NWR Interactive => NWR Feedback => Topic started by: Oblivion on July 08, 2013, 12:12:51 AM
Title: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: Oblivion on July 08, 2013, 12:12:51 AM
So I don't get that mess from the pokemon thread again.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 08, 2013, 12:31:43 AM
Blame SUPER, this happened (I assume) because of what happened when he edited one of his threads he started when he was a mod, then others jokingly joined in (and all got bans that ranged in length).
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: pokepal148 on July 08, 2013, 01:00:21 AM
I assume the announcements thread has had post modification taken away...
but I believe it was Tlon who messed up talkback...
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: UncleBob on July 08, 2013, 01:54:02 AM
Don't ask me - I still have all my editing options. :D
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: Oblivion on July 11, 2013, 02:41:49 AM
Give us the ability to modify our posts. It can't be that hard to put a five minute timer on the post or something.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: stevey on July 13, 2013, 07:30:12 PM
The ****? Give us back the ability to edit all our posts or rename the site to Nintendo Misspelled Retort
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on July 13, 2013, 08:35:42 PM
I have to agree. As someone who sucks at writing and, therefore, likes to fine-tune the grammar of a post after the fact, not having the option to amend them is a real bummer.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 13, 2013, 10:39:09 PM
Please direct any and all complaints about the inability to edit posts to S-U-P-E-R and Tlon.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: pokepal148 on July 14, 2013, 12:25:19 AM
so we all suffer because of two idiots and their childish pranks...
SUPER should not have had control of that thread... it should have been transferred to unclebob or someone the moment he was relieved of his duties...
and if what I'm hearing about tlon and his actions is correct then that just points to a problem with your thread merging system....(understandable, those things happen)
but the first one is absolutely pure incompetence... and we should not be made to suffer for it...
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: Oblivion on July 14, 2013, 02:04:01 AM
It can't be that hard to put a five minute timer on the post or something.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: MegaByte on July 14, 2013, 03:17:54 AM
It can't be that hard to wait a minute and consider what you wrote before you post.
Title: ok... lets try to find some middleground on the whole editing posts thing
Post by: pokepal148 on July 14, 2013, 01:36:53 PM
“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” ― Benjamin Franklin
Before we begin i would like to make two statements,
firstly that i do not want any form of disrespect from either side. i ask that the moderators do not prematurely close this thread and that regular posters do not try to badmouth the moderators. diplomacy is a delicate situation
and second, that the goal of this thread is to brainstorm solutions to this problem that will meet the approval of both sides. this is a form of diplomacy.
the mods do not want a repeat of the Tlon/SUPER mess
And we don't want to lose our ability to edit posts.
i propose a certain comprimise in this area...
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this gane looks very interesting
if a user merely wishes to fix a typo then this could be handled by a system which tracks how much the post can be edited. the previous post has 28 characters, i wish to edit one of them because while i was typing my finger slipped on to the wrong key. if a user wishes to make a small edit like that they should not encounter any problems.
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this game looks very interesting
however perhaps a user wishes to expand on a post of theirs... for example
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this game looks very interesting. i am not quite sure if i will pick it up yet but if everything shapes up well it will be a day one purchase
this could be handled by a system in which after a certain threshold has been reached of how much a post has been changed it would be placed under the scrutiny of moderators, using a system similar to the warning level system already seen on the site in the forum rules.
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At level 1(default) a post that is edited to a certain threshold(such as a character limit or precentage of a post that has been edited) will be placed on a watched list. This means that every post they make will be under the scrutiny of all moderators.
At Level 2 any post that has been edited by a user must be approved by a moderator before it becomes visible on the site. Any user who has misused their ability to edit posts or has been placed on a 25 precent warning level will be automatically placed here.
