Author Topic: Xbox 360 is the name, Concaved console plays the games (Read 50743 times)

BlackNMild2k1 · « **on:** April 13, 2005, 02:34:14 PM »

I know the title is cheesy but....

anyway GamesIndustry.biz has stated that details have been revealed

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The name of Xbox's successor is Xbox 360, we can confirm, and the design of the machine is indeed a concave shape.

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As for the logo of the console, it is described as a simple, round nexus with "Xbox 360" written inside it. Previous rumours had simply the numbers "360" in the disc. This branding tends to suggest that we can expect to see "360" appearing after many game names, as happened with the Nintendo 64.

Do we have any artist that would like to come up with a mock-up??

Don't forget that

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Previous rumours had put the console as light silver, although fresh information says the final design may be white. OurColony does suggest a platinum-white colour scheme for the hardware.

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Savior · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2005, 02:44:35 PM »

I hope its not silver cause i was hoping the Revolution would be Silver

Ian Sane · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2005, 02:45:52 PM »

"Xbox 360" is a stupid name. It was probably decided on using the same focus groups that determined that a ridiculously huge controller was a good idea. It doesn't flow at all. Ecks-bahcks-three-six-tee. Bleh.

Though "a British source who is privy to Microsoft's marketing documents for the console" sounds pretty wishy-washy. It's got a "friend told me" kind of vibe. Though the concave design and way it stands up vertically matches that picture that most of us assumed was a dev kit. Maybe that's what it is and the "source" is going off of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if 360 was the final name though. It's such a DUMB name that it kind of has to be real, you know? No rumour starter would come up with something so lame. Xenon, NeXtBox, Xbox Next, Xbox 2 all sound very generic and fanboyish like anyone could come up with it. No one making up sh!t would come to the conclusion of using "360" as part of the name. It doesn't even make any sense.

Savior · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2005, 03:25:34 PM »

Its dumb... but it makes sesne that it helps combat PS3, and Nintendo 21... as silly as that sounds

Robotor · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2005, 04:37:10 PM »

Maybe the 360 is just to help make the point that its not doing anything new. When you spin around 360 degrees you end up facing the same way, but dizzy. So the new XBOX will be the same type of thing, but dizzy.....

And I cant wait for Halo 3....60...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2005, 05:38:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: Savior
Its dumb... but it makes sesne that it helps combat PS3, and Nintendo 21... as silly as that sounds

Get that silly "Nintendo 21" rumor out of your head...

Savior · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2005, 06:17:13 PM »

I Did Bill but it seems Microsoft didnt... at least according to Rumors

Artimus · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2005, 08:52:42 PM »

Worst console name in history. Xenon at least sounded cool...

pudu · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2005, 11:40:41 PM »

I agree, in trying too hard to be "hip" and "cool" they have settled on the worst console name in history (if this turns out to be true).

First of all, there is no point to the name. Think of most console names and how they have naturally either shown a progression in technology (nintendo 64's 64 bit), shape (as in the gamecube or sp), or simply the natural indicator of a successor (PS2, SNES). What does the 360 indicate? Unless it's exactly 360 times more powerful then the xbox or it's design is circular it doesn't make much sence.

Imagine having to say, "lets go play my xbox 360." A bit long winded no? Plus I'd imagine it's lameness would get annoying after not too long. You could, however, just say "lets go play my 360" but that just makes it's rediculousness even more apparent. I guess a lot of people will not question it at first but after so long people will wonder, "why on earth that name?"

I don't know, maybe I'm in a lousy mood because I'm in the middle of an all-night homework marathon...

Caillan · « **Reply #9 on:** April 14, 2005, 12:25:17 AM »

Names don't matter. If they did, the Gamecube and Playstation would have outright failed. People aren't going to say "hey! lets go play with the Microsoft XBox 360!', they're going to abbreviate it.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #10 on:** April 14, 2005, 02:45:16 AM »

Yeah but how do you abbreviate XBox 360? "Full circle"? "Revolution"? I think people will stick with XBox 2 or Xenon or something in that case.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #11 on:** April 14, 2005, 03:30:58 AM »

Well, if it were my friend and I, I'd just say "let's play some X3"... same as we usually refer to the Gamecube as the GC.

vudu · « **Reply #12 on:** April 14, 2005, 09:00:58 AM »

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Yeah but how do you abbreviate XBox 360?

Simple: Xbox.

I think it's safe to say people will continue to call the new Microsoft console Xbox. Much like when you said to your friend "Hey, you want to come to my house and play some Nintendo?" back in 1989 you meant NES, but when you said the same thing in 1995, you clearly meant SNES.

pudu · « **Reply #13 on:** April 14, 2005, 12:42:09 PM »

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Yeah but how do you abbreviate XBox 360?
Simple: Xbox.

I think it's safe to say people will continue to call the new Microsoft console Xbox. Much like when you said to your friend "Hey, you want to come to my house and play some Nintendo?" back in 1989 you meant NES, but when you said the same thing in 1995, you clearly meant SNES.

U know you have a deffinate point here. I do still pop in some N64 games from time to time and when I say Nintendo that can get confusing but to solve this I almost always simply refur to the actual game I want to play anyway. This all seems a little trivial now writing it after a good nights rest...although I still believe xbox 360 is the lamest name ever...even if it won't make that big of a differnce in reality

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #14 on:** April 14, 2005, 02:34:34 PM »

I find the obscurity of "Gizmondo" highly attractive.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #15 on:** April 14, 2005, 08:22:03 PM »

Now some idiot started a rumor about a small, transportable XBox 360 based on a document about a freaking IBM/360 mainframe from 1964...

kirby_killer_dedede · « **Reply #16 on:** April 17, 2005, 08:56:53 AM »

Yeah, I believe it was Engadget who said the reason for the name was basically so it wouldn't sound inferior to PS3 (2 vs 3).

ib2kool4u912 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 17, 2005, 10:50:21 AM »

Anyone else find it funny that "360" technically also refers to a "Revolution"?

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #18 on:** April 17, 2005, 04:20:08 PM »

I hear the '360' refers to its orbit among similarly monsterous celestial bodies

Frozen-Solid · « **Reply #19 on:** April 17, 2005, 04:26:26 PM »

Maybe the 360 refers to Kilos or Pounds :3

KDR_11k · « **Reply #20 on:** April 18, 2005, 08:48:42 AM »

Nope, it's a 360° turn from their previous direction. On another note, Nintendo should say something like "Yeah, so MS has a 360, so what? We've got 1080!". I mean, 720 or 1080 at least have a meaning in relation to that HD stuff but 360?

BTW, if it's abbreviated to 360 it'll be really ironic. The IBM 360 was the first system to implement Out-of-Order execution, the XB360 apparently won't do that. Also, now we'll get all of those IBM/360 jokes instead of IBM PS/2 jokes.

Sir_Stabbalot · « **Reply #21 on:** April 18, 2005, 11:50:13 AM »

Round system, eh? If it get a DRE, you could use it as a frisbee.

MrMojoRising · « **Reply #22 on:** April 18, 2005, 01:37:31 PM »

If they did call it Xenon I would have thought more seriously about buying one (in addition to a REV of course), but x-box 360 is just lame...it's lamer than FDR's legs.

Too soon?

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:38:45 PM »

I think I got the first pics of the Xbox 360

Engadget.com

looks alot better and smaller than Xbox

nickmitch · « **Reply #24 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:51:23 PM »

It needed to be smaller

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:56:48 PM »

R U being sarcastic? Its already looks to be about the size of a PS2, how much smaller could it get?

Myxtika1 Azn · « **Reply #26 on:** April 23, 2005, 07:09:45 AM »

I believe that he was referring to the Xbox, not the 360 (ghey name).

Ymeegod · « **Reply #27 on:** April 23, 2005, 08:30:43 AM »

Don't think any of those are actual though--E3 is just a month away so I'll wait for that :0.

BTW: Those pics only had two controller ports if anyone cared to look at that--Hopefully MS sticks with 4 inputs. Actually it doesn't have any--those two ports were for MC--so it's going have wireless controllers as default?

King of Twitch · « **Reply #28 on:** April 23, 2005, 09:57:12 AM »

Here's your concave design

Artimus · « **Reply #29 on:** April 23, 2005, 11:16:13 AM »

Hey, the system looks as stupid as the name!

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2005, 12:36:02 PM »

here is another picture, one that shows the Xbox 360 emblem

Xbox 360 angled view

I've also seen a picture that had a removable 40gb hdd inserted into the system

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2005, 12:54:13 PM »

Bright green and silver really don't mix at all... -_-

Savior · « **Reply #32 on:** April 23, 2005, 03:29:39 PM »

It looks 10x better than the first Xbox... And supposidly with Killer Instinct at launch... Tempting to be sure

nickmitch · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2005, 04:50:40 PM »

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I believe that he was referring to the Xbox, not the 360 (ghey name).

I was.

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Don't think any of those are actual though--E3 is just a month away so I'll wait for that :0.

It'll be on MTV on the 12th, which is much sooner.

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #34 on:** April 23, 2005, 05:05:19 PM »

Anyone realize that is a fake picture too? If you look at the top it gets blury at the end which means they probably took it from the IGN picture or something.

