Author Topic: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Read 43314 times)

NotSoStu · « **on:** September 18, 2005, 08:28:24 AM »

All I can say after watching the trailer is: Holy scheisse. I might have to break my tradition of only buying Nintendo consoles/handhelds for that game. And Kojima proved it was in real-time, too.

(Please note that I've only played MGS:TTS. I'm a bad, bad person.)

odifiend · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2005, 09:13:20 AM »

Yeah, looks pretty amazing. I was under the impression from the E3(?) video that Snake would be the main character. But that looks like Big Boss to me.

NotSoStu · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2005, 09:18:24 AM »

Well, it's definitely Snake. The thing on his eye isn't an eyepatch, it's a little infra-red scanner radar thinger. Also, Otacon is in it, and he refers to Big Boss/Solid Snake as Snake. So it's pretty much assumable that this is Solid Snake. The reason he looks so much older than Otacon is because all of Big Boss's sons have accelerated aging.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2005, 09:26:49 AM »

I remember reading somewhere that you play as SOLIDUS snake. And that looks pretty impressive, I was already planning to buy a Rev first and then a PS3 sometime down the road. Also this is Kojima's last MGS game.

stevey · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2005, 09:40:05 AM »

wtf I saw vidio and they turn mgs from a great game to a run of the mill fps witch are rated on how good looking it is and has zero fun in it.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2005, 10:01:58 AM »

not fps. mgs

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2005, 10:22:55 AM »

Umm stevey if you have an active braincell in your blind nintendo fanboy brain you should know the MGS 3.5 changes the camera perspective to 3rd instead of over view. Also as much as I love nintendo you do know there are other great products from its competition and other great games that companies offer to those consoles. But dont get me wrong Nintendo consoles have always been my primary console and Sony's consoles have always been secondary consoles to me. I never liked the Xbox and I wont like the Xbox360.

NotSoStu · « **Reply #7 on:** September 18, 2005, 10:24:25 AM »

Stevey... Watch the rest of the video. Kojima is tricking you.

mantidor · « **Reply #8 on:** September 18, 2005, 11:30:45 AM »

It just makes the franchise more of a movie... sorry, but I think MGS is too "cinematic" of a game for me to like it. In stealth games Thief beats MGS any time imo.

Renny · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:39:35 PM »

Thief bests MGS for stealth. But MGS is a tactical espionage pasteurized isometrical action shoot-'em. ;¬] Stu, you should give MGS3 a try. I dismissed it when I first learned about it (MGS in the jungle???//), but they really pulled it off. The graphics are great, despite being fairly 'PS2'. And the pacing is good, even with the extended--but not absurd--cutscenes. The exception being one very trying section riddled with load screens, which almost brought the game down for me. Then the end more than redeemed that part. You might want to wait for Subsistence if you're into the online thing, or if you need the free-moving camera.

IceCold · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2005, 02:05:47 PM »

Are you talking about the screens? Because I don't see any trailer there.

Artimus · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2005, 02:44:27 PM »

I have MGS: TTS...I need to finish it someday.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 18, 2005, 04:44:50 PM »

I think it looks incredible. I've never had another company's system and I doubt I'll get the PS3, but to think that the graphics could* really look like that, that's just amazing.

*I still have to see someone actually playing the game to be convinced that it really looks like that in motion, because I just can't believe that right now.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #13 on:** September 18, 2005, 05:17:06 PM »

It looks nice, and I might get a PS3, but it won't be for that game alone.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #14 on:** September 18, 2005, 07:18:17 PM »

kenny -- i havent seen the vid, but if there's one man i'd trust to show ingame footage, it'd be kojima

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #15 on:** September 18, 2005, 07:31:23 PM »

It's in-game but I'm not so impressed.

It doesn't look like a huge jump up graphically from MGS3. They've bastardized the metal gears, aged Snake to the point of drugs being needed and given him an annoying sidekick. I don't feel like playing with a coughing drug addict.

But who am I kidding, I'll find a way to play this somehow.

Galford, yeah I heard, that doesn't make him less annoying though.

Galford · « **Reply #16 on:** September 18, 2005, 08:01:06 PM »

Paladin do you know who Snake's new robotic sidekick is?

He has appeared in other Kojima games...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #17 on:** September 18, 2005, 08:56:21 PM »

From what I've heard the trailer has absolutely no visible polygons. If that's a trick or prerendered remains to be seen.

theRPGFreak · « **Reply #18 on:** September 18, 2005, 11:15:30 PM »

Looked amazing. I sure hope Otocon's statment on the cell processor isnt true though

NotSoStu · « **Reply #19 on:** September 19, 2005, 04:50:27 AM »

Well, as for MGS2+3, I admit that I really would like to play them. But it's just hard for me to give up my virginity to non-Nintendo systems. And anyway, I'm not exactly in the position to spend any money.... I need to save up to get a new graphics card so that I can play Oblivion on my computer!

As for polygons, I'll take a look at that.

And as for bastardizing METAL GEAR?!, believe it or not, these new Metal Gear models aren't new. I know for a fact that Metal Gear MkII was in Konami's Snatcher.

boggy b · « **Reply #20 on:** September 22, 2005, 08:48:03 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
From what I've heard the trailer has absolutely no visible polygons. If that's a trick or prerendered remains to be seen.

No visible polygons is a bit of an exaggeration. Perhaps on the lower quality feeds you couldn't make them out, but if you look at the hi-res screenshots you can see them pretty clearly. The video was definitely real-time, they manipulated it via a Dual Shock attached to the dev-kit it was running on.

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Originally posted by: theRPGfreak
Looked amazing. I sure hope Otocon's statment on the cell processor isnt true though

Kojima is notorious for breaking the 'fourth wall'. At the end of the MGS2, characters in the game instructed you to turn the PS2 off and the MGS3 trailers had a GTA parody. That was just Kojima's quirky sense of humour.

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Originally posted by: Stu L Tissimus
Well, as for MGS2+3, I admit that I really would like to play them. But it's just hard for me to give up my virginity to non-Nintendo systems. And anyway, I'm not exactly in the position to spend any money.... I need to save up to get a new graphics card so that I can play Oblivion on my computer!

As for polygons, I'll take a look at that.

And as for bastardizing METAL GEAR?!, believe it or not, these new Metal Gear models aren't new. I know for a fact that Metal Gear MkII was in Konami's Snatcher.

MGS2+3 are absolutely essential playing. MGS3 is one of the best games of the current console generation.

Well done for noticing Metal Gear MkII, Kojima said himself during the TGS demo that they were indeed from Snatcher, which was another one of his games.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #21 on:** September 22, 2005, 10:10:27 PM »

Yeah, they became visible on the very high quality feeds.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #22 on:** September 22, 2005, 11:14:51 PM »

Alright look, I know it's from another game but I don't care, it's a bastardized Metal Gear.

I'm going to play this game anyway, but just let me have my nitpicks.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #23 on:** September 23, 2005, 05:53:17 AM »

I'd love to play a MGS game to experience the story but I don't think I'd see much of the story when I give up after five minutes of playing.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #24 on:** September 23, 2005, 09:46:10 AM »

I find that too often story games are way too much story and not enough game. Metal Gear Solid is like this. Once I finally get the hang of the game, and its pacing the game is over. I would rather have longer more enjoyable games from gameplay then story.

And although Metal Gear Solid is a great series it takes so much time to jump into and play, it is almost too much work to enjoy.

