Topic: Downloadable Game List (Unconfirmed)

[SgtShiversBen]

IF this is true, then this is the link that has the downloadable games that will be available for the Revolution.
Game List

NES
1. 10-Yard Fight
2. Anticipation
3. Balloon Fight
4. Barker Bill's Trick Shooting
5. Baseball
6. Clu Clu Land
7. Dance Aerobics (may require dance pad, I halfway wanted to put this in questioned)
8. Devil World
9. Doki Doki Panic
10. Donkey Kong
11. Donkey Kong 3
12. Donkey Kong Classics
13. Donkey Kong Jr.
14. Donkey Kong Jr. Math
15. Dr. Mario
16. Dragon Warrior
17. Duck Hunt
18. Excitebike
19. Famicom Wars
20. Final Fantasy
21. Fire Emblem Gaiden
22. Fire Emblem: Ankokuryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi
23. Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino and Hoppy
24. Golf
25. Gum Shoe
26. Gyromite
27. Hogan's Alley
28. Ice Climber
29. Ice Hockey
30. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (Taito)
31. Kid Icarus
32. Kirby's Adventure
33. Kung Fu
34. Mach Rider
35. Mario Bros.
36. Mario Time Machine
37. Mario is Missing!
38. Mario:Fun with Letters
39. Mario:Fun with Numbers
40. Metroid
41. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
42. Mother (Earthbound)
43. NES Open Golf
44. Nintendo World Cup
45. Nuts & Milk
46. Pin-Bot
47. Pinball
48. Play Action Football
49. Popeye
50. Pro Wrestling
51. Punch-Out!!
52. R.C. Pro-Am
53. Rad Racer
54. Rad Racer 2
55. Short Order/Eggsplode
56. Slalom
57. Snake Rattle & Roll
58. Soccer
59. Stack Up
60. Star Tropics
61. Super Mario Bros.
62. Super Mario Bros. 2
63. Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels
64. Super Mario Bros. 3
65. Super Spike V'Ball/World Cup Soccer
66. Super Team Games
67. Tennis
68. Tetris
69. Tetris 2
70. The Legend of Zelda
71. To The Earth
72. Track meet
73. Urban Champion
74. Volleyball
75. Wario's Woods
76. Wild Gunman
77. World Class Track Meet
78. World Cup Soccer
79. Wrecking Crew
80. Yoshi (Mario & Yoshi)
81. Yoshi's Cookie
82. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
83. Zoda's Revenge: Star Tropics II


Super NES

84. Derby Stallion 98 (NP)
85. Donkey Kong Country
86. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest
87. Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble
88. EarthBound
89. F-Zero
90. FX Fighter
91. Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo
92. Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu
93. Fire Emblem: Thracia 776
94. Hyper V-Ball
95. Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball
96. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Winning Run
97. Killer Instinct
98. Kirby Super Star
99. Kirby's Avalanche
100. Kirby's Dream Course
101. Kirby's Dream Land 3
102. Kirby's Ghost Trap
103. Legend (some say the movie inspired Zelda but the timing is off, sorry im a history buff)
104. Mario Paint
105. Mario and Wario
106. Mario's Early Years: Preschool Fun
107. Mario's Super Picross
108. Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge
109. NCAA Basketball
110. NHL Stanley Cup
111. Panel de Pon
112. Picross NP Vol. 8
113. PilotWings
114. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
115. Sound Fantasy
116. Star Fox
117. Stunt Race FX
118. Super Famicom Wars
119. Super Mario Kart
120. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
121. Super Mario World
122. Super Metroid
123. Super Punch-Out!!
124. Super Scope 6
125. Super Soccer
126. Super Soccer 2
127. Super Tennis
128. Tetris & Dr. Mario
129. Tetris Attack
130. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
131. Tinstar
132. Uniracers (Unirally, the game sucked bad you raced unicycles with no rider)
133. Winter Gold (FX Skiing)
134. World League Baseball
135. Yoshi's Island: Super Mario World 2
136. Yoshi's Safari

Nintendo 64
137. 1080° Snowboarding (a personal fave)
138. Animal Forest (Animal Crossing for you Americans)
139. Banjo-Kazooie
140. Banjo-Tooie
141. Blast Corps
142. Bomberman 64
143. Bomberman Hero
144. Buggie Boogie
145. Cabbage
146. Catroots
147. Climber
148. Command & Conquer
149. Creator
150. Cruis'n USA
151. Cruis'n World
152. Cu-On-Pa
153. Custom Robo
154. Custom Robo V2
155. DD Sequencer
156. Dezaemon DD
157. Diddy Kong Racing (w00t)
158. Donkey Kong 64
159. Doubutsu Banchou
160. Dr. Mario 64
161. Echo-Delta
162. Emperor of the Jungle
163. Excitebike 64
164. F-Zero X
165. Gendai Dai-Senryaku: Ultimate War
166. GoldenEye 007
167. Hey You, Pikachu!
168. Jack and the Beanstalk
169. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Slugfest
170. Killer Instinct Gold
171. Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
172. Kirby's Air Ride
173. Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside
174. Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr
175. Mario Golf
176. Mario Kart 64
177. Mario Party
178. Mario Party 2
179. Mario Party 3
180. Mario Tennis 64
181. Mickey's Speedway USA
182. Mini Racers
183. Mischief Makers
184. Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer 2
185. NBA Courtside 2: Featuring Kobe Bryant
186. Paper Mario
187. Perfect Dark
188. Pilotwings 64
189. Pokemon Puzzle League
190. Pokemon Snap
191. Pokemon Stadium
192. Pokemon Stadium 2
193. Pokemon Stadium: Gold, Silver, Crystal Version
194. Ridge Racer 64
195. Riqa
196. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
197. Sin and Punishment: Successor to the Earth
198. Star Fox 64
199. Star Wars Episode I: Racer
200. Star Wars: Battle for Naboo
201. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
202. StarCraft 64
203. Super Mario 64
204. Super Smash Bros.
205. Tetrisphere
206. The Legend of Zelda DD (Ura Zelda) (Master Quest in America)
207. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
208. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
209. The New Tetris
210. Waialae Country Club: True Golf Classics
211. Wall Street DD
212. Wave Race 64
213. Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey
214. Yoshi's Story

