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Title: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2010, 12:39:35 AM
It's just a rumor at this point (AFAIK), but we all know how bad MS(& Sony) are at keeping secrets.... secrets.

http://www.kitguru.net/software/gaming/jules/microsoft-chooses-amd-fusion-ii-for-xbox-720/
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Microsoft chooses AMD Fusion II for XBox 720

OK, the chances of the next XBox being called 720 are 50:50 at best but, for now, at least you all know what we’re talking about. While the name and final design for the box and packaging might still be up in the air, the internals appear to have been locked down. KitGuru investigates.
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Initial AMD Fusion designs will work, but the full potential won’t be realised until the end of next year. Based on comments by people like Chekib Akrout, of all the likely designs to be targeted at the XBox 720 product, we think there’s a good chance that it will be the AMD Krishna product. This will be produced on Global Foundries’ 28nm ‘high-k gate first’ process (originally introduced in 2007 by co-inventors IBM, Toshiba and, ironically, Sony). The only real technical challenge for the first XBox 360 consoles was heat/noise, for which the AMD Krishna product could be the answer.

If it is AMD’s Krishna product, then that brings another tantalising possibility to the table. More on that later.

Given how slowly things move in the world of console gaming, we’d expect a new XBox 720 product (assuming no major issues with Global Foundries) to be launched in 2012.

So what do all of think?
Too soon for 2012 or is 2 years enough for Kinect assuming it even last that long?

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on December 02, 2010, 12:59:47 AM
Kinect is apparently doing pretty well. I'm still not convinced it'll be more than a novelty. I do expect 2012 to be when both Microsoft and Sony launch new consoles.

A quick Google search shows AMD rolling out the Fusion series next year with newer models coming in 2012 so I suppose this is a possibility. The rumor just seems a little over-reaching. Would something like this really leak 2 years before Microsoft plans on launching their next console? Doubt it.
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Post by: KDR_11k on December 02, 2010, 03:37:41 AM
I think the long-term viability of Kinect depends on the games that come out for it and so far it looks like third parties are doing the same **** they did on the Wii so MS has to offer a lot if they want to keep Kinect going.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: MaryJane on December 02, 2010, 09:42:02 AM
I really don't think how long the Kinect has been on the market will affect anything, especially if the NeXBoX is compatible or more likely integrated with a Kinect.

Also, the Kinect has sold well, and beyond that, is an evolution in not only gaming, but also in computer interfacing. The next version (or even next major update) of Windows will likely include some sort of Kinect support, and that is where Kinect's real potential lies. Google Kinect hacks if you don't believe me. There are amateurs doing some really cool things with the device, including controlling a computer.

As for the NeXBoX launching in 2012, that seems reasonable since the 360 was first to launch this gen. I imagine it will be even more PC-like with a full Windows OS, cloud-based gaming/saves/other services and have full 3D games that cost $80.
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Post by: ymeegod on December 02, 2010, 10:16:18 AM
$80 games :(  I really doubt this, it will kill the demand if pricing gets that crazy.  Yeah, games in other countries sell for that amount but it would pretty much kill the US market.  Publishers will more likely keep prices down but release "collector's edition and DLC" to make up the difference.

I don't think MS will launch in 2012.  Yes there's enough hardware available to make a more powerful system but can MS assemble it together for a price people can afford?  $400 should be the base price for next generation of consoles, if they market it over that, you'll end up like Sony PS3 early years.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 02, 2010, 11:57:24 AM
Game publishers have started saying that $60 is too much to charge and is just hurting game sales (I know I hate them, I have only bought 2 games for that price and one wasn't worth it). $80 would guarantee that game sales would sharply drop.

I do not want cloud-based services to be the standard. Make it an option, but do NOT have it be the only choice. What happens if my Internet service goes down? I would be screwed and not able to access my saves and other stuff.

I could see the Xbox 3 coming out in 2012, although they may want to hold out and wait until the PlayStation 4 is announced.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2010, 12:23:46 PM
I really don't think how long the Kinect has been on the market will affect anything, especially if the NeXBoX is compatible or more likely integrated with a Kinect.

Also, the Kinect has sold well, and beyond that, is an evolution in not only gaming, but also in computer interfacing. The next version (or even next major update) of Windows will likely include some sort of Kinect support, and that is where Kinect's real potential lies. Google Kinect hacks if you don't believe me. There are amateurs doing some really cool things with the device, including controlling a computer.

As for the NeXBoX launching in 2012, that seems reasonable since the 360 was first to launch this gen. I imagine it will be even more PC-like with a full Windows OS, cloud-based gaming/saves/other services and have full 3D games that cost $80.

Forward Compatibility might be a major reason that MS kept the processor inside of Kinect since if Kinect was dependent on the 3core PowerPC architecture that the 360 uses, then switching to whatever the AMD Fusion II is (x86?) might mess that up. Especially if they manage to emulate BC since that would use up almost every ounce of power the processor has, leaving nothing to process Kinect with..
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on December 02, 2010, 01:34:29 PM
If MS releases this in 2012, what does Nintendo do?  Couldn't you just imagine Nintendo releasing something about on par with the Xbox 360 in 2011 only to get leapfrogged but the Xbox 720 in 2012?  And then it's the same thing with Nintendo a generation behind getting nothing from third parties.  I've realized I don't want Sony or MS to go next gen any time soon because I do not trust Nintendo to keep up.  Nintendo needs two generations in the same span that the competition has one.

But what do they do with the Xbox 720?  Where do you go from here?  We're online, we're in HD, we've got motion control.  How do you top today's graphics and still release a game that can make a profit?  If you don't provide a noticable jump, why would anyone want to upgrade?  Now I know that graphics can be better but how do make a real product with something photo realistic?  We're not even at a point where we have a bunch of games that can't be done on current hardware.  In the past there was always arcade or PC games that the consoles couldn't do that gave us an idea of what the next gen would be like.  Arcades are dead and most PC games are console multiplatform releases anyway.  Consoles are now cutting edge.  There is no future standard we can point to.

This current gen the consoles were too expensive to start with (especially the PS3) and devs are having problems with games having huge budgets and not making a profit.  You go further with that and things will get worse.  You can't charge $80.  No one will buy your game.  You can't nickle and dime us on microtransactions or multiplayer licences.  This is the perfect time to just let things ride as they are.  The PS3 is affordable, devs have gotten used to making HD games.  We cannot afford another jump.

Plus I honestly think that we're at the natural plateau of obvious videogame hardware enhancements.  Our graphics are at a point where things look like they should.  We don't see a bunch of pixelization.  We don't have art in the manual that look way better than the in-game graphics.  We don't have blocky polygons.  It's smooth and it looks great.  The limitation is now in the art design.  The sound is great.  We can have big open areas and lots of characters on screen at once.  We've got hard drives.  We've got online working like one would expect.  We've got downloadable games and DLC.

I think the sheer fact that companies are coming up with motion control or 3D visuals as the justification for new hardware shows how we have peaked.  Those are forced gimmicks.  They're desperate attempts to come up with new hardware because no natural or obvious progression exists.  When you have to come up with some creative outside-the-box idea to be the selling feature of your new hardware, it's over.  We've plateaued.

I fear that the future is either a gimmicks arms race where everyone comes up with silly kooky ideas that interest casuals but lack substance or companies try to push the "more power" idea even further and price their hardware and games out of the market.  Nintendo needs to support modern TVs and have a non-retarded online model and some decent storage space but then we're set.  We don't need to go any further for a long time and Sony and MS have good standards going.  There is always doomsday predictions about another crash but I think the key to that is going for another gen when it is not needed - regardless of whether the justification is lame gimmicks or hardware power overkill.  Any crash will be caused by console makers trying to force products no one wants down our throats.

There is one place where I think things can go further and that is in portables.  I think the logical progression is that eventually portables and consoles are one in the same.  The console technology becomes cheap and small enough to become portable.  It doesn't mean that we only have portables, there is a desire to have your console hook up to your TV and play in your living room.  No, I just see that both consoles and portables co-exist but play the exact same games.  The portable is really just a portable version of the console which has the controller, speakers and screen built in and you, the consumer, get the model that better suits you.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: Ian Sane
We're not even at a point where we have a bunch of games that can't be done on current hardware.  In the past there was always arcade or PC games that the consoles couldn't do that gave us an idea of what the next gen would be like.  Arcades are dead and most PC games are console multiplatform releases anyway.  Consoles are now cutting edge.  There is no future standard we can point to.

That just isn't true. PC games can be far ahead of anything that the consoles are doing, but the real money is in console gaming so most PC projects are scaled to fit the Consoles and not tailored for High End PC's.

Crysis 2 probably won't be the benchmark for Highest of the High End PC like Crysis had been for years after it's release since it's being developed with PS360 in mind.

PC 'a generation ahead' of PS3 and 360, but being held back - Crytek
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=277729
Quote from: Crytek
"As long as the current console generation exists and as long as we keep pushing the PC as well, the more difficult it will be to really get the benefit of both," Yerli told the latest issue of Edge.

"PC is easily a generation ahead right now. With 360 and PS3, we believe the quality of the games beyond Crysis 2 and other CryEngine developments will be pretty much limited to what their creative expressions is, what the content is. You won't be able to squeeze more juice from these rocks."

"I generally think it's still developers' mentality [that is to blame]," he added. "A lot nowadays don't consider PC a big issue any more; their [sales] expectations are nowhere near what they are for the console versions. Until the PC market creates comparable revenues, companies are not going to spend enough on the PC SKU of a game."
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Morari on December 02, 2010, 01:50:20 PM
Shouldn't be be getting new consoles about RIGHT NOW? I mean, these things we have in the store currently are ancient. They're holding games back! :P
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 02, 2010, 02:23:17 PM
I *highly* doubt they would ever call it Xbox 720 - if *anything*, I think they would go with Xbox 1080, for obvious reasons.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 02, 2010, 04:31:43 PM
They can call it "Xbox 720", "Xbox 1080", "Xbox 3", or even "Xbox Sally" for all I care. But whatever they call it, if they're going to continue the Xbox family tradition of charging people to play online then I'm not interested. Period.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on December 02, 2010, 05:04:57 PM
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That just isn't true. PC games can be far ahead of anything that the consoles are doing, but the real money is in console gaming so most PC projects are scaled to fit the Consoles and not tailored for High End PC's.

I guess the question is why is PC gaming not as big as it once was.  Maybe it's because of the focus on consoles so the PC has less exclusives.  But I think a big part of it is because for most people the improvement isn't so obvious.  In the past you saw a game like Doom and you compared it to the SNES and it was damn obvious that the PC was way ahead.
 
But now?  Crysis may not be capable of being ported to the Xbox 360 but it doesn't really look it in screenshots.  It's not WAY better like we had before.  In the past a new console generation was such an obvious leap that one could immediately identify the generation the game was from.  I think the PC market has shrunk because only a small portion of diehards now notice the difference.  Diehards are all interested in poly counts and shading and lighting and framerates.  For most of the world this is just a little bit of polish at best.  What you need are graphics that make the current graphics look ugly and dated.  A new console will be a hard sell if it just makes today's games look slightly less good.
 
And then the alternative is to go with the Wii approach where you have some nifty feature the old system didn't have.  I think Kinect and Move have killed the ability to offer that.  If they were just peripherals why can't Feature X just be the same thing?  Yeah, there may be a good technical reason why and we all know that peripherals don't have the market penetration that a standard feature has.  But most of the world doesn't know that.  If MS releases an Xbox 720 and the graphics are just a little bit better and it has a slightly more responsive Kinect included with it I don't think it will appear to be significant enough to come across as a legitimate upgrade.  It might be a big boost from a technophile's point of view but might still look rinky dink to everyone else.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: MaryJane on December 02, 2010, 08:21:28 PM

I was just joking about $80 games, it was a stretch to go to $60, and I imagine they'll stay at that price for awhile.

But what if the NeXBox only slightly bumps its graphical capabilities, while offering more functionality? Instead of trying to double or triple the graphical power, they offer more reasons to buy an Xbox system?

Giving it a Blu-Ray player, a more capable 3D GPU, and basically making it a PC that connects to a T.V is a good place to start. They could even make PC games and Xbox games one and the same. If developers are focusing more on consoles, but like the freedom of PC, why not make them one system, and who better to do it than the company who makes Windows, the most developed for PC OS. Part of the PC's appeal is to push the graphics, but that is dying out as mentioned by others, and they could make games with the NeXBoX in mind and have its specs as the minimum requirement for their games.

Beyond that, what if MS can bring WoW other MMORPG's, and other PC games together with XBL, and other web services (Facebook, Twitter, other popular Internet TV apps)? Developers could make one game and along with having it playable on two systems, have Facebook and Twitter leader boards? This could even be good for 'casual' games made for Kinect, along with browser based games, and Facebook games. What if MS can join all types of PC gaming together with Xbox gaming? And do it because the next system is powerful enough to do it all.

They could include a wireless mouse and keyboard in the console package alongside their normal controller, and even do like Nintendo does, when showing what controller set-up the person who keeps winning is using to beat you. I know hardcore PC gamers don't like wireless equipment because of ping times, but they're getting better, and would satisfy most people.

MS could also throw full Kinect support for controlling 'smart' appliances around the home (thermostat, coffee maker etc.), syncing with Ford Sync cars, their Hohm energy saving software (it's for your entire home), and other things making the system even more attractive. MS is in heavy talks to bring subscription T.V in through the Xbox console itself, and if they can get a deal done in two years time, the NeXBoX could be the one box to rule them all.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Morari on December 03, 2010, 12:09:40 AM
Part of the PC's appeal is to push the graphics, but that is dying out [...]

The difference in graphics is has only become less noticeable because developers cater to the lowest common denominator; consoles.

That's not the main appeal of PC gaming though. The main appeal is freedom. I can make the game look how I want through tweaking the settings or installing custom texture packs and player models. I can adjust every single little nuanced way my controls handle and use any input device I want (including the Wiimote!). I can prolong the life of a game by years with the help of a healthy modding community, and don't have to pay to download simple map packs. That's the appeal, and always has been. PC gaming is limitless.

I've traditionally owned Sega and, to a lesser extend, Nintendo consoles because they've always had self-produced titles that couldn't be found elsewhere. Good titles that play to the strengths of the their systems. That's not the case with Sony or Microsoft however. They have very little to offer in exchange for the locked down environment they sell. Microsoft has already tried to merge PC gaming into their Xbox fold. Games for Windows Live failed miserably because the PC crowd is more intelligent than that. We don't need to pay for online services... and we certainly don't need the weakened challenge of playing against people with gamepads. :P

PC gaming is doing just fine. Much better than consoles, in fact. You forget that digital distribution isn't included in sales charts. No one takes into account all of those silly flash games either... everything from Bejeweled to Farmville. Everyone owns a computer, and everyone plays games on it to some extent. Why spend hundreds of dollars on an outdated console, that will only play the games that the companies ALLOW you to play, when you could take that money and buy a computer... which will play any game you want, and do thousands of things more? The choice has never been difficult, it's just not marketed well.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 03, 2010, 06:26:22 AM
Um.... I said 'part' of the appeal is in the graphics in what you quoted, and earlier I mentioned developers wanting the 'freedom' of developing on the PC which you elaborated on, and then I made the case for MS making a console that not only allowed you to play their games, but all kinds of PC games as well; flash and otherwise.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 03, 2010, 01:36:36 PM
Crysis may not be capable of being ported to the Xbox 360 but it doesn't really look it in screenshots.  It's not WAY better like we had before

You're blind.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5579/crysis2007102923551468lo2.jpg

Consoles could barely render anything in this screenshot individually, never mind at the same time. You only get levels like that in completely linear games, and even then you don't have as much stuff in the area, which is why Red Dead Redemption worked on consoles, but a game like Crysis never will. It's also why Crysis 2 is set in a city and not in the jungle.

And that's not even as good as you can MAKE it look through some simple .cfg editing and mods.
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Post by: Morari on December 03, 2010, 03:23:53 PM
Um.... I said 'part' of the appeal is in the graphics in what you quoted, and earlier I mentioned developers wanting the 'freedom' of developing on the PC which you elaborated on, and then I made the case for MS making a console that not only allowed you to play their games, but all kinds of PC games as well; flash and otherwise.

I'm aware of that. That's why I only quoted the individual statement. What is sounds like to me however, is that you're advocating an Xbox that simply has a few more features, not a PC with silly social plugins.

Actually, I wish Microsoft weren't so stupid. The basic of idea of something like Games for Windows (not Games for Windows LIVE) could really work. A unified friends list and basic, clearly stated system requirements (like yours Windows Rating) would do a lot to help your average frat-boy migrate away from their console. Of course, do we really want that? I remember ten years ago, you couldn't go anywhere online without hearing about the new mod or map for Quake 3. Nowadays, you're lucky if the developers even give you moderate access tot he SDK, let alone find anyone interested in seriously pursuing the hobby. :(
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
Dirk, in the screenshot I see a bunch of jaggy looking trees.  Now it's a lot of trees and I know that amount of stuff requires some beefy hardware but I'm honestly not very impressed with that screenshot.  It looks nice and all but it isn't like when you compare an N64 game to a Gamecube game or an NES game to a Super Nintendo game.  The improvement is subtle.

If MS tried to sell us a brand new console with those graphics being the big hook it would be a hard sell.  Most of the world would not give a **** or even notice the difference.  That's the point.  It has to be night-and-day "HOLY **** LOOK AT THIS" stuff to be seen as a real update.  I honestly think we're at a point where to truly impress the average Joe with graphics it would have to look like Gollum in Lord of the Rings.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 04, 2010, 08:26:37 AM
@Morari

So basically, even though you knew it wasn't my argument, you had an agenda and used an irrelevant part of what I said to push it.

Also, I pretty plainly said in the post you quoted last, that I was saying MS should make an open console for their NeXBoX, whose additional features include silly social applications, along with all other types of games you can play on the PC simply because it connects to the internet.

@Ian

The jump between Xbox(1) and 360 wasn't that great. But what it did do was allow for smoother polygons, larger worlds, more interaction, and more things actively happening on screen. Having played Crysis on a laptop that could handle Far Cry 2, it slowed down to the point where I could no longer play it on the very first explosion because of how detailed and realistic it was, and I doubt any concole could have replicated the detail and size of that explosion. From a developers stand point graphical power is about a lot more than pretty pictures, it is the limit to what they can accomplish for the game overall.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 04, 2010, 09:32:30 AM
The jump between XBox and 360 is huge. It's not just about graphics, it's about what the systems are capable of. Xbox - 733Mhz Intel Celeron processor, Xbox 360 - triple core 3.2Ghz IBM PowerPC processor.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 04, 2010, 10:15:37 AM
It's not just about graphics, it's about what the systems are capable of.


From a developers stand point graphical power is about a lot more than pretty pictures, it is the limit to what they can accomplish for the game overall.


I suppose I should have said the jump between Xboxes wasn't visually that great, but I thought the rest of my post explained that...
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Post by: SixthAngel on December 05, 2010, 04:44:14 AM
Ian is right, the difference in graphics has become less noticable.  There is a difference but its just not as big as it used to be.  I don't know how you guys can even argue this since part of the basis of the Wii was the diminishing returns from improved power and they have been proven right.

If MS releases this in 2012, what does Nintendo do?  Couldn't you just imagine Nintendo releasing something about on par with the Xbox 360 in 2011 only to get leapfrogged but the Xbox 720 in 2012?  And then it's the same thing with Nintendo a generation behind getting nothing from third parties.  I've realized I don't want Sony or MS to go next gen any time soon because I do not trust Nintendo to keep up.  Nintendo needs two generations in the same span that the competition has one.

This current gen the consoles were too expensive to start with (especially the PS3) and devs are having problems with games having huge budgets and not making a profit.  You go further with that and things will get worse.

You basically answer your own question.  Nintendo will watch the opposition burn to the ground and then build something affordable on their ashes.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 06, 2010, 05:24:43 PM
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The jump between Xbox(1) and 360 wasn't that great. But what it did do was allow for smoother polygons, larger worlds, more interaction, and more things actively happening on screen. Having played Crysis on a laptop that could handle Far Cry 2, it slowed down to the point where I could no longer play it on the very first explosion because of how detailed and realistic it was, and I doubt any concole could have replicated the detail and size of that explosion. From a developers stand point graphical power is about a lot more than pretty pictures, it is the limit to what they can accomplish for the game overall.

I am aware of that.  Actually I used such arguments back when the Wii was launched and there was a lot of discussion about the Wii hardware and whether or not it should have been more powerful.  Just the sheer fact that that discussion even existed last gen suggests that most people would not notice a jump to the Xbox 720.  When this gen started the busy topics were that the Xbox 360 and PS3 didn't really offer anything their predecessors couldn't do and that the Wii, despite being a glorified repackaged Gamecube, was a real step up because it offered a new controller.  When the hell did this sort of attitude every exist in videogame history prior to that?  With NES->SNES->N64->Gamecube no sane or intelligent person ever suggested that it wasn't a real step up or that they could not tell the difference.  But it was common at the start of this gen, REALLY common.
 
It's never been about you or me noticing the difference, it's about the general public and this gen the general public bought the refurbished Gamecube.  And even though I can see the obvious difference in hardware, the PS3 doesn't feel that much different to me.  It doesn't stand out like the previous generations did.  I like the PS3 because it has good games developed for it and the games look nice.  But other than that the beefed up hardware isn't improving games in that big of a way (and neither is motion control).  I mean it IS an improvement but not like the big jump we had in previous generations.  It's been very incremental and that makes it a hard sell.  I can think of ideas that would require some really impressive hardware, but those ideas are so ambitious that they also require huge budgets and development time.  Such games cannot be common.  The market just isn't there.
 
This gen was a hard sell, next gen will be even harder.  It's really just that simple.
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Post by: Morari on December 06, 2010, 05:40:17 PM
I think that this generation of consoles is noticeably better than last though, even to the general public. It may not obviously be the case with the Gamecube/Wii, but it is with the Xbox/360 and especially the decrepit PS2 and its shiny new PS3 equivalent. Furthermore, I can show you plenty of PC games that are noticeably better than consoles currently are.

I think that a lot of the problem has more to do with art direction than anything. Every game that comes out is striving for the same bland realistic look... that doesn't help people to differentiate them at all. I don't think that this hardware plateau is necessarily at a standstill yet. Consoles have always held on until their graphics simply could not make due any longer. The problem however is that the Wii is already there. Too often I find myself staring at a Wii game and thinking that the GameCube looked better in a lot of ways. If Nintendo wants to continue to create this soft, round, cartoony graphics, then they really need to work on their anti-aliasing and get rid of the jaggies that absolutely plague even flagship titles like Super Mairo Galaxy.

The best graphical improvements aren't always noticeable, after all. ;)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 06, 2010, 05:51:51 PM
The best graphical improvements aren't always noticeable, after all. ;)

This is true, and it's the problem. Most of the advantages new hardware would provide (and they are significant) aren't immediately obvious. People aren't going to be willing to spend that much money without seeing a major difference.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 06, 2010, 06:34:59 PM
Personally, I think the Wii has decent graphics. Its not as good as the competition, obviously, but its good enough for me. The thing I have a problem with is when games like COD: Black Ops have to cut out a bunch of features because of RAM and other limitations. Black Ops on the Wii is fine to me in a graphical sense, but I hate that it lacks things like Killcams and other features that can't be included simply because the hardware can't handle it.

Graphics may be something where there isn't much more room for improvement, but I think we are far from reaching the point where there isn't room to improve the hardware specs for things like increasing enemies on screen, improving the AI, and so on and so forth.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kytim89 on December 06, 2010, 07:22:38 PM
I am speculating that Nintendo is hoping that the market will drive down the price of HD development as much as possible in the next two years to make transitioning to that scale of graphics as cheap and easy as possible for them to make games. Also, Nintendo is in the best position financially to release a new home console. I would compare what Nintendo is going to do with the Wii 2 to what Microsoft did with the 360 in 2005. This is why I am betting that a Wii 2 announcement will happen at E3 2011 and a release some time in 2012.
 
Some one mentioned before how the gaming industry has platued in the graphics department, and it has done this. However, by Nintendo still having enough potential to expand into the same areas as its competitors with its next home console seems in a way to give a fresh coat of paint on the industry once again if Nintendo does things the right way.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 06, 2010, 08:00:39 PM
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I think that a lot of the problem has more to do with art direction than anything. Every game that comes out is striving for the same bland realistic look... that doesn't help people to differentiate them at all. I don't think that this hardware plateau is necessarily at a standstill yet. Consoles have always held on until their graphics simply could not make due any longer. The problem however is that the Wii is already there. Too often I find myself staring at a Wii game and thinking that the GameCube looked better in a lot of ways. If Nintendo wants to continue to create this soft, round, cartoony graphics, then they really need to work on their anti-aliasing and get rid of the jaggies that absolutely plague even flagship titles like Super Mairo Galaxy.

I agree that art direction is probably a big part of it.  I see the Wii as an exception though.  The Wii more or less needed new hardware the day it was released.  There is no doubt in my mind that Nintendo needs new hardware.  The idea of consoles hanging on until their graphic simply can not make do any longer is sound.  I would consider the Wii as no longer able to make do but the other consoles being able to hold on longer.
 
I think my biggest concern is the price.  Even if they can make a better console with noticeably better graphics, what will it cost at launch?  The PS3 took years to reach a reasonable price point.  A $600 console doesn't fly.  We know that.  If MS can give us a decent sized hardware boost on a console that costs $300 with games that cost no more than $60 and they don't have to take a huge loss to do this, then bring on the next gen.  I figure they're going to go for either a very minor jump or they'll go for a bigger one and price it too high.  If it takes a few more years for the tech to become affordable then I think it makes sense to wait.
 
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Personally, I think the Wii has decent graphics. Its not as good as the competition, obviously, but its good enough for me.

"Good enough" is probably the ideal way I would describe it.  Nintendo's graphics appear to aim for the bare minimum.  They're as pretty as they need to be and nothing more.  If they were the slightest bit uglier they would be unacceptable.  Nintendo aims to get a passing grade on their test and nothing more.  They are a solid C student.  I think the Wii is capable of better but few devs are interested in pushing it.  Good Feel is, from a visual standpoint, the most impressive Wii developer.
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Post by: Morari on December 06, 2010, 08:11:09 PM
I think my biggest concern is the price.  Even if they can make a better console with noticeably better graphics, what will it cost at launch?  The PS3 took years to reach a reasonable price point.  A $600 console doesn't fly.  We know that.  If MS can give us a decent sized hardware boost on a console that costs $300 with games that cost no more than $60 and they don't have to take a huge loss to do this, then bring on the next gen.

Sony bogged their machine down with a lot of needless crap, such as Blu-Ray and the Cell processor. Had they gone a more conventional route, their machine would have been cheaper, and would be more impressive in the long run. Hell, they might still be holding the #1 spot even. Their FUD helped them fight off the Dreamcast, but it doesn't seem to have done much to help them this generation.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 07, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
You do realize that the PS3 having BluRay is what helped win the format war with HD DVD and more importantly Sony is the leading manufacturer of BluRay discs. The PS3 is by far the best Blu Ray player on the market, and offers the best 3D gaming(on a console) because of that cell processor so I don't know where you get this notion of 'needless crap'.

One reason for MS to release a new console in 2012 is so they can keep up with the PS3. 3D is still a niche, but just like HD will soon become an industry standard. I know there are movie directors who artistically refuse to use 3D, but there were also directors who artistically refused to use sound and color when those technologies came out.

Another thing is, with games like Killzone 3 and LBP 2, Sony is starting to show what that cell processor is capable of when it is being used properly and not in a multiplatform box. The cell is by no means done, and Sony is the only console maker whose system can go for ten years, because of how advanced it is, and because of as we're saying, the jump in graphics is getting smaller. Nintendo and MS's next systems will be at the very best only slightly (i.e not very noticeably) better than the PS3, and they may even in have Blu Ray drives, making Sony even more money. Sony went with a long term strategy, something I confess I thought was stupid at first, but taking gaming trends, and even the arguments in this thread, it looks like it might work out for them. When Wii2 and NeXBoX come out, Sony can still toot its own horn for having the largest userbase and still being able to carry multiplatform games. If either MS or Nintendo were to try the superpower route, developers could be turned off by high development costs and low userbase, as sales would be as slow as the PS3's initially were.

I still say MS would be best suited making a 'gaming PC' console; make it affordable and/or feature rich, with an open approach to development and playing nontraditional PC games without paying for them, like Facebook games, etc.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 07, 2010, 12:40:51 PM
The problem with a "gaming PC" idea is that there is a reason that both PC and console games exist.  Consoles are controlled environments, PCs are anarchy.  Those two concepts are incompatible and for PC and console gamers that's largely the deciding factor.  A console gamer wants standardized hardware where he knows everything is compatible and it's all plug and play with no fussing around.  A PC gamer is willing to give up the standardized hardware to have control and be able to tweak and customize and mod.

You can't have both so I don't think such a model would appear to anyone.  Or it would just end up being a console.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 07, 2010, 01:45:28 PM
The other thing about a closed console is the manufacturer collects licensing fees from everyone that develops on the system.

If MS made a system that openly accepted PC and Xbox games (XboxPC) then either they would have to charge every developer that wants their game to be compatible with the XBPC a licensing fee or most other developers would just say their game is a PC game and avoid paying licensing fees altogether.

You can't have both regardless of how good it sounds in your head. It just wouldn't work from a behind the scenes business perspective.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Morari on December 07, 2010, 04:59:57 PM
You do realize that the PS3 having BluRay is what helped win the format war with HD DVD and more importantly Sony is the leading manufacturer of BluRay discs. The PS3 is by far the best Blu Ray player on the market, and offers the best 3D gaming(on a console) because of that cell processor so I don't know where you get this notion of 'needless crap'.

Because Blu-Ray is needless crap? I didn't mix words. :P

The PS3 didn't tip the scales for Blu-Ray. Sony's willingness to take it in the ass from the likes of Disney is what tips the scales. Content providers like to maintain control over everything, and Blu-Ray provided them with a more cumbersome form of DRM than HD-DVD.

In terms of a gaming console, Blu-Ray is definitely "needless crap", just like this 3D gimmick that's sweeping films and games. Sony hasn't really done much at all to show off the Cell processor. They designed a poor gaming machine, it's as simple as that. The PS2 sold far longer than it should have, despite looking like complete ass in comparison to everything else (GameCube, Dreamcast, Xbox), so ten years doesn't seem too far fetched for the PS3.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 07, 2010, 06:46:41 PM
With a gaming PC console MS brings together its two gaming platforms. Developers already make games for both Windows and Xbox, and with a gaming PC console developers would no longer need to spend money developing for both. Microsoft would be able to basically offer them two markets to sell their one game.

The other factor is that with the introduction of things like Google, Apple, and internet-enabled TV it is obvious people want to use their TVs as their computer screen and a gaming PC console would further bring those things together. MS is competing with Google and Apple in the computer world, and the computer world is moving to the TV and MS as a maker of the most popular computer OS and most popular 'hardcore' console is in a good position to bring TV and PC together in a bigger way than they already do.

I mentioned before that MS is looking to bring in 'cable' TV directly through the 360. The NeXBoX could be an all in one system (as in one box, one remote, or no remote with Kinect) with cable TV, hardcore gaming, internet, and browser based games. MS could even use PC parts and allow user-upgradeable graphics cards for those who want it. They could be NeXBoX certified to make their architecture is compatible, but also, the minimum requirements for the games would still be the base level NeXBoX. MS would be missing a big opportunity if they don't try what Sony is trying to with the PSPhone and PSPTablet and bring their different divisions together.

@Morari:
BluRay might not be all that important to gaming but it is for movies. BluRay gaming was supposed to allow ridiculously massive games, but developers have not been willing to take that risk, yet. And I garuntee you 3D is not a fad, the movie studios are pushing it, movie goers love it, and eventually every movie will be in 3D. And you're right, the cell hasn't been properly shown off, yet. What you see as needless crap I see as future proofing. The cell too powerful, BluRay too large but maybe will be good next-gen where PS3 is still relevant.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Stogi on December 07, 2010, 07:01:39 PM
I think Microsoft would be stupid to upgrade their hardware that soon especially since they just released a new console upgrade and the kinect.

As for Nintendo, I think they'll continue to do what ever the hell they want until real stiff competition shows up (i.e. Apple) or if the Kinect or Move actually do well.
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Post by: Morari on December 07, 2010, 07:15:49 PM
And I garuntee you 3D is not a fad, the movie studios are pushing it, movie goers love it, and eventually every movie will be in 3D.

3D films have always been a fad. The fad comes and goes every decade. The movie studios are pushing it because they make more money off of it. Sony makes movies. Sony makes televisions. Sony stands to gain from forcing everyone to spend massive amounts of money of 3D films and 3D televisions. It's all junk, and a lot of people think so. Movie goers don't necessary love it, they just don't have much of a choice in the matter. More often than now, I see people in the theater not wearing their 3D glasses. Why? It gives them a headache and doesn't actually add anything extra to 99% of the films presented. The day that every film is in 3D is the day I gouge my eyes out. Modern films are already laughable enough without being bogged down with gimmicks like 3D glasses.

As for the future proofing of the PS3... That is, at best, a very optimistic way of looking at things. Being a generation ahead doesn't really matter if it can't be utilized until the next generation. In the mean time, it's sapping resources away from presenting the best they can in the here and now. Of course, knowing Sony, they're probably more concerned with stripping advertised features (like Other OS) out of their console, or installing rootkits on the PC of anyone that buys a Sony-produced music CD.
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Post by: Stogi on December 07, 2010, 07:23:20 PM
The idea of 3D isn't a fad, but maybe glasses wearing 3D is a fad.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 07, 2010, 07:24:54 PM
my friend has been playing the new Assassins Creed game on his 360 and it looks ridiculous, i think even if the next nintendo system was only par with current hardware heavyweights that the graphics threshold might have been reached, at least for a while. It might be hard to tell the difference between games on a way better system and games on a weaker system. It might be harder to make games look even better than they look now. The time and energy required is staggering.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 07, 2010, 11:03:59 PM
I've never tried it, but I though that if someone watches a 3D movie without the glasses all they see is a blurry image? I can't imagine that being very enjoyable.

3D is not a fad because it is now affordable. Studios can do it without much financial risk, people can afford the TVs and PCs in their homes, and gaming systems are capable of broadcasting it, even on a portable. That is the only reason 3D hasn't taken off in the past; the prohibitive cost.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 07, 2010, 11:24:05 PM
I think Unagi's got it right: it's not going to really take off until you don't need the glasses. Content owners will push it, but won't gain much traction outside of the captive audience of theaters until then.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 08, 2010, 06:05:47 AM
after they are done pushing 3d then they'll start pushing holograms and then we'll call that 3d
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 08, 2010, 07:16:35 AM
3D with glasses is very uncomfortable if you wear glasses and sometimes if you wear contacts.  3D is pretty cool, but it is limited.  I am curious to see how glasses-less 3D might shake up the industry...but I still think 3D is a fad that really doesn't add much to the overall experience.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 08, 2010, 10:20:51 AM
3D is not a fad because it is now affordable. Studios can do it without much financial risk, people can afford the TVs and PCs in their homes, and gaming systems are capable of broadcasting it, even on a portable. That is the only reason 3D hasn't taken off in the past; the prohibitive cost.

It is still not affordable. A decent 3D TV still costs around $1,000 (with great TVs being around $1,500). People put up with the glasses because they have too, I don't know anyone who likes having to wear glasses just to watch a movie. Many people have only recently upgraded to HDTV's, I doubt they would be willing to go out and make a substantial purchase just to be able to add 3D.

As it has already been mentioned, movie studios love 3D because they can charge more, an average movie ticket costs $10 (although I have never paid that much in my local theatres) while the 3D version costs $15. Why do you think movies like The Last Airbender and Alice in Wonderland had 3D slapped on at the last minute? They saw the success of Avatar and wanted that extra money from 3D. With 3D TV's still pretty new, it will be many years before it becomes common and by then it is possible that studios won't even be interested in it.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 08, 2010, 12:20:24 PM
I seriously think 3D will be dead in five years.  The 3DS might throw a monkey wrench into that prediction but it also might actually hasten the demise of the 3D fad as it will get people used to no glasses, which the TVs probably won't be able to do.

3D was popular in the 50's, then the 80's and now the present day in 2010.  Notice those are all about 30 years apart?  It's almost like once a generation they bring this gimmick back to impress the people who weren't born yet when the previous fad was on.  The novelty wears off, the fad dies, and then they wait 30 years for a new generation to be temporarily dazzled.

What people want is virtual reality.  They want the holodeck.  The problem is the step between watching a screen and being in the movie or game is a huge jump.  So in the space between we get 3D glasses and inaccurate motion control.  Nobody really wants those things but they can't have their holodeck so they have to go with the closest thing which is usually pretty half-baked and lame.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 08, 2010, 01:07:39 PM
It is still not affordable. A decent 3D TV still costs around $1,000 (with great TVs being around $1,500).
You don't find it all contradictory to say they aren't affordable, and then say they cost less than HDTV's did when they started booming?
I seriously think 3D will be dead in five years.  The 3DS might throw a monkey wrench into that prediction but it also might actually hasten the demise of the 3D fad as it will get people used to no glasses, which the TVs probably won't be able to do.
Actually, the 3DS is proof that 3D is here to stay. The most popular system EVER is going to incorporate the tech, and you don't think that bodes well?

Also, they already have autostereoscopic TVs: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/03/philips-dimenco-3d-tv-of-the-glasses-free-future-hopefully-our/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/03/philips-dimenco-3d-tv-of-the-glasses-free-future-hopefully-our/)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/04/toshiba-regza-gl1-wants-you-to-put-down-the-glasses-enjoy-the-3/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/04/toshiba-regza-gl1-wants-you-to-put-down-the-glasses-enjoy-the-3/)

Obviously, the tech is still burgeoning, but it will improve over a short span of time, and become the standard. And even beyond that, people are willing to, and do pay for 3D that requires glasses in their homes, so this will take off as well.

Why do you suppose so many companies are jumping on the 3D bandwagon? To throw money away? No. It is because despite the limited 3D content out there, people are still buying 3D TVs and Blu-Ray players. ESPN has a 3D channel, and while they currently only show one game a week in 3D, consider the fact that ESPN is part of Disney, which also owns ABC. The sports arena is an obvious testing phase before shows like No Ordinary Family on ABC, and the Wizards of Waverly Place on Disney(?) are also shown in 3D. Plain and simply, 3D is cool, and now that it can be placed affordably in homes, it is going to grow.

In the 50's and 80's very few movies were shown in 3D, while in 2010, I think something like 1/3 of movies have the 3D option. Yes, tacked on 3D sucks, but movies filmed from the beginning for the purpose of 3D will push the tech.

And yes, people want holograms, and guess what; that technology isn't really all that far away either. I would ten years at the MOST before holographic projectors start showing up in people's homes.


3D is beginning this generation just like HDTVs began, slowly and with little content. Now look, everything is in HD, and people use the term HD for things that aren't even in HD. That's how it goes, once affordable, it is popular and everyone makes content for it.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 08, 2010, 01:17:34 PM
HDTVs started booming when they got below $1,000 (and really when they got down to around $500). I haven't even seen a 3DTV for less than $1,000, yet alone a good one. Hell, HDTV's only this year became available in most US homes (a study in April showed about 53% of US homes have one, although only 47% actually get a HD signal).

It is not affordable yet, and all those people who just got their first HDTV in the last few years is not gonna go out and make another $1,000+ purchase just to add a little 3D content. Right now a 3D TV is still a major investment.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 08, 2010, 02:41:30 PM
You are absolutely wrong. The boom in HDTVs is what brought the price down to $1,000, and that only happened within the last 18 months or so. Early last year HDTV saturation was at about 35% and now a Google search will tell you that it's anywhere from 56-65%. And there about 116 million household in the U.S just for reference.

Those people who bought an HDTV in the last few years ARE going to be willing to make another $1,000 purchase in the next few years.

America is the land of over-indulgence and "keeping up with the Jonse's" it is wrong to assume a family would be unwilling to buy two TVs in a matter of 4-6 years, especially when next year 3DTVs are certain to be big part of 2011 Black Friday/Cyber Monday/holiday shopping.

And your point about only 46% of US homes receiving an HD signal proves my point; lack of content is not a hinderance to purchase. Those 9-19% of people with no HD signal through their cable provider either have BluRay or are just simply enjoying widescreen TV. Most 3DTV owners are probably just viewing the demo disc their TV came with or the few 3D BluRays they can buy. For now, the point of the purchase is being 'hip' and having the privilege of bragging about the lack of 3D content to people who don't have your level of perceived luxury.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 08, 2010, 03:06:25 PM
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Why do you suppose so many companies are jumping on the 3D bandwagon?

Aside from Nintendo, it's to sell TVs.  The move to HD created this sort of frenzy where everyone bought a new TV.  I'm like the only person I know who doesn't have one.  But people don't buy something like a TV very often, or at least they don't normally have any need to.  You buy a new TV when the old one breaks or something major like color TV or HDTV comes out that gives you justification for upgrading.  The TV manufacturers know that once everyone has an HDTV then sales will diminish.  They have to come up with some new justification for buying a TV and 3D is their answer.  And if it works in a few years they'll come up with some other dumb gimmick to sell TVs.  They want people to buy a new TV every couple of years and can't do that without some sort of new feature that makes the old TVs obsolete.
 
For Nintendo it's the same strategy with the DS and Wii where they use some gimmick feature to attract casuals.  I'm not crapping on the 3DS for it has useful improvements as well like the analog stick and the beefed up specs.  But they need a shiny novelty to get rubes to buy it.  3D is currently popular and is eye-catching so that's what they went with.  And when they release the successor to the 3DS it too will have some sort of gimmick as well.
 
In fact you could look at the current 3DTV push the same as you can look at the future of consoles.  Nintendo has introduced the gimmick as the justification for an otherwise unnecessary new product (without the remote what use would there be to go from Cube to Wii?)  That's what TV manufacturers are doing and that's probably what console makers will do as the hardware improvement becomes less significant.
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Post by: Morari on December 08, 2010, 04:16:01 PM
Actually, the 3DS is proof that 3D is here to stay. The most popular system EVER is going to incorporate the tech, and you don't think that bodes well?

Isn't that what they said about the VirtualBoy? :P
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Post by: MaryJane on December 08, 2010, 06:39:42 PM
What world do you live in Ian?

Where was the gimmick in the SNES, N64, and GC? Where is the gimmick that got people to move from Xbox to 360 and PS2 to PS3? It was simply new/more powerful technology.

Before 3DTV, manufacturers were touting their improvements to HD, like 120Hz refresh rate, and more accurate reproduction of colors.

After 3D it will be 4k (which is broadcasting 4 1080p signals onto seperate quadrants of one screen) and after that it will be holographs.

Yes companies are always trying to find new ways to sell their wares, but they do so on the back of new and/or recently affordable technology.

For how freaking long were manufacturers able to make money on CRT TVs before HDTVs came out? How did they do so? By coming up with better color, bigger screens, and better picture. Same as they are doing now.

I can't believe I even have to say this, but Nintendo went with the Wiimote to attract casual gamers. The enticement for GC owners was new Nintendo games, just as it always was, but after the kiddy labeling, that wasn't enough for PS boys, so Nintendo said F them let's find ourselves some new gamers, gamers who don't listen to gaming analysts and forum trolls, and they did so.

And let's be real the Virtual Boy suffered from a lot of things, namely method of use. Who wants to literally blinded to the rest of the world when playing videogames? I remember demoing one at Toys R Us and promptly getting kicked in the leg by a friend who didn't bother to run because I couldn't tell which of my friends did it. Also, being completely in red didn't help. The VB was too ambitious, just like 3D movies in the 50's and 80's.
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Post by: Stogi on December 08, 2010, 07:03:26 PM
3DTV's suck right now. It's not like HDTV's where walking into Best Buy basically made your jaw drop and the little kid inside us all cried when we saw the debilitating price tag. 3DTV's aren't there yet. Once we can go into a store and see **** popping out all over the place, then will we cry inside all over again.

That is why I just don't get the push right now. Glasses aren't the future. It's ok for a theater because it seems kinda neat. It's like everyone getting a life jacket when going on a booze cruise. It's fun, even if slightly annoying.

Ian has that Vancouver mentality where he could give a **** about TV in general. Who needs a TV when I can smoke a joint on the way to a jazz bar? But for the rest of us (e.g. those of us who have 'movie night' or something equivalent), we quietly tap the floor with our foot waiting for grand entertainment technologies to become affordable. And 3DTV's are what we are waiting for next.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 08, 2010, 07:52:07 PM
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What world do you live in Ian?

Where was the gimmick in the SNES, N64, and GC? Where is the gimmick that got people to move from Xbox to 360 and PS2 to PS3? It was simply new/more powerful technology.

The new/more powerful technology was sufficient so no gimmick was necessary.  But from the Cube to the Wii a gimmick was needed because the boost was so minor.  It didn't have to be, Nintendo chose for it to be like that.  But I think that's what we'll see more of in the future as the benefits of improved hardware become less obvious to consumers so a gimmick will be needed to justify a next gen.
 
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Ian has that Vancouver mentality where he could give a **** about TV in general. Who needs a TV when I can smoke a joint on the way to a jazz bar?

Yeah, but all those people I know who own an HDTV also live in Vancouver.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 08, 2010, 08:23:16 PM
Ian is right.  This is why Google and Apple are pushing internet TV...where you can watch youtube and other flash video services on the television...or stream your digital movies to your television.  They are trying to sell more TVs and devices that are not needed by most of the people using televisions. 

3D has the wow factor and immediate understanding of improvement over the regular television, but it really adds little to nothing to the overall quality of show, and in fact sometimes it hurts the quality. The Last Airbender is proof of that. 

So why is everyone so desperate to push this as the big breakthrough?  Money.

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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 08, 2010, 08:32:58 PM
Guys Gimmicks are not actually a bad thing.  Gimmicks are neutral.  They are the device that makes a product: fun, unique, interesting, or whatnot.

It is whether the gimmick is worthwhile and actually interesting whether or not it is a good.  Gimmicks are common lingo in the commercial world.

Lets look at some things that can be considered Gimmicks and what worked or didn't work:

Fludd: From Super Mario Sunshine was a gimmick.  Mario was given a backpack.  It mostly works, but in the end, was unnecessary and I would say wasn't a great addition to the series.

Sphere Platforming:  Super Mario Galaxy:  This is a huge gimmick, but an amazing gimmick that works.  It created a completely new play experience.

Youtube on televisions is a gimmick...why do I need it?  Cool?  Maybe but pointless.

OnStar for your car...Gimmick to buy a car...and not necessary...but it does provide a service people like.

Gimmicks are basically everywhere and yes the Wiis motion control was a gimmick.  A very fine awesome gimmick that mostly works. 
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Post by: Stogi on December 08, 2010, 08:33:08 PM
Using Last Airbender as a 3D example isn't fair to 3D.

Listen, all I'm saying is this and only this. Cover one eye with your hand. Then don't. How is that not better?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 08, 2010, 09:30:06 PM
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Actually, the 3DS is proof that 3D is here to stay. The most popular system EVER is going to incorporate the tech, and you don't think that bodes well?

That's a funny statement because I think I know what you're trying to say but it didn't come out clearly.

At this point, the 3DS is proof that 3D is now affordable. Nothing more.
I assume your "most popular" statement was in reference to the DS brand and not the 3DS itself since the 3DS isn't even out yet and couldn't possibly be proof of success(of 3D) much less the title holder of "most popular".
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 09, 2010, 04:09:58 AM
Speaking of 3D, there was something on the news awhile back about the 3D glasses they use in the theaters, and they did tests on them and found fecal matter and all kinds of germs and bacteria on them. It was disgusting. Who would want to put something like that on their face and wear it for 2+ hours? Certainly not me. I will wait until the 3D is built into the screens and doesn't require the glasses.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 09, 2010, 05:07:42 AM
The Last Airbender is a PERFECT example.  Because as we start pushing head long into the 3D world where everything must be 3D people are going to force budget 3D on us.  Force filmed shows to be converted to 3D and it is not going to work.  3D works when done well...but it is not always done well...in fact it is usually done poorly...and even when it is done well you have problems with it making people sick or giving them headaches.  Now that IS with glasses, but I think it will be similar without glasses and even Nintendo is worried about that. 
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Post by: MaryJane on December 09, 2010, 11:15:19 AM
Something like 10% of the population gets sick watching 3D, and yes Nintendo is worried about, and that is why they have a slider to turn it off.

Whoever said they don't want to put on the glasses at theaters, great don't do it. Millions of people do it every weekend, and also use similarly filthy bathrooms in those same movie theaters. Also, exposure to various forms of bacteria is good for you, it helps build your immune system, and keep it from getting lazy. Not saying actively seek it out, but it's also not the end of the world, or even the end of your health.

@Ian: You also alleged that 3D was a gimmick to push the new DS. Yet the 3DS is plenty more powerful, so your argument is still moot. Also, the 3D is probably to further differentiate from the PSP line, which is going to incorporate touch controls and cameras, which set the DS/DSi apart before.

@BnM: Yes, but I actually meant Nintendo's whole line portable products. I actually think if only for the sake of record keeping and boasting, they should have kept the Gameboy name since that 3rd pillar thing didn't pan out, but maybe they'll still surprise us with a portable GC that also has a GB/C/A port. Edit: I said it bodes well, not that it was proof of success.

Forced 3D sucks of course, just like upscaling SD and even 720p to 1080p isn't always a smooth transition. Current 3DTVs (badly) upscale 2D content into 3D, so by the 'logic' of the doubters, obviously 3D is doomed, instead of the obvious indication that the push is proof of concept. Movies are no longer tacking on 3D (expect big things from The Hobbit and those RED Epic cameras) because they can now plan ahead, instead of retroactively because now every knows its here to stay.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 09, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
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Ian: You also alleged that 3D was a gimmick to push the new DS. Yet the 3DS is plenty more powerful, so your argument is still moot.

Well I never said the 3DS isn't a significant upgrade to the DS, but the 3D aspect of it is still a gimmick.  Come for the 3D, stay for the analog stick and improved specs.  The 3D part is the novelty that grabs your attention but thankfully the 3DS will also be a worthwhile follow-up even if it didn't have 3D.  I think the 3DS would sell with core gamers from the hardware boost alone but having a gimmick is necessary to attract the casuals.  And as technology improves less and less people will notice the hardware increases so gimmicks will become more necessary.  To sell an Xbox 720 I think MS needs something that makes it stand out more.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 09, 2010, 12:18:11 PM
@BnM: Yes, but I actually meant Nintendo's whole line portable products. I actually think if only for the sake of record keeping and boasting, they should have kept the Gameboy name since that 3rd pillar thing didn't pan out, but maybe they'll still surprise us with a portable GC that also has a GB/C/A port. Edit: I said it bodes well, not that it was proof of success.
Just to clarify;

I actually quoted exactly what you said in my post. you said "the 3DS is proof that 3D is here to stay."
but it's not out yet and hasn't succeeded yet, so it's not really proof of anything other than 3D is now affordable.

as far as that boding well for 3D, well it's the best thing 3D has going for it at a consumer level in the near future, but it still isn't proof that 3D is here to stay since once again the 3DS isn't even out yet and therefore isn't successful... yet.


As far as TV & movies are concerned, 3DTV's have been selling like crap AFAIK even though 3D movies (being actually shot in 3D) is on the rise. But also isn't proof that 3D movies are here to stay, it just means that shooting movies in 3D is very popular right now thanks to Avatar and we should expect to see more movies in proper 3D over the next few years than ever before when there was a 3D boom in effect. Between those movies, 3DTV advancements and the 3DS (3D cellphones on the way too), we have yet to see if 3D is here to stay, but the odds are definitely stacked in it's favor this time.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 09, 2010, 12:24:22 PM
You are absolutely wrong. The boom in HDTVs is what brought the price down to $1,000, and that only happened within the last 18 months or so. Early last year HDTV saturation was at about 35% and now a Google search will tell you that it's anywhere from 56-65%. And there about 116 million household in the U.S just for reference.

Those people who bought an HDTV in the last few years ARE going to be willing to make another $1,000 purchase in the next few years.

America is the land of over-indulgence and "keeping up with the Jonse's" it is wrong to assume a family would be unwilling to buy two TVs in a matter of 4-6 years, especially when next year 3DTVs are certain to be big part of 2011 Black Friday/Cyber Monday/holiday shopping.

And your point about only 46% of US homes receiving an HD signal proves my point; lack of content is not a hinderance to purchase. Those 9-19% of people with no HD signal through their cable provider either have BluRay or are just simply enjoying widescreen TV. Most 3DTV owners are probably just viewing the demo disc their TV came with or the few 3D BluRays they can buy. For now, the point of the purchase is being 'hip' and having the privilege of bragging about the lack of 3D content to people who don't have your level of perceived luxury.

Sorry, but you are wrong. HDTV's have been under $1,000 for a few years now, and that is when the boom started. You don't realize how many people only upgraded to HDTV because their old TV's were 10-15 years old. Assuming 3D TV's aren't just a fad, I think it will be several years before they are not just niche products.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 10, 2010, 04:29:56 AM
I don't think you can even buy standard definition TVs anymore (not counting used ones at garage sales or whatever). So when a TV breaks or parents decide to buy one for Billy's room they go to the store and what they come with is HD, because that's all there is anymore, and they are now at the same price ranges the old SD TVs used to be. Some really tiny ones may be as low as $100.

3D TVs are no where near at that point yet. Right now they are probably at the point HD TVs were 5 years ago. Give them another 5 years and by then they may become the new standard.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 10, 2010, 06:08:33 AM
The only real reason why HD televisions were more expensive than standard definition for awhile was because television companies wanted the additional profits from preceived value.  It is also the only reason the 3DS will cost $300.00 because of preceived value.  That leak about Nitnendo changing the price after the reception they got from E3 was a huge blunder, because they basically said it could have been cheaper. 

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Post by: MaryJane on December 10, 2010, 08:43:06 AM
@Ian
So where was the gimmick for the DS-DSi upgrade? Cameras? And do you really think Nintendo needed a gimmick to sell the DS's successor? With how amazing the graphics are, in combination with the analog stick, it would have been fine, but obviously Nintendo (like every other corporation out there)  sees something in 3D.

@BnM
3D is here to stay. Look at all the instances of 3D you yourself mentioned and then ask how that doesn't bode well. Yes, the 3DS isn't out yet (I am painfully aware of that) but just as Nintendo made motion gaming a staple, so they are looking to pioneer 3D gaming, at least of the autostereoscopic/anyone-can-play-because-it-doesn't require-TV-or-glasses kind.
And, it's my fault, but I meant to say the 3DS is 'further proof' that 3D is here to stay. You know just as well as I do that the 3DS is going to sell. Even if it didn't have 3D, the nearly 45million people who have a DS/DSi would be looking to buy one. The 3D aspect just gives them *another* reason not to switch to the PSP.

@TJ
Do you live in the U.S? Vizio was the first to introduce sub-$1000 HDTVs and they were small and crappy. Sometime around 2006 other companies jumped on the cheap HDTV bandwagon, but again they were small and crappy. Then early last year, maybe late 2008, Vizio and others started making good, large, and affordable HDTVs. By your reasoning, Sony has an easily affordable console in the market; the PS2. $1,500 isn't outrageous for a new TV, especially when you consider that HDTVs were marginally popular when they cost $3,000. Maybe it's just living in a major metro area, but people around here don't seem to mind buying a new, or at least another, TV every few years.
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Post by: Morari on December 10, 2010, 09:42:25 AM
MaryJane, do you own stock in 3D technology or something? :P
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 10, 2010, 12:13:54 PM
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So where was the gimmick for the DS-DSi upgrade? Cameras? And do you really think Nintendo needed a gimmick to sell the DS's successor? With how amazing the graphics are, in combination with the analog stick, it would have been fine, but obviously Nintendo (like every other corporation out there)  sees something in 3D.

The DSi is for suckers so I discount it.  It's Malibu Stacy with a new hat.  The GBA was very successful but it didn't sell with casuals like the DS did.  The DS had all the gimmicky bullshit with the touchscreen that attracted rubes.  If Nintendo wants to sell to rubes again with the DS successor they need another gimmick.  That's just how you sell to that demographic, they ignore legitimate improvements but are impressed by superficial novelties.  Nintendo doesn't need a gimmick to sell the 3DS, just to sell it to casuals.  Core gamers would buy it without the 3D because for us being able to play Gamecube level games on a portable is an easy sell.
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Post by: Adrock on December 10, 2010, 05:24:01 PM
Touchscreen was a gimmick? /facepalm

Some of the most inventive games on DS use the touchscreen. Granted, some just use the touchscreen for the hell of it (I'm looking at you New Super Mario Bros.). The touchscreen gave developers options. Some used it well, some did not. That's still no different than any controller.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2010, 06:05:44 PM
The touchscreen was a gimmick and so was the dual screens.

It (the touchscreen) just turned out to be a very useful one that has caught on on almost all mobile devices.
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In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries.

Motion Capture is the gimmick for Kinect, WiiHD is the gimmick for Move and 3D is the gimmick for 3DS
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 10, 2010, 06:34:58 PM
The touchscreen was far more than a gimmick, because certain games work MUCH better with that than they would without it. It improves gameplay in some respects, and in other respects there's no way certain games could have worked without it.... so its definitely not a gimmick. Now, granted there were many games, especially in the beginning, that tacked on touch controls in ways that didn't make any sense, such as the Castlevania game which had you draw the seals or some crap like that...

In those cases, yeah the touch screen was used in a gimmicky way, but that's not the fault of the hardware itself. In some cases its called for and very much needed, in others its just a gimmick. But overall the hardware itself is definitely NOT a gimmick. Its a new standard for portable gaming. If you're going to call that a gimmick you might as well call the analog stick a gimmick as well.
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Post by: Kytim89 on December 10, 2010, 06:46:45 PM
Would an audio player inside an automobile be considred a gimmick?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2010, 08:48:14 PM
The touchscreen was far more than a gimmick, because certain games work MUCH better with that than they would without it. It improves gameplay in some respects, and in other respects there's no way certain games could have worked without it.... so its definitely not a gimmick. Now, granted there were many games, especially in the beginning, that tacked on touch controls in ways that didn't make any sense, such as the Castlevania game which had you draw the seals or some crap like that...

In those cases, yeah the touch screen was used in a gimmicky way, but that's not the fault of the hardware itself. In some cases its called for and very much needed, in others its just a gimmick. But overall the hardware itself is definitely NOT a gimmick. Its a new standard for portable gaming. If you're going to call that a gimmick you might as well call the analog stick a gimmick as well.

It's still a gimmick. It was just a good one that was actually useful.
The touch screen was a feature that Nintendo used to make the DS stand out from other products therefore the touchscreen(& dual screens) was the gimmick. Being a gimmick does not automatically mean it was a useless add-on that was thrown on just for the bulletpoint (as the definition I posted showed), it just means that it is a feature that is used as the hook to get you to try it out.

Touchscreen seems like a "no brainer" now since everyone is all over it and it's on everything that could use one, but back in 2003/4 touchscreen was very much the gimmick in getting the DS attention (as was dual screens) and getting people to want to try it out and for devs to make some unique software that you wouldn't be able to play anywhere else (since no other widespread device was touchscreen enabled back when the DS came out).
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on December 10, 2010, 10:48:30 PM
Oh how I love the "gimmick" debate.

Touchscreen was a gimmick.

1080p HD was a gimmick.

Rumble feedback was a gimmick.

Battery-powered saves was a gimmick.

You can't just limit your definition to things that didn't resonate with you; every sales point is another gimmick.  Whether you personally find them compelling or not is irrelevant.

And Ian, your memory of the DS is terrible.  It wasn't the touchscreen that attracted the expanded audience, it was the software.  Nintendogs, Brain Age, etc.  Remember, the DS wasn't doing too hot until these games came out.  (Well I guess you don't remember, but trust me...)  It's always the software.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 11, 2010, 05:24:53 AM
The touchscreen was a gimmick and so was the dual screens.

It (the touchscreen) just turned out to be a very useful one that has caught on on almost all mobile devices.
Quote from: wiki
In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries.

Motion Capture is the gimmick for Kinect, WiiHD is the gimmick for Move and 3D is the gimmick for 3DS

I already stated this without the nifty wikilink, but thanks for the validation.  I hate how Gimmicks are perceived as bad, because of the term Gimmicky.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 11, 2010, 09:12:51 AM
@BnM, and whoever agreed with him (I forgot already...)

As speakers of the English language you need to understand something called connotation. The literal definition of mediocre is 'of moderate quality' and yet it is quite an insult to call someone or something mediocre or middling, as opposed to 'middle class', 'middle of the road' or even moderate.

Sure the literal definition of gimmick isn't a bad one, but if you were to look only at the way Ian used it (not to mention everyone else who speaks English and knows the word) it is obviously a word that bears a negative connotation, as he and other used the word to denegrate a product's feature(s).

Do you know that when the computer mouse was invented, people said it was a gimmick that would never catch on?

For me, a gimmick is, as I believe Ian or someone else said, a useless add-on. The touchscreen, and the dual screens were definitely not that, yes in some games they are useless, but they are not useless to the system itself.

I am of the belief Nintendo knows what they are doing when it comes to game design and will use 3D to enhance immersion. Even 'headtracking depth 3D' is ised to enhance gamplay, so why should we expect autostereoscopic 3D to be any less? And, if all does it make games look cool, then graphical improvements are also a (negatively connotated) gimmick.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 11, 2010, 12:53:03 PM
The touchscreen was a gimmick and so was the dual screens.

It (the touchscreen) just turned out to be a very useful one that has caught on on almost all mobile devices.
Quote from: wiki
In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries.

Motion Capture is the gimmick for Kinect, WiiHD is the gimmick for Move and 3D is the gimmick for 3DS

I already stated this without the nifty wikilink, but thanks for the validation.  I hate how Gimmicks are perceived as bad, because of the term Gimmicky.

Sometimes it's as if some people just skim a post(missing the point) or post before finishing reading a thread and have to see the same point made differently by a second person before it's noticed. But it happens to me all the time and it's good to know that someone else is on the same page as you. But my post was in direct response to Adrock (who now has a big red palm print across his face for nothing :P) and then again for Chozo.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 12, 2010, 04:22:27 AM
Its nice to know that someone else validates a point so you aren't left hanging.  Thanks.  :^)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 12, 2010, 12:36:56 PM
@BnM, and whoever agreed with him (I forgot already...)

As speakers of the English language you need to understand something called connotation.

So now I need to learn English....

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The literal definition of mediocre is 'of moderate quality' (me·di·o·cre: Of only moderate quality; not very good) and yet it is quite an insult to call someone or something mediocre or middling, as opposed to 'middle class', 'middle of the road' or even moderate.
Well no ****. because moderate quality means it's not very good. it is an insult. I inserted the definition into your quote ;)

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Sure the literal definition of gimmick isn't a bad one, but if you were to look only at the way Ian used it (not to mention everyone else who speaks English and knows the word) it is obviously a word that bears a negative connotation, as he and other used the word to denegrate a product's feature(s).

So when people skew the meaning of a word so that it fits their argument, and other people start to adapt that skewed definition of the word, I should just let it go instead of informing them of the actual definition so that they can see that it isn't necessarily something negative even though you could spin it that use it that way. Let's all stay ignorant.

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Do you know that when the computer mouse was invented, people said it was a gimmick that would never catch on?

For me, a gimmick is, as I believe Ian or someone else said, a useless add-on. The touchscreen, and the dual screens were definitely not that, yes in some games they are useless, but they are not useless to the system itself.
So everyone was wrong, you only want the word to stand for it's negative connotation and touch screen & dual screens are sometimes a "gimmick" and sometimes not..... go on.

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I am of the belief Nintendo knows what they are doing when it comes to game design and will use 3D to enhance immersion. Even 'headtracking depth 3D' is ised to enhance gamplay, so why should we expect autostereoscopic 3D to be any less? And, if all does it make games look cool, then graphical improvements are also a (negatively connotated) gimmick.

point is that negatively connotated or not, a gimmick is a gimmick and they will always be used till the end of time. Some you may not like and some may be utterly pointless, but the point of a gimmick, any gimmick, is to get your attention. 3D is a gimmick, touch screen is a gimmick, R.O.B. was a gimmick and a Lexus that parks itself is a gimmick. some are useful, some are cool, some are stupid and others are here to stay, but all are gimmicks.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 12, 2010, 07:17:49 PM
Lol.
Firstly, I didn't say that you need to learn English, I said as an English speaker you need to understand connotation. If you're equating understanding connotation to speaking good English, then we're on the same page. :) (that was a joke)

Your argument about moderate only reaffirms mine. It is no longer good enough to be moderate, also defined "avoiding extremes in behavior or expression: observing reasonable limits". In other words, neither the best nor the worst yet now the word's connotation leads it to also mean not very good instead of just good enough.

Language grows, moves, and even shifts, as we do the same. We no longer speak like the people who came before us. One example, gay. It has gone from meaning happy, to homosexual, and to a certain degree, bad, unpopular, or awkward, like; "electric cars are gay". (not a sentiment I agree with). Other examples include the term 'down low' and when it was cool to say 'waaaaassssuuuppp'. This is why linguistics exists. Because languange changes, and people study and record those changes.

Gimmick is an unflattering word, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, in the context of the discusion we were having, it was being used in a disparaging manner, and that is what was being discussed; whether the addition of 3D to the DS line was simply a useless add-on, or worthy uprgrade.

I mean no animosity or arrogance in my posts, so I don't know why you're taking this so personal. It's okay to disagree with my opinions, but connotation is a fact of language. It's not like I just made this up for the sake of argument, it is what happens to our speech, even in a single sentence. How you say something or the context of a word in a written sentence can radically alter its meaning, and in this case, it's really not all that much a radical altering, just a slightly negative connotation.

Saying something was done solely as a differentiating factor between competition, is a lot less flattering than calling it an industry changing innovation; like the Wiimote, and DS touch controls are.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 12, 2010, 08:24:19 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who tries to preserve the original definitions of words. I'm not sure how "gimmick" became synonymous with "cheap gimmick," is it really so hard to add an adjective?
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Post by: Adrock on December 12, 2010, 08:59:13 PM
Because it's often used in that context. In my previous post in this topic, I was specifically replying to this:
The DS had all the gimmicky bullshit with the touchscreen that attracted rubes.
That certainly sounds denigrating so I inferred it as such. If it makes you feel better, I'll amend my statement: The touchscreen was a cheap gimmick? /facepalm
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on December 12, 2010, 10:45:37 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who tries to preserve the original definitions of words. I'm not sure how "gimmick" became synonymous with "cheap gimmick," is it really so hard to add an adjective?
Apparently so.  But then this isn't that uncommon here.  Take "casual" for instance (oh no, is he really starting this?):

By any reasonable definition, it means "someone who plays games occasionally".  You know, as opposed to someone who plays every single latest release (see "hardcore").  However, a portion of our community (Ian Sane) use the term to describe anyone who plays crap, doesn't appreciate effort, will buy whatever the TV says to, and is generally retarded.  Which is ironic, because by the reasonable definition, Ian is very much a casual gamer (as he describes himself, and also how I identify myself).

Incidentally, if you substitute in the "n-word" into any posts where he mentions "casuals", you'll really see how far he stretches the definition.  It's also worth a laugh each time.
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Post by: Adrock on December 13, 2010, 12:35:21 AM
Incidentally, if you substitute in the "n-word"
N_GGERS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5UXwHD2YY)

Hint: People who annoy you
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Post by: MaryJane on December 13, 2010, 09:45:27 AM
The "n-word" literally means ignorant person, like a person so ignorant they would flippantly use such a term. And ignorant people annoy me.

@Mop
You going to try and preserve physical books from eReaders? Newspapers from blogs? Racism from logic? Change is inevitable.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 13, 2010, 10:24:35 AM
The "n-word" literally means ignorant person...
No, it doesn't. Some people use it in that way in order to try and justify using the word in general (or to try to not look like a bigot), but that is not what it means. It was created a derogatory slang for the Spanish word negro. this kind of discussion should have nothing to do with "general gaming" (though if you've ever been on Xbox Live, you'll see that they go hand-in-hand), but I had to point that out.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 13, 2010, 01:05:19 PM
I think comparing my use of the word "gimmick" to the n-word is pretty extreme.

Anyway, I think gimmicks are dumb and shallow and only gullable people are impressed by them.  So, yeah, there is a negative connotation.  And that include the DS touchscreen as I see it as a borderline useless feature and the DS didn't really start rolling until devs stopped forcing it into every game.  Zelda on the DS sucks and it is entirely because of the touchscreen.  Nintendo's insistence on pushing the touchscreen on us resulted in my favourite videogame series controlling like such **** that I actually ignored Spirit Tracks entirely.  Zelda is the best and yet I intentionally skipped a title.  That sucks.

A gimmick doesn't matter if it it doesn't impede on gameplay.  I have no problem with Move for example because I can play the PS3 games I like without it interfering.  I can do that with a lot of DS games but couldn't with Zelda.  It's really hard to do that on the Wii which is annoying.  R.O.B. was an obvious gimmick but thankfully Super Mario Bros wasn't forced to use it.

R.O.B. worked and the Wii remote worked.  The concept is sound marketing.  So I think that will become more common as the benefits of improved hardware become less obvious to the general public.  And I don't care as long is it doesn't ruin games I want to play.

I would consider a gimmick to be a novelty that adds no significant value.  Otherwise I would just call it a feature.

To get this on topic, I figure MS will need one to attract attention to a new Xbox.  I think the amount of people that would be impressed by just a hardware upgrade at this point is too small.
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Post by: Adrock on December 13, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
You've basically just redefined an entire word in the English language for your own purposes. Once people start using your home-made dictionary (presumably bound in human flesh and inked in blood), we'll all accept your definitions.
I would consider a gimmick to be a novelty that adds no significant value.  Otherwise I would just call it a feature.
My response remains: Some of the most inventive games on DS use the touchscreen. Granted, some just use the touchscreen for the hell of it (I'm looking at you, New Super Mario Bros.). The touchscreen gave developers options. Some used it well, some did not. That's still no different than any other controller.

If you don't like the controls of a particular game, play a different game. Just because you don't like something that someone else does, doesn't make them gullible and you well-informed so please get off your high horse. They get it, you do not. The only real solution to that is to put that game down, pick up a different one, and, no offense, shut the hell up. Whining about it isn't going to make your day more fun. "Wah, Nintendo won't make games just for me and only me." They're making a lot of money not listening to you. I'd say they're doing some things right.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 13, 2010, 06:29:19 PM
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You've basically just redefined an entire word in the English language for your own purposes.

Bullshit.  People have used the term "gimmick" with a negative connotation for longer then I've been alive.  Have you honestly never heard anyone refer to something as "just a gimmick" with the obvious implication that it is of low quality or value?  It gets used all the time.  I'd honestly say that I had never heard anyone use the term "gimmick" in a postive sense until it started being applied to Nintendo products like the DS or Wii and became a dirty word with Nintendo fans.  Otherwise any other time I have heard someone use that word they were associating "gimmick" with novelties that provide no real value or substance.  It was used to desribe Kiss's makeup, spoilers on mini-vans, holographic foil comic covers and Crystal Pepsi.
 
But this has little to do with the Xbox 360 successor.
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Post by: Adrock on December 13, 2010, 06:40:38 PM
Bullshit.  People have used the term "gimmick" with a negative connotation for longer then I've been alive.  Have you honestly never heard anyone refer to something as "just a gimmick" with the obvious implication that it is of low quality or value?
Jesus mother, man.... this is only a few posts above yours.
Because it's often used in that context. In my previous post in this topic, I was specifically replying to this:
The DS had all the gimmicky bullshit with the touchscreen that attracted rubes.
That certainly sounds denigrating so I inferred it as such. If it makes you feel better, I'll amend my statement: The touchscreen was a cheap gimmick? /facepalm
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Post by: Mop it up on December 13, 2010, 06:42:01 PM
@Mop
You going to try and preserve physical books from eReaders? Newspapers from blogs? Racism from logic? Change is inevitable.
I don't know what anything you listed has to do with language, so I'll stay focused. Change isn't always a good thing or necessary, and in the case of language, once it is established, it shouldn't be altered. New words can be added, but existing words should remain as they are. Language works only when the persons involved understand the meaning being conveyed, and if people keep twisting words to mean whatever they want, things are going to get even more confusing than they already are. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if English devolves into grunts and finger pointing just so people understand.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 13, 2010, 07:35:37 PM
If what you say is true Mop, many languages wouldn't even exist. The whole world should still be speaking gaelic(sp?), latin, greek, ancient egyptian (one of the most changed languages), hebrew, and whatever languages the Mongols and other ancient Asian civilizations spoke. English is a mash up of different languages, and if those ancient people had to decided to keep language 'pure' it wouldn't exist. Unfortunately, this 'general consensus' form of language has side effects, like their being a list of 'bad words' whose meanings are actually innocuous, especially with today's connotations.

What you defined as language, conveying a meaning, is actually the definition of communication, of which language is one channel. Points and grunts are an effective form of simple communication, and by your reasoning, we should still be doing just that, if we were to actually preserve things.

Should we also go back to the ancient and complex writing systems of symbols and drawings? The Chinese and Japanese have managed to preserve the symbols of their written language, but even the meanings of those symbols have changed, and continue to change as both civilizations continue to modernize them.

As I said before, liguistics exists for this very reason; language changes.

Even regionally in the U.S English is not preserved, but you wish to preserve it through time? It is preserved historically, since we know we both speak and write differently than English speakers even a couple hundred years ago (we no longer say nor write things like 'ye olde') but it could never be preserved in the sense you speak of. The other examples I used were to show that things inevitably change.

This is almost like the 3DTV argument in this thread and another, just because a few people may not want to see the changes, doesn't mean they won't occur. People are still saying motion controls are a gimmick, when they have bred a whole new section of gaming.

It's like people who argue that the world is flat; their beliefs don't change fact.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 13, 2010, 07:46:20 PM
You're acting like I said language never should have evolved. The key in what I said lies in the phrase "once it's established." The word "gimmick" already has an established definition, so I see no reason to change it to something else when the same meaning can be had by adding an adjective, such as "cheap," "pointless," "worthless," etc. I know people like to make language their own, but I don't agree with it. I do my part to preserve words, at the least to keep my sanity.

Technology is a different matter entirely. I won't get into that subject, but it isn't anything like language; it's physical things, and those can always get better.

Also, my name is Mop it up.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2010, 07:48:04 PM
You guys are taking this way too far off topic. I merely meant that even though the word GIMMICK is being used negatively, the word itself is not inherently negative even if you choose to use it that way. Most things advertised to anyone is done by exploiting some sort of gimmick which is meant to capture your attention long enough to either get you to want/use/buy the product regardless if you want to see that specific feature as a gimmick or not.

This is a topic on the next Xbox and all things that are related to it involving the world of gaming. So lets save the philosophical linguistics history lessons for another topic.

p.s. Motion controls are a gimmick ;)
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Post by: Stogi on December 13, 2010, 08:01:35 PM
Wow. You guys must be bored to bring up this stupid argument yet again.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 13, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
This is ridiculous. People here are arguing about what the proper meaning of a word is. I thought this was a video game site. I come here to ROT my brain, not enlighten it.
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Post by: Adrock on December 14, 2010, 01:29:52 AM
More importantly, my Army of Darkness reference went unnoticed. /sad panda
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Post by: nickmitch on December 14, 2010, 01:41:20 AM
Xbox 720 is a stupid name.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 14, 2010, 03:11:00 AM
I think they should call it Xbox 4, and then just quietly ignore the fact there was never such a thing as an Xbox 2.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 14, 2010, 01:20:13 PM
@Mop it up ;)

Okay, so who decides when a language is established? How can any generation tell another that it was okay for us to change the language, but not you? Humans are the masters of our selves. We have instincts (id), but we have an overriding ego and super-ego by which we make decisions. It is because of this that we are not only responsible for our actions, but in control of the aspects of our world. There is no higher power demanding that our language be a certain way, and as a people we can decide to do with it what we want. Bad words are only considered bad because we as a society say they are, whixh is something I don't agree with, but I'm not going to act like it doesn't exist. So if we as a society say that a word has a negative connotation, guess what? It has one.

@complainers
Why should it bother you what other people are discussing? I could see if there was some relevant thread where this discussion is taking place, like how every thread about Sony, Apple, and MS breaks into, 'what does this mean for Nintendo' and then discusses the affected aspect of Nintendo which is already being discussed in other threads, but that's not what is happening here. Take it easy, and if you aren't smart enough to take part, ignore it; you should be used to that from your school days or should I say school daze. :) (that was a joke, not meant to be insulting)

Edit: Unless I'm mistaken, BnM made up the name Xbox 720. So if you don't like the name, it's a complete nonissue.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 14, 2010, 01:56:00 PM
Xbox 720 has been a very common way to reference the next gen Xbox since the name for the current gen Xbox(360) has been revealed.

No one is saying that that is what the next system will be called, it just called that so that you know we are discussing the NextGen system for the Xbox brand. Much like we say Wii2/SuperWii or PS4. It just a name given so that there is no confusion as to what we are talking about. You don't like the name? fine, call it something else, it's not gonna bother me.

As far as teh language discussion.... if it's something you want to discuss, then fine, discuss it, but go make a thread for in in General Discussion and discuss it there. That is not what this thread is about. Maybe vudu or UB can help you out and move all the relevant post to that new thread so you won't have to start it from scratch. That discussion is derailing this discussion and that's why it shoul dbe taken somewhere else. It's not even videogame related.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on December 14, 2010, 02:05:57 PM
"Xbox" is clearly the brand name.  I encounter tons of people who refer to their Xbox 360 as just their "Xbox".  360 was a really stupid name and is so cumbersome to say that that is probably why so many people just say "Xbox".

Next time, I don't think it matters too much what the name is as long as it still uses the Xbox brand.  Yeah they probably called it the 360 so that their 2 didn't go against the Playstation's 3.  It's dumb but seems pretty much dead on with how marketers think.  But next gen they could call is the Xbox DX or something like that and it would be fine.  With something like that, then maybe people will refer to the system by a unique name and not just call it an "Xbox" again.  It's probably better for MS that each Xbox be referred to by it's own name.
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Post by: Stogi on December 14, 2010, 02:17:27 PM
That's odd. I find my friends and I reference 360 as well... the 360.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 14, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
Totally agree with Ian, the system is called Xbox, and when the NeXBoX comes out, people are going to refer to it as 'the new Xbox' regardless of what MS calls it.

@BnM
I see what you're saying, but it was relevant to the thread, in that we were talking about gimmicks pushing the next system, and that evolved into what is a gimmick, but it really doesn't need to be taken much further, so it doesn't warrant its own thread but I do think we should have a thread about 3D TVs and movies... Guess I'll go start one.


Maybe I should post this in the Kinect thread, but it is relevant to the NeXBoX as I think it will be integrated with the Kinect:

CNN just had on the guys from MIT who did the Minority Report-like interface for pictures (BnM posted a vid in the Kinect thread) and they were showing how it could interact with websites. The guy was rather easily zooming in and out, and moving around the screen, but what really caught my attention was him saying that this could be potentially used for business and courtroom presentations. He didn't say so, but presented the Kinect way, the presenter would no longer need a laser pointer to highlight things, and neither would they need to go back to their laptop or have a remote to switch slides. If by the time the NeXBoX comes out, MS can integrate the best of Kinect hacks, and make a gaming PC console (as in it does everything a PC does but uses a TV or projector as a monitor) they could have a very mainstream device, that appeals communities beyond the gaming one. They could even make it laptop-like to boost its useability, and backwards compatible with the 360 and original Xbox by shutting down eveything else to do so to combat piracy, maybe even do that for console (multiplatform) games as well.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on December 14, 2010, 02:46:24 PM
"Xbox" is clearly the brand name.  I encounter tons of people who refer to their Xbox 360 as just their "Xbox".  360 was a really stupid name and is so cumbersome to say that that is probably why so many people just say "Xbox".

Next time, I don't think it matters too much what the name is as long as it still uses the Xbox brand.  Yeah they probably called it the 360 so that their 2 didn't go against the Playstation's 3.  It's dumb but seems pretty much dead on with how marketers think.  But next gen they could call is the Xbox DX or something like that and it would be fine.  With something like that, then maybe people will refer to the system by a unique name and not just call it an "Xbox" again.  It's probably better for MS that each Xbox be referred to by it's own name.
Xbox DX sounds more like a special edition Xbox, than a next-gen system.  Otherwise, I agree.  They should aim to have Xbox as the company brand, with their new system having a distinct name.  Something like "Xbox Master System", or "Xbox GameCube" (but obviously with original names).  Ideally you'll know who makes it, and that it's the new next-gen one.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 15, 2010, 12:03:12 AM
"Xbox Advance"
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Post by: EasyCure on December 15, 2010, 01:26:52 AM
Maybe they'll make Kinect the only standard controller and call the thing "KineX-box"
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 15, 2010, 01:35:12 AM
I'm gonna put all of my money on either Xbox 1080 or Xbox 3D.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 15, 2010, 02:30:51 AM
"Xbox 4D" is better, because it implies that it is somehow superior to 3D, and at the same time it puts a 4 in it to give it that marketing competitiveness to go against the PS4. Calling it "Xbox 3D" won't work, because the 3 in it makes it seem too last generation.
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Post by: Nephilim on December 15, 2010, 03:05:52 AM
Crysis may not be capable of being ported to the Xbox 360 but it doesn't really look it in screenshots.  It's not WAY better like we had before

You're blind.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5579/crysis2007102923551468lo2.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5579/crysis2007102923551468lo2.jpg)

Consoles could barely render anything in this screenshot individually, never mind at the same time. You only get levels like that in completely linear games, and even then you don't have as much stuff in the area, which is why Red Dead Redemption worked on consoles, but a game like Crysis never will. It's also why Crysis 2 is set in a city and not in the jungle.

And that's not even as good as you can MAKE it look through some simple .cfg editing and mods.

Thats heavy rendered graphics which isnt always needed, should try "thehunter" for pc, free deer hunter game which uses the just cause 2 engine.
Looks amazing and much more optimised http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/955/955624/the-hunter-hands-on-20090220010556256-000.jpg (http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/955/955624/the-hunter-hands-on-20090220010556256-000.jpg)

As for the next xbox, I think if hardware is to continue as it did in the last, what hardware we have now will most likely be whats used when xbox720 is launched in 2-3 years.
Considering a 1year old 4850 which sells on ebay for as low as 80US kills 99% of games atm, the system should have a decent gpu.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 15, 2010, 08:56:48 PM
They'll call it the XBox 1080 and force every game to display in 1080p at minimum.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 15, 2010, 10:39:10 PM
They'll call it the XBox 1080 and force every game to display in 1080p at minimum.

What would they be able to render in at maximum? :P
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Post by: MaryJane on December 16, 2010, 07:34:33 AM
@BnM
4k, which is four times the resolution of 1080p. It's the new high-class HD, and will probably need those $120-for-one 300GB holographic discs for movies. The RED Epic cameras that they're using for the next Spider-Man and The Hobbit record in 5k (5 times 1080p) and cost $35,000, and there are TVs that display 4k that cost between $76,000 and $200,000 (just from what I've seen on the interwebs) so it's not exactly consumer friendly tech just yet, but if MS was looking for some edge over the PS3, this would be it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 16, 2010, 09:49:50 AM
It was rhetorical question.

You try to make a case for 3D TV being affordable and then say MS could support SuperHD when no one owns a TV that supports such resolutions and won't for at least a decade at minimum.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 16, 2010, 12:39:56 PM
It doesn't make any sense from a business standpoint for MS to create a product that only their leader Bill Gates could afford to fully utilize.

As BnM said, this is something a decade away at a minimum. So it would make more sense for that to be handled by the Xbox 1440 than by the Xbox 720.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2010, 12:40:23 PM
so it's not exactly consumer friendly tech just yet, but if MS was looking for some edge over the PS3, this would be it.

Not to mention that those are a waste of money as the human eye is not able to tell the difference when you get above 1080 (at least based on the studies i've seen). Even if those higher resolutions were available, people wouldn't be able to notice the difference.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 16, 2010, 12:41:59 PM
so it's not exactly consumer friendly tech just yet, but if MS was looking for some edge over the PS3, this would be it.

Not to mention that those are a waste of money as the human eye is not able to tell the difference when you get above 1080 (at least based on the studies i've seen). Even if those higher resolutions were available, people wouldn't be able to notice the difference.

I bet you'd think otherwise if Gamestop said the opposite.
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Post by: MaryJane on December 16, 2010, 07:37:44 PM
Wow, so I really do have to lable everything I mean to be a joke as such...

The tech is about half a decade away, and technically, MS could put a GPU/CPU combo capable of rendering 4k for futureproofing (in the right set-up two or three current NVIDIA cards can do at LEAST 4k) but again, I was joking.

4kTVs would have to be consumer friendly before MS thought of incorporating the tech. I thought saying this is the edge MS needs (or whatever way I put it) over the PS3 would make it clear it was a joke, but I guess not.

Edit: I haven't seen 4k, but the lucky people who have say it's clearly better (pun intended).
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Post by: Mop it up on December 16, 2010, 07:43:38 PM
They'll call it the XBox 1080 and force every game to display in 1080p at minimum.

What would they be able to render in at maximum? :P
The maximum would be even higher than the resolution of the human eye. The system will feature graphics so realistic, people will look out the window and say "Those graphics suck! I'm going to go play XBox 1080!"
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Post by: Stogi on December 16, 2010, 07:49:52 PM
Futurama reference in 5...

4....

3...

2...

1...
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 16, 2010, 11:21:32 PM
Futurama!!!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2011, 01:20:16 AM
I just followed a web crawler here too. such interesting threads.... ;D

But I'm glad I followed this one as it just led me to updating the Rumor Consolidation list to add this as an addendum to this:
Quote
March 2011:
-AMD working on CPU/GPU combined (Fusion based) chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release.
Title: MS E3 2011 Rumor List
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2011, 01:20:27 PM
NeoGAF has just made a list of all MS rumors surrounding this years E3

Quote from: Nirolak
It seems that most of Microsoft's E3 announcements have been leaking out through rumors and trademarks.

There have been so many rumors and trademarks that I thought I would make a thread collecting them all, since at this point, I think we're close to knowing the entire show.

Leaks:
-Halo 4 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432650)
-Halo: Combat Evolved Remake (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432650)
-Ryse (Codename: Kingdoms, Kinect Based) (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432650)
-Kinect Sparkler (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432653)
-Leedmees (Konami XBLA Kinect Game) (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432652)

Trademarks:
-Fusion: Genesis (http://www.classification.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/3ee9cf339ddee09eca2575ca000be1e3/7da88c824f17e27dca257896005d86de?OpenDocument) (Microsoft/Microsoft Game Studios)
-Fusion: Sentient (http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85277650)
-Fusion: Vault (http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85277645)
-Fruit Ninja Kinect (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/04/28/fruit-ninja-kinect-sliced-for-xbox-360/)
-Hole In The Wall (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-17-hole-in-the-wall-kinect-game-incoming)
-Kinect Me (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/05/20/kinect-fun-lab-will-be-revealed-at-e3-crimson-alliance-unearthed/)
-Kinect Googly Eyes (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/05/23/seriously-kinect-googly-eyes-is-in-development-at-microsoft/)
-Tetris Party Challenge (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/05/23/seriously-kinect-googly-eyes-is-in-development-at-microsoft/)
-Build A Buddy (http://www.classification.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/5b6ebdff7f5b9a24ca2575ca00062226/e8d611c1c166ad29ca25789c005db15e?OpenDocument)
-Gears of War: Exile (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/01/18/epic-games-gearing-up-for-gears-of-war-exile/) (Epic's Trademark, Not Microsoft's)
-VC Test (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28317965&postcount=1438)

Websites:
-Fable: The Journey (http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/status/77079500399185920)
-XCommerce (http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/status/77079500399185920)
-Dance Central 2 (http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/status/77079500399185920)
-Kinect Sports Season 2 (http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/status/77079500399185920)
-Kinect Fun Labs (http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/status/77079500399185920)
-Kinect Disneyland (http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/statuses/77422125283155968) (And About Four Variants)

Game Rumors:
-Codename: Kingdoms (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/34544/Source_Layoffs_At_Crytek_Budapest_Kinect_Game_Moves_Foward.php) (First Person Melee, Rumored Kinect Functionality, Moved To Crytek Frankfurt)
-Forza World (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-13-kinect-ms-to-serve-hardcore-at-e3) (Open World Racing, Developed By Playground Games)
-Kinect Sports 2 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-13-kinect-ms-to-serve-hardcore-at-e3)
-Dance Central 2 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-13-kinect-ms-to-serve-hardcore-at-e3)
-Kinect Fun Lab (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/05/20/kinect-fun-lab-will-be-revealed-at-e3-crimson-alliance-unearthed/) (Speculated To Possibly Be "Kinect Me")
-Rare Kinect Title #2 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-13-kinect-ms-to-serve-hardcore-at-e3) (Unrelated To Rare IPs)
-Two New Kinect Titles From Veteran Kinect Developer (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-13-kinect-ms-to-serve-hardcore-at-e3)
-Halo CE Remake (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-04-rumour-timeshift-dev-remaking-halo-1)
-Gears Of War Kinect Rail Shooter (http://kotaku.com/5755399/gears-of-war-for-kinect-an-on+rails-shooter-says-source)
-Fable Kinect Game (http://kotaku.com/5645343/rumor-project-milo-canceled)
-Kinect Roller Coaster Game (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430831) (From The Developers Of Roller Coaster Tycoon)
-Big Park Story-Driven IP (http://www.iwriteforgames.com/portfolio/) (They Made Kinect Joyride)
-Alan Wake: Night Springs (http://www.xblafans.com/rumor-alan-wake-night-springs-will-be-an-xbla-title-13758.html) (XBLA, Possibly Kinect Enabled)
-Kinect Star (http://123kinect.com/kinect-games-star-showtime-ubisoft/4262/) (Ubisoft)
-Kinect ShowTime (http://123kinect.com/kinect-games-star-showtime-ubisoft/4262/) (Ubisoft)
-Kinect Raving Rabbids (http://123kinect.com/raving-rabbids-xbox-kinect-game/16285/) (Ubisoft)
-Monsters: Mass Destruction (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28005495&postcount=98) (Majesco, Kinect)
-Left Brain Right Brain (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28005495&postcount=98) (Majesco, Kinect)
-Harley Pasternak’s Hollywood Trainer (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28005495&postcount=98) (Majesco, Kinect)
-Over the Top Wrestling (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28005495&postcount=98) (Majesco, Kinect)
-Motion Sports: Adrenaline (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28005495&postcount=98) (Ubisoft, Kinect)
-Ghost Recon: Future Soldier Uses Kinect (http://h5.abload.de/img/boxartlgfk4x.jpg) (Found On Microsoft's Website, Essentially Official)
-Mass Effect 3 Uses Kinect (http://i.imgur.com/aqspA.jpg) (Found On EA's Website, Essentially Official)
-The Sims 3 Pets Uses Kinect (http://123kinect.com/wp-content/gallery/the-sims-3-pets/the-sims-3-pets-kinect-00.jpg) (Voice Commands, Both Interview And Box Art)
-SSX Has Kinect Functionality (http://123kinect.com/ssx-kinect-development/9257/) (Website Registration)

Studio Creation Rumors:
-London Studio For Kinect Kids Titles (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-13-kinect-ms-to-serve-hardcore-at-e3)
-Redmond Studio "MGS Family" (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-13-kinect-ms-to-serve-hardcore-at-e3) (MGS = Microsoft Game Studios In This Context)

New Feature Rumors:
-Full Stereoscopic 3D Support (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-23-full-stereoscopic-3d-hitting-xbox-360)
-Zune Features/Services Integrated With Xbox Live Gold (http://wmpoweruser.com/zune-services-to-be-re-organized/)
-Kinect Community Site For Users And Developers (http://123kinect.com/rumor-microsoft-creates-community-site-to-connect-developers-to-users/16351/)
-Project Orapa (http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/11/xbox-360-iptv-rumors-ride-again-with-project-orapa/) (Combines Xbox Live, Kinect, and IPTV Into One)
-Free To Play Games Coming To XBLA (http://uk.xboxlive.ign.com/articles/116/1160708p1.html) (Dungeon Fighter Online XBLA (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=425314) Seemingly Confirms)
-Xbox Live Diamond (http://www.winrumors.com/xbox-live-diamond-subscription-tv-service-to-debut-at-e3/) (IPTV, Matches Orapa Rumor Very Well)

Official - Confirmed E3:
-Gears Of War 3 (http://www.xbox.com/en-gb/e3) (Epic)
-Forza 4 (http://www.xbox.com/en-gb/e3) (Turn10)
-Good Science Studios' New Game (https://twitter.com/#!/shannonloftis/status/70257450900652032) (They Made Kinect Adventures)
-Sesame Street: Once Upon A Monster (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430724) (Double Fine)
-Star Wars Kinect (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430724) (Terminal Velocity)
-Razorfish's DaVinci Kinect Experience (http://www.insidekinect.com/2011/06/razorfish-taking-davinci-kinect.html)

Official - Known 2011 Releases (Thus Likely E3):
-Doodle Jump Kinect (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/15/doodle-jump-drawn-to-kinect-release/)
-Hulk Hogan's Main Event (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-27-hulk-hogans-main-event-coming-to-kinect) (Majesco, Panic Button Games, Kinect)
-The Witcher 2 Is Coming To Xbox 360 In Q4 2011 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432215)

Official - Potentially Not E3:
-343 Industries' Halo Game(s) (http://www.microsoft-careers.com/go/343-Industries-Jobs/190537/)
-Zipline Studio's Kinect First Person Shooter (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27550727&postcount=1) (Zipline Studios Is A New Microsoft First Party Studio)
-Lionhead Kinect Game (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-gray/8/22a/956) (Possibly Fable Kinect)
-Skype Functionality Is Coming To Kinect (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=429829) (The Press Release Confirmed This)
-Kinect Game From Virtual Toys (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YzpP4xHlmtkJ:theartofvictorsantos.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/cv-victor-santos.doc) (Microsoft Published, Developer Of Petz: Horsez 2 and Imagine: Fashion Model)
-The Kinect Games From TGS (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407445) (Project Draco, Codename D, Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor, Fire Pro Wrestling, Haunt, Rise Of Nightmares (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/03/25/leaked-details-on-rise-of-nightmares-segas-kinect-horror-game/))
-PowerUp Heroes (http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/Info.aspx?pId=9674) (Ubisoft, Kinect)
-Zombie Studios (http://www.richarddormer.com/images/RichardDormer_Resume.pdf)' "Zero Person Shooter" Kinect Game (http://www.free-for-recruiters.com/Resumes/WA/1806129-Resume.html) (Unreal Engine 3, Single-Player Rail Shooter)
-Xbox Live Cloud (http://www.microsoft-careers.com/job/Bellevue-BI-DEVELOPER,-MS-HARDWARE-IEB-MSCIS-Hardware-%28756886%29-Job-WA-98004/1287441/)
-Play XBLA Website (http://www.playxbla.com/)
-Yu Suzuki Is Making A Kinect Fighting Game (http://123kinect.com/kinect-fighting-game/17021/)

Official XBLA Exclusives - Potentially Not E3:
-Radiant Silvergun (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407445) (Treasure)
-Guardian Heroes (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=429344) (Treasure)
-Trenched (http://www.trenchedgame.com/) (Double Fine)
-Gunstringer (http://www.thegunstringer.com/) (Kinect, Twisted Pixel)
-Class3 (http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/class3/1147725p1.html) (Undead Labs)
-Toy Soldiers: Cold War (http://www.signalstudios.net/toy-soldiers-cold-war/) (Signal Studios)
-Hybrid (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/29/hybrid-xbla-shooter-announced-by-5th-cell/) (5th Cell)
-Fez (http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/100/1001218p1.html) (Polytron)
-Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/29/insanely-twisted-shadow-planet-coming-to-xbox-live-arcade/)
-Spelunky HD (http://www.spelunkyworld.com/xbla.html) (MossMouth)
-Crimson Alliance (http://www.crimsonalliance.com/) (Certain Affinity, Action RPG)

GAF Original Rumors:
-Kinect Object Scanning, Interactive Books, And Education Software (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27345181&postcount=7878) (fin)
-Ruffian Still Working With Microsoft (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28004850&postcount=53) (Doffen)

Am I missing anything?

Update:

Frankie says these are just from an ad agency, but in case he's stretching the truth, we'll keep this here.

Invite: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/05/microsoft-e3-badge-hints-at-halo-star-wars-portal-reveals.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/05/microsoft-e3-badge-hints-at-halo-star-wars-portal-reveals.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss)

(http://www.abload.de/img/msbadge1lmbv.jpg)

(http://www.abload.de/img/msbadge2km7j.jpg)

Am I missing anything?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Stogi on May 23, 2011, 02:16:34 PM
Can't wait to play the **** out of Gears of War 3. Best Coop game ever.
Title: Xbox720 @ E3 2012?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2011, 08:45:16 PM
Xbox 720 'likely' at E3 2012, Crytek on board
TimeSplitters 4 in development for next Xbox and PlayStation.
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Microsoft is gearing up to announce the successor to the Xbox 360 at E3 2012, and Crytek is already developing a new TimeSplitters game for the next generation of consoles, VideoGamer.com can reveal.

Specifications for the new machine have not been finalised, but Crytek is using Microsoft's DirectX 11 as the current basis for next-generation development. Tessellation, multithreaded rendering, and compute shaders are the three headlining features for DirectX 11.

The Crysis 2 developer says that Microsoft will announce the existence of a new Xbox within the next 12 months, hinting that a likely E3 2012 reveal. Crytek believes that Microsoft will announce and launch its new machine ahead of rival Sony, though the developer is also investing resources into next-generation PlayStation development.

The information was detailed to VideoGamer.com by a high-ranking industry source at Crytek, who stated that TimeSplitters 4 is currently being demonstrated internally, is being built with CryEngine 3, and was being shown privately in video form at E3 2011.

Crytek UK, who produced the other three games in the series as Free Radical, is still handling the development.

Both Microsoft and Crytek declined to comment.

The source reports that the graphics on TimeSplitters 4 are noticeably improved over current generation technology, with the DX11 tessellation effects allegedly having a huge impact on the visuals. Crytek believes that the game - and CryEngine 3 itself - will be seen as the cornerstone of next-generation development.

Crytek has invested heavily in DirectX 11 development primarily to focus on the new consoles, with the upcoming DX11 patch for the PC version of Crysis 2 being used internally as a benchmark of anticipated hardware trends.

As for the game itself, the new TimeSplitters is reported to focus on the series' branching paths and exploratory nature, with sandbox-style gameplay elements a big priority. The current goal is for levels to feature multiple routes that lead to the same overall conclusion.


Funny that WiiU wasn't mentioned at all...
Does that mean no DX11 equivalent features in the WiiU GPU? or that Crytek doesn't see Wii U as a "next gen" machine?


But either way, this is an all but confirmation that MS will have a new console at E3 2012 for me.


First the original rumor backed up with a quote from an AMD worker (see rumor thread) and now this.
We all know MS is horrible at keeping secrets, so it's no surprise that we would hear about it this early.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on June 14, 2011, 08:51:02 PM
So the Next Xbox in Holiday 2013?
PS4 in Holiday 2014?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2011, 09:40:18 PM
I'm not so sure.

I think MS might be ready to launch Xmas 2012.

I think Sony is gonna overshoot on specs again and mostly get up ports from U720 (PS360 works so much better) since they won't be ready until late 2013 at the earliest. But I would guess 2014 for Sony.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on June 15, 2011, 12:08:03 AM
I think 2012 is rushing it. We would have heard more by now.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 15, 2011, 12:45:30 AM
Xbox 720 'likely' at E3 2012, Crytek on board
TimeSplitters 4 in development for next Xbox and PlayStation.
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Microsoft is gearing up to announce the successor to the Xbox 360 at E3 2012, and Crytek is already developing a new TimeSplitters game for the next generation of consoles, VideoGamer.com can reveal.

Specifications for the new machine have not been finalised, but Crytek is using Microsoft's DirectX 11 as the current basis for next-generation development. Tessellation, multithreaded rendering, and compute shaders are the three headlining features for DirectX 11.

The Crysis 2 developer says that Microsoft will announce the existence of a new Xbox within the next 12 months, hinting that a likely E3 2012 reveal. Crytek believes that Microsoft will announce and launch its new machine ahead of rival Sony, though the developer is also investing resources into next-generation PlayStation development.

The information was detailed to VideoGamer.com by a high-ranking industry source at Crytek, who stated that TimeSplitters 4 is currently being demonstrated internally, is being built with CryEngine 3, and was being shown privately in video form at E3 2011.

Crytek UK, who produced the other three games in the series as Free Radical, is still handling the development.

Both Microsoft and Crytek declined to comment.

The source reports that the graphics on TimeSplitters 4 are noticeably improved over current generation technology, with the DX11 tessellation effects allegedly having a huge impact on the visuals. Crytek believes that the game - and CryEngine 3 itself - will be seen as the cornerstone of next-generation development.

Crytek has invested heavily in DirectX 11 development primarily to focus on the new consoles, with the upcoming DX11 patch for the PC version of Crysis 2 being used internally as a benchmark of anticipated hardware trends.

As for the game itself, the new TimeSplitters is reported to focus on the series' branching paths and exploratory nature, with sandbox-style gameplay elements a big priority. The current goal is for levels to feature multiple routes that lead to the same overall conclusion.


Funny that WiiU wasn't mentioned at all...
Does that mean no DX11 equivalent features in the WiiU GPU? or that Crytek doesn't see Wii U as a "next gen" machine?


But either way, this is an all but confirmation that MS will have a new console at E3 2012 for me.


First the original rumor backed up with a quote from an AMD worker (see rumor thread) and now this.
We all know MS is horrible at keeping secrets, so it's no surprise that we would hear about it this early.

I wouldn't take it as Wii U not being able to handle it, sounds like they may just be talking directly about the next Xbox. Wouldn't surprise me if MS through some money hats their way as well.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on June 15, 2011, 01:34:46 AM
I think they will show something at E3 2012, but not release until 2013. Sony will be in 2014
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 15, 2011, 01:38:20 AM
You're all ignoring the important part: they're finally making TimeSplitters 4!
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Stogi on June 15, 2011, 03:04:14 AM
"with sandbox-style gameplay elements a big priority. "

I don't know if I like that.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on June 15, 2011, 01:03:49 PM
I hope they don't make the Wii U look like the Wii or it will be the same problems all over again.  But what would the cost of something that completely leapfrogs the Wii U be?  Is it even something really feasible?  If the Wii U is just the PS2 to the Xbox it won't really matter.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Caterkiller on June 15, 2011, 01:51:23 PM
The PS3 came out a year after the 360 and as far as I know  didn't mean jack. I'm sure the 720 will be more powerful than Wii U and PS4 more than the 720, but I just can't see things getting prettier, maybe bigger, but arent games big enough now?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Morari on June 15, 2011, 02:44:53 PM
[...] arent games big enough now?

No, not for $60 they aren't.
Title: BGR: MS confirms Xbox720 @ E3 2012
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 27, 2011, 04:15:44 PM
Microsoft is officially the worst company at keeping secrets secret
 http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/27/microsoft-to-unveil-new-xbox-at-e3-2012/
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A source with knowledge of Microsoft’s plans within the company’s Entertainment and Devices Division has confirmed with BGR that Microsoft intends to unveil its next-generation Xbox console at E3 2012 next summer. The source is not aware of Microsoft’s launch plans for the new Xbox, which we are told has been in development since 2006. Microsoft has sold nearly 54.4 million Xbox 360 units since the console’s introduction in November 2005. The video game system is currently the ninth most popular gaming console of all time behind Nintendo’s original NES and just ahead of Sony’s PlayStation 3, which has sold 51 million units to date.

I already believed it, but MS couldn't keep an announcement that is a year away from  being announced from being announced.... I suspect we will know all the specs before Xmas too?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on June 27, 2011, 04:21:08 PM
Microsoft is officially the worst company at keeping secrets secret
 http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/27/microsoft-to-unveil-new-xbox-at-e3-2012/
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A source with knowledge of Microsoft’s plans within the company’s Entertainment and Devices Division has confirmed with BGR that Microsoft intends to unveil its next-generation Xbox console at E3 2012 next summer. The source is not aware of Microsoft’s launch plans for the new Xbox, which we are told has been in development since 2006. Microsoft has sold nearly 54.4 million Xbox 360 units since the console’s introduction in November 2005. The video game system is currently the ninth most popular gaming console of all time behind Nintendo’s original NES and just ahead of Sony’s PlayStation 3, which has sold 51 million units to date.

I already believed it, but MS couldn't keep an announcement that is a year away from  being announced from being announced.... I suspect we will know all the specs before Xmas too?
Third Parties Talk...
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 27, 2011, 05:09:09 PM
We didn't really know **** about WiiU until 2 months before announcement.

If it turns out 720 is using AMD fusion, then we knew about 720 before we even knew about WiiU.


We've known that X720 was gonna be at E3 2012 before the E3 that was before that E3.

That is some piss poor information management if you ask me.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on June 27, 2011, 05:14:17 PM
We didn't really know **** about WiiU until 2 months before announcement.

If it turns out 720 is using AMD fusion, then we knew about 720 before we even knew about WiiU.


We've known that X720 was gonna be at E3 2012 before the E3 that was before that E3.

That is some piss poor information management if you ask me.
*Shrug* Huge company.  Multi-market focused.  It happens.  Bad management would be we knew what the prototypes they are trying pretty much are.  Anyone knew that MS was going to use the newest DirectX because you wouldn't want it different then the PC.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Enner on June 27, 2011, 06:08:45 PM
2012 sounds too early for an Xbox 3 given how well the 360 has been selling. Looking at it from a hardware perspective, it's about time for an upgraded box. Does Microsoft really need to have a new box around the time the Wii U launches? I think they could wait a year (2013) or so.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: duetzFanz1 on June 28, 2011, 01:45:57 AM
I really don't think they need a new box so early. They sold a bunch of kinects so I think they won't release it that early until the kinect sales die down.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on June 28, 2011, 02:15:55 AM
2012 sounds too early for an Xbox 3 given how well the 360 has been selling. Looking at it from a hardware perspective, it's about time for an upgraded box. Does Microsoft really need to have a new box around the time the Wii U launches? I think they could wait a year (2013) or so.
I agree. Microsoft could probably even launch in 2014. They won't, but they probably could.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on June 30, 2011, 04:22:03 PM
I think MS is just really eager to fully tap in to the power of Kinect. Remember when we found out that Kinect wasn't running at full capacity? A new system would likely be designed around changing that. While announcing next summer and releasing a year later seems kinda early, that's 2 years from this holiday season. A lot could change in that time.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on July 11, 2011, 10:05:44 PM
So I heard a big rumor today that Microsoft is bringing Xbox live to Windows 8 with an Xbox 360 emulator. This is apparently going to have a monthly fee and will play the 360 DVDs. Interesting to say the least. I wonder what it means for the Xbox 720?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on July 11, 2011, 11:09:31 PM
So I heard a big rumor today that Microsoft is bringing Xbox live to Windows 8 with an Xbox 360 emulator. This is apparently going to have a monthly fee and will play the 360 DVDs. Interesting to say the least. I wonder what it means for the Xbox 720?
Sort of think its about time since you wouldn't really need much of an emulator.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Morari on July 12, 2011, 12:03:10 AM
So I heard a big rumor today that Microsoft is bringing Xbox live to Windows 8 with an Xbox 360 emulator. This is apparently going to have a monthly fee and will play the 360 DVDs. Interesting to say the least. I wonder what it means for the Xbox 720?

I'm not sure how I feel about that as a concept. It sure would be nice being able to play the few Xbox exclusive (or even multiplatform) games that aren't normally found on the PC. On the other hand, there is absolutely no way I would pay a monthly fee for said service. Games for Windows Live already failed largely due to that very push. PC gamers aren't gullible enough to let Microsoft double dip. We already pay for broadband, we don't need to pay access to game servers as well (in the case that they're not all peer-to-peer). Furthermore, I worry that if this became the norm, then PC games would be further watered down... or worse yet, sacrificed altogether in favor of the Xbox version and its emulated availability on the PC.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Enner on July 12, 2011, 04:53:19 AM
I wouldn't worry too much about PC gaming as long as there crazy developers in the Americas and Europe making equally crazy PC games. It'll just be harder to find them, that's all.

I take the Windows 8/Xbox 3/Xbox Live rumor to mean having more console ports to play on a PC. To give some credence to the rumor, the Games for Windows Live marketplace (that was relaunched/rebranded last year) will be soon absorbed in to Xbox Live. What this means for the Xbox 3 is that it will become even more of a (media center) PC and a further realization of the living room computing experience that Microsoft has been working on since WebTV.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 12, 2011, 09:23:42 AM
As bad as Sony is, its probably worse if Microsoft goes on to monopolize the industry. They already monopolized the PC market, so if they get this too then its going to be really bad for competition which in turn will be a terrible thing for consumers because it will take away choice.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on July 12, 2011, 09:26:09 AM
As bad as Sony is, its probably worse if Microsoft goes on to monopolize the industry. They already monopolized the PC market, so if they get this too then its going to be really bad for competition which in turn will be a terrible thing for consumers because it will take away choice.
But Apple and Linux will save the PC Market... lol.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Morari on July 12, 2011, 10:12:51 AM
I wouldn't worry too much about PC gaming as long as there crazy developers in the Americas and Europe making equally crazy PC games. It'll just be harder to find them, that's all.

It may not be harder to find them, but it may be harder to swallow the crap that comes with big name titles. There are already a few games that have been absolutely ruined by Games for Windows Live. Grand Theft Auto IV is a chore just to start up, and the recent Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition doesn't look too much better. Funny how DRM actually prevents legitimate sales rather than prevents piracy, isn't it?

Does anyone actually use their Xbox as a media center? The software looked pretty damn primitive... Oh, and you have to pay MS a monthly fee to access Netflix through it. You could build a much better HTPC for not too much more, or get a very capable Boxee device for about the same. Either way, you won't really be missing anything on TV. Cut that satellite/cable cord and save yourselves a phenomenal amount of money every year! ;)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on July 12, 2011, 10:26:56 AM
I wouldn't worry too much about PC gaming as long as there crazy developers in the Americas and Europe making equally crazy PC games. It'll just be harder to find them, that's all.

It may not be harder to find them, but it may be harder to swallow the crap that comes with big name titles. There are already a few games that have been absolutely ruined by Games for Windows Live. Grand Theft Auto IV is a chore just to start up, and the recent Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition doesn't look too much better. Funny how DRM actually prevents legitimate sales rather than prevents piracy, isn't it?

Does anyone actually use their Xbox as a media center? The software looked pretty damn primitive... Oh, and you have to pay MS a monthly fee to access Netflix through it. You could build a much better HTPC for not too much more, or get a very capable Boxee device for about the same. Either way, you won't really be missing anything on TV. Cut that satellite/cable cord and save yourselves a phenomenal amount of money every year! ;)
Or get a PS3 and your fully covered.  Use PlayOn to stream Hulu from your PC (Not paying for Hulu Plus), Netflix native app, use TVVersity or PlayOn to stream your PC Content (Any DLNA server would work), watch DVD's, and Watch Blu-Ray.  Especially with the Blu-Ray remote for it.  Get the benefits of not having to aim the remote with the wireless and a traditional remote setup.  Now if the accessory they released in Japan was here state side and let me translate over the air through my PS3 I never have to leave it except to play Wii.  PS3 may not be a great gaming machine but as a media center its very functional.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on July 12, 2011, 12:09:05 PM
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Grand Theft Auto IV is a chore just to start up, and the recent Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition doesn't look too much better.
I'll give you GTA IV since the series started on the PC but Street Fighter?  Who has ever played fighting games on a PC?  Any fighting game worth a **** starts in the arcade and for home versions it has clearly been a "console genre" since day one.  I don't like obtrusive DRM at all but if you want to play a fighting game, get a console.  You could never argue that the success of the Xbox has compromised fighting games on the PC because they were never there in any serious way to begin with.
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Post by: Enner on July 12, 2011, 03:59:23 PM
If I recall correctly, the majority or a huge chunk of traffic on Xbox Live is non-gaming. Looks like at least quite a fair amount of people use their 360 as a media center. Or at least a Netflix box.

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Grand Theft Auto IV is a chore just to start up, and the recent Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition doesn't look too much better.
I'll give you GTA IV since the series started on the PC but Street Fighter?  Who has ever played fighting games on a PC?  Any fighting game worth a **** starts in the arcade and for home versions it has clearly been a "console genre" since day one.  I don't like obtrusive DRM at all but if you want to play a fighting game, get a console.  You could never argue that the success of the Xbox has compromised fighting games on the PC because they were never there in any serious way to begin with.

There have been fighting games on the PC in the past. It's just that they have never been the Japanese ones unless they were emulated. These days, a few big fighting games make their way on to the PC. Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition being the latest. You can also get BlazBlu Calamity Trigger and some Guilty Gear games.

Also, fighting games on PC are worth it for the zany mods you can do.

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Morari on July 12, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Or get a PS3 and your fully covered.

No thanks. My HTPC does everything and more, for cheaper than a PS3 would have cost. I don't have the redundancy inherent in having a PS3 either. The only reason I get Nintendo consoles is because I can't get those games anywhere else. Outside of a small handful of games each generation, I don't miss out on anything "multiplatform".


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Grand Theft Auto IV is a chore just to start up, and the recent Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition doesn't look too much better.
I'll give you GTA IV since the series started on the PC but Street Fighter?  Who has ever played fighting games on a PC?  Any fighting game worth a **** starts in the arcade and for home versions it has clearly been a "console genre" since day one.  I don't like obtrusive DRM at all but if you want to play a fighting game, get a console.  You could never argue that the success of the Xbox has compromised fighting games on the PC because they were never there in any serious way to begin with.

Get a console? There's absolutely no reason that the genre shouldn't have a larger presence. There are plenty of good joysticks and arcade pads available that hook up USB. If anything, it'd be a better environment simply because of the peripheral selection. The problem isn't the platform, it's lazy developers seemingly intent on sabotaging their own product. BlazBlue does just fine on the PC, the original Street Fighter IV sold tremendously. The market is there. Of course, maybe I should just "get a console"... just not a Wii, since it doesn't have **** worth of selection in that particular genre... right? :P
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on July 12, 2011, 05:30:00 PM
So how much was your HTPC.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on July 12, 2011, 06:05:35 PM
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Get a console? There's absolutely no reason that the genre shouldn't have a larger presence. There are plenty of good joysticks and arcade pads available that hook up USB. If anything, it'd be a better environment simply because of the peripheral selection. The problem isn't the platform, it's lazy developers seemingly intent on sabotaging their own product. BlazBlue does just fine on the PC, the original Street Fighter IV sold tremendously. The market is there. Of course, maybe I should just "get a console"... just not a Wii, since it doesn't have **** worth of selection in that particular genre... right?
Well you seem to get pretty uppity about PC genres like FPS being "consolized".  Here is a genre that is more of a console genre and you're talking about it on the PC.  So shouldn't a console gamer like myself be concerned about it being "PCized"?  I personally have no problem with fighting games being on the PC but if we're going to have that, it has to go both ways.  Things are homogenizing and it seems that any genre that used to be associated with one platform is now common on the other.  If you want fighting games on the PC, console gamers should be free to ask for first person shooters.  But that means that distinction between the two platforms if going to blur and differentiate themselves less.
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Post by: Morari on July 12, 2011, 08:05:01 PM
Fighting games are an arcade genre. They already traditionally see their share of sacrifices when coming to the console market. The differences have lessened as arcades have died and consoles have become more capable however. Now if console gamers want first person shooter, they can have them. I don't want my experience hindered because the developers only catered to consoles though. I don't want muddy textures and low resolutions. I don't want clunky controls and auto-aim. Nor would I expect console gamers to have to play their fighting games solely with a keyboard. Developers need to tailor their games to utilize the strengths of the system they're on. As someone on a Nintendo site, I'd think you could understand that at least. :)


So how much was your HTPC.

I spent around $300 on parts when I first built it. In the six years I've been running it, I've probably spent another $100 on additional RAM and a new video card. I don't foresee it requiring any additional upgrades in the next few years. As of now it primarily runs Boxee, though is perfectly capable of anything else you would desire. I have quite a few emulators running on it for gaming even. I need to finish my Hyperspin frontend for those, actually...
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Post by: Ceric on July 12, 2011, 08:40:21 PM
lol, $400 dollars is a wash with the PS3 but, I was really just adding it to he list of alternatives.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 12, 2011, 11:08:00 PM
The PS3 is a way better media device than the 360. Neither one's as good as my jailbroken AppleTV, though. That thing's a hell of a deal for the price, especially if you own an iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.


EDIT: Goddammit, I didn't realize there was another page.
Title: 720 to have visuals on par with Avatar?
Post by: Caterkiller on July 19, 2011, 11:19:45 AM
You mean this hasn't happened yet?
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Technology company AMD (supplier of graphics hardware for the Xbox 360) is claiming that the Xbox 360's successor will be capable of producing the kind of visual detail seen in James Cameron's Avatar, as reported on examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/game-news-in-national/amd-xbox-720-graphics-will-look-like-avatar) via the August issue of Official Xbox Magazine US.

Cramming the kind of technology it took to render every frame of the eyeball-searing Avatar into a console within the next year or so sounds impossible, but AMD is claiming the next Xbox will launch with this within reach.

AMD would not confirm it was actually working on the next Xbox but director of ISV relationships at AMD, Neal Robison, has said that gamers have a lot to be excited about. Beyond visual fidelity Robison claims that the AI and physics capabilities of the next generation will allow for every pedestrian in an open-world title like GTA or Saints Row to be an individual character with a unique personality. This would mean NPCs would react in a whole host of new and different ways to in-game actions.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/118/1182471p1.html (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/118/1182471p1.html)
 
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by: Ceric on July 19, 2011, 11:22:50 AM
The PS3 is a way better media device than the 360. Neither one's as good as my jailbroken AppleTV, though. That thing's a hell of a deal for the price, especially if you own an iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.


EDIT: Goddammit, I didn't realize there was another page.

A little late on this one but, its sad it has to be Jailbroken.

You mean this hasn't happened yet?
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Technology company AMD (supplier of graphics hardware for the Xbox 360) is claiming that the Xbox 360's successor will be capable of producing the kind of visual detail seen in James Cameron's Avatar, as reported on examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/game-news-in-national/amd-xbox-720-graphics-will-look-like-avatar) via the August issue of Official Xbox Magazine US.

Cramming the kind of technology it took to render every frame of the eyeball-searing Avatar into a console within the next year or so sounds impossible, but AMD is claiming the next Xbox will launch with this within reach.

AMD would not confirm it was actually working on the next Xbox but director of ISV relationships at AMD, Neal Robison, has said that gamers have a lot to be excited about. Beyond visual fidelity Robison claims that the AI and physics capabilities of the next generation will allow for every pedestrian in an open-world title like GTA or Saints Row to be an individual character with a unique personality. This would mean NPCs would react in a whole host of new and different ways to in-game actions.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/118/1182471p1.html (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/118/1182471p1.html)
 
I'll believe it when I see it.


Agree.  Though they didn't say how long it would take to render that frame of Avatar :D.

Avatar Datacenter Article (http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/12/22/the-data-crunching-powerhouse-behind-avatar/)

Interesting some forums say it take 48hours per frame to render a traditional machine.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 19, 2011, 02:57:31 PM
AMD is bullshitting and just trying to get more people to buy their products thinking they can do it. Remember the PlayStation 2/Toy Story comparison? Yeah, the PS2 never was capable of that.
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Post by: SixthAngel on July 19, 2011, 11:09:29 PM
Come on guys, we all remember the how the ps2 had Toy Story graphics.

Seriously though, the next gen still won't be able to touch Toy Story so this is ridiculous.  Its one thing for Sony of MS to bullshit their console but this is supposed to be the company that makes the actual chips.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 19, 2011, 11:48:33 PM
The PS3 is a way better media device than the 360. Neither one's as good as my jailbroken AppleTV, though. That thing's a hell of a deal for the price, especially if you own an iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.


EDIT: Goddammit, I didn't realize there was another page.

A little late on this one but, its sad it has to be Jailbroken.

It's still pretty good without it, but the jailbreak makes it easier to play non-iTunes-formatted video and lets me run Plex Media Server on it, which is a fantastic interface for a device like that. AirPlay is awesome tech when you've got another iOS device, at least when the app supports it, which isn't nearly often enough. AirPlay support for MLS MatchDay Live was what made me buy the thing.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: alegoicoe on July 20, 2011, 06:40:03 PM
Avatar like graphics, right, and the n64 had ever evolving 3d worlds lol
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 21, 2011, 12:35:52 AM
Develop-Online says:
MS won't reveal 720 till E3 2013 for a late 2013 release
http://www.develop-online.net/news/38917/Sources-point-to-2013-launch-for-Xbox-Next
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Microsoft and industry partners are working towards a 2013 launch of the next generation Xbox, Develop understands.

Multiple sources across the industry, from processor chip manufacturers to middleware firms, have told Develop they expect the console to be fully unveiled at E3 2013, months before its release. The collection of data points to a 2013 launch for the system across all main regions, though early 2014 remains a possibility.

A loud "sighhhhhh" is heard coming from the Nintendo camp.
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Post by: Ceric on October 21, 2011, 09:47:43 AM
So they have a year to convince 360 owners that waiting the year for MS new console is a futile effort?
Nintendo has an uphill battle much more so then if they had 2 years.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 21, 2011, 01:07:05 PM
The fact the Wii U's competition is far off is both a good thing and a bad thing from Nintendo's perspective. Its bad because the later the competition shows up the more powerful that competition is likely going to be when it does appear. But the positives of having such an early head start probably outweighs that negative.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Caterkiller on October 22, 2011, 02:19:42 PM
So who is expecting another Wii to 360 gap? Or is anyone expecting a PS2 to GCN gap? At this point I would love to see what Microsofts console will be able to do visually and how much they are going to incorporate motion and a tablet.

I think Nintendo is in a great position.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 22, 2011, 03:22:40 PM
If 720 comes end of 2012, the I expect an GC -> Xbox gap
(no real discernable difference)

if 720/PS4 comes end of 2013, then I expect a PS2 -> Xbox gap
(noticeable but nothing that shouldn't easily scale between the 2 groups)

if PS4 comes end of 2014, then I expect a DC -> PS2 -> Wii gap
(engines should scale, but graphical leap will be easily recognized)

Truth is that graphically, regardless of what 720/PS4 have packed under the hood, all 3 next-gen systems should be able to support the same graphical effects on the same exact engines.
It will all come down to which machine can do more of them at once, across the whole scene and at 60fps when pushed, and which ones need to be scaled back a little to get a similar effect. Outside of the detail oriented internet folk that will compare everything side-by-side, I don't expect the average Joe to see much of a difference (graphically) between the 3.

Feature set, controller, User Interface and exclusive games will be the difference maker next gen, not graphics.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 22, 2011, 04:11:34 PM
The next Xbox will not be called "Xbox 720". Not only does it not make any sense, but 720 would confuse consumers because 720 is an HD resolution and not even the best HD resolution either, so consumers who own TVs capable of 1080 output or whatever might think the XBOX 720 would not output to the fullest potential. So no, that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 22, 2011, 04:23:59 PM
WHO FUCKING CARES

why does this have to be re-explained time and time again.
Xbox720 is the unofficial universal codename for the Next Gen Xbox that we all use to refer to the Next Gen Xbox with out having to type out Next Gen Xbox since none of us know what it will be called, now stop bringing it up.

Xbox720Xbox720Xbox720Xbox720Xbox720Xbox720Xbox720Xbox720Xbox720Xbox720Xbox720
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Post by: King of Twitch on October 22, 2011, 04:24:40 PM
Then XBOX 420 it is.

8 - ))))))))))))))))))))))
Title: Xbox720 = Xbox L∞p?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 22, 2011, 11:16:47 PM
Could the Nextbox codename be "Loop"?

Xbox Loop? Xbox L∞p?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=449403 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=449403)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32041554&postcount=1 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32041554&postcount=1)
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Note/Glossary: If some of the acronyms don't make sense, RTW = release to web, RTM = release to manufacturing, RC = release candidate, 3G = third generation, and we think PU = product update given that Windows 8 has one well after its release.
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http://msnerd.tumblr.com/post/11725284513/rhythm (http://msnerd.tumblr.com/post/11725284513/rhythm)

CES 2012
Win8 + WinStore beta
<ONM> CTP
Tango1 launch

MWC 2012
Tango2 SDK

MIX 2012
Win8 RC
<ONM> beta
Tango2 launch + Apollo announce
Kinect commercial SDK

E3 2012
Xbox SDK, 3G Kinect games announce
Apollo SDK
Win8 RTM

Aug 2012
Win8, <ONM>, WP8, Xbox Store launch

Build 2012
XAML+XDE platform
Win8 PU DP
<OSN> announce

CES 2013
Win8 PU Beta

MWC 2013
Apollo+1 teaser

MIX 2013
HTML platform (IE11)
Win8 PU RC
<OSN> Beta
Apollo+1 SDK

E3 2013
Xbox”loop” announce

Win8 PU RTM

Build 2013
Win9 DP
<OSN> RTM
Xbox”loop” launch

CES 2014
Win9 Beta

MWC 2014
WPN teaser

MIX 2014
Win9 RC
WPN SDK
Kinect SDK update

E3 2014
Kinect HP2 announce
Xbox PU announce

Build 2014
Win9 RTM (IE12)
Win9M RTM
<OSN+1> CTP
Xbox PU preview

Nov 2014
Win9, Win9M, Kinect HP2 launch
Xbox PU RTW



And if this is anything to go by, that would confirm the 2013 release timetable.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on October 24, 2011, 10:39:59 PM
Also seems to imply that the system would also let Kinect be used at full capacity.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 25, 2011, 01:32:09 PM
Nickmitch, what is your avatar supposed to be? I find it disturbing. Looks like a human head with the skin removed and the flesh and stuff exposed. I can't read the caption because it is too small. What is the skinless skull saying?
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Post by: nickmitch on October 30, 2011, 12:48:33 AM
It's Zombie Deadpool. Marvel Comics had a special where, in a parallel universe, everyone was zombies. Deadpool got in to the "real world" though. Deadpool being already hideous means his zombie form is extra gross.

Edit:
Here's a larger version:
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m74/nickmitch889/863049-picture_7_super.png)
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Post by: ThePerm on October 30, 2011, 05:10:13 AM
Heres a question, do you think it is better for Microsoft if Nintendo does well? It seems that its always better for Nintendo and Microsoft if Sony does poorly.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 30, 2011, 09:10:22 AM
Heres a question, do you think it is better for Microsoft if Nintendo does well? It seems that its always better for Nintendo and Microsoft if Sony does poorly.

That was true coming into this current generation because the PS2 had like 90% marketshare (not quite that high, but something like that). So it was in both Microsoft and Nintendo's best interest if a blue turtle shell homed in on Sony and took them out of their lead position. Since that's already happened and since Sony is now in 3rd place, I don't think its quite as relevant now as it was then.
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Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2011, 09:37:19 AM
Sony took themselves out of their lead position by releasing a $600 console. They aren't even a distant 3rd right now.
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Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2011, 02:37:19 PM
Sony took themselves out of their lead position by releasing a $600 console. They aren't even a distant 3rd right now.
w/out BC.  Those together got rid of the dead PS2 upgrades.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 30, 2011, 03:27:13 PM
The only thing Nintendo could do to help MS is take 3rd party exclusives from Sony. People already saw the Wii as a secondary console (including Nintendo) and Wii U is essentially gonna start off that way. People just need the reason to stop buying PS3s and PS3 games.
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Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2011, 05:37:35 PM
I can't remember the last good PS3 exclusive that Sony didn't make themselves. Beyond The Last Guardian, I don't see myself caring much about any 1st party Sony title. God of War has run its course. Uncharted is seeing its 4th installment and I'm beginning to think that series is starting to show its age. Among Thieves was one of te best games ever made, Drake's Deception refines it further and ups the ante. Not really sure what Golden Abyss adds. The movie is probably coming out in 2013 and unless they cast Nathan Fillion (and Jeff Bridges as Sully), I doubt I'll care. Nintendo is given **** for pumping out sequels but Sony is far worse. Look how many sequels to their big franchises they've released in the past 5 years.

I still think Nintendo offers the best 1st party titles and if they can convince 3rd parties to give Wii U equal support, they're on the right path. As long as the hardware is in the same ballpark and support is no issue, Nintendo's own titles will keep them competitive.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 30, 2011, 06:37:47 PM
haha, its good and weird that Sony has become self sufficient. In the PSX days they just made shitty titles and I had no respect for them as a console maker. Playstation wouldn't be anywhere without Final Fantasy 7, Resident Evil, Crash Bandicoot, and Metal Gear Solid.
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Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2011, 07:03:54 PM
haha, its good and weird that Sony has become self sufficient. In the PSX days they just made shitty titles and I had no respect for them as a console maker. Playstation wouldn't be anywhere without Final Fantasy 7, Resident Evil, Crash Bandicoot, and Metal Gear Solid.
Sony Dabbled in 1st party exclusives on the PS2 and had some powerhouses, Gran Tourismo.  Then when they PS3 came out they were forced to support themselves with them.  They just didn't have the experience Nintendo had with First Party games.  Ironically Sony really is a Hardware company even though they take losses on the hardware.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2011, 06:43:23 AM
Sony just had their n64 generation.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 31, 2011, 03:17:57 PM
Sony just had their n64 generation.

Does this mean the PS4 will be Sony's Gamecube generation?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 31, 2011, 07:56:44 PM
Sony just had their n64 generation.

Does this mean the PS4 will be Sony's Gamecube generation?

Depending on how you look at it, they're doing it out of order, so let's hope that it's not their Wii generation.
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Post by: Adrock on November 01, 2011, 02:24:01 AM
Don't be silly. That would require Sony's hardware division to have an ounce of creativity.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 01, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
Sony just had their n64 generation.

Does this mean the PS4 will be Sony's Gamecube generation?

Depending on how you look at it, they're doing it out of order, so let's hope that it's not their Wii generation.

I think they've already had their Wii generation with the PS2. I think Sony's best console days are in the past, and if they ever manages to get back to 1st place they would be extremely lucky, but even if they do they won't have as huge a margin as they did with the PS2. That will never happen again.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 02, 2011, 09:54:47 PM
Well, the PS3 probably hasn't maxed out spec wise just yet. If they can hold it down during all this Wii U business, then they can take one more innovative risk before having to put out a new console (see other thread). Even if that works, but push still came to shove, they could still put out the PS4. MS on the other hand, might be forced to play a hand since Kinect can't (or just isn't) be(ing) used at its full capacity on the current hardware.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 03, 2011, 05:28:02 AM
well i look at it as Sony is 2 generations behind Nintendo as far as their esablishment goes

PSX was NES the start of something that got a lot of support
PS2 was super Nintendo some competition arises but its still dominant
Ps3 was n64 **** turns on a dime, they got schooled, but the quality of their releases is pretty good comparatively
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 03, 2011, 08:53:09 PM
I remember comparing the PS3 to the N64 close to the start of this gen, so it's kind of neat to see people validating my opinion near its end.  8)
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Post by: broodwars on November 03, 2011, 11:33:06 PM
Sony took themselves out of their lead position by releasing a $600 console. They aren't even a distant 3rd right now.

Actually, there was a news story just the other day that in terms of hardware units sold, Sony's in a statistical tie with Microsoft.  Microsoft does vastly outsell Sony on the software side, though.
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Post by: broodwars on November 03, 2011, 11:38:48 PM
Sony Dabbled in 1st party exclusives on the PS2 and had some powerhouses, Gran Tourismo.  Then when they PS3 came out they were forced to support themselves with them.  They just didn't have the experience Nintendo had with First Party games.  Ironically Sony really is a Hardware company even though they take losses on the hardware.

That said, you really can't argue that Sony's 1st party studios haven't turned out some quality and in some cases unique/interesting titles this generation.  Nintendo would never have published a game like Heavy Rain, and it did well for Sony despite its issues.  Then there's the Uncharted trilogy, the Resistance trilogy, the Killzone duo, the Ratchet & Clank Future "trilogy" (counting Quest for Booty), the LittleBigPlanet duo, God of War 3, the Infamous duo, the upcoming 4th Sly Cooper game, etc.

And yes, I know that Insomniac is now a multi-platform studio.

I may not care for some of those titles like LittleBigPlanet and God of War 3, but overall Sony's kept me pretty satisfied this generation when it comes to PS3 exclusives.  It's just a shame that the albatross of the PS3's god-awful first few years still hangs over it like it does, because I think the console has long since redeemed itself.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on November 04, 2011, 10:28:13 AM
Actually, there was a news story just the other day that in terms of hardware units sold, Sony's in a statistical tie with Microsoft.  Microsoft does vastly outsell Sony on the software side, though.
The article I read had PS3 still trailing but closer than it has ever been to 360. Regardless, point is that Sony has done an admirable job of staying competitive despite being total **** ups for pretty much this entire generation.

You're right about the software sales but Sony still gets all of the major 3rd party games which is important part.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 04, 2011, 12:31:47 PM
Sony Dabbled in 1st party exclusives on the PS2 and had some powerhouses, Gran Tourismo.  Then when they PS3 came out they were forced to support themselves with them.  They just didn't have the experience Nintendo had with First Party games.  Ironically Sony really is a Hardware company even though they take losses on the hardware.

That said, you really can't argue that Sony's 1st party studios haven't turned out some quality and in some cases unique/interesting titles this generation.  Nintendo would never have published a game like Heavy Rain, and it did well for Sony despite its issues.  Then there's the Uncharted trilogy, the Resistance trilogy, the Killzone duo, the Ratchet & Clank Future "trilogy" (counting Quest for Booty), the LittleBigPlanet duo, God of War 3, the Infamous duo, the upcoming 4th Sly Cooper game, etc.

And yes, I know that Insomniac is now a multi-platform studio.

I may not care for some of those titles like LittleBigPlanet and God of War 3, but overall Sony's kept me pretty satisfied this generation when it comes to PS3 exclusives.  It's just a shame that the albatross of the PS3's god-awful first few years still hangs over it like it does, because I think the console has long since redeemed itself.
Agree.  Though most of those haven't really brought people to the platform as much. 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2011, 05:52:29 PM
More from MSNerd
(the guy with the supposed MS timetable leak Xbox720 = Xbox L∞p? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg702272#msg702272))
http://msnerd.tumblr.com/post/12233928364/clarity (http://msnerd.tumblr.com/post/12233928364/clarity)
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The Xbox is another story altogether. With a heady mix of rumors, tips and speculation, I am now stating that Xbox codename “loop” (the erstwhile XboxTV) will indeed debut a modified Win9 core. It will use a Zune HD-like hardware platform—a “main” processor with multiple dedicated assistive cores for graphics, AI, physics, sound, networking, encryption and sensors. It will be custom designed by Microsoft and two partners based on the ARM architecture. It will be cheaper than the 360, further enabling Kinect adoption. And it will be far smaller than the 360. It will also demonstrate how Windows Phone could possible implement Win9’s dev platform on the lower end.


So loop isn't the next Xbox?
Is Loop some sort of XBLive box/set-top cable box/internet portal/DVR?

What is Xbox Loop!?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 04, 2011, 06:39:29 PM
Still sounds like the next XBox.  Phone7 uses XNA already for games.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 04, 2011, 07:01:55 PM
According to wikipedia the PS3 has sold 55 million units to date, which is almost as much as the 360 which has sold 57 million. So the PS3 has really moved forward by leaps and bounds since a few years ago when it was in a distant third, and this is particularly amazing considering the 360 had a year or so head start. At this rate the PS3 may very well over take the 360, and that could happen even before the end of the year.

Microsoft should seriously be considering a price drop if they want to prevent that from happening.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2011, 07:14:55 PM

Still sounds like the next XBox.  Phone7 uses XNA already for games.

Cheaper than the 360
Smaller than the 360
and based on ARM?

that doesn't sound like the next Xbox to me. Not based on previous rumors about AMD Fusion based designs that were going around before hand.... unless that AMD "leak" really was related to Nintendo afterall (which hardly seems possible since IBM is doing the CPU).


and the leaker is calling it XboxTV.
Sounds more like a spin off companion device that will still allow games (download only?) but be aimed more at the casual audience like AppleTV meets Wii (minus the disc based games) only with Xbox branding. Something cheap to go under all the other TV's you have in the house but still allow you to use your XBL account and use all of it's features (Netflix, Hulu+, Facebook, Twitter, XBLA, etc etc)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 04, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
unless that AMD "leak" really was related to Nintendo afterall (which hardly seems possible since IBM is doing the CPU).

Which AMD leak?  'Cause AMD bought ATI, who made Nintendo's last two graphics chips, so both AMD and IBM are probably involved in Wii U.  Was the leak about CPU specs specifically?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kytim89 on November 04, 2011, 07:36:53 PM
Could Microsoft develope a tablet controller of their own to go up against the Wii U before releasing the Xbox 720?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2011, 07:45:29 PM
unless that AMD "leak" really was related to Nintendo afterall (which hardly seems possible since IBM is doing the CPU).

Which AMD leak?  'Cause AMD bought ATI, who made Nintendo's last two graphics chips, so both AMD and IBM are probably involved in Wii U.  Was the leak about CPU specs specifically?
This rumor
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg645130#msg645130 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg645130#msg645130)
and this rumor (March - no link, I didn't want to out the source and possibly get him fired)
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676207#msg676207 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676207#msg676207)

It was basically that an AMD employee mentioned that they were working on a "Fusion" based chip for a major console that was to be ready to ship by the end of 2012. He said that they were told to push the schedule forward to earlier in the year, so now they were in sort of a crunch time at work.

He didn't specify which of the 3 it was and since we all assumed that AMD wasn't fusioning an IBM CPU with an AMD GPU for Nintendo, that it must have been another chip for MS. That is when a lot of speculation that X720 was gonna launch at the end of 2012 to compete with Wii2 (now known as Wii U) was going on.

It also has to be known that (AFAIK) the Xbox Slim redesign was a sort of "fusion"ing of the AMD GPU and the IBM CPU onto a single chip reducing the power draw and improving the overall performance of the chip since it was now done at a smaller fab process.

With rumors that Xbox720 isn't coming till atleast 2013 and maybe not until 2014, I guess it could be possible that a joint effort between IBM and AMD could produce a "fusion"ed chip for Nintendo. But the supposed "leak" hasn't been proven in any way and the original "leak" hasn't commented on it since. So who knows what's really going on.

Also IBM already stated that they are doing 45nm for the Wii U GPU and AMD is pushing for something that is likely much smaller than that (hopefully 28nm). So I really don't see the Wii U being a mixed nm SoC... but I don't know if that is even possible or not.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 04, 2011, 09:24:38 PM
Why not?
Its well known that MS coding Windows 8 with Arm in mind as a platform.  By the description it has pretty much specialized processors for all the common pieces of a game.  Microsoft saw the price point for true consumer level and even though the 360 was better then the Xbox I'm sure they learned from it to lower the cost more.  MS needs to solid profits this time because the XBox isn't helping  the core MS brand as much as originally wanted.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 05, 2011, 12:35:13 AM
Please call it Xbox 420 instead of Xbox 720. 4 comes after 3 so it makes more sense.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 05, 2011, 12:37:43 AM
and 2 comes after 1 but they still called it 360, so whats your point?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Shaymin on November 05, 2011, 08:43:51 AM
It's also a fairer reflection of the Xbox's target market.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on November 05, 2011, 12:33:32 PM
It's also a fairer reflection of the Xbox's target market.

+1
Title: Xbox "Ten" in 2012
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 08, 2011, 07:54:53 PM
Xbox Ten... 80? release 2012!?
http://twit.tv/show/windows-weekly/233 (http://twit.tv/show/windows-weekly/233)
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Rumor: Next Xbox will be announced at CES 2012
Codenamed TEN, is all about Metro, embedded Silverlight and an Apple-like integration with Windows and Windows Phone
The dashboard preview is supposedly this week (tomorrow?) and will include the Bing search integration, Live TV hooks and more
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 08, 2011, 08:00:22 PM
Xbox Ten... 80? release 2012!?
http://twit.tv/show/windows-weekly/233 (http://twit.tv/show/windows-weekly/233)
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Rumor: Next Xbox will be announced at CES 2012
Codenamed TEN, is all about Metro, embedded Silverlight and an Apple-like integration with Windows and Windows Phone
The dashboard preview is supposedly this week (tomorrow?) and will include the Bing search integration, Live TV hooks and more
About time.  Microsoft shouldn't have been behind integration wis with Apple considering how obvious it was.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 09, 2011, 12:28:15 AM
The problem is though that the stuff it will integrate with is pure horseshit.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 09, 2011, 04:42:09 AM
The problem is though that the stuff it will integrate with is pure horseshit.

I predict the next Xbox will be prone to viruses and BSODs.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2011, 06:14:17 AM
The problem is though that the stuff it will integrate with is pure horseshit.
Compared to what?
You must hate all phone and computer OSes if you believe that.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 09, 2011, 06:44:54 AM
The problem is though that the stuff it will integrate with is pure horseshit.
Compared to what?
You must hate all phone and computer OSes if you believe that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGLhuF3L48U
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2011, 10:15:33 AM
The problem is though that the stuff it will integrate with is pure horseshit.
Compared to what?
You must hate all phone and computer OSes if you believe that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGLhuF3L48U
They've confirmed Windows 98 integration?  Well thats a shocker considering its been EoL for over 10 years now. 

I mean officially XP is no longer supported as well.  Its in extended support.  Vista loses support next year which will be before this comes out.  So we are talking Phone 7 and Windows 7.

Frankly parity between OSes have really never been higher.
I doubt any of you have used Phone 7 extensively.  At the worse its on par to iOS and Android but, I rarely find anyone whose had a problem with the Phones and the OS itself.

Its cool to not like Windows.  That I understand but, from a clean slate its not really that bad at all now.  Unfortunetly though most of the world really love XP which MS is really trying to get people to move from.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2011, 11:05:10 AM
Its cool to not like Windows.  That I understand but, from a clean slate its not really that bad at all now.  Unfortunetly though most of the world really love XP which MS is really trying to get people to move from.

Well, alot of people were burned by Vista to the point that they begged to be downgraded back to XP and now refuse to move on. Windows7 has been great so far though, so I hope they atleast keep it on par with that and let everyone else know that Win7 is what Vista was supposed to be so that they feel comfortable upgrading to something more modern.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2011, 11:07:48 AM
Its cool to not like Windows.  That I understand but, from a clean slate its not really that bad at all now.  Unfortunetly though most of the world really love XP which MS is really trying to get people to move from.

Well, alot of people were burned by Vista to the point that they begged to be downgraded back to XP and now refuse to move on. Windows7 has been great so far though, so I hope they atleast keep it on par with that and let everyone else know that Win7 is what Vista was supposed to be so that they feel comfortable upgrading to something more modern.
Yeah, I was burned by Vista because the Beta version was better then the Release version.
Title: XboxInfinty @ CES 2012!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2011, 10:50:47 AM
Xbox Loop/Ten/1080 to have a Hexacore CPU, Dual GPUs & 2GB DDR3 RAM?
Sounds great, except for the DDR3 part.
http://www.xboxygen.com/Xbox-720/Nouvelle-Xbox-CES-2012-et-GPU-ATI (http://www.xboxygen.com/Xbox-720/Nouvelle-Xbox-CES-2012-et-GPU-ATI)
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We have already talked about a lot of the new Xbox and the name of Loop Xbox has already come twice. Today is another source who told Xboxygen some new details about the next Xbox. We will not disclose obviously not his name, but just know that it is near the middle of Microsoft .

Our source tells us that the project first began in 2005 and is divided into two parts: Part Infinity for all that hardware and part Loop for the software.

It also tells us that an announcement will be made at CES 2012. Not necessarily with a huge announcement of the first games already, but we should have some information on the new console, as some of its capabilities. CPU level, it would be a hexa-core with 2GB of DDR3, and our source also told us of a prototype dual-GPU AMD. We could not know the RAM.

Apparently Sony is also on the alert for the Playstation 4 and the teams also expect an announcement not so long ago by the Japanese giant.

The CES 2012 will start on January 10 and count on us to follow very closely what will have to say Microsoft for this show. This is an opportunity to confirm this information or not.

Nintendo is supposed to be sharing some more Wii U news after Xmas or early next year too.
Maybe we will get that Wii U update at CES too.

I guess that will make Sony the odd man out this next Generation.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 15, 2011, 11:12:02 AM
So "Xbox Loop" is the name of the new console?

With a name like that, plus with the Kinect and the focus on that, I predict the Xbox brand's popularity with hardcore gamers is likely to diminish somewhat.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2011, 12:00:02 PM
The rumor I posted a week or so ago stated that it was codenamed Xbox Loop

The rumor today states that the hardware is codenamed Infinity & the software is codenamed Loop.

If you put that together, you get Xbox InfinityLoop or XboxL∞p or maybe even Xbox
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 15, 2011, 12:01:18 PM
XBox Loop isn't the name of the console if the latest rumor is to believe.  Infinity and Loop are out because MS almost never names there system after code names.

This is also sort of consistent with the earlier rumor where the system had dedicated processors for each section.  Though in this case it would be dedicated cores which now days amounts to about the same thing.

Dual Core GPU makes me think that the second isn't really for graphics but for physics processing and other things that lend themselves to being done on a GPU.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2011, 11:52:46 AM
Devs get XboxL∞p SDK's before years end?
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/next-generation-arrive-2012 (http://www.next-gen.biz/news/next-generation-arrive-2012)
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Ubisoft Montreal is hard at work on 'target boxes' based on the intended specifications of Microsoft’s Xbox 360 successor, according to an Edge source. Delivery of the first iteration of genuine devkits, running custom hardware, is expected to reach studios before Christmas, and all signs point to the finalised console arriving at retail in late 2012.

Ubisoft’s teams are said to be working on PCs containing off-the-shelf components provided by Microsoft, and it’s our understanding that several other major developers, including certain EA studios, are also in possession of these target boxes. While our source was unable to share precise specifications, it is believed that AMD is providing the bespoke GPU solution for Microsoft’s console. A Ubisoft spokesperson said: "We do not comment on rumour and speculation."

We can also reveal that one major Sony-owned studio has now ceased PlayStation 3 development, its entire focus having shifted to the console’s successor. The studio is also said to have been involved in the development process of the graphics technology adopted by Sony’s new hardware.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 16, 2011, 12:09:57 PM
Considering the time it takes to make games for the PS3 I wouldn't be to surprised to see work start on a 2014 Launch title now.  Though I be very surprised to see the next XBox out at Christmas next year.  Very surprised.

Now I fully expect the next version of Direct X to be finished and pushed out for consumer use on the PC by then.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2011, 04:35:31 PM
360 came out in 2005, why would a new system being ready at the end of year 7 be a surprise? Especially when it's been rumored for quite some time (see thread OP) that it was coming near end of 2012?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 16, 2011, 05:27:10 PM
360 came out in 2005, why would a new system being ready at the end of year 7 be a surprise? Especially when it's been rumored for quite some time (see thread OP) that it was coming near end of 2012?
Mostly because MS didn't play that card even official rumor wise when Nintendo announced the Wii U.

I see the system showing up next year hardware complete but, I don't see it being ready to go by Christmas.

Lets say the rumor is true and Alpha Dev hardware is going out in December.  1 year to make a good series of launch titles for the system just seems way to short.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Stogi on November 16, 2011, 06:07:01 PM
I actually hope Microsoft does release a new Xbox next year. I also hope it's powerful and expensive. If Nintendo can hit the $250 mark again, then it's the Wii all over again.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2011, 06:31:31 PM
I've heard that the tablet is more expensive than we want to believe, and that the Wii U specs are still a moving target, so I wouldn't hold out for a $250 price point, but you just never know.

With MS supposedly aiming for a 6core CPU and dual GPUs, i'm expecting them to come in at around the same place they did this gen, $400.

I'd be happy if Nintendo could keep it sub $350 ($299.99 would be good) and keep it competitive with the  feature set and keep Online Free.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on November 16, 2011, 06:51:57 PM
If the cost of the tablet forces Nintendo to lower the specs, I'm going to be pissed off.  That would the Wii again, where specs are compromised in favour of a gimmicky controller.  If Nintendo wants to force us to buy their gimmick controller they should just eat it and take less of a profit or potentially break even on it.  Once you compromise the hardware you're putting all your eggs in the gimmick basket and that's the whole Wii problem right there.  They said "motion control is all we got!" and every third party developer that doesn't make shovelware trash said "Okay then.  See ya."
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 16, 2011, 11:09:04 PM
The Holy 200-250 Price spot isn't realistic at all anymore.  That like saying gas should only be 80 cents or less because that what it was when the first time that price point was used.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on November 16, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
Nintendo just needs to not be scare of the higher price point. They clearly weren't with the 3DS, but after having to slash it so early, the position might have changed.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on November 17, 2011, 12:55:51 AM
Does anyone here actually plan to buy this anywhere near release after the RROD fiasco?  If it comes out in 2012 it seems like they are rushing it too.

I doubt it comes out in 2012 though.  There just wouldn't be the software for it unless they take the Twilight Princess approach with a bunch of games (including third parties).
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 17, 2011, 01:08:29 AM
I doubt it comes out in 2012 though.  There just wouldn't be the software for it unless they take the Twilight Princess approach with a bunch of games (including third parties).

That pretty much describes the launch of the Xbox 360 too.

I think Microsoft will be more careful with the hardware than they were with the Xbox 360, it cost them over $1 billion and got a lot of bad publicity and I don't think they would want a repeat of that.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: that Baby guy on November 17, 2011, 03:00:02 AM
I've said it before, but I think most of these rumors aren't about a gaming console, but rather an Xbox-branded set-top box for Video-on-demand, comparable to the Roku XS. Yeah, the thing may be able to play a few basic games, but with the rumor about the loop having an ARM-based processor, I don't see it being a power-based gaming machine. I think rumors are being crossed, and the loop, or whatever the machine with a "Zune-like interface" is going to be called isn't going to be a 360 successor, but rather an expansion of the Xbox brand, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 17, 2011, 04:57:29 AM
The Wii U will be $249.99.... eventually... after a year or two when the price is cut. But it won't launch that cheap.

$299.99 is possible, but I'm seeing $329.99 or $349.99 as more likely targets.

I've said it before, but I think most of these rumors aren't about a gaming console, but rather an Xbox-branded set-top box for Video-on-demand, comparable to the Roku XS. Yeah, the thing may be able to play a few basic games, but with the rumor about the loop having an ARM-based processor, I don't see it being a power-based gaming machine. I think rumors are being crossed, and the loop, or whatever the machine with a "Zune-like interface" is going to be called isn't going to be a 360 successor, but rather an expansion of the Xbox brand, plain and simple.


Isn't ARM processors generally used in handheld devices? Therefore, perhaps this Xbox Loop is the Xbox line's long overdue entry into the handheld arena?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 17, 2011, 08:47:55 AM
MS has made it pretty clear that Phone 7 is the closest you'll get to an XBox portable.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 18, 2011, 08:43:39 PM
Supposedly Blizzard got a neXbox1080 Dev Kit
no other details about it except that it was more official than slapped together computer parts.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 18, 2011, 10:05:57 PM
Supposedly Blizzard got a neXbox1080 Dev Kit
no other details about it except that it was more official than slapped together computer parts.
Blizzard/Activision I be surprised if they didn't get one.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: that Baby guy on November 18, 2011, 10:47:43 PM
MS has made it pretty clear that Phone 7 is the closest you'll get to an XBox portable.

Yeah, that was then. This is now. Now, the iPod Touch is a viable multimedia device that isn't exactly a hand-held MP3 player, movie player, or game machine. And guess what? The Xbox isn't exactly just a game machine, but also a social media device and a video player.

All I'm saying is that something can have the Xbox name without being only about games. At this point, Xbox is about simplicity-driven media. Games, TV, movies, and sports for now. Why not add music on the go, give it a zune-like interface, and hit the market again? It wouldn't be a gaming-focused machine, but the name "Xbox" would fit well. We've seen Xbox Live featured on the Windows Phone (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/default.aspx?qstr=WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=Search&cmpid=3374A0B1-BA9D-48DC-99F7-C1B83C1D4CE4#games-hub) already, after all.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on November 19, 2011, 12:54:29 PM
Does anyone here actually plan to buy this anywhere near release after the RROD fiasco?  If it comes out in 2012 it seems like they are rushing it too.

After all the revisions and refunds they had to do, I'm sure they've learned their lesson about that. I couldn't imagine something like that happening again. It'd be silly.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on November 21, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
After all the revisions and refunds they had to do, I'm sure they've learned their lesson about that. I couldn't imagine something like that happening again. It'd be silly.
This isn't a lesson companies need to learn.  No one wants to lose a billion dollars because they rushed a system out and every company already has systems in place to avoid these things.   It was already silly that it happened once.  Besides, I think that they believe the faulty models were well worth the head start they got on the other systems.

I also find the idea that a company that absolutely screwed the pooch once won't do it again because they learned their lesson absolutely abhorrent.  Companies that do something bad like this once quite often do something similar again because the underlying problem is in their culture and how they run their business.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on November 21, 2011, 03:01:21 AM
I think they just underestimated the level of risk they were taking. The year's advantage probably helped them a whole a lot especially since Sony stumbled even more out of the gate than MS did.
I think you might be a little bit harsh on MS. I think they get one more shot at a **** up like that before it's a real problem.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 21, 2011, 08:26:47 AM
*shrug*
Since the 360 and Vista MS has been trying to address the type of mentality that let a faulty product go out like that.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on November 21, 2011, 06:07:00 PM
will Xbox remain Green, I think a Fuchsia color scheme would be cool.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 21, 2011, 06:45:12 PM
will Xbox remain Green, I think a Fuchsia color scheme would be cool.
It will stay green.  There is a story behind that.  I'll find an article or type it out when I'm at my comp.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 21, 2011, 07:56:24 PM
I don't want the Sounders jerseys to be fuchsia.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 21, 2011, 08:01:00 PM
The Xbox brand is firmly entrenched in green, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2011, 08:15:11 PM
Green or no green, Pachter says that we are crazy if we think a new Xbox is coming before 2014.
He says all these leaks are about a new version of Xbox360 designed to run Win8.
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/xbox-720-wont-launch-until-2014-rumors-for-2012-are-just-plain-silly/ (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/xbox-720-wont-launch-until-2014-rumors-for-2012-are-just-plain-silly/)
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"Those rumors are silly. Microsoft is still selling a ton of Xbox 360s, and they won't replace the existing one until sales begin to slow. I think the rumors are based upon leaks about modifying the current Xbox 360 to allow it to operate Windows 8," Pachter commented. "I fully expect a new model of Xbox 360 by holiday 2012, but don't think we see a new console altogether from Microsoft until 2014."


To hell with capitalizing on current successes... MS should wait till 360 dies down before releasing the next gen hardware. No worries with leaving Nintendo to scoop up all those fanbois desperate for hotter graphics with advanced cloth and boob physics.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 21, 2011, 08:18:13 PM
Is it just me, or does Pachter shooting it down make you more likely to believe it is coming next year?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2011, 08:21:53 PM
Well I think it's perfectly plausible that MS is gonna release a WiiXboxHD in the next 12 months.




edit: I forgot to add the  ::)  just in case the sarcasm wasn't think enough to drip off like syrup.
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Post by: Adrock on November 21, 2011, 09:05:13 PM
Why would any Xbox need to run Windows 8?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 21, 2011, 09:20:59 PM
Why would any Xbox need to run Windows 8?

To do spreadsheets and whatever else people do with computers. Hasn't Microsoft's strategy all along been to use the whole xbox thing as a Trojan horse to continue (or even expand) their Windows monopoly?

But doesn't the 360 only have 256 or 512MB of RAM? Would that even be enough to run Windows 8? The only way I can see this happening is if this supposed new revision has at least double if not quadruple the RAM, which would actually be comparable to what Nintendo did with the DSi (the DSi has like 4 times the RAM as regular DSes, which it needs in order to run the web browser). I suppose it is also possible Microsoft could create a stripped down barebones version of Windows 8 which could manage to work on the 360 as is.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 21, 2011, 09:46:35 PM
I have to agree with you insano, Pahcter saying it won't happen doesn't mean squat to me. He is wrong so often that I don't believe his predictions for a second.
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Post by: SixthAngel on November 21, 2011, 10:49:19 PM
Pachter seems to think that the Wii/Nintendo will disappear if he ignores it hard enough (outside of screaming WiiHD).

I don't think MS has the luxury of giving the sequel to best best sellling system a 2 year headstart, especially since they seem to want that causal audience with Kinect.
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Post by: Adrock on November 21, 2011, 11:39:54 PM
To do spreadsheets and whatever else people do with computers. Hasn't Microsoft's strategy all along been to use the whole xbox thing as a Trojan horse to continue (or even expand) their Windows monopoly?
I remember reading that Microsoft entered the console market to stop Sony from taking over the living room. If Microsoft wanted to expand Windows to their home consoles assuming, for example, that anyone would want to make a spreadsheet on a videogame console, they probably would have kept using Intel processors instead of switching to PowerPC. I believe that's one of the main problems with Pachter's prediction. He believes Microsoft is going to modify the Xbox 360 to run Windows 8. Why would they do that? While I'm not expert on CPU architecture, it just seems like a lot of work for a revision of a 6 year old console. That would mean Microsoft would have to either alter Windows 8 code to support PowerPC or this new Xbox 360 model running Windows 8 would have either an x86 or ARm processor and would need to emulate the entire Xbox 360 library (pretty much the reverse of how 360 emulated original Xbox games for backwards compatibility). I find neither to be terribly likely.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 21, 2011, 11:51:18 PM
Windows 8 may have been designed to be architecture-agnostic. Apple did that with OS X, and you know how Microsoft loves to copy Apple. ;)
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 22, 2011, 12:22:46 AM
And how Apple loves to copy Android. LOL
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Post by: Ceric on November 22, 2011, 12:53:54 AM
Windows 8 may have been designed to be architecture-agnostic. Apple did that with OS X, and you know how Microsoft loves to copy Apple. ;)
*cough*Bullshit*cough*

Seriously enough Window has support everything from x86 to PowerPC to Itanium before.  Microsoft has already stated that Arm processors was a targeted processor and I'm fairly sure XBox runs a flavor of Windows already.  Making it Windows 8 just really means they use the same APIs.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2011, 06:14:30 PM
2 SKU Future!? Set-top Kinect Box & the Elite Gamer Edition?
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-xbox-in-2012-analysis?page=1 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-xbox-in-2012-analysis?page=1)
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In terms of how we see the next-gen Xbox panning out based on what our own sources tell us, we understand that Kinect is set for a significant upgrade and has a very strong likelihood of ending up bundled with the machine. It is understood that Microsoft hosted a developer soiree at Disneyland just after E3 this year where the platform holder invited partners to pitch in with ideas on where they would want the technology to go, and the challenges they had with the current platform. This signifies that it was early days for the design just a few months ago, making the 2012 story seem even less likely.

It's also believed that Microsoft will continue its successful two SKU strategy, and indeed take it much further with its new platform: a pared down machine is to be released as cheaply as possible, and positioned more along the lines of a set-top box (the use of 360 as a Netflix viewing platform in the US is colossal) and perhaps as a Kinect-themed gaming portal, while a more fully-featured machine with optical drive, hard disk and backward compatibility aimed at the hardcore would be released at a higher price-point.


This does sort of tie into previous rumors about the set top Xbox that was sort of a MS version of AppleTV.
Next year should be very interesting.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2011, 06:30:52 PM
I know this is really really late, but...

The next Xbox will not be called "Xbox 720". Not only does it not make any sense, but 720 would confuse consumers because 720 is an HD resolution and not even the best HD resolution either, so consumers who own TVs capable of 1080 output or whatever might think the XBOX 720 would not output to the fullest potential. So no, that's not going to happen.
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/717093/xbox-720-ad-spotted-in-real-steel-trailer/ (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/717093/xbox-720-ad-spotted-in-real-steel-trailer/)

(http://i.imgur.com/Mbwhl.jpg)

Not that I think they are gonna call it Xbox720 or anything, but... umm I'm sure MS is the one who paid for that advertising.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 23, 2011, 06:46:59 PM
I hate how this multiple SKU thing actually worked out this gen.  The hard drive should be MANDATORY or devs will be afraid to use it.  That shouldn't be an optional accessory.

Though an optical drive as an extra for the higher end SKU?  So what, does the **** one only play downloadable titles?  Did MS not observe how much of a disaster the PSP Go was?  The only way you can not have a way to play physical media is if EVERY game is available for download purchase.  The download option is MORE hardcore and tech savy.  The very market for a download-only dedicated videogame system is not going to get a system that can't play all the games.  Or is the Xbox 720 download-only and the optical disc is merely for backwards compatibility?  That's a little more logical but I think it is way too soon to not offer physical media at all.  We need a gen of all retail titles being available online first.  And how do you do that without a hard drive?

When did that ad show up?  NHL game?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2011, 07:19:38 PM
That ad was in the movie Real Steel (aka Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots 2011) starring Hugh Jackman.


But remember the rumors about MS using ARM chips in the neXbox and something about set top box and all that stuff? I'm sure I posted it in here somewhere. It could be that the multiple SKU's are actually 2 different systems aimed at 2 different audiences.

But if that did happen to be true, then maybe Pachter isn't so wrong after all and just got his info confused. Maybe this is an Xbox branded spin off unit aimed at taking out AppleTV before it can get a second wind and is planned on being released end of next year.
While the real console is gearing up for a 2013 release like all the devs have been talking about wanting.

Otherwise I think we have 2 conflicting rumors about what's in the next box and what they are aimed at being. Now I have to go back and look for the ARM rumor and see how it compares to the recent 6coreCPU dualGPU rumor that popped up a few days ago.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 24, 2011, 10:56:16 AM
I hate how this multiple SKU thing actually worked out this gen.  The hard drive should be MANDATORY or devs will be afraid to use it.  That shouldn't be an optional accessory.

Actually, I think this is what Nintendo should do with the Wii U. They should have a no HDD version with some cheap casual tech demo bundled in it for $249.99 and a premium hardcore Wii U version which includes Mario and a 250GB HDD for $50-$100 more.

I don't think the one console fits all strategy is something you would be happy about if Nintendo pursues that, because one size fits all means it is going to cater to the lowest common denominator, and that's something you've been complaining about a lot these last few years with the Wii. We all know Nintendo isn't going to abandon the casual market, so them supporting that is a given, but isn't it better if the casual market is segregated and they have their own thing for cheap, whereas the hardcore gamers can spend more and have the premium edition? This way both markets are satisfied. The people who want a cheap watered down casual experience have their thing, and those who want something better can have theirs too. Its a win-win. And Microsoft has proven this strategy works, so Nintendo should follow that example. Its either that, or we end up with a "one size fits all" console that caters only to casuals, or something that falls somewhere in between and is fatally compromised trying to satisfy both markets but failing to do so because of the compromises being made.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 24, 2011, 12:19:55 PM
That ad was in the movie Real Steel (aka Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots 2011) starring Hugh Jackman.

Well that doesn't mean anything then.  The film takes place in the future so the ad might be a joke.  By the time the film takes place the Xbox 360 will have been replaced so they went with the obvious 720 name.  If they used a different name the audience wouldn't get the reference.

Chozo, I get what you're saying about not wanting a one-size-fits-all model because it will play to the lowest common denominator.  My concern is that devs play to the lowest common denominator anyway so they'll treat the lower model as the "standard".  If there is no hard drive then devs will be reluctant to make proper use of it because the lower model owners don't have it.  Hell the Wii basically had this.  The Wii remote was standard and the CC was an optional purchase.  Devs largely ignored the CC because it wasn't standard.  I want the important stuff to all be included and that usually just results in one SKU.  The whole reason to go with a console is that there is one standard and everything works for it.

I don't want ANY system that caters to casuals.  Casuals don't need a system specifically dumbed down for them.  They can play their dumbed down non-games on credible videogame hardware.  Don't make a $900 system or anything stupid like that.  The typical core gamer won't buy that either.  But make a normal videogame system at a normal videogame system price and then make some casual games to attract the rubes to their normal system.  Kinect is a big hit with casuals and that requires the purchase of both Kinect and a system.  Casuals didn't care because they wanted to dance.  If you give them a game they want they'll buy the damn thing.  Fuckin' Apple products are insanely overpriced and yet everyone has their overpriced iPad and Angry Birds.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 24, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
The reason I don't see it being a problem is because even the basic low end casual SKU would still come with a few GB worth of onboard flash, and possibly even a memory card, and of course the option would be on the table for consumers to buy SD cards and external HDDs later on to expand the storage capacity if desired.

The low end Xbox 360 comes with 4gb of onboard flash storage, which isn't much, but it should be enough to handle everything any single game could throw at it. Flash memory doubles every year, and even now 16GB flash is cheap enough that Microsoft could include that in their lowend SKU without any significant difference in cost. By the time the Wii U rolls out I would expect it to have 16gb of onboard flash, or even 32gb or higher. Its certainly cheap enough now, and a year from now it will only be even moreso.

But my point is even the low end model would still offer enough storage for just about anything developers might want to put on it. The real issue is in the fact that this is only enough for one or maybe two games and probably nothing else. The advantage of an HDD is in the fact you can have at least a dozen games and all their associated DLCs or whatever installed simultaneously. With the low end model you can still play any game you want, but you can probably only have one or two games at a time and if you want more than that something has to get uninstalled, or you need to get an SD card or something.

So what makes the high end SKU different than the low end one is just you get all this extra storage immediately without a separate purchase, plus a hardcore game which you could buy separately for your low end SKU, but this way you get it right away and for a better deal. That's how it is with the two Xbox 360s. The 4gb model is targeted at casuals, yet it is perfectly capable of doing everything the high end model can. You can play Halo on a 4gb if you really want to, but odds are if you are the sort of hardcore gamer who likes Halo you would probably rather have the premium console.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 24, 2011, 01:30:33 PM
That ad was in the movie Real Steel (aka Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots 2011) starring Hugh Jackman.

Well that doesn't mean anything then.  The film takes place in the future so the ad might be a joke.  By the time the film takes place the Xbox 360 will have been replaced so they went with the obvious 720 name.  If they used a different name the audience wouldn't get the reference.

The point was that Chozo was saying that we shouldn't call it Xbox720, but in reality, even MS was referring to it by that name and went as far as placing a futuristic ad using the name in a movie.

None of us ever really expected that it would be called that when the final product was revealed and shipped. It's just a common nickname for the 3rd Gen Xbox.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 24, 2011, 01:53:17 PM
Chozo, I get what you're saying about not wanting a one-size-fits-all model because it will play to the lowest common denominator.  My concern is that devs play to the lowest common denominator anyway so they'll treat the lower model as the "standard".  If there is no hard drive then devs will be reluctant to make proper use of it because the lower model owners don't have it.

It's as if the Xbox360 didn't exist and wasn't very successful at the same time.
You forget the original Xbox360 "tard" came with something like a 256MB memory card or something really small like that, yet many devs still supported the HDD since they were responsible for making it necessary to really enjoy the 360 and all it had to offer.


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I don't want ANY system that caters to casuals.  Casuals don't need a system specifically dumbed down for them.  They can play their dumbed down non-games on credible videogame hardware.  Don't make a $900 system or anything stupid like that.  The typical core gamer won't buy that either.  But make a normal videogame system at a normal videogame system price and then make some casual games to attract the rubes to their normal system.  Kinect is a big hit with casuals and that requires the purchase of both Kinect and a system.  Casuals didn't care because they wanted to dance.  If you give them a game they want they'll buy the damn thing.  Fuckin' Apple products are insanely overpriced and yet everyone has their overpriced iPad and Angry Birds.

Now you're just being selfish. Hitting a mass market price is very important for mass adoption, just as important as hitting the pulse of your target audience. iPad is sold a general purpose computer in your palm which is why it affords a much higher price point as a premium product for just about everything. Game Consoles were seen as toys until recently where they are now seen a entertainment boxes focused mainly on games (lots of people bought PS3 for the Bluray and lots of people keep their Wiis for the Netflix. Next gen MS is hoping that one of Xbox's major attractions is the Settop box features with include cable TV, Netflix, Hulu, Social Media, etc etc). To make sure that everyone is willing to jump in and atleast give it a shot before breaking the bank, it might be good to have a basic bundle and a premium bundle.

For Wii U
Basic: Wii U with 8GB onboard storage, 1 uTab, 1 wiimote + nunchuck & 1 packed in game (NSMBMii?) - $299
Premium: Wii U w/ 8GB onboard, 250GB HDD, 1 uTab, 1wimote + nunchuck & 1 packed in game (NSMBMii)- $349

MS could easily follow the same same setup they engineered this gen and allow people to jump in at the price they feel willing to pay and then upgrade their model as they see fit down the line. That is not gonna stop devs from supporting higher storage needs if they aren't told to restrict each game to work within the 8GB's provided just like it didn't stop devs this gen from supporting Xbox HDD even though some bundles didn't include one.


Although I agree with Chozo on the expanded onboard mem of Wii U. DQX is expected to be a flagship Wii U launch game and that requires 16GB of the Wii, so I would hope that Nintendo would bump that 8GB up to 16GB unless they plan on packing in a USB memstick with every copy of the Wii U version of the game.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 24, 2011, 03:01:24 PM
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Now you're just being selfish. Hitting a mass market price is very important for mass adoption, just as important as hitting the pulse of your target audience.

I don't disagree with that but the system can't be handicapped by it.  The Wii was handicapped.  It made too many concessions in favour of casuals that it became a casual system.  They essentially re-released the Gamecube in order to reach the low price point (with tons of mark up; but that's a different issue).  You need a balancing act between having something affordable and not having something too compromised.  The Wii is a very extreme example of this and I don't think MS or Nintendo will do that next gen.
 
As I said, you don't have a $900 system but you also don't have a system that is too compromised for casuals to meet core gamers' needs.  In that sense I don't want any sort of casual focusing system.  It should just be a "normal" videogame system, suitable for all audiences, and casuals can play their games on it.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on November 24, 2011, 04:20:44 PM
I don't disagree with that but the system can't be handicapped by it.  The Wii was handicapped.  It made too many concessions in favour of casuals that it became a casual system. They essentially re-released the Gamecube in order to reach the low price point (with tons of mark up; but that's a different issue).  You need a balancing act between having something affordable and not having something too compromised.  The Wii is a very extreme example of this and I don't think MS or Nintendo will do that next gen.

Only this wasn't the reason.  The sole reason for the Wii being underpowered was because after the Gamecubes poor sales, Nintendo didn't want to take a huge risk by releasing a more powerful system that might do worse.  Iwata himself said the main goal for the Wii before release was to sell more than the Gamecube.

Had Nintendo known the Wii would have been as popular as it did I can guarantee they would have made the system much more powerful so it could have gotten 360/PS3 ports.  But back in 2005 when they were designing the system and Nintendo's home console presence was nearly non existent because the Gamecube was doing less then 100k worldwide every month, it's not hard to see why they took a much cheaper route.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 24, 2011, 04:46:06 PM
There are a few things Nintendo could have done to make the Wii more port friendly, that I agree with, but I want to stay on the topic here.

If MS or Nintendo or Sony have a baseline target for the console, I don't see the issue with also offering a bundled package that adds more to that.

Having optional expanded storage coming in the box is not going to change the overall gaming  experience as long as the system comes with enough to allow the games to do what they need to do.

The only reason 3rd parties didn't support larger storage solutions for the Wii was because Nintendo didn't provide any. And by the time Nintendo did provide a work around, it was still terribly inefficient, insufficient, more trouble than it should have been and really late in the game.

Going forward, we know the Wii U will have atleast 8GB of storage built in. We know (based on 3DS) that SD card expansion will work just like a HDD, and we know that Nintendo plans to support external HDD's. So we already know that 3rd parties (and hopefully Nintendo themselves) will be supporting the expanded storage route (DQX requires 16GB to play) from the start so I don't think games being "gimped" due to not enough storage space will be problem.

So whether or not ConsoleX wants to provide 2 different versions for their customers to have a choice at how deep in the rabbit hole they wish to go right from the start, the general experience shouldn't be changed just because I got the basic and you got the premium. Especially when I can decide that I didn't really need the premium upgrade until something I wanted to do couldn't be done without it.

It's like a regular cable box and one with DVR.
-most people just want to watch TV and use On Demand every once in a while.
-other people like to be able to pause that show, switch between 2 different shows at the same time and be able to rewind either one and then be able to record and watch other shows later.
You can only do the later with the DVR's HDD.
so most people have basic cable box and other have premium cable box. They decide what's necessary for their enjoyment.

Those extras cost extra and maybe it's not necessary for the majority to enjoy their TV watching experience, so why should they pay extra for features they neither want nor will they use if they don't feel ready for it?

Choices. There is nothing wrong with having them.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 24, 2011, 04:52:45 PM
I don't disagree with that but the system can't be handicapped by it.  The Wii was handicapped.  It made too many concessions in favour of casuals that it became a casual system. They essentially re-released the Gamecube in order to reach the low price point (with tons of mark up; but that's a different issue).  You need a balancing act between having something affordable and not having something too compromised.  The Wii is a very extreme example of this and I don't think MS or Nintendo will do that next gen.

Only this wasn't the reason.  The sole reason for the Wii being underpowered was because after the Gamecubes poor sales, Nintendo didn't want to take a huge risk by releasing a more powerful system that might do worse.  Iwata himself said the main goal for the Wii before release was to sell more than the Gamecube.

Had Nintendo known the Wii would have been as popular as it did I can guarantee they would have made the system much more powerful so it could have gotten 360/PS3 ports.  But back in 2005 when they were designing the system and Nintendo's home console presence was nearly non existent because the Gamecube was doing less then 100k worldwide every month, it's not hard to see why they took a much cheaper route.

That's the SOLE reason?  Seriously?  The sole, and thus, one and only reason Nintendo did that?

Nintendo must have had no idea what a "risk" is.  Launching a console with virtually nothing to distinguish it other than a new controller is not a safe move at all.  If Wii Sports bombed, and thus motion control bombed, the Wii was TOAST.  Who the hell would buy a glorifed refurbed Gamecube otherwise?  Going for a hardware jump was conventional and conventional is the safe move.  The Wii was incredibly risky - new controller, new audience, and an approach to the hardware specs that had NEVER been done before.

The wanted the price low, they still wanted a big markup on the hardware, they were focusing on attracting non-gamers and they really don't think highly of the intelligence of that audience (a normal controller is just TOO DAMN CONFUSING OMG!!)  Let's release a minor update of the Gamecube at a low price with a high markup, give it a gimmick and focus on rubes that are impressed by gimmicks and they'll be too ignorant to realize we're selling them a last gen system.

Besides, back when the Wii was first becoming popular I expressed my dislike in Nintendo intentionally borking the hardware and the Wii defenders all told me that it was essential for the price to be as low as it was or would not have attracted the mainstream audience.  Any suggestion I made that Nintendo should have gone for better specs with a lower profit margin and/or a higher price was immediately squashed.  But now that's something they totally could have done or even WOULD have done?

Anyway, the point is that developers treat the barebones model as the "standard" and any extra accessory can more or less be considered unsupported.  So the standard needs to be capable (which the Wii was not) so I don't like the idea of having a lesser version aimed at casuals and a more advanced version aimed at core gamers.  In that case the casual SKU will be the standard and devs will have that one in mind when making a game because they want the entire userbase to be able to play it.

And videogame systems should be generic in design anyway.  They're merely a tool to play videogames with and therefore should be as accomodating to all types of videogames as possible.  Even if you don't think the Wii was specifically aimed at casuals it's motion control focused design was not accomodating.  The Wii is highly specialized.  Don't think audience, don't think gimmicks, don't think videogame genres or trends.  A good console is a blank canvas for developers to create game content on.  The second you say "well this SKU is for this audience" you've already compromised things.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 24, 2011, 05:10:15 PM
The Wii wasn't a very big leap, but the leaked specs show it to be at least 50% more powerful than a Gamecube, and that's something. The PS4/720 will probably only be 50% more powerful than their predecessors also. So the Wii really isn't that bad, but it just looks bad because this generation has been very unusual in that Sony and Microsoft made a huge leap forward instead of the usual step forward we've seen in every other generation. They made the Wii look obsolete, but doing so came at the cost of pricing their consoles at $600 and/or selling them at a loss. I don't think we will see that happen this time around.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 24, 2011, 06:12:57 PM
Anyway, the point is that developers treat the barebones model as the "standard" and any extra accessory can more or less be considered unsupported.  So the standard needs to be capable (which the Wii was not) so I don't like the idea of having a lesser version aimed at casuals and a more advanced version aimed at core gamers.  In that case the casual SKU will be the standard and devs will have that one in mind when making a game because they want the entire userbase to be able to play it.

Once again, it's as if the 360 never existed and wasn't successful in attracting a much larger audience comprised of casuals and going it with option upgrades with tons of support from 1st and 3rd parties utilizing them.
I'm not gonna go search sales numbers on original tard packs vs Pro/Elite versions, but I'mk sure they all sold equally well. I'm also not gonna search sales numbers on current 4GB systems vs the 250GB systems nor the ones sold w/ or w/o Kinect.
But 3rd parties will support the expanded memory and add on peripherals if it worth supporting.

M+ hasn't exactly gotten the love it deserved, but honestly, it should have been part of the original wiimote and Nintendo didn't really push it hard regardless of the added benefits it would add to any motion game. Going forward though, SS will set the new standard to be followed into the next gen and M+ is the new default secondary control for Wii U.

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And videogame systems should be generic in design anyway.  They're merely a tool to play videogames with and therefore should be as accomodating to all types of videogames as possible.  Even if you don't think the Wii was specifically aimed at casuals it's motion control focused design was not accomodating.  The Wii is highly specialized.  Don't think audience, don't think gimmicks, don't think videogame genres or trends.  A good console is a blank canvas for developers to create game content on.  The second you say "well this SKU is for this audience" you've already compromised things.

The console is the canvas, and to be honest, there is nothing that any competent developer couldn't see realized on current consoles if they set their minds to it. It might now be the most photorealistic interpretation of it, but it could be done. There is also not a single game that has been made for the PS360 w/ or w/o a HDD that couldn't have been done on the Wii. It just wouldn't have looked as pretty, but it would have more or less played the same.

So yes the console is a blank canvas, but the regular controller is a box of crayons, the wiimote is a full paint set.

All Nintendo set out for was a console that would appeal to everyone. And that means everyone. Not just the Dude Bros and Fanboys.

Nintendo purposely targeted a lower specced machine for dev cost, price and the focus on the wiimote. This was to help devs create content without ballooning cost, help people feel comfortable with impulse buying the Wii wither for themselves or friends/family and so that people would feel comfortable working a simple controller that was more naturally intuitive using motion and a few buttons instead of 8 buttons used in many combinations, 2 controls sticks a d-pad and whatever else was gonna be added to continue making the standard controller more complex and less inviting to those who are typically already intimidated by gaming.

Besides, you are acting like they are gimping the actual machine when making SKUs
It's not like they say "Hey this is the casual box & this is the Core box"
Casual Box:
Dual ARM 1Ghz 1 GB Ram, only plays DVD based Xbox games and downloadable titles 4GB storage

Core Box:
6Core IBM CPU, Dual AMD GPU plays custom 25GB disc and movies 2TB storage

They are still making the same exact console, just one package has a few extra option items that may be very useful depending on what games you are playing and how you use your console.


sorry this is longer than expected. Post was made between several trips to the kitchen, so thoughts may also be a little scattered.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 25, 2011, 03:19:09 AM
Nintendo must have had no idea what a "risk" is.  Launching a console with virtually nothing to distinguish it other than a new controller is not a safe move at all.  If Wii Sports bombed, and thus motion control bombed, the Wii was TOAST.  Who the hell would buy a glorifed refurbed Gamecube otherwise?  Going for a hardware jump was conventional and conventional is the safe move.  The Wii was incredibly risky - new controller, new audience, and an approach to the hardware specs that had NEVER been done before.

What part of the Gamecube being dead in 2005 when they were making the Wii don't you understand.  The Gamecube was a conventional console that was more powerful then one of its rivals and right behind the other plus got a good number of ports but that didn't do sh!t for the system in the end.  Releasing a more powerful console like the Gamecube to compete was the much riskier choice since there was no guarantee the system would do any better then the Gamecube did since being powerful didn't help the Gamecubes sales one bit.

The Wii on the other hand could afford to be a failure because it was just modified Gamecube hardware that made it much much cheaper to produce since they didn't need to spend billions to create new hardware from scratch, which a system close to the 360/PS3 in power would have cost.  Plus it allowed Nintendo studios to continue using there current Gamecube engines which saved them hundreds of millions since a more powerful machine would have required brand new engines for all studios to be made.

The Wii was the safer choice because it gave a much bigger safety net for the company vs a Gamecube 2 which easily could have wiped out half of what Nintendo was worth back in 2005 if it failed.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on November 25, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
The Wii was the safer choice because it gave a much bigger safety net for the company vs a Gamecube 2 which easily could have wiped out half of what Nintendo was worth back in 2005 if it failed.

I agree with Ian.  The Wii was a riskier move by far.
You act like they would have been fine if the Wii bombed but they wouldn't have.  The generational leap had been going on for so long that a lot of people thought it would sell almost nothing at all.  Ian is right that if Motion didn't take off it would have made the NeoGeo look like a big seller.  It wouldn't matter how cheap it was to produce when it had the potential to bomb like that.  Not to mention that their games would sell little to nothing then as well causing them to bleed more money.
An extremely low selling generation would have also destroyed their reputation when they tried to make the next console.
The other consoles used a tried and true business strategy while Nintendo did something completely new, of course it was risky.


When you all talk about cheaper units I notice you are only talking about the hard drive.  I think that HD's are cheap enough no that there is no reason to gimp something.  The gimped version will still probably have double digit HD space making it perfectly fine for anything but full game installs.
When they talk about a set-top 360 they are talking about all the hardware being gimped.  Expect new xbox arcade games and media abilities and that's it.  It sounds pretty worthless to me.  The only way it would get any real support is if arcade developers decide to limit their games to this systems hardware so it fits on both.

An optical drive as an extra for the higher end SKU?  So what, does the **** one only play downloadable titles?  Did MS not observe how much of a disaster the PSP Go was?  The only way you can not have a way to play physical media is if EVERY game is available for download purchase.  The download option is MORE hardcore and tech savvy.
Ian is making some good points today.  Making your casual system download only is stupid.  Buying the physical copy at the store is the casual way.  The less technologically inclined have trouble setting up their consoles and connecting them to the internet.  I can think of so many people who never would have bought a Wii if Wii Sports or Wii Fit was download only.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 25, 2011, 09:14:46 AM
The Wii was a spectacular success for Nintendo. Hardcore gamers like Ian hate it, but no one can deny it has printed huge amounts of money for the company. After the disaster that was the Gamecube this was just the thing Nintendo needed. Another Gamecube level failure or two and the company would have been forced to go 3rd party like Sega. Whether you like the Wii or not, it did save Nintendo from that fate. Now no one is talking about Nintendo ending up like Sega anymore, but I remember back in the Gamecube era you heard that kind of talk often.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 25, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
I play games with my son for a day and looks what comes of it.

Now to poll my opinion on the topic at hand.

Releasing 2 XBox Skus that aren't the same at the same time would be terrible.
Its one thing to not include a harddrive.  Its another to be a totally different system.  It ruins your name recognition in  a way.

Do I think that Microsoft will be making a set top Media box.  Sure but, I think if anything it will contain the Zune branding or something new.  The game portion of it will be XBox Live just like on Phone 7.

Example would br the system being called Zune Media Extender to be boring or ZuneTV to mimic Apple.

When you have such radically different systems you are in effect making another Console to compete against your console and fracture you base.  Be like if a political party running 2 candidates for President.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on November 25, 2011, 06:58:43 PM
what if they decided to release a tablet for 360 instead of making a whole new console....theres your ARM processor right there
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Post by: nickmitch on November 25, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
Microsoft has been trying to cross promote their brands a lot lately. It started with the name "Windows Phone 7" then moved on with Xbox Live on the phones. All the Zune stuff has really just been meager attempts at keeping that brand alive. I think the company is just trying to throw all of its **** at the wall and see what sticks to establish a better company image for when they finally take over your house.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on November 25, 2011, 09:35:22 PM
yeah, Zune is considered a ghetto iProduct by most, but Xbox has good branding. According to the execs as MS, they say theres no need to release a new system, but then really if they just release add-ons like Sony is then its not a bad idea. We all know that we're facing the uncanny valley gap and even if Wii U is significantly more powerful than ps3 and 360 we wont see a gigantic difference. If a lower looking game on Wii U looks as good as mass effect 2....then **** is awesome. The power increase will have gameplay possibilities, but not as much graphical possibilities.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 26, 2011, 08:46:54 AM
yeah, Zune is considered a ghetto iProduct by most, but Xbox has good branding.

Only because Apple hasn't went and released the iBox (yet).
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Post by: Lithium on November 26, 2011, 04:31:25 PM
too bad the zune failed. I have a ZuneHD and actually think the interface is much better. I have an iphone now but i still end up using the zune
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Post by: Ceric on November 26, 2011, 05:12:25 PM
too bad the zune failed. I have a ZuneHD and actually think the interface is much better. I have an iphone now but i still end up using the zune
Should try a Windows Phone sometime.

Apple isn't going to get into the Console arena.  Ever. 

Let me rephrase.  If they do.  They've jumped the Shark.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 26, 2011, 06:24:11 PM
I could see them bringing apps to Apple TV, but there's not gonna anything substantial at least until they figure out how to make an iTV.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 27, 2011, 12:16:36 AM
too bad the zune failed.

I disagree. Microsoft holding a monopoly in the OS and web browser arena is bad enough, and it would be even worse if they managed to become a monopoly in other areas. Viva competition!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2011, 12:23:58 AM
Except Microsoft hasn't had a monopoly in either of those markets in a while, especially web browsers. And wanting competition is exactly why you should want the Zune to be successful. I may be an Apple fanboy, but I still want somebody out there keeping Apple on their toes, forcing them to continue to improve.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 27, 2011, 12:27:58 AM
Except Microsoft hasn't had a monopoly in either of those markets in a while, especially web browsers. And wanting competition is exactly why you should want the Zune to be successful. I may be an Apple fanboy, but I still want somebody out there keeping Apple on their toes, forcing them to continue to improve.

But isn't there, though? There are MP3 players made by Creative and a bunch of other companies. I don't mind Zune existing and selling well. The problem is when it sells TOO well and then Microsoft locks everything into their proprietary blue screen of death bullshit.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on November 27, 2011, 11:29:18 PM
I think Microsoft has evolved over the years to not be as annoying of a company. They've been shrinking as well, and as things are changing they are going to have to change into a totally different company to survive. Apple had to do it, Microsoft will have to do it. Its interesting watching the survival of the fittest among software/hardware companies, they have to dig out their own niche. The problem is conglomeration makes being niche dwellers hard.