WesDawg · « **Reply #25 on:** September 23, 2005, 12:58:59 PM »

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It looks nice, and I might get a PS3, but it won't be for that game alone.

It's not ingame, but its real-time. So they don't show what it will be like to play it, just what a real-time rendered cutscene might look like, which is really pretty. The ingame stuff I'm sure will look great, but I have a feeling that it will also look a lot like MGS3 with higher-res models and textures. Afterall, they can't zoom in to show you the logos on Snake's outfit every 30seconds during gameplay, so in the end, who really cares that they're there?

pudu · « **Reply #26 on:** September 23, 2005, 08:55:29 PM »

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Originally posted by: WesDawg
Afterall, they can't zoom in to show you the logos on Snake's outfit every 30seconds during gameplay, so in the end, who really cares that they're there?

Hmm there are a few reasons why a very detailed character would be great in a MGS game. HD resolutions will allow for more details like this to be seen even if the camera isn't actually zoomed right up on the character. Also, with MGS games (from what I know because I'm no expert) there is quite a few cutscenes focusing on the main character and when you are peeking around a corner the camera is zoomed right up on the character.

Renny · « **Reply #27 on:** May 12, 2006, 10:04:48 AM »

Resurrecting this thread as the new trailer is damn fine. Link to low-res (but 100MB) trailer. Raiden's looking sassy as ever. Who knows when I'll have access to a PS3 to play this game. It's the only game Sony has that's any worth to me, and it's the only game that is really justified within the "HD generation." Absolutely beautiful.

Anyone have a high-res version? (PM if you have to.) Thanks.

Artimus · « **Reply #28 on:** May 12, 2006, 10:44:02 AM »

These games are just too much watching for me to enjoy.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #29 on:** May 13, 2006, 11:12:27 AM »

Wii Ping Pong FTW

Hocotate · « **Reply #30 on:** May 17, 2006, 12:20:01 AM »

This is the best looking game I've seen so far as graphics go. I'm a MGS fan, but I don't think its enough to make me buy a PS3.

wandering · « **Reply #31 on:** May 17, 2006, 12:28:46 AM »

I'll wait for the Nintendo port from Silicon Knights...

mantidor · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2006, 05:57:12 AM »

Technically speaking the graphics are really good, but I find them so unapealling for some reason... maybe is the overall "greenish" tone of the game, kind of like the "brownish" tone of RE4.

As for the game itself, I was bored to death with Metal Gear Solid, am I an evil man? I couldnt like it, and I like a lot stealth gameplay, Thief is my favorite first person game on PC, but while playing Metal Gear Solid I had to drop it because I couldnt stand it.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2006, 06:30:23 PM »

Mantidor, I have to agree, I too have grown tired for the MGS series. I tried to play MGS3 but couldn't get into it, it is like I am playing the exact same game but with a different story and more endless cutscenes.

dack25 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 01, 2006, 11:09:38 AM »

I'm looking forward to MGS4 but I'll probably wait until they come out with the deluxe version of the game since the PS3 might be cheaper by then.

Renny · « **Reply #35 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:13:35 PM »

True dat. Higher-res download at GameTrailers.

Mashiro · « **Reply #36 on:** July 25, 2007, 08:36:39 AM »

So I just saw the gameplay footage from the 20th anniversary metal gear event.

(Click here to view).

Holy mother of god what boring footage. Sorry I mean I liked Metal Gear and all and the graphics look really nice but . . . it just looks so dull. Also Snake seems to like grabbing mens privates X_X.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #37 on:** July 25, 2007, 08:42:36 AM »

Hey, it's Metal Gear, what did you expect? =3

Kairon · « **Reply #38 on:** July 25, 2007, 09:56:49 AM »

I don't know what you fanbois are talking about, the game looks absolutely amazing. The UI seems to be very well thought out, particularly the grenade guides and the one-button-camo, not to mention absolutely gorgeous, given the way that circle that I suppose denotes Snake's environment, given how that's an actual animated, textured feature, one that manages to not break your emersion while still maintaining a level of game-necessary abstraction.

The game's set-up (the rise of privatized, contracted, militaries for nations to hire) is genius, especially with the middle eastern setting. I'll admit that I didn't think so at first, but it's warmed to me exceedingly fast. The setting is incredibly relevant and, especially for US players, brings up a real subconscious moral delimma over which side to help: the western forces or the out-gunned, non-professional, home-town militia, who also lack the eerily artificial and eerily inhuman automated systems that the PMCs have.

... I actually wish somebody made an exact clone of this game for the Wii. Except with vastly downgraded graphics. Although the graphics help really sky rocket this game into an immersive, near-cinematic experience (which I grudgingly admit seems to succeed here), the gameplay systems that trailer showed aren't dependent at all on graphics, the game seems to have lots of work put solidly in design.

Ghisy · « **Reply #39 on:** July 25, 2007, 10:06:17 AM »

I watched that footage as well and it's fine.
I mean, graphically, it's not that revolutionary or anything (heck, some 360 games look much better) and the gameplay is classic MGS, except for a few new moves.
If I ever get a PS3, I'll probably get this game but it's no killer-app to me that I would buy the system for.

Mashiro · « **Reply #40 on:** July 25, 2007, 10:07:17 AM »

Yeah the graphics looked beautiful but I dunno, like his shoes don't change with the ground. It makes the AI seem dumb. Also how would you not notice him in the corner in that one scene? He didn't look like he was blending in.

I dunno good concepts but it didn't seem all too believable.

Some of the AI seemed like it needs work IMHO.

Also I couldn't help but think of Peppy Hare saying "DO A BARREL ROLL!" when Snake . . . well barrel rolled.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #41 on:** July 25, 2007, 10:22:52 AM »

"Yeah the graphics looked beautiful but I dunno, like his shoes don't change with the ground. It makes the AI seem dumb."

Ahaha..."I don't recall leaving a pair of shoes here...Oh well..."

Ceric · « **Reply #42 on:** July 25, 2007, 10:28:16 AM »

On the newest trailer on PSN they talk about Liquid Snake needing killed and you have Solid Snake going to kill him but he can barely move in a war zone. The man looks like he's a threat to no one. Delay their plans a month and Snakes out of the equation.

Mashiro · « **Reply #43 on:** July 25, 2007, 10:45:26 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
On the newest trailer on PSN they talk about Liquid Snake needing killed and you have Solid Snake going to kill him but he can barely move in a war zone. The man looks like he's a threat to know one. Delay their plans a month and Snakes out of the equation.

o_O

tiamat1990 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 26, 2007, 08:31:29 PM »

I didn't like a lot of what I saw, I pretty much drooled over the past three Metal Gear Solid games but this one...I'm hoping that all the problems I saw was due to it being an early build.

Ceric · « **Reply #45 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:41:28 AM »

They have new Gameplay Trailer up. It looks interesting but as I mentioned early I still don't see the point.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #46 on:** July 27, 2007, 06:53:54 AM »

Yes, this game will single handedly save the PS3 from failure. Weeks before it comes out there will be a great rumbling among the game reviewers, as if a great storm is approaching the shore; a great whale lunges toward the ship at the upmost speed. It will hit with a resounding smash and none will be prepared for it even within the journalistic community. Within weeks it will be declared as the finest work of videogames that has ever been created. Within months, modern art. Within time, all art. This will be a game never to be forgotten, because how could something such as this ever be forgotten?