Satteleview games
215. BS F-Zero 2 Grand Prix
216. BS Special Tee Shot
217. BS Zelda

64 DD games
218. SimCity 64
219. F-Zero X Expansion Kit
220. Kyojin no Doshin 1 (Doshin the Giant)
221. Mario Artist: Communication Kit,Paint Studio,Polygon Studio, Sound Studio, Talent Studio


If this is true, then this would be the best thing since sliced bread.

[ABlueflameA]

If that game list is true, even if half of it is true.....*tear*.  Its just too beautiful for words.  If half of that list is true then good luck getting a Revolution as they're going to be flying off the shelves faster than excited mexican jumping beans!

However, I'm going to have to find time to stop playing Mario World, Mario RPG, and Link to the Past to play the glorious new Revolution games (i.e. Online Smash Brothers!!).


Thank you Nintendo! (If that list is true)
-Blueflame

[Famicom]

Some thoughts glancing over the list:

-Wouldn't all those Fire Emblem games need translating? If Ninty is porting over old Japanese only games then WEEEEE.

-Sin and Punishment. FINALLY!

-World Cup Soccer. Excuse me while I go crap my pants (one of my all time favorite games).

-OMG DIE whoever said Uniracers sucked.

Now all we need is some add-on device to play old GB/C/A carts....

[BlackNMild2k1]

195. Riqa

I thought that this was supposed to be Nintendo's Tomb Raider challenger that ended up getting cancelled?

If I remember right, it was supposed to release in time for christmas 1999 (I worked at FuncoLand at the time) and I was waiting for a store copy to open to see if I wanted to buy it or not.

here is a link
RIQA cancelled

[SgtShiversBen]

On the link I think it said this is the japanese list.  I'm not really sure though.  But anyways this means that alot of these games should be coming over here too.  But what would it matter if people couldn't read the games or not?  It's the option of you being able to have them.  And since it'd be a server based thing, it'd make it easier if the server only had one version of the lists rather than multiples.

And I agree Uniracers is awesome.

Too bad there's no WCW/NWO Revenge, World Tour or WWF No Mercy stuff.  But I guess that'd be asking for too much.

[Dirk Temporo]

Somehow, I doubt they would've been able to sign on that many third parties this quickly. But man, if those Fire Emblems are for real, *drool*.

[Ian Sane]

"Doki Doki Panic"

Super Mario Bros 2 without the Mario makeover?  Neato!

I don't think this is any sort of real list.  It's just a list of games Nintendo owns the rights to.  So while the possibility is there for Nintendo to translate some Japan only games like Fire Emblem for North America, there's no proof they will.  Plus this list has light gun games like Duck Hunt.  Unless the Rev controller has light gun functionality or they release a light gun for the Rev those games wouldn't work.

And whoever said that Uniracers sucks can go to hell.  That's easily one of my top ten favourite games ever.

"Too bad there's no WCW/NWO Revenge, World Tour or WWF No Mercy stuff. But I guess that'd be asking for too much."

I imagine there would be issues with licencing.  There are wrestlers in those games that are no longer contracted to the WWE and they might not legally be allowed to use them.  Plus they would have to alter all of the "WWF" logos because of that stupid lawsuit from the World Wildlife Fund.  Plus by offering the WCW games Vince McMahon would have to admit that WCW was actually GOOD and we can't have that.

I imagine we'll see very few licenced games on this download service.  The whole appeal of it to third parties is that they don't have to do any work.  Changing things for legal reasons just wouldn't be worth the extra cost.  That probably means no Goldeneye unless EA and Nintendo make a deal.

[stevey]

"9. Doki Doki Panic"

Isn't that the game they trun into smb2?

"Satteleview games
217. BS Zelda"

DROOL, I been waiting for that game!

[Pale]

BS Zelda is actually quite crappy.  Link doesn't look like Link and Hyrule is shrunk and simplified.  The only thing its good for is making you realize how much you miss the original.  

[Dirk Temporo]

I just realized something.

187. Perfect Dark

Do you guys REALLY think Microsoft would let RARE go anywhere near Nintendo with that?

[BlackNMild2k1]

172. Kirby's Air Ride

an N64 game?  This was a GC game. I don't put too much faith in this list, and I seriously doubt the downloadable games will be free.  There may be several versions of the George Harrison interview going around but these are the ones I found first.

Gamespot 05/26/2005

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GS: Do you plan on having like a per-download pricing model along the lines of the microtransactions that will be used in the next-gen Xbox marketplace?

