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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 06:19:45 AM
2 Resumes were found on LinkedIn that have referenced PSP2. the first is from a Game Developer and the second from someone who is a casting assistant, likely for their E3 Conference ad or a TV commercial.
Quote from: linkedin.com
Director AtomFire Productions
(Entertainment industry)
August 2008 — Present (1 year 9 months)
AtomFire Productions Ltd (AtomFire) is a privately owned company specialising in the development of video games. We create turnkey solutions for publishers creating original concepts and IP, or working with brands such as Delia Smith, Annabel Karmel and Dorling Kindersley. AtomFire's management are a highly experienced team who focus on excellent gameplay, quality of experience and rapid development - providing the best service for our clients. Our aim is to produce fun, profitable games, with high production values and minimum fuss. Our core team has over 40 years experience of developing top-quality interactive entertainment. AtomFire Productions undertakes games and interactive entertainment projects for high-end web, DS and DSi, Wii, PSP, PSP2, PlayStation Network, Xbox LIVE Arcade, WiiWare, iPhone and Windows. You can trust us with your projects.
I was already pretty sure that we would see it at E3 and this only strengthens that feeling. So now it's time to speculate on what it will be and why would we want it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 02, 2010, 06:29:20 AM
UMD 2 Prettier graphics Joystick that doesn't hurt your thumb Innovative feature like dual screen because Sony is the innovator.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: D_Average on April 02, 2010, 11:31:51 AM
It better have trophies yo
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 02, 2010, 12:11:34 PM
Who cares? The PSP Go was an abysmal failure, I'm pretty sure Sony has just about completely lost the handheld market. Even if the PSP still sells decently, nobody is actually buying games for it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 01:46:11 PM
Well here are the rumors (for those that care):
It will either also be a phone or have a phone version (mentioned by Pres. of Sony/Ericcson)
Accelerometers/Gyros inside
PowerVR graphics chip (SGX535MPorSGX543) in a multi-core setup (x4 has been mentioned)
Capacitive Touch Screen
Dual Analog
To be revealed at E3 2010 and released this Fall
Here is what was possible, but may not actually be rumors:
PSPgo form factor
Lots of internal memory (32gb and up)
HD resolution (atleast 720p)
TVout (likely mini hdmi)
Multi-touch screen
Wireless N support
Dual Screens
Blue tooth for sixaxis/ds3 support
And Sony said it's not 3D and they wouldn't be pursuing that anytime soon.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 02, 2010, 02:27:42 PM
All of those features would be impressive if the 3DS didn't have 3D support, but since it does the PSP2 is going to look as backwards the next generation as the PSP was in this gen. Maybe even more so.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Pale on April 02, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
Are you serious with that Chozo?
I really don't want to sound mean, but in a world where those rumored specs are true, and the 3DS doesn't stand up to them in any way, how will the sole fact that it has some sort of 3D tech make up for it?
I love Nintendo's games. I love them more than any other games. But I'm sick to death of having to feel like I'm playing them in a time machine.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: vudu on April 02, 2010, 02:52:20 PM
I really don't want to sound mean, but in a world where those rumored specs are true, and the 3DS doesn't stand up to them in any way, how will the sole fact that it has some sort of 3D tech make up for it?
I love Nintendo's games. I love them more than any other games. But I'm sick to death of having to feel like I'm playing them in a time machine.
Super duper graphics have never interested me much on handhelds, in fact my favorite games utilized 2D on the DS. If it has GC level capabilities, or even slightly below I'll be fine, though even then I'll worry games will go the way of the PSP where 3D games dominated. The only 3D I'm interested in is to to see the true 3D visuals put out by the 3DS. I'm vastly more excited for a system that is trying something new, then one that is a graphic upgrade with some bells and whistles attached.
Price is also a big factor, you can complain all you want but chances are the 3DS will be vastly cheaper then the new PSP.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 02, 2010, 03:44:00 PM
I really don't want to sound mean, but in a world where those rumored specs are true, and the 3DS doesn't stand up to them in any way, how will the sole fact that it has some sort of 3D tech make up for it?
I love Nintendo's games. I love them more than any other games. But I'm sick to death of having to feel like I'm playing them in a time machine.
The PSP's specs wipe the floor with the DS's specs...
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 04:00:11 PM
What's the word on game media? UMD? Download-only? Something else?
I have no idea. After the failure that was PSPgo, I doubt Sony would go with a DD only PSP2, but with the relative bomb of UMD as a media format, I'm not sure if they would hold onto that just for Backwards Compatibilities sake.
I really don't think Sony would want to invent another new format just for PSP2 since they don't exactly have a good track record with that, but something not as power hungry as UMD yet as durable as Solid State would be a move in the right direction. Maybe reconfiguring the UMD drive to do partial installs and load everything else into RAM so that it's not a power drain would solve the problem, but really, who knows.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 02, 2010, 04:10:49 PM
PSP2 will cut into PS3's sales.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 04:38:31 PM
But they were just starting to pick up.... :( Poor Sony. Maybe They can market Move as a PSP2 killer and prevent it from taking it's marketshare.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Stogi on April 02, 2010, 05:22:45 PM
Throw all the specs you want at me, but its the battery life I'm wondering about. It is, afterall, a handheld.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 02, 2010, 05:36:59 PM
That will be one power hungry beast if that possible list materializes on the final product. And it would cost a LOT of money. Given the PS3's rough start with its behemoth hardware and high price combo, I doubt they will play the same game again, especially when they don't have the advantage of being the market leader straight up like they did with the home console market.
And Sony said it's not 3D and they wouldn't be pursuing that anytime soon.
I wouldn't believe that for a second. I'm with chozo on this one. Sony knows very well that the handheld market doesn't revolve around horsepower and display capabilities. That was the PSP's trump card. Yet compared to the DS it didn't do too well. But here Nintendo announce a system with all the things that made the DS a success (presumably), a good amount of power under the bonnet, 3D display and a cheaper price point. Sony don't really have a footing to compete with it. People will see the 3D and forget about the PSP2.
Sure, PSP2 will more than likely be HD, but thats it. As GP said, it will be nothing more than a portable PS3 and the PSP all over again. Nintendo's handhelds always differentiated themselves from the consoles. If the PSP2 is revealed with a 3D screen I will not be surprised at all.
If the 3G business happens, then it will be a direct competitor to the Iphone.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 05:49:20 PM
I suspect Sony will take them middle ground between competing with the DS3 and the iPhone, just like Move takes a sort of middle ground between Natal and Wii.
I'm sure that Sony is already digging through their R&D department for finalized tech in the portable 3D screen department (Samsung has made a majority of Sony's LCD for the past decade or so, so I don't know if Sony has any 3D screens of their own ready to go) and I'm sure Nintendo probably had a lot to do with the push for Sharp to finalize their new screens so their might be a "No Sony" licensing clause somewhere in there, so I'd be interested in seeing what Sony would bring to the table as far as 3D screens and ones that are also touch screens at that.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 02, 2010, 05:55:25 PM
I really don't want to sound mean, but in a world where those rumored specs are true, and the 3DS doesn't stand up to them in any way, how will the sole fact that it has some sort of 3D tech make up for it?
I love Nintendo's games. I love them more than any other games. But I'm sick to death of having to feel like I'm playing them in a time machine.
Because the PSP2 doesn't bring anything new to the table. It has beefed up specs and copies the DS' touch screen. Okay, big deal. But what is it offering that's actually new? Nothing. Miyamoto said that the original PSP offered nothing you couldn't do on existing hardware, and he was absolutely correct. It looks like that will be true of the PSP2 as well.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 02, 2010, 05:58:23 PM
I imagine it will depend on how desperate Sony is. They may throw a screen in that still requires glasses, and then tout it as being better because you can get the full pop out effect.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 02, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
PSP did everything existing hardware did and added problems.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 02, 2010, 06:09:32 PM
I suspect Sony will take them middle ground between competing with the DS3 and the iPhone, just like Move takes a sort of middle ground between Natal and Wii.
What middle ground is there? If it's a 3/4G enable game and media player it competes with the Iphone because it is the exact same thing with a Sony logo stamped on the back rather than a half eaten apple. If it doesn't have 3G then it won't be.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 06:24:56 PM
because it's rumored to either be a phone or have a phone version.
which would mean that the PSP2 would be 3G/4G enabled with a touch screen, downloadable app store (most likely <possibly even android based?>), have talk time, contracts, GPS, text/pic messages and e-mail.
and on the DS front, it will have physical games you buy in a store, and be marketed as a game machine with heavy game support from console established franchises.
It will be competing with iPhone as a Powerful Smart Phone and the 3DS as a real capable portable gaming machine. Directly walking the in between and hoping to find success on either if not both sides of the line.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 02, 2010, 06:29:51 PM
The dual screen is probably my favorite feature of DS, seems kind of lame Sony wouldn't consider it for their new system.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 02, 2010, 06:31:31 PM
Ah. Ok. I'm with you now. Fair enough. That would probably be a decent way to go. But the one problem I see is that if the vast majority of people out there already have one or the other. Would you buy a machine that you half have already? Iphone owners already have a phone and won't dare to lose that "I am teh awesome" image that most of them have (disclaimer: not all of them have) as well as all the DL apps that come with it. And people with the 3DS already have a dedicated games machine with 3D with heavy support.
Both are quite congested markets individually, throw them both together and you have one hell of task.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on April 02, 2010, 11:12:26 PM
Super duper graphics have never interested me much on handhelds, in fact my favorite games utilized 2D on the DS. If it has GC level capabilities, or even slightly below I'll be fine, though even then I'll worry games will go the way of the PSP where 3D games dominated. The only 3D I'm interested in is to to see the true 3D visuals put out by the 3DS. I'm vastly more excited for a system that is trying something new, then one that is a graphic upgrade with some bells and whistles attached.
I guess we'll see what happens when the 3ds is final, but doesn't that sound like just graphic upgrade with some bells and whistles? It's "true" 3d so almost all games will be assured of being the 3d games that dominate the PSP, except now the screen should pop out at you as opposed to your eyes looking for the depth of vision in the screen.
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Price is also a big factor, you can complain all you want but chances are the 3DS will be vastly cheaper then the new PSP.
I'd wait until a final price is quoted. Nintendo has dropped features (gba port) and increased the price of the ds (from $150 at launch to $190 with XL). Seems like plans that Sony and Microsoft has used before. For whatever reason, it seems like none of the big three can ever put together the complete package.
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I wouldn't believe that for a second. I'm with chozo on this one. Sony knows very well that the handheld market doesn't revolve around horsepower and display capabilities. That was the PSP's trump card. Yet compared to the DS it didn't do too well. But here Nintendo announce a system with all the things that made the DS a success (presumably), a good amount of power under the bonnet, 3D display and a cheaper price point. Sony don't really have a footing to compete with it. People will see the 3D and forget about the PSP2.
The market looks for so many different things that it is hard to pinpoint one specific reason why a product is a market winner and another isn't. But the PSP did great for an intro console and it's power advantage over the DS certainly helped it compete in the market. The PSP consistently outsold the DS for it's first year in the American market. What finally turned the tide in the DS favor was Nintendogs (then Brain Age and unique games like that), release of the DS Lite (which turned the DS sexy, PSP had that title vs. the Phat), and the complete failure of the UMD format with UMD movies being worthless and piracy preventing people from buying UMD discs. Most of these problems are correctable, will they be? Who knows, but I believe Sony is a strong brand and compete head to head with Nintendo they've shown it in the console market.
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Sure, PSP2 will more than likely be HD, but thats it. As GP said, it will be nothing more than a portable PS3 and the PSP all over again. Nintendo's handhelds always differentiated themselves from the consoles. If the PSP2 is revealed with a 3D screen I will not be surprised at all.
How have Nintendo's handhelds always differentiated themselves? GB was NES on B&W screen, GBC was NES, GBA was SNES (Half the Nintendo titles were even SNES ports). DS was the first one that offered a unique experience with the touch screen.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 02, 2010, 11:20:56 PM
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I guess we'll see what happens when the 3ds is final, but doesn't that sound like just graphic upgrade with some bells and whistles? It's "true" 3d so almost all games will be assured of being the 3d games that dominate the PSP, except now the screen should pop out at you as opposed to your eyes looking for the depth of vision in the screen.
Not really because the 3D has potential to be used in ways to push gaming design in unique ways, like the touch screen or the dual screen had.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 02, 2010, 11:26:44 PM
If the 3DS is going to be at about a GameCube level of hardware, I don't see how Sony is going to be able to maintain a significant graphical advantage without sacrificing battery life or launching at a far-too-high price point.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on April 02, 2010, 11:32:23 PM
Not really because the 3D has potential to be used in ways to push gaming design in unique ways, like the touch screen or the dual screen had.
Not saying it can't but I'm clearly not seeing it so how does 3d have the potiential to open up new game play? Dual screen were only new in a handheld. Many older arcade units had screens that were two screens high.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on April 02, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
If the 3DS is going to be at about a GameCube level of hardware, I don't see how Sony is going to be able to maintain a significant graphical advantage without sacrificing battery life or launching at a far-too-high price point.
It's very early in the game, but I wonder if Sony is going to come in under Nintendo in price this gen. The tech isn't final but the hands on I read of the 3ds said that background textures were blurry and the 3d didn't pop like the movie theatres. We can talk specs until we are blue in the face but the gamecube isn't much more powerful than the PSP is now. The PSP2 could get enough power to double the pixels and that may be enough to show differentiation over the 3ds if the tech isn't quite ready for prime time. You'd have to think the 3ds would at least come in at $199 with the DSI at $169 and the XL at $190. That's also got to the high for the PSP2 because they are planning on completing with the iphone which is at $199 and they wouldn't want to go over the 3ds in price unless they offer 3d as well. Also, remember that Sony is not adverse to launching a console at a loss while Nintendo is adament against it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2010, 12:00:23 AM
Not really because the 3D has potential to be used in ways to push gaming design in unique ways, like the touch screen or the dual screen had.
Not saying it can't but I'm clearly not seeing it so how does 3d have the potiential to open up new game play? Dual screen were only new in a handheld. Many older arcade units had screens that were two screens high.
wait till you find out what the "3D stick" really means, then you'll see ;).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: SixthAngel on April 03, 2010, 02:13:13 AM
I really don't want to sound mean, but in a world where those rumored specs are true, and the 3DS doesn't stand up to them in any way, how will the sole fact that it has some sort of 3D tech make up for it?
I love Nintendo's games. I love them more than any other games. But I'm sick to death of having to feel like I'm playing them in a time machine.
I feel like I am in a time machine when I play 360/ps3 games. The controls are still the same ones used in the 90's.
Your problem is that you have it imbedded in your brain that future technology is HD/upgraded specs. Technology goes far beyond the predictable things that have been pushed by 360/ps3. I don't care about HD. 3D is something that really impresses me and I see as light years ahead of hd.
Frankly the 3ds announcement also makes me feel like I am in a time machine because I thought 3d viewing technology like is rumored wouldn't be possible for years.
It's very early in the game, but I wonder if Sony is going to come in under Nintendo in price this gen. The tech isn't final but the hands on I read of the 3ds said that background textures were blurry and the 3d didn't pop like the movie theatres.
There are no hands on impressions of the 3ds. Everything is speculation, including what 3d technology they will use, even though there are a few things that are most likely true.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on April 03, 2010, 03:04:31 AM
Sony had everything going against it besides graphics heading into the handheld market and they still managed to not only not get rofl-stomped by Nintendo like every other contender, but actually carve out a decent piece of market share, more than the 0.000000756% Sega managed with Game Gear anyway. That's an actual statistic, by the way. Nintendo is still their biggest opposition. However, they must, must, must figure out a way to stop rampant piracy. PSP Go apparently did, but since no one gave a sh*t and Sony's digital distribution policies are total BS, they're going to have to a find a better way. Considering how easy it is to pirate all non-Go PSPs, I'm surprised 3rd parties still release major titles for it. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker looks phenomenal. I'm going to buy that game and I've yet to purchase a game at full price for PSP. Granted, I have 3, but point remains.
Here's Sony's main problem: Nintendo is a better developer. Yes, that's subjective. Nintendogs and Brain Age are two types of games, or "games" if you will, that Sony probably never would have thought of and yet those titles really set DS apart. For once, Sony will have to out think Nintendo and come up with the next big thing. And no, I don't see that happening either.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on April 03, 2010, 10:07:49 AM
There are no hands on impressions of the 3ds. Everything is speculation, including what 3d technology they will use, even though there are a few things that are most likely true.
Sorry, I mispoke of the 3ds hands on, but sharp's screens are likely to be the 3ds screens or at least very similar. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6254607.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;3 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6254607.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;3) Here's another article on a 3d monitor http://www.pcworld.com/article/117303/sharp_ships_3d_monitor.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/117303/sharp_ships_3d_monitor.html)
My main concerns are
1. The need to be an exact distance from the monitor to take advantage of 3d. It's hard to be emerged in a game if I can't move my head or arms (since they are attached to the screen).
2. Whether viewing 3d for long periods of time is good for an individual or will cause headaches/bluriness since it causes your eyes to converge/seperate simultaneously.
3. I don't really get the 3d thing. When I look around my house I see angles/depth. When I watch a 3d movie, I see two 2d planes. So if anything I see this limiting gameplay. As in your charactor is going to be in the foreground screen and objects will start in the far screen and jump to the foreground screen.
Maybe it's just me, but I do not see the gaming benefit of 3d, which is why I was hoping someone could explain to me what I'm missing. While PS3/Xbox 360 use control schemes that have been around for a decade, the hope is that developers continue to innovate through gameplay. While certainly some DS/Wii games are not currently possible on other systems (until Move/Natal) the control scheme also broke (or marginalized) other games.
Games that require precise timing are largely unplayable on the Wii because gestures create input error. A game marginalized in my opinion was New Super Mario Bros. The SNES had customizable schemes, they can have gestures for certain moves as the default setup, but why can't I get a set up that allows me to use the classic controller with the SNES set up? That would have made New Super Mario Bros an A+ game in my opinion. While forcing me to use the small dpad, motion controls, uncomfortably small controller (wiimote on side) made it a B+ game. Ideally, innovation shouldn't be a two steps forward, one step back proposition.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 03, 2010, 12:49:27 PM
I really don't care about 3D either, although I can see Nintendo doing some cool stuff with it. But it strikes me as similar to motion control, in that it'll be cool/useful for some types of games, but annoying/useless for other types. In my mind, 3D alone is not reason enough to buy the system (just like I wouldn't buy a TV just because it supported 3D). It's a neat gimmick that could be cool if used correctly, but nothing more.
I think the PSP2 will follow the iPod Touch/iPhone model and have one version with a phone, and one without. I think UMD will be gone in favor of 100% digital distribution, since the PlayStation store is already well-established in the largest PSP markets (NA, Japan, and PAL territories). I also think that PSP2 will be backwards-compatible with the PSP, but of course only for the games currently downloadable from PSN. Sony always likes to lead the pack in bleeding-edge technology - often at the cost of profits - so I think this is completely reasonable. If they weren't going this route, they never would have bothered with the PSPgo (which I always viewed merely as an experimental testbed for the PSP2).
I would also guess that it would have a touch-screen, but also the traditional DualShock-style D-pad and face buttons, but this time with dual analog sticks. This is the best of both worlds, and won't shoehorn developers into making games that are PSP-only (i.e. they can port games from PS2, whatever). It would also allow PSP2 users to download and play PS2 games on the device, which I think they will introduce with the PSP2 (I always thought it was weird that they haven't put PS2 games up on PSN, but I think that's because they're waiting for the PSP2 to do it).
My guess is that the PSP2 will be $299 with the phone+2 year plan, and maybe $229 without. That sounds like a lot, but the iPhone is just as expensive and people buy plenty of those.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
My only concern with Sony going the DD only route is the fact that the system will more expensive so that the retailers get a bigger cut since they won't be making their money off the subsequent POP game sales. Maybe there is money at retail for Sony Points Cards, but retailers might not want to push the system if they don't think it's profitable for them.
So that alone might bump the retail price up to $250, but on the plus side a PSPhone would now be sold in every cellphone shop that had a carrier that supported it and they only care about moving the phone, not the additional software.
Which brings up another concern. PSPhone will have to pick a network or make several different version each for a specific carrier. Verizon & Sprint may have compatible 3G networks, but their 4G networks are not gonna be the same. AT&T & T-Mobile do not share the same type of 3G network (to my knowledge) and I have no idea if their 4G networks will be similar. so PSPhone will either only work on one carrier(limiting it's appeal amongst network loyalist), they will have a very expensive cellular chip that is compatible with all carriers or there will be certain versions made for each carrier.
edit: and one more thing. If this PSP2 is packing as much heat as the rumors suggest, a phone version isn't gonna have much in the way of talk time, and if you use talk time, you aren't gonna have much in the way of game time. So unless Sony has a battery power break through, I don't see a Phone with the power somewhere around an xbox360 being as being very smart.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Pale on April 03, 2010, 02:42:12 PM
Not wanting to buy bleeding edge technology and being OK with bargain basement trash are two totally different things.
The screens in the DS are essentially the exact same pieces of tech as those in the Game Boy Advance (only marginally better). Nintendo put that in a VERY affordable portable device NINE years ago.
All I'm asking is that the new DS has something more modern... maybe in line with the iPhone's screen. That tech is 3 years old as of right now. No reason they can't get those made affordably.
There is only one reason 3D in the new DS pisses me off so much, and that's because I fully expect it to be another excuse for Nintendo to lean on as to why they didn't put better base tech in the device.
How much internal memory do you think the 3DS will have?
Yes, I'm pessimistic.... but it is the track record after all.
So yeah, overall I am very excited to see what Sony does with the PSP2. I just wish I could play the next gen Pokemon on a device of similar power.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2010, 02:51:54 PM
Shouldn't you have posted all but the last 2 sentences of that in the DS2 thread?
But if you look at the screens that Sharp are releasing that are likely to be used in the 3DS (it's reported that the screen manufacturer was about to reveal their new screens and Nintendo wanted to beat them to the punch, so that's why they announced the 3DS how & when they did), they are high resolution and we can honestly expect around GC level graphics (which is better than PSP) and all in 3D. So nothing to worry about at this point.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 03, 2010, 02:53:44 PM
I don't see how Sony is going to be able to maintain a significant graphical advantage without sacrificing battery life or launching at a far-too-high price point.
Would you put that past them? They've been known to do that, you know.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2010, 03:07:49 PM
I don't see how Sony is going to be able to maintain a significant graphical advantage without sacrificing battery life or launching at a far-too-high price point.
Would you put that past them? They've been known to do that, you know.
I could see Sony pushing it power wise at release and then hoping battery tech catches up in the next year or so. But I don't see them letting Nintendo regain a iron fist grip on teh portable gaming market again uncontested. Sony does not want to be shut out by Nintendo and Apple.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 03, 2010, 04:36:20 PM
I think that's why it's going to have a phone version. Otherwise, what's the point?
As long as they keep the gaming battery life around 10 hours, that'll be OK. I've never cared too much about talk time because I only use my cell for short calls, typically.
I'm interested to see what Sony does. They really need the hardware to do something that differentiates its games from the PS3.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2010, 04:55:25 PM
I'm not sure how a 3G connection is gonna achieve that.
But the inclusion of a multi-touch screen and 2 cameras(1 facing at you the other facing away) is a start. Both of those would be needed to match the iPhone 4G that comes out later this year.
edit: Hopefully the PSPhone has an app that allows it to be a mobile hotspot. That will make it useful to all the gamers that want to do online gaming with their 3DS's (amiriteguyz)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 03, 2010, 05:27:07 PM
If you kill the PSP2 battery, does that mean you have to discard the whole thing or send it in for replacement?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 04, 2010, 01:26:19 AM
If you kill the PSP2 battery, does that mean you have to discard the whole thing or send it in for replacement?
Not if it uses standard AA batteries. 20 AA batteries should do the trick. That should be enough for your typical 2 hours of play time, at which point you would need to replace those.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 04, 2010, 02:09:27 AM
If you kill the PSP2 battery, does that mean you have to discard the whole thing or send it in for replacement?
Not if it uses standard AA batteries. 20 AA batteries should do the trick. That should be enough for your typical 2 hours of play time, at which point you would need to replace those.
So it's the spiritual successor to the Game Gear.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2010, 02:37:27 PM
Looks like Sony might have their eyes on some no-glasses 3D tech after all. This isn't a new story, but with recent events this story now has more relevance.
If the Sony/Ericcson team is getting involved with the PSP, then maybe the PSP2 would be considered a recipient for this tech.
3D by 3M..... for Sony/Ericcson? (http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6897316.ece)
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The new type of screen, known as Vikuiti, is made by 3M — the American technology giant behind key elements of the iPhone's display. The technology is suitable for smartphones and handheld games consoles with screens of up to nine inches. It will enable users to watch 3-D films and games without having to wear polarised glasses[...]
We tested one of the first screens at 3M’s laboratories in Minnesota. There is a slight flicker as the screen switches from 2-D to 3-D, but then it feels entirely natural to watch it. Seen head-on, the effect is convincing. [...] A better clue, however, may be in the name that briefly, and it seems accidentally, flashed on screen during 3M’s PowerPoint presentation of its new technology to The Sunday Times: the words Sony Ericsson fleetingly appeared. The mobile-phone manufacturer declined to comment.
I really doubt Sony would release a 3D PSPhone version and a regular non-3D PSP2 version so if one would use it, the other should too. But this is evidence that some arm of Sony has been playing in the 3D pool and could have something ready for PSP2 relatively easily by E3 is it wasn't already in the pipeline.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 04, 2010, 09:37:12 PM
Aha. I thought so. But we will see what happens................
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2010, 12:23:12 AM
With the way Sony does things, we can expect a $600 handheld.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 05, 2010, 10:57:40 PM
This is the problem with Nintendo's 3D handheld. It is just a screen and easily duplicated. The 3D screen can not be the real innovation of the system because it is too easily copiable.
I don't doubt that the PSP2 can easily already or quickly add a 3D screen to the system without any problems.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2010, 11:33:32 PM
The main difference with the 3D option listed above for PSP is that it is lenticular <sp> and can't be views longways like the DS can in Bookmode. That's not a problem with PSP since there are no games that use the PSP in that way, but that is one bonus that the 3DS will have over PSP.
Besides, I'm almost 100% positive optimistic that there will be some sort of way of tracking the stylus for the 3DS either by camera or by magnetic field (I can and have provided examples for both) as 3D can't be the only innovation just like Dual Screens wasn't the only innovation for the DS when that revealed 6 years ago(touchscreen).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2010, 11:57:49 PM
The last time Sony quickly "added" something, we got the Sixaxis.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ThePerm on April 06, 2010, 12:14:35 AM
I really don't want to sound mean, but in a world where those rumored specs are true, and the 3DS doesn't stand up to them in any way, how will the sole fact that it has some sort of 3D tech make up for it?
I love Nintendo's games. I love them more than any other games. But I'm sick to death of having to feel like I'm playing them in a time machine.
price point is super important, is psp2's specs are too high there is no way they can make it affordable, i am never paying $300 for something that can easily be stolen or lost. Handhelds are supposed to be slightly behind, consoles on the other hand..wii has aged poorly
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 06, 2010, 12:34:21 AM
Wii is more awesome than ever. Played Wii Sports Resort during Easter.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 06, 2010, 02:21:04 PM
The last time Sony quickly "added" something, we got the Sixaxis.
Sony practically tripped over themselves in their race to add dual analog sticks to their old PS1 controllers. We're still stuck with that design to this day, but its not the most ergonomic or anything. Its just something they could slap together in a hurry.
As for the PSP2, I don't doubt they can slap in a 3D screen in a hurry. The launch games probably won't be able to make use of it, but they might want it in so they can keep up with whatever Nintendo is doing. At Sony, copying Nintendo seems to be the name of the game. That said, it may have been a mistake for Nintendo to reveal their system's 3D capabilities. They should have waited until like 1 month before it launched before offering any details because they should know by now Sony is going to just rip it off.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2010, 04:09:01 PM
Sharp was gonna announce the Screens and Nintendo wanted to get the Buzz from that announcement and beat them to the punch(news hounds were about to leak the story anyway). It was also time for another quarterly investor meeting and the 3DS announcement saw Nintendo stock jump 10% that day.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 06, 2010, 10:17:17 PM
But would be that difficult to re-render game graphics into 3D if a game is close to done. This isn't like film where you need to shoot the people the correct way to properly apply the 3D effects. I think it is very possible to add 3D to the PSP2. Now, we all know why Nintendo had to do it, with a possible news leak.
I just feel this can't be the only thing Nintendo is doing...or there is much more to it than that simple element.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Kytim89 on April 06, 2010, 10:45:07 PM
Sony will probably release a teaser for the PSP 2 like Nintendo did with the 3DS in order to counter balance the hyper generated by Nintendo's new handheld.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2010, 10:53:12 PM
Sony won't say a peep about PSP2 until E3. They need to make sure they have a tight package at reveal and no leaks to ruin the surprise. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony only shows some prototyped hardware(a 3DS spoiler with specs promised to be out of this world) with a rough release day of maybe sometime this year, but Sony will show something.
Will PSP2 be anything like what they show @ E3? only time will tell, but they will try to rain on Nintendo's parade now that they sorta know what's coming.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 07, 2010, 07:33:18 AM
There must be something else in it that we haven't even thought of. Nintendo knows that Sony is an electronics company first and foremost, so it would be easy for them to throw a 3D screen in a hurry. They also know that Sony have absolutely no shame in ripping tech right off Nintendo.
I have a feeling that come E3, Nintendo will have one hell of a curveball lined up that will catch everyone with their pants down (see Wii). I am probably wrong, but they have done it before, so there isn't really a reason they wouldn't do it again.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ThePerm on April 07, 2010, 06:12:54 PM
im sure that's what Iwata loves to do :P
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: EasyCure on April 07, 2010, 06:57:20 PM
Well being an PSP owner, the main thing they have to fix is controls--you need a dual analog stick. If they just add that I'll be happy.
Dude, just get a PS3. :)
Seriously, I think I'm in the minority of people who didn't miss the second analog stick too much. The best game on the system is arguably God of War: Chains of Olympus and Ready at Dawn successfully took a franchise that utilized every single button on a Dual Shock 2 and put it on PSP. I guess I wouldn't mind a second analog stick, but I feel like developers can take most kinds of games and put them on PSP without losing too much in the translation.... if they try hard enough.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Ymeegod on April 10, 2010, 03:35:03 AM
That's just one game though, try playing a decent PSP shooter. But yeah loved GoW too and I still can't figure out why Sony didn't follow up with another one. Instead the went with Jak & Dexter? Strange.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 10, 2010, 03:39:19 PM
In my experience, dual analog sticks are only really needed for FPS games.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2010, 06:15:36 PM
Could Sony have a supplier for 3D screens for PSP2?
Hitachi announces no glasses 3D screens that work in 2D & 3D mode
source article in Japanese (http://www.nikkei.com/tech/news/article/g=96958A9C93819696E3E2E2E2888DE3E2E2E6E0E2E3E2869891E2E2E2;da=96958A88889DE2E0E2E5EAE5E5E2E3E7E3E0E0E2E2EBE2E2E2E2E2E2)
Quote from: translated by Mandoric@NeoGAF
The new LCD panel consists of two LCD panel layers, with the different perspectives of the left and right eye creating a 3d image. SHARP uses the same technique. By changing the form of the liquid crystals which block light, Hitachi Displays creates a feeling of true 3d. By increasing brightness over previous products, the previous weakness of 3D--screen darkness--has been solved. It also functions in 2d mode. It is expected to enter production at their panel plant in Mobara, Chiba in 2010.
I think it would be silly to not think that Sony is doing all they can to get 3D into the PSP2 despite recent comments about not being interested in 3D on a portable platform at this time.
This may not be Sony's solution provider since Hitachi and Sharp are the 2 providers of Nitnendo's LCD's but it's possible.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 12:46:32 PM
PSP 2 – the big E3 surprise? (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38925/PSP-2-the-big-E3-surprise)
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Publishers significantly ramp up marketing plans for Sony handheld for this Q4
We already have a fair idea what to expect at next month’s E3 – plenty of into about Move, Natal and the 3DS (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38138/Nintendo-unveils-new-3DS-handheld) (and Vitality Sensor (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/36565/Vitality-Sensor-to-get-E3-spotlight)) for instance – but Sony could perhaps be saving the biggest surprise of all.
MCV has been informed of a significant increase in marketing spend at two key publishers for Q4 2010. At a time when the PSP is languishing in Western markets – and its most recent iteration, the PSPgo, is falling flat (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38691/99-PSPgo-would-be-a-sell-out) – it is being speculated that publishers are laying the ground for an offensive on a brand new iteration of Sony’s handheld.
Another publisher has also told MCV that it is waiting on a specific announcement from the platform holder before it can reveal of its future PSP plans until, though it did allude to the ongoing development of several unnamed titles behind closed doors.
I'm gonna guess that it will have a bigger than 3DS(same size as bookmode?) OLED screen and PSPgo form factor (slide out controls).
Sony needs a PSP2, but their plate is already kinda full this year with pushing 3D update in the PS3, MOVE with all of it's expenses, the new PS3 Move bundle & speculated non bundle price drop. Can Sony really expect all their supporters to also put down on a new PSP within the same time frame (which I assume to be this holiday season)?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ShyGuy on May 13, 2010, 04:24:41 PM
I bet dollars to donuts that the PSP will have some functionality that they can call 3D.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2010, 04:30:14 PM
3D Wireless Downloads!
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Caliban on May 13, 2010, 11:34:59 PM
They're still a bit on the expensive side, so I wouldn't put too much faith on the PSP2 having one.
Seriously? If anything, that's why I'd expect PSP2 having one. This is the same Sony that released a $600 because it had to have a Blu-Ray player. If you want to use the argument that Sony was trying to help the format (and, in that way, they succeeded), so be it. This is the same Sony that sacrificed battery life in a handheld system in order to get near PS2-level performance. Point being, Sony doesn't have a damn clue what the f*ck they are doing. Don't get me wrong, I love my PSP. I think it's a nice home console. Yeah, you read that right.... At the end of the day, it has some great games, even if the system itself is littered with boneheaded design choices.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 14, 2010, 12:49:01 AM
PSP2 playing Bluray disks sounds like something Sony would do.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ThePerm on May 14, 2010, 01:08:18 AM
and pointless considering how small the screen is.
House of Flying Daggers UMD best thing on PSP
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 14, 2010, 04:57:05 PM
What would an OLED screen allow that an LED/LCD screen couldn't? Would there be any worthwhile benefit?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2010, 05:03:09 PM
Sony wants to push the tech like the did with Bluray.
OLED is still expensive only because it's not being mass-produced in a widespread consumer product.
I also believe OLED can be made really really thin, use less electricity and can be made to be flexible. But I might be confusing that with something else.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 14, 2010, 05:11:06 PM
They're still a bit on the expensive side, so I wouldn't put too much faith on the PSP2 having one.
Well, at least not in the first version. But as we all well know both Sony and Nintendo love to put out revisions of their portable hardware, so its something that will probably come out in a few years when either company decides its revisioning time.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 14, 2010, 05:13:11 PM
OLED is expensive, therefore Sony should use it to help them drown in more financial turmoil.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 14, 2010, 05:39:12 PM
As far as portable gadgets go, the big deal with OLED screens is that they don't require backlights, so they're thinner. That means smaller gadgets. I don't know how they stack up in terms of energy use.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2010, 06:16:19 PM
no backlight would lead one to at least assume that it uses less energy right? maybe get an extra 2 hours outta that battery now?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Kytim89 on May 15, 2010, 01:50:29 AM
They're still a bit on the expensive side, so I wouldn't put too much faith on the PSP2 having one.
Seriously? If anything, that's why I'd expect PSP2 having one. This is the same Sony that released a $600 because it had to have a Blu-Ray player. If you want to use the argument that Sony was trying to help the format (and, in that way, they succeeded), so be it. This is the same Sony that sacrificed battery life in a handheld system in order to get near PS2-level performance. Point being, Sony doesn't have a damn clue what the f*ck they are doing. Don't get me wrong, I love my PSP. I think it's a nice home console. Yeah, you read that right.... At the end of the day, it has some great games, even if the system itself is littered with boneheaded design choices.
The reason why I do not like the PSP is because it has no identity as a gaming console. What I mean by this is that it is essentially a low-grade PS2 with a built in screen and buttons. Why fork over the cash for the device when I already have it in my roo and it is called the PS2. Sony is too professional to think outside the box in the same way Nintendo does for its handhelds. The DS brand has enough style that it is differentiated from the other systems. I speculate, nay, know that the next PSP system will be to the PS3 as the current model is to the PS2. I will never own a Sony handheld until it develops some kind of stylistic identity that Nintendo has been able to implement in their systems and I see the 3DS continuing this battle against the PSP2 in the future.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on May 15, 2010, 05:57:05 AM
Why fork over the cash for the device when I already have it in my roo and it is called the PS2.
This was Nintendo pre-DS. Gameboy was just a handheld monochrome NES. GBA was a handheld SNES sans X and Y. If you take issue with PSP being a handheld PS2, I wonder if you've ever owned any Gameboy iteration in your life. If so, I'm not sure I buy that you won't own a Sony handheld because of its identity. It sounds like you don't like it because it's made by Sony which, of course, you're perfectly entitled to.
I bought a PSP once it finally had games I wanted that I couldn't get anywhere else. I could get God of War on PS2, but not Chains of Olympus so I justified buying a PSP for it. For me, games make hardware worth purchasing. While I bought my brother an Xbox 360, I wouldn't buy one for myself. Outside of Gears of War which I only enjoy playing co-op with my brother, there is nothing on it I want that I can't also get on PS3... and PS3 has God of War III and a Blu-Ray drive. The choice, for me, was simple.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 15, 2010, 07:23:02 AM
GameBoy was the Pokemon Machine For Social Networking.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 15, 2010, 03:08:58 PM
Why fork over the cash for the device when I already have it in my roo and it is called the PS2.
This was Nintendo pre-DS. Gameboy was just a handheld monochrome NES. GBA was a handheld SNES sans X and Y. If you take issue with PSP being a handheld PS2, I wonder if you've ever owned any Gameboy iteration in your life. If so, I'm not sure I buy that you won't own a Sony handheld because of its identity. It sounds like you don't like it because it's made by Sony which, of course, you're perfectly entitled to.
I bought a PSP once it finally had games I wanted that I couldn't get anywhere else. I could get God of War on PS2, but not Chains of Olympus so I justified buying a PSP for it. For me, games make hardware worth purchasing. While I bought my brother an Xbox 360, I wouldn't buy one for myself. Outside of Gears of War which I only enjoy playing co-op with my brother, there is nothing on it I want that I can't also get on PS3... and PS3 has God of War III and a Blu-Ray drive. The choice, for me, was simple.
The DS is sorta a portable N64 sans the analog stick. What I mean is the horsepower capabilities seem to be similar, because that tiny screen is able to pump out ports of games like SM 64 that look as good as the originals (even though it plays much worse).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on May 15, 2010, 04:14:24 PM
N64 didn't have a touchscreen, wifi, or a built-in microphone (Hey You! Pikachu doesn't count) or cameras if you count DSi.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 15, 2010, 06:33:09 PM
Why fork over the cash for the device when I already have it in my roo and it is called the PS2.
This was Nintendo pre-DS. Gameboy was just a handheld monochrome NES. GBA was a handheld SNES sans X and Y. If you take issue with PSP being a handheld PS2, I wonder if you've ever owned any Gameboy iteration in your life. If so, I'm not sure I buy that you won't own a Sony handheld because of its identity. It sounds like you don't like it because it's made by Sony which, of course, you're perfectly entitled to.
I bought a PSP once it finally had games I wanted that I couldn't get anywhere else. I could get God of War on PS2, but not Chains of Olympus so I justified buying a PSP for it. For me, games make hardware worth purchasing. While I bought my brother an Xbox 360, I wouldn't buy one for myself. Outside of Gears of War which I only enjoy playing co-op with my brother, there is nothing on it I want that I can't also get on PS3... and PS3 has God of War III and a Blu-Ray drive. The choice, for me, was simple.
GB/GBA were built for portability, they had a long battery life and were durable system. They were the first systems to get it right, PSP on the other hand has a short battery life, not all that durable, and didn't innovate anything. The majority of the games, at least for the first couple of years were PS2 ports as well.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on May 15, 2010, 07:30:57 PM
Point being?
Nintendo handhelds didn't offer anything new besides portability until DS. I don't think it's fair to jump on Sony for offering a portable console experience when Nintendo did the same thing for like 15 years, unless, of course, you're willing to chastise Nintendo as well. Sure, Nintendo did it better/smarter, but that's not really the point here. Kytim89 questioned the notion of paying for a portable PS2 when he already owns an actual PS2, not the merits of PSP as a handheld system. I'm not defending PSP's shortcomings. Like I said earlier, I consider it a home console as I'm never too far away from an outlet when I use it. Rather, I'm defending PSP as a system with worthwhile games. I didn't buy one until last year when I deemed there to be enough games worthy of purchasing new hardware that wasn't available elsewhere.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 15, 2010, 08:40:00 PM
I always figured the point of a Portable Gaming Device is that it is portable. So to me having a Portable device that is as powered as a console device is not a bad if it remain portable. They aren't even the same thing. One is PORTABLE...able to be played anywhere...and one is a console system.
The thing is portable systems MUST be designed differently than console games. They must be designed first and foremost with being portable. Nintendo has been the best and sometimes the only company that understood this. Which is why although Nintendo's technology is always inferior to graphics and current technology compared to other portables....It absolutely rocks in all the elements of what a Portable gaming experience should be.
So as I see Sony may copy Nintendo exactly with the PSP2 making a newer flash DS-like experience mixed with an I-Pod touch experience, I see Sony shooting itself in the foot again and making not conform to the needs of a portable system.
However, I don't see Nintendo doing that. Nintendo has been carefully planning its next true handheld for awhile. Using existing technology that will be cheap, power efficient, and adding in new technology to create new experiences.
Nintendo may not operate with the same understanding of what consoles should or need to be, but they have the best grasp and understanding of what portable gaming is and needs to be of any company out there. And that is why they succeed.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Morari on May 15, 2010, 09:22:19 PM
Why fork over the cash for the device when I already have it in my roo and it is called the PS2.
This was Nintendo pre-DS. Gameboy was just a handheld monochrome NES. GBA was a handheld SNES sans X and Y. If you take issue with PSP being a handheld PS2, I wonder if you've ever owned any Gameboy iteration in your life. If so, I'm not sure I buy that you won't own a Sony handheld because of its identity. It sounds like you don't like it because it's made by Sony which, of course, you're perfectly entitled to.
The PSP is really just a PS2? The GBA is really just an SNES? I think what these handhelds are missing is true compatibility. Nothing will ever match the brilliance of the Sega Nomad. Being able to simply pop my Genesis cartridges into what was basically an over-sized GameGear and go is still hard to beat.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 15, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
Why fork over the cash for the device when I already have it in my roo and it is called the PS2.
This was Nintendo pre-DS. Gameboy was just a handheld monochrome NES. GBA was a handheld SNES sans X and Y. If you take issue with PSP being a handheld PS2, I wonder if you've ever owned any Gameboy iteration in your life. If so, I'm not sure I buy that you won't own a Sony handheld because of its identity. It sounds like you don't like it because it's made by Sony which, of course, you're perfectly entitled to.
The PSP is really just a PS2? The GBA is really just an SNES? I think what these handhelds are missing is true compatibility. Nothing will ever match the brilliance of the Sega Nomad. Being able to simply pop my Genesis cartridges into what was basically an over-sized GameGear and go is still hard to beat.
That thing would have been so damn cool if it had enough battery life to actually let you take it somewhere.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 16, 2010, 11:06:24 AM
Why fork over the cash for the device when I already have it in my roo and it is called the PS2.
This was Nintendo pre-DS. Gameboy was just a handheld monochrome NES. GBA was a handheld SNES sans X and Y. If you take issue with PSP being a handheld PS2, I wonder if you've ever owned any Gameboy iteration in your life. If so, I'm not sure I buy that you won't own a Sony handheld because of its identity. It sounds like you don't like it because it's made by Sony which, of course, you're perfectly entitled to.
The PSP is really just a PS2? The GBA is really just an SNES? I think what these handhelds are missing is true compatibility. Nothing will ever match the brilliance of the Sega Nomad. Being able to simply pop my Genesis cartridges into what was basically an over-sized GameGear and go is still hard to beat.
That thing would have been so damn cool if it had enough battery life to actually let you take it somewhere.
Which gets to my point...nobody (but Nintendo understands the place of portable gaming.) Actually that is not true...Apple is getting to understand it with its Ipod touch. Quick simple games to play and enjoy on the go whenever you want them. They don't have to be the same type of masterpieces found on the consoles, and in fact that works against their design.
There is a reason the Wario Ware franchise debuted on a portable.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 16, 2010, 03:50:34 PM
Pocket Monsters thrived on portables
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2010, 04:01:12 PM
well they are pocket monsters and I don't think the consoles would fit in your pocket at the time[/console]
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 16, 2010, 04:38:11 PM
Bringing my NES to the playground and swapping Pocket Monster information plus battles with your NES via some niche serial cable isn't exactly a "console" experience the market desired out of portables. We know the GB platform reinvigorated itself parallel to Pocket Monsters' success for unique functions not practical to consoles. Casual kiddie underpowered gimmick non-RPG -- no denying this juggernaut that PSP and Apple aren't replicating.
Furthermore, on the DS level, Nintendo's stellar software proves to be key. A detailed puppy simulator that fits in a pocket/backpack/purse/etc, made its impact FIVE YEARS ago, elevating the platform growth to greater opportunities of success, while petty game industry sales journalism today can only point out "oh look, phone gaming is eating away at [uselessly non-portable] multimedia-rich PSP gaming, and gaining a couple percents on DS!"
Nintendo [portable doohickies] are platforms where real software that make real money and develop strong brand images are made.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 02:50:27 PM
VG247 has the PSP2 scoop? grab those salt licks, this will make you thirsty for more.
PSP2: Touch-screen, two cameras, games for “end 2010, beginning 2011″ (http://www.vg247.com/2010/05/17/psp2-touch-screen-two-cameras-games-for-end-2010-beginning-2011/)]
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If you thought a hint that PSP2 may make an appearance at E3 was exciting, get a load of this ****.
Baby steps.
MCV rumoured last week (http://www.vg247.com/2010/05/12/massive-rumor-senior-industry-source-says-sonys-at-work-on-psp-2/) that Sony “could” announce PSP2 at E3.
VG247 goes digging. According to a source familiar with the matter, it’s “99 percent” it isn’t an E3 reveal.
But there’s much, much more.
Multiple British sources have confirmed that PSP2 NDAs have been in place at publishers and developers for many months.
PSP2 has two cameras, one forward and one backward facing.
It has a touch-screen, but apparently it has retained the trademark physical PlayStation buttons.
UK sources were previously working towards a “2010″ release. This is now “2011″.
One source would be “amazed” if there was any kind of physical media involved. We’ve been told it “could” be 3G-enabled, as opposed to the WiFi-only PSP go. This bit was sketchy.
Multiple PSP2 games are being made in Britain right now. Some have even already been canned.
There have been “finished units” in the UK, but we haven’t spoken to anyone that’s seen a final case.
When asked directly about reveal timing, one source said, “If the games were aiming for end 2010, beginning 2011, and now it’s a 2011 release, I’d say a gamescom or TGS announce for launch early next year”.
One source told us the machine is “fucking powerful,” being based on a four-core Cell CPU. PS3 runs on an eight-core version.
Crapped yourself yet? Good. Remember, “99 percent” certainty leaves “1 percent” of uncertainty. Don’t take your eyes of Jack’s hands in Sony’s E3 press conference on June 15. We will, of course, be there.
I really hope that 3DS uses 4 cameras to set itself even further apart from the competition. That's the new cell phone feature for next year, one forward facing and one inward facing camera and Nintendo has been on that since DSi. Now it's time for 3D cameras in and 3D cameras out. Gotta stay one step ahead.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 18, 2010, 03:08:14 PM
OK, this has to stop.
The next gen will probably have handhelds that transform into Iron Man suits.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: King of Twitch on May 18, 2010, 03:37:55 PM
Sony: Make it double the Iron Man suits.
(laughter)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shaymin on May 18, 2010, 07:21:32 PM
Nintendo R&D: "We transform you into Squirrel Girl."
Iwata: *laughs*
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ThePerm on June 19, 2010, 07:52:30 PM
yeah the reason why Sony doesn't make consoles out of the paradigm of consoles is because Nintendo creates the paradigm for consoles that they constantly change. Microsoft has been pretty good at coming up with new features too though. Next generation is going to be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Louieturkey on June 21, 2010, 03:45:57 PM
yeah the reason why Sony doesn't make consoles out of the paradigm of consoles is because Nintendo creates the paradigm for consoles that they constantly change. Microsoft has been pretty good at coming up with new features too though. Next generation is going to be pretty interesting.
And this has to do with the PSP2 how?
PSP2 is probably going to be announced at TGS.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2010, 04:08:38 PM
I'm sure Sony is still working out the details on implementing their own 3D screen right now regardless of what they say.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 21, 2010, 05:03:52 PM
The interesting thing about the PSP2 is it will be the first console to be designed from the ground up with the knowledge of the casual market. Sony might just figure a few things out.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on June 21, 2010, 06:28:11 PM
Sony is never going to figure anything out because they're still trying to out-spec Nintendo at the cost of battery life. Who cares if the graphics are near PS3-level if the battery life is well under 10 hours?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Ymeegod on June 23, 2010, 12:52:34 AM
"During his annual roundtable discussion, legendary designer Shigeru Miyamoto briefly discussed the battery life for the 3DS hardware.
Current specs do not disclose any information about the systems battery life but during the roundtable, Miyamoto said that Nintendo are aiming to achieve a battery close to that of the DSi.
So what kind of battery could we be looking at for the 3DS?
The Nintendo DSi has the lowest battery life of any of the Nintendo DS family offering 3 to 4 hours when the system is played on its brightest setting.
Expect to hear more later in the year."
That might change but it does sound like the 3ds is well under the 10 hour mark too.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on June 23, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
3-4 hours of battery life on DSi is optional. I was always happy with medium brightness so I got close to 10. I don't think I've ever gotten more than 3 hours on my PSP.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ThePerm on June 23, 2010, 05:05:07 PM
yeah the reason why Sony doesn't make consoles out of the paradigm of consoles is because Nintendo creates the paradigm for consoles that they constantly change. Microsoft has been pretty good at coming up with new features too though. Next generation is going to be pretty interesting.
And this has to do with the PSP2 how?
PSP2 is probably going to be announced at TGS.
when i said console i meant video game hardware
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 28, 2010, 06:12:25 PM
Looks like some Japanese Retailer is sure of a PSP-4000 & 3DS launch THIS year in Japan. http://www.siliconera.com/2010/06/27/rumor-japanese-retailer-pegs-nintendo-3ds-and-psp-4000-for-this-year/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/06/27/rumor-japanese-retailer-pegs-nintendo-3ds-and-psp-4000-for-this-year/)
I'm guessing Sony is gonna rev up for a HUGE presence at TGS this year since they expect Nintendo to not be there like usual(but something tells me Nintendo will be there, and PSP-4000's debut will be spoiled if thats what they were planning).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 10, 2010, 05:20:54 AM
Meanwhile, Sony is developing a portable device that shares characteristics of hand-held game machines, e-book readers and netbook computers, according to people familiar with the matter. Some Sony e-book readers already come with 3G connections but it isn't clear if a new wireless gadget will use carrier networks. [...] Yusuke Tsunoda, an analyst at Tokai Tokyo Research Center, said talks of a carrier partnership are a sign that the videogame-hardware makers are feeling the pressure from smartphones, which are used to download and play simple games.
"The distinction between gaming devices and mobile communication devices, like smartphones, are blurring. And it may eventually disappear," said Mr. Tsunoda.
& this is from an article Kytim linked to a few days ago http://kotaku.com/5581478/high+speed-cell-connection-could-come-to-nintendo-sony-devices (http://kotaku.com/5581478/high+speed-cell-connection-could-come-to-nintendo-sony-devices)
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The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Sony was working on two new gaming devices, one that appears to be a sort of smartphone and another that sounds a bit like a tablet computer.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Arbok on July 12, 2010, 01:50:23 PM
Sounds like Sony is trying to escape competing with the DS to go head-to-head with the iPhone/iPad.
Actually its sounds like Sony doesn't have a clue what to do with the device and instead is going for the "jack of all trades" route... again.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2010, 03:42:04 AM
Remembers those rumors about Nvidia Tegra & Nintendo working together on the 3DS?
Well, this one seems a little more believable in retrospec.
THE ANNUAL RUNNING of the moles in Santa Clara yesterday had some surprising results, not just in the record number of IC engineers gored, but also the information leaked by those trying save their backsides. One of them even leaked some details about the upcoming PSP2's CPU, but it didn't save him.
Unfortunately for that engineer, he wasn't able to make it back to 2701 San Tomas for treatment, and succumbed to his wounds. While he was crawling back to the mothership begging for an 'ouchless' band-aid, he was babbling about how the new PSP2 hardware needed him, and that he was too young to die. Next of kin, not the next Kin, confirmed that the (now ex-) Nvidia engineer was indeed on the Tegra team, and that chip line will be powering the PSP2.
It is now set for a CES showing, but it will almost assuredly be released at a later date. This isn't due to the number of engineers mauled by moles yesterday, but because the Tegra 2 is massively over it's promised power budget. In a segment that finds 5% overages unacceptable, Tegra 2 is 20%+ over power budget. That explains why Nvidia PR suddenly changed the focus of the PSP2 screed to avoid the word 'phone', but, luckily for Sony, the PSP2 does not have phone capabilities.
The power 'whoopsie' means delays and possibly spec downgrades for the PSP2, but we will have to see where it ends up. Between that overage and several showstopper bugs, Sony is said to be very miffed at Nvidia right now. Even the moles could sense that before they pounced on engineer after engineer. The scene in the streets is almost as bad as the scenes in the Nvidia meeting rooms when the Sony people come around.
If the chip that Sony uses for the PSP2 is a vanilla Tegra 2, the design is in trouble. If they use a custom version of the part, there is a chance for things to work out in the end, but expect many delays as the silicon is respun and respun. For a device that has already been delayed because of it's CPU, that is not a good sign.
Unlike the other 20, 50, 70, or however many design wins Nvidia PR is promising this week, the PSP2 is actually going to come out. In fact, it will sell more than the other two Tegra flagship products, the Zune HD and the Kin(s) combined. So more than 20 units, one for the family of each gored engineer, plus or minus a few design wins.
If this story is actually true then I can see Nvidia not being a consideration with any console manufacturer ever again moving forward. They tried to screw MS with the original Xbox, Stumbled on the RSX with the PS3 and now they over shot power consumption for the PSP2. But I think Tegra 2 may be a good fit for a multimedia jack-of-all trades machine that Sony would try to put together.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Louieturkey on July 22, 2010, 02:52:56 PM
There's a reason you don't see Tegra 2 in many things even though it is being highly touted. nVidia has no idea that power actually matters to people, especially in the mobile market.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 16, 2010, 09:11:39 PM
IndustryGamers asked about the possibility of a version of Mortal Kombat on the current PSP or the upcoming 3DS, and Himmerick replied:
“We’re not launching day one on all consoles like that. We are looking at them; we have a PSP2 in the house and we’re looking at the engine, like what can it support. Always a big thing for us is the performance. We’re running at 60 fps, what can we do and do we have to build all the art assets over. We’re definitely looking at them. PSP2 looks like it’s a pretty powerful machine. We don’t have a 3DS system in house yet, but we’re looking to get one, and we’ll certainly look at what its power is.”
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 17, 2010, 01:04:42 AM
I remember way back in the mid-90s when Sony first entered the video game market with the PS1 and how people didn't think they knew what the hell they were doing because they never did it before and their experience has always been with TVs and those sorts of things. Well, 15 or so years later they have been successful in the video game industry (well, the were in previous generations), but have they really learned what video gaming is all about? They market their devices as being able to do anything and everything, so video gaming isn't the primary focus there the way it is with Nintendo. Apparently that attitude works okay with Consoles that take up space in a living room where people don't want too many devices laying around, but that logic doesn't seem to work with handheld devices so much. If anyone wants a "can do anything" device odds are they already have that in the form of their cell phone.
I can't see the PSP2 being any closer to winning against the 3DS than the PSP1 has been against the DS. People buy those things for gaming purposes, and already have what they need for everything else.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nubiae on September 25, 2010, 01:56:30 AM
I love Nintendo's games. I love them more than any other games. But I'm sick to death of having to feel like I'm playing them in a time machine.
nintendo?what's do you know PS3 ?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2010, 11:06:38 AM
PSP2 is rumored for a late 2011 release
reports are out that PSP2 dev-kits have been sent to anyone that will have them. http://www.develop-online.net/news/35969/Sony-sends-PSP2-dev-kits-across-the-industry (http://www.develop-online.net/news/35969/Sony-sends-PSP2-dev-kits-across-the-industry)
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Sony has handed PSP2 development kits to a number of key studios for a “significant launch window line-up”, Develop has heard.
It was claimed earlier in the year that developers were shown the device, and Sony has since sent out dev kits to numerous development studios – both third-party and in-house. Multiple industry sources – who have over the last two months spoken to Develop on the matter – give the impression that Sony is spreading its PSP2 tech widely across the industry for a big impact at launch.
Develop’s sources were understandably unwilling to speak on the record about the new handheld, mentioning the device in passing, and declining to provide details on prototypes.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on September 29, 2010, 12:14:12 PM
I wonder if Sony is going to make the PSP2 do 3D on the cheap like T.V's do it, and make you require the expensive glasses. With the expected saturation of 3D T.V's and subsequently, those glasses, it may not be such a bad idea.
Sony also deserves commendation for making the dev kits so widespread, but it seems like the 3DS is going to have pretty robust launch + following months.
I forget where I read it, but I believe someone reported that the PSP2 will be noticeably more powerful than the 3DS and while that may not seem like a big deal in the handheld arena, Sony will be gunning for heavy integration with the PS3 where such power will be a big deal. What if it can be a suitable controller that shows extra map data, or allows multiplayer with no split screen or your opponent seeing what plays your calling or pitches your choosing, etc.? What if you can play CoD or MoH on your PS3 and pick up your game (solo or multiplayer) on your bus ride/car pool to work?
Maybe I'm just getting my hopes up, but I'm slightly looking forward to the PSP2 reveal. Which may not be until next E3.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: apdude on September 29, 2010, 01:00:58 PM
to play your game on the go, wouldn't you need to buy the game twice? Unless it's tablet sized I don't see putting the blu-ray disk in it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 01:09:17 PM
All of that should be possible on the 3DS.
And supposedly Samsund is gina be showing off a Glasses free 3D TV next week. Also with the volume of screens Nintendo is buying, Sony might be able to get a good deal on some 3D screens by the end of the year.
to play your game on the go, wouldn't you need to buy the game twice? Unless it's tablet sized I don't see putting the blu-ray disk in it.
Digital copy? PSP2 will likely have iPod levels of internal storage. 32gb or somethoing like that.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on September 29, 2010, 02:05:45 PM
I think there is too much of a disconnect between the Wiimote and the 3DS for that to work for Nintendo. It would be pretty cool (i.e you should be able to) download V.C games from the Wii to the DS and maybe even some Wiiware games, but that's as far as I see it going.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 02:13:29 PM
The 3DS has cameras and gyros. It could act as a two handed wiimote with 2screens and buttons. There is no disconnect other than form factor.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ShyGuy on September 29, 2010, 02:50:31 PM
Sony should release the PSP2 for under $200 and really undercut Nintendo.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: EternalRain on September 29, 2010, 04:11:38 PM
Sony should release the PSP2 for under $200 and really undercut Nintendo.
Considering how much trouble doing that with the PS3 caused Sony (the first time the company had lost money in over 15 years), I don't think Howard Stringer would even consider losing that much money. If a PSP 2 does happen, I don't think Sony would be willing to lose any more money than they have to.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on September 30, 2010, 01:16:30 PM
I forget where I read it, but I believe someone reported that the PSP2 will be noticeably more powerful than the 3DS and while that may not seem like a big deal in the handheld arena, Sony will be gunning for heavy integration with the PS3 where such power will be a big deal. What if it can be a suitable controller that shows extra map data, or allows multiplayer with no split screen or your opponent seeing what plays your calling or pitches your choosing, etc.? What if you can play CoD or MoH on your PS3 and pick up your game (solo or multiplayer) on your bus ride/car pool to work?
I think there is too much of a disconnect between the Wiimote and the 3DS for that to work for Nintendo. It would be pretty cool (i.e you should be able to) download V.C games from the Wii to the DS and maybe even some Wiiware games, but that's as far as I see it going.
Hmmm... to work as the pointer though, the cameras would still need a fixed point, which is all good if your not sitting in a car or bus.
wouldn't it just use the sensor bar on the Wii? The wiimote is a camera with motion sensors and a gyro, the 3DS is 3D cameras with motion sensors and a gyro. the 3D cameras just need to be able to track IR light and you are good to go.*
and if you are talking about picking up the game on the go and continuing where you left off, check out the AR cards. The camera focuses on the image in the middle and you can move all around that point and the angles you see stay accurate. So all you would need is an AR card that you can place in front of you somewhere, maybe something with a sticky back like a post it note, but a change in portable control scheme would probably be better.