S-U-P-E-R · « **Reply #35 on:** April 24, 2005, 03:18:04 AM »

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It looks 10x better than the first Xbox... And supposidly with Killer Instinct at launch... Tempting to be sure

SOURCE PLZ

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #36 on:** April 24, 2005, 06:16:52 AM »

Rare has had to be working on something these past couple of years. Expect PD2 at launch plus one or two other good games... I think Microsoft is trying to do the same thing they did with teh first xbox, which is have one FPS killer app for launch. I doubt bungie will have another Halo by Xmas (though that would possibly explain why H2's campaign eats dick)

that X360 design looks like the big ass X that Msoft used for the first xbox's demos... which makes me believe this is the final design

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #37 on:** April 24, 2005, 06:29:09 AM »

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Rare has had to be working on something these past couple of years.

WRONG

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I doubt bungie will have another Halo by Xmas

Remember, they don't have to make the games good for people to buy them.

Savior · « **Reply #38 on:** April 24, 2005, 07:10:59 AM »

A Friend of mine told me next months EGM has the story on Perfect Dark Zero as an X-box launch title.

Killer Instinct? I read it somewhere else. Doubt its legit though

Shift Key · « **Reply #39 on:** April 25, 2005, 01:12:17 AM »

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Nope, it's a 360° turn from their previous direction.

Last I heard, a 360° turn means you go in the same direction as before - totally pointless. Its more likely to mean the traversal of 360° as covering the entire spectrum of something trendy, like nutmeg. I'll wait for Hammertime 360 before I get excited about the Xbox Spinna.

And this mockup (not the blol one) is bad - the 6 on the 360 is upside down for starters. But I'd expect something similar to that design when it finally appears...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #40 on:** April 25, 2005, 08:32:09 AM »

Last I heard, a 360° turn means you go in the same direction as before - totally pointless.

Thank you, Captain Obvious...

Realistically, Perfect Dark Zero isn't going to sell because Prey and Duke Nukem Forever will greatly overshadow it.

Shift Key · « **Reply #41 on:** April 26, 2005, 12:07:53 AM »

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Thank you, Captain Obvious...

No worries, Captain Emphasis.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #42 on:** April 26, 2005, 06:41:48 AM »

Rare has stated so many times that it's NOT working on Killer Instinct that it's not funny. Now I admit it's been a while since the last time Rare said it wasn't working on Killer Instinct, so I wouldn't be surprised if the game is now in the works (maybe we'll even see some shots this E3) but it won't be out in time for launch. I predict Perfect Dark 0 at launch and Kameo in 2006.

Umm, yeah, Xbox 360 design! I think it's pretty nice, better than the existing Xbox, but I'm not keen on the "vents" all over the top, and I don't think it fits in with a home entertainment system like the last one did - which was supposedly to the advantage of PS2 and Xbox, even though GameCube looks way better than either of them. I like silver, but actual photos I saw of the system on gamesarefun.com almost looked PC beige. Ugly.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 26, 2005, 12:45:16 PM »

ShackNews.com

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Microsoft Upset Over Xbox 360 Leak

Gee, I wonder why? If you missed it, an image was leaked that showed the Xbox 360 design in all its glory; you can find the pictures here. According to Internet rumors, Microsoft now believes the leak came from the MTV production staff. Supposedly, an actual console wasn't going to be showed, just the render that is being passed around. In any case, a couple other images hit the net: this one showing what appears to be a 64MB memory card inserted into the system and this side shot of the console with a 40GB hard drive attached.

More Rumors

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More Xbox 360 Rumors: Halo 2.5, Launch Lineup

Okay, grain of salt time. IGN's rumor column has a few intriguing tidbits. First, the biggie. Halo 2.5 will be available launch day and it will come pre-loaded on the hard drive. It will feature high-res textures, widescreen res, 720p, and cut-scenes that don't feature LOD pop-in. I would assume it'd also have all the new maps. If true, smart move; the $399 console with the hard drive has a pack-in game and everyone now has a reason to buy the hard drive separately. The other rumor is that the system will have 40 titles available the first month. 15-20 at launch, and ten more each two weeks. Some names being tossed around are Perfect Dark Zero, Test Drive, the new Need for Speed, PGR3, Burnout 4, and a Namco racing title. Can't ever have enough racers, apparently.

just a little second sourcing & rumor back-up

but xbox releasing @ $399.00 w/ hard drive & Halo 2.5 pre-loaded, I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume $299.00 w/o hdd.

Also why so many racing titles @ launch, and 40 launch window titles!!!! thats impressive if true.

Edit: posted in wrong thread - but has already been replied to

Ian Sane · « **Reply #44 on:** April 26, 2005, 01:21:09 PM »

"but xbox releasing @ $399.00 w/ hard drive & Halo 2.5 pre-loaded, I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume $299.00 w/o hdd"

What a rip-off. The Xbox came with a hard drive for $300 so it shouldn't cost an extra $100 to get the hard drive version. Halo 2.5 is a total rip off too. Hey thanks for buying an unfinished version of the game. Now buy a $400 console to get the REAL version. That's the problem with taking such a huge loss the first time around. You have to raise prices to make a profit next time.

The multiple console price points idea that MS and Sony are both rumoured to be going with have a huge flaw: the barebones model is as expensive as last gen's "full" console launch prices. No one is saving any money by buying the cheaper model. The options are "expensive" and "even more expensive". This can give Nintendo a legitmate advantage in price. Last gen the Cube wasn't quite cheap enough to make a difference but if you can get the Rev with a hard drive and all the essential features included for less than the barebones 360 and PS3 models that's going to make a bigger impact. How is MS going to justify the extra $100 for a hard drive if Nintendo includes a hard drive and charges at most the same price as the barebones 360 model?

40 titles though is unbelievable. And by that I mean not believable. I doubt there will be that many. There will either be a lot of junk and PS2/Xbox ports (probably what EA's titles initially will be) or many of those titles will be delayed or cancelled outright. Still the goal of having so many titles is a good one to have and at the very least if MS puts in the effort to try to get that many titles the result will still be a fair amount of titles even if it's not quite 40. I doubt Nintendo will even come close to have many launch period games (in fact I'm worried they'll have less than 10). Just the fact that MS feels that having a lot of titles early on is important will get a good word of mouth going and will please fans.

Savior · « **Reply #45 on:** April 26, 2005, 03:53:21 PM »

If the Detachable HD can trully play MP3s like the rumors say... then its not a ripofff...

and Burnout 4 as a launch title... cool stuff... Loved Burnout 3

vudu · « **Reply #46 on:** April 27, 2005, 09:18:13 AM »

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How is MS going to justify the extra $100 for a hard drive if Nintendo includes a hard drive and charges at most the same price as the barebones 360 model?

Easy. Nintendo is the kiddie.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #47 on:** April 28, 2005, 11:27:37 AM »

Personally, I'm convinced since this generation that price doesn't make a huge difference. Granted, PS2 and Xbox had DVD players, which were becoming a hot item at the time, but then again, if Nintendo has the same features this time around, how is it going to be profitable and keep its price lower than the other two? Only if they're ripping consumers off, and I don't think Microsoft is ripping people off...I think it was just being really nice with the Xbox. Will there be a feature on Xbox 360 or PS3 that makes them stand out the way DVD did? I don't think so, but DVR could come close.

As for racing games, I think we see so many early on because it's easy to make them. That doesn't mean it's easy to make a good one, but compared to adventure-like games where people expect lots of "moves", artificial intelligence, varied terrain, and of course a story and characters, racing games maybe require a little less planning and careful design. Throw together a bunch of cityscapes and put in tons of car models and lots of people are happy.

Ymeegod · « **Reply #48 on:** May 01, 2005, 09:17:52 AM »

Those are rumored prices bud, don't think anything is finalized yet.

Just like all those claiming the PSP was going cost $500+ :0.

That's why I don't jump the gun anymore--with the internet there's alot of "I have inside info for my uncle's brother's sister who married joe with one toe".

kirby_killer_dedede · « **Reply #49 on:** May 01, 2005, 11:54:50 AM »

urrm...if I'm looking at that picture right...one controller port? o_o

Yeah, I didn't expect to see the real console on MTV...but we'll see it at E3 the next day anyway so whatever.

And I agree with Ian...2.5 = wtf?

I'm also very skepitcal that 40 titles will be available in the launch frame...does DS even have that many titles out yet? o_O

Artimus · « **Reply #50 on:** May 01, 2005, 12:29:57 PM »

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urrm...if I'm looking at that picture right...one controller port? o_o

That's an IR port, the controllers will of course be wireless...

Grant10k · « **Reply #51 on:** May 01, 2005, 12:41:09 PM »

Yeah, I hate .5
New features like, less bugs??!?!?!
I was never a fan of the Halo series, and the LOD bug and other graphical shortcuts didn't improve my view of them any.
I mean...it's a console game, PC games ship with bugs normally because of the diffrence between hardware that is impossible to predict, so patches are ok for PC, but there is no reason a console game should have a version number past x.0 much less x.5, apparently if they jump past .4 you have to pay for it. Then again...the first Xbox is basically a PC anyway...

kirby_killer_dedede · « **Reply #52 on:** May 01, 2005, 01:19:03 PM »

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urrm...if I'm looking at that picture right...one controller port? o_o

That's an IR port, the controllers will of course be wireless...

silly me.

i officially love mtv, they're bringing ms down from the inside. (i'm looking at you and midway knoxx)

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #53 on:** May 02, 2005, 04:32:21 PM »

IR as in infra-red? as just like my remote control? as in when I walk infront of you or obsruct direct view of the console from the controller, you no longer have a connection?

Don't you think it would atleast be blue-tooth or some other kind of radio tech?