GH: Well, we can use it in a variety of ways. We've used some of the older games already as little bonuses, either as bonus gifts or hidden in levels of games. Certainly for the first-party titles we'll be making some of those available. We haven't really talked about whether we would sell them. The third parties can make their own decision whether they want to sell them, or maybe they will add it on as sort of a free benefit when you buy a current version of the game.

GamesRadar 05/27/2005

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In a recent interview with US website GameSpot, Nintendo of America vice president George Harrison answered some burning questions, finally giving some kind of clue as to how Nintendo plans to play this generation.

"People sort of picked on us for not prematurely jumping into online or internet gaming," he mused, going on to point out that now the company has more to offer besides online gaming. Harrison then confirmed that past-gen, Nintendo-created titles will indeed be downloadable for free.

Obviously someone doesn't know how to read, and/or took the info provided to them and put their own little spin on it.  I think its safe to say that Games Radar got the story wrong and mis-quoted the GameSpot interview.  

[King of Twitch]

Probaby a fake list but the first few I'll get, in order

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Wave Race 64
SimCity 64 (??!)
Star Wars Episode I: Racer
Pilotwings 64
Super Metroid
Star Tropics sounded good
Earthbound


Kirby's Air Ride >This game never came out for the 64 what're they smoking
Hey You, Pikachu! >What's the point of it unless the controller has a mic OR... DS can hook up to the Revolution?
Tetris for NES, SNES, and 64? Wonderful.

Edit: Is it just me or is there a sucky journalism bug going around?

[Infernal Monkey]

Riqa, Mini Racers, Kirby's Air Ride, Buggie Boogie (blol remember this one? This was meant to be a launch title. GO DREAM TEAM) and Cat Roots never came out.

This list is SUPER COOL!!1  

[mantidor]

Ive heard this wild rumor that Nintendo might release some of those cancelled proyects in the Rev... but yeah, Perfect Dark on the Rev? I dont think so. Does someone know the legal side of things for this one? The perfect dark licence is owned by Rare, but Nintendo published the game, Im really ignorant if that would allow them to release the game or not...

[IceCold]

"Do you guys REALLY think Microsoft would let RARE go anywhere near Nintendo with that?"

Actually, it would be a brilliant strategy for Microsoft to employ. Allow Nintendo to use it, then let people download it and remember how good it was. Then, BAM, release Perfect Dark for the 360 and watch people flock to the stores to buy it. Perfect Dark 64 won't sell Revolutions, but Perfect dark 360 WILL sell Xboxes.

RE: World Cup Soccer

Famicom, I think you're my new best friend. If that's the game I think it is, it's the game where you could stand at midfield, call for the ball, and press A+B together make your guy do a special (backflip if you're using Brazil, as you should be), light up the ball and make it go through the back of your opponent's net every time. I LOVED that game. I don't know why, but I just did. I was young when I played it with my cousin and once, after beating a particularly tough country, it gave the code that we would need to carry on after this point if we switched the NES off. We had written down all of the other codes before, but had lost them, and we were going through the game again. Anyway, we couldn't find a pencil or paper (summer holidays) and we needed to go out somewhere and my parents were in the car. So we found my mum's lipstick (don't ask) and wrote down the code on a napkin. OK, I think I've said just a bit too much lol. Anyway, the point is, thank God it's available to download (hopefully)

"Plus by offering the WCW games Vince McMahon would have to admit that WCW was actually GOOD and we can't have that.

Especially with that recent ECW angle ongoing

[SgtShiversBen]

According to the poster, Nintendo is able to use those because they're using Nintendo PUBLISHED games rather than one's they just developed.  

I don't know if this is true or not, but the poster also says its in the Famistu magazine maybe.  So you might want to check there.

[Arbok]

How are they going to get Yoshi Safari to work? You need a light gun for that game, same question applys to Duck Hunt as well.

I'm excited by a lot of the titles here, but don't want to get my hopes up incase this proves to be false.

[Koopa Troopa]

Not gonna get my hopes up. But, Lord, if that is even half true I'll be able to die a happy man

[Kamek_X]

Some of the Games Listed Like Mike Tysons Punch Out is not likely to be availble. What is it With Nintendo and some Sports Celebs having Scandals down the road like Kobe Bryant as well. I dont need to explain you know what I speak of. I think Ken Griffey Jr. Is the only good boy there was they made a game out of. On another note I hope Capcom joins in, I really miss My Super Ghouls N' Ghost Game. I sold on Super Nes. Man Im so full of regret selling my Super Nes. I did so cause I was so hyped about the Cube that was about to be released that I sold my SuperNes. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Atleast It may be possible to gain some of my games back via download on Rev.  

[Arbok]

"No, it's not official. I'm looking at the page in Famitsu right now. It justs adds up the Nintendo published titles on the NES (79), SNES (54), N64 (45), and GC (43) to get 221. Then wonders if all 221 could be playable. Please stop spreading false info."

From that topic, looks like this list isn't panning out at all. The source it seems saw the 221 number, and then just tried to find 221 Nintendo published games. I don't see anything in that topic to add any credibility to this list either, sadly.

