That is heavy AF. How can the this show keep topping itself. This the best TV show for at least the last decade.
I love the Orville right from the pilot when people were dismissing/crying it over the jokes/Seth/Trek. I cannot describe how blown my mind is. This is a new feeling. **** everything else, inject Orville directly into my brain.
It's not abbreviated STD any more than Enterprise is abbreviated STE or Voyager is abbreviated STV, oohhboy just likes to **** on the series.It is the abbreviation it has earned and was entirely foreseeable. Funny you don't say what the "Official" designation is.
Save yourself a lot of P A I N by not watching it. STD is a master class in failure. The only entertainment I derive from STD is the suffering of others watching it. It's Last Jedi level terrible bad. So bad you can't hate watch it or riff on it. Don't be a victim.It's not abbreviated STD any more than Enterprise is abbreviated STE or Voyager is abbreviated STV, oohhboy just likes to **** on the series.It is the abbreviation it has earned and was entirely foreseeable. Funny you don't say what the "Official" designation is.
I have to ask, why are you a fan of STD? It can't be Star Trek as it couldn't be further from it. Is it for continuity or story or lack thereof? Are you there for pew pew? Are you watching it for representation? Are you there for the magic fantasy skinned with pseudo technology? Are you there just because of the brand? Do you like it ironically?
I seriously don't get it. It is easily one of the worse shows I have seen this decade. So bad it has killed Star Trek, not disavowed like Enterprise was, killed.
Save yourself a lot of P A I N by not watching it. STD is a master class in failure. The only entertainment I derive from STD is the suffering of others watching it. It's Last Jedi level terrible bad. So bad you can't hate watch it or riff on it. Don't be a victim.It's not abbreviated STD any more than Enterprise is abbreviated STE or Voyager is abbreviated STV, oohhboy just likes to **** on the series.It is the abbreviation it has earned and was entirely foreseeable. Funny you don't say what the "Official" designation is.
I don't know about official, but the abbreviation that's come to be used among Star Trek fans is "DSC". And I'd definitely recommend ThePerm give it a shot if you already have CBS All Access. It's a divisive show, as oohhboy's hatred and my being a big fan indicates, but you should definitely see for yourself whether you'll like it since you're already paying for it. Season 2 is a step up from the first, but as a heavily serialized show you pretty much have to start from the beginnning.
If I were to guess without watching it: STD offers a new Star Trek, but without much continuity with the previous Star Trek 50 year continuity. You're just watching a new Space Federation show. They could have called it new Space Patrol.
Star Trek always offered an introspective weirdness that made you think about how the world works. Like how would you respond to this odd situation? This situation that could very well be an inevitable future situation? How do we start responding to it now?
That was something Voyager was mostly missing. The weirdest episode I remember from that is when they encountered Dinosaur Aliens from Earth who escaped Earth during the great extinction.
The Orville seems to offer an amazing What If? situation every week.
Yeah they go Moclans a bit much. That said the sex lagoon and 5 0 0 Cigarettes is pure gold. Kyden needs to diaf. I am 100% sure the show is intentionally making him a hated character like DS9 with Kia Winn, that fucking bitch.
Maybe John is channelling La Forge too much. John's character is pretty subtle, he is a guy who has been hiding his strength all his life, acting the fool outside of his work. In a ship full of weird people someone like him is going to fade out exactly like what his character would want to do. A lot of his character comes out when giving poorly contextualised dating advice which gave us comedy gold.
The John episodes haven't been kind to him. He is a passenger in Majority Rules. New Dimensions he is more of a sub-plot even though he is earning his leadership role which he had to be pushed into. I am sure they will give him proper episodes. Mallory got 2 very excellent ones this season.
The Orville CD arrived almost 2 weeks earlier than the given ETA from Amazon not that I am complaining, seems like excessive time padding or there is a lot of variance in delivery times here.
The Kaylon aren't that monolithic. They clearly have individuality but in a very tight organization, emotion muted buried deep. Once their government(Full direct democracy?) has decided on an action it has 99.9999999999% support.
They wouldn't ask for compliance via emotional threats from Isaac if it was a true hive mind where they are completely interchangeable and could be arbitrary modified, deletable. His evolution and adaptation couldn't be possible if he was nothing but an interface. Nor would they save a copy of Isaac for the Crew to contact. Insisting he somehow is an "Incompatible program" like a mule flies into the face of everything shown.
If I suddenly changed colour, gender or became uncaring am I suddenly not human? If I gained a much greater intelligence beyond you comprehension I am a better human than you? He had a change of view, a new understanding of he world. Character growth doesn't mean he stops being a Kylon or is a better Kylon. He is still a Kylon but he doesn't want to murder everyone, he isn't super racist anymore, he has is own variant of love, he is sentimental.