[valley girl] Infra Red is like SOOO 19-90's!!! whatevers....*palm to the face*[/valley girl]

Artimus · « **Reply #54 on:** May 02, 2005, 07:06:58 PM »

The IR is likely for the DVD remote.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:53:53 AM »

New Controller Pic

I don't know what stage of development this picture was taken during, but I thought the controllers for Xbox360 were supposed to be 'wireless', and the 'circle of light'(X360 menu button) in the middle is also missing.

whats the deal?

Grant10k · « **Reply #56 on:** May 04, 2005, 11:18:59 AM »

The deal is that it's much easier to make a controller work, then make it wireless, than to get two features running simultaneously.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #57 on:** May 04, 2005, 01:32:08 PM »

SPOnG.com

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SPOnG received word that this is the version of the pad as shipped with the long-awaited updated SDK units for Xbox 360, with some studios receiving upgrade packs of late.

The button is named the 'Xbox 360 Button'. Really. And will be the defining difference between Xbox of old and the progression of the console into an ever-growing Live community.

“It gives you instant access, globally, from whatever you’re doing, to your Xbox360 menus,” explained our source, speaking under terms of strict anonymity. “They’re going to show it at the E3 conference in all its glory, but in a nutshell, if you’re watching a DVD, you’re still signed into your Friends list, so you can still be invited into games, discussions and other Live events. You’re always connected to the community. It’s like the interactive button for digital TV. And this really is the key factor to bear in mind with the upgraded Live system. It will be a lot more like a digital TV experience, just more interactive. Microsoft is looking at the viability of Live competing with the set-top box and this Xbox 360 button in the key to this.”

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #58 on:** May 10, 2005, 12:05:55 AM »

The stats for the system have been leaked!!!

TeamXbox.com

2 types of Xbox Live:
Xbox Live Silver (no subscription required)
Xbox Live Gold (subscription benefits)

Features for Gold service
* Also for Silver
# Also for Offline

- Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360
- Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) *
- Free Xbox Live weekends *
- Multiplayer online gameplay
- Avatar for gamer profile * #
- Motto for gamer profile * #
- Personalized look for Xbox System Guide * #
- Offline achievments * #
- Online achievements *
- Access to other players' Gamer cards via Live *
- Cumulative gamer score * #
- Location/language profile * #
- Reputation *
- Enahnced matchmaking using above
- Skill level matchmaking
- Gameplay style profile (casual, competitive, etc.)
- Recent players list *
- Free and premium download game content *
- Free and premium downloadable movies, music, tv *
- Downloadable demos/trailers *
- Microtransactions *
- Custom playlist in every game * #
- Play music from portable devices * #
- View images from digital camera * #
- Strem media from Windows XP * #
- Interactive screen savers * #
- Track info for CDs * #
- Communication with voice, video or text *

360 HW:
1. Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD
2. All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
3. Customizable face plates to change appearance
4. 3 USB 2.0 ports
5. Support for 4 wireless controllers
6. Detachable 20GB drive
7. Wi-Fi ready

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
- 2 hardware threads per core
- 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
- 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance
- 9 billion dots per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
- 500 MNz
- 10 MB embedded DRAM
- 48-way parallel floating-point shader pipelines
- unified shader architecture

Memory
-512 MB GDDR3 RAM
- 700 MNz DDR

Memory Bandwidth
- 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
- 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
- 21.6 GB/s frontside bus

Audio
- Mulitchannel surround sond output
- Supports 48khz 16-bit audio
- 320 independent decompression channels
- 32 bit processing
- 256+ audio channels

hopefully the hard drive is upgradeable
&
48 shader pipelines..... isn't that an awful lot?

no mention of pvr use or bc w/ xbox

The only thing left to leak is the Game screens and movies.

edit: I found the original leak HERE with confirmation HERE

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #59 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:50:11 AM »

The Xbox 360 is more of a PC than my PC is >=o

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #60 on:** May 10, 2005, 02:57:25 AM »

I have to admit, it is rather sleek looking.

HOWEVER, it is massive! If it was the size of the ps2, I would be very appealing from a view stand point.

Halo 2.5! Only microsoft............

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #61 on:** May 10, 2005, 04:52:04 AM »

I was looking at the rumored price and really if Xbox360 does everything it says it does then $399 isn't a bad price for the system. Its basically a powerful computer without the windows OS, and specifically designed for games. The problem is when you try to sell the system without the harddrive for $299. I think the added benefit of the hard drive is definately worth $100, but why split your market up? $299 isn't even at mass market price to reach all audience.

If I had to predict the price I would say we were looking at $249 without harddrive and $349 with harddrive.

However I don't understand why MS won't just release it $399 one system with the hard drive make the money off early adopters then when the Nintendo and Sony systems are released drop the price to be more competitive. When you drop the price take Halo 2.5 off the harddrive and include it as a download game or something for an extra $25 dollars.

That would make everyone happy, early adopters, and late purchasers. Also it wouldn't split the market up.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #62 on:** May 10, 2005, 07:42:17 AM »

"Free Xbox Live weekends"

That's pretty neat though I think having the free period on weekends isn't really fair to the "Gold" users. That's kind of the peak time and I imagine the servers would be more busy as a result. So if you pay for Live shouldn't you get the best time periods for yourself? If a "Gold" player wants to play without "Silver" players eating up resources they have to limit themselves to weekdays.

In fact I don't really see many advantages to paying for the Gold service anyway. It's obviously better but it's not that much better. Personally if I bought an Xbox 360 I would just stick with the Silver package. Still I think the idea of having a barebones free service is cool but there needs to be more incentive to upgrade.

I think it's cool how access to MMOs doesn't require the Gold service. PSO on the Xbox was such BS. You had to pay for Live AND pay extra for PSO.

vudu · « **Reply #63 on:** May 10, 2005, 08:48:53 AM »

So wait, if there are only four channels (i.e. frequencies) for the wireless controllers, does this mean no Xbox 360 LAN parties?

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #64 on:** May 10, 2005, 11:11:29 AM »

Ian Sane: All MS really has to do is give Gold Members free bonus maps, and downloadable Demos and it would be worth the upgrade.

But I agree. MS needs to do something to make the upgrade worth while otherwise people will stay Silver members and then MS will once again lose a ton of money on this network.

Completely Barebones online play is what I want. I want something that connects very easily and find people for me to play simply, and pretty much thats it.

jarob · « **Reply #65 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:16:36 PM »

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
- 2 hardware threads per core
- 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
- 1 MB L2 cache

That is a very powerful CPU! 3 PowerPC cores at 3.2 GHz, and 2 threads per core? If the Revolution and PS3 will have more power, we are talking about monster consoles.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #66 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:28:12 PM »

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
The stats for the system have been leaked!!!

TeamXbox.com

2 types of Xbox Live:
Xbox Live Silver (no subscription required)
Xbox Live Gold (subscription benefits)

Features for Gold service
* Also for Silver
# Also for Offline

- Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360
- Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) *
- Free Xbox Live weekends *
- Multiplayer online gameplay
- Avatar for gamer profile * #
- Motto for gamer profile * #
- Personalized look for Xbox System Guide * #
- Offline achievments * #
- Online achievements *
- Access to other players' Gamer cards via Live *
- Cumulative gamer score * #
- Location/language profile * #
- Reputation *
- Enahnced matchmaking using above
- Skill level matchmaking
- Gameplay style profile (casual, competitive, etc.)
- Recent players list *
- Free and premium download game content *
- Free and premium downloadable movies, music, tv *
- Downloadable demos/trailers *
- Microtransactions *
- Custom playlist in every game * #
- Play music from portable devices * #
- View images from digital camera * #
- Strem media from Windows XP * #
- Interactive screen savers * #
- Track info for CDs * #
- Communication with voice, video or text *

I bolded everything you get with your Gold subscription exclusively

no multiplayer online gameplay w/o Gold subscription
does that mean you can get on LIVE for free, but you can't play anyone w/o paying to play?

wouldn't that be enough for you to upgrade your service to Gold??

Ian Sane · « **Reply #67 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:32:45 PM »

"no multiplayer online gameplay w/o Gold subscription
does that mean you can get on LIVE for free, but you can't play anyone w/o paying to play?"

I think it means that if I have a friend over and we're playing on one Xbox 360 with two controllers and I want both of us to play with my account at the same time I need to have the Gold service.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #68 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:35:16 PM »

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- Multiplayer online gameplay

Now there's some fine print for the "Silver Edition" Live users.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #69 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:58:36 PM »

No, actually, I'm pretty sure that means you can't play online without Gold.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #70 on:** May 10, 2005, 02:05:56 PM »

"I'm pretty sure that means you can't play online without Gold."

Then what does "Free Xbox Live weekends" mean? That feature makes no sense without the ability to actually play online unless you can just download stuff on weekends. The online achievements and such doesn't make much sense otherwise as well.

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #71 on:** May 10, 2005, 02:28:31 PM »

Sadly Paladin, Ian's correct on this one. I didn't think it was possible for people to use the same account to play online, but you can. So I can tell you that that's what it means

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #72 on:** May 10, 2005, 02:47:55 PM »

"Then what does "Free Xbox Live weekends" mean? That feature makes no sense without the ability to actually play online unless you can just download stuff on weekends. The online achievements and such doesn't make much sense otherwise as well."

If you think about it, why would they say Free Xbox Live weekends? They don't charge you per day... cost of weekends should make no difference, it's the availability of Live on weekends that's being touted here, not its price.

I'm interpreting this as "you can only play online on weekends if you have Silver... want to play any other day? Get Gold."

"I was just saying that free weekends makes no sense if you have to have Gold to play online."

