Topic: Revolution to Launch with Mario

[Ceric]

Hello everyone this is my first post and I've been trying to join for a while.  To date me I was here when the controller was revealed and before.  I personally think that a Traditional Mario game is Terribly unsuitted for this style of controller.  If you ever played the game where you shoot the little guy to make him go through a platformer.  It could be that bad.  Lets face it Platforming itself in the bounce on head style is best done with traditional controls.  What needs to launch is there new IP.

This IP will be something that really takes advantage of the new controller in such a way that no one can imagine it playing anyother way.  A conversation should end up like this:

Bob:  Yeah it controls like Bomb'em Blastem 3049
Snoop:  Yeah Bembem is the shizzam
Bob: Word...

Sort of like when you tell someone it plays like Mario.  The character should be instantly recognized with the Genre and it should be one of those pure joy moments to use the controls.  Unfortunately Mario is already typed and as I said I don't see flicking the controller being anymore control then analog buttons.  So it's up to the new IP.  The last thing we need at launch is Mario stuck in a new click game, I know the Mario Sports titles are fun and so is Mario Party but no one consider them true hardcore Mario games.  

So as I say it's new IP to the bat.

Also I think it be neat if the tutorial thing unlocks your free "random downloads."  In actuallity it probably be best that 1 was already on the disk and  walked you through the process offline and then the other you get when you connect and fully set things up to go online.  Because face it I just got my Wireless router and I'm a geek.  So what do you think that thy mere mortals will have from the get go? -Ceric

[Spak-Spang]

Yeah I was just talking about having 10 games embedded and 2 of them are unlocked when you boot up the system.  Then perhaps 2-3 more unlocked when you register the system.  You don't have to make them the top 10 AAA games.  Just popular fun games.  Like:

NES:
Mario 2 (US)
Duck Hunt
Baseball
Legend of Zelda 2
(Some Racer)

SNES
Kirby
Stunt Racer FX
Pilot Wings
(Something else)

The idea is to give some great games, but aren't the ones everyone wants to download.

[Ceric]

Only if they fix the bug in Legend Of Zelda 2 would I like to see that one. The rest I can see.  Plus maybe throw in the chance to get 1 or 2 N64 ones like Blast Corp and Quest 64.  Both had a lot of potential but didn't quiet make it, but those would be in loo of one of your SNES or NES ones.  Sort of like getting a legendary rare card.

[Kairon]

I still say that it will be the NES Mario/Duckhunt packed in/preloaded or offered as a free download, period. Possibly with an additional demo disc.

Its the simplest solution.
It demonstrates the controllers pointing functions well.
It demonstrates the controller's retro functions well.
And Mario on the NES would be the most recognizable and universal Retro recognition I could think of.

Old school gamers would like it.
New school gamers would be exposed to classic gaming.
And nonschoolgamers would play DuckHunt, basically the quintessential nongamer game: skeet-shooting? hunting? Yeah.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[couchmonkey]

And I still say Nintendo will most likely include nothing.  There's a reason nobody has bundled a game with a system at launch since the Super NES/Genesis era.  I'd like a bundled game, but a demo is the most I'd hope for.

[Hawkeye_a]

Great discussion going on here.

I think bundling in Mario1128 with the NRS, says to customers "we're not like the other guys, we care about your gaming experience. they sell hardware, we sell games". Thats  a very important perspective, from a consumer standpoint. Also, this is Mario we are talking about.... i dont thinnk there's a Nintendo fan who doesnt like Mario, and as  far as new gamers his face will be instantly recognizable.

We can babble on and on about business practice and how nintendo can make more mone(if that even matters at this point). But Nintendo's stated goal is expanded market share through expanding the market. Can they appeal to "everyone" by bundling in Mario128 ? I beleive so. Should they bundle in Mario128 ? Yes. especially seeing as the competition will have a few months head start.