That is what they will scream from their balconies as they take their lives because there is no more left for them in this world. There is no life and death without MGS4. MGS4 is all. And when it ends, they will be hollow and empty, mere husts of mortal flesh waiting to rot into the incumbent ground. Your flesh burns, do you hear me? There is nothing left for you once you have finished MGS4. There will be no sequel. Because nothing will matter once its conclusion is reached. Those that do not replay it will immediately fall lifeless to the floor. Their pathetic, meaningless existances ushered to a higher plane by something of true value and worth.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #47 on:** July 27, 2007, 07:06:45 AM »

So, yeah, but does it have loli?

Kairon · « **Reply #48 on:** July 27, 2007, 07:21:23 AM »

Two things will survive the MGS4 armageddon: Cockroaches and Lolis.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #49 on:** July 27, 2007, 08:56:34 AM »

Sat thru the 15 minutes of lameness.

Enemy AI hasn't evolved [still dumb, still blind] yet they continue to make Snake even more capable/playable/advantageous, yet not as exciting as he is in cutscenes.

The FPS style gameplay looks typical and manageable [nice to see Kojima is still a generation late as far as controls go; dual-analoging last gen, and first-person aiming in an adventure game in Zelda64 a generation before] and should prove to be wildly empowering since enemies are inept.

Gamers need trajectory guidelines for grenades now? What is this, 3D Action Billiards for MS-DOS? Oh right, people were spoiled with SOCOM.

I get the impression Wii-version-Leon could clean up that stage in less than 30 seconds.

Ceric · « **Reply #50 on:** July 27, 2007, 09:26:17 AM »

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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
Yes, this game will single handedly save the PS3 from failure. Weeks before it comes out there will be a great rumbling among the game reviewers, as if a great storm is approaching the shore; a great whale lunges toward the ship at the upmost speed. It will hit with a resounding smash and none will be prepared for it even within the journalistic community. Within weeks it will be declared as the finest work of videogames that has ever been created. Within months, modern art. Within time, all art. This will be a game never to be forgotten, because how could something such as this ever be forgotten?

That is what they will scream from their balconies as they take their lives because there is no more left for them in this world. There is no life and death without MGS4. MGS4 is all. And when it ends, they will be hollow and empty, mere husts of mortal flesh waiting to rot into the incumbent ground. Your flesh burns, do you hear me? There is nothing left for you once you have finished MGS4. There will be no sequel. Because nothing will matter once its conclusion is reached. Those that do not replay it will immediately fall lifeless to the floor. Their pathetic, meaningless existances ushered to a higher plane by something of true value and worth.

Plus the Video proves that Snake is the Micheal Jackson of the 00's.

It take Leon longer then 30 seconds simply because he get lost for that long at least. The place was humongous and I didn't see anything to help guide you. *shrug* I was personally just interested to see the actual game in action. I may play a demo of it but I probably won't get it. Stealth games with old men aren't my thing. Though the Drum part was sort of funny on its own.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #51 on:** July 27, 2007, 12:11:04 PM »

MGS's stealth approach is a sandbox in itself. Snake is highly capable, while enemies are inept. Lots of freedom to play around.

But as far as action goes, there's little danger to you. The aptitude of the opposition just doesn't live up to the detail and tension of the presentation. And that irks me.

IRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRK

Ceric · « **Reply #52 on:** July 27, 2007, 01:04:33 PM »

Agree. It was like Snake was playing with Blind Kids. I mean I know Snake is good but he ain't that good.

Mashiro · « **Reply #53 on:** July 27, 2007, 05:51:32 PM »

MGS People: "Now as you will see snake will blend in with the wall so the guard won't notice him."

Me: "Wait . . . he's just standing in the corner with his back turned how is that blending?"

MGS People: "And see the guard doesn't notice him! Just like it would happen in real life!"

/facepalm

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #54 on:** July 27, 2007, 06:41:37 PM »

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Sat thru the 15 minutes of lameness.

Enemy AI hasn't evolved [still dumb, still blind] yet they continue to make Snake even more capable/playable/advantageous, yet not as exciting as he is in cutscenes.

The FPS style gameplay looks typical and manageable [nice to see Kojima is still a generation late as far as controls go; dual-analoging last gen, and first-person aiming in an adventure game in Zelda64 a generation before] and should prove to be wildly empowering since enemies are inept.

Gamers need trajectory guidelines for grenades now? What is this, 3D Action Billiards for MS-DOS? Oh right, people were spoiled with SOCOM.

I get the impression Wii-version-Leon could clean up that stage in less than 30 seconds.

It seems like the enemies were deliberately made extra blind for the show demo, or he was playing on easy, or something along those lines. If it was a prior MGS, he woulda been spotted for sure.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #55 on:** July 27, 2007, 06:45:06 PM »

THE MAN'S HAIR WAS WHITE AS SNOW

KDR_11k · « **Reply #56 on:** July 27, 2007, 09:27:00 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
MGS People: "Now as you will see snake will blend in with the wall so the guard won't notice him."

Me: "Wait . . . he's just standing in the corner with his back turned how is that blending?"

MGS People: "And see the guard doesn't notice him! Just like it would happen in real life!"

/facepalm

Snake has learned a lesson from Granny Weatherwax.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #57 on:** July 28, 2007, 04:19:08 AM »

Ok, I just watched the gameplay trailer, and you guys are nuts. This game looks incredible. Yes it plays like all the other Metal Gear Solids, but on a much grander scale. But you know what, you are playing a Metal Gear game...it should feel like that series.

I will admit that the camo system seemed a little too easy to exploit, but do you know, it was the first level, and I am sure it will open many different aspects to the game. They were demoing the game and showing everything that can be done. There is no way you will actually have all those weapons or probably all those camo options in the real level.

This will be the first must have game of PS3, but I still question if one game can bring somebody to spend that much money on a system.

Mashiro · « **Reply #58 on:** July 28, 2007, 04:24:41 AM »

My point is Spak Spang for all the stupid hype around this game . . . it didn't show off anything super amazing to me. Yes the graphics look awesome but the AI just comes off as dumb. The demo should have showcased just how essential all these new technological skills are to your survival.

Not "Stand in the corner and a guy wont see you!". Woopie de doo.

Kairon · « **Reply #59 on:** July 28, 2007, 10:22:52 AM »

Yeah, I think we'll agree with you Mashiro that the game shows off very little new to convince skeptical gamers to change their opinion on the series/game. I know even if I had a PS3, I probably wouldn't enjoy the game that much, just like I've never been ace with the RE4 series, I really, really doubt that the actual gameplay of the MGS series holds much appeal for me.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #60 on:** July 30, 2007, 02:05:40 AM »

Mashiro: When you are demoing a game you probably are going to have it on the easiest skill level so you don't worry about dying and can show off everything. Remember he had weapons and items you probably won't have in that level as well.

And he was using special Camo and what not. I always thought the AI in the Metal Gear games was somewhat stupid...but in a way it has to be, because if it is too realistic then it would not be a fun game, it would be too hard.

There are things about the game I could complain about...weapon switching seemed clunky and going into menu systems and such constantly seemed to break up the action, but I am sure that won't be the only means of switching weapons.

Do I think this game deserves all the hype it is getting? No I don't. Do I think this game is going to be an awesome game which will hopefully close out the Metal Gear franchise? Yes I do.

ryancoke · « **Reply #61 on:** July 30, 2007, 07:28:35 AM »

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Sat thru the 15 minutes of lameness.

Enemy AI hasn't evolved [still dumb, still blind] yet they continue to make Snake even more capable/playable/advantageous, yet not as exciting as he is in cutscenes.

