Author Topic: Prime vs. Windwaker (Read 7228 times)

supreagles · « **on:** April 27, 2003, 05:48:29 PM »

I just beat windwaker this week, with lack of a new game to play, I decided that I would play through metroid prime on hard mode. Once again the graphics blew me away. I think that prime is a way better game, including the graphics. Don't get me wrong, windwaker is a great game besides the fact that it is too short and easy. It just made me wonder, what if zelda looked realistic like prime does. What do you guys think?

Sorry if this has already been addressed.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2003, 05:53:02 PM »

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It just made me wonder, what if zelda looked realistic like prime does. What do you guys think?

Then it would have realistic graphics. I don't get your point. I hope you aren't saying that just having realistic graphics would somehow make Wind Waker a better game. Game play and graphics are two separate things and rarely affect each other. How about this question. What if Metroid Prime was cel-shaded? Ohh, ahh.

supreagles · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2003, 05:57:45 PM »

What I was getting at was I think that zelda in general (not WW per se) would be even better if it looked realistic. Your right graphics do not make the game, but they are an important part. I thought windwaker was good game regardless of what it looked like.

Scyth3r · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:00:30 PM »

I'm liking Windwaker MUCH more than Metroid Prime right now. In fact I haven't even beaten Metroid Prime yet as I don't really feel like playing it. I just have to go around and collect the rest of the artifacts now, but YAWN. Theres not story that keeps me hooked to keep playing. All I'm doing is going around shooting people... nothing more to it.

I suppose I'll attempt to finish it up when Im done w/ Windwaker but its just so boring IMO.

supreagles · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:03:51 PM »

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I just have to go around and collect the rest of the artifacts now, but YAWN. Theres not story that keeps me hooked to keep playing.
I suppose I'll attempt to finish it up when Im done w/ Windwaker but its just so boring IMO.

WW has its share treasure hunting.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #5 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:09:34 PM »

Read my sig.

I think that there is absolutely no question that Wind Waker is the better game.

joshnickerson · « **Reply #6 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:11:03 PM »

They are both vastly different games, so trying to compare the two is pointless. The only thing they have in common is that they are both excellent.

supreagles · « **Reply #7 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:14:12 PM »

I just think the next zelda game would be better if it was not cell shaded (and I am hoping that this would be the case).

"Sky" · « **Reply #8 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:17:16 PM »

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I just think the next zelda game would be better if it was not cell shaded (and I am hoping that this would be the case).

Well... at least I'll remember your name so that I won't hold your posts high regard in the future

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #9 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:22:53 PM »

LMAO! Sky, I think I will follow suit.

supreagles, it's nothing personal, but you have to realize it's like saying that the Mona Lisa would have been much better if it was drawn in black and white. Not appreciating the art style in the new Zelda is basically misunderstanding the entire concept of the Zelda game.

supreagles · « **Reply #10 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:24:31 PM »

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Well... at least I'll remember your name so that I won't hold your posts high regard in the future

Perhaps you did not see that my my comment on how I thought that zelda was a great game. I just thought it could learn some lessons from prime (difficulty, length, and yes graphics). I did not realize that I would get flamed for having an opinion. Its cell shaded graphics were nice this time around, but I hope they at least try one that is not shaded so they can be compared.

TheResidentEvil · « **Reply #11 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:28:02 PM »

Metroid Prime, so.... Detailed, rich, alive--perfection. But yes, artifacts is where I stopped because ists just a pain.

WW, so . . . . WOlderfully designed, beautifully drawn, wonderfully thought out . . . . But, the cel-shading may have looked great, the bright, colorfulness did tak away from the epic feel, and the game didnt feel nearly as compelling to me as OOT.

OOT, IMHO the undesputed best game of all time.

TheResidentEvil · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:29:50 PM »

Oh, right i forgot.

Brests, so . . . round, soft, delectable, delicious, supreme, magnificent . . . . Mmmm. Boobs.

*Leavs to go on a quest for boobs.*

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2003, 06:54:12 PM »

I really get tired of people pulling out the "I'm being flamed" trick from their bag any time someone disagrees with them or thinks they are wrong. Being flamed is when a bunch of posters are being jerks to another poster for really no reason and usually involves unintelligent posts that include name calling and a lot of cursing. I don't see that going on here.

Everyone's point is that even if Wind Waker had realistic graphics it would still be the same game. Yes, it would look different and some people would say it looked better while others would say it looked worse. Beyond that though it would still be the same game so any complaints like, "it's too short. it's too easy" would still be there.

Your question really strikes me as weird though. Any time I've played a game I've never thought, "Gee, this game would be so much better if it had a different graphic style".

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #14 on:** April 27, 2003, 07:13:01 PM »

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Your question really strikes me as weird though. Any time I've played a game I've never thought, "Gee, this game would be so much better if it had a different graphic style".

I never actually realized that before you just said it... But it is entirely true.

I personally find it kind of disturbing how inflexible gamers have gotten recently. Gamers have a long history of being early adopters, by driving the computer industry forward at a breakneck speed, and buying all sorts of devices that cater to us. Yet nowdays I see trends such as this popping up more and more, that if the item isn't EXACTLY what you had in mind, then you gripe about it.