Ideally
Apple will focus on Portable computing
Microsoft will surpass apple and various linux peoples for good pc operating systems and set top boxes
Nintendo will control the living room and bedroom, and now with Wii U bathroom entertainment
Sony will control movies(not spiderman) and music and get the **** out of the console industry
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2011, 12:04:12 AM
I don't think Windows need to "surpass" anybody for PC operating systems. They hold the majority. I do think that they'll need to step it up in other devices like set top boxes though. You didn't mention Google's Android, but I think that's been coming up over linux as a base OS for stuff.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 28, 2011, 12:40:49 AM
But Android itself is based off the Linux kernel. So if Android dominates then in a way Linux dominates too, because Linux is the core of it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on November 28, 2011, 12:42:17 AM
Microsoft is going to get pushed into a niche market and become nearly irrelevent on the OS front thanks to Android.
Android is the fastest growing OS on mobile phones currently and satisfies that demand well.  It already has all the basic products users want (even has a version of photshop), just not the high-end stuff.  As smart phones inevitably kill the PC (why would you have a pc at home when you can plug a phone into a monitor that can do all the same things?) Windows will get pushed out as well.  Android will move upmarket pushing MS into smaller and smaller markets.  The low end user is already ripe for the taking because they see no reason to move from XP to a new Windows OS.  MS is trying to fight back with Windows mobile but has flubbed it up bad in the past so the new version which is okay seems like its too late.  Before you say anything I'm not talking about Apple because their current hardware business model prevents them from such a takeover.

It is basically the whole "disruptive innovation" stuff that people were talking about with the Wii and DS.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 28, 2011, 12:46:49 AM
Yeah, I don't see smart phone ever replacing computers. At most they would compliment them, but the market for people to switch over only to smart phones is pretty slim and niche. It's like how 2 years ago you had people claiming netbooks would take over, and now those are pretty much dying. Smartphones can not and will not ever be able to duplicate the experience of a PC/desktop.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2011, 12:51:46 AM
Netbooks got replaced by tablets. The thing about netbooks was that they were great if all you needed to do was surf the web and maybe type up some quick docs. They sucked for real work (which I learned first hand). Tablets are better because they don't try to trick you in to thinking they're real computers.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on November 28, 2011, 12:59:07 AM
Yeah, I don't see smart phone ever replacing computers. At most they would compliment them, but the market for people to switch over only to smart phones is pretty slim and niche. It's like how 2 years ago you had people claiming netbooks would take over, and now those are pretty much dying. Smartphones can not and will not ever be able to duplicate the experience of a PC/desktop.

Why?
My phone is nearly powerful enough to replace my PC now.  It could already replace my parents' laptop without affecting what they do.  All it needs is to plug into a monitor/keyboard and give the os two modes of interaction, one standard pc style one mobile style.

Netbooks were a poor replacement for laptops.  I'll give you what wiki says in the first paragraph. "nothing more than smaller, cheaper notebooks," noting, "the specs are so similar that the average shopper would likely be confused as to why one is better than the other," and "the only conclusion is that there really is no distinction between the devices."
Besides, any market netbooks had was immediately taken by iphone, android and similiar devices.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 28, 2011, 01:53:25 AM
yeah, ideally in the future pcs will be these tiny things you plug keyboard/mice/ and monitors into, but Im not a fan of mobile computing really. Never liked laptops much either, always liked having a beefy interface. There is so much stuff you can do on a pc, that you can't do on a mobile device or even a few things on the mac for that matter. That could change in the future. In fact aside from being a closed architecture Wii U will have some nice balance. I use my PC alot for internet and stuff, and that should largely be replaced by other devices in the future, but I would hate to be forced to do work on a mobile device. I would never feel comfortable posting on forums or working on webpages on mobile devices.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on November 28, 2011, 10:49:55 AM
Its obvious Microsoft believes mobile devices is where OSes will be migrating to in the next few generations.  Windows 8 is being designed to start bringing your PC and Mobile OS together.  I can easily see by the time we get to Windows 9 that mobile devices will be poised to be able to do what are machines can today.

Technology Marches on.
Title: Kinect 2 Can Read Lips
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 28, 2011, 12:56:56 PM
Kinect 2 so accurate it can lip read
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-25-kinect-2-so-accurate-it-can-lip-read (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-25-kinect-2-so-accurate-it-can-lip-read)
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Microsoft plans to release a next-generation Kinect device so accurate it can lip read, sources have told Eurogamer.

Kinect 2 will come bundled with future Xbox consoles, we understand.

The intention is that Kinect 2 will offer improved motion sensing and voice recognition.

One development source told Eurogamer that Kinect 2 will be so powerful it will enable games to lip read, detect when players are angry, and determine in which direction they are facing.
Kinect 2 can track the pitch and volume of player voices and facial characteristics to measure different emotional states.


The current Kinect is hamstrung by having to pass data to the Xbox 360 through ageing USB technology - an issue discussed by Eurogamer last year.

When Kinect launched in November 2010 the depth sensor was set at a 30 frames per second limit and a 320x240 resolution limit. The issue relates to the USB controller interface, which is capable of around 35MB/s, but it only uses around 15/16MB/s. This artificial limit is in place because multiple USB devices can be used at once on an Xbox 360.

Kinect 2, however, can feed the next Xbox more information, and thus a higher resolution CCD [charge-coupled device].

"It can be cabled straight through on any number of technologies that just take phenomenally high res data straight to the main processor and straight to the main RAM and ask, what do you want to do with it?" our source said.

Lip reading...? I guess that means that accurate finger tracking is a lock.

Just imagine eyetracking for cursor movement. That could be interesting.

But the rest of the story goes on to summarize all the previous rumors we've heard in the last month or so.

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Microsoft reportedly plans to launch two very different versions of the next Xbox.

According to a Digital Foundry report on GamesIndustry.biz, the first is a "pared down machine" to be released as cheaply as possible. It is likened to a set-top box, and will act as a Kinect-themed gaming portal.

The second is a "more fully-featured machine" with optical drive, hard disk and backwards compatibility. This would be aimed at hardcore gamers and released at a higher price-point.

Next-generation talk has ramped up in recent weeks, with Edge reporting that the next Xbox will launch late next year.

Digital Foundry believes this is unlikely, however, suggesting a 2013 launch. The console is rumoured to be set for a reveal at E3 2012.

Edge also claimed advanced development kits were already at major publishers and their teams - a suggestion corroborated by Eurogamer sources. We have been unable to verify the rumour that AMD is providing the GPU, however.

A report by MSNerd called the next Xbox the Xbox Loop - or the Xbox TV, which may relate to the rumoured cheaper Kinect 2 SKU.

Eurogamer understands Loop was the codename of Microsoft's early motion-sensing technology that predated Nintendo's July 2008 Wii Motion Plus announcement. It was a device that wrapped around a player's arm, and was said to be more accurate than both the Wii and the PlayStation Move controller.

Microsoft told Eurogamer it "does not comment on rumour or speculation".




So if we are expecting a Bigger Badder Kinect 2 ontop of a Bigger Badder Xbox720, then I guess we can also expect a $499 price tag to go with it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on November 28, 2011, 01:42:46 PM
Eyetracking for cursor movement?  That would be totally messed up.  Your eyes actually dart all over the place.  We think they move very conventionally but I've seen experiments where they track eye movement and it is way too erratic to be useful for cursor control.

Kinect is just a dumb gimmick anyway though.  No real thought was ever put into it.  It's just "well we'll beat the Wii by having NO controller!"  So maybe it could have eyetracking that works like complete balls but that won't matter because Kinect works like complete balls anyway.  The target demo will just be thrilled by the "holy **** it goes where my eyes go" thrill factor.
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Post by: Ceric on November 28, 2011, 01:46:25 PM
Its sort of an interesting take on Kinect 2. Lip Reading would help Speech Recognition with some of the trickier words.

All exciting stuff.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 28, 2011, 01:51:42 PM
Its sort of an interesting take on Kinect 2. Lip Reading would help Speech Recognition with some of the trickier words.

All exciting stuff.

It would also let the game know which of the multiplayers was saying what by tracking who's lips said what.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 28, 2011, 03:08:55 PM
So does this mean Kinect 2 will mark the return of the Joystick (by "Joystick" I mean a certain part of the male anatomy) as an input method? ;)

I'm just joking... but imagine being able to play the God of War sex mini games this way....
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 28, 2011, 04:13:02 PM
So does this mean Kinect 2 will mark the return of the Joystick (by "Joystick" I mean a certain part of the male anatomy) as an input method? ;)

I'm just joking... but imagine being able to play the God of War sex mini games this way....

(http://www.abload.de/img/imsmanging2yqex.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/rWrbD.gif)
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Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2011, 04:38:55 PM
You know, I am so fucking sick and tired of seeing that dance move. Chicks seem to dig it because it's all sexual and ****, but that is not how you have sex. Either you're kicking the **** out of her or she's in some sort of yoga pose.

EDIT:
Some on topic, lip reading? Really? Is there even software that can seriously do that? Weren't there problems voice recognition? I could only imagine lips being worse.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 28, 2011, 04:44:28 PM
Or maybe because you have a really
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=36265.0
;)
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Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2011, 04:46:56 PM
I don't care how big it is, you're moving way to much. You're gonna miss and often.
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Post by: Ceric on November 28, 2011, 04:56:05 PM
Yeah, Research wise. There has been lip reading software used successfully on silent films to get what people were actually saying.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2011, 05:20:04 PM
Oh, well nevermind then.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 28, 2011, 05:28:21 PM
Any movements involving the hips would be considered sexual whether they would work in a sexual way or not. I remember watching some documentary about Elvis and apparently him gyrating his hips was a big deal back in the 50s.

As for Kinect or any similar motion thing, apparently neither Sony nor Microsoft nor Nintendo will allow sex games on their consoles, so a Kinect compatible sex game will never happen, sadly. The God of War sex was only allowed because it didn't show anything... except boobs which are apparently okay with an M rating, but not genitalia.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2011, 06:04:45 PM
I don't think anyone was reasonably expecting a sex game for Kinect. The dance games might get more interesting though.

God of War got a pass because I think Sony really wanted it to be edgier, and the team wanted to see if they could get away with it.

And we could talk about how silly it is that boobs are ok and maybe a few bums but no genitals are allowed, but the ESRB is a lot better than the MPAA. You wanna talk about crazy, inconsistent ratings, go that route.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 28, 2011, 06:15:02 PM
but the ESRB is a lot better than the MPAA. You wanna talk about crazy, inconsistent ratings, go that route.

Yep, people should go see This Film is Not Yet Rated for a look at how bad the MPAA is. I don't remember if that movie covers it, but bigger studios are able to get away with more stuff. There was also some controversy because a movie that was about homosexuality got a NC-17 rating when it had basically the same amount and type of content that other movies (with heterosexual characters) got a R rating for.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2011, 08:08:49 PM
Yeah, that film covers how bigger studios have an edge over indie ones. It's on Netflix Instant, if anyone is curious. I first heard about it on Box Office Poison, so shoutouts to Karl.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 16, 2011, 11:16:20 AM
MS replaces Xbox design boss & "supports" 2013 release date.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57343102-75/microsoft-replaces-veteran-xbox-design-boss/
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As Microsoft's Xbox group moves toward launching a successor to the Xbox 360, it will do so without the brand and design leadership of Don Coyner, who has guided that strategy since the console's inception more than a decade ago.

Two sources who work for Microsoft say Coyner is no longer leading the design and experience group for Xbox. One of those sources said Coyner was replaced by Emma Williams, who helped guide the just-launched redesign of the Xbox Live interface.

Microsoft declined to confirm or deny the organization changes. "We don't comment on personnel issues," a spokesman said.
[...]
Williams, Coyner's replacement, will be tasked with guiding the design and brand strategy as the group moves toward launching the next console. The game developer Web site Develop recently pegged the launch of the next console for 2013, something a source on the Xbox team confirmed. Microsoft declined to comment on the timing of the next Xbox.
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Post by: Ceric on December 16, 2011, 12:40:40 PM
That sounds about right.  2012 E3 Rough Reveal with probably the Kinect 2 stuff ready for showing but not the beefy insides and a close concept model of the console itself.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2011, 01:05:11 PM
I don't like the new design of the dashboard, and it seems I am in the majority on this (based on reactions i've seen online and in podcasts. And the woman who basically is responsible for it is now in charge of the whole Xbox division?

2013 is kinda late for the Xbox 3, but there was no way it was coming in 2012 if they hadn't even confirmed its existence yet.
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Post by: Morari on December 16, 2011, 01:23:50 PM
Isn't the new Xbox Dashboard just a Metro-ized interface? If you don't like it on the Xbox, you sure aren't going to like it on your PC next year. :(
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2011, 01:41:40 PM
I just got Windows 7 last December, so I sure as hell won't be updating to Windows 8 anytime soon.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on December 16, 2011, 04:08:50 PM
Isn't the new Xbox Dashboard just a Metro-ized interface? If you don't like it on the Xbox, you sure aren't going to like it on your PC next year. :(
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Its a Bastardized version of Metro.  I've been using Windows Phone 7 with the Metro Interface for a year now and it is great.  I don't have a 360 but I've watched videos of the new interface.  Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking.

If Windows 8 is like the 360 Bastardization of the interface yeah its going to be bad.  If its like the Phone 7 interface its going to be the Hotness.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 16, 2011, 06:39:57 PM
I think MS is gonna have a really big edge here, if the Kinect being under used thing turns out to be true since they won't have to put out a new one.
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Post by: Morari on December 16, 2011, 08:40:16 PM
If Windows 8 is like the 360 Bastardization of the interface yeah its going to be bad.  If its like the Phone 7 interface its going to be the Hotness.

I wouldn't know what to compare it with, honestly. I've been running the Developer's Preview of Windows 8 in a virtual machine for a few months now. The new Metro interface is not viable for a desktop environment at all. It is very clearly designed for tablets and smart phones, where I'm sure it excels. You can revert back to the more manageable Aero interface, but there is thus far no way to default to it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
Rumor has it that while Assassins Creed III will be aimed at Wii U, Splinter Cell 6 will be aimed at the nextgen Xbox.

Rumor also has it that the new name being circulated is XboxFusion

www.XboxFusion.com (http://www.XboxFusion.com) (it redirects you back to xbox.com)
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Post by: Ceric on January 03, 2012, 02:01:16 PM
Rumor has it that while Assassins Creed III will be aimed at Wii U, Splinter Cell 6 will be aimed at the nextgen Xbox.

Rumor also has it that the new name being circulated is XboxFusion

www.XboxFusion.com (http://www.XboxFusion.com) (it redirects you back to xbox.com)
That sounds more like an integrations strategy.  XBox Fusion Everything from Your Xbox.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 03, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
A Fusion of what?

I'm going to guess its going to be Kinect integrated directly into the console itself, as opposed to being a peripheral. That, plus the obligatory beefing up of the specs.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2012, 09:59:40 PM
You can't integrate Kinect into the console itself.
unless you think you can mount the entire console ontop of the TV or directly infront of it and have a motor that is still gonna move it around so that it can capture the people in its view.
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Post by: Ymeegod on January 03, 2012, 10:27:21 PM
Assassins Creed III is Brotherhood, Revelations was the Forth (main) game. 

Ubisoft did state they were working an Assassin Creed project at E3 for the 3DS and WII U.  The 3ds version was put on "hold", not sure if they continued to work on the WII U project? 

If they were going to make an excluisve then I assume they would make an spinoff.  There was plenty of "subjects" prior to Desmond that took their turns in the Animus chair so it would be easy enough to do--some of the anime and books brush up on this.

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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 03, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
Brotherhood and Revelations are part of the same universe as II and were basically side projects, the sameways Vice City and San Andreas were part of the GTA III universe (hence why the next one was GTA IV), so the next one could very well be Assassin's Creed III.
Title: NeXtBox & PS4 @ E3 2012!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 06, 2012, 04:38:21 AM
MCV says: Next Xbox AND PS4 set for biggest ever E3
But who didn't expect them to crash NIntendo's party?
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/next-xbox-and-ps4-set-for-biggest-ever-e3/089421 (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/next-xbox-and-ps4-set-for-biggest-ever-e3/089421)
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Both the Xbox 360 successor AND a follow up to the PS3 will be shown at E3 2012.

The LA show tease will come as Wii U launch details are locked in – and should ensure no ground is lost between competing consoles.

It will mark the very first time in the show’s 17-year history that three fresh, rival console formats will be so directly comparable.

Microsoft has long been rumoured to detail its next-gen plans at E3 2012, and recently signalled to partners this will happen, MCV has been told.

The 360 is one of the longest-serving games consoles in history. But the real surprise is an  early move from Sony. Execs at the PlayStation firm have made it clear to third-parties that they will not be left behind this time.

Execs aren’t expecting price or launch details for the new Xbox or PlayStation. But their unveiling could be a perfect spoiler to the pre-Christmas launch date and price that will be revealed for Wii U in June.

I'm not so sure they will be "comparable" @ E3 2012 since I don't expect Sony nor MS to have playable demos nor near final hardware with locked in specs to actually show what their real machines will be capable of. All I'm expecting out of those two is some pre-rendered trailers meant to deflate Wii U HYPE before it can even get off the ground.
The one flaw in this plan though is that Nintendo shows their hand last and will have playable demos with real games and actual hardware that everyone will not only be able to play on the show floor, but have in their livingrooms sometime within the 6 months prior.

And since all 3 will be producing 1080p visuals, I'm really interested to see what they will show (especially Sony) to differentiate themselves and crash Nintendo's party since graphics likely won't be the spoiler this time around.


MCV's Editor says
(http://i.picpar.com/203446452c80aae03d2894b543c746822ce34702.png)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 06, 2012, 05:52:52 AM
It will be interesting to see how much of Nintendo's innovations presented as last year's E3 have been blatantly ripped off and repackaged by the competition this year.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 06, 2012, 08:33:08 PM
Some developer expects Xbox720 & maybe PS4 this Xmas...
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/game-developer-expecting-xbox-720-andor-ps4-for-christmas-2012/
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Xbox 720 or PS4 by the end of this year? It could happen, according to a developer source IndustryGamers spoke with. After MCV reported that this is going to be the first E3 where all three platform holders would show three new consoles, we chatted with a well connected source who told us that Christmas 2012 has been his expectation for some time now - and it stems from the chip makers.

"The 'trick' to these rumors is not the console manufacturers themselves, but rather the chip makers. All indications from them are that things change significantly (ie next generation) come November of this year. As such, it has been my presumption since the middle of this past year that we would see new boxes in the market for Christmas of 2012," our source commented.

I don't believe this, but let the flood gates open!! The rumor well has been kinda dry lately, so details of new systems should easily fill the void between now and E3 2012.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
Gamespot says: NeXtBox to be TABLET based....
let's all hop in the touch screen train!! choo choo
http://uk.gamespot.com/special_feature/2012-predictions/image-feature/index.html (http://uk.gamespot.com/special_feature/2012-predictions/image-feature/index.html)
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If the rumors are to be believed, the guts of the new Xbox, presumably some kind of insane multicore CPU and crazy powerful graphics chipset, will be teased nice and early as part of Microsoft's final showing at the Consumer Electronics Show this year. Expect it to be properly revealed, with a name and everything, at the Electronic Entertainment Expo in early June. If that timing is accurate, it seems likely that we'll see it in stores by the 2013 holiday season.

But what of the box itself? Given Microsoft's recent efforts at unification across its Windows, Mobile, and Xbox product lines, it seems clear that the 720 or whatever they end up calling it (surely not that) will be the ultimate personification of that strategy. There are strong signs suggesting that, like with Nintendo's Wii U, a tablet component figures heavily into the new design. That saucy Windows 8 Metro interface (now also seen on the Xbox Dashboard) just begs to be touched. Speculation as to the form it will take has been rife for the past few months, with some even suggesting that the core of the new platform will be akin to a tablet PC that wirelessly connects to a base station, which in turn plugs into your TV. If this is the case, a premium Xbox Next setup could feasibly include a base station, a tablet, a conventional controller of some kind, and the recently discussed high-def evolution of the Kinect. Thank goodness for wireless connections if that's the case; otherwise, we're in for one hell of a mess of cables.

If they don't integrate the tablet into the conventional controller like Nintendo did... then that is just too many things sitting in front of me to worry about. But I have my doubts about this being true anyway.


Could you just imagine the next Halo 4.5 with that setup?


Control your character with the conventional controller, dual analogs
Manage your inventory in realtime, touchscreen tablet
voice chat with friends, mic (headset or Kinect)
Melee your enemies for massive damage, Kinect


I could never do it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 07, 2012, 08:42:42 PM
Check out these nice Microsoft tablets:
 
http://search.aol.com/aol/image?q=microsoft+tablet&v_t=keyword_rollover&s_it=searchtabs (http://search.aol.com/aol/image?q=microsoft+tablet&v_t=keyword_rollover&s_it=searchtabs)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2012, 09:10:12 PM
Here is something that you may not know.

MS was developing a pretty sweet looking tablet called the Courier. It opened like a book and had touch screens on both sides. I was looking forward to it being released even if I have no need or plans to purchase a tablet.
The Courier got cancelled and the Courier team got moved into the Xbox Division.

Many many months later you have this rumor of an XBox tablet...
It doesn't really surprise me if it should turn out to be true, but I still don't see it happening... It might be good if they do it just like the uPad, otherwise it will be a cumbersome and cluttered experience for Xbox gamers next gen.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 07, 2012, 09:22:30 PM
Here is something that you may not know.

MS was developing a pretty sweet looking tablet called the Courier. It opened like a book and had touch screens on both sides. I was looking forward to it being released even if I have no need or plans to purchase a tablet.
The Courier got cancelled and the Courier team got moved into the Xbox Division.

Many many months later you have this rumor of an XBox tablet...
It doesn't really surprise me if it should turn out to be true, but I still don't see it happening... It might be good if they do it just like the uPad, otherwise it will be a cumbersome and cluttered experience for Xbox gamers next gen.

Could Sony or Microsoft reveal their tablet controllers this E3 and have them on shelves for the PS3 and 360 this holiday season to compete with the Wii U? They obviously have a head start in terms of having an HD console on the market, but Nintendo has market share with the Wii, so I assume they would release a tablet controller to try and keep their loyal fanbase on their current systems rather than lose them with the Wii U and then have the trouble of recapturing them with the PS4 and 720.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 08, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
The best Sony can do is push support for Vita connectivity. MS would be MUCH better off waiting on that until they launch a new system.

Personally, this is something I DON'T wanna see. I just got a PS3, so now I own all three systems. Repeating this next gen means having 3 tablet controllers lying around, though I'm unlikely to buy a PS4 (haven't even turned on the PS3 yet).
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 11, 2012, 03:50:10 AM
During the enxt console cycle, Microsoft might create two SKUs of the Xbox 720. One will lack a disc drive and will be fully DLC only. The second SKU will be the same as the first but with an actual disc drive. Microsft has caught wind that digital distribution is taken hold of the gaming industry and is going to cash in on it. The reason for two different SKUs is so that people with poor internet connection can still own their system and play their games. Lastly, the download only system would help Microsft solve the issue of what optical format the 720 will use once it hits the market.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 11, 2012, 06:19:46 AM
Lastly, the download only system would help Microsft solve the issue of what optical format the 720 will use once it hits the market.

I'm pretty sure they will use Bluray. Also, while I'm sure there will be different xbox Skus available one without an optical drive is unlikely. Look at the PSP Go for an example of how well that idea pans out.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 11, 2012, 12:08:51 PM
Actually, no disc drive isn't as crazy as you think.

When was the last time you stuck a disc into your PC other than to burn something?
How did you purchase and install the last 20 games you bought a played on your PC?
How did you purchase and install the last 20 anything you put on your computer?

With the X720 being a stationary platform like a PC, being online and download only might not be that crazy. It doesn't work with a portable system since you would need a constant internet connection and wifi isn't that wide spread (and neither is cellphone tethering), but if it works for your PC (see Steam) then it could work for your console too.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 11, 2012, 12:57:19 PM
No disc drive only works if EVERY game is available for download.  Sony tried that **** with the PSP Go but it was ridiculous because the majority of PSP games were only available in disc format.

I personally wouldn't like it because you can't possibly buy used games for it.  I can see the obvious advantage to the videogame companies in that but not one for the customer.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 11, 2012, 01:11:42 PM
Lastly, the download only system would help Microsft solve the issue of what optical format the 720 will use once it hits the market.

I'm pretty sure they will use Bluray. Also, while I'm sure there will be different xbox Skus available one without an optical drive is unlikely. Look at the PSP Go for an example of how well that idea pans out.

And yet digital downloading still persists. Look at all the online services that are available for all the major consoles and smartphones. The era of digital downloading is on the horizon, it is only a matter of time.
 
I am curious to know what the energy requirements for maintainign a optical disc drive inside a console versus purely chip based storage. How much heat is created for each system? Microsoft is going to avoid another RROD situation like the plauge, so I assume that will adopt whatever measures neccessary to keep their system alive. 
 
Also, Microsoft might abandon HDDs in favor external HDD support. The system lacking a disc slot could have added flash memory as well. 
 
@ Ian Sane
 
Correct me I am wrong, but hasn't Sony been offering their retail games on the PSN for a while? I remember reading that Infamous 2 was available near the launch of its retail counterpart. All Microsft would have to do is make both versions of their games available at retail luanch. 
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Post by: Ceric on January 11, 2012, 01:53:53 PM
Yes, Sony has.
I honestly think that now is a good time to go back Cart based.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 11, 2012, 02:16:26 PM
A disc only console would bomb (even if every game was available digitally). Yes some people would buy it, but most people who buy game systems will want a physical disc. Kytim, digital downloading will not take over for at least 10 years (and that would be the earliest it could happen IMO). I do think more games should be available for download, but I don't think it being the standard would be a good idea and it won't happen anytime soon. There are too many problems with it, one being that there are still millions of people with no broadband. Then you have the fact that for the majority of people, their broadband speed is at the point that a 8GB game would take several hours to download (I know some have faster than that, but the average person doesn't), and I don't know how many people would have that kind of patience (nevermind how long a 40GB game would take).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 11, 2012, 04:46:56 PM
No disc drive only works if EVERY game is available for download.  Sony tried that **** with the PSP Go but it was ridiculous because the majority of PSP games were only available in disc format.

I personally wouldn't like it because you can't possibly buy used games for it.  I can see the obvious advantage to the videogame companies in that but not one for the customer.

A disc free system also could only work if everyone has broadband internet access. To be fair, in this day and age most people probably do, but its far from accurate to say everyone does.

Actually, if you think about it a portable system like the PSP GO sorta makes more sense as a download only system, because if you don't have internet access you can just take it over to a starbucks or wherever you can get free WiFi and you can do your game purchases there. It may not be ideal, but it is workable. But can you do that with a bulky home console that you have to rig up to a TV screen and external power to work? Unless you have broadband at home you are going to be screwed.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 11, 2012, 05:04:22 PM

A disc only console would bomb (even if every game was available digitally). Yes some people would buy it, but most people who buy game systems will want a physical disc.

The same argument could have been made for PC gamers quite a few years ago before Steam came along and made digital game collecting the IN thing to do.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 11, 2012, 05:10:15 PM
What happens if Steam goes up in smoke? Then all your Steam games are toast. I think I'd rather stick with owning a tangible disc based copy which I can count on to still be usable a decade later.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 11, 2012, 06:07:11 PM
What happens if Steam goes up in smoke? Then all your Steam games are toast. I think I'd rather stick with owning a tangible disc based copy which I can count on to still be usable a decade later.

One thing about the next generation of consoles is that online retail is going to become even more robust. I look for consumer rights to become increasingly integrted into the online retail so that if you buy something digitally it is your property all the way.   
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 11, 2012, 06:20:24 PM
What happens if Steam goes up in smoke? Then all your Steam games are toast. I think I'd rather stick with owning a tangible disc based copy which I can count on to still be usable a decade later.

One thing about the next generation of consoles is that online retail is going to become even more robust. I look for consumer rights to become increasingly integrted into the online retail so that if you buy something digitally it is your property all the way.   

You don't own the content you pay for, you are only paying for the right to use it. I don't see that changing any time soon. The only way it would happen is if the government forced it to happen, but I don't see that happening either, and the big corporations certainly aren't going to to allow it to happen voluntarily.

Digital distribution is even worse than disc based distribution, because if its digital its easier for the content provider to lock you out of it or kill the whole thing off if they so choose to do so. At least the software on a disc can't be remotely killswitched on you.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 11, 2012, 06:49:41 PM
What happens if Steam goes up in smoke? Then all your Steam games are toast. I think I'd rather stick with owning a tangible disc based copy which I can count on to still be usable a decade later.

One thing about the next generation of consoles is that online retail is going to become even more robust. I look for consumer rights to become increasingly integrted into the online retail so that if you buy something digitally it is your property all the way.   

What is this a joke?  Part of the benefit for companies is that without a physical copy they have control over when you need to replace the product.  Nintendo for example probably does NOT like it that I still play Super Mario World on my SNES because that means I didn't buy the GBA version or the VC version and will not buy any new version whatsoever any time soon.  I've kept my old videogames in good condition and thus that game is one-time purchase for me.  Obviously the videogame companies would prefer that I rebuy the same game every five years or so.

Ten years from now I doubt any of your downloaded games from today will still be playable.  Let's say its 2025 and your old Wii breaks.  Now if your old NES breaks, you still can find another NES and all your games will still work.  But with the Wii all your downloaded titles are gone.  The only way to get them back is if Nintendo gives you the option and are they going to even have the Wii online store up and running then?  That's not even a "ha ha! We screwed you!" move.  I can't imagine any company maintaining something like that for that long.

With physical devices running physical media it will just work if you can find the right stuff.  It doesn't really matter that Battletoads is in ownership limbo and Capcom doesn't have the rights to DuckTales anymore.  Those games aren't gone.  You can go to the flea market and find an old copy.  Ten years from now if World of Goo is not available in stores due to some legal issues it is GONE.  If you didn't get it then and don't have it saved on some archaic piece of hardware that hopefully can still work without its online services still running, you can't get it.

I'm not sure if the younger generation who is quick to embrace this doesn't care about such things or has failed to truly grasp what is going on.  If MS made a download-only, always-online system with cloud saves that thing is a paper weight the second MS stops supporting it.  You're renting a game for a couple years, not buying it.  But people can still play old Atari cartridges that are over 30 years old.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 11, 2012, 07:03:02 PM
I don't think KyTime knows what he wants. Here he is arguing Microsoft should make the next Xbox download only, but in the PS4 thread he was arguing Sony should make it cartridge based. Those are two very wildly different ways of doing it. Most likely they will both just stick to an optical format (most likely Blu-ray) instead of either of those extremes Kytime is calling for.
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Post by: Shaymin on January 11, 2012, 07:39:59 PM
What happens if Steam goes up in smoke? Then all your Steam games are toast. I think I'd rather stick with owning a tangible disc based copy which I can count on to still be usable a decade later.

Valve is on record as saying that if Steam went down for the count, they'd supply an unlock key to allow the games to continue playing. The onus would be on the user to store the games somewhere, but they'd still be playable.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 11, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
What happens if Steam goes up in smoke? Then all your Steam games are toast. I think I'd rather stick with owning a tangible disc based copy which I can count on to still be usable a decade later.

Valve is on record as saying that if Steam went down for the count, they'd supply an unlock key to allow the games to continue playing. The onus would be on the user to store the games somewhere, but they'd still be playable.

Valve says that now but who knows what Valve will want to do in the future?  20 years from now none of the existing Valve staff might remain and the new owners might not feel like doing the same thing.  You're just taking someone's word, who might not have any say whatsoever at some point in the future.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 11, 2012, 07:47:39 PM
Not to mention that if someone bought Valve, the new owners might not have that same opinion.
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Post by: bhurak on January 11, 2012, 08:34:48 PM
@Ian Sane


Do you ever wonder if the new games (even on physical disk) will still be playable?


1) Today's consoles have moving parts meaning they are much more likely to fail then your SNES (and mine too, thankfully!)


2) Many of today's games require patches, or some sort of online infrastructure to play and enjoy. 


I think its very likely that we cannot recover these experiences 20 years from now - even with the disk!  And already it's getting harder to connect the NES and SNES to TV's - and the experience is different then the original CRT's.


Just something I think about.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 11, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Most of the patches through Xbox Live are not REQUIRED to play the game, just to play on Xbox Live. The games would still be playable. I do agree about the online part though, I think it's shortsighted to focus a game so heavily on online play. I don't like games that require it to get the most enjoyment.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 11, 2012, 10:13:41 PM
Microsoft will not adopt Blu-Ray for the same reason that Nintendo will not do it: Sony. Microsoft will most likely use some upgraded version of DVD and it might be similar to what Nintendo is using with the Wii U.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 11, 2012, 10:24:02 PM
Digital distribution has another hurdle to clear too.

Mention has already been made of a broadband connection. On top of that are plan caps. As far as I know caps are not a worldwide thing. Let's say a game next gen is about 15 to 20 gig. That is 25% of my limit gone for the month.

Most people are in caps lower than the 100gig that i have. So it would be impractical to have digital only.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 11, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
Honestly, I have never liked optical media, so I kind of wish that the industry would return to cartridges. I would really like digital distribution, but the bandwidth issues are not going to get resolved any time soon. Cartridges are still too cost prohibitive at the moment, but the thing that rekindled my interest is the Vita. Overall, I do not want that as my gaming system, but I like the fact that it uses cartridges for games that look like those for console.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 12, 2012, 04:48:31 AM
Honestly, I have never liked optical media, so I kind of wish that the industry would return to cartridges. I would really like digital distribution, but the bandwidth issues are not going to get resolved any time soon. Cartridges are still too cost prohibitive at the moment, but the thing that rekindled my interest is the Vita. Overall, I do not want that as my gaming system, but I like the fact that it uses cartridges for games that look like those for console.

So what is the 3DS then? Dirt on the bottom of your shoe? The 3DS has been out for almost a year and has used cartridges since day one. You are acting like this is something new and revolutionary with the Vita, but Nintendo has always been doing it with handhelds.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kytim89 on January 12, 2012, 05:30:35 PM
Honestly, I have never liked optical media, so I kind of wish that the industry would return to cartridges. I would really like digital distribution, but the bandwidth issues are not going to get resolved any time soon. Cartridges are still too cost prohibitive at the moment, but the thing that rekindled my interest is the Vita. Overall, I do not want that as my gaming system, but I like the fact that it uses cartridges for games that look like those for console.

So what is the 3DS then? Dirt on the bottom of your shoe? The 3DS has been out for almost a year and has used cartridges since day one. You are acting like this is something new and revolutionary with the Vita, but Nintendo has always been doing it with handhelds.

Imentioned the Vita because of its raw power and the fact it has cartridge based games.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2012, 06:17:38 PM
Power of the system really has nothing to do with the medium used for the games.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 12, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
 The 3DS is a pretty powerful system in its own right. Isn't it about roughly as powerful as a Gamecube? And the GC is of course a console, so there you go, a handheld which is as powerful as a console and uses cartridges.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on January 12, 2012, 08:07:02 PM
i measure games in Resident Evil 5s

3ds is 0.92 Resident Evil 5 capable
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2012, 08:11:58 PM

Not to mention that if someone bought Valve, the new owners might not have that same opinion.

Yes, because there's a real danger that Valve is going to be bought out. For that matter, if there's a giant solar flare that wipes out the internet you won't be able to log in to Steam and all your games will be useless.

It's in no one's best interest to take away digitally purchased games. Do you think anyone would ever support your company again if you did that? You'd destroy yourself and possibly the entire digital delivery market in the process. Just because they could doesn't mean they would or even would ever want to.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2012, 10:03:17 PM
Much bigger companies than Valve have been bought out before. And if a company wanted just their IP's, they could continue selling them and still make money. You might have some PC gamers pissed, but I think they would still do well enough to profit from purchasing the company. Besides, I just mentioned that as a plausible possibility and why it's a terrible policy Valve has when it comes to licensing you the rights to play a game.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2012, 10:13:54 PM
Valve isn't publicly traded, though. They'd have to agree to being bought out, and that would require a massive change in their culture. And they'd have anyone paying attention to the situation pissed, which would include pretty much all their core audience. It would be suicide to take away people's purchased games. There's no realistic scenario in which doing so is a net positive. People who worry about that are overly paranoid.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2012, 10:28:17 PM
It's a company offered Gabe Newell and Mike Harrington some huge number like $1 billion for Valve, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't accept. I admit that it's not likely that anyone owning Valve would stop people who licensed their games from keeping them after.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 13, 2012, 03:45:14 AM
It's in no one's best interest to take away digitally purchased games.

It is if its some rival platform that wants to force people to buy those games all over again so they can rake in more money.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2012, 12:49:20 PM
It's in no one's best interest to take away digitally purchased games.

It is if its some rival platform that wants to force people to buy those games all over again so they can rake in more money.

Not if people refuse to buy from the companies that took away the games. In that case, the company did long-term harm to their brand.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on January 13, 2012, 09:17:09 PM
Valve isn't publicly traded, though. They'd have to agree to being bought out, and that would require a massive change in their culture.

Publicly traded companies would still have to approve of being bought, even if the amount of money was disproportionately huge.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 13, 2012, 09:24:28 PM
With a publicly traded company, all the takeover company has to do is manage to get enough of the shareholders (50.1% of the total stock) to say yes.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on January 13, 2012, 09:35:16 PM
Most companies have far too many shareholders to actually track down on an individual basis and buy out, even if it's just for one more than half of the total outstanding shares. What actually happens during a buyout where the two companies consolidate (or make a parent/sub reality) the board approves and the shareholders exchange their stock in the acquiree (which is now worthless) for new stock either in the parent or the newly created going concern.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2012, 12:21:04 AM
2 rumors surface... one supporting the other. I've been sitting on the first one for a few days (tabs been open in my browser) but I guess I'll post it now since there is a follow up to it already.

neXbox 720 chip is codenamed Oban? ... oh that's the old story?
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/18/xbox-nextxbox-720-chips-in-production/
then what is new? The chip is finished and starting a production run?
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Now for the new stuff. The XBox Next/720 Oban chip is in initial production. Sources at a foundry with a blue logo, confirm that Oban wafers started running in the final days of 2011. Sources on the other side of the continent in Redmond when questioned, said, “Who the f*&$ told you that? I am going to f#*&ing rip someone’s head off”. We at SemiAccurate take this as confirmation that the initial sources were in the right ballpark.

ok, that quote is funny but probably didn't happen. I'm not buying it.

But fudzilla seems to be hearing more about it.
http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/25619-oban-initial-product-run-is-real
HD7000 class chip and dev kits out before E3 (Mar/Apr) for release in 2013
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It seems now that recent speculation that the new main System on a Chip (SoC) for the Next Xbox (or Xbox 720, if you like) began production is apparently accurate; the SoC did indeed start production in late December of 2011. Sources tell us that the code name for the chip is Oban, and it is being produced by both IBM and Global Foundries for Microsoft.

If speculation is correct, which our sources believe it is, the power behind the next Xbox will be a PowerPC CPU that is married to an ATI Southern Islands GPU, or modified 7000 series. Continued rumors of an x86 compatible CPU seem to be bunk, just based on where the chip is being fab’d.

This first run of these 32nm Oban chips will be destined for developer consoles, so any hope for a holiday console release in 2012 seems unrealistic, according to our sources, but an announcement perhaps before the end of the year might be possible. It would seem Microsoft’s strategy of getting it in 2013 is all but assured. We do think that the chips will be in production by the end of the year for consoles destined to be sold in 2013, which seems to agree with what others are saying.

There are still many unknowns, but those in the development community seem to be clued in at least a high level. From the shadows we hear whispers of expecting development kits as early as March, but more than likely April, if all goes well.

While we expect these development kits to shed some light on what Microsoft will be doing with the Next Xbox/720, it is very likely that we will see at least couple of revisions before everything is settled as they get closer to an actual production unit.

Sounds plausible.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 24, 2012, 01:04:32 AM
neXbox 720 chip is codenamed Oban?

Sounds like a cross between Obi and Wan. So if that is the case, what about the Kenobi? Perhaps Kinect is the Kenobi. Oban Kinecti?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on January 24, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
HD7000... What did we establish the Wii U was on?

Though I can't believe they are starting more than limited production runs.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ymeegod on January 25, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
Rumor was the WII U was using a custom HD 4000 series chipset.

Another rumor, which is going be the deal breaker for me, MS is going add some sort of DRM on the system to pervent used games/borrowing/renting ect from being played.  I figured it was only a matter of time before someone tried this on consoles (PC's been this way for years) but if MS does this then I'm out.  I'll just stick with Nintendo and Sony next generation.

 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 25, 2012, 08:55:36 PM
I'll just stick with Nintendo and Sony next generation.

And what if they do it too? What then?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ymeegod on January 25, 2012, 10:47:03 PM
Nintendo isn't at least not for the wii u.  As for Sony, I think they already learned their leason with the PSP GO and if MS does do this and Sony doesn't that instant fanbase increase because alot of people will not buy a console with DRM.

MS would be basically shooting themselves in the foot at this point.  Developers won't make any more money when people don't buy the console to begin with.

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 25, 2012, 10:49:30 PM
because alot of people will not buy a console with DRM.

The sales have dropped a lot, but people still play PC games despite being full of DRM.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ymeegod on January 25, 2012, 11:08:40 PM
Have you see PC sales?  Very few titles sell well anymore (Starcraft/Diablo and some MMOs) and it's why you see more and more developers dropping PC support.  DRM wasn't help piracy all that much on the PC. 

And if rumors are true, MS is going with a completely new API this generation making porting games to PC that much harder so you'll see even less software available in the future. 

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 25, 2012, 11:42:51 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Sony includes DRM in the PS4. Sony has a long history with DRM - Hell they are practically the founding fathers of DRM, so yeah.

This means the Wii U will probably be the only system without it. Maybe that will help cement their dominance in this generation? I hope that is the case. Its certainly a great thing for consumers and used game retailers, but on the other hand developers may not like it and for that reason 3rd party support might suffer, but then again Nintendo has always had poor 3rd party support, so what's the difference?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Enner on January 26, 2012, 12:48:41 AM
Have you see PC sales?  Very few titles sell well anymore (Starcraft/Diablo and some MMOs) and it's why you see more and more developers dropping PC support.

PC games sell well enough for some specialty developers to continue making games. If anything, support for PC versions of multiplatform games has grown in these past few years. It's just that there is much more money to be made on consoles due to the wider audience. However, if you have a crazy game where it's possible to have crazy fan base, it would be easiest to succeed on the PC.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 26, 2012, 07:17:03 AM
Have you see PC sales?  Very few titles sell well anymore (Starcraft/Diablo and some MMOs) and it's why you see more and more developers dropping PC support.  DRM wasn't help piracy all that much on the PC. 

Remember, the numbers we see of PC games only include sales of physical games. Steam sales aren't included in that, and I don't think most other digital sales are either. You point out that Starcraft, Diablo and some MMOs sell well; it's probably not a coincidence that those are things that aren't available on Steam.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ymeegod on January 26, 2012, 07:55:28 AM
Actually the developers post their own numbers which include digital copies and the numbers are low.  Crysis 2 for example sold something like 50% on the Xbox 360, 30% on the PS3, and 15% on the PC.  But if you look at torrent sites nearly 5 MILLION people downloaded the PC version where on the Xbox only 500K did.  That's the difference.  It's not there isn't PC gamers it just there's alot more piracy that's eating into sales. 

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ymeegod on January 26, 2012, 07:59:44 AM
Pirated games for 2011:

"PC Game Downloads
1. Crysis 2     (3,920,000)
2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3     (3,650,000)
3. Battlefield 3     (3,510,000)
4. FIFA 12     (3,390,000)
5. Portal 2     (3,240,000)

Wii Game Downloads
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2     (1,280,000)
2. Mario Sports Mix     (1,090,000)
3. Xenoblade Chronicles     (950,000)
4. Lego Pirates of the Caribbean     (870,000)
5. FIFA 12     (860,000)

Xbox 360 Game
1. Gears of War 3     (890,000)
2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3     (830,000)
3. Battlefield 3     (760,000)
4. Forza Motorsport 4     (720,000)
5. Kinect Sports: Season Two     (690,000)"

----------------------------------------------------
PC gamers are just killing themsleves. 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Enner on January 26, 2012, 04:51:35 PM
PC gamers are just killing themsleves. 

In terms of dumb blockbuster games, yes. There is plenty of life in PC games of different scopes and scales. From small games like The Binding of Issac, to sprawling simulations like the X series and Railworks, and to smartly-produced big games like The Witcher 2, PC gaming is in a healthier state then some would think.

The Witcher 2 is a bad example to cite given recent news of that game in relation software piracy.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 05:05:35 PM
If the NeXbox is 6 times more powerful than the 360 then referring to it as xbox720 would be inaccurate because 720 is only double the 360, right? Instead it should be called Xbox2160 because 2160 is the number you get when you multiply 360 by 6.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Lithium on January 26, 2012, 07:42:02 PM
true but chances are they're going to go with a different naming convention this time around, I just like to call whatever the next xbox is the "xbox 3" but thats just me.
Title: Xbox720 Touchscreen Controller!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2012, 09:49:42 PM
Xbox World Magazine: XboxNext has a touchscreen controller!!!
Not bulky like Wii U but sleek like Vita and in HD...
Quote from: XBW Mag
The next Xbox will be a matt-black media hub with a mission to bring games to life in your living room with augmented reality, directional sound, and a four-player finger-tracking Kinect. We told you all that last month. This month, our sources tell us it will have a touchscreen, too.

Microsoft are experimenting with a tablet-like controller with a shape closer to Sony's sleek Vita handheld / Apple's iPad than Wii U's bulky unit - it's an HD screen surrounded by the traditional 360 buttons and sticks.


On 360 that touchscreen will be second only to Kinect in how you operate your console. It could be a remote control when you're watching TV, a browser when you're on the internet, extra buttons and information when playing a game or a portable display when you want to take your game with you.

..

Expect to see the next Xbox at E3 this June.

No one is missing out on this idea this time around it seems...
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2012, 09:54:39 PM
The Wii U controller is not really bulky.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2012, 10:09:21 PM
I'm only repeating what they said... so don't smite me over it... oooops too late. ;)

But I agree based on what I've heard and seen in pics, the Wii U controller looks perfectly fine. It just need to be in black.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
I would be surprised if Nintendo doesn't offer a black Wii U, though who knows when it would happen.

As for the rumor, it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft (and Sony) do it. If something is successful, you can assume the competition will try to copy it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2012, 07:02:21 AM
Mark Rein: Unreal Engine 4 for "systems we can’t name yet."
notice that that is plural. Pay attention to those PS4 & Xbox720 rumors. we just might see 1 or both at E3 this year.
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The DICE summit is currently taking place as awards are being handed out and moments ago Mark Rein took the stage. While talking about Unreal Engine 4 he said that the graphics engine was running on “systems I can’t talk about by name.” This would obviously point to the next generation of consoles being pretty far into development. Let the rumors continue to come out of the woodworks!

UPDATE: The quote was technically “Including systems we can’t name yet.”

There are lots of rumors surrounding the Xbox720, and when it comes to MS, where there is smoke, there is usually a fire. Can't say for sure if it will be at E3, but I expect them to reveal it at some point this year.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 10, 2012, 07:34:49 AM
Whenever we hear rumors about some new console we automatically assume it must be something made by Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo, but what if a new console gets unveiled made by someone else? Its entirely possible. These last two generations we've had three players and that's it, but in every generation prior there were other players which came and went. Some made it big like Sega and Atari, but there were others that only deserve a footnote like 3D0 and Neo Geo and Turbografix and so on.

But anyway, its not impossible that this upcoming eighth console generation might see someone else enter the game. Maybe Sega will return? Its not impossible, right? Or maybe Apple will jump in. Or maybe someone else who is completely outside our radar will step out of the woodwork and unveil some new console. Anything is possible, right?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2012, 07:39:32 AM
There was a rumor about Apple making a console a while back, but then I think someone reminded them of the Pippin and then Apple decided that a TV was a better route to take if they wanted to take over the livingroom.

Have you heard about the AppleTV?

I could make a new thread about the rumored device if you want. I'm sort of an anti-Apple person, but it's not because of the hardware they make, it's the subculture and and closed environment that they promote, but I could still fill you in on some of the stuff about it. Could be an interesting thread.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on February 10, 2012, 08:36:53 AM
The Pippin was created during Steve Jobs' exile/absence from Apple and it was one of the products he immediately discontinued upon his return. Apple typically enters emerging markets rather than established ones. That allows them to create their own rules about what a product in a growing market should be like. I've never really been convinced that Apple, with its company culture so ingrained in how Steve Jobs did business, would want to release a home video game console. Games on iDevices are just something that they do rather than something that they're made for. Considering the structure of the gaming industry, I don't think there's a way for Apple to make a grossly unbelievable profit from it, even if they attempted to reinvent the wheel. It's probably not worth it for them.

I've heard some people say that Nintendo should team up with Apple but that's just silliness. Apple demands almost complete control of their products. I can't imagine Nintendo ceding that much power to another company. At that point, Nintendo would almost become a glorified 3rd party developer on Apple hardware. I don't see how that benefits Nintendo at all.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 10, 2012, 08:40:00 AM
Go ahead and post it in a thread, BnM. This general gaming forum is for the discussion of all game consoles, even the rumored and unconfirmed ones.

As for the failure of the Pippin, it was priced at $599 and had very little software support. Even Sony and their ultra popular Playstation brand struggled at that price point, and let's not forget that $600 was worth a lot more in 1995 dollars, so yeah.

I think Apple being the powerhouse that they are today could succeed now where they had failed back in 1995. They have enough money now that they could make stuff happen, and more importantly people take them seriously and would be a lot more eager to jump onto their bandwagon. All they would practically have to do is tell developers they are making a game console and they would probably just jump on board immediately, because that's just how big the Apple brand is these days.

So I don't think the failure of the Pippin has any relevance to the argument of whether Apple should or shouldn't create a console today. That's the same sort of logic as saying Nintendo shouldn't have made the 3DS because of the Virtual Boy.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on February 10, 2012, 09:11:29 AM
You know what does have relevance in this discussion is that believe that this is only a 3 console generation.  Its actually not.  We as gamers just don't recognize things like the Leap Frog lineup.  There are a couple of children only consoles out there.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 10, 2012, 09:18:42 AM
Ceric, do you think Leapfrog might be that unnamed console that the Unreal 4 engine is being ported to? ;)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2012, 09:38:53 AM
hey guys, the Pippin reference was a joke.

But as seeing that the Mac lineup already has a hard time getting real games made for it, I don't think Apple is interested in a dedicated games console.

The AppleTV, from what I've heard about it is much more up their alley. I'll post a thread sometime much later today.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on February 10, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
Ceric, do you think Leapfrog might be that unnamed console that the Unreal 4 engine is being ported to? ;)
That would be awesome.  Now that Tad has aged out of the education programs, he's at least in college now, he's looking for some Real Edutainment.

LeapFrog XTreme.  Fraggin Noobs and Learning Numbers. 
That's some Calculus for ya Bitches!

For ages 18 and up
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 10, 2012, 11:10:41 AM
Steve Jobs was on record as not giving a **** about gaming. He actually actively discouraged games early in the Mac's life because he didn't think that was fitting for the image he wanted to create for it. He seemed to have softened on that more recently, and Mac gaming has taken huge strides in the last couple years, largely thanks to the Mac version of Steam and also the Mac App Store.

And as someone who owns an AppleTV, that thing is woefully underutilized. It's a good product, and is a great choice for a Netflix/media streaming device if you own other Apple products, but it could do so much more than it currently does and Apple doesn't seem to have much interest on doing it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on February 10, 2012, 11:14:28 AM
Knowing people who own an AppleTV.  There is nothing it really does that couldn't be done cheaper and/or better by a lot of other boxes.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 10, 2012, 11:23:16 AM
A Roku box, which is about the closest equivalent, isn't that much cheaper. The AirPlay functionality is the reason to own it, as nothing else can do that, and it comes in really handy sometimes. I use it with the MLS Match Day Live app on my iPad to watch Sounders games on TV without the hassle of wiring my computer to it. The iPad 2 supports universal screen mirroring, which could have tons of uses, and if I remember correctly I think that capability is coming to OS X at some point.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 10, 2012, 12:47:02 PM
Just because Apple doesn't have a good track record with games doesn't mean they couldn't make it happen. Things change, after all.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2012, 08:58:46 PM
When I said rumors about an Apple TV, I was not talking about that little box that streams content from iTunes. I was talking about Apple making an actual HDTV.

I'm gonna go dig up the rumors in a little bit and make a new thread.


I made a new thread for it.

Apple's HD iTV (would you want an Apple HDTV?) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=36952.msg718623#msg718623)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Caterkiller on February 10, 2012, 09:51:14 PM
Microsoft to copy Nintendo.


http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/02/10/report-xbox-720-to-use-touchscreen-controller (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/02/10/report-xbox-720-to-use-touchscreen-controller)


According to a report from Xbox World magazine, the controller will be "an HD screen surrounded by the traditional 360 buttons and sticks." The magazine goes on to state that the controller “could be a remote control when you're watching TV, a browser when you're on the internet, extra buttons and information when you're playing a game or a portable display when you want to take your game with you."


I wouldn't be surprised at all. But if it does turn out to be true, I would have wished for Sony and Microsoft to come up with something new that was unique.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2012, 10:34:09 PM
Already posted about it on the last page (with the original source ;)). It's what led into the apple talk.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg718448#msg718448
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Caterkiller on February 10, 2012, 11:32:47 PM
Already posted about it on the last page (with the original source ;) ). It's what led into the apple talk.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg718448#msg718448 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg718448#msg718448)

Upstage me will ya?!

Come over my house again! I dare you...

Edit:
Man how didn't I notice that? You win, you always win. :(


Edit again:
Now I see why I didn't notice, how come no one's talking about it? When all 3 systems come with it will all the haters just not buy anything?

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 11, 2012, 06:17:54 AM
Microsoft to copy Nintendo.


http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/02/10/report-xbox-720-to-use-touchscreen-controller (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/02/10/report-xbox-720-to-use-touchscreen-controller)


According to a report from Xbox World magazine, the controller will be "an HD screen surrounded by the traditional 360 buttons and sticks." The magazine goes on to state that the controller “could be a remote control when you're watching TV, a browser when you're on the internet, extra buttons and information when you're playing a game or a portable display when you want to take your game with you."


I wouldn't be surprised at all. But if it does turn out to be true, I would have wished for Sony and Microsoft to come up with something new that was unique.

This is precisely why Nintendo shouldn't have unveiled the tablet controller 1 and a half years in advance. They should have kept it secret and then only unveiled it at E3 this year. That way the competition wouldn't have had such a huge head start to start copying it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Stogi on February 11, 2012, 06:51:43 AM
They're still launching first.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 11, 2012, 07:36:47 AM
They're still launching first.

Yeah, but that means probably a 1 year advantage at best, and possibly even less than that because we don't know exactly when the PS420 will appear. At least with Move/Kinect it took 3-4 years before the innovation was copied. The problem is now everyone knows the PS420 is going to have a tablet controller even BEFORE the WiiU has launched. That's just as shitty as when Capcom announced RE4 was coming to the PS2 even BEFORE it was released on the GC. Losing exclusivity is bad enough, but its even worse when the competition announces they are stealing your thing even before your thing has hit the shelves.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on February 11, 2012, 09:56:45 AM
I'm pretty confident that whatever other Tablet controller is put out it will not be as thought out as Nintendo's.  Though It will probably have multi-touch.

On the Flipside though If MS has a tablet controller as well you couldn't blame Nintendo on being weird with there controller.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on February 11, 2012, 10:07:45 AM
This makes me think that there's something special about Wii U and/or the controller that Nintendo hasn't revealed yet. Why give Sony and Microsoft a year and a half head start on ganking their ideas?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2012, 10:56:23 AM
I really hoping that Nintendo was pretty confident with all their patents and that is part of the reason why they put it out there so early.
I'm hoping that they were baiting Sony & MS to follow their lead on this one only to find out that they would need to make some very serious and extremely expensive changes to achieve the same or better results.

Such as MS having a tablet controller might actually need to be a stand alone tablet which will run you at minimum $100 in manufacturing especially with an HD (720p) screen and quality multi-touch functions. vs the uMote which I'm estimating  will cost Nintendo ~$50 to put together and retail for half of MS's Xtab or Sony's PSVitab
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Stogi on February 11, 2012, 05:06:42 PM
The Wii U also has the Wiimote+ (hopefully Nintendo will show a new, more stable iteration this E3). Say what you want, but it is hands down better than Kinect and Move.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on February 11, 2012, 05:09:23 PM
If the patent system wasn't so broken I would say a tablet controller wouldn't be patentable because it is the obvious next step.  Sort of like smell is the obvious next step in entertainment tech.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 11, 2012, 06:00:48 PM
I don't know what the point of Nintendo's patents really is, because never once have they been able to come up with an innovation without Sony (and sometimes Microsoft) stealing it. We all knew at E3 2011 when Reggie revealed the new tablet controller innovation that eventually Sony/Microsoft is going to copy it. Well, not only does it look like its being copied, but its actually being copied before the WiiU has even been released. WTF? I was expecting the WiiU would at least launch and get a good solid year of life before the competition ripped it off, but this is just ridiculous.

Imagine if that had been the case with the Wii and its motion control innovation. It wasn't until 2010 that Move and Kinect appeared, so that meant the Wii had from 2006 until 2010 a period of about 4 years where they were the only motion control system on the block. But just imagine if Move and Kinect came out in 2007 or 2008. That would have been disastrous for the Wii.

Under U.S. patent law Nintendo should have 20 years of exclusivity with their tablet controller innovation. Sony and Microsoft should not be able to rip it off just one year later. If I was Nintendo I would sue the crap out of them and use lawyers to get that **** blocked. Maybe the problem all along has been that Nintendo is a push over. Did Nintendo's legal department tell Sony to cease and desist with the Move? Did they try to stop them from stealing the analog stick? No. Patents only do anything if they are enforced. Nintendo needs to take a stand and not let one more single innovation ever be stolen again. They also should sue Sony over the Move and collect the royalties from that.

Bunch of damn crooks.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2012, 07:35:36 PM
Alot of the things Nintendo patents, they didn't necessarily invent, just found a unique way of doing it and/or applying it to videogames. And apparently when they patent that way, they forgot to patent all the other alternative ways to do what they did too just incase.

With Move, it's the exact opposite of the way the Wiimote tech worked.

Wiimote has the camera in the controller and detect the light point at the TV
Move has the camera at the TV which tracks the light point on the controller.

The good thing about Nintendos implementation is the pointer is extremely accurate as long as it can see the light source above the TV, but loses itself you you don't point at the TV.
Moves benefit is that the camera can track that ball of light everywhere and now has 3D spacial awareness as the loss of pointer accuracy.

With a tablet controller, I'm not sure how much of it Nintendo can actually patent considering that they didn't invent the tablet and aren't the only one with controllers, so they can only patent their implementation of it and hope that they cover enough of it's function that the competition can't make a clone copy but have to do some sort of clever workaround to achieve similar function that will hopefully be too expensive to be practical for a console system.

Such as Nintendo may be the exclusive licensee of this particular streaming tech for use in a videogames console, so if MS or Sony want to stream to the controller, they will have to find some rival tech to do it too and hope that that rival tech isn't violating on any patents of the previous tech company otherwise they will have to take a completely different approach (like using Vitas as your screened controller - aka the extremely expensive alternative).

Now having said all of that, it will be interesting to see what MS (& Sony) have come up with if the rumors of them doing something almost identical are true. Sony has the Vita and several Tablets they could utilze, MS has Phone7/8 (and tablets that might use the same OS), the discontinued Courier team that was supposedly reassigned to the Xbox division (i posted that in here b4 right?) and the Zune team to draw experience from in making this happen.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on February 12, 2012, 02:49:31 AM
the whole patent system is screwed up. Im sure no matter what they make some jackass patent troll will sue them.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 13, 2012, 01:10:52 AM
The Wii U also has the Wiimote+ (hopefully Nintendo will show a new, more stable iteration this E3). Say what you want, but it is hands down better than Kinect and Move.

You bring up a big point with this.  The Wii U seems to be built around existing Wii technology to work in harmony with it. 

Look at the Wii U tablet for instance...it can detect the Wiimote + allowing for it to be used as a sensor bar, this opens alot of options with the tablet controller that Microsoft won't have, and I think it is true for Sony's Move.

Now what is really interesting, is that the Wiimote + feels more future proof also.  Sense the camera's are in the Wiimote Nintendo could develop new sensor bars and better programming to read and decipher motion controls better.  In fact with better processors it should greatly improve alone, but add into that the possibility of a new sensor bar...and could have the best motion controls of next generation in your hands already...but will this new sensor bar look like?  I think the Wii U tablet is our clue...the additional camera on the sensor could work in conjunction with the Wiimote camera to make better computations for movement, and perhaps even 3D movement like Sony's move controller. 

We will just have to see in future...but it is important to remember that the Wii U tablet isn't the only control option, and Nintendo already has our living rooms filled with control options we will be using into the next generation.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on February 13, 2012, 01:12:59 PM
Nintendo revealing the tablet early may prove to be bad for them but it actually better for the Wii U overall.  Nintendo were the oddballs with the Wii and that is exactly why the Wii got lame third party support.  The Wii was too different from the other systems to get the conventional stuff.  But if everyone has a tablet this coming gen then Nintendo are actually conventional while at the same time being the guys who initiated the idea in the first place.  Instead of making some unique tablet game for the Wii U that is handled by the B team and is not nearly as good as the "real" game made for Sony and MS, it will just be the same game.

Nintendo being weird and unique screws them on third party support.  If everyone copies them before the generation starts then they are unintentionally conventional.  And Nintendo doesn't have to even feel bad about being conventional because they established the convention!
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on February 13, 2012, 02:40:03 PM
Nintendo revealing the tablet early may prove to be bad for them but it actually better for the Wii U overall.  Nintendo were the oddballs with the Wii and that is exactly why the Wii got lame third party support.  The Wii was too different from the other systems to get the conventional stuff.  But if everyone has a tablet this coming gen then Nintendo are actually conventional while at the same time being the guys who initiated the idea in the first place.  Instead of making some unique tablet game for the Wii U that is handled by the B team and is not nearly as good as the "real" game made for Sony and MS, it will just be the same game.

Nintendo being weird and unique screws them on third party support.  If everyone copies them before the generation starts then they are unintentionally conventional.  And Nintendo doesn't have to even feel bad about being conventional because they established the convention!

yes Iansane is finally drinking the kool-aid!
Title: No Disc Drive for Durango??
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2012, 09:25:51 AM
NeXbox aka "Durango" to release without a Disc Drive!?
Some sort of Solid State Card to be used instead?
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/exclusive-no-disc-drive-for-next-xbox/092534 (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/exclusive-no-disc-drive-for-next-xbox/092534)
Quote
MCV has learnt that Microsoft has been telling partners that the Next Xbox will NOT include a disc drive.

The briefings have been issued under what MCV’s source describes as “the strictest NDA” they have ever encountered.

Although the console will not include a disc drive, it will offer compatibility with some sort of interchangeable solid-state card storage, although it is not known whether this will be proprietary or a more standard format such as SD.

Furthermore, a 2013 launch date for the hardware has been confirmed.

I believe this was kinda rumored before, and also matches the "anti-used game sales" rumor from before, but will Durango survive as mostly DD, or will MS be able to drive down cost on SSD/Flash cards enough to not have their games cost more than the competition?


p.s. This is more likely what UE4 was being shown off on @ GDC, but everyone was so desperate for Wii U news, I wanted to post something...
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on March 09, 2012, 10:42:43 AM
I don't see this happening. I'd prefer games use solid state cards because I don't like loading screens (though Resident Evil Revelations still has loading screens). Eventually, we'll probably see them in consoles (I really don't see a non-physical media future any time soon) but I don't think Microsoft will be the first. Durango is going to use a regular optical disc drive. It'll probably be Blu-Ray just for feature parity with PS4 which will have a Blu-Ray drive. That's not a confirmation, just a sound assumption. I really don't see Sony giving up on the format.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on March 09, 2012, 11:31:51 AM
I can't see solid state being cheap enough in the slightest.  Are they really crazy enough to make it DD only?  Didn't something like only half of 360 users connect to the internet?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on March 09, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
It is too soon for DD-only.  Nintendo just spent last gen courting casuals.  DD-only is incredibly hardcore and niche.  With MS making tons of money with Kinect, why would they go with that?  They're just pissing that audience away.

Probably what it is is that they're more or less switching to cartridges.  We're so used to discs now that saying a system has no disc drive sounds like a DD-only system at first listen.

Though if they want to do it, fine.  I wouldn't mind MS shooting themselves in the foot.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on March 09, 2012, 08:58:39 PM
Lets see.

$6 for a 8 GB SD Card at consumer pricers.

Volume would probably drop that like a stone.
MS doesn't need to use the fastest tech.  You can write to an SD Card so, it could note it being used before.  MS did this on Floppy Windows installs back in the day.  When you installed it would save your info in such a way that it couldn't be redone without a hack.

Even if its the $6 price they could just pass that to the consumer.  $59.99 for a physical version of the game and $53.99 for a Digital version.  Probably still make more off the game digitally and every digital copy of a game is another game they don't have to worry about being sold used, don't have to worry about the cost associated with physical items (storage, transportation, media are more expensive for physical than digital.  Put that into perspective MS is charging 15 cents per gigabyte used when using there Azure product.  They must be getting the bandwidth cheaper then that but lets say they are providing it at cost so, that's only $1.20 to transport that game. A $1.20 would only get me 1/3 of the way to work with current gas prices.)

With there own tech they also save money from licensing fees.  I'm sure that it wouldn't be cheaper then Optical media in raw cost, the advantages could outweigh that difference.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Enner on March 09, 2012, 09:49:16 PM
I wonder if Microsoft is thinking about having consumers come in stores with USB memory drives or flash memory cards to grab the game data and then install it to the Durango hard drive. That sounds like too much of a hassle compared to buying a plastic box with a plastic disc in it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on March 09, 2012, 09:57:41 PM
I wonder if Microsoft is thinking about having consumers come in stores with USB memory drives or flash memory cards to grab the game data and then install it to the Durango hard drive. That sounds like too much of a hassle compared to buying a plastic box with a plastic disc in it.
With the internet that technique is dead.  It would be a cart.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 10, 2012, 01:20:58 AM
Though if they want to do it, fine.  I wouldn't mind MS shooting themselves in the foot.

You know, we've all gotten so used to the idea of Nintendo always doing something each and every generation which fucks things up for them, whether that be sticking with cartridges on the N64, or forsaking online with the GC, and so on. But now with the Wii U its really hard to pinpoint anything Nintendo is doing wrong. So could it be that Nintendo has shaped up and gotten their act together, and passed the blunder torch on to Microsoft? Is it now Microsoft's turn to fumble their way through a few generations of terrible design decisions with their consoles?

Making the console download only does have some appeal for developers/publishers, but a lot of consumers are against it, and retailers are definitely against it because they can't make any money if there are no tangible games for them to sell. Sure, they can sell the systems and the accessories, and some redeemable cards, but if they lose all the games of that system its a serious loss of revenue and I think retailers would revolt over that, and probably refuse to sell the Xbox420 hardware at all since they can't also sell the games with it.

Without retailer support, the system would end up like a Neo Geo or Atar Jaguar or something like that. It would be this weird console you read about in gaming magazines, but you never see it on store shelves, and none of your friends own it. The only way to get it would be to order it directly from Microsoft or the small number of retailers Microsoft manages to get on board.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on March 10, 2012, 01:54:08 AM
I would say the Wii's problem is it is massively underpowered. All consoles of the current Gen are under powered despite screaming they are HD consoles. Display technology had out ran all the consoles and Nintendo was hit worse. It was one thing to have a 5 year(At the time) old upscaled GPU to run the graphics, it is another to not give your console enough CPU power and RAM to the point it limited the non-graphical things that could be done. The architecture was sound, it was very efficient, but there wasn't any power behind it. While the backwards compatibility is nice, if this was the price to pay for it, it wasn't worth it. They skimmed too much, but Nintendo got lucky.

The other big mistake was not having motion plus from day one. They knew what the limitations without it, but again they cheap out again. Also online, because Nintendon't online.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 02:02:31 AM
I'm sure if Nintendo had known how much of a run away success the Wii was gonna be, they might have eaten the cost to include M+ from the start.

But I agree, the system was basically a re-release of the GC.

Wii U is righting the wrong. Durango will probably out perform it with raw numbers still... nothing that most people will notice graphically.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kairon on March 10, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2012, 07:07:55 PM
So can somebody give me a summary of what the Next Xbox is expected to be? I know there are little hard facts, but what are the more solid rumors?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2012, 09:28:40 PM
Code named Durango
no Disc Drive, uses cartridges of some sort (solid state media) and focusing more on Digital Download model.
more powerful than Wii U (obviously)
possibly releasing next year and could be revealed at E3 (or not, who knows)
Kinect 2.0 is everything Kinect 1.0 was supposed to be and then some.
tablet/touch-screened controller

and that's all I can remember off the top of my head right now, but I haven't been keeping up on it or really updating this thread like I should have been.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 13, 2012, 09:34:13 PM
Yes, but can it do HD graphics? I hear that's the big thing these days. :P
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2012, 10:11:58 PM
More powerful than Wii U? Tablet controller? Kinect Plus? This thing sounds expensive...
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kairon on March 13, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
No Disc Drive at all and moving back to cartridges of some sort sounds ridiculously risky. I think it's much more likely that if they do this, they'll have two SKUs: a cheaper, non optical drive SKU and more expensive SKU with an optical drive.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on March 13, 2012, 11:22:07 PM
The ball is really in Microsoft's court here. On the one hand, they've got a new Halo series brewing with a new dev team. Having the game on new hardware could give it a great edge. The team will probably want to differentiate themselves or evolve the series, but the new hardware would give it something that fans could say makes it "objectively" (yeah, I know) better. Then, they've gotta replace Gears. New IPs could easily give a console momentum.

On the other hand, they could play wait-and-see with Nintendo, and strike at a more opportune time. Why risk teasing a new console when you know Nintendo has to put on a show?

And Sony is Sony. Whatever.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on March 14, 2012, 12:17:33 AM
I think the bloom is off the rose when it comes to Halo. I think Microsoft will rely on their trusty moneyhats to get a key third party or two to give them some exclusive franchise.

On the other hand, Alan Wake took like five years and was a disappointment in many ways.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on March 14, 2012, 08:09:31 AM
Microsoft can certainly try but they're losing their most important advantage: launching first. Sony stupidly selling a $600 console didn't hurt either. The few exclusives MS scrored weren't major difference makers. Gears of War, for example, was awesome but rushing the 360 launch and Sony's inadequacies were what really put MS in a prime position.

On top of that, I'm sure Microsoft has tried to lock in more exclusives this entire generation but being able to release a game across 2 (soon to be 3 consoles) is probably driving the cost of exclusivity too high, even for Microsoft. Their best bet is to make their own exclusives. Personally, I rank them last in terms of 1st party titles. No one touches Nintendo and if I want a second console, Sony's 1st party games trump Microsoft's.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kairon on March 15, 2012, 11:46:25 AM
It's rumored that Obsidian's cancelled project was for 720 and was 7 months in development. If that's true, it heavily suggests a 2013 launch for MS, 1st half if the project was a quickie launch bit, 2nd half if it was a bigger project, which it most probably was.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
2013 Sounds about right. We haven't heard enough leaks about the console for it to be any sooner. I think they will try for first half of 2013 if they feel the pressure from the WiiU. I'm guessing the launch lineup of games will be weak, but it was weak for the first six months or so of the 360's life too.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on March 15, 2012, 02:49:51 PM
360 is doing well enough (which is actually an understatement) that Microsoft can definitely wait until Q4 to launch a successor. I doubt they wait any longer than that. Nintendo will likely be battling some shortages, probably nothing on the scale of the Wii but they'll have an entire year to get the ball rolling and work out issues. Microsoft shouldn't give Nintendo much more than a year head start.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2012, 03:25:52 PM
Looking back in restrospect, wasn't the first Xbox a mediocre console at best?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 15, 2012, 03:27:36 PM
Microsoft can certainly try but they're losing their most important advantage: launching first. Sony stupidly selling a $600 console didn't hurt either. The few exclusives MS scrored weren't major difference makers. Gears of War, for example, was awesome but rushing the 360 launch and Sony's inadequacies were what really put MS in a prime position.

On top of that, I'm sure Microsoft has tried to lock in more exclusives this entire generation but being able to release a game across 2 (soon to be 3 consoles) is probably driving the cost of exclusivity too high, even for Microsoft. Their best bet is to make their own exclusives. Personally, I rank them last in terms of 1st party titles. No one touches Nintendo and if I want a second console, Sony's 1st party games trump Microsoft's.

You also don't have to pay to play online, which was the single reason why I choose the PS3 over 360.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 15, 2012, 03:32:52 PM
Looking back in restrospect, wasn't the first Xbox a mediocre console at best?

Well in terms of sales, Microsoft lost over 5 billion with it only to outsell the Gamecube by about 2 million consoles.  So in terms of money spent, it was a disaster.

In terms of games though, it had the best version of most multiplatform games so it was worth owning for people who wanted the best version of third party games.  In terms of exclusives though, it had the worst selection of actual exclusive titles though.  Not that many worthwhile exclusives compared to the PS2 which had a lot of great third party exclusives and the Gamecube which had a lot of great Nintendo exclusives.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Shaymin on March 15, 2012, 07:01:36 PM
It's rumored that Obsidian's cancelled project was for 720 and was 7 months in development. If that's true, it heavily suggests a 2013 launch for MS

And that game would have so many glitches.

How many glitches?

ALL OF THE GLITCHES.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2012, 09:28:43 AM
MS says E3 2012 will be all about 360
http://www.gamespot.com/news/no-new-xbox-hardware-at-e3-microsoft-6366366
So Nintendo better shine really bright. They practically have the show to themselves... But you know Sony will announce something with some sot of "target" render that will never be achieved just to rain on Nintendo's parade.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 16, 2012, 04:27:14 PM

MS says E3 2012 will be all about 360
http://www.gamespot.com/news/no-new-xbox-hardware-at-e3-microsoft-6366366 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/no-new-xbox-hardware-at-e3-microsoft-6366366)
So Nintendo better shine really bright. They practically have the show to themselves... But you know Sony will announce something with some sot of "target" render that will never be achieved just to rain on Nintendo's parade.

I'd imagine Microsoft is expecting what most of us are, that third party games on the Wii U will graphically look just like their 360 counterparts or just slightly better and the change will be un-noticable to the average person.  So there's no point in them showing off how much better multi-platform games might look on the 720, when all the multi-platform games on the Wii U will look just like they look on their current 360 system.

The only games that will look better then current 360 games will be Nintendo's own Wii U games but as Microsoft learned last gen, the graphics aren't what make million of people excited about Nintendo's games.  Microsoft showed games that were graphically better then anything on the Wii had at E3 2006, but the Wii still dominated because of Nintendo's own games they showed.

Basically Microsofts logic is, if Nintendo has some great games ready to show on the Wii U, nothing they can show from their new system will effect the news they create.  So their's no point in wasting time that could be focused on making the 360 lineup look stronger to try and counter something they have no way of actually countering.  Now if Sony was to announce they'll be revealing the PS4 at E3, I can guarantee you Microsoft would change their decision in a second and focus everything on the 720 even if it's over a year away.  Since unlike Nintendo who relies on their own software, Sony release heavily on the same third parties Microsoft does and so showing FMV bullshots for 720 games would actually take away a lot of attention the PS4 might have had.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2012, 04:45:21 PM
MS says E3 2012 will be all about 360

I wonder if they will announce a price drop. One would think they should, especially with the Wii U coming out this year. The non-gimped Xbox model is still $299.99 which is just ridiculous at this point in time, especially in light of the PS3 dropping to $249.99. The 360 is still the most expensive console out there, even though its been on the market the longest. Go figure.
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Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2012, 05:01:32 PM
True. And on a semi-related note, I'm personally amazed that the Wii still costs what, like $150 despite the fact that it costs Nintendo a banana and a handful of sand to manufacture those things. In any case, I expect a price drop for everything this year but Microsoft and Sony probably won't drop the price until close to when Wii U launches.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on March 16, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
True. And on a semi-related note, I'm personally amazed that the Wii still costs what, like $150 despite the fact that it costs Nintendo a banana and a handful of sand to manufacture those things.

It's because even though Wii sales are down from what they used to, they're still higher then what any other Nintendo system was selling at this point in their lives.  Hell, the Wii sold over 200k last month and it's in its 6th year with a successor coming in the future.  The Gamecube and N64 were both selling less then 100k per month in only their 5th year and they were less then $100 at that time as well.

Just goes to show just how much stronger Nintendo has made themselves this last gen thanks to the DS and Wii.
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Post by: Kairon on March 16, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Yeah, the Wii's not doing so bad. I don't think it'll keep sales afloat as long as the PS2 did, but it's still Nintendo's best selling home console... ever.

I also personally think that both Nintendo's decision to continue doing pack-ins, basically ensuring each console sale is a first-party software sale as well, is keeping the price up. After all, the special edition Blue consoles last fall had no game and were at $99.

As for the $360, it's actually only now coming into its own, been topping monthly npd hardware sales, perhaps helped by momentum driven by kinect. I can see why MS wouldn't want to talk about the 720 at this year's E3 if true, it would dampen current profitable sales, and it isn't strictly necessary to do even if they want to launch the 720 in 2013. Let's not forget, this is the first time ever MS is starting to make some progress at earning back some of that money ($10 billion?) they poured into their XBox gaming division. I don't think I can blame them for wanting to keep enjoying that profitability before they commit once again to a major console investment.

With a 2013 launch, and Wii U defining features known in 2011, my wonder is how much MS copies, or even improves, Nintendo's feature set with the 720. On the one hand, this would help Nintendo because shared features might validate Nintendo and help porting between the two platforms. On the other hand, if third parties and third party gamers choose to treat their console support options as an "either/or" instead of an "and" choice, the 720 might have a clear advantage over Nintendo.
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Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2012, 07:53:36 PM
True. And on a semi-related note, I'm personally amazed that the Wii still costs what, like $150 despite the fact that it costs Nintendo a banana and a handful of sand to manufacture those things.

*lengthy explanation*
(http://i.imgur.com/yc61c.png)
You responded seriously to a post claiming that Nintendo currently manufactures the Wii at a cost of a single banana and a handful of sand. Bravo, Luigi Dude. Bravo.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on March 16, 2012, 08:16:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yc61c.png)
You responded seriously to a post claiming that Nintendo currently manufactures the Wii at a cost of a single banana and a handful of sand. Bravo, Luigi Dude. Bravo.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/luigidude/nintendo_fan.jpg)
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Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2012, 08:18:25 PM
Well played, sir.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2012, 08:25:54 PM
Isn't that Kytim?
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Post by: oohhboy on March 16, 2012, 08:26:00 PM
He's looking surprisingly pimp for a guy who is twice the man I am.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2012, 10:23:29 PM
I just wanna remind you guys that I had it written on a napkin (by the same person that fed me RE6 on Wii U) that X720 aka "Durango" isn't coming till 2014, and PS3 is supposed to be 2013.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721397;topicseen#msg721397
so take that how you will, but I would suggest a spoonful of sugar salt.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2012, 11:08:37 PM
I just wanna remind you guys that I had it written on a napkin (by the same person that fed me RE6 on Wii U) that X720 aka "Durango" isn't coming till 2014, and PS3 is supposed to be 2013.

so take that how you will, but I would suggest a spoonful of sugar salt.

That would be the opposite of what I think all of us had been assuming. If that's really the case, then maybe the real danger to Nintendo is Sony unveiling the PS4 at this year's E3 and raining on their parade.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 17, 2012, 12:07:54 AM
Isn't that Kytim?

I knew that I should not have posted my picture on the internet.
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Post by: Kairon on March 17, 2012, 01:45:40 AM
I just wanna remind you guys that I had it written on a napkin (by the same person that fed me RE6 on Wii U) that X720 aka "Durango" isn't coming till 2014, and PS3 is supposed to be 2013.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721397;topicseen#msg721397
so take that how you will, but I would suggest a spoonful of sugar salt.

Wow, that's so opposite of what seems to me to be the prevailing opinion right now!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 17, 2012, 09:23:03 AM
It's the opposite of what I had thought too, that's why I almost didn't post it.

there might be something more to it, but we'll have to wait and see ;)
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Post by: Ceric on March 17, 2012, 11:48:01 AM
I think we won't see the NexBox but, I do think we will see a New 360 that is missing the Optical drive and is download only.  It will come with Kinect and a few Kinect games pre-loaded.  Also Netflix, Hulu Plus, etc will also be preloaded.  It may even have provisions to add your own external drive.  Maybe even Blu-Ray.  I also see the introduction of a few more Media Center items integrated in.  Maybe to the point of DVR Functionality.
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Post by: Adrock on March 17, 2012, 12:02:07 PM
It takes an insane amount of hubris to launch (presumably) 2 years after the current market leader and a whole year after another competitor who previously launched a year after but still made a pretty valiant effort catching up in sales. There aren't a lot of advantages to launching last. All 3 consoles are going to share 3rd party support with 1st party titles making up the vast majority of exclusives.

I suppose Microsoft could launch in say March but that means they still launch last and after the holiday season when both Nintendo and Sony didn't. I'm not sure I believe it... but I choose to believe RE6 on Wii U part because that's just awesome.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 17, 2012, 01:36:46 PM
The 360 is still selling very well at its current price, so Microsoft doesn't have much reason to drop it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 17, 2012, 04:17:52 PM
There aren't a lot of advantages to launching last.

There's only one advantage I can think of, and that would be that by being last you get to make use of the latest tech which means you can have the most powerful hardware. But history has shown this one advantage usually doesn't offset the disadvantage of being last.

In many ways you could compare the NeXbox420 to the Nintendo64. Nintendo was the last to enter the 32-bit era, and actually they didn't even enter it at all, because they leapfrogged it with a 64-bit system. The Nintendo64 was the most powerful system of its day, but it never came close to catching up with the PS1 (although it did beat the Saturn at least).

From the rumors we are hearing, the 420 may be cartridge based, which is something we haven't seen in any console since the N64. So maybe the 420 will leapfrog the WiiU and PS4 and be twice as powerful as either of them, just like how the N64 was twice as powerful as its peers, and also cartridge based. Does this mean 420 carts will be priced $79.99 and that Microsoft will lose much of its 3rd party support like Nintendo did? That remains to be seen, but history may well be about to repeat itself.
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Post by: Adrock on March 17, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
There's only one advantage I can think of, and that would be that by being last you get to make use of the latest tech which means you can have the most powerful hardware. But history has shown this one advantage usually doesn't offset the disadvantage of being last.
Especially since, as previously stated, 3rd party titles will mostly be multiplatform so even with more powerful hardware, I'm not convinced that there will be many 3rd party developers tapping into that extra power.
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Post by: Kairon on March 17, 2012, 05:42:43 PM
Of course, if Nintendo is a first-mover, there may be a wider gulf of tech you can take advantage of if you launch after them. Don't get me wrong Nintendo makes good tech, but I don't think they're likely to push the envelope so bleeding hard as MS pushed it with the 360. If there's one company I'd like to launch after on a purely technological arms race level, it'd be today's Nintendo because then I can copy their new features and they're not as likely to pace so far ahead in terms of pure brute force.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2012, 10:14:20 PM
Xbox 720 = 4-6core CPU, Dual GPU, Kinect Standard and Always On Connection Required?
I swear we've heard this one before....
http://ht.ly/a1eSh (http://ht.ly/a1eSh) <---VG24/7

Quote
VG247 has learned that Microsoft has now detailed Xbox 720 to certain partners and has internally confirmed the machine for a Christmas 2013 release.

The next generation Xbox will have a Blu-ray drive, contrary to a recent report.

Multiple sources have confirmed this morning that the machine will have two GPUs. One said: “It’s like two PCs taped together.”

We’re waiting for final confirmation of specs, but the graphics cards are thought to be equivalent to AMD’s 7000 series GPUs, but “not CrossFire or SLI”. The GPUs aren’t structured as they are in a normal dual PC set-up, in which the two chips take it in turns to draw lines of the same object: Xbox 720′s graphics units will be able to work independently, drawing separate items simultaneously.
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There will be “four or six” cores to the Xbox 720 CPU, one of which will be reserved for Kinect and one for the OS.

Xbox 720 will require an always-on internet connection as an anti-piracy measure.


We’ve also been told that the next generation of Kinect will be built into the device as standard.


$599 US Dolla!?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 10:19:27 PM
Having a Blu-ray Disc Drive is bigger news than Kinect IMO.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 02, 2012, 10:25:39 PM
I refuse to believe that they're stupid enough to require always-on internet until and unless they come out and announce it themselves. That might reduce piracy, but not nearly as much as it would reduce sales.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 10:39:39 PM
I refuse to believe that they're stupid enough to require always-on internet until and unless they come out and announce it themselves. That might reduce piracy, but not nearly as much as it would reduce sales.

Well, Activision Blizzard is doing that for games like Diablo III, so Microsoft wouldn't be the first to do it. Still a stupid idea for any company though.
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Post by: Stogi on April 02, 2012, 10:44:59 PM
We're talking about Microsoft right? The only company to not have a wireless card come standard? Also, the company that asked you to pay $100 if you wanted to buy one.

They're also the company with a giant 'Ghostbusters' brick attached to their console, to trap the ghosts of all RROD machines just before they ascend to the heavens.

We're talking about that Microsoft right?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 02, 2012, 11:39:08 PM
I refuse to believe that they're stupid enough to require always-on internet until and unless they come out and announce it themselves. That might reduce piracy, but not nearly as much as it would reduce sales.

Well, Activision Blizzard is doing that for games like Diablo III, so Microsoft wouldn't be the first to do it. Still a stupid idea for any company though.

It's somewhat common on PC, but to do it on a console, and to require it for everything, can't not backfire, especially when your competition doesn't do that.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2012, 11:49:18 PM
yeah, it's one thing to do it on a PC where 90% of games probably downloaded the game in the first place, meaning they have an online connection to their PC. Vs a home console that is at best wired in 10% of homes and maybe connected wirelessly in another 35-40% of them.

Wireless modems are becoming very common, but just like HDMI cables for your Bluray playing HD gaming machine connected to that 55" LED, hardly anyone that has the capability is aware of how to use it correctly. (I have a friend that has his PS3 connected to his 55" LED with composite cables.... not even component, but the composite cables the PS3 came with).

His Wii wouldn't be online if I hadn't bought him a wireless modem and set it up for him... as a matter of fact, he probably wouldn't have been online at all if I hadn't set up his computer for him either.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 03, 2012, 12:01:12 AM
It was bad enough that the Xbox forced you to pay in order to play online, but at least you had the option of playing your games offline. Now you can't even do that? Even if the Xbox 420 somehow ended up being the only console in existence I would still refuse to have anything to do with it if that is the requirement. I would just live off the thousands and thousands of retro games already in existence.
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Post by: Enner on April 03, 2012, 12:03:24 AM
Hmm, maybe Microsoft is settling for Xbox Live Gold subscriptions and marketplace purchases for the Xbox 3. As for the audience that don't hook up their Xbox to the internet, perhaps Microsoft expects to sell Xbox 360s and Kinects very far in to the future?

Requiring an internet connection will be a ballsy and divisive move for a home console. If one company is going for it, Microsoft has the highest chances of pulling it off.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 03, 2012, 01:10:51 PM
One thing to note about PC games like Diablo III is that it is game-by-game.  It isn't like EVERY game or program on a PC requires you to be online at all times.  Some do, some don't and if it bothers you you can just avoid the software that requires it and otherwise still enjoy your PC.  A console would affect everything.  If a PC required it for every program it probably wouldn't sell worth a ****.  It's not even about one's intentions to go online.  Everyone knows that internet connections can be finicky and conk out for seemingly no reason at random times.  So you lose all your progress because your ISP sucks?  Even the suckers that buy this will quickly turn on it once that happens a few times.

Plus let's not forget that Diablo III is not out yet.  We don't know if this will affect its sales or not or if the whole concept will go over like a lead balloon.  We're just assuming that because it's Blizzard it will be fine but we don't know yet.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 03, 2012, 01:50:01 PM
We don't know if this will affect its sales or not or if the whole concept will go over like a lead balloon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGdHRupe7Zc
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Post by: Ceric on April 03, 2012, 01:52:09 PM
Diablo III could require procuring a first born and giving them to Blizzard as payment and it would still sell decently.  The Diablo series, in General, Blizzard has had a real bad time with Pirating.  As far as DRM is going what they are doing really isn't that bad.  It stinks you can't play Offline.  I will admit that, but its better then half baked DRM solutions. 

I do wonder how long Internet can keep its current status and not become a service like Electricity and Phone.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 03, 2012, 08:15:23 PM
Diablo III could require procuring a first born and giving them to Blizzard as payment and it would still sell decently.  The Diablo series, in General, Blizzard has had a real bad time with Pirating.  As far as DRM is going what they are doing really isn't that bad.  It stinks you can't play Offline.  I will admit that, but its better then half baked DRM solutions. 

I do wonder how long Internet can keep its current status and not become a service like Electricity and Phone.


Internet access is already a service. You pay to acquire a modem / router that you use to connect to the Internet.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 03, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
I just wanna remind you guys that I had it written on a napkin (by the same person that fed me RE6 on Wii U) that X720 aka "Durango" isn't coming till 2014, and PS3 is supposed to be 2013.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721397;topicseen#msg721397 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721397;topicseen#msg721397)
so take that how you will, but I would suggest a spoonful of sugar salt.


So Microsoft is going to ride the 360 wave as long as they can? Good for them.


As for Sony, they should do a "wait and see" approach with the PS4, since they still haven't completely recovered financially from the PS3's disastrous launch (which was 6 years ago).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2012, 10:25:49 PM
I just wanna remind you guys that I had it written on a napkin (by the same person that fed me RE6 on Wii U) that X720 aka "Durango" isn't coming till 2014, and PS3 is supposed to be 2013.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721397;topicseen#msg721397 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721397;topicseen#msg721397)
so take that how you will, but I would suggest a spoonful of sugar salt.


So Microsoft is going to ride the 360 wave as long as they can? Good for them.


As for Sony, they should do a "wait and see" approach with the PS4, since they still haven't completely recovered financially from the PS3's disastrous launch (which was 6 years ago).

Sony seems to be confident that PS3 will ship by Xmas 2013 and ahead of Xbox720
http://ht.ly/a1pXW  <--VG24/7
and I've heard atleast one rumor (independent of the napkin) about why Xbox might not make 2013....

Maybe Sony heard the same thing....?
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 06, 2012, 04:18:42 PM
We're talking about Microsoft right? The only company to not have a wireless card come standard? Also, the company that asked you to pay $100 if you wanted to buy one.

They're also the company with a giant 'Ghostbusters' brick attached to their console, to trap the ghosts of all RROD machines just before they ascend to the heavens.

We're talking about that Microsoft right?
Remember that M$ rushed the 360 to market to be first for the new generation.  The sacrifices they made cost them a lot with the RROD and no wireless.   This time around, they probably will be last and RROD will probably not happen (at least not in the numbers we saw before the slim was released).
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 06, 2012, 04:22:05 PM
Plus let's not forget that Diablo III is not out yet.  We don't know if this will affect its sales or not or if the whole concept will go over like a lead balloon.  We're just assuming that because it's Blizzard it will be fine but we don't know yet.
It doesn't seem to have held back Starcraft II sales and that also requires an always-on internet connection.
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Post by: Ceric on April 06, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
Diablo III could require procuring a first born and giving them to Blizzard as payment and it would still sell decently.  The Diablo series, in General, Blizzard has had a real bad time with Pirating.  As far as DRM is going what they are doing really isn't that bad.  It stinks you can't play Offline.  I will admit that, but its better then half baked DRM solutions. 

I do wonder how long Internet can keep its current status and not become a service like Electricity and Phone.


Internet access is already a service. You pay to acquire a modem / router that you use to connect to the Internet.
Bolded for emphasis.  Internet is not treated like Electricity and Phones which is regulated and governmentally funded for the benefit of the citizenship.
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Post by: SixthAngel on April 06, 2012, 05:06:39 PM
We shouldn't be comparing pc game sales to console game sales when it comes to always on internet.  Everyone's pc is already connected to the internet and requires no extra work or wires for the game.  It is rare to find a pc not connected to the internet 99% of the time.  Not only that but most of pc sales seem to come from DD right now.

Consoles on the other hand are often times not connected to the internet at all.  73% of 360 users connected to the internet 76% of ps3s and 54% of Wiis.  (source (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/13/study-ps3-has-highest-percentage-of-online-systems-in-u-s/)) This is just connected to the internet at some point, not continually connected or actually pay for xbox live, a number that would be much lower.

That is a sizable amount of the current market who would not be buying your always connected console.  In the future the percent will probably go up but it is going to be sizable portion of the current audience that the next box would get rid of in an attempt to double down and wring more money from a smaller user base by destroying their ability to buy used.
It would basically be the opposite of Nintendo's strategy.  Focus on smaller dedicated market and get them to spend more money.
 
They're also the company with a giant 'Ghostbusters' brick attached to their console, to trap the ghosts of all RROD machines just before they ascend to the heavens.
 

Love the description.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 06, 2012, 05:14:25 PM
Plus let's not forget that Diablo III is not out yet.  We don't know if this will affect its sales or not or if the whole concept will go over like a lead balloon.  We're just assuming that because it's Blizzard it will be fine but we don't know yet.
It doesn't seem to have held back Starcraft II sales and that also requires an always-on internet connection.

The difference is that Diablo is single-player only, there is not multiplayer in it. So the constant Internet connection is ridiculous.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 06, 2012, 06:39:54 PM
Plus let's not forget that Diablo III is not out yet.  We don't know if this will affect its sales or not or if the whole concept will go over like a lead balloon.  We're just assuming that because it's Blizzard it will be fine but we don't know yet.
It doesn't seem to have held back Starcraft II sales and that also requires an always-on internet connection.

The difference is that Diablo is single-player only, there is not multiplayer in it. So the constant Internet connection is ridiculous.

What are you talking about? Of course Diablo III has multiplayer; they cut the competitive multiplayer, but it still does co-op, which is a pretty big emphasis of it. It's still stupid to require always-on Internet even when playing single player, but Diablo III is no worse than any other game doing it.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 07, 2012, 12:48:02 AM
So I guess the rumore is the next Xbox will have 16 cored. I'm guessing 4 cores with 4 threads each in reality. Maybe next gen devs will actually get better at mult-ithreaded games.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
16Core Xbox720 = $999 US DOLLARS (MS's NeoGeo)

4 core with 4 threads seems way more believable and achievable at a price we won't all laugh at.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2012, 12:15:22 PM
I looked at what a 16 core CPU is going for on Amazon and found this http://www.amazon.com/Amd-Opteron-sixteen-core-Model-6272/dp/B00671DLCU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1333815085&sr=8-4

$539.99, but the price would probably drop a lot between now and 1-2 years from now when the 420 launches. Plus Microsoft wouldn't have to pay the middle man like consumers such as us have to, and they could buy it in bulk also. Maybe with all things considered they might be able to get the chip for $100 a unit or something by then? Then if the rest of the console is made up of a total of $200 worth of stuff then a $300 price tag might be do able. They would probably sell it at a loss anyway, so...

But I'm just talking out of my ass. I really have no knowledge of how this is going to go down.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 12:47:51 PM
$100 on just the CPU and you expect the rest of the console to only cost $200 more?

even if we cut out the middle man and do a customization of the chip down to just what is needed for MS's needs and factor in mass production for a bulk order, that chip would still likely cost them $300+.

Then take the other rumor of a GPU in the HD7000 class which will run you atleast $200 (we'ere pulling off the shelf price here) shrunken down to a customized chip...... maybe $100 a chip

then we take the other rumor of Dual GPU's... $200 for both

You are not gonna get 16cores and dual GPU's and then skimp on RAM, so 8GB ram minimum...
system RAM ($75?), audio, Bluray drive($50?), HDD($100?), controller($15?),

edit: I forgot to add in Kinect 2.0
better cameras and 2-4 person tracking down to the fingertips. ($200?)

and that is just taking a very broad overview of what might need to be considered.
we are talking a really, really expensive console here.

But if they are willing to eat the cost of all that, I might be willing to buy it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
BnM, the one factor you are forgetting is this is going to launch 1-2 years from now. We can't go by current prices for all these components. By the time the system launches the cost of all these components will have dropped substantially. 16 core processors are cutting edge expensive stuff right now because they are new, but a year or two from now the market will have 32 core or maybe even 64 core processors and 16 core processors might be at where 8 or 4 core processors are today.

A search for an 8 core processor on Amazon shows one at $189.99. 1-2 years from now this is probably where the 16 core cpus will be, and then factor in the customization, cutting out of the middle man, and bulk purchasing of the units, and MS should be able to cut that in half. So $100 or less per unit on a 16 core processor is I think doable, but the thing you have to keep in mind is this has to be 1-2 years into the future. It can't be pulled off right now at current market prices obviously.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 01:35:41 PM
ok
$100 for the cpu,
$100 for the gpu,
$100 for the HDD & BRD
$100 for Kinect 2.0
$100 for RAM
$99 for misc other stuff
--------------------------------
$599 US DOLLARS

oh, plus packaging, RRoD Ins. ;) , marketing, retailer cut, shipping & R&D
...where is the profit margin on this product?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2012, 01:45:40 PM
Wasn't there talk about the X420 being digital download only? I don't know if that's true or not, but that would knock off the BRD and its associated cost. Kinect 2.0 could be sold separately from the system just like Kinect 1 was. They could also do like the Wii U is doing and rip out the HDD in favor for some onboard flash and/or an SD card slot. By the time the thing launches they should be able to offer 32gb or 64gb of on board flash for a minimal cost.

Realistically, I think MS will repeat what they've done with the 360 and offer multiple SKUs. The basic low end 420 Arcade unit would come without Kinect 2.0, BRD, or HDD, but you can be able to purchase all of those as separate add ons if you desire. The low end Arcade SKU might run $299 or so. Then there would be the 420 Elite model which has all of that stuff integrated by default and that might run $499 or something. There could also be an intermediate model which offers some but not all of those things.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on April 07, 2012, 02:45:01 PM
Kinect 2.0 will be with every version.  It be like a WiiU sold without the uMote.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 03:43:54 PM
Wasn't there talk about the X420 being digital download only? I don't know if that's true or not, but that would knock off the BRD and its associated cost. Kinect 2.0 could be sold separately from the system just like Kinect 1 was. They could also do like the Wii U is doing and rip out the HDD in favor for some onboard flash and/or an SD card slot. By the time the thing launches they should be able to offer 32gb or 64gb of on board flash for a minimal cost.

Realistically, I think MS will repeat what they've done with the 360 and offer multiple SKUs. The basic low end 420 Arcade unit would come without Kinect 2.0, BRD, or HDD, but you can be able to purchase all of those as separate add ons if you desire. The low end Arcade SKU might run $299 or so. Then there would be the 420 Elite model which has all of that stuff integrated by default and that might run $499 or something. There could also be an intermediate model which offers some but not all of those things.

Tell me why in the world would they sell a disc dive-less version and not include a massive HDD?

And all the rumors say that Kinect 2.0 is integral to the design and will be included out of the box.
So if you are gonna have a dream scenarios, then they should both have Kinect in the box and either a BRD and/or HDD.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 07, 2012, 05:26:26 PM
It doesn't matter if it is a really expensive system.  They will just mark it up and recover a bit of the loss in Australia.  Everywhere else will get it for a reasonable price.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2012, 08:21:07 PM
Tell me why in the world would they sell a disc dive-less version and not include a massive HDD?

As I said, it would include on board flash storage. And if that's not enough (which for non-casuals it most certainly isn't), then the option exists to buy a separate (probably proprietary) HDD addon at additional cost. In the end consumers are still paying a huge amount on the console, but by breaking it up and getting people to pay for things in installments MS would be able to fool people into thing the TCO (total cost of ownership) of the 420 is less than it really is.

And its no different that what Nintendo is doing with the HDD less Wii U, except Microsoft might actually offer more than the mere pittance of 8gb that Nintendo is offering. Let's say its 32gb or maybe 64gb of onboard flash. 2 years from now the price of that should be reasonable and therefore do able.

Let's not forget the original low end 360 SKU was HDD less, and required 256mb Memory cards, which were useless for anything except save information. Now their low end 360 offers 4gb onboard flash, which is still far from sufficient for any serious gamer, but again that's what the add on proprietary HDD is for.

And all the rumors say that Kinect 2.0 is integral to the design and will be included out of the box.
So if you are gonna have a dream scenarios, then they should both have Kinect in the box and either a BRD and/or HDD.

The thing about Kinect is its for casuals and it also requires a significant amount of living room space to set it up. Most hardcore gamers have zero interest in it. They like having their xboxes to play Halo or COD. Although, I suppose if and when Kinect compatible versions hit the market they may start caring about it. But right now Kinect seems to appeal mostly to kids and soccer moms, and not the hardcore crowd.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 09:14:41 PM
A version with no HDD and BRD drive but is expected to sell full size retail games digitally to who?

1 or 2 games and your memory is full? that wouldn't make sense, unless MS is assuming that you will only stick XBLA games and not use the other many set-top box like features that they have been moving towards all these years.

the whole purpose of a version with no HDD would be to sell you everything digitally, including full size retail games. If you have to go out and buy expensive memory in order to enjoy that one launch game you really wanted to play.... well then look at how the PSVita is doing right now. Those Xbox consoles will sit on that shelf until turn into the very dust that they will be collecting.

Now if you are referring to the rumors of a driveless Xbox 360 settop box with 64GB built in for a more casual crowd where you can still enjoy 5+ full size retail games and some smaller digital content without having to worry about space while also being able to have enough space left over for some non gaming things, like recording a few HD tvshows, then that is not what we were discussing.


and as far as Kinect is concerned, like it or not, it is a large part of the reason that the X360 is seeing continued surge in sales that it is seeing right now. Kinect may not get the support it deserves, but neither did the Wii. Kinect didn't work as well as it should have and was advertised to, but (without M+) neither did the Wii. So strong support for the device right out of the gate, especially for it's non-(hardcore)-gaming features, where is will shine, i say good move on MS's part.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on April 08, 2012, 12:24:32 AM
It doesn't matter if it is a really expensive system.  They will just mark it up and recover a bit of the loss in Australia.  Everywhere else will get it for a reasonable price.

You can't run an entire slave mining operation on one Australian.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 08, 2012, 01:39:43 AM
1 or 2 games and your memory is full?

Depends on how much onboard flash it would have. Personally, I think Nintendo is making a mistake giving the Wii U only 8gb of storage. Don't you agree with that assessment? 8gb on the X420 would also be too little, but Microsoft could opt for double or quadruple or even more that amount, which in 1-2 years should be much cheaper to pull off since flash memory seems to double every year.

8-16gb of storage would only be enough for a few games and that's it, but what if we are talking 32gb or 64gb of storage? Then it becomes a little more reasonable. I know that's expensive right now, but in 2014 it shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 08, 2012, 03:39:46 AM
It doesn't matter if it is a really expensive system.  They will just mark it up and recover a bit of the loss in Australia.  Everywhere else will get it for a reasonable price.

You can't run an entire slave mining operation on one Australian.

I think you underestimate the bureaucrats working at Microsoft.

1 or 2 games and your memory is full?

Depends on how much onboard flash it would have. Personally, I think Nintendo is making a mistake giving the Wii U only 8gb of storage. Don't you agree with that assessment? 8gb on the X420 would also be too little, but Microsoft could opt for double or quadruple or even more that amount, which in 1-2 years should be much cheaper to pull off since flash memory seems to double every year.

8-16gb of storage would only be enough for a few games and that's it, but what if we are talking 32gb or 64gb of storage? Then it becomes a little more reasonable. I know that's expensive right now, but in 2014 it shouldn't be.

It depends on what the space is going to be used for. 64 GB is in no way reasonable for a download-only machine, especially with Sony and Nintendo using discs that can hold up to 50 GB.

In Nintendo's case, it remains to be seen whether or not 8 GB will be enough for the average user. If they intend to sell GameCube games as downloads, that could get eaten up pretty quick. Though, if the current state of the Wii and 3DS Virtual Consoles is any indicator, it'd be a while before there were enough of them released for that to be a problem.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2012, 03:42:38 AM
Wii U discs will be up to 25GB, not 50.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
no one ever said Wii U disc could't be dual layered or that the drive couldn't read dual layered disc, so no need to keep repeating that so matter of factly.

all that was ever said on the issue was "Katsuya Eguchi, confirmed that the system's proprietary disc format will hold 25 Gigabytes of data."

not that "it can only hold up to 25GB and dual layer is not possible".
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 10:48:57 AM
1 or 2 games and your memory is full?

Depends on how much onboard flash it would have. Personally, I think Nintendo is making a mistake giving the Wii U only 8gb of storage. Don't you agree with that assessment? 8gb on the X420 would also be too little, but Microsoft could opt for double or quadruple or even more that amount, which in 1-2 years should be much cheaper to pull off since flash memory seems to double every year.

8-16gb of storage would only be enough for a few games and that's it, but what if we are talking 32gb or 64gb of storage? Then it becomes a little more reasonable. I know that's expensive right now, but in 2014 it shouldn't be.

It depends on what the space is going to be used for. 64 GB is in no way reasonable for a download-only machine, especially with Sony and Nintendo using discs that can hold up to 50 GB.

In Nintendo's case, it remains to be seen whether or not 8 GB will be enough for the average user. If they intend to sell GameCube games as downloads, that could get eaten up pretty quick. Though, if the current state of the Wii and 3DS Virtual Consoles is any indicator, it'd be a while before there were enough of them released for that to be a problem.

I still don't think there will only be 8GB of storage especially with the big eShop changes and online push. and the fact that DQX required 16GB for the Wii version and it should be a launch game on Wii U too.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 08, 2012, 12:59:07 PM
It doesn't matter if the Wii U can handle dual layer discs or not, because 25gb discs should be far more than adequate. As it is, its extremely rare to ever see a Wii or 360 game require more than one DVD, so the 9.7gb capacity of a DVD seems to be sufficient for about 90% of games. And a game being so large it can't fit on a single layer BRD is unheard of. Maybe if someone were trying to pull off a compilation of multiple games on a single disc then a dual layer BRD might be required, but other than that I don't see it ever happening.

But my point is that a download only xbox with 64gb on board flash wouldn't be as bad as it might seem. Dual layer BRDs might be able to hold 50gb, but just because they can hold that much doesn't mean they do. If anyone can point out any single game which requires 50gb of space then please point out. Even if such a game does exist I'm sure its an extremely rare exception with the majority of modern games being in the range of probably about 2-10gb. If most modern retail games are in the 2-10gb range then a 64gb on board flash should be able to hold a good number of them at any time. When the drive gets to be full and you need room you can just uninstall the ones you aren't playing.

I'm not saying that's an ideal setup, but again this is the low end SKU and if you don't like dealing with that then you have to bust out your wallet and pay for the HDD add on.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2012, 01:06:20 PM
If anyone can point out any single game which requires 50gb of space then please point out. Even if such a game does exist I'm sure its an extremely rare exception with the majority of modern games being in the range of probably about 2-10gb.

Kojima claimed MGS4 used up the full 50GB of space. Even if that is true, I have no doubt it's because they chose to do so much uncompressed video/audio and having data written multiple times on the disc to decrease loading times.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on April 08, 2012, 01:49:17 PM
If most modern retail games are in the 2-10gb range then a 64gb on board flash should be able to hold a good number of them at any time. When the drive gets to be full and you need room you can just uninstall the ones you aren't playing.

This seems like the Wii situation but far worse because it isn't just the vc that is in the refrigerator.  Also, with  multiplat games on 25gb discs developers won't want to compress at all and there is no reason they can't make the dd games bigger as well unless ms forces size limits.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 06:24:30 PM
Chozo, you're talking about current gen games, we are talking about next gen systems and next gen games. PS3 games are using 10-20GB due to no compression. PS4 games @ full 1080p 7.1 surround and whatever other space hogging effects of next gen will likely use more than that on the regular.

and on a realistic note, a download only system for next gen games with the current problem of data caps would be kinda stupid. A download system only for current gen HD games would be kinda stupid too because of the same problems. Although I could see the rumored Xbox360mini XBLA settop box rumor coming true at some point.

Oh, and it does matter if Wii U can handle dual layer or not.
Bill Gates once said 640kb is all we should ever need....
Last thing we need is something so trivial as dual layer being the reason that some AAAA Blockbuster games skip the Wii U. The hardware is there and it can easily read a double layer, so they might as well not go through the trouble of purposely kneecapping it to not do it.

and I would love some of those compilations that us Nintendo only gamers missed out on this gen, such as maybe a ME Trilogy all on one (dual layered if necessary) disc, or Assassins Creed or Metal Gear HDmakes, and many other series that we've missed out on.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 08, 2012, 06:36:11 PM
I'm sure the Wii U will support dual layer discs, and even if it doesn't at first all it would take would be a firmware upgrade to make it happen somewhere down the road. But then again, this is Nintendo we're talking about here. It also would have been a trivial thing to allow DVD playback on the Wii, and that never happened... so who knows?

As for the xbox having only onboard flash, I keep saying that would be the low end "arcade" SKU. Its not the default model. Its just some cheap gimped version which any serious gamer would have to buy a HDD add on for. The point of it is just to sucker people into thinking they are saving money, but then after they get it they realize they need to spend another $100+ on the proprietary HDD add on, so in the end Microsoft gets the same amount of money out of people, but just in installments instead of all at once.

Why is there any reason to doubt it? Microsoft is already doing this right now with the 4gb Arcade 360. Its not like I'm speculating on something which is completely unprecedented. They've already done it and are doing it as we speak, so why wouldn't they do it again?

Microsoft seems to love having a premium and low end version of their products. They've been doing this for years not just with their Xbox line, but also their other products like Windows. They sell a higher cost "professional" version of Windows, and also a cheaper low end "Home edition" version. So this is something they seem to love doing and there's no reason to doubt they will do it again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions

Actually, its worse than I thought. The lowest end one is "Starter" and there's a bunch more until you get up to the "Ultimate" edition.

But anyway, my point is this is their modus operandi, so not only should we not doubt they will do this with the next Xbox, we should expect it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 06:47:11 PM
Well, (i think) normal DVD players use CLV to my understanding and Wii uses CAV.
To constantly switch from CAV to CLV, just for standard movie playback, would strain the motor and burn out the disc drive quicker.

I think this may be (a part of) the same reason why we won't see standard Bluray playback on Wii U and why why it probably won't ever be officially offered through the eShop. I'm sure Nintendo does not want to cover warranty on burnt drives due to movie playback.

Although if they do have that issue worked out, then I would love for them to give us the option to buy the Bluray license in the eShop, even though I wouldn't personally ever buy it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ymeegod on April 08, 2012, 07:57:20 PM
Most players nowadays (for the last 8 or so years) are Cav.  The only thing nintendo does differently is how it's read.  Standard DVD players read from the inside/out (meaing it starts with the inner rings) and since the GC launch, nintendo's been going outside/in.  Since the dvd's are spinning at the same speed nintendo's able to get more information since the outter rings hold more. 

Just looked it up and both MS systems were CAV drives and sony's are all still CLV's (including the PS3), which would explain why the PS3 loads are utter crap 80% of the time.

 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
Out of curiosity, what is the Xbox360 disc drive failure rate?

and what you're saying is that for Nintendo switch to DVD playback they would need to use a drive that would start the laser on the inner ring instead of the outer (& be able to switch back for games)... doesn't seem too bad. Not that I would watch movies on my Wii anyway, but I imagine it would be really convenient for about 90% of people to just have the Wii U a DVD player too.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 08, 2012, 11:24:31 PM

It depends on what the space is going to be used for. 64 GB is in no way reasonable for a download-only machine, especially with Sony and Nintendo using discs that can hold up to 50 GB.


It all depends on how big the file sizes are. Most smartphones, tablets, and the iPod Touch have small amounts of flash storage (up to 64 GB in most cases). For those devices, it's fine since the file sizes are extremely small.


I haven't heard of any developers complaining about the storage capacity of an iPhone or iPad. And those devices don't have a file size limit.


If Wii U's eShop games have small file sizes, then 64 GB is more than enough. I have an 8 GB card in my Wii and 3DS, and I still have plenty of "blocks" left (over 54,000 blocks to be precise).
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Post by: nickmitch on April 09, 2012, 08:00:53 PM
Actually, the iOS file size limit is 2GB. 50MB for over the air files though.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 09, 2012, 08:18:41 PM
Actually, the iOS file size limit is 2GB. 50MB for over the air files though.


Even so, I haven't heard any developers complaining to Apple about their size limits for iOS devices. And Apple doesn't even allow for expandable memory via SD cards!
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Post by: nickmitch on April 09, 2012, 10:17:53 PM
But Wii Ware's was like 40MB, or some ****. A lot of devs had trouble operating with that restriction, like Team Meat for example. And 2GB is kind of a lot for iOS apps.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 09, 2012, 10:33:55 PM
MS will follow Sony's lead (just as Nintendo has already announced they are set up to do) and offer full size retail games for digital consumption.

Those games are gonna span from 6-8GB all the way up to 25GB+ at some point. If we are talking a download only Next Gen 1080p HD console (which was rumored to be very set-top box/DVR like), 64GB is not gonna be enough, but it's far better than 32GB standard..
I think there are current HD Demo's that take up 2-4GB in space already being offered.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kytim89 on April 10, 2012, 12:37:41 AM
MS will follow Sony's lead (just as Nintendo has already announced they are set up to do) and offer full size retail games for digital consumption.

Those games are gonna span from 6-8GB all the way up to 25GB+ at some point. If we are talking a download only Next Gen 1080p HD console (which was rumored to be very set-top box/DVR like), 64GB is not gonna be enough, but it's far better than 32GB standard..
I think there are current HD Demo's that take up 2-4GB in space already being offered.

Wouldn't it take days, or even weeks, to download games of that size?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2012, 12:40:25 AM
maybe, but that's why a download only console for a next gen system doesn't really make sense, especially with data caps and shitty internet in too many places around the world.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 10, 2012, 12:43:18 AM
*raises hand* I'm one of them. I always hate downloading any sort of video game from the PSN store. 75kb/s isn't exactly the fastest in the world.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 10, 2012, 06:12:54 PM
I don't think the next gen is the right time for a download only console. Maybe in the handheld space, but certainly not home consoles. In fact, I don't think it will happen any time soon at all. By the time the gen after this next one comes, we'll be back to a cartridge based system with 50GB capacities and relatively low loading times. I think the new medium will be the driver there as opposed to graphics and horsepower, except for Nintendo who will always focus on game play.
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Post by: Stogi on April 10, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
Not to quote Obama but I think the future will allow for an "All of the Above Approach". Everyone has their own preferences, whether that's the convenience of online or the physical nature of owning a disc or card.

What fascinates me the most (and I don't want to bring back the DLC argument because that is not what I'm talking about) is the future where developers may find it easier to sell their games if they broke them up into small pieces. Maybe in the foreseeable future I won't have to buy the campaign mode of the latest FPS and strictly download the multiplayer only, if that's all I wanted. I'm pretty sure they have something similar already in place for the PC, but this could become standard on consoles if downloading really takes off (which it probably will simply due to how convenient it is).
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 10, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
Download Shmownload. The Nextbox Durango can have a smaller amount of onbioard memory or whatnot because Microsoft will push everything to the cloud and have you stream-play your games. You won't need 20gb of onboard.
Thast is my wild prediction, unsupported by any facts or rumours.  :)
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Post by: Stogi on April 10, 2012, 07:29:51 PM
Honestly that makes a lot more sense. That would also give them a lot more control over the media as well which in their eyes is always good.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 10, 2012, 07:44:13 PM
Maybe streamplay is the reason for that rumor about the console requiring a constant internet connection? We all just assumed it was to verify the games and to combat piracy, but maybe the real version is its literally required to stream the game for you to play it?

But I think to pull that off you would still need to have some basic framework of the game downloaded and pre-installed, but this would still take up a lot less space than having the entire game on the hard drive. Basically, you would download and install the skeleton of the game which might be like 1/10th of the total size, and then you would stream play the guts.

If it was done like that then a very limited amount of on board flash storage should be more than adequate. A fraction of the game would be installed locally of course, but the majority of the game would reside in cloud land.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 10, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
Streaming only is a terrible idea and I think any system that uses it will bomb, it's even worse than having to enter a Online Pass for a game.

I think giving players the option to do it is fine, but not the only option.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 11, 2012, 03:40:01 PM
Lol, OnLive.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 11, 2012, 03:47:53 PM
OnLive is a terrible idea (especially the idea that when you pay full price to "buy" a game, you lose access to it when OnLive shuts down.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 11, 2012, 03:53:05 PM
But you're assuming that OnLive will eventually shut down, which it might (I dunno how successful they are), but business entities are assumed to live on forever.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 11, 2012, 04:00:28 PM
I think when you take a lot of these Xbox420 rumors swirling about and add them together it sorta makes sense that it might be a streaming only console.

First, we have the rumor of there not being any disc drive at all, and then there is the rumor of it requiring a constant internet connection, and then another rumor about it making it impossible to play used games. So take all those together and it meshes really well with the console being streaming only. It all makes perfect sense when you add it up.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 11, 2012, 04:03:43 PM
The thing is, cloud services are not that good as the only source of something. If you download a Xbox Live Arcade game, you will still have that game even if Xbox Live gets shut down. You pay $50 to "buy" a game on OnLive, you lose it forever if OnLive shuts down (not to mention not being able to play any games if your Internet goes down). If there was a way to download those games, it might be different.

I have not seen any rumors that Xbox 3 won't have a disc drive, the only rumor I have heard close is that a redesigned Xbox 360 won't have a disc drive (as it will be focused on XBLA).
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Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
I have not seen any rumors that Xbox 3 won't have a disc drive, the only rumor I have heard close is that a redesigned Xbox 360 won't have a disc drive (as it will be focused on XBLA).
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1220412p1.html
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 11, 2012, 05:00:56 PM
The thing is, cloud services are not that good as the only source of something. If you download a Xbox Live Arcade game, you will still have that game even if Xbox Live gets shut down. You pay $50 to "buy" a game on OnLive, you lose it forever if OnLive shuts down (not to mention not being able to play any games if your Internet goes down). If there was a way to download those games, it might be different.

That is only a problem for consumers. It doesn't matter at all to the company behind it if consumers one day find themselves unable to access the stuff they purchased. So just because its a problem for consumers doesn't mean it wouldn't be done. If OnLive ever goes under it will suck for the people who use it, but since OnLive will no longer exist its not going to be their problem.

I'm not arguing that its a good idea (for consumers); I'm just arguing that it might happen. If Microsoft can make money doing this and have more control then why wouldn't they do it?


ETA: Also, if you think about it, a streaming only console isn't much different than digital downloads. Either way, if the service gets shut down eventually your stuff becomes inaccessible. Digital Downloads already exist and they have pretty much the same problems for consumers that streaming only games have.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 11, 2012, 06:11:49 PM
At least with digital downloads, you still have the games if the service shuts down. You might be screwed if your console breaks and you can't fix it, but still better than streaming.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 11, 2012, 07:08:13 PM
The thing is, cloud services are not that good as the only source of something. If you download a Xbox Live Arcade game, you will still have that game even if Xbox Live gets shut down. You pay $50 to "buy" a game on OnLive, you lose it forever if OnLive shuts down (not to mention not being able to play any games if your Internet goes down). If there was a way to download those games, it might be different.

That is only a problem for consumers. It doesn't matter at all to the company behind it if consumers one day find themselves unable to access the stuff they purchased. So just because its a problem for consumers doesn't mean it wouldn't be done. If OnLive ever goes under it will suck for the people who use it, but since OnLive will no longer exist its not going to be their problem.

It becomes a problem for manufacturers when the consumers decide that it's too big of a problem and elect to avoid it by not buying the system in question.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 12, 2012, 10:30:48 AM
Another rumor. The Xbox 720 to have 16 core CPU?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/12/report-next-xbox-to-sport-a-16-core-cpu (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/12/report-next-xbox-to-sport-a-16-core-cpu)


Sounds a bit too extreme for a console (not to mention expensive!). I can't help but think that this may be a bit overkill if it is true, but we'll see.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 12, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
Another rumor. The Xbox 720 to have 16 core CPU?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/12/report-next-xbox-to-sport-a-16-core-cpu (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/12/report-next-xbox-to-sport-a-16-core-cpu)


Sounds a bit too extreme for a console (not to mention expensive!). I can't help but think that this may be a bit overkill if it is true, but we'll see.

$599.99 US Dollars
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Post by: Adrock on April 12, 2012, 11:53:29 AM
Ars Technica has a nice article regarding this rumor. They point out that it depends on how powerful those cores are. It's interesting to note that "most PC games struggle to max out even three cores on high-end Intel Sandy Bridge processor." They go on to say that 16 cores could end up being meaningless, more of a marketing term like Atari bragging that Jaguar was "64 Bit."

Even if MS managed to include 16 cores (which seems excessive and largely unnecessary), I highly doubt we'd be looking as something that could run Skynet.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 12, 2012, 01:12:41 PM
Plus let's not forget that Diablo III is not out yet.  We don't know if this will affect its sales or not or if the whole concept will go over like a lead balloon.  We're just assuming that because it's Blizzard it will be fine but we don't know yet.
It doesn't seem to have held back Starcraft II sales and that also requires an always-on internet connection.

The difference is that Diablo is single-player only, there is not multiplayer in it. So the constant Internet connection is ridiculous.

What are you talking about? Of course Diablo III has multiplayer; they cut the competitive multiplayer, but it still does co-op, which is a pretty big emphasis of it. It's still stupid to require always-on Internet even when playing single player, but Diablo III is no worse than any other game doing it.
And Starcraft II has a full single player campaign that you can't play unless connected to the internet.  So I'm not even sure what the argument was there.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 12, 2012, 01:30:54 PM
If anyone can point out any single game which requires 50gb of space then please point out. Even if such a game does exist I'm sure its an extremely rare exception with the majority of modern games being in the range of probably about 2-10gb.

Kojima claimed MGS4 used up the full 50GB of space. Even if that is true, I have no doubt it's because they chose to do so much uncompressed video/audio and having data written multiple times on the disc to decrease loading times.
FFXIII required a dual layer BD.  Yes, it had uncompressed video, but if you look at comparisons of the PS3 version and the 360 version (which required either 3 or 4 discs, can't remember which), the PS3 version looks better in all aspects of the game, not just the CGI sequences.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 12, 2012, 01:36:50 PM
... 16 cores could end up being meaningless, more of a marketing term like Atari bragging that Jaguar was "64 Bit."

Blast Processing for the New Millenium!
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 12, 2012, 01:40:16 PM
Re playing games streaming: I could see MS (or Nintendo with VC) doing a Netflix-like service where a large catalogue is available all the time for a flat fee and you stream-play what you want.
 
Maybe with console games (not VC or XBLA type games), MS could charge a monthly fee that would let you play up to 3 or 5 selected games at once or something like that.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 12, 2012, 03:26:34 PM
I know it's been said before, but it looks like it'll be a 16 thread, 4 core processor, (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6506/surferibm05s021512.jpg) not 16 cores.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2012, 03:32:50 PM
Another rumor. The Xbox 720 to have 16 core CPU?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/12/report-next-xbox-to-sport-a-16-core-cpu (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/12/report-next-xbox-to-sport-a-16-core-cpu)

Sounds a bit too extreme for a console (not to mention expensive!). I can't help but think that this may be a bit overkill if it is true, but we'll see.

 http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg726540#msg726540
 You've just been Caterkiller'd XD
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 12, 2012, 03:35:21 PM
16 core CPUs exist right now in the present, although they are very expensive. 2 years from now the price will have dropped, so maybe it could be doable.

That said, maybe it just being 16 thread and misinterpreted as 16 core is more likely.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2012, 03:44:53 PM
I know it's been said before, but it looks like it'll be a 16 thread, 4 core processor, (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6506/surferibm05s021512.jpg) not 16 cores.

That is the first time I've seen the actual specs of Project Durango.
80MB eDRAM shared between the CPU & GPU!!?

I guess thats the downside of having to share technology partners... Sometimes you competition will have the better version of the same tech.
At best Wii U was only rumored to have maybe 64MB eDRAM, but it wasn't said how it would be shared
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 05:53:36 PM
Streaming only is a terrible idea and I think any system that uses it will bomb, it's even worse than having to enter a Online Pass for a game.

I think giving players the option to do it is fine, but not the only option.


How is streaming-only bad? OnLive does it, and that's been pretty successful. Look at how popular Netflix is for movies, and Pandora Radio & LastFM are for music.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 05:55:17 PM
Re playing games streaming: I could see MS (or Nintendo with VC) doing a Netflix-like service where a large catalogue is available all the time for a flat fee and you stream-play what you want.
 
Maybe with console games (not VC or XBLA type games), MS could charge a monthly fee that would let you play up to 3 or 5 selected games at once or something like that.


For VC and XBLA games, this is a great idea. For full-size games, I'd rather have the physical copy of the game.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2012, 06:52:16 PM
If a streaming service operated more like Netflix, where you pay a flat monthly fee and got access to anything you want, I think it would be more well-received. And more importantly, there are other options for people who want to buy things physically or as downloads. Like he said, options are good but forcing only streaming is a bad idea, especially with internet access in this country in the shape it's in right now.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 06:57:16 PM
If a streaming service operated more like Netflix, where you pay a flat monthly fee and got access to anything you want, I think it would be more well-received. And more importantly, there are other options for people who want to buy things physically or as downloads. Like he said, options are good but forcing only streaming is a bad idea, especially with internet access in this country in the shape it's in right now.


I'm sure there will be options. The movie industry still puts a majority of movies on disc, while Netflix gets a small percentage of new releases.


On the other hand, most music is released digitally (iTunes, Amazon MP3, Google Play), and music CDs are a shrinking market. So there will be a time when the gaming and movie markets fully embrace digital the way the music industry has.


And then there's Steam, which is where most PC games are released now. So we are getting there, but it will be a while before ALL games are digital only. It took the music industry a couple years to fully embrace iTunes, after all.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 15, 2012, 11:01:40 PM
Netflix is not streaming only. OnLive is somewhat successful, but is bad for gamers for reasons I already stated. Music is not the same because it's like listening to the radio (even TV shows and movies are different). With music, you can always have a digital or physical copy of the song separate. I should also point out that Pandora and Last.FM are free. If a video game service was FREE too, then streaming-only isn't bad.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 16, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
Netflix is not streaming only. OnLive is somewhat successful, but is bad for gamers for reasons I already stated. Music is not the same because it's like listening to the radio (even TV shows and movies are different). With music, you can always have a digital or physical copy of the song separate. I should also point out that Pandora and Last.FM are free. If a video game service was FREE too, then streaming-only isn't bad.
Pandora and Last.FM are not free.  They constantly have commercials every 2-4 songs, same as radio.  Your idea of video game streaming, to coincide with the Pandora/Last.FM comparison, would require games to pause every 20-30 minutes and have a commercial and then allow you to play again, a la Hulu with free video streaming.  It's not a good comparison unless you think getting interupted while playing every 30 minutes to get to watch a commercial.  You could include an option like Pandora where you buy a premium account and get rid of the commercials.  Oh wait, that is what OnLive does.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 16, 2012, 12:27:58 PM
I'm not into the idea of streaming games entirely because it really doesn't fit my schedule.  Sometimes I'll have a week where I play games every single day.  Sometimes a whole month can go by where I play nothing just because that's how my free time worked out.  With the current model I can buy a game or two and maybe I'll play them nonstop for weeks or maybe there will be long stretches of time between plays.  It doesn't matter because the purchase still feels worthwhile.  With a Netflix type of system I could have months where I essentially paid for a new game and never got a chance to play it.  From a financial perspective it's like I bought a game and threw it in the garbage.  Okay, so maybe I wise up and cancel my subscription during a time I figure I won't get much play.  But maybe that one Tuesday night I DO have time and want to play a game.  But do I have to then buy another month for one evening?

A subscription model would cost me a lot more money for a lot less with the way my schedule is.  Ten years ago when I was just some college living at my parents' house it would have been a bargain.  The model of buying a game and playing it whenever I want just works better for my lifestyle and I imagine that would be the same for most people my age.  Now the idea of people paying for game time they never use probably sounds fantastic to Microsoft but I would never pay for it.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 16, 2012, 06:54:59 PM
Pandora and Last.FM are not free.  They constantly have commercials every 2-4 songs, same as radio.

Funny, I thought not paying for something meant it was FREE.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 16, 2012, 07:02:26 PM
TJ is right. Just because there are commercials doesn't mean its not free... the commercials are what allows it to be free. Stuff has to be paid for somehow. They aren't going to offer stuff like that at a loss. Its free for you as a user, but the trade off is you have to listen to the commercials.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 16, 2012, 07:25:12 PM
Pandora and Last.FM are not free.  They constantly have commercials every 2-4 songs, same as radio.

Funny, I thought not paying for something meant it was FREE.
I didn't word that correctly.  let me try again.

Because you are required to listen through commercials, you are, in a sense, "paying" for your streaming music by those commercials.  So in that sense, it is not free.  I was trying to point out that using Pandora as an example of what works for the music industry would not work for the gaming industry because it would be really hard to play a game, have it pause on you to show a commercial every 30 minutes or so, and then start up again.  It's not practical.  You brought up streaming radio.  I was just stating it was not a good example.  Apples to oranges.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 16, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
There are iOS apps that show how it can work. Have a ad that shows up before you play a game, and have stuff like load screens feature ads. Like for a FPS, in-between rounds they can play a 15 second ad.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2012, 10:07:32 PM
There is also the possibility of in game ads.

Billboards, product placement, sponsorships, etc etc.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 16, 2012, 10:11:40 PM
There is also the possibility of in game ads.

Billboards, product placement, sponsorships, etc etc.

True, publishers have to use that to help make the game cheap or free and not just profit for themselves. The worst example I can think of is Fight Night Round 3, which went way overboard (you could barely go 15 seconds without some product being advertised in the game) and EA still charged $60 for it.

So when done right, it can be done.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 17, 2012, 12:27:56 PM
There are iOS apps that show how it can work. Have a ad that shows up before you play a game, and have stuff like load screens feature ads. Like for a FPS, in-between rounds they can play a 15 second ad.
What happens with the single player parts?
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Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
There are iOS apps that show how it can work. Have a ad that shows up before you play a game, and have stuff like load screens feature ads. Like for a FPS, in-between rounds they can play a 15 second ad.
What happens with the single player parts?
The ads will show on the slow opening doors what are really hidden load times.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 18, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
Do you all really think ad revenue will be enough to support a streaming service?  In game ads are out because they are in the game and go to the publisher.  Pop up ads work on simple games like solitaire and Angry Birds.  There is a reason Epic did not offer a free version of Infinity Blade.  It's because the ad revenue would not make up for that $7 each sale gets. 
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 18, 2012, 06:17:24 PM
Ad revenue has been shown to work for some games. Whether it will happen with bigger games is unknown.
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Post by: Stogi on April 18, 2012, 07:31:14 PM
Ad revenue has been shown to work always. If Pepsi could shove their logos on confetti up my dogs ass each day so when he farts, Pepsi confetti would poof everywhere, they would.

Edit: Just saw your title, TJ. Ha

hahaha
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Post by: oohhboy on April 18, 2012, 08:27:56 PM
Glad to see someone else noticed TJ's sudden change in opinion. It was disturbing.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 19, 2012, 11:36:41 AM
TJ's mainstream opinion is so mainstream. 
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 20, 2012, 01:57:42 AM
Glad to see someone else noticed TJ's sudden change in opinion. It was disturbing.

Now, I respect my opponent. I think he's a good man. But quite frankly, I agree with everything he just said.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 20, 2012, 02:30:38 AM
As far as advertisements in games go, I've always been fond of the in game advertisements in the Fallout 3 universe for things like Nuka-Cola and Sugar Bombs, and stuff like that. Of course these products don't exist, but they are in game advertisements which add flavor to the game. I wish those things did exist, though. A Cola which glows purple?! Who the hell wouldn't want that?
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Post by: nickmitch on April 20, 2012, 02:53:04 AM
Honestly, I'd question what effects it would have on my body before even considering the taste.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 20, 2012, 12:50:25 PM
Now, I respect my opponent. I think he's a good man. But quite frankly, I agree with everything he just said.
Greater words have never been said.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 20, 2012, 03:21:56 PM
Glad to see someone else noticed TJ's sudden change in opinion. It was disturbing.

Now, I respect my opponent. I think he's a good man. But quite frankly, I agree with everything he just said.

I will always give an applaud for a Futurama reference.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2012, 02:12:11 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/microsoft-set-to-reveal-xbox-smart-glass-tablet-at-this-years-e3?cid=db_articles (http://www.examiner.com/article/microsoft-set-to-reveal-xbox-smart-glass-tablet-at-this-years-e3?cid=db_articles)

summary: tablet access and streaming through the Xbox360.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 03, 2012, 04:07:18 PM
This is why Nintendo shouldn't have unveiled the Wii U last year. What was the point of unveiling it then when it isn't coming out until this year? All it did was give Sony and Microsoft a good head start to start ripping off the idea.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 03, 2012, 05:38:55 PM
Well Nintendo needed to show something.  They were taking a beating and didn't have many games left over for the Wii, and many studios had already started working on the future console with Wii U games.  I think Nintendo did the right thing revealing the Wii U...but maybe it was just a little too early.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on June 03, 2012, 07:41:46 PM
Yeah, I don't think they had much of a choice last year. But they should've showed real game footage, even if it was just a head fake, a la the infamous Space World Zelda video.

I think it's actually good if both Microsoft and Sony go whole hog on copying the tablet. This will lead to more third party developer support, and more fully fleshed out tablet features on the WiiU than might otherwise have been programmed. Plus, competitive innovation, all that jazz.
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Post by: KeyBilly on June 04, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Almost every game looked the same.  Even Tomb Raider and Resident Evil looked the same.  How many helicopters exploded in the press conference?  It reminds me of the Crysis helicopter exploding last year.
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Post by: SixthAngel on June 04, 2012, 02:27:54 PM
If Nintendo didn't release info last year ms would have known anyway unless not a single third party was given anything relevant until recently.
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Post by: broodwars on June 04, 2012, 02:29:24 PM
Almost every game looked the same.  Even Tomb Raider and Resident Evil looked the same.  How many helicopters exploded in the press conference?  It reminds me of the Crysis helicopter exploding last year.

OK, let's not insult the awesomeness of the Tomb Raider reboot by comparing it to yet another action-heavy, QTE-centric Resident Evil game.  Tomb Raider looks much more complex and entertaining.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 04, 2012, 02:30:57 PM
Almost every game looked the same.  Even Tomb Raider and Resident Evil looked the same.  How many helicopters exploded in the press conference?  It reminds me of the Crysis helicopter exploding last year.

OK, let's not insult the awesomeness of the Tomb Raider reboot by comparing it to yet another action-heavy, QTE-centric Resident Evil game.  Tomb Raider looks much more complex and entertaining.
Of course, there are QTEs in both of those games.  I do think the new Tomb Raider looks much better though and I already preordered it last year. :)
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Post by: KeyBilly on June 04, 2012, 02:41:32 PM
Almost every game looked the same.  Even Tomb Raider and Resident Evil looked the same.  How many helicopters exploded in the press conference?  It reminds me of the Crysis helicopter exploding last year.

OK, let's not insult the awesomeness of the Tomb Raider reboot by comparing it to yet another action-heavy, QTE-centric Resident Evil game.  Tomb Raider looks much more complex and entertaining.

It's not an insult to any of the games with the same sort of gameplay.  RE, Splinter Cell, Tomb Raider, etc. all look pretty similar in how they play (attack style, controls, stealth kills, climbing like Ezio, intercut with cinematics), but I think they all look fun.  I just was amazed at how similar game after game looked.  It made the conference really sad, as if they were displaying the state of the industry now.

With that said, I will probably enjoy some of these games and I appreciate how much hard work has gone into honing this style of game.  Like action movies, they can be quite fun while sticking to the formula, and the bad action movies remind us that it is not easy regardless of how many times it has been done.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 06, 2012, 03:00:31 AM
LOL @ the people who thought MS and Sony would announce new systems this year.


Microsoft wants to keep the Xbox 360 around as long as they can, and Sony can't afford to make a new console with how badly the Vita is selling.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 06, 2012, 03:24:27 AM
LOL @ the people who thought MS and Sony would announce new systems this year.

The smart thing would have been if Nintendo hadn't announced the Wii U at E3 2011, and instead saved everything and then combined it all for this year's E3. I know their 2011 presentation was disappointing and so was their presentation this year, but if they took everything from last year and saved it and combined it with this year's E3 then they might have had something halfway decent, but instead of doing that Nintendo blew their load prematurely and so they didn't have much to wow anyone with this year.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2012, 07:47:07 AM
Nintendo had a lot to show this year. One of the best parts was just shown on Sunday. Even if they weren't ready to blow their load on Nintendo Network details, more emphasis on it would have been nice. I don't really know why Ubisoft got so much time when they had their own press conference but I have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only company that is embracing Wii U. In the past year, most of these companies could have hired the talent necessary to port their games to Wii U. I'm hopeful that they're just withholding info but I'm still worried that they're just not going to support the platform. I wish the 3rd party sizzle reel included more upcoming games that we didn't know were coming.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on June 06, 2012, 12:32:45 PM
I'm still holding out hope that Nintendo will wow us at some point.  The majority of games that have been announced have been western games.  Maybe they are holding onto the 3rd party Japanese games for their own conference in Japan to show those games. 

And I agree that M$ wants to stay with the 360 for as long as possible.  The more I see, the more it feels like the reports that they will wait until at least 2014 to release the new one are correct.  They are making money on the 360 and they know there is no guarantee when they will start making money with the new system.  Why destroy a revenue when it shows no signs of diminishing?  M$ is not run by the Maloof family so they are smart enough to retain proven revenue streams.

M$ will release their system no later than 1 year after the PS4/Orbis.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 06, 2012, 08:55:46 PM
I'm still holding out hope that Nintendo will wow us at some point.  The majority of games that have been announced have been western games.  Maybe they are holding onto the 3rd party Japanese games for their own conference in Japan to show those games.

But what are the odds those Japanese games will come over to these shores? Let's not forget it took Operation Rainfall fighting tooth and nail to give us Last Story and Xenoblade. Will the same have to be done for Japanese Wii U games?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 06, 2012, 10:59:47 PM
There is no new Xbox or PlayStation console this year. End of story.


/thread dead
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2012, 11:22:28 PM
There is no new Xbox or PlayStation console this year. End of story.


/thread dead
Why would the thread be dead? If anything it should have been renamed months ago when I was told that PS4/X720 won't hit till end of 2013 and then again when Sony and MS both said they wouldn' be announcing any new hardware this year at E3.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on June 06, 2012, 11:56:06 PM
I think Sony will still keep waiting and seeing at next year's E3, but have something ready to go, just in case. MS might make an announcement though. They seem to be experimenting with what they want to do with their next console.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - to hit in 2012? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 07, 2012, 03:56:29 PM
I'm still holding out hope that Nintendo will wow us at some point.  The majority of games that have been announced have been western games.


There's a reason for that, Western games sell better than Japanese ones. Nintendo is an exception because they place so much emphasis on family fun, and Mario is a universal icon. If Nintendo was like any other Japanese publisher, their games would be ignored in a sea of Western shooters.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on June 07, 2012, 07:34:35 PM
Microsoft wants to go full blown set top box for their next console. The whole living room technology is in transition right now, so they either try to set the new standard or hold off and react to Google, Apple, Nintendo, Sony and whoever else wants to control the living room.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on June 08, 2012, 01:15:49 PM
If Nintendo would've waiting to show the Wii U until this year, they would've run the risk of MS showing off their **** first. And let's not forget the number of leaks we got about the controller. The cat would've been out of the bag had they waited. Plus, they wouldn't have **** to show in 2011. I mean, aside from the dozens of Wii games we got.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 08, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
If Nintendo would've waiting to show the Wii U until this year, they would've run the risk of MS showing off their **** first. And let's not forget the number of leaks we got about the controller. The cat would've been out of the bag had they waited. Plus, they wouldn't have **** to show in 2011. I mean, aside from the dozens of Wii games we got.

I don't think who shows their system off first is really important. Whoever launches first is what really matters... showing off first means nothing if the product is vaporware or won't launch until sometime way into the future. Duke Nukem Forever "showed off first" way back in the 90s, and what good did that do?

I agree with you that they needed to have something to show off at E3 2011, though. If I was running Nintendo I would have pushed Xenoblade Chronicles and the other Operation Rainfall games at E3 2011. Then again, if I was running Nintendo I would make a lot more of an effort to ensure there is no content droughts so that I don't even need to grasp at straws to fill a void.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on June 09, 2012, 01:16:11 AM
Duke Nukem Forever had a LOT of things going wrong for it. And showing first matters more than launching first. If I show off some crazy, new innovative feature, then other companies are going to need time to imitate it. The less time they take, the shittier it'll look next to the genuine article. So, showing first almost guarantees I'll launch first unless I hit some serious delays.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 09, 2012, 01:28:06 AM
Duke Nukem Forever had a LOT of things going wrong for it. And showing first matters more than launching first. If I show off some crazy, new innovative feature, then other companies are going to need time to imitate it. The less time they take, the shittier it'll look next to the genuine article. So, showing first almost guarantees I'll launch first unless I hit some serious delays.


Duke Nukem's problem is that the developers (3D Realms) took forever to make it, and they were hit with a ton of debt during the game's development. This caused them to repeatedly shelve the game. It wasn't until Gearbox offered to pick up the IP that the game finally got finished. But then Gearbox tried to put their own spin on what 3D Realms had created. This resulted in a disjointed game.


It's very similar to what happened with Too Human. Though I really don't believe that Silicon Knights was developing that game back in the PS1 era. People would have known about it back then.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on June 09, 2012, 01:44:46 AM
Cool story, bro.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Phil on June 09, 2012, 03:26:36 AM
I don't know what Microsoft needs to do to get me back on their side, but their brand of exclusives, Kinect, and paying for XBL aren't helping. I hope they show something less shooty and race-y and step outside their comfort zone.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 09, 2012, 07:34:08 PM
Duke Nukem Forever had a LOT of things going wrong for it. And showing first matters more than launching first. If I show off some crazy, new innovative feature, then other companies are going to need time to imitate it. The less time they take, the shittier it'll look next to the genuine article. So, showing first almost guarantees I'll launch first unless I hit some serious delays.


Duke Nukem's problem is that the developers (3D Realms) took forever to make it, and they were hit with a ton of debt during the game's development. This caused them to repeatedly shelve the game. It wasn't until Gearbox offered to pick up the IP that the game finally got finished. But then Gearbox tried to put their own spin on what 3D Realms had created. This resulted in a disjointed game.

It didn't help that every time a new game engine was released, they would start over on the new engine.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on June 09, 2012, 09:23:47 PM
I don't know what Microsoft needs to do to get me back on their side, but their brand of exclusives, Kinect, and paying for XBL aren't helping. I hope they show something less shooty and race-y and step outside their comfort zone.

Xbla man

I'm still going with a 2013 release with a first details coming in the December 2012-March 2013 time frame.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on June 09, 2012, 10:01:45 PM
I don't know what Microsoft needs to do to get me back on their side, but their brand of exclusives, Kinect, and paying for XBL aren't helping. I hope they show something less shooty and race-y and step outside their comfort zone.

Xbla man

I'm still going with a 2013 release with a first details coming in the December 2012-March 2013 time frame.
Microsoft will not announce anything major like a new console this Winter because Windows 8 is coming out and they need to focus all of there message to that.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on June 14, 2012, 04:20:55 PM
CES or GDC 2013 will be the earliest they show the new console.  And even then, I expect they wait until CES or GDC 2014, especially if they don't plan to release it until 2014.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Shaymin on June 14, 2012, 06:53:25 PM
MS already pulled out of CES next year, though. And they've pulled out of Gamescom and TGS this year as well.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on June 14, 2012, 09:38:26 PM
That's alot of pulling out.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: EasyCure on June 14, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
That's alot of pulling out.

Just like college.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Oblivion on June 14, 2012, 09:59:56 PM
These days, it's more like middle school. :P
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 15, 2012, 12:31:18 AM
These days, it's more like middle school. :P

In my days it was middle school too....
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Oblivion on June 15, 2012, 01:22:36 AM
Oh man. I guess things never change.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on June 15, 2012, 11:13:55 AM
Yep. But to be fair they don't need CES or gamescon as much as the other guys do. They're going apple style now holding there own events. The only thing reason they are going to stay in E3 is because of the media coverage.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on June 15, 2012, 02:57:16 PM
Yep. But to be fair they don't need CES or gamescon as much as the other guys do. They're going apple style now holding there own events. The only thing reason they are going to stay in E3 is because of the media coverage.
Microsoft normally holds a lot of there own events anyway.  It would make sense.

CES and some of the other events I think MS has been waiting to pull out only because they have a lot of partners and it helped them for MS to have a presence.  They just don't see the benefit anymore.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 16, 2012, 12:46:51 AM
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/353507/features/the-next-gen-manifesto-bioware-dice-and-more-detail-their-ps4-xbox-720-wishlist/?page=5#top_banner
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on June 19, 2012, 04:25:08 PM
Sigh, another gaming site that completely ignores the Wii U and does not consider it in the same generation as PS4/nexbox.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on June 19, 2012, 05:22:27 PM
That link has Bioware in it.  I'm skipping it.  I've been burn by ME and SWTOR so thats it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on June 19, 2012, 07:16:41 PM
Sigh, another gaming site that completely ignores the Wii U and does not consider it in the same generation as PS4/nexbox.

They also manage to ignore the Wii entirely despite having a large portion of the article devoted to motion control and the people they can find who hate it.  They mention both move and kinect multiple times while only mentioning wii because it is in the resume of someone they interviewed.  I didn't think people still believed they could force the wii to never have existed if they just ignored it hard enough.
Title: Microsoft Secures 'Xbox 8' Domain
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 10, 2012, 12:16:16 AM
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/07/03/microsoft-secures-39-xbox-39-8-domain-name.aspx

Does this suggest "Xbox 8" will be the name of the next Xbox? The way this could make sense is if it somehow has Windows 8 integrated into or installed onto it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on July 10, 2012, 04:44:23 AM
It would make sense in a cross branding sort of way with both Windows and Windows Phone 8, but I don't think the name "Xbox 8" makes sense in its own context. It's probably just a way to make sure no one else is using the domain name. Lots of companies by up domains that they never use to keep others from using them.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 10, 2012, 05:38:12 AM
Another possibility is they are thinking ahead for the distant future, like say 30 years from now when they might get to an 8th Xbox system.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 10, 2012, 07:45:46 AM
I think they just wanted to snag any domains from domain-squatters that people might think are about Microsoft products.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on July 10, 2012, 09:11:20 AM
XBox 8 wouldn't be a bad name for a promotion.  They may call it XBox 8 though.  This time around rumor has it that MS is going to actually try to tie there massive desperate set of products together like they should have leverage earlier.  So all your Windows 8 things will just be able to talk with each other without a problem.  Seamlessly.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 10, 2012, 09:41:37 AM
If you think about it, jumping ahead to Xbox 8 even though its only the third Xbox seems weird, but is that really any different from jumping from the Xbox 1 to the Xbox 360? Its the same basic principle. Sony will almost certainly name their next console PS4 so by having an Xbox 8 it kinda gives an impression that its 4 models ahead of the PS4.... that's not true of course, and anyone with even the most basic knowledge of this stuff would know better, but its something that could dupe the casual uninformed crowd.

People who don't know any better will look at the Xbox 8 and think "Wow! This Xbox brand must be really good if its been around so long that its now up to its 8th generation. It must be tried and true, unlike that Playstation brand which has only been around half that long."
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 10, 2012, 06:45:46 PM
Xbox 360 makes some sense though, like saying it's uniting the world or is the full circle. There is no way to spin Xbox 8 though.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 10, 2012, 08:21:36 PM
Nobody in their right mind would think the Xbox 360 is the 360th Xbox. That's absurd. 8, being a reasonable number, can cause that confusion. Nintendo is on 6, so 8 is still in the ballpark.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 11, 2012, 10:56:01 PM
They may call it Xbox Infinite like the old rumor suggested. Infinity sign looking like the number 8 of course.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 12, 2012, 12:31:34 AM
I am really curious about this next generation.  I am really pondering when the earliest and latest the new systems can come out.

I believe the launching of the PS4 and new Xbox will be the earliest December 2013.  This gives Nintendo a head start of only a year...which may or may not be a good head start.

That being said, Nintendo didn't super leap the current generations...I am not saying the Wii U is under powered...but that Microsoft and Sony don't have to fear the Wii U as making their systems look obsolete.  So they could push for 2014...but is that likely?

I lean to it not being likely, except that Microsoft and Sony could use that extra year to make more profit, help wait out the technology to be truly revolutionary...in power leaps from last generation.  And for Sony use that time to help correct the sinking ship that is the PSP Vita. 

This leads me to believe that next year all 3 companies will be enjoying some nice profits, and if Nintendo gets a 2 year head start on the next generation...it won't matter if the other systems are 5 times more powerful...Nintendo and Nintendo gamers, already had 2 full years of great gaming at the top of the food chain...and hopefully a large enough hardware lead to help Nintendo maintain that momentum. 

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on July 12, 2012, 01:36:17 AM
360/PS3 had jumped the gun and under delivered at the same time when it came to graphic hardware. While they did anticipate the move to 720p/1080p, their machines were underpowered or very poorly designed for the job. Sure they look good next to the Wii since they could output in a higher resolution and now everyone is packing an LCD, but that "Advantage" had cost them dearly.

Now that 1080p is now the de-facto standard for the next decade or 2 with 720p as the floor, graphical gains are going to be marginal coming into next gen. Given the costs considerations, development costs, technological progress and the ability for the average human to even tell the difference, next gen consoles won't be that much more powerful than the WiiU without blowing the bank or having the only people who would notice be the pixel counters. MS can afford to break the bank, but Sony has no chance in hell considering how poorly the company is doing as a whole and the state that the Vita is currently in with no end insight.

720/PS4 will be more powerful, but it won't be the mine blowing large gap it is today. Even on the high end PC scene developments have been sluggish. There are only a handful of games that remotely push those computers and they do it pretty much out of brute force like having absurdly high resolutions or having having some very nice but expensive effects that can be done cheaper with marginal impact.

If this has any truth (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-microsoft-scalable-platform-patent) to it, MS is looking to sell you a locked down, striped down PC in the future.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 12, 2012, 01:41:54 AM
They may call it Xbox Infinite like the old rumor suggested. Infinity sign looking like the number 8 of course.

Well, a sideways 8, but yeah, that's a good point. You may very well be on to something.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 13, 2012, 12:59:41 AM
Oohboy:  I agree with that...and yet...there are things that can be done to make games continue to look better.  Mostly, it involves great art design...but being able to push larger environments, larger number of characters on screen, have better more dynamic lighting effects, smoother animation...all of that will come with the upcoming systems.

But, what is clear with the Wii is that HD doesn't matter as much as art direction...and the more developers are pushing to this ultra realism...the worse the game community will be in my opinion.  I love the more stylized games for visual bliss. 
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 13, 2012, 01:15:58 AM
It's diminishing returns going forward. Microsoft could go all out and blow the others away in terms of raw specs, but at a glance it won't look that much better than what Sony and Nintendo are doing. Most of the ways it would be a major improvement are hard to sell to a mass audience because they're not visible on the surface. By doing that, Microsoft would make less money with probably negligible effects on market share, and If Nintendo and Sony both play it safe they'll have a large enough combined install base to ensure that they both get most third party titles. It's easier and more profitable for Microsoft to do the same.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 13, 2012, 02:29:38 AM
It's diminishing returns going forward. Microsoft could go all out and blow the others away in terms of raw specs, but at a glance it won't look that much better than what Sony and Nintendo are doing. Most of the ways it would be a major improvement are hard to sell to a mass audience because they're not visible on the surface. By doing that, Microsoft would make less money with probably negligible effects on market share, and If Nintendo and Sony both play it safe they'll have a large enough combined install base to ensure that they both get most third party titles. It's easier and more profitable for Microsoft to do the same.

This is true.  I went to look at the new Retina display Mac Book Pros, and I couldn't really see a difference. 

But still from here on out its diminishing returns...but the things about diminishing returns is they are...well diminishing...so this next generation can still get a pretty good bump of graphical returns...however, next will be less, and less and less. 

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 13, 2012, 03:45:41 AM
Graphical returns may be diminishing, but there is still much that can be improved in non-graphical ways such as in physics, A.I. interactions, and so on. These things require enormous calculations to be performed.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 13, 2012, 04:33:56 AM
Which I acknowledged, and subsequently pointed out that there's no easy way to show that off, making it hard to convince people to pay upwards of $400 for the console.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 13, 2012, 12:10:17 PM
Years ago it seemed like the each company had something missing.  Nintendo had motion control but not HD and the other two had HD but no motion control.  Sony and MS then added Move and Kinect and now Nintendo is finally getting the HD specs with the Wii U.  I would actually be perfectly content if it stayed like that for years.  I think it logically COULD stay like that for years.  The only reason there even seems to be serious talk about new consoles from MS and Sony is entirely because Nintendo is introducing a new one, so I guess the other guys have to match that.  But do they really?  Sony and MS were able to address their motion control shortcomings with an accessory.  Nintendo couldn't do that to beef up the specs; they had to release a new system.  It doesn't seem like MS and Sony really HAVE to upgrade at this point.  Sony in particular was talking a bath on the PS3 for years.  Why abandon the PS3 when it is finally profitable for a PS4 that would logically restart the same process?  These can't be chincy upgrades.  They have to be something significant and that means they'll likely cost Sony and MS a lot of money.  If they're going to do that there needs to be a really obvious point to it and, as J.P. pointed out, they need to be able to sell consumers on it.

It seems like the point is mostly just that Nintendo has started a new generation so everyone has to follow when it really is only necessary if the Wii U is so superior to the PS360 systems that they would need to upgrade to stay competitive.  The "new console every five years" model was never going to be permanent because it never needed to be.  Someday we would reach a point where any game that would cost-feasible to make would be doable on the current hardware.  The future of consoles is going to be more like movie or music mediums where something like VHS or LP records can last a long time before a new format is needed.
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Post by: Ceric on July 13, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
I agree with the VHS and LP one.

I will say that Sony somewhat botched there architecture this times around.  There is a lot of Power being lost in the PS3.

The 360 really could use a refresh.  Not a major one like the Wii, but I'm hearing stories of needing to do disc swapping and like in this day and age.  That's really old school.  It will only get worse with 2 Systems out with large media formats.  Plus a few other odds and ends.

2 Years and I think the 360 will really need to have its successor by then.  The PS3 on the other hand I think Sony can wait until it can have a reasonable price to compete.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 13, 2012, 08:58:12 PM
Why abandon the PS3 when it is finally profitable for a PS4 that would logically restart the same process?  These can't be chincy upgrades.  They have to be something significant and that means they'll likely cost Sony and MS a lot of money.  If they're going to do that there needs to be a really obvious point to it and, as J.P. pointed out, they need to be able to sell consumers on it.


You could make that same argument for every single console ever made. Designing and selling a new console costs a lot of money and resources. If it wasn't worth it, then no company would have ever made a successor console. In most cases, there is enough software and hardware sold to make up for the costs of development.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 16, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Why abandon the PS3 when it is finally profitable for a PS4 that would logically restart the same process?  These can't be chincy upgrades.  They have to be something significant and that means they'll likely cost Sony and MS a lot of money.  If they're going to do that there needs to be a really obvious point to it and, as J.P. pointed out, they need to be able to sell consumers on it.


You could make that same argument for every single console ever made. Designing and selling a new console costs a lot of money and resources. If it wasn't worth it, then no company would have ever made a successor console. In most cases, there is enough software and hardware sold to make up for the costs of development.

But it's not like most consoles from the past were a total money pit for several years.  It WAS worth it, but in the past you didn't bleed money for years after launch.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 17, 2012, 12:22:03 AM
Also, in the past it was more affordable to make AAA titles.  Now, with HD graphics, voice acting, cut scenes, story, multi and single player games, online, offline support.  Everything that goes into making a high caliber HD game is much more expensive than game development in the past.  And the talented designers are asking for more and more money for their labor.  (They deserve it.)  But it all adds up.  We are not just talking about HD consoles are expensive and risky with each new release...but also HD game development.  The market is risky...and so it makes new consoles in more risky. 

I don't think we are in a 10 year cycle yet...perhaps an 8 year cycle...but I imagine in 2-3 generations we will be up there to a 10+ year cycle...and when that happens gaming will be good/great again.   
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 17, 2012, 07:29:11 AM
The Atari 2600 had a 14-15 year life span, and even longer than that if you count the Flashback units.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 17, 2012, 12:15:57 PM
The Atari 2600's life span though was like the PS2 in that it kept going along years after its successor came out.  But it only lasted from 1977-1982 before the 5200 came out.  So that was five years until its successor came out.  Of course the 5200 was kind of a dud so the 2600 continued to be successful and then continued on as a sort of fringe retro system during the NES years.  But those extra years don't really matter.  What matters is how long a system is around as the current system for its manufacturer.  That timeframe indicates how long the hardware can remain current before it logically needs to be updated.

Of course some consoles have had a little bit longer than five years between systems.  The Genesis came out here in 1989 and wasn't replaced by the Saturn until 1995, so that's six years.  The NES went from 1983 to 1990 in Japan and 1985 to 1991 in North America.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 17, 2012, 01:07:58 PM
The Genesis came out here in 1989 and wasn't replaced by the Saturn until 1995, so that's six years.

That's if you don't count the 32x and/or Sega CD.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 17, 2012, 05:06:52 PM
The NES went from 1983 to 1990 in Japan and 1985 to 1991 in North America.


Actually the NES lasted until 1994 in North America, that's 9 years. (!)
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 17, 2012, 05:27:13 PM
The NES went from 1983 to 1990 in Japan and 1985 to 1991 in North America.


Actually the NES lasted until 1994 in North America, that's 9 years. (!)

I guess you missed the part where I was talking about the years before a successor came along.  As the primary Nintendo console, the NES lasted from 1985 to 1991 when the Super Nintendo came out.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 17, 2012, 05:42:03 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't really say the NES had much life after the SNES came out. How many new NES games came out after the SNES? Zoda's Revenge and Wario's Woods are it as far as I know.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 17, 2012, 06:45:37 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't really say the NES had much life after the SNES came out. How many new NES games came out after the SNES? Zoda's Revenge and Wario's Woods are it as far as I know.

According to Wikipedia, the following games from Nintendo were released (just using the US) in the US after SNES came out:
NES Open Tournament Golf
Kirby's Adventure
Yoshi's Cookie
Yoshi
Tetris 2
Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics II
Wario's Woods
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 17, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
I knew there was more than those two I could think of offhand, but just as I suspected there wasn't that much more. Keep in mind those 7 games were spread out over 1991-1994. That's very slim pickings for such a length of time.

The NES certainly deserved more support than that, though. Its install base was 60 Million which was the highest of any system at that point. Seems wasteful for Nintendo to just kick it to the curb like they did.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 17, 2012, 08:09:13 PM
In that same time frame Japan got 3 more games (2 of them being Fire Emblem games). I think Nintendo wanted to put more resources into the SNES since the Genesis was really picking up steam. Nintendo has better supported the NES after its successor came out than any of their other systems (at least outside of Japan).
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Post by: Louieturkey on July 23, 2012, 04:46:30 PM
TJ is right, the NES was getting major love compared to just about any other Nintendo system outside handhelds.

I think it more has to do with if the system is selling still or not.  The NES was still selling after the SNES was released, so they kept making games.  The SNES stalled after the N64 was released.  The N64 stalled a year before the GCN was released and the GCN stalled 2 years before the Wii came out.  Now the Wii stalled last year and probably won't get many more, if any games directly from Nintendo after the Wii U is released.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 23, 2012, 04:53:46 PM
PS2 selling (far) better than the PS3 is why SONY took away backwards compatibility. Shame.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 23, 2012, 05:01:25 PM
PS2 selling (far) better than the PS3 is why SONY took away backwards compatibility. Shame.

Hey Brandogg, is there any way to solder the emotion chip thing into the newer PS3s to add PS2 BC? If you could do that I'm sure you could make a lot of money because a lot of people would want that.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 24, 2012, 08:50:14 AM
There's a good chance the PS4 wont be BC with the PS3. Either.


Also I'm still going with fall 2013 for Durango at least. I'm expecting an annoucment event between October and December.  Quite possibly at the Windows 8 launch event.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 24, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
There's a good chance the PS4 wont be BC with the PS3. Either.

Especially considering Sony seems to be dropping the whole cell processor thing and switching to the same PPC architecture that Nintendo and MS are using. I don't know how feasible PS3 emulation would be because the Cell processor is pretty complicated from what I understand about it. Maybe the only way it could be done is if Sony included Cell chips in the PS4 like they did with emotion chips in the early PS3s? But this would add to manufacturing costs, and would probably get pulled in a further revision.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 24, 2012, 07:28:24 PM

There's a good chance the PS4 wont be BC with the PS3. Either.


Especially considering Sony seems to be dropping the whole cell processor thing and switching to the same PPC architecture that Nintendo and MS are using. I don't know how feasible PS3 emulation would be because the Cell processor is pretty complicated from what I understand about it. Maybe the only way it could be done is if Sony included Cell chips in the PS4 like they did with emotion chips in the early PS3s? But this would add to manufacturing costs, and would probably get pulled in a further revision.

Do you have any proof that Sony is switching to PowerPC chips? Or is that all speculation?

Microsoft and Nintendo chose PowerPC because they are powerful and also resource efficient. Sony hasn't been making smart decisions lately, so I doubt they will follow what their competitors are doing.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 24, 2012, 08:01:48 PM
Do you have any proof that Sony is switching to PowerPC chips? Or is that all speculation?

It was something I read in an article awhile back, but I'm not your caddy so I'm not going to bother looking it up. If you want to google it yourself, fine. If you don't and don't want to believe me that's fine too. I'm too lazy to care either way.

Microsoft and Nintendo chose PowerPC because they are powerful and also resource efficient. Sony hasn't been making smart decisions lately, so I doubt they will follow what their competitors are doing.

Carrying on with the Cell processor might have been the smarter choice, not only for the sake of backwards compatibility with the PS3, but also because its supposed to be more powerful and better than traditional processors. Sony invested a lot of money in it so it seems wasteful to just kick it to the curb.

Oh and as far as proof for them abandoning it goes, how about the Vita? They could have went with a cell processor for that, but they didn't. Guess they no longer think its as awesome as Kutaragi made it out to be back in 2006. That along with UMD, MiniDisc, Memory Sticks, Betamax, and a long line of other dead end Sony crap are now in the dustbin of history.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 24, 2012, 08:08:45 PM
Do you have any proof that Sony is switching to PowerPC chips? Or is that all speculation?

It was something I read in an article awhile back, but I'm not your caddy so I'm not going to bother looking it up. If you want to google it yourself, fine. If you don't and don't want to believe me that's fine too. I'm too lazy to care either way.

Microsoft and Nintendo chose PowerPC because they are powerful and also resource efficient. Sony hasn't been making smart decisions lately, so I doubt they will follow what their competitors are doing.

Carrying on with the Cell processor might have been the smarter choice, not only for the sake of backwards compatibility with the PS3, but also because its supposed to be more powerful and better than traditional processors. Sony invested a lot of money in it so it seems wasteful to just kick it to the curb.

Oh and as far as proof for them abandoning it goes, how about the Vita? They could have went with a cell processor for that, but they didn't. Guess they no longer think its as awesome as Kutaragi made it out to be back in 2006. That along with UMD, MiniDisc, Memory Sticks, Betamax, and a long line of other dead end Sony crap are now in the dustbin of history.


Betamax was over 30 years ago. No one cared about MiniDisc because CD's were far more popular. UMD was dead from the beginning because it sucked battery life and made the PSP more fragile if dropped.


Sony has had plenty of flops, but they've also had plenty of successful products:


Blu-Ray - They were the format's biggest supporter, and including it in the PS3 practically ensured that it would become successful.


CD and DVD - They helped design the CD and DVD with Philips.


PlayStation - Sony wouldn't be nearly as successful if they never made the PlayStation, which revolutionized gaming in the 1990's.


PlayStation 2 - The success of the PS1 carried over to the PS2. The hype was unstoppable.


PSP - The only major handheld that has successfully competed with Nintendo.


Walkman - The iPod of the 1980's, the Walkman created the portable music market.

Sony may be behind Samsung and LG in the technology forefront, but the Sony brand is still very valuable to many people.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 24, 2012, 09:29:37 PM
It's not really accurate to say Sony helped create the DVD format. What happened was Sony and Philips had one standard, Toshiba, Time Warner, Matsushita Electric, Hitachi, Mitsubishi Electric, Pioneer, Thomson, and JVC backed another. When the Toshiba led group approached IBM for help, IBM and a group of companies (including Apple, Microsoft, and Sun MicroSystems) wanted to avoid a VHS/Betamax type of war and threatened to boycott both formats unless the two groups came together to create one format.
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Post by: Louieturkey on July 25, 2012, 07:25:22 PM
It's not really accurate to say Sony helped create the DVD format. What happened was Sony and Philips had one standard, Toshiba, Time Warner, Matsushita Electric, Hitachi, Mitsubishi Electric, Pioneer, Thomson, and JVC backed another. When the Toshiba led group approached IBM for help, IBM and a group of companies (including Apple, Microsoft, and Sun MicroSystems) wanted to avoid a VHS/Betamax type of war and threatened to boycott both formats unless the two groups came together to create one format.
Too bad that didn't work for high definition disks.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 29, 2012, 10:51:45 AM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-curious-case-of-the-durango-devkit-leak

Also  Was under the impression that the reason why Sony bought Gaikai was because lack of BC between PS3 and PS4. Being able to run all that software through the cloud would be a aorta of solution tl the problem.

Also I'm in the beta for the new xbox dashboard and I'd be happy happy if the 720 OS is a more refined version

(http://i.imgur.com/WyU85.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7CSPFh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gWfrth.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/MMadwh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/tU57zh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/wXFCMh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KpZDBh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QgyQQh.jpg)
 
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Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2012, 11:08:56 AM
Looks good but I wish it took up a lot more of the screen.  Metro really shines when it fully uses the space.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 29, 2012, 03:05:58 PM
That looks pretty much exactly like the current dashboard, which seams to be be universally hated by Xbox 360 owners (and for good reason, it's pretty terrible and slow).
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Post by: nickmitch on July 29, 2012, 04:39:39 PM
Hopefully they made it faster. It certainly looks like it's organized better. I think that's the biggest turn-off for me with 360 interface.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 29, 2012, 06:10:28 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-curious-case-of-the-durango-devkit-leak (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-curious-case-of-the-durango-devkit-leak)



There is no way Microsoft is going back to NVIDIA for the Xbox "720" GPU. If you read Dean Takahashi's "The Xbox Uncloaked", you'd learn that Microsoft and NVIDIA had a falling-out during the original Xbox's production that resulted in MS teaming up with ATI/AMD.


And Microsoft will probably design custom chips for the next Xbox, the same way they designed custom chips for the Xbox 360. They want to control how the chips are designed, manufactured, downsized, etc. Makes it much easier to plan a hardware price-drop when you can simply design a more efficient chip yourself.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 30, 2012, 10:04:26 AM
So Microsofts Build Conference has finally been dated for October 30th to November the 2nd.
http://www.buildwindows.com

There's a slight chance that we could see the new xbox there. With Microsoft dropping out of CES and wanting to control their own press it seems like the logical place to show off the new xbox along with the rest of microsofts product ecosystem.

(http://www.uicentric.net/imgs/devices_03.jpg)


Given its pretty obvious that the Nextbox will be running some varient of windows 8 it seems like ot would be pretty obvious to announce the next piece in the Microsoft family. During this years CES keynote Microsoft showed off thief three consumer facing branches (Windows 8,Windows phone and xbox)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=KlPw3t1khHs

While a good chunck of the first Keynote will be about Windows 8 (launching days before) and Windows phone 8 (launching sometime in November) that still probably isn't enough to fill pit the two hours that the first keynote is. From a timing Standpoint it could be a good move also. With Windows 8/Windows Phone 8 out the door you already have a solid base and with all of the xbox's fall lineup out save for Halo 4 out you don't have to worry about the canabalization of sales from people deciding to wait. You then get a pretty decent reveal frame like

Xbox 720 reveal at build-October 2012
First Xbox 720 game footage at spike VGAs- December 2012
Next big reveal at GDC/X12- March 2012
E3 720 blowout- June 2012
720 release date-November 2012

Seeing az how build is a developer eve t and last year's had a few xbox live sessions it seems that it would take advantve of tthe massive hype.
 
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Post by: Ceric on July 30, 2012, 09:24:42 PM
Microsoft will focus on Windows 8 and Windows Phone.  XBox is a large brand from them and will easily eat news of both of those.  Especially Windows Phone.  They don't need to compete with themselves.  The Last 3/4 of next year will be the Nexbox.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 30, 2012, 10:37:31 PM
You never know. We didn't know the surface was going to be announced wither.

And while Xbox may trumpet Windows phone I doubt it would overshadow windows 8. While most game blots would be over most tech sites would do one or two wrote ups on it and focus on windows.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 31, 2012, 09:11:24 PM
You never know. We didn't know the surface was going to be announced wither.

And while Xbox may trumpet Windows phone I doubt it would overshadow windows 8. While most game blots would be over most tech sites would do one or two wrote ups on it and focus on windows.


I don't get you sometimes. You seem to be a huge fan of Microsoft, yet I also see you praising Sony and Nintendo.


So who do you like more? Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo?
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Post by: bustin98 on July 31, 2012, 09:38:04 PM
Why does he have to like one over the others?
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 01, 2012, 12:45:09 AM
I had an idea. What if MS made an Xbox720 lite version, that had no optical drive and a small ssd vs a hard drive? It would play XBLA games and being a streaming box to compete with Apple TV and Roku. They could sell it super cheap.
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Post by: Stogi on August 01, 2012, 03:55:16 AM
It would still cost quite a bit of money because XBLA games can still take advantage of all of the processing power that disc-based games can. Unless XBLA games are forced to not take advantage of the superior hardware, then I do not see it being super-cheap.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 01, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
Eh I'd say it would be fair to say I lean towards Microsoft. But growing up nintendo I have a softspot for them. That and liking a company doesn't mean I think everything they do is perfect or I have to dislike others.

Though I have had my fanboy moments like proclaiming smartglass is better than the gamepad (I still sort of think so) and I think Microsoft is in the best shape going into next gen and have a way more compelling ecosystem than nintendo and Sony do.

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Post by: ShyGuy on August 01, 2012, 09:01:42 PM
If that's true then Windows 8 is the gulf oil spill.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 01, 2012, 10:14:25 PM
Every Xbox 360 dasboard update is worse than the previous one. I understand they want to "keep it fresh," but it really gets worse every single time.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 01, 2012, 10:32:13 PM
I think NXE was better than the the original dashboard. Metro is the first one that is actually worse.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 01, 2012, 10:38:24 PM
I think NXE was better than the the original dashboard. Metro is the first one that is actually worse.

I agree with you there, but would also say that none of them have been good, the NXE was just the least bad of the three.

I'd take Nintendo's overall menu interfaces on Wii and 3DS over anyone else's. The XMB, while not pretty, is effective at getting around if you know what you're looking for. I really hate the Vita menu, though.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 02, 2012, 03:52:45 AM
Microsoft is in the best shape going into next gen and have a way more compelling ecosystem

A more compelling ecosystem? Dude, they killed off Netscape and a bunch of other competitors by being a monopoly and violating anti-trust laws. Saying Microsoft has a more compelling ecosystem is like saying Australia's ecosystem benefited from the introduction of the Fox. Its simply not true.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 02, 2012, 04:04:20 AM
That's an awful analogy, and the whole line of thinking is irrelevant to what he's saying.

I don't agree with shingi, however, because I don't think Microsoft is that well-liked by publishers. I think their main advantage is the sales lead they had over Sony, as well as the series of moneyhats they've given out. They were merely the least flawed of this generation of consoles, from a developer's point of view. If somebody else comes along with a compelling alternative, whether it's Nintendo or Sony or whomever, I don't expect to see that much loyalty to Microsoft outside of a few exceptions.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 02, 2012, 07:18:29 AM
One thing Sony taught us with the PS3 and Nintendo taught us with the N64 is that no matter how popular or dominant your console was in the last generation, it will have little impact on the success of your current console. This also works the other way around too, because look how Nintendo was able to go from the Gamecube which sold only 20 million LTD to the Wii which has sold almost 100 million LTD.

Just because the X360 (or Wii, depending on how you look at it) was the most successful console this generation, that doesn't mean its successor is going to be the same way. Maybe after the beating Sony took they've learned a few things and adapted and maybe they will bounce back? Maybe Microsoft and Nintendo have become arrogant due to their success and have walked into some blunders that will cause them to do less well this time around? Who really knows. Aside from PS1-PS2 and arguable NES-SNES there has been no time in video game history where a successor was able to carry on with the dominance of its predecessor. Its happened, but its only happened once or twice, so its the exception rather than the rule.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 02, 2012, 08:23:18 AM
Eh I didn't like last year's version. Of metro that much but been playing around with the beta and its been really good thus far.  Though I'm also not the biggest fan of Nintendo and Sony's GUI'S either as they seem to have been an after though it the making. Wish vita would have stuck with XMB or went with android.


Also a. Company using shady tactics doesn't mean I wont use their products or that them have a compelling ecosystem is t tire. Apple has been abusing the patent system and Google mines users for ad data and Inever hear complaining about that (well I do with google) but that isn't going to stop me from using my ipod or Google+.


And I mean look at it this way

Windows 8
Windows RT
Windows Phone
Xbox Music and Video
Skydrive
Office
Skype
Outlook


Thats a pretty compelling ecosystem and not even all of it. Microsoft couldn't have some serious advantages going into next gen if they leverage Skydrive as the 720's cloud system. I have 25GB of cloud storgae that I use mostly for photos and documents if they allowed me too use my skydrive data that would be great and since Microsoft seems to be pushing connectivity and save transfer between their platforms it would make sense.

Same thing with leveraging skype. I remember seeing the miiverse video and honestly laughing at the video chat feature (mostly because of the weird put the controller down and use that implementation) seeing as how kinect 2.0 has a high chance of launching with the 720 having skype at launch would be a pretty big selling point.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on August 02, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
I think you also have to take into account the cooling attitude of the "hardcore gamer" contingent against Microsoft. If you scan the comments sections on news stories on Gamespot you'll see a lot of people bitching about how Microsoft sold them out for the Kinect and multi-media functionality, and that they'd prefer to just go PC only at this point. Anecdotal evidence, but Microsoft really has shifted gears, and there was bound to be some blowback, though it's more surprising to me that anyone ever thought Microsoft was really was "down" with the core and not just sociopathically chasing market dominance.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 02, 2012, 01:40:02 PM
See Microsoft "didn't abandon the core" they just decided to expand their customer base and it worked and they are probably going to end this Gen at #2. And its not like Sony didn't try this either with move. The only difference was move flopped and Sony quickly decided to become the company for the gamers. Personally I'm a big fan of all the media functions of the xbox and I probably spend more time on that stuff than gaming as of late.

Though how does one constitute how core a system is. While Sony has more retail exclusives microsoft has way more arcade exclusives. This year alone a good number of titles have come out for the system. But people tend to ignore xbla for somereason and kinect seasme street TV and Kinect neon vat TV wont count either.


Reminds me of the people on RPS and Gaf for shifting on the skulls of the shogun devs for going windows 8 exclusive instead of steam.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 02, 2012, 02:40:52 PM
Move flopped because Sony quietly let it loose like a fart in the wind, and then nothing more was ever said about it or done with it. There was like one Kevin Butler commercial for a short time and that was it. Meanwhile, Microsoft has been pushing Kinect really hard, and that's why they've managed to carve out a market for it. Sony's problem with Move was they didn't try.
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Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2012, 03:04:51 PM
Or that move isn't as good as an original Wiimote most of the time in implementation.  At least from my experience.

Microsoft may lose the core to the PC according to that comment.  If you want to game you own a ... Windows PC.  You just shifting to something that does make MS less money per invested person but, still makes them money.
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Post by: SonofMrPeanut on August 02, 2012, 05:50:13 PM
Move flopped because Sony quietly let it loose like a fart in the wind, and then nothing more was ever said about it or done with it. There was like one Kevin Butler commercial for a short time and that was it. Meanwhile, Microsoft has been pushing Kinect really hard, and that's why they've managed to carve out a market for it. Sony's problem with Move was they didn't try.


Which is really sad, considering they were sitting on the tech since 2000 when a prototype was demoed. 
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 02, 2012, 08:37:12 PM
Kind of related but here's some of the gaming stuff in windows 8 looks like

(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-SmartGlass-1.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-SmartGlass-2.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-SmartGlass-3.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-Music-1.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-Music-2.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-Music-3.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-Video-1.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-Video-2.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-Video-3.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-Games-1.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-Games-2.png)
(http://liveside.net/wp-content/images/2012/08/Xbox-Games-3.png)


Played with a few of the features.

The play to is pretty cool. I can throw any video,audio,or photo file and it will playbon the xbox. Ot also works in apps as I used the CW app to test it. Oddly enough it didn't work with my podcast app :(. Coolest feature is that it doesnt have to go I to any special app to play. I threw a youtube video to the xbox and it played it in the xbox video player without having to go into the youtube app. You can set it to play whatever you want or don't play if your playing a game.

The xbox Video app uses the cloud to tell were your at. Started a movie on my xbox and paused went to my Win 8 Pc and started where the xbox was paused from. Also I noticed the xbox music app wasn't finished as it didn't have the playlist interface like the windows 8 version had.

Couldn't test the smartglass stuff as that it isn't in the Win 8 release preview. Did play with the companion app which is a very striped down smartglass and all it does is allow me to control the dashboard.

The Xbox Live app currently allows me to start games from windows 8 (clicking play on say fez will start it up on the xbox) as well as buy xbox live games for windows 8 as well as the xbox which will start a download on my console.  Also not expecting the spotlight to be filled with 360 games after win8 launches expect most of those to be xbox live metro games with maybe a tab for say halo 4.
 
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Post by: Shaymin on August 02, 2012, 09:19:26 PM
Wait, there were games in that giant wall of ads?
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 02, 2012, 09:29:19 PM
What wall of ads?
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 02, 2012, 10:15:18 PM
Too bad major game developers hate Windows 8. Valve, Notch at Mojang, Blizzard.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 03, 2012, 08:52:09 AM
Notch cleared up what he meant. He likes the OS but Bates the store.


I couldn't care less what Gabe or the Blizzard guy thinks and neither thankfully does the average consumer. Those guys are just rightfully trying to protect their storefronts which are now getting major competition from the Windows Store. That and I hear stuff from others talking about how win8 is being closed which is t true. But even if ot was I never hear complaints about Mac osx becoming more closed with the gate keeper set to defualt to only apple certified devs and Mac app store Content being downloaded in mountain lion.

And windows 8 will be a success. Vista was considered a failure and it still sold over 380 million copies and became hoar of the consumer space about a year after it goes out.


The only good this g to come os this os making vavle speed up the process o. Their Linux client. Now they just have to convince game makers and oems to develop for steam. While
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Post by: oohhboy on August 03, 2012, 10:36:49 AM
The Mac App store Sucks. I don't use it, it has nothing I want, it's a hassle, it's expensive and offers absolutely no benefit to me or the developer. It has all the weakness of the iOS store with none of the strengths. The vast majority of the apps on my computer is open sourced, something MAS forbids. Even a year on, the vast majority of Apps have no reviews and those that do have 1 ~ 3. MAS is only there to push Apple and large developer apps. When was the last time this happened (http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/one_of_the_games_from_the_humble_indie_bundle_coun.php) on Steam? The MS store will suffer the same fate as GFWL which just happens to also suck.

Gatekeeper is an extension of the quarantine mode from at least 10.6 which is there to protect you from opening something that might have executable code. When I do upgrade to Mountain Lion the first thing I would do is to dial it down. While I am wary of the default policy for the individual user, it is a very useful tool to have in a large scale deployment situation where an admin can whitelist applications. It's really basically a more user friendly UAC. shingi, you basically completely misunderstood what Gatekeeper is. You now have the option to close it, but for most people there is no need to.

Since they can't lockdown the Mac without effectively fucking off every Mac user, just buy whatever direct from the developer. Apps on Mac uses the Sparkle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkle_%28software%29) framework for self updates so there is no need to attach it to a store for updates. For Mac Apps there is no reason to shop on MAS ever.

Windows continues to sell because as unfortunate as it is, large chunks of the world runs on it. Most companies can't move away from it due to size or is so far integrated into the day to day operations, you can't. Also for some places like banking it's so critical, they were still using computers from the 1960's in COBOL (http://www.smh.com.au/business/perils-of-updating-beatlesera-banking-20110322-1c4db.html) in the year of our lord 2011. Indiana Jones with an Ethernet cable whip would be fitting look working with those systems. Linux is slowly making inroads in the backend as servers, but like everything else it will take time.

Also, are you typing your posts on a phone? It's a complete mess. If I didn't know any better i would have thought you are a member of the 50 cent club.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 03, 2012, 11:02:41 PM
I haven't had any problems with the Mac App Store. I like that it's there, and have bought a lot of software from it. So long as it remains optional, I think it's a really nice component of the OS.
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Post by: Ceric on August 03, 2012, 11:43:02 PM
I have constant problems with that store... Apple has somehow found a way to mess up my AppleID every time I try to use it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 04, 2012, 12:42:25 AM
The one issue with it is the same as with the iOS App Store, and that's that it's not easy to find anything on it. Most everything I've bought on the store I bought after reading up on it elsewhere and going straight for it, often from a link in the review.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 05, 2012, 05:45:17 AM
ROFL (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19108952)!
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 08, 2012, 12:40:47 PM
http://www.buildwindows.com/

So the build website opened up today and it looks like the Xbox is going to be a big focus. Notice they don't say xbox 360 but just xbox. We also geta look at the new xbox logo along with the other logos.

(http://cdn.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/imagecache/large/postimages/15741/newplogo.png)

Also more Smartglass screens
(http://www.technodaily.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/xbox-smartglass-1.png)
(http://www.technodaily.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/xbox-smartglass-2.png)
(http://www.technodaily.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/xbox-smartglass-3.png)
(http://www.technodaily.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/xbox-smartglass-4.png)
(http://www.technodaily.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/xbox-smartglass-5.png)
(http://www.technodaily.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/xbox-smartglass-6.png)
(http://www.technodaily.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-07-at-19.16.01.png)
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 09, 2012, 10:36:28 AM
http://www.buildwindows.com/ (http://www.buildwindows.com/)

So the build website opened up today and it looks like the Xbox is going to be a big focus. Notice they don't say xbox 360 but just xbox. We also geta look at the new xbox logo along with the other logos.



Why is TechDaily's site name plastered all over those pictures? And I don't see what's new about the Xbox logo, it looks the same as the current one.


EDIT: You know, I'm really warming up to that "Metro" interface. Microsoft is going for product integration, which will help them build a recognizeable brand. It's very similar to what Apple has been doing these past few years.



And I noticed that Google is somewhat copying "Metro's" clean, stylized look with their software. The Google Play web store looks very "Metro" inspired.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 12, 2012, 10:44:50 AM
Some dude name Daemon supposedly has a 720 devkit. Or at least built a Pc with the specs the dev kits are supposed to have and somehow got the XDK software on to it he's selling it on ebay and digital foundry seems to back up his claims that's its a real dev kit.

 http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/10/3232827/kinect-2-image-leak-detail-depth-rumor?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-32IlX1uTY6A/UCSTsqjcF9I/AAAAAAAAAa0/O8eQ0g1qhAI/s1600/Az52BqxCAAAEPLN%252B%2525281%252529.jpg)

Quote
It's hard to tell whether the image is real, but one of our own sources says this is a genuine test sample. Microsoft is working with the Durango Xbox Development Kit (XDK) and the user interface is the same as shown in the picture, according to one person familiar with Microsoft's Durango work. Microsoft's testing involves a focus on depth and movement data, something shown in the picture.

 http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-curious-case-of-the-durango-devkit-leak

(http://images.eurogamer.net/2012/articles//a/1/5/0/2/2/4/8/Durango0.jpg.jpg/EG11/resize/300x-1)

Dude is taking a pretty big gamble by putting it on ebay. Dude could face a ton of legal issue but anything Microsoft does will confrim that the kit is indeed real.


There was also a job posting that was posted and delted this week alluding to the the next xbox being launched in late 2013.

Also some screens of the Windows 8 RTM
(http://i.imgur.com/bAZTF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v9ykM.png)


I mean the 720 has to be hitting next year. This has been a pretty good year for exclusives this year and it doesn't look like there is anything on tap for next year expect Gears Judgement and some arcade games.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 14, 2012, 03:47:29 PM
Who knew the new Xbox would have more leaks than the PS4/Orbis?  Sony has always had a problem with info being leaked long before they want to announce it.  This time around, M$ is the one trying to dance around the leaks.
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Post by: Shaymin on August 14, 2012, 06:35:37 PM
Perhaps Sony's got nothing to leak?
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 16, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
So more rumors that's the xbox 720 will be running windows 8.
http://www.thefuturepost.com/gaming/more-news-that-next-xbox-may-be-a-modified-windows-8-pc-349.html

Also Windows 8 RTM went out yesterday and some new screens
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/windows-8-lock-screenrtm.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-19-1345045530.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-18-1345045530.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-20.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-23.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-24.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-25.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-26.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-27.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-29.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/08/screenshot-32.jpg)


Looks like the pinbsll game has been replaced by pinball FX. (Zen pinball for everyone else)


Also there is going to be a wiwindows phone 8 event the 5th. And it seems the Microsoft ecosystem supports cloud saves as well as minesweeper and friends are going to windows phone.
(http://i.imgur.com/OCg7C.png?1)
 

Also looks like EA already has next gen dev kits.
 http://m.ign.com/articles/2012/08/16/ea-labels-president-ive-seen-ps4-and-xbox-720
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 16, 2012, 09:26:30 PM
So that means Next Xbox will come with a touch screen?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 16, 2012, 09:34:39 PM
See Microsoft "didn't abandon the core" they just decided to expand their customer base and it worked and they are probably going to end this Gen at #2.


So Microsoft pulled a Nintendo? Ironic.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 16, 2012, 09:38:22 PM

Also looks like EA already has next gen dev kits.
 http://m.ign.com/articles/2012/08/16/ea-labels-president-ive-seen-ps4-and-xbox-720 (http://m.ign.com/articles/2012/08/16/ea-labels-president-ive-seen-ps4-and-xbox-720)


That article said nothing about EA having dev kits. EA's president simply said that he had "seen" the next Xbox and PS4. That article was too vague, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that dev kits are out in the wild.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 16, 2012, 09:40:17 PM
So that means Next Xbox will come with a touch screen?

