Post by: Ceric on July 03, 2006, 06:55:34 AM
The best part of the whole thing is:
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"The glaring weakness of the PlayStation 3 is price, especially when compared to the competition," said the report. "Sony has done very little to justify why the system is worth a premium price for consumers that don't care about raw hardware performance and are not hard-core audio/visual consumers. Unfortunately we believe that represents over 90% of the consumers in the marketplace."
Those last two sentences.
They are also being hit on Taxes:
Sony et al. Hit on taxes.
and press like this:
Negative Japanese Press
I wouldn't want to be Sony or there Spin Machine right now.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 03, 2006, 11:29:03 AM
They should have kept Ken "Child Molester" Kutaragi on a much tighter leash than this and the price is just insane.
Post by: mantidor on July 03, 2006, 02:23:07 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2006, 03:26:53 PM
Post by: ThePerm on July 03, 2006, 03:53:45 PM
Post by: Guitar Smasher on July 03, 2006, 05:37:08 PM
Post by: capamerica on July 03, 2006, 05:40:18 PM
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A news story on financial website Bloomberg.com indicated that last week Sony took out an ¥80 billion ($698 million) three-year floating-rate bank loan, as PlayStation 3 production expenses loom.
The report noted that Sony confirmed that the loan, which came from more than 20 Japanese lenders, was made “to diversify funding sources”, and represented the company's first bank borrowing in 10 years.
According to the report, Sony “tapped the country's expanding syndicated loan market as it offered a cheaper source of cash at a time when investors in corporate debt are demanding higher yields before an expected rise in Japanese interest rates this year.” The company is ramping up production on multiple products this year, with its PlayStation 3 next-gen console, including the company's Blu-ray disc format, perhaps key.
Not a good sign..
Post by: capamerica on July 03, 2006, 05:41:24 PM
Post by: Ages on July 03, 2006, 06:13:34 PM
Wouldnt that all but negate backwards compatibility to the PSOne? Also, since DVD is BC with CD, I'd imagine that BRD, being BC with DVD would also be BC with CD. (arent acronym's great?)
Post by: Kairon on July 03, 2006, 06:21:33 PM
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Post by: Ceric on July 03, 2006, 06:57:47 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 04, 2006, 02:15:17 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 06, 2006, 06:42:48 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Sony's attitude is perfectly understandable. They aren't game designers and don't care about games, their main priority right now is to get blue-ray to be the dominant media in the future, and if this is achievable by putting the playstation at risk by adding to the price tag so be it. Even if all this decisions are really dumb I don't see how sony could be doing anything differently, unless they'd completly change the direction and objective of the company.
You know, this is an interesting way of looking at it. However, the opposite side of the coin, which Sony probably should have looked at at some point, is that video games have become one of the company's bigget money makers. I don't know the situation right now, but according to a CNN Money episode I saw several years ago, video games were responsible for almost 1/3 of Sony's earnings. That's a big chunk of business to gamble on becoming king of a media format.
Post by: Requiem on July 06, 2006, 06:51:06 AM
Post by: capamerica on July 06, 2006, 07:03:12 AM
Post by: Requiem on July 06, 2006, 07:36:24 AM
Is this the last format they will ever create?
If BRD fails, will Sony file for bancruptcy?
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 06, 2006, 08:43:50 AM
I just can't see Sony taking out a loan to start production of the PS3 and sell them at a lose. There would be no means of recovering from that...UNLESS Sony did achieve market dominance with the Blue Ray Discs.
If that happens, then Sony will be fine.
If Sony files for bankruptcy will some other company buy them out? Or would they sell part of the company and split the business up? It would be interesting if Nintendo absorbed the gaming departments of Sony.
HA!!!
Post by: Jin-X on July 06, 2006, 09:07:23 AM
Post by: capamerica on July 06, 2006, 09:17:51 AM
Sony is putting their life on the line in hopes that the Playstation name can keep them in the #1 spot. I don't see it happening.
Blu-Ray is off to a bad start. Right now a Blu-Ray player is double the price of a HD-DVD player and on top of that the quality of the first batch of Blu-Ray movies are pretty poor. When you compare HD-DVD next to Blu-Ray, HD-DVD looks 10x better and its very notesable which is very surprising since Blu-Ray has more storage space and Sony kept promoting that it was better quality.
Post by: vudu on July 06, 2006, 10:17:48 AM
QuoteOut of curiosity, does Sony have any successful formats? Did they make cassette tapes or DVD's or anything like that?
Originally posted by: capamerica
I recently found out Sony has had alot more then 3 Failed media formats. SACD, MicroMV, HiFD, and Elcaset are also failed Sony media formats and on top of that you also have the unpopular video formats like Video8, Hi-8 and Digital8 that also didn't take off that well.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 06, 2006, 11:04:11 AM
Sony Memory Sticks continue the "i'll do things my way (on my products)" mentality tradition. Higher prices for bearing the Sony brand name ensue.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 06, 2006, 11:18:55 AM
I seem to recall that being because of a bad player, they both use the same codecs and everything.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 06, 2006, 12:03:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
Especially since Sony has failed to launch a media format 3 times in a row! (beta, minidisc, UMD)
My thoughts precisely.
This is what should be known in the business world as a "Hail Mary": they're betting the house on this one and if it fails (which as history shows us, it WILL), it's game over.
Can anyone name a time when the most expensive console, facing stiff competition, ever succeeded?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 06, 2006, 07:52:26 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 07, 2006, 12:41:06 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 07, 2006, 01:23:04 PM
*dittos the question of Blu-ray vs. HD DVD sales*
Post by: SixthAngel on July 07, 2006, 02:05:37 PM
Couch monkey is right about the most expensive always being a pretty obvious failure but PS3 is counting on the brand recognition they didn't have. To me PS3 is riding 100% on brand recognition and I think it will barely carry them farther then these past expensive consoles.
Post by: BigJim on July 07, 2006, 03:08:20 PM
But the best basic data available is that sales are only in the tens of thousands combined, and that, for what its worth HDDVD is likely ahead since it launched earlier and is cheaper. Too early to tell.
Post by: Requiem on July 07, 2006, 03:52:45 PM
So basically until HD sets drop drastically in price (and make SD cheapness a non-factor) will HD-DVD's be embraced like DVD's.
Post by: Ceric on July 08, 2006, 07:52:42 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 08, 2006, 10:51:52 AM
4 years until they are commonly accepted as being like SACD and DVDA.
Post by: Louieturkey on July 09, 2006, 07:21:46 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
When you compare HD-DVD next to Blu-Ray, HD-DVD looks 10x better and its very notesable which is very surprising since Blu-Ray has more storage space and Sony kept promoting that it was better quality.
I seem to recall that being because of a bad player, they both use the same codecs and everything.
This is true. The HDMI slot on the Samsung player is processing the video stream incorrectly. digitalbits.com did a comparison with the yet-to-be-released Pioneer Elite player and there was a huge difference in quality on the same discs with the two players. Using the Pioneer player, HDdvd and Bluray are on par with each other. To get close to this picture on the Samsung player, you need to use the component out as the analog flag has yet to be introduced to either bluray or hddvd. When they did component on the Samsung player and HDMI on the Pioneer player, the quality was near the same. Most people would not notice the difference.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 09, 2006, 12:10:57 PM
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Originally posted by: LouieturkeyQuote
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
When you compare HD-DVD next to Blu-Ray, HD-DVD looks 10x better and its very notesable which is very surprising since Blu-Ray has more storage space and Sony kept promoting that it was better quality.
I seem to recall that being because of a bad player, they both use the same codecs and everything.
This is true. The HDMI slot on the Samsung player is processing the video stream incorrectly. digitalbits.com did a comparison with the yet-to-be-released Pioneer Elite player and there was a huge difference in quality on the same discs with the two players. Using the Pioneer player, HDdvd and Bluray are on par with each other. To get close to this picture on the Samsung player, you need to use the component out as the analog flag has yet to be introduced to either bluray or hddvd. When they did component on the Samsung player and HDMI on the Pioneer player, the quality was near the same. Most people would not notice the difference.
Wait a second, let's say you are right about Bluray being comparable to HD-DVD when using the HDMI slot. If that is the case, then why in the world is Bluray 2xs the price of HDDVD when they are comparable in quality?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 09, 2006, 05:44:20 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 09, 2006, 05:54:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Because Sony believes their R&D is more important and they probably spent more money in R&D only to get comparable results. And the name "Sony" is quite expensive anyway.
Doesn't sound like a good reason to me, but it is Sony who we are talking about. I think the bluray really shows how arrogant Sony has become, to release an already expensive medium (HD DVD drive) at double the price of the competitor is ridiculous.
Post by: EasyCure on July 09, 2006, 07:05:15 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Ok lets say it take 4 years for the formats to get to the point of common acceptance.
4 years until they are commonly accepted as being like SACD and DVDA.
you guys lost me when this started becoming a hd-dvd and brd discussion (which i thought there was already a thread for anyways) but that last line threw me off. the only DVDA i know is trey parkers band and what it stands for is pretty sick. i doubt thats what you meant but now im tottally gone in this thread.
Post by: Kairon on July 09, 2006, 07:28:58 PM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 09, 2006, 07:31:07 PM
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Originally posted by: EasyCureQuote
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Ok lets say it take 4 years for the formats to get to the point of common acceptance.
4 years until they are commonly accepted as being like SACD and DVDA.
you guys lost me when this started becoming a hd-dvd and brd discussion (which i thought there was already a thread for anyways) but that last line threw me off. the only DVDA i know is trey parkers band and what it stands for is pretty sick. i doubt thats what you meant but now im tottally gone in this thread.
My sarcasm radar is picking up multiple aircraft.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 09, 2006, 09:19:30 PM
Quotewhat Pro said
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Wait a second, let's say you are right about Bluray being comparable to HD-DVD when using the HDMI slot. If that is the case, then why in the world is Bluray 2xs the price of HDDVD when they are comparable in quality?
and the fact that BR has some differences with HDDVD, which results in the former being more expensive to produce (both players/recorders and discs)
Post by: Ceric on July 10, 2006, 05:32:30 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on July 10, 2006, 09:40:30 PM
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Originally posted by: EasyCure<br
the only DVDA i know is trey parkers band and what it stands for is pretty sick.
Hahahaha, YEAH IT IS! Let's just say women who can/are willing to do that are not women you want to take home to meet the family.
I'll throw in another PS3 rant here. Sony's positioning the PS3 in an odd spot. On one hand, blu-ray enthusiasts are going to look at the system as the most affordable blu-ray player and probably not buy a large amount of games, if any. On the other, PlayStation fans may not buy many blu-ray movies. I think it's more likely that gamers will buy blu-ray movies, but I really don't see many people buying the PS3 for the main purpose of movie watching buying games. I'm sure there are some that want both, but enough to justify the odd position the system is in? Software sales are where Sony will make it's cash, and I wonder if they're not shooting themselves in the foot by marketing this thing to two separate groups of consumers. For whom is this system really for? Of course, Sony would answer "Everyone!" but then there's that nagging issue of the $600 price tag.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 10, 2006, 10:20:31 PM
PSP.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 10, 2006, 11:07:15 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I'll throw in another PS3 rant here. Sony's positioning the PS3 in an odd spot. On one hand, blu-ray enthusiasts are going to look at the system as the most affordable blu-ray player and probably not buy a large amount of games, if any.
PSP.
Eactly, which is why I have never cared much for this philosophy of making multi functional entertainment systems when the focus should be on gaming.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 11, 2006, 06:54:57 AM
Looking at the last page, we were discussing PS3 having brand recognition, but it also has third-party momentum which those other consoles lacked. Final Fantasy XIII and MGS: Guns of the Patriots will sell some systems. But they might still be too little too late. Still, I'll grudgingly admit that if Nintendo was making this system I would probably give in and buy it once Mario and Zelda came out. I'd try to wait for the first price drop but even then you're going to pay at least $500 US. On the other hand, if Nintendo was making this system, I'm pretty sure it would be dead meat.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 11, 2006, 07:39:39 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey On the other hand, if Nintendo was making this system, I'm pretty sure it would be dead meat.
A news story on financial website Bloomberg.com indicated that last week Sony took out an ¥80 billion ($698 million) three-year floating-rate bank loan, as PlayStation 3 production expenses loom.
The report noted that Sony confirmed that the loan, which came from more than 20 Japanese lenders, was made “to diversify funding sources”, and represented the company's first bank borrowing in 10 years.
Ironically, Nintendo made roughly $800 million in profits from the DS, mostly from software sales, more than the amount Sony is being forced to borrow in order to build these PS3s.
I think the term "dead meat" applies to Sony at this point in time.
With DVD, the format was already established and the PS2 helped to push it further into the market.
In the case of BluRay, the format has yet to be established, is unproven, and only works with a product which is owned by very few people.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 11, 2006, 08:49:39 AM
I don't think so, Sony can bleed for a long time before dying. If Bluray fails they might trim the budgets of the games division to appease shareholders but I wouldn't expec to see Sony explode anytime soon.
Post by: EasyCure on July 11, 2006, 09:34:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
DVD-Audio?
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thats what i thought but wasnt sure. im not good on all the technical stuff you guys talk about most of the time. i joined the furoms to talk about games but some of the other issues are interesting too, but when i read things like brd dvda sacd, it sounds like mumbo jumbo to me. now i feel like an old man or something. oh well
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 11, 2006, 10:48:21 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k I don't think so, Sony can bleed for a long time before dying. If Bluray fails they might trim the budgets of the games division to appease shareholders but I wouldn't expec to see Sony explode anytime soon.
Did you miss the part where they borrowed $700 million?
This will be the first time they've borrowed money in 10 years. I'm sure there have been plenty of times during those 10 years during which they would have had a strong opportunity to "diversify funding sources”.
Thus, they wouldn't be borrowing this money unless they didn't have money of their own to spend. Why incur loss via interest and the negative press which comes from taking out a loan unless you ABSOLUTELY have to do so? Sony's stock is already listed as a "strong sell".
If the PS3 and Bluray fail, I see no evidence which suggests that it WON'T be the end of Sony.
Post by: vudu on July 11, 2006, 11:13:22 AM
For the past ten years Sony has most likely funded projects through retained earnings (i.e. profits not paid out in dividends). All this means is that Sony plans to spend more money in the short-term than they expect to earn. This is a perfectly acceptable business practice for the short-term (especially for Japanese companies which are typically more long-term focused than Western companies). Of course, no company is able to survive if they continuously spend more money than they make; but Sony is going to be fine (as far as we know from the information available) for the time being.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 11, 2006, 11:49:13 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Financing growth opportunities with borrowing is nothing new. Almost all companies have at least some short and/or long-term borrowings. The only other option for raising capital is to issue new stock. Current stockholders typically aren't a fan of this option because it dilutes their interest in the business. Just because Sony is accepting some extra cost due to interest on loans doesn't mean they're in deep trouble.
For the past ten years Sony has most likely funded projects through retained earnings (i.e. profits not paid out in dividends). All this means is that Sony plans to spend more money in the short-term than they expect to earn. This is a perfectly acceptable business practice for the short-term (especially for Japanese companies which are typically more long-term focused than Western companies). Of course, no company is able to survive if they continuously spend more money than they make; but Sony is going to be fine (as far as we know from the information available) for the time being.
I know what you're saying, but the thing is, the other option for capital is selling products so as to make money.
I have heard nothing about Nintendo taking out a loan to manufacture the Wii, despite the fact that it recently went into production and the motion-censor technology is supposed to be rather expensive to create. Despite the fact that the GC is underperforming, Nintendo doesn't need to seek other means of funding.
Also, Sony's stock is listed as either a "sell" or "strong sell" by most companies, and I cannot help but think that it was the taking of the loan which made firms wary of Sony's status.
It's a well known fact that the only remaining division of Sony which is profitable is the Playstation division. The new BluRay mobilization is probably sucking up most of their remaining funds. Given that they're taking out this loan, I don't see why one should believe that they're doing this JUST to capitalize on a favorable market, especially when neither of their competitors are doing the same.
I'm also betting that the PSP has been a money sink, as they reportedly lose $100+ on each PSP sold and the software tie-in ratio is absolutely horrible.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 12, 2006, 11:04:01 AM
Do you have an idea how large Sony's credit limit is? They could operate on that kind of loss for decades.
Also, Sony's stock is listed as either a "sell" or "strong sell" by most companies
Hm, ok, from what I hear hey usually just say "hold" until the company is two days away from bankrupcy.
It's a well known fact that the only remaining division of Sony which is profitable is the Playstation division.
Nope, the music division is profitable and the movie division is probably only unprofitable because of the "creative accounting" that happens in the movie industry (a movie never breaks even. Never.).
Post by: couchmonkey on July 12, 2006, 11:50:58 AM
Post by: capamerica on July 12, 2006, 12:28:12 PM
Movies, TV, Music and Games are the only thing keeping Sony afloat right now. And truth be told Movies and TV isn't doing a whole lot for them. The MGM buyout wound up biting them in the butt in Q4.
To most people it might sound like Sony is doing find, But if you look at the whole picture and everything Sony has their hands in, once you step back you relies that only having Music and Games as their only source of real profit its actually kind of small. Its like Microsoft only relying on the Xbox and Hardware sales to keep them afloat while their OS and Software sales reach all time lows.
Sony does have a good credit limit right now, its not enough to keep them running for decades thou.
One thing is clear thou is that if Sony can't pay back that loan that could cause them to file for bankruptcy.
It costs allot to run Sony and their profit is shrinking. If Blu-Ray and the PS3 tank they are going to be in some serious trouble.
Sega had other profitable devisors. Sony does not have that option. Also don't forget Sega got bought out by Sammy.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 13, 2006, 07:09:36 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Looking at how long Sega managed to operate without a successful console, I think Sony will be fine even if PS3 is a huge bomb. The question is will it be able to recover?
Sega only had its gaming division to take care of, though.
Sony's entertainment division is like one person working in order to feed a very, very large family.
Unless Sony intends to close down some of its non-profitable divisions, then they actually have fewer legs to stand on then Sega does.
Post by: Rhoq on July 13, 2006, 07:52:13 AM
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
the only DVDA i know is trey parkers band
Hey
What makes a man?
Is it the power in his hands?
Is it his quest for glory?
Give it all you've got,
to fight to the top
So we can know your story
Now you're a man
A man, man man
Now you're a man
A manny manny man
A man man man
You are now a man
You're a man
Now you're a man
Live it, Live it
What make a man?
Is it the woman in his arms?
Just cause she has big titties?
Or is it the way he fights every day?
....No, it's probably the titties
Now you're a man
A man, man man
Now you're a man-man
Man-man man-man man
Now you're a man
M-A-N, man
Man, man-man man
Now you're a man
Sorry...Couldn't resist. "When I Was On Top Of You" is a great one too.
She'll never know what she meant to me.
Whenever I was with her I was always as gentle as I could be.
And now I don't know why, but she's gone away.
And I'll just have to stand on my own two legs.
Your eyes, your smile
Made my little life worthwhile.
There's was nothing I couldn't do
When I was on top of you.
I'd pull her hair, and she'd know to stop.
And when she'd look behind her, I'd always be there.
And now I don't know why, but she,
she's gone.
And all I can do is try to carry on.
Your eyes, your smile
Made my little life worthwhile.
The sky was a lot more blue,
When I was on top of you.
When I was on top of you.
BTW - for those who have never seen Cannibal! The Musical, he's singing about his horse, Leann.
I could talk all day about the genius of Trey Parker & Matt Stone.
Post by: BigJim on July 13, 2006, 12:34:35 PM
Cell Chip Getting 10-20% Production Yields
In other words, only 10-20% of the Cell chips IBM is manufacturing are actually usable parts for PS3. The other 80-90% are defective and are either thrown out or being recycled as chips for other products.
Generally the numbers should be reversed, with 80% or better production yields.
PS3 is really "the thing that shouldn't be" at this point. And they claim they'll have 2 million for launch? Heh. At this failure rate, they have to manufacture as many as 20 million chips to produce 2 million workable chips by the fall. Can't say I belived Sony's 2 million claim anyway.
Post by: Kairon on July 13, 2006, 01:16:47 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 13, 2006, 01:51:06 PM
Post by: Requiem on July 13, 2006, 02:05:43 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 13, 2006, 02:08:06 PM
Isn't that like... Enron accounting?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 13, 2006, 07:17:21 PM
gamespot.com
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Now Sony's in the middle of another patent fight, this one brought against the company by Pennsylvania-based Agere Systems. According to court documents, Agere (which has a pair of offices in Texas) has filed suit against Sony and a number of its divisions for willful infringement of eight patents in a number of its products, including the PSP, PlayStation 2, and based on announced specifications, the PlayStation 3. Sony VAIO computers, Handycams, Walkman players, Memory Stick Duos, and Location Free TV are also named as infringing offerings on some of the patents. The patents in question run from a "wireless local area network apparatus" to "barrier layer treatments for tungsten plug."
rumors of developers quietly canning PS3 and PSP developments, being asked to make fake CGI cutscenes from games they might be mnaking a some point in PS3's lifetime, stories of the defective Blu-ray drives and now extremely low yields of the cell chip!!?, sony just can't catch a break.
edit: And I forgot about having to take out a $613million(?) loan to help with PS3 production and having to pay Immersion $91million for court settled lawsuit.
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
How much mountain does the snowball have left to travel?
I think that snowball is tunneling now, it ran out of mountain a little ways back.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 13, 2006, 07:54:55 PM
Post by: EasyCure on July 13, 2006, 08:55:39 PM
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Originally posted by: RhoqQuote
Originally posted by: EasyCure
the only DVDA i know is trey parkers band
What make a man?
Is it the woman in his arms?
Just cause she has big titties?
Or is it the way he fights every day?
....No, it's probably the titties
I could talk all day about the genius of Trey Parker & Matt Stone.
^ thats my favorite part of the song. i bought orgazmo a few years ago after hearing so much about it and fell in love with it. the deleted scenes are histerical (especially the one with the guy that couldnt uh...release.... anywhere..classic). so yeah, after watching that and watching an old episode of south park (the tree house) and seeing the d.v.d.a shirt on a character, i realized what the shirt meant. that was the only dvda i've heard of until now.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 13, 2006, 09:05:04 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 13, 2006, 09:09:44 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 13, 2006, 11:47:27 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Agere says they don't. Either way it'll get settled in court(or out of court) and its just one more thing to divert Sony's attention away from things that they should be focused on. Too many problems coming from too many angles.
Most of which have been brought on by Sony themselves.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 13, 2006, 11:56:42 PM
Post by: Requiem on July 14, 2006, 03:55:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
How can you pool losses together?
Isn't that like... Enron accounting?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Well in my eyes, everyone lost. So why should we get our money back if we lost?
So now, it's noone's money and all of ours at the sametime, savvy?
So we all decided to drink our losses down in glasses and BBQ as we watch my DVD recordings of the WC.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 14, 2006, 04:03:49 AM
Post by: JonLeung on July 14, 2006, 05:19:31 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 14, 2006, 05:39:54 AM
Sony has stolen Winnie the Pooh's little black rain cloud. I fully expect Disney to sue Sony next. lol
Post by: JonLeung on July 14, 2006, 06:35:35 AM
(Er...I'm sure it's been asked before but when will it become PlanetWii, if ever?)
This week alone I've heard about Sony having to take out a big loan, having bad chip yields, and now a possible lawsuit. Wii news this week: EA games I mostly don't care that much about, even if it is overall good news.
Bad news for Sony is usually good news for Nintendo but really - it's bringing out the dark, ugly side of my fanboyism. I think it's more sporting to cheer for the team I like than to boo the one I don't.
Post by: Requiem on July 14, 2006, 06:56:03 AM
Now, I'm going to talk Football (soccer)
If the team you don't like makes a bad pass and your team intercepts it: Do you?
A: Cheer for your team
or
B: Not cheer at all
You see, whenever Sony makes a mistake, its as if they are giving Nintendo another chance to score. And by now, Nintendo has alot of chances to score racked up.
So in essence, we are cheering for Nintendo all along!
Post by: couchmonkey on July 14, 2006, 11:07:16 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
(Er...I'm sure it's been asked before but when will it become PlanetWii, if ever?)
Johnny said they will, "NEVER EVER EVER USE THAT HORRIBLE NAME, WII. NEVER. I HATE NINTENDO." You can quote me on that. Then he said, "Yeah, we'll probably have a new name sooner or later, leave me alone. WHERE'S THE WAITRESS WITH MY F***ING DRINK?"
truthfully, he said they will not be using planetwii, but there is a new name coming, yet to be unveiled. I predict it will be more generic.
I also look forward to the bad Sony news, but that's because the Nintendo news is mainly boring. Call me back when you've got screenshots or details on a game I care about. Actually, I was excited about that "Nintendo is already producing final units" news last week.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 14, 2006, 11:19:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666 How much mountain does the snowball have left to travel?
I think that snowball has probably burrowed into hell by now, and we all know how much of a chance it stands there.
Post by: nickmitch on July 14, 2006, 01:54:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666 How much mountain does the snowball have left to travel?
I think that snowball has probably burrowed into hell by now, and we all know how much of a chance it stands there.
Wait, that doesn't make sense. If the snowball is the bad news (gaining in size as it rolls) then the hell fire would make it melt (until it gets to the lowest levels, acording to Dante). So thusly, the ball in hell would mean that the bad news would soon end for Sony.
Post by: Griffin on July 14, 2006, 02:01:50 PM
Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 14, 2006, 02:35:11 PM
It's time they ate humble pie.
By the way, is there even a remote chance that all this could be fake?
(ie. dodgy processors, law suits, etc.)
An evil plan to catch everyone off guard?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2006, 06:14:05 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1Quote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
How much mountain does the snowball have left to travel?
I think that snowball is tunneling now, it ran out of mountain a little ways back.
QuoteActually I think the Snowball IS Sony and thats why its trouble if it melts.
Originally posted by: TVmanQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666 How much mountain does the snowball have left to travel?
I think that snowball has probably burrowed into hell by now, and we all know how much of a chance it stands there.
Wait, that doesn't make sense. If the snowball is the bad news (gaining in size as it rolls) then the hell fire would make it melt (until it gets to the lowest levels, acording to Dante). So thusly, the ball in hell would mean that the bad news would soon end for Sony.
Post by: Ceric on July 14, 2006, 07:14:34 PM
I have to say the license in question should be valid if it was good in the time of use but I haven't read about that particular problem.
10-20% Yields. In this day and age that's terrible. I mean 50% I could beleive because of new processes and it being a new ship but 10-20 blah... They are definitely losing money on every PS3 sold. Which is funny considering the price.
Where did the rumor come from with the fake screens and like?
You know the Snowball could be crushing towns and destroying peoples lifes.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2006, 07:33:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Ceric
This all really seems like to much Coincidence for my liking.
I have to say the license in question should be valid if it was good in the time of use but I haven't read about that particular problem.
10-20% Yields. In this day and age that's terrible. I mean 50% I could beleive because of new processes and it being a new ship but 10-20 blah... They are definitely losing money on every PS3 sold. Which is funny considering the price.
Where did the rumor come from with the fake screens and like?
You know the Snowball could be crushing towns and destroying peoples lifes.
I was from a supposedly *insider* chat conversation that mentioned that Sony was pleadiing with 3rd parties to come up with trailers for games that they weren't neccessarily making yet (or at all) just to show that the PS3 has many games in the pipeline and that more are coming soon.
Its kinda wierd that some of the BIG games that were at TGS(?) for PS3 never showed up at E3 and I don't really remember anybody mentioning anything about them.
But as far as the authenticity of the chat log.... it could be and possibly is BS, but I guess you never really know.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 14, 2006, 10:09:15 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 14, 2006, 11:38:29 PM
Unlike Microsoft's or Nintendo's controller, the PS3 controller will come with a built-in internal battery.
See? All is not lost!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 15, 2006, 11:16:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Don't fret. I come bearing good news for Sony:
Unlike Microsoft's or Nintendo's controller, the PS3 controller will come with a built-in internal battery.
See? All is not lost!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
That news definately erases all doubt about PS3's success, be prepared for PS3 this fall now!
Post by: Kairon on July 15, 2006, 11:26:50 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Zach on July 15, 2006, 11:38:54 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 15, 2006, 11:50:11 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 15, 2006, 12:06:13 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 15, 2006, 01:25:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
DOH!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Yep my sarcasm meter was full on that one
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 15, 2006, 11:19:47 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 16, 2006, 12:06:36 AM
Otherwise you're using AA batteries for your wireless X360 controller.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Ceric on July 16, 2006, 08:06:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem of Darcness
Hmm....there is a fourth doh Kairon. Sony is also having other problems. Evidently a diode required to read Blu-Ray disks is in very short supply. This means they that are going to have to further push back Blu-Ray players. I do not see how Sony is going to pull off a worldwide launch with just about ever aspect going against them.
I hadn't seen this mentioned in this thread, yet. (Which I think is a better place.) If you have the article Requiem it be appreciated. Wow. Sony just can't catch a break. I'm sure Nintendo is having problems of there own but dang.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 16, 2006, 08:11:07 AM
Quote*first post of the last page if you post per page is set at the default 20
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
rumors of developers quietly canning PS3 and PSP developments, being asked to make fake CGI cutscenes from games they might be mnaking a some point in PS3's lifetime, stories of the defective Blu-ray drives and now extremely low yields of the cell chip!!?, sony just can't catch a break.
edit: I found the article >HERE<
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The yields for Blu-ray laser diodes are still low due to a high technical barrier, with only Sony and Nichia being the only suppliers, stated the paper. In addition, Sony is setting aside a major proportion of its laser diode capacity for its upcoming PS3, which may also affect the availability of its Blu-ray laser diodes, the paper said.
Post by: Ceric on July 16, 2006, 08:59:18 AM
Edit:
Ok. That makes since. There really isn't a "tight supply" of them for Sony but for the open market. Looks like Sony will fill there demand first and everyone elses demand second. Which makes sense.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 16, 2006, 09:56:26 AM
QuoteWell I was paraphrasing what I had heard, and that was that the production of BRD drives were low due to technical problems (i.e. low yielding or defective parts). Its a good thing that Sony is hording them for themselves but since there are the only ones making diodes for PS3 I'm gonna bet that they aren't gonna make the production quota that they have set for themselves, < 6 million by march
Originally posted by: Ceric
"Stories of the defective Blu-ray Drives" = Hard to find Diode? o.O
Edit:
Ok. That makes since. There really isn't a "tight supply" of them for Sony but for the open market. Looks like Sony will fill there demand first and everyone elses demand second. Which makes sense.
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 16, 2006, 12:27:03 PM
Quotebetween the PSP's battery life and the sparkling innovation controller, I assume we can expect the jaw-dropping battery life of 3-6 hours...
Originally posted by: Kairon
Don't fret. I come bearing good news for Sony:
Unlike Microsoft's or Nintendo's controller, the PS3 controller will come with a built-in internal battery.
See? All is not lost!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 23, 2006, 10:57:46 AM
This could be due to when the game is going to be released vs when the system is going to be released or it could just be the beginning of a trend towards PS3 development.
-too lazy to go find the link again-
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2006, 11:56:34 AM
Post by: Ages on July 24, 2006, 06:50:13 AM
Because we all love ign
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 24, 2006, 07:08:43 AM
Supposedly porting from Xbox360 and/or PC to PS3 is extremely difficult and terribly expensive.
I know we all discussed aong time ago about how Sony and MS could be making their machines very different on purpose for the sake of having "default" exclusive games because they would be too hard too port, but who thought it would come back to bite Sony in the ass?
Post by: Ceric on July 24, 2006, 07:12:56 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 24, 2006, 07:58:39 AM
Sony Loses Developer Relations Manager DeLoura
QuoteWell its good to know that some people realize when to abandon a sinking ship even if its possible that it might still make it to port.
In a high-profile personnel loss for Sony, Gamasutra has learned that the company's longstanding Manager of Developer Relations at Sony Computer Entertainment America, Mark DeLoura, has departed the firm for a new technical director position at Ubisoft North America.
DeLoura, who is well-respected within the industry and serves on the Game Developers Conference advisory board, has chosen to leave his position in the months leading up to the PlayStation 3's release, and the move is likely to spark new concerns about the readiness of Sony for the November launch date.
The former editor-in-chief of Game Developer magazine and lead development support engineer at Nintendo of America is now technical director for Ubisoft North America in San Francisco, and is responsible for ensuring the technical quality of all third-party developed titles published by Ubisoft in North America.
~
This is the second high-profile loss for Sony over the past couple of months, with Sony Computer Entertainment America's senior director of communications and brand development Molly Smith resigning from the company in June - Smith had served as SCEA's central PR figure since 1994 and the launch of the original PlayStation.
Post by: Ceric on July 24, 2006, 08:04:07 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 24, 2006, 09:04:42 AM
Post by: Donutt007 on July 28, 2006, 07:45:01 AM
First I all, I work at the Metreon in San Francisco a "mallternative" at least that's what Sony called it when they owned it. Of course Sony failed at another thing so the mall got sold to WestField a few months ago. Of course, the Sony store and the Playstation store are still here for now at least.
So I was walking down by the Sony digital solutions store the other day and I saw two guys walking out looking more than disapointed. One guy looked to the other and said "Man, you remember when Sony used to be innovative?"
HAHAHAHAHAHA, I love it
Post by: Arbok on July 28, 2006, 07:52:39 AM
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Aided by the box-office success of The Da Vinci Code and rising sales in its electronics division, Sony reported Wednesday that its profits before taxes rose to $470 million during its first quarter, versus $117 million a year ago. Sony Pictures Entertainment reported a 42-percent boost in sales; however, the division wound up with a $10-million loss, attributed mostly to marketing costs for its summer releases. The company said that consumer demand for its flat-panel Bravia sets, which use LCD technology, helped move the division from an operating loss to an operating profit of $412 million.
http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-07-27/#film3
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 28, 2006, 07:55:25 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 28, 2006, 08:25:04 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 28, 2006, 09:22:44 AM
Sony is Billions(or is it 100's of millions?) in debt if I remember right.
Post by: capamerica on July 29, 2006, 05:08:33 AM
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Following yesterday's doom and gloom from their Games division, Sony Senior VP Takao Yuhara had more bad news for investors today: the PlayStation maker expects significant losses for Q3. As manufacturing costs for the "too cheap" PS3 continue to put Sony in a financial hole, the electronics leader is becoming even more reliant on consumers' willingness to plunk down $600 for the next gen console. In order to recoup losses within an estimated five year period, the cell processor must also be successfully incorporated into other consumer devices.
Yuhara commented, "We might see valuation losses of a size that we cannot laugh away in the quarter."
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 29, 2006, 07:31:20 AM
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HURHURHURHURHURHURHURHURHUR
OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO
Post by: Darkheart on July 29, 2006, 09:39:14 AM
Post by: IceCold on July 29, 2006, 07:49:39 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 30, 2006, 03:36:47 AM
Post by: Hocotate on July 31, 2006, 06:15:16 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 03, 2006, 08:34:31 PM
PS3's cancelled games list
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PS3 only
Killing Day
Theseis
Elveon
Endless Saga
Condemned:Criminal Origins
Smackdown 07
Oblivion
Splinter Cell: Double Agent
PS3 & Xbox360
Scarface: The World Is Yours
Fear & Respect
The Sopranos
Xbox360 only
Frame City Killer
How many launch games does the PS3 have?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 04, 2006, 12:47:53 AM
Post by: Hocotate on August 04, 2006, 02:08:09 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 04, 2006, 05:29:01 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 04, 2006, 06:20:55 AM
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...THQ has cancelled the PS3 version due to lack of dev kits and cancelled the 360 version because it "didn't look all that much better than the PS2 version."
Post by: Ceric on August 04, 2006, 10:16:21 AM
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Originally From: Daily Tech
With that being said, even though Sony's PlayStation 3 has yet to hit store shelves, Sony is already talking about its successor. Sony's Phil Harrison believes that the PlayStation 4 will forgo discs altogether.
Both NVIDIA and Sony have stated that the PS3 will have a shelf life of 10 years -- that pushes us to 2016 for PS4.
If first you don't succeed try something else.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 04, 2006, 10:36:36 AM
I do find it interesting that Sony is looking at a nondisk format. So will we be downloading these high defination games? We better have an amazing bandwidth in 10 years!!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 04, 2006, 10:39:16 AM
How many games will be in the launch window for PS3 and Wii?
How many launch games did Xbox 360 have? And for that matter how many do they have now?
I am not sure, but it seems Wii is going to have a very strong launch lineup that may actually be comparable in number to Xbox 360 second generation of games.
Post by: Ceric on August 04, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
Sort of interesting to look at the other side of the fence on this issue but their conclusion is sort of funny. It's different then what they say it seems.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 04, 2006, 04:42:29 PM
and advancedmn found this on sony's site:
To use saved data on a PlayStation 2 memory card, you must copy the data onto a virtual memory card within the hard disk. This requires a PS2/PSone memory card adaptor to copy the data to your PLAYSTATION 3.
Post by: Ceric on August 04, 2006, 06:09:52 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 05, 2006, 10:12:50 AM
The editors started out pointing out the faults, but left with a pretty rosy outlook for Sony.
I question their prospective because they are too close to gaming and understand the competition between systems too well.
I truly believe Sony's biggest problem will be if casual gamers will see enough difference between 360 and PS3 games to warrant such a larger increase in price. See I believe this isn't a battle with Nintendo, but a battle with Microsoft. The people that desire Nintendo will buy it period...and that number isn't going to be insignificant...but it won't hurt Sony. However, Microsoft will.
I also felt most of the editors weren't too impressed with the Nintendo Wii...and their honeymoon with E3 is over. This is something that could happen with Nintendo. All this positive press just disappear when release actually happens. Lets hope it doesn't. But the editor that said Nintendo would only capture 25% of the market is way off base. That would put it to performing similarly or under the Gamecube wouldn't it?
I see the Wii doing quite well with hardware sales. There is going to be the hardcore gamer mass that will want to try something different and go to Nintendo...as well as the die hard Nintendo fans, finally the oldskool gamer will also be in love with the Wii. Those three classes of gamers alone will bring big sales for the initial Wii hardware.
My question is will they buy software...and I mean enough software to keep 3rd parties supporting the Wii. And I don't know the answer to that. Japan I think Nintendo will be ok. But elsewhere I dunno.
So I really see this battle being completely up in the air, but Microsoft has a nice lead, that I think they will keep instead of lose.
Post by: stevey on August 05, 2006, 10:36:11 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 05, 2006, 11:35:10 AM
1) We've only have gotten relatively mediocre level and quality of news since E3, PGC shows us the press release and while the one from Nintendo was entertaining the rest where mediocre
2) If playing is such a big thing to understanding no one has really had anymore experiences with it since E3
If we still get a lukewarm reception from the non-fan press after they get there dev units to start demoing games then I'll take it a little more seriously. As seen it would behoove Nintendo to get those units out sooner then later even with an NDA.
Edit:
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Originally from the article Joystiq was quoting
Harrison says: "We have shown more playable games than ever before, so the signs are good, and right now there are more than 100 Blu-ray movies available today,
Really know. Last I checked there was like 5. I wonder where they are hiding?
Edit 2: The Return:
List of Blu-Ray Titles on Sale
That sure looks like Hundreds to me....
Nintendo Master Game list as a Bonus feature
Fun Factoid. It seems that Ubisoft has the first game launched on the Gamecube with Nov 10, 2001. Tarzan something or other.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on August 05, 2006, 11:34:17 PM
How many college students can fit an HDTV and PS3 in their dormrooms? (its hard enough getting a desktop PC in there)
Now how many college students do you think abso-frickin-lutely LOVE to come home from class at noon and sit on their futon all day playing Super Smash Bros.? (n64 gets as much love as xbox, ps2, and from my experience in the UGA dorms, Smash has a following comparable to Halo, plus on small TV's the split screen issue, well, isn't an issue)
How many drunken college students will go absolutely crazy when they can drink over some healthy rounds of wiiSports?
How many students in Russell hall are going to see me playing Wii on the big screen TV all day on launch day? (approx. 900 live there; I lived there last year and am going back specifically for viral marketing of Wii)
[/nintendo pwnage]
ps. I forgot to mention Zelda, Red Steel, all downloadable classics (finally smash 64 w/out crummy analog sticks!)
forget WiiPessimism; Nintendo has this.
Ian-yone disagree?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 08, 2006, 07:30:12 PM
"From Software cancels development on Dark RPG (PS3) and Black Blade (PS3)."
I wonder what the reason for this cancellation is....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 08, 2006, 07:45:52 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 09:29:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict finally smash 64 w/out crummy analog sticks!
Preach it, brotha!
As for the subject, I don't think people realize just how bad this news is for Sony.
Canceling support is what companies were doing at the END of the GC's life, and now they're doing it before the PS3's has even begun.
Like I said, worst news Sony has faced yet. If devs take a "wait and see" approach to the PS3, then no one will be making the games which will make it safe to develop for so no one will develop for it down the line.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 08, 2006, 11:01:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict finally smash 64 w/out crummy analog sticks!
Preach it, brotha!
As for the subject, I don't think people realize just how bad this news is for Sony.
Canceling support is what companies were doing at the END of the GC's life, and now they're doing it before the PS3's has even begun.
Like I said, worst news Sony has faced yet. If devs take a "wait and see" approach to the PS3, then no one will be making the games which will make it safe to develop for so no one will develop for it down the line.
Ouch, that is nasty news, unlike Nintendo I don't think Sony can live off their 1st party franchises. I mean what do they have Ratchet and Clank (not sure if that is one), Jak, GT, and um Warhawk? I would say the Ico team but they take a long time in between games and they really aren't system sellers.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 09, 2006, 03:53:52 AM
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Originally posted by: CericQuote
Originally From: Daily Tech
With that being said, even though Sony's PlayStation 3 has yet to hit store shelves, Sony is already talking about its successor. Sony's Phil Harrison believes that the PlayStation 4 will forgo discs altogether.
Both NVIDIA and Sony have stated that the PS3 will have a shelf life of 10 years -- that pushes us to 2016 for PS4.
If first you don't succeed try something else.
Then what's the point of Blu-Ray then, if they are just going to abandon it? Sony won't do this because then they break the rule of backwards compatibility. How will you play PS/PS2/PS3 games on your driveless PS4?
Post by: JonLeung on August 09, 2006, 04:54:20 AM
Now, $7 a day isn't hard at all, even if you have a crappy, low-paying job with too few hours - and you may already have money saved up for anything - but is it worth it, and would you want one at launch? From all that this thread points out, this is the definition of a chancy purchase.
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 05:24:14 AM
In all actuallality the XBox 360 is a more attractive platform to develope for if you want HD. MS is providing an API that if you use it you can develope for the PC and the 360 at pretty much the same time. Controls and tweaking would still need to be done but the core developement would not. This gives you twice the bang for your buck. Even if the game would only run on Vista and 360 I'm sure there we'll be plenty of Vista copies out in the target market. (Just don't play Nintendo games on these "Vista Copies" that come from the wild or JAPMN Strike Force will gettcha, like poor Smash_Brother).
That being the case there is more reason for people to learn the API and how to deal with it then to learn the API for the PS3. Not to mention the PS3 Cost more and it will take a while for a dedicated person to find how to tap it's true power.
Post by: Arbok on August 09, 2006, 07:32:10 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
As I mentioned on the Wii board briefly, as of today, it's 100 days to the launch of the PS3...so if you can save up an average of, say, $7 a day from now until then, you'll be able to barely afford it and maybe a game depending on however much in taxes your city/state/province/country will put on top of that.
Man, that should be the PS3's slogan going into its launch: "only 100 easy payments of $7!"
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 09, 2006, 12:10:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric (Just don't play Nintendo games on these "Vista Copies" that come from the wild or JAPMN Strike Force will gettcha, like poor Smash_Brother).
I own the original media so it's legal, I SWEAR!
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 01:11:40 PM
Nope... That ain't going to cut it. It clearly states in the front of the manual that you are not allowed to have another copy of the game in any form for any reason. (Go on grab a GCN game manual and look. I'll wait.)
Yep I'm going to have to take you to where all your type go.
*Pipe sound*
*You are in a factory deep under the earth where you see an assembly line*
Transistor B49 line.
Oh no.
You'll have to work your way up to placing the transistors.
You'll be powering the Conveyor.
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Nintendo.
Boy.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 09, 2006, 02:44:28 PM
Everybody runs.
Post by: Kairon on August 09, 2006, 03:47:36 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: capamerica on August 12, 2006, 08:00:19 AM
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Dana Jongewaard, editor of Official PlayStation Magazine, says in her 1Up blog that even she will be passing up the PlayStation 3 this November for the less-expensive and currently available Xbox 360. Yes, the OPM editor says she is turning to the "dark side" and picking up the less expensive console. She writes:
But when I know that a console's direct competitors cost two-thirds or half of that price, it becomes harder for me to justify shelling out that kind of money. $600 might be worth it if there were several huge titles on the near horizon that were PS3-exclusive. But for the first year at least, there are very few big titles that are PS3 exclusive. GTA4 and Assassins will be available for the 360 at the same time.
The other big reason for people to shell out $600, BluRay, is frankly something I don't care about. So ultimately, I can't justify it. $600 is a lot of money, especially when I can get what -- for me at least -- will be a very similar experience for $400. I would like to own a PS3, and I hope that the price drops soon so I can consider it.
So there you have it. Even the OPM editor seems to be a bit discouraged by the start of the PS3. It's starting to look like Sony will really have to come out with some great exclusives to sell people on the console as months pass by. That first year, though, is shaping up to be a rough one.
Post by: Ceric on August 12, 2006, 09:15:45 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 13, 2006, 04:23:45 AM
Post by: Hocotate on August 13, 2006, 10:41:38 PM
EA says the PSP is no fun
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Third-party support is essential for the life span of any gaming product, so when you have a major publisher such as Electronic Arts calling you out, you better listen. EA executive VP and COO of worldwide studios David Gardner recently told MCV that Sony better get their act together with the PSP.
"I don't think Sony can afford to sit back. I think they still have things they can do with the price and performance of the machine-- things that they need to address."
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Gardner points to the success of the DS as being about fun and accessibility, not about pure technical supremacy.
"There's no doubt that EA has historically bet more on PSP. I think we were excited by the technology, but the consumers have proven that actually what they want is fun. ... EA is putting more effort behind DS games -- and creative ones that really take advantage of the hardware."
And so, the bad press train keeps rolling for Sony.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 13, 2006, 11:40:43 PM
And that was unexpected for you?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 14, 2006, 08:07:50 AM
LOCK YOUR DOORS AND HIDE YOUR CHILDREN, PEOPLE!
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 09:33:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Ceric
Yeah. But I'll take that with a grain of salt considering that she can play the PS3 at work. So getting one herself would be for her own amusement but anything she wants to try she could probably try at work.
True, but it's the PSM editor. Not even owning your home team's product in the first year (and possibly longer) is a kick in the teeth. Seeing PS Magazine employees explain why they don't want to buy a PS3 is on equal footing with the canceling of games before the console has even launched in the "bad news" category.
I mean, she works for the goddamn MAGAZINE. She's one of the people who is supposed to support Sony regardless.
Quote
Originally posted by: Professional 666 What, EA is aiming for FUN now?
Actually, I was more surprised to see the words "EA" and "creative" in the same sentence.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 14, 2006, 08:11:14 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2006, 01:18:28 PM
You know I didn't even know they made batteries. I mean sure some special ones for there products but most company farm that out. I didn't know they made them for a profit.
Post by: wandering on August 16, 2006, 01:29:23 PM
youch.
Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2006, 01:34:08 PM
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Dell Laptops make terrible Fragmentation Grenades.
Post by: wandering on August 16, 2006, 01:38:58 PM
Post by: Aussiedude on August 16, 2006, 06:23:26 PM
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Reports have come our way today though, from Toys 'R' Us stores, who've been instructed by the retailer's head office to cease taking PlayStation 3 preorders of any kind and to remove all advertising. Further, whispers from EB Games stores are indicating that they may follow suit shortly.
Link
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 16, 2006, 06:28:11 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 16, 2006, 06:34:55 PM
Post by: Hocotate on August 16, 2006, 06:43:41 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 16, 2006, 07:05:54 PM
and ROFLMAO@PS3 delay
Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2006, 07:18:58 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 16, 2006, 08:43:55 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 16, 2006, 08:46:22 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Perhaps they've already got three preorders per store which is most likely more than their shipment allocation?
I was thinking the same thing
Post by: Zach on August 16, 2006, 08:53:34 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 17, 2006, 05:59:09 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 17, 2006, 02:03:16 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 18, 2006, 07:57:19 PM
Indeed....
Post by: Donutt007 on August 22, 2006, 08:42:51 AM
Thought I'd put it here, since it's more about Sony than the PS3, but it does mention it.
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Sony confirmed to The Times that production was yet to get underway but said that the company still planned to have 4 million of the machines ready for the key Christmas period.
The news follows the recall last week of more than 4 million Sony batteries that were supplied with Dell laptops
Ouch, make 4 million PS3's but now have to recall 4 million batteries! Anyone else think PS3 is going to be faulty out the door?
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Together with continuing restructuring costs linked to 10,000 job cuts and several factory closures, the PS3 launch is expected to cut Sony profits almost in half this year.
Double ouch.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 22, 2006, 08:45:31 AM
Parts yield and final product stability are questionable.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 22, 2006, 09:04:15 AM
Post by: JonLeung on August 22, 2006, 09:30:44 AM
If someone can convince Square-Enix and Konami to move FF XIII and MGS 4 off of there, that could pretty much finish them off. I admit I look forward to those, but then again I didn't play FF X, FF XI (probably won't), FF XII or MGS 3 so I wouldn't get to them for a while anyway. And those two games alone aren't enough for me to consider the PS3, but I know some people are hanging on particularly for at least one of those two.
Of course, there are the legions of casual gamers who will still buy it just because of the PlayStation name when it first comes out, even if they don't even know what games will be available.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 22, 2006, 10:08:32 AM
I'd still take a free PS3 (which is why I was considering keeping one if my Ebay scam goes well) but I just know the launch units are going to be riddled with bugs. I'd rather not have to fight with Sony's tech support to fix the one I keep. But it's true: FFXIII And MGS are pretty much the only games I'm interested in, too. Maybe also Riiiiiiiiiiiidge Racer.
Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2006, 03:58:10 PM
Post by: capamerica on August 22, 2006, 07:36:21 PM
The PS3 will not be a major hit like Sony thinks it will be which will cause most if not all 3rd party developers to drop their Exclusive titles and port them over to at least the Xbox360.
I also think that if Dead Rising actually does will in Japan that might cause the end of some more Sony exclusive titles.
Post by: IceCold on August 23, 2006, 11:49:04 PM
Post by: Aussiedude on August 24, 2006, 04:03:45 AM
Poor Poor third parties...More games get moved to Wii/360 as third parties realise there are no PS3 units to sell their games on
, plus lookes like I wont get my PS3 preorder filled 
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 24, 2006, 04:25:16 AM
Of those 24 launch games, they did have a small selection of big name titles. I think Sony might have a total of 6 titles worth owning around launch.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 24, 2006, 05:14:41 AM
Post by: JonLeung on August 24, 2006, 09:41:34 AM
As I said, I'm interested in FF XIII and MGS 4 but those are mostly by franchise alone and therefore I feel I ought to play them just to follow the trends and hype or whatnot so they aren't truly enough to make me go out of my way and spend all the money just to play them.
I haven't yet seen a PS3 game that makes me go "oooh, I have to own that" yet and if the games that do come out just follow the same old genres (oh, look, another racer...another WWII shooter...another wrestler...another futuristic racer...another futuristic shooter...another sports game...etc.) then I don't really care if they have 5, 20, or 100 games. They can churn out all the "games" they want but unless there are some really, really good ones in there no one (except people with money to burn) should even consider a PS3.
EDIT: Heck, even people with money to burn should avoid the PS3, to show support for platforms more worthy. Like the Wii.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 24, 2006, 01:26:18 PM
Armored Core 4 (From Software)
Blade Storm Hyakunen Sensou (Koei)
Coded Arms Assault (Konami)
Devil May Cry 4 (Capcom)
The Eye of Judgment (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Fatal Inertia (Koei)
Formula One World Championship (working title) (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Genji (working title) (Sony Computer Entertainment)
"Gran Turismo" Series (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Heavenly Sword (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Lair (working title) (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Mahjong Taikai IV (Koei)
Minna no Golf 5 (working title) (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Mobile Suit Gundam: Target in Sight (Namco Bandai Games)
MotorStorm (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Railfan (Ongakukan)
Resistance: Fall of Man (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Ridge Racer 7 (Namco Bandai Games)
Warhawk (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Source: GameSpot
I do not know alot of the games, so I don't know how big the games are. But, I only see like 2 games I am interested in...and suspiciously absent from that list is Metal Gear Solid 4. I guess the game isn't going to be ready for launch.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 24, 2006, 01:47:06 PM
are they trying to pull an amazing 'xbox-launch' by releasing everything under the sun?
WHERE IS AZURIK
FUSION FRENZY
WACKY RACERS
Post by: Arbok on August 24, 2006, 03:48:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
wow, lots of sony-published junk.
That was my first reaction too. This is not good for Sony to see so few third party titles there, considering that's pretty much what they are going to live on. As Pro. said, their first party stuff is typically junk (aside from a few things like the Gran Turismo series) and there is no way they are going to lead the PS3 to success if they are forced to be the primary developer for it, akin to what Nintendo was for the GCN (although Nintendo actually makes good games).
Post by: Kairon on August 24, 2006, 08:33:45 PM
However, yes, it is a shock to see that Sony is publishing SOOO many games on the PS3's list. They're publishing more games than Nintendo does on its systems!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 24, 2006, 08:46:02 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 24, 2006, 09:07:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Some Sony Stuff is good. Heavenly Sword is supposed to be the next God of War for example, and has a really fluid and impressive combat animation system.
However, yes, it is a shock to see that Sony is publishing SOOO many games on the PS3's list. They're publishing more games than Nintendo does on its systems!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Fluid and impressive combat animation system, definately a guarantee for a great game
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Post by: Kairon on August 24, 2006, 09:10:38 PM
Oh, and it looked like Microsoft scored a minor upset, they've got [L=exclusivity to next-gen FIFA and PEShttp://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19281[/L]... uh... what's PES? Anyways, it sounds like the first FIFA soccer game on the PS3 (Or Wii) will be in 2008.
I don't think this should be pooh-poohed. Microsoft has stated that they believe the next-gen battlefield will be Europe, and soccer IS bigger there (and elsewhere in the world) as compared to our American sensibilities.
Interestingly enough, Microsoft has been launching the X360 in minor minor markets over the past few months, from the Middle East to Eastern Europe to South Africa! If anything, Microsoft is really fighting for the world, and trying to become the first videogame many people over the world are actually introduced to.
Fear them. Fear the Microsoft.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 24, 2006, 09:40:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
lol
Oh, and it looked like Microsoft scored a minor upset, they've got [L=exclusivity to next-gen FIFA and PEShttp://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19281[/L]... uh... what's PES? Anyways, it sounds like the first FIFA soccer game on the PS3 (Or Wii) will be in 2008.
I don't think this should be pooh-poohed. Microsoft has stated that they believe the next-gen battlefield will be Europe, and soccer IS bigger there (and elsewhere in the world) as compared to our American sensibilities.
Interestingly enough, Microsoft has been launching the X360 in minor minor markets over the past few months, from the Middle East to Eastern Europe to South Africa! If anything, Microsoft is really fighting for the world, and trying to become the first videogame many people over the world are actually introduced to.
Fear them. Fear the Microsoft.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
I have to agree with MS, I think it will be won in Europe but mainly the battle between PS3 and Xbox 360. I think Wii should win Japan easily along with the U.S so they can afford to lose a bit in Europe (then again I may be wrong!). I'll be honest I am rooting for MS to beat Sony, I have developed alot of respect for the people working within games department, introduced to me by my mentor at MS. I've even told him I am a MS supporter now due to the great people at MS's game development studios. Not to mention that my mentor is head of franchise development and how franchises should be used, so that makes me hope for the best even more so he can reap the rewards!
Post by: Kairon on August 24, 2006, 09:46:20 PM
The only problem with that is... well... I'm scared because after gaining so much respect for their work, I can't help but think that the games division's earnestness and Bill Gates' black magic mean that MS will eventually, inevitably, control ALL of the gaming industry in about 2 or 3 generations.
And then... and then I don't know what the world will be like.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: KDR_11k on August 25, 2006, 12:11:37 AM
I hear the final title is going to be "Genji 2: MASSIVE DAMAGE feat. realtime weapon change".
Kairon: PES = Pro Evolution Soccer aka Winning Eleven.
If MS wants Europe they should introduce PC gaming standards to their console like simultaneous releases in all languages, 45€ per game and quick pricedrops.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 25, 2006, 06:08:08 AM
As for Microsoft, I believe they will easily win the US. Microsoft is a name that many people in the US trust for computer related electronics. They are geared towards making more American focused games, and have pushed to secure the best relationship with EA possible. And with their headstart Sony is going to be playing massive catchup, and is doing so with a launch with pathetic number of units available for this market.
Japan is easily going to Nintendo. Nintendo has designed a console that fits all of Japanese sensitivities. It is small, doubles as an additional player for most of your classic games via download, uses Wifi for online play, is a very cheap new console, and finally: introduces brand new and compelling ways to play games. I really see Wii vs PS3 being the exact same as the DS and PSP battle (EDITTED FOR MY STUPIDITY.)
I really don't know about the European market. How important is price, what type of games do they like, and so forth. I believe it really could be open to all the companies to win that market. But I am thinking that Nintendo has done a great job there with the DS Lite, hopefully they will continue that trend for the Wii.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 25, 2006, 07:12:42 AM
In Europe, it seems like pricing is fairly important. You don't usually see the most expensive systems winning over there. Microsoft had to slash the Xbox price very early on for instance. But that's a pretty simplistic view, I don't know a lot about the European market.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 25, 2006, 07:59:50 AM
It is really stupid that 3rd parties assumed the Gamecube would never truly support a mature game because Nintendo is marketing towards children. Nintendo never exclusively marketed towards children...that was a myth that Sega started back in the day and Sony continued. It is stupid.
If a company makes a great game, and markets it well it should sell great period. And if the marketshare is split evenly three ways I think we will see more games for all systems, and hopefully more exclusives for all systems.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 25, 2006, 12:34:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I don't want any single company to ever have the lead Sony did for PS2 or PS3. I want about equal marketshare for all companies, and I want the industry to actually start thinking about the games they are creating and their audiences.
It is really stupid that 3rd parties assumed the Gamecube would never truly support a mature game because Nintendo is marketing towards children. Nintendo never exclusively marketed towards children...that was a myth that Sega started back in the day and Sony continued. It is stupid.
If a company makes a great game, and markets it well it should sell great period. And if the marketshare is split evenly three ways I think we will see more games for all systems, and hopefully more exclusives for all systems.
You are right, I to hope the industy is split fairly evenly. That always brings about strong competition and the consumer always wins.
Post by: JonLeung on August 25, 2006, 12:57:48 PM
If Nintendo doesn't climb back to #1 soon, then some people may never understand that pure power and the same old games isn't the only way to victory.
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2006, 01:07:35 PM
If I were Microsoft I really wouldn't want dominance on the console Market. That's really a side concern for me. What I like is for that division to be profittable to the point that it can sustain itself and help the other parts. Compared to say Office. A console is more work then the rewards comparing the two. Office is a lot of work don't get me wrong but, they sell office to a must broader market then a console could ever penetrate, office goes into the Business world.
The XBoxes are their as a good promotional tool and to win people over. If I controlled the market with an ironfest it would be viewed as another Monopoly and MS will lose a lot of the goodwill it built with these products. Sure they like to be the top dog but I think in the long run they benefit from being the top dog in a close race. Especially if they can convince people to buy the more eleborate versions of Windows and to prefer Windows because of their gaming presence.
Also leveraging Live to the point of maybe even allowing other people to use the service. But I digress
Suffice it to say that I personally beleive that Microsoft has more to lose by being considerred THE Game Console then gain.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 25, 2006, 01:16:07 PM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 25, 2006, 01:35:23 PM
Post by: Hocotate on August 25, 2006, 04:01:21 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 26, 2006, 06:24:08 AM
I don't think Nintendo is ever leaving this industry. They are too vital for it, and they understand the business world and how to turn profits. So they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 26, 2006, 11:21:18 AM
Post by: Arbok on August 26, 2006, 04:06:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I want Nintendo and Sega to actually work together and become partners. Sega could focus on Niche games and older gaming and keep their name on their games, and Nintendo does what it does. It would be perfect.
Sega is dead. I might have agreed with you before the Sammy merger, but presently I could care less about them. Their games have been selling horribly anyway, and they are hardly a "system seller calibur" company anymore.
A Nintendo-Namco or Nintendo-Capcom partnership would be a much more suitable mix, although not very plausible on either account.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 26, 2006, 09:23:08 PM
Indeed, the only part of Sega that could maybe be compared with Excalibur is Treasure. Or did you mean "calibre"?
Post by: IceCold on August 26, 2006, 09:31:37 PM
QuotePulling a BnM, though I'm not sure why I posted it there..
Oh, and it looked like Microsoft scored a minor upset, they've got exclusivity to next-gen FIFA and PES[L=http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19281[/L...[/L] uh... what's PES? Anyways, it sounds like the first FIFA soccer game on the PS3 (Or Wii) will be in 2008.
I don't think this should be pooh-poohed. Microsoft has stated that they believe the next-gen battlefield will be Europe, and soccer IS bigger there (and elsewhere in the world) as compared to our American sensibilities.
EDIT:
QuoteAre you sure you're thinking of SEGA and not Namco?
Sega is dead. I might have agreed with you before the Sammy merger, but presently I could care less about them. Their games have been selling horribly anyway, and they are hardly a "system seller calibur" company anymore
EDIT 2:
QuoteWell, that answers my question..
A Nintendo-Namco
Post by: couchmonkey on August 28, 2006, 06:14:41 AM
This has its ups and downs. I miss the freedom some of those second parties had and the new franchises they introduced. Without Rare, my N64 would have been pretty dull - Nintendo made great games, but they were so few and far between. Looking at Retro or NST, they make good games, but they tend to work on a limited, franchise-heavy lineup.
On the other hand, both Rare and Silicon Knights wanted to head down the path of big-budget theatrical games which wasn't what Nintendo wanted. Having seen the Wii, I'm convinced that Nintendo needs to be free to do what it wants, hardware-wise. I think the company's new method of teaming up with small developers for individual projects works, because it gives us great new games while leaving Nintendo free to follow its own path without painful "break ups". I was really disappointed when Rare's lineup went out the door. In practice, it didn't turn out to be a bad deal, but at the time I was crushed.
Post by: JonLeung on August 30, 2006, 09:15:48 AM
I loved Rare's N64 games too, but what did they have for Xbox? Wasn't it just Grabbed by the Ghoulies and Conker: Live and Reloaded or whatever? And I didn't even think the original Conker's Bad Fur Day was as great as everyone made it out to be, so that generation was almost entirely forfeit.
Sure, the Xbox 360 has got Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo: Elements of Power, both of which were to be GameCube games. But for some reason I think those games (as well as Viva Pinata) would do better on a Nintendo console.
Heck, with the Xboxes being all "mature" and stuff, you'd think Kameo and Pinata would even do better on the PS2/PS3 than on the Xbox 360.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 30, 2006, 09:40:49 AM
Rare is a talented developer. But they needed time to create masterpieces too much time. Furthermore, they didn't know how to truly polish a game without Nintendo's assistance. Nintendo made Rare who they are today...and without Nintendo's help and instruction I don't think Rare would have ever grown to its potential today.
The same can be said with almost any company Nintendo has nurtured as a second party company. And you can understand why for the most part those companies continue to have good relations with Nintendo.
But, Nintendo doesn't need them. I think it would be smarter for Nintendo to invest in creating more development teams of their own. I think another American based company that creates franchises and games with a more American flavor would be smart for Nintendo to develop. Sorta like Retro Studios.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 30, 2006, 09:48:52 AM
Edit: Spak...I'd like to see Retro itself grow to the point where it can develop two or three games at a time.
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2006, 10:32:00 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Hocotate on August 30, 2006, 02:18:20 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 30, 2006, 03:41:08 PM
A few others, including David Doak (or Dr. Doak
), formed Free Radical...I don't believe as many left Rare at the time as many think, but Doak and Hollis were two of the best there...
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2006, 03:46:02 PM
Either way, Nintendo has it right. People make games, not companies.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: IceCold on August 30, 2006, 09:13:13 PM
QuoteRE:Wii
"We look at our products having a 10-year life cycle, which we've proven with the PlayStation," said Kaz. "Therefore, the PlayStation 3 is going to be a console that's going to be with you again for ten years. We're not going to ask the consumers to suddenly buy another PlayStation console in five years time, and basically have their investment go by the wayside. So for all those reasons, I think at $599 we're offering a very good value to the consumers."
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During the interview, he also implied that Nintendo's Wii console could face some unexpected competition - from the PS2, of all things. Discussing the Wii, Hirai admitted that, "Some consumers will compare features or software offerings and decide that they may want to go with a different console," before adding that, "You also have to realize that we have a very strong, market-leading console called the PlayStation 2, which is at a very affordable price right now."
Post by: BigJim on August 30, 2006, 11:41:20 PM
The INQ Story
Yes it's the INQ, but the story has picked up a little steam. Might be true.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 31, 2006, 04:38:13 AM
We shall see what comes from the PS3. Personally, I expect a delay, or a very limited launch instead of a world wide launch. That is just me.
After fullying reading the story I doubt its creditability as the writer is completely unprofessional, and writing is subpar.
Post by: Ceric on August 31, 2006, 06:32:50 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
More Kaz rambling..QuoteRE:Wii
"We look at our products having a 10-year life cycle, which we've proven with the PlayStation," said Kaz. "Therefore, the PlayStation 3 is going to be a console that's going to be with you again for ten years. We're not going to ask the consumers to suddenly buy another PlayStation console in five years time, and basically have their investment go by the wayside. So for all those reasons, I think at $599 we're offering a very good value to the consumers."Quote
During the interview, he also implied that Nintendo's Wii console could face some unexpected competition - from the PS2, of all things. Discussing the Wii, Hirai admitted that, "Some consumers will compare features or software offerings and decide that they may want to go with a different console," before adding that, "You also have to realize that we have a very strong, market-leading console called the PlayStation 2, which is at a very affordable price right now."
First of all he's basing that 10 year figure on a console that is 1 year back. Nintendo did that with the Cube. They said it would last 10 years like SNES and NES. We saw what happened there. It could happen but I really doubt it. Plus with Sony's hardware history do you honestly beleive that your PS3 will last 10 or even 5 years?
lol. PS2 being real competition for the Wii. Thats sort of funny. The PS2 will go away. If it doesn't Sony is just shooting themselves in the foot in regard to the PS3.
Post by: Hocotate on August 31, 2006, 06:46:49 AM
btw, thanks for the Rare info. I knew I heard something about staff leaving after the move. That would explain the sudden sucking of Rare's games... well that and the lack of Nintendo.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 31, 2006, 08:55:35 AM
On Sony's comments: ten years just isn't going to happen, and previous consoles are piss-poor proof of the concept, because anyone playing Playstation 1 the last three years has seen basically zero new games. The PS2 vs. Wii comment is laughable. I guess it's possible in theory that PS2 will steal some thunder from Wii, but I highly doubt Sony is planning to use that strategy, they'll just hope that third parties keep the PS2 popular enough. If Sony did try to support PS2 vs. Wii, it would be splitting its attention too many ways and would likely fail on every front.
Post by: JonLeung on August 31, 2006, 09:25:27 AM
People play PlayStation because of the plethora of titles, but they should see some of the silliness that Sony themselves say.
Post by: capamerica on August 31, 2006, 09:53:10 AM
Conker: Live and Reloaded - Was okay, They really ruined the multi-player. Graphicly it was better but the N64 version wins.
Perfect Dark Zero - Was a so-so FPS, It was nothing special, pretty much a game just to tied you over till a better FPS came out.
Kameo: Elements of Power - Really sucked, I couldn't get into it at all. Everything was pretty much bad or sub-par.
Back on topic, for the whole $ony comments, I think they are just getting in defence mode since they know they are in some serious trouble.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2006, 09:56:54 AM
I could have sworn he left more towards the end of the game development cycle, or at least in the middle of it...
Post by: JonLeung on August 31, 2006, 09:57:54 AM
They probably feel like they need to remind people that they're out there, what with initial support sliding towards the Wii...but it's hard to say that there's no such thing as bad attention when they speak.
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 31, 2006, 10:40:57 AM
Quoteactually, it's all but ONE, so it's even worse
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
BigJim: With the problem of creating perfect Cell chip yields, and the fact that you must have all but two of the cells working for the PS3 to work properly, I can understand why this might happen.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 01, 2006, 05:58:40 AM
Post by: JonLeung on September 01, 2006, 09:36:13 AM
Post by: Donutt007 on September 01, 2006, 10:27:08 AM
Kinda strange that the official Playstation store won't have playable units until after the release. I remember when the PS2 came out they had one up well before the release. Even a pretty cool set-up for it in a seperate room with a big screen TV and a couch. Hell they even had PSP to try out before they came out!
Oh well. But they did say they are planning on having three PS3's set up.
Post by: Donutt007 on September 01, 2006, 11:47:53 AM
PSP to become virtual PS3
Some things that look kinda bad
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Kawanishi was then asked to comment on how the PSP will evolve from here. Specifically, Nikkei asked if he feels the system will become an information terminal in the future. "It depends on what the users want," responded Kawanishi. "It already has a Web Browser, and along those lines, schedule management and mailer applications will likely appear. However, it's important that the concept not lose focus. It would be troubling to have it become a machine whose use is unknown."
Well UMD movies failed, why not scrap the games too!
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"The PSP started off clearly with the position of a portable game machine," continued Kawanishi. "However, looking long term, there's the thought that it ought to become a portable network device. At that time, if there's demand for an information terminal, it is possible to take it in that direction."
OK, let's just make it a portable HardDrive with a screen
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Could the PSP ever replace your cell phone? "There is a possibility," said Kawanishi. "I won't deny it. Personally, I'm interested in it. Of course, it's not the case that you can connect to wireless LAN everywhere, so you can't call it a permanent connection. But cell phones are permanently connected. Cell phones get more interesting as their data transfer rate increases, and I think it would be extremely interesting to try something like that."
Just look at the success of the N-Gage!
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Sony will be demonstrating two new technological sides of the PSP at the Tokyo Game Show in September, where the system's GPS Receiver and camera will be on display. We also hope to see something regarding Sony's PlayStation emulation and e-Distribution programs.
A GPS receiver...WHY? wow, what utter useless crap in a game machine...I mean portable movie player...wait I mean.....BIG ASS MP3 player.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 01, 2006, 12:39:59 PM
Post by: JonLeung on September 01, 2006, 01:09:39 PM
Maybe when you're clearly outside of North American borders you can see risqué content like being able to play as naked Raiden (without hands over his crotch) .
Okay, I really don't know. It seems too much like a gimmick...I see game hardware pointless if not enough games use it...I would probably never buy a PSP and I don't think many PSP owners would even consider a GPS receiver...unless they needed such a device for real, non-game purposes. But if they didn't already have a PSP, I would guess that a standalone device is probably cheaper.
Post by: Donutt007 on September 01, 2006, 01:59:21 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Supposedly games like MGS: Portable Ops will use the GPS receiver. How? Not sure. Maybe you can pinpoint other MGS:PO players and sneak up on them, Solid Snake style?
Or you can find somebody that left their GPS on, track them down, beat them up and steal their PSP
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 01, 2006, 07:29:12 PM
The GPS is silly to me. I could actually understand it with the DS because the touch screen could impliment some pretty easy to use user-interface and a great tool. For games, it sounds pretty wierd, but hey...maybe Monster Rancher could create custom monsters determined by your location in the world.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 01, 2006, 07:44:26 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 01, 2006, 09:43:18 PM
NAVSTAR GPS is passive for the user, you can't track the receiver. And really, how would that work, millions of devices sending a signal powerful enough to reach into orbit?
Post by: oohhboy on September 01, 2006, 09:52:55 PM
linkie
An interesting artical. Discuss.
Post by: Smoke39 on September 01, 2006, 11:44:27 PM
Let's say we got two consoles of equal power. One's easy to develop for; developers easily take full advantage of the system from the start. The other's harder, and developers only start to take full advantage of it toward the end of the console's life span. By Hirai's logic, the latter's a better console. Regardless of whether or not this is the case with the PS3, the reasoning is completely flawed.
Post by: SixthAngel on September 02, 2006, 12:21:32 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 02, 2006, 07:45:29 PM
Quoteagreed, it's really interesting (despite already knowing the things it said
Originally posted by: oohhboy
Haahahaaha PWND!!!!1!!
linkie
An interesting artical. Discuss.
)a good thing is that, even though it's barely mentioned, they only say good things about Wii
Post by: Hocotate on September 03, 2006, 09:44:41 AM
Post by: IceCold on September 03, 2006, 04:46:24 PM
QuoteIt's not often that you hear someone tell you what they shouldn't do in the future when they're doing exactly what they mention in the present. Look at the PSP's tie in ratio! And UMD sales! It failed on both fronts, as a multimedia player AND a gaming device.. Are there any Thought Police in Sony Corp? Seriously, I think that everyone there actually believes that the PSP is succeeding.. A cell phone? Are you kidding me?
However, it's important that the concept not lose focus. It would be troubling to have it become a machine whose use is unknown
Post by: Ceric on September 03, 2006, 06:45:18 PM
Plus Cellphone is a very Blingy area. We all know that the PSP only was successful as Bling-Bling.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 05, 2006, 06:23:00 AM
I'm reading oohhboy's article, it's pretty interesting. One thing I found neat was that Kutarugi apparently expected Microsoft to enter the market years ahead of time. I'll add more thoughts when I'm done.
Edit: something just came into focus for me, while reading this. A lot of people saw Nintendo's online "strategy" as weak this generation, but Sony's was hardly better. The main difference is that Sony had five times more users...and it also released a couple of online games itself. Microsoft has won the online battle - up to this point. Friends codes are a pain, but I think the zero-dollar cost of Nintendo's online service will prove to be popular. According to the article Xbox live has 3 million subscribers but Nintendo WiFi has managed 1 million in under a year.
Ah ha ha ha, best quote from the article: "'I bought shares in mighty Sony,' cried a woman whose holdings had lost nearly two-thirds of their value."
You know, the conclusion to the article calling for, "no more wars in the living room", is interesting. Does Sony need to fight that war? If Sony had ignored Blu-ray and released a new console similar to Microsoft's several months ago, it seems to me that the company would be in much better shape. Maybe they would have had to ignore Cell Processors too. Ultimately these technologies could pay off big-time for Sony but they don't offer clear advantages for games or gamers, so they could be the downfall of the product.
Post by: JonLeung on September 05, 2006, 06:29:53 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkeyWhere is a true Final Fantasy game for this system?
Square-Enix thinks the GBA is a better place for their (I), II, IV, V, and VI ports, and III for the DS. I think they know who rules handhelds. And all of their non-porting teams are probably working on XIII, XIII Versus, that XIII spin-off mobile phone game, that VII spin-off mobile phone game, thinking up some more VII spin-offs...you know how they are.
If they did do a PSP game, that might be a selling point. Square-Enix is a big selling name for the PS2 and PS3, after all. But for some reason they won't.
EDIT: I suppose they're also working on the Wii (and DS?) versions of Crystal Chronicles, plus there's some Chocobo game and a few Dragon Quest games. They sure know how to keep busy; PSP probably isn't a priority for them...and the longer they stay away, the less likely it ever will be.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 05, 2006, 07:06:26 AM
I think another issue Sony faces with PSP is that it put all this power into the system, but developers aren't willing to spend the money to make PS2-quality games on a handheld. So you pay a premium price for a powerful system filled with ports, remakes, and games that could have been done on the DS hardware.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 05, 2006, 08:12:48 AM
Final Fantasy 3 surprises me, being on the DS, until you realize you have a chance to own a system that can play every classic Final Fantasy game, why not redesign the game exclusively for the DS.
I predict more and more classic RPGs will be coming to the DS for these reasons.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised to see the Playstation Games ported to DS, it wouldn't be THAT difficult to pull off.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 05, 2006, 09:21:17 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 05, 2006, 11:31:59 AM
Of course at this point it might be too late for one game to make a difference, Sony should have been hopping on this about six months ago when it started to become obvious that DS was winning Japan.
Post by: Ceric on September 05, 2006, 03:36:18 PM
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Source: A MacWorld Review of the Core 2 Duo
“Buying a 64-bit capable Core 2 Duo notebook right now is like buying a Playstation 3 when there won’t be any games for another two years,” Bhavnani said.
Slam... From a none gaming source.
Post by: JonLeung on September 05, 2006, 04:38:35 PM
PS3 Backwards Compatibility not so Backwards?
If you end up with a PS3 in one of those "rare instances" that can't play CDs, DVDs, Blu-Rays, PSX discs, and PS2 discs, then all you need is one that can't play PS3 discs. :P
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 05, 2006, 06:18:37 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 05, 2006, 10:54:47 PM
Considering the dev costs and average profit expectations of a Final Fantasy title that has to be a HUGE dump truck.
Post by: BigJim on September 06, 2006, 12:14:27 AM
SCEE Website
"Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) today announced that it would revise the launch date of its PLAYSTATION® 3 computer entertainment system in the PAL territories ... to March 2007."
Herald Tribune
"In the U.S., about 400,000 PlayStation 3 machines will be available when they go on sale Nov. 17. About 100,000 will be available on the Nov. 11 Japan launch date."
Totally didn't see THAT coming.
Post by: Mario on September 06, 2006, 12:27:27 AM
Sony is finished. Not only is PS3 going to be behind Xbox 360 and Wii this holidays, but PS2 and PSP. PS3 will be like the 6th highest selling system this holidays in Japan.
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2006, 03:52:57 AM
...Does ANYONE WANT THE JAPANESE MARKET AT ALL?!?!?!
Guys, get your PS3 pre-orders in NOW. This is gonna be ugly.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Mario on September 06, 2006, 03:54:16 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if they DIDN'T sell out?
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2006, 04:04:18 AM
1. Third-party game sales
2. Hardware failure rates
Oh man... and Sony's just left Japan wide open. Only 100,000 units at launch? That would mean the XBox 360 would have a higher install base! Is like... the way completely clear for Nintendo to completely be the only real Next-Gen contender in Japan?!?!?!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 06, 2006, 04:11:38 AM
They must really think the US market is too important to botch up because they are giving the US more 3/4 of the initial launch units. Sony must have decided the US market is too dangerous to lose. But at this point, Nintendo should have about 1 million unit lead on Sony in US and a 2 million unit lead on Sony in Japan. OUCH!!!
The only thing that makes those numbers make any sense is if Sony will have 2 or 3 more shipments before the Holiday Season is over. Perhaps Sony can give Japan most of the second shipments to even out the launch numbers.
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2006, 04:22:09 AM
But the thing is, MS was able to launch against no competition and they were able to deliver weekly/biweekly shipments until the new year.
Hmmm.... oh yeah, It really is pragmatic to put more units in the USA. MS is no threat in Japan and they're gonna buy the Wii anyways. Concentrate on America where the largest most high-profile market is and where MS stands to make some serious inroads.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Artimus on September 06, 2006, 04:35:59 AM
Nintendo needs to release Pokemon Diamond the same week as the PS3 (or any other major profile game) along with a new colour and the PS3 would lose to a two year old handheld. LMAO. Heck, it'll likely lose to the Wii depending on timing and supplies!
Post by: KDR_11k on September 06, 2006, 04:42:15 AM
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2006, 04:51:56 AM
This would be devastatingly distressing if Nintendo delayed the Wii in Europe as well. That would suck.
Oh, and Nintendo, you know how you were rumored to be upping numbers to 5.5 mil this calendar year? Better make that 8.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 06, 2006, 04:52:18 AM
When asked "Can I still play my PS2 games, etc... on PS3?", and it gives the answer and then at the bottom in fine print it says this, and I quote:
"* Some PlayStation 2 or PlayStation format software titles may perform differently on this system than they do on PlayStation 2 or PlayStationsystems, or may not perform properly on this system. In rare instances,CDs, DVDs, Blu-ray discs and other media may not operate properly onthe PS3 system. This is primarily due to variations in the manufacturing process or encoding of the software.*"
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 06, 2006, 05:02:55 AM
My prediction is that the $600 systems are the only ones that truly work properly, and the $500 systems are being cheaply manufactored to help with price issues. Just like the Xbox 360 if you try to save money and by the cheaper system you are screwing yourself in the long run.
Post by: Donutt007 on September 06, 2006, 05:16:12 AM
Post by: capamerica on September 06, 2006, 05:24:23 AM
Seriously if MS was looking for a good time to steal market share away from Sony in Japan this is the time.
Post by: Aussiedude on September 06, 2006, 05:53:43 AM
He hopes it will play Blue Ray movies as well
Post by: JonLeung on September 06, 2006, 05:56:50 AM
And, hey, Lord_die_seis! I posted that same thing like 13 posts before you did (last night, even) and no one responded! >_<
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 06, 2006, 06:07:29 AM
"The blue laser diode is a key component of the PS3's Blu-Ray drive and the shortage is expected to affect other Blu-Ray products in Sony's line-up, not just PlayStation 3." Source: IGN
Sony won't be able to supply a large second shipment of PS3s because they are already limited resources that must be shared among all Blue-Ray products. This means that those numbers won't be backed up with a steady supply of new shipments, and could very easily be final numbers for the entire holiday season. (I doubt it will be final numbers, but I don't see them increasing drastically.)
I predict final units available for Japan and US will be:
US: 700,000
Japan: 500,000
Post by: Aussiedude on September 06, 2006, 06:12:07 AM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 06, 2006, 06:16:53 AM
Or will only the $600 system be available? Or only the $500 system?
If the numbers are split bad for those who want to spend the money to get the better model, or those who needed to save $100, but can't because those units already sold out.
I would say if they only had the $600 system it would be bad for many deciding not to buy it...however, those units available are so low, they almost have to sell out.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 06, 2006, 06:18:34 AM
This is a fiasco and a half. On the disc reading things: It's probably Sony doing it's best to cover it's arse on early manufacturing issues. Backwards compatability in particular is never perfect, even on Nintendo's Gameboy line. But I agree that the possbility that it will f*** up on Blu-Ray movies is ridiculous. One more reason to wait a year to buy your PS3.
Japan is left wide-open and the U.S. is still poorly covered...tsk. Sony was right to delay some launch, in fact I'm beginning to think it should have delayed all but the American or Japanese launch...can't decide which...you're either letting Nintendo take Japan or Microsoft take North America. I'm going to argue Japan, because without the Japanese devs, Sony has practically nothing. Grand Theft Auto has already been lost to Xbox 360 and Sony's other western products like Jak seem to be good games, but not big blockbusters.
I think it will be fully possible to get a handful of PS3s at Wal-Marts around here on launch day, and I intend to do so and sell them all to casual gamers that don't know what's up.
Edit: If Sony's problem is partially due to sharing lasers among various units, I would seriously consider shorting the standalone players in favour of PS3. Everyone knows PS3 could sell 2-3 million in NA and Japan this year if they were available, and PS3 plays Blu-Ray without risking Sony's important video game business.
Post by: Aussiedude on September 06, 2006, 06:23:01 AM
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The system will be still be launched in the US and Japan in November, but has run-up against production problems in Europe. Shares in Game fell 6p to 85p.
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Post by: couchmonkey on September 06, 2006, 06:27:23 AM
Post by: Aussiedude on September 06, 2006, 06:33:42 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I'm thinking those guys will recover...this is Sony's problem, and while it will hurt the industry in general, I'm sure 360, Wii and DS can pick up the slack.
I need to visit EB tomorrow to transfer my PS3 preorder deposit to either my Wii preorder or a black DS-Lite. I'd Like a 360 but refuse to get one with the current reliability and heat issues, maybe when they release the redesigned unit next year.
Post by: Louieturkey on September 06, 2006, 06:39:01 AM
Post by: Donutt007 on September 06, 2006, 06:39:47 AM
Now would be the perfect time for Xbox to release the HD-DVD add on for the 360....massive damage indeed!
Post by: KDR_11k on September 06, 2006, 07:07:02 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 06, 2006, 07:17:36 AM
Hey, those 400,000 PS3's will go IMMEDIATELY to all the winners of those "FREE PS3 CONGRATS YOU'RE A WINNER" emails.
NONE OF YU WILL FIND A PS3 IN STORES.
Post by: BigJim on September 06, 2006, 07:19:51 AM
This demonstrates once and for all that Sony primarily sees the PS3 as a BRD player first, and a console 2nd. They are just trying to cut off HD-DVD at the nads. The beast serves too many masters, and this is what happens.
The BRD warning with movies is most likely the same as the PS2's DVD playback. The DVD player was/is basically software-run, as opposed to having dedicated hardware acceleration. So some DVDs looked like crap, some didn't operate at all. Sounds like they might get a piss-poor BRD player. But I guess when you pay only $600 instead of $1000, you "get" what you pay for.
Post by: Ceric on September 06, 2006, 07:20:26 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I think that "might not play" notice is more of a legal CYA so noone comes complaining when some old disc won't run. Maybe some jerk at the MPAA will decide to add another copy restriction measure to BRD movies and "accidentally" break PS3 compatibility in the process.
There fixed.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 06, 2006, 07:32:47 AM
500000 for the "worldwide" launch???
like, 1/4th of their original prediction?
Sony sucks
seems like Sega got a great opponent for WORST DECISIONS EVER MADE AWARD
Post by: Ceric on September 06, 2006, 07:50:39 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 06, 2006, 08:08:15 AM
Having said that, I agree with BigJim, the 100K launch is so tiny. I would try to split the launch numbers a little more evenly. They're both going to sell out anyway, why not split 200/300, or even 150/350? Of course, Sony may have some business strategy we don't even know about...maybe North American investors are playing into the decision and Sony feels a need to have big sales numbers to show them, or something like that.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 06, 2006, 08:15:25 AM
Post by: JonLeung on September 06, 2006, 09:14:03 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 06, 2006, 09:53:50 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 06, 2006, 02:24:02 PM
Post by: decoyman on September 06, 2006, 02:58:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Something that doesn't print money isn't so bad. I mean nothing I own prints money and I'm cool with that. The PS3 DESTROYS money and that's what is worth crying over. The pic should have money being sucked into it and shredded to pieces.
Post by: IceCold on September 06, 2006, 03:33:36 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on September 06, 2006, 09:05:07 PM
Choke on it, Sony.
Post by: IceCold on September 06, 2006, 09:24:29 PM
QuoteAnd all the while, Nintendo's stock has skyrocketed - doubled in just a year.. Man, I knew I should have bought some
Originally posted by: Aussiedude
And causes shares in game to drop by 7%. Game must be really happy with Sony!Quote
The system will be still be launched in the US and Japan in November, but has run-up against production problems in Europe. Shares in Game fell 6p to 85p.
link
Post by: Hocotate on September 06, 2006, 11:22:43 PM
Post by: Mario on September 07, 2006, 12:00:37 AM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteAnd all the while, Nintendo's stock has skyrocketed - doubled in just a year.. Man, I knew I should have bought some
Originally posted by: Aussiedude
And causes shares in game to drop by 7%. Game must be really happy with Sony!Quote
The system will be still be launched in the US and Japan in November, but has run-up against production problems in Europe. Shares in Game fell 6p to 85p.
link
Same, If I knew how I would have bought heaps back in 2004 when it would had to have been at it's lowest.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 07, 2006, 04:02:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Donutt007
Now I wonder if the blu-ray movie issue is going to be with certain movies or certain hardware. It could be that a standard hasn't been set with the recording format and some studios titles won't work. I remember they had that problem with the PS2, wasn't it some Disney movies couldn't play or something like that?
Now would be the perfect time for Xbox to release the HD-DVD add on for the 360....massive damage indeed!
I couldn't get Confessions of a Teen-age Drama Queen to play on my PS2. The disc had like two versions on it Full Screen and Wide Screen and I couldn't select either so the disc just stayed at the selection screen. So I just returned the DVD back downstairs with all the other and never got to watch the movie at all.
I had a problem with Day of the Dead DVD (not disney, but...). Whenever I trued to watch it, it would automatically start to play with the commentary on and it was a huge hassel to get the damn thing to not play with the movie. I don't know if that was because I was watching it on my PS2 or just a disc glitch.
Post by: Aussiedude on September 07, 2006, 04:49:23 AM
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I couldn't get Confessions of a Teen-age Drama Queen to play on my PS2
Well at least the PS2 has some enduring qualities
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 04:51:43 AM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
It's all karma baby. Next generation doesn't start until we say it does, We didn't build the PS3 based on a sparkling innovation, the PS3 is actually too cheap, the PS3 is a computer, insert arrogant quote here, etc, have all lead to Sony f*cking this up. And made it that much sweeter if you ask me.
Choke on it, Sony.
Karma is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Perhaps it is involved. I can kind of understand them being arrogant, but apparently arrogant AND stupid? Arrogance can't possibly lead to so many bad decisions and bad luck that lead to production problems that lead to constant delays that lead to developer support dropping that lead to consumer distaste that could very well possibly lead to them falling from #1. Or can it? Perhaps I speak too soon. Perhaps the PS3 will be the greatest thing EVER. But it certainly looks like it would take a miracle for that to happen. Or, perhaps, quite a few miracles. I'm sure they can market the thing well - or at least a lot - but if the product is as shoddy as everyone thinks it is now, it's certainly not going to be quite the hype machine when word-of-mouth keeps killing it.
At the same time, it would take a lot of screw-ups on Nintendo's part to deflate Wii hype now. But we all knew that.
Post by: Aussiedude on September 07, 2006, 04:56:07 AM
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Originally posted by: MarioQuote
Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteAnd all the while, Nintendo's stock has skyrocketed - doubled in just a year.. Man, I knew I should have bought some
Originally posted by: Aussiedude
And causes shares in game to drop by 7%. Game must be really happy with Sony!Quote
The system will be still be launched in the US and Japan in November, but has run-up against production problems in Europe. Shares in Game fell 6p to 85p.
link
Same, If I knew how I would have bought heaps back in 2004 when it would had to have been at it's lowest.
I believe Nintendo is also listed on the NYSE, so you could buy it via comsec online (they charge about $300 AUD annually plus normal buy/sell fees however for managing NYSE transactions).
Alternatively you can get it via a local stock broker, not sure of the fees for this.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 07, 2006, 05:35:36 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 07, 2006, 07:51:09 AM
It isn't going to be ready for Christmas in Europe.
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2006, 07:56:45 AM
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Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 07, 2006, 09:25:12 AM
I bet EA's PSP games would even sale better than the PS3 counterparts......thats how bad Sony has it due to its shipment fiasco, and it is so much worse for Japan. I bet you anything Japanese gamers are truly pissed off right about now.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 07, 2006, 09:26:00 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJim "In the U.S., about 400,000 PlayStation 3 machines will be available when they go on sale Nov. 17. About 100,000 will be available on the Nov. 11 Japan launch date."
Game over, man...game...f*cking...over.
It will literally be impossible for the PS3 to do better than the Wii. Just let that factoid soak in for a bit...
I'm sure Nintendo will have well over 500k in Wiiorders when launch comes.
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Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 09:35:18 AM
And this is a big one...with the increasing unlikeliness of having a PS3 under anyone's tree this Christmas, many more people will want a Wii this Christmas. I hope I'm not already screwed for the Wii.
It may be good news for Nintendo fan(boy)s like myself that the PS3 is doing so badly before it's even released, but if that means more people want a Wii then I may really have to consider not only preordering the Wii but also games and possible accessories as well. o_0 Stupid Sony's not content with just screwing themselves over, it seems.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 07, 2006, 10:52:02 AM
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 07:32:07 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 08, 2006, 03:26:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Reuters
Sony hits stumbling blocks on road to recovery
Fri Sep 8, 2006 11:50 AM BST
By Nathan Layne
TOKYO (Reuters) - It seems to be one thing after another for Sony Corp. <6758.T> these days.
After a recall involving millions of Sony-made personal computer batteries and yet another delay for the PlayStation 3 game console, even one of Sony's top executives is questioning whether the company is on the right track.
"If you asked me if Sony's strength in hardware was in decline, right now I guess I would have to say that might be true," game unit head Ken Kutaragi said after Sony pushed back the PS3's European launch by four months to March.
The delay means Sony will miss the crucial Christmas shopping season in Europe, giving Microsoft Corp. <MSFT.O> and Nintendo Co. <7974.OS> a head start in the race to win over next-generation gamers in key markets like Germany and Spain.
But for investors, the bigger worry is what the setback says about Sony's reputation as a top-class manufacturer with the ability to deliver quality products to the market on time.
Now look at the link above this post and the pic with the close up of KK face...
I think that is where his career is headed after the botched handling of PS3 as a product and Sony as a company.
Post by: Ceric on September 08, 2006, 04:16:40 AM
Now on the link above it has a link to the "Console Wars." I watched it. It's a funny Star Wars thing.
Post by: JonLeung on September 08, 2006, 09:57:34 AM
He's only guessing?
I think everyone strongly believes Sony's strength in hardware is declining. I guess it's hard for him to admit that but it's not like saying what he did is much better. See, if he did the opposite and denied it absolutely outright, some of us could at least think that he knows something that we don't. But by saying that he "guesses" that it "might" be true, that doesn't sound very confident and makes it seem more likely that he knows it actually is in decline (and in trouble).
Ah, or is this too much "between-the-lines" reading?
Post by: wandering on September 08, 2006, 10:24:26 AM
Post by: capamerica on September 08, 2006, 10:59:14 AM
Post by: Ceric on September 08, 2006, 11:11:22 AM
Me: I'm instituting a new policy. Everytime someone says something stupid or damaging they get caned. I only abide absolute faith.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 08, 2006, 11:23:43 AM
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The PLAYSTATION 3's plight to store shelves has been surreal. If you think things have been hard on the consumer end, try making games for it. How bad have things been? For months, we've been hearing reports of Sony's lack of developer support. Worst yet, the company is now apparently running short on developer hardware and leaving everyone in the gray. Our Mole (no, not an Insider, a Mole) dishes:
Sony has run out of PS3 test kits to give to developers. Since the announcement of the European launch being delayed, nobody has any idea what's going to happen with the PS3 port of F.E.A.R... specially since we only have the one PS3. And it's a devkit. In case you haven't seen those things, they sound like giant vacuum cleaners. They're reportedly ridiculously complicated to use, specially when upgrading the firmware. It has just the one controller, and it's not even the proper PS3 one even! It doesn't have those "innovative" changes from the PS3 controller, it's just a Dual Shock 2 with a USB Mini port.
So, uh...If this is true (wouldn't doubt most of this...):
~ Out of SDKs
~ Loud SDKs (doesn't fare well for the actual system...)
~ Difficult to use SDKs
~ Tilt-less SDK controllers
This would be a problem...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 08, 2006, 11:36:18 AM
THE COMEDY DOESN'T STOP
Post by: Ceric on September 08, 2006, 01:10:03 PM
First borns so we may extract their souls to make Blu-Ray discs and diodes. That mole gets extra canings and we will make his whole family into Brady Bunch Blu-Ray Collection.
As I stated here at Sony we only abide absolute faith.
Post by: Kairon on September 08, 2006, 05:10:47 PM
Sounds like Sony made a really bad mistake with adding tilt functionality to their controllers at the last second.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 08, 2006, 05:26:53 PM
Whenever I hear Sony fail at anything I become gleeful, and my day is bright and happy no matter what.
I don't have this feeling because I am a Nintendo fanboy. I really have no problem with Microsoft being in the market...I thought I would, but they have been more respectful to the gamer and the industry than Sony ever has in its entire existance. Look at Microsoft for a second, it allows Rare the time needed to create their games, and keep their Rare feel even though sometimes it is not hip, cool, or overly mature. They allowed Rare to continue to make GBA games. They have tried to truly give gamers exactly what they want in a system and great games to support it. The Xbox 360 is more a gamers console than the original system was.
Now, I am not in love with the games available at this time, but each day that list is growing and becoming stronger.
Unfortunately for both Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo just seems to have awoken from their slumber and have been doing everything perfect. Sure it perfect according to the "Nintendo Way" but they haven't had many missteps at all leading to the launch, they have a killer launch lineup of games, larger than an console before it. They have 3rd party support, They even have a great variety of first party games available for launch and beyond.
Sorry Sony, but I feel life is going to be rosy for me and bad for you for the rest of the year.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 08, 2006, 06:06:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Wow. Could we see no tilt functionality until..say... mid 2007 for the PS3?
Sounds like Sony made a really bad mistake with adding tilt functionality to their controllers at the last second.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
But they have been designing it for YEARS.
Post by: JonLeung on September 08, 2006, 06:30:15 PM
But when it comes down to the actual designing of it, man, it's like they sat on their laurels, spent their PS2 dollars on who-knows-what, and then threw what they weren't going to spend at their hardware developers when they heard the Xbox 360 was about to launch. Well, just about. I mean, sheesh. As of now, there's not even final PS3 development kits, and not many of them, and supposedly Wiis are next to finalization if not already produced, perhaps?
Remember a year ago or so when people thought they knew everything about the PS3 and we were all griping that we hadn't even seen a thing of the "Revolution"? Now we know that it's called the Wii and the crazy controller and a bunch of games and a lot of what it could offer - and realize that developers still don't even truly know what's going on with the PS3 - other than that it's an overpriced, beefed-up, bulkier PlayStation.
If Sony themselves are doubting the PS3, what hope is there for anyone who wants a PS3?
Post by: KDR_11k on September 08, 2006, 09:50:53 PM
Post by: jasonditz on September 09, 2006, 06:53:14 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Oh, sure, we've heard about the PS3 for years...people were talking about it since the PS2 came out. Essentially they think Sony won the future - and it's easy enough to talk about something where all you do is add the next number on. Heck, if the PS3 isn't a total disaster...I predict a PlayStation 4, which everyone will refer to as the "PS4"! Ooooh. Big whoop.
I think it was more a glib commentary on Sony's claim that the tilt control wasn't a desperate last minute add-on but rather something they'd planned all along.
Post by: Kairon on September 09, 2006, 12:05:32 PM
Supposedly, the XBox360 is actually tracking WORSE than the XBox, and might only have an American install base of 3 paltry million right now. If America is XBox360's strongest market, then they could be in trouble if they fail to maintain a dominant this holiday season.
I still think that MS should announce a price drop this fall to get some momentum. It's not about competing against the PS3, it's about appearing as the dominant system in consumer's minds with a more palatable price point and a buy-us-instead-of-not-in-stock-PS3 message.
Edit:
Oh, and let's say that hypothetically Nintendo DOES get 5.5+ million Wiis out worldwide for 2006. Does this mean that there won't be shortages?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 09, 2006, 12:20:37 PM
Post by: jasonditz on September 09, 2006, 01:02:03 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 09, 2006, 01:22:45 PM
Post by: JonLeung on September 09, 2006, 02:21:57 PM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
I think it was more a glib commentary on Sony's claim that the tilt control wasn't a desperate last minute add-on but rather something they'd planned all along.
Ah. Yes. You're right.
Still, the point I added remains...the PS3 as a whole has been expected and supposedly a work in progress all along since about the PS2 launch, and it still seems quite shoddily put together. It's almost as if the whole thing was a rush job - not just the motion sensor addition.
And I still think it's dumb for the PlayStation font to now be the same as the Spider-Man font. It's like they couldn't even bother to get someone to design a new font, even.
Post by: Ceric on September 09, 2006, 03:31:33 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 09, 2006, 11:59:28 PM
Post by: Aussiedude on September 10, 2006, 02:02:15 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Disclaimer: Kairon's right, this is just my opinion, I know nothing about the stock market. Of course, neither does anybody, it's basically like gambling. Some informal studies have shown that randomly picking stocks works as well as expertly selecting them. But yeah, if anyone buys Nintendo stocks on my advice and subsequently loses money, that's their problem!
Well I dont work, my only income is from the stockmarket so I dont agree with this "random select" comment.
However only financial advisers can legaly give advise on what stocks to buy. I dont use them, I analyse the stock myself.
