Topic: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*

[Smoke39]

Didn't Miyamoto or Aonuma say in an interview once that they experimented with first person sword combat in TP at one point?

[Adrock]

Or how about a spinoff where you play as Link?

A spinoff doesn't need to imply a drastic change of cast, but a change in perspective from what is expected from the main series...Just like the Four Swords games and Link's Crossbow Training are considered spinoffs because the game is played differently...

I'm aware of the nature of spin-offs so I don't need an explanation from you. I was only offering suggestions........

Still, why not just make a new IP?

And I'd say the only reason Miyamoto is suddenly interested in First Person Shooters is because 3rd parties aren't taking the Wii seriously as a console for "hardcore" gaming and the FPS, a "hardcore" gamer's genre, are more or less the best and easiest way to showcase the Wii remotes abilities. Makes sense to me anyway.....

[UltimatePartyBear]

I remember Miyamoto expressing interest in FPSes on Wii way back before it even launched.  He may indeed be disappointed by the relative lack of them coming from third parties so far.

Maybe he's making Retro make Geist 2, and that's why those guys quit. 

[Bill Aurion]

Still, why not just make a new IP?

This is Nintendo...Miyamoto especially is fond of using Nintendo characters with new gameplay formulas, as we all know, for better or for worse (Personally, I don't think Mario Galaxy would have been any better if it started a new original cast...)

And I'd say the only reason Miyamoto is suddenly interested in First Person Shooters is because 3rd parties aren't taking the Wii seriously as a console for "hardcore" gaming and the FPS, a "hardcore" gamer's genre, are more or less the best and easiest way to showcase the Wii remotes abilities. Makes sense to me anyway.....

Point taken, but I don't really understand why he would specifically mention the Japanese...I don't believe slightly improved Japanese sales of western FPSers would make that much of an effect on 3rd party support of the Wii...The only thing I personally think would cause Miyamoto to make a statement like this is if Nintendo itself was preparing a big internal FPS themselves...

Maybe he's making Retro make Geist 2, and that's why those guys quit. 

Hey, if I were told to make Geist 2 I'd be all over it... =(

[Deguello]

If Super Mario Galaxy were an original IP, it would have been Dale's Planet Jumper Deluxe and sold three hundred copies, all to one Kiwanis Club in Marietta, GA.

Those that clamored for original IP would have ignored it, wondering "where the hell Mario is?" or asking "Why does Nintendo rely on franchises so much?"  The same thing happened with the GBA and also somehow the DS still gets this charge lobbied at it from time to time.  People like Ian Sane moan for Original IP lament franchises, and then proceed to not show interest when Original IP shows up, in favor of more moaning for original IP and lamenting franchises.

It's a cycle that's easy to see if you simply read old forums posts.

[Adrock]

Personally, I don't think Mario Galaxy would have been any better if it started a new original cast...

Galaxy also wasn't a spin-off. I'm not opposed to Nintendo releasing main series games. Spin offs just seem pointless to me because that spin-off could have been an original IP.

Point taken, but I don't really understand why he would specifically mention the Japanese...I don't believe slightly improved Japanese sales of western FPSers would make that much of an effect on 3rd party support of the Wii...The only thing I personally think would cause Miyamoto to make a statement like this is if Nintendo itself was preparing a big internal FPS themselves...

Well, I would imagine that Miyamoto is hoping for more than "slightly improved Japanese sales of western FPSers." The success of more "hardcore" games of any genre would encourage Japanese 3rd parties to make more "hardcore" Wii games. FPS games just happen to be the perfect fit for the Wii.

[animecyberrat]

What if those guys who left all end up at Rare and turn the company around. Just a random thought.

[Bill Aurion]

Rare's problem was management, not the actual development (they kept and still keep missing milestones), so they wouldn't make any difference... =)

[ShyGuy]

I think the ex-Retro peoples see that the freedom of WiiWare is the future. GIVE US A HARD DRIVE NINTENDO.

[Chozo Ghost]

Retro working on Kid Icarus doesn't make much sense either. I thought they wanted to work on something different. If they get Kid Icarus, Nintendo has basically just relegated them to the status of revival house. Might as well give them Star Tropics and Radar Scope while they're at it......

Nintendo shouldn't "waste" Retro on older franchises. I want a sequel to Kid Icarus, but I also want an original title from Retro. Conundrum! Nintendo could always nurture a new team like they did with Retro and give them Kid Icarus. At least we can rest easier knowing that Nintendo won't let thier old franchises crash and burn under a new developer since there's precedence for them not doing that.