The FPS style gameplay looks typical and manageable [nice to see Kojima is still a generation late as far as controls go; dual-analoging last gen, and first-person aiming in an adventure game in Zelda64 a generation before] and should prove to be wildly empowering since enemies are inept.

Gamers need trajectory guidelines for grenades now? What is this, 3D Action Billiards for MS-DOS? Oh right, people were spoiled with SOCOM.

I get the impression Wii-version-Leon could clean up that stage in less than 30 seconds.

Dude you're the most negative person in this entire forum. I have been on here since Wii launch and not once have I ever seen you say something nice about anything. People will post something like "wow, did you see the new trailer for Game-X". A bunch of other users will post about how they also liked the trailer. And then your nugget gets in there saying "you people are all wrong. this game looks lame and you should all change your minds to reflect mine". I can't even call you a Nintendo fanboy because you trash them as much as you trash everybody and everything else. You're more of a 5hit-disturber-fanboy. Try saying something nice and positive, you'll feel better...

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #62 on:** July 30, 2007, 08:27:03 AM »

I'm more negative than Ian? Yikes I've come a long way.

It's your fault for taking me seriously. Stop falling into my traps. Think critically and shrug me off.

Stogi · « **Reply #63 on:** July 30, 2007, 08:37:24 AM »

Wow, I have never heard anyone backlash a PRO post with such angst.

You actually made him speak seriously for once!

ryancoke · « **Reply #64 on:** July 31, 2007, 03:22:32 AM »

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
I'm more negative than Ian? Yikes I've come a long way.

It's your fault for taking me seriously. Stop falling into my traps. Think critically and shrug me off.

LOL! i've also though the same thing about Ian

You guys should have cage match

tiamat1990 · « **Reply #65 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:39:00 PM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Mashiro: When you are demoing a game you probably are going to have it on the easiest skill level so you don't worry about dying and can show off everything. Remember he had weapons and items you probably won't have in that level as well.

And he was using special Camo and what not. I always thought the AI in the Metal Gear games was somewhat stupid...but in a way it has to be, because if it is too realistic then it would not be a fun game, it would be too hard.

There are things about the game I could complain about...weapon switching seemed clunky and going into menu systems and such constantly seemed to break up the action, but I am sure that won't be the only means of switching weapons.

Do I think this game deserves all the hype it is getting? No I don't. Do I think this game is going to be an awesome game which will hopefully close out the Metal Gear franchise? Yes I do.

Octocamo it was called. And while I agree with that statement, the AI is TOO STUPID. I mean for crying out loud you've got a rolling METALLIC barrel coming at you. At one point the soldier actually looked at the rolling barrel and still did nothing. I'm just hoping these are all bugs...

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #66 on:** August 01, 2007, 02:10:22 AM »

I am afraid they probably are not. The Metal Barrel with the guys I think is forgivable, because it lends to the occasional cartoon aspect of the series. But, really that Barrel Roll should have alerted any and every solider in the Area to see what is going on.

And that could of been the case, except he had already taken them all out...or that the game was just on skill level easy.

ryancoke · « **Reply #67 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:02:26 AM »

if it were supposed to be realistic, I don't think snake could pull a giant metal barrel out of his ass either... You guys are right about the AI. They are fairly stupid and/or blind. But hey, if they were smart they wouldn't be bad guys

couchmonkey · « **Reply #68 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:11:14 AM »

I imagine the bad guys were on extra-stupid, I didn't see any reactions at all in the entire video...but maybe they really are that dumb.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #69 on:** August 01, 2007, 06:05:57 AM »

Metal Gear Solid 4: Austin Powers

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #70 on:** May 03, 2008, 11:12:05 PM »

I'm surprised this thread had dug so low considering it's release is creeping up. I was wondering if anyone played Metal Gear Online Beta, I think it's pretty awesome and I like it more than the online feature of Halo 3. The coolest mode in my opinion is Sneaking mission where its read team vs blue team vs snake where the team that kills snake wins.

Kojima put out a new trailer and it's pretty neat considering it has a few surprises two games featured on Nintendo platforms ZOMG! and potentially a interesting game mechanic.

Adrock · « **Reply #71 on:** May 04, 2008, 03:36:31 AM »

I pre-ordered the game so I could get the bonus disc. Mission Accomplished... so now, I can roll that money back onto Wii Fit.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #72 on:** May 04, 2008, 04:10:03 AM »

Did you play the Metal Gear Online beta Adrock??

Adrock · « **Reply #73 on:** May 04, 2008, 05:19:36 AM »

I still don't officially have the internet hooked up, let alone a PS3. I want one. I just need a good enough reason to buy one. That price has to fall a little more because it doesn't matter what games come out for the console, I'm not paying that much money for any console. I'm a huge God of War and Metal Gear fan... I'm just more a fan of saving money.

blackfootsteps · « **Reply #74 on:** May 04, 2008, 05:21:49 AM »

I watched a short video of the online beta and it seemed... clunky. Especially when someone is right behind you and you have to turn around. How does it control?

Dasmos · « **Reply #75 on:** May 04, 2008, 10:22:31 AM »

If this game turns out as amazing it looks, I'll buy a PS3. I'm a major MGS fan and I just can't stand looking at screens and videos knowing that I don't have a PS3.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #76 on:** May 04, 2008, 12:13:40 PM »

Quote from: blackfootsteps on May 04, 2008, 05:21:49 AM

I watched a short video of the online beta and it seemed... clunky. Especially when someone is right behind you and you have to turn around. How does it control?

The controls are clunky but it's so good its basically Metal Gear Solid controls with some minor tweaks the aiming can be done in three ways auto aim(toggled automatically on by default, also the worst of the bunch),over the shoulder(RE4 style), FPS Perspective(toggled), the problem is that games like Halo and Gears of War spoiled people, Metal Gear Online is more realistic than those two, the game also uses a variation of the COD4 level up system except you level up your skills rather than leveling up to gain levels and unlocking features.

Metal Gear Online Starter Set is included with MGS4 and I believe that new maps and probably other features will be Download Content.

blackfootsteps · « **Reply #77 on:** May 04, 2008, 10:25:49 PM »

Interesting. So a more experienced player will receive bonuses to aiming, movement speed etc?

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #78 on:** May 06, 2008, 08:11:39 PM »

Quote from: blackfootsteps on May 04, 2008, 10:25:49 PM

Interesting. So a more experienced player will receive bonuses to aiming, movement speed etc?

Well yes and no because you can pick what skill bonuses you want and they range from movement speed, better lock on, weapon specific recoil reduction, better sniper aiming and so forth. Skill does set a part in how well you do in the match everyone starts with about 2000 points to spend on primary weapon(SMG, riffle, sniper) secondary firearm (pistol variety) and other (gernades, stun/stall gernades, adult magazine), these points can increase or decrease based on the performance of the current match. In the beta to go to level 2 you need 5 hours of gameplay and the better your level will allow you to have more skill slots(note how some higher level skills may take up more than one slot).

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #79 on:** June 08, 2008, 12:20:50 AM »

So I decided that I am going to spring for the MGS4 PS3 Bundle at Walmart and get myself that extra $100 Blu Ray Gift Card they are offering this week (Grab up Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Ratchet and Clank with it).

Seems like a good enough deal and I have become fond of the MGS series as of late so I am highly anticipating Thursday. Anybody else picking this up?

