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RE: Prediction: iTunes Wii Channel
« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2007, 06:40:36 PM »
Is it sad that I would take an Iphone over a Ps3 . . . . .?

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« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2007, 07:04:03 PM »
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Is it sad that I would take an Iphone over a Ps3 . . . . .?



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« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2007, 01:34:59 AM »
I don't have an iPod or a cell phone and have been putting off getting both for too long, so an iPhone is definitely appealing.  Much more appealing than a PS3, since there's considerable less necessity for one.

I'd have to see what the Canadian price is for the iPhone (even though I imagine it could be well into the $700 range) and the service plan details and monthly rates.  I've never had a cell phone so I wonder if I'll fiddle with it too much or not use it much at all, and that's a factor too.

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« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2007, 03:38:25 AM »
the wii doesn't need itunes, just a music channel where you can play music directly off the sd card (i'd rather it be build from the ground up to take advantadge of the control)
and it would be awesome if the usb ports could access any external harddrive or mp3 player, just by plugging it in
itunes/apple is too limiting in scope, let the wii play with everybody

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« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2007, 03:49:06 AM »
how is iTunes to limited? You can use any MP3 player on it your not just limited to iPods. I have a SD carded based cheap MP3 player that works fine with iTunes sure I can't put music I've downloaded from the iTunes Store on to it but I can put any MP3s I want on it.

Apple is the hands down no contest leader in the MP3 player market and the pay download music stores. More people out there have music that only plays in iTunes and iPods then any other company (Napster, MS, Sony) And currently no game console can play that music.


Saying using iTunes and Apple is too limited is like saying, hey lets look at the world population but lets not include anyone from the Europe, Africa or Asian regions.
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« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2007, 04:02:02 AM »
Just a quick update.

Cisco is sueing Apple over the iPhone.
Apparently Cisco has held the trademark since 1996.

This should be interesting...
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« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2007, 04:17:29 AM »
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the wii doesn't need itunes, just a music channel where you can play music directly off the sd card (i'd rather it be build from the ground up to take advantadge of the control)
and it would be awesome if the usb ports could access any external harddrive or mp3 player, just by plugging it in
itunes/apple is too limiting in scope, let the wii play with everybody


You do know iTunes can play just about anything, right?

I'm not suggesting the scope be limited to iPods to play mp3s, either. Most mp3 players show up as USB devices which you can copy songs on and off. iTunes would handle it the same way with both mp3 players and SD cards.
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« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2007, 11:04:13 AM »
The iPhone is really, really overpriced. The RAZR was around $500 when it first came out, though, and now they're practically giving them away. (Not saying the same will happen, but that a price drop because of phone-company subsidies is possible).

I actually think it would have been cooler if they had made a touchscreen iPod with PDA functionality- the iPhone without the phone part, and with more processing power- it would probably have been more 'cost-effective'. But I digress. Considering that this phone has been in development for more than a year, I wouldn't expect any hypothetical deal between Nintendo and Apple to be announced until at least this summer, probably later.

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« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2007, 11:15:10 AM »
Wait a minute...

Wasn't Apple supposed to do their keynote conference on the 11th? Did they ever make it? Was the iPhone the big announcement? What else did they announce?

If so, this is strike one for SB's prediction as nothing has been announced about the alleged Nintendo/Apple team up.  
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« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2007, 11:31:13 AM »
they announced iTV or something like that....from what ive heard it lets you get iTunes on your TV...WOW....so not worth it ..........
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« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2007, 11:33:22 AM »
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Just a quick update.

Cisco is sueing Apple over the iPhone.
Apparently Cisco has held the trademark since 1996.

This should be interesting...


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« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2007, 03:37:30 PM »
Okay lets clear up a few things.

1. Yes pap64 Apple did have the Keynote, it was 2 days ago. The big announcements were AppleTV which lets you watch/hear anything that is in your iTunes library on your TV from any PC or Mac in your house. Its like a Media Center PC with out needing a PC right next to your TV. They also showed off the new iPhone. Which is a WHOLE lot more then just a simple phone. I recomend people go and read up on both these products before coming up with conclusions.

2. UERD you say that the iPhone is over priced compared to the RAZR, Well if anything you should be comparing the iPhone to a Blackberry. The iPhone is a WHOLE lot more then just a simple Phone with a simple MP3 player built in. You need to think of the iPhone as a Cellphone, a VoIP phone, a 4GB (or 8GB) Video iPod, Digital Camera and a MacMini all in one. Its not even fair to compare it to a Blackberry which is a PDA and Cellphone in one since the Computer in the iPhone is just that a computer and is not a weak PDA. For anyone who is a Trekkie the best way to describe what the iPhone is, it to say that its like a PADD Its FAR more advanced that any PDA or Cellphone on the market.

