Live isn't doing as well as MS would have you believe. I'm sure it's doing okay, but I seem to remember some serious questions regarding the numbers being released by MS. If you enjoy it , good. My argument was if PS2 and GC were online with EA sports, and xbox not, it would hurt xbox. I do not game online. I was merely speaking in terms of Nintendo gaining some switchover fans. Obviously, if GC isn't online, then it's a moot point. However, I seem to remember around the release of MADDEN 2003, EA stating that all versions for '04 would be online. So now that they dropped out of Live support, I took that as the other 2 systems are still going online. And of course, this could all change tomorrow, but thats how it stands right now. God forbid I mention the x Box in a negative light (albeit, barely negative).