Post by: Mario on May 09, 2006, 09:36:38 AM
Top vid at the moment!
HOLY CRAP!
This is a true Mario platformer with Paper Mario graphics!
OUT OF NOWHERE!
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Post by: jasonditz on May 09, 2006, 12:33:53 PM
I wonder though: why did they not even mention something like this in passing at their conference?
If Mario Galaxy turns out to be a launch title, that would mean we're getting 3 major original Mario platformers for three different platforms in the span of about 6 months.
Post by: joshnickerson on May 09, 2006, 01:37:07 PM
And yes, I'm buying both versions of Twilight Princess. Bitches.
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Post by: mantidor on May 09, 2006, 03:38:06 PM
this looks like a platformer from the video, but is there any more details?
Post by: jasonditz on May 09, 2006, 04:02:15 PM
Oh, and besides Mario, you also get to play as Peach and Bowser.
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Post by: wandering on May 09, 2006, 09:12:55 PM
Anyways, looks awesome. Not Super Mario Galaxy awesome (that's on a whole nother level), but awesome nonetheless. I mean, it oozes style. And the platforming in the video looks fantastic.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 10, 2006, 06:44:06 AM
Then stick it into the Wii!
Post by: Ian Sane on May 10, 2006, 07:57:20 AM
The Wii is backwards compatible. Plus who really cares. The Cube is a lost cause anyway so it doesn't really make any difference to us how well the game sells. All that matters is that it looks like an awesome game and I can play it without buying any new hardware.
Kirby Superstar was largely ignored on the SNES but that doesn't make me love it any less.
Post by: Garnee on May 10, 2006, 11:56:20 AM
Ass.
Paper Mario > Final Fantasy
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 10, 2006, 04:04:41 PM
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Post by: Ghisy on May 12, 2006, 04:26:47 AM
I WANT THIS GAME!!!
My eyes went all o_O when I saw the video!
And I'm also buying both versions of Twilight Princess!
Post by: Koopa Troopa on May 12, 2006, 06:21:19 PM
Post by: Dryden on May 12, 2006, 10:43:06 PM
Man - I absolutely LOVE the art direction in the backgrounds. This gives a whole new meaning to 'old school' - I'm putting money down that it will be better than Mario Bros DS. (But only by a little)
Post by: Kenology on May 13, 2006, 06:56:56 AM
Can't wait for this one! I wish it was coming out in the summer though...
Also, I'm waiting for more details as far as the genre is concerned... Some reports say it's a tried and true Mario adventure (platform) game with Paper Mario-style graphics, but I've read too that's it's supposed to be an RPG. Judging from the movie, it looks to be a platformer with RPG elements, which is fine by me. I'd love to get more clarification though.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on May 27, 2006, 07:23:49 PM
You must suffer as we have suffered.
Post by: Khushrenada on May 30, 2006, 07:17:21 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 30, 2006, 07:28:31 PM
MARIO, ZELDA, AND METROID IN THE SAME YEAR IS BAD FOR BUSINESS.
Post by: IceCold on May 30, 2006, 08:03:32 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on May 30, 2006, 10:04:05 PM
Anyways, this game looks absolutely tasty. I want. I want very badly. Switching perspectives combined with glorious 2D Mario platforming? I am so there.
Post by: King of Twitch on May 31, 2006, 01:16:56 AM
[May 07] + [4-6 month delay] = September-Nov 07: actual SMG release date
["Gamecube to last 7-8 years"] - ["blue ocean strategy"] = Gamecube to barely last 4 years
Post by: couchmonkey on May 31, 2006, 06:26:49 AM
Honestly, give it to me whenever it's ready.
Edit: Having said all that, I wish Super Paper Mario was ready to be released sooner than October.
I'm a breathing contradiction.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 31, 2006, 08:03:24 AM
Well Nintendo can make the decision based on when they want me to buy a Wii. If they delay Super Mario Galaxy until next year then I'll just make due with my Cube. It's kind of odd actually that Nintendo has finally got me excited about my Cube again and they've done this JUST as their new console is coming out.
The Wii launch is probably going to sell out anyway and Metroid Prime 3 is easily a strong enough launch title to "last" for a couple of months. Super Mario Galaxy can come out after everyone is bored of Zelda and Metroid. It's not really like Super Mario Sunshine came out at a bad time. It's just that it wasn't as awesome as we expected and unfortunately there was this huge gap of nothing in the months before it.
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Post by: Kenology on June 08, 2006, 06:15:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
OF COURSE Galaxy will get delayed into next year.
MARIO, ZELDA, AND METROID IN THE SAME YEAR IS BAD FOR BUSINESS.
I actually think it's a bad idea to launch Zelda and Metroid on the same day. They're both gonna cut into each other's sales.
They're my two favorite series of all time, and I'ma have to hold back a nut when picking them both up at the same time for a brand new Nintendo system. But still... I think it'd be better if Prime 2 was pushed back 'til December (assuming Wii launches in October as speculated).