In all seriousness, I always thought the name "Retro" represented the purpose of the studio; which is to re-make old games,,, doesn't the word Retro literally mean to bring old stuff back to the forefront? I always thought it did, but I could be wrong. Anyways, I thought that's why they were behind Metroid and the rumors they are involved in Kid Icarus.

[Adrock]

So the cocktease Kid Icarus Wii rumors are back, this time with some proposed artwork.... ironically showing Pit as a man... Kid Icarus featuring Pit as a man..... one of which clearly looks inspired by God of War.

Seriously, are the people who make up thse rumors even trying anymore?

[Bill Aurion]

If you want to get technical, the art is not supposed to represent what the game will look like if it exists...(Concept art first shown when Factor 5 supposedly brought their idea to Nintendo...)

(And frankly, excluding Pit's appearance from Brawl, I think Ninty could do whatever they want with Kid Icarus, even as far as making him an adult...as long as it's good! =D)

[Crimm]

Those images are fake.  I assure you 100% there is not one iota of reality around them.

All the signs are there, but only one needs to be pointed out:

A generic gaming blog (not even a major one) got ahold of classified artwork shared between two secretive companies and are now being linked to left and right.

Can you say "HEY!  LOOK AT US!"? Kombo sure did!

[Nick DiMola]

Those images are fake.  I assure you 100% there is not one iota of reality around them.

All the signs are there, but only one needs to be pointed out:

A generic gaming blog (not even a major one) got ahold of classified artwork shared between two secretive companies and are now being linked to left and right.

Can you say "HEY!  LOOK AT US!"? Kombo sure did!

QFT. I don't have a problem with any of the art if it was true, but come on! There is no damn way these guys got a hold of something this massive.

[vudu]

Can someone link to the artwork for those of us too lazy to find it ourselves?

[Bill Aurion]

Looks like I have to play Defense Force even though I don't really care...I just find the reasons for it "being fake" silly...A small site getting "a massive story"?  It's concept art that sounds like it's nothing like what the game would look like...

Small sites and random GameFaqs people get a hold of information all the time, unless people have already forgotten Brawl...As for AMN (Kombo), the one major news story that I can recall is when they said that Silicon Knights was having issues with the UE3 engine, and SK denied it, and they were called out for making news up...And we all know what happened with that, right?  Not to mention that AMN has been claiming Factor 5 has been working on Kid Icarus for quite a while now, long before IGN started doing it, so it's not like they are just riding the coattails of another site's rumours...

Of course, I'm sure if the game does turn out to exist many will claim it to be coincidence, but eh, whatever...

Here you go, vudu...

[Adrock]

There was no doubt in my mind that those images were fake. I was just commenting on how poorly constructed the rumor was.

[vudu]

Some of those images look like they're straight out of Eternity's Child.

[RedBlue]

I loved the photoshop wings on the dude those are some skills.

[Crimm]

I'm sorry, these are clearly fake.

[Deep-Six]

I'd bet my Wii that thoes are indeed real and here's why, IGN whe seems to know alot about the game (more then we know anyway) were talking about it in there newest podcast.  First Matt says its one of his top three most wanted Wii games and says that whoever working on the game will make it look "pretty"  Then later on he talks about Facter 5 and says they are working on one of the titles Matt mentioned in his top 3.  Basecally its pretty obvious that a new Kidd Icarus is coming and from IGN's clues its being made by Factor 5.  Part of the rumer with the art states that Facter 5 has a part in the game and if that part is true I beleve the Concept art is also.  Plus, with Factor 5 having made Lair, I'm sure they're pretty willing to to stay with the midevil/Fanticy theam.

[Luigi Dude]

Well here's another rumor that could actually be true.  The rumor is that Platinum Games, a studio that's made of former Clover employee's has struck a deal with Sega to publish 3 of their games.  According to this rumor, one of these games is a title called MadWorld that will be for the Wii.  It's supposed to be a stylish ultra violent game from the description.

http://kotaku.com/5008698/sega-and-platinum-games-join-forces

[Bill Aurion]

That seems like a crazy jump from Okami to "MadWorld"... =(

Gimme another beautiful epic!

[vudu]

That seems like a crazy jump from Okami to "MadWorld"... =(

Wouldn't it be a logical progression from God Hand to MadWorld? 

[DAaaMan64]

As long as it has nothing to do with the Gary Joules song, bring it on.