Wouldn't it be funny if they had been planning that all along to go with their interface, and then Nintendo showed the Wii U last year which would make it look like Microsoft was just copying Nintendo?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 16, 2012, 10:15:59 PM

Also looks like EA already has next gen dev kits.
 http://m.ign.com/articles/2012/08/16/ea-labels-president-ive-seen-ps4-and-xbox-720 (http://m.ign.com/articles/2012/08/16/ea-labels-president-ive-seen-ps4-and-xbox-720)


That article said nothing about EA having dev kits. EA's president simply said that he had "seen" the next Xbox and PS4. That article was too vague, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that dev kits are out in the wild.

But dev kits are out in the wild....
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 16, 2012, 10:29:07 PM
If either of them is coming out next year, dev kits have to be out at this point, unless they don't plan on launching with any software.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 16, 2012, 11:46:44 PM
See Microsoft "didn't abandon the core" they just decided to expand their customer base and it worked and they are probably going to end this Gen at #2.


So Microsoft pulled a Nintendo? Ironic.

 
See Microsoft "didn't abandon the core" they just decided to expand their customer base and it worked and they are probably going to end this Gen at #2.


So Microsoft pulled a Nintendo? Ironic.

More like taking a lage out of nintendo well throughout playbooks. Microsoft just decided to focus on serrvices instead of casuel games. Xbla still has a lot of core games so it balances out.


Published by Microsoft this year

Retail
 Halo 4
Forza Horizon
Fable: The Journey
Dance Central 3
Kinect Sports: Ultimate Collection
Kinect Sesame Street TV
Kinect Nat Geo TV
Nike+ Kinect Training
Kinect Star Wars
Witcher 2
Steel Battalion. Heavy Armor

Arcade
Charlie Murder
Super Time Force
Dragon's Lair
Alan Wake's American Nightmare
South Park: Tenorman's Revenge
Fable Heroes
Deadlight
Sine Mora
Dungeon Fighter Live
Bloodforge
Fez
The Splatters
Joe Danger: The Movie
Haunt
Happy Action Theater
Spelunky
Skulls of the Shogun
Trials Evolution
BattleBlock Theater
Fire Pro Wrestling
Dust: An Elysian Tail
Diabolical Pitch
Crimson Dragon
Minecraft
Mark of the Ninja
Wreckateer
 Joy Ride Turbo
Avatar Motocross Madness
Happy Wars
Hybrid
Castlestrom
Untitled music game
Mush
wordamont
Shoot1up
Foul play

I'd say Sony has also done well in this regard with alot of core M titles launching earlier this year and the holiday season being very nintendoish.

Also on EA its been rumored that they have had early 720 dev kits since E3 2011.

Anywho was thinking about Microsoft and building up for next gen. They have a tton of really good franchises that could be utilised wisely. The biggest being would be the Shadowrun Universe. If I were Microsoft I would be looking at picking up the developers who's lisencing the IP from me.

Have Hairbrained Schemes begin working on a sequel to ShadowRun returns for xbox and PC download.
Port Shadowrun online to 720.
Have a developer such as Obsidian begin working on a big budget RPG. (Obsdian was rumored to be working on a 720 game that got canned. Maybe the success of the southpark game and obsdian being a cheap buy would start that project again)

Microsoft would alsoxbe purchasing Hairbrained schemes and have them be over the dhadpwrun IP and have pretty much free regin what to do with the series in the same way 343i has with Halo.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 17, 2012, 12:51:34 AM
If either of them is coming out next year, dev kits have to be out at this point, unless they don't plan on launching with any software.

From what I was told (by a credible source), was that they are both planned to come out next year, but Xbox may slip into 2014.

Another rumor I heard (from the internets) was that MS scrapped or revamped whatever it was they were planning, to go with something completely different (different chips at the last minute?), and that Xbox may slip into early 2014 because of it.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 17, 2012, 02:21:10 AM
It would benefit their bottom line to let it slip to 2014. Sony too, really.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 17, 2012, 03:43:02 AM
It would benefit their bottom line to let it slip to 2014. Sony too, really.

It would also benefit Nintendo's bottom line. So its a win-win for everyone.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 17, 2012, 08:59:18 AM
The 720 and PS4 could both easily slip into 2014 but it wouldn't be the interest to either involved. For Microsoft they want to try everything to dodge the third console curse. That and they don't wa t to give nintendo a two year headstart. The biggest reason is currently Microsoft owns the living room in north America with all of the services and TV apps the leaked Microsoft document pretty much confrimed that the next xbox will have a more focus on that as well as games. With the Nexus Q being delayed to "make it better" and heavily investing in better youtube channels and the next apple TV being poised to finally tackle the app and cable issues it seems Microsoft would be daft not to release the follow up in what is going to be a growing sector in the tech space thatit already has a lead in.

That's where the two rumored sky's probably come into place.

Though if anyone is going to launch in 2014 its going to be Sony.
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Post by: Do_What on August 17, 2012, 11:01:47 AM
Microsoft is releasing a new console next year. It only makes sense from where their products are. They're releasing a bunch of stuff at the end of this year and if there's any success with windows 8 and windows phone 8 and so forth they'll want to carry that momentum into next year.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 17, 2012, 02:46:14 PM
Yeah I'm guessing its going to be announced this year either at build or the vgas. Why else would microsoft have a spotlight on the xbox at a. Developers confrence.


Also really hoping they open up the app building sdk open to the general dev community. Would make surfing contentabetter experience than just opening up youtube. Having different apps for different media outlets orwebsites would be great.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 17, 2012, 05:06:50 PM
Is it just me or is shingi_70 a big Microsoft fan?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 17, 2012, 07:24:04 PM
Is it just me or is shingi_70 a big Microsoft fan?


Rhetorical question? Everyone here knows shingi_70 is a big Microsoft fan.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 23, 2012, 05:10:24 PM
So microsoft unveiled their new logo today

(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5142552/mslogo_large_extra_large.jpg)

As well as neowin made a diagram showing all of the new microsoft product logos.

(http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/microsoft-brand-family-2012-2.png)

 http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/microsoft-brand-family-2012-3.png

And all of microsofts games for the fall have been dated.

Kinect Seasme Street TV - September 16th
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Kinect_Sesame_Street_TV_cover.png)

Kinect Nat Geo TV - September 18th
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/Kinect_Nat_Geo_TV_cover.png)

Kinect Sports: Ultimate Edtion - September 18th
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61FAVIRcHpL._SX300_.jpg)

Fable The Journey - October 9th
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Fable_Journey.jpg)

Dance Central 3 - October 16th
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61NM5fRH8ML._SX300_.jpg)

Forza Horizon - October 23rd
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/Forza_Horizon_boxart.jpg)

Nike+ Kinect Training - October 30th
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IWcfIy9DL._SX300_.jpg)

Halo 4 - November 6th
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Halo_4_box_artwork.png)


Also kinect got a $40 price drop to prepare for the wii u launch.
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Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2012, 05:19:17 PM
2 of those games are different.
2 of those games don't belong.





Also NOOOOOOO.  There getting rid of my Penguiny looking Outlook logo on Phone 7.
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 23, 2012, 06:06:23 PM
Looking at the Kinect games, are they all casual bullshit because this is all the concept is capable of or is it just that that's what MS (and pretty much everybody) associates motion control with and thus it's self-fulfilling prophecy?  If Nintendo launched the Wii with something like Metroid Prime 3 or Skyward Sword instead of Wii Sports would this all be different?

"TV you can play!" sounds like some slogan a marketer would have come up with in the 70's to sell home versions of Pong.  Yeah, we've been "playing our TVs" for a long time already, Microsoft.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 23, 2012, 08:44:36 PM
Looking at the Kinect games, are they all casual bullshit because this is all the concept is capable of or is it just that that's what MS (and pretty much everybody) associates motion control with and thus it's self-fulfilling prophecy?  If Nintendo launched the Wii with something like Metroid Prime 3 or Skyward Sword instead of Wii Sports would this all be different?

"TV you can play!" sounds like some slogan a marketer would have come up with in the 70's to sell home versions of Pong.  Yeah, we've been "playing our TVs" for a long time already, Microsoft.

Out of all those games, the only ones that appeal to the traditional Xbox audience are Forza and Halo 4. Way to s.h.i.t all over your fanbase Microsoft.

Oh the irony. Nintendo is going after the "core" gamers with the Wii U, while Microsoft has turned a complete 180* and shifted focus towards casual games. Sony has a good balance between the two.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 23, 2012, 09:03:49 PM
But it is TV you interact with

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqKcSN2bpH4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsbsrikk1A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlDRLH2oyNs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwbyam95NMQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player


A far more intresting use of. The technology than what the wiimote was doing. The fable game is a core game I guess.  Also just because a game isn't targeting us doesn't means automaticlly bullshit.


Also looks like Microsoft has started its advertising campagin for the surface tablets in williamsburg

(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5150660/surface_wall_ad6_large_verge_medium_landscape.jpg)
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5150620/surface_wall_ad9_gallery_post.jpg)
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5150688/surface_wall_ad2_gallery_post.jpg)


Also microsoft is launching an election hub 360 app next week. Its going to allow people to follow the election as well as hopefully livestream the debates.

 http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/8/23/3263278/election-2012-hub-xbox-live-microsoft-interactive-tv-polling
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5149849/Election_Home_3_large_verge_medium_landscape.jpg)
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 23, 2012, 09:21:50 PM


Out of all those games, the only ones that appeals to the traditional Xbox audience are Forza and Halo 4. Way to s.h.i.t all over your fanbase Microsoft.

Oh the irony. Nintendo is going after the "core" gamers with the Wii U, while Microsoft has turned a complete 180* and shifted focus towards casual games. Sony has a good balance between the two.

Because Wii Fit U and Sing are so very hardcore.

Microsoft has been keeping the core contained with xbla this year man.

Alan Wake's American Nightmare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWCNOJK1DQs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Trails Evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43tj8X7dQ2s&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Bloodforge
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir6K66nu6WM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Fable Heroes
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Op35vRN48&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Dust: an elysian tale
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Op35vRN48&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Mark of Ninja
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdtsVb9P9Ko&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Crimson Dragon
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wTg7LLrfII&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Haunt
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAA1N7_Tzo0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Diabolical pitch
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8H-DgAZGpg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Spelunky
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rprWoV38j2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 23, 2012, 09:28:09 PM
Shovelware, waggle games, tired sequels; Microsoft is really following the Nintendo playbook!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 23, 2012, 09:31:39 PM
Way to s.h.i.t all over your fanbase Microsoft.

Don't bypass the filter. Either turn it off in your forum profile or deal with the censored version.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 23, 2012, 09:31:56 PM
Fable Heroes is hardly "hardcore", it's pretty casual (and has a mediocre 55 average). All of those are Xbox Live Arcade games (so the 35% of non-online 360 owners can't get them), and most of them are not actually developed by them, so they are barely involved. Only 2 of their retail games for the rest of the year are "core" games, which is sad.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 23, 2012, 09:38:37 PM
Way to s.h.i.t all over your fanbase Microsoft.

Don't bypass the filter. Either turn it off in your forum profile or deal with the censored version.

I went to my profile and couldn't find a way to turn off the filter. There wasn't a link.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 23, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
Way to s.h.i.t all over your fanbase Microsoft.

Don't bypass the filter. Either turn it off in your forum profile or deal with the censored version.

I went to my profile and couldn't find a way to turn off the filter. There wasn't a link.

My mistake, it's under the Look and Layout section. I went ahead and turned it off for you.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 23, 2012, 09:52:12 PM
What makes fable heroes non hardcore.

Exclusive content is exclusive content. Microsoft does fund most of those games though.

Id consider most of sonys psn content a boon and its not done internally either.

Still find it ironic that people are calling games shovelware just because of the platform on a nintendo website.

Also another surface ad has surfaced.
 (http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/screen%20shot%202012-08-23%20at%208.53.48%20pm.png)
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 23, 2012, 09:55:31 PM
What makes fable heroes non hardcore.

Exclusive content is exclusive content. Microsoft does fund most of those games though.

Id consider most of sonys psn content a boon and its not done internally either.

Still find it ironic that people are calling games shovelware just because of the platform on a nintendo website.

It doesn't matter what platform it is, shovelware = casual. And most of Sony's games are developed by their internal studios, same as Nintendo. Microsoft seems keen on publishing games for 3rd party companies. Their 1st-party output is rather poor.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 23, 2012, 10:32:23 PM
Kinect Seasme Street TV - September 16th
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Kinect_Sesame_Street_TV_cover.png)

Is it just me or is there something disturbing about that cover which shows some disembodied head floating in the air looking like its chasing after Elmo, and look how Elmo notices the threat this severed head poses and how he trying to evade it. Meanwhile, the little girl seems to be directing that severed floating head to attack Elmo. The way it all looks just seems kinda messed up to me.

It does say "Rating Pending" though, so maybe it isn't really a kiddie game? Maybe its some M rated survival horror game or something?

ETA: And why is Grover in the little girl's living room making off with a box of potatoes? WTF is up with that?
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Post by: ThePerm on August 23, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
LOL, Chozo Ghost. THat reminds me of....

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Post by: Kytim89 on August 23, 2012, 11:46:17 PM
How many of these Kinect games are being developed by Rare? They could be making Killer Instinct 3 but Microsoft would rather them make kiddie games.
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Post by: Sarail on August 23, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
I could have sworn that Nintendo hold the rights to Killer Instinct...
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Post by: ThePerm on August 24, 2012, 12:59:13 AM
there was a KI reference in grabbed by the ghoulies
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 24, 2012, 01:13:48 AM
How many of these Kinect games are being developed by Rare? They could be making Killer Instinct 3 but Microsoft would rather them make kiddie games.

That's because Microsoft is evolving into a Kiddie company with Kiddie priorities.

I foresee the "dude broes" COD/Halo crowd to get fed up with them and migrate to either the Wii U or the PS4 (or both).
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Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 01:33:46 AM
That will never happen. Xbox is very much still considered to the hardest of the hardcore.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 24, 2012, 01:40:46 AM
That will never happen. Xbox is very much still considered to the hardest of the hardcore.

People said the same thing about Rare. Now look at them. Things change.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 24, 2012, 07:48:11 AM
How many of these Kinect games are being developed by Rare? They could be making Killer Instinct 3 but Microsoft would rather them make kiddie games.

Kinect Sesame Street TV is from Microsoft Studios - Soho Production.
Kinect Nat Geo TV is from Relentless Software (12 of their 18 games have been Sony's "Buzz" games)
Kinect Sports: Ultimate Edition is just a compilation of the first two Kinect Sports games
Fable: The Journey is from Lionhead Studios
Dance Central 3 is from Harmonix
Forza Horizon is from Playground Games and Turn 10 Studios
Nike+ Kinect Training is from Sumo Digital
Halo 4 is from 343 Industries

Rare hasn't really made a "kiddy" game, just more casual games that probably sell better than KI would. The only title on that list made by Rare, and that is just putting 2 of their previous games together in one package.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 24, 2012, 08:15:55 AM
Its stupid how Microsoft seemed so determined to own Rare, but now that they do they are making very poor use of them. The stuff they are making Rare do is stuff that any second rate studio could throw together. I understand the bulk of the core talent is gone, but Microsoft owns the Rare IPs. Why not put them to some use for christsake? Otherwise they might as well have just made a new studio from scratch and staffed it with random nobodys.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 24, 2012, 08:31:41 AM
Does it matter if the games are first party though. As a gamer unless your a uber fanboy it shouldn't. Because in most cases the pub is still paying for the game and most likely keeps the IP. Alotof goodnintendo games have been done by third parties and my favorite sony franchise Rachnet and Clank is done by a studio that sony does not own.

And microsoft bought rare to make money. Kinect sports would make more money than killer insticnt because of the market its aimed at as well as the fighter market is over stuffed.

The good news is that Rare has been working on next gen for two years now. Kinect sports 2 was done by a smaller team with help from Bigpark who did most of the work and dlc. the collection also seems tobe done by a small team. That coupled with the job postings of rare working on three next gen games and have been hiring people as of late from the sonic all stars racing team and some other notable people.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 24, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
Yeah, I wish Microsoft put as much effort into Banjo Kazooie as it did Halo.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 24, 2012, 03:54:54 PM
Well banjo wouldn't need it in the first place. Sony seems to push out rachent and clank games on a regular basis.

Like I said rare is working on two games for next gen and those are the ones we know of. Wouldn't be a strech to bring back banjo as microsoft is aiming for the family.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 24, 2012, 04:27:15 PM
Like I said rare is working on two games for next gen and those are the ones we know of.

Where have you seen this? The most I can find is them "protoyping" ideas for Xbox 3, but they've been doing that for the last 4 years.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 24, 2012, 06:40:23 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-17-rare-hiring-for-multiple-aaa-future-console-releases

That as well as Lionhead had similar job posting around the same time befo they were taken down.

 http://www.gamespot.com/news/lionhead-hiring-for-next-gen-mmo-like-title-6377252
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 24, 2012, 06:56:56 PM
So rare is hiring for "multiple AAA releases". When's the last time they actually made a AAA game? Perfect Dark?
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 24, 2012, 08:02:57 PM
Kinect sports
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 24, 2012, 08:17:36 PM
Kinect Sports is in no way a AAA title.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 24, 2012, 09:03:50 PM
What makes a game AAA. Thought it had to due with how much marketing and budget was behind it?

Of not that than Nuts and Bolts or Viva Pinata 2.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 24, 2012, 09:55:45 PM
It depends on whose definition you use, but I think a good general idea of it is a big, high quality, fully featured game. As much as I like Nuts & Bolts, I wouldn't put it in that category, and Viva Pinata's just the wrong mindset.

To be fair, I'm not even sure they've tried to make a AAA game since Perfect Dark Zero, but that was in development for like five years and was a total mess. All the talent that was with that studio is gone, either to Free Radical/Crytek UK or somewhere else. All Rare is these days is a mediocre studio with a name that has a lot of history, so what they're working on really shouldn't be exciting to anyone.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 24, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
Kinect Sports is in no way a AAA title.

Neither is Wii Sports, and yet many people seem to think it is. If enough people think something is AAA then it becomes AAA even if it really isn't.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 25, 2012, 12:58:25 AM
Does Chozo Ghost want the Next Xbox to fail?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 25, 2012, 01:03:40 AM
Does Chozo Ghost want the Next Xbox to fail?

If you have to pay to play it online, sure.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 25, 2012, 02:23:49 AM
AAA is a generic buzz word, i think we had this discussion in another thread recently.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 25, 2012, 10:58:18 AM
Does Chozo Ghost want the Next Xbox to fail?

If you have to pay to play it online, sure.

I wouldn't be suprised if sony decided to charge for online next gen.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 25, 2012, 09:39:43 PM
They'd have to fix it first.

But seriously, I think the margins are getting a little thin for Sony, so adding the revenue stream is a bit of a no brainer.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 25, 2012, 09:44:28 PM
AAA is a generic buzz word, i think we had this discussion in another thread recently.

I don't think that discussion had a very satisfying conclusion on the definition though.

Edit: Context.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 26, 2012, 12:40:22 AM
Does Chozo Ghost want the Next Xbox to fail?

If you have to pay to play it online, sure.

I wouldn't be suprised if sony decided to charge for online next gen.

I hope both of them do. Then its more business for Nintendo (assuming Nintendo keeps it free).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2012, 12:44:55 AM
Sony's not in a position to charge for online. Their service isn't good enough or popular enough to ever be viable that way. Microsoft only gets away with it because they have the dominant console with the most popular online service. It's way more likely that Microsoft stops charging than Sony starting to.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2012, 01:19:13 AM
I think Sony still has time to get its **** together and make a product worth paying for. It's just gonna be damn neat impossible to convince people that there won't be outages for weeks on end.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 26, 2012, 01:23:22 AM
Sony's not in a position to charge for online. Their service isn't good enough or popular enough to ever be viable that way. Microsoft only gets away with it because they have the dominant console with the most popular online service. It's way more likely that Microsoft stops charging than Sony starting to.


Microsoft has been charging for Xbox Live ever since the service started in 2002. It had/has nothing to do with them having the most popular game system, because at that time, the PS2 was dominant.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 26, 2012, 01:25:12 AM
I think Sony still has time to get its **** together and make a product worth paying for. It's just gonna be damn neat impossible to convince people that there won't be outages for weeks on end.


What makes you think the PS3 isn't worth paying for? It's the same price as an Xbox 360, it comes with a hard drive as standard, it has a majority of the same 3rd-party games, it has more 1st-party games. The only thing lacking is PSN,  but that's quickly catching up to Xbox Live.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2012, 02:01:03 AM
Sony's not in a position to charge for online. Their service isn't good enough or popular enough to ever be viable that way. Microsoft only gets away with it because they have the dominant console with the most popular online service. It's way more likely that Microsoft stops charging than Sony starting to.


Microsoft has been charging for Xbox Live ever since the service started in 2002. It had/has nothing to do with them having the most popular game system, because at that time, the PS2 was dominant.

They got away with it then because of the novelty and because Sony's system was terrible and Nintendo's nonexistant. The market changed, other services began to catch up, and now they get away with it for the reasons I said. The market now is different from where it was when Xbox Live started, and it will likely be even more different a few years from now.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 26, 2012, 02:02:43 AM
If Sony charged for online they would roll Playstation Plus into it, so it would be worth paying for because you would also get the stuff that comes with plus. They could also do what Microsoft does and create a stripped down basic membership thing which excludes online play and pretty much everything else, except letting you chat with people.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 26, 2012, 02:23:50 AM
If Sony charged for online they would roll Playstation Plus into it, so it would be worth paying for because you would also get the stuff that comes with plus. They could also do what Microsoft does and create a stripped down basic membership thing which excludes online play and pretty much everything else, except letting you chat with people.


But the basic PSN service is already free, and it includes online gaming as a standard feature. Why would Sony remove online gaming from their free PSN service? PS Plus is just icing on the cake, and those "free" games are just incentives to pay for PS Plus. Sony doesn't need to change anything. People don't want to pay a subscription to play online games. That's another reason why so many MMO's are becoming free now. Xbox Live is an exception, because Microsoft was the first to charge for online gaming, and they got away with it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 26, 2012, 06:49:16 AM
Why would Sony remove online gaming from their free PSN service?

You don't get how the world works, do you?

To put it simply: Money.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 26, 2012, 12:10:23 PM
Sony's not in a position to charge for online. Their service isn't good enough or popular enough to ever be viable that way. Microsoft only gets away with it because they have the dominant console with the most popular online service. It's way more likely that Microsoft stops charging than Sony starting to.


Microsoft has been charging for Xbox Live ever since the service started in 2002. It had/has nothing to do with them having the most popular game system, because at that time, the PS2 was dominant.

But SONY had basically no online system and you had to buy an adapter. Xbox Live was superior from the start.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2012, 07:06:17 PM
I think Sony still has time to get its **** together and make a product worth paying for. It's just gonna be damn neat impossible to convince people that there won't be outages for weeks on end.


What makes you think the PS3 isn't worth paying for? It's the same price as an Xbox 360, it comes with a hard drive as standard, it has a majority of the same 3rd-party games, it has more 1st-party games. The only thing lacking is PSN,  but that's quickly catching up to Xbox Live.

I was talking about PSN as a product worth paying for. I actually own a PS3.


The only reason PSN is free now is to give it an advantage over Xbox Live. Next gen, Sony might not need that edge.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2012, 07:54:27 PM
Xbox Live costing money is bullshit to begin with; for Sony to start charging for an inferior and far less popular service would be ridiculous. The PlayStation Plus model is working for them, and there's no reason to piss people off by charging for features that should be free.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2012, 10:53:31 PM
But is it working for them? Isn't the Vita seriously hurting their bottom line right now? They have to be looking for more sources of revenue for the next gen. I don't think they'd ever charge for PSN as it is today, but next gen could be different.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 26, 2012, 11:14:04 PM
You know I still ask the question, why did Microsoft have the best online experience? 

Fast downloads, Great connection speeds, a robust voice chat system and everything.  Sony and Nintendo could never compete with it. 

Perhaps its because that money people paid for online went to providing more server support, bandwidth, and infrastrucute to have a quality online experience.  Look I don't want to spend money to play online, but Microsoft provided a reasonable priced high quality service.  Sometimes that is worth paying for.

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Post by: Sarail on August 26, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
I'd be fine paying Nintendo $50 a year to have a subscription based online service/infrastructure that's as well-polished as Xbox Live.

Here's my money, Nintendo. You can have it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2012, 11:21:19 PM
Xbox Live is the best, and it costs money, but it's not the best because it costs money. Its primary advantages are in the features it provides. The actual connections are almost always peer-to-peer and not dedicated servers, so it's basically the same way the Wii does it just with better netcode. Also, Steam does essentially everything Xbox Live does at least as well as Xbox Live and is free.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2012, 11:29:42 PM
Steam is free except for all the games you buy on it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2012, 11:34:30 PM
Xbox Live is $50 a year plus the cost of all the games you have to buy to play on it. Microsoft, like Valve with Steam, gets a cut of every game bought on the system, and should view the social features as a means of attracting gamers to the system rather than another revenue source. Steam also lets you use the social aspects of it in games not purchased through it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 27, 2012, 12:03:30 AM
But brah attracting customers is an added revenue stream.

Don't have cable currently and the Xbox allows me to view ESPN3 content for free and in the fall its going to be all espn streamed content. That alone is worth $50 to me and that's not considering the other serives on the console.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 27, 2012, 12:47:41 AM
Xbox Live is the reason why MS continues to push GFWL and it's current reincarnation on Windows 8. They wish to charge for a service that has been historically free to use and community operated. MS got away with in on the Xbox by offering a service that was standard elsewhere to the consoles where there were none. That is no longer the case and at this point you are throwing free money at them for what is the lowest effort service.

As for the ESPN service, I am pretty sure that you don't need an Xbox for it (http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/espn-live-stream). That took me 5 seconds to find. Your computer or that tablet you insist on writing your posts on has the service you want in one form or another like the app (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/watchespn/id429009175?mt=8) maybe. I don't know, I don't give a **** about sports, but I know this, you're pretty much paying $50 for the privilege of getting ripped off.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 27, 2012, 08:03:48 AM

As for the ESPN service, I am pretty sure that you don't need an Xbox for it (http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/espn-live-stream). That took me 5 seconds to find.

Not all people are OK with watching things illegally.

Xbox Live Gold is worth $50 a year because of how good it is, though if you don't play online then I can see why you wouldn't subscribe.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 27, 2012, 08:31:18 AM
I'd rather cut the cord legally instead of being one of the reasons why companies are tighting their vice grip.  Plus with that I can't look at past games and highlights as well as setting reminders for what I want and having a feed of my favorite sports.

Also I'll never get the uber nerdy thing of "hur hur" Why use an xbox swhen you can watch it on your pc or ipad. Why wouldn't I want to watch TV content on a bigger screen given the chance (ppi be damned). Also using stuff like a htpc sucks because the interface isn't desgined for TV in mind like the apps are on home devices.

Plus there is a rumor going around about xbox live getting updated again with a third teir that's $qpp. Its supposed to include a year of xbox music along with the gaming stuff and maybe a sub to a TV show.

Also Xbox live on Windows 8 is free and really good.
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Post by: Ceric on August 27, 2012, 10:20:53 AM
I stream my TV From my Computer.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 27, 2012, 11:07:46 AM

As for the ESPN service, I am pretty sure that you don't need an Xbox for it (http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/espn-live-stream). That took me 5 seconds to find.

Not all people are OK with watching things illegally.

Xbox Live Gold is worth $50 a year because of how good it is, though if you don't play online then I can see why you wouldn't subscribe.
It's a demonstration of how much easier the process should be instead of the hoops you have to jump through to watch it legitimately. Charge for it if you want, put ads in it, but insisting on being both the delivery system and the content provider in a time where the delivery is a near perfect commodity, being both is absurd. It only serves to drive anticompetitive behaviour causing massive collateral damage to civil liberties in the US and worldwide.

As for the $50 a year, Steam and every other service out there shows it is the exception, not the rule.
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Post by: Do_What on August 27, 2012, 12:21:33 PM
Isn't gold $60 a year? I had gold for one year in 2008 or so and haven't had it sense, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I haven't ever had cable, and it isn't that big a deal. If you don't watch a lot of tv it doesn't matter. My desktop is hooked up to my tv and it basically works as a media center thing. Unless online gaming can be done with random people that aren't the worst humanity has to offer I don't need it, and I especially don't need to pay $50 or $60 a year to do it.

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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 27, 2012, 03:17:25 PM

As for the ESPN service, I am pretty sure that you don't need an Xbox for it (http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/espn-live-stream). That took me 5 seconds to find.

Not all people are OK with watching things illegally.

Xbox Live Gold is worth $50 a year because of how good it is, though if you don't play online then I can see why you wouldn't subscribe.
It's a demonstration of how much easier the process should be instead of the hoops you have to jump through to watch it legitimately. Charge for it if you want, put ads in it, but insisting on being both the delivery system and the content provider in a time where the delivery is a near perfect commodity, being both is absurd. It only serves to drive anticompetitive behaviour causing massive collateral damage to civil liberties in the US and worldwide.

As for the $50 a year, Steam and every other service out there shows it is the exception, not the rule.

LOL, are you trying to say stuff like Xbox Live even SLIGHTLY affects your civil liberties? If so, please go and read about what your rights actually are and you will see you are 100% wrong.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 27, 2012, 03:32:33 PM
I was responding to both you and Shingi at the same time in regards to cable and media services, not Xbox Live, that is covered in the second sentence. It was you who is mistaken.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 27, 2012, 04:20:59 PM
If so, please go and read about what your rights actually are and you will see you are 100% wrong.

We have more rights than just those which are enumerated in the constitution. Read and familiarize yourself with the 9th amendment of the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)

And also the 10th amendment, which is kinda similar, but a little different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 27, 2012, 06:18:46 PM
I am familiar with the Constitution. Services like Xbox Live do NOT take away your rights, in ANY way.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 28, 2012, 03:54:59 AM
I'm just saying that we have more rights than we realize we do. Everyone knows of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. because they are enumerated, but according to amendments 9 and 10 there are more than just those. I don't think most people realize that.
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Post by: Do_What on August 28, 2012, 10:13:29 AM
that got out of hand
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Post by: Shaymin on August 28, 2012, 10:33:53 AM
Which one of you was crazy enough to give Chozo a f**king TRIDENT?
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 28, 2012, 12:38:38 PM
hahahaha Chozo is Brick

bottom line, Microsoft is a fading empire, like IBM in the late 90s-early 2000s.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on August 28, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
hahahaha Chozo is Brick

bottom line, Microsoft is a fading empire, like IBM in the late 90s-early 2000s.
Calling IBM a faded empire (if that's what you meant) makes me laugh.
If you meant they were fading in the past but are now strong, I could accept that.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 28, 2012, 03:20:24 PM
IBM was huge in the 80s and 90s. The majority of business PCs were IBM. They made their own CPUs, RAM, Sound Cards, Network Cards, Video Chipsets, Hard Drives and Optical Drives. If you could buy an IBM case you could build a completely IBM PC.  In addition to having a finger in every hardware pie, They had a huge software lineup, with the dominant business servers and databases. They owned their own international radio network. They were largest employer in the world. I ran OS/2 as my primary OS for about eight years. They squandered almost all there software assets.

They are strong now but as a much smaller focused service company.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 28, 2012, 05:16:00 PM
I have been hearing the whole microsoft is dying thing for the past five years now.yet everything tangible tells us that this is the excat opposite . The entertaiment division is doing really well. The office divison is doing good with mutiple revenue streams. Windows 8 is projected to do better than windows 7 and is the first major shift in trying to converge computing. Windows phone is looking to grab the #3 spot away from rim. And Microsoft probably has the most invested next to google in the growing cloud sector with skydrive and azure.

Would be a shame if microsoft died as they in recent times have been very consumer and dev friendly.
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 28, 2012, 06:54:11 PM
I've noticed that those who claim that MS is doomed fall into two extremes.  They're either really hardcore computer geeks who muck around with Linux the whole time OR they're Apple people who see everyone using iPads and figure that's the standard now.  They fail to realize how big Windows is in the business world.  Windows is a good balance between the consumer friendliness of Apple and the flexiblility of Linux.  Software developers often uses Windows.  Businesses that need custom software to handle their day-to-day operations often use Windows.  I think some people use their iPad for making music and videos and surfing the net and playing Angry Birds and figure that since it suits all of THEIR needs, then it must be good enough for everyone.  That's ridiculous.  Even if Apple completely takes over the personal home use computer market that doesn't mean Microsoft or Windows is toast.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 28, 2012, 07:08:57 PM
Even then I think Windows 8 will grab good portion of the tablet market. Not as much as apple mind you but a good 2nd place.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 28, 2012, 07:31:59 PM
Apple will eventually lose the tablet market for the same reason that they've lost the desktop computer market. They are way too overpriced. People didn't want to pay $3,000 for Mac computers when they could get an equivalent PC for half the price, and the exact same thing goes for tablets. People as a whole aren't willing to pay $600 for a tablet when they can get an Android or Windows 8 one for a half or even a third that price. This is why Apple losing the market is inevitable.

The only reason they have the market right now is because they were the fastest on the draw, but remember they were the fastest on the draw with desktop computers back in the 80s too. Grabbing a hold of a market is easy when you're the first, but holding onto that market is a whole other story. You can't do that when you charge double or triple as much as your competitors.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 07:34:45 PM
Apple will eventually lose the tablet market for the same reason that they've lost the desktop computer market. They are way too overpriced. People didn't want to pay $3,000 for Mac computers when they could get an equivalent PC for half the price, and the exact same thing goes for tablets. People as a whole aren't willing to pay $600 for a tablet when they can get an Android or Windows 8 one for a half or even a third that price. This is why Apple losing the market is inevitable.

The only reason they have the market right now is because they were the fastest on the draw, but remember they were the fastest on the draw with desktop computers back in the 80s too. Grabbing a hold of a market is easy when you're the first, but holding onto that market is a whole other story. You can't do that when you charge double or triple as much as your competitors.


But then what will become of the iPhone? Can Google and Microsoft really topple Apple from the smartphone market?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 28, 2012, 07:38:31 PM
Apple will eventually lose the tablet market for the same reason that they've lost the desktop computer market. They are way too overpriced. People didn't want to pay $3,000 for Mac computers when they could get an equivalent PC for half the price, and the exact same thing goes for tablets. People as a whole aren't willing to pay $600 for a tablet when they can get an Android or Windows 8 one for a half or even a third that price. This is why Apple losing the market is inevitable.

The only reason they have the market right now is because they were the fastest on the draw, but remember they were the fastest on the draw with desktop computers back in the 80s too. Grabbing a hold of a market is easy when you're the first, but holding onto that market is a whole other story. You can't do that when you charge double or triple as much as your competitors.


But then what will become of the iPhone? Can Google and Microsoft really topple Apple from the smartphone market?

Google already has. Android has been beating iOS for quite some time. In Q1 2012, it had 61% of the market share, in Q2 it had 68% (Microsoft was a distant 5th, behind even BlackBerry and Symbian).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 07:47:31 PM
Microsoft is a much bigger company, has more developer support, and has a lot more marketing than RIM/Blackberry, so how could they be falling behind? The logic makes no sense.

If Windows Phone really was doing worse than Blackberry, then carriers wouldn't bother advertising them, and developers wouldn't make apps for them. Yet Windows Phone has more developer support and advertising than Blackberry.

And what is Symbian?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 28, 2012, 08:17:09 PM
BlackBerry is still used by a lot of businesses, which may count for a chunk of its sales. Symbian is the mobile OS from Nokia. Android had 68.1%, iOS had 16.9%, BlackBerry had 4.8%, Symbian had 4.4%, Windows Phone had 3.5%, Linux had 2.1%. Windows Phone is increasing (it jumped 115% from 2011), but it is still far behind.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23638712 (http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23638712)
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Post by: Ceric on August 28, 2012, 09:10:02 PM
Poor Windows Phone. It has lots of Apps but, the popular ones don't get ported and it has the Windows Stigma.  I yet to find someone who has used it longterm that didn't like it.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 09:23:58 PM

BlackBerry is still used by a lot of businesses, which may count for a chunk of its sales. Symbian is the mobile OS from Nokia. iOS had 68.1%, iOS had 16.9%, BlackBerry had 4.8%, Symbian had 4.4%, Windows Phone had 3.5%, Linux had 2.1%. Windows Phone is increasing (it jumped 115% from 2011), but it is still far behind.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23638712 (http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23638712)

Linux? They make smartphone OS's now?

And the discrepancy between Blackberry and Windows Phone isn't much. Blackberry is still far behind iOS and Android. The problem is, RIM never marketed the Blackberry as a mainstream product, it was mainly used by businesses, which accounts for it's dramatic drop in popularity. iOS is used widely by businesses and consumers alike, and Android is popular mainly because most of the other smartphone manufacturers use it (Samsung, HTC, LG, etc.). Most people don't even know what Android is, they just see the next Samsung Galaxy or HTC Evo and buy it because of the name. Android isn't popular as a brand, it's the devices that use it that are popular (Samsung and HTC).

Windows Phone will surpass Blackberry within the next year; once Microsoft rolls out Windows 8 and markets the hell out of it, consumers will be more aware of it's existence. Nokia uses Windows Phone as their primary OS, and Symbian isn't even available outside of Europe, so it doesn't count.

As far as global popularity goes, iOS > Android > Blackberry = Windows Phone (they are about tied).
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 28, 2012, 09:33:53 PM
As far as global popularity goes, iOS > Android > Blackberry = Windows Phone (they are about tied).

Actually, no. The numbers I mentioned above are for worldwide sales (for the record, Linux is used for stuff like Samsung's Bada OS). Also, besides the fact that you think stuff sold in Europe doesn't count, where did you come up with the idea that Symbian isn't available outside of Europe? It most certainly IS. In fact, as recently as 2009 it had 42% of the global marketshare. In 2011, Symbian had 1.4% of the US market. It is available worldwide.

Even if Microsoft markets the hell out of Windows Phone 8, it will still need the apps if it will get any real marketshare.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 09:43:12 PM
As far as global popularity goes, iOS > Android > Blackberry = Windows Phone (they are about tied).

Actually, no. The numbers I mentioned above are for worldwide sales (for the record, Linux is used for stuff like Samsung's Bada OS). Also, besides the fact that you think stuff sold in Europe doesn't count, where did you come up with the idea that Symbian isn't available outside of Europe? It most certainly IS. In fact, as recently as 2009 it had 42% of the global marketshare. In 2011, Symbian had 1.4% of the US market. It is available worldwide.

Even if Microsoft markets the hell out of Windows Phone 8, it will still need the apps if it will get any real marketshare.


Every time I read about a new app, it's either for iOS, Android, or Windows Phone. The most popular smartphones (Samsung and HTC) use Android, and I don't think the average consumer even cares what a non-iPhone uses for its OS. If Symbian was so important, then why isn't Nokia a bigger threat to Apple and Google? No one cares about Nokia anymore, they're a hasbeen.  If Nokia wanted to, they could license their Symbian OS to other companies, but they instead chose to partner with Microsoft and use Windows Phone.


For more proof that Nokia has decided to abandon Symbian, just do a quick Google search.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8436/7884447468_f4dae5ac00_c.jpg)



As for Blackberry/RIM, well, they're a sinking ship. There's a reason why most smartphone companies chose Android, and why others are considering Windows Phone... brand recognition.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 28, 2012, 09:58:07 PM
Nokia will continue to support Symbian until at least 2016, though they will support Windows Phone too and use them primarily. And where did I said it's a big threat NOW? All I was doing was pointing out that at one point just 3 years ago it was the most popular OS in the world and that they are worldwide (not just in Europe like you claimed).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 10:01:16 PM
If Symbian really was that popular, then you'd see more apps and games on it, and not Windows Phone and Android.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 28, 2012, 10:01:25 PM
The most popular smartphones (Samsung and HTC) use Android

The most popular smartphone is the iPhone. Android as a platform has greater market share, but that's spread across dozens of phones.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 10:03:25 PM
The most popular smartphones (Samsung and HTC) use Android

The most popular smartphone is the iPhone. Android as a platform has greater market share, but that's spread across dozens of phones.


I meant smartphones as in the companies making them. Samsung, HTC, LG, etc. all use Android. iPhone is just one device made by one company (Apple). All of the Android and Windows smartphones are competing against iOS/Apple, and they are competing amongst themselves.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 28, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
If Symbian really was that popular, then you'd see more apps and games on it, and not Windows Phone and Android.

Again, I said it WAS popular. This is not disputed, it had 42% of the market in 2009. I am sure app support has something to do with it, and why Windows Phone will never threaten iOS and Android unless it gets improved app support.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 10:18:56 PM
If Symbian really was that popular, then you'd see more apps and games on it, and not Windows Phone and Android.

Again, I said it WAS popular. This is not disputed, it had 42% of the market in 2009. I am sure app support has something to do with it, and why Windows Phone will never threaten iOS and Android unless it gets improved app support.


Windows Phone is becoming increasingly popular, and is getting more support leading up to the big release of Windows 8. I just read an article about Symbian (now called "Belle"), and basically everyone has abandoned it in favor of Android and Windows Phone. I don't care about the marketshare from 3 years ago, that's irrelevant, and has nothing to do with how popular it is today. As far as support goes, Windows Phone has more developer support than Blackberry and Symbian/Belle. Most of the apps made for iOS and Android are also being made for Windows Phone.

You can hate on Microsoft and dismiss their achievements all you want, but they are preparing for an onslaught of marketing this fall, and they are going to heavily push Windows 8, Windows Phone, and the whole Metro interface. Microsoft is aiming for complete convergence, where apps and software are shared between devices and the "cloud" (SkyDrive).

Microsoft has the money, resources, and manpower to make Windows Phone a success. They did it with Windows PC, Office, and Xbox.

Google's advantage is that everyone uses their search engine, and they make a shitton of money from internet ads and revenue. The main problem with Android is that it's so fragmented, there is a large gap between users who have the latest version, and those that are using older versions. Google has been doing a terrible job sending updates to users, relying on carriers to do the job for them. Apple releases their updates in a timely manner, and it's easy to update just by syncing to a PC and logging into iTunes.


And pretty much everyone is calling Blackberry/RIM a sinking ship. The company is losing a ton of money, and their management is in shambles. Blackberry is primarily a business phone, but a majority of people have switched to the iPhone or an Android device. RIM lost the opportunity to fight Apple and Google with a mass-market device, and they are now facing the consequences.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 28, 2012, 10:30:53 PM
AGAIN, where did I claim Symbian is relevant now? All I said was that more Symbian phones were sold in Q2 (April-June) than Windows Phone. And Windows Phone getting most of the same apps as iOS and Android? iOS has over 700K apps, Windows Phone just crossed 100K. In a poll of mobile app developers, 37% said they were supporting Windows Phone (vs. 76% for Android and 66% for iOS). Can Windows Phone become a success? Sure, we have seen how in just 3 years Symbian went from 42% to about 4% while Android came onto the scene with a whopping 68%. Windows Phone is growing, but just very slowly and the most popular apps aren't on it or tend to come later than the iOS/Android versions (for example, the most popular mobile game ever is Angry Birds Space, which is on iOS, Android, PC, and Mac. But not Windows Phone).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 10:36:47 PM
AGAIN, where did I claim Symbian is relevant now? All I said was that more Symbian phones were sold in Q2 (April-June) than Windows Phone. And Windows Phone getting most of the same apps as iOS and Android? iOS has over 700K apps, Windows Phone just crossed 100K. In a poll of mobile app developers, 37% said they were supporting Windows Phone (vs. 76% for Android and 66% for iOS). Can Windows Phone become a success? Sure, we have seen how in just 3 years Symbian went from 42% to about 4% while Android came onto the scene with a whopping 68%. Windows Phone is growing, but just very slowly and the most popular apps aren't on it or tend to come later than the iOS/Android versions (for example, the most popular mobile game ever is Angry Birds Space, which is on iOS, Android, PC, and Mac. But not Windows Phone).


Do you think Blackberry will ever make a comeback? Or is that pretty much dead?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 28, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
It's declining (can't be considered dead, unless you want to say Windows Phone is too since BlackBerry is still outselling it), I don't see it improving anytime soon. RIM would have to mae drastic changes to have a chance.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 11:02:19 PM
It's declining (can't be considered dead, unless you want to say Windows Phone is too since BlackBerry is still outselling it), I don't see it improving anytime soon. RIM would have to mae drastic changes to have a chance.


Blackberry may be outselling Windows Phone, but Windows Phone still has more developer support. So which is more important, consumer sales or developer support? Look at the Wii, it had the most sales this gen, but had the worst developer support.

This conversation is getting old, by the way, so just answer that last question and then I'll go back to talking about the "Xbox 720".
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Post by: Ceric on August 28, 2012, 11:07:21 PM
AGAIN, where did I claim Symbian is relevant now? All I said was that more Symbian phones were sold in Q2 (April-June) than Windows Phone. And Windows Phone getting most of the same apps as iOS and Android? iOS has over 700K apps, Windows Phone just crossed 100K. In a poll of mobile app developers, 37% said they were supporting Windows Phone (vs. 76% for Android and 66% for iOS). Can Windows Phone become a success? Sure, we have seen how in just 3 years Symbian went from 42% to about 4% while Android came onto the scene with a whopping 68%. Windows Phone is growing, but just very slowly and the most popular apps aren't on it or tend to come later than the iOS/Android versions (for example, the most popular mobile game ever is Angry Birds Space, which is on iOS, Android, PC, and Mac. But not Windows Phone).
You know I don't understand that since XNA could be used and that can be used by Window and Windows Phone.  Heck even Xbox.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2012, 11:28:27 PM
AGAIN, where did I claim Symbian is relevant now? All I said was that more Symbian phones were sold in Q2 (April-June) than Windows Phone. And Windows Phone getting most of the same apps as iOS and Android? iOS has over 700K apps, Windows Phone just crossed 100K. In a poll of mobile app developers, 37% said they were supporting Windows Phone (vs. 76% for Android and 66% for iOS). Can Windows Phone become a success? Sure, we have seen how in just 3 years Symbian went from 42% to about 4% while Android came onto the scene with a whopping 68%. Windows Phone is growing, but just very slowly and the most popular apps aren't on it or tend to come later than the iOS/Android versions (for example, the most popular mobile game ever is Angry Birds Space, which is on iOS, Android, PC, and Mac. But not Windows Phone).
You know I don't understand that since XNA could be used and that can be used by Window and Windows Phone.  Heck even Xbox.


The point of my whole argument was that Microsoft has A LOT riding on the success of their new Metro interface. They completely redesigned Windows 8 and the Xbox 360 Dashboard to accommodate Metro. If it fails, then Microsoft will be in a ton of trouble.


Microsoft wants users to have a similar experience regardless of the device they're using, whether it's an Xbox, PC, tablet, or smartphone. I believe it's a concept called "convergence". Apple is doing the same thing with iOS and Mac OS X.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 28, 2012, 11:52:06 PM
Apple's not going as far in that direction as Microsoft is. Apple realizes that desktop and mobile are separate experiences and should be suited to their respective interfaces. Metro, or whatever they're going to end up calling it now that they can't call it that, sucks on the 360, and isn't really optimal with a mouse. On a touch device like a phone or tablet it works well, but Microsoft's trying too hard to shoehorn it everywhere.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 29, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
I've used Metro on the Xbox 360 and it's a lot better than what the PS3 has. The Metro interface feels lively and interactive, unlike that boring XMB **** on the PS3.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 29, 2012, 12:24:23 AM
It's not Metro, so it's wrong to call it that. For now, Microsoft is calling it Windows 8 Interface. The OS on Xbox 360 sucks now and is shitty (it's also slower than before, and things are not organized well). I don't really like the XMB either.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 29, 2012, 01:15:28 AM
I've used Metro on the Xbox 360 and it's a lot better than what the PS3 has.

I could not disagree more. Metro may look nice, but it's awful to navigate with a gamepad. Conversely, the XMB may not be pretty, but it's very easy and quick to get around.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 29, 2012, 01:16:44 AM
I have the Heavy Rain dynamic theme and I think that it looks really nice. And easy to navigate.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 29, 2012, 07:30:56 AM
Linux? They make smartphone OS's now?

FYI, Android is based off Linux and uses the Linux kernel.
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Post by: Ceric on August 29, 2012, 09:36:07 AM
I've used Metro on the Xbox 360 and it's a lot better than what the PS3 has.

I could not disagree more. Metro may look nice, but it's awful to navigate with a gamepad. Conversely, the XMB may not be pretty, but it's very easy and quick to get around.
I have to agree.  XMB is Functional and works well.  Is it pretty not really but its functional and thats what a menu system should be.  Metro on Phone 7 Functional and perfectly suited.    On the 360 from what I've seen not so much.  On the PC well thats sort of mix.  My main machine was Win 8 for a month or so, that machine still is, and I can say that its functional with a keyboard and mouse.  You still have you desktop so the Metro stuff became an uber Start menu.  Which it does a good job with.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 29, 2012, 09:53:14 AM
Metro is better than xmb because you can control it with voice and motion. I bought the latest episoide of the walking dead game without touching my controller. Voice search is awesome.


And I'm in the beta for the new dashboard and they fixed us usability with a controller. (Though it isn't hard just to press the rb and lb to get around.  Will post pictures later.

And nokia has started teasing its next windows phone stuff and more windows 8 devices are going to be announced at ifa berlin this week.
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Post by: Ceric on August 29, 2012, 10:09:44 AM
I'm hoping they finally release another Slider Phone because my wife prefers the Physical keyboard.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on August 29, 2012, 12:28:10 PM
I hate Metro. I get why it would be an effective design for a phone/small tablet interface, but its brazen disavowal of negative space creates a jumbled eyesore on the 360 dashboard. Can't imagine it's not going to be similarly obnoxious on a desktop. It also just strikes me in general as a design solution that answered the question "How can we differentiate ourselves from Apple while also jamming advertisements in every which way?"
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on August 29, 2012, 01:13:40 PM
Yeah, I don't know why the didn't fill the screen edge to edge on the 360 version as the do on Phones.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 29, 2012, 01:31:38 PM
You guys are overreacting with the "ads everywhere" rants. I've seen a few TINY ads in the lower right corner of the menu, the rest is space for game promotions.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on August 29, 2012, 02:50:45 PM
Well quite a few windows devices and news were announced.

First off Unreal Engine 3 has been confrimed to be working with WinRT and the metro development cycle.

 http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/29/nvidia-epic-unreal-engine-windows-rt/?icid=eng_latest_art

Samsung also announced a few devices starting with the Windows Phone 8 Ativ-s.

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Inside the crazy-thin 8.7mm brushed aluminum chassis is a huge 4.8” HD Super AMOLED display made from Corning Gorilla Glass 2 (read: tough to break, but still light)and a rundown of killer specs: 1.5Ghz dual-core processor, 1GB of onboard RAM, and an 8MP autofocus rear camera and 1.9MP front-facing camera. You’ll have the choice of two storage capacities – 16GB or 32GB – and both models have a MicroSD slot for expanded storage. Backing all of this up is a massive 2300mAh battery to keep you rocking all day.


Ativ PC and PC pro
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The difference between the two tablets lies in the processors inside: the Smart PC runs an Intel Atom chip, while the Smart PC Pro uses the more powerful Intel Core i5 processor. The Pro also has more storage (256GB SSD vs. 128GB flash memory), more RAM (4GB vs. 2GB), and a USB 3.0 port in place of the Smart PC's lone USB 2.0 port. The Smart PC is slightly thinner than the Pro — 9.9mm vs. 11.9mm — and it gets 13.5 hours of battery life compared to the Pro's eight hours. Both tablets come with microHDMI ports and miniSD card slots, and the keyboard docks include two extra USB 2.0 ports.

The Ativ Smart PC and Smart PC Pro run Windows 8 and support Samsung's S Pen input device with 1,024 levels of pressure sensitivity. They come preloaded with Samsung's S Note app that works with the S Pen and support 10-finger multitouch on their HD displays.



Ativ TAb
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the product is officially named the Samsung ATIV Tab. In terms of specs, we've learned that the device will be powered by a 1.5GHz dual-core processor and 2GB of RAM, with a mid-size 8,200mAh battery keeping everything going. Its 10.1-inch display will offer a resolution of 1366 x 768, and users will have a choice of either 32GB or 64GB of internal storage.

Alongside the standard Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.0, the ATIV Tab will provide connectivity through a USB 2.0 port and NFC. The unit as a whole weights in at 570g and measures 0.35 inches at its thickest point.


As well new windows 8 versions of their current laptop line up.

From Asus we got

The Vivo tab and VivoRt
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Asus has revealed today that it has renamed its Asus Tablet 600 and Asus Tablet 810 models into a new Vivo Tab range. The Tablet 600, which runs Windows RT and includes an Nvidia Tegra 3 CPU, will now be known as the Vivo Tab RT without any specification changes from what was announced at Computex earlier this year.

The Tablet 810, which includes an Intel Atom processor and runs Windows 8, will now be known as the Vivo Tab. Again, Asus hasn't tweaked the specifications here. Both tablets will include a Transformer-like dock that features keyboard, trackpad, a second battery, and room for two USB ports. Asus isn't revealing pricing or availability for either models


And a new Zenbook
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Asus has expanded its Zenbook laptop line in more ways than one with the announcement of the U500VZ, a large model with a 15-inch screen and full numpad. Featuring an Intel Core i7 processor as standard, the U500VZ offers a number of customization options, with users able to choose between dual SSDs with a capacity of up to 512GB or a combination of a 128GB SSD and a 500GB HDD


From Sony we have

The sony vaio 11
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It's got a pressure-sensitive digitizer with a choice of two pen tips for writing feel, an 11.6-inch 1920 x 1080 "OptiContrast" panel, 4GB or 8GB of RAM, and a 128GB or 256GB SSD stuffed into a shell that measures 17.85mm when collapsed and weighs 1.3 kilograms (about 2.9 pounds) — a little heavier than the Surface for Windows 8 Pro's 1.99 pounds.

Speaking of Windows 8 Pro, the Duo 11 is a Pro device, carrying an Intel Core i7, i5, or i3 processor depending on configuration — there's no Windows RT here and no sign that Sony is planning an RT variant (yet). Look for it to launch in late October, just in time to capture the first wave of Windows 8 retail launches.


The vaio tap 20
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Pretty much a coffe table style panel running windows 8

And Nokia is teasing about its windows phone event next week. All bets are on a pureview windows phone.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on August 29, 2012, 03:32:12 PM
You guys are overreacting with the "ads everywhere" rants. I've seen a few TINY ads in the lower right corner of the menu, the rest is space for game promotions.
I just have to laugh at this.  Your "game promotions" are another term for ad.  It is advertising the game, same way you advertise another product.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on August 29, 2012, 04:27:57 PM
So I should be complaining that microsoft is showing me content avaible within the device.

Smh
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on August 29, 2012, 04:32:30 PM
So I should be complaining that microsoft is showing me content avaible within the device.

Smh
If you want.  That's your choice.  I was just stating a fact.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on August 29, 2012, 04:57:09 PM
I understand. But I don't see the problem with it. There are non xbox related ads I hate, but things like telling me what new game is out or what new movie is out is a plus.

I just find it odd that people complain about that but then complain about how console makers don't market games enough.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on August 29, 2012, 05:23:49 PM
I understand. But I don't see the problem with it. There are non xbox related ads I hate, but things like telling me what new game is out or what new movie is out is a plus.

I just find it odd that people complain about that but then complain about how console makers don't market games enough.
Never said it was a problem.  Just stating that they are ads.  And ad does not have to be a bad thing, especially when it's in the right situation.  Without ads, most people would never know about new products.  If Coke stopped advertising, do you think it'd stay one of the top two soda products?  I enjoy seeing game commercials, but they are ads as well.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on August 29, 2012, 05:55:30 PM
sry thought you were implying ad's as bad.
Any who these are pictures of the new Dashboard UI. sorry for the crappy quality as I took them with my 3DS. (all other cameras were out)
 
 
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Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: MagicCow64 on August 29, 2012, 06:22:41 PM
Yeah, I'm considering the game and content promotion as ads. For games it's not really an issue, but I get annoyed by all the cross promotion of media stuff that I am not remotely interested in. Really, I want the ability to turn that off without keeping the system offline. I paid for the console, and its the absolute last way I'd ever search for information, so I resent having ads for Battleship avatar hats and ESPN in my face. If Xbox Live was free, on the other hand, there wouldn't really be any room for complaint. 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on August 29, 2012, 06:28:38 PM
Yeah, I'm considering the game and content promotion as ads. For games it's not really an issue, but I get annoyed by all the cross promotion of media stuff that I am not remotely interested in. Really, I want the ability to turn that off without keeping the system offline. I paid for the console, and its the absolute last way I'd ever search for information, so I resent having ads for Battleship avatar hats and ESPN in my face. If Xbox Live was free, on the other hand, there wouldn't really be any room for complaint.

I understand where your coming from. You just want something tailored to your tastes. Like somehow removing all the other tabs expect gaming and stuff that intrest you. While I use all of the different hubs and don't mind those as I use all of them at somepoint during the week.
hopefully the Xbox 720 dashboard will allow for more customization like the Win8 and WP8 homescreens do.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on August 29, 2012, 08:12:07 PM
*Cough*Steam*Cough*.

Steam pretty much destroys the whole "Ads everywhere" idea. There is a nice Ad that pops up with specials and new releases, but you can turn it off. The only time you see an actual Ad besides that is when you head into the store, where the bloody Ads belong, advertising Games.

The more they push rubbish like Xbox Live and it's PC counterpart, the further I run. Ads in an operating system is like having a Clippy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Assistant), but even more asinine. It doesn't belong. Normally Ads that get built into an operating system is considered malware or bloatware. I don't see why it is anymore acceptable on a console.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on August 29, 2012, 08:33:56 PM
But its all content that is on the xbox.

Its like complaining about the nexus 7 default homescreen.

Take yesterday. I turned on my xbox and one of the "ads" on the home tab was for the new mass effect dlc.  I thought it was out next month but it was this week. Threw $10 on my account and bought it.

Just think its a waste of enegry to get in a tiff about it. When I start seeing ads on windows I'll be somewhat worried, and even then the general public probaby doesn't care
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 29, 2012, 08:37:08 PM
The PSN store also has ads. I don't think there's going to be any way to avoid them. This is the future of console gaming...
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on August 29, 2012, 09:09:46 PM
I'm sorry, but ads on the console are the best way to find out about stuff. I don't see what the big deal is. We complained about Nintendo not promoting their online wares, and the solution to that was ads. I'm sorry if you don't like what's being advertised to you, but at least you can know it's there. If you have a friend on the fence about buying a console, he might see it and buy one. I didn't even know about NFL Blitz before I saw an ad for it on my Xbox, and it because the only thing I played on the system for a while.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on August 29, 2012, 09:16:37 PM
I don't mind ads, as long as you leave it inside the store where it belongs. Not the first thing you see one the console when you boot up to the dashboard.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on August 29, 2012, 09:20:00 PM
I dunno. Something has to MAKE me go to the store. Otherwise, I'll just boot up, play my game, and go do other stuff. As long as they aren't selling Mountain Dew or home mortgages or ****, I'm fine. Just a quick "HEY! Here's what's new in the store!" is all I need.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on August 29, 2012, 09:36:12 PM
What makes you go into the store is that every couple of days there is something new there. In the Case of Nintendo on the 3DS, you know it's every week on Thursday and all the new stuff is sorted in the "News" section. Steam is very good at this with specials in the off season, so you pop in once in a while have a look, check out your wish list and it tells you if they are running a special on anything on it.

I actually use the Steam RSS feed. Using this method, it takes me 5 seconds to skim however many items and dismiss them forever with 2 right clicks. No fuss, no muss. Quite frankly the adverting on consoles is equal parts clumsy and obnoxious, but it's somewhat reflective of the operating system.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on August 30, 2012, 08:14:57 AM
But the average person doesn't use an RSS feed. (Or not in the tradtional sense) or use steam for that matter.

While you may may dislke it for most people its more of a plus. But I di understand where you are coming from in that you only want to see what you have.

Eh guess I'd rather just have that stuff on my homescreen. One of the things I like about the comixology windows 8 live tile is that it currently just shows different series but after the offical launch with the store the live tile will cycle showing new comics and sales for the week.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on August 30, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
*Cough*Steam*Cough*.

Steam pretty much destroys the whole "Ads everywhere" idea. There is a nice Ad that pops up with specials and new releases, but you can turn it off. The only time you see an actual Ad besides that is when you head into the store, where the bloody Ads belong, advertising Games.

The more they push rubbish like Xbox Live and it's PC counterpart, the further I run. Ads in an operating system is like having a Clippy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Assistant), but even more asinine. It doesn't belong. Normally Ads that get built into an operating system is considered malware or bloatware. I don't see why it is anymore acceptable on a console.
I chose to read this as Oohboy would prefer Clippit in the XBox 720.

"I see you died 10 times N00b.  Would you like some help?"
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Stogi on August 30, 2012, 02:48:45 PM
What the hell is this thread about?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on August 30, 2012, 03:54:54 PM
What the hell is this thread about?
It was about rumors for the next Xbox system.

shingi has turned it into an advertisement for Windows 8 and the newest 360 dashboard interface.  I think he does that because he believes that the next Xbox will have a lot in common with Windows 8.

Everyone else is stating they don't want ads on their consoles unless they specifically turn them on.  Shingi and nickmitch like them there because they help tell them about upcoming games.  Others will say that's fine if you choose to turn them on but there should be a way to turn them off it you want.

I prefer them off.  I always check the playstation blog for what new stuff comes each Tuesday, so having ads anywhere but the PSN store is just an annoyance.  I think that's why I prefer the PS3 interface.  The only "ad" is the ticker feed at the top right of the screen that is barely noticeable and cycles through a couple of items.  Or you can choose to click on the PS Store button to check out the new games.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Stogi on August 30, 2012, 04:16:06 PM
I didn't mean literally.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on August 30, 2012, 05:31:39 PM
I didn't mean literally.
Figuratively it's shingi's love affair with Microsoft.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2012, 08:25:39 PM
Is there any worry that Microsoft may be exhibiting something similar to Sony's too-many-departments-in-one-product effect? I mean, I think one of the main criticisms leveled at Sony's hardware is that they seem to be developed to serve too many masters, and too many consumer uses. With some of the rumblings about major swaths of X720 functionality being focused on non-gaming stuff, and worries about Windows 8 really affecting the 720's setup, does anyone think the 720 might start to resemble the PS3 or Vita in the sense that a lot of it is built for reasons OTHER than gaming?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on August 30, 2012, 08:38:49 PM
Shingi loves Micrsoft like Kairon loves crying.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2012, 08:46:32 PM
Shingi loves Micrsoft like Kairon loves crying.

Or like how you love poop tacos? :P
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on August 30, 2012, 09:20:04 PM
Not even close.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on August 30, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
Hey now I love all my other tech companies as well. I just give extra love to Nintendo and microsoft.

Oh the 720 will be marketed as more than just a gaming device for better or worse. The 360 is already being marketed as one and most tech blogs talk about in that sense.

During E3 more time was spent on xbox media than Halo 4.

Also look back to interviews with Bill Gates and J Allard about the OG Xbox. They always wanted it to be their ticket to owing the living room and games was just a trojan horse as stuff like roku and apple TV were still ideas.

But no I'm not that worried. Sony's overextention comes from the hardware and not the software. They have two many divisons that all develop crazy amounts of products that overlap and aren't the market leader in anything any more. Sucks as sony has been making some really cool hardware lately but the dimished brand awarness and usualy out pricing themselves out of the market hinders them.

Only hardware divisons that microsoft have are the Surface team, Xbox hardware, Kinect team, Pixelsense, R&D (unrealesed stuff and mouse and keyboards), and maybe a few minor other ones. Microsoft has the benefit of having a lot of people make hardware for them.

 http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=478668

Thread about the leaked document that goes into detail about what to expect. Guys who happen to be pretty in the know as far as microsoft news goes (Paul Thurroht, Tom Warren, sigh Patcher) pretty much said its pretty close to what they have been hearing.

Plus we've seen microsoft

-All of Microsoft's Entertainment services being rebranded xbox across the whole ecosystem.
-The Major push at E3 about smartglass and the entertaiment features.
-Partnering with major cable companies to have the xbox work with their services (uverse,xfinity,fios)
-wanting to start a zune pass all you can eat style subscription for televison as it comes out. As well as trying to suscribe by a per channel basis.
-At one point working on its own production deal like netflix is doing with lillyhammer and arrested development. At one point they were in serious talks about Conan doing his show on xbox live.

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 31, 2012, 12:27:34 AM
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Is there any worry that Microsoft may be exhibiting something similar to Sony's too-many-departments-in-one-product effect? I mean, I think one of the main criticisms leveled at Sony's hardware is that they seem to be developed to serve too many masters, and too many consumer uses. With some of the rumblings about major swaths of X720 functionality being focused on non-gaming stuff, and worries about Windows 8 really affecting the 720's setup, does anyone think the 720 might start to resemble the PS3 or Vita in the sense that a lot of it is built for reasons OTHER than gaming?
Microsoft wants the Xbox to be the all-in-one entertainment device that dominates the living room. Games are still the forefront, but the Xbox has been adapted for other uses like streaming (Netflix and other video services), music (Zune/Xbox Music), internet (Bing and the upcoming Internet Explorer app), etc. The Xbox brand will be Microsoft's core entertainment device from now on.

It's similar to what Sony is doing with it's PlayStation brand, though the non-gaming features of the PS3 are still pretty lacking. I guess Microsoft was able to strike better deals with media companies.

Speaking of streaming services, does anyone really use Sony's Music/Video Unlimited service? Is it anything like Netflix or iTunes?
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Post by: Ceric on August 31, 2012, 01:22:11 AM
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though the non-gaming features of the PS3 are still pretty lacking.
Really?  I barely play games on mine and have been using it as my primary player of video entertainment for over 4 years now.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 31, 2012, 01:28:31 AM
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though the non-gaming features of the PS3 are still pretty lacking.
Really?  I barely play games on mine and have been using it as my primary player of video entertainment for over 4 years now.


Same. I have my entire movie, music, and picture library on my laptop and stream it to my PS3 through the PS3 Media Server. It works beautifully. I use it for Netflix Instant Streaming and DVD playback too. I don't know what Tendoboy is talking about.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 31, 2012, 04:30:35 AM
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though the non-gaming features of the PS3 are still pretty lacking.
Really?  I barely play games on mine and have been using it as my primary player of video entertainment for over 4 years now.


Same. I have my entire movie, music, and picture library on my laptop and stream it to my PS3 through the PS3 Media Server. It works beautifully. I use it for Netflix Instant Streaming and DVD playback too. I don't know what Tendoboy is talking about.

The Xbox 360 has more streaming media apps, and Microsoft has more exclusive media content. That's what I was talking about. The Xbox 360 is essentially a multi-media box / video game system all-in-one.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 31, 2012, 06:09:08 AM
360 does have HBO GO and ESPN which PS3 doesn't have, but everything else I do with the PS3 because in my opinion the interface is so much better.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 31, 2012, 09:19:03 AM
Personally prefer using kinect/voice to a controller (NUI FTW) but that aside content is a big factor. I find it odd a company with media ties like sony can't get apps and other things that microsoft can't. I mean sony owns crackle and the PS3 doesn't have a crackle while the 360 does.

This past month I've
Watched the Curiosty landing
Watched the Gamescon cod blops 2 mutiplayer Panel
Watched the republican National Convention

All Live from my xbox with the live player app. Even watched all the E3 confrences through the live player and IGN apps.

In other news MS announced a price drop on its family bundle
 
 http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/Xbox-360-4-GB-Console/productID.253888000
(http://dri2.img.digitalrivercontent.net/Storefront/Company/msstore/images/hardware/pdp/en-US_Xbox360_4GB_Console_with_Kinect_Direct_Response_Bundle.jpg)

It was $474 but now its $299 which will probably be the starting price for the Wii U. It comes with
 Xbox 360 4 GB Console with Kinect
Kinect Sports: Season Two Xbox 360 Game for Kinect
Xbox LIVE 12-Month Gold Membership
Xbox 360 Media Remote
Xbox 360 HDMI Cable (6.5 foot)
Hulu Plus 3-Month Subscription for New or Existing Customers


Also there seems to be leaked renders of the new Nokia phones ahead of nokia world. I'm really hoping microsoft let's Nokia or the Surface team desgin the casing for the next xbox.

Lumia 920 with Pureview (4.5 inch display)
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5246074/lumia920_large_extra_large.jpg)

Such a good design. It curves the current lumia design while taking cues from the 5th and 6th gen ipod nano.

Lumia 820 (4.2 inch display)
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5246060/A1nr5ckCUAAqqif_large_extra_large.jpg)

Have to say I lament the death of the 3 inch phone. The Iphone was the only other hold out and it looks to be also going big as well.

Was also kind of hoping that one of the Pureview phones would be based around the funky desgin of the pureview 808.
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1202977/808-33.jpg)

I'm wondering if nokia is going to go with the full on 41 mp camera lens and sensor. (In testing it killed most point and shoots and was better than any camera phone around) or go with say 20 mp camera.  But none of that matters when the phone is probably going to be crappy att exclusive meaning I have to go with the 820 or another oem.
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Post by: Ceric on August 31, 2012, 12:54:16 PM
Honestly one of the biggest flaw of any Windows Phone are the Search, Back, and Windows button being touch sensitive buttons instead of clicky buttons.  I don't know how many times I've accidentally bumped those in the middle of something.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 31, 2012, 01:45:21 PM
Personally, I much prefer the PS3's media capabilities.  I can stream anything from my PC to the thing with the PS3 Media Streamer.  It's capable of playing multiple types of files.  It has Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, Hulu Plus, VUDU, Sony's Unlimited stuff (I don't use it), the exclusive Crunchyroll app (yes it has exclusives) and it can play blurays.  Plus I just like the interface better.  It's simple and very easy to navigate.

I've only played around with the 360 a little bit (don't own one, no real desire to own one), and while it has a lot of stuff, I prefer the interface of the PS3 and the fact that I can play blurays on it, my preferred video format.

I do hope both continue to push each other.  The more these companies push to one up each other, the better the stuff we get as consumers.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 31, 2012, 02:58:43 PM
Just saw that PS3 is getting NFL Sunday ticket. Microsoft probably won't get it because of their other deals.


I'm just hoping one of the consoles are abe to get MLS live next season.

But blu-ray aside I think Microsoft is better as they activly go out and try to get new applications and content compared to sony.

Also I honestly don't see how the interface of the PS3 is good for anything non gaming. Thr broswer is slow as hell and its missing features that should be on this type of device.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 31, 2012, 05:54:43 PM
Sony owns Crackle? (What is Crackle, by the way?) I'm pretty sure there is a Crackle app on the PS3. I don't know why Microsoft would get it, considering they are Sony's arch nemesis in the gaming industry.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 31, 2012, 07:44:48 PM
shingi, PS3 has had NFL Sunday Ticket before.

tendoboy, Crackle is a digital streaming service that uses flash video. They stream (for free) through services like YouTube, Hulu, AOL, and mobile devices. Sony bought it in 2007 (when it was called Grouping) and renamed it Crackle. Sony added Crackle to the PS3 in March 2011 (guess Shingi didn't know) and Microsoft added it to the Xbox 360 in November 2011.

tendo, it helps both Sony and Microsoft to have more people watching it. Besides, Blu-ray Disc uses VC-1, which is a video format created by Microsoft.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 31, 2012, 09:36:25 PM
Lack of research on my part regarding crackle. Still great service if you can take raw anime.


Also it looks like the dashboard beta has really started. I was already in and had Intenet exploer the new dashboar, and the new music and video apps. But today I got a beta tab saying the beta had started and that this would be the area to look for preview games and apps.

Looked in it and saw the beta for microsofts first free to play moba style game Happy Wars which shoukd be launching sometime next month.


Hope they suprise us with a Halo 4 beta.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 31, 2012, 11:28:40 PM
shingi, PS3 has had NFL Sunday Ticket before.

tendoboy, Crackle is a digital streaming service that uses flash video. They stream (for free) through services like YouTube, Hulu, AOL, and mobile devices. Sony bought it in 2007 (when it was called Grouping) and renamed it Crackle. Sony added Crackle to the PS3 in March 2011 (guess Shingi didn't know) and Microsoft added it to the Xbox 360 in November 2011.

tendo, it helps both Sony and Microsoft to have more people watching it. Besides, Blu-ray Disc uses VC-1, which is a video format created by Microsoft.


It's funny how Microsoft and Sony share tech and apps like that. I guess the term "frienemies" applies here. But you'd never see Sony make anything for Nintendo, or vice versa.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 31, 2012, 11:30:48 PM
Lack of research on my part regarding crackle. Still great service if you can take raw anime.


Also it looks like the dashboard beta has really started. I was already in and had Intenet exploer the new dashboar, and the new music and video apps. But today I got a beta tab saying the beta had started and that this would be the area to look for preview games and apps.

Looked in it and saw the beta for microsofts first free to play moba style game Happy Wars which shoukd be launching sometime next month.


Hope they suprise us with a Halo 4 beta.


So Microsoft finally brought Internet Explorer to the Xbox. Hopefully it's better than the awful browser Sony uses for PlayStation devices. Nintendo's browser is just bad too, but it's still better than what Sony offers. With IE on the Xbox, we finally get a real web browser for game systems!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 31, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
I wouldn't call Internet Explorer a real web browser.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 01, 2012, 07:16:49 AM
Until the day Firefox shows up, there won't be a real browser on any console. Maybe we will see it happen on Ouya.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 01, 2012, 10:12:13 AM
IE has been solid since 8 and IE9 and IE10 reviewing really well. Not only that but the Internet Explorer team has been pretty active when it comes to pushing HTML5 content. That and IE10 is one of the only broswers out to support multii touch gestures in broswer.

 http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2012/08/09/with-internet-explorer-10-pulse-comes-to-the-web.aspx
 http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2012/08/29/atari-online-ie-brings-classic-games-to-the-web-with-html5-and-multi-touch.aspx
 http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2012/07/24/a-new-way-to-window-shop-the-web.aspx
 http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2012/05/16/now-recruiting-for-weyland-industries-internet-explorer-partners-with-fox-for-prometheus-movie.aspx

Too bad past iterations of IE has given it a bad name.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 01, 2012, 11:29:46 AM
All iterations of IE are bad because they murdered Netscape and became a Monopoly.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 01, 2012, 11:38:43 AM
And that's why today we live in a world where Internet Explorer is your only option.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 01, 2012, 11:43:46 AM
Netscape came back as Firefox like Return of the Jedi.

Remember when Microsoft ran Real Player out of business? good times.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 01, 2012, 12:10:59 PM
I'm 20 I don't remember any of that stuff.

And I'm not sure how that is reflective on a good product today.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 01, 2012, 04:22:48 PM
I'm 20 I don't remember any of that stuff.

And I'm not sure how that is reflective on a good product today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 01, 2012, 11:23:49 PM
Your only 20? That explains a lot.

Google Microsoft Bob, or Microsoft Money, or Zune.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 01, 2012, 11:44:14 PM
Microsoft Money was not a failure though, they released it for 18 years.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 02, 2012, 01:25:08 AM
It lost to Intuit in the end.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 02, 2012, 01:37:21 AM
Microsoft Money: "We just weren't Intuit"

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Post by: Ceric on September 02, 2012, 09:02:10 AM
I used Money for a bit not a bad product but now you can get Mint online for free which is roughly the same for how most users.  Quicken just doesn't click with me.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 03, 2012, 02:11:11 PM
So this week Microsoft announced the games that were launching alongside Xbox for Windows 8. 29 games in and they will be launching on October 26th.

The games published by Microsoft Studios are

4ELEMENTS II SPECIAL EDITION
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Discover the fantastic world of 4 Elements in this Windows 8-exclusive Special Edition of the acclaimed Puzzle and Hidden Object game. Four fairies representing the elements of earth, air, fire, and water have been deprived of their magic power. Be the hero of the kingdom and restore their magic! Lose yourself in beautiful backgrounds, music and amazing graphics. Explore a world of color, animation, and mystical delight. Discover secrets, solve intriguing puzzles, and decipher the book of magic to unlock powerful spells. 4 Elements™ II: Special Edition is an exciting “match three” game packed with fascinating puzzles and hidden object challenges. This Special Edition includes 48 exclusive levels for Windows 8, 14 of which you can play for free in the trial version! This edition also includes six custom Windows 8 wallpapers and the complete original soundtrack in MP3 format. Compare your progress with friends via leaderboards or Achievement’s earned! Look for these other great Microsoft Studios titles in the Windows 8 store: Microsoft Solitaire Collection, Microsoft Mahjong, and Wordament.

>64 unique match-3 levels + 48 levels EXCLUSIVE to Windows 8

>4 adorable fairies of the elements to set free

>16 magic cards to collect

>4 exciting quests to complete

>Fascinating story, gorgeous art and backgrounds

>Trial version includes 12 Story Mode levels and 2 Bonus Challenge levels for free

>Xbox LIVE Gamerscore over 20 Achievements

>Track friends’ progress with Leaderboards

>Hours and hours of gameplay

>6 exclusive Windows 8 wallpapers and complete game soundtrack in MP3 format

>Use touch or mouse/keyboard controls

>Multiple modes: casual and timed play

>Hidden Object and Find the Difference puzzles


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ADERA:EPISODE1, 2 ,AND 3
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Adera is an episodic adventure game in which you play as the heroine, Jane Sinclaire. Take on the challenge by solving puzzles, playing minigames, collecting items, and using them to get past obstacles. Uncover the mystery of Adera and explore a beautiful lost world.

Jane is a world traveler who has been on many dangerous adventures, but she has never experienced anything like this. In this first episode, Jane finds herself in the Atacama Desert searching for her long-missing grandfather, with only a coded message and a strange stone orb to guide her.

(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/en-EN-Adera_Episode_1_Boxart_415x569.png)
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GUNSTRINGER:DEAD MAN RUNNING
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When the Gunstringer rose from the dead to hunt down the treacherous members of his old gang, it was on the condition that he must return to the underworld once his quest for vengeance was complete. Being a man of his word, the Gunstringer kept his promise and returned. Not long afterwards, The Gunstringer started to realize how much the world needed a man like him and how it was up to him to help rid the world of the vile scum that threatened the peace. Now, striking another deal with the devil, The Gunstringer travels back to the land of the living. The deal requires trading the souls of five notorious villains in exchange for his own soul and freedom. You must help The Gunstringer race across treacherous terrains to hunt down and banish the Villainous Five to the underworld! Collect as many Gold Coins as you can along the way and use them to buy new customization options, weapons and power-ups to help you in your spirited quest.

>Free to Play with in-app purchases and downloadable content.

>Two playable game modes including a Story Mode with finite levels and a Challenge Mode featuring endless levels.

> Xbox Live support including Achievements, Friends and Leaderboards.

>Asynchronous Multiplayer Challenges.

>Seamless multi-device profile access and progression.


(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/box_art-219x300.png)
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screenshot-46.png)

HYDRO THUNDER HURRICANE
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The legendary arcade racer and Xbox 360 hit Hydro Thunder Hurricane is now available for Windows 8 tablets! Featuring rocket-powered speedboats blasting across amazing dynamic wa-ter, gorgeous visuals, and interactive environments packed with shortcuts and surprises, this is the adrenaline-drenched sequel fans have been waiting for. Pit your skills against 15 opponents in Single Player Races and Championships, hone your speedboat skills in the new Ring Master and Gauntlet modes, and compare your times with your Friends on LIVE Leaderboards.

>Tons of original content, including 11 classic and brand-new boats and 11 watery race tracks packed with interactive triggers, insane jumps, and secret shortcuts waiting to be discovered.

>Variety of single player game modes, including Race, Championship seasons, Ring Master, and the explosive new Gauntlet.

>Dynamic water racing. Dodge avalanches that spawn massive tsunamis, jump across other boats’ wakes – in Hydro Thunder Hurricane, the race track itself is constantly in motion!


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PINBALL FX 2
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The critically acclaimed Xbox LIVE® Arcade hit, Pinball FX2, will be available for Windows 8 BETA from Zen Studios, the definitive leader in arcade-style pinball videogames. Featuring the most advanced balls physics in videogame pinball, Pinball FX2 is the premiere pinball videogame experience. The BETA version contains one table and will be updated with all the features and content our fans come to expect when the full version releases.

>With its robust physics engine, Pinball FX 2 will make you think you’re back at your local arcade.

>Intuitive tablet controls delivers a whole new experience for Pinball FX fans.

>View your table from various camera angles, allowing you some new perspectives in your pursuit to become a pinball wizard!

>More of these beautiful, immersive, and innovative tables will become available at the launch of the full version.

>Additional announcements coming soon.


(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Box_415x569.png)

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RECKLESS RACING ULTIMATE
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The ultimate edition of the acclaimed Reckless Racing top-down racer series is here.

Now bigger and dirtier than ever! Race with a huge selection of road and dirt tracks, single and multi-player events, modded cars and trucks, and challenging game modes. Whether it’s a muscle car in the dirt, a monster truck in gravel, or even a dune buggy in the snow, if you can build it – you can race it. Tweak, upgrade and customize your car collection as you level up in your racing career. Earn your place on the Xbox Leaderboards in both Career and Arcade modes. Challenge your friends in a variety of multiplayer modes including, 1 on 1 rally racing or fastest lap. Track your multi-player invites, and results on the go right on your Live Tile. Buckle your seatbelts and prepare to get Reckless!

>Beautifully rendered hand-drawn environments.

>Physics driven handling – Drift like a champ!

>Play the Free Trial featuring 1 car, 3 tracks and car upgrades

>Career mode, Arcade mode, Single Event mode

>Challenge your friends via Xbox Multiplayer

> See how you stack up against the competition with Xbox Leaderboards

>Earn gamerscore with Xbox Achievements >24 customizable cars and trucks

>20 Career mode cups

>50 Arcade challenges

>150 individual and customizable events

>Touch, mouse/keyboard and USB Xbox controller support.

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ROCKET RIOT 3D
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Rocket Riot™ 3D packs hundreds of zany characters, aggressive minibosses, tons of tough bosses and crazy visual effects into one rocket package! Obliterate your friends with multiplayer challenges, or achieve a personal best in the single player campaign. In this awesomely 8-bit styled game, blast your way through the environment or hide behind it, battling the strangest enemies you will ever encounter.

>Engage in over 100 single-player missions, set in many different, wild worlds!

>Unlock over 200 characters! Zombies vs. robots! Rocket-propelled bananas! Pirates vs. moose!

>Multiplayer challenges let you compete for ultimate Rocket Riot world domination!

>Test your strength and aim against tons of bosses… and mini bosses too.

>24 all-new Windows 8 exclusive levels.

>Classic Rocket Riot™ levels with awesome new stories, levesl, characters and visual effects.


(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/en-EN-RocketRiot3D_KeyArt_584x800.jpg)
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TAPTILES
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The classic tile matching game re-imagined as a spinning block of 3D puzzling! Race against the clock by matching symbols on all sides of the cube to drill down to the center. Just when you think you’re stuck, you can rotate the cube to reveal more matches to clear! The faster you go, the more points you get! With 3 game modes, daily challenges, and the ability to resume play to and from your Windows Phone, Taptiles on Windows 8 will continually challenge you’re puzzling skills. >In Dash Mode, play as long as you can with puzzles coming in one after another. >Origin Mode will test your quick decision making skills, as you need to solve the puzzle before time runs out. >And if you need to unwind, Relaxation Mode gives you the chance to solve puzzles with all the time in the world.

>Play Daily Challenges to test your skill

>The Play, Pause, Resume functionality on Windows 8 and Windows Phone platforms allows you to take some of your favorite puzzles across your devices.

>Compare you scores with your friends via Xbox LIVE Leaderboards.


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WORDAMENT
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The hit Windows Phone game is now on Windows 8! Wordament is a unique kind of word game—a word tournament—where you are competing with the whole internet to be the best word searcher in every game. Every player is competing on the same board, in real-time, to get the highest score. Wordament features unique, highly playable games. Every board is guaranteed to have over 100 possible words, and every tile is playable. Wordament’s dictionary is tuned to help you find the most common words you missed. Also with themed games, like Digrams, Wordament introduces a simple, but fun secondary goal of using a two-letter tile in as many words as possible.

>An extremely popular and addictive word-finding game where a player must score points by creating words from a 4×4 board of letters.

>Continually compete in worldwide tournaments where everyone is utilizing the same board.

>Cross screen gameplay allows you to not only compete against other Windows 8 users, but also those playing Wordament on their Windows Phone.

>Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer! Frenemies is an all new way to keep track of your competition.

>Real-time stats let players see how many average seconds it takes to find words and how many average points they are finding per word.

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The full list of games is
 1. 4 Elements II Special Edition
 2. A World of Keflings
 3. Adera: Episode 1
 4. Adera: Episode 2
 5. Adera: Episode 3
 6. Angry Birds
 7. Angry Birds Space
 8. Big Buck Hunter Pro
 9. BlazBlue Calamity Trigger
10. Collateral Damage
11. Crash Course GO
12. Cut the Rope
13. Disney Fairies
14. Dragon’s Lair
15. Field & Stream Fishing
16. Fruit Ninja
17. Gravity Guy
18. Gunstringer: Dead Man Running
19. Hydro Thunder Hurricane
20. IloMilo
21. iStunt 2
22. Jetpack Joyride
23. Kinectimals Unleashed
24. Microsoft Mahjong
25. Microsoft Minesweeper
26. Microsoft Solitaire Collection
27. Monster Island
28. PAC-MAN Championship Edition DX
29. Pinball FX 2
30. Reckless Racing Ultimate
31. Rocket Riot 3D
32. Shark Dash
33. Shuffle Party
34. Skulls of the Shogun
35. Taptiles
36. Team Crossword
37. The Harvest HD
38. Toy Soldiers Cold War
39. Wordament
40. Zombies!!!

A mix if ports, new games, and cross platfrom stuff. Nothing that will make gamers abandon steam, but its a good line up for the audience its aimed at. The inclusion of Blazblue confrims regular PC games can be ported into the metro envioment. Microsoft were pretty unclaer about that saying that in its current state the windows store weren't for halo types of games. Guessing Iron Brigade and Age of Empires online will be ported as well.



 
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 03, 2012, 04:06:49 PM
That boxart is turrible.
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Post by: Kairon on September 03, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
Wait, so, I haven't been keeping up with this story but... XBox for Windows 8 is the new Games For Windows Live?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 03, 2012, 04:51:04 PM
Wait, so, I haven't been keeping up with this story but... XBox for Windows 8 is the new Games For Windows Live?

Yes
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on September 03, 2012, 05:19:29 PM
yes and no. It is the the follow up to games for windows live but it doesn't have much in common withthe service its more of a more complex verison of the windows phone xbox program.

It has none of the kinks that games for windows had like the sign in problens becuae its built in from an os level.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on September 03, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
GFWL not being built into Windows wasn't the reason that made it ****. Being **** made it ****. Steam isn't integrated on the OS level and is fine. Having the GFWL spawn being built into the OS level is just another thing that breaks that can bring down the OS.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on September 03, 2012, 06:45:07 PM
Well the biggest probelm I would hear about gfwl (never tried as not a Pc gamer) was that their was something wrong with loggging into your live account and it was pretty slow.

Mbeing at an OS level would alleviate that as your always signed in as everything is under 1 Microsoft account.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on September 03, 2012, 07:14:23 PM
Not signing in was the least of it's problems. Failure to self update. Updates breaking GFWL. After breaking the system, uninstalling and reinstalling with a more updated version fails. Deleting saves across the entire account. It's comparatively slow, buggy and annoying compared to it's competitors with an interface clearly not designed for a mouse. Then you have cluster **** situations where you get DRM on DRM possibly on DRM.

I wasn't kidding when I described GFWL as XBOX LIVE for Windows. When it came over to Windows it was found more than wanting, hence why the PC community outright rejected it and protest every time it is used, begging developers not to use it. You have people thanking other people for warning potential customers of a game because it uses GFWL. GFWL easily costs far more sales than it could gain with it's "features" or with it's anti-piracy measures. If you want to kill a game, use GFWL.

I only have one game that uses GFWL, that's Dawn of War 2, and I have it only because I didn't know at the time how terrible GFWL is. When people talk about pirates playing with superior versions of a game, they are taking about GFWL if not Ubisoft and their always online system. GFWL punishes you for going legit.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on September 04, 2012, 09:11:21 AM
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/gamestop-expects-only-one-new-console-in-2013/0102290

So according to the ceo of gamestop only 1 new console is hitting next year and the 720 is farther along than the PS4.

So at worse I'm guess
Fall 2013-XBOX 720
Spring 2014-PS4

And at best
Fall 2013- 720 and japan only PS4
Spring 204- ps4 everywhere else

 

I Understand why sony as a company would wait but I'm thinking waiting would hurt them. Alot
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 04, 2012, 09:23:43 AM
the 720 is farther along than the PS4.

This is what I figured because we are hearing so much more about the next Xbox in the way of rumors than the PS4. With the PS4 there's hardly anything being mentioned, except that so and so developer is starting development of a game for it.

But if this is the case, while Sony might be 2 years off with their system, when it finally does come out it will probably be a beast in comparison to the Wii U and Xbox420. They will have a lot of catching up to do with market share, but they will have the edge in specs.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 04, 2012, 09:42:43 AM
the 720 is farther along than the PS4.

This is what I figured because we are hearing so much more about the next Xbox in the way of rumors than the PS4. With the PS4 there's hardly anything being mentioned, except that so and so developer is starting development of a game for it.

But if this is the case, while Sony might be 2 years off with their system, when it finally does come out it will probably be a beast in comparison to the Wii U and Xbox420. They will have a lot of catching up to do with market share, but they will have the edge in specs.

So it'll be the PS3 all over again. Expensive, high-powered hardware, no games, very little developer support in its first year. Sounds good.

See that's the problem with the video game industry. Everyone is so obsessed with specs and power. Development costs are rising, and many of the smaller studios can't afford to make big-budget games. Every year we see studios closing due to rising costs and not enough sales & profit.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on September 04, 2012, 11:01:49 AM
It honestly wouldn't matter if sony ended out edging them in specs. If the developer cycle are postioned toward the wii u or 720 as the main dev systems than the ps4 is screwed. Look at the ps3 its more powerful than the 360 but ended up with the worst version of games in most cases.

Japan as. Market doesn't matter as much as it did as its smaller than the other two and consoles is a shrinking market their. Sony is still the big boy in europe and a delay could have them lose it to nintendo or microsoft.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kytim89 on September 04, 2012, 05:10:09 PM
The war of the next console generation will be based on everything but graphics. It will be based primarily on services, particularly those of the multimedia kind. What Microsoft is currently doing with the Xbox 360 is assembling their chess peices on the board for the next round. None of it is for the Xbox 360, they are just laying ground work for their next system.
 
As for Sony, if the Vita is any indication of their stadning in the industry then I am not confident about their next home console. Sony has been having their ass handed to them in everything they dable in, so if they try and pull the same stunt with the PS4 as they did with the PS3 then you can kiss their ass goodbye a game company, and possibly a company as a whole.
 
The company with the best resources to launch a home console is Nintendo. The only question is how much third party support can theyr gather and how powerful will the Wii U be when it hits the market? 
 
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on September 04, 2012, 05:25:29 PM
I agree with you and while its true I find it odd how many gamers have a problem with consoles becoming anything but a machine to play games. Microsoft and Nintendo both had a big focus on casuel gaming and services while Sony only focused on games. While the gaming media hitched and moaned and were giving Sony all the prais, the actual real press only talked about Wii U and xbox.

Next gen is going to be about services as well as Eco system. Sony sucks at both so I expect things to get worse from here.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on September 04, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
...
Next gen is going to be about services as well as Eco system. Sony sucks at both so I expect things to get worse from here.
You must be using a different PS3 from an alternate Reality.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on September 04, 2012, 05:35:50 PM
I'm talking about Sony as an overall company.

Unlike the big three (Apple, Google, Microsoft) Sony doesn't have anything that makes using all of their products a good thing.  If they leverage Gaikai well remains to be seen. But currently they have

The vita cross play stuff- time will tell
And Playstation mobile which will flop hard in the States at least.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 04, 2012, 06:17:43 PM
No one knows how to make a brand extremely popular, and then screw it up better than Sony. Before they got into video games they had the Walkman which was a revolutionary thing at the time and extremely popular. Basically it was the Ipod of its time, but now the brand name is meaningless. Now they are doing the same exact thing with the Playstation brand. Up until the launch of the PS3 the word "Playstation" was practically synonymous with video game console. The PS2 has 90% market share. But since then its only gone downhill.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kytim89 on September 04, 2012, 06:21:02 PM
I agree with you and while its true I find it odd how many gamers have a problem with consoles becoming anything but a machine to play games. Microsoft and Nintendo both had a big focus on casuel gaming and services while Sony only focused on games. While the gaming media hitched and moaned and were giving Sony all the prais, the actual real press only talked about Wii U and xbox.

Next gen is going to be about services as well as Eco system. Sony sucks at both so I expect things to get worse from here.

Here is how I see everthing panning out:
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on September 05, 2012, 08:19:51 PM
I agree with the above post mostly. I think Microsoft is going to have some serious pricing advantges. I think they are going to have a not only an on-contract model like they do with the current xbox at mutiple retailers, but Cable carriers may offer the 720 as a choice as a cable box as well.
 
On Microsofts mobile notes they and Nokia showed off the two Flagship phones for Windows Phone 8 today.
First off is the High end and Flagship phone the Lumia 920 (http://www.nokia.com/us-en/products/phone/lumia920/)
(http://i.nokia.com/image/view/-/1789904/medRes/2/-/920-product-hero-1-jpg.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8_Z7_kJ3_g&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8_Z7_kJ3_g&feature=plcp)
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As one of the first Windows Phone 8 devices (http://www.engadget.com/tag/windows+phone+8/) to be officially announced, this device augments Espoo's line with a larger, curved 4.5-inch PureMotion HD+ display, dual-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon S4 CPU, 2,000mAh battery, NFC, integrated wireless charging and an 8-megapixel rear PureView camera capable of 1080p video. The display packs WXGA (1,280 x 768) resolution, is 25 percent brighter than the next best panel on the market and it's the fastest LCD that Nokia has ever shipped on a smartphone. What's more, the screen also boasts what Nokia calls "Super Sensitive Touch," which promises to let you use it even when wearing gloves or mitts.
 As you can tell from its humpless back, this PureView (http://www.engadget.com/tag/PureView/) is not that of the 41-megapixel variety -- it's merely all about the branding, as the moniker will now ring synonymous with "high-end cameras." Despite that fall from 808 grace, Nokia's Head of Imaging Damian Dinning has assured detractors the magic is in what's done with the optics and pixels (http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/lumia-920-8-megapixel-pureview/) and not sheer gargantuan sampling size. To wit, the 920 employs a "floating lens," which, in layman's terms, translates into hardware image stabilization and also packs impressive low-light capabilities -- an area the company's seems squarely focused upon.
 In a true return to form, the 920 also hearkens back to the Lumia that started it all (http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/nokia-lumia-800-review/), opting for the "sinuous tapering" that debuted on the 800 with glass edges that blend gently into the polycarbonate hull. Unfortunately, not all of that design language has made the transition, given its chassis now appears glossier and more polished, distancing itself from that premium matte finish. Still, as looks go, the handset's keeping to its 900 origins, appearing nigh indistinct from its predecessor save for that attention-grabbing mellow yellow hue.And as a bonus, Nokia's imbued the device with integrated wireless charging, based on the Qi standard, which corroborates those leaks we saw just last week. The Lumia 920 will arrive in pentaband LTE and HSPA+ variants and both are expected to ship "in selected markets" later this year.

 
and the Mid-Range Lumia 820 (http://www.nokia.com/us-en/products/phone/lumia820/)
(http://i.nokia.com/image/view/-/1789812/medRes/3/-/820-product-hero-2-png.png)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aIYm07ACkjU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aIYm07ACkjU)
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No matter your budget, Nokia's got a Windows Phone 8 (http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/windows-phone-8-may-land-october-29th-just-days-after-its-deskt/) handset for you. While the Lumia 920  (http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/nokia-lumia-920-official-dual-core-1-5ghz-snapdragon-s4-cpu-wi/)dominated today's press conference (http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/live-from-nokia-and-microsofts-windows-phone-event/), the company's more modest Lumia 820 is planning to sneak in and capture the mid-range. The handset is packing the same 1.5Ghz dual-core Snapdragon S4 internals you'll find in the 920, along with 1GB RAM and a 4.3-inch display.
 While the handset isn't unattractive, the design language of the 800 (http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/nokia-lumia-800-review/) (and N9 (http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/)) that captured our hearts has been dumped in favor of something more symmetrical. The glass of its 800 x 480 ClearBlack OLED screen is flat rather than convex (poached by the 920) and the body's finish is a little more shinier than the previous generation of Nokia's polycarbonate.
 Photography fans looking to get their hands on that PureView goodness (http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/lumia-920-8-megapixel-pureview/) will be disappointed to see that it's also been reserved for the flagship (in some form). Instead, this unit comes with the more familiar 8-megapixel Carl Zeiss optics we've seen before, but at least there's a front-facing VGA lens for video conferencing.
 While the unit only has 8GB of on-board storage, it's packing microSD support (up to 32GB, as per usual) and you'll also get an additional 7GB of storage on Microsoft's cloud service, Skydrive. The company's including a series of protective cases in a variety of colors, including a set that add bundle QI-compatible wireless charging to the handset -- at the cost of adding an extra 1mm to the handset's overall thickness.
 It'll arrive in Red, Yellow, Grey, Cyan, Purple, White and Black, with separate LTE and HSPA+ variants shipping "later in the year," but Elop and co (http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/stephen-elop-interview/) declined to give a specific announcement on availability or price today.

The hook for the Lumia 920 happens to be the insanly cool Pureview Camera which is shaping up to be the best cameraphone on the market. Nokia has another Pureview phone boasting a whooping 41 megapixel camera and shoots better than most dedicated point and shoots. Nokia's aim here is to dispel the myth that megapixels make the camera and only using the pureview tech to have a better camera.
Too lazy to summarize it but here] (http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1824212/data/2/-/Download-pureview-820.pdf) is somthing by nokia explaining it.
(http://images.anandtech.com/galleries/2276/DSC_7973_575px.jpg)
 
The Lumia's 820's hook is while not having the awesome camera,higher res screen, or intergated wirless charging like the 920 it has an microSD card and removable backs that can add the ability for wireless charging. The camera wont be uber OH MY GOD awesome but should be better than most on the market anyway.
 
The biggest new imo is the including of wireless charging in the 920 and within the optional 820 shells.  After seeing Palm have somthing similar with webos and touchstone and the 3DS and its charging cradle (not excatly the samething) I've wondered why no one else has tried to intergrate this tech into the mainstream. Microsoft and Nokia are doing just that by teaming up with coffe shops around the country to have these charging devices built into the tables.
as per engadget
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So the big buzz of the day's just passed, but now's the time to focus on the lesser details of Nokia's big Windows Phone 8 / Lumia presser: the accessories. Revealed during the presentation today, the Lumia 920 and 820 both incorporate Qi tech for wireless charging (albeit, optionally in the latter's case), a perk that will let users choose from the company's own stylish, soap-bar like dock, Fatboy pillow or an NFC-equipped charging stand. All three function exactly as advertised -- put the phone on top and it starts charging right away. The basic dock is the same sort of plastic that now graces the outside of the Lumia line. It's simple, slightly shiny and comes in a variety of hues. The Pillow is broad, flat and not exactly comfortable. The charging element sits right in the middle and is surrounded by beanbag-like cushions on all sides save for the top -- we wouldn't advise putting it under your head to go to sleep.
 The most interesting peripheral is definitely the charging stand. It's the least cumbersome of the charging options and it's got a neat trick up its sleeve. An NFC chip embedded in its base can be used to tell a Lumia to launch an app when you place it in the dock. So, you could easily put a 920 down, keep it charged and automatically open your music player or alarm clock. You can see the NFC trick in action in a video after the break.
(http://www.winsupersite.com/content/content/144180/dock.jpg;pv2318c35428e8077a)
(http://www.winsupersite.com/content/content/144180/fatboy.jpg;pvecdce97db8624994)
(http://www.winsupersite.com/content/content/144180/speaker.jpg;pv0969ce1660e5ef99)
 
The phone's also boast some impressive screen tech that allow's for the phones screen to be used even with glove's on. (they uses oven mitts in the live demo)
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[size=1px !important]in[/size]Share As you might have heard this morning, Nokia's new Windows Phone 8 devices (http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/5/3293728/nokia-lumia-920-lumia-820-windows-phone-8-announcements) have a rather intriguing new feature built right into their screens: you can use the Lumia 820 and Lumia 920 with gloves on (http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/5/3293835/nokia-lumia-920s-capacitive-display-works-with-gloves), or even with your fingernails. The "Super Sensitive Touch" technology isn't wholly a Nokia design, though — it's a feature that Synaptics (http://www.theverge.com/tag/synaptics) has added to its ClearPad Series 3 touchscreen digitizer, which means it's quite likely to appear on other devices in the future. Presently, capacitive image touchscreens "see" your fingers by bouncing a signal off them, then measuring disturbances in the waveform. Here, the company basically increases the sensitivity of its sensors on the fly to detect gestures even if they're merely in the same vicinity. Synaptics actually showed off the feature back at the Mobile World Congress show in February of last year, detecting touches through a stack of business cards (http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/synaptics-clearpad-3250-capacitive-touchscreen-hands-on-video/), but we're pretty sure the new Lumia smartphones are the first to actually use the idea. As much as we like the notion, though, we've got a few reservations. Our handsets are rather sensitive already, if last night's pocket dials were any indication.
Speaking of Synaptics, the company is also working on a number of other interesting things as of late, like thinner, touch-detecting laptop keyboards, force-sensitive mousepads (http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/20/3255845/synaptics-forcepad-thintouch), and touchscreen panels for laptops with up to 17-inch screens.
Update: Synaptics says it has distinct profiles for glove, skin and fingernail applications, and switches between them as necessary, so perhaps pocket dialing won't be such an issue.
There were some other OS features shown as well but i'm done for the night. This along with the Microsoft service is probably as close as we will get to seeing to seeing Microsoft's answer to the Vita and 3DS.
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/06/19/microsoft_surface.jpg)
 
and on that note Micropsoft announced a windows Phone spin off to Crimson Dragon its panzer Dragoon spirtual speaker made by well the Panzer Dragoon team. Note they say they are intrested in the game as a franchise. Hopefully that means they can succed where Sega failed.
 
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Tile_300x300.png)
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Crimson-Dragon-Spotlight-480x136.png)
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We are excited to announce that Crimson Dragon: Side Story is launching on Windows Phone September 12th!  The Crimson Dragon franchise is important to us and we’re doubling down on the series. Enjoy Crimson Dragon: Side Story and stay tuned for more updates coming soonGame Features:• In Story Mode, take control of Sana and her dragon White Reaver as they are sent on a special mission revolving around the mysterious pandemic called “Crimonscale Disease”.
• In Mission Mode, the player faces a variety of situations such as high difficulty stages and continuous boss battles, competing for high scores while collecting powerful skills.
• Over 170 Skills are available to be unlocked in-game, and the unlocked skills can be “awakened” in the dragon by using “jewels”. The more powerful the skill, the more jewels are required for awakening.
• Jewels are available not only through the gameplay, but also can be obtained using a location service based on calculation of the distance a player traveled per day in the real world. Additional jewels are also available for purchase. Enter a world dominated by dragons
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CrimsonDragon_SS_04.png)
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CrimsonDragon_SS_02.png)
 
dem mobile game graphics  *barfs*
 
can tell this was made as a WP& and not WP* game. That or the dev was lazy. 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on September 05, 2012, 08:56:48 PM
Are you trying to sell us tablets and phones? Other than your first sentence, 95% of your post has nothing to do with the next Xbox and is only related because MS is involved somewhere by branding everything "Xbox".
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I think Microsoft is going to have some serious pricing advantages. I think they are going to have a not only an on-contract model like they do with the current xbox at multiple retailers, but Cable carriers may offer the 720 as a choice as a cable box as well.
Not sure what you are getting at here. Under Kytim's scenario MS doesn't have a price advantage. In your scenario the only thing "Cheaper" is the take home sticker price, but anyone with half a brain knows at the end of the day such deals are more expensive. Also the cable offerings is very US centric. It means nothing outside of North America.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 05, 2012, 09:04:00 PM

(http://i.nokia.com/image/view/-/1789904/medRes/2/-/920-product-hero-1-jpg.jpg)
(http://i.nokia.com/image/view/-/1789812/medRes/3/-/820-product-hero-2-png.png)
(http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/06/19/microsoft_surface.jpg)

Those Nokia phones look nice! I wonder if Nokia will be able to make WP8 more popular; that is the reason why Microsoft chose them as their main partner, right?

With the Surface, it seems Microsoft is finally venturing into full hardware development. Hopefully the other Windows tablet and PC manufacturers won't get too pissed about Microsoft potentially stealing their sales... I wonder if this also means that Microsoft will eventually design their own phone... Then they'd really be fighting on Apple's turf.


EDIT: Speaking of the Surface, I just saw the debut marketing ad on Microsoft's website. Why does every single company use dubstep music in their commercials? Movie trailers do it, video game ads do it, and now consumer electronic ads are doing it... Dubstep is the most overhyped music fad since emo.

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on September 05, 2012, 09:09:27 PM
Are you trying to sell us tablets and phones? Other than your first sentence, 95% of your post has nothing to do with the next Xbox and is only related because MS is involved somewhere by branding everything "Xbox".
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I think Microsoft is going to have some serious pricing advantages. I think they are going to have a not only an on-contract model like they do with the current xbox at multiple retailers, but Cable carriers may offer the 720 as a choice as a cable box as well.
Not sure what you are getting at here. Under Kytim's scenario MS doesn't have a price advantage. In your scenario the only thing "Cheaper" is the take home sticker price, but anyone with half a brain knows at the end of the day such deals are more expensive. Also the cable offerings is very US centric. It means nothing outside of North America.

The average consumer doesn't givea **** about if its more expensive in the end. If they did the US carrier bussiness wouldn't be as anti-consumer as it is. Apparnetly the program of on contract xboxs have been doing good in the west coast testing market.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 05, 2012, 09:13:41 PM
Are you trying to sell us tablets and phones? Other than your first sentence, 95% of your post has nothing to do with the next Xbox and is only related because MS is involved somewhere by branding everything "Xbox".
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I think Microsoft is going to have some serious pricing advantages. I think they are going to have a not only an on-contract model like they do with the current xbox at multiple retailers, but Cable carriers may offer the 720 as a choice as a cable box as well.
Not sure what you are getting at here. Under Kytim's scenario MS doesn't have a price advantage. In your scenario the only thing "Cheaper" is the take home sticker price, but anyone with half a brain knows at the end of the day such deals are more expensive. Also the cable offerings is very US centric. It means nothing outside of North America.

The average consumer doesn't givea **** about if its more expensive in the end. If they did the US carrier bussiness wouldn't be as anti-consumer as it is. Apparnetly the program of on contract xboxs have been doing good in the west coast testing market.


I really hope this "contract" plan won't become the only way to buy an Xbox (or any game console). I'd hate to be forced into paying an Xbox Live subscription just to own an Xbox.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Sarail on September 05, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
...but Cable carriers may offer the 720 as a choice as a cable box as well.
I wouldn't count Nintendo out from this aspect either...

(http://i.imgur.com/1nfcn.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 05, 2012, 09:32:40 PM
...but Cable carriers may offer the 720 as a choice as a cable box as well.
I wouldn't count Nintendo out from this aspect either...

(http://i.imgur.com/1nfcn.jpg)


So the future of the game console is being an all-in-one media box? Will devices like the Apple TV and Roku Box be sold this way too? They'd get a lot more units sold that way.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 05, 2012, 11:26:59 PM
Maybe that prototype thing represents one of those multiple SKUs that will be available at launch? I'm thinking the high end one.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2012, 02:49:48 AM
I thought that what that picture shows is a prototype that still requires its GamePad or Wii U Pro Controller to be wired?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2012, 02:53:22 AM
Are you trying to sell us tablets and phones? Other than your first sentence, 95% of your post has nothing to do with the next Xbox and is only related because MS is involved somewhere by branding everything "Xbox".
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I think Microsoft is going to have some serious pricing advantages. I think they are going to have a not only an on-contract model like they do with the current xbox at multiple retailers, but Cable carriers may offer the 720 as a choice as a cable box as well.
Not sure what you are getting at here. Under Kytim's scenario MS doesn't have a price advantage. In your scenario the only thing "Cheaper" is the take home sticker price, but anyone with half a brain knows at the end of the day such deals are more expensive. Also the cable offerings is very US centric. It means nothing outside of North America.

The average consumer doesn't givea **** about if its more expensive in the end. If they did the US carrier bussiness wouldn't be as anti-consumer as it is. Apparnetly the program of on contract xboxs have been doing good in the west coast testing market.

I really hope this "contract" plan won't become the only way to buy an Xbox (or any game console). I'd hate to be forced into paying an Xbox Live subscription just to own an Xbox.

I doubt it would be the only way to own an XBox. For example, you can buy the latest iPhone right now without needing to sign up for a 2-year contract. It'll just cost you anywhere from 649 to 849 US Dollars.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on September 06, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
Looks like the 720 may be delayed
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Just to pour a bit more oil on the uncertain waters of the next Xbox, a new report has emerged suggesting that the console may miss its expected 2013 release date.

A story on tech news site SemiAccurate claims that the processor in the next Xbox is being manufactured by AMD - a change from the IBM PowerPC chip in the Xbox 360 - and should start rolling off the production lines in December, but has been hit by manufacturing problems.

The site's sources say that the chip, codenamed "Oban", is being manufactured in huge quantities at a variety of different manufacturing plants in the Far East, which is fairly standard practice for consumer electronics. The problem, apparently, is that most of the chips coming off the production line aren't good enough to pass testing. That means a lot of duff silicon and a greatly reduced ability to manufacture consoles.

This isn't uncommon with new chip manufacture, but the numbers are apparently dangerouslybad andmaymean that Microsoft won't be able to make enough new consoles to meet the expected Xbox 720 launch date of autumn 2013. There's still time to get things sorted, says the report, but not much - if the production problems aren't resolved by November, and chips don't start arriving in big numbers by February, then we might have to wait until 2014 to get the next Xbox.

Could this be the source of Gamestop's recent suggestion that a next-gen console could arrive in 2014? Probably not, we reckon - SemiAccurate's story says that Microsoft is still clinging to a 2013 release date for Xbox 720, and Sony's still got to make a few more quid back on PS3.

Exciting, entirely unconfirmed and possibly completely made-up times. On that subject, here's our roundup of the daftest Xbox 720 rumours.


 http://semiaccurate.com/2012/09/04/microsoft-xbox-next-delay-rumors-abound/

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Post by: ShyGuy on September 06, 2012, 09:53:31 AM
oh no
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 06, 2012, 11:23:46 AM
Microsoft had the same problems with the Xbox 360 launch, so its mot surprising that they hit a snag with manufacturing problems. But are they using AMD for the CPU or GPU (ATI), or both? Either way, it means that backwards compatibility will be an issue once again, relying on unreliable software emulation instead of built-in hardware.

Good thing Nintendo knows how true backwards compatibility works. The Virtual Console, 3DS, Wii, and now Wii U are all doing it right.

Now where are all the PS4 rumors?!
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 06, 2012, 11:59:39 AM
aren't good enough to pass testing.

So in other words, its a typical Micro$oft product.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 06, 2012, 12:37:31 PM
Lulz you be so funny.

Anywho I was under the impression that what the wii did with the vc and gamecube was emulation.

Also microsoft won't let backwards compatabilty die. They have been toughting it that for windows phone 8 and windows 8.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 06, 2012, 12:41:27 PM
Lulz you be so funny.

It might seem like I was joking but I am dead serious. Do Red Rings and Blue Screens of Death ring any bells to you? It would not surprise me in the least if the Xbox420 ends up being plagued by similar issues. This seems par for the course with Microsoft products.

Watch this video and then you will see what I mean.


Something like this could easily happen at E3 2013 or E3 2014 when their new console is unveiled.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 06, 2012, 01:44:50 PM
Oh no I understand where excatly your coming from. Just I see no point in focusing or analyyzing the negative. Its not like thwey didn't handle the rrod situation well. Eh no reason to let all thatgeton my mind when buying a product.

Will still probably be looking forward to the next nexus device from google thoughthe Nexus7 and galaxynexus willstillhave problems.

Guess I'm not as cautious as most.

Also youtube needs to fix their html5 support. Internet explorer on xbox doesn't have flash and the leanback website sucks
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 06, 2012, 04:46:30 PM
If the chip is faulty, it's AMD's fault since they designed and manufactured it.

Not sure I would call this a delay since there is no release date. Even so, I am sure Microsoft would try to get AMD to get their act together ASAP.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 06, 2012, 06:09:20 PM
Not sure I would call this a delay since there is no release date.

Well, not so much a release date as a release year. Clearly they would want to get it out for holiday 2013 both because of the better sales, and also to have a full year head start over the PS4 which was a strategy that worked out well for them in this current gen. If they miss the holiday 2013 window then they would have to do it in like March 2014, or even wait until holiday 2014 which is far from ideal.

Not to mention if they miss the 2013 that means Nintendo will have two years in a row of holiday sales completely to themselves. I don't see how Sony or MS could ever be able to catch up to that, no matter how much more powerful their systems would be. Missing 2012 is a given, but if they miss that plus 2013 Nintendo is going to dominate with like 90% marketshare and it will be just like the PS2 all over again. That's why this is crucial (for them) that they don't miss this window.

Even if the hardware is buggy and failure prone I wouldn't be surprised if they go with it anyway, because the cost of replacing RROD systems is probably less than the cost of surrendering two years of the market to Nintendo. They rushed the 360 out in 2005 before it was really ready, and it cost them dearly to get those problems sorted out, but in the end that's why they are the strongest player in the market this generation. So it was worth it to rush it.
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Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2012, 06:47:25 PM
The SNES was able to catch up with the Genesis even though it came out two years late wasn't it?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 06, 2012, 07:39:39 PM
The SNES was able to catch up with the Genesis even though it came out two years late wasn't it?

That's one way of looking at it. But when you consider the total dominance that the NES had, and how insignificant the Master System was in comparison the fact the Genesis was able to expand Sega's marketshare so much is nothing short of astounding.

Also, Sega kinda fumbled the ball with the Genesis with the Sega CD and 32x addons which never really caught on. That is one factor which also helped the SNES catch up. Sega was also a company with very limited resources so they couldn't do things like moneyhats and so on like Microsoft and Sony can. It was a totally different situation back then then how things are today.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 06, 2012, 08:54:58 PM
I still think the PS4 has a shot at 2013 as well.  Maybe Sony finally figured out how to hide things a little better.  MS has obviously had a problem hiding things this year.  Still, it's exciting to think that the new generation is about to start soon and what will it mean in the next couple of years.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 06, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
PlayStation 4 hasn't even been officially announced by Sony, so I think there is a very slim chance at best in it coming out in 2013.
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Post by: Ceric on September 06, 2012, 09:35:09 PM
The PS4 doesn't need to come out in 2014.  WiiU needs to make up ground.  XBox is not super popular outside of US.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 07, 2012, 02:38:51 PM
PlayStation 4 hasn't even been officially announced by Sony, so I think there is a very slim chance at best in it coming out in 2013.
Well, Xbox 720 has never been officially announced by MS either, so does that mean there's little chance of it coming out in 2013 as well?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 07, 2012, 03:25:44 PM
PlayStation 4 hasn't even been officially announced by Sony, so I think there is a very slim chance at best in it coming out in 2013.
Well, Xbox 720 has never been officially announced by MS either, so does that mean there's little chance of it coming out in 2013 as well?

Good point. We all know all three companies are working on their successors, and have been for some time. I don't know why TJ has to nitpick about how they haven't officially confirmed it. Do they really need to? Whether they've confirmed it or not, we know it. The only way they wouldn't is if they decided to throw in the towel with the video game business. There's a slim chance Sony might want to throw in the towel, but I doubt it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 08, 2012, 05:29:20 PM
So as we all know the 6th was Fashion's Night Out and the 5th-13th is New York Fashion Week.  Microsoft teamed up with Bloomingdales and showed off some cool NUI and kinect stuff.

 http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2012/09/07/microsoft-fashion-and-technology.aspx

 (http://www.microsoft.com/global/en-us/news/publishingimages/ImageGallery/Images/Events/2012/event_fw01SwivelVirtual_Page.jpg)
(http://www.microsoft.com/global/en-us/news/publishingimages/ImageGallery/Images/Events/2012/event_fw02VirtualCloset_Page.jpg)
(http://www.microsoft.com/global/en-us/news/publishingimages/ImageGallery/Images/Events/2012/event_fw03ChangeStyle_Page.jpg)
(http://www.microsoft.com/global/en-us/news/publishingimages/ImageGallery/Images/Events/2012/event_fw08ResearchPrinting_Page.jpg)
(http://www.microsoft.com/global/en-us/news/publishingimages/ImageGallery/Images/Events/2012/event_fw09WindowDisplays_Page.jpg)

 [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=6VEC4hpAXHU[/youtube]

And this isn't the first time kinect has been used for this type of thing.

 



Sadly it means two things.

1) Kinect is actually useful for non gaming things and has a future.
2)Microsoft is going to take this and use it to justify shoving kinect down our throats and putting it every where to grab the non gamer.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 09, 2012, 11:42:19 AM
That's kind of interesting. Nothing for gamers, but interesting.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 09, 2012, 12:36:10 PM
Well it in directly effects us because Microsoft should be rolling out Kinect Nuads sometime later this year.

(http://www.adweek.com/files/imagecache/node-detail/news_article/xbox-nuads-hed-2012.jpg)

 http://venturebeat.com/2012/05/16/nuads-kinect-microsoft/
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The company’s natural user-interface ads, or NUads, use Xbox Kinect’s motion sensing technology to transform TV commercials into something you can actively participate in with minimal effort. For instance, people can vote in real-time for a product or service by waving their hand, schedule a calendar reminder for an upcoming TV show, or say “Xbox Near Me” to see a map of locations for whatever retail store just advertised to them. Microsoft first showed off its NUads project at the Cannes International Advertising Festival last June.

“During the Super Bowl, you’re watching TV, some great ads pop up,” said Microsoft manager Lyn Watts in a recent Cnet report. “You say something like, ‘Xbox share,’ it’ll share automatically, on Facebook or Twitter, whatever you like. Advertisers are really impressed by this.”

Essentially, the NUads platform has the potential to start producing commercials that “watch you” while your watching them. In doing so, Microsoft thinks it can lure people away from DVR devices that permit skipping through the commercial breaks that play throughout a TV show. Satellite television service provider Dish Network is even making new DVR boxes (the appropriately named “Hopper” box) that automatically “hops” through those commercials.

The NUads launch couldn’t have come at a better time for the broadcast television industry, which has recently spoken out about how traditional advertising is failing to keep up with audience behavior.


 http://techland.time.com/2012/06/18/microsofts-kinect-nuads-will-be-even-more-in-your-face-perhaps-for-the-better/
 http://www.adweek.com/news/technology/microsoft-officially-unveils-nuads-141110




 

 

 


While the tech is kind of cool and this will only further microsofts grip on the living room. Kind of sucks Microsoft has effectivly made the xbox into a crazy ad driven thing on top of the live subscription.

In one quater alone microsoft made $4.24 billion on xbox live.
 http://m.joystiq.com/2012/01/20/microsofts-xbox-division-revenue-at-4-24-billion-in-q2-xbox-l/


 And according to a penny arcade article microsoft makes a crazy amount of money on dashboard ads.
 http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/ads-up-games-down-the-ugly-profitable-truth-about-xbox-live-advertising
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 09, 2012, 01:20:44 PM
Good thing PlayStation is still all about the games. The Xbox is quickly becoming a complete multimedia device, but that was Microsoft's intention all along.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 09, 2012, 01:32:09 PM
Probably in the miniority but I'd rather have a media box (xbox, roku, apple tv) compared to something that only plays games or its focus.
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Post by: Kytim89 on September 09, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
Since Microsoft is making so much money could we see a situation where Microsoft allows another RRoD situation for the Xbox 720? Although it would make sense for them to make good hardware out of the box and make money, but it seems to me that this is Microsoft we are dealing with and they might be willing to deal with another RRoD to compete with Nintendo for market share.
 
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 09, 2012, 03:07:16 PM
I could see microsoft rushing through the first batch of hardware and not looking at. Problems. Honestly speaking I don't think having another rrod would hurt them. They still had the most marketshare gain in spite of hardware problems. That and the overall non gamer audience doesn't really care as much as us the hardcore crowd does. Most people I know don't remember it.


The same thing with the iphone. The nerd crowd complained about the anntente stuff. While most of my mainstream friends didn't care and thought it was cool to get a free case.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 09, 2012, 03:21:53 PM
Since 99% of all media is crap, and games make up an inordinate part of the 1%, I'll stick with just a game console thx.
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Post by: Kairon on September 09, 2012, 03:59:14 PM
Honestly, I'm fearing the day when Microsoft starts integrating Kinect into our homes ("smart" homes). For that day Skynet/HAL/ZeroOne/Omnius will be born and it will be the beginning of the end.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 09, 2012, 04:19:52 PM
Killer robots.  :o
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 10, 2012, 05:51:04 PM
I could see microsoft rushing through the first batch of hardware and not looking at. Problems.
While I agree that I could see them rushing it, I don't think it'll happen this time around.  The plan for the hardware they are using seems to have been in place for a couple years now and they aren't dealing with a contract with the current makers of the 360 expiring before the 720 is rumored to be released.  Plus they are the best selling system every month for over a year now.  No reason to rush.  If there are RROD problems, then they really dropped the ball somewhere.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 10, 2012, 07:16:47 PM
I could see microsoft rushing through the first batch of hardware and not looking at. Problems.
While I agree that I could see them rushing it, I don't think it'll happen this time around.  The plan for the hardware they are using seems to have been in place for a couple years now and they aren't dealing with a contract with the current makers of the 360 expiring before the 720 is rumored to be released.  Plus they are the best selling system every month for over a year now.  No reason to rush.  If there are RROD problems, then they really dropped the ball somewhere.


If Xbox 360 is the best-selling console for over a year, and Wii sales are in decline, then why hasn't the Xbox 360 surpassed the Wii's worldwide sales numbers yet?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 10, 2012, 07:17:44 PM
Give Xbox 360 about 15 years and it might (even if Nintendo stopped manufacturing the Wii right this second). LOL

Xbox 360 sales are down too, as are PlayStation 3. All 3 consoles have been declining in sales.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 10, 2012, 08:21:04 PM
The economy has been in decline. The Wii still sells well even without new games, because its the most affordable of the three. Its the most recession friendly option.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 10, 2012, 08:27:55 PM
The economy has been in decline. The Wii still sells well even without new games, because its the most affordable of the three. Its the most recession friendly option.


But the $200 Xbox 360 is a much better value, because it has more games than the Wii (most of which are also higher quality). But you can get also get a PS3 for only $50 more, which gives you a large hard drive and Blu-ray capabilities out of the box. Both the Xbox 360 and PS3 are also all-in-one media boxes, capable of streaming video, music, etc. from the web.


Yes the Wii is cheaper, but the overall experience is lesser than what you'd get on either a PS3 or Xbox 360.


It feels like it's 2007 all over again...
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Post by: nickmitch on September 12, 2012, 07:57:19 AM
Because the Wii sold so many units that the 360 probably won't catch up. It's not that complicated.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2012, 01:01:29 AM
The economy has been in decline. The Wii still sells well even without new games, because its the most affordable of the three. Its the most recession friendly option.


But the $200 Xbox 360 is a much better value, because it has more games than the Wii (most of which are also higher quality). But you can get also get a PS3 for only $50 more, which gives you a large hard drive and Blu-ray capabilities out of the box. Both the Xbox 360 and PS3 are also all-in-one media boxes, capable of streaming video, music, etc. from the web.


Yes the Wii is cheaper, but the overall experience is lesser than what you'd get on either a PS3 or Xbox 360.


It feels like it's 2007 all over again...

What kind of Tendo Fanboy are you?
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 14, 2012, 11:10:30 AM
So microsoft has offically announced the formation of the new london studio which is focusing on windows 8 games.


 http://mobile.theverge.com/gaming/2012/9/14/3330842/microsoft-london-studio-forms-to-focus-on-windows-8-tablet-titles

 
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Microsoft Studios announced today a new London-based studio headed by Lee Schuneman, the former production director of Rare.

The currently nameless studiowill focus on developing "a long-term business with Entertainment as a Service at its core," according to Microsoft, while working with "Windows 8 tablet devices as the underlying technology and platforms as part of Microsoft Studios' continued expansion across the region."


Really wondering what microsoft plans to do with nintendo jumping on the whole living room market.  Though I think its going to be different than what nintendo is doing in a few aspects.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 14, 2012, 12:30:45 PM
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Microsoft Studios announced today a new London-based studio headed by Lee Schuneman, the former production director of Rare.
You know what this means, don't you?
 
Microsoft is getting ready to sell Rare...back to Nintendo!!
 
I can draem, can't I?
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Post by: Do_What on September 14, 2012, 12:37:04 PM
Do you actually want Rare back with Nintendo?
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 14, 2012, 12:41:24 PM
I would be delighted if Nintendo once again owned all the Rare IP.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 14, 2012, 01:57:23 PM
I would be delighted if Nintendo once again owned all the Rare IP.

Yeah, I don't really care about getting the tattered remains of the studio back, but getting the IPs for Virtual Console and future sequels would be very nice.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2012, 07:06:28 PM
Microsoft is doing nothing with those IPs so they might as well sell them.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 14, 2012, 07:09:25 PM
They're worth more to Microsoft doing nothing than letting them go back to someone who can and will make money off them.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 14, 2012, 07:16:37 PM
That's not really true. If I were a Microsoft shareholder and found out they were sitting on those IPs and doing absolutely nothing with them while someone else made a significant offer for them, I'd be pretty pissed about it. Nintendo suddenly being able to make a new Jet Force Gemini game isn't going to turn the tide of the console war, and Microsoft would be stupid to sit on something they had no intention of using just to spite someone. That's assuming Steve Ballmer isn't as much of a complete moron as he seems, and that Nintendo would actually want them enough to make a real offer.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2012, 07:17:44 PM
They're worth more to Microsoft doing nothing than letting them go back to someone who can and will make money off them.

I wouldn't expect Microsoft to give the IPs back for free. They would sell them back, so it would be worth their while because they would be getting money, and we all know M$ loves money.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 14, 2012, 07:22:18 PM
They have been porting several of those IP's to Xbox Live Arcade.
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Post by: Kytim89 on September 14, 2012, 08:56:14 PM
They have been porting several of those IP's to Xbox Live Arcade.

I do not think they sold very well.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2012, 09:27:45 PM
I would LOVE a new KillerInstinct4 by Retro

so in the alternate reality where this was going to happen, I would hope that this would be part of the reason.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 14, 2012, 09:35:40 PM
They have been porting several of those IP's to Xbox Live Arcade.

I do not think they sold very well.

What exactly are you basing that on? Microsoft doesn't give out numbers for XBLA and being first party I doubt anybody there would go badmouthing it to the press.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 15, 2012, 06:52:37 AM
They have been porting several of those IP's to Xbox Live Arcade.

I do not think they sold very well.

What exactly are you basing that on? Microsoft doesn't give out numbers for XBLA and being first party I doubt anybody there would go badmouthing it to the press.

For that exact same reason, if the sales had been great they would have openly boasted about it. The fact they were silent means they had nothing positive to say.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 15, 2012, 09:14:55 AM
They sold well enough for an arcade game I'd imagne.

Also microsoft wouldn't sell the IPs. They would lisence them to another company. That waythey get money every so often but still retain the rights and in universe stuff. They did for Shadowrun and mechwarrior.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 16, 2012, 06:36:06 AM
Instead of licensing those old IPs, if Nintendo really wanted to they could have Retro make clones of them. Like Battle Toads, make a game called War Frogs, or something and just change the names and the various details to avoid lawsuits, but have it be blatantly the same thing in every legally possible way. And the same could be done with Killer Instinct by creating a game with a very similar name like Lethal Instinct or something, and have very similar characters and very similar moves and so on. Make it different enough so that lawsuits are avoided, but keep it as close to the old games as possible.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 16, 2012, 09:34:58 AM
Thank god that will never happen.

In all honstly I'd rather nintendo focus on new mascots and the ones it has.

Starfox
Pushmo
Sakurai Samurai
Fzero
Mole maina
Excitebike


That and I wouldn't mind them doing a bayonetta for other franchises to get exclusivlty

Mystical Ninja Goemon
Fatal Frame
Crystal Chronciles
Breath of Fire
Darksiders 3

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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 16, 2012, 04:52:47 PM
They co-own the Fatal Frame IP now (Tecmo Koei confirmed it last month), so that will always be exclusive.
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Post by: Kairon on September 16, 2012, 05:09:59 PM
Breath of Fire would be pretty awesome  to have Nintendo and Capcom bring back as exclusive. Maybe the Darksiders franchise as well if that series falls on hard times.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 16, 2012, 06:38:01 PM
I would love Nintendo to Co-Own the rights to Dark Stalkers and make it "Nintendo's 2D fighter" and split the cost of developing it with Capcom...but you know this is a Xbox 720 thread...so lets get back on topic.

With the real of Wii U do you think the Xbox 720 needs to do anything differently or stay the course to be successful.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 16, 2012, 11:06:56 PM
720 is going to have step up it's TV/Movie offering, that's fo' sho.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 16, 2012, 11:51:23 PM
I would LOVE a new KillerInstinct4 by Retro

so in the alternate reality where this was going to happen, I would hope that this would be part of the reason.


Killer Instinct (along with all of Rare's other properties) is owned by Microsoft. The only way Nintendo could get the game is if Microsoft licensed out the IP, which will never happen.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 16, 2012, 11:54:06 PM
I would LOVE a new KillerInstinct4 by Retro

so in the alternate reality where this was going to happen, I would hope that this would be part of the reason.


Killer Instinct (along with all of Rare's other properties) is owned by Microsoft. The only way Nintendo could get the game is if Microsoft licensed out the IP, which will never happen.

Please read his post again and the ones before it (which he was replying to), he was talking about what game he would like to see if Nintendo were to buy back Rare's IPs from Microsoft.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2012, 01:08:57 AM
I would LOVE a new KillerInstinct4 by Retro

so in the alternate reality where this was going to happen, I would hope that this would be part of the reason.


Killer Instinct (along with all of Rare's other properties) is owned by Microsoft. The only way Nintendo could get the game is if Microsoft licensed out the IP, which will never happen.

Please read his post again and the ones before it (which he was replying to), he was talking about what game he would like to see if Nintendo were to buy back Rare's IPs from Microsoft.

Thank you TJ, I was about face palm him...

Tendo, follow the conversation.
I even mentioned "the alternate reality where this was going to happen" in my post.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 17, 2012, 04:53:07 PM
I'm thinking the next Xbox will have 4gb of RAM, with 512mb to 1gb be reserved for the OS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2012, 11:11:51 PM
I was recently informed that the X720 was rumored to have 12GB of RAM in the devkit, while targeting 8GB retail.

I can't imagine how expensive the system will be if they pack it with 8GB of decently fast RAM in the retail version.
MS must be looking for PC parity ports in the next Xbox or something.
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Post by: Sarail on September 17, 2012, 11:31:50 PM
Hooooly shiz. Why does a console need that much RAM? Overkill, I say. My PC has 6, and I feel like it's too much some times. Geez.

Next Xbox = $599 US DOLLARS? AMIRITE?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 17, 2012, 11:34:20 PM
$600 would be lowballing it with 8GB of RAM. 8GB is high end for a gaming PC, and a console would have fewer needs for that much RAM.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2012, 11:44:59 PM
I had to edit the dev kit amount of ram, but the targeted amount is still the same.

Either way, that is a ridiculous amount for a console. very much overkill (until we see exactly what they have planned for all of that).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 17, 2012, 11:51:37 PM
I was recently informed that the X720 was rumored to have 12GB of RAM in the devkit, while targeting 8GB retail.

I can't imagine how expensive the system will be if they pack it with 8GB of decently fast RAM in the retail version.
MS must be looking for PC parity ports in the next Xbox or something.

Isn't 8GB RAM what I've been saying all along? You guys all thought I was crazy and it wouldn't happen, but who is crazy now? AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
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Post by: Sarail on September 17, 2012, 11:53:33 PM
If it, and Sony's console are really going for crazy tech - which in turn would cause both systems to be hilariously expensive, then I'm not worried one bit about where Nintendo stands.

Surely developers would be smart enough to realize they'd be killing themselves financially if they were to go with either of those two platforms as the default.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 18, 2012, 01:00:37 AM
Unless Sony is making a real barn burner, there's no practical reason for MS to go 8gb RAM. At four gig they still double or triple the Wii U's useable RAM and considering what they got out of 512, it seems like a waste of money.
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Post by: Kairon on September 18, 2012, 02:11:59 AM
I don't know. They might have a reason for that much RAM. But god... I can't imagine an 8GB system coming out for any amount of money I could remotely imagine paying... I guess this is where MS leverages a payment plan option, or mandates a 3 year contract for XBox Live or something to make the up-front cost palatable.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 18, 2012, 02:33:24 AM
Maybe it's a 2gb fast video card RAM and 6gb system RAM?Still, 2gb of video memory is not cheap either.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2012, 02:59:14 AM
Xbox 420 needs 8GB of RAM because it will be running Windoze so it needs a lot of RAM because Windoze is a resource hog.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 18, 2012, 06:29:37 AM
Xbox 420 needs 8GB of RAM because it will be running Windoze so it needs a lot of RAM because Windoze is a resource hog.

So it's essentially a PC? Pass.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2012, 07:36:07 AM
Since day one the Xbox has been essentially a closed architecture PC. I believe it has been their intention all along to do this simply to preserve and to expand their desktop monopoly. It is no secret that with the rise of tablets and consoles, the significance of old fashioned desktop computers has diminished. They are no longer as relevant as they once were, because now other devices are starting to fill the same roles.

But anyway, 8GB of RAM is about what you'd expect on a brand new PC on the market today. Windoze is and always has been a bloated monstrosity which has been pushing PC hardware requirements for the last two decades. So it shouldn't be any surprise that this is what they are going to do with consoles as well. This is how M$ rolls.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 18, 2012, 08:44:18 AM
Windows 8 is really lightweight. The minimum ram requirements are 1GB. Also the pwrtstbat would be used for the new xbox would be the metro WinRT bits which has been tested to run efficiently on low power arm chips.


And it wouldn't be running windows.  :)It would be running the Windows NT core the same as windows 8 and Windows Phone. Ghat allows for easier porting of games and apps between the three but it isn't the same thing at all.

Calling it a PC woulld be as stupid as calling the apple TV one because it runs ios which shares a lot of code from Mac OS X.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 18, 2012, 10:55:38 AM
So Lionhead has pretty much confrimed the rumors they have moved onto nextgen game development.

 http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/fable_the_journey/news/lionhead_transition_to_next-gen_is_an_exciting_and_scary_time.html

The kinect Sports series has sold 6 million units thus far.  Meaning without a doubt rare is going to work on kinect for a long time to come.


Microsoft announced on the Playxbla blog that they. Have renewed the trademark for killer Instinct. Meaning its either Killer Instinct 3 or HD remakes of the game.


 http://playxbla.com/killer-instinct-trademark-renewed/


Always wondered why Nintendo or Microsoft has never tried to make new DD installments of their franchises. Why not a new 2D metroid or a new n64 style banjo game on wiiware or 360.
 

Also microsoft are holding a windows 8 launch event the 25th.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 18, 2012, 11:14:31 AM
If they put 8gb RAM in the system, it will either cost a ton or they will no longer have shared RAM between the video card and CPU. 8gb GDDR5 video RAM is too expensive and 8gb DDR3 system RAM is too slow.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 18, 2012, 11:48:04 AM
If they put 8gb RAM in the system, it will either cost a ton or they will no longer have shared RAM between the video card and CPU. 8gb GDDR5 video RAM is too expensive and 8gb DDR3 system RAM is too slow.

What if they split the RAM in half? 2GB video RAM, 2GB system RAM? Like what the PS3 did with its 256MB + 256MB RAM.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 18, 2012, 03:12:27 PM
But didn't everybody hate Sony for setting it up that way?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2012, 03:49:45 PM
But didn't everybody hate Sony for setting it up that way?

I don't know about the hate, but it certainly made the PS3 extremely difficult to develop for, and that's why Skyrim on the PS3 is the bug ridden joke that it is.

It was a shame Sony set the PS3 up the way they did, because the Cell processor really is a beast and in terms of processing power the PS3 is the most powerful system of this generation, but because of the RAM limitations that power is bottlenecked and isn't really capable of being fully utilized, so the advantage is wasted. The 360 has a technically inferior processor to the PS3, but because they have a better RAM setup the 360 ends up taking the cake as the most powerful system overall.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 18, 2012, 07:36:17 PM
8GB is too much for a console.  Most phones are at 1gb.  My laptop is at 6GB of shared ram and it rarely ever uses all of it and I multitask a lot with it.  I still think it'll end up with only 4GB.

Though prices of RAM are continuing to go down.  Maybe they think it'll be cost effective by the time they start mass producing the 720.
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Post by: Kairon on September 18, 2012, 08:16:34 PM
8GB is too much for a console.  Most phones are at 1gb.  My laptop is at 6GB of shared ram and it rarely ever uses all of it and I multitask a lot with it.  I still think it'll end up with only 4GB.

Though prices of RAM are continuing to go down.  Maybe they think it'll be cost effective by the time they start mass producing the 720.

Maybe they're designing for a 10-year life cycle? This is another difference between MS' demonstrated goals with their console hardware vs. Nintendo. Nintendo tries for "good enough" and "profitable," but MS has demonstrated that they are comfortable with future-proofing their releases as much as possible (Didn't the 360 have graphics tech that didn't hit PCs until slightly later?) and willing to take that up-front cost/pricing hit for benefits years later in the game.

Maybe 8 GBs RAM won't look so ridiculous if the XBox 720 is intended to still be relevant in a large way in 2022?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 18, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
Kairon:  But that isn't wise Business.  Nobody can predict the trends of computing and gaming in 10 years.  Nobody knows where the technology will go and what players will want to play.

I think Nintendo has proven that with the Wii, and the DS, and the 3DS...and the rise of Tablet computers which has drastically disrupted the home computing market. 

Creating good enough for 5-6 years will ensure a product that is affordable for consumers, and will allow the company to look at the market and consumer trends and find out where the future for gaming is heading.

Another thing is that 8 GB Ram is expensive and unnecessary for this market of gaming....even 4 GB Ram is probably pushing it...but whatever. 

However, in 6 years 8GB of Ram might be dirt cheap  (probably will be) and technology will be able to properly use it (assuming things keep on advancing to need more power.)  By then when you release your new system you could be putting in 12 GB Ram for very little cost. 

To me it doesn't make sense to do too much future proofing.  Nintendo does too little.  However, I think the PS3 was perhaps too much...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2012, 12:26:28 AM
8GB is too much for a console.  Most phones are at 1gb.  My laptop is at 6GB of shared ram and it rarely ever uses all of it and I multitask a lot with it.  I still think it'll end up with only 4GB.

Though prices of RAM are continuing to go down.  Maybe they think it'll be cost effective by the time they start mass producing the 720.

Maybe they're designing for a 10-year life cycle? This is another difference between MS' demonstrated goals with their console hardware vs. Nintendo. Nintendo tries for "good enough" and "profitable," but MS has demonstrated that they are comfortable with future-proofing their releases as much as possible (Didn't the 360 have graphics tech that didn't hit PCs until slightly later?) and willing to take that up-front cost/pricing hit for benefits years later in the game.

Maybe 8 GBs RAM won't look so ridiculous if the XBox 720 is intended to still be relevant in a large way in 2022?

& MS has yet to even see the light at the other end of the tunnel when it comes to being profitable on the Xbox brand. Only someone like MS can take that massive loss leader approach in a for profit industry only to further push their living room agenda.
I'm sure MS is probably dancing on the edges of an "unfair business practices" lawsuit by using massive profits from one industry to buy it's way into another industry in a way that pushes out fair competition that is trying to make a profit.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 02:40:27 AM

& MS has yet to even see the light at the other end of the tunnel when it comes to being profitable on the Xbox brand. Only someone like MS can take that massive loss leader approach in a for profit industry only to further push their living room agenda.
I'm sure MS is probably dancing on the edges of an "unfair business practices" lawsuit by using massive profits from one industry to buy it's way into another industry in a way that pushes out fair competition that is trying to make a profit.


I really don't think Microsoft cares about being a corporate bully anymore. They have their Surface tablet, which will coexist with the other Windows 8 tablets. They have the Xbox, which has coexisted with Sony and Nintendo's platforms. Microsoft isn't Apple, you know. :)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 03:11:42 AM
which will coexist

You mean like how Internet Explorer "coexisted" with Netscape?
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Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 08:01:19 AM
I'm not invested enough to offer an opinion either way, but tendoboy did specifically say "I really don't think Microsoft cares about being a corporate bully anymore." Anymore being the operative word. Netscape isn't really a relevant or appropriate counterpoint to what he's saying about Microsoft today because he's saying they aren't like that anymore. That's up to him to defend though.

Anyway, if I had to guess, Orbis/Durango will probably have 3GB-4GB of RAM. It's a jump, but not crazy one.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 08:39:15 AM
What do you mean Microsoft has yet to see the light at the end of tunnel of the TV race.

 http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/16/in-tv-race-microsoft-has-lead-forrester-says/

They are in the lead of a seperatemarket than the one they enetered and its a market that's still young and going to have massive growth. Not only that but going into their next console their fling to have a ton of partnerships from the xbox they can easily exploit.

Not only that but the 360 has been a profitable system since 2010 and that's not counting all of the kinects sold as well as the $4.8 billion that xbox live estimates to make per quarter.


And don't use the bullshit excuse that Microsoft is using unfair bussiness pratices about using money from one market to fuel another. If tthat were the case Sony,apple, and google would have been hit as well right? That's how business goes. If the other guy cant compete he is obviously playing out of his league. (Like oyua for example)

And really all I here from Chozo is crape that happened in the past. Who cares its about the now and what Microsoft has done as a forward facing company.


In other news Microsoft is starting a new studio helmed by former CBS exec Nancy Tellem who helped greenlight hits like survivor. Tellem will work to create both interactive and "linear" content as Entertainment & Digital Media president, overseeing a new production studio located in Los Angeles.

 http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/18/3353102/microsoft-original-content-xbox-cbs-nancy-tellem

So Microsoft has a new studio under the xbox brand that doesn't even make games. From the info above it seems its going to have to functions. Developing original traditional TV style content for the xbox platform aswell as developing interactive television like Microsoft's own Soho Productions studio is doing with the seasme street TV and Nat Geo TV.

Related too that Kinect Seasme Street TV and Kinect Nat Geo TV released the other day. I was surprised to see on the marketplace it isn't a game but a TV styled app with a lot of options.  I want to say I'm surprised that the game industry hasn't reported on this but then I remember the audience is man childern and the core gamer Bates familes for some odd reason. Going to post some screen shots later.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 08:45:42 AM
The only way Micro$oft could make a product that doesn't suck is if they made a vacuum cleaner.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 09:40:45 AM
Yet we have the

Xbox
Windows
Windows Phone
Microsoft Office
Skydrive (the best cloud service when it comes to amount of data given and cost for additional data)
Internet Explorer 10
Skype

All products that have gotten rave reviews.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 19, 2012, 10:05:40 AM
I think Microsoft makes good products, but they had nothing to do with making Skype. They only bought it earlier this year, after Skype was already uber popular and successful.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 10:12:39 AM
which will coexist

You mean like how Internet Explorer "coexisted" with Netscape?

Netscape hasn't been relevant in over 15 years. And it has nothing to do with the Microsoft of today. Internet Explorer is happily coexisting with Google Chrome, Safari, and Firefox. MS Office is available on both Windows and Mac. Xbox is coexisting with PlayStation and Nintendo. Need I go on to further illustrate my point?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 10:13:18 AM
Yet we have the

Xbox

Red Ring of Death

Windows

Blue Screen of Death

Internet Explorer 10

All products that have gotten rave reviews.

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/uk-microsoft-browser-idUSLNE88I01L20120919 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/uk-microsoft-browser-idUSLNE88I01L20120919)
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 10:17:31 AM
Microsoft isn't Apple, which is doing more bullying today than Microsoft did in the 1990's. (See their frivolous lawsuits with Samsung and Google)

Apple is the new Microsoft.

Speaking of Samsung, I tried the new Galaxy tablets at Best Buy, and I can't believe how people can like them. The resolution is nowhere as good as an iPad 3, which is odd since Samsung makes the screens for iPads. The Asus Transformer Infinity is closer to an iPad than a Galaxy tablet (regarding its display quality).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 10:22:21 AM
Netscape hasn't been relevant in over 15 years.

Gee, I wonder why. They were relevant right up until Micro$oft bundled IE with Windoze. I guess you think that was just a coincidence and had nothing to do with their demise.

And it has nothing to do with the Microsoft of today.

It has everything to do with Microsoft. Nothing has changed. If Microsoft were able to destroy Sony and Nintendo they would do so. The only reason they haven't is because they are unable, but the desire and the intent is there. They want any given market they are in all to themselves. They are anti-competitive and monopolistic. They are spending billions of dollars from the PC OS market to strong arm their way to dominance in a new market. This is a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 10:26:51 AM
And Apple is doing the exact same thing with the tablet market, their ridiculous smartphone patents, and their lawsuits against Samsung and Google.

Netscape was reborn as Firefox, so Microsoft didn't kill them off completely.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
I think Microsoft makes good products, but they had nothing to do with making Skype. They only bought it earlier this year, after Skype was already uber popular and successful.


Eh I guess so.

But using that logic apple shouldn't be considered the maker of some parts of ios and depending on who you talk too Mac os as a whole. Same thing with google buying sparrow last month. Hell google bought android.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 10:36:58 AM
I think Microsoft makes good products, but they had nothing to do with making Skype. They only bought it earlier this year, after Skype was already uber popular and successful.


Eh I guess so.

But using that logic apple shouldn't be considered the maker of some parts of ios and depending on who you talk too Mac os as a whole. Same thing with google buying sparrow last month. Hell google bought android.

Google bought Android? I thought they created it.
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Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
If Microsoft were able to destroy Sony and Nintendo they would do so. The only reason they haven't is because they are unable, but the desire and the intent is there. They want any given market they are in all to themselves.
Every company would want this if they could legally get away with it. This isn't exclusive to Microsoft.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
O RLY.
Quote
he malware can be delivered by hackers via websites that use Flash to delivery the program, thanks to a "zero-day" security hole. The issue affects IE7, IE8, and IE9 on Windows XP, Vista and 7.

The exploit has more to do with flash than the broswer itsself. Which is why the tech industry is heavily pushing for html5.

Here you go.

 http://www.neowin.net/news/ie10-is-8-faster-than-chrome-20-says-strangeloop

As well as Microsoft being the first to put Do Not Track into their broswer to protect the User.

 http://www.neowin.net/news/ie-10-do-not-track-options-for-windows-8-explained
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Post by: Sarail on September 19, 2012, 10:44:35 AM
The only way Micro$oft could make a product that doesn't suck is if they made a vacuum cleaner.
No, they'd put too much RAM in it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 10:49:19 AM
I think Microsoft makes good products, but they had nothing to do with making Skype. They only bought it earlier this year, after Skype was already uber popular and successful.


Eh I guess so.

But using that logic apple shouldn't be considered the maker of some parts of ios and depending on who you talk too Mac os as a whole. Same thing with google buying sparrow last month. Hell google bought android.

Google bought Android? I thought they created it.

 http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2005-08-16/google-buys-android-for-its-mobile-arsenal

This is what android looked like before ios was announced.
(http://random.andrewwarner.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/androidlive.jpg)

Looked like BBOS which was market leader at the time.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 19, 2012, 10:51:37 AM
Yet we have the

Xbox

Red Ring of Death

Windows

Blue Screen of Death

Internet Explorer 10

All products that have gotten rave reviews.

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/uk-microsoft-browser-idUSLNE88I01L20120919 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/uk-microsoft-browser-idUSLNE88I01L20120919)

Red Ring of death? Was fixed several years ago (and even then it only effected like 10% of people). Blue screen of death? Something that u haven't heard about in years (and I have not heard anyone with Windows 7 having it). Internet Explorer 10 has been getting rave reviews, and EVERY browser has had security flaws.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 11:12:52 AM
Internet Explorer 10? It hasn't been released yet. I think you mean IE9.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 11:34:02 AM
Internet Explorer 10 is in beta along with windows 8

 http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Info/Downloads/

Its only usable in Windows 8.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
Microsoft been making major moves to get Windows phone adopted. They also seem to be pushing their eoms for good phone design unlike anroid. Htc announced the 8X and the 8S

 http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/archive/2012/09/19/photos-amp-video-the-windows-phone-8x-and-8s-by-htc.aspx

8X
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5560535/htc8xhandson15_1020_gallery_post.jpg)
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5560665/htc8xhandson_1020_gallery_post.jpg)

8S
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5625419/htc8shero_large_verge_medium_landscape.jpg)
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5560999/htc8shandson11_1020_gallery_post.jpg)

And that's joining

Nokia Lumia 920
 (http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5311351/Xv09-06_16-26-1020_gallery_post.jpg)
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5311293/Xv09-06_16-25-4420_gallery_post.jpg)

Nokia Lumia 820
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5312538/lumia820handson30_1020_gallery_post.jpg)
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5312761/lumia820handson22_1020_gallery_post.jpg)

Samsung Ativ S
(http://windowsteamblog.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Blogs-Components-WeblogFiles/00-00-00-53-71-metablogapi/5100.IMG_5F00_5522_5F00_06A47A66.jpg)

We know Attn, verison, and tmobile are all carrying windows phone devices. Sprint due to the iphine and lye wont be carrying much of anything.
 
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 19, 2012, 01:22:30 PM
They also seem to be pushing their poems for good phone design unlike anroid.
re "pushing their poems": I don't understand what that means. Can you please explain? Thanks.
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Post by: Kairon on September 19, 2012, 01:23:45 PM
Windows Phone is interesting... It's the one place where    MS is so clearly the underdog, I almost want to root for them to do better!
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 01:45:14 PM
They also seem to be pushing their poems for good phone design unlike anroid.
re "pushing their poems": I don't understand what that means. Can you please explain? Thanks.

Edited. Auto correct oem to poem.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 19, 2012, 01:51:29 PM
They also seem to be pushing their poems for good phone design unlike anroid.
re "pushing their poems": I don't understand what that means. Can you please explain? Thanks.

Edited. Auto correct oem to poem.
Hmm, that made me understand it even less, but then Google came to my rescue so I'm good now.
Though somewhat diappointed I won't be getting Windows 8 Phone Haiku (or cinquaine, for that matter)
 :(
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 01:56:47 PM
Windows Phone is interesting... It's the one place where    MS is so clearly the underdog, I almost want to root for them to do better!

Don't be deceived. Feeling sympathy for Micro$oft is like finding a baby snake and taking pity on it and taking it in under your wing. Everything is fine until one day the snake turns on you and injects you with its venom.

And as far as being the underdog goes, what kind of underdog has billions and billions of dollars at its disposal and 90% marketshare in the OS market? They might be the underdog in the mobile phone moment at the moment, but with all their resources behind them they are a serious threat in the long run. They won't always be the underdog, and eventually they might snuff out Blackberry, Apple, and Android just like they did with Netscape and BeOS and others a decade or so ago.

You want to feel sorry for an underdog, feel sorry for Microsoft's past and future victims as it rolls around like a Katamari ball growing larger all the time.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 02:07:27 PM
Microsoft will never overtake Android. Android is open source, meaning any company can tweak it and release it on their own devices (see Amazon and the Kindle Fire, for example). Developers love Android because it's so widely adopted, and manufacturers love it for it's ease of customization.


People say open-source is the future, and with the success of Android, it may just be true.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 19, 2012, 02:08:16 PM
90% of what OS market? Windows Phone has 3.5% of the mobile marketshare. Internet Explorer has about 28% of the desktop marketshare. And Microsoft did nothing that other companies wouldn't do. I don't see any victims. BeOS was never anything more than a niche service and Microsoft didn't have anything to do with their demise (despite their claims). Netscape failed because Internet Explorer offered every feature Netscape did (and sometimes more) while being free (compared to Netscape, which wasn't free until 1998). Consumers decided they didn't want Netscape, by choosing a cheaper product that gave the same features. BlackBerry is almost dead anyways, so MS had nothing to do with it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 02:17:24 PM
TJ, consumers didn't choose IE over Netscape. Microsoft bundled it with Windows 98 and made it an integrated unremovable component of the OS. Whenever anyone bought a new computer with Windows 98 installed (which was practically every computer) IE was already there. This was the unfair advantage that the Clinton administration succesfully prosecuted them for because it was a violation of the Sherman Antitrust act. The court ruled Microsoft guilty, but before the penalty phase could be carried out Bush took office and essentially let them get away with just a slap on the wrist. But the Clinton administration sought to have Microsoft broken up into multiple companies so that the market would be more competitive.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 19, 2012, 02:18:40 PM
IE was already thrashing Netscape long before Windows 98 came out. Windows 98 was just the final blow.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 02:20:20 PM
IE was already thrashing Netscape long before Windows 98 came out.

Citation needed.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 19, 2012, 02:26:53 PM
Windows 8 is Nigh
Hearken to its Siren Call
A New Phone For You
 
/haiku
 
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Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 02:28:06 PM
Summary of this discussion

Chozo: Feel sympathy for Netscape if you love kittens. Feel sympathy for Microsoft if you hate kittens and worship the devil.
Ron Burgundy: Well, that escalated quickly.

:)
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 02:29:45 PM
Doesn't apple do all thestuff with Mac os. Where is all the complaints there.


And manufacturers do not love android.

Amazon has taken aneroid and pretty much skinned it to where it could be called amazon os.
the only manufacturer actually mwkinging money off of android is samsung.
Aneroid apps still look like ****
There are less android tablets apps then there are windows 8 apps and android has been out longer.
Android updates are still untimely as hell and that wont change at all.

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Post by: Ian Sane on September 19, 2012, 03:07:56 PM
Interesting how IE being included with Windows killed Netscape but has not killed Firefox.  It isn't like Microsoft prevents anyone from downloading another browser.  You, the consumer, still have choice.  And if MS didn't include IE you would get a chicken and egg scenario.  How can I get Chrome or Firefox or Opera or whatever without my PC coming with some sort of web browser to go to their site and download them in the first place?  A computer HAS to come with a web browser these days.

I used Netscape until they made some sort of update where the look and feel changed and it ran slow as ****.  This corresponded with a time when IE improved significantly.  Netscape's product got worse and Microsoft's got better so I switched.  That's the free market at work.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 03:13:10 PM
Doesn't apple do all thestuff with Mac os. Where is all the complaints there.


And manufacturers do not love android.

Amazon has taken aneroid and pretty much skinned it to where it could be called amazon os.
the only manufacturer actually mwkinging money off of android is samsung.
Aneroid apps still look like ****
There are less android tablets apps then there are windows 8 apps and android has been out longer.
Android updates are still untimely as hell and that wont change at all.


Yes but the Nexus devices will change that, because they are built to run pure Android.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 19, 2012, 03:15:41 PM
There are less android tablets apps then there are windows 8 apps and android has been out longer.

That's not a fair comparison. You are talking about ALL Windows 8 apps (which also work on PC) vs. just apps designed for Android tablets (though almost all Android apps will work on Android tablets). And since there are no Windows 8 tablets yet, the number of Windows 8 tablets apps is 0. If you do the actual number, there are over 500K Andorid apps vs. 1,600 Windows 8 apps.

To be fair Ian, I think Europe has it set up so that when you buy a Windows PC, a screen pops up asking you which browser you want.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 03:40:35 PM
I was talking only the metro apps for windows 8. Only windows RT apps. But microsoft does have an unfair advantge that windows 8 will be on 100s millions of devices this time next year. Developers would be stupid to ignore iit.

Ignoring laptops I'm still expecting the windows 8 tablets to sellalot this season due to the manytypes of form factors (tablets, hybdrids, convertibles) and then adding in ultrabooks and laptops its going to be. Also expecting this togain windows phone more market share.

By this time next year I expect
Windows 8 to be a distant 2 in the tablet market.
Windows phone to be #3 with a good amount of marketshare.



And yes the nexus phones are awesome. Wonder if that rumor of mutiple nexus devices is going to pan out.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 19, 2012, 03:49:31 PM
You expect Windows Phone to go from 6th place (behind even Symbian) to 3rd place in only a year?

There are only a few hundred metro apps, and none can be considered tablet apps. It's not possible to compare Android tablet apps to Windows 8 since not Windows 8 tablets exist yet. I would not be confident in Windows 8-based tablets selling a lot, especially Microsoft's Surface tablet (which apparently will start at $499)/
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 03:56:10 PM
I'm talking about #3 in OSs that matter.

Meego is dead.
Webos is dead.
Symbain is all but dead(nokia has stopped symbain development)
BB10 is reboot and will have zero marketshare.

So yes. Because symbain make have had better marketshare but its irrelvance almost killed nokia last year. RIM is on verge of death as well and there have been reports that in america and europe there have been months recently where no blackberrydevice been sold.


No one cares if like symbian and rim where most of your marketshare comes from outdated crao that only salees in low end markets.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 04:06:20 PM
How aren't the comparable.They are apps that are made for the metro part of windows 8 which was made for tablets.The fact they also run on regular computers doesn't change that. It may tip the scales a bit, but it isn't like android doesn't run on other devices as well.

Also a quality product is worth the money put in it. Current projects are the low end surfaceto be $299 for 32gb and $499 for 64gb. The high end surface is goin into the $800+ market.

All hands on with windows 8 tablets have been prasing the build quality, somthing that could be said for non nexus 7 android tablets. Enterprise already is having alot of intrest in them.

The hybrid model is going to be enticing for a lot of people. Those and the surface pro will be the best on the mark for student and productivty.


But who knows wouldn't be the first time where a superior product failed to capture the mark place for various reason.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 19, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
If they are beating Window Phone, then they matter. You can't pick who you are competing with (otherwise you have stuff like Sony saying they are #2 or even #1). The facts are that Windows Phone is a distant 6th. Right now WP is insignificant as it only has a 3.5% market share worldwide. Even when you only count the US, Windows Phone is just 3.6% (BlackBerry is 9.6%). So you are trying to slam RIM when as of August 2012, it is still selling three times as many phones as Windows Phone. I know you are high on Microsoft, but I think you need more realistic expectations.

They aren't compariable because you are trying to only count Android apps that are designed specifically for tablets, but you want to count all Windows 8 apps or even metro apps. Regular Android apps run on Android tablets, so the fair comparison is to use them. In that case, Android wins 600K to 1.6K
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 04:36:35 PM
Guess that the plus and cons of having just one OS instead of seperate ones.


Though not sure even android can be cut into phone and tablet apps considereding their really isn't any. Push to show the difference post ice cream sandwhich.

Regardless I think the windows 8 market is going to move pretty quickly. They have recived the same apps as android ina shorter amount of time. It took forever for a tablet optimized version of netlfix for android while windows 8 is going to be launching with one


I think android is going to contuine to clean house inthe 7 inch space though.

There are still a few apps on android I use that don't have windows versions but they have mobile web apps.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 19, 2012, 06:55:50 PM
Windows Phone Awakes
Answering It, Who Is There?
Fate or Doom? Decide!
 
/haiku
 
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 19, 2012, 07:41:56 PM
I would be happy if Windows phone was able to eat into the Android market share...that way having 3 more equal phone operating systems will be better for competition.
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Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 08:18:24 PM
I fiddled around with WebOS way back and I'm extremely sad that HP failed so entirely in capitalizing on such a great operating system. I hoped that if a larger company swooped in to buy Palm, WebOS could make some noise in the mobile space, but HP seriously dropped the ball. In hindsight, it probably would have been better if RIM got their hands on WebOS. Instead, they scooped up QNX who has spent the last 2 and a half years making Blackberry 10 and so desperately want it to be WebOS if the Blackberry Tablet OS is anything to go by. It's probably too late to make a dent in the mobile market, but it should look pretty, since RIM bought an entire company (The Astonishing Tribe) to design the user interface. As for me, I'll probably just stick with iOS.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2012, 09:20:15 PM
Don't remind me of webos. :( I remember being so. Excited when HP picked it upand were going to double down on it.


Rim and QNX has a good chance of even bexoming the thrid platform instead of windows phone. The delay didn't help but the leaks of the software and hardware have been reall good. Hopefully they learned from the mistakes of the playbook (not having calander and email, as well as the SDK not teleasing until six months after launch).

Sad to say but BB10 is rims only hope.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 20, 2012, 02:08:48 AM
What do you mean Microsoft has yet to see the light at the end of tunnel of the TV race.

Who said anything about a TV race?

& MS has yet to even see the light at the other end of the tunnel when it comes to being profitable on the Xbox brand.



Quote
Not only that but the 360 has been a profitable system since 2010 and that's not counting all of the kinects sold as well as the $4.8 billion that xbox live estimates to make per quarter.

MS only recently started making profits on the Xbox, but they are so far in the hole, that they have a long way to go to actually being profitable on their Xbox venture.

see example below
(http://i.imgur.com/raDEm.png)


Quote
And don't use the bullshit excuse that Microsoft is using unfair bussiness pratices about using money from one market to fuel another. If tthat were the case Sony,apple, and google would have been hit as well right? That's how business goes. If the other guy cant compete he is obviously playing out of his league. (Like oyua for example)

Well, I'm almost positive that there was a good reason for MS splitting up their divisions a few years back so that each division has to manage their own profit and losses and can't siphon off of their most profitable division forever. I'm sure there was also a good reason that MS pre-spent $1.1Billion in RRoD repair cost just prior to this restructuring so that it would be absorbed by the new division splits so that there wouldn't be yet another red mark on the Xbox division's "profit" margin.

& Xbox Live seems to be the only thing actually making money for MS in their Xbox Division and that's mostly because people are paying to be advertised to, making MS money twice.

& I also don't remember Sony, Google or Apple  purposely losing billions of dollars to buy it's way into a market with no plan of making any actual profits for the next 5-8 years (thanks to the profits from it's other sector absorbing any and all loses). Sony & Apple have been charging a Premium on everything they sell for decades now, and Google doesn't really "sell" anything.

MS has gotten in trouble on numerous occasion, in numerous markets for "unfair business practices" that you claim are bullshit, so I don't see how it's a stretch to point out how they were dancing the line once again.
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Post by: Kairon on September 20, 2012, 06:02:29 AM
I'm sure there are unfair business practices to debate, but simply being willing to invest big and not see profit for 10 years doesn't strike me as one of them. Also, it doesn't matter that XBox is technically in the red over its lifetime, what matters is whether it makes sense to carry that business into fiscal year 2013, 2014, and onwards regardless of what fiscal year 2005 was.

I think that MS sees XBox the same way Google sees Android. I think Google got into the mobile phone market because they felt they had to become active to protect their search engine business from an iOS/smartphone-driven internet that bypassed their search page. In much the same way, Microsoft probably sees XBox as an early line of defense against Living Room computing that threatens to send PCs, and MS' OS business, the way of the dodo.

Basically, it might not matter if Android and XBox themselves aren't profitable as long as they protect the actual profitable industries that the companies REALLY care about.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 20, 2012, 09:05:08 AM
You dorealize there is no xbox divsion right. Its the entertaiment divsionwhich includes

Xbox
Windows phone
Zune
Kin

The xbox itself has been profitable for a time now. Problem there are other not so profitable products lumped in whichcasues a whole. Not that it really matters to microsoft is the long run.



By TV race I'm talking about the changing langscape of the gaming market. Some people here may not like this but going forward a game console just won't be a game console. This gen will be the last one where you can sell a game console without any non gaming features or an enstentive ecosystem without expecting it to sale. Look at Microsofts E3 confrence, or Nintendos E3 launch event. Games are no longer the main and sole purpose why these boxes are going to be sold.


Of course microsoft sees the xbox as their trojan horse into the living room. This has arubly been the first time microsoft has actully been the fist on the ball. The eariler OG xbox interviews with gates and allard have pretty much alluded to that.


Also there is quite a big diffrence in google/apple/sony in the markets. I would never use sony as an example of anything good currently. The vita won't be estimated to make money until late next year and that's only if it hits its estimated target which it won't. Sony has been selling prenium for years and looks where its gotten them they are not the market leader in any field. The only thing keeping that rotting corpse floating are its imaging and finance division. Sucks to because they make some nice phones and cameras.

Google and Apple haven't entered in a market where the investments have been a crazy amount of money lost. Also they (microsoft) purposly entered the market because like I said above the losses don't really matter much in the long run. They just had one of their most protitable quaters this year.

The thing is they want to lock you into their ecosystem and make you dependent on it. Its the itunes effect for lack of a better term. Its not about making money on hardware (though that would be nice) but making money from the software purchases (xbox music/tv , xbox live, dashboard ads). So far they have been succesful as other than the roku the xbox is probably the most succesful all in one box to date. Its succeded where the apple tv and google tv has failed.

Another big thing that keeps the profit in a whole is the insistance to future proof the console in favor of the 10 year+ console life. While that digs awhole it makes sense seeing as the attach rate for televisons are ususally a new tv every ten years. Makes sense to try and synch your console with consumer buying habits.

I'm wondering if your going to see a new upgrade to the apple TV this year and whatexcatly happened to the nexus Q
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 20, 2012, 04:08:02 PM
You dorealize there is no xbox divsion right. Its the entertaiment divsionwhich includes

Xbox
Windows phone
Zune
Kin

The xbox itself has been profitable for a time now. Problem there are other not so profitable products lumped in whichcasues a whole. Not that it really matters to microsoft is the long run.
Yes i realize there is no Xbox Division, and im sure you know what i meant by that. But my point is that Xbox as a brand wouldn't exist right now if it weren't propped up on Windows profits, and to this day has yet to make any positive income.

I fully understand the bigger picture and MS's intent with keeping the livingroom from being locked up by Sony or even worse.... Apple (who wasn't even a consideration at the time, but obviously a threat now).
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 20, 2012, 04:18:47 PM
Actually, the Xbox brand is profitable now and has been for a couple of years.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 20, 2012, 06:57:31 PM
X-Box Division
It Does Not Exist At All
Where Does Game Come From?
 
/haiku
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 20, 2012, 10:04:50 PM
The funniest thing about everyone being afraid of apple is there isn't any real tangible reasons to. The apple TV has been a "hobby" for years now and is a real underwhelming product for anyone who hasn't gone all into the apple ecosystem. 


Apple has everyone scared on the basis that it could pull out another ipad/ipod success. what people fail to realize is all of those products have been successful out the gate while apple TV is attached to what's arubly the most powerful hardware/software ecosystem to date.


I think a big part of it has to due with other than the Roku a device that only functions using media is as unappealing as something that only plays games. That and apple TV is probably the most un-apple product non counting ios6.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 20, 2012, 10:59:03 PM
Actually, the Xbox brand is profitable now and has been for a couple of years.

care to show me where?

I provided a chart that was relevant into 2011 (FY2010) where thanks in part to Xbox Live, they started to reverse the trend.

pre-post edit:

Here is an article from beginning of 2011:
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-28/tech/30063548_1_xbox-live-money-pit-kinect (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-28/tech/30063548_1_xbox-live-money-pit-kinect)
stating that Xbox now makes $1billion annually, but you fail to realize that they still have to make up for all the losses they've incurred up to that point, which would mean that even with a start of $1B in profit for FY 2010, that would still put project Xbox @ (negative)-$5B.
Quote from: Jan 2011
Other highlights included Kinect and Xbox sales, which helped the Entertainment and Devices business beat $1 billion in annual operating profit for the first time ever -- only two quarters into the fiscal year. Microsoft's Xbox business racked up more than $7 billion in operating losses in the early years, but if it continues to crank at the current rate, the company might finally start earning back its investment in a few years.


So unless they just made > $6Billion in profit for FY 2011, then I would say that Xbox still has yet to make a profit.

and here is another article from a year later that states they are doing about the same
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-19/microsoft-profit-tops-estimates-on-xbox-demand.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-19/microsoft-profit-tops-estimates-on-xbox-demand.html)
which I would estimate at 1+Billion more in profits for 2011, still leaves them in the hole about 5 or so billion, and I'm not even sure that counts the 1.1B that they had set aside for RRoD before the department shuffle (although I think it does).

pre-post edit 2:

Another article stating the "Xbox Division" and their profit/loss
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403294,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403294,00.asp)
Quote from: April 2012
Microsoft's Xbox division reported disappointing results, recording a 16 percent drop in revenue, to $1.62 billion. The unit also reported a $229 million operating loss, versus a $210 million profit a year ago.

So how and where is the Xbox Brand profitable? They may be making money now, but they are not profitable quite yet.


So unless I'm reading all those statements wrong....
Quote
MS has yet to even see the light at the other end of the tunnel when it comes to being profitable on the Xbox brand.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 21, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
On-Screen Soldier Shoots
8 Year Old Boy Screams At Me
I Muse: This Is Gold?
 
/haiku
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Post by: Kairon on September 21, 2012, 12:01:41 PM
The Hutt writes haiku
Oh Relevant, witty poem!
Applaud the author!

/haiku
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 21, 2012, 12:19:37 PM
Bows
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 21, 2012, 12:27:03 PM
The Hutt writes haiku
Oh Relevant, witty poem!
Applaud the author!

/haiku

LOL, technically "poem" is two syllables. So line 2 has 8 syllables.
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Post by: Kairon on September 21, 2012, 12:33:23 PM
The Hutt writes haiku
Oh Relevant, witty poem!
Applaud the author!

/haiku

LOL, technically "poem" is two syllables. So line 2 has 8 syllables.

ARGH KAIRON SMASH I CANT EVEN SPEAK THE ONLY LANGUAGE I KNOW CORRECTLY FRIGGIN' "POME" VS "PO-EM"!!!
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 21, 2012, 06:58:54 PM
It should be the rule for a day that all posts must be in Haiku form
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 21, 2012, 10:09:18 PM
http://beefjack.com/news/ms-xbox-is-becoming-the-microsoft-brand-for-entertainment/

 MS: “Xbox is becoming THE Microsoft brand for entertainment”


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News: From now on, all Microsoft entertainment and gaming experiences will carry the Xbox branding even on Windows, says senior director Leonardo Metelli, who has also been talking about how entertainment rather than gaming is now the major growth area on Xbox Live, and how Kinect will drive whole new types of advertising on their home console – including the slightly creepy “Two-Way TV”.

Leonardo Metelli, Microsoft‘s senior director of Xbox Live Entertainment and Advertising, has been talking at the ad:tech conference in London about how the Xbox brand has grown beyond just the home console bearing its name, and how the company intend to leverage the massively growing market for consuming entertainment on Xbox Live and their Kinect peripheral to create new styles of advertising experience.

Metelli set out the new non-hardware focus for the Xbox name by stating: “Xbox is becoming THE Microsoft brand for entertainment”, and highlighted just why entertainment is now as important to Xbox Live as gaming.

In 2012 “there are more hours being spent on entertainment than gaming,” Metelli said, and, while gaming figures have not dropped, usage of entertainment apps has doubled on Xbox Live year on year. There has also been a 30% increase in overall Xbox Live use year on year as well.

Metelli also revealed that Microsoft are keen to promote new advertising opportunities that make use of the distinctive features of Xbox Live and the Kinect sensor peripheral. “Branded Destination Experiences” – Kinect-enabled “microsite” advertisements on Xbox Live – are one, while Nuads, featuring gesture, voice and controller ad interactivity, will allow brands to get real-time feedback from viewers.

Perhaps the most potent – and mildly Orwellian – use for Kinect will be something Microsoft are calling “Two-Way TV”, television programming that reflects the viewer’s input, taking into account what the user is expressing and whether they are actively engaged to alter the way a programme plays out. Sesame Street and National Geographic TV are already signed up to Two-Way TV, which launches on Xbox Live this week.


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Post by: ShyGuy on September 21, 2012, 10:51:19 PM
Isn't the Zune deader than a strip club on Sunday morning?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 22, 2012, 03:59:05 AM
http://beefjack.com/news/ms-xbox-is-becoming-the-microsoft-brand-for-entertainment/ (http://beefjack.com/news/ms-xbox-is-becoming-the-microsoft-brand-for-entertainment/)

 MS: “Xbox is becoming THE Microsoft brand for entertainment”


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News: From now on, all Microsoft entertainment and gaming experiences will carry the Xbox branding even on Windows, says senior director Leonardo Metelli, who has also been talking about how entertainment rather than gaming is now the major growth area on Xbox Live, and how Kinect will drive whole new types of advertising on their home console – including the slightly creepy “Two-Way TV”.

Leonardo Metelli, Microsoft‘s senior director of Xbox Live Entertainment and Advertising, has been talking at the ad:tech conference in London about how the Xbox brand has grown beyond just the home console bearing its name, and how the company intend to leverage the massively growing market for consuming entertainment on Xbox Live and their Kinect peripheral to create new styles of advertising experience.

Metelli set out the new non-hardware focus for the Xbox name by stating: “Xbox is becoming THE Microsoft brand for entertainment”, and highlighted just why entertainment is now as important to Xbox Live as gaming.

In 2012 “there are more hours being spent on entertainment than gaming,” Metelli said, and, while gaming figures have not dropped, usage of entertainment apps has doubled on Xbox Live year on year. There has also been a 30% increase in overall Xbox Live use year on year as well.

Metelli also revealed that Microsoft are keen to promote new advertising opportunities that make use of the distinctive features of Xbox Live and the Kinect sensor peripheral. “Branded Destination Experiences” – Kinect-enabled “microsite” advertisements on Xbox Live – are one, while Nuads, featuring gesture, voice and controller ad interactivity, will allow brands to get real-time feedback from viewers.

Perhaps the most potent – and mildly Orwellian – use for Kinect will be something Microsoft are calling “Two-Way TV”, television programming that reflects the viewer’s input, taking into account what the user is expressing and whether they are actively engaged to alter the way a programme plays out. Sesame Street and National Geographic TV are already signed up to Two-Way TV, which launches on Xbox Live this week.


Uh, gaming is a form of entertainment. The two terms can be interchangeable. Why is Microsoft trying to separate them?
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 22, 2012, 08:25:23 AM
They have always seperated gaming and other forms of entertainment. Its not just Microsoft. When you hear entertainment industry its usually receding too music/movies/Tv.while gaming is in its own gaming industry ghetto even though it makes as much money as the others.

But its nothing new
(http://www.winsupersite.com/content/content/144156/music-default.jpg)
(http://blog.gadgethelpline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Xbox-Video-E3-550x307.jpg)
(http://wpsauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/538371_10150904349763772_430315079_n_thumb1.jpg)

Though reading the gaf thread I'm surprised how much people seem to hate the idea. (Ignoring the fact that gqf has some weird hats for Microsoft, and the mode allow active trolling in the nintendo/Microsoft threads and not Sony)
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 22, 2012, 12:35:11 PM
They have always seperated gaming and other forms of entertainment. Its not just Microsoft. When you hear entertainment industry its usually receding too music/movies/Tv.while gaming is in its own gaming industry ghetto even though it makes as much money as the others.

But its nothing new
(http://www.winsupersite.com/content/content/144156/music-default.jpg)




So Xbox Music is their replacement of Zune? Is Microsoft going to turn it into an iTunes-like service and let you buy songs from a catalog? Or is it going to be more like Spotify, where you pay a subscription to stream music?
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 22, 2012, 02:24:03 PM
Zune has already been like that. So far we know its going to have.

-free subscrption tier
-Zune pass like subscrption (will probably be intergarted in a new xbox live teir)
-scan and match locker system

Probably going toget more info about it next month.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 22, 2012, 02:34:13 PM
Zune has already been like that. So far we know its going to have.

-free subscrption tier
-Zune pass like subscrption (will probably be intergarted in a new xbox live teir)
-scan and match locker system

Probably going toget more info about it next month.

I mean what is it like? Is it like iTunes, where you buy music from a catalogue? Or is it a streaming service like Spotify?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 22, 2012, 02:50:16 PM
"Xbox Music Store" seems to imply you will buy music, not just stream.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 22, 2012, 02:59:33 PM
I said like zune.

You can buy music the regular way but they also have a subscrption service where you can lisen to whatever you want.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 23, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
So someone leakedshots of the windows phone 8 Sdi and this is the xbox related stuff.
(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5998/screenshot20120922008.png)
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8735/screenshot20120922010.png)
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1268/screenshot20120922011.png)
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3831/screenshot20120922012.png)
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/256/screenshot20120922013.png)
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7319/screenshot20120922014.png)
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2687/screenshot20120922015.png)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/715/screenshot20120922016.png)
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6171/screenshot20120922026.png)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/2438/screenshot20120922028.png)
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6114/screenshot20120922064.png)
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4563/screenshot20120922104.png)

Confrims alot of the music stuff. Giving you three ways to get music. Also one thing I like that I'm surprised. Hasn't been done but I'm liking is that the synching software is independent and is its own app and with the charms features its arubly at os level.

(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5278222/wp8win8app_640_large_verge_medium_landscape.jpg)


Surprised apple hasn't done this first with them seperating ios's reliance on itunes and more on icloud. But the new itunes player is looking good.

(http://images.apple.com/itunes/new-itunes/images/redesigned_player_libraryviews.jpg)
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Post by: Sarail on September 23, 2012, 05:33:37 PM
Interesting. I wonder when the new iTunes is scheduled to be released? Looking forward to that.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 23, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Interesting. I wonder when the new iTunes is scheduled to be released? Looking forward to that.


Its slated for sometime next month. I'm not even in the ios ecosystem any more and I'm going to update to the new version and use it from time to time. Looks so good. (that and I still have to use itunes to buy game soundtracks from time to time)


but yeah its impressive
(http://[size=78%][url=http://images.apple.com/itunes/new-itunes/images/redesigned_store_design.jpg]http://images.apple.com/itunes/new-itunes/images/redesigned_store_design.jpg[/url][/size])
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 24, 2012, 04:07:36 PM
I tell you one thing.  Itunes is the one major problem I've had with having an iPhone.  Hopefully the new version will be better, but I've been saying that about the last 3 iterations of the program.  It just is never properly coded for PCs.

Of course, I'm also not a fan of the WMP either.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 24, 2012, 04:40:42 PM
You don't need iTunes for iPhones anymore, they've gotten it to the point that you never really have to sync it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 24, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
Yeah but sometimes your in a situation where you need to sync through itunes.

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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 24, 2012, 05:32:57 PM
iTunes works perfect for me about 95% of the time, and syncing is not a problem.
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Post by: Ceric on September 24, 2012, 05:49:54 PM
If Memory serves in OSX you still need iTunes to Sync an iDevice.  Windows you need Zune for Winphone.  I'm hoping next iterations they both just work with the OS.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 24, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
your

you're
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 24, 2012, 06:23:23 PM
If Memory serves in OSX you still need iTunes to Sync an iDevice.  Windows you need Zune for Winphone.  I'm hoping next iterations they both just work with the OS.

Apple's gotten it to the point where you never have to connect your iPhone to a computer if you don't want to. You can do everything over iCloud.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 24, 2012, 08:03:31 PM
You don't need iTunes for iPhones anymore, they've gotten it to the point that you never really have to sync it.
Hence why I only sync directly with the PC and itunes when a major upgrade happens (like moving to iOS 6 or getting the next iteration of the iphone).

I still think it's not very user friendly.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 24, 2012, 08:05:29 PM
I think iTunes is very user friendly, a really nice layout and easy to find stuff. My only gripe is the same one I have with iPod Touch (the only other Apple product) in that it doesn't come with an instruction manual (digital for thi).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 24, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
I think iTunes is very user friendly, a really nice layout and easy to find stuff. My only gripe is the same one I have with iPod Touch (the only other Apple product) in that it doesn't come with an instruction manual (digital for thi).

iOS devices are built to have a simplistic and intuitive interface. If you need an instruction manual, just download it on iBooks.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 24, 2012, 09:10:44 PM
I have no problem using the devices, but there have been features that I never even knew existed until month later (when I would see an article online talking about features people may not know about). Apple is already making well over $100 in profit on a iPod Touch, would it have killed them to spend $2 and include a manual (yes I know it will be useless within a year)?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 25, 2012, 02:35:36 PM
I have no problem using the devices, but there have been features that I never even knew existed until month later (when I would see an article online talking about features people may not know about). Apple is already making well over $100 in profit on a iPod Touch, would it have killed them to spend $2 and include a manual (yes I know it will be useless within a year)?

Or they could include a digital manual that's built into the OS.

I just remembered, they do have a Safari bookmark for the iOS online manual.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 27, 2012, 11:32:40 AM
http://mobile.theverge.com/gaming/2012/9/27/3416872/minecraft-creator-notch-microsoft-windows-8

So notch for some reason isn't a fan of the Windows 8 store. Apparently microsoft went to him about a windows 8 version of minecraft. He didn't say if it was going to be a windows store metro game or just a listing of desktop version.

He said

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Microsoft asked Mojang for a hand in certifying Minecraft for Windows 8, but Notch isn't interested. Instead, he said on Twitter, "I told them to stop trying to ruin the PC as an open platform."

And then followed up with this tweet
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I'd rather have minecraft not run on win 8 at all than to play along. Maybe we can convince a few people not to switch to win 8 that way

Have to say I lost a ton of respect I had for notch onthe basis that he's using a strawman argument.
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Post by: Ceric on September 27, 2012, 12:59:48 PM
http://mobile.theverge.com/gaming/2012/9/27/3416872/minecraft-creator-notch-microsoft-windows-8

So notch for some reason isn't a fan of the Windows 8 store. Apparently microsoft went to him about a windows 8 version of minecraft. He didn't say if it was going to be a windows store metro game or just a listing of desktop version.

He said

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Microsoft asked Mojang for a hand in certifying Minecraft for Windows 8, but Notch isn't interested. Instead, he said on Twitter, "I told them to stop trying to ruin the PC as an open platform."

And then followed up with this tweet
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I'd rather have minecraft not run on win 8 at all than to play along. Maybe we can convince a few people not to switch to win 8 that way

Have to say I lost a ton of respect I had for notch onthe basis that he's using a strawman argument.
Haters gonna hate.

Seriously enough, the only way Microsoft is really going to stabilize windows is to get 3rd Parties Certified.  I used the beta of Windows 8 for a while.  Its just as good as Windows 7.  Takes a little bit to get use to the new Start Menu but, that's about it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 27, 2012, 03:33:01 PM
So Giantbomb and Gameinformer have videos played around with the Kinect Sesame Street and Nat Geo TV. Looks pretty cool for kids and is pretty innovative. Played around with the applications for both and its nice though I didn't buy any thing.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PQuIF8XHT0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PQuIF8XHT0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rff8bE-Ro6g&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgd7Z1YROQ8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 27, 2012, 09:00:28 PM
http://mobile.theverge.com/gaming/2012/9/27/3416872/minecraft-creator-notch-microsoft-windows-8

So Notch for some reason isn't a fan of the Windows 8 Store. Apparently Microsoft went to him about a Windows 8 version of Minecraft. He didn't say if it was going to be a Windows Store "Metro" game or just a listing of desktop version.

He said
Quote
Microsoft asked Mojang for a hand in certifying Minecraft for Windows 8, but Notch isn't interested. Instead, he said on Twitter, "I told them to stop trying to ruin the PC as an open platform."

And then followed up with this tweet
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I'd rather have minecraft not run on win 8 at all than to play along. Maybe we can convince a few people not to switch to win 8 that way

Have to say I lost a ton of respect I had for Notch on the basis that he's using a strawman argument.

What a hypocrite. He wants to support open platforms, yet he's ported Minecraft to Xbox Live and iOS, both of which are the complete opposite of "open".
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 27, 2012, 09:11:25 PM
It's not hypocritical to think that PCs should be open but it's okay for mobile devices and game consoles not to be. They're for different things.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 27, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
Actually, it is. He claims to support open platforms but opposes them when he wants. Besides, making Minecraft optimized for the Windows 8 Store will not stop people from being able to play the current PC version, so he has nothing to complain about. I hope he never plans to make games for Steam, Mac Store, or Origin, since those are effectively the same thing
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 27, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
It's not hypocritical to think that PCs should be open but it's okay for mobile devices and game consoles not to be. They're for different things.

Well he could have just stuck with Android and not made Minecraft for iOS at all. And there's no point in porting it to Windows 8, since W8 is backwards compatible with Windows 7 software.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 27, 2012, 09:20:10 PM
Actually, it is. He claims to support open platforms but opposes them when he wants. Besides, making Minecraft optimized for the Windows 8 Store will not stop people from being able to play the current PC version, so he has nothing to complain about. I hope he never plans to make games for Steam, Mac Store, or Origin, since those are effectively the same thing

They're different situations. Mobile phones, and especially game consoles, are specialized devices, whereas home computers are supposed to be a lot more versatile and flexible. And I doubt he'll be supporting any of those services, and has actually had conflicts with Steam about their policies.
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Post by: Ceric on September 28, 2012, 09:09:15 AM
Frankly, Microsoft wants to start certifying more popular software for Windows.  They have wanted this for a very long time.  Microsoft knows that Windows being a open system is essential to its survival.  Though what do people ding Microsoft for the most?  Reliability and like.  Most of that is caused in more recent times by bad 3rd party software and drivers.  Its in Microsoft best interest to certify the items they sell directly.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 28, 2012, 11:05:47 AM
So read through a similar thread about the notch comments on few other forums. I have to. Say

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about the open system that so many people seem to care about. Or is it juust a hardcore user thing. I mean I plan to upgrade to windows 8 next month and everything I do can be done in the metro enivorment with the expection of say lightroom or office. Even then you have to bet microsoft is working on getting those working in the metro enviorment. (Office already runs on arm, and the newest version of onenote is an metro app)

Take a few of my family members. I showed my mom some windows 8 stuff and she liked it. She likes the new metro start screen better than the old one because its easier for her to navigate as well as the live tiles give her info she likes. And she likes the fact that the windows store is a place where she can know to get software and its just a click to install and has auto updates.

Or take my cousin who's deeply entreched in the apple ecosystem. (She has an imac, macbook air, iphone, ipad and uses icloud) she buys all her software from the mac app store and didn't even notice that gate keeper was on until I told her.

I can understand the complaints vavle or blizzard have about the windows store. But notch is dev who also has his games on other closed systems. I don't get it even if microsoft were seeing about getting minecraft for the metro enviorment so it could work on RT devices as well, it would most likely be a port of the xbox version meaning notch wouldn't have to do anything and still get money and based on the api's that same could would probably be used for a windows phone version as well.