Post by: IceCold on June 08, 2006, 06:56:49 PM
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 09, 2006, 07:11:49 AM
I hear this sort of thing all the time. What sort of tool would buy Metroid or Zelda and then NEVER buy the other game because they came out at the same time? Are we only going to pick one and forget the other? Sometimes I would say a simultaneously release would be bad because one game is more minor than the other so people honestly do forget about the more minor game. But I don't think any Nintendo fan would completely neglect a Zelda or Metroid game. They'll buy both, they just might wait a bit. I think Wii early adopters will buy Metroid on day one and Zelda will initially sell more with Cube owners taking a wait-and-see approach.
Post by: Kenology on June 09, 2006, 07:30:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"I actually think it's a bad idea to launch Zelda and Metroid on the same day. They're both gonna cut into each other's sales."
I hear this sort of thing all the time. What sort of tool would buy Metroid or Zelda and then NEVER buy the other game because they came out at the same time? Are we only going to pick one and forget the other?
This concept is pretty much indisputeable, it's pretty obvious that two major releases would cut into one another's sales, which is why it's seldom (if ever) done. Think it over for a minute and I think you'll see what I mean. Also, it's in the best interest of each publisher to sell as many copies as fast as they can. Certainly, Nintendo won't mind taking this little hit because the primary objective is to sell the hardware, but any other time, releasing a Metroid and Zelda on the same day is a HUGE no-no.
Lemme put it to you this way... Zelda:TP or Prime 3 would *DEFINITELY* sell more copies if it were to be released on it's own, without the other being available on launch day. I don't see how you could disagree with that.
Post by: Requiem on June 09, 2006, 07:39:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Kenology
I actually think it's a bad idea to launch Zelda and Metroid on the same day. They're both gonna cut into each other's sales.
They're my two favorite series of all time, and I'ma have to hold back a nut when picking them both up at the same time for a brand new Nintendo system. But still... I think it'd be better if Prime 2 was pushed back 'til December (assuming Wii launches in October as speculated).
You know that scene from Half-Baked, where Dave Chappel is handed that pound of budz?
Yeah -- it's gonna be like that.
But seriously, we have what looks to be the best Mario, the best Zelda, and the best Metriod of all time releasing this fall, with two releasing for a system that also looks to be best Nintendo system in a while.
It's crazy to think about...
Post by: Kenology on June 09, 2006, 08:04:53 AM
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Originally posted by: RequiemYou know that scene from Half-Baked, where Dave Chappel is handed that pound of budz?
Yeah -- it's gonna be like that.
LOLOL!!!!
Yeah, when he 'blew a load'! Hehe!!
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 09, 2006, 09:39:27 AM
Post by: wandering on June 09, 2006, 09:07:41 PM
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This concept is pretty much indisputeable, it's pretty obvious that two major releases would cut into one another's sales, which is why it's seldom (if ever) done. Think it over for a minute and I think you'll see what I mean. Also, it's in the best interest of each publisher to sell as many copies as fast as they can. Certainly, Nintendo won't mind taking this little hit because the primary objective is to sell the hardware, but any other time, releasing a Metroid and Zelda on the same day is a HUGE no-no.
Normally true, I suppose...but in this case, selling them both at launch does more than just sell hardware. Metroid will sell better at launch than it would one year into the life of the system, if Prime is any indication. And Zelda will sell better as a launch title than as a late release for a dead system. At least, that's what I think.
Post by: Kenology on June 10, 2006, 04:37:58 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Normally true, I suppose...but in this case, selling them both at launch does more than just sell hardware. Metroid will sell better at launch than it would one year into the life of the system, if Prime is any indication. And Zelda will sell better as a launch title than as a late release for a dead system. At least, that's what I think.
My point wasn't how well they'll ultimately sell, but that they're sales would cut into each other.
Post by: Kairon on June 10, 2006, 11:16:23 AM
In one fall period: Mario on GCN, Zelda on GCN/Wii, Metroid on Wii, Wario on Wii... the only one really missing from the party is Kirby!
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Post by: IceCold on June 10, 2006, 11:42:26 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on June 10, 2006, 08:50:54 PM
QuoteThis doesn't apply to everyone and I do kinda agree that two major franchises releasing on the same day may hurt individual game sales, but personally...
Originally posted by: KenologyQuote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"I actually think it's a bad idea to launch Zelda and Metroid on the same day. They're both gonna cut into each other's sales."
I hear this sort of thing all the time. What sort of tool would buy Metroid or Zelda and then NEVER buy the other game because they came out at the same time? Are we only going to pick one and forget the other?
This concept is pretty much indisputeable, it's pretty obvious that two major releases would cut into one another's sales, which is why it's seldom (if ever) done. Think it over for a minute and I think you'll see what I mean. Also, it's in the best interest of each publisher to sell as many copies as fast as they can. Certainly, Nintendo won't mind taking this little hit because the primary objective is to sell the hardware, but any other time, releasing a Metroid and Zelda on the same day is a HUGE no-no.