Oh. Yeah, I guess I should have added "... except on weekends" to my comment. Sorry for the confusion.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #73 on:** May 10, 2005, 02:57:15 PM »

"I'm interpreting this as 'you can only play online on weekends if you have Silver... want to play any other day? Get Gold.'"

Yeah. That's what I interpret it as too. I was just saying that free weekends makes no sense if you have to have Gold to play online.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #74 on:** May 10, 2005, 04:44:31 PM »

WTF!

I made a topic with a link recently and now it is deleted. http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/xbox2/xbox-360-offical.html

Grant10k · « **Reply #75 on:** May 10, 2005, 07:10:40 PM »

I don't really like the reputation idea. I just want to go online and play someone, without worrying about what they think of me. If I want to play with someone trustworty, I'll play with a friend, or just deal with it.

I've had a bad experiance with reputations before. In the game C&C Generals, you have a win/loss ratio (like alot of games) but (I could be wrong about this) nearest I could tell, that was the only option, everyone can see your win/losses even if it's not a ladder game. I tried multiplayer a couple of years after the game was out so mine was 0/0 and no one wanted to play with the 'noob' because it would damage their record, nearest I could tell, the only way to play 2v2 maps in my condition was to play nothing but 1v1 maps, get good, reset my record somehow, and start again with a clean slate.

Reputations might in theory, help against annoying players and general jackasses, but it would also mean that players are less likely to hand their controller over to their friends for a couple levels. It would damage their reputation. On the other hand, it may work like the new Battlefield 2 that isn't out yet, where they praise good players, but don't punish bad players, sorta like a win/loss ratio exept without the losses counted.

Nile Boogie · « **Reply #76 on:** May 10, 2005, 07:43:54 PM »

It's crappy that it doesn't seem to be backwards compatilbe with XboX.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #77 on:** May 11, 2005, 01:08:18 AM »

MS is deviding its online community. Nintendo's online won't be so complicated.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #78 on:** May 11, 2005, 04:33:35 AM »

I am beginning to realize that Sony and Nintendo's system won't be vastly more powerful than the Xbox. Think about it. All three companies have started designing their systems at the same time. Microsoft is just launching theirs earlier. And 6 months or so is not that much more time for prices to drop and technology to jump to be vastly superior.

Unless this Sony Cell technology is light years ahead of its time all 3 systems will be similar in power.

I also wouldn't be surprised if once again MS is taking a lose on the console for a few months to make sure they at least similar technical specs to the competition.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #79 on:** May 11, 2005, 12:38:53 PM »

I've been asking questions about CELL, gpus, cpus, and ppus over at the Ask a Game Developer Club at 1up. http://askagamedeveloper-club.1up.com/do/club?Dispatch=Display&clubid=35187

They had some interesting things to say. Mostly, don't believe the hype. Sony's CELL maybe so complicated that noone will ever be able to make a clean looking game on it, in comparison to the other systems. There is more than one question on the subject, so if you're interested check previous pages there.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #80 on:** May 12, 2005, 08:31:08 AM »

I don't believe power is going to play as much of a role anymore anyway. Maybe this is just me, but I've been seeing some next-gen-ish stuff popping up over the last year...Doom 3, the new Unreal engine, that Dark Sector demo...and I'm not that impressed. They look beautiful, no doubt, but it's nothing like the last-gen transition, where the games went from looking blocky and fake to having a good degree of realism. The graphics look great, but they aren't taking my breath away like the first demos of the PS2 and GameCube did.

Now, if the leap from current-gen consoles to next-gen ones isn't even that great, then the leap between this year's console and next year's consoles is going to be even less noticeable. I think power will only matter as a bragging right. Of course, maybe I'm in the minority with the opinion that next-gen systems aren't that much better graphically. We'll see.

Edit: On the same topic, some screens of what looks like DOA4 for Xbox 360 have leaked, and are on gamesarefun right now. And a lot of people are really ticked. The game looks incrementally better than the previous DOAs, and I bet the final product will look noticeably better, but a lot of people are saying it could be done on Xbox; in fact there's some confusion if maybe it is an Xbox game, but I'm pretty sure it's 360. Decent shots, but I have to agree that they don't impress like they should.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #81 on:** May 12, 2005, 11:04:38 AM »

More console and controller pics + first pics of Ghost Recon 360

http://darkzero.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4150

translated by TXB:

Quote
Okey, so I got the magazine right here. The first details about Xbox 360 and Ghost Recon 3. I got some of the info, and I will keep updating this thread while reading.

First info for you guys:
*It will be released in europe 7 days after USA
*December release in Japan
*Its released in less than six months
*Release games: Perfect Dark Zero, PGR3 and Kameo

More to come. I got the final specs, but I Dont know if its OK to post it here? The magazine is out so.

Oh you guys... the controllers look PERFECT! And so does the console!

**EDIT**
More info:
*10-16 game titles at the release. 40 games after half a year.
*The Xbox Silver thingy is correct, it will be there, and free.
*You will be able to transfer stuff from an ipod.
*You will see TV thru your Xbox.
*It can stand up and lie down.
*When you watch DVD, some stuff in the console will automaticly shut down - so its more quiet.
*You load the batteries on the controllers up via USB-cable on Xbox. You can also use simple batteries.
*The round thingy on the controller = "The ring of light". Its actually a screen, which says if there are any updates on Xbox Live. Downl. content and such. It also says which controllers there are in your hands, which number.
*Rallisport Challenge 3 will be on Xbox 360.
*The Darkness from swedish Starbreeze (Riddick).
*Peter Moore confirms Halo 3. Release this year.

I'll wrote Ghost Recon 3-info soon. Now I'll write down Peter Moore and J Allard interview.

Allard says:
*There will be face plates, to change. There will be one in colfiber (+spelling).
*By preventing piracy they will push more and more on Xbox Live.

Peter Moore says:
(strange) *THIS time we will have more than 1 million users. Does that mean that there wont be any transfer of the Xbox 1 users? Or that there wasnt over 1 million on Xbox 1?
*Nothing new about Square, nothing to be announced @ E3. But he will be surprised if there are NO Square-game on Xbox 360.

Going for Ghost Recon 3 now. There is alot of info, and I posted the most important over. I RESERVE myself for missunderstandings, cause I'm not THAT good in danish. Just ask me and I will tell you more about it.

Ghost Recon 3:
Okey, first of all. THIS ONE LOOKS HOT. Hot. HOT. HOT. GR 360 oh man you guys.

Oh man.

*Just some info about the story, bla bla. The PC-version is developed by the Deathrow-developers, so that the Red Storm Ent. cant concentrate on the Xb 360 and Xbox-version.

________

The looks:
*Xbox 360 looks just like the leaked pictures. Its not grey like on Our Colony, its white. But it can be changed.
*The controller seems to have 2 rear buttons and 2 triggers, not sure.
*A, B, C, Y, Back, Start.
*There is a picture of "Burning Sky". Seems like you can shut down the Xbox via the controller, by pushing "X" at that screen.
*The Xbox itself has wireless network thingy installed.
*Webcam in 1280-resolution.
*You can put pictures from a digital camera in it
*It supports, the machine:
16:9
720p
1080i
5.1 Dolby Digital
Custom Soundtracks of course
20 gb of harddrive, can be upgraded
Memory card, at least 64 mb
3 USB Ports
*Morrowind Oblivion will be released this year.
*About NBA 2k6, they saw a demo of it.
"Lebron James jumped up, and when he touched the grand all of the body shook. All the muscles moved realistic, EVERYTHING on the body.
*Nothing special about PGR3.
*Gears of War to be the best looking game, for a long long time.
*Dimitri, Peter Molyneux latest game, COULD be released on Xbox 360. Rumours.
*Call Of Duty 2 on Xbox 360, as we already knew.
*The Ghost Recon 3-article is actually wroten by this TXB-dude who went to Big Blue Box to play Fable. I am really really sorry I dont remember your name.

**THATS IT** I think
I'll read thru it again and see what I've missed. I'll try to answer your questions by reading this article.

Just some final stuff:
*Something Microsoft Vision will be on Xbox 360. You will see TV on your Xbox. AND at the same time Play DVDs AND surf on the internet. At the same time?!?! wtf?
While all this you can get invites to games, friend requests, mail. MS is hoping that 50% of the 360-owners will buy Live. Right now, ~8% uses it.
*In the middle of a game, by pushing a button you will get directly to the dashboard.

Oh, and finally and most important: J Allards game of the Xbox 360 is "Fisher Price Nuclear Plant".

Oh, and of course: Thousand thanks to the magnificant (+spelling) danish magazine Gamereactor which I took the info from. They rock, and so does Nexus1000. Mostly because he is pretty. And he has Britney as an avatar. In black hair.

**EDIT again*
The final specs, I guess its OK now cause some of it has already been posted without TXB-guys deleting:

CPU:
3 x IBM Power PC 3.2 ghz

Graphics:
Specially build ATI 500 mhz
10 mb of embedded RAM
512 mb GDDR3 RAM

Polygon capacity:
500 mill/sec

Shade capacity:
48 billions shaderoperations/sec

Harddrive: 20 gb, can be upgraded
12x Dual Layer DVD
Memory Card, 64 mb+

3 USB-ports, 1 back 2 front
2 some kind of ports, dont know what it means

Ethernet-port
Preparded for Wi-fi 802.11
Prepared for webcamera (1280 resolution)

DVD-laser:
DVD-video, DVD-rom, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, Mp3 CD, JPEG Photo-CD

Streaming:
From Windows XP PC, pics and movies from digital camera which you then cand send via Xbox Live to others.