*Imagine Madden 2012 using 2 3DS' for head to head while the game shows up in spectator mode up on the bigscreen through the Wii. The 2 people actually playing aren't actually watching the TV, they are using the 3DS which has audibles and plays on the touch screen and the field view up on the 3D screen. Everyone else will be presented with a Monday night football like presentation on the TV (hooked up to the Wii) with commentary and probably commercials, streamed live from the internet during play calling/micro managing time (in game advertising will find it's way, and that way seems reasonable to me if it's gonna happen).
Take the power of the PSP2 and the PS3 and you could probably have all sorts of connectivity possibilities. Like Movie mode or Spectator mode during a FPS or action game.
They could make the next MGS game play out in real time where you do your mission from the handheld while the Movie game plays out the story on the bigscreen. The person playing on the handheld has to accomplish what need to be done on time and correctly to be in the right places at the right times while the spectators watch from a completely different perspective... now I'm just rambling, but I could finish that thought if anyone is actually interested in hearing it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: apdude on September 30, 2010, 03:21:48 PM
Plus, classic card based games, or board games would work well, where the Wii/TV is the game table and the DS is your hand. For things like this you wouldn't even need fancy motion controls or anything like that so a regular DS would work fine.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ShyGuy on September 30, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
My view is this: Sony tried the higher end portable and failed. They should try a PSP2 budget model that isn't a huge upgrade and sell it cheap.
Otherwise, the most profitable thing Sony can do is not release a PSP2.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
My view is this: Sony tried the higher end portable and failed. They should try a PSP2 budget model that isn't a huge upgrade and sell it cheap.
I think we both know that won't happen. Sony wouldn't dare launch after 3DS with less powerful hardware. That's was the only thing PSP really had over DS. Still, 3DS looks powerful enough that it might not even matter how much more powerful PSP2 may be. Point being, Sony is pretty much screwed. I don't think they really have anything to offer that Nintendo isn't with 3DS. On top of that, it may do less as Sony apparently isn't planning a 3D screen. PSP2 might be able a better multimedia device, but everything is a multimedia device these days and most people aren't going to give up their dedicated players like the iPod Touch (I had no idea how to make that plural) anyway.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ShyGuy on September 30, 2010, 06:37:32 PM
What I would do If I was Sony: Go cheap, add a basic touch screen and make it Android based.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 01, 2010, 08:36:25 AM
I personally don't know why they are bothering with a new handheld. They took a stab at the portable market and failed. Dismally. Sony will spend goodness knows what on a new gaming portable, sell it for a loss. lose more money again and still do no better than this gen.
They should have just cut their losses. Unless there really is something "revolutionary" in this machine it is pretty much doomed (against the 3DS anyway).
It probably would have been more prudent to scrap the PSP label and focus on a dedicated iPod killer. Reinvigorate the Walkman machines.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 01, 2010, 01:13:02 PM
I personally don't know why they are bothering with a new handheld. They took a stab at the portable market and failed. Dismally. Sony will spend goodness knows what on a new gaming portable, sell it for a loss. lose more money again and still do no better than this gen.
They should have just cut their losses. Unless there really is something "revolutionary" in this machine it is pretty much doomed (against the 3DS anyway).
It probably would have been more prudent to scrap the PSP label and focus on a dedicated iPod killer. Reinvigorate the Walkman machines.
It is the most successful non-Nintendo handheld to date, and I also wouldn't call it a "dismal failure", seeing as how it is currently selling very well in Japan and in fact in that latest charts it had more titles on the chart than the DS did for that week. So it wasn't a dismal failure, and arguably not really a failure at all... just because a system isn't number 1 doesn't make it a failure. Nintendo does need to take the threat seriously.
However, I agree it had a very rocky start and it took many years and massive advertising/money hats/whatever for Sony to claw up to that position where it is. But the PSP was just a first start, and the PSP2 will build off on where it left off. Again, Nintendo needs to take it seriously.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2010, 05:14:49 PM
I actually like my PSP. It's a good console (we've been over this...). I'm glad Sony is giving it another go. PSP2 won't stop 3DS, but it's important that Nintendo has a competitor like Sony. Apple is competing in the handheld space but they really aren't offering the same kind of experience. Competition will keep Nintendo from becoming complacent.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 01, 2010, 06:27:11 PM
I personally don't know why they are bothering with a new handheld. They took a stab at the portable market and failed. Dismally. Sony will spend goodness knows what on a new gaming portable, sell it for a loss. lose more money again and still do no better than this gen.
They should have just cut their losses. Unless there really is something "revolutionary" in this machine it is pretty much doomed (against the 3DS anyway).
It probably would have been more prudent to scrap the PSP label and focus on a dedicated iPod killer. Reinvigorate the Walkman machines.
It is the most successful non-Nintendo handheld to date, and I also wouldn't call it a "dismal failure", seeing as how it is currently selling very well in Japan and in fact in that latest charts it had more titles on the chart than the DS did for that week. So it wasn't a dismal failure, and arguably not really a failure at all... just because a system isn't number 1 doesn't make it a failure. Nintendo does need to take the threat seriously.
However, I agree it had a very rocky start and it took many years and massive advertising/money hats/whatever for Sony to claw up to that position where it is. But the PSP was just a first start, and the PSP2 will build off on where it left off. Again, Nintendo needs to take it seriously.
Fair enough. I probably was a bit extreme.
Sony doesn't play for second best. The impression they have always given me is that they must be the kings of whatever field they are playing on. If they go to the effort of directly ripping off another company's hard work, it shows me that they don't care what they have to do to get that number one spot.
As we have already established, Sony will more than likely fail again if they play the same game. This makes me fear that they will just copy the formula that won last time (DS). Maybe not the dual screen, but everything else will be the same, just more powerful, I assume. And then tout it as 100% their own creation. I still think it would be better for Sony to leave the handhelds to the tried and true masters.
But I digress, it is still a wait and see game for now.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2010, 02:27:22 PM
PSP2 not 3D, instead it is a larger HD portable with a touch pad on the back? http://kotaku.com/5672410/psp2-will-be-bigger-out-fall-2011-currently-overheating (http://kotaku.com/5672410/psp2-will-be-bigger-out-fall-2011-currently-overheating)
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Around the time of the Tokyo Game Show, Sony held a private meeting at its offices in Tokyo's Aoyama. The purpose was to show off the PSP2.
Several sources have confirmed to Kotaku that the PSP2 does have a previously rumored touch panel on the back of the hardware. The touch panel was described as looking like a big mouse trackpad.[...]
The screen itself is not only sharper than the current PSP's, but about an inch larger. The larger screen means that the PSP2 will be larger as well. In the private meetings, Sony is touting the screen as "HD". [...] It is unclear whether this is the same handheld described by the Wall Street Journal. According to the paper, Sony is working on a device that mixes a game player, an e-book reader and a netbook computer. [...] Currently, the PSP2's hardware is not finalized, and Sony is having problems balancing battery, power and heat. There are apparently overheating issues, but Sony is, of course, aiming to have those issues corrected by the time the hardware is publicly shown. [...] Sources tell Kotaku that the PSP2's release window is fall 2011.
A track pad on the back is an interesting addition if it's true. it would also take care of that second analog that everyone keeps requesting and won't seem copycat-ish by adding a touchscreen (it could still be in 3D and a track pad would allow some mouse function without interrupting the 3D effect either.)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 25, 2010, 03:05:01 PM
So if you think about it the PSP2 copied the DS's "dual screen" concept, except this is much more retarded because the other screen is on the opposite side of the device which makes it impossible to view both screens at the same time. Having screens on both sides will probably also increase the likelihood of one or both screens getting scratched or damaged, as opposed to Nintendo's clam shell design which protects the screens when not in use.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
it's a touch pad on the back, not a touch screen.
think more something along the lines of a laptop touch pad but on the backside of the PSP2.
I think it's a nice approach to the dual analog issue while providing mouse functions and still being able to use buttons at the same time. check this out: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=2064 (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=2064)
that is likely what they are aiming for, and i wouldn't consider that copying the DS, but actually being innovative. If that is what they are attempting, then I am very interested in seeing how it gets used.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 25, 2010, 03:50:29 PM
It's not a touch SCREEN, but rather a touch PAD, like what laptops have instead of a mouse, and it's a very good idea.
I think it would be a little awkward to use for dual analog, but it could just be something that takes getting used to.
Also, if Sony is making it more of a game playing tablet PC/eReader a touchpad helps navigation. If they can fix the overheating issues this could be a popular device; a true all-in-one. The 3DS may have the 'wow' factor, but I can see myself buying one device that does everything rather than three or four devices on which to game, make calls/texts, read books, and surf the internet on a screen large enough to enjoy watching movie on. If they can actually bring the 'make calls/texts' part to the U.S (I say if because it was removed from the Samsung Galaxy Tab) I would strongly consider buying it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2010, 04:00:02 PM
if they also make the screen 3D with the rear touch tech, then the 3DS *might* be in serious trouble.
it would be a PSP2 w/ a 5-6" 3D screen capable of HD gaming, movies and more + probably lots of onboard storage(16GB+) w/ appz, music, video & gamez store vs 3DS w/ a 3.5" 3D screen and a 3.2" touch screen capable of Hi-rez gaming, movies and more with 1.5GB internal mem w/ games and videos store.
Without 3D, I wonder what the currently rumored PSP2 would retail at.
*considering battery, size and price, 3DS probably wouldn't be in as much trouble as one would think though.*
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 25, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
Unless Sony does including calling, and gets subsidies, this is easily a $400 device. If they can actually get a 720p or 1080p screen on the device they can easily market it as a portable PS3 (market it, not make it true) and convince people to buy the thing. With it's proposed power, screen and functionailty, it might even be $400 on contract like the Galaxy Tab is going to be which it is poised to offer more functinality than.
I agree that PSP2 with a 3D screen would spell trouble for the 3DS. It would make the price and Nintendo's 1st party software the only draws for the system. As much functionality as the second screen offers, it's not really make or break, just a nice additional feature, 3D is make or break because it's still relatively new and thus exiciting.
Hopefully Sony sticks with functionality for its 'excitement factor' (which this time around actually sounds exciting) and they'll sandwich themselves between Apple and Nintendo for competition and maybe take bites out of both markets, while not harming 3rd party support for the 3DS.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Stogi on October 25, 2010, 05:46:16 PM
Got to hand it to Sony. Having a pad on the back eliminates one of the most frustrating things about the Ipad, in that you have to hold it with one hand or get a stand to use it (unless you got big hands like me and can use your thumbs).
I really like the concept art as well and if this thing has 3D, Imma buy it (well depending on the price).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2010, 06:09:31 PM
here is another example of the touch pad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUwm5v1RqGI#t=10m16s
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 26, 2010, 09:49:33 AM
Hopefully it won't have 3D, because I would hate to see Nintendo in dire straits.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 26, 2010, 12:38:25 PM
Sony has said before that they are going to take a wait and see approach to portable 3D gaming, as in let Nintendo take all the risk and if it works, we'll use it. So now the question is, was the well received 3DS reveal enough to convince Sony to move to 3D?
I'm thinking that since they want to release by holiday season 2011 they won't be able to add in 3D; even proven technology needs to be thoroughly tested on a new platform. The info we've been getting on the device suggests that it's been making the rounds for awhile now, and there's been no mention of 3D, so Nintendo should be okay. Between now and the subsequent upgrades for both systems however, Nintendo needs to shove the 3DS down people's throat in the hope that people will want to stick with them and not buy the PSP2 3D.
It would be quite a departure for them but I hope Nintendo makes a 3DS XL that has a touchpad on the back, and enough horsepower to be a tablet pc.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 26, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
Sony could always later create a PSP2 revision that incorporates 3D, much as how Nintendo revised their DS with the DSi. Another possibility is that 3D could be added to existing hardware with the use of 3D glasses, or some peripheral thing like that. Just like Sony was able to add motion gaming into the PS3 by releasing a new controller...
Sony never fails to rip off Nintendo's ideas. The only question is how soon will the ripoff occur? Will it happen immediately? Will it be added months or years later? Or will it wait until the PSP3 far down the line? In any of those cases its going to happen. It always does.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Stogi on October 26, 2010, 03:44:08 PM
The only reason Sony wouldn't incorporate 3D is having to pay Sharp for their screen.
Otherwise, it makes too much sense not to. Sony is a film company as well, so partnering up with Netflix or simply having their own store to stream 3D movies would be a huge plus that even if Nintendo incorporated it, would still blow it out the water due to it also being HD.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2010, 04:27:44 PM
I'm sure Sony has their own glasses-less 3D screen tech somewhere in the R&D phase, and I'm sure major resources have been funneled into that department to get a fully functional prototype that is production worthy by summer 2011 started since the 3DS announcement back in march.
there is probably a reason why devs have been playing with alpha PSP2 prototypes since months ago yet Sony hasn't officially announce or confirmed a damn thing yet, and my guess would be because the hardware is far from final. I'm sure if they can incorporate 3D at the last minute at a reasonable price before the hardware reveal, I'm sure they will do it.
I'm also sure that it will have an miniHDMI out to hook up to the big 3D tv's so everyone can watch (with glasses).
I'm still crossing my fingers and toes that Nintendo isn't gonna let a HUGE opportunity like exclusive portable Netflix 3D slip through their hands. They might not sweat it at first since they are the only 3D portable in town, but when everyone else jumps on the bandwagon and starts firing up those Netflix accounts on other 3D devices with bigger screens and diversified software, it would be too late to realize that an exclusivity agreement would have been a no brainer.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 26, 2010, 10:23:49 PM
Could this really be the PSP2?? I doubt it because it's branded SonyEricsson but it's an interesting device nonetheless. Dual analog touch pad, downloadable games, and power similar to iPhone4. No UMD and no memory stick, good moves on Sony's part.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on October 26, 2010, 11:03:36 PM
We knew Sony was going to use Gingerbread to mke a gaming phone, but I don't think it's the PSP2. It'd break up the market too much. It may run PSP games, but it won't be the PSP2. Sony needs to do something better than a next gen N-gage for that one.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 26, 2010, 11:53:46 PM
I don't think that Sony would make the PSP2 the PSP phone, especially if it's an Android device, unless it has some kind of dual booting OS, since this would probably lead to just playing PSP2 games on similar handsets eventually, and for free.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 26, 2010, 11:56:29 PM
Hmmm I did say that it's probably not the PSP2, but now I'm thinking why would Sony make two devices? Then I thought, this is kind of like the iPhone vs iPod touch question. So who knows...
Having 3G would make mobile online gaming much easier and if it works well, the dual analog touchpad could be a very cool innovation. Sony actually seems to be moving in the right direction with their devices, so color me impressed.
Edit: @Bdog
The article says that it will have a special Sony Marketplace for games, so other Android devices won't have access to the games, also I imagine without the slide-out controls it would be difficult to play most games on other devices.
Edit2: I just went back and checked Engadget's article from earlier when they first caught wind of this device, and apparently it is looking to be a first of many, and not all SonyEricsson 'Playstation Phones'. Rather, this phone is to be the first step in improving gaming on Android phones. There will be a special marektplace, but only phones with a similar control configuration will have access to it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 27, 2010, 01:08:33 AM
You don't need access to the marketplace to install stuff on Android phones. Sure there will probably be some new type of protection...but open source is open source.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 27, 2010, 01:52:51 PM
True, but how do you propose someone play, on a 'non-gaming' android phone, a game that has to detect six unique buttons(especially the shoulder buttons), a control pad, a multitouch dual analog touch pad, and the power required to display the game?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 27, 2010, 02:01:31 PM
So Sony is going to create another portable gaming device in addition to their PSP2? Okay, I say let them do that... there's a quote by Napoleon which says never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake, so I say let's not interrupt them and let them do that.
But its important to note that Balkanizing your video gaming hardware into multiple schizomed platforms usually isn't a good idea. Just ask Sega about that.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 27, 2010, 02:32:43 PM
That phone doesn't have a touch pad, it's not the PSP2. The processor in that phone is nice, but in a couple months, it won't be jack **** compared to the dual core 1Ghz CPUs that we'll be using.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2010, 02:52:27 PM
That phone doesn't have a touch pad, it's not the PSP2. The processor in that phone is nice, but in a couple months, it won't be jack **** compared to the dual core 1Ghz CPUs that we'll be using.
Umm wut? the phone may not be the PSP2, but it does have a touch pad.
Quote from: article
the handset does indeed have a long touchpad in the center which is apparently multitouch
Also, just to put in my 2 cents, I think this looks like a trojan horse by Sony/Ericson they get to flirt with releasing PS1/PS2 games on the mobile market and they may even talk other phone makers into making Android gaming phones that use the same set-up and piggy back teh PS brand onto the Android explosion.
if it works out, then maybe they can release a 3G version of the PSP2 that supports this Andorid+ gaming market and doubles as a high powered phone in addition to being primarily a portable gaming machine.
if it doesn't work out, then business carries on as usual and those that have the phone get to continue to enjoy their PS1/PS2 back catalog and any games that were made specifically for the device. no harm, no foul.
It could be a big pay-off for Sony if handled correctly.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 27, 2010, 03:26:05 PM
Oh, in the center. I thought he was talking about the back-side touch pad that the PSP2 will supposedly have. If it works like other Android phones, you'll probably be able to just sync up a bluetooth controller (like a Wiimote with Classic controller) and map the buttons to the "PSP buttons."
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 27, 2010, 04:23:46 PM
@Chozo: This actually could work for Sony for a couple reasons 1. Both their SonyEricsson line of phones and their Playstation lines are pretty successful; this is actually what they synergy and not balkanizing. 2. Apple has proven that you can indeed successfully sell two devices whose only major difference is a cell phone, and the PSP2 will be more powerful than the PS Phone, still use UMDs and have access to this new gaming-only Android market as well, which suggests the PSP2 will also run Android.
@BnM: Engadget says this phone was made in partnership with Google, who is looking to make Android gaming better, especially against iPhone4/iPad gaming. There's still no official Android for tablets (I'm guessing 3.0 will be tailored for tablets as well as phones) but they'd be foolish to ignore it. I assume they chose SonyEricsson so they could piggyback the PS name and game line-up. Which oddly enough makes that Nintendo ES OS even more dubious.
@Bdog: You're right again, but that sort of kills portability, and would be quite a hassle if the phone didn't have a kickstand. And if your dual core 1Ghz reference was to the 3DS, you're crazy. I'm thinking it'll be something closer to two 300-500Mhz processors, unlike the iPhone, and the PS Phone the 3DS will have a dedicated (as opposed to integrated) GPU so CPU specs can be lower, which saves power as well. A 1Ghz processor is fine on a phone where most of that power is used to speed up applications rather than power gaming, which would be significantly more draining on the battery. Which makes me wonder about the PS Phone's battery life. The iPhone4's battery drains noticeably from serious gaming. And Iwata says they'll have to figure someway to remind people to recharge their 3DS everday, something usually uneccessary for Nintendo portables.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on October 27, 2010, 05:28:59 PM
I'm still crossing my fingers and toes that Nintendo isn't gonna let a HUGE opportunity like exclusive portable Netflix 3D slip through their hands. They might not sweat it at first since they are the only 3D portable in town, but when everyone else jumps on the bandwagon and starts firing up those Netflix accounts on other 3D devices with bigger screens and diversified software, it would be too late to realize that an exclusivity agreement would have been a no brainer.
I don't think Nintendo even needs exclusivity though that sure would be dandy. Netflix just needs to be on 3DS if other devices have it so 3DS doesn't look limiting.
And lawl @ the PSP phone. Using a smartphone as a phone for calling and texting does a good enough job of draining the battery. Playing even cheap marketplace games drains the battery like nobody's business. I can't even imagine what a PSP game would do to a poor smartphone battery that also has to run all the background applications of the operating system while still being a phone with 3G on.
I read an article about the rumored PSP2 earlier today. Apparently, Sony is fiddling with the specs to balance power and battery life which, to me, sounds like they're trying to decide if they can get away with 2.5 hours instead of 3. If Nintendo is having concerns over battery life (which, honestly, is making it easier and easier to pass and wait for the inevitable revision), I can't even imagine what Sony can do with more powerful hardware and an even larger and HD screen than PSP.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: broodwars on October 27, 2010, 05:52:03 PM
You'd think that Sony would have learned something from the fool's errand that was is the PSP. If they couldn't manage to successfully take on Nintendo outside of Japan, how in the world do they expect to be able to successfully take on Apple on the phone platform?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2010, 06:25:29 PM
They don't have to win to stay in the game, they just need to stay relevant, as they have show with the PSP.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Stogi on October 27, 2010, 06:31:19 PM
I don't think this is a good idea. They should make they're PSP2 have a phone than the other way around.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2010, 06:49:24 PM
I don't think this is a good idea. They should make they're PSP2 have a phone than the other way around.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" - Napoleon Bonaparte
I saw that quote earlier today and though it would fit here perfectly even though I disagree, as I have stated in a previous post.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Stogi on October 27, 2010, 06:56:49 PM
While I'm rooting for Nintendo, I wouldn't mind someone stepping on their toes. Either Apple or Sony, but preferably both.
With domination comes arrogance. And I'd hate to see Nintendo become arrogant (again).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 27, 2010, 06:59:45 PM
I kind of feel like I created a monster here, so let me try to be as clear as possible: The PS Phone is more about Android gaming than Playstation gaming.
The battery concerns are justified, but this phone is like the original HTC G1, just the first of many in a new line of Android devices, not HTC devices, despite HTC having the best Android phones imo, and I also think they'll have the best Windows 7 phones.
SonyEricsson is free to call their phone whatever they want, but let me say again that this is an Android gaming machine not a Playstation one.
Games will be made for the specific Android marketplace, not specifically for Sony. Though it does seem like Sony is playing a big part in this. Engadget is reporting that the underlying gaming platform might be called Z-System, and apparently SonyEricsson owns Z-system.com and the trademark.
The anouncement for this thing is going to be huge as both Sony and Google will want to flaunt, as well as whatever carrier gets an exclusive to it, so it shouldn't be too long before we get some concrete facts about Android gaming, and this device as one small part of that as well.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2010, 07:21:21 PM
I figured as much as my 2 cents suggested, and I still think that if this works out for Sony and Android, you could see a PSP2 4G that has access to that same Android gaming market. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Sony put some PS1/2/P games on this market for an instant catalog of games in addition to the games made specifically for the phones.
They would probably find a way to tie it into your PSN account if you choose and manage all your games right from your PS3 at home.
it's also good to get a confirmation that the PSPhone actually exist too, even if it's not exactly what we thought, since it has been rumored for a long time that Sony was working with Google on an Android based PSP Phone out of the Sony/Ericson mobile department.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 27, 2010, 08:50:36 PM
You know...I kind of want one of these now, if Verizon gets one.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 27, 2010, 09:37:56 PM
This is either the new PSP2 which would actually be a great way of making the PSP relevant again in my opinion. Or a prototype phone that may or may not make it to the market.
I think we are assuming that if it is powered by the Android that it must use the Android for all its gaming...but could they have a lightweight OS similar to the PSP in the device as well? Or could it have a PSP app that switches to a mode that uses all the resources for gaming and basically turns the device into phone mode and game mode? That would be an awesome killer attraction to the device.
Also, I really like what they have on show for a slender multi-touch panel. It appears to be sunken in so that you have a natural edge. This would allow for the touch panel to function more like an analog controller and notice there are 2 of them.
I would suspect that this is DEFINITELY a PSP or at least a prototype. Could Sony release this as a standalone PSP and also another with a phone? Also, if Sony releases a new device solely with downloadable games from the beginning it could be more successful I think.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 27, 2010, 10:30:18 PM
If by PSP you mean PS Phone, then you are absolutely right.
Go to Engadget and search for Playstation Phone, they are the ones breaking this story, and have to most info on it. I'll try to give a condensed version, it basical sums up to this:
Google wants to directly compete with iPhone game development, and contracted SonyEricsson to make the first of many Android gaming phones. The phone runs Android and dual OS's on a phone is frankly ridiculous, laptops have enough trouble doing it.
Android gaming on an Android phone made by SonyEricsson, that's where all the information so far points to.
THIS IS NOT THE PSP2.
It isn't the final version of the device, so it may be a prototype, but it is definitely coming to market.
As for an app that switches modes, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of it being a phone? And if it leaves the phone on, why makes an OS overriding app? K.I.S.S I'm not calling you stupid, but keeping it simple is definitely the way to go. The simplest way for this device to function is to run Android as its OS and plays games as though it were a PC or smartphone, like it is, and like the iPhone does; the device the PS Phone and the other Android gaming phones are directly looking to compete with.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 27, 2010, 11:13:53 PM
Hmmm...I think Sony is making a bad move if they are going to do this AND release a PSP2.
Instead, I think Sony, should focus on making a great games for this new device, and release it as the "new PSP" even though it technically isn't. Even if that means losing some hardware sales, Sony hasn't made any money on PSP hardware as far as I am aware of.
It just sounds like a a poor move to release both, because it is confusing to the market, specially with the name Playstation Phone. How are people not going to think it is the PSP.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Stogi on October 27, 2010, 11:15:31 PM
Exactly what I was thinking, Spak.
Putting the brand on something other than the PSP2 will confuse and fragment the market.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 28, 2010, 12:09:21 AM
It's PlayStation Phone, not PlayStation Portable Phone. I imagine it will play ever PSP game though (PSN or Android Marketplace).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 28, 2010, 06:41:52 AM
But see that is the thing it is confusing.
The only way I think this works is if you have the phone be a PSP2 as well. Then you can say buy a PSP2 that is not a phone for gaming...or the Playstation Phone for gaming and a phone...and the phone also plays Android OS games...unless the Android OS will be the OS of the new PSP2 to begin with...that would be brilliant move.
I like both devices that Sony has shown, but which is the device to buy? Which will be supported more? Which will the developers choose? And what about cost?
I really like that they are trying to push Android as a gaming device...and multiple phones might have these features...to me it benefits Sony to develop that standard, and lend their credibility to its success. It may be more important to Sony to go after the Apple market before Nintendo, since they could kill 2 birds with one stone and Apple is still weak since the markets for different carriers hasn't opened up everywhere...but it is about to.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2010, 11:10:34 AM
alright, now that you understand whats happening, you pretty much agreed with my previous post(#153) with your last paragraph.
I really like that they are trying to push Android as a gaming device...and multiple phones might have these features...to me it benefits Sony to develop that standard, and lend their credibility to its success. It may be more important to Sony to go after the Apple market before Nintendo, since they could kill 2 birds with one stone and Apple is still weak since the markets for different carriers hasn't opened up everywhere...but it is about to.
Also, just to put in my 2 cents, I think this looks like a trojan horse by Sony/Ericson they get to flirt with releasing PS1/PS2 games on the mobile market and they may even talk other phone makers into making Android gaming phones that use the same set-up and piggy back teh PS brand onto the Android explosion.
if it works out, then maybe they can release a 3G version of the PSP2 that supports this Andorid+ gaming market and doubles as a high powered phone in addition to being primarily a portable gaming machine.
if it doesn't work out, then business carries on as usual and those that have the phone get to continue to enjoy their PS1/PS2 back catalog and any games that were made specifically for the device. no harm, no foul.
It could be a big pay-off for Sony if handled correctly.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 28, 2010, 11:46:19 AM
What if SonyEricsson calls the phone something else? What if they call it the Droid Gamer, or something along those lines?
To me, this phone is more about SonyEricsson becoming relevant in the phone industry again. I try to stay pretty informed about new technology (shout-out to Engadget, though it's just my 'main' go to site) and I can't think of a single SonyEricsson smartphone. I used to own a SonyEricsson dumbphone before I bought the HTC 8750 (I think those were the numbers might be 8250 but anyway) and the SE was a pretty good phone, but since the smart phone era began, they have been pretty quiet. These days it's all about Apple, HTC, and Samsung, Sony cannot be happy about that.
I think the Playstation branding is to create familiarity with a brand that I bet a lot of people don't know about, or equally damaging, have forgotten about.
The internets are buzzing about this phone, so if they change the name by the time it's released it will still have enough fanfare to add to the presumably massive ad campaign that will follow it's announcement.
As for the PSP2 I could see it having 3 or 4G, but maybe no calling feature, like the Kindle. This would avoid redundancy in their brands, while giving people online gaming everywhere. Not so bad a tagline before saying it does everything. Btw, I hate when Sony says the PS3 does everything, it doesn't play PS2 games, and it doesn't make me breakfast lol.
I don't think their will be redundancy in games really, this phone will be underpowered compared to the PSP2, which Sony is trying to balance power, battery life, and OVERHEATING (seriously? A handheld that might overheat?) so the games will be separate. Also, if Google is serious about competing with iPhone gaming they have to keep Z-System (or whatever they end up calling the gaming platform) as open-source as Android, something Sony has not been a fan of in this past, so getting Android gaming on the official PSP2 might be a little cumbersome as I doubt they'll allow for side-loading games onto the PSP2.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 28, 2010, 12:40:46 PM
I unfortunately don't have much time, but in an interview with CNN Sony's VP of marketing says that the lack of cellular connection is holding back the PSP line of devices. I didn't get a chance to read the whole article, but when I do I'll update if there's anything else relevant.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2010, 12:56:25 PM
you mean this article? http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/10/27/sony.playstation.phone/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/10/27/sony.playstation.phone/index.html)
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[...] Refusing to confirm or deny rumors, Dille did say the lack of a cellular data connection could be holding back Sony's PlayStation Portable game system. "The PSP is a Wi-Fi device," he said. "People are used to having always-connected devices." [...] However, Dille said Sony has competitors, like Apple's iPhone and Google's Android, beat for the attention of serious gamers. PSP's focus is on long, immersive entertainment, not five-minute battles between meetings.
"These are largely time-killers," Dille said of smartphone games. "Gamers aren't satisfied with that."
Whether Sony sees Android's gaming marketplace as a competitor or potential partner, Dille declined to comment. Engadget reported that Android could power the rumored PlayStation Phone.
A spokeswoman present during a CNN interview with Dille after the onstage chat said, "We have relationships with Google." The PSP can already do more than just gaming, Dille said. It has applications for watching movies, making calls over Skype and limited Web browsing. But many of those functions are limited by whether you have Wi-Fi access. Plus, it's not a phone, so you need to carry multiple gadgets. But that could be a selling point, said Dille.
"Consumers like different boxes," he said.
Sony's goal for the PlayStation Network -- the online component for gaming and downloading video of which Dille is also the senior vice president -- is to be an entertainment centerpiece and be always accessible. The current PSP doesn't quite fulfill that vision.
"I don't think we fully realize that vision with a Wi-Fi device," Dille told CNN. "If it's not connected [to a cell network] then it does sort of limit people."
It looks like what I said may be closer to reality than I thought. The possibility of a 3/4G PSP2 with Google Voice and/or Skype might be making it's way to market sometime around the next year or so.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2010, 04:19:52 PM
More rumored details on the PSP2 http://kotaku.com/5675525/psp2-will-ditch-the-umd-may-rival-xbox-360-in-horsepower
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[...] While the device was shown in two form-factors, one that looked like the PSPgo (seen above) and one that looked like the PSP, Sony told attendees that they have not yet settled on the final design for the system.
Since breaking the news earlier this week, a few more details have shaken loose about the device, which our sources have verified.
One of the key ones is that the PSP2 will not have a UMD drive. The UMD (Universal Media Disc) was launched in 2004 for use in the PSP. Initially, the format was used for movies, but slow sales of UMD films lead to studios dropping support for the format.
Sony's PSPgo is UMD-free version of the PSP, and sources tell Kotaku that the PSP2 will follow in the footsteps of that portable. Games will be stored on a Memory Stick, according to one source. Though we've also been told that Sony is still puzzling out what the final non-UMD storage solution will be for the PSP2.
We've also learned that the PSP2 will be a much more powerful gaming device with twice the RAM of the Xbox 360.
While we don't yet know all of the portable's system specifications, we have been told that the PSP2 will feature 1 GB of RAM. That's compared to the 64 MB of RAM the PSPgo and PSP 3000 have. Both of those portables use a MIPS R4000 CPU clocked at up to 333 MHz. By comparison the Xbox 360 has 512 MB of RAM and runs a 3.2 GHZ CPU.
I guess this thing is gonna come with a battery back pack and at what price do they expect to bring this to market? PS3jr? $599 US DOLLARS!?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 28, 2010, 04:45:45 PM
Surely this isn't going to be the PS3 all over again. And here I thought Sony were starting to learn from their mistakes. If this turns out to be true of course.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2010, 04:55:04 PM
Another rumor, but this time from VG24/7 http://www.vg247.com/2010/10/28/psp2-is-codenamed-veta/
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Multiple sources have confirmed to VG247 that PSP2 is currently codenamed “Veta”.
Apparently the name has been picked to disguise the fact that every man and his dog is currently putting together software for the machine. It doesn’t appear to be working.
We’ve also been told the Sony is deliberately spreading misinformation about PSP2 in order to identify where leaks are emerging. Considering your mother probably knows someone who’s seen a kit first-hand, we’re going to wish the Sony bods luck with that.
Kotaku(and/or VG24/7) to be "source"-less in the near future? or mis-information to cast doubts on the "leaks"? Hopefully we find out soon enough.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 28, 2010, 05:30:48 PM
Well, if Sony is giving out misinformation to spot leaks then we can't believe anything at this point.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 28, 2010, 10:50:40 PM
RAM is cheap, and "much more powerful gaming device" would be comparing it to the original anyway, I believe. The PS3 also only has 512MB RAM.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 29, 2010, 09:22:42 AM
The thing is, Sony is kind of doing what Nintendo is doing, with handheld to console power and price. I assume they are hoping that PS3 users will pick up this monster of a device (bigger, heavier, powerfulier, and pricier than it's competition, just like the PS3 originally was) and then they can lower the price, or make a PSP2Go that is smaller, maybe a slider again to disguise its bulk, and is cheaper. And if the PSP2 packs enough functionality (as in rivals the iPad) it might work.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 29, 2010, 11:02:48 AM
The problem is Sony is making an even MORE expensive machine than Nintendo is. Nintendo listened to developers and gave them what that wanted to be able to design great looking games, but still kept the system somewhat downgraded to be more affordable. $300.00 is alot, but the price will be lower I think in other markets...
However, if the rumors about what is in the PSP2 are true...then I don't see how they can release the system under $300.00 dollars, and it will more likely be $400.00
That price to me is just too much...I can spend a few more hundred dollars and get a laptop computer...no thanks. And I know that isn't a fair comparison, but it kinda of is...when you are looking at technology and what is out there, your value your presenting must be comparable to other things on the market at a price point people can understand.
The 3DS fits that...but I dunno about the PSP2. If it is $400 or $500...then you are beginning to compete with the Ipad...and the PSP2 won't win that perception war.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 29, 2010, 11:53:44 AM
With a 6' screen, full OS, camera, and 3or4G, the PSP2 could be good competition for the iPad, especially for people who feel the iPad is too big or doesn't offer enough functionality.
TabletPCs will soon catch up to laptops in terms of power just like laptops caught up to desktops. The only thing they'll be missing is the physical buttons needed for gaming, which is where the PSP2 comes in; 6 or 10(D pad) buttons and a touchpad to emulate a mouse.
With even power (if it is as powerful as the X360), the PSP2 may even be able to play PC games reworked for its button configuration. It all depends on implementation and public reception.
Edit: For point of reference look at the Samsung Galaxy Tab, which has a 7' screen, and in the U.S it's wifi only. The PSP2 is right in that range, and may even have the 3G that the international SGT has.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 29, 2010, 03:21:39 PM
The PSP2 isn't going to be anywhere near as powerful as the XBox 360. The 360 may not be able to compete with modern PCs, but it still has a 3.2Ghz 3-core PowerPC CPU. There doesn't even exist any dual-core CPU mobile phones yet, and when they do come around, they'll probably start at 800Mhz or 1Ghz, and they'll cost a ****-ton of money.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2010, 03:37:31 PM
The PSP2 isn't going to be anywhere near as powerful as the XBox 360. The 360 may not be able to compete with modern PCs, but it still has a 3.2Ghz 3-core PowerPC CPU. There doesn't even exist any dual-core CPU mobile phones yet, and when they do come around, they'll probably start at 800Mhz or 1Ghz, and they'll cost a ****-ton of money.
Dual cores are supposed to be hitting before XMas, but Marvell just announced a mobile Quad core @ 2.5ghz (I mentioned it in the rumor thread I think, but here is another link on it) http://www.androidtapp.com/lets-skip-dual-core-processors-manufacturers-already-talking-quad/
but I'm sure you're right that it will cost alot, and who knows how bad the battery life will be. if the PSP2 gets anything less than 5 hours then you are moving into GameGear/Nomad territory. Nobody wants to have to charge a device 1-2 times a day just so it's ready to go.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on October 29, 2010, 03:38:31 PM
As for the new PSP product, as mentioned, I know that you are not asking me to tell you when we will be coming out with a new product, but there is a gaming market based on [the] cellphones, and there are many changes that are being seen [with] Nintendo, as well as ourselves, in the field of the product for the gamers. And there are smartphones and others or even cellphones gaming markets are very popular here in japan. So the market itself is very... expanding.
It's not that we are not looking into those markets as well. We will look into those markets in trying to develop strategy for the future. Of course, we can't talk about specific products, but smartphones and tablets... it is difficult to tell you how we can put the games on them, but they are not going to be planned in different parts of our company. When we organized ourselves last April, we introduced network services, and within that umbrella, network services, all of these products are handled. Therefore, the planning and the prototypes for various content [are] all carried out within this... one umbrellas.So we are trying to figure out what we can do as Sony in this market. I think this is as far as I can tell you regarding these products at market.
There [are] so many different elements. There is Sony Ericsson and there is SCE. They moved from Aoyama, the design and headquarters had to come to Sony City. Of course this contributes to savings on rent on an office... but they are [also] closer to the planning and engineering group of Sony, and I think we can better incorporate all of these capabilities better... so when the timing is right we can probably announce [to] you about the new product that we have.
As for tablet, and this, too, we will not be able to tell you when and what kind of product. But obviously as a mobile strategy, this occupies a very important position. On one hand there is PC, and on the other hand there is [the] joint venture with Ericsson on smartphone and for the games devices. And tablets, some fall somewhere in between, and it is true Apple has led the market, but when we are to enter the market, we would like to put a Sony character onto the... a new product, and that is the effort we are making right now. Therefore I think you can hope for a very good product to come out.
Most of the bold sentences were done by Engadget I, did the one where he says it's difficult to tell you how we're going to put games on smartphones and tablets... We already know about the Playstation Phone, so will there also be a Playstation Tablet? No more PSP?? But they're pretty much saying they'll be a Playstation Tablet, they pretty much said anything they release in those markets is going to revolve around gaming. This could be exciting, I would probably have bought a Galaxy Tab if they brought the 3G model to the market, so I could make calls with a bluetooth headset and have a pocketable computer (if I could save enough lol), but if the Playstation Tablet/PSP2 is around $400 and doesn't burn off my fingerprints (some people may want it to...) it might be a pretty good purchase, alongside the 3DS which would still be my first buy, but again that's asking a lot $ and I'm more willing to go for the 3DS... I think.
I don't know what's up with all the size color boxes...Or why my text is italic... guess it carried over Engadget's formatting.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
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I don't know what's up with all the size color boxes...Or why my text is italic... guess it carried over Engadget's formatting.
no one will be trying to quote that post. trust me on that. too many {tags} inserted to be worth the trouble. It's something I've made sure was known about, but the only thing I can suggest is to make sure you click that red "A" on the advanced editor screen before you paste something from another site.... or even this site, if you want to save yourself from a formatting and editing nightmare.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 29, 2010, 05:03:38 PM
The PSP2 may have twice the RAM as the 360 (I say "may" because that is just a rumor at this point), but RAM isn't everything. As others have pointed out, the 360's processor is a behemoth that is unmatched by any mobile phone at this point, and it is very doubtful the PSP2 will be any exception to that. Other factors besides RAM matter when measuring how powerful a device is.
Portable devices have the very important issue of power consumption that isn't much of an issue of something plugged into a wall like a console, so the PSP2 will be heavily restricted by the amount of power it consumes. This doesn't mean a powerful processor isn't possible, but there are a lot more logistics involved with getting it into a small device and keeping it from sucking the battery dry. So I'm thinking we may see something about as powerful as the Wii, or perhaps even a bit more powerful... but certainly not at the level of the 360.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 29, 2010, 11:13:05 PM
The Wii will be nothing compared to it. Pretty much every (high-end, or "bleeding edge") smartphone produced in the last 6 months is more powerful than the Wii, in every aspect.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2010, 01:51:58 PM
PSP2 Dev kit pics have been leaked - Dual Analog, rear track pad and Front & Rear facing cameras./size] http://www.vg247.com/2010/11/17/psp2-dev-kit-snaps-show-twin-sticks-trackpad/
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VG247 has obtained the world’s first images of the current PSP2 dev kit.
The shots clearly show the device’s forward- and rear-facing cameras, as well as the much-discussed trackpad on the rear of the unit.
Note that this isn’t the console’s final form factor. As you can see, developers are working with a kit with similar construction to a PSP go at the moment, with a sliding screen over physical controls. We don’t know when the final physical spec will be nailed down, only that this isn’t it.
We were first told PSP2 kits were in developers’ hands early this year.
It has an HD screen. The last set of rumours surrounding the handheld said the chipset has yet to be finalised.
The machine is rumoured to be extremely powerful, with approximately twice as much RAM as a 360.
EA has confirmed it’s had “exposure” to the unit, and developer Netherrealm has openly admitted it’s working with a kit.
PSP2 is supposedly heading for release in late 2011.
But that might not be the final design, it may have switched back to the original PSP non-slider model
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Update: We’ve been told by a source that these images are from the last kit. There’s a newer one, which is a single, non-sliding block. Remember those last Kotaku rumours of the unit over heating? Sony switched back to the current PSP form in order to cool it down.
Front Pic (http://imgur.com/1IwKU.jpg)
Rear Pic (http://imgur.com/vYh0a.jpg)
That seems to be everything the PSP fanboys have been asking for design-wise so I hope they are happy. It's a shame that they might not get to keep that slider design in the launch model though, I think it would look sleeker that way.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 17, 2010, 08:18:25 PM
Looks big and clunky...I hope everything is designed well for them. Not that I will buy one.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2010, 10:12:36 PM
If you match up the size of the buttons, its only a little bigger than the PSPgo and looks to have the same size screen too.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 17, 2010, 10:15:42 PM
True...but if you take the slide mechanic out...then you have to stretch it out like a PSP...and I thought that was too big. Maybe the will try a clam shell design.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Kytim89 on November 17, 2010, 10:30:35 PM
I heared a while back that the PSP 2 was going to ditch the UMD drive. So, would it go to digital down loads like the PSPGo and suffer the same fate as that console? Perhaps Sony has a new format to introduce to the market? This seems highly unlikely until we realize that perhaps Sony has learned from Nintendo that handhelds need cartridges and has implemented their own version of the media for the PSPGo.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2010, 10:49:07 PM
They already have a cartridge format that they produce in house. It's called a Mem Stick and they might as well adapt a separate proprietary version of that failed format.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on November 17, 2010, 11:03:47 PM
That right thumbstick on the outside is going to take some getting used to. Also, I still don't get the rear trackpad. I find that to be far less useful than a touchscreen.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Kytim89 on November 17, 2010, 11:05:36 PM
They already have a cartridge format that they produce in house. It's called a Mem Stick and they might as well adapt a separate proprietary version of that failed format.
This is what I meant, sorry.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2010, 11:36:27 PM
That right thumbstick on the outside is going to take some getting used to. Also, I still don't get the rear trackpad. I find that to be far less useful than a touchscreen.
It's exactly like a touch screen only you don't touch the front of the screen and obstruct your view.
I think it's an excellent idea as it allows you to hold the PSP2 firmly in both hand and use both analogs or a combination of buttons and trackpad all at the same time. It could also double as L2 & R2 since the track pad is most likely multi-touch. If they happen to go with a 3D screen, or allow you to use your Sony branded 3D glasses with the screen, then you will be able to manipulate objects on the screen by using the trackpad on the back without killing the 3D effect or even blocking your view.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on November 18, 2010, 12:32:08 AM
It's exactly like a touch screen only you don't touch the front of the screen and obstruct your view.
It lacks precision since you're have no idea where your tapping or swiping. That, to me, seems far less convenient or intuitive. Maybe I just need to see it in action. However, a game like Elite Beat Agents wouldn't even work with a rear trackpad instead of a touchscreen. I feel like anything you can do with a rear trackpad, you can do and almost always do better with a touchscreen. An obstructed view wasn't ever really a problem on DS as no one complained about it. The rear trackpad seems to be Sony's lame attempt at innovation. Jeez, of all the things not to completely copy from Nintendo...
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 18, 2010, 12:43:56 AM
I'll just quote a previous post that could give you a better idea on how it might work.
think more something along the lines of a laptop touch pad but on the backside of the PSP2.
I think it's a nice approach to the dual analog issue while providing mouse functions and still being able to use buttons at the same time. check this out: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=2064 (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=2064)
that is likely what they are aiming for, and i wouldn't consider that copying the DS, but actually being innovative. If that is what they are attempting, then I am very interested in seeing how it gets used.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on November 18, 2010, 10:12:21 AM
The rear trackpad, as BnM mentioned as a dual analog alternative, and mouse, the rear trackpad is near genius. You don't need to see where your pointing for those things, as your gun and mouse will show you. Also for a game like (I'm drawing a blank on the name, but it's the one where you're a white tiger and paint things with a magical brush) you again don't need to see what you're doing, you just need to perform the symbol.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shaymin on November 18, 2010, 01:36:42 PM
Also for a game like (I'm drawing a blank on the name, but it's the one where you're a white tiger and paint things with a magical brush) you again don't need to see what you're doing, you just need to perform the symbol.
Okami?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on November 18, 2010, 05:02:32 PM
The rear trackpad, as BnM mentioned as a dual analog alternative, and mouse, the rear trackpad is near genius.
The rumored PSP2 dev kit has 2 analog sticks. Using an on screen cursor with an unobstructed view is about the only real advantage over the touchscreen.
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Also for a game like [Okami] you again don't need to see what you're doing, you just need to perform the symbol.
True, but that game is still possible on a touchscreen. In fact, DS is getting the sequel, Okamiden. However, as I previously stated, there are games such as Elite Beat Agents where you absolutely do need to see what you're doing. The rear trackpad just seems like a stepback when Sony could just as easily throw in a touchscreen. Here's an idea: include both a touchscreen and a rear touchpad. That wouldn't really add too much to the price and, honestly, I doubt that's really a concern for Sony considering how juiced the hardware supposedly is.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on November 19, 2010, 10:00:52 AM
I get what you're saying, and I think the PSP2 will have a touch screen but won't be much used for gaming except to maybe tap a quick icon on the side. When it comes to drawing things on the screen, then you start obstructing your view. A rear trackpad means developers will have design their games differently, and as seen with the Wii and DS that is something they at least like to try.
Edit: Yes, I was thinking of Okami.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 25, 2010, 03:12:12 PM
PS Phone to launch in Feb 2011 http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-25-ps-phone-to-launch-in-feb-2011-report
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Sony will launch the heavily rumoured PlayStation Phone in February 2011, a new report claims.
It will be officially unveiled on 9th December, PocketGamer reckons (thanks, VG247). [...] According to website MobileCrunch, the phone will be formerly launched next February.
Apparently the phone's screen is "on par" with the iPhone's Retina display. Sony's Bravia technology is said to have "trickled" in here, with Sony Ericsson considering leveraging the Bravia brand when highlighting the display.
Games will be priced at mobile game rates, not PSP rates. Sony Ericsson currently has the off-contract price somewhere around $500, with that purchase including five free games.
The PlayStation Phone, along with the PSP2, is one of the worst kept secrets in gaming. [...] According to the Wall Street Journal, the PlayStation Phone will carry the Sony Ericsson Xperia brand, run Google Android and offer games through an application.
Well that settles that. PS Phone with Android just as expected. Not the PSP2, so they shall co-exist, in 2 different markets, and seems to be launching the same time as the 3DS is Japan.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on November 26, 2010, 01:55:48 PM
I know it wasn't you, but it should read 'formally introduced' not formerly...
I wonder how much people will be confused with a launch next to the 3DS's, if I were Sony I'd have waited for a date closer to the next iPhone release as that is their real competition.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Ian Sane on November 26, 2010, 02:14:20 PM
I think having the PS Phone and PSP2 as seperate products is a mistake. Well I guess I would have two seperate models, a phone and a game-system only model, but they would use the same games. For the "mobile phone rates" issue just have an online store that sells budget games in that price range but the store can be accessed on either model. But if you want to get a game with some more meat to it you pay accordingly and buy a full on game at a typical portable videogame price.
Right now consoles have a similar setup anyway where there are retail games and downloadable games. The downloadable games are usually cheaper and are also "lesser" games that don't have the all the frills of big budget retail title. This would really be no different.
But as seperate products with seperate incompatible games I figure one will eat too much into the other. Yeah a portable gaming system phone hybrid is like the N-Gage. But I think the N-Gage was released at the wrong time before people got used to using their phone as more than phone and it was an outright crap product with **** games. With Sony in charge it doesn't have to be that way.
Do they honestly expect people to carry their PS Phone and PSP2 with them at the same time? The PSP2 will probably struggle to compete with the 3DS anyway. This would seperate the product and allow it to compete in a slightly different market.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on November 27, 2010, 05:10:04 PM
I think what they are doing is competing with Nintendo and Apple separately.
Does Nintendo really expect people to carry around an iPhone (or other (possibly autostereoscopic) smartphone) and their 3DS? I suspect the answer to that is yes, and Sony wants to step in and replace both of those products.
If you believe the iPhone with its 'inferior' games is eating into the handheld market, then the PSPhone is brilliant because it offers an Android alternative.
If you don't believe so, and think people want two devices, then the PSPhone is still brilliant because now Sony is offering both of those devices. Maybe the PSPhone + PSP2 will be inferior to smartphone + 3DS but it's a good plan regardless.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: SixthAngel on November 27, 2010, 11:48:46 PM
The psphone is using android? So its just going to a regular android phone with analogs and game buttons? I have an android now and the lack of buttons make it shitty for games so its a welcome addition. If it gets rid of the slide out analog typing pad i don't know if I'd like it though. Sometimes I just don't want to use the touchscreen
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 28, 2010, 08:21:42 AM
Ian I agree. I thought it would have been brilliant to make both these devices the same. However, I understand why they didn't. Right now, Android is trying to differentiate itself from Apple. This new Playstation phone isn't only Sony...but it is the first in hopefully a permeant new standard for Android gaming phones. Buttons, touch pad analog and such to create a real gaming device within a phone. Sony, doesn't want their shiny new PSP to be android based where anyone can develop the hardware for it and launch it.
Hence, the Playstation Phone...a phone with a strong brand named backed by Sony that will hopefully make the company a lot of money and keep with apple in ways Apple can not compete back.
Now, the PSP2 is the pure media and gaming device...think of it as like the Ipod to Apples Iphone....or the Ipod to the Playstation Phone. However, this device will be a more powerful beast. It is going to be a pure portable gaming monster...which Sony is probably hoping that the Ipad sales show people want devices with that much power and cost.
It will be everything a Sony product tends to be. State of the art, advanced technology with an extremely premium price that everyone will praise...but not many will want to buy because of the high end cost.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on November 28, 2010, 10:32:53 AM
The psphone is using android? So its just going to a regular android phone with analogs and game buttons? I have an android now and the lack of buttons make it shitty for games so its a welcome addition. If it gets rid of the slide out analog typing pad i don't know if I'd like it though. Sometimes I just don't want to use the touchscreen
Yeah it's not going to have a physical keyboard (slide out analog typing pad) AND slide out gaming controls, and I don't see how a dual slider could work either, though who knows...
Android is becoming the anti-Apple (which makes me wonder where Windows Phone 7 fits in, because it is my preferred mobileOS) and this phone, and those that follow, are giving people more reasons to move away from the iPhone. The iPhone is not going to die by any means, but Android is getting ever more popular, and the fact that it isn't just one device will also help. Which is why the PSPhone needs to be followed by other gaming Android phones of differing design and functionality, though I wonder how Google will get the message across that the PSPhone is part of their overall gaming platform. They could just do like Samsung with their Galaxy S line of phones/tablets but the PS brand is pretty strong one as compared to the inconsequential names of Samsung's individual phones.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 29, 2010, 10:18:21 AM
The psphone is using android? So its just going to a regular android phone with analogs and game buttons? I have an android now and the lack of buttons make it shitty for games so its a welcome addition. If it gets rid of the slide out analog typing pad i don't know if I'd like it though. Sometimes I just don't want to use the touchscreen
Yeah it's not going to have a physical keyboard (slide out analog typing pad) AND slide out gaming controls, and I don't see how a dual slider could work either, though who knows...
Android is becoming the anti-Apple (which makes me wonder where Windows Phone 7 fits in, because it is my preferred mobileOS) and this phone, and those that follow, are giving people more reasons to move away from the iPhone. The iPhone is not going to die by any means, but Android is getting ever more popular, and the fact that it isn't just one device will also help. Which is why the PSPhone needs to be followed by other gaming Android phones of differing design and functionality, though I wonder how Google will get the message across that the PSPhone is part of their overall gaming platform. They could just do like Samsung with their Galaxy S line of phones/tablets but the PS brand is pretty strong one as compared to the inconsequential names of Samsung's individual phones.
This this to me is actually not good for Android. When you are looking at devices you want some sort of standard. The Android OS is a great alternative for the Smart Phones, however with no standard interface you are going to have a hard time developing apps and such. The Android phones are gaining popularity because that OS is in literally every alternative to Apple and Windows mobile OS. But with no singularity Apps are hit and miss. In fact, it is even difficult to upgrade your phone to the next version of Android...no doubt because the phone makes don't know if all their in house developed apps work well with the newer OS.
There is a reason why Apple keeps on dominating the smart phone market and why Nintendo keeps on dominating the portable market. It isn't just because they make great products, its because their design is well thought out. Apple and Nintendo are not always the most powerful devices or the best...but they are the most rounded products.
I find pushing a gaming device Android phone will only work if they develop a standard singularity...and perhaps that is why Sony is making the first one...Sony is going to build that standard.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on November 29, 2010, 01:13:23 PM
It isn't Google's fault that it's difficult to upgrade Android phones as it is the responsibility of the phone manufacturer to do that since such an upgrade requires an unlocking of sorts of their product, as well as them pushing the update through their servers. Manufacturers are realizing this and making it easier for themselves and their customers to upgrade. And yes, there will be a standard for Android gaming devices, but that will be more about having the right amount of physical buttons and control options not OS version.
Engadget has a post up about Sony patent applications referencing a tocuhscreen that has certain buttons on the touchscreen sectioned off, and for controlling things 'through the screen' with a touchpad on the back. The article mentions that as a whole the patents sound like they would be more for a tablet than a gaming handheld, but with the PSPhone, is PSTablet really that absurd, especially with Sony hinting they were interested in such thing?
Engadget provides an example from MS of what of means to control things through the screen, but they used two touchscreens (on a PSP like device) where the top screen showed the fingers that were resting on the back of the device/second touch screen. That gives you a good point of reference for manipulating things on the screen without obscuring your view. I wonder if this will make it possible for direct multiplatform games between the PSP2 and 3DS.
Edit: Sony is coming out with unlimited music for the PSP using a cloud-based service called Qriocity (curiosity-took me a long while to get that). It's coming out for the current PSP, but will likely show up on PSP2/Phone. The usefulness will depend on depth of service (i.e building playlists, resume functions, music library etc.) but it sounds very cool.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Ian Sane on November 29, 2010, 02:01:41 PM
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If you believe the iPhone with its 'inferior' games is eating into the handheld market, then the PSPhone is brilliant because it offers an Android alternative.
If you don't believe so, and think people want two devices, then the PSPhone is still brilliant because now Sony is offering both of those devices.
I guess what I'm figuring is that regardless of how the situation is, Sony is in the unique position to make a product that can compete in both markets. Apple doesn't know games, Nintendo doesn't know anything outside of games. Sony is unique in knowing both.
Apple might have the iPod and iPad and iPhone but they all play MP3s and they all work with iTunes. It isn't like there are some songs that only work on the iPod and some that only work on the iPhone. They're different products by the same company and some may compete with each other and some may not but they're all playing the same songs. But with what Sony is doing well there's this game on the PS Phone and this game on the PSP2 and it just seems like they're seperate products with seperate incompatible games for no good reason. I think it would be better that this ONE game is a big hit and it's a hit on the PS Phone and PSP2 and anyone who owns either can get it and if you switched from one to the other your game still works on both.
I figure the way the market is there are those for which cellphone games are good enough and those that need to have a dedicated portable gaming system. So I say why not make those one in the same. The guy who needs a gaming system may buy the phone if he can play the same games on it. Maybe he was going to shop around for his phone but the ability to have both in one sold him on Sony's phone. Or you have the opposite where the guy wants the phone and then later decided to get more into games so he's buying PSP2 games for his phone, not just $1 cellphone games. Maybe he later gets a different non-Sony phone but gets a seperate PSP2 to continue playing his game or he gets into the PS3.
I also figure that having them both be "Playstation" would give people the natural assumption that they're compatible. It may create confusion. I don't think it is very obvious that they would be incompatible. They're both portable and both are "Playstation" so why are the games different? I think Joe Blow off the street would assume they would be one in the same and might be turned off when he finds out they're not. I think one's natural assumption is that Sony is trying to rip you off by making them incompatible. "Oh, I see how this works! They want me to have to buy both!"
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 29, 2010, 07:50:57 PM
The iPhone and iPod Touch are the same product for all intents and purposes. If/when a PSP 2 gets announced, I would expect it to be the same (where the PSP 2 is just the same device without the ability to make calls).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 30, 2010, 11:43:38 PM
I'm cool with Sony releasing two incompatible and mutually competing devices. In fact, I hope they release 4 or 5 more. When Sony offs itself by its own stupidity it will mean continued dominance of the handheld arena by Nintendo. I'm cool with that. So please go ahead, Sony, and do exactly what you're doing. While you're at it, why not introduce a few more dead end proprietary media formats as well, ala UMD?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: SixthAngel on December 01, 2010, 03:35:28 AM
The iPhone and iPod Touch are the same product for all intents and purposes. If/when a PSP 2 gets announced, I would expect it to be the same (where the PSP 2 is just the same device without the ability to make calls).
I don't think they can really be the same though because the first one is android based. If the psp2 is the same then all its games will basically be available for all android phones giving itself some incredible competition. I also don't know how charging licensing fees would work in a situation like that.
Played a game on the subway using my android today and faux d-pads are horrible. To keep playing I need to buy/make something that blocks the area in between the d pad buttons. I don't see myself sacrificing the texting power of my analog keypad though, especially since I don't like to change phones very much. I guess I just want my phone to do phone things best. Now if they could make it dual sliding and have the game part go up and the keyboard go down it would be amazing.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on December 01, 2010, 11:08:13 AM
If the PSP2 uses Android as an OS that doesn't mean its games will be available on other Android devices, especially if(since?) they use physical media for the games. And even if they use digital downloads for games, the other device would have to have not only the same incredible specs the PSP2 will have, but also the architecture/emulation, and the right control inputs.
Also, how are PSPhone and PSP2 going to compete with each other? Unlike the iPhone/iPod touch, they actually serve wholly different functions and markets. If Apple can sell two nearly identical products, why can't Sony sell two that appeal to different people? No one buys an iPhone and an iPod as that would be redundant, but a PSPhone and PSP2 make sense for a serious gamer who may not always want to carry around two devices.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: vudu on December 03, 2010, 01:59:12 PM
Do we know what carrier(s) the PSPhone will work with?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shaymin on December 03, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
Sony Ericsson hasn't made a CDMA (Verizon/Sprint compatible) phone since the first half of Bush's first term, so you're looking at T-Mobile/at&t in the US and all carriers internationally.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on December 04, 2010, 10:08:08 AM
Video of the PSPhone in action. The first is 15 seconds and just shows the person accessing the games app, which of course there aren't any games on it yet, and the second is 1:55 and gives a tour of the phone, though there isn't any audio in either of them.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on December 04, 2010, 09:42:04 PM
Looks pretty bulky. Well, not compared to a DS or PSP. As a phone, I wouldn't want to hold that up to my ear.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 04, 2010, 10:55:23 PM
I think I want one...Sony Ericsson makes nice phones, it's got gingerbread, and rooting it would lead to all kinds of awesomeness - maybe all of the homebrew that already exists on the PSP (even though much of it can be found for Android as well).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 06, 2010, 06:11:58 PM
Looks pretty bulky. Well, not compared to a DS or PSP. As a phone, I wouldn't want to hold that up to my ear.