[Nephilim]

there just all the offical nintendo games copy'ed and pasted, thats why there are a few errors with cancelled games and such

example:
The Legend of Zelda DD (Ura Zelda) (Master Quest in America)

I highly doubt the launch list would be that huge
anyway "Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey" would be a awsome download, still a fun game to play on N64

[ABlueflameA]

There's one game missing that I really want, I don't remember who published it or developed it, or the chances of it coming to Revolution, but it was called "EVO: The Search for Eden" and it was an action RPG where you started out as a fish and had to evolve yourself as a fish, then an amphibian, reptile, etc...  It was a TON of fun.   I think im going to go look up info on it now. lol.

-Blueflame

[Spak-Spang]

I am an old school gamer.  I enjoy the older style gamers much better than the current generation games, so I am enjoying this whole idea.

The funny thing is once I start downloading SNES games I really can't see playing anything else.  This whole idea is a huge idea for Nintendo, but you can only do it once...the next generation will just have to continue the compatiability, but I will already have all the games I want.  

How will I ever have time to play REV games?

Pretty much any classic SNES game on any list I am downloading.  I will get a few classic NES and Nintendo 64 games, but SNES is where I am going to go nuts.

[Caliban]

"17. Duck Hunt"

Someone tell me how that is possible? Unless the Rev controller has an infra-red gun (I forgot what Nintendo called their own gun) gimmick I don't see this happening.

Edit: No Chrono Trigger or Terranigma from SNES, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[jasonditz]

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Originally posted by: ABlueflameA
There's one game missing that I really want, I don't remember who published it or developed it, or the chances of it coming to Revolution, but it was called "EVO: The Search for Eden" and it was an action RPG where you started out as a fish and had to evolve yourself as a fish, then an amphibian, reptile, etc...  It was a TON of fun.   I think im going to go look up info on it now. lol.

-Blueflame

EVO was an Enix game, and I'm pretty sure Nintendo did the publishing in the US (as they usually did).

[jasonditz]

And I'm inclined to agree... someone just looked up all the first-second party games and put them all on the list. Could be reasonable even if its not an official list, but I would hope we'd get more third party stuff like old Capcom, Square, and Enix titles.

[Nephilim]

breath of fire 1&2 would be good to see as a rev download, esp since no.3 is getting ported to psp

[Arbok]

Ok, since people seem to have missed my response and no one is actually reading the full topic, that list was made up by the user who posted it, Myahon, after he looked over a list of Nintendo published games and after hearing Famitsu was speculating if Nintendo's 221 published games might be downloadable (Famitsu was counting GCN, for some reason, as well, which this list doesn't).

[jasonditz]

Making Cube games downloadable doesn't make a lot of sense, but didn't they say something at E3 about Mario Sunshine? Or were they just speaking in terms of backwards compatibility then?  

[Pale]

Wow, no one has posted this yet???  Maybe i'm just blind..

http://mozlapunk.web-log.nl/log/2722430

Looky looky... square is apparently on board.

[Spak-Spang]

Pale:

Good find.  It should be obvious though what company wouldn't be onboard for kind of service.  Basically they can sell old games for like 1-5 dollars with no packaging costs or really any additional fees and make tons of money.  If you look at the market from just Japan or just America it doesn't seem like a big market, but when you view the entire world then you will make money.  

IF companies find out they make enough money to put translators on key games we may even get games that were never released in America or other locations available.

This really is a much bigger deal, and this alone will help save Nintendo no matter when they release.  And in the future all Nintendo has to do is keep the new systems backwards compatiable and keep SD card support.  Nintendo is really creating something quite special here.

[anubis6789]

This list is not even complete, on the Super Nes a few games are skipped including my beloved BattleClash, but its sequel is there. I look on this anouncment as well as all the other rumors regarding the classic download service to be taken with a large grain of salt.

[Pale]

Its already been confirmed that all the list at the top of this thread is, is a semi-complete list of first party published games by Nintendo.  Its basically someone's educated guess and nothing more.  The scans I linked to are supposedly right out of famitsu.  If only I could read Japanese.

[Garnia]

  I'm happy with the list, but where's the Mystical Ninja games and that quirky puzzle game for the nes (don't remember it's name lol) where you push ice blocks around courses and climb up beanstalks until you have to fight big bosses high up in the in clouds? If anyone remembers the name of that game by the way would you post it lol! There's like four different worlds in it "Vegetable, fruit, toy and something else lol! I loved that game!

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Caliban
"17. Duck Hunt"

Someone tell me how that is possible? Unless the Rev controller has an infra-red gun (I forgot what Nintendo called their own gun) gimmick I don't see this happening.

If they were to use gyros in the next controller..................  

[anubis6789]

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

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Originally posted by: Caliban
"17. Duck Hunt"

Someone tell me how that is possible? Unless the Rev controller has an infra-red gun (I forgot what Nintendo called their own gun) gimmick I don't see this happening.

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If they were to use gyros in the next controller..................

I'm now happy. Thank you.

I may now be able to replay some of my favorite games  without having to by a lot of other accesories.

[mantidor]

Final Fantasy is being included in the list because, surprisingly, the first FF was published by Nintendo, it doesnt mean Square is on board... yet, but I seriously dont see why they wouldnt lend their games, is like free money.

[Caliban]

BlackNMild2k1:
Yeah it will work, geez how could I have forgotten that Nintendo said that the Rev controller would be able to play all games. I still think the gyro method wouldn't work properly though but that's not saying much since I haven't even tried it yet.

[BlackNMild2k1]

If the older system games are infact gonna be emulated through software, couldn't they just make it so that the emulator puts a cursor on the screen that way you know where you are aiming for all the light gun games?  even different color for multiple players?