ALL, read ALL games support:
16:9, 720p, 1080i, 5.1 Dolby Digital, custom soundtracks.

more Ghost Recon 360 (bigger pics)

Some shots of Dead or Alive 4 for Xbox 360

http://gaming-age.com/news/2005/5/12-48

Savior · « **Reply #82 on:** May 12, 2005, 11:13:42 AM »

DOA doestn impress me much.... i dont know these first gen 360 games "arent" that impressive...

Sony will most certainly point this out ala Dreamcast...

TheYoungerPlumber · « **Reply #83 on:** May 12, 2005, 12:21:25 PM »

I think you're more turned off by the art direction in these games. Team Ninja seems to like its plastic-y models, and the Ghost Recon game seems a little barren. If anything, this shows that art direction will play an even bigger role compared to hardware in the next generation for good-looking games.

If every launch game looks like these, then Xbox 360 will get labeled the "dettached-looking" system, much like PS2 is the "dark-looking" system, DC is the "plastic-looking" system and GC is the "bright colors" system.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #84 on:** May 12, 2005, 12:24:56 PM »

I edited my previous post with a translation by TeamXbox of the magazine scans

Ian Sane · « **Reply #85 on:** May 12, 2005, 12:38:35 PM »

Those DOA pics look good but there's not that noticable of a jump. The edges are clearly smoother. It does look better and it does look great but not that much better. Of course DOA Ultimate looked exceptionally good in the first place so it's hard to compare things. The Ghost Recon screens look nice too but nothings wowing me. But then like TYP said I hate the art direction of games like that so it's never going to impress me.

Looking at these screens though it becomes clear to me that it's too soon for a new Xbox. It looks better but not enough to justify a new console. I have a feeling that the PS3 and Rev are going to cream this thing graphically. Retro for example will have better hardware to work with and they have AMAZING art direction.

But I'll give MS credit for giving the fans what they want. It's a lot more of the same but there's no worry that Xbox fans won't like what they're given. With Nintendo doing something supposedly different we don't know if we're going to like what they do. But then without offering anything new MS could get screwed if Nintendo's idea catches on. It's all very interesting since both companies are going with completely different strategies and realistically if one succeeds the other has a good chance failing. The approaches are so different.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #86 on:** May 12, 2005, 01:40:46 PM »

As I expected, fighting games are easily made to be pretty (very few on-screen characters, less objects that "think", and the backgrounds are mostly fluff; polygons are easy to throw around and distribute). It's also an example of how we're steadily reaching that era of "diminishing returns" in graphic quality.

Yeah, art direction is becoming more & more important as far as visual "wow" factor is concerned.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #87 on:** May 12, 2005, 02:03:46 PM »

Tetsuya Mitziguchi's Ninety Nine Nights

http://ruliweb.dreamwiz.com/data/rulinews/read.htm?num=13341

I can't read the japanese but it looks pretty expecially with that many characters on screen at once.

hows that art direction for you?

Ian Sane · « **Reply #88 on:** May 12, 2005, 02:07:35 PM »

If all those characters in Ninety Nine Nights have their own AI and don't completely wang the frame rate then I'll be impressed. Stuff like having a lot of characters on screen is the sort of advantage that can justify new hardware. Pikmin wowed me the most of the initial Cube games and it was because of all the characters on screen doing different things.

Savior · « **Reply #89 on:** May 12, 2005, 02:26:37 PM »

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think you're more turned off by the art direction in these games

No, I like Tecmo, tons, Wish they worked on Nintendo.

My point is, compare Dead or Alive 1 on the Saturn to Dead or Alive 2 on the Dreamcast, its an incredible jump.

Now compare this, to Dead or Alive Ultimate on the Xbox... Incredible jump? not so much...

Microsoft is jumping the gun on the hardware race, but if their games dont look that good then Sonys Hype Machine will smoke them real badly just like they did the inferior looking Dreamcast.

Ghost Recon 3 on the other hand looks significantly better than GR2...

Im anxiously awaiting PD Zero screens to see if ill be purchasing it, or passing.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #90 on:** May 12, 2005, 02:31:29 PM »

Ghost Recon for some reason actually looks worse to me than Republic Commando. The minor technical upgrade (main character's weapon looks nice in that one picture, and trees look pretty cool) is offset by a complete lack of artistic style.

The only difference I can see in DOA4 is the shiny pants some of the characters have.

99 nights is Riddick/Chaos Theory models, just a whole lot of them at once... I like. It seems that's all the next gen is going to be good for... generating lots of characters.

It seems to me that if you have a capable PC, all you're really getting from the Xbox 360 is more characters onscreen.

If these are exemplary of first generation X360 games, my interest is already on hold until the second generation of games.

Edit: The main character's sword clips through the ground in 99N. For some reason that thoroughly pisses me off.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #91 on:** May 12, 2005, 02:32:05 PM »

Much better. But I also share the same concerns as Ian. We may again see another division in developers' choices whether to process games at 60fps, or process at 30fps for some extra poly-uumph

[Ruliweb's in Korean, which I can't read either. I only noticed the title "ninety-nine nights" was in Japanese.]

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #92 on:** May 12, 2005, 02:39:49 PM »

Actually the graphics are really about what I expected. There is alot more detail than you first perceive. But these stills don't tell the story. It really depends how it animates. If DOA4 animates all the clothing and hair with real physics and weight (including wrinkles in the clothing) then this game's graphics are simply amazing and utterly breathtaking. If the clothes and hair only partially animated then its not quite as impressive and a total yawn.

The biggest problem with getting graphics more realistic is you begin to notice all the minor details more. The characters don't feel as real as they look. With Cartoon characters you really don't have that problem, because your brain recognises them as cartoons and forgives the flaws more.

jarob · « **Reply #93 on:** May 12, 2005, 05:23:55 PM »

Another XBox 360 game

Full Auto

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #94 on:** May 12, 2005, 06:10:23 PM »

Try not to be too impressed [/sarcasm]

Perfect Dark O screens

This looks like an Xbox 1 game, and no I'm not saying that to be mean.

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #95 on:** May 12, 2005, 06:18:37 PM »

I find the backgrounds impressive on DOA4 but just like with DOA3, I find character models disappointing. They still have that plastic doll look to them. The backgrounds on the ohter hand are very nice, lots of detail and the polygon count is obviously high. I'm sure it will look impressive in motion but I concur with the line of thinking posed here. With the X-box being the most powerful of the current generation and the 360 being the weakest of the next gen its gonna definately make PS3 and Rev more impressive by default.

Nile Boogie · « **Reply #96 on:** May 12, 2005, 06:36:26 PM »

After watching that Mtv XboX360 special I must that I'm not in the least bit wowed by the hardware. True indeed, the games look better but really I feel so underwhelmed by the whole thing. Graphics really have reached the point of the second option, maybe even 4th(Gameplay, Art direction, Sound then Graphics). The best looking Game was Need For Speed which looked totally CG and smooth but that damned PD0, in motion looked A$$Nasty Boo&Hiss I say. Had my hopes up for that and proceeded to get crushed under the weight of disappointment. PS3/Rev will blow this thing out the water no doubt about it.

BigJim · « **Reply #97 on:** May 12, 2005, 06:54:58 PM »

They must have had less than 5 actual minutes of gameplay on the show. So that was lame.

They didn't discuss the hardware at all. Just showed it on a stage, talked about Live, some very brief demo reels, and then did a playoff with PD0... If PD0 is going to be their big launch title, then I'm underwhelmed. Honestly.

Some of the games look great though, particularly Madden and most of the racers. There were also several that looked like current generation games too.

All in all this was no big deal. Sony and Nintendo don't have to "match" this unveiling since it was 80% fluff. They could safely wait for E3 and be no worse off. This was nothing more than a tiny preview with little substance.

Artimus · « **Reply #98 on:** May 12, 2005, 06:57:38 PM »

It was an absolutely TERRIBLE show. I hope the producer loses their job, because that was crap.

All they basically gave for actual info was what the system looked like. They didn't actually discuss the new Live, the controller (!!!!!), the never give us a good look at the system, they barely showed any games...I don't get why they even bothered paying for it. It was a total wash...

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #99 on:** May 12, 2005, 07:06:20 PM »

I haven't even seen the show yet (its only 9:00 pst), but after seeing apparently more leaked info on the internet than they even bother to show in their multi-million dollar MTV advertising campaign, I can definately say I not even interested in watching anymore, with saves me from having to subjecct myself to MTV brainwashing.

BTW.....

Xbox 360 game trailers on MTV.com

Full Auto
Condemned
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland - THUG??
Need for Speed: Most Wanted - best looking racer yet
Madden NFL 06 - looks good for a cut scene
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 - same with this one
The Darkness - ..........
Call of Duty 2 - haven't I seen this before?
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 3 - hmmmpfff
Kameo: Elements of Power - well....... it looks better now that it did on GC 5 years ago
Quake 4 - another upgrade...
NBA 2k6 - if the whole game loos like that

Saints Row - no comment
Gears of War - looks crazy
Project Gotham Racing 3 - looks good but not as good as NfS

Not really sure what I expected the 'Next Generation' to look like, but I actually expected more than this. I hope its just because no one is really using complete sdk's and 2nd gen titles looks leaps and bounds better.