Lemme put it to you this way... Zelda:TP or Prime 3 would *DEFINITELY* sell more copies if it were to be released on it's own, without the other being available on launch day. I don't see how you could disagree with that.
If Metroid, Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy AND Smash Bros were all Wii launch titles, I'D BUY THEM ALL DAY ONE. I bet there are some that feel the same way.
Post by: Kairon on June 10, 2006, 11:40:04 PM
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Post by: TrueNerd on September 01, 2006, 06:32:08 PM
QuoteYou know, the Wii classic controller WOULD be better for this game the GCN controler. It's got a bigger D-pad! However, if it is moved to Wii, it may use the Wiimote in some way. So it could be a good thing... or maybe not.
Originally posted by: Artimus
I wish they would push it back as a Wii title. Just so they can make it MORE PRETTY. Classic controller ftw?
Post by: Ghisy on September 02, 2006, 12:17:03 AM
So with Zelda and this game, I can say farewell to my 'Cube...*sigh*
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2006, 04:09:40 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I dont see how you can make it more pretty, is already a beautiful game, and certainly more polygons aren't going to do anything at all. If it really was moved I can only hope they had a good reason, i.e. not a financial one.
Financial sounds like a good reason to me, video game companies aren't into the charity business. If they were we probaly wouldn't be seeing any games since none would make back the production costs which would happen if they released a game for a dead console like GC. I'm sure though that Super Paper Mario will have some more bells and whistles for Wii, even if the move was mainly for financial.
Post by: stevey on September 02, 2006, 05:41:30 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 02, 2006, 08:30:27 PM
I suspect we have a move-over! But I doubt it has shocking new controls. Though, actually, this is one game that would be hilarious with the bouncing Mario gesture from the old Wii teaser. Boing boing boing boing WHAM. Instead of pressing A when you hit the enemy you actually whack them. Heheheheh.
THIS MUST HAPPEN. Goomba whacking!!!!!
Post by: Mario on September 02, 2006, 08:59:55 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 05, 2006, 05:54:59 AM
But I'm sure it didn't start that way - it would tick off a lot of fans to announce the game for Cube and then move it over. I'd buy it for Wii anyway, and I won't be too surprised if Nintendo moves it or puts it on both systems, but I'm annoyed that Cube is continuing the SNES and N64 tradition of having hardly any games in the final year.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 05, 2006, 07:50:28 AM
Post by: Mario on September 06, 2006, 04:07:07 AM
That cursor thing looks annoying, hopefully it blends into the gameplay and we forget it while we're playing.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 06, 2006, 04:31:52 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 06, 2006, 05:01:59 PM
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Matt responds: Hmm. How should I write this? Have to be vague, you know? Let me just say that yes, Paper Mario will be headed to Wii and not GameCube. Now read between the lines, damn you! Wait. That was a terrible hint! All right, that's it for today. Time to beat Bozon.
Post by: Mario on September 06, 2006, 06:16:50 PM
Nintendo GameCube, we had some great times, you may now be dead but you'll always live on in my heart!
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 06, 2006, 07:42:38 PM
I'M SURE NINTENDO IS HAPPY WITH THAT
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Post by: couchmonkey on September 07, 2006, 05:26:23 AM
Probably a smart move by Nintendo since Wii is the future, but this game shouldn't have been shown for GameCube in that case.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 07, 2006, 07:10:24 AM
F*ck. Nintendo has pretty much turned into Sega when it comes to supporting an unpopular console. I bought a Cube expecting five years of support and I've pretty much only gotten three. You can argue that it makes more sense business-wise and I'll agree with you. But whose fault is it the Cube sold like crap? Nintendo's. But who suffers from that? Us Cube owners. That's what sucks. We've been supportive but we've been blatantly ignored for two years.
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 07, 2006, 07:45:12 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 07, 2006, 07:56:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
But whose fault is it the Cube sold like crap? Nintendo's.
LOL? I don't understand this.
There is no contract saying how long a game system is out for. If you want to blame someone blame Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo would just be releasing the Wiimote as an accessory if those companies weren't moving on.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 07, 2006, 08:15:18 AM
Bullsh!t Nintendo wouldn't be releasing a new console otherwise. Even if the other two companies didn't Nintendo would have because releasing an accessory for a dead console is a waste of time and money. The Cube's shortcomings are Nintendo's fault. Can you name any outside factor beyond their control that doomed the Cube? I can't. It's all based on goof-ups and poor decisions at their end.
"Did I miss something? The game is still coming out. It's still going to be awesome. It's still Super Paper Mario. Not being on the Cube isn't such a bad thing."
Well the problem is I now have to pay a couple hundred bucks for a new console to play this game and they originally told me I didn't. That's just irritating. They gave us something to look forward to and then took it away.