[anubis6789]

I don't think Nintendo ever made two player light-gun games, unless you count controlling the duck in Duck Hunt.

Now Konami made Lethal Enforcer for the SNES and that had two players, but you had to use guns made for the games as opposed to the Super Scope.

[Nephilim]

I think they could make iy playable with a control (duck hunt)
much like fly squater game which was emulated on wario ware

[Pale]

Did anyone even look at the Famitsu scans I linked to?

sheesh.

[anubis6789]

I can't read Japanese so I don't have any clue whats being said. All I know is that Nintendo themselves have not confirmed much of anything so I assume it is just speculation on Famitsu's part.

[Pale]

I can't read it either... BUT, it is obviously showing Final Fantasy V in one of the pictures.  According to other things I've read it gives a breakdown as to how many first party versus third party games will be available at launch.  The numbers people are saying is somewhere around 72 first party titles and 150 third party titles.

Also, these are supposedly scans from Famitsu... which is a very VERY reputable magazine in Japan.  Unless someone is lying about the whole thing (which I doubt) they are most likely true.

The oddity in one semi-translation I've read is that it says something like 40 gamecube games will be downloadable.  Most people are saying thats a mistranslation.  They also show both SSB:M and FF:CC screens.  Some think it means they will be downloadable.  Others (myself included) think they are just there because those are the two games that were 'announced' at e3.

I think I should have made a new thread for this, but whatever.

[Spak-Spang]

I am predicting Nintendo won't release all their first party games all at once.

They will want to save some games for special promotions.

They will not want to flood the market with too many games to purchase all at once.

They will want to allow 3rd party games to shine.  Even with older games, flooding the market will prevent the 3rd party games from selling.

Finally, a smaller game list means less server space.  I predict Nintendo is going to sell these games cheaply, and use the profit to afford to the gamers free online gaming.  Its really a win/win situation...and the only way to make a profit with online gaming.

Nintendo could also charge 25 cents for each 3rd party download for server space and such...making even more money for online gaming.

[Pale]

Yes, incremental releases would make more sense in my opinion too.  It would also create a higher chance of Nintendo actually translating Jp only games (though the chance is still very small) because it won't be something that they create at launch and then forget about.

On the other hand though, incremental releases prevents them from using the gigantic library as "The biggest launch lineup in history."

[Ian Sane]

"On the other hand though, incremental releases prevents them from using the gigantic library as 'The biggest launch lineup in history.'"

Yeah, I think having tons of variety at launch would be more important.  This feature will only encourage people to buy a Rev if there are specific games they want to download available.  No one wants to buy a Rev and then find out that there are no games they want to download.  Plus knowing Nintendo they would start with the really well known games like Mario and Zelda... which most people already own anyway.  I think one of the most important issues for this to take off is that obscure games are available that people more or less have to use the download service to get.  Games like Stunt Race FX or Kid Icarus, that have haven't been ported to other Nintendo consoles, are what are really going to make this feature worthwhile.  No one is going to buy a Rev to download Super Mario Bros.

And realistically I think the games are going to be incremented anyway beyond Nintendo's control.  We don't have a list of third parties on board yet.  So far all we know is that we're getting Nintendo and Square.  So realistically some third parties may not be on board yet but will be later thus incrementing the games available.

Edit: I just thought of a neat idea.  One problem with this download service is that the NES and SNES had a lot of arcade ports and most of the time they were not the definitive version of the game.  For example Final Fight on the SNES was only one player and Donkey Kong on the NES was missing a screen.  A lot of four player games were limited to two player because the multitap wasn't that popular.  So this increment suggestion made me think of something companies could do.  They could release the barebones version at launch and then make special editions later that "fix" mistakes.  So Capcom gives you a straight SNES port of Final Fight at launch and then fixes the slowdown, adds a second player, puts Guy back in, puts in the missing level, and removes the censorship and then releases a special edition later on.  Of course givng third parties the ability to "double dip" downloads has tons of room for abuse but I think it would nice for us to get accurate arcade ports.  If Final Fight costs only $1 to download are you really going to care if a director's cut comes out a few years later?

[SgtShiversBen]

Well, the games will carry a fee.  I just hope it's like a quarter for NES games or something reasonable.

It's an IGN link, so beware: DS Nes

"Regarding the system's backwards compatibility features, Iwata refered to this part of the Revolution as a "Virtual Console." From a technical standpoint, all NES, Super NES and N64 games can work with the system, although it's unclear if every game in Nintendo's tremendous back catalogue will be available.

There's some disappointing news for those expecting these classics to be available for free. Nintendo is planning on pay downloads as being the standard for this download system. There will be many types of services, though, including limited time free downloads. One possibility mentioned by Iwata is free downloads as bonuses for buying new games."

That's a quote from it.

Also the games will be able to be downloaded to the Revolution AND to the SD memory card.  I think they got a hint from the PSP about this.  This will also be used for DEMOS and firmware patches.

There will be no hard drive because of how tiny the system is.  So it's not a total loss.  512 MB isn't  that small anyways.  Especially for oldie games.

[Pale]

I still want to know how Nintendo plans on preventing people from sticking their SD card into their computer and making their games and saves available to the world.

[SgtShiversBen]

"Iwata didn't elaborate, but did state that copy protection is in place (so don't expect to simply send downloaded game copies to your friends by e-mail)."