Not to mention that Sony products have a reputation for the battery spontaneously exploding. Having hot battery acid exploding all over your face isn't going to be fun.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: mudjah on December 09, 2010, 01:32:03 PM
I don't think this psp phone is any good idea, I mean, people want to change phone like twice a year it seems, this phone/game will get out of style very fast, the phone market is crazy fast.
Buy a phone today and it seems like a dinosaur six months from now.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on December 09, 2010, 04:42:05 PM
They could always just annually or biannually update the model every year. It could be slimmer, have more storage, become 4G compatible, etc. If it's really gonna compete in the phone market, then it's gonna have to do that anyway.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 10, 2010, 02:37:06 AM
They could always just annually or biannually update the model every year. It could be slimmer, have more storage, become 4G compatible, etc. If it's really gonna compete in the phone market, then it's gonna have to do that anyway.
That's probably what they will end up doing. It will work fine for the phone, but its going to leave the handheld version in the dust and probably cause some Segaesque Schizoming further down the road. Because the Handheld PSP isn't going to be constantly upgraded, so after a few years there's going to be a marked difference between the two, and this will mean different versions of games may have to be created for both platforms, with the version for the handheld being the inferior. Just like how there would be versions of games for the Genesis and other version for the 32X, and perhaps another version for the Saturn. We all know how that worked out.
There is some wise old proverb about how if you chase two rabbits you will end up catching neither of them. Sony is making a serious mistake by trying to chase both the 3DS and IPhone at the same time. They're literally splitting themselves apart as they try to do this. If they were the market leader in handhelds they might be able to pull it off, but they're a distant 2nd in handhelds and the phone market is something else entirely. I just don't think this is going to work out well for them... apparently they didn't learn from their mistakes regarding the PS3 and PSP Go...
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 10, 2010, 02:46:30 AM
I'm guessing the phone won't be at the same level as the PSP2, at least to start, and the games on the phone will have to be made with the initial model in mind. Just look at the iPhone: it was only earlier this year that you started to see games that wouldn't run on the original iPhone from 2007 (with a couple minor exceptions).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on December 12, 2010, 11:48:02 PM
Well, PSPhone games and PSP2 games don't really have to be the same thing. The PSP2 can afford to have substantially better hardware than a PSPhone since it wouldn't have to worry about any of the phone bits. The portable gaming market is already split. There's a casual market of people who play on their phones and a hardcore market that needs dedicated devices to fulfill their needs. Sony is probably assuming they can appeal to both with the Playstation brand.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2010, 02:07:10 AM
Kinda late with the update here but....
PSP 2 to Rival PS3 Graphics Source says Sony's new handheld will be a graphical powerhouse. http://gear.ign.com/articles/113/1138871p1.html (http://gear.ign.com/articles/113/1138871p1.html)
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We've heard a lot of rumors regarding the PSP 2 but it has been limited largely to isolated reports regarding specific features; today, however, we've received a comprehensive rundown of the device's features from someone with direct hands-on experience with the forthcoming handheld.
According to our source, current iterations of the PSP 2 feature dual analog sliders that are comparable to those found on the existing PSP but are unique in that they have concave indentations rather than convex. It maintains the slider design of the PSPgo, but increases the overall size to accommodate the new features and a slightly larger touch-enabled display.
As would be expected, the PSP 2, like the PSPgo, lacks a UMD drive and will run downloadable or expandable memory-based games. The device also incorporates both front- and rear-facing cameras, presumably for pictures, video recording and communication, and augmented reality-based games.
Notably, the frequently rumored rear-mounted touch panel is real and features a smooth glass-like surface, which our source says can be used for a variety of input functions such as analog thumbstick-type controls, taps, swipes and other gesture commands like a swipe to reload motion.
Our source also confirmed the recent batch of leaked images from VG247, which detail the state of current development units.
As far as graphics are concerned, the PSP 2 is a beast, packing enough processing hardware to produce graphics comparable to early PlayStation 3 titles. The processor, we're told, is just over half as powerful as the PS3, though the specific framework of the cores and the clock speed was not revealed.
While the device isn't as powerful as the PlayStation 3, its components should allow it to sufficiently play games of comparable graphical quality due to the fact that it is rendering to a smaller, lower-resolution display than a full 1080p HDTV.
All things considered, it seems that Sony aims to allow developers to port or custom-tailor PlayStation 3 titles for use on the handheld, potentially to create a ubiquitous gameplay experience that could sync seamlessly between the console and the handheld. In other words, players could potentially start games on their PlayStation 3 and continue them on-the-go with the PSP 2.
Despite all we've learned, several key questions remain – namely how much it will cost and when we may see it publicly unveiled. Naturally, a device as powerful and full-featured as this would fetch a pretty penny, perhaps as much as the PS3 itself, and we wouldn't be surprised to see its official debut at E3 2011.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 13, 2010, 03:39:23 AM
Oh dear. This thing will have to run on AC power, it will absolutely destroy its batteries.
And another thing, if these games are going to be PS3 quality visuals then these games are going to be huge. This wouldn't be an issue on physical media, but if you have to download everything.... Wow. I hope people who buy this have nice big internet plans.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 13, 2010, 05:47:47 AM
So if it only runs downloadable games, then aren't retailers going to be unhappy? Perhaps even to the point where they would opt to not sell the hardware?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 13, 2010, 09:32:29 AM
Based on the PSP Go's lack of success, I can't imagine Sony would go with a download-only system again. I could see them actually switching to cartridges before making the same mistake twice.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shaymin on December 13, 2010, 09:41:58 AM
Or Memory Sticks. The PSP2 could have two memory slots - one specifically for the games, one for the user storage.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Stogi on December 13, 2010, 10:28:35 AM
I'd buy it just for the jailbreaking potential.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 13, 2010, 10:48:52 AM
I'll second that - if this thing is as exploitable as the PSP or the PS3, then it's potentially the most badass portable media center and gaming machine on the planet, especially if (and I assume it will) has an HDMI port.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 13, 2010, 11:36:54 AM
So if it only runs downloadable games, then aren't retailers going to be unhappy? Perhaps even to the point where they would opt to not sell the hardware?
A lot of retailers refused to even carry the PSP Go. Besides, the PSP Go bombed (although Sony tried to spin it by saying they never expected it to sell well). No way do I see a PSP 2 being as powerful as that rumor, the battery life would be like 2 hours.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 13, 2010, 12:25:18 PM
Well, seeing as how they tested the download only waters with PSP Go and even they themselves deem that as a failure, then I don't see how this rumor of the PSP2 being like that could actually be true. More likely, they'll do something like the DS by taking a flash media format (most likely their own memory stick, as suggested in a previous post) and then further modify it to make it more difficult to be pirated. That to me seems like the most sensible thing to do, but then again this is Sony we're talking about here so don't be surprised if it ends up running on Mini Blu-ray discs, or something completely new altogether.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2010, 12:59:30 PM
Oh dear. This thing will have to run on AC power, it will absolutely destroy its batteries.
And another thing, if these games are going to be PS3 quality visuals then these games are going to be huge. This wouldn't be an issue on physical media, but if you have to download everything.... Wow. I hope people who buy this have nice big internet plans.
So if it only runs downloadable games, then aren't retailers going to be unhappy? Perhaps even to the point where they would opt to not sell the hardware?
you guys need to read more carefully
Quote from: IGN Article
As would be expected, the PSP 2, like the PSPgo, lacks a UMD drive and will run downloadable or expandable memory-based games.
That means it will use a cartridge or flash based card of some sort in addition to being able to download software.
also with that kind of power, I'm expecting this thing to cost a minimum of $399 up to $499 (iPad price range) and do just about everything from gaming to casual web browsing and be a top notch PMP. I bet it will also be capable of supporting 3D (w/ glasses) from Day1.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 13, 2010, 01:43:53 PM
Glasses-based 3D on a mobile device is a horrible idea. And Sony's not Apple; they can't get away with charging $500 for something like this. If they try it'll be the PS3 all over again, except worse. The PS3 survived because it was easy to port 360 games to it, so it never lost software support; there won't be a comparable system for this. The best it could hope for is last-gen console ports, and that hasn't been very successful on the Wii.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Kytim89 on December 13, 2010, 01:59:04 PM
Or Memory Sticks. The PSP2 could have two memory slots - one specifically for the games, one for the user storage.
Sony's memory sticks are much too expensive for a consumer, but I do see them having their own cartridge based games from that technology. As for the second slot for memory storage, Sony would be smart to adopt the SD card because it is cheaper for the consumer.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2010, 02:23:09 PM
Glasses-based 3D on a mobile device is a horrible idea.
key word being "capable". Like the PS3 maybe a firmware update will unlock the feature should the 3DS catch fire like we all expect it too, and it will also be a reason for all the early adopters up upgrade PSP2-3D(6 months after the 3D FW update) since they will want the option but not have to wear the glasses.
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And Sony's not Apple; they can't get away with charging $500 for something like this. If they try it'll be the PS3 all over again, except worse. The PS3 survived because it was easy to port 360 games to it, so it never lost software support; there won't be a comparable system for this. The best it could hope for is last-gen console ports, and that hasn't been very successful on the Wii.
really? Don't forget that the 3DS is already producing visuals that look similar to PS360 games in detail
Quote from: IGN Article
While the device isn't as powerful as the PlayStation 3, its components should allow it to sufficiently play games of comparable graphical quality due to the fact that it is rendering to a smaller, lower-resolution display than a full 1080p HDTV.
All things considered, it seems that Sony aims to allow developers to port or custom-tailor PlayStation 3 titles for use on the handheld, potentially to create a ubiquitous gameplay experience that could sync seamlessly between the console and the handheld. In other words, players could potentially start games on their PlayStation 3 and continue them on-the-go with the PSP 2.
So we are looking at PS360 games getting ported over to the PSP2 and the PSP2 basically being a PS3 on the go (same problem PSP had with being a PS2 on the go). Only problem is that the 3DS is also capable of delivering games of a superior graphical quality to Wii and closer to the visual styling of PS360 games, so in theory it too could be getting those same ports.... only in 3D, and a second screen, but only 1 analog stick.
So I don't think the PSP2 will have a shortage of games, but I think it might suffer from some of the same problems the PSP did. Being a current Gen on the way out port system on the go.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 13, 2010, 03:18:06 PM
BNM - expandable memory could mean anything, but typically implies blank flash memory storage that you fill up yourself, via downloads. I read it correctly
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2010, 03:34:28 PM
Why would you buy expandable flash storage to download games and play them on the PSP2 when the PSP2 already has onboard flash storage?
unless there are gonna be retail kiosk where you insert your blank flash media and download to the card and then use it in your PSP2, but even then that option would mostly be for those that have no internet connection and is just the same as buying a proprietary card that already has the game on it.
so while expandable storage may mean many things, I'm certain it doesn't mean download only, like was being said in the posts I quoted.
*I meant to quote Shorty and not you Brandogg* sorry. I'll go edit that now.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 13, 2010, 03:52:58 PM
It's all good.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on December 13, 2010, 06:42:19 PM
I like that kiosk idea, BNM. It'll keep retailers happy, since people at least have the option to go to the store, and it wouldn't even waste shelf space. It may even be cost saving if Sony builds and ships them themselves, which they should.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 13, 2010, 10:02:18 PM
Why would you buy expandable flash storage to download games and play them on the PSP2 when the PSP2 already has onboard flash storage?
Because the onboard storage may not be enough?
What I meant was why would they require you to purchase expandable memory to do download only content since they will most definitely have plenty of onboard storage (16GB or more) built in. If it was required of you to buy flash cards to download games, then they should just provide the games on their own proprietary flash card.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 14, 2010, 10:01:39 AM
If the games are PS3-calibur stuff, then I imagine 16GB would fill up rather quickly. Sure we wouldn't be looking at 20GB+ games, but I imagine the average size will be around 4-5GB, even PSP games often exceed 1GB (with all the crap removed too).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 14, 2010, 11:15:31 AM
16GB is doable if you are fine with only having one or two games installed at a time. But considering how long it takes to download and install the mastodon sized games of today, I don't think most gamers would be very tolerant of that.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 14, 2010, 01:47:47 PM
exactly, if you're expecting 4-5GB games to be the norm, then why would you want this to be a download only system? how many people have internet capable of downloading that faster than 3-4 or more hours until they can play it? especially on a portable with unstable and shared wifi at best as you move around the city. you'll never get the game you just bought unless you find a kiosk and use a blank media or just buy the game already installed on a card.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on December 14, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
oopsie :)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ThePerm on December 29, 2010, 07:57:31 PM
oh wow, this thing gets worse and worse
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2011, 05:16:22 PM
Playstation Phone is official labeled Xperia Play http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/sonys-playstation-phone-xperia-play-caught-hanging-out-with-a/
pics at the link.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 05, 2011, 10:58:32 AM
I wonder if Sony will wise-up and not allow any type of PSP2-PS3 connectivity, then again, that could be awesome to have such an (allegedly) awesome handheld hacked so easily.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 05, 2011, 04:27:19 PM
They are probably using the same security measures in the new PSP that are in the PS3.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 05, 2011, 04:39:50 PM
The PSP2's encryption key should be a random number like the number 9. The number 4 would be too obvious.
This message has been brought to you by the number 9.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2011, 02:23:19 AM
Rumored Spec Leak for PSP Phone Xperia Play Phone http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/sonys-playstation-phone-gets-in-depth-preview-in-china-playsta/
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Well, that was quick. It was just two days ago when the elusive PlayStation Phone popped up on a Hong Kong forum, and now it's back again in full exposure thanks to Chinese website IT168. It's now confirmed that said Xperia-branded device is powered by a Qualcomm Adreno 205 GPU, along with what's likely to be a 1GHz Snapdragon QSD8255 as featured on the HTC Desire HD. Interestingly, Neocore is reporting an impressive 59.1fps benchmark, which is a huge improvement from our exclusive look back in early December. Quadrant also reports a high score of 1,733, but hey, there's no saying that this is the final build, so the graphics performance may get even better.
Other tidbits found in the latest leak include the generous battery capacity of 1,500mAh, the 854 x 480 resolution on a 4-inch LCD, a 5 megapixel autofocus camera with LED flash sans 720p video recording (although it's probably just that the leaksters didn't look in all the submenu in the camera app), 512MB RAM, 512MB ROM, a microSD slot, SIM slot, micro-USB, and a second mic on the back for active noise cancellation à la Nexus One. Interestingly, the still-empty game launcher app is now called "PlayStation Pocket." We're still unclear just what the app will run.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 07, 2011, 03:31:27 AM
The PSP2 is going to a BEAST! No wonder they're having trouble balancing power, heat, and battery drain.
Kaz Hirai again made mention of Playstation and tablet in terms of future Sony strategy. It may be possible the PSPTablet is a device we haven't seen yet, and Sony is approaching gaming from all directions.
The PSPhone having a 1Ghz CPU, 512MB of RAM and ROM, and separate GPU? That puts it in the lead (right now, because dual core CPUs are soon to come) for phones and makes it a serious gaming device.
I'm excited for the tablet idea becuase I imagine it would have some sort slide out or folding gaming pad or keyboard (I forget who it was, but someone has a prototype dual screen gaming device where the bottom screen has raised keys that can be changed according to need, not saying PSPtablet will have that exactly, but some sort of attached gaming touch screen wouldn't be too far fetched) but I refuse to buy a tablet until it can make phone calls over 3G/4G, thus replacing my cell phone, unless of course the 3DS can do it...
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 12, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
Sony is on the verge of finally announcing new handheld, MCV sources have confirmed
The industry will finally find out what form the PSP2 will take at a press event in Tokyo on January 27th, trade sources have confirmed to MCV. Claims emerging this morning about an impending reveal for the long-rumoured PSP2 are true.
Publishers were informed late last year of the plans, with some of Sony's biggest parties already at work on titles for the high-specced device. The date of the reveal itself is just the beginning, however.
This Friday's copy of MCV magazine has some exclusive industry insight - some of which will come as a huge surprise. Check back for the full story on MCVuk.com.
Mark your calendars, 3DS vs PSP2 in the ring January 27th 2011. Get your tickets today.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 02:29:43 PM
It's a tra... gaming tablet, or mobile gaming PC if you prefer, that will record, display, and output 1080p video.
Honestly though, if the PSP2 is a gaming tablet that also makes calls (and more importantly has its initial price subsidized by wireless carriers) I will buy it.
Edit: This could be the first time that the PSP actually competes with the DS outside of Japan, if it is feature rich, and those features are practical.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2011, 02:36:50 PM
PSP2 has want gamers want.
$600 please.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 12, 2011, 04:30:19 PM
If the PSP2 is indeed going to have everything that it's rumored to I wouldn't be surprised if it is $600. There's no way Sony can release a system that will be as powerful and with the features it's said to have and with a battery that can at least be 3-5 hours long without it being that expensive.
Either that or they release it for $300 to compete with the 3DS and take a loss of $300 per system, which will end up hurting them just as bad. Espically since nobody outside of Japan even bought games for the first PSP which makes me wonder what Sony thinks they'll make their money back since the software sales sure as hell aren't going to help them. Unless they have Monster Hunter 4 ready for Japan at launch and they hope it sells over 10 million copies to offset the losses for the rest of the world.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
That's why making it a phone makes sense. The high end iPhone's unsubsidized price is $600, but it's $300 with a 2 year contract. Over time, the PSP2's price will come down, but it will stay afloat early on because of those subsidies.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2011, 04:47:41 PM
Who the heck buys $40 games for a PHABLET?
The other option is Sony surprises EVERYBUDAY with a sanely-priced game machine that's well below everyone's expectations.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 08:11:31 PM
Well with both the PSPhone and potential PSPTablet, Sony has the opportunity to make/let others make cheap "App Store" games, and still make more full fledged games, just like the consoles do, and Nintendo does with DSi/3DSware.
And like the PSPhone, PSPTablet, games could be download only. Yes it may upset retailers, but it would make Sony more money, which I think they would be far more concerned with.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2011, 08:15:02 PM
Yeah, but some retailers refused to even carry the PSP Go because it was download only. If fewer retailers carry the system, then that hurts sales.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 13, 2011, 04:15:27 PM
Too bad Sony can't digitally distribute physical hardware.
laugh out lard
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 13, 2011, 04:38:59 PM
Maybe Sony will create the first ever Brick & Mortar Online Store.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 13, 2011, 07:21:16 PM
I just want to know the price of this device. Honestly, the 3DS is too expensive, but this thing sounds like it is going to be like $400.00 + dollars if all the rumors are true...or even half true.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2011, 01:38:55 AM
Sony has sold at a loss with both PSP and PS3. Nintendo marks their hardware up, even admitting as much with 3DS. Sony could theoretically match 3DS in price and make Nintendo look really bad. Of course, launching first means Nintendo always has the option of dropping the price as a reactionary measure, even to the dismay of early adopters. Still, will Nintendo even need to? 3DS is going to slaughter PSP2. Sony just doesn't get it. No one really wants a portable PS3. Development costs have risen in the so-called HD era and Sony is asking developers to make those same kinds of games for hardware 3rd parties know will be less popular than Nintendo's juggernaut. If Sony was smart, they would have just released something slightly more powerful than 3DS so games cane easily be ported and undercut Nintendo's wholly ridiculous pricing. Maybe then they'd have a chance.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 14, 2011, 03:20:27 AM
The other thing I'd add is Sony should not be calling the PSP2, the PSP2 if they really want it to succeed. Well maybe in Japan they can get away with it but in North America and Europe they really need to call it something different. In America and Europe the PSP is a failure, and so calling it's successor the PSP2 is not a good idea because the name PSP only reminds people of a system they didn't care for.
There's a reason the DS was called Nintendo DS and not Gameboy DS, because if it failed Nintendo didn't want it's failure hurting their entire handheld brand name. Of course when the DS ended up becoming more popular then any Gameboy, the name Nintendo DS is now the face of Nintendo handhelds which is why it's successor is the Nintendo 3DS. Sony has to realize the PSP is a failed system and the name PSP is toxic and will only hurt any future systems. The fact that they have no problem calling the system the PSP2 show just how incompetent Sony is right now.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2011, 03:38:05 AM
The fact that they have no problem calling the system the PSP2 show just how incompetent Sony is right now.
To be fair, they haven't technically confirmed the system exists yet, and thus haven't committed to a name. We're referring to it as the PSP2 in the same way that we'd call the next Nintendo console the Wii 2; it's just a placeholder.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 14, 2011, 04:16:10 AM
To be fair, they haven't technically confirmed the system exists yet, and thus haven't committed to a name. We're referring to it as the PSP2 in the same way that we'd call the next Nintendo console the Wii 2; it's just a placeholder.
I thought one of the leaks say Sony has been calling it the PSP2 when talking to developers about it? I guess that could just be it's development name then like Dolphin and Revolution. Oh, looks like Sony might be smarter then I thought then.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2011, 04:31:41 AM
Chances are that they will call it PSP2 without having ever thought to do anything different. Some of you may see the PSP as a failure, but it is still the #1 best selling handheld gaming system that wasn't made by Nintendo and has out sold Nintendo next best competitor by a very wide margin.
The DS may have outsold the PSP by more than 2 to 1, but to even have sold a 1/3 what the DS has(over 130mill) is a major accomplishment that no other handheld gaming device has come close to doing.
The PSP brand is something to build on and improve, not abandon completely and attempt to start over. It's part of the Playstation Family and to consider the PSP a complete and utter failure that should see it's successor get an unrelating name change would mean you also think the PS4 shouldn't be named anything PlayStation.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 14, 2011, 04:52:47 AM
Yes the PSP has sold well in hardware but it's software sales outside of Japan are terrible. The PSP has sold about sold 3 times as many systems as the Gamecube and yet the Gamecube has sold more total software then the PSP has and that's still with Japan's software sales added were the Monster Hunter series has sold millions. If you remove the Japanese sales for PSP software and just look at America and Europe it's a complete disaster.
Nobody in America and Europe are buying a PSP for it's software or should I say for it's legal software. Considering Sony sells the system at a loss, I doubt they're happy with the systems performance outside of Japan were everyone is buying it only to pirate software in which case Sony only losses money no matter how many units of the hardware they sell.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2011, 05:23:02 AM
All the more reason for consumers to look forward to the successor. Maybe not the Devs and Publishers, but "Consumers" probably can't wait to get their hands on it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: leroypantweather on January 14, 2011, 05:36:10 AM
Chances are that they will call it PSP2 without having ever thought to do anything different. Some of you may see the PSP as a failure, but it is still the #1 best selling handheld gaming system that wasn't made by Nintendo and has out sold Nintendo next best competitor by a very wide margin.
The DS may have outsold the PSP by more than 2 to 1, but to even have sold a 1/3 what the DS has(over 130mill) is a major accomplishment that no other handheld gaming device has come close to doing.
what about ios devices(100 mill), or are you only counting hand helds with buttons/gamepad
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 14, 2011, 08:08:39 AM
Sony can (potentially) release the PSP2 at $500 because it is (rumored to be) so powerful that not making it a computer as well would be foolish.
I know I've said this like a hundred times, but, the PSP2 will be a tablet, or at least marketed as such. An at least 5" touchscreen, touchpad on the back, serious horsepower (for 1080p movies, multitasking, rendering DNA strands, etc.) and gaming controls make it a unique tablet in what is soon to be a very saturated market.
If I were Sony I'd also include calling because the assumed $300 price difference would be enough to separate it from the PSPhone's market, but that is unlikely, especially in the U.S where the Galaxy Tab had its calling abilities removed at the request of wireless carriers who are subsidizing it (where's the Consumer Protection Agency when you need it?).
Tablets are the hot new thing right now, and combining it with the nearly failed PSP makes a lot of sense to boost the viability of both. There are a lot of people out there who prefer a one handed tablet to the iPad because it increases usability; you can use it more easily when walking (dangerous, yes, but still...) or when seated but not at a table.
Personally, I'm waiting for HTC to announce their tablet which is rumored to have a 7" screen and dual core Tegra 2 (and keeping my fingers crossed that it'll make calls) but I'm also interested in the potential of a PSPTablet (PSPT? PST? PS(P)Tab?) because of the gaming aspect.
It is FAR too early to say the PSP2 is going to fail. Nintendo went after non-gamers with the DS and Wii, now Sony is looking to satisfy the tech geeks that are becoming more and more common as tech gets "cooler" and more mainstream with the PSPhone and tablet, that really may do everything.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 14, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
Chances are that they will call it PSP2 without having ever thought to do anything different. Some of you may see the PSP as a failure, but it is still the #1 best selling handheld gaming system that wasn't made by Nintendo and has out sold Nintendo next best competitor by a very wide margin.
The DS may have outsold the PSP by more than 2 to 1, but to even have sold a 1/3 what the DS has(over 130mill) is a major accomplishment that no other handheld gaming device has come close to doing.
what about ios devices(100 mill), or are you only counting hand helds with buttons/gamepad
Those aren't gaming devices. They can play games, but that is not their primary function (DVD players can play games too, but you wouldn't count them).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Morari on January 14, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
Chances are that they will call it PSP2 without having ever thought to do anything different. Some of you may see the PSP as a failure, but it is still the #1 best selling handheld gaming system that wasn't made by Nintendo and has out sold Nintendo next best competitor by a very wide margin.
The DS may have outsold the PSP by more than 2 to 1, but to even have sold a 1/3 what the DS has(over 130mill) is a major accomplishment that no other handheld gaming device has come close to doing.
what about ios devices(100 mill), or are you only counting hand helds with buttons/gamepad
Those aren't gaming devices. They can play games, but that is not their primary function (DVD players can play games too, but you wouldn't count them).
Just like the current PSP! :)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: leroypantweather on January 14, 2011, 01:00:07 PM
please show me the dvd player i can play game dev story on, or final fantasy, or mega man 2, or phoenix wright, or plants verus zombies , or mother fucking PEGGLE
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2011, 01:11:32 PM
@leroy
I clearly said handheld gaming device, iPod/Touch/Phone are not gaming devices, atleast not dedicated like the DS & PSP. They have more and better games being made available, but they were never built with gamin in mind.
And dozens of Disney DVD's have had interactive "games" on the DVD's. Even something like Final Destination had that Know Your Death Date "game" on the DVD. just because they don't play the games you want doesn't mean it doesn't play games, it's just not a gaming device and never really was meant to be one.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: leroypantweather on January 14, 2011, 01:58:27 PM
so then since computers were not initially developed with the sole purpose of gaming, shall we degrade that platform as well.? i dont mean to sound combative and i do understand where you are coming from but to compare ios to disney movies and final destination is lolz. Though if final destination sold 100 million i would consider it. and yes there is no way to dispute that ios was not designed for gaming but that is irrelevant to me. Apple got lucky and had a diamond in the rough platform for games, dont hold it against them that they are the only one who offers technology from 2011 (adequate web browsing, mp3 support, video playback, an actual processor, a usable amount of memory, a camera that isnt .3 mp, 3g support, ect).
for the record to i am super pumped for psp2 or whatever they feel like calling it
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2011, 02:08:36 PM
lol wut?
I never said that iSeries isn't capapble of gaming, just that it wasn't built with gaming in mind. It was a media player first, then they added phone capabilities and then games started being made for the platform. They never said lets make an iPod, a device for gaming, then lets make this gaming iPod a phone.... oh yeah, it would also be pretty cool if it played music and other media too.
And I never once compared the iSeries to a bunch of DVD players. I followed up on your comment to TJ's comment that just because something can play games doesn't mean that is what it was built for. There have been DVD movies over the last decade or so that have had games on them. Doesn't make the DVD player a dedicated gaming system.
I originally made it clear that I was talking about dedicated handheld gaming and you brought up iPhone and family. I clarified what I was talking about and it was never about Apple and their iProduct, so I don't know why that seems to be a hot button for you.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: leroypantweather on January 14, 2011, 03:15:42 PM
clearly i misunderstood you blacknmild. i misinterpreted what you were comparing. so yes i see your point while ios devices do similar things the point of your post was to compare the dedicated handheld gaming market, and not simply hand held devices that play games. so i see your point. and a well made point it was!
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2011, 03:37:02 AM
Bloomberg: Sony PSP2 to debut next week, PlayStation Phone at MWC http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/19/bloomberg-sony-psp2-to-debut-next-week-playstation-phone-at-mw/
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according to Bloomberg and its pair of sources, Sony Computer Entertainment's Tokyo event on January 27th is indeed the platform from which it'll unveil the next PSP, and next month at Mobile World Congress will be where we finally meet -- officially, that is -- the PlayStation Phone. Next week's press conference will also reportedly "outline a strategy to use its networked entertainment services to share games, movies and music among handheld products, TVs and other devices." Not much else to say at this point, so just sit back, relax, and wait for the other guys to do their presentation, first.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Kytim89 on January 20, 2011, 05:35:17 PM
(http://www.1up.com/media?id=3873715&type=lg)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2011, 05:36:27 PM
so?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2011, 05:47:53 PM
you could atleast post where the pic came from http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=0&cId=3183093 (http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=0&cId=3183093) (it's an artist rendering)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 20, 2011, 05:52:14 PM
So it's just a mockup based on the rumored info? This kind of stuff is always fun to look at though, seeing what people predict a system will look like. The DS had some especially weird ones.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 20, 2011, 08:34:14 PM
That really sucks, and is completely impractical. Why place the analog sticks on top? It sucks and looks heavy. Sony will come up with a much better design...maybe.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2011, 11:23:52 PM
I think the analog nubs might actually be easier to use up top like that. But I wouldn't really know unless I tried it for myself.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2011, 11:28:32 PM
I have to agree: that PSP2 mock-up is horrendous. The face buttons are placed in such a manor that they'd be difficult to use quickly and easily in games that use both sticks. Then there's the Start and Select button at the bottom of the interface, where they're hardest to get to (always a handy trait in something usually assigned "pause" functionality). Plus, with the sticks as they are, the user has to look down through their hands to see the screen. The D-pad being directly below the left analog stick isn't exactly ideal either, though that's not a huge issue as we saw with the GameCube controller. The real PSP2 will probably have a layout much more practical.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 23, 2011, 02:16:56 PM
Andriasang (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/24/psp2_details/) found that the Nikkei put up some info about the PSP2, after hearing some of the tech PSP2 supposedly has, I wouldn't be surprised if it costs $400 - 500 minimum. I also wonder how will Sony deal with wireless providers in the other regions and if 3G requires a monthly fee.
Quote from: Andriasang.com
According to the paper, the new system will have 3G support. In Japan, the 3G service will be provided by NTT DoCoMo.
Using the 3G connection, gamers will be able to play online games and download software and movies. The service will not allow for phone calls.
The system will also have standard wireless LAN, of course. However, the 3G support will allow players to connect online wherever DoCoMo has wireless service. DoCoMo is Japan's largest mobile carrier.
Separate from the wireless functionality, the paper reports that the new PSP will make use of an OLED touch screen. Sony has developed a new processor for handling high resolution visuals.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2011, 02:24:04 PM
I was just about to post this.
3G and an OLED touch screen. I wonder if the touch pad on back is still in?
edit: Oh and $499.99
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 23, 2011, 02:33:46 PM
3G and an OLED touch screen. I wonder if the touch pad on back is still in?
edit: Oh and $499.99
I still got it in me ;).
I doubt that there will be a touch pad or track pad on the back, makes little sense to me and those kind of trackpads on Motorola Android phones sucked.
Anyways, even if all games for PSP2 will be digital, I predict that you will still see PSP2 games that cost $30 - $50 because no game company in their right mind would charge $2 - $10 for a game with a huge budget. However, I can still see Sony continuing the PSP Minis line for cheapo games that are similar to the ones found on iPhone.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
That really sucks, and is completely impractical. Why place the analog sticks on top? It sucks and looks heavy. Sony will come up with a much better design...maybe.
How does that look heavy? It's the same basic shape of the PSP which, I thought, wasn't too hefty. The placement of the Playstation button is the only really impractical part. It's positioned right where your hand would rest so accidentally pressing it would be annoying.
I think Sony is going to go with a slider to conserve space. This would also allow them to place the buttons any way they please which will likely mimic the Dual Shock. The screen will probably be the same size as the original PSP but at a higher resolution.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 23, 2011, 02:37:38 PM
There's no way they could subsidize the cost of 3G with the system price like the Kindle did. It only worked for the Kindle because you could only download small book files. Gaming would be too taxing on a network not to require a monthly fee. I can't see too many people paying for that either.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 23, 2011, 02:49:25 PM
If it's encouraging/discouraging, Sony charges $399.99 for a MP3 player (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644636396) that has 32GB of storage, a 3 inch OLED touch screen, and Wi-Fi.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 23, 2011, 04:21:51 PM
The trackpad on the back still makes a lot sense; touch controls without getting in the way of the action on the screen while gaming. Then have the touchscreen for browsing, pinch to zoom, etc. and maybe even some quick icons while gaming.
Sony won't be looking to subsidize 3G with the cost of the system, but rather subsidize the cost of the system with 3G, like all the other tablets out there do. No calling despite 3G further screams tablet to me, and also means I won't be buying one.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shaymin on January 23, 2011, 05:41:09 PM
People say that 3G without a phone function makes no sense, but wouldn't it be for a whispernet function like the Kindle has?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2011, 05:43:08 PM
Does the ipad have a phone function?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 23, 2011, 05:48:28 PM
Not officially, but there are Apps that basically let you use it like a phone.
them I would expect no less for a 3G enabled PSP2.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 23, 2011, 05:54:47 PM
The PSP2 is going to have full internet capabilities, no whispernet.
I'm pretty sure the iPad does not have calling features (I'll check and if it does I'll edit) and I also think that might be why the iPad app store is separate from the iPod/Phone app store, because the iPod store has an app(more than one?) that allows you to make calls over Wifi.
Sony not giving the PSP2 calling, is the same as Apple not giving the iPad calling; they want to sell two devices. I really wish people would revolt against this practice, as anything subsidized through a wireless carrier should include calling features, even mobile broadband routers, imo.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 23, 2011, 05:58:35 PM
MaryJane, there is a Skype App for iPad. The iPad also has a mic, so there is nothing stopping you from making calls with it. It may not be the best option, but it is there.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 23, 2011, 06:16:36 PM
Ok, but still, Skype isn't universal, and maybe one day soon my argument will be moot because of things like Skype but it's still ridiculous that their intentionally gimping products so they can sell more products.
One day we will move to an internet only based system of cell phones, tablets, and other mobile devices, but that day is going to be slow in coming because wireless carriers have a stranglehold on such products (because they're too expensive to sell without their help) and will drag their feet in making that transition.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2011, 06:53:51 PM
If it's encouraging/discouraging, Sony charges $399.99 for a MP3 player (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644636396) that has 32GB of storage, a 3 inch OLED touch screen, and Wi-Fi.
I'm assuming the noise canceling headphones is the difference maker here because most people would just buy and have bought an iPod instead. And here I thought the Zune HD was a bad choice...
Still, Sony is outside their minds if they think a $400 handheld is going to fly, especially when they're not Nintendo and are likely bringing nothing new to the table besides maybe the rear trackpad and even then that serves the same basic function as a touchscreen (which should still be there as well anyway). Nintendo has a lot of positive buzz surrounding 3DS but there are still a lot of people turned off by the price. Begs to reason that Sony would face even greater hurdles in terms of price since PSP is the lesser brand. Additionally, we all know revisions for both 3DS and PSP2 inevitable as well. These are people who aren't biting until the hardware improves (i.e. battery life etc) AND the price issue is amended. While it shouldn't surprise me considering this is the same Sony that launched a $600 console, I'd still be simply baffled if they launched a $400 PSP2. They got trounced by Nintendo playing the hardware card. Try something new, dammit.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 23, 2011, 07:00:44 PM
They are trying something new: it's a gaming tablet PC.
The PSPhone proves their interest in combining hardware, and their other big hardware is computers.
Don't be surprised when they make TVs with built-in PS3s soon.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2011, 08:36:37 PM
With how much hassle I hear it its to get PS3 fixed, who really wants to send in their whole TV?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 23, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
That really sucks, and is completely impractical. Why place the analog sticks on top? It sucks and looks heavy. Sony will come up with a much better design...maybe.
How does that look heavy? It's the same basic shape of the PSP which, I thought, wasn't too hefty. The placement of the Playstation button is the only really impractical part. It's positioned right where your hand would rest so accidentally pressing it would be annoying.
I think Sony is going to go with a slider to conserve space. This would also allow them to place the buttons any way they please which will likely mimic the Dual Shock. The screen will probably be the same size as the original PSP but at a higher resolution.
To be fair...I thought the PSP was heavy...t me it was all about the length of the system and the weight being in the middle...it just wasn't comfortable to hold for me personally.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 23, 2011, 10:29:27 PM
With how much hassle I hear it its to get PS3 fixed, who really wants to send in their whole TV?
When I had to send in my PS3 to get fixed it wasn't a hassle, except that I had to start at square one with saves and downloading all my PSN games ( I unfortunately didn't have a backup harddrive) the biggest hassle was the $150 repair fee. But I was without a PS3 for a week, that's how fast Sony's turn around is.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 23, 2011, 11:16:48 PM
I still wouldn't wanna be a week without my TV and shipping something like that would be very tedious on my part unless Sony sent someone to pick it up. Even then, I still don't wanna demount, then package it up.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 23, 2011, 11:17:53 PM
It wouldn't be difficult for Sony to separate the PS3 functions from the TV function so that if something happens to the PS3, your TV still works. Then they could partner with Geek Squad to do in-home repairs.
It might not happen, but with a PSPhone, and PSTablet(PSP2) on the way, is a PS3TV really that far-fetched?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2011, 11:31:00 PM
I just did a quick google search. I couldn't find any confirmation that the PSP2 is a gaming tablet. Care to provide a link?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 23, 2011, 11:55:07 PM
It hasn't been confirmed but the CEO of Sony has made mention a few times of wanting to combine tablets and phones with the Playstation brand. Btw, Sony hasn't yet confirmed that they're making PSPhone, it's just a badly kept secret.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 24, 2011, 12:25:40 AM
Same with the PSP2. Everyone knows its coming, but Sony hasn't even confirmed its existence.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shaymin on January 24, 2011, 06:09:35 AM
Someone order a Playstation built into a TV? (http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2010/12/03/sony-launches-bravia-tv-with-built-in-ps2-console/)
Sure, it's a PS2, but we're probably a year away at most from a similar option with a Triple.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2011, 03:33:06 PM
yeah, we've seen that before and that's not really "built in" but more "attached to" and it's pretty ugly. If that's all they have in mind, then all they really need is a custom TV rack with a PS shelf so that you can add and remove your PS at will.
If they are gonna build it in, then they should spread the electronics out so that they can make it really thin and only have a disc drive slot on the side next to any necessary USB slots for the PS3. All other inputs should be located on the back and the other side of the TV.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Kytim89 on January 24, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
There are rumors that the screen of the PSP2 is going to incorporate something called organic light-emitting diodes for its screen:
Andriasang (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/24/psp2_details/) found that the Nikkei put up some info about the PSP2, after hearing some of the tech PSP2 supposedly has, I wouldn't be surprised if it costs $400 - 500 minimum. I also wonder how will Sony deal with wireless providers in the other regions and if 3G requires a monthly fee.
Quote from: Andriasang.com
According to the paper, the new system will have 3G support. In Japan, the 3G service will be provided by NTT DoCoMo.
Using the 3G connection, gamers will be able to play online games and download software and movies. The service will not allow for phone calls.
The system will also have standard wireless LAN, of course. However, the 3G support will allow players to connect online wherever DoCoMo has wireless service. DoCoMo is Japan's largest mobile carrier.
Separate from the wireless functionality, the paper reports that the new PSP will make use of an OLED touch screen. Sony has developed a new processor for handling high resolution visuals.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Kytim89 on January 24, 2011, 04:20:05 PM
I place a bet that the PSP2 will use a Sony crafted game cartridge similar to either a memory stick or some kind of rip off of the 3DS cartridge. Of course what happens to UMB games of the PSP? Stronger support on PSN than the PSPgo had seems likley to happen.
Also, why can't Sony have a glasses free 3D screen on the PSP 2?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 24, 2011, 04:27:16 PM
Becuz Sony invented 3-D, and proper 3-D can only be seen with their glasses on their Televisions. Sony will let everyone know when glasses-free 3-D is possible for true handheld systems when the time is right.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: MaryJane on January 24, 2011, 05:38:14 PM
I do give Sony a lot of credit for using an OLED screen, but Samsung has AMOLED which offer better clarity and color reproduction. Sammy is having trouble producing enough of them for their own products, but I'm surprised Nintendo didn't use some fancy, super-clear, screens for the 3DS (like retina display, SuperLCD, etc.) and Sony didn't come out with their own screens for the new PSP devices.
Also, Sony, like everyone else is playing wait and see with the 3DS just like they did with the Wiis motion controls. If the 3DS ends up giving everyone headaches (I'm sure they tested long game sessions with their focus groups) Sony can sit back and laugh and market the PSP2 as a headache free device, which they may do anyway. It would be a lie (potentially) but it would make people doubt, and that's often enough.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 24, 2011, 06:20:01 PM
OLED is stupidly expensive to produce. Sony shut down their then-current OLED TV development a year ago because it wasn't fruitful at that scale. Applying it to handhelds would just be salvaging whatever money-bleeding tech was lying around.
SIX HUNDRED US DOLLARS
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: SixthAngel on January 24, 2011, 08:28:09 PM
Since I had no idea what an OLED screen is I just looked it up. My reaction simply was "who cares?"
I can't imagine more then ten people on the internet atually giving a ****. The advantages it would give me over the other options are almost nonexistant. Not only that but its going to look like its behind the times when the competition has had 3d screens out for a year already. Sony must be praying that 3d has serious problems because this seems crazy.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 24, 2011, 10:45:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V09QSCgO8CE
I already have the PSP2 pre-order. I just sent Amazon a blank check. DO IT LIVE
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2011, 12:22:44 AM
PSP2!? First Look? http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/25/ps_meeting_time/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/25/ps_meeting_time/) (http://i.imgur.com/Kks32.jpg)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 25, 2011, 03:32:07 AM
Half hour gaming time FTW!!!!
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: ThePerm on January 25, 2011, 03:54:02 AM
Sony's switching to carts!
Yamauchi wins!
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 25, 2011, 10:18:12 AM
If that is the PSP2, it looks wonderful...and a very slick product...now what it cost a fortune.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 25, 2011, 11:36:12 AM
It looks like it would break easily.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 25, 2011, 11:55:45 AM
I'm calling fake, only because it doesn't say "Sony" or "PSP2" on the top part. There's no way Sony would let that happen.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2011, 01:37:39 PM
IF the first cellphone pic we saw was actually the PSP2, then I would have to say that the pic above has to be a fake unless they revisioned the hardware again. It looks like someone just photoshopped the PS/Xperia Play Phone.
But some frnch site claims to have the specs of the PSP2 taken from a dev kit http://www.01net.com/editorial/527269/decouvrez-la-configuration-de-la-psp-2-en-avant-premiere/ (http://www.01net.com/editorial/527269/decouvrez-la-configuration-de-la-psp-2-en-avant-premiere/) (http://i.imgur.com/lU7h2.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fZZSl.jpg) <-- click for larger version
Quote
Information taken with caution
Information obtained by 01net. based on a development kit for the PSP 2 (formerly code-named: VETA), also called a PSP2 Debug. This material is given by Sony for certain game development studio called to work on titles for this new platform. Therefore, some elements may change slightly when released on the final business model. This should be the case for example of the appearance, or, to a lesser extent, certain technical characteristics.
But while some details will change, these first reports give a clear idea of what should look like the PSP 2 in store. A commercial version to be released at the end of the year, quite likely in November from the information provided by Sony and deadlines set for developers to complete their games.
- Dimensions: 17cm x 7.4cm x 2.3cm - 5" OLED multi-touch screen (12.7 cm) - Multi-touch trackpad - Resolution: 960 x 544 (4x PSP resolution) - Quad core ARM Cortex A-9 - PowerVR SGX 543 MP4+ (Quad Core w/ 128MB of VRAM?) - 512MB LPDDR2 RAM (1GB devkits) - 16GB flash + SD slot - Wifi, 3G, Bluetooth - Acelerometers, GPS(in some dev kits, but not all), gyroscope, front and back camera
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: oohhboy on January 25, 2011, 02:13:37 PM
Are they going to attach a car battery in a backpack to that? Because I have no idea how the hell your suppose to power that much gear for a reasonable amount of time without making it more battery than machine. Where is all the heat going? Maybe it does toast too.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2011, 04:13:48 PM
Remember that rumor a wile back about how Sony had originally mad ethe PSP2 a slider design but supposedly reconsidered because that design caused too much overheating?
if those are the compononets inside the machine (some of which were rumored a long time ago), then I see why they would go back to the original PSP design.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: that Baby guy on January 25, 2011, 04:16:39 PM
Rumor has it that once your PSP2 has been registered to you online, when you whistle, no matter where it is, it will fly to you at high speeds.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 26, 2011, 06:08:26 PM
So, Engadget has a PSPhone "preview (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/26/sony-ericsson-xperia-play-playstation-phone-preview)." Thoughts?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2011, 06:20:34 PM
I don't know how previous Sony/Ericsson phones have been, but since this is still Sony, I'm just glad they have seemingly abandoned MemSticks and supported the MicroSD standard.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on January 26, 2011, 06:41:35 PM
I was reading about this on Ars Technica and someone pointed out:
Sony Ericsson Xperia Play = S.E.X. Play
Nice, Sony. Classy.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2011, 06:52:23 PM
Sex sells.... and least that is what Sony is hoping ;)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shaymin on January 26, 2011, 07:00:27 PM
I don't know how previous Sony/Ericsson phones have been, but since this is still Sony, I'm just glad they have seemingly abandoned MemSticks and supported the MicroSD standard.
Their phones started supporting both Memory Stick and microSD in late 2007 with the k850 series.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2011, 07:04:24 PM
looking at the pics again, is that a memstick behind the SD card?
When will they just give it up entirely? isn't Sony the only one left supporting that format? They should have killed it a long time ago and then resurrected it as the game media format for the PSP brand.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 12:42:38 AM
Sony's PlayStation event is happening now in Tokyo. Any last minute predictions?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Kytim89 on January 27, 2011, 12:49:11 AM
Sony's PlayStation event is happening now in Tokyo. Any last minute predictions?
The PSP 2 will use a cartridge instead of a UMD and the PS store will be more robut to accomodate backwards compatibility.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:32:35 AM
just revealed+
Dual Analog, Touchpad on back.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 01:33:44 AM
Well, there's a surprise and a smart move by Sony! "PlayStation Suite" will allow developers to make PS games and sell them across Android devices in the PlayStation Store. Sony seems to be taking an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!" approach to the threat of smart phone gaming.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:35:27 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/cFDHY.jpg)
3G, Wifi and front & rear camera.
It's appreantly called Next Generation Portable or NGP for short (not to be confused with NeoGeo Pocket)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 01:35:56 AM
3G for PSP2 confirmed along with cartidges.
EDIT: Rear touchpad is real, front and rear cameras, coming out this holiday season.
4X the resolution! Wow.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:38:53 AM
accelerometers inside too.
edit: 5" display confirmed.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 01:40:55 AM
Screens look great, but "NGP" is a terrible name.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:41:26 AM
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Caliban on January 27, 2011, 01:44:54 AM
I'm thinking it's going to cost $400.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:47:22 AM
I forgot to mention PS3 level graphics
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 27, 2011, 01:48:26 AM
Really, NGP? Is Sony trying to come up with the worst and most generic game system name ever? The system itself looks OK, but I am not paying what I expect them to charge for it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:50:34 AM
Rear Touch Pad is multi touch and is the exact same size and placement as the screen.
So where you touch on the pad directly translates to where you would touch on the screen. They're both 5 inches.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 01:51:33 AM
The battery life on this thing CAN'T be good. I'm stil waiting on that. However, the 3DS did set the bar kind of low.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:53:03 AM
Front screen is also multi-touch, so you can finger the front and poker in the back ;) :P:
(http://i.imgur.com/xneMb.jpg)
and another video, rear pad gameplay this time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LOdPwVJhMo&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LOdPwVJhMo&feature=player_embedded#)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: oohhboy on January 27, 2011, 01:54:47 AM
The PSP name might have been soiled, but what the hell? NGP. Generic and pretentious! Are they going to throw every feature they can think of short of the kitchen sink to sell this?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:55:56 AM
^ I hope they do. Sony please include even the kitchen sink.
$499.99
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Adrock on January 27, 2011, 01:56:35 AM
That looks very large. Like 3DS, price and battery life are looking like the big hurdles here. I'm sure at some point I'll get one, but I can wait.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 27, 2011, 01:56:53 AM
I couldn't ask more from the hardware, but will it be any more open to smaller/independent game designers? Or let anyone make a game like with the Android and iPhone? (or better yet, just put android on it too :-)
Of course, by the time this comes out, the next iPhone and iPod touch with similar specifications will be out
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:57:53 AM
NGP has a feature called LiveArena that is sorta like SpotPass in that it lets you know what people ion your area are playing.
edit: Little Deviants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-9FTXXcZr0&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-9FTXXcZr0&feature=player_embedded#)
A game where you control a ball. when you push on the rear touchpad you actually push up through the floor in the game. Looks interesting, but need a better video feed, it's kinda low quality.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 01:58:03 AM
Stalker mode is a go.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 01:59:04 AM
I couldn't ask more from the hardware, but will it be any more open to smaller/independent game designers? Or let anyone make a game like with the Android and iPhone?
Of course, by the time this comes out, the next iPhone and iPod touch with similar specifications will be out
Sony earlier announced a "platform" for android devices.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 02:03:59 AM
I find it funny that everything Sony is presenting on screen is in English, but everything they say is in Japanese.
Should have posted this earlier, but here is a live feed for anyone that wants to watch: Live Feed - Kotaku Japan (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kotaku-japan%E5%AE%9F%E6%B3%81#utm_campaigne=synclickback&source=http://www.kotaku.jp/2011/01/psm2011_live.html&medium=6033914)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 27, 2011, 02:04:24 AM
I couldn't ask more from the hardware, but will it be any more open to smaller/independent game designers? Or let anyone make a game like with the Android and iPhone?
Of course, by the time this comes out, the next iPhone and iPod touch with similar specifications will be out
Sony earlier announced a "platform" for android devices.
But I assume this will be more closed than an android phone. Part of the reason I didn't get the PSP (besides its awful screen), is that most of the games were just remade PS2 games sold for $40. I'd rather have a lot of smaller/indie titles than a couple of high profile games.... Nintendo games would be good, too :-P
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 27, 2011, 02:07:57 AM
7:08AM NGP and PlayStation Suite. "Content that operates on smartphones will operate on PlayStation.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and we know it
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 02:09:10 AM
If it works on a Smart Phone, it seems like they are saying it will also work on NGP.
I assume that to mean all sorts of games, apps and widgets. Most likely everything that S.E.X. Play uses will also work on NGP.
edit: Looks like games are Backwards compatible though downloading.
Capcom just loaded up MHP3rd on the NGP.
Sega has Yakuza 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C1J1iFGxcs&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C1J1iFGxcs&feature=player_embedded)
Hideo Kojima is showing off MGS4 (no new game announcements)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on January 27, 2011, 02:33:02 AM
Nice, another likely-to-be prohibitively expensive handheld for Japan to focus AAA development on instead of the PS3, likely with battery life that hardly makes it a "portable" system at all. And it features the most unique name ever given to a gaming system: "Next Generation Handheld." Sheesh, was Sony even trying with that name?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 02:36:34 AM
"It is Home Console that you can carry in your pocket." - that is what they just said on the stream.
isn't that the same problem that PSP had? portable PS2? Glad to see Sony learned something. Now go ahead and announce that $499.99 price tag and get it over with.
edit: a summarized statement: The goal is to start a game on your PS3 and then continue that same game on your NGP. The same game.... PS3 games on the go.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 02:46:36 AM
Quote from: Sony PR
SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT ANNOUNCES ITS NEXT GENERATION PORTABLE ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM Ultimate Portable Entertainment System Makes Its Debut This Year, Further Expanding the PlayStation® Business in the Portable Gaming Market
Tokyo, January 27, 2011 - Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today announced its next generation portable entertainment system (codename: NGP), which delivers the ultimate portable entertainment experience. NGP will make its debut at the end of the year 2011.
NGP is designed to offer unparalleled interactive entertainment that is only possible on PlayStation®. This new system offers a revolutionary combination of rich gaming and social connectivity within a real world context, made possible by leveraging SCE's experience from both PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) and PlayStation®3 (PS3®) entertainment systems.
Deep and immersive gaming is at the core of PlayStation's DNA, and NGP is the latest embodiment of this vision. By having both Wi-Fi and 3G network connectivity, together with various applications, NGP will enable infinite possibilities for users to "encounter," "connect," "discover," "share" and "play" with friends wherever they are. Within the device are a range of features that provide a genuinely cutting-edge, next generation ultimate portable entertainment experience.
* l Stunning OLED and Revolutionary User Interface NGP incorporates a beautiful multi-touch 5-inch organic light emitting display (OLED) as the front display. A high-performance CPU / GPU combined with OLED enables rich, visually striking graphics never seen before on a portable entertainment system, for both games and other digital entertainment content. The new system also incorporates a unique multi-touch pad on the rear, and together with the front touch display, NGP offers new game play allowing users to interact directly with games in three dimension-like motion, through "touch, grab, trace, push and pull" moves of the fingers.
* l Super Oval Design and Dual Analog Sticks While succeeding the basic design philosophy of PSP, NGP adopts the Super Oval Design form factor, created to fit comfortably in users' hands. For the first time, a portable entertainment system will feature two analog sticks, which enable a wider range of game genres to be brought into the portable experience.
* l LiveAreaTM Every game title for NGP will be provided with a space called "LiveAreaTM" where users can share the fun and excitement with other players. Users will have access to the latest information of games provided from SCE and 3rd party developers and publishers through PlayStation®Network. Additionally, NGP users will be able to view an "Activity" log that is constantly updated with accomplishments from users who are playing the same game, which in turn can trigger active real-time communication among users.
* l Near SCE will also provide location-based services on NGP as part of the basic features utilizing PlayStation Network. The new application called "Near," developed specifically for this service and the network, will be pre-installed in the system to let users find out what their friends in the vicinity are playing now or what they were playing recently. Users can meet their friends and new players virtually, regardless of what games they are playing, simply by sharing their game information across different dimensions of time and distance.
* l New Game Medium NGP adopts a new game medium, a small flash memory based card, dedicated for NGP software titles. Taking advantage of the flash memory feature, this innovative card can store the full software titles plus add-on game content or the game save data directly on to the card. By adopting flash memory based card, SCE will be able to provide game cards with higher capacity in the future, allowing developers to store more game data to deliver rich and immersive games.
NGP will also come equipped with two cameras on its front and rear, as well as three motion sensors, gyroscope, accelerometer and electronic compass, all of which are designed to enable users to enjoy the world of entertainment that is linked with real life experiences.
PlayStation®Suite (PS Suite), announced today, will also closely coordinate with NGP. The newly developed and released game content for AndroidTM based portable devices can also be enjoyed on NGP. As a result, users will have access to not only the most leading-edge content, but also some of the more casual experiences that typify the mobile market place.
SCE will vigorously promote NGP towards the launch as the next generation portable entertainment platform and deploy various measures to further expand the portable gaming market.
Next Generation Portable Entertainment System (codename: NGP)
CPU ARM® CortexTM-A9 core (4 core)
GPU SGX543MP4+
External Dimensions Approx. 182.0 x 18.6 x 83.5mm (width x height x depth) (tentative, excludes largest projection)
Screen (Touch screen) 5 inches (16:9), 960 x 544, Approx. 16 million colors, OLED Multi touch screen (capacitive type)
"It is Home Console that you can carry in your pocket." - that is what they just said on the stream.
isn't that the same problem that PSP had? portable PS2? Glad to see Sony learned something. Now go ahead and announce that $499.99 price tag and get it over with.
edit: a summarized statement: The goal is to start a game on your PS3 and then continue that same game on your NGP. The same game.... PS3 games on the go.
It is the exact same problem that Sony had with the PSP. In their defense, though, Nintendo hasn't really shown an inclination so far to make actual portable games for the 3DS either. I'd hardly call Ocarina of Time or Star Fox 64 "portable games". Then you have Capcom making a 3DS Resident Evil game that looks like a full console experience. And if this is merely a "home console you can carry in your pocket", why would I buy it? I already have an awesome home console in my PS3 at home, hooked up to a nice-sized TV that a little handheld screen and speakers couldn't hope to surpass. I don't need to play my nice console games on inferior hardware in less than ideal playing conditions when I'm away from home.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 02:55:55 AM
If this had a TV out, then there would be no more reason to own a PS3 is more like it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 02:58:27 AM
http://i.imgur.com/H6eje.png
is that the front camera just to the upper left of the 4 buttons on the right?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 27, 2011, 03:11:39 AM
I don't think Nintendo would allow a back touch panel like that without a wrist strap
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on January 27, 2011, 03:15:37 AM
I think there's one thing we've pretty much learned from this press conference, though: a couple of years from now, the 3DS will probably be the last system on the market for low-cost software development. Looking at what the NGP is capable of, I don't see how anyone's supposed to afford to buy it or develop on it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 27, 2011, 03:20:27 AM
I'm waiting for them to show the pics of the mini nuclear reactor that powers it. (That you have to buy separately)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 27, 2011, 03:40:46 AM
You know battery life has to be bad when they don't list it in the press release, even Nintendo released the average battery life for 3DS.
Seriously, isn't it a bit overkill to have PS3 esque visuals on a system with such a tiny screen? The touch pad is pretty unique though, but I don't see how it will be that useful.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: SixthAngel on January 27, 2011, 03:49:30 AM
It's like Sony didn't learn anything from the DS or the Wii. Your console is getting killed by a cheaper system with less graphical capabilities. Your last handheld lost despite having the graphical advantage. Sony's answer: release an even more expensive and higher powered system.
How am I supposed to carry that thing around without the anlog sticks catching on everything?
Are they going to throw every feature they can think of short of the kitchen sink to sell this?
Apparently everything but 3D. 3D in a handheld still seems futuristic to me. Unless it causes brain tumors I don't understand why Sony doesn't use it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: oohhboy on January 27, 2011, 03:53:59 AM
It's going to be powered by nuclear pacemaker batteries extracted from dead people. It will be expensive, but it will have a soul.
They probably didn't use a 3D screen because they didn't have the tech on hand, that and it would require 2 dead people to power it if they didn't want to see double digit minutes worth of up time.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 04:42:55 AM
Quote from: More Sony PR
SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT TO UNVEIL "PLAYSTATION®SUITE," DELIVERING THE WORLD
OF PLAYSTATION® TO ANDROIDTM BASED PORTABLE DEVICES
Simultaneously Launching "PlayStation®Certified" License Program to Provide
PlayStation® Content and Development Support for AndroidTM Based Portable Devices
Tokyo, January 27, 2011 - Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today unveiled "PlayStation®Suite" (PS Suite), delivering the PlayStation® experience to AndroidTM based portable devices*1. Through this entirely new initiative, users will be able to enjoy PlayStation content on an open operating system for the first time in PlayStation history.
In the dramatically evolving and diversifying mobile market, the number of users who enjoy games casually on a variety of devices including mobile phones, smart-phones and tablet PCs, has been increasing significantly. By offering "PlayStation quality" content to this rapidly growing market, SCE will not only deliver the PlayStation experience to a wider base of users around the globe, but will also be able to offer game developers and publishers the potential to further expand their business opportunities to these devices.
In providing the PlayStation experience on Android based portable devices, SCE will commence a "PlayStation®Certified" license program for hardware manufacturers. Through this program, SCE will offer necessary support, including development support as well as logo licensing, to ensure the delivery of PlayStation quality experience across various devices.
On the software front, SCE plans to provide PS Suite content within this calendar year, starting with original PlayStation games*2 (PS one® classics) that will allow users to enjoy "PlayStation quality" gameplay on their Android based portable devices. SCE also plans to open PlayStation®Store where users will be able to download content in an easy to use environment, directly via the Android based portable devices. Moreover, SCE will provide a new game development environment in an effort to ensure new and compelling content is delivered on PS Suite, which will also offer opportunities for a wider base of developers and publishers to further expand their business on various portable devices.
Newly developed content for PS Suite can also be enjoyed on the next generation portable entertainment system (codename: NGP), which SCE announced today. Users who have never experienced PlayStation content can get a taste of the PlayStation experience through PS Suite and from there, they can enjoy the ultimate portable entertainment experience that is only possible on NGP.
SCE will vigorously enhance the entertainment world delivering the PlayStation experience to a wider base of users.
*1 Android TM 2.3 or beyond is required.
*2 PS one game console software title. We will announce the tiles when ready.
I just hope those analog sticks pop in or something. How are you supposed to put that thing in your pocket if the sticks stick out like that?
Does the media go in the top?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: leroypantweather on January 27, 2011, 05:02:56 AM
mmmmm the handheld of my dreams
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 05:13:04 AM
"does the media go in the top?" (http://i.imgur.com/TkHp3.jpg) looks like it.