Guess I'm not hardcore enough. I was planning on to start developing a comic related application late this year and I didn't even think about hosting on a website for download. I just though what platforms should I target (Metro , Android, Blackberry 10).
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Post by: Kairon on September 28, 2012, 12:49:00 PM
Are there are truly viable open systems aside from Windows? That's what I'd be concerned about. I have nothing against closed systems, but I don't want to see a frontier of possibility, accessibility, and well, free openness go extinct.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 28, 2012, 12:51:10 PM
Contrary to what you may have heard, Mac OS X is an open platform.
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Post by: Kairon on September 28, 2012, 01:20:18 PM
Contrary to what you may have heard, Mac OS X is an open platform.

I know, but how much marketshare does Mac OS X have nowadays? I wanna say someone told me 20%, but I'm not sure about that.

Basically, I believe that ecologically speaking, there must always be some/enough desert, sort of like Dune, a frontier from which the unexpected (or sandworms, or spice, or fremen) can emerge because of its essential wildness.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 28, 2012, 01:22:25 PM
Are there are truly viable open systems aside from Windows?

WTF? Windows is about as unopen as it comes. Same with Mac OSX. Android and Linux and FreeBSD and so on are the only open systems I'm aware of.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 01:24:24 PM
OS X marketshare is closer to 10%, it's not a big factor in gaming.
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Post by: Kairon on September 28, 2012, 01:30:48 PM
Are there are truly viable open systems aside from Windows?

WTF? Windows is about as unopen as it comes. Same with Mac OSX. Android and Linux and FreeBSD and so on are the only open systems I'm aware of.

Well, I meant "open" only insofar as there could be commercial indie development with little or no oversight, certification, or gate keepers.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 28, 2012, 02:10:20 PM
By that definition, OS X is open. And TJ Spyke's right, its current market share is about 10%, but its gaming presence is growing quite a bit. In fact, a large percentage of the indie type games you're talking about are available on OS X, it's more the big commercial titles that are lacking, although that's beginning to change as well.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 28, 2012, 03:18:54 PM
Isn't it possible to use Wine or whatever to be able to play Windoze games on Mac? You can do that on Linux. Why pay for Windows when you can get Linux plus wine for free and it does the same thing?

Native gaming on Linux is almost non-existent, but thanks to Wine it is possible to play anything on Linux that can be played on Windoze. I would assume this probably goes for Mac as well.
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Post by: Ceric on September 28, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
Linux and OSX are kissing cousins of each other.  Wine will work on Mac but it would not allow for use of graphics subsystem that are OSX or Windows specific.  Not to mention sometimes need to design around both OSes idiosyncrasies.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 28, 2012, 03:35:03 PM
Hmm I never saw Mac OS as having a small software base despite having a small marketshare. Probably due to the smaller indie devs and apples own software. I find mac OS has better alternatives compared too windows. Like instead of phtotshop grab and lightroom you could grab iphoto, apenture or pixel mator.

The only photoshop alternative I can think of on windows is gimp or pain.net. I couldn't even name a light room alternative on windows.
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Post by: Ceric on September 28, 2012, 03:48:02 PM
Pure Capitalism crowded out a lot of spots in Windows.  Much like its hard to compete with EA Sports on consoles.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 28, 2012, 05:36:53 PM
I agree with Kairon.  Anybody can make commercial software for Windows.  That's part of the appeal.  To change that would effectively change the whole nature of PCs and people like PCs for a reason.  If you want a closed system, fine, but MS shouldn't change the nature of a product that a large market of people already like.  If I want a Smartphone setup, I'll buy a Smartphone.

It's like if Nintendo decided to start making casual games... oh wait. ;)
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 05:40:36 PM
I agree with Kairon.  Anybody can make commercial software for Windows.  That's part of the appeal.  To change that would effectively change the whole nature of PCs and people like PCs for a reason.  If you want a closed system, fine, but MS shouldn't change the nature of a product that a large market of people already like.  If I want a Smartphone setup, I'll buy a Smartphone.

It's like if Nintendo decided to start making casual games... oh wait. ;)


Casual games have existed long before the terminology came about. The old arcade and puzzle games like Tetris, Pac-Man, Bomberman, Donkey Kong (arcade), Mario Bros. (arcade), Punch Out, Asteroids, Centipede, Missile Command, Joust, Tecmo Bowl, etc. would be considered "casual games" in today's world. In fact, a large majority of games made in the 1970's and 1980's were "casual games".

Nintendo has been making "casual games" for decades, since before the NES/Famicom era. Also, Nintendo didn't create anything "new" when they made Wii Sports, they simply brought gaming back to its humble roots.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 28, 2012, 06:27:06 PM
Twas a joke my friend.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 06:43:09 PM
Twas a joke my friend.


Oh I know, I was just setting him straight so he wouldn't have any reason to dispute my opinion.
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Post by: Kairon on September 28, 2012, 06:45:10 PM
I never thought I'd say this but...

We're here to talk about Microsoft, not Nintendo.

@_@

And I wasn't exactly saying that I didn't think it was in MS' best interest to do something or not... I was just saying that speaking from a bird's eye view, I believe the "wilderness" of open ecosystems without gatekeepers is an important part of videogames and perhaps even the tech industry as a whole. If MS stops that by putting fences around the free-range of Windows, then I think that we'd lose a lot of vitally productive "wilderness."

I'm... not making any sense here am I? THERE MUST ALWAYS BE SOME DESERT! DO NOT LET SHAI'HULUD GO EXTINCT!
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Post by: oohhboy on September 28, 2012, 06:58:09 PM
I agree with Kairon.  Anybody can make commercial software for Windows.  That's part of the appeal.  To change that would effectively change the whole nature of PCs and people like PCs for a reason.  If you want a closed system, fine, but MS shouldn't change the nature of a product that a large market of people already like.  If I want a Smartphone setup, I'll buy a Smartphone.

It's like if Nintendo decided to start making casual games... oh wait. ;)


Casual games have existed long before the terminology came about. The old arcade and puzzle games like Tetris, Pac-Man, Bomberman, Donkey Kong (arcade), Mario Bros. (arcade), Punch Out, Asteroids, Centipede, Missile Command, Joust, Tecmo Bowl, etc. would be considered "casual games" in today's world. In fact, a large majority of games made in the 1970's and 1980's were "casual games".

Nintendo has been making "casual games" for decades, since before the NES/Famicom era. Also, Nintendo didn't create anything "new" when they made Wii Sports, they simply brought gaming back to its humble roots.
So you are moving the goal posts. I would go on, but someone would get hurt. Consider your opinion disputed.

WINE is ok for noncommercial uses, but I would never buy a game that is ported using WINE or Cider. WINE is better than Cider, but both are really poor ways to run a game. It's a step up from running them in VMs where system resources are a lot more limited, but the glitchiness, compatibility issues, updates breaking a game, crashes, the performance hit is just not up to the task if you are going to ask people to pay money for something.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 28, 2012, 07:10:52 PM
That really depends on the game. There are games that I've run in Wine that work fine with no issue, and games that I can't get to work no matter what I do. I'd buy a Wine/Cider port if reports are that it's done right; usually for those commercial releases they tweak it really well and get the best performance possible aside from booting into Windows, which I really don't want to do.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 28, 2012, 07:55:08 PM
So Microsoft are livestreaming the presidential and Vice-presidential debates on xbox live. They also livesyreamed all of the DNC and RNC events that happened this month.

 http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/elections-2012/home

Also xbox rewards are having a deal that if you watch 3 of the 4 debates you get a free halo 4 avatar award.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 07:59:05 PM
I plan to watch the debates, but on TV. Meh, maybe I will have my Xbox 360 on anyways. I couldn't care less about Halo 4, but I love free swag.


Speaking of Xbox 360 rewards, Microsoft started a program to reward people based on their Gamerscore. If you have a Gamerscore of 3,000-9,999, you are a "Contender" and will get a special gift in your birthday month (though they don't say what it is). If your Gamerscore is 10,000-24,999 you are a "Champion" and get both the special gift and a 1% rebate on every Xbox Live Marketplace purchase (i.e. you buy a 1200 point game and you will get 12 points back). If your Gamerscore is 25,000 or higher you are a "Legend" and will get the special gift and a 2% rebate on Xbox Live Marketplace purchases.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 28, 2012, 08:38:45 PM
Are the debates going to be aired on loco television. I planes to view the. On my xbox as last election they were only on Cnn and cspan iirc.

I'm at the champion status in the rewards twirl. I wonder how the rebate works. I planned to buy a season pass of a few shows but would that count for one purchase or every episode.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 08:54:32 PM
I plan to watch the debates, but on TV. Meh, maybe I will have my Xbox 360 on anyways. I couldn't care less about Halo 4, but I love free swag.


Speaking of Xbox 360 rewards, Microsoft started a program to reward people based on their Gamerscore. If you have a Gamerscore of 3,000-9,999, you are a "Contender" and will get a special gift in your birthday month (though they don't say what it is). If your Gamerscore is 10,000-24,999 you are a "Champion" and get both the special gift and a 1% rebate on every Xbox Live Marketplace purchase (i.e. you buy a 1200 point game and you will get 12 points back). If your Gamerscore is 25,000 or higher you are a "Legend" and will get the special gift and a 2% rebate on Xbox Live Marketplace purchases.


Compared to PS Plus, that's a terrible deal. I'd rather have free online play and the perks of PS Plus (free game downloads, beta invites, automatic updates, etc.).
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 08:59:24 PM
You must be talking about the primary debates. The 3 Obama-Romney debates (and the 1 Biden-Ryan debate) will be aired live on C-SPAN, ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC, as well as all cable news channels including CNN, Fox News Channel and MSNBC among others.

shingi, I would assume it counts towards when you actually make the purchase. Since you are making one purchase (like when you buy season tickets for a sports team, you make one purchase), you get the rebate for that.


tendo, it's a free reward (PS Plus requires a membership, and you lose those rewards when you end the subscription).
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 28, 2012, 09:08:48 PM
THIS THREAD IS GETTING DANGEROUSLY POLITICAL!
And on Fox News they will only be showing Mitt Romney's answers and edit the moderators so it sounds like they are saying "President...Romney."
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 28, 2012, 09:22:53 PM
You cant compare xboxnlive to pen+. Also its pretty likely Sony is going to charge for online play next gen.

That and free Espn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Free Games imo.

PSn will always be inferior this generation because.

1) Sony doesn't run the game servers like Microsoft does. When say a game like Shawn white snowboarding closes ot servers on PS3 the game will still be able to be played online on the 360.

Also xbox live will be getting the whole season of some syfy show days before anyone else. Xbox its for the gamers.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 10:05:55 PM

You cant compare xboxnlive to pen+. Also its pretty likely Sony is going to charge for online play next gen.

That and free Espn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Free Games imo.

PSn will always be inferior this generation because.

1) Sony doesn't run the game servers like Microsoft does. When say a game like Shawn white snowboarding closes ot servers on PS3 the game will still be able to be played online on the 360.

Also xbox live will be getting the whole season of some syfy show days before anyone else. Xbox its for the gamers.

I. don't. care. about the multimedia functions. I just want Microsoft to make more games damnit!

Sony pumps out new 1st-party games every month, so why can't Microsoft be that dedicated with their own games? Microsoft should buy more studios and fund more exclusive games.

All Microsoft has right now is Halo, Gears of War, Forza, and a few indie teams making XBLA and Kinect games. It's actually quite pathetic compared to Sony's 1st-party output.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 28, 2012, 10:53:57 PM
Studios Microsoft owns
US
343 Industries
Connected Experiences
Good Science Studios
Kids's and Lifestyle Entertaiment
Microsoft Studios Redmond Publishing
Microsoft Studios Mobile Gaming
Platform Next Studios
Playful Learning
Skybox Studios
Turn 10 Studios
Twisted Pixel
Xbox Live Productions

Europe
Lionhead
Microsoft Studios London
Rare LTD.
Soho Productions
Press Play

Canada
Microsoft Studios Vancouver
Microsoft Studios Victioria
BigPark


Microsoft published games released this year
 Halo 4
Forza Horizon
 Fable: The Journey
 Dance Central 3
 Kinect Sports: Ultimate Collection
 Kinect Sesame Street TV
 Kinect Nat Geo TV
 Nike+ Kinect Training
 Kinect Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure
 Kinect Star Wars
 Charlie Murder
Super Time Force
Dragon's Lair
Alan Wake's American Nightmare
South Park: Tenorman's Revenge
Fable Heroes
Deadlight
Sine Mora
Dungeon Fighter Live
Bloodforge
 Fez
The Splatters
Joe Danger: The Movie
Haunt
Happy Action Theater
Spelunky
Skulls of the Shogun
Trials Evolution
 BattleBlock
Theater Fire Pro Wrestling
Dust: An Elysian Tail
 Diabolical Pitch
Crimson Dragon
Homerun Stars
Minecraft
Mark of the Ninja
Wreckateer
Joy Ride Turbo
Avatar Motocross Madness
Happy Wars

Not including windows phone and windows 8 games either.

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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
Studios Microsoft owns
US
343 Industries (Halo series)
Connected Experiences
Good Science Studios (Kinect Fun Labs)
Kids's and Lifestyle Entertaiment
Microsoft Studios Redmond Publishing
Microsoft Studios Mobile Gaming
Platform Next Studios
Playful Learning
Skybox Studios
Turn 10 Studios (Forza)
Twisted Pixel ('Splosion Man, The Gunstringer)
Xbox Live Productions


I haven't even heard of most of those studios (the ones I have heard of are in bold). I'm guessing most of those companies make small XBLA and Kinect games, not the big-budget games that Sony's studios make.


How do you know about all those smaller studios? They aren't listed on Microsoft Game Studios website.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
Microsoft is just distributing Dance Central 3, Harmonix is publishing it themselves. Ska Studios is publishing Charlie Murder. Super T.I.M.E. Force is being published by Capybara Games (and it's a 2013 release anyways). Spelunky was published by Mossmouth. BattleBlock Theater is from The Beheamoth and has no release date yet. I can't even find any information on Fire Pro Wrestling for Xbox 360 other than it is developed by Spike and uses Avartars (can't find a publisher or if it even has a real release date or title).

Connected Experiences, Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment, Microsoft Studios – Redmond Publishing,  Platform Next Studios, Playful Learning, Skybox Sports, Microsoft Studios – London, Press Play, Microsoft Studios Vancouver, and Microsoft Studios Victoria have not made any games and they are only working on "untitled projects".


tendo, not surprised. Of the ones you said you haven't heard of, only 2 have made games that are out or even announced.  Microsoft Studios - Mobile Gaming made ilomilo (for Windows Phone 7, Xbox Live Arcade, and Windows 8 ). Xbox Live Productions published the Xbox Live Arcade games South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play and South Park: Tenorman's Revenge and made Avatar Kinect.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 28, 2012, 11:29:45 PM
There shouldn't be any debates unless they invite the 3rd party candidates as well.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 28, 2012, 11:31:12 PM
Fire pro wrestling came out wensday. How does those studios being untitled discount their exstience when most are fairly new and probably working onnext gen projects.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 11:35:05 PM
Microsoft is just distributing Dance Central 3, Harmonix is publishing it themselves. Ska Studios is publishing Charlie Murder. Super T.I.M.E. Force is being published by Capybara Games (and it's a 2013 release anyways). Spelunky was published by Mossmouth. BattleBlock Theater is from The Beheamoth and has no release date yet. I can't even find any information on Fire Pro Wrestling for Xbox 360 other than it is developed by Spike and uses Avartars (can't find a publisher or if it even has a real release date or title).

Connected Experiences, Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment, Microsoft Studios – Redmond Publishing,  Platform Next Studios, Playful Learning, Skybox Sports, Microsoft Studios – London, Press Play, Microsoft Studios Vancouver, and Microsoft Studios Victoria have not made any games and they are only working on "untitled projects".


tendo, not surprised. Of the ones you said you haven't heard of, only 2 have made games that are out or even announced.  Microsoft Studios - Mobile Gaming made ilomilo (for Windows Phone 7, Xbox Live Arcade, and Windows 8 ). Xbox Live Productions published the Xbox Live Arcade games South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play and South Park: Tenorman's Revenge and made Avatar Kinect.


Again, how did you find out which studios Microsoft owns? They aren't listed anywhere on the Microsoft or Xbox websites.


It's the same situation with Nintendo's 1st-party studios. They aren't listed anywhere on Nintendo's corporate site. So how do people find this stuff out?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 11:36:23 PM
There shouldn't be any debates unless they invite the 3rd party candidates as well.

All candidates are invited if they meet these criteria:
1)They have to be on enough state ballots to be able to win the election (i.e. 270 electoral votes)
2)They have to get at least 15% in 5 national polls

Barack Obama (Democratic Party), Mitt Romney (Republican Party), Gary Johnson (Libertarian Party), and Jill Stein (Green Party) meet the first criteria. Only Obama and Romney meet the second. Anybody can join the debates if they meet those 2. It makes no sense to have people participate if they have no chance at winning.

To stay on topic, they are here tendo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios_(game_studio)#Software_development_studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios_(game_studio)#Software_development_studios)


shingi, where is info on the FPW game? Because I found zero info online. As for those other studios, they should hardly be counted as this moment when they have no games made and whatever game they are working on has no name of info.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 11:39:49 PM
To stay on topic, they are here tendo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios_(game_studio)#Software_development_studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios_(game_studio)#Software_development_studios)


Anywhere but Wikipedia. I need an official list from Microsoft's (and Nintendo's) own sites. If the general public can't find official sources, then how do the contributors at Wikipedia know this stuff?
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 29, 2012, 12:14:57 AM
Here you go
 http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Fire-Pro-Wrestling/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410a82

Its pretty fun from the trail I played.

Also. If you go into microsofts job sites you can find most of the studios coupled with various press releases.

For example the london studio was just opened two weeks ago and is focused on windows 8 games and is helmed by former rare staff. Skybox studios was only mentioned in a internal document and in the microsoft carrers website.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 29, 2012, 12:29:55 AM
Here you go
 http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Fire-Pro-Wrestling/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410a82 (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Fire-Pro-Wrestling/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410a82)

Its pretty fun from the trail I played.

Also. If you go into microsofts job sites you can find most of the studios coupled with various press releases.

For example the london studio was just opened two weeks ago and is focused on windows 8 games and is helmed by former rare staff. Skybox studios was only mentioned in a internal document and in the microsoft carrers website.


Former Rare staff? The people that left Rare after Microsoft bought them? Or the Rare that worked on Kinect games?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2012, 12:36:38 AM
Former Rare staff? The people that left Rare after Microsoft bought them? Or the Rare that worked on Kinect games?

Well, the studio is being headed by Lee Schuneman. He worked with Rare from 1996 (starting with Donkey Kong Land 2) to 2010 (ending with Kinect Sports).
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 29, 2012, 11:29:29 AM
Say an intresting post on another forum theroizing what the next xbox would be like based on what microsoft is doing in other areas and the leaked document.

What do you think of this type of future for consoles. I remember the document being even more cusomizable. They gave the example of playing gears of war while having an espn sports ticker on the bottom of the screen.

Ill look to see if the doc is still up to post it.



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Mobile-style sleep modes are going to be a standard feature for all next generation consoles. Running through an entire boot sequence every time you turn on your system is obviously antiquated. Everything should be able to sleep and resume instantly, multitask and potentially keep multiple game states stored so you don't even have to boot a game and load a hard save. It will just snapshot the gamestate to flash memory and keep it until you come back, even if you switch to another app, game, or "power down" the system.

It's worth noting that the leaked Xbox 720 concept docs describe a system that revolves around being always on and the only input your TV is ever set to. It has a low power SoC for media and social functions that never shuts off, like a Roku or DVR, and it would use a Google TV style HDMI pass-through for Cable or Sat TV so you can watch live television while still having access to notifications and dashboard elements. The 720 itself would play DVDs, Blu-rays, Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, etc, so theoretically you'd never have reason to connect anything else. The actual implementation may be different, but I think those kinds of conveniences are at the core of Microsoft's strategy next gen.

Point is, WiiU's modern OS may seem nice compared to 7 year old hardware, but that's not what it will ultimately be competing with. In the case of the 720 you will probably be able to do exactly what you describe, only using Smart Glass with any iPhone or tablet instead of the WiiU controller, but the 720 will switch over to the game automatically when it's ready, and while you're playing warn you when you're favorite football team is about to start playing, asking helpfully if you want to suspend your game and switch to ESPN. And since it's voice controlled you can just say yes.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 29, 2012, 02:14:12 PM
It makes no sense to have people participate if they have no chance at winning.

But that is a catch-22 because in order to have a chance of winning you have to first be in the debates. But the debates are a joke anyway. They are controlled by the two parties and designed specifically to lock out third parties and prevent them from ever having a chance. The whole election system is stacked in favor of the two party system.

I also don't see why it should be funded by tax payers. Not everyone is a democrat or republican. Why should they have to fund these two parties if they don't support them?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2012, 02:25:45 PM
If a candidate can't get to even 15% by early October (less than a month before the election), then  being in the debates will not make a difference in their chance at winning. The problem is that most third party candidates are fringe and don't appeal to most Americans. Ross Perot managed to get 18.9% of the vote in 1992 as a third party, but since then none have done well. If a candidate had the right organizing and skills, they could meet the qualifications. You can't just let anybody who runs for president be in the debates, there were 24 people who were presidential candidates in 2008 (meaning they were on at least one ballot in November 2008) and the highest third party was Ralph Nader at
738,721 votes (0.56%)
. 18 of those candidates only got a combine [/size]
323,984 votes (0.25%).

Taxpayers do NOT pay for the debates. They are paid for by the non-profit Commission on Presidential Debates, who get their funding from private contributions.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 29, 2012, 04:07:06 PM
The thing you need to realize is that Republicans and Democrats are AUTOMATICALLY on the ballot in every state and they don't have to spend any money or make any effort to do it. Third parties on the other hand have to fight tooth and nail just to even get on the ballots, and there is at least one state I know of which doesn't even allow third parties period. I think that state is Oklahoma or Kansas, but I'm not sure. So no matter what no third party could ever get on the ballot in that state because they don't allow it under any circumstances.

And third parties also do not get public funding from taxpayers the way that the two parties do. Third parties have far less resources because they rely completely on private donations, and the problem is they have to use every bit of money they have just to get on the ballots. Once they've done that (if they are even able to) there is very little money left over for campaigning.

The reason why Ross Perot did so well 20 years ago is because he is a billionaire and he funded his campaign mostly by himself, but after that they have changed the rules with campaign finance reform laws. So now it would be impossible for someone to do what Ross Perot did ever again. If some billionaire decided to run for president they would be limited in how much they could spend on their campaign so they would never be able to break into the success that Perot did. The Democrats and Republicans didn't like what Perot was able to do and it scared them, so since then they changed the rules to block it from ever happening again.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 29, 2012, 04:08:22 PM
You say it like someone not in the two party system would win anyway. Superpacs stack the favor on either party side that an independent would never win.

So are you voting chozo?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2012, 04:26:57 PM
Acutally Chozo, they are NOT automatically on every ballot. Those parties are just so organized that they can easily meet the qualifications. Each state also determines their own laws on how to get on the ballot. For example, in New York a political party can automatically put their candidate on the ballot if they had someone get at least 50K votes in the last Gubernatorial race (6 parties met this for 2008, so Green Party candidate Jill Stein will automatically be on the ballot this year). Otherwise, they a candidate must get at least 15K signatures on a petition and from a majority of the legislative districts. They don't technically have to spend any money to get on the ballot. And typically the only money the 2 big parties get from taxpayers is to pay for the conventions.

And no, someone could do the same thing Perot did. There is no law stopping a candidate from spending as much of their own money as they want. Hell, Mitt Romney spent $42.3 million of his OWN money trying to get the Republican nomination in 2008 (not PAC money or donated money to his campaign, this was his own personal money). The thing is that most rich people would prefer NOT to run for office because they would have to give up their current job in order to be president and make far less money.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 29, 2012, 05:44:32 PM
Hey guys, while it's pretty harmless right now, I'm going to have to remind you that politics are off limits here, and especially don't belong in the Xbox thread, so please cut this out, and take it to PMs if you have to continue.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 29, 2012, 10:16:23 PM
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/microsofts-boosts-security-xbox-hq-advance-hardware/

 
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Microsoft has been officially silent about plans for a successor to its Xbox 360 video-game console, but here’s a telltale sign that things are ramping up behind-the-scenes: The company is boosting security to an unprecedented level in the area of the Redmond campus that is home to the Xbox team, GeekWire has learned.

The company notified employees this week that it will be implementing new physical security measures —limiting employee access at four key Xbox and Interactive Entertainment Business buildings to ensure confidentiality of upcoming products.

It’s the first time Microsoft has taken this step on such a broad scale. The move represents a cultural shift, giving Microsoft’s key consumer products a level of security more along the lines of those implemented by Apple.

Microsoft hasn’t said when its next console is launching, and executives didn’t reference any specific product plans in their communications with employees this week. However, if the company were aiming for a fall 2013 launch of a new console, it would make sense for preliminary systems to start arriving soon for internal use and testing.

The changes will affect Microsoft Studios A, B, C, and D, on the west side of state Route 520, starting early next month with Studio A and rolling out to the other buildings by the end of the month.

Under the new policy, only employees and vendors in Microsoft’s Interactive Entertainment Business or assigned to the buildings will have open access. Other employees and vendors who need to enter the buildings for business reasons will need to go through an online registration process or register at the buildings as visitors, escorted by another employee with access to the buildings. The changes don’t impact the Commons area in the middle of the Xbox campus.

The changes are part of a broader plan to improve Xbox security, including document management. Over the summer, apparent details of the next Xbox version were made public in what was described at the time as the “Mother Of All Microsoft Leaks.”

Microsoft has historically had an open access policy across its Redmond campus, with employees able to visit any building, with rare exception.

Hmm I wonder if this makes a reveal at build even more likely.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 30, 2012, 12:54:51 PM
I hope it gets delayed until 2014. Nintendo should have released the Wii U in 2011, but they didn't, so they need the extra time to grab the marketshare before competition shows up.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 30, 2012, 01:45:10 PM
That probably makes a next year launch even more likely for both sony and microsoft to release their next gen consoles.people are very invested in their various ecosystems and would probably hold off on the Wii U.

Microsoft would have even more incentiive to keep their name in the headlines and keep the momentum they have been having with product releases lately.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 30, 2012, 08:10:14 PM
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/microsofts-boosts-security-xbox-hq-advance-hardware/ (http://www.geekwire.com/2012/microsofts-boosts-security-xbox-hq-advance-hardware/)

 
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Microsoft has been officially silent about plans for a successor to its Xbox 360 video-game console, but here’s a telltale sign that things are ramping up behind-the-scenes: The company is boosting security to an unprecedented level in the area of the Redmond campus that is home to the Xbox team, GeekWire has learned.

The company notified employees this week that it will be implementing new physical security measures —limiting employee access at four key Xbox and Interactive Entertainment Business buildings to ensure confidentiality of upcoming products.

It’s the first time Microsoft has taken this step on such a broad scale. The move represents a cultural shift, giving Microsoft’s key consumer products a level of security more along the lines of those implemented by Apple.

Microsoft hasn’t said when its next console is launching, and executives didn’t reference any specific product plans in their communications with employees this week. However, if the company were aiming for a fall 2013 launch of a new console, it would make sense for preliminary systems to start arriving soon for internal use and testing.

The changes will affect Microsoft Studios A, B, C, and D, on the west side of state Route 520, starting early next month with Studio A and rolling out to the other buildings by the end of the month.

Under the new policy, only employees and vendors in Microsoft’s Interactive Entertainment Business or assigned to the buildings will have open access. Other employees and vendors who need to enter the buildings for business reasons will need to go through an online registration process or register at the buildings as visitors, escorted by another employee with access to the buildings. The changes don’t impact the Commons area in the middle of the Xbox campus.

The changes are part of a broader plan to improve Xbox security, including document management. Over the summer, apparent details of the next Xbox version were made public in what was described at the time as the “Mother Of All Microsoft Leaks.”

Microsoft has historically had an open access policy across its Redmond campus, with employees able to visit any building, with rare exception.

Hmm I wonder if this makes a reveal at build even more likely.


Microsoft obviously wants to prevent the leaks that have recently plagued Apple (iPhone 5) and Sony (PS3 Slim, PS3 Super Slim, PS Vita, PSP Go).


Now that I think of it, Sony is really terrible at keeping secrets. They might as well show prototypes of the PS4 now. It's going to get leaked eventually, so they should just get it over with.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 03, 2012, 07:22:59 PM
With the internet everything gets leaked. Look at the iphone reveal or Nokia's lumia event from last month. We knew everything that was going to be announced before the events even happened.
So the Halo: Forward Unto Dawn film series starts this friday. Also ign will be showing off a new halo 4 map a week leading up to the launch of the game./
http://www.vg247.com/2012/10/01/halo-forward-unto-dawn-preview/ (http://www.vg247.com/2012/10/01/halo-forward-unto-dawn-preview/)
The Forza Horizon demo hits on October 9th.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/10/01/forza-horizon-demo-pulls-into-xbox-live-october-9/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/10/01/forza-horizon-demo-pulls-into-xbox-live-october-9/)
 
Also Microsoft is about to start a onslaught of product launches.
 
First on October 26th Microsoft is opening a number of holiday pop-up stores.
Aventura Mall – Aventura, FL
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 03, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
That keyboard looks cheap and ugly.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 03, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
Well they are touch covers like the ones apple sells for ipad.

They look and feel better in  person according to people who have used them. I do agree they all look pretty horrible out side the black one.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/06/microsofttablet0104.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/06/microsofttablet0203.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/06/microsofttablet0194.jpg)


The other colors look when your using it as a cover, but when you look at the keyboard side it looks horrid. I think if they would have went with a black highlight trim it would look better.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/06/microsofttablet0181.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/06/microsofttablet0177.jpg)

Not sure what they were thinking. The white trim and keys make sense of a black board but on this brighter lighter colors a black trim would not onlt be easier on the eyes but clash less with the black bezel of the tablet.

If I grab a surface will probably grab a black one and hope for some darker varients in keyboards.

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Post by: Ceric on October 04, 2012, 10:59:59 AM
I think how they make those keyboards didn't give them much choice on the background keyboard color.

I will pickup a surface but, I'm waiting for the Surface Pro.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 04, 2012, 01:20:17 PM
Yeah I'm probably going to spring for a pro with a black keyboard and another color epeding on what color my phone is.

Also this Friday an xbox exclusive beta for Medal of honor: warfighter.

 http://www.medalofhonor.com/blog/2012/10/medal-honor-warfighter-xbox-360-exclusive-open-beta


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What’s up everyone, I’m Ryan Hamlyn,Multiplayer Development Manager for Medal of Honor Warfighter, and I’m excited to personally invite you to get a taste of Medal of Honor Warfighter multiplayer through our exclusive Xbox 360 Open Beta, starting October 5th! Previously, we’ve shown you the lush jungles of the Philippines and the coastal areas of Somalia.Next we’retaking you to Sarajevo Stadium in Bosnia. As the combat starts, keep your eyes open for the former glory of this athletic playground. Keep with your Fireteam buddy as you take to the Hotspot game mode, where you’ll be tasked to attackor defend weapon caches that randomly pop-up on the battlefield.

Here’s a brief look at some of our features to get you ready to hit the ground running once the Open Beta goes live:

Fireteams Kicking things off is our exciting new Fireteams feature that makes class selection and team play much more interesting. Our consulting Operators have told us that in the real world they split up in pairs and work together to a point where they feel connected to their combat buddies, even without having them in direct sight. We’ve integrated this connection into the game so that you’ll be able chose a Fireteambuddyand trackhimfrom any distance and through any situation. This feature comes with many gameplay benefits including new buddy respawn options and resupply of ammo and health. And don’t forget there are also plenty of scoring rewards for working as a team, so be sure to keep close to your buddy and see what other bonuses you can achieve together.

Authentic Action Medal of Honor has always been an authentic experience, and this quality gives us the tools to take our multiplayer to a place no other shooter can go – putting you in the shoes of the world’s most elite warriors. In the Open Beta, you’ll get to see how the German KSK, the Polish GROM, the British SAS, and the famed U.S. Navy SEALS, along with all 12 total Tier 1 units, operate in real world locations. So choose your warrior and take them to a battleground where the best of the best fight to claim the top spot, claiming true Tier 1 status.

Battlelog Social Hub Not only can you step into the boots of 12 International Operators from around the world,but we’ve also made sure that every country in the United Nations is represented through our metagame, Warfighter Nations, powered by Battlelog. Battlelog also connects you incredibly deep into the stats of your online play, your friends, your platoon, and your best Fireteam buddies. Track your class ‘Tours’, explore every weapon in the game chasing weapon pins, customize your own platoon patch, and even fully customize your weapon in the “My Gun” tool. And, we’ve extended the experienceto your consoleso you’llbe able to pull up the Battlelog dashboard to seethelatest on how your friends are progressing and what unlocks lie in store for you next.

Warfighter Classes Rebuilding Medal of Honor on the Frostbite 2 engine has allowed us to remake our class system. Each of the six Classes will offer you a different style of play, different abilities, and different support actions, which allows you to select your class based on what’s best for you! We encourage you to try them all out. The full game has 12 InternationalOperators, 35map/mode combinations, and thousands of Fireteam pairs to choose from while battling it out in authentic real world locations. We hope you enjoy this small slice of Warfighter that we’re offering in the Open Beta, and we look forward to hearing your feedback!



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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 04, 2012, 08:57:22 PM
I plan to watch the debates, but on TV. Meh, maybe I will have my Xbox 360 on anyways. I couldn't care less about Halo 4, but I love free swag.


Speaking of Xbox 360 rewards, Microsoft started a program to reward people based on their Gamerscore. If you have a Gamerscore of 3,000-9,999, you are a "Contender" and will get a special gift in your birthday month (though they don't say what it is). If your Gamerscore is 10,000-24,999 you are a "Champion" and get both the special gift and a 1% rebate on every Xbox Live Marketplace purchase (i.e. you buy a 1200 point game and you will get 12 points back). If your Gamerscore is 25,000 or higher you are a "Legend" and will get the special gift and a 2% rebate on Xbox Live Marketplace purchases.

I am seeing reports that the "special gift" is Microsoft giving you a measly 20 Microsoft Points.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 04, 2012, 09:00:14 PM
Translated from Microsoft Spacebucks to actual currency, that's a whole quarter.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 04, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
I know it's a free reward, but it's still a pretty crappy gift. Why not do something like let gamers pick 1 Xbox Live Arcade game that is 800 points or less as a free gift?
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 04, 2012, 10:59:00 PM
Microsoft is full of **** for the most part.  they should do it like nintendo does with the club nintendo rewards. Its odd that this sucks when microsoft does the bing rewards which is pretty decent.

Also
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/6854719/win8invite_large_extra_large.jpg)

And

(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/6855313/wp8date_large_extra_large.jpg)

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Post by: shingi_70 on October 10, 2012, 10:23:52 AM
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/10/9/3480038/windows-8-local-currency-xbox-content-microsoft-points

Microsoft is starting to get rid of the microsoft points currency. Windows 8 and most likely Windows Phone 8 wont be using allard space bucks. The xbox however will keep using it but im guessing thays more of a technical issue and should be replaced with something else when the next xbox launches.


 http://mobile.theverge.com/gaming/2012/10/10/3482638/new-microsoft-rule-bans-machinima-makers-from-profiting-off-of-game

So microsoft hasnt started enforcing it yet but they have this new odd rule that no one can profit off of machina. Pretty sure that most places can go around doing it for free. The only expections to the rule so far are MLG and Rooster Teeth.

 http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/10/9/3477744/contre-jour-ie-10-windows-8-web-html5

Microsoft is getting a port of the ipad game Contre Jour to the windows and windows Phone store. Not only that but they have the full game working inside web broswers using htlm5 technology.

Beyond that more windows 8 hardware is being announced in various form factors. Some win 8 ads did leak that are better than what i thought microsoft was going to pull out.

 http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/10/10/3482454/windows-8-ads-leak

Also Ballmer has stated there is a shift at microsoft and they are becoming a services and hardware company.

 http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/10/9/3480696/steve-ballmer-shareholder-letter-2012-devices-services
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 10, 2012, 04:31:54 PM
I don't think it is odd that they are gonna start banning people from illegally profiting off of their IPs (which is what these machinima makers would be doing).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2012, 10:46:57 PM
I am fine with them banning people from profiting from those videos. A lot of people who are making those videos are just wanting to get on the gravy train and make money from something they might not even have a passion for. People are still allowed to make the videos provided they aren't profiting from them, which I think is as it should be, because when someone does it without profiting you know they are doing it because they are passionate about it and that way it weeds out all the money grabbers and makes for a better community overall.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 15, 2012, 10:38:59 AM
So the xbox recently got a $50 price cut on the 250GB model and the 4GB with kinect model. Putting each model at $250 and a 250GB kinect model at $350. Each one comes in various two game bundles.

 http://mobile.theverge.com/gaming/2012/10/14/3501278/gamestop-price-cuts-50-off-xbox-360-holiday-bundles

Microsoft's first free to play game Happy Wars launched last week. Pretty fun game and pretty balanced for its type.

Xbox Music Launches on the xbox tommorow and for windows 8 on oct.26 . The features are

-Free streaming on Windows 8 and Windows RT
-Unlimted skips on the free version
- smart DJ pandora stle playlist
-normal pay as you want itunes style service.
-$9.99 a month subscription to use on windows phone 8 and xbox.
-music cloud locker feature coming in 2013
-ios and android apps coming next year.

Oddly enough xbox music cant be used on Windows 7 or windows phone 7. This also means that the synching software wont work on windows 7.  This means that microsoft is sorta of forcing those who buy windows phone 8 to upgrade to windows 8 and vice versa.

 http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/15/xbox-music-hands-on/?icid=m_eng_latest_art

Engadget has a preview of the just dance 3 smart glass functions.

 http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/15/dance-central-3-smartglass/?icid=eng_latest_art
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Post by: Ceric on October 15, 2012, 11:01:09 AM
I would not be surprised if they have connector software like they do on OSX to sync to older versions of Windows.

So they are taking a Spotify approach to Music.  I'm sure MS has already had lawyers gearing up for the Fines in the EU. 
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 15, 2012, 12:57:01 PM
Why would they be fined?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 15, 2012, 01:00:29 PM
The EU is pesky and think everyone is always doing a monopoly. Like when they whined because Microsoft didn't have Windows PC's have a "Browser select" screen. The EU would try to find some reason to complain about Xbox Music not working on Windows 7 or Windows Phone 7 (baseless claims, but they would try and say it's illegal).
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 15, 2012, 02:34:23 PM
So why doesnt the EU ever attack apple who also violates these same rules?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 15, 2012, 02:41:27 PM
Don't know, they should since Apple is the same way. You don't get that automatic choice when you buy a Mac computer, for example. My only guess is it's because PC's vastly outsell Macs. Guess the EU doesn't care that Apple has a OS monopoly on Macs.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 15, 2012, 02:45:23 PM
So is Free To Play the new way to add value to Xbox Gold accounts?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 15, 2012, 03:52:27 PM
Don't know, they should since Apple is the same way. You don't get that automatic choice when you buy a Mac computer, for example. My only guess is it's because PC's vastly outsell Macs. Guess the EU doesn't care that Apple has a OS monopoly on Macs.

But Apple makes Macs, Microsoft doesn't make PCs.
Apple controls the Hardware, so they should be able to control the Pre-installed software.
Microsoft is in a completely different situation and intervention was justified.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 15, 2012, 04:09:25 PM
Actually, being able to control the software makes them a monopoly. If anything, Apple is far worse because if you buy a Mac then you have no choice as to what OS or browser you get (you HAVE to have OX X and Safari). With PCs, you can buy ones with Windows and without Internet Explorer. Microsoft was attacked because they dominated the OS market. What Apple does though is much more of a monopoly, and if Macs become bigger then there is a higher chance that anti-trust regulators will FINALLY go after them for their un-competitive practices.

And under your logic, if Microsoft made the PCs themselves, then they wouldn't have done anything wrong by having Internet Explorer be the default browser.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 15, 2012, 05:39:43 PM
Incorrect TJ. Internet explorer is an integral part of Windows, had you tried to uninstall it, you either breaks the operating system or it falls back to an internal copy of it since it forms the basis of the Windows GUI. Deleting Safari would only break the "Search with Google" Context menu item. Macs can also run Windows and Linux if you so desire via bootcamp that walks you through the process.

MS got fined for leveraging their monopoly in the OS market on to the browser market. Had Apple done the same, they would have been fined. The important distinction is that Apple doesn't have a monopoly and hasn't actively disallowed other browsers by integrating Safari into the core operating system.

The only Monopoly Apple has is on hipsterism and that in itself is enough of a penalty.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 15, 2012, 05:51:14 PM
I am not wrong at all.
Macs can't natively run Windows, you have to trick it into doing so. You can do the same trick to run Mac OS X on Windows PCs. Apple DOES have a monopoly on Macs, they just get away with it because Mac has a very low marketshare (about 10%). Nobody WANTS Safari anyways, Apple would have to beg OEM to even use it. If Macs ever get significant marketshare, they will get busted for their monopoly. The EU is bitching because when someone buys a Windows PC, they are not presented with a "Select your browser" screen. Apple doesn't do that either, when you buy a Mac, you don't get a choice as to which browser to start with. Apple fanboys don't see that Apple is doing the same thing that got Microsoft in trouble.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 15, 2012, 05:53:03 PM
So looks like Microsoft is creating another hardcore studio. Irrational Games (bioshock and bioshock infinte) combat design director and A.I. Lead have left to joing microsoft.

 https://mobile.twitter.com/supererogatory/status/256281600344596480

They are joining a former Irrational producer who also left for microsoft.

 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-faulstick/4/42a/702

As well as a former level designer from naughty dog who left in may.

 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/alex-liu/2b/1a9/14

Really no indication its a new studio other than the fact that all three are working directly in Redmond at microsoft headquaters and not any known studios.

This studio will probably be core focused and join MS Vancouver (headed by the Crysis 2 lead designer and rumored to be working on a space horror game) and MS Victoria (headed by a former ea blackbox guy) as well as all the current core and casuel studios.

Aruther gies also said on twitter that it was inline of what he had heard about microsoft renewing first party efforts since last year.


Also an article from engadget about how microsoft is evolving the xbox brand ro be more than video games.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 15, 2012, 06:15:40 PM
The reason why you have to use Bootcamp and the tricks to get OSX installed on PCs is that Windows doesn't fully support EFI(Extendable firmware Interface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface)) which is basically next gen Bios which was an Intel initiative.

The browser select screen is the end result but not why MS was fined. If you paid any attention to what I said earlier, IE was/is integrated in the the operating system as part of the windowing element of the GUI. Had you tried to completely uninstall IE, you would break the operating system since it would involved removing core elements. It meant IE was literally uninstallable.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 15, 2012, 06:26:00 PM
Regarding the first point, you have to use tricks to get OS X to work in Windows too.

The reason Microsoft was fined in 2009 was because because of the browser select thing. How can you not agree that what Apple is doing is illegal too? They get away with it because Mac's marketshare is puny.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 15, 2012, 06:44:01 PM
Regarding the first point, you have to use tricks to get OS X to work in Windows too.
I know about the trick(s). I am using them right now to type this out. My computer is a non-apple Mac. The trick is basically a bootloader. The only hacks I had to use was custom drivers for the network and a description file for the graphics card. Everything else works natively.

The browser select window is the solution, the final compromise, but not the reason they were fined. OSX comes with Safari, but it isn't dependant on it, that is the difference. OSX actively supports other operating systems Via bootcamp and developing drivers so they work on a IntelMac. Windows doesn't have this and doesn't have to because Windows is software only. Bootcamp is why Apple isn't being prosecuted for an anti-trust violations.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 16, 2012, 06:33:00 AM
Apple is in no way a monopoly. There is nothing illegal about making your own hardware and software and tying them to each other, and calling them a monopoly because only Macs run OS X or because Macs only run OS X shows how ignorant you are of what antitrust laws are supposed to do. Boot Camp has nothing to do with that; Apple didn't have to officially support dual booting like they do. What is illegal is abusing your monopoly position in the market to unfairly influence other companies or markets, which is what Microsoft did.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 16, 2012, 10:47:43 AM
So the new xbox dashboard update should be going live for everyone.  The update features

Quote
-Refreshed Xbox 360 Dashboard. We’ve updated the UI with a few things, including an updated layout with more tiles, a combined TV & Movies channel and, in the US, a Sports destination. -Internet Explorer for Xbox. With Internet Explorer on Xbox, you can easily find and view internet content on the biggest screen in the house, including HTML5 videos. -Recommendations and Ratings. Recommendations will allow you to discover new favorites, generated based on a number of variables including the content you previously viewed, what your friends are consuming and what is most relevant and popular with our Xbox community. You can now rate content yourself and also see Rotten Tomatoes ratings. -Pinning. Pinning lets you personalize the dashboard by saving your favorite movies, TV shows, games, music, videos and websites right to the home screen. It’s as easy as opening an app or a favorite movie and clicking “pin.” -Xbox Video. Formerly called Zune Video Marketplace, Xbox Video offers hundreds of thousands of TV shows and movies for buying or renting in instant HD streaming. -Recent. Previously called Quick Play, the Recent view gives you a list of movies, games, apps or other types of content that you most recently accessed on the console. -Enhanced Search. The last Xbox LIVE update brought Bing voice search to Xbox so you could use voice to search for movies, TV shows, actors, directors and artists. This year we added genre search to the list, so now you can search for action, comedy, romance, drama or sci-fi. Bing voice search now includes results for video across the Web, including YouTube. -International Expansion of Voice Search. We’ve expanded our Kinect voice search capabilities to 9 new countries –Canada, France, Germany, Japan, Mexico, Italy, Spain, Austria, and Ireland.

What about Xbox SmartGlass? That’s coming too, but not until Windows 8 launches on October 26th. When the Xbox SmartGlass app launches on tablets, PCs and smartphones, it will include key foundational experiences for interacting with your Xbox 360, such as dashboard and app navigation and Internet Explorer control, like text input, scrolling and pinch and zoom.

Yesterday, we shared all the details about Xbox Music, our brand new digital music service. Xbox Music begins rolling out today on Xbox 360, it will launch with free streaming on all Windows 8 PCs and tablets on October 26th and Windows Phone 8 as devices arrive in market. Xbox Music combines all the different ways people love to enjoy music, creating the ultimate all-in-one music service.

Also microsoft has announced pricing got the surface RT tablet.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1567383/surfacepricing_560.png)

Really think it would have been better to cut each model by $100 so the entry level would be $399.

At this point $600 for a 32GB RT tablet makes no sense for around that same much HP will offer the HP Envy X2 for the same amount and that will be at 64GB and running a clovertrail processor letting you also run X86 applications.

Sucks as the device and keyboard looked really good in the commerical that premired yesterday. Still expecting the device to sell moderately well but not at ipad levels. Not really important when there are a ton of other form factors to choose from.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 16, 2012, 01:08:35 PM
Apple is in no way a monopoly. There is nothing illegal about making your own hardware and software and tying them to each other, and calling them a monopoly because only Macs run OS X or because Macs only run OS X shows how ignorant you are of what antitrust laws are supposed to do. Boot Camp has nothing to do with that; Apple didn't have to officially support dual booting like they do. What is illegal is abusing your monopoly position in the market to unfairly influence other companies or markets, which is what Microsoft did.

Your whole post made me laugh, especially since you can't see the illegality of what Apple is doing. Whatever, part of this makes me want to see Macs get a larger marketshare so the DOJ and EU will finally go after them.
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Post by: Ceric on October 16, 2012, 01:10:43 PM
Thats a shame on the Surface pricing.  I would have started $399 max and the covers I price at 60 and 70 respectively.

Though no one on this board will get one because over $250 is way to much to pay for electronics. :P:
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 16, 2012, 01:27:11 PM
Apple is in no way a monopoly. There is nothing illegal about making your own hardware and software and tying them to each other, and calling them a monopoly because only Macs run OS X or because Macs only run OS X shows how ignorant you are of what antitrust laws are supposed to do. Boot Camp has nothing to do with that; Apple didn't have to officially support dual booting like they do. What is illegal is abusing your monopoly position in the market to unfairly influence other companies or markets, which is what Microsoft did.

Your whole post made me laugh, especially since you can't see the illegality of what Apple is doing. Whatever, part of this makes me want to see Macs get a larger marketshare so the DOJ and EU will finally go after them.

What is illegal about what Apple is doing? You don't seem to understand the difference between Apple, who makes their own hardware that runs their own software, and Microsoft, who makes an OS that other companies make hardware for. I also hope Apple sees a dramatic spike in marketshare, so I get better software support and you get shown that they won't get prosecuted.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 16, 2012, 01:50:34 PM
Yeah the price for RT should have been lower despite the awesome hardware and coming with office.

oddly enough im stillpumped for the proand wouldnt mind paying the 800+ it will probably cost.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 16, 2012, 07:36:43 PM
Also Microsoft has announced pricing got the Surface RT tablet.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1567383/surfacepricing_560.png)

Really think it would have been better to cut each model by $100 so the entry level would be $399.

At this point $600 for a 32GB RT tablet makes no sense for around that same much HP will offer the HP Envy X2 for the same amount and that will be at 64GB and running a clovertrail processor letting you also run X86 applications.

Sucks as the device and keyboard looked really good in the commerical that premired yesterday. Still expecting the device to sell moderately well but not at ipad levels. Not really important when there are a ton of other form factors to choose from.


How are those prices bad if they are the same as (or comparable to) an iPad? The surface gives you more functionality than an iPad, with the inclusion of HDMI and USB ports. If you think the Surface is overpriced, then what about the iPad?
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Post by: Ceric on October 16, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
Also Microsoft has announced pricing got the Surface RT tablet.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1567383/surfacepricing_560.png)

Really think it would have been better to cut each model by $100 so the entry level would be $399.

At this point $600 for a 32GB RT tablet makes no sense for around that same much HP will offer the HP Envy X2 for the same amount and that will be at 64GB and running a clovertrail processor letting you also run X86 applications.

Sucks as the device and keyboard looked really good in the commerical that premired yesterday. Still expecting the device to sell moderately well but not at ipad levels. Not really important when there are a ton of other form factors to choose from.


How are those prices bad if they are the same as (or comparable to) an iPad? The surface gives you more functionality than an iPad, with the inclusion of HDMI and USB ports. If you think the Surface is overpriced, then what about the iPad?
Overpriced.
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Post by: ymeegod on October 17, 2012, 12:00:01 PM
As soon as MS stated that it wasn't supporting any X86 software the Surface went right off my "want" list.  Would have been killer if there was an tablet that supported existing PC software (Steam for one) but sadly the Windows RT will only support the few apps from MS store.

Compared to the millions on apps on Droid/Apple stores, MS's selection is going be rather limited.  Can't even play my XBLA games on it :( .  Pointless.
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Post by: Ceric on October 17, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
As soon as MS stated that it wasn't supporting any X86 software the Surface went right off my "want" list.  Would have been killer if there was an tablet that supported existing PC software (Steam for one) but sadly the Windows RT will only support the few apps from MS store.

Compared to the millions on apps on Droid/Apple stores, MS's selection is going be rather limited.  Can't even play my XBLA games on it :( .  Pointless.
Congratulation!  Your the Market for the Pro which will be a fully functional Windows.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 17, 2012, 06:03:42 PM
As soon as MS stated that it wasn't supporting any X86 software the Surface went right off my "want" list.  Would have been killer if there was an tablet that supported existing PC software (Steam for one) but sadly the Windows RT will only support the few apps from MS store.

Compared to the millions on apps on Droid/Apple stores, MS's selection is going be rather limited.  Can't even play my XBLA games on it :( .  Pointless.


MS's selection will be limited because they have a brand new device coming out. Use some common sense. You really expect Microsoft to have thousands of apps ready on day 1? It took iOS and Android years to get to where they are today.


And the Surface RT tablet is meant to be an iPad competitor, not a full PC replacement. The Windows 8 version is coming out next year, and it will be like a laptop/tablet hybrid.
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Post by: Louieturkey on October 17, 2012, 07:43:31 PM
Apple is in no way a monopoly. There is nothing illegal about making your own hardware and software and tying them to each other, and calling them a monopoly because only Macs run OS X or because Macs only run OS X shows how ignorant you are of what antitrust laws are supposed to do. Boot Camp has nothing to do with that; Apple didn't have to officially support dual booting like they do. What is illegal is abusing your monopoly position in the market to unfairly influence other companies or markets, which is what Microsoft did.

Your whole post made me laugh, especially since you can't see the illegality of what Apple is doing. Whatever, part of this makes me want to see Macs get a larger marketshare so the DOJ and EU will finally go after them.

What is illegal about what Apple is doing? You don't seem to understand the difference between Apple, who makes their own hardware that runs their own software, and Microsoft, who makes an OS that other companies make hardware for. I also hope Apple sees a dramatic spike in marketshare, so I get better software support and you get shown that they won't get prosecuted.
Did you know Microsoft has a monopoly on the Xbox 360 according to TJ's logic?  They should be prosecuted because they don't allow the PS3 XMB on it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 18, 2012, 09:39:56 AM
As soon as MS stated that it wasn't supporting any X86 software the Surface went right off my "want" list.  Would have been killer if there was an tablet that supported existing PC software (Steam for one) but sadly the Windows RT will only support the few apps from MS store.

Compared to the millions on apps on Droid/Apple stores, MS's selection is going be rather limited.  Can't even play my XBLA games on it :( .  Pointless.

I wouldnt worry about apps.  Seiing as metro apps run on every windows 8 hardware and its what consumers are being pointed too expect that number to blow up next year.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 18, 2012, 05:10:49 PM
Apple is in no way a monopoly. There is nothing illegal about making your own hardware and software and tying them to each other, and calling them a monopoly because only Macs run OS X or because Macs only run OS X shows how ignorant you are of what antitrust laws are supposed to do. Boot Camp has nothing to do with that; Apple didn't have to officially support dual booting like they do. What is illegal is abusing your monopoly position in the market to unfairly influence other companies or markets, which is what Microsoft did.


Fanboy in denial...
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 18, 2012, 05:21:58 PM
Apple is in no way a monopoly. There is nothing illegal about making your own hardware and software and tying them to each other, and calling them a monopoly because only Macs run OS X or because Macs only run OS X shows how ignorant you are of what antitrust laws are supposed to do. Boot Camp has nothing to do with that; Apple didn't have to officially support dual booting like they do. What is illegal is abusing your monopoly position in the market to unfairly influence other companies or markets, which is what Microsoft did.


Fanboy in denial...

Person who is ignorant of antitrust law making baseless claims.
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Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
On the MS Antitrust IE stuff.  I would personally label it if Microsoft didn't allow other browsers to function at the same level as IE.  Which we all know that has never been the case.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 18, 2012, 11:42:20 PM
Apple is in no way a monopoly. There is nothing illegal about making your own hardware and software and tying them to each other, and calling them a monopoly because only Macs run OS X or because Macs only run OS X shows how ignorant you are of what antitrust laws are supposed to do. Boot Camp has nothing to do with that; Apple didn't have to officially support dual booting like they do. What is illegal is abusing your monopoly position in the market to unfairly influence other companies or markets, which is what Microsoft did.


Fanboy in denial...

Person who is ignorant of antitrust law making baseless claims.


So Microsoft promoting their own browser to get people to connect to the internet is considered a monopoly? It's not like they block other browsers from being used. You can freely download any browser you want on Windows, and you can even set them as a default browser.


Contrast this to Apple, which blocks iOS 3rd-party browsers from using Nitro Javascript, and they don't let you change the default browser. THAT would be considered antitrust.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 18, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
Promoting their browser didn't cause the lawsuit. It was Microsoft forcing any OEM that wanted to include Windows would also HAVE to include Internet Explorer as the only installed browser. And since Windows PC's were like 95% of the market (they still are like 90%), it would be financially disastrous for a manufacturer to try and sell a PC without Windows installed because consumers would likely pick a different computer..
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 19, 2012, 12:36:13 AM
Promoting their browser didn't cause the lawsuit. It was Microsoft forcing any OEM that wanted to include Windows would also HAVE to include Internet Explorer as the only installed browser. And since Windows PC's were like 95% of the market (they still are like 90%), it would be financially disastrous for a manufacturer to try and sell a PC without Windows installed because consumers would likely pick a different computer..

Exactly. It wasn't bundling the browser that got them in trouble, it was using their monopoly in the PC market to force other companies to do something. If Microsoft made their own hardware they would have been perfectly within their rights to bundle Internet Explorer and tie it into the system the way they did.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 22, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
So played with a Windows 8 Laptop over the weekend and got a chance to mess around with the Xbox stuff for a bit.

The actual xbox app is pretty similar to the current dashboard. It shows your profile as well your friends list and the games you've recently played. The app also allows you to buy games and start software on your xbox.

Messed around with three games and the most gamish of the three rocket riot 3D was pretty intresting. One of the things I liked was the turorial of the game changed depending on the form factor i was using. When playing with a laptop it gave me controls for the keyboard (move with wasd and aim and shoot with the mouse/touchpad) and on a tablet it gives you digital controls.

The next game i tried was a point and click adventure game called Adera. Seemed to be pretty well made but really couldn't tell as I skiped though most of the story parts.  One of the bonus in the menu options were a soundtrack of the game and artwork that gives you the option to make your windows lockscreen.

The last game i tried was wordamont.

All windows 8 games have 200 gamescore and when getting an achievment you get a small notfication in the top right hand corner.

Didn't get a chance to try smartglass since it wont launch until this friday.

Going to post some more impressions once i have windows 8.

Also xbox live was down a bit this morning.
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Post by: Do_What on October 22, 2012, 03:05:04 PM
I have a old as dirt Lenovo X61 tablet laptop and windows 8 works decently well on it. The screen is resistive though, so it's not perfect. It does work, though. I like it quite a bit. I can't wait to get a new laptop. I'm stuck with lenovo so there's a 60% chance I'll end up with that thinkpad edge twist thing they announced recently.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 23, 2012, 10:28:40 AM
Microsoft is expanding the $99 xbox program they started eariler this year in terms of skus offered as well as retailers particpating.

(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/7077037/xb360_large_extra_large.png)

Regardless of which you choose your going to be paying $14.99 a month for the next two years.

 http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3542196/xbox-360-250gb-two-year-contract-subsidy

Microsoft also updated the xbox smartglass application for windows 8.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBGkSuaqWEE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Xbox SmartGlass will also be available later this week when Windows 8 launches on October 26th. When the Xbox SmartGlass app launches on tablets, PCs and smartphones, it will include key foundational experiences for interacting with your Xbox 360, such as dashboard and app navigation and Internet Explorer control, like text input, scrolling and pinch and zoom. Additionally, you will get SmartGlass experiences with Xbox Video and Xbox Music starting this week. Xbox SmartGlass will be a free downloadable app that takes your Windows 8 tablets and PCs, Windows Phone 8, iOS and Android devices, and converts them into a smart second screen for the entertainment you are enjoying through your Xbox.

The current smartglass enabled apps and games are

Games
 Ascend
 Dance Central 3
 Forza Horizon
 Halo Waypoint
 Home Run Stars
 Karaoke
 Kinect Sesame Street TV
 Prima Games

Sports apps
 ESPN
 NBA Game Time
 UFC

Entertaiment apps
 Elections 2012
 HBO GO
 MSN
 NBC News
 NOW TV
 Slacker Radio
 TODAY
 Univision
Internet Explorer
Xbox Music
Xbox Video

Also added is a xbox sports hub into the main dashboard.  It takes all the infomation from the various sports apps and puts all of the info for upcoming games and sports scores into one place. To commerate that the NBA Game Time app. Launched today. Guessing the NHL one is delyed for obvious reasons. Really hope next spring microsoft can get MLS Live.

Lastly microsoft is kicking off showing its ecosystem.  The font page has a menu item that's decidcated to the all the new xbox stuff.

Not sure if I should make a seperate thread but anyone here getting Halo 4? Would love to get a group to play sparten ops with.

Also first Windows 8 reviews are up

The verge gave it an 8.8
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 23, 2012, 10:51:38 AM
Buying a video game system through a contract subscription to Xbox Live? That's a terrible idea! Why doesn't Microsoft just drop the price of the console like everyone else? And now they're overcharging you for monthly Xbox Live payments ($14 a month does not equal $60 a year).
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 23, 2012, 12:41:28 PM
Smartglass does indeed sound impressive (on paper at least) and seems a cleverway for Microsoft to try to ensure those of its existing X-Box customers are not tempted away by the promises of Wii U. The launch date for SmartGlass is clever as well.
Gotta say, well played by Microsoft here.
 
Still won't get me to cancel my Wii U pre order nor to buy an X-box but that is likely no big deal to Microsoft  ;D
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Post by: Do_What on October 23, 2012, 12:42:50 PM
Because there are a number of people for whom $100 up front and a monthly payment fits their lives more than dropping $250 up front and also paying for XBL anyway. Just like cell phones, but no one blinks at that.
Well, I do. Cause I haven't been on contract in four or so years and just buy my phones outright, but I'm one of a very small number of people who do that.
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Post by: Ceric on October 23, 2012, 01:10:40 PM
Because there are a number of people for whom $100 up front and a monthly payment fits their lives more than dropping $250 up front and also paying for XBL anyway. Just like cell phones, but no one blinks at that.
Well, I do. Cause I haven't been on contract in four or so years and just buy my phones outright, but I'm one of a very small number of people who do that.
I do. 

In fact I had an argument with AT&T about that Yesterday.  Saying I was saving money because I wasn't paying the $700 "Retail Price." Then they had the nerve to try to sell me a $10 a month "Insurance" which was really just a scam to pay $10 a month for the right to Re-buy the phone at the actual price of $199...

Its a racket.  People like to say we are getting ripped off by the $350 for the Deluxe Wii U.  That I feel justifies it price.  But $700 for any phone... Yeah... That's a Crock.  Unless said phone can fully replace a computer...
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Post by: Do_What on October 23, 2012, 06:06:21 PM
yeah, I'm not paying $600 for a phone. I spent $350 on my current phone and that's as high as I will ever go. But I'm paying about $55 a month after taxes for unlimited data and texts and way more than enough minutes on some extinct t-mobile plan.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 23, 2012, 08:53:57 PM
So here's some infomation of all the smartglass content annouced so far.

At launch

Dashboard Navigation
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/64/87/64876f6c-fbe5-4033-9b4b-3bcfd239028b.jpg?n=mod2-dashboard-navigation-455x256.jpg)

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Navigate through the Xbox 360 Dash using the familiar gestures that you use throughout the day on your smartphone and tablet computer. Selecting something is as simple as tapping the screen.

Text Input
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/df/c0/dfc09a44-a108-46f9-a4bd-4c4dc02af7ee.jpg?n=mod2-text-input-455x256.jpg)

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Use the virtual keyboard you’re most familiar with-the one you use everyday on your smart device. Typing text and numbers into Xbox SmartGlass is as simple as writing a text message.

Browser Control
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/ab/18/ab186290-9474-48ee-8eea-42b265abd725.jpg?n=mod2-browser-control-455x256.jpg)

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Xbox SmartGlass is the world’s greatest remote control for Internet Explorer and the only way you will ever want to surf the web. Use Xbox SmartGlass to navigate, scroll, pinch and zoom, and launch hotlinks on your IE browser right from your smart device.[/auote]

Xbox Video Guide
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/7d/73/7d7315d2-a1c0-4fb7-a4bc-bc6ee604033f.jpg?n=mod2-xbox-video-guide-455x256.jpg)

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Use Xbox Video Guide to discover more about the actors on screen, jump to the exact moment you’d like to watch, or find other videos you might enjoy next, when you watch TV or movies with Xbox Video on your Xbox 360.

Xbox Music Guide
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/c7/33/c7335dc4-1c77-44ba-9c64-9111c59953a2.jpg?n=mod2-xbox-music-guide-455x256.jpg)

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Use Xbox Music Guide to read about your favorite artists, control the music that’s playing on your Xbox 360 and discover great new content related to your favorite tunes.

Dance Central 3
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/d5/e0/d5e0f1ae-07bc-427f-b5ca-919b9408f193.jpg?n=mod2-dance-central3-455x256.jpg)

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Use your touchscreen mobile device or tablet to control your Party Time playlists on the fly, update settings like difficulty and play modes, set and track fitness goals, and more…all without interrupting gameplay, or having to navigate in-game menus.

Forza Horizon
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/fe/68/fe680ed3-9fea-4d50-81fd-7b0aaa45f389.jpg?n=mod2-forza-horizon-455x256.jpg)

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Explore the open roads of Colorado with the Forza Horizon Xbox SmartGlass Experience. Explore and interact with the complete map of the Forza Horizon game world through intuitive gestures on your tablet or mobile device while seamlessly playing the game on your TV screen. No pausing required-keep the pedal down no matter where your destination lies.

Home StarRunners
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/df/e0/dfe0d976-301b-4971-94fa-eb106cec09ee.jpg?n=mod2-home-run-stars-455x256.jpg)

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Step up to the plate and swing for the fence in Home Run Stars, featuring Avatar FameStar! Progress through the League mode through all three unique stadiums. Each one features a vast number of spectacular targets to aim for and earn big points. Compete with your friends in multiplayer for the highest score. Use your device supported by Xbox SmartGlass to compete in a Duel with a friend!

Upcoming apps

Slacker Radio
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/09/3a/093afe97-f140-424f-9327-e7870c84c3c0.jpg?n=mod2-slacker-radio-450x256.jpg)

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Slacker has more personalized content than any other radio service, featuring over 200 expert-programmed stations of music, ESPN Radio, ABC News, comedy and more! Listen to millions of songs from thousands of artists, customized just for you.

Kinect Seasme Street TV
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/49/a1/49a1b91f-0dee-42ff-8dfb-2be2ee4cabca.jpg?n=mod2-kinect-sesame-street-tv-455x256.jpg)

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Children are invited to experience the world of Sesame Street alongside their favorite characters, such as Big Bird, Grover, Cookie Monster and Elmo, like never before. Learning has never been so much fun.

Now TV
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/d6/f7/d6f7249a-8386-4e87-96a7-587bad9893b3.jpg?n=mod2-now-tv-450x256.jpg)

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NOW TV, powered by Sky, provides instant-access to Sky Movies, through your XBox. Offering easy and flexible access to the UK's most popular subscription movies service with up to 600 exclusive titles at any one time – NOW TV comes with no contract, set-up costs or installation. New customers can also take advantage of a free 30 day trial of the service.

NBC News
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/5c/a9/5ca97bcf-d056-4760-946e-a9db8501e52d.jpg?n=mod2-nbc-news-455x256.jpg)

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Watch NBC News for the latest business, politics, entertainment and health videos. The #1 source for news videos online is now on Xbox.

Karaoke
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/17/e8/17e82c86-b374-48f4-a1e3-24c481a32c42.jpg?n=mod2-karaoke-455x256.jpg)

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Bring the party home and sing more than 8,000 songs from the latest hits to the rockin’ oldies! Build your own personalized stage and back-up band as you directly stream any song from the entire playlist. Use the SmartGlass app to quickly and easily pick songs and add them to the queue. Enjoy Karaoke like you’ve never experienced it before! Coming later this year!

MSN
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/7e/4e/7e4e8e4f-7e40-469b-9c92-5d04929c9142.jpg?n=mod2-msn_455x256.jpg)

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MSN Companion allows you to control your MSN viewing experience. Browse the latest news, sports, original programming, and more, all on-demand from your device while using the MSN app on your Xbox 360.

Ascend: New Gods
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/55/c8/55c87599-9449-41a2-9c61-2b621bd2fee9.jpg?n=mod2-ascend-455x256.jpg)

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Ascend: Oracle is the premiere companion experience for Xbox LIVE Arcade’s Ascend: New Gods. The first of its kind, this game-state-aware strategy companion provides just-in-time player-boss stats and comprehensive dungeon maps with real-time player location automatically while you play the game.

UFC
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/89/94/89949457-e6db-474c-9280-993e00cbf8f8.jpg?n=mod2-UFC-455x256.jpg)

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With video on demand, an interactive fight card with Fight Picks, and easy Pay-Per-View, UFC on Xbox LIVE gives you the fight your way!

ESPN
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/34/82/34821ab5-7285-4424-8217-1354c6dc48c2.jpg?n=mod2-ESPN_450x256.jpg)

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ESPN on Xbox LIVE® is the most powerful way to get your daily sports fix! With thousands of live events, highlights and replays in HD, and rich personalization features, you will never miss a moment of the action!

NBA Game Time
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/8d/0b/8d0bcf1f-cabc-45aa-8705-e782b1abd26c.jpg?n=mod2-NBA_450x256.jpg)

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Follow your favorite NBA teams and players on your Xbox 360 with NBA Game Time. Dig deep with daily highlights from around the league and up to the minute stats.

Today Show
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/f0/8b/f08bf97c-2ceb-484c-804b-9b412878db30.jpg?n=mod2-today-show-455x256.jpg)

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NBC News’ TODAY, America’s number one morning news program, provides the latest news, entertainment and lifestyle stories.

HBO GO
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/35/98/35987d12-8af4-4a96-852c-ab68c97ff736.jpg?n=mod2-HBOGO_455x256.jpg)

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With Xbox SmartGlass get rich, immersive details on selections from over 1,400 of your favorite HBO® shows, including HBO original series, hit movies, sports, comedy and more with HBO GO®.

Univision
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/5c/4b/5c4b6364-463b-4a5a-8dc6-ed7a0c0b7607.jpg?n=mod2-Univision_455x256.jpg)

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The UVideos SmartGlass social experience will allow users to sync with their favorite shows to discover exclusive content, join spoiler-free Social TV conversations about Univision programs with other fans and Hispanic America’s biggest stars, and share videos via Facebook and Twitter.

Halo Waypoint
(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/2b/1b/2b1bb925-80ad-4d40-ae36-af90a28be2ea.jpg?n=mod2-halo_455x256.jpg)

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Stats is the perfect complement to your Halo 4 experience with new features that track your entire Halo 4 Career, connect you with friends and keep you current on all the latest Halo 4 news.
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Post by: Kairon on October 24, 2012, 12:31:40 PM
Whenever I get tempted to buy non-Nintendo hardware, it's always because of Karaoke.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 24, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
wow on the smartglass stuff
definitely competes directly with WiiU, arguably does TVii better
Nintendo's advantage (if you choose to charcterize it that way, as I do) is that the system is holistic: the Nintendo version of Smartglass is part of the Wii U system. Also, Nintendo has its own tricks like MiiVerse and its own Nintendo developed game titles.
 
But still, If I am an X-Box user, I really have next to no reason to swith to Wii U at this point.
 
Microsoft is definitely throwing its muscle around here. Nintendo will own Japan; North America, maybe not so much.
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Post by: Stogi on October 24, 2012, 03:22:55 PM
The problem with smart glass is that you can't use it to play Halo 4. You still have to use a regular controller because of the lack of buttons, joysticks and most importantly, latency issues. It's neat that you can track things you would normally have to pause and see, but this does not compete with Nintendo (at least not yet).
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Post by: MagicCow64 on October 24, 2012, 05:37:43 PM
The problem with smart glass is that you can't use it to play Halo 4. You still have to use a regular controller because of the lack of buttons, joysticks and most importantly, latency issues. It's neat that you can track things you would normally have to pause and see, but this does not compete with Nintendo (at least not yet).

Yeah this strikes me as similar to the 3D TV at home problem. People don't actually want to wear the glasses. With smartglass, it sounds cool in the same way as the Wii U, but you'd have to have a tablet on your lap or whatever and constantly take your hands off the regular control to interact with the tablet screen. Another similar distinction I think is the 3DS, which is basically the only palatable 3D consumer product out there because you don't have to take the extra step to wear glasses.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 24, 2012, 06:10:21 PM
stogi and magiccow, good points. The Wii U gamepad is a controller as well as the screen. Hadn't thought about that.
 
I was thinking more about smartglass seeming to take a bit of the wind out of the TVii sail.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 24, 2012, 08:22:32 PM
Well I would say as far as the non gaming stuff Smartglass is on par with the Wii U. As far as games go microsoft has smartly not tried to make smartglass a main control method rather then a optional companion device.

I was talking to a friend who used smartglass on an asus vivo tab he got early (he works at staples). He used it while playing Forza Horizon and the smartglass app becomes a GPS system for the game.

(http://www.forzamotorsport.fr/images/forza-horizon-new-map-september.jpg)

The map is touch enabled and shows where you are is touch wnabled to select events or set GPS points. It also shows in real time you as well as where other players are at on the same, so your constantly seeing a few blimps going across the screen. He never goes into the map menu while playing the game anymore. It seems like it would be pretty useful when playing multiplayer when doing the free roam races. Instead of making a blind jump you can just glance to side to see good routes to take.

On the Halo front it will probably be similar to the Halo Waypont application on phones and tablets now. Its prett much a Halo Hub that aggerates all your Halo stats and has new and videos (its pretty much like COD Eltie for halo). It also lets you see an overview of the game map while playing and lets you see where every one is at (red and blue blips on the map) as well as weapon drops. It really jsn't that great for straight deathmatch games but I've found it useful for objective game types like CTF or Invasion.

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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 24, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
You know, I'm really liking the direction Microsoft is going with their gaming and computer products (aside from Kinect, which I still think is a laggy piece of ****).


This SmartGlass thing is very intriguing, even though it appears to be a direct copy of the Wii U. Either way, the more innovative tech gets out there, the better!


So do you guys think Microsoft will integrate Kinect and SmartGlass together in some way?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 24, 2012, 09:34:41 PM
That map made me realize...why hasn't somebody used GPS technology and Google Maps or some Maps app...to make a racing game that uses real roads and such? 
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 24, 2012, 09:41:34 PM
That's actually a good idea.

So is Forza Horizon a simulator in the vein of Gran Turismo and the older Forza games? Or is it more arcadey like Burnout, Midnight Club, or Need for Speed?

I wonder if Forza will now branch out in two directions, with the main series remaining a racing sim with individual racetracks, and Horizon being it's own open-world spinoff series?

I'd love to see more open-world racers (Gran Turismo!), but only a few pulled it off well: Midnight Club, Burnout Paradise, and (supposedly) now Forza Horizon.
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Post by: Enner on October 24, 2012, 10:26:26 PM
So is Forza Horizon a simulator in the vein of Gran Turismo and the older Forza games? Or is it more arcadey like Burnout, Midnight Club, or Need for Speed?

It's more arcadey. Not totally arcadey like Burnout Paradise, but certainly more so than Forza Motorsport.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 24, 2012, 10:31:15 PM
I've always wanted a game like Forza or Gran Turismo on a Nintendo platform. Especially now, as I think the GamePad could have a lot of neat applications for one.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 25, 2012, 12:37:42 AM
The best way. To describe forza horizonis to call ita project gotham racing game.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 25, 2012, 12:42:23 AM
Yay! I love arcade racers like Burnout and PGR. Hopefully Need for Speed: Most Wanted (the Criterion reboot) brings back that Burnout Paradise feel.


I still think it would be a good idea for EA to merge Burnout and Need for Speed into one game. No need to have Criterion make two distinct racers when they are so similar in design. Need for Speed: With Insane Crashes is pretty much what I'm getting at.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2012, 01:49:30 AM
I think I really want to see crazy arcade open world racing game. 

I think it would be nice to have a racing game, focused on getting from point A to point B as fast as you can...and not about laps or anything. 

The skill comes from 2 things.  Driving well, and mapping out your path well.  Mapping out the path can be done one of two ways... first by actually using a Map (for Wii U on the screen...and taking to time to look and Map out a route to take...Or you can try your luck at racing without a route and reading the map on the fly.

This could be a fun game like Crazy Taxi...and you have a large city and you must really know how to go.  Add in real time traffic that changes and you have a compelling game.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 25, 2012, 08:31:28 AM
This year's Need For Speed game looks like it's that. Made by the guys who did Burnout Paradise, and it looks like it borrows a lot of elements from that game, including the open world. 
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Post by: Ceric on October 25, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
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So do you guys think Microsoft will integrate Kinect and SmartGlass together in some way?
Yes, they've shown that off since before it was called SmartGlass and was going to be anything other then a Kinect Game Addition.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 25, 2012, 01:12:57 PM
I've always wanted a game like Forza or Gran Turismo on a Nintendo platform. Especially now, as I think the GamePad could have a lot of neat applications for one.
Isn't Project Cars that game? I assume it is still a thing.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 25, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
I've always wanted a game like Forza or Gran Turismo on a Nintendo platform. Especially now, as I think the GamePad could have a lot of neat applications for one.
Isn't Project Cars that game? I assume it is still a thing.

It may be, but I don't think they've gone too much in depth into what kind of modes and features it's going to have beyond just the racing.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 27, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
I've always wanted a game like Forza or Gran Turismo on a Nintendo platform. Especially now, as I think the GamePad could have a lot of neat applications for one.
Isn't Project Cars that game? I assume it is still a thing.

It may be, but I don't think they've gone too much in depth into what kind of modes and features it's going to have beyond just the racing.


But the graphics and realism more than make up for the amount of modes it may or may not have. Forza is awesome too. I can't believe there are now 5 Forza games in 10 years, when it took Sony twice that long to make 5 GT games (not counting the PSP version). Why did GT5 take so long to make again?
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Post by: Enner on October 27, 2012, 10:45:27 PM
Why did GT5 take so long to make again?

I chalk that up to Polyphony Digital's search for perfection. Though that didn't help Gran Turismo 5 from getting a mixed reception.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 27, 2012, 10:52:10 PM
But if Microsoft and Turn 10 Studios can churn out 5 Forza games (6 if you count Horizon) in less than that time, then surely Polyphony can speed up their development as well? It really shouldn't take a team of hundreds 4 years to make a driving game, especially since GT5 Prologue was released on disc 2 full years before the final version of the game. They didn't need to release an incomplete game (GT5 Prologue) on disc when we have downloadable demos for that.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 06, 2012, 10:47:29 AM
So microsoft is reportedly working on a surface branded phone next year. Its supposed to be the equilvent of what the nexus line is too android, and what the surface tablet is too windows 8.

 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204712904578093680117917590.html

Now its reported that microsoft is also testing a xbox surface 7 inch tablet.

Its supposed to be a 7inch tablet that's supposed to have a focus on gaming and media and running a version of the windows RT tablet.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608432/xbox-surface-xbox-tablet-7-inch



 (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1191927/xboxsurface.jpg)

This was also rumored around back with this somwhat dubious spec sheet.
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Post by: Ceric on November 06, 2012, 12:25:10 PM
I didn't know 22.2 Surround sound was a thing but I guess it is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22.2)  Though why would you use 800mhz memory if your putting 12 cores worth of processor in there and a 10k Disk Drive?  Seems like you opt to just go ahead with the faster memory.
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Post by: Stogi on November 06, 2012, 03:57:31 PM
I think I really want to see crazy arcade open world racing game. 

I think it would be nice to have a racing game, focused on getting from point A to point B as fast as you can...and not about laps or anything. 

The skill comes from 2 things.  Driving well, and mapping out your path well.  Mapping out the path can be done one of two ways... first by actually using a Map (for Wii U on the screen...and taking to time to look and Map out a route to take...Or you can try your luck at racing without a route and reading the map on the fly.

This could be a fun game like Crazy Taxi...and you have a large city and you must really know how to go.  Add in real time traffic that changes and you have a compelling game.

That's what this is:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m24BQwYLcng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m24BQwYLcng)[/youtube]

As you can see in the video, they even have a mode where you have to a hit a checkpoint to know where you are going next. I think that makes it even more intense.

I wonder when it comes out because it is looking like the Game of the Year for me.

EDIT: It's already out? Time to go get it.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 06, 2012, 08:08:57 PM
So microsoft is reportedly working on a surface branded phone next year. Its supposed to be the equilvent of what the nexus line is too android, and what the surface tablet is too windows 8.

 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204712904578093680117917590.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204712904578093680117917590.html)

Now its reported that microsoft is also testing a xbox surface 7 inch tablet.

Its supposed to be a 7inch tablet that's supposed to have a focus on gaming and media and running a version of the windows RT tablet.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608432/xbox-surface-xbox-tablet-7-inch (http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608432/xbox-surface-xbox-tablet-7-inch)



 (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1191927/xboxsurface.jpg)

This was also rumored around back with this somwhat dubious spec sheet.


Yeah that Xbox handheld/tablet hybrid is going to be insanely expensive (think iPad pricing). It's about time Microsoft made a mobile Xbox device. People have been predicting this ever since the original Xbox launched in 2001.


EDIT: On second glance, this looks more like Microsoft's version of the Wii U. It states "tablet computing device", and "stationary computing device". I'm guessing it will be a mini-console with a tablet as the primary controller (sort of like an Apple TV and Wii U put together).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 06, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
I've said this time and time again, Microsoft really needs to beef up their 1st-party portfolio. They did rather well during the early years of the Xbox brand, with games like Conker Live and Reloaded, Jade Empire, Geometry Wars, Hexic HD, Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts, Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, Gears of War [as publisher], etc.

But ever since they released the Kinect, Microsoft seems to have completely switched focus. The Xbox has become an all-in-one entertainment/media hub, with Kinect being the center of it all. This has (inadvertently?) resulted in a lapse of 1st-party gaming content.

I guess in a sense, Microsoft is the new Nintendo. They went from fully supporting the dedicated gamer, to releasing a camera peripheral to cash in on the Wii's motion controller success. The problem is, no one expected (or asked) Microsoft to do this. Kinect is a laggy, unresponsive technology that makes the Wii Remote look like a godsend in comparison. No amount of bodily flailing or pantomiming will improve the gaming experience if the hardware can't keep up with your movements.

Microsoft now has only 4 main franchises to rely on: Halo, Forza, Gears, and Kinect Sports (I know Gears of War is an Epic Games IP, but Microsoft publishes it). Where's the diversity? They can't compete with Sony on the 1st-party front, because they aren't showing the effort to match Sony's output.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 07, 2012, 12:43:10 AM
After the financial success of the Wii who could blame Microsoft for chasing the casual market. The Xbox doesn't just sell games now, its now a platform for Microsoft to sell us ads, movies and music. It also allows them to push Zune and Bing. Its also a tool used to garner marketing information to target specific ads.

By going after the casual market they can establish a such larger install base that will allow them to make all the more money from their various other services.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 07, 2012, 08:38:54 AM
To be honest does sony having a bigger first party line up really means any thing when the majority of its releases are bombas.

That and I don't think microsoft is going to need to worry about new IP with all its new studios.

Also there was some want for kinect seeing as it was a commerical success. I mean it had its problems but you have to realize that it was a gen 1 product that was further gimped to get it for commerical release. Also calling it laggy and unresponsive is a pretty general statment seeing there are tons of game play videos (giantbomb quicklooks) show the oppsite for a lot of games.

The Kinect fusion stuff is pretty cool.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf-9Sh47l5A&feature=youtube_gdata_player


But like Phish said Kinect was just an ends to a means. It was one of the first steps in getting xbox as a brand to mean more than games and to get non gamers into the ecosystem with entertaiment and casuel games.  Because going forrward unless your nintendo you won't be able to get buy with being just a games company and not having a somewhat mature ecosystem which makes me fear a bit for sony.

Also smartglass worked with yeserdays election hub where microsoft teamed with nbc to livestream the brain williams election coverage with an interactve portion. They also did the same thing for each of the debates as well as each parties convention.

 http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/10/2/3439482/future-of-polling-microsoft-election-2012-xbox-live-hub-interactive-tv

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqgDEUfQYhk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-TBTYWiV0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df06T0tZRP4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 



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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 07, 2012, 09:23:26 AM
Speaking of Kinect, have you seen this new patent regarding it?

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120278904%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120278904&RS=DN/20120278904
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The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.

So all you people that like to watch movies with friends or have large families may want to use something other than your Xbox720 w/ Kinect or hope the camera can be disabled.
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Post by: Louieturkey on November 07, 2012, 04:23:40 PM
Speaking of Kinect, have you seen this new patent regarding it?

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120278904%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120278904&RS=DN/20120278904
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The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.

So all you people that like to watch movies with friends or have large families may want to use something other than your Xbox720 w/ Kinect or hope the camera can be disabled.
MS is going the big brother route here it seems.  Hopefully they never actually implement this or there will be a huge backlash.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 07, 2012, 04:32:32 PM
Who knows. Their next version of Kinect may be very accurate, it may even have a chip that translates movement within the unit itself instead of off-loading it to the CPU.

I don't envy the guys that have to do the programming for this. To differentiate between a badly dressed authentic user and 2 kids in an overcoat with a life sized picture of your face.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 07, 2012, 11:12:11 PM
Kinect has potential, but without any form of tangible control, it's basically like miming. There's nothing to hold in your hands, no buttons to press, no screen to tap (though SmartGlass changes that).

PS Move had potential too, but Sony essentially gave up on that tech before it had a chance to mature. The Move works really well for shooters, dancing games, and arcadey sports games, but it hasn't gotten much use in other genres. I'm actually glad Nintendo is keeping the Wii Remote around for Wii U games, because aiming with the pointer [in shooters] was so fluid and precise.


Now I'm hoping for a Metroid Prime Trilogy HD. But I know it will never happen... (Then again, we said the same thing about reviving the Donkey Kong Country franchise, and look what Retro Studios gave us)

In a way, it seems Microsoft is being more forward-thinking here. They are really pushing for complete integration with all their products. From the unified "Metro" interface on Windows Phone and Windows 8, to Kinect functionality built into the Xbox 360 OS, to making SmartGlass a second window to your media/game content. Microsoft is really going all out this time.

Hopefully it all works out for them. I guess they were inspired by Apple's ecosystem of software/hardware integration, because it's obviously working for Apple.
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Post by: Ceric on November 08, 2012, 10:00:35 AM
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I don't envy the guys that have to do the programming for this. To differentiate between a badly dressed authentic user and 2 kids in an overcoat with a life sized picture of your face.
I can't find it but I know Kinect has a depth camera that paints people by the distance they are away and I thought it also has a heat sensor in it as well so it can differentiate a person from a mannequin.
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Post by: Do_What on November 12, 2012, 08:12:32 AM
I've heard rumors that Microsoft is building up a bunch of first party studios again. A lot of talent that leaks from bigger developers and lots of people that have been laid off in the past are winding up working at Microsoft it seems. But those are just rumors.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 12, 2012, 10:23:33 AM
Yep microsoft has quite a few studios now.

There are more than this But I picked the ones that are mostly development studios for games.

America
343 Industries. (Halo series)
Skybox Sports
Good Science Studios (Kinect adventures, kinect fun labs)
Microsft Studios mobile Gaming (illomilo windows phone)
Turn 10 Studios (Forza Series)
Twisted Pixel (the gunstriger, splosion man, lococycle)
Xbox live productions (south park xbla games)

Europe
Lionhead (Fable series as well as unannouced next gen game)
Microsoft studios London (new studio that's working on windows 8/windows phone 8 games)
Rare LTD (viva pinata, kameo, banjo, perfect dark, also rumored to be working on two next gen games.)
Soho Productions (seasme Street TV)
Press Play (max and the magic marker, tentacles)

Canada
Microsoft Studios Vancover (rumored to be a sci-fi horror game headed up by the crysis 2 dirctor, was also working on microsoft flight and a kinect project which both have been cancelled to put more resources into the next gen horror game)
Microsoft Studios Victoria ( headed by Christopher Robertson)
BigPark (Joyride series,kinect sports season 2)

that and the combat designer director and A.I lead from Irattional games (bioshock and bioshock infinte) joined an unknown microsoft studio along with a level designer from Naughty Dog.

Then there are also a few non first party projects that microsoft has in the works like

Ryse by Crytek has been rumored since september of last year to be moved to next gen which is why it wasn't show at this year's e3.

Alan Wake 2 has been hinted and teased by Remedy for a while now. 

But I think were going to see the first glimpse at the next xbox and maybe some games next motnh at the Spike VGAs. 

There are usually 7-10 trailers coming out of the VGAs. We already know at least one of them is going to be the next last of us trailer. The majority of the games are coming next year are hitting in the Q1 and Q2 part of the calander year so far. Nothing after that has been announced which is odd as most games announced during E3 and for the holiday season.

Taking into account that Nintendo doesn't particpate in these things it makes sense that a few of the games announced will be next gen products. A Grand Theft Auto 5 trailer is out of the picture with one coming this week.

After that I'm guessing more leaks and teases into we get some more at GDC, and then. Microsoft is going to host an event the last week of may, with E3 being about the games.




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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 12, 2012, 12:11:56 PM
I'm guessing a majority of Microsoft's new 1st-party developers are in-house (like Nintendo), while most of Sony's studios are external companies that were bought by the company. Is that right?
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Post by: Louieturkey on November 13, 2012, 04:41:51 PM
Who knows. Their next version of Kinect may be very accurate, it may even have a chip that translates movement within the unit itself instead of off-loading it to the CPU.

I don't envy the guys that have to do the programming for this. To differentiate between a badly dressed authentic user and 2 kids in an overcoat with a life sized picture of your face.
MS essentially did with the Kinect what Nintendo was originally planning for the wiimote.  It was originally going to be an add on for the GC.  Because of a lag issue, they scrapped that idea and made a slightly stronger system that could handle the wiimote and GC level games at the same time with no lag.  Kinect has lag problems and a few other problems that a bit more power could possibly solve.  I have a feeling the 360's successor will be similar to the Wii U in terms of power but slightly more due to the extra year of development it'll have.  The Wii U can run the gamepad and wiimotes together with no problem and the games look better than 360 games.  The 720 will be able to run the Kinect 2.0 and smart glass with no problem and have games that look only slightly better than Wii U games.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 14, 2012, 10:15:33 AM
TheVerge is doing a series of articles about the battle for your television that's heating up. The first article was about the xbox 360.  Kind of sucks they didn't wait a few more weeks to test out the Tvii stuff as well.

 http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/11/13/3633038/microsoft-xbox-360-trojan-horse-living-room

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Microsoft may be the tech industry’s most dramatic story of 2012. The company has been in a constant state of flux / transition / reinvention /evolution (the proper descriptor depends on whom you ask) and all the fruits of all its labors seemed to have been realized within the span of about two weeks starting late October: an overhauled Windows with a heavy focus on touch-friendly interaction. A first-party flagship tablet (Surface). The departure of the man most responsible for these two projects. A rebooted Windows Phone platform with a trio of major OEMs. A music subscription service poised to take on both Spotify and iTunes. A brand new Halo title spearheaded by a newly-minted, in-house developer.

Yet for all its change this year, there has been one constant: the Xbox 360. Microsoft’s set-top box (née gaming console) launched in 2005 and has served as an anchor for the company’s "big screen" plans ever since. Microsoft has been evolving the "Xbox" brand from something focused on gaming to all entertainment and media content. For many, the console was their first foray into Netflix on TV, and the company has gradually made it a centerpiece of the Microsoft universe.

The one thing I'm confused about is the espn app. I've heard other people claim you need a cable sub to use but all I have is the Uverse internet and it still let's me use it for free.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 14, 2012, 01:20:12 PM
TVii is Nintendo's free service that doesn't require a paid subscription and does not sell any content provided by Nintendo.

Whereas Microsoft is the exact opposite, its a paid subscription service, where Microsoft also provides content and thus is a competitor to the other service providers on the system. In the UK there is a service called Sky that provides satellite TV, their content is available on 360 too, but you need to be on Xbox Live Gold and you need a subscription to Sky. It makes sense you still need to pay Sky for its content but I can't see why you have to be on Gold to access it. Surely the bandwidth is coming from Sky.

I can't see the next Xbox dominating the living room unless it has an easier to use Kinect and Xbox Live Gold as a free service. It may likely end up as a service that core gamers use as an added convenience.

Microsoft's approach is a mixed bag. Its like they are trying to draw in many different groups of people but is flawed in the execution. Run after 2 hares and you'll catch neither comes to mind.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 14, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
Well it is working already. Its been said by microsoft a few times now that more people are using the xbox for entertaiment than services.

I do agree that microsoft has to something about xbox live Gold going into next gen. I'm guessing that for the 720 all of the entertaiment stuff is going to be free to use while their is still a barrier for online gaming under gold.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 14, 2012, 04:50:03 PM
Microsoft's not going to stop charging for Xbox Live Gold until charging for it costs them more than it makes them. If Sony or Nintendo take a real chunk out of their online market they'll be forced to reconsider it; if Xbox Live is still the most popular console online service they're going to keep charging for it.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 14, 2012, 10:32:04 PM
I really really hope Sony develops their own version of SmartGlass for the PS3. It would make typing messages so much easier than using the clunky "controller and software keyboard" combo. Microsoft is really onto something with their integration of tablets with game consoles.

And no, the "PS3 and Vita" combo doesn't count. Microsoft did things the smart way by making SmartGlass an app for any tablet and smartphone.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 14, 2012, 10:45:34 PM
I think they will wait to see if anybody even cares about SmartGlass, I personally thing it will be niche at best.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 14, 2012, 10:53:01 PM
They are already testing the functionality with the Vita, but it's a more costly endeavor than making a simple mobile app. Making a mobile app is a more practical, and low-risk solution.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 14, 2012, 10:55:01 PM
They have it as a feature of the PS Vita, but they didn't make it for that purpose. There doesn't seem to be much interest in general in SmartGlass among people who aren't technophiles.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 14, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
But it's basically the same tech as the Wii U, except the SmartGlass app can be used on any tablet and smartphone. It may be niche, simply because it's not an essential part of the Xbox "ecosystem", but it is a nice feature to have.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 15, 2012, 12:06:49 AM
The only reason SmartGlass is appealing is that for whatever reason Microsoft gave the 360 an interface designed for a touch screen. The XMB, while not exactly pretty, is a lot easier and quicker to navigate with the standard controller.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 17, 2012, 10:01:15 AM
So the Penultimate issue of xbox world magazine is all about the next-gen xbox. Its an 8 page article of mostly old news and some speculation. Don't have the article but a summary on neoowin had these bulletpoints.

Next xbox code named durango
-uses Blu-ray discs
-introduces second generation kinect
-directional audio
-TV inputs as well as outputs
-It will just be called Xbox.
-hardware dev kits come with four core chipset (16 logical cores)
-8GBs of Ram (probably 4GB for the retail release)
-Unless something changes expect a reveal long before E3 2013.
-augmented reality glasses similar to google glass to be introduced later in the consoles life.

Xbox world also made a mockup of the console which looks like an apple TV on steroids.

(http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Xbox-720-Mockup.jpg)

Not sure if they would use Vapor mg on the console. While I would love as it would mean a non plastic console but I'm not sure how much more that would add to the price of the console.  Though I could be wrong since Vapor Mg is rumored to be used in microsofts surface branded phone.

The notice of a microsoft branded drive is something I'm not to hot on myself.


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Post by: Ceric on November 17, 2012, 10:22:43 AM
On the Vapor mag the Surface phone will sell for vastly more then a console would, talking "$700" vs People bitch'n at $350, and would be smaller than even the surface so the would be practical.  For a console that will just sit I don't think it be called for for the price.

That mockup looks nice but way to generic to be it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 17, 2012, 11:19:15 AM
Yeah the price using Vapor mg in the console would be a disadvantge. But I would love to have a non plastic console for once. Honestly I just want the console to be well designed similar to the wii or Xbox Slim.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 19, 2012, 06:05:46 PM
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The KARAOKE Channel, a property of Stingray Music USA Inc., an affiliate of the innovative Montreal-based provider of multi-platform music services Stingray Digital Group Inc., today announced their collaboration on “Karaoke” for Xbox 360, an exciting new entertainment service that will be available for download through Xbox LIVE in time for the holidays.

“As the owner of the world’s largest licensed karaoke library and karaoke service on TV and Internet, the KARAOKE Channel will combine its expertise with the advanced capabilities of the Xbox 360 platform from Microsoft to develop the best in-home karaoke experience ever,” says Eric Boyko, President and CEO of Stingray Digital Group Inc. “Now anyone can access our vast library and sing in a fun and interactive way right from their Xbox.”

“Karaoke” for Xbox 360 is simply fun

“Karaoke” for Xbox 360 is easy to launch and makes it easy to sing. Karaoke fans will sing along to scrolling lyrics on screen while their avatar performs the song on stage with a full complement of stage props, backup band and an adoring audience. The more songs are sung and poses struck, the more moola, props, fans and fun are earned as achievements are awarded.
 Songs don’t require downloading; they play immediately via streaming for a robust karaoke experience. To keep the party going, songs can be queued via the top navigation through search, browse or SmartGlass integration, which connects a tablet or mobile device to the Xbox 360 console. Songs can be added to Favorites so they’re super-easy to find, or can be found through the History list to sing them over and over again. Other options include key change and a lead vocal track to help sing less familiar songs. To access all of the features, an Xbox 360 Headset, Xbox Wireless Microphone or an Xbox 360 compatible USB microphone is required.

Available on Xbox LIVE in time for the holidays, “Karaoke” for Xbox 360 will have a selection of free sample songs that will change frequently. Full access to the entire library is available for blocks of 2, 6 or 24 hours by redeeming Microsoft Points. Songs are added to the library on a regular basis as they are produced and licensed, giving everyone a great reason to launch The KARAOKE Channel on Xbox LIVE to discover new songs to sing.

Looks similar to the joysound stuff the wii u is doing in japan.  Makes me wonder why nintendo opted for sing party instead of something similar to this.

Also ESPN for xbox has expaneded
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Today, ESPN on Xbox reloaded with a significant update. The app now includes ALL of ESPN’s live network programming through WatchESPN including ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ESPNU, Buzzer Beater and Goal Line. Xbox LIVE Gold subscribers can watch all their favorite sports and shows live, including SportsCenter, SportsNation and the Mike and Mike Show, as well as ESPN’s coverage of the NFL, including Monday Night Football, MLB and the NBA.

ESPN on Xbox, now powered by WatchESPN, offers the following features:

My Sports. ESPN on Xbox allows you to choose your favorite sports and teams and designate these channels as “My Sports,” so you can jump directly into the games and content you care most about. ESPN on Xbox will automatically provide you with a personalized daily feed of live events, news and highlights based on “My Sports,” catching you up on only the teams and sports you care most about. Mini Guide. The mini-guide gives you a preview and quick access to all the sports content you care about right at the bottom of the screen. This fall it is all about football, and now the best fans don’t have to miss anything. Is another game tied up late in the fourth quarter? Instantly switch to that game. Halftime? Play the earlier highlights. Split Screen. Because true sports fans want to watch more than one game at a time, ESPN on Xbox has a split screen, allowing you to watch two events at once. Watch live events on both screens or a live event on one while you catch up on news and highlights on the other. You can even control both screens independently, pausing and rewinding each separately so you never miss a second of the action. Gesture Control and Voice Control with Kinect for Xbox 360. Focus on your team instead of looking for the remote. Navigate through the content guide, skip to the next highlight, or play, pause, and rewind that big play… all with the wave of your hand or the sound of your voice. Reminders. Too many big games to keep track of in your head? Not to worry – ESPN on Xbox now lets you tag games and set reminders so you never miss a moment. Interactive ESPN BottomLine. The ESPN BottomLine keeps you in the know with breaking news and score updates from around the world of sports. Xbox has added interactive functionality that raises the bar for fans everywhere, with live alerts and the capability to jump to different sports or skip to the next story.

Also, beginning in December, Xbox SmartGlass experiences for ESPN, NBA and SportsPicks will be available on the platform. I’ll share details once I have them.



I'm alittle miffed that to use most of the functions you have to be a cable/internet suscriber. Att which does my internet isn't on the list which sucks, gladly most of what I use the espn3 content to watch soccer is still free to use which is good by me. I've heard that those with just internet have stilll been able to get into espn which would help with freeing up the cord.

Microsoft is really making their console the best and well rounded out of the three.  I could easily see them partnering up with content providers and skipping the cable companies to intergrate it into xbox live.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 19, 2012, 10:26:01 PM
Well, WatchESPN the mobile app requires a cable subscription, so this makes sense. It's nice to have that option on the Xbox, but I can't really see myself watching regular ESPN unless my cable box is acting up which it is wont to do. Nice add especially for people who can borrow others accounts or want to watch Monday Night Football in HD while in a dorm setting or something.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 20, 2012, 06:06:10 PM
I'm going to make a prediction: If the Next Xbox gets released in holiday 2013, Xbox 360 will still get a large amount of software support throught holiday 2014.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 20, 2012, 09:21:45 PM
Shyguy:  I disagree...it doesn't really do Microsoft any good to waste resources making new games...unless MS tries to do something where they downscale/upscale games for a year.  Like you can buy this game on the new Xbox and it looks like this...or on the Xbox 360. 

Still, I feel Microsoft wouldn't do that either.  I do feel that the new system will be out holiday of next year though. 
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 20, 2012, 11:44:41 PM
Probably from third parties and Microsoft downloadable first party content. As far as retail I can see Microsoft going straight to 720 instead.
But there there are going to be quite a few games that will probably be cross platform?
Rainbow six the patriots
Project Destiny
brothers in arms furious 4
Watchdogs
Star Wars 1313
Also a few screens from the leaked  document from a while back
(http://i.imgur.com/VOmLA.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8oRRPTzFcHc/T9vs2MsRSeI/AAAAAAAAASI/ONgENZ3ZV_s/s1600/Picture6.jpg)
(http://cdn.arstechnica.net//wp-content/uploads/2012/06/xbox720specs.png)
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17qgvrvu9gu65png/xlarge.png)
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17pzjvv92vav2png/xlarge.png)
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17pzjelq6p6o8png/original.png)
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17pzjebv7u3dtpng/original.png)
 
343 industries is also hiring for someone to work on MMO elements
http://www.gamespot.com/news/halo-team-seeking-devs-with-mmo-experience-6400414 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/halo-team-seeking-devs-with-mmo-experience-6400414)
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Microsoft has put out a call for staffers with massively multiplayer online game development experience to join 343 Industries to work on future Halo projects. Two job listings at 343 Industries were posted yesterday, both for software development engineers who will work on "building the next generation of backend services to power Halo 4 and our new game saga."

 These job listings follow additional requisitions posted last week that indicated 343 Industries was staffing up for mystery "incubation projects." A Microsoft representative was not immediately available for comment.

 If Microsoft is building a Halo MMO, it will not be the first time the company has done so. The Microsoft-owned (and now defunct) Ensemble Studios spent three years on a Halo MMORPG codenamed Titan that reportedly held a $90 million budget before it was canceled in 2007.
Also I was poking around the Microsoft Career's site around the xbox section I found a few things.
 
Rare is now developing Windows Phone/Windows 8 games as well s consoles games. There are a few job postings for 2D UI artist  and 3D artist for Windows 8 and windows phone 8 development. Also they are hiring for a gameplay lead, gameplay engineer, audio engineer, and a few producer and manger postions for a console game among other things.
The Kinect Sports team just launched Kinect sports gems today which are very small downloadable xbla Kinect games. There's a good chance that this smaller team is being transferred to work on Kinect and Windows 8/phone content (as well as avatars). While the rest of team are transferred to the next gen products that were shown hinted at a while back.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/357683/rare-working-on-next-gen-free-to-play/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/357683/rare-working-on-next-gen-free-to-play/)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/348065/rare-working-on-multiple-xbox-720-games-possibly-including-an-fps/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/348065/rare-working-on-multiple-xbox-720-games-possibly-including-an-fps/)
 
Lines up pretty well with what I said above one team working on free to play windows 8/phone games (one of microsofts new windows 8 games is free to play and the new London studio is also deving this game), another working on probably Kinect Sports 3, and a third and possibly fourth working on more kameo/Banjo/perfect dark style stuff.  (some new IP and maybe a comeback to Jet force)
 Good Science studios seems to be turned into a backend studio for the rest of Microsoft's services.  They did Kinect Adventures so I assumed they would be deving on Kinect but with BigPark co-developing Kinect stuff with rare (they did a lot of heavy lifting on Kinect sports 2 as well as the Joyride kart games)
Microsoft also has a new studio on the bracket called Microsoft core publishing which seems to based in Redmond and sole purpose is too work with external developers on core titles. Goes in line with a linkedn post saying Microsoft had put a nice sum of money for getting third party exclusives for the next generation. (amond which are stuff like Alan Wake, Ryse, and gears of War)
 
Soho productions behind the interactive TV games looks to be starting work on their next project (aside from supporting content for current TV games) as they are staffing up on artist, research leads, and Television Producers (lol).
Microsoft Studios Vancouver seems t be getting pretty serious in development of their project which is rumored to be a sci-fi horror game that's supposed to be the launch title of the 720. The studios is headed by a former crytek guy and they are currently hiring for online engineers, as well a lot of cinematic, physics, Rendering guys, as well as some artist. game must be far along .
 
 Lionhead is looking for some basic positions of art director, programmers and tech directors.  the positions are too be a key contributor of an unannounced title. Its probably going to be the MMO like title that was rumored a while back.  iirc lionhead had some layoffs after Fable: the journey hit the market, with them probably working on this title for a while and these job postings I wouldn't be surprised if the layoffs were to get rid of guys who had that Molyneux mindset. Get more new guys in control of the studios instead of people who over hype ****
 
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/lionhead-developing-next-xbox-mmo/096144?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+mcvuk/stream+(MCV:+Home+Stream (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/lionhead-developing-next-xbox-mmo/096144?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+mcvuk/stream+(MCV:+Home+Stream))
343 also seems to be hiring for some environment and multiplayer guys. Probably for the next season of Spartan ops.
 
Turn 10 really isn't hiring expect two that went up today one of which wanting help in developing the next version of forza. Makes sense as they wouldn't be hiring as this doesn't seem to be the type of studio to do massive hiring especially when Playground games developers of Forza Horizon are probably going to be working on the title as well. (really surprised Microsoft hasn't brought playground games to COD its racing games)
 
Three of the studios  MS Victoria, Bigpark, and Skybox sports aren't hiring. Skybox I think makes all of the sports apps on xbox and doesn't do any game development. Victoria was just founded this year and its been said that the game will be in development for a few years and the staff is expected to hit 150 around this time. Studio seems to have former EA and nextgen games staff among other things. Bigpark shares the same building as Vancouver but while not hiring are working on another title.
 
alittle surpising is that Prees Play and Twisted Pixel while being Microsoft studios aren't on the page to view content.
(http://imgur.com/X0XOc)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 21, 2012, 05:41:52 AM
I would like to point out that developing games for Windows 8 has some restrictions concerning content:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh694083.aspx (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh694083.aspx)


Notable rules:

Now I don't think blood, gore and violence is an absolute must in games but it has its place and its uses. The real kicker is the rules concerning functionality:


3.8 Your app must meet the basic performance criteria on a low-power computer
3.6 Your app must use the mechanisms provided by the system for those features that have them
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Post by: oohhboy on November 21, 2012, 09:12:21 AM
So no real games then? It's pretty much the MS version of iOSing windows. Virtually all games that is not as sanitised as Tetris has some level of conflict that can be construed to break any of the 5.X rule set. Even Tetris has a "Bombliss" version.

What a joke on MS's part.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 21, 2012, 11:37:23 AM
Well Toy soldiers is in the windows store


http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-us/app/toy-soldiers-cold-war-touch/5c6a1046-5c2c-4824-89f7-bfcc3338afc3


as well as the Harvest and Blazblue among other games are slated for windows 8 releases. That and i'm pretty sure this rule isn't defiant because epic has shown interest in getting unreal onto the metro environment (think they may already have) and During the first build keynote microsoft showed off a windows store version of shadowgun.


also what's wrong with the rest of the rules. Its guidelines and certain things an app must be able to do to get into the store. It provides a robust and quality user experience across the board like ios and not a nasty wild west type of deal with horrible support like android.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 21, 2012, 12:16:56 PM
So no GTA in the Windows Store... Microsoft didn't have any of these restrictions with Xbox games. What happened to giving 3rd-party developers freedom to make the games they want?

It looks like I'll be sticking with Sony from now on.

Microsoft is the new Nintendo confirmed.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 21, 2012, 12:31:25 PM
So if Windows 8 games have all these restrictions, what are computer games going to be made for?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 21, 2012, 12:39:19 PM
So if Windows 8 games have all these restrictions, what are computer games going to be made for?

Microsoft doesn't need to be this controlling like Apple (and Nintendo of the 1980's and 1990's). They managed to win over 3rd-party developers with the Xbox 360, and now they'll piss them off with these Windows Store restrictions.

Let Apple be the controlling one. Microsoft should do their own thing.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 21, 2012, 12:54:20 PM
Modern PC games take up a lot of resources and they need to take up a sizable portion of the screen to be functional. Think back to all the high end PC games you've played, can you launch in 5 seconds and suspend in 2? Would it still be playable at a very narrow landscape resolution? Can it all be done on a low-powered computer?

Team Fortress 2, The Witcher 1 & 2, League of Legends. The list of all the games that just won't work with these rules is incredibly long. Its no wonder Gabe Newell called it a catastrophe and started working on linux. I can definitely see it stifling innovation.

This is all down to Apple envy. They saw the money Apple were making in the home computer and phone market using their own closed system and wanted to make their own.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 21, 2012, 01:04:04 PM
So if Windows 8 games have all these restrictions, what are computer games going to be made for?


The Xbox.


Also The Verge is reporting about an microsoft set top box releasing next year alongside of the 720.


http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/21/3674802/xbox-tv-set-top-box-casual-gaming-streaming-2013 (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/21/3674802/xbox-tv-set-top-box-casual-gaming-streaming-2013)


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Microsoft is building an Xbox set-top box. Multiple sources familiar with Redmond's plans have confirmed toThe Vergethat the company plans to introduce a low-cost alternative to its Xbox console, designed to provide access to core entertainment services. The move will allow Microsoft to further increase its presence in the living room, providing consumers with a choice between a set-top box or a full next-generation Xbox console.We're told that the set-top box is part of a two-SKU strategy for Microsoft's next-generation of Xbox hardware (http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/16/3090944/microsoft-xbox-720-kinect-2-kinect-glasses-doc-leak-rumor) that will be unveiled in 2013, with a release date ahead of the holiday shopping season. The device will run on the core components of Windows 8 and support casual gaming titles rather than full Xbox games typically found on a dedicated console. Although hardware specifications aren't fully locked down, we understand Microsoft will use a chipset to enable an "always on" device that boots quickly and resumes to provide near-instant access to TV and entertainment services.
Microsoft's Xbox set-top box work is said to be part of a broader effort to ensure its core architecture for the next-generation Xbox is scalable enough to be put together to runon a number of devices (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608432/xbox-surface-xbox-tablet-7-inch). We understand that the company could opt to combine its core system for the next Xbox with a phone stack to deliver a phone capable of running a full version of Microsoft's Xbox Live services. It has also investigated providing this functionality to TV OEMs, who could include the core services as part of a licensed Xbox television set.
I remember hearing speculation about this kind of model as defense against the Wii U. The break down would be similar tp this
Xbox Set top box
-All of the current video options of the 360 plus what ever new ones the next platform will have.
-Kinect support probably using kinect 1.0 from the xbox 360
-Supports IE, smartglass, and integration with the rest of the microsoft ecosystem.-Will be capable of playing XBLA games and maybe on demand 360 games.-will be priced from $99-$200 based on how much memory is there Durango (next Gen xbox)The Full Fledged xbox successor that most rumors have been about.Having a set top for around $99-$100 dollars allows Microsoft to more quickly phase out the current xbox 360 and that could threaten the Wii U. The Durango was always going to have the problem of most likely being more expensive than the Wii U and most people are comfortable with their 360s (on the casual side) this allows them to still put out a monster of the system that outclasses the Wii U on the games front while releasing a cheaper box that will still be better than the wii U on the media front. With this effective replacing the xbox 360 and if Microsoft is able to get a good adoption on the set top xbox (with a modest as expected one on the Durango) Microsoft could force developers to quit deving for the 360 instead focusing on the 720 for high end and the set top xbox on the mid range downloadable games. seeing as wii u will probably get the 360/ps# versions of games that will be cross generation with durango and Obris they could prematurly cut off a bit of nintendo"s third party support.
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Post by: oohhboy on November 21, 2012, 01:04:44 PM
Figured you would pull out Toy Soldiers. It is an amusing enough of a game, besides getting a really broken PC release that killed it. It was so broken sound didn't work right which meant the game ran at 10% speed and sounded like a crying baby seal getting club to death from the tail up with the fix being turning off DX sound. It didn't properly support the standard range of resolutions on the PC like 1920x1080, hell it didn't go higher than 8xx.

One of the upgrades to the flame thrower converts it to a chemical weapon, so yeah, it promotes human rights violations and war crimes on toys. They die awfully human looking though.

There are plenty of other ways you can interpret the rules so it would ban almost any game. The above is is just the first one that came to mind. Use your imagination and you can find quite a few more. You don't even have to be that creative about it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 21, 2012, 01:07:21 PM
Modern PC games take up a lot of resources and they need to take up a sizable portion of the screen to be functional. Think back to all the high end PC games you've played, can you launch in 5 seconds and suspend in 2? Would it still be playable at a very narrow landscape resolution? Can it all be done on a low-powered computer?

Team Fortress 2, The Witcher 1 & 2, League of Legends. The list of all the games that just won't work with these rules is incredibly long. Its no wonder Gabe Newell called it a catastrophe and started working on linux. I can definitely see it stifling innovation.

This is all down to Apple envy. They saw the money Apple were making in the home computer and phone market using their own closed system and wanted to make their own.


or give the consumers a nice unified experience since more people are likely to use windows store than say steam (the average user) and no one gives a flying **** about linux on a consumer level. Also while it is part apple evny, it should be noted that apple makes next to nothing on itunes , or the app store they just get people into using the ecosystem which is what microsoft currently wants and is doing a pretty good job of building.


So far they are walking a fine line between apple and android on how they do things.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 21, 2012, 01:09:36 PM
Figured you would pull out Toy Soldiers. It is an amusing enough of a game, besides getting a really broken PC release that killed it. It was so broken sound didn't work right which meant the game ran at 10% speed and sounded like a crying baby seal getting club to death from the tail up with the fix being turning off DX sound. It didn't properly support the standard range of resolutions on the PC like 1920x1080, hell it didn't go higher than 8xx.

One of the upgrades to the flame thrower converts it to a chemical weapon, so yeah, it promotes human rights violations and war crimes on toys. They die awfully human looking though.

There are plenty of other ways you can interpret the rules so it would ban almost any game. The above is is just the first one that came to mind. Use your imagination and you can find quite a few more. You don't even have to be that creative about it.


That's unfortunate I've only played the xbox versions and the windows 8 version of  cold war and never had any problems. Sucks when developers screw up ports of games.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 21, 2012, 03:06:44 PM
or give the consumers a nice unified experience since more people are likely to use windows store than say steam (the average user) and no one gives a flying **** about linux on a consumer level. Also while it is part apple evny, it should be noted that apple makes next to nothing on itunes , or the app store they just get people into using the ecosystem which is what microsoft currently wants and is doing a pretty good job of building.

So far they are walking a fine line between apple and android on how they do things.
Microsoft have been really good at unifying things with DirectX, before that getting PC games to work with your hardware setup wasn't an easy task for both consumer and developer. This time around I think they've tightened things too much.

With their app rules even Photoshop can't be certified. I doubt even Microsoft's own development software Visual Studio will work under those rules.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 21, 2012, 03:54:44 PM
To those comparing this to Apple, Microsoft is being far more restrictive in terms of content than Apple is on either the Mac or iOS App Stores. There are plenty of games on Apple's services that wouldn't pass those rules.
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Post by: Ceric on November 21, 2012, 03:55:38 PM
or give the consumers a nice unified experience since more people are likely to use windows store than say steam (the average user) and no one gives a flying **** about linux on a consumer level. Also while it is part apple evny, it should be noted that apple makes next to nothing on itunes , or the app store they just get people into using the ecosystem which is what microsoft currently wants and is doing a pretty good job of building.

So far they are walking a fine line between apple and android on how they do things.
Microsoft have been really good at unifying things with DirectX, before that getting PC games to work with your hardware setup wasn't an easy task for both consumer and developer. This time around I think they've tightened things too much.

I also agree that DirectX (in specific the Hardware portion of the standard) was a Great help to the PC gaming industry.  It could be such a pain back in the day.

With their app rules even Photoshop can't be certified. I doubt even Microsoft's own development software Visual Studio will work under those rules.
I think that's the point.  Apps are suppose to work in the pure Metro experience AKA the Phone Experience.  The heavy lifters are suppose to stay on the desktop side.  Not a good call but one MS seems to be making.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 21, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
The Verge have reported (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/21/3674802/xbox-tv-set-top-box-casual-gaming-streaming-2013) that Microsoft's new machine will come in 2 SKUs. One that's stripped down and its for TV viewing and casual games (probably drastically reduced specs) and the other would be for the core gaming crowd. Both will have a new Kinect. Due for Christmas 2013.

This would solve a lot of the problems I've been thinking about with their strategy this generation. Microsoft wants everyone to use their Kinect interface with TV and other services but not everyone wants to play AAA games on them and can't justify the cost of such an expensive box.

Having 2 significantly different SKUs would certainly help. However they still have the problem where they are competing with their partnered content providers and to even access them you need to be on XBL Gold.

I read some comments on a few sites and found it funny how people are saying only Sony can save the next generation now. They're going to be so disappointed when they see the hot/cold wands.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on November 21, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
This MicroSoft business only feeds the feeling that I have that the next gen is really going to go off the rails. How easy is it going to be to communicate to consumers that the set-top box has a Kinect 2.0 and plays some, but not all, Xbox video games? 

Combined with the generally lukewarm WiiU reception in the press (and pretty strong confirmation that it's going to be quite far behind the Orbis and Durango techwise), plus the sorry state of the Sony corporation, it's making me question if consoles need to exist. With all this convergence toward media capability (dependent upon third-party subscriptions) and cloud services, I'm thinking it would make more sense for something like the mythical Steambox to take precedence. Required minimum specs on any computer device that run whatever games are on the service. Nintendo and Sony would make their money on the software. MicroSoft would do whatever, maybe push Smartglass features. The WiiU Gamepad would be a competing peripheral. I guess I'm just not seeing what the advantages of proprietary consoles are in this day and age. I am not at all a PC gaming enthusiast, but this console arms race is getting Kafkaesque, or probably more accurately, Seussian.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 21, 2012, 08:35:13 PM
This MicroSoft business only feeds the feeling that I have that the next gen is really going to go off the rails. How easy is it going to be to communicate to consumers that the set-top box has a Kinect 2.0 and plays some, but not all, Xbox video games?
They will definitely have a challenge when it comes to consumer awareness. They can simply remove the disc drive on the basic model and include a hard drive so that you can only download specific games from the online store. I'm sure their commercials will be all razzle dazzle, showing how easy and fun it is to use this magical Kinect device.

They would have to give the 2 SKUs different names like Xbox TV and Xbox Ultimate. Games you would buy at retailers would be labelled as Xbox Ultimate so that consumers don't accidentally buy it for the Xbox TV.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2012, 11:07:51 PM
so it seems the rumors were true about the set-top & gamer sku's.
also about both coming with Kinect. If the Verge is to be believed.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 21, 2012, 11:35:00 PM
This MicroSoft business only feeds the feeling that I have that the next gen is really going to go off the rails. How easy is it going to be to communicate to consumers that the set-top box has a Kinect 2.0 and plays some, but not all, Xbox video games? 

Combined with the generally lukewarm WiiU reception in the press (and pretty strong confirmation that it's going to be quite far behind the Orbis and Durango techwise), plus the sorry state of the Sony corporation, it's making me question if consoles need to exist. With all this convergence toward media capability (dependent upon third-party subscriptions) and cloud services, I'm thinking it would make more sense for something like the mythical Steambox to take precedence. Required minimum specs on any computer device that run whatever games are on the service. Nintendo and Sony would make their money on the software. MicroSoft would do whatever, maybe push Smartglass features. The WiiU Gamepad would be a competing peripheral. I guess I'm just not seeing what the advantages of proprietary consoles are in this day and age. I am not at all a PC gaming enthusiast, but this console arms race is getting Kafkaesque, or probably more accurately, Seussian.


You do realize that the Xbox 360 and PS3 are essentially all-in-one media boxes now, right? Constant software updates and deals with media partners have led to this new era. The PS3 even has the advantage of Blu-ray, making it more up to date than the Xbox 360. There are no more "dedicated game systems" (that are only built for gaming), unless you count handhelds. Even the Wii U is becoming a streaming media box, with it's Nintendo TVii app.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on November 24, 2012, 01:42:51 PM
Yeah, I'm aware, and the news consoles are taking it even further. At this point it's more like a utility situation: how are consumers actually benefiting from the competition? It's converging toward different ways to deliver you the same water.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 24, 2012, 05:26:43 PM
The Verge have reported (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/21/3674802/xbox-tv-set-top-box-casual-gaming-streaming-2013) that Microsoft's new machine will come in 2 SKUs. One that's stripped down and its for TV viewing and casual games (probably drastically reduced specs) and the other would be for the core gaming crowd. Both will have a new Kinect. Due for Christmas 2013.

This would solve a lot of the problems I've been thinking about with their strategy this generation. Microsoft wants everyone to use their Kinect interface with TV and other services but not everyone wants to play AAA games on them and can't justify the cost of such an expensive box.

Having 2 significantly different SKUs would certainly help. However they still have the problem where they are competing with their partnered content providers and to even access them you need to be on XBL Gold.

I read some comments on a few sites and found it funny how people are saying only Sony can save the next generation now. They're going to be so disappointed when they see the hot/cold wands.

Joystiq reported on something similar a few months ago. They claimed the stripped down console would be a redesign of the current Xbox 360, not a next-gen machine.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 29, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
So Microsoft Vancouver is changing its name to Black Tusk Studios.

 http://www.blacktuskstudios.com/

(http://i5.minus.com/jqD1lJCTEVOSd.png)


(http://i4.minus.com/jbo6p7dcYiu32y.png)

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Black Tusk Studios is dedicated to creating immersive, AAA games that push the limits of Microsoft's entertainment platforms. Located in downtown Vancouver, Canada, we are part of the Microsoft Studios family, and weare growing. Do you have what it takes to keep pace with the best talent in the industry? Do you want to help define Microsoft'snext big entertainment franchise? Let's talk.

Black Tusk has assembled a team of seasoned game industry veterans who are united in their passion to create emotionally engaging AAA gaming experiences.

We hire the best talent from Vancouver and around the world, and our global recruiting effort is reflected in the diversity of cultures and backgrounds on our team.

Our people are talented, creative, fun-loving professionals with a desire to be part of something big. Something really big.

 http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/11/29/microsoft-opens-new-video-game-studio-in-vancouver/

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While console video game companies have been shutting their Vancouver studios, a handful of Microsoft game developers have been quietly building a presence in Yaletown.

Today they are taking the wraps off the venture, which started with five people and grew to 55 before getting the official go-ahead from Microsoft’s head office to launch as a separate game studio, Black Tusk.

“It is a good news story for us,” said studio manager Mike Crump. “We’re excited about the opportunities here, we think Vancouver has a bright future.”

The launch should also spell good news forjobseekers in Vancouver’s hard-hit console video gamesector. Thedivision’s website, blacktuskstudios.com, includes job listings for everyone from engineers to designers, and Black Tusk plans to double its numbers within a year.

“We are actively recruiting,” said Crump, who added the studio has outgrown its Cambie Street location and will be moving to take over two floors on Beatty Street, where Microsoft’s Big Park studio is located.

Black Tusk had its start when Crump and four others, all alumni of Electronic Arts, took over a floor at Microsoft’s Cambie Street location about a year ago and started planning for the studio, which will focus on the Xbox 360 video game console.

Studio staff have an average of 12 years experience in triple-A games, the industry’s equivalent of Hollywood summer blockbuster movies — “big games, big teams, big budgets, long timelines,” said Crump.

“What that means is we are working on Microsoft’s next big entertainment franchise,” he said. “We’re not working on an existing franchise, we’re looking to build the next Halo here in Vancouver, for example, which is really exciting. We are building something from the ground up.”

The launch comes only a few months after Microsoft halted development of two games — Microsoft Flight and Project Columbia, a move that came shortly after announcements by Rockstar Vancouver and Radical Entertainment that they were closing their Vancouver operations.

Crump said the Black Tusk group wanted to operate in stealth mode until it recruited enough talent to reach critical mass and got the go-ahead from Microsoft head office.

“We have been officially green-lit by Microsoft executives to go ahead with the project that we’re on,” he said.

“That’s the way game development works — it’s just like making a movie, you go through pitching and concepting and then at some point you have a very large meeting with the executive team and present your full pitch with the business plan and you get the green light, so that’s happened for us.”

Crump said Vancouver’s proximity to Microsoft’s Redmond, Washington, headquarters is a factor but it is not the only attraction.

“First and foremost is its heritage, there is a history of gaming in Vancouver that goes back decades and what that has left us with is a pool of talent that is really unparalleled, I think, most anywhere in the world,” said Crump.

“And the last piece of it is — the reason we really believe in Vancouver is it’s such a great place to live that when we are going out and we’re recruiting, whether it’s California or Frankfurt, it is never a tough sell to convince somebody to move to Vancouver.”

Named for the iconic pinnacle between Vancouver and Whistler that attracts hikers, the studio is opening at a time when several video game companies have headed east to take advantage of more favourable tax credits in Toronto.

While Crump said he can’t comment on what other companies in the sector are doing, he noted that Microsoft has all its Canadian gaming studios in B.C.

“Tax credits, for sure, are a challenge here in Vancouver,” said Crump. “But Microsoft’s commitment to Vancouver goes way beyond tax credits.

“Microsoft has opened two studios in the Vancouver/­ Victoria region this year and now there is investment in Black Tusk here in Vancouver, so there is a deep commitment to Vancouver and a belief in the potential of this region, what it can be in this space.”

So this is the dead space esque fps that was rumored when Microsoft studios Vancouver was first announced late last year.  Now I'm wondering if microsoft other new studios (Victoria,london) will get proper names.

The game is also rumored to be working on Unreal 4 for the development of the game.

This is probably the 2nd next gen game microsoft is working on. It was rumored a while back that Ryse the kinect game being developed by crytek budapest was going through some changes hence why it wasn't shown at this year's e3. Among the changes were the development were transfered from budapest to Crytek's main team. Also it was rumored late last year that the game was taken away from being so dependent on kinect and being moved to next generation as well.


On this note I have one serious question for you guys after seeing this news on neogaf. Why do people seem to hate on microsoft? On gaf all I hear is people talking about wanting new ip's and when microsoft announces they are putting massive money toward new ip people complain that its a space fps and microsoft keeps making shooters.

Yet when you look at the number of games released Sony has actually released more shooters than microsoft have this generation. The only problem is that most of them have flopped in comparsion to the xbox being popular with Halo and Call of Duty.

Even at E3 microsoft showed off three new ip (matter, ascend new gods, and lococycle) yet people seem to discount XBLA as not counting toward anything.

I'm kind of hoping that Ryse is moved to being a third person  game similar to the orginal pitch of that high voltage software gladiator game. The weird kinect first person mode could be an optional mode.

Also Rare seems to be working on cloud based kinect game.

 http://www.oxm.co.uk/48015/rare-making-cloud-based-kinect-game-working-with-extremely-early-prototype-hardware/

Will probably be related to some sort of cross platfrom console/windows 8/windows phone game. Really hoping they decide to go back to Perfect Dark and a make a dues ex style game in the vein of the orginal and a few of the levels from PD zero.  That or another Kameo or Banjo game or at least something in the mascot platformer style of game.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 29, 2012, 12:50:57 PM
I hate on Microsoft because I was an OS/2 user and I'm still angry about how Microsoft screwed IBM.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 29, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
I hate on Microsoft because I was an OS/2 user and I'm still angry about how Microsoft screwed IBM.

I meant on the gaming front.

WHAT did microsoft do to IBM and what's os/2? I thought O2 was a britsh telephone carrier.
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Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2012, 01:46:55 PM
I hate on Microsoft because I was an OS/2 user and I'm still angry about how Microsoft screwed IBM.

I meant on the gaming front.

WHAT did microsoft do to IBM and what's os/2? I thought O2 was a britsh telephone carrier.
You might now OS/2 was an operating system that IBM and Microsoft were working on together.  With a lot of the Co-Developed tech being a core part of the Windows NT Kernel which is the base of Windows NT - XP.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 29, 2012, 09:27:11 PM
Microsoft didn't screw IBM. Microsoft stopped supporting OS/2 after Windows became a huge success in 1990 (because Windows was bundled with PCs while OS/2 was an expensive software package. OS/2 wasn't retired until 2006 though.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 29, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
So backing out of their partnership didn't screw IBM? Do you know the things Microsoft did with the Win32s code? changing and faking the memory addressing to break compatibility? Do you know how Microsoft lifted the stable components of OS/2 to build their NT line, continuing into Windows 2000 then Windows XP?

Also Microsoft leveraged the bundling of Windows with exclusivity deals to squeeze competitors, like OS/2, out of the market. Their browser debacle wasn't the only antitrust behavior they exercised

Not too mention borrowing things from OS/2 like the taskbar, the right click context menu, and the tabbed properties window.

Let's not even mention the shady licensing deal they pulled with the HPFS file system, later ripping it off for the NTFS file system.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 30, 2012, 07:48:25 AM
Wow, bitter much? IBM sucked at business and failed to market a overpriced POS. And you are factually wrong, stuff like the taskbar was not taken from OS/2, Microsoft developed it as part of Project Cairo and introduced it as part of Windows 95.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 30, 2012, 10:14:48 AM
Lotus developed the first taskbar for use with their Smartsuite, and it was implemented first in OS/2. Lotus was owned by IBM at the time.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 30, 2012, 10:19:49 AM
Uh-huh, if that is what you want to believe. It's not true, but tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. Just face it, IBM failed because of their lack of business sense and inability to keep up with what consumers want.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 30, 2012, 11:37:02 AM
...What the? I was there in the early 90's working on computers. The Smartsuite with the taskbar came out before Windows 95. Microsoft followed suit.

Some of us get our facts from real life, not Wikipedia.
 
edit: you were what, NINE years old when Windows 95 came out? Don't speak of things you know little about.
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Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
I'm fairly sure the task bar was their in Windows 95 which was before OS/2.  Particularly because Lotus had done it.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 30, 2012, 07:12:21 PM
Windows 95 was not before OS/2. GUI based OS/2 2.0 came out in 1992 I think. OS/2 Warp 3.0 came out in 1994.

Look at the screenshots of early alpha Windows 95 in the summer of 1993 vs the fall of 1993. That's when they added the task bar. Before that is was just a command line with hot buttons.

You used to be able to read more details about this online but it was largely in newsgroups not web pages.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 01, 2012, 11:09:37 AM
So what happened to IBM's "OS/2" thing? Did it get transferred to Lenovo when they bought IBM's computer division?

Speaking of Lenovo, are their computers any good? I currently have a Samsung QX411, and I might be upgrading to a new laptop in a few years. I'm torn between ASUS, Lenovo, Toshiba, or Samsung. I've heard good things about ASUS and Lenovo, but those brands aren't as well known as HP, Samsung, Toshiba, etc.
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Post by: EasyCure on December 01, 2012, 11:54:09 AM
i have a lenovo, suggested by a friend that's much more computer savvy than I am. I've never has any issues with it but I'm not able to say much more than that
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 01, 2012, 01:55:40 PM
IBM's OS/2 was my favorite operating system but IBM mishandled it. The old joke was "IBM's marketing department: two guys, a telephone, and pack of cards."

IBM mishandled a lot of things though. They got to big and didn't support their own department. I remember there was a time you could build an IBM PC with all IBM parts: Case, MB, CPU, RAM, Video, Audio, Network, drives, software. But IBM never supported it. You would buy an IBM computer and it would have a Seagate hard drive in it. Why didn't they put an IBM hard drive inside?

Lenovo was a Chinese company that bought the Thinkpad division of IBM. Or maybe it was formed from it, can't remember.

Thinkpad were always really well engineered.

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Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 01, 2012, 04:12:50 PM
OK. Back on track shall we.

Apparently the same guy that cracked the Wii U CPU has dropped an interesting tidbit about the Durango CPS clock:

"If you want more evidence that MHz isn't everything, a little birdie points out that Durango (Xbox 720) is specc'ed to have a 1.6GHz CPU."

Tweeted that apparently.
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Post by: ymeegod on December 01, 2012, 05:35:10 PM
Durango is supposed to have more cores though--6 to 8 meaning it's going be at least double the cores of the WII U.  Have to wait and see since rumored specs isn't another to go by.

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Post by: Caterkiller on December 02, 2012, 12:18:50 AM
A slower CPU than the 360(3.2ghz) Gasp! Last gen confirmed again!

We'll see. But if its true I'd love to read U whiners response to this. People don't know nothing about nothing, I know I sure don't. 
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 02, 2012, 01:53:21 AM
Fewer RROD at 1.6ghz. Smart move.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on December 02, 2012, 11:50:30 AM
Iiiiiinteresting. I've been wondering whether Microsoft and Sony would take the WiiUs specs as an opportunity to leapfrog and up the HD stakes, or as permission to release reasonable iterations that wouldn't lose them shittons of money upfront. Looks like Microsoft might have blinked a bit. Honestly, I think this is a good thing if true, the graphics arms race is not doing the industry any good outside of Castle Epic.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2012, 12:07:47 PM
It's all about Balance.

You can have the fastest most powerful CPU in the world tucked into your system, but if the rest of the system isn't able to keep up with it, then it's all for nothing.

If the CPU is sitting around waiting on the GPU and the RAM, then those are clock cycles that were already paid for that have gone to waste. A more affordable CPU that is in lock-step with the rest of the system is more efficient in everyway.

You wouldn't put a ferrari engine in a go-cart.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 02, 2012, 12:42:51 PM
Well there's more to a CPU than clock speed which made the Wii U bitching odd to begin with.

But one would assume that microsoft would use a more modern CPU than nintendo did. As well one has too kind of take what a hacker with third party info on dev kits had to say with a grain of salt.

Also Microsoft is rumored have two SKUs one being the Full Big spec leaked successor to the 360, and another being a cheaper box for media and XBLA games.

As for the naming scheme I'm guessing that microsoft wants something to connect it with windows 8 but doesn't look old once windows and windows phone hit upgrade 9.

I'm guessing the Big expensive box might be the xbox Infinty and the smaller one would be the xbox loop. This way you could use similar branding for both, while technically keeping an 8 in the names of both.

(http://www.next-gamer.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Xbox-Infinity-720-615x250.jpg)
(http://f.cl.ly/items/1f1e0g0j2t021u3T2N2n/loop.png)


But their is a high chance that Loop is just a code name similar to Durango.

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 02, 2012, 12:50:11 PM
Splitting the hardcore and casual SKUs to the extent they seem to be indicating seems like a horrible idea. It segments the user base, and limits your potential sales for games limited to the hardcore one. The whole advantage of a dedicated game console is having one standard hardware configuration to work for, and doing it this way unnecessarily complicates that.

Also, I doubt they'll call it the Xbox Infinity because it screws up the naming for their following console. How do you follow up  a console named Infinity? Xbox Infinity Plus One?
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 02, 2012, 01:13:12 PM
Splitting the hardcore and casual SKUs to the extent they seem to be indicating seems like a horrible idea. It segments the user base, and limits your potential sales for games limited to the hardcore one. The whole advantage of a dedicated game console is having one standard hardware configuration to work for, and doing it this way unnecessarily complicates that.

Also, I doubt they'll call it the Xbox Infinity because it screws up the naming for their following console. How do you follow up  a console named Infinity? Xbox Infinity Plus One?

Because you can give options and there are a lot of people who don't care about games that much. 

While i'm set to get a $400 Durango on day one for my next console, others would probably opt for a cheaper option.

Take my mom for example. She doesn't need a big powerful box that plays Halo and Call of Duty. She'd rather get something like the proposed loop where she gets access to all the media services she uses (netflix, youtube, etc) and smaller xbla games that she would have intreast in (Geomtry Wars, Pacman, Hexic)

Plus its about tackling two markets at once. While its true that gaming consoles are becoming all in one media boxes the price that they carry upon launch can be a downer for some compared to the low cost of Roku or Apple TV. This allows for them to compete on that scale as well as the big high end console one as well.

The bigger question is why the need for loop when the 360 already is a big player in that market. Probably has to be wanting all its products running on the same Windows Kernal and for the 720 and loop to share a lot of the same assets.

But I guess Infinty would be problematic for the foruth system. Maybe they might just go with the new Xbox.

I guess we might find out this Friday or next month.


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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 02, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
I understand how it's good for consumers, I just don't get how it's good for Microsoft. The last couple generations have proved that casual users are willing to buy full-fledged game consoles to get a few games and the media capabilities they want. In the long run, having one console to sell to everybody is clearly better for Microsoft than splitting the market, and unlike Sony they're not in enough of a rush to sacrifice the long term for the short term.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 02, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
It's all about Balance.

You can have the fastest most powerful CPU in the world tucked into your system, but if the rest of the system isn't able to keep up with it, then it's all for nothing.

If the CPU is sitting around waiting on the GPU and the RAM, then those are clock cycles that were already paid for that have gone to waste. A more affordable CPU that is in lock-step with the rest of the system is more efficient in everyway.

You wouldn't put a ferrari engine in a go-cart.

Right on, right on! 360 and PS3 both had hugely overpowered CPUs in comparison to their GPUs and Memory. This allowed them to last a long time in their generation, but it also led to designers making their games CPU intensive.
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Post by: EasyCure on December 02, 2012, 01:57:44 PM

Also, I doubt they'll call it the Xbox Infinity because it screws up the naming for their following console. How do you follow up  a console named Infinity? Xbox Infinity Plus One?

Xbox Infinity & Beyond?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 02, 2012, 04:48:30 PM
Xbox "Infinity" would imply that this is the be-all, end-all Xbox console, and that there isn't anything beyond that.

All this arguing about tech specs is pointless. People always demand more from their entertainment devices. Is it really a big deal if the Wii U isn't as advanced as the next Xbox or PlayStation? As long as it plays the games you enjoy and has the features you want, then there's no reason to be ungrateful. The Wii U's online features are a huge improvement over Nintendo's previous efforts, yet people still complain.

We all know that the DS was extremely weak compared to the PSP, and the Wii is underpowered compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3.. But that doesn't matter because those systems had games I (still) enjoy playing. I still love playing the old games on the Virtual Console, and many of those games look like **** compared to what we have now.

This power race is getting us nowhere, and it's kind of pointless to worry about such trivial things.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 02, 2012, 05:10:13 PM
If the tech specs put it in a wii like postion I could see complaining. Even then you'd probably only complain if you owned multi system making it a moot point anyway. I've noticed that nintendo fans in most cases don't know what they're missing.

As much as I bitched about the wii U online set up I know most of what I had problems were trival matters.

They already said miiverse and eshop will be getting web clients soon enough. I just wish they were there at launch.

The odd friend request system is somthing that should be patched but shouldn't be a worry if you use miiverse to send friend requests.

DLC is being patched in this month.

The only legitamte problem is the Nintendo Network problem whichis hopefully fixed.


Also if anyone wanted to read it here's the leaked 2010 document that surfaced a few months ago before microsoft started taking it down.

 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0iImq1q0Y-SaUdSWjI5aUVJNVE/preview?pli=1


Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 02, 2012, 05:36:06 PM
How do you search for specific Google Docs? A web search for "Xbox 720 document" doesn't find any results.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on December 02, 2012, 07:06:54 PM
Also, how is cloud computing going to play into this? You only need your console to be a window into a bigger world if you can have a super super computer server process all the data
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on December 02, 2012, 09:25:20 PM
I was assuming cloud based meant the usual stuff.

-Profile and Saves in the cloud (microsoft already does this)
-A service similar to Onlive or Gaikai
-Backend stuff for services (Halo 4 and Waypoint use windows azure)

I saw a thread on gaf about Rare hiring for someone with cloud experience the other day. Here's the job posting in question.

 http://m.microsoft-careers.com/job/Midlands-Region-Principal-Cloud-Services-Engineer-Microsoft-Studios-Rare-Job/2239907/#job/Midlands-Region-Principal-Network-Services-Engineer-Microsoft-Studios-Rare-Job/2239907

Pretty much confrims that Rare is working on a new kinect title.

Also after Onlive inploded a few months back microsoft held a meeting for people displaced by the company to apply towork at its redmend campus.


Intresting enough while digging around on the microsoft careers mobile site I came across a posting for a tech director of online services for lionhead.

 http://m.microsoft-careers.com/#

They're also hiring for an unannounced game. The person has to have had experience with rpg, action and adventure, and rts genres. Not only that but the person must have a passion for MMOs and shipped one. Ties in with the rumors around e3 that Lionhead was working on a sorta mmo game.

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ThePerm on December 03, 2012, 07:32:17 PM
There's a difference between cloud computing and cloud storage. I was thinking more along the lines of a server farm. Theoretically, you don't need a web enabled computer to have much in the way of power. All you need is for it to connect to a server. If the server had a lot of power then it could relay back visual information. This idea sounds laggy, but there is a fix. If the console is medium powered then it can pick up some of the load. If no console power is dedicated to doing things like AI, or physics for instance it can focus on doing graphics. Kinda how when we forget the name of an actor, or want to brush up on a subject we go to wikipedia, or imdb.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on December 04, 2012, 09:44:27 AM
Any reason why Yahoo one of the most on the brink companies writes dooms articles on the big 3. They wrote an article saying microsoft couldn't afford to invest in xbox any more due to the xbox divsion being poor.

Not only is their assesment factually wrong (they pretty much say xbox makes money but not all the money so the company should drop it). But they couldn't be bothered to research why the Interactive Enteraiment divsion is weighed down.The xbox makes a pretty decent profit, the problem is that its stuck in the same divsion as zune,kin, and also windows phone).

Its really odd that someone could make this assesment as a journalist when microsoft just made their most expensive game to date (Halo 4) and it sold $200 million on day one. Not only have they rebranded everything to the xbox branding but more quality sources (bloomberg and the verge) have reported on a new xbox and this being's microsofts best year overall.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on December 04, 2012, 11:44:02 AM
Sony is more likely to drop out of the console market than Microsoft.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 04, 2012, 12:07:11 PM
You know, that leaked MS doc mentions never needing to upgrade your hardware again (thanks to cloud computing) which would make the Xbox Infinite/Loop name a little more valid.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Uncle_Optimus on December 04, 2012, 01:08:41 PM
Any reason why Yahoo one of the most on the brink companies writes dooms articles on the big 3. They wrote an article saying microsoft couldn't afford to invest in xbox any more due to the xbox divsion being poor.

What article? Recent?
The challenges facing Microsoft are not quite as immediate as Nintendo and Sony (as the Shyguy said, it almost feels like Sony is facing an existential crisis due to killer competition across nearly all their major markets) because the majority of their revenues come from other, still healthy product lines. What keeps MS up at night is the very real threat that those cash cows may dry up over these next couple cycles (the computing paradigm looks to be gradually but surely shifting thanks to the lightweight, adaptable and ever-growing mobile platforms).
I am watching closely to see how much of their market remains come the inevitable Windows 9 in a few years. Meanwhile, if they can be made secure enough, cloud services just might displace that stranglehold MS has on business. Could be talking outta my ass on this one, but disruption can be fast, brutal and take no prisoners. Just ask RIM and Nokia. And heck, Sony.

To be clear, I think MS is still in a very strong position, flush with cash and with plenty of opportunity to transition into an even more ubiquitous entity than they are now...but the computing boom markets certainly are very much up for grabs and the momentum is not in their sails at this moment.
It does indeed sound like XBox (in all its planned flavours!) will be a huge part of their strategy to seize the consumer market, as it should be. If that Yahoo article is just as you said, it would actually be foolish of MS not to invest in and leverage the consumer success they have bled and bled for (wonder what total net profit for their two-generation XBox initiative works out to? Whatever it is, the colour is probably red). They need an enticing ecosystem and the "halo effects" it creates 'cuz their competitors are steadily constructing the potential means for their downfall.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on December 11, 2012, 05:17:06 PM
So a few new apps launched for the xbox Today. We got

Maxim
Skydrive
Cnet
Skydrive

They also released a list of a bunch of other apps releasing early next year. Sadly it seems that Twitch.TV is off of the list.

The Xbox Karoke game released today and the pricing is set to buy in differnt hour blocks of 2,6, and 24 hours depending on hiow much you play. Game has smartglass support and no need to wait for songs to download as its all streaming based.

This weekend there is going to be a THQ sale on xbox live since they need to raise as much money they can. Hopefully the first Darksiders is below $10.



Also starting December 18th microsoft is holding their christmas/new years sale throughout the 31st.

The new Double Fine Kinect game is hitting the 18th as well and its going to be free through the 31st as well. Looks like a fun party game and the giantbomb stream was pretty awesome.

I also have to say microsoft has been doing a decent job of supporting xbox live for windows 8. Some miniclip and Gameloft mobile games were released that don't really intrest me, but illomilo+ and two Gunstringer games have been released as well. They seem to be supporting them well with Adrea being updated with the 2nd episoide (4.99).


Also apparently one of the console makers are going to tease their next gen console real soon. I think arthur gies said it might be a ces or an event around that time frame.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: ShyGuy on December 11, 2012, 05:31:56 PM
What Microsoft want's to do is have the same basic homongenous platform across PCs, Tablets, Smartphones, Consoles, and Set Top Boxes. It's a lofty goal, but they need to make functionality more seamless and smooth.

You pay a yearly M$ fee and get a universal ID, messaging, gamerscore, software library, game saves, internet favorites, address book, calendar, etc. That is what they want.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on December 11, 2012, 06:29:33 PM
Well microsoft already does a lot of that. My Current Microsoft Account ID is conncted to most of these.

Outlook.com- My personal email adresss that I use for more important sign ups, school and jobs apps, and online shopping.

Skydrive- Cloud storage for files and photos. Got 25GB free for using it before the revamp over the summer. Skydrive also has the office web apps which are pretty good when I don't have office or a flash drive.

Xbox Live- All of my account info, gamerscore, purchases,  and cloud storage for saves.

Xbox Music and Xbox Video- Tracks all my music and video purchases like any other service. Free streaming on windows 8, with an optional music pass service similar to spotify. Also has a cloud storage feature so I just uploaded all of my personal music onto. Similar to itunes match or the Google. Music match.

Windows 8- synchs my user options, internet options, and stuff like what notifications I have on the lock screen and the wallpaper for the desktop, metro, and lockscreen across devcies.

Windows Store- tracks my purchases and what I have installed on each of my PCs like Google play does on the web. 

Windows phone- pretty much the same as the windows 8 and store just for windows phone.

Skype- Microsoft accounts=skype IDs from now on.

All of this works seemless around each other and intergrates with each other pretty well. For example I was playing scott pilgrim on my 360 and when I went to use my xbox the livetile showed scott pilgrim the game and how many acheivements I unlocked. Also my xbox music playlists synch between my xbox, windows 8 device, and windows phone. My tabs and brower as well through smartglass (throwing the webpage on my phone or tablet to the PC and vice versa).

Skydrive synchs my pictures as well as my files and I have the app set up on the metro and desktop side that it becomes my file system and whenever I save somthing its synched to skydrive and can be acessed elsewhere. 


When it comes to the eco-system and device game I think microsoft is doing better than most of the others in the computing game. With the surface and windows phone doing decent (slow but steady) and windows 8 doing really good on the software side (oems fucked the hardware side by making retails heavily dicount windows 7 hardware to clear stock before windows 8 launched leaving a lot of people not adopting first gen windows 8 harrdware) microsoft has a pretty good ecosystem.




Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Shaymin on December 11, 2012, 08:07:11 PM
So Steve, care to explain why you're launching a Hockey Night in Canada app in the middle of a lockout?

Need a killer app for next fall after the 420 gets delayed?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on December 11, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
I noticed that as well. Its odd the cbc app is still releasing when the american equvilent seems to be shevled intill the lockout is over.

Really wish microsoft would get MLS Live. I mean the sounders are sponsered by microsoft and have xbox on their Jeserys ffs.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on December 11, 2012, 11:36:08 PM
Watching the microsoft E3 2005 confrence and its a good one. Its funny how their pretty much all about the games and only taking entertaiment once.


-Its been a long generation the 360 hit 8 years ago. The game between the xbox and the 360 were four.

- J Allard looks like lex Luthor-
-A montage of OG xbox games that were hitting that year.
-Dropping the dead or alive 4 exclusive bomb.
-Games for every demographic
-xbox 360 because the player is always in the center japan.
-The desgin was made by two studios in Osaka and San Fran.
-The old guide takes me back.
-lol people claping at xbox live silver
-This Presentation sounds much more like a trade show event compared to the advertising style of modern day E3s.
-Showing media stuuf through windows media center.
-The whole atmosphere is much more relaxed.n
Wonder if microsoft might pick up Devil's Thrid to try and have it come at launch. Igataki doesn't have a publisher any more and he worked pretty closly with microsoft for a good while.
-The stage is a 360 which seems uncomfortable for those facing away fromthe screen.


Now their showing off more xbox games

-Lost Odyessy by Hironobu Sakaguchi (must have been a megaton back in the day)
-Project Gotham Racing 3 (R.I.P bizzare creations)
-Ghost Recon 3 advanced warfighter
-NBA 2K6
-Kameo (Rare feeding the hardcore lol)
-Call of Duty 2
-Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivian
-Gears of war
-Don Mattrick and the lame celeb trotting from EA.
-He just said madden zero six
-Final Fantasy 11
-Final Fantasy tech demo which. Looks like an uprezzed PS2 game.


Really makes me wonder how Microsoft plans to advertise the Durango compared to the xbox 360 launch.

Microsoft's current marketing looks like this

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ldoEMw0lM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

While the xbox launch stuff was like this
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmlrGq66tCY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on December 13, 2012, 09:40:21 AM
So a few guys on Twitter have found the Majority of games that are going to be on sale for the xbox live holiday sale. The sale starts on Tuesday 18th December through to the 31st. Discounts are yet to be revealed.

(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/b1/55/b1550bb4-23f1-4185-994b-3248c64ce15b.jpg?n=955x183_mini-banner-Arcade-AddOns.jpg)
General XBLA (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-arcade-games)

Frogger: Hyper Arcade Edition
Joe Danger 2: The Movie
Zuma's Revenge!
The Simpsons™ Arcade Game
Wreckateer
Plants vs. Zombies
Peggle Peggle™ Nights Content Pack
Fire Pro Wrestling
SONIC 4 Episode II
Sonic The Hedgehog 2
RAW
A World of Keflings
A World of Keflings - Sugar, Spice and Not So Nice
A World of Keflings - It Came From Outer Space
Kinect Party
Jet Set Radio

General Games on Demand (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-games-on-demand)

TBA

(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/fe/f0/fef07eb8-fa4c-4cbf-8a66-80c6ceaaec37.jpg?n=955x183_mini-banner-AvatarSale.jpg)
General Avatar Accessories

Air Force Flight Helmet
Army Humvee
T-Rex
Triceratops
Husky
Golden Retriever
Abominable Snowman Outfit
Sports Car

(http://compass.xboxlive.com/assets/6d/1b/6d1b9993-d33e-4dae-aab2-fc7ebb2afd94.jpg?n=955x183_mini-banner-1DaySale.jpg)

dec 18th
[url=http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-18-modern-warfare-3]Modern Warfare 3 (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-avatars)

Modern Warfare® 3 [GoD]
Collection 1 DLC
Collection 2 DLC
Collection 3 DLC
Collection 4 DLC

Dec 19th
Lego Games (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-19-lego-games)

LEGO Batman [GoD]
LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga [GoD]
LEGO Star Wars III [GoD]
LEGO® Indiana Jones™ [GoD]
LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean [GoD]
LEGO® Indiana Jones™ 2 [GoD]
LEGO® Harry Potter™ [GoD]
 
Dec 20th
Platformer Games (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-20-platformers)

Fez
HELL YEAH! Wrath of the Dead Rabbit
Sonic Adventure™ 2
Rayman® Origins [ GoD]
Rayman 3 HD
Mark of the Ninja
Trine 2

Dec 21st
Rockstar Games (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-21-rockstar)

L.A. Noire [ GoD]
Red Dead Redemption [ GoD]
Max Payne 3 [ GoD]
Midnight Club: LA [ GoD]

Dec 22nd
TBA

Dec 23rd
Summer of Arcade 2012 (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-23-summer-of-arcade)

Dust: An Elysian Tail™
Deadlight
Hybrid

Dec 24th
Trials HD & Trails Evolution (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-24-trials)

Trials HD
Trials HD - Big Thrills
Trials HD - Big Pack
Trials Evolution
Trials Evolution: Origin of Pain

Dec 25th
Kinect Family (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-25-kinect-family)

Hydro Thunder
Rock of Ages
Mini Ninjas Adventures
Leedmees
Fruit Ninja Kinect
Fruit Ninja Kinect - 8-bit Cartridge
Fruit Ninja Kinect - Art Box
Fruit Ninja Kinect - Space Capsule
Fruit Ninja Kinect - Storm Season

Dec 26th
TBA

Dec 27th
Borderlands (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-27-Borderlands)

Borderlands [ GoD]
Borderlands 2 [ GoD]
Borderlands 2 Season Pass

Dec 28th
The Walking Dead (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-28-walking-dead)

The Walking Dead Episode 1
The Walking Dead Episode 2
The Walking Dead Episode 3
The Walking Dead Episode 4
The Walking Dead Episode 5

Dec 29th
Family Games (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-29-family-games)

Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts [ GoD]
Cars 2: The Video Game [ GoD]
Crash Of The Titans [ GoD]
Toy Story 3 [ GoD]
Crazy Taxi The Splatters™

Dec 30th
Fighting Games (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-30-fighting-games)

Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown
Street Fighter III: Online Edition
Dungeon Fighter LIVE: Fall Of Hendon Myre

Dec 31st
Elder Scrolls (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Promotion/countdown-2013-12-31-skyrim-oblivion)

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim [ GoD]
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Dawnguard
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Hearthfire
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion [ GoD]
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion: Shivering Isles
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion: Knights of the Nine

Looks like a Good sale and microsoft seems to be listening after a lot of compliants over the horrid black Friday and xbox live anniversery sales.

I'm guessing the two that are two be announced are going to be for for Microsoft Studios Mature Games and Probably something Forza or twisted pixel related. Hoping Minecraft is put onsale but that isn't likely. 

I feel that Wreckateer has been on sale a lot since coming out and was given away for free a few weeks back.

So far I'm going to try and grab

A World of Keflings and all its DLC
Mark of The Ninja
Dust: an elysian tail
Deadlight
Hydro Thunder
Banjo and Kazzoie: Nuts and Bolts
Virtua Fighter 5

They haven't put up how much the discounts will be but I'll post them as we know.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 11, 2013, 11:50:23 AM
Totally haven't posted in a while

So the London studio is being helmed by Phil Harrison and is called Lift London. Its focus will be making games for tablets, phoned, TVs and the cloud. The head of the studio is being headed by former rare guy Lee Schuneman.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-10-microsoft-announces-lift-london-a-new-developer-focused-on-cloud-games-for-tablets-mobiles-and-tvs

The sound of Lift London seems to be an Incubation studios similar to that of Sony Santa Monica and they're first project is working on a new IP with indie developer Dlala Studios.

Seems like Harrison is really helping organize Microsoft studios.

Also in the article

Former Rare head Scott Hensen is now the head of Lionhead after spending the year working with Harrison.

Craig Duncan is now the head pfb Rare. He used to be of Code masters and Sumo Digital.

Brian Stone is the head of Soho productions that make the Two Way TV games. (The 2nd season of each launched last week.)

Quote
Harrison outlined the new Microsoft Studios developers in Europe as it stands now: Rare, Lionhead, Soho Productions, Press Play, based in Copenhagen, Denmark, and now Lift London.

Harrison said Microsoft is building an external development organisation to extend the reach of its developer relationships in the UK and across Europe. This will manage and support production outside of Microsoft with a raft of companies.

"The key thread that runs thorugh this and our future is the shift from packaged products to connected entertainment services," Harrison said. "That is the thread you will see us develop over the coming years. It's not a change we're going to make immediately. We will continue to support retail products with our key releases for sure.

"But everything we do will have increasingly deep social and additional features that are reliant on the network, that are unlocked by the network and enhanced by the network through Xbox Live and beyond. That's the key strategic shift we're making with our business, moving from being a maker of packaged products to being an operator of connected services.

"You will see that in the people we hire, the companies we partner with and the business models we develop and the creative expression we bring to life on all of these platforms."

Seems like Microsoft is slowly getting its stuff together.


Age of Empires online is no longer being supported with new content but will be continued to be supported just as a game. Really hope Microsoft decides to revisit the brand in the future.


Skulls of The shogun is releasing next week for Xbox, windows phone, and windows 8.  Hopefully the game doesn't get over shadowed by Fire Emblem Awakening.


Also Tequila Works the studio being the XBLA game deadlight is working on a new IP for a major Publisher running Unreal 4. Current guess is that the studio is Microsoft as they have been rumored to be investing in using unreal 4 (lion head and black tusk) and had apparently won deadlight in a bidding war against Sony.












Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: azeke on January 11, 2013, 12:45:29 PM
I'm okay with Microsoft and as software developer i appreciate what they do with all those APIs (DirectX, .NET, ASP.NET) and usually great and extensive documentation.
As a user it's hit and miss with them. Office is okay, Visual Studio is workable but really gimped unless using third-party solutions such as Refactor, Windows is great though once in a while they do really dumb stuff (remember web interface in Win 98, yeahhhh....).
As a gamer i'm indifferent and slightly wary about them. I bought Gears on PC (thanks for broken saves, CliffyB) a few years ago and bought xbox this year for a few exclusives (Bayonetta, RDR, MK9, Vanquish and such) which i don't use much. Not gonna buy Live Gold on principle.

Really can't see myself buying any of the "next-gen" console apart from Wii U year one. I can get eye popping graphics on my PC right now, and if "the grafix" is gonna be the most important feature they have i will be more than fine and dandy with my Wi U+PC+3DS combo.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on January 11, 2013, 01:02:49 PM
...
Visual Studio is workable but really gimped unless using third-party solutions such as Refactor
...
Just want to mention that Microsoft is on the record of saying they purposely left some of those features out simply to allow their Partners to fill those niches.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 11, 2013, 01:13:34 PM
Where did they say that? I find it hard to believe.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 11, 2013, 05:10:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re1EatGRV0w&feature=youtube_gdata_player


http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/184581/Microsofts_IllumiRoom_uses_your_whole_living_room_for_video_games.php#.UPCNl5wo4gV


So Microsoft showed a concept of this at ces from the research divsion.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2013, 03:33:01 AM
Truth to the Durango & PS4 rumors!?

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/145830-industrial-espionage-amd-files-suit-against-former-employees-for-alleged-document-theft

4 ex-AMD employees, who all work for Nvidia now have become the industries 4 Dumbest Criminals

Quote
AMD has filed (and been granted) a request for immediate injunctive relief against multiple former employees that it alleges stole thousands of confidential documents. Named in the complaint are Robert Feldstein, Manoo Desai, Nicholas Kociuk, and Richard Hagen. All four left AMD to work at Nvidia in the past year. The loss of Feldstein was particularly noteworthy, as he’d been the head of AMD’s console initiatives for years. Feldstein was behind the work that landed AMD the Wii U, PS4, and Xbox Durango.
[...]
Furthermore, the company states that it has evidence that Hagen and Feldstein directly recruited Desai and Kociuk as well as attempted to solicit other employees from AMD. It then details the contents of specific folders and emails that were apparently transferred to external storage, and the list is pretty damning. Desai and Kociuk discussed how to eliminate evidence of transfer from their AMD systems. The named defendants ran Google searches for how to copy and delete large numbers of documents. Over 150,000 documents related to AMD desktop and laptop design were transferred before Kociuk turned in his resignation to AMD.

anyone think Nvidia will take some heat for this?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on January 16, 2013, 12:41:20 PM
Truth to the Durango & PS4 rumors!?

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/145830-industrial-espionage-amd-files-suit-against-former-employees-for-alleged-document-theft

4 ex-AMD employees, who all work for Nvidia now have become the industries 4 Dumbest Criminals

Quote
AMD has filed (and been granted) a request for immediate injunctive relief against multiple former employees that it alleges stole thousands of confidential documents. Named in the complaint are Robert Feldstein, Manoo Desai, Nicholas Kociuk, and Richard Hagen. All four left AMD to work at Nvidia in the past year. The loss of Feldstein was particularly noteworthy, as he’d been the head of AMD’s console initiatives for years. Feldstein was behind the work that landed AMD the Wii U, PS4, and Xbox Durango.
[...]
Furthermore, the company states that it has evidence that Hagen and Feldstein directly recruited Desai and Kociuk as well as attempted to solicit other employees from AMD. It then details the contents of specific folders and emails that were apparently transferred to external storage, and the list is pretty damning. Desai and Kociuk discussed how to eliminate evidence of transfer from their AMD systems. The named defendants ran Google searches for how to copy and delete large numbers of documents. Over 150,000 documents related to AMD desktop and laptop design were transferred before Kociuk turned in his resignation to AMD.

anyone think Nvidia will take some heat for this?
Probably not but I wonder how they were being mistreated for them to attempt that.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2013, 01:59:31 PM
You don't think Nvidia will take heat for soliciting employees who then conspired to steal confidential information to bring with them, but we're also stupid enough to talk about it in company monitored emails?

Who knows what other stupid stuff they were talking about in those emails.

Could be a case for corporate espionage.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on January 16, 2013, 02:12:37 PM
You don't think Nvidia will take heat for soliciting employees who then conspired to steal confidential information to bring with them, but we're also stupid enough to talk about it in company monitored emails?

Who knows what other stupid stuff they were talking about in those emails.

Could be a case for corporate espionage.
With the Skillset these people have NVidia is the only other game in town.  I doubt they even had to recruit them if they had that much disregard in the end.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2013, 02:19:12 PM
It says in the quoted portion of the story that they were solicited though, so it would only be a matter of proving a connection between recruitment and the theft.

And I didn't read the whole story, so I don't know if they point out what else was stated in their bone headed emails and Google searches.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 16, 2013, 03:11:02 PM
When exactly did the guys leave and join Nivida.  I would assume their would be a non compete clause for these companies.
 
Apparently Microsoft has briefed a few developers on Kinect 2.0 and there are dev kits out in the wild
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/386816/next-gen-xbox-motion-control-kits-in-circulation/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/386816/next-gen-xbox-motion-control-kits-in-circulation/)
According to a games developer familiar with the situation, Microsoft has already briefed a number of studios on the next phase in its motion control initiative. Future Xbox plans are so tightly guarded, however, that the source has not seen the development kits in person.

 
Microsoft is set to replace the Xbox chat platform with Skype
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/386889/microsoft-to-replace-xbox-live-voice-chat-with-skype/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/386889/microsoft-to-replace-xbox-live-voice-chat-with-skype/)
A person familiar with the matter said Microsoft will be "consolidating all their communications technology" around the Skype platform. This means that Skype will become the default chat service on the next generation Xbox console as well as on PC and tablets, the person said.

He added: "You might jump to the conclusion that we'll see asynchronous voice and video messages in next-gen Xbox Live".
Microsoft's $8.5 billion acquisition of Skype in 2011 (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/300724/microsoft-buys-skype-bringing-service-to-xbox-360-kinect/) was marked as the software giant's largest ever acquisition in its forty year history. The corporation has since opened its own Skype division within Microsoft, headed up by Skype's former Chief executive Tony Bates.
In November, Microsoft announced it was preparing to close (http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/rumor-microsoft-retiring-messenger-moving-users-to-skype-1110200) its instant message chat service MSN and replace it with Skype's messaging tool.
A recent job advertisement revealed Microsoft was seeking a user interface designer (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/359663/kinect-2-ms-hiring-for-next-gen-natural-user-interface-development/) for the "next gen Xbox". The job location was said to be at Microsoft's UK-based Skype offices.
"The team you'll join is responsible for Skype in the living room (broadly the home), across various devices but with a focus on the large screen and the next generation of Xbox," the job ad reads. (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/362230/next-gen-xbox-to-support-skype-microsoft-job-ad/)

Microsoft also announced on the Playxbla blog their third free to play game a Sequel to Full House Poker
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http://playxbla.com/wsop/ (http://playxbla.com/wsop/)
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/BOXART.jpg)
Today Microsoft Studios announced the most visually stunning digital poker game on the market—”World Series of Poker®: Full House Pro.” Coming Spring 2013 and available on Xbox 360 and Windows 8, “World Series of Poker: Full House Pro” takes the Xbox LIVE Arcade hit “Full House Poker,” to a whole new level. Poker players can build their bankrolls as they compete against opponents from around the world while personalizing their experience with flashy avatar accessories, amazing chip tricks, and real-world casinos.
”World Series of Poker: Full House Pro” is true to the WSOP brand, giving players the authenticity of a live WSOP event, delivering the most realistic poker experience possible to TVs and Windows 8 devices around the world. Gameplay features include:
> Free-to-Play—Jump in and play with real competitors any time, day or night.  Don’t worry about losing your chips either, because each day you will receive a free stack of chips to kick start your climb up the leaderboard where you can challenge players at any level you wish.
> With a constant stream of updates and new content, there will always be a reason to come back and see what’s new.
> Pick up and play across Xbox 360 and Windows 8 platforms. This means you can resume your game anytime, anywhere.
> Variety of Game Modes – From single-player mode, to single-table games and full-blown tournaments, you never need to worry about finding a game that suits your style.
> World Series of Poker on ESPN announcers Lon McEachern and Norman Chad provide commentary during play, giving gamers the authenticity as if they were on ESPN playing in the WSOP.
> Delve into the single-player game and learn the ropes before jumping online to test your mettle with specialty games including eight head-to-head Pro Takedowns, and an All-in Pro Takedown Tournament.

 
 
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on January 16, 2013, 03:27:21 PM
It says in the quoted portion of the story that they were solicited though, so it would only be a matter of proving a connection between recruitment and the theft.

And I didn't read the whole story, so I don't know if they point out what else was stated in their bone headed emails and Google searches.
Hagen and Feldstein went on their own is how I read that and then recruited the other one.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2013, 08:33:03 PM
I may have misread as I was doing it in increments during training breaks...
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2013, 10:04:23 PM
Well to get back in topic.... anyone want to catch me up on the latest rumors?

Last I hard was 8core CPU, 8GB RAM, HD88XX GPU & a large HDD going by the name Xbox8 (or infinity) and currently code named Durango. Set for release at or near the end of 2013.

Is that out dated?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 16, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
That seems to be the current rumor

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=507325

Also its rumored that sometimes between now and march going to be announced.  My guess is a reveal at GDC but Microsoft is holding an event later this month but that's rumored to be for Surface Pro or Office 2013.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 17, 2013, 10:28:28 AM
So VG247 is showing rumors that Orbis > Durango in raw power but be weaker in other areas.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/17/showtime-ps4-rumoured-at-1-84tf-xbox-720-at-1-23tf/

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Developer sources, speaking after meetings at CES, have told VG247 that the next PlayStation, codenamed Orbis, will have a run-capability of 1.84 teraflops. Conversely, the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, will be able to achieve 1.23 teraflops.

If true, these numbers mean PlayStation 4 will have a 33% raw, computational power advantage over Xbox 720.

While PS4 will have greater grunt that 720, however, the Microsoft machine has significantly more RAM at 8Gb, we’ve been told. Our source said that 3Gb is reserved for the OS, apps and security, leaving 4-5Gb for games.

Orbis will have 4Gb of RAM, said our source, of which 1Gb will be reserved for for OS, security and apps, leaving some 3Gb for games.

Both machines will supposedly have have the ability to read 100Gb Blu-ray discs.[/quote[


Another website Now gamer is reporting the opposite though. Both seem to agree that info from closed doors meeting at ces about both console are about to leak.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Sarail on January 17, 2013, 10:51:47 AM
Aaaaaaaand I have to question just why do these machines need that much power? Sheesh. I mean, unless Pixar is planning on jumping into game development, then I don't see the need for game consoles that push that much power.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on January 17, 2013, 11:12:09 AM
Aaaaaaaand I have to question just why do these machines need that much power? Sheesh. I mean, unless Pixar is planning on jumping into game development, then I don't see the need for game consoles that push that much power.
Because they can and need to vastly overcome what mobile devices will be able to do.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Sarail on January 17, 2013, 11:18:25 AM
Wouldn't that be more what newer handhelds should do then? I've never thought of my home console experience as having competition from an iPhone, Android device, or Windows phone... and I don't foresee that happening for me any time soon either.

3DS, sure. But as long as mobile devices don't have D-pads, analogue sticks, and buttons, they're nowhere in the same league as my 3DS or Sony's Vita/PSP.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 17, 2013, 11:50:02 AM
Because they're trying to future proof the console for the next 7+ years. Same reason why the 360/PS3 were big jumps for their time.  You have to remember that the 360 has been out for nine years.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on January 17, 2013, 02:00:02 PM
The extra RAM will mean nothing for games.  The only reason they want the extra ram is so they can have the console play a game, a movie and a Skype call all at the same time without lag.  Of course, the extra power in the Orbis will mean nothing because companies will want to make the cheapest cross platform games possible so they will go with lowest common denominators which means the lower ram and the lower power.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 18, 2013, 11:34:16 AM
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/10/3859830/microsoft-aquires-r2-studios-blake-krikorian

Pretty Sure I didn't post this but last week Microsoft purchased R2 Studios a home Automation company founded by the creator of the Sling box. The group will be joining the Xbox division and the founder Blake Krikorian will become the corporate vice president of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division. Apparently Google and Apple were also bidding for the company.

 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 18, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
The extra RAM will mean nothing for games.  The only reason they want the extra ram is so they can have the console play a game, a movie and a Skype call all at the same time without lag.  Of course, the extra power in the Orbis will mean nothing because companies will want to make the cheapest cross platform games possible so they will go with lowest common denominators which means the lower ram and the lower power.

That really worked with the Wii didn't it?

Many (Western) developers are obsessed with specs, especially Epic Games and Id Software.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 18, 2013, 12:29:24 PM
Really, I think it's mostly those two. Companies like EA or Activision or Ubisoft would be fine with a relatively minor jump.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 18, 2013, 12:43:31 PM
Isn't it more of a thing of future proofing the console. Also the article said something about 3GB being used for the OS and 5GB for games.,
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 18, 2013, 12:46:04 PM
Designing a console to be bleeding edge powerful on the chance that at some point it may be even remotely viable to use that power with anything resembling a sane budget is a terrible business decision, but one I wouldn't put past Microsoft or Sony.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 18, 2013, 01:28:43 PM
Two minor updates

The NHL Game center app launched today


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Today, NHL GameCenter will launch on Xbox LIVE* around the globe, giving Gold subscribers access to their favorite NHL hockey action right from their Xbox and just in time for the 2013 season to take center ice.

NHL GameCenter for Xbox 360 brings you live games, replays, classic games, and videos from NHL VideoCenter, plus controller-free entertainment with the power of Kinect for Xbox 360.

NHL GameCenter on Xbox LIVE offers the following features:

Follow the Action from the 2013 NHL Season – Get real-time game scores, player stats and team standings. All Xbox LIVE Gold Members can also follow the action on and off the ice from the NHL VideoCenterTM. Watch the best goals, saves and hits from around the league this season.
Live Games and Replays with NHL Game Center LIVE – With your NHL GameCenter LIVE™ subscription ($49.99 USD for the 2012-13 season), watch live, out-of-market games from the NHL regular season. Miss a game? Watch full-length archived games or condensed replays from this season and last.
Every game with an HD-Quality Picture – NHL GameCenter delivers every game in a beautiful, HD-quality picture, and each broadcast gives every fan the option of the Home or Away audio feed. With NHL GameCenter on Xbox 360, you will feel like your team is the home team.
Keep Up With Your Favorite Teams – NHL GameCenter on Xbox 360 lets you personalize the experience to get to the information you care about most. Select up to five teams to follow so you can be sure not to miss a beat on your favorite teams and players. Get the scores, player stats, schedule and live games, right at your fingertips.
Season Central – A quick calendar view of the league schedule or just your favorite teams is a click away. Season Central is the best way to find out what games are on today, this week, or next month.
Mini Guide – The Mini Guide gives you a quick preview of all of today’s action right at the bottom of your screen, and makes it easier than ever to switch between games.
Split Screen – Keep an eye on the rest of the league while cheering on your home team! With Split Screen, you can watch two games at once and do just that. Watch live games on both screens or a live game on one while you catch up with a game recap on the other. You can control both screens independently, pausing and rewinding each separately so you never miss a second of the action.
Classic Games from NHL Vault™ –Relive your favorite moments in NHL history with on-demand access to over 800 classic games from NHL Vault™. Watch some of the best Original Six battles from the 1960s or re-watch the best games from the Stanley Cup® Playoffs through the years. You now have the best way to watch these games on your big screen with Xbox 360.
Voice and Gesture Control with Kinect for Xbox 360 – Focus on the puck instead of looking for the remote. Navigate through Season Central, or play, pause, and rewind that behind-the-back goal, all with the power of Kinect for Xbox 360.



The final Half of Spartan Ops Season 1 starts next Week

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Halo 4” Spartan Ops: Season One Returns with All New Episodes Starting Jan. 21

One of the most awarded titles of 2012 kicks off the New Year with five weeks of brand-new Spartan Ops episodes, starting Jan. 21

“Halo 4” launched worldwide in November 2012, quickly becoming the fastest-selling “Halo” title ever released on the Xbox 360, and the action will continue in 2013 with brand new content.  Today Microsoft and 343 Industries announced the return of Spartan Ops: Season One, which includes five weeks of brand-new content – from Jan. 21 through Feb. 24 – returning players to the episodic adventure that tells the continuing story of the UNSC Infinity.

Reenlist with Fireteam Crimson as they search for Spartan Thorne on planet Requiem and come face-to-face with the threat of Jul ‘Mdama and his cult of Covenant separatists. The intensity of Season One builds to its thrilling conclusion in Episodes 6-10 as the battle moves beyond Requiem to a wide variety of locations featuring epic vehicular combat and on-foot encounters with Prometheans and Covenant forces.

Each week in “Halo 4,” experience a new high-quality cinematic episode, and fight alongside friends in five action-packed playable chapters through Feb. 24. Continuing the story following the events of “Halo 4,” access to Spartan Ops is included with “Halo 4” at no additional charge — effectively delivering two campaign experiences in one game.1

The first half of Spartan Ops: Season One (Episodes 1-5) is available for play at any time in “Halo 4” for those beginning their Spartan careers. Get introduced to Captain Lasky, Commander Palmer and Fireteam Majestic as they continue to explore the mysterious of the Forerunner planet of Requiem. For more information on the continuing season of Spartan Ops, including weekly tune-in trailers as well as exclusive content, visit www.halowaypoint.com.

Oxm has a preview
http://www.oxmonline.com/halo-4-spartan-ops-episode-6-hands-preview
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on January 18, 2013, 03:33:03 PM
I'm positive they have been sitting on that app and press release for the whole lockout.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 18, 2013, 03:35:39 PM
I'm almost positive NHL GameCenter was on Xbox Live last season and then removed for whatever reason. Either way, I'll be using the PS3 version of the app, because Metro is a terrible interface for a gamepad.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 18, 2013, 04:12:32 PM
The app was slated for last year but then the black put happened.

I'd disagree with the metro being bad with a control but I only use smart glass and voice to control the Xbox at this point,
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 21, 2013, 10:16:39 AM
Rumor from VGleaks of the Durango specs


http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durango-unveiled/

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As we promised during the weekend in the next weeks we will unveil Durango and Orbis. All the technical info you want to know about the next generation machines from Sony and Microsoft.

The first one is Durango. In this article we present the system overview with the general components and some technical details about them.

How are durango components connected?

Here you can see the Durango system block diagram:

Durango Arquitecture



Let’s check what’s inside the box:

CPU:

- x64 Architecture

- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)

- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache

- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache

- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources

- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock

GPU:

- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor

- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads

- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle

- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second

High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present

Storage and Memory:

- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)

- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)

- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.

- Hard drive is always present

- 50 GB 6x Blu-ray Disc drive

Networking:

- Gigabit Ethernet

- Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi Direct

Hardware Accelerators:

- Move engines

- Image, video, and audio codecs

- Kinect multichannel echo cancellation (MEC) hardware

- Cryptography engines for encryption and decryption, and hashing

(http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/durango_arq1.jpg)

Wonder what HDD always being present means? Also a little surprised their isn't any NFC to be found on the system.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2013, 01:33:17 PM
sounds good.

Can't wait to see it in action.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 21, 2013, 02:37:51 PM
From the spec sheet alone you can surmise a few things

1) Microsoft is going to push smart glass even harder. The WiFi component is capable of WiFi direct which is a way to share information between devices. Windows 8 and the surface support WiFi direct however windows phone doesnt support it.


2) Kinect 2.0 may be bundled with the console. You see the the Kinect in as well as Natural User Interface sensor is always present.

3)USB 3.0 yay

4)HDMI in is rumored to be for the cable cable box to put into dimilsar to Google TV.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2013, 07:33:13 PM
I wonder how much of the extra power is going to the Kinect. I remember the old Kinect being more sensitive than previously thought when people toyed around with it on better hardware. And with a better Kinect, maybe even more power than that?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on January 22, 2013, 08:54:33 AM
I wonder how much of the extra power is going to the Kinect. I remember the old Kinect being more sensitive than previously thought when people toyed around with it on better hardware. And with a better Kinect, maybe even more power than that?
In the old kinect I'm fairly sure it did a lot of the processing on Hardware but due to cost that had to be moved to software.  I'm sure the new one will do it by Hardware again which means by default it be more powerful.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 23, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
The who did a really cool Blog Post (http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/7/3/the-next-microsoft.html) on how to Redesign Microsoft's brand is now working for Microsoft on the Xbox team.

http://www.minimallyminimal.com

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Big News.

I'm working at Microsoft as of Summer.

Xbox to be specific.

It’s true. I’m going to go work for Microsoft. When my Microsoft rebranding project went viral, I frequently got asked if I was approached by them. "Yes" is the short answer but this relationship has actually been going on for nearly 6 months.

This was a difficult choice to make. I was approached by countless companies with offers, ranging from electronics manufacturers to ad agencies. Some of the companies that approached were the makers of my favorite products ever. I am even a “fanboy” of some of them. But when it came time to make my final decision, I wanted to work at a place I can really get excited about. Working at a company is like getting married, it becomes a fundamental part of your life. I want to work with awesome people on awesome projects that I can get excited about. If you’ve been watching Microsoft over the past year, it’s been exciting, regardless of what your ecosystem preference is.

I can’t talk about the details of how things fell into place but the choice became obvious. I'll be designing for Microsoft as of summer. I promise that I’ll make the my greatest work ever while I'm there.

I want to thank every reader of Minimally Minimal for the support so far. Without you, I would have never been able to get to where I am. You have been the wind beneath my wings, my catalyst, my mentor. I hope you’ve been able to see me grow since 2009, the beginning of this blog, and continue to see my work develop in the future. I still have my final semester of school left, and MM is only 3 years old. Don’t take this as the end of me as a curious designer, it’s only the beginning.

Always looking forward,

Andrew

I want to make it clear that MM has no plans of closing. I’ll continue to share my thoughts with you. The details of what I can/can’t post is still in discussion but this will always be a blog about my honest opinions on subjects I care about.

Also Remember my secret collaboration project with Microsoft in 2012?  (http://www.minimallyminimal.com/blog/some-updates)Well, the IP is being acquired by Microsoft so it will have to stay confidential. I know that many people were looking forward to seeing it so I’m sorry to say that it’ll have to be tucked away for now.


Sure. It was reiterated to me that MS was fully behind doing everything the same like they did in the first few years of the Xbox 360 and that MS knows that is what got them a good deal of backing when the system first came out. That is the 4th or 5th time I was informed that.
I was told there is a very even split between new IP's and faithful IP's. And 3-4 big surprises.


Also it sems that microsoft has a new studio in development that will be based in Richmond, VA. If you serch all on the job listing in Microsoft studios you can find a job posting for a Narative drsigner.


http://www.microsoft-careers.com/job/Richmond-Narrative-Designer-IEB-Microsoft-Studios-%28824217%29-Job-VA-23173/2389695[/url]
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 29, 2013, 10:22:54 AM
So talking about the new London studio a lot of guys from Sony London have jumped ship to join the studio.

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Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: azeke on January 29, 2013, 12:05:41 PM
Microsoft Windows logo just keeps degrading with each iteration...
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on January 29, 2013, 12:11:56 PM
Microsoft Windows logo just keeps degrading with each iteration...
Microsoft tried to be more Apple like with the US flash with Windows 7.  Had a pretty large backlash from it so they decided to go the simple everything could do it UI for Win8.

I wonder what this says about Move.  The London Sony studio was pretty intertwined with that product.  Those are some pretty long tenures for the tech industry to switch.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on January 29, 2013, 03:23:39 PM
I like the new logo its nice and minimal and says a lot about their main consumer products.

Orange = office 365
Blue = Windows 8
Greeen = Xbox
Yellow = Windows Phone
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on January 29, 2013, 04:22:02 PM
I like the new logo its nice and minimal and says a lot about their main consumer products.

Orange = office 365
...
Orange = Windows Phone
You wanna fix that?
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 31, 2013, 05:47:31 PM
So Microsoft released their newest game and IP for Windows 8 called gunpowder.

(http://i.imgur.com/vf9r2uO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1zNuAOy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v6ExfNo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nv0n8JF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wEVIISK.jpg)
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United States Patent Application   20130027296
Kind Code   A1
Klein; Christian ; et al.    January 31, 2013

COMPOUND GESTURE-SPEECH COMMANDS

Originally Posted by Rösti:
Abstract
A multimedia entertainment system combines both gestures and voice commands to provide an enhanced control scheme. A user's body position or motion may be recognized as a gesture, and may be used to provide context to recognize user generated sounds, such as speech input. Likewise, speech input may be recognized as a voice command, and may be used to provide context to recognize a body position or motion as a gesture. Weights may be assigned to the inputs to facilitate processing. When a gesture is recognized, a limited set of voice commands associated with the recognized gesture are loaded for use. Further, additional sets of voice commands may be structured in a hierarchical manner such that speaking a voice command from one set of voice commands leads to the system loading a next set of voice commands.

Inventors:   Klein; Christian; (Duvall, WA) ; Vassigh; Ali M.; (Redmond, WA) ; Flaks; Jason S.; (Bellevue, WA) ; Larco; Vanessa; (Kirkland, WA) ; Soemo; Thomas M.; (Redmond, WA)
Assignee:   MICROSOFT CORPORATION
Redmond
WA

Serial No.:   646692
Series Code:   13
Filed:   October 6, 2012

Originally Posted by Rösti:
Claims
1. A method for controlling a computing system using a voice commands, comprising: accessing multiple depth images from a depth sensor system; recognizing a gesture from the multiple depth images; in response to recognizing a gesture, choosing a subset of a set of sound commands based on the recognized gesture, the set of sound commands includes multiple subsets, each subset is associated with one or more gestures and sound command recognition data for the respective subset; receiving sound input; recognizing a sound command from the chosen subset based on the sound input; and performing an action in response to the recognized sound command.

11. The method of claim 1, wherein: the depth images include a two-dimensional pixel area of a captured scene, each pixel in the two-dimensional pixel area represents a depth value of one or more objects in the scene captured by the depth sensor system; the method further comprises displaying the chosen subset of sound commands in response to the recognizing the gesture; the sound input is received after displaying the chosen subset of sound commands; and the recognizing includes attempting to match the sound input to sound commands in the chosen subset and not to sound commands in other subsets of the set of sound commands.

12. A computing system, comprising: a monitor for displaying multimedia content; a depth sensor for capturing depth images; a microphone for capturing sounds; and a processor in communication with the depth sensor, the microphone and the monitor; the processor communicates with the monitor to display an object, the processor receives multiple depth images from the depth sensor and recognizes a gesture from the multiple depth images, the processor chooses a subset of a set of sound commands based on and in response to the recognized gesture, the set of sound commands includes multiple subsets, the processor loads sound command recognition data for the chosen subset of sound commands in response to the recognized gesture, the processor receives sound input from the microphone and recognizes a sound command from the chosen subset based on the sound input and the loaded sound command recognition data without searching all of the set of sound commands, processor performs an action in response to the recognized sound command.

Originally Posted by Rösti:
Detailed description:
[0064] FIG. 4 illustrates one embodiment of the controller 12 shown in FIG. 1 implemented as a multimedia console 100, such as a gaming console. The multimedia console 100 has a central processing unit (CPU) 101 having a level 1 cache 102, a level 2 cache 104, and a flash ROM (Read Only Memory) 106. The level 1 cache 102 and a level 2 cache 104 temporarily store data and hence reduce the number of memory access cycles, thereby improving processing speed and throughput. The CPU 101 may be provided having more than one core, and thus, additional level 1 and level 2 caches 102 and 104. The flash ROM 106 may store executable code that is loaded during an initial phase of a boot process when the multimedia console 100 is powered on.

[0065] A graphics processing unit (GPU) 108 and a video encoder/video codec (coder/decoder) 114 form a video processing pipeline for high speed and high resolution graphics processing. Data is carried from the graphics processing unit 108 to the video encoder/video codec 114 via a bus. The video processing pipeline outputs data to an A/V (audio/video) port 140 for transmission to a television or other display. A memory controller 110 is connected to the GPU 108 to facilitate processor access to various types of memory 112, such as, but not limited to, a RAM (Random Access Memory).

[0066] The multimedia console 100 includes an I/0 controller 120, a system management controller 122, an audio processing unit 123, a network interface controller 124, a first USB host controller 126, a second USB controller 128 and a front panel I/O subassembly 130 that are preferably implemented on a module 118. The USB controllers 126 and 128 serve as hosts for peripheral controllers 142(1)-142(2), a wireless adapter 148, and an external memory device 146 (e.g., flash memory, external CD/DVD ROM drive, removable media, etc.). The network interface 124 and/or wireless adapter 148 provide access to a network (e.g., the Internet, home network, etc.) and may be any of a wide variety of various wired or wireless adapter components including an Ethernet card, a modem, a Bluetooth module, a cable modem, and the like.

[0067] System memory 143 is provided to store application data that is loaded during the boot process. A media drive 144 is provided and may comprise a DVD/CD drive, Blu-Ray drive, hard disk drive, or other removable media drive, etc. The media drive 144 may be internal or external to the multimedia console 100. Application data may be accessed via the media drive 144 for execution, playback, etc. by the multimedia console 100. The media drive 144 is connected to the I/O controller 120 via a bus, such as a Serial ATA bus or other high speed connection (e.g., IEEE 1394).

[0068] The system management controller 122 provides a variety of service functions related to assuring availability of the multimedia console 100. The audio processing unit 123 and an audio codec 132 form a corresponding audio processing pipeline with high fidelity and stereo processing. Audio data is carried between the audio processing unit 123 and the audio codec 132 via a communication link. The audio processing pipeline outputs data to the A/V port 140 for reproduction by an external audio user or device having audio capabilities.

[0069] The front panel I/O subassembly 130 supports the functionality of the power button 150 and the eject button 152, as well as any LEDs (light emitting diodes) or other indicators exposed on the outer surface of the multimedia console 100. A system power supply module 136 provides power to the components of the multimedia console 100. A fan 138 cools the circuitry within the multimedia console 100.