I totally understand that from a business point of view it makes sense but it still SUCKS. I'm so damn sick of Nintendo breaking promises. One thing that has made it difficult for me to get excited about the Wii is that I just don't trust them at all anymore and that's because of stuff like this. On it's own this isn't that big of a deal but with all the broken promises and blatant lies we've had to deal with on the Cube it becomes bigger.
Post by: Artimus on September 07, 2006, 09:02:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"There is no contract saying how long a game system is out for. If you want to blame someone blame Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo would just be releasing the Wiimote as an accessory if those companies weren't moving on."
Bullsh!t Nintendo wouldn't be releasing a new console otherwise. Even if the other two companies didn't Nintendo would have because releasing an accessory for a dead console is a waste of time and money. The Cube's shortcomings are Nintendo's fault. Can you name any outside factor beyond their control that doomed the Cube? I can't. It's all based on goof-ups and poor decisions at their end.
"Did I miss something? The game is still coming out. It's still going to be awesome. It's still Super Paper Mario. Not being on the Cube isn't such a bad thing."
Well the problem is I now have to pay a couple hundred bucks for a new console to play this game and they originally told me I didn't. That's just irritating. They gave us something to look forward to and then took it away.
I totally understand that from a business point of view it makes sense but it still SUCKS. I'm so damn sick of Nintendo breaking promises. One thing that has made it difficult for me to get excited about the Wii is that I just don't trust them at all anymore and that's because of stuff like this. On it's own this isn't that big of a deal but with all the broken promises and blatant lies we've had to deal with on the Cube it becomes bigger.
LOL. You're such an a-you-know-what-hole, Ian. Really. Everything is always about you you you you you you you. Nintendo is a company, they have employees, they have products, they have shareholders. If releasing a game like Super Paper Mario on the Wii means (as it likely does) many more sales, then to do otherwise would be irresponsible. They're not your personal pleasure slaves. The world does not around you.
In summary: you are not entitled to anything. Get over yourself.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 07, 2006, 09:47:38 AM
Post by: BigJim on September 07, 2006, 09:51:28 AM
Ditching Cube owners prematurely doesn't sound like exemplary business for anybody. Impeccable timing how the DS launched around the same time it seems substantive Cube support began to fade. Abandon ship! Ze Cube, she iz sinking!
Post by: vudu on September 07, 2006, 10:01:49 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 07, 2006, 10:06:02 AM
I understand why they're doing it and I support their decision. It doesn't mean I can't be annoyed that such a decision was necessary. Is this the right move? Yes. Should the Cube be such a colossal flop that Nintendo doesn't have faith that the game would sell on the Cube even when the Wii is backwards compatible and thus Wii owners can buy it anyway? No. Plus I think moving the game to the Wii was as obvious of a move last year than it was now. After all Nintendo decided to move Zelda. So why did they show this at E3 as a Cube game or even plan it as a Cube game period? They shouldn't have strung us around like that. It's not like at E3 releasing a new Cube game still made sense and now it doesn't.
They should have just never annouced the game as a Cube title in the first place. They're either jerks for intentionally deceiving us or doofuses for not realizing the obvious financially downside of such a decision. At the time I thought they were just giving us Cube owners something to end the console on a high note with so that we would have a better opinion of Nintendo consoles right before the Wii came out. "Sorry for all that crap you had to deal with. Say... since I'm so nice to you how about you buy my new console?"
Post by: Strell on September 07, 2006, 10:22:43 AM
If the game came out in October, it would get no exposure, 'cuz no one but the hardcore fans are going to care.
So it got moved to Wii, as it will be riding a huge source of hype at that point, which is totally understandable.
And as I said, no one is going to play their GC anymore. No one does now, because we're all playing our DSes anyway.
What would happen is a game dripping with style would sell maybe 100K copies and go down as a horrible mistake in Nintendo's image, damaging their stockholders' confidence, and generally looking like a mistake.
There's no reason to support the GC anymore, and all of you who are whining about it haven't even touched yours in ages.
So just shut up and get the Wii and play it there, like you were going to do anyways, regardless if it were a GC title or a Wii title.
Post by: mantidor on September 07, 2006, 10:24:58 AM
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Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"There is no contract saying how long a game system is out for. If you want to blame someone blame Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo would just be releasing the Wiimote as an accessory if those companies weren't moving on."
Bullsh!t Nintendo wouldn't be releasing a new console otherwise. Even if the other two companies didn't Nintendo would have because releasing an accessory for a dead console is a waste of time and money. The Cube's shortcomings are Nintendo's fault. Can you name any outside factor beyond their control that doomed the Cube? I can't. It's all based on goof-ups and poor decisions at their end.
"Did I miss something? The game is still coming out. It's still going to be awesome. It's still Super Paper Mario. Not being on the Cube isn't such a bad thing."