I admit I was shocked when I first saw the new Zelda style, but it wasn't long before I had become a full fledged fan of the style. I look around at some of the Mario Kart threads on the internet, and it seems that there are people all over the place upset at the new appearance of the carts, and the fact that there are two people on each cart. Where is your flexibility people?

KrazyJ1098 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 27, 2003, 07:23:10 PM »

for myself, metroid prime is a much much better game than zelda is. in fact, the zelda series sucks compared to the metroid series. of course, i am a sci fi whore.

PIAC · « **Reply #16 on:** April 27, 2003, 07:23:53 PM »

thats a real good point gray ninja, sad yet true. no one flamed mario 64 for evolveing into 3d, but around that time people seemed to stop taking a liking to new ideas. oh no its not a carbon copy of the original! ITS TEH SUX!!! etc im rather intreagued (sp?) by the new mario kart, and i wait it with open gamecube lid! (well.. it will be closed at some point... getting The Wind Waker in less than 2 weeks

, even took the day off work to get it as soon as the store opens

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supreagles · « **Reply #17 on:** April 27, 2003, 07:26:34 PM »

Grey ninja, if nobody criticized anything then it would never improve.

PIAC · « **Reply #18 on:** April 27, 2003, 07:36:58 PM »

theres a difference between constructive criticizm like (oh this temple was too easy, perhaps implement some more difficult puzzles next time) and complete unadalterated bashing (WTF THERE IS TEH 2 PEOPLE ON TEH KART? ITS TEH SUX! OMFG LOOK AT LINK HE IS TEH KIDD KIDDEHH GHEEYYY)

if you get me

"Sky" · « **Reply #19 on:** April 27, 2003, 07:41:16 PM »

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Perhaps you did not see that my my comment on how I thought that zelda was a great game. I just thought it could learn some lessons from prime (difficulty, length, and yes graphics). I did not realize that I would get flamed for having an opinion. Its cell shaded graphics were nice this time around, but I hope they at least try one that is not shaded so they can be compared.

Yes, I did see your comment that Zelda was a great game. You just happened to miss the reason why what I quoted from you doesn't necessarily sound intelligent.

DaDoc · « **Reply #20 on:** April 27, 2003, 07:45:09 PM »

I never understood the whole "Wind Waker would a better game with more realistic graphics" thing. Scenes like Link being shot out of cannon and such would look down right retarded with realistic graphics. The graphics and the game were designed to match and work with eachother. Change one element, and the other is ruined.

supreagles · « **Reply #21 on:** April 27, 2003, 07:49:28 PM »

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Yes, I did see your comment that Zelda was a great game. You just happened to miss the reason why what I quoted from you doesn't necessarily sound intelligent.

Well since you gave no reason why you quoted me, your reasons are exactly full of brillance either.

"Sky" · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2003, 08:16:17 PM »

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Well since you gave no reason why you quoted me, your reasons are exactly full of brillance either.

I don't believe I am required to state the reason, for others have already stated the same exact thing going in on my mind and if you don't see the flaw in your post then me stating my reason would be futile anyway. Apparently others can see the reasoning behind my post, why can't you?

supreagles · « **Reply #23 on:** April 27, 2003, 08:48:04 PM »

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I don't believe I am required to state the reason, for others have already stated the same exact thing going in on my mind and if you don't see the flaw in your post then me stating my reason would be futile anyway. Apparently others can see the reasoning behind my post, why can't you?

What you fail to realize is this thread topic is based on opinion, there is no right or wrong answer. Since there have been differing viewpioints posted I must assume that you have either no opinion or you like WW graphics (since you wont tell me your opinion it must be a secret or something). If you do that is fine, but I would like to see a realistic zelda in the future (with graphics as well as gameplay). If you dont want that that is your opinion.

"Sky" · « **Reply #24 on:** April 27, 2003, 08:54:27 PM »

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What you fail to realize is this thread topic is based on opinion, there is no right or wrong answer. Since there have been differing viewpioints posted I must assume that you have either no opinion or you like WW graphics (since you wont tell me your opinion it must be a secret or something). If you do that is fine, but I would like to see a realistic zelda in the future (with graphics as well as gameplay). If you dont want that that is your opinion.

Since you apparently fail to realize why you have the negative views you have and why I quoted that particular post then I suppose I need to spell it out for you.

You say that having realistic graphics will make Zelda better somehow. Reality check, if Zelda has realistic graphics any flaws will still be there. The game will still be as "short and easy" as you put it as. Do you understand now? It's not your opinion that's the problem, it's your statement.

BTW, I do happen to like Metroid Prime more than Wind Waker. My opinion on The Wind Waker's graphics is neutral. You want to see a realistic Zelda, fine with me. But saying something like "I just think the next zelda game would be better if it was not cell shaded" is not an opinion, and is the reason to you being put down in this thread.

To be honest I didn't expect that I would be needed to explain it all to you, I always assume that people can easily read between the lines and grasp the meanings that are implied.

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Author Topic: Prime vs. Windwaker (Read 7228 times)