Now I need to know, does it use Memstick, SD card or both?
edit: (http://i.imgur.com/pLHQE.jpg)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on January 27, 2011, 05:51:44 AM
Hmmm... I don't see "jailbroken" as a feature. I guess they'll add it later.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KisakiProject on January 27, 2011, 09:56:55 AM
Man I want the white one. Day one if that Little Deviant games is there and I can get the not 3G in white.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: stevey on January 27, 2011, 11:14:34 AM
The battery life seem to be 4 hours (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-27-source-ngp-battery-life-is-4-5-hours) beating out the 3DS's pathetic 3 hours. "Nintendo's handheld is doom3D" comfirmed!
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 27, 2011, 11:15:26 AM
The price will be as high as the battery life is low.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on January 27, 2011, 11:17:25 AM
The price will be as high as the battery life is low.
So in other words, you think it will actually cost less than the 3DS? :P:
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 27, 2011, 12:02:22 PM
hahaha! Chris Kohler should like this, it's not a LAST GEN console, it has NEXT GEN right in the title!
I do like the Android thing...
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 27, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
"Next Generation Portable" is just the codename, right? This isn't he official name, is it? If so that might give "Xbox 360" and "Wii" some serious competition for stupidest name ever. Not that it would matter. The Playstation 3 is the only current system with a not stupid name and it is the least successful.
I like how Sony has apparently learned absolutely nothing at all from the PSP. This is the exact same thing as the PSP. It's an overbloated console-on-a-stick that more or less has to have the same high price and same **** battery life as before. Well they're not trying to force a crappy proprietary movie format on us so I guess they learned ONE thing. Still they just missed the point. If no one wanted a portable PS2 that doesn't play PS2 games why would they want a portable PS3 that doesn't play PS3 games?
Nintendo is following pretty much the same path that they did with the DS except that the DS was successful! That's the key, Sony! When you fail you have to learn from your mistakes and do things a little differently. How would this win over anyone that has turned off by the PSP?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 27, 2011, 12:24:15 PM
Another thing about Sony's approach that I don't like is that I'm really not interested in playing the same games I have on my console on my portable.
For example one of the most highly acclaimed PSP titles is God of War: Chains of Olympus. It is more or less the same type of game as the console God of War games. But that is precisely why I'm not that interested in it. Unless I'm a God of War nut isn't the main console God of War series good enough for me? Do I really need to buy a seperate system just to play one additional title?
On the original Game Boy I was never interested in Castlevania or Donkey Kong Land or Operation C or anything like that because I had the real deal on the console. I wasn't so starved for another entry in the series to bother with a portable. But Pokemon was exclusive and Metroid II and Link's Awakening stood out more because they were treated as "true" entries in the series and new games in those series were scarce. There was a clear incentive to buy this seperate system or miss out. Scarcity means a lot. Why buy the DK Land trilogy on the Game Boy when I can buy three superior DKC games on the SNES? DKL seems like it only exists to provide some portable product on the GB. But Metroid II I could assume would have existed as a console game if no handheld existed.
The GBA kept that going largely because 2D games on consoles are rare. Metroid Fusion isn't just a portable version of Metroid Prime. It's a new 2D Metroid game and there isn't anything like it on the Gamecube. It wasn't just a portable game it was like a big deal PERIOD. Dragon Quest IX isn't just a portable DQ game. It's the REAL DEAL. If you don't own a DS you are missing out on one of the MAIN Dragon Quest games! That's essential. If I own a PS3 and PS2 I'm not really missing out by not bothering with the portable God of War or Metal Gear games. The console games are plentiful enough and I know they're the ones that get the real attention from the devs.
On the 3DS Kic Icarus is the most eye-catching because it seems like it would matter on any system. Ports of Zelda and Star Fox and SSFIV don't. That's what has really made Nintendo rise above with rest when it comes to handhelds. They make a system that is essential to own regardless of whether or not it is a handheld. It just has essential games on it. No one else has really done that.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 12:47:16 PM
Another thing about Sony's approach that I don't like is that I'm really not interested in playing the same games I have on my console on my portable.
But didn't you just say that Sony should.... ::looks back to previous quote:: So as far as you're concerned they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Contradict much?
How would this win over anyone that has turned off by the PSP?
PSP sold over 50million units WW (I think). Sony would LOVE LOVE LOVE to get anywhere near that again.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: bustin98 on January 27, 2011, 12:49:06 PM
Just as Nintendo didn't have to beat Sony and Microsoft with the Gamecube, Sony doesn't have to beat Nintendo with this NGP. They just have to sell enough to make some money. And its a way to promote the Playstation brand. You know that the name will end up having the Playstation word in it somewhere.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 27, 2011, 12:58:29 PM
But it does play PS3 games. I specifically state how their goal is to start a game on a PS3 and then carry it on to the NGP without missing a beat.
I think Ian meant you can't take a PS3 game (i.e. Blu-ray Disc) and play it on the NGP. Sony sorta had this feature on the PSP where if you had both the PS2 and PSP versions of a game, you could transfer save files and continue it on the go.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 01:06:10 PM
The battery life seem to be 4 hours (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-27-source-ngp-battery-life-is-4-5-hours) beating out the 3DS's pathetic 3 hours. "Nintendo's handheld is doom3D" comfirmed!
You know that has to be best case scenario and that they must be packing a 2800/3200mAh battery in that thing.
Nintendo needs to cut into that profit margin a little bit and step up their battery game. They can't let Sony publicly out do their battery life claims even if it may be a "Best Case Scenario" vs "All Functions Used Scenario".
But it does play PS3 games. I specifically state how their goal is to start a game on a PS3 and then carry it on to the NGP without missing a beat.
I think Ian meant you can't take a PS3 game (i.e. Blu-ray Disc) and play it on the NGP. Sony sorta had this feature on the PSP where if you had both the PS2 and PSP versions of a game, you could transfer save files and continue it on the go.
They kind made it sound like you could download the PS3 game onto the NGP and just continue playing. W(ho)TF would want to stick a BRD into their portable? That makes no sense.
A Sony rep actually said, and I quote
Quote from: SCEE President Andrew House
"We have learnt a great deal from our previous experiences and as such will be distributing games both at retail and via the PlayStation Network. We want to give consumers the choice as to how they access the great content available on NGP."
So D/L the PS3 version or D/L a NGP version of the PS3 game, whatever, in the end it's the exact same thing since you can continue playing the exact same game and pick up right where you left off.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 27, 2011, 01:58:13 PM
Wait, what if this thing is a full android platform? It could have all the capabilities and software of an android phone.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 27, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
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I think Ian meant you can't take a PS3 game (i.e. Blu-ray Disc) and play it on the NGP. Sony sorta had this feature on the PSP where if you had both the PS2 and PSP versions of a game, you could transfer save files and continue it on the go.
That is exactly what I mean. If I want a console-on-the-go what I really want is a common platform where the same games work on both. I don't mean different versions I mean the same physical copy of the game works on both. It's like how the Sega Nomad is literally a portable Genesis. Without that I think a handheld needs to diversify itself from consoles or else it's just a watered-down experience.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on January 27, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
Am I the only one that would love to play Uncharted on a plane?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 02:14:15 PM
Wait, what if this thing is a full android platform? It could have all the capabilities and software of an android phone.
but why stop there. I'm sure the PlayStation Suite will eventually make it's way onto the iPhone 5 and then it will not only have access to android apps and games, but iPhone apps and games and vice versa. At the right price, this could be HUGE for Sony assuming this thing doesn't get hacked to death in the first month or 2.
Sony said they might be taking a loss on the PSP2 NGP at first but they hope to be profitable. So now I'm guessing that this thing will cost $399 retail while Sony eats $100 per unit at launch.
I think Ian meant you can't take a PS3 game (i.e. Blu-ray Disc) and play it on the NGP. Sony sorta had this feature on the PSP where if you had both the PS2 and PSP versions of a game, you could transfer save files and continue it on the go.
That is exactly what I mean. If I want a console-on-the-go what I really want is a common platform where the same games work on both. I don't mean different versions I mean the same physical copy of the game works on both. It's like how the Sega Nomad is literally a portable Genesis. Without that I think a handheld needs to diversify itself from consoles or else it's just a watered-down experience.
That still doesn't change what you said.
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If no one wanted a portable PS2 that doesn't play PS2 games why would they want a portable PS3 that doesn't play PS3 games? & Another thing about Sony's approach that I don't like is that I'm really not interested in playing the same games I have on my console on my portable.
You want them to make PS3 games work on the portable but you are not interested in the console game being playable on the portable. Make up your mind.
They are aiming to let you take your game off the TV and put it in your pocket to go(like you said they should), but actually doing that doesn't interest you. You're gonna make yourself dizzy if you keep thinking in circles like that.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 27, 2011, 02:28:37 PM
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Am I the only one that would love to play Uncharted on a plane?
The only thing I do on a plane is listen to music or stare at the back of the seat in front of me. I will admit this is irregular.
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That still doesn't change what you said. You want them to make PS3 games work on the portable but you are not interested in the console game being playable on the portable. Make up your mind.
You misinterpretted what I said so I am not contradicting myself. What Sony offers with this and the PSP is something that is more or less the same as a console but it is not the actually the same system. They release games on both the handheld and the console and let you share a save between the two but they are not the same. I have to buy two copies of the game to get it to work. What anyone with any intelligence wants when they want a portable console is to have the EXACT SAME STUFF. You play the game on the PS3, you take the disc out, put it in the PSP2 and you continue playing on the bus. One copy of the game, one game purchase, two systems to allow people to play games in whatever method they prefer (or one system that works as both). It has to be the same exact thing or it's just watered down and that's why this model has never really worked.
What has worked has been Nintendo's method where they provide some identity to the handheld where it has its own unique games that provide an experience the console does not offer. So the system works well as its own system and even people that have no need for a portable videogame system would still buy it.
It should either be LITERALLY a portable PS3 or something quite different from the PS3 with its own unique games. Something in between just doesn't fly.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 03:02:58 PM
Well, that would depend on what game you are buying. If you buy the game off the PSN store, there is a good chance that that is the only copy you need to play on your PS3 or NGP and you can pick up where you left off. There is no saying that Sony doesn't have a single game purchase in mind that has a NGP version you can send to the NGP (W(ho)TF wants to put a BRD in their NGP when UMD was already a failed and LOL'd at idea?)
I didn't misinterpret what you are saying, you just didn't read what has already been said.
Right now Sony is promoting the Playstation Suite with is a format that allows you to play the same games over your Android based device and NGP. The NGP is aimed at taking your entire PlayStation Experience and putting it in your "pocket" to go. They said during the conference that their goal was to let you take your PS3 game on the go and continue where you left off. They showed PS3 versions of games running directly off the NGP(and they looked exactly like the PS3 version AFAIC.). What more do I have to do? sit down and watch the video with you? I've already watched it for you and posted most of the important stuff so you didn't have to sit through it.
But here is the conference for you, and in much higher detail than I originally watched it. Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKsWSzAe5R4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKsWSzAe5R4) Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLG71IouR8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLG71IouR8) Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4AXgpTreEs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4AXgpTreEs)
Here is the games trailer for everyone else: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKsWSzAe5R4#t4m33s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKsWSzAe5R4#t4m33s)
p.s. Nobody LITERALLY wants a portable PS3 that would play disc versions on the go. That is retarded. Nomad was a failure and so was UMD, why would we want full sized disc to carry around protruding from a portable system like a buzz saw in your pocket. Let's use some common sense please. and Battery life would be about 45minutes on something like that. Please lose the "unrealistic expectations just so that you have something to constantly bitch about" mantra. You can't be pleased. We get it, obviously no one cares. get over it.
edit: I will admit that some times you have great points, most other times though you seem to bitch just to bitch. Everything doesn't have to be so black and white, either or.
NGP actually acknowledges and fixes a lot of complaints about the PSP (UMD, Screen size/resolution, D/L games, input), yet seemingly ignores and expands on others(size battery life). It seems like a tech enthusiast wet dream come true. But even though we don't have all the details, here you are complaining about **** they haven't exactly revealed any details on yet.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on January 27, 2011, 03:06:18 PM
Hmm...I wonder what this could mean for possibly seeing a legal PSP emulator on the PS3 to go with the NGP. It would be unlikely, but that's been my big problem with the PSP: I don't want to own one to play its games, and its games don't sell outside of Japan. Now, if I could buy a (digital version of a) PSP/NGP game and play it on my PS3, I'd be onboard with that.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 03:08:34 PM
@BNM I don't think Ian LITTERALLY wanted to carry around BRDs with him. He's just saying that Sony has said, "Console games on the go," twice now. The first time, you bought 2 versions and one was watered down. That was a bummer. He's also saying that even if it worked, he wouldn't like it because he's either playing the EXACT same game or a watered down version of the what he can play at home.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 03:13:03 PM
"he wouldn't like it because he's either playing the EXACT same game or a watered down version of the what he can play at home."
well now that makes more sense. You want a unique experience or to carry the same game you were just playing, but on the go. Sony has just "promised" us the same game on the go, not sure if it's from the same 1 copy you already bought or if you have to buy second version as those are not details they have shared yet. So there is no reason to bitch about it yet. We could get digital copies of games, PSN D/L codes for NGP, NGP games that are transferable to PS3 or even game double packs (PS3 game comes with NGP version in the same case). The point is we don't know that they are doing so there is no point in bitching about it yet.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 27, 2011, 03:17:11 PM
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Right now Sony is promoting the Playstation Suite with is a format that allows you to play the same games over your Android based device and NGP. The NGP is aimed at taking your entire PlayStation Experience and putting it in your "pocket" to go. They said during the conference that their goal was to let you take your PS3 game on the go and continue where you left off. They showed PS3 versions of games running directly off the NGP(and they looked exactly like the PS3 version AFAIC.).
And does this work for every single game? I highly doubt it. That's what I'm saying. They're offering something LIKE their console but it isn't the same thing. And the way the portable market has worked thus far having something sorta similar has not been very successful. I guess I just don't trust Sony here as I figure this feature will only be offered for some games.
Yes carrying PS3 discs would not be very convenient. But I'm talking about at some point in the future the console and portable being the same and if that was the case you figure the media (if we're even still using physical media) would be portable-friendly.
The whole thing reminds me too much of the PSP where it was kind of like a PS2 but isn't a PS2 and doesn't have enough of its own identity or uniqueness to stand out on its own. That's all I'm pointing out. This is too much like PS3-Lite like the PSP was PS2-Lite and that approach has never worked.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 03:23:20 PM
I'll agree with Ian except for the fact that the "PS3 games on the go" feature is actually a minute selling point. The rear track pad and touch screen can make for some pretty unique gameplay experiences, and I can't wait to see more examples in that area.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: that Baby guy on January 27, 2011, 03:34:01 PM
I'll agree with Ian except for the fact that the "PS3 games on the go" feature is actually a minute selling point. The rear track pad and touch screen can make for some pretty unique gameplay experiences, and I can't wait to see more examples in that area.
It's a minor selling point until you look at their press conference and see very little in unique IP, and instead see ports or sequels to PS3 games. The difference between Nintendo and Sony, even though they've done the same in this instance, is that Nintendo has a track record of providing unique and different experiences to their handhelds.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 03:35:05 PM
The funny thing about the track pad on back is that this is another classic Sony idea theft.
DS has the touch screen and now PSP2 has 2 of them. I really like the idea of the touch on front and touch on back too though. I would love to see what people come up with that use either the back pad exclusively or the combo of both.
I'm also expecting Sony to have a revised model in the near future (early 2013?) that incorporates 3D cameras on the back and on the front (still not sure why Nintendo would only put 1 camera on the inside completely omitting the possibilities for 3D video chat, esoecially on a system where you don't have to hold it to use the camera - now that is a major oversight)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 27, 2011, 03:42:45 PM
The funny thing about the track pad on back is that this is another classic Sony idea theft.
DS has the touch screen and now PSP2 has 2 of them. I really like the idea of the touch on front and touch on back too though. I would love to see what people come up with that use either the back pad exclusively or the combo of both.
I'm also expecting Sony to have a revised model in the near future (early 2013?) that incorporates 3D cameras on the back and on the front (still not sure why Nintendo would only put 1 camera on the inside completely omitting the possibilities for 3D video chat - now that is a major oversight)
3D video chat makes it easier for child molesters to find kids.
Also Sony always seems to like doing "one more" then Nintendo. Hey Nintendo you have one analog stick, we'll have a controller with two! You have one touch pad? We'll have one with two!
Anyway, can't say I'm horribly excited for PS3 Mini even it has kitchen sinks.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 27, 2011, 03:47:55 PM
The price will be as high as the battery life is low.
So in other words, you think it will actually cost less than the 3DS? :P:
Haha, well if the NGP's average battery life lasts longer than the 3DS's in a real world scenario I will eat my left foot. I simply don't believe it. I guess that's being way too presumptuous at this point, but since this is the internet and no one cares if I'm wrong I'll say it loud and proud!
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: nickmitch on January 27, 2011, 03:50:16 PM
I'll agree with Ian except for the fact that the "PS3 games on the go" feature is actually a minute selling point. The rear track pad and touch screen can make for some pretty unique gameplay experiences, and I can't wait to see more examples in that area.
It's a minor selling point until you look at their press conference and see very little in unique IP, and instead see ports or sequels to PS3 games. The difference between Nintendo and Sony, even though they've done the same in this instance, is that Nintendo has a track record of providing unique and different experiences to their handhelds.
True, but that's for now. I feel like the emphasis was to show of the graphical prowess of the system; eventhough, it does look like there will be a bunch of PS3 ports. Stil, the system has features that give it a chance to provide some really creative and unique experiences.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 04:03:47 PM
The funny thing about the track pad on back is that this is another classic Sony idea theft.
DS has the touch screen and now PSP2 has 2 of them. I really like the idea of the touch on front and touch on back too though. I would love to see what people come up with that use either the back pad exclusively or the combo of both.
I'm also expecting Sony to have a revised model in the near future (early 2013?) that incorporates 3D cameras on the back and on the front (still not sure why Nintendo would only put 1 camera on the inside completely omitting the possibilities for 3D video chat - now that is a major oversight)
3D video chat makes it easier for child molesters to find kids.
The device cost $250+, I doubt many kids are buying it for themselves. It can be friend list only enabled and be tied to Parental Controls. It's just an oversight to what could've been a forward-looking and trendsetting feature to be copied by all 3D phones in the near future.
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Also Sony always seems to like doing "one more" then Nintendo. Hey Nintendo you have one analog stick, we'll have a controller with two! You have one touch pad? We'll have one with two!
That's exactly what I meant by "Classic Sony Idea Theft"
SNES has an awsome controller!? PS1 has the same controller, but with double the shoulder buttons! N64 has 1 analog stick!? PS1 now has 2. N64 has a rumble pack!? PS1 now has dual rumble... dual shock bitches!! Wii has motion sensors and camera tracking!? Haha!! so do we only we kinda reversed it !!! DS has a touchscreen!? PSP2 has 2!!! Now what! DSi has a camera!? PS2P has 2 BIATCH!!!
...3DS has 3 cameras.... Just wait for PSP2 v2. it will have 3D and 3D video chat
But honestly, I'm liking what I'm seeing of the PSP2 so far. Sony has said if we can't beat them individually on any front, lets fight them all at once on every front. And it might just be crazy enough to work.
Can't beat the Wii? PS3 on the go! Can't beat the DS? PSP Supercharged!! Can't beat the iPhone? Android compatible!!! iPad/Tablets!? 5" touch screen on the front & back!!!! Your city don't have Wifi everywhere!? We got 3G built in!!!!!
The only thing NGP is missing is: No Home Console!? HDMI Video Out!!!! Play it on your big screen!!!!!!
They are literally taking on all comers in one device so I expect this thing honestly cost around $499.99 for them to break even. Will they subsidize that with mandatory 3G contracts? I hope not. But I know they are not planning a 3G-less version so you should at the very least have options of a subsidized contract or not. But Sony also said they may be taking a loss (which I believe they did with the PSP as well ~$100 at first). so maybe this thing launches with a price point of $399 retail/$249 subsidized (from $499.99) w/ 2yr contract.
edit: Looks like I've seen a contradicting report to one I read last night. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-27-sony-outlines-ngp-asynchronous-gaming (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-27-sony-outlines-ngp-asynchronous-gaming) NGP will have a 3G-less version, but I'm sure the pricing I estimated before could still be the same.
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Multiple versions of the NGP will launch from late 2011, each with Wi-Fi capability. Only one, however, will also feature 3G.
"The first thing to clarify, which I'm not sure the presentation did a perfect job of doing today, is that all of the devices will have Wi-Fi capability; a separate SKU will have 3G," House said.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 27, 2011, 04:54:26 PM
This porridge is too hot!
This porridge is too cold!
This porridge is just right, but I don't even like porridge so trying to appease my complaints before was pointless.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
^I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets it :/
edit: A larger comparison chart (http://i.imgur.com/jZD5S.jpg)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on January 27, 2011, 05:33:20 PM
Sony tried the "taking all comers" approach with PS3 and ended up stripping the system of features later. NGP is a technical beast, but Sony completely missed the point again. The brilliance of the DS was Nintendo really pushed the idea that there were games that couldn't be done the same way on a home console. Even with the touchscreen and touchpad, Sony is still touting NGP primarily as a portable PS3 which is discouraging and likely why they'll remain a distant second to 3DS. It may be more powerful than 3DS, but 3DS is still packing impressive specs. What's really going to hurt Sony is that 3DS is going to be the lead handheld for most 3rd party companies and no quad core processor or 5 inch screen is going to change that. It totally sucks (for Sony; not, you know, for gamers) that Nintendo has been actively courting 3rd parties for big releases. Sony hasn't really done anything here that convinces anyone that NGP is a better choice than 3DS.
Still, I will likely buy a NGP at some point, after a revision and price drop, as I'm sure there will be games I'll want on the platform though I'll always wish they'd just come out on PS3. However, I have no intention of starting a game on PS3 and taking it with me on NGP and transferring my progress over. I leave my apartment so I can do things other than play videogames. Not to mention I have a sneaking suspicion that such a feature would require buying 2 versions of the same game.
Hmmm... I don't see "jailbroken" as a feature. I guess they'll add it later.
I'm quoting you because I believe you deserve credit for these lulz.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 05:43:57 PM
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It may be more powerful than 3DS, but 3DS is still producing impressive results.
I fixed that for you. I'm not sure how impressive the 3DS specs are, especially in comparison to the NGP, but the visual result isn't that far off. But the whole beauty of the Sony approach is that they've done this before and it hasn't worked out. They've done the Bigger.Badder.Better. thing to death and it will keep things interesting, especially if they price it anywhere within range of the 3DS.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 27, 2011, 05:52:54 PM
Thinking about it now the DS actually seems like all the more brilliant of an idea. With the GBA there was a clear distinction from the Gamecube. 2D games go on the GBA, 3D games go on the Cube. 2D console games were just rare so the two formats were quite distinct beyond just one being a handheld. The DS is ready to go and it can do polygons. So that's means it's going to get 3D games like the consoles get but they're going to be clearly inferior from a technical point of view. But no console can have dual screens and a touchscreen. I personally have never been impressed by those features but they do stand out. It gave the DS a way to differentiate itself from the Cube and Wii.
Was that on purpose or is it a fluke? I figure the DS's extra doodads were primarily put in to attract non-gamers as Nintendo figured a touchscreen would be more intuitive to those that don't regularly play videogames. But maybe this was also taken into consideration. And it will continue with the 3DS which has a feature no console could recreate so no matter what the Wii 2 turns out to be a 3DS would remain an essential purchase even if you just play it at home.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on January 27, 2011, 06:09:24 PM
I think all those things were taken into consideration with DS. Despite a complete lack of foresight in the console market, Nintendo saw that the handheld market was in danger of becoming obsolete so they took it upon themselves to make it more than a portable console.
Sony, on the other hand, still hasn't figured that out. NGP is first a foremost a portable PS3 to them. Their best chance was to out-innovate Nintendo and the trackpad was the best they could do. While nice and all, that's not going to get it done. Additionally, they probably didn't expect 3DS hardware to be so powerful. Nintendo is in an excellent position. 3DS is getting tons of support and positive buzz despite the hefty price tag and battery concerns. On top of that, even if Sony attempts to take a huge loss and launch at or around the same price, Nintendo has the option of dropping the price AND still making a profit. Nintendo is showing how much they understand the market. The only thing Sony seems to have learned is that UMD sucks.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2011, 06:57:16 PM
We weren't able to get him to budge on the issue of the NGP's price, but we did ask him to opine on the Nintendo 3DS's $250 tag. Instead of offering friendly competitive jabs, he said only, "I think if the quality's there, then the people will find a way to buy it, within reason... I think that if you could create content that consumers sees compelling, they'll find money that they didn't think they had." A bit too reminiscent of former boss Ken Kutaragi's old adages, but hey, it's not like we expected a sub-$300 sticker, anyway.
......$499.99?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: that Baby guy on January 27, 2011, 07:07:35 PM
I laugh at the idea that some Kotaku editors were expecting a $250-$300 price tag before the console was revealed. I swear, if I hadn't seen them in person at E3, I'd think they were from a different world.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 27, 2011, 07:28:31 PM
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I think if the quality's there, then the people will find a way to buy it, within reason... I think that if you could create content that consumers sees compelling, they'll find money that they didn't think they had.
I always find it funny when people gives answers like this. Who falls for it? This means "it's expensive" because if the price was affordable he would just say it's affordable. It's like how Nintendo gave us this whole runaround when we asked about the Wii specs. That meant the specs were not impressive or else they would have openly revealed them.
It's like when Barbara Walters asks someone if they're gay. If they talk about how one's private life should not be public, etc. then it means they're gay because if they weren't they would just say "no".
Or my favourite is "I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer" which means "I totally did exactly what you are accusing me of." :)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: lolmonade on January 27, 2011, 07:56:36 PM
I'm going to guess that the PSP2 will be priced at $349.99 in the U.S.
If Sony has learned ANYTHING (I know most people think they haven't), they will have realized from the PS3 that there is a point where the it becomes a barrier to entry. If they want a chance at being competitive with the 3DS, then they will need to stay within $100 difference of the 3DS, and even my guessed list price is probably at least $50 more than the average consumer is willing to spend on this kind of device. Sony's model is to sell their consoles at a considerable loss for the sake of staying within a moderate price range for the sake of market penetration.
It's apparent from the specs and design that they're concerned about Nintendo AND Apple. Two touch screens, 3G connectivity, 2 cameras, not to mention all the other specs. They are trying to make it so you will be able to have the same game experience as the iPhone and DS, which is actually not a terrible idea. It's apparent that they want you to only have their device by the way they've designed the PSP2, given the Swiss-army knife approach. All those neat features won't mean anything though if the games aren't there, and I expect Sony to rely on their back catalog of games from prior consoles to cushion their library.
I would expect the following to happen:
Ports of iphone games to both PSP2 and 3DS's digital distribution
PS1, PS2, PSP1, and PS3 (Playstation 3 Retail and PSN games) games playable via PSN digital purchases (Flower on the go!)
Cartridges with PSP2 games sold in stores to appease retailers
you WILL have to re-purchase PS3 games as digital format to play on PSP2
Skype integration (front-facing camera + 3G/WI-FI allows this, and is a feature on new iPhone)
Netflix Streaming Application
Heavy support of 1st Party developers with trickling 3rd party support
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 27, 2011, 08:21:45 PM
I don't know if they want to take a loss. based on what we know, the NGP looks like it will cost Sony way more than $350 to manufacture it. Sony is making a major mistake by trying to stick as much tech as possible into the system. Most people will not use all of the features and Sony will either have to charge and obscene amount of money for it, or price it so low that they will lose even more money than they did with the PS3. Hell, they will probably do both (charge more than most people would be willing to pay for a handheld and still take a large loss on each unit).
Also, if Sony thinks Nintendo is charging a fair amount for the 3DS, then I can only imagine what they will charge for the NGP.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 27, 2011, 08:36:35 PM
The visual leap is a good point actually, it isn't nearly as bad as DS vs PSP when it comes to graphical abilities. 3DS is still an impressive piece of technology no matter how one looks at it. Neither system are going to have severe limits on what developers can do on it, so things should be interesting. Personally while I'm not that impressed with the PSP2, I will probably get it down the line like I did with the PSP (Which was taken by gnomes or something, it just vanished a couple months ago!).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: SixthAngel on January 27, 2011, 08:42:49 PM
Nice charts BlackNMild. This thing is HUGE and the thumbsticks stick out. This will not be able to go in anyones pocket and if you manage to jam it in some cargo pants your going to end up messing of the sticks eventually. I predict it comes with some sort of special case to carry it around.
Doesn't Japan have a lot of developers who work with relatively low budgets? They won't be able to make games for this thing. Sure they can technically make games with less specs but we know it doesn't work like that. If someone buys a ridiculously expensive handheld they will expect the things that cost them so much to actually be used otherwise there is no reason to buy the more expensive system
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: lolmonade on January 27, 2011, 09:19:42 PM
I don't know if they want to take a loss. based on what we know, the NGP looks like it will cost Sony way more than $350 to manufacture it. Sony is making a major mistake by trying to stick as much tech as possible into the system. Most people will not use all of the features and Sony will either have to charge and obscene amount of money for it, or price it so low that they will lose even more money than they did with the PS3. Hell, they will probably do both (charge more than most people would be willing to pay for a handheld and still take a large loss on each unit)
I do think they will sell it at a loss. They sold the Playstation 3 at a $200 loss and the Playstation 2 at a $150 loss at launch (http://www.hardestlevel.com/706819695/crunching-numbers-manufacturing-cost-vs-retail-price-tag/), so the precedent is there. The PSP launch price was $250, but unfortunately I can't find a source for the manufacturing cost when it launched. I know the only reason the PSP Go was priced at $250 was so retailers would get a decent enough profit from selling them to bother stocking them. I'm pretty sure there's going to be tiered pricing based on 3G & non-3G models, which makes me think $350 for the non-3G model and $400 for 3G with a $150-200 loss on the item for Sony.
Sony fouled up on the PS3 launch, but their pricing strategy has always been different than Nintendo. Nintendo always designs and prices their systems so they can sell on a profit for each one. Sony always pushes to have the top-of-the-line console which would cost way too much if sold at a profit, so they sell them at a loss in an attempt to be reasonably priced and considered a good value for the price (value being subjective, obviously). Sony intends to make up for the cash lost on the systems by making money on 1st party titles I believe, as well as reducing the manufacturing process later in the system life-cycle.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: fiendcode on January 27, 2011, 09:23:51 PM
I'd guess a (loss taking) $299 base model, supported by the (profit bearing) $399 3G model. Get ready for AT&T subscriptions, Android shovelware and a deluge of PS360 portz.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: SixthAngel on January 27, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
I think a 3G contract is easier to sell when you buy a phone that already needs a contract of some kind if you want to actually use it as a phone. Here it is totally optional and probably can't be used for actually playing games. (my experience with 3G is that its not that fast)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 27, 2011, 11:14:40 PM
So, I just watched the Uncharted demo...it was pretty fucking awesome.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2011, 12:43:03 AM
also another quote from Jack Tretton during his interview w/ Eurogamer
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Well, the goal is that people will appreciate the quality and the technology, and it's aspirational. First you create the market where people want it, and then you try to achieve a price that's within reach... So I think we certainly got people's attention with the technology. They can see the quality, they can see the value there. It's a question of whether we can bring it in at a price that compels them to want and go out and buy it. That's the goal.
I'm sure Sony will be taking a loss.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 28, 2011, 10:15:29 AM
I'm only interested in that back touch panel. That seems cool.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2011, 10:35:37 AM
I'm only interested in that back touch panel. That seems cool.
I still feel it will be more of a gimmick in the long run that won't be used terribly much, it may turn out being like Nintendo's blowaphone on the DS.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: oohhboy on January 28, 2011, 10:39:16 AM
Don't get me started on that damn mic. The hardest part about Spirit Tracks were the bloody musical numbers.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2011, 10:48:26 AM
Am I the only one that would love to play Uncharted on a plane?
I've never played uncharted, but damn does it look nice (http://i.imgur.com/L8rA5.jpg)<--- click for full size version
::turns on TV and PS3:: I think I'll stick with this. I've heard that the animations are really rough in the PSP version, I wonder how much Naughty Dog even has to do with it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2011, 12:52:56 PM
Apparently, development duties for Uncharted NGP are being handled by Sony Bend Studios, responsible for the Syphon Filter Series, Resistance PSP... and Bubsy 3D. I would have been more excited if Ready at Dawn was in charge of it. I'd assume Naughty Dog is involved to some degree, similar to how Sony Santa Monica contributed to Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 28, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
Since it is always funny to laugh at Pachter's "predictions", here are his NGP predictions (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sonys-ngp-estimated-at-249-will-sell-incredibly-well-says-pachter/):
*It will cost $250 *It will sell at least 15 million in its first year
I don't think either has a single chance of happening. The system would be losing a ton of money for them (even $400 might be costing them money), and I don't see it being popular enough to reach 15 million so soon.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 28, 2011, 01:11:38 PM
The rear touchpad could be good if used like a mouse for cursors and aiming.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2011, 01:24:15 PM
If a PSPgo currently cost about $200 then there is no way that a NGP is gonna cost $250. That's just ridiculous.
$349 is my guess at minimum price, but if I were to place a bet, I'd do it on the system costing $400 or more.
Can a mod add a poll to this thread?
How much do you think the NGP (PSP2) will cost? Guess within $25 of prices listed below
1. $250 2. $300 3. $350 4. $400 5. $450 6. $499.99 7. Five Hundred Ninety Nine US Dollars!!
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2011, 01:35:25 PM
I say 349.99 for the base model, 399.99 for the 3G model. Even at those prices my guess is that they'll still take a pretty big loss on each unit sold.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 28, 2011, 02:53:06 PM
You people with your crazy price predictions are way off. Sure, it's one powerful little machine, and it probably will cost as pretty penny to manufacture, but I doubt it's anywhere near as high as people think. Here is my guess: 3G version $299, WiFi version $249. Putting a 3G radio in the device doesn't suddenly make it cost twice as much to manufacture. I bet it's nearly as powerful as the PS3 (it's already said to be 4 cores, as opposed to PS3's :cool; , it doesn't have a Blu Ray drive, and the LCD probably only costs them like $15-30 a piece (iPhone digitzers sell for $9, LCDs for around $30, and that's after being sold to wholesale and then to retail). Touchpads are cheap. Cameras are cheap. They're making money off of the PS3 hardware (with a 160GB HDD included) at $299.99, I doubt this thing will cost them THAT much more to make than the PS3.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2011, 04:44:30 PM
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/29/hirai_ngp_details/ Nothing all that new, but it's all straight from the horses mouth.
No video out. Wi-Fi only versions under consideration. System uses original OS. Proprietary Game Cards similar to those in the 3DS*.
*This is basically a ROM, but it has rewritable space which can be used for save data and download data.
Still no mention of onboard Flash Memory.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shaymin on January 28, 2011, 05:59:02 PM
$349.99 for wi-fi only $449.99 for the 3G-enabled model. You'll never find the wi-fi only model.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2011, 06:03:05 PM
I predict $299.99 for the WiFi only model. Smartphones with dual core processors have just started rolling out recently. Sony will take a loss to stay competitive, but I don't think it'll be a heavy loss.
I'm seeing a lot of hardcore gamer types coming out of the woodwork to shoot their loads over NGP. Bitch, please. Most of these guys aren't going to play let alone buy NGP to play Call of Duty when it's on PS3. NGP appeals primarily to the small subset of hardcore gamers who are willing to buy extra hardware for certain exclusives. If that wasn't true, PSP would have raped and murdered DS.
Since it is always funny to laugh at Pachter's "predictions", here are his NGP predictions (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sonys-ngp-estimated-at-249-will-sell-incredibly-well-says-pachter/):
*It will cost $250 *It will sell at least 15 million in its first year
I don't think either has a single chance of happening. The system would be losing a ton of money for them (even $400 might be costing them money), and I don't see it being popular enough to reach 15 million so soon.
I think he meant to say that it would have to cost $250 in order to sell 15 million, but confused himself with his whole made up scenario.
But seriously, making up a price is not analysis.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2011, 09:44:58 PM
Then you're gonna love what EEDAR has to say about the PS3
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Sony's Next Generation Portable games consoles could arrive on the market with a price tag of between $299 and $349, according to one analyst present at the PlayStation Meeting today in Tokyo.
And Jesse Divnich of EEDAR told GamesIndustry.biz that he believes the NPG "will blow away Western audiences."
"The market is ripe for portable high-end gaming. The NGP will be a serious threat to all forms of portable entertainment," he said.
"After seeing the specs today, if the NGP can't succeed, it is clear that the portable gaming landscape has forever changed. The future of portable entertainment is in the hands of Sony."
Sony has unearthed the Holy Grail or some such other nonsense.... We should feel blessed to bask in it's(NGP's) heavenly glow.
Now go forth my sheep into the world and spread the world that our digital savior has come and that all who deem themselves worthy to be in the presence of such benevolence should draw heavy coin from ones purse in praise of blah blah blah or something like that.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 28, 2011, 09:49:33 PM
Hahaha, that analyst sounds like a Sony fanboy. Sony stopped being in charged of anything years ago, and portable entertainment was never in their hands. People like him said the same thing about the PSP and that failed to beat the DS, I doubt the NGP will beat the 3DS.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 28, 2011, 10:03:26 PM
and the LCD probably only costs them like $15-30 a piece
OLED screen. Much more than 30 bucks i would imagine.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 29, 2011, 12:07:35 AM
The "PS3 Games on the Go" stuff intrigues me. My thought is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot stopping Activision from taking, say, Modern Warfare 3 and making a PS3 build of it, and then taking the same code and putting it on NGP. Think about that...they would probably just have to tweak the engine a bit, optimize it, and voila. But you're playing the same game. That's unprecedented. I think it'd be awesome to sit around at lunch, find a Wi-Fi hotspot, and grind some XP using the same character and account that's on your PS3.
As for the size of the thing, well, I seem to find room for my first-gen Kindle on trips and that's a hell of lot bigger than any portable gaming system. I don't see it really being an issue...it's not an issue with my PSP now.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 29, 2011, 12:54:13 AM
I think all this talk about Sony needing to take a loss is way overblown.The next iPod touch will be out before the NGP and will likely have similar CPU/GPU/RAM and cameras and motion sensors and such. The current Touch sells for $229 with a quite good profit margin (it's Apple!)
What does the PSP have that the iPod touch doesn't?
Buttons A bigger, higher quality screen with 85% as many pixels. A second touch surface. media card slots Digital compass Probably a bigger battery 3g(optional?)
Will those additions not allow Sony to sell the system at $350 with a profit margin?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 29, 2011, 01:04:22 AM
Hahaha, that analyst sounds like a Sony fanboy. Sony stopped being in charged of anything years ago, and portable entertainment was never in their hands. People like him said the same thing about the PSP and that failed to beat the DS, I doubt the NGP will beat the 3DS.
Yeah, but the PSP had only one control stick. NGP is completely different.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2011, 01:06:26 AM
I think all this talk about Sony needing to take a loss is way overblown.
But according to Eurogamer, it was Sony who said that Sony was going to be taking a loss.
Of course they are taking a loss. The first one costs millions to make. We know Sony won't exaggerate to hype a system...
They may take a small loss if they sell it for $299. And by loss, I mean that adding a single unit to a run of a million would cost Sony more than the wholesale cost of the device.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 29, 2011, 01:30:32 AM
I think all this talk about Sony needing to take a loss is way overblown.The next iPod touch will be out before the NGP and will likely have similar CPU/GPU/RAM and cameras and motion sensors and such. The current Touch sells for $229 with a quite good profit margin (it's Apple!)
What does the PSP have that the iPod touch doesn't?
Buttons A bigger, higher quality screen with 85% as many pixels. A second touch surface. media card slots Digital compass Probably a bigger battery 3g(optional?)
Will those additions not allow Sony to sell the system at $350 with a profit margin?
Where is the screen resolution info coming from? I read that it was 4x the resolution of the PSP (which was 480x272), that would make it 960x544, technically giving it 3840 more pixels than the iPhone 4 (960x540, right?).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 29, 2011, 01:32:32 AM
Where is the screen resolution info coming from? I read that it was 4x the resolution of the PSP (which was 480x272), that would make it 960x544, technically giving it 3840 more pixels than the iPhone 4 (960x540, right?).
iPhone is 960*640
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: that Baby guy on January 29, 2011, 01:54:51 AM
I think all this talk about Sony needing to take a loss is way overblown.The next iPod touch will be out before the NGP and will likely have similar CPU/GPU/RAM and cameras and motion sensors and such. The current Touch sells for $229 with a quite good profit margin (it's Apple!)
What does the PSP have that the iPod touch doesn't?
Buttons A bigger, higher quality screen with 85% as many pixels. A second touch surface. media card slots Digital compass Probably a bigger battery 3g(optional?)
Will those additions not allow Sony to sell the system at $350 with a profit margin?
The NGP has a quadcore processor and a multicore GPU. The iPod touch has a single-core processor clocked at 800 mHz, and the next version won't have more than two cores, if that. The NGP's quad-core's minimum standard clock speed is 800 mhz. Going with the low numbers, that's 800 mHz vs. 3.2 gHz. The iPod touch also has a GPU, but it's currently widely used and distributed, meaning R&D costs have likely mostly been subsidized.
OLED is expensive, not featured in the iPod touch. 3G connectivity costs a lot. The kindle makes up for it for primarily being a sales device that transfers small amounts of data. 3G plans cost around $30 monthly for phones currently, another cost lacking from the iPod touch.
I am aware that Apple will upgrade things, but only to be competitive with the handheld cellphone market. That likely means retaining the same GPU, and truth be told, they'll probably stick with a single-core processor for compatibility, but if not, they'll go dual-core at the most.
Point being, for a new device, it features a lot of new technology, stuff a step above what's on the market now. That's why there are people excited about it. And that's why reasonable people reason out at least a $350+ (I'm hedging on $400, myself) price tag.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 29, 2011, 02:24:25 AM
The NGP has a quadcore processor and a multicore GPU. The iPod touch has a single-core processor clocked at 800 mHz, and the next version won't have more than two cores, if that. The NGP's quad-core's minimum standard clock speed is 800 mhz. Going with the low numbers, that's 800 mHz vs. 3.2 gHz. The iPod touch also has a GPU, but it's currently widely used and distributed, meaning R&D costs have likely mostly been subsidized.
You can't just multiply mHz :-) Anyway, neither of us know what the iPod Touch will have, but it will be improved.
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OLED is expensive, not featured in the iPod touch. 3G connectivity costs a lot. The kindle makes up for it for primarily being a sales device that transfers small amounts of data. 3G plans cost around $30 monthly for phones currently, another cost lacking from the iPod touch.
Do you have any source that says OLED is significantly more expensive than LCD? I think the only reason it isn't used more now is because of supply issues. I was ignoring the price of 3G hardware, but the $50 extra for the 3G Kindle does include free 3G for the life of the product.
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I am aware that Apple will upgrade things, but only to be competitive with the handheld cellphone market. That likely means retaining the same GPU, and truth be told, they'll probably stick with a single-core processor for compatibility, but if not, they'll go dual-core at the most.
Point being, for a new device, it features a lot of new technology, stuff a step above what's on the market now. That's why there are people excited about it. And that's why reasonable people reason out at least a $350+ (I'm hedging on $400, myself) price tag.
I am excited about the NGP. It looks as if Sony didn't make any compromises when building the NGP as a gaming machine. But cell phones (and the iPod touch) are quickly increasing in power and features, too. I wouldn't have guessed that the iPhone 4/iPod could play something like the Unreal demo at the about the same resolution as "HD" consoles do.
In the end, it all comes down to games, though. I'll get the system with games I'm most interested in. (are there any platformers for the 3DS?)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2011, 02:45:22 AM
The only thing Sony seems to have compromised (or atleast not officially mentioned/confirmed) is on-board storage. Where is the rumored 16GB Flash Drive? And whats the deal with the 2nd media slot and proprietary flash cards?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on January 29, 2011, 02:46:33 AM
The "PS3 Games on the Go" stuff intrigues me. My thought is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot stopping Activision from taking, say, Modern Warfare 3 and making a PS3 build of it, and then taking the same code and putting it on NGP. Think about that...they would probably just have to tweak the engine a bit, optimize it, and voila. But you're playing the same game. That's unprecedented. I think it'd be awesome to sit around at lunch, find a Wi-Fi hotspot, and grind some XP using the same character and account that's on your PS3.
That sounds great on paper but I wonder how many people are willing to buy the same game just to grind some experience points. I doubt anyone would buy NGP specifically for that. Assuming they already had the hardware, I think the vast majority of people would only buy one copy and most people in that group would buy it on PS3 anyway.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 29, 2011, 02:53:20 AM
The only thing Sony seems to have compromised (or atleast not officially mentioned/confirmed) is on-board storage. Where is the rumored 16GB Flash Drive? And whats the deal with the 2nd media slot and proprietary flash cards?
They probably haven't decided how much on-board storage it will have. I hope they just put a (Micro)SD slot in it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: that Baby guy on January 29, 2011, 03:11:33 AM
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Shadowxaf's last post (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30989.msg652979#msg652979)
Sure, you can't multiply mHz outright, but the point is, four cores running at 800 mHz is a lot more than one or two, and Apples iPod touch improvements are typically very minor when the model doesn't receive a redesign, which just happened last year, and likely won't happen again.
As far as cost goes, since Cell phones aren't quite like TVs, in the sense that you can't find a cell phone with different display types with similar features, but with different screens, I figured I'd just dig up prices of OLED TVs and find a comparative model using an LCD screen, but even then, I could only found TVs priced in British pounds. Looking around gadget blogs like gizmodo reflect that OLED in TV is costly, and kind of on the way. This story here (http://gizmodo.com/5573164/bye-bye-oled-hello-lcd-for-some-htc-phones) reveals supply troubles with OLED screens that HTC has had in making some cell phones. Essentially, the constant idea is that OLED, even now, is difficult and time-consuming to manufacture, and the reflection of that is expensive screens. Smaller OLED screens are more common, but even then, manufacturers have a difficult time maintaining supply. These aren't hard pricing figures, but taken with the common-sense economical laws of supply and demand, we can conclude that a lower volume of OLED screens available will be reflected through the price, especially if Sony needs millions of OLED screens for manufacturing the NGP.
Take that a step further, though, and if the OLED screen is the limiting factor for manufacturing the NGP, then Sony will recognize that they'll have limited supply, potentially supply that is far outpaced by demand. As we saw with the PS3 and the PSPGO, when Sony believers consumer demand will be much higher than their supply (and sometimes even when it's substantially lower), specifically because of the quality of the parts of the device (and Sony's earlier presentation and following interviews definitely imply the believe the device to be in high demand and quality), Sony's pricing models go sky-high.
Essentially what I'm saying is this: The OLED screen will be a limiting factor in the manufacturing of the NGP. Sony sees the NGP as a nice thing people want. Sony will expect to bring a limited quantity of NGPs to market at launch, and will expect the device to sell no matter what, as often is the case on console launches. In this respect, we should expect a very high price due to Sony's belief that the demand curve will be steeper than the supply curve and their correlated believe that the price of the NGP will almost invariably be below that of the demand curve for the expected supply of the device.
It's not the simple answer you're looking for, no, but essentially, unless the corporate culture of Sony has changed in the last four years, and given their prices for gadgets and TVs are higher than most others on the market, it hasn't, we won't see a simple, affordable NGP at first. The thing will be expensive, because Sony almost certainly, Sony believes it will sell on eBay for $1000 at launch. I think that's the sentence that sums up my argument well.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 29, 2011, 03:37:05 AM
I forgot to mention GPS
My point still stands that Sony won't sell it for a loss :-)
I only chose the iPod for comparison because it was the closest thing I know of.
The nook color has an 7" 1024 x 600 IPS LCD in a system for $249
I think Sony would have used an IPS LCD if they could have saved a large amount of money. I doubt most consumers would know the difference (heck, most people don't know that their "HD" consoles only push ~600P resolution for games like COD:BLOPS). What advantage does Sony get by using a screen that costs, let's say, twice as much?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on January 29, 2011, 08:49:52 AM
What advantage does Sony get by using a screen that costs, let's say, twice as much?
Sony has invested millions on OLED research and development and costs aren't expected to drop to/below regular LCD levels for something like 5 years. Think along the lines of their insistence on employing Blu Ray instead of standard DVDs in PS3. It's a trojan horse. Sony is getting the technology out there, into people's hands and homes. The more common the tech is, the faster the price drops and the faster profits are made and costs recouped.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 29, 2011, 09:38:00 AM
i see (iPhone res). What is stupid about that is it's not 16:9, I don't really get the point of 16:10 screens. The argument is so you can have a full 16:9 video and have on-screen controls visible, but I don't want to see on-screen controls when I'm watching videos.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 29, 2011, 02:03:41 PM
i see (iPhone res). What is stupid about that is it's not 16:9, I don't really get the point of 16:10 screens. The argument is so you can have a full 16:9 video and have on-screen controls visible, but I don't want to see on-screen controls when I'm watching videos.
It's 3:2. The iPad is 4:3. They have more squarish resolutions so they can more comfortably be used with any orientation. They aren't designed around watching video.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 29, 2011, 02:13:17 PM
I don't see how it helps any. 16:9 is pretty ideal for how your eyes see things anyway. Tablets (like the iPad) do kind of look odd at 16:9, but I like it for my phone (Droid) and I think it's ideal for handheld game systems too.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 29, 2011, 02:49:09 PM
The rear track pad and touch screen can make for some pretty unique gameplay experiences, and I can't wait to see more examples in that area.
How would that be unique? Nintendo has been providing that gameplay experience since November 21st, 2004.
But now you get to tap it from the back? Have you ever tapped it from the back? Has Nintendo ever let you tap it from the back? No!? I didn't think so.
But Sony will let you tap it from the front or the back. However you want. As long as you're happy.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Kytim89 on January 29, 2011, 03:07:01 PM
The rear track pad and touch screen can make for some pretty unique gameplay experiences, and I can't wait to see more examples in that area.
How would that be unique? Nintendo has been providing that gameplay experience since November 21st, 2004.
But now you get to tap it from the back? Have you ever tapped it from the back? Has Nintendo ever let you tap it from the back? No!? I didn't think so.
But Sony will let you tap it from the front or the back. However you want. As long as you're happy.
So Sony is a bigger whore than Nintendo?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shaymin on January 29, 2011, 03:12:46 PM
I'd hit it. With a stick.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 29, 2011, 04:12:05 PM
Tap that rear end.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: EasyCure on January 30, 2011, 11:51:13 AM
These last few posts are pretty lol worthy and I feel a meme being born.
I'm not really interested in the NGP but I do have one question that I hope someone will kindly answer, saving me from backtracking through the thread;
Is the NGP the finalized name? Please tell me its not..
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KDR_11k on January 30, 2011, 12:03:33 PM
For me the two things the PSP2 has to prove itself on are price and game library. Well, especially the game library. The PSP had a weak one, that was its downfall. Sony has to prove that their system will deliver more games than the 3DS.
The "PS3 Games on the Go" stuff intrigues me. My thought is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot stopping Activision from taking, say, Modern Warfare 3 and making a PS3 build of it, and then taking the same code and putting it on NGP.
Didn't they promise that for the PSP as well?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2011, 12:04:29 PM
These last few posts are pretty lol worthy and I feel a meme being born.
I'm not really interested in the NGP but I do have one question that I hope someone will kindly answer, saving me from backtracking through the thread;
Is the NGP the finalized name? Please tell me its not..
It is not the official name from what I understand, it is similar to names like "Project Dolphin" or "Project Natal".
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: EasyCure on January 30, 2011, 12:35:52 PM
These last few posts are pretty lol worthy and I feel a meme being born.
I'm not really interested in the NGP but I do have one question that I hope someone will kindly answer, saving me from backtracking through the thread;
Is the NGP the finalized name? Please tell me its not..
It is not the official name from what I understand, it is similar to names like "Project Dolphin" or "Project Natal".
oh thank god. I don't think I'd ever be interested in owning one but if they really called it the Next Generation Portable I'd absolutely refuse to ever own on principals alone.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2011, 12:58:06 PM
It's the code name.
I'm sure they will probably go with PSP2 or atleast something with PlayStation in the name.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: EasyCure on January 30, 2011, 01:41:13 PM
Already clarified, but thanks for chiming in. As always, your dry rub tastes really good ;)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2011, 02:16:25 PM
lol. did even see the next page.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 30, 2011, 02:59:15 PM
I'm sure they will probably go with PSP2 or atleast something with PlayStation in the name.
I wouldn't be sure of that. For one thing the PSP name is tainted because it didn't do that well. For another thing, Nintendo broke their tradition of naming their handhelds "Gameboys" and went with DS instead, and that proved successful. And of course since Sony ALWAYS likes to copy everything Nintendo does...
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2011, 03:23:35 PM
Are you saying that they are gonna call it the Sony DS? or maybe the the Sony PS?
but seriously, PSP di great hardware wise, and PSP is a known name regardless of it you were buying games for it or not. And they could always call it the Portable PlayStation or PlayStation Pocket or many other names that still carry the PlayStaion brand.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 30, 2011, 04:12:07 PM
I'm just saying the Gameboy name was used a long time and widely recognized, but that wasn't enough to stop Nintendo from retiring the brand in favor of something completely new. So if that's the case then why couldn't something much newer and much less well known be retired just as easily?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on January 30, 2011, 05:08:12 PM
If you asked anyone in 2004 if there would ever be a bigger name in portable gaming than Gameboy, you'd hear "No" every time. Nintendo branded their so-called third pillar "DS" to preserve the Gameboy name had DS failed to catch on. I doubt Nintendo even knew what they had on their hands. DS ended up being the next Gameboy AND something completely its own.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on January 30, 2011, 05:18:58 PM
Yeah that was simply smart strategy by Nintendo. They couldn't lose with a rebranding.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 30, 2011, 06:58:06 PM
Sony says it's a codename, so it may change.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: ThePerm on January 30, 2011, 07:51:04 PM
so they are adding the N so that people think its made by Nintendo?
"NGP, is that that new Nintendo Game Player? Its likea Game Boy or something?"
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shadowxaf on January 30, 2011, 08:36:19 PM
oh thank god. I don't think I'd ever be interested in owning one but if they really called it the Next Generation Portable I'd absolutely refuse to ever own on principals alone.
That's not much worse than Nintendo Entertainment System.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: nickmitch on January 30, 2011, 10:00:45 PM
NES was less generic and had branding, unlike NGP.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 30, 2011, 10:31:36 PM
I wish someone would make a Star Trek: The Next Generation Portable.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: EasyCure on January 30, 2011, 11:15:32 PM
oh thank god. I don't think I'd ever be interested in owning one but if they really called it the Next Generation Portable I'd absolutely refuse to ever own on principals alone.
That's not much worse than Nintendo Entertainment System.
but it was an entertainment system, and almost 30 years later the name still holds true. If the psp successor sticks with "next generation portable" it won't have the same pleasure once the next successor comes out. Will they call that one the "new next generation portable" or the "next next generation portable. As a codename, it's fine, but as an official brand name it's stupid and pretentious.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 31, 2011, 01:44:06 PM
Is it any more "stupid and pretentious" than "Developer's System"?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KDR_11k on January 31, 2011, 01:51:42 PM
Well, it's not stationary so it should be the Playmobile :P
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2011, 01:58:38 PM
PlayMobileStation ;)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on January 31, 2011, 02:29:14 PM
Playstation XS
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on January 31, 2011, 05:35:26 PM
Is it any more "stupid and pretentious" than "Developer's System"?
yes, much!
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: MaryJane on February 02, 2011, 02:45:48 PM
A lot of people said that 3D was a gimmick, the 3DS or 3rd DS should have focused more on graphics/development/innovation, and when Sony does just that what's the verdict? Quad core CPU and GPU, with Little Big Planet, and a rear touchpad. What do you think about those offerings? I know the code name is SO important, but Sony might have found a way to offer true competition to the 3DS.
Nintendo has not offered a new "innovation" for their portable. Without getting into what a gimmick is ;) 3D is not a true innovation because while it adds to gameplay, the tech already existed, and the new aspect is portable without glasses, its a new way to view (which I look forward to) but I think the trackpad is more "game changing". It is Sony copying off Nintendo again, but this time, if the battery can some how hold out for 3 hours, they may have done something right.
Just like the original DS did, the PSP2 or NGP is offering a new control scheme. You can not select an icon, and drag something unrelated at the same time on the DS, yes it's touch controls which existed already, but now there's two input of touch that I imagine can work well together for gaming, and in that way the Sony mobile does innovate. I don't know what a developer can do with that but no one knew what people would do with the DS either, at this point in its life...
Yeah the battery life will probably be terrible though. I hope there's an automatic save feature for when the battery dies.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on February 02, 2011, 05:04:54 PM
I don't think you realize how big the NGP is.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2011, 05:43:03 PM
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 02, 2011, 05:44:47 PM
The NGP is pretty impressive technology, and far more appealing to me than the PSP ever was. If the thing gets good software support I'll probably buy one. That being said, I don't see how you could argue it's more innovative than the 3DS. I wouldn't argue either of them is particularly innovative, but if I had to choose, I'd definitely say the glasses-free stereoscopic 3D is a bigger deal than the rear trackpad. Even forgetting the question of how awkward it's going to be to hold the thing in a way that would allow its use, I don't see many interesting uses for it that couldn't be better accomplished with the full complement of buttons and two sticks the thing has.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: oohhboy on February 03, 2011, 01:38:20 AM
The rear touch pad is the direct response to the lack of second screen. We all know what the DS touch screen tends to be used for, mostly control. However it's not a direct solution to the problem as they have to use primary display space for the UI making it not too much different from virtual controls like you have on the iPhone. It's especially redundant since the screen itself is multi touch anyway. They would have been better off with a second screen. I mean they threw everything else into this machine, why NOT a second screen?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: ShyGuy on February 03, 2011, 02:45:38 AM
Hey does this thing have a gyroscope and I missed it?
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Post by: MegaByte on February 03, 2011, 11:42:10 AM
Yes, three-axis accelerometer, three-axis gyroscope, and three-axis magnetometer.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 12:21:53 PM
so it's a Move components jammed into a PS3 controller wit a 5" touchscreen and a touch pad on back.
If this thing doesn't find use as a PS3 controller through connectivity, I will be shocked.
does it have rumble?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on February 03, 2011, 12:43:49 PM
The funny thing with Sony is that they are sometimes unintentionally innovative. When Nintendo is innovative they are obvious about it. In fact they tend to shove their new idea in your face again and again for better or worse. With Sony, they have no real plan for the rear touchpad. They just figured "why not?" and threw it on there.
When they introduced the dual-analog controller for the Playstation everyone knew it was a response to the N64 analog stick. We all wondered why they put two sticks on there and the general idea was that they used a very basic "two would be better" approach without any real plan. The funny thing is that dual-analog is now standard and Sony invented it. But they didn't really use it for much at first. Nintendo spent much more effort demonstrating it with their first Gamecube titles like Luigi's Mansion and Pikmin. But what really got it going was first person shooters and that was mostly thanks to the Xbox and Halo. Sony more or less pulled the whole design out of their butt and it ended up becoming a standard.
So who knows what elements of the PSP2 will become videogame standards? Sony kind of just shoves that **** on there and sees where it sticks.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KDR_11k on February 03, 2011, 12:56:41 PM
What Sony will have to make sure is that the system is more than just a port receiver for PS3 games. That didn't work for the PSP either.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 12:57:07 PM
I think that Sony ay have actually thought about this one this time. They kept mentioning how they had no plans for 3D at this time, which is fine, but if they add it in a later revision or on the next system, people will already be used to the rear touch panel which would be necessary to not break the 3D on the screen while still being able to use touch manipulation.
So I honestly think Sony had a reasoning for it even if they didn't have a super innovative plan for it immediately. I also think it was a great idea even if just used mostly for internet browsing as you finger on the back acts like a mouse on a laptop. Enable some smooth scroll without you fingers blocking what you're looking at.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 01:30:21 PM
Sony has released a S.E.X. Play Commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV09PRsAU2Y&feature=player_embedded and it borders on kinda creepy DROID w/ human thumbs sewn on
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: MaryJane on February 03, 2011, 04:14:41 PM
I forget what game it was, but they showed the rear touchpad being used to climb a vine, which on the surface isn't very intuitive but if you can climb, direct your gun left or right, and shoot, all at the same time then it becomes something good.
The trackpad is the same size as the screen, so your hand are already in position to use it. Even allowing for the possibility to use it with the face buttons, left analog, and one shoulder button, all at the same time. So there are a lot of possibilities for use. So I agree with Ian that it could become a standard, and with the other person who said it would make sense on the PSP2-3D.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 04:34:41 PM
I'm pretty sure that was Uncharted
and "the other person" was 2 post above yours. It couldn't have been that hard to remember where you saw that mentioned.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: sigrah0x7ba on February 03, 2011, 05:09:38 PM
I've been trying my best not to respond to this topic, or any topic for that matter, but I have a few questions that no one seems to be thinking about:
1. Can anyone tell me how Sony is going to manage to get PS3 sized games onto a DS sized card without it costing an arm and a leg? PS3 games on disc cost $60. How much more is it going to cost to try and get that onto a card? I just did a quick search and the size of MGS4 is 30 Gigs. And apparently that was one of the games that Sony showed off at the reveal of their new system so it's going to be expected to see it released on it. Since developers can't be bothered to compress games to get them to fit on Wii and WiiWare the idea that they'll just compress them won't fly.
