Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 04:05:26 AM
Cheater!
Post by: stevey on August 30, 2007, 04:10:00 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 04:17:19 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 04:26:49 AM
So, it seems a townie was killed by day vote, an aversion to a three way tie lead to TVman dying. Having a standard Townie role, his death isn't too much of a loss for the townie side, but still, it hurts a little. The day went back and forth, with nothing outstanding happening in the open, at least. Pale has claimed early that he is a standard Townie as well. Whether or not he speaks the truth, time will tell.
Night 1 commentary:
Thus far, three things happened.
-I died from seal sandwich poisoning
-Bill was the intended target of my first kill
-The night's mafia either didn't make a hit or they poison people to kill.
All players listed below are in order as their votes appeared in the day 1 thread.*
Player's Votes For Day 1
Patchkid15: Dasmos
ShyGuy: Thatguy
Pale: ShyGuy
Vudu: Khushrenada
Dasmos: Thatguy
Sessha: TVman
Sir_Stabbalot: Whoever thatguy voted for, in effect, TVman
Mashiro: Pale
thatguy: TVman
TVman: Pale
All players listed below are in order as they appear in the Mafia Player/Role/Dead thread.*
Non-voting players
Zach
Khushrenada
Athrun Zala
S-U-P-E-R
Bill Aurion
Spak-Spang
Ceric
NuclearSpeed
darkheart
wandering
UERD
*This is what I'll try to do every day, don't assume I've listed people in any sort of preference.
Post by: stevey on August 30, 2007, 04:33:53 AM
Post by: 18 Days on August 30, 2007, 04:36:47 AM
Which reminds me: fun fact; in my mafia I totally cooked all the roles. I hand picked every single one of you. Some of the roles were even made with people in mind.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 30, 2007, 05:08:12 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 30, 2007, 05:23:12 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 05:24:11 AM
Post by: vudu on August 30, 2007, 07:02:12 AM
QuoteSame question. You probably made me a townie, because you're a jerk.
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
What role was I in your mafia again 18 days?
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 07:05:02 AM
Post by: nickmitch on August 30, 2007, 09:21:14 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 09:22:48 AM
Post by: nickmitch on August 30, 2007, 09:25:44 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 09:33:00 AM
Post by: Zach on August 30, 2007, 10:52:35 AM
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Originally posted by: 18 Days
Why even lie. Stevey is running the Mafia varient where the narrator just MAKES STUFF UP. None of you have any roles or powers at all.
Which reminds me: fun fact; in my mafia I totally cooked all the roles. I hand picked every single one of you. Some of the roles were even made with people in mind.
I only did that with one person, 18 days. That was hilarious, stevey was p*ssed
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 11:45:03 AM
Post by: Zach on August 30, 2007, 12:02:22 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 12:08:10 PM
Post by: stevey on August 30, 2007, 12:43:17 PM
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Originally posted by: ZachQuote
Originally posted by: 18 Days
Why even lie. Stevey is running the Mafia varient where the narrator just MAKES STUFF UP. None of you have any roles or powers at all.
Which reminds me: fun fact; in my mafia I totally cooked all the roles. I hand picked every single one of you. Some of the roles were even made with people in mind.
I only did that with one person, 18 days. That was hilarious, stevey was p*ssed
Bah, All my role were random......................................................................................I sooooooo wanted to make khush the village idiot
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 30, 2007, 01:40:16 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Yeah, that was it. Sounds fun.
Some people took it too seriously and got angry at me...
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 02:47:33 PM
You never know...
Edit: Hey TVman! I made you a present!
2x Edit: And one for Bill, too!
3x Edit: And a present for Pale, as well.
4x Edit: I was bored, so I made Kairon one, too.
Post by: nickmitch on August 30, 2007, 05:25:52 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2007, 05:27:31 PM
This post is a place holder for the day 2 information and commentary.
Post by: vudu on September 05, 2007, 10:51:47 AM
HAHA, my evil plan worked. I'm not Captain Falcon at all! I am ... TINGLE!!
Tingle-Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!
Post by: Darkheart on September 05, 2007, 11:01:05 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 05, 2007, 11:10:38 AM
Post by: Zach on September 05, 2007, 05:32:24 PM
edit: See you in hell Jan Alexi, I guess we'll both be going there you mafia whore!
Post by: that Baby guy on September 05, 2007, 05:36:38 PM
Anyone else want a stylish Deadvatar?