3. On the topic of Apple getting sued by Cisco, Apple has already talked about that and it seems that it won't be a issue. First Cisco has been doing a sh!tty job keeping tabs on the name iPhone and if Cisco does sue Apple over the uses they will have to sue a dozen other companies who also have phones called iPhones. Second the Apple iPhone is a multi-function device the Cisco iPhone is just a VoIP phone, As long as Apple doesn't have a standalone VoIP phone they can uses the name according to trademark law. Its the same law that let them call themselves Apple Computers even thou we had Apple Records. Third Apple technically holds claim to any name that starts with 'i' Since Apple has the iMac, iPod, iTunes, iLife, iPhoto, iWeb, iMovie, iDVD, iWorks, iChat, iSight, iSync, iCal, and whatever other 'i' items the have. Apple can grab any name they want sine the whole 'i' thing was their doing and if I recall correctly they actually have a trademark on any name starting with 'i'. They have taken a name once already someone made a product called iWorks and they went after them and got it and they will easily do it again with this if need be.  
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« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2007, 04:28:53 PM »
The iPhone does EVERYTHING the Wii's non-gaming functions does... and it does it better.

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« Reply #88 on: January 11, 2007, 04:58:37 PM »
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Well, to be fair, Apple has been doing this sort of thing for years now, while the Wii is perhaps Nintendo's first multimedia console that offers more than just gaming.

They are still working on it, so lets give them a year or two.
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« Reply #89 on: January 11, 2007, 05:16:23 PM »
I was wrong: he didn't announce anything this time.

Though, if it happens, an announcement like this could come anytime, since Nintendo has been known for breaking news at times other than tradeshows (like when revealing the Wii name, for example).

Still, it's all speculation. It could easily never happen.
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« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2007, 05:32:03 PM »
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I was wrong: he didn't announce anything this time.

Though, if it happens, an announcement like this could come anytime, since Nintendo has been known for breaking news at times other than tradeshows (like when revealing the Wii name, for example).

Still, it's all speculation. It could easily never happen.


If this were to happen I expect it to happen either in the middle or the end of the year. The reason I failed to believe that Apple would drop the announcement now was because the Wii was just released and still needs to grow a stable user base before dropping any kind of support.

I already told you that I am going to give your prediction more merit, SB, since you are NOT the only one thinking this way. Hackers and modders have already found ways to play iTunes music on the Wii and more than one person has said that Nintendo and Apple should team up. This type of movement and speculation will only drive Nintendo and Apple out of their foxholes and do something about it.

I'm just saying that it is far too early in the game before dropping any wishes like these. And like I said, what might be logical to us may be worthless to the companies.
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« Reply #91 on: January 11, 2007, 05:35:36 PM »
My prediction of the creation of Mario DDR was a little more from left field and that one was right.

This one isn't as far-fetched, especially since many others are predicting it as well.
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« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2007, 05:40:24 PM »
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My prediction of the creation of Mario DDR was a little more from left field and that one was right.

This one isn't as far-fetched, especially since many others are predicting it as well.


I personally never found the idea of a Mario DDR to be THAT far fetched.

At the time that Mario DDR was announced, Nintendo had put Mario in everything from countless of Mario sequels to third party, extreme sports titles. By the time Mario DDR came into the scene, everyone was like "Great, yet ANOTHER Mario game" rather than "OMFG MARIO IS IN DDR!".

Mario appearing alongside FF characters in hoops and teaming up with the DQ team to bring Itadaki street DS, however, were far more surprising since we all know that Square avoid Nintendo like the plague in the mid to late 1990s and reflect a new Square, a Square willing to experiment across the board.
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« Reply #93 on: January 12, 2007, 01:02:22 AM »
It will be interesting to see what happens with iPhone.

Cisco is not someone Apple can just sue into submission.(Cisco is worth 2x Apple)
If Apple is smart they will say "Cisco, how many money hats do you want?" and then pay up.

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« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2007, 01:10:41 AM »
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I personally never found the idea of a Mario DDR to be THAT far fetched.


I'd agree with you except that everyone I suggested the idea to thought I was full of sh*t.
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« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2007, 01:43:09 AM »
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Cisco is not someone Apple can just sue into submission.(Cisco is worth 2x Apple)
If Apple is smart they will say "Cisco, how many money hats do you want?" and then pay up.


I don't think you'll see Apple throw around any money hats at Cisco. They knew what they were getting into with the name, they knew Cisco had a iPhone and they went and did it anyway. They have a ace up their sleeve that will prevent Cisco from doing anything.

Are you sure Cisco is actually worth twice as much as Apple?