Does that answer your question Pale?  Sure it'll evenutally be cracked, but it's still in place though.

[Pale]

"Iwata didn't elaborate, but did state that copy protection is in place (so don't expect to simply send downloaded game copies to your friends by e-mail)."

Does that answer your question Pale? Sure it'll evenutally be cracked, but it's still in place though.

Nah, i read that.  I just don't see how it won't be cracked within seconds of putting it in your drive.  A computer doesn't even have to decipher the content...it could just create an exact image of it to be copied onto another card much the same way copy protection is broken on PC Games.

The only conceivable solution I see would require that the Rev have access to the internet at all times.  Then when you try and start a game up from an SD card, it would go check your account and confirm that you paid for that game.  I personally wouldn't have a problem with that as it would also most likely mean you could freely re-download a game you already paid for, but people without persistant internet would be pissed.  

[vudu]

I'm no techie, but I imagine when you download the game your Revolution's unique serial number will be imprinted into it, making it playable on your system and yours alone.  It's also possible that the Revolution will have to be online in order to play these games, making it so even if you do give out your copy to others, only one of you can play it at a time.

[Pale]

The serial number thing wouldn't be a good idea either.  What happens when/if someones system breaks and they buy a new one?

[Ian Sane]

"The only conceivable solution I see would require that the Rev have access to the internet at all times. Then when you try and start a game up from an SD card, it would go check your account and confirm that you paid for that game."

Instead of keeping it online all the time maybe you could just have a systematic check that occurs whenever you do go online to download another game or play online.  It knows what games you bought on your account and then checks your card to make sure you paid for everything.  If you didn't then it knows and it deletes the offending game.  It would be based on an account instead of the console itself.  A possible loophole would be that you could just get two SD cards, one for your legit stuff and the other for pirated stuff and then you make sure you never go online with pirate card.  However the Rev could potentially store the id of every classic game played on your console.  If the check finds out that you played a game you didn't own it would save a flag so that next time it sees the game it gets deleted.  The only problem with that is that you can't bring your downloaded games to your friend's house.

Or maybe they just make it so that the interface on the Rev that is used to run the downloaded games simply doesn't even give you the option to play games you haven't received officially.  The list of valid games is stored on the console and updates everytime you download a new game.  So the console knows what you've bought and thus determines what it will let you play or not.  This isn't like a PC where you can open up Windows Explorer and see every file on the hard drive.  The Rev is proprietary and thus can just not let you run the executable for illegal games.  You may have Contra on your SD card but Contra is not on the list so no play for you.

[jasonditz]

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Originally posted by: Pale
The serial number thing wouldn't be a good idea either.  What happens when/if someones system breaks and they buy a new one?

It could just keep track of what's been purchased and let the user link his account with the new system and redownload the titles.  

[Spak-Spang]

Yes, but If Nintendo released

25 first party classic NES
10 first party classic SNES
5-10 first party classic N64 games

Now add current Gamecube games and new Revolution games.

Then allowed 3rd parties to release whatever they wanted to at the availability at launch just the first party games would be the biggest launch lineup ever.

3rd parties would much more appreciate this.  

Then Nintendo could release a new set of games each month.  Create limited edition games and much more.  

Also about the plan they will use it hasn't beed decided yet or the cost.  So who knows what Nintendo will do.

And about Piracy...I don't think its that big of an issue.  Think about this.  It is already going on every single day.  Nintendo can't stop it.  Creating a system that can play ROMS that you download from your server is the best way to combat it.  Provide an affordable legal alternative.

A good example of this is MP3s.  You can steal music online using a variety of sources, yet it doesn't put I-Tunes out of business who are charging you $1.00 a song.

[Spak-Spang]

I think the realistic price for all games except perhaps N64 games will be at least 1 dollar, and probably no more than 5 dollars.

The 5 dollar games would probably only be N64 games.

A dollar is a price we are used to with music already, and really games are worth much more than music (at least to me.)

[jasonditz]

I'd like to see $0.50-$0.99 per NES title, $1.99 per SNES title, and $5 per N64 title

[BlackNMild2k1]

I think another good thing that will come out of all of these old games being re-released that hasn't been touched on yet, is that this will be a good gauge to see what franchises or games are popular enough to earn an update/sequel to the franchise.

i.e. If everyone were to buy Kid Icarus, Star tropics and Earthbound, Nintendo would know that the demand for updated games are pretty high and a sequel could sell really well.

and as far as pricing goes, I really wouldn't expect NES games to go below $1.00

NES - $1.00 - $1.99
SNES - $2.99 - $3.99
N64 - $4.99 - $7.99

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Aha.  Things aren't free.  That's the Nintendo I know.

[jasonditz]

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Originally posted by: Pale
I still want to know how Nintendo plans on preventing people from sticking their SD card into their computer and making their games and saves available to the world.

SD stands for "Secure Digital", its got DRM built right into it, and it won't even be accessable to the computer in all likelihood.

That's not to say someone won't crack it eventually... but even getting an unsecure SD Card to work in a system without the DRM-enabled drivers installed is a hell of a challenge.

Its probably not a big deal anyhow, so long as the Rev will only play games that are encoded with the owner's account info. Think a "public/private" key situation, where the ROMs are encoded with a public key and only a user-specific private key placed on the internal flash chip would be able to make the ROM playable.