[0070] The CPU 101, GPU 108, memory controller 110, and various other components within the multimedia console 100 are interconnected via one or more buses, including serial and parallel buses, a memory bus, a peripheral bus, and a processor or local bus using any of a variety of bus architectures. By way of example, such architectures can include a Peripheral Component Interconnects (PCI) bus, PCI-Express bus, etc.

[0071] When the multimedia console 100 is powered on, application data may be loaded from the system memory 143 into memory 112 and/or caches 102, 104 and executed on the CPU 101. The application may present a graphical user interface that provides a consistent user experience when navigating to different media types available on the multimedia console 100. In operation, applications and/or other media contained within the media drive 144 may be launched or played from the media drive 144 to provide additional functionalities to the multimedia console 100.

[0072] The multimedia console 100 may be operated as a standalone system by simply connecting the system to a television or other display. In this standalone mode, the multimedia console 100 allows one or more users to interact with the system, watch movies, or listen to music. However, with the integration of broadband connectivity made available through the network interface 124 or the wireless adapter 148, the multimedia console 100 may further be operated as a participant in a larger network community.

[0073] When the multimedia console 100 is powered ON, a set amount of hardware resources are reserved for system use by the multimedia console operating system. These resources may include a reservation of memory (e.g., 16 MB), CPU and GPU cycles (e.g., 5%), networking bandwidth (e.g., 8 kbs), etc. Because these resources are reserved at system boot time, the reserved resources do not exist from the application's view.

[0074] In particular, the memory reservation preferably is large enough to contain the launch kernel, concurrent system applications and drivers. The CPU reservation is preferably constant such that if the reserved CPU usage is not used by the system applications, an idle thread will consume any unused cycles.

[0075] With regard to the GPU reservation, lightweight messages generated by the system applications (e.g., pop ups) are displayed by using a GPU interrupt to schedule code to render popup into an overlay. The amount of memory required for an overlay depends on the overlay area size and the overlay preferably scales with screen resolution. Where a full user interface is used by the concurrent system application, it is preferable to use a resolution independent of application resolution. A scaler may be used to set this resolution such that the need to change frequency and cause a TV resynch is eliminated.

[0076] After the multimedia console 100 boots and system resources are reserved, concurrent system applications execute to provide system functionalities. The system functionalities are encapsulated in a set of system applications that execute within the reserved system resources described above. The operating system kernel identifies threads that are system application threads versus gaming application threads. The system applications are preferably scheduled to run on the CPU 101 at predetermined times and intervals in order to provide a consistent system resource view to the application. The scheduling is to minimize cache disruption for the gaming application running on the console.

[0077] When a concurrent system application requires audio, audio processing is scheduled asynchronously to the gaming application due to time sensitivity. A multimedia console application manager (described below) controls the gaming application audio level (e.g., mute, attenuate) when system applications are active.

[0078] Input devices (e.g., controllers 142(1) and 142(2)) are shared by gaming applications and system applications. The input devices are not reserved resources, but are to be switched between system applications and the gaming application such that each will have a focus of the device. The application manager preferably controls the switching of input stream, without knowledge the gaming application's knowledge and a driver maintains state information regarding focus switches. For example, the cameras 26, 28 and capture device 20 may define additional input devices for the console 100 via USB controller 126 or other interface.
The bolded segments are what I find most interesting here. Especially the audio processing unit (which I assume is not that of Xbox 360's hardware accelerated audio decompression). 0073 is bolded just for reference since it's a rather obvious thing for most (all?) operating systems.

And lastly, the images, with description first. Note that many of these are just flowcharts of Kinect operations, but hardware is described here as well, note for example the appearance of the camera.

Originally Posted by Rösti:
BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWINGS
[0009] FIG. 1 illustrates a user in an exemplary multimedia environment having a capture device for capturing and tracking user body positions and movements and receiving user sound commands.

[0010] FIG. 2 is a block diagram illustrating one embodiment of a capture device coupled to a computing device.

[0011] FIG. 3 is a schematic representation of a skeleton being tracked.

[0012] FIG. 4 is a block diagram illustrating one embodiment of a computing system for processing data received from a capture device.

[0013] FIG. 5 is a block diagram illustrating another embodiment of a computing system for processing data received from a capture device.

[0014] FIG. 6 is a flow chart describing one embodiment of a process for user interaction with a computing system using voice commands.

[0015] FIG. 7A is a flow chart describing one embodiment of a process for user interaction with a computing system using hand gestures and voice commands.

[0016] FIG. 7B is a flow chart describing further steps in addition to those shown in FIG. 7A for user interaction with a computing system using hand gestures and voice commands.

[0017] FIGS. 7C-7D are flow charts describing additional details for recognizing hand gestures in the process shown in FIG. 7A.

[0018] FIG. 7E is a flow chart describing additional details for recognizing voice commands in the process shown in FIG. 7A.

[0019] FIG. 8A is a flow chart describing an alternative embodiment of a process for user interaction with a computing system using hand gestures and voice commands.

[0020] FIG. 8B is a flow chart describing one option for correlating a gesture with a voice command in accord with FIG. 8A.

[0021] FIG. 8C is a flow chart describing another option for correlating a gesture with a voice command in accord with FIG. 8A.

[0022] FIG. 8D is a flow chart describing another option for correlating a gesture with a voice command in accord with FIG. 8A.

[0023] FIG. 9A is a flow chart describing an alternative embodiment of a process for user interaction with a computing system using hand gestures and voice commands.

[0024] FIG. 9B is a flow chart describing an alternative embodiment of a process for user interaction with a computing system using hand gestures and voice commands.

[0025] FIG. 9C is a flow chart describing one embodiment of a process for user interaction with a computing system using a specific hand gesture and contextual voice commands.

[0026] FIG. 10A is an illustration of a first level user interface implementing the flow chart of FIG. 7A.

[0027] FIG. 10B is an illustration of a second level user interface implementing the flow chart of FIG. 7B.

[0028] FIG. 10C is an illustration of a third level user interface.
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More images in the neogaf thread

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=511043

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Microsoft.AS.&s2=Xbox&OS=AN/Microsoft+AND+Xbox&RS=AN/Microsoft+AND+Xbox
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on January 31, 2013, 06:34:47 PM
I heard one of the main guys at Rare (was there since 1996) is now working for Sony.   So it looks like it's not all just people leaving Sony for Microsoft.  It seems they are exchanging people.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on February 01, 2013, 08:05:29 PM
Yeah he's going to be over all of Sony's European studios like how Phil Harrison is now overseeing all of Microsoft's European efforts.
 
Polygon is reporting Microsoft plans to have an event between March and May to unveil the new xbox.
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Sources familiar with the Microsoft console tell Polygon that Microsoft, while already aware of Sony's launch timing, plans to hold its own announcement this spring, months after Sony's unveiling. A variety of form-factors for Microsoft's new console,  we're told, are already being focus tested.
Both next generation consoles will focus on expanding their reach beyond core gaming to include more entertainment and social aspects, according to our sources. That could include, we're told, a subsidized version of the Xbox that serves as both a gaming platform and a cable box, though agreements with cable companies have yet to be finalized. Last year, The Verge reported  (http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/21/3676130/microsoft-xbox-tv-set-top-box-streaming-video-casual-games)that Microsoft was also working on a subsidized low-cost alternative to its next-gen console.

also on this weeks episode of Windows Weekly Paul Thurrott alluded to the new xbox cryptically saying that from his sources there will be more than xbox branded product released this year and  that it will shown before E3. Its about an hour and 10 minutes in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skdxUwMgEzk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skdxUwMgEzk)
 
i'm going with late march around GDC. its when Microsoft usually has their X events and its where were going to see Bungie's Destiny which is rumored to be Durango exclusive for a year.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: azeke on February 01, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
What i am really afraid of when both MS and Sony present their new consoles with subsidized programs (like get your xbox for 30 bucks, and then pay us 30$ every month for two years), and Nintendo won't do it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Jabs on February 02, 2013, 08:37:53 PM
What i am really afraid of when both MS and Sony present their new consoles with subsidized programs (like get your xbox for 30 bucks, and then pay us 30$ every month for two years), and Nintendo won't do it.


Knowing MS they would only do that in the US then ignore the rest of the world market, they usually ignore anything on that nature that isn't on their home territory.


I don't see Sony doing the subsidy program either, just isn't how they play the game, if they do it would be purely in response to how well it works for MS. Just because such a program could exist doesn't mean it will work most people aren't stupid and won't fall for the cheap setup costs and ignore the total overall price.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 06, 2013, 07:28:25 AM
EDGE says the next Xbox will require an always-on internet connection, will block used games and will use Bluray. (http://www.edge-online.com/news/the-next-xbox-always-online-no-second-hand-games-50gb-blu-ray-discs-and-new-kinect/)


Quote from: EDGE
Microsoft’s next console will require an Internet connection in order to function, ruling out a second-hand game market for the platform. A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsoft’s next console, while improved Kinect hardware will also ship alongside the unit.

Sources with first-hand experience of Microsoft’s next generation console have told us that although the next Xbox will be absolutely committed to online functionality, games will still be made available to purchase in physical form. Next Xbox games will be manufactured on 50GB-capacity Blu-ray discs, Microsoft having conceded defeat to Sony following its ill-fated backing of the HD-DVD format. It is believed that games purchased on disc will ship with activation codes, and will have no value beyond the initial user.

Our source has also confirmed that the next Xbox’s recently rumoured specs are entirely accurate. That means an AMD eight-core x64 1.6GHz CPU, a D3D11.x 800MHz graphics solution and 8GB of DDR3 RAM. As of now, the console’s hard drive capacity is said to be undecided, but Microsoft’s extended commitment to online delivery suggests that it will be the largest unit it has put inside a console to date.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2013, 07:34:19 AM
Yikes. Required always-on Internet connection and blocking used games sound like awful ideas. They're really going to hate that used game policy in Japan, but I suppose that doesn't really matter to Microsoft.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 06, 2013, 08:02:36 AM
If it's indeed true, Microsoft wouldn't do it unless they were damn sure Sony would too. And if they're both doing it, that might explain why third parties have been so quick to avoid the Wii U. Gamers would hate this, but publishers would love it, and I can see why they'd much rather support the system that blocks second-hand games.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2013, 08:29:36 AM
That's true. I wonder how consumers are going to respond. From a consumer perspective, there's 2 sides to a trade-in: the person who trades a game and the person who (potentially) buys that traded game. Not being able to trade a game in towards another game greatly affects some people's ability to buy new games. On top of that, what happens when someone buys a game they don't like or one that just sucks? The only recourse was to trade it in and get back as much as possible. So much for that.

And so much for lending a friend your copy. So, yeah, 3rd parties might love this, but it totally sucks for consumers and they're the ones buying the games. I'm curious to see how this would play out. I typically buy my games new and do not normally trade games in, but I like having the option to trade in games and buy trade ins.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 06, 2013, 08:36:10 AM
The NeoGAF thread is quick to point out that this is the same thing that's been going on on PC for years, and yet Steam is still hugely popular.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2013, 08:50:53 AM
Steam also has those insane sales. If Orbis/Durango follow suit, that would make things a but more interesting.

Also, introducing that policy to an audience that may not be familiar with it is sure to be jarring for some, the-worst-thing-ever for others. While I've ready decided to stick with Wii U for the foreseeable future, I am curious I see what happens here. GameStop probably will not be terribly fond of this. What if they just don't stock those consoles?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on February 06, 2013, 09:17:15 AM
The NeoGAF thread is quick to point out that this is the same thing that's been going on on PC for years, and yet Steam is still hugely popular.
Theirs a flaw in that logic.  I've been a PC gamer since 90 on.  I can tell you right now sharing games between PC users just does not happen like console users.  Its a much more personal experience.  Also Steam has a way to play not connected if you know thats going to happen.

Not to mention the Wonderful sales, the scarce physical availability of computer games, the ease of use, etc.

...
What if they just don't stock those consoles?
Like new Wii games?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Sarail on February 06, 2013, 09:19:56 AM
There goes the ability to rent games from places like Hastings or even Redbox.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: azeke on February 06, 2013, 09:37:51 AM
If it's indeed true, Microsoft wouldn't do it unless they were damn sure Sony would too. And if they're both doing it, that might explain why third parties have been so quick to avoid the Wii U. Gamers would hate this, but publishers would love it, and I can see why they'd much rather support the system that blocks second-hand games.
Sony still might decide against it. Because as you said -- Japan. By committing to game activations they will basically give japanese console crown to Wii U.

Also, wouldn't that basically kill Gamestop and the likes? Isn't it in their own best interests just to refuse to carry no second-hand consoles and games? Retailers were quick to bury PSP Go, what will they do now?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on February 06, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
Not a fan of DRM but I wouldn't mind an always online console.

Really don't see thus happening as its pretty at odds with what Microsoft has been doing on this front in other places.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2013, 11:22:40 AM
Could also be the reason Netflix backed out of game rentals after announcing it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on February 06, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
No. Even though the netflix CEO is/was on the Microsoft board of directors this has nothing to do with that. Netflix has seen more increase in their streaming accounts and want too eventual get rid of their physical stuff. It wouldn't make sense to add a big new physical branch when you can use those resources to get content deal (the recent Disney one) and to develop new exclusive content (lillyhammer, house of cards, arrested development)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Oblivion on February 06, 2013, 11:32:29 AM
If this is true for Microsoft, I couldn't give less of a ****. Now, if this is true for Sony too, then **** 'em. I'll protest with my money. The only way I could ever see myself giving into the model is if they have Steam-like deals. In retail stores. If not, they can go to hell.


Always online also sucks, considering my internet connection is horrible.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on February 06, 2013, 12:01:56 PM
The lead designer of twisted pixel posted this

https://mobile.twitter.com/modeps/status/299185048610021376

If any one knew what was up with the new Xbox it would be him and he's pretty much calling the rumor bullshit.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on February 06, 2013, 12:26:51 PM
No used games bugs me more in the longterm.  Like years from now when Game X is out of print I can't play it?  **** that!  My NES and Genesis game collections are 100% used, simply because I didn't own those systems when they were current.  As a classic game enthusiast an always-online system is purely a machine of it's time.

And like Oblivion I don't like always-online because internet connections are fickle pieces of ****.  The **** I want to not be able to play my single player otherwise offline game because the internet is down.

If both MS and Sony do this the Wii U gets my money by default.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2013, 12:37:41 PM
No used games bugs me more in the longterm.  Like years from now when Game X is out of print I can't play it?
Digital downloads. You can still play them, just on Sony's and Microsoft's terms. I prefer physical media (and only buy digital if a game is download only like Mighty Switch Force) so obviously I don't like this at all.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 06, 2013, 01:30:18 PM
The thing is, there's basically no point to buying physical copies if this were true. You couldn't resell games and could only play them when logged into their servers. The only advantage physical copies would have is not using as much hard drive space.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on February 06, 2013, 02:17:37 PM
No used games bugs me more in the longterm.  Like years from now when Game X is out of print I can't play it?
Digital downloads. You can still play them, just on Sony's and Microsoft's terms. I prefer physical media (and only buy digital if a game is download only like Mighty Switch Force) so obviously I don't like this at all.

Even digital downloads have a fixed life though.  They have to offer the product and while that might work okay for some game that's only been out of print a few years it will not work on something that's like ten years old.  If the PS1 had downloads there is no way that that service would still be available by now.  Plus sometimes games are in limbo regarding rights.  Right now if I want to play Goldeneye I can get a used cartridge, put it in an old N64 and I'm set.  That is the ONLY legal way to play that game.  In an always-online model that game would just be gone for good (except in piracy).

I don't want this happen ONLY if it takes off and becomes the acceptable way to do things.  But I would LOVE it if MS or Sony tried it and their system just BOMBED.  That would poison the concept and discourage others from trying to same thing.  It would probably be better for it to be viewed as a failed idea than one with potential.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2013, 02:29:31 PM
Like I said, on their terms. And I dislike it just as much as you do. I'm really glad Nintendo isn't messing that nonsense.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: azeke on February 06, 2013, 02:37:18 PM
I'm really glad Nintendo isn't messing that nonsense.
One of the NFC related patents Nintendo has registered had a system that tracks game purchases from retailer. Some kind of gamers card or something. I don't think it outrightly said it's to supress used games sales, but it can potentially used for that.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2013, 02:43:32 PM
Are they doing it right now? No? Then, it doesn't matter. The second they do is when I reconsider gaming as a hobby that I invest a bunch of money in.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: azeke on February 06, 2013, 02:46:25 PM
Are they doing it right now? No? Then, it doesn't matter. The second they do is when I reconsider gaming as a hobby that I invest a bunch of money in.
We'll always have PC
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Louieturkey on February 06, 2013, 02:56:20 PM
The NeoGAF thread is quick to point out that this is the same thing that's been going on on PC for years, and yet Steam is still hugely popular.
Isn't Steam being sued in Germany right now for the used game sale policy?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 06, 2013, 03:06:22 PM
I think if this happened I would suddenly become a PC gamer.  Maybe grabbing  Wii U out of the bargain bin for Nintendo exclusives.

I never buy a console game without renting it first. (Nintendo first party stuff aside).  Too many times I have bought a game and never been bothered to finish it because I lost interest.  I will also only rent small games I can finish in a weekend.  I'm not going to pay full retail price for a new game that I can finish in a casual weekend. 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 06, 2013, 03:08:44 PM
The NeoGAF thread is quick to point out that this is the same thing that's been going on on PC for years, and yet Steam is still hugely popular.
Isn't Steam being sued in Germany right now for the used game sale policy?

The EU's a whole different ballgame. It'd be interesting to see how people would respond if the European courts struck this down but they kept on doing it in the US.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 06, 2013, 04:53:41 PM
Most likely there will be a means to let a friend borrow a game.  Perhaps like Barnesand Nobles Lend a book, and that may allow rental shops to still function.  Or MS could just set up a means to download and sample every game before buying.  But I do think this is worse for gamers, but great for the industry....at least on paper.  If MS did this, but required MSRP to be 10 dollars cheaper, that would help cut the blow.  If the industry could get games to 39.99 a game, I believe itcould do better all around.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kytim89 on February 06, 2013, 05:01:09 PM
Gamestop is expected to close 500 stores this year, so if Sony and Microsoft abolish used games then Gamestop might very well go under.


http://gamercheeese.com/2013/02/03/gamestop-to-close-500-stores-in-2013/


2012 annual sales figures were recently released, and according to Business Insider, the used game juggernaut is downsizing across the country. At least 500 GameStop stores are potentially closing their doors, and there aren’t too many gamers that are sad to hear it.[/size]In the wake of subpar sales, smear campaigns by rental companies like GameFly, and a general loss of respect by frequent customers, GameStop has been slowly losing business for a while. Many major retailers like Best Buy and Target are already carrying previously owned games. Meanwhile, digital gaming is taking control, and despite the efforts to start selling prepaid Steam gift cards, most gamers are staying away from GameStop.[/color]GameStop’s future becomes bleaker when considering the next Microsoft and Sony consoles may or may not support used games. On top of that uncertainty, Game Stop also has to compete with the rise of online phone games, indie games, and a potential wave of microconsoles set to release over the next year.[/color]This would leave GameStop to the hardcore gamer wolves. The only product they would be able to move would be the Wii U, new games, and outdated titles. When is the last time anyone walked into a GameStop and they made a retro gamer feel welcome? Odds are pretty decent that 500 closed doors will mark the beginning of the death of a long line of absorbed game store outlets (including the once great EB Games).[/color]GameStop isn’t evaporating overnight, but this is definitely a huge ‘I told you so’ in the eyes of many gamers who have become increasingly fed up with poor customer service, overpriced titles, and the general lack of industry knowledge by many GameStop employees.[/color]I have come across a handful of knowledgeable, polite, and even helpful GameStop employees. I hope the stores these employees work at are some of the many stores to remain open.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 06, 2013, 05:13:23 PM
Sony and Microsoft would not be stupid enough to sell consoles that have to always be online and can't play used games, like they would tank majorly and the Board of Directors for both would revolt and fire Kaz Hirai and Steve Ballmer.

And the write of that blog will never be a professional journalist since they have an obvious bias against GameStop. GameStop going under would be bad for gamers. For one, Best Buy and Target barely have any used games (Target practically has none), and GameStop carries many niche titles that electronics stores don't.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 06, 2013, 06:05:10 PM
If doing this would get Microsoft to fire Steve Ballmer I really hope they're going to do it. He has no business being a CEO.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 06, 2013, 08:11:12 PM
Well, there are plenty of ways that this could happen and protect companies like Gamestop. 

1) A small fee could be sold for a used game to be reactivated.  This could be substantially less as an incentive for Game Stop, but could also be accessed for just regular gamers selling to there friends.

2) Microsoft could provide a service for authorized used game sellers to reactivate or get a new code.  This could be used to help provide rental games to players as well.

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Post by: MagicCow64 on February 06, 2013, 08:24:54 PM
I'm fairly certain this is coming. There've been rumbles about this for months for both Sony and MicroSoft. It's terrible, but they also know that no one's going to shed a tear for Gamestop.

Gamestop could become some authorized reactivation dealer, but that amounts to a significant tax on used games. And taxes like this pass on to the consumer, which would pretty much erode the three dollar margin between a used and new major release that presumably generates Gamestop's profit margin.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 06, 2013, 08:41:23 PM
Gamers would be hurt significantly if GameStop went out of business. For one, they are pretty much the only source of used games (Best Buy and Target barely carry any), they also carry many niche games that other retailers don't.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 06, 2013, 09:25:17 PM
Their being the only source of used games would be pretty much negated by the consoles blocking used games.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 06, 2013, 11:16:03 PM
Most likely there will be a means to let a friend borrow a game.  Perhaps like Barnesand Nobles Lend a book, and that may allow rental shops to still function.  Or MS could just set up a means to download and sample every game before buying.  But I do think this is worse for gamers, but great for the industry....at least on paper.  If MS did this, but required MSRP to be 10 dollars cheaper, that would help cut the blow.  If the industry could get games to 39.99 a game, I believe itcould do better all around.


Well, that ain't happening.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 07, 2013, 12:12:03 AM
Shyguy:  Yeah I know it isn't happening...and that is one of the biggest hurdles keeping me out of gaming.  It is just too blasted expensive these days.

Now, I personally understand why developers want to get rid of used games...it is a killer on the system.  However, MS and Sony could figure out a way of doing this without relying on the console being online all the time.  Just automatic system authorization via system being online to hooked up to the internet during first play.  Your console is automatically registered for that game and then DRM technology could keep you from playing it on another system, unless you are logged into your Xbox Live account, so you can bring it to a friends house to play.  Then Microsoft could allow you to de-authorize your system for the game and allow you to trade it in...if they so included. 

This could be used as a means to help stop pirating.  Then if your system is not online when you register your Xbox 360, you could be able to authorize your game via your computer with an Xbox Live app. 

This won't be marketed as killing the used game market, but a means to combat piracy...and if the industry is moving this direction they better do it carefully...so that consumers do not get ticked off by the system. 

Also, I do not think this would mean a large increase in used game prices if you had to re-register with MS and Sony to get a new number...solely because the used market games is fairly fixed in that it can never be higher than the new game in print...or at least shouldn't.  And, Game Stop is already charging more than they ever should for used games.   

Now, I am definitely not in favor of this idea...I think it sucks, and is the wrong direction...however I understand why this direction is happening, and I don't fault the developers or console makers at all for looking at this solution.  Unfortunately for games the profits outweigh the negatives.
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Post by: azeke on February 07, 2013, 01:05:28 AM
What are they even trying to achieve with used game sales ban?

Do they think they can strongarm people who buy games for 5 bucks tops into buying 60$ new? Or people who only rent or trade in "blockbuster" 4 hour movie style games?

Will that move generate new sales at all?
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 02:16:06 AM
What are they even trying to achieve with used game sales ban?

Nothing, they are just greedy bastards that want to squeeze every cent out people to please their stockholders even if that means screwing with the people that buys their products in the first place.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 02:16:38 AM
[size=78%]Nothing, they are just greedy bastards that want to squeeze every cent out people to please their stockholders even if that means screwing with the people that buys their products in the first place.[/size]

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Post by: shingi_70 on February 07, 2013, 06:10:06 AM
[size=78%]Nothing, they are just greedy bastards that want to squeeze every cent out people to please their stockholders even if that means screwing with the people that buys their products in the first place.[/size]

Yes because getting money for a product they made as posed to a third party is so fucking greedy.


Spare me. I use gamestop a bit and I'll even admit that  in the londrun it's a worse for devs than waiting for those sweet sweet bomba prices hence what like season passes.
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Post by: azeke on February 07, 2013, 06:23:04 AM
I use gamestop a bit and I'll even admit that  in the londrun it's a worse for devs than waiting for those sweet sweet bomba prices hence what like season passes.
Yeah, but it's not like season passes will go anywhere...

...

Oh wait that was a brainfart... Season passes WILL disappear if there are no used games, right?
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Post by: Ceric on February 07, 2013, 10:03:14 AM
Nothing, they are just greedy bastards that want to squeeze every cent out people to please their stockholders even if that means screwing with the people that buys their products in the first place.
You just descriped Corporate America and a Capitilistic nation.  How much can they bleed you till its too much.  See Cable and Phone as good examples as well.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 07, 2013, 10:43:05 AM
The verge posted an article about how micrpapft is improving voice control for the new xbox.

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Microsoft will greatly improve its speech recognition technology inside the next Xbox, The Verge has learned. Sources familiar with Microsoft's Xbox plans have revealed that Durango, the codename for the next Xbox, will support wake on voice, natural language controls, and speech-to-text. The improved capabilities mean that Xbox users will be able to walk into a room and simply say "Xbox on" to wake up the new Xbox.[\quote]

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We understand that Microsoft is also investigating scenarios where a Kinect sensor will detect individuals in a room and suggest appropriate multiplayer games after a user queries the Xbox using voice. The support will include natural language detection, similar to Apple's Siri service, that will let users ask things like "what are my friends playing" to receive a friends list. Xbox will also reply back to users with answers to queries, making it an improved search service too. The current Xbox 360 console lacks natural interaction and context, we're told that's a big focus of the new speech recognition in the new Xbox.

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Users will also be able to automatically resume video content where it left off simply by asking the new Xbox to play a particular movie. With speech-to-text built-in, it's likely that Microsoft will utilize this support to type out messages using the new Xbox. It's widely expected that Skype will make its Xbox debut on the new console. Microsoft will fully detail its new Xbox at E3 this year, with suggestions from sources that the company may hold a separate event to unveil its new hardware ahead of E3. The new Xbox is expected to be released later this year

**** yeah its hard enough as is too just press the big Xbox on my controller to turn the system on.

Also reading into this I think the always online edge rumor is either bullshit or miscommunication.

The next Xbox will be always on but that doesn't exactly mean it can't be used offline.  Take the apple TV it can't be turned off but runs in a low power mode when not in use.

I do find it odd that the Xbox has pretty good voice controls yet windows 8 and windows phone is lacking in this regard.


Also episode three of microsofts point and click adventure game Adera is out.

(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/en-EN-Adera_Episode_1_Boxart_415x569-218x300.png)
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/en-EN-Adera_Episode_1_GDNPScreenshot3_1000x562.png)

They also announced monster love candy for windows 8 which is coming soon.

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Microsoft Studios, in collaboration with award-winning game developer Other Ocean Interactive, announce today Monsters Love Candy, a puzzle adventure game with innovative new chain combo swipe and match gameplay. The free-to-play game, with more than 70 levels in 5 world locations, incorporates fast-paced puzzle-matching action with the search and discovery of more than 170 unique and adorable monsters that you can adopt. Feed them colorful candy as you clear the board in under sixty seconds and watch them evolve! The asynchronous multiplayer gameplay allows you to challenge your friends, trading scores and logging achievements on Xbox LIVE.

(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/555249_288954497896727_580301240_n1.png)

(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/819183_291365837655593_709782972_o.jpg)

Zen Studios announced that castlestorm is coming to XBLA and Windows 8 in April.
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CastleStorm was originally announced last May and slated for digital release in summer 2012. The title is set in a medieval world overrun with vikings and blends tower defense with 2.5D graphics and a physics-based destruction system.

Players will have access to an arsenal of medieval weapons to defend castles against enemy attack, such as morningstars, apple grenades and even flying sheep. Knights, axe throwers, healers and other fighters on foot can be trained and sent into the field to prevent opponents from overrunning the castle and capturing the player's flag.

Each of the main campaign's 12 different castle environments has its own set of objectives and specific rewards for each. Players can choose to end the level by capturing the enemy flag, destroy their castle or complete certain objectives. The game also includes online multiplayer and co-op modes.

Zen Studios has also added a tower editor with which players can build their own castles. Each construction choice will determine what types of resources and soldiers will be available for combat. Winning battles will level up troops and unlock access to new weapons and soldier classes.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 07, 2013, 02:30:32 PM
Nothing, they are just greedy bastards that want to squeeze every cent out people to please their stockholders even if that means screwing with the people that buys their products in the first place.
You just descriped Corporate America and a Capitilistic nation.  How much can they bleed you till its too much.  See Cable and Phone as good examples as well.


The same reason why the videogame industry is going down the **** hole and towards monopolism the same as att and such companies.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 11, 2013, 08:05:57 PM
New rumors say that not only will Kinect be much improved in the Xbox 3, but also that it will be shipped with the system and be REQUIRED for the system to even function.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/11/xbox-720-to-reportedly-require-kinect-to-function-support-multitasking
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 11, 2013, 08:10:02 PM
Always online, locked out used games and mandatory Kinect. Microsoft can't be that stupid, can they? That's the kind of arrogance you saw from Sony leading into the PS3.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 11, 2013, 08:32:44 PM
Always online, locked out used games and mandatory Kinect. Microsoft can't be that stupid, can they? That's the kind of arrogance you saw from Sony leading into the PS3.

since Xbox became the new synonym for video game console, I'd say they've reached that point of arrogance like Sony and Nintendo before it. Let them learn their lesson.
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Post by: azeke on February 11, 2013, 09:11:47 PM
New rumors say that not only will Kinect be much improved in the Xbox 3, but also that it will be shipped with the system and be REQUIRED for the system to even function.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/11/xbox-720-to-reportedly-require-kinect-to-function-support-multitasking
I am kinda excited about new Kinect. If they will be able to eliminate lag and provide more "games" in the vein of Happy Action Theatre (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEcYdtq9yFY&noredirect=1) -- i'm in.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 11, 2013, 09:20:04 PM
Always online, locked out used games and mandatory Kinect. Microsoft can't be that stupid, can they? That's the kind of arrogance you saw from Sony leading into the PS3.
see windows 8 desktop...
their 18 attempts at entering the smartphone market
zune
charging to let your xbox use the internet your ALREADY paying for
yes they are that stupid
and dont get me started on sony
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2013, 09:34:14 PM
New rumors say that not only will Kinect be much improved in the Xbox 3, but also that it will be shipped with the system and be REQUIRED for the system to even function.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/11/xbox-720-to-reportedly-require-kinect-to-function-support-multitasking

Isn't that one of the early rumors?
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 11, 2013, 10:47:32 PM
Don't think Microsoft is going to do it. No ones wants to be the guy who kills used games despite pubs probably really wanting it. That and the rumor is from Kotaku and Super DAE who aren't exactly trust worthy.

Also at the one of the All things D events Microsoft renamed Microsoft Studios LA to Xbox Entertainment Studios.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/02/microsoftdmedia-2013.jpg)

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/microsoft-xbox-360-premium-content-plans-entertainment/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/microsoft-xbox-360-premium-content-plans-entertainment/)
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/features/2013/feb13/02-11Xbox.aspx (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/features/2013/feb13/02-11Xbox.aspx)

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Yusuf Mehdi, senior vice president of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business, just sat down alongside Nancy Tellem, Corporate Vice President at Microsoft LA Studios, to kick off this year's rendition of D:Dive Into Media here in Dana Point, Calif. The first session of the evening is being piloted by AllThingsD's Peter Kafka, and naturally, the topic of conversation is Xbox. For starters, Mehdi affirmed that Microsoft is witnessing an unmistakable transition of the Xbox 360 "from a gaming console to an entertainment console." At present, the install base is up to 76 million (up from around 70 million at the close of September 2012), with US-based users using the console for some 87 hours per month.

In fact, he stated that 18 billion (yeah, with a "B") hours of entertainment have been consumed on Xbox, and while Netflix is obviously the driving force, it might not be that way for much longer. He was quick to claim that Sony's PlayStation 3 "isn't as good of an entertainment console" -- something he feels that "everybody knows" -- and insinuated that the next-generation Xbox will stick to "big and premium." In other words, don't expect Microsoft to kick out a $50 Roku-style content box. Mehdi wants to ensure that the future of Xbox enables voice control, interactivity, and "other stuff that's big and beautiful."


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Kicking the conversation over to Tellem, she affirmed that Microsoft is going to invest in premium content -- and in fact, said that she "hopes" for some of it to actually hit end users this year. Not surprisingly, folks are going to be asked to pay for it, but she wasn't willing to talk specifics. Of course, existing Xbox Live users are technically already paying, so it's possible that this new wave of content will be bundled into that monthly cost. When asked if Microsoft was planning to fund its own shows (much like Amazon and Netflix are doing), she seemed open to the idea, but also noted that Microsoft will absolutely partner with existing studios and content creators in order to give them yet another outlet (read: not pay-TV) to get people hooked.

Finally, she noted that there's "more latitude" in what kinds of material they can produce given that console distribution isn't as regulated as traditional broadcast. And, while a good deal of it will aim to satisfy the 18-24 male demographic, we're told that womenfolk and families will be looked after, too. Oh, and as for these Microsoft-funded shows hitting other distribution outlets? According to Tellem, that's unlikely -- at least at first -- but a sizable enough check from the likes of Hulu, Amazon, Sony, etc. could very well change that. In response to a question from TechCrunch's Ryan Lawler, Tellem noted that Microsoft's desire to churn out original, interactive entertainment is a way to both "move consoles, create new relationships with consumers and to expand [Microsoft's] audience," and from a higher level, to create the next generation of TV and "have it be a hit."

Also got this info graphic
(http://www.microsoft.com/global/en-us/news/publishingimages/features/2013/02-11Xboxinfo_Web.jpg)


This was pretty interesting as well

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On the premium content front, Microsoft is once again dabbling in producing original material. Former CBS executive Nancy Tellem talked about the 125-person production studio Microsoft has opened in Santa Monica with a goal of having its first fruits land in the living room later this year.

On the distribution front, Mehdi said that the company isn’t looking to compete with cable TV and satellite, but instead intends to be a good partner with those companies. (Microsoft does have a separate TV software business that powers services such as AT&T’s U-verse.)

Studio already has around 125 people and have its first content ready for this year.

Microsoft's previous in house live action works were the Alan Wake Brought Falls series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhlRIveyfEs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And the Halo: Forward unto Dawn series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca3Y8Ws3plI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 11, 2013, 11:01:07 PM
Kotaku has a good reputation for being reliable.

Also, DaE is the person who sold a Durango devkit on eBay and is the one responsible for posting the Orbis and Durango devkit specs that many people think are real.


shingi, do you work for Microsoft? You are always shilling for them. Either you work for them or you are a MS fanboy (which is fine, but it's excessive).
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 12, 2013, 01:47:54 AM
Always online, locked out used games and mandatory Kinect. Microsoft can't be that stupid, can they? That's the kind of arrogance you saw from Sony leading into the PS3.

since Xbox became the new synonym for video game console, I'd say they've reached that point of arrogance like Sony and Nintendo before it. Let them learn their lesson.


Synonym for FPS, third person shooters and expensive online play.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 12, 2013, 01:52:36 AM
expensive online play.

Since when is $5 a month "expensive"? Even less if you find Xbox Live cards at a discount.
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Post by: alegoicoe on February 12, 2013, 02:07:29 AM
expensive online play.

Since when is $5 a month "expensive"? Even less if you find Xbox Live cards at a discount.


Well PSN and Nintendo network are both free, so charging for a service that you already pay for in the first place is pretty shitty.
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Post by: Adrock on February 12, 2013, 07:04:55 AM
Mandatory Kinect can go to hell. It makes sense to package it with every unit so it gets used. I just don't like the idea of a machine that is supposedly connected online all the time with a camera that needs to be plugged in to function. Always online + always on motion detecting camera sounds like a terrible idea. I don't want that in my living room. I don't want that in my bedroom. I do not like that in a house. I do not like that with a mouse. I do not like that here or there. I do not like Kinect. I do not like that Microsoft.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 12, 2013, 07:37:12 AM
expensive online play.

Since when is $5 a month "expensive"? Even less if you find Xbox Live cards at a discount.

when your already paying for internet and then have to pay again to use it with one specific device is where my problem comes from
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Post by: Ceric on February 12, 2013, 08:51:32 AM
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He was quick to claim that Sony's PlayStation 3 "isn't as good of an entertainment console" -- something he feels that "everybody knows"
I couldn't stop laughing there.  I'll get to the rest of the post but, yeah... No.  Just No.
Mandatory Kinect can go to hell. It makes sense to package it with every unit so it gets used. I just don't like the idea of a machine that is supposedly connected online all the time with a camera that needs to be plugged in to function. Always online + always on motion detecting camera sounds like a terrible idea. I don't want that in my living room. I don't want that in my bedroom. I do not like that in a house. I do not like that with a mouse. I do not like that here or there. I do not like Kinect. I do not like that Microsoft.
But if you keep going with that story then they will eventually convince you to like it.
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Post by: Adrock on February 12, 2013, 09:02:22 AM
Ha, true.

In all seriousness, I'm not comfortable with a required camera. Kind of creeps me out.
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 12, 2013, 01:20:45 PM
Ha, true.

In all seriousness, I'm not comfortable with a required camera. Kind of creeps me out.
Creeps me out too.  If you're online, does it send data back to Microsoft telling them what you are doing while playing or watching something? They are bashing Google for collecting user data, but requiring the Kinect to always be connected seems like they want to do the same thing in a different way.
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Post by: Do_What on February 12, 2013, 02:03:28 PM
How many of those live users are like me and don't pay for Gold? I'm a member, but I don't use any of the entertainment features because I don't want to pay to use netflix or amazon or anything. I just feel like that 46 million number may not be telling the story Microsoft wants it to.
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Post by: Ceric on February 12, 2013, 02:11:36 PM
How many of those live users are like me and don't pay for Gold? I'm a member, but I don't use any of the entertainment features because I don't want to pay to use netflix or amazon or anything. I just feel like that 46 million number may not be telling the story Microsoft wants it to.
Yeah, I also be very surprised to find more then say 10% of PS3 owners who never used their PS3 for multimedia, pretty much anything thats not games and web browsing.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 12, 2013, 02:18:29 PM
How many of those live users are like me and don't pay for Gold? I'm a member, but I don't use any of the entertainment features because I don't want to pay to use netflix or amazon or anything. I just feel like that 46 million number may not be telling the story Microsoft wants it to.

Not sure the current number, but in December 2010 Microsoft said 50% of Xbox Live members had Gold subscriptions. At the time there were 25 million Live members, meaning about 12.5 million people were Gold subscribers.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 12, 2013, 07:35:26 PM
That always online camera stuff really does make uncomfortable.  I just wouldn't buy the new Xbox, end of story.  But then I realized as we all become more and more connected to the internet, that I feel like becoming more of a luddite, clinging to my old technology.  Privacy does not seem to be something that the younger generation values anymore, but I do, so stuff like Facebook and Google selling my usage statistics in exchange for using their free services kind of freak me out.  I can think of younger co-workers of mine who wouldn't give two shits about always online Kinect being able to, in theory, watch them.  But for me that betrays something that was emphasized as important throughout my entire childhood.

If always-online becomes the norm for videogame systems I can see myself sticking to classic systems.
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 12, 2013, 07:35:48 PM
How many of those live users are like me and don't pay for Gold? I'm a member, but I don't use any of the entertainment features because I don't want to pay to use netflix or amazon or anything. I just feel like that 46 million number may not be telling the story Microsoft wants it to.
Yeah, I also be very surprised to find more then say 10% of PS3 owners who never used their PS3 for multimedia, pretty much anything thats not games and web browsing.
Why do you think this?  It's free for PS3 members to use the multimedia aspects of it.  It costs money on the 360.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 12, 2013, 07:50:24 PM
Always online, locked out used games and mandatory Kinect. Microsoft can't be that stupid, can they? That's the kind of arrogance you saw from Sony leading into the PS3.

since Xbox became the new synonym for video game console, I'd say they've reached that point of arrogance like Sony and Nintendo before it. Let them learn their lesson.


Synonym for FPS, third person shooters and expensive online play.

with COD selling year after year the way it does, F/TPS and expensive online play are synonymous with video games too :P

Mandatory Kinect can go to hell. It makes sense to package it with every unit so it gets used. I just don't like the idea of a machine that is supposedly connected online all the time with a camera that needs to be plugged in to function. Always online + always on motion detecting camera sounds like a terrible idea. I don't want that in my living room. I don't want that in my bedroom. I do not like that in a house. I do not like that with a mouse. I do not like that here or there. I do not like Kinect. I do not like that Microsoft.

While it ended a little weak, I still nominate this as post of the year.
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Post by: Ceric on February 12, 2013, 08:07:15 PM
How many of those live users are like me and don't pay for Gold? I'm a member, but I don't use any of the entertainment features because I don't want to pay to use netflix or amazon or anything. I just feel like that 46 million number may not be telling the story Microsoft wants it to.
Yeah, I also be very surprised to find more then say 10% of PS3 owners who never used their PS3 for multimedia, pretty much anything thats not games and web browsing.
Why do you think this?  It's free for PS3 members to use the multimedia aspects of it.  It costs money on the 360.
Thats why I be surprised if more than 10% of the PS3 users never used their PS3 for Multimedia.



That always online camera stuff really does make uncomfortable.  I just wouldn't buy the new Xbox, end of story.  But then I realized as we all become more and more connected to the internet, that I feel like becoming more of a luddite, clinging to my old technology.  Privacy does not seem to be something that the younger generation values anymore, but I do, so stuff like Facebook and Google selling my usage statistics in exchange for using their free services kind of freak me out.  I can think of younger co-workers of mine who wouldn't give two shits about always online Kinect being able to, in theory, watch them.  But for me that betrays something that was emphasized as important throughout my entire childhood.


If always-online becomes the norm for videogame systems I can see myself sticking to classic systems.
Glad you realize that Facebook and Google are not actually free. Capitalism at work.  Younger generation grow up with it.  I personally deal with a lot of Data in my job.  Data is only powerful if used but, somethings people really want to keep secret I don't understand.  My health records and DNA are not really anything I'm overly concerned with.  Health Records only matter to Insurance and they get all of those.  DNA you can't Clone people, its not used for any financial reason, etc.  I mean the worse is having someone tailor a virus to your DNA or finding a Child you didn't know you had.  In my case:
1) No one wants to Assisinate and if they did all they have to do is send poison laced cookies to work.
2) I only have 1 child despite trying very hard to have another.


Now Social Security and Driver license.  Alright I understand that but, those are only powerful because you can use them to identify themselves and all that entails.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 13, 2013, 11:41:33 AM
Ceric, if you don't place a high value on your personal health info, that's fine, you can always freely consent to its use and disclosure. But surely you realize you are in the minority here? Society in general recognizes that personal health info is among the most sensitive and deeply personal and worthy of the highest levels of protections. There are whole acts/laws devoted to just that that include stringent penalties for breaches.
It's not lways just about money...
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Post by: oohhboy on February 13, 2013, 12:22:07 PM
Your medical information is incredible sensitive to you and others around. With it you can be attacked, discriminated against, blackmailed and not to mention identity theft.
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Post by: Ceric on February 13, 2013, 01:26:57 PM
Your medical information is incredible sensitive to you and others around. With it you can be attacked, discriminated against, blackmailed and not to mention identity theft.
Besides discrimination.  How?

How can you really steal my identity with my Health information?  Remember Social Security Number is not Health information and Date of Birth and Name is part of the Public Record.

How can I be Attacked by my Health Information?  Unless you are going through the trouble of tailoring something specifically for me.  If you go through that much cost and trouble you could get that information anyways.

Blackmail in my case would not work.  I've been part of interviews for Security Clearance before.  One of the interesting things I learned is your sexual orientation didn't matter but, HIDING your sexual orientation could cost you clearance because, that could be used to blackmail you.

Discrimination I even addressed some.  Though that can happen for many reasons.

In the end I think the real reason is that we do not like someone else knowing something we consider base to ourselves and exclusive.  The usefulness of the information is not overly relevant its the idea of knowing its mine and only the ones I choose know it.

I have more to say but that broaches straight into politics.

Suffice it to say that I be more upset if someone shared naked pictures of me on the Internet because of my low self image then I would be if my straight medical history where out their.  Now the day we start using straight biometrics for more things my opinion will probably change.  Though with an always on Camera the whole naked picture thing would be vastly more likely.
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Post by: broodwars on February 13, 2013, 04:09:52 PM
How many of those live users are like me and don't pay for Gold? I'm a member, but I don't use any of the entertainment features because I don't want to pay to use netflix or amazon or anything. I just feel like that 46 million number may not be telling the story Microsoft wants it to.

Yeah, I'm also a Silver member by choice, because I personally believe the Gold service is a colossal rip-off considering all I'd want from it would be online play and download sales.  And incidentally, both of those things are available to me for free on my PS3, even if Sony's download times border on the obscene.  I pay for PlayStation Plus, but the benefits of that service are laughably greater than what Microsoft's offering and you get more than a return on your investment there in discounts and "free" games.

I'll be really interested to see if Microsoft will still be able to get away with charging for online play in the next incarnation of the XBox, considering no one else does.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 13, 2013, 11:15:59 PM
Hey Ceric, I hear you have anal warts!
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on February 14, 2013, 01:43:10 AM
Hey Ceric, I hear you have anal warts!

That guy has anal warts?? Toss out his resume post-haste!
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Post by: Shaymin on February 14, 2013, 05:47:30 AM
hay guyz wuts goin on in this thread


No, seriously, WTF is going on here?
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on February 14, 2013, 06:57:17 AM
I don't know but since I accidentally posted in this thread, it will curse my unread topics page forever. I guess we were highlighting the importance of internet privacy when you use online services, such as that of the XBoxen?

Anyway, whatever Microsoft hurfs out for the next generation, it's probably a day 1 purchase for me barring any colossal fuckups. I got the 360 after I got a Wii and PS3, and ended up playing on the 360 almost exclusively, mostly due to it offering the best online play. That's the #1 thing I'm looking for and will look for in the next generation.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 14, 2013, 07:40:19 AM
I don't know but since I accidentally posted in this thread, it will curse my unread topics page forever. I guess we were highlighting the importance of internet privacy when you use online services, such as that of the XBoxen?

Anyway, whatever Microsoft hurfs out for the next generation, it's probably a day 1 purchase for me barring any colossal fuckups. I got the 360 after I got a Wii and PS3, and ended up playing on the 360 almost exclusively, mostly due to it offering the best online play. That's the #1 thing I'm looking for and will look for in the next generation.
that is a problem i have with the forums
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 14, 2013, 08:39:33 AM
I have to agree that Microsoft had one hell of an online package. 

Yes you had to pay for it, but I still believe you got a great deal, at least for the gold package.  Fast downloads, good matching, and party systems, a great list of downloadable games, demos, movies of upcoming games and it just seemed to work. 

I am worried about having to have an always online system.  I think forcing some sort of registration of a game be it seamlessly through online connection on bootup or through another means is more acceptable practice.  And I am curious to see how Microsoft improves its controller...specially the D-Pad.

I really wish I could support Nintendo this generation, because I love Nintendo games more than any other games, but Nintendo is just not doing it for me lately.  If I get a new system it isn't going to be Nintendo, it is probably going to be Microsoft. 
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 14, 2013, 11:48:12 AM
Banish Spak-Spang!
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 14, 2013, 01:54:10 PM
I have to agree that Microsoft had one hell of an online package. 

Yes you had to pay for it, but I still believe you got a great deal, at least for the silver package.  Fast downloads, good matching, and party systems, a great list of downloadable games, demos, movies of upcoming games and it just seemed to work. 

I am worried about having to have an always online system.  I think forcing some sort of registration of a game be it seamlessly through online connection on bootup or through another means is more acceptable practice.  And I am curious to see how Microsoft improves its controller...specially the D-Pad.

I really wish I could support Nintendo this generation, because I love Nintendo games more than any other games, but Nintendo is just not doing it for me lately.  If I get a new system it isn't going to be Nintendo, it is probably going to be Microsoft. 


yes but i just want online play, a store, and maybe voice chat.. i dont really care about the extras and i already have internet. what makes the xbox so special that i should pay a seperate fee just so somebody at microsoft can flip a switch and let me do things i can already do on the PS3 or Wii U(including online services like netflix that i'm also already paying for)
and the silver package you cant play online at all making some multiplayer only games outright useless
all your getting that isn't found elsewhere is cross game chat and some early dlc. 60 dollars is not worth it
people complain about on disc dlc and that's exactly what xbox live charges for
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 14, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
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Kinect has changed the Microsoft policy. They have changed the hardcore games for Kinect games. RARE abandoned IPs like Banjo, Killer Instinct for casual games. Only Halo, Forza and Gears of War stay with us.

Epic hinted a Gears of War only for Kinect. This game is called Gears of War: Tactics (temptative title). A RTS based on GoW franchise. We would like to show you pictures of this game, those pictures are extracted from a previous footage. The graphics are poor, obviously, the video showed a game in works, probably an alpha version, maybe more primitive.

In Tactics you can take the control of four players. Draw a path with your finger until the place you want to move the character and later you choose an action (or make and action and move later, like you want). One by one or groups, you have the control.

Epic Games were developing the game for Xbox 360, but now probably they moved the project to Durango.

http://www.vgleaks.com/gears-of-war-tactics-first-screens-alpha-work/

(http://files-cdn.formspring.me/photos/20120527/n4fc1b541d60f0.jpg)
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 14, 2013, 06:32:07 PM
The quote above sounds like Xbox players are now feeling like some Nintendo players (ie: me) felt like with the Wii.  Casual stuff makes MORE money with a LESSER product.  Only principles towards game quality that stand ahead of monetary gain would truly keep a company from pursuing it.

But I've read it on other forums.  "Kinect has made a Microsoft go casual" is a somewhat common opinion.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 14, 2013, 07:57:21 PM
The quote above sounds like Xbox players are now feeling like some Nintendo players (ie: me) felt like with the Wii.  Casual stuff makes MORE money with a LESSER product.  Only principles towards game quality that stand ahead of monetary gain would truly keep a company from pursuing it.

But I've read it on other forums.  "Kinect has made a Microsoft go casual" is a somewhat common opinion.

Depends retail they have slowed down to only releasing Kinect and big tent pole core games like Halo. But they have been making a ton of games on XBLA which balances out IMO.

Its pretty evident that most of Microsoft studios (existing ones as well as new ones are done with 3the 0 and focusing on Druango.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 15, 2013, 12:22:28 AM
Oops...My mistake on the post I meant Gold and not Silver package. 
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 15, 2013, 07:40:02 AM
Oops...My mistake on the post I meant Gold and not Silver package. 
you still haven't answered my question
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 17, 2013, 01:37:14 PM
(http://www.onlysp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/yAE7icI.jpg)

Edit: looks like its not from the video but was leaked before it in relation with it.

Looks like earlier rumors of either loop or infinity  were on the money.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 17, 2013, 02:11:34 PM
Looks like alot of the early rumors may have some ground in reality.

pretty much just waiting to see if there will be 2 SKU's. one with a disc drive, and one more casual set-top box-ish without a disc drive. Everything else I can remember off the top of my head seems to still be rumored/leaked.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 17, 2013, 03:35:50 PM
triple skus if you count a new subscription/rip-off plan.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 17, 2013, 04:07:38 PM
Im putting my Xbox live thing on a seperate thread before we get sidetracked. I thought it was a simple question
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 17, 2013, 09:26:12 PM
triple skus if you count a new subscription/rip-off plan.

Well by SKU I think he means just the hardware and not the ways to sell it.

And you might think its a rip off but there are tons a of consumers who will eat it up and if planned right Microsoft could grab some serious market share very quickly.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 17, 2013, 09:51:00 PM
I wouldn't really call it a ripoff either. Cellphones have been sold like that for years. It's exactly the same principle. Now, if you feel that Xbox Live itself is a ripoff, then that's a different argument.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 17, 2013, 10:03:00 PM
I wouldn't really call it a ripoff either. Cellphones have been sold like that for years. It's exactly the same principle. Now, if you feel that Xbox Live itself is a ripoff, then that's a different argument.
Depends on the price of the system itself
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 18, 2013, 07:03:01 AM
Even if you include the price of the system and it is more expensive than buying the system start up and the Live service...it still may not be a ripoff.

You are getting a deferred purchase.  Buying something on credit, which has risk to the investor...being Microsoft, so interest in the form of a higher ending price for Live and the console after 2-3 years whatever is to be expected.  You can judge whether the end cost was worth the deferred payment or not, but you still were able to get a system for cheaper than you should have been able to buy it. 

Nothing is free, and that "benefit" costs in the end.  And it could be quite a huge benefit.  Imagine if you only had to pay $99.99 for the new Xbox instead of $499.99 you have just saved $300.00 which you could use to buy 2 games and another controller.  Which means for $260.00 for a new system two games and another controller to play with a friend.  That investment is fairly doable. 

However, 2 games and another controller and a new system could be out of reach for many gamers when it ends up costing $660.00.

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Post by: Ceric on February 18, 2013, 09:00:05 AM
But that whole scenario also plays out if you just use a Credit Card.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 18, 2013, 10:59:13 AM
Not everyone has a credit card, or enough room on a credit card to put a purchase that large.

Think about the children financially irresponsible and the monetarily deprived!
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Post by: Ceric on February 18, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
If its below $1000 getting a card for it isn't hard.  About any retailer will do it.  Either way I think its a somewhat bad Idea but at least one way you can pay out early.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 18, 2013, 03:18:40 PM
I wouldn't really call it a ripoff either. Cellphones have been sold like that for years. It's exactly the same principle. Now, if you feel that Xbox Live itself is a ripoff, then that's a different argument.

The difference with cell phones is you need a subscription so they can fufill their primary function. You have to have airtime minutes to use the phone! With a console, you can play a video game disc with no connection. At least you used to, we will see what shenanigans Microsoft and Sony get up to this next generation.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 20, 2013, 10:35:27 PM
Airtime minutes ????

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Post by: Ceric on February 20, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
Airtime minutes ????


That makes me feel old.  The actual service itself.  Having say an iPhone with no Cell Services makes it an iPod not a cellphone since it couldn't take call.  You need a phone to take calls and you need Airtime/The Network to receive the call.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 21, 2013, 01:57:47 AM
So according to Eurogamer the PS4 will allow used games to be played.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games)


This means if the rumors are true, the 720 would be the only system that blocks used games.  That would basically make the system dead before release.  If the Wii U and PS4 are getting the same multiplatform ports, then nobody expect the most hardcore Halo fans are going to even think about the next Xbox after discovering it doesn't play used games and the others do.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 21, 2013, 11:28:02 AM
Rumour: Microsoft will not reveal next X-Box at E-3. It will wait until a week before PS4 launch and have its own blowout reveal press conference. Release date: June 2014.


I just made all that up. It is based on my reaction to the PS4 reveal.
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 21, 2013, 01:46:41 PM
Rumour: Microsoft will not reveal next X-Box at E-3. It will wait until a week before PS4 launch and have its own blowout reveal press conference. Release date: June 2014.


I just made all that up. It is based on my reaction to the PS4 reveal.
Nice idea, but expect an announcement about an event in March soon.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 21, 2013, 02:18:24 PM
I wouldn't really call it a ripoff either. Cellphones have been sold like that for years. It's exactly the same principle. Now, if you feel that Xbox Live itself is a ripoff, then that's a different argument.

The difference with cell phones is you need a subscription so they can fufill their primary function. You have to have airtime minutes to use the phone! With a console, you can play a video game disc with no connection. At least you used to, we will see what shenanigans Microsoft and Sony get up to this next generation.

That's true. But what is MS supposed to do? Just offer the Xbox on layaway? Set you up with a payment plan? Charge interest? Or sell you a service that you can use with your system?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on February 21, 2013, 07:13:34 PM
On the topic of backwards-compatibilty:

Do you think Microsoft will have full backwards-compatibility with the Next Xbox? If they use standardized PC components again, then it may very well be achievable (either through software emulation or miniaturized Xbox 360 chips). All we'd have to do is sign in with our Xbox Live accounts, and all our purchases would be transferred over. Why couldn't Sony make it that easy? It can be done through software emulation.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 21, 2013, 07:24:35 PM
Sony was using a completely different architecture, and emulating the Cell would likely be a pain in the ass. The only way they could have done local BC was by including the Cell chip in the system, which would drive up the price of already-expensive hardware.

Microsoft's now under a lot less pressure to include BC, although on the flipside if they manage to make it so you can play 360 discs on the 720 they've got a leg up on Sony.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on February 21, 2013, 07:29:49 PM
Sony was using a completely different architecture, and emulating the Cell would likely be a pain in the ass. The only way they could have done local BC was by including the Cell chip in the system, which would drive up the price of already-expensive hardware.

Microsoft's now under a lot less pressure to include BC, although on the flipside if they manage to make it so you can play 360 discs on the 720 they've got a leg up on Sony.


If Nintendo is the only one with true backwards-compatibility (Wii U and 3DS), then I feel sad for all those people who traded in their PS3's expecting to play the games on a PS4... And all those PSN purchases will go to waste, since you can't transfer them to the new hardware.


What nonsense is this? If you buy a new Android phone from a different manufacturer, you can still use all your previously-purchased content. It just transfers over when you log into your Google Account.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 21, 2013, 07:35:31 PM
Android phones (and iOS phones and Macs and PCs) don't have massive changes in architecture very often. You also have the fact that with game consoles, especially late in generations, developers have the tendency to "code to the metal" and go outside the SDK and build software that depends on the specific intricacies of the hardware, which isn't possible with basically any other kind of device, and makes it that much harder to implement backwards compatibility.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 21, 2013, 07:49:35 PM
Which begs the question is that wise programming.  We are getting the point in graphics and technology where that additional boost in power isn't really worth not being able to support full backwards compatibility. 

I would rather know I can continue to play my old games because the OS and hardware are designed to be compatible for future generations.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 21, 2013, 08:05:58 PM
Backwards compatibility doesn't matter that much to third parties. They'd rather have the advantage of the best-looking, best-performing games that you get from coding that way. Short of forbidding developers from doing that, which would drive third parties away and give your competitors an advantage, there isn't much chance of getting rid of the practice.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 22, 2013, 07:31:34 AM
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/392950/industry-expects-microsofts-response-to-ps4-in-april/

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A growing number of developers and other industry professionals, some of which are Sony employees, have told CVG that Microsoft will reveal its next generation Xbox for the first time in April.
Quote:
One senior Sony official, who asked not to be named, said he was informed that the PS4 showcase in New York had "at first caught Microsoft off-guard".
"We definitely ruffled some feathers," the person said.

It is said that Microsoft will now showcase its console at a one-off media event in early April - though it is expected that discussion about future tech would be an inevitability if Microsoft engineers and developers attend GDC in March.[\quote]

Was going with late march around GDC myself but I could see them falling in to April instead.
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Post by: Ceric on February 22, 2013, 09:17:22 AM
Which begs the question is that wise programming.  We are getting the point in graphics and technology where that additional boost in power isn't really worth not being able to support full backwards compatibility. 

I would rather know I can continue to play my old games because the OS and hardware are designed to be compatible for future generations.
Backwards compatibility doesn't matter that much to third parties. They'd rather have the advantage of the best-looking, best-performing games that you get from coding that way. Short of forbidding developers from doing that, which would drive third parties away and give your competitors an advantage, there isn't much chance of getting rid of the practice.
Their is really no advantage in the Game Console arena to program for Future Compatibility.  Now that being said.  Microsoft has a little bit of an advantage here.  If you code to the APIs using the XNA architecture you get the Windows version for essentially "free."  That a developer would care about.  PC Versions might not be the initial gang banger but with Steam and like they do have some long legs.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 22, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

GAF ninjas found d this stuff


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The company Eventcore (formerly ustechs) just registered the Domain xboxevent.com yesterday (February 21th)
http://whois.domaintools.com/xboxevent.com

Eventcore plans and executes large events and meetings like 2013 AT&T developer summit (http://www.whois.com/whois/2013devsummit.com) and they only acquire domains for events they are organizing.
https://www.eventcore.com/

They also have MS in their list of references. (e.g. https://microsofthostingsummit.com/)
But especially this:
www.xboxe312.com (google cache) - official site for media registration for E3 2012 Keynote

(http://www.abload.de/img/untitledmboo7.png)

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This event is also managed by Eventcore and the domain was acquired also by them.

Now we compare both sites:

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Post by: shingi_70 on February 24, 2013, 08:59:27 AM
Probably nothing but one of thew big rumors was that Microsoft had a racing game set for launch similar to drive club. There was a rumor of Rare working on a Water based racing game similar to Hydro Thunder. Turn 10 said this would be a good year but I'm just expecting a showing of Forza Motorsport 6 which won't be released into next year.

That leaves the lucid games rumor which the newly formed studio fro,m ex bizzare guys working with you either rare or turn 10 similar to how playground games worked with turn to work of Horizon.

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Now Microsoft has renewed the trademark for project Gotham Racing


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Post by: shingi_70 on February 24, 2013, 06:35:01 PM
The associate Editor of CVG is saying the Xbox event is. April 26th

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Post by: pokepal148 on February 24, 2013, 06:44:56 PM
all kinect
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 25, 2013, 09:34:13 AM
all kinect

Yes a because the $300 million Microsoft put down for partnerships is for nothing but Kinect games. Don't forget all of the new studios they have been developing and grabbing Phil Harrison to restructure their European branch. All for Kinect yep. Those rumors of Ryse dropping being Kincet was a lie. So was the fact that Black Tusk dropped their Kinect project

But seriously expecting all Kinect is pretty dumb. I see their studio line up split between.


Kinect Studios
Rare
Good Science Studio
Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment
Playful Learning( this is a maybe)
Soho Productions
BigPark(sharing small kinect duties)

AAA development studios
Rare
Lionhead
Turn10
blacktusk
343( i expect them to make a halo spinoff)
Platform Next Studios(maybe?)
Bigpark(rumored I believe it)

Smaller niche/arcade studios
Twistedpixel( I think they might surprise us with a big release)
big park
Lift London
Press Play

2nd/3rd Party exclusive studios

Lucid?
crytek
playgroundgames ( I can see them being purchased)
4J Studios
epic ?
Remedy
Signal Studios( I can see them being purchased)
undead labs
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 25, 2013, 01:19:23 PM
Rare doing a AAA game? LOL, they haven't done a game that would be considered AAA (in quality or importance) since 2005.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 25, 2013, 01:52:18 PM
oh and windows 8 metro down your throat(if they havent already)

tbh i imagine the 720 will bring a huge focus to kinect and even using it in conjuction with the standard controller
and i doubt we will see much of an update on the controller
maybe a better D-pad among other minor things
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 25, 2013, 02:26:36 PM
Rare doing a AAA game? LOL, they haven't done a game that would be considered AAA (in quality or importance) since 2005.


Wut


releases since 2005 from Rare along with the adorning meta critic scores




Its mr. Pants 73
Kameo: power of the elements 79
Perfect Dark Zero 81
Viva Pinata 84
Diddy Kong Racing 3D 64
Jetpac refuelled 73
Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradsie 82
Viva Pinata: Pocket Paradise 82
Banjo and Kazzoie: Nuts and Bolts 79
Kinect Sports 73
Kinect Sports 2 66




I find it weird that their is this narrative in the Gaming community (especially the nintendo branches) that rare is dead despite evidence pointing too their games being reviewed Not only that their last two games were critical success and tied to the kinect so most would consider them important.


Even if your one not liking the Studio's current output (kinect/Avatars all day everyday)the studio has gone through a restructuring this past year after Phil Harrison joined Microsoft as the head of Microsoft Studios Europe.


Rare hired Craig Duncan as its Studio head and he has been working their for the past year in that postion and Simon Woodroffe as the Creative Director in April iof last yea.


Not only that but the studo has been Hiring like crazy


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(http://i.minus.com/jdfCVvr2XC1d.png[/img[size=78%]http://i.minus.com/jbzI26OeuuVWlQ.png[/size][size=1]http://i.minus.com/jGnFNajcA8pOz.png[/size][size=1]As well they have een hiring concept artist that clash with the studios pre Harrison direction. [/size][size=1]http://maxdavenportart.blogspot.nl/[/size]http://www.marcocaradonna.blogspot.nl/http://mejorquelarealidad.blogspot.nl/http://i.minus.com/joJ4Ub6jve7tn.png^ dude is the Partner studio Manager at MS Studios The current rumors regarding Rare seem to be-The Studio has at least 2-3 teams with one being an incubation studio.-A job listing from last year alluded to them working on a next gen Action/adeventure game among other things. -One of the games they are working on something Water based. -One of the games is a next gen kinect game. -They are working with Lucid game a la Turn 10/Playground Games on Project Gotham Racing 5.)
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 25, 2013, 02:28:42 PM
oh and windows 8 metro down your throat(if they havent already)

tbh i imagine the 720 will bring a huge focus to kinect and even using it in conjunction with the standard controller
and i doubt we will see much of an update on the controller
maybe a better D-pad among other minor things


Have you used metro because its pretty damned intuitive on the Laptop im working on right now. Plus getting a sweet Asus touch screen ultrabook this weekend. 



Only real change I want from the controller is a better D-pad. They might pull a sony and change up the center of the controller as wel.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 25, 2013, 02:39:18 PM
I love that you show a list of Metacritic scores averaging in the mid-70s as proof that Rare can make AAA games. Four scores in the 80s, but three are the incredibly casual Viva Pinata and one is Perfect Dark Zero, which in no way deserves that high a score and only got it because it was a launch game.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 25, 2013, 02:51:12 PM
Wouldn't games in the 70+range be considered good and those 65 and below would be considered average to bad. Unless were grading on the Games Media retarded scoring system where 60/70 is somehow bad.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 25, 2013, 02:59:47 PM
What is a good score varies from outlet to outlet, but a Metacritic score in the 70s really isn't that good.

Rare hasn't made a great game since the N64, and that's not just the perspective of a Nintendo fan. Through some combination of loss of talent and the loss of the guiding force of Nintendo, they are no longer anywhere near a top tier developer.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 25, 2013, 03:20:08 PM
I will admit that there out out isnt as consistent or out the gate as they were in the 90s. (though you probably couldn't name one dev who still has that kind of output)


But I would argue that Nuts and Bolts got unfairly crapped on for not being Banjo Threeie and i'd personally say that Viva Pinata is far better than any of the classic rare stuff barring Goldern eye/Perfect Dark/DKC.


At this point though who says that Rare cant make another god game since this is essntially a new era for the company. I think only a few old guard are left and the last one to leave was the former director of rare to go and become the Studio head of Microsoft's London studio.

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 25, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
I liked Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts, but it's in no way a AAA title. I'm not saying Rare can't make good games, just that there's no evidence to suggest that they're capable of putting out anything on the level of their old hits. They could turn it around, but listing them as a AAA studio at this point is ridiculous.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 25, 2013, 04:30:50 PM
oh and windows 8 metro down your throat(if they havent already)

tbh i imagine the 720 will bring a huge focus to kinect and even using it in conjunction with the standard controller
and i doubt we will see much of an update on the controller
maybe a better D-pad among other minor things


Have you used metro because its pretty damned intuitive on the Laptop im working on right now. Plus getting a sweet Asus touch screen ultrabook this weekend. 



Only real change I want from the controller is a better D-pad. They might pull a sony and change up the center of the controller as wel.
what if you dont have a touchscreen or touchpad like a desktop
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 25, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
oh and windows 8 metro down your throat(if they havent already)

tbh i imagine the 720 will bring a huge focus to kinect and even using it in conjunction with the standard controller
and i doubt we will see much of an update on the controller
maybe a better D-pad among other minor things


Have you used metro because its pretty damned intuitive on the Laptop im working on right now. Plus getting a sweet Asus touch screen ultrabook this weekend. 



Only real change I want from the controller is a better D-pad. They might pull a sony and change up the center of the controller as wel.
what if you dont have a touchscreen or touchpad like a desktop

Most people say it's not good for anything but touch interface though you can learn to work with it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 25, 2013, 05:12:30 PM
I liked Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts, but it's in no way a AAA title. I'm not saying Rare can't make good games, just that there's no evidence to suggest that they're capable of putting out anything on the level of their old hits. They could turn it around, but listing them as a AAA studio at this point is ridiculous.

I can agree with that though I would say Nuts and Bolts and Viva Pinata is up their with their past stuff.  Probably a bit iffy on what AAA means myself though.

@pokepal148

Windows 8 works a decently with a mouse but it does take loner to do stuff than if you were using a touch or feature based device.


I just want a semi open world next gen Perfect Dark reeboot which looks like this

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Blended with the original game's style
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 25, 2013, 05:34:57 PM
I would love to see a new, really well done Perfect Dark game. If they pulled that off, it'd likely get me to buy a 720 just to play it.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 25, 2013, 07:51:11 PM
i believe rare will do kinect sports 18 more times this gen
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 25, 2013, 08:15:20 PM
i believe rare will do kinect sports 18 more times this gen

I do think they are working on at least one Kinect 2.0 game for launch. However to think that Kinect is all the studio would be doing is kind of wrong.

Beyond changes in Management of the studio the fact that BigPark did a lot of the heavily lifting for Kinect sports 2 says a lot about Rare working on Kinect games.


Not sure why people think Microsoft will be Kinect only when they have Phil Harrison over all their European front and Don't Mat trick over the whole shebang.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on February 25, 2013, 08:20:59 PM
I've wanted MS/Rare to put out Killer Instinct 3 at each XBox hardware launch as a pretty game to showboat the hardware. Kind of like DOA except good and interesting. Maybe it will finally happen this time but probably not D:
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2013, 09:14:09 PM
http://www.mcvindia.com/news/read/ian-livingstone-talks-next-gen-hints-at-always-on-used-game-blocking-xbox/0111409

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Livingstone, who was one of the driving forces behind Eidos and its Tomb Raider franchise, was in India recently to promote Crystal Dynamics’ latest Lara Croft adventure.

On the possibility of boxed retail being abandoned in favour of digital distribution, Livingstone told MCV, “Boxed games aren’t being abandoned just yet. I think the next iteration of consoles – the PS4 and the next Xbox, have got optical disc drives even though they probably don’t want to have them. Broadband speed globally isn’t at a level that justifies digital-only.”

“So they’ve gone halfway,” he added, giving the example of Microsoft’s supposed next-gen approach, “With the next Xbox, you supposedly have to have an internet connection, and the discs are watermarked, whereby once played on one console it won’t play on another. So I think the generation after that will be digital-only.”

Not a confirmation, but worrying still all the same.

Do it MS, I'm eager to see how such a bold move plays out.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 25, 2013, 10:01:13 PM
http://www.mcvindia.com/news/read/ian-livingstone-talks-next-gen-hints-at-always-on-used-game-blocking-xbox/0111409

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Livingstone, who was one of the driving forces behind Eidos and its Tomb Raider franchise, was in India recently to promote Crystal Dynamics’ latest Lara Croft adventure.

On the possibility of boxed retail being abandoned in favour of digital distribution, Livingstone told MCV, “Boxed games aren’t being abandoned just yet. I think the next iteration of consoles – the PS4 and the next Xbox, have got optical disc drives even though they probably don’t want to have them. Broadband speed globally isn’t at a level that justifies digital-only.”

“So they’ve gone halfway,” he added, giving the example of Microsoft’s supposed next-gen approach, “With the next Xbox, you supposedly have to have an internet connection, and the discs are watermarked, whereby once played on one console it won’t play on another. So I think the generation after that will be digital-only.”

Not a confirmation, but worrying still all the same.

Do it MS, I'm eager to see how such a bold move plays out.
yes thats exactly my stance
shove kinect and windows 8 down our throats also
and then anonymous hacks xbl and turns every 720 into a brick i love it
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 25, 2013, 10:45:56 PM
Again how they are forcing it down your throat. Did baller threaten you family.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 25, 2013, 11:00:43 PM
no im just having a heyday though
and if you dont think that microsoft will make kinect a rediculously large part of the 720 well...

i dont have a bridge to sell you atm it's a recession
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 26, 2013, 07:33:53 AM
but blocking used games to remove the difference between physical and digital media makes perfect sense for microsoft given that their focus on multimedia with the 360 gives a huge obligation for the 720 to use blueray(which microsoft would have to pay royaltys for)
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Post by: Adrock on February 26, 2013, 01:06:53 PM
If Microsoft requires Kinect in Durango, I'd consider that shoving it down my throat, especially if, unlike the Wii Remote or GamePad, Kinect isn't the console's main method of controlling games which it most likely wouldn't.

I'm less concerned about Windows 8 possibly being included. I was playing around with it at Best Buy and the only thing that madee raise an eyebrow (from that limited exposure to it) was that Minesweeper wasn't pre-installed.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 26, 2013, 01:42:49 PM
If Microsoft requires Kinect in Durango, I'd consider that shoving it down my throat, especially if, unlike the Wii Remote or GamePad, Kinect isn't the console's main method of controlling games which it most likely wouldn't.

I'm less concerned about Windows 8 possibly being included. I was playing around with it at Best Buy and the only thing that madee raise an eyebrow (from that limited exposure to it) was that Minesweeper wasn't pre-installed.

Minesweeper, solitaire, and mojang are free donwoloads in the windows store. Pinball has been replaced with zen pinball.
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Post by: Adrock on February 26, 2013, 02:07:36 PM
Your attempt to TJ Spyke me has failed. I know it's free. However, I prompted to log into a user account in order to download the game which I couldn't do because I don't have a user account in a store model. Maybe I could have made one, but I really just wanted to kill time while my friend dicked around with the Surface tablet. Please leave Spyking to the professional. He's better at it than you.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 27, 2013, 01:17:55 PM
Requiring Kinect is no different than requiring the Gamepad or requiring EyeToy.  Consoles have less justification to exist these days so they shove in these dumb gimmicks to make them seem unique.  Every company is doing it.  I don't like it but you can't pick and choose who to get mad at regarding that.  You can't get on MS for forcing Kinect down our throats while giving Nintendo a free pass on the Gamepad (or motion control last gen).

If MS wants to block used games in a market where both Nintendo and Sony are not, then they can put that gun to their head.  That idea has no value to the consumer.  The concept can only work if the majority of the industry goes along with it.  It will certainly not work in a situation where only one company is doing it, particularly since the PS4 will likely have many of the same games.  Most of the same games and one allows used games and one doesn't?  It's a no-brainer which one the public will pick and which one Gamestop will be blantantly biased towards in their sales pitch.  Each Gamestop employee will gladly point out "by the way the Xbox 720 blocks used games while the PS4 does not" to every customer looking for a new console.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 27, 2013, 01:41:59 PM
but the gamepad is a fairly traditional controller(and the Wiimote and Nunchuck were fairly servicable as well)
kinect is dancing like an idiot in front of a camera
if its used with the standard controller then some interesting things could happen
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 27, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
but the gamepad is a fairly traditional controller(and the Wiimote and Nunchuck were fairly servicable as well)
kinect is dancing like an idiot in front of a camera
if its used with the standard controller then some interesting things could happen

wtf delete this please
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Post by: Adrock on February 27, 2013, 02:23:38 PM
Requiring Kinect isn't even remotely close to requiring the GamePad. As has been pointed out many times before, it's a traditional controller. Additionally, it actually costs roughly what all 3 consoles manufacturers are charging for regular controllers sans screen. Nintendo is only grossly marking it up sold separately and for replacements. I recall reading NOA is charging $140 for a replacement. F that noise. If you're really worried about getting a raw deal on peripherals, you absolutely are on any console. Still, that's true of anything.

More importantly, requiring Kinect means there's a high definition camera pointed directly at your living space. If Microsoft is forcing that on consumers, back away not today, Disco Lady.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 27, 2013, 03:00:47 PM
I see the Gamepad the same way I see a Kinect as an unnecessary novelty control mechanism that is not generic enough to be a proper standard.  Obviously parts of the Gamepad are very conventional but the giant touchscreen is not and that is figured into the cost.  You pay more for what realistically should be an optional accessory.  The touch screen is forced on us just like Kinect is.

But it does not have the spying capacity of Kinect, which makes Kinect much worse.  Also I would argue that the touchscreen is much better a game controller than the Kinect is.  I see a touchscreen as something that some games can make effective use of, essentially as a substitute for a mouse.  Kinect is borderline worthless.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 27, 2013, 05:34:25 PM
The Game Pad is the Wii U's default controller while Kinect isn't the Xbox default controller.  This is why the two just aren't comparable.  The actual comparison would be forcing Kinect in every 720 would be like if Nintendo forced the Balance Board in every Wii U.  Kinect and the Balance Board are both peripherals that are required for certain games, have optional features for others, but are worthless for everything else.

Difference is Nintendo isn't requiring every Wii U owner to buy a Balance Board while Microsoft looks like they'll be forcing every 720 owner to get Kinect.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 27, 2013, 06:59:55 PM
kinect will be bundled with the 720 and it likely will be a huge part of the system
the only question is if it will coexist in perfect balance with the regular controller or if the controller will become some secondary thing
microsoft needs a standout and kinect can do that
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 27, 2013, 07:25:32 PM
kinect will be bundled with the 720 and it likely will be a huge part of the system
the only question is if it will coexist in perfect balance with the regular controller or if the controller will become some secondary thing
microsoft needs a standout and kinect can do that

Mandatory Kinect would be a terrible idea, and would guarantee that me and millions of others would not even bother getting the system. I never had room for Kinect since you needed to be 6 feet away from it and I didn't have that much room, so I could never use it even if I wanted to. So if Xbox 3 does come bundled with Kinect 2, Microsoft would be foolish to make it mandatory to use with the system. If you need to use Kinect 2 to even power up the system, then that is millions of potential sales that will be lost just because of that.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 27, 2013, 07:40:59 PM
kinect will be bundled with the 720 and it likely will be a huge part of the system
the only question is if it will coexist in perfect balance with the regular controller or if the controller will become some secondary thing
microsoft needs a standout and kinect can do that

Mandatory Kinect would be a terrible idea, and would guarantee that me and millions of others would not even bother getting the system. I never had room for Kinect since you needed to be 6 feet away from it and I didn't have that much room, so I could never use it even if I wanted to. So if Xbox 3 does come bundled with Kinect 2, Microsoft would be foolish to make it mandatory to use with the system. If you need to use Kinect 2 to even power up the system, then that is millions of potential sales that will be lost just because of that.
kinect 2 would need to fix alot of these things  for certain. but microsoft simply cant enter the race without some mass market appeal

but you guys are missing the big picture
what if the constant internet connection pans out and microsoft then slaps xbl on top of that.

in short: if you dont have live the system becomes a paperweight
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Post by: nickmitch on February 27, 2013, 07:53:17 PM
I'm just weary of having to use to use voice commands. My voice isn't good for that. I don't think it'll happen though. All 720s coming with Kinect 2? Highly plausible. Not having a regular controller? Malarkey. Sony has real controllers, Nintendo has real controllers, MS is not going to be the odd man out.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 27, 2013, 08:36:31 PM
I'm just weary of having to use to use voice commands. My voice isn't good for that. I don't think it'll happen though. All 720s coming with Kinect 2? Highly plausible. Not having a regular controller? Malarkey. Sony has real controllers, Nintendo has real controllers, MS is not going to be the odd man out.
i never said it wouldnt i said the controller may see less use (imagine kinect as the wiimote and the controller as the nunchuck)
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 28, 2013, 06:54:01 AM
Kinwctbwing bundled means its going to used for more than dance and fitness games a hopefully.

Though I really don't see how always online is a bad thing. (Though I'm sure they meant always on similar to a phone or tablet)
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 28, 2013, 07:16:01 AM
Kinwctbwing bundled means its going to used for more than dance and fitness games a hopefully.

Though I really don't see how always online is a bad thing. (Though I'm sure they meant always on similar to a phone or tablet)
because microsoft can charge for xbox live and make it REQUIRED to use the system
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Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2013, 07:26:20 AM
Always online is a bad thing because not everyone has a strong Internet connection, even in the US. That means, there's an entire group of people who flat-out can't play the console.

Always online with Kinect required is simply really creepy. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't like the idea of a camera potentially broadcasting my entire living room to the interwebz. Will anyone spy on me? Not terribly likely. Can they? Yeah, probably. It's far more likely with a camera directed into my living space than without. I'm sure there are security measures, but I don't like that a requirement to have a camera coupled with a persistent internet connection exists on the console therefore I would just avoid the console. I'll just stick with my Wii U that doesn't require a camera and internet conmection (it only has a really poor quality camera on the controller that needs to be pointed at things to be effective). While not exactly the same thing, it reminds me of Robbins vs Lower Merion School district. Am I being paranoid? Sure, but I don't think you can ever be too careful with your privacy.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 28, 2013, 09:13:02 AM
Well I was twelve when Facebook came out and fourteen when twitter hit so I probably have been condtioned through that and modern day smart phones to be always online. I guess its because my Xbox is always online anyway

I do see the fear of Microsoft making live needed to use.

I also agree with the lack of internet thing hampering a lot of people.  I forget that internet penetration isn't where it should be even I. The US. I have a few family members who don't have internet for various reasons.

Also I don't think its going to inline only. Pretty sure who ever said that got it confused with Always On. Its going too be like most tablets/laptops/smartphones where they want you never then it off but have it in a sleep one.

I guess one would Argus that Always On its self is pretty useless with out an internet connection itself but that's a topic for another day.



Also it looks like Lionhead is working on their new game using Unreal Engine 4.

https://mobile.twitter.com/supererogatory/status/307035456216915970


Makes the second first party game running the engine (Eurogamer said Knack from Sony's Japan Studio was running in the engine as well)

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Post by: nickmitch on February 28, 2013, 03:14:46 PM
Wasn't the Wii always connected? Wasn't that the WiiConnect24? Not that it meant anything.

But I think the whole "Kinect Required" thing is a baseless fear. What exactly would it be required for? I don't think MS can sell the idea of you having to have a peripheral connected to you system at all times, even when you don't have to use it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2013, 03:32:04 PM
Voice commands and face recognition would be my guess as to why it could be mandatory.
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 28, 2013, 04:11:32 PM
Voice commands and face recognition would be my guess as to why it could be mandatory.
That could be it.  Can't sign in without facial recognition.  That makes a lot of sense.
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Post by: Ceric on February 28, 2013, 05:57:48 PM
If its required its as much a peripheral as the Wii Sensor bar is for the Wii.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2013, 04:41:59 PM
Not sure if it adds fire to the next gen xbox always online rumors or not, But upcoming game Ascend new gods is going to be online only even when player the game's single player component.
 
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/06/ascend-new-gods-beta-coming-requires-online-connection (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/06/ascend-new-gods-beta-coming-requires-online-connection)
 
Microsoft also announced a new hub on the xbox live dashboard this one aimed at the Latin American audience called Zona Latina.
Yesterday Microsoft livestreamed a short video hour long gears of war judgement video. Game looks good but its going to be interesting how well the game will do with little marketing.
 
Fnally I want this bad
(http://i.imgur.com/2wQC8h3.jpg)
Had something to post about smartglass but i'll do that later.
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Post by: Ceric on March 04, 2013, 04:46:04 PM
Its says 20xx which can only mean one thing.  Rare has Acquired the Megaman license.  Now Megaman will have objects to collect and explode into Candy when he dies.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 06, 2013, 12:35:52 PM
So one of the games that Rare is working looks to be Physics based Kinect game whatever that means.
Quote
Rare's posted a bunch of job vacancies for its mysterious new Kinect project, which (given the timing) is all but guaranteed to be a next generation Xbox game. They don't tell us much that's new, but I like to keep these things ticking over.

The developer is in the market for a an experienced, passionate and highly technical engineer to help us deliver the services that will power our next amazing product." This illustrious individual will be responsible for the creation of "large scale distributed systems with a focus on scalability, reliability and maintainability" and will "[drive] continuous improvement through rapid iteration and short ship cycles". Experience with cloud based services is "desirable".

 There's also a region design manager to assist with "the next jaw-dropping, never-been-done-before Rare project". Advantageous criteria include "experience of motion gaming, especially Kinect technology".

I do find find the article t be a bit hyperbolish though as only one of the job postings even mentions Kinect. Article also ignores all of the codemasters people that have been hired by rare.
Another look at the Rare bag.
(http://i2.minus.com/j8LAvQxAdDSIb.png)
 
Don Mattrick President of the Xbox Division doesn't see Valve as a threat.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/5/4066950/microsoft-don-mattrick-valve-no-xbox-competitor (http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/5/4066950/microsoft-don-mattrick-valve-no-xbox-competitor)
 
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Valve is preparing to enter the console market with its "Steam Box (http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/6/3958162/valve-steam-box-cake/in/3514777)" gaming hardware, but Microsoft doesn't consider it as a competitor just yet. Speaking at Microsoft's TechForum this week, Don Mattrick, president of the Interactive Entertainment Business, fielded questions about the strategy for Xbox and its competition. Asked about viewing Valve as a competitor, Mattrick simply said "no" before noting Valve is "doing some innovative stuff" and creating some great experiences. "The scale of products and things that are being brought to market are probably a little bit richer when I look at Sony, Nintendo, Apple, and Google," noted Mattrick.

Also Gears Judgment comes out next week. I'm expecting it to bad compared to the other gears games but sell just enough to justify its existence.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 06, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
Steam Box is not a console, it's a gimped PC. It's a stripped down PC, literally, taking a PC and stripping away everything except the ability to play PC games (specifically Steam games). It's a niche product at best, as the only people who would really be interested in it already have the knowledge to play PC games on their TV.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 06, 2013, 01:37:44 PM
Steam Box is not a console, it's a gimped PC. It's a stripped down PC, literally, taking a PC and stripping away everything except the ability to play PC games (specifically Steam games). It's a niche product at best, as the only people who would really be interested in it already have the knowledge to play PC games on their TV.
Isn't it a PC in a console format. The big picture mode looks like a console interface.
 
But I was wondering who it is marketed towards. PC gamers will just build their own rigs, and the average consumer will stick with the big three. Also Valve doesn't have the IP like Ninty, MS, and Sony does.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 06, 2013, 01:40:01 PM
Actually, I would love to have this. I'm way to lazy to build my own, or pay someone to do it. If Valve made a Steambox that could run games at a reasonable quality, plus play the next-gen stuff coming up, I'd buy it in a heart beat. I already have a computer to do other computer things. I just want a computer for gaming now.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 06, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
yeah im just going to build my own home theater based pc system for gaming.
Actually, I would love to have this. I'm way to lazy to build my own, or pay someone to do it. If Valve made a Steambox that could run games at a reasonable quality, plus play the next-gen stuff coming up, I'd buy it in a heart beat. I already have a computer to do other computer things. I just want a computer for gaming now.
if the steam box is some kind of starter kit type deal that can run modern gamess and be upgraded later then its a very interesting deal
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 06, 2013, 05:26:12 PM
Depending on the price, I may want to get the Steam box as well.  With all the Humble Indie Bundles I've picked up, it'd be great to be able to try them on the big screen.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 06, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
If u have a TV made within the last 5 years, you can stream PC games to your TV for very little money (FAR less than the rumored $300 Steam Box will cost) and use your Xbox 360 controller (which most PC games support).
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 06, 2013, 07:30:53 PM
If u have a TV made within the last 5 years, you can stream PC games to your TV for very little money (FAR less than the rumored $300 Steam Box will cost) and use your Xbox 360 controller (which most PC games support).
Don't have a PC (only a laptop with less than desirable graphics capabilities) and the TV is rear projection and I don't have a 360 controller.  It'd cost more to get all those things than to just get a Steam Box. 

Steam Box makes me wonder when EA will make their own Origin Box.  We know they've been rumored to want to make their own console before.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 06, 2013, 07:53:46 PM
My main problem with the steambox is that they are trying to sell a PC in a console market. One of the big reason that people et consoles is the exclusive games. I love my Zelda/Halo/uncharted and that isn't something I think Valve can do. I just  can't see them making the next Portal or Half life exclusive to only the steam platform.
 
In Microsoft Studio news Matter the Kinect powered xbla game by Director Gore Verbinski has been cancelled
. http://www.joystiq.com/2013/03/06/microsoft-cancels-gore-verbinskis-matter-for-kinect/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/03/06/microsoft-cancels-gore-verbinskis-matter-for-kinect/)
 

No reasons have been given for the titles cancelation but speculation was the game wasn't turning out good and was costing money that could go to other projects.
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Post by: Ceric on March 07, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Well not to mention it takes FOREVEEEEEERRRRR for Valve to release an actually new game.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 07, 2013, 12:56:12 PM
There is one way where I see value in the Steambox.  Back when games were 2D, if you had a PC it could play games pretty damn well.  The niche element of PC gaming was more because a lot of people didn't have a computer in their house.  Now everyone has some sort of computer or a smartphone or tablet that they effectively use as a computer substitute.  But your run-of-the-mill PC these days isn't really game friendly.  They don't include fancy graphics cards with a typical email-and-word-processing computer.  So I can see some value in buying a console that plays PC games if you don't want to bother getting a decent gaming PC.

But this really only makes sense if the PC platform has sufficient exclusives.  These days there is a lot of crossover between PCs and consoles and a lot of games are designed with consoles in mind.  The PC does not have the exclusives it did in the past, when you could own a PC and a console and have completely different libraries.  Plus I imagine that a good chunk of the intended audience for this is content with smartphone games and has less need for such a device as they would have ten years ago.  Casuals are a lost cause for any dedicated videogame system.

Much of the appeal is the same appeal that consoles in general have.  So really the Steambox is just a fourth console to compete with Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft.
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Post by: SixthAngel on March 08, 2013, 12:27:31 PM
My main problem with the steambox is that they are trying to sell a PC in a console market. One of the big reason that people et consoles is the exclusive games.

That's why I think it has a chance, third party exclusives died this gen. Sony and MS just don't have the first party to carry the consoles, look at the Sony Smash clone. MS has Halo, which is a runner up in the fps arena today and ... Fable. Unless you have tons of love for Naughty Dog the Steambox is a great deal for people planning on getting these consoles.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 08, 2013, 12:53:15 PM
Valve has a better first party lineup than Microsoft or Sony.

Half Life
Day of Defeat
Counter Strike
Team Fortress
Portal
Left 4 Dead
DOTA

Steam is also superior to Xbox Live
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 08, 2013, 01:27:51 PM
Valve has a better first party lineup than Microsoft or Sony.

Half Life
Day of Defeat
Counter Strike
Team Fortress
Portal
Left 4 Dead
DOTA

Steam is also superior to Xbox Live
Steam IS their system seller for me building a pc
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Post by: Ceric on March 08, 2013, 02:00:54 PM
Valve has a better first party lineup than Microsoft or Sony.

Half Life
Day of Defeat
Counter Strike
Team Fortress
Portal
Left 4 Dead
DOTA

Steam is also superior to Xbox Live

Looking at that list the first thing that popped in my had was Half-Life 4 Mods 2 Games
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 08, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Valve has a better first party lineup than Microsoft or Sony.

Half Life
Day of Defeat
Counter Strike
Team Fortress
Portal
Left 4 Dead
DOTA

Almost all FPS games, and that is pretty much their only games released in the last 15 years. Not a very compelling argument.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 08, 2013, 04:28:04 PM
maybe i'll sit back and blow some *puts on shades* steam
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 08, 2013, 07:30:34 PM
Valve has a better first party lineup than Microsoft or Sony.

Half Life
Day of Defeat
Counter Strike
Team Fortress
Portal
Left 4 Dead
DOTA

Almost all FPS games, and that is pretty much their only games released in the last 15 years. Not a very compelling argument.

Notice how many of those games are iconic and have went down in history as some of the best games of all time.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 08, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
You mean almost none of them? Some have gotten good praise, but best? You can take out DOD and DOTA. TF2 has a small cult following for multiplayer, but I dont think anyone considers it one of the best game of all time. Left 4 Dead seems to have lost most of it's popularity. Etc.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 08, 2013, 08:14:59 PM
Small cult following? It's considered to be the best FPS for online. Portal? Half-Life? Counter-Strike? I'm not a PC guy but I know that those are very very popular.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 08, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
LOL, best FPS for online. Those 3 are popular, but I dont think anyone would call them among the best games of all time (for various reasons). The original Half-Life is also highly over-rated (HL2 is better, but I still would not consider it one of the best games ever).
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Post by: Oblivion on March 08, 2013, 08:18:13 PM
Are you a console or PC gamer?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 08, 2013, 08:25:04 PM
Mainly console, but I play PC games sometimes. And from what i've seen, its really only hardcore PC gamers (i.e. people who play almost only PC games) who try and day something like Counter-Strike is one of the best games ever
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Post by: oohhboy on March 08, 2013, 08:28:28 PM
Which planet are you living on TJ? Saying TF2 has a cult following is like saying the Titanic is a rowboat. TF2 is a blackhole of multiplayer time which draws players away from other games or games like it. Even Valve's own games are not immune to it's effects. Then DOTA turns around crushes that. http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ (http://store.steampowered.com/stats/)

CS and it's variants are still the premiere tactical(tactilol) shooter.

Day of Defeat has a cult following because it's so bloody old.

We could talk all day whether it's "Best" and not get anywhere, but you can't deny the influence these games have. Plus I rather no play semantic dodge ball.

Go look up a wiki before you start talking out of the wrong hole again TJ.
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Post by: SixthAngel on March 08, 2013, 10:39:05 PM
If TF2 has a small cult following than online multiplayer is dead. Only brand new games of select franchises beat those numbers and TF2 has already been out for 6 years.
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Post by: marty on March 08, 2013, 11:04:39 PM
With the exception of Half-life, all of those IPs started outside of Valve.
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 10, 2013, 04:56:21 AM
Portal is a puzzle game, not a shooter.  Just saying.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 11, 2013, 01:25:25 AM
Well, it looks like the Steam Box may be DOA. Xi3's version of the Steam Box will START at $999 (with a 128GB SSD), with a 256GB model for $1,340 and a 512GB model for $1,750. Pretty much anyone could set up a good gaming setup with their tv for far less than that. If it was $300 it ought have had a small chance of at least being popular with a niche audience, but I think any chance of it being successful at all is dead now that the cheapest model is $1,000.
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Post by: Ceric on March 11, 2013, 09:58:39 AM
Well, it looks like the Steam Box may be DOA. Xi3's version of the Steam Box will START at $999 (with a 128GB SSD), with a 256GB model for $1,340 and a 512GB model for $1,750. Pretty much anyone could set up a good gaming setup with their tv for far less than that. If it was $300 it ought have had a small chance of at least being popular with a niche audience, but I think any chance of it being successful at all is dead now that the cheapest model is $1,000.
Have a link for that?

Yeah... Asking over $600 for the top model sort of killed that.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 11, 2013, 12:43:45 PM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2030479/xi3-takes-orders-for-piston-steam-box-at-sub-1000-prices.html

There is a $100 discount to those who pre-order before March 17, though it's still over-priced.
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Post by: SixthAngel on March 11, 2013, 04:33:50 PM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2030479/xi3-takes-orders-for-piston-steam-box-at-sub-1000-prices.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2030479/xi3-takes-orders-for-piston-steam-box-at-sub-1000-prices.html)

There is a $100 discount to those who pre-order before March 17, though it's still over-priced.

Making this thing so small, it's freaking fist sized, seems like something totally unnecessary that is jacking up the price.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 11, 2013, 05:07:52 PM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2030479/xi3-takes-orders-for-piston-steam-box-at-sub-1000-prices.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2030479/xi3-takes-orders-for-piston-steam-box-at-sub-1000-prices.html)

There is a $100 discount to those who pre-order before March 17, though it's still over-priced.

Making his thing so small, it's freaking fist sized, seems like something totally unnecessary that is jacking up the price.

not exactly a looker either
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 11, 2013, 07:57:48 PM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2030479/xi3-takes-orders-for-piston-steam-box-at-sub-1000-prices.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2030479/xi3-takes-orders-for-piston-steam-box-at-sub-1000-prices.html)

There is a $100 discount to those who pre-order before March 17, though it's still over-priced.

Making this thing so small, it's freaking fist sized, seems like something totally unnecessary that is jacking up the price.
I think that is exactly why the price is what it is.  I don't know if it's DOA, but this one sure is a hard sell.
Of course, there will be many other partners for this and ones that won't require an SSD and a tiny box (that thing is smaller than a GTX Titan) that will cost significantly less I think.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 11, 2013, 09:03:47 PM
The size IS what is making it so expensive. There's a point in technology where taking something (like a computer) and shrinking it to be just as good obviously makes the price go up.


Plus, it's a just a third party SteamBox. Wait for the flaming until the official Valve one is announced.
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 12, 2013, 01:08:45 PM
Plus, it's a just a third party SteamBox. Wait for the flaming until the official Valve one is announced.
Good point.  Android based tablets were considered crap until Google had the Nexus 7 made and then they started to take off and everybody wanted one.  If Valve can so something similar, there may be hope for the SB yet.
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Post by: Ceric on March 12, 2013, 03:38:15 PM
Plus, it's a just a third party SteamBox. Wait for the flaming until the official Valve one is announced.
Good point.  Android based tablets were considered crap until Google had the Nexus 7 made and then they started to take off and everybody wanted one.  If Valve can so something similar, there may be hope for the SB yet.
That's part of the Reason Microsoft made the Surface.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 12, 2013, 06:11:45 PM
Plus, it's a just a third party SteamBox. Wait for the flaming until the official Valve one is announced.
Good point.  Android based tablets were considered crap until Google had the Nexus 7 made and then they started to take off and everybody wanted one.  If Valve can so something similar, there may be hope for the SB yet.
well the kindle fire paved the way their
but we can all agree this isn't the kindle fire
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 12, 2013, 08:01:34 PM
Plus, it's a just a third party SteamBox. Wait for the flaming until the official Valve one is announced.
Good point.  Android based tablets were considered crap until Google had the Nexus 7 made and then they started to take off and everybody wanted one.  If Valve can so something similar, there may be hope for the SB yet.
well the kindle fire paved the way their
but we can all agree this isn't the kindle fire
Not really, Kindle Fire is an Amazon product using a derivative of Android.  In order for it to be an Android product, you would need to jailbreak it and at that point, it is no longer a Kindle Fire.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 12, 2013, 09:01:29 PM
Plus, it's a just a third party SteamBox. Wait for the flaming until the official Valve one is announced.
Good point.  Android based tablets were considered crap until Google had the Nexus 7 made and then they started to take off and everybody wanted one.  If Valve can so something similar, there may be hope for the SB yet.
well the kindle fire paved the way their
but we can all agree this isn't the kindle fire
Not really, Kindle Fire is an Amazon product using a derivative of Android.  In order for it to be an Android product, you would need to jailbreak it and at that point, it is no longer a Kindle Fire.
it did make smaller tablets more mainstream which is what i'm getting at
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 12, 2013, 09:50:42 PM
So could we actually make a Steam Box discussion thread and move all these off topic posts there.  Sure, I know there is nothing new to talk about Xbox720 yet...but they just seem outta place.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 12, 2013, 09:59:08 PM
yeah this is getting ridiculous somebody separate this
but in the meantime you could continue my debate on xbox live being systemwide on disc dlc on these forums
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 12, 2013, 10:05:49 PM
I created a separate thread for those that want to talk about Steam Box.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 13, 2013, 02:07:06 AM
Well, I am really curious what Microsoft does with their Live service next generation...I really want Microsoft to again push the social envelope.  I would love for them to figure a way to get Skype calls with video to work while playing a game even.  I think video chat while playing could be the next social boom for gaming.

Of course, it is a feature you could opt out of or turn off.  Or just refuse the video feed, but still get audio. 
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on March 13, 2013, 03:00:49 AM
Yeah I don't really want to look at someone's face while I'm playing a game. On my wishlist for features, though:
- Unlimited friend list size and ability to sort them into groups.
- Joinable groups like Facebook and Steam.
- Expand the beacon system: maybe have a "down to play" toggle for each game in your library.
- Needs giftable games
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Post by: nickmitch on March 13, 2013, 09:38:57 AM
Yeah, having a little box on the screen with your friend's face in it would have to be small enough to not distract from gameplay, which would probably make it too small to be useful.

Maybe something akin to (3)DS download play where I can virtually bring my copy of a game to a friend's house and we can play some form of multiplayer.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 13, 2013, 10:22:37 AM
Well it depends on the game...but it would be a cool option.
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Post by: Ceric on March 13, 2013, 11:18:17 AM
I hate to say this but, I'm pretty sure you guys are describing the Goals of the PS4.
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 13, 2013, 12:26:59 PM
I hate to say this but, I'm pretty sure you guys are describe the Goals of the PS4.
Sounds very similar, I agree.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 13, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
Does the Sony "have your friend beat the game for you" feature require the other person to have the game?
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 13, 2013, 05:38:57 PM
Does the Sony "have your friend beat the game for you" feature require the other person to have the game?
Probably.  Since the system is not out yet, there is no way to tell for sure as they haven't officially announced it as a standard feature yet.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 13, 2013, 06:53:26 PM
I found this inserting a cross buy game for Windows Phone and Windows 8. You guy the game on either platform nd get it on the other.  It looks to be some  strategy  game.
 
http://www.wpcentral.com/galactic-reign-windows-8-impressions (http://www.wpcentral.com/galactic-reign-windows-8-impressions)
 
What I find funn is that they have a corss platform game with cross buy when they couldn't get corss buy into skulls of the shogun.  I suspect that there is no way for Cross buy to work on the current xbox and that's something that hurt the sales of the game. (Price didn't help either)
The Windows 8 xbox games store is growing at a steady pace (there are non xbox games in the windows store)
(http://i.imgur.com/K76SrkQ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/RFYwbfV.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/gC5atlD.png)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Post by: nickmitch on March 13, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
Does the Sony "have your friend beat the game for you" feature require the other person to have the game?
Probably.  Since the system is not out yet, there is no way to tell for sure as they haven't officially announced it as a standard feature yet.

Ok. I never got around to watching the presser, so I didn't know. :(
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 13, 2013, 10:03:16 PM
Some more information on Galactic Reign
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/691_GalaticReign.png)
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Galactic Reign is a head-to-head game of tactical expansion and conquest. You and your opponent colonize planets, design ships, and build fleets as you fight for domination of the galaxy. Ship design is crucial, as you must predict what their opponent is building and construct ships to counter it. When opposing fleets meet, the battle is rendered on the cloud, showing the result in a stunning cinematic movie.  You and your opponent take your turns whenever you like, and the game advances when you both have submitted your actions. In addition to player vs. player strategy, Galactic Reign features an extensive collection of single player missions that challenge you to use clever ship design to defeat enemy fleets.
Other game features include:
> A trial mode that contains the entire game experience with a single species. Purchase the full version to unlock the other two.
> Experience the thrill of cinematic cloud-rendered battles.
> Play anywhere –battle your friends in online asynchronous multiplayer across Windows 8 and Windows Phone 7! You can download the trial and still have access to the additional content. Purchasing on other platforms will unlock the ability to gain achievements on that platform
> Choose from three different species, each with a unique look and arsenal.
> Personalize the look of your fleet with color selections and decals.
> Scan your opponent’s ships and research new technology to take advantage of any weaknesses.
> Multiple win conditions bring depth to the strategy layer.
> Hours of training missions and single-player scenarios to teach you the ropes and put your skills to the test.

 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/user/GalacticReign?feature=watch[/youtube]
 
I wonder if this is similar to the stuff that Lift London will be working on with the battle video be processed in the cloud so every scenario can be different.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 15, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
So Press Play developer of the Wiiware game Max and the Magic Marker and the windows phone game Tentacles announced their latest game Max: Curse of the Brotherhood for Xbox Live Arcade.
I was honestly a bit surprised by  this. They were bought by Microsoft to work on  mobile games and Phil Harrison reiterated earlier this year.
http://pressplay.dk/games/max-the-curse-of-brotherhood/ (http://pressplay.dk/games/max-the-curse-of-brotherhood/)
(http://pressplay.dk/website/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/max-header.png)
 
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When Max wishes for his annoying little brother, Felix, to be whisked away by unknown evil forces, he gets more than he bargained for. Armed only with an marker and a hope of undoing what he has just done, he sets out on a perilous journey across deserts, eerie lantern-lit bogs, ancient temples and lush green forests to get his younger sibling back. Along the way Max gains the powers to manipulate his environment and overcome seemingly impossible obstacles.

 
 
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 17, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Funny I was just playing max and the magic marker last night on the wii. That game still holds up well and is perfect for wii. I did not know the developer had been bought by Microsoft. Too bad since it means their further efforts won't come to WiiU.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 17, 2013, 06:06:31 PM
Microsoft announced they had bought Press Play during a press release the morning before their press Conference at last year's E3 conference. So far they have made a Max and the Magic port for Windows Phone and a another Original game called Tentacle: day of the dolphin.
Saw some interesting tidbits about the game on twitter.
-The game will be shown off at GDC next week.
-Game is built using Unity
-No Kinect or Smartglass support
-Will probably be in summer of arcade.
 
Video of a Presentation by AJ Grand-Scrutton CEO of Dlala Studios who is working inside of Microsoft's  Soho building (holds Lift London and Soho Productions) in an incubation process. Video is about ow the studio got started and how Microsoft is trying to help its image in the eyes of indie developers. So they're working in a situation similar to thatgamecompany had with Sony. They have a contact with Microsoft to work on a game for them (how many games wasn't disclosed) and Microsoft gets to keep the IP. In return Dlala is using space inside of the Soho building alongside Microsoft's two internal development studios. Dlala is paid as if they were normal Microsoft employees as well receive help from other studios and MS employees. By the time the game is complete Microsoft will have enough capital for Dlala to work as a completely independent studio and then go forward and go their separate ways. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft buys Dlala after the contract is up as a way to show independent devs that working on Microsoft platforms could have great benefits.
On that note i'm pretty surprised that Microsoft hasn't acquired signal studios yet as thye have worked on nothing but Microsoft platforms thus far. 
A new trailer for Twisted Pixel's Lococycle
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 19, 2013, 07:09:02 PM
The fine folks at VGleaks have posted screenshots of the xbox development kit for Durango.
http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-xdk/ (http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-xdk/)
 
(http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/xdk1.jpg)
(http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/xdk2.jpg)
(http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/xdk3.jpg)
(http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/xdk4.jpg)
The most interesting part however is this
(http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/xdk5.jpg)
The Xbox Live Arcade twitch account has a walkthrough of Ascend New gods as well as some new Windows 8 xbox games.
A new trailer for castlestorm showing off multiplayer on xbla.
Battleblock theater is out April 3rd for 1200 spacebucks
 
Also gears judgement is out in Europe on the 22nd meaning the date for a Durango event is between the 23rd to e3.
 
 
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 19, 2013, 07:13:09 PM
If those are real (it's always prudent to be skeptical with stuff like this), it's a horrible mistake for Xbox 3 to REQUIRE Kinect to even operate. That will be reason enough for me and many people to not even buy the system. Would Microsoft really be stupid enough to do something that would guarantee a large number of Xbox 360 owners would not bother buying their new system?
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 19, 2013, 08:16:35 PM
I see a bunch of blank squares. DONT STEAL BANDWIDTH REHOST IMAGES
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 19, 2013, 08:23:09 PM
it looks authentic to me for the most part
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 19, 2013, 11:04:16 PM
If those are real (it's always prudent to be skeptical with stuff like this), it's a horrible mistake for Xbox 3 to REQUIRE Kinect to even operate. That will be reason enough for me and many people to not even buy the system. Would Microsoft really be stupid enough to do something that would guarantee a large number of Xbox 360 owners would not bother buying their new system?

Why do you say that if it comes with the system?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 19, 2013, 11:06:47 PM
A few reasons; one is that a lot of people don't even have enough room for Kinect. This means they can't even use it even if they want, so Microsoft would have to drop the distance to less than 6 feet. Another is that not many people are comfortable with the idea of having a camera staring at them be required to play their system (ESPECIALLY if the rumor of Xbox 3 requiring an always-on Internet connection ends up being true).
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 19, 2013, 11:28:07 PM
The Durango SDK is Visual Studio 2012? I already have that...time to type up a game for Durango. Go buy it yourself and get in on the action, it's only $13,000.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2013, 12:23:15 AM
Kinect 2.0 is rumored to use less distance to operate.

I think it was about 4 ft for one person.
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Post by: SixthAngel on March 20, 2013, 01:25:48 AM
Video of a Presentation by AJ Grand-Scrutton CEO of Dlala Studios who is working inside of Microsoft's  Soho building (holds Lift London and Soho Productions) in an incubation process. Video is about ow the studio got started and how Microsoft is trying to help its image in the eyes of indie developers. So they're working in a situation similar to thatgamecompany had with Sony. They have a contact with Microsoft to work on a game for them (how many games wasn't disclosed) and Microsoft gets to keep the IP. In return Dlala is using space inside of the Soho building alongside Microsoft's two internal development studios. Dlala is paid as if they were normal Microsoft employees as well receive help from other studios and MS employees. By the time the game is complete Microsoft will have enough capital for Dlala to work as a completely independent studio and then go forward and go their separate ways. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft buys Dlala after the contract is up as a way to show independent devs that working on Microsoft platforms could have great benefits.
On that note i'm pretty surprised that Microsoft hasn't acquired signal studios yet as thye have worked on nothing but Microsoft platforms thus far.

So Microsoft being friendly with "indie" devs is them having an indie guy work in their office, be payed exactly like an MS employee and MS gets to keep all IP rights to what is created.

That sounds identical to working directly for MS, what is independent about any of that?
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 20, 2013, 11:20:11 AM
Video of a Presentation by AJ Grand-Scrutton CEO of Dlala Studios who is working inside of Microsoft's  Soho building (holds Lift London and Soho Productions) in an incubation process. Video is about ow the studio got started and how Microsoft is trying to help its image in the eyes of indie developers. So they're working in a situation similar to thatgamecompany had with Sony. They have a contact with Microsoft to work on a game for them (how many games wasn't disclosed) and Microsoft gets to keep the IP. In return Dlala is using space inside of the Soho building alongside Microsoft's two internal development studios. Dlala is paid as if they were normal Microsoft employees as well receive help from other studios and MS employees. By the time the game is complete Microsoft will have enough capital for Dlala to work as a completely independent studio and then go forward and go their separate ways. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft buys Dlala after the contract is up as a way to show independent devs that working on Microsoft platforms could have great benefits.
On that note i'm pretty surprised that Microsoft hasn't acquired signal studios yet as thye have worked on nothing but Microsoft platforms thus far.

So Microsoft being friendly with "indie" devs is them having an indie guy work in their office, be payed exactly like an MS employee and MS gets to keep all IP rights to what is created.

That sounds identical to working directly for MS, what is independent about any of that?

Because they have a contract with Microsoft an once that contract is complete they're free to do what they they want, That and they're a fourman studio.
Sony does the same thing letting indies (thatgamecompany and Giant Sparrow) use space within the Sony Santa Monica building. Sony also retained all IP in this case and Sony Apparently offered to buy them but they said no. (bad idea imo)
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/tech/gaming-gadgets/indie-video-games-sony/ (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/tech/gaming-gadgets/indie-video-games-sony/)
 
 
 
 
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 20, 2013, 02:07:58 PM
Video of a Presentation by AJ Grand-Scrutton CEO of Dlala Studios who is working inside of Microsoft's  Soho building (holds Lift London and Soho Productions) in an incubation process. Video is about ow the studio got started and how Microsoft is trying to help its image in the eyes of indie developers. So they're working in a situation similar to thatgamecompany had with Sony. They have a contact with Microsoft to work on a game for them (how many games wasn't disclosed) and Microsoft gets to keep the IP. In return Dlala is using space inside of the Soho building alongside Microsoft's two internal development studios. Dlala is paid as if they were normal Microsoft employees as well receive help from other studios and MS employees. By the time the game is complete Microsoft will have enough capital for Dlala to work as a completely independent studio and then go forward and go their separate ways. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft buys Dlala after the contract is up as a way to show independent devs that working on Microsoft platforms could have great benefits.
On that note i'm pretty surprised that Microsoft hasn't acquired signal studios yet as thye have worked on nothing but Microsoft platforms thus far.

So Microsoft being friendly with "indie" devs is them having an indie guy work in their office, be payed exactly like an MS employee and MS gets to keep all IP rights to what is created.

That sounds identical to working directly for MS, what is independent about any of that?

Because they have a contract with Microsoft an once that contract is complete they're free to do what they they want, That and they're a fourman studio.
Sony does the same thing letting indies (thatgamecompany and Giant Sparrow) use space within the Sony Santa Monica building. Sony also retained all IP in this case and Sony Apparently offered to buy them but they said no. (bad idea imo)
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/tech/gaming-gadgets/indie-video-games-sony/ (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/tech/gaming-gadgets/indie-video-games-sony/)
 
 
 
 
many indies want to avoid exactly what sony would offer. a large budget studio and deadlines...
if EA offers they would get a more vulgar reply.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 20, 2013, 08:40:39 PM
Well an  EA would screw you over but I could see why indies would get into a partnership with one of the big three. This could lead to being acquired by the bigger studios (Twisted Pixel by microsoft).


Apparently Tequillaworks posted a picture of what is probably a Durango Dev kit.


(http://www.abload.de/img/captured10jdv.png)


(http://www.abload.de/img/supposeddurangosdkzgxa9u79.png)


Also the sign ups for the ascend new gods beta has started.
http://ascendgame.com/

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Post by: pokepal148 on March 20, 2013, 11:15:23 PM
indie devs are exactly that, INDEPENDENT, and some of them may not want to lose that
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Post by: nickmitch on March 20, 2013, 11:31:16 PM
Not everyone wants to be rich. I guess...
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 21, 2013, 01:35:06 AM
Looks like a cube PC with window.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2013, 02:00:35 AM
Not everyone wants to be rich. I guess...

Nobody's getting rich making games, regardless of where they work. You can make more with a big company, maybe, but you lose creative freedom, and there's an appeal to the whole indie ideal for a lot of those guys.
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 21, 2013, 07:37:30 AM
Not everyone wants to be rich. I guess...

Nobody's getting rich making games, regardless of where they work. You can make more with a big company, maybe, but you lose creative freedom, and there's an appeal to the whole indie ideal for a lot of those guys.
but at the same time you don't necessarily have to share with the publisher.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 21, 2013, 08:39:25 AM
Well of course not everyone wants to join up with a big publishers. Its supposedly one of the reasons that the journey developer thatgamecompany lost people. The people who left were in favor of being being purchased by the company while quite a few people including Jenova Chen reportedly wanted to stay independent.


 
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 22, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
I dont buy this for one second, but IGN is posting a YouTube video from some random guy who claims that a inside source he has (yeah, very sketchy and unreliable) that Activision is working on a new Call of Duty game called Call of Duty: Ghosts that will only be released on PC and next gen systems: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/22/next-call-of-duty-reportedly-called-ghosts?utm_campaign=twposts&utm_source=twitter
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 26, 2013, 05:19:16 PM
Seems like a legit source to me.
 
So Microsoft has been updating all of their Windows 8 applications in preparation for windows blue and they updated the main Games application.
 
It previously looked like this
(http://i.imgur.com/axSmqH2.jpg)
now it looks like this
(http://i.imgur.com/3VjxTDf.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WLRWJYz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oz5v9yY.jpg)
Doesn't Look like Microsoft will be doing anything big publicly at GDC even though they have the usually Xbox space. The event they had at last year's GDC was press only and embargoed till after GDC iirc so anything could still happen. I personally think showing that not showing the nextbox at GDC is a bad move as your going to see Sony in a lot of the headlines for the next few days.
On that note I think I've found why Microsoft wpn't be showing anything until probably Late apirl-E3.  They announced today that Build 2013 will be taking place in June.
http://www.buildwindows.com/ (http://www.buildwindows.com/)
(http://i.imgur.com/Eyiq2CN.jpg)
Now it makes sense that Microsoft would want to hold off for showing the xbox. They will have a small event before E3 followed by a bigger E3 showing for the consumer. Than at Build they show off and have workshops about all of the developer aimed stuff the regular consumer doesn't care about.  This will allow them to show the further expansion of thee one code base making stuff for all three platforms.
[imghttp://cdn.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/field/image/2013/03/devices.PNG
I liked what I watched of last year's build but hot damn if those aren't expensive tickets. I really don't understand why the tickets for Build and Apple's WWDC are so freaking expensive. I mean even counting the free swag going to Google I/o is only $900 and has a student option for $300.
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Post by: Shaymin on March 26, 2013, 06:31:04 PM
/b/ is meeting in San Francisco?

I'll get the poison, we'll be doing the internet a favour.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 26, 2013, 08:34:17 PM
The build logo is nice looking but fails at explaining what's it for.

The apple wwdc logo stands for world wide developers confrence and it might get confused for womens wear daily but its in the claasic apple font.

Google i/o's logo us pretty simple google gives input and devs give output.

Now I understand the /B is a play on coding but it makes so much more sense when the whole word build is spell out.


Also Paul Thurrot seems to be sure the xbox unvielingis next month.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
What makes it seem legit? It's a random guy on YouTube claiming a friend told him about stuff. That could not be any more shady.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 27, 2013, 10:02:15 PM
Was joking.
Looks like throughut the rest of this GDC there's going to be zip coming from Microsoft. I'm honestly expecting invites for the Durango reveal to go out Friday at the earliest and possibly next week.
AT GDC however there was a bit of news. Microsoft had a a session dedicated to Smartglass development showing this is going to be apart of their eco system going forward.
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2013/03/27/microsoft-wants-you-to-build-the-next-great-xbox-smartglass-experience/ (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2013/03/27/microsoft-wants-you-to-build-the-next-great-xbox-smartglass-experience/)
Other than that there are a few Halo Post Mortems, and sessions pertaining too Windows 8 and WIndows  Phone development. I wish they would live stream these things like other developer conferences do. There's a small chance the Microsoft stuff will get put up on MSDN. But Nintendo realy should like streamed the Unity/GTML roundtables seeing as one of the annoucments was they would be accepting garage devs.
Twisted Pixel's past XBLA games are being bundled on xbla oddly enough.
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/TPG_Bundle_BoxArt.jpg)
 
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 28, 2013, 12:19:25 AM
So according to Paul Thurrot the rumored two model xbox sku (one a set top box and another one a full conolse) has been scrapped in favor of doing just one pure console,
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Post by: Ceric on March 28, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
Oh good.  He is in the know most of the time with MS.

On the streaming thing.  GDC probably doesn't allow to many streams because it would undervalue the conference and buying some of the sessions aftwards.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 28, 2013, 08:26:19 PM
So according to Paul now the April xbox event has been moved to may 21st and apparently the time line will be.
Sometime in may- Initial Xbox Reveal
E3- The big blowout
Build- The developer story
Makes me a bit pessimistic despite Thurrot saying that its going to be big and great for gamers. I understand that the 360 followed a similar reveal and that Microsoft wants to go into three events with massive hype but right now the story on everyones lips is how awesome the PlayStation 4 is. Though at this point Microsoft could announce the literal second coming of Christ and it still would be considered a flop by a few gaming communites cough*gaf*cough.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/bcrt2000/thurrott1_zps8baa03e5.png)
 
Microsoft also announced a new Promo related to their Xbox Rewards program called Play to Earn.
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/93f77193-882e-49ea-9bd8-cf8fbd7451d5.jpg)
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Starting Monday, April 1, we’re launching an exclusive feature for Xbox LIVE Rewards Members, MyPunchcard, an exciting new way to get rewarded for doing what you love!  And this April, all the action is in arcade games with our exclusive Play To Earn (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/marketplace/promotions/play-to-earn) offers, your passion for playing arcade games can pay off in a big way.
Only the most devoted Arcade fans have what it takes to black out all three Arcade Punchcards. Those who do will be guaranteed a spot in an upcoming VIP Exclusives. By simply playing your favorite arcade games and adding to your game collection, you can earn rewards in April. *Click READ MORE for all the details!*
Here’s the three ways you can earn rewards all month long:
> Play 20 hours of any combination of arcade games, receive a free avatar item
> Purchase any four arcade games for 400 Microsoft Points or more from Xbox LIVE, receive a one month Xbox LIVE Gold membership
> Spend 3200 Microsoft Points on arcade games, receive 800 Microsoft Points in return.
It’s easy and fun, you can earn for playing and or buying ANY arcade game from Xbox LIVE[/l]
They also gave a list of games coming out next month
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Here’s a list of games launching in April:
  • BattleBlock Theater
  • Double Dragon II
  • Motocross Madness
  • Sacred Citadel
  • God Mode
  • [/l][/l]

 
 

 
 
[/list]
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 03, 2013, 01:49:09 PM
So Kotaku is reporting the Controller that comes with Durango dev kits is covered in stripes and not that different from the Xbox 360 controller just a bit smaller and more refined. Not sure how much sock to take into this since early PS4 dev kits used the PlayStation 3 controller irrc.
 
http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-and-its-controller-are-currently-covered-465487578 (http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-and-its-controller-are-currently-covered-465487578)
Kotaku new site is horrid. It looks much better than the old one but article visibility is crap.
The CEO of Ubisoft Montreal is saying that the 720 is pretty similar to the PS4 (shocking news). He uses the words connected, interactive, social, and immersive to describe it.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-29-annualised-assassins-next-gen-and-ploughing-fields-the-boss-of-ubisoft-montreal (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-29-annualised-assassins-next-gen-and-ploughing-fields-the-boss-of-ubisoft-montreal)
The Gamestop  CEO is also pretty excited for the console which probably means the it blocks used games rumor is probably false.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/3/4178220/gamestop-ceo-says-next-xbox-hot-compelling-still-skeptical-streaming (http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/3/4178220/gamestop-ceo-says-next-xbox-hot-compelling-still-skeptical-streaming)
 
 
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 04, 2013, 01:54:56 PM
Another Kotaku about the system being have to be connected to play software.
http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-will-require-an-internet-connection-to-st-470062456 (http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-will-require-an-internet-connection-to-st-470062456)
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"Unless something has changed recently," one of the sources told us over email, "Durango consumer units must have an active internet connection to be used."(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18cfrj5l9og81jpg/k-small.jpg)The Next Xbox Has Mandatory Kinect, Game-Swapping and New Controllers, According To Leaked Info (http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one)The next-generation Xbox—the one that will follow the still-popular Xbox 360—will run multiple… Read… (http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one)Durango is the codename for the next-gen Xbox (http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one).
"If there isn't a connection, no games or apps can be started," the source continued. "If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time--currently three minutes, if I remember correctly--the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."
Hmm on one hand kotaku is kotaku and they even say that multiple sources are saying different things. But this isn't the first rumor for anything like this.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 04, 2013, 04:32:06 PM
So they are just reiterating rumors that we already know.

If all these rumors are true, the Xbox 3 is DOA.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 04, 2013, 06:44:07 PM
So they are just reiterating rumors that we already know.

If all these rumors are true, the Xbox 3 is DOA.
Microsoft
Nike
Doritos
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Activision
Keighley
 
With our powers combined I am a blanetly anti consumer product that will go on to make millions in at least the Americas.
 
 
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2013, 09:35:56 PM
Seems like more than rumors now that the Creative Director at Microsoft Studios has chimed in on it.

https://twitter.com/adam_orth (https://twitter.com/adam_orth)

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Manveer is a game designer at Bioware.

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Nothing stops this train:

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Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: pokepal148 on April 04, 2013, 09:58:15 PM
and then they will make xbox live gold mandatory...
i think this alone makes the Wii U, arguably the most traditional console... no forced social/cloud stuff, no always online,
and if this is true used gaming may be at a huge risk
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 04, 2013, 10:04:32 PM
Dude used a flawed analogy but I don't really disagree. Personally I won't mind an always online based system or at least semi always online. Every other device I have is for the most part constantly connected online.
Its funny since my internet connection was messing up earlier today and I had to unplug it to get my 360 connected again.
Always online is annoying but not a deal breaker and i'm saying that right now but once I get to somewhere where I have n internet I'll probably start bitching.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 04, 2013, 10:05:37 PM
and then they will make xbox live gold mandatory...
i think this alone makes the Wii U, arguably the most traditional console... no forced social/cloud stuff, no always online,
and if this is true used gaming may be at a huge risk
But isn't that a small reason hy the Wii U isn't doing hot. There's just no longer a market for just traditional console these days at least in America.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2013, 10:18:20 PM
Always online won't be an issue once Google spreads their free Fiber all over the country, but that is many many years away. Not everyone that wants to game or own an X720 will have access to cheap and reliable high speed internet. And if the internet happens to be down, or really slow, you won't even be able to play the damn games you own to pass the time.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 04, 2013, 10:28:08 PM
The funny thing is that as much as gamers will decry this (if its true or not) the average consumer will probably not even care.
 
Still taking it with a grain of salt regardless.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Oblivion on April 04, 2013, 11:12:19 PM
The funny thing is that as much as gamers will decry this (if its true or not) the average consumer will probably not even care.
 
Still taking it with a grain of salt regardless.
Of course they'll care, as soon as their wifi goes out and they can't play their ****. I deal with the average consumer on a daily basis and you'd be surprised about the things they actually do care about. They aren't mindless zombies.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Sarail on April 05, 2013, 01:32:14 AM
*gets the firewood and smores ready*

This gon' be good.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: oohhboy on April 05, 2013, 03:22:31 AM
Wow, that guy is a douche.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 05, 2013, 03:52:27 AM
Of course they'll care, as soon as their wifi goes out and they can't play their ****. I deal with the average consumer on a daily basis and you'd be surprised about the things they actually do care about. They aren't mindless zombies.

There's also a lot of people who don't even have the internet in their homes or apartments.  Plus in the rural parts of America there's still a good number of people using crappy 56k dial-up connections.  I'm sure these people are going to be real happy when they're told the next Xbox won't even play at their homes because they either have no internet or a connection that won't even work.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: pokepal148 on April 05, 2013, 03:59:25 AM
and then they might as well make Xbox Live Mandatory and remove the free option, they've already screwed the consumer, lets go full force... if this goes through I hope some hacktivists bring down the XBL servers so that nobody can play(and that my popcorn is ready)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: pokepal148 on April 05, 2013, 04:03:34 AM
Dude used a flawed analogy but I don't really disagree. Personally I won't mind an always online based system or at least semi always online. Every other device I have is for the most part constantly connected online.
Its funny since my internet connection was messing up earlier today and I had to unplug it to get my 360 connected again.
Always online is annoying but not a deal breaker and i'm saying that right now but once I get to somewhere where I have n internet I'll probably start bitching.
when PSN went down in 11, you could still play single player games
if this goes down.... you have a nice looking paperweight there
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 05, 2013, 07:06:18 AM
doesn't really since dude has probably been fired at his point. You can see him and the bioware dude he was arguing with quickly backtrack.
Also you obviously read the tweets if your living in a rural area your obviously doing things wrong.
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Oblivion on April 05, 2013, 10:54:09 AM
Also you obviously read the tweets if your living in a rural area your obviously doing things wrong.


Check your sentence structure, I have no idea what you're saying. But it kind of sounds like what that dude was saying on Twitter.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Kairon on April 05, 2013, 12:42:30 PM
I have a very difficult time imagining a future where MS will let an always-online policy or no-used games policy hurt their console's chances with consumers. Either this isn't true, or MS will be changing very quickly either now or after launch. Or maybe gamers will just let them get away with it. But I'm having trouble envisioning a future where gamers are voting with their wallets against always-on DRM and anti-used game policies and MS stays the course.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 05, 2013, 01:08:42 PM
Also you obviously read the tweets if your living in a rural area your obviously doing things wrong.


Check your sentence structure, I have no idea what you're saying. But it kind of sounds like what that dude was saying on Twitter.

whoops.
 
Obviously if you read his tweets you would know living in a rural area is doing things wrong.   
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on April 05, 2013, 02:02:23 PM
I have a very difficult time imagining a future where MS will let an always-online policy or no-used games policy hurt their console's chances with consumers. Either this isn't true, or MS will be changing very quickly either now or after launch. Or maybe gamers will just let them get away with it. But I'm having trouble envisioning a future where gamers are voting with their wallets against always-on DRM and anti-used game policies and MS stays the course.
It will be that one.  History has already proven that Gamers in General are all bark no lasting bite.  Sure in a near term future it might hurt a little but in the long run it will even out to nothing.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Oblivion on April 05, 2013, 02:32:45 PM
I have a very difficult time imagining a future where MS will let an always-online policy or no-used games policy hurt their console's chances with consumers. Either this isn't true, or MS will be changing very quickly either now or after launch. Or maybe gamers will just let them get away with it. But I'm having trouble envisioning a future where gamers are voting with their wallets against always-on DRM and anti-used game policies and MS stays the course.
It will be that one.  History has already proven that Gamers in General are all bark no lasting bite.  Sure in a near term future it might hurt a little but in the long run it will even out to nothing.


Isn't this kind of the same with all communities? Whether it's film, television, tech, no matter what a company does, we will all continue sucking their dick.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ian Sane on April 05, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
MS won't get anywhere being the ONLY console that has these types of restrictions.  You know the PS4 will have all the same games except for first party stuff.  This is all stuff PUBLISHERS like but they aren't the ones who buy the product.  There is no advantage to customers.

MS pulls a lot of **** in the computing industry because they've got everyone by the balls.  Businesses will have decades of important files that can only be accessed on an IBM compatible computer so they can't just switch formats if MS ticks them off and there isn't any strong competitor for operating systems for the "Wintel" standard.  But with consoles, you pretty much start over each gen anyway.  You can switch vendors with virtually no negative impact whatsoever.  These days we do have digital purchases but it still doesn't grab you for life like a computer can.

Sim City's whole always-online backfired so badly that EA gave away FREE games to smooth things over.  While the game sold well it was mostly due to a lot of customers not being fully aware of what they were getting into and they sure as hell made a big fuss once they found out.  And this is just a game which makes most of its money in release day sales anyway.  But a console has to last for years and building a reputation as "that always-online console that kicks you off any time there is a network hiccup and doesn't let you play used games" won't ensure longterm sales.  Odd are a big chunk of customers would buy the thing at launch having no idea about this always-online stuff, run into Sim City like issues with it, and return the thing thinking it's defective.

I say bring it on.  I want MS to do it and I want it to fail miserably so that no one will try it again.  Every console maker seems to let success go to their heads and then they **** up HUGE.  Nintendo couldn't sell the world on $80 cartridges over $50 CDs, Sony couldn't sell the world on a $600 console.  What fantasy land does MS live in where they think that the world will accept a console that locks out used games when there are other consoles on the next shelf over that don't?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Ceric on April 05, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
I have a very difficult time imagining a future where MS will let an always-online policy or no-used games policy hurt their console's chances with consumers. Either this isn't true, or MS will be changing very quickly either now or after launch. Or maybe gamers will just let them get away with it. But I'm having trouble envisioning a future where gamers are voting with their wallets against always-on DRM and anti-used game policies and MS stays the course.
It will be that one.  History has already proven that Gamers in General are all bark no lasting bite.  Sure in a near term future it might hurt a little but in the long run it will even out to nothing.


Isn't this kind of the same with all communities? Whether it's film, television, tech, no matter what a company does, we will all continue sucking their dick.
No not fully.  Especially Film.  TV as well.  Tech is debatable.  Just not nearly as bad as gaming.

Ian, I will argue that MS in the OS has always been pretty darn willing to bend over backwards accomodating different standards and allowing people to use the platform.  Especially compared to Apple.  Who is by far the worse offender in the OS space for arbitrarily changing things on a whim and breaking BC.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on April 06, 2013, 12:10:32 AM
Always online=live required. That means a subscription is mandatory when buying the device. This is where we see MS introducing the "pay 200 now then 80 dollars a month forever" model.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: pokepal148 on April 06, 2013, 12:17:42 AM
Always online=live required. That means a subscription is mandatory when buying the device. This is where we see MS introducing the "pay 200 now then 80 dollars a month forever" model.
gee thanks for repeating what I said already... live is still a rip off
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: SixthAngel on April 06, 2013, 11:18:46 AM
Always online=live required. That means a subscription is mandatory when buying the device. This is where we see MS introducing the "pay 200 now then 80 dollars a month forever" model.
gee thanks for repeating what I said already... live is still a rip off

I'm not repeating what you said, I'm referencing the new subscription model for 360 they've been tring out. I expect them to try to sell it very cheaply up front with a much more expensive live that makes them more money in the long run
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 06, 2013, 12:50:40 PM
I Always online was a thing for the 720 ts probably been scrapped by now or is going to be. But it won't matter a lot of rumors for next gen is that if the big three won't do it than the publishers themselves will. Heard that Destiny, Watchdogs, and AC4 will be play while online only, or at least the game will be severly stripped down if your playing offline.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 07, 2013, 12:21:12 PM
So Paul Thurrott has confirmed via an article on his website that the next xbox is indeed.
 
http://winsupersite.com/xbox/xbox-vnext-and-always?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://winsupersite.com/xbox/xbox-vnext-and-always?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
 
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I was asked about this guy’s alleged meltdown on Twitter and via email a number of times. My take-aways were simple:
                                 1) Always-on connectivity is indeed part of the next Xbox, and it was interesting to see this guy confirm that unofficially.
                                 2) He could have been more tactful, but let’s face it, people are way too sensitive online.
                                 3) The biggest issue here, frankly, was the cyberbullying that occurred in the wake of Orth’s comments. Those sensitive people aren’t so sensitive when it comes to other people, that’s for sure. In fact, that’s my exact definition of a bully.

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now I have a fourth take-away.
                                 4) Microsoft is only upset about the way this feature was communicated, because it likes to present this kind of thing has a positive, not a negative.
                                 Folks, the next Xbox is going to require an always-on Internet connection. I don’t know the specifics of what that means, but as I explained on this week’s What The Tech podcast, which was recorded on Friday instead of the usual Tuesday because of my travel earlier in this week, this piece of information had been communicated to me, along with some other relevant tidbits, in January. It’s true.
                                 Will Microsoft change this requirement in the wake of early outrage? Frankly I think we’re too far along in the development process of the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, to make such a change. More to the point, I think that an always-on Xbox is directly in keeping with Microsoft’s strategy for all next-generation platforms, including Windows Phone (all versions) and Windows 8 (http://www.windowsitpro.com/windows-8)/RT, which are designed to work as if you are simply connected all the time. Yes, they do work offline, of course. But the apps platform on these systems—which will be replicated on the Windows 8-based next Xbox—assumes a connection. Microsoft’s new platforms are integrated conduits for online services.

This does make a lot of sense if you look at Microsoft's ecosystem they're probably only second to google when it comes to have every thing connected and syncing.  Still this article as well as others haven't put down a distinct difference between always on and Always online. While being similar and going hand in hand sometimes they're two completely different thing. My uncle's apple TV is always on despite not always being online with the only way to truly turn it off being to unplug the device,
Its going to be interesting how Microsoft tries to spin this as a positive.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Shaymin on April 07, 2013, 03:20:06 PM
Funny thing, this thread was one of the first things I read after my internet returned from an unscheduled multi-hour outage in which I was still able to play my games.

#dealwithit
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 07, 2013, 03:36:41 PM
Someone transcribed Paul's comments from this week's what the tech.
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"The next Xbox is code-named Durango. And we have talked for a while about this notion that there might be another version of the Xbox that was just aimed at entertainment—a non-gaming device. That device was code-named 'Yumo' and they're not making it. They may make one in the future, but it's not happening this year.

 "So the new Xbox that comes out this year will just be the Xbox. And I mentioned before they're also going to sell a new Xbox 360 code-named 'Stingray' that will be $99. And you might look at that as two things: backwards compatibility, obviously, suggesting—I don't actually know this for a fact, but based on the fact that they're making one—I don't think that the new Xbox will play 360 games. But that I don't actually know, that I'm guessing. But, the other one is that, $99, that's a real coo price. And so we know that the Xbox 360 does Netflix, Hulu Plus, yada yada yada, and you can make the argument that's kind of a low cost entertainment device, too.

 "Durango is going to be expensive [laughs], you know $500, $300 for the subscription, that kind of thing, but you know, Blu-ray, blah blah blah, but the thing that interest me, going back and looking at some of the stuff I got a long time ago, it actually says 'must be internet-connected to use' in the notes. And that's all I have, but it does say that.

 [Is that a bad thing?]

 "I don't know because I don't know what it means. You know, when you look at some of the stories that were coming out this week about, you know, I saw a headline that said something like 'Next Xbox could be okay without an internet connection for as long as 3 minutes' or something like that. I don't even know what that means, so for me, Xbox 360 is almost entirely an online experience. Most of the games I play are multiplayer, where you're playing against other people online. Or you're using it as an entertainment device when you're connected to a service like Netflix or Xbox video, so that is an internet-connected device. In this phrase, it says 'must be internet-connected to use', you know, that suggests that you can't even boot into the UI and play—I don't know, I don't know, I don't have one.

"Originally, they were going to announce this thing in April—April 24—now they're going to announce it May 21. We know there are events occuring this year where we're going to learn more about Durango.

 [And it's a fourth quarter release, right?]

 "Early November, yeah. E3 is going to occur. BUILD is going to occur in San Francisco in June when they're going to talk about the developer story because it's a Windows 8 device. It's going to have the same, or basically the same, developer tools and developer APIs and all that kind of stuff. So I think there's a lot information to come, but I look at all this stuff that I've seen about Durango and I think, 'it's all positive.' I don't really see any bad news here at all. Like to me, everything I've seen about this is really positive. It's amazing to me that, based on like no information at all, everyone is like freaking out about everything. Aside from this online thing, by the way, the number one question I've gotten from people is, 'What does it look like?' Who gives a **** what it looks like?

"I've actually heard from, by the way not one or two people, several people who've said, 'based on what I've seen, Sony is going to blow them away.' Based on what you've seen? You've seen nothing. What are you talking about? No, but you've seen literally nothing from Microsoft.

 [I don't think that's even a possibility considering how many people use Xbox LIVE... You're not going to have this mass Xbox audience jumping to Sony.]

 "The problem Microsoft has has nothing to do with Sony or Nintendo anymore, it's Roku and AppleTV. The market for hardcore video games, the market of people will always buy the next Gears of War game, the next Halo game, the next Call of Duty game, it's fairly finite. It's a decent market, yada yada yada, it's not the market for tablets, it's not the market for smartphones.
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Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: pokepal148 on April 07, 2013, 03:53:35 PM
to be fair microsoft actually has the money to buy the servers needed to do this
but a server system of that magnitude could bring xbox live fees up the 3 digit mark, i can honestly see them making live mandatory because to keep the servers running would be a huge pain, i find it ironic that microsoft was supposedly looking at creating their own cable service because xbox live may have to go under that pricing scheme
xbox live, only 20$ a month(or 240$ a year)
and now instead of just cutting off games when the next one goes around microsoft can literally just flip a switch and make every 720 a brick, you are buying a liscence to use a gaming system...
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 07, 2013, 06:22:13 PM
Meh...and Stingray is the codename of the Verizon version of the Motorola Xoom.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 07, 2013, 09:14:29 PM
Meh...and Stingray is the codename of the Verizon version of the Motorola Xoom.

          Tom Warren on the verge corroborated that May 21st being the day of the event. He however did point out that the stringray info paul had was wrong.
He did add this about the info.
     
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There's no doubt that Durango will support always online and always on modes with Connected Standby. Durango is built from the core of Windows 8, which provides instant on and Connected Standby support. It's essentially an x86 machine that's optimized for gaming.
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: pokepal148 on April 07, 2013, 09:20:13 PM
Meh...and Stingray is the codename of the Verizon version of the Motorola Xoom.

          Tom Warren on the verge corroborated that May 21st being the day of the event. He however did point out that the stringray info paul had was wrong.
He did add this about the info.     
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There's no doubt that Durango will support always online and always on modes with Connected Standby. Durango is built from the core of Windows 8, which provides instant on and Connected Standby support. It's essentially an x86 machine that's optimized for gaming.
 
metro confirmed
#!@&*% I BURNT MY POPCORN
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 07, 2013, 11:36:00 PM
But metro is a awesome design language. But was it really surprising when the current 360 dashboard is as metroized as Microsoft could get it to be.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 08, 2013, 03:09:01 AM
Metro is a terrible interface for anything that's not a touch screen. There's a reason Apple uses different interfaces on Macs than they do on iOS devices, and it's that they're very different things.
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Post by: Enner on April 08, 2013, 03:50:43 AM
A $500 box, $300 subsidized.
That sounds right for the rumored specs, I think.

It's been so long since new consoles that it is easy to forget how expensive this hobby is, especially for the early adopter.
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Post by: RABicle on April 08, 2013, 07:53:15 AM
God. Subsidised. Or, how are they going to make the working class pay more?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 08, 2013, 09:20:55 AM
If it's the same deal as the subsidized 360s they have now, it's $15 a month for 2 years, so $300 extra, but since that includes Xbox Live for those years, about a $100 value, you'd pretty much be breaking even on the subsidized model.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 08, 2013, 09:52:36 AM
So there will be a price cut in two years.  Fine...that doesn't mean value was lost.  After all the owner got those 2 years to play a system.

I don't like the system...but subsidized does allow some people to pay for things they can not afford.  In the end, it is just another option.  It costs you more in the end, but gives you benefits now.  And some people won't buy systems that are 2-3 years into a life cycle, because the system is half way through life...or close to it.  I haven't really done that ever.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 08, 2013, 10:13:56 AM
Metro is a terrible interface for anything that's not a touch screen. There's a reason Apple uses different interfaces on Macs than they do on iOS devices, and it's that they're very different things.
Metro isn't on the same on Windows and Windows Phone. While they share a lot both share content in different ways (horizontal vs Vertical). Even ignoring my Ultrabook has a touchscreen my touchpad s pretty similar to the one on a MacBook and just using gestures works pretty well with Windows 8. But I see where your coming from I had to used Windows 8 on a non touch screen or good trackpad and it was more of a pain than I remember it being,
 
 
 
Microsoft selling their Mediaroom division so they can focus on Xbox as they're TV strategy gong forward.
 http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2013/04/08/mediaroom-and-our-tv-journey.aspx (http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2013/04/08/mediaroom-and-our-tv-journey.aspx)
 
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The following is a post from Yusuf Mehdi, Corporate Vice President of Marketing, Strategy and Business for the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft.

Today, Microsoft and Ericsson announced a definitive agreement for Ericsson to acquire Mediaroom, the number one IPTV platform deployed by TV operators around the world. This acquisition is mutually beneficial and strategically aligned for both parties. Ericsson will continue to invest in the growth and success of Mediaroom to the benefit of customers, employees, and the industry. It allows Microsoft to commit 100 percent of its focus on consumer TV strategy with Xbox.

 We are proud of the world-class engineering and business achievements within Mediaroom. They have a rich history of driving innovation in IPTV. As early pioneers, they built the infrastructure to stream video on limited bandwidth, and today they enable multiscreen entertainment experiences for pay TV subscribers. Mediaroom has contributed to the evolution of TV and powers 22 million set-top boxes today in 11 million subscriber households.

With the sale of Mediaroom, Microsoft is dedicating all TV resources to Xbox in a continued mission to make it the premium entertainment service that delivers all the games and entertainment consumers want – whether on a console, phone, PC or tablet. And with 76 million Xbox 360 consoles around the world with 46 million Xbox LIVE members, it is a mission that gets us out of bed in the morning.

 It is not a mission that we can achieve alone. We want to partner with the industry to deliver the next wave of innovation in games and consumer entertainment. We will partner with content creators, studios, labels, networks, content aggregators, operators and distributors to make this happen. We believe the future of home entertainment is one where TV becomes more simple, tailored and intelligent. We believe the best is yet to come for this industry.

 Our vision and energy for the future of entertainment is more focused than ever. Stay tuned.

It makes sense not focus this effort on xbox instead of having too competing platforms. It ts funny watching gaf freak the **** out when both sony and Microsoft have info saying more people are using these consoles for straight entertainment boxes instead of just gamng. They also seem to forget that gaming falls under entertainment and its own niche thing
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2013, 01:44:51 PM
Except there will almost certainly be a price cut in two years.
This is why Thatcher died, she's satisfied that people are carrying on her evil legacy.

You do know political discussions are banned? And there is a reason Thatcher is considered one of the best world leaders of the 20th century. I wont get into it here though since unlike you, I will not break the rules.

I finally tried the Windows 8 interface at a store, and I hate it. I kind of hope it flops as badly as Vista did, so then they will not keep this interface.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 08, 2013, 02:03:07 PM
You do know political discussions are banned? ... I wont get into it here though since unlike you, I will not break the rules.
Except that you just did when you said this:

And there is a reason Thatcher is considered one of the best world leaders of the 20th century.
Ha! Burned!!!  :@ :@ :@
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2013, 02:05:29 PM
I didnt get into political reasons, nor did I start a thread celebrating her death (like RAB did).
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 08, 2013, 02:44:06 PM
Except there will almost certainly be a price cut in two years.
This is why Thatcher died, she's satisfied that people are carrying on her evil legacy.

You do know political discussions are banned? And there is a reason Thatcher is considered one of the best world leaders of the 20th century. I wont get into it here though since unlike you, I will not break the rules.

I finally tried the Windows 8 interface at a store, and I hate it. I kind of hope it flops as badly as Vista did, so then they will not keep this interface.
Er Vista was only a flop from the critical perspective. Irrc it sold pretty well but was quickly fixed with a service patch and Windows 7.
Would have to wonder why you didn't like it seeing as its literally Windows 7 with the Metro stuff added on. Maybe its because I've been conditioned by smartphones and tablets but I spend most of time in the metro stuff unless i'm using the internet. I mean the start screen is just the star menu with Notifications and live tiles.
(http://i.imgur.com/agMsulb.png)
Plus I can snap aps to always have twitter on the side
(http://i.imgur.com/OZRLIUm.png)
 
But on topic I was reading a  article by edge on why Microsoft not announcing anything was bad for gaming Journalist. 
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Post by: Oblivion on April 08, 2013, 02:54:50 PM
My god, windows 8 sucks.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
It's the whole piss-poor metro design. Even with a touchscreen (which is how I tried it out), I hated it
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Post by: Ceric on April 08, 2013, 03:09:03 PM
Its great on the Windows Phones it was tailored design for but, its obvious that a Bean Counter made the decision to transfer it without going threw the research the phone version had.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 08, 2013, 03:19:24 PM
It's really not that bad. Once you're actually using a program...it's basically the same Windows it's always been.
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Post by: Kairon on April 08, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
I'm sure Windows 8 has plenty of good points... But it's hard for me to break out of my "skip-every-other-MS-OS" take on the Windows brand. I mean, my new laptop arrived last week and I went out of my way to make sure it was Windows 7 Pro with XP Mode support instead of Windows 8.

That may be not wholly rational, but it's my own consumer behavior. Plus, heck, I'm a PC, and Windows 8 doesn't look like a PC to me.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Stogi on April 08, 2013, 07:02:52 PM
So let me get this straight...

Durango has always on and constantly uploads video feed ro Microsoft through the Kinect. Talk about invasive.

Also it might not allow used games and it could cost 500 bucks? Who is this product for?
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Post by: Sarail on April 08, 2013, 07:16:03 PM
Hitler.

But seriously, I really feel like Microsoft are digging themselves into a hole. A GIANT one, mind you. The whole premise of this console just doesn't seem to mesh with the one country it primarily should sell well in - America.

I worry. But then, anything to make Nintendo look better in the eyes of core gamers in America is fine by me.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2013, 07:17:06 PM
So let me get this straight...

Durango has always on and constantly uploads video feed ro Microsoft through the Kinect. Talk about invasive.

Also it might not allow used games and it could cost 500 bucks? Who is this product for?


(http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/fictional/2011/mr-monopoly_197x282.jpg)
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Post by: pokepal148 on April 08, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
So let me get this straight...

Durango has always on and constantly uploads video feed ro Microsoft through the Kinect. Talk about invasive.

Also it might not allow used games and it could cost 500 bucks? Who is this product for?
its for you to send to people you hate...
how much does it weigh i want to figure out the postage on sending one to Insanolord (with the 500$ bill on him)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: azeke on April 08, 2013, 11:36:30 PM
It struck me yesterday. Lots of people are raging over always online game platform and single player games requiring online.

Isn't that kinda hypocritical considering "always online" game platform that launched with single player game requiring online already happened in 2004?

And yet that single player game is considered one of the best games ever made by many despite that it had horrendous launch due to that online thing.

And that game platform is considered as gaming savior by many?

How's that possible? What do you think? Why the very same people singing praises to Steam and Half Life 2 suddenly hate always online?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2013, 11:38:47 PM
I dont know about on PC, but the Xbox 360 version of Half-Life 2 does NOT require an Internet connection to play.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 09, 2013, 02:39:57 AM
Steam has an offline mode. If the next Xbox has something similar people will be less upset about it.
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Post by: azeke on April 09, 2013, 03:00:47 AM
Steam has an offline mode.
It does have something that they call "offline".

If the next Xbox has something similar people will be less upset about it.
One of the main issues people seem to be having with it is that they have unstable connection that might turn off your network at any random time.

Steam's "offline mode" can only be activated while in online mode thus defeating the entire point.

Hence if you get disconnected you won't be able to activate this "offline mode" and you won't be able to start any of your games.

So i really hope those people who are angry at always online DRM don't use and like Steam, because otherwise that would make them huge hypocrites.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 09, 2013, 04:02:56 AM
Steam's "offline mode" can only be activated while in online mode thus defeating the entire point.

Hence if you get disconnected you won't be able to activate this "offline mode" and you won't be able to start any of your games.

So i really hope those people who are angry at always online DRM don't use and like Steam, because otherwise that would make them huge hypocrites.

I don't know why you would think this, because this is not true. I just unplugged my ethernet and started a game to check and see if I was crazy or they changed it, but naw, you are just plain incorrect.

(http://i.imgur.com/odCGU3I.jpg)
 
Unless it's different in your territory, or something? Check yo self
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Post by: azeke on April 09, 2013, 04:20:03 AM
Huh?

I've checked forums and it appears you're right, they've finally fixed offline mode after nine years!

I just remember how some years ago i had problems with my disconnected network and couldn't access any of my Steam games.

Cool! I take my words back.

Edit. From what i gather you still need to be online at least once per every new game. That's... acceptable i guess.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 09, 2013, 04:25:17 AM
Yeah, it seemed weird. I seemed to remember doing it around 2008 or 2009 for a LAN party. I thought it was always like that?
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Post by: Do_What on April 09, 2013, 08:42:20 AM
I play steam games all the time while being offline. I know because when I had clearwire for a month I was regularly without internet. It just didn't work. But I could play steam games. What I couldn't do was play my xbox live arcade games that I bought on my first xbox that broke. That's before I knew you could get the licenses moved over.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 09, 2013, 09:33:00 AM
I like how we are talking about rumored and unconfirmed features as if it is the death of the system.  This will most likely be a 100% nonissue.  So lets not talk about it...until it actually is an issue.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 09, 2013, 09:56:07 AM
Its funny how Titan and Destiny will be always online. Its also rumored that AC4 and watchdogs will be as well. So there's a good chance that regardless if the Platform holder decides on it most games will be always online anyway.
This isn't even new ground for Microsoft seeing as Ascend New Gods will not be playale offline.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Oblivion on April 09, 2013, 09:57:33 AM
I like how we are talking about rumored and unconfirmed features as if it is the death of the system.  This will most likely be a 100% nonissue.  So lets not talk about it...until it actually is an issue.


And why can't we talk about it? IF it is true, its dead. If it isn't... well, good for Microsoft. I don't understand why we can't discuss rumors and what we think about them. Isn't that the point of forum discussion?
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 09, 2013, 10:03:36 AM
edit: oops wrong thread
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 09, 2013, 06:11:59 PM
Because we have already made that point, and both sides have argued their points, andnow there is literally nothing to add to the discussion. 
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 09, 2013, 07:03:30 PM
Are there any indications or rumors as to launch titles? I would settle for some soothing lies even, if they affirmed KI3.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 09, 2013, 10:31:54 PM
Are there any indications or rumors as to launch titles? I would settle for some soothing lies even, if they affirmed KI3.
So far Microsoft has these studios and each studios last game.
United States
343i Industries (Halo 4- 2012)
Good Science Studios -(Kinect fun Lab- 2011 helped with backend Halo multiplayer stuff)
Turn 10 Studios - (Forza Horizon - 2012 but only helped a but while Playground games did the bulk)
Twisted Pixel- (Lococycle- sometimes this year)
Microsoft Studios LA- (Video content like what Netflix is doing with AD and house of cards)
Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment - (nothing but I think they helped with the TV games, Nike+, and playfit)
Microsoft Studios Mobile Gaming - (illomilo port- 2010)
Microsoft Studio -Redmond publishing (pretty new so not sure I think its mostly third party relations)
Platform next studios-
Skybox sports -
connected experiences- (helping with bigger studios)
 
Europe
Lionhead- (Fable the Journey- 2012)
Lift London (Phil Harrisons Pet project will be focusing on Windows 8 until it can get biiger)
Rare LTD - (Kinect Sports 2 - 2011)
Soho Productions (Seasme Street Kinect TV -2012)
Press Play- (Max and the cursed brotherhood hits sometimes this spring)
Canada
BigPark - (Joyride Turbo - 2012 and did a lot of work on Kinect sports 2)
Black Tusk Studios
Microsoft Studios Victoria
 
 
Out of all the studios where there are rumors for or at least intelligent speculation
US
343i will probably be working on Halo 5 alongside hopefully Spartan ops content. Halo 5 is going to be aways out and im not sure if a spin off game would be ready so soon. (I want a spin off by telltale)
Turn 10 is probably working on the next Forza game. While we might here about it i'm not expecting it too come until next year.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/forza-developer-turn-10-hiring-for-next-generation-of-games/ (http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/forza-developer-turn-10-hiring-for-next-generation-of-games/)
 
 
Twisted Pixel has a second studio working on a project that will probably be related to the Durango XBLA
Lionhead is a two team studio. They went through a lot of restricting following molyneux leaving a and Phil Harrison joining Microsoft Studios. They were hiring for what looks to be an MMO (or whatever you call the new bungie game). My guess is one Fable project and one non fable Project.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/lionhead-hiring-for-next-gen-mmo-like-title-6377252 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/lionhead-hiring-for-next-gen-mmo-like-title-6377252)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-10-microsoft-announces-lift-london-a-new-developer-focused-on-cloud-games-for-tablets-mobiles-and-tvs (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-10-microsoft-announces-lift-london-a-new-developer-focused-on-cloud-games-for-tablets-mobiles-and-tvs)
Rare has recently went through a shake up with the fomer studio head leaving too become the creative director at Lift London. There are quite a few rumors out about rare starting with them being a multi team studio.  Last year before e3 Rare had Job postings point ing too games in the action/adventure or FPS drama. VGleaks the site that posted most of the leaks. The biggest leak/speculation is that Rare is working on Project Gotham Racing 5 with Lucid games. Details are below since its a lot of info.
ttp://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/12/rare-job-listings-point-to-next-gen-free-to-play (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/12/rare-job-listings-point-to-next-gen-free-to-play)
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-11725-Rare-Working-on-Action-Adventure-/-FPS-Title-for-Next-Gen-.html (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-11725-Rare-Working-on-Action-Adventure-/-FPS-Title-for-Next-Gen-.html)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=518712 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=518712)
Black Tusk is working on whats supposed to be a sci-fi horror game running on unreal engine 4.
http://www.shogungamer.com/news/15050/microsoft-reveals-black-tusk-studios-rumored-making-sci-fi-shooter (http://www.shogungamer.com/news/15050/microsoft-reveals-black-tusk-studios-rumored-making-sci-fi-shooter)
http://www.shacknews.com/article/77683/black-tusk-studios-working-on-four-microsoft-ips (http://www.shacknews.com/article/77683/black-tusk-studios-working-on-four-microsoft-ips)
 
May have missed some stugg but this thread on gaf has a lot of stuff
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511206 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511206)
 
as far as launch/window im expecting
PGR5
Kinect something
A platformer from Rare
Ryse
Alan Wake 2
Black Tusk Game
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 09, 2013, 11:39:19 PM
Doesn't Nintendo have any stake in KI?
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Post by: azeke on April 09, 2013, 11:44:36 PM
^ That's one sad line-up.

And i thought PS4 lineup (from what was officially announced) was underwhelming...

We probably should expect more exciting stuff from second and third parties. Avalanche studios (Just Cause guys) are doing something, Epic is definitely doing something.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 10, 2013, 12:51:44 AM
^ That's one sad line-up.

And i thought PS4 lineup (from what was officially announced) was underwhelming...

We probably should expect more exciting stuff from second and third parties. Avalanche studios (Just Cause guys) are doing something, Epic is definitely doing something.

How is it a bad Line up? I see new studios as well as new IP from both Microsoft and Sony. I mean if anything Nintendo's current known line up is looking pretty by the books as well.
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Post by: SixthAngel on April 10, 2013, 01:35:42 AM
^ That's one sad line-up.

And i thought PS4 lineup (from what was officially announced) was underwhelming...

We probably should expect more exciting stuff from second and third parties. Avalanche studios (Just Cause guys) are doing something, Epic is definitely doing something.

If a third party isn't already announced it isn't a launch title (outside of ms ownedv3rd part games like gears). Third party games not 100% bought and paid for will all be crossgen the first year.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 10, 2013, 01:53:10 AM
Doesn't Nintendo have any stake in KI?
No, that property is 100% Rare currently
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 10, 2013, 01:27:24 PM
The verge apparently has more on Microsofts Entertaiment plans.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/10/4208970/next-xbox-tv-entertainment-plans (http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/10/4208970/next-xbox-tv-entertainment-plans)
Quote
Microsoft is investing in TV in a big way with its next Xbox console as part of a fight for the living room (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/13/3640178/war-for-tv-inside-the-fight-for-the-living-room). Multiple sources familiar with the company's Xbox plans have revealed to The Verge that Microsoft will introduce a feature that lets its next-generation console take over a TV and set-top box in a similar way to Google TV. We understand that the next Xbox will require an online connection to use the entertainment services, allowing them to be always-on for streaming and access to TV signals.
The functionality will work by taking a cable box signal and passing it through to the Xbox via HDMI, allowing Microsoft's console to overlay a UI and features on top of an existing TV channel or set-top box. We're told that this is a key part of the next-generation Xbox and that it will go a step further than Google's TV implementation thanks to Microsoft's partnerships with content providers. Extended support for various cable services will be rolled out gradually, but the basic functionality will be available at launch.
Coupled with this TV functionality, Microsoft's next-generation Kinect sensor will also play a role in the company's TV focus. The Verge has learned that the next Kinect will detect multiple people simultaneously, including the ability to detect eye movement to pause content when a viewer turns their head away from a TV. Microsoft is said to be using these capabilities as part of its UI and features for its TV plans.
Microsoft recently announced its plans to sell its Mediaroom IPTV business to Ericsson (http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/8/4196336/microsoft-mediaroom-iptv-sale-ericsson). The sale moves Microsoft away from supporting and helping build out software that's used in over 22 million set-top boxes worldwide. It's also part of an effort by Microsoft to focus fully on its Xbox console for entertainment apps and TV services. We're told that the company is still planning to introduce its own low-cost "Xbox TV" set-top box (http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/21/3674802/xbox-tv-set-top-box-casual-gaming-streaming-2013), but that this will likely debut early next year rather than alongside the next-generation console.
Microsoft is currently planning an Xbox event for May (http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/8/4195954/microsoft-planning-xbox-event-for-may) where we expect the company to detail parts of its next-generation Xbox. A spokesperson for Microsoft refused to comment on this story.
Sounds similar to Google TV or Nintendo's Tvii but more useful since the overall would probably always be there and they have been working on partnerships with cable companies.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 10, 2013, 05:57:47 PM
VGleaks posted a roadmap of the Xbox line of products and more Durnago deatials
http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/ (http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/)
-Microsoft plans to expand the xbox line with two models.
-One is Durango and the other is redesigned 360 model called xbox mini.
-The cheaper 360 model would be focused on being a set top a la Apple TV and wouldn't have a disc drive only playing games downloaded from the HDD.
- Mini is being designed for always online and to take advantage of xbox live
-Game can be played by purchasing or downloading from xbla/games on demand
-When used in conjunction with the Durango if offers Backwards compatibility for disc and download based games.
-Similar to what Sony is doing with Gaikai on a local level.
-Everything will run through Durango after connected
-These features won't work with current xbox 360 models for various reasons.
-Durango won't have BC out of the box and will really in a smaller xbox unit to do so. (like the HD-dvd add on for the xbox 360)
-Xbox Mini si made to compete against the apple TV/Roku
-Always online comes from the xbox mini since lack of a disc dive makes it useless without a connection.
-Consoles might be stackable
-Durango always online but it isn't required to play local content and it won't used games
-Putting in a360 disc will prompt a message saying but the BC add-on.
-By separating them this allows price competiveness between the two devices.
-Delaying the event to may is because like sony they don't have the final casing down but should have it ready by may.
-The Xbox mini would be $150 or lower and Durango priced similar to the PS4.
-A different department works on Kinect than the regular Xbox hardware division.
-Kinect isn't the primary focus.
-Devlopment Kits required several different hardware configurations which is where the Kinect is required rumor sprag from.
 
also superannuation at kotaku  was digging through some psotings and found some stuff.
http://kotaku.com/hints-of-a-next-gen-xbox-tv-strategy-a-multiplayer-qua-472072240?rev=1365607155 (http://kotaku.com/hints-of-a-next-gen-xbox-tv-strategy-a-multiplayer-qua-472072240?rev=1365607155)
-Video Cognition team working on features for the next xbox
-Has stuff to do with content anaylyois to give recommendations (like Tivo/Netflix)
-Mentions something called XTV
-Next Gen version of smartglass is in protoyping stages.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 10, 2013, 06:34:05 PM
Shingi:  Actually, I really like that direction, Microsoft is taking.

I know some people will hate it.  But it allows for some interesting ideas.  If you want perfect BC its there with a box that will probably cost around $150.00.  That price is fairly cheap (though pulled out of thin air so who knows) And if you have an Xbox 360 already you don't need to worry about that.

The always online feature is because you have to download titles...however, Xbox Arcade games were not designed to lock you out if you were not online, so you can most likely play your games offline. 

The new system will be able to cut BC costs out, and focus on the future of games without being hindered.  It will not have the always online BS people are complaining about. 

To me, this all sounds like Win/Win.

Now, hopefully Microsoft will rethink its online strategy and give us a price break on live or at least give us some more free features.
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Post by: Stogi on April 10, 2013, 07:09:14 PM
But it won't play used games. That's a loss.

I wonder if I could even take a game to a friends place.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: shingi_70 on April 10, 2013, 07:52:27 PM
But it won't play used games. That's a loss.

I wonder if I could even take a game to a friends place.
The VGleaks said it can run used games.
Seems Adam Orth was fired this week,
(http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u339/Glas2008/AlwaysOn_zps08deb293.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/QdrPxrgl.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~Rumor/Speculation Thread~
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 10, 2013, 09:52:29 PM
Yeah, I think the won't play used games stuff is BS.  The only way they could get away with that is if they set up a system in which you can log in as multiple users to play games.  Then if a game is registered to you, you could play the game at a friends house, but then you have to be online to play a game at a friends house.  However, if you play at home then the system sees that it is your game online or off. 

However, I do like the idea of having a basic Xbox Arcade system that is cheap, and allows me to download and play Xbox arcade games.  The original Xbox has plenty of power to be able to run download games, and I could see Microsoft even upping the RAM of the hardware to help future proof it and try to get double dippers. 

I would be very interested in purchasing such a device for my home arcade needs. 
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 10, 2013, 10:21:45 PM
$150 and it can only play games you download? Terrible idea. The most that they could charge for such a gimped system is $99 IMO. Hell, you are better off just getting a regular Xbox 360 since you can do the same thing plus play DVDs and disc games.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 10, 2013, 10:52:56 PM
Well, as I said the price point is my personal thought.  So they could easily make it $99.99.  If they want to compete with Apple TV that would be a fair price. 

Though, $150.00 wouldn't be an unreasonable price, if the system came with 64 GB hard drive which is up-gradable, a controller, 1 GB RAM, Wifi and Eithernet port, a pre-installed game or two.  Heck if they can pre-install Halo 4 or a version of Halo 4 multi-player then you have yourself a winner. 

Of course I would rather have a lower price point.  But, I am thinking about what MS might try to price it as, so that it can make a profit...and I think that price would be reasonable. 
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 10, 2013, 11:18:20 PM
$150 and it can only play games you download? Terrible idea. The most that they could charge for such a gimped system is $99 IMO. Hell, you are better off just getting a regular Xbox 360 since you can do the same thing plus play DVDs and disc games.
You do know you can can play XBLA and retail games on it just downloaded. It makes a lot of sense. Is cheap quite and does a lot. Microsoft also has been having sales similar in scope to steam sales.
 
You may think its a terrible idea but there's enough evidence to support the opposite. This is an Apple TV that also happens to play games.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 10, 2013, 11:23:46 PM
Apple TV is a failure in terms of sales.

And you can get a non-gimped Xbox 360 for $150, and it will do everything this gimped versions can PLUS play disc-based games and DVDs. So why not get the regular version? Unless the gimped one has like a 500GB hard drive.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 10, 2013, 11:27:38 PM
Sell millions, still a failure? (http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/the-apple-tv-hobby-is-riding-high.-apples-hdtv-display-on-hold)
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 10, 2013, 11:38:05 PM
Well, as I said the price point is my personal thought.  So they could easily make it $99.99.  If they want to compete with Apple TV that would be a fair price. 

Though, $150.00 wouldn't be an unreasonable price, if the system came with 64 GB hard drive which is up-gradable, a controller, 1 GB RAM, Wifi and Eithernet port, a pre-installed game or two.  Heck if they can pre-install Halo 4 or a version of Halo 4 multi-player then you have yourself a winner. 

Of course I would rather have a lower price point.  But, I am thinking about what MS might try to price it as, so that it can make a profit...and I think that price would be reasonable.
Sony has been putting its Multi-player games as free to play up to a certain level for a while now. Always thought Microsoft should have done that for Halo 3 multiplayer or Shadowrun.
Microsoft has been investing in free for a while now.
Happy Wars
Doritos Crash Course 2
World series poker full house pro
Happy Wars is thriving pretty well according to the leaderboards.
Honestly I'd pre install it with a couple of pieces of software
Minecraft
Happy Wars
Seasme Street Kinect TV season1
and a bundle for older folks
The first episode of the walking dead
Alan Wake
Karaoke
 
 
What if you don't want to handle discs? The past few retails games I've bought have been on Live due to Microsoft having some good sales.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 11, 2013, 12:34:43 AM
Well, a 4GB brand new Xbox 360 costs $199.99 on Amazon.com  Yes, in a year they could drop the price again.  The Wii mini is priced at $99.99 and is not even HD, and it can't go online.

So, from a marketing prospective a download only Xbox 360 with netflix, Xbox arcade, and other media features seems perfectly priced at this market around $150.00.  And like I said Microsoft could easily add some RAM to future proof it a little.  Dropping in 1GB Ram and giving it 32-64 GB SSD hard drive with an ability to upgrade via a HDD slot or USB seems like a great deal.

And yeah, I think it would sell.  I would buy it just to be able to have access to the awesome Xbox Live Arcade library which is amazing. 

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Post by: shingi_70 on April 11, 2013, 10:21:39 AM
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/11/4212054/next-xbox-launch-titles-ryse-forza (http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/11/4212054/next-xbox-launch-titles-ryse-forza)
So
Ryse
Forza with super life like graphics
Zombie game (Could be Alan Wake 2 or Black Tusk's new game)
A family game set on a island. (gels with the rumor that Rare was working on something with Water and by the Banjo creator) I'm guessing its going to be a island platformer with water based Travel.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 11, 2013, 04:52:13 PM
And you can get a non-gimped Xbox 360 for $150, and it will do everything this gimped versions can PLUS play disc-based games and DVDs. So why not get the regular version? Unless the gimped one has like a 500GB hard drive.
I think I agree with you on looking at this today.  However, I think they plan to discontinue any new 360s with disc drives when the 720 is released. 

I also think it sounds like they are trying to make this new 360 a companion console to the 720.  The rumors stated that the 720 couldn't do BC on its own, but it you hook the 360 mini to it, you could play old 360 disc games on it.  I know your argument would be then why not just get a regular 360 and 720 and have both and not worry about hooking one to the other.  That's where I think this is aimed at two types of buyers.   One is people who've never bought a 360 and decide to get a 720.  They could get the mini and be able to enjoy any 360 games out there this way.  The other is a group who have limited hook ups to their tv.  This way only one hdmi port is used for both systems.

With that said, I still think this will be no more popular than the Roku which only just sold 5 million units after 5 years on the market.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 11, 2013, 07:11:25 PM
I think it has a very limited market I agree.  But is MS can sell 5 million mini Xbox 360s, then that is a lot of extra money.  And, there is a 3rd market that is people that want a small media device for there TV that also plays games.  The best part of the Xbox mini is that is does play Xbox live games.  The Roku can't do that, and Apple TV can't do that. 

As I said, the system looks to be a cheap entry for casual gamers that want a media system.  The idea to use it for BC seems like an idea to try to get more buyers and make it feel like a more complete and better purchase.  However, I think that is the weakest idea of the system.  As it is, being able to purchase a small download gaming system that plays HD games and is a media device for a low price (I still say $149.99) will be the price if it is released is a hell of a deal in this market. 
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 11, 2013, 07:15:11 PM
The Roku and AppleTV can't play Xbox Live games, but they also don't require a subscription to Xbox Live to function.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 11, 2013, 08:31:32 PM
The live subscription is something that Microsoft has to get over to make the mini as success. If you took that away you now having a very compelling product.
Also I had to laugh at Neogaf not claiming bias for Sony against Microsoft and Nintendo. In the thread for the launch game list there are actually people shitting on and trying to compare the PS4 known games to such concrete info as  Zombie Game and Family Game. While yet prasing the hell out of three sequels and games that will be multiplatform.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 12, 2013, 08:09:19 PM
The Roku and AppleTV can't play Xbox Live games, but they also don't require a subscription to Xbox Live to function.
Sounds like the OUYA can jump in that category now.  It does media streaming like Roku and AppleTV and you can play many Android games on it and you don't need a subscription.  The only problem is the choice of games is not as high quality as XBL games. 
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 14, 2013, 03:29:17 PM
http://playxbla.com/minecraftretail/ (http://playxbla.com/minecraftretail/)
 
Following up those five million sales comes Mincreaft Xbox edition at retail.
April 20th
$19.99
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Minecraft_FOB_v1.4.jpg)
 
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 14, 2013, 03:32:25 PM
Actually, it comes out June 4. It was delayed a few days ago (they claim its so they can make sure it has the latest updates). Meh, its a vastly over-rated "game" anyways. http://www.gamespot.com/news/minecraft-xbox-360-retail-version-delayed-6406917? (http://www.gamespot.com/news/minecraft-xbox-360-retail-version-delayed-6406917?)
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 15, 2013, 01:09:59 AM
Meh, its a vastly over-rated "game" anyways.

heh, look at this guy
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Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2013, 01:13:11 AM
Is the 360 version still inferior to the PC version or does it have the same stuff now?
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Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2013, 08:34:16 AM
I keep saying I'll play Minecraft then I remember its a Sandbox Game... Then I promptly stop caring.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 15, 2013, 09:17:42 AM
Ceric:  I am completely with you.  I can't play sandbox games.  I love objects...and free roaming worlds, make your own game experiences just don't interest me at all.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2013, 10:29:47 AM
There is an object. Slay the Ender Dragon. Hell, the game even has an ending.
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Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2013, 10:35:13 AM
There is an object. Slay the Ender Dragon. Hell, the game even has an ending.
Really?
I have never even heard of the Ender Dragon.  I know more than one Minecraft addict.

So... Is it a Monster Hunter like fight?
Gather Mats, Build Weapon and Armor, then Kill Dragon?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2013, 10:39:47 AM
The endgame was added relatively recently. For a while it was just a sandbox, but then they added RPG elements and NPCs and more of a structure. None of that stuff is mandatory, you can still just play it as a sandbox, but there's structure there if you want it.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2013, 10:48:57 AM
There is an object. Slay the Ender Dragon. Hell, the game even has an ending.
Really?
I have never even heard of the Ender Dragon.  I know more than one Minecraft addict.

So... Is it a Monster Hunter like fight?
Gather Mats, Build Weapon and Armor, then Kill Dragon?


This is what you do: get wood so you can get stone tools. Use those stone tools to find mineshafts or dig down. You need to build up various supplies. Then you use your stone tools to get iron and make tools and armor with it. Then you use iron tools to find diamond. Make a diamond pickaxe at least. Find or make Obsidian (can only be broken with diamond pickaxe). Get enough to make a Nether portal (portal to a different dimension in Minecraft). Traverse the nether and find a nether fortress. Find a Blaze (an enemy) spawner and farm to get blaze rods. They can be used to make an eye of ender. You also need to farm Enderman to get enderman pearls. Use the eye of ender to find the Stronghold and amke the Ender Portal. Go through, kill the dragon (very difficult, bring some friends) and get the dragon egg. You win!


Coupled with some good online server mods, there is more to the game than meets the eye.
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Post by: SixthAngel on April 16, 2013, 01:25:20 AM
I'm trying to wrap my head around why people are excited for yet another Minecraft launch. It has been on PC for years, Xbl for quite some time as well as Android. Is it just people reveling in sales or do people actually want to buy it despite it being available in a dozen other forms?
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Post by: Oblivion on April 16, 2013, 02:21:04 AM
*Three forms


PC is obviously the best, but some people like playing split-screen on their couch so the XBLA version is good for that, even if it has some downsides. This new release is just a physical copy of that. The Android/iOS version shouldn't even count. If you can name nine other platform Minecraft is on, be my guest.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 16, 2013, 02:52:57 AM
Oblivion:  If you just described the entire game...you could not pay me to play that game...it sounds completely boring, and you lost me at farming for materials.  I hate that aspect of almost any game. 
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Post by: oohhboy on April 16, 2013, 09:06:57 AM
On PC you can use the Dev commands which makes you a God of sorts. Once you enable it the game basicly becomes a 3D MS paint. If you don't like Farming or grinding, stay far away from this game if you are going to play it straight.

I see it as more of a toy than a game.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 16, 2013, 09:22:01 AM
I'm trying to wrap my head around why people are excited for yet another Minecraft launch. It has been on PC for years, Xbl for quite some time as well as Android. Is it just people reveling in sales or do people actually want to buy it despite it being available in a dozen other forms?
Probably reveling in sales. Minecraft has become extremely popular with kids but there are still a lot of people without internet. My younger cousin likes to play Mincraft on my tablet and my 360 every time he comes over. With this being $20 he's probably going to pester his mom until he gets a copy. I can see this doing really well.
Haven't really sat down and played minecraft proper since the android version is enough for me.
 
Also for all the mods and features the PC has the xbox Version is superior for the simple fact it has split screen gameplay.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on April 17, 2013, 12:14:41 AM
Oblivion:  If you just described the entire game...you could not pay me to play that game...it sounds completely boring, and you lost me at farming for materials.  I hate that aspect of almost any game.

I spent three hours farming for a Titanite Slab in Dark Souls and I will never forgive myself for it.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 17, 2013, 12:15:44 AM
Oblivion:  If you just described the entire game...you could not pay me to play that game...it sounds completely boring, and you lost me at farming for materials.  I hate that aspect of almost any game.

I spent three hours farming for a Titanite Slab in Dark Souls and I will never forgive myself for it.


But that was so damn fun. :3
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 17, 2013, 12:32:59 PM
So the Microsoft Research/Xbox team have been working on a smartwatch for a year now.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/17/4234294/microsoft-smartwatch-prototype-surface-connector (http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/17/4234294/microsoft-smartwatch-prototype-surface-connector)
 
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Microsoft's smartwatch is said to be in the prototype phase, with teams who have worked on Xbox accessories and the Kinect sensor focused on the device. We're told it features removable bands attached to a 1.5-inch touch display. One prototype includes the same magnetic power connector that Microsoft uses on its Surface tablets (http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/19/3096454/microsoft-surface-tablet-power-data-connector). The MagSafe-like connector is made up of five pins and can transmit both power and data, but we're told this is only a prototype and a final design may omit the connector.

Apparently it was supposed to be a Heart rate moniter fit bit/Nike+ style device to intergrate into Kinect playfit but eventually it was turned into a smartwatch.
I'm guessing where going to see it closer t Durango's launch with some new Fitness software to go with it.
 
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Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2013, 01:13:26 PM
If it does all the monitoring those type of devices can then I be game.  None of the current ones really work with Windows Phone.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 17, 2013, 01:22:48 PM
If it does all the monitoring those type of devices can then I be game.  None of the current ones really work with Windows Phone.
Its the main reason why I look forward to this. I want a fitbit but also want to switch too Windows Phone as well.
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Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2013, 01:28:57 PM
If it does all the monitoring those type of devices can then I be game.  None of the current ones really work with Windows Phone.
Its the main reason why I look forward to this. I want a fitbit but also want to switch too Windows Phone as well.
Yeah, core UI I love my WinPhone but Apps and Accessories are a little lacking.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 18, 2013, 10:40:13 AM
Frontier development (lostwinds, Thrillville) had a Xbox 360 game in the works that got shelved because of the major Kinect push.
(http://abload.de/img/portfolio-zoo-02utx5h.jpg)
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Frontier Development’s follow-up game to its award winning ThrillVille series, was Microsoft Zoo. A game that aimed to take the venerable Zoo Tycoon franchise in an exciting new direction.

 Part zoo creation and part animal interaction, this 3rd person adventure was all charm and lay the groundwork for what would eventually become Kinectimals. Zoo was also the first game in Frontier to use the then relatively new Scaleform SDK for its GUI development.

 Zoo was aimed as a family product and the art style of the UI was designed to target the game’s key demographics of families and children “tweens”. With the GUI artist coming from a marketing background and having worked with the similarly targeted brands of Crash Bandicoot and Spyro the Dragon, the goal was to design a GUI that was fun and inviting to use for kids and adults alike.

 For the look of the GUI, inspiration was taken from junior arts, paper-craft and imaginary journals that could be kept by characters from adventures such as Treasure Island, Huckleberry Finn and Tarzan. Using mainly earthy hues, saturated colours and combined with hand drawn illustrations and woodcut style prints, Frontier aimed to create a rich and colourful interface that matched the vibrancy and charm of the Zoo game world.
(http://abload.de/img/0_82352000_1350172652dca90.jpg)
(http://abload.de/img/0_44428500_1350172644gcxfg.jpg)
 
The game looks to be a Zoo Tycoon with a more Viva Piñata gameplay style. It ended up getting canceled in favor of Project Animals better known as kinectanimals.
(http://[url=http://abload.de/img/0_78479300_134841473098aat.jpg)http://abload.de/img/0_78479300_134841473098aat.jpg[/img[/url]]
Seems unfortunate since this looks gorgerous and appeals to me more than Kinectamls that I here is actually a good game.
 
Also it seems that Microsoft Studios LA first major project is going to be a revival of the TV show heroes by Microsoft/NBC.
 http://tvline.com/2013/04/17/heroes-relaunch-msn-xbox/ (http://tvline.com/2013/04/17/heroes-relaunch-msn-xbox/)[/img]
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(http://Details remain sketchy, but sources confirm that MSN is interested in relaunching the once red-hot NBC Universal franchise with new stories and heroes, while mixing in cameos from the original series’ cast (schedules and interest permitting). The talks are said to be in the preliminary stages.In February, MSN hired former NBC development executive Jada Miranda to oversee production of its fledgling Xbox entertainment studio under ex-CBS president Nancy Tellem (who came on board last fall).[i]Heroes[/i]‘ four-season run on NBC ended in February 2010.)
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 19, 2013, 05:29:46 PM
So Microsoft is producing TV programs now? First PC software, then video games, now TV shows? What will they think of next? An Xbox music label?


I'm assuming Microsoft wants to become the next Sony, a company that has its hands in everything entertainment.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 19, 2013, 07:47:44 PM
So Microsoft is producing TV programs now? First PC software, then video games, now TV shows? What will they think of next? An Xbox music label?


I'm assuming Microsoft wants to become the next Sony, a company that has its hands in everything entertainment.
No they don't want to be like sony.....No one does.
The new game right now being able to offer compelling digital products as a way to kill or de power traditional network TV. Both Nextflix and Amazon have both invested into this heavily as well as Microsoft working on similar things in the past, (Halo shorts and Alan wake miniseries.)
Heroes is a pretty good TV show to try to revie since it was stupidly popular when it was on and still brought in good ratings despite 3 arguably two bad seasons later. The show also was pretty innovate at the time having digital short mini series in the summer as well as pioneering th weekly digital comicbook series.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 23, 2013, 11:15:04 AM
OXM dug some stuff while searching through job postings.
http://www.oxm.co.uk/52658/microsoft-job-listings-back-up-leaked-xbox-720-specs/ (http://www.oxm.co.uk/52658/microsoft-job-listings-back-up-leaked-xbox-720-specs/)
 
Durango is X86
-Black Tusk is hiring for a campaign engineer for single player experiences.
-They're looking someone with experience with Unreal engine
-They're also hiring for someone with experience in smartglass like features
 
Gels with past rumors about Microsoft going pretty deep in using Unreal Engine 4 this gena s well as they're internal stuff.
 
 
Also some guy from Xing Entertainment is corrbating the always online/no used games rumor. Honesly I think is bullshit to get his name out their. They have no prior experience with microoft or consoles in general and his sources sound made up when higher profle devs apparently haven't heard anything in relation to the nextbox, He also says Microsoft is trying to get as few retail partners as possible which doesn't make any sense.
Microsoft is trying to speed up the building of Microsoft stores as well as take retailers like Best Buy and create mini Microsoft stores. They even have a website where you can rate best buy experiences. Not only that but no way Microsoft will kill a good number of their holiday sales.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 24, 2013, 01:47:59 PM
Microsoft has officially confirmed that they will reveal the new Xbox on May 21 at 1PM ET (10AM PT): http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/24/microsoft-confirms-next-gen-xbox-announcement-for-may-21st?utm_campaign=twposts&utm_source=twitter

The announcement will be streamed live on xbox.com, Xbox Live, and on Spike. They say it will be a taste of the future, and will fully unveil it at E3.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 24, 2013, 02:53:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lXAWS3R.png)
(http://[url=http://i.imgur.com/ENpw6.gif]http://i.imgur.com/ENpw6.gif[/url])
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Post by: Ceric on April 24, 2013, 03:00:22 PM
Wait a minute, Nintendo did that with the Wii for the Name.

New Xbox.  Stupid Name.  Feel the Future.

I don't think they are going to do that but, why would they split them.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 24, 2013, 03:17:29 PM
Wait a minute, Nintendo did that with the Wii for the Name.

New Xbox.  Stupid Name.  Feel the Future.

I don't think they are going to do that but, why would they split them.

split what?
 
 
Also according to Geoff Keighley the event is going to be sixty minutes.
 
Its also a bit funny how people are saying Microsoft is doomed for having the event close to E3.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 25, 2013, 10:55:23 AM
Some info from Paul Thurrot who is a pretty reliable Microsoft Journalist.
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Here’s what I know about the next Xbox (along with some clearly-identified conjecture).
Early announce. The initial reveal date was pushed back from April 24 to May 21 so that Microsoft could better position the device against the PlayStation 4, which Sony announced in late February.
Full (end user) announce. Microsoft will fully reveal details about the next Xbox, including the launch lineup of games, on the eve of the E3 tradeshow in early June 2013.
Developer announce? It appears that Microsoft will discuss the next Xbox developer platform at the Build conference in San Francisco in late June, based on clues on the Build web site.
Launch. The next Xbox will launch in early November 2013.
Windows 8 Core. The next Xbox is based on the "Core" (base) version of Windows 8. This suggests a common apps platform or at least one that is similar to that used by Windows 8, and further than Microsoft could open up this platform to enthusiast developers. (That last bit is supposition on my part.)
Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.
No entertainment box. Microsoft originally planned to offer both a “full” version of the next Xbox (with video game playing capabilities) and a lower-end entertainment-oriented version, codenamed “Yuma,” that did not provide video gaming capabilities. But plans for Yuma are on hold and no pure entertainment version of the next Xbox will appear in 2013 (or possibly ever).
Blu-ray. The next Xbox will include a Blu-ray optical drive.
Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.
Another Xbox 360. Microsoft will also deliver a third generation Xbox 360 console this year that will be significantly less expensive than the current models. The new 360 is codenamed “Stingray,” but it’s not clear if this device is required because the next Xbox isn’t backwards compatible, or because Microsoft simply wants a low-cost entertainment box alternative. (A third possibility, and to be clear these possible reasons are all speculative: The 360 simply has life left in it and with dwindling component prices in the 8 years since the original launch, the firm can still make money selling such a device.)

also the new head of Lionhead is the former director fo Cryptic studios meaning at least one their projects is an MMO. I'm guessing a Fable MMO and a more traditional new IP rpg.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 25, 2013, 11:29:54 PM
MS is probably better off this way. Get a good feel for the reaction before announcing a price. Get to focus all on software/launch lineup at E3.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 26, 2013, 01:55:18 AM
Nintendo did not do that with the Wii U.  The Wii U is a different name...as different as PS2,3 or 4 are.

The New Xbox is more of the idea stolen from Apple with the third and fourth generation iPads.  It appears Apple just wants to keep the name iPad without numbers, like most people think of an iphone as just an iphone...but the number is kinda there to help know your specs. 

I am actually OK with Microsoft dropping the 360 name, and not adding a new number.  Just calling it an Xbox  Marketing will be easier and pretty cool.  But I am sure collectors and such will hate dealing with the names being similar.  First generation and third generation. 
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 26, 2013, 07:58:40 AM
I think just calling it the new Xbox will end up working for Microsoft. One of the big problems with the Name Wii was that Nintendo had a ton of  peripheral's that had Wii following the title. The name Wii U plus the marketing being solely on the controller meant people thought it was another add-o with the Wii U.
 
Microsoft doesn't have that problem and even in the Marketing of the 360 at various events they just call the 360 "xbox" and talk about it from a platform level. Rebranding their music and movie services as well as expanding the xbox brand really helped in that.
 
I hope on the 21st they redesign that god awful website.
And the release timing is a really good one starting the 21st and following the Hype to E3 and than going to build 2013.
 