Shift Key · « **Reply #100 on:** May 12, 2005, 09:49:53 PM »

Blollin' at this comment from someone at the MTV unveiling:

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Eight games were shown -- seven viewable, one playable. Perfect Dark Zero was the only playable title, and it was underwhelming, looking early, dark, and chugging at under 20 FPS

IGNxbox are all over this, so hit them up if you want to see more.
Side note: its basically what all the rumours have been like. No real suprises apart from that comment above.

BigJim · « **Reply #101 on:** May 12, 2005, 10:09:47 PM »

I guess this is what Nintendo means when they said beefed up graphics weren't going to be enough. I'm all for high-def games, but bringing current high-end PC-quality graphics to the TV really isn't impressive anymore.

Funny, usually when Nintendo downplays the competition, they're stretching a little (they publically berated DVD playback at first). But they seem to be right this time.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #102 on:** May 12, 2005, 10:19:47 PM »

Here is a game that looks good (another racer)

Test Drive: Unlimited - juex-france.com

More pics of Gears of War

Pic 1 - Game Informer.com

Pic 2 - Game Informer.com

Savior · « **Reply #103 on:** May 12, 2005, 10:42:54 PM »

Oh noooes
!

360 ton!

Quote
With publishers like Electronic Arts, Activision Inc., Microsoft Game Studios, Ubisoft, Tecmo®, and Square/Enix

Famicom · « **Reply #104 on:** May 12, 2005, 10:46:43 PM »

Some of the editors on Gamespot in a blowout feature have discussed what they think about Xbox 360 at this point. Many of the concerns reflect the same things we've been talking about here, only a tad less harsh.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #105 on:** May 12, 2005, 10:49:24 PM »

A video leak from our Colony?

Xbox360 shown from all angels and explained in detail (not too deep)

The Colony <-- 750k autoplay

way better promo than the crap that was on MTV last nite, and it also didn't show any games

also....

Hands on w/ the Xbox 360 controller

GameSpot.com

Famicom · « **Reply #106 on:** May 12, 2005, 11:01:59 PM »

Way better indeed. A little heavy on the technobabble, but as a whole it exudes "fun" over "flash". If I had saw that BEFORE the MTV presentation I would have been probably more optimistic about the 360. But still, going off of that and everything else I learned today I'm still not buying into it.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #107 on:** May 12, 2005, 11:42:28 PM »

About Gears of War...

Isn't this the same game that appeared in IGN's article about SK using the Unreal Engine 3? Looking at the Gears of War screens a couple posts above, I can't readily accept those as 360 screenshots given what we've seen from Doa4, Ghost Recon, and Ninety-nine Nights, Full Auto, Kameo, and Condemned (i'll disregard PerfectDumpZero for now).

from the SK article
I think this is running off the Unreal Engine 3, tooled for PC (since Gears of War is also in-dev for PC), and not necessarily 360.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #108 on:** May 13, 2005, 12:15:30 AM »

Man, PDZero looks like ass. Kameo could have been done on the Cube.

HD revolution my ass.

The controller is just an improved version of current generation controllers. Why are they not thinking about doing something original and inspirational. At least as an option. They don't even have one track ball or scroll wheel. The shoulder buttons can not be used comfortably along with the triggers at the same time (the digital buttons should have been scroll wheels and there should have been a set of middle finger digital buttons beneath the triggers so that all functions could be used at maximum efficiency). Why in god's name do they need a dpad for next generation games?

I hope Nintendo's controller takes a crap all over the Xbox360's controller.

Is anyone here going to pay $360 for "better graphics" and more potential power not shown in games for two years. Seventy dollar games? Standard LIVE support? Non standard harddrive? We havn't even seen the best looking games of current generation hardware yet. What about Collosus on PS2, Zelda on Cube, Conker on Xbox? MS is abandoning their current fanbase looking to claim the gamers they failed to reach with the first Xbox, the PS2 gamers. MS must feel it is the right time to intice them, but I think it will all prove too early and rushed, and E3 will show to be a microcosm of how this next war will play out. MS shows their goods days before E3 and then E3 arrives and Nintendo and Sony cover MS up like cat poop in the litter box. Did MS name this console after the outrageous price the early launch will cause or the $360 million dollars they obviously wasted on RARE. PDZero has been in development for like five years on three consoles and it looks soulless. It makes Dark Sector on the PS3 look great.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #109 on:** May 13, 2005, 02:13:49 AM »

More Games.....

Frame City - Namco

Frame City - official site

Lost Odyssey

Famitsu.com

KDR_11k · « **Reply #110 on:** May 13, 2005, 02:59:20 AM »

An oppinion from an EA guy over here:

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The really dumb thing about this is, I still don't really know what the true capabilities of the hardware are. Because most of the stuff shown here is bullshit.

*Most* of the imagery here is from software that's allready in development for the PC, and will be convenient to port to 360, and the remainder is lies. Like the Madden video, or this 'shot' from PGR3

So there's in my humble opinion very little here that is is media truly taken from 360 hardware.

Even If some of it is genuinely 360 software, most of it is dull as dishwater. I'm so disheartened by this industry right now.

Mario · « **Reply #111 on:** May 13, 2005, 03:48:32 AM »

Wow.. i'm speechless after reading that. Even someone from EA is sick of the direction the industry is heading, this is good news for Revolution, if it is infact a breathe of fresh air, every developer in the world would want to develop games for it.

You know what I think is hilarious? Starfox Adventures looks better than Perfect Dark Zero.

Artimus · « **Reply #112 on:** May 13, 2005, 05:00:14 AM »

Mario, don't exaggerate. PD0 looks great.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #113 on:** May 13, 2005, 07:27:56 AM »

"The controller is just an improved version of current generation controllers."

That's good. Controllers are supposed to be function not original. MS saw what worked with the Xbox controller and changed a few thing to try to improve it. Having a d-pad is good because digital control is not inferior to analog control. It's just a different way to play. And what do you need scrollwheels and junk for?

Adding new options is good but removing existing ones is bad. If the d-pad is gone I don't care what's added instead, the controller is junk because it can't play older style games. It's inflexible and thus is worthless as a controller. In order for Nintendo's controller to take a crap on the 360 controller it has to have what the 360 has plus more. If it's just different it won't be better. In fact it could be worse if it's too different.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #114 on:** May 13, 2005, 10:07:11 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"The controller is just an improved version of current generation controllers."

That's good. Controllers are supposed to be function not original. MS saw what worked with the Xbox controller and changed a few thing to try to improve it. Having a d-pad is good because digital control is not inferior to analog control. It's just a different way to play. And what do you need scrollwheels and junk for?

Adding new options is good but removing existing ones is bad. If the d-pad is gone I don't care what's added instead, the controller is junk because it can't play older style games. It's inflexible and thus is worthless as a controller. In order for Nintendo's controller to take a crap on the 360 controller it has to have what the 360 has plus more. If it's just different it won't be better. In fact it could be worse if it's too different.

I know where you're coming from with the functionality issue, but it is seperate from the reason they kept the basic design of the SNES controller. A more advanced controller can do nothing but be more functional than present designs. For example, even if they kept the traditional face buttons and dpad, didn't make the "360 button" a track ball with digital clicking, and didn't make middle finger buttons so we could use the shoulder functions for without having to use our middle fingers on the trigger for anymore than a second. Even if they did all that and just added a scroll wheel with a digital clicking either above the trigger on each side or between the middle finger button and the trigger like a traditionally positioned mouse wheel. It would make gaming much more fluid. The options opened by having two extra shoulder buttons that can scroll are many. You can scroll through menus deciding what weapon you want before clicking on it. You can rotate the camera with on button. They could be made double functioning using the clicking in other games. If the wheels where big enough you could just combine the trigger with the wheel so there are fewer buttons to keep up with.

A trackball offers the option for mouse control. It is basically the same control you would get from using a real gyro inside of a controller or helmet. You wouldn't have to manually move the ball inside the device because uses its technology to glide along inside the confines of the gear. A track ball requires you to operate it with you thumb. It would be best if MS at least offered one option to compete with what Nintendo's controller might do.

Nintendo might use up to three gyros, or haptics, or gyros and haptics. They may put a track ball with digital clicking on each side of the controller. There are plenty of innovations that can be made to the controller. MS just is not thinking, or their just thinking like Sony.

Also, I like that even the people EA are tired of where things are going.

And PDZero should be better looking for a game that has been in development for five years.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #115 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:03:55 PM »

I really think people are overacting about the PDZero graphics. Most likely these are place holder graphics put in an unfinished game. Perfect Dark will be have better graphics, but right now Microsoft just needs a really fun game to demo at E3 that says. We have your next Halo fix right here, and it will rock your world.

I do agree with Nemo that with each generation you really need to try and advance the controller. Specially when you aren't providing a graphical step like the 3D generation did. A controller advancement would allow games to feel new and special again for your system.

Savior · « **Reply #116 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:16:14 PM »

Most likely these are place holder graphics put in an unfinished game

Can they fix the graphics in 3 months? to something that actually looks next gen?

I wont even get to the gameplay argument....

PD looks like a FLop

Ian Sane · « **Reply #117 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:31:17 PM »

"Can they fix the graphics in 3 months?"

Possibly. Halo was reportedly a huge disappointment at E3 2001. I think it had a really crappy frame rate. But Bungie busted their ass and delivered one the most popular games for this generation. At E3 2001 I thought the Xbox had no chance but they really turned things around in time for launch so you never know.

Though I don't think Rare is the kind of company to both get something ready for launch AND fix it up. They've got the talent but they lack the efficiency.