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #80 on:** June 08, 2008, 12:46:30 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Jack on June 08, 2008, 12:20:50 AM

So I decided that I am going to spring for the MGS4 PS3 Bundle at Walmart and get myself that extra $100 Blu Ray Gift Card they are offering this week (Grab up Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Ratchet and Clank with it).

Seems like a good enough deal and I have become fond of the MGS series as of late so I am highly anticipating Thursday. Anybody else picking this up?

Me, all of because of you too.

bustin98 · « **Reply #81 on:** June 08, 2008, 01:17:14 AM »

Yes, I plan on joining the PS3 owners. I'll be at Walmart half the night if I have to.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #82 on:** June 08, 2008, 01:43:35 AM »

Famitsu gave MGS:4 a 40/40, so in 2008 brawl and this got 40/40's. Anyways some walmarts have broken the street date on the 80GB PS3 MGS4 bundle.

Adrock · « **Reply #83 on:** June 08, 2008, 06:26:46 PM »

Famitsu lost some credibility after giving Wind Waker a perfect score. Additionally, Brawl got a perfect score while Super Mario Galaxy got a 38/40. Still an excellent score, however, I just think SMG deserved a perfect score more because while Brawl offered so much more than its predecessor, Galaxy offered something different which I appreciate more. Even if Brawl had 20 more characters/stages, I'd still give SMG a higher score.

Anyway, there's a MGS4 spoiler video on youtube that I couldn't help but watch. Still, it was a slideshow of images and very few of them were major spoilers while others could easily be taken out of context. Apparently, Ocelot is f-ing jacked under the spaghetti western get-up.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #84 on:** June 08, 2008, 08:35:39 PM »

Famitsu doesn't care about "different". It wants more of the same. In higher definition.

Post your MGS4 total installation times here!

Compete for prizes!

Caliban · « **Reply #85 on:** June 08, 2008, 09:10:58 PM »

Mee too, but the only reason I'm getting this bundle is because I can at least get a controller with rumble even though Sony is still too cheap to offer component, or hdmi cables with the system.

The only system I won't have is the PSP. They just have to get rid of that awful analog stick wannabe.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #86 on:** June 09, 2008, 01:26:04 AM »

Wellllllllll, went down to the local Walmart and I actually just came home with my MGS4 PS3!!!! Got the $100 giftcard as well and grabbed up Ratchet & Clank and Ninja Gaiden Sigma with it. Currently posting while I wait for MGS4 to install (10 minutes?!?).

I find it hilarious that they sold me the bundle early. I just told them that I called the store this morning and that they told me they had bundles in the back, sure enough the manager went back and found one for me and sold it off no questions asked. I'll have impressions soon.

Only bummer, no goddamn HDMI cable included, so I'm hijacking my PS2 component cables until my HDMI cable comes in from New Egg on Wednesday.

UPDATE:

So, played MGS4 for a little bit, and even with the component cables running at 1080i, this game is gorgeous. Controls have been refined a bit and take a few minutes to get used to. The game now features free look which makes it feel a lot less constricting; control in general feels smoother than in previous entries. The game starts off with heavy cutscenes (to be expected of an MGS game), but they are thought provoking, foreshadowing and at times funny. Considering the cutscenes are so long I didn't get much hands on play time, but what I did see was fantastic. Not sure where the story is going to go at this point, but the beginning features something interesting that will undoubtedly pique your curiosity if you have played the other entries of the series.

I also checked out Ratchet & Clank and Ninja Gaiden Sigma which were obtained via Giftcard and they were both awesome as well. Looking forward to more PS3 action tomorrow.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #87 on:** June 09, 2008, 03:57:28 AM »

Ratchet and Clank is my favorite PS3 game so far, so hopefully you'll enjoy it too.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #88 on:** June 09, 2008, 07:09:22 AM »

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on June 09, 2008, 03:57:28 AM

Ratchet and Clank is my favorite PS3 game so far, so hopefully you'll enjoy it too.

It seems amazing, even better than the others which I hold in high regard as well.

Caliban · « **Reply #89 on:** June 09, 2008, 08:39:26 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Jack on June 09, 2008, 01:26:04 AM

Only bummer, no goddamn HDMI cable included, so I'm hijacking my PS2 component cables until my HDMI cable comes in from New Egg on Wednesday.

UPDATE:

So, played MGS4 for a little bit, and even with the component cables running at 1080i, this game is gorgeous.

No hdmi cable was to be expected, even I mentioned it on my post.

How come you're playing the game in 1080i, wouldn't 720p be the better choice?

Might I add that you, Mr.Jack, are one lucky bastard for being able to get the system earlier.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #90 on:** June 09, 2008, 09:32:53 AM »

Yeah I guess it just slipped my mind that no HDMI cable was included. I think even worse is that there weren't even component cables. Oh well, not much you can do about that. 720P might look better, I just didn't put much effort into looking at which was better on my TV because I'm ultimately waiting for the 1080P with the HDMI cable.

Yes, yes I am one lucky bastard. Gotta love the clueless Walmart employees in the electronic sections. The other Walmart in my area which I hit first was a definite no go because the guy working there obviously was knowledgeable about the release.

Here are a couple pics for your enjoyment:

Pic #1
Pic #2

Caliban · « **Reply #91 on:** June 09, 2008, 10:01:03 AM »

Component cables do 1080p, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video:

"Component video is capable of carrying signals such as 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p, although many TVs do not support 1080p through component video."

Well actually with that last statement I can assume then that your tv does not support 1080p through component cables.
Although it won't matter much because MGS4 is 720p native.
By the way I think that you are better off running the game at 720p, but then again if the game is only running at 30fps in average you won't notice much difference but the sharpness that 1080i does not have compared to 720p.
Where's Pro666 when you need him *sigh*, as he can offer you much better technical answers.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #92 on:** June 09, 2008, 10:36:33 AM »

Protip: PS3 does not automatically upscale to your desired resolution like the 360 forcefully does, if you want the game to run in it's intended resolution(s) check off all the resolutions your TV can handle via the PS3 settings.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #93 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:49:06 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Jack on June 08, 2008, 12:20:50 AM

So I decided that I am going to spring for the MGS4 PS3 Bundle at Walmart and get myself that extra $100 Blu Ray Gift Card they are offering this week (Grab up Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Ratchet and Clank with it).

Seems like a good enough deal and I have become fond of the MGS series as of late so I am highly anticipating Thursday. Anybody else picking this up?

It's extremely tempting, but I'd kind of like the 80GB model instead. I've been told that it can do upscaling of PS2 games, even if it isn't 100% backwards compatible. Can anyone tell me if that's really worth it?

bustin98 · « **Reply #94 on:** June 09, 2008, 01:28:31 PM »

The bundled version is the 80GB model with the dual-shock (rumble) controller. The limited ed. Metal Gear bundle with the 'gunmetal' casing is 40GB.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #95 on:** June 09, 2008, 02:40:42 PM »

Yeah, and Walmart doesn't sell the 80GB model. At least not here.

bustin98 · « **Reply #96 on:** June 09, 2008, 03:56:22 PM »

Quote from: UltimatePartyBear on June 09, 2008, 12:49:06 PM

It's extremely tempting, but I'd kind of like the 80GB model instead. I've been told that it can do upscaling of PS2 games, even if it isn't 100% backwards compatible. Can anyone tell me if that's really worth it?

You said you kind of like the 80GB model instead. But that's what the Metal Gear bundle is.