Remember these are only until the end of the game, then it's Vudu time.
Post by: Zach on September 05, 2007, 05:38:03 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on September 05, 2007, 05:40:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Zach
ooh, I got an idea, a zombie avator for tvman!
I'm not that skilled, but I can make Stan green or something. Edit: Ooo, or I could make him green, then write UN in front of all the deads. I think I might do that.
And...
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Originally posted by: vudu
thatguy's doing a very poor job of keeping this thread updated.
HAHA, my evil plan worked. I'm not Captain Falcon at all! I am ... TINGLE!!
Tingle-Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!
Bah, it occurred to me that it would be better for players to look up the info themselves, because vote changes, times, and what is said is all important, too. No sense in doing all of that work, anyways.
And, BTW, have you noticed that we're mafia enemies? We're almost always on opposing sides here. This time you killed me (lucky for stabby, he vowed not to kill me until the end, so it worked out that his hit didn't count. Otherwise, I'd have to retaliate somehow.
Ok, bedtime.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 05, 2007, 11:33:01 PM
And I swear, Gannondorf, you utter one more word and I'll blow that empty head of yours clear off your shoulders.
EDIT: Apparently, when I said "Take one vote from me" Stevey didn't know I meant to take a vote from one of the people voting for me. Why would I want to kill myself? Thanks for the feedback, Stevey.
Post by: Zach on September 06, 2007, 03:36:03 AM
QuoteOh yeah like that means a whole lot! your side already killed me, and my side already killed you!
Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
And I swear, Gannondorf, you utter one more word and I'll blow that empty head of yours clear off your shoulders.
Edit: I wonder if the mafia knew I was important, or if they just got a lucky guess?
Post by: that Baby guy on September 06, 2007, 03:48:02 AM
Then we have Ganondead:
And we finish with a lifeless, limbless Samus:
Vudu already has one in another thread, and he doesn't deserve one for killing me, anyways. And yes, I know, Stabby was planning on killing me too. Can't you people tell when a killer is trying to appeal to the mafia by leaking them information about the "townie alliance?" I guess neither of you could. And gee, it would have helped you all out to have twice as many people dying a night. Of course, to be fair, I had figured out Bill and Stabby, but that's why I was trying to include them in my groups, and also why I went after Bill. Oh well. Too bad...
Post by: vudu on September 06, 2007, 06:50:21 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 06, 2007, 08:32:48 AM
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Originally posted by: ZachQuoteOh yeah like that means a whole lot! your side already killed me, and my side already killed you!
Originally posted by: Sir_Stabbalot
And I swear, Gannondorf, you utter one more word and I'll blow that empty head of yours clear off your shoulders.
Grr... Good point. Not having limbs puts me in a precarious situation.
I'm not sure which avatar to use. I had made a dead avatar (Here) from my failed attempt at making a model for Jan, but ThatGuy's fits the theme much better...
Post by: Zach on September 06, 2007, 11:05:22 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on September 06, 2007, 11:13:51 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 06, 2007, 11:44:52 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on September 06, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 08, 2007, 02:32:40 PM
Anyway, I've been doing some fiddling with Jan. Mostly I've done very little, mostly just trying to get a base for the texture and fixing some of those smoothing errors. Look at the lack of progress.. However, I noticed a .exe in the Source SDK I hadn't noticed before: qc_eyes.exe. Which handles all the eye coding. All I need to do is fix the rest of the face flexes and it might be up and running. Oh, and get a texture with actual details.
Post by: that Baby guy on September 09, 2007, 06:19:37 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 09, 2007, 10:07:45 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
I'm not dead, I'm TINGLE!! Tingle-Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!
Right when you least expect it, EVIL
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 10, 2007, 08:45:05 AM
1) Stevey did not answer my PM's. He accepted them and counted my actions, but did not answer my questions. Hence why I used my power on myself. I thought it took a vote away from the votes AGAINST that person, but I didn't get any feedback or answers, such as what happens if the Mafia doc dies. Now, he was just recovering from getting sick, so that may be an excuse. He can't very well help it if he's ill. But it's much better when the host is available to answer questions and deal with situations that arise.
2) When a doctor or investigator dies, they reveal who they protected. This makes the Doctor for the Mafia a liability, not an asset. Really, why?
