Topic: 1up Speaking Up: Us vs Wii

[nemo_83]

the internet is melting

"And the Nintendoods, bless their zealous little souls, have Twistered their minds through the spaghetti logic necessary to explain why the name, in fact, rocks. Left lobe red, right lobe yellow, hey presto -- Wii is genius!"

[Ceric]

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Originally posted by: nemo_83
the internet is melting

"... bless their zealous little souls, ..."

You do know what that means in the south?



Their so Stupid.

[Hostile Creation]

Journalism at its finest.

(He does make some good points, though, from what I read from skimming)

[mantidor]

I remember when 1up, ign, gi, etc were starting to be so positive about Nintendo, now its back to the usual bashing. Maybe the whole thing was so paradoxial (lol invented word) that the name came as a form to return things to their previous stage before the universe was consumed in a cataclysmic event or something.

[IceCold]

Paradoxical?

[Caterkiller]

Mantidor, that article on 1up isn't very bashy towards Nintendo. I expected them to say something along the lines of "No one in America will buy the Wii because of its stupid name." But instead it is more like "People in America will still buy the Wii even with its stupid name."

I have been talking about the Wii quite a bit today. And the only people who really seem to have a hard time with it are the hard core gamers. The people who play games every now and then, as well as the people who don't, just really don't care. I keep hearing "it sounds like an herbal tea" and just about no pee jokes. Im pretty cool with the name now, I was only slightly annoyed from the get go, but now I just think "who cares?"

[Smash_Brother]

I hope this guy is right, but to just about every American I've ever known in my life, things like name DO matter when it comes to buying a product.

[nemo_83]

What happened is Nintendo had a lot of momentum going with gamers, the media, and developers.  People within the industry were becoming hyped about Nintendo's E3 conferance, gasp.  And Nintendo took the wind out of their sails on purpose a week before E3 (admitting they wanted to let the fans vent), and everyone with a drop of common sense is like, double-u-tee-eff.

1up is pointing out that they feel sorry for the fans trying to rationalize that the name is not only not negative but genius.  

What it all means is the average gamer may not pick up Nintendo's console because of its absurd name, that ultimately translates to a smaller install base and less third party support.  That not only means fewer games but ghetto ports.  That is why the name does matter to me.  It will not stop me from buying it, but it will stop me from asking someone if they want to play it.  Noone wants to hear the words, "want to play with my Wii?"  I'm just going to call it the Nintendo.  

[Dasmos]

I don't think I have ever asked. "Do you want to play GameCube?" I have always asked if people want to "play Nintendo."

Also, I think you just contradicted yourself, "But it will stop me from asking someone if they want to play it. Noone wants to hear the words, "want to play with my Wii?""
But then you said
"I'm just going to call it the Nintendo."
Are you afraid of asking people to play Nintendo?  

[wandering]

Ah, so everybody who likes the name is twisting their brains up... but everyone who doesn't like the name but has come to dissapointedly accept it, like they have, is rational. Because the name is objectively bad. Thanks for clearing that up, 1up!  

[nemo_83]

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Originally posted by: Dasmos
I don't think I have ever asked. "Do you want to play GameCube?" I have always asked if people want to "play Nintendo."

Also, I think you just contradicted yourself, "But it will stop me from asking someone if they want to play it. Noone wants to hear the words, "want to play with my Wii?""
But then you said
"I'm just going to call it the Nintendo."
Are you afraid of asking people to play Nintendo?

I was just writing it too fast, sorry I was incoherrent.  I'm saying I'm not going to call it Wii; I won't be asking people to play with the Wii.  Instead I'm going to refer to it as the Nintendo and hope Nintendo doesn't plaster Wii in huge font all over the console.  

I have a huge problem with the name because video games already have a major image problem.  One of my uncles already called it the f**k stick before the name Wii was announced.  The name helps the industry none in getting those types of non gamers to pick up the controller and give it a try.  And it is just embarrassing, if girls are over and they see it they are going to laugh and make jokes (even worse than the toyish looking GCN).  

[Strell]

Well your uncle certainly sounds like an open minded, enlightened individual to judge the entire gaming industry on.

I mean, f*ck stick!  Gosh!  I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT PHRASE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE BEFORE.  I COMMEND YOUR UNCLE'S ABILITY TO MAKE UP STRONG, THOUGHT PROVOKING PHRASES.

I feel ashamed by such words!  Ashamed at playing games!

IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME I BELIEVE I WILL GO COWER IN MY BEDROOM NOW.  FILTHY, DIRTY GAMER.  

[Zach]

Well, they're right in the sense that people aren't going to not buy just because it is called the Wii.   What I am worried about is that the name could hurt sales in a more indirect way.   We all know of the tiku tiku tiku!  image that nintendo has, well if the name backfires, then it could make that image worse, which would hurt nintendo.  I am getting accustomed to the name, but Nintendo really needs to know how to market it, which, sadly nintendo is not famous for their marketing.