Savior · « **Reply #118 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:40:37 PM »

This game has been in development longer than Halo was... i think.... I doubt they get a radical graphics upgrade by the time they need to test for bugs.

and remember this is the "killer app" if its not done in time, then the Xbox is DOA

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #119 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:45:50 PM »

Rumor has it that MS doesn't have full development kits out yet, and most sdk's only have two processors.

most of the games displayed for Xbox 360 were actually running from the PC build of the game

and PD0 was running off of an incomplete SDK w/ only 2 processors (possibly G5's) & thats why it was only running @ 15fps

Makes you wonder why they even bothered if they didn't really have anything to show.......

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #120 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:55:26 PM »

If PD0 is currently running with restrictions, and has been in-dev for 3 consoles, fine.

But Kameo has been in-dev for a comparable period and it doesn't seem to make a significant visual jump either.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #121 on:** May 13, 2005, 05:33:47 PM »

RARE doesn't even have dev kits yet? This system is going to bring new meaning to the word rushed.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #122 on:** May 13, 2005, 07:38:40 PM »

Microsoft admits to using G5 Macs to run demos

News.com

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The nifty clips of video games supporting Microsoft's new Xbox 360 console are running on Apple machines, Microsoft confirmed on Friday.

"We purchased a number of Apple G5's because very specific hardware components of the G5 allow developers to emulate some of the technology behind future Xbox products and services," a Microsoft spokesperson said in a statement. "This is an interim development tool that will be replaced with a more powerful and comprehensive solution later."

The current systems shown at product introductions are prototypes. Final systems are expected to come out in all three major regions--North America, Europe and Asia--by the end of the year.

I beleive that it was also rumored that MS stated that if the devs could get their demo's running @ 15-20 fps it should run on Xbox 360 @ 60fps w/ no problems.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #123 on:** May 13, 2005, 07:45:19 PM »

I knew it. This coupled with the 2/3 processors and generic ATI card thing mean that PD0 will be a whole lot more impressive graphically.

Artistically, though... Rare better get its ass in gear.

And there's always the question of: why the hell did MS use such asinine timing? Are they really that desperate to get to the party before Sony and Nintendo that they show up without any pants on? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

OptimusPrime · « **Reply #124 on:** May 14, 2005, 12:38:24 AM »

Right... and i thaught official Xbox360 dev kits where out a looong time... what's next? After all the NDA's drop developers start talking that only Nintendo had finished dev-kits delivered to them and that they were way ahead of schedule and have been playing mind-games with everyone?

That would rule actually...

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #125 on:** May 14, 2005, 11:22:15 AM »

More pics of Perfect Dark 0

Perfect Dark pic 1

Perfect Dark pic 2

Perfect Dark pic 3

Perfect Dark pic 4

these shots look a little better that previous ones, especially the first one

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #126 on:** May 14, 2005, 11:24:23 AM »

The graphics certainly do look better, but the character design makes me want to hurl.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #127 on:** May 14, 2005, 11:41:57 AM »

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
More pics of Perfect Dark 0

Perfect Dark pic 1

Perfect Dark pic 2

Perfect Dark pic 3

Perfect Dark pic 4

these shots look a little better that previous ones, especially the first one

Pic #1 looks like another ARTWORK RENDER.

Pic #3 looks like another THIS IS WHAT 360 COULD BE LIKE WHILE THE GAME IS STILL RUNNING ON AN APPLE G5.

Pics #2,4 look like the only credible gameplay shots, shown at universally standard operating resolution of 640x480 (likely to still cater to standard, non-HD TV setups (like, if you don't have a component cable yet)).

So considering what we've seen since Thursday, what am I supposed to believe?

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #128 on:** May 14, 2005, 11:54:02 AM »

some more suff.................

Blue Dragon - juexfrance.com

and here is a video presentation of

Blue Dragon & Lost Odyssey < direct link to vid

Blue Dragon & Lost Odyssey < indirect link to vid

And here are some more pics of PGR3

2 screen shots and a box art

Artimus · « **Reply #129 on:** May 14, 2005, 12:15:13 PM »

PD0 will be a beautiful game, it will be a good game.

Why would we doubt that?

OptimusPrime · « **Reply #130 on:** May 14, 2005, 12:53:48 PM »

Anyone noticed that in screen 1 Joanna looks like a giant... compare her shadow to the tree and it's shadow... i think someone at Rare messed with the scale of the models. And everything has this Riddick kind of plastic look. Maybe it's true that artstyle will be way more important then ever before.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #131 on:** May 14, 2005, 04:01:18 PM »

Some screens of Kameo:

Kameo: Elements of Power

Deguello · « **Reply #132 on:** May 14, 2005, 04:09:20 PM »

I believe those new PDZero shots are from an old build of the game. That would explain the incongruency between the two "versions" so to speak.

Artimus · « **Reply #133 on:** May 14, 2005, 04:18:59 PM »

The Kameo character is (and has been since day one) so devoid of any personality...

Savior · « **Reply #134 on:** May 14, 2005, 04:51:10 PM »

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Why would we doubt that?

because all the talent in Rare left? the real talent is in companies like Free Radical and Zoonami?

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #135 on:** May 14, 2005, 05:25:13 PM »

"because all the talent in Rare left? the real talent is in companies like Free Radical and Zoonami?"

I heard just two people from the original PD team left, actually. Try again.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #136 on:** May 14, 2005, 05:44:17 PM »

Two people from the original PD team left to form Zoonami alone...I'm not sure about how many from Free Radical are from Rare outside "Dr. Doak"...

Arbok · « **Reply #137 on:** May 14, 2005, 05:53:13 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Two people from the original PD team left to form Zoonami alone...I'm not sure about how many from Free Radical are from Rare outside "Dr. Doak"...

That's what I heard as well, the two figure was attached to the Zoonami aspect of it. I'm sure there are more in Free Radical and even more that have left on their own accord, not to mention that many more people were hired at Rare to dilute the talent that still is there now.

I'm not saying Perfect Dark Zero is going to be a mediocore game going from what little we know, but more evidence does seem to point to that than that this one will meet the level of the N64 offering.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #138 on:** May 14, 2005, 07:10:40 PM »

I have to say that those new shots seem more likely to be real game shots of PD0. I think the first one looks like a cinema shot, but I think it is using the realtime graphics. I am not blown away by the new shots, but I am definately pleased, and I have new faith in the project.

I don't care if the original team is gone. The original team left enough blue prints to make a great sequel, and with online play Perfect Dark can beat out Halo 2 as the best multiple player experience ever. Which, isn't that hard, because Halo 2 really isn't that great to me.

I hope they include all the original levels from Perfect Dark, so we can relive our favorite moments.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #139 on:** May 14, 2005, 07:34:46 PM »

"Halo 2 as the best multiple player experience ever."

AGH!

*Gouges eyes out*

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #140 on:** May 14, 2005, 08:20:43 PM »

Paladin: If you look you will notice I agree. I hate Halo 2. However, there are several, several people that disagree. Halo is slow, and the total feel of the game isn't intense or exciting.

However, I also can not deny that it is one of the most loved and played online games right now. Perfect Dark should be infinately better....IF they get it right. I think they will.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #141 on:** May 14, 2005, 08:52:54 PM »

Same team or not, that doesn't mean jack. Any team can be replaced by similarily skilled people, the grunts have no input on the game anyway. The critical part is the leadership and management. Management can screw up any game with stupid demands and the best grunts couldn't stop it. Leadership determines where the focus is, what decisions are made, etc. If the project leader decides "Hey, Halo is cool so let's have tons of identical rooms and little kamikaze enemies! Oh and get that unified ammo system everybody loves from DXIW!" there's nothing to stop them from turning the game into the next Daikatana. They have new leaders on the project. The game WILL be different unless those leaders have VERY high skill. Considering what we heard so far their new leadership also seems unexperienced (unless MS went in and fired the deadwood). Expect a game made with no understanding what made the first one great and little thought put into the game mechanics.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #142 on:** May 14, 2005, 10:09:28 PM »

Here is a reallygood screen shot from PGR3

Click HERE

it almost looks real

And one more pic from

Gears of War

I hope GoW looks like that in real time w/ multiple enemies on the screen.

Test Drive Unlimited gameplay video:

E3 2005 Gameplay Footage - TXB

TheYoungerPlumber · « **Reply #143 on:** May 14, 2005, 11:47:16 PM »

I've always thought that racing games involving real cars are the easiest games to make look real: they feature almost exclusively man-made machines that are supposed to look artificial. GT4 looks close to real, so simulation racers are no good at measuring the power of the next gen (or even the current gen). The buildings look nice--but not real.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #144 on:** May 15, 2005, 12:00:49 AM »

Apparently all of those old Enreal Engine 3 screens that were being passed around as concept art are really from Gears of War

http://xbox.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140530

One more pic

And here is another PD0 screen

http://www.1up.com/media?id=1882569&type=lg

And here are some screens from

Quake 4

Also, a bunch of E3 2k5 trailers @ gametrailers.com

Condemned & Full Auto

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #145 on:** May 15, 2005, 11:40:58 AM »

Here is the first pic of

The Godfather for Xbox 360

if that is a gameplay pic then at least this game will look great

and.....
The Xbox 360 dashboard visualization modules

HERE

Bill Gates and his Xbox 360 have now made the cover of

TIME Magazine + Audio Commentary of the screen shots released

Commentary on:
Gears of War
Call of Duty 2 *new screen*
Ghost Recon 3
Kameo *new screen*
PGR 3
Quake 4 *new screen?*
The Godfather
Tiger Woods PGA 2006 *new screen*
Xbox LIVE *new screen*
& The Xbox 360

and a rumor?