A free game, upgraded controller, and a $100 gift card and you're asking if its worth it. To my understanding, the 80GB has limited backwards compatibility based on software emulation.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #97 on:** June 09, 2008, 04:04:56 PM »

Actually 2 free games, a code comes with the system for a free download of PAIN. It is essentially a souped up Flash Game, but it can be fun.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #98 on:** June 09, 2008, 04:35:53 PM »

Quote from: bustin98 on June 09, 2008, 03:56:22 PM

You said you kind of like the 80GB model instead. But that's what the Metal Gear bundle is.

A free game, upgraded controller, and a $100 gift card and you're asking if its worth it. To my understanding, the 80GB has limited backwards compatibility based on software emulation.

Thanks for the tip. I did some searching, and figured out that I was getting things confused thanks to the limited edition gunmetal bundle. I blame Sony for having so many PS3 packages. It's really going to come back and bite them. I mean, if not for you setting me straight, I wasn't likely to buy a PS3 this week (I'm still not 100% sure, but I've been looking for something to spend my tax rebate on).

I was asking "Is it worth it?" in regards to having some backwards compatibility vs. none at all considering the price difference. I have a PS2, but games that don't support progressive scan look pretty terrible on an HDTV, so the upscaling sounds nice to me, assuming it's any good. That question is kind of pointless now, though.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #99 on:** June 09, 2008, 04:37:35 PM »

I am thankful to have the 60gb non-gimped backward compatible system. Have you tried any games yet from PS2 or PSOne, Mr Jack?

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #100 on:** June 09, 2008, 04:43:59 PM »

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on June 09, 2008, 04:37:35 PM

I am thankful to have the 60gb non-gimped backward compatible system. Have you tried any games yet from PS2 or PSOne, Mr Jack?

I played Katamari Damacy and it looked like absolute crap, not sure about anything else. Maybe I'll check out Shadow of the Colossus and see how that looks.

vudu · « **Reply #101 on:** June 09, 2008, 08:59:57 PM »

Any 90 minute cut scenes yet?

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #102 on:** June 09, 2008, 09:03:01 PM »

plz gawd no

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #103 on:** June 09, 2008, 09:10:28 PM »

Quote from: vudu on June 09, 2008, 08:59:57 PM

Any 90 minute cut scenes yet?

They'll let you know once the game lets them get to the title screen =D

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #104 on:** June 11, 2008, 01:57:41 PM »

I heard the game is You press Start and watch a 3 hour movie is that true?

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #105 on:** June 11, 2008, 02:01:02 PM »

Quote from: Spak-Spang on June 11, 2008, 01:57:41 PM

I heard the game is You press Start and watch a 3 hour movie is that true?

I haven't played too far into it just yet, but there is definitely no cutscenes of that length at the beginning. You are treated to an on again off again cutscene through the whole introduction of the game but it is actually very well done and engaging regardless of the fact that you aren't playing the entire time.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #106 on:** June 11, 2008, 02:07:34 PM »

Is the superior 360 version out yet?

Halbred · « **Reply #107 on:** June 11, 2008, 03:15:27 PM »

I'm picking this game up tomorrow morning and potentially taking the day off from work to play it. MGS 4EVR!

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #108 on:** June 11, 2008, 03:28:43 PM »

^ FNF.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #109 on:** June 11, 2008, 03:44:00 PM »

I'll probably wait for the 360 version...

D_Average · « **Reply #110 on:** June 12, 2008, 12:40:09 PM »

This question may have been asked already, but is anyone finally being pushed over the edge to purchase a PS3 for this game?

Here's an interesting article I read yesterday, about how this is kind of Sony's last stand --> http://thespaceoddity.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/happy-mgs4-eve/

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #111 on:** June 12, 2008, 12:50:28 PM »

Quote from: D_Average on June 12, 2008, 12:40:09 PM

This question may have been asked already, but is anyone finally being pushed over the edge to purchase a PS3 for this game?

It's tempting in that buying the bundle would allow me to get some money back by trading it in.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #112 on:** June 12, 2008, 01:05:52 PM »

Quote from: D_Average on June 12, 2008, 12:40:09 PM

This question may have been asked already, but is anyone finally being pushed over the edge to purchase a PS3 for this game?

Here's an interesting article I read yesterday, about how this is kind of Sony's last stand --> http://thespaceoddity.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/happy-mgs4-eve/

Last stand? So there really isn't anything else on PS3 for 2008 afterall.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #113 on:** June 12, 2008, 01:08:35 PM »

Quote from: D_Average on June 12, 2008, 12:40:09 PM

This question may have been asked already, but is anyone finally being pushed over the edge to purchase a PS3 for this game?

Yup, this was the game that did it for me. I'm actually really happy I did buy it though. I think I already like it better than the 360. Plus I get a Blu-Ray player which I definitely won't complain about. Once the BR-DVDs are reasonable, I'll be picking them up instead of regular DVDs.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #114 on:** June 12, 2008, 01:59:51 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Jack on June 12, 2008, 01:08:35 PM

Quote from: D_Average on June 12, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
This question may have been asked already, but is anyone finally being pushed over the edge to purchase a PS3 for this game?

Yup, this was the game that did it for me. I'm actually really happy I did buy it though. I think I already like it better than the 360. Plus I get a Blu-Ray player which I definitely won't complain about. Once the BR-DVDs are reasonable, I'll be picking them up instead of regular DVDs.

Once they are reasonable? Will that actually happen? I foresee BR-DVDs being at least $5-10 more than DVDs for the next year or two.

I will not buy a Blue-Ray device until they are around $100-149 and the price per BR-DVD is the same as regular DVDs. Which means I will not buy one for a couple of years.

D_Average · « **Reply #115 on:** June 12, 2008, 02:04:09 PM »

Quote from: MADONNA DYNOMITE on June 12, 2008, 01:05:52 PM

Quote from: D_Average on June 12, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
This question may have been asked already, but is anyone finally being pushed over the edge to purchase a PS3 for this game?

Here's an interesting article I read yesterday, about how this is kind of Sony's last stand --> http://thespaceoddity.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/happy-mgs4-eve/

Last stand? So there really isn't anything else on PS3 for 2008 afterall.

Last stand in terms of HUGE PS3 only games. Who knows when LBP will appear.

Kairon · « **Reply #116 on:** June 12, 2008, 06:53:43 PM »

Hey, let's not count out FFXIII.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #117 on:** June 12, 2008, 06:56:25 PM »

MGS4 is fairly tame when it comes to being a big seller, so chances are this won't be the "it" game for very long.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #118 on:** June 13, 2008, 01:00:25 PM »

Well, I wanted to buy this with the PS3 bundle and the Walmart deal, but neither of my local Walmarts even got the bundle, and my local Best Buy won't match the deal, so I'm back to waiting for a price drop.

bustin98 · « **Reply #119 on:** June 13, 2008, 02:13:10 PM »

Your Walmarts suck.

I spent my $100 on a HDMI cable and optical audio cable, another controller, and Jumper on Blu-Ray (just had to pick one movie, and this one looked the most entertaining. Also not rebuying any movie I already own on DVD.)

I also just past the point in the game with the arms dealer Drebin. What a long ass boring cutscene that was.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #120 on:** June 13, 2008, 05:22:30 PM »

IGN says the longest cutscene is 45 minutes. Under my own personal rubric, that makes MGS4 automatically ineligible to receive a perfect score.

I am so glad Nintendo is offering an alternative.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #121 on:** June 13, 2008, 05:39:48 PM »

A perfect score is a value with no numbers, decimals, or letters.

Like a cheeseburger.