Good luck on your Nintendo stock.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 10, 2006, 03:24:55 AM
I think it's real.
Post by: Arbok on September 10, 2006, 08:21:50 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=196158&cid=16074429
I think it's real.
The PS3 far better on paper and at pulling off senseless benchmarks than at doing actual gameplay, much like the PS2? For some reason I'm surprised, even though we have seen this all before from Sony. The source sure does sound like he knows what he's doing, and I'm inclined to believe him as considering what he's saying there is no way that the person would go on the record with those comments. Still, could be false all the same and there is no real way to check it one way or the other until the system is actually out.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 10, 2006, 09:24:05 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 10, 2006, 10:00:38 AM
Post by: Aussiedude on September 10, 2006, 12:32:27 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=196158&cid=16074429
I think it's real.
Well I'm a qualified electronics engineer (retired now) and that sounds authentic. If its fake its well done.
Post by: Ceric on September 10, 2006, 02:57:48 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 10, 2006, 03:47:27 PM
Post by: wandering on September 10, 2006, 03:52:02 PM
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Actually, it's even worse than that. Nintendo never bled the customer with insane price-points and they never lied about shipments (they did push it back, but that was a uniform pushback). Really, it's almost identical.
One thing you have to give Nintendo credit for: they may have treated devs like dirt, but they never treated their customers that way.
Post by: Ceric on September 10, 2006, 06:22:49 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 10, 2006, 06:37:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Right now I sort of feel like dirt/unimportant.
Ah you want a hug Ceric? Maybe Reggie can give yah a hug if you see him, a big bear hug!
Post by: Smoke39 on September 10, 2006, 06:39:11 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 10, 2006, 06:45:49 PM
Post by: Ceric on September 10, 2006, 07:00:10 PM
Now Iwata and Miyamoto they both look sort of cuddly. They should make them into plushies.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 11, 2006, 08:58:10 AM
there should be two lines:
- Iwata and Miyamoto: Plushies
- Reggie and Yamauchi: Iron Fist
Post by: JonLeung on September 12, 2006, 04:55:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Thats if you get close enough and don't get smited by his greatness or SeaMonster... Gotta love the SeaMonster...
I was going to make a topic about "how close have you gotten to Reggie", if only to brag about the only semi-lame photo I have of him. Standing in line at Nintendo's booth at E3, after getting past the walls around the perimeter and actually in it now, about where one could chat with Charles Martinet on those two-way conversation screens, Tina Wood from G4 had just walked by, apparently hurried with something, and then Reggie walked by going the other way, talking with some other important-looking guy. I reached for my camera and went to take a picture, but by the time I did, they both had walked past so the picture is of them from behind. It's still less than a few feet away, so it's still the closest visual proof that I was near the now-President of America.
Nintendo has Miyamoto and Reggie and Iwata. Sony has Kaz and Kutaragi. Is there any wonder people like Nintendo more than Sony?
Heck, you'd think Nintendo would be a great place to work overall. It makes me wonder why high-profile Nintendo people like Ken Lobbs and Howard Philips (yes, the one who created and hung out with Nintendo Power's own Nester) moved on to Microsoft. >_<
Post by: Arbok on September 12, 2006, 07:10:44 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Heck, you'd think Nintendo would be a great place to work overall. It makes me wonder why high-profile Nintendo people like Ken Lobbs and Howard Philips (yes, the one who created and hung out with Nintendo Power's own Nester) moved on to Microsoft.
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Post by: EasyCure on September 12, 2006, 07:26:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
lol
there should be two lines:
- Iwata and Miyamoto: Plushies
- Reggie and Yamauchi: Iron Fist
Reggie and Yamauchi should be transformer like action figures that come with GIANT ENEMY CRABS which they inflict MASSIVE DAMAGE to
Post by: KDR_11k on September 12, 2006, 08:28:54 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 12, 2006, 08:43:49 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 12, 2006, 09:07:32 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2006, 09:11:13 AM
QuoteIf that were true I would go out and buy a GC and send it into Nintendo to get the original version then trade it in for 5 free games. 5 games for $69.99-99.99 plus shipping.... sounds like an excellent deal to me
Originally posted by: Professional 666
more like trade in my digital-out gamecube and get 5 launch games for free
Post by: JonLeung on September 15, 2006, 10:24:33 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 15, 2006, 10:29:05 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2006, 10:40:10 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 15, 2006, 11:10:54 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 17, 2006, 06:59:32 PM
just look at the game's boxes....
Post by: Aussiedude on September 18, 2006, 03:20:06 AM
Tony Hawk’s Project 8 will not support online play
"Neversoft is confident the PS3 version of the game will ship at launch in November, but it still hasn't received all of the software libraries and has no indication of how the online components will work on PS3, so it's not offering them," detailed the report.
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Post by: vudu on September 18, 2006, 09:27:54 AM
Post by: JonLeung on September 18, 2006, 09:56:28 AM
"Sure, it's the same as other PlayStation controllers. But that's the industry standard, and now it's equipped with our innovative motion sensing technology".
Suuuure...
Post by: wandering on September 18, 2006, 10:06:49 AM
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just look at the game's boxes....
I still can't get over the Spiderman font. I'm not sure what they were hoping it would communicate, but it just, to me, makes the console look slapdash.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 18, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
I'm gonna take a bet Sony prices there controllers at 59.99 too, market the controller as the Wii controller, but more superior and more innovative........Riiiiddddggggeeeee Raacccceeerr! <------Thats how Sony should end all press conferences, we all know at E3 at that point all hope was lost in their E3 show.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 18, 2006, 03:36:31 PM
Win.
Post by: IceCold on September 18, 2006, 05:26:55 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 18, 2006, 08:20:56 PM
LOL
Post by: couchmonkey on September 19, 2006, 05:45:09 AM
Playstation 3 Network Will Cures all Diseases
Post by: Blue Plant on September 19, 2006, 08:35:24 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 19, 2006, 09:14:48 AM
Post by: JonLeung on September 20, 2006, 08:42:55 AM
I guess if the Cell processors don't fail, there's more raw computing power in the PS3, but hey, it can't hurt to have the Wii help out. It'd be cool to say "my Wii cures diseases", even if only potentially.
Post by: Kairon on September 20, 2006, 09:20:59 AM
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Post by: JonLeung on September 20, 2006, 09:41:19 AM
Or is it? ;P
Post by: jasonditz on September 20, 2006, 09:48:57 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 20, 2006, 04:52:43 PM
Post by: capamerica on September 20, 2006, 05:58:52 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Well, the PS3 isn't so shoddily put together that it'll fail or break apart just by sitting around doing nothing...
Or is it? ;P
My First PS2 (v3) died after sitting next to my TV for about a month and a half. It just stopped powering on.
My Second PS2 (v6) died after about 2 years. It would boot and stay on for 15min then power off and it would have to sit for about 30min before I could use it again.
I'm now on my 3rd PS2 which is a 2nd Gen Slim (v13), 13! How many freaken versions did Sony need to make?
My PSP (fw 2.5) had control issues 2 weeks after I got it, I just put it on my shelf and haven't touched it since. There was nothing out there for it game wise anyway, I finished the 2 games I wanted to play with in the first week.
Sony makes some of the worst products on the market, they are extremely cheap, which is a crying shame cause Sony uses to be known for making top of the line stuff. We uses to own a Sony TV that lasted us over 23 years, IT still worked perfectly when we got rid of it, But now a days your lucky if something with the Sony name on it lasts you more then 2 years.
I'm more then willing to bet that the PS3 will have a 90% failure rate with the first couple versions.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 20, 2006, 07:04:14 PM
Post by: capamerica on September 20, 2006, 07:17:21 PM
I would say the system will have about a 50-60% failure rate. 1. Sony is really waiting last min to get the PS3 out the door and is rushing it out. 2. The PS3 is using pretty much untested parts, We don't know how the Cell or Blu-Ray will last. and 3. Sony isn't well known for making Quality products anymore.
The xbox360 had about a 20-30% failure rate.
Post by: Kairon on September 20, 2006, 07:30:43 PM
This is Sony but... THIS is SONY!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: capamerica on September 20, 2006, 07:44:18 PM
They had a pretty bad batch of PSPs and they weren't rushed as much as the PS3 is. SOny has been cutting corners already with the PS3 between having a 10-20% of produced Cell chips are defect-less meaning they can actually be used in a PS3 then added on top of that 1 out of 3 cell chips doesn't meet quality guidelines, and then having a extremely limited supply of blue lasers available. I think Sony rather just get units out there, even if they will die within a couple months just so they can get them out there. Its better to have something out there then nothing at all.
Post by: Hocotate on September 20, 2006, 07:46:14 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 20, 2006, 07:49:24 PM
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Post by: SixthAngel on September 20, 2006, 08:23:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
So... does this mean that Europe ISN'T getting shafted?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Don't worry, most of the production problems probably won't be ironed out by March so Europe will have the same experience as NA and won't feel even more left out then they already do.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 21, 2006, 07:14:51 AM
Quoteexactly why I would believe that it could have a 50% failure rate....
Originally posted by: Kairon
This is Sony but... THIS is SONY!
Quotelol, since the PS3 is more complex than the PS2, I believe they'll never iron it out
Originally posted by: SixthAngelDon't worry, most of the production problems probably won't be ironed out by March so Europe will have the same experience as NA and won't feel even more left out then they already do.
Post by: jasonditz on September 21, 2006, 07:36:03 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 21, 2006, 11:56:57 AM
lol, Sony will tell you that it is perfectly normal that the game displays a few blotched dots on your screen, and you should wait 6 months and it should correct itself.
Post by: jasonditz on September 21, 2006, 12:19:24 PM
I had bad luck with my post-Genesis Sega stuff too... my Saturn's cartridge slot is busted, and neither of my Dreamcasts are working anymore.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 22, 2006, 08:08:11 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 22, 2006, 06:05:57 PM
Apparently Sony's Hardware cooling system is very very highly advance....
Post by: KDR_11k on September 22, 2006, 11:41:46 PM
Summary: GT HD will come in two editions, classic and premium, the former comes without any cars or tracks, the latter includes 30 cars and two tracks. You have to download those at 100-200 JPY per car and 200-500 JPY per track.
This is just too insane to be real and I think it's just an attempt to use the wave of negative press Sony is getting to publish some untrue stories and spread anti-microtransaction sentiment (not that that's a bad thing, mind you) but stranger things have happened.
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 23, 2006, 02:01:58 PM
Post by: Arbok on September 23, 2006, 03:38:44 PM
I really can't see that coming to pass, though, or if it does at least failing hard on the GT series and never (hopefully) be attempted again.
Post by: Ceric on September 23, 2006, 06:12:02 PM
Oh, on a side note for cooling. If the PS3 used a Peltier cooling device to cool the processor I would finally find something to really love about the thing. In fact I hope the Wii does. Darn, one side being a jet engine.
The downside is that if there is any liquid in between it and the chip it will damage it. But if you manufacture the chip it already attached you could have tighter tolerance and more control conditions then what is normally achieved at home. It would still up the failure rate higher then a traditional fan setup.
Post by: wandering on September 23, 2006, 06:28:02 PM
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If that is true, I think Sony has pretty much just given up at this point and are ready to milk their hardcore fans for all they are worth on the way out.
Giving up on everyone but hardcore fans at launch isn't really giving up at all...
Post by: Arbok on September 23, 2006, 09:22:07 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Giving up on everyone but hardcore fans at launch isn't really giving up at all...
That would assume that GT would be a launch only title, which it won't, so others will have the chance to feel the burn on it as well... again, taking this news to heart.
Post by: wandering on September 23, 2006, 09:28:06 PM
Post by: stevey on September 24, 2006, 10:09:29 AM
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A complete copy of the game will cost gamers somewhere between $426.50 and $975, and that's without factoring in whatever Sony decides to charge for the menus (since that's all you'll get with GT HD: Classic).
hahahaha sony game cost more than the system!!!
burn! $ony burn!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 24, 2006, 01:29:01 PM
I could see a Core version with like 25-50 cars and 12 tracks. Then a Premium version of the game with 75-100 cars with 24 Tracks included.
You would have to decide if you wanted to be a completist or not. But this way you wouldn't have to buy a new version in a few years.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 24, 2006, 09:07:01 PM
The flaw in your logic is that releasing a new version a few years later and ceasing support for the current version forces you to buy all your cars again. Who'd miss that profit opportunity?
Post by: capamerica on September 25, 2006, 09:45:37 AM
Your avarage Xbox360 and Wii games won't be anwhere near as expencive as the PS3 games. Nintendo is keeping current generation prices and MS is just $10 more then this gen.
Post by: Hocotate on September 25, 2006, 10:15:47 AM
Post by: Khushrenada on September 25, 2006, 10:25:06 AM
Getting back to GT though, I know a couple people and they were talking about this news yesterday. One is really pro-Sony. I don't know much about the other person but I knowhe seems to favor the Xbox/Sony content. Anyways, they seemed rather positive about the nes. The pro-Sony person was saying that he likes the idea because he doesn't play with every vehicle anyways. This way you only pay for what you want. The other person agreed with him on that idea and seemed to think it was a really neat concept.
I don't know. You hear news like this and you'd think that it should really kill momentum of the PS3 and yet, people still seemed excited about it. The truth is, it might actually do ok. I could see this being a real status symbol. That's why I hope this news about expensive game sis true. Maybe then, with an expensive console and expensive games will people finally stop and think that maybe it isn't worth it after all.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 25, 2006, 10:40:45 AM
Not good news, but Sony's had worse lately.
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 25, 2006, 10:51:55 AM
Sony SUCKS
seriously, two versions of GT one more expensive than the other?
the 2 jobs thing to afford a PS3 was a complete lie....you need like 5 :S
Post by: IceCold on September 25, 2006, 08:39:22 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on September 25, 2006, 09:09:24 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 25, 2006, 09:22:24 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 26, 2006, 01:19:38 PM
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Now, however, on the eve of what may be the most hotly contested console war in video gaming's brief history, Square might be changing its tune. Michihiro Sasaki, the Senior Vice President of Square Enix, offered some vague yet significant statements to the Wall Street Journal. Said Sasaki, "We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them. But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much."
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 26, 2006, 03:26:58 PM
Post by: wandering on September 26, 2006, 03:31:34 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 26, 2006, 03:44:40 PM
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Earlier in the story, however, the journalists make mention of where various Square Enix franchises are landing, specifically noting the high-end Final Fantasy sequels will find themselves on PlayStation 3, but more importantly, they have yet to decide who will receive the next Kingdom Hearts.
So FF13 is already locked onto the PS3... but Kingdom hearts could be a HUGE coup if it jumps ship to the X360 or... *gasp* Wii! ... Or Square could just go fiddly-doo multiplatform...
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: jasonditz on September 26, 2006, 03:44:43 PM
Post by: Svevan on September 26, 2006, 03:56:19 PM
Post by: EasyCure on September 26, 2006, 04:06:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
No one would watch a 45 hour DVD about nothing.
people bought those seinfeld dvds, that show as about nothing. im sure there more than 45 hours worth of a show bout nothing on thos dvd's.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 26, 2006, 04:36:02 PM
So basically you are saying you are the ONLY reason Sony did well the last two generations...and you only have the power to make other companies thrive and become bigger?
SquareEnix you are an arrogant prick of a company...and I can't wait for you to fall just like Sony is falling because they became too arrogant.
I hope any company besides Sony wins next generation because of the arrogance of Sony...and now I hope some new RPG developer rises in popularity and dethrones the great SquareEnix, because they deserve it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 26, 2006, 04:43:25 PM
Post by: UniversalJuan on September 26, 2006, 04:49:18 PM
Post by: Arbok on September 26, 2006, 05:30:43 PM
Other than the Ogre series, that's pretty much my favorite franchise from Square Enix now.
Post by: capamerica on September 26, 2006, 06:37:49 PM
If Square is on your side, you will win the Console War.
Post by: Ceric on September 26, 2006, 07:13:41 PM
Another note Square tends to like to tweak a lot. I don't see them going generally multiplatform.
I had something else but I forgot.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 26, 2006, 10:09:52 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 27, 2006, 12:01:04 AM
I think a lot of publishers are taking note that their production costs probably won't lead to easy profits and are waiting for the system to sell first, as seen in the many many cancelled games and no new announced titles.
Post by: Hocotate on September 27, 2006, 01:49:21 AM
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But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much.
I like this part
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2006, 06:00:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: capamerica
Spak-Spang, The only reason the Playstation and the Playstation 2 did so well was because of Square. They aren't full of themselves the numbers prove that every time a Square game is released the sale numbers shoot up. No other company does that. Hell DragonQuest alone got a law passed that made it so the game could only be released on weekends. Sony owes everything to Square for its success, If it wasn't for Square the Playstation would have never taken off. Thats why to this day it was the STUPIDEST move ever for Nintendo and Square to part ways during the N64 era.
If Square is on your side, you will win the Console War.
That is true. And really, looking back I understand that Square's involvement with Playstation helped make it huge in Japan. However, you must have tact and be somewhat humble about this kinda stuff.
Sony was able to do several things right with the Playstation console.
1)Cheaper Medium
2)Cheaper Royality Costs
3)Worked to create good relations with 3rd parties. ect, ect
Sony worked hard in the beginning to become the giant they were. It wasn't JUST Square, even though that helped them more than anything else.
Now Sony is arrogant, and for 10 years they have dominated the home console market, and they believe they can do no wrong. It is time for them to fall.
And SquareEnix has become arrogant. They keep on throwing out RPGs that are more movies than games, and continue to recycle the same Final Fantasy (VII) in different packages and games, that mostly just hurt the original game.
Does SquareEnix still make good games YES. But Should they be acting like God's gift to gaming. NO. Humility is a good quality to have.
Personally, the only Wii SquareEnix games I would like would be: Mario RPG 2, A ChronoTrigger Sequel, Kingdom Hearts (with Nintendo worlds and not Disney), and perhaps a Dragon Quest game because I haven't played that series yet.
Finally, it is said that company can not survive in the US without EA Games support...yet you don't hear them making those bold claims to everyone do you?
Post by: couchmonkey on September 27, 2006, 06:14:27 AM
Square Enix didn't impress me with it's lack of humility in this statement, but if it means I get a real Dragon Quest on Wii, or even a real Final Fantasy, I'm all for it.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2006, 07:25:48 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
EA speaks in actions, not words. It's actions say, "No football for you!" and, "All your developer are belong to us!"
Ok, that is quite funny.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 27, 2006, 08:48:59 AM
Post by: capamerica on September 27, 2006, 08:55:46 AM
What games do you people keep using for that example?
Final Fantasy X and X-2 had about 30/45min worth of cut scenes. FFX took me near 40 hours to finish while X-2 took me about 32 hours.
Radiata Stories had 2min cutscenes every 2hours + of gameplay.
Kingdom Hearts I do admit had alot more cut scenes, but it was like a 10min cutscene every few hours of game play. But it wasn't anything that I would call a movie.
Now Xenosaga on the other hand is more of a Movie then a game, But Xenosaga is created by Namco not Square.
Post by: Kairon on September 27, 2006, 09:02:00 AM
What IS bad is that this narrative isn't being told through the gameplay, the gameplay is merely being used as a tool to fill in space between major events.
Although I will say that Suqare isn't the biggest offender in this regard. Lost Odyssey for the X360 will definitely take that title soon for most cinematic, most turn-based gameplay ever.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Svevan on September 27, 2006, 11:14:53 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 27, 2006, 10:30:34 PM
Final Fantasy 12 aka "The game plays itself!".
Final Fantasy X and X-2 had about 30/45min worth of cut scenes.
That's interesting because the cutscene before the boss battle I'm stuck at in FFX is 15 minutes if you skip all the dialogue and yes I have timed that.
Post by: capamerica on September 28, 2006, 02:22:55 AM
I still don't see the big deal you all seem to be making about Square's games. Your all blowing it waaaaaaaay out of proportion.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 28, 2006, 02:38:25 AM
Post by: capamerica on September 28, 2006, 03:25:28 AM
I've played so many RPGs that have had far worst issues with random monster attacks that the Final Fantasy series doesn't bother me. Also FFX and X-2 seemed to have toned it down compaired to FFVIII and FFIX. FFXII actually got rid of the RMA all together, which I'm still up in the air about since I never really had a problem with RMA like alot of people I know.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 28, 2006, 03:27:24 AM
Post by: capamerica on September 28, 2006, 04:02:58 AM
Followed by Final Fantasy X in my book.
Final Fantasy VII is way over rated.
Post by: Ceric on September 28, 2006, 05:39:31 AM
I do think that the newer FF use cutscenes in places that I think just normal character interaction would have been better suited. That's just me. I'll have to play FFVI and FFIV one day.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 28, 2006, 05:54:50 AM
Post by: Ceric on September 28, 2006, 06:04:45 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 28, 2006, 07:07:07 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 28, 2006, 07:20:33 AM
Quotelol, SoAL didn't have nearly the same amount of random battles as the original DC game had, and for that I liked the DC one better (as the battles were needed, otherwise the following boss would wipe you out...)
Originally posted by: capamerica
I thought the battles were repetitive once, then I played 'Skies of Arcadia Legends' and after that I didn't think Final Fantasy was all that bad anymore.
I've played so many RPGs that have had far worst issues with random monster attacks that the Final Fantasy series doesn't bother me. Also FFX and X-2 seemed to have toned it down compaired to FFVIII and FFIX. FFXII actually got rid of the RMA all together, which I'm still up in the air about since I never really had a problem with RMA like alot of people I know.
and the only time battles were repetitive in SoA was near the end, where you had to use Delta Shield every turn (as the enemies had instant death spells)
oh, and the best battle systems in rpgs are the ones in the Tales of.. series (then BK and Mario RPG series ^^)
Post by: Ceric on September 28, 2006, 08:16:35 AM
It's a well done article. Reads much like a forum post.
Post by: JonLeung on September 29, 2006, 05:02:22 AM
Since they lose so much on the PS3, the only way they can be saved is to expect that everyone who does buy a PS3 has to buy a HDMI cable and lots of games and Blu-Ray movies. But not many games are compelling and the Blu-Ray could potentially lose against the HD-DVD.
Doesn't look good for Sony.
Not that they didn't already seem doomed before this article came out.
I wonder what Sony is thinking. I wonder if they're even really thinking sometimes.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 29, 2006, 07:43:31 AM
Now I think I've figured it out: Square Enix isn't that afraid of Sony, it's afraid of Nintendo. I think it's clear that Square Enix doesn't see Sony as the sure bet anymore, but why is Square "we support the most popular console" Enix saying that it doesn't want anyone to be too popular, after supporting runaway victor Sony for ten years? Because Square Enix is scared of Nintendo once again becoming the tyrranical overlord of all video games.
Okay, so I do have an alternative theory: Square Enix sees Nintendo as the greener pasture, but after burning bridges with Nintendo over the N64, it doesn't want to do the same thing with Sony.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 29, 2006, 07:57:38 AM
Post by: Arbok on September 29, 2006, 08:00:02 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
...and the Blu-Ray could potentially lose against the HD-DVD.
I'd be surprised if either of them ever achieved more popularity than Laserdiscs did in the United States, which I'm sure neither of them is going for.
Neither of them is really taking note either the history of Laser Discs, and how the only market those ever succeeded in was Japan. Why? Because they were actually cheaper than VHS, something that neither format has over DVD. To that point, if consumers weren't willing to pay more for Laserdiscs versus VHS, why would either of these high definition DVDs take higher priority over regular DVDs?
Post by: couchmonkey on September 29, 2006, 09:32:15 AM
Square Enix could have made tons of dollars on N64 or GameCube sympathy games too, but for whatever reason, it didn't. Still, interesting theory, I guess the proff would be if they start downgrading the budgets on the PS3 games.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 29, 2006, 09:38:45 AM
NES: No choice.
SNES: Sega or Nintendo? Same difference
N64/PS1: Freedom! Let's go to Sony!
GC/PS2: Wait, our freedom is shrinking... Sony is becoming a tyrant!
Wii/PS3: We don't want any more monopolies, we want to be free!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 29, 2006, 10:36:18 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I see it this way:
NES: No choice.
SNES: Sega or Nintendo? Same difference
N64/PS1: Freedom! Let's go to Sony!
GC/PS2: Wait, our freedom is shrinking... Sony is becoming a tyrant!
Wii/PS3: We don't want any more monopolies, we want to be free!
I agree with this so much...though I think I would add.
NES: Nintendo's evil Monopoly
SNES: Sega or Nintendo? What is the Difference Nintendo still has the reigns
N64/PS1: Freedom from NINTENDO!!! (developers and gamers) Let's go Sony!
GC/PS2/Xbox: Wait consoles can be geared towards Americans? The rise of the Sony Tyrant, and Nintendo finally learns its lesson.
Wii/PS3/360: Sony has become the new Evil Monopoly run to 360 or Wii for your life!!!!
Post by: Ceric on September 29, 2006, 12:20:47 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2006, 02:12:09 PM
Spoken like a true assh0le.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 29, 2006, 02:16:56 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 29, 2006, 02:21:15 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on September 29, 2006, 03:35:46 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 29, 2006, 11:27:30 PM
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/jack-tretton-on-the-psp-well-own-the-earth-like-we-own-the-ds-202889.php
Apparently Sony's Jack Tretton tries to use some marketing spin and stating "the adoption rate of the DS over the first 17 months, not only does it trail the PSP but it also trails their other platforms"
dude, seriously you've had your @ss handed to you, accept it. At this point in time there is nothing the PSP can do....
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 29, 2006, 11:48:49 PM
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Originally posted by: MJRx9000
If Ken's an ahole for saying we don't care, then so's Iwata.. May Reggie PEACE BE UPON HIM forgive me
The difference between Ken and Iwata, is that Ken is doing it out of arrogance while Iwata was doing as to say that they are trying something new and thus were in a whole new world from PS3/Xbox 360 (even though that is turning out to not be the case). While Iwata was trying to distinguish the Wii's uniqueness, Sony is doing it out of pure arrogance.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 30, 2006, 02:24:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I can almost guarantee you that there will be a really pretty exclusive PS3 FF even if they had not history. Why? Uber amounts of space compared to everyone else. In the Lair interview that was posted they talked about how the level they were playing on took 4 gigs of space like it was nothing. I don't know what layering they are using but Blu-ray has tons more space then DVD in all configurations.
That may be true...but I will laugh if that game only has like 5-8 levels because it is too graphically intense...or if the game goes to 2 Blu-ray disks.
Seriously, I would be afraid to use too many layers, because I don't want small scratches completely ruining games for people.
Post by: capamerica on September 30, 2006, 03:58:52 PM
I'm more then willing to bet they could fit Lair with no quility losse on a normal dual layer DVD if they wanted to.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 30, 2006, 06:02:08 PM
Post by: capamerica on September 30, 2006, 07:55:47 PM
And its not just Xbox, Resident Evil 4 on the PS2 was over 4GB while the GameCube version was just a little bit over 2GB and to make matters worst for the PS2 the GameCube version was far better looking.
From what I've been hearding come out of developers who are working with the PS3, Sony is having them work with uncompressed files so it looks like they are taking advantage of the storage space on the Blu-Ray disc.
IF Factor5 wanted Lair on the Xbox360 all they would have to do is compress the sound, movie and image files and they should be able to fit it on a normal Dual Layer DVD if not a normal singel Layer DVD.
We'll get a better idea on how much PS3 games could be compressed down once the first batch of Multiconsole games hit the 360 and PS3 and we get rips showing up on the web.
Post by: SixthAngel on September 30, 2006, 08:05:17 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 30, 2006, 08:06:06 PM
I thought that the Xbox 360 had long and annoying load times because of its high defination visuals, sound, and obviously more to load into memory. Is the PS3 going to be even worse? Nobody knows exactly how fast this blu-ray technology is, specially compared to the amounts of data it is going to be pulling off the disc.
If load times are really bad, it could be another small problem for Sony.
Post by: capamerica on September 30, 2006, 09:22:01 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 30, 2006, 09:27:31 PM
Also, it makes it harder to port the same media to other systems.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 30, 2006, 10:32:30 PM
IF Factor5 wanted Lair on the Xbox360 all they would have to do is compress the sound, movie and image files and they should be able to fit it on a normal Dual Layer DVD if not a normal singel Layer DVD.
That's of course assuming they aren't depending on any specific abilities of the PS3 hardware. Knowing Factor 5 a lot of their code is assembly and it's using the SPEs to their very limit so the code would need to be rewritten in large parts to play on the 360.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 01, 2006, 03:51:03 AM
If i recall correctly the original Xbox was capable of streaming and even used it as a selling point for expansive Adventure and RPG games, but how many freaking loading screens have we seen in xbox games (Fable im looking at you, you B@stard!)
Another thing leaving textures uncompressed will kill frame rates. Unless of course you like your games using only 2 Textures for everything, look how eye bleeding detailed that tea pot is, AMAZING!
Being serious again....I guess they could really pull off a lot of things if they did some real good zoning which would lessen the stress on the processor. For those who don't know what zoning is, its basically telling the system to not process anything in one zone when you are in another zone, for example it would be pointless for a game to process a room that you can't immediatly get into.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2006, 04:49:30 AM
Electronic Arts, for example?
Another thing leaving textures uncompressed will kill frame rates. Unless of course you like your games using only 2 Textures for everything, look how eye bleeding detailed that tea pot is, AMAZING!
Only if you exceed the available texture memory. Since a console is a controlled environment you can know much better how full the texture memory is. And noone says you can't combine compressed and uncompressed textures, either. After all you'll want to keep the normalmap uncompressed at all times.
Post by: Athrun Zala on October 01, 2006, 07:15:13 AM
Post by: Zach on October 01, 2006, 09:03:17 AM
Post by: ThePerm on October 01, 2006, 10:25:29 AM
if it were Sony's real website...than it would be funny.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 01, 2006, 10:43:51 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 01, 2006, 11:02:09 AM
Ok. Now I don't think anybody here thinks that decompression is free. It can be quiet costly. There are some amazing compression algorithms out there that can take humongous amounts of data and make them itty bitty with no noticeable loss. Why don't we use them? It takes to long for compression and decompression. In a game it does me no good if I can store a world of billions of unique people onto a DVD if it takes a day to get them into a useable form.
This is one of the reasons I was hoping that Nintendo found a really good set of compression schemes that were generally used that could be dedicated to a piece of hardware. That way you could compress things and then not waste your precious CPU cycles in getting them back. That be done with a specialized chip. This is of limited use to a regular computer but in a console it could be very handy. Back to the topic at hand.
If they had truly used the full power of the PS3, which is at the least equivalent to the 360, the decompression would take up enough processor on the system getting the port that I doubt it be able to have the game running smoothly. So sacrifices would need to be made. Hence not as good of a game.
Just my thought.
Post by: capamerica on October 01, 2006, 11:23:09 AM
Just look at any multiconsole game that comes out on the PS2, Xbox and GameCube. The Xbox and GameCube versions are almost always smaller cause they can get away with using compression on files, since they both have the power to uses compression. The systems are more then powerful enought today that compression will not effect them in the least.
Compression isn't some new thing that no one has never used before.. well except for Sony. MS and Nintendo have been using compression for awhile. The Xbox used it and the N64 and GameCube used.
If you look at any of the GTA games on the PS2 and compair them to the Xbox versions not only do they look better on the Xbox, but the load times are faster. This doesn't back your claim that they games would run slower.
If anything the only reason why Lair would not be ported would be what KDR said and that if Factor5 used "specific abilities of the PS3 hardware" that could not be duplicated on the Xbox360 hardware.
Post by: Athrun Zala on October 01, 2006, 12:10:03 PM
cap, the thing isn't if it can or can't be used, it's that if the data can be uncompressed, then the CPU doesn't have to decompress the data and can be doing something else, whcih in the end would be more efficient
Post by: capamerica on October 01, 2006, 01:30:36 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on October 01, 2006, 01:36:56 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on October 01, 2006, 02:19:25 PM
Quoteas somke said, they have to be decompressed to be used, so you'd use the same amount of RAM anyways..... uncompressed have the advantage of using less CPU resources, so if the space is there, uncompressed is the way to go
Originally posted by: capamerica
but uncompressed files do use more Video & System RAM and more disc space then a compressed files. So even if you are saving the CPU from making a couple extra calculations your losing that by making the Graphics card and RAM work harder to support it.
Post by: Ceric on October 01, 2006, 05:06:11 PM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
but uncompressed files do use more Video & System RAM and more disc space, (this part is fact by definition) then a compressed files. So even if you are saving the CPU from making a couple extra calculations your losing that by making the Graphics card and RAM work harder to support it.
Very wrong and did you not read what I said. Of course a games for the PS2 can be compressed and not have hiccup on the Cube and XBox. Maybe even be better. Why? Because they were both more powerful and, in the case of the Gamecube, more efficient machines then the PS2.
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...and be uncompressed to the same resolution
Since I have lossless compression going on and that they are being uncompressed to the same size as the PS3 assets then they'll use the same amount of Video and System RAM. <rambling> Now lets say I took Lair and moved it to the Wii. Well all the Assets would have to go down from what is it 1920x1080 to 640x480 a drastic change by anyones standard. Of course this would at least half the size of it. You would lose detail. Actually it wouldn't be compressed. I wonder how small it would actually become.</rambling>
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If they had truly used the full power of the PS3, which is at the least equivalent to the 360, the decompression would take up enough processor on the system getting the port that I doubt it be able to have the game running smoothly. So sacrifices would need to be made. Hence not as good of a game.
If they fully used the power of the PS3 those extra calculations really add up. Sorting Algorithms are good examples how a little extra extra calculation's can really add up, (So you know, Big O is the number of comparisons made per item in looses terms.) There is in fact an algorithm for manipulating matrices that adds 3 or so additions to get rid of one of the multiplications signs and the matrices has to be of a certain size. You gain a significant speed boost from doing this. Addition takes only 1 cycle and multiplication takes a couple.
Now, as I mentioned before, if there was a dedicated piece of hardware that did the encoding/decoding of the data then it be a moot point. At that point it be relatively trivial if it was used, like with sound.
Oh and yes I totally agree that Uncompressed data uses more disc space.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2006, 11:43:43 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 02, 2006, 10:39:24 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 02, 2006, 12:28:28 PM
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...shares in Sony Corp. fell to a 2-1/2-month low today (Monday) over news of continued problems with batteries made by Sony for laptop computers. Analysts estimated that the recall of Sony batteries could wind up costing the company some $420 million. In a note to clients, Koichi Ogaawa of Daiwa SB Investments, commented, “Without a doubt this is damaging for Sony. However, we've been hearing about this recall for some time, so there is also no need for panic.” Most analysts said that the real damage was a public relations one -- tarnishing Sony’s reputation as an elite maker of trouble-free products.
Source
Clearly these analysts have never purchased a PS2...
Post by: Ceric on October 02, 2006, 08:05:12 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 02, 2006, 11:28:38 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122231
5000 yen including tax for the Sixaxis!
that's just 1200 more yen than the Wiimote, and 600 yen cheaper than a Wiimote+Nunchuck combo!
Good news at last! Hallelujah!
~Carmine M. Red
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Edit: Yeah, you're right, Wiimote is 3800 yen, not 4800.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 02, 2006, 11:49:20 PM
Post by: Blue Plant on October 02, 2006, 11:57:49 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 03, 2006, 12:21:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Blue Plant
Minus rumble.
That too! Can't believe I forgot that. There is probaly more advanced and pricier technology in the Wiimote alone than the whole PS3 controller (which is why I think the price of the wiimote/nunchuck is somewhat justified).
Post by: KDR_11k on October 03, 2006, 01:13:08 AM
Post by: Kairon on October 03, 2006, 07:33:25 AM
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Post by: Ceric on October 03, 2006, 08:00:14 AM
Post by: wandering on October 03, 2006, 08:00:30 PM
...that's right. The controller's new name is SIXAXIS. Ahahaha.
Post by: TrueNerd on October 03, 2006, 08:48:17 PM
Post by: Adrock on October 03, 2006, 09:01:08 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 03, 2006, 10:12:19 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 04, 2006, 08:45:52 AM
Of course, this is all lying propoganda, and PSM had a PS3 for hours and had no problems. And the machine was under hot lights in glass cases for 72 hours, so it's not fair. Sony says so.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 04, 2006, 09:05:42 AM
That being said. Was the room temperature unpleasantly hot? Or did Sony just incase their machines in boxes that didn't let air out...it just got hotter and hotter in there.
Probably the latter and Sony was just stupid in their planning.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 04, 2006, 10:07:46 AM
It's absolutely true that the tradeshow floor is a tough place. I read some Wii impressions from the Fusion tour, and apparently someone screwed up one of the two-player games just by powering off his controller. It was a one-player game for the rest of the night. (Probably the reps couldn't reset the console without opening a case or something).
Post by: JonLeung on October 04, 2006, 11:35:10 AM
But not until a year later, when they'll really aggravate all of the people that bought a PS3.
And then what's left of Sony will put the blame on the consumers who bought their loss-incurring hardware.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 04, 2006, 01:22:12 PM
HA!!!
Post by: IceCold on October 04, 2006, 02:00:32 PM
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In a recent interview, Sony Computer Entertainment America president Kaz Hirai said that the “strategic” move to drop rumble from the PlayStation 3 controller was for the consumer’s benefit. Hirai told games website Kikizo in a recently posted Tokyo Game Show video interview, “The issue when we're talking about trying to have motion sensing as well as a vibration feature, is trying to isolate the vibration feature from the motion sensors. Is it technically feasible? Absolutely.”*
However, Hirai said that a tilt-control-enabled controller coupled with rumble technology would be too pricey for many customers.
He continued, “But the other problem, or the balancing act that you need to do, is to be able to present the controller to the consumer at an affordable price. We have one controller in the box, but many consumers will want to go out and get an extra controller. And if we have to come up with technology - which you can technically do - to isolate the vibration from the sensing, if that means that the controllers are going to be so expensive **, then we're doing the consumer a huge disservice by coming up with a controller that is not very affordable.
(...)
Skeptics have insisted that the lack of force feedback has more to do with the legal struggles between force feedback tech licensor Immersion and Sony than any technical or cost issues. Immersion told Next-Gen earlier this year that rumble could be implemented in Sony’s controller rather cheaply and easily.
Post by: Smoke39 on October 04, 2006, 02:28:08 PM
Post by: BigJim on October 04, 2006, 02:59:16 PM
Post by: JonLeung on October 04, 2006, 03:37:37 PM
If he thinks it's a disservice to charge so much for pricey controllers, they should make controller ports for PSX/PS2 controllers and forget about the crappy motion sensing. That'll save previous PlayStation owners money. :P
Post by: KDR_11k on October 04, 2006, 09:38:06 PM
Ever since beating Sony in the rumble lawsuit and removing the tech from the controller, Immersion has been trolling the internet and anybody that'd listen to try to get Sony to now license their tech. They shoulda just settled their lawsuit.
Sony was the one who refused to settle because they knew that whatever damages they'd be forced to pay for infringement would be a lot lower than what licensing would have cost them. I don't know why the judge allowed a situation where criminal conduct is cheaper than legal conduct but I think he should be impaled upon an iron stake for undermining the foundation of the law system.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 05, 2006, 07:43:50 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Isolated? I'd expect game devs to take the shaking into account for their control schemes and possibly use it to introduce inaccuracy into the player's movement.
That was my reaction too. And of course Sony conveniently ignores the fact that devs could just shut rumble off in the few games that use motion control. My PS3 is crippled because of you, Sony!
Post by: Ian Sane on October 05, 2006, 08:00:13 AM
Post by: Kairon on October 05, 2006, 10:27:06 AM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 05, 2006, 11:37:55 AM
"We don't want to make the mistake Nintendo made and include everything you would want in a controller, at an expensive price that many will complain about. Our controllers are priced to allow gamers to get extra controllers cheaply to cheap our customers enjoy multiplayer games."
Nintendo's Response:
"And for the price of a low end PS3 ($480.00) you can buy one game and four extra Wii controllers, so you can begin playing four player party games with everyone in the family. We want you to enjoy WiiSports with your entire family, and are pleased that our third party partners are also introducing multiplayer games the entire family can enjoy."
Sony I hate to tell you this, but the public is smarter than this. They can create budgets and add costs together. They know how much it will cost to play multiplayer Wii, and multiplayer PS3...and Wii is still the cheapest multiplayer next generation console on the market.
Post by: Ceric on October 05, 2006, 12:14:02 PM
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Post by: Kairon on October 05, 2006, 08:01:12 PM
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Post by: JonLeung on October 06, 2006, 05:27:36 AM
"RepackagedPlayStationControllerNowWirelessWith(ImplementedAtTheLastMinute)MotionControlAndNoForceFeedback" isn't a cool name for the controller, even if that makes sense. I'd figured they would've gone the plain route and called it the "Triple Shock", and have that increase each generation (even if the PSX controller wasn't called the "Single Shock").
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 06, 2006, 06:04:28 AM
Post by: capamerica on October 06, 2006, 07:01:49 AM
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Some one needs to get Sony a PR firm. Not that their statements are always wrong (though some are), but just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should. Case in point: Sony executive VP Jamie MacDonald had this to say when asked by GamesIndustry.biz regarding later releases (or delays) in Europe:
"European consumers have shown that historically they don't mind [the delays], because they end up buying as many PlayStations, if not more, than the US and Japan. In Europe, it doesn't seem that the release of our platforms after the US and Japan-in the long run-affects how consumers feel ... If we were sitting here in five years' time, I don't think we'd really think about or notice that PlayStation 3 was four or five months later in Europe."
you've got to be kidding me...
Sometimes is amusing how Sony lives in their own little fantasy world.
Someone should remind Sony that even thou the PS2 did come out later, they didn't have any competition for a year. This time they have to deal with Nintendo and MS who will have a head start over there.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 06, 2006, 07:32:42 AM
Sony is about to fall, because of this. I am not saying Sony won't be successful this generation but they will not dominate...and there is a huge chance that they could become second or third place this generation. And if that happens, then Sony will recorrect itself for their fourth generation, but they will lose some of their power over third party developers, just like Nintendo did.
Post by: JonLeung on October 06, 2006, 08:32:19 AM
When Sony became market leader I seemed to get the vibe that everyone thought Nintendo wasn't growing up and the future belonged to Sony forever and ever. I want Nintendo to "win" so that people will learn that the tables could always turn.
As a Nintendo fan, I wouldn't mind if Nintendo comes out on top and stays there for the rest of my life, so long as they don't make the mistake of being arrogant. I hope to have another dozen or so Nintendo consoles to play in my life if they can keep the five-year cycle going.
Post by: Kairon on October 06, 2006, 11:07:09 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung"RepackagedPlayStationControllerNowWirelessWith(ImplementedAtTheLastMinute)MotionControlAndNoForceFeedback" isn't a cool name for the controller, even if that makes sense. I'd figured they would've gone the plain route and called it the "Triple Shock", and have that increase each generation (even if the PSX controller wasn't called the "Single Shock").
I think Joystiq wanted to call it the "Dual Shake."
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 06, 2006, 11:09:04 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 06, 2006, 05:14:05 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
But like others mentions the big difference is that Nintendo lost no money (there seemed to be hints they in fact made money) on the N64...
I believe the N64 was actually much more profitable than the GCN was for Nintendo, the reason not only being units sold but that a great deal of those "Player's Choice - Million Sellers" were Nintendo first party titles. So they were definitely pushing software during that generation, even if it was primarly their own.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 06, 2006, 05:59:34 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 08, 2006, 12:31:39 AM
Post by: Kairon on October 08, 2006, 08:17:34 AM
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Post by: JonLeung on October 08, 2006, 09:19:08 AM
I suppose we'll see how well it does this holiday season at that price (or rather, those prices) and see how soon the price drops come, if any. I'm sure Sony will be reluctant to drop the price if they're already losing lots of money on them as it is. Once again, it'll probably come down to the games ($650 Canadian might be worth it if there was a guarantee of a lot of good games), which is where the Wii comes in to show the world alternatives that are more fun. Though we keep saying Sony's screwing up, and they really are, the biggest problems for them are really the successes of the competition.
Post by: jasonditz on October 08, 2006, 04:07:54 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I wouldn't mind Sony dropping out of the next gen early, they'd be a warning to future generations but I don't think it's going to happen that easily. They're certainly not hitting bankrupcy and I don't think the corporate leaders will decide to drop SCEI because of one failed gen. They might drop out if the PS4 fails but no matter how badly the PS3 does I expect them to cling on.
Sony as a whole isn't at risk of bankrupcy right now, but that doesn't mean the game division might not be on a short leash. They almost pulled the plug early in the PS2 generation, as I understand it. They're in worse financial shape now, and I don't think their upper management is going to sit by and allow the gaming division to drag them down, especially if it looks like they have an actual viable competitor that's going to keep them out of profitability. The market isn't growing, the margins on the hardware business stink... it's probably not worth gambling the company's future financial security on.
Post by: Ceric on October 08, 2006, 06:37:44 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on October 08, 2006, 11:12:28 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 09, 2006, 12:11:10 AM
Which makes me think it's even less likely that it'll get pulled this time. Sony has seen how much the PS2 sold so they're expecting the PS3 to behave the same way. I don't think they'll pull until the PS3 turns out to be a complete failure and the PS4 is off to a bad start as well.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 09, 2006, 01:20:26 PM
However in strange cases there are xbox games that are better than their 360 counterparts, and in Nintendo's case it would be moronic to release anything at this point as it is likely to be passed on even though it may be played on a Wii.
Post by: SixthAngel on October 10, 2006, 05:46:50 PM
Sony always intended for the playstation brand to be a trojan horse for living room domination and we see them trying to put it into practice with the addition of bluray.
Post by: Mikintosh on October 10, 2006, 11:05:42 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 10, 2006, 11:37:21 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on October 11, 2006, 03:56:59 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 11, 2006, 04:35:44 AM
The only other answer is that Sony is majorly over charging for Blu-ray players and making like $100-$400 profit on each player...and I have no doubt some of that is happening, but those numbers are crazy.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 11, 2006, 07:02:55 AM
Post by: Galford on October 11, 2006, 07:09:58 AM
The PS3 is going to be the first exposure most people have to Blu Ray.
Even if it sucks along as it's better then DVD the sheeple of the world will like it.
This is what matters to Sony.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 11, 2006, 08:56:56 AM
It basically looks like HDTV, which is nice and all, but I really don't see huge differences between HDTV and standard defination. Yeah, colors are usually crispier, but it isn't enough to make me fork over the money to buy one.
Post by: capamerica on October 11, 2006, 09:40:26 AM
After a certin point you don't even care about how the movie looks and I really do wonder if once your really into a movie if you can even tell the differnece between the formats.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 11, 2006, 10:09:16 AM
Simple to pull off as well...you can do it with a regular DVD Player.
Take an hour long show. Run the first segment in High Defination. have a single commerical or something...and during that commercial change the resolution to normal DVD standards, and continue the show. You can rotate between these formats, and potentially add better resolution sound as well...and see if anyone notices. I wouldn't even tell them they were being tested. If they comment on the quality at all then they noticed. If they do not then they probably didn't notice or didn't care.
Post by: BigJim on October 11, 2006, 02:09:34 PM
Wii and 360 are "too expensive" says Sony's Australia guy.
Gamesindustry.biz
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 11, 2006, 02:26:41 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 11, 2006, 02:58:54 PM
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Galford on October 11, 2006, 03:14:26 PM
I've seen the Toshiba HD DVD player, it looks nice.
However, unless you own a 50"+ Tv, many of the features of Blu Ray/HD DVD are useless.
I do like the concept of iHD and BDJ.
I need to proof read my posts better.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 12, 2006, 07:13:27 AM
Usually that's because the displays are miscalibrated to oversaturate all colors since way too many people think that more saturation = better.
Post by: Arbok on October 12, 2006, 07:22:16 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Usually that's because the displays are miscalibrated to oversaturate all colors since way too many people think that more saturation = better.
Worked on the PSP with UMDs for a little while...
Post by: jasonditz on October 12, 2006, 08:21:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Bad thing is for Sony thats currently there best division. If the other divisions where doing well they could cut it off if it was doing bad. There not though.
All the more reason... Microsoft can afford to subsidize a loser division forever, and will do so so long as they envision some big payoff down the road. Sony's not in a position to do that anymore, and that means every division will be kept on a short leash.
Post by: wandering on October 12, 2006, 09:13:37 AM
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I think I saw a Blu-Ray movie playing in Best Buy, but I didn't want to go over there, and then be approached by a sales person.
Next time you're planning on going, dress up like a hobo.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 12, 2006, 09:33:41 AM
Wii and 360 overpriced, lol lol!
Post by: Galford on October 12, 2006, 04:02:17 PM
A lot of interesting cross media ideas could have been implemented on the PSP but Sony blew it.
The fact on average they costed more then DVDs but had less features didn't help.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 12, 2006, 05:10:18 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 12, 2006, 05:36:49 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 12, 2006, 06:23:01 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 12, 2006, 07:40:25 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 12, 2006, 11:32:04 PM
Post by: Galford on October 13, 2006, 06:01:05 AM
Say you had an anime series, put 3 episodes on the disk and add an
episodic game that lasts an hour or two on each disk.
As a person collects the entire series he gets the entire game.
Saves could easily be handled via memory sticks.
Apparently no one thought of that idea, oh well.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 13, 2006, 06:02:01 AM
Post by: JonLeung on October 13, 2006, 06:19:23 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I wonder if UMD made Sony any cash?
I guess that would depend on the licensing, like how many movies other than Sony Pictures' own were released on that media, if any.
But I would think that any money they made wouldn't cover the losses on PSP hardware (I assume there are some like the other PlayStation products) and the lack of sales certainly don't help. All in all it's pretty much a failure, and I almost wonder how they didn't see it coming and people are going to look at the Blu-Ray with similar hesitation. After Betamax and Minidisc and apparently many other failed Sony formats, why shouldn't people be hesitant?
In the UMD case it was pretty obvious to me. ("Universal" Media Disc? Pff!) Pay more for less than a DVD? Why? If I really wanted to watch movies on the go, there are portable DVD players that won't require a rebuying of what I already have. I'm sure we've covered that before. Many times. Sony just isn't thinking.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 13, 2006, 06:54:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Galford
UMD could have done some interesing things.
Say you had an anime series, put 3 episodes on the disk and add an
episodic game that lasts an hour or two on each disk.
As a person collects the entire series he gets the entire game.
Saves could easily be handled via memory sticks.
Apparently no one thought of that idea, oh well.
Sounds nice in theory but in practice the game will just end up crappy like most licensed games. Especially since they have little incentive to make it good as people will buy it for the series anyway.
Though maybe they'll consider that with the PS3 and bluray, if it's possible.
Post by: Mikintosh on October 13, 2006, 06:59:10 AM
Yeah, this reasoning kinda looks like crap, but I'm just a lowly civilian.
Post by: jasonditz on October 13, 2006, 07:48:57 AM
1. How fast will Sony be able to get prices down to a reasonable level?
2. How long will it take for a game to get released that anyone actually wants
3. How many catastrophic hardware problems will they have?
It seems silly to assume MGS4 will be a console seller at this point.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 13, 2006, 11:24:03 AM
Post by: Galford on October 13, 2006, 12:30:11 PM
Both Blu Ray and HD DVD have there own interactive standard for extras. We could see some of what I talked about sooner or later.
Post by: Ceric on October 13, 2006, 12:31:09 PM
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"But its overwhelmingly realistic graphics will give it a long life span. It will stay competitive even when a game console battle breaks out among a newer generation of machines in 2010. Sales should grow every time Sony cuts prices," he said.
So your saying that the PS3 will age well graphically, thats great. Of course sales will grow when you cut the price but, as mentioned above how many times will the price be cut for that to be a factor? The PS2 took a while to drop and rarely did.
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Enterbrain expects Sony to sell 4.13 million units of the PS3 worldwide in the current business year ending March 2007. Sony itself aims to ship 6 million units over the same period.
The publisher also expects Nintendo to sell 5.47 million units of the Wii by March, compared with Nintendo's own target to sell 6 million units.
Ok...
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But in the longer term, Enterbrain expects the PS3 to outsell both the Wii and Xbox 360, helped by its lifelike graphics and a rich pool of potentially popular game software that will be released in 2007 or later.
Just because I have the potential to win a million dollars doesn't mean I'm going to buy a 747.
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Those software titles, many of which are sequels to existing games played on the blockbuster
PlayStation 2, include "Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of the Patriots" from Konami Corp..
Oh buy more Sequels in a Sequel saturated area.
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By the end of 2009, Enterbrain expects Sony's PS3 sales to total 34 million units, surpassing an estimated 25 million Wii sales and 28 million Xbox 360 sales.
Now I don't believe this number will be anywhere near correct but I can see where they got it. Look at it closely. Its pretty much the same numbers that we have now between the PS2 Wii and XBox. Just doubled I believe.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 13, 2006, 12:54:20 PM
I hope I am wrong on the last part, but I do know that there will NOT be a breakout winner like the current/last generation.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 13, 2006, 01:56:42 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 13, 2006, 02:50:29 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 13, 2006, 03:14:17 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Spak I have to disagree a bit, I think the Wii has the most potential to be a breakout winner if it stays competitively priced and the Wiimote flips gaming on its head. In regards to PS3's visuals, isn't it true that PC gaming ALREADY has the PS3 beat visually? I know Xbox 360 and PS3 are not that much different when it comes to visuals, they both haven't their strengths and weaknesses.
I don't think that PC's are there yet. Not in the general sense at least. It will take 2 years or so I believe for the PC to be there on average with the regular gamer crowd. (Though probably with SLI and all that but thats not widespread like a single card setup.)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 13, 2006, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 13, 2006, 07:49:31 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 13, 2006, 08:29:25 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 14, 2006, 05:31:59 AM
Sure, we can run in DX9 mode, but it won't look nearly as good as the screens.But that's okay, since none of them will be fun anyway =D
Post by: KDR_11k on October 14, 2006, 11:10:41 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 15, 2006, 06:09:48 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 15, 2006, 09:38:50 AM
OpenGL supports extensions, if the card has a feature that's not in the standard it can still make it available to the developer, I don't think DX is any less capable.
Post by: Ceric on October 15, 2006, 10:24:21 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 15, 2006, 11:48:18 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 16, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
Plz discuss. You people understand it better than i do.
Plus an earlier INQ article said Vista gaming would be 10-15 fps slower than XP gaming for contemporary gfx hardware.
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 16, 2006, 05:47:29 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 16, 2006, 09:00:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35110
Plz discuss. You people understand it better than i do.
Plus an earlier INQ article said Vista gaming would be 10-15 fps slower than XP gaming for contemporary gfx hardware.
I read the article tomorrow. But I don't the 10-15 thing is because of how it does graphics is slower. Just that the operating system itself is now using the videocard and as most new operating systems to have more features it has more overhead.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 16, 2006, 11:37:47 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 17, 2006, 12:10:35 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 17, 2006, 02:19:22 AM
Post by: JonLeung on October 17, 2006, 04:52:49 AM
I also remember a time when I was so hyped to get a double-speed CD-ROM. It wasn't even a CD-writer. Return To Zork was one of the games that came with it, and soon I got Star Wars: Rebel Assault! 7th Guest was kinda cool too, but I think some of the cut-scenes would've traumatized me if I was any younger.
But, no, Nintendo didn't like CDs. I remember a time when Sony wasn't in the industry. Good times.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 17, 2006, 04:59:29 AM
Why are we talking PCs in a Thread about Sony being hit in the media anyway?
Post by: Ceric on October 17, 2006, 07:08:53 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 17, 2006, 09:39:52 AM
D'OH!
Post by: Ceric on October 17, 2006, 10:10:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
DirectX9 Stuff Here
D'OH!
Fixed for Pro666.
Interesting about the 9.0L. I thought Aero be D10 all the way.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 17, 2006, 10:32:31 AM
The wait is OVER
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 17, 2006, 10:49:23 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 17, 2006, 11:21:44 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on October 17, 2006, 11:36:12 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 17, 2006, 11:38:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Children? omg PS3 is teh kiddie
There ya go...
Post by: capamerica on October 17, 2006, 12:11:56 PM
1. The kid obviousely cannot afford a PS3. This household being advertised, isn't the kind of demographic "crazy Ken" said they were aiming for.
2. The new spider-man movie is coming out on November 17th!?! Seriously You can't tell its for the PS3, Since they are using the Spiderman Font and we know there is a 3rd one in the works this almost comes across as a Spiderman 3 ad.
3. Waiting for a space ship to take you away from your home and family, with a time and date?
Lets see, the last time I recall that happening in the news was a group of wackos who committed mass suicide in order to enter the ship.
4. Theres only a few kids on the roofs. Guess its a sign that on launch day only 15 kids are going to have a ps3 in an entire city.
Post by: Arbok on October 17, 2006, 12:15:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Children? omg PS3 is teh kiddie
Damn I was beaten to it... anyway I kept waiting for it to say "Spider-man 3" after seeing the "Wait is over" text...
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 17, 2006, 12:45:26 PM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
I like some of the things other people have pointed out about this video.
1. The kid obviousely cannot afford a PS3. This household being advertised, isn't the kind of demographic "crazy Ken" said they were aiming for.
2. The new spider-man movie is coming out on November 17th!?! Seriously You can't tell its for the PS3, Since they are using the Spiderman Font and we know there is a 3rd one in the works this almost comes across as a Spiderman 3 ad.
3. Waiting for a space ship to take you away from your home and family, with a time and date?
Lets see, the last time I recall that happening in the news was a group of wackos who committed mass suicide in order to enter the ship.
4. Theres only a few kids on the roofs. Guess its a sign that on launch day only 15 kids are going to have a ps3 in an entire city.
Perfectly accurate.
Post by: JonLeung on October 17, 2006, 01:18:10 PM
When I see certain commercials, I wonder what it takes, exactly.
In this case, not much, apparently.
If I wasn't against the PS3 on general principle, I'd say that Sony could give me money and I could make a better commercial with no effort. (Sure, it's a teaser, so you wouldn't show much...but this, as has been stated, is just...I don't know. (Just like the PS3 teaser at E3! "I'll beat you down, because...I don't know.") No, really, this commercial is garbage. Though it is succeeding in making us talk about it.)
They must be aware of my plot to put subliminal "buy a Wii" messages everywhere...
I think reusing the Spider-Man 3 font is stupid. You'd think Spider-Man was an anagram of PlayStation or something.
Post by: Ceric on October 17, 2006, 01:23:52 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
YouTube has a totally awesome PS3 commercial. It looks like an ad for abused kids and ends with Sony acting like PS3 is everyone's life.
The wait is OVER
OMG Aliens Are COMING to Steal the Worlds EMO Children....
Post by: SixthAngel on October 17, 2006, 02:50:20 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on October 17, 2006, 05:01:38 PM
Why don't YOU?
Post by: JonLeung on October 17, 2006, 05:38:40 PM
But maybe what it ACTUALLY was was that Spider-Man 3 would be the first movie to be simultaneously released in theaters and Blu-Ray. The Spider-Man films are released by Sony Pictures, and Blu-Ray is Sony's technology. Spider-Man is very likely one of the few major successes of Sony Pictures, and the PS3 will need some good Blu-Ray titles to convince people that this is better than HD-DVD.
It all makes sense now. Doesn't it?
Post by: Arbok on October 17, 2006, 05:51:16 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
I remember hearing that Spider-Man 3 would be the first movie to be simultaneously released in theaters and DVD awhile back. If I heard right, yeah, I don't get it either. Why would you go to a theater now?
But maybe what it ACTUALLY was was that Spider-Man 3 would be the first movie to be simultaneously released in theaters and Blu-Ray. The Spider-Man films are released by Sony Pictures, and Blu-Ray is Sony's technology. Spider-Man is very likely one of the few major successes of Sony Pictures, and the PS3 will need some good Blu-Ray titles to convince people that this is better than HD-DVD.
It all makes sense now. Doesn't it?
Spider-Man is Sony Pictures' most bankable franchise right now. For that reason I would almost like to say "no way"... but then look at what happend to the PS3 in order to push Blu-Ray. What I do know, though, is that if they go to the extreme of not offering Spider-man 3 for DVD and only Blu-Ray (not mentioned but in the same vein) it would work well in pushing the players in the homes of consumers... but at the cost of around .3-.4 billion dollars in potentional revenue assuming it would have around the same performance as the first two.
Post by: Hocotate on October 17, 2006, 10:40:29 PM
Anyway, this commercial is very bleh. As stated, it wouldn't be too hard to come up with something better then this. The again, I don't know crap about making a commercial either lol.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 17, 2006, 11:27:48 PM
In other news, well technically its old news but still nice to kick Sony while they are down: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6159832/index.html?tag=features;title;0
Above link is a "waiting" test of PSP load times. I ask u guys now how long are u willing to wait for a game to load if it has the most orgasmic graphics? I really hope on Sony's part that their 2x BluRay is fast enough, otherwise ppl will be playing the Wii while there PS3 loads...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2006, 12:04:04 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 18, 2006, 06:06:15 AM
You do feel a sense of wonder and mystery, but you feel like the boy is trying to escape something, not become inspired or greater like the commercial is trying for.
In the end, I felt disturbed by the commercial not in awe of it.
Post by: Arbok on October 18, 2006, 07:56:27 AM
Complete logic fail...
"The longer the load, the better the game/console"
Ah ha ha...
"despite the loading time PSP still the best portable device now, and the time 4 min in PSP or any is not like 4 min on PC >>>>>>> on PC you will wait 4 min or 5 min in front of it but in PSP you can do anything while loading just when loading finish look at the screen and play so 4 min is not that problem"
Can't argue with that...
"any game console that is cartrige base now, is proven to be for the younger generation of kids, because its simple, they can just take out the game and just put it in their pocket, and nothing can happen with it, they made certain that little kids will be able to handle their games, and crap like that, that is why you see so many little kids with the ds lite, it was made so the smaller people can have better game time, one of the coolest things is that the psp is now starting to show up in movies, and the ds isnt, hahah even the rich people are going for the psp, because they know that they are getting more bang for their buck"
Friggin priceless...
That article you posted ShaolinKilla has a goldmine in terms of comments
Post by: KDR_11k on October 18, 2006, 09:06:28 AM
Keep in mind that the multiplier has a different base value for each format. A 20x CD drive has a much lower data rate than a 20x DVD drive. No idea what the base speed for Bluray is but it's probably a few MB/sec.
"any game console that is cartrige base now, is proven to be for the younger generation of kids, because its simple, they can just take out the game and just put it in their pocket, and nothing can happen with it, they made certain that little kids will be able to handle their games, and crap like that, that is why you see so many little kids with the ds lite, it was made so the smaller people can have better game time, one of the coolest things is that the psp is now starting to show up in movies, and the ds isnt, hahah even the rich people are going for the psp, because they know that they are getting more bang for their buck"
Friggin priceless...
Ahahahaha, yeah. Because PSP movies are just FLYING off the shelves. And because adults LOVE fragile hardware.
Post by: Athrun Zala on October 18, 2006, 09:15:58 AM
WTF? one games takes FOUR MINUTES to LOAD???
on a PORTABLE???
and the fastest is 51 sec???
as expected, Sony got all concepts wrong....
Post by: couchmonkey on October 18, 2006, 10:15:30 AM
Sweet, I've got a signature update to do...
One very minor thing in Sony's favour, that 50 second figure is including all the time they spent clicking through menus, so the actual loading screens for the "best" games may have only been 20 seconds long. Still way too much, IMO. I think anything over 5 seconds is too long, unless it's loading an hour or more worth of gameplay.
Post by: IceCold on October 18, 2006, 11:07:14 AM
QuoteAggresive, eh?
Kaz Hirai: For day one, we are going to have a total 400,000 units for the launch period only for North America, and we expect to have about one million units by the end of the calendar year. These are some pretty aggressive numbers.
QuoteWow..
What we don’t do however is have a brand name for the network service, you know, like PlayStation Online or PlayStation Live, and this is because we don’t we don’t see a “PlayStation offline”.
What I’m trying to say is that it doesn't matter if you are enjoying content from a Blu-ray disc or you are enjoying content you just downloaded from the network, at the end of the day it’s all PlayStation 3 so we don’t differentiate between content, and I think that makes a clear point between us and some of our competitors, who like to differentiate how the consumers get the content, that’s the difference in the strategy or the basic philosophy towards the online service.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2006, 11:16:32 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 18, 2006, 11:20:36 AM
Then again i still think the worst game I've played in terms of loading is Fable on Xbox. Great game but the loading was half the game. It reminded me of Half Life 2 where it loaded every other section of the level. Fable however loaded everytime u left a town, entered a different section of a town, and it had some stupid autosave function that had a saving screen & had to load the game again after it saved.
Seriously I think if a game is gonna make us wait 5min to load they should let us play a mini game while it loads, like say a generic version of tetris or asteroids.....
Post by: vudu on October 18, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
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What we don’t do however is have a brand name for the network service, you know, like PLAYSTATION ONLINE or PLAYSTATION LIVE, and this is because we don’t we don’t see a “PLAYSTATION OFFLINE”.
What I’m trying to say is that it doesn't matter if you are enjoying content from a Blu-ray disc or you are enjoying content you just downloaded from the network, at the end of the day it’s all PLAYSTATION 3....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 18, 2006, 12:04:42 PM
All that data will be compiled to strategically market Spider Man FOUR.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2006, 03:13:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Kaz
What I’m trying to say is...I don't have a ****ing clue what I'm trying to say...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on October 18, 2006, 04:46:03 PM
controllers without replacable batteries. Sound like a winning plan to me!
Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2006, 05:30:05 PM
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But talking about online gameplay one of the most important things for example is that Resistance: Fall of Man will support 40 players online as well as video chat, text chat, voice chat, rankings for games, downloading additional content for your games like levels, weapons or characters depending on the game and their online capabilities.
lol
I read that and the immediate thought was, "Confirmed. PS3 Online made for Resistance: Fall of Man only. All other will have to hack it."
Edit:
On the above article. Exploding batteries and having to pair with a USB cable instead of sync buttons... Yeah...
I can see the Why on that one but it doesn't make it stink any less.
Post by: Arbok on October 18, 2006, 06:10:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
On the above article. Exploding batteries and having to pair with a USB cable instead of sync buttons... Yeah...
I can see the Why on that one but it doesn't make it stink any less.
Yeah, that same quote from the article caught my eye the most:
"According to the report, the controller will have to be paired to the console via the USB cable before play. This pairing process will be required each time the console has been shut down and turned back on, or - given the rough translation - possibly every time the controller has lost power."
That's much worse than the battery issue to me, and sounds like it could be a real pain in the ass over time.
Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2006, 09:33:44 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2006, 10:47:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Forget about over time. Can't you turn on the 360 with a Wireless controller? Isn't the Wii suppose to have the functionality too... I mean I might as well just keep them corded... Oh wait, is there enough USB ports to do that? That will get annoying really quick considering all other wireless controller technology doesn't make you do that.
Yeah 360 lets you turn it on with the controller wirelessly, which is a great feature. I wonder what Sony's reason is for having such a goofy setup? Makes me think more and more they let the functionality and quality of the PS3 go by the wayside in order to try and perfect the blu-ray player.
Post by: Ceric on October 19, 2006, 05:25:18 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 19, 2006, 05:43:48 AM
Sony is doing things odd. Technically they actually upgraded their controllers more than Microsoft did. Microsoft just designed a great ergonamic modern controller. Sony sorta made an attempt to make a new control system...but only Nintendo has designed a completely new control style and system for games.
Post by: Ceric on October 19, 2006, 05:49:44 AM
Yeah, Nintendo did that with the DS, SP, DSLite, and Micro. *shrug* Its not a bad choice to go with an internal battery. Now the USB thing is whats getting my miffed. All the Viable wireless controllers that have come out hasn't needed to be connected to there machine at any point. It just doesn't sound good but I'll reserve giving a critical critical opinion till I get to use it.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 19, 2006, 09:24:59 AM
I am not a big fan of the PS2 controller, and I could be less of fan of the PS3 controller, but I dunno yet.
Post by: vudu on October 19, 2006, 10:00:57 AM
QuoteLies!
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Controllers without replacement batteries...didn't Nintendo do that with the Gameboy Micro....
Don't even try to badmouth the Micro!
Post by: KDR_11k on October 19, 2006, 10:49:58 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 19, 2006, 11:06:13 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 19, 2006, 01:16:30 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
What Kaz meant to say was "We don't have a brand name for online because a Playstation 3 won't work offline".
KDR: Your new avator looks like it belongs to Bill more than you...better be careful, he may kill you for it.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 19, 2006, 01:55:53 PM
Link
Oh, I love how Sony's is charging 50 bucks for there half-assed controller. For all the people that complained about the Wiimote costing $60, what do you people feel about Sony doing this?
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 19, 2006, 02:18:49 PM
It looks like Xbox and PS3 will get money back from system losses from their controller costs.
Too bad.
As for Nintendo, you may think they are getting too large of a profit on the controllers, but you know...it really isn't that bad.
Oops EDIT I was wrong about Xbox 360 controller prices. Sue me. Will not change...so that everyone can laugh at my errors.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 19, 2006, 02:32:55 PM
Wow PS3's launch lineup looks terribly generic, most of the games are ports and/or sports games. The only "unique" exclusive games I see are Untold Legends, Resistance and Genji.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 19, 2006, 02:36:14 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 19, 2006, 03:21:09 PM
BUT...
The $59.99 first party game prices?
The downloadable first party title tagged at less than $15?
The 30-hour maximum battery life?
Those are the niggling details that caught my eye. But seriously, overall, nothing more, nothing less than was expected.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 19, 2006, 06:05:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
The controller price isn't a big deal, everyone has high controller prices this gen.
BUT...
The $59.99 first party game prices?
The downloadable first party title tagged at less than $15?
The 30-hour maximum battery life?
Those are the niggling details that caught my eye. But seriously, overall, nothing more, nothing less than was expected.
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Yeah the 59.99 was weird because I could have sworn they said first party games would be 49.99!
Post by: Famicom on October 19, 2006, 06:24:41 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 19, 2006, 06:43:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Famicom
Check out Sony's new fact sheet.
Oh that's classic. If Microsoft actually does go through with any type of legal action, which they should without question, Sony could have a lot of egg on their face if the major news outlets pick up this story.
Post by: JonLeung on October 19, 2006, 07:09:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Well everything about the PS3's launch has now been revealed.
Link
Talladega Nights: The Ballad Of Ricky Bobby as a pack-in Blu-Ray movie? Now, I haven't seen the movie myself, but surely there could've been a better choice for a pack-in. The UMD format was garbage but at least the PSP came with Spider-Man 2 (no, I don't have a PSP, but I would guess that in any case Spider-Man is probably more popular than Ricky Bobby). Heck, maybe even a Blu-Ray version of either Spider-Man film would be better.
Or I should see Ricky Bobby before I put my foot in my mouth.
Or not.
Anyway, it's not like the Spider-Man 2 UMD pushed PSP sales much. Maybe Sony's just dumping off the Ricky Bobby Blu-Rays that they can't sell.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 19, 2006, 07:13:48 PM
Post by: Arbok on October 19, 2006, 07:29:51 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Maybe Sony's just dumping off the Ricky Bobby Blu-Rays that they can't sell.
Well as cited in the article, they are packing the film in with PS3s before the movie will even hit the home video market. The film was also a pretty good sized hit at the box office, netting $148 million during its domestic run. The only problem is that the film's audience is not even close to the same one that I could see shelling out $600 for a console, during a very limited launch, in order to get that movie early.
Still, I actually think this is a good move by Sony... to make sure that consumers don't forget that the PS3 can also play these things called Blu-Ray discs.
Post by: Blue Plant on October 19, 2006, 07:49:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Famicom
Check out Sony's new fact sheet.
The Blu-ray drive is free? Those must be some expensive LEDs on the thing to cost $499-$599! Sarcasm, of course. Or is it?
Post by: Ceric on October 19, 2006, 08:10:56 PM
If you look at the Fact Sheet itself and ignore the price thing its ok but not more than that.
Post by: TrueNerd on October 19, 2006, 08:49:21 PM
I LOLed at the fact that Sony will let you re-download games you already purchased for up to FIVE different PS3's. It's forward thinking, as everyone knows your first four PS3's will be broken by March.
And big time LOL at that "fact" sheet. Sony's Spin For The Win!
Post by: Zach on October 19, 2006, 09:02:20 PM
Edit: Admittedly, nobody is gonna buy a wii just for WiiSports.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 19, 2006, 10:22:17 PM
This "Fact" sheet is pretty weak, next thing you know Sony will play a 360 game versus the PS3 counterpart....and not mention one is running in HD and one isnt.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 19, 2006, 10:36:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Adding Blu-ray Disc with it was a good call but I think they should have kept with the theme and Packed in a Blu-Ray Remastered Version of Spiderman. That make the Deal much much sweeter then anything else in there arsenal and there stealing the font anyway.
If you look at the Fact Sheet itself and ignore the price thing its ok but not more than that.
Yeah nothing screams game console like packing in a movie
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Post by: Ghisy on October 19, 2006, 10:38:56 PM
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"one of the coolest things is that the psp is now starting to show up in movies, and the ds isnt, hahah even the rich people are going for the psp, because they know that they are getting more bang for their buck"
Errr, wow, that's laughable!!
Maybe the reason why PSPs are being showned in movies is probably because these movies were made/distributed by Sony/Columbia. Now wouldn't that make more sense?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 19, 2006, 11:30:56 PM
I could've sworn they said there wouldn't be two PS3 SKUs, either. And that they're not doing a centralized online service.
I like Sony's fact sheet, it makes it abundantly clear that you should buy the Wii.
This "Fact" sheet is pretty weak, next thing you know Sony will play a 360 game versus the PS3 counterpart....and not mention one is running in HD and one isnt.
Naah, they'll make their own comic series where MS is an evil syndicate run by robots that want to corrupt our children and whose console ships with a CD shooter that doesn't even compare!!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 20, 2006, 12:05:50 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Yeah the 59.99 was weird because I could have sworn they said first party games would be 49.99!
I could've sworn they said there wouldn't be two PS3 SKUs, either. And that they're not doing a centralized online service.
I like Sony's fact sheet, it makes it abundantly clear that you should buy the Wii.
This "Fact" sheet is pretty weak, next thing you know Sony will play a 360 game versus the PS3 counterpart....and not mention one is running in HD and one isnt.
Naah, they'll make their own comic series where MS is an evil syndicate run by robots that want to corrupt our children and whose console ships with a CD shooter that doesn't even compare!!
Lol you have a point with it making Wii look like the best buy, those N/As for most of the categories tell me as a consumer that you don't need all that pointless stuff for 500-700$
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Post by: KDR_11k on October 20, 2006, 05:06:52 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 20, 2006, 06:24:46 AM
Launch lineup: Nice to finally see what it is. I'm mildly interested in a couple of games, but overall: meh.
Controller price: Just as bad as Nintendo's, considering the relative capabilities of each. Boo to high controller prices!
Post by: capamerica on October 20, 2006, 07:02:22 AM
SCEA launch titles:
* Resistance: Fall of Man
* NBA 07
* Genji: Days of the Blade
* Untold Legends Dark Kingdom
Third-party titles:
* Blazing Angels (multiplatform)
* Call of Duty 3 (multiplatform)
* The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (multiplatform)
* F.E.A.R. (multiplatform)
* Fight Night Round 3 (multiplatform)
* Full Auto 2
* Madden NFL 07 (multiplatform)
* Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (multiplatform)
* Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
* NBA 2K7 (multiplatform)
* Need For Speed Carbon (multiplatform)
* NHL 2K7 (multiplatform)
* Rainbow Six Vegas (multiplatform)
* Ridge Racer 7
* Sonic the Hedgehog (multiplatform)
* Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 (multiplatform)
* Tony Hawk's Project 8 (multiplatform)
And truth be told out of their three 3rd party "exclusives" Ridge Racer 7 and Full Auto 2 are really just ports of Ridge Racer 6 and Full Auto from the Xbox360.
Pretty sh!tty line up if you ask me. Anyone who would go into BestBuy and look at the PS3 line up and then the Xbox360 line up would easly go with the Xbox360 since they can save $200.
Post by: MaryJane on October 20, 2006, 07:19:34 AM
Launch will still do well for Sony though, multiplatform games or not, people buy games for the system they want, I still predict a strong launch for Sony, the true test comes 6months after that.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2006, 07:31:22 AM
I would love a side by side comparison of the launch lineups...because I believe Nintendo's lineup till March completely destroyes the PS3s lineup.
Post by: JonLeung on October 20, 2006, 07:42:24 AM
I'm sure there are some PlayStation fanboys who will still think it's worth the wait, not be soured by the fact that they still don't have one yet, and not use the Internet or have many friends to tell them of the other likely problems and/or dissatisfaction they may have with their PS3s. Some fanboys are hard to break.
Though I would think that most PlayStation fanboys really just want the most popular console or the one with the most games (even if they could never play them all). I don't really think many are actually fans of Sony themselves. So if Sony screws up, it's very easy for them to lose market share since an Xbox 360 or even the Wii could fill their gaming needs for less money and they'd feel little obligation to stick with the PlayStation.
Post by: Ceric on October 20, 2006, 07:49:10 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolutionQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
Adding Blu-ray Disc with it was a good call but I think they should have kept with the theme and Packed in a Blu-Ray Remastered Version of Spiderman. That make the Deal much much sweeter then anything else in there arsenal and there stealing the font anyway.
If you look at the Fact Sheet itself and ignore the price thing its ok but not more than that.
Yeah nothing screams game console like packing in a movie
But I have been enlightened to what the PS3 real purpose in life is. It is the next iteration in Spider-man distribition. It's purpose in life is to allow you to view all the Spider-man movies in High Definition. Allow you to analyze the sweat on the brow of his opponents. With playing prowless of the PS3 it will allow you to not only watch but PLAY the Spider-man movies as Spider-man himself or maybe even a villian. Motion control is in for Webslinging. You'll need two SixAxiS though.
To support my theory:
1) the Hardcore audience that the PS3 is geared toward is part of the traditional Spider-man Demographic.
2) the Spider-man Font
3) PS3 Spider-man 3 Coincidence?
4) Black like Venom who is in Spider-man 3
The list can go on and on. Though this is really the release of the Play as Spider-man 3. The Playstation name is being used as a cover-up. Now beleive...
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Posted by: Spak-Spang
I would love a side by side comparison of the launch lineups...because I believe Nintendo's lineup till March completely destroyes the PS3s lineup.
First we need Nintendo to release an official launch line-up.
Post by: Ceric on October 20, 2006, 07:53:31 AM
Date Posted: Fri October 20, 2006 12:12 AM
Posted By: BlkPaladin (PGC Forum User)
This is from Bloomburg that Sony said yesterday that their they might not meet their target of 2million PS3 shipped by the end of the year and 6 million through March. This new item is dated today but it was from their play day yesterday.
Bloomburg article.
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Date Posted: Fri October 20, 2006 2:38 AM
Posted By: VGrevolution (PGC Forum User)
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Originally posted by: BlkPaladin
This is from Bloomburg that Sony said yesterday that their they might not meet their target of 2million PS3 shipped by the end of the year and 6 million through March. This new item is dated today but it was from their play day yesterday.
Bloomburg article.
I am so shocked, and Sony was doing EVERYTHING right up to this point.
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Date Posted: Fri October 20, 2006 6:17 AM
Posted By: Mr. Jack (PGC Forum User)
In the words of Nelson from the Simpsons "HA HA!"
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Date Posted: Fri October 20, 2006 10:28 AM
Posted By: couchmonkey (I tye dyed my Wii and I love it)
Totally expected. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together could see that 0.5 million consoles at launch plus 1.5 million more in the following six weeks didn't add up. By the same token, I'll be surprised if they meet the 6 million target in March, although that's at least within the realm of possibility.
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Date Posted: Fri October 20, 2006 10:55 AM
Posted By: capamerica (^______^)
I've been saying this since they announced they will only be launching in US and Japan first.
So much has been going wrong for them since day one of the PS3 why should anything go right for them.
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Post by: Donutt007 on October 20, 2006, 08:24:34 AM
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Blu-ray discs and other media may not operate properly when played on the PS3 system. This is primarily due to variations in the manufacturing process or encoding of the software.
Wonder if the HD-DVD add on for XBox 360 is gonna have the same problem?
Post by: Arbok on October 20, 2006, 08:24:55 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
I'm sure there are some PlayStation fanboys who will still think it's worth the wait, not be soured by the fact that they still don't have one yet, and not use the Internet or have many friends to tell them of the other likely problems and/or dissatisfaction they may have with their PS3s. Some fanboys are hard to break.
Yep, although at least the PSP has been working wonders on some of them.
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Originally posted by: Ceric
With playing prowless of the PS3 it will allow you to not only watch but PLAY the Spider-man movies as Spider-man himself or maybe even a villian. Motion control is in for Webslinging. You'll need two SixAxiS though.
The great part is that you still know that Activision will release the next Spider-man 3 game (if there is one) for all systems (hell, they even gave the Xbox the best version of the first Spider-man movie game).
Post by: couchmonkey on October 20, 2006, 08:48:13 AM
Post by: vudu on October 20, 2006, 09:16:48 AM
QuoteAnyone else notice that the fact sheet lists Wii's online as $0 for the first 6 months?
Originally posted by: Famicom
Check out Sony's new fact sheet.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 20, 2006, 09:17:10 AM
Post by: capamerica on October 20, 2006, 09:45:22 AM
“Native 1080p (versus 720p scaled to 1080p) uses much more VRAM than 720p. When we finished up a few of our bigger levels at the very end of the development process we realized that we would have had to steal VRAM from some of our characters and environments to run in native 1080p. Anyway, we felt it was best to stay at 720p and that, at least while 1080p televisions are still relatively scarce, we should focus on implementing 1080p for our future games.” - Ted Price
Post by: Kairon on October 20, 2006, 10:30:09 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 20, 2006, 11:50:42 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2006, 12:10:58 PM
Nintendo didn't bash Sega like Sega did.
And Sega is gone and Nintendo is still here.
Post by: SixthAngel on October 20, 2006, 05:22:21 PM
I predict less units then 400,000 at launch but Sony to not report it.
Post by: Kairon on October 20, 2006, 05:31:18 PM
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Post by: Ceric on October 21, 2006, 09:18:36 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 21, 2006, 09:30:35 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 21, 2006, 09:39:23 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 21, 2006, 04:15:09 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 21, 2006, 05:51:03 PM
EL HORRI-BLAY.
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 21, 2006, 05:56:26 PM
Post by: JonLeung on October 23, 2006, 10:00:05 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 23, 2006, 10:17:18 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 23, 2006, 10:41:34 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 23, 2006, 12:53:37 PM
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The debut of Sony's high-definition Blu-ray DVD player has been delayed once again. The player, which has been plagued with problems ranging from software glitches to parts shortages, has seen numerous delays this year. The official Sony website posted a notice over the weekend that the "targeted availability" of the player will be "on or about December 4, 2006."
Source
Looks like if you even want a Blu-Ray player that the PS3 will be the only option tell a month after release, if then.
Post by: hudsonhawk on October 23, 2006, 01:04:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Looks like if you even want a Blu-Ray player that the PS3 will be the only option tell a month after release, if then.
You mean other than the Samsung one that's been out for a while now? Of course it's slow and expensive, but there is one around.
Off topic, I wonder if the PS3 will use the hard disk for caching to speed loading during movie watching, since that seems to be a problem.
Post by: Arbok on October 23, 2006, 01:58:20 PM
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Originally posted by: hudsonhawk
You mean other than the Samsung one that's been out for a while now?
Well crap... my mistake.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 23, 2006, 03:11:27 PM
Post by: JonLeung on October 23, 2006, 03:18:40 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 23, 2006, 03:30:46 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 23, 2006, 03:44:40 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 23, 2006, 03:49:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I just don't understand how can Sony have the most time and then the most slapped together product.
I know what you mean, heck they were still adding stuff to the 500$ version in September (the HDMI port). That seems like really poor planning to me, they should have had their system finalized in July and started production. Nintendo was very smart when it came to Wii console production, they finalized their hardware in June or so in order to start production in a timely manner to have enough units out. It wasn't because of the inferior graphical hardware either, it is just that Nintendo has always been pretty smart when it comes to finalizing hardware!
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 23, 2006, 03:58:57 PM
1) Ken Kurtagi demands CELL.
2)Sony techs make CELL.
3)Ken Kurtagi is not satisfied and demands they start completely from scratch, but within the same time constaints.
4)Sony techs create new CELL.
Now, from what I can tell, they completed the final CELL chip about a four days ago. They start production tomorrow, and they'll start thinking about online structure in about a week or so.
Post by: Kairon on October 23, 2006, 04:58:13 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
it is just that Nintendo has always been pretty smart when it comes to finalizing hardware!
I think the GC and N64 launches werwe horribly under-supplied.
But it's exactly the unambitious hardware that lets them take a more agressive production schedule. Heck, MS is STILL trying to figure out how to manufacture their stuff efficiently a year after their X360 launch. They're losing so much money that they're trying to rework the inner chips of the X360 to make it cheaper for them to make it, not make it cheaper for consumers to buy. And that's with a much simpler console than Sony has...
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 23, 2006, 08:05:46 PM
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Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
it is just that Nintendo has always been pretty smart when it comes to finalizing hardware!
I think the GC and N64 launches werwe horribly under-supplied.
But it's exactly the unambitious hardware that lets them take a more agressive production schedule. Heck, MS is STILL trying to figure out how to manufacture their stuff efficiently a year after their X360 launch. They're losing so much money that they're trying to rework the inner chips of the X360 to make it cheaper for them to make it, not make it cheaper for consumers to buy. And that's with a much simpler console than Sony has...
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I thought GC had a good supply? I know N64 had troubles but I'm unsure about GC having similar troubles. Either way I am fairly certain that NIntendo has always tried to finalize hardware way ahead of time, it is just with WIi they have not ran into many if any production problems. Regardless of what people say the Wii hardware is still complex, but in different ways from Xbox 360 and PS3, the condensed size and limited power consumption is one of those complexities.
Post by: Ceric on October 23, 2006, 09:00:14 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 23, 2006, 11:05:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Have you guys seen the Cube Motherboard and then a picture of a PS2(Slimline version which is actually suppose to be cleaner then the bigger) and the XBox all relatively close. The Cube Mobo is a piece of art in comparison. Forget about that it's a piece of art in itself.
I'll have to check that out, I know the GC was definately a graphical marvel, it is too bad that it appears it wasn't even utilized to its fullest potential even with RE4. Then again that gives me alot of hope for the Wii which is even more powerful!
Post by: Louieturkey on October 24, 2006, 07:15:38 AM
Now where do I get my import stuff?
Post by: couchmonkey on October 24, 2006, 07:36:54 AM
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Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
it is just that Nintendo has always been pretty smart when it comes to finalizing hardware!
I think the GC and N64 launches were horribly under-supplied.
I don't really know about N64, I wasn't paying that much attention back then... GameCube, though, it was in decent supply around here. It was never sold out for more than a week, and by December it was never sold out at all. And according to Gamespot, GameCube sold less than 300,000/450,000 in Japan's launch week, so it seems like supplies were fine over there.
Post by: Smoke39 on October 24, 2006, 11:50:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
This just in, Sony Europe shuts down Lik-Sang.com. Check the front page for more info.
Now where do I get my import stuff?
The few times I've imported stuff I ordered from play-asia.com. They had the bit generation games cheaper, and lik-sang didn't even have the two Goemon games I imported.
Post by: JonLeung on October 24, 2006, 12:23:27 PM
I'm sure Wikipedia wouldn't like a list of what seems like Sony bashing.
But if it's the truth, I think a compiled list with a timeline and links to relevant sources would go a long way in convincing people not to support the stupidity that is now synonymous with Sony.
Kind of like:
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May 9, 2006 - Sony's embarrassing E3 press conference (references to real-time weapon change, "actual" Japanese history with giant enemy crabs, the claim of motion sensing as an incredible innovation of their own, "non-gimmick" uses of the PSP as a rear view mirror, crazy price announcements, etc.)
XXX XX, 2006 - Technical/Production Problem X (chip yields?)
XXX XX, 2006 - Sony claims they didn't steal the idea of motion control from Nintendo, instead claims the reverse
XXX XX, 2006 - Sony delays European launch, reduces quantity estimates for rest of world
XXX XX, 2006 - Technical/Production Problem Y (Blu-Ray LED problems?)
XXX XX, 2005 - Sony rep says something stupid ("We don't care"/"The PS3 will replace your computer"/etc.)
XXX XX, 2006 - Developers drop exclusivity for game Z
Oct. XX, 2006 - Sony makes erroneous "fact sheet"
Oct. 24, 2006 - Sony causes Lik-Sang to close down
Etc.
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I think it would be a cool list, if someone had the time to compile it all. Like a "100 reasons Sony is ****ing up the PS3". It'd certainly be hard for any person to easily resist it, with or without the ridiculous price.
I'd print it off and spread it. Fanboy propoganda? Maybe. But it'd all be true. And Sony's bringing it on themselves anyway.
And next to a list of the ways Nintendo is doing well with the Wii...well, Sony would probably try to take me down like they did Lik-Sang! o_0 But it'd be fun. Someone go make the list. (Don't look at me, I'm lazy. >_>)
Post by: Ceric on October 24, 2006, 12:30:59 PM
Post by: MaryJane on October 24, 2006, 02:02:33 PM
my favorite pic is the one where the guy is wiping it down and you notice that it's almost as long as the guy's forearm, and it's wider than it is long.
why didn't they just make a desktop pc that can play their games? I might actually considering buying it earlier if it was, it's pretty close to the same price as one.
Post by: Arbok on October 24, 2006, 02:44:10 PM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
anyone see those pics at IGN of the PS3 unwrapping?
my favorite pic is the one where the guy is wiping it down and you notice that it's almost as long as the guy's forearm, and it's wider than it is long.
Links sometimes help:
http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/741/741368/img_4017717.html
Post by: SixthAngel on October 24, 2006, 05:12:25 PM
Post by: MaryJane on October 24, 2006, 05:33:48 PM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: MaryJane
anyone see those pics at IGN of the PS3 unwrapping?
my favorite pic is the one where the guy is wiping it down and you notice that it's almost as long as the guy's forearm, and it's wider than it is long.
Links sometimes help:
http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/741/741368/img_4017717.html
sorry i'm lazy. that dude looks like he's about 6ft tall, making his forearm, and the console bigger than my original estimation.
Post by: Ceric on October 24, 2006, 07:26:22 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
It is officially gigantic. I am surprised Sony made such an ugly console myself. They seem to be an incredibly style focused company. The mall in my area has a Sony store and it is called Sony Style. They are obviously pushing the style of their electronics over the actual quality. Maybe it is the Sony "perception" (or maybe money) that pushes magazines and sites to use the word sexy at least twelve times everytime they talk about a sony gaming product. I don't know how people can rave about how the ps3 looks when it looks like a giant, glossy vcr from years past.
That was the old Sony. Pre-PSX mainstream. Though the Laptops look nice and this...
<,< >.> I want one of those... Especially after Vista comes out and I can get a fully Vista Ultimate Capable one. Plus a larger amount of space. Darn you Sony...
Post by: couchmonkey on October 25, 2006, 08:59:37 AM
An article about this plus Sony's general money woes.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2006, 09:20:01 AM
It still is shocking though.
I wonder how Nintendo is doing with DS Lite and Wii production and shipping for end of the year.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 25, 2006, 12:42:52 PM
These people sure look like they are having a blast
Post by: JonLeung on October 25, 2006, 02:48:50 PM
They're not having a horrible time, but it's incredibly meh. They're not wowed by anything. They might as well have been playing a PS2 game. Looks like there's dust on their PS3, the woman doesn't really look like she's playing, the video looks low-budget, etc.
The photo thing, where the photos look as if they were physical photos, MIGHT be semi-neat...except for the fact that it's so slow.
Give it up, Sony. If that was a real production of yours (and considering the PS3 isn't out yet, I'm guessing it is), that's incredibly pathetic.
I'm going to go watch the hot Asian chick play Wii Sports: Tennis AGAIN.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2006, 02:57:55 PM
The expressions look forced, and actually it feels like my house when I play videos with people not interested in them.
They may smile, but they really are wanting to do something else.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 25, 2006, 03:09:07 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 25, 2006, 05:43:49 PM
The picture things was sort of cool but not very useful.
Of they would want to wow me then show me real people playing something like Liar or Warhawk that uses the motion. Maybe some online be nice. Or better yet I want to see the Blu-Ray playing interface. This was junk. It hurt there cause more than it helped.
This is much better
They should know there strength and go with something like this.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 25, 2006, 06:03:52 PM
Seriously i don't know how in the world it is possible for Sony to keep dropping the ball and not hear about someone losing his/her job, and no Lik-Sang employees don't count
Post by: couchmonkey on October 26, 2006, 05:11:39 AM
Oops, I've blown my cover! PS3 4EVER.
Post by: Ceric on October 26, 2006, 05:25:31 AM
Post by: jasonditz on October 26, 2006, 06:01:09 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
The reason nobody's losing their jobs yet is because the people who fire other people are the ones that needs to be cut loose. But you can bet Sony isn't going to fire Kutaragi or any other high-ranking types until PS3 is proven to be an absolute bomb, which is why Sony will not adapt quickly enough to Wii.
Oops, I've blown my cover! PS3 4EVER.
It's way past "adapt" time. The systems are out in a month, it's not like Sony can design something more capable of competing in the Wii's market. It'd be silly to fire people now, they're in this generation, for good or ill, with the PS3.
Kutaragi's job is most assuredly on the line here, his prints are all over the PS3 and if indeed it ends up the debauchle it's shaping up to be early on, not just he but the entire video game division will get the axe. But will it be as bad as all that? If the PS3 finds its killer app, if Sony can get the price down to a civilized level, it could still make a very good showing, I think. Their big handicap is that they have to rely on third parties for killer apps, but that's always been the case.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 26, 2006, 06:35:05 AM
I think you're missing a handicap: the technology they've stuffed into PS3. I have a feeling that a lot of that cutting-edge technology is going to force Sony to stick to its price for a while - they're already supposedly losing money and to get the PS3 price to a civilized level, I'd say they need to cut it by at least $100. If they did so and then successfully sold 20 million next year (like PS2 in its first year), they'd lose $2 billion - on top of what they're losing already. Of course that high-end technology will come down in price, but how quickly? It's not like Blu-ray lasers or Cell Processors are in high demand.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 26, 2006, 09:11:02 AM
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Post by: King of Twitch on October 26, 2006, 10:50:03 AM
Subtract another "...$366 million operating loss in its gaming division because of charges related to the preparation for the next-generation PlayStation 3 console..."
"...movie business also fared poorly, seeing its operating loss grow to 15.3 billion yen ($129 million)..."
"In the core electronics segment, Sony's operating profit for the three months ended Sept. 30, shrank 71 percent to 8 billion yen ($67 million) from 28 billion yen a year earlier."
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2006, 10:58:05 AM
Although that sounds bad...if the PS3 does well and software and accessories sell great then Sony will be able to pull through. If PS3 fails...then Sony will be hurting bad.
Lets hope for Sony that Spiderman 3 does great at the box office.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2006, 11:55:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
MjRx: Sounds like Sony has been taking a beating.
Although that sounds bad...if the PS3 does well and software and accessories sell great then Sony will be able to pull through. If PS3 fails...then Sony will be hurting bad.
Lets hope for Sony that Spiderman 3 does great at the box office.
Well I think the PS3 has to do better than well since they are starting out with such a huge loss. That is why I do not like the business behind taking huge losses on hardware, because it is so difficult to recoup those losses.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 26, 2006, 12:08:05 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2006, 12:12:17 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I'm beginning to worry a bit that Sony and Microsoft will both be gone in five years and it'll be like being at a party with this creepy guy named Nintendo that you were flirting with because he's cute and you knew he wouldn't try anything with Microsoft and Sony around to protect you, but now they're leaving and Nintendo's staring at you and making you feel all uncomfortable.
Wow, just wow.
Post by: IceCold on October 26, 2006, 12:17:29 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2006, 12:17:49 PM
However, it can be a viable strategy when you are trying to get your product into a household, that WILL lead you into buying complimentary products of your product. Selling a system for like a $20-$50 dollar loss is acceptable if you are going to make an additional $10 dollars on each accessory or game they buy for that product.
The thing with the Xbox 360 and PS3 is that they are losing like $100 or more on each unit, and that means that those additional $10 profits on accessories is going to take much longer to make up. And the reality is companies probably aren't making $10.00 profit on a single unit sold.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2006, 12:22:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
VGRevolution: I agree. In most cases it is very bad business to price yourself below cost...even if it is to meet or compete with market prices. (Which Sony isn't doing either with their price.)
However, it can be a viable strategy when you are trying to get your product into a household, that WILL lead you into buying complimentary products of your product. Selling a system for like a $20-$50 dollar loss is acceptable if you are going to make an additional $10 dollars on each accessory or game they buy for that product.
The thing with the Xbox 360 and PS3 is that they are losing like $100 or more on each unit, and that means that those additional $10 profits on accessories is going to take much longer to make up. And the reality is companies probably aren't making $10.00 profit on a single unit sold.
I do agree, it is just that I think it is too much of a gamble to dump your stuff onto the market below cost (especially to the extent of PS3 and 360). BTW did MS ever get out of the red with Xbox?
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on October 26, 2006, 12:26:33 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolutionQuote
BTW did MS ever get out of the red with Xbox?
I don't think they did, but it doesn't matter. They're Microsoft. Bill Gates makes so much money, if he's walking to a meeting and sees a $20 bill on the ground and stops to pick it up, he loses money.
Post by: IceCold on October 26, 2006, 12:30:45 PM
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Post by: JonLeung on October 26, 2006, 03:05:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Sir_StabbalotQuote
Originally posted by: VGrevolutionQuote
BTW did MS ever get out of the red with Xbox?
I don't think they did, but it doesn't matter. They're Microsoft. Bill Gates makes so much money, if he's walking to a meeting and sees a $20 bill on the ground and stops to pick it up, he loses money.
As often as I've heard that, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be paid by the second. No one is. And I doubt he's being paid hourly, either. And even if he was paid for every moment he's there, if he stops to pick up money, he could very easily get that money back by messing around at work for a few seconds after work. And if the point is that he should spend every available moment of his life at work for as much money as he can get, the counterpoint is that he doesn't need more money and anyone with as much money as he has shouldn't feel obligated to keep going to work every day anyway.
Seriously, each day he should be, like, "today, half of my workday's wages will go toward paying off the debt of a small country", since that'd be a better use of his money than he could do. I hear he already does a lot of good work with his money, including research into AIDS...you'd think they'd have found a cure for AIDS by now, unless all the supercomputers working on the solution are actually Xbox 360s that keep failing.
Post by: jasonditz on October 26, 2006, 03:43:22 PM
Post by: Galford on October 26, 2006, 04:09:10 PM
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=740504&page=1&pp=30
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/feature_visitwithsony.html
If anyone here has been following the HD DVD vs Blu Ray debate this should make you laugh.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 26, 2006, 08:02:39 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2006, 08:22:09 PM
The marketing firm for the PS3 needs to be fired. The Japanese commercial and the American commercial suck. They tell nothing about the experience and actually make the buyer feel uncomfortable.
I am seriously disturbed by this commercial and will probably have nightmares tonight.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2006, 08:22:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
http://gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7119 <--- The american PS3 commercial and boy does it suck.
That is one creepy commercial that tells me NOTHING about PS3 except that it will give me nightmares.
Post by: Arbok on October 26, 2006, 08:42:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
http://gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7119 <--- The american PS3 commercial and boy does it suck.
That commercail is awesome... for how bad it is. Really makes you happy to be rooting for the other side of this ad campaign for the PS3.
Post by: IceCold on October 26, 2006, 09:03:12 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 26, 2006, 09:07:59 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 26, 2006, 09:25:19 PM
But yeah the PS3 commercial.....wow, just awful if Nintendo did something like that i would drive up to Redmond and bitch slap everyone in the offices.
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 26, 2006, 09:32:16 PM
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Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
i dunno i thought this was pretty creepy, good, but creepy...............(NSFW) http://youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DHEVCW8oMN5M
But yeah the PS3 commercial.....wow, just awful if Nintendo did something like that i would drive up to Redmond and bitch slap everyone in the offices.