3) Too many townie roles. Really, this is more dangerous to the Mafia then the Vigilante, Investigator and Doctor combined. WIth not enough normal townies, it becomes almost impossible to hide. Though, what ThatGuy pointed out I should have done is claim to be some useless townie role, as we didn't know what roles were in play. But still, there weren't enough Townies. And some of the Townie roles are ridiculous. A Vigilante that has two extra chances? A Bomber that doesn't want to die?
Post by: vudu on September 10, 2007, 09:04:23 AM
I understand that everyone wants to add new roles in order to mix the game up and make it there own, but the host needs to make sure that the teams are balanced.
Post by: stevey on September 10, 2007, 12:33:02 PM
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I just saw your message about writing you. So, I will use this opportunity to state why I am not happy. Since the beginning of the game, you have encouraged people to vote for me. That's fine, we have this supposed tiff between one another. But then you posted the thing about my role and showed pictures of Kirby basically giving away my role.
well, I type up the town whore #3 role update before you where picked for it using Kirby (I fell out of my chair laughing when I pull out you name for town whore) and I was going to use it for day 1 but decided not to use it till later, and by the time I posted it the mafia already knew your role from bill so there was nothing to really give away.
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Fortunately, Vudu gave himself away and just happened to be the godfather. So, fine I was able to live by blocking him. But then, you soon changed the ability of my role. Again, I can understand why. If the mafia can't kill at night, then the mafia is screwed. So, fine, I dealt with that. Then when I vote out the godfather, I'm told he's not the godfather anymore. That role can change. Since when? There was never any mention of that. No one had any idea. If the godfather can change his role with another mafia player, than why was I limited to being only able to block a player 3 times in the game? If I'm blocking the godfather, he can change to someone else and kill me. I shouldn't have a limit than. So, now I have to deal with the fact that the godfather role can change at anytime and my role is limited. Fine......cut.........
I limited your role since it was the fairest way, if I just let the mafia switch godfather your dead, and I change it to being unlimited but can rape the same person twice in a row then instant death for you again. And I could do nothing since vudu had a point about your role being over powered that gave you 2 day to kill vudu and find the new godfather, still kind of bad for you but the mafia investigated you already and was out to get you since day3 so be happy you were able to live this much.
And about the mafia switch..... well, vudu said something came up and he couldn't be the godfather anymore so I had to switch them. I was going to post a fyi about to let the townie/you know but vudu insisted not to. It didn't really matter since you already use your 3 vudu blocks, actually if anything it let you have a chance at figuring out the new godfather & blocking his hit and gave you the advantage.
To Stabby
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1) Stevey did not answer my PM's. He accepted them and counted my actions, but did not answer my questions. Hence why I used my power on myself. I thought it took a vote away from the votes AGAINST that person, but I didn't get any feedback or answers, such as what happens if the Mafia doc dies. Now, he was just recovering from getting sick, so that may be an excuse. He can't very well help it if he's ill. But it's much better when the host is available to answer questions and deal with situations that arise.
2) When a doctor or investigator dies, they reveal who they protected. This makes the Doctor for the Mafia a liability, not an asset. Really, why?
3) Too many townie roles. Really, this is more dangerous to the Mafia then the Vigilante, Investigator and Doctor combined. WIth not enough normal townies, it becomes almost impossible to hide. Though, what ThatGuy pointed out I should have done is claim to be some useless townie role, as we didn't know what roles were in play. But still, there weren't enough Townies. And some of the Townie roles are ridiculous. A Vigilante that has two extra chances? A Bomber that doesn't want to die?
1)You were voted 6-2 and I just assumed you were trying to hide any possible info leak
2)Not really, the doctor could've have protect a townie every day to hint at them being the godfather.
3) well the game not over yet so don't call it quits yet.....
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 10, 2007, 12:37:32 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
1)You were voted 6-2 and I just assumed you were trying to hide any possible info leak
Oh, well that's understandable.
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2)Not really, the doctor could've have protect a townie every day to hint at them being the godfather.
True, but then it's not much of a doctor, and it's more of a distraction.
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3) well the game not over yet so don't call it quits yet.....
Never surrender!