The question about bundling Mario128 shouldnt be about market share and profit , etc. It's about appealing to the targeted audience. And i think more non-gamers would be inclined to pick up a NRS with mario128 bundled than picking up a box with just hardware(and possibly a demo).

Having Mario128 bundled will also persuade people to connect the NRS with their fond memories from the NES and SNES days, which is a very powerful connection to gamers and older gamers. the message "This is the same Nintendo that brought you the NES, Gameboy and SNES".

Cheers

[Gamebasher]

"Having Mario128 bundled will also persuade people to connect the NRS with their fond memories from the NES and SNES days, which is a very powerful connection to gamers and older gamers. the message "This is the same Nintendo that brought you the NES, Gameboy and SNES"."

Brilliant idea! That is exactly how Nintendo should kick-start their re-ascension to the top spot in videogaming!!

Still, I really do think that Iwata is going to have to kick Miyamoto´s behind good in order for the long awaited Mario platformer to come out with the NRS. I have long tired of hearing Miyamoto doing experiments with Mario gameplay. But I do think that Iwata will have a bone to pick with Miyamoto if he doesn´t get his ass in gear, and deliver that Mario 128 game at the launch of the NRS. It is vital for the success of any new Nintendo console, to have a Mario platformer launching with it from day one, and Miyamoto has had time long enough for his "experiments"!!!!

[Requiem]

Well Miyamoto's job is alot harder than you think.

They have alot riding on this next Mario, but can YOU think of any good ways to use the NRC other than replace jump with *Flick upwards*?

Ya, I didn't think so.....Let the man do his thing. It'll come out when it comes out.

[stevey]

I know Miyamoto will have mario128 at launch, or he delay the launch of the system to have it at launch. I think mario 128 souldn't be bundled, M128 and SSBO will have great sale at start because non-gamer know of them, but MP3 really need to be bundled to give it a bost to get the non hard core into metroid.

[nickmitch]

MP3 should be bundled when it's released, but I think that it should come out a year after launch and substitute a price drop.

[kirby_killer_dedede]

Things like that and price drops signal distress to me.

[Gamebasher]

Requiem, I KNOW that Miyamoto´s job is hard. I really do. Thet must get it right, for the gamers to be happy, live up to the high expectations, which is NOT easy.

But I also know that I would very much like to very soon see a great Mario platformer which is second to none since Mario 64 with Mario Sunshine dissapointing me, and many others a lot, since I am running out of must-have titles on the GCN, and there is still some time to go before we´ll see the Revolution launching worldwide. Hell, I know how hard it is overall for Nintendo to get all of the things ready for the worldwide release of their generation-next console, but I am just a gamer, a consumer, and therefore my perception doesn´t have to go any further than to the level where I after years upon years naturally begin to wonder about the whereabouts of a long-awaited, half-promised, and rumoured-to-death follow-up Mario title which I would looove to get my itchy hands on right now.

Still, no word from Nintendo about it leaving us in the dark prolonged, except that Iwata is putting pressure on Miyamoto to get a Mario game out for NRS launch. I know many other Nintendo gamers around the world feel the same way, so I hope Nintendo is understanding the seriousness of the situation if there is no Mario platformer at launch. I mean, there was many many people who was talking here on the internet about how the Luigi game, which came instead of a Mario game, at the launch of the GCN ruined the sales of same, and gave it a slower than expected start. That is why I feel it is crucial that a Mario platformer is launching with the Revolution, since Mario is the gaming icon which most people in the world know well, and therefore will respond to positively in terms of initial reaction if they see it launching on the Nintendo generation next console.

If Mario launches with SMBM, Metroid Prime 3 and a good selection of third party titles, we might be seeing the sales of the NRS skyrocket, which will be good for the brand new control approach seen in it. It is definitely important that the games with which one has to control in such a radical new manner are superb, famous, outstanding and just plain great in terms of game play. No better promotion of the new hardware than that!!!

I know nothing about the NRC controls, though.