[mantidor]

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Originally posted by: wandering
Ah, so everybody who likes the name is twisting their brains up... but everyone who doesn't like the name but has come to dissapointedly accept it, like they have, is rational. Because the name is objectively bad. Thanks for clearing that up, 1up!

what do you like about the name?

[MysticGohan]

It's kinda Edgy, you could have fun on the name alone, think how fun the games will be in compairison.

There's been worse names just think of wii as "we" and not "wee wee" the urine jokes have been done to death, even before wii

[stevey]

Wii dont have to be bad for Nintendo, they should just start selling it like this - If you dont like the name Wii RIP OFF YOUR HEAD AND Wii DOWN YOUR THROAT!! SO SAYS THE GREAT REGGIE!!:fires shotgun:    

[Strell]

Reggie has no need for shotguns.  He has laser vision.

[Hostile Creation]

I don't understand people saying "Wanna go play with the Wii" or "my wii".  I always said "Let's go play Gamecube", not the gamecube, and I imagine I'll be saying "Let's go play Wii", not "Let's play with my Wii LOL" and my friends would all be like "why'd you just say lol out loud"

[nemo_83]

I've always thought revolution described what Nintendo's next console was about

"What next generation really needs is depthening the gameplay experience. I want free standard online gaming. I believe the controller should become better at simulating our wants in the game. I would suggest a controller that is not only conforming and angled to fit the hands but also does more than any controller has ever done. A screen could become standard just as joysticks have. The left side of the pad would be your normal controller with a trigger and a shoulder button. Also a joypad and dpad. The right side should be a flight stick modified and attached to the left side with multiple functioning such as diagonal movements and turning."

"The camera used with the PS2 has given me lots of ideas for controlling basically any game with combat using the hands in the game. The system could use the camera in a next gen system to track the movement of the hand without the use of lightgun technology. Imagine detaching the flight joysick from the rest of the controller and it being the tracer point that the camera follows and uses in a game like Zelda or Soul Calibur allowing you to swing the sword. Perhaps this idea would work best if the controller for a proposed next gen game console were actually two controllers (one held in each hand) which the system tracks as the player moves his/her hands for sword swiping or punching or aiming a gun. This two sperate prongs idea could be used to allow for each prong to be used as a joystick with tilt technology giving the gamer two flight sticks instead of a camera tracing technology. What do you guys prefer?"

"Instead of hair and grass effects in games we will get dvd recorders. Instead of improved controllers we will get outrageous harddrives for what? MP3s? Pirating games? Cutting out the middle man and rentals with free demos for download instantly. Downloading old 2d games legally from say Nintendo or Sega?

The industry needs another revolution that can change the way we play not what we play on the machine."

-2003

[wandering]

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what do you like about the name?

I like weird names.

[eljefe]

cryptic nemo, cryptic

esprcially the responses, "Nintendo will never do that!.."

[The Omen]

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"What next generation really needs is depthening the gameplay experience. I want free standard online gaming. I believe the controller should become better at simulating our wants in the game. I would suggest a controller that is not only conforming and angled to fit the hands but also does more than any controller has ever done. A screen could become standard just as joysticks have. The left side of the pad would be your normal controller with a trigger and a shoulder button. Also a joypad and dpad. The right side should be a flight stick modified and attached to the left side with multiple functioning such as diagonal movements and turning."

"The camera used with the PS2 has given me lots of ideas for controlling basically any game with combat using the hands in the game. The system could use the camera in a next gen system to track the movement of the hand without the use of lightgun technology. Imagine detaching the flight joysick from the rest of the controller and it being the tracer point that the camera follows and uses in a game like Zelda or Soul Calibur allowing you to swing the sword. Perhaps this idea would work best if the controller for a proposed next gen game console were actually two controllers (one held in each hand) which the system tracks as the player moves his/her hands for sword swiping or punching or aiming a gun. This two sperate prongs idea could be used to allow for each prong to be used as a joystick with tilt technology giving the gamer two flight sticks instead of a camera tracing technology. What do you guys prefer?"

"Instead of hair and grass effects in games we will get dvd recorders. Instead of improved controllers we will get outrageous harddrives for what? MP3s? Pirating games? Cutting out the middle man and rentals with free demos for download instantly. Downloading old 2d games legally from say Nintendo or Sega?

The industry needs another revolution that can change the way we play not what we play on the machine."

-2003

And Nemo wins the biggest narcissist award!

[eljefe]

your telling me

if you had made all those predictions

and THEY CAME TRUE

you wouldn"t do the same thing?

It was rather narcissistic, but I would"ve done the same thing.

[IceCold]

Nemo: I've said this before, but I commend you, Requiem and the rest who made concepts of the controller before it was revealed.. very good.

Incidentally, I remember Requiem (Don'tHate) also wanting recognition afterwards

[wandering]

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And Nemo wins the biggest narcissist award!

What? I'm a MUCH bigger narcissist than Nemo, give the award to me!