Post by: Khushrenada on September 10, 2007, 01:32:42 PM
But there's another issue. And that is the lack of knowledge about people's roles. Stabby had questions about his role, Zach just found out he could bring himslef back, I thought the godfather role could switch on a whim by the players and so I adjusted my strategy and played according to that. No one knew it was a one time thing and with Vudu being killed, you could have said it was a one time thing. So, I'm playing under the assumption the mafia has some other power. People didn't understand how you were counting the actions (or the rule you used to determine them) thatguy and I both found out when it was too late and we were dead. Even the current godfather didn't know how you counted actions. I know you made this mafia game to reveal roles while the game was playing or so I assume, (I really don't know for sure) but there comes a point when the lack of information provided just becomes rediculous and hampers the game. What was even worse was the fact that we had like 3 new players and a couple others who had only played one game before. These people need help. They are still learning the game. Then with this lack of info, they lose interest in it.
Vudu's right. I was lucky with my blocks against him. I'll admit it. The sad thing is, I was looking for the mafia so that I could sell my power to them. I knew I would be a threat to the mafia and they would want to kill me so in exchange for my life, I would use my power to their benefit. If that had happened, the game might not have been so overpowered against the mafia. But then again, I look at this game funny. I don't always view it as black and white. I have this role so I must play with these people and shun these people. I'm always willing to take a chance and play things differently even if it seems illogical. Still, Vudu gave himself away regardless of what he says. The fact that he was the godfather was the only lucky thing about it.
Post by: Khushrenada on September 10, 2007, 01:33:20 PM
I have a solution for our mafia woes. I'm hosting the next game. It's going to be a fast turn around. About a week and a half after the last day of this game, I want to be starting my day one. After this farce and even the fast last two, we need a good host to set up and run a good fair balanced game. We need to bring respectability back before people stop playing because the game's start leaving people with bad feelings.
I know I spoke with thatguy about hosting a game together but this is not that game. I know he probably still wants to do that but I think it best if we save that for the 20th edition of mafia. For the next game, mafia 19, I'm going to host that one by myself and I'm going to really skim this thing down to basics. Only roles that work. Nothing new. This one will be decided by the players not lucky roles. The theme has been chosen, the story ready to go. This will be a game designed to get people enthusaistic about mafia games again. A game where everyone has a chance and no one should feel safe. A game where you will have to be on your toes the whole time. There will even be a story this time for each day. Remember stories? All roles will be known. People will know and understand the rules. Yes, much like Casino Royale regained respect for the Bond franchise, Mafia 19 will gain regain respect for the franchise after Mafia 18.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 10, 2007, 01:36:38 PM
Post by: Khushrenada on September 10, 2007, 01:38:56 PM
Post by: vudu on September 10, 2007, 01:48:45 PM
Post by: stevey on September 10, 2007, 01:55:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Khushrenada
But there's another issue. And that is the lack of knowledge about people's roles. Stabby had questions about his role, Zach just found out he could bring himslef back, I thought the godfather role could switch on a whim by the players and so I adjusted my strategy and played according to that. No one knew it was a one time thing and with Vudu being killed, you could have said it was a one time thing. So, I'm playing under the assumption the mafia has some other power. People didn't understand how you were counting the actions (or the rule you used to determine them) thatguy and I both found out when it was too late and we were dead. Even the current godfather didn't know how you counted actions. I know you made this mafia game to reveal roles while the game was playing or so I assume, (I really don't know for sure) but there comes a point when the lack of information provided just becomes rediculous and hampers the game. What was even worse was the fact that we had like 3 new players and a couple others who had only played one game before. These people need help. They are still learning the game. Then with this lack of info, they lose interest in it.
After the last 2 mafia everyone was getting a little too good at mafia so for this game I trying to make it a Mafia game on hard mode! were you want to win you have to try not be lazy and quiet, keep up with everything, think about why stuff happen with clues, who behead who, what kind of roles are there, ect. The problem is thatguy died on day 1 and really screwed up everything I was going for and broke yours and few other roles....
Oh well, lesson learned
Post by: vudu on September 10, 2007, 02:07:53 PM
Post by: Zach on September 10, 2007, 02:14:37 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 10, 2007, 02:16:46 PM
Post by: vudu on September 10, 2007, 02:28:53 PM
QuoteGood luck enforcing any of the rules. Anywhere. I trust most of the regulars to play the correct way.
Originally posted by: Zach
good luck enforcing it!