The "Face" of a Kylon is for our benefit as is Isaac's blue colour.
They will expand the show, but they aren't just going to drop something new massive threat out of nowhere like the Borg or whatever. We have at least two species of aliens on the wings for post Kylon of which we have only glimpsed one. They will always hint it first before they appear.
You're missing on how the show is written thinking I see it as a fully serialised show when it's not. It's a different form of long form story telling, a hybrid. It can be watched individually but the arcs both for characters and plot are interspersed no matter how stand alone an episode might be on the surface. You asked what would come next, that's why I said to look for those little hints, repeated moments, objects.
If you were asking for more, you would be asking me to extrapolate something from nothing, read tea leafs or think I am Seth.Maybe you should take a crack at creative writing before you start calling people hacks and try to shut them down. You're obviously into Star Trek type fiction. What if you were the writer? If you were to land a crew of paramilitary explorers onto a planet, what would you do with them? Where would they go? Who would they meet? What would they learn?
The season finale and Identity was amazing because didn't come out of nowhere, it was teased throughout both seasons and many episodes had setup Kelly for it. Her talk with Gordon in lasting impressions was a massive part of that. It's why the Orville is so good, it weaves small threads into a tapestry. It is consistent with itself, organic in it's story, characters interacts as you would expect if they were real people nor arbitrary skilled at everything nor flawless or have a fig leaf "flaw".
Hopefully, in the future they'll introduce some new species.
There should be a new villain. There hasn't been anything like the Borg. If I were to do the Borg in Orville I would make it an organic villain. Something like The Thing or the Body Snatchers.
They need to introduce some new friendly species as well. I love how Moclans were a sociological marvel. I think when creating a species that should form the basis of their creation. It isn't so much the species that are different, as it is their culture.
Maybe you should take a crack at creative writing before you start calling people hacks and try to shut them down. You're obviously into Star Trek type fiction. What if you were the writer? If you were to land a crew of paramilitary explorers onto a planet, what would you do with them? Where would they go? Who would they meet? What would they learn?
"This leads to why the seeding idea is so bad."
"The season finale and Identity was amazing because didn't come out of nowhere, it was teased throughout both seasons and many episodes had setup Kelly for it. Her talk with Gordon in lasting impressions was a massive part of that. It's why the Orville is so good, it weaves small threads into a tapestry. It is consistent with itself, organic in it's story, characters interacts as you would expect if they were real people nor arbitrary skilled at everything nor flawless or have a fig leaf "flaw"."
Setup IS seeding. You denounce one semantic idea and exalt another. They're the same thing. You want to setup a bunch of trees in your back yard? You plant seeds. You let them grow and then you have trees in your back yard.
"Why would you need to create a new species to represent an cultural aspect of an existing in universe alien?"
Allegory. You hit on issues in culture through allegory. They're not real. You could even explore topics in a more thorough manner through an alien avatar. It allows you to explore the extremes of an idea. People have limitations. Why did Stan Lee and Marvel create mutants? Why doesn't he just create a comic book about race relations? Why does Aesop's fables use animals? Why did the Bele have a problem with the Lokai? These are things that get explored in sci-fi shows through fictional species. Ironically, using aliens is a less alienating way to explore a subject than using people.
Well, I've finished The Orville Season 2, and honestly it was pretty damn mediocre overall. The first half was mostly garbage, and the 2nd half was mostly great. The 1st half had next to no actual science fiction in leiu of boring, pointless "relationship" episodes, and the 2nd half was almost completely science fiction. Overall, it was a pretty mixed bag.
Even the stuff that the 2nd half of the season did well came with some caveats. For instance, the Krill were rather dull as villains, so seeing them get pushed aside for the Kaylons & even the Moclans at times was definitely an upgrade. However, since the Kaylons have had next to no build-up whatsoever, it felt like The Orville was trying to do the Dominion War by jumping from Season 2 of DS9 to Season 6 in the space of 2 episodes. Saying that it felt rushed would be an understatement, and the emotion was unearned. The new Chief of Security is just the old Chief of Security with a Find & Replace function used on her name. She has no personality of her own.
I actually quite liked the holodeck episode, if only because it reminded me of assorted Barclay & LaForge episodes of TNG with how the characters built a relationship and dependency with a simulation. And the show went out on a nice note with the time travel 2 parter.
Seth McFarland needs to decide what he wants the Orville to be, and then flesh that out. Outside of the main 2, the entire cast feel like they're peripheral characters with no time to actually shine. The tone is all over the place, fluctuating from frathouse Seth McFarland comedy to classic Star Trek. The show still feels like it's throwing ideas and characters at the wall to see what sticks, rather than expanding upon what was already there. I could tolerate that when the show was just getting its footing, but we're 2 seasons in now and it still doesn't feel like they have a lock on what they're doing yet.