I'm sure even that is theoretically breakable (I can think of one possible way off-hand),  but by this point you're putting it out of the reach of the average user.

[thepoga]

Is anyone gonna even try getting all these game? You're gonna have to pay for em.
 

[stevey]

I think pricing will go like this $1 to $2, for ness $2.50 to $3-4, n64 $5 to $7-10, and 3rd parties add $1 to $3 a game. Also for game that never came out in the us add $3 to $5 and game that are text heavy like ff 2,3,5 add $5 to $50 (ff fan will still buy it).

[stevey]

"I still want to know how Nintendo plans on preventing people from sticking their SD card into their computer and making their games and saves available to the world."

They just formate the sd card so _% with be for game and will be unreadable on computer as so there no data there.

[KnowsNothing]

poga, I think deep down we knew we would have to pay anyway, so no big deal.  I'm prepared to pay around $15 for a game, over $20 is pushing it.  But I predict that they're not going to go much more expensive than that, if they even reach that at all.

That was a great article, it cleared some stuff up.  The USB connection is the wireless router-sans-network thing that was predicted, and it will work with the DS and the Rev.  Also good to hear that we'll be able to download demos to our DS, hopefully this means NES/SNES games too.

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wata also discussed the Revolution's internal 512MB flash memory, which he said will be used for saving game data, downloading virtual console games, and for "expansion of the Revolution's capabilities."

Interesting......I'm thinking this could mean firmware updates, which means that we could be seeing new Rev features and programs and stuff all throughout it's life, which sounds neat.

[SgtShiversBen]

As I have said somewhere else, I think paying more than a dollar for an NES game is outrageous.  We're paying for an IMAGE of the game rather than an actual PHYSICAL copy of it.  We all know we can find these games for cheaper off of Ebay and other sources (and Nintendo does too as shown by their store locator).  I think a quarter would be a reasonable price.  I mean we can get these games for free off of the internet (allbeit they aren't the best, but they're there) and also they aren't new.  iTunes uses the dollar method, but that's because you can get the songs that just came out.  I wouldn't pay 1$ for a Beatles song knowing that somewhere someone is hosting the song on their website.

I just think, like I said in the beginning, a dollar or two is too much to pay for an IMAGE of a 20 year old game.  A quarter would be great, a dollar for an SNES and maybe 2 for an N64.  Heck, you can get Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, WWF No Mercy or Ocarina of Time for around 2.99$ at GameStop.  At least then I'll have some physical evidence.

But I do love the fact of them being able to put on the SD card.  Anyone think that the memory cards will be the same format as the DS cards?  Would be great in my opinion.

[Ian Sane]

"I'm prepared to pay around $15 for a game"

You and you only.  There's no way in hell I would pay that.  I can get real SNES carts for less than that.  If Nintendo went that high this concept would bomb.

Plus you have to remember that it's really easy to get NES and SNES emulators running on a PC and it's pretty easy to find free roms.  If Nintendo overcharges there's a very easy to use pirating alternative.  If the games are like a buck then people will be more willing to do things the official way but much like with MP3s it's not going to take much effort to push someone to piracy.  I'm not defending piracy but it's there and people will use it.  These things better be dirt cheap.

[BlackNMild2k1]

"Interesting......I'm thinking this could mean firmware updates, which means that we could be seeing new Rev features and programs and stuff all throughout it's life, which sounds neat."

For those of you that have been skimming through this thread, This was posted back on pg. 3

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Originally posted by: SgtShiversBen @ 11:31am
Well, the games will carry a fee.  I just hope it's like a quarter for NES games or something reasonable.

It's an IGN link, so beware: DS Nes

Also the games will be able to be downloaded to the Revolution AND to the SD memory card.  I think they got a hint from the PSP about this.  This will also be used for DEMOS and firmware patches.

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from IGN article:
Nintendo's use of flash memory rather than a hard disk was very much intentional. The company believes that kids as young as five years old will use the Revolution and could damage a built-in hard disk. Additionally, Iwata points to longevity, reliability and cost as being part of the decision to go with flash.

The internal flash memory is being used for a few areas besides the download of game classics. You'll be able to save games to the flash area, update the Revolution's firmware (adding new features along the way, presumably) and download game demos! That's right, Revolution game demos, downloaded right to your Revolution hardware.

 

[KnowsNothing]

I'm willing to pay a maximum of $15  for a game.  I'm not saying that all games are worth that.  Only the top-tier N64 games and rare SNES games are worth that, I was only saying that I would be willing to pay around $15 for certain games.  Obviously NES games are worth much less than that.

Of course, now that I think of it, $15 is a little high, I'll bring that back to $10, especially since we already have both N64 Zelda's on the Cube and Mario 64 on the DS, and others and stuff.

Black: oh  Still, though demos aren't new, DS demos are, SO THERE    

[Talon]

You know what would truely be revolutionary is if Nintendo released the nes and/or snes sdk's to hobbyists.  If nintendo is willing to sell the original nes and snes games at an extremely cheap price, piracy just isnt a factor.

I think it would be totally rewarding and awesome to develop a game for the nes or snes on your pc and be able to download it and play it on the revolution (legally o_O O_o).  This sort of product not everyone would be interested in but nintendo could earn a bit more revenue from selling their sdk's at a reasonable price.  NES and SNES games are no longer being made by anyone and as while as nintendo keeps the pricing of the downloadable games down, I cant see any reason how this could hurt their profits.  Not to mention we could see a surge in NES and SNES game development and some original ideas from hobbyists who are more inclined to take risks and go out on limbs with their software unlike developers and publishers of today.