Well the problem is I now have to pay a couple hundred bucks for a new console to play this game and they originally told me I didn't. That's just irritating. They gave us something to look forward to and then took it away.
I totally understand that from a business point of view it makes sense but it still SUCKS. I'm so damn sick of Nintendo breaking promises. One thing that has made it difficult for me to get excited about the Wii is that I just don't trust them at all anymore and that's because of stuff like this. On it's own this isn't that big of a deal but with all the broken promises and blatant lies we've had to deal with on the Cube it becomes bigger.
LOL. You're such an a-you-know-what-hole, Ian. Really. Everything is always about you you you you you you you. Nintendo is a company, they have employees, they have products, they have shareholders. If releasing a game like Super Paper Mario on the Wii means (as it likely does) many more sales, then to do otherwise would be irresponsible. They're not your personal pleasure slaves. The world does not around you.
In summary: you are not entitled to anything. Get over yourself.
This is the kind of attitude that just shocks me, we are COSTUMERS, we can and should demand every single selfish need from the company we are giving money to and I don't see the problem in that. Is really creepy the level of fanboyism some people have when they put the needs and demands of Nintendo as company above their own needs and demands as gamers and costumers, its just mind-boggling, or do you have stocks in Nintendo or something?
Post by: couchmonkey on September 07, 2006, 10:37:49 AM
I totally get that this is a smart business decision for Nintendo, but I'm tired of Nintendo leaving me with nothing to play in a console's final year. It's happened every generation since the Super Nintendo, and I hate it. Ian has it right: Nintendo shouldn't have announced this as a GameCube title in the first place.
Edit: actually I do own stocks in the company!
Umm, but really, I appreciate Nintendo's decision is good for business, but as a gamer, I have to say that I probably should have bought a PS2 this year.
Post by: Ghisy on September 07, 2006, 10:43:08 AM
Oh well, I'll just have to buy it anyway!
Post by: Strell on September 07, 2006, 11:08:39 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
This is the kind of attitude that just shocks me, we are COSTUMERS, we can and should demand every single selfish need from the company we are giving money to and I don't see the problem in that.
If you want to do that, then do it with your dollars and don't buy SPM. That's the best way.
Complaining on a forum for 6 months about it doesn't accomplish a damn thing.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 07, 2006, 11:30:56 AM
Of course I haven't touched mine in ages. There are no new games to play! There is no reason to support the Cube anymore merely because Nintendo abandoned it over a year ago. This is just circular logic. They can't release games for the Cube becauss no one is playing their Cube anymore and no one is playing their Cube anymore because they aren't releasing games for it.
"If you want to do that, then do it with your dollars and don't buy SPM. That's the best way. Complaining on a forum for 6 months about it doesn't accomplish a damn thing."
That doesn't seem to work too well in practice. Case in point I don't buy crappy third party games but third parties interpretted that as meaning that I don't want their games at all. The truth is I want to buy this game. I would prefer to get it on the Cube but, providing it was a high quality, I would still buy it on the Wii. If I didn't buy it Nintendo would just interpret it as meaning I don't want the game at all. Voting with your dollar isn't specific enough because sometimes you're displeased but not enough that you want nothing to do with the product at all or you are interested in the product but just not as it is. Not that complaining on a forum accomplishes anything either but then NOTHING on this forum really accomplishes anything. It's just discussion for leisure's sake.
Post by: Smoke39 on September 07, 2006, 11:37:52 AM
Post by: mantidor on September 07, 2006, 11:38:55 AM
. But one thing is for sure, if I see they tacked in some remote functionality a la Zelda instead of using it properly Im not going to buy the game and you'll get one more ranting post of me about it. Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 07, 2006, 11:51:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
I don't understand. If the Wii is backwards compatible with the 'cube, then what's the advantage of moving SPM to the Wii instead of keeping it a GC game? The Wii will play it either way. Wouldn't it be better to keep the game compatible with the lowest common denominator?
The only thing I can think of is that what little shelf space still exists for GameCube games will disappear when the Wii arrives, so either nobody would stock it or nobody would display it prominently among the new games.
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2006, 11:52:34 AM
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 07, 2006, 01:30:42 PM
This seems like a problem period. In theory the Wii should attract people who never owned a Gamecube to buy the Cube games they missed out on. But since the Cube doesn't sell those games aren't going to get the shelf space. So perhaps Nintendo should re-package their major Cube games to appear as Wii releases. Like they change the cover so that instead of the Cube banner at the top its a Wii/Cube combo banner and it's promoted like a game for both consoles. In reality it of course just a Cube game with different packaging but it would fit in among the Wii games on the shelf and not come across as an "old" game. There aren't many games at launch anyway so there is shelf space to spare. People would come in to buy a Wii and notice that there are some $20 games in the Wii section and that maybe they want to get one of those as well. Maybe throw in demos with the Cube games too. A Metroid Prime 3 demo included with Metroid Prime 1 or 2 seems logical as well as a Super Mario Galaxy one with Super Mario Sunshine. Naturally the demos are on a seperate Wii disc.