At level 3 a user will be unable to edit posts altogether. this user has been deemed unable to be trusted with the responsibility of editing a post in any way whatsoever.
now theoretically a user could modify a post multiple times one character at a time in order to allow them to change the post to something less pleasant to the conversation. i could edit my post 11 times(one character each) in order to get this:
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this FREE SUPER game looks very interesting
this could be handled by limiting the number of times a post can be edited.
so what do you guys think, is this feasible on the moderation side, is this acceptable to other posters? please leave any comments you have
@megabyte, in response to your closing post in the last thread, yes it is
1. there is no way to know how the forums react to a statement until you have made it.
2. tell that to the several talkback threads where one of the first posts is somebody pointing out a typo in the article. as a fellow journalist,(yes i am in the School Newspaper and I am a better writer then I am a poster) and especially with your job as an editor you must realize that sometimes people make mistakes and that they don't see them until they are pointed out to them. sometimes a person may after posting something think "oh i should have elaborated on this point or said more about that"
With that in mind I wish to enter a open and RESPECTFUL dialogue.
Title: Re: ok... lets try to find some middleground on the whole editing posts thing
Post by: UncleBob on July 14, 2013, 02:54:17 PM
Just real fast, and to make the clarification again - Mods aren't Admins.
Second, keep in mind, the forum software used isn't something custom built for the site and maintained by experts in forum coding - it's an "all-in-one" software that's just install and go. What you're asking for is some pretty major changes in the forum software itself, and thus, would never work. (*edit* "Never" is probably pretty harsh. I know this type of forum software can usually be modded, but I don't know if what you're suggesting can be done, nor do I know if any of the IT guys on the site have the ability to do it... just that it's not as simple as flipping a switch).
If I understand the changes correctly, Talkback is the only forum that lost the ability to edit posts, right?
Title: Re: ok... lets try to find some middleground on the whole editing posts thing
Post by: Oblivion on July 14, 2013, 03:08:35 PM
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If I understand the changes correctly, Talkback is the only forum that lost the ability to edit posts, right?
I think so.
But here's my question: why do the change at all? SUPER and Tlon obviously learned their lesson and crossed the line just a little bit. But what are the chances that this will happen again?
Title: Re: ok... lets try to find some middleground on the whole editing posts thing
Post by: Shaymin on July 14, 2013, 03:24:27 PM
Podcast Discussion as well. Basically, any forum that also appears on site articles.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: MegaByte on July 14, 2013, 05:37:15 PM
I know the solution is not ideal, but this is not up for discussion. The modifications requested would take time -- time that is best served elsewhere right now. Unless you know of or create a mod for the forum software (it's open source, so you can do it), it's a lower priority. Talkback replies show up on the main website, so it's important that replies there are carefully considered -- the only reason they still show up in the regular forums is that we never finished integrating the reply editor. (And to specifically answer pokepal -- there is no good reason to edit a post in response to replies-- that's what further replies are for. If there is something that truly needs to be edited, the mods can do it.) I will leave the thread open for now, but you'll be wasting your breath -- and if you guys continue to circumvent closed threads, we'll actually start enforcing the rules and hand out bans.
There is an alternative option: The software will let us switch on a maximum edit time (so we could set it to 5 or 10 minutes, which should generally account for typos), but that setting will apply to all forums. Is that a reasonable trade-off? I think so, but it will mess up a few threads where the first post is edited continually, so I'll just put it out there as an option.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on July 14, 2013, 06:09:10 PM
I like video games!