2. Can anyone tell me who is going to be willing to wait hours for these games to download onto this new system? We're talking as much as 25 Gigs plus for a single game. Even if you're downloading them onto your own cards, first you have to buy the cards and then you have to buy the game, which will still be full price if the price of PSPGo games is any indication, and then you have to wait hours for it to download onto that card. And that's not even mentioning how impossible it would be to download such games over WiFi let alone 3G.
Logically this system makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't matter how powerful or what price the system is if the media isn't feasible.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: MaryJane on February 03, 2011, 05:23:30 PM
Just because it can have PS3 games doesn't mean that it will.
And BnM, on the mobile site, the "other person" is on a different page.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 05:23:50 PM
I actually think both of those concerns were raised somewhere in this thread and the second one I remember commenting on myself, but I'll try to answer them for you.
1. PS3 games have HD textures to be rendered at resolutions of upto 1080p. I don't know the exact math but I think that will be several time larger than the textures used for a PSP2 game running at 960x544 (1/2 PS3 res?). Also compression techniques are really good nowadays and if Sony's cards are like Nintendo's card (Sony's will likely be some extra-proprietary MemStick variation), they could have cards that are anywhere upto 32GB in size over time.
MGS4 was shown running a cutscene on NGP, but I'm sure they could get the game size down significantly, especially if it required an install from teh main game card onto the storage gamecard/onboard storage(if there is any) to run.
2. I had this same exact question somewhere in this thread... I'll look for it later, but I doubt we are looking at 25+GB for a game. alot of the same games that run on PS3 are possible with on the Xbox360 which only uses 8GB DL DVDs. Alot of the space used on BRDs for PS3 games are duplication of data to minimize seek time because there is so much space on the disc and the 1st gen BRD drives are kinda slow. I'm sure most PS3 games could and probably do fit within 8GB or less and most NGP games (in the first year or so) will likely not be over 2GB to begin with.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 05:25:55 PM
Just because it can have PS3 games doesn't mean that it will.
And BnM, on the mobile site, the "other person" is on a different page.
what mobile site? I had just said that it(rear trackpad) would make sense for a PSP2 with 3D 2 post above yours. I didn't see anyone mention a mobile site.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: MaryJane on February 03, 2011, 05:32:59 PM
Oh, sorry I didn't give you proper credit.
I'm a lot more interested in what's being said, than who said it... It's just a rarity when I agree with Ian.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 05:51:19 PM
It's all good, but you had me confused there for a second ;D
I actually started scanning back a page to figure out what you were talking about.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: sigrah0x7ba on February 03, 2011, 07:13:02 PM
I actually think both of those concerns were raised somewhere in this thread and the second one I remember commenting on myself, but I'll try to answer them for you.
1. PS3 games have HD textures to be rendered at resolutions of upto 1080p. I don't know the exact math but I think that will be several time larger than the textures used for a PSP2 game running at 960x544 (1/2 PS3 res?). Also compression techniques are really good nowadays and if Sony's cards are like Nintendo's card (Sony's will likely be some extra-proprietary MemStick variation), they could have cards that are anywhere upto 32GB in size over time.
MGS4 was shown running a cutscene on NGP, but I'm sure they could get the game size down significantly, especially if it required an install from teh main game card onto the storage gamecard/onboard storage(if there is any) to run.
2. I had this same exact question somewhere in this thread... I'll look for it later, but I doubt we are looking at 25+GB for a game. alot of the same games that run on PS3 are possible with on the Xbox360 which only uses 8GB DL DVDs. Alot of the space used on BRDs for PS3 games are duplication of data to minimize seek time because there is so much space on the disc and the 1st gen BRD drives are kinda slow. I'm sure most PS3 games could and probably do fit within 8GB or less and most NGP games (in the first year or so) will likely not be over 2GB to begin with.
Okay, I'm going to get out of this before I get into an argument but you're making a lot of HUGE assumptions here.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 03, 2011, 07:28:14 PM
Assumptions maybe, but not huge ones. Almost everything he said is either established fact or the likeliest explanation. The only thing I'd disagree with is the last sentence; I think the majority of early games on the platform will be ports of PS3 games, which would likely be larger than 2 GB.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 08:34:26 PM
Even the PS3 ports could use lots of compression and get the size down. Games will be really expensive if they need to shop on 4 or 8GB cards. PS3 games cost $60 already and that is with a disc that cost $1. How much do you think NGP games will cost putting the same game on a extra proprietary card that cost $5-$10 each?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 03, 2011, 11:34:34 PM
I actually think both of those concerns were raised somewhere in this thread and the second one I remember commenting on myself, but I'll try to answer them for you.
1. PS3 games have HD textures to be rendered at resolutions of upto 1080p. I don't know the exact math but I think that will be several time larger than the textures used for a PSP2 game running at 960x544 (1/2 PS3 res?). Also compression techniques are really good nowadays and if Sony's cards are like Nintendo's card (Sony's will likely be some extra-proprietary MemStick variation), they could have cards that are anywhere upto 32GB in size over time.
MGS4 was shown running a cutscene on NGP, but I'm sure they could get the game size down significantly, especially if it required an install from teh main game card onto the storage gamecard/onboard storage(if there is any) to run.
2. I had this same exact question somewhere in this thread... I'll look for it later, but I doubt we are looking at 25+GB for a game. alot of the same games that run on PS3 are possible with on the Xbox360 which only uses 8GB DL DVDs. Alot of the space used on BRDs for PS3 games are duplication of data to minimize seek time because there is so much space on the disc and the 1st gen BRD drives are kinda slow. I'm sure most PS3 games could and probably do fit within 8GB or less and most NGP games (in the first year or so) will likely not be over 2GB to begin with.
960x544 is roughly 1/4 the resolution of 1080p (1920x180). A couple things to note are that while some games can be run in 1080p, I believe NBA Street or something like that is the only actual (retail) game that runs natively at 1080p on any console. Using any sort of compression, and the fact that videos will only need to run at 960x544 (maximum, they could easily run at a lesser resolution without being very noticeable) will make games take up a lot less space, and all of the textures can be smaller without being noticeable. The console also won't have 7.1 surround sound, so that cuts down on the size of audio files (though not as much as you'd think).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: ThePerm on February 04, 2011, 12:28:21 AM
innovating could be adding existing technology to an object that previously didn't have it. I could think of a great example...but not right now.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on February 04, 2011, 02:27:05 AM
Even the PS3 ports could use lots of compression and get the size down. Games will be really expensive if they need to shop on 4 or 8GB cards. PS3 games cost $60 already and that is with a disc that cost $1. How much do you think NGP games will cost putting the same game on a extra proprietary card that cost $5-$10 each?
Probably $50-$60 depending on what the MSRP for NGP games ends up being. I don't think the storage format is going to change anything price wise. Besides a few exceptions (I distinctly remember Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire being $80 at one point and my mom, understandably appalled beyond belief in hindsight, refusing to buy it for me), most N64 games were $50, the same as most PS1 games, despite the price disparity between cartridges and CDs which was something like $20 vs. $1 respectively. Additionally, not all games are created equal but, for the most part, they all sell for the same MSRP. They aren't sold on perceived worth though, to be fair, how impossible would that be to determine? That's why standard suggested retail prices exist.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Arbok on February 04, 2011, 12:35:11 PM
...most N64 games were $50, the same as most PS1 games...
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure N64 games retailed for $50-60 versus PS1 games retailing for $30-40. Player's choice N64 games sold for $40, while PS1 Greatest Hits sold for $20-25 (I'm sure of the latter).
There was quite a difference in price.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2011, 01:48:10 PM
Most PS1 games were $40-$50.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on February 04, 2011, 02:03:32 PM
I remember at the time being quite frustrated by the price difference between N64 and Playstation games. This would have been a time when the Canadian dollar was quite weak so the prices were much higher than they are now. I remember paying $80 for some N64 games and Playstation titles were probably about $60. Not only were new Playstation games cheaper but I was really annoyed at how the older games could routinely drop in price to about $30 or even $20. Videogames being marked down to that price was a new thing. Meanwhile most N64 games remained at a high price. If they dropped it was at best comparible to new Playstation prices.
CDs had all this CD quality music and voice acting and FMV that the N64's cartridges didn't have and they were cheaper. So I was paying MORE money for less?! And Nintendo wonders why everyone ditched them? At the time it really just felt like the N64's cartridge model was a huge rip-off with no obvious benefits.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 04, 2011, 02:11:35 PM
No load times was an obvious benefit.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 04, 2011, 02:31:03 PM
Whoever was afraid that NGP would be a PS3 port machine has reason to keep on fearing http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-04-new-ngp-details-emerge-at-private-event (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-04-new-ngp-details-emerge-at-private-event)
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Sony staff demoed a handful of upcoming first-party NGP titles, including Uncharted, Little Deviants and WipEout. The source said the latter was "the WipEout HD PS3 engine running on PS3 with no changes to the art platform. That means full resolution, full 60 frames per second. It looks exactly the same as it does on PS3 – all the shader effects are in there".
With Sony urging developers to create releases that work across PS3 and NGP, the implications of this are significant. "They want us to do cross-platform," said the source, explaining that the submission process has been streamlined, with only a single submission required for a title on PSN and NGP.
And developers were told: "All games at launch available on flash [the physical storage medium] would also be on PSN."
However, Sony is also insisting that it "does not want exactly the same game" on NGP and PS3 – there "has to be a reason for the NGP title". "They want at least some kind of interactivity between the two versions with NGP-only extras," the source added. [...] "Any shaders for PS3 stuff will just work," said the source. "We won't have to rewrite. What would have taken two-to-three months before looks like it could take just one-to-two weeks now. The architecture is obviously different, but it's the same development environment."
Sony may not want it, but porting between PS3 and NGP seems like a breeze. Looks like Sony may require a few NGP exclusives, but that could mean a throwaway level or an extra costume or something else insignificant.
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Elsewhere with the hardware, it was confirmed that NGP features three gyroscopes, compared with one in PS3's controller, allowing for more accurate movement. And the front and rear touch panels are both capable of six-point multi-touch.
Maybe Factor 5 would like to give Lair a NGP re-release ;D or patch the PS3 version to use the NGP as the controller ;)
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"The touch pad on the back is fantastic," the source said. "It does feel second nature, like you're having a real impact on the world." As an example of the potential, SCEE described squeezing an object in-game by pinching the front and the back simultaneously.
That is also very good to hear and should alleviate any concerns with that.
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Sony has not yet dated the system beyond plans to begin rollout worldwide by the end of 2011. But during yesterday's presentation, Sony listed the Wi-Fi only edition of NGP as "2011", while the Wi-Fi plus 3G version was listed as "Holiday Season 2011", implying that the 3G-enabled console would not be available day one.
SCEE did not share any solid information on date or price, only adding that details would be revealed "very soon".
I don't know, to me it seems to imply that it's the other way around. The 3G version(the expensive version that they want everyone to own) has a more specific time of year listed while the wifi only version (the budget version) has an extremely vague 2011.
Sony isn't gonna want to manufacture 2 different versions at launch when early adopters are likely to snap up almost all quantities of the launch model as long as the price is right. you don't want to launch a more expensive version later when most people realize that wifi was good enough and that's the version all their friends already have.
edit: But if they are gonna delay the 3G version, which was originally the only version, then they should just skip 3G and use 4G instead. Atleast you'll actually be able to game on 4G.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2011, 02:44:10 PM
Regarding the touch pad, how does that alleviate any concerns? Is it a surprise that Sony is gonna say a Sony product works great? A company executive is not gonna say that a feature of an upcoming product from their company doesn't work well.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 04, 2011, 03:03:50 PM
I originally paired that quote and the one above it together with the bolded text of 6 point multi touch on both front and back mixed with the idea of pinching as well. That should alleviate any concern with Sony not being a little innovative and that the touch pad was just thrown on to be there.
I split it up to slip in a joke about F5. I could've been a little clearer about what concerns I was talking about.
Although I really not sure what you would need 6 point multi touch for on the front or the back and certainly at the same exact time in any combination of 6 -12 touches at once.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on February 04, 2011, 05:36:44 PM
If devs are just going to port PS3 games then it really makes no sense for them to be different formats. I understand the practical limitation of being able to literally play the relatively large PS3 discs on a handheld device but that seems to be the only reason to make this a seperate format. UMD movies bombed because no sane person wanted to buy their DVD movies AGAIN just to play them on the PSP.
One problem Sony may encounter is that people are either PS3 owners or NGP owners but not both. If the same games are available for both I don't need both. I might as well buy only one of them based on whether or console or handheld better suits my lifestyle. With Nintendo people will own both a DS and a Wii. They each offer a unique lineup of games so there is incentive to own both.
And you can say that Sony can't really prevent third parties from going nuts with PS3 ports. But they sort of could. It was their own choice to make the hardware so similar. They're the ones that made it a two week port job. That's very flexible for porting but if they don't want porting they probably should not have designed it that way.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 04, 2011, 05:47:29 PM
I think the problem will come from people that own the physical version of either the NGP or PS3 game vs the person that was patient enough to buy and download all their NGP games from PSN (this is assuming that you don't have access to digital version for free after purchasing the physical cart). Why buy cart games if they are all available on PSN and you can access all your PSN games from your PS3 or NGP.
But we don't really know enough about what Sony is planning to make that call either way. But from this new info there will be plenty of NGP "enhanced" PS3 ports to go around. But I expect the same thing with the 3DS and Wii games too. It will be a major way for devs to minimize risk and increase potential profits.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 04, 2011, 06:02:29 PM
CDs had all this CD quality music and voice acting and FMV that the N64's cartridges didn't have and they were cheaper. So I was paying MORE money for less?!
Actually you were getting more. Wouldn't you rather have gameplay than a bunch of FMV? N64 games like SM64 were 100% gameplay with no FMV filler whatsoever. PS1 games may have been cheaper, but you were paying for FMV and getting ripped off on gameplay.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on February 04, 2011, 07:03:34 PM
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Actually you were getting more. Wouldn't you rather have gameplay than a bunch of FMV? N64 games like SM64 were 100% gameplay with no FMV filler whatsoever. PS1 games may have been cheaper, but you were paying for FMV and getting ripped off on gameplay.
Except that's entirely a matter of opinion. FMV is not necessarily filler. And realistically you got the same "amount" of game, but with some extra bells of whistles. I was a Nintendo fan but I was not so brainwashed to not realize that the PS1 had tons of great games and often the FMV and red book audio only added to the experience. It was a hard sell for Nintendo and, to the surprise of no one, the vast majority wasn't sold on it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Caliban on February 04, 2011, 07:58:11 PM
So $59.99 for NGP games? **** that.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on February 04, 2011, 08:05:43 PM
Indeed. I'd only purchase such a game if I was getting a PS3/NGP combo pack of sorts, like we have nowadays with Blu-Ray sets that come with the DVD as well to encourage people who only have DVD players to upgrade.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 04, 2011, 09:02:56 PM
Indeed. I'd only purchase such a game if I was getting a PS3/NGP combo pack of sorts, like we have nowadays with Blu-Ray sets that come with the DVD as well to encourage people who only have DVD players to upgrade.
If it truly only takes 2 weeks of work to port a game, this would be economically feasible. I doubt anyone will do it, though. It would only really make sense for Sony themselves, anyway.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 04, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
Agreed. Then again, I also say **** that to paying $59.99 for console games either. With game prices like that I'm going to make the bold prediction that software sales on the NGP are going to be weak. Perhaps as weak as on the PSP, or maybe even worse. Hardware sales might do okay though, depending on how easily the device ends up being hacked. I suspect the NGP hardware was more or less finalized well before the PS3 was cracked, so Sony might not have had time to beef up security on this thing and it may be an easy hack for the pirates and homebrew crowd. This combined with $60 games is a recipe for a perfect storm of terrible software sales.
Why is that in the past tense? Are you not a fan anymore?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KDR_11k on February 05, 2011, 04:44:30 AM
I don't buy HD games at the full 70€ ($90) MSRP, the closest I've come were games for 55€ ($70), the early discount some places put on there. And the only ones I bought at that price were Brütal Legend and Vanquish.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: nickmitch on February 05, 2011, 04:41:26 PM
So how much would y'all pay for a PS3/NGP game combo pack? If $60 is worth a PS3 game (kinda) is a game for both worth an additional 20? 30? 7?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KDR_11k on February 05, 2011, 05:22:10 PM
I wouldn't pay extra for it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on February 05, 2011, 05:32:22 PM
Nor would I. In my opinion, it would be in Sony's best interest to take a loss on their first wave of 1st party NGP releases and put out $60 combo packs of PS3/NGP games. Maybe after that, they could raise the price with later games, but at least at launch they need to firmly establish the PS3/NGP connection.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: nickmitch on February 05, 2011, 05:32:48 PM
Well, in a way, it'd be exactly like DVDs that come with a digital copy of the movie, so I can see why you wouldn't pay extra for it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Caliban on February 05, 2011, 06:49:40 PM
I wouldn't pay extra, nor would I want such a combo.
My prior statement in regards to the price of games for NGP is an assumption of mine. Of course. If NGP games are to visually resemble PS3 games than I assume that a price markup is bound to happen. What I don't get about Sony (if they do mark up the NGP game prices), and what Nintendo is doing is why are they inflating the portable software value. Portables have always equaled to cheaper software. If the software for an overtly expensive portable phone is acceptable, why can't it be for a dedicated gaming handheld.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Kytim89 on February 05, 2011, 07:26:42 PM
Suddenly the $39.99 3DS games do not look so bad when compared to those of the PSP 2.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 05, 2011, 07:52:52 PM
Suddenly the $39.99 3DS games do not look so bad when compared to those of the PSP 2.
It never looked bad to begin with. I think the 3DS software is reasonably priced. Now the hardware on the other hand...
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: leroypantweather on February 09, 2011, 02:18:45 AM
Does anyone think/know/speculate, that given the backwards compatibility of psn downloads on NGP is it reasonable to assume that support of the psn will be more fruitful ? Particularly will square finally break down and support digital distribution fully for the last few psp releases, birth by sleep, third birthday, ect?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KDR_11k on February 10, 2011, 10:43:44 AM
I doubt it, most publishers are going to enter that portable gen in the "Sony lost before, they'll lose again" mindset, especially since the sales failure of the PSP was mostly on the software side, the hardware did move after all.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: nickmitch on February 10, 2011, 04:57:55 PM
Well, if it only takes developers 2 weeks to port over a PS3 game, the PSP2 might get some good support, but only if maufactoring costs are cheap. The only concern would be canabalization of software sales, which a publisher shouldn't mind if they get paid either way.
For PSN specifically, I suppose it depends on how many units Sony is able to sell. Since you'll just be able to buy whatever's there, devs can see if it's boosting sales and push more content through PSN.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 10, 2011, 06:09:46 PM
I doubt it, most publishers are going to enter that portable gen in the "Sony lost before, they'll lose again" mindset, especially since the sales failure of the PSP was mostly on the software side, the hardware did move after all.
I think Japanese developers are going to have a different perspective on things, because the PSP right now is very much alive and kicking in Japan. So much so that its actually dominating the charts for some reason. No less than half of the games on the charts this week are PSP games.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on February 10, 2011, 06:42:13 PM
PSP is so jailbroken it's ridiculous. You can put whatever games you want on it, plus movies, plus music. It's like an ipod with great game controls. That's why it's popular. I don't know the software stats, but I doubt they resemble the hardware.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
PSP Software has been getting better in Japan ever since the NGP reveal. I don't know if the 2 are related, but PSP does have 10 of the Top 20 in this weeks MC.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 10, 2011, 11:49:25 PM
Apparently some time of leaked GameStop memo has this thing priced at $299. Also, while this looks awesome, having no TV output (for obvious reasons though, it would hurt PS3 sales), I'm not that interested in it. I was hoping for a badass portable system that would get hacked so I could use it as a portable media center, but for gaming, I'd rather just use a 3DS.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 11, 2011, 07:16:45 AM
I doubt it, most publishers are going to enter that portable gen in the "Sony lost before, they'll lose again" mindset, especially since the sales failure of the PSP was mostly on the software side, the hardware did move after all.
I think Japanese developers are going to have a different perspective on things, because the PSP right now is very much alive and kicking in Japan. So much so that its actually dominating the charts for some reason. No less than half of the games on the charts this week are PSP games.
Aren't most of the games that sell on the PSP dating sims and Monster hunter?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: that Baby guy on February 11, 2011, 06:36:46 PM
Apparently some time of leaked GameStop memo has this thing priced at $299. Also, while this looks awesome, having no TV output (for obvious reasons though, it would hurt PS3 sales), I'm not that interested in it. I was hoping for a badass portable system that would get hacked so I could use it as a portable media center, but for gaming, I'd rather just use a 3DS.
While there's an image of it out there, it's still pretty unconfirmed. It's possible the shot was faked or a GameStop employee manually altered the price. As of now, GameStops still price the device at $999.99, the highest their system allows them to price an item, as they don't have an official price. When a GameStop employee looks up the device, $999.99 is the price they see, still, except, apparently, in that one place where the photo was taken.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TGM on February 12, 2011, 04:37:21 PM
How to Make the NGP:
1. Inject steroids into the PSP for near-PS3 graphical capabilities. Sure, it would make it fatter, but who cares about size anyway? Just look at the iPad! 2. Put a touchpad on the back. Why? Because Sony has a great track record with innovative gimmicks, as opposed to Nintendo. 3. PlayStation Network, because nobody would prefer to play CoD on their home console. 4. Market NGP games as bringing the home console experience to handhelds. That worked so well in the past. 5. Add a second thumbstick because of reasons that would take a whole other list to describe. 6. Pray that Nintendo doesn't release New Super Mario Bros. 3DS, Paper Mario 3D, and Mario Kart 3DS around your launch date.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KDR_11k on February 13, 2011, 04:32:48 AM
Meh, considering the 3DS is just a DS on steroids I don't think the NGP has as much of a disadvantage as the PSP had.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 13, 2011, 08:09:26 AM
Having a touchscreen on the back is something that still doesn't really make much sense to me. If you can't see what you're touching then how can you know you're touching the right thing?
(that's what she said)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 13, 2011, 10:13:20 AM
Did you watch the uncharted video? The front touchscreen is for seeing what you're touching, the rear touchpad is used for controls, like a touchpad on a laptop, etc. I'm sure it will have some cool uses aside from climbing a rope, though, which does seem kind of lame (and is completely unnecessary).
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 13, 2011, 12:08:39 PM
I think Little Deviants is the rear touch panel showcase game at this point.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: nickmitch on February 13, 2011, 01:35:40 PM
Yeah, doesn't that game use both touch areas? The back for the ground and the front for something else?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: MaryJane on March 04, 2011, 08:58:47 AM
So no new information has come out on the NGP just yet, but some of the games being shown at GDC are quite impressive.
This post however, is to ask what people think about subsidizing the NGP through 3G access? It will allow Sony to bring the cost of this monster in the $300 range, but I think it's asking a lot for people to pay monthly just for mobile gaming. Sure you can also browse the internet, but so can the smartphone you're already paying for.
I'm probably still going to buy one (next year, because I want to buy myself a 3DTV around the holidays) but I'm not sure about signing up for a contract. There'll be a Wifi-only version probably, but how much more expensive will that be?
There's a lot of buzz on the interwebs because of the NGPs power, but what about it's practicality?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2011, 11:34:14 AM
I think they should ditch 3G and go for "4G" instead. Every network is gonna have 4G up and running by the time this thing comes out and my experience with 3G tells me it's not really suited for internet gaming anyway... atleast not on the level NGP will be using it. I imagine 3G is fine for web browsing and turn based multiplayer games like chess, checkers & pokemon and what not, but not suitable for past paced reaction based gaming like Killzone and whatever else Sony has planned for this thing.
If you are gonna be paying a monthly contract (~$30mo) for the thing, you should atleast get the most out of it. And in the long run, it might be cheaper to just root/pay extra to turn your phone into a wifi hotspot and keep your phone plugged in as often as possible.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 04, 2011, 12:40:22 PM
Not too surprising, but Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president Andrew House has confirmed that not all NGP games will see retail releases. Only larger games will see retail releases. However, he did say that all retail games will be available as digital games too (so I guess this means you technically never need to buy physical NGP games if you don't want too).
Not too surprising, but Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president Andrew House has confirmed that not all NGP games will see retail releases. Only larger games will see retail releases. However, he did say that all retail games will be available as digital games too (so I guess this means you technically never need to buy physical NGP games if you don't want too).
Huh..I would have expected the opposite (All games receiving a retail release, with only AAA titles getting digital release). To be honest, that's enough for me to squash the idea of having a NGP for a few yeras. When it has come to Sony, the only thing digital releases have done is falsely keep prices of games such as inFamous, Burnout Paradise, and most of their PSP1 lineup at retail price while you can find the disc copy for half the price.
Squashing the used market like that makes it difficult to justify the purchase right now, at least until the system goes down in price.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on March 04, 2011, 04:55:05 PM
It's funny how at first companies were incredibly hesitant to sell anything in a downloadable format. It took a long time for us to get a good model for buying and downloading music for example. And yet recently Sony has been super gung ho about downloading games. First they try the PSP Go which bombed and now they're acting like retail releases will be rare. It is such a complete turnaround.
But as lolmonade points out, this lets them squash the used market. Yeah, when the public demands downloading because of convenience they drag their feet. But the ability to prevent totally legal used purchases? They are on that faster than lightning. The thing is I don't think we're at that point yet where the market is ready for it. We haven't even really had a good taste of games being available on both formats and they're already phasing phyiscal copies out? I don't think it's going to work. They're forcing it. PC gamers are ready but handheld/console gamers need a transition first.
This approach would be like if one day the store was all VHS and the next day it was all DVDs. There has to be a period where everything is on both the old and new. I think they think this will force fencesitters to go with the download because that's all they can get. I think the fencesitters will just not buy the game outright.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: lolmonade on March 04, 2011, 05:08:50 PM
So no new information has come out on the NGP just yet, but some of the games being shown at GDC are quite impressive.
This post however, is to ask what people think about subsidizing the NGP through 3G access? It will allow Sony to bring the cost of this monster in the $300 range, but I think it's asking a lot for people to pay monthly just for mobile gaming. Sure you can also browse the internet, but so can the smartphone you're already paying for.
I'm probably still going to buy one (next year, because I want to buy myself a 3DTV around the holidays) but I'm not sure about signing up for a contract. There'll be a Wifi-only version probably, but how much more expensive will that be?
There's a lot of buzz on the interwebs because of the NGPs power, but what about it's practicality?
My wish: Non-3G Price: $300 3G Price $350
Realistically: Non-3G Price $350-400 range 3G Price: $400-450 range
In all actuality, I expect the 3G model to cost more, similar to the Ipad or Nook e-reader.
If Sony was wanting to stay price competitive with the 3DS, they would only allow themselves to price it at $50 more for the non-3g model. But I think it's pretty fair to assume they're going to take a decent sized loss on this product regardless, and I could see them starting with a price range closer to $400/$450 for the sake of wringing out every possible penny for the early adopters. This would also make it so they have a lower price to go to if it stagnates over the initial release.
In terms of practicality, it seems as if both the 3DS and NGP are built around the assumption that someone may buy this handheld console, and it be their only or main console for gaming. I think the 3DS is at a good in-between point price-wise that it could still hit mass market appeal (at the very least when they hit the $200 mark), but I think the NGP is going to be a hard sell for the mass market.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2011, 06:05:19 PM
Ian, I think you're reading it wrong (or maybe I am), but it sounds like all he is saying is that ALL games will be available digitally, including those that were traditionally retail only.
As it is now, anything that is too big to to be considered a downloadable game gets a retail release, I don't suspect that this will change. Smaller, experimental & indie efforts will not likely see retail releases and neither will smaller, experimental 'big publisher' side projects. Those titles will be solely available on PSN like they are now.
All this sounds like to me is that NGP is gonna be Sony's attempt at a Steam-like service where all titles are available for download, so you will always be able to find a copy. Retail stores now have the limited selection of only those titles that the publishers thought would make it in a retail environment. It's a strategy that someone needed to implement sooner or later if they are to phase out the importance of retailers like GameStop who undermine their ability to make a profit by not just selling second hand software, but selling it in place of new retail copies whenever possible.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ian Sane on March 04, 2011, 06:15:54 PM
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Ian, I think you're reading it wrong (or maybe I am), but it sounds like all he is saying is that ALL games will be available digitally, including those that were traditionally retail only.
Yeah, I was ready what TJ wrote but didn't look at the link. I had heard about this thing on Penny Arcade's forums as well so I just figured it was the same thing.
All titles will be available digitally but not necessarily all titles will be retail. That's clearly what the guy from Sony is saying. But that could mean different things. If you made every Wii game available digitally then you could have a situation where not all games were available at retail because WiiWare titles wouldn't be. But is he saying that or is he saying that there will be a lot of digital titles and that retail titles will only be exceptional titles? It could be interpreted either way.
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In terms of practicality, it seems as if both the 3DS and NGP are built around the assumption that someone may buy this handheld console, and it be their only or main console for gaming.
My greatest fear is that the 3DS is the Wii successor. I'm fine with Nintendo and Sony doing this provided they let me hook these up to a TV. No one buys stereos anymore but you can buy docking stations for iPods for when you want to fill the room with music, instead of going through headphones. I just ask for the ability to enjoy my portable device at home in comfort.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Razorkid on March 06, 2011, 02:58:46 PM
My personal dilemma with the NGP is whether or not I should pick up a PSP 3000 with an awesome library at dirt cheap (used) prices, or wait for the new system and experience most of the PSP back catalog digitally (though paying full price for those games) as well as whatever new hotness they got cooking up.
I really want to be excited for this system, but there is just nothing software wise that I have to look forward to, or even to speculate looking forward to. I'm more tempted at picking up even a GO (which has been getting the fire sale treatment lately selling for under $100) and just experience all the great games I missed out on the PSP than even care about what games the NGP will offer.
Am I alone in this? Maybe it's the proximity of the 3DS launch with software that I actually care about, or maybe it's the fact that besides the great titles that have been named by Nintendo and 3rd parties to be coming out later for 3DS, I can imagine so many games that I would want to see on the system.
For the NGP, all I can think that I want is......PSP and PSN titles on my system. That's kinda sad considering I can already have the former for around $100 and I already have the latter on my PS3 sans portability. Outside the occasional exclusive, I rarely play a lot of disc based games on my PS3, there's just not a lot that interests me there. Hell, I play and own more PSN titles than actual disc based games for the system! So when the prospect of getting a PS3 made portable appears, I just can't drum up any excitement for it despite absolutely digging the tech. I really want Sony to convince me why I shouldn't miss out on this thing because that price is gonna be a whopping doozy.
And speaking of price, to MaryJane's question on subsidizing the NGP's price with 3G contracts, I think it's a terrible idea that's only gonna make an already expensive piece of tech cost more money. Sure I'll save, what? $50-$100 off the unit? But then (speculating of course but this is how it is for the majority of 3G enabled devices that are expected to transfer large amounts of data at once) I'm locked into a contract paying anywhere from $10-$25 a month for X years. Why? An always connected portable system is great for the gaming community, but outside of notifications and maybe chat, you are not gonna be able to game across the internet on 3G like you can over WiFi with the type of games that are popular with online multiplayer today (FPS's, Racers, Fighting games, etc.) So if you can't play nearly lag free gaming on the go over 3G, what's the point?
The NGP is not a phone and I'm positive anybody who will purchase one will also already own a smartphone and be paying for a data plan. I just don't see the reasoning to even release a 3G enabled one at all if only to make the WiFi only version to appear cheaper than it really is?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 06, 2011, 10:07:31 PM
PSP 3000 is a piece of ****. I've got 3 of them I need to fix now (for customers) because of the shitty little switches that they have on them that signal when the tray is closed, and because of the sorry excuse for securing the door on the back. The switch breaks, you can't play games (on UMD), and you have to completely disassemble the ENTIRE system to replace this piece of **** that is surely going to break again. I would recommend ANY model of PSP EXCEPT for the 3000.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Morari on March 06, 2011, 10:23:17 PM
They're forcing it. PC gamers are ready but handheld/console gamers need a transition first.
Actually, I think that the handheld market is the only place where a strict digital distribution really makes sense. No one likes carrying around a case full of cartridges, that's not portable. Having everything downloaded to your GameBoy and ready to go though...
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on March 07, 2011, 07:23:45 AM
Who wouldn't want everything to be available when you want it? I hate going to a store and not finding the game I want. Sold out or whatever. I especially hate pre-ordering games simply for the fact of reserving a copy (pre-order bonuses are always nice though).
The only problem I see is having the HDD crash or some other software/hardware bug. Having to DL all your games again would suck.
I think a nice compromise would be to backup games on your HDD so you didn't have to take them with you.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: lolmonade on March 07, 2011, 07:51:06 AM
Who wouldn't want everything to be available when you want it? I hate going to a store and not finding the game I want. Sold out or whatever. I especially hate pre-ordering games simply for the fact of reserving a copy (pre-order bonuses are always nice though).
The only problem I see is having the HDD crash or some other software/hardware bug. Having to DL all your games again would suck.
I think a nice compromise would be to backup games on your HDD so you didn't have to take them with you.
They're forcing it. PC gamers are ready but handheld/console gamers need a transition first.
Actually, I think that the handheld market is the only place where a strict digital distribution really makes sense. No one likes carrying around a case full of cartridges, that's not portable. Having everything downloaded to your GameBoy and ready to go though...
In some ways I do love the thought of download-only portables. As mentioned above, the concept of only having to have the console and not have to carry around 5-10 cartridges (or UMDs....ugh) is a very appealing prospect, especially for those who travel often. Also, for someone like me with a Playstation 3, the thought of possibly downloading PSN exclusive titles such as Joe Danger or Flower and playing them on the NGP on a plane is a very enticing concept.
Personally, my issue is that I haven't found too often that the prices of these games are competitive enough on PSN. Someone mentioned that PC people have no problem with Steam, and I think that is only true because Steam has awesome sales at least once every 3-4 months. Steam even has 10-20% discounts for people who pre-order the games sometimes (mostly when it's a Valve game, but you get my point). I need to see publishers and Sony be more flexible on pricing before I am ok parting with the used game market. If Sony adopts Steam's flexibility on pricing, then I'll be ok with giving up the used game market.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 07, 2011, 11:39:36 AM
My personal dilemma with the NGP is whether or not I should pick up a PSP 3000 with an awesome library at dirt cheap (used) prices, or wait for the new system and experience most of the PSP back catalog digitally
Why not wait until the NGP comes out and then get a PSP? The logic behind that is when the NGP is out PSP owners should be selling/trading in their PSPs and in theory that means you can get one more cheaply, as well as the games that go with it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Razorkid on March 07, 2011, 11:55:57 AM
Yeah, that's actually the best thing to do. Honestly it's not like I need the thing, especially this year. All the psp hardware and software are not gonna disappear in the next few years anyway.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 07, 2011, 12:05:55 PM
You've waited this long, whats another 8-12 months?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 08, 2011, 02:09:54 AM
I'm sure Sony will cut the price of new PSPs even further at some point. Seems like every console/handheld eventually drops to at least $99 (if not $79) in its final days of life. Even if they don't, retail stores may do so anyway in order to clear out inventory.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2011, 01:06:12 PM
[szie=12pt]Rumor: NGP to hit Europe this year? (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/43422/NGP-to-hit-Europe-this-year?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mcvuk%2FoXMK+%28MCV%3A+games+industry+news%29&utm_content=Twitter)[/size]
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Third party licensees insist that NGP will arrive in Europe before Christmas
Forget what you've heard about Japan getting it first – third party licensees insist that NGP will arrive in Europe this year. Sources have told MCV that development deadlines have been set to ensure key Western releases are finished before the end of the summer for deployment in the autumn.
Online leaks even suggest the console will launch on Friday, November 11th. This would make the hardware roll-out for the follow-up to PSP Sony’s first simultaneous global games hardware launch.
Still no word on the price, but I'm sure we will find that out @ E3.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on March 10, 2011, 01:14:40 PM
I'm guessin 400 easy
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2011, 01:22:59 PM
$400 US or $400 EUR?
that is the question.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on March 10, 2011, 02:31:33 PM
probably both
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
That would suck for Eurpoeans since $400 Euros = $550 US
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on March 10, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
Yeah but it's not any worse than KDR paying 60 euros for games.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: SixthAngel on March 10, 2011, 08:50:45 PM
[szie=12pt]Rumor: NGP to hit Europe this year? (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/43422/NGP-to-hit-Europe-this-year?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mcvuk%2FoXMK+%28MCV%3A+games+industry+news%29&utm_content=Twitter)
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Third party licensees insist that NGP will arrive in Europe before Christmas
Forget what you've heard about Japan getting it first – third party licensees insist that NGP will arrive in Europe this year. Sources have told MCV that development deadlines have been set to ensure key Western releases are finished before the end of the summer for deployment in the autumn.
Online leaks even suggest the console will launch on Friday, November 11th. This would make the hardware roll-out for the follow-up to PSP Sony’s first simultaneous global games hardware launch.
Still no word on the price, but I'm sure we will find that out @ E3.
Did they really say it won't be in Japan first?
Isn't that basically going to make them an also ran in Japan where the psp did the best? I can't imagine japanese game makers or people buying the systems will be happy about the change. It makes me think that most of their games will be western games which is strange because Japan made almost every ds game I own.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 11, 2011, 05:23:48 AM
Its not going to be $400; its going to be $399.99.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Kytim89 on March 11, 2011, 04:15:32 PM
Its not going to be $400; its going to be $399.99.
I am banking on the NGP being $299.99 in the US and Canada. Hopefully this will motivate Nintendo to eventually drop the price of the 3DS to $199.99 and that is what I want to pay for the device.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on March 11, 2011, 04:23:27 PM
That's not going to happen.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 11, 2011, 05:26:41 PM
I don't know, but at this moment, I doubt any new console will be launched in Japan.
It will still launch. Its not a good time to launch, but even though tragedies and crises are going on life still goes on... 10 years ago when 9/11 happened was around the same time that the Xbox and Gamecube launched.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2011, 03:56:36 PM
NGP to be $250 wifi only & $350 w/ 3G? Would that affect your decision on buying a 3DS for $250? http://kotaku.com/#!5782436/ngp-to-be-priced-at-250-but-also-350 (http://kotaku.com/#!5782436/ngp-to-be-priced-at-250-but-also-350)
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A survey conducted yesterday by research firm Toluna, and sponsored by publishers Ubisoft (it was labelled "Ubisoft- NGP concept- US Adults"), says that "the retail price of the Sony NGP is expected to be around $350", and asks the respondent "How likely would you be to purchase the Sony NGP now that you know this retail price?"
That's for the premium model, the one with 3G. The next question, however, says that the version of the NGP shipping without 3G connectivity will be priced considerably lower: at $250.
Of course, being a survey conducted by a third-party publisher and not Sony itself, these prices could well be pure conjecture. The fact it's such a major publisher, though, and that it's so confidently-worded, means those prices are at least worth bearing in mind.
Far from fact, but also not out of the realm of possible. Is the 3DS really over priced or is the NGP severely underpriced? I still think that the it will retail for no less than $299 regardless of what version and more likely the low price will be $349 for the wifi model.
Sony needs this to be a winner, but can they afford to take big losses on every unit sold (assuming they are taking a big loss at a $250 price point) with their current financial situations regarding the PS3.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: KDR_11k on March 16, 2011, 03:59:36 PM
It's pure speculation. If it was priced at 250 I'd be interested but I doubt it. Sony would have shouted that from the rooftops if they really could match the 3DS's price.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on March 16, 2011, 04:21:58 PM
Funny, 250 is too much for me to warrant buying a 3DS this soon (or before a revision), but I'd pick up an NGP easily for that price.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: MaryJane on March 16, 2011, 05:22:50 PM
Considering that subsidized smartphones with half the power of the NGP are coming out this summer for $250 I can't see it coming out for that price. If it does though, Sony would be banking on game sales and considering their push for ports and PSN games, I don't see that happening. There is still a lot Sony hasn't told us about the plans, but they would need very strong (and expensive?) software support to make the NGP profitable.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Razorkid on March 16, 2011, 06:14:28 PM
Certainly at a price tag of $250, I'd pick up an NGP. Will it come out at that price? I don't think so, in any form. Like a poster stated above, if Sony was going to sell anywhere near that price, they would have declared it already. As it is, I don't see the 3DS being effected at all by the NGP, nor vice versa. Outside of them both being handhelds, they offer completely different experiences imo.
If the NGP does launch at $250 though, it will be the first time that I will own and actively play two different handheld systems.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 17, 2011, 05:19:05 AM
Is the 3DS really over priced or is the NGP severely underpriced?
Both probably.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 17, 2011, 12:12:25 PM
I don't know if the NGP is underpriced, but the 3DS is definitely overpriced. I think all of Nintendo's recent success has gone to their head, because this is so unlike them to charge $250 for a portable. That was the price they launched their consoles at...
Of course, then again... the 3DS is a beast by handheld standards. But I really think they could charge $199 or perhaps less than that, and the only reason they are charging $250 is because they know they can get away with it because of high demand and the popularity of the DS. But such a high price point will impact long term sales. We might see a price cut around the holiday season. That's why I'm going to wait on it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 17, 2011, 12:35:02 PM
Didn't they admit that they priced the system based on the reaction at last year's E3? Or that they at least factored it in?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 17, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
Yes they did, they said they raised the price based on the strong reaction the system got at E3 last year.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 17, 2011, 01:20:45 PM
No. they said the strong reaction was a factor in the price that they announced.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Razorkid on March 18, 2011, 04:08:59 PM
Eh...The 3DS is not priced outside the value that I perceive it is going to give me, so I'm willing to jump in at launch. It's a portable Gamecube with more functionality, so I don't think it's as overpriced as some would like to suggest. But for others, the potential experience just doesn't justify the cost. If the NGP launches at $250, I will definitely get it. Anything higher, and I will simply wait for the inevitable price cut years down the line. Why? Because my perceived value from that system is not worth more than $250, it's just that simple.
An iPad is not worth $499 to me, but to many others it does. With all this incredible portable tech we are seeing becoming more ubiquitous (but not more affordable) I don't think it's a question of "Is the tech worth the price" anymore, but "Is it worth it for me?"
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: fiendcode on March 19, 2011, 03:22:44 PM
Its not going to be $400; its going to be $399.99.
I am banking on the NGP being $299.99 in the US and Canada. Hopefully this will motivate Nintendo to eventually drop the price of the 3DS to $199.99 and that is what I want to pay for the device.
Sony will have multiple SKUs, expect probably $299 for the "core" model and $399 for the premium one (with 3G, internal flash, etc). And if PSP/PS3 were anything to go by, the higher priced model will be the only one readily available anywhere.
Title: No NGP till 2012!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
NGP May Be Delayed Because of Japan Disaster -One system's Fail is another system's Win- http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-04/sony-new-playstation-portable-may-be-delayed-by-japan-disaster.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-04/sony-new-playstation-portable-may-be-delayed-by-japan-disaster.html)
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Sony may introduce the PlayStation Portable, codenamed “NGP,” in only one region this year instead of starting sales in Asia, Europe or the U.S. in time for the end-of-year holiday shopping season, Jack Tretton, president of Sony Computer Entertainment of America, said. Tretton declined to say which region might get the handheld first.
Production problems brought on by the disaster in Japan have forced the Tokyo-based company to consider rolling it out in only one geographic area, Tretton said.
“It may be the straw that says ‘maybe we get to just one market by the end of the year,’” he said in an interview last week. A delayed introduction may give game developers in certain regions more time to complete their software, Tretton said.
They are saying that they may only get to one market this year, but I'm sure they were saying that before the quake, so maybe this is a way to soften the blow that they must might not be ready to launch this year at all. Nintendo better turn Sony's lemons into some damn fine lemonade and be sure that that Monster Hunter 3DS announcement happens and it releases this holiday season.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on April 04, 2011, 11:29:05 PM
Honestly, I wouldn't mind waiting till 2012 for the NGP. I just purchased a PSP 3000 a couple of days ago (the clarion call of Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep, Dissidia 2, and Valkyria Chronicles 2 was very appealing, as well as the free LittleBigPlanet PSP GameStop was throwing in to sweeten the deal this week). There's more than enough games in the PSP's (digital) library to keep me satisfied with the unit until 2012, especially with the PS3 (and occasionally Wii) games I already play. Still, that's pretty bad news for Sony, though. The PSP's market share in the global market is fragile at best, so Sony's going to have to have a stellar Western launch lineup to make up for all the ground they're already giving the 3DS.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 05, 2011, 01:52:37 AM
Honestly, I really believe the disaster in Japan is impacting their production abilities. Much of the world's computer chips are manufactured in Japan and of course the manufacturing requires electricity, so when that nuclear plant went down it was a big deal. This might effect 3DS production as well, unless its chips are manufactured somewhere else.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ceric on April 06, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
When I went to buy my 3DS at launch the manager at the Gamestop mentioned that because of the recent disaster over in Japan Nintendo only gave Gamestop the amount the pre-orderred. I haven't been to Walmart, Target, and the like since to see how many 3DS I see in the wild. Though as mentioned the power issue is probably going to be the biggest factor in production.
As for the NGP it looks interesting though seriously enough if they sold one that did 3G and tethering without a monthly fee, I be there for $399. This is something I need to get in my hands.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on April 07, 2011, 11:01:42 AM
Sony has now come forth and stated (http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110405D05JF001.htm) that the NGP will not be delayed due to the earthquake/tsunami. Personally, reading between the lines this sounds like spin to me. They basically say that it wasn't necessarily their intention on releasing the device in all 3 regions at the same time to begin with. So we might still see the device in NA in 2012, but it wouldn't be delayed due to the earthquake disrupting production. In the grand scheme of things, I don't see why that matters since we still probably won't be seeing the device this year, but that's semantics for you.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2011, 11:22:01 AM
So they aren't saying that it won't be delayed, just that it won't be delayed because of the earthquake.
So 2012 it is and a possibly very limited JPN launch during Holiday 2011
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2011, 11:54:40 AM
They need the extra time so they can steal another Nintendo innovation by tacking on a 3D screen.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ceric on April 07, 2011, 03:57:48 PM
They need the extra time so they can steal another Nintendo innovation by tacking on a 3D screen.
I was actually sort of surprised that Nintendo was getting the 3D screen out before Sony since they have a lot of different 3D tech in house. What would have been more perfect to outdo the DS anyway. Nintendo just beat them to the punch.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 08, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
You'd think after the whole 599.99 US dollars incident that Sony would be a little smarter then this. If they honestly believe they can get away with selling the NGP at a price much higher then the 3DS they're in trouble. Maybe they can get away with it in Japan where the PSP has ended up creating a large fanbase for itself but in the west where nobody gives a sh!t about the system except as a pirate machine it's just not going to fly.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2011, 01:51:27 PM
I meant to post this the other day and comment on how the PSP2 will end up being at minimum $399 at launch. But I never read the whole thing so I never got around to posting it.
Before reading any of it though I was thinking that this could also be used to defend the over pricing of the 3DS in most markets and that Sony was indirectly defending that so they could later justify their even higher price for NGP later.
It's all about perceived value and Sony has a lot of losses to make up for. They can't really afford to take a loss on this hardware and have the software not bring in the expected returns like the PSP did. So maybe they take a page out of Nintendo's book and make their profit on the hardware now and then make more profits on the software later too.
edit: and how about we follow up that article with this article http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=33710.msg665687#msg665687
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 08, 2011, 02:47:01 PM
If price "doesn't make or kill a platform", then why is it that PS3 sales were **** until the price was dropped to $299? Maybe the NGP is going to follow a similar strategy where it launches at a high price and has shitty sales for a couple years, but then Sony will lower the price and hopefully it will pick up steam at that point? That may be what they are thinking.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2011, 03:15:23 PM
Then Nintendo can release the 4DS that not only displays in 3D with HD graphics better than the PS3, but also allows you to bend space and time. That way we can do this all over again as if it didn't just happen.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2011, 02:43:17 AM
Looks like Sony's telling analysts to expect the NGP to launch in North American in 2011 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6308564.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop%3Btitle%3B11). Huh. I guess Sony's smelling blood in the water with the less-than-phenomenal early sales of the 3DS, so they're trying to get it out here before the big 3DS software can arrive. Or else in the words of Doc Brown "It could all just be an amazing coincidence."
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2011, 03:02:20 AM
Except it will most likely launch at the same time as the first wave of big 3DS software, with a launch lineup of likely about the same quality as the 3DS's and an even higher price. I'm not sure launching earlier will work out any better for Sony than it has so far for Nintendo. They'd probably be better off waiting until they can put an impressive library behind it out of the gate and get some sales momentum going to build developer support.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 03:05:14 AM
or they want to get it out before having to deal with both the 3DS AAA games around Xmas and then the Wii2 in early 2012. They don't want to be drowned out completely by Nintendo hardware, hype and news.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2011, 01:47:44 AM
Look slike the PSP2 isn't the only handheld Sony is releasing this year.... http://www.engadget.com/photos/sony-s1-and-s2-android-honeycomb-tablets/#4087515
a single screen and a Dual Screen Nvidia Tegra 2 powered tablet (http://i.imgur.com/qiB2Z.jpg)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on April 26, 2011, 03:01:05 AM
That S2 looks pretty slick. Wish the screens were bigger though.
Title: NGP Downgraded!? Less RAM & No Internal Flash!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2011, 07:44:27 PM
01net Rumor: NGP Specs Downgraded!! Less RAM & No Internal Flash From 512MB RAM + 128MB VRAM down to 256MB RAM + 128MB VRAM http://www.1up.com/news/ram-cut-internal-memory-removed (http://www.1up.com/news/ram-cut-internal-memory-removed)
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Rumor: NGP Specs Dowgraded, 2011 Release in Japan
The NGP will release this year in Japan and next year in the rest of the world according to 01.net, a French site tech with a history of reliably reporting leaked Sony information. That same site leaked accurate specs of the NGP weeks before the devices unveiling in January.
According to 01.net's information, non-3G models of the NGP will be priced competitively with the 3DS. Meaning we can expect that the low-end model will cost around $250-$300. In order to reach that price window some sacrifices had to be made. While earlier reports pegged the new handheld as sporting 512MB of RAM, the newest information suggests that Sony has cut that number in half to 256MB. In order to compensate for the loss, the company reduced the size of the OS footprint in memory. 26MB of the 256 is high-speed RAM that can be used for certain tasks that require quicker access to system memory. The 128MB of graphics memory are still in place; however the planned 16MB of internal flash memory have been removed in favor of cheaper external storage.
While none of this information has been confirmed by Sony, 01.net's track record with Sony information lends credence to their claims. One way or another, we'll find out at E3.
Original Source: http://www.01net.com/editorial/533663/la-ngp-sortira-en-2011-moins-puissante-et-moins-chere-que-prevu/ (http://www.01net.com/editorial/533663/la-ngp-sortira-en-2011-moins-puissante-et-moins-chere-que-prevu/)
I'm gonna guess that NGP 3Gless will be $299 if this is true. ($399 w/ 3G)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 26, 2011, 08:50:57 PM
So its going to be less powerful than a PS3 which is going to make direct ports impossible. I think it can be inferred from this that Sony realized the mistake they made with the PS3 of a $600 behemoth which no one could afford or was willing to pay. Now they realize that the Wii had it right and that it is more important to be affordable than powerful.
This is both good and bad for Nintendo. It is good because it means the NGP isn't going to outclass their 3DS by as much, but its bad because a more affordable NGP is going to have a better sales performance.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Oblivion on May 26, 2011, 08:54:30 PM
It was always going to be less powerful than the PS3. In fact, before these cuts, it was less than half as powerful. I don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 26, 2011, 09:04:22 PM
It was always going to be less powerful than the PS3. In fact, before these buts, it was less than half as powerful. I don't know what you're talking about.
I was going by the RAM. Before the cuts it would have had the same MB of RAM available as the PS3 does.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Oblivion on May 26, 2011, 09:36:42 PM
Oooh. Okay. My mistake.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2011, 12:59:10 AM
But you are right, though... the processor and all that other stuff is important too. But I just don't know how to measure it against the Cell processor the PS3 uses. Clock speeds aren't everything, so comparing processors is a bit complicated.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2011, 01:09:36 AM
The downgrade is mostly in the RAM, but since the video RAM isn't touched, it shouldn't affect the graphics too much. There may be some slight visual downgrades which will come probably from detail and background environments first, but the average joe wouldn't notice anyway nor would they care.
And chances are that there will likely be alot of direct ports since the NGP doesn't need the same amount of RAM as the PS3 since it's not producing 1080p or even 720p (I think) visuals on it's 5" screen. You should still be able to have your Portable PS3 and actually play it on the go too.
But a $250 NGP puts the already wounded pride of the 3DS at risk. I still think Sony will go for a Premium over the 3DS ($299.99) and the 3DS will probably drop it's price right before/after Xmas ($224.99) to combat the sales with a larger price difference. Software lineup will help greatly though.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2011, 01:17:33 AM
If 3DS sales don't start picking up soon then Nintendo should be considering a price cut even before then, and the cut needs to be more substantial than $25.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2011, 01:20:28 AM
they probably won't drop it at all, but instead pack-in some software like Super Mario 3DS.
I'm will be surprised if they don't include or advertise some Avatar 3D on 3DS as soon as the movie shop is open. That just seems like so much easy money for everyone involved.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Stogi on May 27, 2011, 01:20:59 AM
Nintendo would be stupid to drop the price.
The only reason it's not taking off is because no one sees any reason to buy it yet. Simple as that. The DS did just as poorly out of the gate. It also didn't have the worst earth quake ever to deal with. Give it time and software and it'll sell.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 27, 2011, 01:36:38 AM
I'm pretty sure Nintendo regrets dropping the DS from $150 to $130 when they did, and I think they'll be a lot more hesitant to drop the 3DS price. It's not going to happen this year, that's for sure.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2011, 01:50:47 AM
Maybe the 3DS's biggest problem right now is the DS which is half the price. I remember back when the PS3 was first launched it consistently got outsold by the PS2 which was like 1/5th the price.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: ymeegod on May 27, 2011, 01:59:33 AM
The NGP screen specs are 960 x 544 which is higher than standard TV specs but just a tad bit. So yeah it's was never going be the same power as the PS3 but because it's running at an lower resolution it doesn't have to be.
I agree with Black, I think nintendo's next move it going include an packaged title. The DS had Mario 64, and then the bigger bundles like Nintendodogs, BrianAge, Mario Kart, SuperMario Bros ect. Think it's going be the next SMB game.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
The NGP screen specs are 960 x 544 which is higher than standard TV specs but just a tad bit. So yeah it's was never going be the same power as the PS3 but because it's running at an lower resolution it doesn't have to be.
I agree with Black, I think nintendo's next move it going include an packaged title. The DS had Mario 64, and then the bigger bundles like Nintendodogs, BrianAge, Mario Kart, SuperMario Bros ect. Think it's going be the next SMB game.
From what I hear I honestly think PilotWings should have been a Pack-in.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 27, 2011, 09:46:50 AM
Maybe the 3DS's biggest problem right now is the DS which is half the price. I remember back when the PS3 was first launched it consistently got outsold by the PS2 which was like 1/5th the price.
Isn't that the case with pretty much any new console? It always takes time for sales to die down from the cheaper previous generation, unless that generation didn't do all that hot. Also the PS3 vs PS2 sales had more to do with the PS3 being so expensive, it was being outsold by everything by quite a big margin.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2011, 10:32:38 AM
Maybe the 3DS's biggest problem right now is the DS which is half the price. I remember back when the PS3 was first launched it consistently got outsold by the PS2 which was like 1/5th the price.
Isn't that the case with pretty much any new console? It always takes time for sales to die down from the cheaper previous generation, unless that generation didn't do all that hot. Also the PS3 vs PS2 sales had more to do with the PS3 being so expensive, it was being outsold by everything by quite a big margin.
Not the Wii lol. I think the GCN had ran its course.
Yeah and then Sony Quickly took away BC making it not a clear upgrade for someone with a dead PS2. It should have been a bit cheaper but it was even then a cheaper Blu-Ray player and thats where I think Sony really squandered it. They should have made it a point to have some cheap casual games for the people who got it just to be a Blu-Ray player.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 27, 2011, 11:15:13 AM
Maybe the 3DS's biggest problem right now is the DS which is half the price. I remember back when the PS3 was first launched it consistently got outsold by the PS2 which was like 1/5th the price.
Isn't that the case with pretty much any new console? It always takes time for sales to die down from the cheaper previous generation, unless that generation didn't do all that hot. Also the PS3 vs PS2 sales had more to do with the PS3 being so expensive, it was being outsold by everything by quite a big margin.
Not the Wii lol. I think the GCN had ran its course.
Yeah and then Sony Quickly took away BC making it not a clear upgrade for someone with a dead PS2. It should have been a bit cheaper but it was even then a cheaper Blu-Ray player and thats where I think Sony really squandered it. They should have made it a point to have some cheap casual games for the people who got it just to be a Blu-Ray player.
Lol, which is why I said "unless that generation didn't so hot". I was thinking of Gamecube and Sega Saturn.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2011, 12:02:12 PM
Maybe the 3DS's biggest problem right now is the DS which is half the price. I remember back when the PS3 was first launched it consistently got outsold by the PS2 which was like 1/5th the price.
Isn't that the case with pretty much any new console? It always takes time for sales to die down from the cheaper previous generation, unless that generation didn't do all that hot. Also the PS3 vs PS2 sales had more to do with the PS3 being so expensive, it was being outsold by everything by quite a big margin.
Not the Wii lol. I think the GCN had ran its course.
Yeah and then Sony Quickly took away BC making it not a clear upgrade for someone with a dead PS2. It should have been a bit cheaper but it was even then a cheaper Blu-Ray player and thats where I think Sony really squandered it. They should have made it a point to have some cheap casual games for the people who got it just to be a Blu-Ray player.
Lol, which is why I said "unless that generation didn't so hot". I was thinking of Gamecube and Sega Saturn.
lol, I honestly didn't see that line when I responded.
Title: NGP = PS Vita!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2011, 03:18:15 PM
NGP aka PSP2 to actually be called PS Vita!? Vita means Life.... PS Life? PlayStation Life? http://gamespundit.com/1359/rumour-time-ngps-official-name-revealed (http://gamespundit.com/1359/rumour-time-ngps-official-name-revealed)
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The ‘NGP’. The ‘Next Generation Portable’. The ‘PSP2’. These are all synonyms for the successor of the PSP. But what is the final name?
The NGP was officially announced in January of this year. The release of the PSP successor itself wasn’t a big shock. We all knew it had to come eventually. The real shock was the specs of the device, which was essentially credited as a PS3 Portable with similar graphics. After the announcement it became a tad silent around the NGP as Sony is waiting on the E3 to announce more.
But today we received some new, and exclusive, information from an anonymous source. The official name of the NGP! Rumor has it that the new Sony handheld will bear the name PS Vita. Vita is Latin/Italian for ‘life’. Does Sony hope to bring life back into their stock? Do they want to rejuvenate the PSP? Revitalize your needs for portable gaming?
Our source tells us that this will be the definite and final name of the new system Sony will bring out at the end of 2011.
Sony is expected to give further announcements on the E3 next week.
Sounds like a horrible name like GEM was before Move. Not sure if I believe it is an official name, but some more like a slogan for advertising than the name of an actual product.
but the site also went on to add this after their article
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In my opinion this is a very surprising name. Mainly because it will be the first innovative name Sony is using for any of its consoles/handhelds.
P.S. Please remember to take this with a grain of salt and this is NOT fake information that we have made up. The source cannot be proven reliable, of course, but this site was not set up with the intention of getting hits with bogus information. Other sites may do this but to be honest, I think that’s pretty sad. To reiterate, please don’t take this as fact and look to E3 for the final name; hopefully we’ll have it right! The above is of course still speculation and rumours and we have no confirmation as of yet but we will have some soon.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2011, 03:30:09 PM
So does that mean Sony's preemptively stealing Nintendo's "innovation" of the Vitality Sensor?
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 28, 2011, 11:50:58 PM
It should have been called "PS Vista" and came with a copy of Windows Vista preinstalled on it.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2011, 02:09:02 AM
It should have been called "PS Vista" and came with a copy of Windows Vista preinstalled on it.
And every time you pressed a button to perform an in-game action, it asked you for permission.
Also, Nintendo doesn't necessarily need to drop the price of 3DS. They need to release Zelda. 3DS should have launched with Ocarina of Time. It may be a 13 year old game, but it's still Ocarina of Time.
Title: PS Vita Pics?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2011, 02:45:20 PM
Some supposed pics have surfaced
(http://i.imgur.com/4kvt5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YMXND.jpg)
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 29, 2011, 02:48:43 PM
I hope it's not the actual name. The more I think about it, the worse that sounds.
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: broodwars on May 29, 2011, 02:52:08 PM
I hope it's not the actual name. The more I think about it, the worse that sounds.