OMFG! That thing was creepy as hell! Threw me off guard big time. Wow. It's like one of those creepy flash things that has you distracted then make a loud noise and shows some messed up stuff.
Post by: decoyman on October 26, 2006, 09:40:15 PM
Post by: Strell on October 26, 2006, 09:42:42 PM
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Does Chris Cunningham do video game commercials now?
Congrats Sony. You out-stupid'd the "Jump In" commercials.
And then:
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They are going for the eBay crowd that buys creepy possessed ****.
GET IT?
EBAY CROWD?
PS3 ORDERS?
MUAHAHHA!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 26, 2006, 10:12:29 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 27, 2006, 04:46:11 AM
As for the PS3 commercial there is no reason to go that direction, it didn't make me feel awe or wowed by the PS3...If I didn't know what a PS3 looked like, I wouldn't have known it was a PS3 commercial.
Post by: JonLeung on October 27, 2006, 04:52:18 AM
I've never been so anxious to be creeped out at how weird Sony is getting, if the description of the video is accurate...
Post by: wandering on October 27, 2006, 05:09:25 AM
Best commercial ever.
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I'm beginning to worry a bit that Sony and Microsoft will both be gone in five years and it'll be like being at a party with this creepy guy named Nintendo that you were flirting with because he's cute and you knew he wouldn't try anything with Microsoft and Sony around to protect you, but now they're leaving and Nintendo's staring at you and making you feel all uncomfortable.
Ahahaha.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 27, 2006, 06:33:16 AM
I'm beginning to worry a bit that Sony and Microsoft will both be gone in five years and it'll be like being at a party with this creepy guy named Nintendo that you were flirting with because he's cute and you knew he wouldn't try anything with Microsoft and Sony around to protect you, but now they're leaving and Nintendo's staring at you and making you feel all uncomfortable.
CouchMonkey: Nintendo can rape me anytime they want...because with Nintendo its the good kinda rape where you can enjoy it.
(Jesus, please don't strike me down.)
Post by: JonLeung on October 27, 2006, 06:36:14 AM
How would Nintendo, if it were a person, look like, anyway? And what kind of person would he/she be? o_0
I'm sorry, but if the the essence of Nintendo was just like Miyamoto himself, as much as I love his work, I wouldn't want him to look at me funny, or worse. o_0
Post by: couchmonkey on October 27, 2006, 06:41:51 AM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
I wouldn't count Microsoft out, their latest earnings release showed the Xbox division trimming its loss. With Sony showing signs of weakness it's hard to imagine Microsoft won't try to wait them out.
Oh, I think Microsoft will definitely wait Sony out, but will it keep going after that? This article shows us that Microsoft has lost $1.26 BILLION on Xbox 360 already. That's ludicrous. Why is Microsoft still in this industry? Because, as the Microsoft guy in the article says, they're in the business to kick Sony out of the business. So, yes, MS will definitely wait Sony out. But after that, why should Microsoft stay in the industry? Because it's making a few bucks?
I'm just saying, if Sony really flops this generation, Microsoft may follow. Probably not right away, 360 is here to stay, for sure, but will MS see it as worthwhile to continue for another generation? That may depend on the Zune plans, (and of course how much profit MS can make once it gets in a better position) as Spak points out those have some merit.
Oh yeah, the commercial! It's better than the one with the kid running away from home because it's obvious that it's for Playstation 3. It'll probably appeal to a certain crowd, but I still don't think it's that great. (Edit: combined with the running away kid, Sony's message is clear: PS3 abuses children)
Post by: vudu on October 27, 2006, 09:23:31 AM
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Post by: capamerica on October 27, 2006, 10:58:30 AM
What is Sony thinking? Do they really think something like that will sell the PS3?
Man If I was younger that ad would give me nightmares.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 27, 2006, 11:10:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
http://gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7119 <--- The american PS3 commercial and boy does it suck.
Great way to ensure that NO CHILDREN will ask for it for Xmas...zero.
Post by: Ceric on October 27, 2006, 11:40:42 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2006, 08:15:02 PM
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Thanks largely to the DS, Nintendo's profits have seen a massive 72% increase from this time last year, while Sony is blaming the battery recall and PS3 start-up costs for their 94% downturn.
According to Gamasutra,
The company's games division (Sony) reported a ¥43.5 billion ($366.6m) loss, from a ¥8.2 million ($69,000) profit in 2005, thanks to research and development, manufacturing and marketing costs related to the launch of the PlayStation 3. Sales and operating revenue were down by 20.5 percent to ¥170.3 billion ($1.43bn).
A decrease in hardware sales worldwide was attributed to a drop in price for the PlayStation 2 and PSP. Software sales also decreased overall, although individual PSP sales were up on the previous year. Combined profit from the PS2 and PSP business was described as 'relatively unchanged'.
source: www.gwn.com
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 27, 2006, 10:08:54 PM
Oh and i stumbled upon this nice little pic ENJOY! http://www.wii60.com/uploads/1897.png
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 27, 2006, 10:16:46 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I didn't see this posted in here yet, but this is a Sony Financials ReportQuote
Thanks largely to the DS, Nintendo's profits have seen a massive 72% increase from this time last year, while Sony is blaming the battery recall and PS3 start-up costs for their 94% downturn.
According to Gamasutra,
The company's games division (Sony) reported a ¥43.5 billion ($366.6m) loss, from a ¥8.2 million ($69,000) profit in 2005, thanks to research and development, manufacturing and marketing costs related to the launch of the PlayStation 3. Sales and operating revenue were down by 20.5 percent to ¥170.3 billion ($1.43bn).
A decrease in hardware sales worldwide was attributed to a drop in price for the PlayStation 2 and PSP. Software sales also decreased overall, although individual PSP sales were up on the previous year. Combined profit from the PS2 and PSP business was described as 'relatively unchanged'.
source: www.gwn.com
It is truly stunning to see how much R&D is put into a console, especially one like PS3 that isn't anything special. If I was investor in Sony I would drop them like a bad habit, things are not looking promising especially since the games division is one of their most important!
Post by: couchmonkey on October 27, 2006, 10:55:17 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 27, 2006, 11:10:25 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Anybody know where I can find another copy of the "PS3 Experience" video that VGRevolution posted a couple of pages back? Looks like it was so embarassing for Sony that it got taken down again!
Boo to Sony, they must have threatened to sue over it!
Post by: Ceric on October 28, 2006, 10:42:21 AM
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Post by: jasonditz on October 31, 2006, 04:56:57 AM
Playstation 3: Destroyer of Worlds.
Post by: capamerica on October 31, 2006, 05:18:00 AM
The PS3 uses more then double that of the 360.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 31, 2006, 05:29:50 AM
PS3:
$500.00 for the system
$ 60.00 for a single game
$ 50.00 for a single Extra Controller
$ 50.00 for tax on system/Game/Controller
$ 50.00 for a single months power consumption
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$710.00
"PS3 Yes we are trying to make you broke, but at least we give you Talladega Nights Free."
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 05:43:18 AM
Ok to break it down. I pulled out my electric bill. Electricity is 8¢ per kilowatt hour. The PS3 is suppose to take 380 Watts per hour. Now we are going to run it full tilt for the whole day. 380 * 24 = 9120 Watts per Day. Now lets time that by the longest billing cycle 32 days. 9120 * 32 = 291,840 Watts per Billing Cycle . Know we are dealing with Kilowatts so we'll divide the number by 1000. 291,840/1000 = 291.84 Kilowatts per Billing Cycle. Now we'll time its by the rate. 291.84 * 8 = 2334.72¢ per Billing Cycle. Now we think in dollars and money is always rounded up so; 2334.72/100 = ~$23.35 per Billing Cycle.
So your actual cost for electricity per billing cycle for your PS3 is ~$23.35. Which is less then the cost for your Broadband Internet Connection you are suppose to have with it.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 31, 2006, 05:43:24 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 06:07:34 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 31, 2006, 06:19:54 AM
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Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
I'm curious how many people still care about the PS3, there has been virtually no good news for Sony and it seems every week Sony does something retarded whether it be killing Lik-Sang or cutting another 20% off the launch shipment for Japan. I think the only good news I've seen is apparently people are camping out to get PS3 pre-orders, so i guess its not the end of the world for Sony.
That's because the vast majority of people don't resreach their purchases very well. It might seem like bad news after bad news... but only the more diehards are hearing about it. For most people, Sony is still "video games" and people will line up for it regardless of quality due to the reputation the PS2 has built. After launch though it will be up to the system itself via word of mouth to sustain itself.
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 07:56:40 AM
Post by: jasonditz on October 31, 2006, 08:15:57 AM
My present desktop consumes 30-40 watts when in use... 60 if I'm really pushing it.
Post by: capamerica on October 31, 2006, 09:47:03 AM
So ya the PS3 is using a ton of power. I can't wait to hear how little the Wii uses.
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 10:14:24 AM
Post by: Kairon on October 31, 2006, 10:25:52 AM
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 31, 2006, 11:04:41 AM
U.S. Justice Dept. Probing Sony Unit
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 11:47:10 AM
SRAM price fixing. Not to hard to believe. I mean all the Ram makers seem to have partnerships with each other and no one is complaining because the prices are still relatively cheap. Though even more inexpensive SRAM could really open somethings up.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 01, 2006, 04:59:41 AM
Wow, more troubles, eh? Unbelievable. Of course, business is fraught with lawsuits and investigations, this isn't totally out of the ordinary, but Sony sure doesn't need it right now.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 05, 2006, 04:03:29 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a4GrzpPCD9k <-- Commerial or whatever trying to explain why Cell is "teh leet"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FwDeNkY454c&mode=related&search= <-- Commercial
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vbO6p2Sd9Bc&mode=related&search= <--- " " trying to explain why Blu-ray should own our souls as the new optical disc standard.
Post by: JonLeung on November 05, 2006, 04:26:01 PM
And some people at work are still hoping for the PS3 and not a Wii (Nintendo's not on their radar). I think that it might not be until closer to or after this holiday season when word-of-mouth will really be in Nintendo's favour and not for Sony. The price and quantity of the PS3 will guarantee that, no matter what games come out for it.
EDIT: I wanted to add that Rubik's Cube solvers are not very complex at all, so it doesn't require a Cell processor. I get that it's not the point, specifically, but I still wanted to mention it.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 05, 2006, 04:30:25 PM
the Rubix cube commercial is just stupid, smarter cell doesn't make me want to play games on a PS3
but I actually liked the Blu-ray commercial, I was always more proBRD than HDDVD mostly for space issues and possible read times and I think this commercial did a good job of explaining why you should be into not just one of the new HD formats but BRD specifically.
edit: PS3 Baby commercial parody
It takes the scary baby commercial and makes it kinda funny.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 05, 2006, 04:48:30 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I'm not sure but I think the Cell explanation tried to insult me..... & you too, all of you...
the Rubix cube commercial is just stupid, and I don't get it
but I actually liked the Blu-ray commercial, I was always more proBRD than HDDVD mostly for space issues and possible read times and I think this commercial did a good job of explaining why you should be into not just one of the new HD formats but BRD specifically.
For the optical discs you do know they were comparing the capacity of a single layered DVD to a 2x layered HD-DVD and a 2x layered Blu-ray.
Also I found the Cell commercial insulting because any processor is just a chip that technically just does calculations and any computer is just a box that does whatever we want it to do.
Post by: King of Twitch on November 05, 2006, 04:59:41 PM
Post by: IceCold on November 05, 2006, 05:03:15 PM
QuoteIf you're "not sure" about that, maybe it's warranted
I'm not sure but I think the Cell explanation tried to insult me..... & you too, all of you...
Seriously, though, normal people will think that's all a bunch of jargon, and it won't really be effective..
Post by: Ceric on November 05, 2006, 05:40:21 PM
Rubiks Cube: Fail. So does the PS3 have telekinetic powers is that what there trying to tell me?
Capacity: PS3 floated must have telekinetic abilities. I like this one as well. It put the space different in good terms. I don't know about the speed they gave but this ad actually showed a game as well. Wasn't scared.
In conclusion: If Sony only showed commercials like Capacity and Smarter then I would tell them they had a good compaign. Not great but fairly good. Though now they have to deny all knowledge of the scary ones. If Sony proved to me that the whole thing was rendered in 1080p in real-time with a PS3 then they go from fairly good to impressive.
Post by: Arbok on November 05, 2006, 05:53:46 PM
Post by: IceCold on November 05, 2006, 06:11:50 PM
QuoteBrain waves!
Rubiks Cube: Fail. So does the PS3 have telekinetic powers is that what there trying to tell me?
Post by: SixthAngel on November 05, 2006, 06:12:59 PM
Actual bad news seems to be that the PS3 will not have a unified friend system. I hope somebody else can confirm this because I can't find the original link but it mentions Resistance having a friends list separate from the rest of ps3.
Post by: Blue Plant on November 05, 2006, 07:09:08 PM
And that space-age technology stuff is best left to rubber duckies and Emotion Engines.
Post by: Hocotate on November 06, 2006, 01:05:37 AM
Post by: Renny on November 06, 2006, 02:35:26 AM
"PS3 Super-Double-Real-World-Time-Large Blu-Ray: The only thing you'll need more of, is money."
Please send my check in the mail for services rendered. Thank you.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 06, 2006, 03:03:27 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 06, 2006, 06:21:32 AM
Now, when I first heard about the Cell, I heard that it could "power-up" by sharing processes with other Cell processors. I assumed that it's not about the eight parts of the Cell but that you could have multiple PS3s or have a Sony TV or other Sony products with a Cell all working together to make games impressive. (Essentially a Sony product could be hyped up like "if you buy a Walkman, you can pump up your PS3 some more!)
Now, even if that were the case, it wouldn't matter one iota if developers don't put in the effort to use the PS3 to the max. Is it worth investing all that time and effort to render individual snowflakes (whether it realistically can or not) when a few layers of randomized white pixels would have the same effect? Are you going to make elaborate cutscenes in real-time and somehow think that's worth doing instead of a prerendered cutscene, for instance?
Granted, they could try and make a realistic game engine once (physics for every molecule!) and use it for a number of games...but then games would not only be more realistic but possibly more generic than they already are...which isn't a good thing. Or developers would get obsessed with having big war scenes with hundreds of soliders, planes, and bits of shrapnel that they forget about having good gameplay.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 06, 2006, 06:27:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Hocotate
Not bad... not really good, but not bad. I feel the main problem with the ad that shows game footage is; they show really nice CG early on, which makes the actual game footage look bad. I just don't see all this talk about how powerful the system is appealing to the casuals. These ads almost makes the PS3 seem "nerdy." Maybe it's just me.
No, I'd definitely agree. The problem is Sony is trying really hard to convince people that they're getting their $600 worth, so they have to try and "educate" consumers as to how great the system is. If you look at the ads where Sony is explainging the advantages of Cell and Blu-ray, it's really trying to be educational (even though a lot of it is kind of B.S.) The problem here is that if the system is so great with awesome next-generation graphics, why isn't it enough to show us video from the games? Why do we have to be "educated"?
I actually don't think the "educational" commercials are bad, in fact they should be pretty effective on certain gamers, but I think they expose one of the big questions of this generation: can diminishing graphical returns still rope a large consumer audience into paying $300-$600 for new game systems?
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 06, 2006, 07:23:26 AM
About the only thing I liked about it was how they changed the controller. I like the new trigger buttons and I like how they stole the middle button from microsoft and did something similar with it. Other than that, I'll pass on this system, my 360 should suffice.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 06, 2006, 07:25:21 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 06, 2006, 09:32:04 AM
Though I guess the Cell is an actual chip, whereas Blast Processing is only a buzzword (or buzzphrase, I guess). I had a friend who had all the main game consoles for a while but usually skewed towards Sega, and was more convinced that there was a "Blast Processing" chip than a Super FX chip.
And if load sharing isn't possible with the Cell, that's kind of a dumb name for it. Cells should work in conjunction with a bunch of other Cells to create some kind of freaky PS3 organism.
I guess like in the commercial it can do eight things at once, so there's still some "teamwork"...but, ugh, is it really that much better than a single-process chip? Even if it is, I'm not convinced of its greatness if I just want to play games and the games aren't any more fun even if they're "smarter".
Post by: couchmonkey on November 06, 2006, 09:54:44 AM
Edit: Thanks for the impressions Mr. Jack!
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Post by: Kairon on November 06, 2006, 01:51:56 PM
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Post by: Arbok on November 06, 2006, 03:31:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
You're so lucky to have independent game stores. I live in the Bay Area California, high land prices and urbanization has weeded out all but the big box retailers here... /cry
I live there too, and actually don't miss the independent game stores at all. I recall one in paticular that used to be around when I was growing up, which, during the 16-bit era, would charge $80 or so for used games like "The Little Mermaid" for the NES on the basis that they were "Out of Print - Collector's Item" as a sticker placed on the box would often state. I was able to get a used copy of Final Fantasy III (6) there, though, for $60, which I was happy to pay due to the fact that it became extremely hard to find by the time I got into RPGs (which was due to Super Mario RPG).
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 06, 2006, 04:26:17 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 06, 2006, 04:39:28 PM
And I don't blame the guy for not wanting to sell PS3s. After the PSP fiasco with bubbles in the screens, massive dead pixels, etc., I don't blame him at all, especially with Sony refusing to take them back.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 07, 2006, 06:41:02 AM
AFAIK Blast Processing referred to the Megadrive's ability to overclock its CPU when needed.
Taking full advantage of having 8 threads working in cync at once seems like a bitch to program.
Not really, it's not eight equal threads but one main thread and up to seven helper threads that are usually batch vector operations. So you'd take two lists of vectors, tell an available SPU you need these added and a number of cycles later you can grab the result from the SPU's memory. Most of the time you wouldn't even have 7 helper threads running, you'd only start one when you need to do a large operation and after that it ends. Depending on how your game works you might not even reach the 7 helper thread count at all. Of course you can speed some of the tasks you'd hand the SPUs up enough to make one task run in parts that fit on an SPU each. I'd guess that could be nasty to time properly, though since I don't think you get a guaranteed processing time that way and you need to coordinate your SPU tasks so you never throw too many at once (e.g. you throw a vector addition while all SPUs are idle, decide that since they're idle you can split it on all of them and while they're busy another part of your program wants to throw an SPU thread so it has to wait until the first job finishes which might not have been necessary had you not clogged up the SPUs earlier).
he doesn't see it viable to take a risk of the high percentage of those PS3s to be returned to him as defective and it will make him lose a lot of money (because he cant resell any dead units) and the fact that he told me that his profit margins would be razor thin for him.
Shouldn't Sony refund him for any defective PS3s he sends them? After all, if he has to cover them it was a warranty issue and the warranty is issued by Sony (unless he pushed an extended warranty and the unit died in that, shouldn't allow extended warranties on the PS3 then).
Post by: Ceric on November 07, 2006, 07:33:17 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on November 07, 2006, 09:00:12 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Taking full advantage of having 8 threads working in cync at once seems like a bitch to program.
Not really, it's not eight equal threads but one main thread and up to seven helper threads that are usually batch vector operations. So you'd take two lists of vectors, tell an available SPU you need these added and a number of cycles later you can grab the result from the SPU's memory. Most of the time you wouldn't even have 7 helper threads running, you'd only start one when you need to do a large operation and after that it ends. Depending on how your game works you might not even reach the 7 helper thread count at all. Of course you can speed some of the tasks you'd hand the SPUs up enough to make one task run in parts that fit on an SPU each. I'd guess that could be nasty to time properly, though since I don't think you get a guaranteed processing time that way and you need to coordinate your SPU tasks so you never throw too many at once (e.g. you throw a vector addition while all SPUs are idle, decide that since they're idle you can split it on all of them and while they're busy another part of your program wants to throw an SPU thread so it has to wait until the first job finishes which might not have been necessary had you not clogged up the SPUs earlier).
If you're not utilizing all 7, then it seems to me that you're not using the full potential of the processor. Seems like you either need to come up with some funky way of utilizing them all efficiently, or you're wasting a lot of that fancy, expensive processor.
Post by: wandering on November 07, 2006, 09:31:02 AM
Though now that I've said that, the infomercials weren't that bad.
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Did anyone care about the Emotion Engine?
Unfortunately, yes.
Post by: MaryJane on November 07, 2006, 11:58:38 AM
It was kind of like in Donnie Darko when he and Gretchen had that idea for those night time goggles that babies wear, why would a show a baby images of death and destruction?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 07, 2006, 02:17:36 PM
Post by: Arbok on November 07, 2006, 02:38:54 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
I always consider it a huge problem when commercials center around the technology of the gaming system and not the games!
Hey, it worked for the Atari Jagua... oh wait...
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 07, 2006, 02:53:46 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11kQuote
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Shouldn't Sony refund him for any defective PS3s he sends them? After all, if he has to cover them it was a warranty issue and the warranty is issued by Sony (unless he pushed an extended warranty and the unit died in that, shouldn't allow extended warranties on the PS3 then).
He would then have to ship them back to Sony at a cost and then wait a couple of weeks just to see how Sony will reimburse him. And this is a type of store that depends on profits of games, used games and the other merchandise he offers (toys, WWE shirts,action figures, Naruto shirts, Naruto action figures,new and used DVDs,holding videogame, Yu-gi-oh tournaments, Magic the Gathering tournaments) just to stay alive in business.
Post by: Ceric on November 07, 2006, 03:15:07 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 08, 2006, 04:00:02 AM
1)Had demand for that type of store.
2)Desires a shop that will get involved with tournaments and such...and then you advertise the fact that you have them.
3)Get Lucky in finding loyal patrons and keep them.
I would love to open up a Restaurant but the idea I have would cost too much money, but I believe it would be one of the most unique and fun places to eat for our generation.
Post by: ShyGuy on November 08, 2006, 07:03:22 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 08, 2006, 09:10:47 AM
MAYBE SOMEDAY WE SHALL COMPETE
Post by: wandering on November 08, 2006, 09:26:46 AM
BACK ON TOPIC. You know what I just realized? These ps3 ads are really similiar to the ads Nintendo used for GameCube's launch. Edit: Although the Cube ones were more game focused, and I liked them more.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 08, 2006, 11:20:45 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 08, 2006, 08:48:48 PM
It was curved with clean words on the top and left side. A PS3 shell in the middle then had screen shots that were the same size and lined up straight on the right side.
It was actually pretty nice looking til you saw the screen shots. Everything else on the display was super sharp. The screen shoots. Think about an old science text book. Now make it a little worse. Thats what it was.
I don't know why Sony doesn't get the picture. If you are pushing graphics show them off.
It would have been a good ad if it wasn't for those terrible resolution screen shots.
Wassup with them hindering there stengths?
On a side note this Walmart had no mention of the Wii.
I thought here be better then a new topic.
Also I want to have a restaurant with unlimited fries. You pay a per person charge and you pay for extra toppings.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 08, 2006, 10:42:39 PM
If your game really needs to keep the CPU at 100% load all the time that's your thing, most games will make sure there's some percentage of CPU time unused in an average situation so a peak situation is less likely to drop the framerate. Never mind that it's physically impossible to keep a CPU at 100% load in any real-life situation because of bottlenecks.
It was kind of like in Donnie Darko when he and Gretchen...
Um, who's Gretchen? In that movie, I mean. No such character listed in the IMDB cast list. I know who Gretchen is in Faust.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 08, 2006, 11:28:32 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2006, 12:54:48 AM
I kinda liked this one, but the wiimote could've done so much more with those eggs
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 09, 2006, 01:01:57 AM
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Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
i dunno about u guys but i personally liked the original GCN ads. I think the only thing i didn't like was the fact that there was one where a bunch of ppl didn't even take notice at the GCN and there was just this one guy that was captivated.
I guess it accurately predicted the Cube sales performance.
Post by: Shecky on November 09, 2006, 02:26:49 AM
I saw the rubix cube commercial, I then saw the flash for "smarter" at http://www.playb3yond.com/
..talk about quotes that stretch the truth.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 09, 2006, 03:20:58 AM
Why is Sony foolishly showing these cryptic moody commercials. Do something smart...SHOW THE GAMES. Supposedly this system is going to have the best graphics and gaming experience...well show it. I don't care about cool looking commercials...I want actual game play examples.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 09, 2006, 03:32:35 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2006, 03:57:42 AM
Ironically enough that was better then the rest on the non-educational ones. Sad thing is that it is still spooky. Little Kids are going to have nightmares about PS3 at this rate. A demographic that it seems Sony doesn't want. Microsoft would sorta love and Nintendo is branded with.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 09, 2006, 04:46:33 AM
No idea who that is or what those shows are.
Can someone explain "///7" ? The best I could come up with is 11/17, the release date.
Third to buy one gets a visit by Harman Smith?
Do something smart...SHOW THE GAMES. Supposedly this system is going to have the best graphics and gaming experience...well show it. I don't care about cool looking commercials...I want actual game play examples.
Can't get the PS3 to render a commercial without overheating I guess.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 09, 2006, 05:38:22 AM
Post by: EasyCure on November 09, 2006, 07:02:32 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
It's Jena Malone. She's also in Life as a House, and a personal fave Saved!
No idea who that is or what those shows are.
those are movies and jena malone is a very pretty actress. an ex girlfriend of mine looks alot like her actually
Post by: wandering on November 09, 2006, 07:05:33 AM
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Can someone explain "///7" ? The best I could come up with is 11/17, the release date.
That's it.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2006, 07:40:07 AM
NBA LIVE '07 canceled till '08
&
Sonic delayed till before end of 2007
Post by: couchmonkey on November 09, 2006, 09:44:17 AM
FEAR and Oblivion now in 2007
Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2006, 10:56:45 AM
I thought that was the only game they ever show anyone playing. How could it be moved. To '08 no less... "Buy NBA Live 2007 for PS3. Feel the Vintage."
Sonic isn't to bad it's just waiting till December. The story didn't mention of the 360 version was the same or not.
So this means the the real launch is the Europe launch?
Post by: Hocotate on November 09, 2006, 03:04:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
So this means the the real launch is the Europe launch?
Sure looks like it. The bad news just never stops for Sony... I guess next week it'll be FFXII is no longer a PS3 exclusive? I honestly wouldn't be surprised with the way things have been going for Sony.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 09, 2006, 03:22:55 PM
Seriously i think EA has about 20 or so bugs they need to work out of NBA Live, all of which have been present for years. Some include Magnetic Rebounding, Non Fouls for Shoving a player to the ground, Shots counting even after 1-5 secs after clock runs out, CPU AI running straight out of bounds for no reason, Players freezing up, the list goes on....
Oh and FEAR and Oblivion must've hurt.
Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2006, 04:23:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Hocotate
Sure looks like it. The bad news just never stops for Sony... I guess next week it'll be FFXII is no longer a PS3 exclusive? I honestly wouldn't be surprised with the way things have been going for Sony.
No offense but that would rock for me. Especially if its for the Wii or PC. My PS2 died and I don't see a reason to replace it till they become cheap which might be never.
Post by: JonLeung on November 09, 2006, 04:59:48 PM
Meaning that of the twelve main FFs, only IX, X, and XII are exclusive to PlayStations, and most PSX fanboys I know didn't like IX that much (I enjoyed it, myself). So if they disregard that one game then there are only two PSX FFs...and FF XII only just came out, yet the notion of PSXes being the home of FFs have been around for a while. Three out of twelve? That's a measly one out of four.
Strictly based on that track record, if Square-Enix even briefly considers to porting FF XII and/or XIII, I see no reason why they wouldn't.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2006, 06:36:35 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Those might have not been such a big deal if it wasn't also for these:
FEAR and Oblivion now in 2007
Both of these were rumored to be delayed some time ago, I believe it was posted in this thread too.
Now its official.... Does anyone have a PS3 launch title list?
Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2006, 06:58:24 PM
* November 7 - Delta Force: Black Hawk Down - NovaLogic - Shooter
* November 7 - SEGA Genesis Collection - SEGA - Compilation
* November 7 - Guitar Hero II - RedOctane - Music
* November 7 - Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 - Atari - Fighting
* November 7 - Bionicle Heroes - Eidos Interactive - Action
* November 7 - Call of Duty 3 - Activision - Shooter
* November 7 - The Sopranos: Road to Respect - THQ - Action
* November 7 - SOCOM U.S. Navy SEALs: Combined Assault - Sony Computer Entertainment - Shooter
* November 7 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas - Ubisoft - Tactical Shooter
* November 14 - WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2007 - THQ - Wrestling
* November 14 - Rayman Raving Rabbids - Ubisoft - Platformer
* November 14 - History Channel's Civil War - Activision Value - Strategy
* November 14 - Eragon - Vivendi Games - Adventure
* November 14 - Naruto: Uzumaki Chronicles - Bandai - Action
* November 14 - Test Drive Unlimited - Atari - Racing
* November 14 - SingStar Rocks! - Sony Computer Entertainment - Music
* November 14 - Xiaolin Showdown - Konami - Action
* November 15 - Thrillville - LucasArts - Simulation
* November 20 - College Hoops 2K7 - 2K Sports - Sports
* November 20 - Superman Returns: The Videogame - Electronic Arts - Action
* November 21 - Mercury Meltdown Remix - Ignition Entertainment - Puzzle
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2006, 07:15:05 PM
edit: when does PS3 launch in Japan?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 10, 2006, 02:00:56 AM
I thought it was entertaining
Post by: JonLeung on November 10, 2006, 03:43:02 AM
Still surprised somewhat that Rayman: Raving Rabbids is on anything other than the Wii, since the Wii version is hyped so much. That said, that's probably the best thing on the PS3 launch list, which I would prefer the Wii version of. I haven't played Guitar Hero, but I've heard lots of good things about it, so II can't be TOO bad (wait...isn't II supposed to be on the PS2?), but still, overall, the PS3 has a lackluster launch going on there.
Post by: MaryJane on November 10, 2006, 05:10:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Delta Force: Black Hawk Down - NovaLogic - Shooter
SEGA Genesis Collection - SEGA - Compilation
Guitar Hero II - RedOctane - Music
Bionicle Heroes - Eidos Interactive - Action
SOCOM U.S. Navy SEALs: Combined Assault - Sony Computer Entertainment - Shooter
WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2007 - THQ - Wrestling
History Channel's Civil War - Activision Value - Strategy
Eragon - Vivendi Games - Adventure
Test Drive Unlimited - Atari - Racing
SingStar Rocks! - Sony Computer Entertainment - Music
Thrillville - LucasArts - Simulation
College Hoops 2K7 - 2K Sports - Sports
Mercury Meltdown Remix - Ignition Entertainment - Puzzle
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
I drooled all over my keyboard, thanks Ice.
From IGN
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Rapala Tournament Fishing
World Series of Poker: Tournament of Champions
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Madden NFL 07
Need for Speed Carbon
Rampage: Total Destruction
Elebits
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Metal Slug Anthology
Super Swing Golf
Far Cry: Vengeance
Red Steel
GT Pro Series
Monster 4x4 World Circuit
After removing titles the two shared, as well as similar projects (tony hawk games, tom clancy games), and games that were spawned from T.V shows, or movies, this is what we're left with.
Honestly, there are only a few titles that save the Wii launch lineup, granted one of those is Zelda: TP, but still, the lineup kind of sucks on both fronts, tons of racers, shooters, and sports games.
If the Wii didn't have it's controller there would be no point. Good job Nintendo.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 10, 2006, 05:30:01 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 10, 2006, 05:43:57 AM
Ubi made it quite clear that they wanted to focus on the Wii version before any other with other console versions left at "TBA".
Post by: capamerica on November 10, 2006, 05:48:35 AM
Post by: capamerica on November 10, 2006, 05:58:05 AM
Launch:
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
NBA 2K7
NHL 2K7
Ridge Racer 7
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Call of Duty 3
Genji: Days of the Blade
Madden NFL 07
NBA 07
Resistance: Fall of Man
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Need for Speed: Carbon
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Tony Hawk's Project 8
After Launch:
Sonic the Hedgehog
Blazing Angels
Fight Night Round 3
Full Auto 2: Battlelines
Rainbow Six: Vegas
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 10, 2006, 06:01:50 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 10, 2006, 10:39:55 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 10, 2006, 10:59:14 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2006, 11:08:43 AM
(And Ninty's stock in Bandai shrunk when Namco and Bandai merged anyway...)
Post by: couchmonkey on November 10, 2006, 11:18:12 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 10, 2006, 11:18:20 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 10, 2006, 11:22:32 AM
I'm not expecting mountains of Banco support, but I would think that holding that stock would mean Banco at least wouldn't invariably support their competitors in most cases, like with a whopping 0 Wii launch titles.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 10, 2006, 11:35:47 AM
a) Nintendo doesn't necessarilly have enough to have a huge say
b) Projects such as the rumoured Namco RPGs may still be a year or more away from completion.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 10, 2006, 11:38:14 AM
As for RPGs, if it's more Baiten Kaitos or Tales games, then *yawn*.
Nintendo has been getting more and better games out of Square lately and they didn't even need to own any stock in the company.
Post by: Arbok on November 10, 2006, 11:49:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
As for RPGs, if it's more Baiten Kaitos or Tales games, then *yawn*.
...die.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2006, 11:54:35 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 10, 2006, 02:02:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
What else is Namco even good for besides RPGs and Soul Calibur?
They did Star Fox Assault didn't they?
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 10, 2006, 02:10:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Arbok...die.
...from boredom playing BK? Nearly did. :P
Tales wasn't so bad, but the ho-hum cliche story and characters were only forgiven by the kickass multiplayer fighting engine.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2006, 02:12:25 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
They did Star Fox Assault didn't they?
EAD would have done it better, this is plainly obvious...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 10, 2006, 02:20:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
They did Star Fox Assault didn't they?
EAD would have done it better, this is plainly obvious...
Yeah I know but SFA was a solid game, lots of flaws but still solid.
Post by: Shecky on November 10, 2006, 04:16:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Tales wasn't so bad, but the ho-hum cliche story and characters were only forgiven by the kickass multiplayer fighting engine.
My brother and I tried the "multiplayer" and thought it was a joke. Complicated to even setup b/c lord knows the ingame menus don't make it obvious and the manual sure doesn't say anything about it.
Post by: Hocotate on November 10, 2006, 06:07:20 PM
Also, lets lol at these hoarders for camping out for PS3 this soon.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 10, 2006, 06:48:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky My brother and I tried the "multiplayer" and thought it was a joke. Complicated to even setup b/c lord knows the ingame menus don't make it obvious and the manual sure doesn't say anything about it.
My friend and I played as combo-heavy characters and managed an 82 hit combo with no special moves or anything.
Also, we slaughtered all the bosses by comboing them silly. Seriously, it was over DAMN fast.
Don't play as spellcasters, though. They suck and the camera leaves them behind. Just set someone to heal and go house.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 10, 2006, 08:49:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
What else is Namco even good for besides RPGs and Soul Calibur?
Klonoa? Katamari Damacy?
Post by: capamerica on November 10, 2006, 10:01:01 PM
The first one was cute and worth picking up at $20 new, but it was not good enough to get 1 sequel let alone 2.
I don't understand why the series all of a sudden because this Huge deal when it really wasn't all that special to start with.
Namco does make some good games none the less, I'm a fan of the Tales series even thou their latest PS2 games haven't been all that great. Tekken is a decent series thou I could never really get into it since I hate the PS2 controller for fighting games, But I did love it in the arcade. Soul Calibur Rocks I can't wait to see how Soul Calibur 4 turns out on the Wii. Ridge Racer is blah, never saw the big deal with that series. And Xenosaga was okay even thou it was pretty much just a 40 hour movie.
Post by: Hocotate on November 10, 2006, 10:11:17 PM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
I can't wait to see how Soul Calibur 4 turns out on the Wii.
SC4 on Wii? Is this true? I remember hearing something about SC on Wii but I thought it was just SC3 with motion controls... this was a looong time ago, so my memory may not be 100% accurate lol.
Also, Klonoa FTW^^
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 11, 2006, 04:33:56 AM
Quote~Source: Gamefront.de
Bandai Namco spricht über zukünftige Projekte
11.11.06 - Shin Unozawa, Vice President und Representative Director von Bandai Namco, hat auf einer Pressekonferenz über die kürzlich vorgestellten Geschäftsergebnisse gesprochen. Dabei hat er auch die Anzahl von Spielen genannt, die sich für verschiedene Konsolen in Arbeit befinden:
Wii: 30 Spiele
PS3/Xbox 360: 10 Spiele
Basically, Banco has 30 games in dev for Wii, and 10 games in dev for 360/PS3...Hilarious timing...
(Could count VC games, I guess, but it doesn't look like they are counting arcade games for 360...)
Post by: JonLeung on November 11, 2006, 07:04:03 AM
QuoteUm...how about... PAC-MAN???
Originally posted by: KDR_11kQuoteKlonoa? Katamari Damacy?
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
What else is Namco even good for besides RPGs and Soul Calibur?
o_0
>_<
Oh, and also RIIIIIIDGE RACERRRRRRR!
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 11, 2006, 07:17:20 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 11, 2006, 07:40:46 AM
My main wish is that they fork over Mario Kart arcade GP 1 and 2 to Nintendo, fix it and release it on the Wii.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 11, 2006, 07:54:05 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 11, 2006, 10:26:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Um, for the same reason they haven't announced their 360/PS3 games? I think it's kind of pointless to announce a game that won't be out till next fiscal year...
Bah...just because the games won't be released till 2007 it doesn't mean that they CAN'T show off some of them as well as drop some hints, screens and information, ESPECIALLY during the Wii conferences (and just so you know, I know that the Bandai side games have been shown, but I want to see something from the Namco side).
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Nice to see they have intentions, but that number doesn't mean sh*t until those games have names and release dates...and don't suck.
I know I am playing devil's advocate here, but doesn't that same logic apply to Ubisoft?
As exciting as it is to have this kind of support, their support doesn't mean anything till they have shown the game and they don't suck.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 11, 2006, 10:48:26 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Um, for the same reason they haven't announced their 360/PS3 games? I think it's kind of pointless to announce a game that won't be out till next fiscal year...
Bah...just because the games won't be released till 2007 it doesn't mean that they CAN'T show off some of them as well as drop some hints, screens and information, ESPECIALLY during the Wii conferences (and just so you know, I know that the Bandai side games have been shown, but I want to see something from the Namco side).
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Nice to see they have intentions, but that number doesn't mean sh*t until those games have names and release dates...and don't suck.
I know I am playing devil's advocate here, but doesn't that same logic apply to Ubisoft?
As exciting as it is to have this kind of support, their support doesn't mean anything till they have shown the game and they don't suck.
Why announce them now? What surprises would they have or how would they drum up excitement for all the trade shows of 2007 if they blow their lid now?
They have GDC early next year(Jan.?), GPExpo(E3) in the early summer & TGS in the late fall/early winter. When a game is nearer to completion they have plenty of opportunities to show if off , so whats the rush?
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 11, 2006, 05:42:56 PM
Hell, any selling power the PS3 has is from games which won't be released for another two years. I can't count the number of people who say, "I need to get it for MGS4" or FF13.
Announcing games which are only a year off is not only acceptable but a sound business practice in today's gaming market.
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I know I am playing devil's advocate here, but doesn't that same logic apply to Ubisoft?
As exciting as it is to have this kind of support, their support doesn't mean anything till they have shown the game and they don't suck.
Yeah, I have to agree. These 30 games could be 20 friggin' Gundam/Digimon games for all we know. Personally, I'm hoping for Time Crisis as I love lightgun games.
As for Ubi, I can't speak about the hojillion titles they've promised upcoming, but I'll be picking up TWO of their games at launch so they're already 200% ahead of Banco in my book.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 11, 2006, 08:15:07 PM
Honestly, I'm surprised there were this many people at all...
Post by: KDR_11k on November 11, 2006, 08:43:50 PM
Has anything good come out of that franchise lately?
Sony and MS announce games which won't be released for a year or TWO with a great deal of success in attracting business to their respective consoles.
Yes but they're trying to sell a console. Perhaps Banco wants to retain the option to switch those games over to another platform or just cancel stuff in case the target platform fails. A game that noone knew about being cancelled means nothing to anybody but a game that has been announced that gets cancelled could hurt their reputation (i.e. stock price).
Personally, I'm hoping for Time Crisis as I love lightgun games.
Considering the expensive hardware needed for TC games on current consoles the Wii will probably get a port or two from that series. People are more likely to shell out the 60€ for a game if they don't need to pay another 50€ for the controller that only works with this game.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 11, 2006, 09:07:49 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Considering the expensive hardware needed for TC games on current consoles the Wii will probably get a port or two from that series. People are more likely to shell out the 60€ for a game if they don't need to pay another 50€ for the controller that only works with this game.
I'm very much hoping this will be the case.
The Wii should basically be the default platform for lightgun games because every console comes with a lightgun-like controller.
Post by: capamerica on November 13, 2006, 10:24:56 AM
Last month, retailer GameStop began accepting "limited" preorders for the PlayStation 3, asking customers to put down $100 in advance for the system, with a modest expectation of eight units per store in most cases. Now it appears the largest gaming specialty chain in North America won't be receiving even that many systems.
A GameStop representative told GameSpot today that the company received launch allocation numbers from Sony, and that it won't be able to fill its existing PS3 preorders.
"We are beginning to notify our customers that our initial shipment of PS3 systems will not be what we expected," the representative said. "As this is not an ideal situation, we are asking employees to wait to purchase systems until the second shipment. We are anticipating having systems to cover reservations before Christmas."
For launch day, preorders will be filled in the order they were received, and those who had a preorder but are denied a system on day one will receive something for their troubles. GameStop will give those unfortunate customers (as well as unfortunate employees) a free used game or DVD valued at $19.99 or less when they eventually wind up purchasing the system.
Those who reserved a system won't need to wait long to find out if they can expect a system on launch day. Starting tomorrow, customers who preordered a PS3 will be contacted personally by phone and updated on the status of their reservation, the rep said.
And while it might be a non-issue considering the clamor for consumers to get their hands on the coveted systems, GameStop is also asking anyone with a confirmed preorder to pick their systems up by Saturday evening.
Post by: Arbok on November 13, 2006, 10:39:37 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 13, 2006, 10:45:34 AM
Wii preorders won't have this problem. In fact, they'll probably have plenty more Wiis than they preordered.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 13, 2006, 10:53:24 AM
Post by: IceCold on November 13, 2006, 11:02:03 AM
Post by: capamerica on November 13, 2006, 11:10:01 AM
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Xbox360 Still Top Next-Gen Console In Japan
The next-generation console war is now firmly underway in Japan, with the launch of PlayStation3 over the weekend; and, despite Sony's console selling out across the territory, it still could not match the might of Xbox 360, which remains the number one next-gen console of choice in the country.
The full launch quota of 80,000 PlayStation3s were sold within hours of release, though it failed to top the might of Microsoft, which has sold around 160,000 Xbox 360s in Japan up to the end of September...
News of Sony's failure to surpass Microsoft in Japan comes on the same day that the Japanese language version of online technology website CNET reports that just under 200 PlayStation2 titles are currently having problems being played on PlayStation3...wonder whether Barbie's Horse Adventures is one of them??? According to the article, the titles are experience slow button response, and problems with the audio playback - such issues are apparently being dealt with by Sony on a title-by-title basis.
I wonder how many possible PS3 buyers jumped ship when they couldn't get a PS3.
Sure the numbers aren't the greatest, The PS2 was able to sell 200,000 a week. But until Sony can start making 200,000 a month the Xbox360 is going to continue to kick its butt WHICH I will bet MS will try using to get developers to bring over PS3 exclusive titles to the Xbox360.
The backwards compatibility issue is also funny, didn't they put a whole PSTwo into the PS3?
Post by: Artimus on November 13, 2006, 11:14:35 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 13, 2006, 11:16:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
The Wii should basically be the default platform for lightgun games with online co-op because every console comes with a lightgun-like controller.
Quote updated with 20% more wishful thinking.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 13, 2006, 11:27:41 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBearQuote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
The Wii should basically be the default platform for lightgun games with online co-op because every console comes with a lightgun-like controller.
Quote updated with 20% more wishful thinking.
TIME CRISIS WII ONLINE CO-OP!!!
*explodes*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 13, 2006, 12:04:50 PM
Post by: BigJim on November 13, 2006, 12:14:42 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 13, 2006, 12:16:09 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
I think it's called PS3 because that's how many they made.
Ah but what if 2 out of the 3 don't work, would that change the name?
Post by: BigJim on November 13, 2006, 12:56:41 PM
I would then insult your intelligence by explaining how difficult manufacturing 4 dimensional hardware is, but that we will increase production 200% (for a total of 6) next week. And for the price compared to the 'expensive' Wii and 360, we're practically giving this stuff away.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 13, 2006, 01:07:04 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
I'd make a minor note that a miniscule number were reported to have issues (2 is miniscule) and tell them to just keep playing it anyway... like they told PSP buyers with defective screens.
I would then insult your intelligence by explaining how difficult manufacturing 4 dimensional hardware is, but that we will increase production 200% (for a total of 6) next week. And for the price compared to the 'expensive' Wii and 360, we're practically giving this stuff away.
Ah well, if they put it that way, I could forgive them. Any system that can make a creepy baby cry has to be great even if it is defective. It all is clear now.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 13, 2006, 02:43:08 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
I think it's called PS3 because that's how many they made.
During my podcast the other night, I joked that it was called "The PS3" because there's only one of them, so when you say THE PS3, you mean the one and only.
Post by: JonLeung on November 13, 2006, 04:07:06 PM
Boy, some people are in for a nasty shock when they finally learn what we've known for six months...
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 13, 2006, 04:09:29 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 13, 2006, 05:11:11 PM
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on November 13, 2006, 06:42:20 PM
Post by: Arbok on November 13, 2006, 07:29:54 PM
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Originally posted by: BiLdItUp1
Wow. Time to start shorting Sony...there's only one reason I need this company to survive now: they own the film rights to The Hobbit, and if they go under, we're not gonna see that movie for a looooooong time...
No they don't, that's MGM, which Sony does not own, despite popular misconception; they just own stock in them (not even a commanding share either from the companies that do).
Post by: wandering on November 13, 2006, 08:11:29 PM
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Wow. Time to start shorting Sony...there's only one reason I need this company to survive now: they own the film rights to The Hobbit, and if they go under, we're not gonna see that movie for a looooooong time...
That would be okay. The perfect film version of the Hobbit has already been made.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 13, 2006, 09:49:44 PM
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on November 14, 2006, 02:24:24 AM
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Originally posted by: wanderingQuote
Wow. Time to start shorting Sony...there's only one reason I need this company to survive now: they own the film rights to The Hobbit, and if they go under, we're not gonna see that movie for a looooooong time...
That would be okay. The perfect film version of the Hobbit has already been made.
ahhhhhhhhh.................
ok you're right, let's let them go under...
Post by: JonLeung on November 14, 2006, 06:14:39 AM
That may change with updates, but it's very likely that the Wii will have the best backwards compatibility. Very similar guts as the GameCube, after all. I thought the PS3 would have the PS2's insides tacked in, but apparently not, or if they did, they didn't do a good job if 200 games don't work. I wonder if that 200 includes any of the popular PS2 games, or if that 200 is only of generic crap? I suppose it's not a big deal if it's the generic stuff that got left out, but 200 still sounds like a lot that it's still not good news for them.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 14, 2006, 06:39:44 AM
Post by: bustin98 on November 14, 2006, 06:55:18 AM
Post by: Donutt007 on November 14, 2006, 07:14:20 AM
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But Sony Computer Entertainment spokesman Satoshi Fukuoka said some of the 8,000 older games weren't working properly on PS3, making the wrong sounds or images, and some couldn't be played at all.
He declined to give a number for the games that weren't functioning, but he said the same problem is expected when the game console goes on sale in the U.S. Nov. 17. About 16,000 different games have been sold for the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 in North America.
Fukuoka said the problems in playing the older games were not a glitch and had been expected. Sony announced the problem on its Japanese Web page Nov. 11, the day when the PS3 went on sale to lines of eager fans at Japanese retailers.
If you can read the Japan section of PS' website then you can find a list of games not working. Playstation
Makes me wonder why they don't have a list that shows how many...makes me think there's 100s of them that don't work, but they are just hoping no one wants to play them anymore so they make you type in the name as opposed to showing a list.
Post by: Donutt007 on November 14, 2006, 07:18:28 AM
FOXNews
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In fact, it's possible that once the PS3 is fully operational, people may want to buy it even if they never plan to play a single game.
So it's NOT fully operational and we're paying $600 for something that won't even play games? hahahaha
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on November 14, 2006, 07:53:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Donutt007
HAHA...funny comment by FOXNews....even if they didn't mean to.
FOXNewsQuote
In fact, it's possible that once the PS3 is fully operational, people may want to buy it even if they never plan to play a single game.
So it's NOT fully operational and we're paying $600 for something that won't even play games? hahahaha
OMG THE PS3 IS A $600 DEATH STAR.
but remember -
"Don't be to proud of this technological terror you've constructed."
Post by: Kairon on November 14, 2006, 11:36:11 AM
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Originally posted by: wanderingQuote
Wow. Time to start shorting Sony...there's only one reason I need this company to survive now: they own the film rights to The Hobbit, and if they go under, we're not gonna see that movie for a looooooong time...
That would be okay. The perfect film version of the Hobbit has already been made.
Quoted For Mother Cluckin' Truth.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Donutt007 on November 14, 2006, 12:10:57 PM
Gamestop only able to fill 60% of PS3 orders....ouch.
Next Generation
And they're saying maybe only 150,000-200,000 total. Double ouch
Which would make sense 60% of 400,000 is 240,000 and gamestop was lowballing it's numbers in the first place
Post by: Arbok on November 14, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Donutt007
Gamespy
Gamestop only able to fill 60% of PS3 orders....ouch.
Next Generation
And they're saying maybe only 150,000-200,000 total. Double ouch
Which would make sense 60% of 400,000 is 240,000 and gamestop was lowballing it's numbers in the first place
Oh wow. I feel really, really bad for anyone who paid a ton of money for a pre-order slip via eBay or another means...
Post by: ThePerm on November 14, 2006, 03:56:01 PM
ps1, and ps2 compatability problem!
Post by: Ceric on November 14, 2006, 04:18:05 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 14, 2006, 04:26:59 PM
Nintendo has stated that on launch they should have between 500,000 to 700,000 units available, with a second shipment of systems available instore for Black Friday sales.
That doesn't sound like cutting their supply at all.
Post by: wandering on November 14, 2006, 07:24:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Donutt007
Gamespy
Gamestop only able to fill 60% of PS3 orders....ouch.
Next Generation
And they're saying maybe only 150,000-200,000 total. Double ouch
Which would make sense 60% of 400,000 is 240,000 and gamestop was lowballing it's numbers in the first place
And that's why I don't preorder.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2006, 09:04:18 PM
Manufacturing promblems alot worse than Sony will let on?
1st Europe launch get shafted,
the Japanese launch gets shorted,
the U.S. launch gets cut in half(?)
and now they can't even restock the shelves?
I'll bet they still aren't fully covering pre-orders.
If they keep this up everyone will just pick up a Wii and forget all about the PS3 since they couldn't pick one up even if they wanted too.
Post by: ThePerm on November 14, 2006, 09:16:39 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 14, 2006, 10:01:54 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 15, 2006, 02:43:13 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Werd on teh interwebs sez: Japanese PS3 restock shipments have been cut from 100k down to about 30k for atleast the next week.
Manufacturing promblems alot worse than Sony will let on?
1st Europe launch get shafted,
the Japanese launch gets shorted,
the U.S. launch gets cut in half(?)
and now they can't even restock the shelves?
I'll bet they still aren't fully covering pre-orders.
If they keep this up everyone will just pick up a Wii and forget all about the PS3 since they couldn't pick one up even if they wanted too.
What it means is that people will forget about PS3 and split picking up a Wii and Xbox 360. Lets not forget they are still out there. This is bad for Sony, very Bad...because basically they have GIVEN Microsoft two holiday season's against them.
Also, once people see the price of the PS3 they will turned away as well.
Post by: Hocotate on November 15, 2006, 02:49:28 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 15, 2006, 05:03:49 AM
The price of PS3 won't matter as long as it's in such short supply. People are paying $2000 for them on Ebay. Until the system is easy to get I don't think we'll really know what effect the cost has. But supply issues are still a big problem - if Sony only reaches say, 3 million by March, publishers planning their 2007 releases will have to seriously consider how many customers will be able to buy their games on PS3.
Edit: Can't spell Septebmer.
Post by: ThePerm on November 15, 2006, 07:10:18 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2006, 07:35:39 AM
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Originally reproted by: International Herald Tribune
PlayStation 3 fetching mostly ho-hum prices on Japan Net auctions
TOKYO: Sony's PlayStation 3 is fetching reasonable prices on Japanese Internet auctions, although the new video game console has commanded some outrageous bids that are mostly jokes.
There even appears to be a glut of the much-hyped machines because of schemers who bought it at the Japan launch Saturday, enduring long lines at retailers especially with hopes of selling it for huge profits.
In the U.S., bidders on eBay have pre-orders of more than US$1,000 (€779.79)for PS3 — about twice the retail price.
But some of the 4,000 PlayStation 3 consoles up for auction on Yahoo! Japan Wednesday were downright bargains. Some had game software thrown in with the machine, selling near the retail price of about 60,000 yen (US$510; €400) for the more expensive model with a 60-gigabyte hard drive, and 50,000 yen (US$420; €330) for the cheaper model.
Yahoo! Japan spokesman Nobumitsu Iwaisaki said some PlayStation 3 machines were fetching millions of yen, but could not confirm a Japanese media report about a 2.1 billion yen (US$17.8 million; €13.9 million) bid.
The exorbitant prices turned out to be jokes, and were canceled before the sale was completed, as is common for popular products, Iwaisaki said.
Hundreds of hard-core game fans had lined up at electronics stores, many from Friday night, to make sure they got one.
But some were clearly not buying it to play — including those who marched immediately to a waiting van with the machines — says Hirokazu Hamamura, president of major Japanese game magazine publisher Enterbrain Inc.
"The Net auction is so popular these days, that's inevitable," he said. "There's even talk some are taking the machines overseas."
They are actually auctioning of PS3's @ almost retail price, and some of them come with games!? I feel bad for that guy that bought 100 PS3's all for him to put up for auction (>half million dollars well spent
). You think the U.S. Scalper will have better luck? U.S. Preorders have been selling for double what they are selling actual PS3's for in Japan.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 15, 2006, 07:52:58 AM
I'm surprised! I assume it will go better in North America based on the preorder sales, but it looks like the market for gold-digging is shrinking. Selling internationally would be your best bet, but I suppose there may be some kinks in that plan.
On Wii shipment numbers:
IGN said: 1 million Wiis at launch - September 26th - but it turns out Nintendo retracted that statement later on. I never saw that retraction - figures a filthy Canadian would lie to us.
TheInquirer said: 11 million units by the end of March - BUT that's according to an analyst at a place called UBS, Nintendo is officially sticking to 6 million. I bet Nintendo could produce more if it needs to, but will it?
So where is the 500K-700K figure coming from? I can't find any official comments from Nintendo on shipment numbers.
Edit: the only numbers I know are straight from Nintendo are still: 4 million by year end (most for Americas) 6 million by fiscal year end (March).
Post by: Kairon on November 15, 2006, 07:53:32 AM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
Sony's shit the fan!
Fixed.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: capamerica on November 15, 2006, 07:55:42 AM
I feel a change in the wind....
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2006, 08:07:19 AM
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Originally posted by: EBay
...To protect the whole eBay community, sellers will not be permitted to list PlayStation 3 consoles and games on eBay.co.uk until the authorised European pre-sales period begins in February 2007...
...You may only offer one PlayStation 3 console...
..You may only offer a PlayStation 3 console that you obtained within the EU. PlayStation 3 consoles obtained outside of the EU cannot be listed on eBay.co.uk....
Looks like all of those over seas seller will be selling them to the U.S.
Post by: vudu on November 15, 2006, 08:12:58 AM
QuoteGive it time. With a launch lineup like that it's not surprising people are willing to wait.
Originally posted by: capamerica
This almost makes it seem like the PS3 is not all that popular in Japan. If the system was indeed this must have console you would think they would be selling for near double the retail price.
I feel a change in the wind....
As soon as a major exclusive comes out demand will increase.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 15, 2006, 08:36:16 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 15, 2006, 01:59:20 PM
Not likely, though...
Post by: SixthAngel on November 15, 2006, 02:46:07 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Give it time. With a launch lineup like that it's not surprising people are willing to wait.
As soon as a major exclusive comes out demand will increase.
Actually it is surprising because people are always crazy during launches and if Japan was anything like the US the ps2 was in high demand despite having nothing to offer at launch
Post by: IceCold on November 15, 2006, 03:14:19 PM
QuoteAnd this is AFTER Sony cut shipments to, what, 75,000 in Japan.?That's such a ridiculously low figure that you would think the demand would be way higher than that. They even cut the price of the lower end package in Japan..
Originally posted by: capamerica
This almost makes it seem like the PS3 is not all that popular in Japan. If the system was indeed this must have console you would think they would be selling for near double the retail price.
I feel a change in the wind....
Post by: SixthAngel on November 15, 2006, 03:42:51 PM
Post by: stevey on November 15, 2006, 03:49:19 PM
IF YOUR READING THIS, YOU WONT GET A PS3
Post by: ShyGuy on November 15, 2006, 06:23:27 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 15, 2006, 10:13:36 PM
After about 10 minutes of standing out in the freezing cold (this a 24 hr walmart too) the cops show up, who pulled some of the biggest complainers out of line (one of which left when they threatened to run his drivers licence). Well after another 20 minutes or so we found out that they would hand out tickets at 10pm, but the kicker was we had to stay outside, and two we could not leave the line for any reason (including going to the bathroom) unless we had a stand in. BTW they had 20 systems total (10 of the 60 and 10 of 20GB versions) and I was number 14 I think. But I was not prepared at all to stand out in the cold and listen to the constant whining of people ahead of me (one had a legit concern though in that he had been there since 12pm that day and was just ahead of us). So we left and now we will try Best Buy at 8am when they said they would ok a line to start forming (we will have a tent too!).
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 16, 2006, 02:40:28 AM
If a line did start to form, and I had a ticket system to give out. I would inform them about the ticket system starting at a specific time, and move them along.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 16, 2006, 03:42:30 AM
2 PS3s that weren't sold to preorderers. (more like -6 in reality)
God, this is going to be perfect for reality TV.
Post by: JonLeung on November 16, 2006, 03:54:49 AM
Maybe if the PS3 doesn't do so hot someone will make a documentary about the fall of the PlayStation brand (and maybe Sony itself) so that future students in Video Gameology 101 will actually have to study about "giant enemy crabs" and homeless Chinese people standing in line for businessmen who will fail to resell the PS3s for much more, and other things like that.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 16, 2006, 04:03:50 AM
I can't even imagine being a parent who has promised their kid a PS3 for Christmas. Or even a gamer trying to find one. It is going to be hell to find a PS3, probably for the first 5-6 months of launch.
This generation of gaming is already Microsoft's in America. PERIOD. Now, Nintendo has a chance to get second here and take Japan by storm.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 16, 2006, 04:40:39 AM
I asked about the Wii at a local Walmart, and it seems like there's not much hype for it. The guy told me he wasn't expecting a line for the Wii at all. I hope he's right. Nintendo related hype has always been low in this town for some reason.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 16, 2006, 05:32:03 AM
I am hoping to get a PS3 for Ebaying...but if people are lining up like this in my city (haven't checked) then forget it.
Post by: Ages on November 16, 2006, 05:34:42 AM
Rule #1 of reality TV: Most everything on the show is both amusing and embarassing
Post by: Jin-X on November 16, 2006, 07:18:52 AM
Sony woes continue here
Edit: 1up sucks, better explanation from IGN:
"As it turns out, gamers who own older HD sets that feature only 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolution input capabilities will have to settle for the display quality being downsized as the game boots in its 480p mode rather than upscaling the image from its more desirable 720p mode to the TV's 1080i. We tested this development on older HDTV sets with games designed for 720p but not 1080i -- Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. Sure enough, the system downshifted all four titles to 480p rather than moving up to 1080i.
The PlayStation 3's competitor, Microsoft's Xbox 360, does upscale 720p games to 1080i if the HD set supports the latter resolution but not the in-between and commonly-employed 720p resolution."
link
Post by: Donutt007 on November 16, 2006, 07:42:54 AM
I talked to an EB in oakland and they said they are only getting 6 PS3s, which is less that the amount the preordered. They forced all the employees to cancel their orders company wide. He also said they are only getting enough Wii wo cover the preorders...but hey at least they met the demand for Wii.
Post by: JonLeung on November 16, 2006, 07:55:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
This generation of gaming is already Microsoft's in America. PERIOD. Now, Nintendo has a chance to get second here and take Japan by storm.
Maybe this year. But unless Microsoft ends their next(-soon-to-be-current)-gen system early again for the Xbox 720 or whatever, I think Nintendo has a chance to be catch up or even be first before the end. If it is second, it will be a close second. All those non-gamers, you know. Yeah. THOSE people. They'll want a Wii before an Xbox 360 or PS3.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2006, 08:17:34 AM
1st: Several campers and a news reporter were shot with BB's while camping out infront of a Circuit City in Kentuky. the link
2nd: two Campers robbed at gunpoint behind a Target
the story
the video
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 16, 2006, 08:42:23 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeungQuote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
This generation of gaming is already Microsoft's in America. PERIOD. Now, Nintendo has a chance to get second here and take Japan by storm.
Maybe this year. But unless Microsoft ends their next(-soon-to-be-current)-gen system early again for the Xbox 720 or whatever, I think Nintendo has a chance to be catch up or even be first before the end. If it is second, it will be a close second. All those non-gamers, you know. Yeah. THOSE people. They'll want a Wii before an Xbox 360 or PS3.
I believe the Xbox 360 will have a lifespan of about 4-5 years again. I think that the Wii's lifespan will be around 3-4 years. With those years being much, much stronger than Gamecube's life. I think Nintendo will support Wii until other systems come out, but I expect to see dramatic drops in Wii sales mid 3rd year to early 4th year of the system's life.
I don't think Wii will catch up with Xbox 360 among the US gaming fan market. However, I think it will own Japan. Europe I don't have any predictions for.
As for Sony PS3, I think it will do good, and later in its lifespan it will actually do GREAT. Once Sony can get its price down I think the system will take off, and as such the system will have a strong life of 5-6 years perhaps even 6-7 years. By that time though Microsoft will be prepping its new system again, and Nintendo will be readying its next system as well.
I predict Nintendo to aggressively seek to launch the Wii's successor the same year as Microsoft's Xbox 360 successor.
Post by: Arbok on November 16, 2006, 11:03:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Donutt007
Well I work at the Metreon and there's a nice big line here, they are estimating around 1000. And the store says it has enough PS3s to cover that many, but not much more. Although they didn't say which versions.
Didn't know you lived in CA... but yeah, there were reports on the radio about how fourth street was closed for the free concert that was to follow and how there were about 800 or so people in line as of this morning. The first person, who was briefly interviewed, had been there for two days. According to the person who was doing the report, it sounds like they expect to sell about 700-800 PS3s there (i.e. how many the Playstation store has), although I'm just relating what they said.
Personally, I would hate to be out there right now in the rain though... although I haven't been by it to see if they have offered any kind of shelter for the event.
Post by: vudu on November 16, 2006, 11:37:43 AM
Post by: Donutt007 on November 16, 2006, 11:52:04 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
How the heck is a single store getting 1,000 systems when most other stores are getting in the single digits (or in the low double digits)? How big is this place?
This "single store" is THE Playstation store....so yeah, they get a bunch.
And Arbok, there's no shelters set up for them but a lot of people brought there own stuff. And they are being nice enough to hand out bathroom passes. But it has been drizziling on and off all day, so yeah that sucks for them.
I was just in the back hallways of the building and saw them pushing around 3 big loads of PS3s on carts. But seeing how each load was about 30 or so systems, I'm assuming there's more...maybe I should go to the loading dock and see if's theres any security down there...heehee
Post by: BigJim on November 16, 2006, 02:58:35 PM
SCEA VP on Backwards Compatibility: "I Would Like My Car To Fly and Make Me Breakfast"
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 16, 2006, 03:09:26 PM
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If you look at our competitors, one machine has zero backwards compatibility and one only has it with a third of their games.
...what?
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 16, 2006, 03:17:22 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2006, 04:29:33 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 16, 2006, 05:08:25 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I think its pretty obvious that Sony relies on the relative stupidity.
Fixed.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2006, 05:55:48 PM
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The two armed hooded gunmen walked into the GameStop store at 7717 Laguna Blvd. around 10:20 a.m. Thursday and demanded employees turn over the gaming systems, according to Elk Grove Police spokesman Chris Trim. Trim said the robbers took four of the consoles and four XBox 360 systems before making their escape.
I think things are slowly escalating, next someone is gonna get shot after walking out of the store with one of those PS3's. I hope a PS3 is as bullet proof as an Xbox, it could save a gamers life...
Post by: ThePerm on November 16, 2006, 06:11:01 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2006, 06:28:06 PM
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Deputies were called to the store when the crowd of 75 to 100 PlayStation seekers started getting unruly Wednesday night around 10:30 p.m. --- a full day and a half before the game machine goes on sale.
Wal-Mart officials say deputies decided to shut the store down for the evening and disperse the crowd after some of the waiting customers started running around inside the store.
People really need to get a life, if you are just buying this thing to play, then it really shouldn't be all that serious. There aren't really all that many good games out for the system yet anyway. Besides you might be better off waiting for the after christmas batch, when they aren't just shoving anything that looks like a working PS3 into a box to be shipped to a retailer nearest you.
The funny part of this news article is that some people outside of a Circuit City got ticketed $400 for camping("loitering") outside of the store.
Post by: Kairon on November 16, 2006, 07:35:50 PM
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Ceric on November 17, 2006, 01:03:18 AM
lol. On news.google.com they have an article up that says, "Indepth review of the PS3" and the picture besides it is as cute japaneses girl looking excitely at the Wii.
Post by: odilon on November 17, 2006, 01:57:52 AM
20 GB - $11,005,175.25
60 GB - $11,047,554.90
Total - $ 22,052,730.15
...Sony lost over $22 million dollars on one night.
Post by: Ceric on November 17, 2006, 01:59:19 AM
Post by: wandering on November 17, 2006, 03:37:47 AM
What. The. Hell. The only reason I'm still considering waiting in line for the Wii is that I know I'll be inside, with lots of lights and cameras.
edit: oh, looks like I'm late.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 17, 2006, 03:58:09 AM
BTW they had 28 but we heard they may be getting a morning shipment with 4 more since 32 were ordered, guess that was false. To make matters worse the best buy manager was a butthead, he wouldn't even let the people in line go into the store to either buy sometime or use the bathroom (we had to go to a burger king about a half a mile away)
Post by: vudu on November 17, 2006, 05:10:40 AM
QuoteFor some reason I just imagined setting up a tent over a manhole and having people sneak into the sewers a half mile away an hour before the store opens and then coming up and out of the tent and pretending they were there the whole time. That would be pretty funny.
this one tent had close to 20 people in it
QuoteThat's really really crappy. Did the manager of the store know about this? If so, he shouldn't have let them get away with that. I've heard reports that you could leave the line for like a half hour but not six flipping hours. Most places I heard about wouldn't let you leave the line unless you had a stand-in.
in fact they set out chairs and left for up to 6 hrs and still got their spots back even when some were toughing it out in the cold. Anytime they were questioned they would play the numbers game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 17, 2006, 06:05:49 AM
When the managers were told about the tent people driving in 6 hrs later and jumping to the head of the line to be with their family (kids were given money too for PS3s) they basically told us tough, and caused one of the campers made an unofficial list of placement and names (which was accepted as official when it was all said and done) but it was after the harm was already done by the tent people. When the "tent people" (sounds like a great horror movie) were confronted originally they refused to do a list and basically used the numbers game to force those of us not in the group to back down. They did finally agree, but that was after they had their blatant attempt to cheat was already done. Management was rude and did not seem to care one bit what was happening (like I said they told us all we could not even use their rest room or go in the store at all even if we bought something). So yeah, I just hope things are different for Wii!
Post by: JonLeung on November 17, 2006, 06:25:53 AM
Why is it that with that interview with the Sony rep he says that they won't ever give out official launch sales numbers? What, they've lost confidence now?
Though even if the PS3 was the greatest thing in the world (yeah, right... >_> ) first-day sales would be hampered by the high price, most people would wait anyway.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 17, 2006, 06:28:57 AM
I'd introduce my kid to the concept of not being able to keep promises. I'd have told him I couldn't fulfill that promise the moment they announced the price. Because that's what my parents would have done.
As for Sony PS3, I think it will do good, and later in its lifespan it will actually do GREAT. Once Sony can get its price down I think the system will take off, and as such the system will have a strong life of 5-6 years perhaps even 6-7 years. By that time though Microsoft will be prepping its new system again, and Nintendo will be readying its next system as well.
I disagree, Sony's current offer is not good enough to get a good start with securing parts of the market and as we know the games market is a self-reinforcing circle. By failing to gain the upper hand early on Sony will suffer from reduced game support compared to its competitor and they'll either have to drop prices prematurely or they'll be left behind by MS. Sony has to outperform MS by a good margin in order to undo MS's lead. They also have the image of being draconian and arrogant towards developers making those wary of Sony since Sony could interfere with their plans on a whim. MS is more predictable and all in all a better bet. Sure, Sony has the Playstation name but that alone won't carry the system, the games people associate with Playstation do. Look at the PSP, I think that's the fate the PS3 is going for. Developers are switching away from Sony, possibly because they don't want to be abused by them again. Sony's big name games could end up on the 360 along with a good number of exclusives. Really, the only big name series they still have left are MGS and FF. Nintendo alone has more than that.
For some reason I just imagined setting up a tent over a manhole and having people sneak into the sewers a half mile away an hour before the store opens and then coming up and out of the tent and pretending they were there the whole time. That would be pretty funny.
I don't know about the US but here in Germany the "manholes" are just sinks with a bucket (to catch leaves and such) in them and a 10cm pipe as a drain. I know because I had a job where I did a week or two of emptying those buckets.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2006, 06:36:54 AM
Developer Survey: Wii or PS3?
The reall don't like PS3 from a consumer or gamer perspective.
Not to mention Time Magazine and CNN Money have both called PS3 a waste of time and money.
see what I did there?
Post by: ThePerm on November 17, 2006, 06:39:35 AM
watch ninja turtles!
Post by: vudu on November 17, 2006, 06:42:40 AM
QuoteThat's not how it is in the United States. Check out TMNT for a look at how the sewers are here.
I don't know about the US but here in Germany the "manholes" are just sinks with a bucket (to catch leaves and such) in them and a 10cm pipe as a drain. I know because I had a job where I did a week or two of emptying those buckets.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 17, 2006, 07:28:33 AM
What about Wii? I think Wii's success or failure will have little to do with Sony and Microsoft. They're focused on each other now, and even if they weren't, there's just no practical way to market PS3 vs. Wii. If Wii becomes a big success, the best the others can do is beat each other. If Wii's a big failure, it will be because Nintendo failed to create the games and the third party support Wii needed. Excepting backroom shenanigans involving moneyhats and corporate espionage, there's not a lot Microsoft and Sony can do about Wii if the concept catches peoples' attention.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 17, 2006, 07:44:35 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: KDR_11k I'd introduce my kid to the concept of not being able to keep promises. I'd have told him I couldn't fulfill that promise the moment they announced the price. Because that's what my parents would have done.
Quoted for great justice.
I'm almost positive that 90% of the people in line are either ebayers or hardcore gaming nuts, with a scant few parents here and there who just can't say no to their kids, kids who would be vastly more inclined to want a Wii anyway if they just got the chance to try it.
Post by: Sessha on November 17, 2006, 08:53:32 AM
Post by: EasyCure on November 18, 2006, 04:12:18 AM
in fact here is my favorite part of it in case you're interested.
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Sony would love nothing more than to see you and your family suffer. Sony is like that psycho-ex who you had a few good times with, but was too clingy and the sex got boring. Now it's over and Sony is still stewing about it by leaving you voice mail asking for another chance and promising it "can change."
Tough sh*t Sony. We've moved on. We're dating your younger, hotter sister, Wii. Even your fuglier step-sister, Xbox 360, looks hotter than you do. At least she's been around the block a few times and knows how to turn tricks. You've got nothing, and it's going to stay that way until you stop being a crabby old c*nt.
check it out here
Post by: KDR_11k on November 18, 2006, 04:17:57 AM
Also I think we had a thread about that already.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 18, 2006, 06:50:59 AM
QuoteWe do, its currently at the bottom of the 1st page
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
It's Maddox. He doesn't run a blog, he runs a reference for ABSOLUTE TRUTH!
Also I think we had a thread about that already.
Maddox
Post by: Kairon on November 18, 2006, 09:53:42 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: SixthAngel on November 18, 2006, 04:31:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
If Maddox represents the ultimate truth, what does Bill O'Reilly bvring when he hates on the PS3?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
I was worried that Bill O'Reilly actually did something right but thankfully he can't even hate on the ps3 correctly when it is so easy.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 18, 2006, 06:09:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
If Maddox represents the ultimate truth, what does Bill O'Reilly bvring when he hates on the PS3?
Even a blind chicken finds a corn once in a while.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 19, 2006, 01:51:57 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on November 19, 2006, 08:48:04 PM
Yes, those are pretty much what I'm talking about except "sewers" means a 10-30 cm pipe 'round here.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 20, 2006, 03:42:37 AM
The Real PS3 Grill
It looks functional, but I wouldn't use it. It would be kinda funny to have one sitting on our kichen counter though, especially when friends come over.
Too bad you can't turn it on from the Sixaxis or control the temperature from the controller either.
Post by: Ceric on November 20, 2006, 05:40:09 PM
Post by: JonLeung on November 21, 2006, 04:17:29 AM
Just because Sony managed to get (some of) their product out the door doesn't mean it's the end of their woes. It may actually just be the beginning.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 21, 2006, 04:27:36 AM
Surprisingly, I've heard nothing about bricked PS3s. In fact, I have heard that the initial system updates bricked a few Wiis. Sony's the new Nintendo, has the world gone mad?
No, not really. I'm sure stories of PS3 problems will come up but it may take a while for things to start breaking on a large scale.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 21, 2006, 04:41:52 AM
With Sony, I'd be more concerned about moving parts failing. That's traditionally been their weakness from my perspective.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 21, 2006, 04:59:45 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2006, 05:53:20 AM
as far as unsatisfied "customers" CNN, Time & NYTimes all seem to think it was over hyped and under delivered for the price as a game machine. I haven't seen the NYT article but I hear it had some harsh things to say.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 21, 2006, 05:58:29 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
as far as unsatisfied "customers" CNN, Time & NYTimes all seem to think it was over hyped and under delivered for the price as a game machine. I haven't seen the NYT article but I hear it had some harsh things to say.
Weren't these the same people that dissed the Wii a while back? If they did, of course they will think the system was over hyped.
Although, I am worried about this. I mean, we all agreed that the Wii needed maximum exposure in the media in order for it to succeed. If these media outlets say that the Wii is not worth it, won't it hurt overall sales?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2006, 06:03:53 AM
QuoteTo clarify, that unsatisfied customer thing was in reference to the PS3 not the Wii.
Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
as far as unsatisfied "customers" CNN, Time & NYTimes all seem to think it was over hyped and under delivered for the price as a game machine. I haven't seen the NYT article but I hear it had some harsh things to say.
Weren't these the same people that dissed the Wii a while back? If they did, of course they will think the system was over hyped.
Although, I am worried about this. I mean, we all agreed that the Wii needed maximum exposure in the media in order for it to succeed. If these media outlets say that the Wii is not worth it, won't it hurt overall sales?
There is NO, and i repeat NO media hate from any of those sources regarding the Wii*, as far as I've seen or heard.
*excluding a small but forgivable dislike of the graphical capabilities.(all forgotten about after picking up the controller and actually having fun playing the games)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 21, 2006, 06:10:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1QuoteTo clarify, that unsatisfied customer thing was in reference to the PS3 not the Wii.
Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
as far as unsatisfied "customers" CNN, Time & NYTimes all seem to think it was over hyped and under delivered for the price as a game machine. I haven't seen the NYT article but I hear it had some harsh things to say.
Weren't these the same people that dissed the Wii a while back? If they did, of course they will think the system was over hyped.
Although, I am worried about this. I mean, we all agreed that the Wii needed maximum exposure in the media in order for it to succeed. If these media outlets say that the Wii is not worth it, won't it hurt overall sales?
There is NO, and i repeat NO media hate from any of those sources regarding the Wii*, as far as I've seen or heard.
*excluding a small but forgivable dislike of the graphical capabilities.(all forgotten about after picking up the controller and actually having fun playing the games)
OH! My bad then, I got confused with all the Wii talk and all. Boy is my face red...
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Post by: MaryJane on November 23, 2006, 10:59:15 AM
OH YEAH!!!
In the same review they said that some of the people who have PS3's (all 250,00 losers/winners, depending on who's eyes you look through, because you can't see california without Marlon Brando's eyes) have complained about first day system burnouts!!! FIRST DAY??? I believe the first batch of X360's lasted 3 days, 2 in some cases, but 1 day, 1 F'N day??? After paying $500, or more for a system then have it not work after the first day is pretty big BS in my eyes. Yeah that was just to point it out to whomever it was who asked about PS3 problems.
Oh (as Jackie Chan's father? uncle? mentor? in the cartoon would say) one more thing!! (actually 2) Did you know that the PS3 hardrive can be swapped out for any internal drive you can buy in a store? I gotta say that's an awesome feature, but as the review pointed out, that basically alienates all the (this time for sure) losers who got a 20 gig version by not giving them Wi-Fi something that both the DS and PSP have built in, strange they build something into every portable system they sell, and only into some consoles... very strange tactic. The other thing is that the IGN peeps say they can't get their Bluetooth devices to work with the system and that they're hoping it's fixable with a firmware update. Tsk Tsk Tsk Tsk!!!
OH CRAP ONE MORE THING!!! The PS3 scales down!!! IT SCALES DOWN!! WTF!! If you're T.V doesn't support 720p but it supports 1080i, (there are surprisingly a good number of such sets) instead of upscaling it's 720p game to 1080i it f'n DOWNscales it to 480p!! I guess copying the controller wasn't enough they had to copy the Wii's desired reslotion!! LoL That's all for now
Damn I use a lot of parenthesis. (whats up with that??) Wii FTW!!!!!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 23, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
Congrats!
Post by: MaryJane on November 23, 2006, 01:31:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Hey, you're one of us now!
Congrats!
Nani?
Post by: couchmonkey on November 24, 2006, 02:30:57 AM
I think the launch is more like a 4/10. It has the hype, it has one very good game, but with a small game lineup and terrible supply - less than any other launch I can recall - it's below average. Overall though, the article was pretty unbiased, coming from the Sony channel.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 26, 2006, 07:45:23 AM
Apparently some hackers have managed to install Linux on the PS3 HDD(most likely a 200+GB HDD they installed themselves) enabling them to access the Blu-Ray drive and dump Madden '07(7.08GB) to a PC HDD.
What does this mean? Nothing yet, cause I'm not sure if they can play the game oss of the HDD w/o the disc, but it could mean:
Free games for gamers, and Developers don't have to worry about lagging game sales only being temporary due to lack of systems to play them on!!
I wonder if another firmware update will fix this problem?
Post by: Arbok on November 26, 2006, 12:24:33 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
...enabling them to access the Blu-Ray drive and dump Madden '07(7.08GB) to a PC HDD.
Anyone else not surprised that the game could have fit on a dual layer DVD?
Post by: darknight06 on November 26, 2006, 01:25:23 PM
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Post by: MaryJane on November 28, 2006, 10:37:29 AM
Enjoy:
O.K so the XPlay thing: For the Wii they reviewed the following games and their scores; Madden 07 4/5 (X360, and PS3 version got 3/5), Red Steel 3/5, Rayman Raving Rabbids 4/5, Excite Truck 4/5, (and none of you should be surprised) The Legend of Zelda, Twilight Princess received a perfect 5/5.
For the PS3: Madden 07 (I already told you) 3/5, Genji: Days of the Blade 2/5 (one if it's pros was it good graphics furthering proving that's not what makes a game good), Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom 2/5, Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire 1 (a FUKING 1)/5 , and Resistance: Fall of Man 5/5. I must say the game looked pretty solid in the review.
To sum it up, every non-multi platform game for the PS3 sucks except 1. And only one game for the Wii was less than exceptional. I know they didn't review all the games, but I think they pick the ones they like or thought they would. I used to think they were pretty biased, but if they were they wouldv'e picked games that showed the PS3 in a better light no?
Link to Reviews
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Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2006, 01:24:15 AM
I heard an HVD can hold 26.5 years of uninterrupted stereo audio. Considering I'm just slightly over 26.5 years old, I'm impressed. That's too much space it's almost ludicrous; even if Square-Enix could make a 200-hour game made almost entirely of FMV sequences, would they want to?
Post by: couchmonkey on November 29, 2006, 03:57:42 AM
2. Don't give Square Enix any ideas!
3. Seems like there's nothing new under the sun in terms of bad Sony news. It's all just shortages, shortages, shortages - which is bad enough, I suppose!
Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2006, 04:40:19 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 29, 2006, 04:48:26 AM
those shortages, shortages, shortages are not selling any games, and when 3rd parties don't make money off of games, we all know what happens next(see GC)
Games aren't being sold in Japan and I think all 5 PS3 games that made the Top 50 last week were mostly in the bottom 30, and lack of PS3's are pushing Japanese gamers to just buy a 360 instead.
Post by: MysticGohan on November 29, 2006, 06:46:18 AM
Post by: wandering on November 29, 2006, 07:09:12 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I can't even imagine being a parent who has promised their kid a PS3 for Christmas.
I'd introduce my kid to the concept of not being able to keep promises. I'd have told him I couldn't fulfill that promise the moment they announced the price. Because that's what my parents would have done.
Perhaps it would be better to just not give promises when you aren't sure if you can keep them.
Post by: darknight06 on November 29, 2006, 07:23:04 AM
On topic, a friend of mine who works at one of the local Gamestops have their PS3 turned off until further notice because the thing actually caught on fire from being on too long. From what I've heard, the cause seems to be a chip that was installed incorrectly in some of the launch units.
Post by: Athrun Zala on November 29, 2006, 08:38:05 AM
EDIT: typo fixed...
Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2006, 10:01:51 AM
How common is it, though? If common enough, soon someone's home will burn down and it'll be Sony's fault. If it wasn't tragic, it'd almost be funny. 0_0
Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2006, 01:20:06 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 29, 2006, 06:00:09 PM
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Speaking in an exclusive interview, Moledina said, "It's a relatively complex platform to develop for, considering it has a very unique multi-core processor with the Cell. A lot of developers are new to figuring out how to work with that structure, as well as the RSX, the graphics processor.
"A lot of the developers I know are waiting out on the first round and focusing on handhelds; they're creating DS and PSP titles because that's actually a much simpler migration from the current-gen," he continued.
"It's always a challenge for developers to dedicate resources to next-generation titles like this - consider the cost, resources, and time it takes to make these games."
I believe the above is a polite way of saying that, " Sony messed up and can't produce enough systems to make releasing a games for the system profitable, we are all gonna wait till supply has caught up with demand before we put HUGE financial & resource commitment into developing a PS3 game."
But what if a cycle starts? What if people hold off on buying the PS3 cause the price is too high and there aren't any games they want to play, but the developers see that no one is buying PS3's and/or PS3 games and decide to hold off until more sales are made? Would PS3 become the new GC?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 29, 2006, 06:03:25 PM
Post by: IceCold on November 29, 2006, 07:00:41 PM
Quote*cough*Alt account*cough*
Originally posted by: MysticGohan
Go BnM! We luv teh Wii
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 29, 2006, 07:25:04 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 29, 2006, 07:25:04 PM
QuoteAlt account for who? Would a mod please put this *rumor* to rest, check some IP addresses or whatever it is you have to do.
Originally posted by: IceColdQuote*cough*Alt account*cough*
Originally posted by: MysticGohan
Go BnM! We luv teh Wii
Anyway, EA has some good news for Sony fans...
Reuters.com
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Probst said demand for Sony's much-anticipated PlayStation 3 (PS3), which made its U.S. debut on November 17 for the critical holiday season, was strong but a shortage of supply meant that only about 200,000 units of the game console were sold at retail outlets.
Sony had originally aimed to ship 400,000 PS3 units for its U.S. launch, and has not given actual figures.
Probst said that EA had set a lower bar for initial shipments, but "where they ended up was a bit of a surprise."
By the end of 2006, he expects Sony to ship 500,000 to 800,000 units.
"We think they'll get into that range," said Probst, who noted that console sales and corresponding game sales were typically slow to begin with because of supply constraints, and a clear winner will not be known for as long as five years.
Oh, did I say good news? My bad, I meant EA confirms that Sony is F#cking up hard core. 500k -800k by the end of the year? Only 200k at launch?
What happend to 400k @ launch and 1 million by end of the year? Now you're down to maybe half of what you were supposed to have by the end of the year? They really should have just delayed the launch to March of 2007 and had an actual launch, where gamers can get system to play the games that their not buying on. What a disaster Sony. If they can make 800k b4 January, then they might not be that bad, but since they halved their launch, I'm gonna assume production is so bad that they are gonna halve their year-end totals too.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 30, 2006, 01:34:43 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2006, 01:37:42 AM
Problem is many rating systems have only 2-3 ratings for good games and the rest is various shades of suck. We'd rather know how good a game is than how bad.
Perhaps it would be better to just not give promises when you aren't sure if you can keep them.
Of course but people tend to make promises with incomplete information which is why they shouldn't be held to the same standard as contracts, especially when that "promise" was just saying the word "okay" when the kid was nagging you like mad.
How common is it, though? If common enough, soon someone's home will burn down and it'll be Sony's fault. If it wasn't tragic, it'd almost be funny. 0_0
Hey, Microsoft already burned a house down and I don't see people grilling them for that.
Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2006, 02:56:02 AM
Only 200,000... Well I'm not to surprised but it is awfully low even with them cutting back twice. I see the PS3 having a short lifespan before a successor comes out. Even though it won't be that much better hardware wise it will be easier to produce.
Post by: Hocotate on November 30, 2006, 04:32:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I see the PS3 having a short lifespan before a successor comes out. Even though it won't be that much better hardware wise it will be easier to produce.
...And come with a remote controller. :p
Post by: Arbok on November 30, 2006, 04:38:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Hocotate
...And come with a remote controller. :p
That's what really scares me, though, considering how fast Sony was able to adapt a joystick and rumble into their PS1 controllers... I wouldn't even be incredibly surprised if Sony just axed the regular controller, screwed the early adopters, and slapped a remote into the PS3 package in place of a controller. Sony has all of their eggs in this basket too, if this fails they are in real trouble so I wouldn't be surprised to see the course of action that they might take.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2006, 05:33:54 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 30, 2006, 05:42:04 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Five star rating systems are great, IMO. More than a 10 point rating system is splitting hairs.
Problem is many rating systems have only 2-3 ratings for good games and the rest is various shades of suck. We'd rather know how good a game is than how bad.
Yeah, I'll give you that. I'm mostly reacting the 100 point scales that have become popular thanks to the likes of IGN - it's so fine that basically everything after the decimal point is pure opinion. 20 point scales like PGC uses are still kind of excessive, but they're reasonable. I like five point scales because they force the reader to take a look at the review and make a decision based on the facts rather than numbers. 10 points might actually be the best, I admit.
Now let's talk about Sony copying Nintendo. The thing is, Wii is more than just a controller. If Sony were to copy it, that would certainly be a blow to hardcore support, but Wii is about the entire user experience. The interface, the controller, the software, the price, the virtual console, and even the "cumbersome" friends codes are all geared towards creating a specific experience. Hardcore gamers might hop on PS3 if it properly copied the Wii controller, but look at it through the eyes of the new gamer:
- $500-$600 vs. $250
- "Virtual console": complex 3D games vs. simple 2D games (that are nostalgiac for lapsed gamers)
- Gran Turismo and SOCOM vs. Brain Age and Wii Sports
Edit: KDR, you took the word right out of my mouth. I don't think Sony realizes what the Wii remote represents yet, and I don't know if Sony has the guts to ditch its very generic, proven design for something so radical. It'll be interesting to see if Sony (or Microsoft) catches on soon enough.
Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2006, 06:30:45 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I think they consider the tilt in the sixaxis good enough. Also consider that the sixaxis apparently has problems with the wireless connection sometimes while none of Nintendo's or Microsoft's controllers exhibit that problem. Motion sensing is even harder to implement and if they really tried to make a remote they'd probably produce something horribly flawed. Never mind that it'll probably have 20 buttons labelled with colorful polygons that any person will stare at in confusion.
Fixed...
I think Microsoft will stay where they are. From all accounts most people enjoy the 360 controller and I think a redesign wouldn't benefit Microsoft. There focus are games and gamers who like the more traditional controls and like. Plus beginning a multimedia hub in your living room. Which I have to admit if the 360 can link up with the Zune Marketplace and I can use a $14.95 Zune Pass to watch all my Saturday morning cartoons and other series when I want to in HD no less (Which makes me sad about Sci-Fi. All the shows are produced in HD but the channel is SD.) and have them queued up the day before or as a reoccurring thing so they be there ready to go in the morning I go buy an 360 at that point. Then you turned around and told me I could take them on the go and watch them while on trips and like. I might get a Zune then. Then after gettinga 360 I get Gear of War because I want to play that game.
Sony doesn't have anything like that on the Horizon that I'm interested in. Plus I hate the Shape thing with a passion I just can't remember them.
Post by: vudu on November 30, 2006, 06:31:08 AM
QuoteLink.
Speaking to Bloomberg, [Namco Bandi] said they need to sell more than 500,000 copies [each of Ridge Racer 7 and Gundam] worldwide to come out ahead.... And that's not just the case with launch games, either. Namco Bandai President Takeo Takasu says that will be the case for every PlayStation 3 game they release.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 30, 2006, 06:40:10 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2006, 06:40:19 AM
You know, I wonder what the developers take on games is.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 30, 2006, 06:42:57 AM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 30, 2006, 06:38:54 PM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
most games in general I think cap out at around 500K if even that, so to have to get to that number just to make a buck isn't good news.
What sux even more is that they only have about 500k console out on the open market WW and that means all current games have to sell 1:1 with every console and I don't think any individual game has even broken 100k yet. I hope Sony provided all launch game providers with a sweet incentive deal to lessen the blow to the pocket otherwise I would be really really pissed that couldn't reach the production #'s that they promised over and over again right up until launch.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2006, 08:10:06 PM
Same as cancelling and restarting since you have to redo everything you made anyway. Including the fundamental game design if you want to make meaningful use of the remote (and while games will benefit from using it it still requires that the game design is built with the remote in mind instead of later deciding "hey, let's add Wii functionality to our finished game").
Blackn~1: I think that may be the reason they have no good third party games at launch, those third parties know they will have trouble making their money back.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 01, 2006, 03:54:29 AM
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Ken Kutaragi, who was in that role, will step aside and become chairman and group CEO of SCEI. What does this mean for him? A SCE spokeswoman said he will now, "focus on overseeing the entire operation rather than day-to-day business."
"Overseeing the entire operation"? Translation: "He's done enough damage to Playstation."
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 01, 2006, 03:58:43 AM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2006, 05:52:52 AM
QuoteBut this is where the viscious cycle starts. I know NO 3rd party expects a 1:1 attach rate, I also know the only realistic expectation is maybe a 1:4 attach rate at or near launch and this # always gets smaller as you grow your install base, but that smaller # could actually mean alot more sales. Going by this 1:4 attach rate, that would mean that Sony would need about 2 million consoles in the open market just for them to hope to make a 1:4 attach rate, but how long until Sony has 2million sold? I mean they are only producing anout 30k a week in Japan and about 50-80k(?) a week in the U.S.? February or maybe March? Should the 3rd parties wait until European launch to release their games so that the install base is there to buy the games? Will Europe still get a launch in March if production stays this low?
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Blackn~1: I think that may be the reason they have no good third party games at launch, those third parties know they will have trouble making their money back.
Post by: Ceric on December 01, 2006, 06:21:01 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2006, 06:41:04 AM
Not only did Sony lie about launch quantities up until launch, they are still lying about them now too.
They are still touting 1 million consoles in the U.S. b4 end of 2006, but can they really produce 150k* a week for all of Dec.?
*number subject to change depending of if EA's #'s were right and what NPD Nov. #'s reflect the week after next.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on December 01, 2006, 06:52:32 AM
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11932
Post by: couchmonkey on December 01, 2006, 08:05:45 AM
It is one less game for the already small lineup, though.
Post by: capamerica on December 01, 2006, 08:55:24 AM
AS for GT:HD all Sony is doing now is just throwing the DEMO they showed off at E3 and TGS up on their download services. The game only has 1 track and 10 cars, plus you can't even play online with it. They might as well have just canned it all together, all its going to be is a reminder to Sony fans of one more broken promise.
Post by: stevey on December 01, 2006, 03:24:54 PM
Great! Whole idea of "micro-transaction" in games is flawed.
Post by: Kairon on December 01, 2006, 06:55:40 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 02, 2006, 07:29:27 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
Thats all a load of crap. Why the hell would peopel want to download PSX games when PS3 is supposed to be backwards compatible wtih them anyways. Sony did you hang out with Sega too long and let their idiocity rub off on you?
Well to give Sony the benefit of the doubt, I've heard the backwards compatibility sucks with PS3, so maybe that is why
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2006, 07:36:34 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 02, 2006, 07:42:32 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
But I thought Cell was ALL POWERFUL, it should be able to emulate a measly PS1. Besides, I thought they put a 'PS2 on a chip' inside the PS3? Shouldn't it handle everything PS perfectly?
Well we all know the Cell is one hot piece of hardware. Maybe its radiant (heat) simmers that PS2 chip right out of functioning.
Post by: segagamer12 on December 02, 2006, 07:45:48 PM
Anyone else rememebr those Dreamcast commercials that ended with "its thinking" being wispered. For some reason thats what PS3 commercials remind me of.
DC ads scuked cuz you didn't havea clue waht was being advertised. Same with PS3, you watch one commercial and they end it witht he words Sixaxis another Cell Processor. Where the game footage? wheres the ads saying whats its features are? does anybody who watches those ads even know it plays Blu ray.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 03, 2006, 09:22:31 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Yes but people waiting for a PS3 aren't people buying a Wii or 360.
Not sure about that, if ebay is any indication demand just isn't there anymore. Yeah they are selling for 200$ above retail but that isn't what I would call high demand.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 03, 2006, 09:32:03 AM
QuoteYeah, supposedly Wii's are selling for around double retail value right now. No one wants to sit in line for hours upon hours before a store opens just to secure a sysem before the holidays. The Wii is having a Re-Launch with every shipment and it originally shipped 3 weeks ago. I wonder how long this is gonna last?
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Yes but people waiting for a PS3 aren't people buying a Wii or 360.
Not sure about that, if ebay is any indication demand just isn't there anymore. Yeah they are selling for 200$ above retail but that isn't what I would call high demand.
And since we are on the topic of Sony being one-upped:
Nintendo fan remakes SIXAXIS commercial for Wiimote
the idea was much better suited for the Wiimote anyway, and this commercial shows it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 03, 2006, 12:16:27 PM
Post by: Zach on December 03, 2006, 12:35:29 PM
It also expains why the PS3 has amazing graphics potential, but uses the same old controller with motion sensing thrown in, while the Wiis graphics are the lowest of the generation, but the controllers capabilities are high quality.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 04, 2006, 03:39:35 PM
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"The Wii-type functionality is more just a sub-element of what the PlayStation 3 offers," Nic Foster, general manager for Sony Australia & New Zealand, told the Sydney Morning Herald. "Wii is a core gaming device. It's a more fun, intuitive sort of product to pick up, where the PS3 is a broader entertainment solution; so you can have your fun, enjoyable gaming…but then you have a whole suite of other applications...such as Blu-ray media playback, the ability to access your music, access your photos and the interoperability with the PlayStation Portable.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 05, 2006, 07:53:11 AM
Blueray now free to swashbucklers
Post by: stevey on December 05, 2006, 09:43:29 AM
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A teenager accused of robbing a student of two new Playstation 3s on the day the popular game consoles were introduced was shot to death by police sent to arrest him.
Post by: Arbok on December 05, 2006, 09:48:39 AM
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PS3 cause death toll rising
"Strickland's dog, a German shepherd, also was shot to death."
Jesus Christ...
Anyway, I assume the officers assumed the controller in his hand was a gun, when they broke the door down, and then opened fire on account of it. I have no idea how the dog was shot though, unless they were using some automatic weapon or something that happend to spray the area with shots.
Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2006, 10:36:33 AM
Also from the IGN article
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Unlike music CDs, which allow users to create back-up copies for personal use, Blu-ray and DVD movies carry express copyright laws forbidding any form of duplication. Even ripping a Blu-ray disc to a PS3 for your own enjoyment is in violation of these laws.
Thats how Nintendo can also make it illegal for you to have backups.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 05, 2006, 11:04:56 AM
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Unlike music CDs, which allow users to create back-up copies for personal use, Blu-ray and DVD movies carry express copyright laws forbidding any form of duplication. Even ripping a Blu-ray disc to a PS3 for your own enjoyment is in violation of these laws.
Thats how Nintendo can also make it illegal for you to have backups.
That statement is not backed up with any reference to laws or contractual agreements, not to mention oddly worded, so I don't know where they're getting that idea from, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and call it utter nonsense.
Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2006, 12:04:47 PM
Ten big myths about copyright explained
PartyBear I've been scouring for a while trying to find some place that says that I have a right to have a backup copy. So far I haven't found one. I was just sort of wondering if you had one.
Actually I just found it. US Copyright Law. Though its with regards to this part. I think they can get around this by stating there isn't a need for backup.
Post by: MaryJane on December 05, 2006, 12:22:31 PM
Personally I think management shift may help Sony. The dude who got replaced (I'm bad with names and don't feel like googling I'm about to go out for the night and don't want to waste the time, although I just wasted a bunch of time typing this stupid parenthesis statement) was all about making a supercomputer, the dude running the show now is more focused on games. Games are what is important, thus maybe Sony is hearing the cry of its gamers after all.
The hype of a big bad powerful PS3 is still strong despite its recent failures even in the minds of those who actually read video game news, they're looking forward to Lair... of all F'N games Lair? Give me a break. Anyway.
I don't want to start a poll so I'll phrase my inquiry this way; What would it take for Sony to not make a PS4, is it even a possibility that they won't make a PS4?
Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2006, 01:18:45 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on December 05, 2006, 01:25:40 PM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: stevey
PS3 cause death toll rising
"Strickland's dog, a German shepherd, also was shot to death."
Jesus Christ...
Anyway, I assume the officers assumed the controller in his hand was a gun, when they broke the door down, and then opened fire on account of it. I have no idea how the dog was shot though, unless they were using some automatic weapon or something that happend to spray the area with shots.
Dogs don't like it when someone attacks their owners or someone they know. Heck, my dog flips out if someone shakes hands. She's only a 13 pound terrier, so she can't do any damage, but I could easily see a German Shepherd trying to defend its master and getting shot by police.
Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2006, 01:33:21 PM
Post by: MaryJane on December 05, 2006, 03:25:34 PM
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I'm sorry but why would a hardware company that has never been particularly good at Software to began with go to Software only?
Because an analyst said so! don't you know how right these guys always are?
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Analysts said that Mr Hirai’s promotion to a global role at SCE could mark a critical shift in management thinking, with Sony changing its emphasis so that the current generation of games console will be its last as a hardware manufacturer.
“The appointment of Hirai could be the start of a shift from hardware to software,” said Yuta Sakurai, an analyst at Nomura. “I cannot now imagine a PlayStation4.”
Mr Sakurai said that Mr Hirai’s new global portfolio puts a predominantly software-focused manager in charge of the company, adding that SCE’s future would be shaped by Mr Hirai’s relationship with Phil Harrison, the president of SCE’s worldwide studios.
Analysts argue that while Mr Kutaragi, a brilliant engineer, was the right man to run SCE as a hardware powerhouse, Sony may now see better opportunities as a pure maker of games.
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Google (or Yahoo! which is what I like to use) no ps4, the story is making headlines, no matter how farfetched it is. I tend to disagree with the statements, but it makes me somewhat happy to see people's faith in Sony failing.
Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
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Because an analyst said so! don't you know how right these guys always are?Quote
Analysts said that Mr Hirai’s promotion to a global role at SCE could mark a critical shift in management thinking, with Sony changing its emphasis so that the current generation of games console will be its last as a hardware manufacturer.
“The appointment of Hirai could be the start of a shift from hardware to software,” said Yuta Sakurai, an analyst at Nomura. “I cannot now imagine a PlayStation4.”
Mr Sakurai said that Mr Hirai’s new global portfolio puts a predominantly software-focused manager in charge of the company, adding that SCE’s future would be shaped by Mr Hirai’s relationship with Phil Harrison, the president of SCE’s worldwide studios.
Analysts argue that while Mr Kutaragi, a brilliant engineer, was the right man to run SCE as a hardware powerhouse, Sony may now see better opportunities as a pure maker of games.
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Google (or Yahoo! which is what I like to use) no ps4, the story is making headlines, no matter how farfetched it is. I tend to disagree with the statements, but it makes me somewhat happy to see people's faith in Sony failing.
You know I bet you that analyst is in New York, New York. I just got done kicking New York, New York out of the Union. Therefore he no longer counts.
I could see them getting out of Gaming Hardware. They day that Sony no longer makes Hardware. Is the day that Microsoft starts making a line of OS X running PCs.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 06, 2006, 01:35:19 AM
A company can't tell you backups aren't needed, because that's pure bullshit but they can exploit the DMCA to prevent them.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 06, 2006, 02:58:25 AM
Post by: Ceric on December 06, 2006, 08:55:22 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 06, 2006, 10:04:52 AM
But, hey, how about that Sony, eh? Getting hit hard lately, right?
Post by: couchmonkey on December 06, 2006, 10:26:46 AM
Without its own console to sell those games on I think sales would drop, but still, Sony could make good money from software alone.
Post by: Ceric on December 06, 2006, 02:03:54 PM
Post by: capamerica on December 06, 2006, 03:33:36 PM
Sony has been axeing Hardware devisions and more of their money is coming from games, software, movies and music.
Post by: Kairon on December 06, 2006, 05:01:46 PM
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Post by: Zach on December 06, 2006, 05:05:33 PM
Turnabout is fair play.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 06, 2006, 07:10:09 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 06, 2006, 11:38:31 PM
No, only if you present you an EULA and force you to press "I Agree" AND your courts/laws have decided those are valid contracts. Writing some junk into the manual does not make a valid contract.
Post by: Ceric on December 07, 2006, 01:35:30 AM
By that logic I don't have to pay for my goods as well because I never enter a bounding contract with a company to pay them. Because by walking on the premise its upheld that I have agreed to pay.
Or a better example. At a grocery store the grocer states clearly that by parking in the parking lot that any damaged committed by carts they are not liable for.
Or how company computer usage? Did you know that actual policy manuals do not hold up in court better then those throw away little blurbs right before you login?
I'm sorry but the printed Terms of Use have ramification that are rarely pursued but are still there no less. Also it's fairly obvious that Nintendo and the like are using copy protection that must first be defeated.
Post by: JonLeung on December 07, 2006, 01:54:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Sony published Mickey Mania.
There were some other Super NES games published by Sony ImageSoft. Or at least one other one I know of, a cute little platformer called Smart Ball. It was a silly little thing, about some blobby little guy with blobby abilities, but charming enough for me to at least enjoy playing it for some reason.
I wonder if those would show up on the Virtual Console? >_> Or if the PS3 would have them available for download in some fashion? Or if anyone would really care enough for anyone to bother with the tangled legalities for rights and whatnot. I could see games like GoldenEye worth figuring out who owns the rights but Smart Ball and Mickey Mania? I may like to play Smart Ball and I remember Mickey Mania's graphics and animation looked really good but neither are remembered as must-have games.
It would've been nice if every game licensed for a Nintendo console could be in some way owned enough by Nintendo to see rereleases by Nintendo themselves whenever they see fit (like for the VC) - original developers would still get a cut of the profits, of course. But that would probably have scared away developers some more, even if they didn't mean to take the rights of an entire franchise, just particular games.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 07, 2006, 02:22:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
So your telling me there are no legal ramifications if I go and say alter a game to make Mario kill hookers?
Strictly speaking, no, there aren't. If you just modify your own copy, that's fine. If you distributed code that people could use to likewise alter their own legally obtained copies, that would be fine. If you distributed complete copies of your modified Mario game, you'd be infringing on Nintendo's copyright by distributing a derivative work.
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By that logic I don't have to pay for my goods as well because I never enter a bounding contract with a company to pay them. Because by walking on the premise its upheld that I have agreed to pay.
You are confusing copyright infringement/contract violations with theft. Theft is a criminal matter, and we're talking about a civil matter.
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Or a better example. At a grocery store the grocer states clearly that by parking in the parking lot that any damaged committed by carts they are not liable for.
They are lying. Unless they get you to sign a waiver when you enter the parking lot, they can't avoid liability that way.
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Or how company computer usage? Did you know that actual policy manuals do not hold up in court better then those throw away little blurbs right before you login?
Policy manuals are not agreements of any kind. They are 100% one-sided. A dialog box that requires you to click "I Agree" is two-sided, but just barely. Whether or not that's enough currently depends on where you live.
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I'm sorry but the printed Terms of Use have ramification that are rarely pursued but are still there no less. Also it's fairly obvious that Nintendo and the like are using copy protection that must first be defeated.
The Terms of Use document only has any bearing on your use if you agree to be bound by it. If there's a EULA you have to agree to, it contains a clause saying that you agree to be bound by the Terms of Use by clicking "I Agree." If there's no EULA, there's no agreement. There is no EULA on Twilight Princess. There's not even a Terms of Use on Twilight Princess. There's nothing but a little warning blurb just like the one about epilepsy. You know, the one that appears every time you boot up a Nintendo game now because just printing it in the manual wasn't enough to cover Nintendo in court? Do I need to draw the parallel?
Post by: KDR_11k on December 07, 2006, 04:09:41 AM
That's creating a derivative work and falls under different rules.
By that logic I don't have to pay for my goods as well because I never enter a bounding contract with a company to pay them.
No, sales contracts are implicit and defined by law. A private person cannot write a similar implicit contract because they are not the law. A contract can only be established through the consent of all parties. Consent can only be given when the contract terms are known (contracts where one party cannot be reasonably expected to have full knowledge of all terms before signifying consent are void). A note in the back of the manual is not defined as known and you have no way of telling whether the person you claim entered the contract has agreed to it or rejected it and simply proceeded to use what is legally his (he can use it without agreeing to that contract and there's not a damn thing you can do). With click-through EULAs you present the contract and force the user to click "accept" in order for the program to start.
Or a better example. At a grocery store the grocer states clearly that by parking in the parking lot that any damaged committed by carts they are not liable for.
That is a disclaimer of liability, not on the same level as a contract. It's also the terms under which you are permitted to enter the grocer's land. A shrinkwrap contract does not give you anything in exchange for agreeing since you have the legal right to use the product. The grocer could wihdraw his part of the offer if you don't keep yours (i.e. get you for trespassing), the company that issued a shrinkwrap contract cannot prevent you from using the product if you don't agree to their contract.
I'm sorry but the printed Terms of Use have ramification that are rarely pursued but are still there no less.
Terms of use apply when you use other people's property. When you buy something and it comes with a shrinkwrap contract it's your property. Copyright can prevent you from copying but it cannot prevent you from using it. Only installers that force agreement to an EULA can do that (although this method is not valid in some jurisdictions since it constitutes 1. a contract under durress (void since you can't disagree with it without losing money), 2. a change to the terms of sale that the buyer was not informed of (sold product differs from product the buyer understood he bought, license vs. copy, constitutes fraud) and 3. a non-negotiated contract (EU law limits the terms those can carry, minus those the EULA is merely a declaration that copyright applies)).
They are lying. Unless they get you to sign a waiver when you enter the parking lot, they can't avoid liability that way.
I don't think the landlord is liable by default, those carts don't move themselves so the guilty party is someone in the area. I've never seen that kind of disclaimer 'round here, I guess it's to deal with the flood of stupid lawsuits the US legal system is plagued with (suing people because you're too dumb to hold a cup of coffee? YOU spilled it, YOU are liable!).
Policy manuals are not agreements of any kind. They are 100% one-sided.
They are the terms under which you can use somebody else's property, the owner of those computers is not required to let you use them, if you agree to the terms he agrees to do so.
You know, the one that appears every time you boot up a Nintendo game now because just printing it in the manual wasn't enough to cover Nintendo in court?
I don't think Nintendo would have lost that case, they simply settled. This disclaimer probably allows them to make the judge throw lawsuits out as frivolous before they get a real hearing which saves on legal costs.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 07, 2006, 05:14:04 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
They are lying. Unless they get you to sign a waiver when you enter the parking lot, they can't avoid liability that way.
I don't think the landlord is liable by default, those carts don't move themselves so the guilty party is someone in the area. I've never seen that kind of disclaimer 'round here, I guess it's to deal with the flood of stupid lawsuits the US legal system is plagued with (suing people because you're too dumb to hold a cup of coffee? YOU spilled it, YOU are liable!).
To the best of my knowledge, private property owners are liable for virtually any injury or damage that happens on their property. You can't even get away with having unsafe conditions on your land because nobody's allowed on it, anyway. However, I'll defer to you because I don't want to argue the point.
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Policy manuals are not agreements of any kind. They are 100% one-sided.
They are the terms under which you can use somebody else's property, the owner of those computers is not required to let you use them, if you agree to the terms he agrees to do so.
I addressed that in the following point, where I said that a separate contract could require you to follow the terms of use.
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You know, the one that appears every time you boot up a Nintendo game now because just printing it in the manual wasn't enough to cover Nintendo in court?
I don't think Nintendo would have lost that case, they simply settled. This disclaimer probably allows them to make the judge throw lawsuits out as frivolous before they get a real hearing which saves on legal costs.
I don't know how a judge would see things, but when the disclaimer only appeared in the manual, it was easy to overlook. Now it's next to impossible to overlook. Nintendo must hope that this will reduce the chances of someone at risk playing their games in the first place. I doubt Nintendo will be able to have any such lawsuits dismissed as frivolous unless they actually fight one out and win to set a precedent, and the risk of setting the opposite precedent is probably too great for them to be willing to do that.
Regardless of what we think would happen in such a case, for Nintendo it looks like a choice between a couple hundred thousand dollars in "go away" money vs. a million in legal costs with a risk of many millions in damages. No matter how obnoxious the warnings become, Nintendo's always going to settle just in case, and that's the sensible thing to do, really. The plaintiff will also always be willing to settle for similar reasons: a guaranteed payoff now vs. a merely possible larger payoff much later after lawyer fees have bankrupted them. The chances of any such case receiving a judgment are tiny. It's symptomatic of a bigger problem, but that would be getting political.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 07, 2006, 06:26:07 AM
No, it's a short sighted approach, it's the equivalent of negotiating with terrorists. What could Nintendo be found guilty of? Not barging into that guy's home and punching him in the face for utter stupidity? What did Nintendo's hardware even do that the guy's TV didn't?
The plaintiff will also always be willing to settle for similar reasons: a guaranteed payoff now vs. a merely possible larger payoff much later after lawyer fees have bankrupted them.
Pay attention on that last bit: Big corporations are able to drag out a lawsuit for years. If Nintendo really was at risk of losing they could just drag it out until the opponent is bankrupt. Wouldn't be cheaper for them but would tell other terrorists that they shouldn't even try.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 07, 2006, 07:03:04 AM
By the way, I find it odd that you'd complain about people winning lawsuits you consider frivolous (the spilled coffee reference) and still be absolutely certain that Nintendo wouldn't lose one.
As for dragging out a court case until the plaintiff can't afford to continue, I don't want to support that kind of behavior. Even if I am a Nintendo fan--actually, because I'm a Nintendo fan--I don't want them to sink to that level. Regardless of whose side I'm on, that's not justice.
Post by: Kairon on December 07, 2006, 08:18:09 AM
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Im just trying to think of all the times we had to deal with Sony Fanboys telling us that Nintendo was gonna go the way of Sega. Now that the PS3 is faltering, we are starting to say the same thing. (I admit, we are only talking about the possibility at this point.)
Turnabout is fair play.
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Post by: Ceric on December 07, 2006, 03:49:35 PM
So if Nintendo figured out you where playing rip games they be in there right to disable your Wii? From what I gather part of the companies right is if it can enforce punishment.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 07, 2006, 05:22:08 PM
That lawsuit was won because McDonald's served the coffee way too hot in the oppinion of the judge (although it was still below the recommended temperature for coffee). Nintendo has been actively taking measures against epileptic seizures in their games, there's no way one could blame them for negligence, never mind that the guy who died and caused that lawsuit had several epileptic seizures before (he was in his thirties IIRC) and should have consulted a doctor. That he continued playing despite knowing that his body cannot take it makes it pretty much suicide and possibly negligence on the part of the mother who sued instead of prying the system and TV away from him. Medicine has the risks listed in a leaflet and that's sufficient despite much greater risks.
As for dragging out a court case until the plaintiff can't afford to continue, I don't want to support that kind of behavior. Even if I am a Nintendo fan--actually, because I'm a Nintendo fan--I don't want them to sink to that level. Regardless of whose side I'm on, that's not justice.
I think it is justice. "Exploit a flaw in the law against us, we'll exploit a flaw against you". Being able to sue others for the result of a conscious action on your part where you could have been reasonably expected tro know better is a flaw in the system. Never mind those overbroad lawsuits where people sue like 15 different companies because they tripped over a brick. Hell, people sued Nintendo over GTA!
So if Nintendo figured out you where playing rip games they be in there right to disable your Wii?
Sure, then they get a public backlash because people feel unfairly disadvantaged or even worse got false positives and the resale value hits rock bottom. Of course they also have to inform the buyer that the Wii can be disabled and under which circumstances since otherwise the buyer bought the product expecting something different from what he got (a Wii that works vs. a Wii that self-destructs) which again falls into fraud.
Post by: Kairon on December 07, 2006, 08:20:06 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: KDR_11k on December 07, 2006, 09:12:50 PM
Post by: Ceric on December 09, 2006, 05:19:45 AM
At that point I have a choice:
1) Call Nintendo and pay the appropriate amount to have my Wii unbricked
2) Buy a new Wii
As long as both are an option then its fine with me. Ripping off people's hard work is something that shouldn't be tolerated, I'm going to be a Computer Scientist so things like that are personal. Now on the flipside if you want to wipe the Nintendo OS and put Linux on that should be your right as well because you own the hardware. I won't begrudge Nintendo taking measures so that if you did do that you couldn't play Wii games though.
Post by: segagamer12 on December 12, 2006, 08:29:42 AM
Well it has been three weeks now and my Wii hasnt had a break, it goes over to adifferent house everynight and now I have three PS3 fanboy friends who all say they want Wii for christmas and sony can screwoff. these guys are so hard core they have a Ps1, PsOne, Ps2, Ps2slim, and PSP plus eveyr gadget that goe along with it.
I never thought I would see they day when my friends whould get a Nintendo system over playstation. They still argue over the true scuess of DS vs PSP and some hwop think PSP is way ahead. I only have one who is truely dedicated and still getting a Ps3, everyone else says scrw Sony and they want a Wii. Its a hard time for Sony indeed.
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 12, 2006, 12:52:57 PM
I felt the guy was truly being ripped off, but it wasn't my place to say something at the Best Buy. I would have steered him straight to the DS and explained that its future is much brighter and better than the PSP.
*sigh* I hope that guy doesn't regret his purchase, but the sales person saying that the PSP is truly the best deal for portable gaming is a complete joke.
Post by: Amodaus1 on December 12, 2006, 01:03:13 PM
But I personally think if sony can not maintian market dominance like it did with the ps2 (which i don't think it will, ps3 may win overall, but it won't have the humongous piece of the pie like it did with ps2) They will be forced to kill off the psp indefinetly or they will scramble and do something stupid like release a new add-on thats $200 or come out with the NEXT-GEN PSP which will be the same miserable failure. Honestly, the device costs more to make then your selling it for, and your games aren't selling, that movie studio money is going to run thin soon because every studio has pretty much cut all support. What is the PSP funding runing on?
Post by: capamerica on December 12, 2006, 02:22:56 PM
If we don't help out each other who will?
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 12, 2006, 03:04:58 PM
Post by: Amodaus1 on December 12, 2006, 04:26:02 PM
Post by: Crimm on December 12, 2006, 07:18:18 PM
December 12th, 2004: PSP launches in Japan
December 12th, 2006: SquareEnix announces Dragon Quest IX for the DS
Post by: Hocotate on December 12, 2006, 09:24:09 PM
I don't know how much more Sony's doom can be set in stone...... Well I guess if FFXIII was canceled for PS3 and being remade for the Wii that would do it too lol.
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 13, 2006, 02:08:01 AM
If SquareEnix decided to give Wii Dragon Quest and Sony Final Fantasy it would screw them over too.
Remember, Wii can connect to the DS, and just because Dragon Quest was announced for DS doesn't mean they won't potentially have some connectivity or another version of the game for the Wii. It would be awesome if literally the same game with better graphics was available to play at home, and then you could upload your save data to the DS and continue playing the game on the go somehow.
Post by: capamerica on December 13, 2006, 02:22:36 AM
The TRUTH about the PS3's backwards compatibility...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs
Post by: couchmonkey on December 13, 2006, 03:26:31 AM
What Sony needs to do (but probably can't) is just offer some decent software for the system. I know it's possible, Loco Roco looks awesome, but it seems like PSP has always been short on really interesting games. PSP could make a tidy profit just selling games to the current users, but the games people want just don't seem to be there. The possibility that people bought it as a multimedia machine instead of a game system makes the problem worse, I guess, but I think the chance to profit is there. Nintendo could totally do it, but I guess Sony isn't up to the challenge.
Post by: UncleBob on December 13, 2006, 03:45:51 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Of course they also have to inform the buyer that the Wii can be disabled and under which circumstances since otherwise the buyer bought the product expecting something different from what he got (a Wii that works vs. a Wii that self-destructs) which again falls into fraud.
Did *you* read all those user agreements when you set up your Wii? Or did you just click through them, pretty much ignoring them like I (and probably) every single other person did? Who knows what was in them. Perhaps they even said "By playing this Wii, you give your soul to almighty Satan."... and no one would ever know.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 13, 2006, 04:23:56 AM
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Originally posted by: UncleBobQuote
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Of course they also have to inform the buyer that the Wii can be disabled and under which circumstances since otherwise the buyer bought the product expecting something different from what he got (a Wii that works vs. a Wii that self-destructs) which again falls into fraud.
Did *you* read all those user agreements when you set up your Wii? Or did you just click through them, pretty much ignoring them like I (and probably) every single other person did? Who knows what was in them. Perhaps they even said "By playing this Wii, you give your soul to almighty Satan."... and no one would ever know.
I read the whole agreement. It was well written and easy to understand, and I admire Nintendo for that. Of course, it didn't say anything unexpected. It was completely par for the course as far as online service agreements go. You don't have to worry about your soul. Nintendo reserves the right to deny you access to their servers if you break their rules, and that's about it.
Bricking your Wii because you've copied a game would be in a legal grey area and a PR nightmare, so I doubt Nintendo would want to be a pioneer in that field.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 13, 2006, 05:06:59 AM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
Spak if I was you I would have said something once the person walked away from the sales man. I personally do it all the time, exspecially when a person was mislead into buying something.
If we don't help out each other who will?
I'd have interjected "4 hours, less if you watch movies".
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
It would be awesome if literally the same game with better graphics was available to play at home, and then you could upload your save data to the DS and continue playing the game on the go somehow.
It was a horrible idea when Sony claimed they'd do it and it'll be a horrible idea if S-E tried to do it. You're purchasing two versions of the same game FFS! That's 100€ just to get a graphics upgrade when you're at home! Thanks but I'll take the 40€ version that I can play at home, too.
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
Did *you* read all those user agreements when you set up your Wii? Or did you just click through them, pretty much ignoring them like I (and probably) every single other person did? Who knows what was in them. Perhaps they even said "By playing this Wii, you give your soul to almighty Satan."... and no one would ever know.
Letting aside that I don't have a Wii yes I do read those things, especially when I have reason to assume the company issuing it might include non-standard terms (i.e. they're untrustworthy companies like Microsoft or Valve).
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 13, 2006, 09:12:48 AM
It has worked for Pokemon. You have two versions of basically the same game, and you choose which you want...if you want both then that is your progaditive...S-E isn't forcing you to buy it. And it would be a huge boom, and very cool for those that do it.
Post by: MaryJane on December 13, 2006, 11:00:30 AM
Much like the lonelygirl thing on youtube, sony pretended some dude created his own site and youtube videos about how much he wanted a PSP! They were found out, and weren't happy about it.
Good way to help out a failing system LIE!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 13, 2006, 11:08:03 AM
It could be cool if they made those videos and such and asked others who wanted a PSP to link to the video or create their own. Then you have something cool, but to make it look like an individual did something that obviously was a marketing firms attempt to create hype is stupid.
Oh well.
Post by: segagamer12 on December 17, 2006, 05:14:55 AM
Sony should have renamed PSP Walkman Video and it could have sold better. Walkman being the bigger brand. Oh wait Sony is full of idiots who forgot what started thier company.
Post by: Arbok on December 17, 2006, 05:54:41 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
Sony should have renamed PSP Walkman Video and it could have sold better. Walkman being the bigger brand.
Maybe if we traveled back in time a decade or so. Walkman has been bleeding what little market share it has for awhile now, as they failed to adapt when Apple came onto the scene. Playstation is a much bigger brand name today than "Walkman" is, regardless of what it meant years ago and the success it once brought them.
Post by: Kairon on December 17, 2006, 09:45:46 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 17, 2006, 10:35:45 AM
Post by: Arbok on December 17, 2006, 11:12:12 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Or it means Sony lied about that and only bundled Talladega Nights in the first 250,000 PS3's and might only have 500,000 units shipped by the end of the year.
Yep, I would imagine that Sony only planned to have Talladega Nights sold with it on the initial run, which as we all know was an ever shrinking number until it actually came out.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on December 17, 2006, 03:31:36 PM
I'm not saying Tallagdega Nights is excactly a selling point, but it might as well be when they are advertising crying babies as a selling feature...
Post by: segagamer12 on December 18, 2006, 05:06:03 AM
Post by: Arbok on December 18, 2006, 07:08:02 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
goddamint arbok dont you get sarcasm?
What part of:
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chocolate from Verizon is better than PSP and is actually selling. My friends got one it kicks ass.
Sony should have renamed PSP Walkman Video and it could have sold better. Walkman being the bigger brand. Oh wait Sony is full of idiots who forgot what started thier company.
Hints at sarcasm being used?
Post by: JonLeung on December 18, 2006, 09:08:01 AM
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Originally posted by: WuTangTurtle
I'm not saying Tallagdega Nights is excactly a selling point, but it might as well be when they are advertising crying babies as a selling feature...
I agree with you there. Dumb movie > scary psychotic baby dolls.
With the font and whatnot, they should package the PS3 with the Blu-Ray of Spider-Man 3. Actually, that's possible, Spider-Man 2 came with the PSP, didn't it? They will probably package Spider-Man 3 with the PS3 next Christmas.
Of course, the PS3 won't be at a decent price until three years, and maybe even then it won't be worth it because the developers have all jumped ship to the competition. And/or maybe HD-DVD will be clearly on the way to becoming the dominant new format somehow.
Post by: Requiem on December 18, 2006, 02:29:07 PM
Since when is getting a free movie an incentive to buy a VIDEOGAME CONSOLE?!
Post by: Nick DiMola on December 18, 2006, 05:48:17 PM
Seriously, can Sony please hire someone who doesn't say the dumbest things everytime they open their mouth? I honestly can't take the stupidity anymore. It's like everytime a Sony rep speaks I actually feel dumber. So is Phil trying to say that the PS3 is so hard to program for that no one will take full use of it, or that the consumer is wasting money on technology people aren't ready to use yet. Either way Sony PHAILS. You've gotta wonder how a company could've crashed so damn hard.
P.S. - For some extra LOLZ read the comments and see if you can find the Sony fanboys.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 18, 2006, 07:37:17 PM
"I fervently believe that the biggest challenge we face is that our industry is referred to as 'video games,' and games are supposed to be fun. Games should deal with fear, should deal with comedy and with death. They should deal with peril, with drug offenses."
Games are supposed to be fun!?!? who ever would assume that?
oh and there is this
Sony makes Top 5 Over Hyped List - by TIME Magazine
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TO PLAY'S THE THING
The big story in computer games this year was HOW TO BLOW A HUGE LEAD, by Sony. Its PlayStation 2 was the champ in the last round of the console wars. This time Sony bet on a chip called the Cell and a disc format called Blu-ray. They're probably awesome, but how would anybody know? The PS3 is hideously expensive--it goes for up to $600--and Sony manufactured only a piddling few hundred thousand for the U.S., fewer for Japan. Plus it's hard to write games for; the launch titles were lame. You know you're in trouble when you get beat by something called a Wii.
Post by: MysticGohan on December 18, 2006, 08:16:28 PM
Post by: Ceric on December 19, 2006, 03:27:57 AM
Anyway, the day that Videogames goes the Way of TV and Movies and stop being a medium of mostly fun and into a medium of mostly guilt will be the day I stop playing videogames and become a Gamevalangilist against the Wickedness of these New Games and there Devil Systems. Each chapter will be about 30 Bucks and you will buy it because you don't want that fun anymore.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 19, 2006, 04:00:06 AM
I bet if someone were to dig through this thread, an almost exact quote would show up somewhere, or I'm just having a case of dejavu.
Post by: ShyGuy on December 19, 2006, 04:08:30 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 19, 2006, 07:42:50 AM
Post by: Kairon on December 19, 2006, 09:53:01 AM
Games are NOT supposed to be fun. They are supposed to be entertainment.
A hollywood action blockbuster and a drama that forces you through an emotional catharsis are both entertaining... but only one of them is "fun."
Let's not be restricted by the normal boundaries of what "fun" is and instead search out a wider range of stimulation.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 19, 2006, 10:03:03 AM
Post by: Kairon on December 19, 2006, 10:06:55 AM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Requiem on December 19, 2006, 11:07:39 AM
So having fun is entertianing, but not all entertianment is meant to be fun...
Post by: Smoke39 on December 19, 2006, 11:57:58 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 19, 2006, 01:05:35 PM
But who plays games to not have fun? You can put in all the drama you want during the cutscenes, but if the game isn't fun to play, why should I care? If you can incorporate your "drama, suspense, drug offense, etc. etc." during some good, fun gameplay, then more power to you, and carry on, but if not then I think you may have forgotten what it means to game.
If I wanted to sit back and watch the "drama, suspense, drug offense, etc. etc." unfold, then I would just go rent a movie.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on December 19, 2006, 02:15:25 PM
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Originally posted by: MysticGohan
lol, Sony's getting the Wii up the Arse. Go Nintendo, Have your way for a change
lol, i haven't laughed so much in a long time. I guess Harrioson deserves some of the credit though.
Post by: denjet78 on December 19, 2006, 02:52:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Kairon knows what he's talking about, but that Sony fellow wasn't very articulate on that point.
Actually, I think that Sony fellow knew exactly what he was saying. He was talking to all those self-conscious gamers who will only play games if they're overly violent and, well, boring as hell just as long as they don't look like something a kid would play. Why else would he specifically use that example? He's stuck in the GTA pre-teen frame of mind. Anyone with even an ounce of intelligence would have known better than to have said something THAT stupid. Especially when he's supposed to be part of Sony's PR department. That statement is just ridiculously stupid.
What would have been a far better statement would have been if had said that games need to be used to reflect current societal issues. As a medium, like films and music, that can be used to reach out to users in a more personal way. The biggest roadblock to gaming right now is merging modern themes while still maintaining their engrossing interactivity.
Wow... that took me all of a minute to think up and boy does it sound about a billion time better than what this "tiku tiku tiku" could ever come up with. Personally, I don't believe that but that's neither here nor there. Sony should really hire me to run their PR department. I'd at least get them to stop saying such retarded crap all the time.
Post by: Smoke39 on December 19, 2006, 03:11:48 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Well the guy that originally wrote the article did say that people were taking that quote out of context, and the way that Kairon put is actually the way it was meant to have been said, it just didn't come out that way.
That's basically what I just said. He didn't effectively articulate what he meant.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 19, 2006, 05:23:42 PM
and I was letting everyone know that the interviewer agreed with Kairon, but what I didn't tell you is that he supposedly went back and corrected the article to better convey what was meant to be said(I didn't go back to MTV to check).
Post by: Zach on December 19, 2006, 05:24:52 PM
Quote*chuckle* Yeah, we all know that Sony's PR department never says anything stupid.
Originally posted by: denjet78
Anyone with even an ounce of intelligence would have known better than to have said something THAT stupid. Especially when he's supposed to be part of Sony's PR department.
Post by: denjet78 on December 19, 2006, 06:43:27 PM
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Originally posted by: ZachQuote*chuckle* Yeah, we all know that Sony's PR department never says anything stupid.
Originally posted by: denjet78
Anyone with even an ounce of intelligence would have known better than to have said something THAT stupid. Especially when he's supposed to be part of Sony's PR department.
I just meant, COME ON! This is supposed to be your companies PR department? How do all these retards get these cushy jobs blowing crap all the damn time? Is it a requirement that you fail 6th grade English to get a PR job? The sheer level of moronic idiocy that ALL of these people display...
Why aren't they all fired yet????
I would have fired this dweeb as soon as I heard what was said.
Post by: MysticGohan on December 19, 2006, 07:09:15 PM
ya know I'm cool heh.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 20, 2006, 06:55:31 AM
In my eyes the only difference between the two is an imprecision in the casual way of speaking. Happiness is the response of the body when your actions meet the programmed criteria for "good action". If you do something and would like to do it again, it's fun. If you watch a horror movie and want to watch another one obviously horror is fun to you. Anything you like is fun because that's the way the feedback system works. A game that isn't fun is a game you don't like because something about it makes the negative feedback you get from it outweight the positive and makes playing the game an undesirable action from your point of view.
Yes, a game must be fun.
Post by: Kairon on December 20, 2006, 08:33:22 AM
... is sleeping fun?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: couchmonkey on December 20, 2006, 08:42:19 AM
Semantics! Harrison obviously meant themes and plots needn't be "fun" as in lighthearted or whatever, but his Freudian slip is still the most FUN thing I've read on the Internet today.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 20, 2006, 11:18:27 AM
Post by: Ceric on December 20, 2006, 03:13:19 PM
Post by: UncleBob on December 20, 2006, 03:45:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
This thread is losing its fun.
Needs more man nipple.
Post by: Zach on December 21, 2006, 02:20:55 PM
QuoteFixed, too bad you would get banned for making the thread more fun in that fashion
Originally posted by: UncleBobQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
This thread is losing its fun.
Needs more WOman nipple.
Edit: Found the next best thing:
Post by: Requiem on December 21, 2006, 02:42:33 PM
UNCLEBOB>>>>>>>>>>IS THAT REALLY YOUR NIPPLE!?
YOU SIR, ARE SICK!
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DOA..........Those nipples are disgusting as well.
Post by: segagamer12 on December 21, 2006, 03:11:31 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 21, 2006, 03:34:31 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on December 21, 2006, 03:42:35 PM
Post by: Ceric on December 21, 2006, 06:17:54 PM
Post by: Requiem on December 21, 2006, 08:29:31 PM
Post by: Ceric on December 22, 2006, 06:04:52 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 22, 2006, 06:50:42 AM
Post by: Ceric on December 22, 2006, 09:27:56 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 23, 2006, 01:28:45 PM
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Eager entrepreneurs trying to make a fast buck on hot demand for the new Sony PlayStation 3 this holiday season have found themselves out of luck.
The initial supply of PlayStation 3 game consoles fell well short of demand and spawned a market of scalpers who picked up the systems.
But a last-minute surge in supply to electronics retailers has left many holding a PS3 with nowhere to unload them.
Trevor, who didn't want his last name used, lined up for 18 hours to pick up PS3 the day it was released, and has been hanging onto the system since Nov. 17. The 23-year-old was waiting to sell it in the hope of making some extra cash.
"I figured, hold it to Christmas and everyone will be rushing to get one for their kids."
Dwayne Paul, 27, also hoped to make some extra money during the holidays by unloading a PS3.
So far, there have been no takers.
"It's easy to get now," he said. "It's not a hot commodity."
Both said they plan to return the systems to the store.
Of course, there are other in demand holiday toys.
Rob Alexander, business sales manager at Best Buy, said the store is out of Nintendo Wii, another popular gaming system.
Is this an isolated incedent? I'm not so sure...
A friend of mine just got a PS3 from Costco yesterday and called me seconds b4 purcahsing it to see if it was worth re-selling it on ebay. I told him it could be worth the trouble, but I wouldn't bother at this point.
He bought it anyway. I'm not sure if he's gonna sell it or not though.
Post by: UncleBob on December 23, 2006, 03:17:00 PM
We get Wii's (less often) and they're gone within in an hour. No joke.
Post by: Arbok on December 23, 2006, 03:18:41 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I told him it could be worth the trouble, but I wouldn't bother at this point.
One look at eBay tells me it won't be worth the trouble... hell, a lot of people are losing money when you factor in eBay's cut of the sales too. Take this one that just ended, for example, and only was bid to $10 over retail:
Auction
Supply on eBay is way beyond demand for the system.
Post by: Mario on December 23, 2006, 04:33:12 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 23, 2006, 04:39:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
BnM, can you fix the link for that article please.
It has been fixed.
Post by: Darc Requiem on December 23, 2006, 07:47:58 PM
Post by: Hocotate on December 24, 2006, 04:38:09 AM
Post by: ThePerm on December 24, 2006, 04:44:37 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
I have sexy nipples, wanna see?
yes, bet you didn't expect that did you!
Post by: utarefsoN on December 25, 2006, 07:30:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
My brother got a PS3 the other day. I still think its stupid for them to include Talladega Nights with the system but not include component or HDMI cables. Not a good way to show off Blu-Ray to the average consumer IMO.
Its not stupid really. The money is in the accessories(and software). So manufactures will NEVER include upgraded cables in their hardware. The profit margin on that stuff is like 80-90%. Its cost a few bucks to make and they sell it for 30-70 or even 100 bucks. As long as they make a killing on accessories never in your life expect upgaded cables to come with your hardware. Espcially with SOny, since they need to make up some of that loss they are suffering for each sale of a PS3.
Look ar nintendo for example, i suspect they make 25 bucks for every component cable they sell at 29.00. Hell they make adout 40 for selling wiis at 249.00. Do the math, nintendo is making a killing on the cables. Thats why they rather you buy from their online store so they dont have to share any profit with retailers.
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 25, 2006, 08:15:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
That's further proof that IGN steals OUR ideas and is a horrible site overall.
No kidding. We need to get King Admin to invade IGN and rough them up a little bit.
Post by: UncleBob on December 25, 2006, 01:13:55 PM
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Originally posted by: utarefsoNQuote
So manufactures will NEVER include upgraded cables in their hardware.
Doesn't the 360 Pro bundle come with higher quality cables?
Post by: darknight06 on December 25, 2006, 02:25:24 PM
Post by: segagamer12 on December 25, 2006, 07:26:37 PM
Post by: UniversalJuan on December 26, 2006, 02:45:27 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
nope my friend has one and it came with the regular cables.
Then, quite simply, your friend was completely ripped ff. The XBOX 360 Premium (White Box) has a set of Component HD Cables inside, while still offering standard def as well. Best of both world...making me wonder even more why the hell the Core exists....
Post by: Artimus on December 26, 2006, 07:55:42 AM
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Post by: Hocotate on December 26, 2006, 11:36:29 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 26, 2006, 12:19:51 PM
Post by: Kairon on December 26, 2006, 12:47:28 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Artimus on December 26, 2006, 12:49:01 PM
Post by: IceCold on December 26, 2006, 05:49:38 PM
Stupid Sony.
Post by: Ghisy on December 27, 2006, 12:24:17 AM
But I got used to it, it's not the worst pad ever for me, it's just ok.
Post by: Requiem on December 27, 2006, 01:41:43 AM
Nintendo-wii.blogspot.com
Post by: Hocotate on December 27, 2006, 02:15:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
So I heard Sony might be delaying their Europe launch to September?
lol if thats the case then they might as well not launch in Europe at all.
Post by: Ceric on December 27, 2006, 03:31:46 AM
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Originally posted by: HocotateQuote
Originally posted by: Requiem
So I heard Sony might be delaying their Europe launch to September?
lol if thats the case then they might as well not launch in Europe at all.
QFT
Also I have no real love for the Dual Shock. Especially the Symbols instead of Letters. Thats a different side of the brain there Sony. I know why they split the D-Pad was to get around patents and the like.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 27, 2006, 04:41:56 AM
QuoteNow htats how you have a sucessful WorldWide launch... once again Sony setting the stardard and putting the expectation bar at the highest level.
Originally posted by: Requiem
So I heard Sony might be delaying their Europe launch to September?
Post by: segagamer12 on December 27, 2006, 06:37:39 AM
Post by: Requiem on December 27, 2006, 07:40:05 AM
I thought it would take a year or two to predict who's going to win it all, but I already know PS3 has no chance at #1. Now it's Wii vs. 360...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 27, 2006, 07:50:55 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 27, 2006, 07:52:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Wii vs. DS plz
You KNOW it's going to come to that...
Post by: WuTangTurtle on December 27, 2006, 09:29:39 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 27, 2006, 07:34:59 PM
QuoteWell these are the only two consoles that are both, current , past & next-gen.
Originally posted by: Professional 666
Wii vs. DS plz
currently here, using last gen tech, and next gen control.
They are the only two on the same playing field.
They could only compete with each other.
Post by: segagamer12 on December 30, 2006, 09:26:41 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2007, 01:47:08 PM
Good because Sony has finally provided a store with enough stock..
or Bad because consumers have lost interest in PS3 and Sony is no longer able to sell out their stock.
and for reference, Wii isn't even listed on the website cause they never seem to have enough stock to keep the stores supplied.
Post by: capamerica on January 03, 2007, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2007, 06:43:30 PM
I thought it should be posted here as well...
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Originally posted by: RequiemQuote
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Porn picked HD-DVD over BRD?
when did that happen?
Actually, it's the opposite. (Vivid's first dvd goes to Blu-ray)
According to that inteview, they only choose BRD initially because the company they are working with on that specific movie is a Bluray supporter from the start. Now that Sony has dropped the ball in the "supply the demand" depaartment, I wouldn't be surprised to see all of their HDTV-DVD content primarily goto HD-DVD w/ consideration to Bluray afterwards, and not the other way around as mentioned in the interview.
And according to this post(on AVSforums), HD-DVD is the current favorite for the majority of the Porn industy, and its mostly cause of cost of disc and manufacturing.Quote
Originally posted by: JLaures on AVSforums
I’m the HD project manager for the largest US adult catalog and think “adult” could influence the format battle.
We were initially going Blu-Ray because of Sony’s Hollywood and CE commitments, but the cost differences in hardware and most importantly, disk replication, combined with good HD DVD and bad Blu-Ray buzz changed our decision to releasing only on HD DVD. Right now, it looks like most of the adult industry will go the same way.Quote
Originally posted by: Requiem
Well good sh!t...
Another blow to Sony is always a good thing.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 03, 2007, 09:26:55 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 04, 2007, 04:16:36 AM
When things aren't equal, who knows? The argument could be made that both formats are doomed in the face of digital distribution (I'd rather buy porn straight from the internet than go to a store.)
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Is it considered a good or bad thing that the PS3 has been for sale all day on Bestbuy.com and they have not run out of stock yet.
That depends on how many units Best Buy has. Probably bad thing, I doubt Sony suddenly supplied them with 250,000 new units.
Post by: capamerica on January 04, 2007, 05:00:33 AM
This is a VERY bad sign. As I said the Xbox360 was never in stock for more then a few mins and as we've seen with the Wii its normally sold out with in a matter of secs.
Post by: Requiem on January 04, 2007, 05:18:32 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2007, 06:56:30 AM
ABC has changed the story headline, but the story has stayed the same.
changed from "Game Over for PS3?" to "PS3 Not So Hard To Find?"
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 04, 2007, 07:08:50 AM
In the words of Shang Tsung in his famous live-action role, "IT HAS BEGUNNN!!"
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 04, 2007, 07:15:29 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Uh Oh... earlier reports that are in this thread are being reported on by a major news site
ABC has changed the story headline, but the story has stayed the same.
changed from "Game Over for PS3?" to "PS3 Not So Hard To Find?"
I love analysts. They're the magic 8-balls of the business world.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2007, 07:32:47 AM
I think they have been available since about 10am pst. Either they have alot of stock(41 at the time of this post) or the damand was only high because of Christmas and the ability to capitalize on desperate parents and gamers hoping to get thier hands on this Christmas' HOT holiday item and the perfect Christmas present which incidentally turned out to be the Wii, not the PS3.
Post by: vudu on January 04, 2007, 08:17:33 AM
Although, that number isn't the quantity that Amazon is selling. That's the number of sellers on Amazon Marketplace selling one.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 04, 2007, 08:28:43 AM
Post by: Ceric on January 04, 2007, 08:39:57 AM
So yeah. Porn support HD-DVD then thats a big leg up to win.
Post by: stevey on January 04, 2007, 01:33:54 PM
lol, sony has already lost.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 05, 2007, 04:15:42 AM
This part of BlackNMild's link got me:
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And the Winner Is …
It may be too early to predict a winner in the next generation console war, but that doesn't keep some experts from speculating.
"The "next gen" war has only just begun, but from the early skirmishes, things are looking pretty good for Microsoft," said Davison. "Nintendo had a good holiday season, but it has a lot to prove."
Crecente, who believes Sony's PlayStation 3 is a powerful system that's capable of offering a great experience, agreed with Davison's assessment.
"I would say Microsoft [will be the winner]," he said. "Sony is not winning — that's easy to say — there have been so many missteps. Nintendo has a tremendous amount of buzz, but Microsoft has really taken advantage of the year's head start."
Silly analysts. The only reason to believe MS will win is because of it's headstart, but if you dig a little deeper, you can see the head start has been squandered. Wii is keeping up pace with 360 sales even with shortages, 360 failed to outsell PS2 for practically all of 2006, and worst of all 360 failed to outdo the original Xbox's first year sales - even with no next-gen competition!
Things could be looking up for Microsoft this year as consumers lose interest in PS3. A price drop might help too. But I'll be surprised if Microsoft is still in first place two years from now.
Post by: vudu on January 05, 2007, 06:09:11 AM
Post by: JonLeung on January 05, 2007, 06:18:57 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Silly analysts. The only reason to believe MS will win is because of it's headstart, but if you dig a little deeper, you can see the head start has been squandered. Wii is keeping up pace with 360 sales even with shortages, 360 failed to outsell PS2 for practically all of 2006, and worst of all 360 failed to outdo the original Xbox's first year sales - even with no next-gen competition!
So what you're essentially saying is that:
Xbox 360 isn't selling any faster than the Wii. (They aren't beating Nintendo's "underpowered" console.)
Xbox 360 couldn't beat the PS2's sales in 2006. (They couldn't beat Sony's last-gen console.)
Xbox 360 couldn't beat the Xbox's sales in 2001. (They couldn't beat their own last-gen console.)
So, they can't beat anyone's weaker console. That's pretty sad - and the analysts think Microsoft will come out on top?
Post by: KDR_11k on January 05, 2007, 07:29:17 AM
In this case we're seeing all but one major movie company going with Blu-Ray unless they jumped ship lately.
Post by: JonLeung on January 05, 2007, 08:28:06 AM
>_>
<_<
Therefore I have irreversibly associated Betamax with porn, even if history shows that VHS was hornier than Betamax.
Post by: Kairon on January 05, 2007, 09:09:19 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeungQuote
Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Silly analysts. The only reason to believe MS will win is because of it's headstart, but if you dig a little deeper, you can see the head start has been squandered. Wii is keeping up pace with 360 sales even with shortages, 360 failed to outsell PS2 for practically all of 2006, and worst of all 360 failed to outdo the original Xbox's first year sales - even with no next-gen competition!
So what you're essentially saying is that:
Xbox 360 isn't selling any faster than the Wii. (They aren't beating Nintendo's "underpowered" console.)
Xbox 360 couldn't beat the PS2's sales in 2006. (They couldn't beat Sony's last-gen console.)
Xbox 360 couldn't beat the Xbox's sales in 2001. (They couldn't beat their own last-gen console.)
So, they can't beat anyone's weaker console. That's pretty sad - and the analysts think Microsoft will come out on top?
I think analysts are anticipating a much closer race than before, and something more aking to a three-way tie. PS3 will explode out the gates once MGS4 and FF XIII hit, no doubt about it. MS will surge once they drop price and Halo 3 comes out, you can count on that. The Wii is already looking to be strong... With all three systems looking viable, you don't have to be last gen's PS2 to win, you just have to not be last gen's GC or XBox.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: WuTangTurtle on January 05, 2007, 10:17:15 AM
Post by: utarefsoN on January 05, 2007, 11:33:21 AM
Post by: Requiem on January 05, 2007, 12:04:05 PM
Sure, it will help drive some more PS3's home, but at what time? 3,5,10 years down the road?
And furthermore, for a system to be successful, it doesn't need those features. The Nintendo Wii is very successful and for what reason? Blu-ray? HD-DVD? HD-graphics? Nope, none of them. So why is it a concern.
The people have chosen, and they don't want an expensive robust entertainment system. They want a cheap "powerful" videogame system.
Just look at these graphs here
Post by: segagamer12 on January 05, 2007, 12:16:08 PM
Having it or not having never would be a deciding factor for me as far a PS goes because i NEVER bought ps2 and I will NEVER buy a PS3 regardless.
So I can udnerstand why people care if Bluray dies because that way it makes it easier to support HD-dvd and not worry about gowing with the wrong format. But as far as PS goes it is all irrelavent and sony knows that, they are just too stuborn to admit it.
But I wont be getting any HD disks or tvs till latter in the year or even next year, depending on hwo things go, so that will give them both time to get a decentmovie selection to maek the descision easier for me. Even if I chose to go Blu Ray I wont buy a Sony player. Sony sucks so much rigth now I used to love them but now wish them nothign but death and harm.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 05, 2007, 09:51:24 PM
Last I checked all companies supporting HDDVD really belonged to only one parent company while the other "master" companies were on board with Blu-Ray. Not to mention the number of movie companies that just belong to Sony.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 06, 2007, 02:32:06 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeungQuote
Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Silly analysts. The only reason to believe MS will win is because of it's headstart, but if you dig a little deeper, you can see the head start has been squandered. Wii is keeping up pace with 360 sales even with shortages, 360 failed to outsell PS2 for practically all of 2006, and worst of all 360 failed to outdo the original Xbox's first year sales - even with no next-gen competition!
So what you're essentially saying is that:
Xbox 360 isn't selling any faster than the Wii. (They aren't beating Nintendo's "underpowered" console.)
Xbox 360 couldn't beat the PS2's sales in 2006. (They couldn't beat Sony's last-gen console.)
Xbox 360 couldn't beat the Xbox's sales in 2001. (They couldn't beat their own last-gen console.)
So, they can't beat anyone's weaker console. That's pretty sad - and the analysts think Microsoft will come out on top?
All I think this shows is that the price and timing of the Xbox 360 was wrong. As I stated early this generation started a year too early. Possibly 2 years too early. The reason I say 2 years...is because next year you know the Xbox 360 could be made at more reasonable prices...if not an even better machine at a more reasonable game console price. The HD-DVD format would be slightly more established and games could be on those discs providing more memory. Nintendo could of had another year or two to perfect the Wii technology more, and even having a graphically better system that is still cheap.
Oh well. It just wasn't meant to be that way.
Post by: segagamer12 on January 06, 2007, 05:16:57 AM
No your rememebring half right, the reason they didnt watch it wa because Red was showing off his new toy, not becuse of a flaw in betamax, we had beta before vhs and ai sorta rememebr it, even though I was little and didnt understand why our tapes were smaler than my freinds tapes but then we had an 5200 with bigger 'tapes' than his tiny little intelevision 'tapes' so it was all good in the end.
Post by: Ceric on January 07, 2007, 08:48:03 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2007, 10:03:18 AM
Post by: capamerica on January 07, 2007, 10:22:08 AM
Internal HD-DVD = No
MS has gone on record saying that its way to early for them to include a built-in HD-DVD drive do to the fact we still don't know who will win this new format war.
A interesting rumor that has been also going around this week is that Sony might be dropping Blu-Ray from the PS3 and making a DVD based PS3. I think the rumor is very unlikely cause if Sony were to do that they would have to admit defeat in the Next Gen media war. They might be able to save the PS3 but it would kill Blu-Ray. And if Blu-Ray was killed then they would piss off all the studios that have been backing Blu-Ray and they would be forced to admit that Blu-Ray was NOT needed for games. There would be a ton backlash if they removed Blu-Ray and you would have a ton of people mad at Sony, not only the Movie Studios but also the Game Developers and even the Sony fanboys who bought the PS3 already.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2007, 10:50:16 AM
Besides Sony would become become the laughing stock of the electronics industry. And trust me it would be their LAST failed format, cause Sony would more or less just not exist in the eyes of content providers or would've been hardware co-investors.
Post by: segagamer12 on January 07, 2007, 12:31:02 PM
Post by: Artimus on January 07, 2007, 01:23:16 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 08, 2007, 03:59:43 AM
MS powering up the 360 could happen but I don't see it adding a standard HD-DVD drive any time soon since Blu-ray doesn't seem to be a selling point for PS3. A bigger hard drive or HDMI, maybe. The bigger hard drive goes with both companies' ambitions to create a set-top box.
Honestly, I think both companies are too focused on competing. It's all about one-upping each other: more power, more features, more marketing, more money. Even Microsoft's somewhat admirable attempts to fill in gaps in its game lineup are focused on competition: Blue Dragon is a direct shot at PS2's strongest genre. For all the money and effort put into that game, it will probably take a loss and it won't convince anyone that 360 is suddenly a better system for RPGs than PS3.
Meanwhile, Nintendo is looking at how to make the gaming experience more pleasing for consumers. Some hardcore gamers aren't impressed, but tons of non-gamers are. The challenge isn't to outdo Sony or Microsoft anymore, it's to please the customer. For Microsoft, it doesn't matter if only 15% of its customers actually want an HD-DVD player, it must have one just to compete with Sony. For Nintendo, basically 100% of its customers want the Wiimote, and if Nintendo creates a feature that not everyone wants, it's dirt-cheap (like the Weather Channel or the Opera Browser).
Post by: KDR_11k on January 08, 2007, 04:15:37 AM
The 360 IS a better system for RPGs. It may only have Blue Dragon but how much does the PS3 have? Sure, they get Final Fantasy in a few years but if the PS3 keeps stumbling along like it does now it might lose even that.
Post by: Ages on January 08, 2007, 05:43:23 AM
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LMAO, in their CES keynote Sony stated that they have shipped 1 million PS3s. Not hard to believe. They also claim they reached this number faster than either PS1 or PS2. Impossible to believe. Especially consider they sold 900,000 their first week in Japan (says Wikipedia) and shipped 2 million in their first month and a half says (says Sony themselves).
Not only did they ship 1 million systems Artimus, but they shipped 1 million systems to the US lol
Post by: couchmonkey on January 08, 2007, 05:50:47 AM
I think 360 could turn around and become a better system for RPGs than PS3, but it's going to take way more than Blue Dragon. The lucky thing for Microsoft is that Sony has screwed up so badly that there's now a real chance of companies like Square Enix porting major games to Xbox 360.
Post by: trip1eX on January 08, 2007, 10:36:26 AM
Right now it's not attractive because of lack of games and any appeal Hi-Def DVDs will have is in its infancy.
Post by: segagamer12 on January 08, 2007, 03:59:50 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 08, 2007, 06:18:53 PM
Sony's problem is that everyone is waiting and it doesn't look like they'll get what they're waiting for anytime soon.
Post by: Arbok on January 08, 2007, 07:19:11 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Sony's problem is that everyone is waiting and it doesn't look like they'll get what they're waiting for anytime soon.
Exactly. If people aren't buying the releases in the mean time, then it gives studios little incentive to sign up, for those that haven't, or release very many titles if they aren't making as much revenue as they could with further releases on DVD or another format. It also gives stores little reason to allot the format much store room, although considering how large the UMD section was, and for so long, that will probably take longer to kick in.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 09, 2007, 02:40:35 AM
The price is the big problem, and I can't see how to fix it without losing tons of money or rejecting Blu-ray. I guess if I was in charge, I'd go for a Blu-rayless PS3. Maybe a Blu-ray playing version could be available at the current price, but the games would all go back to DVD. It would cheese my partners off, but it could mean the difference between one of Sony's biggest brands failing or succeeding.
Actually, if I was in charge of Sony I might consider swallowing my pride and see if I could liscence the Wii's controller technology....but would that really be worth it? I'm not selling PS3 to any non-gamers at the current price, it would just give me a slight edge against Microsoft. Better than no edge, maybe...
It's a really tight spot!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2007, 04:15:17 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 09, 2007, 04:53:15 AM
I really think Sony killed their chances with the price tag and there's no real way for them to get back on top other than hoping for a miracle (or really, REALLY dumb consumers* that buy anything called Playstation because they think it'll have the biggest library just from that name but I don't think there are enough of those to give Sony first place again).
I mean, Sony doesn't just have to prove that their console is better than the others (which ATM they're failing at), they have to prove that their console is so much better that it even makes up for the price tag. Even if the PS3 and 360 were equally good the 360 would win because it's more cost effective.
*=I usually hate that term but when we're talking about people buying a console hoping for something that minimal research would show them isn't going to happen just because of the brand name...
Post by: Ceric on January 09, 2007, 05:35:35 AM
If you told me that I could get a 360 that would:
1) Play 360 games
2) Interact with Zune Marketplace
3) Stream Media from my computer
4) Had a 120 GB harddrive to let me use as a file server for said media
5) Play HD-DVD movies
6) Came w/ wireless, component cables, and the controller being wireless
All for the price of the current premium price I ask you where I could buy it. At that point though I would assume that the current premium would become the core system. Which would not be a bad thing.
That be a deal for me. It justify me 360 existance for the few games I want for it.
Post by: darknight06 on January 09, 2007, 05:40:20 AM
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The price is the big problem, and I can't see how to fix it without losing tons of money or rejecting Blu-ray. I guess if I was in charge, I'd go for a Blu-rayless PS3. Maybe a Blu-ray playing version could be available at the current price, but the games would all go back to DVD. It would cheese my partners off, but it could mean the difference between one of Sony's biggest brands failing or succeeding.
The entire idea of the PS3 is to be the ultimate home media hub, not a game console. It's also being made to rival the PC which is the ONLY reason Microsoft is in the game industry. For them to give up Blu-Ray would mean Microsoft would've scored another fairly significant victory against them, the first score being from getting Ken Kutargi demoted. Sony really doesn't have any real choice here, they want to finish their original disruption plans they had since the PS1. Making a more affordable console for gamers by cutting Blu-ray ain't gonna do it. They might get more sales out of it, but you better believe there would be a serious press backlash from it, not to mention that Microsoft would've effectively defended the PC market and Direct-X from invasion meaning Sony still loses.
Post by: Kairon on January 09, 2007, 06:12:55 AM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 09, 2007, 06:13:17 AM
Post by: JonLeung on January 09, 2007, 06:26:04 AM
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Originally posted by: KaironSony has to beat MS to the punch with games. If they can deliver on the promise of such titles as God Of War 3, Heavenly Sword, MGS4 and FFXIII before MS can cut 'em off with Alan Wake and Halo 3, then they'll be fine.
I don't know if "fine" is the right word for it. They'll be better off with good (read: hyped and popular) games like the ones you mentioned, but there's enough negative press at launch that I don't think they'll fully recover. Most of the negative press is stuff like "Is the PS3 worth it?" so unless there's a significant price drop for the machine in addition to some good games, it still won't be. And a price cut is unlikely...if they're losing a couple hundred (at least) on each PS3, do they really want to lose more per unit AND sell them faster?
The day-by-day viral interest in the Wii certainly doesn't help Sony, either. Halo 3 will probably come out before FF XIII - wasn't Halo 3 originally supposed to come out the same day as the PS3?
As big as Sony makes themselves out to be, I think it's safe to say that PS3 dominance will never happen.
Go ahead and laugh at me in a few years if they do smarten up and save themselves. I'd hate to be the person at Sony hired to fix up what is already screwed up.
Post by: SixthAngel on January 09, 2007, 06:35:01 AM
Overall I don't expect the 360 or the ps3 to have many exclusives outside of first parties. The ps3 will probably have a few more because they will actually have some sort of presence in Japan so they will pick up a couple of extras. The 360 will be extremely lacking in japanese style games that they didn't essentially pay for entirely (blue dragon). The deciding factor between the two sytems will be price (with live and the expensive add-ons its not different enough for me at least) and whether people want more pc shooters and halo or if they want ff13 and sonys first parties like the makers of shadow of the colossus.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 09, 2007, 07:37:38 AM
If Sony can keep it's big exclusives exclusive that'll help for sure, but I think Sony is ultimately pretty screwed. PS3 may still do moderately well, but I can't see Sony taking first this generation without some drastic, unlikely changes.
Post by: Ceric on January 09, 2007, 08:37:28 AM
Post by: denjet78 on January 09, 2007, 09:54:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
SixthAngel by your reasoning the Gamecube should have been THE Resident Evil 4 box and THE Viewtiful Joe Box but it wasn't. Time exclusivity can never rival true exclusivity.
Capcom is, now how can I put this, retarded beyond all comprehension. According to Wikipedia RE4 on GC sold around 1.5 million copies while RE4 on PS2 sold around 2 million. Considering Capcom did almost everything they could do to kill possible GC sales of the game, even going so far as to annouce a PS2 port of the "absolutely, positively exclusive" GC game a few scant weeks before it released, doesn't anyone else think its odd that a system with what was supposed to be 4 to 5 times the installed userbase was only able to sell a scant half million more copies? It's almost assured that the GC version of the game would have sold even better had exclusivity not been broken until a few months after the game had been released. As it is I'm impressed the GC version sold more that a half million copies given how Capcom was treating it.
And then there's Viewtiful Joe which when they ported to the PS2 absolutely flopped compared to the GC numbers. So they release the sequal on both systems at the same time, only to see the same sales situation. The game does well on GC but gets absolutely slaughtered on the PS2. To put it bluntly, the GC "was" the system for RE4 and Viewtiful Joe. Sales numbers prove that. And they would have been even higher had Capcom not had such a stick up their butt for their "glorious" PS2. Even when porting games to the system basically killed them, they still kept it up.
Or do I need to bring up Killer7 as well? If one game appeared as if it would have benefited from a PS2 port. And yet once again, sales numbers proved the exact opposite. I don't think Capcom will ever admit it though. I mean, to actually come out and say that they were wrong? It's never going to happen.
Post by: SixthAngel on January 09, 2007, 01:26:20 PM
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SixthAngel by your reasoning the Gamecube should have been THE Resident Evil 4 box and THE Viewtiful Joe Box but it wasn't. Time exclusivity can never rival true exclusivity.
As the person above me said the timed exclusivity did help the GC game get far more hype then the ps2 version. That is also with the exclusivity announced broken before release.
RE4 is a single game in a franchise that jumped all over the different systems. I am looking more at GTA San Andreas as an example. It came out on the xbox 7 months after the ps2 but if you asked most anyone what to buy if you want to play gta they would say ps2. It has a long history with sony consoles and a substantial exclusivity deal that means few people would care when it reached the xbox besides current owners. I remember a lot of hype for ps2 but I wasn't even sure which gta the xbox had recieved until I looked it up.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 09, 2007, 10:09:51 PM
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It didnt. Sony lied again. That award was for the ps2's dual shock 2 controller, not for the sixaxis.
How did the PS2's dual shock 2 controller win? The N64 controller with a joystick nub and rumble pak were revealed LONG before Sony's dual shock. From what I gathered this award was for innovation or something, and I see nothing innovative about the DS2 besides MAYBE the second analog stick, but that pales in comparison to N64 actually implementing the stick FIRST along with rumble.
Post by: JonLeung on January 10, 2007, 02:06:19 AM
I remember people making a big deal that Splinter Cell sold better than Metroid Prime at first, even when I was pretty sure it was common knowledge that Splinter Cell wouldn't always be on just the Xbox. In fact, it would even make it onto the GameCube.
People make a big deal about Final Fantasy and consider it a PlayStation franchise. But the PC soon got VII & VIII, and it even got XI shortly before the PS2 did, and later XI also came to the Xbox 360. Excluding the side story games and spinoffs, that means IX is the only PSX one, and X and XII are the only PS2 ones. That's three games out of twelve are actually exclusive, that's only a quarter of the main games. It could be less than a quarter since XIII is not guaranteed to stay on only the PS3. How does one-quarter (or less) of a franchise equate the franchise with one brand of consoles? (In fact, half of the series debuted on the NES/Famicom and Super NES/Super Famicom!)
By that logic, Nintendo should be the home of Metal Gear, since it has the original Metal Gear and the definitive version of Metal Gear Solid in the Twin Snakes version. Sure, we don't have Sons Of Liberty, Snake Eater, and are unlikely to get Guns Of The Patriots, but even if we counted the "real" Metal Gear 2 on the MSX (which I don't think the PSX has any version of), Nintendo has one third of the Metal Gears. If one-quarter of FFs is exclusively on the PlayStations and known for it, it's actually less ridiculous to claim Metal Gear as a Nintendo franchise since Nintendo has one-third of it. (Well, Snake IS in SSB:B, which actually came to me as an afterthought to this point.)
Timed exclusivity, but moreso marketing and the prospect of future sequels, is what destroys what I think should be pretty good logic above. You hear more about a game when it's new, so when FF VII and FF VIII were hot on the PSX, that cemented it in the minds of gamers that modern FFs somehow "belonged" there - and most (stupid) people didn't care about pre-VII FFs. The Twin Snakes was well after the original MGS which was revolutionary at the time and the GameCube wasn't getting any sequels so everyone believed the PlayStation was the place for MGS, disregarding the PC ports of Solid and Solid 2: Substance (which also ended up on the Xbox).
Viewtiful Joe and RE4 are a different story - the PS2 was too far ahead. I still think it was pretty idiotic for Capcom to announce the PS2 port of RE4 just BEFORE the GCN version came out. Dumb, dumb, dumb. RE4 was on everyone's radar, PS2 fans were considering GameCubes just for that, then while they have everyone's attention, Capcom goes "oh, don't worry, we decided to put it on your beloved PS2s as well." Timing came into play there too.
No one operates on pure logic, unfortunately, so mention FF and even you would probably still think "PlayStation", not "PlayStation and PC". Mention MGS and you will probably think "PlayStation", not "PlayStation and Xbox and GameCube and PC." But, mention RE4 and you will probably think "GameCube AND PlayStation 2" and not just "GameCube". Sheesh.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 10, 2007, 02:56:47 AM
But I think exclusives (timed or not) are a little over-rated anyway. When Sega and Nintendo were running a really close race in the 90s, every big game counted, but the past 10 years have demonstrated that big games can't turn things around when there's a clear leader. What if Resident Evil 4 had been totally exclusive? Based on the PS2 sales mentioned on the previous page, up to 2 million people might have bought a GameCube for this game. So what? GameCube would have 24 million users instead of 22 million, and Sony would still be well over 100 million. It's laughable.
A successful console needs third party support on its side, you can worry about the exclusives after that's taken care of.
Edit: Oh, and LOL at the entire Emmy thing. Why are the Emmys sticking their noses into video games in the first place?
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 10, 2007, 04:44:46 AM
Think of this...the only reason Nintendo has survived is people enjoy to play Nintendo games. Every Nintendo game is exclusive to Nintendo.
Without those games Nintendo would have been dead. The Nintendo 64 and Gamecube would have been complete flops.
Now, Nintendo is pushing forward, and the exclusive games and exclusive controls for ports are what is going to help Nintendo succeed in the future.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 10, 2007, 06:23:46 AM
Yes but individual exclusives rarely matter, it's the mass of them that makes a platform.
Post by: MaryJane on January 10, 2007, 11:55:30 AM
Anyway, I heard something recently that I know can't be true. the SIXAXIS uses special batteries that can't be recharged and can only be replaced by ordering them from Sony.
Surely Sony can't be that stupid.
Post by: denjet78 on January 10, 2007, 12:59:25 PM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
This is the 1,267 post in this thread, obviously we love to hate on sony!
Anyway, I heard something recently that I know can't be true. the SIXAXIS uses special batteries that can't be recharged and can only be replaced by ordering them from Sony.
Surely Sony can't be that stupid.
Um... DUH! Sony's E-V-I-L remember?
Anyway, the battery in the PS3 controller are like the battery in the DS/GBA SP. But, unlike the DS/GBA SP you're never supposed to be able to replace them. Sony isn't going to sell replacements. When the battery goes bad you're supposed to throw your controller away and just buy a new one.
Now that, my friend, is evil.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on January 10, 2007, 02:16:25 PM
(SONY) Oh my god, I can't believe it we beat the Wii controller! I want to thank mom, dad, god....
....The Dualshock.
(SONY) whoops!
http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/sony-whoops-dualshock-not-sixaxis-won-emmy-227799.php
hehe, Sony u just reminded me of that Faith Hill incident only Faith Hill was just joking around (she claims atleast). Funniest thing is that the Dualshock wins an award yet it probably shouldn't be allowed to be nominated due to the legal problems it suffered.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 11, 2007, 01:19:25 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 11, 2007, 03:47:48 AM
As of right now, PS3 still has a lot of third-party support but it seems like games are being ported to 360 or cancelled on a weekly basis. (Speaking of which, IGN says Konami has cancelled 4 PS3 games and 2 Wii games, leaving 3 for PS3 and 4 for Wii.
Post by: vudu on January 11, 2007, 06:00:09 AM
QuoteThat sucks; I was really looking forward to New Action Adventure Game 2 (Wii) and Role Playing Game (Wii).
Originally posted by: couchmonkey
(Speaking of which, IGN says Konami has cancelled 4 PS3 games and 2 Wii games, leaving 3 for PS3 and 4 for Wii.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 11, 2007, 06:15:36 AM
Post by: Ceric on January 11, 2007, 07:59:03 AM
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Originally posted by: denjet78Quote
Originally posted by: Ceric
SixthAngel by your reasoning the Gamecube should have been THE Resident Evil 4 box and THE Viewtiful Joe Box but it wasn't. Time exclusivity can never rival true exclusivity.
Capcom is, now how can I put this, retarded beyond all comprehension. According to Wikipedia RE4 on GC sold around 1.5 million copies while RE4 on PS2 sold around 2 million. Considering Capcom did almost everything they could do to kill possible GC sales of the game, even going so far as to annouce a PS2 port of the "absolutely, positively exclusive" GC game a few scant weeks before it released, doesn't anyone else think its odd that a system with what was supposed to be 4 to 5 times the installed userbase was only able to sell a scant half million more copies? It's almost assured that the GC version of the game would have sold even better had exclusivity not been broken until a few months after the game had been released. As it is I'm impressed the GC version sold more that a half million copies given how Capcom was treating it.
And then there's Viewtiful Joe which when they ported to the PS2 absolutely flopped compared to the GC numbers. So they release the sequal on both systems at the same time, only to see the same sales situation. The game does well on GC but gets absolutely slaughtered on the PS2. To put it bluntly, the GC "was" the system for RE4 and Viewtiful Joe. Sales numbers prove that. And they would have been even higher had Capcom not had such a stick up their butt for their "glorious" PS2. Even when porting games to the system basically killed them, they still kept it up.
Or do I need to bring up Killer7 as well? If one game appeared as if it would have benefited from a PS2 port. And yet once again, sales numbers proved the exact opposite. I don't think Capcom will ever admit it though. I mean, to actually come out and say that they were wrong? It's never going to happen.
I'll read beyond this in a minute I wanted to address this right away. When you talke to someone about Viewtiful Joe or RE4 do they automatically go "that game for the Gamecube right?" No, they think about how it flopped on the PS2 comparatively. I don't consider a system to be "the" system for a game unles when you mention it to someone that they automatically assume the version your talking about, which in this cape would be the Cube. Now when I start talking say Halo do you have to wonder if I mean the PC or the XBox version? No you automatically assume the XBox version.
How about Starcraft? PC or Console version? You assume the PC Version.
This is what I'm talking about. Those franchises are indellibly linked to a platform. A definitive version is generally known. You can only be the system if in the common frame of mind that people think that your platform is the definitive one and other are not Canon. Thats what I was getting at. GCN could have in theory 3.5 million sales of the game and the better Nuby chainsaw controller.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 11, 2007, 09:14:23 AM
But that's mostly because PC gamers don't bother with Halo. Both of the examples you listed for "definitive platform" are still alive and widely played on one platform while being practically dead on the other.
Post by: segagamer12 on January 11, 2007, 03:18:47 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2007, 12:10:14 AM
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Gameinformer:What about the PS3?
Gabe Newell: The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a "do over". Just say, "This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it". The happy story is the Wii. I'm betting that by Christmas of next year, the Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I'm crazy. I really like everything that Nintendo is doing.
Remember that HL2
is still coming to PS3, and the direct views and opinions of Newell don't necessarily reflect those of Valve as a whole. I also hope that he is crazy enough to put some support behing the horse he's betting on .
Post by: denjet78 on January 14, 2007, 04:14:01 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Remember that HL2
I remember quite a few developers chatting up the GC and then never actually making any games for it so I wouldn't put too much weight behind these types of statements. Nintendo will most likely have to single handedly conquer the market on their own before developers will take them seriously again, and then they'll whine about how Nintendo has too much power and STILL only make games for Sony and MS. They're in a no win situation honestly.
Post by: Jin-X on January 14, 2007, 06:34:03 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2007, 07:06:57 AM
Post by: IceCold on January 14, 2007, 03:42:47 PM
QuoteYeah, just look at the DS.. some developers are still not on board..
I remember quite a few developers chatting up the GC and then never actually making any games for it so I wouldn't put too much weight behind these types of statements. Nintendo will most likely have to single handedly conquer the market on their own before developers will take them seriously again, and then they'll whine about how Nintendo has too much power and STILL only make games for Sony and MS. They're in a no win situation honestly.
Post by: segagamer12 on January 15, 2007, 04:27:55 AM
Post by: denjet78 on January 15, 2007, 06:43:39 AM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteYeah, just look at the DS.. some developers are still not on board..
I remember quite a few developers chatting up the GC and then never actually making any games for it so I wouldn't put too much weight behind these types of statements. Nintendo will most likely have to single handedly conquer the market on their own before developers will take them seriously again, and then they'll whine about how Nintendo has too much power and STILL only make games for Sony and MS. They're in a no win situation honestly.
I was exaggerating the situation but it still stands. The DS is just Nintendo's continued domination of the handheld realm. The Wii, on the other hand, is following what most consider to be two failed home consoles, which is going up against the PS3 from Sony who has been the undisputed console champ for two generations by a MASSIVE amount. The DS got a certain amount of support by default. The Wii will not. If sales start to dip too much 3rd parties will shy from the system. Everyone has come into this generation expecting the PS3 to be the dominate console as well, and so they're acting as if it already is. Nintendo is going to have to sell this system hard before 3rd parties are going to muster up much real support.
Post by: IceCold on January 15, 2007, 06:50:49 AM
Post by: Arbok on January 15, 2007, 07:56:55 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
I was actually being serious there - the DS deserves a lot more 3rd party love than it's getting. Regardless of the fact that it was the successor to the GBA, Nintendo built the DS from the ground up with little help from third parties.
Yep, exactly. I mean, look at Konami and Capcom, both of them are supporting the PSP much more than the DS, despite sales of the latter.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 15, 2007, 10:27:44 AM
I'm sure the Game Boy's history helped DS out a little bit, but DS is essentially built on first-party games: Brain Age, New Super Mario Bros, Nintendogs and Animal Crossing put any other DS title to shame in terms of sales.
Meanwhile, Sony is admitting what we already suspected: PS3's sales are below expectations and even though they're catching up to demand, they still only expect to sell 4.5 million by March, or 3/4 of their original target - further proof that brand names won't save you from crappy decision making in the video game market.
Post by: Hocotate on January 15, 2007, 12:23:27 PM
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Originally posted by: denjet78
The Wii, on the other hand, is following what most consider to be two failed home consoles, which is going up against the PS3 from Sony who has been the undisputed console champ for two generations by a MASSIVE amount. .... Everyone has come into this generation expecting the PS3 to be the dominate console as well, and so they're acting as if it already is. Nintendo is going to have to sell this system hard before 3rd parties are going to muster up much real support.
reminds me of something....
The Playstation, on the other hand, is following what most consider to be no recognition in home consoles whatsoever, which is going up against the N64 from Nintendo who has been the undisputed console champ for two generations by a MASSIVE amount. .... Everyone has come into this generation expecting the N64 to be the dominate console as well, and so they're acting as if it already is. Sony is going to have to sell this system hard before 3rd parties are going to muster up much real support.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2007, 01:10:35 PM
QuoteDon't forget that Square had announced the next FF (FFVII) for the N64, but then to everyones surprise, they switched the system* that is was to be released on.
Originally posted by: HocotateQuote
Originally posted by: denjet78
The Wii, on the other hand, is following what most consider to be two failed home consoles, which is going up against the PS3 from Sony who has been the undisputed console champ for two generations by a MASSIVE amount. .... Everyone has come into this generation expecting the PS3 to be the dominate console as well, and so they're acting as if it already is. Nintendo is going to have to sell this system hard before 3rd parties are going to muster up much real support.
reminds me of something....
The Playstation, on the other hand, is following what most consider to be no recognition in home consoles whatsoever, which is going up against the N64 from Nintendo who has been the undisputed console champ for two generations by a MASSIVE amount. .... Everyone has come into this generation expecting the N64 to be the dominate console as well, and so they're acting as if it already is. Sony is going to have to sell this system hard before 3rd parties are going to muster up much real support.
*It could still happen, but I think is just as good if not better that they are already pimping DQ out to all Nintendo systems as we speak.
Post by: MysticGohan on January 15, 2007, 01:45:34 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 16, 2007, 05:19:36 AM
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Originally posted by: HocotateQuote
Originally posted by: denjet78
The Wii, on the other hand, is following what most consider to be two failed home consoles, which is going up against the PS3 from Sony who has been the undisputed console champ for two generations by a MASSIVE amount. .... Everyone has come into this generation expecting the PS3 to be the dominate console as well, and so they're acting as if it already is. Nintendo is going to have to sell this system hard before 3rd parties are going to muster up much real support.
reminds me of something....
The Playstation, on the other hand, is following what most consider to be no recognition in home consoles whatsoever, which is going up against the N64 from Nintendo who has been the undisputed console champ for two generations by a MASSIVE amount. .... Everyone has come into this generation expecting the N64 to be the dominate console as well, and so they're acting as if it already is. Sony is going to have to sell this system hard before 3rd parties are going to muster up much real support.
To further elaborate on this point. The Nintendo 64 failed because the cartridge medium was more costly to manufacture than the CD format causing many developers to avoid the high costs of working on Nintendo's system.
The same can be true about the PS3. The Blu-Ray format and the PS3 development process in general is much more expensive than working on the Wii or Xbox 360. For this reason, smaller developers may decide that PS3 isn't worth the investment risks...however, the Wii is worth such risks.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2007, 05:41:16 AM
Why does Sony do this? Is this retaliation for Betamax? Is Sony trying to make a point "That the Porn Industry does not help decide a winner in the 'Format Wars'."? Why wouldn't Sony want Porn on BRD? They supported them using UMD (well more like forced from what I heard) and UMD still failed. Is this retaliation for UMD? You can't blame Porn for UMD failing, it was just too expensive of a format to only have one type of player for. But anyway, back to the original question, why would Sony do this?
Post by: vudu on January 16, 2007, 05:52:17 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 16, 2007, 06:09:02 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2007, 06:17:46 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Can you try again without the typos? I think you're trying to say Sony said that the porn industry cannot produce content on Blu-ray
I can't believe that I let that many typos slip by...
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 16, 2007, 07:21:36 AM
Seriously, porn is the entire reason any media format has EVER propagated, VHS, DVD, the internet...
I think Sony is actually TRYING to kill itself.
Post by: MaryJane on January 16, 2007, 08:46:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Wow, Sony just killed BR...
Seriously, porn is the entire reason any media format has EVER propagated, VHS, DVD, the internet...
I think Sony is actually TRYING to kill itself.
So you somehow perfected time travel and stole my exact post, (except I wouldnt have used propagated) why not use your knowledge to play the stock market or find a way to defeat Sony once and for all? Or perhaps you already know this is going to happen.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 16, 2007, 08:49:43 AM
My experience in stocks has ended in nothing but failure, sadly.But it's not like I'm saying anything that isn't plainly evident already. Even most (former) Sony fans read a statement like "no porn on BR" and THEY have no choice but to realize that Sony is indeed crashing and burning.
Post by: segagamer12 on January 16, 2007, 05:29:35 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 22, 2007, 05:35:28 AM
Sony Public Relations phailure: marketing execs contradict themselves, shady shipment numbers, and MotorStorm resolution promises
Post by: KDR_11k on January 22, 2007, 06:18:05 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 22, 2007, 08:21:39 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Yet more evidence that the PS3 is no better than the 360 hardware-wise.
I'm not surprised because from what I understand they both use different architectures and it is really quite hard to say which is "better". If there is any major difference in visuals down the line, it will be less than the gap between GC and XBox in visuals.
Post by: Louieturkey on January 22, 2007, 01:54:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Wow, Sony just killed BR...
Seriously, porn is the entire reason any media format has EVER propagated, VHS, DVD, the internet...
I think Sony is actually TRYING to kill itself.
The fact that this isn't true at all is something. Sony never said they couldn't make bluray discs, it's just that there are very few replicators at the moment. Of course, there are already porn movies on bluray in Japan. Read here for more info about it.
Post by: capamerica on January 22, 2007, 04:56:52 PM
The Blu-ray Disc Association is not anti-Porn, But Sony themselves are.
Sony can threaten to pull a manufactures license, But if the manufacture wanted to fight it Sony would lose since Sony does not have final say in it.
There is also the chance that Sony made a threat to them in another area, Maybe Sony is funding the manufacturer or they could be renting the hardware to them for the disc replications, Sony in that sense has pull there as well. Sony did in fact do something to get the manufacturer to deny manufacturing of adult movies. That is true.
The Adult movies in Japan is also a tricky thing as well, It could very well be that these movies were not made in Japan and were in fact duplicated in China. China doesn't need the 'okay' to manufacture movies, once they get the means to make copies then do what every they want. Just look at all the really nice pirated movies you can buy from over there. They look like the real thing, but there a hell of a lot cheaper. Where else can you buy $600 worth of DVD box sets for only $100. Unlike the US in Japan those movies are a lot easier to find in stores so It wouldn't surprise me that the adult movies were made over there. The porn UMD movies were done in a similar way, Japan had them but they weren't made in Japan, The US has 1 adult UMD movie and it too wasn't made in Japan or the US. They can find work arounds but their not always "leget"
What ever Sony has been doing to keep Porn off the UMD could be the same way they are keeping Porn off of Blu-Ray, if they have any really pull in the situation is another story and the only real way to find that out would be for someone to want to release a porn movie on Blu-Ray and then actually bring it to the Blu-ray Disc Association when they are told that Sony won't allow it.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 23, 2007, 12:13:13 AM
Sony is claiming their system is better because it handles higher resolutions at better framerates. Turns out it handles the same resolutions and framerates as the 360, nothing better. As such we had a claim that the PS3 is better (and I think some people still believe that) as well as the proof that it isn't.
Also from what I heard from developers the PS3 hardware is so restrictive to use and has bottlenecks that games on the PS3 will have to use fewer system ressources than on the 360. While the visible difference may be small (now) it appears to be pretty big under the hood. Not specs wise but what you can actually use. And neither system can really handle HD well.
Post by: SixthAngel on January 23, 2007, 04:58:48 AM
Post by: Artimus on January 23, 2007, 05:46:16 AM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
I don't know much about specs but I do know that PS3 launch games look better then the xbox launch games I have seen, so that bodes well for the inevitable improvements. The difference in graphics will still be as tiny if not less then they were last gen so who cares?
Numerous comparisons showed this to be untrue.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 23, 2007, 06:11:36 AM
People who were deceived by Sony into thinking that the PS3 is vastly better than any other hardware out there and it'll just take a few months until that full potential gets used and all third parties make only PS3 exclusive games?
Post by: utarefsoN on January 23, 2007, 07:31:53 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 23, 2007, 08:02:31 AM
Kind of like Quinn and her tiny pores.
Post by: Arbok on January 23, 2007, 08:26:21 AM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
porn actress are mostly ugly in the first place, having every little detail made into high def doesn't sound like a good idea.
Don't worry, someone will rush in with a Bloom style effect of blurring the image, and adding glow to the footage...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 23, 2007, 08:44:09 AM
So, which HD format is now best?
Whatever format you save your HD content rips to.
=D
Post by: vudu on January 24, 2007, 12:05:50 AM
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Sony Corp., the world's largest maker of game consoles, said its PlayStation unit will develop games with Namco Bandai Holdings Inc. to help take share from Microsoft Corp. and Nintendo Co.
Post by: Galford on January 24, 2007, 12:52:22 AM
Whether or not this is another Game Developers Studio shall be seen.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 24, 2007, 12:55:35 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Are things turning around for Sony? Sony and Namco Bandia to form Cellius Inc.Quote
Sony Corp., the world's largest maker of game consoles, said its PlayStation unit will develop games with Namco Bandai Holdings Inc. to help take share from Microsoft Corp. and Nintendo Co.
This sort of thing has happened before, and a great deal of the time it ends in failure.
The best example of this is Capcom's infamous set of GC exclusives. They made a big deal that these games would sell systems, and you know what happened...None of them stayed exclusive for long.
So even if the PS3 ends up getting some really good Namco exclusives, chances are some of them will be ported to either the Wii or the 360 due to high development costs.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 24, 2007, 02:59:14 AM
Post by: Arbok on January 24, 2007, 03:18:44 AM
Post by: capamerica on January 24, 2007, 04:47:54 AM
All this is saying really is that Namco is going to make some games that use the Cell chip in them. Most likely arcade games.
This smells like the same thing that happen with the TriForce alience. You remeber that right? When Nintendo, Namco and Sega all joined up to make the Triforce arcade system board. All Nintendo got out of that was Star Fox Assault, F-Zero GX and Virtua Striker 2002.
If memory serves me didn't Sony do a similar thing with the Emotion Engine?
Post by: darknight06 on January 24, 2007, 04:52:23 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 24, 2007, 08:54:46 AM
Now that Nintendo has Square RPGs coming back to their hardware, we don't need Namco's (but will probably have them anyway, knowing how port-happy Namco is).
Post by: segagamer12 on January 24, 2007, 09:34:39 AM
Post by: Hocotate on January 24, 2007, 08:49:33 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2007, 05:47:57 PM
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International Business Times) - Growing signs of weaker demand for Sony's new Playstation 3 video game system may be impacting some of its design partners, a new report indicates, with graphics system provider Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA), feeling Wall-Street heat today.
A series of reports last week pointed to longer than expected shelf-time for Sony's Playstation 3 video-game console, as well growing inventories across the country, raising concern about possible slower demand for the new system.
Santa-Clara Calif.-based Nvidia, which provides the technology behind the system's advanced graphics and special effects, may take a hit as a result of the slowdown.
"Although poor manufacturing yields on Blu-Ray diodes were the initial cause of PS3 unit constraints at retailers, we have seen evidence of weaker-than-expected consumer demand as availability has improved, likely stemming form overly high prices at retailers and a lack of compelling game titles."
Sony royalties garnered by Nvidia from the PS3 build are expected to be the primary driver of Nvidia’s gross-margin expansion in fiscal 2008," Michael McConnell, semiconductor analysts of Pacific Crest said.
Shares of Nvidia closed down $1.29, or 4.10 percent, to $30.18 in Monday trading on the Nasdaq Stock Exchange.
Misery loves company, and Sony is hosting this get-together. I could feel bad for Nvidia, but I don't.
I wonder if any other PS3 partners are affected as much by riding so heavily on the success of the PS3?
edit: and since I dug up this thread, and attempted to revive it I might as well post this too.
Sony Profit May Fall 50% on PlayStation 3
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Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world's largest maker of video-game players, may report third-quarter profit fell 50 percent after its flagship PlayStation 3 lost market share to Nintendo Co.'s Wii. {I thought Wii & PS3 were not competing for the same market?}
The results may highlight Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer's failure to fend off Nintendo, whose $250 Wii console outsells the PlayStation 3 by two-to-one. Sony may still exceed its full-year profit target because of a weaker yen, sales of Bravia televisions and growth at its movie unit.{I thought Nintendo was not competition?}
Shares of Sony have risen 9.6 percent in the past six months, trailing the 61 percent gain by Nintendo and Xbox 360-maker Microsoft Corp.'s 26 percent increase. Today, Sony's stock fell 1.2 percent to close at 5,730 yen in Tokyo.
Wii Wins
After botching the PS3's debut with production delays and cutting the price to compete against cheaper Wii and Xbox players, Sony will probably lose a record 191.9 billion yen from games this fiscal year, compared with profit of 8.7 billion yen the previous year, according to the Bloomberg survey.
Nintendo, the world's largest handheld game maker, last week reported profit in its latest quarter jumped 40 percent to 77.6 billion yen, fueled by demand for Wii consoles and portable DS game players.
In the U.S., Nintendo sold 1.1 million consoles in November and December, almost double the PlayStation 3 units shipped during the period, according to researcher NPD Group. In Japan, Nintendo sold 989,118 Wii units last year, more than double PlayStation 3 sales, according to researcher Enterbrain Inc.
Ouch, now thats how you rub salt in an open wound.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 29, 2007, 08:14:25 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 30, 2007, 01:35:22 AM
Post by: MaryJane on January 30, 2007, 04:19:20 AM
Yeah I wish for the death of Sony (as a video game maker) also, but I like NVidia.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2007, 06:03:17 AM
I just don't like the idea of MS vs. Nintendo without any buffer...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 30, 2007, 06:46:46 AM
Post by: Ceric on January 30, 2007, 07:16:39 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 30, 2007, 07:36:19 AM
Post by: Kairon on January 30, 2007, 07:42:46 AM
Then SCREW them.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Khushrenada on January 30, 2007, 09:00:26 AM
Post by: Ceric on January 31, 2007, 04:26:01 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 31, 2007, 08:42:36 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 31, 2007, 09:29:20 AM
On subject: I wonder how much Sony is reallying losing on the PS3. I don't know if I believe that $300.00 per console figure...but if they cut the price could they make it up in software sales? Did Microsoft with the Xbox ever make it up in software sales?
Post by: Ceric on January 31, 2007, 10:25:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
CouchMonkey: Your user pick reminds me of the chick from twilight Princess.
On subject: I wonder how much Sony is reallying losing on the PS3. I don't know if I believe that $300.00 per console figure...but if they cut the price could they make it up in software sales? Did Microsoft with the Xbox ever make it up in software sales?
Simple answer: No.
Little Longer: Microsoft planned for that to happen so its a little different.
Post by: Louieturkey on January 31, 2007, 10:38:47 AM
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Originally posted by: CericQuote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
CouchMonkey: Your user pick reminds me of the chick from twilight Princess.
On subject: I wonder how much Sony is reallying losing on the PS3. I don't know if I believe that $300.00 per console figure...but if they cut the price could they make it up in software sales? Did Microsoft with the Xbox ever make it up in software sales?
Simple answer: No.
Little Longer: Microsoft planned for that to happen so its a little different.
From what I understand though, the 360 is now making money on each sale and now the Xbox division is finally making money for my post is a train wreck. Don't know what will happen with the Zephyr model though. I wonder if that will lose money for my post is a train wreck when they finally release it.
Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2007, 10:43:32 AM
But I don't think MS' game division is making money yet. R & D alone put them in the hole excessively... They're planning to make money with their third generation, their next XBox. I think they're actually getting to profitability... even if they are marginalized in the market somewhat.
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Post by: Galford on January 31, 2007, 01:31:01 PM
nVidia made the first desktop DX10 part in their 8800 series cards.
Pointless obscure knowledge...
Did you know that nVidia was started by a couple of engineers from Sun Microsystems?
Point 2- Did you know nVidia was contracted to make a chipset(NV2) for the Dreamcast but Sega didn't like it so
it was never used.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2007, 05:43:31 PM
QuoteThey Lose the least on the 20 GB model, but I heard they just started manufacturing cell on the 65nm process, so chip prices could see a major drop once its up and running at full speed.
Originally posted by: MaryJane
I know for an almost fact that Sony is losing $238 on one of their systems, either the 20 or 60 Gig model, I can't remember which one. But that's a substantial amount of money.
oh and Khush, you welcome
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Post by: segagamer12 on February 01, 2007, 05:06:48 AM
EDIT" sorry forgot to mention thats what my friends all think, that cuz Wii is hard to find it meas Sony killed them already. Stupid blind sony fanboys.
Post by: Ceric on February 01, 2007, 05:45:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Galford
Actually ATI madethe first DX10 part in the Xenos chip for the 360.
nVidia made the first desktop DX10 part in their 8800 series cards.
Pointless obscure knowledge...
Did you know that nVidia was started by a couple of engineers from Sun Microsystems?
Point 2- Did you know nVidia was contracted to make a chipset(NV2) for the Dreamcast but Sega didn't like it so
it was never used.
Didn't know either of those but thinking about it the first one does not really surprise me.
Post by: capamerica on February 01, 2007, 06:03:54 AM
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Originally posted by: CericQuote
Originally posted by: Galford
Actually ATI madethe first DX10 part in the Xenos chip for the 360.
nVidia made the first desktop DX10 part in their 8800 series cards.
Pointless obscure knowledge...
Did you know that nVidia was started by a couple of engineers from Sun Microsystems?
Point 2- Did you know nVidia was contracted to make a chipset(NV2) for the Dreamcast but Sega didn't like it so
it was never used.
Didn't know either of those but thinking about it the first one does not really surprise me.
I was under the impression that the Xbox360 used a modified version of DirectX 9 not 10.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 01, 2007, 05:31:58 PM
GLAD I UNINSTALLED THAT ZHIT
Post by: KDR_11k on February 01, 2007, 07:38:37 PM
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Post by: son of lucas on February 02, 2007, 07:20:30 AM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Kind of like Quinn and her tiny pores.
Is that a Daria reference? I approve!
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 04, 2007, 02:27:07 PM
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Originally posted by: son of lucasQuote
Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Kind of like Quinn and her tiny pores.
Is that a Daria reference? I approve!
Yep.
*****
The only Daria I know of that has been release on DVD are the two movies, Is it Fall Yet? and Is it College Yet?
The reason the rest of the series hasn't be released supposibly has to do with music rights.
Post by: ShreddersDojo on February 05, 2007, 02:34:14 AM
I've always had a hate on for Sony. As someone pointed out much earlier, they are not Videogame developers, and where it not for the PS3 brand name, I wonder how many third party folks would stick with them?
Sony has ALWAYS overcharged for their brand name, and for that, they are idiots in the extreme. I warn anyone away from Sony products for just that reason. The company has just come off as arrogant to me...
In the begining, I was all for Blue-Ray support because of the bigger storage...but when you think about it, who would want a 50GB Coaster disc to fail, let alone need that much storage? I also finally saw King Kong on HDDVD....even on an analog input it looked GREAT. I am now leaning toward the HD-DVD camp...but will give blue-ray it's chance when players hit the $299 mark...
Post by: JonLeung on February 05, 2007, 06:49:46 AM
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Originally posted by: ShreddersDojo
In the begining, I was all for Blue-Ray support because of the bigger storage...but when you think about it, who would want a 50GB Coaster disc to fail, let alone need that much storage? I also finally saw King Kong on HDDVD....even on an analog input it looked GREAT. I am now leaning toward the HD-DVD camp...but will give blue-ray it's chance when players hit the $299 mark...
Same here. I thought, logically, bigger=better. So I was hoping for Blu-Ray at first (that's without an E, just because we don't like it doesn't mean we shouldn't properly spell it). But I liked the name HD-DVD better.
There's no such thing as too big (in a few years terabytes will be the norm and before you know it, even a 100 GB disc isn't enough). But since the Blu-Ray is so closely associated with the garbage that is the PS3, and that for now no one can truly tell much difference between a Blu-Ray movie and an HD-DVD movie, and we aren't yet in despearate need for 50 GB discs, I say Blu-Ray can go ahead and bomb just like Sony's other failed formats.
I'm wondering, though. Despite the fact that the PS3 isn't selling as well as Sony hoped, it is still quite a boost, of just as many more Blu-Ray players thrust into the market. (If people in general aren't ready to make the switch to the next generation of discs, then there's no reason to believe that people will be buying up HD-DVD players just because they don't want a PS3.) So in that regard, isn't Blu-Ray now quite more popular (as in, in more homes) than HD-DVD, even if it is "by default"? A "victory" for Sony, even if the PS3s are struggling to sell?
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 05, 2007, 09:27:39 AM
It's the type of thing Sony would lie about on principle so I'm very hesitant to believe it.
Post by: capamerica on February 05, 2007, 10:30:55 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Blu-Ray sells 3x as many discs as HDDVD. I wonder if people were just misinterpreting data when claiming "the porn industry decides the winner"?
I find the numbers a bit sketchy, the same story showed up on Digg and alot of people pointed out that it came from a Playstation website, I would like to see the original source if there is one thats not from a Pro-Sony site.
Also I pointed this out on Digg, But the Blu-Ray sales didn't specify it was for Blu-Ray Movies, It just said for Blu-Ray discs, Which is a number that is actually very unfair since HD-DVD is only used for Movies and Storage while Blu-Ray discs are used for Movies, Storage and Games.
I would like to see the figures broken down by each use. I would be willing to bet that the figures are inflated due to Blu-Ray games on the PS3.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2007, 05:33:09 PM
QuoteNow that is how you read between the lines. Carefully worded PR to let the uninformed assume that they have all the facts when infact all they have a very misleading figure. Thats nothing new for Sony though, with the whole Shipped vs Sold thing.
Originally posted by: capamerica
Also I pointed this out on Digg, But the Blu-Ray sales didn't specify it was for Blu-Ray Movies, It just said for Blu-Ray discs, Which is a number that is actually very unfair since HD-DVD is only used for Movies and Storage while Blu-Ray discs are used for Movies, Storage and Games.
I would like to see the figures broken down by each use. I would be willing to bet that the figures are inflated due to Blu-Ray games on the PS3.
Post by: Kairon on February 05, 2007, 07:29:42 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 05, 2007, 08:12:23 PM
Those were Sony's words and not yours, right KDR?
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 08, 2007, 07:32:47 AM
Discs sold /= customers who have paid money for a piece of BluRay media.
Post by: Arbok on February 08, 2007, 07:46:23 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
I see way more Blu Ray commercials than HD-DVD and I see more movies going Blu Ray than HD-DVD so it looks like Sony may have gambled on the right format.
Beating HD-DVD would only be a step in the process though. Considering how every major release on DVD still has a full screen counterpart, and how window boxing the image on most discs to support lower end setups is still more common than not today, I fail to see a common consumer demand for a new format that would require a HD tv to fully enjoy.
If anything, I predict the winner of this war will be the next Laserdisc: hailed by some hardcore video affeciandos for its improvments over the current format of choice, but never catching on with the average consumer.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 08, 2007, 10:12:38 AM
Your hard drive + interweb. And any crap you manage to view on Wii.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 08, 2007, 11:09:57 AM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 08, 2007, 12:35:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
According to Media-Create, the PS3 sold just 18,727 units in the week of 1/29/07 - 2/4/07. Amazing, since the PS2 sold 17,540 that same week.
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The start of Sony's domination.
Post by: segagamer12 on February 08, 2007, 02:03:09 PM
Post by: Kairon on February 08, 2007, 03:01:07 PM
That said, if many of the games that SHOULD come out DO come out this year, the PS3 actually has a pretty good lineup.
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Post by: segagamer12 on February 08, 2007, 03:39:25 PM
Third they will have to start gettign some big name games out and marketing the hell out of them then on top of all that the serioulsy need to flood the market with BR movies all at once, nothing significant has to be done just flood the market so that consumers actualyl see the sheer number of BR movies, then after all that they could very well have a good chance. Now in all honesty I dont see much of that happening, PS3 price cut sure but I dont see them getting low enough to compete with Wii.
Now Nintendo is still going to have to put up a fight because if Sony does decide BR is the way to get ps3 in peoples doors they WILL flood the market and go on a marketing blitz, its all a matter of how much they are willing to spend to do it.
I seriously think that they have made enough mistakes that Nintendo could very well pull itoff, but I also know Sony ha something up its sleeve that could turn things around and its just a matter if time before they do unleash something big.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 08, 2007, 04:17:27 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
Well if Sony really decided to compete they could, first they would have to drop the price CONSIDERABLY, second they would have to rethink thier ads and get something a littlebetter, sicne launch Ihavent seen any ps3 ads.
Third they will have to start gettign some big name games out and marketing the hell out of them then on top of all that the serioulsy need to flood the market with BR movies all at once, nothing significant has to be done just flood the market so that consumers actualyl see the sheer number of BR movies, then after all that they could very well have a good chance. Now in all honesty I dont see much of that happening, PS3 price cut sure but I dont see them getting low enough to compete with Wii.
Now Nintendo is still going to have to put up a fight because if Sony does decide BR is the way to get ps3 in peoples doors they WILL flood the market and go on a marketing blitz, its all a matter of how much they are willing to spend to do it.
I seriously think that they have made enough mistakes that Nintendo could very well pull itoff, but I also know Sony ha something up its sleeve that could turn things around and its just a matter if time before they do unleash something big.
What makes you think they have something up their sleeve? They have botched about every aspect of the PS3 since it was first announced, so I don't see how you can think they have something big up their sleeve because they sure haven't shown any indication whatsoever they know what they are doing.
Post by: Adrock on February 08, 2007, 04:24:36 PM
I don't think Sony's made enough mistakes. We still haven't seen the dropoff in support that Nintendo experienced between SNES and N64. Sony has done some boneheaded moves so far, but they haven't totally alienated 3rd parties like Nintendo did. That's why Nintendo has too keep their guard up and keep scoring small victories like Guitar Hero and Manhunt 2... and even Dragon Quest IX. Yeah, it's on DS, but at least it's not on PS3.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 08, 2007, 04:32:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
I usually see a PS3 ad or two whenever I watch tv which isn't often. They're all weird. I don't know what happened. The PSP had pretty cool ads.
I don't think Sony's made enough mistakes. We still haven't seen the dropoff in support that Nintendo experienced between SNES and N64. Sony has done some boneheaded moves so far, but they haven't totally alienated 3rd parties like Nintendo did. That's why Nintendo has too keep their guard up and keep scoring small victories like Guitar Hero and Manhunt 2... and even Dragon Quest IX. Yeah, it's on DS, but at least it's not on PS3.
Um most of the drop off from SNES to N64 was caused by cartridges, this is a whole different situation. Probably a better comparison would be GC and how 3rd party support dropped off, it took awhile but you could see a trend towards it, the same can be said about PS3 with many companies now reluctant to make games exclusive.
Post by: Adrock on February 08, 2007, 05:32:36 PM
Post by: segagamer12 on February 08, 2007, 06:07:51 PM
The thing is Sony has beun shifting things around, they demoted PS creator, that tells me that they *are* taking his screw ups serioulsy. To be honest I dont think PS3 has a snowballs chance in hell at coming out on top, or killing off the wii, but I still think that if they really wanted to they could put up more of a fight. It seams to me that either they are preparting to concede this round to NIntendo and focus on the BR aspect of things or they are going to use BR to really try and turn things around.
I mean I hate Playstation, I really really do and I would love to see Sony shut down the gaming divison altogether or at least revert back to Sony Image Soft status and leave the console business.