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« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2007, 03:35:16 AM »
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Second the Apple iPhone is a multi-function device the Cisco iPhone is just a VoIP phone, As long as Apple doesn't have a standalone VoIP phone they can uses the name according to trademark law. Its the same law that let them call themselves Apple Computers even thou we had Apple Records.

The idea behind protecting trademarks is to protect consumers.  If I buy a bottle of dark liquid with "Coca-Cola" on the label, I can be quite confident that the liquid is actually Coca-Cola.  If the Coca-Cola trademark was not protected, an unscrupulous merchant could sell me watered down Pepsi instead.  I wouldn't be able to tell the difference until I was already swindled.  On the other hand, if there's little chance of confusion, the name can be reused by someone else.  This is why Mongoose bicycles, Mongoose Publishing, and Mongoose the Marvel Comics character can all happily coexist.

To a layman, the technical differences between Cisco's and Apple's iPhone products aren't obvious.  They're both communication devices that behave similarly to every phone he's ever used.  The fact that Apple's does a few other things doesn't seem to be nearly enough to make them safe from Cisco's trademark.  They're both phones.  It doesn't help Apple that the iPhone trademark is older than Apple's 'i' names tradition.

Incidentally, in the Apple Records and Apple Computers case, the trademark dispute was never decided on by a judge.  The two companies settled out of court.  Every lawsuit between them since then has been over breach of the settlement contract.

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Third Apple technically holds claim to any name that starts with 'i' Since Apple has the iMac, iPod, iTunes, iLife, iPhoto, iWeb, iMovie, iDVD, iWorks, iChat, iSight, iSync, iCal, and whatever other 'i' items the have. Apple can grab any name they want sine the whole 'i' thing was their doing and if I recall correctly they actually have a trademark on any name starting with 'i'. They have taken a name once already someone made a product called iWorks and they went after them and got it and they will easily do it again with this if need be.

I don't believe it's possible to trademark a naming convention.  Also, I haven't been able to find anything about iWorks.  Apple has an actual product named iWork, however, so it's unlikely the case was based simply on the name starting with an 'i'.  Do you have a link to something about it?  The only court case I found was Apple v. dePlume, which was about trade secrets.

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« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2007, 04:38:03 AM »
So much of what I know is based on what I remember from years ago, I don't keep archives of all these things, but I'll look around and see if I can find a story.

iWorks was a business management program for the Mac it was released a few years before Apple's iWorks. As soon as Apple announced their iWorks the other one disapeared within a few months, I don't know if it was renamed or what but you can no longer find that product. Sun microsystems also had a program called iWorks, not sure what ever happen to that. But I can't seem to find anything recent about it anymore.
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« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2007, 05:21:32 AM »
looks like Apple found away around the iPhone trademark or something cause Apple has a LIVE trademark for the iPhone already.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=qke8ea.3.13

It was trademarked on Sept 26th 2006 by Ocean Telecom Services LLC (a Apple company)

It seems like Cisco really dropped the ball on the Trademark.
Cisco's iPhone is refered to as a "computer hardware and software for providing integrated telephone communication with computerized global information networks."

while Apple's iPhone is refered to as "handheld and mobile digital electronic devices for the sending and receiving of telephone calls, faxes, electronic mail, and other digital data; MP3 and other digital format audio players; handheld computers, personal digital assistants, electronic organizers, electronic notepads; magnetic data carriers; telephones, mobile phones, computer gaming machines, videophones, cameras; prerecorded computer programs for personal information management, database management software, electronic mail and messaging software, paging software, database synchronization software, computer programs for accessing, browsing and searching online databases, computer software and firmware, namely operating system programs, data synchronization programs, and application development tool programs for personal and handheld computers; electronic handheld units for the wireless receipt and/or transmission of data that enable the user to keep track of or manage personal information; software for the redirection of messages, Internet e-mail, and/or other data to one or more electronic handheld devices from a data store on or associated with a personal computer or a server; and software for the synchronization of data between a remote station or device and a fixed or remote station or device; computer hardware and software for providing integrated telephone communication with computerized global information networks"

Simpley put, Cisco trademarked a piece of Computer Hardware while Apple trademarked a Cellphone Hybrid. Which in terms makes it two differnt products that are not compeating with each other for the same market.

The only bit Apple has to worry about in their trademark is "computer hardware and software for providing integrated telephone communication with computerized global information networks" Which means that they just have to worry about it being a VoIP phone.

Apple has smart lawers they know what they are doing.
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« Reply #99 on: January 12, 2007, 06:02:28 AM »
Completely off topic, but care to explain why Biohazard had to be renamed Resident Evil in North America and Europe?  AFAIK, it's not likely that people would get a zombie video game mixed up with a heavy metal band.
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