 
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 26, 2013, 10:36:27 AM
Some info from Paul Thurrot who is a pretty reliable Microsoft Journalist.
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Here’s what I know about the next Xbox (along with some clearly-identified conjecture).
Early announce. The initial reveal date was pushed back from April 24 to May 21 so that Microsoft could better position the device against the PlayStation 4, which Sony announced in late February.
Full (end user) announce. Microsoft will fully reveal details about the next Xbox, including the launch lineup of games, on the eve of the E3 tradeshow in early June 2013.
Developer announce? It appears that Microsoft will discuss the next Xbox developer platform at the Build conference in San Francisco in late June, based on clues on the Build web site.
Launch. The next Xbox will launch in early November 2013.
Windows 8 Core. The next Xbox is based on the "Core" (base) version of Windows 8. This suggests a common apps platform or at least one that is similar to that used by Windows 8, and further than Microsoft could open up this platform to enthusiast developers. (That last bit is supposition on my part.)
Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.
No entertainment box. Microsoft originally planned to offer both a “full” version of the next Xbox (with video game playing capabilities) and a lower-end entertainment-oriented version, codenamed “Yuma,” that did not provide video gaming capabilities. But plans for Yuma are on hold and no pure entertainment version of the next Xbox will appear in 2013 (or possibly ever).
Blu-ray. The next Xbox will include a Blu-ray optical drive.
Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.
Another Xbox 360. Microsoft will also deliver a third generation Xbox 360 console this year that will be significantly less expensive than the current models. The new 360 is codenamed “Stingray,” but it’s not clear if this device is required because the next Xbox isn’t backwards compatible, or because Microsoft simply wants a low-cost entertainment box alternative. (A third possibility, and to be clear these possible reasons are all speculative: The 360 simply has life left in it and with dwindling component prices in the 8 years since the original launch, the firm can still make money selling such a device.)

also the new head of Lionhead is the former director fo Cryptic studios meaning at least one their projects is an MMO. I'm guessing a Fable MMO and a more traditional new IP rpg.

Microsoft was going to make an Xbox that didn't play videogames? So those rumors about an "Xbox TV" set top box were true. But why call it an Xbox if it doesn't play games?
 
And having 2 SKUs that are $200 apart makes no sense, unless the more expensive one has more features like the Wii U Deluxe bundle.
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Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2013, 12:07:36 PM
...
But why call it an Xbox if it doesn't play games?
...
Because the Zune Brand did not take off like Microsoft wanted to and they are rebranding all their entertainment efforts under the XBox brand.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 26, 2013, 01:16:06 PM
Some info from Paul Thurrot who is a pretty reliable Microsoft Journalist.
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Here’s what I know about the next Xbox (along with some clearly-identified conjecture).
Early announce. The initial reveal date was pushed back from April 24 to May 21 so that Microsoft could better position the device against the PlayStation 4, which Sony announced in late February.
Full (end user) announce. Microsoft will fully reveal details about the next Xbox, including the launch lineup of games, on the eve of the E3 tradeshow in early June 2013.
Developer announce? It appears that Microsoft will discuss the next Xbox developer platform at the Build conference in San Francisco in late June, based on clues on the Build web site.
Launch. The next Xbox will launch in early November 2013.
Windows 8 Core. The next Xbox is based on the "Core" (base) version of Windows 8. This suggests a common apps platform or at least one that is similar to that used by Windows 8, and further than Microsoft could open up this platform to enthusiast developers. (That last bit is supposition on my part.)
Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.
No entertainment box. Microsoft originally planned to offer both a “full” version of the next Xbox (with video game playing capabilities) and a lower-end entertainment-oriented version, codenamed “Yuma,” that did not provide video gaming capabilities. But plans for Yuma are on hold and no pure entertainment version of the next Xbox will appear in 2013 (or possibly ever).
Blu-ray. The next Xbox will include a Blu-ray optical drive.
Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.
Another Xbox 360. Microsoft will also deliver a third generation Xbox 360 console this year that will be significantly less expensive than the current models. The new 360 is codenamed “Stingray,” but it’s not clear if this device is required because the next Xbox isn’t backwards compatible, or because Microsoft simply wants a low-cost entertainment box alternative. (A third possibility, and to be clear these possible reasons are all speculative: The 360 simply has life left in it and with dwindling component prices in the 8 years since the original launch, the firm can still make money selling such a device.)

also the new head of Lionhead is the former director fo Cryptic studios meaning at least one their projects is an MMO. I'm guessing a Fable MMO and a more traditional new IP rpg.

Microsoft was going to make an Xbox that didn't play videogames? So those rumors about an "Xbox TV" set top box were true. But why call it an Xbox if it doesn't play games?
 
And having 2 SKUs that are $200 apart makes no sense, unless the more expensive one has more features like the Wii U Deluxe bundle.

Strategic rebranding of all their services under a popular brand name instead of the Zune name that doesn't have any weight around it.
(http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Xbox-Music-Rolls-Out-Today-October-15-on-Xbox-360-2.jpg)
 
It also allows for Xbox music and Video to be eventually integrated into the next generation version of live. Its similar to the android market and services being rebranded as Google Play.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 26, 2013, 01:39:40 PM
The Xbox 3 is already set to be DOA, do bing stupid and just calling it "Xbox" wouldn't surprise me the least since it seems Microsoft is trying its best to make sure the system fails.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 26, 2013, 03:15:31 PM
I am actually OK with Microsoft dropping the 360 name, and not adding a new number.  Just calling it an Xbox  Marketing will be easier and pretty cool.  But I am sure collectors and such will hate dealing with the names being similar.  First generation and third generation. 

As someone with a keen interest in videogame history calling this new system just "Xbox" will drive me nuts.  Forever we will have to specify if one means the original Xbox or the later one.  Though with the always-online nonsense there won't be a used "Xbox" scene anyway so the only games that retro gamers will even have access to will be those of the original Xbox.  "Hey, this store has used Xbox games" would automatically mean the one with Halo 2 and Panzer Dragoon Orta.
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Post by: pokepal148 on April 26, 2013, 04:37:40 PM
You know I really like that one game on the Xbox :D :D :D
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Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
You know I really like that one game on the Xbox :D :D :D
That one game being Kinect Star Wars.
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Post by: pokepal148 on April 26, 2013, 05:50:49 PM
You know I really like that one game on the Xbox :D :D :D
That one game being Kinect Star Wars.
All i know is that it was on a system called the 'Xbox'.
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Post by: Stogi on April 27, 2013, 01:08:06 AM
You guys make fun of this but weren't we pitching the same thing with Nintendo?
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Post by: azeke on April 27, 2013, 03:09:35 AM
I wanted Wii motion plus lightsaber action adevnture not Just Dance with stoormtroopers and slave Leia.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 27, 2013, 11:14:01 AM
Polygon posted some stuff that sounds like marketers wet dream for achievement
http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/26/4268782/next-xbox-drm-achievements-live (http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/26/4268782/next-xbox-drm-achievements-live)
 
Quote

Another thing developers and publishers will have more control over with next-gen Xbox games is the way achievements are used and updated.
With the next Xbox, developers and publishers will be able to add more achievements to a game after launch, without the need to add DLC. This is designed specifically to allow developers to tweak player behavior, perhaps urging players to check out specific areas of a game or get past a difficult spot. Next-gen achievements can also be tied to broader events, like a weekend challenge or a communal goal, like contributing a set number of kills to the bigger goal of 10,000 kills over one weekend. Companies can also create cross-title achievements, like awarding points for finishing the first chapter in two different and unrelated games published by the same company. Some of these bigger, cross-title, communal achievements will be a requirement for all titles.
Microsoft is playing around with cross-platform achievements as well. Ideally, these achievements could be earned by playing a game on the next-gen system and then using a companion app, a website or maybe even by playing a specific game, like a prequel to a next-gen title, on the Xbox 360.[/qupte]
 
On Video sharing
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Like the recently announced PlayStation 4, the still-unnamed next Xbox will include the ability to capture video highlights of gameplay and then share them through networks like Facebook and Ustream.
In February,  during the official PlayStation 4 unveiling (http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/20/4008722/ps4-reveal-details), Sony officials detailed the heightened importance of sharing game experiences. The ability to share a snapshot from a game or show off a gameplay video is so important that a "share" button is incorporated into that upcoming console's new controller.
Pressing the PS4's share button (http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/20/4006146/playstation-4-streaming-ps3-games-playstation-cloud-gaikai) allows players to begin capturing their own gameplay in real time and then broadcast it to their friends using social networks.
Microsoft is also trying to come up with a system for video sharing though all of the details are still being locked down. According to our sources, currently the next Xbox will capture your gameplay as if it were a DVR, allowing you to go back and select highlights. That function can be turned on or off, or a player can set up the console to automatically capture a recording when certain in-game events occur, like a headshot or collecting a specific achievement. Auto capturing those "magic moments" will be a feature only available on next-gen games.
Those videos can then be uploaded directly from the console to social sites, like YouTube, for sharing.

On Always on
Quote
Sources tell Polygon that the next Xbox will indeed have some form of an always-on requirement (http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/5/4186676/always-on-consoles-unease-xbox-adam-orth-microsoft). That will be both to support the suite of non-gaming entertainment applications that will be launched alongside the console, like streaming video services, but also as a possible anti-piracy tool. Currently, the console will support digital rights management and anti-piracy checks using an internet connection. Under Microsoft's current guidelines, which may still be changed, the decision of whether a game will require an internet connection to work and if that is a one-time authentication or a constant connection, will be left up to individual publishers.
The next Xbox will allow publishers to decide if their games should require an internet connection to be played.
The fact that offline gameplay, always online and one-time checks are supported, means that in the future, publishers will have much greater control over copyright protection for their games.
Another thing developers and publishers will have more control over with next-gen Xbox games is the way achievements are used and updated.
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Post by: azeke on April 27, 2013, 11:25:45 AM
You lost me after Polygon

"Sponsored by Internet Explorer 9" (c)
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 27, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
You lost me after Polygon

"Sponsored by Internet Explorer 9" (c)
How so?
Despite the whole IE deal and Gies being a dick Polygon writes some pretty good features and I would put stock in most of their feature and news reporting just based on the reputations of their sister sites Vegre and SBnation.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 27, 2013, 03:08:51 PM
The ideas are pretty bad. It continues the gross perversion of what games are about. It getting less and less about simple escapism and having some fun and more about how to trap players into hamster wheels.

If a game is that good in the first place, you wouldn't need all these tricks to keep them playing.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 27, 2013, 03:28:57 PM
The ideas are pretty bad. It continues the gross perversion of what games are about. It getting less and less about simple escapism and having some fun and more about how to trap players into hamster wheels.

If a game is that good in the first place, you wouldn't need all these tricks to keep them playing.

Agreed. Gaming used to be about having fun and escaping from reality, but now it's become a sea of microtransactions, DLC, online connectivity for EVERYTHING, social networking, blah blah blah.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 27, 2013, 03:34:46 PM
I never understand when people whine about Achievements. You do realize they are OPTIONAL? They don't impact the game itself, so ignore them if you don't like them. Most people do like them, they make the game more fun and encourage people to try stuff they might not have (for example, it's encouraged me to try different modes I normally would have ignored).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 27, 2013, 03:40:51 PM
I never understand when people whine about Achievements. You do realize they are OPTIONAL? They don't impact the game itself, so ignore them if you don't like them. Most people do like them, they make the game more fun and encourage people to try stuff they might not have (for example, it's encouraged me to try different modes I normally would have ignored).

I just hate the achievements that show you how far you've progressed in a game. They're pointless. Story progression is the main point of a game, I don't need a notification for that.
 
"Achievement Unlocked: You beat the first boss!"
 
"Achievement Unlocked: You reached the third level"

"Achievement Unlocked: You cast your first spell!"

Achievements should be earned for hidden goals or secrets discovered, not basic story progression or require tasks.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 27, 2013, 03:44:57 PM
I don't mind those Achievements, and they have become less common over time. There are pages devoted to stupid achievements (like ones that require you to reach the #1 spot on the global leaderboard, or basically any online-only achievement).
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Post by: MagicCow64 on April 28, 2013, 01:59:30 AM
I don't mind those Achievements, and they have become less common over time. There are pages devoted to stupid achievements (like ones that require you to reach the #1 spot on the global leaderboard, or basically any online-only achievement).

I don't get what achievements are supposed to mean. Does anyone actually give a **** about gamerscores? Used to be that games rewarded you for doing secret stuff/beating benchmarks by unlocking extra content. The achievements for the most part feel like crude dopamine activators designed to entangle those with completion syndrome (speaking as a recoverer).

I get that they can get you to play a game differently or check out modes you wouldn't, but I feel like these things should be their own reward without being propped up by achievements. To me the mindset behind achievements feels unsettlingly close to the mindset behind Zynga's operations.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 28, 2013, 11:03:03 AM
Achievements are more meaningful than something like a high score table.

There is just something more enticing about Achievements, gives more reason to try and do certain goals.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 28, 2013, 12:28:13 PM
Achievements are more meaningful than something like a high score table.

I don't know that I'd agree with this, as I think in some games beating a friend's high score feels like far more of an accomplishment. Achievements can be pretty great when they're done well, making you try new things you wouldn't have done before, with the example I always point to in that regard being Geometry Wars 2. Sure, it has a couple score-based ones, but also includes ones that include lasting a certain amount of time without firing a shot, or rubbing your ship against every inch of the border of the play field. These get you to play in completely different ways than you usually do, which I think should be the aim of achievements instead of "You beat this Dungeon" or "You used this weapon."
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Post by: nickmitch on April 28, 2013, 06:57:53 PM
I agree with Insano. Any achievement that makes you enjoy the game in a different way, is a good one. Further, anything that rewards a difficult feat, like beating certain levels without taking damage or reaching hidden areas in a level, are also good ones. Those may not be as good as secret power-ups or anything, but they're less disappointing that a 3up Moon. That acknowledgement of having done something difficult it what makes them feel rewarding.

They can backfire though. You might hit a bonus stage and get the "didn't take a hit" achievement when there weren't actual enemies. Or the aforementioned "beat level X" achievement, where beating the level should be its own reward.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 28, 2013, 08:29:22 PM
Regarding the harder difficulty, that is one I like. It has made me also play some games on a harder mode than normal (for example, normally I would never try to play something like Call of Duty on the hardest difficulty).
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 28, 2013, 10:38:12 PM
I just had a brilliant idea. Microsoft should do always online DRM, but allow you to play offline for an additional $10 purchase.

Forget on-disc DLC and season passes, THIS IS THE FUTURE OF CUSTOMER EXPLOITATION
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Post by: azeke on April 28, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
Microsoft should do always online DRM, but allow you to play offline for an additional $10 purchase
... per each gaming session.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 29, 2013, 11:40:36 AM
I just had a brilliant idea. Microsoft should do always online DRM, but allow you to play offline for an additional $10 purchase.

Forget on-disc DLC and season passes, THIS IS THE FUTURE OF CUSTOMER EXPLOITATION

I wish I could say that would not do anything, but it probably would convince some people to buy the new Xbox if they made that concession.
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 29, 2013, 11:57:59 AM
At this point I don't care about always online because even if the system its self isn't always online Microsoft like Sony will allow the publishers to choose to be always online if they want.


Despite all of the microsoft bitching I've seen no one bring up the point that Destiny which will also be on PS4 as well as the current gen systems can't be played without an internet connection. Rumors are bringing up Ubisoft doing it for Watchdogs and AC4.  If all of these are successful than expect more and more companies to do this despite us not really wanting it.


Though I find it intresting that Ascend News Gods as well as Happy Wars are both Online only from microsoft.
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Post by: Soren on April 29, 2013, 05:48:24 PM
Buried in an interesting story about Respawn's rumored Xbox exclusive game is this paragraph about a possible software drought for Durango, not unlike the one Nintendo has right now.

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A reliable source—one who was not part of our reporting about the Respawn game—tells us that Microsoft is as much as six months behind in producing content for the new console, despite an expected late-2013 launch. Another tells us that Microsoft recently cancelled several internal next-gen projects because they were not coming together as hoped. These sources have told us that, comparatively, Sony is in better shape and further along with hardware and software development for PlayStation 4.

With a drought like that, Microsoft might be taking a very aggressive approach to sign games exclusive to Durango (or as timed exclusives).

http://kotaku.com/the-next-gen-xbox-is-getting-a-hell-of-an-exclusive-so-484785241 (http://kotaku.com/the-next-gen-xbox-is-getting-a-hell-of-an-exclusive-so-484785241)
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 29, 2013, 06:32:01 PM
Well no **** Kotaku. You expect all of these studios that have been brought up in the past two years some even as late as this year to have content ready for the console.

I'm expecting Microsoft to pull a Nintendo with few launch games ready. Only difference is there going to show software for next year and pay for a crap ton of exclusives so they won't be like LOL Nintendo has no game.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 29, 2013, 08:06:08 PM
Kotaku is the worst.
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Post by: Ceric on April 30, 2013, 09:26:23 AM
I have a distinct feeling that Sony has been planning for this next gen longer then both Nintendo and Microsoft.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 30, 2013, 02:44:16 PM
I have a distinct feeling that Sony has been planning for this next gen longer then both Nintendo and Microsoft.
It's felt that way.  They announced at seemingly the right time (Nintendo announced over a year before the system released and MS has been said to be scrambling to put together a presentation, even delaying it a month from the original date they were going to use).  They seem to have software ready for it and they are not requiring an always-on internet connection for it to work.  I think MS wishes they could wait until 2014 to release their system, but feel it'll be too late.  Nintendo launched possibly too early but since the system is less powerful than the other two, they had to do it.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 06, 2013, 02:34:53 PM
Been on a semi blackout plus a bit tied of all the rumors and such. But Two weeks with Google i/o next week to distract me.


Ars Technia is reporting that the system can be used online and the online only came from Dev kits having that feature to keep track of them.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/ (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/)


Lucid Games the racing studio made of former Bizzare guys and wh is rumored to be working on a PGR5 with Rare is showing their project mid may which falls with the xbox event.



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Post by: pokepal148 on May 06, 2013, 04:34:08 PM
Been on a semi blackout plus a bit tied of all the rumors and such. But Two weeks with Google i/o next week to distract me.


Ars Technia is reporting that the system can be used online and the online only came from Dev kits having that feature to keep track of them.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/ (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/)


Lucid Games the racing studio made of former Bizzare guys and wh is rumored to be working on a PGR5 with Rare is showing their project mid may which falls with the xbox event.




aww.... thats no fun....
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 06, 2013, 11:33:23 PM
Looks like next gen blinked on the always online thing. I suspect they wanted it, but the leaks and the backlash convinced them it was a bad move. I mean, why have always online dev kits unless you wanted that option?
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 06, 2013, 11:35:09 PM
MagicCow nails it.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 07, 2013, 12:23:24 AM
IGN reports that the new rumor is Microsoft will let developers choose to do always online if they want.
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Post by: Ceric on May 07, 2013, 09:19:16 AM
Honestly, unless the platform holder themselves bars the company from doing always online, their is nothing really stopping them from doing it right now.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 07, 2013, 09:55:17 AM
Looks like next gen blinked on the always online thing. I suspect they wanted it, but the leaks and the backlash convinced them it was a bad move. I mean, why have always online dev kits unless you wanted that option?


Probably too try and keep leaks to a minimum for some weird reason. Won't really matter if Individual games like Destiny will be online only anyway.


Its funny how even though this news comes from a very relabile source with Tom Warren and Paul Thurrot backing it up Gaf is still shitting the hypothetical while saying there  is't an sort of Sony bias.


I mean I see mods always stopping trolls in Sony threads but for whatever reason let this stuff happen in Nintendo and Microsoft threads.


For that reason alone i'm kind of hoping that the PlayStation 4 crashes and burns in comparison to the Wii U/Durango (or at least a slow start) and perpetuates the what Gaf usually wants to win loses.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 07, 2013, 11:25:16 AM
I just hope Microsoft doesn't make their next controller look as ugly as the PS4 one.

Also, what do you guys think of the new IllumiRoom concept that Microsoft is developing? I saw a concept video on YouTube, and it looks incredibly innovative.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 08, 2013, 01:44:27 PM
I just hope Microsoft doesn't make their next controller look as ugly as the PS4 one.

Also, what do you guys think of the new IllumiRoom concept that Microsoft is developing? I saw a concept video on YouTube, and it looks incredibly innovative.


Its just a concept at this point and by the Microsoft Research team not the Xbox or Kinect teams. STill its probably five years out on a consumer scale.


Crash Course 2 came out today and its F2P with qhat looks like at first glance alot of nasty looking micro tranactions.


Just twelve days to the #XboxReveal.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 08, 2013, 06:47:27 PM
So it looks like the PS4 and NextBox will be pretty evenly matched. And Sony seems to have learned from the PS3's bottlenecks; the PS4's 8GB of DDR5 RAM is amazing.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 08, 2013, 06:59:12 PM
I hope the controllers are reverse compatible so I don't have to buy new fightsticks.  I'm about 4% worried about this.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 08, 2013, 09:02:06 PM
So it looks like the PS4 and NextBox will be pretty evenly matched. And Sony seems to have learned from the PS3's bottlenecks; the PS4's 8GB of DDR5 RAM is amazing.

Where did you get your information about Xbox 720 from?  We have no real specifics about if they are evenly matched.  The probably are...but we really don't have confirmation.  Personally, I really want to see the Xbox 360 controller.  I hate...HATE the PS3 controller and I like the Xbox 360 controller except the D pad sucks.  So I am hoping MS can improve on that. 
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 17, 2013, 08:50:10 AM
(http://[url=http://i1.minus.com/iTeg9XZnrYonk.png]http://i1.minus.com/iTeg9XZnrYonk.png[/url])
(http://[size=78%][url=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKdB0J_CIAELbfA.jpg:large]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKdB0J_CIAELbfA.jpg:large[/url][/size])


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKdB0J_CIAELbfA.jpg:large)






(http://i1.minus.com/iTeg9XZnrYonk.png)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 17, 2013, 11:25:27 PM
Unless they make Xbox Live free or get one hell of an amazing exclusive title I want, I don't really care about the next Xbox at all.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 18, 2013, 03:43:54 PM
So where are all the leaked pictures of the console and controller? PS4 was leaked constantly before it was officially revealed, but the next Xbox has been shrouded in secrecy.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 18, 2013, 03:48:30 PM
Sony's leaks were most likely largely intentional. Most tech leaks are that way now, to build buzz. It would seem Microsoft isn't using that strategy.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 20, 2013, 11:05:53 AM
Huh so Gametrailers is doing a pre-show and an After shw with Don Mattrick.


http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/51858/revel-in-xbox-content-before-during-and-after-microsofts-next-xbox-reveal (http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/51858/revel-in-xbox-content-before-during-and-after-microsofts-next-xbox-reveal)


Also is it because Microsoft is an american company or liked more by non hardcore gamers than sony but I see alot of guys doing live shows for this reveal. The only guys who did something for the PS4 event was IGN and this time around Gametrailers, IGN, Theverge/Polygon, and engadget are planning stuff for before and after the Microsoft event.
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Post by: ymeegod on May 20, 2013, 12:00:13 PM
Sounds like MS is saving most of it's "game" lineup announcements for E3 so tomorrow it's most likely just going be the hardware reveal and the "known" games coming like the next Halo, Forza, ect.

Don't expect to see to much surprises for software until e3.

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Post by: shingi_70 on May 20, 2013, 01:28:52 PM
Makes sense. I'm guessing COD: Ghosts, Alan Wake 2, and maybe a few things.


Next Gen Fifa will be there.
(http://[size=78%][url=https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970397_10151620246564288_113461301_n.jpg]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970397_10151620246564288_113461301_n.jpg[/url][/size])


LOL EA
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 20, 2013, 06:36:02 PM

So xbox reveal tomorrow which is a good thing for gaming. Decided to make a thread where we can talk about it.


[strong]The Live streams[/strong]
Gametrailers (http://www.gametrailers.com/live)
IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/08/watch-the-xbox-reveal-event-live-on-ign)
Twitch (http://www.twitch.tv/angrycentaur)
Nintendolife's sister site Purexbox] (http://www.purexbox.com/news/2013/05/live_the_next_generation_of_xbox_revealed)
Verge + Polygon (http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/20/4349132/watch-the-xbox-reveal-verge-polygon-live-stream-may-21)


A few of the sites are also hosting pre and post shows.


IGN- Pre show featuring Ryan McCaffrey and Daemon Hatfield and Molyneux. starts at 9am pacific/12pm eastern
The verge- The verge's Joshua Topolsky and Polygon's Justin McElroy starts 12:30PM ET / 9:30AM PT
gametrailers- Dorrito pope and aftwerward Don Mattrick joins him. 9am PST/12 EST


stuff epected to be their


Call of Duty Ghosts
Fifa 14
EA UFC
Forza Vista or PGR five
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Post by: SonofMrPeanut on May 21, 2013, 12:25:58 PM
So here we are, very close to the facts.  Last chance to get predictions in, people.  Go nuts!
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 12:29:23 PM
The next xbox is actually Hal 2000 and Skynet put together.


Let's do this
(http://[size=78%][url=https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HHfOJwn1cWQ/UZuYvD9XMsI/AAAAAAAABnk/6vyM0YMMCw0/w788-h591-no/IMG_20130521_115422.jpg]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HHfOJwn1cWQ/UZuYvD9XMsI/AAAAAAAABnk/6vyM0YMMCw0/w788-h591-no/IMG_20130521_115422.jpg[/url][/size])
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2013, 01:06:50 PM
So far we have a Roku.


edit: that looks like a DVR.


controller looks very similar to the 360 controller. Any hidden features?


how many minutes until a game is mentioned? 12 minutes in. kinda.


I remember playing with voice control on OS/2 Warp 4 in 1996.


Skype...


I can finally watch ESPN in my living room! FINALLY


Imagine what you could do with the Superbowl? I'm guessing lots of advertising.


So many games...  ;)


Okay usb 3.0 and 500gb hd is nice. although USB 3.0 isn't super useful yet.


was that a game 22 minutes in? maybe.


Wii Fit eat your heart out.


feedback in the triggers? okay, maybe it would be cool.


game recording like PS4. Game kinda spotted 26 minutes in! Soon we will have a full reveal of a game. maybe.


her comes the unprecedented partnership.


REAL game announcements only 29 minutes in! 12 month window, so some will miss launch.


Ignite? what happened to EVERYTHANG FROSTBITE DURPY DUR

I wish I cared about sports games

great football cutscene.



Real games!


So much for that, back to new media


The dogs were the best part of the presentation.
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Post by: SonofMrPeanut on May 21, 2013, 01:07:45 PM
Xbox 1 confirmed as name.
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 01:59:19 PM
Let the raging begin? Bold by me.

Quote
There’s one feature of Xbox One from which we can infer quite a few conclusions: You can install any game from the disc to the console’s hard drive, and then play that game whenever you like without having to put the disc in. Wired asked Microsoft if installation would be mandatory. “On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play,” the company responded in an emailed statement. Sounds mandatory to us.
What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner.
Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc.
But what if a second person simply wanted to put the disc in and play the game without installing – and without paying extra? In other words, what happens to our traditional concept of a “used game”? This is a question for which Microsoft did not yet have an answer, and is surely something that game buyers (as well as renters and lenders) will want to know.
And what of the persistent rumors that Xbox One games will be “always online” – that is, that single-player games would require a constant online connection to function? As it turns out, those rumors were not unfounded, but the reality is not so draconian. Xbox One will give game developers the ability to create games that use Microsoft’s Azure cloud computing service, which means that they might be able to offload certain computing tasks to the cloud rather than process them on the Xbox One hardware itself. This would necessitate the game requiring a connection.
Are developers forced to create games that have these online features, and are thus not playable offline? They are not, Xbox exec Whitten said to Wired — but “I hope they do.” So the always-online future may come in incremental steps.
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/
Maybe sorta anti-used games? Passing the "always online" buck to developers.

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Post by: azeke on May 21, 2013, 02:05:08 PM
This presentation was amazing.

I haven't laughed this hard in weeks.

PS4 presentation just made me go eh at most reveals, what little reveals Xbox presentation had just made me laugh.

EA is showing their sports games engine. No gameplay footage.
Quantum Break game. No gameplay footage.
You know something is wrong if the most exciting and honest game reveal in entire presentation is Call of Duty. Activision (Activision!) was the only good part of this conference.

No details on Xbox Live, no clarification on always online thing.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 21, 2013, 02:10:07 PM
I thought the tv features and use of Kinect was really cool. But I wonder in practice will it be that good?

The graphics are better I assume from what they tell me. But just like with the Ps4 reveal I don't see a major leap, as a matter of fact in my eyes the graphics have taken the smallest leap ever. Deep Down is not a thing yet. Still at the same time I fully expect some game to pull a Gears of War on us eventually and I expect the Wii U to get close to that.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 21, 2013, 02:15:34 PM
"Xbox One" is almost but not quite as stupid of a name as "Wii U", kind of like how "Xbox 360" was almost but not quite as stupid of a name as "Wii".  The more things change, the more they stay the same, eh?

Better than just calling it "Xbox" but this is still going to cause a lot of confusion between the Xbox One and the regular Xbox.  And this sure is a total switch from the Xbox 360 using a bigger number to not look inferior in comparison to the Playstation 3.  So now I guess it does not matter that Xbox One is a lower number than Playstation 4?

Sounds like locking out used games is in, so I will never ever buy this thing even if Nintendo went third party and became an Xbox One exclusive developer.  You had to know that Microsoft's refusal to deny the rumour was a confirmation.  If someone accuses you of something that is clearly negative, you would only refuse to comment if you were guilty or a huge moron.  Otherwise you would just say "No, I did not kill those people!  That's ridiculous!"  There is nothing to gain by being coy or obtuse if the honest response will close the topic immediately.
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Post by: azeke on May 21, 2013, 02:16:32 PM
I thought the tv features and use of Kinect was really cool.
I am actually pretty excited on Kinect 2.0! Just reduce the lag and ship good games (or even "experiences" such as Double Fine's Happy Action Theater) and i'm there!

E3 should (and probably will) deliver more on games, because i feel zero attraction from what i've seen from both Sony/MS so far.

Sports and tv stuff -- i won't hate on it, i will just ignore it, not only because for me as not american this completely alien, but also because i'm sure these services will only work in US (and probably will be behind paywall to boot).
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2013, 02:17:32 PM
That was worse than Sony's press conference by far. I guess we will see what both do at E3.

Microsoft is envisioning this taking over the living room, but I smell flop.

The problem with all this media stuff is most of it is already available elsewhere.
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Post by: SonofMrPeanut on May 21, 2013, 02:29:58 PM
Definitely not crazy about the reinstallation fee or lack of backwards compatibility.  Also, I couldn't believe they were actually hyping up splitscreen!  They already have Smartglass for a second screen, why is this supposed to be exciting?
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 02:30:16 PM
-Xbox One not backward compatible (Wii U the only one of the big 3).

-SE says Thief reboot coming to XBOX1.

-Steven Spielberg making a Halo tv series on Xbox1.
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Post by: azeke on May 21, 2013, 02:35:06 PM
So with Xbox monetizing on used games (they're not blocking it, but they include "online pass" like fee to activate already used disc), i think PS4 will have a similar system.

I think this is the real and main reason why EA ditched Wii U.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2013, 02:37:07 PM
The big Halo announcement is a TV show? Good heavens...
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
So whats the reaction of the various nerds around the internet? I'm at work so viewing is limited.
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 03:03:38 PM
So whats the reaction of the various nerds around the internet? I'm at work so viewing is limited.

Gaf is down.

The 3 most read articles on Kotaku right now: 1)The article revealing Xbox1 blocks used games may not be always online, 2) a summary of what was announced, 3)the Xbox not being backwards compatible.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 03:09:18 PM
The big Halo announcement is a TV show? Good heavens...


You do realize the announcement was made in conjunction with Microsoft Studios LA ran by Nacy Tlman and is similar too Netflix's internal studios.


Still people keep saying this was worst than the PS4 but how so?




It sucks about the used game thing but its a good thing as used games are bad for the industry as a whole. Though this by proxy unfortunately kills rental market. (does that even still exist?)


Kind of hope this system when the next generation just to see gamers want to kill themselves.


Also i'm guessing Sony plans to do something similar with their system
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Post by: ymeegod on May 21, 2013, 03:09:48 PM
Not buying ONE--get it :0.

Requires Internet to verify installs, fees on installing game more than one (means no sharing games without paying fee).  Can't rent games.  MS is the odd one out since Sony confirmed that their ps4 games don't have used-DRM. 

Not much was talked about in terms of power other than it matched 8GB of ram as PS4 but they didn't state it was using DDR5 which would led one to think it's using DDR3.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Overall, my money is still going to Sony's PS4 next generation.  Sony's stock rose today so it looks like others see it too--the PS4 will win because MS got to greedy.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 21, 2013, 03:20:41 PM
I am not impressed by anything it is offering and will not buy One.
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 03:21:29 PM
It sucks about the used game thing but its a good thing as used games are bad for the industry as a whole.

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc169/george041950/Facepalms/TommyLeeJonesImpliedFacepalm.png)
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2013, 03:21:55 PM
I thought the 500gb HD was cool until it was mentioned you have to install all games. That could fill up fast.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2013, 03:22:39 PM
I am not impressed by anything it is offering and will not buy One.

I may look at it next time I shopping for a DVR. OH SNAP!
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Post by: Phil on May 21, 2013, 03:23:03 PM
Hey guys, do you like racers, shooters, and sports games? Well, you probably already own a 360, but take a look at the Xbox One! Innovation at its finest!
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2013, 03:24:07 PM

Still people keep saying this was worst than the PS4 but how so?


I'm not a big Sony fan, but the PS4 announcement had better tech, better games, and better people talking about the system.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 21, 2013, 03:27:01 PM
This "second install" fee is pretty baffling. Like, if this was just a wrist slap charge, $5-$10, tons of people would just go in on a game and pass it around, paying a deeply discounted price. So I'm guessing the fee will NOT be trivial. That, and how much will games cost in the first place?
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 03:45:40 PM

Still people keep saying this was worst than the PS4 but how so?


I'm not a big Sony fan, but the PS4 announcement had better tech, better games, and better people talking about the system.


WHy would say they had better tech when microsoft went prety i depth about the tech behind the system and is current doing a hardare roundtable.


http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-architecture-panel-liveblog/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-architecture-panel-liveblog/)


Sony showed preety much the same thing trailers for sequels to stuff. (Knack and Killzone were awesome)
Eh Cerny was the only real compelling speaker from SOny. Other than him you got I want to **** a car guy, 9/11 superhero dude, and please be excited sqaure. But Sony did had Ono which is like having 10 people.




Still i'm not sure what people were expecting. They were up front about this being a hardware/feature reveal and the games were going to be at E3.


Also why do people seem to igore the fact that gamers aren't the only market and in the long run were a pretty small one.




Still e3 is the place to make your decisions on.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2013, 03:48:23 PM
By the way, Dual OS seems like a bad idea. Maybe it will work well, but I guess we will find out.
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Post by: ymeegod on May 21, 2013, 03:50:05 PM
"This "second install" fee is pretty baffling. Like, if this was just a wrist slap charge, $5-$10, tons of people would just go in on a game and pass it around, paying a deeply discounted price. So I'm guessing the fee will NOT be trivial. That, and how much will games cost in the first place? "

Hense why MS requires an internet connection--it's going check and mostly likely ban consoles that have the same games installed on them.  If you sell your game you'll going have to remove it from the HDD otherwise risk being banned when the other gamer activates it at the same time you do.
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Post by: azeke on May 21, 2013, 03:50:15 PM
Also why do people seem to igore the fact that gamers aren't the only market and in the long run were a pretty small one.
Hmmmm... Now where did i hear this argument before?..

The tables has turned.
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Post by: ejamer on May 21, 2013, 04:00:23 PM
Still interested to see pricing models for XBox One and PS4. Any bets on XBox One going via a subscription/monthly payment plan instead of a straight sale? Will that information be out at E3, or will they (probably) save the new for closer to release to help stave off sticker shock?

I don't own a 360 so am probably not the target market, but have to say this presentation really turned me off from ever owning an XBox One. Reactivation fees for disc-based games, no backwards compatibility, always online being pushed (although not required), more focus on services than games, XBox Live fees likely to increase...  The only good news seemed to be that gamer scores would carry over, but (again) I'm not a 360 owner so that doesn't help me much.

Nope, this isn't what I want from a gaming console and isn't the direction I want to support for the industry.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 04:05:05 PM
"This "second install" fee is pretty baffling. Like, if this was just a wrist slap charge, $5-$10, tons of people would just go in on a game and pass it around, paying a deeply discounted price. So I'm guessing the fee will NOT be trivial. That, and how much will games cost in the first place? "

Hense why MS requires an internet connection--it's going check and mostly likely ban consoles that have the same games installed on them.  If you sell your game you'll going have to remove it from the HDD otherwise risk being banned when the other gamer activates it at the same time you do.


actually its been confrimed it doesn't require online. I guess the disc is stamped with DRM after you first put it in. bleh




Also why do people seem to igore the fact that gamers aren't the only market and in the long run were a pretty small one.
Hmmmm... Now where did i hear this argument before?..

The tables has turned.


Huh?



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Post by: ShyGuy on May 21, 2013, 04:10:05 PM
I wonder how long until people hack the OS to remove the DRM registry key.
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Post by: ymeegod on May 21, 2013, 04:19:18 PM
No  shingi_70, Xbox One requires internet, it doesn't have to be on 100%.  Kinda like Steam, you can install the game then play in offline mode. 

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Post by: noname2200 on May 21, 2013, 04:26:12 PM

 MS is the odd one out since Sony confirmed that their ps4 games don't have used-DRM. 

I thought they were much more evasive on that point, something along the lines of "well, the developer doesn't have to implement DRM" or some such.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 21, 2013, 04:32:11 PM
Things that I have learned from the Xbox One reveal:
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 04:33:19 PM
No  shingi_70, Xbox One requires internet, it doesn't have to be on 100%.  Kinda like Steam, you can install the game then play in offline mode.


Isn't that if your only buying games online?


http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-installs-friend-list/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-installs-friend-list/)


Quote
The Xbox One's 50GB Blu-ray discs will automatically rip to your 500GB harddrive, Microsoft tells us, and it looks like you won't have to wait 'til they're done to get going. That's according to the Xbox One landing page on Xbox.com, spotted by our friends at Joystiq, which says, "With Xbox One, you can start playing immediately as games install. And updates install seamlessly in the background, so your games and entertainment won't be interrupted."


I thought always online meant the system wouldn't be able to turn on if online?
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 04:37:48 PM
Things that I have learned from the Xbox One reveal:
  • The name "Wii U" is not the dumbest name for a video game console.
  • When EA claims to have an unprecedented partnership with you it might be a sign that they will double cross you in the future.
  • Most consumers will think that "Xbox One" refers to the original Xbox system.
  • Nintendo Land was a better presentation that motion captured dogs ( and that is saying a whole lot).
  • Sales will be slower due to DRM.
  • It makes me more confident for Nintendo and the Wii's future.
  • Microsoft will probably go bankrupt.


-Actually one can be used in marketing as if refers to one box for everything. Both crappy names but one is far less marketable.
-EA only double crossed nintendo because they were butt hurt for Origin.
-Isn't it hard to compare a dev focused video to late confetti
-Sadly if anything the Mass Market has shown they don't care about anti consumer progress
-Ironically the One will probably have more third party support.
-You can't be serious?


Still looking forward to all three consoles.
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Post by: magicpixie on May 21, 2013, 04:44:11 PM
Ugh... The worst part about the conference was all the "WOOOOOOOO" going on for what seemed like the most mundane announcements.  It felt so forced.

Personally, the most exciting gaming news of that last few days came when I decided to order a racing wheel for all the games in my Steam account.  In my opinion, the MS and Sony reveals were fairly similar.  Both seemed more focused on the non-gaming aspects of the systems.  To me, where they truly diverged was where they each decided to place their focus when they actually spoke about the games.  Sony's biggest splash came when they demonstrated how much they were working to get indie devs on board.  MS seems to be doubling down on AAA games.  I don't think either is a winning strategy on their own.

That said, how many people are going to buy either console at launch?  Obviously, price will be a determining factor, but I bought my first 360 maybe 6 months after launch.  That's right, my first 360.  I'm on to my fourth 360 thanks to the infamous RROD.  Has anybody forgiven/forgotten the MS's past sins?  I won't be purchasing for at least a year to see if there are any design defects with the new consoles.  I'll probably cut Sony some slack, since I still have a functioning launch window PS3 with backward compatibility and all.

Also, for all the **** that Nintendo takes, Microsoft really picked a crappy name for their console.  Can we please stop letting the biggest tools in the company's marketing department name these things?
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Post by: noname2200 on May 21, 2013, 04:52:39 PM
Ugh... The worst part about the conference was all the "WOOOOOOOO" going on for what seemed like the most mundane announcements.  It felt so forced.


(http://i.imgur.com/DvilFfz.png)
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 04:57:33 PM
Ugh... The worst part about the conference was all the "WOOOOOOOO" going on for what seemed like the most mundane announcements.  It felt so forced.

Personally, the most exciting gaming news of that last few days came when I decided to order a racing wheel for all the games in my Steam account.  In my opinion, the MS and Sony reveals were fairly similar.  Both seemed more focused on the non-gaming aspects of the systems.  To me, where they truly diverged was where they each decided to place their focus when they actually spoke about the games.  Sony's biggest splash came when they demonstrated how much they were working to get indie devs on board.  MS seems to be doubling down on AAA games.  I don't think either is a winning strategy on their own.

That said, how many people are going to buy either console at launch?  Obviously, price will be a determining factor, but I bought my first 360 maybe 6 months after launch.  That's right, my first 360.  I'm on to my fourth 360 thanks to the infamous RROD.  Has anybody forgiven/forgotten the MS's past sins?  I won't be purchasing for at least a year to see if there are any design defects with the new consoles.  I'll probably cut Sony some slack, since I still have a functioning launch window PS3 with backward compatibility and all.

Also, for all the **** that Nintendo takes, Microsoft really picked a crappy name for their console.  Can we please stop letting the biggest tools in the company's marketing department name these things?


The whooing was from microsoft employees and felt so unprofessional. Honestly as cool as the moment was I dislike people whooed and got all up in arms about the Twilight princess reveal. Clapping is okay but anything seems lame.


Its odd the gamers seem to hate this press conference but i'm seeing a lot of positives coming from pure tech and mainstream media. Reading the comments on gaf (Uber negative) vs the comments from the verge (positive) is pretty interesting.




I would have went with Loop or Infinity with the name myself.
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Post by: ejamer on May 21, 2013, 05:24:20 PM
...
Its odd the gamers seem to hate this press conference but i'm seeing a lot of positives coming from pure tech and mainstream media. Reading the comments on gaf (Uber negative) vs the comments from the verge (positive) is pretty interesting.
...


Maybe it depends on what you want the console to be?  For straight gaming, some of the decisions (and focus of the show) really aren't that appealing -- but for an all-in-one living room tech solution it might seem more exciting?


I'm not really in the market for an integrated entertainment solution though.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 05:30:35 PM
...
Its odd the gamers seem to hate this press conference but i'm seeing a lot of positives coming from pure tech and mainstream media. Reading the comments on gaf (Uber negative) vs the comments from the verge (positive) is pretty interesting.
...


Maybe it depends on what you want the console to be?  For straight gaming, some of the decisions (and focus of the show) really aren't that appealing -- but for an all-in-one living room tech solution it might seem more exciting?


I'm not really in the market for an integrated entertainment solution though.


But there shouldn't be a console with only straight gaming these days.  Looks like a non removable 500GB hardrive that can be expanded with external HDDS.



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Post by: magicpixie on May 21, 2013, 06:57:48 PM
Ewww...

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109 (http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109)

Have to connect once in a 24 hour period to play single-player games...  I don't like that at all.  I'm not sure I'd ever be in that situation, but I just really don't like the sound of that.  As far as I know, Steam offline mode is indefinite.

There also seems to be some confusion regarding this used-game fee.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-is-not-always-online-but-seems-to-block-used-509077987

FTFA:
Quote
UPDATE: Microsoft says in an official Q&A: "We are designing Xbox One to enable customers to trade in and resell games. We’ll have more details to share later."

There was some stuff out there about different stories from an MS exec and MS support.  Seems like a bit of a clusterfark.
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 07:16:15 PM
No confusion, the fee is actually the full price of the game.

Quote
But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison said.

EDIT: And you thought Nintendo was once draconian? With this move, Microsoft now essentially controls the used game market on their console. So either they or the developers get to set the prices for used games people sell online.

Microsoft! It's the future of gaming!

EDIT #2: Sorry Pixie, I thought you were linking the same story I was. http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros-509140825
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 21, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
With the Wii, what really pissed me off is that Nintendo's casual focus felt like Nintendo saying to me "Thanks for the years of patronage.  Go **** yourself."  Looking at the PS4 and XB1 reveals, I feel like the entire industry is telling me that, Nintendo were just ahead of the curve.  The PS4 interests me the most entirely by coming across as less shitty but I'm not at all excited about it.  It seems that no one wants my business.

But the sad thing is that I don't think it matters.  I care about stuff like used games and being able to play single player games when your internet goes down or 10 years after the console is obsolete and having responsive controls.  They're not looking at someone like me.  They're looking at a crowd at least ten years younger than me who has grown up in a world of disposable entertainment and does not have the same values as me.  They're looking at middle aged casual gamers who are too ignorant of games to know that stuff like Kinect and the Wii Remote control like complete garbage.

I don't give away my personal privacy for free on Facebook.  I don't update my cellphone unless my old phone ceases to work.  I do not follow fads or trends.  I'm effectively marketing-proof and openly mock advertisements.  I have self-control and vote with my wallet.  I'm the WORST kind of customer - someone who wants a good product at a good price.  AAAHHHH!!  Last gen Nintendo showed that you can sell a lesser product if you target it at rubes with low standards.  Sony and MS were busy killing themselves last gen with big expensive blockbusters and I think they have both realized that they should target dumb marks instead with an inferior product that offers more restrictive consumer rights.

So while you might say "Locked used games?  The **** with this!", Microsoft does not care.  If you're savy enough to be turned off my that you are not the type of customer they want.  They want a sucker and they're hoping that the suckers outnumber the savy consumers.  I feel like the videogame industry very specifically does not want me, or anyone like me, to be their customer anymore.

Though the Wii U isn't doing so well and I don't think the PS4 or XB1 are looking much better.  Maybe they'll just all crash and burn.  Either way I'm concerned that console gaming as a I knew it is gone for good.
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Post by: magicpixie on May 21, 2013, 07:34:32 PM
Yeah, sounds like they're trying to couch it in weasel words.  As long as you sign into your account, it will be free.  What does this mean for households with multiple users? 

And lulz at the people watching the event on their 360s having issues with their Kinects responding to the demonstrator's commands!
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 21, 2013, 07:46:17 PM
Really wonder how the used sector is going to respond to this. It's got to piss off Gamestop, Best Buy, WalMart, etc.

Also, what did Sony actually say about their own policies about used and DRM and such? I'm betting it's nearly as weasly as Microsoft. Can't imagine that Microsoft would pull some of this without Sony fundamentally marching to the same tune. Otherwise PS4 would have a pretty crazy advantage in the eyes of a lot of early adopter types.
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Post by: Caliban on May 21, 2013, 07:58:06 PM
  • Microsoft will probably go bankrupt.

That won't happen any time soon. Heck they're even making money off of Android phone sales.

(http://i.imgur.com/DvilFfz.png)

Oh snap!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 21, 2013, 08:10:34 PM
After everything that's gone down, it's going to take one hell of an exclusive to get me to buy one of these. Given the state of Microsoft's internal studios and the current way third parties operate, it doesn't seem likely I'll be picking one up anytime soon.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 21, 2013, 08:21:57 PM
hey guys, the Xbox one has been out for quite a while
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110306024032/sonic/images/d/d4/Xbox.png)
seriously xbox one...
somebody explain why that name is better then the wii u
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 21, 2013, 08:41:51 PM
Xbox (all in) One. Name makes sense.
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Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2013, 08:42:31 PM
I don't mind the name "Xbox One." It's fine. Plain, but I think that's the point. It's meant to gets out of the way. You're not supposed to think about it. "Want to play Xbox?" It's like back in the day when people said, "Want to play Nintendo?" No one is getting Xbox One confused with the original Xbox because Microsoft dumped it like eight years ago. They're not going from Xbox directly to Xbox One. I know this sounds like a double standard, but this is nothing like Wii U. The problem with the name "Wii U" is that the Blue Ocean people, presumably the entire reason Nintendo stuck to the Wii name, didn't and probably still don't know what a Wii U is because they were conditioned not to. Besides Live, Microsoft generally doesn't call things Xbox-something like Nintendo did with Wii (e.g. Sports, Play, Fit etc). Really, Nintendo should just call their next console "Nintendo."

The box itself is also plain. It's a rectangle. The end. If I have to nitpick: the glossy finish is lame. It doesn't look like a 360. Not that the 360 looked bad, but Microsoft is doing themselves a favor by avoiding that mess.

Ultimately, I don't see myself getting an Xbox One ever. It looks fancy, but I just don't play video games frequently enough for it to be worth the money. It just made sense to buy a Wii U because it's the only home console that Nintendo makes games for. I'd gladly buy third party games if they were available, but I'm not giving up Nintendo first party games. No matter what Sony and Microsoft release, what deals they make with third parties, Nintendo consoles will always have more exclusive content that I want.

Quote from: Phil Harrison
No, it does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet.
(http://i.imgur.com/tqwYwPA.gif)
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 21, 2013, 08:49:51 PM
I wonder if Sony will throw in the DRM now that Microsoft have made the first move.
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 08:50:04 PM
I don't mind the name "Xbox One." It's fine. Plain, but I think that's the point. It's meant to gets out of the way. You're not supposed to think about it. "Want to play Xbox?" It's like back in the day when people said, "Want to play Nintendo?" No one is getting Xbox One confused with the original Xbox because Microsoft dumped it like eight years ago. They're not going from Xbox directly to Xbox One. I know this sounds like a double standard, but this is nothing like Wii U. The problem with the name "Wii U" is that the Blue Ocean people, presumably the entire reason Nintendo stuck to the Wii name, didn't and probably still don't know what a Wii U is because they were conditioned not to. Besides Live, Microsoft generally doesn't call things Xbox-something like Nintendo did with Wii (e.g. Sports, Play, Fit etc). Really, Nintendo should just call their next console "Nintendo."

Sessler mentioned in his reaction video that Microsoft should have gone the Apple route and just named the console "Xbox". Like new iPods, future consoles would be "the new Xbox" or the "# generation Xbox".
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 21, 2013, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: shingi_70
used games are bad for the industry as a whole.

Yeah yeah. And used car sales are killing the auto industry... Used TV sales are killing the TV industry... Bull ****.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 21, 2013, 08:55:01 PM
considering development costs vs reward, used games aren't very helpful to the industry as a whole
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Post by: TrueNerd on May 21, 2013, 09:03:57 PM
The Wii U has NEVER looked better than it does right now. No fucking joke.

Required internet connection? Effectively locking out used games? Forcing Kinect on me? STILL charging me for Xbox Live even though 2004 ended over eight years ago and such things aren't acceptable anymore? ****. OFF.
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 09:10:50 PM
considering development costs vs reward, used games aren't very helpful to the industry as a whole

You're right. I mean, used games just allow gamers to play a wider variety of games instead of restricting their purchases to specific games they interest at specific price points.

Let's continue to assume that the used video game market is totally different from any other used product market.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 21, 2013, 09:18:44 PM
so always online and no used games are apparently pretty much confirmed
(http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/Ronnita/Gifs/Doctor%20Who/UtopiaMasterByeBye.gif)

now where did i put my popcorn,


considering development costs vs reward, used games aren't very helpful to the industry as a whole

You're right. I mean, used games just allow gamers to play a wider variety of games instead of restricting their purchases to specific games they interest at specific price points.

Let's continue to assume that the used video game market is totally different from any other used product market.
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/07/02/the-rise-of-costs-the-fall-of-gaming/ (http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/07/02/the-rise-of-costs-the-fall-of-gaming/)
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 09:35:26 PM
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/07/02/the-rise-of-costs-the-fall-of-gaming/ (http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/07/02/the-rise-of-costs-the-fall-of-gaming/)

Cool story, bro.

Industry: We're only going to make one type of game. It's going to cost us millions and you have to buy it at the full price point or else we'll go broke.
Consumer: I can't do that because I don't have enough disposable income. I'll buy a select few games new while trying out other games used at a lower price point later on. If I like it, I'll buy the next one new!
Industry: No, we can't do that. We'll just restrict the sale of used games, so you'll have to buy all our games new.
Consumer: Not really. I'll just buy fewer games.
Industry: ...
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Post by: TrueNerd on May 21, 2013, 09:36:23 PM
Now these asshats are saying Phil Harrison was just outlining some "potential scenarios" but don't deny any of them.


http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play (http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play)
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 21, 2013, 09:37:20 PM
it is such a double edged sword and the industry has found itself a very nice way to go on a downhill spiral
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 21, 2013, 09:39:30 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/building-xbox-one-an-inside-look/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/building-xbox-one-an-inside-look/)
"We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics. We targeted it more as a broad entertainment play." (at the 5:43-minute-mark)

]http://www.viddler.com/v/10738ac4?secret=81714898 (http://www.viddler.com/v/10738ac4?secret=81714898)

Uh oh... Nintendo ruining the industry?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 21, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
4/10 - would not bang.
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 09:54:17 PM
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Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2013, 09:58:34 PM
If you pay close attention, you may notice that they mention TV.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 10:04:25 PM
I wonder if Sony will throw in the DRM now that Microsoft have made the first move.


They better. Right now SOny has said they plan to let publishers do what they want in the DRM regard. Honestly i'd rather go through one person fucking me (Microsoft) than multiple people. That was a really sad thing to say.


I'm so fuckng confused about this system tat it hurts. Still good word from the none gaming press and the guys in my braber shop were high on the none gaming ****.


Even the kinect always listening I don't care abou since Google knows more about me just by looking at how creepy Now is.



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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 21, 2013, 10:16:52 PM
so always online and no used games are apparently pretty much confirmed

Did you watch the reveal or read any of the interviews? Because you would know neither are true.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 21, 2013, 10:21:15 PM
I can't wait for the new Call of Duty: Who Let the Dogs Out?
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 10:23:28 PM
so always online and no used games are apparently pretty much confirmed

Did you watch the reveal or read any of the interviews? Because you would know neither are true.

Seeing as how Microsoft have spent the last few hours trying to discredit what their own VP said hours earlier I don't think anyone knows what's true or not.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 21, 2013, 10:29:41 PM
Sony's stock has gone up 9%.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SNE+Interactive#symbol=sne;range=5y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 10:39:44 PM
Quote from: shingi_70
used games are bad for the industry as a whole.

Yeah yeah. And used car sales are killing the auto industry... Used TV sales are killing the TV industry... Bull ****.


Really aren't that comparable despite being so similar.


The TV Industry is dying and quickly changing due to pirating and what not. WHy do you think so many companies are obing to offer digital content. (house of cards, amazon pilots, Halo TV) Also HO can live off of GOT being pirated becuas ethey get payed a **** ton to eb exclusive too cable and networks. Why else you think they haven't went a la carte when they have the back catalog to do so.


Cars is a bit different and i'm not even going to pretend how that works.


We always complain about devs not meeting goals and **** shutting down yet we have no problem with taking money out of the Dev/Pub mouth and giving it directly too a third party. I've bought used games before and I know by a fact that i'm part of the problem.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 10:40:54 PM
Sony's stock has gone up 9%.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SNE+Interactive#symbol=sne;range=5y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined; (http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SNE+Interactive#symbol=sne;range=5y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;)


I think that has more to do with the rumor that the company plans to spin off the entertainment division than anything related to the XO.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 21, 2013, 10:41:54 PM
It's just one investor asking for it (large one at 6%, but just him), I haven't seen any reports that Sony is even considering it.
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Post by: Mannypon on May 21, 2013, 10:53:55 PM
Speaking of used games, I don't see why developers/publishers can't just receive a cut of the profits of used game sales.  At least like that they are making some money back without having to resort to these tactics.  The industry and consumers will regulate themselves in the long run.  If used sales are eliminated, that'll just mean a slight increase on some major releases and nitch/lesser known games getting hit hard.  Developers will still go under one way or another given the ridiculous development costs.  Nintendo has it right in trying to curb that. 
 
Anyways, on to the Xbox One and this generation in general.  The WiiU got me excited and I've yet to regret my purchase (due in large part because I'm a big Nintendo fan and I've enjoyed the system thus far) but the PS4 and, even more so, the Xbox One have left me completely turned off for what's to come.  This is the first time this has happened in my gaming life.  I think I still might get a PS4 in the long run but there seem to be more negatives than positives from what I've seen of the new Xbox. 
 
Looks like it'll be a PC/WiiU/3DS couple of years for me. 
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Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2013, 10:56:07 PM
The DRM thing may only hurt publishers if people who buy used also buy DLC. The publishers wouldn't notice the difference otherwise. If that is the case, then I think it could drive prices down, as more people will be better off waiting, which would cause more people to play the waiting game. Unless the market responds by giving us less annualized games at higher quality. So, maybe everyone will learn something from the experience (even if it hurts a bit).
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 21, 2013, 10:57:07 PM
Publishers would love to get a cut of used sales, but the problem is figuring out a way to do it. Microsoft is apparently going the route of having your games tied to your Xbox Live account and making you have to sell it for full price if you want to sell it.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2013, 11:01:13 PM
Which will not be fun for GameStop (or anyone that sells used games).
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Post by: broodwars on May 21, 2013, 11:03:20 PM
Publishers would love to get a cut of used sales, but the problem is figuring out a way to do it. Microsoft is apparently going the route of having your games tied to your Xbox Live account and making you have to sell it for full price if you want to sell it.

Which logically means that you have to buy it at full price as well. I don't think the market's going to take well to a system where the publishers/Microsoft alone get to determine how much a game is worth indefinitely.  Many people don't buy a game at launch for the full price, and this will pretty much ensure that they never buy the game.

As for today's reveal, it basically ensured that I will not buy an Xbox One, thus making me interested in the PS4 again.  No backwards compatibility, a mandatory once-every-24 hour "check-in"/"call home" policy, price controls on Second-hand software, mandatory Kinect, the absurd amount of focus on TV integration, their general smug douche-iness on stage today, and their general lack of interesting software just completely turned me off the system.  Looks like this next generation is Sony's to lose...surprisingly.
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Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2013, 11:03:29 PM
I still don't understand the point of that. You can only sell your copy, which is now used, for the same price as a brand new game? Why the crap would I buy it off you? I would just go to a store and buy a sealed copy.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2013, 11:14:47 PM
If you haven't played it, it's new to you!
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Post by: magicpixie on May 21, 2013, 11:25:50 PM
This feels like Microsoft's Steambox.  Retail discs will basically be used as an alternative to digital delivery, with the same DRM schemes seen on Steam and Origin, but with the supposed added feature of being able to trade/sell games once you're done with them(I think in Europe Steam is supposed to implement used sales soon).  Hopefully, this means that their pricing schemes will be more flexible, like Steam et al., but I am doubtful since Microsoft probably still has to answer to major retailers who will be selling their consoles along with the retail disc.

There was mention of the old TV model dying, and I agree, it is dying.  However, it's dying is akin to what happened to the music industry when Napster came along.  It is akin to what is happening in the cable industry as they see subscriber numbers drop and they scramble to hold their remaining subscribers hostage with bandwidth caps and bundle deals.  It is akin to the current console market where publishers, retailers, and the console manufacturers have too much at stake to just loosen their grip on the industry.  Instead of seeing where others have succeeded and seeking to duplicate their success, they seek to leverage their position of power in the industry to reassert their dominance over consumers and competitors(see EA with Origin, and Ubisoft with UPlay).

Publishers would love to get a cut of used sales, but the problem is figuring out a way to do it. Microsoft is apparently going the route of having your games tied to your Xbox Live account and making you have to sell it for full price if you want to sell it.

I wonder if they'll amend this to sell it for the "market" value(market being whatever Microsoft are selling it for on their own service).  The interview I saw that confirmed that only mentioned "new" games, and I interpret new to mean "not bargain bin".

I still don't understand the point of that. You can only sell your copy, which is now used, for the same price as a brand new game? Why the crap would I buy it off you? I would just go to a store and buy a sealed copy.

If the retail copy is just a data delivery device(you don't need to download the game digitally, but you do need to install it on your HDD), you are really only purchasing the license to play the game.  It just so happens to come with the convenience of saving you the bandwidth cost of downloading the full game digitally(which is what I assume is what Microsoft and their conspirators really want).  Selling you my copy digitally does essentially the same thing, at the same time, removing my right to play the game.  It essentially removes the concept of "used" from the gaming equation.
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 11:28:22 PM
Publishers would love to get a cut of used sales, but the problem is figuring out a way to do it. Microsoft is apparently going the route of having your games tied to your Xbox Live account and making you have to sell it for full price if you want to sell it.

Sell it full price? No way you're getting full price for a game you sell. More likely is Microsoft setting up a trade-in system similar to Gamestop. Sell it close after launch, get more money. The more you wait to sell it the less money they'll give you. They in turn get to set whatever price they like. It's not like they'll be competing with any other retailer for used games.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 21, 2013, 11:33:24 PM
Publishers would love to get a cut of used sales, but the problem is figuring out a way to do it. Microsoft is apparently going the route of having your games tied to your Xbox Live account and making you have to sell it for full price if you want to sell it.

Which logically means that you have to buy it at full price as well. I don't think the market's going to take well to a system where the publishers/Microsoft alone get to determine how much a game is worth indefinitely.  Many people don't buy a game at launch for the full price, and this will pretty much ensure that they never buy the game.

As for today's reveal, it basically ensured that I will not buy an Xbox One, thus making me interested in the PS4 again.  No backwards compatibility, a mandatory once-every-24 hour "check-in"/"call home" policy, price controls on Second-hand software, mandatory Kinect, the absurd amount of focus on TV integration, their general smug douche-iness on stage today, and their general lack of interesting software just completely turned the system.  Looks like this next generation is Sony's to lose...surprisingly.


With Gamers you mean. You'd be suprised about postive buzz or apathy to news coming from mainstream media and users. The thing will be a probable success either way and at this point I doubt we see anyone dominate like we've seen this gen.


Porbably will have all three at some point becuase well games are fun.
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Post by: alegoicoe on May 21, 2013, 11:42:48 PM
Welcome to the New "New Generation" where everything its the same, just slightly better :cool;
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 21, 2013, 11:43:24 PM
Publishers would love to get a cut of used sales, but the problem is figuring out a way to do it. Microsoft is apparently going the route of having your games tied to your Xbox Live account and making you have to sell it for full price if you want to sell it.

Sell it full price? No way you're getting full price for a game you sell. More likely is Microsoft setting up a trade-in system similar to Gamestop. Sell it close after launch, get more money. The more you wait to sell it the less money they'll give you. They in turn get to set whatever price they like. It's not like they'll be competing with any other retailer for used games.

Phil Harrison plainly said that if you sell a game to someone, they will have to pay the same price you did. So if you paid $50 for a game, the person you sell it to will have to pay $50 as well (or whatever the new cost of the game is when you sell it).
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Post by: Mannypon on May 21, 2013, 11:44:33 PM
I usually have all major consoles every generation but this time I think I'll just stick to my WiiU and eventually a PS4.  Since I've come to building myself a decent PC this past year, I'll be using that for any multi-p western releases, specifically all the western styled rpgs I like.  Given most of Xbox's releases are western type games, I don't see a need for the system anymore.  The PS4 will only serve its purpose for the occasional Sony exclusive and sports games if EA and 2k end up half assing their sports lineups on the WiiU. 

Speaking of EA, I do have to make mention of their "sizzle" real.  I was definitely not impressed.  It all looked CG and like ass IMO.  It can be argued that they could've all been using the ingame engines, but even still, they were all not much of an improvement from what we get now on the PS3 and X360.  Madden still used what seemed to be the same slim looking character models with the same usual animations.  NBA Live looked as plasticy as ever.  Fifa looked good and so did the MMA game but again, I could've been told they were on PS3 and never been the wiser. 
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Post by: magicpixie on May 21, 2013, 11:52:11 PM
It will be interesting to see if any kind of marketplace for trading games is in the works.  Selling games back to Microsoft would be worst-case scenario, I think.  You aren't selling any physical copies back to them, you are returning your license.  There is no physical product that they would have to turn around and resell.  It's like goldsinks in MMOs.  By selling back to Microsoft, you are removing your copy of the game from the marketplace, and MS can sell another license at full price.  You've effectively rented your game.  If, however, you can trade games, things become much more interesting.  How do people place value on certain games becomes a very interesting topic.  Can MS offer a more compelling reason to sell them your license?  Or would you be better served trading among the general public(assuming this is even an option)?

Gawd, all this talk about licenses and digital rights is really weird.  It's like, in one fell swoop, MS has managed to bring the issue of digital ownership to the forefront of the tech debate.  It really should have been there a long time ago.

Again, I wasn't planning on buying a One at launch anyway.  This reveal did nothing to change my mind.  At this point, it will take some truly killer "app"(in light of this reveal, that seems like such a poor choice of words) to get me on board.  I expect a large amount of games worth buying will be multiplatform, for which I have my PC(and, yes, these DRM schemes already exist there without the option to sell).
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Post by: Soren on May 21, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
Phil Harrison plainly said that if you sell a game to someone, they will have to pay the same price you did. So if you paid $50 for a game, the person you sell it to will have to pay $50 as well (or whatever the new cost of the game is when you sell it).

Right. What I was trying to say though is that you won't get $50 for selling that game. You'll get 30, or 20 or whatever price Microsoft says.
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Post by: magicpixie on May 21, 2013, 11:58:56 PM
Phil Harrison plainly said that if you sell a game to someone, they will have to pay the same price you did. So if you paid $50 for a game, the person you sell it to will have to pay $50 as well (or whatever the new cost of the game is when you sell it).

Right. What I was trying to say though is that you won't get $50 for selling that game. You'll get 30, or 20 or whatever price Microsoft says.

I took that as person-to-person sale.  Regardless, the person buying a used game is paying "full" price.

EDIT: Wow, it looks like even Microsoft don't know WTF this console is going to do:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play

More weasel words?
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 22, 2013, 12:15:53 AM
I think Microsoft is still sorting some stuff out. With the reactions today, I would not be surprised to see some things change by launch this holiday season.

Same for Sony, really.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 22, 2013, 02:28:40 AM
With the reactions today, I would not be surprised to see some things change by launch this holiday season.

Will they though?  For some reason console number 3 seems to be the one that always goes badly.  It happened to Sony and Nintendo, looks like it's time for Microsoft to join the party.
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Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2013, 09:43:52 AM
On PC you've been buying Licences well for a very long time.  Its the natural evolution when Storage Medium is no longer needed to hold things.  As soon as you have the space to keep it local than licensing is the model that happens.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 22, 2013, 10:51:57 AM
So with mandatory hard drive installs, what does that mean to people wanting to sell or trade in their discs at GameStop?

If I burn a CD to my PC, I can still sell it at FYE.

Used game sales hurting publishers is akin to saying used car sales hurt dealers and auto companies. It's bullshit.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 22, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
The thing that's ridiculous about locking out used sales is that at this point the "threat" of used sales is diminishing.  The market is moving towards digital distribution and there are no used sales there and the only way for them to exist is if the companies involved put in the infrastructure to do it.  They've won.  Used sales will effectively no longer exist in the future and they'll get rid of them without consumer backlash as used digital sales just never really existed so they would not be taking away anything the consumer used to have.

And we already have DLC so a used sale does not necessarily mean that the publisher gets no money from the purchase because the owner of a used game can still buy new DLC.  Hell if I sell my game to Bob and he buys the DLC and then he trades the game in and Sam buys the used copy and then buys the DLC I just sold TWO DLC purchaes on one physical copy of the game.

Hell free-to-play is a model now.  A used game with DLC is very similar only instead of it being free you get one new purchase and then a chain of potential DLC customers connected to each physical copy as it travels through the used market.  How is a used game buyer any different from a free-to-play user that got the game without paying for it but now that they're enjoying the game is likely to buy DLC?  Yeah maybe the used game buyer doesn't buy anything but that risk is the same with free-to-play.  At the very least you have the ability to sell new content to someone playing a used game and until last gen this was not possible.  Used game sales are now less damaging to the industry then they were in the PS1/N64 era but NOW that they're not as damaging and they're going to become extinct within the next ten years they decide to lock them out... while the other two console makers don't?
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 22, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
but the industry is in a very nasty position. this whole used games thing seems like a sign of desperation...
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 22, 2013, 02:15:53 PM
Is Microsoft importing the same model they have used for years with, for example, their Office products? If not already pre-installed, you buy the software on a disc (or, in the old days, several floppy discs) and, once installed, you have to activate your licence for the software by entering a key or registering online. You can't then sell your used copy of Microsoft Office to someone else because the copy on the disc is registered and licensed only to you. It looks to me like it's just a standard software licencing model applied now to X-Box game software.


I get that it limits the used game market and I wholeheartedly agree that it completely sucks balls. What I am asking is if there is something particularly novel in the model that I am missing.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 22, 2013, 02:31:05 PM
I think the difference is mainly that used console game purchases has been the norm forever but used software was never really much of a thing.  Also it is conventional to install computer software, so there is the obvious problem that I could sell my physical discs to you while keeping my installation on my hard drive, effectively pirating the software.  But with a console game it was always some physical media and if I sold you my game I could no longer play it, thus there remained only one player per physical copy.  The software licensing model was created with the justification of preventing people from "sharing" copies, not so much to block used sales.

"We need to have licenses so people don't pirate our software." - Fair excuse.  Software piracy is effectively stealing so the excuse is an easy sell.

"We need to have licenses so people don't buy used copies of our games." - Lame excuse.  Used purchases have always been legal and until the videogame companies started squawking about it there was no real moral or ethical debate about it.  It comes across as greedy corporations wanting more control over the consumer and thus is a hard sell.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 22, 2013, 05:57:37 PM
In regards to used games, Major Nelson says policy decisions are still being finalized.

Quote
We are still months away from the launch of Xbox One & policy decisions are still being finalized.

http://news.yahoo.com/xbox-one-faq-chat-major-nelson-larry-hryb-150903740.html

I think we could see Micrsoft backpedal on this due to the negative reaction
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 22, 2013, 07:31:40 PM
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 22, 2013, 07:56:16 PM
Well, looks like Xbox 360 headsets might not work on the Xbox One: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-incompatible-with-current-gaming-headsets?utm_campaign=fbposts&utm_source=facebook
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Post by: Shaymin on May 22, 2013, 08:16:48 PM
So are they selling new headsets, or is it Wii Speak with spyware?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 22, 2013, 08:17:50 PM
The Xbox One controller has a new proprietary slot, so IGN speculates that there will be new headsets designed specifically for it and that they could be even better.
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Post by: Mannypon on May 22, 2013, 08:23:50 PM
The Xbox One controller has a new proprietary slot, so IGN speculates that there will be new headsets designed specifically for it and that they could be even better.

Sweet, so a headset that serves no other purpose outside of the Xbone?  I hope this means they'll overcharge for what would be the equivalent of an average headset otherwise.  I was wondering if they'll follow up on these practices after their amazing hardrive and usb wifi dongles that were releases for the 360.  MS never disappoints.  ;)
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 22, 2013, 09:56:21 PM
don't forget your extended warranty...
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Post by: NeoThunder on May 22, 2013, 11:41:58 PM
It's very simple. Instead of charging people who buy used games. Charge people who want to play the game without putting the disk in. Just have it function like the 360 does already when you install a game. Easy, simple, now watch Microsoft not do it...
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Post by: oohhboy on May 22, 2013, 11:55:45 PM
The amount of backlash (Soon to become blowback) for the Xbone is near universal. Even professional sites like Gamasutra had bile and venom in their posts. The only way they could have done worse in that reveal was to commit terrorism.

No amount of backpedal is going to help. They have lost the trust of their supporters.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 23, 2013, 02:21:18 AM
Yet the rest of the more casual gaming world will continue to buy this **** up. The typical ten year old who begs his mom to buy him the system for Christmas will not give a ****. They'll continue to get their new copy of CoD every year until the next system.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 23, 2013, 12:06:16 PM
The amount of backlash (Soon to become blowback) for the Xbone is near universal. Even professional sites like Gamasutra had bile and venom in their posts. The only way they could have done worse in that reveal was to commit terrorism.

No amount of backpedal is going to help. They have lost the trust of their supporters.


But outside the gaming bubble i'm seeing disappointingly enough positive response. Still there is enough time to trn the boat around from a gamers perspective.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 23, 2013, 12:07:45 PM
The Xbox One controller has a new proprietary slot, so IGN speculates that there will be new headsets designed specifically for it and that they could be even better.

Sweet, so a headset that serves no other purpose outside of the Xbone?  I hope this means they'll overcharge for what would be the equivalent of an average headset otherwise.  I was wondering if they'll follow up on these practices after their amazing hardrive and usb wifi dongles that were releases for the 360.  MS never disappoints.  ;)


Well unless you just decide to get a bluetooth headset like most guys. This will suck for the awesome looking turtle beach ones,



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Post by: lolmonade on May 23, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
I'm not Microsoft's target market if the announcement was indicative of the focus they're taking with the Xbox One, but I have some curiosity over the "used games" rumors.
 
If "purchasing" your friends' license for a game forces you to pay full price ($60), I see it as a big turn-off.  But if you could set your own price that you could sell it to a friend, then I would be interested to see how the consumers handle it. 
 
Microsoft could set up an amazon-esque store where when you pull up the game, you could buy a digital license from microsoft directly, and then below there would be users selling their copy for various prices.  Publishers get the normal cut for the copy bought from microsoft, but if it's a used sale, they get a lower percentage of the cost of those sales.  This could possibly incentivize publishers to put the official copy on sale, limiting how many "used" licenses are sold, and by increasing the amount of purchases tied to accounts, this lowers the assumed value of the used copies due to the higher number of copies out there tied to accounts. 
 
I doubt this would happen, but I'd love to see what kind of impact that would have on the marketplace.  I don't have anything against the Gamestops of the world, but this is obviously a decision made to undercut their sales more than anything, and i'd wish console makers would at least try to make these restrictions as attractive as possible.
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Post by: stevey on May 23, 2013, 02:33:35 PM
Horrible name, horrible design, horrible DRM, horrible games, horrible marketing, horrible gimmick, and not to mention:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/n64/599cide.gif)
€599 (http://www.amazon.de/Microsoft-Xbox-One-Konsole/dp/B00CUGKF2A/)


Even for a placeholder, that's horrible price to be advertised as. I think Microsoft has a lock for the 21th Blunder of the Century title with this one.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 23, 2013, 04:28:26 PM
This from IGN:
"Another nugget of information: you also can't turn off Kinect's microphone, says hardware program manager John Link (via Polygon (http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353580/kinect-always-listening-on-xbox-one-privacy-is-a-top-priority)). It's always listening"
So, yeah, that's creepy
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-what-we-do-and-dont-know (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-what-we-do-and-dont-know)
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 23, 2013, 04:39:12 PM
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        big brother is watching
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Post by: magicpixie on May 23, 2013, 04:41:57 PM
Having been PC gaming almost exclusively for about 8 months now, I feel almost inured to this revelation by MS.  Honestly, if MS had said they were going all digital, would the outrage over possibly losing used sales have been the same?  Maybe.  The outrage of losing retail copies, I feel, would have definitely been much greater.  I think a lot of this used game discussion is happening as a result of MS having to tiptoe the line between going all digital, and keeping retailers happy.

I find it quite amusing how much I'm hearing the "I'll stick to Steam, thanks" sentiment considering that it's essentially just another DRM scheme.  It highlights how little people trust MS to do the right thing when it comes to consumers.  I feel that although Steam is technically DRM, and although Valve has so much control, it has overall been a great development for PC gaming.  There is hardly a day that goes by where I'm not looking at the Steam store hoping for something great to go on sale.  Will MS follow Steam's pricing model?  Who knows.  If they do, will people still be as upset as they are now?  There are still a lot of questions that need to be answered.

To be completely honest, I wasn't expecting new consoles from Sony or MS at all this year.  I thought that despite the old consoles getting a bit long in the tooth, they were going to wait it out one more year.  I don't know if MS was caught off-guard by how well Sony's announcement was received, but this reveal definitely gave me the impression that they were running a bit behind.  Perhaps that is why there have been mixed messages being sent from MS officials.

Also, regarding Kinect always being on: that's kinda hot...  Time to bust out the S&M gear!
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 23, 2013, 05:08:45 PM
Even for a placeholder, that's horrible price to be advertised as. I think Microsoft has a lock for the 21th Blunder of the Century title with this one.

Australia has the placeholder at about $899.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 23, 2013, 09:46:07 PM
I'm not Microsoft's target market if the announcement was indicative of the focus they're taking with the Xbox One, but I have some curiosity over the "used games" rumors.
 
If "purchasing" your friends' license for a game forces you to pay full price ($60), I see it as a big turn-off.  But if you could set your own price that you could sell it to a friend, then I would be interested to see how the consumers handle it. 
 
Microsoft could set up an amazon-esque store where when you pull up the game, you could buy a digital license from microsoft directly, and then below there would be users selling their copy for various prices.  Publishers get the normal cut for the copy bought from microsoft, but if it's a used sale, they get a lower percentage of the cost of those sales.  This could possibly incentivize publishers to put the official copy on sale, limiting how many "used" licenses are sold, and by increasing the amount of purchases tied to accounts, this lowers the assumed value of the used copies due to the higher number of copies out there tied to accounts. 
 
I doubt this would happen, but I'd love to see what kind of impact that would have on the marketplace.  I don't have anything against the Gamestops of the world, but this is obviously a decision made to undercut their sales more than anything, and i'd wish console makers would at least try to make these restrictions as attractive as possible.

The problem is, though, that there's no difference between a new and used copy. It's all just paying for a license at this point (outside of the negligible cost of the disk). Why should Microsoft allow users to sell a license for less than new, just because they previously bought it? There's no real market to be made on used copies because there's no actual scarcity (this is a problem for a lot of things). The only way this could not be entirely anti-consumer is if the game publishers had total control over the license fee, but that's basically just the price anyway -- would EA rather lower the universal price for a game to $30 after two months, or take its chances on locking out "used" games and making up for the loss of volume in premium pricing?

This all strikes me as extremely untested price discrimination scheming and liable to be a disaster.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 23, 2013, 09:50:13 PM
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ready... FIGHT!!!
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Post by: Traveller on May 24, 2013, 12:20:47 AM
Buying physical will be pointless on this system. May as well download everything, they are the same thing..
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 24, 2013, 12:50:21 AM
The physical copies are only there for people with download caps and people who want to have things up on a shelf.
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Post by: Ceric on May 24, 2013, 10:07:01 AM
The physical copies are only there for people with download caps and people who want to have things up on a shelf.
This.
Physical copies are just a compromise.  Just like computer software.  From, get this, A computer Software company.
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Post by: ymeegod on May 24, 2013, 11:29:19 AM
A new update on reselling:

"A gamer walks into a retailer and hands over the game they wish to sell. This will only be possible at retailers who have agreed to Microsoft’s T&Cs and more importantly integrated Microsoft’s cloud-based Azure pre-owned system into its own.

 The game is then registered as having been trade-in on Microsoft’s system. The consumer who handed it over will subsequently see the game wiped from their account – hence the until now ambiguous claim from Phil Harrison that the Xbox One would have to ‘check in’ to Microsoft’s servers every 24 hours.

 The retailer can then sell the pre-owned game at whatever price they like, although as part of the system the publisher of the title in question will automatically receive a percentage cut of the sale. As will Microsoft. The retailer will pocket the rest."

-----------------------------------

Still don't know the %fee MS has in stock but I'm guessing it's the $6-8 range or what MS normally get for royalty charge per/disc anyhow. 
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 24, 2013, 11:51:26 AM
It still sucks, but that's about as well as they could have handled it. It would seem to cut person-to-person sales out of the equation entirely, though. eBay's out; Amazon may be able to rig something up.
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Post by: oohhboy on May 24, 2013, 04:51:44 PM
MS continues climbing the ladder of crazy. Patents achievements for watching TV (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-microsoft-patents-awarding-achievements-for-watching-tv).

(http://i5.minus.com/iw829kBruuy1j.jpg)
Edit: added LOLz.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 24, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
MS continues climbing the ladder of crazy. Patents achievements for watching TV (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-microsoft-patents-awarding-achievements-for-watching-tv).

Microsoft has already done similar stuff before, like giving you exclusive Avatar items if you watched 2 of the 3 presidential debates through Xbox Live.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 24, 2013, 06:25:08 PM
They also had those Kinect nu-ads where the ad is interactive when you have Kinect. The advertisement avatar items are pretty crappy as well.
 
This means Microsoft would own the Used Market and gains money from it. Can't see Sony not doing it if they can make money off of what they usully wouldn't.
 
I also don't think this product will be a failure like most gamers will. I told a few friends about the used games and quasi always on and they just shrugged it off like it didn't matter. Even the Kinect stuff didn't seem that bad seeing as most people in my age group (21) doesn't care about privacy like some of you older guys might.
I wanted to jump up and down about a always listening and watching Kinect but honestly I don't care. I mean Google has been consideredshady for a while now and I still use Google Now which is  horrible invase service when you think about it.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 24, 2013, 06:30:40 PM
so a video game system that rewards you for not playing video games?

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!
(http://abload.de/img/lol74x1d.gif)
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 24, 2013, 06:50:08 PM
LOL Tom Baker. Trying to recall what ep that is from.
Face of Evil?
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 24, 2013, 07:13:34 PM
LOL Tom Baker. Trying to recall what ep that is from.
Face of Evil?
no clue, haven't gotten into classic who much,
doesn't help that there is only a trickle of it on netflix.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 24, 2013, 08:27:28 PM
Since the Kinect camera and the Kinect microphone are always on, some people are voicing concerns about hacking and privacy.

Personally I think this is a great opportunity for third party hardware makers. I present, the Xbone Muffler by Mad Catz. Block the eye of the camera, cover the ears of the mike!

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/shyguy70/xbonemuffler_zps141a2539.png) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/shyguy70/media/xbonemuffler_zps141a2539.png.html)
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 25, 2013, 02:04:53 AM
Has this been mentioned yet?

http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-kinect-2s-visual-drm-functions-found-in-patent-file-report/ (http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-kinect-2s-visual-drm-functions-found-in-patent-file-report/)

A patent for Kinect to see how many people in the room watching and will restrict access to things if there is too many.  Have to cough up some cash to allow access.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 25, 2013, 02:31:05 AM
There goes my annual Super Bowl party. :(
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 25, 2013, 02:39:24 AM
There goes my annual Super Bowl party. :(

From the conference: "Can you imagine what we could do with the Superbowl?"
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Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2013, 06:38:53 AM
I read a comment on Ars Technica that mentioned that patent. I figured it was old. No thank you, Microsoft. The implications of that patent can kindly get the **** out of my face. I know that's not a definite, but Microsoft is obviously thinking about it.

Nintendo is the only console maker that hasn't given me a reason to not support them which is sad because they've gotten some very basic things wrong. The extent of them culling gamer habits is Miiverse and to a lesser extent, Club Nintendo. The difference is that those are voluntary. I can still play the console without ever taking part in either. Xbox One is more intrusive than PS4, but the implications are treading the same anti-consumer ground so I'll simply respond by not buying them.
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Post by: azeke on May 25, 2013, 07:34:56 AM
I read a comment on Ars Technica that mentioned that patent. I figured it was old. No thank you, Microsoft. The implications of that patent can kindly get the **** out of my face. I know that's not a definite, but Microsoft is obviously thinking about it.
There is also this:
(http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/sony-patent-interactive-advertising.jpg)
It's a Sony patent.
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Post by: oohhboy on May 26, 2013, 12:58:25 AM
This is winning.

(http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif)
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Post by: Oblivion on May 26, 2013, 01:05:46 AM
This is winning.

(http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif)


You are behind in the times, I see.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 26, 2013, 10:04:18 AM
Best .gif ever (besides the the Samuel L Jackson Team Fortress one).
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 26, 2013, 01:41:49 PM
(http://cdn.duelinganalogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/One-Box-to-Rule-Them-All.jpg)
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 27, 2013, 12:20:17 AM
http://pixelenemy.com/microsoft-disables-youtube-comments-on-xbox-channel-following-negative-comments/ (http://pixelenemy.com/microsoft-disables-youtube-comments-on-xbox-channel-following-negative-comments/)


Too much hate on the XBox YouTube channel, so they disabled comments.




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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 27, 2013, 12:22:01 AM
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/microsoft-answers-the-question-of-xbox-one-region-locks/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/microsoft-answers-the-question-of-xbox-one-region-locks/)

Region locking confirmed.


Looking more and more like



(http://i.imgur.com/AJS7VHe.gif)
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Post by: azeke on May 27, 2013, 12:28:57 AM
Actually region locking would be "beneficial" in this case, because now they can implement their used games policy in US and ditch it in Europe/Japan due to legal reasons.

If Sony bends under EA's pressure regarding used game sales, region locking would be one way to keep Japan on their side.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 27, 2013, 01:46:07 AM
That doesn't specify whether all games will be region locked or if that's decided on a per-game basis (like the 360). International gamers such as myself need to know!
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 27, 2013, 03:12:23 AM
That doesn't specify whether all games will be region locked or if that's decided on a per-game basis (like the 360). International gamers such as myself need to know!

You are quite right.  Upon reading it again, it may be even worse.  It specifically mentions "country-specific".  Could they be taking region locking a step further and locking games (and subsequent extortionate prices) by individual country as opposed to larger regions? 
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 27, 2013, 03:44:07 AM
I don't think that would be realistic to want to spend more money to print more unique discs/packages than they do now for no real financial incentive in North America or Asia. Maybe there's a reason to do it in Europe or South America?

I mean there are a lot of things to worry about with the X-1, but I don't think super-specific-country-locking is one of them. Unless you live in Brazil. Maybe. I don't know.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 27, 2013, 03:48:08 AM
I don't think that would be realistic to want to spend more money to print more unique discs/packages than they do now for no real financial incentive in North America or Asia.

Would they need to?  From the looks of things thus far, the discs are for the initial install only.  The rest is done via digital codes. 
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 27, 2013, 04:11:21 AM
Well, the packaging would at least have to properly indicate what country the disc/code will work in, at least. But really, I can't imagine a scenario where MS splits up regions more than they already have. The financial incentive just isn't there.

I'm really looking at X-1 as MS wanting a digital-only system, except with a way for grandmas to buy games for you at Christmas. That's the only reason I can imagine for them keeping discs at all.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 27, 2013, 08:55:37 PM
-$1 billion investment in games
-15 titles in the first year of the console
-8 of the new titles are new IP
-New Head of Lionhead John Needham is an MMO expert. (Fable MMO incoming)
-Phil Harrison is the head of Microsoft Studios Europe
-Rare is going to revive an old franchise. (Killer Instinct)
-Microsoft Studios Osaka confirmed.
-Microsoft Studios Washington
-Xbox One is a platform built for flexibility
-Beefed up smartglass
-Partly curated online store
-will ensure smaller lower budget efforts get
Word's with friends is apparently coming to the system.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7Q8OHEng5gU/UZ4j4sGULnI/AAAAAAAABq8/moM5CGXaq1Q/w788-h591-no/IMG_20130523_101240.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hEE8sNX.jpg)
A photo from the xbox reveal with possible games.
I'm guessing
1.Quantum Break
2.A crackdown sequel
3.Forza 5
4.??? Looks like the game they showed when they were showing the OS stuff.
5.Halo franchise (I'm guessing Halo 2 remake is going to be for 360)
6.New IP from Rare
7. Ryse I Guess
8. Something from Lionhead I guess.
 
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 29, 2013, 03:06:15 PM
I just thought of something else about the anti-used-game policy that really affects me personally.  My favourite store is Willow Video Games, which is a local chain.  I typically go there for used retro games but they naturally also have new games plus a big selection of used titles for the current systems.  I'm smart enough to realize that their bread-and-butter aren't old Colecovision games.  The used games for current systems would naturally be the bigger seller.  With the Xbox One not offering this as an option a whole section of their product disappears.  So what if they go under?  I won't buy an Xbox One and I'm not going there to buy used versions of new games for $5 cheaper (and they don't do that anyway; their used games prices are noticably reduced from the new price).  I'm mostly going there for old SNES and NES games but the elimination of used games could take all that down at the same time.  A big chunk of the store traffic is people looking for used games for current systems and this allows them to also offer much more niche retro products that likely could not support a whole store on their own.

I don't like the concept of locking out used games enough that I want the Xbox One to fail but now I see a way it could personally affect me, even if I choose not to participate.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 29, 2013, 03:41:23 PM
I just thought of something else about the anti-used-game policy that really affects me personally.  My favourite store is Willow Video Games, which is a local chain.  I typically go there for used retro games but they naturally also have new games plus a big selection of used titles for the current systems.  I'm smart enough to realize that their bread-and-butter aren't old Colecovision games.  The used games for current systems would naturally be the bigger seller.  With the Xbox One not offering this as an option a whole section of their product disappears.  So what if they go under?  I won't buy an Xbox One and I'm not going there to buy used versions of new games for $5 cheaper (and they don't do that anyway; their used games prices are noticably reduced from the new price).  I'm mostly going there for old SNES and NES games but the elimination of used games could take all that down at the same time.  A big chunk of the store traffic is people looking for used games for current systems and this allows them to also offer much more niche retro products that likely could not support a whole store on their own.

I don't like the concept of locking out used games enough that I want the Xbox One to fail but now I see a way it could personally affect me, even if I choose not to participate.
This exactly what Microsoft wants sadly enough and is why I expect Sony to do it as well. This DRM means that gamers can only trade games in at authorized retails (gamestop, walmart, and other big chains) meaning the Console Maker/Publisher gets money from you either way.
I'm more worried on who this would affect rentals and services like gamefly.
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Post by: Ceric on May 29, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
Unfortunately for us the Writing has been on the wall for GameFly this whole Generation.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 29, 2013, 06:27:48 PM
Unfortunately for us the Writing has been on the wall for GameFly this whole Generation.

Dang it, so much for the Weekend Confirmed podcast. :(
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 29, 2013, 07:38:52 PM
Unfortunately for us the Writing has been on the wall for GameFly this whole Generation.

Dang it, so much for the Weekend Confirmed podcast. :(
That would be the worst thing to come out of gamefly dissolving. I'm guessing Netflix dodged a bullet when they decided not to branch into games,
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 29, 2013, 10:25:58 PM
Any chance that the gaming community could persuade Microsft to drop their used game fees and DRM? I mean there is n o way that non-Microsoft loyalists will buy the console. It is going to bite them in the ass over the long term.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 29, 2013, 10:31:34 PM
you forget microsoft is still one of the largest companies in the world, if they have to get a marketing team in they will
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Post by: Shaymin on May 29, 2013, 10:32:37 PM
In short: No.
In long: F**k no.

The Four Horsemen of the Western Publishers (Activision, EA, Ubi and 2K) want it too badly.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 29, 2013, 10:59:56 PM
All three consoles have DRM, so why would that go away? As for used game fee, meh. I don't like not being able to get cheaper used games, but I will reserve judgement til we know more.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 29, 2013, 11:16:13 PM
In short: No.
In long: F**k no.

The Four Horsemen of the Western Publishers (Activision, EA, Ubi and 2K) want it too badly.


They will probably be the only ones that can afford to support the two systems.
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Post by: azeke on May 29, 2013, 11:19:44 PM
The Four Horsemen of the Western Publishers (Activision, EA, Ubi and 2K) want it too badly.
Strangely for such a big publisher with an array of online games, Activision doesn't use online passes (at least for CoD they don't, i think). I can find some statements from them against used games sales, but they never went as hard on it as EA or even Sony.

I mean there is n o way that non-Microsoft loyalists will buy the console. It is going to bite them in the ass over the long term.
If the price is right and the games are appealing to you, "console loyalty" should never prevent you from indulging yourself.

I don't like what i saw about XBone. I loved XBone presentation for how stupidly misguided it was. Best tragicomedy i've seen this year.

But it's all about games. If they will show some amazing games at next E3, i might pick up XBone in a few years for 250$ or less for a pair of exclusives ;p
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Post by: Shaymin on May 29, 2013, 11:39:31 PM
Strangely for such a big publisher with an array of online games, Activision doesn't use online passes (at least for CoD they don't, i think). I can find some statements from them against used games sales, but they never went as hard on it as EA or even Sony.

Activision's the only 3rd party doing games-as-a-service with any success. Their console output at this point boils down to Call of Duty (which sells 10m+ in its first quarter + map packs by the truckload), Skylanders (which is a trojan horse for plastic crap), and various pieces of licensed... work... that get no marketing and still sell (see: Dead, Walking). Next year, they add Destiny, which works on the CoD model.

So basically, they don't need to worry about used sales because you're into the platform.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 30, 2013, 02:44:15 AM
So apparently Kinect can be turned off.  More details at E3 of course.  Must be a catch in there somewhere.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124447-Xbox-Ones-Kinect-Can-Actually-Be-Turned-Off (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124447-Xbox-Ones-Kinect-Can-Actually-Be-Turned-Off)


The question then becomes, why make it mandatory if you can turn it off?
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Post by: Adrock on May 30, 2013, 09:45:31 AM
I presumed Kinect is mandatory while the console is on since it's so reliant on voice instructions and such. My understanding is that Kinect would be always-on even when the console is powered down so it could listen to commands (e.g. "Xbox turn on") similar to how a TV can be off yet can still readily turn on when you click the power button on the remote control. The difference is that Kinect is a microphone and HD camera capable of seeing and hearing everything you do in front of it. Being able to turn Kinect off entirely without having to unplug it or the console would assuage spying fears though I think those fears would always be there just because of the kind of device it is.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 30, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
Any chance that the gaming community could persuade Microsft to drop their used game fees and DRM? I mean there is n o way that non-Microsoft loyalists will buy the console. It is going to bite them in the ass over the long term.

They will drop these things if their sales are low and they associate the low sales with these features.  That's it.  If you don't like it, don't buy it and try to convince your friends and family to do the same.  But even then MS might come to different conclusions based on poor sales.

The problem is that some Call of Duty/Madden player who lives in a big city with readily available and reliable internet and doesn't care about used games has no reason to give a **** aside from principles.  How often do people care about that which does not affect them directly?  My concern is that these people will make the Xbox One succeed.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 31, 2013, 05:10:21 PM
Which wouldn't be a problem being in the free market. I still think that the used game DRM isn't as much as a problem as the online check. I know quite a few people who wouldn't care about the used games DRM but being always online would suck for them.
Saw this on twitter and my hype is rising.
(http://abload.de/img/screenshot2013-05-31acmux2.png)
 
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Post by: magicpixie on May 31, 2013, 05:58:11 PM
Lots of rumors flying around.  I kind of want to be surprised, so I'm going to have to be careful from here on out not to spoil anything for myself.  If half of the things I'm seeing are true, it's going to be a very interesting E3.
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Post by: shingi_70 on May 31, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
I've been wondering how Microsoft Plans to get all the info they need out in 90 minutes but it seems they won't half to since they're taking a page out of Nintendo's book.
From Major Nelson
Quote
E3 is almost here, so I wanted to let you know how you can watch the Xbox E3 2013 Media Briefing show   
“Xbox: A new Generation of Games Revealed.”
Watch the main event live at 12:30p ET/9:30a PT/16:30 GMT (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=E3+2013+Media+Briefing&iso=20130610T0930&p1=137&ah=1&am=30) via the live global stream that will be available on Xbox LIVE and Xbox.com (http://www.xbox.com/). If you are in the US or Canada, you can also watch the broadcast on Spike TV. 
The show will be 90-minutes and be presented without commercial interruptions.
The full show will be available later in the day for viewing via video on demand on Xbox.com and Xbox LIVE.
PLUS That Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday I’ll be hosting a live one-hour show from the show each day. During each hour we’ll take a closer look at some of the announcements, interviews with developers, gameplay and more.

The Name instills confidence that they plan to back up there all games talk.
 
Also apparently Microsoft has something for indies.
Quote
A report last week that the next Xbox console won't allow independent game developers to self-publish on the Xbox One gave people yet another next-gen Xbox thing to stew about. But Microsoft's Xbox chief says that Xbox One will have some sort of indie-friendly program.
 We're not necessarily in contradiction territory here but rather in—stop me if you've read this one before—the land of more-details-to-come.
"We're going to have an independent creator program," Don Mattrick, Microsoft's head of interactive entertainment (read: he's in charge of the Xbox), told me last week. "We're going to sponsor it. We're going to give people tools. We're going to give more information."
 Mattrick mentioned this during my brief interview with him regarding the future of game consoles. We didn't get into self-publishing and he declined to share specifics just yet. He did, at least, praise the success of Minecraft and other indie-developed games and cited his own career trajectory. He may be an executive now, but back in the day, he was a game designer, starting young with racing games such as Test Drive.
"That is something we think—I think—is important," he said of an indie program. "That's how I started in the industry. There's no way we're going to build a box that doesn't support that."
15 days till E3.[/t][/t][/t]
I'm guessing they're going to announce it at build 2013.
I just want to know if Microsoft is going to support streaming of games like the PS4 will. I know it supports recording of games but I really want livstreaming. [/td][/tr][/table]
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 04, 2013, 01:22:08 PM
tweeted Phil Psencer (vice president of Microsoft studio) and he replied and sent me another tweet this morning.
(http://i.imgur.com/cnnb0Ks.png)
So 15 exclusives for the one from Internal Microsoft devs. 8 of them being new IP.
7 returning IP
1. Forza Motorsport 5
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8 new IP
1.Qunatum Break
2.Ryse
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
Halo Spartan Assault was announced for WIndows 8/phone and will be a twin stick shooter, You play as Sarah Palmer one of the character's introduced in Halo 4 and one of the protagonists of the Halo Spartan Ops. It deals with some of the time period between Halo 3 and 4 which was covered in the current Halo novel series the Kilo-five trilogy. While the books dealt with the universes politics and building of the usnc Infinity, this is dealing with the first missions of the Spartan-IV program. NO multiplayer (which doesn't make sense) but it has cross platform cloud saves and playing the game unlocks content in Halo 4.
[youtube:BxsYQtltOco]
Lionhead announced Fable Anniversary for xbox 360. ITs the Orginal Fable and its PC only expansion pack the lost chapters on one disc. Graphics redone similar to Halo Anniversary and is going to be in 1080p. Achievements added as wella s new Gameplay enhancements. The game will support smarglass and have leaderboards,.
(http://i.imgur.com/UwrJQiD.jpg)
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Games/Xbox%20360/Fable%20Anniversary/FA01.jpg)
 
 
Disney also announced that Fantaisa game by Harmonix for 360/One.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Kq0_dGKx4Os (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Kq0_dGKx4Os)
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Post by: Ceric on June 04, 2013, 01:29:38 PM
I probably should play Fable one day.  Shoot I bought a Fable themed 360 Controller for my Sister's Husband one year because they like the series.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 04, 2013, 02:43:53 PM
The Lost Chapters was NOT a PC-only expansion pack. It was released on Xbox and PC at the same time. I didn't even know there was a PC version before now.

Hopefully they shorten the load times (god, those load times were so annoying, I felt like I was playing a PS2 game because of how long they were). My only concern would be if they lengthened the game somehow. Considering the game was incredibly short (I beat the game TWICE in under 10 hours combined), I don't think they could justify it being more than $20-30.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: shingi_70 on June 05, 2013, 03:08:39 PM
Thinking of getting a PS4 instead of a one this year. Can wait for one till next year.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on June 05, 2013, 07:00:35 PM
Thinking of getting a PS4 instead of a one this year. Can wait for one till next year.
WHAAAAAAAT?? ZOMG!!
I am seriously shocked by this as you are pretty much the reason this thread is so active most of the time. What factors have led to your decision, shingi?
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2013, 10:29:27 PM
WHAAAAAAAT?? ZOMG!!
I am seriously shocked by this as you are pretty much the reason this thread is so active most of the time. What factors have led to your decision, shingi?
That Xbox One unveiling was one haymaker to the nads after another. That might have something to do with it.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 05, 2013, 10:31:55 PM
I don't think it was too bad, and Microsoft already said before the unveiling that the focus on games would be at E3.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: shingi_70 on June 05, 2013, 10:37:09 PM
Thinking of getting a PS4 instead of a one this year. Can wait for one till next year.
WHAAAAAAAT?? ZOMG!!
I am seriously shocked by this as you are pretty much the reason this thread is so active most of the time. What factors have led to your decision, shingi?

Mostly I'm really liking Sony's messaging and a good chunk of it is aimed at me as a lapsed PlayStation fan. My first two console gens were Sony products mostly and than I ended up with a 36 due to the PS3's price point. Also Sony is being pretty good with its programs and how its dealing with independent studios. Also I missed a lot of JRPGS at the tail end of this generation so I'm going to prevent that from picking a console adopted by Japan first. It helps I planned to pick up a Vita for FFX.
 

 
I'd say the Xbox reveal had a bit to do to it. I was looking at the event from a  business and tech lover perspective, but not from that of a gamer's and watching the Playstation meeting and Xbox Reveal back to back that became more apparent.
 
Microsoft still has E3 to impress and i'll probably buy the console anyway as I like Halo, Fable, and Remedy.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 05, 2013, 10:37:43 PM
we all know how this console war will go...

(http://whalethen.com/files/TWbHsU9.png.pagespeed.ce.yjnXg1pvtx.png)

the question is if nintendo and sony switch places...
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2013, 10:50:56 PM
I don't think it was too bad, and Microsoft already said before the unveiling that the focus on games would be at E3.
To each his own. I find the online and Kinect requirements troubling and whatever is happening with used games isn't helping their cause. Microsoft reps have either been dodging questions or giving vague/confusing answers. I hope they do a better job of explaining things at E3.

Still, I've committed to Wii U this generation and the One unveiling made me even more comfortable with that decision. Xbox always had the least amount of exclusives that appealed to me so they had to blow me away to garner interest from me. They did the opposite. The extra hurdles just reinforced that I didn't really want or need a One. To be fair, I wasn't impressed by the PS4 unveiling either. Both Sony and Microsoft are headed down a path I'm not crazy about. Despite the rough patch since launch, Nintendo's roadmap is still closest to what I want from a home console.
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 05, 2013, 11:02:55 PM
Don't get me wrong, based on the confusing statements about online and Kinect (they keep contradicting themselves), I have no intention of buying a Xbox One. It's a shame because I love the Xbox 360, but I don't want to have to check in online every day (I don't care about Kinect being required, though it sucks).
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: shingi_70 on June 06, 2013, 10:43:22 AM
Like I said Sony has me leaning toward them but E3 is only days away and bit can go either way. Microsoft does have am standee of having me in their ecosystem
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: shingi_70 on June 06, 2013, 01:10:05 PM
The digital copy of the new issue of Gameinformer is out leaking One of the big Microsoft exclusives. Titanfall from respawn (Guys who did call of duty up until MW2)
(http://i.imgur.com/bXp238Z.jpg)
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- Xbox One, PC
 - Xbox 360 version developed by someone else
 - Planned to target current gen, but realized that they couldn't run it
 - Started to look into next gen and the answer they got from Microsoft intrigued them
 - They said they needed to focus on fewer hardware. In the future they are open to more. They don't specify if it would be this project or another.
 - Plan to use Microsoft's Cloud for dedicated servers and physics and AI calculations
 - Campaign Multiplayer, "traditional" multiplayer mode, and a "One-Player Mode".
 - Spring 2014 Release Date
 - There are a good amount of screens. In my opinion it visually looks pretty nice.
 - First person shooter
 - "Mech" and ground combat
 - "Mech's" are called Titans.
 - They want these Titans to feel fast. They can dodge etc.
 - If you don't want to pilot the Titan you can have it follow you, killing people as it goes along.
 - Player characters are called Pilots (male and female)
 - They are extremely agile. Can run on walls, multiple jumps.
 - They can take down Titans. Jumping on them and shooting the "brain".
 - You need to be cunning as a pilot. "Hit and fade" tactics is the term the game director uses.
 - Pilots come equipped with a variety of weapons. Pistol, Assault Rifle, Anti-Titan Rocket Launcher, data knife used to hack AI characters into joining you.
 - There are AI enemies on the maps.
 - You survive longer than in COD. Making it more welcoming to newcomers.
 - Source Engine. Building new engine = too much time.
 - Source gives them 60 fps
 - Modified Source - "Rewriting major portions of it".
 - Article talks about the process of forming the team, being fired, prototyping ideas etc. I recommend reading it.
 - Going for a District 9 or Blade Runner vibe.
 - Integrate memorable single player moments into a multiplayer game.
 - Storytelling style will be more Left 4 Dead.
 - Humans segregated between Earth and frontier planets. Corporation trying to take the resources of these frontier people.
 - Progression system. No details yet

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MORE STUFF

A lot of the article has to do with Respawn's origins, actually.

 So here's the exclusivity mention: They thought working on PS4, Xbox One and PC would prove too difficult for a small team, so they decided to focus on one console instead of two. (er...). "Not to say we won't [go multiplatform] in the future, but for our first game we wanted to focus on making the best game we could."

 GI points how that the Xbox One has 5GB of GDDR3 ram available to devs, whereas PS4 has 8GB DDR5 ram, and asks if that's a problem for Respawn. He says they're having trouble even using the 5GB efficiently with all the new architecture tricks. (that is to say, even if they had 8GB they wouldn't know how to use it properly at this stage of development)

 GI: "What XBox One lacks in RAM, it potentially makes up for in cloud computing." Talks about how the game will have unlimited dedicated servers for the game, offloading "a few dozen AI" and physics, says the game would be impossible without the cloud and wouldn't have attempted it. Still dealing with unfinished hardware and software, so it's "still a little rough going at times."
^pretty sure the above is incorrect as the PS4 uses 1-2GB for OS irrc.
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From the article about Titanfall:

 "Thanks to the more open maps, healthy mix of enemy AI and real players, and the ultra-powerful titans, the gameplay loop in Titanfall is more accommodating to newcomers."

 "Seeing a match play out on three different player screens in a short demo after the the target gameplay video, the average time of life seems drastically increased over the average Call of Duty, Battlefield, or Halo match."

 Going to go dig for other gaming news before it gets yanked.

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Spoke too soon, there are screenshots towards the end of the article. Smartglass integration, "some level of" Kinect support, Campaign Multiplayer, Regular Multiplayer, and some one player mode that isn't revealed yet.

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From Titanfall article:

 "Hulking 24-foot tall mechs concentrate heavy fire on anything that moves while lithe soldiers zip across the map with a swiftness normally reserved for superheroes"

 "Legions of AI soldiers pour in and out of buildings on a large-scale battlefield as dropships deliver reinforcements from above"

 Weapons of soldiers can vaporize multiple targets at once, but the mechs can repel shots back.

 Blurs line between competitive multiplayer and single player.

 "The titans move at the speed of a regular soldier in many first person shooters and feature an array of heavy firepower that make them formidable adversaries in open space"

 Titans best offense is good defense.

 Titans can be player controlled or can be commanded to guard an area or follow you around.

 
Also it seems Rare has reserved pages on it website for Battletoads, Banjo and Kazooie, and Killer Instinct
 
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: Soren on June 06, 2013, 06:18:36 PM
Microsoft has confirmed that you will need to connect to the internet every 24 hours in order to play games offline. Also:

- No renting, no loaning. No private sales
 - Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers. (This is the worst IMO.)
 - You can give a game to a friend only if they have been on your friends list for 30 days, and then it is stuck with them.
 - Up to 10 family members can play your games from any console at any time

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main

So yeah. Screw getting an Xbone.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 06, 2013, 06:25:51 PM
Yep the deets are in.
Connected
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Xbox One will deliver new benefits for gamers that are only possible with a system designed from the ground up to be ready and connected.  Here are just a few examples:[/size] [/color][/size]A new generation of games with power from the cloud: Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection, developers can create massive, persistent worlds that evolve even when you’re not playing. [/q]
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  • Your Xbox One is always ready: Xbox One is designed to run in a low-powered, connected state. This means your system, games and apps are always current and ready to play—no more waiting for updates.
  • Stay connected to your friends: Never miss an opportunity to play games with your friends or to catch up with family on Skype. Use Skype in Snap mode to chat while you play games or watch TV.  Or enjoy group video Skype calls with people around the world, all from the comfort of your living room.
  • Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud.  So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.
  • Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release.
  • Networking TechnologiesA range of advanced technologies will make these scenarios possible, including: Superior wireless performance and coverage throughout the home: Xbox One is equipped with a gigabit Ethernet port and 802.11n wireless. With 802.11n, Xbox One can use the 5GHz wireless band which eliminates considerable interference from other devices in the home, such as cordless phones, Bluetooth devices and microwaves.  Xbox One uses two wireless antennas, versus one in Xbox 360. This provides dramatically better coverage and sustained performance, which means faster internet speeds in more areas of your home.
  • Faster connection to a world of smart devices: With Wi-Fi Direct, Xbox One can speak directly to smart wireless devices and connect to them through the cloud. This means your smartphone or tablet will interact with Xbox One seamlessly.
  • Future proofed with power from the cloud: Microsoft has created a global network of more than 300,000 Xbox Live and Windows Azure servers, to help creators realize their visions of what is possible with a connected system. 
  • Networking RequirementsTo ensure Xbox One works optimally and can offer the experiences described above, it is designed with the following networking requirements: For an optimal experience, we recommend a broadband connection of 1.5Mbps. (For reference, the average global internet connection speed as measured recently by Akamai was 2.9 Mbps).  In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband.
  • While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection.
  • With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.  [/l]License [/size][/font][/color]
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    With our modern architecture, Xbox One games will load more quickly, will be always accessible from the cloud, and there is no physical limit to the size or scope of the content provided. Here are our platform policies and capabilities for game licensing – all of which will be made available when Xbox One launches later this year:Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly.[/q]
    [/font][/color]
    • Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud.  So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.
    • Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games.  Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.
    • Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games.  You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.
    • Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers.  Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
    • Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
    • In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers.  Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons.  We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons.In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies.[/l]Privacy [/size][/font][/color]
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      Xbox One and Kinect offer easy and approachable ways to control your games and entertainment with your voice and gestures. By recognizing you, Xbox One can tailor personal experiences and customize content just for you. At Microsoft, we prioritize your privacy. We understand that your personal data and privacy are important. Xbox One and Kinect will provide tools to put you in control of your data.  These include:You are in control of what Kinect can see and hear: By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used. When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded. [/q]
      [/font][/color]
      • You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.
      • You are in control of your personal data: You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission. Here are a few examples of potential future scenarios:A fitness game could measure heart rate data to provide you with improved feedback on your workout, allow you to track your progress, or even measure calories burned.
      • A card game could allow you to bluff your virtual opponent using your facial expressions.
      You can use other inputs to control your games, TV and entertainment experiences: While it’s faster to find what you’re looking for using your voice and gesture commands with Kinect, you can use a controller, your remote controls or your smart devices instead. And you can use all of these devices when Kinect is paused.
      • We’ll have more information available as we get closer to product availability later this year.[/l]Welp **** that noise. the same the Wii U will be my nintendo box, looks like the Xbone will be my Microsoft box.[/font][/color]
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: shingi_70 on June 06, 2013, 06:36:09 PM
Reading it over it sounds better than what I expected. Still on the fence though. I mean I personally the only real deal breaker is a fucking time limit to play software offline.


I really like the idea of a retail purchase also counting as a digital purchase. Still this means i'll be getting a PS4 and pushing it on family members. I mean I have a cousin who doesn't even own internet but likes to borrow my games and what not.
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Post by: alegoicoe on June 06, 2013, 07:06:45 PM
a system that has total control of your gaming habits and records you all the time, huumm, sounds alot like a product microsoft would make.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 06, 2013, 07:16:06 PM
I get the feeling that trade-ins at a retailer are the main reason for the 24-hour check-in.  If you trade your game, the system needs a way to determine that you are no longer supposed to be able to access it.  I wonder if this means you can take your console offline for, trade your game in, and then come back and still have access to the game for a while until you need to reconnect.  Essentially, this whole thing could be avoided by going 100% digital, but MS still wants that retail presence.

Honestly, I'm a bit surprised by how well the internet seems to be taking this.  The only good to come from this announcement is the shared library amongst family.  Everything else is exactly what we've been expecting.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 06, 2013, 07:25:58 PM
can a family with multiple accounts share an xbox live subscription at all?

because you cant on the 360
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Post by: MagicCow64 on June 06, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
can a family with multiple accounts share an xbox live subscription at all?

I don't see how anybody would be down with this. Complicated, draconian, anti-consumer garbage. I'm assuming Sony will hew pretty close in a lot of the particulars. Does that mean retailers would have to set up completely separate cloud systems to track licenses on different consoles?
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Post by: magicpixie on June 06, 2013, 07:35:27 PM
Lulz

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With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.


"Hey guys, when the internet is down, you can still watch TV!!!"

Truly, the future is now.

  I doubt the retailers have to set anything up which is the reason for the partnership with MS.  MS sets everything up, sells access to the system to "select" partners, and everything is go.  The same would apply to Sony since they would be in control of user accounts.  It would just be integrated into that system.

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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 06, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Wow, having to connect at least once every 24 hours? I love the Xbox 360, but this requirement is honestly enough to convince me not to get a Xbox One.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 06, 2013, 08:25:59 PM
i have negative 9468 precent interest in the Xbox One...
even with all those rumors on used games i didn't except them to break -1000
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Post by: Traveller on June 06, 2013, 08:38:49 PM
Yeah.. absolutely terrible. No one should defend this.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 06, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
is paying for xbox live going to be mandatory? oh snap that is terrible
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Post by: magicpixie on June 06, 2013, 08:53:26 PM
I've been wondering that for a while.  With all this talk of the infinite power of the cloud, there is a very real possibility that Xbox Live subscriptions could be mandatory.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 06, 2013, 09:05:18 PM
im gonna need a bigger thing of popcorn...
(http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/colbert-popcorn.gif)
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Post by: magicpixie on June 06, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
It's gonna be great to finally get some real clarification on stuff in the media 1-on-1s after the E3 conference.  Oh, wait...
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 06, 2013, 09:29:29 PM
It's gonna be great to finally get some real clarification on stuff when the system actually launches and everybody brings out the torches and pitchforks
fixed :D
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Post by: azeke on June 06, 2013, 09:41:18 PM
a system that has total control of your gaming habits and records you all the time, huumm, sounds alot like a product microsoft would make.
Pfffff, Redmond just photocopied it from Valve.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 06, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
outdated but...
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f3dce3cfe99372fee98dd1e625d20e24/tumblr_mn6jx0tQAI1rn5jq3o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox720 - that's 2 full revolutions - not till 2014? ~News/Rumor/Speculation~
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 06, 2013, 10:17:48 PM
Microsoft has confirmed that you will need to connect to the internet every 24 hours in order to play games offline. Also:

- No renting, no loaning. No private sales
 - Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers. (This is the worst IMO.)
 - You can give a game to a friend only if they have been on your friends list for 30 days, and then it is stuck with them.
 - Up to 10 family members can play your games from any console at any time

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main

So yeah. Screw getting an Xbone.

Actually, I think the 10 people is quite generous...since they are locking people out.  That means, you and your friends can pull together and buy games to share together in a local club.  Also, I like the idea of giving games to friends, specially if it extends to digital copies.  that is also pretty generous.  As long as that friend then is allowed to give a game to a friend as well.  I can see communities forming to share games with each other.  Yeah, the same could happen before and had no limits...but IF you are able to do it digitally that is an interesting can of worms opened up.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 06, 2013, 10:37:25 PM
except I doubt that family members can be registered as friends...
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Post by: ejamer on June 06, 2013, 10:45:58 PM
I didn't want a XBone before. I don't want one now. World keeps turning, nobody cares.


It will be interesting to see how (if?) the marketplace reacts to the limitations placed on this console, though.
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Post by: TrueNerd on June 07, 2013, 12:37:19 AM
Lololololololololololololololololololololololololololz

To reiterate, I'm never buying this.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 07, 2013, 12:44:35 AM
And people were saying that Nintendo would be the one to go third party this gen.
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Post by: Soren on June 07, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
And people were saying that Nintendo would be the one to go third party this gen.

The more I think about it, the more I feel third party support for Wii U is so horrible right now has more to do with the fact that Wii U doesn't let publishers set up these draconian anti-used game shenanigans. Forget the whole EA Origin deal, this was the real deal breaker for third parties.

The Wii U can do the same things Ps4/xbone can. Except it's not considered "next Gen" because it won't let publishers set controls on used games. I fully expect Sony to follow Microsoft's lead here. There's no way they're taking the brunt of this onslaught alone.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 07, 2013, 01:51:15 AM
Reading it over it sounds better than what I expected. Still on the fence though. I mean I personally the only real deal breaker is a fucking time limit to play software offline.


I really like the idea of a retail purchase also counting as a digital purchase. Still this means i'll be getting a PS4 and pushing it on family members. I mean I have a cousin who doesn't even own internet but likes to borrow my games and what not.

Shingi, we need you to buy an Xbox One at launch. We need somebody to experience this system and be the counter argument for Microsoft.

BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 07, 2013, 02:05:27 AM
Soren:  I don't think that has anything to do with it really.  I think publishers take a wait and see approach to Nintendo.  Smart publishers like Ubisoft see the lack of 3rd party support as an opportunity to make lots of money on an void of support.  People will buy anything just to have something new to play.  Other developers just won't attempt to design anything unless it is bleeding cutting edge because they are compensating for the lack of something. 

I think there are other 3rd party developers that actually assess the market of a Nintendo console and decide if there games would sell on it and then decide to develop or not.  These 3rd party developers are doing it right...even if they should probably take more risks occasionally.

I am curious to see if PS4 has any of these strange setups or if it is only Microsoft.  I will be even more curious if the market truly rejects these practices....personally I think they won't.  I think these next consoles will sell and be widely successful despite these horrible business practices. 
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 07, 2013, 03:14:53 AM
Microsoft cancelling 1 on 1 interviews at E3.

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/15240/article/microsoft-cancelling-one-on-one-interviews-with-xbox-executives-at-e3/

I don't recall ever seeing a company do so much damage to themselves in such a small time as I have with this whole debacle. 
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Post by: ymeegod on June 07, 2013, 04:45:23 AM
"ONLINE CHECK-IN:

Microsoft has offically confirmed that the Xbox One will require online check-in every 24 hours, you can play offline for up to 24 hours. However if you play games on another Xbox One console, such as your friend or family's console, Xbox One will require check-in with an active Internet connection every hour. Microsoft said "offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV, Blu-ray and DVD movies on the console."

GAME LICENSING:

You can access your entire game library from any Xbox One console as long as you are signed into your account. Up to 10 family members can access your game library.

CLOUD TECHNOLOGY:

Microsoft also mentioned that for Xbox One games that make use of the cloud technology may require a constant Internet connection, offline play is not possible. Microsoft recommends a broadband connection of 1.5Mbps for use with the Xbox One.

KINECT AND PRIVACY:

Xbox One will allow users to toggle whether they want to automatically sign in and customize the privacy settings. Players can pause the Kinect while playing games or viewing live TV. The Xbox One can be turned off by saying "Xbox Off" and turned on by saying "Xbox On", so Kinect will still be running in the background when the console is turned off. Some apps and games may require Kinect to operate so you will need to turn it back on for these experiences.

One example of Kinect collecting user personal detail would be a Kinect fitness program tracking your heart rate and calories consumption; another example would be playing a card game, you can use facial expressions to fool the opponents. Microsoft said that this data will not leave your Xbox One without your permission.

CONTROLLER:

The Xbox One controller will support both wired and wireless connection, when a micro USB cable is connected to the controller, the wireless functions will switch off automatically. It will have infrared sensors and LEDs for the Kinect to sense the controller.

USED GAMES:

Microsoft confirmed that the availability of pre-owned Xbox One games will be decided by individual publishers, whether the game can be traded or resold without paying a fee. Microsoft said they do not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers or consumers.

Provided the individual publisher approves, disc-based Xbox One games can be traded between friends, but only once per game. No fees is required for trading titles between friends. However your friend must be a friend in your Xbox Live account for at least 30 days before you can make a trade.

GAME RENTAL:

Microsoft says that there will be no option to loan or rent software at the launch of the Xbox One, but that it is "exploring the possibilities with our partners."

DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION:

All Xbox One games will be available digitally and in stores on the day of release.

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Kinda bummed about the whole rental thing.  MS doesn't have a plan in motion but why don't they just copy a page from Sony and give timed-rentals, like an 72 hour pass or something. 

You can still play your games on your friends system though but you'll have to login with your gametag.  It's better than having it locked to one system though there's still plenty of people that this would effect, me included, since my nephew CAN'T get internet where he lives (yes there's still "dead" zones in the USA).


"
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Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2013, 07:51:14 AM
Ken = Microsoft, Ryu = consumers
(http://i.imgur.com/gYWT4cw.jpg)
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Post by: Shaymin on June 07, 2013, 07:59:38 AM
Dear Microsoft:


Regards,
Shaymin
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 07, 2013, 10:04:21 AM
@ymeegod "why on earth would you live there" :rolleyes:
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Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2013, 10:43:33 AM
I tried applying that Adam Orth quote to anything I wrote here and I don't get it. I think you mean @ymeegod due to his nephew living in a "dead zone."
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 07, 2013, 12:09:38 PM
the general reaction to the xbox one
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Post by: Drizzt on June 07, 2013, 01:00:05 PM
Won't the cost of live go up since it's essentially mandatory now?
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Post by: azeke on June 07, 2013, 02:29:25 PM
Oh, hi shingi (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1fv5yj/i_saw_microsoft_employees_monitoring_this/)!..
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 07, 2013, 02:44:46 PM
Won't the cost of live go up since it's essentially mandatory now?

Why? I haven't seen anything saying you need Xbox Live Gold to do it. There is already the free Xbox Live Silver, which I imagine would be enough for the verification.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 07, 2013, 03:21:13 PM
Oh, hi shingi (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1fv5yj/i_saw_microsoft_employees_monitoring_this/)!..

Are you you insisting that I may be in league with lord ballmer.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 07, 2013, 04:28:09 PM
Won't the cost of live go up since it's essentially mandatory now?

Why? I haven't seen anything saying you need Xbox Live Gold to do it. There is already the free Xbox Live Silver, which I imagine would be enough for the verification.

My only reason to believe that this MAY be a possibility is all the talk about the power of the cloud.  If any significant amount of singleplayer games uses this feature(offloading AI, lighting, persistent world data...), it can be assumed that it won't be a free feature.  And walling off features in singleplayer games would hopefully be unpalatable even to MS.

Personally, I'm hating on this announcement.  And I'm having a difficult time understanding my initial reactions since I really love PC gaming w/ Steam.  Do Steam sales really offset the loss of "ownership" of the digital product?  Did their assertion that even if Steam were to, for whatever reason, have to shutdown that they would find a way to enable us to continue playing their games in perpetuity really assuage all fears of losing access to our purchases in the future?  Is MS really just that evil?

I think a big part of it might be the fact that I see this as MS just making a closed PC-like system with none of the benefits of a PC.  No customization, no choice of OS, probably locked into MS approved peripherals, no mod support, etc...  I would like to know in advance how many of their "exclusives" will end up on PC.  I know that in the past few weeks, Alan Wake's been trumped up as one of the best Xbox exclusives, but that ended up on PC as well. 
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Post by: ymeegod on June 07, 2013, 06:41:30 PM
My nephew's 8 so he really doesn't have a choice where he lives does he :0.  Also have a few friends that live overseas and they "can" get broadband but it costs loads--like $250 a month for freaking dsl. 

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Post by: magicpixie on June 07, 2013, 10:44:29 PM
I was listening to 8-4 Play today and they had a bonus segment tacked on about the announcement.  They seemed to take great offense to the language about publishers "enabling" us to do the things we've always been able to do in the past.  I'm curious as to whether MS could have softened the blow on this announcement any if they had been able to craft their press release a bit better.

And for those of us that are not planning to purchase a One, are there ANY games by ANY dev that would sway your mind?  If MS comes out at E3 and really knocks it out, would you be willing to change your mind?  And for those who are purchasing, is this still a launch day buy?  Or do you wait a little while in the hopes that the blowback is so strong that MS possibly walks back some of their decisions?  For that matter, what if Sony comes out and announces similar measures?

E3 was already set up to be really interesting this year, and it just got a whole lot of drama piled up on top.
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Post by: Do_What on June 08, 2013, 07:51:25 AM
There is quite literally nothing they can do to get me to buy an xbox one before the autumn of 2015. By then the market of used games should have settled out and the digital market should be settled as well. If launch titles are still $30 and $40 on their store in 2015 and a lot of titles aren't playable used then I know this isn't a console for me.
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Post by: ymeegod on June 08, 2013, 08:10:59 AM
Yeah, I'm going wait and see about Xbox One.  Really depends on Sony and what they have plan for the PS4.  But I can wait for Xbox One to dropped into the bargin bin if I really needed to play some of it's exclusives.

 
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 08, 2013, 08:17:43 AM
I was listening to 8-4 Play today and they had a bonus segment tacked on about the announcement.  They seemed to take great offense to the language about publishers "enabling" us to do the things we've always been able to do in the past.  I'm curious as to whether MS could have softened the blow on this announcement any if they had been able to craft their press release a bit better.

And for those of us that are not planning to purchase a One, are there ANY games by ANY dev that would sway your mind?  If MS comes out at E3 and really knocks it out, would you be willing to change your mind?  And for those who are purchasing, is this still a launch day buy?  Or do you wait a little while in the hopes that the blowback is so strong that MS possibly walks back some of their decisions?  For that matter, what if Sony comes out and announces similar measures?

E3 was already set up to be really interesting this year, and it just got a whole lot of drama piled up on top.


They already softened the blow. While i'm seeing negative press almost everywhere, the general theme I get when I talk to people are saying microsoft allows used games and its just like the 360 only better. Also expect gamestop employees to evangelize this thing to hell.


i'll buy it regardless for the exclusives at some point but as it is my buting habits will be.


PS4 >Wii U> Xbox One
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 10, 2013, 05:58:33 PM
So apparently the Australian launch price for XBox One is $599.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/06/we-have-an-australian-price-for-the-xbox-one/

I am genuinely surprised by this.  I was expecting at least $700.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 10, 2013, 07:17:42 PM
I don't know how to feel about MS right now.  On the one hand, they've really bungled up this launch so far.  On the other hand, they just can't stop eating crackers:
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1751/13245965420307713053.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/13245965420307713053.png/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 10, 2013, 07:31:34 PM
So true.
UI screenshots
(http://i.imgur.com/G7meRFk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rUipEGo.jpg)
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Post by: Soren on June 10, 2013, 07:39:25 PM
But guys! If you don't but the Xbone day 1 you won't get that controller with the little brand at the center. Oh and the exclusive achievement!
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Post by: magicpixie on June 10, 2013, 07:41:27 PM
But guys! If you don't but the Xbone day 1 you won't get that controller with the little brand at the center. Oh and the exclusive achievement!

PREORDERED!!!!
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 10, 2013, 08:06:15 PM
That day one stuff looks terrible on the controller.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on June 10, 2013, 08:46:29 PM
I'm surprised.  I'm been wandering around various forums and the xbox 1 vibe doesn't seem to be that negative.  To me, I think this is a horrible trend and I have no desire to pick it up.  Especially at the prices they are asking.  I somewhat accept Steam and tablet game prices because you can get lots of games <$10.  $500 for the ability to buy $60 games that you don't own?  I never pay $60 now for games.  Literally Rock Bank Special Edition was the only game I paid >$50 this gen. 


I'm curious about the fees.  Initially it was the used fee will be the same as buying it new.  Now it seems they've dropped off that point.  But you can expect the overshipment and <$20 prices within 6 months to stop.  I just don't see how this benefits the industry.  Are people really going to spend more on games?  I have a set amount I spend on games and I try to maximize my enjoyment out of that.  If I spend $60/game, my budget would be like 3 games a year.  I'm not not paying $500 to play 3 games a year.  And consumers will really think twice about buying any game that doesn't get 9.5 on all the major review sites.  So expect the trend of sequels and copycats to get worse.


I really hope Nintendo doesn't go this route next gen.  The Wii U may be the last console I own if they tread this path.  If the Xbox 360 for $99 rumor comes true, I'd have to pick up a 360 though.  As a PS3/Wii owner, I think I could find enough $10 360 games to make $99 a go. 
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Post by: Mannypon on June 10, 2013, 08:49:07 PM
Something I find hilarious and par for the course is how Nintendo was ridiculed for confusing consumers by naming their new system the WiiU and making it look like the Wii but slightly bigger yet no sh*t fits have been started yet (as far as I know) over MS's decision to rebrand their 360 with a slim look similar to the Xbone.  So MS did a Nintendo in reverse.  They created a confusing name similar to their previous system yet instead of making the new system look like the old one, they go and make the old one look like the new one lol.  Am I the only one seeing this? lol
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Post by: noname2200 on June 10, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
I recall that point being brought up now and again.
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Post by: ejamer on June 10, 2013, 11:27:00 PM
I'm also a little bit surprised at how positive the reaction has been to the XBox One given how anti-consumer some of Microsoft's policies seem.  Maybe gamers don't care as long as software keeps rolling in... but there is no way that I would buy anything where the company (or a group of motivated hackers) could simply turn off servers at any time and turn my entire purchase (both systems and games) into a brick. The prices in play are simply too high for me to accept that my content is being "rented".
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Post by: Mannypon on June 10, 2013, 11:31:45 PM
I don't see how MS can do well this gen unless consumers are so blind as to not see better products when presented with them.  The ONLY way I see MS hanging in there is if they backpedal from a lot of their stances and do a pricedrop on the Xbone (imagine that, a pricedrop before it has even launched lol).  I can't really see them doing either though, they'll just keep throwing money at it to help it survive. 
 
Had the xbox been created by any other company besides MS, it would've been dead a long time ago simply by the fact that they can let the money burn red for years on end it seems. 
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Post by: EasyCure on June 10, 2013, 11:36:17 PM
I don't see how MS can do well this gen unless consumers are so blind as to not see better products when presented with them.  The ONLY way I see MS hanging in there is if they backpedal from a lot of their stances and do a pricedrop on the Xbone (imagine that, a pricedrop before it has even launched lol).  I can't really see them doing either though, they'll just keep throwing money at it to help it survive. 
 
Had the xbox been created by any other company besides MS, it would've been dead a long time ago simply by the fact that they can let the money burn red for years on end it seems. 

Oh it will have some sales; don't count out bratty over-privileged kids who DEMAND their xbox because of their affinity for Halo or whatever other exclusives the xbox brand has, or just completely uninformed people. After the reveal last month I spoke to a friend about it over FB who was RAVING about it but seemed to not realize any of the negative. The conversation kept leading back to "well I'm still getting it, I love my xbox"
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Post by: Shaymin on June 10, 2013, 11:37:37 PM
Microsoft's usual rule is if it doesn't have massive acceptance by the 3rd version, it's toast. Windows and Office made it past V3, things like WebTV and Zune didn't.

This may be a Zune situation for Microsoft. They've cheesed off all of Europe with over-PS3 launch pricing, and North America has a competing box $100 cheaper.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 11, 2013, 02:00:47 AM
It makes me wonder how Microsoft must be feeling right now. 

I wonder if they can see past their arrogance and actually see that they got destroyed, or if they are stuck in the mindset of we are too awesome and our stuff will sell anyway?
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Post by: oohhboy on June 11, 2013, 08:02:25 AM
Considering it took Sony half a generation(promotions and firing and demotions) before they made a turn around and a year plus of constant complaints about Windows 8 to even consider putting the start button back in(Where all it does is launch metro), A turn around in policy or even a general softening in attitude isn't happening anytime soon.

No wonder Nintendo had rejected EA's partnership if this was what they were offering.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 11, 2013, 10:00:30 PM
LOL

For some reason, MS execs just can't seem to STFU.

In an interview with Don Mattrick before the conferences, he said:
Quote
"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called xbox 360"

In other words, #dealwithit

Added link to streaming video: http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/silmon/xbox-one-e3-2013--the-xbox-one-strategy--stream- (http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/silmon/xbox-one-e3-2013--the-xbox-one-strategy--stream-)
He says it at about 1:49
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Post by: oohhboy on June 12, 2013, 12:07:26 AM
#Fuckyougotmine.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 12, 2013, 12:13:57 AM
Was it already mentioned here that this console was designed for Microsoft employees? Sure as hell feels like it.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 12, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
Xbone-live launch isn't worldwide.  From Xbox.com:

Quote
Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live Countries
  • Australia
  • Austria
  • Belgium
  • Brazil
  • Canada
  • Denmark
  • Finland
  • France
  • Germany
  • Ireland
  • Italy
  • Mexico
  • Netherlands
  • New Zealand
  • Norway
  • Russia
  • Spain
  • Sweden
  • Switzerland
  • United Kingdom
  • United States
Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions.


Notice any major gaming markets missing from that list(hint: starts with a J, ends with APAN)?  Does the mention about activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions indicate region locking?  Could a limited launch indicate issues with MS's supply chain?  For that matter, are Sony launching worldwide?
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Post by: Ceric on June 12, 2013, 05:21:35 PM
I think its an indication of Microsoft not going into markets they made no money on both their other consoles.
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Post by: broodwars on June 12, 2013, 05:42:09 PM
I think its an indication of Microsoft not going into markets they made no money on both their other consoles.

Yeah, I have to agree with that sentiment. I've already said that there's no reason Microsoft should throw away money on Japan. A whopping 1 game (Tales of Vesperia) got them to buy a paltry number of 360s, and Microsoft burned a ton of money trying to get games on the 360 that the Japanese would actually buy.  If Microsoft's going to try to buy and con their way into making the Xbone not an apocalyptic failure, they might as well cut their losses from the start and not waste their resources on countries that will never support them.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 12, 2013, 06:42:50 PM
Well they have a Japan Studio so i would assume that the system would launch their as well.


Man I'm really hoping the negative respones makes them backtrack like crazy. The new KI looks so damn awesome.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 12, 2013, 06:54:10 PM
Well they have a Japan Studio so i would assume that the system would launch their as well.


Man I'm really hoping the negative respones makes them backtrack like crazy. The new KI looks so damn awesome.

Is there a pricing model for that yet?
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 12, 2013, 07:12:10 PM
Well they have a Japan Studio so i would assume that the system would launch their as well.


Man I'm really hoping the negative respones makes them backtrack like crazy. The new KI looks so damn awesome.

Is there a pricing model for that yet?


KI?


There's going to be a demo that ony comes with Jango and has a free to play aspect.
A full game which I think may be download only.
A limited edition fightstick bundle.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 12, 2013, 07:22:11 PM
Yeah, I'm wondering how much they'll charge for each character.  Marvel Heroes is $250 for all DLC characters, which I think is pretty ridiculous.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 12, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
Notice any major gaming markets missing from that list(hint: starts with a J, ends with APAN)?  Does the mention about activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions indicate region locking?  Could a limited launch indicate issues with MS's supply chain?  For that matter, are Sony launching worldwide?

This is a level of region-locking that would make anime studios jealous. The system is basically a 500euro BluRay player if it's taken to another country because the pinging is only available for IP addresses in countries where the system is originally released.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 15, 2013, 12:07:20 AM
Pardon the double post, but Microsoft managed to reload.

(http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.jpg)
So basically, I'm going to report you all for existing on Xbone and you'll lose all your games.
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Post by: broodwars on June 15, 2013, 12:26:04 AM
And with that, Microsoft has driven the final nail into the Xbone's coffin. That's an impressive amount of work in such a short period of time. And considering Microsoft can ban you for anything from soft-modding your console to having your account stolen, I'm sure nothing will EVER go wrong because of this.

I can't wait for Microsoft's response tomorrow:

"We have a device for people who have had their accounts banned on Xbox Live. It's Called Xbox 360." - Don Mattrick, tomorrow.
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Post by: Adrock on June 15, 2013, 08:24:01 AM
Wait, THAT was the final nail? I thought they already hammered through the coffin and was just bashing the cadaver...
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 15, 2013, 01:00:28 PM
Wait, THAT was the final nail? I thought they already hammered through the coffin and was just bashing the cadaver...
they nailed the final nail on the coffin containing the coffin containing the xbone
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 15, 2013, 01:02:14 PM
Pardon the double post, but Microsoft managed to reload.

(http://i.imgur.com/fWpJY1n.jpg)
So basically, I'm going to report you all for existing on Xbone and you'll lose all your games.
i am somehow tempted to get one just to get a bunch of 6 year olds on call of duty banned and start some riots
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Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2013, 07:41:53 PM
Not to troll this thread, but unless Microsoft recants all of their rules for the Xbox One then there is no way in Hell I will ever own one.
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Post by: broodwars on June 15, 2013, 08:08:34 PM
Not to troll this thread, but unless Microsoft recants all of their rules for the Xbox One then there is no way in Hell I will ever own one.

"We have a system for people who think there's no way in hell they'll buy an Xbox One. It's called an Xbox 360."
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 16, 2013, 08:38:22 AM
Get banned from XBL with XBone, lose all of your games that you paid for (http://www.maxconsole.com/news/XBOX%20360/Xbox-Support-confirms-if-you-Banned--You-lose-all-your-Games--RKSID00000000000000001007.html#). This seems like it should actually be illegal, this is theft on Microsoft's behalf.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 16, 2013, 08:45:28 AM
I'm sure it's in the EULA.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 16, 2013, 03:04:47 PM
It probably will be, but it's still a ridiculous policy. That's part of the absurdity of having to be online all the time. There's no reason to ever buy a disc with this system.

I'm not sure what will lead to console bans with this system (assuming they finally get anti-piracy protection done right), but if people start getting banned by the hundreds of thousands like they did with Xbox 360, and losing all of the content that they actually paid for, then I see this leading to a huge class-action lawsuit that Microsoft will lose.
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Post by: UncleBob on June 16, 2013, 03:15:59 PM
Amazon does the same thing with their digital storefront.  And there's some pretty hard core stories out there about Amazon shutting down the accounts of family members and such that aren't even in the same state as the person who's account got banned.

If there's been a successful lawsuit against Amazon yet, I haven't heard of it.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 16, 2013, 03:49:15 PM
That's shitty too, but Joe Shmoe probably doesn't realize that when they buy a disc at the store that they could have that content essentially stolen from them by Microsoft if their kid does something stupid with the console one day. I imagine with the Next Xbox you'll have to hop a plane to Redmond and play it in front of Steve Ballmer or you can't play it at all.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 16, 2013, 04:12:27 PM
It probably will be, but it's still a ridiculous policy. That's part of the absurdity of having to be online all the time. There's no reason to ever buy a disc with this system.

I'm not sure what will lead to console bans with this system (assuming they finally get anti-piracy protection done right), but if people start getting banned by the hundreds of thousands like they did with Xbox 360, and losing all of the content that they actually paid for, then I see this leading to a huge class-action lawsuit that Microsoft will lose.

I agree.  Oh wait, what's this?.  (http://www.gamespot.com/e3/xbox-one-terms-of-service-prevent-class-action-suits-6410038/)

Though, clauses like that aren't anything new, really.  And I'm not certain if they hold up in court.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 16, 2013, 04:42:41 PM
so are they going to require xbox live gold for the checkups

also... will live be tied to the console itself or will we still have to buy a separate subscription for each account?
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Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2013, 04:48:45 PM
Yeah, that can get the **** out of my face.
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Post by: UncleBob on June 16, 2013, 05:18:46 PM
That's shitty too, but Joe Shmoe probably doesn't realize that when they buy a disc at the store that they could have that content essentially stolen from them by Microsoft if their kid does something stupid with the console one day.

I don't disagree - and that's one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of digital delivery.  However, "I didn't realize I agreed to it" isn't something that holds up in court a lot.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 16, 2013, 07:41:06 PM
The problem is Microsoft believes in these policies...and not until they see that these measures actually will result in them losing potential buyers they will not change them. 

Essentially it is another test of the consumers.  Will consumers actually stand up against a company and refuse the product in mass numbers, or will consumers buckle once again to a company providing a product that is less than consumer friendly.

The unfortunate thing is, we don't know the numbers of how many buyers are going to refuse this product or just talk about refusing.  Nor do we know how many buyers Microsoft is willing to lose and keep this policy.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on June 16, 2013, 08:07:21 PM
In general, consumers seem to be poorly informed.  I could see xbox 1s initial sales not suffering because people don't understand that Microsoft is turning a disc into a license.  I think their will be a strong backlash when they go to sell the game, or look for its games in a used store, and find out that used discs are worthless. 
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 16, 2013, 10:46:57 PM
Considering you have to sign in every 24 hours to keep playing your game, I thought it would have been obvious that you lose your games if you get banned since you can no longer sign in. Besides, most people get banned from Xbox Live for modding their systems or being a total douche online.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 16, 2013, 10:48:57 PM
Considering you have to sign in every 24 hours to keep playing your game, I thought it would have been obvious that you lose your games if you get banned since you can no longer sign in. Besides, most people get banned from Xbox Live for modding their systems or being a total douche online.

If being a total douche got you banned from XBox Live, the service would not exist.


I really can't see myself buying this system, each time something new is revealed, it makes it seem even worse.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 16, 2013, 10:53:27 PM
People have to get reported enough. But my point is that almost everyone who gets banned from Xbox Live get banned for a legit reason and are the types to know better.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 16, 2013, 11:16:54 PM
Except the people who get hacked because Microsoft and EA have **** security and it apparently takes a month and a half to get the account in working order.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 16, 2013, 11:29:04 PM
so Tj,  what happens to my games when Microsoft shuts down all of the servers for online checkups...? :D
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Post by: nickmitch on June 16, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
Well, that's gonna be at least a few years down the line. MS seems to want to move everything to the cloud with a "future proof" platform. So, it would reason that the servers would run indefinitely.
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Post by: Stogi on June 16, 2013, 11:59:47 PM
Does anyone get the feeling that hackers are just going to devour this xbone?
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 17, 2013, 12:32:20 AM
ooh xbox live going down for over half a month would be amazing... I don't think I have enough popcorn for that
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 17, 2013, 03:24:33 AM
I could imagine an attack by hackers, just because of the anti-consumer policies of Microsoft...like a screw you MS. 

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Post by: ejamer on June 17, 2013, 08:30:06 AM

Tried to keep my tongue in check, but I sincerely hope XBone crashes and burns so that we don't see this type of ownership practice become the standard. This system represents everything I don't want in a gaming console, neatly wrapped up in one ugly little box.


That said, 360 had abysmal failure rates but people didn't care. They would just double down (or triple, or quad, or...) and keep playing.  Somehow I doubt things will be different this time around - especially if it sells well initially and gets third party support.  "Madden and my buddies? What other console comes close to touching that?!"


Also agree that XBone seems like a great target for hackers. Anti-consumer policies. Opportunity to cause massive grief with something as "small" as a weekend server outage. Surely MS knows that and is prepared... but if not, things could get ugly really fast.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 17, 2013, 12:53:14 PM
I don't support illegal things like hacking Xbox Live, especially as all that does is hurt other consumers. If you don't like practices Microsoft is doing, just don't buy the Xbox One and encourage others to do the same. Doing stuff like hacking Xbox Live is just saying you are a douche and want other consumers to suffer.
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Post by: ejamer on June 17, 2013, 01:31:01 PM
I don't support illegal things like hacking Xbox Live, especially as all that does is hurt other consumers. If you don't like practices Microsoft is doing, just don't buy the Xbox One and encourage others to do the same. Doing stuff like hacking Xbox Live is just saying you are a douche and want other consumers to suffer.


Who is supporting or encouraging hackers?


Saying that the XBone console looks like a bright red bulls-eye for attracting a certain class of hackers isn't the same as supporting anyone who is actually doing the hacking. If anything, it's just stating the obvious.


The existence of people who cause grief to others just because they can isn't nothing new or unusual - especially when it comes to games and online services. Just because something is selfish or hurtful doesn't mean it's not a common occurrence... which is exactly why the possible effects of hacking are worth talking about when considering the merits and faults of XBone.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 17, 2013, 01:35:01 PM
I don't support illegal things like hacking Xbox Live, especially as all that does is hurt other consumers. If you don't like practices Microsoft is doing, just don't buy the Xbox One and encourage others to do the same. Doing stuff like hacking Xbox Live is just saying you are a douche and want other consumers to suffer.


Who is supporting or encouraging hackers?

Pokepal's comment makes it clear he would love for hackers to take down Xbox Live.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 17, 2013, 05:07:20 PM
PS4 sold out on Amazon,  (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2013/06/15/sony-playstation-4-launch-edition-already-sold-out-at-amazon/) (possibly Call of Duty Ghosts) developer says that PS4 games will look noticeably better than their Xbox One counterparts from day one, PS4 is 40% more powerful than Xbox One. Amazon insider says PS4 is outselling Xbox One by 2:1...
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Post by: Ceric on June 17, 2013, 05:21:50 PM
Only 2 to 1.  Wow, all those informal polls are really off.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 17, 2013, 05:36:02 PM
To be fair they can only sell what they have to sell.
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Post by: ejamer on June 17, 2013, 05:39:04 PM
Pokepal's comment makes it clear he would love for hackers to take down Xbox Live.


Just some healthy schadenfreude, in my opinion. Don't take everything (including this post) so seriously.
 ;D
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 17, 2013, 05:49:26 PM
Apparently $500 is a great price and Microsoft are over delivering.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-defends-xbox-one-500-price-point-were-over-delivering-value-6410352
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 17, 2013, 05:51:20 PM
Achievement explanations.

http://i.imgur.com/r9UzOaI.png
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 17, 2013, 06:20:31 PM
When I was at work the other day, a customer called in asking to pre-order a Xbox One, part of me wanted to tell him not to. LOL (but the more money the store makes, the more likely I am to get a bonus).
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Post by: magicpixie on June 19, 2013, 04:45:12 PM
Seems like the interwebs are abuzz with talk that MS has made some changes to their DRM/used game policies.  news.xbox.com seems to be having some issues right now.

Edit: From http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update
Quote
An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
 
 Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
 
 In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

This changes everything.
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Post by: broodwars on June 19, 2013, 05:02:23 PM
Well, the rumor was true: no DRM anymore, no online connection required, and no region locking. So now instead of a stillborn console, they merely have one that's $100 less and allegedly less powerful than the PS4. Well, 5-6 years from now when I buy an Xbone for Quantum Break (assuming I haven't bought the PC version), I'll appreciate not having to sell my soul to Microsoft.

The console wars just got a lot more interesting, but I hope that people don't forget how doggedly Microsoft was fighting for all that DRM. This isn't going to go away that easily.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2013, 05:10:41 PM
Those guys at Microsoft over delivering on the Value.  ::)


This definitely changes things since they got rid of the only them keeping me from buying their console at launch. Sucks that they're getting rid of the online game sharing feature as well. I know EA must feel like they've been bamboozled now.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2013, 05:31:01 PM
This is HUGE.  We won.  MS got rid of it before it even came out.  The buying public didn't reject the concept for it never was tested with them.  The negative reaction at E3 from just a small chunk of the target market was enough to make MS change their minds.

Thought I'm not immediately going to jump on the Xbone bandwagon because of this.  This affects the Wii U pretty significantly as it seemed that Nintendo was going to finish at least second by default but now that isn't the case.  Nintendo would have benefitted greatly from MS trying this and having it fail miserably in the marketplace.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 19, 2013, 05:41:33 PM
I'm not entirely sure Nintendo would have finished second had MS kept on course.  Their price point is still a bit high in comparison.

Does anybody at MS lose their job over this fiasco(other than Adam Orth)?  I'm still kind of surprised they did this; I thought for sure they'd let the One flounder for a bit before changing their minds.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2013, 05:42:47 PM
This is HUGE.  We won.  MS got rid of it before it even came out.  The buying public didn't reject the concept for it never was tested with them.  The negative reaction at E3 from just a small chunk of the target market was enough to make MS change their minds.

Thought I'm not immediately going to jump on the Xbone bandwagon because of this.  This affects the Wii U pretty significantly as it seemed that Nintendo was going to finish at least second by default but now that isn't the case.  Nintendo would have benefitted greatly from MS trying this and having it fail miserably in the marketplace.


I feel this impacts nintendo the most. I that despite a lower price and even going down $50 a lack of third party support and hardware being weaker with justify most consumers still paying $400 or $500 more.


Nintendo won;t have things like Madden or Fifa on the shelves which is a big dealbraker for alot of consumers. (well technically they do)
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
I'm not entirely sure Nintendo would have finished second had MS kept on course.  Their price point is still a bit high in comparison.

Does anybody at MS lose their job over this fiasco(other than Adam Orth)?  I'm still kind of surprised they did this; I thought for sure they'd let the One flounder for a bit before changing their minds.


No way they were going to let this thing PS3 for a while. Even Windows 8 which is a technically a success, they're redesgining nearly every first party App and adjusting things for Windows Blue. 
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Post by: magicpixie on June 19, 2013, 05:49:13 PM
Yeah, but that took them a while to finally do.  I figured it would be the same with this situation; that the execs had their heads so far up their asses, that they had no clue what the consumer reaction would be without getting cold, hard, sales figures.  Up until now, they gave me every impression that was the case.  Maybe the preorder numbers were REALLY bad.
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Post by: TrueNerd on June 19, 2013, 05:50:48 PM
Way to pull your head out of your ass, Microsoft.
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Post by: Stogi on June 19, 2013, 06:03:09 PM
Aw...

I wanted to see what the hackers would do.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 19, 2013, 06:30:55 PM
Wow, they fixed that real quick. PEOPLE POWER!
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 19, 2013, 06:44:20 PM
I have to admit that I am genuinely surprised that Microsoft did this.  Props to them.  They ate humble pie and reneged. I guess I am just used to Nintendo's "don't give damn about anyone but our shareholders wallets" attitude that it feels weird. Foreign even.

While I am still going to get a PS4 next gen, I am not longer upset at Microsoft. 
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 19, 2013, 06:46:10 PM
Aw...

I wanted to see what the hackers would do.
i know, now what am i gonna do with all this popcorn
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2013, 07:12:32 PM
Aw...

I wanted to see what the hackers would do.
i know, now what am i gonna do with all this popcorn

Well Paula Deen is in the news for being a racist.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2013, 07:55:35 PM
I have to admit that I am genuinely surprised that Microsoft did this.  Props to them.  They ate humble pie and reneged. I guess I am just used to Nintendo's "don't give damn about anyone but our shareholders wallets" attitude that it feels weird. Foreign even.

It does feel weird and I wonder what it feels like for existing Xbox fans who liked the 360.  Think of any time Nintendo announced something you absolutely hated and then imagine if a little while later they completely changed their tune on it.  "We're not going to use cartridges after all."  "We're going to go online after all." "We're going to cancel the Wii and make the Revolution instead."  That would be mindblowing and MS is actually doing exactly that!  The closest example to this I can think of is Sony not going with the batarang controller for the PS3.

I actually find myself legitimately excited and it's not like I want to support MS now.  I mean any company that would actually announce such "features" is not to be trusted.  But we just dodged a huge bullet here as I was legitimately afraid that this DRM stuff would catch on and the entire industry would follow it.  To have avoided that makes me feel great!

MS seems like all the more dangerous of an opponent for Nintendo now because they were heading towards the cliff and realized it and pulled up in time.  Who is that smart, for lack of a better word?  We've seen Sega, Nintendo and Sony commit to the STUPIDEST self-defeating ideas where we gamers spotted the potential problems 100 miles away.  But MS didn't do that.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 19, 2013, 08:52:29 PM
something about this seems off... idk something doesn't feel right for them to announce this a little over a week past e3

something seems fishy
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Post by: nickmitch on June 19, 2013, 09:09:59 PM
I don't see what's fishy about it. The E3 reaction was bad because MS was vague about it before, clarified at the show, and then got promptly shown up (and downright embarrassed). They mulled over the reaction for a week and reneged.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on June 19, 2013, 09:10:31 PM
This is HUGE.  We won.  MS got rid of it before it even came out.  The buying public didn't reject the concept for it never was tested with them.  The negative reaction at E3 from just a small chunk of the target market was enough to make MS change their minds.

Thought I'm not immediately going to jump on the Xbone bandwagon because of this.  This affects the Wii U pretty significantly as it seemed that Nintendo was going to finish at least second by default but now that isn't the case.  Nintendo would have benefitted greatly from MS trying this and having it fail miserably in the marketplace.


The public may have rejected this.  Pre-orders have been available for one week and most retailers were probably given extremely small launch numbers.  They probably expected retailers to start calling and asking for larger launch numbers and no one has. 


The majority of the public doesn't look online at this news and probably never knew the mess that the xbox one could have been.  But this is still really damaging to me.  It makes me think that as soon as Microsoft can switch on the DRM they will.  It also makes me think they will think of another way to make the DRM work but sneak it in so it's not so abundantly clear what they are trying to do.  I'm still likely to get a PS4 and not an Xbox One.  Maybe exclusives and time will convince me, but I'm more wary of Microsoft and their plans than before. 
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2013, 09:17:39 PM
something about this seems off... idk something doesn't feel right for them to announce this a little over a week past e3

something seems fishy

I'm guessing it was the feedback from the armed forces. You can't be the America box and not support the troops.
The UI looks cool I guess.
(http://i.imgur.com/G7meRFk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rUipEGo.jpg)
 
 
 
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 19, 2013, 09:20:54 PM
but microsoft could have made some arrangement with them,
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 19, 2013, 09:21:27 PM
something about this seems off... idk something doesn't feel right for them to announce this a little over a week past e3

something seems fishy

They didn't have a choice.  They were getting universally panned. 
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Post by: Shaymin on June 19, 2013, 09:29:12 PM
There were (anecdotal) reports of 8:1 ratios of PS4/Xbone preorders at major stores. That probably did all the talking.

Still, the Xbone isn't as powerful, is $100 more, and it comes with its own Ceiling Cat functionality. NO BUYS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 19, 2013, 09:38:02 PM
this news makes my thread title change behind the times....

gonna have to come up with a new one.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2013, 10:20:32 PM
All hail the Pope.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2830/9037236221_71e33dd52d_b.jpg)
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 19, 2013, 10:35:58 PM
this news makes my thread title change behind the times....

gonna have to come up with a new one.
just add "nah just kidding"  at the end
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Post by: Shaymin on June 19, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
/me looks at Shinji's post

... f**k it, I got nothing.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 19, 2013, 10:52:55 PM
The packages look nice at least,
You can sign up for the project Spark beta here.
https://joinprojectspark.com/ (https://joinprojectspark.com/)
 
I think some of the Kinect and Smartglass integration is cool but can become annoying. Dead Rising 3 uses Kinect to alert zombies to movement it heres in your home. So if you have kids or pets consider yourself fucked. The smartglass integration is kind of cool since it turns your real phone/Tablet into what would be the in game Phone.
 
 
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Post by: MagicCow64 on June 19, 2013, 11:36:59 PM
This is pretty damn surprising. They announced this stuff vaguely, got pounded on it, revealed the specifics at E3, got pounded harder, and then turn around on a dime. I assumed they were taking the PR hit because this was the plan, locking that **** down.

I mean, they must have had most of an infrastructure in place to track the DRM/sharing/used sales stuff, both on a hardware and software level, not to mention getting all of the systems in place for retailers. They must be taking a fucking bath on this.

And then there's the publishers. You know most of them wanted it. Who caved first?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 20, 2013, 12:28:32 AM
Don Mattrick's first draft of the update announcement.

http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 20, 2013, 07:14:56 AM
While I did hate the DRM, there are aspects of this that are going to keep us in the status quo instead of looking too the future.
 
-No more Quick Game switching unless you download all your game. (similar to PS4)
-No more game sharing with 10 people of your choice
-No more disc based purchased being counted as downloaded purchases like steam.
 
So while the DRM did suck for most of the audience, it did have tangabile benefits for a industry that will eventually go mostly digital in the first place. Microoft gambled with being the first to try and steamafiy the console space but made miss calculations (if there would be a internet check it should be a month like steam), fortunately the gamer consumers made their complaints heard and its going to be a better product for 90% of the market, however it does have some negatives that kills the adoption of digital content for gaming, whears were seeing other mediums growing due it.
 
So in conclusion a step back for the Industry, but a step forward for consumers which is a better thing in the long run.
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Post by: Ceric on June 20, 2013, 08:46:02 AM
If Microsoft wanted the original scheme they shouldn't have half-assed it.  Should have went Digital only and lengthen the check-in.  Just a quick phone home for long term offline to lock your account from use on other systems till your back online.
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Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2013, 09:53:52 AM
Can Microsoft potentially reverse the DRM features down the line? For example, in 2015 when there are millions of One units in homes, can they just switch all this stuff back on and require a system update or you can no longer access Xbox Live? I feel like in the fine print of the Terms of Use, there's going to be some vague clause that allows them to do this.
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Post by: Ceric on June 20, 2013, 10:54:44 AM
Can Microsoft potentially reverse the DRM features down the line? For example, in 2015 when there are millions of One units in homes, can they just switch all this stuff back on and require a system update or you can no longer access Xbox Live? I feel like in the fine print of the Terms of Use, there's going to be some vague clause that allows them to do this.
Yes.  Yes they can.  Its all Software.  MS has shown they have no problem changing the Consoles look and Feel with the 360 and it looks like they put an out in there contract.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 20, 2013, 11:00:33 AM
Can Microsoft potentially reverse the DRM features down the line? For example, in 2015 when there are millions of One units in homes, can they just switch all this stuff back on and require a system update or you can no longer access Xbox Live? I feel like in the fine print of the Terms of Use, there's going to be some vague clause that allows them to do this.


Most definitely. Would they? Doubtful, considering the shitstorm that would ensue would make this one look like a tea party.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on June 20, 2013, 11:53:47 AM
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Most definitely. Would they? Doubtful, considering the shitstorm that would ensue would make this one look like a tea party.

Microsoft will let go of some of these ideas, but I could see them introducing some new drm in 3 years that works with new games. I also believe they will go digital only with some big releases during this gen.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 20, 2013, 12:42:54 PM
Pretty sure Killer Insitcnt is going to digital only with a retail copy probably coming with the Mad Catz fightstick for the One.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 20, 2013, 01:10:07 PM
Can Microsoft potentially reverse the DRM features down the line? For example, in 2015 when there are millions of One units in homes, can they just switch all this stuff back on and require a system update or you can no longer access Xbox Live? I feel like in the fine print of the Terms of Use, there's going to be some vague clause that allows them to do this.


Most definitely. Would they? Doubtful, considering the shitstorm that would ensue would make this one look like a tea party.
i could see them finding an excuse to bring one or two things in down the line... but not the whole deal...

the UI does look nice... it also looks like the exact same one i could get on my desktop if i were stupid enough to put windows 8 on a PC that is well over 8 years old.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 20, 2013, 01:15:43 PM
stoIntroducing all the DRM features years into the future on existing Xbox One users would be a PR disaster.  They would be insanely dumb to do that.  I honestly feel it would poison the Xbox brand.  All the reasons to have backpeddled here still apply for introducing it later.

The whole thing is pointless becaues the used game "problem" is going to go away anyway as the industry moves to digital only which will happen because the general public will want it.  Microsoft's whole initial plan showed a lack of patience.  There was no point in all this bad PR because they were just forcing that which will come naturally in time.  Once the public embraces digital only and demands it they will lose their rights to used games and not even notice.  Why push it on them when with some patience they'll eventually ASK you to do it?
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Post by: magicpixie on June 20, 2013, 05:04:12 PM
Pete Dodd's For Your FYI podcast brings up a good point.  All of these "features" that MS had built to offset the negatives of their online DRM don't have to be completely scrapped.  Family sharing could(and, imo, should) still be a feature for digital downloads.  Used sales can still be implemented for digital games.  There is some sentiment of anger toward the No DRM movement for forcing MS's hand in removing these features, but, ultimately, it is entirely MS's decision to remove them.  If they kept some of these features for digital, they wouldn't lose all that hard work they put into building the system's infrastructure, they would just need to rework it.  Keeping those features for digital would provide an incentive for people to purchase online, which is presumably what all platforms want anyway.

Anyway, oddly enough, this announcement has swayed me away from a PS4 @ launch.  Now, I'll be sticking to my PC and "last-gen" for about another year.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 20, 2013, 05:30:18 PM
Looking around other game sites there is a surprisingly large amount of people upset that MS has changed their tune.  Since that isn't the case here I was quite shocked to see that.

Ultimately the argument in favour of this stuff is that the individual likes the new features these restrictions permitted and they feel that losing some consumer rights is a worthy tradeoff.  My beef with this argument is that we're not talking about YOU giving up your rights, we're talking about EVERYBODY.  Just because those rights don't matter to you doesn't mean they don't matter to others.  Is it even remotely fair to ask everybody to give up their rights for a feature that you specifically want?  It is insanely selfish and I wonder if the pro-DRM people are even realizing exactly what they're saying.

The fact that this forum is pretty unanimous in its dislike of the original restrictions makes me respect the members of it all the more.
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Post by: pokepal148 on June 20, 2013, 05:55:41 PM
ian can you get us a link to one of those sites, I wanna play fallacy bingo
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 20, 2013, 08:30:53 PM
GiModo
Verge
Ads

Just to name a few. Tech sites will also get hard at the concept of the one and they probably explode if you slap a apple logo on it. Those guys don't ezisit in the same technological reality as the rest of the world does.
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Post by: magicpixie on June 20, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Holy fuckin' ****:
http://www.heyuguysgaming.com/news/12507/heartbroken-xbox-one-employee-lets-rip-must-read (http://www.heyuguysgaming.com/news/12507/heartbroken-xbox-one-employee-lets-rip-must-read)

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...First is family sharing, this feature is near and dear to me and I truly felt it would have helped the industry grow and make both gamers and developers happy. The premise is simple and elegant, when you buy your games for Xbox One, you can set any of them to be part of your shared library. Anyone who you deem to be family had access to these games regardless of where they are in the world. There was never any catch to that, they didn’t have to share the same billing address or physical address it could be anyone. When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour. This allowed the person to play the game, get familiar with it then make a purchase if they wanted to. When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game. We were toying around with a limit on the number of times members could access the shared game (as to discourage gamers from simply beating the game by doing multiple playthroughs). but we had not settled on an appropriate way of handling it. One thing we knew is that we wanted the experience to be seamless for both the person sharing and the family member benefiting. There weren’t many models of this system already in the wild other than Sony’s horrendous game sharing implementation, but it was clear their approach (if one could call it that) was not the way to go. Developers complained about the lost sales and gamers complained about overbearing DRM that punished those who didn’t share that implemented by publishers to quell gamers from taking advantage of a poorly thought out system. We wanted our family sharing plan to be something that was talked about and genuinely enjoyed by the masses as a way of inciting gamers to try new games.

The motto around the offices for the family plan was “It’s the console gaming equivalent to spotify and pandora” it was a social network within itself! The difference between the family sharing and the typical store demo is that your progress is saved as if it was the full game, and the data that was installed for that shared game doesn’t need to be erased when they purchase the full game! It gave incentive to share your games among your peers, it gave games exposure, it allowed old games to still generate revenue for publishers. At the present time we’re no longer going forward with it, but it is not completely off the table. It is still possible to implement this with the digital downloaded versions of games, and in fact that’s the plan still as far as I’m aware.

Jeez, if that's true...
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Post by: oohhboy on June 21, 2013, 07:10:43 AM
So the so called family plan itself was a load of bollocks.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 21, 2013, 02:36:10 PM
Dun Dun Dun

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Post by: azeke on June 23, 2013, 01:48:11 PM
I guess, this goes here since it's Xbox exclusive...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQDUdopVNPA

Aside from dubious name (this really has nothing to do with Fantasia and come on, who're to say you know better what Disney wanted to do), it's pretty interesting.

Like Elite Beat Agents only you are flailing your hands instead of moving your stylus.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 24, 2013, 04:12:57 PM
So does anyone think Microsoft will bring back their restrictive DRM policies in a few years?
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 24, 2013, 05:46:24 PM
No, that would cause an even bigger shitstrom than trying to implement it in the first place.  The odd thing is without the 24 hour check I think Microsoft would have got a decent reception.
 
Its rumored that Microsoft is going to talk about indies this coming BUILD 13.
(http://abload.de/img/untitledhhksd.png)
a bit more on dead rising smartglass features
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Is it its own stand-alone app?

No, it’s part of an upcoming version of the Xbox SmartGlass app and will function much like the current version. After you launch the app, it notices that Dead Rising is currently being played, press a button, and in kicks our phone. It actually skins your phone to be like the phone from the game’s universe.

You’ll get calls from a character that are only on the SmartGlass device. So if you don’t have SmartGlass, you won’t get those calls from that guy. Which also means you won’t get those missions.

 Will you be able to finish the game without it?

You can finish the game without it. There’s plenty content as is without it. But we put some exclusives in the game for those who have a SmartGlass compatible device. Personally, I’m a child; I love gadgets, hearing a little ring… I can even customize the ringtones too… and hearing a little voice, that gives you exclusive missions.

 So there’s a character unique to SmartGlass?

Yes. His storyline is his own. And it interweaves with the main storyline. Without it, you’re not losing out on what the story is. But you’re getting more out of the game.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 25, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
So //build/ starts tomorrow and i'm expecting a few updates for the xbox platform. Mostly
 
-The Launch of the Xbox One app/indie story.
-Updates to the Xbox Media apps (Xbox Music web app already announced.)
-Possibly an overview of the Xbox One OS/UI
The Keynote can be found here.
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2013 (http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2013)
 
 
 
 
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 26, 2013, 02:14:47 PM
So the first build keynote finished and not much Xbox news. (this was told upfront). Makes me wonder if they're going to showcase it tommroow, as the guys who gave this info were right about some other stuff.
 
Xbox News that did come out was.
-Using Windows 8 to share media files to Xbone.
-some directX 11 platforming stuff.
-Kinect for Windows
-Some cool project Spark stuff.
They did show this picture which again is hinting at it
(http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/13216/20130626-10471518--IMG_0472.JPG)
 
Xbox One Kinect for Windows developer pre-orders started as well. For the hot price of $399 you can grab one. Shows how much the Kinect did add to the price of the system.
 
Downloading the Windows 8.1 preview and it looks really good. They're not making the same mistakes google made with Android at least, which gives Microsoft a real shot in the mobile Market place. (tablet at least as windows phone needs more work done)
 
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Post by: Ceric on June 26, 2013, 08:02:50 PM
I like my Windows.  About the only thing I really want at the Core is a Reply All for social Media.  More apps be nice too.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 27, 2013, 12:08:06 AM
Been Playing around with 8.1 and I like its pretty great.
(http://i.imgur.com/loP1ZlG.jpg)

I let my mother have my Nexus 7 so when I get a new tablet its going to be one of those 8 inch windows models.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 27, 2013, 12:22:38 AM
Looks just like Windows 8...
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 27, 2013, 12:47:14 AM
Looks just like Windows 8...

Its an update to windows 8. Its like complaining that JB looks like ICS.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 27, 2013, 01:07:33 AM
Not complaining, just observing.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 27, 2013, 01:26:37 AM
Not complaining, just observing.

My bad. Its a decent update that does a good job of putting the Metro framework to replace the regular windows OS.


 
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 27, 2013, 07:39:30 AM

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-26-microsoft-no-longer-charges-developers-to-patch-their-xbox-360-games

No more charging for Patching and resubmission. All they need now is an indie guys and delf publishing and they're golden.

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Microsoft no longer charges developers for Xbox 360 title updates, Eurogamer has been told by multiple development sources.

Microsoft made the policy change on the quiet earlier this year after charging developers tens of thousands of dollars to patch their games.

 Microsoft has always charged a fee when developers first submit their games to Microsoft's certification process so they can be approved for release, and the company normally grants developers one title update free of charge. This remains the case, but sources have told Eurogamer that subsequent re-certification as a result of a title update is now free. This applies to Xbox Live Arcade games and full retail games.

 There are caveats, we understand. If a developer is deemed to be making an excessive number of re-submissions due to an update failing certification, for example, Microsoft reserves the right to issue a charge. But the changes should make critics of Microsoft's closed platform happier - and align the Xbox ecosystem more closely with the likes of Steam

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Update:Furthermore, we understand it is now the case that XBLA games are no longer charged for resubmission if they fail certification - there is a single charge for the first submission, but if it fails then the developer is not charged for resubmitting it.

 This has apparently been added to assist smaller development teams who don't have the resources to test games as thoroughly as the larger publishers - although as with the title updates, Microsoft reserves the right to charge for excessive submissions
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Post by: Morari on June 27, 2013, 11:24:19 AM
Its a decent update that does a good job of putting the Metro framework to replace the regular windows OS.

No, it's shallow lip-service that doesn't actually address any of the issues with Windows 8... mainly that Metro even exists on the desktop.

"Look, there's a Start button, now STFU customers!"
--Steve Ballmer, whilst angrily throwing a chair at you.
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Post by: Ceric on June 27, 2013, 12:38:18 PM
I prefer the Metro Start Menu over the Traditional Start Menu.  The Only real change I would make is to make it easier to pull up the all items view.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 27, 2013, 12:56:36 PM
I prefer the start screen and I love how the start button just goes to instead of using the hot corner. Hell with the expection of a few apps I spend a lot of time in the metro enviorment and the stuff they showed off yesterday is slowing bringing metro on par with desktop.
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Post by: Ceric on June 27, 2013, 03:21:26 PM
My problem with Metro apps on Desktop is 1 Maybe 2 apps at a time.  I normally am doing more then that on a desktop.  Also it doesn't support Dual Monitors really that hot at the moment.  I heard 8.1 helps with that.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 27, 2013, 04:52:41 PM
Its fixed but My screen size won't allow me to do it. I can do the halfscreen view. Now developers have to start upgrading for to 8.1 so apps (mostly video) don't look like crap.


Also Microsoft fucking baffles me at times.

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Today at Microsoft’s annual Build Conference in San Francisco, a new collaboration was announced  with Unity Technologies, the provider of Unity multi-platform game engine and developer tools. Marking one step in our ongoing commitment to provide the best developer environment for creators, this collaboration will make it even easier for developers to bring popular games, entertainment and apps to Microsoft platforms.

Developers who build games published by Microsoft Studios now have access to Unity tools for Xbox 360 and Xbox One free of charge and can create interactive 3D and 2D experiences. Unity will develop tools for Xbox One, including support for features like multiplayer matchmaking, SmartGlass, enhanced Kinect gestures and recognition, and the power of the cloud.

Steven Guggenheimer, Corporate Vice President and Chief Evangelist of Microsoft’s Developer & Platform Evangelism organization said, “Unity has established itself not only as an incredible development toolset and engine, but as a significant force for creative freedom and innovation in the games development community. With Unity’s commitment to support Windows 8, Windows Phone 8, Xbox One and Xbox 360, Microsoft’s gaming ecosystem will benefit from the wealth of ideas and imagination flowing from the Unity games development community.”

At Xbox, ensuring that developers of all levels and sizes can bring their creations to life on Xbox One is mission critical. As we look ahead, we look forward to sharing more information on our plans to help empower everyone from the independent game developer looking to make publishing to the console easy to the app developer who wants to bring new experiences to the television.

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Guggenheimer demonstrated remote debugging of a basic web application that appeared to be running on an Xbox One, noting that the app included an xbox.js library. "Nothing to announce today, but when I talk about that common core you're seeing that common core in action, being able to target other devices devices over time that run the Windows 8 engine," said Guggenheimer. He then proceeded to tease developers by encouraging them to develop Windows 8 apps in order to build Xbox One apps. "If you want to know about how to get a head start about thinking about developing for Xbox One, the logical thing to do is go build Windows 8 applications," said Guggenheimer


The development platform is still unclear, but Microsoft did note it will support native apps on Xbox One alongside web versions. It appears that developers may need to work with development tools that are almost identical to Windows 8 tools to create Xbox One apps. Microsoft also announced a new partnership with Unity to support all Microsoft platforms, including Windows, Windows Phone, Xbox One, and Xbox 360. The toolset lets developers more easily develop games to run across multiple platforms

(http://live.arstechnica.com/microsoft-build-day-2-keynote/images/IMG_0231.JPG)

(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/8519485/2013-06-26_22-58-46-1020_large_large.jpg)

I mean how the **** do you announce Unity Support and an appstore, but not announce self publishing. I'm still in the belief its coming but not announcing it as soon as you can is bad for developers. Even the app store which is pretty much confirmed they were vauge as hell about.

Would it be so hard to come out and say this.

-Unity support for all Microsoft Platforms (One/360/Win8/Winphone)
-Windows 8 apps will be able to built and put into a Xbox One app store for TV use.
-Self Publishing for all game develoeprs
-But if you decide to publish through Microsoft Studios you get Unity for free.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 28, 2013, 08:29:29 AM
I got into the World of Tanks beta and despite the servers not supposed to be up until later today you can already start playing.

Haven't played the game on PC but the controls on Xbox seem to hold up well once I changed them from the standard FPS/TPS control set that was on by default.

Got my ass handed to me my first match and was surprised this is a one death game with no respawns.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 30, 2013, 12:28:20 PM
So look like Gears is going to stay Xbox Exclusive and probably the judgment team working on it. Not sure where the series can go from hear.

Also Ryse is going to be getting some sort of Graphic Novels an increasing trend for Microsoft IP.

(http://i5.minus.com/jb0YNMw88axrUK.png)


Also despite all the new IP shown at E3, there is still unannounced stuff.
(http://i1.minus.com/jbcJflMBPFTj15.png)

Hmmm Microsoft Apparently Owns Quantum Break. Remedy kept Alsn Wake's IP, I wonder if this is hinting at them being acquired by Microsoft.

(http://trademarks.justia.com/859/56/quantum-85956954.html)

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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 01, 2013, 11:55:59 AM
Well Microsoft does co-develop and publish the Gears franchise, so they own the IP. Similar to how Sony owns Resistance and Ratchet & Clank even though Insomniac is an independent 3rd-party developer.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 01, 2013, 12:17:48 PM
Well Microsoft does co-develop and publish Gears franchise, so they own the IP. Similar to how Sony owns Resistance and Ratchet & Clank even though Insomniac is an independent 3rd-party developer.

Um, wrong. Epic Games owns the IP. Hell, they have even said they CHOOSE to release it only for Microsoft systems. Microsoft has not co-developed any of the games, and they have no ownership in the series, it is 100% owned by Epic Games. Epic just has a contract to have Microsoft publish the games, but MS has no ownership in the series.
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Post by: magicpixie on July 01, 2013, 01:07:12 PM
Heh, rumour has it that Don Mattrick is leaving MS for Zynga.  I've only read it from a couple places, but if it's true, it seems fitting.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 01, 2013, 01:30:50 PM
Zynga is a sinking ship.
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Post by: azeke on July 01, 2013, 03:09:41 PM
As he said: fitting.

couldn't resist
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Post by: Shaymin on July 01, 2013, 07:01:05 PM
We have a place for those of you who can't play Farmville: It's called the Midwest.
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Post by: broodwars on July 01, 2013, 07:08:19 PM
Mattrick becoming the CEO of a failing digital-only company is just too appropriate. Hopefully, he'll finish that company off.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 01, 2013, 07:49:32 PM
Mattrick becoming the CEO of a failing digital-only company is just too appropriate. Hopefully, he'll finish that company off.


Likely Mattrick is either going to save Zynga (highly unlikely they would have to invest in core games), but he's probably going to run the company till it dies and is aquried by someone like Google and he's either going to join the Bigger company or Ride the Golden Parachute out of their.



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Post by: shingi_70 on July 05, 2013, 08:54:44 AM
well apparently Mattrick's starting salary is $19 million for the first year which is wow.


There's also rumors of J Allard or Peter Moore coming back to the Xbox fold to correct the course.


A beta for the next 360 dashboard is out and ready. I'm guessing its going to make the UI closer to what the Xbox One is and get rid of MS points.


Really want to play KI but $100 cheaper and free game ia PS+ means the one is a down the line purchase.
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Post by: RABicle on July 05, 2013, 10:44:53 AM
How does a F2P company even have $19m in revenue to waste on a Canadian?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 05, 2013, 12:44:28 PM
I'll admit I am more interested in the Xbox One now that Microsoft's DRM policies are gone, but I just wish the damn thing didn't cost $500. It's the PS3 all over again; poor initial sales leading to multiple price cuts.


Consoles should not cost over $400. How will gaming become accessible to wider audiences if consoles cost so much? Good thing Nintendo is around to keep gaming affordable. Even Sony seems to have learned their lessons from launching the PS3 at $600.
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Post by: Shaymin on July 05, 2013, 08:13:48 PM
How does a F2P company even have $19m in revenue to waste on a Canadian?

Stockholders.

(I'd say idiots, but then I'd be redundant.)
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 05, 2013, 09:52:59 PM
Dat Venture Capitalist money. Honestly I'm not sure what Zynga can do but try to move toward core games which is a long term plan. They have to do something in the console space and focus on XBLA/PSN as well as IOS. Maybe become a major competitor too Gameloft.


I'll admit I am more interested in the Xbox One now that Microsoft's DRM policies are gone, but I just wish the damn thing didn't cost $500. It's the PS3 all over again; poor initial sales leading to multiple price cuts.


Consoles should not cost over $400. How will gaming become accessible to wider audiences if consoles cost so much? Good thing Nintendo is around to keep gaming affordable. Even Sony seems to have learned their lessons from launching the PS3 at $600.


Gaming is already accessible to a wider audience through PS3/360.


But yeah considering everything the PS4 is the best choice out of the three next gen consoles announced. One has to consider that the consoles really aren't $400/$500 when you need PS+ and Live at this point. for the $450 you get a free game.
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Post by: RABicle on July 06, 2013, 12:03:21 AM
How does a F2P company even have $19m in revenue to waste on a Canadian?

Stockholders.

(I'd say idiots, but then I'd be redundant.)
Yeah I'm looking at the breakdown here.  $5m 'sign on' bonus. $1m salary, $2m bonus (tax evasion) and $12m of stock. Since Zynga isn't worth a cent more than the price of their office equipment and we all know the stockmarket is hypothetical gambling, yeah I hope this works out really badly for the chief dorky dad..
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 06, 2013, 11:59:17 AM
but i liked his jacket... :D
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Post by: Ceric on July 06, 2013, 01:24:03 PM
How does a F2P company even have $19m in revenue to waste on a Canadian?

Stockholders.

(I'd say idiots, but then I'd be redundant.)
Yeah I'm looking at the breakdown here.  $5m 'sign on' bonus. $1m salary, $2m bonus (tax evasion) and $12m of stock. Since Zynga isn't worth a cent more than the price of their office equipment and we all know the stockmarket is hypothetical gambling, yeah I hope this works out really badly for the chief dorky dad..
That's  $8 Million guaranteed.  With a potential $12 Million on the table if he can sway investor opinion of Zynga.
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Post by: oohhboy on July 06, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
Eat NuAds. It is good for the environment and good for you. (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/microsoft-xbox-one-advertising-will-integrate-with-kinect/)

Yes now you too can shout McDonald's and dance to your favorite commercials. It's not that you can, but you have to. No quite but it's damn close. Those "interactive" flash ads that show up once in a while are annoying enough with them begging for you to touch them.

Shitting the bed, repeatedly, the Microsoft experience.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 11, 2013, 09:24:25 AM
The micro restructing is finally happening.


Quote
Specifically, our teams and their leaders will be these:Operating Systems Engineering Group. Terry Myerson will lead this group, and it will span all our OS work for console, to mobile device, to PC, to back-end systems. The core cloud services for the operating system will be in this group.
Devices and Studios Engineering Group. Julie Larson-Green will lead this group and will have all hardware development and supply chain from the smallest to the largest devices we build. Julie will also take responsibility for our studios experiences including all games, music, video and other entertainment.
Applications and Services Engineering Group. Qi Lu will lead broad applications and services core technologies in productivity, communication, search and other information categories.Cloud and Enterprise Engineering Group. Satya Nadella will lead development of our back-end technologies like datacenter, database and our specific technologies for enterprise IT scenarios and development tools. He will lead datacenter development, construction and operation.
Dynamics. Kirill Tatarinov will continue to run Dynamics as is, but his product leaders will dotted line report to Qi Lu, his marketing leader will dotted line report to Tami Reller and his sales leader will dotted line report to the COO group.Advanced Strategy and Research Group. Eric Rudder will lead Research, Trustworthy Computing, teams focused on the intersection of technology and policy, and will drive our cross-company looks at key new technology trends.Marketing Group. Tami Reller will lead all marketing with the field relationship as is today. Mark Penn will take a broad view of marketing strategy and will lead with Tami the newly centralized advertising and media functions.
COO. Kevin Turner will continue leading our worldwide sales, field marketing, services, support, and stores as well as IT, licensing and commercial operations.Business Development and Evangelism Group. Tony Bates will focus on key partnerships especially our innovation partners (OEMs, silicon vendors, key developers, Yahoo, Nokia, etc.) and our broad work on evangelism and developer outreach. DPE, Corporate Strategy and the business development efforts formerly in the BGs will become part of this new group. OEM will remain in SMSG with Kevin Turner with a dotted line to Tony who will work closely with Nick Parker on key OEM relationships.Finance Group. Amy Hood will centralize all product group finance organizations. SMSG finance, which is geographically diffuse, will report to Kevin Turner with a dotted line to Amy.Legal Group. Brad Smith will continue as General Counsel with responsibility for law and corporate affairs and will map his team to the new organization.HR Group. Lisa Brummel will lead Human Resources and map her team to the new organization.
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 17, 2013, 08:15:07 PM
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While advertising was "more of an afterthought" on the Xbox 360, the Xbox One "is going to have advertising in mind," according to a technical account manager StickTwiddlers talked to. "So a lot of the limitations that we have now, hopefully the release of the boundaries will be widened so the opportunities will be a lot greater.”

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv41g3ZcAV1qd7hz5.gif)

http://mindofthegeek.com/2013/07/15/xbox-one-booed-evo-2013-killer-instinct/ (http://mindofthegeek.com/2013/07/15/xbox-one-booed-evo-2013-killer-instinct/)

bravo microsoft, I assumed that with the 180 you guys would be able to pull the curtains on this mess but nope. the show must go on
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Post by: Louieturkey on July 18, 2013, 09:40:15 PM
Yeah, it's not like this wasn't expected.  While I think X1 will be more invasive, the PS4 will have advertising as well.
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 18, 2013, 10:19:43 PM
no, it was completely expected. i wish i found that gif before the 180 tbh it would have worked better then,

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Post by: Caterkiller on July 19, 2013, 12:49:02 AM
Anybody at their Xbox one Comicon booth? Look for me, I'll be a Roman warrior advertising Ryse.
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Post by: Ceric on July 19, 2013, 08:53:08 AM
Anybody at their Xbox one Comicon booth? Look for me, I'll be a Roman warrior advertising Ryse.
Did they let you play it any? Are they still PCs under their?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 24, 2013, 04:00:20 PM
Game Informer reports that Microsoft is reversing its stance on indie publishing. They will let indie developers publish their own games, as well as set the date and price for their games.

The company will try to speed up the time between a title being submitted and when it gets released digitally in a model similar to iTunes and its 14 day turnaround. Instead of extensive code checking, they will just check for terms of service violations and significant bugs.

In addition they will not have separate retail and debug units, all Xbox One systems will be the same and Microsoft just enable certain console ID's to be able to play pre-release code.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/07/24/microsoft-to-announce-indie-self-publishing-new-certification-process.aspx
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 24, 2013, 04:11:59 PM
That's arubly even better than what sony has been doing. (In regards to the console being the dev kit like the 360 was for xna and most products expect consoles are today.)


Also from the few indie/kickstarter devs I've emailed about supporting the one they've all been pretty straight up about supporting the system even if its a late port if Microsoft went back to anyone could publish.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 24, 2013, 04:55:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gL50vyZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jwuEWks.png)


This is something that should have been announced at E3. Still pretty big news and could be a big when since apparently Microsoft polices are the same as sonys/Nintendos.
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Post by: broodwars on July 24, 2013, 06:10:53 PM
It's been amusing the last month seeing Sony gradually forcing Microsoft to turn the Xbone into a wannabe $500 PS4.  :P:

Jokes aside, it's a good move, though from the looks of my Twitter feed, Indie devs still aren't particularly happy with Microsoft at the moment.  I'm not sure why.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 24, 2013, 06:16:34 PM
They might not want to put too much stock in a company that seems to be routinely making drastic changes to their policies.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 25, 2013, 07:02:15 AM
It's been amusing the last month seeing Sony gradually forcing Microsoft to turn the Xbone into a wannabe $500 PS4.  :P: :

Jokes aside, it's a good move, though from the looks of my Twitter feed, Indie devs still aren't particularly happy with Microsoft at the moment.  I'm not sure why.


Too much pride to admit they were wrong before passing judgement. (tbf this is something that should have been out till E3 instead of trying to make a splash at Gamescom.


At this point there's no reason for indie devs to not support this system when  you look at it like this,


-despite the $100 more it will still sale through the holiday will probably get a price cut next year.
-Every system unit can be used as a full on dev kit meaning the barrier to entry will be a bit cheaper.
-Self publishing is allowed as
-Unity is supported


There isn't a reason for an indie developer to ignore this out of anything other than spite. Honestly it comes down to how the xbox sells. Despite that I could probably name a few people who won't support the system either way. Phil Fish already said he won't support the system despite his game selling like crap on steam until the steam sale last week (is that really healthly for developers?). Johnthan Blow probably won't either since he got into a conversation about it with others asking them to back up their infomation. After they did he proceeded to not repond and post about how microsoft suxor.


Still this is the same group of people who don't mind sucking ios off a cliff. (not that their is anything bad with the platform but it is a gamble supporting it these days.) Also the insestious nature of the games industry and how indies are friends with alot of press have probably warped some of the mind view of thow much indies matter currently in the overall gaming market.
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 25, 2013, 11:55:35 PM
www.vg247.com/2013/01/21/microsofts-xbox-brand-will-be-sold-to-someone-like-sony-failure-is-inevitable/ (http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/21/microsofts-xbox-brand-will-be-sold-to-someone-like-sony-failure-is-inevitable/)
an interesting read despite some huge glaring flaws
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Post by: Wah on July 26, 2013, 12:09:02 AM
Just saying that microsoft lost the publicity before it's even come out! ;D
P.S AND THIS IS NINTENDO WEBSITE NOT MICROSOFT! :@
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 26, 2013, 12:34:45 AM
this is the general Gaming thread,  alot of people on this site are multiplatform owners, this may be a Nintendo focused site but it isn't Nintendo exclusive.
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Post by: Wah on July 26, 2013, 12:36:32 AM
this is the general Gaming thread,  alot of people on this site are multiplatform owners, this may be a Nintendo focused site but it isn't Nintendo exclusive.
True
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 26, 2013, 08:11:56 AM
Not to be that guy but isn't these the same predictions I see raised at microsoft every year. I guess keeping saying the same thing and your bound to be right one of these days.
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Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2013, 09:27:30 AM
Yeah...
I'll believe it when I see it.

MS will not sell the XBox brand.  If it goes away it will have died.
MS built something, Windows XP and Office 2007, that people found good enough for what they do.  Its sort of the problem when you make something that becomes standard.  In this case w/ those two pieces of software you can say that Office and Windows had reached there maturity.

PC market in general has this problem.  I just bought the best workstation that Dell had for work.  It has USB 3.0 but only has Sata II.  SATA III has been all but standard in the hobbyist space for a while.  Especially longer than USB 3.0 but, for business its good enough for the most case.