Indeed. I'm confused just trying to imagine what that title is supposed to mean. "Wii" was a terrible name as well, but the pun at least made a little bit of sense. What is "Vita"? Is it supposed to be short for "Vital", as in "It is Vital that we make money off this damn thing?" :-\
Title: Re: PSP2 - It's coming and it's called Next Generation Portable (NGP)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2011, 03:08:35 PM
Well it turns out that Vita was the codename before we knew it to be NGP http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/psp2-could-be-announced-at-the-end-of-the-month/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/psp2-could-be-announced-at-the-end-of-the-month/)
and then there is this bit of info http://www.who.is/whois/playstationvita.com/ (http://www.who.is/whois/playstationvita.com/)
The same company owns both sites and the 2nd one is to the Offical PlayStation Website. PlaystionVita.com was registered back in in April
So it could be that the previous code name is infact going to be the final name and the pics above are from some E3 pamphlet, or that the pics above are from some documentation circulated months ago at a trade show of some sort (CES?).
But we only have about 9 days left to know for sure... (actually closer to 8 for Sony conference).
edit: RipTen also backs the name http://www.ripten.com/2011/05/29/uncharted-golden-abyss-coming-to-the-playstation-vita-brycew/ (http://www.ripten.com/2011/05/29/uncharted-golden-abyss-coming-to-the-playstation-vita-brycew/) one upped with the subtitle to the PSVita's version of Uncharted: Golden Abyss
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 29, 2011, 04:15:57 PM
It should have been named PS Pita and it should have been designed like a Pita bread.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2011, 05:59:58 PM
I hope it's not the actual name. The more I think about it, the worse that sounds.
Not to worry. We're probably all going to call it the PSV anyway.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2011, 10:50:34 PM
Who is ready to agree with Michael Pachter?
Game Informer writer says:
Quote from: http://twitter.com/#!/GI_AndyMc
@GI_AndyMc Andy McNamara Btw. I don't think the Sony Vita is rumor. I've been working on the story for a while and I was short one source to feel solid on it.
Vita. Means "new life" in some language I don't speak, likely what Sony is selling
Presume they want it pronounced Vee-ta. But E3 will tell us more.
@michaelpachter Michael Pachter If @GI_AndyMc is right and they pronounce it "Vee-ta", it is truly the dumbest name ever. Sounds like a vegetable-flavored energy drink
To which GI writer replied
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@GI_AndyMc Andy McNamara @michaelpachter yeah the bad names just keep coming. And I'm bracing myself for what Nintendo will reveal as I'm pretty sure Wii is gone.
I just pray that Sony marketing doesn't have Ricky Martin re-record "living la 'vita' loca" as some "clever" play on words for the montage.
Horrible name and possibly a horrible musical ad campaign incoming.
It's gonna be great and I can't wait.... about 7.5 days till the festivities begin ;D
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2011, 10:58:46 PM
Yeah, it's a pretty crummy name. It won't matter if Vita has at least one piece of software that really resonates with consumers. I still think Wii sounds just as bad. That didn't stop me from buying one near launch (2 weeks after). Wii had Wii Sports which basically sold it for 2 years straight. Twilight Princess certainly didn't hurt. I'm not confident that Sony will have it at or near launch and that includes Uncharted.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: oohhboy on May 30, 2011, 05:36:49 AM
If they pronounce Veeta in Japanese it sounds like Beta.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2011, 11:57:11 AM
Looks like it's all but confirmed for the actual name, http://vita.scedev.net/ (http://vita.scedev.net/)
But http://ngp.scedev.net/index.php (http://ngp.scedev.net/index.php) also works.
http://psp2.scedev.net/index.php (http://psp2.scedev.net/index.php) does not.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 30, 2011, 12:03:18 PM
They should have kept NGP.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Ian Sane on May 30, 2011, 12:15:48 PM
Did anyone honestly think they were going to call it "Next Generation Portable"?
Vita is a dumb name. Do you know what else are dumb names? Wii and Xbox 360 and their dumb names had no effect on their sales. After the Wii's success I think any name can cut it unless it was on outright swear word or was called the "Hitler" or something like that.
Surprisingly the world is not as shallow as we all thought and will gladly buy a videogame system with a silly name if they want the games for it.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Shaymin on May 30, 2011, 04:24:26 PM
It'll probably get shortened to "PSV" and do surprisingly well in the Netherlands (at least among soccer/futbol fans). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSV_Eindhoven)
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Stogi on May 30, 2011, 06:37:48 PM
PSV sounds like an STD.
Doctor: The tests came back positive for PSV. I'm sorry. Patient: Are your sure doctor?! Doctor: We ran the test four times to confirm. It's treatable, but you'll have some hardships ahead. Mainly the battery. It's going to die often. Patient: This can't be happening...This is a nightmare. *Random sound of a woman crying* Doctor: We'll have to start your medication right away. Give me your wallet. Thanks. First things first, I'll have to rape it. You can watch, but it's going hurt you more than it hurts me, unless you have a razor blade hidden away in here. Patient: I don't. Doctor: Good. Very...good. Are these your kids? Patient: Ye...yes. Doctor: They're beautiful. And you might want to get them tested.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2011, 06:55:34 PM
LOL
The ending... just leaves the worst to the imagination.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 02:53:18 PM
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: ShyGuy on June 02, 2011, 08:09:44 PM
So I saw the screenshots out there, they look good for a Vita Game lolololol
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 02, 2011, 10:57:17 PM
Instead of Vita it should have been named Vito, in honor of Don Vito Corleone from the Godfather. Then it could make gamers an offer they can't refuse.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2011, 12:59:12 AM
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: MaryJane on June 03, 2011, 07:07:11 AM
3 videos of the NGP in action here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/sony-ngp-soaks-up-the-pre-e3-glitz-in-official-demo-videos/
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: oohhboy on June 03, 2011, 09:14:38 AM
Wipeout cross platform play is neat while interesting, it also ties the handheld to being a console port machine, not something to aspire to be.
Unchartered looks pretty nice, but screams waggle. Yeah, you got less buttons, but what happened to the concept of context sensitive buttions, because they are, well context sensitive?
The third video to a game I have no idea the name of annoys me for some reason. As unmusical as I maybe, even I know when something isn't music. I can't believe the guy spent 4 years making that.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Razorkid on June 04, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
I am now invested in picking this up when it comes out. What pushed me firmly into the "definite buy" crowd is having (mostly) all the psp library available and upscaled day one.
Between this and my 3DS, my gaming is going to be mostly done on handhelds going forward. I still love my consoles and PC, but i spend more time away from them than with them.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2011, 11:54:37 AM
Project Café should be right up your alley, unless you don't game at home at all.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: ShyGuy on June 04, 2011, 02:01:46 PM
Project Café should be right up your alley, unless you don't game at home at all.
Oh, I am definitely getting Cafe' Day 1. I still game at home, but I find that:
A) There are fewer games on the consoles that interest me at all at the moment. I've been pretty good about playing every Wii and PS3 game (currently playing LA Noire) that I've cared about thats been released. Other than a few older Wii titles that I want to pick up, I have no real pressing need to spend every free gaming minute on the console. This is good because...
B) I have a GIGANTIC PC backlog of more compelling games to get through (currently playing Dragon Age 2 and Portal 2 ). So when I DO have time to game at home, PC is usually the winner. But all that is moot because...
C) I have my most free time when I'm at work. In between assignments I have a lot of free time, and handhelds fill those time frames quite nicely. Between my career change, getting married and having a kid, I've discovered that I've come to rely on my handheld for gaming than my home setups.
With that said, NGP will NOT be a Day 1. But I will definitely be buying one next year.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Razorkid on June 06, 2011, 10:03:23 PM
OMG!!!!! $249.99??!!!?!! OMG!!!!!
Day one now. Sony just threw down the gauntlet on the handheld front and I for one am gonna welcome the new found competition. Nintendo's got no choice but to stay on their A game with the 3DS and us handheld consumers are gonna benefit the most.
I love being a handheld gamer!
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2011, 10:13:08 PM
Sony definitely sold me on it at that price point. I'll be able to port over my digital PSP games, I'll finally have a second analog stick, and there's going to be some connectivity with PS3 games. The games list is pretty good so far as well. I'm particularly intrigued by there being an exclusive Bioshock game.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: AV on June 06, 2011, 10:23:48 PM
My guess is Nintendo is going to hold on tight to $250 until the month before PS Vita releases and boom it becomes $200 instantly.
Now I'm thinking if PS Vita games are going to cost the same as 3DS with $40 or more around $50?
I wonder if Sony investors are screaming at them because they are probably bleeding money off the price.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Kwolf on June 06, 2011, 10:26:56 PM
I bought an original psp day one it came out, just like I did with the original ds. Enjoyed both systems. I can honestly say at the 250 dollar price point. Sony has pretty much secured I will be picking up a vita day one.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 10:30:58 PM
My guess is Nintendo is going to hold on tight to $250 until the month before PS Vita releases and boom it becomes $200 instantly.
Possibly. They might not have to though. They could just launch Mario on the same day and dominate Vita.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Razorkid on June 06, 2011, 10:40:32 PM
The handheld gaming front has gotten deliciously interesting. I'm happy with my 3DS and will be happy with my Vita (that backlog of psp games I've never played is godly!)
Best case scenario I see is if we have a classic Snes vs. Genesis situation in handheld form where each company throws out their best and dukes it out for the best software and hardware implementation. I'm glad Sony is FINALLY being competetive on the handheld front (in my eyes) because I know Nintendo will rise to the challenge.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 10:54:24 PM
yeah, competition is good.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: oohhboy on June 06, 2011, 10:57:49 PM
I am not sure whether Sony could survie that level of competitiveness. They barely survived this generation after bleeding out the blood earned from 2 pervious generations. Nintendo could blow Sony's knees off at anytime regarding handhelds. Nintendo has a lot of space to trade for any Sony attack.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: NeoStar9X on June 06, 2011, 11:01:40 PM
My guess is Nintendo is going to hold on tight to $250 until the month before PS Vita releases and boom it becomes $200 instantly.
Possibly. They might not have to though. They could just launch Mario on the same day and dominate Vita.
Nah. They're going have to drop the price. It's easy to see which is more powerful when directly comparing the two's graphics. 3D I don't think will be that big of a deciding factor unless developers start really making it apart of their game design and start making a big deal of it. Nintendo will have to drop the price and have a number of solid games out on the system. Both have to happen.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Halbred on June 06, 2011, 11:04:38 PM
Wow, $250? That's...stunning. I might actually buy one at that price, though I'm going to need to see more than Uncharted to me excited for it.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: ShyGuy on June 06, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
I don't know if they have to drop the price. Nintendo has till Christmas to launch this generation's Nintendogs or Brain Training. Sure, in the modern world of smart phones it will be a tougher sell, but I always bet on Duke. I mean, Nintendo.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: FZeroBoyo on June 06, 2011, 11:06:54 PM
Given that price tag, I'm actually somewhat interested. If not for the Vita software at launch, but to catch up on some PSP games I wanted to play.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: NeoStar9X on June 06, 2011, 11:28:52 PM
Hopefully there are some good games I'm interested in. Would love to be a two hand held and one console (Nintendo) gamer going forward. That would fit my gaming time better. So I'm actually happy bout the price. Puts more pressure on Nintendo which is always a good thing.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Ymeegod on June 06, 2011, 11:38:01 PM
Think Sony smelled blood in the water because that's an insane price point. I really wished they redesigned the analog sticks (nubs) though.
Going get the 3G one for $299.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 07, 2011, 12:38:23 AM
Now Nintendo has even more reason to drop the price of the 3DS, and the sooner they do that the better. They could wait until the last minute like Adolph Vega said, but that would be a very poor use of their early market advantage. What good is being the first on the market if you don't make major gains between launch and when the competition shows up? So Nintendo needs to gain as much market share now while there is no competition, because if they don't then the Vita may catch up or (god forbid) even surpass it.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 01:02:03 AM
Now Nintendo has even more reason to drop the price of the 3DS, and the sooner they do that the better.
This is just plain wrong.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 02:15:20 AM
Well my argument has been thrown right out the window... Vita is being sold for a loss and not expected to make a profit for 3 years... http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-national/sony-to-sell-playstation-vita-for-a-loss-profitable-3yrs (http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-national/sony-to-sell-playstation-vita-for-a-loss-profitable-3yrs)
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Sony’s PlayStation Vita is making headlines worldwide due to the system’s visual prowess and impressive lineup of launch titles. Cramming so much horsepower into this little package was certainly a costly investment for Sony, but the company shocked the world when they revealed that the Vita will retail for $249.99 (Wifi only)/$299.99(3G/Wifi AT&T Service Contract Required) for North America. This cheap price will come at a cost for Sony, however.
In an interview with Reuters Japan, Sony’s Kaz Hirai stated that Sony aims to make a profit on the PlayStation Vita in three years. Sony often sells their hardware at a lost, so this isn’t anything new for the company as they sold the PlayStation at a lost despite the $600 price tag. Out of the three home-console manufacturers, Nintendo is usually the only company to make a profit on hardware right away due to their conservative nature of building their hardware.
3DS is still over priced though.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: ShyGuy on June 08, 2011, 02:55:49 AM
Sony had to go big or go home.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Stogi on June 08, 2011, 03:03:14 AM
I really really love Sony. I do. The only company I know that is willing to take a hit for their customers.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 11:17:09 AM
I just don't see how they can afford to do it.... the share holders must be sold easy on big promises.
They've lost almost every cent of gaming profit from the last previous decade over the last 5 years, mostly from just spending over $250 per bluray drive & over $200 per Cell in every PS3 @ launch and taking a HUGE loss per unit. taking a loss on PSP. PSN problems costing them as much as it has made at this point with all the controversy and lack security.
And here they are breaking open the piggy bank once again with Vita and probably soon enough with PS4. I just don't know how this company is gonna continue to operate at a loss (in most departments) to still be around to take make back those losses after profits start again in 2014. But if they want to keep making tech cheaper for everyone else to use, them more power to them. It's not my money they are losing.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 08, 2011, 11:56:59 AM
Sony really lucked out, because thanks to the Wii-U everyone has completely stopped ridiculing the "Vita" name.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Stogi on June 08, 2011, 12:03:48 PM
PSV still sounds like an STD though...
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 08, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: oohhboy on June 08, 2011, 01:13:12 PM
WiiU WiiU WiiU sounds like a Wambulance, big deal.
I do wonder how Sony can keep bleeding itself like this. Their balance sheet must look shocking right now.
Title: Re: PSP2 (codename NGP) - Is now called PlayStation Vita (PS Vita)?
Post by: ShyGuy on June 08, 2011, 01:29:59 PM
Is Sony making it big in movies or TVs right now to subsidize these huge losses?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 01:39:09 PM
no.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 08, 2011, 01:53:56 PM
At least they won the format war against HD-DVD and are collecting licensing fees from blu-ray.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 02:00:57 PM
The funny thing is that they have to split those royalties with the rest of the Bluray Association and Sony sees change (as in cents and in $0.XX) per disc & drive sold. And that was ontop of them eating more than $250 per drive at launch.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 08, 2011, 02:53:02 PM
But a few cents multiplied by hundreds of millions of units is still a lot. Well, maybe not, but its something anyway.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
But a few cents multiplied by hundreds of millions of units is still a lot. Well, maybe not, but its something anyway.
Yeah... something in this case doesn't quite make up for the loss suffered to acquire it.
$250 x 10million = 2,500,000,000 vs $0.30 x 300million = 90,000,000 ----------------------------------------- Difference of *drumroll* -2,410,000,000
and I was being generous on the software side of things (Movies and Games). Of course sony didn't lose $250 on the drives for a whole year (I don't think), but they were rumored to have been losing between an average of $100 - $300 each system sold for till the Slim was released. That's a lot of money lost to not make much of it back very quickly.
Title: PSV -> PS3 just like Wuu?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 03:47:13 PM
It was mentioned how here how Wuu would probably lead to some more support for PSVita --> PS3/4 connectivity (I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one to mention it)
there is even a dev mentioning it here: http://www.develop-online.net/news/37930/Yoshida-Wii-U-will-inspire-Vita-experiments (http://www.develop-online.net/news/37930/Yoshida-Wii-U-will-inspire-Vita-experiments)
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SCE Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida is interested in Nintendo's recently announced Wii U, and says it will likely inspire PS Vita developers to carry out experiments with the newly named Sony handheld.
"It is very interesting the ways that Nintendo went with Wii U, and I was surprised it wasn't exactly as it had been rumoured," Yoshida told Develop at E3.
"Already people are starting to ask about linking Vita and PS3 to do something similar, in terms of using two screens, and having controls on the screen.
"That's very interesting, and we will have to experiment," he added, before suggesting that such work was already, to a certain extent, underway.
but who would be copying who in this case?
(http://i55.tinypic.com/1tkkqt.jpg)
Obviously Nintendo has the better and cheaper implementation of connectivity, but Sony's PSV will hit the market first.
Nintendo's will have 0 lag when using the controller with the screen in game PSV will probably not be quite so quick.. but then again it processes it's own video on the PSV
Nintendo allows you to take the game from your TV and instantly switch it to the controller and continue playing. PSV allow you to save your game, then load it on the PS3 version (or vice versa). This requires you to own 2 versions of the game
But Nintendo's version doesn't allow you to take that handheld controller with you wherever you go PSV is a true portable. self contained and does all of it's own processing.
A uScreen controller will likely cost $60-$80 a PSV will cost $250-$300
Now it's true that Nintendo experimented with connectivity first, but Sony has been the only one pushing it as of late (PSP-->PS3). Nintendo didn't attempt it at all with DS-->Wii and there has been no mention of 3DS -->Wii either. Funny enough, there has been mention of Wuu-->3DS though, which is funny because uScreen + (3D)TV is basically a 3DS(XL) already.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on June 08, 2011, 03:52:50 PM
Sony has a lot of that Tech already built. Remote play being a big portion of that. It really wouldn't be hard but its a GCN->GBA minus the Cable situation all over again.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: ThePerm on June 08, 2011, 04:26:49 PM
id really love to find some old GBA/GCN connectivity photos. Man I used to be the most amazing media collector....thank you google for making me lazy
also hard not to find images without IGN watermarks, and also sad Matt Cassamasina is gone from IGN because i know he would finally be happy...have to look for his blog.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2011, 04:54:30 AM
Apparently Vita is Region Free http://psp.ign.com/articles/117/1174783p1.html
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In a PlayStation Vita session for European and Australian press at E3 today, Michael Denny, Sony's Vice President of Sony Worldwide Studios Europe, confirmed that - to the best of his knowledge - Vita would be region free.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on June 09, 2011, 10:51:24 AM
Apparently Vita is Region Free http://psp.ign.com/articles/117/1174783p1.html
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In a PlayStation Vita session for European and Australian press at E3 today, Michael Denny, Sony's Vice President of Sony Worldwide Studios Europe, confirmed that - to the best of his knowledge - Vita would be region free.
Well that's a kick in the pants to Nintendo.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2011, 04:10:37 PM
PS Vita FAQ http://us.playstation.com/support/answer/index.htm?a_id=2254
some things of note: battery is not removable proprietary storage not defined They didn't rule out a 3D revision can't be used as a phone no bluetooth internet access or accessories UMD transfer could be a future option No video out option
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 09, 2011, 04:21:39 PM
PS Vita 3D (PSV3D) might be out in 2013 pick the rest of the 3DS's bones clean.
But what about the 3DS revisions? Nintendo might have one or two up their sleeves between now and then.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2011, 08:37:27 PM
To replace the battery, you'd probably have to send it to Sony like Apple does with everything they sell that has a rechargable battery.
Does anyone really think Nintendo is actually in trouble? $250 isn't a mass market price for a portable game console. If it was, 3DS would be doing much better even with the dearth of games. If Sony releases 2 Uncharted games at the same time on different platforms, I can tell you which one is going to sell more. Nintendo doesn't have to drop the price of 3DS and it's still going to outperform Vita this holiday season. Once Vita starts rolling, announce a revision and drop the price.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: blackfootsteps on June 10, 2011, 12:41:24 AM
Apparently Vita is Region Free http://psp.ign.com/articles/117/1174783p1.html
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In a PlayStation Vita session for European and Australian press at E3 today, Michael Denny, Sony's Vice President of Sony Worldwide Studios Europe, confirmed that - to the best of his knowledge - Vita would be region free.
Well that's a kick in the pants to Nintendo.
It should be a wakeup call. Great work, Sony. It extends to the treatment of Europe and Australia. We're like a desert outpost, such is the disdain from Nintendo. Copy Sony for once: region free games, region locked online store. It can't be that hard. Oh and try to release games day and date worldwide, an act of which Sony and MS seem capable. Don't blame the European languages, here's a hint, get those translations done in parallel with the Japanese to English work.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 10, 2011, 02:30:27 PM
To replace the battery, you'd probably have to send it to Sony like Apple does with everything they sell that has a rechargable battery.
Does anyone really think Nintendo is actually in trouble? $250 isn't a mass market price for a portable game console. If it was, 3DS would be doing much better even with the dearth of games. If Sony releases 2 Uncharted games at the same time on different platforms, I can tell you which one is going to sell more. Nintendo doesn't have to drop the price of 3DS and it's still going to outperform Vita this holiday season. Once Vita starts rolling, announce a revision and drop the price.
To be fair DS was released at 150 and didn't sell very well for several months either. So one could argue that 150 wasn't mass market and was overpriced.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on June 10, 2011, 03:41:21 PM
Nintendo battled shortages and the lack of compelling software. It's best game was a port of Super Mario 64 which oddly enough still trumps 3DS'sesses dearth of titles. For early adopters, $150 is an easier pill to swallow than $250.
And I disagree. $150 is absolutely a mass market price because DS, particularly Lite, sold very well at that price for years. I believe that was cheaper than the original Gameboy's price of entry. DSi/XL sold reasonably well at sub-$200. Every other handheld that sold above that, including and especially PSP, didn't perform that well at that price point.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Razorkid on June 10, 2011, 06:53:18 PM
Nintendo battled shortages and the lack of compelling software. It's best game was a port of Super Mario 64 which oddly enough still trumps 3DS'sesses dearth of titles. For early adopters, $150 is an easier pill to swallow than $250.
Thats some mighty hyperbole going on there. Everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but I would argue that the 3DS' launch line up was way better than the DS'. I never bought a DS until a year later when substantially better software was available (and a better looking and functional unit was available in the Lite). Contrast that to now where I bought a 3DS at launch with 5 (!) launch titles that I've enjoyed and has kept the system in play for me (without even dipping into my DS backlog) and I would say you are overstating your quote just a bit.
To me, if given the choice between one port of a 3D Mario game controlled with a d-pad or several solid titles in various genres, I'm going to skip that Mario game. But that's just me.
Anyway, PSVita day one! And I'm not even interested in any of the possible launch games they displayed at E3...it's that mega backlog of games I'm eyeing on the PSP....
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
I'm pretty sure it isn't backwards compatible at this point and time. Plus, it has no built in flash memory anymore, so you won't be able to get digital downloads of PSP games.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on June 10, 2011, 07:01:40 PM
Anyone who thinks the 3DS launch was on par or weaker then the DS didn't get a DS at launch. The 3DS could have only launched for the first month with SSFIV and Pilotwings, it would still blow the DS launch out of the water.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Razorkid on June 10, 2011, 07:36:27 PM
I'm pretty sure it isn't backwards compatible at this point and time. Plus, it has no built in flash memory anymore, so you won't be able to get digital downloads of PSP games.
It's been confirmed that the PS Vita will be able to play all the digital back log of the PSP, which is fantastic! There are many games for that system that I wanted to play (various jrpgs, fighters, and original titles) but didn't think the price and lack of support for the system justified me getting one when I already gamed heavily on my DS. Now that the PS Vita has been announced and will cost me the same as my 3DS, I am going to fill my time building up an ungodly catalog of PSP games that I'll never be able to finish ;D .
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2011, 08:19:43 PM
How the balls will the digital backlog of games to stored? On memory sticks? Because without the built-in memory, you'll probbaly be only able to fit a few games on it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Razorkid on June 10, 2011, 08:36:41 PM
How the balls will the digital backlog of games to stored? On memory sticks? Because without the built-in memory, you'll probbaly be only able to fit a few games on it.
The PS Vita will have proprietary memory sticks (think Sony branded SD cards) that range from 8gigs-32gigs. PSP games run anywhere from 100mb to 1.5gigs. So depending on the size of the game and memory card you purchase, your mileage will vary. Of course, this is how it's pretty much been with the psp. I personally don't have a problem buying a (probably overpriced) 32gig card and filling it with up to a max of 20 1.5 gig psp games. It would be preferable if the system had internal flash or allowed for the use of SDHC SD cards, but their solution is more than adequate for my backlogging tastes when it finally does come out.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2011, 08:56:03 PM
It would be preferable if the system had internal flash or allowed for the use of SDHC SD cards, but their solution is more than adequate for my backlogging tastes when it finally does come out.
You say that now, but we haven't seen how much those proprietary cards are gonna cost yet. They could easily be 2-3X the cost of the same size SD card.
Where an 8GB SD card would've costed you about $10-15, a 8GB PSV Card might cost the same as a game ($30-$45).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Razorkid on June 10, 2011, 09:07:51 PM
It would be preferable if the system had internal flash or allowed for the use of SDHC SD cards, but their solution is more than adequate for my backlogging tastes when it finally does come out.
You say that now, but we haven't seen how much those proprietary cards are gonna cost yet. They could easily be 2-3X the cost of the same size SD card.
Where an 8GB SD card would've costed you about $10-15, a 8GB PSV Card might cost the same as a game ($30-$45).
Oh, I'm well aware of that and can almost gaurantee that the memory cards are going to be priced through the nose. But what I wanted to illustrate was that in lieu of an internal storage solution, having up to 20 of the biggest psp games stored on their highest capacity card is better than nothing at all. It certainly trumps carrying around those umds as well.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: ymeegod on June 11, 2011, 03:03:00 AM
"Nintendo didn't attempt it at all with DS-->Wii "
Actually there was one--Final Fantasy Echoes of Time. Couldn't find anyone to play with me but it allowed you to play ds/wii together in a room.
$250 is a start off price and it really isn't all that high. PSP launched in the US at $250 and has sold around 70 million to date. The demand determines the price. Alot of folks are jumping the gun on the 3DS. Sure it's not selling right now but wait until the holidays.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2011, 01:53:40 PM
PSV Flash Cards (http://i.imgur.com/1cwX5.jpg)
4GB, 8GB, 16GB & 32GB
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Razorkid on June 11, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
I can't tell all that well from the angle of the shot, but they look to be the size of a regular-ass SD card.
Also, why did they feel the need to label the cleaning cloth?
Its a proprietary cleaning cloth. The system is designed to scratch when you use any other.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 18, 2011, 04:47:00 AM
PS Vita NOT Being Sold For A Loss? Atleast it won't be a significant one if one at all.... http://ie.psp.ign.com/articles/117/1177042p1.html
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Yoshida: At the very start of this project a bunch of us core members went to Japan and spent a day discussing what it is that we wanted to achieve with the new PlayStation portable device. One of the goals was to hit the right price point, which was actually $250. So at the very beginning we agreed that we're going to hit $250. But during that time we were still recovering from the difficultly we had with the high cost of goods with PlayStation 3 where the company lost a lot of money. We asked consumers to spend a lot of money to purchase what, at that time, was bleeding-edge technology. That was great from a technical standpoint but the technology has to mature enough so that a reasonable price can be put on the performance.
For Vita, the price on performance was something we definitely wanted to hit, although we all agreed because we are PlayStation, people expect better graphics and prettier pictures, so we have all those things we wanted to achieve in terms of capabilities, but we capped our ambitions with a cost of goods target that we can profitably sell the hardware for $250.
To answer your question, we set out a goal: Yes, we're going to hit the $250 price, and no, we don't want to sell the hardware with a deficit. That's a goal we set out to do and I'm very happy we are achieving that.
IGN: So you're going to be profitable with each Vita sold?
Yoshida: We haven't completed the hardware development. It's like 98-percent done in terms of hardware, and on the system software side and network code, we have a few more months to work on that. We don't have the final-final answer to that question, but the way we are projecting it seems like we're going to do pretty well.
Good on Sony if they can sell that at break even or close to. Everyone assumed Sony would be taking a big loss but I think I was the only one to assume that maybe they weren't. But this statement does conflict with the previous one of PSVita being profitable in 3 years.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2011, 11:36:10 AM
Samsung is making the chips for PS Vita they also make chips for iPhone 4 & iPad 2 http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/07/29/samsung_vita_cpu/
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Samsung will be manufacturing the CPU for the PlayStation Vita, according to a blurb that appeared at the website for electronics industry newspaper The Semiconductor Industry News. The CPU will make use of a 45 nanometer manufacturing process.
Vita is due for release somewhere in the world before the end of the year. Current popular speculation has the system launching first in Japan, where its predecessor, the PSP, enjoys continued success.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 02, 2011, 01:32:22 PM
Sony: Use Vita as a PS3 controller Sony all up in Nintendo's Kool-Aid again, but I'm not sure they know the flavor this time around. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-02-sony-use-vita-as-a-ps3-controller (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-02-sony-use-vita-as-a-ps3-controller)
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You could use PlayStation Vita as a controller for PS3 games, Sony has revealed.
This Wii U-like capability was explained by Sony Europe R&D manager Phil Rogers at the Develop Conference 2011.
"What could you do with all of this?" Rogers asked a room of developers and Eurogamer. "Here's a few boring technical ideas: you could drive a display from a PS3 game, for example.
"PS3 can send data down to Vita and Vita can display it. You could use the unique features [of Vita] - gyroscope, touch front and back - as a control device for a PS3 game.
"You can run software on both devices and use the network to sync the game states. And that's pretty good, because you then have the processing power of PS3 doing that work, Vita [doing] fancy graphics - however you want to do it. You're not sacrificing the PS3's CPU to be able to have a rich experience on Vita."
What about the lag Sony? You didn't forget about the lag did you? Is the Vita doing the processing of that video or is the PS3? Cost... are you gonna need 2 pieces of software to make that work? Is there gonna be a PS3/Vita software and/or hardware bundle?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 02, 2011, 02:43:22 PM
Is the Vita doing the processing of that video or is the PS3?
The article says that the PS3 is processing the video.
and then they said:
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because you then have the processing power of PS3 doing that work, Vita [doing] fancy graphics - however you want to do it. You're not sacrificing the PS3's CPU to be able to have a rich experience on Vita.
So does the PS3 process the video or does the Vita process the video? Do they both process the video? They didn't make that part very clear.
And Sony had already announced this to attempt to rain on Nintendo's WiiU parade, but the question of lag still comes to mind.... not to mention cost. Sony did remote play on the PSP and there was horrible lag. It also wasn't very supported because a PSP doesn't come with every PS3, so every dev can't count on a PSP or PS3 owner to own the other device, nor can they count on them to go out and buy the other device just to use said feature.
All things I referenced in my previous post.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2011, 03:11:08 PM
It be a matter of choice. You could do it either way. Sort of like how DS games have single and multicart Multiplayer.
I wouldn't worry to much about lag on a LAN situation. Shouldn't be an issue with good code.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on August 02, 2011, 04:27:20 PM
Using Vita to mimic the tablet controller doesn't work for the same reason using 3DS in place of the tablet controller doesn't work. It's too expensive and the systems weren't designed with this functionality in mind. That said, I don't see this being a very successful solution. It seems like more of a marketing tactic. "Anything Wii U can do, PS3 can do..."
3rd parties are more likely to take advantage of the tablet controller because every Wii U owner is guaranteed to own one. It's the point of the system, not side feature.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2011, 04:32:15 PM
Using Vita to mimic the tablet controller doesn't work for the same reason using 3DS in place of the tablet controller doesn't work. It's too expensive and the systems weren't designed with this functionality in mind. That said, I don't see this being a very successful solution. It seems like more of a marketing tactic. "Anything Wii U can do, PS3 can do..."
3rd parties are more likely to take advantage of the tablet controller because every Wii U owner is guaranteed to own one. It's the point of the system, not side feature.
I would extend that to any accessory. Though we've had this conversation before. If its not part of the default packaged then don't consider it part of the system for all intents and purposes.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 02, 2011, 04:49:36 PM
I don't think this is big news, the PS3 already had something sorta like this with the PSP (though only a handful of games did it).
This idea has been attempted many times but its never taken off. The GC-GBA connectivity was the first attempt (that I'm aware of), and only a few games supported that. Then there is the Wii-DS connectivity which I think even fewer games support. So I'm not very optimistic it will work this time around, or any time soon. The main problem is it requires consumers to own two distinct pieces of hardware, and at $299.99 and $249.99 that's an expensive prospect... not to mention the games themselves.
The reason why this sort of thing has a shot of working on the Wii U is that all the necessary hardware will come with the system's purchase by default so everyone who owns it will have everything needed. That's why the Wii U will succeed in this connectivity thing where everyone else has failed.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 02, 2011, 05:53:25 PM
Dreamcast to VMU was first.
Playstation to PS Pocket was next (rushed to market copy of the VMU).
[was there a N64 to GB game? I an't remember if they tried connectivity there]
Nintendo was next with the GC to GBA
Sony followed up with PS3 to PSP
[was there a Wii to DS in here somewhere? I've never seen a connected game for the two systems, seems like a missed opportunity]
Nintendo announces WiiU and WiiU to 3DS
But Sony will likely beat them to market with PS3 to Vita even though WiiU will likely work much better since that is what it is designed to do.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 02, 2011, 05:58:41 PM
I don't think you could count the VMU as you couldn't use it as a controller. It was little more than a memory card which let you play very simple games when you took it out of the controller. Same with the PocketStation. GameCube-Game Boy Advance was the first to actually let you use it as a controller.
Wii only has done it once AFAIK. Pokemon Battle Revolution let you use a DS as a controller. I am sure Wii U will do the same with 3DS, though I also hope more games will do it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2011, 06:08:57 PM
Batman the Brave and the Bold also has DS Wii Connection.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 02, 2011, 06:14:38 PM
I was just listing out the evolution of the idea
but depending on how you want to look at it, you could point at the Sega Nomad. It's not the same idea, but you can see the evolution happening to get where we are now. The tech just wasn't there 20 years ago, and it wasn't cheap enough 5 years ago, but we will have it next year.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on August 02, 2011, 06:40:31 PM
[was there a N64 to GB game? I an't remember if they tried connectivity there]is what it is designed to do.
Yes, there was. There was Pokemon Stadium on N64, where you could hook your Blue/Red/Yellow Pokemon GB games into the N64 transfer pak and play them on your TV. I think Pokemon Stadium 2 had this feature as well, and both allowed you to transfer your Pokemon from the GB cart to the N64 games.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 02, 2011, 07:43:57 PM
There was also the Super Gameboy thing which let you play GB games on your SNES. But that probably doesn't count for what we're talking about.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Mop it up on August 02, 2011, 10:55:49 PM
[was there a Wii to DS in here somewhere? I've never seen a connected game for the two systems, seems like a missed opportunity]
With Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time, the Wii version can play local multiplayer with the DS version, connecting up to three DS systems. It also has online play and can connect to any combination of four Wii and DS systems.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 04, 2011, 05:55:36 PM
Sony has confirmed that the PlayStation Vita will not be coming out in North America and Europe until 2012: http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sonys-ps-vita-not-coming-to-us-or-europe-until-2012/
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2011, 06:07:56 PM
.....and then the 3DS exhaled.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on August 04, 2011, 08:17:37 PM
Sony has confirmed that the PlayStation Vita will not be coming out in North America and Europe until 2012: http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sonys-ps-vita-not-coming-to-us-or-europe-until-2012/ (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sonys-ps-vita-not-coming-to-us-or-europe-until-2012/)
Good. This means the 3DS will have the holiday season all to itself, and when you combine that with the price cut and the release of high profile games I smell another money printing about to begin...
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 05, 2011, 01:22:37 AM
I wonder if Nintendo will regret the price drop, or at least the severity of it, now that they're going to go through the holiday season unopposed.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 05, 2011, 01:25:21 AM
I don't think they had the PSV in mind with the price drop itself, the system need a big drop since it had yet to even break the 1 million mark in North America yet and was not doing well elsewhere either (except in Japan). I will admit that they may have considered dropping it just to $200 though.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on August 05, 2011, 01:27:13 AM
I don't mind the Vita being delayed. I have plenty to play on my PSP right now, and all my would-be Vita was looking to be by the time it launched was a more comfortable way to play my PSP games. This delay may hurt Sony in the short run due to Nintendo being unopposed on the handheld side this Christmas, but if it means the Vita actually launches with a good launch lineup (something Nintendo completely bungled with the 3DS) it should pay-off in the long-run.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 05, 2011, 01:32:18 AM
I don't think they had the PSV in mind with the price drop itself, the system need a big drop since it had yet to even break the 1 million mark in North America yet and was not doing well elsewhere either (except in Japan). I will admit that they may have considered dropping it just to $200 though.
I don't think the Vita played any real role in the price drop either, but they might have had a different outlook on what to do if they'd known they'd have the rest of the year all to themselves. Like you said, I think $199 would have been much more of a possibility in their eyes in that event.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2011, 01:34:35 AM
Analyst says: "Sony is under major pressure to cut the price of the Vita or risk a major failure." Sony responds: the company [Sony] won’t engage in a price war with Nintendo. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-04/sony-under-pressure-to-cut-playstation-vita-price-after-nintendo.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-04/sony-under-pressure-to-cut-playstation-vita-price-after-nintendo.html)
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“PS Vita’s quite expensive,” said Takeda, 36, an event planner in Tokyo, who owns both a PlayStation Portable and Nintendo Co. DS handheld machine. “I don’t think I’ll be one of those people rushing to buy it on the release date.”
Takeda helps illustrate why pressure is building on Sony to cut prices of its newest game machine after Nintendo slashed the cost of its new 3-D portable player to as low as $169 and as more gamers flock to Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s iPhone and iPad to play titles such as Rovio Mobile Oy’s “Angry Birds.”
Kazuo Hirai, Sony Chairman Howard Stringer’s top lieutenant, signaled yesterday the company won’t engage in a price war with Nintendo.
“Gamers are increasingly anticipating Sony to lower prices, especially after the 3DS cut,” said Hideki Yasuda, a Tokyo-based analyst at Ace Securities Co. “Sony is under major pressure to cut the price of the Vita or risk a major failure.”
U.S. consumers will be able to lay their hands on PlayStation Vita, the successor for the model that went on sale in 2004, after Christmas, starting at $249 to $299 for a 3G version. Japanese consumers will be able to buy the Vita, which feature an organic light-emitting diode display and touchpads at the back, by the end of this year from 24,980 yen ($313) to 29,980 yen.
“We have a very good product at a very affordable price,” Hirai, president of Sony’s Consumer & Products Services group, said. “There’s no need to lower the price just because somebody else that happens to be in the video game industry decided they were going to.”
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 05, 2011, 01:37:15 AM
Analysts putting the 3DS on the same side of that equation as Apple, going against the "expensive" Vita. So far so good for that price drop.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 05, 2011, 01:41:14 AM
Analyst says: "Sony is under major pressure to cut the price of the Vita or risk a major failure."
It deserves to fail because of the stupid name they gave it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 05, 2011, 01:45:40 AM
I laugh at Bloomberg calling the Nintendo DS "Nintendo Co. DS".
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2011, 01:57:01 AM
Sony supposedly already cut features to match the 3DS in price.
They are supposedly also not taking much of a loss if any at all because of it.
Now that the $250 price point is not an even playing ground, anyone think that maybe they put some onboard memory back in or up the RAM again?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on August 05, 2011, 09:47:48 AM
They will if developers ask for it though I'm not sure it's going to happen. Sony may double the RAM in a revision. Every version after the original 1000 model had 64MB of RAM so that's a possibility.
Anyway, I think Nintendo was smart to drop the price as low as $170 as opposed to $200. It has nothing to do with Vita. Nintendo's bread and butter has always been publishing games, but they need to sell the hardware first. The lower the price of the box, the more attractive the product. I wouldn't have bought a 3DS even for the free games if the price was $200. I recall saying I'd break and get one at $180 and Nintendo dropped the price even lower. I debated it over a few days, but that hefty price drop sealed the deal.
Vita is in an odd position. Sony hasn't convinced me that I don't already own one. They keep talking about how it can play the same games as PS3. That's a technological boner but I'm not going to buy new hardware to play the same games on a smaller screen. Nintendo may have sweet talked me with free NES/GBA games but the main reason I bought it was for 3DS games. Right now, as far as I'm concerned, I already own a Vita and unless Sony convinces me otherwise, I'm not going to buy another one just so I can play it in the bathroom.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 05, 2011, 10:37:33 AM
Maybe Nintendo could have dropped the 3DS price to $200 and bundled a game with it? That might have been a better way for them to go than to drop the price to $169.99 with no bundled game. Another thing they could have done is sent a voucher to those who paid $250 so they could pick up the bundled game for free in addition to or instead of the free downloads.
But whats done is done and Nintendo isn't going to change it now.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on August 15, 2011, 01:35:21 AM
According to this, Sony's losing 5000 yen for each Japanese Vita sold so if you do the match the actual cost of the Vista is around $380 (24980 + 5000 = $380).
So yeah, Sony's still selling at a loss.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 15, 2011, 01:39:56 AM
$390, even worse. But where did you hear that they are losing 5,000 yen?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on August 15, 2011, 01:48:54 AM
NM--just read an followup article and it states "an Nikko Securities analyst, Kazaharu Miura of SMBC Nikko Securities" and not an official Sony rep like the title in the article led me to believe.
Analysts are fine but that's like a weatherman--they're not at all realiable.
Title: PS Vita = 640MB RAM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 16, 2011, 10:09:40 PM
Vita Specs Confirmed 512MB Sys RAM + 128MB VRAM = 640MB Total Ram http://www.sys-con.com/node/1947549 (http://www.sys-con.com/node/1947549)
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Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today announced that it will introduce dedicated applications for Facebook, foursquare, Skype(TM) and Twitter to PlayStation®Vita (PS Vita) which will launch in Japan by the end of 2011, followed by the U.S. and Europe early next year.
Platform Name PlayStation(R)Vita Model number PCH-1000 series CPU ARM(R) Cortex(TM)-A9 core (4 core) GPU SGX543MP4+ External Approx. 182.0 x 18.6 x 83.5mm (width x height x depth) Dimensions (tentative, excludes largest projection) 5 inches (16:9), 960 x 544, Approx. 16 million colors, Screen OLED ------ ------------------------------------------------------ (Touch screen) Multi touch screen (capacitive type) -------------- ------------------------------------ Main memory 512MB ----------- ----- VRAM 128MB ---- ----- Rear touch pad Multi touch pad (capacitive type) Cameras Front camera, Rear camera Frame rate : 120fps@320x240(QVGA), 60fps@640x480(VGA) Resolution : Up to 640x480(VGA) Sound Built-in stereo speakers Built-in microphone Six-axis motion sensing system (three-axis gyroscope, three-axis accelerometer), Three-axis electronic Sensors compass ------- ------------------------------------------------------ Location Built-in GPS (3G/Wi-Fi model only) -------- ---------------------------------- Wi-Fi location service support ------------------------------
Keys / Switches PS button --------------- Power button Directional buttons (Up/Down/Right/Left) Action buttons (Triangle, Circle, Cross, Square) Shoulder buttons (Right/Left) Right stick, Left stick START button, SELECT button Volume buttons (+/-) Wireless communications Mobile network connectivity (3G/Wi-Fi model only) IEEE 802.11b/g/n (n = 1x1)(Wi-Fi) (Infrastructure mode/Ad-hoc mode) Bluetooth(R) 2.1+EDR (A2DP/AVRCP/HSP) ----------------------------------- Slots/Ports PlayStation(R)Vita card slot ----------- -------------------------- Memory card slot ---------------- SIM card slot (3G/Wi-Fi model only) ----------------------------------- Multi-use port (for USB data communication, DC IN, Audio (Stereo Out /Mono In), Serial data communication), --------------------------------------------------- Headset jack (Stereo mini jack) (for Audio (Stereo Out /Mono In)) ---------- Accessory port -------------- Power Built-In Lithium-ion Battery, ----- ----------------------------- AC adaptor ---------- Supported Music --------- ----- -- MP3 MPEG-1/2 Audio Layer 3, MP4 (MPEG-4 AAC), AV content WAVE (Linear PCM) ---------- ------------------------------------------------- format Videos ------ ------ -- MPEG-4 Simple Profile (AAC), H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High/Main/Baseline Profile (AAC) -------------------------------- Photos ------ -- JPEG (Exif 2.2.1), TIFF, BMP, GIF, PNG -----------------------------------------
Oh yeah, and something about Twitter, Facebook, foursquare & Skype
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on August 17, 2011, 01:26:46 AM
That is an awful lot of RAM and pretty much overkill compared to how anemic the screen is in comparison. That thing is a real monster and it encompasses almost everything. It's like they formed a committee which sai "Can we throw it in?" and every time the engineer said yes, they did it regardless of cost or any other factor besides "If it's cool hip thing, do it".
That is the PS3 of handhelds and it's going to be expensive. I wonder how much Sony loses on each one?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 17, 2011, 01:31:29 AM
PS Vita NOT Being Sold For A Loss? Atleast it won't be a significant one if one at all.... http://ie.psp.ign.com/articles/117/1177042p1.html
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Yoshida: we capped our ambitions with a cost of goods target that we can profitably sell the hardware for $250.
To answer your question, we set out a goal: Yes, we're going to hit the $250 price, and no, we don't want to sell the hardware with a deficit. That's a goal we set out to do and I'm very happy we are achieving that.
IGN: So you're going to be profitable with each Vita sold?
Yoshida: We haven't completed the hardware development. It's like 98-percent done in terms of hardware, and on the system software side and network code, we have a few more months to work on that. We don't have the final-final answer to that question, but the way we are projecting it seems like we're going to do pretty well.
not much if anything at all.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 17, 2011, 09:23:09 AM
$250 may be their target and they may reach that target, but the 3DS sold very poorly at that price so how likely is it that the Vita will do any better?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on August 17, 2011, 01:11:23 PM
$250 may be their target and they may reach that target, but the 3DS sold very poorly at that price so how likely is it that the Vita will do any better?
The Big Question is: Will there be a new Exclusive Monster Hunter when it launches?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 17, 2011, 01:41:59 PM
$250 may be their target and they may reach that target, but the 3DS sold very poorly at that price so how likely is it that the Vita will do any better?
The Big Question is: Will there be a new Exclusive Monster Hunter when it launches?
For Nintendo's sake I really hope it won't be a Vita exclusive. If it is it will guarantee millions of units sold in Japan. Won't have much effect in other regions, though.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on August 17, 2011, 07:41:40 PM
$250 may be their target and they may reach that target, but the 3DS sold very poorly at that price so how likely is it that the Vita will do any better?
The Big Question is: Will there be a new Exclusive Monster Hunter when it launches?
For Nintendo's sake I really hope it won't be a Vita exclusive. If it is it will guarantee millions of units sold in Japan. Won't have much effect in other regions, though.
That be better then the 3DS.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 17, 2011, 07:56:14 PM
It would be a better fit on the 3DS.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on August 17, 2011, 07:59:17 PM
If by that you mean they could just port MHP3 to the 3DS, control scheme and all, that's frighteningly accurate.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 17, 2011, 08:17:27 PM
I can see Capcom releasing the same exact game on both the 3DS and PSV, especially since the series has never been the most graphically intense series and most PSV games have not impressed me.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: SixthAngel on August 17, 2011, 11:12:25 PM
The Big Question is: Will there be a new Exclusive Monster Hunter when it launches?
Not a chance it will be there on the launch date. Launches are the time to release new ideas and games to give them attention, unless you care about pushing the system. Better to release a guaranteed seller like MH after the thing has actually sold some.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Razorkid on August 19, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
Does anyone know how much ram the 3DS has? I'm curious on what to expect from the system in comparison to the 3DS OS wise.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 19, 2011, 11:46:02 PM
Not confirmed by Nintendo, but all the reports says the 3DS has 128 MB of RAM.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Razorkid on August 20, 2011, 10:51:28 AM
Anyone have a prediction about how the 3G subscription for the Vita will be priced? Also, I wonder if there will be a contract.
It will have a contract option but, I think it will be pay as you go.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
How does a pay as you go plan work for 3G data? If the answer's obvious, I apologize. The newest cellphone I got is from 2003.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 25, 2011, 03:36:47 PM
Apple is one for the iPad. You can choose to activate it for a month, then de-activate it. They describe it as something like going on a trip somewhere that won't have Wi-Fi, so you can pay for a month of 3G (I think it's $14.99 a month for 250MB or $29.99 for unlimited).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 03:46:10 PM
If that's the case, then I'd consider getting a 3G version (Off topic, but does Apple have a pay as you go plan for the iPhone?)
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 25, 2011, 03:49:50 PM
Nope, not in the US at least. In the US you have to have a contract plan with AT&T or Verizon Wireless.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: blackfootsteps on August 29, 2011, 10:45:05 PM
It's still early and so the verdict is still out on what that game is, but from the screens I saw, it looks like a remake of the Wii game. The town looks to have the same layout as the one in the Wii game, and the cow enemy shown is also from it. I also really don't like the new art style, it doesn't just remove the uniqueness of the Wii game's style but also makes the king look like a teenager, which is just wrong.
But it may be a good thing I don't like the way that it looks, because I definitely am not getting a PSPita.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2011, 08:40:08 PM
I also really don't like the new art style, it doesn't just remove the uniqueness of the Wii game's style but also makes the king look like a teenager, which is just wrong.
Its funny you say that because I always thought the King being a little kid was wrong because of how he gets married and all that...
It was also wrong having multiple wives, but that's a different topic.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 30, 2011, 09:28:34 PM
That's kind of the point, though. Part of the charm of the game is how messed up it all is.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on August 31, 2011, 11:02:58 AM
That's kind of the point, though. Part of the charm of the game is how messed up it all is.
Yeah but that's also the reason why the original game bombed. Little King Story is a game where it's gameplay and content is ment for an older audiences, but the artstyle makes it looks like it's aimed at young children. As a result, most of the people the game was suppose to appeal to thought it was some kind of kids game and ignored it.
Now I agree the original artstyle gave the game more charm and made it look more unique, but the new artstyle fits better at actually appealing to the audience the game is aimed at.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: noname2200 on August 31, 2011, 12:40:02 PM
That's kind of the point, though. Part of the charm of the game is how messed up it all is.
Yeah but that's also the reason why the original game bombed. Little King Story is a game where it's gameplay and content is ment for an older audiences, but the artstyle makes it looks like it's aimed at young children. As a result, most of the people the game was suppose to appeal to thought it was some kind of kids game and ignored it.
Now I agree the original artstyle gave the game more charm and made it look more unique, but the new artstyle fits better at actually appealing to the audience the game is aimed at.
I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree. I finally had a chance to check out the screenshots (and I agree with Mop that it seems to be more of a remake than a sequel) and hear some more details about the revamped plot, and it seems less like this game is targeted at the people who the original LKS was meant for and more like it's going for the Japanese anime audience. I don't intend that as a put-down, mind you.
Admittedly it's quite early, and details are scarce, but just by aging up the king (can we really call it "Little" King's Story anymore?) and inserting an Evil Villain To Vanquish it's clear that the theme is entirely different from the original's. I'm less excited now than before, but I still intend to keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2011, 08:17:08 AM
According to the internetz (specifically Kotaku), Sony announced Vita's battery life: 3 to 5 hours. Also, that's with default screen brightness, no Bluetooth, no network play (I'm assuming this means no WiFi and 3G), and using headphones.
/FACEPALM
Leave it to Sony to give numbers in only the most vanilla of experiences. No surprises here, really. Real world numbers would probably drop battery life under 1.5 to 2 hours and let's be honest, that's downright insulting for what is supposedly a portable.
I'm a little curious what the **** the point of this thing is. Once again, Sony overstepped the limits of technology. It's not portable anymore because it'll spend most of it's time tethered to a wall. This doesn't make 3DS'sesses battery life acceptable; just less embarrassing.
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Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2011, 10:05:01 AM
Yeah, Lets say you get the 5 hours in normal gameplay scenario. I can easily get that on my 3DS going full tilt. You guys seen how much Netflix I've streamed on it so you know I'm good for the numbers.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2011, 11:02:11 AM
I don't see any point in owning a Vita, unless its a homebrew friendly system likes its predecessor. All the Vita is is a portable PS3, basically. I'm sure 90% of the "exclusive" Vita games will eventually find their way ported over to either the PS3 or PS4. That's certainly how it has been with the PSP anyway. I've seen quite a number of games that were originally exclusive to the PSP get ported over to the PS3 and with HD graphics and stuff, so the PS3 ended up getting a better version so why play it on the PSP at all other than for the portability? If the Vita is like that too then you might as well pass on it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
The Vita seems to have more control options then the PS3 does in any one configuration.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2011, 11:21:54 AM
I love buying new hardware but Vita is a pass for me, at least until the 2nd revision when they hopefully fix that atrocious battery life. Even then, as I've said before, I feel like I already own a Vita, it just comes in a larger box and connects to my tv via HDMI.
Sony announced 26 launch games (some aren't actually games) and over 100 games being worked on by 3rd parties. Most of the notable ones are coming to PS3 or most likely will. I'd bet on the HD versions of MGS and FFX. In fact, I believe Square Enix already announced that FFX is also coming to PS3. I have no reason to buy new hardware to play these games especially when they're coming to PS3 and I can play them anyway and more comfortably.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2011, 11:39:38 AM
The Vita is going to have a tough time because it doesn't have the benefit of BC with UMD. DS games work with the 3DS without a problem, but you can't say the same for PSP games on the Vita. Not that anyone really bought PSP games anyway, but still...
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2011, 11:49:10 AM
I don't think backwards compatibility is really an issue. The problem is that most Vita games are available on better, cheaper systems and I'm not sure portability is a real selling point since many of those games are console games and people would rather play it on a tv. Sony is going to have a hard time convincing people otherwise especially if Vita "exclusives" find their way onto PS3/PS4.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2011, 12:09:41 PM
I don't think backwards compatibility is really an issue. The problem is that most Vita games are available on better, cheaper systems and I'm not sure portability is a real selling point since many of those games are console games and people would rather play it on a tv. Sony is going to have a hard time convincing people otherwise especially if Vita "exclusives" find their way onto PS3/PS4.
The conference made it sound like there be a lot of games where the PS3 version be for Vita and the PS3. Like getting the Blu-ray of a movie that comes with the Digital and DVD copy.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2011, 12:50:32 PM
And those versions cost extra. F that noise.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2011, 01:10:58 PM
I believe Sony's new handheld should be called the Portstation Vita.
I saw mostly ports and remakes from Sony's conference.It was sad.
Just following the Handheld Leader... Oh Wait...
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2011, 02:23:25 PM
I think you're missing my point. I don't care how much more extra is costs. I care THAT it costs extra. I imagine the game bundle will cost more because Vita cards just cost more to manufacture. If companies insist on packaging them together and charging more, I'll wait until it goes on sale. Unless I can get something for the price I'm comfortable paying, I'm okay not giving a company my money. I don't want to pay a premium for something I don't want (Vita version).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2011, 02:40:25 PM
Ok, so I just looked at the Vita battery stats and it's 3-5 hours, if your offline, no 3G/Wifi, default screen brightness, headphones, no bluetooth and a non-system taxing game.
So chances are that if you turn on any of those things, while playing a pretty intense game, it could take you longer to charge the unit (2hr40min) that it will for you to completely drain it. And that is with a battery that is almost 1000 mAh more than the 3DS (1300 mAh).
That means that in a realistic play setting while on the go, you are looking at anywhere from 1.5hrs to 3.5hrs of Vita usage between full charges.
edit: And then on top of that, the memory card isn't included (in Japan so far) and cost alot more than a standard SD card.
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Memory card 4GB December 17, 2011 ¥2,200 ($29) Memory card 8GB December 17, 2011 ¥3,200 ($42) Memory card 16GB December 17, 2011 ¥5,500 ($72) Memory card 32GB December 17, 2011 ¥9,500 ($124)
Considering that 2200 yen for a 4GB card is close to $30 US dollars, where you can get a 4GB SD card for $5-$10, I'm not sure how well that is gonna go over.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2011, 03:15:08 PM
I think it has a good store of internal memory but, I haven't seen the stats recently.
I think you're missing my point. I don't care how much more extra is costs. I care THAT it costs extra. I imagine the game bundle will cost more because Vita cards just cost more to manufacture. If companies insist on packaging them together and charging more, I'll wait until it goes on sale. Unless I can get something for the price I'm comfortable paying, I'm okay not giving a company my money. I don't want to pay a premium for something I don't want (Vita version).
lol. You haven't been watching the PSP scene have you? PSP Go says high. They wouldn't pack in a Vita card. It be a digital transfer from your PS3. Heck you can even buy new PS3 games digitally now. Monster Hunter Portable 3rd <whatever the vita version is> has been said to be a digital download. Another point is that Sony more then likely will not charge a cent more for it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2011, 03:31:14 PM
Okay, assuming that's the case, that still doesn't give me a reason to buy a Vita in the first place. I'm not going to spend $250 to play a game I can already play on a system I already own. That's not even counting all the memory sticks I'd need to save all of those downloads. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to playing my PS3.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2011, 03:32:14 PM
There is no internal Memory on the PSVita
game saves are most of the time stored directly to the game card, but some games require an additional memcard for saving.
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<Reference: About Saving Game’s Saved Data> Some PS Vita software titles may require the use of separately sold memory card for saving game’s saved data while some software titles are capable of saving it on to the PS Vita card itself. Please refer to the PS Vita game packages or game manuals for further details.
PSN downloads require a Mem card for saving.
So if you plan on using your PSN account on your Vita, then you are gonna be paying at minimum $280 (wifi + 4GB) or $330 (3G+4GB) + $27 for data contract fee (=$357) and then anywhere from $17mo(20 hr pre-paid) or $65mo(100hr pre-paid) to continue that contract after the first month. and as much as $425 (3G + 32GB)+ wireless plan ($27 contract fee) = $452
and you haven't even bought a game yet....[/quote]
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on September 14, 2011, 03:58:06 PM
game saves are most of the time stored directly to the game card, but some games require an additional memcard for saving.
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<Reference: About Saving Game’s Saved Data> Some PS Vita software titles may require the use of separately sold memory card for saving game’s saved data while some software titles are capable of saving it on to the PS Vita card itself. Please refer to the PS Vita game packages or game manuals for further details.
PSN downloads require a Mem card for saving.
So if you plan on using your PSN account on your Vita, then you are gonna be paying at minimum $280 (wifi + 4GB) or $330 (3G+4GB) + $27 for data contract fee (=$357) and then anywhere from $17mo(20 hr pre-paid) or $65mo(100hr pre-paid) to continue that contract after the first month. and as much as $425 (3G + 32GB)+ wireless plan ($27 contract fee) = $452
and you haven't even bought a game yet....
[/quote] The original specs had 16gigs of internal memory. Doesn't really makes much sense for them to got with there own format of memory card again and want to hit the download side of things. Either way Sony really aren't setting themselves up for success with this system. At least its suppose to have 100 launch window games and 26 day one.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2011, 04:25:09 PM
26 pieces of launch software, I'm not sure if all of them are games.
and that 16GB internal got removed when they cut the RAM down when they decided to try and match the 3DS price. The RAM was put back, but the internal mem stayed scrapped infavor of proprietary mem cards only.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2011, 04:46:49 PM
They should have just let people use SD cards or something. Once again Sony invents another dead end proprietary media format which isn't going to go anywhere just like UMD and a dozen other things. The funny thing about UMD was it stood for "Universal Media Disc", but Universal how? Only one device ever used it. Its almost laughable.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on September 14, 2011, 05:08:35 PM
I beat BlackNMild2k1 to news twice in this thread alone. Everything is coming up Milhouse!
Adrock: 2, BnM: 6854298751
CLOSING THE GAP!
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2011, 05:29:28 PM
I saw it when you posted it too, but I didn't really read what it was all about until I was fully awake.
I was kinda hopeful for Vita, but those mem card prices are quite steep. I'm sure that the general public won't mind (see Xbox HDD, controllers and wireless adapter prices), but I'm not even entertaining the thought of paying those prices (not that I was gonna buy a Vita anyway) when I know SD cards are a fraction of the price for the same capacity and probably similar speed.
I know Sony need to make up any potential losses from the initial Vita price, and you're kinda stuck after you already made the purchase and then realize you need an expensive mem card, but i thought we put those kinda things behind us already. I see PSN sales hurting due to expensive storage options.
I'm sure someone will have a Vita->SDmicro adapter that fits in that card slot soon after launch though. So that may be one way around it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 14, 2011, 07:07:26 PM
Wait, are they actually going with a proprietary Vita memory card format and not Memory Stick? Not that there's much practical difference for most people, but still.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on September 14, 2011, 07:13:48 PM
I bought a 16GB class 10 microSD for $25 (CANADIAN) last month, and Sony wants me to pay $70?
Ninja, plz. BnM better be right about the microSD adapter, because otherwise that investment is going to push me out of the Vita until a price drop on both the memory and the main unit. (My plan was to make up for the usual launch dreck by grabbing PSP stuff off PSN that would total 11.7 GB.)