Duke Nukem Forever on Xbox 360 - 03/05/2006

Also an article with Peter Moore
1up.com

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That means launch titles like Rare's Perfect Dark Zero, a shooter that's already up and running with 64 players online. "Before Christmas, at Rare, 54 of us were in a game," Moore claims. "It would have been 64 but we couldn't find another 10 people."

Rare's fantasy action-adventure Kameo .........
now massive melees with more than 2,000 creatures on-screen, each driven by its own individual AI.

Project Gotham Racing 3, "150,000 people can enter an interactive World Cup a year out, and it'll be whittled down to two guys," Moore predicts. "And then they'll play eight o'clock Wednesday night in Barcelona, and we can all log in and watch."

2000 creatures on screen w/ individual AI routines = me impressed, now if they only didn't all look alike

Renny · « **Reply #146 on:** May 15, 2005, 02:59:02 PM »

Xbox360: the friendly console. Not effeminate, just friendly.™

Galford · « **Reply #147 on:** May 15, 2005, 03:58:01 PM »

In my opinion all PD needs a new story/weapons with a massive graphics update. The game play of PD is the direct decendant of Goldeneye, it doesn't need to change much.

Here's some geek trivia...
Why is Joanna Dark called "Perfect Dark"? There is a reason...

IceCold · « **Reply #148 on:** May 15, 2005, 05:37:17 PM »

It's her codename...She beat all the training score records and was labelled "perfect"

KDR_11k · « **Reply #149 on:** May 15, 2005, 11:32:56 PM »

I wonder if that "Dark" name was chosen because it sounds like "D'Arc"? I'm sure Brecht named his Joanna Dark character like that.

BTW, Jeff Minter finished something for the XBox 360. The system is going to fail horribly. Hell, he almost killed Nintendo this gen!

(since most here won't get it, Jeff Minter has produced games only for systems that failed. NGage-failed.)

couchmonkey · « **Reply #150 on:** May 16, 2005, 06:22:46 AM »

Wow, sounds like Microsoft really has its work cut out for it. This could definitely wind up being a DS-style launch, methinks, and that would probably be a very bad thing for Microsoft. I'll be interested to hear impressions of the system from E3.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #151 on:** May 16, 2005, 11:49:53 AM »

I got some more videos MTV Xbox 360

Ruliweb.Dreamwizcom

video 1 = Perfect Dark MTV

video 2 = MTV X360 presentation intro

Video 3 = ? haven't watched yet

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #152 on:** May 16, 2005, 01:10:54 PM »

THQ announces "The Outfit", a "WWII squad-based action game" developed by Relic Entertainment, for Xbox 360: Gamespot.com

"(E3-PR) 2k Sports Lineup 5 Xbox 360 games (Amped 3, Top Spin 2, NBA/NHL 2k6, etc)": gamespot.com
another link

"Dead Rising" , a "horror-action game" by Keiji Inafune (creator of Onimusha) is coming to Xbox 360: GameSpot.com
another link

Galford · « **Reply #153 on:** May 16, 2005, 04:45:51 PM »

Very good IceCold...

So my questions is what's the story of PD0?
Technically, PD was Joanna Dark's first real mission.

Artimus · « **Reply #154 on:** May 16, 2005, 05:19:17 PM »

MS's conference is in 10 minutes, it's streaming live at Xbox.com. I'll watch it, because I've never seen one live. Then we all get to see Nintendo's tomorrow

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #155 on:** May 16, 2005, 06:03:43 PM »

Meh... I watched the conference for a while then closed the window.

After Sony's conference, Microsoft's just completely fails to impress.

I can't shake the feeling that the PS3 is a better X360, except for the controller. I can't think of a reason to choose the X360 now. They're going in the exact same direction as Sony but they're just doing it worse.

Once again, this comes down to Sony Vs. Nintendo for me.

Savior · « **Reply #156 on:** May 16, 2005, 07:11:08 PM »

Microsoft didnt show their Killer App at all... No PD

Wonder if the playable demos will be on the floor? Or will Microsoft run to take em out?

Square Enix news means they have a shot in Japan though

Artimus · « **Reply #157 on:** May 16, 2005, 07:12:37 PM »

I can't believe they didn't even show PD0!!

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #158 on:** May 16, 2005, 07:15:55 PM »

Xbox 360 = DOA (dead on arrival)?

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #159 on:** May 16, 2005, 07:16:33 PM »

I could sit through Sony's bar graphs, and MS's talk of non-gamers, and innovative paradigm shifts made me want to hurl.

"WTF this is all teh FMV in the game!"
"Yeah, now buying it's pointless."

butchered quote, but best of the night

Artimus · « **Reply #160 on:** May 16, 2005, 07:16:50 PM »

No...it'll sell really well. The PS3 isn't very impressive right now either...

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #161 on:** May 16, 2005, 07:24:55 PM »

Huh... are you guys kidding? No PD0?

It better be on the showfloor then.

Savior · « **Reply #162 on:** May 16, 2005, 07:25:59 PM »

Everything on the PS3 blew away graphically what the 360 did except GOW, and the PD Flop? Nintendo has a big time opportunity tomorow. Both companies fumbled the ball

Mario · « **Reply #163 on:** May 16, 2005, 07:28:08 PM »

Hahaha, very butchered KN, you ruined it

ONE BILLION! Microsoft expect Xbox 360 to reach 1 billion users, that's hilarious.

Galford · « **Reply #164 on:** May 16, 2005, 07:28:37 PM »

Everyone talks about the FF7 demo on PS3, but at MS's conference Square showed a customized demo that wasn't too bad.

I missed the Sony conference, but so far I like what MS is showing more then Sony. At least MS is showing a lot more original stuff. The stuff shown at MS's conference looked at lot better then the stuff shown at the MTV special.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #165 on:** May 16, 2005, 09:18:34 PM »

DOA 4 pics

Xbox360

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #166 on:** May 16, 2005, 09:26:51 PM »

Someone'll be hard at work at cracking the game and enabling "noody" mode once it comes out.

That did not come out right.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #167 on:** May 16, 2005, 10:00:08 PM »

Nope, Ninjahackers got sued out of existence by Tecmo for doing that. Don't expect anyone to try that again.

Mario · « **Reply #168 on:** May 16, 2005, 10:18:31 PM »

Dead or Alive 4 could be done on the original Xbox... Xbox 360 is depressing.

Mario · « **Reply #169 on:** May 17, 2005, 12:14:23 AM »

IGN are hinting Perfect Dark Zero has been cancelled

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614988p1.html

Dryden · « **Reply #170 on:** May 17, 2005, 12:40:01 AM »

That's incredible that Microsoft would sack what they were toting just a week ago as their killer ap. Not at E3, eh? Poor Rare.
But if you think that the 360 is going to be DOA without that launching killer ap... this hasn't been true. There's still no killer app for the DS, and it's outpacing the PSP (by a slim margin). What the 360 misses in quality, they'll make up for in quantity - 20-25 games in the first 90 days isn't bad.

Besides, they're an American based company - and do you know what Americans choose as their favorite games?

Crap - ignore the rest of that post and look at the Nintendo Revolution. Just hit IGN.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #171 on:** May 17, 2005, 01:00:55 AM »

Now that is small & sexy!!!

but I don't like the small white stand. it doesn't go with the system

nemo_83 · « **Reply #172 on:** May 17, 2005, 01:43:14 AM »

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Originally posted by: Mario
IGN are hinting Perfect Dark Zero has been cancelled

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614988p1.html

MS is dead meat.

Savior · « **Reply #173 on:** May 17, 2005, 10:24:01 AM »

Word is its not canceled, just "Delayed" seems like 360 Lacks its only Killer App and thus i wont be purchasing it....

Dreamcasto 2 here we come

couchmonkey · « **Reply #174 on:** May 17, 2005, 11:05:08 AM »

Judging by what we saw of PD0 so far, and the massively negative reaction from the internet, I'm not surprised it's being delayed. That sucks for Microsoft, but who's to say there couldn't be another killer app? I mean, everyone is talking about Gears of War, just hype it up in PD0's place. Still, things are not great for MS right now, I think.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #175 on:** May 17, 2005, 11:49:30 AM »

i wouldnt be surprised if the new xbox flops

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #176 on:** May 17, 2005, 01:53:00 PM »

Well a port of FF:XI has been announced so im sure someone on this board will be happy about that*cough cough palezero cough cough*

King of Twitch · « **Reply #177 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:05:23 PM »

"A slot on the podium underneath the display showed an Xbox 360 chassis, powered and glowing, but they were there for show only. Plainly visible behind vented grates were a pair of Power Mac G5s side-by-side, doing the real work."

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/mc/20050520/tc_mc/e3powermacsrunxbox360demos

Can anyone that went there confirm seeing it?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #178 on:** May 21, 2005, 10:53:34 PM »

No but from what I heard the game developers have confirmed that these were running on macs or in some cases (EA's games) were even prerendered.

Sir_Stabbalot · « **Reply #179 on:** May 22, 2005, 05:28:37 AM »

How long has PD0 been in development? Five years? Microsoft might as well kill off Rare. They aren't doing it any good.

Artimus · « **Reply #180 on:** May 22, 2005, 05:36:16 AM »

All the hands on impressions of PD0 completely negate the shots. They claim its beautiful and amazing to play.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #181 on:** May 22, 2005, 06:56:30 AM »

Of course, almost all professional websites out there claimed the X360 was well received.

News:

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