We've reached a point a long time ago that even gaming no longer demands being on the cutting edge in the PC World.  I can run every current game I can find with a single card setup on max settings.  Why upgrade to an SLI/Crossfire setup with a Physics card?  Yeah I could post 200+FPS and really have my e-Peen up their but thats about it.

What PC Industries needs for real growth is an architecture shift but they tried that with the Itanium.  Didn't take.  Much better architecture then x86 but, to much work to get everyone on board.  Heck we don't even have IPv6 yet and we've been trying to get that going for what 13 years.

Long digression.  In the end Microsoft is a Software company.  If everyone uses iOS then they'll make software for iOS.  They have a lot of really smart people, even though upper brass seems to like to ignore them, and research divisions.  They will adapt.
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Post by: azeke on July 26, 2013, 10:04:50 AM
MS built something, Windows XP and Office 20073, that people found good enough for what they do.
People hated 2007 at first because of ribbon interface.
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 26, 2013, 10:28:45 AM
on the one hand Microsoft has been pouring money into the xbox for over a decade and even with the 360's relative popularity we don't know if they actually broke even with things like the rrod and the lack of overall penetration over any region that isn't the UK or US
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 26, 2013, 10:46:29 AM
on the one hand Microsoft has been pouring money into the xbox for over a decade and even with the 360's relative popularity we don't know if they actually broke even with things like the rrod and the lack of overall penetration over any region that isn't the UK or US

Actually, they have made a profit with the Xbox 360, awhile ago (even factoring costs like the RRoD).
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 26, 2013, 11:05:49 AM
define profit,  if you mean profit in a year(most likely) then I believe it but Microsoft is known to lose money in order to make money and all things considered I doubt they have come anywhere near breaking even.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 26, 2013, 11:11:27 AM
They have been profiting year to year for a long time now on the Xbox 360, so why do you think they haven't at least broke even overall by now?
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Post by: UncleBob on July 26, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years
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Post by: broodwars on July 26, 2013, 11:56:41 AM
http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years (http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years)

Thanks. I was trying to scrounge through Talkback to find the last thread you posted that link in.  :P:
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Post by: UncleBob on July 26, 2013, 12:07:01 PM
I cheated - I just dug through my old posts. :D
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Post by: broodwars on July 26, 2013, 12:08:10 PM
I cheated - I just dug through my old posts. :D

Seriously, though, the site needs a better Search Engine. Using words from that original post, it was pulling topics from 2012 as the most recent posts.
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Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2013, 01:53:50 PM
I cheated - I just dug through my old posts. :D

Seriously, though, the site needs a better Search Engine. Using words from that original post, it was pulling topics from 2012 as the most recent posts.
That's nothing new.  I have not found a thread I new the exact title for before.  I tell ya Vudu was the only member to ever be able to find anything reliably.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 27, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
If you want to search NWR effectively, go to Google and type "site:nintendoworldreport.com" before your search term. Works like a charm.
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Post by: Shaymin on July 27, 2013, 10:35:17 PM
Phil Fish has basically ragequit the industry over being called a wanker.

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Post by: broodwars on July 27, 2013, 10:37:40 PM
Phil Fish has basically ragequit the industry over being called a wanker.


And I'd like to thank Phil Fish for being such a pussy that my Poison Mushroom for NFR 21 is now an easy lock.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 27, 2013, 10:54:19 PM
Dude's a fucking Jobber. You can't play the badass criticize everyone jerky game dev and then an't take it when people critie you for being wrong or other actions.


Sucks though since he was a hell of a game developer and I was looking forward to fez II. (mostly for the soundtrack as fez's is god tier.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 29, 2013, 02:22:24 PM
Microsoft has released prices for some accesories.

The Xbox One controller will be $59.99 ($10 more than the Xbox 360 wireless controller).
The Xbox One Play & Charge Kit will be $24.99 (a bundle with the Xbox One controller will be $74.99)
The Chat Headset will be $24.99
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 29, 2013, 02:49:15 PM
Charging $60 for a controller and then $25 for rechargeable batteries is a slap in the face to customers. $75 for a bundle is a punch in the stomach.

The Wii U Pro controller has 80 hours of battery life (and that's Nintendo's typically conservative number) and it's $50.
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Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
Charging $60 for a controller and then $25 for rechargeable batteries is a slap in the face to customers. $75 for a bundle is a punch in the stomach.

The Wii U Pro controller has 80 hours of battery life (and that's Nintendo's typically conservative number) and it's $50.
And according to everyone here on the Board that is also a rip off.
Now how about this for simply $5 more your could get your Gamepad Replaced.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 29, 2013, 03:26:01 PM
I don't use it as my main controller, but I've only had to charge my Pro Controller one time since launch. The battery in that thing is damned impressive. I really can't believe Microsoft stuck with AAs as the default.
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 29, 2013, 05:08:10 PM
Charging $60 for a controller and then $25 for rechargeable batteries is a slap in the face to customers. $75 for a bundle is a punch in the stomach.

The Wii U Pro controller has 80 hours of battery life (and that's Nintendo's typically conservative number) and it's $50.
And according to everyone here on the Board that is also a rip off.
Now how about this for simply $5 more your could get your Gamepad Replaced.
to me its a rip off in the sense that compared to the cheaper wii remote plus few games currently support it atm
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Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2013, 05:16:57 PM
*shrug*
Gamepad has easily made back the cost of the system for me.  Wouldn't even need a single game that used it for anything.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 29, 2013, 05:24:44 PM
few games currently support it atm

??

38 retail and eShop games support the Pro Controller. 65 games have been released in North America so far. That means 58% of ALL games released (retail or digital) support the Pro Controller. How is that "few games"?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2013, 09:29:49 PM
Well, so "few games" have been released for Wii U....
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Post by: pokepal148 on July 29, 2013, 09:35:18 PM
i swear i put something on backwards compatibility.
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Post by: Ymeegod on July 29, 2013, 09:36:48 PM
I actually prefer AA's to built-in since I'm the type of gamer that plays longer sessions so in the middle of the game I can easily switch out AA's vs having to deal with the USB cord hanging all over.

Plus I already over a shoe box of rechargeable AA's anyhow so it doesn't cost me extra.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 29, 2013, 09:43:01 PM
Well I'm assuming that if the Wii U Pro Controller can get 80 hours of battery life then Microsoft could do that too, and then your play sessions would have to be pretty damn long for that to be an issue.
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Post by: Ymeegod on July 29, 2013, 10:37:23 PM
Rumble, drains battery like you wouldn't believe and MS has dual motors to boot.  There's not much use of rumble in WII U games and it's a feature you have to actually enable but I'm guessing if a game used the rumble/motion controls heavily you'll likely be getting a lot less than 80 hours. 



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Post by: broodwars on July 29, 2013, 10:57:32 PM
That pricing on the Xbone controller truly is a rip-off, at least at first.  On the one hand, you have a pretty ludicrous $75 price to get yourself set up with a controller & charging cable, whereas Sony will sell you what's generally considered in the press to be a superior self-charging controller for only $60.

The one thing I will give Microsoft on this is that within a few years you will probably have to replace that Dualshock 4 because the non-replaceable battery will die, just like the Dualshock 3's did.  At that point, you're looking at a $60 replacement controller, whereas you pay that one fee upfront with the Xbone's controller and you're set for the life of the console (provided you're willing to play with the controller always connected by the Charge & Play cable).  If you want to play wireless, there will probably be replaceable charging packs just like the 360 had that will cost less than a PS4 to replace.

So yeah, while that pricing is bad, Microsoft's route could prove to be more economical for the player in the long-term.
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Post by: UncleBob on July 29, 2013, 11:51:33 PM
Sorry about that folks.  Must have locked this on accident.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 08, 2013, 09:23:55 PM
yeah the always online fiasco may be over but i'm still finding some great stuff on the xbone
(http://gimmegimmegames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/993606_497832853622608_1300511206_n-322x300.jpg)
(http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/06/Meme1.jpg)
(http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tumblr_mn62dyHtIw1rl2qgmo1_500.png)
(http://bensbargains.net/thecheckout/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/gamestop-saved.jpg)
(http://bensbargains.net/thecheckout/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/xbox-internet-update.jpg)
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/the-moment-that-makes-every-xbox-fan-cringe-240x180.jpg)

and on a rather disturbing note with kinect
(http://cdn.leviathyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/xbox-one-prism-416x555.jpg)
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Post by: Wah on August 08, 2013, 10:37:33 PM
Lol... liked the jaa jaa binks reference! ;D
keep up the good work, i can't believe i just said that!
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Post by: oohhboy on August 10, 2013, 12:26:56 AM
Here is a real winner.
(http://abload.de/img/untitled-2fzbvc.gif)
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Post by: magicpixie on August 12, 2013, 05:54:23 PM
Yet another 180:

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/08/05/ask-microsoft-anything-about-xbox-one

Quote
That said, like online, the console will still function if Kinect isn’t plugged in, although you won’t be able to use any feature or experience that explicitly uses the sensor.

Now they just need to remove Kinect from the box, and drop the price by about $100 and we can talk.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 12, 2013, 06:38:24 PM
but guys, 2 180s makes a 360 :D
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 12, 2013, 06:40:23 PM
That pricing on the Xbone controller truly is a rip-off, at least at first.  On the one hand, you have a pretty ludicrous $75 price to get yourself set up with a controller & charging cable, whereas Sony will sell you what's generally considered in the press to be a superior self-charging controller for only $60.

The one thing I will give Microsoft on this is that within a few years you will probably have to replace that Dualshock 4 because the non-replaceable battery will die, just like the Dualshock 3's did.  At that point, you're looking at a $60 replacement controller, whereas you pay that one fee upfront with the Xbone's controller and you're set for the life of the console (provided you're willing to play with the controller always connected by the Charge & Play cable).  If you want to play wireless, there will probably be replaceable charging packs just like the 360 had that will cost less than a PS4 to replace.

but if you are on the PC you get access to the touchpad on the ps4 controller for ui stuff
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Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2013, 05:19:10 AM
broodwars, how long have you had your PS3 and has any of the controller's batteries ever die? They're making a solution from a lack of a problem to begin with.
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Post by: broodwars on August 13, 2013, 08:16:23 AM
broodwars, how long have you had your PS3 and has any of the controller's batteries ever die? They're making a solution from a lack of a problem to begin with.

Well, let's see...I got my original PS3 back in the summer of 2008.  Since then I've lost 2 PS3 controllers: one to being permanently bricked by Sorcery's "PS Move Controller must be Slot 1" requirement, and the other to no longer holding a charge.

These days I don't tend to even play my PS3 games wirelessly.  I just plug my Dualshock into my bedside laptop & let it leech power from there so I never have to charge it.

As for Microsoft's latest reversal, I have to start asking if Microsoft is about ANYTHING anymore, because it seems to me that they're only showing to be against THEMSELVES.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 13, 2013, 11:41:51 AM
I can't see how people can complain about the 180s. Just makes it a more consumer friendly console. At this rate it looks like this for me.


This Fall- Wii U
Next Spring- PS4
Next Fall- Xbox One.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2013, 12:18:57 PM
I can't see how people can complain about the 180s. Just makes it a more consumer friendly console. At this rate it looks like this for me.


This Fall- Wii U
Next Spring- PS4
Next Fall- Xbox One.


Why would I support a company that had these ideas in the first place, and can easily change it back to what it was like before down the road?
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Post by: broodwars on August 13, 2013, 02:08:15 PM
I can't see how people can complain about the 180s. Just makes it a more consumer friendly console.

Well, it just bugs me how Microsoft seems incapable of actually having a message, a reason to own an Xbone.  So far all Microsoft has said about the Xbone has been total knee-jerk "well, it's not that thing you hated anymore!"  Microsoft has spent so much time & energy establishing why I shouldn't hate the Xbone that they've never established why I should want it.

Congrats, Microsoft: the Xbone is no longer the worst video game console ever created.  Now how about telling me why I should want the Xbone rather than why I shouldn't hate it? Right now I'm perfectly content not owning an Xbone given Microsoft's mediocre library of exclusives and terrible user base, so how are you going to change my mind, Microsoft?
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 13, 2013, 04:18:19 PM
When the Xbone was the worst console ever created there was no logical selling point so why would MS offer one now?  The whole original design seemed to be entirely for the benefit of MS and their partners, not the consumer.  The logic seemed to be "the idiots will buy this anyway so we can do whatever we want" like they existed in some world where videogames are as necessary as food and no other competing consoles exist (MS probably assumed Sony was going to do the same thing and maybe they were but cleverly left MS holding the bag when they saw the backlash for all the rumours).

When the Xbone was first revealed I asked "how do you sell someone on this?" and if MS thought about that they wouldn't have tried the original anti-consumer model in the first place.  There was always this hubris to the whole thing, like we would buy it simply because it exists.  So I don't expect MS to offer a reason to own it because that was never taken into account during the design.  They showed a product that no one wanted and have backtracked to turn it into something we'll tolerate.  Even if they no longer think we'll just buy it compulsively, they have a deadline to meet and "make sure they don't hate it" is mandatory and would take priority over anything else.  At this point they likely hope that Xbox 360 owners will naturally migrate to the next Xbox.  They probably don't have time to make you not hate it AND make you want it before launch.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 13, 2013, 04:59:36 PM
At this point I cant see why someone would buy the PlayStation 4 instead of the Xbox One unless $100 upfront is that big of a deal.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 13, 2013, 05:03:36 PM
At this point I cant see why someone would buy the Xbox One instead of the PlayStation 4 unless you consider $100 upfront for inferior hardware and a spy camera that nobody wants as worth paying for.
fixed
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 13, 2013, 05:13:29 PM
You cant read, can you? The Xbox One doesnt require Kinect. Also, the games shown are the same. And almost all third party games will be the same. So same games, and the Xbox One has a superior controller.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 13, 2013, 05:33:45 PM
You cant read, can you? The Xbox One doesnt require Kinect. Also, the games shown are the same. And almost all third party games will be the same. So same games, and the Xbox One has a superior controller.
Microsoft hasn't specified what will be lost by not using kinect. I think its safe to say that you won't get the full experience without kinect.

Besides the ps4 controller doesn't sound like much of a slouch either in the controller department. I've heard it compared to the gcn controller in some ways.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 13, 2013, 05:37:37 PM
They said it won't be required, but it will still be included so you can still use it. Best of both worlds.

The DualShock 4 still has the same basic design the DualShock always has, which is NOT a good thing. Sony is determined to never have a good controller it seems.
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Post by: magicpixie on August 13, 2013, 05:52:52 PM
$100 up front is a big deal.  For a $400 console, that is 25% more, hardly something to scoff at.  The 360 controller is far superior in my opinion to the DS3, but that's just my opinion.  There are many gamers that prefer the Dual Shock, and that doesn't take into account the fact that the PS4's new controller has been getting glowing reviews from the people who have handled it so far.  It isn't too farfetched to think that the gap could narrow(for those of us that prefer the 360 controller, that is).  To say that you don't understand how anybody would prefer a console that is at least marginally more powerful to the Xbox One, at a lower price point, without a potentially useless peripheral bundled in the box, is being intentional obtuse, or at least sarcastic.

That says nothing of the people that feel burned by MS's recent shenanigans.  Sure, they've backtracked, but I don't blame the people who won't touch the Xbone, be it for principled reasons, or just out of spite.

We also shouldn't forget about MS's Xbox Gold paywall, behind which are hidden features and apps that are free elsewhere, ie: Netflix.  And they still haven't said much about peripheral support, especially concerning racing wheels(which I am particularly curious about).
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 13, 2013, 06:57:01 PM
Kinect is useless.  You look at what MS has used it for and Wii Sports comes across as complex as Sid Meier's Civilization in comparison.  So paying $100 more for a worthless casual-focused gimmick controller is a big deal.  I don't understand why in this argument the onus is on the PS4 to prove itself when it's the one that's cheaper and didn't have a big PR disaster regarding locked out used games, always-online for single player games and an always on spy camera.  It's the "non-evil" console that costs $100 less.  The onus is on MS to not only establish trust with the consumer but also to demonstrate why a mandatory $100 purchase for a control scheme that has thus far been used for nothing but casual shovelware trash is worthwhile.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 13, 2013, 07:25:53 PM
The PlayStation 3 never convinced me to buy games for it, so at least for me the PlayStation 4 has failed to convince me to get it. I loved the Xbox 360, and Microsoft saying Kinect won't be required has eliminated the final thing about Xbox One that made me not want to get it. I had no objection to the idea of Kinect, I just never used it because I never had room for it.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 13, 2013, 07:32:08 PM
The DualShock 4 still has the same basic design the DualShock always has, which is NOT a good thing. Sony is determined to never have a good controller it seems.
the thing with the very basic dualshock design is it isn't a crime to all of humanity. it is a controller that as time moved on began to need a large number of little refinements. if the ps3 controller had better triggers and the long since due grip redesign then i think it would get alot less hate. the ps4 controller seems to address these concerns with the (many) tweaks that have been made to its design to the point that unless you are fundamentally opposed to symmetrical analog sticks we are looking at what based on first impressions(people who have actually used the controller and have a much more substantial opinion on the matter) may be one of the greatest controllers we have yet in terms of erogonomics.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/25/battlefield-4-designer-explains-superiority-of-dualshock-4-over-ps3-and-360-controller-mocks-the-fanboys/ (http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/25/battlefield-4-designer-explains-superiority-of-dualshock-4-over-ps3-and-360-controller-mocks-the-fanboys/)
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 13, 2013, 07:35:48 PM
also
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Games use Kinect in a variety of amazing ways from adding voice to control your squad mates to adding lean and other simple controls beyond the controller to full immersive gameplay. That said, like online, the console will still function if Kinect isn’t plugged in, although you won’t be able to use any feature or experience that explicitly uses the sensor.
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You have the ability to completely turn the sensor off in your settings. When in this mode, the sensor is not collecting any information. Any functionality that relies on voice, video, gesture or more won’t work. We still support using it for IR blasting in this mode. You can turn the sensor back on at any time through settings, and if you enter into a required Kinect experience (like Kinect Sports Rivals for instance), you’ll get a message asking if you want to turn the sensor back on in order to continue.
so tj whats this about the full xbox experience
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 13, 2013, 07:39:47 PM
My main problem with the DualShock is the Playskool design of shapes for the buttons. But I also just like how the Xbox 360 controller feels. I honestly love how the Xbox 360 controller feels. Way Betty than any Sony controller ever did.
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Post by: Adrock on August 13, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
At this point I cant see why someone would buy the PlayStation 4 instead of the Xbox One unless $100 upfront is that big of a deal.
As far as I'm concerned, that makes all the difference. $100 is almost two games. Microsoft spent the months following the Xbox One reveal turning it into a Playstation 4, except they're still forcing people to buy a camera most probably don't want. I mean, I get why they're including it (even if it's no longer mandatory), but that still doesn't mean anyone really wants one.

Playstation 4 is still the better choice (admittedly, I'm still not getting one). If I were to get an Xbox One, I probably wouldn't even take Kinect out of the box. Ever. At this point, I don't really trust Microsoft anyway. The crap they tried to push onto consumers before everyone called shenanigans on them is kind of scary to say the least. Back away not today, Disco Lady.
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Post by: broodwars on August 13, 2013, 08:00:02 PM
You cant read, can you? The Xbox One doesnt require Kinect. Also, the games shown are the same. And almost all third party games will be the same. So same games, and the Xbox One has a superior controller.

And Sony has far superior 1st party software, and more varied 1st party software for that matter. Until Microsoft steps up their 1st party/exclusive offerings, the Xbone doesn't have much for me. Like I said, Microsoft hasn't given me a reason to WANT an Xbone yet. I don't dislike the console like I did before, but I have no reason to buy one.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 13, 2013, 08:48:56 PM
I just not got the joke in the title of this thread.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 13, 2013, 09:44:30 PM
i honestly think that the NSA leaks heavily influenced Microsofts decision on this.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 13, 2013, 10:25:54 PM
MS doesn't have to sell me on the system, they have to sell me on Kinect. The PS4 has a bunch of BS features that I'll never use. Even the most practical one, downloading parts of games before others, is only kinda useful to me IF I decide to download a game and IF I wanna play it right then. I'll reserve judgement on the controller until I can hold one. I heard good things about the DS3 and never liked it. If it were a game of controllers, MS would win, hands down.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2013, 10:39:19 PM
If it were a game of controllers, MS would win, hands down.




They would win you. Not everyone.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 13, 2013, 11:18:29 PM
I think they'd win a lot, honestly. I know there's a whole generation raised on the dualshock and plenty of people who like it more. I just think more people would lean the other way.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2013, 11:27:13 PM
I guess. Still having a a battery pack is possibly the dumbest mistake they could have done. If the Wii U Pro Controller can get 80 hours on a single charge (which I can vouch for), why can't they do the same?
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Post by: nickmitch on August 13, 2013, 11:31:30 PM
Good question. My theory is that MS makes too much on the rechargeable battery packs.

Hell, I have a ton of rechargeable batteries from owning 4 Wiimotes, a balance board, an Xbox 360 controller, and an electric toothbrush. It's nice to have to need so many anymore, but I like having them around just in case. I also have trouble throwing them away. So, I like the option.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2013, 11:35:09 PM
T_T


Microsoft and Nintendo have you whipped.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 13, 2013, 11:43:02 PM
Nintendo, yes. I don't deny this.

MS, no. I knew more people with a 360, so that prompted my purchase of one more than anything.
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Post by: azeke on August 13, 2013, 11:51:52 PM
Messing with rechargeable batteries is so annoying.

Huge clutter to manage and they lose charge so fast.

On actual topic: it's definitely a good thing that Microsoft changes their policies for the better. But i'm equally uninterested in all launch titles coming from both MS or Sony, so that doesn't make much of a difference.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 14, 2013, 04:07:22 AM
At this point I cant see why someone would buy the PlayStation 4 instead of the Xbox One unless $100 upfront is that big of a deal.

To spin that around, I can't see why someone would think the Xbox One is worth $100 more than the PS3 when it has worse hardware, forces you to buy Kinect even if you don't want to, and the company has no coherent message and appears to be making it up as they go along.
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Post by: Adrock on August 14, 2013, 07:17:51 AM
Microsoft had a coherent message; it just sucked and no one liked it. Right now, their message is essentially: "JK LOL! Never mind all that stuff we said before. Xbox One is the same as Playstation 4. Buy our console plz."
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 14, 2013, 08:43:18 AM
They had a coherent message before that was terrile, true, but right now their message changes every few days. I'd argue the latter is just as bad as the former. If I'm going to pay $500 on something that's usefulness and quality are heavily dependent on what happens over the next half a decade, I want the company steering that ship to have some semblance of a solid plan.
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Post by: Adrock on August 14, 2013, 09:14:53 AM
I agree. Obviously, Microsoft had no idea their Xbox One policies would be near-universally panned so they panicked and scrambled to undo the damage albeit a little late. They've been reversing their policies slowly for months when it should have been days. E3 should have been the latest those policies stood. That's probably the most damaging part. His close to launch they should know what Xbox One is supposed to be.

Still, I think changing those crummy policies was in their best interest even if it makes them look desperate, foolish, and unprepared. $500 is a lot of money; $500 for something people balked would have killed the product.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 14, 2013, 09:24:28 AM
The system is undeniably better for the policy reversals, but I and a lot of other people have lost a lot of confidence in the ability of Microsoft to competently run its gaming division. Sure, the system is less terrible now, but it still lacks something that makes it worth $100 more than the PS4.

I suppose now that Kinect is optional there's a decent chance they make one more 180 and announce a SKU without it for $400. Then we'd have ourselves a ballgame.
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Post by: Adrock on August 14, 2013, 09:49:32 AM
I don't think a Kinect-free SKU is ever coming only because Microsoft wants people to use it (regardless of whether anyone ever does now) and making it an optional purchase severely limits its reach. It'd be similar (though less drastic) to Nintendo ever releasing a Wii U SKU without the GamePad. Far fewer people will own one if it's not in the same box as the console.

I think there's a better chance of Microsoft eventually just eating part or all of the cost. Not ideal, but it's the only way they can get Kinect into every home with Xbox One and stay competitive with PS4. They overestimated how much anyone wants Kinect so they're going to have to pay for it, literally and figuratively.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 14, 2013, 10:09:55 AM
There isn't a ton of crossover between the kind of people who want to play games using Kinect and the kind if people willing to pay $500 for a game console at or near its launch. Kinect was a success because it came late enough in the 360's life that the system was relatively cheap and had a vast software lineup. I know Microsoft wants to force this thing as a standard, but it's going to hurt them, at least in the short term.
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Post by: magicpixie on August 14, 2013, 04:03:59 PM
So this is something:

http://news.xbox.com/2013/08/xbox-one-confirmed-markets

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At E3, we announced that Xbox One would be available in 21 markets around the world at launch

I think everybody remembers the head of Xbox in Japan calling Japan a "Tier 2" market.  Later:

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...in order to meet demand, we have adjusted the number of markets that will receive Xbox One in November to 13 markets, including Australia, Austria, Brazil, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Spain, United Kingdom, United States and New Zealand, in November.

Not really a huge deal, I guess.  In the long run, it's good business to ensure that your product is available to markets where it is most in demand.  I would imagine that MS has checked the preorder numbers for their various markets and have based their decision on those numbers.  They go on to say:

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We remain committed to launching Xbox One in Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Norway, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland, as soon as possible in 2014

That rounds out the original list of 21 launch markets.  Interesting that there is no hard-date for additional launches.  MS is offering a free game for those who have preordered before today in those 8 countries, which is a nice olive branch.
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Post by: Phil on August 14, 2013, 05:58:48 PM
It's like Microsoft has no faith in their own product so they keep changing it up. If Microsoft doesn't even have a consistent vision in their new platform, why should I spend money on it?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 14, 2013, 06:11:10 PM
Xbone's motto should be "Ok, will you buy one if we do this instead?"
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Post by: Shaymin on August 14, 2013, 06:59:53 PM
Tossup: More likely to be the free game? Killer Instinct or Hexic?
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Post by: Wah on August 14, 2013, 08:25:49 PM
MS doesn't have to sell me on the system, they have to sell me on Kinect. The PS4 has a bunch of BS features that I'll never use. Even the most practical one, downloading parts of games before others, is only kinda useful to me IF I decide to download a game and IF I wanna play it right then. I'll reserve judgement on the controller until I can hold one. I heard good things about the DS3 and never liked it. If it were a game of controllers, MS would win, hands down.
Still think that microsoft is better! :Q
Got to admit that they make darn good computers but they can't make consles for sh*t.
Ps4 gonna kick there butt! :P:
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Post by: MagicCow64 on August 16, 2013, 04:22:01 AM
I saw a rumor floating around somewhere that MS is also considering a Kinect-less SKU to compete with the PS4 on price. No idea how valid that is, and I can't find the source at the moment, but this Forbes articles is doing some mighty assured "speculating":

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/08/13/microsoft-stares-down-their-last-xbox-one-hurdle-499/

My guess is that they'll stick to their guns for launch, but after disappointing numbers and the general realization that Kinect still sucks, they'll release a cheaper blind SKU.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 16, 2013, 06:02:57 AM
I imagine they make more money at $500 with Kinect than they would at $400 without it. It'll stay mandatory at launch when there's enough demand to sustain that and then they'll add the other SKU next summer when the sales begin to falter.
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Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2013, 10:48:11 AM
A Kinect Sku is not going to happen for a while.  For Kinect to be more then just a Glorified Microphone it needs to be with all the systems.  Much like if the Gamepad once to be used everyone must have one.

PS4 is the Purest for lack of better term of the console in terms of accessories this time.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2013, 12:40:53 PM
They need to make up their fucking minds. I have no idea what they want or what their goal is.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 12:46:31 PM
Microsoft is getting rid of gimmicks and stupid requirements, leaving a pure gaming system with a great controller and games. I don't see the confusion.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2013, 01:05:46 PM
But it's just that: they made that **** a BIG deal. But now they've gotten rid of it. And after they said that they will have Kinect in all Xone SKUs, and now that may not be true either? All of their original ideas from E3 are gone, so what exactly is their goal?


What I'm trying to say is, they probably haven't given up on what they set out to do with the Xone. They will probably introduce a feature that people don't like once they buy the thing.
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Post by: toddra on August 16, 2013, 01:08:09 PM
I want Microsoft to success only because I don't want Windows to go away, but I was turned off from the Xbox One from day one. All this turning around and changing their minds is confusing but I doubt any of it is enough to undo the damage. I think they need to just leave things as is for now and see how the market reacts, changing things based on pre-order numbers is absurd, didn't Wii U have healthy pre-order numbers also?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
Their goal, as is the goal of EVERY system EVER, is to sell as many systems as possible and make good games. Since when has any system had a different "goal"? I don't see the PlayStation 4's "goal". Without all those anti-consumer things, there is now no reason to not get the Xbox One unless you can't afford it.
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Post by: toddra on August 16, 2013, 01:14:02 PM
Price, that is all for me, the reason I never got a PS3 was it was too expensive, even now what six years in it still isn't down to where it should have launched at. At least with PS4 it is launching at a fair price for what it is, but this last generation really was just too much money at first.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2013, 01:15:25 PM

Their goal, as is the goal of EVERY system EVER, is to sell as many systems as possible and make good games. Since when has any system had a different "goal"? I don't see the PlayStation 4's "goal". Without all those anti-consumer things, there is now no reason to not get the Xbox One unless you can't afford it.

Their goal, as is the goal of EVERY system EVER, is to sell as many systems as possible and make good games. Since when has any system had a different "goal"? I don't see the PlayStation 4's "goal". Without all those anti-consumer things, there is now no reason to not get the Xbox One unless you can't afford it.


No **** do they want to make money. But every console has another goal besides that. Their goal, before they changed it, was to become the main device in everyone's living room. This was their goal for the 360, but they kind of failed in that regard. Now, what the hell is their goal.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 01:17:35 PM
Again, what "goals"? What is the PS4's "goal"? I have yet to see one. Almost no system has ever had a goal. The only one I can recall was the Xbox with the goal being to stop Sony from taking over the living room.

And they have made it clear they want the Xbox One to be THE entertainment device for your house, it's why they have spent a good amount of time on both games and TV/movies for it.
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Post by: toddra on August 16, 2013, 01:22:01 PM
PS4's goal is to be the king of your living room, one device to do everything. Microsoft's goal is as it has always been, to spy on you by any means available to them and sell it to the highest bidder. MS just screwed up and made their intentions too obvious this time.

Neither are in the video game business to "make money" off their gaming machines, they have always had secondary goals attached to that, they use gaming as a gateway to their secondary goals. MS wants Windows on every device in your house, Sony wants to make every device in your house.

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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 01:26:36 PM
Um, spy on you? With every bit of their software you could browse privately. And last time I checked, it was SONY who spied on people (selling over 22 million CDs from 2005-2007 that installed spyware on your computer and sent the info back to them). Frankly, I would trust my info with Microsoft than I ever would with Sony.
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Post by: broodwars on August 16, 2013, 01:28:00 PM
Their goal, as is the goal of EVERY system EVER, is to sell as many systems as possible and make good games. Since when has any system had a different "goal"? I don't see the PlayStation 4's "goal". Without all those anti-consumer things, there is now no reason to not get the Xbox One unless you can't afford it.

Or, you know, you actually care about good 1st party exclusives that aren't shooters with a side of shooters and an extra helping of shooters.  ::)   As I've said before, Microsoft needs to step up their game (so to speak) when it comes to 1st party software, because right now I don't think they have anything that looks even as promising as Infamous: Second Son.  There are some titles on the Xbone that could be potentially cool like Quantum Break, but not enough to convince me that Microsoft cares about its internal games development.  Even their big 3rd party exclusive Titanfall isn't an Xbone exclusive, so if I want it I'll just buy the 360 version.
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Post by: toddra on August 16, 2013, 01:42:14 PM
Um okay, so neither can be trusted that doesn't change their plans. And I never heard anyone defend Microsoft for privacy before so...
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Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2013, 02:15:22 PM
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Microsoft's goal is as it has always been, to spy on you by any means available to them and sell it to the highest bidder.
...
That's really harsh and completely untrue.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 16, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
I just enjoy the cavalcade of failure that is the XBone. It's a trainwreak that keeps on giving.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 16, 2013, 04:39:37 PM
I just enjoy the cavalcade of failure that is the XBone. It's a trainwreak that keeps on giving.
its like grabbing a few friends and watching 4 easy cpus run around like idiots in mario party
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Post by: magicpixie on August 16, 2013, 04:40:43 PM
I think the "goals" of the consoles are really just how people are attributing the directions that the two companies seemed to be focused on.  MS's initial reveal was well-received by the mainstream press, but panned by the hardcore gaming audience.  Sony's initial reveal was, not opposite, but was received rather well by the hardcore audience.  I don't think anyone really believes that Sony isn't in this game for the same reasons MS is, which is obviously profitability and maintaining/expanding their foothold in the living room.

But it was reassuring to see Sony, pretty much from day one, seemingly pay lip service to all the periphery features of their console and preach to the base.  I think MS's miscalculation is that they expected the excitement for those periphery features to carry the casuals and "non-gamers" to purchase their console, completely ignoring the history of the Xbox and Xbox 360.  Those consoles were not built on the casual/non-gamer markets, but with the support of the "hardcore" market that built up a lot of goodwill.  Over time, as they added more functionality to the 360, the base grew and included people that wanted an easy streaming/netflix solution at a time when not many existed.  At that point, the 360 probably had been through a price drop or two, which would have made the purchase more palatable, too.

What MS tried to do with the Xbone, was get the casuals to buy-in from day one, which is pretty much antithetical to being a casual.  Casuals may have liked the features provided by the Xbone, but they probably didn't like the $499 price tag.  And paying for access to paying for services like Netflix is no longer an option when so many devices are currently available that do it for free, with more on the way(PS3 is one of the top devices according to many articles).  And that doesn't even account for the fact that casuals were just as likely to have heard news of the Xbone from a friend/family member who fits more into the traditional console market as they were to hear it from a press event/news release.  And if the hardcore market was sour to the taste of the initial Xbone reveals, they probably wouldn't speak highly of the console.

As casuals go, once that word of mouth gets out, it's incredibly difficult to stop.  After all of these 180s, how much of the good word is getting out to them.  Heck, how many in the traditional markets soured to the initial reveals and just wrote MS off and haven't bothered to give them a second thought?  How many have just soured to MS altogether this gen with the negative press surrounding their Surface tablets, Windows 8, and now the Xbone mishandling?

MS, imo, built a system for the traditional gaming market, but decided that they no longer wanted to primarily serve that market.  In that respect, they are no different than the handful of publishers that seem to have shifted their focus from console/handheld gaming to the mobile arena.  What they have found is that the two markets are not quite ready to be merged, and they are now scrambling to court the traditional markets.  In this regard, they are very similar to Nintendo, who, with the Wii U, discovered that the casual market is fickle and fleeting and that casuals really couldn't care less for videogames.

Disclaimer: The above post was pulled entirely out of my ass with little regard for things like fact and reality.  This is how I've interpreted MS's actions over the course of the Xbone launch rollout.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 04:42:16 PM
Um, except this is more like it was a train wreck months ago but every week it's been fixing itself and getting back on track. Ever since E3 it's been nothing but good news about the system. Meanwhile, there has been more bad news about the PS4. Honestly, every week Microsoft gives more reasons to get the Xbox One. It's making me happy to see more reasons for people NOT to buy a PlayStation 4.
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Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2013, 04:55:53 PM
I can't think of anything major with the PS4.  We knew Multiplayer was going be behind a Pay Wall like Live and the 3GBs of RAM for the OS (which I do believe is very wasteful since that's more than Windows and it has to handle ton of 3rd party junk and varying hardware.)

On the flipside I can't really think of anything Major on the good side either.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 16, 2013, 05:04:44 PM
http://www.xblafans.com/xbox-one-launch-delayed-in-eight-markets-70173.html (http://www.xblafans.com/xbox-one-launch-delayed-in-eight-markets-70173.html)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2046507/xbox-one-controller-will-work-on-pcs-but-not-until-next-year.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2046507/xbox-one-controller-will-work-on-pcs-but-not-until-next-year.html)

bad news
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Check-In atleast once every 24hrs!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 05:21:17 PM
Xbox One controller not working on PCs til next year is not bad news for the XBOX ONE. It only affects PC users. BTW, I have not seen ANY indication the DualShock 4 will EVER work on PCs. So that point of yours is 100% moot.

As for the other work, that is bad news but does not affect the actual system itself.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 16, 2013, 05:28:06 PM
oh and did i forget http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573 (http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573)
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Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
The only reason I see that the XBox One controller isn't going to work on PC is that they expect their to be a shortage.  I'm fairly sure that the controller itself worked on the PC before it worked on the XBox One itself.  They'll release the driver to the general public once they now they have the supply.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 05:34:25 PM
oh and did i forget http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573 (http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573)

Someone STILL bitching about the cost of Xbox Live is supposed to be bad news? Nothing has changed on that, it's just another blogger whining (though he goes on to praise the actual service itself). Really, don't embarrass yourself with that post. If you are going to try and post bad "news", post news and not a whiny blog about the price of Live.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 16, 2013, 05:46:48 PM
oh and did i forget http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573 (http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573)

Someone STILL bitching about the cost of Xbox Live is supposed to be bad news? Nothing has changed on that, it's just another blogger whining (though he goes on to praise the actual service itself). Really, don't embarrass yourself with that post. If you are going to try and post bad "news", post news and not a whiny blog about the price of Live.
tj, i think you need to take some lessons in reading comprehension. hes complaining about xbox live gold being required for things like netflix

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What is it, exactly, that you're getting with Xbox Live Gold? The right to access services that you already pay for. That's $96 each for Netflix and Hulu Plus, $125 for MLB, $79 for Amazon Prime, and on and on down the line. It's like booking a hotel room and being charged separately to sleep on the bed. It's a cover for a club you already paid dues for. And Microsoft is literally the only company that does it....
....But it's not the gaming value that's at issue; just leave the services we're already paying for—that, again, literally everyone else in this business offers for free—out of it. Especially when your direct competition is doing just that.

Yep, that's right. While the PS4 doesn't offer nearly as robust a streaming content offering as the Xbox One, its masters did have the common sense to continue offering its video apps for free, even as it introduced an online multiplier monthly fee. You might not feel satisfaction with Sony, but at least you'll feel respect.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 16, 2013, 05:48:56 PM
So, what's this mythical bad news the PS4 is suppose to have I haven't heard about? Do have sources or are you doing the usual?

Sony hasn't said much sincee E3 as they knocked it out of the park and haven't had to change a thing. Sony isn't the one playing catch up, MS is.

Xbox live has always been a joke outside the console space. Paying for multiplayer outside of MMO's is some sort of weird madness. Also, TVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVDOG.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 16, 2013, 05:53:53 PM
im curious about this bad news as well. i haven't been keeping up with the ps4 as well as i should(too busy watching the xbone burn) so i would love to hear about this bad news you speak of, do enlighten me
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 06:06:08 PM
oh and did i forget http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573 (http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573)

Someone STILL bitching about the cost of Xbox Live is supposed to be bad news? Nothing has changed on that, it's just another blogger whining (though he goes on to praise the actual service itself). Really, don't embarrass yourself with that post. If you are going to try and post bad "news", post news and not a whiny blog about the price of Live.
tj, i think you need to take some lessons in reading comprehension. hes complaining about xbox live gold being required for things like netflix

pokepal, do you have reading comprehension? My point still stands. And that blogger gets the point wrong. A more apt comparison would be like Xbox Live Gold being the cover charge for a club and the services the cost of drinks. Yes some clubs have a cover charge, doesn't make them a less good deal than the ones which don't. Especially when Live is better.

And pokepal watching the Xbox One "burn" makes me laugh since they have been improving the system non-stop for several months now.
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Post by: magicpixie on August 16, 2013, 06:17:56 PM
Paying for what amounts to a glorified matchmaking service is asinine.  But I did so for most of my time with the 360, and will do so for the PS4(granted, the PS+ service has other benefits).  Hopefully Xbone's cloud service will rectify that with dedicated servers for the most popular games(no additional cost, please).

Also, the Xbone delay is bad news, no other way to spin it.  It is probably necessary given preorder numbers that none of us are privy to(probably).  But, I'll reserve judgment on that issue until we get a firm date for the PS4 launch.  Let's not forget that there was a story that came out a while ago, where Sony said that they were holding back units(from who I don't know) in order to help satisfy demand at launch.  Console launches don't always go smoothly, we should all know that by now.  Of course, if Sony manages a worldwide launch with solid numbers, it would be a tremendous blow to MS.

When both consoles are on equal footing, I think MS carries the advantage simply for people wanting to stay together through Xbox Live.  Strangely enough, I think Sony has the most momentum coming out of this gen since they've continued to support the PS3 through this last year with titles like Ni No Kuni, The Last of Us, and upcoming titles like Puppeteer, and Beyond: Two Souls.  I'm not sure if that will have any carryover effect into next gen.  I feel like it has had an effect on the competition between 360 and PS3 in the late stages of this gen, but I have no way(read: I am too lazy to look it up) to corroborate that.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 16, 2013, 06:37:20 PM
oh and did i forget http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573 (http://gizmodo.com/xbox-live-gold-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ripoffs-in-t-513093573)

Someone STILL bitching about the cost of Xbox Live is supposed to be bad news? Nothing has changed on that, it's just another blogger whining (though he goes on to praise the actual service itself). Really, don't embarrass yourself with that post. If you are going to try and post bad "news", post news and not a whiny blog about the price of Live.
tj, i think you need to take some lessons in reading comprehension. hes complaining about xbox live gold being required for things like netflix

pokepal, do you have reading comprehension? My point still stands.
so your point still stands just because you say it does, no evidence of any sort to prove your point, you just get to prance around, say your still right and thats that. Tj i don't think the world works that way.
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And that blogger gets the point wrong. A more apt comparison would be like Xbox Live Gold being the cover charge for a club and the services the cost of drinks. Yes some clubs have a cover charge, doesn't make them a less good deal than the ones which don't.
except as mentioned in the article both clubs have that same cover charge. the difference is that the ps4 club lets you get your drinks regardless.
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Especially when Live is better.
fanboyish statements do not matter here
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And pokepal watching the Xbox One "burn" makes me laugh since they have been improving the system non-stop for several months now.
they may have doused the fire but the forest is still scorched. microsoft has lost consumer trust and has failed to present a constant brand image. 500$ is still steep compared to the PS4 and nobody wants kinect. there are very few people who would see the xbone as a stronger value then the ps4.

although maybe those sources of yours may prove otherwise :smug:
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 06:46:46 PM
The blogger complaining about something that has been going on for YEARS is somehow bad news for Xbox One according to you, that was obviously my point.

And the tiny fire has since been put out and the forest is pristine again.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 16, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
The blogger complaining about something that has been going on for YEARS is somehow bad news for Xbox One according to you, that was obviously my point.
it is something that will ultimately come back to haunt them and i suspect that will happen quite soon.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/ps4-online-apps-chat-no-playstation-plus-subscription-required-6C10786626 (http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/ps4-online-apps-chat-no-playstation-plus-subscription-required-6C10786626)
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And the tiny fire has since been put out and the forest is pristine again.
but the damage still exists. microsoft may have overturned their policies but they have yet to regain consumer trust and when your console is 100$ more expensive then your competition thats a problem.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2013, 07:23:31 PM
It has not come back to haunt them yet. Xbox Live subscribers still dwarf PSN subscribers.

And they may not have earned back YOUR trust, but you are not all gamers. Hell, after E3 I had zero intention of ever getting a Xbox One despite LOVING the Xbox 360. But since then they have eliminated all of the reasons I didn't want one. I still don't plan to get it until a price cut, but I do plan to get it now. Sony has yet to give me any reason to buy a PS4 until it gets down to 200 (if then).
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 16, 2013, 10:05:58 PM
So, what's this mythical bad news the PS4 is suppose to have I haven't heard about? Do have sources or are you doing the usual?
i think we can safely assume those sources came from the magical land of make believe and regard them as such.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 17, 2013, 04:19:56 PM
well, tj's gone, anybody else gonna make some sad attempt to defend the xbone?
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Post by: toddra on August 17, 2013, 06:26:05 PM
Well to be honest I never owned any Xbox console and so far this one is not looking like it will change my mind. I wouldn't mind picking up a used 360 but the first one is a joke, there is nothing on it I can't get elsewhere that I would ever play.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 17, 2013, 07:08:59 PM
I won't defend the Xbox One, but nothing that you linked to has been "bad" news. The launch was on the aggressive side to begin with. I'm not sure any console had as wide a launch as MS was proposing. The controller thing? Come on, you know **** like that takes time, and it's a secondary function of the device. At least they said they're working on it. Also, I don't see how someone's opinion is bad "news". People still feel the same about Xbox Live now as they did about it before? Well, there's a shocker, especially since it's changed so much over the years.

Both sides of the conversation were annoying and stupid.
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Post by: Wah on August 18, 2013, 08:37:14 PM
OR JUST POSTING RANDOM MEMES LIKE THIS!!!
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Post by: Wah on August 18, 2013, 08:38:16 PM
SHARES A RESEMBLENCE DOEM'T IT!
Xbox one is dead end of story!
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Post by: Oblivion on August 18, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
OR JUST POSTING RANDOM MEMES LIKE THIS!!!


That...




I don't know what that image macro even means. What message is it trying to say?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 18, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
You obviously aren't keeping up with the latest Voldemort/Osama Bin Laden crossover memes...
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 18, 2013, 09:45:14 PM
SHARES A RESEMBLENCE DOEM'T IT!
Xbox one is dead end of story!
not quite, its in better shape then the PS3 was at 599$
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Post by: magicpixie on August 19, 2013, 07:02:43 PM
Some more rumours via GAF and CVG:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/425218/cvg-sources-microsoft-to-reveal-major-third-party-game-comes-free-with-xbox-one/

MS has signed a deal with a major third party publisher to include a free game with each Xbone sold in EU.  The article barely mentions the US, but I'd imagine it would be included if this turns out to be true.  Gaffers are speculating the title to be FIFA '14, which would be huge in Europe, but I'm not sold on that.

I don't like the attitude that MS seems to have, where they think money can solve all their problems.  If this is true, it would go a long way toward alleviating those last few lingering doubts that some people may have concerning the Xbone rollout.  I just have this ominous feeling that this moneyhatting that MS seems to be engaged in, is an extension of the difficulties surrounding the industry today: too much money is at stake, and the only motivation to make games is to make money, rather than make a good game.
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Post by: toddra on August 19, 2013, 07:31:22 PM
but it has always been that way, it is a business not a charity.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 19, 2013, 07:32:09 PM
Lots of money is what got MS in the game in the first place. I pretty sure it can solve most of their problems.
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Post by: magicpixie on August 19, 2013, 08:22:34 PM
Yeah, I know, but the idealist in me doesn't want to know that they're spending $1,000,000,000 on games for Xbone.  Moneyhats are slowly strangling the life out of the Madden series since it went exclusive EA.  People complain about how the industry has stagnated(mostly in the AAA space), I worry if the attitude that MS is displaying will just encourage more of that.

Ultimately, I know money makes the world go round.  Money makes the games I love to play.  I really wish MS could show as much enthusiasm for games as they have for fantasy football, and a cable box pass-through.  For me, ever since the first reveal, my interpretation of MS's actions has been that they have put games and gamers on the back-burner.  "Hey look at our UI! SNAP! TV! Fantasy Football! Games?  Oh, don't worry about that, we threw a bunch of money at some devs..."  It's been a poor campaign from the start, imo, when a company can spend one billion dollars on development and people like me still can't get over that other stuff.  It just feels like an afterthought to me.

That's just me, though.  I realize I may be totally off my rocker on this.
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Post by: toddra on August 19, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
A free pack in game would go a long ways to getting me to buy any console. I miss the days of pack ins being standard. I know it wasn't always that way but it worked once upon a time. Not that there is anything MS can do to convince me to get an Xbox One at this point I am still wrestling with getting Wii U or PS4 and I can only get one this holiday and then maybe another a year latter. But a pack in game, not Fiffa, would go a long ways to getting me interested. Also bringing the price down a bit wouldn't hurt either.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 19, 2013, 08:52:39 PM
Yeah, I know, but the idealist in me doesn't want to know that they're spending $1,000,000,000 on games for Xbone.  Moneyhats are slowly strangling the life out of the Madden series since it went exclusive EA.  People complain about how the industry has stagnated(mostly in the AAA space), I worry if the attitude that MS is displaying will just encourage more of that.

Moneyhats didn't ruin Madden. A lack of competition did. The big budget, AAA, annualized series market will crash eventually. Or rather, the returns will diminish so that instead of a new Call of Duty every year, it'll be more like 18 months. That's mostly the same thing. Right?
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 19, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
But money does fix the majoity of problems and there's a reason why microsoft is moneyhatting so much stuff. If were being honest if Windows phone and 8 would have launched around the same time as android and ios I think those would have been in first place. Even then Microsoft has carved out a pretty decent #3 platform. (distant number three at that, plus they need to wife up Nokia).


Either you have enough money to get into a market (microsoft or samsung) or you happen to snowball an early lead.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 19, 2013, 08:57:37 PM
Yeah, I know, but the idealist in me doesn't want to know that they're spending $1,000,000,000 on games for Xbone.  Moneyhats are slowly strangling the life out of the Madden series since it went exclusive EA.  People complain about how the industry has stagnated(mostly in the AAA space), I worry if the attitude that MS is displaying will just encourage more of that.

Moneyhats didn't ruin Madden. A lack of competition did. The big budget, AAA, annualized series market will crash eventually. Or rather, the returns will diminish so that instead of a new Call of Duty every year, it'll be more like 18 months. That's mostly the same thing. Right?


Nope, because it won't happen. This already happens anyway with the alternating call of duty series. Blacks ops 2 sold like crazy, but I doubt ghost does as well (similar to MW3), and next years game done by the black ops team will sell like crazy.


But i'm expecting to see games follow the model destiny is supposed to be having which is tweak on the Call of Duty model. Game relases yearly but even year releases will be essentially expansion packs. (ODST to Halo 3).
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Post by: Wah on August 19, 2013, 09:00:27 PM
Hey guys look at my new threads please!! ;)
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Post by: nickmitch on August 19, 2013, 09:03:26 PM
Yeah, the CoD strategy works because it has two teams on two year cycles, and not one team on a one year cycle. I just can't believe nobody is burned out on that series yet.
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Post by: Wah on August 19, 2013, 09:04:45 PM
True i am getting sick of it. Micth look at my THREADS please... :'(
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Post by: magicpixie on August 19, 2013, 09:06:56 PM
I'm kind of hoping more teams take cues from Blood Dragon earlier this year.  It was different enough from Far Cry 3 to be considered a separate entity, but it reused enough assets to allow for a short turnaround time and vastly reduced development costs.  From what I understand, the game was successful enough to warrant an iteration.

Destiny seems like the riskiest new IP of next gen so far, if the rumours that were floating around earlier are true.  Then again, those rumours were sparked by Cliffy B, so who knows how valid they are.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 19, 2013, 09:09:13 PM
True i am getting sick of it. Micth look at my THREADS please... :'(

Did you get new clothes? That's weird. You look naked to me.
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Post by: Wah on August 19, 2013, 09:13:41 PM
MY FORUMS DUMBASS!!! :@
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Post by: magicpixie on August 20, 2013, 06:28:07 AM
Yup, FIFA 14 free with EU Xbone preorders, CoD Ghosts to have dedicated servers...  MS stepping up imo.  Sony has some work to do to regain momentum at Gamescom today, I'm hoping for big things.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 20, 2013, 09:00:57 AM
GFWL is now officially set to die and the celebrations begin (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/08/20/it-liiiiiiiiives-gfwl-perma-closing-next-july/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A RockPaperShotgun %28Rock%2C Paper%2C Shotgun%29).

I am quite happy for this to die as it was a real menace to one's computer. When it was working, it tries to bring the "Live" experience to the PC and that is so nonononono. Just awful. Not forgetting that before the launch of GFWL, they thought about charging for the service like they do on Xbox live and we collectively laughed them into submission.

Lets not do this ever again.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 20, 2013, 09:14:37 AM
Some Gamescom info came out and i'm leaning toward the Xbone again.


-Fifa 14 is free in Europe with pre-orders of the system. Exclusive Ultimate legends content.
-Call of Duty Ghosts has exclusive timed DLC, as well as dedicated servers.
-While Sony scooped up Watchdogs, microsoft is getting exclusive content and marketing for The Division.
-Self publishing announced (on par with sony with two free dev kits, plus next year the console its self can dev kit)


A new fucking Fable Game announced let's start this Hype Train.
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Press%20Kits/gamescom%202013%20Press%20Kit/Xbox%20One%20Games/Fable%20Legends/Gamescom_Legends03.jpg?h=538)




Lionhead has three teams known so far. The Fable I remake was down by the journey team, the Fable Legends is done by the heroes guys I think, and Fable IV will be announced next year.




-Max and the magic Marker coming to Xbox One
-Plants vs zombies gardan warfare pushed to 2014.
-Peggle 2 at xbox one launch
-Mojang's cobalt coming to Xbox one and 360.
-Fighter Within from ubisoft for launch
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Post by: Soren on August 20, 2013, 10:18:08 AM
Launch games:

Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag (Ubisoft, Ubisoft)
Battlefield 4 (DICE, Electronic Arts)
Call of Duty: Ghosts (Infinity Ward, Activision)
Crimson Dragon (Grounding/Land Ho!, Microsoft Studios)
Dead Rising 3 (Capcom Vancouver, Microsoft)
FIFA 14 (EA Sports, Electronic Arts)
Fighter Within (AMA Ltd., Ubisoft)
Forza Motorsport 5 (Turn 10 Studios, Microsoft Studios)
Just Dance 2014 (Ubisoft Paris, Ubisoft)
Killer Instinct (Double Helix, Microsoft Studios)
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes (TT Games, Warner Bros. Interactive)
Lococycle (Twisted Pixel, Microsoft Studios)
Madden NFL 25 (EA Sports, Electronic Arts)
NBA 2K14 (Visual Concepts, 2K Sports)
NBA LIVE 14 (EA Sports, Electronic Arts)
Need for Speed: Rivals (Ghost Games, Electronic Arts)
Peggle 2 (Popcap, Electronic Arts)
Powerstar Golf (Zoe Mode, Microsoft Studios)
Ryse: Son of Rome (Crytek, Microsoft Studios)
Skylanders: Swap Force (Vicarious Visions, Activision)
Watch Dogs (Ubisoft Montreal, Ubisoft)
Zoo Tycoon (Frontier Developments Ltd., Microsoft Studios)
Zumba Fitness: World Party (Zoë Mode, Majesco)
 
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 20, 2013, 10:46:00 AM
The blurb about self publishing,


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At gamescom today, we announced a new program for Xbox One, Independent Developers @ Xbox (ID@Xbox), which I am super excited to be part of. It’s a program we built based on feedback from over 50 developers which enables self-publishing of digital games on Xbox One. The program will offer developers access to development kits at no charge and an easy path for developers to build, publish and sell their games on Xbox One.[/size]Games that come through this program will be able to access the exact same features as any other large game company on Xbox One: Achievements, Gamerscore, Kinect, Xbox SmartGlass, Xbox cloud services and more. What’s also exciting is that these games will be available in the exact same marketplace (Xbox One Store) as every other game on Xbox One, making discovery for players easier by using all the curation and discovery tools that Xbox One will offer, including Spotlight, Trending, Recommendations and great social discovery with features like Game DVR and Upload.We’re really proud to offer this third path onto Xbox One for developers, and we’re excited to see what independent developers will bring to the system. At the same time, many independent developers will still want to work with a publisher, either Microsoft Studios or a third party, to bring their content to Xbox One. Publishers can provide support such as testing, QA, funding and marketing and promotion services. While some independent developers want to “do it themselves,” for others working with a publisher is the right decision, so they can focus 100 percent on the game itself. It all comes down to enabling developers to make the choice that makes the most sense for them. That’s ultimately what’s going to deliver the broadest and best games onto our platform for gamers.It’s also important to remember that our vision is that anyone will be able to create using Xbox One. Marc Whitten, Xbox Chief Product Officer, has said that eventually we’ll enable anyone to make games for Xbox One using their Xbox One console as a development solution. (In the meantime, there’s a super exciting product coming to Xbox One, Xbox 360 and Windows 8 for budding creators. It’s called “Project Spark” and anyone can make surprisingly deep interactive game content – you can even use Kinect in your projects!).At the end of the day, when you turn on your TV, we want Xbox One to have the broadest and most diverse content possible. Whether you’re in the mood for a big budget shooter, a contemplative side scroller, or something totally different that we can’t even imagine yet. The best way to deliver that experience is by doing what we’ve always done: making life easy for developers, as they do the hard work of creating fantastic game experiences for us all to enjoy.[/size]
The Link to register http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/developers/id (http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/developers/id)


So Microsoft is taking ques from both microsoft and Sony to have three ways to get games on the system.


-Self publishing is allowed like on the others but microsft is obviously pushing for getting pubs.
-You can go through publishers as well for the better marketing etc.
-If you publish through Microsoft games studio you get Unity for free.


-Doesn't matter how you go through it you get a free Xbox One and Kinect SDK, as well as having access to the full gambit of Xbox Features.


-For those who want to dabble there is project spark which is for the very simple consumer to build games.



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Post by: toddra on August 20, 2013, 11:10:39 AM
I am signing up, this would be great for my game.

Nevermind apparently this is not for first time developers.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 20, 2013, 12:28:04 PM
pricing for Killer Instinct was announced.


The Game can be downloaded for free and comes with Jango. All other characters are $5 a piece.


You can also buy two packs which are more full game type deals.


The Combo Breaker pack costs $20 and gives you the first eight characters. (6 at launch, and two afterward)


The Ultra Editon costs $40 and comes with all of that ( the two characters before launch) plus costumes and asseoriey packs, plus the original Killer Instinct arcade game.
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 20, 2013, 12:53:09 PM
I love how MS has bungled Killer Instinct.  Fans beg for it for years and they finally announce it but Rare isn't working on it.  And now it's using a free to play model.

A month from now they'll reveal that it controls exclusively with Kinect.  If you're going to poison a game's appeal with its intended audience you might as well go all the way.
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Post by: magicpixie on August 20, 2013, 04:17:20 PM
I first looked at the launch lineup and was kind of impressed.  Then I looked closer and realized that it's a lot of sports/shooter/ubisoft which will be multiplatform.  Still, the launch lineup isn't too shabby, and if Turn 10 could just come out and tell us what kind of wheels they'll support, I could easily make a decision!

And I agree that Killer Instinct's pricing model kind of sucks.  I was kind of worried about that, especially seeing how that Marvel game priced their content.  It will be interesting to see if more console games head in this direction, since PC gamers have largely embraced f2p.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 20, 2013, 05:50:21 PM
I love how MS has bungled Killer Instinct.  Fans beg for it for years and they finally announce it but Rare isn't working on it.  And now it's using a free to play model.

A month from now they'll reveal that it controls exclusively with Kinect.  If you're going to poison a game's appeal with its intended audience you might as well go all the way.


You seem to be lacking any sort of comprehension or not even following the game


-The game isn't free to play. The demo is but you can also outright buy the game which I posted right above you.


-Rare isn't working on it dirctly but a few members of rare like ken lobb are working on it.


-despite Rare not working on it the game is getting lots of press for being good and Double Helix is also getting good press on strider.
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 20, 2013, 06:20:10 PM
Isn't this model Free to Play?  You can get it for free but to unlock other stuff you pay for it.  Isn't that what "Free to Play" means?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 20, 2013, 06:26:14 PM
It is free-to-play, but you can buy the game outright instead of all the microtransactions, which most free-to-play games don't offer as an option.
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Post by: Wah on August 20, 2013, 11:34:06 PM
So you guys have gone back supporting Xbox"one"? that's nice!
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 21, 2013, 11:18:08 PM
So you guys have gone back supporting Xbox"one"? that's nice!


I was always planned to get one because as some people know I really like the Xbox. Plus Halo, Quantum Break, and a new Fable always meant i was going to jump in.


I just plan to go with the PS4/Vita for my main set up this gen.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 22, 2013, 02:13:33 AM
So Shingi is buying the XBone first and making it his primary? All is right in the world.

Broodwars is trying to fill the Sony fanboy slot now anyhow.
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Post by: broodwars on August 22, 2013, 02:19:26 AM
So Shingi is buying the XBone first and making it his primary? All is right in the world.

Broodwars is trying to fill the Sony fanboy slot now anyhow.

If you think I'm anyone's fanboy, you don't know me as well as you think you do.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 22, 2013, 02:30:19 AM
Yeah, yeah, you're indifferent about the Utah Jazz too ;)
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 22, 2013, 09:50:38 AM
huh the Jazz still exists.
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Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2013, 09:53:01 AM
Yeah, Broodwars you do come off as a Fanboy.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2013, 11:45:41 AM
So Shingi is buying the XBone first and making it his primary? All is right in the world.

Broodwars is trying to fill the Sony fanboy slot now anyhow.

If you think I'm anyone's fanboy, you don't know me as well as you think you do.

You're constantly negative about Nintendo and Microsoft, and only occasionally so toward Sony. I'm not sure that qualifies as "fanboy" but you certainly lean that way.
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Post by: broodwars on August 22, 2013, 12:00:04 PM
So Shingi is buying the XBone first and making it his primary? All is right in the world.

Broodwars is trying to fill the Sony fanboy slot now anyhow.

If you think I'm anyone's fanboy, you don't know me as well as you think you do.

You're constantly negative about Nintendo and Microsoft, and only occasionally so toward Sony. I'm not sure that qualifies as "fanboy" but you certainly lean that way.

You can be a "fan" about a company without being a "fanboy". Sony hasn't given me a reason to give them **** in a while, but there was a period on NFR over this past year where I was ragging on them every single show for like 2 months.  Sony screws up and pisses me off sometimes, but for the most part they're giving me the games I want at the price I want on the platforms I want.  3rd parties also don't run at the sight of them, unlike Nintendo. I wouldn't call that being a "fanboy".

Nintendo, meanwhile, very rarely provides the games I want; their software's often overpriced compared to their competitors'; and these days it feels like they barely support their consoles.  Whereas Sony has spent the last generation building the infrastructure to support their platforms with software by developing & acquiring studios worldwide, Nintendo has been determined to do...nothing.  Nintendo's constantly ****ing up because of self-imposed restrictions; a refusal to acknowledge the advancements other companies have made in the industry (particularly online features); and a very limited view of what gaming can be.

Yeah, I'm a fan of Nintendo, and have been since I got my NES back when I was 5 (and subsequently had Nintendo-only consoles up until the Wii). I always will be. They've been too big a part of my life.  But they're not the best gaming company in the industry anymore, and I'm not going to carry their water.  There are aspects of that company they need to fix, but they refuse to because their handheld division has allowed them to coast by on minimal effort.  I want Nintendo to become a better company. That's why I rag on them.

I have no attachment to Microsoft.  My 360 exists for Tales of Vesperia; Alan Wake; and a handful of XBLA titles.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 22, 2013, 02:22:11 PM
so if that 500$ bundle takes form WHY would you buy an xbone when you could get both current playstation consoles at the same price
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Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2013, 03:43:46 PM
so if that 500$ bundle takes form WHY would you buy an xbone when you could get both current playstation consoles at the same price
Theirs a rumored $500 bundle for Vita and PS4?  Then the extra $100 for the Memory Card.  Still too much.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2013, 03:54:39 PM
They cut the memory card prices when they cut the hardware price. Still more than they should be, but not as much.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 22, 2013, 04:17:59 PM
They cut the memory card prices when they cut the hardware price. Still more than they should be, but not as much.
but you're still getting two consoles for little more then the price of one.*
*spycam not included
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2013, 04:23:05 PM
For $500 you can either get an Xbox One and a Kinect or a PS4 and a Vita. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd say the latter is a far more attractive package.
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Post by: Wah on August 22, 2013, 10:29:07 PM
So you guys have gone back supporting Xbox"one"? that's nice!


I was always planned to get one because as some people know I really like the Xbox. Plus Halo, Quantum Break, and a new Fable always meant i was going to jump in.


I just plan to go with the PS4/Vita for my main set up this gen.
The best halo is on the pc: Combat evolved
-new custom maps (legit thousands)
-mods
-multiplayer is to die for
so yeah i'll stick with this thanks!
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Post by: toddra on August 23, 2013, 04:12:07 PM
You can pretty much say "the best ____" for Xbox is on the PC. This is why the console never appealed to me and I don't get how it can appeal to so many people. With Playstation you get real exclusives that don't say exclusive but mean exclusive content. With Nintendo well you know what you get there no need to rub it in. Right now three generations in a row Sony has been consistent Nintendo has been all over the place and Microsoft has just sorta been there.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 23, 2013, 09:26:22 PM
Halo isn't on Xbox. Plus theres a company mandate that Xbox One titles won't be going to PC. Its one of the reasons they killed games for windows live ad xbox for windows 8 is mobile games


MN announced an outreach program.


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We are excited to announce the Upload Outreach Program, an effort to attract creative minds from around the world to become a major part of the Upload experience.  Selected users will receive a brand new Xbox One, a [/size]1- year Xbox Live Gold membership and a selection of launch titles *, and will have the opportunity to collaborate closely with the Upload team to see their content show up within the Upload experience.  [/color]
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[/size]HOW TO PARTICIPATE:[/color][/size]Create a 1 minute video about any Xbox 360 or Xbox One game you love[/q]
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  • Upload it to the web so we can see it (use Youtube, Vimeo, or any public website we can access)
  • Send us the link to  (uploadvideo@microsoft.com)uploadvideo@microsoft.com[/email] by  (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=4&iso=20130915T1859&p1=179)September 15, 2013 18:59 ET[/url][/i][/size][/font]
  • [/size]IF YOU’RE SELECTED:[/color]
    [/size]We’ll notify you by email and you will receive:[/color][/size]An Xbox One
  • A 1-year Xbox Live Gold subscription
  • A selection of Xbox One Launch games*
  • The opportunity to collaborate with the Upload team
  • [/size][/color]
    [/size]Watch the video for more contest details or see Terms and Conditions (http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/uploadoutreach) [/l][/i][/size][/font]
    [/size]Think i'm going to make one for Fable once I get my phone back. Wish me luck. [/color]
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Post by: oohhboy on August 23, 2013, 10:03:56 PM
Steve Ballmer is on his way out. Set to retire in the next year (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-23-microsoft-boss-steve-ballmer-to-retire).

I suggest his replacement be Ben Afleck.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 23, 2013, 11:18:06 PM
Here's the full website.


http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/uploadoutreach (http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/uploadoutreach)


20 winners with the Prizes being.


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- Xbox One retail kit containing an Xbox One console, a Kinect sensor and an extra controller.[/size]- A year's Xbox Live gold account[/color]
[/size]- One copy of each of Xbox One game titles available at Launch date. The number and titles may vary.[/color]
[/size]- Future opportunities to create videos with the Upload development team[/color]
[/size]- Promotion of their content as they create it within Upload[/color]



Plus here's one of the upload studio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg7wpRpqzY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg7wpRpqzY4)



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Post by: shingi_70 on August 23, 2013, 11:19:40 PM
Here's the full website.


http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/uploadoutreach (http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/uploadoutreach)


20 winners with the Prizes being.

-One Xbox One retail kit.
-A copy of every launch game
-Future opportunities to team with the Upload development team. (pretty much what the Youtube pros get to do with that dev team.)

Plus here's one of the upload studio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg7wpRpqzY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg7wpRpqzY4)
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Post by: toddra on August 24, 2013, 12:04:54 AM
What do you mean Halo isn't on Xbox? Halo was the game that defined the Xbox.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 24, 2013, 01:22:44 AM
typo meant only on xbox.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2013, 02:41:15 AM
Steve Ballmer is on his way out. Set to retire in the next year (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-23-microsoft-boss-steve-ballmer-to-retire).

I suggest his replacement be Ben Afleck.

BATMAN! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT??? CHOWDAHEAD BATMAN!!!
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Post by: Wah on August 25, 2013, 09:03:31 PM
WATCH!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J5mkoCiuzs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J5mkoCiuzs)
 
 
Jontron show-star wars kinect
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 25, 2013, 10:10:56 PM
WATCH!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J5mkoCiuzs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J5mkoCiuzs)
 
 
Jontron show-star wars kinect
that has virtually nothing to do with the xbone.

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/battlefield-4-devs-microsoft-making-easy-choose-ps4/ (http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/battlefield-4-devs-microsoft-making-easy-choose-ps4/)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 25, 2013, 10:28:38 PM
It has everything to do with Xbone...you know, 'cause of Kinect...I guess. Now I've watch two or three in a row of that dude's videos, pretty funny stuff.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 25, 2013, 11:20:00 PM
Have some 180 LOL for the day.

(http://i.minus.com/i4h6NHo9L9T8G.gif)


(http://i.minus.com/ibhnBoJCvrvTRV.gif)


(http://i.minus.com/i15QOxxi7txT1.gif)
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Post by: Wah on August 26, 2013, 12:07:31 AM
WATCH!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J5mkoCiuzs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J5mkoCiuzs)
 
 
Jontron show-star wars kinect
that has virtually nothing to do with the xbone.

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/battlefield-4-devs-microsoft-making-easy-choose-ps4/ (http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/battlefield-4-devs-microsoft-making-easy-choose-ps4/)
just watch it before you decide if microsoft makes the "best tech"
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Post by: Wah on August 26, 2013, 12:09:04 AM
It has everything to do with Xbone...you know, 'cause of Kinect...I guess. Now I've watch two or three in a row of that dude's videos, pretty funny stuff.
Subscribe and watch everyone there all hirlious Like i've said before best game reviewer i've seen!(and i've seen a lot!)
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 27, 2013, 09:23:07 AM
Xbox One games are going to have special launch pre-order content.


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To commemorate the launch of Xbox One, Day One Editions are special game SKUs that include exclusive content and are available only through retail pre-order while supplies last, or via download on Xbox Live the first two weeks after launch.

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[/size]To commemorate the launch of Xbox One, Day One Editions are special game SKUs that include exclusive content and are available only through retail pre-order while supplies last, or via download on Xbox Live the first two weeks after launch.“Forza Motorsport 5” [/u]Day One Car Pack[/u]This three-car pack features amazing cars from Lamborghini, Audi, and Ford; each with a Day One-themed livery and custom tuning package created by the experts at Turn 10:2010 Audi TT RS Coupe: Stuffed stem to stern with modern tech, the TT RS is the first TT model to carry Audi’s famed RS badge – a distinction that’s earned on the track from the moment you step on the gas.2013 Ford Focus ST: Debuting with the same 247-hp 2.0-liter turbocharged EcoBoost engine from the much larger Ford Explorer SUV, the new Ford Focus ST packs a serious punch.2011 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera: Like great sculpture, the Superleggera’s chiseled form is carefully considered for maximum impact. That’s where the similarities end, however, because this work of art is best appreciated when it’s moving at top speed.[/size][/font][/color][/i]
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“Dead Rising 3” Day One Edition“Dead Rising” Tribute Pack featuring exclusive game content and bonus attribute perks.Classic Frank West outfit with Frank’s Zombie Slugger weapon, extra gory attacks and a custom skill move. Also includes attribute perks for increased melee damage and tougher survivors.Official Chuck Greene outfit with Paddle Saw combo weapon that cuts through zombie hordes with increased damage and durability. Also includes attribute perks for vehicle and weapon durability.
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To commemorate the launch of Xbox One, Day One Editions are special game SKUs that include exclusive content and are available only through retail pre-order while supplies last, or via download on Xbox Live the first two weeks after launch.“Forza Motorsport 5” [/u]Day One Car Pack[/u]This three-car pack features amazing cars from Lamborghini, Audi, and Ford; each with a Day One-themed livery and custom tuning package created by the experts at Turn 10:2010 Audi TT RS Coupe: Stuffed stem to stern with modern tech, the TT RS is the first TT model to carry Audi’s famed RS badge – a distinction that’s earned on the track from the moment you step on the gas.2013 Ford Focus ST: Debuting with the same 247-hp 2.0-liter turbocharged EcoBoost engine from the much larger Ford Explorer SUV, the new Ford Focus ST packs a serious punch.2011 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera: Like great sculpture, the Superleggera’s chiseled form is carefully considered for maximum impact. That’s where the similarities end, however, because this work of art is best appreciated when it’s moving at top speed.“Dead Rising 3” Day One Edition[/u]“Dead Rising” Tribute Pack featuring exclusive game content and bonus attribute perks.Classic Frank West outfit with Frank’s Zombie Slugger weapon, extra gory attacks and a custom skill move. Also includes attribute perks for increased melee damage and tougher survivors.Official Chuck Greene outfit with Paddle Saw combo weapon that cuts through zombie hordes with increased damage and durability. Also includes attribute perks for vehicle and weapon durability.“Ryse: Son of Rome” Day One Edition Exclusive Gladiator Mode Unlockables[/u]The Day One Edition of "Ryse: Son of Rome" will give players access to an exclusive Gladiator Mode Co-Op Multiplayer Map and an exclusive Sword add-on. Owners of the Day One Edition will be able to invite friends who own the Standard Edition to join them on the exclusive map.Legionnaire’s Trust Exclusive Sword: From the Brotherhood of Metalworkers high in the Swiss Alps comes this well-crafted, finely hammered blade that includes bonus in-game attributes.Ruins: Placing gladiators among the columns of an abandoned temple, Ruins will pit players against hordes of Barbarians, attacking from around every corner. The arena changes dynamically during gameplay, adding new obstacles and objectives for the player to encounter and overcome.[/font][/color][/i]
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Post by: oohhboy on August 27, 2013, 10:18:44 AM
Dude, you butchered your post.

Microsoft: Killer Instinct "the world's most generous demo" (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-27-microsoft-killer-instinct-the-worlds-most-generous-demo)

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Xbox One launch title Killer Instinct is "the world's most generous demo", Microsoft has said.

It is not a free-to-play game in the traditional sense, Ken Lobb, creative director of first-party published Xbox One games and the person GoldenEye's Klobb gun was named after, told Eurogamer in an interview at Gamescom.

Killer Instinct's launch plans and pricing were announced during the German show last week. The fighting game will launch alongside the Xbox One with up to six characters, depending on how many you buy.

You can download the game for free with Jago available but extra fighters cost £3.99 / €4.99 / $4.99 each. Alternatively, you can buy the Killer Instinct Combo Breaker pack, which includes six launch characters and will grant early access to two post-launch DLC fighters. This costs £16.99 / €19.99 / $.19.99.

Finally there's the Killer Instinct Ultra Edition, which Microsoft describes as "the best value" for fans. The Ultra Edition costs £34.99 / €39.99 / $39.99, and includes the six launch fighters, early access to the two DLC characters, accessory packs, extra costumes ("the characters look different. It's not just, we make their pants blue") and an emulated version of the original Killer Instinct arcade game.

MS really needs to learn how to shut the **** up. Every single person in marketing should be put to the proverbial sword for these endless fuckups. Not everything needs a spin, exspecially if you're already in the **** box.

It's not a demo, it's f2P with massive P. It doesn't even qualify as shareware given the lack of content playable OOB.
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Post by: UncleBob on August 27, 2013, 10:45:22 AM
Demo?  It's a full game!  Why, back in my day, fighting games only let you play as one dude. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlak-NInAaU)
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Post by: toddra on August 27, 2013, 01:45:35 PM
I almost feel bad for Microsoft with all their bad press, the worse they come off looking the better Nintendo will look in comparison though. But really Office and Windows is the only MS product I care about and lately even those aren't what they used to be. But then again it's not all bad press.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 27, 2013, 09:20:12 PM
I almost feel bad for Microsoft with all their bad press, the worse they come off looking the better Nintendo will look in comparison though. But really Office and Windows is the only MS product I care about and lately even those aren't what they used to be. But then again it's not all bad press.


Nah Microsoft has bad press and arguably after all the 180s stuff is looking good, Nintendo has the probkem that no one gives a **** in the first place,
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20130823%20Xbox%20One%20Infographic/XboxOne_controller_r2t5_dkn%20resize%202.png)
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20130826%20Cloud%20Infographic/XboxOne_CLOUD_OPTION1_r4t6_mg%20(1).png)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 27, 2013, 09:29:04 PM
Killer Instinct 3 will be stupid, but if you buy the Ultra version for $39.99 (total ripoff) you get an emulated version of the original Killer Instinct arcade game...of course you could just save your money and download U64Emu instead (for your PC or original Xbox)...


Edit - just noticed this was already posted. Meh. What a way to finally kill a franchise.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 27, 2013, 10:05:20 PM
Resurrected only to be killed again, almost seemingly out of spite.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 27, 2013, 11:48:23 PM
Killer Instinct 3 will be stupid, but if you buy the Ultra version for $39.99 (total ripoff) you get an emulated version of the original Killer Instinct arcade game...of course you could just save your money and download U64Emu instead (for your PC or original Xbox)...


Edit - just noticed this was already posted. Meh. What a way to finally kill a franchise.


How is it killing the franchise when the Game itself seems to be received very well, and you just pick up the $20 version.




Crazy Buttcoks is back with more on gaf and its been translated as.
apologies for being wrong about ps4 launch, he doesnt know sony as well as msft.
lots of customer service stuff points to xbone launching on nov 15th. (reps being called in, software being rolled out) there is some anti-phishing stuff.[/color]there is a marketplace for digital games on xbox.trash talking reddit and other haters
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Post by: Wah on August 27, 2013, 11:58:51 PM
NO MICROSOFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(apart from computers :D )
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 28, 2013, 12:33:41 AM
Microsft is live streaming the Halo Global Championship from Pax prime on Xbox Live. Its going to be Esports along with Xbox One stuff. They're also announcing something at Pax. My guesses are


-Spartan Ops season 2 stand alone game for Xbox One that leads into Halo 5 and has a H5 beta. (they really need a beta)
-New Halo Comics or book series.
-Halo TV update
-New non Halo game
-OS shown.


Halo Spartan Assault for Windows 8/Phone is getting its first update tommorow adding Operation Hydra.  It adds a new set of mission, five new achivements, and support for xbox 360 controllers.


Looks like the front runner to become the new Microsoft CEO is Steven Elop the current Ceo of Nokia.


(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/09/delorean2012-09-04-600.jpg)\


Dudes an ex-microsoft guy who left for nokia and got the comapny to abandon symbian for Windows Phone. Its been rumored for a while that microsoft wants to just nokia but they could be waiting for this Transition to take place.


Nokia has at least two more phones out this year and a Tablet. Probably one is the Phablet and the other one is probably going to be a mid-range 1020 for Tmo/Verizon. The Tablet is running Windows RT (smh?) and looks to be taking the lumia design big.





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Post by: oohhboy on August 28, 2013, 04:14:37 AM
Those two posters are MBA marketing speak at it's most obvious, not much different from those legit Viagra ads... So desperate to say something positive even the positives get spun into oblivion.

Is it just me or has Nokia been a small bit player in the market for years now since Blackberry stomped them who in turn got Appled.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 28, 2013, 09:20:05 AM
Those two posters are MBA marketing speak at it's most obvious, not much different from those legit Viagra ads... So desperate to say something positive even the positives get spun into oblivion.

Is it just me or has Nokia been a small bit player in the market for years now since Blackberry stomped them who in turn got Appled.


But Engadget says the xbox One controller is awesome.



Yeah they stick only with Windows Phone. I don't mind since they make the best phones on the market barring the iphone, and the close partnership they hopefully won't go the way of rim.
(http://cdn.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/field/image/2013/08/att_black_925_3.PNG?itok=NbYDfO8Q)
I hate how no one but google wats to out a decent priced off contract phone. I want a windows phone as a backup but the most afforable is a used 810 off of ebay.

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 28, 2013, 10:04:38 AM
Naturally Microsoft would hire the only guy to sell phones with their OS. Windows Phone has moved up to a MASSIVE 2.5% market share though.


Your opinion is once again defying the definition of an opinion...
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 28, 2013, 10:14:23 AM
This is late, and probably not the right thread, but I thought I'd argue that Ballmer stepping down as CEO is the best news to come out of Microsoft in years.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 28, 2013, 10:41:23 AM
They'll save money on janitors wiping up all his sweat too.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2013, 11:45:00 AM
NO MICROSOFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(apart from computers :D )

Kid, stop trolling.
 
Anyways, I've been reading a lot of good press about the Xbox One lately, now that all their backwards DRM policies are gone.
 
Project Spark looks to be the Kinect's first real killer app that has tons of potential for creative people (like me).
 
I'll wait for the Xbox One to drop to $300 (or less), because $500 is way too much for a game system. Obviously Microsoft didn't learn from Sony's pricing error back when the PS3 launched. And does no one remember the utter failure that was the 3DO?
 
The PS4's $400 price is still expensive, but it's a bit more palpable than $500.
 
 
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 28, 2013, 11:51:44 AM
Those two posters are MBA marketing speak at it's most obvious, not much different from those legit Viagra ads... So desperate to say something positive even the positives get spun into oblivion.

Is it just me or has Nokia been a small bit player in the market for years now since Blackberry stomped them who in turn got Appled.


But Engadget says the xbox One controller is awesome.



Yeah they stick only with Windows Phone. I don't mind since they make the best phones on the market barring the iphone, and the close partnership they hopefully won't go the way of rim.
(http://cdn.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/field/image/2013/08/att_black_925_3.PNG?itok=NbYDfO8Q)
I hate how no one but google wats to out a decent priced off contract phone. I want a windows phone as a backup but the most afforable is a used 810 off of ebay.

Hey man, I love my Windows Phone (Lumia 810). Amd there are a couple cheap (under $200) Windows Phones for AT&T GoPhone and (I think) Verizon prepaid.
 
But you get what you pay for when it comes to prepaid phones and plans. Crappy cellular service, poor-quality mid-range phones, etc.
 
Actually, I just remembered that T-Mobile has the Lumia 520 for around $150 off contract.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
NO MICROSOFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(apart from computers :D )

Kid, stop trolling.


No need to treat people like that. We're all equal here, no need to demean him because he's younger than you.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 28, 2013, 12:45:07 PM
I just changed the screen on a Lumia 520, it's a piece of crap.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 28, 2013, 12:49:22 PM
I just changed the screen on a Lumia 520, it's a piece of crap.

Well the 520 is the biggest example of entry level.
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Post by: toddra on August 28, 2013, 04:46:19 PM
NO MICROSOFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(apart from computers :D )

Kid, stop trolling.
 
Anyways, I've been reading a lot of good press about the Xbox One lately, now that all their backwards DRM policies are gone.
 
Project Spark looks to be the Kinect's first real killer app that has tons of potential for creative people (like me).
 
I'll wait for the Xbox One to drop to $300 (or less), because $500 is way too much for a game system. Obviously Microsoft didn't learn from Sony's pricing error back when the PS3 launched. And does no one remember the utter failure that was the 3DO?
 
The PS4's $400 price is still expensive, but it's a bit more palpable than $500.
 
 


The 3DO was different, it was priced at $700 dollars in 1993, that would be over a thousand dollars in today's money or damn near close to it. Also 3DO didn't have enough real support and far too many problems to get into here.  Microsoft isn't copying the PS3, the 360 launched at a $500 price point, people forget that because PS3 was even higher so they just think 360 had it made in the shade by being so cheap when in fact it wasn't exactly flying off shelves in it's first year either.



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Post by: shingi_70 on August 29, 2013, 07:22:31 PM
Wouldn't 3DO be more of an example of why steambox isn't feasible.

Looks like the LA studio has more than the Halo series in the works. Rumor is that Microsoft is going to fund/develop reboot of Blake's 7.

Microsoft added a Here's the facts section on the Xbox One page offering bullet points with a few being straight up bullshit.

Games
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The most awarded exclusives: 100 awards for exclusive games at E3 vs. 42 for PS4
The best Xbox platform exclusives: Halo, Titanfall, Dead Rising 3, Ryse: Son of Rome, Forza Motorsport 5, Sunset Overdrive1
First to get all Call of Duty: Ghosts downloadable content
First to get the Battlefield 4 Second Assault premium expansion pack
Our most precise, comfortable controller, with 40 innovations including Impulse Triggers2
Cinematic Realism, with gameplay that rivals a Hollywood blockbuster
Adaptive AI that learns to play like you and your friends2
Living Games that grow and evolve to bring you new challenges over time2
Buy, trade, loan, gift or sell any game disc, or purchase digitally and play within minutes
Suspend gameplay instantly and then resume right where you left off
Game and system updates can happen in the background
Controller auto-pairing, even when you hand it to a friend during a game

Multiplayer


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Better matchmaking: Smart Match finds you the right match and gives you more control
No jerks: extensive new reputation system helps keep annoying players out of your games
No waiting in lobbies: keep playing, watching TV or surfing the web while matches are set up
A service you can count on: 300,000 servers and more than a decade of experience in online multiplayer
Cloud-hosted games get a boost in performance and neutralize host advantage
Home Gold: anyone in your home can access most Xbox Live Gold benefits on your Xbox One, including multiplayer3
Capture your greatest game moments with Game DVR, and add your own creative touch with Upload Studio3
All new Achievements system with time-based, cross-game and community Challenges

Future
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Xbox One
Xbox One is built for the digital age using the latest technology and the power of the cloud
Thanks to the power of the cloud, Xbox One keeps getting better, so it grows with you over time
Kinect's voice and motion control make new game experiences possible
Use your Windows, iOS or Android tablet or phone to extend and control what’s playing on your Xbox One5
Sign in to any Xbox One to get your Home screen, digital games, content, profile and saves
The all new Kinect is at your command, with a 1080p HD camera, more precise motion tracking and a noise-isolating mic array
Imagine what game developers can do with the new Kinect
Turn on your Xbox One and TV with the sound of your voice, and then be signed in automatically
Controller, Kinect and Xbox SmartGlass technologies unlock new possibilities for developers so they can bring you more innovative games

A few other tidbits.

-Xbox Live Gold syncs across one and 360
-No cross platform chat between one/360 due the One's chat being based upon Skype.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 30, 2013, 09:10:24 AM
Xbox Live Marketplace is dead long live Xbox Games Store.
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Microsoft is rebranding the Xbox Live Marketplace as the Xbox Games Store ahead of the launch of its new console. The marketplace was originally a general-purpose store for the Xbox 360, offering games, videos, and other types of content. That's now all been separated out between the new Games Store and the existing Xbox Video Store and Xbox Music Store, making the name change more of a clarification than a newfound change of direction. Microsoft made the same change for the Windows Phone Marketplace about a year ago, leaving the term "marketplace" behind in favor of "store," which has become increasingly pervasive across the company's properties
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Warface from Crytek is coming to the 360 next year as a free to Gold game.
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Post by: toddra on August 30, 2013, 03:19:49 PM
wasn't live just their failed rebranding of MSN?
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 30, 2013, 11:16:40 PM
Maybe. I know after Xbox Live blew up they put the live branding on a few other things that didn't pan out.

Twisted Pixel reconfirmed Lococycle for Xbox One launch at $19.99.

Ken Lobb already confirmed the second season of characters for Killer instinct for next year (surprised that Double Helix or Microsoft haven't hired Max yet)

Crytek announced their free to play shooter Warface is coming to 360.

Halo 4 GOTY edition is coming out this year.

The Halo World championships this sunday night will be streamed on Twitch and Xbox Live. The version of Xbox live and smartglass will be intractable allowing users to vote for what new trailers they want to see.
   
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Post by: nickmitch on August 31, 2013, 12:00:53 AM
I think I liked the use of "market place". It feels like both parties in the transaction coming to a mutual space, whereas a "store" is somewhere I go to buy things. People are already there to sell sell me ****, I just showed up.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 01, 2013, 07:13:41 PM
watching the Halo World championship on twitch and having Megaran rapping over a halo soundtrack track is cringe worthy.




Red Vs Blue is always good even though I haven't watched any of the main series stuff and only stick to the shorts.


esports is eports is esports. Kind of wish MLG still did Halo.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 01, 2013, 07:44:31 PM
-So the free character for Killer Instinct is switched out according to an interview at the Halo event.


Also I hate the xbox live community. They're letting users vote on which trailers to watch and these guys pick Battlefield 4 instead of Titanfall.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 01, 2013, 08:42:57 PM
lol cod with mechs
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 01, 2013, 09:13:00 PM
But have you seen it. Next year is the year of the "insert game here" with mechs.


Final Match of the Halo GC ended in a tie and they're readying the tie-breaker match. This has been a pretty good tournament starting in July and this was the first production by Xbox Live La and its been really great. Makes me want to go play some Halo.


I think if Microsoft is able to do small scale tournaments while having bigger ones each season they could revive Halo as a competitive game, and do the same for Forza and Killer Instinct.


Proably do a beta tournament for Halo 5 to hype the multiplayer up.



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Post by: Oblivion on September 01, 2013, 10:56:21 PM
Of course I've seen it. I'm not living under I rock; I can google something and/or look it up on youtube. And I stand by what I said: Call of Duty with mechs.


I don't see any other next gen game with mechs like you say. Destiny, B4, CoD:G, etc all have their thing but Titanfall is an Infinity Ward game with mechs.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 01, 2013, 11:30:44 PM
Of course I've seen it. I'm not living under I rock; I can google something and/or look it up on youtube. And I stand by what I said: Call of Duty with mechs.


I don't see any other next gen game with mechs like you say. Destiny, B4, CoD:G, etc all have their thing but Titanfall is an Infinity Ward game with mechs.

Brah Have you seen Titanfall is a meme. I was joking.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 02, 2013, 09:48:22 AM
Is Xbone the next Phantom? Battlefield 4 on Xbox during PAX Prime...still running on a PC.

http://www.behindgames.com/big-disappointment-battlefield-4-running-pc-xbox-one-controller-pax-prime/ (http://www.behindgames.com/big-disappointment-battlefield-4-running-pc-xbox-one-controller-pax-prime/)
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 02, 2013, 11:30:31 PM
A few games were on the xboxne with others on actual hardware. I'm not suprised since a E3 EA/MS showed off battlefield running on PC with Xbone controllers.


Tagently related but Microsoft just bought Nokia giving them an internal hardware manufactur (and killing whatever surface phone was out). Makes sense as Nokia had been the driving force between windows phone and invested a lot in Microsoft's ecosystem.


Will be weird seeing two differnt tablet brands from one company now.


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Microsoft Corporation and Nokia Corporation today announced that the Boards of Directors for both companies have decided to enter into a transaction whereby Microsoft will purchase substantially all of Nokia's Devices & Services business, license Nokia's patents, and license and use Nokia's mapping services.[/size]Under the terms of the agreement, Microsoft will pay EUR 3.79 billion to purchase substantially all of Nokia's Devices & Services business, and EUR 1.65 billion to license Nokia's patents, for a total transaction price of EUR 5.44 billion in cash. Microsoft will draw upon its overseas cash resources to fund the transaction. The transaction is expected to close in the first quarter of 2014, subject to approval by Nokia's shareholders, regulatory approvals and other closing conditions.Building on the partnership with Nokia announced in February 2011 and the increasing success of Nokia's Lumia smartphones, Microsoft aims to accelerate the growth of its share and profit in mobile devices through faster innovation, increased synergies, and unified branding and marketing. For Nokia, this transaction is expected to be significantly accretive to earnings, strengthen its financial position, and provide a solid basis for future investment in its continuing businesses."It's a bold step into the future - a win-win for employees, shareholders and consumers of both companies. Bringing these great teams together will accelerate Microsoft's share and profits in phones, and strengthen the overall opportunities for both Microsoft and our partners across our entire family of devices and services," said Steve Ballmer, Microsoft chief executive officer. "In addition to their innovation and strength in phones at all price points, Nokia brings proven capability and talent in critical areas such as hardware design and engineering, supply chain and manufacturing management, and hardware sales, marketing and distribution.""We are excited and honored to be bringing Nokia's incredible people, technologies and assets into our Microsoft family. Given our long partnership with Nokia and the many key Nokia leaders that are joining Microsoft, we anticipate a smooth transition and great execution," Ballmer said. "With ongoing share growth and the synergies across marketing, branding and advertising, we expect this acquisition to be accretive to our adjusted earnings per share starting in FY15, and we see significant long-term revenue and profit opportunities for our shareholders.""For Nokia, this is an important moment of reinvention and from a position of financial strength, we can build our next chapter," said Risto Siilasmaa, Chairman of the Nokia Board of Directors and, following today's announcement, Nokia Interim CEO. "After a thorough assessment of how to maximize shareholder value, including consideration of a variety of alternatives, we believe this transaction is the best path forward for Nokia and its shareholders. Additionally, the deal offers future opportunities for many Nokia employees as part of a company with the strategy, financial resources and determination to succeed in the mobile space.""Building on our successful partnership, we can now bring together the best of Microsoft's software engineering with the best of Nokia's product engineering, award-winning design, and global sales, marketing and manufacturing," said Stephen Elop, who following today's announcement is stepping aside as Nokia President and CEO to become Nokia Executive Vice President of Devices & Services. "With this combination of talented people, we have the opportunity to accelerate the current momentum and cutting-edge innovation of both our smart devices and mobile phone products."Nokia has outlined its expected focus upon the closing of the transaction in a separate press release published today.TERMS OF THE AGREEMENTUnder the terms of the agreement, Microsoft will acquire substantially all of Nokia's Devices and Services business, including the Mobile Phones and Smart Devices business units as well as an industry-leading design team, operations including all Nokia Devices & Services-related production facilities, Devices & Services-related sales and marketing activities, and related support functions. At closing, approximately 32,000 people are expected to transfer to Microsoft, including 4,700 people in Finland and 18,300 employees directly involved in manufacturing, assembly and packaging of products worldwide. The operations that are planned to be transferred to Microsoft generated an estimated EUR 14.9 billion, or almost 50 percent of Nokia's net sales for the full year 2012.Microsoft is acquiring Nokia's Smart Devices business unit, including the Lumia brand and products. Lumia handsets have won numerous awards and have grown in sales in each of the last three quarters, with sales reaching 7.4 million units in the second quarter of 2013.As part of the transaction, Nokia is assigning to Microsoft its long-term patent licensing agreement with Qualcomm, as well as other licensing agreements.Microsoft is also acquiring Nokia's Mobile Phones business unit, which serves hundreds of millions of customers worldwide, and had sales of 53.7 million units in the second quarter of 2013. Microsoft will acquire the Asha brand and will license the Nokia brand for use with current Nokia mobile phone products. Nokia will continue to own and manage the Nokia brand. This element provides Microsoft with the opportunity to extend its service offerings to a far wider group around the world while allowing Nokia's mobile phones to serve as an on-ramp to Windows Phone.Nokia will retain its patent portfolio and will grant Microsoft a 10-year non-exclusive license to its patents at the time of the closing. Microsoft will grant Nokia reciprocal rights to use Microsoft patents in its HERE services. In addition, Nokia will grant Microsoft an option to extend this mutual patent agreement in perpetuity.In addition, Microsoft will become a strategic licensee of the HERE platform, and will separately pay Nokia for a four-year license.Microsoft will also immediately make available to Nokia EUR 1.5 billion of financing in the form of three EUR 500 million tranches of convertible notes that Microsoft would fund from overseas resources. If Nokia decides to draw down on this financing option, Nokia would pay back these notes to Microsoft from the proceeds of the deal upon closing. The financing is not conditional on the transaction closing.Microsoft also announced that it has selected Finland as the home for a new data center that will serve Microsoft consumers in Europe. The company said it would invest more than a quarter-billion dollars in capital and operation of the new data center over the next few years, with the potential for further expansion over time.NOKIA LEADERSHIP CHANGESNokia expects that Stephen Elop, Jo Harlow, Juha Putkiranta, Timo Toikkanen, and Chris Weber would transfer to Microsoft at the anticipated closing of the transaction. Nokia has outlined these changes in more detail in a separate release issued today.[/color]



[/size]Its probably the push the windows phone team needs as the two intergrates, [/color][/size][/font]
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Post by: Ceric on September 03, 2013, 09:05:42 AM
A few games were on the xboxne with others on actual hardware. I'm not suprised since a E3 EA/MS showed off battlefield running on PC with Xbone controllers.


Tagently related but Microsoft just bought Nokia giving them an internal hardware manufactur (and killing whatever surface phone was out). Makes sense as Nokia had been the driving force between windows phone and invested a lot in Microsoft's ecosystem.


Will be weird seeing two differnt tablet brands from one company now.


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Microsoft Corporation and Nokia Corporation today announced that the Boards of Directors for both companies have decided to enter into a transaction whereby Microsoft will purchase substantially all of Nokia's Devices & Services business, license Nokia's patents, and license and use Nokia's mapping services. Under the terms of the agreement, Microsoft will pay EUR 3.79 billion to purchase substantially all of Nokia's Devices & Services business, and EUR 1.65 billion to license Nokia's patents, for a total transaction price of EUR 5.44 billion in cash. Microsoft will draw upon its overseas cash resources to fund the transaction. The transaction is expected to close in the first quarter of 2014, subject to approval by Nokia's shareholders, regulatory approvals and other closing conditions.Building on the partnership with Nokia announced in February 2011 and the increasing success of Nokia's Lumia smartphones, Microsoft aims to accelerate the growth of its share and profit in mobile devices through faster innovation, increased synergies, and unified branding and marketing. For Nokia, this transaction is expected to be significantly accretive to earnings, strengthen its financial position, and provide a solid basis for future investment in its continuing businesses."It's a bold step into the future - a win-win for employees, shareholders and consumers of both companies. Bringing these great teams together will accelerate Microsoft's share and profits in phones, and strengthen the overall opportunities for both Microsoft and our partners across our entire family of devices and services," said Steve Ballmer, Microsoft chief executive officer. "In addition to their innovation and strength in phones at all price points, Nokia brings proven capability and talent in critical areas such as hardware design and engineering, supply chain and manufacturing management, and hardware sales, marketing and distribution.""We are excited and honored to be bringing Nokia's incredible people, technologies and assets into our Microsoft family. Given our long partnership with Nokia and the many key Nokia leaders that are joining Microsoft, we anticipate a smooth transition and great execution," Ballmer said. "With ongoing share growth and the synergies across marketing, branding and advertising, we expect this acquisition to be accretive to our adjusted earnings per share starting in FY15, and we see significant long-term revenue and profit opportunities for our shareholders.""For Nokia, this is an important moment of reinvention and from a position of financial strength, we can build our next chapter," said Risto Siilasmaa, Chairman of the Nokia Board of Directors and, following today's announcement, Nokia Interim CEO. "After a thorough assessment of how to maximize shareholder value, including consideration of a variety of alternatives, we believe this transaction is the best path forward for Nokia and its shareholders. Additionally, the deal offers future opportunities for many Nokia employees as part of a company with the strategy, financial resources and determination to succeed in the mobile space.""Building on our successful partnership, we can now bring together the best of Microsoft's software engineering with the best of Nokia's product engineering, award-winning design, and global sales, marketing and manufacturing," said Stephen Elop, who following today's announcement is stepping aside as Nokia President and CEO to become Nokia Executive Vice President of Devices & Services. "With this combination of talented people, we have the opportunity to accelerate the current momentum and cutting-edge innovation of both our smart devices and mobile phone products."Nokia has outlined its expected focus upon the closing of the transaction in a separate press release published today.TERMS OF THE AGREEMENTUnder the terms of the agreement, Microsoft will acquire substantially all of Nokia's Devices and Services business, including the Mobile Phones and Smart Devices business units as well as an industry-leading design team, operations including all Nokia Devices & Services-related production facilities, Devices & Services-related sales and marketing activities, and related support functions. At closing, approximately 32,000 people are expected to transfer to Microsoft, including 4,700 people in Finland and 18,300 employees directly involved in manufacturing, assembly and packaging of products worldwide. The operations that are planned to be transferred to Microsoft generated an estimated EUR 14.9 billion, or almost 50 percent of Nokia's net sales for the full year 2012.Microsoft is acquiring Nokia's Smart Devices business unit, including the Lumia brand and products. Lumia handsets have won numerous awards and have grown in sales in each of the last three quarters, with sales reaching 7.4 million units in the second quarter of 2013.As part of the transaction, Nokia is assigning to Microsoft its long-term patent licensing agreement with Qualcomm, as well as other licensing agreements.Microsoft is also acquiring Nokia's Mobile Phones business unit, which serves hundreds of millions of customers worldwide, and had sales of 53.7 million units in the second quarter of 2013. Microsoft will acquire the Asha brand and will license the Nokia brand for use with current Nokia mobile phone products. Nokia will continue to own and manage the Nokia brand. This element provides Microsoft with the opportunity to extend its service offerings to a far wider group around the world while allowing Nokia's mobile phones to serve as an on-ramp to Windows Phone.Nokia will retain its patent portfolio and will grant Microsoft a 10-year non-exclusive license to its patents at the time of the closing. Microsoft will grant Nokia reciprocal rights to use Microsoft patents in its HERE services. In addition, Nokia will grant Microsoft an option to extend this mutual patent agreement in perpetuity.In addition, Microsoft will become a strategic licensee of the HERE platform, and will separately pay Nokia for a four-year license.Microsoft will also immediately make available to Nokia EUR 1.5 billion of financing in the form of three EUR 500 million tranches of convertible notes that Microsoft would fund from overseas resources. If Nokia decides to draw down on this financing option, Nokia would pay back these notes to Microsoft from the proceeds of the deal upon closing. The financing is not conditional on the transaction closing.Microsoft also announced that it has selected Finland as the home for a new data center that will serve Microsoft consumers in Europe. The company said it would invest more than a quarter-billion dollars in capital and operation of the new data center over the next few years, with the potential for further expansion over time.NOKIA LEADERSHIP CHANGESNokia expects that Stephen Elop, Jo Harlow, Juha Putkiranta, Timo Toikkanen, and Chris Weber would transfer to Microsoft at the anticipated closing of the transaction. Nokia has outlined these changes in more detail in a separate release issued today.
Its probably the push the windows phone team needs as the two intergrates,
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Check-In atleast once every 24hrs!
Post by: Ceric on September 03, 2013, 09:09:58 AM
A few games were on the xboxne with others on actual hardware. I'm not suprised since a E3 EA/MS showed off battlefield running on PC with Xbone controllers.


Tagently related but Microsoft just bought Nokia giving them an internal hardware manufactur (and killing whatever surface phone was out). Makes sense as Nokia had been the driving force between windows phone and invested a lot in Microsoft's ecosystem.


Will be weird seeing two differnt tablet brands from one company now.


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Microsoft Corporation and Nokia Corporation today announced that the Boards of Directors for both companies have decided to enter into a transaction whereby Microsoft will purchase substantially all of Nokia's Devices & Services business, license Nokia's patents, and license and use Nokia's mapping services. Under the terms of the agreement, Microsoft will pay EUR 3.79 billion to purchase substantially all of Nokia's Devices & Services business, and EUR 1.65 billion to license Nokia's patents, for a total transaction price of EUR 5.44 billion in cash. Microsoft will draw upon its overseas cash resources to fund the transaction. The transaction is expected to close in the first quarter of 2014, subject to approval by Nokia's shareholders, regulatory approvals and other closing conditions.Building on the partnership with Nokia announced in February 2011 and the increasing success of Nokia's Lumia smartphones, Microsoft aims to accelerate the growth of its share and profit in mobile devices through faster innovation, increased synergies, and unified branding and marketing. For Nokia, this transaction is expected to be significantly accretive to earnings, strengthen its financial position, and provide a solid basis for future investment in its continuing businesses."It's a bold step into the future - a win-win for employees, shareholders and consumers of both companies. Bringing these great teams together will accelerate Microsoft's share and profits in phones, and strengthen the overall opportunities for both Microsoft and our partners across our entire family of devices and services," said Steve Ballmer, Microsoft chief executive officer. "In addition to their innovation and strength in phones at all price points, Nokia brings proven capability and talent in critical areas such as hardware design and engineering, supply chain and manufacturing management, and hardware sales, marketing and distribution.""We are excited and honored to be bringing Nokia's incredible people, technologies and assets into our Microsoft family. Given our long partnership with Nokia and the many key Nokia leaders that are joining Microsoft, we anticipate a smooth transition and great execution," Ballmer said. "With ongoing share growth and the synergies across marketing, branding and advertising, we expect this acquisition to be accretive to our adjusted earnings per share starting in FY15, and we see significant long-term revenue and profit opportunities for our shareholders.""For Nokia, this is an important moment of reinvention and from a position of financial strength, we can build our next chapter," said Risto Siilasmaa, Chairman of the Nokia Board of Directors and, following today's announcement, Nokia Interim CEO. "After a thorough assessment of how to maximize shareholder value, including consideration of a variety of alternatives, we believe this transaction is the best path forward for Nokia and its shareholders. Additionally, the deal offers future opportunities for many Nokia employees as part of a company with the strategy, financial resources and determination to succeed in the mobile space.""Building on our successful partnership, we can now bring together the best of Microsoft's software engineering with the best of Nokia's product engineering, award-winning design, and global sales, marketing and manufacturing," said Stephen Elop, who following today's announcement is stepping aside as Nokia President and CEO to become Nokia Executive Vice President of Devices & Services. "With this combination of talented people, we have the opportunity to accelerate the current momentum and cutting-edge innovation of both our smart devices and mobile phone products."Nokia has outlined its expected focus upon the closing of the transaction in a separate press release published today.TERMS OF THE AGREEMENTUnder the terms of the agreement, Microsoft will acquire substantially all of Nokia's Devices and Services business, including the Mobile Phones and Smart Devices business units as well as an industry-leading design team, operations including all Nokia Devices & Services-related production facilities, Devices & Services-related sales and marketing activities, and related support functions. At closing, approximately 32,000 people are expected to transfer to Microsoft, including 4,700 people in Finland and 18,300 employees directly involved in manufacturing, assembly and packaging of products worldwide. The operations that are planned to be transferred to Microsoft generated an estimated EUR 14.9 billion, or almost 50 percent of Nokia's net sales for the full year 2012.Microsoft is acquiring Nokia's Smart Devices business unit, including the Lumia brand and products. Lumia handsets have won numerous awards and have grown in sales in each of the last three quarters, with sales reaching 7.4 million units in the second quarter of 2013.As part of the transaction, Nokia is assigning to Microsoft its long-term patent licensing agreement with Qualcomm, as well as other licensing agreements.Microsoft is also acquiring Nokia's Mobile Phones business unit, which serves hundreds of millions of customers worldwide, and had sales of 53.7 million units in the second quarter of 2013. Microsoft will acquire the Asha brand and will license the Nokia brand for use with current Nokia mobile phone products. Nokia will continue to own and manage the Nokia brand. This element provides Microsoft with the opportunity to extend its service offerings to a far wider group around the world while allowing Nokia's mobile phones to serve as an on-ramp to Windows Phone.Nokia will retain its patent portfolio and will grant Microsoft a 10-year non-exclusive license to its patents at the time of the closing. Microsoft will grant Nokia reciprocal rights to use Microsoft patents in its HERE services. In addition, Nokia will grant Microsoft an option to extend this mutual patent agreement in perpetuity.In addition, Microsoft will become a strategic licensee of the HERE platform, and will separately pay Nokia for a four-year license.Microsoft will also immediately make available to Nokia EUR 1.5 billion of financing in the form of three EUR 500 million tranches of convertible notes that Microsoft would fund from overseas resources. If Nokia decides to draw down on this financing option, Nokia would pay back these notes to Microsoft from the proceeds of the deal upon closing. The financing is not conditional on the transaction closing.Microsoft also announced that it has selected Finland as the home for a new data center that will serve Microsoft consumers in Europe. The company said it would invest more than a quarter-billion dollars in capital and operation of the new data center over the next few years, with the potential for further expansion over time.NOKIA LEADERSHIP CHANGESNokia expects that Stephen Elop, Jo Harlow, Juha Putkiranta, Timo Toikkanen, and Chris Weber would transfer to Microsoft at the anticipated closing of the transaction. Nokia has outlined these changes in more detail in a separate release issued today.
Its probably the push the windows phone team needs as the two intergrates,
Soooo Wondering what the time to NGage X is ...
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 03, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Microsoft detailed a few of the sports apps for Xbox one.

NFL
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Tailored for you, the NFL on Xbox One will deliver the best of the NFL, in a way that will completely reimagine the way you experience football from the comfort of your home.  Only Xbox One can bring interactivity to live games, stats, scores, highlights and your NFL.com Fantasy Football team all together on the best screen in the house – your TV. Xbox One will personalize your NFL experience, for your team, with the best content the NFL has to offer including NFL.com, NFL Network, and NFL RedZone.  Whether you’re watching the game or not, Xbox One makes it easy to keep tabs on the league with Snap mode. You can watch live TV, play games, or watch movies, while simultaneously tracking your NFL.com Fantasy Football team, or checking in for the latest scores and stats. 

While you’re watching at home, Surface technology is in the stadium, on the sidelines to help protect your favorite players.  Teams and trainers will implement use of the X2 concussion testing application this season to quickly diagnose potential player concussions immediately after leaving the playing field with the help of Surface tablets, helping quickly determine if they can get back in the game or call it a day.

ESPN
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We are also excited to announce ESPN on Xbox One, which builds on our innovations with ESPN on Xbox 360, and provides you with the best of ESPN networks and web content personalized just for you.  Featuring deeper sports content personalization, ESPN on Xbox One gives you immediate access to the teams and sports you care about most.  With WatchESPN, ESPN.com, and ESPN3 video content, you get the best highlights, live events and on-demand sports in full screen mode.  Additionally, you will receive personalized scores and stats in Snap mode from the most popular sports.



The NFL one is kind of useless if you don't have cable. You'd think they'd start opening up for say $100 a year.

The NFL fantasy app is out on 360 today and it has what looks like the first ad for
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Post by: pokepal148 on September 03, 2013, 08:45:13 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/09/03/xbox-one-external-storage-not-supported-at-launch-says-major-ne/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/09/03/xbox-one-external-storage-not-supported-at-launch-says-major-ne/)
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 03, 2013, 09:57:15 PM
That sucks for the media heavy guys, but 500GB should be enough for games and if you aren't using an app (Xbox Video, Amazon, Vudu) the system supports both DLNA and Micracast.

Microsoft is having a a back to school sale on Live with a lot of good looking deals. While not as good as steam or PS+ Microsoft has came a long way when it comes to sales. (getting rid of funny money helps a lot)

Gold deal of the week
Call of Duty: Classic- $10.04
Call of Duty 2-$14.99
Call of Duty 3-$14.99
Call of Duty World at War- $14.99
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare -$14.99
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2- $19.99
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3- $29.99
Call of Duty: Black Ops-$29.99
Call of Duty: Black Ops II-$39.99

Back to School


Awesomenauts - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
Beyond Good & Evil - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
Blacklight: Tango Down - 2.50$ (200msp) (was 5$)
Castlevania: HoD - 3.74$ (300msp) (was 15$)
Castlevania: SOTN - 2.50$ (200msp) (was 10$)
Dungeon Defenders - 7.50$ (600msp) (was 15$)
From Dust - 7.50$ (600msp) (was 15$)
Hard Corps: Uprising - 3.75$ (300msp) (was 15$) Buy the game after playing the demo for bonus in-game credit
Hydro Thunder Hurricane - 7.50$ (600msp) (was 15$)

I Am Alive - 7.50$ (600msp) (was 15$)
Jeremy McGrath's Offroad - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
Karateka - 2.50$ (200msp) (was 5$)
Mercury Hg - 2.50$ (200msp) (was 5$)
--Heavy Elements - 1.50$ (120msp) (was 3$)
--Rare Earth Elements - 1.50$ (120msp) (was 3$)
Monaco: What's Yours is Mine - 7.50$ (600msp) (was 15$)
Motocross Madness - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
Perfect Dark - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
Puzzle Quest 1 - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
Quarrel - 2.50$ (200msp) (was 5$)
Rayman 3 HD - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
Rocket Knight - 3.74$ (300msp) (was 15$)
Sacred Citadel - 7.50$ (600msp) (was 15$)
Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
Serious Sam Double D XXL - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
Swarm - 2.50$ (200msp) (was 5$)
Toy Soldiers: Cold War - 7.50$ (600msp) (was 15$)

Angry Birds Trilogy - 20$ (1600msp) (was 40$)

Ass Creed 3 - 30$ (2400msp) (was 40$)
--The Betrayal - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
--The Infamy - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
--The Redemption - 4$ (320msp) (was 8$)

Dead Space 3
--Awakened - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)
--Tau Volantis Survival Kit - 7.50$ (600msp) (was 15$)

FIFA Soccer 13 - 30$ (2400msp) (was 60$)

Forza Horizon
--Season Pass - 37.50$ (3000msp) (was 50$)

GRID - 12$ (960msp) (was 20$)

Mass Effect 3
--Leviathan - 5$ (400msp) (was 10$)

Naughty Bear - 7.50$ (600msp) (was 15$)

Skyrim - 20$ (1600msp) (was 30$)
--Dawnguard - 10$ (800msp) (was 20$)
--Dragonborn - 10$ (800msp) (was 20$)
--Hearthfire - 2.50$ (200msp) (was 5$)

Sleeping Dogs - 15$ (1200msp) (was 25$)

Tomb Raider
--1939 Multiplayer Map Pack - 2$ (160msp) (was 4$)
--Caves and Cliffs Multiplayer Map Pack - 2.50$ (200msp) (was 5$)

Wipeout 3 - 25$ (2000msp) (was 50$)
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Post by: nickmitch on September 03, 2013, 10:55:40 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/09/03/xbox-one-external-storage-not-supported-at-launch-says-major-ne/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/09/03/xbox-one-external-storage-not-supported-at-launch-says-major-ne/)

This is making think they're rushing the damn thing. At least it comes with a 500 GB HDD.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 03, 2013, 11:20:08 PM
This thing is obviously being rushed at this point. Its going to launch with quite a few feature but will still need to patch things through. For reference sony won't be supporting external drives at all.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 03, 2013, 11:23:30 PM
This thing is obviously being rushed at this point. Its going to launch with quite a few feature but will still need to patch things through. For reference sony won't be supporting external drives at all.

Where did you hear that? How are we supposed to back up our data if the console ends up breaking?
 
Even Nintendo lets Wii U users back up data to an external HDD.
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Post by: pokepal148 on September 04, 2013, 12:04:58 AM
not to mention they have to devote resources to cleaning up the always online and kinect mess on the system.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 04, 2013, 12:14:17 AM
Think Yoshida said it on his twitter account.
.
You back up through cloud.

Xbox One production has just went into full swing and the CPU has been upclocked as well.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/03/xbox-one-production-cpu-boost/
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 04, 2013, 09:05:30 AM
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2863/9668697320_0d5ba42235_o.jpg)
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Post by: Ceric on September 04, 2013, 09:16:43 AM
Sounds like Microsoft wasn't ready for the PS4 specs which seem sort of silly.  They don't sound that different but testing must have proven otherwise.  So PS4 the 15th and XBOX One the 22  Its Wii and PS3 all over again.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 04, 2013, 12:09:34 PM
Think i'm going to go with the PS4 at launch. While i'm an xbox guy (probably doesn't need to be said) Sony just seems to have ther **** together far more than Microsoft does. I don't really want to get burned with a repeat of the RROD with MS rushing to get to production.


Added the amount of indie games sony is getting is building a very steam like status around the whole playstation ecosystem and I kind of want to be in the know when big indies come out. Plus those will fill the gaps between big releases pretty nicely and PS+ is a good ass service.


Finally the pricing is a big factor. For the $400 I get a Playstation 4 and a 2 week trail of PS+ that nets you Resogun as well Drive Club in the first month. For the Nearly $600 for a PS4 and two games I can have a PS4, a Vita, and six games between the both of them.




Still going to grab an X1 next year in hopes of a price cut. So I'll probably be trying to get a PS4 at launch, failing i'm grabbing a Wii U zelda bundle. Than next spring I'll grab the sony/nintendo system I didn't get and next fall when Quantum Break and Halo hit i'll go with the Xbox One.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 04, 2013, 12:24:23 PM
Sounds like Microsoft wasn't ready for the PS4 specs which seem sort of silly.  They don't sound that different but testing must have proven otherwise.  So PS4 the 15th and XBOX One the 22  Its Wii and PS3 all over again.

But the difference is the Wii launch (at least hardware wise) was much better than the PS3 launch, as far as sales (to actual customers) is concerned. I still remember being able to count hundreds of PS3s at Best Buy without a single Wii in sight.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 04, 2013, 02:23:28 PM
The Wii was also something completly different and at the time we didn't know of Nintendo's online or lack there of. We just knew they has a revolution for controls and that you could download old games. 
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Post by: toddra on September 04, 2013, 05:35:00 PM
that's not entirely true, we knew they were talking about Wii online before launch they even showed off the Mii plaza stuff right before too. Their unwillingness to devote proper resources to online could have been seen a mile away when you look at their lack of effort on GameCube and their funky weird DS online up to that point.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2013, 09:40:30 PM
Think Yoshida said it on his twitter account.
.
You back up through cloud.

Xbox One production has just went into full swing and the CPU has been upclocked as well.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/03/xbox-one-production-cpu-boost/

There's that good news we were looking for.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 04, 2013, 09:53:32 PM
Didn't they underclock the thing for a reason?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 04, 2013, 09:56:13 PM
Yes, so they could "upclock" it later and people would be like "oh, wow!"
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Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2013, 10:02:27 PM
Maybe the prototypes were bursting into flames and they finally fixed it?
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Post by: Shaymin on September 04, 2013, 10:26:27 PM
I'm not saying it was red rings...

...but it was red rings.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 06, 2013, 01:12:12 PM
Finally getting more about the OS and the Xbox Version of Smartglass.


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Xbox Wire: What is SmartGlass?Ron Pessner: Fundamentally, it’s a free downloadable companion application that extends your Xbox game and entertainment experiences to your smart devices. With SmartGlass for Xbox One you can use your phone, laptop or tablet as a remote to easily navigate the web on your console, turn up the volume on your TV, and select a video, music or game to play. SmartGlass is more than just controlling your TV content though. We are working with all of our game and entertainment partners to build really cool experiences that take advantage of the fact that you have smart devices connected to your Xbox One.[/color]XW: How do you get Xbox One SmartGlass?RP: The free Xbox One SmartGlass app is separate from the Xbox 360 app. The Xbox One SmartGlass app will be available for download this holiday on Windows 8, Windows Phone 8, iOS and Android devices.
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[/color]XW: What can gamers expect from SmartGlass for Xbox One?RP: SmartGlass is maturing with the evolution of Xbox 360 to Xbox One. Xbox One was designed from the ground up with SmartGlass in mind, and an immediately noticeable difference with Xbox One SmartGlass compared to Xbox 360 SmartGlass is the connection speed and performance. On average it only takes about four seconds for SmartGlass to recognize your Xbox One and create an instant connection. Of course, this is based on the speed of your wireless connection, but generally SmartGlass is about three-and-a-half times faster on Xbox One than its Xbox 360 predecessor. And that’s just for your first connection, once you’re synced up, re-connecting will happen even faster.A core feature that was super important for us is that gamers can use SmartGlass for matchmaking on Xbox One. If you’re in the middle of game on your console, you can begin matchmaking for a multiplayer session through SmartGlass and you won’t interrupt your action on the big screen.We’ve also expanded the number of devices that you can connect simultaneously to Xbox One. You can now have up to 16 SmartGlass devices working with an Xbox One so there are more people connecting to a game experience—that’s four times as many as Xbox 360. An interesting implementation of this would be playing poker with friends or maybe an MMORPG where there can be lots of hands in the pot. We’re excited to see where developers will take this and the new gaming experiences they’ll create by tying together more devices than before.
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[/color]XW: How are you making SmartGlass faster on Xbox One than Xbox 360?RP: With Xbox 360, SmartGlass had to talk to a datacenter that could be halfway around the world, and the datacenter then relayed commands to your Xbox. That connection from your SmartGlass device to a datacenter and then to your Xbox required extra time to execute. Now, SmartGlass talks directly to your Xbox One over your Wi-Fi or LAN network.
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[/color]XW: What is Game Help and how are developers utilizing it for Xbox One games?RP: If you’re having trouble in a game, you can tap a Help button in SmartGlass that will give you contextually aware information for whatever you’re playing. We’re working closely with developers today to add game help to individual Xbox One titles. This is done by game creators making a help manual that we then host in SmartGlass. During gameplay, SmartGlass follows your progress and knows exactly where you’re at and where you’re having trouble, so that when you hit the Help button you’ll be given the tips you need. It’s a really cool additive experience to your gameplay and a way for developers to use additional screens to enhance the experience of playing games on Xbox One.
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[/color]XW: How can gamers use SmartGlass when they’re away from their Xbox One?RP: SmartGlass is your Xbox One dashboard when you’re away from your console and keeps you in touch with your Xbox One games and community. In addition to staying connected to your friends, sending and receiving messages, and checking all your Achievements, SmartGlass will show your friends’ activity and let you look at the games they’re playing. From there, you can pin those games in SmartGlass and those pins will appear on your Xbox One the next time you’re connected to Xbox Live. We’re making it easier to find new games by adding the ability to search the entire Xbox Games Store within SmartGlass. And we’re adding a promoted games section that delivers titles specific to your tastes based on your gaming history.
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[/color][/font]XW: How does SmartGlass connect you with your Xbox Live friends?RP: SmartGlass serves up game details pages that let you get competitive in a new way by showing you your friends’ progress relative to your own if you’re playing the same game. You can compare your Achievements and Challenges and other stats that developers deem relevant to their game. You can send and receive messages with your Xbox Live friends so you can talk trash or send congrats on their recent wins. You’ll also have access to Game DVR clips that you and your friends create.
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[/color]XW: How does SmartGlass interact with TV on Xbox One?RP: You can do a lot with SmartGlass when you’re watching TV on your Xbox One. You can change channels on your cable or satellite set-top box and even control the volume of your television. When you hit volume up on your SmartGlass device, for example, it tells your Xbox One console to send the volume up command through IR blasting from Kinect directly to your TV. Xbox One integrates all your entertainment into an easy to navigate OneGuide—a single destination for seeing what’s on TV, your favorite channels and even programs that you watch in your favorite streaming apps. You can either navigate the OneGuide on the TV, or you can access it on your smartphone, tablet or laptop with SmartGlass. So when you’re fighting over the remote or what to watch next, use SmartGlass to see what’s on and what to watch without interrupting what’s happening on the TV or to go ahead and change the channel if the remote is nowhere to be found.
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Its sad that this and what the others have been showing Validates Tablet companions more than anything nintendo has shown with the gamepad.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 06, 2013, 02:03:07 PM
First Xbox One commerical (airing during the NFL games)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14bkbo_xboxnfl_fun (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14bkbo_xboxnfl_fun)


Ad's have been starting.
(http://i.imgur.com/ickNjh3l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bdA8dNm.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/622ec38eb1b72b7a8e76ba6f006fd6f2/tumblr_msmgo8wKlw1rtih03o1_500.jpg)




Despite being $100 more Microsoft's marketing for Xbox Has always been crazy good. Remember the PS3 was more expensive and had horrible marketing piled on top. I still think the PS4 will win unless microsoft cuts the price, but I could see the One still doing very well.


Also the ID@Xbox program has started sending reponses to indies.
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Post by: broodwars on September 06, 2013, 02:12:30 PM
"If it were any more real, it would be real."

WTF does that even MEAN?  :Q

I also question the usefulness of an ad for watching the NFL on your Xbone...that plays while you're watching the NFL on your TV (which you're probably perfectly happy with).  But hey! TVTVTVTVTVSPORTSSPORTSSPORTS, the Xbone's REAL purpose!  :P:
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Post by: Ceric on September 06, 2013, 02:55:02 PM
I might of missed it but did anyone else notice in the Smartglass discussion that no one asked the obvious question of how does it compare to the WiiU Gamepad?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 06, 2013, 04:52:52 PM
Because it doesn't.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 06, 2013, 05:10:59 PM
It doesn't compare because beyond off screen play the gamepad is pretty shitty.
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Post by: Ceric on September 06, 2013, 05:13:10 PM
It doesn't compare because beyond off screen play the gamepad is pretty shitty.
Which would make Smartglass by definition even shittier.
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Post by: toddra on September 06, 2013, 05:17:54 PM
How was that a commercial for a game console? It looked like a commercial for a NFL TV to me.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 06, 2013, 06:15:04 PM
None of the three consoles are pure game consoles. They're mostly entertainment boxes.
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Post by: pokepal148 on September 06, 2013, 06:22:27 PM
How was that a commercial for a game console? It looked like a commercial for a NFL TV to me.
but isn't that the same thing in this case?
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 06, 2013, 07:30:30 PM
It doesn't compare because beyond off screen play the gamepad is pretty shitty.

Except for the comfortable grip, the great D-pad, built in NFC, handy weapon switching, an easy access map, and a great interface controller, YEAH IT SUCKS SOOOOOOOO MUCH.
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Post by: toddra on September 06, 2013, 07:34:13 PM
Alright sure they all do MORE than just games but come one there was no mention of gaming in that commercial seriously. They are selling the system on features not on games that will backfire.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 07, 2013, 03:30:27 AM
It doesn't compare because beyond off screen play the gamepad is pretty shitty.

I really strongly disagree with that. When it's used well, the GamePad works fantastically as a complement to what's going on off screen. I'd kill to have FIFA with GamePad functionality this year.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 08, 2013, 04:49:40 PM
Some dude in the Xbox One beta posted this.




Holy **** the OS looks cool. I like how like the Wii u selecting a game shows full screen image before loading. ALso going back to the Homescreen the game keeps playing.


(http://i.imgur.com/nmuOvsw.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/oPTjqZt.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/f7nYIzl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8K3jci6.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img834/6002/f5j3.png)






I already know i'm going to break down so **** it, im going xbox one at launch. There's a TED app at launch which is cool. It seems that it'll be easier to make non gaming apps for the Xbox One than it wil be for the PS4.

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 08, 2013, 04:54:45 PM
I disagree wholeheartedly with the OS looking cool. It's Windows 8 Metro UI. I guess it's cool that the game keeps playing, but that could also get really annoying.
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Post by: broodwars on September 08, 2013, 05:00:08 PM
Meh...I really can't stand that Metro interface on the Windows Phone or Windows 8, and this interface just looks like it so I'm really not a fan.

And, incidentally, the Vita does the whole "full screen image" thing when you open games, too.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 08, 2013, 05:29:54 PM
Eh I'm a fan of metro and minimalist desgin in general. (I think IOS7 is leaps beyond that skemorpism mess than was previous incarnations).

Even if your not a fan of Metro its hard to say it doesn't look good. Probably the most functional of the three next gen OSes I've seen thus far.


(http://i.imgur.com/8OYuHT8.jpg)


I think Metro works and makes sense on a Tablet,Phone, or TV as a way of displaying infomation.
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Post by: Ceric on September 08, 2013, 05:43:55 PM
Metro is by FAR the best Phone interface.

I think it be great for the Wii U.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2013, 05:44:54 PM
Metro is by FAR the best Phone interface.

I think it be great for the Wii U.


What are you even saying
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Post by: Ceric on September 08, 2013, 05:48:45 PM
Metro is by FAR the best Phone interface.

I think it be great for the Wii U.


What are you even saying
Metro is a great Phone UI.

Metro would be a good UI for the Wii U because it comes with a Touch Screen which the UI is fairly good for.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 09, 2013, 12:15:24 AM
Walkthrough of Fable Annversiry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_FVuXqJQko

Still no release date thus far. unless we get one next month I'm saying this is going to slip into 2014 and be a dual 360/One game with the One game coming with early acess to the Legends beta.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 09, 2013, 12:58:50 AM
Is it me, or is a full half of that UI Ads?
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Post by: broodwars on September 09, 2013, 01:19:32 AM
Is it me, or is a full half of that UI Ads?

I'm surprised it's only half full of ads, honestly. Give them time & they'll get that Xbone UI back to their usual 99% ads, 1% UI ratio they've established on the 360 over the years.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 09, 2013, 01:34:38 AM
Is it me, or is a full half of that UI Ads?


Nah its not you. Microsoft is doing the whole all one OS and its all ad's for stuff from the content and not like Mcdonalds. Still ad's mind you but depending on your mileage not intrusive. Simialr to the PS4 and Wii U with here's the **** you've been playing and what your buddies and a few random people have been playing.




Xbox music is coming to ios and Android today and the web app is getting free streaming. Also pictures of the Xbox One version of Xbox Music.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 18, 2013, 10:05:17 AM
Fable anniversary has been delayed until next year. I'm calling an X1 port.

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a515199/fable-anniversary-delayed-until-february-2014.html

Microsoft/Activision is teaming up with retailers for a dual license digital version of Ghosts. FOr $70 you get a Digital copy of ghosts for both Xbox 360 and Xbox One. alternatively if you buy a digital copy of Ghsots for 360 you can upgrade to the One version for just $10. This also marks the first 360 game that will be day and date digital with the retail game. Season Passes are now dual as well.

I'm expecting to see this for most cross gen games TBH.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 18, 2013, 02:16:02 PM
Ops. It looks like 1080p isn't a thing yet of the Bone (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=679469).

(http://i.cubeupload.com/cJuPNi.png)
The LOL train continues to roll.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 18, 2013, 02:41:48 PM
Isn't drive club only at 720p at this point.

Also your statement a hard t incorrect when for a is infact 1080.  But 900p does seem like a weird Resolution.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 18, 2013, 04:22:25 PM
This may sound odd, but I wish the Wii U had a front page ad. The eshop needs more promotion.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 18, 2013, 06:55:00 PM
This may sound odd, but I wish the Wii U had a front page ad. The eshop needs more promotion.

What do you mean by front page ad?
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 19, 2013, 09:49:34 AM
Something in the two front pages that shows a pictures and says 'Hey kids! Mighty No. 9 is available now for $19.99'

I'm not sure where they would put it though.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2013, 11:53:46 AM
So like this.

(http://cdn.gamesnack.be/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/GameSnackBE-Xbox-One-Dashboard-Featured-01-620x350.jpg)

I could have sworn people have said they didn't like it despite it allowing games to have more promotion. The Wii U has Warawara plaza and miiverse but that's mostly flawed to be honest.


 
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Microsoft Studios, in partnership with Grounding and Land Ho! today unleashed new footage of “Crimson Dragon” for the first time at Tokyo Game Show. Created and directed by acclaimed developer Yukio Futatsugi (creator of “Panzer Dragoon”), the flight-based shooter features action-packed gameplay and a vibrant new user interface.

Launching exclusively for Xbox One for $19.99 (USD) on Nov. 22, “Crimson Dragon” enables you to harness a powerful dragon and take to the skies in this thrilling shooter where humanity has been driven to the brink of extinction on a planet ruled by dragons. It’s up to you and your friends to control the winged beasts as you battle for supremacy. Purchase and play “Crimson Dragon” before Dec. 31 and receive an exclusive dragon to help you rule the skies.


Xbox Game ahead program

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Gamers can purchase a disc-less dual-license digital version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts" at participating retailers for a suggested retail price of $69.99. This version will include the Xbox 360 digital version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts," as well as the Xbox One digital version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts" – linked and unlocked via a user’s Xbox Live gamertag. More information on how to pre-order at participating retailers will be available in the coming weeks.

Players can also purchase a digital version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts" directly from the Xbox Live Marketplace for a suggested retail price of $59.99.  And, when ready to upgrade to Xbox One, you can purchase a digital Xbox One version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts" for a suggested retail price of just $10 on the Xbox Live Marketplace until March 31, 2014


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Priced at a suggested retail price of $49.99, £34.99, or €49.99, the "Call of Duty: Ghosts" Season Pass will upgrade from Xbox 360 to Xbox One at no additional cost.  Offer is valid until May 31, 2014.

The "Call of Duty: Ghosts" Season Pass is now available for pre-order on the Xbox Live Marketplace and at participating PC digital download retailers. The Season Pass includes access to four "Call of Duty: Ghosts" DLC Map Packs, each available first, exclusively, on Xbox and delivering a collection of fresh "Call of Duty: Ghosts" multiplayer content and more. Gamers who purchase the Season Pass will also receive the Team Leader digital content pack that includes a unique multiplayer character head, weapon camo, reticle, player patch, player card and player background.

Not sure if this is a activsion only thing but I know sony was saying they were doing something similar. This would pretty much get me to go digital even for 360 games. At the very least I expect all of Microsoft's own cross gen games to support this.

Apparently there was some big TGS roundtable with Phil Spencer and some Japanese game devs.

What the Xbone smartglass stuff looks like.
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Files/Windows_tablet_05_20_13.jpg)








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Post by: ShyGuy on September 19, 2013, 02:13:26 PM
So like this.

Maybe not quite so big, not quite so many, and not quite so anti-game. ;)
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2013, 06:12:18 PM
Is really anti-game though?
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Post by: nickmitch on September 19, 2013, 10:13:36 PM
THe current interface seems to advertise games as much as anything else. It's just that there's so much of everything else.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 19, 2013, 11:09:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/QV4KUUc.jpg)

I understand where your coming from. I don't see it as a problem since you can customize your dashboard and for the most part

The UI for Forza 5.
(http://www.forzamotorsport.fr/skydrive/x1/forza-motorsport-5-game-menu-mngluy.jpg)
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Post by: nickmitch on September 19, 2013, 11:36:57 PM
The last time a game's interface was designed after the Xbox UI, it was mocking it.

Anyway, you make a good point.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 21, 2013, 01:14:45 PM
The Playxbla guys are going to be doing a weekly Twitch show decidated to Xbox One games. The first one was yesterday which was a big three hour show. The first hour which was Powerstar Golf had to be thrown out due to the Audio screwing up.


The three games they showed off (Golf, Crimson Dragon, and KI) are all $20 at launch. Not a lot of Xbox news coming out of TGS obviously but we got a bit.


We now know the inital roster for KIller Insticnt
(http://playxbla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/KI.jpg)


joining these five at launch is
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5327/9839966264_8c24c3044a_o.gif)


Black Orchid




D4 from Swery was playable but not given a new trailer. He was also apart of somesort of Xone japnese developer roundtable.


Microsoft is going to show more Xbox TV shows to join Halo before the end of the year according to Phil Spencer. I'm guessing another one being a gaming tie in, some non gaming content, and a relaunch of Inside Xbox. (its the only way gaming style TV will surivie)

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 21, 2013, 01:28:16 PM
*Orchid.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 23, 2013, 09:42:49 AM
Some new stuff about the OS features rolling out of TGS. You can tell this is based on Windows 8 as its doing much of the same stuff. (But what OS can't do much of this stuff at his point)

http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-interface-is-clean-uncluttered-262315.phtml

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Working with full production Xbox One hardware, we saw the UI running on what was essentially a final hardware unit. Content was being populated in real time from Microsoft HQ. They ran full test code in front of us, so no canned demos here.

Penella signed into the dash by just waving his hand. Actually, work went on to do so in the background before he even did that, as the Kinect was already seeing and trying to recognize everyone in the room. Waving was more of a confirmation that he was the one that wanted to sign in. From that confirmation, Xbox One pulls down all of Penella's settings, just as he had set up in Redmond, including all of his saved games, apps, and settings.

This seems to work pretty similarly to how it does in Windows 8. Just log into an account on a new Tablet/PC and it automatically brings down all of my data up to the layout of my tiles. Not really anything new since most OSes are attempting to do this these days but its convenient. I do like the idea of Xbox One being attuned to my image or Voice to log me in to my account.



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Speaking of signing in, Xbox One is friendly to multiple users. The previous systems were not. Now, six users can sign in at one time. Kinect is always watching to know who is in the lead in this case. It sees who is holding the controller and recognizes your voice among others. You could be in a room with five other people logged in and call out to launch a game, and it would do so with your settings and saves intact.

The new dash is clean and simple. You have pins of your choosing, settings, and a home screen to pick from and interact with when scrolling from left to right. Gone are the second screens and guides and other nonsense. It's just one small set of simple black and green boxes that make up the dash, with everything you'd need right in front of your eyes. This is a UI for usefulness, not for flashiness. Bravo.

The home screen will populate with whatever Microsoft chooses to promote, which will usually be news for the platform as well as new store items. We did not have a chance to see how content will be navigated from this point. Here's hoping we'll see that soon


I wonder how the Xbox will be able to tell who each gamertag belongs too. But handling multiple accounts is a god send since the 360's way of handling it is awkward at best. Seems like the dashboard itself is customizable with the expectation of the Three side Tabs and the trending. As long as its ad's for content I want and not telling to join the military I'm pretty good.

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The friends limit is now 1,000, up from the original 100 setting on the Xbox 360. But you can also have followers on the Xbox One, much like you would on Twitter. For this, you can have unlimited followers. This means you can follow someone's gaming activity without taking spots in your feed. You can imagine how neat it will be to follow game industry personalities or celebrities to see what they're up to.

A favorites list lets you pick your closest buddies to keep up with. They show up first, prioritizedby the system.

The Xbox One can run four apps at the same time in the background. Switching between them is not unlike how it would work on your mobile phone. It's instant. Hitting the X button on the controller takes you back to your home screen, where you'll see four boxes that represent the apps or games running. Pick from any of them to jump right in.

A move to Miiverse style followers is only welcome if there' a social networking part similar to Nintendo's service. (there seems to be it just hasn't been elaborated on yet.) Running four apps is good for a console and instant when using a controller or motion but has a ten second delay when using Voice commands. I'm more interested in how Microsoft plans to accolade resources too Multitasking. We know Xbox Music can be played in the background is that Api just for certain apps or can any app made for Xone but used in this way. Mostly because I would love to have a podcast app in the background while I play.

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The apps you have loaded can be snapped to the side of the screen, keeping them visible while you do other things. Imagine having a FAQ pulled up in Internet Explorer while playing a dungeon crawler, or Xbox Music running while you check up on your friends list. For game capture, pinning will be especially handy.

Game capture is pretty slick. We saw a marble maze game get instant capture of the last 30 seconds of buffered frames from a simple voice command. Xbox One's Upload Studio had a 720p 30fps clip waiting immediately after. Users can quickly edit, save, or share this clip with further commands. Another voice command can have you back in the game just as quickly.

Penella says that these clips will only be able to be shared on Xbox Live at launch. They'll have social sites like YouTube and Facebook set up for sharing by next year.

Snaped apps are useful when on my Laptop or Tablet but I'm yet to be convinced of its merits when I'm on the TV. Game Capture sounds cool but it sucks a bit that Youtube and Facebook won't be until next year. (not that if matters to me as Twitch and Live should cover my wants). People have been complaining about that saying Microsoft isn't ready to launch but that doesn't seem to be the case. Despite being a small social network Miiverse is pretty awesome and has a dedicated fanbase and that's what Microsoft is trying to build on the outset by only having upload be related to the Live Platform. In fact I prefer it this way as my favorite social networks (Miiverse and Google+) started off pretty insular and are better for it.

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The Kinect does neat things for living room connectivity. It acts as a IR blaster on steroids, sending out so many IR beams that it completely fills a room. These beams bounce off walls and other surfaces, reflecting back at any exposed device in the room. This means that your electronics on shelves, even behind glass, will be able to be controlled by the Xbox One.

IR Blaster's will never die will they?

A new Surface should be shown off today as well.
(http://i.imgur.com/HyJit5e.jpg)
(http://www.destructoid.com/ul/262315-xbox-one-interface-does-a-lot-with-out-being-complex/DSC03444-620x.jpg)
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 23, 2013, 10:15:25 PM
Two new Surfaces were announced by Microsoft today.

Surface Pro 2
(http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/uploads/2013/09/sp2-main.jpg)
(http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/uploads/2013/09/sp2-reclined.jpg)

Surface 2

(http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/uploads/2013/09/s2-main.jpg)
(http://winsupersite.com/site-files/winsupersite.com/files/uploads/2013/09/s2-reclined.jpg)

Surface Pro 2 is targeting the high end Apple like Market with its high price points and pretty great specs. The first one did pretty well and its a pretty compelling Product. The Surface 2 however is DOA despite me probably buying one as my next tablet. The white Surface model with the Blue and Purple type covers will be mine.

**** looks hawt

IGN did another AMA for Xbox One.

-No changes in how changing Gamertags works
-No adding Nickname's for friends at launch
-Smartglass multitasking/
-Two types of Patches Optional and Mandatory.

You won't be able to import Jpegs or Gamer pictures but you can pose your Avatar and have 300 Pictures to choose from. Here's what apart of the Gamer Picture/Profile will look like. You can also use real life pictures.

(http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2013/09/24/092313marcprofileavatarpng-e94cbf_610w.png)
(http://assets1.ignimgs.com/2013/09/24/092313marcprofilemaskpng-e94cc0_610w.png)
(http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2013/09/24/092313marcprofilesquatchpng-88391a_610w.png)

Puts even more fuel to the fire that Youtube/Facebook uploading isn't at launch to push Xbox Live as a social Network. Look at how it measures your time on Xbox as well as who your following and who follows you. Glad others are taking ques from Miiverse this time around. 

Microsoft is building a console for the China
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Microsoft and Chinese media company BesTV New Media Co., Ltd, are partnering to bring a new gaming console and streaming device to China. According to Xinhua News, BesTV posted the news on the Shanghai Stock Exchange. The new venture, E-Home Entertainment Development, will be 51 percent owned by BesTV and 49 percent owned by Microsoft. The total investment in the joint venture is $237 million.

Other unconfirmed reports found by Polygon say the new console will be based on Xbox technology and be called the Bestpad. BesTV is China's leading IPTV provider with 18 million IPTV subscribers in China, southeast Asia and eastern Europe. The company just recently acquired the five-year, exclusive broadcast rights for the Premier League.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-09-23-microsoft-partners-to-create-chinese-game-console

A huge deal with the Chinese market still banning consoles from other contries. Not only this gets Microsoft into an emerging Market but this could get Chinese developer aboard the Xbone train.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 26, 2013, 05:00:17 PM
Microsoft is prepping a Wii Fit rival called Xbox Fitness and the page for it got leaked. By the looks of it they plan to announce it soon.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/9/26/4774476/microsoft-leaks-xbox-fitness-personal-training-app


(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3295763/fitness.png)

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Microsoft is recruiting top talent for its fitness program: Jillian Michaels of The Biggest Loser and Tony Horton of P90X fame are among the experts that will guide you through workouts and provide real-time feedback on progress. Xbox Live Gold subscribers will have unlimited access to Xbox Fitness from the launch of Xbox One through November 2014. After that, the service will convert to a premium, standalone subscription for all Xbox customers. Microsoft has yet to make any mention of Xbox Fitness, but with the cat now firmly out of the bag, we may be hearing more very soon.


Also Microsoft is working on a Gaikai rival so they can too tout having some form of BC

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/9/26/4774418/microsoft-demonstrates-halo-4-streaming-from-the-cloud-to-windows-and

They showed Halo 4 running on a low end PC and a lumia 520 on a larceny of 45ms.

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Post by: Ceric on September 26, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
So 45 Larcenies per ms.  That's how they keep the gauge up.

I think thats a very American approach to fitness design there.  AKA I don't think it will work.  Its one thing to workout with non-threatening blank people.  Its another to use real toned people.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 26, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
Why would China ban game consoles? They manufacture the damn things! This is one of the many reasons why companies shouldn't outsource manufacturing to China.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 26, 2013, 10:45:46 PM
Xbox Fitness has been officially announced
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/games/xbox-fitness
http://news.xbox.com/2013/09/xbox-one-xbox-fitness-unveiled

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Introducing the future of fitness. Experience the world’s best workouts with instant, personalized feedback, right in your home on Xbox Fitness. Train with Jillian Michaels, Tracy Anderson, P90X, Insanity and more. Optimize every workout with immediate feedback on your form, power and heart rate with the all new Kinect, featuring Muscle Mapping, Power Gauge, and Pulse. Plus, feed your motivation with social challenges. Unlimited access is yours for free with an Xbox Live Gold membership for a limited time. Only on Xbox One.*

Its free until January 2015.

Muscle Mapping
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Sees which muscles are most engaged by the power, force and transfer of weight in your body, and gives you tips to produce stronger results. Measures your exertion and challenges you to push harder, so you can maximize your workout.

Pulse
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Detects micro-fluctuations in your skin optically to read your heart rate, absolutely touch free, from up to 10 feet away.

energy Meter
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Illustrates your energy utilization, encouraging you to keep your effort up until each exercise is complete.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90vnJ_cNKf0[/youtube]
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20130926%20Xbox%20Fitness/Xbox%20Fitness%20Screen%20(3).jpg)
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 26, 2013, 10:49:27 PM
So 45 Larcenies per ms.  That's how they keep the gauge up.

I think thats a very American approach to fitness design there.  AKA I don't think it will work.  Its one thing to workout with non-threatening blank people.  Its another to use real toned people.

Those types of things are pretty popular here and as country we obsess ourselves with the vain. But I agree while I'm a bigger fan of the Xbox Fitness way, (I'm in decent shape) I would give Wii Fit to people as a first step and to teach fitness to children.
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Post by: Ceric on September 27, 2013, 10:49:12 AM
As a piece of software I think that being able to read muscle groups being worked, vy heat, and being able to read heart rate really gives the XBox One a clear advantage in Fitness software over well... Pretty much anything else.  I just know as a people we do better with attainable everyman trainers instead of the ultra fit.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 04, 2013, 10:36:36 PM
Not a lot of news this week but Microsoft showed off some smartglass stuff.

Dead Rising
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Dead Rising 3” – from Josh Bridge, Executive Producer (Capcom)
 
When Microsoft gave us the opportunity to use Xbox SmartGlass in “Dead Rising 3,” we immediately established two simple goals: Integrate the experience into the storyline and fiction of Los Perdidos, and ensure the experience is additive, yet rewarding.

We’re now about two months from launch and I’m excited to say I think we’ve accomplished both of these goals.

In “Dead Rising 3,” SmartGlass becomes your in-game smartphone, compatible with all Windows 8, iOS and Android SmartGlass-enabled devices. As Nick Ramos, you’re trying to escape Los Perdidos and fight your way through thousands of zombies before an impending military strike wipes the city (and everyone still in it) off the map. Thankfully, Nick’s not alone. There are other survivors banding together with the same purpose.

Early in the story, Nick finds a smartphone. At this point the player can connect their SmartGlass device and turn it into a Zombie Defense and Control PDA. This is totally optional, but again, we wanted to make it a rewarding and fun experience that feels fully integrated into the game – not just tacked on.

Here are the features Nick’s ZDC PDA will support:

Exclusive Side Missions and Rewards: You will receive phone calls and text messages from in-game characters on your SmartGlass device which will activate special missions exclusive to SmartGlass users. These missions have their own story that feeds back into the fiction of "Dead Rising 3" and will reward players with exclusive weapons and additional support applications for your ZDC PDA.

Mission Tracker: Track your progress towards all your active missions without having to pause and navigate the in-game menus. SmartGlass gives you a mission checklist as well as a map for quick reference as you fight your way through the zombie hordes.

 Los Perdidos News Ticker: With the news ticker, you’ll get updates and hints on where zombie outbreaks are happening around the city, giving you an edge as you plan your escape (or attack!).

Real-Time Map: Shows your location in Los Perdidos, the location of your co-op player and other points of interest in the world.

Support Applications: Use the ZDC Military Support app to request drone gun support, military grade flares to distract zombies or an air strike to decimate an infected area. You can also utilize Item Finders to locate specific weapons, vehicles and stores scattered throughout Los Perdidos, or the Backup app to call in survivors to help you fight and get Hints to help with missions or boss fights.


Project Spark
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“Project Spark” – from Saxs Persson, Director Microsoft Studios (Team Dakota)

“Project Spark” is all about putting the power of creation in your hands, and we’re literally doing that with Xbox SmartGlass available on all Windows 8, iOS and Android SmartGlass-enabled devices.

 What we have created is not really a “companion” app as much as a mirror of the Xbox One experience, and more. It delivers the full power and visual fidelity of Xbox One with the additional benefit of the Windows 8 touch interface and a virtual keyboard on the device connected via SmartGlass. This means that you can play, create, and share on SmartGlass devices.

 Anything you can do on your Xbox One in “Project Spark,” you can do with “Project Spark” on SmartGlass. This even includes playing games built with, and designed for, touch input.

 SmartGlass infinitely expands the possibilities of “Project Spark” user-created games on Xbox One. For example, someone could create a touch-only based game and, using SmartGlass, Xbox One players can play, remix, and share that game without platform limitations. Creators could even create games where there is a mix between the two – a shooter or action game where controller works best, and then puzzles that require touch input to solve.

 Our goal is to open players’ imaginations and give them the tools they need to create anything they can dream up. Combining SmartGlass with Xbox One lets us deliver on that promise. Team Dakota is extremely excited to see what you can create with these powerful tools.

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Xbox SmartGlass has enabled us to take the interactive party experience to the next level for "Just Dance 2014." Here at Ubisoft we have designed a range of new features that really compliment the Kinect platform. Now, anyone with a smartphone device or tablet is able to connect to the game using the SmartGlass application and instantly take control of the game… and the party.

 One of the SmartGlass-enabled features in "Just Dance" is the ability to set up endless playlists during gameplay. Players can set up play lists featuring their favorite "Just Dance 2014" songs like Psy’s “Gentlemen” or One Directions “Kiss you.”  The player also has the ability to add or remove songs during gameplay allowing them to transform the soundtrack of the party instantly.

 In addition, "Just Dance 2014" creates instant video recaps of a dance session in a feature called Autodance. Autodance videos feature the coolest moments of a party mixed together and presented as a music video at the end of a song. The player also has the ability to edit the videos and apply crazy and funny effects. This is where the SmartGlass functionality really shines! By using the touchscreen controls, players are able to edit these videos effortlessly in an editing suite.

 Players will also have access to "Just Dance 2014’s" brand new PartyMaster game mode via SmartGlass. PartyMaster gives ultimate control to one player by letting them choose the next dance move in real-time on their smartphone or tablet and even switch tracks mid-song to become the DJ of the party.

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Post by: nickmitch on October 04, 2013, 10:55:17 PM
That fitness thing looks pretty boss. If they could keep it free with Xbox Live Gold, it'd help make the service look worth while.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 06, 2013, 08:59:59 PM
Bone NuAds. Yeah, it's stil a thing. Not now but soon™ (http://adage.com/article/special-report-ana-annual-meeting-2013/xbox-reshape-marketing/244605/).

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Forty-nine days from an Xbox One rollout that could make or break one of Microsoft's most successful brands, the key marketing executive behind the launch outlined how it also could reshape marketing in a speech to the Association of National Advertisers Masters of Marketing Conference in Phoenix Oct. 5.
 
 Yusuf Mehdi, corporate VP-marketing and strategy for Microsoft, outlined how he expects the new system, which succeeds the eight-year-old Xbox 360 in a neck-and-neck race with Sony's Playstation 4 launch, could affect marketing. Those possibilities include ramping up consumer expectations for production values in advertising thanks to advances in Xbox imaging technology, furthering the "gamification" movement in advertising, and consolidating more attention now diffused among multiple devices for gaming, TV and web browsing onto the big screen. For example, Xbox One will make it easier to port real-time fantasy-football data to the TV screen as people watch NFL games.
 
 But perhaps the biggest potential impact is one Mr. Mehdi only hinted at -- the possibility of making data from Xbox available for market research.
 
 Holy grail
 "We are trying to bridge some of the world between online and offline," he said. "That's a little bit of a holy grail in terms of how you understand the consumer in that 360 degrees of their life. We have a pretty unique position at Microsoft because of what we do with digital, as well as more and more with television because of Xbox. It's early days, but we're starting to put that together in more of a unifying way, and hopefully at some point we can start to offer that to advertisers broadly."
 
 Xbox One can essentially work like TV that watches you, bringing marketers a huge new trove of data about what's going on in living rooms, including, as one marketer put it after the speech, unprecedented information about how people engage with TV advertising.
 
 "It could have a big impact on pricing," he said, given Xbox One's capacity for seeing whether people are paying attention or how their bodies respond to the ads, said the marketer, who wasn't authorized by his company to speak for attribution.
 
 Biometric responses
 Given that Xbox 360 has sold more than 78 million units, if even a fraction of likely Xbox One users could be persuaded to share data, the technology could create the world's largest panel for measuring biometric responses to advertising.
 
 The new generation of Kinect technology in Xbox One can distinguish up to six voices in a room, respond to voice commands, read skeletal movement, muscle force, whether people are looking at or away from the TV and even their heart rates, Mr. Mehdi said. The latter happens as the camera detects slight changes in skin tone related to dilation of a blood vessel in the eyeball that responds to heart rate, Mr. Mehdi said.
 
 In a feature that was controversial among some users, Microsoft originally said that the Xbox One would have to be connected to the internet and Mircosoft's servers at least once every 24 hours to function. After consumer outcry, Microsoft backed down. It also dropped its original plan to require that Kinect technology always be on for the console to work.
The self punching continues.
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Post by: magicpixie on October 06, 2013, 11:10:35 PM
Hahaha, man...  Sometimes it feels like there's a conspiracy in the media against MS these days because they can't seem to do anything right.  There was a story on Reddit the other day about some tour that MS were doing and they were travelling to various locations to demo the Xbone.  Except the knuckleheads driving the vehicle lost the keys to the box that carried the Xbone...  I think I'm starting to overdose on schadenfreude.

The article seems a bit short on details.  None of what Mehdi is quoted as saying is particularly offensive.  Most of the offensive stuff seems to be from the article's analysis and the quotes from the anonymous marketers.  Of course, if you read between the lines, and take into consideration everything that MS have done leading up to this point, the article's conclusions are not at all unreasonable.

Anyway, I'm not naive enough to think that Sony or any other large corporation wouldn't do this if given the chance(in many ways, they already do).  But MS just seem to have a special talent for stepping in it these days.  I've already decided to upgrade my PC, I'm just holding out until the new AMD GPUs are released and I'll probably wait for Boxing Day sales.  Stories like these make it easier to pass on the Xbone altogether.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 07, 2013, 01:08:22 AM
"Sometimes it feels like there's a conspiracy in the media against MS these days because they can't seem to do anything right."
 
So Microsoft is the new Nintendo?
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Post by: pokepal148 on October 07, 2013, 07:44:06 AM
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-25049-laughing-out-loud-lol-gif-Now-xlnU.gif)

to be honest its their own darn fault
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Post by: nickmitch on October 07, 2013, 08:37:21 PM
"Sometimes it feels like there's a conspiracy in the media against MS these days because they can't seem to do anything right."
 
So Microsoft is the new Nintendo?

No. Nintendo always made a profit. Until that one time.
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Post by: Ceric on October 07, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
"Sometimes it feels like there's a conspiracy in the media against MS these days because they can't seem to do anything right."
 
So Microsoft is the new Nintendo?

No. Nintendo always made a profit. Until that one time.
At band Camp.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 08, 2013, 10:43:35 AM
No conspiracy (though I'd agure some places do have a pro sony bias). Its mostly a combination of **** ups and stupidity.

Microsoft fucked up with their messaging and if were being completely honest I don't think the Xbox One was supposed to be launched till next year but, Microsoft didn't want to give sony a one year headstart and Nintendo a two year headstart.

Its stupidity because despite all the bitching about NU-ads which I've only seen the most hardcore of hardcore complain about everyone seems honkey dorey to throw all their information toward google which is honestly way more dangerous than any tailored xbox ads.


It's honestly one of the main reasons why I don't honestly care about Nu-ads or their whole Platform. It would make me a huge hypocrite when Google has done the same thing for the past 15 or so years. No one complains about Google Admob or Google Ad choices which is what nU ad's just with a degree of interactivity.

I mean the apk data for the next version of Gmail is hinting that google is adding ads to the application. (still not sure how that will work with my design).

I've used the Xbox 360 for around 6 years and Nu-ads only have shown yp during the free Video apps like Crackle that has ads anyway. Or when you click on one the ad titles which doesn't exist in the Xbox One Dashboard.


Still the Xbox Team wasn't ready and were forced due to Sony coming out this year and probable other branches of Microsoft that had their **** together. (Windows Surface, Windows Phone).
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Post by: Ceric on October 08, 2013, 10:52:58 AM
Its all about how intrusive its is.  I mean Gmail has had text ads since day one tailored to your e-Mail.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 08, 2013, 11:20:06 AM
How new ads is being presented doesn't seem Intrusive to me. Until it starts actively interupting games like some mobile ones do than its a problem.

Also go read the big GAF thread about the problem most are complaining about the Data being taken which in today's society is naive and hypocritical since a lot of the same posters I see in android or iOS threads.


Lol EA throwing salt in the Wii U wound.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/10/games-madden-qa

I called this last year and it's exactly why the Wii U is now and forever fucked.
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Post by: Wah on October 08, 2013, 06:23:10 PM
Fark u to, Nintendo ALWAYS makes standard games! no big ones but no flops ethier, Microsoft on the other hand has failed this console before its even come out!
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Post by: pokepal148 on October 08, 2013, 06:39:31 PM
http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/ (http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/)
(http://cultureandcommunication.org/deadmedia/images/5/5f/VirtualBoyJapan.jpg)
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 08, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
Disaster Day of Crisis has become a cult classic.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 08, 2013, 08:16:43 PM
Fark u to, Nintendo ALWAYS makes standard games! no big ones but no flops ethier, Microsoft on the other hand has failed this console before its even come out!


Did I say nintendo made bad games. Making good games doesn't change anything about the position that the console is in.


I'm saying Nintendo's biggest hook is being subverted by everyone supporting it on the other two consoles while either barley supporting the Wii U or not at all.
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Post by: Wah on October 08, 2013, 08:49:58 PM
http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/ (http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/)
(http://cultureandcommunication.org/deadmedia/images/5/5f/VirtualBoyJapan.jpg)
Still better than xboxone
still a better love story then twilight! ::)
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 08, 2013, 10:36:48 PM
http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/ (http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/)
(http://cultureandcommunication.org/deadmedia/images/5/5f/VirtualBoyJapan.jpg)
Still better than xboxone
still a better love story then twilight! ::)


Gunpei would agree with you. Dude cmon on we get from the site your on you like nintendo, but their's a difference between fondling and going bareback.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 08, 2013, 10:37:21 PM
http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/ (http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/)
(http://cultureandcommunication.org/deadmedia/images/5/5f/VirtualBoyJapan.jpg)
Still better than xboxone
still a better love story then twilight! ::)


Gunpei would agree with you. Dude cmon on we get from the site your on you like nintendo, but their's a difference between fondling and edited comment that isn't family friendly.
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Post by: pokepal148 on October 09, 2013, 07:24:23 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/xbox-one-kerfuffle-kicks-more-concerns-over-ads-privacy-8C11358946 (http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/xbox-one-kerfuffle-kicks-more-concerns-over-ads-privacy-8C11358946)
so are they making a 180 on a 180 i mean whats going on...
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Post by: Wah on October 09, 2013, 09:10:18 PM
Lol
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 12, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/ (http://www.vooks.net/disaster-day-of-crisis-sales-a-disaster-in-europe/)
(http://cultureandcommunication.org/deadmedia/images/5/5f/VirtualBoyJapan.jpg)
Still better than xboxone
still a better love story then twilight! ::)


Gunpei would agree with you. Dude cmon on we get from the site your on you like nintendo, but their's a difference between fondling and going bareback.

Careful, I think he's a kid. Don't use that language around kids. :P
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Post by: Wah on October 13, 2013, 11:25:03 PM
WTFark 15 going on 16 is a kid is it?
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Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2013, 05:27:04 AM
WTFark 15 going on 16 is a kid is it?


...yes, yes it is. When you're still saying "WTFark", you're still a child.


That isn't to say that pokepal and I are not children, we definitely are. I'm still living with my mom until I save enough for my own place but I can't see that happening any time soon.
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Post by: Ceric on October 14, 2013, 09:22:54 AM
Millenials as one of the edge of the generation its terrible in the real world now as far as that goes.  I'm turning 31 this year and I'm still the youngest person in my department.  In fact I was interviewing people for a job that is actually parallel to mine and all the candidates were older than me.

Let me repeat, I'm 30 and Society at Large still considers me to be a Kid.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 15, 2013, 10:28:52 AM
Xbox posted a blog post on how friends will work
http://news.xbox.com/2013/10/xbox-one-friends-and-multiplayer (http://news.xbox.com/2013/10/xbox-one-friends-and-multiplayer)


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Your New Friends App on Xbox One[/size]Designed around you and your friends, Xbox One will have plenty of room for all your favorite people in the brand new Friends system on Xbox One. Your Xbox 360 friends will automatically be added to your Friends list. With Xbox One you can have 1,000 friends, connect with people instantly by following them and have infinite followers yourself. You can also see all of your Xbox One and Xbox 360 friends and their activity in your Activity Feed.[/color]
[/size]Xbox Live has always been about building an amazing community. When we first launched the service back in 2002, our vision was to create a premium online place where friends could come together to play games. With your support we’ve created the world’s largest, most-active gaming and entertainment community and now, as we look ahead to the launch of Xbox One on Nov. 22, we want to pause for a moment to celebrate our community and tell you about what we are doing to make it even better. With that in mind throughout the upcoming days in this “Week of Xbox Live,” we will share more news and information about what is coming to Xbox Live. First, we want to thank you for choosing and for spending more time with us. In the last 12 months, we delivered more than 20 billion hours of gaming and entertainment on Xbox, over 17% growth over the previous year.  We’re proud and humbled to be the top online gaming service - according to NPD's August 2013 Online Gaming report, close to 50% more online console gamers use the Xbox 360 for playing online than the PlayStation 3.With your increasing engagement with and growing community, we’re able invest in new features and future innovations that bring more amazing experiences to you and the community on Xbox Live.Your New Friends App on Xbox OneDesigned around you and your friends, Xbox One will have plenty of room for all your favorite people in the brand new Friends system on Xbox One. Your Xbox 360 friends will automatically be added to your Friends list. With Xbox One you can have 1,000 friends, connect with people instantly by following them and have infinite followers yourself. You can also see all of your Xbox One and Xbox 360 friends and their activity in your Activity Feed.


Similar to the other social media networks, Xbox One allows you to share the latest in games and entertainment with fellow gamers, friends and family, or even celebrities and gaming personalities by following people. For example, on Xbox One you can search for me by my gamertag (Major Nelson) and follow me to see what I share publicly, such as my latest game scores and achievements.On your Xbox One, there are now more ways to connect than simply sending a friend invite. For example, the one-way follow model of Xbox One allows Xbox Live members to connect with the people they care about in an easier way than ever before.Friends and FollowersSo what’s the difference between a friend and a follower? They are all considered your friends on Xbox One, but the levels of privacy between the two are different. You can follow anyone you want and it’s completely up to them if they follow you back. You can also decide what information your followers can see about you.When you and another gamer mutually follow each other, it creates a more interactive relationship that unlocks the ability for you both to see information like when each other are online, what achievements you earn in real time and what you’re up to on Xbox One.The Friends app is also an awesome way to find out about new games and activities to take your Xbox One experience to a whole new level.“A great driver in ‘Forza Motorsport 5,’ for example, could have a huge group of thousands or even millions of followers all tracking their performance in-game,” Rob Lehew, Xbox Live Program Manager,  said. “Those followers can have this driver on their personal leaderboard so that they can constantly keep track of how they stack-up, and they can potentially connect online with the driver to get into a race with him.”
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Some gifs of the OS(http://i.minus.com/ibgfs3CkGUPTHP.gif)\(http://i.minus.com/ibqitOx1T2Uvdu.gif)


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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 15, 2013, 10:38:51 AM
that looks much better than my Wii U log in.

But MS's main thing is OS's and UI's, so I would expect it to excel in that area.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 15, 2013, 11:13:20 AM
It's too busy with too many unnesscerey animantion and masses of wasted space. WiiU OS is better layed out, built for a touch screen. Not as "Fast" because it is a WiiU. Also **** Ads.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 15, 2013, 11:40:10 AM
It's too busy with too many unnesscerey animantion and masses of wasted space. WiiU OS is better layed out, built for a touch screen. Not as "Fast" because it is a WiiU. Also **** Ads.


Its not to busy as all. The Wii U OS is a barley functional and WaraWara Plaza is the very defination of wasted space.


I one see three ad panels on the dash and its all related to content on the Xbox Store. I expect the PS4 to have something similar and wish the Wii U did as well.
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Post by: Ceric on October 15, 2013, 12:15:47 PM
*shrug*  It really considers whether the Animations are there to mask load times or if they are just there to be there.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 15, 2013, 12:19:54 PM
What else are you going to put on the main screen that may or may not be used? The WiiU OS is perfectly functional for what it does. Plays games and launches stuff. You can pack so much more useful information and utility in WiiU OS compared to the Bone's OS, it's not funny. That said the WiiU has less information to display since you don't have useless **** like gamer score Ads, big giant thing in the middle, TV. All of which is supose to be used from 3 meters away. Where the WiiPad is right infront of you. MSOS might make more sense if it was a touch screen one on which it is based off but Metro is trash.

WiiU has 6 "Fixed" Apps + 15 per page to arrange as you like. If the WiiU ever gets to the point where it starts to get messy with too many icons, that's when we would be folders like we did on the 3DS.

Also to repeat myself. **** Ads.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 15, 2013, 12:56:16 PM
*shrug*  It really considers whether the Animations are there to mask load times or if they are just there to be there.

I wish the Wii U was faster, but since it's not, it could definitely use some masking of the damn load times with distracting animations. I would rather ignore an animation than zone out to a static screen while I wait for something to happen.

personal preference I'm sure, but I had load times. mask them with something.

as far as ads and what not, I don't specifically care for what they have laid out, just how they have it laid out. It just looks better. more "matured" so to speak.
I wish Nintendo would allow you to lay "skins" or alternative styles to the main menu to match a users preference. maybe some user generated stuff that has to go through a submission process or something. Kinda like how you can change how the forums look, yet it still displays all the same info. I would love if when I log into my profile, my main menu was more dark, like black backgrounds, and I could make my icons take up a 2x1 space or a 2x2 space like arranging widgets on my Android phone. I have multiple screens, why not let me customize my main screen how I see fit?

I should take this to the "fixing the Wii U" thread I made....
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 15, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
What else are you going to put on the main screen that may or may not be used? The WiiU OS is perfectly functional for what it does. Plays games and launches stuff. You can pack so much more useful information and utility in WiiU OS compared to the Bone's OS, it's not funny. That said the WiiU has less information to display since you don't have useless **** like gamer score Ads, big giant thing in the middle, TV. All of which is supose to be used from 3 meters away. Where the WiiPad is right infront of you. MSOS might make more sense if it was a touch screen one on which it is based off but Metro is trash.

WiiU has 6 "Fixed" Apps + 15 per page to arrange as you like. If the WiiU ever gets to the point where it starts to get messy with too many icons, that's when we would be folders like we did on the 3DS.

Also to repeat myself. **** Ads.


Metro is pretty great actually.


See I kind of understand where your coming from and maybe, its growing up in a post ipod tech world but I would like to see Notifications, recommendations, and the like on my home screen.


I find  this


(http://i1.wp.com/theultralinx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/PS4-UI-Screenshot-1.jpg?resize=620%2C348)
(http://www.nowgamer.com/siteimage/scale/0/0/355446.png)


 and this
(http://cdn.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Xbox-One-Home-UI.jpg)


(http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/microsoft2013/xboxone/friends/XboxOneFriendsFollowers-610.jpg)


Than what Nintendo has does.


Also its impossible for the Wii U's OS to be more functional because its more limited. Hell the Xbox One hold four applications into the background for quick switching and the stores are built into the Os its self.


You do realize that the big useless tile as you called is actually the last app you used suspended into the background. So you could say suspend the game you were playing to watch a movie or browse the store and go right back to the moment you were in.


The fact I could be playing a game and get a notifcation of the ports teams i'm following makes the Xbox One infinty more functional than the Wii U.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 15, 2013, 01:38:50 PM
You misunderstand. The WiiU plays games. That is pretty much it. I also really don't need it to do much more than that. It has a limited suspend where you can go use those 6 system apps. For a Games console it could be faster, but it does what it is designed to do well enough.

If I want more, I have a normal computer that eats the Bone for Breakfast. There is Hi-tech and there's why would I want hand off all my control and content to a console. That said, I am not the market for either PS4 or the Bone. It also doesn't help the Bone is US-centric as hell .

PS. I also hate Chris Pine and that one Star Trek Ad almost always shows up for a Triple whamy.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 15, 2013, 02:51:13 PM
I can see your point of view now. But as a media consumer I'm not intrested in something that only plays games to be honest and I'd say its one of the reasons why the Wii U is failing.


To be fair using the whole well my PC can do this is a horrible defense since It was used when the xbox 360 first started gaining popularity as well when the ipad got big. To be frank I'd rather use dedicated apps than a web browser and both TVs in the house are bigger than my Laptop or Tablets screens. 
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Post by: oohhboy on October 15, 2013, 03:21:58 PM
My PC handles all my other media needs. It has 2 x tv tuners that can record 2 channels and play back a recording on second screen which is my TV while I game. I could go on, but if you wish to be box yourself into little zoos, that is your prerogative. (I could use DLNA, but DLNA works retarded so I don't use it.) Why is the PC not an alternative to a console? Steam sales, Humble bundles and the wider internet makes even the best on consoles like PS+ a joke when it come to value even with a PC's up front investment. Not to mention I have been playing games at 1080p for the last 5 years.

iPod for music outside/driving. If I feel some weird reason to watch something while outside, I ask why? Especially when it's going to be in a sub-optimal condition.

I am mystified by the need to be helped to consume media. Especially all the bloody time and more than you do now. I also most certainly wouldn't label myself a "Media consumer", that is marketing, hook, line and sinker.
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Post by: Ceric on October 15, 2013, 03:40:39 PM
If I was a bachelor I still be using my TV for everything but, in a family practical experience tells me that the TV Media center and game system is something that still doesn't work because of how complicated it is in comparison.  Which I don't understand but my 5 year old since he was 3 could navigate my PS3 to Netflix and watch TV.  While my Wife same age as me and once a Computer Science major couldn't get Hulu up on the screen with the Media PC.
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Post by: magicpixie on October 15, 2013, 05:34:11 PM
...While my Wife same age as me and once a Computer Science major couldn't get Hulu up on the screen with the Media PC.

Seriously?  That seems... odd.  It seems really easy to lose perspective on the average user's level of competence with electronics, even today.  It seems that as technology evolves, and our hardware becomes ever more complex and capable, the end user experience becomes more streamlined, and the demands for ease of use increase even further.  It feels like any barriers between the user and the goal serve only to keep people from buying in.  So, while some of us may be willing to tinker with PCs, others have opted for the experience that removes, as much as possible, the barriers between them and their intended experience.  And, have you seen the specs for Watchdogs and CoD: Ghosts?

I find it fascinating how all of you talk about OSes, because I'm that person that has no clue what works and what doesn't until I've used it.  Really gives me insight into how much of the user experience is designed and controlled.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 15, 2013, 11:08:47 PM
Yeah, people are idiots when it comes to technology.

Everybody always says, oh those kids will have it all figured out in the future, but they've been saying that since I was a kid and I help people younger than myself with really stupid technology problems every work day.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 21, 2013, 12:27:52 PM
http://videogamescene.com/xbox-one-to-run-all-windows-8-apps/ (http://videogamescene.com/xbox-one-to-run-all-windows-8-apps/)


Allegedly (by Dell), Xbox will run all Windows 8 apps. If it does, then that's potentially a game changer, as long as they don't start restricting things like SNES8x.
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Post by: Ceric on October 21, 2013, 01:19:02 PM
http://videogamescene.com/xbox-one-to-run-all-windows-8-apps/ (http://videogamescene.com/xbox-one-to-run-all-windows-8-apps/)


Allegedly (by Dell), Xbox will run all Windows 8 apps. If it does, then that's potentially a game changer, as long as they don't start restricting things like SNES8x.
That be a good move.  Especially if it allows them to connect all the ecosystems better (Phone, Console, PC).  SNES8x though would probably be very quickly banned.  Nintendo would not allow that.
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Post by: pokepal148 on October 21, 2013, 05:46:56 PM
its gonna be restricted, there is no way microsoft will let something like steam run on the xbone
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 21, 2013, 07:57:26 PM
But the question is...IF it can run Windows 8 Apps...how easy will it be to hack and "jailbreak"?

Once that happens there is no stopping people from running any emulators they want.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 21, 2013, 08:54:45 PM
its gonna be restricted, there is no way microsoft will let something like steam run on the xbone


steam isn't a window 8 app so the problem fixes itself.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 21, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
But the question is...IF it can run Windows 8 Apps...how easy will it be to hack and "jailbreak"?

Once that happens there is no stopping people from running any emulators they want.

Probably next to impossible, for a while at least. Being able to run Windows 8 apps (which come from the Windows Store) would not help you hack the console.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 22, 2013, 12:32:20 PM
Windows Store? is that what they are calling it?

They missed a perfect opportunity to call it the WindowShop so people can Window Shop.
People love Window Shopping.
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Post by: Ceric on October 22, 2013, 12:32:35 PM
its gonna be restricted, there is no way microsoft will let something like steam run on the xbone


steam isn't a window 8 app so the problem fixes itself.
Though I thought at one point Valve was going to make a Steam Windows App.  Not sure why really they do that.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 22, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
There is Steam Center, but not full-on Steam. There probably never will be either.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 22, 2013, 06:34:09 PM
This is pretty much the microsoft equal to the apple and google threads. So surface came out today and Nokia showed off the last of their pre microsoft product portfolito.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 28, 2013, 07:04:39 AM
More **** might have just hit the (second) wind turbine (http://doddscientifics.com/2013/10/28/xbox-one-os-and-xbox-live-issues-bouncing-about-as-we-approach-launch/).

Quote
Ok, first off: the origin of the rumor. I was contacted by someone claiming to be a dev. He told me a bunch of info. I had no idea if it was true or not. I know a lot of people really hate me currently so I was very weary that I was being trolled by a well-informed person. I was looking for other sources for hours. Nothing. And then I got partial verification from another dev (not that he/she disagreed with part, but only knew part and said it was 100% correct) and then at once I got verification by two people who have never wronged me. So this isn’t flimsy but I’m still filing it under rumor because, well, it is.  But it isn’t.
 
 I’m putting it all out on the line here. I enjoy breaking leaks but if this is wrong I’m fucked. I know this. This is how much I trust the people who have verified (and I hope for a CBoaT appearance).
 
 The short story is that Xbox Live and the OS, especially in functions that involve XBL, are a complete fucking mess. One source says we aren’t talking weeks until it works correctly but “months.” Things like parties dropping people when moving from one thing to another. Connectivity issues. Missed invites. Friend requests not working, etc.
 
 He then said “If all you are doing is running a game and that’s the only app things are fine.”
 
 So why do think things are going wrong?
 
 “The system OS and network integration was written by a group of people who do not play games. They don’t understand why things were set up in the ways they were designed by J Allard back in ’05.”
 
 So… what changed?
 
 “Let me get into some technical detail regarding it – on 360, the OS handles all of the party and chat functionality. All you do is hook up the XBL VOiP OS API into your game, and it does most of the work for you. With it results in is a shared experience across multiple entertainment. If you’re watching movies or playing games, you can do it together. However, this system is entirely different on Xbox One. So, lets say me, you, and Thuway have xbox one’s that are online. We are signed in our profiles. Sitting at the home screen, we are considered to be in a “Xbox Party” on the server. There are no more ‘party leaders’. With that said if any one of us decide to start a game, the party is shifted over to that game’s party system. Each game now has their custom written VOIP.” (Pete note: shoutout to thuway!)
 
 “In essence, it is almost EXACTLY how it was on the PS3, and it is in those API “handshakes” that is breaking the online experience.”
 
 I asked if could be fixed soon. He said that anything is possible and Microsoft is obviously working on it but he thinks it will be months, not weeks. Getting online launch games certified is taking so long that it’s pushing games after launch back.
 
 Talking to a different developer he says: “Yeah, getting anything online to work was a pain for months, barely worked at the very end of last month. Adding friends, sending game invites or even achievements’ toasts could be a nightmare. I don’t know that much outside of “my” project, but from what I saw in others, online was always a problem. No idea if this will still be an issue at launch though, I think it would be too much, but it looks like it won’t be flawless at all.”
 
 As of now the Xbox One OS and XBL (the name for the XBL side of Azure is “Thunderhead”) are having major issues. Maybe it will be fixed in time, maybe it won’t. The obvious question to me was does this have to do with Microsoft reversing the DRM and having to strip it out (Pete note: That would partially make it my fault and I wouldn’t like that at all)?
 
 “This was happening either way. This was built into the OS long ago. The DRM-removal clogged their pipelines somewhat, but this blockage was always there. It’s just simply a way they setup the VOIP API and how it would be handled. It was an oversight, not just voip, all of parties and network connectivity really.”
 
 Ok, anything else?
 
 “By the way, do not be surprised at the reaction you get from MS over this.”
 
 Yeah, I know.
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Post by: Ceric on October 28, 2013, 09:45:23 AM
Hey its the WoW problem.  Trying to fix something that was actually done the best way to begin with but looks broken from the outside.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 28, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
Sounds bad. I'm a bit confused about his posting. We knew the Xbox 360 VOIP API was being thrown out to build the OSs voice chat around Skype. With that said shouldn't things things still work the same since its being built upon a cross platform messaging system. The Party Chat even if it isn't on an OS level should still work the same with the Party Chat overriding any sort of per game chat.


The OS issues I can be see, but the PS4 won't have suspend/resume at launch which I find to be a bigger missing component. As long as everything goes smooth on the consumer side I'll be okay. We've seen achievements and the such working properly on Livestreams.


Still none of this is good and Microsoft is in the worse postion of the big two. I wouldn't reccomend getting a next gen console this year unless its the Wii U at this point[size=78%].[/size]
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[/size][size=78%] [/size][/size]The Xbox website got updated a bit to lead up to Xbox One's launch. [size=78%]
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[/size]It takes a more miminal UI and looks like the Outlook and Skydrive websites. It looks good but is pretty crappy functional since it no longer tells you anything. There's a drop down bar but the tickers don't seem to work at as of yet. (Bad timing with the recent news).[size=78%]

[/size]Last week Microsoft held their ID@Xbox Summit in seattle. They still have a ways to go to even get to where Nintendo is at in regards to indies but like the Retro City Rampage dude said its a start.[size=78%]
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[/size]They're going to be holding one in London next month. [size=78%]

[/size]http://news.xbox.com/2013/10/xbox-360-games-with-gold[size=78%]

[/size]Games with Gold is now going to be a ongoing thing for xbox live. I could have told you this at E3 not sure why microsoft just didn't say this out right. [size=78%]

[/size]Xbox One gets a another game at launch called Kinect Sports Rivals preseasns [size=78%]

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Kinect Sports Rivals Preseason will feature wake racing, one of the game's six activities. The trial version will also include exclusive in-game rewards and, through March 2014, monthly multiplayer challenges that unlock those rewards.[size=78%]

[/size]Xbox One owners who download the Preseason trial between Nov. 22 - 30 can unlock bonuses like a "Founder" player title, a Kinect Sports Rivals wetsuit and a wake racer. Also available to download on Nov. 22 will be the Kinect Sports Rivals Hub, where players can keep track of global competitive and local multiplayer challenges.
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[/size]Think of it as the rayman Challange app with what will be the best game on the disc. [size=78%]

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Post by: shingi_70 on October 29, 2013, 12:51:37 PM
Halo Spartan assault is dropping onto Xbox One and Xbox 360 this December.  Its a port featuring the first expansion and online co-op. The Co-op mode is a top down horde mode fighting the Flood.

Johnthan Ross has been hired by Microsoft as a Executive Producer for Microsoft Games Studio.  Dude is probably going to be helping with the entertainment studio stuff and probably reviving Inside Xbox in some form.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 29, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
More **** might have just hit the (second) wind turbine (http://doddscientifics.com/2013/10/28/xbox-one-os-and-xbox-live-issues-bouncing-about-as-we-approach-launch/).

Quote
Ok, first off: the origin of the rumor. I was contacted by someone claiming to be a dev. He told me a bunch of info. I had no idea if it was true or not. I know a lot of people really hate me currently so I was very weary that I was being trolled by a well-informed person. I was looking for other sources for hours. Nothing. And then I got partial verification from another dev (not that he/she disagreed with part, but only knew part and said it was 100% correct) and then at once I got verification by two people who have never wronged me. So this isn’t flimsy but I’m still filing it under rumor because, well, it is.  But it isn’t.
 
 I’m putting it all out on the line here. I enjoy breaking leaks but if this is wrong I’m fucked. I know this. This is how much I trust the people who have verified (and I hope for a CBoaT appearance).
 
 The short story is that Xbox Live and the OS, especially in functions that involve XBL, are a complete fucking mess. One source says we aren’t talking weeks until it works correctly but “months.” Things like parties dropping people when moving from one thing to another. Connectivity issues. Missed invites. Friend requests not working, etc.
 
 He then said “If all you are doing is running a game and that’s the only app things are fine.”
 
 So why do think things are going wrong?
 
 “The system OS and network integration was written by a group of people who do not play games. They don’t understand why things were set up in the ways they were designed by J Allard back in ’05.”
 
 So… what changed?
 
 “Let me get into some technical detail regarding it – on 360, the OS handles all of the party and chat functionality. All you do is hook up the XBL VOiP OS API into your game, and it does most of the work for you. With it results in is a shared experience across multiple entertainment. If you’re watching movies or playing games, you can do it together. However, this system is entirely different on Xbox One. So, lets say me, you, and Thuway have xbox one’s that are online. We are signed in our profiles. Sitting at the home screen, we are considered to be in a “Xbox Party” on the server. There are no more ‘party leaders’. With that said if any one of us decide to start a game, the party is shifted over to that game’s party system. Each game now has their custom written VOIP.” (Pete note: shoutout to thuway!)
 
 “In essence, it is almost EXACTLY how it was on the PS3, and it is in those API “handshakes” that is breaking the online experience.”
 
 I asked if could be fixed soon. He said that anything is possible and Microsoft is obviously working on it but he thinks it will be months, not weeks. Getting online launch games certified is taking so long that it’s pushing games after launch back.
 
 Talking to a different developer he says: “Yeah, getting anything online to work was a pain for months, barely worked at the very end of last month. Adding friends, sending game invites or even achievements’ toasts could be a nightmare. I don’t know that much outside of “my” project, but from what I saw in others, online was always a problem. No idea if this will still be an issue at launch though, I think it would be too much, but it looks like it won’t be flawless at all.”
 
 As of now the Xbox One OS and XBL (the name for the XBL side of Azure is “Thunderhead”) are having major issues. Maybe it will be fixed in time, maybe it won’t. The obvious question to me was does this have to do with Microsoft reversing the DRM and having to strip it out (Pete note: That would partially make it my fault and I wouldn’t like that at all)?
 
 “This was happening either way. This was built into the OS long ago. The DRM-removal clogged their pipelines somewhat, but this blockage was always there. It’s just simply a way they setup the VOIP API and how it would be handled. It was an oversight, not just voip, all of parties and network connectivity really.”
 
 Ok, anything else?
 
 “By the way, do not be surprised at the reaction you get from MS over this.”
 
 Yeah, I know.


The Xbox division needs someone like Shuhei Yoshida or Satoru Iwata running things, someone with actual experience in the gaming industry. Microsoft has proven time and time again that they don't get the global gaming industry. They're too focused on one market (America), while they basically ignore the rest of the world (like Japan).
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Post by: magicpixie on October 29, 2013, 06:30:23 PM
So... how about that Titanfall exclusive?  Kotaku says that EA confirmed that Titanfall will be exclusive to Xbone, 360, and PC for the life of the title, however long that is.

Gaf pretty much exploded overnight with the comparisons between the Xbone and PS4 versions of Battlefield 4.  Xbone version is 720p, while the PS4 version runs at 900p.  PS4 also apparently has a slight FPS advantage and better AA.  It'll be interesting to see what kind of impact that kind of disparity will have on sales.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 29, 2013, 06:35:41 PM
Sony finally learned their lessons from the PS3's hardware bottlenecks (thanks Mark Cerny!). Meanwhile, Microsoft's insistence on PC-like multitasking caused them to overlook the gaming capabilities of the console.


My how times have changed. You'd expect Microsoft to be more prepared for this stuff, since they're supposedly experts at PC software.


Speaking of Sony, they've made some very good decisions lately:
- Hiring Mark Cerny as the lead PS4 architect
- Refusing to copy Microsoft's old DRM policies
- Offering the PlayStation Camera as an optional accessory to keep the PS4 price low
- Pushing cloud gaming (Gaikai) as a truly innovative concept over TV multitasking
- Promoting Shuheu Yoshida as head of 1st-party development (the guy's basically Sony's version of Iwata)


It's good to be a PlayStation fan.
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Post by: magicpixie on October 29, 2013, 07:13:03 PM
Lulz.

(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/5927/jzol.png)

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Post by: Shaymin on October 29, 2013, 09:17:56 PM
So we can pencil the Titanfall GOTY edition in for Q1 2015 on PS4, then?

Looks like the best mech game race is still on with X then.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 29, 2013, 10:05:02 PM
Everyone knows how "Loyal" EA is. Its going to be nothing but laughs when it gets real.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 29, 2013, 10:35:13 PM
Well, I wonder if Sony is having similar problems with their launch it just isn't as public.  Right now Microsoft has made themselves a huge target with Xbox One, and with console tradition the 3rd console seems to be the console companies make bad choices with.

Nintendo - Nintendo 64
Sony - PS3
Microsoft - Xbox One
Sega - Sega Saturn

I am not saying that these mistakes will not lead to a good console or will potentially call doom for that generation.  Just that the company got arrogant or looked at the market and made a bad choice in design/approach for the console.

I think this is Microsoft's turn...and people have been on alert with Microsoft ever since there unveiling of the system.  But, perhaps Sony isn't all perfect either.  Perhaps there are behind the scenes problems coming up that nobody is talking about.

At any rate, the launches for both of these systems are rapidly approaching and I am surprised we are not getting more media information, game information, and details.  Of course, perhaps we are and I just haven't seen it.
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Post by: broodwars on October 29, 2013, 11:18:33 PM
At any rate, the launches for both of these systems are rapidly approaching and I am surprised we are not getting more media information, game information, and details.  Of course, perhaps we are and I just haven't seen it.

Well, Killzone 4 is already out on store shelves, and I have it. Knack is releasing on Saturday. The information is out there. People just can't poke at it yet.

I did find the GameTrailers Battlefield 4 video review rather hilarious, though, with how they came right out at the start of their review and said that Microsoft & EA wouldn't let them show footage of the Xbone version, so it was all PS4 & PC footage. Expect a lot of that at this launch as Microsoft tries to hide the inferior versions of the multiplatform games.
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Post by: magicpixie on October 30, 2013, 03:55:51 PM
Inferior multiplatform versions of games like Call of Duty: Ghosts?

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rqqa5o (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rqqa5o)

Quote
...but wanted to confirm that for Xbox One we’re 1080p upscaled from 720p. And, we’re native 1080p on PS4.  We optimized each console to hit 60 FPS and the game looks great on both.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 30, 2013, 05:25:13 PM
Sony finally learned their lessons from the PS3's hardware bottlenecks (thanks Mark Cerny!). Meanwhile, Microsoft's insistence on PC-like multitasking caused them to overlook the gaming capabilities of the console.