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2011, 09:39:46 PM
I saw some pics of the cards and i'm not sure an adapter is even possible. The storage card its about the same size as an SD micro
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NeoStar9X on September 14, 2011, 10:39:21 PM
Last night was such a waste of time. Didn't even finish the presentation (which was pretty embarrassing at points) but from what I read today I didn't miss much at all. As a piece of tech the PS Vita is nice but I don't think I'll be getting one at launch or even near launch now. I do most of my handheld gaming at home but even for me the battery life is bad. The list of games already had nothing I was really that interested in and it's still that way.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2011, 11:17:03 PM
I saw some pics of the cards and i'm not sure an adapter is even possible. The storage card its about the same size as an SD micro
It would still be possible, it just would stick out a lot.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on September 15, 2011, 05:04:13 PM
Sony Delusions (http://andriasang.com/comy7r/) The article pretty much has Sony talking about how they don't see the 3DS as a direct competitor to the Vita.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 15, 2011, 05:09:51 PM
It also confirms that there's no plans for a Monster Hunter on Vita.
Japan's reaction could be summed up thusly: (╯°□°）╯︵ (::°[__]°+)
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Post by: Ceric on September 15, 2011, 05:12:01 PM
I really don't know why anyone would get this besides an uber PS3 Accessory.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 15, 2011, 05:34:44 PM
Sony Delusions (http://andriasang.com/comy7r/) The article pretty much has Sony talking about how they don't see the 3DS as a direct competitor to the Vita.
When I click on the link all I got was a poorly grammared Error message.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on September 15, 2011, 05:36:34 PM
Sony Delusions (http://andriasang.com/comy7r/) The article pretty much has Sony talking about how they don't see the 3DS as a direct competitor to the Vita.
When I click on the link all I got was a poorly grammared Error message.
Works for me but, its like the second item on the home page. Just go to the base site.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 15, 2011, 05:46:50 PM
try this instead http://andriasang.com/comy7r/ (http://andriasang.com/comy7r/)
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 15, 2011, 06:05:42 PM
try this instead http://andriasang.com/comy7r/ (http://andriasang.com/comy7r/)
Same thing. This is what I'm seeing either way:
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- ERROR -
It looks like something went wrong with you're request! Check the url to make sure it's entered correctly.
Click here to go back to the front page.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 15, 2011, 06:09:04 PM
It works for me now that I went to the main page and then clicked the story But it error'd on me first try too.
so go to the main page then click on this story "Sony Boss Talks Vita Sales Targets and Competition with 3DS and Smartphones"
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 15, 2011, 07:32:35 PM
Okay, I got it. Sony said the same thing about the Wii and the DS too if I'm not mistaken. I think its a standard business practice of theirs to say they aren't in competition which helps them save face when they end up getting mercilessly slaughtered by it which they probably will yet again.
I don't know about you guys, but after all of Sony's shenanigans I am going to make it a point never to buy another Sony product ever again out of principle. I suppose if they somehow managed to become the video game monopoly and if there was no other choice then I would have a difficult decision to make, but I don't think that will ever happen. We need to remember how Sony treats consumers and realize they don't deserve our business.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 15, 2011, 10:31:37 PM
To be fair, Nintendo never acknowledges that they have competitors either unless they're talking about how much they're beating them in terms of sales.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Morari on September 15, 2011, 10:48:37 PM
I suppose if they somehow managed to become the video game monopoly and if there was no other choice then I would have a difficult decision to make, but I don't think that will ever happen.
You'd just have to play PC games exclusively then. It's really not so bad, I promise. I'd even buy a couple of titles for you if it meant you swearing off of Sony. ;)
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 16, 2011, 02:50:35 AM
I'll swear off Sony....
what first on your gift list?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 16, 2011, 03:03:29 AM
PC software isn't the problem. Its actually cheaper than console software most of the time. The problem is PC hardware. I can't afford a $1,000 or $2,000 computer. The one I have isn't good enough for gaming purposes. I did look into upgrading it, though, but I can't because the motherboard doesn't have a PCI Express 2.0 slot so I can't install the latest graphic cards.
But as far as swearing off Sony goes, I think I've already done that... I don't plan on buying the Vita or PS4 or anything Sony ever makes ever again, but I already have a PS3 and hundreds of dollars worth of games for it so the damage there is already done and I'm not just going to throw it out, which wouldn't hurt Sony if I did anyway.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on September 16, 2011, 08:24:05 AM
I won't make any official claims to never buy Sony products ever again, but Sony is making it easy not to buy their future hardware. Vita, for me, is a total mess. I'm interested in ONE game (Uncharted) and it may find it's way to hardware I already own. No one knows jack about PS4 but if Nintendo can get some damn 3rd party support, I have no reason to buy another console and 1st party titles from the other 2 major players just don't really interest me. God of War IV isn't going to hack it unless Sony Santa Monica changes enough from God of War III and Ghost of Sparta to make it interesting again.
Of course, that's a big "if" and Nintendo would have to manage to not be total ****-ups. Wii U is looking promising and if it doesn't get the sweet, sweet 3rd party loving I desire, I'll be waiting a long time to invest in another console because I just don't play games enough to justify spending hundreds of dollars on what basically amounts to another Netflix streaming machine that plays games every so often.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Yuusha on September 16, 2011, 09:46:15 AM
I've been considering off and on getting a Ps3/Vita, but Sony's updated policy for PSN made my decision not to.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 16, 2011, 10:55:19 AM
PC software isn't the problem. Its actually cheaper than console software most of the time. The problem is PC hardware. I can't afford a $1,000 or $2,000 computer. The one I have isn't good enough for gaming purposes. I did look into upgrading it, though, but I can't because the motherboard doesn't have a PCI Express 2.0 slot so I can't install the latest graphic cards.
You are doing something wrong if you think you need to spend $1000-$2000 to game on a PC.
I spent a little over $800 about 2 years ago to build this computer from scratch and it games just fine. If I was only upgrading, I could have done it for alot closer to only $400 since I wouldn't need a case, monitor, m/kb, PSU or HDD's.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: noname2200 on September 16, 2011, 11:10:10 AM
PC software isn't the problem. Its actually cheaper than console software most of the time. The problem is PC hardware. I can't afford a $1,000 or $2,000 computer. The one I have isn't good enough for gaming purposes. I did look into upgrading it, though, but I can't because the motherboard doesn't have a PCI Express 2.0 slot so I can't install the latest graphic cards.
You are doing something wrong if you think you need to spend $1000-$2000 to game on a PC.
I spent a little over $800 about 2 years ago to build this computer from scratch and it games just fine. If I was only upgrading, I could have done it for alot closer to only $400 since I wouldn't need a case, monitor, m/kb, PSU or HDD's.
I agree. You can get some great deals on Motherboards/Graphics cards/Memory/processors (the usual bottlenecks, although you might need a power supply too) in a lot of places. If you live near a Fry's, keep your eyes on their sales. If not, newegg is a great resource. You should be able to get a computer that outperforms the HD consoles for about $250 (since you're just upgrading, and don't need a monitor/case etc.). If you want to "future proof" your computer, $400 or so should be more than enough.
I have to admit, the one advantage to the consolization of the PC market is that they make upgrading less frequent than it was during the late 90's/early 2000's. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at what you can get.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on September 16, 2011, 09:26:31 PM
"Power: Built-In Lithium-ion Battery: DC3.7V 2200mA, AC adaptor: DC 5V"
Lasts 3-5 hours for gameplay. :( Hopefully battery packs are available for this one as well. Sony has an official external one planned (price unannounced) but it's only 5K, I already have an 10K one but I'm going need somesort of adapter.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Morari on September 16, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
PC software isn't the problem. Its actually cheaper than console software most of the time. The problem is PC hardware. I can't afford a $1,000 or $2,000 computer. The one I have isn't good enough for gaming purposes. I did look into upgrading it, though, but I can't because the motherboard doesn't have a PCI Express 2.0 slot so I can't install the latest graphic cards.
$2,000 would be a pretty top tier computer anymore. You may be pleased to find out that can actually build a very serviceable gaming rig for under $800... maybe even less depending on your exact needs, and that's talking new from the ground up. I don't know exactly what you have to work with, but you may even be able to upgrade what you have. There are still some cards to be found that don't require PCI Express. Whether or not they would be an upgrade from what you currently have is up for you to decide.
Spending hundreds of dollars every few months, always chasing the promise of that high-end GPU, was a myth widely propagated throughout the 90s. That myth holds even less water nowadays as graphical demands have largely leveled off due to everything being ported back and forth between PCs and consoles. PC gaming really is a more financially responsible route to take. You already need to own a computer for everyday things, you might as well put your console budget toward it and let it cover your gaming needs as well. And when the next generation of consoles come out, all you have to do is upgrade a few components to keep up. ;)
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 16, 2011, 10:55:02 PM
This computer I have now is a "budget" thing I got back in late 2009 for about $299 or so. I knew it wasn't going to be up to the task of gaming, but I figured I could upgrade it to make it work, but it turns out the motherboard in it is from 2006 which was before the PCI Express 2.0 thing came out so it doesn't have those ports.
So obviously I need a new mother board which means it wouldn't be a simple upgrade, and I've upgraded a few minor things here and there over the years but nothing that drastic. If I were to purchase a new motherboard is it going to work in this same case? Or am I going to have to get a new case? What about the PSU? See, these are the things I never dealt with before so I don't really know. If it was something simply like plugging in a graphic card or popping in new RAM I can do that and I have done that, but I don't know about this.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Morari on September 16, 2011, 11:12:45 PM
You would have to ensure that the motherboard was the same form factor or smaller than that of the case (ATX, mini-ATX, etc). Just be careful going too much smaller, as higher-end video cards can sometimes stretch across an entire board and block access to things like SATA ports.
Tthe power supply would only need to meet the combined power draw of the system components while under stress. Primarily you should be concerned with the CPU and GPU, while taking things like the RAM and hard drive into account only after you've cleared the rest. If you pop the side of your case off, the power rating should be stamped right on the side of PSU. That will at least get you off to a good start as far as planning goes.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on September 16, 2011, 11:21:39 PM
It sounds like he is better off building a new computer rather than to salvage parts from the old. Convert the old to a media PC/file server and use the existing peripherals for the new. The moment to purchase a new motherboard, it will more than likely start a domino effect rendering a majority of the parts unusable from incompatibility or speed or power requirements.
Since it's a budget PC, the PSU is more than likely isn't up to task of powering a GFX card even if you had the slot. It would eventually burn out taking the whole computer with it. The PSU is the only thing you can't skim on besides the motherboard.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 16, 2011, 11:50:51 PM
This is what I have to work with. Do you have any recommendations for this? Or should I just start from scratch?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on September 16, 2011, 11:58:29 PM
Nothing against PC gaming for those that enjoy it, but it's just not my thing. I've had this laptop I'm currently on for 5 years now. I'd like to play StarCraft II (my current PC can't run it), but for the moment a new PC would be an absurd luxury. I'll just keep using this laptop until it finishes falling apart on me.
For me, the big draw to console gaming is that it's a standardized format. A PS3 game will have the same performance on any PS3 it runs on, and ditto for the other platforms. On the PC, though, performance can vary wildly from setup to setup, especially once you bring driver updates into the equation. Plus, there's just a tactile and comfortable feeling to using a controller that I don't get with a keyboard and mouse.
As for the Vita, it's looking like the handheld will have a strong lineup out of the gate, though there really hasn't been any one game announced for it yet that I wouldn't just rather play on my PS3. And the way that Sony's been going with the PSP, there's a fair chance some of the games I would play on it will be ported to the PS3 eventually (like Uncharted: Golden Abyss). Right now, it's looking like I'd mainly get a Vita just to play my PSP games on a platform with more comfortable controls and Dualshock 3 support, and that's just not enough.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2011, 12:36:52 AM
Nothing against PC gaming for those that enjoy it, but it's just not my thing. I've had this laptop I'm currently on for 5 years now. I'd like to play StarCraft II (my current PC can't run it), but for the moment a new PC would be an absurd luxury. I'll just keep using this laptop until it finishes falling apart on me.
For me, the big draw to console gaming is that it's a standardized format. A PS3 game will have the same performance on any PS3 it runs on, and ditto for the other platforms. On the PC, though, performance can vary wildly from setup to setup, especially once you bring driver updates into the equation. Plus, there's just a tactile and comfortable feeling to using a controller that I don't get with a keyboard and mouse.
As for the Vita, it's looking like the handheld will have a strong lineup out of the gate, though there really hasn't been any one game announced for it yet that I wouldn't just rather play on my PS3. And the way that Sony's been going with the PSP, there's a fair chance some of the games I would play on it will be ported to the PS3 eventually (like Uncharted: Golden Abyss). Right now, it's looking like I'd mainly get a Vita just to play my PSP games on a platform with more comfortable controls and Dualshock 3 support, and that's just not enough.
PC gaming has slowed down quite a big in regards to system requirements. My PC is 2 or 3 years old and it still holds up very well. Also nothing says you can't buy a controller for the PC, including an Xbox one for it. While I enjoy consoles, PC has a lot to offer too especially when it comes to the mod community, many games live through the community YEARS after they are released.
Anyway that is completely off topic. I doubt I'm buying a PS Vita, I wasn't a big fan of the PSP, and I see little reason to buy this one. My complaint about the PSP was that it felt like PS2 Mini, I am getting the same vibe here. Who knows though maybe down the line I will get one, but at the moment I am not that interested.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on September 17, 2011, 01:23:49 AM
That thing is the definition of "lowest bidder". You will never get that thing to play games besides farmville acceptably. Even if you found a card that would fit, the CPU is badly gimped, producing another nasty bottleneck. Even the RAM is slow. You can salvage the hard drive, but you're better off re-purposing the computer than to effectively scrape it by taking the HDD.
Start with a completely new computer.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 17, 2011, 01:38:04 AM
That's what I'm thinking, plus its good to have a backup computer or I can give this one to someone...
Yeah, I wasn't too smart when I bought this, but the computer I had before was from 2003 so this one was still a huge improvement in many respects. I mean, the 2003 computer came with a floppy drive for crying out loud.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on September 17, 2011, 03:07:33 AM
To Choro Ghost:
You can use an PCI 2.0 GPU graphic card in a 1.0 PCI Express slot without much difference (think you'll lose something like 2% difference). The big thing 2.0 changed was the ablilty for the slot to draw power from the Motherboard directly. Instead all you need is a healthy PSU with 6/8 pins adapters (my GPU uses two 6 pin and I have an 500 Volts with 18amps on two 12 volts rails).
So you can save yourself the hassle of getting a new MB unless you're going upgrade to SATA 6 and USB 3.0.
Man, has SSD drives gone down in price? Wouldn't mind an 100GB SSD for cheap :0 but I think I'll have better luck just trying those Hybrid drives?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2011, 03:14:38 AM
You guys should move teh PC building talk to here: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31386.0
or create another thread for it. I keep thinking there is new Vita news when there is not.
Chozo, I'm sure you could recreate the system I built with a better CPU & GPU for a better price than I did from. You have to look further into the thread for my final setup though.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Morari on September 17, 2011, 11:25:53 AM
I'm sorry Chozo, but I would have to agree with Oohhboy's assessment. You could probably finagle a few upgrades, but the effort and cost would not be worth the marginal performance increase you'd see. But like you said, it never hurts to have an extra PC around. Turn it into a media server or Linux box! :)
I just finally retired my gaming rig from 2001. I've been using it as a spare server for years now. A brown-out destroyed the power supply, motherboard, and probably CPU. I don't have to build an entirely new machine though. Instead I'm going to upgrade a few components on my main system and use the hand-me-downs to make up the majority of the new server. It's a good cycle, and one you get into after a few years. You'll always have machines to play with.
Plus, there's just a tactile and comfortable feeling to using a controller that I don't get with a keyboard and mouse.
I really don't understand that. A good mouse is practically an extensive of your arm. It doesn't feel like an in-between like a gamepad does. Still... I have two Xbox controllers and an arcade stick sitting right here next to me for use in the handful of games that don't work monumentally better with a mouse and keyboard. ;)
Plus, there's just a tactile and comfortable feeling to using a controller that I don't get with a keyboard and mouse.
I really don't understand that. A good mouse is practically an extensive of your arm. It doesn't feel like an in-between like a gamepad does. Still... I have two Xbox controllers and an arcade stick sitting right here next to me for use in the handful of games that don't work monumentally better with a mouse and keyboard. ;)
Different strokes, different folks. I didn't really do any PC gaming until around the GameCube years, since the PC got some games that the PS2 and Xbox got but the GCN didn't. I learned to game on consoles using controllers, and that's just what feels the most comfortable to me. Plus, I've had way more mice that just decided not to work for various reasons (stuck trackball, laser sensor malfunctioning, etc.) than I ever have had controllers break. I prefer the mouse for real-time strategy games (and P&C Adventure games, though those have become far more playable on consoles in recent years) since there is just no way that a controller can handle the amount of input needed for those kinds of games, but the controller works fine for everything else.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Morari on September 18, 2011, 10:22:13 AM
Plus, I've had way more mice that just decided not to work for various reasons (stuck trackball, laser sensor malfunctioning, etc.) than I ever have had controllers break.
Do you spend the same $40+ on mice that you do per console controller, though? ;)
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2011, 03:26:47 PM
This optical mouse I use is a mini sized thing probably about the size of what a real mouse is. It only has two buttons and is made by GE and I got it cheaply at Big Lots about 6-7 years ago. The rubber side cushion things have fell off and the silver paint is rubbed off over the years to expose the white plastic underneath. But it still works great except for the scroll wheel which I never really use anyway.
I spent <$10 for it and it still does its job. Its funny how cheap stuff is often more durable and longer lasting than the stuff that costs 4 or 5 times as much.
Title: Sony shows Class when GI baits Trash(talking)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2011, 02:53:22 AM
Sony shows Class when GI baits Trash(talking) Is it possible to applaud Shu Yoshida on this. +1 +1
Quote from: GameInformer interview with Sony's Shu Yoshida
GI: It’s suspicious that Nintendo is releasing a second circle pad attachment for the 3DS after gamers universally praised the Vita’s dual analog sticks. Can you talk about what looks like an attempt by Nintendo to keep up with Sony?
SY: Well it’s not like they looked at PS Vita and said “we need to do that as well.” I don’t know. It’s clear that they didn’t believe a second analog was necessary when they designed the 3DS, so I can only guess it was requested by Capcom’s side. Maybe a Capcom producer told Nintendo that to play Monster Hunter we need [two] analog sticks. That I don’t know, so I can only guesstimate. It was a bit shocking to see what they came up with.
GI: Touching on the 3DS again, it seems like Nintendo responded to the Vita’s low price tag by dropping the 3DS’ cost even lower. It appears to be a direct response from Nintendo. Is it exciting to see Nintendo, which has had a death grip on the handheld market, seemingly react to the Vita’s hype?
SY: I don’t personally believe that they dropped the price of the 3DS to respond to our pricing. We didn’t price PS Vita to their price, either. We had that plan since the last couple years. My personal guesstimate is that they have their business plan and goals to sell a certain amount of 3DS units, and they realized post-launch was that the pricing was not helping them to achieve the goal that they set. That’s my estimate. As far as if I’m excited, I’m not sure. If the 3DS sells like crazy and no one is interested in PS Vita, that’s a problem. There are lots of analysts talking about, “well, you know there are smart phones, there’s no need for dedicated portable game machines.” I don’t believe it. But if they point to certain performance of the 3DS and say the smartphone is here, it doesn’t help us either. I like to see healthy competition between Nintendo’s system and ours because it helps innovation. It’s always a good thing to have.
He also mentions lessons learned from PSP that [hopefully] won't be repeated wit Vita and mentions map-able buttons on a hardware level. http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/09/18/sony-s-shu-yoshida-talks-vita-psp-lessons-and-nintendo.aspx?PostPageIndex=2 (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/09/18/sony-s-shu-yoshida-talks-vita-psp-lessons-and-nintendo.aspx?PostPageIndex=2)
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In addition, because PS Vita has a much larger, nicer-looking screen, and the existence of dual analog sticks, we will provide from a system level that some games benefit using the right analog stick. Like FPS or third-person action-adventure games. We will provide options to remap the control from either face buttons or the action buttons to right analog stick. So the control would be much better on PS Vita.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on September 19, 2011, 10:06:30 AM
It's a hair bitchy, but pretty amusing, Sony had a boat ride from Hell at TGS (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/09/vita-hands-on-tokyo-game-show/).
While there is some cultural misunderstandings going on, but something is fucked up if a guy spends 3 days at your show and only gets 3 impressions out. In comparison, NWR with two unpaid guys managed 13 impressions.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2011, 11:32:55 AM
It's a hair bitchy, but pretty amusing, Sony had a boat ride from Hell at TGS (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/09/vita-hands-on-tokyo-game-show/).
While there is some cultural misunderstandings going on, but something is fucked up if a guy spends 3 days at your show and only gets 3 impressions out. In comparison, NWR with two unpaid guys managed 13 impressions.
Damn, that sux. But maybe he should have tried to show up just before doors open and not after an hour long line had already formed at the booth hoping to rely on press credentials that didn't even gain him any favor during the press only days and event.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on September 19, 2011, 01:10:39 PM
The guy did have a nasty run of bad luck. There was certainly a massive cluster **** of missed expectations, especially during that boat ride.
The Japanese more than likely viewed it as a Wine and Dine, **** the games cruise, not unlike the after work parties of which I have been to many. While a Westerner would have expected a boat load of Vitas, the Japanese no doubt saw the boat trip to nowhere as a success.
I have to say though, his expectations on the press only day was a little high, especially with the lines, but Sony America did **** him over with vague promises of access.
I would have enjoyed the boat ride since I always enjoy a good feed, but the guy is understandably cheesed off he had effectively achieved nothing during his 3 days there.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on September 22, 2011, 03:37:37 AM
Vita's memory prices are up--roughly $25 for 4GB card.
edit: And then on top of that, the memory card isn't included (in Japan so far) and cost alot more than a standard SD card.
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Memory card 4GB December 17, 2011 ¥2,200 ($29) Memory card 8GB December 17, 2011 ¥3,200 ($42) Memory card 16GB December 17, 2011 ¥5,500 ($72) Memory card 32GB December 17, 2011 ¥9,500 ($124)
Considering that 2200 yen for a 4GB card is close to $30 US dollars, where you can get a 4GB SD card for $5-$10, I'm not sure how well that is gonna go over.
too expensive, but people will pay it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: leroypantweather on September 22, 2011, 07:57:02 AM
32gb is too small that's what my PSP has now . and i can only assume that the games' file sizes are only going to increase. Has it been mentioned yet if this thing can keep more than one profile on it (like ps3) for managing regional accounts and what not????
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Stogi on September 22, 2011, 01:01:21 PM
That is way too expensive. Well it's way too expensive if you plan to buy games. I see the Vita becoming a hacker's delight.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2011, 03:10:21 PM
Looks like those EXPENSIVE Vita Mem Cards are gonna be a requirement to play SOME of the Vita games
Required Peripherals Famitsu says that a Memory Card is pretty much a requirement, as some games will require the card. Games that require a card can't even be booted up if you don't have one.
Games like Uncharted will require a Memory card to play meaning that the minimum cost (in Japan at least) till be ~$280 for the system +$40 for the game
You could end up spending double the amount of just a 3DS for a PSVita a MemCard and a game.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on October 26, 2011, 06:41:10 PM
And the firmware update that can fix this probably will be about 3 years and 70 revisions in.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 27, 2011, 08:33:58 PM
It can't be fixed with a firmware update; that would require a new version of the hardware with built-in storage.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: noname2200 on October 28, 2011, 12:33:13 PM
Ah Sony, so hellbent on making me not get a Vita. :(
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on October 30, 2011, 05:33:55 PM
Something really stupid yet funny: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "During a PS Vita Press Conference on Friday, Sony Computer Entertainment Taiwan announced the PS Vita will launch in Taiwan on December 23, at the conference SCET's new spokeswoman Rainie Yang, a well known celebrity in Taiwan, came out and spoke to the media. At the stage when asked about her favorite PlayStation game, Rainie claimed that her favorite is Nintendo's "Super Mario Bros" - a game that never appeared on PS platforms.
Her answer wowed the crowd at the press confernece, aware that something went wrong, she started posing to the media to divert the attention. However when she started holding the PS Vita on her hand, she held it upside down, and of course she wowed the media again with her reckless behavior! It seems she is either clueless on video games, or she hates Sony."
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2011, 10:19:41 AM
I would go with Clueless. Then I would flog whoever her Handlers where.
That was an obvious question and she should have known how to properly hold the product she was showcasing.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: noname2200 on November 01, 2011, 12:32:03 AM
I would go with Clueless. Then I would flog whoever her Handlers where.
That was an obvious question and she should have known how to properly hold the product she was showcasing.
She's clearly hacked her PSP and included an emulator on it. Don't be mad that she's in tune with the vast majority of PSP owners!
That's why they don't want you to have a Vita.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on November 11, 2011, 09:23:11 AM
Sony just announced "UMD Passport" for Vita where you can register your PSP UMDs and get a discount to download them on Vita. Prices average from $6 to $13 but are as high as $31. Source: Joystiq
This is exactly what it sounds like. Sony is charging for "backwards compatibility" and the discounted prices for the downloads are more than what most games currently cost at retail. One could download the free app which is unofficially named "The Consumer Anal Rape Initiative" within Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and repurchase all of those games or one can spend that money on more productive, non-anus violating ways (example: cupcakes). I think it's more likely that someone will hack Vita to do this without the hassle of repurchasing these games. I don't personally pirate games but I can certainly see why one would when Sony's alternative sucks so immensely. It's like they're encouraging hackers. If I ever even buy a Vita, I'd stick to playing my antiquated UMDs on my regular PSP.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on November 11, 2011, 09:31:21 AM
I don't know why you couldn't just use a PSP that you probably own if you have UMDs to just tell the Vita that you own the game so it can be registered.
This is silly. The more I hear about the Vita the more I keep thinking that it will nickle and dime me to death. Next they'll have a system where you have to pay a fee to play games online and it takes into account bandwidth usage.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 11, 2011, 09:32:44 AM
Sony just announced "UMD Passport" for Vita where you can register your PSP UMDs and get a discount to download them on Vita. Prices average from $6 to $13 but are as high as $31. Source: Joystiq
This is exactly what it sounds like. Sony is charging for "backwards compatibility" and the discounted prices for the downloads are more than what most games currently cost at retail. One could download the free app which is unofficially named "The Consumer Anal Rape Initiative" within Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. or one can spend that money on more productive, non-anus violating ways (example: cupcakes). I think it's more likely that someone will hack Vita to do this without the hassle of repurchasing these games. I don't personally pirate games but I can certainly see why one would when Sony's alternative sucks so immensely. It's like they're encouraging hackers. If i ever even buy a Vita, I'd stick to playing my antiquated UMDs on my regular PSP.
It's not a perfect solution, but considering the Vita flat-out can't play UMD discs I'll take a small fee for the two UMD games I have (which don't currently have a download version: Birth By Sleep and Valkyrie Profile) over not being able to play the games at all (which is the problem Sony introduced with the PSP Go and carried over to the Vita). All my other games are digital, so they'll transfer right over no problem. I wager that Sony's charging for the UMD transfer because of concerns about not seeing money from Used games, which is irritating to me as someone who bought these games new but I can understand why they're doing it.
Honestly, I'm far more concerned about the extortion that is Sony's ridiculous prices for their proprietary Vita memory sticks/cards.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 11, 2011, 09:34:32 AM
I don't know why you couldn't just use a PSP that you probably own if you have UMDs to just tell the Vita that you own the game so it can be registered.
As I understand this Passport system, that's pretty much how it already works. You download this program to your PSP, you stick your UMD into the PSP, and then you register it. Then you pay whatever fee on the Vita to download the registered game to the Vita.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on November 11, 2011, 09:35:31 AM
I don't know why you couldn't just use a PSP that you probably own if you have UMDs to just tell the Vita that you own the game so it can be registered.
As I understand this Passport system, that's pretty much how it already works. You download this program to your PSP, you stick your UMD into the PSP, and then you register it. Then you pay whatever fee on the Vita to download the registered game to the Vita.
That makes this make less sense.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Razorkid on November 11, 2011, 09:40:21 AM
I don't like the prices none, but I'll have to suck it up to transfer the few games that don't have digital releases. My position on the Vita is that I'm more excited to play a select back category of psp and psone classics on the go than I am about the new games coming out. I've never owned a psp, so my plan is to just purchase the UMD only games I want on the cheap and then transfer them later. With the Vita, I'll be able to finally enjoy all those released psp games while being able to take advantage of the newer generation without having to hassle around with troublesome hardware.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on November 11, 2011, 09:41:25 AM
If I own the UMD, why should I pay for the game again? That's the part I'm having trouble justifying. The game is in my possession so clearly I paid for it... unless I stole it which Sony can't prove anyway.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 11, 2011, 09:42:23 AM
I don't know why you couldn't just use a PSP that you probably own if you have UMDs to just tell the Vita that you own the game so it can be registered.
As I understand this Passport system, that's pretty much how it already works. You download this program to your PSP, you stick your UMD into the PSP, and then you register it. Then you pay whatever fee on the Vita to download the registered game to the Vita.
That makes this make less sense.
I think the reason Sony has this transfer fee in place is to keep people from stockpiling on Used UMD games (or people loaning their PSP games out to friends) and then just transferring them all to Vita without Sony ever seeing any money on those games. It's not a consumer-friendly practice (you don't see Nintendo of Microsoft trying to fight you playing old GameCube or Xbox games on Wii or 360) and I'm not fond of it, but I can understand why they're doing it.
Like I said, my irritation over this is tempered by the fact that I went out of my way to purchase my PSP games via digital download to make it easier to bring them over to Vita. With only 2 UMD games to transfer over (maybe 3 if I get Fate/Extra on UMD), it just won't affect me that much.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Razorkid on November 11, 2011, 09:48:34 AM
I don't know why you couldn't just use a PSP that you probably own if you have UMDs to just tell the Vita that you own the game so it can be registered.
As I understand this Passport system, that's pretty much how it already works. You download this program to your PSP, you stick your UMD into the PSP, and then you register it. Then you pay whatever fee on the Vita to download the registered game to the Vita.
Well that just puts a monkey wrench in my plans. So it doesn't work like Club Nintendo games where you just register the game online through a unique code? Oh well, I guess I won't be getting Megaman Powered Up :'(
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 11, 2011, 09:50:48 AM
I don't know why you couldn't just use a PSP that you probably own if you have UMDs to just tell the Vita that you own the game so it can be registered.
As I understand this Passport system, that's pretty much how it already works. You download this program to your PSP, you stick your UMD into the PSP, and then you register it. Then you pay whatever fee on the Vita to download the registered game to the Vita.
Well that just puts a monkey wrench in my plans. So it doesn't work like Club Nintendo games where you just register the game online through a unique code? Oh well, I guess I won't be getting Megaman Powered Up :'(
I believe MM Powered Up is on the Playstation Store, and I think it only costs like $10 or so. Or maybe I have that confused with that ugly-looking Mega Man X remake they did. You could just download the game, assuming you don't own the UMD already.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on November 11, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
I don't know why you couldn't just use a PSP that you probably own if you have UMDs to just tell the Vita that you own the game so it can be registered.
As I understand this Passport system, that's pretty much how it already works. You download this program to your PSP, you stick your UMD into the PSP, and then you register it. Then you pay whatever fee on the Vita to download the registered game to the Vita.
That makes this make less sense.
I think the reason Sony has this transfer fee in place is to keep people from stockpiling on Used UMD games (or people loaning their PSP games out to friends) and then just transferring them all to Vita without Sony ever seeing any money on those games. It's not a consumer-friendly practice (you don't see Nintendo of Microsoft trying to fight you playing old GameCube or Xbox games on Wii or 360) and I'm not fond of it, but I can understand why they're doing it.
Like I said, my irritation over this is tempered by the fact that I went out of my way to purchase my PSP games via digital download to make it easier to bring them over to Vita. With only 2 UMD games to transfer over (maybe 3 if I get Fate/Extra on UMD), it just won't affect me that much.
Youre Probably right.
MM Powered up is on PSN. Is it just for PSP?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 11, 2011, 09:57:39 AM
The thing that really bugs me about the Vita right now is how much of a lie Sony's much-hyped $250 price point is turning out to be. Considering you'll need a $100-$150 proprietary memory card to play downloaded games (including old PSP games, which you also have to pay for if you have them on UMD), as well as I'm sure even more necessary add-ons that Sony hasn't revealed yet, this is rapidly becoming an extremely expensive handheld. Right now, I don't know why you'd buy a Vita at launch, rather than wait for both the system and the memory cards to drop in price.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 11, 2011, 10:10:47 AM
Well, there might be one upside to all this. I was just reading Destructoid's article (http://www.destructoid.com/ps-vita-umd-passport-transfers-psp-games-for-a-price-215638.phtml) on this, and they make reference to the transferred PSP games having potentially new control options on the Vita. I'm not sure what that means for digitally-downloaded PSP games (since I'd really like to play Valkyria Chronicles 2 and Resistance Retribution on the Vita with a right analog stick for the camera), but it would be nice to have right analog stick camera support for Birth By Sleep. I assume the games have to be RE: Coded (sorry, couldn't resist) to allow support for extra buttons and sticks on the Vita, which might be where some of these costs are coming from.
The article also mentions filtering options in transferred games, but I have a feeling that's just part of the Vita's firmware. The PS3 has similar options for playing PS1 and PS2 games.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on November 11, 2011, 10:29:34 AM
Its easily a $350 handheld.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: noname2200 on November 11, 2011, 12:25:27 PM
Presumably they're doing it for the same reason airlines neglect to add in all their additional charges and fees; because it works.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on November 11, 2011, 12:47:20 PM
Except it's not going to work. The only reason PSP sold was because people were stealing games with relative ease. Vita is even more expensive thus less inviting even if/when it gets hacked. Sure, some people will buy one and may even pay for their rape but Vita is currently riding the Fail Train to Facepalmville. They're doing almost everything Nintendo did wrong with 3DS except worse.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on November 11, 2011, 07:09:36 PM
The only Mega Man game in the PSN store for PSP is Maverick Hunter (which is the X remake). Unless it's in the US store, in which case I'm probably going to hurt something/one.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 11, 2011, 08:38:50 PM
The easiest way to avoid getting "ass raped" by the Vita is just don't buy it at all. If you don't buy it then you can't get ass raped by it. Problem solved. 99% of the games on it are going to eventually be available on the PS3/PS4 anyway, so its not like you'd miss much, except for the portability.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 11, 2011, 09:46:07 PM
The portability is the huge thing, though, for Japan. Handhelds are much more popular than consoles in Japan, and I can see people there paying that markup to get that level of gaming in handheld form. Sony's problem is that Nintendo may have already beaten them by securing the third party support they have, like Resident Evil Revelations and especially Monster Hunter 4. The 3DS is really starting to take off over there, and Sony may be too late to stop that.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 11, 2011, 10:43:01 PM
Sure, some people will buy one and may even pay for their rape but Vita is currently riding the Fail Train to Facepalmville.
Yes, judging by your avatar, you would know a great deal about the raping of small things, wouldn't you? ;)
Honestly, it's getting a little tiresome seeing all the whining across the internet about this. When you bought these games on UMD, you bought games for your PSP. They were marketed as games for your PSP. They function as games for your PSP. All these companies that released UMD games didn't also sell you a contract guaranteeing that you would have a digital copy when the next handheld generation started. I can understand and appreciate the irritation at yet another hidden cost for the Vita, a device that's increasingly priced beyond what I think anyone will pay outside Japan. But keep in mind that if you don't want to pay to transfer your UMD games, they'll function just fine on the PSP you already own.
Sony can't just allow you to transfer all your old titles to the Vita for free. It would completely destroy the PSN's business model for selling digital downloads of PSP titles since suddenly anyone could just hook up a friend's UMD and turn $20 downloads into $0 downloads. Sony's still losing potential profit on this deal, as anyone who runs around and scoops up Used UMD games right now can save quite a bit of money they otherwise would be paying to Sony for PSN downloads. And it's not like you lose your UMD when you do this, as you can still sell the UMD to whoever you want afterwards. And if what Destructoid says is true, you're getting at least one new feature with these titles in terms of new control options with the Vita that have to be added back in the original code for each game. Plus, I have to wonder just how much of this is due to pressure from the companies who produced these UMD games, who have a lot of stake in selling these games on the PSN to new Vita owners and whose games Sony has no control over.
It sucks to have to pay for one more thing on a platform already full of hidden costs. It would be nice to just be able to put in a code and transfer it all over for free. I get that. It's nice to want things. But you were never promised forwards-compatibility when you bought these titles originally and they presumably still work on the platform they were built for. You don't have to have these games playable on Vita so if you don't want to pay for the service, don't. But let's not pretend that you have an infinite free ride to play your games on anything other than the platform they were made for.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on November 11, 2011, 11:14:37 PM
The easiest way to avoid getting "ass raped" by the Vita is just don't buy it at all. If you don't buy it then you can't get ass raped by it. Problem solved. 99% of the games on it are going to eventually be available on the PS3/PS4 anyway, so its not like you'd miss much, except for the portability.
Well, obviously. That's not even advice; that's just common sense. In fact, I've been saying all of that for months, in this very thread I believe. That's besides the point. I wasn't planning on buying a Vita and I know exactly why. However, I might buy one eventually if Sony would stop giving me reasons not to. Vita is a shitty deal and every time Sony says something new about it, they make it an even shittier deal. The battery life (or lack thereof), the proprietary memory cards and their prices, the list of 26 titles (some of which aren't even games), and now charging for backwards compatibility. Vita is a system that sounds great on paper, but is so impractical in reality that one has to wonder how it even got out of the research and development lab. Sony has learned NOTHING.
I can understand and appreciate the irritation at yet another hidden cost for the Vita, a device that's increasingly priced beyond what I think anyone will pay outside Japan. But keep in mind that if you don't want to pay to transfer your UMD games, they'll function just fine on the PSP you already own.
If I ever even buy a Vita, I'd stick to playing my antiquated UMDs on my regular PSP.
The best part about this is that you even quoted that earlier. I get what you're saying... because I already brought it up before you did. See, you're getting this all wrong. I'm not against this because I wanted a Vita and Sony is fucking it up (in fact, I don't want one for previously stated reasons). I'm against this latest episode of Sony's-Management-Sucks-Balls because I want Sony to succeed and they're doing everything in their power to do the opposite. Why wouldn't I want Sony to succeed? Competition is good. It's better for consumers and we get better games. However, Nintendo couldn't sell a $250 handheld and Sony wants to try again. Seriously, they failed to sell a handheld at $250, watched another company fail, and now they want to try it again while adding even more cost on top of it. Right.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2011, 12:05:57 AM
Actually, if their is one thing Sony succeeded with, it was selling the PSP. I don't remember if it was @ $250 or not, but they sold quite a bit.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: nickmitch on November 12, 2011, 12:40:53 AM
I remember all my friends in highschool buying PSPs and playing Super Mario Kart.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 12, 2011, 12:52:59 AM
Sony might have better luck selling the Vita at $250 because they won't be doing so at $80 markup. When you pay $250 on a Vita you are probably getting close to that worth of that in hardware. That said, the lack of games and all this other bullshit is a legitimate concern, but I would think the Vita would sell reasonably well to the hacking/pirating crowd, just like its predecessor did.
So don't be surprised if the Vita hardware sells decently, but the software tie in ratio remains abysmal.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on November 12, 2011, 12:57:14 AM
You could say the same thing about the DS though or even consoles like the WII? People pirate the sh!T out of them as well.
Like insanolord stated in Japan the handheld market rules while the consoles get the back seat, so I think Vita is still going do well over there.
As for the MC and UMD Passport--it's Sony way of trying to make some quick cash back since the system is selling at a loss. I'm a bit annoyed as well because the MC issue is more or less mandatory since you won't be able to play games without it. So it's actuall an $280-290 system going with the cheapest MC available.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on November 12, 2011, 02:03:48 AM
Actually, if their is one thing Sony succeeded with, it was selling the PSP. I don't remember if it was @ $250 or not, but they sold quite a bit.
I don't think PSP sold especially well at $250 outside of the launch window. Perhaps better than one would expect, but certainly not well enough to rationally sell its successor for an even higher price after all of the hidden extra cost. I believe the original $250 PSP bundle came with a Memory Stick.
And I don't think Vita will fare better than 3DS at $250. The average consumer didn't balk at the 3DS's launch price because they necessarily suspected the hardware was marked up. They balked because it was $250. Period. The lack of games certainly didn't help. Even if Super Mario 3D Land was available at launch, I still think sales would have been disappointing overall (albeit less so) because people don't want to spend $250 on a handheld. In Vita's case, the hardware is probably worth more than $250. Looking strictly at specs, it's a wonderful deal. Unfortunately, that's not where value begins and ends.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 12, 2011, 02:20:48 AM
I wonder if it will be possible for the Homebrew/Hacker community to develop a PSP emulator for the Vita? The Vita is considerably more powerful, so this might be possible, right? If that happens, then people who own UMD games will be able to transfer their UMD games onto the Vita's hard drive and then play them on the Vita, albeit in an unofficial and unsupported way. They won't need to pay fees to Sony for the privilege of backwards compatibility because the homebrew emulator will allow it for free.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on November 12, 2011, 09:09:34 AM
That's pretty much inevitable but it won't be for some kind of transfer. They'll just hack Vita is play pirated PSP games like they already do on PSP.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 12, 2011, 07:00:07 PM
That's pretty much inevitable but it won't be for some kind of transfer. They'll just hack Vita is play pirated PSP games like they already do on PSP.
That's all the more reason why Sony should allow backwards compatibility free of charge. Because if they don't, and if they charge for it then its just going to promote piracy. People resent having to pay to play things they already legally own, so this is something people are going to think there's nothing morally wrong with doing, and it might just snowball from there. The best thing Sony could do is support their loyal customers and not rape them by charging them for what they already legally own.
The PSP is able to transfer UMD games to a memory stick, right? So from there it should be possible to get it onto the hard drive of the Vita somehow. If Sony doesn't support this then homebrewers are going to make it happen anyway, so its in Sony's best interest to support it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 27, 2011, 01:43:33 AM
GameStop has listed prices for PS Vita Accessories and it's as bad as we thought. http://www.examiner.com/video-game-news-in-national/ps-vita-memory-cards-and-other-accessories-priced-by-gamestop (http://www.examiner.com/video-game-news-in-national/ps-vita-memory-cards-and-other-accessories-priced-by-gamestop)
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4GB PlayStation Vita Memory Card - $29.99 8GB PlayStation Vita Memory Card - $44.99 16GB PlayStation Vita Memory Card - $69.99 32GB PlayStation Vita Memory Card - $119.99 PlayStation Vita AC Adaptor - $19.99 PS VITA Armor GameCase - $7.99 PS VITA ArmorShell - $12.99 PlayStation Vita Car Adaptor - $17.99 PlayStation Vita Card Case - $9.99 PlayStation Vita Carrying Case - $19.99 PlayStation Vita Cradle - $19.99 PS VITA Crystal Custom Case - $19.99 PlayStation Vita In-ear Headset - $19.99 PS VITA Nerf Armor - $17.99 PlayStation Vita Portable Charge - $49.99 PlayStation Vita Protective Film (Two Pack) - $14.99 PS VITA Pull N Go Folio - $29.99 PlayStation Vita Starter Kit - $29.99 PS Vita Starter Kit - $24.99 PS Vita Trigger Grip - $17.99 PlayStation Vita Travel Pouch - $19.99 PlayStation Vita USB Cable - $14.99
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 27, 2011, 01:46:45 AM
Those memory card prices make my wallet hurt. And I just know that 32 GB isn't going to be nearly enough space, as I can't even fit all the PSP games I have that I would play on my 8GB ProStick Duo. I can't even imagine trying to stuff all that many Vita games on less than 24 GB of space.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2011, 01:47:10 AM
It's been said before, most likely in this thread, but **** Sony so much for not adopting the SD card standard like everyone else. Even Nintendo managed to do that.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 27, 2011, 02:09:11 AM
Vita profits are to be made in those mem cards.
I'm not sure which source to believe, but between them both, Sony is either breaking even on Vita at it's current price point, or taking a minor loss. But the ass raping from those mem card prices are ridiculous.
You can get an 8GB SD card for LESS THAN $10 you can get a really fast 8GB SD card for less than $30 you can get 32GB SD cards starting at $30
People will have to notice when those proprietary cards are on the shelf next to the Nintendo branded SD cards for 3DS & Wii U with the same sizes at a fraction of the price. and to think that the mem card is mandatory to play some of the launch games such as Uncharted... I don't see this going over too well once the launch hype dies down.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 27, 2011, 02:17:40 AM
I wonder how quickly we'll start to see 3rd party memory cards for the Vita that are actually priced reasonably with SD cards. If that happened and those cards were found to be reliable, that would probably be the only way I'd get a Vita. There's just no point to owning one without the appropriate storage, and those proprietary memory cards are highway robbery.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2011, 02:24:12 AM
Screw that, give me an adapter that I can plug a Micro SD into and use it with the system. I doubt Sony would approve, but I'd be willing to turn to the black market if it took that.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on November 27, 2011, 07:55:48 AM
" Sony is either breaking even on Vita at it's current price point, or taking a minor loss."
Actually major lost, their plan is to recover over an 3 year periord. Hense the overpriced addon's. Most of the time it doesn't effect me since I don't buy extra crap that I don't need but this time I'm going have to get at least a MC since you can't save without one.
Of course I'll still going wait for an price reduction but $280+ tax isn't all that bad if you're an moblie gamer.
As for the 3DS you do realize it's been hacked since Oct right? I wonder if nintendo's going live up to it's threat and start brinking consoles come the new firmware update but so far I haven't heard of anyone having their system bricked. Piracy is just an huge problem on handhelds last generation (hense why Japanese developers stop making US translations).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on November 27, 2011, 08:52:55 AM
So the only way I'm getting a Vita in the first... year or so is off a massive (like, 3DS-level) price drop on the main unit and the existence of a microSD->Vita adapter. Good to know.
Then again, I'm only getting a PSP this Christmas so I'm more than willing to wait. At least I know that I won't have to look for game cards since everything's on download services day-and-date.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on November 27, 2011, 09:20:44 AM
... Of course I'll still going wait for an price reduction but $280+ tax isn't all that bad if you're an moblie gamer. ...
Really? By that estimate the 3DS was +$30 More Reasonable at launch.
Most people are going to buy a Vita for the Same reason they bought a PSP. Street Cred. Plain and simple. As Tech it seems cool but, as an entertainment investment Sony has an upheld battle with me on what I know today to convince me they are not going to keep mugging me in an alley and then raping me.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2011, 09:24:37 AM
I'm not necessarily opposed to paying $250 for the hardware, but if I need to spend another $70+ before I even get to buy games then no deal. I'll wait for the inevitable price drop.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 27, 2011, 12:11:09 PM
It's been said before, most likely in this thread, but **** Sony so much for not adopting the SD card standard like everyone else. Even Nintendo managed to do that.
Sony could have went with SD if they wanted to. They just don't want to, though. Sony is an electronics company and they make proprietary media formats for a living, so they feel compelled to push out a new proprietary media format with each and every new system they make. Over the years they've come out with Minidisc, Betamax, UMD, Bluray, Memory Stick, and now this overpriced Vita crap. Of all these only Bluray ended up being a success and catching on, but Sony is relentless in coming out with new overpriced proprietary formats all the time.
Somehow they managed to get lucky and strike gold with Bluray, but that's the only time it happened. This Vita format will probably end up like UMD in that it will only be supported by the Vita and nothing else. Ever. So its a dead end technology which will never move beyond that one device, but its a way of milking more money out of consumers and forcing them to purchase some memory card that are going to be useless relics in about 5 years. How many people out there still use Minidisc or Betamax?
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I'm not necessarily opposed to paying $250 for the hardware, but if I need to spend another $70+ before I even get to buy games then no deal. I'll wait for the inevitable price drop.
The hardware will inevitably see price drops. These Vita cards though will probably remain perpetually overpriced for the entire life of the product. Although eventually, I can see it being possible to buy a Vita bundle with a modest sized card bundled in with it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 27, 2011, 12:57:19 PM
Sony didn't really strike gold with Bluray.
But they did trojan horse it into 10's of millions of homes by risking the Playstation brand on it's inclusions.
I really don't think Sony makes very much money off of Bluray considering that in order to get it as a standard, they had to make a consortium with probably close to 20 other companies who all take a share of the profits.
Bluray may have beaten out HDDVD and become the HD disc based standard, but DVD is still king (for movies)..... for now.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
I don't think Bluray will ever be more than a niche market, albeit a decently sized one. I think a lot of people are going to skip right from DVD to digital downloads/streaming.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 27, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
I know I have.
I have netflix and I have my torrents.
Netflix for movies all the stuff I missed in TV's past and my torrents to keep me current on TV present.
By the time Bluray takes a majoprity share of the disc market, it is possible that it will be because people are abandoning the disc and not because Bluray is winning over the DVD market. Hi-speed internet will hopefully more widespread and HD streaming will be more common.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2011, 01:19:20 PM
The market for physical discs is only going to continue to shrink. Studio stubbornness in regard to Netflix and other streaming services may slow that process, but it's inevitable.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 27, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
Bluray may never overtake DVD as far as movies go, but with video games I think that will happen. The next generation of consoles will probably all use it. There will always be a market for tangible media, because people like to physically own something and not have to pay a subscription fee in order to access it, or worry about online servers eventually being shut down or whatever. You can't trust that digital content will always be accessible, but if you have a DVD or Bluray as long as you take care of it you should be able to use it for the rest of your life.
Not to mention that retailers like Walmart and Gamestop depend on physical media, and people don't like waiting to download something 20gb in size when instead they could just drive to a brick and mortar store and within 10 minutes have it as opposed to 10 hours or more of waiting for a download to finish.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on November 27, 2011, 02:54:21 PM
Actually not really, ISP are complaining about costs again and I see them trying to cap the bandwidth limit again, I only have two choices in ISP and both of them are talking about it in my area (TW and Verizon).
The disk format is going continue for another 5-10 years easy if pricing continues to climb upwards. And the actually number of people with broadband is still shirking in the states.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 27, 2011, 03:24:18 PM
What is considered Broadband still really isn't fast enough to cope with downloads that are 10-20gb in size. At some point in the future there will probably be internet speeds able to download files that large in a few minutes, but right now it takes hours and hours.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on November 27, 2011, 04:47:40 PM
Frankly the crossover point is when its just as quick to download a game as it is to go to the store. The other crossover point is that you can do the downloading while doing something else with your system to cover the buying from amazon folks. Having sales like Steam does doesn't hurt either.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 27, 2011, 04:51:44 PM
I've downloaded 7+GB files in the matter of an hour or so.
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm think i've seen my downloads get up to 3MB/s at some points at that speed, I could download a little over 10GB in an hours time.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Morari on November 27, 2011, 06:42:21 PM
Sadly, most people throughout America still don't have access to real broadband. If they do, it's not a choice, it's Russian roulette between a couple of monopolies that the local manciple created. Infrastructure is a joke, because telecoms and cable companies are allowed to put forth the least amount of effort possible, while nonetheless charging a premium. With that comes a strong push for usage-based billing, deep-packet inspection, and an overall goal of artificial scarcity to drive profits even higher.
And let us not forget that many of these service providers also create and distribute media through competing channels, like cable television. The bias reeks. They don't want to see that die off because they have control over it. They want the internet to become a passive experience just like everything else. No thought, no control. That's why you see full scale propaganda campaigns against simple things like net net neutrality. That's why media companies are buying off politicians to speak ever-so-favorably about things like the SOPA and Protect IP bills. That's why the DOJ and Homeland Security can illegally seize foreign domain names at will.
Make no mistake. The market has been moving in that direction for a very long time. It'd already be there if it weren't for the aforementioned dinosaurs kicking and screaming about a loss of control. They fear competition and change. They've shown that they'll do whatever is necessary to maintain their stranglehold on these markets. The scary thing is that most people don't care one way or another. So long as they have their Soma and their Orgy-Porgies, they're fine. That's why they willingly barricade themselves into passive experiences by using corporate portals like AOL, or more recently, Facebook.
Will the market ever get there? Hopefully. If adequate resources were actually diverted to building up infrastructure, that would be a great start. Beyond that, we need to keep all of the "old money" out of the equation.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 27, 2011, 08:11:36 PM
They legally seize domain names. SOPA is good for everyone except people who pirate media or support those who do.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on November 27, 2011, 08:55:55 PM
SOPA is good for everyone except people who pirate media or support those who do.
No, it isn't. The law is written so spectacularly broadly that it could easily be used to shut down sites like Youtube or ThatGuyWithTheGlasses, either directly or by blocking the funds from their advertisers until the site shuts down from lack of funding. Also, if I remember correctly the law only blocks access to sites via their domain names, so if you know the site's numerical address you can still access it. Because of that, it wouldn't block the pirating sites anyway.
Heaven knows I've been anti-piracy and whatnot over the past year or so, but that law is so badly written that you can forget the slippery slope. We'll already be at the bottom with a gaping pit just ahead.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on November 27, 2011, 09:05:09 PM
PPPPPPPFFFFFFFFF HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA. YOU'RE NOT SERIOUS RIGHT? SOPA and it's sister document would give corporations, not the government cart blanch to shut down almost any website for an indefinitely long time from US users without the slightest due process that even DMCA grants. No site would be safe. Even Nintendo Wold Report could be shut down if it ended up on a computer generated list where programs look for key words or somebody posting an unauthorised screenshot of a game that a company doesn't like since it could be considered a copyright violation. Low review scores could mean retribution of the highest order.
The entire web runs on copyright violations. Reviews, screenshots, lets plays, riff tracks, home video clips, user comments, I mean literally every part of the web has some element of CP violation. Every one of those can be used to shut down a site on a whim.
I kid you not, even you TJ Spyke are safe (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/the_problem_of.html). Given how awful the American justice system has shown it self time and again, laws like SOPA are a clear and present danger to everybody.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 27, 2011, 09:28:26 PM
SOPA is good for everyone except people who pirate media or support those who do.
Really? You should actually look into and research the subject a bit before gobbling up the propaganda. I'll leave you to do that on your own though, as I'd hate to get "all political and stuff"... even if the existence of NWR itself very likely depends upon it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 28, 2011, 03:13:34 PM
I think TJ was just trolling, because he hasn't said anything further to back up his statement or respond to anything anyone has said. He probably just read all the replies and is laughing to himself over how he "got" everyone by saying something inflammatory and getting people worked up. I think that's what he's been doing to us all along, because how could anyone really be so strongly anti-individual freedom and so pro-corporations as he consistently is?
Oh yeah, and he hacked his PSP...just saying.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 28, 2011, 04:08:21 PM
Come on now it's not fair to point out that he hacked his PSP, after all, he only bought the thing in the first place because it was so easy to hack and that way he wouldn't have to buy games. Err...
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on November 28, 2011, 04:24:14 PM
He maybe trolling, but he is trolling with some very dangerous ideas. He might not believe them, but another idiot might. Better safe than sorry and rebut it than silently approve by inaction. For all we know he might be a mentally sick person in need of help, but this is the internet and we may never find out. Even then if he has issues, I doubt I could at this point, summon enough pity to even want to help him.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Urkel on November 30, 2011, 04:42:53 AM
ONE HUNDRED AND NINETEEN YOU ESS DOLLARS
IT'S RIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER with three tracks and five cars
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on November 30, 2011, 06:51:49 AM
^^^^^^^^^^
Only funny because it's terrible. Please try again.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on November 30, 2011, 09:11:00 AM
Actually the SOPA isn't as bad as what people make it out to be. Basically the publisher can file an complaint with the Department of Justice about an site's illegal activity and then an investigation is started. Basically it's working with the Protect IP law which gives the Publisher rights over their own IP.
As for User generated content, as long as the site regulates it's own like this one than it isn't going be an problem.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on November 30, 2011, 11:14:53 AM
That's not even half the picture. The EFF (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/stop-online-piracy-act-blacklist-any-other-name-still-blacklist) provides a far more succinct picture than I can. The current Bills are a one, two hit. SOPA (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/sopa-hollywood-finally-gets-chance-break-internet), and Protect IP (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/05/protect-ip-act-coica-redux) serve the same functions as a blacklist via different mechanisms. I will try and explain them as plainly as I can.
SOPA attacks sites financially with only a 5 day window to respond regardless of the veracity of the claim or whether the notice as even been received. It doesn't matter if there is any real infringement going on, you stop receiving ad revenue or your shop can't take payment, your site is dead. The IP holders have shown time and again that they do not care about standing laws on fair use (https://www.eff.org/cases/lenz-v-universal) nor verify (http://www.mangatg.com/2011/07/dmca/#more-1881)1 the claims they make and will pursue litigation at a drop of a hat.
Protect IP basically sends the government to handle what is normally a civil case and bear the cost, while exploiting government powers on IP holders behalf. While it has been modified so they won't mess with the DNSs anymore, the seizure component remains via unrelated government agencies like ICE (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/02/what-congress-can-learn-recent-ice-seizures). It also attacks safe habour statuses of places like Youtube where it is much to big of a site to monitor and filter effectively. Given the language of the bill it will only take one link to another site for the shutdown process to begin. Even China with tens of thousands of people specifically employed by the government to manually filter and suppress, unsuccessfully, political dessent, how would even the smallest site with any user content be effective at making sure every single link is sanitised or the comments themselves are not infringing whether they be movie quotes, verses or lyrics.
In any event, the purpose of these bills is not to protect ip or anything of the sort. They are tools with which the large content providers would use to break down the internet into their respective content blocks like cable channels for their own profit and control. Imagine if the internet got broken up into a dozen AOL like nets, filled with only sites approved by that section's provider. What makes the internet useful and effective would be gone. The internet is one of the last places where there is a high level of free speech that cannot be easily suppressed that supersedes any nation that is still in the hands of the average person. I wouldn't trade it to any government even over the greatest of national security concerns, let alone hand it peacefully over to unaccountable corporations.
Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security - Benjamin Franklin
With these bills your not even trading your freedoms for your own security. As for your DoJ, they have no requirement to follow legal or ethical rules (http://jonathanturley.org/2011/11/22/sullivan/). You are very mistaken in your belief that "SOPA isn't as bad as what people make it out to be". They are written to be abused from multiple directions.
1I chose this since this is easily the most absurd notice served given the subject matter on the site in relation to the subject matter in the notice. The rest of the site is NSFW.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: ejamer on November 30, 2011, 11:51:28 AM
Although I would love to see piracy curbed and IP protected, I agree that SOPA raises a lot of red flags. But is it worse than the current situation? It's difficult to fairly weigh the problems of potential SOPA abuse against the certainty of rampant piracy and IP abuse. (Edit: Not meant as an endorsement of SOPA. It's not something I would support although I can understand and even sympathize with some of the intent.)
Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security - Benjamin Franklin
First, let me clarify that I'm not saying anything about you personally. This is just an observation based on other internet posts - not this particular use of the quote.
It's sad that the people who most enjoy this quote are often them same ones who consider liberty to mean "freedom to do/take whatever I want".
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on November 30, 2011, 12:45:05 PM
A lot of people take that quote far too literally. There is always a trade off and most societies as a whole do a pretty good job. You need agencies like the FDA, EPA, that limit freedoms to some extent so you or other people don't openly pollute the drinking water, sell diseased meat, gas the nearby town or sell radioactive water as medicine. Absolute freedom is anarchy, which is a step below Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome in places I want to live. What is important about that quote is the understanding there is a trade off and your natural rights like freedom of movement and speech should not be traded or left to be forfeit lightly. Of course, this is based on the assumption that the government works for the greater benefit of all it's citizens. For the people, by the people.
Th current situation is generally a stalemate with some progressive moves like the moves to ensure net neutrality. While the DMCA isn't good law by any stretch, it's somewhat self defeating since it's fairly toothless on average which is fortunate given the extremely high number of blindingly obvious false positives.
Piracy isn't something that will be "Solved" even with the most brutal of tactics, never mind the blowback that would occur. Piracy has existed since people made copies of manuscripts on parchment or simply memorized it, verbally repeated songs and folklore. It's ridiculous to even to even try to completely own an idea or story. Such concepts aren't even contemplated with physical items. Only games like Skyrim would make an absurd assumption that when you pick up something you have stolen it. It would be like me taking your photo and you claiming I stole your soul. Asinine. In the end, it's not about piracy, but control.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 30, 2011, 01:49:18 PM
But this is politics and there is a rule on this site against discussing politics (and for good reason).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on November 30, 2011, 01:50:07 PM
"Given the language of the bill it will only take one link to another site for the shutdown process to begin"
No, not sure where you read that but the site has to be dedicated to privay. Two, in both cases you have to file with the DoJ and I'm not sure where you get "As for your DoJ, they have no requirement to follow legal or ethical rules." but they have the same freaking red tape as anything else? An case has to be opened and viewed before an judge and god knows how long that's freaking going to take. The judge is the one that's going issue an cease order."
it's still has to follow due process.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 30, 2011, 01:58:50 PM
But this is politics and there is a rule on this site against discussing politics (and for good reason).