Halbred · « **Reply #122 on:** June 13, 2008, 06:55:14 PM »

Meryl is hot. I mean, that's a given, but in this game she's hot.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #123 on:** June 13, 2008, 06:59:32 PM »

MILF4: Rockets of the Pockets

Mashiro · « **Reply #124 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:20:29 PM »

A 45 minute cut scene? ....

Meh.

ReverendNoahWhateley · « **Reply #125 on:** June 14, 2008, 03:48:23 AM »

Can you at least save your cutscene-viewing progress so you don't have to endure the whole thing in one sitting?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #126 on:** June 14, 2008, 03:49:38 AM »

Sorry, this game doesn't include casual options.

Caliban · « **Reply #127 on:** June 14, 2008, 09:44:13 PM »

Quote from: ReverendNoahWhateley on June 14, 2008, 03:48:23 AM

Can you at least save your cutscene-viewing progress so you don't have to endure the whole thing in one sitting?

You can pause it, but I don't know to what extent.

Shift Key · « **Reply #128 on:** June 15, 2008, 12:43:31 AM »

Gametrailer comments thread is hilarious reading. 2600+ comments of either "lol 9.3" or "biased".

For example:

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looks like m$ gets its moneys worth again what abuncha dicks gt is this game deserves better..its not mgs fault it doesn't appeal to stupid people.

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?? seems that super mario galaxy has a better story then this game.. and that had no story at all.

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I am about to regurgitate over my computer. That was probably one of the worst reviews done by this site. I can not comprehend how this game can get a 8.9 for story. Its the greatest story in a video game ever.

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Q fuckin Q.

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OMG GT IS TOTAL BIASED FAGFEST

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Gametrailers you suck. This game is amazing and you nitpick at almost everything because you are so petty and biased.

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GT I **** YOUR MOMS AND YEAH BAN ME BECAUSE I HATE U YOU ARE FUCKING BIASED MGS STORY=8.5 SO WHY U DID ALL THAT PERFECT RETROSPTECTIVE

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WTF THAT IS NOT FATE THE GAME HAS BEAN OUT FOR 21 YEARS I THINK I DO NOT WONT TO GO ON THIS SITE NO MORE I GIVE THE GAME A 10

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Although from my perspective they may have also rated it down because of the graphics. Jesus it looks so freaking light-brown colored.

My personal favourites so far (so much gold I didn't have to go far):

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MGS4 feels like Pirates of the Carribean: At Worlds End, full and full of useless fan fare with no real substance, just slap as many characters into the game you can.

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Maybe they were listening to a Shaquille O'Neal rap album while they played through the game, and turned up the volume at the beginning of each cutscene...yeah, that must be it.

PS: Apologies in advance, swear filter.

nickmitch · « **Reply #129 on:** June 15, 2008, 01:45:18 AM »

I formally present you with the Best Compilation Post of 2008 award. Congratulations.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #130 on:** June 16, 2008, 08:43:50 PM »

Okay, so I'm about two hours into the game, and...God, where do I begin?

And I say that instead of "played two hours" because I've only played around a half hour...These cutscenes are ridiculously annoying...

Do I REALLY need a 15 minute cutscene that boils down to "Sup, I launder weapons. Want some?" This game already gets at least two points off for pissing the hell out of me... >=|

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #131 on:** June 16, 2008, 08:49:34 PM »

I hate to say this, but MGS4 makes me appreciate GTAIV.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #132 on:** June 16, 2008, 09:16:09 PM »

This must be the year of the "Fours".

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #133 on:** June 16, 2008, 09:21:27 PM »

Quote from: MADONNA DYNOMITE on June 16, 2008, 09:16:09 PM

This must be the year of the "Fours".

Well there two Fours which equal 8 plus the number of IV games which is 2 which when added to 8 equals 10.

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #134 on:** June 16, 2008, 10:43:01 PM »

and

2 + 8 = 9

and

IV - 10 = 11

OH EM GEE, TEH CONSPIR-OH-C

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #135 on:** June 17, 2008, 11:28:27 AM »

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on June 16, 2008, 09:21:27 PM

Quote from: MADONNA DYNOMITE on June 16, 2008, 09:16:09 PM
This must be the year of the "Fours".

Well there two Fours which equal 8 plus the number of IV games which is 2 which when added to 8 equals 10.

Don't forget Star Wars: The Fours Unleashed.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #136 on:** June 17, 2008, 11:38:13 AM »

Quote from: Bill Aurion on June 16, 2008, 08:43:50 PM

Okay, so I'm about two hours into the game, and...God, where do I begin?

And I say that instead of "played two hours" because I've only played around a half hour...These cutscenes are ridiculously annoying...

Do I REALLY need a 15 minute cutscene that boils down to "Sup, I launder weapons. Want some?" This game already gets at least two points off for pissing the hell out of me... >=|

First MGS game? I guess I'm not fazed by the cutscenes any longer because I'm so used to their lengthiness in the preceding games. As far as I'm concerned, they are less annoying than they were in MGS2, where nearly every scene was needlessly wordy and obnoxious. The only thing that pulled me through that one was my intrigue of seeing what the hell was really going on.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #137 on:** June 17, 2008, 12:11:19 PM »

see the gamefaqs synopsis.

it's cheaper
takes less time
no installation required

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #138 on:** June 17, 2008, 12:31:12 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Jack on June 17, 2008, 11:38:13 AM

Quote from: Bill Aurion on June 16, 2008, 08:43:50 PM
Okay, so I'm about two hours into the game, and...God, where do I begin?

And I say that instead of "played two hours" because I've only played around a half hour...These cutscenes are ridiculously annoying...

Do I REALLY need a 15 minute cutscene that boils down to "Sup, I launder weapons. Want some?" This game already gets at least two points off for pissing the hell out of me... >=|

First MGS game? I guess I'm not fazed by the cutscenes any longer because I'm so used to their lengthiness in the preceding games. As far as I'm concerned, they are less annoying than they were in MGS2, where nearly every scene was needlessly wordy and obnoxious. The only thing that pulled me through that one was my intrigue of seeing what the hell was really going on.

I liked MGS2 because I actually got to play more game.

Dan_Flyhight · « **Reply #139 on:** June 17, 2008, 01:36:09 PM »

I have seen this played and I am by far impressed at the textures and graphics in general of this game. The voice acting is top notch and the stealth moves of snake are awesome. Especially when he's lying on his stomach and moving extremely slow so it looks like he's doing the worm! The only thing I have against this game is the same I do for Burnout Paradise. In Burnout Paradise there's a music track that does not need to belong in it: Avril Lavigne - Girlfriend. You can look and hear music from Snake's iPod and Hooooooooly crap there's some weird japanese music you wouldn't expect nor should you hear in a stealth game. But does that complaint really matter? No so that makes my comment all positive. ^_^

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #140 on:** June 17, 2008, 02:05:36 PM »

"First MGS game? I guess I'm not fazed by the cutscenes any longer because I'm so used to their lengthiness in the preceding games."

I played through a bit of the first and second games, but 4 is by far the worst...

"As far as I'm concerned, they are less annoying than they were in MGS2, where nearly every scene was needlessly wordy and obnoxious."

That pretty much describes this game, though...Snake is noticeably worse when it comes to making every little thing he says sound as if it's the most epic and shocking thing he's seen all day...I just want him to shut up and let someone else talk!

"The voice acting is top notch"

If only the dialogue wasn't hammy, obnoxious, and redundant statements of the obvious... =|

Like that reunion between Snake and Meryl...I swear the conversation just switched gears about a half-dozen times with a hilarious range of emotions...Talk about mood swings...