I dont know I could be blowing smoke but having sat back and watched Sega get creamed by those #*&^$holes and seeing Nintendo forced to fight tooth and nail just to stay alive I am not at all ready to let my guard down and count sony out just yet. I know this is not the tune I been singing and to be honest I hope I am wrong but it just seams like a lot of people have counted them out too early and that theres things we dont know yet. I mean PS3 is brand spankin new and it takes more to make a game for it than Wii and Wii still isnt seeing as many game annuncments as some people would like.
I could go into extreme details why I think things could turn around, not that I think they will but I think they could. But I have already typed more than I intended and havent organized my thoughts well enough and its getting late so I will leave it here. I just dont think its safe to count SOny out just yet. i mena Ps2 is still making money and they could restructure themselves enough to stay profitable and then it wont take much to turn things around.
I dont know if it could happen but i can see two Sony made games coming out on Ps3 that could have an impact strong enough to turn some heads, both are MMO, Everquest and SW Galaxies. I dont think it will happen right away but seeing that it sure as hell is capable of runningthose games, the first console by sony to be able to, I can see them bringing those to the ps3 and gaining mmo fans support. Not that Everquest matters as much in the grand sceme of things but offering it to console owners not just pc gamers would be a huge step up. Anywyas I said more than I intended and dont have strong support so take it as is and im going to bed.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 08, 2007, 07:09:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
It was more than just cartridges. Nintendo just became difficult to deal with. The hardware architecture was atrocious and licensing fees were significantly higher than Sony's. Then, there was that whole "Dream Team" of developers Hiroshi Yamauchi wanted to put together, further alienating 3rd parties. We can all agree that cartridges played a huge role, but that wasn't all Nintendo got wrong.
All the same, it was much different than Sony's errors with the PS3.
Post by: Arbok on February 08, 2007, 07:22:50 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
All the same, it was much different than Sony's errors with the PS3.
Nintendo's error was going with cartridges, driving up expenses to the consumer. Sony's error was going with Blu-Ray, driving up expenses to the consumer.
It's not as cut and dry as that, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if the situations pan out in similar ways... although Sony won't have their own games to fall back on, like Nintendo did during that generation (and made a nice profit with their array of million sellers).
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 08, 2007, 09:35:22 PM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
All the same, it was much different than Sony's errors with the PS3.
Nintendo's error was going with cartridges, driving up expenses to the consumer. Sony's error was going with Blu-Ray, driving up expenses to the consumer.
It's not as cut and dry as that, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if the situations pan out in similar ways... although Sony won't have their own games to fall back on, like Nintendo did during that generation (and made a nice profit with their array of million sellers).
Actually I would say the carts drove up the expenses more so on the developer, weren't they around 20$ a piece? Not to mention they had limited storage, which was a double whammy that really chased away developers who wanted more storage and not have to pay an arm and a leg for each cart.
Post by: Darc Requiem on February 09, 2007, 12:02:03 AM
Post by: Adrock on February 09, 2007, 01:23:55 AM
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Golden Phoenix wrote:
All the same, it was much different than Sony's errors with the PS3.
Exactly. The difference being the reliance on 3rd parties. As we've seen, Nintendo has been able to support an entire console almost entirely by themselves. There's reason in my mind that Sony can't do the same. They have a few strong brands such as God of War and Gran Turismo, but they clearly aren't established enough to support a whole console. Should they alienate 3rd parties as Nintendo had, they most certainly would be screwed beyond all reason.
I think that's the real difference here. Sony's mistakes affect 3rd parties less directly. I'd say Sony's biggest problem is the financially crippling price of PS3 which they're mostly absorbing themselves while placing the rest of the load on consumers.
Post by: couchmonkey on February 09, 2007, 03:24:50 AM
Sony knew how Nintendo treated its partners - it got a firsthand look when the two tried to partner up for a SNES CD add-on. When Sony decided to continue with the CD system and created PSX, it took advantage of Nintendo's weak spot: third parties. High liscencing fees, censorship, and an overall controlling attitude (Nintendo used to limit the number of games you could release each year) were Nintendo's weak point. The added cost of cartridges was just the last nail in the coffin: third parties were totally ready for a change.
So Nintendo's support was stolen, not just by CD vs. cart, but by Sony's better third party policies. Then to top it off, Sony opened up new markets: it grabbed a slightly older demographic and also set up shop in countries Nintendo ignored.
Now it's Nintendo's turn to disrupt the market: the Wii is capturing new audiences, it costs less to develop for than the other systems (possibly by a long shot) and Nintendo is less controlling than Sony in some respects (Sony censors stuff Nintendo doesn't, all PS3 games must support HD, and Sony supposedly has an anti-2D bias). The Virtual Console is another disruption: want to put your classic game on Xbox Live Arcade? Better add online play, achievements, and more. But on Wii you just slap the game and an emulator together, test, and it's good to go. CHEAP. If Nintendo can make it cheap to develop original games, as it claims it wants to, that's even better.
Sony isn't totally losing third-party support, and I think some of this is wariness on the part of developers. Square Enix has been on both sides of the battle, and has paid for it. It paid when it was stuck under Nintendo's control, it paid when it left Nintendo and Yamauchi wouldn't let SE develop for GBA (until the GameCube deal was struck) and it's starting to pay as Sony drives up the requirements for gaming with PS3. Not surprisingly, Square Enix's reaction has been to say, "We're going to support everyone, we don't want anybody getting too strong." The company is tired of being pushed around by the first parties, so its going to try to balance out their power and avoid burning bridges by supporting all of them.
I don't think Sony is going to fall from #1 to total failure in a single generation - it will probably get a little boost from brand loyalty and the remaining third party support. But I think it could easily wind up in third place.
Post by: segagamer12 on February 09, 2007, 04:40:55 AM
nothing happens alot though.
See what made me change my mind about SOny totally bombing was the last time I went to town, even with Wii dominating in sales and what not, it was still a Playstation world out there, and even KNOWING PSP is not selling as much as DS you ant tell that to anybody, there is MORE PSP and PS3 stuff on the shelves everywhere than Wii and beleive it or not that makes Nintendo look bad in the public eye.
This is when it hit home Ps3 still had a chance, my friend has been looking for a Wii since day one, hasnt been able to find out yet, we doesnt just want one for hisself either want sot get one for his family so he can have his own and they can have thiers, he live on his own so it works out better that way too. Anywyas he currently has a 360, nwo we went to town just 8 days ago and went shopping for a Wii, we hit EVERYSTORE and not only were they non existant, the controllers and games were like nowhere to be found, and beleive it or not a *LOT* of people were commenting on how Nintendo must have already folded. Now thats silly but public perception can mold a console generation.
Now getting back to my story, we hit EVERY SINGLE store in town that sold electronics, games, toys everything. Finally we gave up, and I noticed, didnt point it out but noticed every where we went the Ps3 area was healthy and over stocked, now I tend to think that would mean they arent selling out, but eevry store still had 1 per customer signs on all the ps3 stuff and even had ps3 stuff covering up wii stuff!
My friend stopped and looked at a ps3 for like ten minutes saying since he still cant find a wii almost three months latter he might as well geta ps3 and screw nintendo, this guy who had a GC and nothing else last gen, has a N64 and didnt touch ps1, and now has a 360 only for xbox live and came that close to caving in and throwing Nintenod out altogether, and he isnt the onlyf riend Ihave who was blown away by the wii who is so tired of looking for one that has started cnsidering ps3 since they *are* available. THAT is sonys BIG advantage riight now like it or not, public perception, the sales mght not be there but a lot of people will grab a ps3 out of haste due to impatience.
I managed to talk my freind out of it cuz he hates sony, and he decided to grabb some 360 games instead but i was shocked to see him come so close to caving in like that and to tell you the truth if I hadnt gotten my wii on launch adn ws still hunting for one I would have goten a 360 by now and said Ill get a wii latter. It *IS* affecting them sure the sales are strong but that could all change and the market is ripe for change. Its too early to tell either way but if you gotoa store and EVERYTHING says Playstation on it and Wii is crammed in with GC that doesnt look good for Nintendo. Plus no one knows what kind of games they do have in they have in the works, we knowit takes alot to develop for ps3 but Sony has the resources to get gamews made when they need them if they wanted to.
Not only all that but this is the time of the year people *have* money to spend and is when the sales will matter the most because of the droughts. If Sony can pick up some tax time sales they will be on thier way to set themselves up. I hope that they fall I REALLY REALLY DO, I just have to be realistic because Sony KILLED my favorite game makers and I can see they are trying despperatley to kill Nintendo.
Post by: Kairon on February 09, 2007, 05:42:15 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 09, 2007, 06:11:48 AM
Post by: bustin98 on February 09, 2007, 06:13:25 AM
Hubris will be Sony's downfall this generation.
Post by: JonLeung on February 09, 2007, 06:22:52 AM
I mean, they can't all be stupid...can they?
Post by: KDR_11k on February 09, 2007, 07:06:45 AM
Interviews rarely follow up on these, partially because the questions are prewritten and partially because a BS answer usually means he won't answer it anyway.
Quotes like that make me wonder if everyone at Sony who could potentially be interviewed are given a manual or a guidebook with BS answers to common questons, as well as other ludicrous things to say.
I think the marketing division is going to make damn sure of that.
Wikipedia describes the marketing division of the Sony Computer Entertainment Corporation as "a bunch of mindless jerks who were the first against the wall when the revolution^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HWii came".
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2007, 07:46:27 AM
Post by: JonLeung on February 09, 2007, 07:56:34 AM
QuoteI said it before...it's a conspiracy! o_0 Nintendo and Sony may actually be owned/controlled by the same phantom company. They play "Sony" and "Nintendo" "against each other" in a big act that generates more interest in video games. Since the PS2 was so far ahead in terms of sales, they deemed that it was time for the so-called Sony to take a really big dive so that Nintendo can have a turn in the spotlight. After a couple generations, they may mix it up again.
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I still think Sony is trying to win a bet by making sure the PS3 fails. Its the only thing that makes sense, but even then it doesn't really make sense.
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Post by: Kairon on February 09, 2007, 08:03:04 AM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 09, 2007, 08:06:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
It seems that you are forgetting about the $60 to $80 N64 games Golden. Saturn and PS games were $50.
I am well aware that the N64 games were that much (though if I recall Nintendo published ones were around 50$ retail), but companies like Square and such were turned off by N64 because of the pricey cartridges and limited storage. The retail price of the carts is not what really hurt N64 because there were multiple million sellers, but the fact that 3rd parties jumped ship, for the reasons stated here which would be carts and Nintendo's dumb 3rd party policy.
Post by: denjet78 on February 09, 2007, 08:10:15 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: JonLeungQuoteI said it before...it's a conspiracy! o_0 Nintendo and Sony may actually be owned/controlled by the same phantom company. They play "Sony" and "Nintendo" "against each other" in a big act that generates more interest in video games. Since the PS2 was so far ahead in terms of sales, they deemed that it was time for the so-called Sony to take a really big dive so that Nintendo can have a turn in the spotlight. After a couple generations, they may mix it up again.
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I still think Sony is trying to win a bet by making sure the PS3 fails. Its the only thing that makes sense, but even then it doesn't really make sense.
But I don't like professional wrestling.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 09, 2007, 08:24:48 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeungQuoteI said it before...it's a conspiracy! o_0 Nintendo and Sony may actually be owned/controlled by the same phantom company. They play "Sony" and "Nintendo" "against each other" in a big act that generates more interest in video games. Since the PS2 was so far ahead in terms of sales, they deemed that it was time for the so-called Sony to take a really big dive so that Nintendo can have a turn in the spotlight. After a couple generations, they may mix it up again.
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I still think Sony is trying to win a bet by making sure the PS3 fails. Its the only thing that makes sense, but even then it doesn't really make sense.
But I don't like professional wrestling.
I do!
Post by: Adrock on February 09, 2007, 12:44:58 PM
I've been highly critical of Nintendo's PR over the years, but Sony and Microsoft seem to have caught up and then some. Reggie, as president of NOA, is also a PR guy. His job, among many other things, is to make Nintendo look shiny. I've read dozens of his interviews over the past few years and at least he doesn't sound like a complete bullsh*tter. I'm not Reggie maniac, but I admit he's fairly honest for someone whose job it is to stretch the truth. These Sony and Microsoft guys though... when they aren't mudslinging, they're just outright lying to people.
EDIT: Yeah, read bustin98's post.
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Post by: MaryJane on February 09, 2007, 02:49:06 PM
I think the result would be immediate shut-down I really don't see how PS could survive without the help of a multi-billion dollar parent company.
Nintendo does it, although let's be honest the GBA is the only reason we have a Wii.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 09, 2007, 04:06:19 PM
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I'd really like to see what would happen if Sony were to cut the video game division of itself loose as it's own company with minor help from big daddy.
I think the result would be immediate shut-down I really don't see how PS could survive without the help of a multi-billion dollar parent company.
Nintendo does it, although let's be honest the GBA is the only reason we have a Wii.
Well that and the GC along with the N64 were pretty profitable too. Really I think Nintendo could survive without the handheld division, it would be super tough but I think they could do it. With that said the revenues from handheld games definately help fund some great games as well!
Post by: MarioAllStar on February 09, 2007, 04:22:04 PM
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Originally posted by: MaryJaneNintendo does it, although let's be honest the GBA is the only reason we have a Wii.
Don't forget the Virtual Boy.
Post by: bustin98 on February 09, 2007, 05:17:18 PM
Post by: Adrock on February 09, 2007, 06:03:32 PM
Still, I've noticed the rising level of BS in Sony's (and, to a slighly lesser degree, Microsoft's) PR. I don't remember them sounding as terrible as they've sounded recently. How do you twist Wii domination into something bad? Instead, I'd rather hear about what they plan on doing about it. A possible solution is far more promising than corporate mudlsinging. Calling Wii a "gimmick" or a "toy" doesn't inspire confidence in Sony. The effect is supposed to be downplaying the competition's success, but it doesn't come off that way. It makes them look bad because it suggests panic, as if that's the best response they could come up with. That guy is a PR drone. He's failing horribly at what he's paid for.
Nintendo was really up there a few years back. Their BS levels were through the roof. George Harrison was especially notorious for being full of it though he's slowed down. Can't say the same about Perrin Kaplan......
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2007, 07:30:29 PM
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Though they did try to push Jack about 'sold' versus 'shipped' with Jack offering $1200 to the interviewer if he could find a PS3 that was sitting on a shelf for more than 5 minutes. Jack was then informed that 9 out of 18 stores reported readily available stock of PS3s. Jack's mouth then went off to claim that 50% means sales are great.
Wheres My Money!!?
Stewie = all of us that have found those PS3s (including EGM)
Brian = Jack Tretton
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 09, 2007, 08:39:33 PM
Sony is a company that lucked out, they got publishers from Nintendo during the N64 era because not only were they first but they had better policies and no carts. The PS2 just built on that trend and had no competition for a year, things have shifted though and I'm not sure Sony knows what the heck to do because they didn't do a whole heck of alot in the past. They fed off Nintendo's errors, instead of relying on innovation and I don't see them unleashing this huge "Mega ton" anytime soon.
Post by: Arbok on February 09, 2007, 08:58:25 PM
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Sony is a company that lucked out, they got publishers from Nintendo during the N64 era because not only were they first but they had better policies and no carts.
The Saturn was first to the market, and was CD based as well. I think many people undercut Sony's efforts with the first Playstation. It wasn't luck that got them the market, unlike the PS2 where GTA3 hit when the GCN and Xbox launched. It was an advertising blitz unseen in video games before then and cheaper prices to the consumer then either of their rivals, the very thing that will probably lose them this generation.
Post by: Mikintosh on February 09, 2007, 09:09:45 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2007, 10:01:46 PM
www.informationarbitrage.com
They also mention how EA's shares/stocks have dropped since betting on the wrong horse(PS3). Lots of links, quotes and author interpretations all about how EA went wrong, what they(EA) think about it and what they are doing to fix the problem.
Very anti-PS3 as it talks alot about how PS3 is a failure up to this point, it even cites many sources. I never visited the site before tonite but it seems to look at the whole situation objectively enough, which is not surprising since it is a Wall Street site.
Post by: Adrock on February 09, 2007, 10:22:13 PM
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Another area that I feel we are forgetting is the PSP, there haven't been any big surprises whatsoever for that system, and it is still going downhill, showing me Sony isn't this great "mastermind" that people think they are.
Yet PSP is still getting some killer games. Metal Gear Portable Ops came out not too long ago. Then there's Dracula X Chronicles despite 2 sales duds on PS2 and 5 extremely well-recieved GBA/DS games (which while great, essentially have the same gameplay across the board) as well as Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII. I don't even want to hear about how the game was announced before DS started raping PSP in sales because SquareEnix could've cancelled the game on PSP and moved it to PS2.... or even Wii since CC:FF7 looks better than most Wii games out right now anyway.
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I think many people undercut Sony's efforts with the first Playstation.
I agree with that. Sheer blind luck couldn't create a monster like the Playstation. They did all the right things when they had to for 2 generations while the competition basically didn't. Nintendo and Sega kind of undid themselves and Microsoft, being the newcomer, didn't have a chance last gen. Nintendo just happened to be run well-enough to stay profitable. Go them.
Post by: MaryJane on February 10, 2007, 03:57:05 AM
There will be a PS4. No matter how badly the PS3 sells, no matter how much money they lose, they're going to make the 4th iteration of PlayStation. Blu-Ray discs (and development on them) are either going to get cheaper, or fade into memory, and thus the PS4's media won't be a hurdle as it is this generation. Sony will think they still have a chance if they restructure. They'll look at the improvements that Nintendo made from GC to Wii and try to copy them as well as copying things Nintendo will implement in their next system.
It is all together likely that in the grand scheme of video gaming PS3 will be dead last. Here are my predictions: 1st place: DS |2nd: Wii |3rd: Xbox360 |4th: PC (possibly switching positions with X360) |5th: PS2 |6th: GBA |7th: PSP |8th: Ngage 2 (lol half-jk, cell phone gaming is starting to gather steam so it could be something else, including Nintendo's own phone) |9th: Tiger Electronics(a place holder, I just wanted 10 items) |10th: PS3
I think it will take the PS4 also being in 10th place 10 or so years from now for Sony to completely back out of the video game market.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 10, 2007, 07:58:11 AM
Phil's Super Rub-o-dub
Post by: Darc Requiem on February 10, 2007, 08:26:54 AM
http://www.gamefront.de/
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 10, 2007, 08:34:10 AM
With PS2, yeah DC was tougher competition but really Sega was relying more on 1st party games because many of the 3rd parties garnered from the PS1 era were still loyal to Sony. Not to mention that Sega's reputation was hurt big time with the Saturn and people were still reluctant to get on board with DC, so PS2 did not have that big of a fight.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 10, 2007, 08:35:11 AM
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Well there is more bad news for Sony and Friends. VF5 sold a mere 32,000 copies on its first day of sale in Japan. Thats less than half of what Blue Dragon did on its first day of Sale for the 360 which had a third of the PS3's current userbase when Blue Dragon launched.
http://www.gamefront.de/
Does anyone even play the Virtua Fighter games anymore? Talk about a stagnant series!
Post by: Darc Requiem on February 10, 2007, 09:16:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
In Japan, Virtua Fighter is the most popular fighting game series. Its more popular than Tekken, DOA, SF, etc. It should have sold far better.
Shows me just how poorly PS3 is doing in Japan then if that is the case.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2007, 11:15:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
In Japan, Virtua Fighter is the most popular fighting game series. Its more popular than Tekken, DOA, SF, etc. It should have sold far better.
I'm not sure about the arcades in Japan, but VF has been on the decline ever since the release of VF3. Nobody really expect VF5 to that blockbuster that is gonna make Japan forget about the $600 entrance fee to play a game that they've been playing for many many months at about a $1 per play.
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Though, even if I'm wrong on that, I can't bring myself to care about the game enough to argue about it.
Post by: Mikintosh on February 11, 2007, 06:19:01 AM
But slightly closer to being on-topic, this either shows that a major title exclusive to the PS3 still can't sell the system in Japan, or it doesn't; VF5 is still in arcades but weren't Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter II when they showed up on consoles? Just sayin'.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 11, 2007, 07:11:50 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2007, 07:19:09 AM
Besides the game would be lucky to sell out and the shipment was only 100k. Even Sega wasn't expecting too much.
Post by: Ceric on February 11, 2007, 09:04:12 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 12, 2007, 01:44:16 AM
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Finally delivered on the Duck game they have been showing me for generations. I mean it had all of the PS2 to be developed it must be wonderful.
Maybe the PS2 couldn't handle the LoD (lots of ducks) technology
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 12, 2007, 02:18:55 AM
However, after 8 years of dominating the market Sony got complacent, and assumed they owned the industry (much like Nintendo did) and in their egotistic manner developed the next product they wanted create, and not what the gaming industry, or the gaming audience desired.
The two companies this year that actively spent time trying to determine what the market desires is Microsoft and Nintendo, and they are enjoying success from those decisions. Sony is not enjoying the success it would of liked because of poor decisions this go around, not because they were always bad and got lucky from others mistakes.
Post by: Mikintosh on February 12, 2007, 03:55:42 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2007, 06:24:36 AM
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But a video game system only moves because of good software, not good hardware; Sony doesn't really have much software expertise, and the reason for many of its best-sellers for the PS1 is that developers jumped ship from Nintendo in the mid-90s. If Nintendo had been nicer back then, I don't see how Sony would have succeeded.
3rd Party Developers are part of the market too, and how Nintendo was treating them was one of their bad decisions: Limiting releases, high liscensing fees, game approval methods, Yamauchi's tough love policy and iron fist controlling everything involved with Nintendo.
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 12, 2007, 07:31:05 AM
In the end, Software will make or break a system...but hardware has a huge part of realizing software potential, you can't have one without the other.
Post by: couchmonkey on February 12, 2007, 07:34:31 AM
A nice example of countering mistakes would be Sony taking advantage of the CD format to really push low-priced "best seller" games. In my memory, at least, discounted best sellers were not a really common sight prior to the Playstation era - they existed, but they were rare. Thanks to Sony, $30 (CDN) games became a common sight. Nintendo was barely able to reach $50 CDN on N64 games and it probably would have preferred not to drop prices at all (see GBA - which got its first Player's Choice titles 3-4 years after launch.) It was a clever way to take advantage of the manufacturing costs Nintendo 64 games faced.
Similarly, the rising cost of game development has been all the talk of the industry for the past couple of years and Nintendo, being a major software developer itself, saw an opportunity to slash development costs by making Wii hardly more powerful than current systems. This has polarized hardcore gamers, but it is turning out to be a big boon in these early months. Imagine if it cost exactly the same to develop a Wii game as the other two systems: companies would be turning mostly to Xbox 360 because it has the biggest fanbase. Instead, Wii is being touted as the solution because it has a decent (and rapidly growing) fanbase and it costs less to develop for.
Spak: you're right, hardware matters, because it can affect how things go in the software department. It's important for the hardware to be designed with wise business targets in mind. In the case of PS3, I think they forgot about the consumers in its desire to focus on Blu-ray. In the case of, say, N64, I think Nintendo forgot about consumers and developers in its desire to create certain types of games. Avoiding load times and creating large-scale streamable worlds are noble goals, but who do they benefit besides Miyamoto and co.?
Post by: segagamer12 on February 12, 2007, 09:12:15 AM
Virtua Fighter *was* a very influencial franchise and has been placed in museums and givien recognition for its inovation, its was the FIRST 3D fighting game after all and every 3d fighting game ever since had had some aspects taken directly from VF. That deosnt mean its a great series, like most Sega fans, and fans fo the series, I lost interest after 3, but thats common in fighitng game series. Most good fighting games series keep going but they ususaaly reach thier pinacle aroudn the third instalment.
AS for PS1, sony pretty much did *everything* right back then, although they are doing a lot of things wrong now they still have a large enough fanbase and product recognition. Didnt Sony themselves say theres no brand loyalty ammong gamers or was that MS.
I kinda expected FV5 to flop and I wishj they would just give it up and make a new series. Its hard to say for sure I expect Nintendo to come out on top but I still think Sony can pull it off if they get thier act together. whop knwos if they will but I still think they can if they tried. But hoepfully they will keep making more stupid mistakes and I get my wisha nd they go bankrupt.
Post by: Darc Requiem on February 12, 2007, 12:10:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
In Japan, Virtua Fighter is the most popular fighting game series. Its more popular than Tekken, DOA, SF, etc. It should have sold far better.
I'm not sure about the arcades in Japan, but VF has been on the decline ever since the release of VF3. Nobody really expect VF5 to that blockbuster that is gonna make Japan forget about the $600 entrance fee to play a game that they've been playing for many many months at about a $1 per play.
Not true. VF4 outsold VF3 by 200,000 units. In fact VF4 outsold VF3 lifetimes sales in its first week of release. No one expected VF5 to sell millions in Japan but it should have hit 100,000 in its first week. I mean even VF1 managed to sell over 51,000 units in its first week and it was a launch title for the Saturn. VF3 was a launch title for the Dreamcast and it sold over 110,000 copies. VF5's poor sales is an indictment of the PS3's poor showing in Japan.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 14, 2007, 04:46:46 AM
QuoteBut teh rumble is not possible with the much too advanced and superior motion controls of the SIXAXIS... Wii beware :roll eyes:
There have been loads of grumbles and gripes about Sixaxis - the motion-sensing thing is a bit gimmicky, Wii does it better and that the rumble is hugely missed.
But it's not just gamers that think this - one of Sega's top development men has broken rank to offer his thoughts.
"Tilt control's not difficult to do," says Guy Wilday, head of Sega Racing Studio, on the possibility of tilty-pad gameplay being included in their new version of Sega Rally for PS3. "Fundamentally, though, the whole tilt control thing is rubbish. It's no compensation for rumble."
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Sega Developer says: Sony's SIXAXIS tilt control is "rubbish"QuoteBut teh rumble is not possible with the much too advanced and superior motion controls of the SIXAXIS... Wii beware :roll eyes:
There have been loads of grumbles and gripes about Sixaxis - the motion-sensing thing is a bit gimmicky, Wii does it better and that the rumble is hugely missed.
But it's not just gamers that think this - one of Sega's top development men has broken rank to offer his thoughts.
"Tilt control's not difficult to do," says Guy Wilday, head of Sega Racing Studio, on the possibility of tilty-pad gameplay being included in their new version of Sega Rally for PS3. "Fundamentally, though, the whole tilt control thing is rubbish. It's no compensation for rumble."
i tried playing that game motorstorm (or something) at the toys r us in times square ny with that sixaxis (i refuse to caplock for that stupid name) and it ached my hands to play it.
im not sure if it was because it was so closely teathered to the demo unit or because the controller was small and my hands were so close together that tilting left and right made me uncomfortable (not to mention the odd button layout), all i know is i walked away with a cramp and realized nintendo´s rod design trully was genious. i never once had a cramp playing excite truck at work (and i played it aloooot) then five minutes with the ps3 controller and my hands ache.
also it felt weird watching my truck explode in high def and not feel any rumble.. very dissapointing. i cant be the only one who feels this way
Post by: capamerica on February 15, 2007, 05:37:42 AM
First it barely beat out Wii Sports for the #1 spot and Wii Sports has been avalable for 11 Weeks.
Second DoA4 sold better in Japan and there was a smaller Xbox360 user base too.
There are currently 600,000 PS3s owners in Japan only 30,000 picked up Virtua Fighter 5.
When DoA4 came out there were only 80,000 Xbox 360 owners and Dead or Alive 4 Sold 60,000 copies.
Post by: stevey on February 19, 2007, 08:26:26 AM
That got to be bad blow for the psp, wonder when the ps3 will start showing up on flyer for a wii.
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Post by: Kairon on February 19, 2007, 11:11:42 AM
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Ditto
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 19, 2007, 05:07:59 PM
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It's actually just like the Wii and the PS3, at least when all of these systems launched. PSP was $100 more than DS, didn't seem to focus on gameplay, and came with extra crap that you didn't want or need. PS3 costs $250 or $350 more than the Wii. doesn't seem to focus on gameplay, and includes crap that you don't want or need.
I keep making that same argument and people try to dismiss it when I do.
Why is that when it's so damn obvious that the PSP and PS3 have nearly all of their failings in common?
Post by: Arbok on February 19, 2007, 05:48:46 PM
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Those comments are great! There is so much blind fanboyism...
Really? I thought the comments were pretty level headed and fair, like these:
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have you ever played a gizmodo or ngage? even those wer ebetter than the ds imo.
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I really dislike EB games, they sold me a used, $150, game-less, memory card-less PSP, tried to tell me that the 32mb card was extra, somehow always manage to hire more women than men, took over gamestop, and constantly bash my favorite system like the above ad...
Post by: Adrock on February 19, 2007, 06:13:49 PM
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Smash_Brother wrote:
I keep making that same argument and people try to dismiss it when I do.
Why is that when it's so damn obvious that the PSP and PS3 have nearly all of their failings in common?
Yeah, but they exist in different markets. That's why I think it's a tough comparison; one that doesn't say that much.
PSP enjoyed some runs of success early, but anyone who understands why and how Sony took the console world by storm should have realized that they couldn't match that success in the handheld market using the same tactics. One of the reasons is that you can't sell a crappier version of Madden to the same people for triple the price and hassle (four PSPs and as many copies of the game). Why the hell would you bother with that? PSP also has ass load times and battery life - 2 major no-no's for portables.
Nintendo, with DS, displayed an immense amount of foresight. They really understood the market and understood more than anyone the need for change. You can't just offer pocket versions of console games. Otherwise, anyone can find a suitable console equivalent. That's really PSP's biggest issue. I think more people would be willing to embrace PSP if it offered something non-PS2. I wouldn't say the focus wasn't on gameplay. Rather, everything PSP could do, big brother PS2 could do better, faster, and prettier.
PSP and PS3 may have some similar negatives, but if they fail, they'll fail for different reasons. I'm not going to start a whole big debate, mostly because I don't care enough. This is just where I stand.
Post by: Khushrenada on February 19, 2007, 06:19:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Those comments are great! There is so much blind fanboyism...
Really? I thought the comments were pretty level headed and fair, like these:Quote
have you ever played a gizmodo or ngage? even those wer ebetter than the ds imo.Quote
I really dislike EB games, they sold me a used, $150, game-less, memory card-less PSP, tried to tell me that the 32mb card was extra, somehow always manage to hire more women than men, took over gamestop, and constantly bash my favorite system like the above ad...
You left out the best part of that last quote. After going into his hate of EB, the person then said they wished arson was legal. Ah, yes. If only they would change that silly oversight of the law. Just think how much better the world would be if these people could commit arson and not be charged with a crime.
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Post by: UncleBob on February 20, 2007, 02:41:02 AM
Anywhoo, the best part about the above-above quiote is the whole "they took over GameStop" crap. GameStop took over EBGames. That's why, when you go into EBGames, you see GameStop branded accessories all over the place.
Post by: segagamer12 on February 20, 2007, 05:58:51 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on February 20, 2007, 05:59:52 AM
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Sure DS technically ain't the next generation graphics wise, but you have to say the touchscreen actually freakin works. I bought a Blask DS lite this week, and i have to say with sorrow... the PSP is its case in my drawer for the last 5 days... Sigh never thought this would happen.
...a clever disruption works in ANY market.
Edit - Segagamer: Game Gear was officially supported from 1990-1997, according to Wikipedia. So PSP could easily stay on the market for several more years. Sony is too strong to die off right away, I guess you could take comfort in the fact that PSP is never, ever going to be number 1, and PS3 probably won't either. That said, competition is good. When Nintendo has no competition, prices for us gamers are high.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 20, 2007, 07:32:18 AM
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PSP and PS3 may have some similar negatives, but if they fail, they'll fail for different reasons. I'm not going to start a whole big debate, mostly because I don't care enough. This is just where I stand.
It's not just their failings that unite them in commonality but the fact that both are being stomped by foes which share the same differences from their Sony-made counterparts.
The PSP is being beat by a Nintendo made system with inferior graphical capability, games intended to appeal to non-gamers and an innovative method of user input.
The PS3 is ALSO being beat by a Nintendo made system with inferior graphical capability, games intended to appeal to non-gamers and an innovative method of user input.
They're both losing the same battle in the same manner, just on different fronts.
Post by: Adrock on February 20, 2007, 08:20:21 AM
PSP is failing mostly because no one gives a sh*t about crappier versions of console games. DS didn't pull ahead until they offered an alternative. It has the traditional style games like New Super Mario Bros. and Final Fantasy III, but it also has creative new-styled games like Nintendogs and Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney.
I'm not convinced that PS3 would be getting beaten by Wii (or at least nearly as badly) if it wasn't $600. Take out the Blu-ray drive which cuts the pricetag nearly in half and PS3 would probably be sold out everywhere. The way I see it, all Sony had to do was not release a $600 console and they would've been fine.
With PS3, Sony left the door wide open. With DS, Nintendo didn't really make any huge mistakes. The first year was pretty shakey due to a lack of titles that took advantage of the hardware. Nintendo's big launch game was a slightly enhanced Super Mario 64... except that the original was built around the analog stick which DS unfortunately does not have.
The games on PS3 are coming. Nintendo just has to make sure they have a consistent flow of quality titles in a variety of genres coming to Wii by then.
Post by: segagamer12 on February 20, 2007, 08:49:06 AM
If you look at the releases for the system GG wasn't at all relevent after 94/early 95. Same with Genesis, it lasted LONGER than SNES, by three years I think it was, but the last two years it was like only a hadnful of games and its first two years were all SMS or Arcade ports for the most part. so the point is Sega is better than Sony. Besides either way, Sony is in deeper debt than Sega was at the time and I HATE Sony I LOVE Sega. DIE SONY DIE DIE DIE!!!
Plus Sega split thier own market between Nomad, CDX, and gameGear, so they kinda screwed themselves.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 20, 2007, 06:00:27 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
You mean the games that justify the HD era aren't even here yet?
I'D SAY THAT'S QUITE A BIGGER PROBLEM
Post by: couchmonkey on February 21, 2007, 03:26:24 AM
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wikipedia is full of errors. Sega produced GGs for that time and continued to allow development, but it was not a major contender for more than its first two years. MK and Sonic kept it afloat for a little while but I know more people who had GB's than GGs, and even I prefered the Nintendo handheld over Segas. Game Gear could also play SMS games so I think that helped in keeping it going, plus Sega continued to support thier hardware even *after* it was putitng them close to backruptcy.
If you look at the releases for the system GG wasn't at all relevent after 94/early 95. Same with Genesis, it lasted LONGER than SNES, by three years I think it was, but the last two years it was like only a hadnful of games and its first two years were all SMS or Arcade ports for the most part. so the point is Sega is better than Sony. Besides either way, Sony is in deeper debt than Sega was at the time and I HATE Sony I LOVE Sega. DIE SONY DIE DIE DIE!!!
Plus Sega split thier own market between Nomad, CDX, and gameGear, so they kinda screwed themselves.
Wikipedia never said it was 8 "good" years, just 8 years. Obviously the last few years for Game Gear don't count for much, but the point is it still had a few good years - even by your guess, it had about 4 years. PSP has only had 2, and it's already clearly losing to DS. My guess is that by this time next year, PSP will be looking pretty sad, unless Sony makes some radical changes.
As for Sony being deeper in debt than Sega, Sony is bigger than Sega was. If my family restaurant is $4 million in debt, that's a lot more serious than McDonald's being $30 million in debt.
Edit: But I'm getting all businessy here. I'll agree with you on this: DIE SONY DIE DIE DIE!!!
Post by: Ceric on February 21, 2007, 05:18:12 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkeyQuote
Originally posted by: segagamer12
wikipedia is full of errors. Sega produced GGs for that time and continued to allow development, but it was not a major contender for more than its first two years. MK and Sonic kept it afloat for a little while but I know more people who had GB's than GGs, and even I prefered the Nintendo handheld over Segas. Game Gear could also play SMS games so I think that helped in keeping it going, plus Sega continued to support thier hardware even *after* it was putitng them close to backruptcy.
If you look at the releases for the system GG wasn't at all relevent after 94/early 95. Same with Genesis, it lasted LONGER than SNES, by three years I think it was, but the last two years it was like only a hadnful of games and its first two years were all SMS or Arcade ports for the most part. so the point is Sega is better than Sony. Besides either way, Sony is in deeper debt than Sega was at the time and I HATE Sony I LOVE Sega. DIE SONY DIE DIE DIE!!!
Plus Sega split thier own market between Nomad, CDX, and gameGear, so they kinda screwed themselves.
Wikipedia never said it was 8 "good" years, just 8 years. Obviously the last few years for Game Gear don't count for much, but the point is it still had a few good years - even by your guess, it had about 4 years. PSP has only had 2, and it's already clearly losing to DS. My guess is that by this time next year, PSP will be looking pretty sad, unless Sony makes some radical changes.
As for Sony being deeper in debt than Sega, Sony is bigger than Sega was. If my family restaurant is $4 million in debt, that's a lot more serious than McDonald's being $30 million in debt.
Edit: But I'm getting all businessy here. I'll agree with you on this: DIE SONY DIE DIE DIE!!!
lol. I think that McDonalds could lose a dollar on ever burger they sold and still not go in debt for a few years.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 21, 2007, 06:39:38 AM
Post by: Urkel on February 21, 2007, 01:49:01 PM
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That said, competition is good. When Nintendo has no competition, prices for us gamers are high.
I think competition from the PSP is precisely the reason the DS is so awesome. If Nintendo had no real competition in the handheld market, they probably would've played it safe and released a GBA 2 instead of the DS.
But since Sony did enter the market, Nintendo realized what a threat they were, and that a GBA 2 simply wouldn't cut it. Sony's brand name was still incredibly strong at the time, and Nintendo's was... you know... So Nintendo was forced to try something drastically different.
While the fanboy in me would love to see the PSP in the grave already, my logical side knows that it's best that it sticks around to keep Nintendo on its toes.
Post by: darknight06 on February 22, 2007, 04:32:16 AM
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Post by: segagamer12 on February 22, 2007, 07:10:42 AM
so wait what was the point again? oh yes Sony must die.
Post by: Mikintosh on February 22, 2007, 05:59:45 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
Ok true, but the GG was more competitive than PSP, it directly attacked GB in its marketing, it could watch TV, it played SMS games (enhanced ports of NES and arcade games for the most part) and it had Sonic, GOOD Sonic, not crappy Sonic. Its few good years were beter than PSPs best so far. ALso it had a lot better market share and Sega always cliamed it was for gaming, Sony has since said PSP is the next walkman and isnt even trying to compete with DS anymore.
so wait what was the point again? oh yes Sony must die.
Didn't Sony roll out a TV thing that hook up to the PSP or something? Thought I saw it at a Sony Style store. I think Sega's Game Boy-bashing commercials ended up backfiring on them in a subtle way, because even though it had color, the games I've seen were all sucky imitations of Genesis games. If the GG games in Sonic Gems Collection were representative...that was not good Sonic. Like with the Genesis, Sega rose up by tearing Nintendo down, but when Nintendo came back on the rebound with DKC, it kinda knocked the wind out of them, from a mass-market perception, I think. Sony was better off not trying to compete in ads with the DS (because it didn't offer much for the average 10 year-old that the DS didn't), but they never really addressed the "make the consumer feel they need the product" angle.
I mean, I bought it, but only because I'm here at college with no console and I wanna play a pretty game occasionally. That's not most people.
Post by: segagamer12 on February 22, 2007, 06:07:45 PM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 23, 2007, 04:40:50 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on February 23, 2007, 04:50:38 AM
I think Nintendo did a good job of refining Game Boy and maintaining the low price-point and low battery consumption. The Game Boy also seemed to have better third party support, but that's just my impression, I don't remember for sure. I'd say Segagamer had a good point with Sega releasing three handhelds: it lost it's focus. What if Sega had engineered a new Game Gear that was smaller, cheaper, and easier on batteries instead of creating other handhelds?
I'd dare say Sega is a good example of how the quest for more powerful hardware is misguided. I think Genesis took some of the spotlight from NES and then Sega got to thinking that power was the key to winning all battles. So Game Gear and Nomad wind up being way more powerful than Game Boy, but they don't actually "win". Sega CD and 32X pump up Genesis' power beyond the Super NES, but Super NES actually starts pulling ahead in sales. More power is nice, but it's not the only thing.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 23, 2007, 04:58:47 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2007, 05:14:49 AM
QuoteI find it funny that the discussion has turned to how Sega f#cked up, lost focus and made the customers feel like they got screwed and now this new Sony news about PS3 in Europe. The situations are very different yet so much alike.
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Europe gets a more expensive, less capable and way too late PS3 and the cheaper one isn't available.
edit: Sony's Official Press Release
Post by: segagamer12 on February 23, 2007, 06:13:04 AM
To be honest I used to like Sony alot, untl recently in fact. i just always hated playstation brand. Now I hate Sony altogether so its deeper now. Sega used to be cool and now they are not, Sony used ot be cool and now they are not. See how it fits?
Post by: Kairon on February 23, 2007, 06:45:16 AM
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Post by: stevey on February 23, 2007, 09:27:36 AM
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Sony is handing out freebies to buyers of its PlayStation 3 as its hefty price appears to be scaring away shoppers.
The latest giveaway will take place in Australia, where the gaming console launches March 23. The first 20,000 buyers will receive a copy of the James Bond movie ``Casino Royale.''
Free downloads of the PS3 game ``Gran Turismo'' -- out since December for U.S. and Japanese PS3 owners -- also will be offered in Australia.
A PlayStation 3 model with a 60-gigabyte hard drive costs 999.95 Australian dollars ($790). The console costs $600 in the U.S., where it's been on sale since November.
lol
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2007, 05:47:23 PM
Post by: Kairon on February 23, 2007, 06:47:41 PM
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Post by: darknight06 on February 24, 2007, 03:19:40 AM
Continuing on with Sony, the PSP was an interesting little proposition. Nintendo had about what 85 to 90% of the handheld market at that time and I'm positive that Sony believed that if they infiltrated the handheld space with their brand they could probably eat a significant chunk of that pie from Nintendo (Sony was probably banking on Nintendo creating a sustaining N64 handheld). However that wasn't Sony's only goal. Remember, not that long ago the iPod (hate it or love it) completely disrupted the Walkman line of products and left Sony in a vulnerable state. Sony's hope with the PSP was that it would become "The Walkman of the 21st century" all while at the same time become the new handheld market leader. Or in other words "Take Handhelds Out Of The Gaming Ghetto". So what went wrong? The iPod STILL has 75 to 80% of the market and Nintendo disrupted handhelds in general with the DS, putting Gameboy to rest and sending the PSP down with it worldwide. Right now the PSP is partly responsible for their money problems, and the bad thing for them is that a stronger PSP isn't gonna get them out of the rut, it's already stronger more powerful tech. Playing up the multimedia aspects isn't gonna help either, that's what the iPod and various other devices can do. (memory sticks are still expensive)
Bottom line, despite how the PSP and PSX sold, the PS3 must become a computer. It must finish the brand's original goal of disrupting Microsoft and the PC platform (web browser, running Linux OS, USB ports recognize and install components). Blu-Ray must ultimately defeat DVD and HD-DVD to become the new standard. It must stop the X-Box 360 in it's tracks to keep it from taking over the living room and prevent Wii60 from shutting the door to their video game entry point (especially the Wii in Japan). It's not over yet, Sony still may have some opprotunities left but the path there isn't gonna be anywhere close to as cut and dry as it was the last time.
Post by: segagamer12 on February 24, 2007, 05:55:32 AM
With PSP Sony was continuing thier quest to kill NIntendo, knowing that GameBoy was thier most profitable division, they felt they had to take that away inroder to ensure thier victory. So far they have suceeded in shaking Nintendo up and making them fight harder for thier money, which has made them a better company in many ways. Sony never really was a threat though, despite what people think, Nintendo still had a strong enough impact on people they would always have enough loyalists to stay in business. They knew that but with srinking market share they had to go after a bigger pie because they kept losing the loyalists with so many screwups and flat out ignoring the fans on so many occasions.
I honestly think that Sony would have been better off if they hadn't killed walkman instead evolved it. The walkman may have been on decline but it still had astrong brand name and if they ahd focused on that and left PSP alone they could have been better off, becasue they would have had a cheaper mp3 player and they could have left out the umd crap altogether. The other big mistake they make is they like to use proprietary media formats, and thier stuff is always mroe expensive than other brands. So making an MP3 player that requires thier expensive media sticks vs a generic SD card or even a built in memory is what hurt them alot.
Still they arent competing directly with anyone anymore, before PS Sony competed with big electronics companies and inorder to secure funding for that and a staple place in the market, the bought out major holywood studios to have band to work with not to mention some negociating power. After enterting the video game market they still had to compete with big electronics companies and other hollywood studios, and now Sega and Nitnendo directly, seeing Panasonic enter the video game market along with JVC, and Phillips, three of their biggest competitors, was also liekly a major infouence on the desicion.
Now they got those guys out of video games, then decided to enter the PC market while there at it, and angered MS, who then had to respond by entereing Sonys bread and butter territory. Now they notonly have JVC, Panasonic, Phillaps, Sanyo, etc to compete with directly, they have Nintendo, and Microsoft also to worry about. Sony was way better off not entering video games directly because they could have worked with Nintendo and Sega still would have fallen and MS wouldnt have had a reason to enter video games like they did when they did.
Right now Sony is reaping what they sowed. They went on a rampage buying into as many markets as they could and trying to get bigger and bigger and now instead of having a core market to focus on and direct competition form handful of companies, they have thier hands in every major market and have to directly compete with too many companies to keep track of. Sony somehow expected thier own name to carry them for ever and now they are seeing that people have had enough of thier BS and want change. MS still has a good chance of sucessfully eliminating this new threat to thier software monopoly and they are going to go head to head with Sony until they do. See at thsi point MS *has* to get rid of Sony or get them out of thier territory or else people will start to see there are better Software and OS solutions than what they provide.
Post by: Amodaus1 on February 24, 2007, 06:53:05 AM
The PSP, yeah it didn't storm the handheld market like sony hoped. They play it down now, they say they have decent market growth, they're comparing the growth of the psp with the PS1 as its their first entry into the handheld market. But the reality is that sony wanted to capture proabably 50% of the market. They didn't come close, however, i doubt the PSP is doing as badly as eveyone suggests. It's still getting alot of third party support, not to mention sony is throwing alot of first party titles to the handheld. So it must be making some money.
As far as the state of the PS3, i read this months EGM and Game-informer, both had interviews with sony execs (one was Jack Tretton, both might of been with Jack Tretton, i don't own the GI to confirm) Either way, you can see the spin he was laying down in the interviews. Sony may not of had all the numbers they do now, but they must have been cringing at the bad press on the ps3, now that they have the numbers, esspecially the pitiful Japanese numbers, i wonder what kind of new spin they'll be willing to create.
Post by: Adrock on February 24, 2007, 12:01:35 PM
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darknight06 wrote:
Why else to do you think Microsoft would just jump in to the console space and be willing to lose 4 billion plus in the process and then release a new system after they get to a userbase
To make money in the long run. Microsoft rushed 360 to get a jump on PS3. They were probably hoping for a bigger lead with the headstart.
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segagamer12 wrote:
a lot of that is Sony stepped into MS territory witht he Vaio and PS and now MS is getting even by stepping into thier video game market Sony ahs pretty much taken over.
I'd say Sony is competing with companies like HP and Gateway more. Vaio laptops usually come with Windows (I've never seen one that didn't).
Post by: Kairon on February 24, 2007, 01:01:36 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 24, 2007, 01:43:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Amodaus1
What darknight said is intresting, it'd be funny if it was true, but id oubt sony really wanted to take on microsoft from day one of the ps1.
The PSP, yeah it didn't storm the handheld market like sony hoped. They play it down now, they say they have decent market growth, they're comparing the growth of the psp with the PS1 as its their first entry into the handheld market. But the reality is that sony wanted to capture proabably 50% of the market. They didn't come close, however, i doubt the PSP is doing as badly as eveyone suggests. It's still getting alot of third party support, not to mention sony is throwing alot of first party titles to the handheld. So it must be making some money.
As far as the state of the PS3, i read this months EGM and Game-informer, both had interviews with sony execs (one was Jack Tretton, both might of been with Jack Tretton, i don't own the GI to confirm) Either way, you can see the spin he was laying down in the interviews. Sony may not of had all the numbers they do now, but they must have been cringing at the bad press on the ps3, now that they have the numbers, esspecially the pitiful Japanese numbers, i wonder what kind of new spin they'll be willing to create.
Haha I read that EGM interview, it was so sad I almost felt sorry for the guy. Saying how the PS3 was selling so well, even though he failed to mention that at one point over 30 thousand were on ebay, and even then the bottom dropped out of it price wise (I know because I was hit with it).
Post by: darknight06 on February 25, 2007, 05:03:10 AM
Microsoft knew that Sony had to be onto something big. Rumors of a successor to the PS brand with DVD playback had to turn heads over there and at that point they figured it would be time to act. But first, they wanted an "in" into the industry. That's when they came to Sega a few years back about using Windows CE and Direct X for Dreamcast games. However, the reason why a game like Sega Swirl was one of the only titles that openly used Windows CE was because once Sega learned of Microsoft's true intentions they hurried up and got all developers on their API instead of Direct X. Microsoft had two goals when coming to Sega, one was to learn about the console industry. The other was to establish Direct X in the console space early so that when the DC died out (and they knew it would) doing X-Box ports of Dreamcast games wouldn't take much of anything because the groundwork would already be there.
Take it with a grain of salt if you will, but I know I gotta be right somewhere.
Post by: Kairon on February 25, 2007, 06:29:27 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 25, 2007, 07:27:15 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on February 26, 2007, 05:46:07 AM
Sony's mistakes are indeed due to trying to force its own disruptions into the market, while losing sight of what consumers want. I think Blu-ray is generally seen as the main culprit behind PS3's high price and late launch - but Sony figured that everyone would eat PS3 up and Blu-ray dominance would follow.
Sony's mistake was thinking that people care about the Playstation name. Why not assume that? After all, it sold over 100 million units of both previous systems. But Nintendo thought people cared about the Nintendo name, and three generations of home consoles since then have proven otherwise. People don't buy game systems for the name on the front, they buy them for the games. If Final Fantasy XIII and Metal Gear Solid 4 were available right now, more people might shell out $600 for the PS3...but they're not out and the way things are going, PS3 might have the worst third party support by the time they do arrive.
There's an analyst (yeah, I know) making the rounds today saying that PS3 will probably be number 1 because Sony has invested so much in increasing its internal development size (2200 employees versus < 1000 each for Nintendo and MS). While that's a good thing, I don't think it can compare to having the best third party support...I'm reminded of the Nintendo 64 "dream team" - Rare, Left Field, Angel Studios, et al. Nintendo kept N64 floating on that, but it was ultimately a big bomb compared to PSX. PS3 is off to a better start than N64 in a lot of ways, it still has much better third party support than N64 ever had, but it appears to be shrinking due to the lackluster launch.
Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 26, 2007, 07:05:00 PM
Rumble is sooooo last gen
Among other things he goes on to say that rumble is not needed anymore. The motion sensing is the new in thing.
He also says that they have are feeling no pressure to drop the price. Blu-Ray in the ps3 was the best decision they have ever made. Etc. Etc.
Post by: darknight06 on February 27, 2007, 02:51:42 AM
Unless this isn't PR BS and they actually mean it...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 27, 2007, 03:31:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Shorty McNostril
Here is something worth a laugh. A Phil Harrison interview.
Rumble is sooooo last gen
Among other things he goes on to say that rumble is not needed anymore. The motion sensing is the new in thing.
He also says that they have are feeling no pressure to drop the price. Blu-Ray in the ps3 was the best decision they have ever made. Etc. Etc.
You forgot the best quote though
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I think Nintendo, although I am very respectful of the innovation in Wii, and I think everybody should be respectful of it, I’m not sure that it has the technology base to propel that platform in the long-term. So I think their platform lifecycle is inherently going to be shorter, so they could have learned from us in terms of the high technology approach.
Post by: Arbok on February 27, 2007, 05:32:47 AM
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Originally posted by: darknight06
Whenever they get the price of the SixAxis down some, they're gonna put out one with rumble. You know they will. There's a certain controller out there that does both and then some and I know they aren't gonna let that slide for long.
There is also a certain lawsuit out there that stopped them from adding it in the first place:
http://www.lunabean.com/news/20050329_the_sony_patent.php
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 27, 2007, 06:44:40 AM
Post by: Blue Plant on February 27, 2007, 07:55:02 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 28, 2007, 01:47:08 AM
Yeah, I don't understand why can't so just admit that they couldn't get rumble in for legal reasons, and move on. I would have more respect for Sony if they weren't making excuses and bashing the competition to try to save public image. That is one reason I love Nintendo and I am encouraged by Microsoft, they aren't attacking each other as much, but instead just creating the games and gaming experience they want.
Post by: couchmonkey on February 28, 2007, 03:03:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Blue Plant
Gotta love dumb pride.
Bingo! I was reading someone recently who said that the fact that none of Sony's execs are admitting there is a problem here is a bad sign, and I think that may be true. It's like they're collectively slapping their hands over their ears and shouting "La-la-la, I can't HEAR YOU!" If that's the internal attitude, how are they going to fix any problems? I don't know if it's really the internal attitude - maybe they're just putting on a brave face for the press - but there are problems, and they need to be addressed.
My favourite quote is this:
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Talk to the people who run GameStop, talk to the people who run BestBuy, and they'll tell you that the demand is unprecedented and that they give us kudos for managing to keep a very sophisticated supply chain moving.
Yet somehow, Wii is outselling the "unprecedented" PS3.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 28, 2007, 05:06:37 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkeyQuote
Talk to the people who run GameStop, talk to the people who run BestBuy, and they'll tell you that the demand is unprecedented and that they give us kudos for managing to keep a very sophisticated supply chain moving.
Yet somehow, Wii is outselling the "unprecedented" PS3.
The ironic part is that these same Gamestops and BBs have PS3s in stock that aren't selling.
Good luck finding a Wii, STILL...
Post by: Ghisy on February 28, 2007, 05:17:06 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
I think Nintendo, although I am very respectful of the innovation in Wii, and I think everybody should be respectful of it, I’m not sure that it has the technology base to propel that platform in the long-term. So I think their platform lifecycle is inherently going to be shorter, so they could have learned from us in terms of the high technology approach.
OMG! Best.Quote.EVER.
Post by: segagamer12 on February 28, 2007, 06:43:39 AM
Post by: BigJim on February 28, 2007, 07:49:12 AM
Just in case you were as concerned as I was, Sony expects to resolve PS3 shortages by May.
Praise them for solving this crisis.
You have to give them credit. When was the last time Nintendo's PR made you laugh?
Post by: KDR_11k on February 28, 2007, 08:40:13 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 28, 2007, 09:04:49 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 28, 2007, 09:53:27 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
I figured it out. Sony must have hired Saddam's Minister of Information for their sales and research department.
Just in case you were as concerned as I was, Sony expects to resolve PS3 shortages by May.
Praise them for solving this crisis.
You have to give them credit. When was the last time Nintendo's PR made you laugh?
ROFL, that is hilarious, are you sure it isn't a joke? I've been seeing PS3s on the shelf all over the place since early January!
Post by: BigJim on February 28, 2007, 12:05:55 PM
Post by: Arbok on February 28, 2007, 02:10:37 PM
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"We're in pretty good shape to do that. The early returns are quite favorable," Tretton said.
In January, Sony sold 244,000 PlayStation 3s, compared to 294,000 for the Xbox 360 and 436,000 for the Wii.
LOL, love how that was ordered in the Reuters article.
Post by: IceCold on February 28, 2007, 05:13:25 PM
QuoteI'm sorry?
"It's a testament to the fact that we've been able to manufacture and ship units on a greater pace than any previous console," Tretton said.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 28, 2007, 06:10:32 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2007, 06:37:58 PM
Sony:
Shipped = manufactured and then moved to a Sony warehouse
Sold = Bought by Retailer, product shipped or in transit to local distribution channel
MS:
Shipped = Bought by Retailer, shipped to local distribution channel, possibly in transit to Retailer
Sold = Purchased from Retailer by customer
Nintendo:
Shipped = In transit to, or already in the hands of the Retailer.
Sold = Purchased from Retailer by customer
I don't remember seeing MS use the term "sold" very often and I don't remember seeing Nintendo use the term "shipped" at all.
Post by: IceCold on February 28, 2007, 06:46:05 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2007, 07:16:22 PM
QuoteI wasnt' saing it specifically to you or anyone for that matter. I was just stating it for whoever didn't already know.
Originally posted by: IceCold
I know that, but the Wii has sold more than the PS3 has shipped.
*whispers*
You never know whos lurking around here
Post by: KDR_11k on February 28, 2007, 08:04:04 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 01, 2007, 02:36:55 AM
Sony can say whatever it wants about shipping, the fact is Wii is kicking its butt. Sony counteracts with the usual spin: "People will lose interest because of the graphics..." Maybe that's true, but if you believe that people buy game systems for the games, then graphics don't matter that much and Nintendo's current sales bode very well.
Post by: capamerica on March 01, 2007, 03:17:52 AM
Sony tried attacking MS, saying MS uses the same definition as they do for "Shipped" and "Sold". With "Sold" meaning that the units have been Sold to the retailers. But MS came out and said that when they are referring to the system as being "Shipped" they mean the system has been Shipped to Retailers and when they say "Sold" they mean that the system is in the hands of the buyer.
Post by: Ceric on March 01, 2007, 04:28:02 AM
Looking at those definitions both Sony and MS send there product to the "base" of the company and at that point it's there problem to get it out. Which makes sense considering that both companies are in multiple markets and can lump shipments together. (Like Halo3 could come with a shipment of Windows Vista Copies. Save on freight.) This scheme it makes it much harder to find out the actual sold number. Though with proper contracting that could also be eliminated.
Post by: segagamer12 on March 01, 2007, 06:41:24 AM
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2007, 08:06:52 AM
Of course, videophiles can EASILY tell the difference, but most people out there honestly wouldn't go out of their way to notice the difference.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 01, 2007, 08:45:01 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 01, 2007, 08:56:37 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 01, 2007, 09:13:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
It's funny having people being pretty content with Zelda: TP's graphics when TP is COMPLETELY 100 % gamecube graphics. They just can't accept that just moments ago they were just happy with the graphics of a last-gen game on a new-gen system.
Of course, videophiles can EASILY tell the difference, but most people out there honestly wouldn't go out of their way to notice the difference.
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I know what you mean, personally games that I foujnd to be visually stunning people ripped for the visuals (Prey comes to mind)
Post by: couchmonkey on March 01, 2007, 10:37:40 AM
Other popular anti-Wii propoganda:
"It's a gimmick."
"Your arms will get tired."
"It's a novelty system that you pull out for parties and nothing else."
Post by: darknight06 on March 01, 2007, 11:20:08 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 02, 2007, 05:51:45 AM
Looks like Sony is out to rip off Nintendo yet again...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2007, 05:58:57 AM
QuoteWow, where have you been? I think there are atleast 2 other threads on that very topic on this site already. One of them in this section >HERE< and I think the other is in General Chat.
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Has anyone seen this?
Looks like Sony is out to rip off Nintendo yet again...
my only guess is that you are being sarcastic
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 02, 2007, 06:12:40 AM
Post by: MaryJane on March 02, 2007, 07:38:38 AM
Which is why when I finally buy my own Wii and can stop playing my brothers at the awkward moments he's not home, I'm also going to buy a 360 just on principal I can't own a 360 without owning a Wii first.
Sony is basically doomed, at first I gave them the benefit of the doubt (PS2 fanboys remaining faithful and solid titles) but with Wii taking over the market and 360 taking all of Sony's games. Really what hope is left? They can only throw money at the problem for so long before realizing its futility.
Also when you consider the fact that most of Sony's fanboys are people who originally went Benedict Arnold on Nintendo they don't have much hope in loyalty.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 02, 2007, 08:16:55 AM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane Also when you consider the fact that most of Sony's fanboys are people who originally went Benedict Arnold on Nintendo they don't have much hope in loyalty.
This is very true, and you also have to remember that Sony has less to cling to than Nintendo did in the way of exclusive franchises.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2007, 06:03:49 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 04, 2007, 07:30:30 AM
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The price cut will help double videogame-related losses for Sony's year ending March 31 to about $2 billion, erasing many of the efforts made by other units to boost profitability. "I think it's fair to say that any time you're aiming for the stars, you're running the risk of falling a bit short on your timetable," Mr. Stringer says.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2007, 07:40:56 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 04, 2007, 10:45:26 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Just thought you guys might want to read this interesting article on Sony's CEO Howard Stringer and all of his problems related to Sony(& K. Kutaragi)
With Management like that I can feel for the guy.
Post by: Kairon on March 04, 2007, 11:34:16 AM
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Post by: oohhboy on March 04, 2007, 12:23:45 PM
I almost feel sorry for the guy, but he knew what he was getting in to.
Post by: Kairon on March 04, 2007, 01:40:03 PM
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Post by: couchmonkey on March 05, 2007, 04:06:34 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 05, 2007, 06:48:39 AM
And on to some possible good news, but more likely bad news.
European stores are still pushing PS3 pre-orders and it less than 3 weeks away from launch.
I don't have many links, but I have seen a couple of the big Euro store websites and they have PS3 bundles of all sorts all still available for pre-order. All the link I have are for UK stores, since the UK was/is Sony Land and everyone would expect the UK to sell out first.
Now this either means that Sony has alloted a huge shipment of launch systems, which is completely believeable, since they probably just pulled leftover stock from the U.S. and Japan zing, it was a cheap shot and I took it, or they aren't getting as many pre-orders as they were hoping for.
Amazon UK <--still in stock for launch delivery
GAME UK <---all pre-order bundles still available
HMV UK <---PS3's still available for pre-order, in & out of bundles
I'm guessing it a combination of the two as sony has had 5 months to get their Euro stock built up for launch and people not wanting to drop that kinda money down for a video game console.
Post by: IceCold on March 05, 2007, 07:15:58 AM
Post by: Kairon on March 05, 2007, 07:34:21 AM
Too bad the Euro version doesn't have the emotion engine chip included anymore, so all backwards compatibility is done through software instead of hardware.
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Post by: MaryJane on March 05, 2007, 09:40:07 AM
Cnet Rticle entitled 10 things I hate about the PS3. The author owns one and has some pretty legit complaints.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 05, 2007, 09:54:44 AM
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A lot of folks have made a big hullabaloo about the PS3's lofty price tag, and I agree: it's an issue, though not necessarily a huge one if you look at the situation rationally. Compare the $500 base PS3 model to the $400 Xbox 360, and they're very similar from a features standpoint.
Why is it every yahoo who tries to "look at the situation rationally" assumes the Xbox 360 isn't too expensive? You know what else the PS3 isn't very expensive next to?
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 05, 2007, 10:22:38 AM
People were balking at the premium package as being too expensive for what you got...and that the core system is useless.
Now the PS3 comes out and its even more expensive and people forget that the Xbox 360 was on that edge of afford-ability already.
The comment that $499.99 for the low end PS3 isn't that much compared to what you get with the high end Xbox 360 is silly stupid...because the Xbox 360 is already priced out of the market. The proof is simple...Microsoft has had over a year and has only sold 10 million world wide, whereas Nintendo is approaching 6 Million in 4-5 months time (with two of those months being off season for sales).
The Wii may not be as graphically capable as the other next generation systems, but at least it is affordable for the masses, and as such people are buying it.
When you add an additional 100-200 on the price point of a luxury item people don't need then compare it to another luxury item already overpriced you aren't making a good argument.
Post by: MaryJane on March 05, 2007, 10:55:38 AM
At one point in time I believed the price of the PS3 slightly justified when it seemed like all the best game would be heading to that console. However, laying down $600 for a pretty much gameless console is absolutely ludicrous.
If the situation were desperate enough, and the Wii wa completely up and running with all the games coming out this year and a strong online setup, I would see paying $600 for one as reasonable.
Paying $400 for an X360 isn't bad wheb you think of the great games already released for it, and playing online without any major lag issues and with HD graphics it is totally reasonable.
Sony has a long way to go before proving their price is worth it. If they ever can.
Post by: Kairon on March 05, 2007, 11:16:01 AM
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Post by: Blue Plant on March 05, 2007, 12:00:05 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 05, 2007, 12:07:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
The PS3 sold around 230,000 odd systems in January. This may be a Sony Fanboi line, but that IS a lot of people who apparently think that $600 is worth it.
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Not as many that bought a Wii though.
Post by: hudsonhawk on March 05, 2007, 01:55:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
The PS3 sold around 230,000 odd systems in January. This may be a Sony Fanboi line, but that IS a lot of people who apparently think that $600 is worth it.
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Not as many that bought a Wii though.
What difference does that make? It's not a sports event. 40% of households have at least one console in them; that means there's room for multiple winners (and losers) within any given generation.
The more diversity within that the better, if you ask me. If there's one thing that all 3 companies have had their turn proving it's that monopolies are bad.
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 05, 2007, 02:20:43 PM
As it stands the end of 2007 and all of 2008 will be a huge year for the PS3...but by then Sony will probably have a price cut to compete with Microsoft...and then the early adopters are screwed.
Whereas, with the Wii the price was affordable (for the most part) and earlier adopters are getting a worthy experience throughout the first year of the Wii's life. The Wii most valuable asset is its variety that it has already proven to its supports with games, internet, weather, Miis, virtual console, news and much more.
When a price cut for the Wii comes I will not feel like I have been ripped off, or that I should have waited.
Post by: Ceric on March 05, 2007, 03:07:52 PM
My Mom saw the price of the PS3 today and the first thing out of her mouth was that the price was ridiculous. I explained a little of what she would get but still thought it was ridiculous.
Post by: Kairon on March 05, 2007, 03:08:15 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 05, 2007, 03:35:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
The way I see it, every PS3 sold is more or less one less XBox 360 sold. Don't forget: the Wii is "not competing!"
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Which is a load of crap, because the Wii is competing for consumer entertainment dollars. Personally I wouldn't shed one tear if the PS3 bombed, I personally have more faith and respect in Microsoft to compete with Nintendo than Sony. Sony has been bombastic and arrogant throughout this generation and I'd like to see nothing better then them to get mutilated by both Nintendo and Microsoft.
To hudsonhawk, those numbers do matter because in the grand scheme of things the 233 thousand does not matter, it still is painfully shy of getting Sony anywhere close to doing well. Perhaps this will send a message to the gaming industry that innovation is the future, not rehashing other company's ideas, and slapping a 600$ price tag on it is the way to go.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 05, 2007, 03:36:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Thinking of a speech Iwata made I think it will be a long time before we see a Wii price drop. Though he was addressing Videogame prices at that point.
My Mom saw the price of the PS3 today and the first thing out of her mouth was that the price was ridiculous. I explained a little of what she would get but still thought it was ridiculous.
Your mom ain't the only one. Both of my parents, who are big technophobes, saw the price of the PS3 and were saying "What the f&ck is the PS3 made out of?".
Post by: Kairon on March 05, 2007, 05:01:00 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Both of my parents, who are big technophobes, saw the price of the PS3 and were saying "What the f&ck is the PS3 made out of?".
POTENTIAL.
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Post by: MarioAllStar on March 05, 2007, 05:13:30 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 05, 2007, 05:54:20 PM
Oh, wait, I bought a Wii.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 05, 2007, 10:50:51 PM
Some of my favorites, just incase the page changes:
Kaption 1
Kaption 2
Kaption 3
Kaption 4
Kaption 5
Kaption 6
Kaption 7
Kaption 8
Kaption 9
Kaption 10
and I'm not the only one that thinks there is some sort of bet going on
Post by: capamerica on March 06, 2007, 04:22:49 AM
I want to see Sony dead and gone, They deserve nothing less from what they have put Nintendo through.
The PS3 is a OVER priced system that is only on par with the Xbox360. The only thing the Cell chip and Blu-Ray did was make the system over priced. When it comes down to graphics and a good controller the Xbox360 wins hands down. There is a reason why all of Sony's 3rd party system sellers are jumping ship and going multi-console. Mark my words Tekken, MGS4 and FFXIII will all be on the Xbox360.
The whole argument about price is BS. The reason we have the Core Xbox360 is so there is a $300 system which is priced at a point where people feel comfortable buying it, You don't need the $400 system to play Xbox360 games. Hell I bought the Core system myself by choice. I didn't need any of the stuff that came with the Premium so guess what I saved $100 which in turn went to buy some games for it. The only reason people buy the $400 pack is because its pretty much a value pack, they think their getting a good deal so they buy it.
The PS3 doesn't have a model that appeals to anyone except the diehard Sony fanboys. You go in to buy a PS3 and the first one you see is the over priced $600 model You can rarely find the $500 model and there is even talk that Sony is going to ax that model like they just did in the UK. And Hell if you can find a $500 model, for that price you can get a Xbox360 Premium Pack and 2 games!
When anyone goes into a store to pick up a Videogame console they are most likely going to buy a Wii. BUT When its a choice between the Xbox360 and the PS3 they will most likely buy the Xbox360, its $100 to $200 cheaper which speaks VERY loud, they have more games out for it, including many of your former Sony hits . XboxLive is FAR superior to Sony's joke of an online servers. And to top it off Xbox360 games looks better.
Screw the fact that PS3 has Blu-Ray, the next gen DVD war has pretty much fizzled out and nether side won. And truth be told both formats didn't bring anything to the table that is worth upgrading your DVD library too. Plus MS and Apple have the right idea, the future of Movies is downloadable not another disc based media format.
Its GameOver for Sony. Only the Diehard fans will buy it and even then those numbers will start to fade as more and more of Sony's series leave their system. DragonQuest already left who will be next to follow?
There is NO Potential with the PS3, everything it can do the Xbox360 can do and some times even better. The PS3 is an overpriced joke.
Long Live Wii60!
Post by: Ceric on March 06, 2007, 06:49:20 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 06, 2007, 08:31:12 AM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
My two cents:
I want to see Sony dead and gone, They deserve nothing less from what they have put Nintendo through.
The PS3 is a OVER priced system that is only on par with the Xbox360. The only thing the Cell chip and Blu-Ray did was make the system over priced. When it comes down to graphics and a good controller the Xbox360 wins hands down. There is a reason why all of Sony's 3rd party system sellers are jumping ship and going multi-console. Mark my words Tekken, MGS4 and FFXIII will all be on the Xbox360.
The whole argument about price is BS. The reason we have the Core Xbox360 is so there is a $300 system which is priced at a point where people feel comfortable buying it, You don't need the $400 system to play Xbox360 games. Hell I bought the Core system myself by choice. I didn't need any of the stuff that came with the Premium so guess what I saved $100 which in turn went to buy some games for it. The only reason people buy the $400 pack is because its pretty much a value pack, they think their getting a good deal so they buy it.
The PS3 doesn't have a model that appeals to anyone except the diehard Sony fanboys. You go in to buy a PS3 and the first one you see is the over priced $600 model You can rarely find the $500 model and there is even talk that Sony is going to ax that model like they just did in the UK. And Hell if you can find a $500 model, for that price you can get a Xbox360 Premium Pack and 2 games!
When anyone goes into a store to pick up a Videogame console they are most likely going to buy a Wii. BUT When its a choice between the Xbox360 and the PS3 they will most likely buy the Xbox360, its $100 to $200 cheaper which speaks VERY loud, they have more games out for it, including many of your former Sony hits . XboxLive is FAR superior to Sony's joke of an online servers. And to top it off Xbox360 games looks better.
Screw the fact that PS3 has Blu-Ray, the next gen DVD war has pretty much fizzled out and nether side won. And truth be told both formats didn't bring anything to the table that is worth upgrading your DVD library too. Plus MS and Apple have the right idea, the future of Movies is downloadable not another disc based media format.
Its GameOver for Sony. Only the Diehard fans will buy it and even then those numbers will start to fade as more and more of Sony's series leave their system. DragonQuest already left who will be next to follow?
There is NO Potential with the PS3, everything it can do the Xbox360 can do and some times even better. The PS3 is an overpriced joke.
Long Live Wii60!
Awesome post, I definately agree, personally I think MS deserves Kudos and success for what they did with the Xbox 360. It is a game built for gamers, with some killer software and a relatively fair price. With that said though I wouldn't want MS to dominate via a monopoly, then again I wouldn't want Sony or Nintendo either! Personally I'd rather see two console developers duke it out like Nintendo/Sony and Nintendo/Sega in the past. Then again if truth be told I'd rather two game developers duke it out for the console wars like Nintendo and Sega in the past.
Post by: Kairon on March 06, 2007, 08:35:05 AM
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Post by: Kairon on March 06, 2007, 08:37:10 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Krazy Ken Kutaragi Kaption Kompetition -- UK Resistance
Some of my favorites, just incase the page changes:
Kaption 1
Kaption 2
Kaption 3
Kaption 4
Kaption 5
Kaption 6
Kaption 7
Kaption 8
Kaption 9
Kaption 10
and I'm not the only one that thinks there is some sort of bet going on
That was AMAZING... Is that place a Sega fansite or something? It's great to see news that the resistance is alive and well, and that all is not well in Playstation Land (aka Europe).
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Post by: Khushrenada on March 06, 2007, 08:46:03 AM
It is true that Microsoft may win in North America but as long as Nintendo gets the lion's share of Japanese developers on their side, there will still be appeal for their console. That would leave Europe as the final battle ground and Europeans seem to be liking Nintendo's offerings lately. Again, in some ways, this would be close to Sega. Can't get much support in Japan, highly competative in North America. Can't remember the Europe situation.
Post by: Kairon on March 06, 2007, 08:58:57 AM
MS is VERY respectable. I just can't shake the feeling that they're a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 06, 2007, 09:58:06 AM
Oh God, tears of laughter. I somehow missed this one when viewing the site yesterday.
Post by: BigJim on March 06, 2007, 09:58:34 AM
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They deserve nothing less from what they have put Nintendo through.
lollerskates. Poor suffering Nintendo.
Post by: nickmitch on March 06, 2007, 01:09:38 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Krazy Ken Kutaragi Kaption Kompetition -- UK Resistance
Some of my favorites, just incase the page changes:
Kaption 1
Kaption 2
Kaption 3
Kaption 4
Kaption 5
Kaption 6
Kaption 7
Kaption 8
Kaption 9
Kaption 10
and I'm not the only one that thinks there is some sort of bet going on
4 and 9 are the same! I feel cheated.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2007, 04:57:16 PM
QuoteRegrets? .... I have NONE!!!
Originally posted by: TVmanQuote
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Krazy Ken Kutaragi Kaption Kompetition -- UK Resistance
Some of my favorites, just incase the page changes:
Kaption 4
Kaption 9
4 and 9 are the same! I feel cheated.
Post by: segagamer12 on March 08, 2007, 09:20:37 AM
Post by: Shift Key on March 08, 2007, 07:47:33 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
Sega OWNED Europe (or parts of it). They flopped in Japan and fought tooth and nail in US. It's cuz Japan was the only territory Nintendo *stomped* them in. Till the evil Sony came on the scene that is. I could look for the sales numbers but don't really have time.
NUMBERS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!
Post by: Ghisy on March 09, 2007, 12:37:16 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
Sega OWNED Europe (or parts of it).
Errr, when was that?
Because in the 16-bit era, Nintendo was the clear winner everywhere (worlwide). Then it was $ony with the PS1 and the PS2 for the next generations.
So I'm puzzled by your comment!
Post by: capamerica on March 09, 2007, 03:14:50 AM
DreamCast:
JP - 2.32 Million
USA - 4.60 Million
PAL - 2.21 Million
Here are all the sale numers for all the systems:
http://www.vgcharts.org/worldcons.php
Post by: couchmonkey on March 09, 2007, 10:10:55 AM
Post by: segagamer12 on March 09, 2007, 12:07:56 PM
Overal the difference between Genesis and SNES final numebrs wasnt far enough to say they creamed them. Only in Japan did they truly kill Sega.
Post by: Mikintosh on March 09, 2007, 02:01:35 PM
Yay, Game Boy is still on top by a bit; makes a handheld afficionado happy.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 09, 2007, 07:56:33 PM
Post by: segagamer12 on March 10, 2007, 05:17:30 AM
They have ALYWAYS been based in Japan. The problem is they focused more on US than Japan because they DOMINATED arcades everywhere and thought they could take US from Nintendo because they knew they couldn't in Japan. It's Nintendos home land too you know.
UPDATE
OK I maybe was a little off, it seams SMS is the system Sega had a stronger footing in. I always thought Genesis did too but it wasnt that sucessful over their either.
Post by: capamerica on March 13, 2007, 03:39:35 PM
http://kotaku.com/gaming/eragon/pal-ps3-backwards-compatability-progress-update-244005.php
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 03:50:11 PM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
The Inquirer just got their PAL PS3's and tested out PS2 games God of War, MGS 2: Sons of Liberty, MGS 3: Snake Eater, Shadow of the Colossus, Guitar Hero 2, Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones, Okami, GTA: Liberty City Stories, Eragon, Final Fantasy X-2, Ratchet & Clank 3, and Lumines Plus. Out of the 12, only one was backwards compatible. Eragon.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/eragon/pal-ps3-backwards-compatability-progress-update-244005.php
Wow, that is just sad.
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Post by: oohhboy on March 13, 2007, 06:55:33 PM
Removing the chip to me seems like a knee-jerk move on their part to cut down costs.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 13, 2007, 09:21:24 PM
BTW, why do you link to Kotaku when The Inquirer was the one that translated the story and Cynamite was the site that wrote it?
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Post by: Arbok on March 15, 2007, 05:57:35 AM
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jin-x shut the (&*& up, thats all personal preference.
The SNES being better then the Genesis is pretty much fact at this point, although I'm not sure why it would be such a touchy issue for you.
I was Genesis owner for most of the 16 bit generation, only getting on board the SNES when Donkey Kong Country came out... and boy did I regret not getting one sooner.
Post by: segagamer12 on March 15, 2007, 06:08:17 AM
dI never said ANYTHING about cpabilities, which I wont get into, because they both have strengths an weakneses. *THIS* is a Nintendo site so its obvious more people here like Nintendo, BUT that doesnt mean people 8can't* liek Sega more than Nintendo, I actually like them both pretty equally to be HONEST, but I ALWAYS HAVE and ALWAYS WILL tink Genesis had the better library, NOTHING will change that. Ia ctually *like* a lot of the games other people here don't and I *HATE* a lot of the popular SNES games. Why is that so hard to understand, it is ALL PESONAL PREFERNCE NOT FACT, so accept it.
Post by: Ghisy on March 15, 2007, 06:22:11 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2007, 06:29:14 AM
Only 10,000 PSP units "shipped" last fall, Retailers are not happy and say that...
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Something needs to happen with the PSP, ASAP.
That's the message retailers have, according to our sources, sent Sony. With sales of the PSP lagging (Sony's PSP hardware shipments to retailers last Fall were down 72 percent over the year before, only a meager 10,000 units in the U.S.), word is that a few big name retailers have given Sony a mandate: drop the price or they'll drop the system from their stores. Entirely. With shelf space at a premium, the expectation is for Sony to do something substantial to keep its hardware moving -- or else.
Coming up on the second anniversary of the PSP (March 24th), a price drop seems possible -- after all, the price was lowered by $50 two days before its first anniversary last year. But according to Sony, that's not yet in the cards. Speaking with John Koller, the Senior Marketing Manager for the PSP, at the Game Developers Conference last week, 1UP learned that a price drop was not announced to retailers at Sony's Destination PlayStation retailer event last week.
But something else was....
Rest of the story at the link
I know we heard about the 10k PSPs before, but now the retailers are threatening to pull support if Sony doesn't do something about lagging sales? I'm pretty sure this has more to do with software than hardware as they only get a very small profit on the hardware itself. I'm sure they are more concerened about the software cause thats where they make their most profit. PSP systems are actually selling decently in most regions, but no one buys the games. I'm not sure how Sony plans on fixing that since everytime they do a firmware update, it gets cracked in mere hours.
Post by: Arbok on March 15, 2007, 06:48:42 AM
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After stunning the world with home they are gonna drop the psps price and release a new version. Man oh man sony is making my day
And then of course there are just those comments that make you do a double take:
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There have been a TON of comments stating Sony needs to distance itself from their PlayStation (2) model of gaming. Well, that's the catch right? A system as powerful as this should do things closer in caliber to that of its home-console brother right? .... Is Nintendo doing much to separate it's Wii experience from that of the DS...not really. Most of their Wii games feel like glorified DS titles so why isn't anyone complaining on this front?
Post by: couchmonkey on March 15, 2007, 06:53:21 AM
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Post by: Khushrenada on March 15, 2007, 07:31:23 AM
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ppl here don't see how this can turn into a good thing. Look at Nokia's N-Gage. While not entirely successful at first, the redesign looks promising. Mark my words, Sony and Nokia will be leading the handheld race within months... you'll see.
I can only hope the person who posted that was joking but you never can tell with some of these PSP fans.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 15, 2007, 07:39:56 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2007, 09:29:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Khushrenada I can only hope the person who posted that was joking but you never can tell with some of these PSP fans.
I'm just going to go ahead and dub that sarcasm.
Post by: segagamer12 on March 15, 2007, 09:45:46 AM
Post by: Arbok on March 15, 2007, 10:03:00 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
So does that mean PSP will finaly begin its death march? If so I am happy.
I honestly doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the handheld getting smaller store space allotments due to this.
Post by: segagamer12 on March 15, 2007, 12:34:17 PM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 17, 2007, 02:08:30 AM
"It's official - the PS3 is cheaper than the combined price of two more expensive things. It's certainly food for thought."
The Sony spin machine is working quadruple overtime to prepare for the European launch.
Biased UKR p.o.v. or not, its all still really funny.
and specialty retailer Game continues to not help the situation
Game spreading more FUD out of desperation?
PS3 backwards compatible with 100% of all PS2 & PS1 games? Even with the PS2 inside, Sony only claimed 98% BC, how does it get to 100% through software, especially when it rumored to only support 1000(+/-) titles at launch?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 17, 2007, 02:44:13 AM
Also I love how Sony insists on comparing the price with something that includes every single feature of the PS3 rather than just the ones people care about (reminds me of how some Mac fanboy here defended the price of Apple's PCs).
EDIT: Oh, look
Post by: capamerica on March 18, 2007, 04:15:39 AM
When Joystiq spoke with Sony's David Karraker earlier this week he told them that, "Overwhelmingly, retailers have been requesting the 60GB model, the mix has been about 80 percent 60GB, 20 percent 20GB retailer orders." With Best Buy's decision to no longer carry the unit, a major retailer has walked away from the 20GB table, obviously the margins were better on the 60GB model. Sony says they are still producing 20GB models.
Intresting enought Sony loese the most money on the 20GB model, Sony also desided to not release a 20GB model in the UK. So one has to think if Sony may have been nugeing Retailers into dropping the model.
This also makes a LARGER gap between the PS3 and the Xbox360. Why Drop $600 on a PS3 when you can get a Xbox 360 Premium for $400.
Post by: darknight06 on March 18, 2007, 06:20:49 AM
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This also makes a LARGER gap between the PS3 and the Xbox360. Why Drop $600 on a PS3 when you can get a Xbox 360 Premium for $400.
Final Fantasy XIII? Actually that's a good question...
Post by: Arbok on March 18, 2007, 06:28:06 AM
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Originally posted by: darknight06
Final Fantasy XIII?
$5 says, if it doesn't go multi-console, that FFXIII will become the Ocarina of Time of this generation: the system's owners will eat it up, but it will be released far too late to impact the momentum already established in the industry.
Post by: Ceric on March 18, 2007, 10:25:02 AM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: darknight06
Final Fantasy XIII?
$5 says, if it doesn't go multi-console, that FFXIII will become the Ocarina of Time of this generation: the system's owners will eat it up, but it will be released far too late to impact the momentum already established in the industry.
I could definitely see that. I could also see that being the game that is the first to actually eat up all the space available on a Blu-Ray disc and require a second one. (Which would make it a monster even compared to ANY PC software.)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 18, 2007, 10:44:38 AM
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Final Fantasy XIII?
$5 says, if it doesn't go multi-console, that FFXIII will become the Ocarina of Time of this generation: the system's owners will eat it up, but it will be released far too late to impact the momentum already established in the industry.
I could definitely see that. I could also see that being the game that is the first to actually eat up all the space available on a Blu-Ray disc and require a second one. (Which would make it a monster even compared to ANY PC software.)
Yeah usually PC games rely more on gameplay to fill up space instead of FMVs. Oh wait did I say that outloud?
Post by: Ceric on March 18, 2007, 11:34:56 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 18, 2007, 11:47:19 AM
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Well actually I used "ANY PC software" because I was including such things as OS's and commercial software. Which can be big when fully fleshed out. But actually know that I think about it if they use multiple Blu-Ray discs that would be more the my lab image, which is around 30 gigs, which is chopped full of all the software I could find to put on it that would be useful.
Ah ok, you I still doubt that the new FF game will use the full disk, if it does, I bet with alittle compression (maybe even to the point where you hardly see any difference) it could go on Xbox 360 whether it be 1 or 2 DVDs.
Post by: capamerica on March 18, 2007, 01:13:28 PM
I think its a safe bet that FFXIII will be small enough that we could see a version on the Xbox360 and I would even be willing to bet it would be small enough to fit on a Dual Layer DVD.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 18, 2007, 01:59:19 PM
“Wii is a wonderful device, but has a different target audience. If we fail, it is because we positioned PS3 as the Mercedes of the video game field. PS3 is after a different audience and it can be whatever it wants — a home server, game device, even a computer.” - Sony Boss Howard Stringer
I'm all up for optimism, but touting your failure is a bit too much. Plus, the company that makes Mercedes actually sells cars.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2007, 02:07:27 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 18, 2007, 02:18:13 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 18, 2007, 02:19:21 PM
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Because Mercedes cars are, from what I hear, actually pretty good cars, thus the luxury price of one is justified.
Thus, people actually want to buy them.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 18, 2007, 06:07:04 PM
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Plus, the company that makes Mercedes actually sells cars.
Well...erm...not to nitpick...but it's not like the PS3 isn't selling at all...
And it would be selling a lot more if it weren't so bloody expensive...much like a Mercedes...
Post by: KDR_11k on March 18, 2007, 06:26:24 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 18, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
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Plus, the company that makes Mercedes actually sells cars.
Well...erm...not to nitpick...but it's not like the PS3 isn't selling at all...
And it would be selling a lot more if it weren't so bloody expensive...much like a Mercedes...
Not really, at least each Mercedes car is making money, the PS3 is LOSING money on each system sold by the hundreds.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 18, 2007, 09:00:14 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 18, 2007, 09:06:46 PM
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Sony could have taken the market by storm had they released a 300-400$ downspecced PS3 that lacked most if not all non-gaming features.
Not sure they would have taken the market by storm because Wii and Xbox 360 have made much larger dents in the market (especially Xbox 360). But I agree that it definately would have been much more competitive. It is sad really, if they took out the harddrive (Hey you can use any external HD for it) they could have probably knocked the price down to 400-500$ maybe less.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 18, 2007, 10:07:03 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2007, 10:15:43 PM
If Blu ray becomes the industry standard, Sony is looking to make alot of money over the next 10-15 years with the sale of movies. The playstation was the best leverage that they had to put a Blu Ray player into your home and a PS3 w/o BRD as a standard in every PS3 is not gonna help Sony in the longrun. You guys are all focusing on the short term of the business. Remember what the analyst says; PS3 will take off in 2009 and reclaim the lead by 2010.
If the analyst says it will happen.... it.will.happen.
Post by: Shift Key on March 18, 2007, 11:47:56 PM
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Remember what the analyst says; PS3 will take off in 2009 and reclaim the lead by 2010.
If the analyst says it will happen.... it.will.happen.
Analysts are full of crap. They get paid to draw conclusions and talk rubbish and theorize on the future. WHAT IF A BUTTERFLY FLAPS ITS WINGS IN SOUTH AMERICA? BET YOU DIDN'T ANALYZE THE BUTTERFLIES SONY!
Just because Blu-Ray is out there, doesn't mean its going to take off anytime soon. Hell, there's already plans for a HD-BR-DVD hybrid disc so that both systems can play the movie. I don't see either making inroads on DVD while HDTV uptake is slow and TV broadcasts are still mostly in analog.
Sure, its probably different in the States or Japan, but in Australia they've pushed back the cutoff date for analog broadcasts to 2009, and there's been talk of digital TV here since 2002 (i think, well that's the first I've heard). Again, we're not a huge market, but the lack of interest in cutting edge video and audio technology will hurt the PS3 from the moment it launches here. But if we're not going to make use of the features, then what's the point? Most people can't tell the difference between standard digital TV and HDTV anyway (unless your TV is over 50 inches wide you're just wasting money on expensive players and media).
Also, I laughed at how much time they hyped up the PS3 as being "the centre of your home entertainment system" on some breakfast TV show today. They also demonstrated how to make a photo slideshow with it. Yeah, great use of the Cell processors. Pity no-one's interested in that price tag. Or the games.
I wonder how long Sony will hold onto that price tag before they realise that shipped != sales. Even Harvey Norman is promoting it to death, and I reckon the launch will be a huge failure. Stay tuned folks!
Post by: Jin-X on March 19, 2007, 12:12:00 AM
That whole notion that the Wii will keep widening the gap the PS3 for 2 years, then the PS3 will start outselling is retarded. By that time the Wii would have long won since 3rd parties would have jumped ship. Its basically a domino effect and if Sony doesn't turn it around this year (which they won't because of the price) then they are screwed.
Post by: Shift Key on March 19, 2007, 12:18:38 AM
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BlackNmild was being sarcastic.
I know. I wasn't having a go at him. Just at analysts.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2007, 03:14:09 AM
Pretty disappointing, really.
Post by: Ceric on March 19, 2007, 06:37:53 AM
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My parents just got themselves an HDTV and I have to agree: despite the fact that we have digital cable, there is very little bring broadcast which runs in 1080.
Pretty disappointing, really.
Which is a shame because the ones that do even the content that is done in standard on those look and sound better. Also there are some stations who new content have been shot as HD for about 7 years now *cough* Sci-Fi *cough* but don't have an HD version.
Also regarding HD here in the States. The cutoff was originally like 2001 but last a heard it was pretty much on hold indefinetely. Personally I can't wait because I have seen HD stations on my TV and I'm itching to watch cartoons in HD.
The most telling thing though is that nearing the originally deadline for HD every Commercial was shot in HD. Now barely see any.
Post by: Arbok on March 19, 2007, 06:51:37 AM
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Also regarding HD here in the States. The cutoff was originally like 2001 but last a heard it was pretty much on hold indefinetely.
According to the FCC, it has been set at February 17, 2009 since last year:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html
Consumers be damned, I guess, as the HDTV penetration rate in the states isn't nearly widespread enough to do a forced transition to HD, IMO. It is still two years off, though.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 19, 2007, 07:06:11 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 19, 2007, 07:40:14 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on March 19, 2007, 09:13:08 AM
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I think it should just happen. Personally. There are converter boxes to downconvert the signal. Plus I'm fairly sure all Cable and Satelite boxes will do it as well from the get go.
So a majority of tv owners are now required to own extra equipment because the few want a luxury? I really don't see a reason to force HD at all. If HD is really as popular as everyone wants it to be it will be adopted by the tv stations if they want to keep up with ratings. Is there really a reason it needs to be legislated into practice especially when it already didn't work once?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 19, 2007, 09:31:59 AM
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So a majority of tv owners are now required to own extra equipment because the few want a luxury? I really don't see a reason to force HD at all. If HD is really as popular as everyone wants it to be it will be adopted by the tv stations if they want to keep up with ratings. Is there really a reason it needs to be legislated into practice especially when it already didn't work once?
The government isn't really trying to force HDTV on us. That's a myth, and I suspect TV manufacturers and resellers don't have any qualms perpetuating it. The government wants all broadcasters to switch to digital broadcasts. It doesn't matter if the signal is HD or not. Digital over-the-air broadcasts will use only a fraction of the spectrum currently being used, freeing up much of it to be reallotted.
Because this is about over-the-air broadcasts, most cable subscribers won't even notice a change. Satellite subscribers might need an adapter if they use an antenna to get local stations.
Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 19, 2007, 09:38:41 AM
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Also, I laughed at how much time they hyped up the PS3 as being "the centre of your home entertainment system" on some breakfast TV show today. They also demonstrated how to make a photo slideshow with it. Yeah, great use of the Cell processors. Pity no-one's interested in that price tag. Or the games.
Yeah, I saw that little segment. That guy is in love with the PS3. What really knocked the wind out of me was when he said it was worth paying more than double than what the $1000 they are charging for it, that we were getting a bargain. What he also failed to mention was that pretty much all the stuff he was praising the ps3 for doing, was also doable on the wii, HD and Blu-ray aside of course. And then there was the misleading answer about BC. He gave the impression that most ps2 games would be playable on our PAL ps3's. We all know how that experiment ended up.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 19, 2007, 01:44:44 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 19, 2007, 02:13:27 PM
Post by: Jin-X on March 19, 2007, 04:04:12 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 19, 2007, 04:49:45 PM
And where's the Ace Combat news?!?!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Jin-X on March 19, 2007, 05:04:44 PM
Emotion Engine gone
Ace Combat 6
While I don't know the reliability of the site where the EE story originated, it's pretty safe to assume that if they took out of the European one to save costs that they would take out all of them.
Post by: Shift Key on March 19, 2007, 07:17:12 PM
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While I don't know the reliability of the site where the EE story originated, it's pretty safe to assume that if they took out of the European one to save costs that they would take out all of them.
Yep, its been pulled from PAL systems. So backwards compatibility has gone to hell. Sounds like the Kotaku article a while ago of a 1-in-13 hit rate isn't far off.
Post by: segagamer12 on March 19, 2007, 07:38:38 PM
We bought a TV from a store that wa Sony a couple months ago, the sales person told us the TV could support Progressive Scan and had Component Hook Ups, so we bought it cuz I wanted to hook the Wii up to it, its a flat screan tv and looks better than our old tv.
So ok I get it home, hunt down some Wii Component cables and hook it up set it for progressive scan and what do I see? a scrambled mess of a picture with no colors! I was pissed. SO I sent sony an email and asked whats wrong? Well their response was pretty straight forward.
>>Thank you for contacting Sony Online Support.
We understand that you want to know whether your television ********
supports
Progressive scan when connected to Nintendo Wii using component cables.
We like to inform you that your TV will
not support Progressive scan while connected
via component cable.
Your television does not posses this
capability. However regarding display resolution,
it depends upon the input source provided to TV.
We hope that this information is helpful to you. If you need any
further assistance, feel free to contact us. We will be glad to assist you.
Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance.
Your Sony Email Response Team<<
SO in other words... My tv cant do Progressiv scan when hooked up using Component cables, but it depends on the input source? What does that mean? I thought the Wii *WAS* the input source?
So I sent another email asking for clarification and all they sent back was the manual for the TV which said resolution 1080i in big letters but small letters said 480i only!?!?! WHAT!? No mention of progressive scan anywhere excpet "supports component resolutions via Progressive Scan Capable DVD Player"? Sony is so effing confusing.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 19, 2007, 07:52:36 PM
Ah, so 3.0 was the verb. I read that as "Phil Harrison's pet was subjected to his proposed Game 3.0 model".
While I don't know the reliability of the site where the EE story originated, it's pretty safe to assume that if they took out of the European one to save costs that they would take out all of them.
I seem to recall Sony stating that this would be for all future revisions, not just the PAL one (after all it wouldn't make sense to cut costs only in the territory where the PS3 is the most expensive already).
Post by: Ghisy on March 19, 2007, 08:20:57 PM
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Phil Harrison's pet game 3.0'd
OMG IT'S THE DUCKY GAME!!!!!
I told ya the PS3 was for teh kiddies.
Post by: BigJim on March 19, 2007, 08:51:21 PM
The Feb 2009 cutoff is for over-the-air broadcasts. You're only affected if you use an antenna to receive your TV signal (10% of households). This won't matter to cable and satellite users.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 20, 2007, 03:20:54 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 20, 2007, 06:14:31 AM
Also how could the game stick so bad. It had 7+ years of developement.
Ummm... Wow.
None of the Games I own/Want to play on the PS3 but my PS2 broke are on there...
Also none of the popular series that I'm interested in...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2007, 06:27:22 AM
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The backward compatible game list for Europe has been released.
They may claim 75% BC but what does "Should play on PLAYSTATION®3 with noticeable issues" really mean?
edit: Microsoft says: One down two to go
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Boris Schneider-Johne, Xbox Product Manager of Microsoft Germany, today hints at his blog, called dreisechtig.net (German for threesixty), that Devil May Cry 4 may only be the first of three exclusive PS3-games coming also to Xbox 360.
On his blog, he posted the following phrase:
"One down, two to go"
Followed by the names of three games: Devil May Cry (striked), Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid.
But he also does some damage control shortly afterwards...
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"Yes, this is just a personal checklist of franchises that I and plenty of others would like to see on Xbox 360. In no way, shape or form is that an announcement list, an internal Microsoft shopping list, a “I know more than you do” list or something like that."
But I think we all know that it really is... a shopping list that is.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 20, 2007, 07:34:45 AM
Post by: Arbok on March 20, 2007, 08:54:47 AM
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I can't see Square-Enix moving Final Fantasy to the Xbox 360, the XB360 is everything but dead in Japan right now.
I couldn't see them moving XIII to the 360 of their own accord, due to the performance of the system in Japan as you cited, and to that extent I agree... However, Microsoft knows how important the series would be to the Japanese market, and that getting it on the 360 could be the "straw that breaks the camel's back" in respects to the PS3. So with some extra monetary compensation, I certainly wouldn't count it out of the range of possibilities.
Post by: Ceric on March 20, 2007, 09:10:32 AM
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I can't see Square-Enix moving Final Fantasy to the Xbox 360, the XB360 is everything but dead in Japan right now.
I couldn't see them moving XIII to the 360 of their own accord, due to the performance of the system in Japan as you cited, and to that extent I agree... However, Microsoft knows how important the series would be to the Japanese market, and that getting it on the 360 could be the "straw that breaks the camel's back" in respects to the PS3. So with some extra monetary compensation, I certainly wouldn't count it out of the range of possibilities.
Agree. But what I would like to know is how the FF numbers in Japan compare to the rest of the World. If memory serve it came up here before that the Final Fantasy Series was not nearly as popular in Japan, but stil popular, where Dragon Quest is preferred. If that is true and the rest of the world numbers dwarf the Japan numbers moving to the 360 doesn't sound near as ludicruos. The 360 has more penetration in Europe and US then the PS3. Probably will maintain it as well though the next 2 years.
Post by: SixthAngel on March 20, 2007, 09:20:12 AM
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If I remember correctly Final Fantasy games have always been exclusive with a possible pc release waaaay down the line. Square in general has never been big on the multiconsole idea. I can't think of any mutliconsole games they have done off the top of my head, can anybody else? I think them porting FF anywhere is pretty slim, they will just delay it a lot so the ps3 has a better userbase when they release it.
FFXI and FFVII. The Bouncer I think showed up on PC. Though Multi-Console out of the gate no. Except for FFXI if memory serves.
Also I think they just announce a switch. It's only coming to 1 console and possibly PC much later down the road. (Which may be the only way I ever get to play FFXII)
Post by: capamerica on March 20, 2007, 11:03:30 AM
Technically Final Fantasy I-VIII & XI have all been multi-console games.
FF 1 and 2 have been on the NES, PSX, WonderSwan and GBA
FF 3 was on the NES and DS
FF 4, 5 and 6 have been on the SNES, PSX, WonderSwan and GBA
FF7 and 8 was on the PSX and PC
FF11 was on the PS2, PC and Xbox360
And just because it hasn't been done in the past doesn't mean it can't happen now.
Devil May Cry 1 and 2 were only on the PS2 and DMC3 was also on the PC and now DMC4 is going to the PS3, PC and Xbox360.
We never thought Square would go multiconsole. They have always been for one system or the other. NES, SNES, PSX and half of the PS2 life before they decided to support Nintendo and now they are supporting Microsoft too which everyone thought would never happen.
The engine that FFXIII is on has been confirmed to be multiconsole. IF Square wants to FFXIII can easily make the jump to multiconsole. Now sure FFXIII might not sell very well in Japan on the Xbox360 but you have to remember about the US and Europe where the Xbox360 is a WHOLE lot bigger then the PS3. If Square wants FFXIII to just be played by a very small market they will keep it PS3 exclusive but if they want to get FFVII and FFX sale numbers they are going to have to make it multiconsole.