Post by: that Baby guy on September 10, 2007, 04:01:17 PM
Then there's the time factor. This is a ridiculous way to handle actions. Having a killing role also gives you Khush's ability, innately, so long as you give your command first. Then, of course, since most actions are night actions (The only day action I know of is Stabby's role's action), but they don't happen at night, there are dead players voting, talking, playing, and role-mongering. Since I was killed during the day, I shouldn't have been able to vote, and TVman wouldn't have died. However, since night actions take place during the day since the time we send them in during the day is a factor, then I was dead at this point, and my vote shouldn't have counted. After all, if my PM of my murder didn't get counted, anything after that point that I did shouldn't have been counted.
Of course, then there's the fact that we didn't know that actions were time-dependent, nor if all actions were time dependent. Khush's action is a block. However, his block doesn't work if he doesn't send it in before the person he blocks sends in their action.
Question: What would have happened if Bill, as Mafia Investigator, had sent in an investigation of Zach at 3:00PM ET, and Khush had blocked Bill at 5:00PM ET? Would the block go through? Would Bill have learned that Zach was the Gravedigger? If Khush's block would have worked, then you created a terrible inaccurate way of handling night actions, as we all know that today you said that night actions happen in precisely the order you receive them. And then, of course, there's the fact that people live all over the world and that they play at different times. This method gives a sharp advantage to anyone who is awake right when the new day begins. For some people, that's midday. For some, midnight. For others, it might be the afternoon. People who work, have school, or sleep really lose out with this idea, no matter how hypocritical you make it. Who cares if you say "Get your night actions in early!" We all think that means you want to write a story and start the next day right after the preceding one, not that you hold it against us for sending in our actions three or more hours beforehand.
Then, of course, we all know now that there's only one mafia, that you allowed them to merge. Did you plan on telling us this publicly? I know at the beginning, at least, the strategies for dealing with two mafias are far different from dealing with one. Stabby brought it up in one of the Mafia threads, but only as an attempt to gain some cover. Also, as said before, the mafia can rename the Godfather, and still make a hit that night. That's adding an extra action, and it doesn't make sense to limit Khush's role partway through with this mafia ability.
Then of course, Zach didn't know he could bring himself back to life. And to add to all of this, the players who are living best are the ones who haven't posted a thing in the mafia threads. S-U-P-E-R hasn't had a vote yet, I think. Neither has Ceric. Mashiro got bored and wanted to quit partway through, UERD didn't play and finally died at the end of it. Face it, you wanted to host a mafia that the players would have had to seriously play in order to do well, you should have put in a rule that killed all people who didn't play after a certain amount of time. You should have taken out players who stated they didn't want to play anymore, and Ty should have died, too. You didn't do this. Then, you said you'd do a few game updates along the way. You started out Day 1 without revealing any roles. The same went for Day 2. Finally, on Day 3, you revealed the gravedigger and the Town Whore #3. You never brought any attention to the merged mafias, at least, until players from the mafia had died and Stabby had pointed it out. It's not a question of making a mafia difficult. It's a question of you cheating the players by not defining the rules, by not doing what you stated you would do initially, and by not playing a clean game on your part. That's my problem with this game. You didn't hold up your end of the bargain.
Post by: Khushrenada on September 10, 2007, 04:27:10 PM
A time based system is one of the worst systems you can have. People on these forums all live in different parts of the world and so time varies for everyone. Not to mention other factors like work. Second, just because you say send me your action early, doesn't mean everyone realizes that you go by a time system. I've never known another host to do that. I just assumed it's because you wanted all the actions in by the close of the day so you could post the next day right away. And you still can't deny the fact that you have been changing up the roles and rules in this game. I pointed out a couple. There was the amalgamation of the mafias as another example. It's just seemed like stuff is getting made up on the spot.
Had I known that these orders were dependant on time, I would have made sure to send in every order at the start of each day. But like I said, I assumed you just wanted them in so you could have the night actions done and start the next day fast.
That's another problem. Not only did you change roles, you never told people all the info they needed to use their roles. I didn't know about this time rule until just now. You don't think that might have been helpful for some people? That's why people aren't happy with your game. You didn't give out the info people needed to even play it. And the info you did give out, you changed some of it.
In fact, I've was talking with the current godfather and he didn't realize that the actions were dependent on a time system also. Nobody knew this. One of the most crucial aspects of the game and nobody knew this. It's easy to say this game was set on hard but there's a difference between making a game hard or just using that as cover to hide the faults of the game.