My how times have changed. You'd expect Microsoft to be more prepared for this stuff, since they're supposedly experts at PC software.


Speaking of Sony, they've made some very good decisions lately:
- Hiring Mark Cerny as the lead PS4 architect
- Refusing to copy Microsoft's old DRM policies
- Offering the PlayStation Camera as an optional accessory to keep the PS4 price low
- Pushing cloud gaming (Gaikai) as a truly innovative concept over TV multitasking
- Promoting Shuheu Yoshida as head of 1st-party development (the guy's basically Sony's version of Iwata)


It's good to be a PlayStation fan.

-Really wasn't much of a hiring rather than a continuation. Dude was the lead on the Vita.
-I still think Sony thought about it. Publicly saying **** that was great.
-I'd rather have the system come with the camera  to be honest. No point I having free play room if half the consumers can't play it right?
-Cloud gaming is still unviable to a vast majority of consumers though. Plus Microsoft is working on their own Rio could system.
-Eh Shu has more in common with Phil Spencer than Iwata tbh. I don't think Nintendo even has a head of first party development like the other two do.

A console isn't the same as a PC and all indications show that Microsoft planned to launch next year but accelerated their plans after the PS4 event. Everything about their roadmap just screms the project got pushed forward. They'd rather have some stumblings and fucks up that can be ignored or fixed instead of getting PS3'd which is even a worse situation.

Still expect it too do pretty well though. AT least better than the Wii U

Microsoft is doing a four part Ryse Mini series that will air on Machima.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/10/games-ryse-the-fall

Phil Spencer was on this week's podcast Unlocked and seems like a pretty good guy. Most important tidbits were

Quote
•Sunset Overdrive is something they're playing and planned for next fall (currently anyway). Will discuss other games for next year after launch - probably early 2014 I guess?
•D4/Kinect Sports Rivals are early 2014
•Gears has run its course in the current story. They’d need to consider a reboot with Epic but would want to do it
•PGR is a maybe but they’re full in the racing space atm (which suggests Forza Horizon 2?)
•Phil says he’s a big fan of Halo Wars and discusses it with 343 studio head but hasn't spoken to Robot Entertainment in a while so they probably wouldn't make it
•Said Rare has controller based games in their future, he doesn’t force them to do anything as he knows the staff will just leave and he’s been speaking to studio head at Rare over the summer about whats next. Heads have been (unsurprisingly turned) at Rare over the positive reaction to Killer Instinct, some interesting things brewing over there
•Phil said he has the green light to buy anyone he wants pretty much (developer wise) but he doesn’t for various reasons, e.g. Epic and Crytek are both in the engine business (didn’t say Epic/Crytek but he did say engine business) which is interesting. He said that having internal studios isn;t any cheaper to having an external studio work on a game so thats why he can buy if it makes sense for the developer and Microsoft
•Ryse was rebooted because they didn't think the quality was there in the Xbox 360 version and Crytek wanted to a launch title when MS approached them about it. They had it running at 720p/900p/1080p and looked at what was best for what they wanted to add going forward which was 900p
•He liked Kameo said PDZ was good not great, was disappointed it wasn't better and didn't do better
•Titanfall wasn't specifically ever really discussed for launch, thinks its coming out at a great time for them in March
•Harmonix are busy with the Fantasia game but they'd like to work with them again for another Dance Central


Going off that quote I think  Microsoft planned to **** over EA and buy respawn. The first game can't go to other consoles due to the contract and Respawn nor the IP is owned by EA.
Microsoft Studios twitch is livestreming the Ryse Multiplayer. Doesn't look as hot as the single player. Not sure if the game is Janky, the guys suck at the game, or both.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 31, 2013, 12:54:31 PM
This month's Games for Gold are A world of Kelfings (coming to Wii U soon) and Iron Brigade. Yeah makes the decesion to go to sony even more easy.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 31, 2013, 03:57:04 PM
Phil Spencer is the head of the Xbox division, right? Did you really just say that Microsoft can just buy whatever developer they want?
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 01, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
Phil Spencer is the head of the Xbox division, right? Did you really just say that Microsoft can just buy whatever developer they want?


Dude said he has the green light to acquire whomever he wnated to but doesn't see the point when he can  cultivate strong second party relationships like he has with Remedy and Crytek or building internal studios.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 01, 2013, 05:03:21 PM
So can the Xbox One play MP3s and stream media from a PC? ;) Or is Microsoft going to force us to use Xbox Music?
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 01, 2013, 09:31:43 PM
 (Not to troll): The Xbox One is working with technology that was made in 2001, so of course it is not going to operate the same as modern consoles.  :P:
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 06, 2013, 03:52:30 PM
Microsoft is taking a note out of nintendo;s playbook and giving Unity Pro for free with every Xbox One Devkit.


http://news.xbox.com/2013/11/xbox-one-unity-id


The season pass for Forza 5 will be $50 fucking dollars for 10 car packs up into may of next year.


http://news.xbox.com/2013/11/games-forza-motorsport-5-car-pass-and-laferrari-car-pack-announcement


Ryse son of rome season pass is $20 for mulitplayer maps and weapons


http://news.xbox.com/2013/11/games-ryse-seasonpass


All Xbox One cards will include QR codes to read on kinect via a vine from Major Nelson.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 08, 2013, 06:58:56 AM
Microsoft just released a 12 minute walkthrough of the OS features. A bit bummed its not a real nerdy look into it, or even shows the xbox store but than the Wii U pre launch overview was pretty simple.



[youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhe6jV-APwM


(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131108%20AIO%20Showcases/Dashboard%20Screenshots/Achievements/Achievements_1P.jpg)
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131108%20AIO%20Showcases/Dashboard%20Screenshots/Home/Home_US_1P.jpg)
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131108%20AIO%20Showcases/Dashboard%20Screenshots/Hulu%20Plus/Hulu%20Plus_Popular%20TV.png)
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131108%20AIO%20Showcases/Dashboard%20Screenshots/Machinima/Machinima%20Xbox%20One_Start.png)
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131108%20AIO%20Showcases/Dashboard%20Screenshots/Media%20Achievements/Media%20Achievements_Amazon%20Instant%20Video.jpg)


The first wave of non gaming apps for the xbox One are

Amazon Instant Video
Crackle
CWTV
ESPN
FOX NOW
FXNOW
HBO GO (coming soon)
Hulu Plus
Machinima
MUZU TV
Netflix
Redbox Instant by Verizon
Target Ticket
TED
The NFL on Xbox One
Twitch
Univision Deportes
Verizon FiOS TV
VUDU

Xbox Fitness
Xbox Video
Xbox Music
Internet Explorer
Skype
SkyDrive
Upload


what type of world is is when Nintendo can get youtube at launch but not Microsoft or Sony.
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Post by: azeke on November 08, 2013, 07:23:40 AM
Just watched that video.

Pretty impressive. As software engineer myself, i really appreciate clean UI and that kind of stuff.

what type of world is is when Nintendo can get youtube at launch but not Microsoft or Sony.
Youtube is too busy ruining their service on PC and all other existing devices.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 09, 2013, 12:10:57 AM
Someone got an Xbox On early update and all and here's some shots of what the store looks like.


(http://i.imgur.com/ZLyPuDP.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/HxiZRTl.png)




I hope we see the PS4 UI more next monday.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 09, 2013, 09:26:27 AM
Dude who got the one early posted more stuff befre being console banned. Stupid on MS's part as the guy said he would reccomend the system despite all the bad news and it was really good.


(http://gyazo.com/803a784dc06191c20f2eb82315be61bb.png)
(http://gyazo.com/7e1c23317b8b2d85ef160355af6875b9.png)
(http://gyazo.com/47f26e9a972e75e8b4b0e7da8a482314.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/peB8Vi9.png)
(http://gyazo.com/11463e1b6ea51174213fa23577bef96e.png)
(http://gyazo.com/20dab743236dc7bbc06026ecb4b1d054.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Z6jA5rK.png)
(http://gyazo.com/83b82bf699c12d9dd8d4389fd4dd6eee.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/tFuIWYf.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/3uQgfMe.jpg)
[mg]http://i.imgur.com/pS4SQVY.jpg




My favorite part is this.
(http://gyazo.com/e3e477bb001822fd19460d52abeb5daf.png)


Such a good idea to show top games and people playing them.


The Actual thread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=711880


Those naysaying insiders have alot to answer for
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Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2013, 09:56:24 AM
Yeah that UI demonstration got to second guess my choice.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 09, 2013, 11:12:41 AM
The One has greatly improved in my mind, but PS4 still has the most support and is $100 cheape. I am alittle concerned that sony hasn't showed off any UI or won't have the suspend/resume feature at launch.


The guy said after about 25 minutes of downloading Ghosts he could play while the rest downloaded.


Game sizes

Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag - 20GB
Battlefield 4 - 33GB (Source)
Call of Duty: Ghosts - 39GB
Crimson Dragon
Dead Rising 3 - 19GB
FIFA 14 - 8GB
Fighter Within - 9.2GB (Source)
Forza Motorsport 5 - 31GB
Just Dance 2014 - 22GB
Killer Instinct - 2.4GB (Source) // 3.4GB for full install, can play after downloading 2.4GB (Source)
Lego Marvel Super Heroes
Lococycle - 13GB
Madden NFL 25 - 12GB
NBA 2K14 - 43GB
NBA Live 14 - 9GB
Need for Speed: Rivals
Powerstar Golf - 3.9GB (Source)
Ryse: Son of Rome - 34GB
Skylanders: Swap Force - 15GB
Xbox Fitness - 246MB (Source)
Zoo Tycoon - 2.6GB (Source)
Zumba: World Party - 24GB
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Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2013, 11:49:23 AM
Well at least Swap Force should only take 15GB on my PS4
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 10, 2013, 10:05:40 AM
Pretty ridiculous of Microsoft to ban people (especially their fucking console) who got it early. Here's a better idea - turn off Xbox Live for XBox One (for non-dev kit systems) until the launch date. ****, Infinity Ward rewarded people who got Modern Warfare 2 early.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 10, 2013, 10:48:23 AM
Pretty ridiculous of Microsoft to ban people (especially their fucking console) who got it early. Here's a better idea - turn off Xbox Live for XBox One (for non-dev kit systems) until the launch date. ****, Infinity Ward rewarded people who got Modern Warfare 2 early.


You do realize that's whats happening right, The guy can still get on live on his 360 and the console still works offline.  All consoles that aren't on the Dev Kit or Beta white list can't connect and Major Nelson already  said they'll all be back online on luanch day and invited the main leaker to the Xbone launch event.
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Post by: magicpixie on November 10, 2013, 11:39:23 AM
Yeah, I'm not too broken up about how this shook down. 

The One has greatly improved in my mind, but PS4 still has the most support and is $100 cheape. I am alittle concerned that sony hasn't showed off any UI or won't have the suspend/resume feature at launch.


The guy said after about 25 minutes of downloading Ghosts he could play while the rest downloaded.


Game sizes

Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag - 20GB
Battlefield 4 - 33GB (Source)
Call of Duty: Ghosts - 39GB
Crimson Dragon
Dead Rising 3 - 19GB
FIFA 14 - 8GB
Fighter Within - 9.2GB (Source)
Forza Motorsport 5 - 31GB
Just Dance 2014 - 22GB
Killer Instinct - 2.4GB (Source) // 3.4GB for full install, can play after downloading 2.4GB (Source)
Lego Marvel Super Heroes
Lococycle - 13GB
Madden NFL 25 - 12GB
NBA 2K14 - 43GB
NBA Live 14 - 9GB
Need for Speed: Rivals
Powerstar Golf - 3.9GB (Source)
Ryse: Son of Rome - 34GB
Skylanders: Swap Force - 15GB
Xbox Fitness - 246MB (Source)
Zoo Tycoon - 2.6GB (Source)
Zumba: World Party - 24GB

Lol, I don't know which is more disturbing, how small the EA games are compared to 2k, or how big 2k14 is compared to the EA games.  My first thought is that the games should at least be in the same ballpark considering their scope, but who knows.  Most people haven't been all that impressed with what EA have shown so far, so maybe this explains the reaction.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 10, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
Well Madden has a small sixe because at the end of the day its a 7th gen game. 2k14 is pretty damn big but I know its supposed to be better looking and have some next gen exclusive modes.


Live is a whole different beast as its the only one of the the sports games that will be  next gen only. I'm guessing EA took the lazy road and made the game as barebones as possible.
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Post by: pokepal148 on November 10, 2013, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: Shingi_70
The first wave of non gaming apps for the xbox One are

Amazon Instant Video
Crackle
CWTV
ESPN
FOX NOW
FXNOW
HBO GO (coming soon)
Hulu Plus
Machinima
MUZU TV
Netflix
Redbox Instant by Verizon
Target Ticket
TED
The NFL on Xbox One
Twitch
Univision Deportes
Verizon FiOS TV
VUDU

Xbox Fitness
Xbox Video
Xbox Music
Internet Explorer
Skype
SkyDrive
Upload


what type of world is is when Nintendo can get youtube at launch but not Microsoft or Sony.
Are they even trying to break the whole
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18oh09l9gc3p4gif/ku-medium.gif)
Reputation they've built for themselves
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Post by: magicpixie on November 10, 2013, 12:42:20 PM
I still can't stand the fact that MS is hiding so many apps behind the Live paywall.  I hope everybody that ends up with both consoles and uses these apps uses them on PS4 so that Sony don't get any bright ideas to lock the same services behind PS+.

And I'm still weary of NBA Live, just because of its shady history.  EA obviously has a reputation for junk these days, so that's definitely a title I think a lot of people will stay away from.
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Post by: Shaymin on November 10, 2013, 02:25:55 PM
People should get PS+ for the games. The option of dealing with idiots online is an unpleasant side effect.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 11, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
Never saw that Microsoft would reverse the bans after launch...still, they should have had that in place from the get-go. And really, they should probably give stuff away to the people that got their consoles early, after all, they've apparently been giving away free games and XBox One consoles to random Xbox Live long-time users.
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 11, 2013, 02:25:29 AM
Does anyone think that Microsoft might ever come out with their own version of the Vita TV? Something that streams Xbox 360 games via the cloud and has Kinect support? It could be called "Xbox TV".
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Post by: broodwars on November 11, 2013, 02:40:19 AM
Does anyone think that Microsoft might ever come out with their own version of the Vita TV? Something that streams Xbox 360 games via the cloud and has Kinect support? It could be called "Xbox TV".

They wouldn't call it Xbox TV. The Xbone already IS Xbox TV. It's all the thing seems to do, and it's all its supporters seems to want to talk about outside Call of Mechwarrior.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 11, 2013, 12:39:27 PM
The Xbox One seems to have fixed the UI problems with the 360.


(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131108%20AIO%20Showcases/Dashboard%20Screenshots/Home/Home_US_1P.jpg)


You have your main screen.
-In the middle your most recent app.
-To the left you have your profile and friends list.
-to the right and down one you get your games library
-On the bottom are your four recent apps and next to it is the disc insert
-You also have three panels for recommendations.


That's pretty desgin and my only change would be to put the disc and collection tiles above the snap tile.


(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131108%20AIO%20Showcases/Dashboard%20Screenshots/Pins/Pins_US_1P.jpg)


One bumper/swipe to the left brings up the pin aera where you can pin up to 20 apps/games that you enjoy.


(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131108%20AIO%20Showcases/Dashboard%20Screenshots/Store/Store_US_3P.jpg)


One bumper/swipe to the right puts you at the store no longer being a ton of tabs.

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 11, 2013, 04:15:23 PM
Yeah, it still looks pretty terrible to me. XMB isn't perfect, but it's the most cleanly organized console UI there is. Windows Media Center almost had everything nailed down.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 11, 2013, 06:50:56 PM
Actually I like it.  It makes sense.  The question will be how functional is it with a controller.

I was playing on the PS3 again.  And I realized why I hate the user interface.  I can never understand how to get back to the menu.

The menu system is somewhat functional, if not ugly, but then I press the main menu button and I can never figure out which buttons do what.  I end up pressing each button and never get anywhere.

This layout looks quite nice, and if the layout of buttons to menus and selecting, deselecting things in the menu work...then it will be fantastic.

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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 13, 2013, 06:16:20 PM
Being a huge fan of the Windows Phone, I'm liking the design of the Xbox One's interface. The PS4's interface? Not so much.
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Post by: pokepal148 on November 14, 2013, 12:21:25 AM
(http://www.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/postimages/15741/metroall.JPG)
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 14, 2013, 03:25:49 PM
lol


Xbox One is getting Games for Gold next year.
(http://i.imgur.com/w96mdgX.png)

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Post by: shingi_70 on November 16, 2013, 12:04:15 AM
Think about going back on team xbox, (Yes I know i'm a god damn undescive mess). I


I was only going for the PS4 becuase everyone else was, but I feel the Xbox has a better launch line up and software that appals to me. I don't care anout the lack of alot of indie stufff on the onset since I will have a Wii U and a PC as well.


Skydrive will be on the Xbox One at launch and will work as a photos/video player depending on if you use the service. (I do but mostly for documents with photos here and there.)


(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131112%20Skydrive/SkyDrive001.png)


(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/Xbox%20One/20131112%20Skydrive/SkyDrive002.png)


Looking at the second image i'm wondering how excatly the new guide will work.


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Post by: magicpixie on November 16, 2013, 02:17:29 AM
Think about going back on team xbox, (Yes I know i'm a god damn undescive mess).

Why be team anything?  Just pick what you like, you don't have to justify your choices to anybody else.  I was super tempted to try and pick up a PS4 yesterday, and when Best Buy sent me an email saying they were selling them again, I ALMOST took the bait.  In the end, I remembered that there aren't any games that I'm willing to shell out $500 for right now, and the same can be said for the XB1.  Barring any unforeseen circumstances(layoffs, reinstating DRM policies, out of wedlock children...), I'll probably end up with both consoles again at some point.  I'll probably switch my lead platform to PC for multiplats, unless horrible ports become a thing again. 

Review embargoes are lifted gradually next week, not all at once.  I kind of like that strategy from the perspective of MS keeping their fans in suspense, and keeping their launch in the news to some degree.  The fan in me hates the strategy, and only sees conspiracies.  I think Ryse's embargo is up on launch day...  Very interesting, indeed.  Kind of wish some reviews would "leak", like IGN's Mario 3D World review.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 16, 2013, 02:27:04 AM
Well I'm team games first and foremost, but to be honest Xbox one is showing more stuff that appeals to me tbh.

I'm getting a Wii U next month and the PS4 seems a bit like an all gamingbmachine something I don't want two of.

I'll probably be going all digital on both consoles as well. The more I think about it but both the PS4 and xbone and to a lesser extent the Wii U are made for digital products.

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Post by: shingi_70 on November 20, 2013, 09:30:42 AM
Reviews are out and the gaming press is giving it a bit higher or lower than the PS4. The mainstream tech and regular press are loving the ever living **** out of the thing however.

I do find it interesting that no one is reviewing on specs and instead taking about the potential of the system. Seems like people are giving the XONE left **** than Microsoft since the XONE was being more ambitious than being a better improved PS3. You can easily tell where each company decided their focus.

Quote
Xbox One review: This is the console of the future - Fortune

Xbox One Is a Slice of the Future - Rolling Stone

The Xbox One is the closest thing to the future of television we’ve yet seen - Hollywood Reporter

Xbox One a great game player _ and more - AP

Xbox One review: The gaming device that goes far beyond gaming - Consumer Reports

Xbox One: A family-focused console that goes beyond gaming - Washington Post

Xbox One review: Compelling console with a strong lineup of games - NBC News

 Some mainstream sites were really definitive in saying the Xbox One was definitely the best choice this holiday:

Only real problem I see is Kinect is still borky as hell but that's voice controls in general. It seems odd that watching all these people fail at voice commands like on the gamespot stream do these guys use stuff like Google Now or Siri. They seem to be igonoring that you have to "Xbox" let it buffer than the command, I was surprised when Kinect would react to the whole mouthful.  It seems that they didn't even attempt to calibrate it or use it like a normal person would. Even Google Now which I sprobably the best first party voice app thingy is Janky as hell when I try to go "OK Google play songs by Hall and Oates" usually I have to say OK google pause and than my voice command.

Just found it funny they had a harder time with the Xbone Kinect than I do with my Kinect for 360.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 20, 2013, 12:10:07 PM
Those kind of reviews are going to kill it for gamers.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 20, 2013, 06:06:44 PM
Not sure why it should, but I do think gamers want something only for games. (ironic how they ignore the Wii U though)

Boogie2988's video comparing both

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIZiA_qzYA4

His breakdown is pretty much

Ps4: For gamers, by gamers. The ultimate game console and gaming system. its awesome. Whether its AAA titles like Second Son or Indie games like Contrast and Rezogun, these guys have an amazing GAMING console.

 Xbox: A wonderful entertainment console... that also plays games. Enhanced tv watching, enhanced music/video streaming, built in skype, snapping a web browser onto your screen while you wait to matchmake your online games. Just a great entertainment experience (but you sacrifice somewhat on the video quality for games)

Pretty much you can't go wrong either way. It was pretty telling about target audiences that he like's the PS4 a bit more while his wife could live without it but was enamored by the X1.

My only real worry is indies on the XONE but after the ID program is going I see n reasons for indies to target the Xbox One unless they're dumb. I can stand a Q1 indie drought next year on the One but things should even out in the summer. Rumor is that Micorosoft is waiting to announce the first indie games because they got the Super Meat Boy Guys back.

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Post by: magicpixie on November 21, 2013, 03:57:33 PM
Just thought I'd mention, as I did in the PS4 thread, for anybody picking up an Xbone.  Battlefield 4, for many people, is an unplayable mess across all platforms so far.  They have disabled features, sent out patches, and sacrificed virgins, yet the game is still quite unstable.  I believe that Conquest/64-player mode is still disabled for the PS4 version, and that was one of the biggest bullet-points for next-gen.  Of course, EA and MS have their "historic partnership", so maybe it'll work fine for the Xbone(which would cause a shitstorm of epic proportions; EA worst company in America three years in a row?).

If you decide to pick it up anyway, the game is excellent when it is working(multiplayer, at least).  Just be prepared for frequent crashing, and various other bugs.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 21, 2013, 07:45:27 PM
magicpixie:  Did you get BOTH new systems?  And the same game on both?  Are you made of money?
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Post by: magicpixie on November 21, 2013, 09:43:14 PM
Nah, I got the game on PC, but since launch has been plagued by bugs and crashes, I was curious if the experience would be better on PS4.  Turned out, PS4's experience is probably worse, since there's a widespread bug that corrupts your single-player save file, and makes it impossible to play the game at all without reinstalling.  And the highly-touted 64-player Conquest mode is currently unavailable.  There hasn't been much about the game's issues from the gaming media, so I figured I'd give everybody here a heads-up in case they were wondering.

My stance on the Xbone is softening rapidly, and it'll probably end up being what the PS3 was for me last-gen: my secondary console behind the PS4 as long as MS delivers the quality exclusives.  Between now and Christmas is going to be all about Zelda, Mario, and Tearaway(finally, something new for my Vita!).
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Post by: Shaymin on November 21, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
Ruh roh raggy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpIi59IXH9A

I know Microsoft wants you to go digital, but sheesh. (Also, can we mock the guy for shooting the video like that?)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2013, 12:47:22 AM
I saw an XboxOne in person today. Non functioning display model.

The new Kinect is fucking HUGE!! like the size of a box of saltine crackers.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 23, 2013, 12:49:55 AM
I saw an XboxOne in person today. Non functioning display model.

The new Kinect is fucking HUGE!! like the size of a box of saltine crackers.


It's not much bigger than the first Kinect actually.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2013, 01:49:18 AM
Never realized the 1st Kinect was that big. I knew it wasn't small, and it was kinda long, but the new one is a box.

It's a little thicker than a Wii, about 30% longer and about half as deep. and that's just the single camera box that is Kinect 2.0.
That is big.
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 23, 2013, 02:15:29 AM
To give an idea of how big the XBone is you can put the Wii U and normal Wii on top of the console with no over lap.
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Post by: Shaymin on November 23, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Saw my first Xbone live demo unit yesterday. Going back to the same store today so I can yell "Xbox Bing Bangbus" and run.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 23, 2013, 08:11:32 AM
Awesome. The Xbone is fucking huge - AND it still has an external power supply, which is baffling. It also runs 15 degrees hotter on average (or at least outputs air that is 15 degrees hotter). SONY has already moved onto the slim PS4, at least in terms of form factor (only 10mm bigger than a PS3 slim) and Xbone is bigger than the original Xbox 360 model.

So, to sum it up...PS4 packs more power (simply by having GDDR5 RAM, and another ARM processor with 256MB RAM), has an INTERNAL power supply, weighs 3 pounds less than the Xbone, and all around looks about 40% smaller. Crazy.


http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000027cbc/26db/Next-gen-console-size-comparison.jpg (http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000027cbc/26db/Next-gen-console-size-comparison.jpg)


Comparison photo ^
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Post by: magicpixie on November 23, 2013, 12:50:22 PM
Thanks to modern journalism, I only understand size comparisons as factors of Rhode Islands, or refrigerators.  If any of you could rephrase your comparisons to include those, that would be great!
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 23, 2013, 10:58:20 PM
Over 9000.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 24, 2013, 02:58:14 AM
Awesome. The Xbone is fucking huge - AND it still has an external power supply, which is baffling. It also runs 15 degrees hotter on average (or at least outputs air that is 15 degrees hotter). SONY has already moved onto the slim PS4, at least in terms of form factor (only 10mm bigger than a PS3 slim) and Xbone is bigger than the original Xbox 360 model.

So, to sum it up...PS4 packs more power (simply by having GDDR5 RAM, and another ARM processor with 256MB RAM), has an INTERNAL power supply, weighs 3 pounds less than the Xbone, and all around looks about 40% smaller. Crazy.


http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000027cbc/26db/Next-gen-console-size-comparison.jpg (http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000027cbc/26db/Next-gen-console-size-comparison.jpg)


Comparison photo ^


The only reason why Microsoft made the Xbox One so big is so it had plenty of airflow, and to fit that huge cooling fan inside it. They're making sure the RROD fiasco doesn't happen again, ever.


And there will be an Xbox One Slim coming in a few years (guaranteed), just like there were slim versions of the PS3 and Xbox 360.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 24, 2013, 09:26:31 AM
PS3 has better airflow, and better heat sinks. This is why the PS3 runs (apparently) 15 degrees cooler - that's WITH an internal power supply.

Those slim Xbox 360s still get the RRoD = it's rare, but it does still happen. Yes, technically it's a single red dot, but you get the secondary error code the same way, and they have the same problem.
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Post by: oohhboy on November 24, 2013, 09:56:39 AM
Regarding air flow, size isn't everything. It's all about the volume of air moved over the heat sinks and out of the box. Having a big box can actually make it harder for air to get out of the box which means you are recycling hot air over already hot heat sinks. The WiiU heat solution is basically one big wind tunnel.

Because the bone exhausts directly upward, its boned if something gets put on top of it. The fan does nothing with only natural flow coming in and out the sides. The design is pretty much your standard American brute force and Microsoft's infamous lack of awareness as to how people use things.

There is enough space in there to place an internal power source and change the cooling solution to a front and back wind tunnel. But nah, just blow 100 Million on a new controller instead.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 25, 2013, 02:32:32 AM
With the Wii U being a "big wind tunnel", was that a genius design move by Nintendo?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 25, 2013, 02:35:42 AM
After what happened with the 360, I'm absolutely sure Microsoft did everything they could to make sure it wouldn't overheat.
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Post by: ymeegod on November 25, 2013, 02:57:11 AM
Actually the RROD happended because developers pushed the Xbox passed it's designed specs (175W was the supposed limit for fat xbox but certain games ran up to 200w).

For this generation the WII U really doesn't have to worry about heat--70w at full loadout while the xbox 1 is running around 120 and the ps4 is at 140w.  I really don't think heat is going be much of an issue unless developers try to "unlock" more power out of the systems. 

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My biggest gripe is why stay with slot disc drives.  They tend to wear down to quick IMO compared to tray drives but I would love it if they went back to top-loaded systems--the less moving parts the better.

My current PS3 drive is dying (again) and this is going be the 2nd replacement I needed--granted it has over 2000+ hours of use easy but I still hate replacing them because the little plastic gears wear down.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 25, 2013, 08:33:03 AM
Actually the RROD happended because developers pushed the Xbox passed it's designed specs (175W was the supposed limit for fat xbox but certain games ran up to 200w).

That is 100% not true, and completely impossible to do. You can't make the system use more power than it can consume. The RRoD and Yellow Light of Death on the PS3 are due to cold solder joints under the GPU, which are caused due to the design of the consoles. You can get the RRoD or Yellow Light without ever playing a single game on your console - the constant heat/cool cycle of the system running and shutting off causes the lead-free solder to expand and contract and over time it becomes brittle and cracks. It has nothing to do with game X or Y or any developers.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 25, 2013, 12:13:04 PM
"You can't make the system use more power than it can consume."

Overclocking?
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Post by: Ceric on November 25, 2013, 12:38:05 PM
What h
"You can't make the system use more power than it can consume."

Overclocking?
What he's getting at is that the Power Supply can't take in more power then its rated for or it will pop.  So 175w power Supply can't take in 200w.
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Post by: ymeegod on November 25, 2013, 02:34:38 PM
About the solder issue--it wasn't because of the lead-free soldering was used, it was more or less operator error.  Lead-free was new and operators weren't trained to tell the difference between a good joint or not. 

But the main cause for "bad" joints to fail was the GPU heat issue which caused warpage and stress to badly solder joints.   

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Just about all electronics is using lead-free even the WII which never had an issue.

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 25, 2013, 04:11:30 PM
Exactly. You can overclock a PC processor - you cannot overclock an Xbox 360 processor, especially through a game.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 25, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
About the solder issue--it wasn't because of the lead-free soldering was used, it was more or less operator error.  Lead-free was new and operators weren't trained to tell the difference between a good joint or not. 

But the main cause for "bad" joints to fail was the GPU heat issue which caused warpage and stress to badly solder joints.   

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Just about all electronics is using lead-free even the WII which never had an issue.

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Lead-free solder causes this to happen quicker, and it certainly is not operator error. You're not using your console wrong by playing games or watching movies on it. I've fixed *thousands* of RRoD systems, it's not because people are doing anything wrong.

If you mean operator as in the assembly line, that is patently wrong too. These are BGA chips, with hundreds of solder joints under the chip that you can't even look at to determine if it's a good joint or not - and again, this isn't (most of the time) occurring on the assembly line (or your console would be DOA.

The Wii doesn't have this issue because it has better heat management, and better overall design, and it's weak as hell.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 25, 2013, 04:21:21 PM
Having said that, millions of RRoD systems is better than millions of lead-poisoned kids.
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Post by: Ceric on November 25, 2013, 04:26:02 PM
Having said that, millions of RRoD systems is better than millions of lead-poisoned kids.
I doubt that would happen.  Honestly think at most it be 10's of kids.  You have to open and interact with it.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 25, 2013, 04:38:30 PM
Ok, well 10's of kids isn't that bad. I'd probably be dead now though.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 25, 2013, 04:44:00 PM
As long as there aren't any "flipper babies."

Anyone who gets that reference is my new best friend.
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Post by: oohhboy on November 25, 2013, 08:21:23 PM
The problem with Lead is not that kids are eating the stuff wholesale out of electronics, it is the end of life disposal problem. Unlike a lot of other toxins, it doesn't break down, so each kilogram of the stuff we dig up and free has to be handled effectively indefinitely. This is made worse by our terrible disposal of electronics which sometimes entail dumping it off in third world countries to be salvaged by the locals.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 25, 2013, 10:55:47 PM
You'd think that this kind of solder could be improved upon with time, like basically anything. Microsoft might have been putting it under too much stress, but it seems like the kind of thing that the tech just wasn't there yet for what they were trying to do.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 26, 2013, 07:48:42 AM
It's not really that, they use more or less the same design that high end GPUs have been using for years (decades?), it's just poor console design choices that made it happen. It's not that it was being put under too much stress, it's that the console wasn't properly designed to handle the normal every day stress (or late-term "push the console to the limits"-strees).

There are many factors that lead to it, lead-free solder certainly did not help, but it's essentially a requirement to sell their console in many countries. Not having proper standoffs like a PC (and the original Xbox), terrible cooling design (way too small of a heat sink for the GPU, which was basically a passive heat sink anyway how the fans are placed), having the GPU and CPU heatsinks mounted to the chassis. Bad choice after bad choice. This changed when they finally released the Jasper (45nm-based GPU) consoles in late 2008.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 01, 2013, 12:13:15 AM
I was thinking about this but I find microsoft's episodic method toward some of their games pretty interesting.

Quantum Break while not truly episodic will be similar to Alan Wake where each of the level's are aimed like a TV series with openings and endings. Sam Lake even teased that Quantum Break will be able to work with the One Guide's app channel to simulate weekly play sections. He also said that they might take a Destiny style route to DLC's and sequels with a every other year deal if they do a sequel.

-Quantum Break (Season 1 and Live action segment)
-Quantum Break season (think of it as a mini series)
-Quantum Break 2 (Season 2 and live action setting.

D4 from Swery will be fully episodic running for a undetrimed set of episodes.

Killer instinct is being delivered in Seasons with the Story mode coming next year along side Fulgore and Season II featuring eight new charcaters and new Modes and story stuff coming out next fall.

I'm not sure what Lift London is working on but form their website's art it looks like its going to be a point and click adventure game.

Last year/earlier this year Microsoft put out Adera for windows 8 is a point to click adventure game that ran for five episoides.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 02, 2013, 11:28:44 AM

So does Best Buy finally have playable Xbox One units on display?  Whenever I went there before launch, they just had a dummy console and a looping video.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 02, 2013, 08:54:54 PM
not sure.

Peggle 2 is a launching next Monday.
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Post by: pokepal148 on December 02, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
Can I just go to someones house and start swearing at the xbone so they get banned...

http://www.infowars.com/microsoft-denies-monitoring-skype-calls-after-banning-users-for-bad-language/ (http://www.infowars.com/microsoft-denies-monitoring-skype-calls-after-banning-users-for-bad-language/)
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Post by: Adrock on December 15, 2013, 08:31:30 PM
I got a chance to try the Xbox One controller at Toys R Us while I was driving around to various Nintendo Zone locations (Toys R Us isn't one but was on the way). I like it. It's comfortable and the D-pad is much improved though it's clicky which I wasn't fond of. Having the battery inside the controller as opposed to bulging out like the 360 controller is a welcome change. I don't mind that it accepts AA batteries, but if Microsoft insisted, it would have been nice if they dropped the price since they're selling rechargeable batteries separately.

Both PS4 and One controllers are major improvements over their predecessors though PS4 is a much greater improvement in my opinion. Compared to each other, I think I give the edge to the One controller. The left analog stick is where I prefer it and it has a much longer battery life even if it isn't lithium ion. I still prefer the Wii U Pro Controller over both.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 16, 2013, 10:58:43 PM
Xbox One is the new PS3?

Not sure how these links will work for you guys

PS3 = out of stock online (including all bundles) and at every store locally
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-ps4-500gb-console/8240103.p?id=1218866963585&skuId=8240103&cmp=RMX&ky=28oPyDFv0KHcisHwQcZfO0qg5PUU1VPjs (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-ps4-500gb-console/8240103.p?id=1218866963585&skuId=8240103&cmp=RMX&ky=28oPyDFv0KHcisHwQcZfO0qg5PUU1VPjs)

Xbox One = in stock online (system by itself and all bundles) and at every store within 100 miles
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemplatemapper.jsp?id=pcat17006&type=page&sourceId=1219013502542&sourceType=product&skuId=9008182&productId=1219013502542&itemId=2051276&pageMode=searchmode (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemplatemapper.jsp?id=pcat17006&type=page&sourceId=1219013502542&sourceType=product&skuId=9008182&productId=1219013502542&itemId=2051276&pageMode=searchmode)
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Post by: MagicCow64 on December 16, 2013, 11:21:27 PM
I've been on the road a lot the last few weeks in the Portland/Salem, OR corridor, and I've been keeping my eye out for a PS4 in hopes of scalping one for a few extra holiday bucks, but I haven't seen a trace. XBONE has been in stock 3/4s of the time, and in the last week I've seen in on shelves everywhere. It'll be interesting to see if this due to more efficient production by Microsoft or just underproduction by Sony. There are definitely plenty available, though, for all comers.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 16, 2013, 11:31:16 PM
I'm thinking MS might just be keeping better instocks. The sales were pretty comparable, no?
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Post by: Shaymin on December 16, 2013, 11:33:12 PM
Sony's trying to stock every major market that isn't Japan, while Microsoft's strategy is US, UK and the rest of y'all can suck it.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 17, 2013, 12:45:58 AM
Which might be a good strategy.

Saturate the market that has the most likelihood to buy one during the holiday season, and the market that most of the launch games are geared for.  Next year, they can release for Japan and other markets when a few more games that will interest those countries are out. 

I hope both systems do well...and really that is what we should all be hoping for. 
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Post by: oohhboy on December 17, 2013, 05:58:30 AM
Speak for yourself. MS never should have entered the market in the first place. Their exit would allow far more competent players to enter the market and allow existing players to reduce their risks as they no longer have to compete against an infinite, unproductive money pit.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 17, 2013, 02:41:19 PM
Speak for yourself. MS never should have entered the market in the first place. Their exit would allow far more competent players to enter the market and allow existing players to reduce their risks as they no longer have to compete against an infinite, unproductive money pit.


Why shouldn't they have came into the market. Becuase you have some weird hate hard on for the comapny. I loved my Xbox and my 360 and fun times were had.




No new players would come into the market becuase the industry on the hardware side this isn't the best industry. The closet thing your going to get to new players is next year when Apple, Amazon, and Google decide to enter the market with Oyua style set top boxes.
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Post by: oohhboy on December 18, 2013, 07:31:18 AM
It's simple really. MS never gave a crap about videogames. They had always seen it as a means to an end to get their box into your living room in order to monopolize that space. Their goals disgust me on a philosophical level. Evidence: Xbone.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 18, 2013, 10:11:13 AM
Who gives a ****. At a base level all every company cares about is profit anyway. A good game is a good game regardless. Obviously they had to give some crap to stay in for three generations now.


What do you think Sony's motivations were when they entered the gaming Market in the 90s. Plus corporations as enties can't give a crap anyway.


Your edvidence being Xbox One doesn't even make any fucking sense
 
Dead Rising 3
Ryse
Killer Instinct
Locoycle
Halo Spartan assault
Max and the Magic Marker
D4
Sunset overdrive
Kinect Sports Rivals
Below
Super Time Force
Fable Legends




That's a alot of games to not give a crap. But than again despite grabbing a PS4 first I much rather have the Xbox One minus DRM future. I think a gaming only device is a bit  dumb these days.

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Post by: Adrock on December 18, 2013, 10:52:51 AM
It may also be the way Microsoft has prioritized profits over releasing a satisfactory product. The marched out a console that was littered with design issues just to beat Sony to market. Microsoft cares enough not to release an already broken product but not enough to delay a product they know will eventually be broken. Sure, while they paid for it later, that was still a sheisty move. By the time 360 consoles started failing, people were too entrenched in the ecosystem to give it up.

Each company wants to make money. I prefer an approach that prioritizes customer satisfaction. Repeat customers are earned through quality and good will.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 18, 2013, 11:46:56 AM
Nintendo (and to some extent Sony's PlayStation division) prioritize consumer satisfaction over monopolizing a market. Sony and Nintendo are constantly pumping out new first party games to ensure their consoles have plenty of content to enjoy.
 
And to be honest, I'm so tired of people obsessing over sales figures and console wars. Shouldn't we all just be playing the games and consoles we like?
 
"Oh no! This Samsung dishwasher only sold 22,000 units compared to the 50,000 sold by Whirlpool! This Sony TV isn't the market leader, they should just give up! Ford only sold 122,000 Focus's, while Toyota sold 300,000 Camry's... Ford is doomed!"
 
See how ridiculous it all sounds?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 18, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
Because if you like 3rd party games and want them to be on your chosen console (without having to buy, say, a Wii U and a "real" console), then sales matter more than just about anything else.
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Post by: Ceric on December 18, 2013, 12:54:03 PM
Nintendo (and to some extent Sony's PlayStation division) prioritize consumer satisfaction over monopolizing a market. Sony and Nintendo are constantly pumping out new first party games to ensure their consoles have plenty of content to enjoy.
 
And to be honest, I'm so tired of people obsessing over sales figures and console wars. Shouldn't we all just be playing the games and consoles we like?
 
"Oh no! This Samsung dishwasher only sold 22,000 units compared to the 50,000 sold by Whirlpool! This Sony TV isn't the market leader, they should just give up! Ford only sold 122,000 Focus's, while Toyota sold 300,000 Camry's... Ford is doomed!"
 
See how ridiculous it all sounds?
That's how Fans are.  We need something to talk about.  We need a measuring stick.
This is an excellent article about other enthusiasts and how people must view them. (http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/i-used-to-take-it-as-a-given-that-an-interest-in-vehicl-1464717649/@travis)
If we were fans of a person it be where are they, could they out lift X, who makes the most money, etc.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 18, 2013, 12:54:47 PM
I guess you're right, but console wars are pointless in my opinion.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on December 18, 2013, 01:01:00 PM
Why can't all consoles be cross-compatible, like DVD players, PC's, and smartphones?
 
PC software can be used on any Windows PC, regardless of manufacturer or hardware components. Android apps can be used on any Android device, regardless of manufacturer or hardware components. Why can't game consoles be this way?
Because then they be PCs hooked to your TV and not as Plug and Play.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 18, 2013, 01:15:13 PM
I made a new thread to start that discussion. But I'll just say one thing here...
 
I'm talking about third-party console games being made to run on any platform, such as PS4 games running on Xbox One. Like how a Lenovo PC and an HP PC can both use the same Windows software and games. Or like how an HTC One and Samsung Galaxy can both run the same Android apps.
 
One copy of a third-party game can run on any console.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 18, 2013, 01:36:39 PM
Who gives a ****. At a base level all every company cares about is profit anyway. A good game is a good game regardless. Obviously they had to give some crap to stay in for three generations now.


What do you think Sony's motivations were when they entered the gaming Market in the 90s. Plus corporations as enties can't give a crap anyway.

The hardware market?
**** You Nintendo, now we are gonna take all your ****, and we're not gonna quit until you are dead...?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 20, 2013, 11:49:11 AM
Those Xbox One consoles are still in stock (even more stores now)...that $500 price tag must be a major barrier.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on December 20, 2013, 02:10:22 PM
Those Xbox One consoles are still in stock (even more stores now)...that $500 price tag must be a major barrier.
My Boss didn't get one because of a lack of Kid Friendly/watchable games.  PS4 at least has Knack.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 20, 2013, 06:17:19 PM
Those Xbox One consoles are still in stock (even more stores now)...that $500 price tag must be a major barrier.

Well I'm sure the word has gotten out by now that the PS4 has 95% of the same games and is $100 cheaper.  The number one reason the 360 beat the PS3 in North America was because it was cheaper then the PS3 for several years.  All those PS2 owners had no problem buying a 360 just because it was the cheaper system with the same games.

Well now that Sony is releasing the cheaper system with the same games, suddenly these gamers have no problem switching back to the PS4 for this gen.  As has been proven each gen, the general public shares no alliance to any company, they just want the games.  When Sony has most of the same games for a cheaper price, it's a no brainer what most people want to buy.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 20, 2013, 09:16:18 PM
As far as switching from Sony to MS or vice versa, with the new consoles not including backwards compatibility there's very little holding people back from changing their alliances.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: RedBlue on December 20, 2013, 09:55:01 PM
Those Xbox One consoles are still in stock (even more stores now)...that $500 price tag must be a major barrier.

Dude we get it, you like the PS4.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 20, 2013, 10:08:17 PM
Those Xbox One consoles are still in stock (even more stores now)...that $500 price tag must be a major barrier.

Dude we get it, you like the PS4.

And he was far and away a 360 guy over PS3. Brandogg's a lot of (terrible) things, but he's no Sony fanboy.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 20, 2013, 10:32:07 PM
Thanks?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 20, 2013, 10:34:38 PM
I never really considered it, but you're probably right about the lack of backward-compatibility being a big influence on people being so willing to switch brands. Makes sense, may have even subconsciously taken that into account, since I had a bunch of XBox 360 games but hardly any PS3 games. Being a 360 guy may have also been due to me getting one at launch and not getting a PS3 until late 2009 or 2010.


But to be honest I've hardly played my PS4 (mainly since the semester just ended). A big part of the reason I got it when I did was just because they were in stock and I knew I would get one soon but didn't want to have to keep checking stores all the time.


I'm actually a little shocked that the XBox One rush seems to have stopped (at least around here). This idiot that works next to my shop went out and bought 10 Xbox Ones hoping to flip them...good luck with that.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 20, 2013, 11:25:21 PM
As far as switching from Sony to MS or vice versa, with the new consoles not including backwards compatibility there's very little holding people back from changing their alliances.

Actually Xbox LIVE is a HUGE reason for lots of people to stick with the Xbox no matter what.
They are invested. They probably still have 6 months on the service left and all their friends are on it, which is why they each bought it, so they could play/chat w/  their friends.
Big reason why Sony started the PSNetwork and why Nintendo needs to get their **** together with the Club Nintendo/NNetwork.

Nintendo is soooooo damn lucky we are a bunch of ignorant die hard fans that seeming stick by their side regardless of not getting what we want.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 20, 2013, 11:42:25 PM
...but while we're at it...every GameStop (and holy fucking **** there are a lot of GameStops!) has within 80 miles (got tired of clicking the "8 more stores" button) has Xbox One in stock too (and online)

http://www.gamestop.com/Browse/StoreSearch.aspx?sku=020410&return=%2fdefault.aspx%3fnav%3d28-xu0%2c13ffff2412-1e0
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 21, 2013, 12:20:49 AM
So this girl I know who just split up with her husband was hoping to get an Xbox for her kid.

She didn't know if she should get the Xbox, 360 or the One. Yes the OG Xbox was in consideration because all she was interested in was that her kid was able to Xbox LIVE with her dad.

I took OG Xbox off the table immediately and suggested she would have to buy a brand new 360 and not a refurnished one because of old problems, but she should get a One if she wanted her son to be happy for years to come, instead of just happy now because by this time next year, new games may be a little hard to find, which would mean that they would have to spring for the One in a year or 2 anyway, so might at well invest in it now while she didn't have to put anything towards it (soon to be ex-hubby is buying)

So she talked to the hubby and they decided to get him 2 Xbox360's because 2 XboxOne's would cost too much.

WTF!!!?

I asked, "WHY THE **** does this kid need 2 Xbox360 consoles!?"
she said " I don't want to unhook it everytime he needs to move it and then connect it at my house too, so we just got him Xbox360's...."

I badgered her saying that was lazy and greedy on her part, because she wanted to keep one at her house and didn't want to be bothered to have to move it back and forth. Then explained how she wouldn't settle for some crap like that if it came to her, and it's not like she is paying for it, so you better future proof now. Then I suggested that they get an extra HDMI cable and power cord so that it's kinda plug and play and no fumbling with wires behind the TV...

long story short, they are taking back the 2 Xbox 360, with 4 games for each system (didn't ask if they were the same 4 games for each, but that would be even stupider and lazier than getting the kid 2 of the same system) and getting him a single XboxOne.

Oh, they were also contemplating a Wii U for their son... but honestly, I couldn't really recommend that over quality online (game) time with a family member, which the Wii U doesn't really provide.

So you are welcome MS, +1 to your next gen console count and -1 to your console availability.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 21, 2013, 09:03:50 AM
Honestly I would have gone with the two Xbox 360s. I can't imagine an Xbox One power supply (remember it has an external power supply) being easy to find any time soon and at a decent price. Sure support for the console will drop soon (probably not that soon, it took YEARS to kill the PS2's new game situation), but it's got a great library that can be acquired pretty cheaply.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Adrock on December 21, 2013, 09:58:21 AM
She didn't know if she should get the Xbox, 360 or the One. Yes the OG Xbox was in consideration because all she was interested in was that her kid was able to Xbox LIVE with her dad.
I thought Xbox Live was discontinued on the original Xbox. That should have been off the table for being impossible.
Quote
I badgered her saying that was lazy and greedy on her part, because she wanted to keep one at her house and didn't want to be bothered to have to move it back and forth.
Lazy, sure, but if the console wouldn't have been for her, wouldn't that make her generous, not greedy? Or perhaps a frivolous spender?

I presume the father doesn't have an Xbox 360 because if he did, there would be no reason for the kid to get two. If your friend just wanted her son to be able to play with his father online, there would have to be two consoles between the parents' homes. I can see why getting two Xbox 360s makes sense in that instance. They could each buy an Xbox 360 for their respective houses. That way the son could play online with his father when he's at his mother's then when he visits his father, there would already be an Xbox 360 at that house.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 21, 2013, 10:37:40 AM
Up until 3 weeks ago, I had two Xbox 360 consoles btw. I still have two PS3s.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 21, 2013, 04:38:04 PM
Her dad, the kids g-pa plays on LIVE. Her and the husband split, and now have 2 households. Husband wanted to get a XboxOne for his son, but she wanted him to pay for whatever he gets the kid to also be at her house so that she didn't have to cart the system back and forth.
Since 2 XboxOnes cost over $1k, he was going to just get 2 Xbox360's instead... w/ 4 games for each house.

So basically her laziness (not wanting to move it) & greed (also wanting one for her house and she wasn't even paying for it) was gonna get the kid the older system, which isn't a bad deal for a little kid, but if MS drops support for the 360 like they did the OGbox (which I don't think they'll do, but who knows), then by this time next year, new new games could be harder to find, and then they will end up springing for the Xbox One anyway, so I told her to get the new system since she isn't paying for it anyway. and new games will look good on the 60" big screens they both got for Black Friday.
Besides, who wants to go back to school next year and brag about getting a 360 finally when everyone else in your class is already talking about that new ****. If you're gonna spoil the kid, do it right.

The kid can thank me later, not that I really had any stake in what he got for Xmas, but he would be much more excited about having the launch console than the the one he's been playing at his grandpas for ever and a day now.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 08, 2014, 10:14:43 PM
Titanfall, Xbox One's killer app will have a massive online multiplayer mode consisting of up to...12 players
https://twitter.com/VinceZampella/status/420731507842351104 (https://twitter.com/VinceZampella/status/420731507842351104)

Battlefield 4 has 64 players on PS4 and Xbone, how does this max out at 12?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: ShyGuy on January 08, 2014, 11:58:08 PM
I can enjoy a tight multiplayer experience, but for as much as this Titanfall thing has been hyped as an epic experience, you would think they would have went larger.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on January 09, 2014, 10:57:48 AM
MWO is 12v12.  I haven't played it 12v12 because that patch came out after I stopped playing regularly but 8v8 had its moments especially with hit dedication.  I can see why they stop at that especially since its 12v12 with the potentially of having 24v24 things shooting at each other that everyone would need to know about and they talk about having NPCs as well.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: magicpixie on January 09, 2014, 08:09:45 PM
With all of EA's missteps over the last little while, I've heard a lot of resentment toward their future releases... except for Titanfall, which I find odd.  I understand that EA is just a publishing partner, but imo, if you are going to hold a grudge, you should at least do it right.

6v6 is all well and good, honestly.  You can have plenty of fun with that player count.  But for a full-priced, multiplayer-only title, I wonder how many people would have been expecting a bigger scale, or at least the option.  Though, with the issues that Battlefield 4 has had since launch, especially in larger player-count games(rubber-banding, hit detection, etc) perhaps limiting matches to 6v6 is a good thing.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 29, 2014, 03:30:08 PM
So, I just bought an Xbone. Brand new in box for $300, couldn't pass it up.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2014, 03:40:24 PM
I might have picked one up for that price too.
How did you come across that deal?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on January 29, 2014, 03:58:51 PM
With all of EA's missteps over the last little while, I've heard a lot of resentment toward their future releases... except for Titanfall, which I find odd.  I understand that EA is just a publishing partner, but imo, if you are going to hold a grudge, you should at least do it right.

6v6 is all well and good, honestly.  You can have plenty of fun with that player count.  But for a full-priced, multiplayer-only title, I wonder how many people would have been expecting a bigger scale, or at least the option.  Though, with the issues that Battlefield 4 has had since launch, especially in larger player-count games(rubber-banding, hit detection, etc) perhaps limiting matches to 6v6 is a good thing.


Haven't posted here in a while.


People who want a bigger player count just because its next gen are stupid.  Multiplayer only regardless Balance rules the roost. Its one of the reasons why Destiny is going to be standard Halo PC in the PVP mode, and why call of duty hasn't upped its player count. Plus other than battlefield all the other high player count games have failed massivly.


Plus Titanfall is a EA Partner's game so technically anyone could publish Titanfall 2: Titan Harder.


Surprised no talk of Microsoft buying gears of War.


 A bit bummed neither Microsoft or Sony has talked that much about their line up for this year. I thought we would have known more about Halo or the order by now.

Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 29, 2014, 04:06:34 PM
It was inevitable that Microsoft bought the Gears franchise, I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner.

I would probably never buy an Xbox console if they keep locking standard features behind an Xbox Live paywall (streaming services, game DVR, Internet Explorer, etc.). You don't see them doing this **** with Windows.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on January 29, 2014, 04:24:35 PM
Windows also doesn't have an equivalent of Xbox Live does it.  Also Windows is a dual facing product, whereas Xbox is just a consumer based rodcut and they've done it for so long the market doesn't care. 


Its crappy but most users don't even notice due to buying live in the first place to game online, and having to do the same thing on the PS4.


What are people going to do buy a Wii U?  :P:
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 29, 2014, 04:35:15 PM
I have a Wii U but I don't have Wifi yet at my new apartment. As long as I can use Hulu and Netflix I'm fine. I don't need hundreds of other streaming and entertainment apps that I will barely use.

Miiverse and off-TV play make the system entirely worth it for me.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on January 29, 2014, 04:47:02 PM
Honestly, I thought MS already owned Gear of Wars.

I would like the multi-player bigger because of the new gen.

Though I do find it dismaying that we are not hearing about more games.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on January 29, 2014, 05:41:56 PM
Nope, but they made a big deal of getting the lisence this week.

Eh expecting stuff to be bigger because of the new gen is good for single player but with multiplayer you have to take Into account balance and level design.



Some dude on GAF is dropping bombs


Apparently

2014
Sunset Overdrive
Quantum Break
Halo 2 Remake
A Halo Live Action film that isn't the TV Series

2015
Fable Legends
Halo 5


2016
Gears of War
Crackdown

I'd say take with a grain of salt but he passed thwbgaf iniader check.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: ShyGuy on January 29, 2014, 06:16:54 PM
Super Duper HD games take even longer to make. N64 release schedules for all!
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on January 29, 2014, 06:34:12 PM
I still don't know what Quantum Break is except My Secret is I ram Boats into Bridges with my Mind.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: ymeegod on January 29, 2014, 06:34:58 PM
No Mech Warrior no Crimson Skies. :(

*Grown man crying*
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: magicpixie on January 29, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
I think the Gears franchise is suffering from some serious fatigue.  They only apparently started working on it last week, so by the time it's released, it'll have a bit more buzz.

Windows also doesn't have an equivalent of Xbox Live does it.

Didn't MS try that **** on PC with Games for Windows Live?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on January 29, 2014, 09:35:01 PM
Windows also doesn't have an equivalent of Xbox Live does it.
Didn't MS try that **** on PC with Games for Windows Live?
Yeah they did. We collectively laughed a hearty laugh and told them to sod off. Every time in meat space someone brings up paying for Live I laugh at the waste of money. They still think they are paying for "Servers".
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 29, 2014, 10:20:11 PM
I might have picked one up for that price too.
How did you come across that deal?
I was approached. Didn't ask too many questions.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on January 30, 2014, 12:28:13 AM
More from the leaker

Quote
Forza Horizon: "Fall 2014, probably September. Super sexy weather system and... **** tons of co-op/social stuff. 1080P and open-world, so you can road trip with your bros." UPDATE: Weather system powered by "the cloud"
White Xbone incoming. UPDATE: In October with "fancy ass controller"
NEW: Limited 1 TB box in November
Why all the leaks? Scared you might get caught? "I am incapable of fear. Plus, this is such exciting stuff, and me talking about it ahead of time isn't going to hurt anything, truthfully. We're all chomping at the bit for it to come out. This is not bad. "
Halo Anniversary 2 will be 1080p, iffy on the 60fps, maybe not.
Quantum Break is Holiday 2014
Multiplayer confirmed for HA2, same devs as Halo Anniversary.
Sunset Overdrive is Fall 2014. UPDATE: October 2014
Is not Phil Spencer
Black Tusk cancelled project was called "Shangheist." May have involved stealing stuff from the Chinese (though I think that may have been a reference to the name and maybe not the gameplay? Not sure...)
Fable Legends is Summer 2015
Halo 2 Anniversary includes beta for Halo 5
Gears of War will probably need a 2.5 year dev time.
First Titanfall DLC is 45 days from release, then another one 120 days from release.
No Crackdown 3 news this year most likely, since it's a 2016 title.
A list w/dates of the rest of the Tier 2 and Tier 3 countries that Xbone will release in this year. UPDATE: Late April in Scandinavian countries
No info/idea on what Rare's up to, sadly.
$399 XB1 this year? "Maybe one without an Optical Disc Drive."
NEW: Games with Gold on Xbox One starting April. "Sooner rather than later"

Two versions of H2A.

Collectors Edition with the Beta access, the Halo series (not the Blomkamp one)

War Collection with the above, as well as ports of Halo 3 & 4 for XB1.

[ quote]

Dude than posted a picture of the titandall Xbox console.

Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 30, 2014, 03:26:41 AM
Where's all the new IP that Microsoft promised was in development? They're milking their franchises worse than Nintendo it seems. At least Sony creates new franchises each gen.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 30, 2014, 09:21:35 AM
I've got to admit that the whole TV integration thing is pretty awesome, and it works (nearly) perfectly - but, there is no HDMI passthrough (when the Xbone is off) so because of that, I will never use it.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on January 30, 2014, 10:34:46 AM
Where's all the new IP that Microsoft promised was in development? They're milking their franchises worse than Nintendo it seems. At least Sony creates new franchises each gen.

Haven't around 20 games with Mario have come out in the last year or so. No one milks worse than nintendo.

Ruse
Crimson Dragon
Lococycle
Quantum Break
Sunset Overdrive
Project Nangco from Platnuim Games that's rumored

Plus unannounced games

Seems to be the around the same number as Sony

Drive Club
Time
Helldiver's
The Order 1886

I'm probably missing one or two more on the Sony side of things.

What's most interesting is how Nintendo seems to get away with pretty much never putting out new IP that often. Still all three systems are looking good and the only way is to own all three and a PC.


@Brandogg

Can't you just put the xbone in low power mode and use it. I will say I think the xbpx One TV interface pretty much has solved the TV problem and it would be best to throw out a $100 box with just the TV stuff and light gaming .

Web OS TV looks awesome but no one is buyj g a whole TV for the GUI.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on January 30, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
There's a "TV problem"? What noise is this? TV is so 2000. I use the TV more as a second monitor than a TV and I use the computer as a TV more than a TV.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on January 30, 2014, 12:05:55 PM
There's a "TV problem"? What noise is this? TV is so 2000. I use the TV more as a second monitor than a TV and I use the computer as a TV more than a TV.

For about 75% of the population that's not true at all.

I guess it helps I don't own a desktop computer, and still think for both gaming and media consumption the PC is usually the worst IMO.

If say the way we view and think of TV is changing rapidly in both the content creation (Netflix, Microsoft, and Amazon becoming content providers) and the way we view and interact with it. aereo looks pretty cool and so does webos TV.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 30, 2014, 12:15:23 PM
No, in low power mode you can't use the HDMI passthrough. Pretty lame. It's a really sweet interface, and  the addition $30/yr to keep the Xbone on whenever I watch TV is no big deal, but I keep it in a cabinet with a door and don't want to have it open all the time.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 30, 2014, 12:17:44 PM
And I haven't figured out how to make it only use HD channels or go to, say, Showtime HD instead of Showtime...and changing the channel with the controller (like up or down) takes too long because of the channel being entered manually. I've only spent about 15 minutes with it though...and you need XBL Gold to use the built-in guide which probably makes it a lot better...haven't activated my 14 and (2) 30 day trials yet.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2014, 01:11:50 PM
Wait, so the XBO replaces your cable box too?

Considering cable boxes are rented for $6-$10 mo, that would make a Live subscription with the price of entry, especially if it also doubles as a DVR too.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on January 30, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
Nope, its' all done through the HDMI pass through. The channel guide doesn't actually "Know" what channel you are watching. You Calibrate it and the IR Blaster talks to the cable box. If it goes out of sync, the bone has no idea. As far as I am aware the bone doesn't do DVR as that will violate the HDMI chain. Also none of this works properly outside of the US.

But seriously what is this TV problem? You turn it on and watch it. Is this some sort of fucked up first world problem someone has invented to sell boxes?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: ShyGuy on January 30, 2014, 03:56:34 PM
My TV is SUCH a burden, won't SOMEONE solve this horrible weight upon my viewing shoulders?

Lately I have mostly been watching Youtube videos through my Wii U
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on January 30, 2014, 05:24:43 PM
Of course its a made up first world problem. Most innovations in consumer technology are just that.

I'd say most of the big markets that are being worked on such as wearables, TV, and home automation are the very definition of solving a problem no one really had.


Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on January 30, 2014, 05:46:54 PM
For the third bloody time. What is the TV problem?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on January 30, 2014, 05:55:09 PM
...
home automation are the very definition of solving a problem no one really had.
I don't know.  I would like to be able to unlock my Home with a Clicker and have the lights come on.  I often have my Hands full.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 30, 2014, 06:56:13 PM
...
home automation are the very definition of solving a problem no one really had.
I don't know.  I would like to be able to unlock my Home with a Clicker and have the lights come on.  I often have my Hands full.

Of course you too, but its not a real big problem that needs attention. I feel the same way about stuff like Google Now. Its cool but all they sis was perfect the pwronal planner onto a phone.
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Post by: Oblivion on January 30, 2014, 07:35:35 PM
Its cool but all they sis was perfect the pwronal planner onto a phone.


What?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2014, 08:55:29 PM
Its cool but all they sis was perfect the pwronal planner onto a phone.


What?

LOL. he's posting from a mobile device, give the man a break.
I feel his pain.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: ShyGuy on January 30, 2014, 10:32:42 PM
Let me ask on behalf of fellow poster OhhBoy:


WHAT. IS. THE. TV. P-R-O-B-L-E-M ?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: nickmitch on January 30, 2014, 11:09:35 PM
The TV problem is that Cable costs too much and is still required to justify having a big screen.  I want my live sports, and while there are other options that I can put on my TV, those options aren't ideal viewing experiences.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 31, 2014, 12:49:04 AM
So Cable is the TV problem?
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 31, 2014, 02:09:43 PM
So Cable is the TV problem?


To be frank yes. In both interface and content wise.


Cable comapnies have had since forever to make the software on their  boxes much better but have refused to put the money into it. Not that big of a deal but stuff like the one guide does a good job at replacing the cable box interface. I do like the idea of app channels as well integrating your VOD apps inside of your cable listing.


(http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2013/11/xbox-one-app-channel-100067943-orig.png)
(http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/xbox-one-the-guide-tv-channels.jpg)


Being able to add episodic games like the walking dead or The wolf among us would be even cooler as far as displaying content goes.


The second problem is that despite still holding massive ammounts of power the cable model has quickly become pretty antiquated with the introduction of VOD services like Netflix and Amazon Prime.  From a pure content standpoint I'd rather either do what I do now which is season pass the shows I really like or don't have a means to watch (No cable) or wait till it hits a streaming service such as Netflix.


Cable also isn't helped by the fact that many streaming services or storefronts are now becoming content providers and most are putting out Amazing to good content of all types.


off the top of my head


Netflix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_original_programs_distributed_by_Netflix






Amazon
Alpha House
Betas
Creative Galaxy
Annebotts
Tumble Leaf


Xbox
Halo
Untitled Documentary Series
The Street Soccer Series




Hulu
http://blog.hulu.com/2014/01/08/a-new-year-with-new-hulu-originals/




Being able to find high quality content other places will put a serious hurt on the cable companies espcially when people realize all these services are on their device of choce and even counting subscriptions are cheaper than paying cable.


The big holdouts seem to be HBO and the bigger sports networks like the NFL.




In more on topic news mutiple soruces are saying that Satya Nadella is the new CEO of microsoft.




http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/30/5362564/microsoft-new-ceo-reportedly-satya-nadella



Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on January 31, 2014, 02:36:09 PM
So Cable is the TV problem?
A uniquely "American problem". That "One Guide" is something special? I have had something like that for the last 4 years for free, while DVR two channels at a time with additional equipment costing less than 1/5 of the price of a bone. No wonder no one in their right mind would buy one outside of the US.

We do have "Paid" TV here, but I look at it and ask why? Hundreds of channels you couldn't possibly watch repeated endlessly ,filled with almost as much Ads as there is "content of negative value" which make you question humanities right to be on this planet. Seriously, I didn't know what the "TLC' channel was until I asked. Considering the content I saw on that channel, "The Learning Channel" is worse than an outright lie. If this is what TV is to you, cut the cable and don't look back.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 31, 2014, 04:14:07 PM
The Learning Channel was pretty dope in the 90s. Somewhere in the mid 2000s producers realized that it was more profitable too throw out mindless reality TV instead of unqie contwnt .
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 01, 2014, 01:42:14 PM
Probably gonna set up XBL Gold tonight, but I've got to admit, the Xbone interface, when you get used to it, is really pretty cool. I now have 2 HDMI cables behind my cable box so I can experiment and decide whether I want it hooked up the the Xbone input or not - but it works almost perfectly.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: magicpixie on February 01, 2014, 02:15:57 PM
One of the rumors that came out of the major leaks this week was that MS are working on a cheaper console with no disc drive.  At first, I thought it was strange that MS would be thinking about a hardware revision so early in to this generation, but it might make sense to at least start planning for a release and price drop in the holiday season.  What makes MS look bad is that the info was leaked so early.

A lot of the griping I'm seeing on the internet has to do with the fact that the hardware revision is a disc-less, 1 TB system instead of a Kinect-less SKU.  Personally, I thought a disc-less system is what they should have had ready for launch if they wanted to go with their original DRM schemes, though, I get why they didn't go that route.  1 TB is nice, and with the Xbone's automatic file-management(which I admit I have no first-hand account of) it is what the original system should have.  Dead Rising auto-downloading 13 GB patches, and taking up ~50 GB to begin with shows just how fast 500 GB can get eaten up.

If these rumors turn out to be true, what kind of price point are we talking?  Blu-ray drives aren't exactly expensive, and I'm sure the license fee per console doesn't amount to much.  Would MS be able to come in at a lower price point than the PS4?  And wouldn't Sony just be able to undercut them again(if they even need to at that point)?  I was on Best Buy's website trying to score a PS4(I got one in my cart, and by the time I got through the PayPal interface, they told me it was unavailable), and I didn't even bother checking out the Xbone stock.  Why would I buy an Xbone now with the potential of a cheaper SKU in the near future?  It'll be interesting to see if the rumor gains any traction, and to see if it has any impact on Xbone sales.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2014, 02:36:00 PM
Considering that MS is looking to seek damages from the leaker, I'm assuming it's all true.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 01, 2014, 02:54:40 PM
Here's a hint - the Xbone is in stock.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on February 01, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
The 1TB model is tempting but I don't have internet good enough to make it worth it. when you a 30GB. game getting a 13GB patch than I know this gen the only system I'm going digital with is the Wii U.
 
as far as stick deopends on the store I guess.I work at Meijer and the only systems we have currently in stock are the Mario and Zelda Wii U bundles. Other than that I'm of the mind that the leak is real just based on the info he gave us.

A few things I thought were suspect but just some of the stuff on his time table such as the first big Xbox One OS update coming in march to concide with build .

I do winder what else he knows since he said all he revealed wasn't the only stuff in store for this and the coming years. I winder who this will make Remind accelerate their annoucment plans for the coming year.

In news Spinal just launched for Killer Instinct and according to Phil Spencer D4 is getting delayed a bit.  There's also the announcement if NFL Now.


http://news.xbox.com/2014/01/xbox-microsoft-nfl-now (http://news.xbox.com/2014/01/xbox-microsoft-nfl-now)calling it now by the end of this year the NFL is announcing their going to go a la carte and offer a NBA game time style streaming service.
 
 
 
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on February 01, 2014, 03:46:13 PM
There has to be some good savings there... To NewEgg

Lets see... Cheapest 500gb drive is $54.99 and 1TB drive is $59.99 so $5 difference consumer pricing...
Alright what about Blu-Ray Drives...
$47.99

So we're looking at Max $53 because their is no way they are paying consumer prices.

For kicks and giggles lets just say that is the amount that brings us too... $446.99 still a $45.99 difference.

In the end MS is going to take a serious lost on trying to get any SKU down to PS4 levels.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on February 01, 2014, 05:17:55 PM
The Bone has cratered in Spain. the word has it MS spent 20 Million Euros on marketing there which works out to about €571 per console sold. The PS4 is out selling the Bone at 15 - 1. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=761021)
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2014, 05:23:27 PM
The Bone has cratered in Spain. the word has it MS spent 20 Million Euros on marketing there which works out to about €571 per console sold. The PS4 is out selling the Bone at 15 - 1. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=761021)

So they could have just bought 35k people a XBO in Spain. But how many have they sold?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 01, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Xbone controller is really, really good. Having said that, I have only used it for like 40 seconds playing Killer Instinct, which is terrible. The full game probably is a lot of fun, but I'm confused about how to buy it and I don't want to buy it anyway.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on February 01, 2014, 11:10:25 PM
Are you a big fighting game person. I liked the game from what I played of it. I'd wait till fukgore and the story mode comes out to get it though.

The game itself has a pay model similar to league of legends.
(http://i.imgur.com/WfnSapV.jpg)
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 01, 2014, 11:27:34 PM
8 characters just isn't enough. I know the original Mortal Kombat only had 7, but even the original KI had 11. Getting the arcade version is pretty sweet...but I can play that on my PC or Xbox anytime. Plus (I'm assuming) it doesn't have the promo for coming soon to Ultra 64 (or any Nintendo logos) so it's dead to me.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 02, 2014, 02:30:51 AM
Eight is good enough initially for the business model they're doing. This is a game heavily targeting the FGC, and has gotten pretty good reception form them.  For a game with a free to play model and takes inspiration from LOL eight fighters makes sense. It allows for better balance compared to say something like street fighter where despite having like 39 dudes usually 8-10 are realstclly used.

Season 2 which will add 8 more characters has been all but confrimed for coming this fall and going this route expands balance a lot. I've thought for a while now that the fighting game market as niche as it's become should have looked at the LOL model on how to sell their product espically games that barley have a story mode such as street fighter.

Thrvbeautybof the model is that realsriclly if you like fighting games but only really want to play with one guy, you could spend the $5 and be done.

Haven't played the old KI in a while hut it does not hold up looking at gameplay viseos. Music is pretty awesome though.

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 02, 2014, 12:05:21 PM
I kind of see your point, but I disagree with it entirely. Just make a demo where you can play as every character, not just one per month. Then, if you figure out which one you like, you can buy the whole game (or just certain characters). Right now you can only play as Orchid. I don't want to play as Orchid, but I don't know if I would want to play as Jago or Sabrewulf or someone else, so let me try all of them. If this is the future of gaming then count me out.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 02, 2014, 08:14:07 PM
I kinda think Killer Instinct looks like a cool game, but a hard sell. 

See, 8 characters does not feel large enough for a sequel, but it is actually more like a completely new game.  So right now, I think it is a great experiment and the demo-like nature of the game allows people to get a taste of the game.  However, I think allowing only a single player is foolish.  They should allow you to play as 2 characters.  Then at least you can have battles of 2 players playing against different characters.  Also, it means you can create unique demo experiences.  Jago vs. Orchid or Spinal vs Orchid.  Sure both demos include Orchid, but you will play differently against the other character so it will feel fresh for the verse battles. 

Personally, I think they should have waited before releasing this game.  Given a "demo" of this game for every early Xbox One adopter to play as 3-4 different characters, and waited to sell the whole game as a package when they had 10 characters available. 

I also really hate this idea of selling costumes for fighters in the game.  When did little bonuses like these become micro-purchases anyway?  It used to be included are rewards for playing the game well. 

I am not at all opposed to the selling of download content in a video game or fighting game.  I personally rather like the idea of instead of sequels, just adding new characters for purchase and tweaking the character balance and graphics sometimes...but the prices have to be worth it.  If purchasing 5 new characters plus their bonus content is the price of a new game it it too much.  If purchasing 5 characters is under $20.00 it is probably a fair deal. 

I wish Microsoft luck with the franchise, because I like that Killer Instinct's take of the fighting genre is quite different than other games out there. 
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2014, 10:28:21 PM
I don't know what this means for Killer Instinct (or Strider) but Amazon just bought Double Helix to make games for their Android based console.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/05/amazon-acquires-video-gaming-studio-double-helix-games/
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 06, 2014, 12:23:53 AM
What???  Really...I guess that is not good.  Maybe the characters are already programmed and ready to go?  Or maybe they have a contractual agreement with Microsoft to work on the game.  Anyway, this sucks, and I hope something gets resolved because I want Killer Instinct to do well. 

Maybe another character can pick up the game where they left off?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 06, 2014, 01:18:21 AM
Microsoft owns the IP now (the publisher almost always does), they can choose anyone to make another KI game. I didn't realize which companies Double Helix consisted of, but they have put out some flat-out classic games in the past.
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Post by: Br26 on February 06, 2014, 02:34:29 AM
Amazon acquiring game companies is very interesting. What it leads to though, I have no idea.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
Amazon acquiring game companies is very interesting. What it leads to though, I have no idea.

It leads to their own Android based console that will supposedly compete against the big three players. I have not looked into it really as I wasn't sure it was ever going to materialize as a consumer product worth owning (ouya, Nvidia shield, occulus?)
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on February 06, 2014, 12:15:56 PM
Amazon is really wanting to bolster all of their Internal projects and studios to cover all bases. They want to compete in l markets and attempt to dominate like they've done in the book market. Will be inttrsting to see if theyre console is a big box or something Oyua style.

Any who seems the plan is to let double Helix finish up season one and possibly season 2. Phil Spencer tweeted something to the effect that the core KI team at Microsoft will be taken care of. I'm guessing guys from DH will leave yo go to who ever is taking over KI.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2014, 01:23:24 PM
Amazon as a platform provider will be dangerous.

-Instant Prime account to access online, which means free 2 day shipping off all retail games (assuming it isn't 100% digital), access to Prime Instant at no extra charge, free ebooks, and everything else that comes with being a Prime member
-Kindle integration for whatever they want to use it for.
-Popular sales platform in Amazon.com with built in digital books, games, apps, music, tv shows & movie store
Which means sales and/or free books, apps, games, music, shows and movies. That's a HUGE day 1 library for browsing.
-cloud service already up and running
-massive servers capable of handling just about whatever needs they have for gaming
-infrastructure, customer service, name/brand recognition & deep pockets
-And soon, exclusive gaming content to go with their exclusive tv shows

That's allot of things going for it right out the gate.
Nintendo should be a little worried, setting as how Amazon already doesn't favor certain Nintendo hardware being sold on their site. MS & Sony should also be weary of what Amazon is doing.
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Post by: Ceric on February 06, 2014, 03:56:42 PM
If the Amazon Console is anything like how they setup Prime... I don't want to be any part of it.  The UI is Microtransaction riddled and bad.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2014, 04:09:51 PM
I agree, I have trouble trying to separate the Prime videos from the pay videos.
it's annoying at times.

The UI for Prime is a minor negative though.
That would hardly be the technical issue thing that kept if from succeeding.

For the right price and with enough 1st & 3rd party support, depending on the specs (closer to PS4 than Wii U), it could be a problem.

But this is a discussion for a whole different thread.
I might make one if I take the time to look up what's known about the "system" so far
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Post by: Oblivion on February 06, 2014, 06:20:08 PM
I agree, I have trouble trying to separate the Prime videos from the pay videos.


It's because you're blind, right?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2014, 08:14:27 PM
no because I go into search for shows and it shows me everything available, and I only want to see what is free and included with prime. not the cost to rent or own, especially when there is no "free w/ Prime" available.

Kinda like if you were searching for something to watch on Netflix right now and they showed you things that you had to get on a disc.

I admit that I haven't spent much time with it. But no, I'm not blind, just used to a superior streaming interface called Netflix.
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Post by: Oblivion on February 06, 2014, 09:20:24 PM
That's funny, because I'm looking at it right now and it definitely lets me see only what is free.


I use Netflix and Hulu too, but that doesn't mean you need to spread misinformation like that when you admitted yourself you haven't spent much time with it.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 06, 2014, 09:32:18 PM
Yeah, BnM's post that will be read by 10 people is going to cause the downfall of Amazon.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 06, 2014, 09:51:16 PM
Netflix has gotten better at showing what's free and what's not (especially now that more is free with Prime), but BnM is right: searching isn't super helpful with differentiating.  Especially when you can still rent movies you can watch for free.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2014, 10:49:01 PM
I don't use Prime often, but I go in, go over to kids and family and 80% of the selection has Prime in the corner, some titles are rent or buy only.
I type in what I'm looking for on the keyboard, and there is a mixture of prime/rent/buy.

I use netflix all the time, I goto for kids, and everything they show me is available for streaming now.
I goto search, I type in what I'm looking for and if it shows up, it's available for streaming now.

I know they have different setups (Netflix is only streaming & Amazon is stream/rent/buy), but I'm used to Netflix because that is what I've been using for years. I just logged onto Amazon Prime about 2-4 months ago and I've only been in it about maybe a dozen or so times for kids shows when Netflix wasn't working.

There may be a way to filter for prime only, but like I said, I don't use it often, so I haven't really tried to figure it out, because I haven't really had a reason to.
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Post by: lolmonade on February 06, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
That's funny, because I'm looking at it right now and it definitely lets me see only what is free.


I use Netflix and Hulu too, but that doesn't mean you need to spread misinformation like that when you admitted yourself you haven't spent much time with it.


Gotta be honest, I encountered the same problem as BlackNMild.  On the PS3 app, it was a hot mess the last time I tried (roughly 5 months ago), being completely unclear what was free as part of the subscription, and what required you to pay for episodes.  Maybe they've improved it since then, but navigating & using prime was agonizing compared to Netflix back then.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: tendoboy1984 on February 07, 2014, 10:55:29 AM
Technically Killer Instinct is Rare's IP, so why doesn't Microsoft just let Rare take over its development? They have plenty of options, they don't really need Double Helix.
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Post by: Ceric on February 07, 2014, 11:02:43 AM
It still is.  I used it just the other day.  I have yet to find a way to say that I only want shown what  I get from Prime so my Son can use it.  Even then if its on Prime you could still end up paying for it by accidentally clicking rent or buy which I've done.

Its a consumer unfriendly Mess especially when you've got Netflix and a lesser extent Hulu to mimick.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 07, 2014, 11:27:44 AM
Killer Instinct is Microsoft's IP, just like Guitar Hero and Call of Duty are Activision's.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: magicpixie on February 11, 2014, 10:30:32 PM
Didn't want to make a new thread for this, but it's sorta pertinent, so...

Titanfall beta is announced for this weekend running from the 14th for 4 days.  You can sign up at the Titanfall website for either the Xbox One or the PC version.  Unfortunately, they seem to be getting hammered at the moment, so you may be trying for a while.  I couldn't login to Origin for a while, perhaps that was just a coincidence.  Got signed up for the PC beta after a few attempts, wasn't too painful.  I'm actually looking forward to playing this, even though I still really suck at competitive multiplayer.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on February 12, 2014, 09:54:24 AM
I be interested to hear how it compares to MWO.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: azeke on February 14, 2014, 03:00:38 PM
Watched Giant Bomb coverage of Titanfall beta yesterday and today.

Okay, now i see it. Really cool game. Not something i'd play myself but some really nice and polished stuff in there.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: magicpixie on February 14, 2014, 03:20:05 PM
They sent me an Xbone beta key which I cant use since I dont have an Xbone yet.  I'm assuming it was a mix up, since I'm pretty sure I signed up for the PC beta.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on February 15, 2014, 06:14:21 AM
Itsvintresting hearing that Pokemon is holding up to the hype.



There's a bit of a rumor going around that Amazon is trying to buy xbox. Not sure how much I buy i buy it, with Nadella and Gates at the helm and wanting to be a services and devices comopany.  Plus there's the Xbox media branch and Microsoft is working on a Xbox magazine app for windows 8.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: ShyGuy on February 25, 2014, 12:23:03 AM
New head of Xbox, Stephen Elop

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/25/nokia-executive-to-take-over-microsofts-xbox-division (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/25/nokia-executive-to-take-over-microsofts-xbox-division)

Reportedly he is willing to shut down Bing and sell off the Xbox division.

Chromebox One? Amazon Prime Box? Sega DreamBox Cast? PlayBox Station Forty One or Nbox U
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 25, 2014, 12:41:14 AM
Well he has no say in the matter since he's not CEO. The thing I would be worried about is him giving better treatment to the mobile division over windows and Xbox.

Also bloombetg was the only one to report that comment. It wasn't corrbatted at all by more trust worthy Microsoft insidrtd such ad Tom Warren, Mary Jo, and Paul Thurott.

Feel bad for Juile Larson green so ce she's getting a big ass demotion.

If anything were going to see Elop oushbhis divisions to work seamlessly. Hell when dude was running Nokia it was already preyyu deep and seamless with working with Microsoft services.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: nickmitch on February 25, 2014, 06:38:02 PM
Sony buying the Xbox division is an interesting idea.  It could be either the only way to force Nintendo to handheld only or open up the door for someone else. . .

I don't think Sony would ever do it though, unless Nintendo slept with Sony's wife. . .again.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2014, 07:03:59 PM
Could Sony really afford the investment though?
They really don't need anything that MS has to offer from the Xbox division that they don't already have on their own. A lot of it would be redundant, and it would also open up Nintendo as the only other alternative.... unless Sony ran it as the Pepsi to their Coke, competing against themselves, laughing all the way to the bank. (not sure if that's legal :/)

If anything, I could see Google jumping in to buy the Xbox Division, keeping the network backbone and then completely gutting everything else to turn it into something Android Approved, Play Store, Google Services and all. Fusing the Xbox with GoogleTV, bringing everything Google is working on into one box that sits in your livingroom connected to your TV & interacts with your tablet and your phone. That would kinda make sense, except I doubt Google has any interest in 1st party game development, so all those studios would probably be cut loose or sold off.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: nickmitch on February 25, 2014, 07:31:29 PM
Sony probably couldn't do it.  They're not the most profitable as it is, so paying for a business that's losing money wouldn't make the most sense.  Unless, Sony thinks they could recoup a lot of the losses by essentially having a monopoly on "next-gen" hardware, upping licensing fees on 3rd parties, letting the hardware price sit a little high.

Essentially, the only thing to make it worthwhile would be to exert such monopolistic behaviors.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on February 25, 2014, 11:33:59 PM
Who in their right mind would want the Xbox brand? It's damaged goods right now. You don't interupt your enemy while they are making a mistake. If they want the Xbox gone, they don't need to do anything.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: nickmitch on February 25, 2014, 11:51:53 PM
Well, the timing is fairly delicate on that one, IFF MS really wants to sell.  You'd want to buy it before the price got low enough for someone else.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on February 26, 2014, 12:08:07 AM
The question is WHY? MS isn't most certainly not going to sell any of the relate patents. What is there that has been done better else where more effectively. What is there to save?

Unfucking Xbox would be far more trouble than building your own box. The imbeciles over at OUYA somehow stumbled through against all odds.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on February 26, 2014, 03:56:18 PM
What's there to save is a still vauble brand that has viable IP and good studios.

Don't let you irrational hate for Microsoft cloud your judgment dude

Either way Sony isn't in any finical position to buy ****.

Will be funny five years from bow when Sony is gone, Microsoft gets rid of the Xbox business, and Nintendo is circling The handheld only Nintendo ciricling the drain.

I welcome our new Candy Crush mobile overlords.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: nickmitch on February 26, 2014, 07:49:34 PM
The studios, the exclusives, the Xbox Live infrastructure would all make the deal worth it.  Although, I think MS would need to include all related patents: it kinda makes the deal.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on February 26, 2014, 11:52:08 PM
Don't let your hardon for Microsoft cloud your judgement dude.

The studios are worthless since you can't buy the talent inside as shown time and again ie. Rare. Then there is the issue of how much MS has driven the studio into the ground. IP wise, there is only Halo. Everything else is either not Xbox related or has been left fallow.

The Brand itself is a wreak. The technology is obsolete and backwards. Live is a ad ridden hellhole of missing features. Why buy damaged goods when building from new is cheaper and easier.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on February 27, 2014, 12:24:04 AM
How has Rare been gdriven into ground when they've made nothing bit good games barring PDZ.

Xbox One doesn't have any ads dude. All three consoles are missing features dude. If anything xbox has shown their quick yo iterate on new features.

You say everything else but your yelling me all of Microsoft's studios and IP are worthless?   Seems a bit extreme on your part friend.

Technogy isn't obsolete either dude.

I'm not letting my preference for the Microsoft get in the way. The brand still has a ton of cahr with the average users. Don't think the Xbox One will do better than the PS4 which is a shame, but the brand will still do great.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: pokepal148 on February 27, 2014, 12:37:54 AM
Don't let your hardon for Microsoft cloud your judgement dude.

The studios are worthless since you can't buy the talent inside as shown time and again ie. Rare. Then there is the issue of how much MS has driven the studio into the ground. IP wise, there is only Halo. Everything else is either not Xbox related or has been left fallow.

The Brand itself is a wreak. The technology is obsolete and backwards. Live is a ad ridden hellhole of missing features. Why buy damaged goods when building from new is cheaper and easier.
There are still the rare IPs, the studios can still turn up some decent content and live servers could easily be converted to your own online system.

Microsoft's my least favorite of the three and I still see the value in a purchase.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: nickmitch on February 27, 2014, 06:36:15 PM
Don't let your hardon for Microsoft cloud your judgement dude.

The studios are worthless since you can't buy the talent inside as shown time and again ie. Rare. Then there is the issue of how much MS has driven the studio into the ground. IP wise, there is only Halo. Everything else is either not Xbox related or has been left fallow.

The Brand itself is a wreak. The technology is obsolete and backwards. Live is a ad ridden hellhole of missing features. Why buy damaged goods when building from new is cheaper and easier.

Just because talent retention isn't 100%, doesn't mean it's 0%; and any IP can be revived in the right hands.

Your last paragraph is all hyperbole.  I think you're letting your disdain for MS cloud your judgement.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: pokepal148 on March 11, 2014, 07:11:07 PM
So for $500 you get 72 extra pixels in titanfall.

Microsoft's next gen console ladies and gentlemen :D.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2014, 12:23:34 PM
So for $500 you get 72 extra pixels in titanfall.

Microsoft's next gen console ladies and gentlemen :D.

Is this comment in responds to something not posted?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on March 12, 2014, 04:33:53 PM
So for $500 you get 72 extra pixels in titanfall.

Microsoft's next gen console ladies and gentlemen :D .

Is this comment in responds to something not posted?
"792P"
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 12, 2014, 04:43:40 PM
I like how websites make up stuff like "792p" just say 1408x792.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 13, 2014, 03:10:36 PM
I just bought an Xbox One, and so far I'm very underwhelmed. The interface is a hassle to navigate, with everything hidden away inside apps. The Xbox Store is a mess, with no way to sort products by price, publisher, release date, etc. You can't rate or comment on gameplay clips made with the Upload Studio. And I hate how you can't swap out the hard drive like you can on the PS4.

PS4's interface is much cleaner and better organized. All the important settings are at the top of the screen. The social features are implemented better, with Facebook, Twitch, and Ustream built into the system OS. The Share button makes uploading and broadcasting gameplay clips incredibly easy, and I'm surprised that the Xbox One doesn't have one.

And what's with all this talk of Microsoft giving up on the Xbox brand? It's their most popular product next to Windows. Xbox has proven to be successful, if Microsoft dumps it then I'll definitely switch to PS4.

Speaking of Windows, it's had many failures, but MS never gave up on it. The failure of Windows 2000 led to XP, Vista led to Windows 7, etc.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on March 13, 2014, 03:14:49 PM
Don't you let people hear you say that 2000 was a failure.  I know people who knife you over that.  I'm not one of them but still.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 13, 2014, 03:20:43 PM
I might return my Xbox One to Best Buy and just order a PS4 from Amazon.

Since I already redeemed the Titanfall code and downloaded the game, will Best Buy even take the console back?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 13, 2014, 04:45:28 PM
You can swap out the HDD. It's not as easy, but you can do it.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 13, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
Ok now that I got the negatives out of the way I'll talk about what I love about the Xbox One...

- The "Snap" feature is amazing. If I want to record or broadcast a game that I'm playing, I simply snap Game DVR or Twitch next to the game and it works beautifully.
- Kinect's voice commands make it much easier to navigate the clunky OS.
- Support for external hard drives is a welcome bonus for people who already filled up their 500 GB internal drive.
- Uploading gameplay videos to OneDrive (SkyDrive) is awesome. I can then simply download them to my PC and put them on YouTube later.

Sony really needs to have their own cloud storage service for downloading PS4 game videos to the PC. Or they could just integrate Dropbox into the PS4's OS.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Kytim89 on April 01, 2014, 05:49:56 PM
Does anyone think that Microsoft will eventually get into a streaming service for Xbox similar to what Sony is doing with Playstation Now? Sort of like their version of the Ps Vita TV with a tiny streaming box to play Xbox Live and 360 games.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: MagicCow64 on April 01, 2014, 06:53:16 PM
Does anyone think that Microsoft will eventually get into a streaming service for Xbox similar to what Sony is doing with Playstation Now? Sort of like their version of the Ps Vita TV with a tiny streaming box to play Xbox Live and 360 games.

If it becomes a feature-parity issue they'll probably get on it, but then again Microsoft seems more interested in building a general media ecosytem than catering to the core enthusiast crowd. I'm also not sure there's going to be huge demand for streaming stale Xbox IPs when there will be plenty of stuff to take their place in various categories, including straight remakes of Halo and whatnot. Also the dangling question of whether or not they'll even stay in the video game sector long term.

I also recall reading something about Microsoft testing a streaming system and saying they couldn't get it up to consumer-grade marketability, and that they thought Sony was bluffing.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Kytim89 on April 01, 2014, 07:30:45 PM
Does anyone think that Microsoft will eventually get into a streaming service for Xbox similar to what Sony is doing with Playstation Now? Sort of like their version of the Ps Vita TV with a tiny streaming box to play Xbox Live and 360 games.

If it becomes a feature-parity issue they'll probably get on it, but then again Microsoft seems more interested in building a general media ecosytem than catering to the core enthusiast crowd. I'm also not sure there's going to be huge demand for streaming stale Xbox IPs when there will be plenty of stuff to take their place in various categories, including straight remakes of Halo and whatnot. Also the dangling question of whether or not they'll even stay in the video game sector long term.

I also recall reading something about Microsoft testing a streaming system and saying they couldn't get it up to consumer-grade marketability, and that they thought Sony was bluffing.

Supposedly Microsoft is working on cloud streaming for their other devices. It could be cheaper for them to offer a PS Vita TV style streaming box to compete with Sony. It could another selling point to the X1 as well.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 02, 2014, 09:14:14 AM
I don't think Microsoft's worried about competing with the Vita TV. Sony's shown no interest in releasing it outside of Japan, and Xbox One has no chance of gaining any kind of foothold there even if it were made out of solid gold and given away for free.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on April 02, 2014, 11:42:58 AM
If Vita TV was the Media Box the PS3 is without Blu-Ray.  It could be an interesting fit here in the States but first they need to get the PS4 out of its terrible state when compared to the PS3 as a media device.  It literally does nothing better as a Media Device.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on April 02, 2014, 05:28:59 PM
Sony can launch a streaming games service because Sony has games, not just their own but classic 3rd party games people will pay for. Xbox doesn't have that most of their games that people are interested in are already on PC or were also on Playstation anyways so most of the games they would or could have are a up for grabs on competing services. Xbox works as a brand because the hardware is appealing, the software is not so much. They have their own exclusives but really only since 360 took off Xbox didn't have many exclusives people would call classic. Nintendo, Sony, and maybe Sega if they got off their ass, could launch a virtual service where they can rely on their past software to keep people interested, Microsoft does not have the games those other three do. I would almost say Atari could have a better streaming service than Microsoft but that is stretching it. As for media stuff, I think that market is so crowded it's almost like nobody even buys media players anymore they just buy whatever device and it just plays their media. I think the only ones who are bitching about the PS4 supposed lack of features are pirates that Sony would be good to just ignore anyways. If your video isn't a standard file then it's probably not from a legit source anyways.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 13, 2014, 01:00:57 PM
Microsoft announces Kinect-free Xbox One SKU for $399. Still less powerful and likely a weaker library of exclusives than PS4.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Adrock on May 13, 2014, 02:04:16 PM
I don't know if Microsoft should have gone for price and feature parity. I feel like they should have either kept Kinect and eaten the $100 price cut or if they insisted on a Kinect-free SKU, they should have undercut PS4. Come June 9, PS4 is still a better deal.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: MagicCow64 on May 13, 2014, 02:13:59 PM
Huh, I figured it would take at least a year for this. It's hard to argue that it won't help sales, but at the same time I'd be pretty unnerved as an Xbone owner that the system could radically change at any time given the whims of Microsoft's corporate priorities. Also, aren't people selling Kinect's off for like $150? Seems like that Kinect-less price should be lower, unless they're just trying to recoup essentially burned R&D costs.


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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 13, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
Stupid idea. Way too early for that, now they will only hurt Kinect development.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2014, 02:20:33 PM
Was Kinect being utilized for anything functional/useful/fun other than menu's and voice commands anyway?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ian Sane on May 13, 2014, 02:23:37 PM
Smart move by MS.  Kinect is a dumb gimmick that rode the motion control fad and the Xbox target audience does not give a **** about it.  The PS4 might still be a better deal in terms of specs but I don't know how much of an issue that is.  It isn't like the XB1 is a gen behind like the Wii U.  The real problem was that the XB1 came with a mandatory $100 Kinect purchase which is now gone.

This puts Nintendo in an interesting position.  Pressure to ditch the Gamepad will now only increase.  Though it would be much harder to remove the Gamepad from the Wii U than it is to remove Kinect and without it the Wii U is just some outdated PS3 clone.  I think MS made the right move but I don't think the same strategy makes sense for Nintendo.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Adrock on May 13, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
This puts absolutely no pressure on Nintendo to ditch the GamePad.

I think it'd be pretty funny if Sony dropped the price of PS4 on June 9, even if it was just $20.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 13, 2014, 02:45:46 PM
This puts Nintendo in an interesting position.  Pressure to ditch the Gamepad will now only increase.  Though it would be much harder to remove the Gamepad from the Wii U than it is to remove Kinect and without it the Wii U is just some outdated PS3 clone.  I think MS made the right move but I don't think the same strategy makes sense for Nintendo.

Microsofts problem was Kinect made the system $100 more expensive, despite the fact it was less powerful.  The Wii U is less powerful but still $100 cheaper then the PS4 and comes with a game as well.  Yeah, dropping the Gamepad would make the system cheaper, but being cheaper then the PS4 isn't exactly what's causing the Wii U's problems when it's already cheaper.

Plus Iwata has already said they'll be showing off several games that make important use of the Gamepad at E3 so Nintendo is actually hoping to make the Gamepad a big deal in the future.  So unlike Microsoft, Nintendo still feels the Gamepad could be a benefit for the system in the future.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: azeke on May 13, 2014, 03:48:16 PM
Still less powerful and likely a weaker library of exclusives than PS4.
I look at the list of exclusives (both released and upcoming) for both systems and can barely find maybe one and a half of games that gets me interested.

Both games are XBone exclusives: Dead Rising and Sunset Overdrive.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 13, 2014, 04:08:26 PM
Your mileage may vary on that one, but I was going more off what we saw on PS3 and 360 than anything released or announced. Sony's studios beat the hell out of Microsoft's as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on May 13, 2014, 04:32:33 PM
In terms of first party games like what Nintendo does, Sony has MS beat and then some. Nintendo exclusives pulp MS by the same measure.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 13, 2014, 05:37:52 PM
I'm not gonna complain though, I paid $300 for mine brand new. Didn't complain about the 3DS price drop either...launch for $125 brand new.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: MagicCow64 on May 13, 2014, 06:49:49 PM
Doubt this pressures Nintendo to drop the Gamepad, as it is actually more integrated into the basic platform in a way that Kinect isn't, despite all the Microsoft PR prior to today. I do think it makes the price stand out a bit more. The $300-$400-$500 spread helped make the WiiU look like a reasonable price/feature trade-off, but methinks $250 would be a bit shinier going forward. Won't happen this year, though.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 14, 2014, 12:04:54 AM
Didn't see this mentioned, but now starting in June you don't need XBox Live Gold to use apps like Netflix, HBO Go, Internet Explorer, etc, so that's actually pretty great, though well overdue.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2014, 12:16:48 AM
Long overdue.

Hiding independent apps behind a pay wall like that was criminal.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 14, 2014, 02:06:48 AM
If Microsoft can launch this package with a great exclusive game then I think the Xbox One can make a comeback and sell well. 
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on May 14, 2014, 03:36:43 AM
MS doesn't have a great exclusive game to bundle with it nor does it have one in the future that will be ready in time. MS has been giving away Forza and Titianfall with unofficial price drops to absolutely no effect. It's really embrassing when 6 Months down the line after the marketing equvalent of the second coming of gaming, you still have Day one editions and you have resorted to "Shipped" numbers to hide behind, while "Combining" Software sale over PC, 360 and the Xbone to inflate them.

There is no good reason for MS to make a comeback. Sony is Faster, Cheaper, Higher Qualitity console on the fundamental level and nothing will change this short of MS launching new hardware. That is assuming MS can magic up a truckload of games people actually want.

This fight was over last E3 before it started. Xbone is the Saturn, but unlike the Saturn, it will not be mourned.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 14, 2014, 03:38:29 AM
With the degree to which they moneyhatted the **** out of the 360, it's way too early to count Microsoft out.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: oohhboy on May 14, 2014, 04:21:18 AM
From what I hear the money hose has been turned off and after Titianfall, I don't think there is a moneyhat big enough that won't just result in the developer/publisher scamming MS.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 14, 2014, 04:27:46 AM
I suppose with the talk lately that Microsoft is considering selling off the Xbox division altogether they might not be that interested in pouring a ton of money into it beforehand.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2014, 08:05:01 AM
Who it's the likely front runner in buying the Xbox division though? MS had made Xbox the brand of their gaming on PC too.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Shaymin on May 14, 2014, 08:22:53 AM
Amazon.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Oblivion on May 14, 2014, 10:16:45 AM
Have you seen what Amazon has done to the other stuff they buy? I wouldn't trust them to do the Xbox justice.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Adrock on May 14, 2014, 10:26:15 AM
The question wasn't whether Amazon would do Xbox justice; it was who would be the frontrunner to buy Xbox from Microsoft, and yeah, Amazon is a pretty good suggestion.

To address that, I'm not sure there is a company that can do that division justice and run Xbox the way Microsoft did. To get where they are, Microsoft was extremely bullish and driven. Who else is willing to have that same at-all-costs mentality? Part of the reason we're even still entertaining this rumor of Microsoft selling the Xbox division is because it doesn't seem like Microsoft even has that mentality any more either. Sure, Titanfall was a major investment, but there haven't been any other major splashes like that.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Oblivion on May 14, 2014, 11:17:40 AM
I know that's what the question was. I was saying that it would be awful if they did.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2014, 01:18:25 PM
Gold included with your Prime subscription... built in streaming service. Built in store, with free 2-day shipping, everything from A-->Z, play now with download while you wait for physical copy. Video User reviews for games and all products using Kinect.

I could see Amazon making this work out quite well. It could at least be different enough in it's extras that it would be interesting to see how that would play out.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on May 14, 2014, 07:39:12 PM
If they had the motivation Sega could pull it off but they lack the funds more than anything. Sega fans have been begging for them to make a new console, they keep releasing those retro consoles to stay sort of in the hardware business, and they have a software library that if given a dedicated console to get behind could make a major splash while taking away something big from Nintendo at the same time. NOT saying that it will happen but if anyone could pull it off it would be Sega but chances are they would just end up going under anyways.


Amazon can't pull it off because they already are trying to get into gaming and it would be suicide to kill off one major product to take on another.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 14, 2014, 08:21:59 PM
What major product does Amazon really have?  That box that they call a streaming game player is kinda going to go no where.

But BlackandMild is correct.  Amazon actually can push the Xbox harder than Microsoft could if they wanted.  They can afford to invest so alot of money in the project because they know their profits come from other places too.  I think of all the companies that could do it Amazon is probably the only one that could achieve any level of success with it.

Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 14, 2014, 09:01:30 PM
Have you ever heard of this mildly popular device called the "Kindle" or "Kindle Fire?"
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on May 15, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
I disagree because Amazon can't seem to compete with Netflix on the video front, Android or iPad on the tablet front, and their streaming media box looks to be another Roku clone. I think hardware wise Amazon is a total ditz, Sega has the software Amazon doesn't know much about software either. I think Amazon has the money to run it the way MS does but that isn't going to work anymore.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2014, 10:42:58 PM
Amazon has the resources to make themselves a viable 3rd and unique option.
If they run the console the way they run their business, then all they do is reinvest. And depending on what their ultimate goal is, (which I believe is not to generate a huge war chest since I don't believe Amazon reports in profits they sit on, but profits they throw right back into the business.) I'm sure they will eventually build an ecosystem of service & product for exchange that will shame even Apple and iTunes.

What other products does Amazon currently invest in that would merge with their Console/Tablet/TV connected take over? They never want you to leave your couch/house again. They will literally bring you everything you need through the use of a few devices. Console connected to the TV, Tablet in your hands, phone in your pocket. Games, food, toilet paper, clothes, more games, TV, Movies, more toilet paper...

Amazon is a major distributor of physical goods, and give incentive to 3rd parties through sales and promotion on Amazon.com in exchange for timed/exclusives and extra goodies/exclusive DLC. They could pull lots of leverage with 3rd parties WW as Amazon is pretty popular everywhere (except Japan, and that's only because of their strict nationalisms, but even there they still do alright.) and if they can double down on distribution through digital efforts... oh man. They already have all the infrastructure in place.

Amazon would be a very interesting choice for a major 3rd competitor in place of MS.

Sega would never be in such a position of opportunity again in such a short time. Their 3rd party output isn't even good enough to sell other peoples hardware, so I doubt they would be able to sell their own. Their best bet is to sell themselves to Nintendo and ride that wave till it crashes into the rocks, because that will be as close to the glory days as they get in a long long time.
No offense to Sega, but they just don't have it anymore... but together with Nintendo they could both become something more. something better.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on May 16, 2014, 12:42:54 PM
(http://www.halopedia.org/images/5/51/Halo5_Primary-TeaserArt_Vertical_RGB_Final.jpg)


Welp I just bought an Xbox One sometime after the price drop.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on May 16, 2014, 12:49:48 PM
Is that suppose to be Manmus and Dark Manmus?
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: shingi_70 on May 16, 2014, 01:45:53 PM
Is that suppose to be Manmus and Dark Manmus?


heh took a minute to get that one.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2014, 02:27:29 PM
COLLABO!!?

MS studios going Retro?
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Post by: Ceric on May 16, 2014, 02:30:14 PM
The last one looked like Prime from what I saw, I don't have a system to play it, and I just find it funny if it took the same next step as Prime.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 16, 2014, 02:58:30 PM
The guys who made 4, and I'm assuming 5, include a lot of former Retro employees. The games resemble Metroid Prime because they're made by a lot of the same people.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2014, 02:59:30 PM
Well if Nintendo can't win me over with the same tired bullshit, MS certainly ain't going to.  Not that I expect the rest of the world to share my opinion though.  Halo is less old than almost all of Nintendo's franchises and that probably gives it a bit more legs for now.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 16, 2014, 10:15:16 PM
So since Halo 5 is 2015... how about 4 Halo games in 2014? (http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/16/halo-the-master-chief-collection/)

I for one welcome our Halo All-Stars overlords.

(pause)

Not.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 17, 2014, 02:53:09 AM
Microsoft's now claiming they never forced Rare to make Kinect games. They were perfectly free to work on other kinds of things if they didn't really care about seeing their families again.
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Post by: oohhboy on May 17, 2014, 03:59:12 AM
You're killing me here.

I have no idea why anybody would want to buy or save Xbox in any form and don't tell me because we "need" the competition.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2014, 09:29:25 AM
Microsoft is going to refund (pro-rated) Xbox Live gold to people who bought it for streaming, etc., as well.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2014, 11:41:00 AM
You're killing me here.

I have no idea why anybody would want to buy or save Xbox in any form and don't tell me because we "need" the competition.


But we need the comp.... uh. nevermind.

Microsoft's now claiming they never forced Rare to make Kinect games. They were perfectly free to work on other kinds of things if they didn't really care about seeing their families again.

It's our families they should have been concerned about. It's a sacrifice they should have been willing to make.

Microsoft is going to refund (pro-rated) Xbox Live gold to people who bought it for streaming, etc., as well.

For realz? better late than never.
Do they go all the way back to Xbox/360 for that refund?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2014, 12:35:17 PM
No, just for Xbone.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 17, 2014, 02:27:19 PM
No, just for Xbone.

That's kinda bizarre. How can you prove you bought Gold primarily for the app access? If you spent less than 30% of your online time watching movies instead of playing multiplayer?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2014, 04:39:41 PM
You can't (but this would be easily discerned by Microsoft - at least your usage habits). But they will refund *anyone* who bought Xbox Live Gold since Xbone was launched (again, prorated). You lose all XBL Gold access, obviously.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2014, 05:01:41 PM
I would take the refund and then use it to buy Live again if I actually used Live.

it would be like a free extension to the service.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2014, 09:27:03 PM
Just remember its prorated, so you don't get your money back for what you've used, you get the remainder back of what you haven't used.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2014, 11:04:38 PM
Oh, nevermind then. I guess that's better than nothing, especially since there are lots of services/functions that shouldn't have been behind a pay wall anyway.
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Post by: azeke on June 09, 2014, 02:10:14 PM
Welp. Exclusive Platinum Kamiya title means i willl have to pick XBone sometime in the future. Though we'll see more about it's gameplay, it doesn't look like Platinum's usual output i.e. hack'n'slash, more like a MonHun game, which is offputting if anything.


Another cool game i saw at MS conf was indie game called Cuphead -- it looks like 30s Disney cartoon shorts, so amazing.
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Post by: Soren on June 09, 2014, 02:23:56 PM
The only game that really grabbed me was Sunset Overdrive.
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Post by: Ymeegod on June 09, 2014, 02:26:33 PM
E3 scorecard for MS Xbox one--  B-

MS showed off tons of stuff and focused on the games but there really wasn't that "big" announcement and most of the stuff was just CGI.  The few "new" announcements were either expected like another Tomb Raider game or games that are cult hit at best--crackdown 3 or phantom dust 2.  Really MS?  Out of all the IPs then own they went with these two?  Another year for me with no Crimson Skies 3, Conker's Bad Fur Day 2, or Jade Empire 2. 

Evolve was the highlight game for me for MS E3 show.

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Post by: azeke on June 09, 2014, 02:30:22 PM
The other game i'm VERY interested in is new Tomb Raider game.


No, not the moaning simulator 2013 and it's sequel Rise of the Hoodie Murderer 2015. I'm talking about sequel to Lara Croft and Guardian of Light called LC: Temple of Osiris.


GoL was an awesome co-op game, i really, really enjoyed it.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on June 09, 2014, 02:34:03 PM
They focused on games and not gimmicks, little to no kinect. Solid mix of shooters, indie and exclusives.


B

Sunset Overdrive looks quite awesome.  The Ori game looks very awesome as well and might warrant a purchase.
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Post by: Plugabugz on June 09, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
The other game i'm VERY interested in is new Tomb Raider game.


No, not the moaning simulator 2013 and it's sequel Rise of the Hoodie Murderer 2015. I'm talking about sequel to Lara Croft and Guardian of Light called LC: Temple of Osiris.


GoL was an awesome co-op game, i really, really enjoyed it.

I'm glad you mentioned it. E3 is now complete. Everything is irrelevant after this.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 09, 2014, 03:47:44 PM
I didn't see the MS show, but the live blog sounded pretty good for MS the crowd. Are poeple excited about the Halo rereleases?
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Post by: azeke on June 09, 2014, 04:03:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKJDYipXa_8


Lara Craft trailer. I smiled when i saw the sequence where you need to run away while tiles are falling apart from you. My friend who i played it with was rubbish at this despite being an overall better gamer than i am (i am guessing my experience with Nintendo plaformers pays off).


Oh and it's on PC, so i don't have to buy a new console.
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Post by: azeke on June 09, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jDZfREYppk


Cuphead trailer. Love the visuals so much. Oh and it's on PC too.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2014, 04:37:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jDZfREYppk


Cuphead trailer. Love the visuals so much. Oh and it's on PC too.

They nailed that old silent Mickey Mouse cartoon look.
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Post by: broodwars on June 09, 2014, 04:59:27 PM
My basic thoughts on the press conference: a good press conference overall with a focus on games and ONLY games. That said, there were pretty much only three games shown that I have any interest in: Sunset Overdrive, Ori & the Forest, and Rise of the Tomb Raider. Sunset Overdrive had, without question, the best trailer of the day so far.
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Post by: Ymeegod on June 09, 2014, 05:00:49 PM
There's a very hardcore Halo 2 community that nearly went apeshit when MS pulled Xbox Live support.  Now 10 years later the same game is being reintroduce with prettier graphics but with all the gameplay/flaws intact. 

It's actually not a bad bundle of stuff (five games (halo 1-4 and reach) which 2 is remaster, all the maps (over 100), and an season pass to the TV series which I look forward to.  Kinda wished they threw in digital copies of the novels and comics but I'm still pretty pleased with the collection.

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 09, 2014, 05:03:58 PM
I didn't get to see the conference, because I've been in the back of a car all day and over the course of this trip have already burned through two thirds of my data for the month that started four days ago, but based on what I've read it sounds like a decent lineup. Still nothing that even remotely tempts me to go and pick one up, though.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 09, 2014, 07:38:24 PM
If that Halo Complete series allows you to play all the multiplayer levels from each series with the multiplayer rules and balance from previous games then that would warrant a purchase from any truly die hard fan. 

Seriously, how cool would it be to jump into Halo Reaches Multiplayer with the game balance from Halo 2 or Halo.  Or decide to play some old Halo 2 maps with all the weapons from Halo 4? 

That package alone could sell people on buying an Xbox One. 


For that matter this is what you consider a system selling game. 


Imagine if Nintendo was to release all the 3D Mario games with the latest high definition graphics and then allowed you to play the game with different abilities from all the games.  Even adding new Stars and such.  correcting and adding into the wall jump the slide ability.  Mario is a less obvious game for such a treatment, but still works.




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Post by: azeke on June 10, 2014, 12:47:30 AM
Imagine if Nintendo was to release all the 3D Mario games with the latest high definition graphics...
People would scream "bloody rehash" from the roofs and windows.

Personally for me, Halo doesn't make any difference.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2014, 12:59:58 AM
I actually enjoyed Microsoft's conference more than Sony's. At least they didn't spend an hour on completely worthless bullcrap before getting to the good stuff.
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Post by: Plugabugz on June 10, 2014, 02:57:42 AM
I didn't get to see the conference, because I've been in the back of a car all day and over the course of this trip have already burned through two thirds of my data for the month that started four days ago, but based on what I've read it sounds like a decent lineup. Still nothing that even remotely tempts me to go and pick one up, though.

That's because you've been intertubing "football" on your 40 inch Vita.

So far, outside of Rise of the Tomb Raider and Temple of Osiris and Uncharted 4 (2 of which in 2015 anyway), the overall theme of this show seems to be "COMING NEXT YEAR!".
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 10, 2014, 03:54:40 AM
I have to say I really liked the variation and multiple messages of the Microsoft press conference.  A lot of cool non Microsoft games available for the system and the games that look like cartoons are beautiful and perfect.
 
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 10, 2014, 09:32:01 AM
Probably going to trade in my PS4 and games to get a Xbox One Titanfall bundle.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 10, 2014, 09:57:24 AM
Shingi is BACK!
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 10, 2014, 10:24:25 AM
Phil Spencer sung his Siren directly at me.

Only real main complaints is I want a traditional single player Fable as well as legends, and I feel that they might have well ported ODST and Reach to the ONE as well.
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Post by: Ceric on June 10, 2014, 11:25:19 AM
Phil Spencer sung his Siren directly at me.

Only real main complaints is I want a traditional single player Fable as well as legends, and I feel that they might have well ported ODST and Reach to the ONE as well.
I don't think the Market value will change of the PS4 and Games that much Shingi.  Unless you really want Titanfall I probably just wait for a more appealing bundle.
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Post by: oohhboy on June 10, 2014, 01:36:40 PM
Probably going to trade in my PS4 and games to get a Xbox One Titanfall bundle.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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Post by: MagicCow64 on June 10, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
I thought it was a pretty ass conference. Too much co-op and/or shooty stuff. I liked the initial trailer for Sunset Overdrive, but the actual gameplay footage looked bogus to me. As was said, many of the reveals were just CGI teasers, which is basically impossible to give a **** about.

If the only thing Ubisoft is doing to change up Assassin's Creed is add co-op, I think I can safely say I'm done with the series.

Inside and Cuphead looked pretty awesome though, will be picking these up if they come out on PC.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 10, 2014, 03:31:54 PM
ignore
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 10, 2014, 03:50:29 PM
ignore
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2014, 03:58:18 PM
I don't seem many examples of the reveals you guys are talking about, so I had to go look them up myself... (thanks)

Sunset Overdrive
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 11, 2014, 09:12:44 PM
That's because you've been intertubing "football" on your 40 inch Vita.

Well yeah, streamed USA-Nigeria on the 45 minute bus ride to the soccer game and game 2 of the Stanley Cup finals on the way back.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 13, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
So it looks like MS is up to its moneyhatting tricks again.  Looks like they bought a timed exclusive on Rise of the Tomb Raider through at least 2015 holiday season.  (http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/13/microsofts-xbox-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-deal-is-a-timed-exclusive/)

Guess I'll just have to wait it out and get the Rise of the Tomb Raider GOTY that comes out for the other platforms.
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Post by: Ceric on August 14, 2014, 10:10:40 AM
I can't say I fully agree with there strategy since they are releasing it on the 360 as well.  They need stuff for the One.  I'm sure Crystal Dynamic insisted on it at least being 360 as well.  Then the time exclusivity I haven't seen them put an actual period on it.

I probably if I was them try to get 6 months to year out of it.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 14, 2014, 06:39:34 PM
I can't say I fully agree with there strategy since they are releasing it on the 360 as well.  They need stuff for the One.  I'm sure Crystal Dynamic insisted on it at least being 360 as well.  Then the time exclusivity I haven't seen them put an actual period on it.

I probably if I was them try to get 6 months to year out of it.
I feel like it'll be similar to Mass Effect 2 where the 360 version came out and the PS3 version was a year later.  It's obviously different circumstances, but the timing would be about right.
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Post by: Ceric on August 14, 2014, 08:54:34 PM
I think that be best.
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Post by: pokepal148 on August 14, 2014, 11:53:50 PM
I can't say I fully agree with there strategy since they are releasing it on the 360 as well.  They need stuff for the One.  I'm sure Crystal Dynamic insisted on it at least being 360 as well.  Then the time exclusivity I haven't seen them put an actual period on it.

I probably if I was them try to get 6 months to year out of it.
I feel like it'll be similar to Mass Effect 2 where the 360 version came out and the PS3 version was a year later.  It's obviously different circumstances, but the timing would be about right.
Or it may be like mass effect 1 which didn't reach the PS3 until 2012 for the trilogy.
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Post by: oohhboy on August 15, 2014, 02:24:20 AM
Unlikely. The Bone just simply doesn't have the pull that the 360 had during that point where it seemed like the 360 had pulled ahead indefinitely to "Win" the generation while the Wii did its own thing. Any money hat for anything longer than 1-3 months would grow geometric rate as the Bone has yet to exit the "Joke" period let alone make any ground against PS4.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 03, 2014, 06:46:34 PM
Unlikely. The Bone just simply doesn't have the pull that the 360 had during that point where it seemed like the 360 had pulled ahead indefinitely to "Win" the generation while the Wii did its own thing. Any money hat for anything longer than 1-3 months would grow geometric rate as the Bone has yet to exit the "Joke" period let alone make any ground against PS4.
I agree.  Plus, Mass Effect 1 was published directly by Microsoft.  Word was that they had about a 5 year deal on that.   Bioware wasn't bought out by EA until soon after ME1 was released.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 03, 2014, 10:20:26 PM
(http://img.inside-games.jp/imgs/zoom/508537.jpg)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 03, 2014, 11:05:35 PM
Are they finally releasing it in Japan?

Looks like demand is so low that the store didn't even bother to open that day.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 04, 2014, 01:08:42 AM
On a certain level I really respect Microsoft for being able to walk away here. They realize their systems will never be big successes in Japan, so they're barely going to even try. They put a ton of money into making the 360 catch on in Japan, with some really serious moneyhat cash, and it didn't really work, and instead of being crazy stubborn like Sony or Nintendo likely would be, they just gave up.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 04, 2014, 01:17:44 AM
So then the solution is for Nintendo to just give up in everything but the handhelds?

Gotcha.

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 04, 2014, 01:23:03 AM
I don't think they need to give up consoles, but if they're going to keep making them they should focus more of their attention on the markets that still buy them, the West. Sony and Microsoft are releasing their consoles in Japan but focus the design of them on Europe and NA, where they're still a bigger part of the gaming market. Nintendo's overly fixated on Japan, which makes sense for handhelds but not as much for consoles.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 04, 2014, 02:00:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/lXzCxf7.png)
Yes, its real
(http://i.imgur.com/nFvS4L9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YtEpcXal.jpg)
Steins Gate Akihabara is so much nicer.
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Post by: Ceric on September 04, 2014, 09:29:22 AM
I don't believe a launch is successfully in Japan unless the Queuing shown is outside.
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Post by: ejamer on September 04, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
I'm sure the cut-and-paste photoshop could be applied to an outdoor photo if that would mean the Japanese launch is successful.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 04, 2014, 01:19:35 PM
I am thinking about getting a One.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 04, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lXzCxf7.png)
Yes, its real

OMG!! that is hilarious.
All that comes to mind is this visual representation of MS's enthusiasm level
(http://i.imgur.com/Bf4rv63.jpg)
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Post by: Ymeegod on September 05, 2014, 12:14:27 PM
Man, I would fire the entire MS marketing team.  I've said it since MS first announced an xbox console, MS needs an Japanese partner--would have gone with Sega (the 90's sega and not the sega of today) or even Capcom.

The 360 had a few exclusive JRPGs (Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia) but MS stopped trying after year 2 and the few Japanese 360 fans were left in the cold. 

-----------------------------

On the up side, at least in the states things are looking slightly less dim with MS giving away one free game with the purchase of a console making the one ($50) cheaper than then PS4 destiny bundle but they still fooked up with the COD bundle IMO--paying $100 more for an $60 game and double storage which still won't be enough space since games are eating 30+GB.

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 05, 2014, 12:44:23 PM
The 360 was also the home to a surprising number of hardcore Japanese shoot-em-ups, including the only non-ludicrously expensive version of Radiant Silvergun, as was often lamented by Greg on RFN.
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Post by: azeke on September 05, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
The 360 was also the home to a surprising number of hardcore Japanese shoot-em-ups, including the only non-ludicrously expensive version of Radiant Silvergun, as was often lamented by Greg on RFN.
It's some kind of legacy of PS1 era Sony shunning 2d games in favour of 3d. Which led to Saturn becoming shmup haven.

Xbox inherited that position.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 06, 2014, 12:51:40 AM
I don't think 90's Sega still existed by the time Xbox had come out, if they did there wouldn't have been an Xbox and Saturn/Dreamcast would have lasted a lot longer than they did. 90's Sega is what almost killed Sega what they are today is still better than what they almost became.
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Post by: Ymeegod on September 06, 2014, 01:14:03 AM
I'm talking about sega's software.  Sega was still producing decent titles, still had their teams together--nowadays, Sammy sega is all about the arcade gambling machines :(. 

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 06, 2014, 01:29:44 AM
Sega put out some pretty good stuff on the Xbox, though. Panzer Dragoon Orta, for instance, which I always wanted to play but didn't have an Xbox and once I got my 360 I didn't really feel like tracking down a copy. That game really should've been on XBLA as an Xbox Original.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 06, 2014, 01:54:45 AM
Sega put out some pretty good stuff on the Xbox, though. Panzer Dragoon Orta, for instance, which I always wanted to play but didn't have an Xbox and once I got my 360 I didn't really feel like tracking down a copy. That game really should've been on XBLA as an Xbox Original.

yeah they also put out Toe Jam and Earl 3 on Xbox.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 06, 2014, 09:21:42 AM
Best SEGA game ever: Spider-Man The Video Game.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 06, 2014, 10:44:18 AM
Best SEGA game ever: Spider-Man The Video Game.


the one for 32X?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 06, 2014, 04:31:36 PM
Arcade.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 07, 2014, 10:06:11 AM
More pictures of joy.

(http://i.imgur.com/Awxd2UV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CErAbpO.jpg)
Also: Never forget.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2gslr2e.gif)
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Post by: Adrock on September 07, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
Every single one of those people in green shirts is reevaluating the choices they made in life.
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Post by: Ymeegod on September 07, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
The free game promo started today and those Madden/Xbox one combo packs are nearly sold out.  Best deals so far is either ordering through MS store, you'll get the same deal as retailers but MS is throwing in $50 MS XBOX LIVE credit or ordering it through BestBuy who's throwing in 2 year sub for GCL (supposedly an $120 value).

-----------

Expect a big boost in both Xbox One and PS4 NPD numbers for September. 
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 07, 2014, 03:20:56 PM
That Peggle 2 announcement has to be the most awkward trade show moment since Michael Bay's epic fail with Samsung.
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Post by: Sarail on September 08, 2014, 04:30:20 PM
Oh my. That poor sap really did shout 'PEGGLE 2!' and proceed to fist pump into axe chop the ground? Ugh.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 08, 2014, 05:27:04 PM
Unsure if Peggle 2 or this year's EA conference was sadder.

Been enjoying the X1 so far.
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Post by: oohhboy on September 08, 2014, 06:42:59 PM
Yes, Peggle 2 was that sad. If he broke his legs on landing, I might pity him.


Edit:Bye Bye cake!
(http://i.imgur.com/fwykqe2.jpg)
They were too cheap to send this to the internal proofreader.
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Post by: Khushrenada on September 08, 2014, 07:52:14 PM
Yes, Peggle 2 was that sad. If he broke his legs on landing, I might pity him.


Ha ha ha. I'm picturing him lying on the stage shouting out in pain, "My legs are broken! My legs are broken!" while the Ode to Joy music is blaring out to the audience. That probably would have got them to cheer. What a missed opportunity.


(http://i.imgur.com/fwykqe2.jpg)


Urghghgh. Man, does this crap disgust me. I want to punch whoever came up with this. So, uh, happy birthday. Here's a gift we'd like to give you. First, print off a frame with our logo all over it using your own printer ink and paper. What you can do with it is then stick you face in the frame and take a picture of yourself to show what a consumer whore you are. But don't just keep that knowledge to yourself. Send us a copy so we can laugh at how stupid looking and gullible you are for doing this. Of course, we won't actually retweet it. We'll just stick with our preselected and previously taken photos from the modeling agency we used to make up stock of this crap to ensure we keep putting out the message and image we want without any risk of controversy. You know, like a black person's picture getting used. Thanks again for being willing to advertise for us for free and get nothing out of it. Thanks also for giving us your money. Here's to you giving even more of it next year. Happy birthday Xbox user 487,653. From your friends, Xbox Marketing Dept.


I mean, really. Who does that crap even impress or cause goodwill with?
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 08, 2014, 08:25:46 PM
That Peggle 2 announcement has to be the most awkward trade show moment since Michael Bay's epic fail with Samsung.

Nope, Ubisoft Laser Tag and the weird **** konami did a few years back is even more akward.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 08, 2014, 11:12:21 PM
*since*

Anyway, I saw two dudes waiting outside Best Buy for Destiny. Just them. Pretty sure Target was already selling it.
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Post by: pokepal148 on September 10, 2014, 09:48:59 AM
If this isn't BS then F you Microsoft  (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/09/microsoft-said-to-be-in-advanced-talks-to-buy-minecraft-maker/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 10, 2014, 10:04:29 AM
I have never and will never play Minecraft, but god for this guy if Microsoft buys it.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 10, 2014, 10:08:37 AM
Yeah, that would be a bummer. I'm guessing content updates to Minecraft would stop and Minecraft 2 would be exclusive to Microsoft platforms and Notch would ride off into the sunset with his billions and maybe Jeb.
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Post by: pokepal148 on September 10, 2014, 12:22:41 PM
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Post by: Luigi Dude on September 10, 2014, 12:48:21 PM
2 billion for Mojang is the kind of bone head decision I can see Microsoft doing.  Once again they have no understanding of how the videogame industry actually works.  They think, wow, Minecraft is extremely popular right now, lets spend as much money as possible to make it exclusive without realizing just what made Minecraft so popular in the first place.

I'm sure the shareholders who already think Microsoft spends too much on videogames are going to be real happy they just wasted a few more billion on something gaming related that isn't going to come close to making up what was spent.
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Post by: pokepal148 on September 10, 2014, 02:27:18 PM
No, the big advantage minecraft has is it's platform availability. If Microsoft tries to lock it to Windows/Xbox then they've already lost.
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Post by: Ceric on September 10, 2014, 02:34:09 PM
Minecraft feels to me to be in its Wrath of the Lich King phase.  I don't really see it growing much more in popularity.  In fact I see it being more and more niche.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 10, 2014, 04:59:04 PM
So they're effectively spending 2 billion on ONE IP.  That means for this to be worth it it needs to make them more than 2 billion and this IP hasn't even had one sequel yet so there is no evidence that it has legs.

MS paid $375 million for Rare, a company with multiple hits, not just one, and what has that actually been worth to the Xbox brand?  It seems that taking away an asset from a competitor was the greater benefit than what they actually got out of Rare themselves.  So they're going to pay over five times that amount for a company with only one hit?

Of course I want MS out of the console industry by yesterday so I welcome any boneheaded decisions on their part.  Ignore what I wrote, MS.  2 billion is a steal!  Go for it!
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Post by: broodwars on September 10, 2014, 06:01:19 PM
Microsoft seems to have a love of investing huge amounts of money into dead companies and IPs (see also: Rare & the Gears of War franchise). Considering Microsoft outright refuses to invest money into developing their own studios, and instead just throws money at their problems, I'm quite content to see them become even more irrelevant by throwing even more money at a franchise doomed to die without its creator (Notch has been rumored as saying he's leaving the studio if Microsoft purchases them).

One of these days, Microsoft, you'll actually learn how to be a competent 1st party developer. Or you'll be forced to sell off the Xbox division. Whichever comes first.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 10, 2014, 06:02:30 PM
Rare has been one of Microsoft's best sources of shitty Kinect games and avatar accessories.

One of these days, Microsoft, you'll actually learn how to be a competent 1st party developer. Or you'll be forced to sell off the Xbox division. Whichever comes first.

Sony was a pretty shitty first party on the PS1, but they'd turned it around in much less time than Microsoft's had.
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Post by: Ceric on September 10, 2014, 06:04:27 PM
From what I've read Notch went to MS with $2 Billion.  I really doubt that in its prime Minecraft be worth that much.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 10, 2014, 10:06:29 PM
If Don Mattrick will answer anyone's calls, they should call up and ask how OMGPOP did for Zynga.

Badly.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 10, 2014, 11:55:51 PM
Microsoft seems to have a love of investing huge amounts of money into dead companies and IPs (see also: Rare & the Gears of War franchise). Considering Microsoft outright refuses to invest money into developing their own studios, and instead just throws money at their problems, I'm quite content to see them become even more irrelevant by throwing even more money at a franchise doomed to die without its creator (Notch has been rumored as saying he's leaving the studio if Microsoft purchases them).

One of these days, Microsoft, you'll actually learn how to be a competent 1st party developer. Or you'll be forced to sell off the Xbox division. Whichever comes first.


What makes Rare a dead company and Gears of War a dead IP.


Anyway your wrong on both counts, first off my friend as for new studios


Team Dakota- founded in 2012
Kids and life style entertainment - founded in 2012
Soho productions- founded in 2010
Black Tusk Studios- founded 2012
Lift London - founded last year
(Fun)ction studios - founded this year
Sota Studios- founded this year
LXP Studios - founded this year
Platform next- founded this year
Np studios- founded this year


Twisted Pixel acquired in 2011
Press Play was acquired in 2012
Gears of War was acquired earlier this year, it made sense for both parties, the IP is still popular and has life in it, but Epic has gotten out of traditional game development.


Microsoft announced a mulit year partnership with undead labs over the state of decay IP which microsoft owns. The first one was the fastest selling xbox live arcade game of all time and was pretty rad.


If Microsoft wouldn't have stepped in to fund Titanfall EA was going to cancel the game since the project had went over bugdet according to the post mortem EA and Gametrailers did.


Microsoft was also ready to fund Ryse 2 after being happy with the sales of the first but neogations shut down when Crytek despite being on its deathbed didn't want to give up the IP in exchange for a way to pay its employees.


On may 31st Microsoft aquired the Rise of IP.


First party games on the xbox one that are new or revived IP
Killer Instinct
Zoo Tycoon
Project Spark
Sunset Overdrive
Phantom Dust
Quantum Break
Scalebound
Screamride
Crimson Dragon
Lococycle
Powerstar Gold
Xbox Fitness
D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die
Ori and the Blind Forest




But yes no investments at all. Minecraft is a big get becuase no matter what a potential Minecraft 2 would sale gangbusters and probably put the xbox one into second place in console sales. Not only that but the licensing and merchandising revenue are unparalleled as well as getting the IP rights to interesting looks games like scrolls and cobalt.


Remember microsoft has over 90 billion in untaxed money sitting off shores that can be spent, and buying Mojang as cynical as it is gives them another off shore company to fill with cash.


http://www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-admits-keeping-92-billion-offshore-avoid-paying-29-billion-us-taxes-1665938
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Post by: azeke on September 11, 2014, 12:05:09 AM
Even if i am one of the people who doesn't "get" Minecraft, i think people here are shortchanging it.

Even at my workplace i see people playing it on their lunchbreaks. Minecraft is probably #1 game with kids, by very, very, very far. They even play it in schools as a form of educational activity.
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Post by: broodwars on September 11, 2014, 12:25:10 AM
Even if i am one of the people who doesn't "get" Minecraft, i think people here are shortchanging it.

Even at my workplace i see people playing it on their lunchbreaks. Minecraft is probably #1 game with kids, by very, very, very far. They even play it in schools as a form of educational activity.

My issue with Minecraft as a property to acquire is that it has no future as an exploitable IP. You can't do a Minecraft 2 and capture the same audience, let alone expand it. It's a game fueled by the imagination and creativity of the player, not a narrative; goal; or visual aesthetic. It's not the type of game to allow a sequel. Unlike something like Angry Birds, which is a concept that could be spun out in different directions, what really do you do to expand Minecraft beyond allowing larger worlds?  I suppose if Minecraft could best be compared to LEGOs, you could sell other world tilesets, but that's kind of the extent.  I just don't see how you recoup $2 billion on that IP, let alone make a profit.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 11, 2014, 12:31:49 AM
Even if i am one of the people who doesn't "get" Minecraft, i think people here are shortchanging it.

Even at my workplace i see people playing it on their lunchbreaks. Minecraft is probably #1 game with kids, by very, very, very far. They even play it in schools as a form of educational activity.

My issue with Minecraft as a property to acquire is that it has no future as an exploitable IP. You can't do a Minecraft 2 and capture the same audience, let alone expand it. It's a game fueled by the imagination and creativity of the player, not a narrative; goal; or visual aesthetic. It's not the type of game to allow a sequel. Unlike something like Angry Birds, which is a concept that could be spun out in different directions, what really do you do to expand Minecraft beyond allowing larger worlds?  I suppose if Minecraft could best be compared to LEGOs, you could sell other world tilesets, but that's kind of the extent.  I just don't see how you recoup $2 billion on that IP, let alone make a profit.


I work at a big box retailer and minecraft merchandise sells gangbusters.
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Post by: Ceric on September 11, 2014, 04:18:08 PM
Even if i am one of the people who doesn't "get" Minecraft, i think people here are shortchanging it.

Even at my workplace i see people playing it on their lunchbreaks. Minecraft is probably #1 game with kids, by very, very, very far. They even play it in schools as a form of educational activity.

My issue with Minecraft as a property to acquire is that it has no future as an exploitable IP. You can't do a Minecraft 2 and capture the same audience, let alone expand it. It's a game fueled by the imagination and creativity of the player, not a narrative; goal; or visual aesthetic. It's not the type of game to allow a sequel. Unlike something like Angry Birds, which is a concept that could be spun out in different directions, what really do you do to expand Minecraft beyond allowing larger worlds?  I suppose if Minecraft could best be compared to LEGOs, you could sell other world tilesets, but that's kind of the extent.  I just don't see how you recoup $2 billion on that IP, let alone make a profit.


I work at a big box retailer and minecraft merchandise sells gangbusters.
But $2 Billion dollars worth of Gangbusters?
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 12, 2014, 01:24:19 PM
Even if i am one of the people who doesn't "get" Minecraft, i think people here are shortchanging it.

Even at my workplace i see people playing it on their lunchbreaks. Minecraft is probably #1 game with kids, by very, very, very far. They even play it in schools as a form of educational activity.

My issue with Minecraft as a property to acquire is that it has no future as an exploitable IP. You can't do a Minecraft 2 and capture the same audience, let alone expand it. It's a game fueled by the imagination and creativity of the player, not a narrative; goal; or visual aesthetic. It's not the type of game to allow a sequel. Unlike something like Angry Birds, which is a concept that could be spun out in different directions, what really do you do to expand Minecraft beyond allowing larger worlds?  I suppose if Minecraft could best be compared to LEGOs, you could sell other world tilesets, but that's kind of the extent.  I just don't see how you recoup $2 billion on that IP, let alone make a profit.


I work at a big box retailer and minecraft merchandise sells gangbusters.
But $2 Billion dollars worth of Gangbusters?


Probably not, but once again 2 billion isn't much for a comapny with 90 billion stored off shore to escape taxes.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 12, 2014, 04:42:33 PM
If they keep making decisions based on that kind of logic they're not going to have $90 billion for very long.
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Post by: pokepal148 on September 15, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
So notch should probably delete his twitter for about a month, those fanboys are going to be vicious.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 15, 2014, 02:50:03 PM
They would never pay $2 billion, they'd pay $2.5 billion.
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Post by: Ceric on September 15, 2014, 02:52:01 PM
What in the world were they thinking?  Seriously... Jeez...  No wonder companies form with the express purpose to be bought by MS or Google.  They Way over paid.
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Post by: Triforce Hermit on September 15, 2014, 03:55:04 PM
Notch left. He doesn't want to be on a sinking ship and I don't blame him.
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Post by: Ceric on September 15, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
Notch left. He doesn't want to be on a sinking ship and I don't blame him.
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Post by: broodwars on September 15, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
Once again, Microsoft adds nothing creative to the industry, but merely takes from it. At least Microsoft's shown that they'll never learn from their mistakes, as they once again buy a company after the creative staff has left, ensuring that the developer's worth is extremely limited (see also: Rare).  *sigh* I don't care about Minecraft, but I just think of all the new and creative software Microsoft could be developing with $2.5 billion that they've instead thrown away on a single property they'll never recoup their costs on.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 15, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Once again, Microsoft adds nothing creative to the industry, but merely takes from it. At least Microsoft's shown that they'll never learn from their mistakes, as they once again buy a company after the creative staff has left, ensuring that the developer's worth is extremely limited (see also: Rare).  *sigh* I don't care about Minecraft, but I just think of all the new and creative software Microsoft could be developing with $2.5 billion that they've instead thrown away on a single property they'll never recoup their costs on.


isn't that the tech industry in a nutshell, startups making awesome **** to get aquired by bigger companies.




Also Rare's staff exodus started a tad bit before the buy off. Microsoft even let Rare make a ton of newer crap and none of it sold, but than their kinect work sold well. So gamers are onlt to blame.




Also Notch was the only one who left and anyone who actual follows the development of minecraft would know that he hasn't been involved in the development in any meaningful way since he started making prototypes, and was more of a spokesperson at this point.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 15, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
Things Microsoft could have done with $2.5bn:

- 5 Destinies
- 10 GTA Vs
- 100 AAA games
- Enough id@xbox stuff to choke the entire Kentucky Derby field
- Shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders

Any questions?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 15, 2014, 10:09:59 PM
This whole thing really shows the value of Nintendo's current tactic of partnering with studios but not out and out buying them. If a studio loses its top creative talent Nintendo can just move on and not be stuck with expensive shells of those companies former selves.
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Post by: Soren on September 15, 2014, 10:53:17 PM
Are microtransactions and the highly unlikely potential that Minecraft becomes as big as LEGO enough to warrant a 2.5 Billion price tag?


Hell no!
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Post by: azeke on September 15, 2014, 11:07:14 PM
the highly unlikely potential that Minecraft becomes as big as LEGO enough to warrant a 2.5 Billion price tag?...
Minecraft has become bigger than LEGO a long time ago, my friend.

Best selling PC game of all time. One of the best selling console games. It's the ONLY game that has Nintendo-like evergreen status on not-Nintendo consoles: Xbox (and now PS3) Minecraft is in European and American sales Top 10 chart every single week since it was released.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on September 16, 2014, 12:23:18 AM
Best selling PC game of all time. One of the best selling console games. It's the ONLY game that has Nintendo-like evergreen status on not-Nintendo consoles: Xbox (and now PS3) Minecraft is in European and American sales Top 10 chart every single week since it was released.

The thing is there's no evidence yet that Minecraft will remain this big in the future.  Look at how big Wii Sports, Guitar Hero, Wii Fit, Nintendogs, and Angry Birds were last gen, and then look at them now.  A lot of Minecraft's current popularity is because of the same kids and casuals that helped make a lot of these series popular, but as these show, this audience has a low attention span and will move on when something new gets their attention.

Now yes there's a strong core audience to Minecraft that can still help it keep selling millions, but enough to make up 2.5 billion dollars worth?  That's going to big the big question which I don't see happening.  Especially with Microsoft in charge of it now, who has a history of gutting the studio's they buy and making the quality suffer as a result, which will make even the core audience of Minecraft eventually got sick of it as well.
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Post by: Ymeegod on September 16, 2014, 12:43:00 AM
The hardcore fanboy in me died today.  2.5 billion could have funded 100's of "new" games or hell even fund MS dead IPs which MS has been collecting over the years.  MS keeps trying to attract the "casual" gamers, first with the Kinect and now Minecraft 2 and I feel like each time MS is forgetting about the "core" gamers who's supporting them all these years.  And they wonder why Xbox One isn't selling :(. 

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Post by: pokepal148 on September 16, 2014, 02:08:15 AM
Minecraft though is starting to get into the market as an education tool of some sort. I don't think it's peaked yet although I don't think that peak is worth 2.5 billion dollars.

Anyways, I suspect MS will allow Minecraft to continue as a multiplatform game with some small perks for people who bought the Xbox/Windows versions. They may even try to bring it to the Wii U as a way to expand into the Nintendo fanbase (which might be a good way to calm the panic over the PlayStation/Android/iOS versions, just to say, 'no we aren't canceling the PS4 version, in fact we're actually working on making the game available on the Wii U as well')

But it's Microsoft so who knows.
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Post by: shingi_70 on September 16, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Best selling PC game of all time. One of the best selling console games. It's the ONLY game that has Nintendo-like evergreen status on not-Nintendo consoles: Xbox (and now PS3) Minecraft is in European and American sales Top 10 chart every single week since it was released.

The thing is there's no evidence yet that Minecraft will remain this big in the future.  Look at how big Wii Sports, Guitar Hero, Wii Fit, Nintendogs, and Angry Birds were last gen, and then look at them now.  A lot of Minecraft's current popularity is because of the same kids and casuals that helped make a lot of these series popular, but as these show, this audience has a low attention span and will move on when something new gets their attention.

Now yes there's a strong core audience to Minecraft that can still help it keep selling millions, but enough to make up 2.5 billion dollars worth?  That's going to big the big question which I don't see happening.  Especially with Microsoft in charge of it now, who has a history of gutting the studio's they buy and making the quality suffer as a result, which will make even the core audience of Minecraft eventually got sick of it as well.


But none of those above games have the Lego factor that Minecraft has. Between Merchandising and the flexibility of it as a eudcation and entertainment platform its pretty Valuable.


Not 2.5 billion worth it too me, but seeing what Nadella says this Acquisition was more about Microsoft as whole, and not just the xbox division.




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"If you talk about STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics) education, the best way to introduce anyone to STEM or get their curiosity going on, it's Minecraft ... So I think what this open-world phenomenon will mean to the community at large, for people who builders, is pretty big, and we are very excited about the acquisition, obviously."

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Plus they have to use 90 billion that they have just sitting around offshore.


 

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 16, 2014, 03:31:47 PM
No they don't. They can sit on that money as long as they want, and going around spending it on things that'll never make that investment back is a stupid thing to do regardless of how much they have in the bank.
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Post by: Ceric on September 16, 2014, 03:41:56 PM
I mean there is some very interesting things you can do with that type of Cash.  In Microsoft case starting a new business in something totally unrelated to computers like a fast food restaurant chain.  A Pharmaceutical company.  Just in plain diversify.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 16, 2014, 06:23:42 PM
Years ago I used to play volleyball and there was one player that complained that he always ended up on the losing team.  He never put two-and-two together and realized that he was so inept at volleyball that his presence on the team assured a loss regardless of how good his teammates were.

I feel like this is MS.  They make these acquisitions and partnerships and suddenly these previously talented companies turn to crap under their watch.  Gee, is there a pattern there, perhaps?  I think Minecraft could only generate 2.5 billion in profit if Microsoft is not involved.  Isn't that a curse?  You can't reap the benefits of a successful company because your involvement sabotages it.

I think it all stems from MS not being a videogame company.  Go back and look at their first party track record and it is ridiculously inconsistent compared to Nintendo and Sony (though Sony isn't a videogame company either and took a while to really get it as a first party).  For every Halo or Gears of War there are Blinx's and Too Human's.  It's a total scattershot where they just fire off so many rounds that some titles are bound the hit the target.  They don't understand why Minecraft was successful and if they can maintain that success it will be from dumb luck.  The whole purchase just reaks of "well that Minecraft is a popular title, let's buy that!"
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 17, 2014, 02:20:50 AM
Microsoft needs to realize that buying a company that's losing its top creative talent is not a good move. The Stampers sold Rare because they wanted out; Notch sold Mojang because he wanted out. The best thing to come out of the former was enhanced ports of things they'd done with Nintendo, with the rest of their output being largely pretty bad stuff and avatar accessories. I think it's crazy to expect much more than that from Mojang.
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Post by: Ceric on September 17, 2014, 09:43:43 AM
Though in Notch's case seems like he's really be out of anything Minecraft related for a while.

So Microsoft is saying there going to make money off this the first year. Which the interesting part of that is what they really are saying is that in the messed up world of Corporate accounting that they will be making more money from this acquisition then they would if the money just sat in the bank.

That number is not $2.5 Billion dollars but $25 Million dollars.  By buying Minecraft they would make more Profit next year, because that is the only thing Investors care about, and I'm sure there is another accounting trick that will make the 2.5 Billion not hit there profits at all this year.
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Post by: lolmonade on October 27, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
Xbox One price is officially dropping to $350 baseline, $450 w/Kinect. 
 
I'm typically one to wait til the console generation has ended before getting the Microsoft console, but if I can find an Xbox one with the right game included at $350 or less, then I might be willing to take the plunge sooner.
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Post by: Ceric on October 27, 2014, 01:23:39 PM
Wait, the $350 is for the Kinectless one?  So the complete console would be $450.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 27, 2014, 02:06:31 PM
now would be a good time for Nintendo to drop the price on Wii U.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 27, 2014, 09:22:00 PM
Wow, that is a pretty desperate move for MS, but also a very smart move.  If Microsoft wants to be relevant in this generation it needs to get its console numbers higher. 

It also means Nintendo needs to think about a price drop.  It isn't too late to do a $249.99 with game bundle.  And a $299.99 Smash Bundle with Gamecube adapter and controller included.   
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 27, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
Nintendo would be stupid to drop the price right now. I really don't think this MS drop will have that much effect on what I think is going to be a pretty good holiday for Wii U. Maybe in like February, once the holiday and Smash bump have run their course.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 27, 2014, 10:06:15 PM
I bet Nintendo could drop the price to $99.99 and sales would increase maybe 10%.
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Post by: Adrock on October 27, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
It also means Nintendo needs to think about a price drop.  It isn't too late to do a $249.99 with game bundle.  And a $299.99 Smash Bundle with Gamecube adapter and controller included.
Nintendo doesn't need a price drop right now. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U is the console's strongest holiday title by a fairly large margin. It also has a large enough stable of first party content to entice fence-sitters. If Nintendo wants to be nice, it can throw consumers a bone, but I think it can stay the course this holiday season. Xbox One isn't doing spectacularly; it needs a price drop more than either Wii U or PS4.

I'm still not ready to commit to a non-Wii U console. They offer nothing I'm especially crazy about at the moment, certainly no where near enough to justify buying a new console. I originally envisioned buying a PS4 in 2015, but barring any amazing announcements, I'm fairly sure I'm pushing it back to 2016. The newness of a PS4 Slim redesign may force my hand.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 27, 2014, 11:02:28 PM
Nintendo would be stupid to drop the price right now. I really don't think this MS drop will have that much effect on what I think is going to be a pretty good holiday for Wii U. Maybe in like February, once the holiday and Smash bump have run their course.


It depends the only really commercially viable on the game that would sway people is smash brothers. You have to wonder if that and the bundles are enough. Smash Brothers is awesome but for $50 more you can get a much more support system that comes with two or three games.


I'll probably be buying a Wii U this holiday, but its only because I already own one of the other systems and because its $200 refurbished form Nntendo.



Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on October 27, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
The only thing I could see Nintendo doing is a Smash WiiU Bundle same price with the Gamecube Adapter and an Amiibo.  Limited Quantities.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 27, 2014, 11:14:05 PM
That reminds me, I wonder how much Nintendo's investment in Amiibo is?
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Post by: broodwars on October 27, 2014, 11:19:52 PM
I already had the Sunset Overdrive Xbone preordered to pick up tomorrow. With this announcement of another price drop, I wonder if I can browbeat my local Best Buy into honoring that price now when it doesn't take effect till 11/2. I already have a $50 coupon on the thing, so if I could pull that off, I'd essentially be getting the thing for $300, which is a satisfactory price for a console with a whopping 4 games I want to play (only 2 of which will actually be out by tomorrow).
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 28, 2014, 12:06:40 AM
It depends the only really commercially viable on the game that would sway people is smash brothers. You have to wonder if that and the bundles are enough. Smash Brothers is awesome but for $50 more you can get a much more support system that comes with two or three games.

There's nothing on the Xbone that's anything like Smash Bros.  People buying the Wii U for Smash Bros this holiday are doing it because they love playing Smash Bros and want the newest installment.  Plus for many, Smash Bros will end up giving them way more hours of gameplay in the end anyway making just that one game a better value then 2-3 Xbone games anyway.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on October 28, 2014, 10:01:30 AM
I already had the Sunset Overdrive Xbone preordered to pick up tomorrow. With this announcement of another price drop, I wonder if I can browbeat my local Best Buy into honoring that price now when it doesn't take effect till 11/2. I already have a $50 coupon on the thing, so if I could pull that off, I'd essentially be getting the thing for $300, which is a satisfactory price for a console with a whopping 4 games I want to play (only 2 of which will actually be out by tomorrow).
They'll probably make you go back between 9-5 M-F on 11/2 with your luck.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ceric on October 28, 2014, 10:58:12 AM
It depends the only really commercially viable on the game that would sway people is smash brothers. You have to wonder if that and the bundles are enough. Smash Brothers is awesome but for $50 more you can get a much more support system that comes with two or three games.

There's nothing on the Xbone that's anything like Smash Bros.  People buying the Wii U for Smash Bros this holiday are doing it because they love playing Smash Bros and want the newest installment.  Plus for many, Smash Bros will end up giving them way more hours of gameplay in the end anyway making just that one game a better value then 2-3 Xbone games anyway.
What both of these arguments are lacking is Nintendo Stubbornness. In general Nintendo doesn't really do Price drops and has a good amount of exclusives.  You can be pretty confident, 3DS as the exception, that if you buy Nintendo Console Hardware you won't be seeing a price drop are a real better iteration later.

MS not so much.  By now its a good chance you have on in the  PS360 combo and that will get you still the majority of new releases.  That will not be changing anytime soon.  There is still a very good arguments the smart move is to wait till it reaches a critical mass of games for you.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 28, 2014, 11:59:19 AM
Nintendo would be stupid to drop the price right now. I really don't think this MS drop will have that much effect on what I think is going to be a pretty good holiday for Wii U. Maybe in like February, once the holiday and Smash bump have run their course.


It depends the only really commercially viable on the game that would sway people is smash brothers. You have to wonder if that and the bundles are enough. Smash Brothers is awesome but for $50 more you can get a much more support system that comes with two or three games.


I'll probably be buying a Wii U this holiday, but its only because I already own one of the other systems and because its $200 refurbished form Nntendo.





I don't think the Xbox One is really competing with the Wii U at this point. Sony should be more concerned about the price drop than Nintendo should. I doubt a $50 price drop on the Wii U would have that significant of an effect on sales, and it would most likely hurt Nintendo financially quite a bit, depending on what it's currently costing them to produce the system.
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Post by: broodwars on October 28, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
Browbeat successful!
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 28, 2014, 12:09:48 PM
It depends the only really commercially viable on the game that would sway people is smash brothers. You have to wonder if that and the bundles are enough. Smash Brothers is awesome but for $50 more you can get a much more support system that comes with two or three games.

There's nothing on the Xbone that's anything like Smash Bros.  People buying the Wii U for Smash Bros this holiday are doing it because they love playing Smash Bros and want the newest installment.  Plus for many, Smash Bros will end up giving them way more hours of gameplay in the end anyway making just that one game a better value then 2-3 Xbone games anyway.
What both of these arguments are lacking is Nintendo Stubbornness. In general Nintendo doesn't really do Price drops and has a good amount of exclusives.  You can be pretty confident, 3DS as the exception, that if you buy Nintendo Console Hardware you won't be seeing a price drop are a real better iteration later.

MS not so much.  By now its a good chance you have on in the  PS360 combo and that will get you still the majority of new releases.  That will not be changing anytime soon.  There is still a very good arguments the smart move is to wait till it reaches a critical mass of games for you.


Since when? They aggressively dropped the price on SNES, N64, and Game Cube all to match their competition, Wii has blinded people into thinking that fluke is how it always was. Nintendo can not sell Wii U's at $300 when Xbox one, a new, more powerful next gen system with a rising library of games is fifty dollars more. You know they are having this discussion in board meetings right now, Smash Bros. is a big seller to Nintendo fans, but that game alone is not going to be the savior of the Wii U its going to be just like Game Cube, a big holiday sales rush and then sales falling off a cliff. By this point in Game Cubes life the price was already down to $99 and they were aggressive with their bundles, because MS was doing these types of aggressive bundles and price drops. Nintendo fans, or a certain segment of them, might not think Microsoft and Nintendo are competing for the same audience but their investors, and the game developers all know better.

Nintendo might hide a price drop in aggressive bundles, at first but there is no way an official one doesn't fallow suit right away.

I am willing to bet money on it, I will GIFT an eshop game of your choice if I am wrong, anyone takes me up on it does the same for me. They WILL drop the price before December first, most likely in a big bundle that is priced the same as the regular set but comes with enough crap to get the core unit down to the hidden new price, then right after the official price drop.

As much as I want Smash Bros. to be the system seller that turns Wii U into the viable machine everyone wants it to be, it won't it will be another Mario Kart, it will have big sales for a few weeks then no new major games for months and it drops off. The games that are coming have Nintendo fan appeal and those guys are all one the fence waiting for that one more game, most who held off this long its Smash, the rest its Zelda, everyone else needs more than five games to play to justify a $300 machine, and right now theres not that many that have mass appeal.

Hate them all you want, Madden, Call of Duty, Fifa, NBA Live, these games have mass appeal, and there are dozens of them out now or coming soon to the other two, there is nothing coming to Wii U outside of Smash and some really quirky Nintendo games that have limited appeal to mostly kids, and die hard Nintendo fans, and people with families. Xbox sucks at that last market Sony does not. Now what could  force Nintendo's hand is if Sony went for the kill and also dropped the price of the PS4, which lets be realistic is not past them doing if they want to get aggressive which they just might especially if they think they can take Japan away from Nintendo.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 28, 2014, 12:17:48 PM
Nintendo's price cuts in the past have generally come when they had the margin to cut it and still make money. I really doubt that's the case right now with the Wii U. Nintendo can't afford to go back to losing money per unit when they've been unprofitable for as long as they have unless they feel it would make a huge difference in sales, which I severely doubt.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: lolmonade on October 28, 2014, 03:17:24 PM
Wait, the $350 is for the Kinectless one?  So the complete console would be $450.

Do you own the Kinect 2.0?  Does it vastly improve how you interact with the console?   I know it isn't being utilized in games, so i'd need to justify paying the delta of those two prices if I ever consider dropping the cash on something like this.
 
Serious questions here.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: lolmonade on October 28, 2014, 03:30:12 PM
It depends the only really commercially viable on the game that would sway people is smash brothers. You have to wonder if that and the bundles are enough. Smash Brothers is awesome but for $50 more you can get a much more support system that comes with two or three games.

There's nothing on the Xbone that's anything like Smash Bros.  People buying the Wii U for Smash Bros this holiday are doing it because they love playing Smash Bros and want the newest installment.  Plus for many, Smash Bros will end up giving them way more hours of gameplay in the end anyway making just that one game a better value then 2-3 Xbone games anyway.
What both of these arguments are lacking is Nintendo Stubbornness. In general Nintendo doesn't really do Price drops and has a good amount of exclusives.  You can be pretty confident, 3DS as the exception, that if you buy Nintendo Console Hardware you won't be seeing a price drop are a real better iteration later.

MS not so much.  By now its a good chance you have on in the  PS360 combo and that will get you still the majority of new releases.  That will not be changing anytime soon.  There is still a very good arguments the smart move is to wait till it reaches a critical mass of games for you.


Since when? They aggressively dropped the price on SNES, N64, and Game Cube all to match their competition, Wii has blinded people into thinking that fluke is how it always was. Nintendo can not sell Wii U's at $300 when Xbox one, a new, more powerful next gen system with a rising library of games is fifty dollars more. You know they are having this discussion in board meetings right now, Smash Bros. is a big seller to Nintendo fans, but that game alone is not going to be the savior of the Wii U its going to be just like Game Cube, a big holiday sales rush and then sales falling off a cliff. By this point in Game Cubes life the price was already down to $99 and they were aggressive with their bundles, because MS was doing these types of aggressive bundles and price drops. Nintendo fans, or a certain segment of them, might not think Microsoft and Nintendo are competing for the same audience but their investors, and the game developers all know better.

Nintendo might hide a price drop in aggressive bundles, at first but there is no way an official one doesn't fallow suit right away.

I am willing to bet money on it, I will GIFT an eshop game of your choice if I am wrong, anyone takes me up on it does the same for me. They WILL drop the price before December first, most likely in a big bundle that is priced the same as the regular set but comes with enough crap to get the core unit down to the hidden new price, then right after the official price drop.

As much as I want Smash Bros. to be the system seller that turns Wii U into the viable machine everyone wants it to be, it won't it will be another Mario Kart, it will have big sales for a few weeks then no new major games for months and it drops off. The games that are coming have Nintendo fan appeal and those guys are all one the fence waiting for that one more game, most who held off this long its Smash, the rest its Zelda, everyone else needs more than five games to play to justify a $300 machine, and right now theres not that many that have mass appeal.

Hate them all you want, Madden, Call of Duty, Fifa, NBA Live, these games have mass appeal, and there are dozens of them out now or coming soon to the other two, there is nothing coming to Wii U outside of Smash and some really quirky Nintendo games that have limited appeal to mostly kids, and die hard Nintendo fans, and people with families. Xbox sucks at that last market Sony does not. Now what could  force Nintendo's hand is if Sony went for the kill and also dropped the price of the PS4, which lets be realistic is not past them doing if they want to get aggressive which they just might especially if they think they can take Japan away from Nintendo.

1) I don't think anyone expects Smash Brothers to do (much) better than MarioKart for Wii U. 
 
2)  I'd eat my hat if EA ever comes back to Wii U, even in gimped form.  They've already made the business decision that it's not profitable for them to bother sending-out their PS3/Xbox 360 ports to die on Wii U.  As they focus primarily on PS4/Xbox One, they're absolutely not going to spend time porting a game made specifically for more powerful hardware to a weaker console that shows little promise to get a ROI.
 
3)  I think it's even LESS likely to see a price drop by PS4 than Nintendo.  They have absolutely no reason to drop the price, when they're outselling Xbox by 40% (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/10/analysis-worldwide-ps4-sales-at-least-40-percent-better-than-xbox-one/).  People already see a value proposition for the PS4 at a $400 price point, but they clearly don't see the same value in Microsoft's console, even if the differences are marginal.
 
Truthfully, in the several years I've casually followed the video game market, a price drop alone has done little to bolster the sales of a system or handheld.  It would need to be on-top of a system that has a lot of compelling games & features, and put the price at a threshold where it could be considered a potential impulse buy.  I don't see $350 being that point for Microsoft, even with Master Chief Collection & Sunset Overdrive.
 
 
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 28, 2014, 03:43:38 PM
Nintendo will drop the Wii U price, but I'd be very surprised if it happens before the end of the fiscal year.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: broodwars on October 28, 2014, 03:51:22 PM
First thoughts on the Xbone: this thing is gigantic with a suitably enormous power brick, and it doesn't seem feasible that I could stand this thing on its side so it could actually fit on my desk. I despise the shoulder buttons and sticks on the controller. The UI is just...annoying, particularly the shop's. It took me the better part of an hour to find the "browse" option in the store (the "New Releases" section), which may or may not load depending on Xbox Live's mood. In fact, the store in general barely runs. I must have run into dozens of "we're sorry, but we can't find the page" errors. I'm still in the process of downloading stuff from the store (naturally, the copy of Sunset Overdrive that came with my Xbone was a 23 GB download), but I'm looking forward to finally playing something sometime tonight, given that nothing Sony-related is running right now.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 28, 2014, 05:34:12 PM
It depends the only really commercially viable on the game that would sway people is smash brothers. You have to wonder if that and the bundles are enough. Smash Brothers is awesome but for $50 more you can get a much more support system that comes with two or three games.

There's nothing on the Xbone that's anything like Smash Bros.  People buying the Wii U for Smash Bros this holiday are doing it because they love playing Smash Bros and want the newest installment.  Plus for many, Smash Bros will end up giving them way more hours of gameplay in the end anyway making just that one game a better value then 2-3 Xbone games anyway.
What both of these arguments are lacking is Nintendo Stubbornness. In general Nintendo doesn't really do Price drops and has a good amount of exclusives.  You can be pretty confident, 3DS as the exception, that if you buy Nintendo Console Hardware you won't be seeing a price drop are a real better iteration later.

MS not so much.  By now its a good chance you have on in the  PS360 combo and that will get you still the majority of new releases.  That will not be changing anytime soon.  There is still a very good arguments the smart move is to wait till it reaches a critical mass of games for you.


Since when? They aggressively dropped the price on SNES, N64, and Game Cube all to match their competition, Wii has blinded people into thinking that fluke is how it always was. Nintendo can not sell Wii U's at $300 when Xbox one, a new, more powerful next gen system with a rising library of games is fifty dollars more. You know they are having this discussion in board meetings right now, Smash Bros. is a big seller to Nintendo fans, but that game alone is not going to be the savior of the Wii U its going to be just like Game Cube, a big holiday sales rush and then sales falling off a cliff. By this point in Game Cubes life the price was already down to $99 and they were aggressive with their bundles, because MS was doing these types of aggressive bundles and price drops. Nintendo fans, or a certain segment of them, might not think Microsoft and Nintendo are competing for the same audience but their investors, and the game developers all know better.

Nintendo might hide a price drop in aggressive bundles, at first but there is no way an official one doesn't fallow suit right away.

I am willing to bet money on it, I will GIFT an eshop game of your choice if I am wrong, anyone takes me up on it does the same for me. They WILL drop the price before December first, most likely in a big bundle that is priced the same as the regular set but comes with enough crap to get the core unit down to the hidden new price, then right after the official price drop.

As much as I want Smash Bros. to be the system seller that turns Wii U into the viable machine everyone wants it to be, it won't it will be another Mario Kart, it will have big sales for a few weeks then no new major games for months and it drops off. The games that are coming have Nintendo fan appeal and those guys are all one the fence waiting for that one more game, most who held off this long its Smash, the rest its Zelda, everyone else needs more than five games to play to justify a $300 machine, and right now theres not that many that have mass appeal.

Hate them all you want, Madden, Call of Duty, Fifa, NBA Live, these games have mass appeal, and there are dozens of them out now or coming soon to the other two, there is nothing coming to Wii U outside of Smash and some really quirky Nintendo games that have limited appeal to mostly kids, and die hard Nintendo fans, and people with families. Xbox sucks at that last market Sony does not. Now what could  force Nintendo's hand is if Sony went for the kill and also dropped the price of the PS4, which lets be realistic is not past them doing if they want to get aggressive which they just might especially if they think they can take Japan away from Nintendo.

1) I don't think anyone expects Smash Brothers to do (much) better than MarioKart for Wii U. 
 
2)  I'd eat my hat if EA ever comes back to Wii U, even in gimped form.  They've already made the business decision that it's not profitable for them to bother sending-out their PS3/Xbox 360 ports to die on Wii U.  As they focus primarily on PS4/Xbox One, they're absolutely not going to spend time porting a game made specifically for more powerful hardware to a weaker console that shows little promise to get a ROI.

I never said anything about EA coming back so where is that coming from? I was using those games as examples there are dozens of NON-EA games you could point to so thats a weak reply to my point, the point was those machines have games with mass appeal, Wii U does not,
 
3)  I think it's even LESS likely to see a price drop by PS4 than Nintendo.  They have absolutely no reason to drop the price, when they're outselling Xbox by 40% (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/10/analysis-worldwide-ps4-sales-at-least-40-percent-better-than-xbox-one/).  People already see a value proposition for the PS4 at a $400 price point, but they clearly don't see the same value in Microsoft's console, even if the differences are marginal.
 
Truthfully, in the several years I've casually followed the video game market, a price drop alone has done little to bolster the sales of a system or handheld.  It would need to be on-top of a system that has a lot of compelling games & features, and put the price at a threshold where it could be considered a potential impulse buy.  I don't see $350 being that point for Microsoft, even with Master Chief Collection & Sunset Overdrive.


Price drops have also come when console makers get desperate, you do realize that also? No they don't always have the affect of massive increased sales but that isn't the goal the goal is market perception. If the market sees the newer machine is only $50 more than the older machine then the market, the retailers and the industry executives and the potential consumers, are going to get it in their heads that the Wii U is not as valuable and therefore they will have to drop the price, not to increase sales but to stop Xbox from taking market share and mind share away from their potential customers. Video games are just like any other business so just studying a few examples from the past 35 years of major gaming industry is not enough to get a full picture, unless you remove everyone but the few major players, then you might maybe have a picture. BUT economics and business as a whole are the same no matter what industry and its not just can Nintendo afford to take a loss on the machine, nobody said that we don't know what that thing costs to make, plus its been over a year since they discontinued the other Wii which no doubt has had some impact on the production costs because their plants only have so many resources to go around, the final cost of the machine is NOT just related to the costs of materials and labor there are R&D factors and the cost of starting up a new assembly line, those costs have no doubt been recouped by now, or damn near close otherwise they wouldn't have dropped the price last time they did nor would they be ramping up production for a NEW console, the New 3DS.

What I do know is that from a business perspective Nintendo cannot afford to lose ground to Xbox One right now in retailers or mindshare, so they will need to do something to match Microsoft, Wii U is barely selling better than Game Cube who had already had aggressive price drops and bundles at this point in life.

They will most likely hide the price drop in bundles, then officially drop the price right after. They aren't sitting on brisk sales right now either. Smash Bros. has the potential to out sell Mario Kart but not by much, if it even does that, the handheld version could cannibalize sales we don't know yet how that will play out. There is a real chance Smash Bros. U will bomb up front as the larger userbase is content with the handheld and can wait for a price drop on the game, which people here have indicated they will do and I hear it at games tores too, so there is a chance that Nintendo could be preparing for a performance similar to Super Mario 3D World, something that would not reinviggerate their investors or their customers. Nintendo has been able to sell on good will for as long as they could, that good will is spent they need to start delivering now and yes they have a few games, three at my count, that people would be tempted to play but that does not change the fact the other two have dozens more games to play and in economics value added will affect customers minds more than total cost, people will see Xbox as a value because its only fifty dollars more but you get greater potential which undermines what Nintendo is able to do.

Still its not like anyone can prove what will happen so lets just leave it there. Sony is the one who really needs to keep an eye on this, because Sony might not want to give MS a fighting chance they could decide its better to keep MS from getting a footing to mount a solid comeback, Sony is betting their entire future on PS4 so I put money on them being aggressive in their response. Which will force Nintendo's hand like it or not, and they won't want to but they cannot afford to have retailers remove their product entirely to make room for more Xboxes, that did happen with Game Cube which is why the aggressive price drops happened in the first place, retailers will not stock Wii u if it stops selling or if Xbox picks up and Wii U stays the same or slows down. Smash will be abundant but what about Captain Toad, or NES Remix, those games might be limited releases retailers might not see much incentive to stock them if the system isn't selling and MS is desperate because this will hurt them too if they can't start moving machines and unlike Nintendo MS could buy out K-Mart if they had to and then give them a major retailer whereas Nintendo loses good will with retailers then they have a harder time, especially when they are increasingly dependent on digital sales.


Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 28, 2014, 05:39:30 PM
to be honest, I am only interested in PS4 so I really don't care what MS does.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: Ymeegod on October 29, 2014, 10:16:13 AM
Actually the wii u is selling alot worse then the GC, according to nintendos own numbers roughly 7.25 million units sold vs 10.5 million gc's sold for the first 21 months of each console.

MS needed to reduce price and i'm glad they finalliy realized it but I don't think they were agressive enough but maybe with retailers push the xbox might be able to push 2 million sales in the last quarter. 
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 30, 2014, 12:56:57 AM
Actually the wii u is selling alot worse then the GC, according to nintendos own numbers roughly 7.25 million units sold vs 10.5 million gc's sold for the first 21 months of each console.

MS needed to reduce price and i'm glad they finalliy realized it but I don't think they were agressive enough but maybe with retailers push the xbox might be able to push 2 million sales in the last quarter.


and facing much stiffer competition and a far more divided market, all the more reason to be as aggressive as they can.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 31, 2014, 01:47:11 AM
Don't buy the Bone, seriously.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2014, 01:57:47 AM
Don't buy the Bone, seriously.

Eh, I can recommend a 'Bone for the $300 I paid, but with its pitiful software lineup right now I wouldn't recommend it for anything above that. I've put some time into Sunset Overdrive, and that game's the real deal. It's the only truly fun open world game I've played this year, and this year has had a lot of open world games. It deserves to be a system seller...but, sadly, it won't be one to many people.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2014, 02:10:32 AM
I don't think an open world game could ever be a system seller for me.
Title: Re: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2014, 02:26:19 AM
I don't think an open world game could ever be a system seller for me.

Sunset Overdrive is essentially an Open World Ratchet & Clank game mixed with Jet Grind Radio, with the wacky weapons; weapon leveling; rail-grinding; and ****ing COLOR we've come to expect from those series. Hell, it's an open world game where you can bounce on cars, infinitely wall-run, and wall-jump between buildings. It's not your typical open world game.
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Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2014, 09:00:59 AM
Saw the Call of Duty XBone.  That kit looks cool.  Sunset Overdrive XBone got the shaft.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 31, 2014, 09:06:13 PM
Don't buy the Bone, seriously.

Eh, I can recommend a 'Bone for the $300 I paid, but with its pitiful software lineup right now I wouldn't recommend it for anything above that. I've put some time into Sunset Overdrive, and that game's the real deal. It's the only truly fun open world game I've played this year, and this year has had a lot of open world games. It deserves to be a system seller...but, sadly, it won't be one to many people.


You didn't like Watch_Dogs?
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Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2014, 09:15:15 PM
Don't buy the Bone, seriously.

Eh, I can recommend a 'Bone for the $300 I paid, but with its pitiful software lineup right now I wouldn't recommend it for anything above that. I've put some time into Sunset Overdrive, and that game's the real deal. It's the only truly fun open world game I've played this year, and this year has had a lot of open world games. It deserves to be a system seller...but, sadly, it won't be one to many people.


You didn't like Watch_Dogs?

"Meh", which seems to be the general impression towards Watch Dogs.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 31, 2014, 09:22:07 PM
Don't buy the Bone, seriously.

Eh, I can recommend a 'Bone for the $300 I paid, but with its pitiful software lineup right now I wouldn't recommend it for anything above that. I've put some time into Sunset Overdrive, and that game's the real deal. It's the only truly fun open world game I've played this year, and this year has had a lot of open world games. It deserves to be a system seller...but, sadly, it won't be one to many people.


You didn't like Watch_Dogs?

"Meh", which seems to be the general impression towards Watch Dogs.


but it sold 9 million copies.
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Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
Don't buy the Bone, seriously.

Eh, I can recommend a 'Bone for the $300 I paid, but with its pitiful software lineup right now I wouldn't recommend it for anything above that. I've put some time into Sunset Overdrive, and that game's the real deal. It's the only truly fun open world game I've played this year, and this year has had a lot of open world games. It deserves to be a system seller...but, sadly, it won't be one to many people.


You didn't like Watch_Dogs?

"Meh", which seems to be the general impression towards Watch Dogs.


but it sold 9 million copies.

Mostly on pre-orders. On hype. Try to find someone who loves that game now. If Destiny hadn't come out and been the spectacular critical dud that it was, Watch Dogs probably would've been a shoe-in for most disappointing game of the year.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 31, 2014, 09:30:44 PM
Don't buy the Bone, seriously.

Eh, I can recommend a 'Bone for the $300 I paid, but with its pitiful software lineup right now I wouldn't recommend it for anything above that. I've put some time into Sunset Overdrive, and that game's the real deal. It's the only truly fun open world game I've played this year, and this year has had a lot of open world games. It deserves to be a system seller...but, sadly, it won't be one to many people.


You didn't like Watch_Dogs?

"Meh", which seems to be the general impression towards Watch Dogs.


but it sold 9 million copies.

Mostly on pre-orders. On hype. Try to find someone who loves that game now. If Destiny hadn't come out and been the spectacular critical dud that it was, Watch Dogs probably would've been a shoe-in for most disappointing game of the year.


Now yout just being a Hater. I loved Watch_dogs, Destiny, and Titanfall, the commercials at gamestop told me too.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 15, 2014, 10:07:51 PM
Christ, this hasn't been updated in forever either. Amazing deal if you like Assassin's Creed games. Get Black Flag AND Unity for $32.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PCW6TZG/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00PCW6TZG&linkCode=as2&tag=igndeals14-20&linkId=IAPLZHC2EAATK3TU
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on December 16, 2014, 03:06:47 PM
Been playing Watch Dogs, I don't get the hate its a pretty solid game.
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Post by: oohhboy on December 16, 2014, 04:18:53 PM
Been playing Watch Dogs, I don't get the hate its a pretty solid game.
It was not what was advertised, shallow as a puddle and buggy. So a Ubisoft game.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 09, 2015, 07:45:38 AM
Alright I have Wii U, mostly happy with it for what it is so far.
I have a PS4, loving it so far it has filled the gap Wii U was lacking.
I have a PS3 and have no complaints there
and I can get a good few games on Steam on my laptop if I choose to, which I rarely do.

Xbox One owners, is there still a reason for me to get one or looking at what I have would that be overkill? I do not have a 360, I have considered picking up on used now that they are cheap enough but I am still on the fence because I have a PS3 anyways.

What games, experiences, features does the console offer the PS4 doesn't? Or would I be best to save my money on a new console and spend it on more games for the one I have.?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 09, 2015, 09:36:01 AM
TV features, NFL Now, and more voice commands, and of course any dancing games like Dance Central (shut up, they're fun) are way better with Kinect than they are with the PS Camera. Other than that it's basically do you want Halo games or not.
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Post by: Ceric on January 09, 2015, 11:36:03 AM
Sunset Overdrive is suppose to be really good.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 09, 2015, 07:02:52 PM
Like the above have said and some other exclusives like KI, Zoo Tycoon, Forza Motorsport, etc.

Seeing as you already have two I'd say wait Until E3 or the holidays to pick one up if you want one at all. So much content coming to the PS4 and Wii U that you should just stick with those.

I bought Forza Motorsport 5 today. I got the game of the year edition for $25 off the Xbox One store.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 10, 2015, 07:22:02 AM
I think I might just pick up an Xbox 360 Used instead and see what that offers as PS3 is getting tapped out all I have left on my list of to get games are a bunch of over priced RPG games I can wait on.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 15, 2015, 03:33:31 AM
Check your privilege.

(http://i.imgur.com/NmjxxEC.jpg)
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 25, 2015, 08:23:52 PM
I decided to hold off and see what comes of the Steam machine. I have a strong feeling I will be getting a new gaming computer this year anyways so that would negate the need for an Xbox since I already have a PS4 and Wii U. I don't see enough true exclusives coming to Xbox One to justify owning it in that scenario. I have a very strong feeling Microsoft is going to give Windows a strong gaming push to stop Steam OS in its tracks.
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Post by: azeke on March 07, 2015, 08:22:38 AM
Cuphead continues to look amazing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK0vqTV9cgI
Developer namedropping Contra and Gunstar Heroes as inspirations was cool.

Can't wait to play it whenever it comes on PC.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 15, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
Welp, Microsoft's press conference just sold me an Xbox One. A more diverse than expected showing, plus the Rare mega collection and backward compatibility pushed me over the edge.
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Post by: ymeegod on June 15, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
You can get $175 trade in deal at BestBuy for your old xbox 360 (250GB or better) and now with BC on the ONE there's not going be a reason to hold on to your old system.

Might need a bigger drive then 1TB though since all physical xbox 360 games have to be installed just like xbox one games.

-------------
Loved Sea of Thieves (Rare's new pirate multiplayer game) and some of that new VR tech stuff looked good as well. 

Overall MS had a decent showing--better than the last couple of years that's for sure.  Most of the big AAA games were "expected" but MS stated they had more stuff to show off at gamecom so maybe we'll see more "orginal" titles there.

 
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Post by: azeke on June 15, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
Just like last year on xbox e3 conference the only interesting game shown was Cuphead.

Backwards compatibility is good. It might make my transfer from 360 to One easier whenever Scalebound comes out.

Gears Ultimate Edition is disappointing, because it's just the first game. Gears 4 is i don't even know how to feel about -- majority of it the player was walking around.

Pirates MMO looks cool, but no way it's gonna work and be fun to play.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on June 15, 2015, 02:32:52 PM
Huh, I just reviewed the major announcements before I strolled over here and I have the opposite impression. The backwards compatibility is a good move, but more of a delayed feature that should have been there at launch. More subjectively, I can't think of anything exclusive to the 360 library that I missed.

Rare's new pirate MMO game is completely unappealing to me. The Replay collection is cool, but not mind-blowing. Gears 4 looked really underwhelming, but at this point I think the franchise is just played out. That Recore game looked the most promising, but showed no gameplay, and is from Armature, which has not produced anything decent. Otherwise the AAA landscape is looking like it's banking on a lot of safe sequels. Dark Souls 3, Tomb Raider Reboot 2, Dishonored 2, Fallout 4, Halo 5, Forza 6.
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Post by: Phil on June 15, 2015, 02:34:35 PM
Welp, Microsoft's press conference just sold me an Xbox One. A more diverse than expected showing, plus the Rare mega collection and backward compatibility pushed me over the edge.


Me too! That Rare Replay retail release will more than pay for itself!
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Post by: Triforce Hermit on June 15, 2015, 03:46:45 PM
I now respect Phil Spencer because he has backed up his allegations that he understands what gamers want.

Still won't buy an Xbone.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on June 15, 2015, 04:34:50 PM
Not sure what platforms this is for, but here's the first thing that's actually caught my interest from this E3 so far, unraveled from EA of all places:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qKRBb4L41A

Looks really scripted, but that could work in a Limbo-type way.
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Post by: ejamer on June 15, 2015, 08:18:58 PM
I'm not a big MS follower. Someone help me understand the details.


Backwards compatibility
(1) Is this going to be all 360 games?  Or just the (very meager) subset posted here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility/


(2) What does "backwards compatibility" really mean to MS, because going off their 360 experience I'm less thrilled than many here seem to be. Remember how many games kind of worked, and how many didn't?  It's still cool news... but hardly "sell your 360 and rush to buy XBone" material.


Rare Collection
Ok, no questions here. Just sounds awesome and I'm jealous!
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 15, 2015, 09:19:45 PM
Notice how Halo and Gears are absent from the list until Microsoft is done making money off of the remakes. Still it's pretty cool. If the games are "natively" running on the Xbone then that explains why you'll have to download a copy from Microsoft. It seems they are actually recompiling the binaries to run on the Xbone instead of emulating the Xbox 360. Could be wrong.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 15, 2015, 09:34:14 PM
ReCore has an interesting pedigree, it looked okay for a cutscene.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 15, 2015, 10:13:58 PM
Backwards compatibility
(1) Is this going to be all 360 games?  Or just the (very meager) subset posted here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility/

That's what it is now, and they're going to add to it over time. They said something about having over 100 games by later this year.

Notice how Halo and Gears are absent from the list until Microsoft is done making money off of the remakes.

But it does include pretty much all the 360 Rare stuff, which is going to be in that collection they want to sell people.
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2015, 12:09:45 AM
Quick thoughts on the conference: it was good. Not great, but good. I'm reserving judgement on the 360 BC compatibility thing, since it's on a case-by-case basis & I suspect many publishers aren't going to do it since they have HD-er Collections to put out. Also, the way they are DOING this BC compatibility raises some serious issues about the Xbone's pitiful storage limitations, even compared to the PS4.

The Rare Collection made me very happy. In a month, I could be playing Jet Force Gemini, Conker's Bad Fur Day, and Blast Corps again. I couldn't be happier with the selection.

Halo 5 did nothing for me, even as someone who really liked Halo 4. I liked Gears 4 better when I thought it was an Alan Wake game for the first 30 seconds of the footage. Never played any of the Gears games I own, so indifferent towards that & the remake.

Cup Head still looks amazing.

Rise of the Tomb Raider is still a very stupid name, and the footage was a lot less than I wanted.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 16, 2015, 12:15:06 AM
Why is it the N64 Conker and not the remake for the original Xbox, live and reloaded, which looked way better?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 16, 2015, 12:20:18 AM
For me what I'm looking for the most in backward compatibility is XBLA stuff, so I probably don't have to worry much about things being held back for remasters. I'd like to finally play Shadow Complex.
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2015, 12:25:07 AM
Why is it the N64 Conker and not the remake for the original Xbox, live and reloaded, which looked way better?

And was WAY more censored than the N64 Conker, perplexingly.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 16, 2015, 12:57:12 AM
Also, the way they are DOING this BC compatibility raises some serious issues about the Xbone's pitiful storage limitations, even compared to the PS4.

At least the Xbone lets you stick a USB hard drive in, Wii U-style.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on June 16, 2015, 12:59:21 AM
For me what I'm looking for the most in backward compatibility is XBLA stuff, so I probably don't have to worry much about things being held back for remasters. I'd like to finally play Shadow Complex.

Shadow Complex is very good. By the time I finished Axiom Verge I had cooled on it a good bit, has a lame back half. Shadow Complex I thus still regard as one of the only real contenders. Glad it gets to live on.

The only Rare game I've never tried from the modern era and really want to is Blast Corps. I was holding out hope they'd dump that on the VC due to lack of any other outlet. Oh well. I have also dreamed of playing the Battletoads arcade game after seeing it as a kid in the wild but not having any quarters.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 16, 2015, 01:18:23 AM
I've wanted to play Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini for a long time now, and I'm finally going to get the chance, and I'm always up for more Perfect Dark. That collection is a crazy value; Perfect Dark and Banjo Kazooie on XBLA alone cost as much as that whole 30 game thing.
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2015, 01:19:30 AM
On a side note, I forgot to mention it earlier but Recore looks pretty awesome.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 16, 2015, 01:25:08 AM
On a side note, I forgot to mention it earlier but Recore looks pretty awesome.

Yeah! I got a Beyond Good and Evil vibe from it.
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2015, 01:38:29 AM
On a side note, I forgot to mention it earlier but Recore looks pretty awesome.

Yeah! I got a Beyond Good and Evil vibe from it.

I got a definite Enslaved vibe from it. Same for Horizon at Sony's show, for that matter.
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Post by: ejamer on June 16, 2015, 09:43:01 AM
Thanks to several for clarifications about the backwards compatibility stuff. That would have interested me a great deal if it was for all, or even most, 360 games but I'm not impressed with the details I'm hearing. 


Virtual Console on Wii U doesn't let me throw out old consoles because the selection of games is kind of pathetic. It's a nice perk and sometimes very convenient, but certainly not a replacement.  XBone/360 compatibility sounds like the same deal: certainly a nice feature but not really that significant, and certainly not something that makes XBone a 360 replacement system. (Plus there are the added caveats of arriving a bit late and MS having a dubious record of what "compatibility" really means based on 360 results.)


So I'm sticking with the Rare collection being super awesome, and backwards compatibility talk being overrated until proven otherwise.
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Post by: azeke on June 16, 2015, 10:18:39 PM
Gears 1 "Ultimate" Edition and Killer Instinct are coming for PC (Windows 10 exclusives, i am guessing?).

If KI will still be free, there will be no reason not to check it out.

Gears 1 is whatever, unnessary old port is unneccessary.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 16, 2015, 10:28:59 PM
Sony won this year. Microsoft did pretty well though. Hololens will be awesome, but priced out of practicality.
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2015, 10:49:38 PM
I'm struggling to think of a more boring experience I've had of late than watching this PC "Press Conference." Why'd they label it that? It's NOT a Press Conference! It's a 3 hour Treehouse Live-style thing with guests interviewed by a host, which HAS its place but it's not a press conference.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 16, 2015, 11:00:37 PM
I didn't even know there was a PC section for E3. Turned it on, immediately fell asleep.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 16, 2015, 11:04:28 PM
If KI will still be free, there will be no reason not to check it out.

Free, and if you did buy any content on Xbone it'll carry to the PC.

[ S-U-P-E-R intensifies ]
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2015, 11:21:38 PM
OK, full credit to Jim Sterling, but this clip really does sum up this PC Press Conference:

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 16, 2015, 11:23:37 PM
Sony won this year. Microsoft did pretty well though. Hololens will be awesome, but priced out of practicality.

I dunno, I'd give it to Microsoft. Sony had bombshell announcements, but they were mostly things I don't care about (FF VII, Last Guardian), and things that are years away.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 04, 2015, 07:37:29 AM
Got my Xbox One yesterday. So far I really prefer the Dual Shock 4 to this controller, but that may just be being more used to it.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 04, 2015, 09:55:43 AM
I think the Xbone Controller is better for the most part, but the menu and snap button or whatever the other button is are oddly placed and their functionality is inconsistent.
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Post by: azeke on August 04, 2015, 11:10:33 AM
Watching Microsoft conference.

Scalebound being an RPG is a disappointment of a year for me. It looks like a Dragon's Dogma only with one huge dragon instead of several pawns that you give commands to.

Because of it's RPG nature combat will be designed more with grinding in mind instead of player's skill and fast reactions. And having a cop-op will compromise it even more.

Quantum Break and eleven other announced first and third- person shooters look underwhelming, slow and boring just like all shooters. They had the chance to learn something from Vanquish in how to do fast shooter with time mechanic but instead they did generic shooter with time slowdown that makes sure you are invincible at all times.

Pretty sure they had Prince of Persia-looking character in the opening montage, hopefully it will be announced later -- show is not over yet...

Just Cause 3 looks great, but that's gonna be on PC.
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Post by: broodwars on August 04, 2015, 12:18:33 PM
Yeah, this Gamescom presentation did absolutely nothing for me overall. Quantum Break looks even more generic than it did last year, Crackdown 3 looks really weak aside from the destructable building angle, and Scalebound is a re-skinned Final Fantasy 15 w/ a Dragon as your teammate. Couple that with TV, TV, TV, Sports, Sports, Sports, E-Sports, and some REALLY generic shooter action in Homefront 2. Honestly, the only game to come out of this presentation looking better is Tomb Raider, where it's VERY clear folks at Crystal Dynamics have been taking notes from The Last of Us.
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Post by: broodwars on August 04, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
Pretty sure they had Prince of Persia-looking character in the opening montage, hopefully it will be announced later -- show is not over yet...

I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be a pirate from Sea of Thieves, Rare's new game.
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Post by: Enner on August 04, 2015, 09:57:16 PM
I'll be the counter-point here in that I enjoyed the presentation. Scalebound and Crackdown 3 have tipped the scales slightly in Xbox One's favor as I have yet to commit to either a PlayStation 4, Xbox One, or a new PC.

I have yet to be truly tired of the shooty-bang-bang as I thought Quantum Break, Homefront: The Revolution, and other shooters look kinda neat.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 05, 2015, 12:53:42 AM
I finally spent some time with an Xbox One, and played Sunset Overdrive. The game is pretty, I really like the bright colors. I didn't play it long enough to wrap my head around the controls. The controller feels weird. Cheap plastic and too narrow at the top for me. The console UI was crap awful, but I guess they are updating that?
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Post by: Enner on August 05, 2015, 05:05:40 AM
Yeah. The New Xbox Experience dashboard update should come Fall 2015.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on November 10, 2015, 03:54:34 PM
It will depend on how Christmas goes but there is a high probability that I will be getting an Xbox One soon. I am mostly interested in a handful of games but they are not going to be on PS4 so it's worth it now that the price is coming down.
I was planning on getting a new PC for the Windows 10 stuff but I just got a Windows phone so I might pick up the Xbox instead.