Thanks to the EPA, we no longer have rivers that catch on fire because they are so polluted.
To get this thread back on topic. I have to admit that the Vita looks nice and I wouldn't mind owning one, but I am not gonna pay $250 +tax for it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on November 30, 2011, 05:48:57 PM
That site doesn't have to be about software piracy. Let me bring up those 2 paragraphs (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/05/protect-ip-act-coica-redux).
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First, the legislation now includes a private right of action for intellectual property owners. This means that IP owners as well as the government can seek injunctions against websites "dedicated to infringing activities" in addition to court orders against third parties providing services to those sites. (Notably, IP owners can also bring actions to enforce the court orders.) Consider whether Viacom would have bothered to bring a copyright infringement action against YouTubewith the attendant challenges of arguing around the DMCA safe harborshad it had this cause of action in its arsenal. The act includes language that says it's not intended to "enlarge or diminish" the DMCA's safe harbor limitations on liability, but make no mistake: rights holders will argue that safe harbor qualification is simply immaterial if a site is deemed to be dedicated to infringement.
Second, the scope of the language has been expanded to include additional categories of third-party providers that can be subject to court orders. Under the new act, "interactive computer services" and "servers of sponsored links" can be required to cease linking to particular websites. We'd heard about a potential "search engine provision," but these additions arguably go much further. An interactive computer service (the term, and its definition, are borrowed from the Communications Decency Act (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/230.html)) could include not only Bing but also sites like Facebook, Twitter, and potentially any service or web page where a URL might turn up.
The first paragraph explains the process a very large site like Youtube which currently has safe harbour status can be revoked and become a "Place dedicated to piracy". The second paragraph explains how any site can become a target. The DOJ link is there to show that the deck is stacked. It means prosecutors no longer needs to provide all evidence in discovery and would not be held in contempt for it since unless expressly ordered before said evidence was excluded. Simply the court room is no longer an even playing field. They could destroy evidence of your innocence and there would be nothing you can do about it unless a judge issued an explicit order before hand. That is the level of threat that small sites cannot survive just from attrition alone due to legal costs and extends to every case to goes to court with a DoJ prosecutor. Prosecutors could openly cheat like in the first Phoenix Wright game, but unlike that game, they get to go free. If you can't see why it's related and how it's bad at this point, I can't help you. At it's most basic level it is an open corruption of the court system.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on December 02, 2011, 06:08:08 PM
In other related news, the custom memory format is there to prevent piracy and to interact with a PC, it ill require an iTunes type app. See it here (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/38922/PS_Vita_Hopes_To_Prevent_Piracy_With_Closed_Memory_Format.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20GamasutraNews%20%28Gamasutra%20News%29). Japanese source (http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/rt/20111202_494915.html).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 02, 2011, 06:12:13 PM
In other related news, the custom memory format is there to prevent piracy and to interact with a PC, it ill require an iTunes type app. See it here (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/38922/PS_Vita_Hopes_To_Prevent_Piracy_With_Closed_Memory_Format.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20GamasutraNews%20%28Gamasutra%20News%29). Japanese source (http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/rt/20111202_494915.html).
That will last about 2 hours before someone hacks it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 04, 2011, 07:58:51 PM
Heavily Discounted Digital Retail Games? upto 40% off hard copy prices!? http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/12/04/rumor-downloading-psn-games-on-vita-40-cheaper-than-retail.aspx
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Sony has hinted in the past that downloading games on the Vita will be a cheaper option than buying them off the shelves. The scuttlebutt from a recent Sony event is that the savings could be a dramatic 40 percent for ditching the box.
According to Thrifty Nerd, Vita games will be capped off at $39.99 at retail. Downloading a game at the same price would only cost around $23, however, saving you a pretty penny by going digital. Many gamers gasped at the Vita's spendy memory cards (4GB: $30, 8GB: $45, 16GB: $70, 32GB: $120), but these savings, if true, could soften that blow.
While this prospect is exciting for prospective Vita owners, keep your expectations low until we have official confirmation from Sony.
I always expected non physical copies to be cheaper, but not that much cheaper.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Stogi on December 04, 2011, 08:02:15 PM
Like it seyz, it's offset by the price of the memory cards. I.e., not really a discount.
Until someone hacks the Vita, I don't see it flying off the shelves.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 04, 2011, 08:17:05 PM
I am almost convinced that someone will be selling a PS Vita Mem -> MicroSD adapter at or soon after launch. I'm pretty sure the initial batch will fly off of shelves just like any enthusiast backed product, but it's the shipments after that I would imagine shifting slowly, especially if that adapter doesn't show up sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 04, 2011, 08:29:24 PM
But it also needs to be noted that you can't resell digital games. If you beat a physical media game and are done with it you can sell it and get at least some, if not most of your money back, which can then be reinvested towards other games. With digital downloads you can't do that. So even with this 40% reduction it might not necessarily be the cheaper way to go in the long run, because every digital thing you buy is something you will never be able to sell or trade off.
Mod Edit: Do not refer to GameStop by that name again. Not cool.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2011, 10:45:03 AM
The Discount is probably whatever Sony has allocated to Cart Production, Shipping, and the Retailers cut. Thinking on that I'm not to surprised at those prices.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 12, 2011, 11:55:19 AM
Kotaku says that Sony says the PS Vita Mem Card Prices may not be confirmed.... http://kotaku.com/5866690/im-on-board-the-playstation-vita-is-going-to-launch-with-a-bang
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"Those memory cards are as close to mandatory as it gets, because, while some game cards will support save files, many won't. And all downloadable games and add-ons will have to go on those pricey little memory sticks. The Sony line on these cards—I heard it from multiple reps this week—is that the rumored prices aren't official, that we should stay tuned and that this isn't a hidden cost after all."
Current rumored prices: 4GB PlayStation Vita Memory Card - $29.99 8GB PlayStation Vita Memory Card - $44.99 16GB PlayStation Vita Memory Card - $69.99 32GB PlayStation Vita Memory Card - $119.99
So *IF* prices go down, this is what I expect: 4GB - $19.99 8GB - $34.99 16GB - $59.99 32GB - $99.99
If they don't change, then I think Sony should throw in a free download or 2 or 3 for the 8GB, 16GB & 32GB respectively or a $5, $10 or $20 PSN Credit in that same order too.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 16, 2011, 12:58:08 PM
Vita launched in Japan, I'm expecting them to sellout rather quickly (only 700K were shipped).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2011, 01:01:18 PM
I don't expect it to sell out. I think it will do decent numbers though.
Oh, Sony confirmed today that PSN accounts WILL be restricted to 1 per system after all. They said the account would be tied both to the memory card and the system itself, so the only way to switch accounts is to wipe the Vita clean with a factory reset.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 16, 2011, 01:12:42 PM
All preorders were sold out meaning only stores that don't accept preorders are going have any to sell. I'm expecting at least 50K-100K exporters trying to purchase it as well (it's regionfree after all).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2011, 01:40:03 PM
Since anybody buying the Vita at the Japanese launch would be restricted to only buying Japanese PSN games, I think 50K would be extremely optimistic.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 16, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
Some of Vita games have english subtitles and you can reset to factory settings once it comes stateside (you'll lose your save files but I'm guessing most will finish the games prior to resetting).
Importers like their bragging rights just like people spending $1000+ dollars to get the Iphone 4 out a week ahead of time or look at ebay collection items--hell Xelda's latest collector's edition is selling at $120 ($126 with shipping). People are a strange breed when it comes to material wants.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 16, 2011, 03:18:15 PM
Also you can have multple PSN accounts but they can't be active on one VITA meaning you'll be able to swap between the two but you have to reinstall/download everything again each time you do. Your PSN accounts stay active for awhile regardless of you using it or not.
Also they still have Sub-accounts on PSN. Not sure if Vita is going fix the issues with them but that would allow at least two people to share one account (one master and one sub). There's tons of issues with that feature but an update might be able to address them.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2011, 07:29:33 PM
It's won't be as simple as swapping on memory cards, if you want to switch PSN accounts on your Vita, you will have to do a factory reset (deleting everything on the system) since the account will be tied to the system as well. I don't know if you would be able to recover the PSN account after that, but who is going to be willing to erase everything on their Vita just to switch PSN accounts?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 17, 2011, 04:59:31 AM
Yet another strongarmed fascist move by Sony against consumers.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 18, 2011, 10:55:57 PM
So the PS Vista already got hacked...
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 18, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
Haha, that was fast. Though the PSP wasn't exactly that hard to hack either (you did not need any skills to do it, and it was especially easy if you had a friend who already did it to theirs).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 18, 2011, 11:16:36 PM
Yes and no. They discovered they can still use the same hacks to run PSP games on VITA, similar to the 3DS still allowing DS flash carts to work.
So far anyhow.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 19, 2011, 09:21:10 AM
Isn't this the part where you should be ranting about how evil those hackers/pirate are and how you hope they get the electric chair?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 19, 2011, 11:20:04 AM
It's a bit different than flashcarts working on the 3DS though. Surely it will be (or may already be) patched and the exploit will probably be gone from the US version - but if the PS Vita was (completely) hacked right off the bat, I'd probably buy one to use as a portable media center.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Stogi on December 19, 2011, 12:04:16 PM
If it were completely jailbroken, that's the only time I would by one.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 23, 2011, 05:16:58 PM
US prices for MC are in: 4GB $20 8GB $30 16GB $60 32GB $100
It's about what I expected from the begining :).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 23, 2011, 06:30:34 PM
They're still too much.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 25, 2011, 12:28:55 PM
So *IF* prices go down, this is what I expect: 4GB - $19.99 8GB - $34.99 16GB - $59.99 32GB - $99.99
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Kytim89 on December 26, 2011, 01:00:42 AM
What is Sony's beef with Sd cards? Don't they realize that if their customers have to spend less for storage then they will give that maoney back to Sony in the form of buying more of their software?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 26, 2011, 01:07:54 AM
Simple. They can make a much larger profit margin on Memory cards...and once people buy the memory card that only supports Sony products, they have to use it by buying Sony games, or using Sony products...so they feel it is a great means to get money.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 26, 2011, 03:00:49 PM
What is Sony's beef with Sd cards? Don't they realize that if their customers have to spend less for storage then they will give that maoney back to Sony in the form of buying more of their software?
I guess their aim this time is to curb piracy. Supposedly these new memory cards are supposed to be more secure against that. I doubt it, but I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Mop it up on December 26, 2011, 06:59:14 PM
Those memory card prices are ridiculous. A 32GB SD card is around $30-40, and you could probably get a 1TB hard drive for $100... I guess we know how Sony is going to make up for selling the system at a loss.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 26, 2011, 07:24:10 PM
I'm not sure how good those brands are, but they are out there.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 27, 2011, 01:10:22 AM
Comparing solid state storage, such as SD cards and what Sony's using, to hard drives is ridiculous. It's going to be a long time before solid state will be anywhere near as cheap as hard drives on a per-GB level.
However, pointing out that you can get SD cards of the same size as Sony's proprietary ones at less than half the price is completely fair.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 27, 2011, 03:23:27 AM
Sony's using an format similar to micro SD. Two, you don't know the specs of it (I googled and found nothing) so depending on the transfer speed and read speed you'll end up with an variety of prices.
Until an spec sheet is available you really can't compare the two since highend SD or even mSD cards can cost.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 27, 2011, 12:30:06 PM
The point is to make money. Either its being done to scalp vita owners into buying these media cards at outrageous money which Sony then pockets, or its being done because this memory card is somehow secure against piracy. Or maybe its both those reasons, but either way somehow or another it all has to do with Sony making money in a way they couldn't do if they went with a more generic and readily available format like SD.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on December 28, 2011, 08:58:02 PM
Somebody forgot to tell Sony this is a marathon (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39353/PS_Vita_Sales_Nosedive_As_3DS_Sees_Record_Week.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+News%29), not a rocket skate sprint. PSV is getting out sold by the PSP. Looks like Sony couldn't avoid the price issue anymore than Nintendo could. Splitting the price and having such steep prices for mandatory memory didn't help along with a mostly western games line-up. For those wondering, no, it's not being supply side constrained.
Looks like Nintendo has so far successfully pulled a Final Fantasy 7 against Sony with Monster Hunter.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 28, 2011, 09:39:03 PM
Nintendo sacrificed the front line to bait Sony with the $250 price point then pulled the carpet up from under them by stealing Monster Hunter (3G and an upcoming 4) and carpet bombed the entire area with a stellar lineup (MH3G, SM3DL & MK7)
Next the cleanup crew will follow through with executing any survivors on foot as the 3DS marches through town with Resident Evil Revelation, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken, Metal Gear Solid and the many other 3rd party titles that they announced are coming.
In retrospect, Iwata will probably be awarded a medal after everyone forgets the details of how it all started.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 29, 2011, 01:09:29 AM
Don't think MH4 is exclusive, so far Capcom only announced an 3DS port but that doesn't stop them from making it multiplatform.
Or just renaming it and changing a few things like they already done. Your really can't expect Capcom to toss away millions of fans (the last PSP MH game sold 4 1/2 milion). So I'm expecting an MH Freedom 4 annoncement at E3 anyhow.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on December 29, 2011, 01:21:01 AM
The important thing is that Monster Hunter is available on the 3DS now. This allows the 3DS to pull an increasing lead to the point where losing that one game stops mattering. Even if they had a MH at E3 for PSV, it would still be a year from release. By then 3DS would be insurmountable if current trends continue.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 29, 2011, 01:29:32 AM
Oh yeah, there's going be three Tekken games for Vita (SF vs Tekken, Tekken vs SF, Tekken Tournament Tag 2) so that's out. MGS 3DS isn't exclusive it's just an port of MGS3 which is already on three different systems. Which really only left Resident Evil Revelation and Kingdom Hearts 3D. Square hasn't ported any of it's games from system to system (well except for Recoded) so that one is an lock. Capcom on the other hand is known to port it's games when sales disappoint so depending on how well RE R sales will determine if the Vita gets a port or not--Capcom's last RE game Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D sold 300Kish which isn't much. RE Revelation looks to be the better game but only time will tell on on well it's going do.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 29, 2011, 01:33:03 AM
Capcom has been releasing new MH rather heavily lately, just because the don't announce something doesn't mean they don't already have it in the works. And MHF3 is basically the same thing as TRI G minus the water levels, and the Vita can play PSP games (though the UMD's passport program doesn't list Capcom games yet but you can buy the digital version of MHF3 or Portable 3rd).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2011, 02:37:35 AM
The important part is that 3DS gets it first and its already proving that the audience is there. Whether or not Vita gets a version 6 months later its kinda irrelevant at this point.
3DS gets it now, all your friends that are playing it are playing it on 3DS, and if you want to play with them you will also need a 3DS.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 29, 2011, 04:17:43 AM
Your really can't expect Capcom to toss away millions of fans
They weren't tossed away. Capcom safely led those millions of fans over to the 3DS platform, just like how Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TrueNerd on December 29, 2011, 06:29:01 PM
After selling 324,000 units in Japan in two days, the Vita only sold 72,000 units in its first full week, which was also the week before Christmas. For comparison, the 3DS sold 482,000 units in this same week. Let's place bets as to when Sony investors/video game commentators start screaming for Sony to start making iOS games.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: noname2200 on December 29, 2011, 08:00:18 PM
After selling 324,000 units in Japan in two days, the Vita only sold 72,000 units in its first full week, which was also the week before Christmas. For comparison, the 3DS sold 482,000 units in this same week. Let's place bets as to when Sony investors/video game commentators start screaming for Sony to start making iOS games.
The latter, at least, have never needed the invitation...
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on December 29, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
Sony's pretty much an Android shop anyway. And if you thought the money in iOS is bad...
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 29, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
Sony wouldn't have anywhere near the incentive to go iOS as it could be argued Nintendo has. While Sony's first party lineup is good, and certainly a lot better than it used to be, I don't think any of their franchises are big enough to be able to really cash in with a smartphone version, which was the appeal for the misguided group of Nintendo's shareholders making a case for that. And while a lot of people would argue that there isn't a real market for console-style experiences on handhelds, there's even less of a market for them on smartphones.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on December 30, 2011, 03:50:52 AM
ISO games = throwing money down a drain. To many games competting for such a small revenue that only an handful can be considered successful.
Not sure if Sony's going start an pricewar with Nintendo considering how much they lost during the last 5 quarters. I can see them trying to make better deals with software/hardware bundles. Two, Sony started talking about "sharing". Basically instead of having to buy multiple versions of the same game for two platforms you'll only need to buy one and get the other free (similar to Bluray/DVD/Digital copy packs). Since porting games from the PS3 is supposed to easy as pie you'll get an larger software library in the shortest amount of time--also makes people want to buy PS3 software over Microsoft or WIIU.
Not sure if Vita is going do better in the states, last time the PSP had a couple of AAA Grand Theft titles leading the charge now it's up to Uncharted and a couple of FPS shooters like Killzone. FPS never really sold all that well on handhelds due to controls but now with both current systems using dual sticks so it's no longer an issue.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2012, 12:46:29 PM
PS Vita Sales down!? No Worries.
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/5655070.html (http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/5655070.html) Rumor has it that Capcom to the rescue with a MH game due in the 2nd half of 2012. another port of MH3P? MH3G? or maybe they will also get MH4? Only time will tell.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: ejamer on January 04, 2012, 01:22:48 PM
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/5655070.html (http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/5655070.html) Rumor has it that Capcom to the rescue with a MH game due in the 2nd half of 2012. another port of MH3P? MH3G? or maybe they will also get MH4? Only time will tell.
I find it hard to believe that MH4 won't be on both systems unless massive money hats are involved. Timing is really the big question.
Any chance that people using different consoles could play together? I'm not sure if the online architecture for 3DS/Vita would allow that to happen... but it would be sweet for gamers not to have to choose sides that way.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2012, 01:46:52 PM
What would be even better is if the 3DS/Vita people could play AGAINST each other.
Automatically seen as enemies, encouraging you to get your other 3DS or Vita friends online. that would push console warz to a whole new level.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 04, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
The Vita has already seen its first pricecut. Some retailers have marked down the 3G model from ¥29,980 ($390.67) to ¥24,999 ($325.76).
Not quite the $80 price drop Nintendo had, but atleast this is happening much sooner than 6 months later (hahaha 2 weeks later!!!)
I bet no exec @ Sony is willing to take a paycut for their miscalculation of the market towards their product.
I don't know why Sony even bothered with the 3G model. 3G is pretty useless for games, and the people who would have bought it were turned off by being forced to get an AT&T plan. The Wi-Fi only model was the only version that was ever going to sell, so this isn't surprising.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2012, 03:29:33 PM
And possibly the reason why the Vita is seeing such low sales.
I heard the Wifi model was in short supply and the 3G model was being the pushed as the standard. I guess Sony was hoping for piece of those subscription plans to subsidize cost.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 04, 2012, 05:54:07 PM
Didn't Sony also restrict the size of stuff that could be downloaded over 3G on the Vita? That could be another factor. If I ever get a Vita, it would probably be the Wi-Fi model.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2012, 06:39:26 PM
Just so you know, that retailer price drop for Vita is being denied by people living in Japan. They are saying that there was no price drop across retailers.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 04, 2012, 06:43:35 PM
I haven't seen any reports of that.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2012, 06:54:15 PM
It's coming straight from the mouths of gamers in Japan.
I don't know if it's all anecdotal and they didn't see it at their usual store, or of they were physically checking the stores around them and reporting back, but they were saying that there was no retailer wide price drop on Vita.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 04, 2012, 07:40:08 PM
I mean, where are you seeing reports of gamers saying that? I assume you didn't personally go up and ask any Japanese gamers. The report also says "some" retailers, so that could also explain it. Still, if some are doing it then I expect others to follow suit soon.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on January 04, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
You can download and file size you want but most data plans for 3G is costly so downloading games would be better if you just used free wi-fi areas and leave the 3G just for emails/online gaming/gps/ect.
Planning on getting just the wi-fi version myself and using my 4G mobile router. Verizon has better speeds and some better packages for 4G plans, I'm looking at 4GB for $20 (I get $10 off since I'm already an verizon customer). Beats AT@T plans at $25 for 2GB at 3G speeds. Best deal for your money in my book.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2012, 09:54:46 PM
I mean, where are you seeing reports of gamers saying that? I assume you didn't personally go up and ask any Japanese gamers. The report also says "some" retailers, so that could also explain it. Still, if some are doing it then I expect others to follow suit soon.
Just on other forums, Japanese members are saying that stores have not discounted PSV. But maybe a specific retailer or 2 where the pic was taken have since they only had 3G units that no one wanted to buy.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: noname2200 on January 04, 2012, 11:30:54 PM
I mean, where are you seeing reports of gamers saying that? I assume you didn't personally go up and ask any Japanese gamers. The report also says "some" retailers, so that could also explain it. Still, if some are doing it then I expect others to follow suit soon.
Just on other forums, Japanese members are saying that stores have not discounted PSV. But maybe a specific retailer or 2 where the pic was taken have since they only had 3G units that no one wanted to buy.
I suspect that's probably what happeneed. From my understanding, Japanese retailers can't get a refund from overstock, so they tend to be more aggressive about price-cutting merchandise that's not moving as quickly as they expected. I'm having flashbacks to Spirit Tracks being in the bargain bins at various retailers at various times...
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on January 28, 2012, 04:05:52 AM
Sony revealed today a new, limited edition bundle for the PlayStation Vita that includes a memory card and PSN game.
According to a statement on the PlayStation Blog, a new PlayStation Vita 3G/Wi-Fi bundle at launch includes an 8GB Vita memory card, an AT&T DataConnect Pass good for one free 250MB session, and a PlayStation Network game for $299. Sony did not detail what game would be available as part of this bundle.
Didn't say what game though but still not a bad idea to to increase Vita 3G model sales.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on January 28, 2012, 09:09:45 AM
Sony revealed today a new, limited edition bundle for the PlayStation Vita that includes a memory card and PSN game.
According to a statement on the PlayStation Blog, a new PlayStation Vita 3G/Wi-Fi bundle at launch includes an 8GB Vita memory card, an AT&T DataConnect Pass good for one free 250MB session, and a PlayStation Network game for $299. Sony did not detail what game would be available as part of this bundle.
Didn't say what game though but still not a bad idea to to increase Vita 3G model sales.
Isn't $299 the base price for the 3G model? That deal isn't too bad if you were going to get one.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Gamejunkie on January 28, 2012, 10:34:09 AM
Sony revealed today a new, limited edition bundle for the PlayStation Vita that includes a memory card and PSN game.
According to a statement on the PlayStation Blog, a new PlayStation Vita 3G/Wi-Fi bundle at launch includes an 8GB Vita memory card, an AT&T DataConnect Pass good for one free 250MB session, and a PlayStation Network game for $299. Sony did not detail what game would be available as part of this bundle.
Didn't say what game though but still not a bad idea to to increase Vita 3G model sales.
The first edition bundle is also now going to include the data connect pass and free PSN game.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on January 28, 2012, 05:21:29 PM
I be tempted to get the 3G version with the bundle if there was a game I knew I wanted.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 28, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
I be tempted to get the 3G version with the bundle if there was a game I knew I wanted.
There may not be one at launch, but there probably will be one at some point in the future.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on February 07, 2012, 04:37:45 PM
No passport program for the US? Meaning you'll have to rebuy all your UMD's in order to play them on Vita? Why do something for one region and not the others? While I don't need this program since my PSP works I was looking forward to see patches for my PSP games to include dual analog support but now that hope is all but gone.
On a bright note--retailers are just about throwing everything they can to get you to pre-order the VITA. Was able to lock in an Launch Bundled Vita (comes with 8GB card/250MB data/free PSN game) and Uncharted for $306 with an additional $50 rebate.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on February 07, 2012, 05:24:44 PM
I am not happy with this announcement of no UMD passport program for U.S. Vita. I only own 2 UMD PSP games (Birth By Sleep and Valkyrie Profile, neither of which are on PSN right now). I don't know if I'd want to play Birth By Sleep again after playing it with each character for the bonus ending, but I've barely started Valkyrie Profile. There's a good chance I wouldn't get around to it until I had a Vita. Well, I guess I'll just keep my PSP now. Screw Vita. Aside from Resistance, there's nothing I really want to play on Vita anyway.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 08, 2012, 06:19:26 PM
With the PS Vita pretty much bombing in Japan, it's a little surprising that they are making the system look even less attractive in other regions. I know why they are doing it (to try and get people to waste money re-buying their games), but it's a stupid idea. I guess I am only surprised because Japan has the feature, otherwise I would have expected it since they didn't do it with the PSP Go either.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 08, 2012, 06:31:09 PM
Japan also got the hardware first. It seems like Sony gives Japan top priority. I guess it is no surprise, considering Sony themselves is headquartered in Japan. Still, gamers in other regions might take offense to that, and if they do its understandable. Why should non-Japanese consumers get pissed on?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on February 08, 2012, 08:56:58 PM
Japan also made up a majority (if not a SUPER-majority) of PSP sales.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 09, 2012, 02:24:02 AM
Japan also made up a majority (if not a SUPER-majority) of PSP sales.
Yes, but that came after Sony gave Japan top billing with that as well. According to Wikipedia PSP launched on December 14, 2004 in Japan which was months ahead of its launch in NA and almost a year before it launched in PAL regions. So it looks like the Vita launch is more or less a repeat of how the PSP's launch went down.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Oblivion on February 13, 2012, 12:18:45 AM
So, I played around with it today. It's better awesome, actually.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 13, 2012, 01:09:25 AM
Also seems like Kaz is planning on putting the Vita OS into smart phones and tablets too. http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/12/2793065/sony-vita-os-smartphones-tablets
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Sony’s soon-to-be President and CEO, Kazuo Hirai, has hinted that the company is investigating porting the Vita OS to other mobile devices like smartphones and tablets. Japanese site AV Watch reported on Friday that Hirai told reporters at a Q&A session that the company doesn’t want us to forget Vita OS as a mobile (i.e. not just gaming) platform. The report goes on to quote SCE’s Senior Vice President Yoshio Matsumoto as saying, "if you’re asking if we’ve made it in a way that’s expandable, so that it’s possible to apply to smartphones and tablets on top of achieving the high responsiveness we need for gaming devices — it is possible," hedging his comment with, "that doesn’t mean that we’re applying it to smartphones and tablets at this point in time, but it’s been designed with expandability in mind."
and of course cell phone games coming to Vita too. so it's apparently going both ways.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on February 13, 2012, 01:51:51 AM
I read impressions on the Vita hardware in this month's Game Informer, and I'm really disappointed to read that the Vita does not allow you to use the back touchpad for menu navigation. You can't use the D-pad or analog nubs for that, either. That's a big negative for me, as one of the reasons I don't like touch screens is that I don't like to mess up my nice expensive screen with fingerprint smudges (and apparently the Vita attracts smudging like the PS3/PSP's cases attract dust). I'm definitely waiting for a hardware revision or firmware update that adds that before I pick one up.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on February 13, 2012, 08:11:51 AM
I can understand not being able to use the rear trackpad for menu navigation because it would be hard to tap specific things without an on-screen indicator (like the screen "bubbling up") of where your finger is though that seems like the solution right there, but not being able to use the d-pad or analog sticks is a very odd choice. I wonder if Sony will ever fix that because it's not necessarily broken, just inconvenient. I don't mind smudging the screen so much as I dislike accidentally tapping the wrong thing.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 13, 2012, 08:14:18 AM
If you are worried about smudges just use a stylus. Problem solved.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 13, 2012, 09:02:19 AM
Best solution - don't buy the PS Vita. No one else is, anyway. Wait until several months of horrible sales go by, the system gets fully hacked, and the price drops. Then buy one, if you must.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 13, 2012, 06:17:55 PM
I guess Sony really wanted to have it take off better here than it did in Japan (though it would help if they hadn't removed the UMD Passport program), they plan to spend around $50 million on advertising as it prepares to launch here.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on February 13, 2012, 06:58:50 PM
Well Sony announced what free "psn" game was coming with the 3G Launch Bundle--Super Stardust Delta and it's DLC pack. IGN has it's review as well as a few of the other games and more of them in a few more hours. Uncharted got an 8.5 from the but GS game it an 7.0 :(.
Some of the higher rated games where Ulimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, Modnation, and Wipeout. Army Corps and Hotshots hasn't been reviewed yet.
Also, Sony announced Motorstorm RC pricing in Europe at about $7, hopefully this game makes it over here sometime.
Compared to the 3DS this is still the better launchup but it's still lacking an AAA game.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Stogi on February 14, 2012, 05:22:10 AM
Umm Uncharted was their AAA game.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Kwolf on February 14, 2012, 05:37:51 PM
I've had the money set aside for a vita since before it was even called vita. Still planning on getting mine next week along with uncharted. Especially since I had an early preorder of uncharted for 40$. Still I'm not going to get all negative on sony about forcing touch when nintendo constantly does it to me also. Every time I go into the systems menu or something having to switch between buttons then to touch. I've just gotten used to it I guess.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 14, 2012, 05:45:31 PM
Not really trying to argue, but most of the 3DS menus support D-Pad and buttons for navigation. It's usually less convenient, but it's there.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on February 14, 2012, 06:18:52 PM
Continuing the trend of "why won't Sony just let me use buttons?", I was in my local GS today looking into a game I'm thinking about pre-ordering for March (Tales of Graces F), and they had a Vita demo unit. I have to say, holding the unit in my hands it is a pretty impressive piece of tech. It's surprisingly thin, thinner than my PSP 3000, and the screen is really impressive. I'm not a huge fan of the shoulder buttons, though, which are just as flimsy as their PSP counterparts. And the analog nubs just felt weird to me, responsive but also very loose-feeling.
Then I actually tried a few of the demos, and familiar issues started emerging. The load times for the Vita demos were pretty obscene, easily approaching a minute to get from the dashboard to a menu I could actually interact with. And none of the demos supported D-pad or button use while in their respective menus, though I was "assured" by the ever-knowledgeable GameStop person nearby....yes, I'll stop for a moment so we can all laugh.....that this was only the case in the demo versions. If this is the case, I don't know why Sony would have demos in their demo units that did not support touch AND traditional controls. It just turns me off from the handheld, so much that if Nintendo hadn't already spent most of the last few years irritating me it possibly could have pushed me to get a 3DS.
At least Uncharted looked good, I guess.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Kwolf on February 14, 2012, 06:27:52 PM
Pretty sure you have to touch screen in the system menu for setup though.. Today when traveling I took my 3ds and had to manually set up each wifi connection since it didn't automatically pick them up. Everytime I went into the internet settings I had to use touch screen. I could be wrong though. I think there are places in the E-Shop that also do this to me.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2012, 04:38:29 AM
Yeah, System Settings requires it. I rarely go in there, but if you regularly need to add Wi-Fi networks that makes sense. Most everything else works with buttons, though.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on February 15, 2012, 11:31:04 AM
I'm usually too lazy to take out the stylus because it's in a less convenient position than on the DSi. That's totally my problem and i'm not even going to try to make it seem like it's more than it is because it's not like my day is ruined by it or anything. I still like that Nintendo made using buttons an option. Being given choices is a win for everyone.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Stogi on February 15, 2012, 11:38:38 AM
Not for unborn fetuses..
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on February 15, 2012, 12:10:06 PM
They're not people yet. They don't count.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: nickmitch on February 15, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
I think we'll all remember this time in forum history and where we were when the PSVita thread got locked.
For the record: I lol'd
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 15, 2012, 02:56:54 PM
Vita is Latin for life, so the Vita system is not pro-choice, but rather pro-life (Vita). Its in the name. That's why it doesn't let you use buttons to navigate, because that would be pro-choice and therefore anti-vita.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2012, 03:31:21 PM
I swear, if you people make me lock this thread I'm banning whomever I feel is the most responsible for it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Kytim89 on February 15, 2012, 04:24:56 PM
Army Coprs of Hell for the Vita got a 4.5 out of 10 when reviewed in the latest issue of Game Informer. In fact, the reviewer for the game said that it could easily pass for a standard PSP game. I had high hopes for this game and wished it was a Wii U launch title.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Stogi on February 15, 2012, 04:25:37 PM
Ban Chozo. His joke was terrible.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on February 15, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
Uh, yeah... Of course, it does. Abortions for everyone.
Edit: Just to be clear since Chozo took my post seriously (smite, really?), I'm not serious about the abortions or fetuses not being people thing. Let's not go there. I don't want insano to have to lock this thread. And seriously, someone get Chozo a sarcasm detector...
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 15, 2012, 05:30:19 PM
Army Coprs of Hell for the Vita got a 4.5 out of 10 when reviewed in the latest issue of Game Informer. In fact, the reviewer for the game said that it could easily pass for a standard PSP game. I had high hopes for this game and wished it was a Wii U launch title.
If it ends up being a failure on the Vita there's a possibility it could get ported to other systems. But if it sucks is it really even worth messing with on any platform?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on February 15, 2012, 05:39:12 PM
Army Coprs of Hell for the Vita got a 4.5 out of 10 when reviewed in the latest issue of Game Informer. In fact, the reviewer for the game said that it could easily pass for a standard PSP game. I had high hopes for this game and wished it was a Wii U launch title.
Well, it sounds like a typical system launch title to me. Across all the console & handheld platforms ever released, I'd be stunned if there were more than a dozen or so "quality" launch titles that we didn't later look back on with derision. Everything else tends to be mediocre & gimmicky, like the new Uncharted game (which comes off to me as more like DS launch title Feel the Magic with its focus on gimmicks every time I see it). The Vita's launch is just so consistently unimpressive, with the possible exception of Escape Plan and Sound Shapes.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2012, 06:33:04 PM
Uh, yeah... Of course, it does. Abortions for everyone.
Edit: Just to be clear since Chozo took my post seriously (smite, really?), I'm not serious about the abortions or fetuses not being people thing. Let's not go there. I don't want insano to have to lock this thread. And seriously, someone get Chozo a sarcasm detector...
Abortions for some; miniature American flags for others.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on February 15, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Aliens? Abortion jokes? Massive bombas?
My god, JAMES JONES WAS RIGHT!!
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Stogi on February 15, 2012, 06:46:16 PM
Uh, yeah... Of course, it does. Abortions for everyone.
Edit: Just to be clear since Chozo took my post seriously (smite, really?), I'm not serious about the abortions or fetuses not being people thing. Let's not go there. I don't want insano to have to lock this thread. And seriously, someone get Chozo a sarcasm detector...
Abortions for some; miniature American flags for others.
+1
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: noname2200 on February 15, 2012, 07:08:55 PM
So trying to get this train back on the tracks... Looks like the Vita's launch in Australia's going to be quite a whimper.
"Bad news has come for bargain hunters in the lead-up to the launch of the PS Vita: Big W, Target and K-Mart will not be stocking the Sony handheld console.
Big W and Target said in emails they did not rule out stocking the console in the future, but they will not be available at launch.
“At this stage we are not stocking the PlayStation Vita, however it may be something that we stock at a later date,” read a statement from Big W and Target. K-Mart stated they will not be stocking the PS Vita at all because they are leaning towards products with lower prices.
It is unclear at the moment whether the retailers have made a choice to not stock the handheld console or if Sony has played a role in this. Sony Computer Entertainment Australia has gone on record with Jason Hill from the Sydney Morning Herald as saying that the Vita is “clearly targeted at the core gamer”. It is uncertain if this means that Sony only wants the Vita to be stocked at specialty retailers and excluded from department stores. Whatever the reason, the Vita not being visible at these three retailers is a strange move. Curiously, citing the cost of the Vita as a reason for not stocking it holds little water when the iPad is sold at these stores now, at a much higher price point than even the most expensive Vita SKU.
A secondary repercussion of this move is that gamers will be affected when it comes to looking for the best price for the Vita, with fewer stores fighting it out to offer competitive prices. Big W is especially known for not releasing prices on new devices up until release day and undercutting everyone. Without the discount chains, punters will be left paying whatever EB, GAME, JB and other retailers charge.
Sony has also dropped the price of the 3G Vita by $30 to $419.95 (when purchased with a Vodafone sim card, from Vodafone) just a week before launch. The price of the Wi-Fi unit remains unchanged at $349.95 — that’s same price the Nintendo 3DS launched at before the price was dropped after its terrible launch performance.
We have contacted Sony for comment and will update when we hear from them. " ____________________________________________________________________________________________
Although if I'm not mistaken, didn't the largest retailer in Australia refuse to stock the Wii and DS when they launched? I guess it's not quite a deathblow.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 15, 2012, 11:58:48 PM
Major Publisher(s) Cancelling ALL Vita games and moving to 3DS Development? Sony says: You are exaggerating..... http://gamasutra.com/view/news/40335/Is_Vita_losing_developer_support_already_Sony_responds.php (http://gamasutra.com/view/news/40335/Is_Vita_losing_developer_support_already_Sony_responds.php)
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In a story that went up on Nikkei's website today, written by Kiyoshi Shin, the head of Japan's IGDA branch, an unnamed source from the Japanese game industry says that "Major Japanese companies are canceling all projects intended for the Vita and are changing development to the 3DS."
original source (http://www.nikkei.com/tech/personal/article/g=96958A9C93819499E3E6E2E0878DE3E6E2E0E0E2E3E0E2E2E2E2E2E2;p=9694E3EAE3E0E0E2E2EBE0E4E2E7)
This is when the sound of grown men crying become like sweet music to one's ears.
Price Drop Incoming or Clearance bins for all!?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on February 16, 2012, 12:06:16 AM
While I think a Price Drop is definitely Incoming due to just how ridiculously expensive Sony has made Vita purchases (given the games, the unit, the 3G payment plan for that model, and the memory cards), I think it far more likely that we'll just see a lot of multi-handheld projects this generation. I think we're seeing the cancelation of Vita-only projects and the birth of Vita/3DS projects now (with 3DS being the lead platform). We'll see what happens when Japan's big Monster Hunter obsession hits the Vita, of course.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 16, 2012, 12:19:54 AM
Major Publisher(s) Cancelling ALL Vita games and moving to 3DS Development? Sony says: You are exaggerating..... http://gamasutra.com/view/news/40335/Is_Vita_losing_developer_support_already_Sony_responds.php (http://gamasutra.com/view/news/40335/Is_Vita_losing_developer_support_already_Sony_responds.php)
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In a story that went up on Nikkei's website today, written by Kiyoshi Shin, the head of Japan's IGDA branch, an unnamed source from the Japanese game industry says that "Major Japanese companies are canceling all projects intended for the Vita and are changing development to the 3DS."
original source (http://www.nikkei.com/tech/personal/article/g=96958A9C93819499E3E6E2E0878DE3E6E2E0E0E2E3E0E2E2E2E2E2E2;p=9694E3EAE3E0E0E2E2EBE0E4E2E7)
This is when the sound of grown men crying become like sweet music to one's ears.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on February 16, 2012, 07:48:24 AM
Anyone want to guess at the US launch numbers? 3DS sold around 500K during it's first two weeks and people are mostly placing the Vita along the 220k mark.
Gravity Daze(Rush) was reviewed quite well in Japan (93% avg among the top 3 review mags) so that might be the first AAA game. Didn't make it in time for launch but it's suppose to release some time first quarter maybe eariy second quarter.
As for the Vita failing, well it's a bit early to wave the flag but Sony needs to do something in Japan and it needs to be sooner than later. Getting outsold by the 3ds 5 to 1 weekly would make anyone think twice about supporting it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on February 16, 2012, 08:08:56 AM
Way to NOT sell your handheld.
The PSV will only be available from specialist retailers for the Australian launch (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/40342/PS_Vita_only_available_from_specialist_retailers_at_Australian_launch.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+News%29).
“At this stage we are not stocking the PlayStation Vita, however it may be something that we stock at a later date,” read a statement from Big W and Target. K-Mart stated they will not be stocking the PS Vita at all because they are leaning towards products with lower prices.
Sony's response:
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For the launch of PlayStation Vita in Australia, with the specific target market being the active gamer we have chosen to launch the console with a focussed retail channel strategy across national specialist game and specialist technology retailers. There is a long term vision for our revolutionary new hand-held platform, in the same way we had a long term vision for PS3, and anticipate that in line with this we will broaden channel distribution in the future.
"We are not retreating, we are advancing in another direction!".
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on February 16, 2012, 08:26:21 AM
Don't most Aussie import anyhow? I mean the Vita is listed nearly double what it is here in the states even after paying shipping and taxes it's still cheaper to get it from the good ole US then buying it local.
The Vita isn't regional lock like the 3ds so import away and save.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on February 16, 2012, 08:35:07 AM
@Ymeegod
What can Sony do though? I don't know if a similar strategy as Nintendo's Ambassador Program and price drop will have the same effect for Vita. Nintendo had 30 years worth of games to select 20 from whereas Sony has been rereleasing remastered compilations of their PS2 games. Giving these away for free is counterproductive. While that never stopped Sony before, it doesn't solve anything. Will anyone really get excited if Sony offered a few PS1 1st party titles. I can only think of a single 1st party title I really liked (Twisted Metal 2) and like most of the NES Ambassador titles, it hasn't aged gracefully.
On top of that, does Sony really have any exclusive killer apps coming up? Nintendo had 3 last year, 1 was a remaster of one of the most popular games of all time. Unlike 3DS, Vita at least had 1 really strong launch title but even that doesn't seem to be enough.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on February 16, 2012, 08:54:40 AM
I think a better tack for Sony is to leverage what they have in term of media might. Any PSN game that can run on the Vita should run on the Vita, which should be all of them that doesn't use the camera in some way. You should be able to to just have all the PSN games, Video, and Music you've bought from Sony work on the Vita. Let's take this one step further. Have something that will take your Blu-Ray movie and put it on your vita for you to watch for x amount of time. Let the Vita be your extra PS3 Controller. The Passport program needs to be here as well. Every version gets the lowest memory card.
None of this is rocket science. Its not time for drastic measures. Closer to the Holiday season would be.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on February 16, 2012, 09:06:23 AM
Let's take this one step further. Have something that will take your Blu-Ray movie and put it on your vita for you to watch for x amount of time.
Can Sony do this without movie studio support? Some movies come with a digital copy and they're typically $5 extra. I don't know if Sony can just enable this without indirectly promoting piracy. Someone would totally crack that within days to circumvent the "x amount of times" limit. It's a great idea in theory but it could end up being a total nightmare for Sony.
I like your memory card idea. It really should have been Sony's idea the very second they decided not to use SD cards.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on February 16, 2012, 09:31:46 AM
Just like with the PSN network issue, Sony could give people PSP/PSN games free of charge. There's plenty of titles to choose from and you don't have to do anything to get them to play on the Vita meaning Sony wouldn't have to dish out any additional cash. Or they could even to a voucher to an upcoming game (which I would rather have myself). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to say about upcoming exclusives but I imagine there's going be the expected games like God Of War something or other, Gran Turismo, Little Big Planet, ect.
There's plenty of director cut ports, which is basically the same as Legend of Zelda OoT 3D, like Persona 4 the Golden, Tales of Innocence R, or Monster hunter p3.
And lastly does exclusive matter? Vita recieving tons of ports, some with additional content like Street Fighter X Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Ninja Gaiden, Rayman, ect.
A few games that I'm interested in are a few cult hitters like the next Little King Story and valkyria chronicles 3 (which was an PSP game that never released stateside due to high-piracy rate).
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: ejamer on February 16, 2012, 09:56:20 AM
After finally getting my hands on a Vita last night, it was kind of disappointing. Solid piece of kit, but somehow I expected something more... exciting. The OLED screen that people have been drooling over wasn't really anything special. Also, I still don't care for the form factor even though it did feel better than the hulking PSP that came before it. (Is Vita really a good bit smaller, or was that just my imagination?)
Major Publisher(s) Cancelling ALL Vita games and moving to 3DS Development?
I have to admit, after seeing this happen to Nintendo generation after generation its nice to finally see the tables being turned for a change.
And yet Nintendo has always been fine and continues to successfully put out games and systems that are worth buying. I don't believe this report, anymore than I believed early reports that 3DS was doomed. It's probably just exaggeration and hyperbole... Vita will be fine.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on February 16, 2012, 09:59:23 AM
I think exclusives matter. Vita is getting a ton of ports but I already have a PS3 which I'd rather play these games on. I'm not going to buy new hardware to play games I already have access to. With the exception of Ocarina of Time 3D (depending on how you look at it), none of the games I own on 3DS are available anywhere else. Had they been released on the Wii, I absolutely never would have bought a 3DS.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on February 16, 2012, 10:05:59 AM
I'm to the point in my Life where I can't monopolize the TV. If you told me that I can do everything I can do on the PS3 and transfer all my Disc based PS3 games to play on the Vita I would have bought one.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on February 16, 2012, 10:13:20 AM
While I prefer playing on a tv, the idea of transferring games is enticing. Unfortunately, I doubt Sony would ever allow that. You'd have to re-purchase all of your existing titles and get 2 versions of any future game. I barely have the money for Vita now so I certainly don't have the money to be double dipping.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Stogi on February 16, 2012, 10:14:03 AM
Otherwise, I have a hard time believing your claims. ;)
Seriously, GBA Micro is one of my favorite portable systems ever because it actually is portable. DS Lite/DSi/3DS isn't terrible... but is the absolute biggest that will fit comfortably in my pocket. PSP is only portable if you are carrying a bag. Vita seems smaller, but still not something that I could envision carrying with me on a daily basis.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on February 16, 2012, 11:55:27 AM
I'm pretty sure from my time with the demo unit that you can't fit a Vita in your pocket, either, unless you're MC Hammer.
If you were MC Hammer, you wouldn't need to fit a Vita in your pocket since no one could touch it anyway. /bad joke
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on February 16, 2012, 11:56:57 AM
And Adrock, Ceric was talking about Remote play which allows you to do just that, play PS3 games on Vita. Right now I'm not sure which games have that feature but hackers couldn't wait and had games like BF3 up and running. However this wouldn't make the unit portable since the PS3 is running the game not Vita.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 16, 2012, 11:57:51 AM
And Adrock, Ceric was talking about Remote play which allows you to do just that, play PS3 games on Vita. Right now I'm not sure which games have that feature but hackers couldn't wait and had games like BF3 up and running. However this wouldn't make the unit portable since the PS3 is running the game not Vita.
Ah, I see. I thought he meant literally taking his PS3 library and transferring it onto Vita to take places which seemed odd to me because PS3 games like God of War III and Uncharted 2 are huge.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Stogi on February 16, 2012, 12:16:36 PM
I'm pretty sure from my time with the demo unit that you can't fit a Vita in your pocket, either, unless you're MC Hammer.
If you were MC Hammer, you wouldn't need to fit a Vita in your pocket since no one could touch it anyway. /bad joke
That was far worse than my Vita joke yesterday.
No its not.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on February 16, 2012, 12:36:53 PM
" Cross Platform Play: 2 Consoles, 1 Price You do get somethings for free. Sony has announced that when PlayStation Vita launches on 22 February you will be able to download MotorStorm RC, Hustle Kings, Top Darts, WipEout HD and HD Fury DLC for WipEout 2048 and Capcom's, Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 DLC on the PlayStation Store that will let you play them on both PS3 and PS Vita for one price.
And if you already own any of the above games on your PS3, you will be able to download the equivalent software to your PS Vita for free, and vice versa. So there's no longer any need to purchase the same content twice.
It's all a part of Sony's push to stress the relationship between the two consoles, and the importance of Cross Platform Play, which lets players compete against one another regardless of which console they choose to play on.
---------------------------- Right now it says DLC so I wonder if it's just the packs are you can get the packs and game? Found out it's talking about DLC packs for the PS3 games :(. The PSN games will be able to download to both devices and play like Motorstorm RC. This Cross-play is the feature I want to see the most.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 16, 2012, 01:07:59 PM
I'm pretty sure from my time with the demo unit that you can't fit a Vita in your pocket, either, unless you're MC Hammer.
If you were MC Hammer, you wouldn't need to fit a Vita in your pocket since no one could touch it anyway. /bad joke
That was far worse than my Vita joke yesterday.
No its not.
In my opinion it is.
But you have a clear bias. As an impartial observer, I have to side with Stogi, and since I'm the Sheriff 'round these parts, making my word the law, you are therefore objectively wrong.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on February 16, 2012, 03:23:00 PM
I mean literally have my PS3 game on the go. The problem with Streaming them is that I'm fairly sure you can't be using the PS3 while playing a game through Remote Play. Also I can't play them in the car.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 16, 2012, 04:01:47 PM
I'm pretty sure from my time with the demo unit that you can't fit a Vita in your pocket, either, unless you're MC Hammer.
If you were MC Hammer, you wouldn't need to fit a Vita in your pocket since no one could touch it anyway. /bad joke
That was far worse than my Vita joke yesterday.
No its not.
In my opinion it is.
But you have a clear bias. As an impartial observer, I have to side with Stogi, and since I'm the Sheriff 'round these parts, making my word the law, you are therefore objectively wrong.
Yeah, but you have a bias too because you don't like me.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: ejamer on February 16, 2012, 04:06:10 PM
Did I miss the outrage about Uncharted Vita being $50, or are people OK with the pricing since it's on a Sony system? All of the Canadian flyers I've seen advertise it as $10 more expensive than the "average" Vita game. Maybe this is a Canada-only screw job?
For a relatively short game with no online multiplayer mode included, this seems rather high. Considering the internet bitching about RE:Rev, I don't see how this has gone over so easily.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 16, 2012, 04:15:32 PM
I just looked at the US Amazon and it has Uncharted for Vita at $50 as well, so it's not Canada-only. While I was there I noticed some Vita games, like Hot Shots Golf, going for $30, as well.
I personally don't mind variable pricing as long as it swings both ways, but I also didn't know Uncharted was $50 until you posted that, so the lack of outrage may just be due to people not paying attention.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on February 16, 2012, 06:44:17 PM
Well you missed my posts in sales but Toys R US is have $20 GC for every $50 spent so you can still get it for $30. Hell I only paid $27 but that deal is now dead. If you visit the site cheapassgamer.com (http://www.cheapassgamer.com) there's even an Canada section now (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56). I know Bestbuy Canada was giving away Free copy of the game wtih pre-order but that deal has ended.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Shaymin on February 16, 2012, 06:47:09 PM
If it's "as good as console Uncharted" and it's $10 cheaper than grabbing Uncharted 3 on day 1, I don't think a lot of people will care. Plus, it's $45 on PSN.
I think people are too busy b****hing about the memory card pricing to complain about the game pricing.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 16, 2012, 07:19:17 PM
The reviews I have seen say that Uncharted is a good game, but nowhere near as good as the console ones (and that some of the touch controls seem tacked on)..
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: ejamer on February 16, 2012, 10:53:08 PM
The reviews I have seen say that Uncharted is a good game, but nowhere near as good as the console ones (and that some of the touch controls seem tacked on)..
Plus it's been called short in multiple reviews, and lacks online or additional modes as incentive to keep playing. I'm not against premium pricing, but it seems like a stretch when you are getting a game with limited incentive to keep playing past the basic campaign - even if this is the marquee name associated with Vita launch.
... I personally don't mind variable pricing as long as it swings both ways, but I also didn't know Uncharted was $50 until you posted that, so the lack of outrage may just be due to people not paying attention.
Good point about variable pricing. I agree, and don't really mind games coming out at $50 when they are premium titles. It was just a surprise that nobody anywhere mentioned this after RE:Rev seemed to take heat for selling at the same price (despite that game also being a major franchise and including online multiplayer).
Maybe sale pricing took some of the bite off - although RE:Rev could also be preordered for $35 or potentially less if you shopped around and watched for deals. Maybe Vita consumers aren't price-sensitive enough to care. Maybe people expect Vita to be a "home console in your hand" type of experience and don't mind paying the same price as home console releases. Maybe Capcom already set the expectation that portable games can cost more and people were more prepared this time around. Maybe gamers just had enough other minor details to bitch about.
One thing that doesn't help is a $5 discount for buying online, when that leaves you without the option to sell/loan/transfer the game to anyone else afterwards - especially for games that are short to begin with.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on February 17, 2012, 10:19:09 AM
I'm with Insanolord on this one. The reason why RE was such an uproar is because the base price of ALL 3DS games was $40 for a while. We all know that more then a few of those should have maxed out at $30. What happened was it became accepted that $40 was the 3DS game price. No fluctuation. Good and the bad. When Rev was going to be $50 it was an outlier in a flat chart.
Now lets look at the Vita. Games range from $30-$50 from the get go. Establishing the mindset that is the range Vita games will be. As long as games just travel within that range and average out in a common collection to the $40 mark it doesn't seem like someone is trying to do something out of the norm with there prices.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 17, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
" Cross Platform Play: 2 Consoles, 1 Price You do get somethings for free. Sony has announced that when PlayStation Vita launches on 22 February you will be able to download MotorStorm RC, Hustle Kings, Top Darts, WipEout HD and HD Fury DLC for WipEout 2048 and Capcom's, Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 DLC on the PlayStation Store that will let you play them on both PS3 and PS Vita for one price.
And if you already own any of the above games on your PS3, you will be able to download the equivalent software to your PS Vita for free, and vice versa. So there's no longer any need to purchase the same content twice.
It's all a part of Sony's push to stress the relationship between the two consoles, and the importance of Cross Platform Play, which lets players compete against one another regardless of which console they choose to play on.
---------------------------- Right now it says DLC so I wonder if it's just the packs are you can get the packs and game? Found out it's talking about DLC packs for the PS3 games :(. The PSN games will be able to download to both devices and play like Motorstorm RC. This Cross-play is the feature I want to see the most.
Hey this is pretty cool. Sony is doing something right with this. I hope Nintendo decides to move this direction with its Virtual Console games. This is a great idea that makes the Vita a much more viable option when you pair it with a PS3.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: leahsdad on March 12, 2012, 06:42:34 AM
Okay, does anyone on the forums here own a Vita?
I'm curious about the load times, specifically. I was at the mall with my family today and, while passing by a Sony store, saw a Vita demo station with no one in front of it. I told my wife "Go ahead and get your free chocolate of the month at Godiva. I will be there in literally 2 minutes." So I rush in, check out the Vita, and load up a game (Wipeout).
There there was a loading screen. A loading screen that was taking so long that I could literally see the single digits change where it said "Loading 1%, 2%, 3%...." By the time the game was loaded, my 2 minutes of freedom were up and I had to get back to my wife and kids before they went crazy for chocolate.
Now, that was a demo station, and I noticed that the Vita had must have had some kind of demo software in it (with a selection of games to try, including Uncharted). Are these horrific loading times limited to these demo stations, or would I experience these same loading times if I actually bought a Vita and bought a copy of Wipeout?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on March 12, 2012, 06:50:58 AM
Yeah, loading times are awful for some games, wipeout takes a minute or so and more patches are no the way.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on March 12, 2012, 08:28:26 AM
That's a shame. The lack of load times was one of the main benefits of card based media. Doesn't Vita have more RAM than the PS3? I feel like load times shouldn't be worse on hardware that doesn't use discs and has more RAM. Maybe developers just need more time to get used to the hardware.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: oohhboy on March 12, 2012, 08:50:45 AM
Here is the Eurogamer article (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-how-fast-are-vita-memory-cards) on Load times and Memory cards. Long story short. Sony fucked up. The speeds and loading time you get from the PSV is some sort of sick joke.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 12, 2012, 11:40:13 AM
Sony hardware has always suffered atrocious load times. I used to think it was just because they used optical media, but then the Gamecube came out and it used optical media but its load times weren't bad, and now there is the Vita which doesn't even use optical media at all but it has arguably worse load times. So what gives?
Sony always slaps in high tech stuff like cell processors and all that to make their systems the most powerful on the block, but despite all that power you still have to wait for it to do its thing before you can play.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 12, 2012, 11:53:34 AM
Long load times = features.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ceric on March 12, 2012, 12:03:05 PM
Here is the Eurogamer article (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-how-fast-are-vita-memory-cards) on Load times and Memory cards. Long story short. Sony fucked up. The speeds and loading time you get from the PSV is some sort of sick joke.
That's terrible.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 12, 2012, 01:26:19 PM
Long load times are the video game equivalent of commercials or intermission. It gives you the time to get up and go take a whiz or grab something to eat.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Adrock on March 12, 2012, 01:39:29 PM
That's what a pause button is for. Sony needs to stop trying to dictate when I use the bathroom.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Ymeegod on March 12, 2012, 03:04:09 PM
That's why I usually use standby instead of kicking it back to main menu. Drains power but I never have to spend time loading the game. For the most part it's just the inital loading that takes awhile, changing levels isn't or restarting isn't much of an issue since it's like 10 second or less for the most part.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: elviacannon on April 02, 2012, 05:41:10 AM
i goona buy it but not sure about the battery time of it. as it load of power underneath that 5-inch OLED hood. [/size]and how well [/color][/size][/color][/size]3G-connected.[/color]
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 04, 2012, 10:22:45 PM
I think watching Major League just now may have sold me a Vita and a copy of MLB The Show.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 04, 2012, 10:25:16 PM
Why would a 23 year old movie make you want to buy a PS Vita?
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 04, 2012, 10:38:21 PM
The movie got me excited for baseball season, which made me want to buy a baseball game. I spend most of my time these days with handheld systems, and no one has seen fit to make a baseball game (sim, at least) for the 3DS, and I was already somewhat interested in a Vita anyway.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 04, 2012, 11:59:36 PM
No baseball game could ever be better than the real thing. Summer is coming up, so why waste it playing video games? Get out there and play ball!
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 05, 2012, 12:56:32 AM
I don't have 17 other people and all the necessary equipment with which to play it anywhere near regularly.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Hey Einstein! on April 05, 2012, 11:44:11 AM
Hello folks, so I just got a Vita at the weekend because I had a lot of trade-in credit at a UK store and they dropped their pre owned price by £25 on Saturday.
So far I like the screen, the Dpad and the PSN offers on old PSP games. But in just about every other respect I prefer my 3DS. To the point where I found myself subconsciously reaching to the side of the console to adjust the 3D slider!
The main thing is that I much prefer the circle sliders to the Vita analog sticks. I was amazed when I played my old PSP mini of Pacman CE on the Vita at just how badly the analog sticks fair. They are actually worse then the old PSP nub for this game. Same goes for Whose That Flying (which if you haven't check out, please do. It is awesome. Apart from the IOS version). I never thought anything could be worse then the nub!
Also, the back touch pad is stupid, worst control input since the number key pads on the Atari Jaguar & Intellivision. To easy to touch by mistake, to in accurate to be useful.
Lastly, the Uncharted demo gave me a nostalgic feeling for the early days of the DS when devs shoe horned in questionable touch inputs just because they could.
So what do I intend to play on this beast? Easy: Tactics Ogre and Super Stardust Delta. Yay!
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2012, 07:47:59 PM
Who wants to bet that this won't be announced for Wii U @ E3?
Who wants to bet that certain people will bitch about each and every game (no matter how minor) they don't get on Wii U and disregard how many they do? ::) Let's see how developers react to the Wii U once Nintendo actually gives people a reason to buy it.
As for Jet Set Radio, "whatever." I didn't own a Dreamcast and it's a game about graffiti-tagging skateboarders, so this game really doesn't interest me. Considering how many people didn't own a Dreamcast, I doubt the game will sell all that spectacularly now, either.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2012, 08:03:51 PM
Yes, that a game a lot of people want to see resurrected is actually coming to Vita (OMG the VITA is getting a game!?), when previously we only knew it to be coming to XBLA and possibly PSN.
and it was rumored that a JSR game was being made for Wii U and Vita a while back but was cancelled when Sega was having some restructuring issues. This is better than nothing. http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725544#msg725544
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 26, 2012, 08:46:52 PM
I hope the other Dreamcast ports come to Vita too.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: broodwars on May 26, 2012, 08:49:38 PM
I hope the other Dreamcast ports come to Vita too.
Eh, Skies of Arcadia Legends on Vita & PS3 would be pretty sweet and I'd enjoy playing Crazy Taxi again if it had the original soundtrack (the current PSN version doesn't), but that's really all Sega put out on the Dreamcast/GCN that interests me on modern systems. And I imagine that Skies of Arcadia Legends is probably destined to be a Virtual Console title at some point, so it's not that big a deal if it doesn't. Besides, I still have my GameCube version.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 26, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
I would certainly buy the Shenmue games, and the soundtrack doesn't bother me in Crazy Taxi on 360. And maybe it's just nostalgia (and it almost certainly is), I still enjoy Sonic Adventure.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: Uncle_Optimus on May 27, 2012, 12:34:44 AM
Was really enjoying Skies of Arcadia on the DC back in the day but eventually the random encounter rate turned me off. Sega sure has a ton of great game properties in cold storage. Number 1 I would love to see make a comeback: Panzer Dragoon. Seriously just pimp out the existing games with HD graphics and some online modes, do what ya gotta do to bring that great series back at a reasonable budget.
Title: Re: PlayStation Vita (PS Vita) - previously known as NGP
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 27, 2012, 12:38:07 AM
With all the Dreamcast games and Radiant Silvergun showing up on XBLA, I wouldn't be surprised if the Panzer Dragoon games end up there as well. In fact, if I were doing E3 predictions for the other systems, an announcement of that would probably make it onto my list as a reasonably likely flier.