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 01:38:21 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 02:19:52 PM
QuoteAnd also, it can help sell Wii systems, since you would need the console to play it.. Maybe it could use the Wii's extra power too.
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
I don't understand. If the Wii is backwards compatible with the 'cube, then what's the advantage of moving SPM to the Wii instead of keeping it a GC game? The Wii will play it either way. Wouldn't it be better to keep the game compatible with the lowest common denominator?
The only thing I can think of is that what little shelf space still exists for GameCube games will disappear when the Wii arrives, so either nobody would stock it or nobody would display it prominently among the new games.
Post by: Caliban on September 07, 2006, 02:58:18 PM
Post by: Strell on September 07, 2006, 03:19:29 PM
It is a very, very, very simple concept, and I'm astounded a lot of people here can't grasp it.
If something as tiny as this pisses you off this much, then don't f*cking buy it.
On the one hand, people around here chide Nintendo endlessly for the bad decisions made regarding the Gamecube, and full well acknowledge that it can't be saved as a viable platform. That there's a huge tidal wave of hype going for the Wii right now that cannot be stopped.
But then they turn around and whine about this?
You can't have your god damn cake and eat it too. This is the beginning of the push for the Wii, and frankly, moving a game over to it is going to do nothing but increase it's software library. And since we all agree that is what sells a system, they damn well better work their butts off to get things out quickly and that utilize the game well. And while I have NO idea how SPM benefits from being on the Wii, it benefits it much more from a business standpoint than it EVER could for the GC, which we again all aknowledge as being dead.
Again, all you peopl ebitching about this have said nothing in recently about how the GC can be saved, and instead have endlessly whined about how it's dead.
Then let it die. Nintendo hasn't focused on the GC in any worthwhile sense for the last 6 months. They've got bigger fish to fry.
I'll be getting SPM and enjoying the hell out of it when it comes out. I won't be holding a light for my long lost GC lover and pretending I'm not a huge hypocrite about the whole situation.
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
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Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2006, 04:06:37 PM
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Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 04:16:10 PM
It's Super Mario. SUPER. MARIO. Plus Paper.
It might not seem all that big, but it'll sell.
Selling even a fraction of any Mario game is good.
Post by: Artimus on September 07, 2006, 04:28:19 PM
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 04:30:40 PM
'cross-generational multiplatform releases' is my new favorite phrase.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2006, 05:16:24 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 05:48:45 PM
Post by: Mario on September 08, 2006, 04:53:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
Releasing Twilight on Wii at all is stupid. Doing it with this would just be moronic.
Well said
Post by: Caliban on September 08, 2006, 12:48:51 PM
Post by: UncleBob on September 08, 2006, 06:25:37 PM
But I'm one of those crazy people who perfer Mario in 2D anyway...
Post by: Kenology on September 09, 2006, 06:23:48 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Yeah, I have to agree with Bill and Jon; Mario 64 DS sold like crazy during the launch of the DS, and it was just a port. This is a 2D Mario platformer, and people will lap it up. Especially Japan, who seem to prefer Mario in that dimension..
True words spoken...
Don't for get you guys that Super Mario Bros. was rereleased on Gameboy (can't remember if it was GBC or GBA) and it wen't on to sell another 1 million units. That's just incredible...
Personally, I think releasing SPM on Wii is a much better idea. It'll certainly sell some more units, which is definitely a good enough reason to release it on Wii instead.
Post by: MarioAllStar on September 09, 2006, 07:30:10 AM
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Originally posted by: KenologyDon't for get you guys that Super Mario Bros. was rereleased on Gameboy (can't remember if it was GBC or GBA) and it wen't on to sell another 1 million units. That's just incredible...
That was Super Mario Bros. Deluxe for GBC. Actually, the reason I bought a GameBoy Color in the first place was seeing one of my classmates playing that game (I was in 4th grade at the time).
Post by: Svevan on September 13, 2006, 10:15:34 PM
http://www.wii.com/jp
*sigh*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 13, 2006, 10:18:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
Sad but true - this has been moved to Wii and delayed.
http://www.wii.com/jp
*sigh*
In a way I'm glad they delayed it, that will give them more time to do some cool things with the Wimote without rushing it.
Post by: IceCold on September 13, 2006, 10:21:43 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 13, 2006, 10:24:02 PM
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Yeah, but then it will launch awfully close to Mario Galaxy, unless that is delayed until well into next year..
That is true, but maybe Nintendo will spread them out a couple months apart (probaly releasing Super Paper Mario first) that should be more than enough time to get the majority of sales out of SPM.
Post by: stevey on September 30, 2006, 12:50:15 PM
Nintendo is still saying it's a gamecube game
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Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,
You’ll be glad to hear that Super Paper Mario will still be a Nintendo GameCube game. However, the release date has changed. It is now listed as 4th Quarter (October, November, or December) 2006. As always (and you may have already read this)....