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: Oblivion on July 14, 2013, 06:42:31 PM
The software will let us switch on a maximum edit time (so we could set it to 5 or 10 minutes, which should generally account for typos)
This is what I was talking about accused me of not thinking before I posted. Honestly, I feel like that would be a great idea. If something on the first page needed to be edited, I'm sure an admin or mod could easily do that.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2013, 06:47:17 PM
or you could alternatively not post in the talkback thread, or just re-read your post before submitting. if you feel the need to edit something post-post, just quote it, make the corrections and !!double-post!! non-problems solved.
no need to spill this issue into the rest of the forums where I'm sure some of us were completely unaware of this "problem" until it was being cried about.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: nickmitch on July 14, 2013, 11:37:26 PM
I just wanna be on record as being against a forum-wide timer on post editing.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: UncleBob on July 15, 2013, 04:43:38 AM
I, too, vote against the forum-wide timer option - for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: nickmitch on July 15, 2013, 08:59:42 PM
Should we make a poll thread? No one is asking for it. Let's just stay the course.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: pokepal148 on July 15, 2013, 11:19:34 PM
*don't say I didn't try*
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: pokepal148 on April 03, 2014, 03:17:19 AM
I can't stand this anymore, something has to be done about this. Seriously I was hoping to be able to adapt somehow to the new system (or lack thereof) but it just isn't happening. This entire thing is just a complete mess.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: UncleBob on April 03, 2014, 07:57:46 AM
lern 2 post, then you won't need to edit so badly.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: pokepal148 on April 03, 2014, 11:10:21 AM
Oops, just saw you knew that already. Can't modify posts here for some reason.
Quote from: broodwars again
Bah...I hate this inability to edit posts...I meant to say "with DCK:TF now releasing in Feb. 2014..." And as I said, I've never expected Smash Bros. before Fall 2014.
Somehow I have the feeling I'm not the only one having this problem,
lern 2 post, then you won't need to edit so badly.
that's rich coming from the guy who is happy to brag he can still edit his posts.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2014, 11:26:03 AM
I just simply limit my posting in talkback. and if I make an error... of fucking well.
decipher it. skip it. whatever, I'll probably not be back to that thread to read the response anyway. But that really doesn't solve the problem for everyone else....
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: Khushrenada on April 03, 2014, 12:38:25 PM
That's why there is a Talkback 2. If you mess up your post in the first Talkback, you have the chance to re-do it and make it right in Talkback 2. The system works!!
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: Mop it up on April 03, 2014, 07:41:09 PM
I've started using the post preview button to proofread my posts and to find out if there's any wonky coding that will mess things up. It seems to result in a lot less errors.
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: pokepal148 on April 07, 2014, 01:53:02 AM
In the mafia forum I believe you can delete posts you made so maybe you can let us basically hit copy all and fix what was made then delete the original.
But rereading some of MB responses the 10 minute editing limit option being an all or nothing deal is just ridiculous, there has to be some way to get an update or something.
But if we're gonna be searching the smf mods thing then I would like to get this straight, what we're looking for is basically an expanded permissions system on editing that works with the current software (SMF V. 2.0.5 with some database software called postgres) correct?
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: pokepal148 on May 16, 2014, 11:19:07 PM
There is an alternative option: The software will let us switch on a maximum edit time (so we could set it to 5 or 10 minutes, which should generally account for typos), but that setting will apply to all forums. Is that a reasonable trade-off? I think so, but it will mess up a few threads where the first post is edited continually, so I'll just put it out there as an option.
Alright one quick question, in the mafia thread there's a 'delete post' button. If the software would allow you to make a universal setting to a time limit for post editing would it allow you to do the same for deletion?
If it will then would there be anything with a post being deleted that could mess up a talkback thread when viewed on the main site?
And if there isn't then is there anything else preventing you from basically applying your 'alternative solution' to post deletion that i'm not seeing?
Title: Re: Let me edit my damn posts
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2014, 02:16:49 PM
Not really related to the OP of this thread, but I didn't want to start a new one just incase it was just me....
I created a new thread, and I tried to modify it after posting because of "automatic forum inserted code" that I needed to correct. But when I hit the button to remove the coded format, the entire post was blank. I closed Chrome and opened it again thinking that might be the problem, but it was still blank once I tried to do the same thing.
I ended up having to copy the post before clicking the "remove formatting" button, and then paste and edit from there. Just a weird error I thought I would share.