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 20, 2007, 12:22:32 PM
On the PS2, FFX sold 3.02 million copies in Japan, FFX-2 sold 2.41 million and FFXII has 2.42 million copies. I doesn't matter how much Square has to downgrade, they'll find a way to put FFXIII on the Wii because I dont see them letting go of their Japanese fanbase that makes up around 40-50% of the overall sales for each Final Fantasy.
Plus there's the fact that at the rate the Wii is selling, it will surpass the 360 in sales sometime in July or August, which would make it the system that would sell more copies of FFXIII in both America and Europe. Which will pretty much force Square to have to port the game to the Wii when the Wii is the most popular system around the world and the ONLY system that can pull in the high sales numbers the previous games in the series have been pulling in.
Post by: segagamer12 on March 20, 2007, 01:42:58 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 20, 2007, 02:44:25 PM
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not to mention xbox fanoys *hate* FF games. It wont sell on Xbox PERIOD.
I would not say that, like most exclusives, people on them "hate" the game until it comes out on their system, then they love it.
Post by: capamerica on March 20, 2007, 02:53:13 PM
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If Final Fantasy XIII was to be put on a system other then the PS3 it would go on the Wii long before the X-Box 360. That's because they NEED the Japanese market for Final Fantasy games. Every Final Fantasy since FFV has sold over 2 million copies in Japan, and so Square would want to put the game on a system that can hit those numbers. With the 360 dead and gone in Japan, the Wii is the ONLY system that could hit those numbers in Japan.
It won't go to the Wii do to the fact that the Wii is underpowered, FFXIII would need to be seriously downgraded to be playable on the Wii while a Xbox360 port would take almost no changes. maybe FFXIV will go to the Wii but Sqaure is not about to put another year into the game just so it can be on the Wii. Their best bet to break even with FFXIII is to make a Xbox360 and PC ports just like FFXI. It might not sell well in Japan but it would sell very well in the US and Europe. Square doesn't just care about how well it would sell in Japan they care about how well it will sell world wide. If Square only cared about Japan then why on earth would they even show any suport to Microsoft in the first place.
And who says the Xbox360 is dead and gone in Japan. Sure its not selling extremly well but its still selling, When the Xbox360 hits less then 100 units sold a week then yes you can say its dead and gone. But until then its still doing well. If the Xbox360 could just get more titles aimed at the Japan market like Blue Dragon and IdolMaster then they might have a good chance at pulling away more users from Sony.
I would be willing to bet that if Final Fantasy XIII was released day one on both the PS3 and Xbox360 in Japan that you would see more copies of the Xbox360 version sold then the PS3. Why? Because Japan isn't stupid when it comes to money. They will buy a system for 1 game and if they can save $200+ on the system they will go with that. They will by a Xbox360 for Final Fantasy XIII because its the cheaper console.
Its a battle between Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo is off doing their own thing and it won't be untill later that we see more series moving over to the Wii, But right now developers are not going to drop years of work on games just to downgrade them and port them to the Wii.
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not to mention xbox fanoys *hate* FF games. It wont sell on Xbox PERIOD.
Says who? I know alot of Xbox fanboys who like Final Fantasy and only own a PS2 for thouse games alone.
Its sterotypical images like that that has made people believe that Nintendo fanboys hate Mature titles and only like Baby games.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 20, 2007, 03:02:29 PM
Post by: Rhoq on March 21, 2007, 02:41:08 AM
Since I just recent bought a Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player, I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't enjoy seeing Sony's BluRay take a huge hit if this were to come true (No GTA = even greater lack of interest in the PS3 thus effectively stalling the growth of BD).
Post by: segagamer12 on March 21, 2007, 03:01:38 AM
Its sterotypical images like that that has made people believe that Nintendo fanboys hate Mature titles and only like Baby games.<<
It's not stereotypical, the majority of die hard xbox fans do not like FF or those types of games.
Dude DONT argue just for the sake of arguinggod damnint! IF anyone else had made that statement it would have been acceptable!
FF sells like S**T on Xbox, Xbox fans are VERY VOCAL about how much it sucks, that doesnt mean it wont GO to Xbox, which is what everyone seams to want for some unknown reason. But you *know* as mucha sI do it wont be a phenominal hit on that system *because* thier big fanbase is not interetse din those types of games, The people who got a ps2 for those games *will* get a ps3 also. Those people will buy all three systems.
Get over yourselves Damn I ams ick of arguing with peopel over things that are obvious. just f*&$ off.
Post by: Dryden on March 21, 2007, 03:08:36 AM
Remember that Sony's success rides on them being able to sell PS3s. And FF XIII - and for that matter the GTA series - moves systems. Sony knows that it's major franchises and supporters are dwindling, they are going to make a pretty serious grab and what they can retain.
That being said, don't expect Microsoft to buy out Take Two without SCEA entering the fray.
Post by: capamerica on March 21, 2007, 03:52:19 AM
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>>Says who? I know alot of Xbox fanboys who like Final Fantasy and only own a PS2 for thouse games alone.
Its sterotypical images like that that has made people believe that Nintendo fanboys hate Mature titles and only like Baby games.<<
It's not stereotypical, the majority of die hard xbox fans do not like FF or those types of games.
Dude DONT argue just for the sake of arguinggod damnint! IF anyone else had made that statement it would have been acceptable!
FF sells like S**T on Xbox, Xbox fans are VERY VOCAL about how much it sucks, that doesnt mean it wont GO to Xbox, which is what everyone seams to want for some unknown reason. But you *know* as mucha sI do it wont be a phenominal hit on that system *because* thier big fanbase is not interetse din those types of games, The people who got a ps2 for those games *will* get a ps3 also. Those people will buy all three systems.
Get over yourselves Damn I ams ick of arguing with peopel over things that are obvious. just f*&$ off.
How do you know that the "majority" of diehard xbox fans do not like FF do you have a poll of all Xbox Fanboys to prove that? If die hard xbox fanboys hate FF so much why is there so much noise about wanting it? Why was getting Blue Dragon such a huge deal to all of them? How can you claim that FF sells like S**T on the Xbox when we have only got Final Fantasy XI on the Xbox360 and thats not a fair example of how the game will do since first its a MMO and not a true Final Fantasy game and second the game was over 4 years old when it finally came out on the Xbox360. Thats like saying "oh Doom 1 sells like sh*t on the Xbox".
Good RPS sell well on the XBox, just look at how well KotoR did.
NO ONE will be stupid enough to buy a PS3 just for Final Fantasy. You would have to be a Major DIEHARD fan to do that. Its not like dropping $200 on another system the PS3 is F*cken $600! Think about that. ANYONE who is given the option of buying a Xbox360 or a PS3 for the next Final Fantasy will in a heart beat pick the Xbox360. Its $660 vs $360. And I would be even more willing to bet that if Final Fantasy XIII makes it to the Xbox360 MS would release a special bundle for it.
Your argument is full of holes and is majorly flawed.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 21, 2007, 04:02:50 AM
Post by: segagamer12 on March 21, 2007, 04:17:08 AM
Have you? Maybe a handfuyll of die hard gamers but the MAJORITY of the Xbox crowd has been VERY VOCAL in not liking FF games. Lost in Blue, give me abreak that game is MS trying to save its skin in Japan, it has nothing to do with the Xbox fans its MS trying to *get* FF fans and RPG fans to buy an Xbox.
I havent kept up if its even out yet but I havent meant *anyone* who cares either way. Look I am not saying FF *WONT* got to 360, DIdI EVER SAY THAT! NO just that we *ALL KNOW* that it will NOT SELL int he same Numbers as it did on PS unless the FF Fans BUY an Xbox because *CURREN* Xbox fans DO NOT CARE FOR FF! YES i have resources iT called EVERY SINGLE XBOX FAN i have *EVER* met or talked to onluine feels *EXACTLY* the same way.
MY argument has NO HOLES IN IT you JUST refuse to accept I MIGHT be right about something.
What it *WILL* do if, BIG IF, it comes to 360 is push 360 sales UP so the FF fans can play FF because the *MAJORITY of them wont get a pS3, which I SAID ALREADY and you STILL argued against! The DIE HARD Ps3 fans will STILL get it on PS3 and the DIE HARD gamers will STILL geta ps3 regardless of the price, weatherr you LIKE IT OR NOT!
Post by: oohhboy on March 21, 2007, 04:31:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Rhoq
What would this mean for Nintendo? Would Manhunt 2 still be released for the Wii? I just can't see them allowing any of the gaming franchises they'd acquired through the purchase of Take-Two to appear on any of their competitor's consoles.
If true, in the short term it probalily means nothing. The existing contact, assuming there is one, would still stand. Nintendo would more than likely still get it's game.
Long term, it's impact is not going to be anywhere as great as people are going to make it out to be. The 360 is already saturated with GTA style sandbox games that have already surpassed the previous GTAs in every catagory.
For Sony, the impact would be huge. They would end up with another genre hole with nothing ready to fill it. If the game went multiplatform, the same effect would still happen. Why buy a more expensive machine when it is avaible on a "cheaper" console.
MS doesn't need to buy the entire thing for the same effect. DMC will demostrate this. Anyway, I think MS has had enough poison pills for the time being. Outright buying Devs in not the solution to getting games.
Post by: Arbok on March 21, 2007, 04:41:45 AM
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Get over yourselves Damn I ams ick of arguing with peopel over things that are obvious. just f*&$ off.
If you don't want people debating your opinions, like that Xbox owners wouldn't buy Final Fantasy titles, then simply don't make them public. This is a message board, one of its key functions is interaction with others' thoughts.
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 21, 2007, 05:08:11 AM
The reason the X-Box and the 360 are doing well here in America, but poorly everywhere else in the world is because the system is primarly an American console that's caters to a Western audience with Western games. The X-Box last gen had 38 games that sold over a million copies, yet out of those 38 only TWO were from Japanese companies. And those two games were Dead or Alive 3 from Tecmo and ESPN NFL 2K5 from Sega. Here's the rest to show the taste in games the X-Box fanbase has.
Halo 2
Halo
Tom Clancy Splinter Cell
Fable
Grand Theft Auto Double Pack
Project Gotham Racing
Need for Speed: Underground 2
Star Wars: Knights of the Republic
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Tom Clancy Ghost Recon
Need for Speed: Underground
Star Wars: Battlefront
Tom Clancy Rainbow Six 3
Project Gotham Racing 2
Dead or Alive 3
Madden NFL 2005
Madden NFL 2006
Tom Clancy Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow
ESPN NFL 2K5
Medal Of Honour Frontline
Star Wars: Battlefront II
Tom Clancy Ghost Recon 2
Spiderman: The Movie
True Crime: Streets of LA
Enter the Matrix
Star Wars: Knights of the Republic 2
Tony Hawks Underground
Doom III
Hitman 2: Silent Assassin
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
Medal Of Honour Rising Sun
Max Payne
Tom Clancy Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
Call of Duty: Finest Hour
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Spiderman: The Movie 2
Forza Motorsport
And here's the 360's list that shows that the taste in the X-Boxes fanbase is still the same.
Gears of War
Call of Duty 2
Tom Clancy Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
Madden NFL 07
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Call of Duty 3
Crackdown
Fight Night Round 3
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (From Capcom, but very western styled)
Tom Clancy Rainbow Six: Vegas
Perfect Dark Zero
Dead Rising (Same as Lost Planet)
Saints Row
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Need For Speed: Carbon
Once again, the X-Box is an American system that appeal primarily to Western audiences with Western games. The only Japanese games to sell well are the ones that are made to appeal to an American audience. Final Fantasy is just too Japanese for the X-Boxes primary fanbase. Even if it did well the most Square could hope for is 2 million MAX. The highest selling RPG on an X-Box system has been KotoR with 1.95 million, and when compared to how FFX sold 7.95 million, FFX-2 sold 5.21 million and FFXII 4.94 million so far, I dont see Square even trying to take a chance with Microsoft.
This is why Square-Enix hasn't given the 360 any real support because they know their games would sell horrible compare to how well they could be selling on the Wii and PS3. But now that the PS3 has crashed and is in need of a miracle the Wii is the only system that can give Square-Enix the sales they want. And it doesn't matter how underpowered the Wii is, if Square wants money they'll find a way to put FFXIII on the Wii. If they have to downgrade it like crazy, they'll do it, as long as they can get high sales that's all Square will care about.
Last gen proved that the system with the highest user base will get the most games, regardless of how powerful it is. If a company wants a game on the Wii they'll put it on the Wii, just like if they wanted it on the PS2, they found a way to put it on the PS2.
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 21, 2007, 05:28:00 AM
Create an in with the market through the American audience which they know they can reach with their computer game partnerships and online gaming expertise.
I personally think Microsoft is trying to kill Sony outright, as they are the closest direct competition Xbox 360 has this generation. I believe Microsoft is also supporting and promoting Nintendo because Microsoft doesn't believe Nintendo is a threat to their American Market Share, however, Nintendo is a huge threat to Sony's Japanese Market Share. The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of deal. If Microsoft can manage to gain a strong hold of Europe and North America while Nintendo takes Japan then Sony could be crushed out of the market this generation.
If that happens Microsoft probably would feel much stronger at being the dominating market force this generation and more importantly NEXT.
The one thing I do not agree with is the false perception that Sony and the PS3 have crashed and burned. The PS3 has had a rough start, but the true test of the market hasn't even begun yet.
Anything can happen. Nintendo or Microsoft could trip up badly, or Sony could rise from the bad launch and defeat all.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on March 21, 2007, 05:30:03 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 21, 2007, 05:55:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
The one thing I do not agree with is the false perception that Sony and the PS3 have crashed and burned. The PS3 has had a rough start, but the true test of the market hasn't even begun yet.
Anything can happen. Nintendo or Microsoft could trip up badly, or Sony could rise from the bad launch and defeat all.
Well maybe not crashed and burned but things aren't looking too good. All of the big third party games that were announced for the PS3, were announced and development was started before Sony's infamous E3 2006 press conferance. The thing that I look at is how the Gamecube was putting up better numbers then the PS3 is right now. As we all remember, third parties had no hope for the Gamecube from the start and never even gave it a chance. They gave the system crappy ports in the beggining and then used the low sales as an excuse to cut development for a system they didn't want to develop for in the first place.
Well when I see the PS3 sales being worse then the Gamecube's early sales, I wonder what must be going through third parties minds. If back in 2001, if Final Fantasy X or Metal Gear Solid 2 would have been games scheduled for the Gamecube, Square and Konami would have been angry as all hell over the systems low early sales and would have announced a PS2 port right away. They would never have allowed their big name series to be on a system with such a small user base. Well now their big name series are on the system with an even LOWER userbase.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 21, 2007, 06:53:01 AM
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segagamer12 has been banned
Don't worry, he'll come back. Didn't his previous accounts get banned, too?
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 21, 2007, 07:31:07 AM
That is very true. I think confidence in Sony by developers is dropping. But, I think as Nintendo fans we often times look at the bad news for Sony through rose colored glasses, and forget that it could only be temporary.
Specially when you are looking at a life cycle of at least 4-5 years...in the grand scheme of things the first 6 months don't really matter. I personally am worried that after year 1 the Wii will begin to see a sharp decline in units sold, as the newness wears off and the aging technology is noticed more.
Post by: Ceric on March 21, 2007, 09:09:28 AM
A) PSX-2 backward compatibility
B) Blu-Ray
~C) Potential to be hacked into a Media Streamer
Those are the reasons for me. Sony is getting rid of A in my case soon. So I have two choices get a PS3 or never get a PS3.
Now for the most part I like the 360 but I haven't gotten one of those because I'm still waiting on a few things and well there isn't really any XBox games I wanted to play in the past. If the 360 was 100% Compatibile with PS2 games then I get it in the heartbeat because there are a lot of games I like to play but I haven't.
Also I don't just want to get another PS2 because that seems like a waste.
My next point. From what I've seen FFXII is a pretty visual impressive game. I don't see why the Wii couldn't do better then that.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 21, 2007, 11:41:24 AM
On the subject, Sony will begin throwing around money hats (on credit) to make annoying PS3 exclusives in the vein of Soul Calibur 3.
Post by: Shift Key on March 21, 2007, 01:33:55 PM
I don't think it matters which system they're on, if its an exclusive deal (most likely) then they'll have to purchase that system to play FF(n+1).
Sure, the 360 library favours the American gamers, but give the Japanese gamers a major franchise like FF as an exclusive and I'm sure they'll be able to sell more units over in Japan.
How hard is that to fathom?
Post by: SixthAngel on March 21, 2007, 04:29:27 PM
The ports mentioned were on systems when the game had long since been out, like the nes to psx, that doesn't count. Even nonFF square seems to keep on a single system. Single system games always seem to get more hype and be bigger franchises (besides madden) and I think it is smart for Square to not spread their franchises out too much.
Post by: Kairon on March 21, 2007, 06:34:33 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 06:46:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Well, one thing at least is for certain... the next Kingdom Hearts title will NOT be on either the 360 or the PS3. Those consoles are just too expensive for a lot of the game's younger fanbase. Kingdom Hearts 3 for the PS2 and/or Wii?
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Wait a second, Kingdom Hearts is not just for the younger base, that game has a big following from all age demographics. Both of the games have well written stories that mesh well with both the FF and Disney Universe, mixing mature themes with fun loving moments!
Post by: Kairon on March 21, 2007, 07:10:01 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 07:31:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Of course Golden Phoenix. But it's sorta poinbtless to put beloved Disney characters on a 600 dollar system. Sure Kingdom hearts has older fans as well, but it has younger fans without whom the franchise would not be half as successful as it is.
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Actually I would say it is kind of pointless to put any game on a $600 system, but that is besides the point.
Post by: Ghisy on March 22, 2007, 06:18:38 AM
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Actually I would say it is kind of pointless to put $600 on any game system, but that is besides the point.
Fixed!
Post by: Jin-X on March 22, 2007, 08:15:10 AM
These things have a domino effect, once one console gets too far behind or one gets far ahead, you can't turn the tide because developers will start going more and more to that console. Developers aren't going to sit around waiting for Sony to do a massive price cut (I'm talking a $200 cut) or for FF to turn it around, which it won't anyway.
The Wii is still selling out in what will probably be its weakest game lineup in it's generation, filled with PS2 ports. By next year you will see much better 3rd party games/support.
And oh yeah, the PS3 costs $600 **************** dollars. It always bears repeating because there are still people that don't quite grasp how much that matters.
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 22, 2007, 08:49:53 AM
But I am not willing to state that the PS3 is doomed or that it is in a position that it may not overcome. The fact that the Xbox 360 hasn't cracked the Japanese market proves that the PS3 still has a chance. It is the only system that the Japanese market will support that contains HD support.
Once good games come out the sales numbers will start to increase...and look at the short term numbers that the Wii has pulled off. It has proven that in about 1/2 a year you can sell 1/2 the number it took another console to sell in about a Year and half. (Xbox 360 numbers to Wii numbers). Basically whether we want to believe it or not, the end of 2007 could have the next generation market share looking vastly different.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 22, 2007, 08:51:10 AM
=D
Post by: Arbok on March 22, 2007, 09:07:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Basically whether we want to believe it or not, the end of 2007 could have the next generation market share looking vastly different.
Only if Sony cuts the price. I don't know about you, but I see nothing in the PS3's future that will change its overall outcome for the year, particularly worldwide. Have you seen the early launch performance of the PS3 in Europe (pre-ordered units selling for less then the retail at eBay)? It's not looking good.
The only things I see as possible changes for the year, from current data, are:
- Wii takes #1 in worldwide sales
- Wii takes the Europe market
- Xbox 360 takes #2 in Japan (damn remote, but I actually see this as more likely then the PS3 moving up in the ranks in another market)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 09:08:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Jin-X: Don't get me wrong. I am not one that is supporting the PS3 or hoping that it succeeds. I believe that the PS3 took the gaming market to an extreme level that is hard to support or even justify. And this is after Microsoft already pushed that limit with the Xbox 360.
But I am not willing to state that the PS3 is doomed or that it is in a position that it may not overcome. The fact that the Xbox 360 hasn't cracked the Japanese market proves that the PS3 still has a chance. It is the only system that the Japanese market will support that contains HD support.
Once good games come out the sales numbers will start to increase...and look at the short term numbers that the Wii has pulled off. It has proven that in about 1/2 a year you can sell 1/2 the number it took another console to sell in about a Year and half. (Xbox 360 numbers to Wii numbers). Basically whether we want to believe it or not, the end of 2007 could have the next generation market share looking vastly different.
Spake does have a point, I'm not willing to "doom" Sony just yet either, but if they end up losing Final Fantasy I would say the chances are pretty good it will fail at achieving number 1 (or even number 2) status worldwide.
Post by: Arbok on March 22, 2007, 09:31:27 AM
Take this one for example. Bidding has already ended, and the final price was just £250... compared to the retail price there of £425.
I await with great anticipation to hear the PR piece in motion about how delaying the system in the PAL areas was a "great move" and how they reached their "goal" of "people being able to go into a store and just pick one up at launch due to increased supply".
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 22, 2007, 09:32:57 AM
Sony doesn't lose Final Fantasy, but PS3 sales doom Final Fantasy. A low userbase, in turn, hurts game sales, and in turn, Square-Enix is hurt in the process.
(just imagine that game's tech budget)
Post by: Jin-X on March 22, 2007, 10:06:00 AM
Things aren't going to change for Sony this year because of the price Spak-Spang. They are going to be the most expensive console going up against Mario Galaxy, Metroid, Smash Bros. (err... maybe not), Halo 3 and the other MS exclusives. Oh and GTA 4 is on 360 at the same time. The only big game they have a chance to come out is MGS 4, alongside Ratcher & Clank. They are effed in the A on Saturday. And oh yeah, $599.
Prof. 666 has a very good point. I can't imagine how Square-Enix must be feeling looking at the PS3s sales. The budget for that game must be huge.
Post by: Blue Plant on March 22, 2007, 11:16:25 AM
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2007, 11:58:05 AM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 12:14:26 PM
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Dear Square... quick and dirty downport to the Wii for FFXIII please! We've already all forgiven Ubisoft, we'll forgive you too!
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I haven't forgiven Ubisoft for their crappy ports.
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2007, 12:17:13 PM
FFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR CCCCCCCCCCCCRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
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Post by: capamerica on March 22, 2007, 12:41:49 PM
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Australian PS3 launch underwhelming
Today is tomorrow in Australia. Not just is it tomorrow, but it's coming on noon. According to The Sydney Morning Herald the PlayStation 3 launched last night with "officials, media and security outnumbering customers." The 500 retailers on the continent opened their doors for a midnight launch and despite the estimated 20,000 pre-orders "most stores were virtually deserted."
The Herald says even the official launch event at Myer's Pitt Street store had only 40 people in line at midnight "causing distress for the army of camera crews who turned up expecting to capture launch mayhem." The gentlemen who ended up being first in line showed up at 9 PM. Adding insult to injury, television producers "unashamedly" had the crowd fake cheer for the cameras. A local radio station even had their on-air talent create "bogus cheers" to convince listeners that a major event was going on. Looks like the hype accompanying the U.S. launch has all but vanished. We'll get a better picture of the PS3 PAL release later this evening when reports of the European launch trickle in. Maybe the land down under is just full of Xbox and Nintendo fanboys?
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2007, 01:08:04 PM
Edit: Found it.
And this report of UK PS3s flopping @ EBay thrown in for good measure.
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 22, 2007, 02:18:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Consider this fantastic alternative:
Sony doesn't lose Final Fantasy, but PS3 sales doom Final Fantasy. A low userbase, in turn, hurts game sales, and in turn, Square-Enix is hurt in the process.
(just imagine that game's tech budget)
Just what exactly I meant about two pages ahead, in my own twisted logic.
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
yes, but by the time those games are out, it might be too late.
Post by: wandering on March 22, 2007, 02:38:43 PM
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Originally posted by: capamericaQuote
Australian PS3 launch underwhelming
Today is tomorrow in Australia. Not just is it tomorrow, but it's coming on noon. According to The Sydney Morning Herald the PlayStation 3 launched last night with "officials, media and security outnumbering customers." The 500 retailers on the continent opened their doors for a midnight launch and despite the estimated 20,000 pre-orders "most stores were virtually deserted."
The Herald says even the official launch event at Myer's Pitt Street store had only 40 people in line at midnight "causing distress for the army of camera crews who turned up expecting to capture launch mayhem." The gentlemen who ended up being first in line showed up at 9 PM. Adding insult to injury, television producers "unashamedly" had the crowd fake cheer for the cameras. A local radio station even had their on-air talent create "bogus cheers" to convince listeners that a major event was going on. Looks like the hype accompanying the U.S. launch has all but vanished. We'll get a better picture of the PS3 PAL release later this evening when reports of the European launch trickle in. Maybe the land down under is just full of Xbox and Nintendo fanboys?
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Nintendo Wii's quiet Aussie launch
Largest midnight launch location attracts 200-plus fans; units still available for walk-in customers.
By Randolph Ramsay, GameSpot AU
Posted Dec 6, 2006 4:10 pm PT
The Nintendo Wii landed in Australia last night with more of a restrained cheer than a bang, with only a few hundred Australian gamers lining up at midnight launches held in retail stores across the country.
The largest group of Nintendo fans was the 200-strong crowd that gathered at EB Games at Chadstone, Melbourne, Victoria. In Sydney, New South Wales, the largest turnout was at EB Games in Chatswood, where more than 60 gamers attended the store's midnight launch.
The Wii's sedate launch was in stark contrast to the Xbox 360's Australian launch in March this year. Microsoft organised a massive street party for its next-generation console, with Sydney's main shopping mall closed to all but the thousands of customers who came to get their hands on the 360.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 22, 2007, 05:47:46 PM
One store had 650 consoles yet only 200 people show up.
Paris has a boat turned into floating store, with over 1000 systems ready for sale.....
there where more journalist and security people there than the few dozen people that showed up (30-40?). The event supposedly only lasted around 30-35 minutes. and Microsoft even crashed the party*now thats embarrassing*
poor, poor, Sony.
can't wait to see the news stories tomorrow, its gonna be bad.... real real bad.
Post by: Arbok on March 22, 2007, 05:59:57 PM
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From today, Sony will launch into its $6 million marketing campaign, which it hopes will convince the public that the PS3 is not just a games machine but an all-in-one home entertainment system.
Source
Yeah... they still just don't get it.
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2007, 06:06:42 PM
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Post by: blackfootsteps on March 22, 2007, 06:22:09 PM
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Nintendo Wii's quiet Aussie launch
Largest midnight launch location attracts 200-plus fans; units still available for walk-in customers.
By Randolph Ramsay, GameSpot AU
Posted Dec 6, 2006 4:10 pm PT
The Nintendo Wii landed in Australia last night with more of a restrained cheer than a bang, with only a few hundred Australian gamers lining up at midnight launches held in retail stores across the country.
The largest group of Nintendo fans was the 200-strong crowd that gathered at EB Games at Chadstone, Melbourne, Victoria. In Sydney, New South Wales, the largest turnout was at EB Games in Chatswood, where more than 60 gamers attended the store's midnight launch.
The Wii's sedate launch was in stark contrast to the Xbox 360's Australian launch in March this year. Microsoft organised a massive street party for its next-generation console, with Sydney's main shopping mall closed to all but the thousands of customers who came to get their hands on the 360.
That's incorrect. I live in Adelaide, the 4th largest city in Oz and at Eb's city store there were over 400 people (going by ticket numbers) in line. Additionally my brother went to Eb the next day to swap a game and they said they had no more Wii units available. This situation lasted until just before Christmas when one or two units would pop up.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 22, 2007, 06:42:40 PM
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At the London launch everyone who bought a PS3 also received a free 46-inch HD television and a taxi home.
In total, the giveaway amounted to £250,000 worth of televisons to more than 100 gamers.
At the head of the queue, 17-year-old Ritatsu Thomas said the giveaway and PS3 had been worth the 36-hour wait.
He said: "I feel fantastic. I'm delighted that everyone here also gets a television."
Mr Maguire said the TV giveaway in the UK was a reward for gamers' patience.
source - BBC
I would definately buy a PS3 at launch..... obviously just for the T.V.
edit: I just tought about this, and...... wouldn't it have been cheaper to just give away the PS3 for free to those 100+ gamers? Maybe then they coulda spent some money on the games instead.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 07:24:57 PM
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Originally posted by: wanderingQuote
Nintendo Wii's quiet Aussie launch
Largest midnight launch location attracts 200-plus fans; units still available for walk-in customers.
By Randolph Ramsay, GameSpot AU
Posted Dec 6, 2006 4:10 pm PT
The Nintendo Wii landed in Australia last night with more of a restrained cheer than a bang, with only a few hundred Australian gamers lining up at midnight launches held in retail stores across the country.
The largest group of Nintendo fans was the 200-strong crowd that gathered at EB Games at Chadstone, Melbourne, Victoria. In Sydney, New South Wales, the largest turnout was at EB Games in Chatswood, where more than 60 gamers attended the store's midnight launch.
The Wii's sedate launch was in stark contrast to the Xbox 360's Australian launch in March this year. Microsoft organised a massive street party for its next-generation console, with Sydney's main shopping mall closed to all but the thousands of customers who came to get their hands on the 360.
That's incorrect. I live in Adelaide, the 4th largest city in Oz and at Eb's city store there were over 400 people (going by ticket numbers) in line. Additionally my brother went to Eb the next day to swap a game and they said they had no more Wii units available. This situation lasted until just before Christmas when one or two units would pop up.
I think Wandering was just trying to show how stupid gamespot's article was on the Wii. It looks to be a propaganda piece wrapped in "news" because from what you've said and going by general sales data the Wii has anything BUT a quiet launch.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2007, 02:03:07 AM
The funniest thing is that Nintendo and Microsoft went into battle mode to welcome the PS3. The Wii stand was manned (pretty rare, I don't think that happens normally on a Friday) and the XBox 360 Premium was on sale for 300€ (though it didn't include any games whereas the 400€ ones often come with PGR3 and a Rare game). Actually makes me think about buying a 360 now.
Sony fanboys have no excuses here, a Wii and an XBox 360 together cost less than a PS3. No "if you take the premium PS3 and core 360" explaination or such.
Post by: Ghisy on March 23, 2007, 03:16:19 AM
On the Champs-Elysees, where hundreds (thousands?) of people gathered for the Wii launch back in December, there were only 4 people waiting in line for the PS3 like an hour and half away from midnight.
And there was also a special floating PS store set up on the Seine but apparently only 40 to 50 consoles were sold (their stock was a 1000+ systems waiting on the shelves).
All of this news made me giggle, laugh and point at $ony.
Post by: Ceric on March 23, 2007, 08:34:04 AM
Seriously though, from what I read that seems very disappointing. I'm a little surprised it went that bad. I'm sure the Backward compatibility had a big role to play with that.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2007, 08:43:02 AM
Post by: Sessha on March 23, 2007, 09:44:40 AM
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Simple amazing what a flop. Don't they know that Pal countries read the Internet as well. Go launch in China where you can control the Media. Oh wait... No one can afford it for the most part their.
Seriously though, from what I read that seems very disappointing. I'm a little surprised it went that bad. I'm sure the Backward compatibility had a big role to play with that.
I think that talking about China is in bad taste. Making a jab about a country is one thing but then generalizing the people of China is not so nice. And "their" in an ownership sense as in- there are 2 people who bought a PS3 on launch day. But their expectations were much too high.
Post by: Jin-X on March 23, 2007, 12:49:30 PM
Come watch as journalistic integrity goes down the drain, with comments like:
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With suffocating supply constraints during the November launch period, Sony's PlayStation 3 still outsold the Xbox 360 during the same four-month launch window with 1.06M consoles sold through February 2007.
If by suffocating you mean suffocating retailer's inventories because they were just there collecting dust, then yeah I agree.
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Briefly ignoring just how supply constrained the 360 was during that four month period, the fact that the PlayStation 3 has outsold the Xbox 360 over the same period in its life span despite costing $200 more per unit isn't a something that should get lost amidst the cries of doom and gloom for Sony's platform. How much more would the Xbox 360 have sold had supply not been so constrained in the first four months after launch?
Now if I remember correctly, the 360 REALLY was supply constraint as even with those low sale #s you couldn't find it in stores; as opposed to the PS3 which anybody can walk in and buy. The PS3 isn't supply constrained and hasn't been since around a month after launch, the PS3 just isn't selling.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2007, 01:52:15 PM
OMG, IT'S LIKE THE BUNDY CURSE WAS LIFTED!
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 23, 2007, 01:55:31 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2007, 06:00:41 PM
You make it sound like Europeans can afford to blow 600€ on one PS3.
Post by: wandering on March 23, 2007, 07:13:34 PM
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I think Wandering was just trying to show how stupid gamespot's article was on the Wii.
Right you are.
...But, to be fair to gamespot, not all of their articles are stupid. In fact, they wrote a nice one just recently. Here's an excerpt:
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Sony Computer Entertainment France president Georges Fornay dropped the bombshell in an interview with French-language newspaper Les Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace (subscription required). He said, "The development costs of games have exploded, and it has become more difficult to have exclusives, outside of our own games. But we have for launch day [in France] 30 games, including MotorStorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, and Virtua Fighter 5. Moreover, we are expecting 200 games [for the PS3] by the end of 2007...As far as Final Fantasy XIII goes, I can tell you that the exclusivity is in discussion."
Yes, you read that right. Final Fantasy XIII may not be PS3 exclusive.
Kutaragi's response? "It can't be helped."
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 23, 2007, 07:42:41 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 23, 2007, 08:07:15 PM
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Go launch in China where you can control the Media. Oh wait... No one can afford it for the most part their.
You make it sound like Europeans can afford to blow 600€ on one PS3.
He also makes it sound like the Chinese can afford to blow 6,500 yuan on one instead.
Edit: Yes, yes, I PHAIL at reading.
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: MaryJane on March 24, 2007, 02:09:36 AM
You know what else I believe would destroy Sony? If Nintendo and MS announced that they were joining forces for the next-gen and the system would be fully backwards compatible with both Xbox's and the Wii, as well as having some way to transfer all downloads from both systems.
Post by: capamerica on March 24, 2007, 02:49:25 AM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
I really hope SquareEnix decides to bring Final Fantasy to the Xbox360. Then I won't have to wait 3 years for the PS3 to be reasonably priced just to play it. Also it would pretty much destroy Sony's chances in the console market.
I also hope this happens, I much rather buy FFXIII for my Xbox360 then have to wait for the PS3 to drop to $300.
Quote
Originally posted by: MaryJane
You know what else I believe would destroy Sony? If Nintendo and MS announced that they were joining forces for the next-gen and the system would be fully backwards compatible with both Xbox's and the Wii, as well as having some way to transfer all downloads from both systems.
That is a VERY bad idea. Nothing good could come out of that. If you could buy all your games on one system or another even exclusives like Halo and Mario that would kill one of they systems off. Its best to just let Nintendo be Nintendo and Microsoft be the new Sega.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 24, 2007, 03:02:37 AM
you do too
Post by: Ceric on March 24, 2007, 04:36:49 AM
Also there was rumor at some point of a computer being made that would also play XBox and PS games, not the Yoshi box. Just thought of that with mention of the multiple systems in a system.
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 24, 2007, 05:07:30 AM
It seems the CGI could still be top notch on the Wii, and an RPG doesn't need super processing power to make a beautiful game.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 24, 2007, 05:16:36 AM
and in reference 1 USD = 2.9 PLN
So a PS3 is the equivilant to 827 USD with games at 75 - 89 USD
X360 is equivilant to 482 USD with games at 44 - 89 USD
Wii is equivilant to 378 with games at 34 - 79 USD
I think those prices of consoles and games in Europe and Poland is a big ouch compared to the prices I enjoy here in America.
Post by: Kairon on March 24, 2007, 06:59:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Why would you rather FF be on Xbox 360. I rather the game be on the Wii.
It seems the CGI could still be top notch on the Wii, and an RPG doesn't need super processing power to make a beautiful game.
I'm sure a lot of us would prefer FF XIII on the Wii, but we just can't rationally imagine how such a thing could come about with Square probably so deep into development for the PS3 with that game.
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Post by: Adrock on March 24, 2007, 08:58:56 AM
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Ceric wrote:
Nobody can just afford $600 worth of game console on a whim, in general.
But they're out there. The new guy at work quit his job at Sam Goody in December and was unemployed for about 3 months. He used his tax refund to buy a PS3... "just because." He said he was bored and wanted to try Blu-Ray out.
Post by: capamerica on March 24, 2007, 09:44:50 AM
They could still do a Final Fantasy VII remake on the DS, Redo the cut senses and update all the models to use the Dirge of Cerberus or Crisis Core ones.
I really do think the DS could handle it, the only thing holding it back is the current DS card size (which can be changed thou). I think if Nintendo really wanted to, by making the DS cards bigger (512MB - 1GB) could easily start competing with the PSP graphic wise.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 24, 2007, 11:00:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
But they're out there. The new guy at work quit his job at Sam Goody in December and was unemployed for about 3 months. He used his tax refund to buy a PS3... "just because." He said he was bored and wanted to try Blu-Ray out.
He'll regret his decision when he's selling his body to other men because he needs the cash for food.
Post by: Athrun Zala on March 24, 2007, 11:18:49 AM
Quotefixed.
Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
I think those prices of consoles and games in Europe and Poland is a big ouch compared to the prices I enjoy here in North America.
because the rest of the continent gets raped with absurd prices whilist the majority of it's population has minmal wages...
(for reference, the lowest the Wii goes over here is U$S700....)
Post by: Adrock on March 24, 2007, 11:52:55 AM
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capamerica wrote:
I think we'll see Final Fantasy VII-IX on the DS not on the Wii
They could still do a Final Fantasy VII remake on the DS, Redo the cut senses and update all the models to use the Dirge of Cerberus or Crisis Core ones.
I don't think DS has the processing power to handle those character models. SquareEnix has shown what they can do with DS and while impressive, it's no where near PS2/PSP quality.
As for remakes, I'd rather they be on Wii. It needs them more than DS does. And while I still own VII and IX (though I plan to sell them on ebay), I'd buy Wii remakes.
Post by: Ceric on March 24, 2007, 02:18:07 PM
I'm pretty sure that a DS card is pretty much an SD card in the end and that could easily be upped to 4 gig.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 24, 2007, 02:34:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I could easily see up to 9 on the DS. Now 10 up I don't know.
I'm pretty sure that a DS card is pretty much an SD card in the end and that could easily be upped to 4 gig.
That would be one expensive game though lol. It is interesting, but it does seem like the DS Card is like a slightly redesigned SD card in look and size (maybe some of the technical savvy people can confirm that).
Post by: capamerica on March 24, 2007, 05:32:06 PM
And right now you can get a 2GB SD card for about $25. Nintendo could most likley get the SD cards for about $5 a card (or less) and I would be more then willing to drop $45-50 for a DS version of Final Fantasy IX and I bet most people would be willing to drop the same amount of money on DS remakes of FFVII and FFVIII
Post by: Kairon on March 24, 2007, 06:00:36 PM
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Post by: capamerica on March 24, 2007, 06:22:27 PM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 26, 2007, 01:56:16 AM
Post by: matt oz on March 26, 2007, 03:11:28 PM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
DS cards are, in fact, just SD cards backwards.
that made me lol out loud.
Post by: MaryJane on March 27, 2007, 02:45:58 AM
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Originally posted by: matt ozQuote
Originally posted by: PartyBear
DS cards are, in fact, just SD cards backwards.
that made me laugh out loud out loud.
Fixed!
Post by: capamerica on March 28, 2007, 01:43:15 AM
First the PS3 is still in stock almost every where in Europe, the system even thou having the "best" launch wasn't able to sell out unlike the Wii and Xbox360.
Second after launch the PS3 hasn't sold to many more units to move it past the 165,000 mark. Unlike the Wii and Xbox360 in which the Xbox360 sold 300,000 by the end of their first 2 days and the Wii sold 325,000 during their first two days.
Hmm.. I wonder why no one is reporting this?
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 28, 2007, 02:01:32 AM
Post by: Ghisy on March 28, 2007, 04:26:35 AM
They do it all the freaking time! and people buy it. Sad.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2007, 05:22:06 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 28, 2007, 07:27:53 AM
But when you consider that Sony sold over 42 million PS2's in Europe and dominated that territory last gen, the fact that they only sold 60% of their PS3 shipments at launch is actually quite bad. Plus everyone has to remember that at launch the die hard fans are always going to buy it right away. Just look at what happend here in America were we had riots and people killing each other for a PS3 right away, but then less then 2 months later, you could walk into your local Best Buy and see a pile of over 20 PS3 that haven't even been touched yet.
So these early sales mean nothing, and considering how expensive the PS3 is in Europe, I see it's sales dropping very quickly.
Post by: Ceric on March 28, 2007, 07:32:50 AM
Post by: MaryJane on March 28, 2007, 11:00:59 AM
I also think it's still a little early to say that though. If Sony can keep Final Fantasy exclusive, and pay for some more exclusives they have the potential to comeback enough to survive until next generation.
Come to think of it, what if doesn't get better for Sony? Would they really pull out of give it one go? Not to turn this into a poll, but I'm wondering what your opinions are.
Post by: Louieturkey on March 28, 2007, 12:49:45 PM
Post by: vudu on March 29, 2007, 05:44:34 AM
QuoteIt's not quite the same thing. Beta cassettes and Mini Discs have already been created. The R&D costs have already been incurred and the additional cost to Sony to continue support them is (a) minimal and (b) small compared to the ill will that could potentially be created by early adopters who purchased these products.
Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Sony's too stubborn to give up anything. Hence why you can still buy blank Beta cassettes for video recording purposes in some low budget tv studios. They also still sell MDs even those were DOA. So I expect them in this for at least two or three more generations (and they'd all have to be bad) before even thinking about calling it quits.
With this rationale you could argue that Sony will continue to support the PS3 no matter how much of a failure it is but you can't argue that Sony will spend billions of dollars on R&D for the PS4 is the PS3 isn't successful.
Post by: Adrock on March 29, 2007, 07:11:38 AM
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vudu wrote:
With this rationale you could argue that Sony will continue to support the PS3 no matter how much of a failure it is but you can't argue that Sony will spend billions of dollars on R&D for the PS4 is the PS3 isn't successful.
Exactly. If not for complete and utter exhaustion, I would've posted something just like this (except much longer and with more grammatical errors) last night.
See the difference between Nintendo and every other console maker that has been dead last is that Nintendo is the only company smart enough to employ business model favors profitability. Spend less and make more. Sony can only make money on the Playstation brand if it's manhandling the competition. As a developer/publisher, Nintendo sales are consistently high and they spend considerably less money on development than other companies do. If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense, son.
If Sony doesn't start making some headway with PS3 in the next few years, I expect one of two things: either they go third party or they sell off their gaming assets. I'd lean more toward the latter. Still, that's if PS3 continues to sell as dismally as it has, which honestly, I don't believe will be the case. I think there will be a PS4, but Nintendo has leveled the playing field a bit. Coming off a strong 4-5 year cycle, I'm looking forward to seeing how Nintendo will fare with an HD-enabled Wii successor and how they can top that controller.
Post by: Ceric on March 29, 2007, 08:16:15 AM
Post by: stevey on March 29, 2007, 08:54:52 AM
"If you really look at the PS3 contour carefully, it is rounded when viewing the console in profile. Rather than creating a typography with all the risks that entails, it was wiser to use the one from Spider-Man, for which Sony has the rights."
Risk? Sound like Kutaragi scared of being original....
Post by: ShyGuy on March 29, 2007, 09:13:03 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2007, 11:04:12 AM
Post by: Adrock on March 29, 2007, 12:13:38 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 29, 2007, 12:20:49 PM
Post by: MaryJane on March 29, 2007, 01:52:43 PM
Does Times New Roman suddenly switch to Tahoma when it's put on a contoured surface?
Post by: Adrock on March 29, 2007, 02:05:07 PM
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GoldenPhoenix wrote:
Sony takes lots of risks, charging 600$ for a console, using the same controller since the PS1 days, and totally ignoring innovation in favor of "borrowing" other ideas. All those are risks!
What? I meant, what are the risks of using a different font for PS3?
Post by: UERD on March 29, 2007, 03:11:37 PM
Post by: Blue Plant on March 29, 2007, 03:20:05 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 30, 2007, 10:06:48 AM
I think Sony will make another attempt after PS3 unless PS3 really tanks...like never sells more than it does now. Will it ever do better? I think so, but who knows for sure?
Post by: capamerica on April 03, 2007, 05:32:31 AM
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PlayStation 3 hardware sales plummet 82 per cent
Sales of the PlayStation 3 have dropped dramatically on the second week of release in the UK, with official Chart Track figures revealing a fall of 82 per cent.
Chart Track data is gathered from 7000 UK retail outlets representing 90 per cent of the software market, including GAME, Gamestation, Play.com, Asda and HMV.
A spokesperson for Chart Track confirmed the figure to GamesIndustry.biz this afternoon, stating: "Yes, sales of PS3 hardware have dropped by 82 per cent."
Last week, Chart Track revealed that the PlayStation 3 had sold 165,000 units in the first two days following the launch, making it the fastest-selling home console in the UK.
"We publish the first week figures because there's such a clamour for them that we can't keep it a secret," said the spokesperson.
This week's software charts revealed that sales of the top two PlayStation 3 titles, Resistance: Fall of Man and MotorStorm, had dropped by over 60 per cent.
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe declined to comment.
I sooo saw this coming!
Pretty much everyone who wanted a PS3 bought it the week it came out.
Lets see how Sony spins this to make it look good on them. Just like how they spun the fact that the PS3 didn't sell out in the UK.
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 03, 2007, 05:53:37 AM
But now it's Nintendo who's doing the dominating and with all the money Sony's losing, this could end up being their last gen.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2007, 06:04:10 AM
How long do you think it will take Sony to sell out of the initial 1million launch units that it has already delivered to stores? With the UK being the best selling sector for the PS3, I would imagine a whole lot of pissed of retailers across Europe right now.
I also see UK Resistance having a field day with this one.
Post by: MaryJane on April 03, 2007, 06:20:08 AM
I would love to see sales of the PS3 for one week be a 4 or even 3 digit number in one of the territories. That would deliver a message no amount of spin could turn around.
Post by: vudu on April 03, 2007, 07:17:34 AM
QuoteNice one, Nostradamus. Looks like you're on a roll.
Originally posted by: capamerica
I sooo saw this coming!
Any more predictions? Will there be a Halo 4? Will Xbox 360 will continue to not sell very well in Japan? Will Nintendo release another color of the DS Lite and people everywhere buy the damn system again?
Post by: capamerica on April 03, 2007, 09:25:51 AM
Oh and there won't be a Halo4 ;-)
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 03, 2007, 09:37:49 AM
We also predicted the loss of specific PS3 exclusives, NeoGeo arriving on the VC and the jumping ship of DQIX from Sony platforms in favor of Nintendo.
Do analysts only make money in bribes or do they actually get paid for doing it?
Post by: IceCold on April 03, 2007, 09:46:13 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 03, 2007, 09:47:05 AM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
Hey don't dis my powers. I've been giving my two cents on how the industry is going to be for quite some time now, Its not my fault no one listens to me.
Oh and there won't be a Halo4 ;-)
Hey, I listen! :-p
Also, I called Wii Sports being a good game and vital in promoting the Wii. Not even SB called that one! :-p
Post by: vudu on April 03, 2007, 09:58:19 AM
QuoteThey might not call it Halo 4, but the game will come out and we'll all know what it is.
Originally posted by: capamerica
Oh and there won't be a Halo4 ;-)
QuoteHe probably had some inside information, what with working for Ubisoft and all.
Originally posted by: IceCold
the first person I saw to predict the Wii winning this generation was wandering.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2007, 07:33:38 AM
gamesIndusty.biz
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Wii still outselling PlayStation 3 in Japan
But gap between Sony and Nintendo narrowing fast
The latest figures from Famitsu publisher Enterbrain have revealed that the Nintendo Wii is outselling PlayStation 3 by two to one in Japan.
As reported by Bloomberg, 1.95 million Wii units were sold in the territory between console launch on December 2 and March 25. The PlayStation 3 went on sale in Japan on November 11, and 812,000 units were sold by March 25.
However, it would appear that the gap between Sony and Nintendo is narrowing. Media Create previously announced that during the last week of January, the ratio of Wii to PS3 units sold was four to one.
If you do the math, the "gap" isn't narrowing as the Wii is still outselling the PS3 2 to 1. It might me widening the the "gap" less now than it was then, but its still widening the gap.
If I normally make $4 every week compared to your $1, and then this week I happen to only make $2 compared to your $1, I'm still making more $$ than you. The only "gap" that is being narrowed is how much more $$ I'm making than you this week.
The PS3 would have to start outselling the Wii to start closing in on any such "gap".
Post by: vudu on April 04, 2007, 07:43:06 AM
With the numbers you gave in the quote, Wii has 70.6% market share in Japan and PS3 has 29.4% market share. I'm going to ignore Xbox 360 for this example.
If this week the Wii sells 100K units and the PS3 sells 50K units the gap had widened as far as number of units sold (by 50K). However, if you look at it in terms of market share the Wii would now have 70.4% market share and the PS3 would have 29.6% market share. Hence, the gap has narrowed.
You can spin anything if you try hard enough.
Post by: Ceric on April 04, 2007, 09:22:15 AM
Though thats for a different time.
In the end though I think the best prediction was when Pale did the date spot on.
Post by: Deguello on April 05, 2007, 05:44:02 AM
The results are quite creamy.
I thought they were going to try to use this spot for genuine marketing?
Post by: Jin-X on April 05, 2007, 06:57:35 AM
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Those figures courtesy of Enterbrain, parent company of Famitsu magazine. Wii (which went on sale in Japan on December 2) has sold about 1.95 million units. The PS3, in contrast, has only sold 812,000 units, despite having been on sale since November 11. These figures, while somewhat sour, may still prove a comfort to Sony, since they represent a narrowing of the previously reported "4-Wiis to every PS3" margin which was being reported out of Japan in February.
That's because the nearly 4:1 Wii to PS3 ratio was in relation to WEEKLY sales, while here they are talking about total sales and the PS3 launched a month before the Wii in Japan. But hey 1up were the ones that made that ridiculous Feb NPD spin article.
link
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 05, 2007, 10:02:17 AM
Interestingly, Sony has an excuse for that whole thing:
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The desire to more directly target that 13-17 year-old market was what led to the All I Want For Christmas Is A PSP campaign last year, Koller said. "That campaign clearly did not work," he said, but it was an attempt to "identify ways of speaking and marketing to that 13-17 year-old consumer. It was an effort to be able to target that individual in a more quiet manner and not go out and promote it and have it be something that was found. The way it was done is not correct... In the future, we'll be more clear and transparent to the consumer."
What's scary is that Sony's marketing group doesn't know how to market to teens. Time to hire somebody who does, if you really want to sell the thing to them.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2007, 10:37:52 AM
You show lots of game footage of violence, slap an M rating on the games, and play Guns & Roses in the background. It works for EVERYBODY. Their problem was they TARGETTED a group as if they were trying to think like Nintendo (target the teh kiddee), while they had the whole mass-market thing down all along.
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 05, 2007, 11:03:28 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2007, 11:35:24 AM
NOT MY PROBLEM
Actually that may not be a martkett-ing issue at all.
More like going after the WRONG market.
Post by: Djunknown on April 05, 2007, 03:26:30 PM
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But unspoiled 13-17yr olds don't have $400 to drop on a PSP.
Fixed.
Post by: Shift Key on April 05, 2007, 06:57:47 PM
* Xbox 360 launch: 30,421 consoles sold in four days
* Nintendo Wii launch: 32,901 consoles sold in four days
* PlayStation 3 launch: 27,083 consoles sold in ten days
Sources:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24029
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12109
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=15729
Now that everything's settling down over here (Wiis can actually be found, not sure about the PS3s because I don't care) it'll be interesting to see how these numbers change. I'll see if I can find some more current numbers.
EDIT: Top 10 Games for Launch Week in Australia
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GfK – Software Sales Chart Top Ten w/c 19 March 2007
Game Title, Publisher
1. Resistance: Fall of Man – PS3, SCE
2. MotorStorm - PS3, SCE
3. FORMULA ONE CHAMPIONSHIP EDITION - PS3, SCE
4. CALL OF DUTY 3 - PS3, Activision
5. FINAL FANTASY XII- PS2, Square Enix
6. Need for Speed Carbon - PS3, Electronic Arts
7. Ridge Racer 7 - PS3, Namco Bandai
8. Fight Night Round 3 - PS3, Electronic Arts
9. Virtua Fighter 5 - PS3, Sega
10. Virtua Tennis 3 - PS3, Sega
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/11117/1092/
Yeah, very depressing.
Post by: redgiemental on April 06, 2007, 03:23:46 AM
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/778/778589p1.html
Surely not a sign its selling well. If it were flying off the shelves theyd have no motivation to sell it cheaper so it must not be going well for Sony over here.
On a side note I went to the Game site earlier (biggest UK videogame retailer) top banner was a banner saying that Wiis were back in stock.
Below they had a banner saying the PS3 was out now, no signs of having to preorder for the next batch like they were doing after the Wii launch over here.
So I think that shows the PS3 isn't doing very well over here in the UK overall.
Post by: Kairon on April 06, 2007, 08:18:21 AM
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Post by: redgiemental on April 07, 2007, 04:38:51 AM
But yes for the last tow generations its been very much Sonyland over here. Hopefully that will change and it looks like it is now.
Post by: capamerica on April 07, 2007, 06:57:42 AM
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/04/06/20gb-ps3-discontinued-from-sonys-official-store/
I don't get why Sony doesn't see this as a HUGE mistake. By removing the $500 model and only offering the $600 model they're are only making a Larger gap between them and the Xbox360 and Wii.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 07, 2007, 08:59:58 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 09, 2007, 06:28:20 AM
Post by: Arbok on April 09, 2007, 06:33:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
By the time you reason out spending $500 dollaring the extra $100 doesn't seem that much.
The problem is that getting rid of the "cheaper" model avoids the "reasoning out the purchase of $500" and goes right to the $600 stage... which far fewer are even going to consider.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 09, 2007, 06:37:35 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 09, 2007, 08:38:51 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 09, 2007, 04:12:46 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 10, 2007, 04:14:40 AM
Japanese comparison of top 5 games for GCN/PS3/PSP in their first five months (courtesy of Wired):
PS3:
1. Gundam Musou - 230,000
2. Ridge Racer 7 - 130,000
3. Gundam Target in Sight - 130,000
4. Resistance: Jinrui Botsuraku no Hi - 120,000
5. Armored Core 4 - 80,000
PSP:
1. Minna no Golf Portable - 351,000
2. Shin Sangoku Musou - 262,000
3. Ridge Racers - 262,000
4. Tales of Eternia - 168,000
5. Piposaru Academia - 112,000
GameCube:
1. Super Smash Bros. DX - 1,022,000
2. Pikmin - 430,000
3. Animal Crossing - 355,000
4. Luigi's Mansion - 320,000
5. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle - 116,000
FAILURE.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2007, 05:32:56 AM
If PS3's #1 title hasn't sold as much as PSP's #3 title,
and PSP's #1 title hasn't sold as much as GC's #3 title,
and GC is widely accepted as a commercial failure,
then what does that make PS3? A financial and commercial disaster?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 10, 2007, 03:46:25 PM
Post by: Arbok on April 10, 2007, 04:44:27 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
...
and GC is widely accepted as a commercial failure,
then what does that make PS3? A financial and commercial disaster?
A lot of what led to that was third parties completely ignoring the platform. It was almost sad how many licensed games were developed where a Gamecube version didn't even cross the developer's mind. At the moment, companies are still releasing these types of games across all three next gen console (along with the PS2 in some cases). The real sign of no return will be when these developers start dropping PS3 support for these types of games.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 11, 2007, 04:47:59 AM
GameCube could be considered a failure because it came in third and continued Nintendo's negative trend of losing customers. It could also be considered a success because it made money and lasted for a full generation.
PSP could be considered a failure because it's losing to DS and it doesn't seem to be profitable. It could also be considered a success because it has taken more handheld market share than any other non-Nintendo portable before it.
PS3...well PS3 is basically just a failure so far. It has been fairly successful at pushing Blu-ray, but only time will tell if that's a true success or a fad propogated by bored PS3 owners.
Post by: Ceric on April 11, 2007, 05:26:01 AM
While I think Sony could really milk the Idea of a cluster of PS3's being a poor mans Supercomputer if they made a profit off selling the hardware.
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 11, 2007, 06:47:33 AM
UK Easter Week Sales
Wii - 25,000
PS3 - 17,000
Xbox 360 - 11,000
So the Wii which is still suffering from a shortage outsells the PS3 which is widely available in Europe since Sony never sold there entire shipment. It's just like in America and Japan, everyone that wanted a PS3 bought one at launch and now Sony's left with nothing. And when you consider how important Europe was for Sony last gen, this is the biggest blow possible.
Well I think we can now safely say Nintendo has taken Europe. And with both Japan and Europe conquered, it looks like it's only a matter of time before America falls to the might of Nintendo's army of innovation as well.
Post by: Kairon on April 11, 2007, 07:25:36 AM
... besides, the Wii has to catch up to and surpass the XBox 360 in installed units first. Let's focus on overtaking the lead in that difficult arena (No Wii soccer games? No Wii Singstar? NoE game release delays?) before claiming europe...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: couchmonkey on April 11, 2007, 08:40:15 AM
Of course, I do agree somewhat with the "give it some time" comment. The right moves could put the competition in a better spot. That said...they're never going to be able to fully compete with Wii because it took such a different direction.
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 11, 2007, 11:09:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
We're only three weeks in! Give it some time!
... besides, the Wii has to catch up to and surpass the XBox 360 in installed units first. Let's focus on overtaking the lead in that difficult arena (No Wii soccer games? No Wii Singstar? NoE game release delays?) before claiming europe...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
But for the PS3 we dont need to give it time, as long as the thing cost $600 it'll remain a failure. It doesn't matter if MGS4, FFXIII, DMC4 and all there other so called big name titles came out tomarrow, the insanely high price tage has killed the system. The average person will NEVER pay over $500 for a videogame system. Sony HAS to drop the price if they hope to even stay alive.
And the Wii will easily surpass the 360 in Europe by the end of the summer. Here's how the systems are in Europe right now.
XBox - 3.26
Wii - 1.82
Nintendo is already over halfway there, and when they start increasing the shipments they'll catch up in no time. Plus your forgeting that Nintendo does have a game that will be huge in Europe, MARIO STRIKERS: CHARGED FOOTBALL !!! which comes out on May 25th, only over a month from now.
The Gamecube version managed to sell 420,000 copies in Europe when it was released in the fall of 2005, which is huge when you consider that the Gamecube had been dead in Europe since 2004. So if the Gamecube version was able to sell that much when it was dead, you can imagen how well the Wii version will sell when the Wii is extremly popular in Europe right now.
Also here's Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft's lineup's so far for the next few months in Europe.
Wii
04/13 Wing Island
04/27 Disney's Chicken Little
Mercury Meltdown Revolution
05/04 Eledees
Spider-Man 3
05/11 Bust-A-Move Bash!
Cooking Mama: Cook Off
05/18 Legend of the Dragon
05/25 Impossible Mission
Mario Strikers: Charged Football
06/08 Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
06/22 Mario Party 8
Shrek the Third
Trauma Centre: Second Opinion
06/29 Cosmic Family
G1 Jockey
XBox 360
04/20 World Championship Poker 2
05/04 Spider-Man 3
05/11 Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars
05/18 Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia
Saints Row (Xbox 360 Classics)
05/25 Armored Core 4
Forza Motorsport 2
Forza Motorsport 2 (Limited Edition)
Pirates of the Caribbean
06/28 Shrek the Third
06/29 The Darkness
PS3
04/20 F.E.A.R.
04/27 The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
The Godfather: Don's Edition
05/04 Spider-Man 3
Spider-Man 3 Collector's Edition
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
05/10 Alone in the Dark
05/25 Pirates of the Caribbean
06/29 The Darkness
Yeah, I stand by my statement that Europe is looking pretty safe for Nintendo.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 11, 2007, 11:28:33 AM
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Post by: TrueNerd on April 11, 2007, 12:32:12 PM
Post by: Kairon on April 11, 2007, 01:27:35 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Luigi Dude, you have to forgive Kairon, he so wants the PS3 to be successful so he can play God of War 10, Final Fantasy 30, and perhaps a bit of Halo and GTA on the side. It isn't his fault he is a huge Sony fanboy
NOT TRUE!
I'm a... I'm a...
It takes a TRUE Nintendo fanboy to simulate, completely and internally within him or herself, the collected reactions and thought processes of thousands of enemy fanbois!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: couchmonkey on April 12, 2007, 05:22:23 AM
It seems like it made sense based on sales, but I have to wonder if the 20GB model might have taken off once some major games started coming out. As Luigi Dude said, I don't think people are very willing to pay $600 for a game system. The early adopters are naturally willing to shell out that cash for the "best" version, but what about casuals who are waiting for Final Fantasy or some other more compelling games?
Still, if Sony honestly believes it wasn't selling then it makes sense.
Post by: Ceric on April 12, 2007, 05:30:10 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 12, 2007, 05:40:28 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2007, 06:24:52 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Heh, I wish I had a picture of that 60 Wii pile a store here has.
You should start pre-selling those on e-bay, or pick up a few for some of your lazy NWR friends who couldn't be bothered to put in a Smash_Brother effort to aquire thier own.
Post by: TrueNerd on April 12, 2007, 08:23:26 AM
Side note: Does anyone else think it is pretty retarded that both Microsoft and Sony have recently been focusing on making their respective consoles MORE expensive as time goes on?
Post by: Adrock on April 12, 2007, 08:37:52 AM
Post by: Arbok on April 12, 2007, 08:50:57 AM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
Side note: Does anyone else think it is pretty retarded that both Microsoft and Sony have recently been focusing on making their respective consoles MORE expensive as time goes on?
In regards to Microsoft, I actually think that was a plan set in motion before the PS3 was released. I'm sure they thought the PS3 was going to steal a lot of their sales, so they begin to try and align the 360, in a new version, toward the percieved upper scale market that the PS3 was going to create... or at least in theory. While the Wii has clearly proven that both had the wrong idea in terms of what the market actually wanted.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 12, 2007, 05:26:33 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Heh, I wish I had a picture of that 60 Wii pile a store here has.
Seriously, man, you should just be slapping those things on eBay and returning $50-75 profit on each one.
And woot for my 2nd appearance as an adjective.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 13, 2007, 07:02:41 AM
Post by: Arbok on April 13, 2007, 07:04:03 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Profit? Sorry, it don't work that way, in this country Wiis don't sell above retail on eBay, in fact Wiis with no extra stuff sell for about 40€ below retail. Also I doubt other NWRers want PAL Wiis.
Have you tried the UK?
Post by: MLS_man_64 on April 13, 2007, 08:04:23 AM
"Analyst predictions suggested PlayStation 3 shipments for the new business year will increase by 67 percent to 10 million units, benefiting from better semiconductor production yields and other cost cutting measures – such as the removal of the Emotion Engine emulation chip. Sony however has denied these projected figures.
[UPDATE: According to a separate report by financial website Bloomberg, Sony has denied analysts' 10 million unit figure. In addition, the report also cited a Sony representative who noted that the company is also looking into introducing a "model with a bigger hard disk,” though no further details were given."
BS?
Post by: UERD on April 15, 2007, 04:19:18 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 15, 2007, 08:51:22 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 16, 2007, 05:11:30 AM
A larger hard drive seems possible as downloading video becomes more and more common, but I don't think that presents any great value until things like IPTV expand. And even then, is it any good for Sony? The hardware is not profitable so the company needs to sell something to make up for it...IPTV users aren't necessarilly gamers.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2007, 05:20:31 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 16, 2007, 06:40:12 AM
Post by: oohhboy on April 16, 2007, 07:00:12 AM
Seriously, there has got to be a point where, just for space reasons, that retailers are just going to say no to anymore PS3s or 360s no matter how much either companies blackmail them to stock them in such silly numbers.
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2007, 07:29:37 AM
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Originally posted by: oohhboy
I can't believed any of this is happening. A reverse price war in the console market? Entire consoles threatened to go E.T?
Seriously, there has got to be a point where, just for space reasons, that retailers are just going to say no to anymore PS3s or 360s no matter how much either companies blackmail them to stock them in such silly numbers.
Agree. Storage space costs money.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 16, 2007, 05:58:53 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 17, 2007, 03:16:22 AM
http://spong.com/article/12304/Sony_Europe_Success_Means_160_Staff_To_Go/?d=200704171124&cb=503
Post by: oohhboy on April 17, 2007, 05:07:18 AM
I find that the double talk that all the execs are constantly engaged in more disconcerting. No matter how intelligent they once were, no matter how much prep time, they can't say anything without tripping over themselfs. Brain slugs?
Edited for oops.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 17, 2007, 05:15:08 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2007, 06:26:57 AM
Alright this thread almost died. It is not your time yet thread, not yet....
Anyway, we all know that you can go into just about any store in the U.S. that sells videogames and probably find about 1 or 2 hundred PS3's in the back. I'm sure we have all seen the latest NPD #'s that came out yesterday too.
Nintendo DS 508K
PlayStation 2 280K
Wii 259K
Xbox 360 199K
PlayStation Portable 180K
Game Boy Advance 148K
PlayStation 3 130K
GameCube 22K
Xbox n/a
But this time Sony is the first Siony is the first to respond, and with a cleverly written little piece of PR
that suggest what we all know to be true. :rolleyes:
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While PS3 saw a month-over-month increase of 2% with sales of 129,638 units, we continued to find ourselves supply constrained in March due primarily to the shift in manufacturing focus to the PS3 PAL version to support the launch of the system in Europe.
source
Thats right the PS3 continues to be supply constained all through March.... are they refering to the hard to find(cause its been discontinued due to lack of interest) 20GB model? Or is "supply constrained" referring to customers willing to shell out FIVE HUNDERD NINETY NINE US DOLLARS for a PS3?
Post by: Deguello on April 20, 2007, 08:20:08 AM
I think I can let the math speak for itself from here.
Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2007, 08:37:43 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2007, 06:43:20 PM
Pioneer to release $299 US Dollar Blu-Ray players
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Pioneer on April 17 debuted its BDC-S02 Blu-ray Disc (BD) Combo drive model in Beijing, for immediate launch in China and later in other markets around the world at a recommended retail price of US$299, according to Pioneer's Taiwan subsidiary Pioneer High Fidelity Taiwan.
That would mean that PS3 is no longer a "cheap" BD player by any means and that excuse or bulletin point would no longer be very useful, especially with the drought of actual games to play at the moment. But this could also lead to a major PS3 price drop, which is what 95% of the potential PS3 buyers are all waiting/hoping for.
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2007, 07:20:02 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2007, 04:11:35 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 23, 2007, 03:03:54 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2007, 03:40:52 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 23, 2007, 05:36:45 AM
Of course, you still have Cell, but that is supposedly coming down in price thanks to the 65-nanometer version as well.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 23, 2007, 05:51:06 AM
I am one of those people...and I believe that both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are going to be Laser Disc technologies. They aren't going to catch on, and are being introduced to a public that isn't demanding or really desiring an upgrade in technology yet.
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2007, 06:29:43 AM
Why do I think this way? My gut feeling and from the people I know tells me that a lot of people switched to DVD for 3 reasons:
- VCR Tapes were getting harder to fine
- DVD's don't wear out nearly as quick
- DVD's are smaller and thinner then VHS/Betamax Tapes.
Those are the 3 core reason I believe people switched. The new formats give us none of that. DVDs aren't harder for find, optical discs for the most part wear the same, and the form factor is not smaller. I don't think we'll see a real shift till we move to a media about the size of an SD card but stills offer the space and quality of the new HD discs if not more of both. I can fit roughly 14 SD cards in the same area as a standard optical disc (Though the real number is probably 10 because of the circular nature of discs). I also have an idea on how to shrink the number of movable parts but that is not for this discussion.
At that point the media becomes far more mobile. (Can be incorporated into phones, PDAs, and other small formfactor handheld devices.) I really don't know where we go from their except more space, faster access speeds, and better durability.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 23, 2007, 07:07:58 AM
Keep in mind that Sony is selling a 600$ system that has a part others sell for 300$ alone. If a BRD player cost 200$ to make Pioneer would make big profit while Sony would suffer.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2007, 07:27:26 AM
QuoteIf the cost of the BRD drive has actually come down that low, how long before MS decided to add an external one to the Xbox360 peripheral list, therefore making the 360 a HDDVD/BluRay player while the PS3 just remains a hefty financial investment thats not quite as flexible(HD player-wise).
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
One has to wonder what the $299 Blu-ray player means for the cost of Blu-ray manufacturing in general, too. Maybe Sony isn't losing as much money as everyone thinks.
Keep in mind that Sony is selling a 600$ system that has a part others sell for 300$ alone. If a BRD player cost 200$ to make Pioneer would make big profit while Sony would suffer.
I remember MS saying that they weren't against a BRD add-on, but didn't have any plans for one at that point in time. Granted, it would make the 360 more expensive, but you don't have to put all that money down upfront.
Post by: Mikintosh on April 23, 2007, 09:27:19 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1QuoteIf the cost of the BRD drive has actually come down that low, how long before MS decided to add an external one to the Xbox360 peripheral list, therefore making the 360 a HDDVD/BluRay player while the PS3 just remains a hefty financial investment thats not quite as flexible(HD player-wise).
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
One has to wonder what the $299 Blu-ray player means for the cost of Blu-ray manufacturing in general, too. Maybe Sony isn't losing as much money as everyone thinks.
Keep in mind that Sony is selling a 600$ system that has a part others sell for 300$ alone. If a BRD player cost 200$ to make Pioneer would make big profit while Sony would suffer.
I remember MS saying that they weren't against a BRD add-on, but didn't have any plans for one at that point in time. Granted, it would make the 360 more expensive, but you don't have to put all that money down upfront.
They're never going to endorse a direct competitor's propreitary format unless they absolutely have to, and it's definately not at that point.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 23, 2007, 09:39:12 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
One has to wonder what the $299 Blu-ray player means for the cost of Blu-ray manufacturing in general, too. Maybe Sony isn't losing as much money as everyone thinks.
Keep in mind that Sony is selling a 600$ system that has a part others sell for 300$ alone. If a BRD player cost 200$ to make Pioneer would make big profit while Sony would suffer.
Quite true, but my recollection was that PS3 was the cheapest BR player on the market at launch time. Point is, costs must be coming down, though I agree that PS3 could still easily be losing money.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 23, 2007, 11:23:14 AM
The fact is this is a simple supply and demand equation. If the players were selling, then they would keep the higher prices and make a buttload of money.
Post by: Arbok on April 23, 2007, 12:20:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Costs aren't really going down. They just found out that people won't pay that much money for a BRD player.
The fact is this is a simple supply and demand equation. If the players were selling, then they would keep the higher prices and make a buttload of money.
Costs are going down, but I think you hit on the bigger reason here. Sony was recently beating their own chest in triumph over the milestone of Casino Royale at 100,000 units... however, in the typically Sony fashion, those are shipped and not sold figures. Rumor has it that, in fact, a lot of those copies have not sold. If demand is that low, and you factor in that a lot of the players on the market are currently PS3s, you are probably getting a little worried if you are producing the stand alone players. So it's really not a surprise that they have began to slash prices so drastically. I wouldn't be surprised even if they are now turning hardly any profit at all in hopes that it just might accelerate the growth of the format for more sales later on.
Let's face it too, if they don't start selling, then stores will start to slash the space they have for the format until that sends the discs and players into a death spiral (ala UMDs).
Post by: Louieturkey on April 23, 2007, 01:46:09 PM
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Originally posted by: ArbokLet's face it too, if they don't start selling, then stores will start to slash the space they have for the format until that sends the discs and players into a death spiral (ala UMDs).
No need to reference UMDs. That format was only ever planned for the PSP and never had any other UMD movie-only players on the market. Bluray was seen first as a movie based media and has had partners to make dedicated movie players for a long time. They are two different situations and should not be compared.
In May or June, Sony is coming out with a $699 bluray player that does more than what their current $999 player does. The funny thing about this is that the PS3 is still considered the best Bluray player on the market. The only point for these other bluray players from sony is to try to cover the costs of the PS3 at this point.
Post by: Mikintosh on April 23, 2007, 06:38:21 PM
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Originally posted by: LouieturkeyQuote
Originally posted by: ArbokLet's face it too, if they don't start selling, then stores will start to slash the space they have for the format until that sends the discs and players into a death spiral (ala UMDs).
No need to reference UMDs. That format was only ever planned for the PSP and never had any other UMD movie-only players on the market. Bluray was seen first as a movie based media and has had partners to make dedicated movie players for a long time. They are two different situations and should not be compared.
Ooh, I'm not too sure on that. I have no facts, per se, to back me up, but I have a feeling that if UMDs had been a huge hit, they would've made them home-compatible in some way. And then other companies would have gotten in on it. So what if Sony's Blu-Ray players have a little competition? It's their format, so having other companies endorse it by making players for BD disks is just helping them. Not to mention that Blu-Ray's seen as partially a game-based media since they launched it alongside the PS3 and advertised the hell out of the fact that the games were in that format.
Louieturkey's right (not a phrase I thought I'd be saying in my lifetime); Blu-Ray as well as HD-DVD are in a tenuous position, as they don't even have the shelfspace that the UMDs had at their peak. If the sales don't pick up, they'll lose what they have left.
Post by: Arbok on April 24, 2007, 07:10:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
No need to reference UMDs. That format was only ever planned for the PSP and never had any other UMD movie-only players on the market. Bluray was seen first as a movie based media and has had partners to make dedicated movie players for a long time. They are two different situations and should not be compared.
My comparison was of the retail/consumer relationship, not the format itself, which is why I placed it after the "death spiral" comment. Simply put: if sales aren't there, then retailers will slash the shelf space for the item. The lack of shelf, which includes decreased variety in this case, then begins to impact sales causing them to lower further, often sending the product into a "death spiral".
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 24, 2007, 08:16:18 AM
I think Sony was probably hoping UMDs would have taken off.
Post by: Ceric on April 24, 2007, 09:19:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
If the UMD format would have taken off. Sony would have marketed it as the standard for portable movies. I mean they are smaller than DVDs and provide better protection and are more durable for traveling.
I think Sony was probably hoping UMDs would have taken off.
It was like hoping that a deer in a bear trap would escape a hunter. It could happen but the odds are fairly stacked against it.
Sony released the PSP, UMD/DVD home combo system, and Portable UMD standalone player. Then I would have thought they wanted it to succeed by more then luck.
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2007, 03:49:17 AM
It takes more processing for the PS3 to play a movie then a game... No wonder Blu-Ray players are expensive. They need a "Mini-Supercomputer" to run them.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 25, 2007, 04:41:50 AM
This article about Sony and Microsoft losing the war over multimedia one-upmanship is pretty interesting. I particularly liked the parts about the PSX - not the original Playstation, but the expensive TV recording version of the Playstation 2. I completely forgot it existed, and the article explains why - it failed miserably.
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2007, 09:52:54 AM
Found one at $200 right now but then I got to thinking that it is probably regionned for Japan and I have to find a way to crack it to play US games.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 25, 2007, 12:12:54 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on April 25, 2007, 12:48:52 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Yeah, I think it was only released in Japan. At $200, it sounds like an interesting proposition for hardware nuts.
Yeah, I remember those went on the market for about the equivalent of $1000 or something like that. $200 is a pretty good deal at this point.
Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2007, 02:42:10 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2007, 11:41:17 PM
Other than that, you can forget all about his post.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2007, 07:53:15 AM
DuelingAnalogs.com
Post by: couchmonkey on May 15, 2007, 03:29:16 AM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 15, 2007, 11:57:50 PM
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TOKYO, Japan (Reuters) -- Sony reported a 68 percent fall in annual operating profit on Wednesday due to losses in its game unit and costs to recall PC batteries, but it forecast steep growth this year that beats market expectations.
lol
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/BUSINESS/05/16/sony.slump.reut/index.html
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2007, 07:35:59 AM
I don't know the European sales figures, but if they are anything like this weeks Famitsu (see DS sales thread) then this shirt is very appropriate <sp>
Post by: Shift Key on May 16, 2007, 10:19:28 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 17, 2007, 02:21:20 PM
Post by: capamerica on May 17, 2007, 02:36:13 PM
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The NPD group has released US video game sales data for April, a month which left Nintendo laughing and others playing the fool. Industry sales are up by 20% over last month, generating a grand total of $838.6 million. Software sales dropped by 1% to $389.8 million, though a 54% increase in hardware revenue to $338.4 million lessened the impact.
GameDaily Biz reports that Nintendo's hardware took the top two spots (for real this time), with the Wii showing an increase in sales for the first time in several months. The system's shortage situation has enjoyed some improvement, though unfortunately the same can't be said for Sony. Despite the PSP trumping Microsoft's elite offering, it seems the crippling "shortage" from March has only tightened its grip on the PlayStation 3.
* Nintendo DS: 471K (10.9 million total)
* Nintendo Wii: 360K (2.5 million total)
* Sony PlayStation 2: 194K (38.2 million total)
* Sony PSP: 183K (7.4 million total)
* Microsoft Xbox 360: 174K (5.4 million total)
* Nintendo Game Boy Advance: 84K (35.7 million total)
* Sony PlayStation 3: 82K (1.3 million total)
* Nintendo Gamecube: 13K (11.7 million total)
* Microsoft Xbox: N/A
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on May 17, 2007, 11:39:43 PM
Post by: Kairon on May 18, 2007, 12:03:16 AM
Post by: oohhboy on May 18, 2007, 12:29:02 AM
The fact that Sony killed Sega makes it a first-preference target.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 18, 2007, 08:22:23 AM
Everyone should read their "best promo pic ever" article.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2007, 06:40:57 PM
Not so quick there, Sony hasn't stopped stepping on cracks and kicking black cats just yet.
Sony getting sued over Blu-Ray
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Given its global position as an electronics giant, Sony is quite familiar with patent law. The company is also quite familiar with the potential penalties for running afoul of patent law, as evidenced by the $97 million in damages and interest it had to pay Immersion Corporation in a dispute over the rumble functions in Dual Shock controllers.
While the two companies have since patched things up, Sony opted to leave rumble by the wayside when it was designing the PlayStation 3's motion-sensing Sixaxis controller. The electronics giant couldn't avoid patent headaches entirely, however, as Irvine, California-based Target Technology Company filed suit earlier this month, seeking damages for alleged patent violations relating to the Blu-ray technology used in the system.
The suit, which names Sony Computer Entertainment America, Sony Pictures, and Sony DADC, claims that products marketed under the Blu-ray name infringe on a patent it owns for reflective layer materials in optical discs.
The patent was filed in April of 2004 and granted in March of 2006.
Target is seeking a permanent injunction preventing Sony from violating its patent rights in the future, as well as damages with interest, multiplied due to what it characterizes as deliberate and willful infringement.
As if they weren't having a hard enough time selling PS3's and games for the system, its gonna get alot harder when you can't produce the drives the games are played on or the disc that they are stored on either.
edit: More info on the patent
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 24, 2007, 08:35:19 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 25, 2007, 04:33:05 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 25, 2007, 05:44:28 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2007, 07:33:56 AM
Post by: stevey on May 25, 2007, 09:40:24 AM
Post by: UERD on May 25, 2007, 11:47:28 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2007, 12:19:53 PM
QuoteIt was a patent on an alloy that reflects just as good or better than gold or silver and is a helluva lot cheaper than either to those two. If Sony doesn't want to pay licensing fees they are more than welcome to develop their own gold/silver-like alloy, or actually use gold and/or silver as the reflective layer on their disc.
Originally posted by: Ceric
From reading the additional information how could you get a patent for Silver and Gold as a reflective coating?
Either way it's gonna cost more to produce a higher capacity BRD, because of materials (gold/silver) or R&D (researching a new gold/silver-like alloy) cost.
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2007, 02:34:56 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2007, 03:29:35 AM
That is the exact reason I'm hoping that HD-DVD and Bluray both fail and in 2010 HVD* is introduced to the mainstream and everyone is happy. 1 Terabyte of storage means you never have to rebuy your movies again. Just think absolute best quality picture, resolution and lossless sound. Techophiles will wet themselves, and no one would need a different type of physical media for a very long time, other than a HDD, making it so that hopefully there will not have to be another senseless format war for some time to come.
*HVD stands for Holographic Versatile Disc and is capable really fast read/write times and 1+ Terabyte of data storage. Full legnth HD movies with all the options and extras could be stored on a disc the size of Gamecube disc and probably still have room left over in comparison to their largest BRD and HD-DVD counterparts. Not to mention with higher quality picture and and sound.
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2007, 03:45:27 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2007, 03:56:35 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2007, 04:19:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Yeah, but personally, I don't think Disc in the DVD/CD sense is the best shape for that type of media from my understanding. It be really exciting to see it come out in the size of a DS Card, a little thicker and bigger then a SD card. I think thats the ideal size for Media. To much smaller and it becomes to easy to lose.
Holographic Card
Perhaps something like this? It reminds me of those isolinear chips that they had on Star Trek TNG.
Holographic discs aren't even the best thing on the horizon. Brace yourselves for Protein Coated Discs!
Holographic discs can do a maximum of 3.9 terabytes, but the Protein discs are said to do up to 50 terabytes! You could store like every movie ever made on one of those... :P well maybe not all, but all the ones which are worth watching anyway.
I refuse to upgrade my DVDs until the Protein discs take off.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2007, 04:26:22 AM
But protein coated disc? Thats the first I heard of that. Sounds interesting, and should be out in some form or another in about a year? Sounds even better.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2007, 04:30:50 AM
How Sony plans to recoup their PS3 losses
Show it to the die-hard Sony fans you know and tell them this is how their favorite company treats its loyal customers.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2007, 04:40:55 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
A holographic card would be even better than a disc, no worries about scratches and fingerprints.
But protein coated disc? Thats the first I heard of that. Sounds interesting, and should be out in some form or another in about a year? Sounds even better.
Yeah. I would recommend people to hold off on adopting HD-DVD or Blu-ray. I think this generation format war is just a stepping stone, and it is probably going to quickly move to either Holographic discs or Protein discs or god only knows what in another 5 years or something. I don't think this current generation will last as long or be as successful as VHS or DVD...
But it really depends on what the movie industry will adopt. You can have the best format in the world but if studios won't put content on it then it doesn't matter.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2007, 07:22:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Chozo Ghost
Here is something I came across today. I am not sure if this is something to do with the PS3 or some other thing they make, but it kinda shows how corrupt and greedy they are:
How Sony plans to recoup their PS3 losses
Show it to the die-hard Sony fans you know and tell them this is how their favorite company treats its loyal customers.
I'm sure they had some sort of super express overnite(same day?) shipping for a screw to come out to 61 Euros. That is just way too insane of a price and all the facts must not be present.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 27, 2007, 07:53:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Yeah, but personally, I don't think Disc in the DVD/CD sense is the best shape for that type of media from my understanding. It be really exciting to see it come out in the size of a DS Card, a little thicker and bigger then a SD card. I think thats the ideal size for Media. To much smaller and it becomes to easy to lose.
Speak for yourself I've lost a few DS games!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 27, 2007, 07:55:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Chozo GhostQuote
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
A holographic card would be even better than a disc, no worries about scratches and fingerprints.
But protein coated disc? Thats the first I heard of that. Sounds interesting, and should be out in some form or another in about a year? Sounds even better.
Yeah. I would recommend people to hold off on adopting HD-DVD or Blu-ray. I think this generation format war is just a stepping stone, and it is probably going to quickly move to either Holographic discs or Protein discs or god only knows what in another 5 years or something. I don't think this current generation will last as long or be as successful as VHS or DVD...
But it really depends on what the movie industry will adopt. You can have the best format in the world but if studios won't put content on it then it doesn't matter.
I love my HD-DVD (The Xbox 360 one)player and will soon be getting Blu-Ray (yes a stand alone player, I don't want my PS3 burning my house down while watching movies). So it better stick around!
Post by: KDR_11k on May 27, 2007, 09:19:32 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
Yeah, but personally, I don't think Disc in the DVD/CD sense is the best shape for that type of media from my understanding. It be really exciting to see it come out in the size of a DS Card, a little thicker and bigger then a SD card. I think thats the ideal size for Media. To much smaller and it becomes to easy to lose.
Speak for yourself I've lost a few DS games!
That's nothing, I lost a few SNES games!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2007, 09:56:19 AM
Post by: Ghisy on May 27, 2007, 10:08:30 AM
Not even a DS or GBA one, I always put it back in its box if I don't play it.
Not everyone does that...
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Post by: Kairon on May 27, 2007, 12:50:00 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I love my HD-DVD (The Xbox 360 one)player and will soon be getting Blu-Ray (yes a stand alone player, I don't want my PS3 burning my house down while watching movies). So it better stick around!
Huh? But isn't a standalone player JUST AS EXPENSIVE as a PS3? Besides, as long as you've got house insurance and a fire-proof lockbox, you can sue the pants off Sony when it DOES happen!
Post by: KDR_11k on May 27, 2007, 07:28:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Chozo Ghost
Am I the only one who has never lost a game before? I've had some people borrow some and never return them, but that is different... I usually take good care of things, and I've learned if people want to borrow games from me now they better leave a deposit.
I suspect that's what happened here as well, except they didn't bother to tell me they're borrowing the game.
Post by: that Baby guy on May 27, 2007, 07:40:29 PM
On topic, the PS3 received update 1.80. This update adds a ton of features, from what I've read, but will not update backwards-compatibility for those stuck with those crappy European consoles. I feel bad for any European Playstation fans out there. They got completely gypped. After all, there were told the PS3 would have full backwards compatibility, then I bet a ton of them sold their PS2s before they went down too far in value, then the PS3 was delayed, and didn't wind up with a decent BC list at all. Isn't there a lawsuit somewhere in this issue?
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 28, 2007, 10:54:15 PM
Anyways how bad is the backwards compatibility in Europe?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 29, 2007, 05:11:57 AM
But, it is nice that at least for this generation Nintendo managed to do a simultaeous launch and so Europeans could buy the Wii on the same day as Americans and Japanese (if they were lucky or persistent enough anyway). But Sony still is screwing them over with a really late launch there, and the backwards compatibility problems, and don't Europeans pay considerably more for the PS3 too?
Sony is probably going to be third place in every region this generation, but I think in Europe they will do the most poorly....
Oh yeah, and let's never forget that racist ad campaign they did when they introduced the white PSP to Europe... I hope Europeans never forget that.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 29, 2007, 07:22:13 AM
I suppose so since we'd have to pay more for them so less fit into a budget. Additionally PC games are much cheaper than console games and most people buy those instead.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2007, 06:48:42 AM
Is their anything that they won't copy?
Post by: Ceric on June 04, 2007, 05:06:09 AM
Thus making the PS3 the Second least Blu-Ray player. Speculation says that Sony will need to drop the price of the PS3 to compensate as well. Though I see them doing it when the release the PS3 Gimped Edition here in the States.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2007, 06:39:29 AM
All a cheaper standalone player means is that Sony figured out how to reduce cost of the BR playing components, which might mean they are now taking less of a loss on PS3 than before, but not enough to drop the price. Not yet anyway.
I think when you see a $399(or less) BRD player then you will see a $499 PS3 being sold at or near cost.
when that $299(or less) BRD player hits, we might see a $399 PS3 being sold at cost or small profit.
But thats all just my opinon
Post by: Ceric on June 04, 2007, 07:41:29 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on June 04, 2007, 09:10:45 AM
I'd love to know what Sony is thinking right now. "Our hand are tied, third place will have to do"? Or does the company really believe the technological advantage is going to put PS3 ahead 2-3 years down the road? Because by that time the third parties are going to be loooong gone.
Edit: Further to that, N'Gai Croal and another games journalist at Newsweek were discussing third parties and some people in the industry have been telling them that if PS3 sales don't buck up PS3 games are going to start getting canceled. Worse, some games that are already complete are being delayed because there aren't enough users yet.
Post by: Ceric on June 04, 2007, 09:14:02 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2007, 08:35:08 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 05, 2007, 06:19:48 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 05, 2007, 06:23:03 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 05, 2007, 07:53:54 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I think we might see a price drop this year...I mean...if you really look at the games business, I think it's safe to say that Sony is dead meat if it doesn't stimulate sales by the end of 2007, and I don't think Ratchet and Clank and a few unknown Sony exclusives are going to do that. That said...the bottom line may prevent it.
I'd love to know what Sony is thinking right now. "Our hand are tied, third place will have to do"? Or does the company really believe the technological advantage is going to put PS3 ahead 2-3 years down the road? Because by that time the third parties are going to be loooong gone.
Edit: Further to that, N'Gai Croal and another games journalist at Newsweek were discussing third parties and some people in the industry have been telling them that if PS3 sales don't buck up PS3 games are going to start getting canceled. Worse, some games that are already complete are being delayed because there aren't enough users yet.
that's what they get for counting their eggs before they hatch. each generation should be seen as new and a fresh start. companies latching onto PS3 because they "just knew" it was going to win, deserve what they are getting.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 05, 2007, 08:47:03 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 05, 2007, 09:29:17 AM
Post by: Arbok on June 05, 2007, 10:09:13 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Edit: Further to that, N'Gai Croal and another games journalist at Newsweek were discussing third parties and some people in the industry have been telling them that if PS3 sales don't buck up PS3 games are going to start getting canceled.
*from the article*
"Do and end-run around the 360 by communicating that the PS3 as the "ultimate Blu-Ray player" to even a non-game audience."
Uh, yeah, no... Color me crazy, but I don't see people, especially non-gamers, suddenly rushing to get a $600 system that's "the ultimate Blu-Ray player".
Also, anyone else laugh how his response to the NPD figures was 90% on the PS3 and 360, and then slipped in a quick paragraph at the end about how:
"As for your question about Nintendo storming to first place, it's creating concern but not panic."
It might merit more conversation on that point alone... but considering he was a former writer for the Official Xbox Magazine, I somehow doubt he would be the most unbiast source anyway.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 05, 2007, 11:07:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
If a system can screw up a year lead (Xbox 360) then a horrible first year won't kill a system. Ok...it might.
The one thing which saved the 360 was that it didn't face any next generation competition for a whole year. The PS3 has no such luxury.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 05, 2007, 11:27:13 AM
Post by: Arbok on June 05, 2007, 11:37:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Is it even outperforming the original Xbox yet?
I'm pretty sure it has now, particularly due to strong performance in the US... although it has lost even more ground in Japan in contrast, which is really bad considering that the PS3 isn't doing hot there either now.
Post by: denjet78 on June 05, 2007, 11:45:37 AM
That article, um... sucked. I can't believe I read that whole back and forth. They basically still seem to think that it's going to come down to Sony vs MS. They don't even say anything about Nintendo being in a different market or anything, they just pretend that they don't exist and when they do mention Nintendo it's usually a quick blurb about how well they're doing with a jab about how the Wii is going to flop sooner than later.
People have been saying that since the controller was unveiled.
Really, what does Nintendo have to do to get any kind of respect? The Wii is selling faster than the PS2 did and they're still getting knocked? There really must be some sort of conspiracy out there against them. What else makes any sense?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 05, 2007, 11:50:51 AM
The little shrubs that can't get any sunlight thanks to the taller trees blocking the sun, will die.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 05, 2007, 12:12:45 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 05, 2007, 12:17:16 PM
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Originally posted by: denjet78
Wow.
That article, um... sucked. I can't believe I read that whole back and forth. They basically still seem to think that it's going to come down to Sony vs MS. They don't even say anything about Nintendo being in a different market or anything, they just pretend that they don't exist and when they do mention Nintendo it's usually a quick blurb about how well they're doing with a jab about how the Wii is going to flop sooner than later.
People have been saying that since the controller was unveiled.
Really, what does Nintendo have to do to get any kind of respect? The Wii is selling faster than the PS2 did and they're still getting knocked? There really must be some sort of conspiracy out there against them. What else makes any sense?
That's the Hardcore Gaming Media agenda.
Well... in their defense, there's not much to say about the Wii. It's awesome. That's about it.
And N'Gai STILL hasn't given us his "Kyoto - Wii have a problem" article. I've been waiting for his analysis 4ever.
Post by: Kairon on June 05, 2007, 12:23:16 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Right, but Sony is a fungus. They're the yeast of video game consoles. Sure, Sony is no good alone, but if you give them ideas to leech off of, you never know what they could steal.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 05, 2007, 12:23:17 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 05, 2007, 12:46:38 PM
Then there's the whole fact that he considers video games as a North American domestic industry in his article. His perspective was terrible in that regard, since Japan houses most of the third party publishers that are able to turn a profit with anything that isn't a non-game on a computer or Nintendo system. But whatever.
And then forget the fact that one of the top selling games in April was indeed a hardcore gamer's game for the Wii, despite the packaging. But he hasn't played it. He and his bud can only criticize Wii-Play because it isn't for them or they haven't played it around any friends and family. But hey, who am I to judge the console industry, I'm only more accurate than he and his third party sources are, which, IMO is not very difficult to be, so whatever.
Edit: I forgot this part "the Metal Gear Solid 2 demo with Zone of the Enders" describing the PS2's after launch line-up. It's like Zone of the Enders wasn't really a game from his perspective. I wonder if he played it, or if they only reason he bought was to try to see Solid without pants.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 05, 2007, 12:55:45 PM
OH MY, IMAGES!
Post by: couchmonkey on June 06, 2007, 04:16:11 AM
I think the reason there's still a focus on Xbox 360 vs. PS3 is because they're competing directly. It's like a car accident at a race track, who cares who's in first place while two other cars are exploding on the side of the road? The fact is, if Wii keeps going like this, there's nothing MS or Sony can do about it. Their consoles just aren't designed to compete with Wii - it can always be cheaper and it'll always be founded on the concept of making games easy for everyone to play.
I had one idea Sony could try to turn things around a bit - pack a game in with the system. It makes the system a better deal and costs Sony less than a price drop. GTA IV would be ideal, but packing it in would be costly and may also tick off retailers. Resistance or something would be a lot cheaper, but would anybody care? A $50 price drop plus free GTA might be enough to get PS3 back in the race against 360, though it certainly wouldn't get it in line with Wii.
Post by: Arbok on June 06, 2007, 05:48:27 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I think the reason there's still a focus on Xbox 360 vs. PS3 is because they're competing directly. It's like a car accident at a race track, who cares who's in first place while two other cars are exploding on the side of the road?
That analogy might work in the case of this article... if you add in a part where they are predicting that the car in first (well, it's not quite there yet) is going to crash and be overtaken eventually...
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2007, 08:36:18 AM
This type of thing is never good.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 06, 2007, 08:37:23 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 06, 2007, 09:44:20 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on June 06, 2007, 09:58:56 AM
But now I'm starting to fall into the trap of defending the idea too much. There's no denying GTA IV won't save PS3 on its own. I'm just trying to think up ways to sell more PS3s.
Ceric: Nice find, not for Sony employees, though. I love the way they use the word "redundancies" instead of "people we're firing". Like "collateral damage".
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 06, 2007, 10:13:19 AM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 06, 2007, 10:28:33 AM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on June 06, 2007, 12:48:50 PM
QuoteI don't think this is really accurate. It will sell a lot of systems because there are a lot of Halo fans willing to buy a system for one game if it's good enough, especially me.
Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Halo 3 won't do anything for Microsoft because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers. It's for people that have already played Halo and Halo 2.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 06, 2007, 12:53:23 PM
Post by: denjet78 on June 06, 2007, 02:48:01 PM
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-RQuoteI don't think this is really accurate. It will sell a lot of systems because there are a lot of Halo fans willing to buy a system for one game if it's good enough, especially me.
Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Halo 3 won't do anything for Microsoft because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers. It's for people that have already played Halo and Halo 2.
I don't think it's going to push many systems either. It's a 3rd gen franchise title. Basically it's being refined to the point where only the super hardcore are going to be interested in it any longer and that super hardcore market for the game probably already own 360s as it is. I haven't heard about anything different between Halo 2 and 3. As it is, is there even any evidence that Halo 2 pushed a lot of systems? Even if it did, it's certainly less than Halo did, and Halo 3 will push even less.
Most everyone who wants the game already has the system. MS has been pimping it since before the 360 even came out. Who's left that wants the game to sell 360s to?
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2007, 05:27:02 PM
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Twilight Princess won't do anything for Nintendo because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers. It's for people that have already played Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker.
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I don't think it's going to push many systems either. It's a 3rd gen franchise title. Basically it's being refined to the point where only the super hardcore are going to be interested in it any longer and that super hardcore market for the game probably already own Wiis as it is. I haven't heard about anything different between Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. As it is, is there even any evidence that Super Mario Sunshine pushed a lot of systems? Even if it did, it's certainly less than Super Mario 64 did, and Super Mario Galaxy will push even less.
Most everyone who wants the game already has the system. Nintendo has been pimping it since before the Wii even came out. Who's left that wants the game to sell Wiis to?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2007, 07:11:01 PM
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If you replaced every reference to Microsoft with an appropriate reference to Nintendo (i.e. Halo ---> Zelda), Nintendo fans would go wild..... even though, in either case, you could make the same arguments for and against. For example:Quote
Twilight Princess won't do anything for Nintendo because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers. It's for people that have already played Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker.Quote
I don't think it's going to push many systems either. It's a 3rd gen franchise title. Basically it's being refined to the point where only the super hardcore are going to be interested in it any longer and that super hardcore market for the game probably already own Wiis as it is. I haven't heard about anything different between Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. As it is, is there even any evidence that Super Mario Sunshine pushed a lot of systems? Even if it did, it's certainly less than Super Mario 64 did, and Super Mario Galaxy will push even less.
Most everyone who wants the game already has the system. Nintendo has been pimping it since before the Wii even came out. Who's left that wants the game to sell Wiis to?
Hate to say it but that is a pretty lame argument, because TP did help push systems in the US, that is a fact. The 2nd quote is even worse because there is an obvious difference between SMS and Mario Galaxy it has been shown, all we have with Halo 3 is a mp beta and nothing else, not to mention Halo 2 isn't that much different from Halo 1. In regards to SMS pushing systems I don't know either way, if there was a sales spike during the release I would say so (which could also be looked at for Halo 2). Your other "witty" point is also pretty lame, right now you can't find a Wii, so I doubt everyone has a system who wants it.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 06, 2007, 07:17:42 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 06, 2007, 07:23:15 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Well, I think to answer the question of whether or not Halo 3 will sell 360s, you have to define why Halo 2 sold systems: Was it to get more of Halo, or was it to play Halo online? If it was to get more Halo, then Halo 3 will absolutely sell systems at an amazing rate. If it was to play Halo online, then there won't be much reason to get Halo 3, barring some great new feature is introduced.
That is an interesting quest there. BTW does anyone have any stats of system sales during Halo 2's release? It would be interesting to see.
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
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Hate to say it but that is a pretty lame argument...
What argument? All I did was switch words, the result of which, I'd imagine, isn't too far off a Microsoft fan's POV. I didn't take a side and in fact, I disagree with both because I think such statements are kind of stupid and pointless. Counterpoints are almost as easy as switching some names around.
Fanboys/fangirls make these narrow-minded comments like "[insert game title] won't do anything for [insert hardware company]" but get all defensive when the same is said about their respective company. You just proved that with your big explanation. Don't you think a Halo fan can defend Halo just as hard as you defended Mario and Zelda?
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 07, 2007, 01:56:02 AM
Just like several Nintendo fans are waiting until this winter to pick up a Wii because that is when Brawl and Galaxy will be out, and those are the games they want to play. To say that one of the biggest exclusive games from last year won't push systems is somewhat foolish. I would say that Halo 3 has a large chance of pushing hardware units than say Grand Theft Auto IV.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 07, 2007, 03:06:04 AM
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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-RQuoteI don't think this is really accurate. It will sell a lot of systems because there are a lot of Halo fans willing to buy a system for one game if it's good enough, especially me.
Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Halo 3 won't do anything for Microsoft because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers. It's for people that have already played Halo and Halo 2.
yes, but logic can also say those kind of people would have already bought a xbox 360 because they knew the game was coming.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 07, 2007, 03:09:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
If you replaced every reference to Microsoft with an appropriate reference to Nintendo (i.e. Halo ---> Zelda), Nintendo fans would go wild..... even though, in either case, you could make the same arguments for and against. For example:Quote
Twilight Princess won't do anything for Nintendo because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers. It's for people that have already played Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker.Quote
I don't think it's going to push many systems either. It's a 3rd gen franchise title. Basically it's being refined to the point where only the super hardcore are going to be interested in it any longer and that super hardcore market for the game probably already own Wiis as it is. I haven't heard about anything different between Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. As it is, is there even any evidence that Super Mario Sunshine pushed a lot of systems? Even if it did, it's certainly less than Super Mario 64 did, and Super Mario Galaxy will push even less.
Most everyone who wants the game already has the system. Nintendo has been pimping it since before the Wii even came out. Who's left that wants the game to sell Wiis to?
You get my point. I wasn't picking Halo 3 to pick on Halo 3. I was just making a statement on sequels, whether they are on Wii, XB360 or PS3.
Post by: denjet78 on June 07, 2007, 03:40:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
If you replaced every reference to Microsoft with an appropriate reference to Nintendo (i.e. Halo ---> Zelda), Nintendo fans would go wild..... even though, in either case, you could make the same arguments for and against. For example:Quote
Twilight Princess won't do anything for Nintendo because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers. It's for people that have already played Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker.Quote
I don't think it's going to push many systems either. It's a 3rd gen franchise title. Basically it's being refined to the point where only the super hardcore are going to be interested in it any longer and that super hardcore market for the game probably already own Wiis as it is. I haven't heard about anything different between Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. As it is, is there even any evidence that Super Mario Sunshine pushed a lot of systems? Even if it did, it's certainly less than Super Mario 64 did, and Super Mario Galaxy will push even less.
Most everyone who wants the game already has the system. Nintendo has been pimping it since before the Wii even came out. Who's left that wants the game to sell Wiis to?
When MS does with Halo what Nintendo has basically done with almost all of their sequels, meaning actually put some thought into how they can evolve gameplay instead of simply refining it, then this comparison will be valid. Until then, you're just splitting hairs.
And using Sunshine and Twilight Princess as examples is bad form. Sure, Nintendo has been guilty of fanservice in the past but for the most part they actually try with their sequels. Not like most other developers who just throw together new maps, add some prettier graphics, a token feature or two and then call it a day. Your comparison completely breaks down when you bring Galaxy into the picture. Have you seen any of the media for the game?
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2007, 07:19:19 AM
Even as a Mario and Zelda fan myself, I could argue that. But really, that's not even the point. I'm just opposed to all fanboyism.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 07, 2007, 08:07:00 AM
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Spoken like a true fanboy......
Even as a Mario and Zelda fan myself, I could argue that. But really, that's not even the point. I'm just opposed to all fanboyism.
Great defense of your witty insertion of words there, yes you could argue it but it was stupid, especially comparing SMS vs SMG to the Halo 1 vs Halo 2 vs Halo 3. The point is that your so called wit does not hold water, perhaps you should go back and play Halo 1/2 then come back and compare it to the Super Mario Galaxy vs. SMS in "freshness". Now if you would have used lets say Smash Brothers or Metroid Prime in comparison it would make a little more sense, but as it stands you made an unsound argument. Heck even big Halo fans would probably admit the first two games aren't that different besides multiplayer being online.
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2007, 10:44:48 AM
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GoldenPhoenix wrote:
...your so called wit...
Very mature..... look how bent out of shape your getting..... You're resorting to thinly veiled insults.
Look, I'm not even a Halo fan. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but I'm not taking sides. I'm not making an argument for/against Halo or Mario or whatever. It doesn't matter what you switch Halo with, that's besides the point.
Your opinion is no more valid than the opposing side's opinion. That's all I'm saying. This isn't about being "witty" as you say. I just think it's all kind of pointless.
Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 10:59:06 AM
/cry
Stop taking my job!!!!
/bawl
I... I...
Anyone who's suggesting that Halo 3 will not sell consoles is blind. It's a GOOD GAME.
And 50% of XBOX 360 owners did NOT own an XBox previously. This means that the XBox 360 will actually gain new purchasers in the future not only from its own forays into previously untapped hardcore gamers, as well as rejuvenating their past owners who owned the previous XBox but have not yet jumped onto the 360.
Add that to the inevitable christmas spending and a strong line-up, and the XBox 360 will have a pretty okay holiday season.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 07, 2007, 11:00:29 AM
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Look, I'm not even a Halo fan. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but I'm not taking sides. I'm not making an argument for/against Halo or Mario or whatever. It doesn't matter what you switch Halo with, that's besides the point.
Your opinion is no more valid than the opposing side's opinion. That's all I'm saying. This isn't about being "witty" as you say. I just think it's all kind of pointless.
I am also not making an argument for or against Halo or Mario, but I'm doing it by not stringing everyone along with lots of pointless posts.
Put another way, if it's all pointless, why are you still talking?
Edit: That kind of makes me sound peeved, but I'm not.
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2007, 11:00:58 AM
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Stop taking my job!!!!
Sorry. Proceed.
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Put another way, if it's all pointless, why are you still talking?
I meant that using opinions as arguments was pointless. In any case, I've said my piece. I didn't really mean for anyone to get upset.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 07, 2007, 11:16:19 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 12:03:30 PM
Halo is definitely gonna move copies though. The second sold 8 million worldwide, and virtually all of that in the USA and Europe? Yeah, it'll be big.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 07, 2007, 01:05:26 PM
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GoldenPhoenix wrote:
...your so called wit...
Very mature..... look how bent out of shape your getting..... You're resorting to thinly veiled insults.
Look, I'm not even a Halo fan. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but I'm not taking sides. I'm not making an argument for/against Halo or Mario or whatever. It doesn't matter what you switch Halo with, that's besides the point.
Your opinion is no more valid than the opposing side's opinion. That's all I'm saying. This isn't about being "witty" as you say. I just think it's all kind of pointless.
My point is your point had no merit and were stupid, regardless of what quotes of mine you take completely out of context, choosing not to respond to anything else. You come across as somebody that is trying to be "cool" because they aren't a fanboi and is "fair" even if the examples that are used don't hold any water for the most part. Comparing the criticisms of the Halo series to SMS vs SMG is like apples and oranges. Maybe a series like SSB or Metroid Prime would fit better, but using Mario Galaxy which appears to be extremely fresh in comparison to its predecessors is a bit ridiculous and a big stretch to be witty. Heck the Halo series is out shined by a landslide by PC FPSs, and it wasn't even that fresh when it first came out.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 07, 2007, 01:06:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Actually, I'd be much more inclined to suggest that Devil May Cry IV won't move many units, nor MGS 4, given those two games' actually relatively low (~ 2 million?) worldwide sales.
Halo is definitely gonna move copies though. The second sold 8 million worldwide, and virtually all of that in the USA and Europe? Yeah, it'll be big.
I think Final Fantasy is about PS3's only hope to move a large amount of units.
Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 01:22:31 PM
Mario has waggle.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 07, 2007, 02:10:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
And 50% of XBOX 360 owners did NOT own an XBox previously. This means that the XBox 360 will actually gain new purchasers in the future not only from its own forays into previously untapped hardcore gamers, as well as rejuvenating their past owners who owned the previous XBox but have not yet jumped onto the 360.
Add that to the inevitable christmas spending and a strong line-up, and the XBox 360 will have a pretty okay holiday season.
It's been almost 2 years now, the Xbox owners who haven't jumped to Xbox 360 already most likely won't. The fact that they haven't is rather odd.
Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 02:17:19 PM
Seriously, why else would you buy an XBox? ... Chronicles of Riddick?
Post by: Arbok on June 07, 2007, 02:19:31 PM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
It's been almost 2 years now, the Xbox owners who haven't jumped to Xbox 360 already most likely won't. The fact that they haven't is rather odd.
I don't know. There were a lot of casual Xbox users, and Halo does appeal to a large sum of that group from the previous generation.
My bet, though, is that the price is the biggest hurdle for a lot of the previous owners who haven't gotten on board yet.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 07, 2007, 02:22:11 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 07, 2007, 02:31:24 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Seriously. Halo 2 sold Xboxes. The first Halo was already out, and not everyone who bought Halo 2 had Xbox Live or ordered Live at the time. The game is a system seller, even when it already has an iteration on the platform. It will sell 360s now, too. To say it won't is ignorant, and whoever does refuses to believe historical fact.
I have a friend who loves Halo but tries to argue that Halo is a niche game and that the owners of it are special in some way. It is kind of funny.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 07, 2007, 02:37:45 PM
Now, to the topic at hand! Sony!
Layoffs. Massive. Probably from money loss. And more and more money loss. What options does this aging gaming company have? Do they do a labor transfer? Outsource the people from the thigh...err...India?
Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 03:43:10 PM
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Post by: couchmonkey on June 08, 2007, 06:25:07 AM
Sony's layoffs: this is just par for the course in an ailing company. Anyone following Sony knows it has been in trouble for a few years now, PS3 is just the latest failure in a string. The question is if the layoffs turn things around or signal the beginning of even harder times.
Unfortunately, I'm betting on the harder times category, unless Blu-ray really succeeds. I really think PS3 is a money pit.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2007, 12:01:44 PM
That's PRACTICAL market penetration. Tear a new one.
Post by: Kairon on June 09, 2007, 12:51:37 PM
Post by: ShreddersDojo on June 09, 2007, 01:13:50 PM
I understand it's a loss of money selling them at the price they are now... but that's their fault for helping to cause a format war in the first place, as well as Toshiba...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 09, 2007, 01:42:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
But will people actually BUY HD-DVDs instead of regular DVDs?
I've been buying HD-DVDs instead of DVD (Planet Earth is AMAZING in HD).
Post by: Kairon on June 09, 2007, 02:52:07 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on June 09, 2007, 10:50:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Toshiba will begin selling laptops all standard-equipped with HD-DVD drives beginning in 2008. Apparently they've also sold a GOOD number of laptops in the past 12 months (more than the ps3 managed), so they're attracting quite an audience, especially for a product that's far more useful than a consumer-unfriendly game console.
That's PRACTICAL market penetration. Tear a new one.
I don't see that as practical as the ps3. People want to watch movies on their tv, hd-tvs are the reason the new format is being pushed, and this is for laptops. I don't see these people buying hddvds unless they also happen to buy an at home player.
Post by: capamerica on June 11, 2007, 06:05:33 AM
I'm more then willing to bet that Blu-Ray movies will do the same thing.
HD-DVD on the other hand has been doing well without the help of a console, so if there is going to be a winner it will most likely be HD-DVD.
But in all truth I see both formats dieing off. Their just the next version of lazierdisc and VCDs
Post by: Ceric on June 11, 2007, 09:36:08 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 11, 2007, 03:52:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I can't agree with you there cap. Blu-Ray, unlike UMDs, use your entertainment center and has standalone players.
Plus Blu-ray offers a considerable improvement in quality over DVD, whereas UMD was actually a step backwards. On the other hand, so does HD-DVD... it will be an interesting battle, but I think I would wait until the dust settles before buying either one, or get one of the dual players. Who wants to buy one for hundreds of dollars and then have it die off like laserdisc or Betamax?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 11, 2007, 04:10:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Chozo GhostQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
I can't agree with you there cap. Blu-Ray, unlike UMDs, use your entertainment center and has standalone players.
Plus Blu-ray offers a considerable improvement in quality over DVD, whereas UMD was actually a step backwards. On the other hand, so does HD-DVD... it will be an interesting battle, but I think I would wait until the dust settles before buying either one, or get one of the dual players. Who wants to buy one for hundreds of dollars and then have it die off like laserdisc or Betamax?
I love my HD-DVD player and it wasn't that expensive either since it was the Xbox 360 add on.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 11, 2007, 07:55:14 PM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
speaking of HD extras, If you ever look into it almost all the extras on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are actually direct DVD copies their not even in HD.
Yes that is a stupid trend that I hope they axe. They did it with The Matrix Trilogy for HD-DVD, the extras and even Animatrix were all 480p.
Post by: Ceric on June 12, 2007, 07:01:39 AM
I still say the biggest reason the new HD formats wouldn't catch on is that it doesn't save the user physical space like DVD's did.
Post by: Adrock on June 12, 2007, 07:23:45 AM
For games, DVD doesn't seem to be holding 360 back. Factor in better compression techniques and it becomes even less of an issue. To replace DVD, there needs to be a good enough reason to replace it. Right now, I don't see any.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 12, 2007, 08:56:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
There isn't a huge difference between DVD and either HD formats. With DVD, you got significantly better picture that doesn't downgrade over time, chapter skipping, menus, special features and so on. Just so much more than VHS. With Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, you have better picture granted you have an HDTV. Maybe I won't need multiple discs for TV shows. That's just not enough for me to adopt a new format.
For games, DVD doesn't seem to be holding 360 back. Factor in better compression techniques and it becomes even less of an issue. To replace DVD, there needs to be a good enough reason to replace it. Right now, I don't see any.
Well if the creator of MGS4 is to be believed, he can't put MGS4 on Xbox 360 because of storage restraints. In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding.
Post by: Arbok on June 12, 2007, 09:38:44 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding
...ly weak for a format trying to take the place of an established one, especially compared to past examples of this happening like Super 8 vs. VHS and then VHS vs. DVD. ;-)
The format will find its niche, much like Laserdiscs did, but I can't find myself interested in it... especially seeing as how the more obscure titles, especially Japanese cinema, is going to pass it by.
Post by: Kairon on June 12, 2007, 11:49:10 AM
In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding
...ly expensive. Why should I spend $400+ (not including the cost of an HDTV) to gain the privelege of rebuying my entire DVD collection and risking having another laserdisc on my hands? Think of all the games I could buy instead!
Post by: Arbok on June 12, 2007, 12:52:24 PM
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Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding
...ly expensive.
Copycat
Post by: ShyGuy on June 12, 2007, 01:14:52 PM
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In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding.
..ly minimal unless you are on a 42 inch widescreen or larger.
I want in on the meme too!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 12, 2007, 02:03:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Q]Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding
...ly expensive. Why should I spend $400+ (not including the cost of an HDTV) to gain the privelege of rebuying my entire DVD collection and risking having another laserdisc on my hands? Think of all the games I could buy instead!
It is only 200$ if you get the Xbox 360 one.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 12, 2007, 02:03:33 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuyQuote
In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding.
..ly minimal unless you are on a 42 inch widescreen or larger.
I want in on the meme too!
I have a 42 inch plasma screen.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 12, 2007, 02:03:36 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuyQuote
In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding.
..ly minimal unless you are on a 42 inch widescreen or larger.
I want in on the meme too!
I have a 42 inch plasma screen.
Post by: Kairon on June 12, 2007, 02:08:41 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Kairon
Q]Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding
...ly expensive. Why should I spend $400+ (not including the cost of an HDTV) to gain the privelege of rebuying my entire DVD collection and risking having another laserdisc on my hands? Think of all the games I could buy instead!
It is only 200$ if you get the Xbox 360 one.
Okay, $600 then.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 12, 2007, 02:10:56 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 12, 2007, 02:12:30 PM
Post by: Adrock on June 12, 2007, 06:34:34 PM
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Well if the creator of MGS4 is to be believed, he can't put MGS4 on Xbox 360 because of storage restraints.
Hahahaha... motherf*cking Raiden, yo. Hideo Kojima is never to be believed.
And I realize that the difference in picture quality is noticeable. I just don't think it's enough to justify the adoption of a new format.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 12, 2007, 08:13:53 PM
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Originally posted by: AdrockQuote
Well if the creator of MGS4 is to be believed, he can't put MGS4 on Xbox 360 because of storage restraints.
Hahahaha... motherf*cking Raiden, yo. Hideo Kojima is never to be believed.
And I realize that the difference in picture quality is noticeable. I just don't think it's enough to justify the adoption of a new format.
Let me put it this way, it is 200$ if you have an Xbox 360 so it isn't that huge of a risk. Planet Earth alone made it worth the purchase for me, it was absolutely gorgeous!
Post by: BigJim on June 13, 2007, 01:54:05 AM
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...to gain the privelege of rebuying my entire DVD collection...
::smack:: You don't need to replace existing DVDs. The HD players play them fine.
Post by: Ceric on June 13, 2007, 03:29:41 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuyQuote
In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding.
..ly minimal unless you are on a 42 inch widescreen or larger.
I want in on the meme too!
What are you guys talking about. I have a 26 inch HDTV and there is a night and day difference between Standard and HD content still.
Post by: EasyCure on June 13, 2007, 06:05:37 AM
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“It’s a pretty common misconception that High Velocity Bowling is Sony’s “answer” to Wii Sports Bowling. We came up with the idea of using the SIXAXIS controller for bowling on August 23rd, 2006…While we weren’t surprised by the inclusion of bowling in Wii Sports a month later, we knew that we were taking it a step further once that game launched.”
If it isnt meant to be Sony's "answer" to Wii Sports Bowling, then why defend it as such? personally i dont think that controller would be comfortable (or capable for that matter) to match the controlls of Wiis bowling offering.
i dont see this being a system seller or anything so really all this does is allow naive consumers to have more to compare to the wii, and with the wii being such a hot item right now any comparison to wii is a good thing because its following a fad. for fanboys, it provides flame fodder.
Post by: stevey on June 13, 2007, 07:23:52 AM
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he can't put MGS4 on Xbox 360 because of money hat restraints...
Fixed! There's nothing stopping him, beside a money hat, from making MGS4 either a 2 (dvd) disk game, the first HD dvd game, or just cutting down the cut sence down to <5 min and porting it to the 360.
Post by: Ceric on June 13, 2007, 09:11:58 AM
j/k
Post by: Deguello on June 13, 2007, 11:07:17 AM
Almost conveniently so.
Post by: Kairon on June 13, 2007, 11:25:33 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJimQuote
...to gain the privelege of rebuying my entire DVD collection...
::smack:: You don't need to replace existing DVDs. The HD players play them fine.
Shhhhh. You're interfering with me spreading some good 'ol F.U.D.
I can believe that if I already have the TV and XBox 360 (that's about $1000 of investment at least), a $200 addition for crispier pictures is appealing. But the truth is I'd rather spend that money on content... i.e. games or DVDs for systems I already own. The truth is I own a combo VHS/DVD player because I still like my VHS tapes.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 13, 2007, 11:40:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I can believe that if I already have the TV and XBox 360 (that's about $1000 of investment at least), a $200 addition for crispier pictures is appealing. But the truth is I'd rather spend that money on content... i.e. games or DVDs for systems I already own. The truth is I own a combo VHS/DVD player because I still like my VHS tapes.
Hells yeah! The VCR on my combo system broke, and now I'm using my grandparents' crappy old one and seriously considering getting a new VCR...or combo if that's what it takes.
Post by: Kairon on June 13, 2007, 11:52:03 AM
*snuggles Saturday Morning Godzilla tapes from Childhood and his weird VCR tape of Akira where everyone saounds like they're talking through a fan (hee-e--e-e-e-y, Kane-e-e-e-e-e-e-da!), and his family's homemovies which had title screens and title music designed in Mario Paint*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 14, 2007, 05:22:55 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 14, 2007, 07:10:20 AM
Though I probably SHOULD create digital back-ups of my Star Wars 10th anniversary VHS tapes. If/when those give out I don't know WHAT I'll do.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 14, 2007, 10:46:34 AM
To make it more next-gen, add lots and lots of Bloom, so it actually looks even more grainy. That will show people that you really do hardcore High-def.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on June 14, 2007, 03:48:53 PM
"- Sony revealed that they received over 300,000 preorders for its upcoming PS3 title Minna no Golf 5 [HotShot Golf 5], the game will be released in Japan on July 26, 2007."
Well, I guess it isn't dead yet
Post by: capamerica on June 14, 2007, 06:53:32 PM
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Originally posted by: MLS_man_64
Crud, saw this on Media Create.
"- Sony revealed that they received over 300,000 preorders for its upcoming PS3 title Minna no Golf 5 [HotShot Golf 5], the game will be released in Japan on July 26, 2007."
Well, I guess it isn't dead yet
Thats 300,000 preorders by the STORE, Not actual people.
This is just more Sony spin to try and make the PS3 look more like a hit. If you read the artical carefully all they are saying is that retail outlets have placed orders for 300,000 copies of the game. This would be like saying Wal-Mart has ordered 300,000 copies of the game for their store. This does Not mean that 300,000 copies have been sold to the consumer. For all we know 3/4th of that 300,000 could be in the bargin bin in a couple months.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 14, 2007, 11:11:47 PM
I don't think that PS3 golf game will sell as well as Sony is spinning it.
Post by: IceCold on June 15, 2007, 06:53:30 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 17, 2007, 10:12:16 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on June 18, 2007, 05:14:48 AM
Post by: EasyCure on June 18, 2007, 06:18:37 AM
ps3 emergency price cut? (in Europe)
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"The [PS3 price cut] is what we are studying at the moment. That's what we are trying to refine."
Post by: that Baby guy on June 20, 2007, 09:11:45 PM
http://kotaku.com/gaming/we-shall-double-our-efforts/sony-promises-380-ps3-games-by-march-08-270847.php
I don't believe it. If this promise is broken, I expect major fall-out, but I don't see how it could be done.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2007, 09:40:59 PM
As for the other 200 boxed games, they must be splitting up all the territories and counting the region specific games separately.
Post by: Ceric on June 21, 2007, 04:27:32 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2007, 06:30:51 AM
And 5/6 games a week starting in July for the PSN games.
That would mean that they have to come out with 11/12 games every week combined "boxed/online" and that just seems like an overload. You know half of those are gonna have to be absolute crap, and 2/3rd's of them will most likely go ignored.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 21, 2007, 07:00:15 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2007, 07:37:03 AM
I don't think they'll uphold that release schedule anyway, atleast not with "boxed" games. You can dump whatever content you want in the online space and it will be there indefinately, but they won't let it sit forever on a store shelf.
Post by: Adrock on June 21, 2007, 08:03:08 AM
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Sony has now promised 380 games for the PS3 by March 08.
Maybe. Just maybe that'll happen. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
Post by: Ceric on June 21, 2007, 09:53:39 AM
Post by: nickmitch on June 21, 2007, 10:59:28 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2007, 11:17:24 AM
QuoteTaking that into account Sony still has to come up with 360 games by March '08
Originally posted by: TVman
Does this include already released titles?
Post by: Arbok on June 21, 2007, 11:25:52 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 21, 2007, 07:03:32 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 21, 2007, 07:26:55 PM
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Sony has promised PlayStation 3 owners that at least 145 titles are on the way to the US, which includes approximately 40 PSN titles and more than 105 boxed games.
The clarification follows Sony Computer Entertainment president Kaz Hirai's recent statement promising 380 titles within the fiscal year ending March 2008.
According to an SCEA spokesman, Hirai was citing international figures.
Post by: Requiem on June 21, 2007, 07:49:16 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 21, 2007, 08:31:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Sweet Sweet Clarification.Quote
Sony has promised PlayStation 3 owners that at least 145 titles are on the way to the US, which includes approximately 40 PSN titles and more than 105 boxed games.
The clarification follows Sony Computer Entertainment president Kaz Hirai's recent statement promising 380 titles within the fiscal year ending March 2008.
According to an SCEA spokesman, Hirai was citing international figures.
And we trust Sony why?
Post by: Kairon on June 21, 2007, 08:48:58 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 21, 2007, 11:06:54 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 22, 2007, 06:05:01 AM
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But who is gonna buy them? It sound like a disaster waiting to happen. Why re/publish so much if most of it is just gonna get overlooked in the shuffle?
Well, we are talking about Sony. I recall that they managed to make the PSP look like it had far more games than it really did by flooding out a bunch of UMD movies. So someone would walk into a store and see the DS library, and then next to it they would see the (seemingly) huge PSP library of cool looking games, but a closer inspection would reveal those were actually movies.
Sony is sneaky like that and I wouldn't put it past them to flood out a bunch of crap PS3 games just to make their library look larger than the compeition.
Post by: SixthAngel on June 22, 2007, 04:18:18 PM
Post by: nickmitch on June 22, 2007, 04:32:51 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1QuoteTaking that into account Sony still has to come up with 360 games by March '08
Originally posted by: TVman
Does this include already released titles?
I was just checking, not because that'd make it possible, but it'd be slightly less impossible.
Post by: nickmitch on June 25, 2007, 08:13:41 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 25, 2007, 08:25:53 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 25, 2007, 08:26:16 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 08:39:45 AM
NONE of those games will be from SE.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 25, 2007, 09:27:06 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 09:33:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
I believe 75 of these games are Dynasty Warriors. That makes the remainder to be divided up between Tom Clancy and EA Sports.
Actually you are wrong it will be Pac Man, Pac Man Jr., Pac Man Sr., Pac Man Step-Sister, Pac Man In-Bred Bill, and more great Pac Man games.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 25, 2007, 09:36:19 AM
They're deep in R&D to increase boob size in Soul Calibur 4, and they're still trying to recover from the cancellation of Frame City Killer.
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 10:00:05 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
I believe 75 of these games are Dynasty Warriors. That makes the remainder to be divided up between Tom Clancy and EA Sports.
Actually you are wrong it will be Pac Man, Pac Man Jr., Pac Man Sr., Pac Man Step-Sister, Pac Man In-Bred Bill, and more great Pac Man games.
Better than Mario goes to Space, Mario plays soccer, Mario plays boardgames, Mario plays paper(gets beaten by scissors)...
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Post by: denjet78 on June 25, 2007, 01:24:45 PM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
ha ha lol, pac man love simulator
I don't even want to know how that's going to work...
I read the entire thread that that last pick was posted from and everyone seems to think that SE is just holding XIII back until there's a larger PS3 market. I mean, yeah that could be the reason but Sony's going to be in a world of hurt if they can't manage to turn sales around this holiday season, and then maintain it afterwards. There's no way they'd be pushing the game back because of the astronomical costs and difficulties of developing a game for the PS3. Or because the Wii has already taken Japan with near certainty this generation, and by a wide margin as well. They wouldn't be, you know, cutting the budget or staff for the game because they've realized that there's a fair chance it's going to tank no matter what kind of effort they put into it.
Yep. They're just waiting for the PS3 to take off, which is won't do until XIII comes out most likely. But if they wait too long they're going to end up cutting themselves off at the knees and release the game for a system most people consider dead. If Sony can get sales up that won't happen... That's a big "if" though. And a very delicate balancing act for SE.
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 06:18:18 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 25, 2007, 06:48:11 PM
On so many levels it is beginning to appear that the PS3 = Sony's N64
Post by: denjet78 on June 25, 2007, 06:53:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
No realtime footage for XIII has been shown. As per my fanboi rights, I hold out hope for a Wiiport.
Has anything at all been said about the game since E3? I don't keep up with anything but Nintendo news any longer. There's no need to dig up dirt to slam Sony and MS with when Nintendo's already burying them alive.
A port would be okay. It would absolutely kill PS3 for certain. What I think would be better though would be a really good showing for Crystal Bearers on Wii with a lackluster showing of XIII on PS3. That would all but certainly show where SE's real interests are. Sony can keep the main FF line for all I care. I haven't liked it since VII anyway. I just want some actual GOOD games from SE again. Chrono would be cool. A REAL SoM sequal would be the best I think. How about the next Ogre Battle?
There are just so many possibilities.
Besides, I read somewhere that they're trying to make the battles play out like the battles in Advent Children... How in the hell do they expect you to be able to control a game like that? It couldn't be turn based because of the near constant action. But controlling a game in real time with battles like that would be nigh impossible. And again we see that SE is still more interested in making movies than in making games.
Ugh...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 07:00:05 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 07:11:37 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
As far as I'm concerned FFXIII is vaporware until something substantial comes out on it (But hey at least some CGI footage was shown unlike OTHER games ::Looks at Sadness:
Post by: Urkel on June 25, 2007, 07:18:06 PM
It will no doubt have some stunning visuals, but will it still be good enough to justify a $600 pricetag?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 07:20:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Urkel
It's going to be fun seeing how the graphic whores react when (if?) the first realtime footage of FF13 is revealed and ends up being a significant downgrade from the CGI video, like Lair and Heavenly Sword.
It will no doubt have some stunning visuals, but will it still be good enough to justify a $600 pricetag?
The sad truth is that PS3 is already outdone by PCs in the visual department, so anything would be a visual downgrade (Especially compared to something like Crysis).
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 07:23:10 PM
Post by: Adrock on June 25, 2007, 07:27:48 PM
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Kairon wrote:
No realtime footage for XIII has been shown. As per my fanboi rights, I hold out hope for a Wiiport.
If you look at the trailer closely, they show some of the battle menus. You can tell kind of tell that its not all CG (Lightning's hair gives it away). Not much, but it's something. Not that I'd mind FFXIII on Wii....
I think FFXII will find its way to Wii. Why put the sequel on DS? And I don't think Nintendo would mind, especially if they got the Japan only International Zodiac Job System version to be a Wii exclusive worldwide release. I also feel that if a FFVII remake is made this generation, it'll be on Wii.
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This reminds me of that FF game that was announced for the N64 back in 95 or 96 or something and some pictures were released, but it never materialized and was canceled and Square put everything on PS from that point on. Have the tables now turned, and will we eventually see this PS3 title be canceled and moved to Wii and/or 360 instead?
Ah, Square just made some 3D models of FFVI characters. I remember at least Locke and Terra. I believe they showed that at Spaceworld 1995 when N64 was revealed. Who knows exactly when they decided to develop FFVII to PS1.
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 07:33:46 PM
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Kairon wrote:
No realtime footage for XIII has been shown. As per my fanboi rights, I hold out hope for a Wiiport.
*AHEM*
Post by: KDR_11k on June 25, 2007, 08:11:15 PM
I wouldn't be sure about that, it could have been a mockup made in a 3d app or even a in-engine mockup (i.e. the frames were rendered in the engine but never at that speed). Until we see it rendered in realtime on the target hardware it's about as meaningful as a concept drawing.
Post by: Mashiro on June 25, 2007, 09:02:05 PM
Read over the development section, apparently their 'white engine' is practically built around the PS3's cell processor.
"The White Engine reportedly uses 4 of the 6 developer-available synergistic processing elements (SPEs) of the Cell processor to achieve near-pre-rendered CGI quality in realtime."
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 09:14:04 PM
Blargh I'm an internet fanboi.
If it's true that the game was switched to PS3 as long ago as May 2005, then they're simply waaaaay too far along in development to switch, unless they multiplatform to 360 and PC (Core Duo, double Core duo!!!).
Here's hoping for a quickly developed Wii XIII "spinoff" though, taking advantage of a quick dev time and re-using last-gen expertise to come out sometime in late 2008...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 09:18:10 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII
Read over the development section, apparently their 'white engine' is practically built around the PS3's cell processor.
"The White Engine reportedly uses 4 of the 6 developer-available synergistic processing elements (SPEs) of the Cell processor to achieve near-pre-rendered CGI quality in realtime."
Call me a pessimist but I don't care what reports say about development, it still is basically vapor ware until we see more! Come to think of it I am creating a squid vs shark vs mermaid MMORPG for PS3 and it is using the Blue Engine. You want to see actual screenshots of the gameplay? Geesh why do you need to see that? All you need to know is that it is basically built around the PS3 hardware and uses 5 of 6 developer-available synergistic processing elements!
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Post by: Mashiro on June 25, 2007, 09:47:37 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII
Read over the development section, apparently their 'white engine' is practically built around the PS3's cell processor.
"The White Engine reportedly uses 4 of the 6 developer-available synergistic processing elements (SPEs) of the Cell processor to achieve near-pre-rendered CGI quality in realtime."
Call me a pessimist but I don't care what reports say about development, it still is basically vapor ware until we see more! Come to think of it I am creating a squid vs shark vs mermaid MMORPG for PS3 and it is using the Blue Engine. You want to see actual screenshots of the gameplay? Geesh why do you need to see that? All you need to know is that it is basically built around the PS3 hardware and uses 5 of 6 developer-available synergistic processing elements!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvyHcBzetrk
Sorry but the battle sequence seems like they got the battle engine and real time graphics going to some extent, seems pretty real to me.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 25, 2007, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 26, 2007, 12:53:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII
Read over the development section, apparently their 'white engine' is practically built around the PS3's cell processor.
"The White Engine reportedly uses 4 of the 6 developer-available synergistic processing elements (SPEs) of the Cell processor to achieve near-pre-rendered CGI quality in realtime."
Most likely bullshit since the SPEs are nowhere near the performance of the GPU and would only slow the graphics down.
Post by: Ceric on June 26, 2007, 02:10:59 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 26, 2007, 02:34:34 AM
Ok, I am tired of this blend of modern technology and then the use of swords and magic in battle. It made sense in Star Wars, because it wasn't a sword...but in the Final Fantasy universes it just seems odd.
There was nothing in that video that was special. It was like hey haven't I seen this all before in another Final Fantasy game? Yes. Yes I did.
Post by: Mashiro on June 26, 2007, 06:14:19 AM
The last, non-tactics FF game I played was 7. While it was really good I still didn't get sucked into the series as a whole.
Post by: Adrock on June 26, 2007, 09:23:00 AM
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Could they port the latest version of FF XII with all the bonuses? *ducks*
Stop stealing my suggestions.
But yes, I do think this is entirely possible especially given how much SquareEnix likes making money for minimal work. How many versions of Final Fantasy I are there?
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There was nothing in that video that was special. It was like hey haven't I seen this all before in another Final Fantasy game? Yes. Yes I did.
You could say the same about most sequels. Twilight Princess didn't break much new ground, especially for a Zelda title, but it was still a kickass game. The battle sequence segment of the FFXIII trailer looked interesting. If Lightning can perform those moves in real time (not menu-based, or at least not entirely), it'd certainly be different from other FF titles.... well, enough to pique my interests anyway. Otherwise, I can't really be bothered with a game on a console I can't afford.
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But yes, I do think this is entirely possible especially given how much SquareEnix likes making money for minimal work. How many versions of Final Fantasy I are there?
That's not fair. I'm constantly amazed by how much work Square Enix seems to WANT to do. Heck, they REMAKE entire games when they rerelease them. They don't just rerelease the game in as original (and faithful) a format they can (like Nintendo is apt to), they instead INSIST on remaking (read: "ruining" the nostalgia factor in) entire games, like doing FF3 and FF4 in 3D, or adding 3D cut scenes (UGH!!!) to FF6 when they rereleased it on the PS.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 27, 2007, 01:32:16 PM
I'm suddenly getting the feeling that the comments on this blog are entirely fabricated over time, and that everyone sees their own comments, but no one else's, except for the plants. I smell another dirty, dirty trick, though I could be wrong.
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 27, 2007, 02:03:10 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 27, 2007, 02:06:37 PM
Try posting something, and see what happens, then maybe taking a screenshot and posting it here. I think this website is almost certainly an entire scam, and not just a spin machine.
Post by: Kairon on June 27, 2007, 02:16:23 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 27, 2007, 02:23:34 PM
Edit: Nope, it's still there.
Post by: nickmitch on June 27, 2007, 02:36:39 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 27, 2007, 02:44:23 PM
If it's on the same page I linked to, it certainly isn't there. Can you see my comment?
Post by: Mashiro on June 27, 2007, 03:08:28 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 27, 2007, 03:12:46 PM
Post by: nickmitch on June 27, 2007, 03:15:06 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 27, 2007, 03:22:14 PM
For comparison, a clip of what I see now.
Post by: Mashiro on June 27, 2007, 03:45:35 PM
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Post by: that Baby guy on June 27, 2007, 04:01:45 PM
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9. I don’t get it….
How can you get bored of someone who is fustrating you? >.>
Comment by salavaster — June 28, 2007 @ 3:30 am
Does my comment show up for anyone, now? I don't see TVman's, still, and the homepage now says that there are eight comments, instead of nine, while before it said there were seven comments, instead of eight.
Post by: nickmitch on June 27, 2007, 04:08:10 PM
Edit: I can't see thatguy's comment. This is definitive proof that Sony falsifies blog comments as well as blogs.
Post by: Urkel on June 27, 2007, 05:00:11 PM
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Hello Mark. You weren’t censored. When you post a response on this blog you’ll see it, but it then goes into moderation before anyone else can see it. You have our full blessing to suggest we resemble fat cartoon characters sporting half bald/half long combo hair.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 27, 2007, 05:11:01 PM
However, until someone else actually sees my comments on the site, I will believe that they posted that particular comment as part of a cover up. Why would they randomly post one thing at 3:30 AM whatever time zone they are in, when there are at least two other comments out there waiting to be posted about that story? I still say something is fishier than SOny would like us to know, and I think they really are blocking almost all of the comments on the site, at least, if not only posting their own comments, including some false answers to create a false truth about the site.
Post by: Kairon on June 27, 2007, 06:13:59 PM
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Post by: Ceric on June 28, 2007, 02:28:21 AM
Post by: EasyCure on June 28, 2007, 05:13:17 AM
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So if it isn’t a “..,bona fide Playstation advert,” what is it? Did Sony still create it? Who paid to have it published? I must assume this thing didn’t just pop out of thin air and appear in Indian magazines.
Post by: Mashiro on June 28, 2007, 05:57:25 AM
ThreeSpeach comic ftw: http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070627.jpg
I also love the closing line on their main page blog (http://www.penny-arcade.com/):
"With the compact E3 about to begin, the tactical nature of the conflict will become more brutal. People get even nastier when they're vying for second place than when they're fighting for first. When you're playing for scraps - and rest assured, dear readers, that you and I are the scraps - you have to get all of them to make it work. Nintendo has simply skipped the first phase - building the brand with us - and jumped straight to the mainstream play. It's worked flawlessly. And it's made their competitors increasingly uncomfortable."
So true.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 28, 2007, 06:44:24 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 28, 2007, 06:59:58 AM
N-tards and X-bots can be so cruel sometimes.
Post by: UERD on July 03, 2007, 11:00:26 AM
"Customers are highly overrated! PLAYSTATION is in a class by itself!"
Post by: Arbok on July 03, 2007, 11:20:32 AM
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Sony’s in a tough spot, but by adopting a strategy of more product placement, won’t it just turn off the very customers the company’s trying to woo?
Their PR has been so bad already, at this stage they might figure the userbase they have isn't going to leave for anything... and that it might be time to milk it.
...or they still just don't understand how easily information travels over the net (even despite their spyware CD fiasco), and how, in this case, those that would read this article are the one's who will care about the issue the most.
Post by: Kairon on July 05, 2007, 11:52:18 AM
Read.
Now wait a second... July 12? Isn't that a thursday? Isn't that at E3? Isn't that a day after Sony's E3 conference?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 05, 2007, 12:01:09 PM
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BTW, $100 price drop on July 12.
Read.
Now wait a second... July 12? Isn't that a thursday? Isn't that at E3? Isn't that a day after Sony's E3 conference?
Booo, now I may actually have to buy a PS3.
Post by: Kairon on July 05, 2007, 12:04:24 PM
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Post by: BigJim on July 05, 2007, 12:43:24 PM
Being on the market for a 2nd console, in my money-blowing, self-justifying mind I see that as $250 for a console and $250 for a very good BRD player, which looks like it may be the format winner. So it's pretty interesting now...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 05, 2007, 01:07:41 PM
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$500 is still friggin' expensive, but that's a good drop.
Being on the market for a 2nd console, in my money-blowing, self-justifying mind I see that as $250 for a console and $250 for a very good BRD player, which looks like it may be the format winner. So it's pretty interesting now...
Not sure how good the BRD player is, but still that kind of logic is what killed PS3 in the first place "Oh but look at what a great deal you get, you get a BRD player no one wants and a game system!".
Post by: Kairon on July 05, 2007, 01:21:08 PM
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I quiver at the thought of all the VC games $500 could buy.
*AHEM*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 05, 2007, 01:24:33 PM
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I quiver at the thought of all the VC games $500 could buy.
*AHEM*
Who are you? I don't recognize you or your points.
Post by: BigJim on July 05, 2007, 01:27:53 PM
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Not sure how good the BRD player is, but still that kind of logic is what killed PS3 in the first place "Oh but look at what a great deal you get, you get a BRD player no one wants and a game system!".
Reviews from the tech sites say the PS3 is one of the best BRD players. And it also apparently upscales DVDs very well too, with the latest firmware.
As I said, I don't speak for anybody else. I just happen to be on the market for an HD player and another console at some point this year, so it's a viable choice.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 05, 2007, 01:36:01 PM
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Not sure how good the BRD player is, but still that kind of logic is what killed PS3 in the first place "Oh but look at what a great deal you get, you get a BRD player no one wants and a game system!".
Reviews from the tech sites say the PS3 is one of the best BRD players. And it also apparently upscales DVDs very well too, with the latest firmware.
As I said, I don't speak for anybody else. I just happen to be on the market for an HD player and another console at some point this year, so it's a viable choice.
Get Xbox 360 and HD-DVD player, you not only get great games but a great HD DVD player!
Post by: UERD on July 05, 2007, 03:05:08 PM
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Reviews from the tech sites say the PS3 is one of the best BRD players.
Isn't it also one of the cheapest as well? There's no way Sony's not going to be selling these things at a loss for at least a while.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 05, 2007, 04:02:47 PM
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Reviews from the tech sites say the PS3 is one of the best BRD players.
Isn't it also one of the cheapest as well? There's no way Sony's not going to be selling these things at a loss for at least a while.
I believe there is one out or one coming out that will be in the 300$ price range that is superior to the PS3's.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 05, 2007, 05:33:06 PM
Post by: BigJim on July 05, 2007, 05:50:31 PM
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Get Xbox 360 and HD-DVD player, you not only get great games but a great HD DVD player!
That's an option, but at the moment it looks like BRD has the edge. Standalone HD-DVD players are going to snake their way down to $200 before too long also. We'll have to see if that helps them recapture the market or not.
Quite the number of confusing options right now.
It's funny... MS has good software and crappy hardware. Sony has good hardware and crappy software. But I guess that shouldn't be a surprise considering who they are.Quote
Isn't it also one of the cheapest as well? There's no way Sony's not going to be selling these things at a loss for at least a while.
Yep it was the cheapest for a while. Sony's 2nd generation model was just released for $500. There are some older models (not as good) for around that price or a bit less now too.
Post by: Adrock on July 05, 2007, 06:02:47 PM
If you're talking about Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, then bah, they both suck!
Post by: Requiem on July 05, 2007, 07:09:30 PM
I don't see this doing much in Japan. Maybe Europe though....
Post by: BigJim on July 06, 2007, 02:55:58 AM
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Sony has good hardware? I thought everyone and their mother was complaining about how Cell is so complicated to work on and how the GPU sucks compared to 360's.
I meant from a quality assurance standpoint.
There haven't been any particularly widespread QA issues with PS3 thus far. But yeah, it is a beast to work with.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 06, 2007, 04:54:47 AM
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Sony has good hardware? I thought everyone and their mother was complaining about how Cell is so complicated to work on and how the GPU sucks compared to 360's.
I meant from a quality assurance standpoint.
Actually I am not sure what kind of QA PS3 has, the sales have been pretty poor for the most part and there may not be a large enough sample size to clearly state one way or another.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on July 06, 2007, 05:40:12 AM
Post by: vudu on July 06, 2007, 07:06:44 AM
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Actually I am not sure what kind of QA PS3 has, the sales have been pretty poor for the most part and there may not be a large enough sample size to clearly state one way or another.
That made me laugh. Bravo!
Post by: Kairon on July 06, 2007, 08:28:50 AM
Post by: BigJim on July 06, 2007, 09:50:05 AM
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Actually I am not sure what kind of QA PS3 has, the sales have been pretty poor for the most part and there may not be a large enough sample size to clearly state one way or another.
What Kairon said.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 08, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
Sony announced their new PS3 pricing structure
499.99 - 60GB PS3
599.99 - 80GB PS3 w/ Motorstorm bundle (available august)
Post by: Mashiro on July 08, 2007, 07:14:13 PM
Post by: capamerica on July 08, 2007, 07:20:26 PM
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http://kotaku.com/gaming/we.re-slashing-prices/sony-confirms-ps3-price+cut-80gb-bundle-276091.php
Sony announced their new PS3 pricing structure
499.99 - 60GB PS3
599.99 - 80GB PS3 w/ Motorstorm bundle (available august)
This is pretty lame, How can anyone realy call this a price drop. We had a $500 PS3 and no one bought it, They freaken DROPED the 20GB model cause no one wanted it, all they did was just turn the 60GB into the new 20GB, no one is going to want the 60GB version any more now that we have the 80GB version.
This s a dumb move by Sony, moving the 60GB model in the place of the 20GB won't help push any more units. Now if the PS3 had a real price drop and dropped to $400 I think that would help move systems.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 08, 2007, 07:24:04 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 08, 2007, 08:27:51 PM
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Well to the oblivious people they are going to think the new 600 package is a good deal since all sony did is pretty much throw in a slightly bigger SATA(thats not even as big as the 360 elite HDD) with a 60 dollar game that people thought is ho-hum.
I may be wrong, but can't you upgrade the PS3 Harddrive? So that makes this deal even more stupid, though I am happy to see the 100$ price drop for the system but this is, once again, going to push consumers away because the 600$ one will be seen as the "good" one.
Post by: Kairon on July 08, 2007, 08:35:12 PM
GGAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!
WHY SONY WHY!?!??!?!?!?! WE NEED YOU TO DISTRACT MS!!! FHWHDANDDAJFOIDAFMDKQNAFOQKLDW
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 08, 2007, 08:38:26 PM
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Yeah, I think the PS3 harddrive can be replaced.
GGAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!
WHY SONY WHY!?!??!?!?!?! WE NEED YOU TO DISTRACT MS!!! FHWHDANDDAJFOIDAFMDKQNAFOQKLDW
Am I the only one that visualizes Sony's marketing department including a bunch of monkeys with a roulette wheel?
::Sony CEO walks in::
What should we do today chimp 1
::Spins Wheel::
"Price drop and no price drop at the same time? Sounds good to me!"
"How should we do this?"
::wheel spins::
"Oh IC lets include 1 game and bump up the HD a whole 20gbs. Brilliant"
"Now what game should we include?"
::Wheel Spins::
"Golly it says Motorstorm. I would have thought Resistance: Fall of Man"
::Chimp screeches and jumps around::
"Well motorstorm it is then, you are the brains behind this operation"
"Ah what is this? You want me to reward me with a banana. Thanks chimp 1, I knew the media was wrong about us, we KNOW what we are doing"
::Chimp jumps up and down happily::
Post by: Kairon on July 08, 2007, 08:40:36 PM
Also, I've heard some people speculating that the 80 gig model will do away with the EE chip and use software emulation for back-compat.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 08, 2007, 09:00:26 PM
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MS has GOT to be spiking their water. I can't... I can't... UGH.
Also, I've heard some people speculating that the 80 gig model will do away with the EE chip and use software emulation for back-compat.
You know that still ticks me off, about the loss of the EE chip. That was a good feature even if it had some hiccups in games not working but to take it out completely and use emulation makes the problem 50xs worse. I'm still a bit bitter with MS for seemingly giving up on backwards compatibility.
Post by: Ceric on July 09, 2007, 01:46:59 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 09, 2007, 03:20:44 AM
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Well to the oblivious people they are going to think the new 600 package is a good deal since all sony did is pretty much throw in a slightly bigger SATA(thats not even as big as the 360 elite HDD) with a 60 dollar game that people thought is ho-hum.
I may be wrong, but can't you upgrade the PS3 Harddrive? So that makes this deal even more stupid, though I am happy to see the 100$ price drop for the system but this is, once again, going to push consumers away because the 600$ one will be seen as the "good" one.
Yes that is correct all you need is a SATA (Serial ATA) harddrive with a RPM rating that matches whatever Sony put in, SATA are the smaller 2.5" Harddrives that are typically used on laptops, and a screw driver since the harddrive bay is held by a mini phillips head screw.
This shows how the process is done.
I would get a PS3 if the new pricing hasn't effected the buy a PS3 get a free game of your choice from a indy gamestore I go to.
Post by: BigJim on July 09, 2007, 04:46:26 AM
This nets them $80+ easily.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 09, 2007, 06:31:22 AM
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http://kotaku.com/gaming/we.re-slashing-prices/sony-confirms-ps3-price+cut-80gb-bundle-276091.php
Sony announced their new PS3 pricing structure
499.99 - 60GB PS3
599.99 - 80GB PS3 w/ Motorstorm bundle (available august)
Sony doesn't get it. Performance isn't the issue, and increasing the hard drive size accomplshes nothing. The price is the problem.
Should be cutting features instead, such as blu-ray. A blu-ray free PS3 for 200-300 dollars less would solve their problems.
Post by: BigJim on July 09, 2007, 06:46:57 AM
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Should be cutting features instead, such as blu-ray. A blu-ray free PS3 for 200-300 dollars less would solve their problems.
That would make their problem infinitely worse. The BRD drive doesn't cost that much, for one. And just eliminating it means they'd need to entirely start over from scratch this generation, recall and replace all systems, recall, re-develop and replace all games on the market, as well as redo all games in development. The PS3 as it is would retail for $300 before they could even recover from the cluster-f associated with that alternative.
Post by: Ceric on July 09, 2007, 07:22:54 AM
Getting rid off all unneeded peripheral ports.
Getting Rid of the Harddrive and going with SD Cards or external.
Those two things would be a lot easier to pull off then pulling Blu-Ray.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 09, 2007, 08:29:38 AM
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I agree with BigJim. I'm going to say this even though it sounds ridiculous but Sony could probably lower the complexity and still enable most features by:
Getting rid off all unneeded peripheral ports.
Getting Rid of the Harddrive and going with SD Cards or external.
Those two things would be a lot easier to pull off then pulling Blu-Ray.
Well USB ports are cheap to begin with and so are SD/Memory stick and whatever memory card ports sony put in. Ceric unfortunately theres one problem with getting rid of the harddrive: some/most PS3 games INSTALL themselves on the harddrive to reduce loading times or to completely cut all loading times and the installs do take up a good 500MB - 5GB so sony would be clustering their PS3 market just as how sony is accusing microsoft of doing with the Core/Premium 360 situation. The most expensive thing on the PS3 is the cell processor itself and probably the GPU and I doubt sony would want to take those two things out.
Post by: BigJim on July 09, 2007, 09:18:11 AM
The HDD definitely costs a chunk too, but they're fairly commoditized at this point and won't likely change much in price. Since removing it isn't really an option, they have to deal with it as a permanant part of the price.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 09, 2007, 10:01:32 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 09, 2007, 10:30:31 AM
They need to pimp on the box the pack-in games, the free downloadable online betas, Home, the built-in easy wifi connection that will make connecting to the net a snap. They need to make consumers think that this box isn't just CAPABLE of doing everything, they need to make consumers think that this box DOES do everything, right there, right on the spot, everything-included, turn it on have fun and be blown away.
They need the PS3 to NOT be the complete piece of hardware, but the complete PACKAGE.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 09, 2007, 10:50:51 AM
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They need to hit on value, but not in the technology way. They need to hit on value in the content way.
They need to pimp on the box the pack-in games, the free downloadable online betas, Home, the built-in easy wifi connection that will make connecting to the net a snap. They need to make consumers think that this box isn't just CAPABLE of doing everything, they need to make consumers think that this box DOES do everything, right there, right on the spot, everything-included, turn it on have fun and be blown away.
They need the PS3 to NOT be the complete piece of hardware, but the complete PACKAGE.
You are right, but that does not seem to be the route Sony is taking. Let's face it the emphasis of the PS3 has always been its technology, even more so than its games. That defiantely needs to change before anything happens!
Post by: Mashiro on July 09, 2007, 10:53:36 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 09, 2007, 11:15:16 AM
Well now that 499.99 60GB PS3 got a little more attractive.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 09, 2007, 11:21:44 AM
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Sony will just have to learn the hard way. That way will be falling from the top much like Nintendo did. History does indeed repeat itself =)
Do you remember last E3? Basically their whole press conference was about how amazing the GPU was. This mentality HAS to change or Sony will not get out of their hole.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 09, 2007, 11:23:56 AM
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Nintendo will sell 1 million Wiis for every E3 attendee that ran past Sony's booth last year.
LOL.
Post by: that Baby guy on July 09, 2007, 11:38:22 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 09, 2007, 11:54:26 AM
Post by: BigJim on July 09, 2007, 12:36:35 PM
Then I adjust my numbers a bit... That SKU probably nets them $90+ towards cutting costs. The bonuses are mostly superficial that don't add very much to the actual cost of manufacturing, and the EE cut is an outright savings.
I admit... I bit the bullet and ordered the $500 SKU from Amazon. I also got Resistance, the blu-ray remote, and A Christmas Story on BRD. I don't know why, but there was an extra $24.99 deducted from the price at checkout (effectively making the remote free). So that was a nice surprise.
Plus, there is the coupon for 5 free Blu-ray movies this summer. The list isn't that good, but they're free.
Still freaking pricey as all get out, though.
Edit: Oh yeah, and I ordered an HDMI cable for $7 shipped from monoprice.com.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 09, 2007, 02:34:45 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
EE is gone in the 80GB SKU?
Then I adjust my numbers a bit... That SKU probably nets them $90+ towards cutting costs. The bonuses are mostly superficial that don't add very much to the actual cost of manufacturing, and the EE cut is an outright savings.
I admit... I bit the bullet and ordered the $500 SKU from Amazon. I also got Resistance, the blu-ray remote, and A Christmas Story on BRD. I don't know why, but there was an extra $24.99 deducted from the price at checkout (effectively making the remote free). So that was a nice surprise.
Plus, there is the coupon for 5 free Blu-ray movies this summer. The list isn't that good, but they're free.
Still freaking pricey as all get out, though.
Edit: Oh yeah, and I ordered an HDMI cable for $7 shipped from monoprice.com.
Hope your blu-ray player doesn't burn out, which is why I will NEVER use my PS3 for Blu-Ray movies because of the wear and tear it puts on it (as with every other game system with DVD playback).
Post by: capamerica on July 09, 2007, 02:36:21 PM
Sony made the PS3 hard drive upgradeable yet no one is actually thinking about it. =/
Post by: capamerica on July 09, 2007, 02:41:02 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Hope your blu-ray player doesn't burn out, which is why I will NEVER use my PS3 for Blu-Ray movies because of the wear and tear it puts on it (as with every other game system with DVD playback).
I would be more worried about Blu-Ray disc rot then the player getting burnt out.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 09, 2007, 02:48:02 PM
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Should be cutting features instead, such as blu-ray. A blu-ray free PS3 for 200-300 dollars less would solve their problems.
That would make their problem infinitely worse. The BRD drive doesn't cost that much, for one. And just eliminating it means they'd need to entirely start over from scratch this generation, recall and replace all systems, recall, re-develop and replace all games on the market, as well as redo all games in development. The PS3 as it is would retail for $300 before they could even recover from the cluster-f associated with that alternative.
I don't think that would be that big of a problem at all. The PS3 systems already out there can read regular DVD movies and CDs, can't they? They can play PS2 games, can't they? If they can read DVD media right now then all they need is a firmware upgrade for the PS3 to become a DVD video game console rather than (or in addition to) being a blu-ray game console.
They wouldn't have to recall or replace anything because a firmware upgrade could make the transition possible. Maybe they'd want to recall the current blu-ray games that are in stores and replace them with DVD alternatives because the Blu-ray free PS3s couldn't handle them, but for people who already own a blu-ray enabled PS3 it wouldn't really matter since they can play it as normal.
As for the games in development, this would be a trivial issue. Dvd or Blu-ray is just a storage medium, and the software doesn't really care which one it is on. Just like any other data doesn't care if it is on a CD or DVD... it reads from it just the same. Storage space might be an issue, but are there really any games out now that need more than 4.7gb of storage? Probably not many, and any that need to could be broken up into multiple discs.
So again, I think Sony really should make the Blu-ray aspect of the PS3 optional. A premium model could offer that capability for movies, but for people only looking for a gaming console they should have a far cheaper DVD model. Better yet, they could also offer an optional blu-ray drive add-on just like the 360 has a HD add-on. Nice for movies, but not really essential for video games.
Post by: EasyCure on July 09, 2007, 03:50:43 PM
Post by: BigJim on July 09, 2007, 04:59:01 PM
Having incompatible SKUs of games and consoles out in the wild IS a huge problem. Recalling and replacing dozens of products is also a huge problem.
Not all software is medium agnostic. Games are engineered to BRD specs including loading times, access times, etc. There is no simple "compress and make it work on DVD" fix. They would have to re-call, re-code, re-test, re-manufacture, and re-ship.
That you downplay the immense cost of all that puzzling. Not to mention the horrendous PR and business damage it would do with developers and gamers.
Not an option, and pretty much irrelevant because a BRD-less system does not a $300 console make. I guarantee you it'd still be over $400 even after today's price drop.
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You bought A Christmas Story on BRD..?
Yep! Jealous?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 09, 2007, 05:47:57 PM
Post by: BigJim on July 09, 2007, 08:24:07 PM
I don't know the whole timetable of the bill of materials of BRDs, but according to a number of tech news outlets, blu-ray diodes have cost around only $8 in bulk since May, after ramping production to 1.7 mil/month in April. They're also prepping to beef it up to 5 mil/month before too long. That price doesn't include the entire drive (which supposedly cost something like $125-$150 before the diode supply improved), but at least as of now costs are better and will be improving more from here on out.
So in a nutshell this is why stripping BRD now isn't a good choice. The BRD cost will fix itself with much less damage than re-manufacturing products. The CPU and GPU are going to be the biggest contributors to the price, and only time and die shrinks are going to help that.
The 360's upcoming 65nm die shrinks, for example, will cut the manufacturing costs roughly in half on those parts. That'll be Sony's next big break too.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 09, 2007, 10:06:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
SATA are the smaller 2.5" Harddrives that are typically used on laptops
Bull. SATA is the connector, the harddrive size is independent of that. I have a 3.5" SATA drive in my PC. Conversely you can get 2.5" drives that use IDE.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 10, 2007, 07:07:25 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 10, 2007, 07:25:24 AM
It's funny/scary how many of the failures and victories we are seeing right now are caused by business decisions made two, three or even more years ago:
Sony: We'll use Playstation as a trojan horse for all our latest, greatest technologies!
Result: A high-priced games console that includes a bunch of features that not everyone wants.
MS: We must beat Sony no matter what!
Result: Xbox 360 hardware suffers various defects because it was rushed to market and (possibly) uses cheap parts.
Nintendo: We need to get out of this race with Sony and Microsoft. Let's make a console for moms!
Result: Wii sells extremely well to "non-gamers", but some traditional games suffer so-so sales and third parties aren't sure what to make of it.
Post by: Mikintosh on July 10, 2007, 08:47:52 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Nintendo: We need to get out of this race with Sony and Microsoft. Let's make a console for moms!
Result: Wii sells extremely well to "non-gamers", but some traditional games suffer so-so sales and third parties aren't sure what to make of it.
If we're talking about Zelda, its sales were only slightly hampered by the fact that it was "traditional"; the other Zelda games did not come out at launch and so had an established console base when they were released and also didn't have to compete with another system launch (PS3). And I think Madden 07 showed that 3rd party games can be established quitely nicely on the Wii. Didn't Red Steel sell well, regardless of the reviews?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 10, 2007, 03:36:27 PM
Post by: stevey on July 10, 2007, 04:02:11 PM
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If we're talking about Zelda, its sales were only slightly hampered by the fact that it was "traditional"; the other Zelda games did not come out at launch and so had an established console base when they were released
Not true, Zelda 1 (in japan) launch as the flagship title for the Famicom disk system and was the best selling Zelda in japan.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on July 11, 2007, 07:06:45 AM
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14638
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Post by: Adrock on July 11, 2007, 07:16:15 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 11, 2007, 07:59:03 PM
Post by: Adrock on July 11, 2007, 08:11:45 PM
The way I see it, if 360 beats out PS3, Microsoft wouldn't have beaten Sony, Sony beat Sony, just like Sony didn't beat Nintendo, Nintendo mostly did that to themselves. As long as Nintendo stays smart, I think Microsoft will have a hard time taking Nintendo down.
Post by: Kairon on July 11, 2007, 08:17:39 PM
Post by: Urkel on July 11, 2007, 08:27:36 PM
I think at worst MS will end up being a Sega-esque rival to Nintendo. (Old Sega, not New Stupid Sega)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 11, 2007, 08:31:24 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 11, 2007, 09:31:16 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 11, 2007, 09:41:29 PM
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The ONLY thing I don't like about MS is that it can throw its money around and just buy gaming content. That has me a little worried but outside of that the Wii and 360 are so different from one another it doesn't really matter all that much. Maybe next gen if MS really starts ripping of Nintendo then I will be more worried but for now I like the position Nintendo is in.
Thing is that Sony has been known to throw money around as well. It is just part of business, kind of like what EA does all the time!
Post by: Mashiro on July 11, 2007, 10:00:16 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 12, 2007, 05:58:01 AM
Ultimately, Wii has so much momentum right now that I think only Nintendo could screw it up. Microsoft could repackage the Core as a Wii-killer with motion control, $250 price tag and all tomorrow, and it would still have to overcome Nintendo's headstarts in brand recognition and casual software development.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 12, 2007, 09:42:44 AM
Even if MS forces Sony out and captures 90% of the market, Nintendo will still be around doing what they've always done and generating profit even with less marketshare.
With success comes arrogance. This was Napoleon's undoing, it was Hitler's undoing, it was Nintendo's undoing, and now it is Sony's undoing... one day it will be Microsoft's undoing as well.
Why worry about it? I'm more worried about Microsoft installinng chips into people's brains and controlling them with their proprietary sofftware than anything, lol. Look at Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri and how the Morganites goal is to get everyone nerve stapled. That's what we need to worry about from MS.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 12, 2007, 09:51:31 AM
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I'm not that worried about MS anymore. After all their talk about reaching casual gamers, they gave us what? Viva Pinata Party and Scene-It. As good as Microsoft is at bullying people on its PC software "home turf", Xbox and Zune both appear to be huge failures compared to the leading products, and the way things are going, Wii is set to clobber Xbox 360 as well.
Ultimately, Wii has so much momentum right now that I think only Nintendo could screw it up. Microsoft could repackage the Core as a Wii-killer with motion control, $250 price tag and all tomorrow, and it would still have to overcome Nintendo's headstarts in brand recognition and casual software development.
Yeah. Nintendo has the initiative and their competitors are a few steps behind. Sony has a long history of copying Nintendo's ideas and innovations, but the problem with this strategy is Sony will always be behind Nintendo and have to catch up.
By the time Sony and Microsoft are able to counter Nintendo's Wii-mote idea Nintendo may be doing something different by that point. In any battle the ones with initiative have the advantage, but it has to be handled properly. Nintendo has their opponents stunned, but hopefully they can follow through and not wait for them to recover and adapt.
Post by: Kairon on July 12, 2007, 11:24:29 PM
From the Kaz himself at 1:44 into the video.
Also, this is from David Reeves, the president of SCEE:
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"All they're doing is taking their stock in trade that they've got at the moment of the 60GB model, marking the price down and it will all be gone by the end of July."
Most temporary price cut ever?
Post by: Mashiro on July 12, 2007, 11:36:23 PM
Sony deserves to fail horribly at this point.
I mean seriously watching him say that you have to think "is this guy going to get fired? who made this decision? what is going on at Sony!?"
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Sony: Ok guys we know our biggest problem with PS3 is its price...so here is a 100 dollar price cut, but here is also a new model with a better HD for the same price as the last top model.
People: Oh...ok...well I guess the 60 GB model is still good $499 is better than paying $599.
Sony: Yeah but get those fast because the 80 GB model is the only one we are producing now.
People: Wait...what?
Sony: Dude we know what we're doing. We're Sony! Nintendo is a fad and MS is stupid. Did you see Kill Zone 2? man killer app.
People: . . .
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 13, 2007, 12:27:08 AM
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We've just interviewed Sony Entertainment Europe boss David Reese, and when asked about why we won't have a 80GB PS3 in Europe, he had this to say:
"The difference between 80GB and 60GB is very small. We feel that going up 20GB is not worth it, [but] if we're going to double it it's worth it. So you maybe you'll see something a little bit later, but 60 and 80.. really not much [of a] difference."
The plot thickens!
Watch the interview here, plus the announcement of the new bundle that'll hit Europe now: http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2007/07/13/506117.html
I see this news going over really well in Europe, and especially the U.S. where people are stuck with the 80GB that is apparently "not worth it".
Post by: Mashiro on July 13, 2007, 12:35:41 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 13, 2007, 01:54:56 AM
Post by: UERD on July 13, 2007, 02:04:34 AM
Sony Draws Yawns
"If the best Sony has to offer is a Darth Vader-branded PlayStation Portable, it may be in trouble", according to Forbes magazine.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 13, 2007, 04:38:27 AM
Well, it is savings for them, but not for the consumers. It would be better to have the EE ship than a hard drive with an extra 20gb.... however, the intelligence of some Sony supporters I've talked to online leads me to believe they'll eat this up.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 13, 2007, 06:17:10 AM
For the time being, how could Sony have handled this situation better? Should Sony have told everyone this was temporary up front? Should it just have phased the 60GB units out at the existing price? I think some people would have paid $600 just knowing the Emotion Engine was going, but I guess they should be happy that Sony gave them a slight deal.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on July 13, 2007, 06:47:20 AM
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14683
Funniest title ever!
Post by: BigJim on July 13, 2007, 07:08:07 AM
But I don't think the 60GB model is going to be sold out in just 2 weeks. If sales vs. shipment numbers to date are to be believed, even if sales magically doubled at a constant rate, there would still good a supply in the channel for a while. I REALLY doubt the sku will be gone that quickly.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 13, 2007, 08:19:51 AM
BTW, does the 20gb have the EE chip in it? If so, it would make a good bargain if it is about $399 or whatever... someone can always add a bigger hard drive to it later on.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 13, 2007, 07:13:06 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 13, 2007, 07:47:13 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on July 13, 2007, 08:13:28 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 13, 2007, 10:20:34 PM
Post by: stevey on July 16, 2007, 02:59:54 PM
ROFL
Post by: Mashiro on July 16, 2007, 03:04:26 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Mircosoft: sony is "failing" in japan
ROFL
Wow . . . lol best news ever from MS.
Hey Microsoft how are 360 sales in Japan?
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- Here are the latest Japanese console hardware sales for the week of July 2 - 8, 2007:
NDS Lite - 139,271 [4,108,498] units
Wii - 75,279 [2,030,031] units
PSP - 32,946 [1,116,093] units
PlayStation 2 - 14,120 [434,493] units
PlayStation 3 - 12,691 [505,622] units
Xbox 360 - 2,370 [120,953] units
GB Micro - 340 [22,116] units
GBA SP - 261 [18,900] units
GameCube - 174 [8,593] units
NDS - 15 [2,306] units
GBA - 0 [749] units
That good huh?
Edit: Oh wait maybe they mean software?
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- Here are the latest Japanese console software sales for the week of July 2 - 8, 2007:
Zelda no Densetsu: Mugen no Sunadokei (NDS, Nintendo) - 75,000 [514,000] units
Chikasete! Chibi-Robo! (NDS, Nintendo) - 45,000 units
Super Robot Taisen Original Generations (PS2, Banpresto) - 43,000 [388,000] units
Miru Chikara o Jissen de Kitaeru: DS Ganryoku Training (NDS, Nintendo) - 42,000 [356,000] units
Wii Sports (Wii, Nintendo) - 33,000 [1,826,000] units
Itadaki Street DS (NDS, Square Enix) - 30,000 [239,000] units
Boku no Natsuyasumi 3 (PS3, Sony) - 29,000 units
Hajimete no Wii [Wii Play] (Wii, Nintendo) - 20,000 [1,465,000] units
Kawashima Ryuuta Kyouju Kanshuu: Motto Nouo Kitaeru Otona DS Training (NDS, Nintendo) - 19,000 [4,436,000] units
New Super Mario Bros. (NDS, Nintendo) - 18,000 [4,595,000] units
Wow you aren't even ON there Microsoft! But no you're right PS3 is doing bad in Japan, keep up the good work!
Post by: UERD on July 16, 2007, 03:08:38 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 16, 2007, 11:55:35 PM
In a recent interview with Jack Tretton, 1up.com asked why GTA IV wasn't shown duing their E3 conference. The sad answer comes to light:
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1UP: Why didn't you show Grand Theft Auto IV at your press conference? Why was it not there?
Tretton: Well, Dave [Karraker, Senior Director of Corporate Communications at Sony Computer Entertainment America], do you want to answer that? Dave was in control of the content.
Karraker: You want the real answer?
1UP: Can you give me both answers?
Tretton: [laughs]
Karraker: I'll give you the real answer. They didn't send us their video.
1UP: So it's not anything like "well, the game's been shown on Xbox 360..."
Karraker: We requested it. We sent an e--mail out to every publisher and said send us your videos that you want put in the press conference, and they never sent it. Not much more you can say about that.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 17, 2007, 05:09:39 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 17, 2007, 06:27:17 AM
Also I just got a PS3 because I wanted the EE chip, Blu-Ray, and Media streaming. Poor thing will probably never have a full game owned specifically for it. Rented but not owned.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 17, 2007, 06:32:47 AM
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Nah, They just needn't bother. The video would be already shown at the MS event and they had given them some developement money to boot.
Also I just got a PS3 because I wanted the EE chip, Blu-Ray, and Media streaming. Poor thing will probably never have a full game owned specifically for it. Rented but not owned.
You mean you don't want to play Resistance Fall of Creativity or Ninja Gaiden Rehash 3?
Post by: Ceric on July 17, 2007, 07:36:31 AM
Oh GP I know your are big 360 advocate. I just wanted to reassure you that I'm just biding my time until the new revision comes and Too Human.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 17, 2007, 08:37:47 AM
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I'm ok with just playing the demos.
Oh GP I know your are big 360 advocate. I just wanted to reassure you that I'm just biding my time until the new revision comes and Too Human.
I really hope the game has improved from a year ago (which it probably has). Mass Effect by Bioware is looking great as well.
Post by: Adrock on July 17, 2007, 09:52:36 AM
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Post by: Mashiro on July 17, 2007, 07:00:31 PM
Post by: Ceric on July 18, 2007, 03:35:11 AM
Also Too Human is being developed, like Duke Nukem Forever, on the Fine Wine principle.
Though thats why I'm waiting on that system. I have to say streaming media from my Machine to the PS3 is a nice thing in my house.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 18, 2007, 08:58:34 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 18, 2007, 01:27:43 PM
Post by: capamerica on July 19, 2007, 11:24:01 AM
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Alright, so Konami's secret, poetic announcement turned out not to be Metal Gear Solid 4 for the Xbox 360. It turned out to be Silent Hill 5 (which is actually bigger news for some people). Still, a good rumor never dies (and a great rumor comes true). While the MGS4 360 rumor has yet to come true, a reliable tipster tells us that Official Xbox Magazine has taken it upon themselves to toss another log on the fire. In the most recent Rumor Mole section, OXM declares that a "bankable source" told them that Metal Gear Solid 4 is definitely coming to Xbox 360. The game is reportedly being ported by a separate team -- which isn't headed by Hideo Kojima -- and should ship "a few months" after the PS3 version.
Considering the ever-mounting rumors and Konami's own comments on the matter, it's starting to look like the only thing missing is an official announcement.
Post by: Mashiro on July 20, 2007, 03:41:59 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 20, 2007, 05:41:30 AM
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Sony and Nintendo Make Akiba Store Switcheroo
Thanks for linking to that story. I saw the pics earlier and had no idea what they were about since I don't read japanese.
That is some pretty good news.... for Nintendo
Post by: couchmonkey on July 20, 2007, 06:14:53 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 20, 2007, 06:39:33 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 20, 2007, 11:12:12 AM
Whether this is true or not is anyone's guess, but Sony fans buy it.
Post by: Kairon on July 20, 2007, 11:25:02 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 20, 2007, 11:46:39 AM
Capcom Unhappy with Sony Hardware Sales
Post by: Kairon on July 20, 2007, 12:16:26 PM
Post by: capamerica on July 20, 2007, 01:48:05 PM
Post by: Ceric on July 20, 2007, 02:05:47 PM
Post by: denjet78 on July 20, 2007, 07:21:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Global the 360 isn't doing bad par se. Though I am surprised by the PSP comment it really isn't doing to bad at all with all things considered.
Well, actually with all things considered, including all those predictions that it was going to completely blow Nintendo out of the handheld market, I'd say it's doing rather poorly. I don't care squat about anything else. Everyone talked up the XBox as if it were this massive coup last generation, even though it barely outsold the GC. Whereas Nintendo was seen as a colossal failure. I don't give a damn what kind of connotations or exceptions you want to tack on to it, the PSP is getting spanked by the DS and that is a fact. Being outsold 2 to 1 by a severally weaker competitor is simply appalling.
Post by: Kairon on July 20, 2007, 10:49:35 PM
Still, you have to give the PSP props. It's survived much longer than the GameGear.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 21, 2007, 01:31:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
PSP hardware install is fine. PSP software sales are... aside from one or two standout titles, not so hot.
Still, you have to give the PSP props. It's survived much longer than the GameGear.
True. The PSP has been far more successful in every respect than any other Non-Nintendo handheld to date, and that really says something. The Gamegear was the only other serious contender, and they've got them beat.
However, they didn't crush Nintendo's dominance of this market, and with the the way things are going it seems likely Nintendo will dominate the next handheld generation as well. Backwards support is the key.
Post by: capamerica on July 21, 2007, 03:04:26 AM
PSP came out in 2004 so it needs to be around till 2009 for it to have lived as long as the GameGear.
Post by: that Baby guy on July 21, 2007, 04:07:11 AM
The games were terrible. So was the battery life, but we bought a rechargeable battery for it. But seriously, terrible, terrible games.
Post by: Ceric on July 21, 2007, 05:16:39 AM
I'm just saying this late in the game and Sony not really offering something that is clearly distinct from the PS2 its doing ok.
Post by: capamerica on July 21, 2007, 06:01:28 PM
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SCEE president David Reeves says that this Christmas isn't necessarily the most critical one for Sony.
In an interview with semi-official Sony blog Three Speech, Reeves said: "I think each peak is crucial to maximise what you can do, but I don't think this Christmas is necessarily the most critical one - I think that's going to be Christmas 08."
"I see this more as kind of like a tsunami – it starts small and gathers speed, and eventually, after four or five years, it will start to take you over."
Looks like Sony already knows that they have lost this Christmas.
Post by: Mashiro on July 21, 2007, 06:29:20 PM
::shakes head::
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 21, 2007, 06:32:55 PM
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SCEE president David Reeves says that this Christmas isn't necessarily the most critical one for Sony.
In an interview with semi-official Sony blog Three Speech, Reeves said: "I think each peak is crucial to maximise what you can do, but I don't think this Christmas is necessarily the most critical one - I think that's going to be Christmas 08."
"I see this more as kind of like a tsunami – it starts small and gathers speed, and eventually, after four or five years, it will start to take you over."
Looks like Sony already knows that they have lost this Christmas.
No, you've got it all wrong, they didn't lose this Christmas, cause this Christmas doesn't count! Next Christmas is when they start playing for real!! Next Christmas is when it counts!!
Post by: Kairon on July 21, 2007, 06:44:51 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 21, 2007, 06:48:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
"Next-gen doesn't start until WE say so."
"The PS3 is so advanced that it is really NEXT next gen. Because of this PS3 has no true competitors, and thus we are really in 1st place."
Post by: oohhboy on July 21, 2007, 11:10:00 PM
Post by: Ceric on July 22, 2007, 04:17:17 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 22, 2007, 05:45:56 AM
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I guess he doesn't know how a tsunami works. He should have used "Snowball on a hot summers day".
"We are like the like the winter snow, and with every customer we get its like a snow ball that that keeps getting bigger, but the Wii is so HOT right now that it has melted most of the snow and our sales have evaporated into almost nothing. But you just wait, cause it has to rain again at some time, and when it does, we will make sure that it is all over the Wii's parade."
Post by: UERD on July 22, 2007, 09:47:10 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 22, 2007, 10:02:06 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 22, 2007, 10:41:13 AM
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"Playstation 3: Beyond . . . the need for any quality game"
lol
In my house as of now thats so true. I play the demos but in the end my PS3 is just a glorified PSX without DVR. I wish I would have been really able to get one of those. Though I don't regret getting it because what I have it doing for me saves a lot of hassle and its justifying its existence for now. I am looking forward to home if it will really let me stream media to the my shack and let others watch it. Though I think I would prefer if it was more like what MySim is turning out to be and I hope it lets me make hats. Now back to Odin Sphere.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 22, 2007, 07:58:05 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 22, 2007, 08:12:16 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 23, 2007, 12:33:35 AM
Don't take my word for it, take PSP fanboy's word for it!
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The upcoming PSP Lite will include a smaller battery for the smaller system. The battery that's included with the system will run for about 5 hours while gaming. However, if you have the battery from your original PSP, you'll be able to get 8-10 hours. The problem with this solution? The battery will bulge out of the system. Sony will offer a new backplate for those interested in adding the old battery to the new system.
WOW. Sony... just... WOW. I mean... GOD. You ended up putting an even WEAKER battery into your new PSP... wow...WOW...wow
To be fair, because the PSP slim uses less power, a standard slim will run the same length as a standard PSP... but you were telling us we'd have longer battery life! Not... longer battery life with an old PSP battery that we had to obtain ourselves and then use an ordered backplate for because it sticks out...
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 12:42:06 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 23, 2007, 01:52:55 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 02:03:30 AM
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July is not really a gamers' month unless you get a big, big title. So we thought if we reduced the price, we'd annoy a lot of people.
A reader response says it best:
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BY ROCKETFELLA AT 08:28 AM
I demand a way to give Sony more money.
Edit: well maybe this one days it best:
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BY ZENGAIJIN AT 09:00 AM
Sony without a DOUBT has THE WORST PR staff in the history of mankind.
They are trying to convince people paying less money is somehow bad.
That's is as Brilliant as it is idiotic.
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2007, 02:12:28 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 23, 2007, 02:29:45 AM
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Well at least we have confirmation why Europe isn't seeing a price drop:Quote
July is not really a gamers' month unless you get a big, big title. So we thought if we reduced the price, we'd annoy a lot of people.
A reader response says it best:Quote
BY ROCKETFELLA AT 08:28 AM
I demand a way to give Sony more money.
Edit: well maybe this one days it best:Quote
BY ZENGAIJIN AT 09:00 AM
Sony without a DOUBT has THE WORST PR staff in the history of mankind.
They are trying to convince people paying less money is somehow bad.
That's is as Brilliant as it is idiotic.
This post confuses me greatly. And I lack sleep.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on July 26, 2007, 03:57:54 PM
He commented in particular: "Unfortunately we backed a little bit on the wrong horse in focusing so much on PS3 and Xbox 360, and [by focusing] to a lesser degree on the Wii."
However, the EA CEO went on to say: "Let me assure you that almost all of us in the industry made the same judgment - after so many transitions guessing exactly right, we got this one a little bit wrong, and we're dealing with it now with strong investments on the Wii."
Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2007, 04:06:35 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 26, 2007, 04:06:49 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2007, 04:41:36 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 27, 2007, 08:17:22 AM
Post by: denjet78 on July 27, 2007, 05:06:10 PM
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Originally posted by: MLS_man_64
However, the EA CEO went on to say: "Let me assure you that almost all of us in the industry made the same judgment - after so many transitions guessing exactly right, we got this one a little bit wrong, and we're dealing with it now with strong investments on the Wii."
After so many transitions guessing exactly right? They mean ONE, right? I mean, the NES wasn't expected to take off at all. The SNES was being beaten by the Genesis for a while, but that's really only because the system had a year+ lead time. Everyone expected the N64 to storm the market. The only transition I'd say developers got right was jumping from the PSX to the PS2, and again that's really only because it had a year lead time. That and every other word Sony said about the system was an out and out lie that everyone gobbled up as if it were pure gold. Now they're acting as if they're so surprised that the PS3 isn't the biggest seller. As soon as I heard about the Wiimote I knew that neither Sony or MS could hold a candle to it. I just wasn't sure how the rest of the world would react.
Post by: Mashiro on July 27, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
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The only transition I'd say developers got right was jumping from the PSX to the PS2, and again that's really only because it had a year lead time.
::sighs:: Poor Dreamcast (came out before PS2, didn't even matter though poor thing died the second PS2 launched, insta console death).
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 28, 2007, 04:07:39 PM
Post by: stevey on July 31, 2007, 07:29:34 AM
Basically they want every ps3 & everything related to it destroyed and huge sacks of money.
Post by: EasyCure on July 31, 2007, 07:43:51 AM
just awesome
Post by: Mashiro on July 31, 2007, 07:47:15 AM
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I don't think [the price cut] is enough to reach the mass consumer, but I think it is enough to get it moving again, and it will move a little bit further, and they'll need to do it again and it will move a bit further.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 31, 2007, 08:56:48 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 31, 2007, 09:06:39 AM
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Post by: Mashiro on July 31, 2007, 05:06:47 PM
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We took a lot of heat at launch for including Blu-Ray in PS3. Now it looks like that investment is being justified.
Next generation games simply need more space on the disc to contain all that high definition content. Take a look at Lair, for example, already pushing 25GB of content, and that is a first-generation title. At 50GB storage capacity, Blu-Ray gives the PS3 plenty of headroom for developers to fully realize their visions well into the future.
Yeah it's not like lair got 5/10 from a magazine that tends to favor Sony or anything . . .
Dear Sony,
Technology =/= good games
Sincerely,
Gamers
Post by: Arbok on July 31, 2007, 05:59:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Well Sony is happy: After PGR4 Didn't Fit On DVD Sony Says Blu-Ray Was Totally Worth It
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Im sure more and more developers are going to start seeing this as a problem with storage space on DVD. MS will have to come out with a Blu-Ray add-on.
Lawl.
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If they're already hitting a ceiling with Xbox360 games due to the DVD format and its only over year old in it's life cycle- its hard to know what to expect from the system in the near future... I could guess a lot of developers maybe considering jumping ship.
Ah ha ha ha.
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you hear that Microsoft. it's called a sound, long term decision. you should've thought ahead.
Well I guess the PS3 fans need something to beat their chests about...
Post by: nickmitch on July 31, 2007, 06:17:05 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 31, 2007, 06:40:24 PM
Anyway, a good storage medium doesn't mean jack when your freaking console is so expensive noone can afford it and noone can be arsed to make games for it!
Moral of the story: Make Wii Games, then you don't need 25GB.
Post by: Mashiro on July 31, 2007, 06:46:50 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I recall stating that DVD would not be enough for next-gen but no, people here were claiming that it's just FMVs and bad design that makes games need more than one DVD and that games would never grow to eat more space...
Anyway, a good storage medium doesn't mean jack when your freaking console is so expensive noone can afford it and noone can be arsed to make games for it!
Moral of the story: Make Wii Games, then you don't need 25GB.
Exactly.
Also, format wars are something I like avoiding all together. Seriously blu-ray (or w/e next format will be the main stay for media) should be used on the 8th gen systems, not this current gen.
It's going to be extremely sad (well not really) when Sony PS3 gets destroyed by the next Xbox and Nintendo console. Sony's whole 10 year plan is absolutely absurd simply because technology evolves so fast that by the time MS's and Nintendos 8th gen consoles come out they will probably make PS3 look like a joke.
Post by: Arbok on July 31, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
It's going to be extremely sad (well not really) when Sony PS3 gets destroyed by the next Xbox and Nintendo console. Sony's whole 10 year plan is absolutely absurd simply because technology evolves so fast that by the time MS's and Nintendos 8th gen consoles come out they will probably make PS3 look like a joke.
It won't be a ten year console. Period. Sony made that comment expecting a PS2 like success story to strike twice, which isn't going to happen. They are continuing with the rhetoric because, let's face it, to suddenly say otherwise would be to admit they are in serious trouble... and even though everyone knows it, their PR has been spinning the whole thing non-stop regardless.
Post by: Mashiro on July 31, 2007, 06:52:18 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 31, 2007, 07:07:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Yeah that's true. Doesn't make it any less funny though.
Yeah but you are missing one vital component to the Sony plan. UPGRADEABLE HARDWARE!
Post by: Mashiro on July 31, 2007, 07:11:40 PM
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Post by: nickmitch on July 31, 2007, 07:36:04 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 01, 2007, 02:20:48 AM
Really, I see this lawsuit being thrown out, unless it is brought to a "special interest" judge that sides against Sony with no merit. But if this happens it will be appealed until Sony wins. So in the end, it is just a company either hoping to settle out of court for big bucks, or a company out to cripple Sony for some reason.
Post by: Ceric on August 01, 2007, 02:49:53 AM
Out of the two technology I still favor Blu-Ray because it has a better future then HD-DVD on a storage front. Also I mean of course the assets are going to get for an HD games. Your going from a what 640x480 picture to fill the screen to a 1920x1080 picture to fill the screen. I don't care who you are that takes more space. That being said companies are wary about going to two disc. It cost more to produce and since its a relatively specialized processes, compared to one dvd, it will surely cost a little more then just pressing 2 dvds. I think we'll see little things show up on games developed for the bigger medium from scratch because they'll never be that idea of needing to worry about space. Meaning you can do things like only lightly compress models and other assets, only compressed for read times of the drive. Though all this is a moot point until Blu-Ray Disc production increases making it cheaper.
Wrap Up: Publishers will pressure to keep it on one disc because of manufacturing costs. Now on the flip side of that 2 DVD's, with the extra labor, is probably still less expensive then a Blu-Ray disc but, that has the potential to rapidly drop.
Also on the ten-year thing I have two words one title: Neo-Geo. Its amazing what they did with that system.
Edit:
I found this article
Here is the Relevant quote
QuoteWhat do you guys think of this idea? I mean seriously do you think that people would go for the PSGimped at $400? Compared to the 360 Core you don't really need to buy anything to use it as a full PS3. You might have to string some network cable or buy a bridge. Besides that everything the 80 can do except wireless and media slots which isn't that big of a deal. (Personally would have rather had built in PS2 Memory Card slots on the bigger model.)
Vrignaud believes that a single USD 599 SKU will be untenable. He predicts that Sony will sell the announced 80GB PS3 for USD 499, but will also release a scaled-down 40GB PS3 for USD 399. The smaller system would eliminate the memory card slots and integrated WiFi as well as the backwards compatibility hardware.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 01, 2007, 03:40:18 AM
The patent squatting thing sucks. Tough for Sony, but I can't really blame them for this one.
Post by: Ceric on August 01, 2007, 03:46:17 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 01, 2007, 04:50:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I wonder if this lawsuit has any chance in hell on working? My gut says it does not, because the company is asking for way too much. What company asks for money and ALL products using their supposed technology destroyed? There is absolutely no reason to go that route unless you just want to damage or cripple Sony. After all, you could make so much more money by just asking for a portion of the profits.
Really, I see this lawsuit being thrown out, unless it is brought to a "special interest" judge that sides against Sony with no merit. But if this happens it will be appealed until Sony wins. So in the end, it is just a company either hoping to settle out of court for big bucks, or a company out to cripple Sony for some reason.
You generally ask for more than you expect to receive. Since there will be negotiations and compromises, offers and counteroffers, it would be foolish to start with a position you couldn't budge from.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 01, 2007, 05:04:42 AM
PartyBear: Yeah you are right about that, but to go with a crazy position like that could get you thrown out of court because your demand are unreasonable.
Texas court is interesting...perhaps they have stronger defense of patient laws.
Post by: Louieturkey on August 01, 2007, 06:31:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I know the Neo-Geo was nitch. I'm just really surprised the things they were able to pull off with such limited hardware by the end of its life. It was somewhat amazing. I could have used the PS2 but then we get into an unimportant debate. Just look of FFXII. I'm surprised that it runs smooth and that the PS2 can even do that. When push comes to shove developers can produce.
The reason why the Neo Geo could do what it did was because half of the hardware was actually in the game cart. The system was built with easy upgrading, where each game had a piece of the hardware built into it. It's similar to the FX chip in some SNES games. This is the reason why they could produce the same game on the Neo Geo as they did on the Dreamcast (Capcom vs SNK for example). This is the reason why the games cost around $200 a piece.
IMO I like this way of releasing games much more than the current system. If it wasn't for the fact that games would be so expensive, I would prefer it. There wouldn't be any need to upgrade the current hardware except for maybe once every 15 years rather than every 5, because the games would constantly get better.
Post by: Ceric on August 01, 2007, 10:42:55 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 01, 2007, 11:29:32 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 01, 2007, 02:32:37 PM
I would like the next generation to last around 6+ years.
I say the next generation, because this generation has brought the start of innovation with controls and emerging innovations with game interaction. I would like to see all console makers work towards this in their next systems and see what becomes of it. So next generation should be the merge of great graphics and great interaction and controls with games. It should be a new golden era of games that should last as long as possible.
Post by: Mashiro on August 01, 2007, 02:53:42 PM
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I say the next generation, because this generation has brought the start of innovation with controls and emerging innovations with game interaction. I would like to see all console makers work towards this in their next systems and see what becomes of it.
You . . . you do know that MS and Sony will just copy Nintendo right?
Post by: Kairon on August 01, 2007, 02:58:55 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 01, 2007, 03:08:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
No. They'll probably realize that they gotta do something more. I expect MS to innovate next gen.
Well Bill Gates doesn't even think the Wii exists so . . .
Post by: stevey on August 01, 2007, 03:29:29 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2007, 02:01:14 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 02, 2007, 02:32:33 AM
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I say the next generation, because this generation has brought the start of innovation with controls and emerging innovations with game interaction. I would like to see all console makers work towards this in their next systems and see what becomes of it.
You . . . you do know that MS and Sony will just copy Nintendo right?
Yes I believe Sony and Microsoft are analyzing what Nintendo did this generation and will be influenced heavily by the Wii when designing the console. But each will take something different from Nintendo's success and controller...and they will have to figure out a way around Nintendo's patients to create similar controllers, or perhaps they will go a crazy entirely new route.
Nintendo will obviously be working to truly advance their Wii controller concept, but will also focus on refining it, and making it smoother and more reliable.
Next generation will be a very interesting generation, as I believe it will one of the few generations that brings real innovation in gaming. The Wii is only a taste of what is to come.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 02, 2007, 07:58:38 AM
The comment prompted chuckles from the audience, but the real joke is on the industry, and it isn’t very funny."
ohohohohohoh OUCH
Post by: EasyCure on August 02, 2007, 09:09:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
No. They'll probably realize that they gotta do something more. I expect MS to innovate next gen.
Well Bill Gates doesn't even think the Wii exists so . . .
and if the wii doesnt exist, it wont be "copying" when the xbox720 has a wand-like controller. Kairon is right, MS will innovate next year but only in their own eyes
Post by: Ghisy on August 02, 2007, 09:47:02 AM
Now Microsoft will be able to "stupefy" his competitors.
Post by: Mashiro on August 04, 2007, 09:18:19 PM
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Enterbrain reported that Nintendo sold 396,752 units of Wii in Japan for the month of July, comparing to 91,987 units for PS3, which is 4 times more in the same period.
Source: The-MagicBox.com
Post by: Kairon on August 04, 2007, 09:24:22 PM
Now... how can we deal with that pesky MS...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 04, 2007, 09:26:41 PM
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Yeah... I think Japan is just about all wrapped up if next week the PS3 drops back to 14k sales levels.
Now... how can we deal with that pesky MS...
Thought MS was already dealt with in Japan?
Post by: Mashiro on August 04, 2007, 09:27:41 PM
Xbox 360 is a non-factor in Japan, it just can't gain ground there.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 06, 2007, 09:11:46 AM
Grand Theft Auto 4 is delayed until 2008.
So, with Grand Theft Auto 4 and Metal Gear Solid 4 in 2008, there is absolutely no real reason to own a PS3 this year.
Yeah, that may sound fanboyish...but really it is not.
The Xbox 360 as a very strong lineup into the winter that will encourage sales with its biggest being Halo 3 exclusive.
The Wii has a very strong lineup into the winter including over 6 exclusive games many of them first party games.
What does the PS3 have again?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 06, 2007, 09:25:00 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 06, 2007, 09:47:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
PS3 is the most powerful PS2 ever.
or Media Streamer
Post by: Mashiro on August 06, 2007, 10:16:05 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2007, 10:57:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Although it hurts Xbox 360 and PS3, I think this really needs to be posted here.
Grand Theft Auto 4 is delayed until 2008.
So, with Grand Theft Auto 4 and Metal Gear Solid 4 in 2008, there is absolutely no real reason to own a PS3 this year.
Yeah, that may sound fanboyish...but really it is not.
The Xbox 360 as a very strong lineup into the winter that will encourage sales with its biggest being Halo 3 exclusive.
The Wii has a very strong lineup into the winter including over 6 exclusive games many of them first party games.
What does the PS3 have again?
LIES ALL LIES. PS3 has Lair and Heavenly Sword, oh wait. Forget I said that.
Post by: UERD on August 06, 2007, 11:52:41 AM
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PS3 makes for a nice expensive door stop.
PS3 is the most technologically advanced doorstop ever.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 06, 2007, 11:57:49 AM
This beats going to the moon.
Post by: EasyCure on August 06, 2007, 02:20:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
A machine that stops doors (!)
Does it work on all doors? cuz i might just have to get a ps3 now to funk with those snobby revolving doors... They think they're too fancy to open up for me and try to rush me out... I'll show them!!!
Post by: Mashiro on August 06, 2007, 02:23:35 PM
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Originally posted by: EasyCureQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
A machine that stops doors (!)
Does it work on all doors? cuz i might just have to get a ps3 now to funk with those snobby revolving doors... They think they're too fancy to open up for me and try to rush me out... I'll show them!!!
Well only the PS3s with EE chips in them will stop revolving doors.
btw that was pretty funny haha. I hope one day you are victorious against those snobby revolving doors!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2007, 02:25:04 PM
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Originally posted by: EasyCureQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
A machine that stops doors (!)
Does it work on all doors? cuz i might just have to get a ps3 now to funk with those snobby revolving doors... They think they're too fancy to open up for me and try to rush me out... I'll show them!!!
Well only the PS3s with EE chips in them will stop revolving doors.
btw that was pretty funny haha. I hope one day you are victorious against those snobby revolving doors!
PS3 has lots of great demos.
Post by: EasyCure on August 06, 2007, 02:58:03 PM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
Originally posted by: EasyCureQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
A machine that stops doors (!)
Does it work on all doors? cuz i might just have to get a ps3 now to funk with those snobby revolving doors... They think they're too fancy to open up for me and try to rush me out... I'll show them!!!
Well only the PS3s with EE chips in them will stop revolving doors.
btw that was pretty funny haha. I hope one day you are victorious against those snobby revolving doors!
PS3 has lots of great demos.
So you're saying i can bore the doors to death?
i don't think i have all day to keep restarting the system though
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 09, 2007, 03:49:14 PM
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Post by: couchmonkey on August 16, 2007, 04:57:42 AM
I saw the beer article elsewhere, everyone knows it's a lame argument. What can ya do?
Post by: Arbok on August 16, 2007, 06:42:43 AM
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I saw the beer article elsewhere, everyone knows it's a lame argument. What can ya do?
Feel depressed at the fact that the majority of Kotaku readers seem to be tripping over themselves to compliment Sony for doing it?
Post by: stevey on August 16, 2007, 09:34:56 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
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RUMOR: Gamelabo reported that Sony's Afrika for PS3 will come packaged with a pressure and touch sensitive mat for input. The game will be released before Nintendo's Wii Fit.
Lawl.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 03:27:28 PM
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Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
RUMOR: Gamelabo reported that Sony's Afrika for PS3 will come packaged with a pressure and touch sensitive mat for input. The game will be released before Nintendo's Wii Fit.
Lawl.
Don't laugh at Afrika that was one of the reasons why I got a PS3! So who cares if it rips Nintendo off as long as it is fun!
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 16, 2007, 05:25:10 PM
Quoterunning from lions confirmed?
Originally posted by: MashiroQuote
RUMOR: Gamelabo reported that Sony's Afrika for PS3 will come packaged with a pressure and touch sensitive mat for input. The game will be released before Nintendo's Wii Fit.
Lawl.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on September 07, 2007, 03:20:42 PM
Yoichi Wada, president of Japanese publisher and developer Square Enix, has called for Sony to establish “an unwavering marketing strategy” for the PlayStation 3 with a series of implicit criticisms of the company’s marketing efforts to date.
As reported by the Reuters news agency, Wada told reporters that: “Sony first unveiled the PS3 as a mighty home electronics product. Then, after some badgering from game companies, it shifted the position of the console closer to a game machine.”
"[The future of the PS3] would be tough if its marketing strategy is not straightened up," he added.
excerpt from.....http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=15409
Post by: UERD on September 07, 2007, 03:35:39 PM
Ultimately, though, they're worried about the long-term prospects of their White Engine, which they're using for FF13. Maybe they should have stuck to UE3?...
Post by: BigJim on September 10, 2007, 09:49:38 AM
The article also suggests the 80GB model dropping to $499, which we heard before.
Could be possible. This holiday season will be pretty critical for everybody.
If it happens, "phooey" on those that jabbed at me for saying they'd drop the price to $399 by the end of 2008 out of necessity.
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Post by: UERD on September 13, 2007, 03:57:04 PM
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However, the most important function of the PS3 is the built-in Blu-ray disc player, which also reads DVD, CD and SACD, as well as embracing the new surround sound formats.
In response, some Sony exec says this:
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To receive an EISA Award is a very high honour in the electronics industry and therefore to receive one for a product that is usually thought of as simply a games machine, truly highlights the versatility and quality of PS3
Heh, heh...he said 'games'.
Post by: Ceric on September 13, 2007, 04:16:00 PM
I'm sure the 40 Gig will be another PSGimped. Then they'll sort of stick with that. Though the PSP is looking more attractive now with the Slim model out.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 19, 2007, 04:35:47 PM
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They were sued by a company called Immersion or something, and apparently settled.
They SAID it wouldn't work with motion control, are you saying Sony is a fat liar?
Post by: UERD on September 19, 2007, 05:04:44 PM
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Post by: MLS_man_64 on September 28, 2007, 03:14:32 PM
Sony #2 in hardware and #1 in software...
Microsoft #3 in hardware and #2 in software...
Am I getting this right? And why would an analyst make this prediction the week that Halo launches? To embarrass himself?
Link
Post by: denjet78 on September 29, 2007, 07:05:54 AM
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Originally posted by: MLS_man_64
Nintendo #1 in hardware and #3 in software...
Sony #2 in hardware and #1 in software...
Microsoft #3 in hardware and #2 in software...
Am I getting this right? And why would an analyst make this prediction the week that Halo launches? To embarrass himself?
Link
Well if an analyst says it it must be... Wait. Aren't these some of the same analysts who were, less than a year ago, foretelling the complete and utter failure of the Wii followed by Nintendo's inevitable shift into a 3rd party developer?
Analyst seems to be just another word for "don't believe a damn word I say unless it's already obscenely obvious that it's correct".
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 29, 2007, 07:59:42 AM
Post by: Ceric on September 29, 2007, 03:08:20 PM
Just my thoughts on all this.
*Note: When I say software I mean the revenue. As of right now its cheaper to develop for 360 then PS3 due to the complexities and tools available. Of course the Wii is cheapest of all.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 01, 2007, 08:04:16 AM
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Sony thinks supply is affecting the 3 and not price?
Talk about the biggest load of crap I've read. Sony will NEVER win this generation without admitting they are wrong and taking steps to correct it (In this case the price). I think it is kind of funny how they put themselves into the underdog list "Oh no Saturn got a head start, we were in such a bad position", "Oh no the Dreamcast was out before us, but at least we beat the odds!".
Post by: Arbok on October 01, 2007, 10:36:58 AM
...yeah, so someone want to remind me what occurred with the DC versus the PS2 again? I think that's the very definition of starting from a "position of strength"...
Anyway, the longer they try to ignore the problem, the worse it's going to get. Simple as that.