Coolest part of the game so far (through the beginning of the second chapter) is where you sneak around behind a tank as it trashes up everyone in front of it...

Adrock · « **Reply #141 on:** June 18, 2008, 05:56:27 PM »

Fans defend the cutscenes because they're fans. However, I think most people become frustrated when a story in any medium drags. I've read books and watched movies where it was painfully obvious that the writer(s) and/or director simply fell in love with their own art. That's really the problem with Kojima's games. He's an excellent game maker, but a terrible storyteller. Not that he necessarily tells bad stories, rather he's very pretentious and long-winded. There's a roughly 27 minute conversation at the end of MGS4 which could've easily been less than 10. An effective narrative shouldn't rely on summary to ties up loose end. That's just poor writing.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #142 on:** June 18, 2008, 06:26:12 PM »

It's still below Toy Story grafiks

Ceric · « **Reply #143 on:** June 18, 2008, 08:50:32 PM »

Quote from: MADONNA DYNOMITE on June 18, 2008, 06:26:12 PM

It's still below Toy Story grafiks

Thats because its not on the PS2.

Kairon · « **Reply #144 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:43:02 PM »

Is anyone else here annoyed by the blatant and tasteless treatment of the ship captain in that planning/conference room scene? I can handle all the hammy ridiculous pretentious dialogue in the world, but this form of crass, sexist, mysogynistic humor just makes me feel a little ill. I don't care that they also have the Boss in MGS3 as perhaps the strongest example of a strong non-sexualized female character, there's a part of me that finds this particular instance on the other end of the spectrum in how females are viewed in the medium degrading.

Is there something I'm not getting here? Is it just geek culture? I don't know.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #145 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:45:55 PM »

Quote from: Kairon on June 26, 2008, 07:43:02 PM

Is anyone else here annoyed by the blatant and tasteless treatment of the ship captain in that planning/conference room scene? I can handle all the hammy ridiculous pretentious dialogue in the world, but this form of crass, sexist, mysogynistic humor just makes me feel a little ill. I don't care that they also have the Boss in MGS3 as perhaps the strongest example of a strong non-sexualized female character, there's a part of me that finds this particular instance on the other end of the spectrum in how females are viewed in the medium degrading.

Is there something I'm not getting here? Is it just geek culture? I don't know.

Do you have a PS3 now Kairon? You seem to be talking about MGS4 alot (Not sure what part you are talking about).

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #146 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:48:52 PM »

Quote from: Kairon on June 26, 2008, 07:43:02 PM

Is anyone else here annoyed by the blatant and tasteless treatment of the ship captain in that planning/conference room scene? I can handle all the hammy ridiculous pretentious dialogue in the world, but this form of crass, sexist, mysogynistic humor just makes me feel a little ill. I don't care that they also have the Boss in MGS3 as perhaps the strongest example of a strong non-sexualized female character, there's a part of me that finds this particular instance on the other end of the spectrum in how females are viewed in the medium degrading.

Is there something I'm not getting here? Is it just geek culture? I don't know.

Most of the enemies you fight in the game are female, if you haven't realized it by now...The four female bosses and the FROGs...Also add the fact that both Naomi and Eva die, while no major male good guy does... The designers at Konami have issues...

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #147 on:** June 26, 2008, 08:17:44 PM »

"The designers at Konami have issues..."

SIMON ALUCARD 3D FIGHTOR

Kairon · « **Reply #148 on:** June 26, 2008, 08:52:09 PM »

Quote from: Bill Aurion on June 26, 2008, 07:48:52 PM

Also add the fact that both Naomi and Eva die, while no major male good guy does... The designers at Konami have issues...

I knew about the soldiers, but OMG I didn't realize the rest of it.

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on June 26, 2008, 07:45:55 PM

Do you have a PS3 now Kairon? You seem to be talking about MGS4 alot (Not sure what part you are talking about).

NEVAR.

I watched about the last third of the game.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #149 on:** June 26, 2008, 09:16:15 PM »

watch it played it, same thing, it's next-generation cinema era desperation.

Kairon · « **Reply #150 on:** June 26, 2008, 09:24:36 PM »

Well, I like to watch.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #151 on:** June 27, 2008, 06:25:28 PM »

Can you find the cinemas online somewhere like youtube? Because I would love to watch the game and see if it is as bad as everyone is saying.

Enner · « **Reply #152 on:** June 29, 2008, 02:41:00 AM »

There was Berklee that compiled Twin Snakes, Sons of Libery, and Snake Eater. That site is gone though. Ought to be someone else stepping up and capturing all the footage.

Also, what bad is everyone saying? Other than it being long, convulted, confusing, and/or redundant.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #153 on:** June 29, 2008, 04:41:39 AM »

Quote from: Enner on June 29, 2008, 02:41:00 AM

There was Berklee that compiled Twin Snakes, Sons of Libery, and Snake Eater. That site is gone though. Ought to be someone else stepping up and capturing all the footage.

Also, what bad is everyone saying? Other than it being long, convulted, confusing, and/or redundant.

My main problem with it, is that the gameplay is kind of archaic now. For example, even the games physic laws make no sense, not to mention many of the environments are quite blah and way too "man made" and square in their design. One example of messed up physic laws is during one sequence where you have to go up a "hill" (though it is designed like a multi level platform even though it is supposed to be an organic hill), well for some odd reason Snake cannot jump 1 ft up to grab onto the next level, yet he can easily pull himself up if he falls off a ledge. Heck even the average person could make this particular climb but Snake cannot, instead you need to continue walking until the top level curves down enough for you get onto it. It is silly and does not belong in a so-called next generation game. So in conclusion Level Design is average at best, and the visuals are a mixed bag.

Svevan · « **Reply #154 on:** June 29, 2008, 05:06:18 AM »

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on June 29, 2008, 04:41:39 AM

the visuals are a mixed bag.

wat

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #155 on:** June 29, 2008, 05:36:15 PM »

Quote from: Svevan on June 29, 2008, 05:06:18 AM

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on June 29, 2008, 04:41:39 AM
the visuals are a mixed bag.

wat

Some textures are ugly, like I said the ground does not look realistic with conveniently placed (and cheesy) looking grass. The land is too man made looking and has stuff like conveniently designed paths to go up. Then you have slowdown in both the gameplay sections and the cutscenes. So yes the visuals are overrated.

Kairon · « **Reply #156 on:** June 29, 2008, 06:01:12 PM »

The tech is impressive, but it just exposes holes where not as much attention was put into it.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #157 on:** June 29, 2008, 06:21:16 PM »

Quote from: Kairon on June 29, 2008, 06:01:12 PM

The tech is impressive, but it just exposes holes where not as much attention was put into it.

It seems they put the most work in the models and the rest is a mixed bag.

Caliban · « **Reply #158 on:** June 29, 2008, 06:32:29 PM »

Personally I would rate this game an 8.0/10, and with MGO I would give an extra half point, so it's an 8.5/10 because it is far from having a minimal amount of defects to be considered a game in the realm of the Caliban hall of fame for videogames.

Of all the boss fights I only liked the last two with screaming mantis, and liquid ocelot.

*sigh*

I think Kojima, and Payton (I think that's his name) tried way too hard with this game, or at least they could have needed one more year, if not more, for polishing the game in terms of character gameplay mechanics, cinematics, environmental gameplay mechanics, more original boss fights, a better and strealined online registration system, etc...

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