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After the last 2 mafia everyone was getting a little too good at mafia so for this game I trying to make it a Mafia game on hard mode! were you want to win you have to try not be lazy and quiet, keep up with everything, think about why stuff happen with clues, who behead who, what kind of roles are there, ect
This is the ironic thing alright. The last two games were won because some people stepped up and played hard by not being lazy or quiet, keeping up with events, deducing who is who by roles left and the way people have played and this resulted in stunning victories. This game, I laid low and kept to myself and just used my ability. The result? I lived longer than when my role was revealed and I became the townie leader. Now I am dead and the hard work that I did will go on to be rewarded to the those who did the exact opposite of what you wanted. If I'm mafia, who am I going to kill? Someone not participating and not voting or someone who is active everyday? Hmmm. Which would be the bigger threat?
And that's another problem. You wanted the game to be extra hard by not giving out roles but for all we know, S-U-P-E-R and UERD could have some sort of role since you won't kill them off. You added all these other rules, why not a rule about killing off those not participating? Then when I finally think the game is set and I can get rid of these non-players, I find out a new rule about my role, the time the action has to be sent, and I get screwed over for it. There's no justice. That's what I don't like.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 11, 2007, 12:23:38 PM
I fixed it! I got angry at the qc_eyes thing and just hacked the medic female_02's head on her. Eyes work, and she actually can talk in-game. Lip-synching's pretty good, but I need to work on the smile flex. And get a decent texture. But it's done!
Might be ready by the time Khush's mafia starts.
Post by: Khushrenada on September 11, 2007, 04:28:08 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on September 11, 2007, 04:29:25 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 12, 2007, 08:57:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Khushrenada
Well, I'm not sure if it will fit with my theme. As it is, I expect to announce my mafia game this friday. Like I said, a quick turn around. So, for all you mafia fanatics, get ready for the sign-up thread this Friday evening.
Oh... Is that a "won't fit" as-in wrong universe, or "won't fit" as in entirely wrong species?
Ah, well, I've come this far, I'm not giving up now! I might be able to use her later.
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Now she looks like a dude.
It's gotta be the angle of the shot, as there is no difference between the meshes. Though, as I look at it more, she seems to be missing several flexes. Such as the eyelids. As an NPC, that keeps it from looking natural. So that's gonna need some work.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 12, 2007, 09:30:12 AM
I am not one that is upset with your game. I think you brought alot of positive and great ideas to the game...some just needed to be balanced.
1)I loved your idea of keeping roles hidden, and as such hope that will become the standard. With one exception...roles are revealed once someone actually uses their power for the first time. Not the person who has it...but that the role exists. So a Bomber will always be hidden until BOOM. Or a Mafia recruiter would always be hidden until he has recruited someone then you know not only there is a recruiter but now you can't trust one of the townies.
2)Several roles that we haven't seen too often were quite cool. 1)Brother/Sister role was very cool, and I liked the concept of basically being a powerless Townie with alittle information. 2)Khush's Whore role was fun, but should be balanced not to work against the Godfather...since the Godfather would appear to be a townie anyway. Then it would not be a big deal if he got unlimited use...but still every other day would be good.
3)Reveals after death. This is a pretty fun idea, but needs to be limited. Once an investigator died on either side it is pretty cool to know who they investigated and potentially what they may have known or passed on. It is also cool to know who the Mafia Godfather hit or tried to hit (if there is a doctor) once he is dead. But the Mafia Doctor role became too much a liability...and even trying to use that information to frame Nuclear Speed didn't work too well. However, I do think that Revealing who the Townie Doctor was protecting is legit information to be revealed. Basically, any information that may give information about Mafia strategy without revealing exactly who Mafia members are is ok. The same with Townie information...and since knowing who the Townie Doctor protected doesn't positively ID a townie as the Investigator or vigilante or anyone it is ok. And the Mafia already knew that person wasn't Mafia.
4)Not really a game breaker but short stories and to the point days. I like being able to read a story, but it needs to be fast...one or two sentences, perhaps something funny and move to the next day. Perhaps the stories this game could have been longer but the principle was nice.
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5)I also loved the Jesus role for taking place of the Doctor. I personally am not a fan of the Doctor role, and when I read the Jesus role I thought it was really silly and out of place. But the idea that someone can sacrifice themself for a player is intriguing. I would put in the rules that the sacrificer wins the game if they side he sacrifices his life for wins...so that: 1) He is encouraged to sacrifice himself and still win the game with a 50/50 shot. 2) The role could be used to support either side, with nobody really knowing what side he chose or why.