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Post by: Pale on September 30, 2006, 02:42:56 PM
I still think I'm going to believe Nintendo Japan's web site over a random Nintendo rep responding to an email.
here...
Post by: Artimus on September 30, 2006, 03:00:10 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 30, 2006, 06:07:40 PM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 30, 2006, 08:15:43 PM
Sorry. It's true. . . and I think I'm glad for it. In any case, Intelligent Systems is just about flawless so, I've got no real worries.
Post by: Svevan on September 30, 2006, 08:36:28 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 30, 2006, 11:56:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
I'm praying against all reason that some crazed retarded Nintendo rep let spill via a customer service e-mail that Super Paper Mario is, in fact, a surprise GameCube game. I AM PRAYING FOR IT. Pray with me.
I'm going to pray aganst your prayer hehe
. I want to see it moved to Wii so we can see what quirky things Nintendo can do with the Wiimote for the game! If it is given enough development time Super Paper Mario cuold be yet another example of why the Wii is such a great experience.
Post by: zakkiel on October 01, 2006, 07:50:14 AM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 01, 2006, 09:00:02 AM
To be honest, I am not that excited for the game but moving it to the Wii will benefit the game and the console.
Post by: MaryJane on February 17, 2007, 02:49:50 AM
Well I was cruisin Cnet for more laptop informatin and I came across this preview for Super Paper Mario:
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Originally posted by: Cnet
I spent the most time on Super Paper Mario, sequel to the excellent GameCube RPG Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, and it's even weirder than its predecessor. Unlike the straight role-playing in previous Paper Mario games, Super Paper Mario is a puzzle-filled platform game with some loose RPG elements. The titular 2D plumber gets the power to move about in the third dimension, adding fantastic puzzle elements to otherwise flat landscapes. Impassible walls and dead ends can be overcome by switching to 3D mode and revealing that the wall is only paper thin, or that the dead end is actually the start of a bridge. The level of the game that I played was filled with clever 3D puzzles that included hidden pipes, invisible blocks, moving platforms, and plenty of imposing-yet-flat enemies. Of course, you can't spend all your time in 3D; after a while in 3D mode, Mario starts to lose health and must return to flatness. Fortunately, even 2D mode is full of enemies to stomp, puzzles to solve, and characters to interact with. What little I played of Super Paper Mario got me pretty pumped for the rest of the game when it hits in April.
I didn't pay much attention to too much news about this game so I would be surprised when I played it, like I tried to do with Zelda, but that didn't work out to well.
This game just sounds better and better each time I read about it (which has been like 3 times, but still...). I can't wait to have it my hands.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 17, 2007, 02:57:12 AM
Post by: Artimus on February 17, 2007, 06:07:34 AM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=19449
Post by: MaryJane on February 17, 2007, 07:24:05 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 12, 2007, 10:15:09 AM
Sorry to bump up such an old thread but I finally played the game and wanted to put my two cents in.
I liked the game, but to be honest it wasn't THAT fantastic. I personally disagree when people say "The reason some fans are glorifying some Wii games is because they are hungry and starved for games", but I can't help but agree with the sentiment when discussing Super Paper Mario.
First, the story was cute, charming and had plenty of excellent humor. But it isn't enough to keep me playing. Its true that you don't play Mario games for the story, but considering there is a lot of it in this game I thought they would've made it more interesting, specially near the end.
Second, the stages themselves are rather bland and kinda boring. There are some winners, but overall I wasn't truly enjoying playing through these stages. Some of them were downright annoying, though. When will developers learn the difference between challenging your players and annoying them? That space level irritated the crap out of me...
I honestly don't understand why they didn't make it so that all characters could switch to 3D. Even if it just takes seconds you will be changing characters and Pixls a lot and it can get it grating.
Some of the features, special power ups, items and attacks were kinda cute but gimmicky.
Overall, I give the game an 8. I recommend trying it out since it is a good game. I just don't see this as the very special game many made it out to be. Hell, I had a lot more fun playing Wii Play!
Post by: vudu on June 12, 2007, 10:34:03 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 12, 2007, 11:12:39 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
BUMP!
Sorry to bump up such an old thread but I finally played the game and wanted to put my two cents in.
I liked the game, but to be honest it wasn't THAT fantastic. I personally disagree when people say "The reason some fans are glorifying some Wii games is because they are hungry and starved for games", but I can't help but agree with the sentiment when discussing Super Paper Mario.
First, the story was cute, charming and had plenty of excellent humor. But it isn't enough to keep me playing. Its true that you don't play Mario games for the story, but considering there is a lot of it in this game I thought they would've made it more interesting, specially near the end.
Second, the stages themselves are rather bland and kinda boring. There are some winners, but overall I wasn't truly enjoying playing through these stages. Some of them were downright annoying, though. When will developers learn the difference between challenging your players and annoying them? That space level irritated the crap out of me...