If nintendo was smart they could really create a whole new product line around this sort of concept.  With the sdk's they could release user manuals to get the best out of the hardware (emulator), programming guides, game development designs, architectures and patterns.  Anyway Im starting to day dream but one can only hope.

[jasonditz]

Maybe instead of the overly restrictive hardware of the previous gen systems they could go one better and offer a cheap, somewhat crippled devkit for the system itself. Or even something like the extremely cool Saturn BASIC that ASCII released in Japan.

[Pale]

I see an explosion by Ian in the future when the pricing scheme is actually announced.

Seriously guys, if these were as cheap as a dollar I'd be shocked.  5 dollars is probably a safer bet, and to whoever said 25 cents, you are dreaming.

Iwata saying you get games for buying games is seriously intriguing.  I'm starting to think the games will be fairly high priced, but Rev games will give you 'Nintenbucks' that you can use towards getting games free.

That actually makes a lot of sense.  They aren't GIVING the games away because they are promoting sales of other games.  Third parties could get on board... Buying the new CC will give you 'Squarebucks', etc, etc.

That way, if you REALLY want to play Earthbound on launch day, you shell out the 5-15 bucks.  Then, as you get a backlog of 'Nintenbucks' you finish out your collection.

Would you all be happy with that?  I would.  

[Mario]

"Nintenbucks", that's an excellent idea! Know what'd be awesome? If you got Nintendollars for putting your GC games in, and the hardware detects them or something (or maybe your GC memory card), and gives you a dollar for each game. That'd be a nice reward for fans.

[KDR_11k]

Blacknmild: Remeber that not everybody has the same page size as you, for me this thread is still on its second page.

I don't see them demanding a dollar or less for these games. Why? Well, a game lasts you at least a few hours, usually days. Nintendo is very conscious of the time a user will be occupied by a game and won't buy new games. They even called MS stupid for bundling lots of crap with the Box because a user playing that crap pack-in game won't buy new games for some time. Of course, more than five a piece would be counterproductive but one or less would make those games literally a dime a dozen. The less you pay for a game the less you value it. I didn't feel bad when I put Rez on the shelf after two hours never to touch it again, I felt bad when I did the same thing with Harvest Moon:AWL because I shelled out 50 Euros for that piece of garbage.

[Talon]

I dont even see the need for SD memory cards anymore.  The 512mb of flash memory would be enough to temporarily store game saves and then for games that you dont play any longer you could archive them on your pc through the wireless conection.

[Mario]

I don't think Nintendo would let the files be stored on a PC, that opens too many doors to piracy.

[Talon]

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Anoop Gantayat
Nintendo Discusses Revolution and WiFi article at IGN

The downloads will, as previously announced, be stored in flash memory. You'll be able to store games in the 512 megabytes built into the system, but should this fill up, you can transfer your downloads to an SD memory card and use your computer to manage the files. Iwata didn't elaborate, but did state that copy protection is in place (so don't expect to simply send downloaded game copies to your friends by e-mail).

How is transfering downloads from your revolution to your computer via an SD card safer than having the revolution wirelessly send that same data to your computer?

Answer: Its not! Obviously Nintendo feel that their copy protection software is good enough to stop people from emailing each other games they have downloaded so why cant they use the same technology to store game saves on your pc?

Not only this but you would never have to worry about upgrading the hdd or flash memory in your console.

[KDR_11k]

Mario: All DRM vendors let you copy their files as much as you want. Because you can't use them anyway. The point of DRM is not to prevent copying for that is impossible but to make the file unreadable to anyone who doesn't legally own it (that means having the key or the server acknowledging that you can get the key).

[ThePerm]

i want to download revolution demos....they would cost ninty nothing ..no worry on demo disks

[theRPGFreak]

All they need is Ogre Battle 64 on the list and ill be happy ^^

[stevey]

"Answer: Its not! Obviously Nintendo feel that their copy protection software is good enough to stop people from emailing each other games they have downloaded so why cant they use the same technology to store game saves on your pc?"

Is the nes, snes, n64 emulators and the software to download game going to be on the the rev or a disk? If it on a disk than you can have it so only on that disk can play the game so copying it wouldn't matter.

[Ian Sane]

"i want to download revolution demos....they would cost ninty nothing ..no worry on demo disks"

Didn't Iwata say that there would be downloadable demos in his latest interview?  I'm pretty sure he did.

I would love downloadable demos but I think they should still offer discs for offline gamers.  It would seem kind of weird for Nintendo to be all "not enough people are online" this gen and then switch to only offering certain things online.  But then the download service is obviously online only so offline people are kind of screwed anyway.

[Dirk Temporo]

You never know, they may decide to sell them separately somehow. That'd be cool, like you can order your own Rev disc with certain games you selected on it.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"i want to download revolution demos....they would cost ninty nothing ..no worry on demo disks"

Didn't Iwata say that there would be downloadable demos in his latest interview?  I'm pretty sure he did.

GameSpot.com

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Iwata also discussed the Revolution's internal 512MB flash memory, which he said will be used for saving game data, downloading virtual console games, and for "expansion of the Revolution's capabilities." He didn't go into specifics regarding its connectivity to the DS, though he confirmed that users will be able to download demos for the handheld at home.