I honestly don't understand why they didn't make it so that all characters could switch to 3D. Even if it just takes seconds you will be changing characters and Pixls a lot and it can get it grating.
Some of the features, special power ups, items and attacks were kinda cute but gimmicky.
Overall, I give the game an 8. I recommend trying it out since it is a good game. I just don't see this as the very special game many made it out to be. Hell, I had a lot more fun playing Wii Play!
The game had flaws but it still was a great game, though you are probably rating it unfairly because of the unrealistic pedestal you put your hopes on. It is funny that you use SPM as an example of games people like because they are starved yet defend games like Red Steel or SR which are exactly that (Especially Red Steel).
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 12, 2007, 03:21:14 PM
Yes, I wanted to play SPM because it looked like a cute, innovative a fun game but didn't exactly have very high hopes for it. I expected a good game and that I got. I just wasn't as captivated as some of the fans were. In fact, I was enjoying the first chapters of the game a lot (the otaku bash along with the dating sim scene was priceless). It wasn't till the middle and end of the game where the charm wore off and I wasn't enjoying myself that much. Again, the game was good but in MY eyes it wasn't an amazing masterpiece or something I will cherish greatly.
As for RS and SR, I played Secret Rings and I am really enjoying it so far (I took a break from it to play SPM, though). RS will have to return home in order to try it out.
Post by: Ceric on June 12, 2007, 03:31:31 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on June 13, 2007, 08:36:01 AM
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I'm speechless. There's no speech.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 13, 2007, 10:17:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
SPM was a GOOD game. Much better then New Super Mario Bros though. The game had a slight identity crisis, a pension for making you back track, a bad habit of breaking flow, slow, and in general a little boring. What saves the game is its wealth of variety in enemy and stages, good dialog, Mr. L, and well actually the characters themselves. Though as a game it just didn't make for a cohesive whole. I'm near the end though so we'll see if it can redeem itself above good.
Yeah, this sums up my feelings of the game perfectly. It was a good game but has some issues that keep it from being absolutely fantastic.
And yes, I prefer Wii Play over SPM. Let the end of the world commence...
Post by: TrueNerd on June 13, 2007, 05:18:22 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 13, 2007, 07:04:30 PM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
How? I could see an argument for Wii Sports, but Wii Play? I played that game for 30 minutes and I'm pretty sure I'll never touch it again. What did you find compelling about it?
First of all, you don't question or try to figure out a person's preferences. Yes, I am well aware that Wii Play is an infamous game among fans, but that didn't stop ME from enjoying it. One day I just brought it to SB's house and played it while he was working and I enjoyed it quite a lot. In fact, it surprised me how much I was enjoying it.
Second, I love simple, arcade type games like Wii Play. Its the type of game I like to play waking up in the morning or before I go to bed. Its even more addictive if I decide to get the highest score possible.
In short, I just DO. Get over it.
Post by: Adrock on June 13, 2007, 07:38:34 PM
Super Paper Mario didn't impress me much. I rented it and was just bored. I'll probably rent it again. I just need to build up the desire to do so.
Post by: Ages on June 13, 2007, 09:07:28 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 14, 2007, 05:00:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Ages
I have to agree with the general sentiment here. SPM is a good game, not necessarily a great one. Backtracking is definetely bugging me, and I cannot stand looking for those stupid Pure Heart Statues or whatever the heck they're called. I guess if anything, I purchased the game expecting something other than what I got. I was hoping the game was more Super Mario with Paper Mario elements, when in reality it was more Paper Mario with Super Mario elements.
Why would you expect a game called Paper Mario to be SUper Mario with Paper Mario elements?
Post by: TrueNerd on June 14, 2007, 07:52:54 AM
And Pap, I meant no hostility in my question. I was just curious.
Post by: Ages on June 14, 2007, 08:01:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Ages
I have to agree with the general sentiment here. SPM is a good game, not necessarily a great one. Backtracking is definetely bugging me, and I cannot stand looking for those stupid Pure Heart Statues or whatever the heck they're called. I guess if anything, I purchased the game expecting something other than what I got. I was hoping the game was more Super Mario with Paper Mario elements, when in reality it was more Paper Mario with Super Mario elements.
Why would you expect a game called Paper Mario to be SUper Mario with Paper Mario elements?
Well it is called SUPER Paper Mario. Plus, since the turn based battles were removed, it seemed like the game was going more Super Mario than Paper Mario. I thought it would've been a bit more linear than it is. At first it seemed like it was since the first couple of levels were straight left to right ala Super Mario.
Post by: Svevan on June 14, 2007, 10:09:27 AM
Even though this thread came first, I'm closing it down and asking you to move to the other one. For now. And forever.
Ooh, moderator gets the last word: the title of Super Paper Mario shouldn't be what determines how "Super" or "Paper" it is. Commence discussion here.