Post by: vudu on October 01, 2007, 10:42:56 AM
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Post by: Kairon on October 05, 2007, 05:32:37 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 05, 2007, 06:51:43 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 08, 2007, 10:06:56 AM
Sony guy explains that Euro ps3 early-adopters paid the high premium to get 6 months of unprecedented gaming before everyone else.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 08, 2007, 07:42:59 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 09, 2007, 07:12:23 AM
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Nintendo Wii should be compared with PlayStation 2 for the functionality, the experience, and the demographic it appeals to. Consumers in that space will compare between a PS2 and a Wii, not a Wii and a PS3--they're just completely different animals.
Full interview can be found here
Haha, this has to be the stupidest comment I've EVER heard from Sony. So they are basically saying the PS2 appeals to the same demographic as Wii? Is this supposed to be an insult?
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 09:07:37 AM
I don't even care anymore, I want MS and Nintendo to crush them so badly that they lose Billions of dollars and never ever make a console ever again. OR at the very least fire these idiots making these comments.
How many more stupid comments can they make? Seriously?
Post by: Kairon on October 09, 2007, 09:22:25 AM
Post by: vudu on October 09, 2007, 09:27:07 AM
QuoteNintendo
Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm afraid with MS. If Sony goes, what's to keep MS from abusing consoles just like they've abused the OS market?
Post by: capamerica on October 09, 2007, 09:30:55 AM
Once Sony is dead and gone they will most likely bow out of the console market and just release a Gamer Edition of Windows. It would be like Media Center just with the Xbox360 interface.
The only reason MS entered the market was to combat Sony cause they were moving into their turf.
I wrote about what will happen to MS once Sony is gone on my Live Journal awhile back:
http://cap-america.livejournal.com/43058.html
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 09, 2007, 09:32:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm afraid with MS. If Sony goes, what's to keep MS from abusing consoles just like they've abused the OS market?
Simple: Microsoft will never dominate Japan, so Nintendo will be able to continue as strong competition. But seriously, look how corrupted Sony got after they became the leader of the industry. I think I trust Microsoft now more than Sony with creating actual game systems and innovating the industry.
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 10:40:00 AM
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what's to keep MS from abusing consoles just like they've abused the OS market?
Nintendo =)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 09, 2007, 10:47:47 AM
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Post by: couchmonkey on October 09, 2007, 11:21:27 AM
Post by: silverwings07 on October 09, 2007, 11:38:30 AM
Would they tone down the graphics that titles like MGS and FF are known for and stay with the Wii (or Wii sequel) rather than moving to MS's next machine, which has a similar direction to Sony?
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 11:55:57 AM
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Nintendo could never stop an MS bulldozer.
I think Nintendo has proved it can with Wii wouldn't you agree?
Just because MS dominates the PC world with it's OS doesn't mean it can buy it's way into every market as the dominating force.
Just look at the Zune for example, couldn't even put a dent in iPod sales
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 09, 2007, 12:11:30 PM
Post by: UERD on October 09, 2007, 12:46:18 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 09, 2007, 01:09:49 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Why exactly is everyone fearing MS? Nintendo is the one to fear now with its piles of money.
Not anywhere near as much as Microsoft does. Heck, even Bill Gates has more money than the entire company!
Also, Nintendo is pretty much only into video games right now. MS runs its software on 100s of millions of computers around the world, and so it has a lot of power to potentially abuse.
Post by: Kairon on October 09, 2007, 01:12:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Chozo GhostQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Why exactly is everyone fearing MS? Nintendo is the one to fear now with its piles of money.
Not anywhere near as much as Microsoft does. Heck, even Bill Gates has more money than the entire company!
Also, Nintendo is pretty much only into video games right now. MS runs its software on 100s of millions of computers around the world, and so it has a lot of power to potentially abuse.
Not to mention a lot of extra resources and no-how to leverage if they wanted to. They're already the leader in console online gaming technology.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 09, 2007, 01:21:50 PM
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Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: Chozo GhostQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Why exactly is everyone fearing MS? Nintendo is the one to fear now with its piles of money.
Not anywhere near as much as Microsoft does. Heck, even Bill Gates has more money than the entire company!
Also, Nintendo is pretty much only into video games right now. MS runs its software on 100s of millions of computers around the world, and so it has a lot of power to potentially abuse.
Not to mention a lot of extra resources and no-how to leverage if they wanted to. They're already the leader in console online gaming technology.
Talk about sky is falling paranoia. Maybe they are leading because ::gasp:: they have a good console online infrastructure?
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 01:29:38 PM
I think . . . does that make any sense?
I may be wrong on this but I remember reading that somewhere . . . looking for source.
Post by: Kairon on October 09, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: Chozo GhostQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Why exactly is everyone fearing MS? Nintendo is the one to fear now with its piles of money.
Not anywhere near as much as Microsoft does. Heck, even Bill Gates has more money than the entire company!
Also, Nintendo is pretty much only into video games right now. MS runs its software on 100s of millions of computers around the world, and so it has a lot of power to potentially abuse.
Not to mention a lot of extra resources and no-how to leverage if they wanted to. They're already the leader in console online gaming technology.
Talk about sky is falling paranoia. Maybe they are leading because ::gasp:: they have a good console online infrastructure?
I don't understand. How is it paranoia to believe that MS has stuff that they're good at, stuff that they've been involved with at deeper levels of investment than Nintendo?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 09, 2007, 01:34:38 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: KaironQuote
Originally posted by: Chozo GhostQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Why exactly is everyone fearing MS? Nintendo is the one to fear now with its piles of money.
Not anywhere near as much as Microsoft does. Heck, even Bill Gates has more money than the entire company!
Also, Nintendo is pretty much only into video games right now. MS runs its software on 100s of millions of computers around the world, and so it has a lot of power to potentially abuse.
Not to mention a lot of extra resources and no-how to leverage if they wanted to. They're already the leader in console online gaming technology.
Talk about sky is falling paranoia. Maybe they are leading because ::gasp:: they have a good console online infrastructure?
I don't understand. How is it paranoia to believe that MS has stuff that they're good at, stuff that they've been involved with at deeper levels of investment than Nintendo?
It is paranoia to think they can just come in and dominate the game industry. They dominate the PC industry because they got in at exactly the right time, the gaming industry on the other hand is extremely competitive, especially console gaming. Personally I think Sony is far scarier because they have shown they could not handle dominating the market, and was starting to abuse it. So far Microsoft is an unknown, heck they aren't even really buying companies like EA has been.
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 01:39:46 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 09, 2007, 01:42:03 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 09, 2007, 04:24:49 PM
Sony is releasing a white PS3 w/ dualshock next month.
in japan. for nearly half the cost of the UK ps3 price.
Post by: Adrock on October 09, 2007, 04:51:58 PM
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Sony upset me because they have really been lazy from day 1, they haven't really innovated gaming at all, at least MS has tried to. I'd much rather have someone that tries to innovate rather then a "Let's copy everyone" company like Sony.
You're an idiot. What the hell do you call the Sixaxis?
Post by: UERD on October 09, 2007, 05:54:44 PM
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What the hell do you call the Sixaxis?
A crappy boondoggle that wrecked what was supposed to be one of three flagship games?
Post by: Mashiro on October 09, 2007, 06:22:08 PM
they then realized they couldn't do an original thing if their lives depended on it
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 09, 2007, 07:43:05 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 09, 2007, 08:18:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Shorty McNostril
I was under the impression that the eyetoy was a Sony original.
I was under the impression that Game Boy Camera was a Nintendo original.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 09, 2007, 08:40:41 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Shorty McNostril
I was under the impression that the eyetoy was a Sony original.
I was under the impression that Game Boy Camera was a Nintendo original.
I was under the impression that the invention of film and the Kodak Camera was a George Eastman original.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 09, 2007, 08:43:23 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuyQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Shorty McNostril
I was under the impression that the eyetoy was a Sony original.
I was under the impression that Game Boy Camera was a Nintendo original.
I was under the impression that the invention of film and the Kodak Camera was a George Eastman original.
I was under the impression that charades was created by Bobo the caveman.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 09, 2007, 08:55:50 PM
DERAILED
Post by: Shift Key on October 09, 2007, 11:33:36 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Why exactly is everyone fearing MS? Nintendo is the one to fear now with its threats of world domination.
Fixed because Nintendo has always had the money.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 10, 2007, 03:14:01 AM
In a bag
I'm useless
But not for long...
On topic: I have no doubt Microsoft would abuse its power if it came to dominate this industry...the whole idea is to control the living room. That said, Mashiro's got it right here: "do we honestly think SONY is the only thing holding back MS?" The company has thrown seven billion dollars into the industry so far, and while that may not be a big deal to MS, it isn't a little deal either, especially considering just how little progress they make. How much money will execs and shareholders tolerate throwing away until the big payoff comes?
More on topic: Can Sony actually sell PS3s entirely on Drake's Fortune and Ratchet and Clank this season?
Post by: Kairon on October 10, 2007, 04:07:17 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2007, 05:41:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Sony's originality peaked when they revealed the prototype boomerang controller . . .
they then realized they couldn't do an original thing if their lives depended on it
Rumor has it the boomerang controller concept was scrapped because early prototypes wouldn't return when you threw them. It was a design flaw, and we all know Sony won't tolerate design flaws in their products!
But we may see it released someday if they can get that design flaw ironed out...
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2007, 05:48:26 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Speaking of Cavemen, I finally saw that new Cave Man sitcom today.
DERAILED
How is that show, btw?
Hey, Cavemen discovered fire and the wheel so they definitely know how to innovate. This means that: Caveman intelligence > Sony intelligence
Maybe Sony should hire them for their R&D department?
Post by: MLS_man_64 on October 10, 2007, 06:01:32 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 10, 2007, 03:00:32 PM
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Originally posted by: MLS_man_64
Capcom: PS3 development costs pushed Monster Hunter 3 to Wii
It has finally begun...
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Post by: AgentV3 on October 19, 2007, 09:45:14 AM
This man has all the answers
To review: sales of PS3 games are lagging because people are playing their PS2 games on the console instead of buying new games, and that cutting off access to one of the largest game libraries in history by removing PS2 backwards compatibility from the 40GB PS3 will encourage gamers to instead by more PS3 games. He reasons that most people already have a PS2, so why would they need backwards compatibility in the PS3?
Here's why, Jack, pay close attention because this might get complicated: most people who own a PS2 are exited about upcoming PS3 games, games more than a year away. Stay with me here, now, if the PS3 can play PS2 games, then those people will go ahead and buy one in anticipation of those big games, and can use the machine to play their old library in the mean time. Still with me? Good. Now, and this is the important part, if these people cannot play their old games on the PS3, then they will wait on buying one until the good games come out, thus hampering PS3 hardware sales. The PS2's backwards compatibility with the PS1 did not hamper PS2 game sales, the same way the Wii's backwards compatibility with the Gamecube is not hurting it's game sales, and the XBOX360's backwards compatibility (and I use the term loosely) with the original XBOX is not hurting it's game sales.
All he's ensuring is PS2 owners are going to wait until either the price of the 80GB unit falls, or for some actual good games to come out that's worth buying the console for, and these are sales that Sony needs RIGHT NOW.
Post by: stevey on October 19, 2007, 01:52:51 PM
Post by: Mashiro on October 19, 2007, 01:59:39 PM
Sucks to be you Sony. /crotchchop
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 19, 2007, 02:02:10 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
AH! sony begging for mercy. Now it the time to stab them through their demonic hearts once and for all
How dare they leave Sony, this generation of gaming doesn't start until Sony says so, they are just waiting for the right time to say "It has started".
Post by: Mashiro on October 19, 2007, 02:10:44 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: stevey
AH! sony begging for mercy. Now it the time to stab them through their demonic hearts once and for all
How dare they leave Sony, this generation of gaming doesn't start until Sony says so, they are just waiting for the right time to say "It has started".
Lol <3 GP
Post by: BigJim on October 19, 2007, 07:29:07 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 19, 2007, 11:17:16 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
But.... the story is accompanied by a picture of a cute puppy. Please 3rd parties, don't abandon the puppy and make him cry.
Don't worry folks, that puppy has found a new home on Nintendo hardware (ie: Nintendogs).
Post by: matt oz on October 20, 2007, 07:01:49 AM
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on October 21, 2007, 12:23:58 AM
It doesn't matter how many nifty features it incorporates. I can't afford a PS3, and even if it laid golden eggs and Max Headroom greeted me in the menu, I still couldn't afford it. Whenever I tell that to a PS3 supporter, and they reply with "But, but, but...Blu-Ray!" it just drives me nuts. They just don't get the fact that it having Blu-Ray doesn't placate my landlord into lowering my rent. If that kind of pricepoint sets the market standard for future generations, I'll have to give up video games. And that's why I want the PS3 to fail.
Post by: The Sailerman on October 22, 2007, 02:22:53 PM
First of all, they didn't include rumble in the first version of the controller, denouncing rumble as a "last-gen feature," then later announce they're going to add it. With this kind of announcement, there's no way I'm going to purchase one until I get the real PS3 controller. At least when Nintendo realized they had problems with the Wii Remotes, they offered to send out better wrist straps and controller gloves.
Second, I'm unwilling to pay more than $400 for a game console. While the new 40 GB model is $400, they eliminated backwards compatibility altogether! I never had a PS2, so I want to be able to play some of the games I missed, like God of War and Metal Gear Solid 3. What happened to the PS3 being so much better than the 360 because of its "full backwards compatibility?" Now the only console that can claim that is Wii!
Ugh, at this rate I won't be buying a PS3 at all. I was leaning more towards purchasing a 360 anyway (though it's not like I can really afford either at the moment).
Post by: MLS_man_64 on October 22, 2007, 04:38:05 PM
Farrell also lay blame on Unreal Engine as causing a number of key PlayStation 3 title delays, including its PS3 port of Frontlines. While the Xbox 360 and PC versions are still expected to ship on time, with a demo due in December, "Unreal Engine difficulties" have put the PS3 version "a couple to three months behind."
A low installed base and development difficulties were causing the publisher to re-think its plans for PS3 support, Farrell said.
Post by: Mashiro on October 22, 2007, 05:07:32 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 23, 2007, 06:45:31 AM
Post by: MLS_man_64 on October 25, 2007, 03:32:02 PM
According to a statement from the company: "This deterioration was primarily due to the loss arising from the strategic pricing of the PS3 at points lower than its production cost and the increase in PS3 inventory-related write-downs... compared to the same quarter of the previous year."
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 25, 2007, 06:15:07 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on October 25, 2007, 09:52:41 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 26, 2007, 07:42:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Hasn't the Unreal Engine caused delays on ALL platforms this time around. I'm surprised developers haven't banded together to rip them a new one.
Not on Nintendo platforms.
Post by: Ceric on October 26, 2007, 12:16:57 PM
Post by: stevey on November 02, 2007, 07:02:47 AM
ERROR! ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DIVIDED BY ZERO! *Head explodes*
Post by: Arbok on November 02, 2007, 07:06:33 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Good new for sony????
ERROR! ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DIVIDED BY ZERO! *Head explodes*
Someone there already said it best:
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The gap is not closing. The Wii sales rate is higher than the rate of the PS3.
The gap is still widening. It's just widening less quickly.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 02, 2007, 07:09:28 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2007, 05:32:04 AM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: stevey
Good new for sony????
ERROR! ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DIVIDED BY ZERO! *Head explodes*
Someone there already said it best:Quote
The gap is not closing. The Wii sales rate is higher than the rate of the PS3.
The gap is still widening. It's just widening less quickly.
Misinformed reporting FTL...
You would figure that someone would fact check the math before reporting this kind of stuff and making themselves look stupid.
A valiant effort buy the undercover SDF agent, although you only managed to fool our own.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 03, 2007, 08:50:12 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 03, 2007, 09:33:32 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1Quote
Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: stevey
Good new for sony????
ERROR! ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DIVIDED BY ZERO! *Head explodes*
Someone there already said it best:Quote
The gap is not closing. The Wii sales rate is higher than the rate of the PS3.
The gap is still widening. It's just widening less quickly.
Misinformed reporting FTL...
You would figure that someone would fact check the math before reporting this kind of stuff and making themselves look stupid.
A valiant effort buy the undercover SDF agent, although you only managed to fool our own.
Post by: stevey on November 10, 2007, 12:53:10 PM
in other news god hates sony confirmed!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 10, 2007, 03:05:48 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
"god destroyed your ps3" say sony
in other news god hates sony confirmed!
Sony should put a warning sticker on the PS3 that it needs to be dusted regularly.
Normally new consoles are used often enough that they don't collect dust, but the PS3 is vulnerable.
Post by: Ceric on November 11, 2007, 11:47:01 AM
Post by: BigJim on November 11, 2007, 02:42:28 PM
Spoken by someone with a black plasma TV, glossy black Tivo, PS3, glossy black computer, black keyboard, and glossy black aluminum blinds on the bedroom windows.
Not to mention my black heart.
Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2007, 01:41:58 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
black and glossy is a bad combo for dust... showage? yeah, showage.
Spoken by someone with a black plasma TV, glossy black Tivo, PS3, glossy black computer, black keyboard, and glossy black aluminum blinds on the bedroom windows.
Not to mention my black heart.
Which is dusty and three sizes to small.
Post by: UncleBob on November 19, 2007, 03:51:47 PM
Slashing the price of the PS3 Dev kit?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 19, 2007, 05:38:00 PM
SORRY, NOT BUYING THIS HORSE CRAP
Post by: Ceric on November 20, 2007, 05:03:29 AM
Post by: stevey on November 25, 2007, 10:19:19 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 25, 2007, 10:56:48 AM
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PS3's orange box unplayable
That is pretty sad.
Post by: UncleBob on November 25, 2007, 11:45:09 AM
Portal for the DS please...
Post by: stevey on November 29, 2007, 09:12:00 AM
sony fires ad department
[/thread] RIP
Post by: Maverick on November 29, 2007, 09:44:35 AM
Post by: EasyCure on November 29, 2007, 10:03:37 AM
Post by: Maverick on November 29, 2007, 10:09:48 AM
I wouldn't buy the song and listen to it on a regular basis, but I think it's PERFECT for a commercial like this one.
Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2007, 10:24:57 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 29, 2007, 08:18:54 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Noooooooooooooooooo!
sony fires ad department
[/thread] RIP
The Guide describes the marketing division of Sony Computer Entertainment as "a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first against the wall when the Revolution comes"
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on November 30, 2007, 07:56:47 AM
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Hehe, I really like it. I heard the song before on the radio and it gets a little repetitive, but I still liked it for the most part. It definitely has a "Rage Against The Machine" feel to it in my opinion.
I wouldn't buy the song and listen to it on a regular basis, but I think it's PERFECT for a commercial like this one.
I think it would behoove Sony to be a little LESS "Rage Against The Machine." I guess that's that's at least marginally less threatening than the eerie Tool video-esque commercials from a year ago. At this point, I'm afraid a PS3 is going to kick down my door and lay eggs in my chest. Sony really needs to delve into the Up With People portfolio to balance out their advertising.
Post by: Stogi on November 30, 2007, 08:13:59 AM
Post by: Maverick on November 30, 2007, 08:16:22 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 30, 2007, 08:18:25 AM
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In this case, would Sony BE the machine?
Rage Against the Playstation 3 (Machine)
Post by: Mashiro on November 30, 2007, 09:59:42 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 30, 2007, 10:26:30 AM
Post by: Mashiro on November 30, 2007, 11:17:45 AM
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It doesn't appeal to everyone...it appeals to the Xbox 360 crowd at most...and guess what they already have a system that can do everything a PS3 can do, and some things better.
It appealed to me, does that make me part of the 360 crowd? I also don't own a 360 either . . . soooooo . . .
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 30, 2007, 11:33:06 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 30, 2007, 01:38:39 PM
Sega tried the same strategy in the early 90s and it relegated them to 2nd place. After all, evil satanic looking things do appeal to some, but the Wii has a broader appeal with its angelic benevolently blue halo. And you know, good always triumphs over evil in the end. This is a system that is more family friendly, both in games and in the advertising. Parents who are thinking of gifts for little Billy this christmas are watching the commercials and with the Wii commercials they see two friendly Japanese guys demonstrating fun games to people; now contrast that with the PS3 commercials with creepy satanic dolls and dark disturbing imagery. Which do you think the parent is going to opt for out of these two?
And as for the 360, I guess they are neutral or some shade of grey, like purgatory or something....
Post by: EasyCure on December 01, 2007, 10:02:23 AM
so at work i'm stuck watching ABC all day cuz no one knows how to change the channel*
yesterday on Rachel Ray she had on some sort of “gift giving expert” to show off what's “hot” this holiday reason. What did she bust out first? A PSP. She tries to get the crowd excited by saying “Everyone in the audience gets one!” and all you hear is golf-claps, with Rachels smile almost fading she tries to convince the crowd their getting something good by saying “Sony doesn't NEED to give any of these away, thanks Sony!”
more golf claps. The guest then goes on about all its cool features “its not just a videogame, its an mp3 and a wi-fi internet! And it plays movies too, great for all those long trips!”
those were her exact words. I actually LOL'd. Looks like their trying to market to nongamers now too. Meanwhile on The View a few days earlier they gave everyone a DSL and brain age 2 and the crowd cheered pretty loud. To be fair maybe The View has a brighter applause sign.
Post by: Maverick on December 01, 2007, 10:09:04 AM
"LOL SONY"
Post by: Kairon on December 01, 2007, 10:51:10 AM
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 02, 2007, 04:42:55 AM
The PS3 is back to being absolutely CRUSHED in the US. I was at Best Buy about 5 minutes after they opened today - and a woman was buying the last of 51 Wiis that they had today. I then counted all the 360s - they had 5 IIRC, all Halo 3 edition. Then I counted the PS3s - 98! 98 f'ing PS3s just sitting there collecting dust. They're also completely sold out of Guitar Hero 3 for the Wii and the 360, but they have tons of the PS3 and PS2 version - even the PC version had less than the PS3.
Also, I absolutely LOATHE Rachel Ray. Triscuits suck, but Wheat Thins kick ass. I refused to buy any while her stupid mug was on the box though.
Edit - also, the song is from Saliva, and they should never EVER be confused for Rage Against the Machine - Papa Roach or Limp Bizkit would be a more accurate comparison for the crapfest that is Saliva. Tom Morello should stab you in the face with a soldering iron for saying so.
Post by: Maverick on December 02, 2007, 05:08:50 PM
Post by: Stogi on December 03, 2007, 02:52:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Brandogg
Tom Morello should stab you in the face with a soldering iron for saying so.
Hahahaha!
Post by: EasyCure on December 03, 2007, 04:47:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Maverick
I just meant that that one song is Rage-esque, I have no idea what anything else by Saliva sounds like.
sounds like burning garbage
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 03, 2007, 01:53:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Maverick
I just meant that that one song is Rage-esque, I have no idea what anything else by Saliva sounds like.
sounds like burning garbage
QFT.
The guitar riff in that song is actually pretty catchy, but other than that, everything they make sucks.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2007, 03:57:01 AM
Post by: Ghisy on December 05, 2007, 04:51:12 AM
I also tried the PS3 last night at a friend's and wasn't impressed...
Post by: EasyCure on December 05, 2007, 05:11:15 AM
on black friday i was at the mall (where i usually take my lunch breaks.. mmm mall ass) and i saw this guy sitting on a bench with his ps3 box on the floor at his feet.. taking a nap! me and my friend jokingly said we should steal it and sell it on ebay.. for less than whats its worth since it'd be all profit for us.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2007, 07:30:53 AM
Post by: EasyCure on December 05, 2007, 09:01:03 AM
oh and sony gave away more psp's to the audience of The View today. they were a little more excited than rachel rays crowd, then again they got more than just a psp.
Post by: stevey on January 01, 2008, 03:32:34 AM
And then there was 1, 360 is getting mgs4 a few months after the ps3. It's still a rumor but you know it will happen.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 01, 2008, 05:49:41 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 01, 2008, 09:26:59 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 02, 2008, 02:41:31 AM
Post by: Ghisy on January 02, 2008, 03:57:52 AM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
I wouldn't be surprised if the game stayed exclusive to the PS3 because we all know how stupidly stubborn Hideo Kojima is, with his misguided loyalty to Sony and all.
Fixed for ya!
Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2008, 08:36:51 AM
Post by: capamerica on January 02, 2008, 09:08:25 AM
I also wouldn't be surprised if it would turn out to be more the 6 to 8 months after the PS3 version.
I'm willing to bet that the only reason they haven't made an official announcement is because they don't want to piss off Sony and their fanboys.
Also if they were to announce that the 360 version will be coming out a bit more down the road, then some fans might just hold off till the 360 version comes out cause they might figure that the 360 version will have additional content that won't be in the PS3 version.
It was never a question on 'IF' if would come to the 360, it was a question of 'WHEN'. It's just way to dangerous for any company, even someone like Konami to release exclusives games to the PS3, especially one that is costing as much money as Metal Gear Solid 4.
Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2008, 09:48:12 AM
Post by: vudu on January 02, 2008, 09:49:18 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 03, 2008, 01:35:33 AM
Post by: capamerica on January 03, 2008, 08:11:20 AM
Post by: Kairon on January 03, 2008, 08:27:05 AM
Post by: capamerica on January 03, 2008, 12:39:05 PM
If Square had the insight on the shift of power that went on this generation when they started production on Final Fantasy XIII they would have moved Final Fantasy XIII over to the Wii. Right now they have put way to much time and money into Final Fantasy XIII to pull the plug and switch system.
The new Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles on the Wii is a test to see how a standard Final Fantasy game will do on the system. When you look at the new Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles it looks like it could have easily taken on the name Final Fantasy XIII.
I'm more then willing to bet that Final Fantasy XIV will be Wii exclusive.
Post by: Ceric on January 05, 2008, 03:20:14 AM
Post by: Darkheart on January 06, 2008, 02:55:51 AM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
What I think it going to happen with Final Fantasy is that Final Fantasy XIII will be the last numbered Final Fantasy game to show up on a Sony system.
If Square had the insight on the shift of power that went on this generation when they started production on Final Fantasy XIII they would have moved Final Fantasy XIII over to the Wii. Right now they have put way to much time and money into Final Fantasy XIII to pull the plug and switch system.
The new Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles on the Wii is a test to see how a standard Final Fantasy game will do on the system. When you look at the new Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles it looks like it could have easily taken on the name Final Fantasy XIII.
I'm more then willing to bet that Final Fantasy XIV will be Wii exclusive.
I really dont know about that theory. Square Enix as much as they love their money are graphics whores. They want to top each game they make off and make the game better looking more and more. Perhaps they would go with a Xbox360 and Ps3 multiplatform route but that's it.
And while we are on that subject I predict Kingdom Hearts 3 will probably be on the Ps3 as well because Noramura is a graphics whore too despite the simple art style of the series. Not that any of this is necessary a bad thing. I just guess I will have to buy the console square likes. . .
Post by: Kairon on January 06, 2008, 09:23:52 AM
GAH. But if Kingdom Hearts 3 doesn't come to the Wii there'll be HELL TO PAY!!!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 06, 2008, 11:44:41 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 07, 2008, 02:16:49 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 07, 2008, 04:32:50 AM
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If FFXIII doesn't sell then S-E will pretty much have to rethink their system loyalty for their other flagship title, that being FF. Dragon Quest can work on any system because it has never been about how it looks, but how it plays, hence one of the reason it's going to be on DS and not any other system. If the Wii continues to lead, DQ X could very well be the first DQ main game to be on a Nintendo home console since DQ 6.
Yeah but Square-Soft would have less room to put their watch-only game on!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 08, 2008, 05:47:11 AM
Sony re-invents "hot pants"
Post by: EasyCure on February 08, 2008, 06:54:57 AM
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Apparently the machine was not turned on when it caught fire. Ironically the game he had installed at the time was a racing title called "Burnout Legends".
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There have been more than 10 million PSP handhelds sold and so far none have caught fire. Not even when they were being played really hard.
DOUBLE LOL!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 08, 2008, 08:21:11 AM
Post by: Maverick on February 09, 2008, 05:43:37 AM
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on February 10, 2008, 04:14:42 AM
Post by: Maverick on February 15, 2008, 12:33:30 AM
Post by: Rhoq on February 15, 2008, 12:42:46 AM
You know, I was lurking the GAF the other day and for some reason there seemed to be a lot of talk about the 360 being a "failure" and 2008 being the "Year Of The PS3". Did I miss some industry shifting events or just fall into another dimension? :-\
When Warner decided to go Blu-ray exclusive as of June 1, 2008 - it had a domino effect on HD DVD. All of the bad news and FUD spread by the media against HD DVD has pushed a lot of people to go "blu". Since the stand alone players have not yet achieved full spec (Profile 2.0) and none of the current models, except for the PS3 can be upgraded - many people (including myself) opted to purchase a PlayStation 3. This combined with the belief that many, quality, PS3-exclusive games are set to be released this year has caused the mass hysteria over at the GAF that you are referring to.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 15, 2008, 12:45:23 AM
Post by: Adrock on February 15, 2008, 01:09:37 AM
I think the PS3 will start doing better this year, but to think that it'll dominate 2008 is downright laughable. The Wii and 360 aren't going to suddenly stop selling because PS3 has some good games coming. And when you think about it, most of PS3's big titles are coming out on 360 anyway or will in the near future (i.e. MGS4). Truth is, Microsoft has done a better job getting exclusive content on their console than Sony and Nintendo probably combined.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 15, 2008, 01:37:42 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on February 15, 2008, 01:40:01 AM
PS3 is in third because it is unneccessary, and even MGS4 can't change that perception.
Post by: Adrock on February 15, 2008, 02:11:00 AM
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Mikintosh wrote:For rizzle. The series gets a lot of respect (deservedly so), but it's not a huge system seller. MGS appeals primarily to series fans. MGS4 is a great game coming to PS3, I just doubt it'll make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Something like GTA4 is more likely to sell more systems than MGS4 and that's coming to 360 on the same day if I remember correctly.
PS3 is in third because it is unneccessary, and even MGS4 can't change that perception.
PS3 may not suck hard this year, but I really, really doubt it has enough going for it to stop Wii and 360's momentum.
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 15, 2008, 02:13:57 AM
Truth is, Microsoft has done a better job getting exclusive content on their console than Sony and Nintendo probably combined.
That's because Microsoft is willing to spend whatever it takes to some day get a monopoly over the videogame industry. They gave Rockstar over 50 million dollars just for exclusive online content in GTA 4 alone. Nintendo and Sony would never pay anywhere near that for even a game, let alone just for extra content that most people wont even use anyway.
This is why I will never buy a Microsoft game console because Microsoft's true goal is to monopolies the gaming industry and to turn it into crap like they've done with the PC market. This is why everyone should be happy Nintendo is the dominate market leader this gen because a Microsoft controlled market would be the death of gaming.
Post by: Adrock on February 15, 2008, 02:20:35 AM
Still, Reggie has performed some miracles. Even though the game sucks so hard, getting Manhunt 2 on Wii was nothing short of amazing. Nintendo is doing a much better job than they have ever been in terms of getting 3rd party support so I have to give credit where credit is due.
Post by: Urkel on February 15, 2008, 03:35:40 AM
As for the PS3 "dominating" or whatever in 2008...
I think people tend to vastly overestimate the ability of one or two games to sell systems. Liberty City Stories was supposed to make the PSP unstoppable, but in reality not too many people cared about it because they had already played it to death before on the PS2. Usually, the games that really DO sell significant amounts of hardware are the ones that provide new experiences.
Another thing that the "PS3 is gonna win in 2008" crowd doesn't realize is that even IF games like MGS4 and FFXIIIIIIIII prove the powah of Cell... so what? It's not like all of a sudden everything from that point on is going to look that good. Games of that caliber take forever to make, and the PS3 doesn't appear to have many (any?) more exclusives of that nature lined up for it at the moment. At least not from 3rd parties.
PS3 will do better this year, for sure. But it still has a long way to go to even catch up to the 360.
The announcement that Mass Effect is coming to the PC (Aspyr or TransGaming, get on the Mac version now) has severely weakened the chances of me getting a 360. EA announcing an NHL game for the Wii in addition to the NCAA Football announced today would roll the chances back to about zero.
The fact that so many next gen "exclusives" end up getting ported to PC is making it hard for me to even care about owning another console.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 16, 2008, 01:05:51 AM
It's rumored that SK is working on three games right now. It makes me wonder how game companies like that can continue to exist without having to release a product in years. Where do they get all this money from?
The government gives it to them in large black trashbags.
Post by: Ceric on February 16, 2008, 08:02:12 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 16, 2008, 09:05:20 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 16, 2008, 12:06:56 PM
Another thing that the "PS3 is gonna win in 2008" crowd doesn't realize is that even IF games like MGS4 and FFXIIIIIIIII prove the powah of Cell... so what? It's not like all of a sudden everything from that point on is going to look that good. Games of that caliber take forever to make, and the PS3 doesn't appear to have many (any?) more exclusives of that nature lined up for it at the moment. At least not from 3rd parties.
That and "power of the cell" doesn't sell a console. Everyone can see that the 360 and PS3 do graphics better than the Wii yet they still buy the Wii. Doesn't look like powerful processors are what people care about.
Post by: Ceric on February 17, 2008, 02:55:38 AM
So does the gaming world love the PS3 now? Sony is not going to go bankrupt as we had hoped?The gaming world doesn't know where it stands on the PS3.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 18, 2008, 06:31:26 AM
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on February 18, 2008, 09:54:23 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 18, 2008, 10:10:10 AM
February might be the same, and March will probably be a month where the Wii will do well because of Smash Bros. But what about the months after that? We can see the warning signs now. By the end of the year the PS3 may very well be on top....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 18, 2008, 10:13:27 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 18, 2008, 07:24:09 PM
Their victory in the format wars is all but certain at this point. HD-DVD looks like its days are numbered. Obviously Sony is delighted, but isn't this a bad thing for MS and Nintendo? Now that they've wrapped up that format thing they can now focus more heavily on the PS3, and that's scary... Will we be looking at another Playstation with a majority market-share AGAIN?Do you really think they can still save the PS3? Publishers have written the system off and are focussing their efforts on other consoles, in order to take the lead Sony would need a massive sustained sales boost and unless that happens I don't think anyone would go back to them because it doesn't look like they'll offer a good market anytime soon.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 18, 2008, 10:23:45 PM
The big difference is UMD failed the portable disc market without competition.
Post by: Ceric on February 19, 2008, 12:13:11 AM
Here in the States, and probably Europe, it should be quiet the opposite.
Post by: MaryJane on February 19, 2008, 05:53:00 AM
Publishers look at numbers, and this will be the year we're going to see many new IP's released for the Wii. Why? Because it's selling so hot. Putting it in perspective however, most sales are going to people who won't buy too many games beyond WiiSports/WiiPlay/WiiFit. Yet, those people are helping out people like us who will look into games like Deadly Creatures, and Baroque. We even have the advantage of getting good casual games like Zack and Wiki, and Boom Blox.
For the PS3, the drive of the updateable Blu-Ray player will push sales, and get companies who were thinking of moving their PS3 games to the 360 to reconsider and launch for both consoles, or exclusively for PS3, because the more consoles out there, means more possible people to buy your game no matter what their initial purpose for buying the console was.
Although, for the PS3 this is a little more difficult since it's a cross from movies to gaming, where in the case of the Wii, it's crossing casual gaming to hardcore gaming, which a lot of companies are blending together rather nicely (Madden, Resident Evil, etc.), the success of the PS3 due to it's Blu-Ray player will have a greater negative effect on the Xbox360 than on the Wii, so I personally am not too concerned, but make no mistake about it, this (and the price cuts despite $70 for a game) will be the rebound the PS3 needed to compete in the market, only time can tell if it will be a complete turn around or just an annoying itch on MS's and Nintendo's respective backs.
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on February 19, 2008, 10:33:57 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 19, 2008, 01:47:22 PM
Japanese Developers will develop for the PS3 because it has a lead over the 360 in Japan and its from Japan. Will they do so more than the Wii probably not. Though I can almost guarantee they will over the 360.
Here in the States, and probably Europe, it should be quiet the opposite.
Strangely enough japanese developers are going for the 360 too. Guess the other three-fourths of the international gaming market are just too good to pass up. Or maybe they're annoyed by SCEA's rejection policies.
Also I think this whole talk about Wii buyers who "will only buy Wii X" is a fallacy, the only reason they buy only that is because noone else made them a compelling offer. These people have moved past the biggest hurdle, the 200$ (+ accessories) hardware cost, now you only need to make them be interested 50$ worth in your game instead fo 250$ worth. That is a market you can tap, it's not unreachable per-se.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 19, 2008, 04:48:59 PM
Just like the PSP, the multimedia capabilities may be a double-edged sword where people will buy it but not use it for video games as they should. That's also remember than $60 games is more than your average casual gamer is willing to pay. They're more likely to go for the $30 Spider Man 3 BRD movie instead...
Post by: Kairon on February 19, 2008, 09:01:27 PM
Japanese Developers will develop for the PS3 because it has a lead over the 360 in Japan and its from Japan. Will they do so more than the Wii probably not. Though I can almost guarantee they will over the 360.
Here in the States, and probably Europe, it should be quiet the opposite.
Strangely enough japanese developers are going for the 360 too. Guess the other three-fourths of the international gaming market are just too good to pass up. Or maybe they're annoyed by SCEA's rejection policies.
I'll have to agree with Ceric here. The PS3 is resurgent in Europe and it's the only HD solution in Japan. Japanese developers will support the XBox 360 for its American strength in traditional hardcore games, but the PS3 is growing into a very viable worldwide HD solution. Europe basically saved Sony this gen.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 19, 2008, 11:34:05 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 20, 2008, 11:43:39 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 20, 2008, 12:42:42 PM
not sure if that was posted yet, but I don't feel like skimming backwards to see what I've missed over the last 12 so days.
Post by: Mikintosh on February 20, 2008, 01:09:46 PM
But no, people who buy PS3s solely as Blu-Ray Players are probably not gonna pick up any games...that's ridiculous. Not only are they $60 each, but they wouldn't have any idea how to play most of them (there aren't a lot of Wii Sports-like games for the PS3). Sony's trying to keep the "everybody's got a Playstation" concept from the 90s and earlier in the decade alive, but they've got the price tag and the shilling-out for Blu-Ray weighing it down; neither of those are bothers to Nintendo and the Wii at all.
Post by: that Baby guy on February 20, 2008, 06:15:53 PM
Now then, we've had a "Scene-It" game for the 360, and to be honest, there's not too much there that couldn't be done on other platforms, especially the Wii, but once again, I stress that a high volume of HD content would only work on the PS3. If Sony could establish the PS3 in this space, that would be another helpful thing for them.
Post by: MaryJane on February 20, 2008, 09:04:34 PM
I will be extremely surprised if MS doesn't at least offer the possibility of dling all it's games for the next Xbox, perhaps even with an incentive of getting it early due to the need to wait for the download. Which again won't be much of problem with fiber optic systems.
Post by: vudu on February 20, 2008, 10:40:00 PM
Look at the trend in technology, did Apple, Vudu, and Alienware make Blu-Ray players? Or did they make boxes to play digital downloads?
I hate the fact that a stupid company stole my handle. I couldn't figure out what the Hell you were talking about at first.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 20, 2008, 11:08:23 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 21, 2008, 02:07:14 AM
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Well Microsoft has said for a while that the internet will be the medium for it's next console, AKA no more discs.
Not to sound like a kooky conspiracy nut but you know all those sci-fi stories where some big corporation is the de facto government and rules in a typically evil manner? Stuff like this would probably be the start of that if it's accepted by consumers. We're already in an era where companies like MS try to promote the idea that we don't own the software we buy. We merely buy a licence and thus really are just renting everything. Obviously a big corporation would push such an idea because it grabs the consumer by the balls. If we own nothing we buy from them then they can take their products away from us at any time and make us buy them again or buy something else. It's gives them power over us which for now they probably just want to use for financial gain but could use for worse purposes.
Physical media is a big monkeywrench in all of this. I don't care what they say. I bought the CDs and DVDs and videogames I own. I own those copies and provided I can maintain some sort of player for them no one can take them away from me without physically coming to my house to do so. And there are books which don't even require a tool to read. They can go batsh!t with copyright laws all they want but I still own those copies.
Downloads don't really belong to you. Hell I'm still a fair bit concerned about the status of VC games. Will Nintendo support those indefinitely? If I lack the space to store all of my VC games on the Wii itself and Nintendo decides to put the kibosh on the downloading service I'm f*cked out of games I paid for. I can't download them again if they don't let me. Now a whole console like that? That's scary. The only reason I can play Goldeneye right now is because I own an old cartridge. Nintendo doesn't sell the game anymore and the rights are such that it isn't being re-released. Imagine a whole console library like that that relies on the companies involved to re-release those games? Games are going to disappear. And if you want to play your old games you have to buy them all over again at whatever price they decide. And with no used sale options those prices don't have to be low.
I'll never buy a download-only ANYTHING. It's like having a TV or radio with no ability to record broadcasts in any way and no way to purchase a home copy of anything. They decide the show is cancelled you're out of luck.
And that's not even taking into account the frightening idea of all news media being distributed online with no physical copies. The Ministry of Truth in reality. No old newspapers or recorded broadcasts lying around to provide proof of revised history? That's scary.
Post by: Ceric on February 21, 2008, 04:19:59 AM
I'm sort of with Ian on this one. I prefer having physical copies of things I paid for. Thats why I won't pay full book price for an e-Book even though I prefer real e-Books, PDFs are a terrible format for that. Also why I won't touch iTunes.
Post by: MaryJane on February 21, 2008, 05:25:06 AM
The whole position on rent versus own is that if I own something I'm free to do with it what I choose, I can give it to millions of people free of charge if I want because I own it. However, if I am merely indefinitely renting it for a one time purchase price, I do not have the right to distribute the media as I see fit. Companies have no intention of taking back what we "rent" from then.
And if you're going to tell me that physical media is more secure, tell that to all early adopters of HD-DVD, had those all been digital downloads and Windows Media Player decided to stop supporting their codec a video conversion tool would solve that problem nice and easy for you. Now if I own HD-DVD's and they get scratched or my player breaks what do I do? With digital downloading attached to a username your purchase becomes infinite. The files get corrupted, your computer blows up, whatever happens you can through some means redownload your media. Although I suppose things like using a new computer would require you to contact the company and give them an explanation and proof of why you need to redownload your entire library to a different computer.
Don't get me wrong I totally understad the appeal of owning physical things, I realized earlier I lied in my earlier post when I said I haven't bought a CD in 10 years because I have purchased every TOOL album, the art inside the albums makes only using the disc once well worth it IMO. Also TOOL refuses to sell their music online, which I can understand, although I don't agree with it. But things like that can be purchased seperately, I've always wanted like a big book of Alex Grey art (the guy who does a lot of TOOL's artwork especially for 10,000 days, Adam Jones (guitarist) did a lot of early art work and I'd also like a book of his work, these things could become more likely without the outlet of an album to showcase their work. (on a side not Alex Grey does have a gallery in NYC and if you can get to it I would recommend a visit it's really amazing work, also try to go on one of the days he's give's a tour, he's a funny and cool guy, I was wearing one of my tool shirts, and he saw it, stopped mid sentence and was like, "oh, I like your shirt" chuckled and continued like nothing happened)
Post by: vudu on February 21, 2008, 10:26:13 PM
Downloads don't really belong to you. Hell I'm still a fair bit concerned about the status of VC games. Will Nintendo support those indefinitely? If I lack the space to store all of my VC games on the Wii itself and Nintendo decides to put the kibosh on the downloading service I'm f*cked out of games I paid for.
But to be fair (and realistic) how many of the games do you really plan on playing multiple times? Most of my VC purchases have been games that I missed the first time around. I paid $5 - $8 for most of them, played them, loved them, and now they sit idle on the second screen of my Wii main menu. Most of these I won't play again. I'm not going to have a hissy fit if I lose the ability to play these again in ten years.
Post by: Mikintosh on February 22, 2008, 10:52:12 AM
Post by: Nephilim on February 22, 2008, 11:23:18 AM
Yeah, I'm not relying on Nintendo's ability to keep the VC up indefinitely; I only delete the games I hardly play, tho if there's gonna be more games like Smash Bros. that need a lot of space, then I might have to rethink that.
Brawl only reserves 128 blocks for saving stages, replays and pics, doubt many other games will do this
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 23, 2008, 01:51:38 AM
So that's another issue. Now, if games start to be available as downloads then we'll probably see more compression going on and more stripping of content in order to keep the size as small as possible. Optical media allows for the storage of massive amounts of data that can include music and full motion video. This extra content takes up lots of space, but it isn't necessary for the game per se. So that's probably one of the things we'd see disappear if games became download only.
I'd like to point out that even though HD-DVD is pretty much dead from a movie point of view, why does it necessarily have to be dead in other ways? They are still going to be selling HD-DVD writable discs for the foreseeable future, so why can't they do that indefinitely? Why can't MS use it as the storage media for their next xbox? That way they probably wouldn't have to pay licensing fees to Sony so that would work out well for them.
So what difference does it make to HD-DVD is blockbuster and the movie studios don't support it? That just means it can't be a movie format, but why does it have to be? The Gamecube and Wii discs aren't movie formats either and they serve their function well. So I do hope HD-DVD will hold on at least in some areas even if it lost the movie war.
Post by: Mario on February 23, 2008, 07:35:55 AM
Post by: Maverick on February 23, 2008, 09:16:35 PM
Post by: MaryJane on February 23, 2008, 09:25:26 PM
Beyond that, the only two WiiWare games I've seen (Lost Wind(s?) and FF:CC) look graphically superior to first gen first party Wii games (Zelda:TP for example) and close to games like Galaxy and Brawl, so I don't think it's going to be much of a problem. The game is created first and then compressed, so the only losses would take place in the (de)compression software, which considering that Nintendo is responsible for it, will likely produce great results, Nintendo's seal of quality still means something to me. Wii's don't break down or burn out (if they do it's at least not with a 16% fail rate like MS) and first party Nintendo games are always of a high quality (even Mario Party games).
I wonder if people were this scared when Cd's were introduced to replace vinyl's.
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It is important to have a tangible copy so that you can't accidently delete it or lose it when your HD breaks down.
How does that compare to Cd's getting scratched? You can't bring it back to the store and get a refund because it was damaged. Contrary to that, if you accidentally delete or lose your digital copy when your HD breaks down (forget the fact that infinitely less volatile flash memory will likely be used in next gen consoles since a "relatively cheap" 64GB SSD will be more than most people need, right now one of those are pretty expensive upwards of $600 but mass production will drive those costs down) you can easily re-download the media, instead of having to re-buy a physical copy...
So let's see, I can either buy physical media and be completely screwed over when it gets damaged, OR, I can buy digital media and have lifetime (to be truly realistic I guess it's the lifetime of the company providing the media and not you) insurance on it.
Seems like a pretty easy choice to me. Perhaps I missed something though.
Post by: Mario on February 24, 2008, 05:09:13 AM
Goddamn hippy.Better than the end of humanity.
Post by: Smoke39 on February 24, 2008, 05:14:17 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 24, 2008, 05:30:32 AM
Goddamn hippy.Better than the end of humanity.
This is a prime example of my theory of balance. The two powers working against each other protecting us from themselves. IT'S GREAT
Post by: Kairon on February 24, 2008, 11:21:12 AM
So you believe in a two-console future?This is a prime example of my theory of balance. The two powers working against each other protecting us from themselves. IT'S GREATGoddamn hippy.Better than the end of humanity.
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 24, 2008, 06:10:45 PM
What would be so terrible about the end of humanity? It's not like our existence actually matters to anything.
God damn existentialist.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 24, 2008, 06:31:06 PM
So you believe in a two-console future?This is a prime example of my theory of balance. The two powers working against each other protecting us from themselves. IT'S GREATGoddamn hippy.Better than the end of humanity.
Well I actually put Nintendo vs everything else. But come one, I don't want to know what would happen if we had a Nintendo only market. I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty.
Post by: Smoke39 on February 25, 2008, 12:00:25 AM
Well I actually put Nintendo vs everything else. But come one, I don't want to know what would happen if we had a Nintendo only market. I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty.We'd still have the PC. Not everyone may be able to get ahold of a console SDK, but anyone can write a computer game.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 25, 2008, 12:15:51 AM
Well I actually put Nintendo vs everything else. But come one, I don't want to know what would happen if we had a Nintendo only market. I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty.We'd still have the PC. Not everyone may be able to get ahold of a console SDK, but anyone can write a computer game.
I rarely play PC games and hate them most of the time. I am playing Team Fortress 2 right now though.
Install
Configure
Still doesn't run quite how I wanted
Load times are often worse
Patches upgrades
oh and the controls suck too.
Post by: Smoke39 on February 25, 2008, 12:48:44 AM
Post by: MaryJane on February 25, 2008, 07:21:52 AM
just trying to bring this somewhat back on topic, read my post before this for a quick refresher lol
Post by: Svevan on February 25, 2008, 07:16:07 AM
What would be so terrible about the end of humanity? It's not like our existence actually matters to anything.
lets debate this, internet friend, in a different thread
Post by: ShyGuy on February 25, 2008, 08:09:38 AM
Post by: Darkheart on February 25, 2008, 12:06:26 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 25, 2008, 02:50:52 PM
=D
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 25, 2008, 04:34:35 PM
So you believe in a two-console future?This is a prime example of my theory of balance. The two powers working against each other protecting us from themselves. IT'S GREATGoddamn hippy.Better than the end of humanity.
Well I actually put Nintendo vs everything else. But come one, I don't want to know what would happen if we had a Nintendo only market. I'm sure it wouldn't be pretty.
We already know what would happen because for awhile it did happen. I'm talking about the NES era, of course. I don't think that era was that bad though, to be honest.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 25, 2008, 04:40:46 PM
Let's not turn this into a console v. PC argument. My point was that even if one company dominates the console market the PC will always be open for people to experiment with new game concepts.
Actually, do you know who owns the PC market? That's right - Microsoft! So it would be a very serious thing if we had an MS monopoly in the console industry, because then they would have pretty much everything to do with video gaming locked up under their control. Except maybe handhelds. I could see Nintendo hanging on to that even if they lost in the console arena, but I personally think it is just a matter of time before MS comes out with their own video gaming handheld. Expect them to do just that in the next few years...
So anyways, yeah... MS is the one we should be the most worried about over the long term. Sony is still putting up a good fight and is still Nintendo's biggest threat right now, but Microsoft is the long term threat. MS and Nintendo are relatively friendly now, but this won't last. Expect MS to do to Nintendo what it has already did to companies like Netscape and Apple.
Post by: Caliban on February 25, 2008, 07:13:17 PM
Extra, extra! Phil Harrison has left Sony!
Wow.
For a moment I actually thought you were kidding, but then I decided to check, and holy bat-**** is it true.
I wonder if he's going to stick to the video-game or fly off into new endeavours.
I hope he stays. Maybe work for Microsoft, or even Nintendo.
Wait. Wait. If he comes to Nintendo it's going to be "Clash of the Two Giants". Nobody will be able to defeat them.
Post by: Smoke39 on February 25, 2008, 08:06:52 PM
So it would be a very serious thing if we had an MS monopoly in the console industry, because then they would have pretty much everything to do with video gaming locked up under their control.I was talking about the hypothetical situation of Nintendo dominating the console realm, but in any case...
Actually, do you know who owns the PC market? That's right - Microsoft!
No they don't. Microsoft has no control over what software is made for Windows. And even if they did, there are other OSs for game developers to use.
Post by: ShyGuy on February 25, 2008, 10:27:57 PM
Post by: MaryJane on February 26, 2008, 11:58:00 AM
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There was some confusion previously over Atari Inc and the Infogrames companies, which are not the same entity. David Pearce was the former CEO of Atari Inc, while David Gardner replaced Patrick Leleu at Infogrames. It is Infogrames that is the possible destination for Mr Harrison, not Atari Inc. GamesIndustry.biz would like to apologise for any confusion arising from this.
Found here: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=33463 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=33463)
Says he's moving on because Nintendo is winning the casual market and Sony is doing nothing to stop them... interesting.
Post by: Caliban on February 26, 2008, 03:13:53 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 26, 2008, 03:27:05 PM
Phil can spout victory all he wants now.
Every press release is a reason to celebrate.
Post by: Caliban on February 26, 2008, 04:44:04 PM
Post by: Ceric on February 26, 2008, 04:59:24 PM
And how is going to Atari going to be any better?Bigger Pay check, Less Work?
Post by: MaryJane on February 26, 2008, 08:41:12 PM
And how is going to Atari going to be any better?
He's not going to Atari!!! Here I'll do it again and help you guys out this time:
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There was some confusion previously over Atari Inc and the Infogrames companies, which are not the same entity. David Pearce was the former CEO of Atari Inc, while David Gardner replaced Patrick Leleu at Infogrames. It is Infogrames that is the possible destination for Mr Harrison, not Atari Inc. GamesIndustry.biz would like to apologise for any confusion arising from this.
Anyway, don't forget he's going to lead Infogrames if he wants to take them in a casual direction he has the power to do so, although the stockholders may have something to say if his strategy doesn't produce Nintendo-like results.
Post by: Kairon on February 27, 2008, 01:57:50 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 27, 2008, 07:57:40 AM
Post by: MaryJane on February 27, 2008, 01:52:06 PM
Ha. Inforgrames is the company that BOUGHT the Atari name!
So in other words he's not going to Atari...
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he spearheaded a Wii knockoff with subtle improvements.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 28, 2008, 12:19:51 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on March 02, 2008, 06:49:36 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 02, 2008, 07:26:37 PM
Post by: MaryJane on March 02, 2008, 08:48:53 PM
Um, Infogrames and Atari are publishers, not console manufacturers. They won't make a console, just games.
And Nintendo started by making playing cards...
A return to the console scene for Atari, or the move for publisher Infogrames isn't completely out of the question.
They can try to make a cheap (as in cost to manufacture not necessarily low quality) console, and cash in Nintendo style with casual games. What if they made a console that ONLY allowed casual games to be made for it? That could catch on depending on how it's done, except that I doubt most people who own a Wii would switch.
It really makes me wonder about the next Nintendo console, the casual gamers who are satisfied with the Wii the way it is, may be unlikely to buy an upgraded version just for graphics or a few new gameplay elements. Although I bet Nintendo is working on a way to counter this. Perhaps we will truly have a third pillar in the Nintendo line up, with the new console focusing more on core gamers(the sequel craving whores that we are; SSB, SMB, Mario Kart, and so on) and keep the Wii for people who will continue to play WiiSports and may pick up one or two other games in the next 5 or 10 years.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 03, 2008, 12:29:43 AM
So why couldn't Infrogrames/Atari do the same? The Atari brand name still holds some credibility, so if there was a new system named Atari something or other, then people would take notice of it. It doesn't need to be Atari, though. EA could jump in out of nowhere with a console, or Ubisoft, or SEGA once again...
Edit: And as a matter of fact, I think Nintendo released some of their earliest games on the Atari 2600 before they created the NES. So again, what's to stop Atari or EA or someone from deciding they can be like Nintendo and make their own console and use their own games to sell it?
Post by: Kairon on March 03, 2008, 12:49:50 AM
Post by: MaryJane on March 03, 2008, 08:35:13 AM
I can't imagine console manufacturing being appealing to ANY company right now except those already stuck with investments in it. This is high-risk, long-term, and high-tech. MS has lost billions already, the only reason they're here is because they're the only ones who can afford to lose billions over 7 years or so and not get overthrown by shareholders.
That's if you make a cutting-edge console, if they make a Wii clone, where they can make a profit from the first console they sell, it's no longer such a huge risk.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2008, 08:58:26 AM
Hardware manufacturing isn't cheap to get into and not forgiving if you flop. It's probably more profitable to make games for all consoles.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 03, 2008, 11:21:57 AM
Nintendo could probably go it alone if it lost all 3rd party support, but maybe EA could too. They're very large.
Post by: Mikintosh on March 03, 2008, 03:43:37 PM
One of the big game publishers could pull it off. Imagine if EA came out with a console and then all of their games appeared only on that console and none of the other systems. I think EA has things like Madden, the Sims, and a LARGE number of other stuff which would show up on the EA system exclusively. Then if other developers join them and publish on that system then I think you've got a serious contender.
Nintendo could probably go it alone if it lost all 3rd party support, but maybe EA could too. They're very large.
No one buys a 360 to play the newest Madden, as much as they don't buy a PC just to play the Sims. (well, maybe my sister, but...)
And why would anyone join them? They probably already resent the company for its leadership position in the first place. Plus, have they ever made hardware? Ever?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2008, 04:15:46 PM
Post by: Deguello on March 03, 2008, 04:56:53 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 03, 2008, 07:28:57 PM
Many people buy the hardware for Madden but not every Madden buyer bought the hardware just for it. My guess would be that they'd get maybe 70% of their old userbase on the new console but that'd still be bad business.
Imagine they do get 70%. Then add the revenue they'd generate from hardware sales (they'd have to sell it for a profit like Nintendo does). And to top it all off, they wouldn't have to pay licensing or development fees to any other company, because they own their own hardware. So I think even with a 30% loss in sales they'd still make more profit. Plus they would make more if they can draw in 3rd party support and collect license fees...
Post by: MaryJane on March 03, 2008, 10:41:28 PM
EA, Atari, or any others would have a lot to prove to other publishers to get them to make solid(exclusive and good) titles for their console.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 03, 2008, 10:54:45 PM
Many people buy the hardware for Madden but not every Madden buyer bought the hardware just for it. My guess would be that they'd get maybe 70% of their old userbase on the new console but that'd still be bad business.
Imagine they do get 70%. Then add the revenue they'd generate from hardware sales (they'd have to sell it for a profit like Nintendo does). And to top it all off, they wouldn't have to pay licensing or development fees to any other company, because they own their own hardware. So I think even with a 30% loss in sales they'd still make more profit. Plus they would make more if they can draw in 3rd party support and collect license fees...
The problem with that logic is that if EA were to make a console it would certainly be at least at the same level graphically as the 360. Microsoft is selling the 360 at $400 and they're taking a loss on it, which means EA would have to charge more than that. Nobody is going to pay more than that for a console that only plays EA games.
Also, Nintendo's quality and diverse selection of games is only part of the reason they were able to survive the latter halves of the N64 and GameCube's lives. The other part is a very devoted fanbase that didn't abandon the platform when things got bad, something that EA doesn't have.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 03, 2008, 11:41:00 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 04, 2008, 12:11:07 AM
Post by: animecyberrat on March 17, 2008, 01:04:20 AM
Post by: Kairon on March 17, 2008, 03:19:20 AM
Maybe it could happen as a partnership between several 3rd parties. If a bunch of them teamed together then it becomes more likely they could pull it off.
Or one third party could buy all the others and then take it from there. Hey... waitaminutethatsoundsfamiliar....
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on April 15, 2008, 03:48:18 AM
That is, if you can call the PS3's core audience a "generation."
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2008, 03:53:35 AM
A strange phenomenon I've observed among some [angry] Sony fans is that they honestly believe that everyone that doesn't own a PS3 is simply too poor to function in life. Thinking back, watching my little cousin play Spyro on his PSOne, who woulda guessed we were engineering a generation of Bartholomew J. Bubblegum-s?
That is, if you can call the PS3's core audience a "generation."
A more accurate description of the size of the PS3's core audience would be a "softball team".
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on April 15, 2008, 04:06:06 AM
"Bummyfunk and abrigation! Let the paupers have their Wii!"
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2008, 04:12:03 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2008, 01:01:17 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on April 15, 2008, 03:04:57 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2008, 03:09:35 PM
Post by: Caliban on April 15, 2008, 06:24:56 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on April 15, 2008, 06:30:33 PM
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2008, 08:13:55 PM
But then how can Nintendo innovate a steam whistle?Steam Powered. Now you playing with Power.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 16, 2008, 11:41:39 AM
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on April 16, 2008, 09:27:10 PM
Post by: animecyberrat on April 16, 2008, 09:38:09 PM
A coal-powered PS3 would be bad for the environment, and Greenpeace might then have to reconsider their bashing of Nintendo.
No, Sony will find some way to include a low emissions ad campaign and con them into thinking it is safer for the environment.
Post by: Deguello on April 22, 2008, 11:14:48 PM
How much money is Sony investing in that useless thing anyway?
Post by: IceCold on April 22, 2008, 11:15:37 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 04, 2008, 04:47:52 PM
Interview with Scott Steinberg.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 04, 2008, 05:16:19 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 04, 2008, 08:54:59 PM
Now for the most misinterpreted quote.
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...but we'd never consider iterating off of existing competitive technology - because we think that's a fad and that's not the way we approach product development.
Simply because of the last statement it seems that "iterating off of existing competitive technology" is the fad...
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 06, 2008, 05:14:46 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 06, 2008, 05:31:17 PM
My mom's a senior and she can't even hook up a DVD player, let alone a Wii or PS3. It's not like Sony is losing customers by saying stuff like this, because for the PS3 those customers don't exist to begin with.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 07, 2008, 10:43:44 PM
Sony PS3 Platinum Range (http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2008/08/sonys-ps3-platinum-range.html)
YELLOW labeling.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 07, 2008, 10:58:42 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 08, 2008, 01:38:41 AM
PlayStation3 knows how to do everything wrong the GameCube way:In America the greatest hits PS3 boxes are red (as in the plastic of the case), if you get the irony you get a cookie.
Sony PS3 Platinum Range (http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2008/08/sonys-ps3-platinum-range.html)
YELLOW labeling.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 08, 2008, 04:00:41 AM
Also AFAIK "PS2 the best" (Japan only I think) was yellow too.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 08, 2008, 08:11:01 AM
I don't get the irony, the only thing that comes to mind is stores putting games into red antitheft boxes if they're rated 18 to tell the cashier to check the buyer's age.
Also AFAIK "PS2 the best" (Japan only I think) was yellow too.
The irony is HDDVD boxes have red plastic.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 08, 2008, 09:19:21 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2008, 11:46:45 AM
I don't get the irony, the only thing that comes to mind is stores putting games into red antitheft boxes if they're rated 18 to tell the cashier to check the buyer's age.
Also AFAIK "PS2 the best" (Japan only I think) was yellow too.
The irony is HDDVD boxes have red plastic.
I wonder if they are HDDVD cases. I'll bet you that its uber cheap to get the stockpiles of those.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 11, 2008, 10:09:03 AM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on August 11, 2008, 11:23:16 AM
I love how when somebody mentions to Sony that the Wii is outselling them by a large margin, they instantly fall back on "the Playstation platform". Like the PS2 is from this generation. That'd be like somebody talking to Nintendo about how the PSP is outselling the DS in Japan, and having their response be something about how "the Nintendo handheld platform (GBA and DS)" is outselling everything.
Post by: Ceric on August 11, 2008, 12:08:10 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 28, 2008, 02:38:58 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 29, 2008, 05:42:17 AM
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When asked if he thought Sony could ever get back the US$3 billion (£1.64 billion) poured in the PS3, he answered, “Not for as long as I live,”
lol
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 15, 2008, 12:35:45 PM
Sony's efforts comparable to these gentlemen (http://www.kcra.com/video/18272672/index.html)
Post by: Arbok on December 22, 2008, 10:32:54 PM
How I missed thee...
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 28, 2008, 07:11:26 PM
Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2008, 08:17:26 PM
Post by: nickmitch on December 28, 2008, 08:30:58 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on December 28, 2008, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: stevey on December 28, 2008, 09:05:38 PM
What happened to all the Sony bashing between the months of August and December? This thread should not have went inactive, because there's always something to bash Sony about!
Everyone on NWR turned into Sony loving, MS owning, Nintendo hating traitors after E3. >:(
Post by: King of Twitch on December 30, 2008, 06:25:11 PM
Post by: Kairon on December 30, 2008, 08:13:08 PM
Everyone on NWR turned into Sony loving, MS owning, Nintendo hating traitors after E3. >:(
Guys guys guys. Now, we may all differ on our opinions on the hardware manufacturs, but we can all agree on one thing:
We love third parties.
Right guys? ... right? /cry
Post by: Arbok on December 30, 2008, 08:24:28 PM
PSP pwnage on the front page of yahoo lol
Linkage:
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/goodbye-sony-psp/1276225
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2008, 08:47:46 PM
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In a lot of ways, it's a shame. The PSP is a far more capable hardware platform than the DS. It's a phone, a portable music player, a pocket-sized movie device, a mobile web browser, and when paired with a Playstation 3, a remarkably capable remote control for the system, capable of streaming music and movies from a PS3 over the Internet to wherever you happen to be.
Whoever wrote this article is an idiot. None of these remarkable features he lists do anything to enhance the PSP's ability to play games. Sure, the DS doesn't have these bells and whistles, but these bells and whistles doesn't make the PSP a more capable gaming system. It's a better multimedia device than the DS, but an inferior gaming device.
The PSP fails by attempting to be a jack of all trades, but a master of nothing. As a gaming device it gets its ass handed to it by the DS; but as a multimedia device a consumer would be far better off grabbing a Blackberry or Iphone or something. So where does that leave the PSP?
Basically, the PSP is little more than a Punk teenager's shoddy imitation of an IPhone. If you want to look hip and cool but can't afford a quality device like a blackberry, you beg your parents to get you a PSP. Then you wear it on your clothes on a chain like Bling and never play it, because actually playing it would make you look like a loser.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 30, 2008, 08:56:58 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2008, 08:59:08 PM
One thing we can be almost sure of is optical media in a handheld is a bad idea, and we know Nintendo's past feelings regarding optical media. And with the price and storage space flash can offer improving all the time, it's almost a certainty that Nintendo will reject discs for its next handheld.
But Sony on the other hand seems to love proprietary optical media formats, so I wouldn't be surprised if the PSP2 runs on Blu-ray minidiscs.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 30, 2008, 09:08:32 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2008, 09:48:04 PM
UMD or any disk is a bad idea for a handheld. For one it sucks battery life, two it has load times, three you need external memory to save everything, four and most important, it isn't nearly as durable and has for more that can break or get wore out.
I know its a bad idea, but I think Sony will still go with it anyway. They have a long history of ignoring common sense in order to come out with something bigger and shinier.
Plus, their hands are kinda tied on this matter anyway, aren't they? If they want the PSP2 to be backwards compatible with the original PSP's games it would have to have an optical drive. So Sony not only shot themselves in the foot with the PSP, but also each successor system as well, because now that they're locked into optical formats theres no way for them to get out except to break compatibility, which would also give an advantage to the DS2. So either way, Sony's kinda screwed.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on December 30, 2008, 10:15:59 PM
Post by: Deguello on December 30, 2008, 11:52:09 PM
Plus, it'll be suicide because Sony would be ceding the entire "actual product" game market to a competitor. Which means, of course, I hope they go this route. :D
There's not really a whole lot of options for them, and all of them are pretty bad.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on December 30, 2008, 11:58:30 PM
Post by: Deguello on December 31, 2008, 01:30:31 AM
They'd have a lot of sand to go totally digital and it would be a brave (if stupid) move, but I don't see them going halfway like that and halfway with their medium (which I think will be discs, myself. Sony just can't stop letting their other departments horn in on their games division, it seems.)
They are actually in a pickle powerwise, too. Do they go for PS3 graphics in a handheld? People don't even care about PS3 graphics on the PS3. Too much power and they'll have trouble grabbing developers away from a DS2, which Nintendo will probably only moderately improve in order to keep things safe and easy to dev for. Too little power and their fans will either revolt or they'll start their newspeak engines and say "Sony has never been about graphics technology." But either way they do not have enough fans to survive by themselves and they'll have to try and innovate their way out of it like Nintendo. It just remains to be seen if they can.
I don't envy their position, that's all I'll say.
Post by: Kairon on December 31, 2008, 01:42:05 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 31, 2008, 01:08:59 PM
The problem with mixing the two liek that is it will cause customer confusion about where to buy PSP2 games and people will kinda be rightly sore that they'll have to pay money to play games they already own from the previous generation, and possibly games they bought the previous month.
They'd have a lot of sand to go totally digital and it would be a brave (if stupid) move, but I don't see them going halfway like that and halfway with their medium (which I think will be discs, myself. Sony just can't stop letting their other departments horn in on their games division, it seems.)
They are actually in a pickle powerwise, too. Do they go for PS3 graphics in a handheld? People don't even care about PS3 graphics on the PS3. Too much power and they'll have trouble grabbing developers away from a DS2, which Nintendo will probably only moderately improve in order to keep things safe and easy to dev for. Too little power and their fans will either revolt or they'll start their newspeak engines and say "Sony has never been about graphics technology." But either way they do not have enough fans to survive by themselves and they'll have to try and innovate their way out of it like Nintendo. It just remains to be seen if they can.
I don't envy their position, that's all I'll say.
It actually gives consumers flexibility especially if the game is out of print. If you want the physical product? Great you can buy your UMD games, if you want to carry a bunch on memory stick? Awesome download and play off the memory stick. If you want to get a game that you can't find in stores but it's available online? Great just download and enjoy. You guys seriously act like babies sometimes this setup is actually beneficial because it gives consumers a choice and greater availability.
Post by: Ian Sane on December 31, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
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people will kinda be rightly sore that they'll have to pay money to play games they already own from the previous generation, and possibly games they bought the previous month.
Gee, I thought trying to get people to rebuy stuff is like the way to do business now. Wii-makes and all that. ;)
Is backwards compatibility really actually important with any PSP2? The DS didn't support GB/GBC compatiblity. The DSi has no GBA slot. Nintendo, the portable market leader, is moving away from backwards compatibility on portables. Odds are the frustrating "rebuy your old games digitally" model is probalby exactly what they're moving towards.
So if the next PSP can't use discs but can't provide true backwards compatibility without using them then I think the solution is to just not have backwards compatibility. It isn't like the PSP is this hugely popular system that all these people have tons of old games for. What Sony would obviously want with a PSP2 is for a HUGE chunk of newcomers to buy it. They don't want to just sell it to the PSP userbase.
The PS3 just dropped PS2 backwards compatibility. The Xbox 360 never really had it. The only truly backwards compatible console is the Wii and 90% of that userbase doesn't care because they never owned a Cube in the first place and Nintendo doesn't support the Gamecube anymore or emphasize at all the Wii's ability to play those games. With the Wii-makes on the way I'm sure Nintendo is wishing they never offered backwards compatibility in the first place. They're hoping most people don't notice that their Wii already plays those games and that many of them can be found for cheap on eBay. Now I know with portables it's a little more important since you aren't going to bring your old portable along with you. But I don't think enough people care to make it a deal breaker. The only people that really care about old games are hardcore gamers and they'll buy the PSP2 if it has games they're interested in. If you own a DS and a PSP then you have the prioritize when gaming on the go anyway.
Though I question why Sony should even bother with another PSP. I think their bigger issue is to hold on on the console front long enough to make it to next gen and this time not make their console so damn expensive with no wiggle room to make pricecuts. They used to know how to make consoles people wanted. They NEVER knew how to make portables people wanted. So prioritize on getting back what you were once good at.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on December 31, 2008, 02:00:24 PM
The problem with mixing the two liek that is it will cause customer confusion about where to buy PSP2 games and people will kinda be rightly sore that they'll have to pay money to play games they already own from the previous generation, and possibly games they bought the previous month.
Mixing the two is already done on Xbox 360 and PS3, and nobody seems to be confused. The PSP isn't any different. It'll be like Burnout Paradise, Warhawk, or SOCOM on PS3 - you can buy these games in disk form, or you can download them off of PSN. It's you choice, just like PC users can buy Valve games at retail or over Steam.
They'd have a lot of sand to go totally digital and it would be a brave (if stupid) move, but I don't see them going halfway like that and halfway with their medium (which I think will be discs, myself. Sony just can't stop letting their other departments horn in on their games division, it seems.)
UMD is fine as a storage media. It failed as a platform to sell movies on, but that doesn't have anything to do with the media itself. Of all the complaints about the PSP, reliability of the disc-reading mechanism isn't one that I've ever heard. The only real knock against the UMD discs is that they're slower to access than cartridges, but then what isn't?
They are actually in a pickle powerwise, too. Do they go for PS3 graphics in a handheld? People don't even care about PS3 graphics on the PS3. Too much power and they'll have trouble grabbing developers away from a DS2, which Nintendo will probably only moderately improve in order to keep things safe and easy to dev for. Too little power and their fans will either revolt or they'll start their newspeak engines and say "Sony has never been about graphics technology." But either way they do not have enough fans to survive by themselves and they'll have to try and innovate their way out of it like Nintendo. It just remains to be seen if they can.
I don't envy their position, that's all I'll say.
I don't think they're locked into any particular graphical spec. As long as there's a marked improvement over the original PSP, I think most people will be happy. They just need to really decide what their goal is going to be with the PSP2, and match the graphics accordingly. They really need to offer a less strictly console-like experience with the PSP2.
Post by: ShyGuy on December 31, 2008, 02:10:39 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 31, 2008, 02:11:37 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on December 31, 2008, 03:26:13 PM
Post by: Deguello on December 31, 2008, 04:57:56 PM
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Mixing the two is already done on Xbox 360 and PS3, and nobody seems to be confused. The PSP isn't any different. It'll be like Burnout Paradise, Warhawk, or SOCOM on PS3 - you can buy these games in disk form, or you can download them off of PSN. It's you choice, just like PC users can buy Valve games at retail or over Steam.
Yeah but all those games kinda flopped, and that's just them trying to grab more revenue by charging full retail prices for games you can find for $19 on Amazon. It's not the sort of ideal solution it's made out to be. When they put big-name titles on it first day, that's when I'll turn my head. But otherwise it's just a revenue grab. And Steam is a bad example. Piracy runs rampant on the PC. Steam is more of a defensive measure against piracy than a future model for retail. And it's not like the PC market is going really well enough that console manufacturers who make their money off consoles (Oh I'm sorry, that's just Nintendo, my bad) and licensing fees should emulate their defensive measures against piracy as a model for revenue. Another thing is that just because they are DOING these things, doesn't mean that A) it's working and B) people like it.
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UMD is fine as a storage media. It failed as a platform to sell movies on, but that doesn't have anything to do with the media itself. Of all the complaints about the PSP, reliability of the disc-reading mechanism isn't one that I've ever heard. The only real knock against the UMD discs is that they're slower to access than cartridges, but then what isn't?
Well, like others said, it drains the battery, so not only is it slow to load that time playing nothing it drains the battery faster so you don't get to do much playing when you actually are. The plastic shell case means cleaning the disc (should you have to) is a huge hassle. These may not be issues with you, but they do detract from the product and others find issue with it as well. That's why the DS is stomping its guts out on the technical level. And slower access is actually the CRUCIAL thing with a handheld, that makes all these other complaints seem niggling by comparison. When it takes a whole minute just to load a game on PSP, while a guy with a DS is playing in seconds, the only thing blocking him being the corporate logo hell he might have to sit through, it's pretty damning. And I understand your desire to keep your things in pristine shape, but that shouldn't even be an issue with portables. Because they are, you know, portables, they should be able to take a hit. The games have to be able to survive being left out on a desk or a dusty floor. DS card and cartridges in general are great at this, where as discs are really bad for this.
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I don't think they're locked into any particular graphical spec. As long as there's a marked improvement over the original PSP, I think most people will be happy. They just need to really decide what their goal is going to be with the PSP2, and match the graphics accordingly. They really need to offer a less strictly console-like experience with the PSP2.
No way. Wii games, mostly from Nintendo and especially Mario Galaxy, show a marked improvement over GameCube games. That doesn't stop people from ragging on it all day. If the PSP2 doesn't set a new benchmark for graphics, they can kiss their hardcore set goodbye, as that was the only thing selling the PSP for a long time. And I'm not sure what you mean by "console-like experiences." A lot of DS games have the same or better-than console-like experiences, particularly the strong gameplay-focus that seems missing from the console games as a whole. Heck some of the DS's games even used to BE console games, like Chrono Trigger. If you just mean graphics, well, like I said above.
I think my biggest problem with the PSP is that it was severely casual focused and tried to hide it with GT Mobile screens. And by casual focused, I mean even worse than the dread "Nintendo non-gamer focus." I mean they made their portable with movie-playing, MP3 capability, and fashion statement in mind. They allowed, nay, ENCOURAGED their customers to use it as an MP3 player, or a media thing. Even if the accusation of Nintendo making and selling casual games were true, at least "casual games" are still "games" that people buy and play, thus generating game-related revenue, which turns to profit from game-playing capabilities. Game studios and publishers get ZERO from somebody using a PSP as an MP3 player. This is why you don't see much enthusiasm regarding the PSP, really. A significant chunk of their market aren't even gamers at all, casual or hardcore. And only Sony benefits from that.
And as for backwards compatibility, the DS sold about 90 million of DS Pahts and Lites, both of which have GBA backwards compatibility. I'd say they have the majority of people who care about it covered. But it still is an important thing to have for your early adopters. I know a DS2 will play DS1 games. GBC or GBA games on download won't be so wrong, because by the time a DS2 comes out, GBA games will have already been discontinued from stores for a good 3 or 4 years. But the previous generations games must be backwards compatible, mainly because it's not like they torch the land of the previous consoles games the second they arrive. Backwards compatibility allows for customer satisfaction and generates revenue for the company by still having their old games still be viable products.
The only reason I could see Sony not doing it is because even they think their PSP games are unpopular and nobody would care about playing them again.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 01, 2009, 03:38:09 PM
Although it is a fact that ANY hardware that plays disk media like the UMD, DVD, and CD will have shorter lifespans than one with less moving parts, ESPECIALLY a portable system.
Yeah just look at the life span of a 360 ZING!
Post by: Kairon on January 01, 2009, 03:43:15 PM
I like the new commercial, with the guy trying to convince his gf that his PS3 is really a movie-downloading device
Yeah, but I was shocked... they ended the commercial negatively. I mean... can they do that? Aren't commercials supposed to make their product look great for everyone, not putting their primary purchaser to sleep?
Post by: nickmitch on January 01, 2009, 04:46:20 PM
"This plays games!"
"No, it does everything."
"But it plays games."
"It plays everything."
"Including games."
"You can buy and download things."
"Like games?"
"Like everything."
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 01, 2009, 04:46:45 PM
I like the new commercial, with the guy trying to convince his gf that his PS3 is really a movie-downloading device
Yeah, but I was shocked... they ended the commercial negatively. I mean... can they do that? Aren't commercials supposed to make their product look great for everyone, not putting their primary purchaser to sleep?
Don't you get it Kai it's supposed to portray that stupid multimedia features like these put "hardcore gamers" to sleep. I can't wait to see a commercial for the horrible PS3 feature known as HOME.
The commercial kind of sums up Sony's whole philosophy.
"This plays games!"
"No, it does everything."
"But it plays games."
"It plays everything."
"Including games."
"You can buy and download things."
"Like games?"
"Like everything."
PS3's movie store thing had to happen at the worst timing though because it makes it seem that Sony is doing me "Me too" console against the 360 (I want to see 360 do remote play :P).
Post by: Deguello on January 01, 2009, 05:43:56 PM
You could ALSO do a post about how these are grabs at non-gamers, but even worse than Nintendo's apparent "non-gamer focus," because not only are they trying to get people who aren't playing games, they don't seem to want them to play games at all. "Casual" games, "non-games," whatever the label... are still GAMES. If I were a game maker, I want be as incensed about this commercial as I would about Sony basically encouraging people to not buy PSPs.
And digitally downloading movies? But what about Blu-Ray? Don't they have any confidence in this format?
This might actually be the most self-damaging commercial ever.
Edit: you just as I hit "post," it dawned on me that the guy in the commercial didn't want his girlfried/wife to know he was hooking up a game machine. Almost as if he were ASHAMED of video games. Is this what Sony thinks of their customers? Who greenlit this ad?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 01, 2009, 05:52:49 PM
Steam is brilliant. I actually buy PC games so it works for me. They have about 15 million accounts now, so other people like it too, apparently. And they put games on sale, too...Bioshock for PC is $5 right now. It's an anti-piracy measure, sure, but so is console hardware.
Agreed, PSP2 needs to be more rugged. The PSP is way too fragile. It amazed me that they gave it that beautiful screen, but no native way to protect it. The disc media isn't ideal, but I don't think it's terrible either. Cartridges/cards will always rule for portable devices of any kind. UMDs seem pointless now that you can get 4GB SD cards for less than $20 now.
Backwards compatibility is important, but will surely be handled by putting old games on PSN for download. Get away from UMD and let whoever wants last-gen games bad enough have access to them.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 01, 2009, 06:01:25 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 01, 2009, 06:15:24 PM
If Sony wants to boost PSP sales figures, a drop to $99 is a sure fire way to do it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 01, 2009, 06:20:15 PM
You drop prices to slow down a sinking ship, which DS is not. If sales are still this strong, you have to rethink what is "late in the life span"--we're probably not in the "late" portion yet.
PSP... well... it's making some money, but the software isn't driving the hardware sales, so as a platform, getting it in more peoples' hands isn't so big a deal. It's just another Sony gadget. Whereas on DS, the software and hardware work together to increase the userbase.
Post by: Kairon on January 01, 2009, 06:21:04 PM
You are severely over thinking these commercials, everyone knows what blu-ray is already is and while it isn't taking off well because of economy and a high barrier of entry and such. You have to realize that Microsoft and Sony is trying to position their consoles as a multimedia box and are offering a lot of different things to generate a profit.
I get that, but when even the people in a commercial are arguing over what a PS3 is meant for, what are everyday consumers to think?
You could do a big post about the 360 commercials and the PS3 commercials both featuring women in passive roles when it concerns playing video games, in that they are portrayed as wanting to watch a movie rather than play games, and how that relates to cultural stereotypes. (especially in that Sony commercial, where the men are seen as 30-year-old man-children falling asleep during a romantic comedy. COMEDY GOLD... for the playground. Girls are icky, right?)
You could ALSO do a post about how these are grabs at non-gamers, but even worse than Nintendo's apparent "non-gamer focus," because not only are they trying to get people who aren't playing games, they don't seem to want them to play games at all. "Casual" games, "non-games," whatever the label... are still GAMES. If I were a game maker, I want be as incensed about this commercial as I would about Sony basically encouraging people to not buy PSPs.
Hmm... maybe YOU should do the blog post? It sounds like you've already given this some thought...
What I don't really understand is how we're this late in the life span of the DS and PSP and yet neither one of them has dipped below the $99 threshold yet. Hasn't the GB/GBC/GBA reached that by this point in their life cycles?
If Sony wants to boost PSP sales figures, a drop to $99 is a sure fire way to do it.
Maybe the market has truly expanded. Nintendo's sales charts show that the DS is still peaking at a time when the GBA had passed its peak, almost as if someone took a bell curve and shoved the thing far to the right. The DS is still an insanely hot item, it's only running out of steam in Japan, hence the DSi.
As for Sony, cutting price on hardware to gain marketshare wouldn't help them. I don't know if they make enough on PSP game sales to begin with, and it seems that hardware profits on the PSP are the brightest spots for that unit right now.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 02, 2009, 04:16:38 AM
Edit: you just as I hit "post," it dawned on me that the guy in the commercial didn't want his girlfried/wife to know he was hooking up a game machine. Almost as if he were ASHAMED of video games. Is this what Sony thinks of their customers? Who greenlit this ad?
It gets funnier if you pursue that further: A system without wife approval factor isn't going to be attached to the main TV for any gamers with a wife in the house (whether the gamer's wife or the gamer's dad's wife) and HDTV adoption rates consider only if ANY TV in the house is HD. Usually the family TV is the most expensive one in the home while the secondaries are former main TVs so a family upgrading to HDTV would still have SDTVs as their secondaries and with a wife in the house the HD consoles are going to be relegated to the secondary TVs. The alternative is to declare the PS3 as a bluray player but then the system is unavailable for gaming when the family wants to watch TV, that's going to impact game sales in households like that.
Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2009, 04:32:48 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 08, 2009, 08:27:57 AM
I seem to recall them doing this at launch.I guess they never learn.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 08, 2009, 09:41:11 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 08, 2009, 10:20:06 PM
I have no idea why they didn't do this type of comparison at launch, when it actually meant something. Until they lower the price of their console these comparisons are meaningless, because that $400 price tag trumps everything.
What are you talking about Lindy? Sony DID do this at launch!
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 09, 2009, 11:56:43 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 10, 2009, 02:50:04 AM
Actually, maybe you're right Lindy. Sony might be being too high-minded in their advertising. They just need an ad that bashes it into peoples brains all the things a PS3 does. And I mean bashes. Like, not even be cute about it, explicitly state, straight-forward and almost infomercial like, all the things it can do. DVD Player, Bluray player, web browser, movie watcher, and end with game player, as if that's the culminating achievement?
I'll tell you what Sony should have done, is advertise it as game console. I know that is a novel idea, but believe it or not it works! Just ask MS and Nintendo.
Post by: Kairon on January 10, 2009, 03:15:41 AM
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Yeah, but in their marketing. They never really mentioned how much of a value proposition they were at the time. They just never spelled it out for people. Instead, they went with idiotically abstract "PLAY B3YOND" commercials that said nothing. Sony's marketing has been terrible since the Crash Bandicoot days.
IF anything this proves that advertising has little, if anything to do with market performance, with Sony's advertising being the same during their high successes and low points.
I also think price cuts won't yield the magical results that people think. Even if Sony could lower the price without taking on massive losses in a current economic struggle, it's not like the PS3 would suddenly sell 30 million units in order to give it an advantage over the competition. There aren't many good options here.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 10, 2009, 10:50:08 PM
Sony should have been doing "PC vs. Mac"-type ads right out of the gate.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 11, 2009, 01:24:16 AM
I think Sony's advertising was much better during the PSOne days. I remember watching those Crash Bandicoot ads and laughing out loud at them. They didn't rush out and buy a PSOne because of them, but they sure as heck made me aware of their product.
Sony should have been doing "PC vs. Mac"-type ads right out of the gate.
The problem is that they're the PC this generation, what with the clunky expensive machine that is more focused on "media" in general than video games. Still, they could remedy that with some clever marketing that focuses on their core audience (and put out more enticing exclusive games IMO), but they can't or won't. Their loss.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 11, 2009, 07:18:18 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2009, 07:44:43 PM
Sony has the best games you'll never hear about. Stuff like Resistance 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid 4 and LittleBigPlanet are all high-quality titles (they really are), but their problem is that they don't speak to anybody beyond the Sony faithful and/or their specific cult audiences. The PS3 has no Halo 3, no Wii Sports, nothing that breaks through to the mainstream and gets everyday people talking. Their virtually non-existent marketing doesn't help get the word out either. To this day people that buy a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player don't even know what games are available for the system.
I agree with you that the PS3 has some great games, but I think it's an even bigger pity that so many, including you, don't acknowledge Sony's inroads into the mainstream market. Well, it's not unexpected, for some reason Sony THEMSELVES haven't acknowledged established hit franchises like Singstar or Buzz. If Sony wants to break out of the mold that everyone's putting them in, I'd think that those two series would lead the charge, but I think it took forever for these games to get here from Europe.
Little Big Planet is really the most mainstream friendly thing I've seen Sony get behind. Why can't they embrace Singstar and Buzz like they embrace that game?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 11, 2009, 07:50:33 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2009, 08:00:34 PM
Sony has no intention to associate/promote casual entertainment with its sophisticated multi-billion-dollar non-casual console.
So instead they promote casual movie watching?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 11, 2009, 08:03:21 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2009, 08:04:21 PM
Nothing casual about high-end, high-priced HD home theater entertainment.
Except that the game is playing itself.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 11, 2009, 08:09:49 PM
Sony has the best games you'll never hear about. Stuff like Resistance 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid 4 and LittleBigPlanet are all high-quality titles (they really are), but their problem is that they don't speak to anybody beyond the Sony faithful and/or their specific cult audiences. The PS3 has no Halo 3, no Wii Sports, nothing that breaks through to the mainstream and gets everyday people talking. Their virtually non-existent marketing doesn't help get the word out either. To this day people that buy a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player don't even know what games are available for the system.
Yeah rehashed clones of other big games sure are some of the best games around. Maybe just MAYBE the reason why they don't speak to anyone beyond the Sony faithful is they can find those experiences elsewhere in another (usually better) form? Also when did MGS become a Sony franchise? The only unique game in that list is LBP. What is funny even the "Sony faithful" aren't even buying games like Resistance 2!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 11, 2009, 08:37:33 PM
Nothing casual about high-end, high-priced HD home theater entertainment.
Except that the game is playing itself.
You almost got me there, almost, but the standard price of entry for even the smallest of those components ($60 games) is still higher than the true casual competitors.
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2009, 09:05:09 PM
What is funny even the "Sony faithful" aren't even buying games like Resistance 2!
Yeah, at least we can count on Nintendo fans to keep buying and rebuying the same schlock over and over again.
*hugs copy of Animal Crossing Wii, but also stares in disbelief at Mario Party series*
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 11, 2009, 10:20:38 PM
Yeah rehashed clones of other big games sure are some of the best games around. Maybe just MAYBE the reason why they don't speak to anyone beyond the Sony faithful is they can find those experiences elsewhere in another (usually better) form? Also when did MGS become a Sony franchise? The only unique game in that list is LBP. What is funny even the "Sony faithful" aren't even buying games like Resistance 2!
Blah blah blah you hate Resistance 2...congratulations. Maybe you're rather play Animal Crossing: City Folk, or Mario Super Sluggers, or the GameCube games that literally being re-released on the Wii, since they aren't rehashes whatsoever.
I guess that by default anybody that owns an HDTV - even people that don't play video games - are automatically hardcore and could never be casual. Because HD anything is automatically hardcore. Just making sure I know The Rules.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 12, 2009, 05:26:19 AM
Lindy, one difference is that Nintendo rehashes from their earlier consoles, while the same experience is available elsewhere that elsewhere is in the past. What I think GP accused R2, SOCOM, MS: PF and DF: U of is that they're too similar to experiences one can get on a current system with different games.
Post by: Mario on January 12, 2009, 07:43:30 AM
So if somebody doDifference is Animal Crossing and Mario Baseball were actually good games to begin with. Resistance is worse than Perfect Dark Zero. Motorstorm 2 is also the worst racing game i've ever played, but hey I haven't played the first. Sony are benefiting from less people playing these crappy games because then they'd have an even worse image and nobody would ever come back. Sony KNOWS they have **** all for games and their best bet is to advertise illusions and promises. They're smart, but this generation consumers are smarter.Yeah rehashed clones of other big games sure are some of the best games around. Maybe just MAYBE the reason why they don't speak to anyone beyond the Sony faithful is they can find those experiences elsewhere in another (usually better) form? Also when did MGS become a Sony franchise? The only unique game in that list is LBP. What is funny even the "Sony faithful" aren't even buying games like Resistance 2!
Blah blah blah you hate Resistance 2...congratulations. Maybe you're rather play Animal Crossing: City Folk, or Mario Super Sluggers, or the GameCube games that literally being re-released on the Wii, since they aren't rehashes whatsoever.
I guess that by default anybody that owns an HDTV - even people that don't play video games - are automatically hardcore and could never be casual. Because HD anything is automatically hardcore. Just making sure I know The Rules.
Post by: Deguello on January 12, 2009, 08:11:01 AM
Post by: Pale on January 12, 2009, 10:18:35 AM
I will say it's the best 2D platform game I've played since Mario World though. I'll never understand why you guys hate on the PS3 soooo much. Obviously there are reasons to be frustrated, but it does have a TON of great games. The only way I'd buy the "it has no games" argument is if its coming from a 360 owner, as many of the best games are multiplatform.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 12, 2009, 10:43:30 AM
Sony's "casual" efforts come off as one trick ponies, they lucked out and got a design that people liked and because they are in birdman mode (they treat the market as a black box and only see what inputs led to good outputs so they replicate those inputs while Nintendo learned the inner workings of the box and uses those to determine which inputs are likely to see favourable outputs) they just endlessly sequelize it by releasing tons of different data sets for these games. What's worse is that their current hardware policy goes into the completely opposite direction with better graphics, online play, computer-like stuff, etc. The PS3's hardware does nothing to improve these games, they don't need more hardware than the PS2 offered and they're "party" games (i.e. not really for people who play alone in their room) so online play isn't a major addition. The 100€ PS2 and the 400€ PS3 are competing with basically the same performance for these markets.
I think the PS3 hardware has helped a lot, maybe not in the ways you appreciate, but the experience of playing all of those games is expanded greatly by what the PS3 can do. Resistance 2's multiplayer is crazy, 60-player deathmatches, 8-player co-op...if anything, the PS3's hardware allows the games to have more value for my gaming dollar.
Lindy, one difference is that Nintendo rehashes from their earlier consoles, while the same experience is available elsewhere that elsewhere is in the past. What I think GP accused R2, SOCOM, MS: PF and DF: U of is that they're too similar to experiences one can get on a current system with different games.
I still think rehashing is rehashing. I think people are way to easy on what they'll accept from Nintendo; they give us the same things over and over like anybody else. Of course, one of the reasons for Nintendo's recent success is that they've made all of their hardware proprietary so that their games literally can't be replicated elsewhere.
Post by: Deguello on January 12, 2009, 11:05:08 AM
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I think people are way to easy on what they'll accept from Nintendo; they give us the same things over and over like anybody else.
Except when they don't and we call them "non-games." :D
Post by: KDR_11k on January 12, 2009, 12:25:53 PM
I think the PS3 hardware has helped a lot, maybe not in the ways you appreciate, but the experience of playing all of those games is expanded greatly by what the PS3 can do. Resistance 2's multiplayer is crazy, 60-player deathmatches, 8-player co-op...if anything, the PS3's hardware allows the games to have more value for my gaming dollar.
I was talking about games like Buzz and SingStar which are definitely aimed at different audiences than Resistance 2. Would you say the PS3 is improving these two games in any way the PS2 is not capable of?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 12, 2009, 12:57:00 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2009, 02:44:05 PM
Changing control input isn't the only way that hardware can help a series innovate. It's just the most obvious.
*looks at Sony's controller history*
I'd say it's the least obvious, actually.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 12, 2009, 03:12:48 PM
Speaking of controller innovation, both games come with special controllers (Buzz comes with four TV-style buzzers with buttons corresponding to the anser options underneath and Singstar uses a microphone).
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 12, 2009, 04:12:47 PM
I don't know either one of those series from a hole in the ground so I couldn't tell you. But my guess is that the PS3's integrated online capabilities greatly expand what they can do in terms of DLC and online functionality, and the Blu-Ray discs likely allow the audio/video to be a higher quality as well. It expands what they can do with any concept, like the SNES hardware did with Super Mario World vs. Super Mario Bros. on the NES. Changing control input isn't the only way that hardware can help a series innovate. It's just the most obvious.
I have friends who only own a PS2 for these games, and, having played them myself, I can assure you that the PS3 isn't going to improve them in a way that matters to their fans. Buzz in particular could theoretically benefit from the larger storage medium, but filling all that space would take costly effort that is demonstrably unnecessary based on the huge number of questions already in the DVD based version. Higher quality isn't necessary in SingStar, since it's a game about hearing your own friends and family sing badly. There's some opportunity for DLC, since we're talking about a market that has already proven itself willing to buy multiple editions of the same game at full retail price, but that's not going to be enough to convince anyone to upgrade. Processing power is already wasted on the PS2. Online play would be a joke. These things are broken out at actual parties with snacks and everything, after all.
Even if Sony did everything else right, I still can't see the SingStar crowd upgrading until they can get a PS3 for $199 or less. Even then, they'd only upgrade if they both still cared for the series and didn't hate Sony for "forcing" them to upgrade by not making PS2 games anymore.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 16, 2009, 02:22:17 AM
1020k PSP units + 726k PS3 units + 410k PS2 units = 2156k total!
The Wii managed to sell 2150k units, so it was a REALLY close race, but unfortunately for Nintendo, Sony is now the market leader once again. And as for the poor Xbox 360? Well, it is in a DISTANT third place with 1440K units.
Hmm, but on the other hand, let's remember Wal-Mart and other stores aren't included in NPD, so it may be possible the Wii actually did beat the Playstation Family™ after all. I demand a recount!
Post by: Kairon on January 16, 2009, 02:43:05 AM
That's my point, all of those games were targeted solely at Sony diehards to begin with, so their buzz outside of that community is pretty much nil. Their equivalent on the Wii would be World of Goo and Zack & Wiki, high-quality games that will never do huge mainstream numbers.
I don't understand, are you talking about Buzz and Singstar? Because these two franchises have reached outside the "Sony diehards," and Buzz has actually exhbited a very Brain Age like long-term sales cycle, at least from the Presentation I sat in on last GDC.
I understand that these two games aren't quite in tune with the PS3 hardware initiative, but it's still Sony's loss that it they haven't tied these successful brands to their console.
Post by: EasyCure on January 16, 2009, 08:42:40 AM
Have you guys seen the latest NPD sales data for the month of December? It seems the Playstation Family™ has managed to outsell the Wii to become the market leader once again!
1020k PSP units + 726k PS3 units + 410k PS2 units = 2156k total!
The Wii managed to sell 2150k units, so it was a REALLY close race, but unfortunately for Nintendo, Sony is now the market leader once again. And as for the poor Xbox 360? Well, it is in a DISTANT third place with 1440K units.
Hmm, but on the other hand, let's remember Wal-Mart and other stores aren't included in NPD, so it may be possible the Wii actually did beat the Playstation Family™ after all. I demand a recount!
lulz
It was only a matter of time before they tried to skew numbers by throwing everything in a blender and calling it sales numbers.
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Post by: matt oz on January 17, 2009, 12:37:26 PM
I recently bought Sony brand component cables for my PS2, since it now looks like crap on my LCD HDTV. The box says "For Playstation 3 and Playstation 2." Call me crazy, but I took this to mean that the cables worked on all PS2s.
Turns out, my PS2 is one of the very few older models that doesn't support progressive scan. Are you kidding me? What is with Sony and making so many goddamn iterations of their consoles that they have wildly different features?
Something like this would maybe make me consider purchasing a PS3, if they still even had backwards compatibility. At least then I could get the 3 PS3 games that interest me and play my PS2 games upscaled. But that's not even possible anymore. WTF?
I purchased the cables online, so I'd have to pay shipping to return them, and I really hate doing that. I e-mailed Sony, so I hope they can do something about it.
Post by: vudu on January 19, 2009, 02:07:59 PM
I e-mailed Sony, so I hope they can do something about it.
You can buy more of their ****. Preferably the more expensive stuff.
Post by: matt oz on January 19, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
I e-mailed Sony, so I hope they can do something about it.
You can buy more of their ****. Preferably the more expensive stuff.
That's actually what they told me. They said, "we would recommend trying another set of licensed component cables." Why on earth would I spend more money on something that won't work? I e-mailed them mainly to notify them that their packaging is misleading regarding older models of the PS2, and I also asked if they could refund my money (I don't expect them to, but I figured it was worth a try). Now they've gone and tried to swindle me into buying more of their crap. Unbelievable.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 22, 2009, 12:18:16 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 22, 2009, 03:32:15 PM
>> Sony expects $29 billion operating loss (http://www.business24-7.ae/articles/2009/1/pages/sonyexpects$29billionoperatingloss.aspx)
2.9 ...was about to say is this the end with 29. ;-)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 22, 2009, 03:40:57 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 23, 2009, 04:00:25 AM
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 23, 2009, 04:14:00 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 23, 2009, 04:33:38 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 23, 2009, 06:40:55 AM
Sony declares itself gaming industry leader (http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/kaz-has-gone-insane/).
And in other news, a nerd has just declared himself the coolest kid at school. *yawn*
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 23, 2009, 10:45:12 PM
Microsoft is beginning to make money on the Xbox 360...which means it is about time to release a new product at the end of 2010.
Nintendo is going to release some sort of Wii 2, which will just be an upgraded HD Wii with hardware equal to the Xbox 360 1.5 in 2010.
Finally, Sony will have to bear with the PS3 until 2011-12 just to make a profit after the years of losses.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 23, 2009, 11:22:48 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 24, 2009, 01:23:53 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 24, 2009, 04:45:41 AM
As for the 2010 prediction, people should stop using two data points to extrapolate a line. MS wanted to launch ahead of Sony, they weren't just doing it because they wanted a 4 year cycle. Nintendo has no reason to release a new console, upgrading the graphics won't do jack for them because the graphics have overshot the consumer and introducing other steps would only make sense if there's a reason to believe that Sony and MS would actually make ground on the Wii's territory. Their last chance for that this generation was at E3 2008, they wasted it. Doesn't look like they're going to figure out how to do it either.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 24, 2009, 04:52:58 AM
I can see the PS3 having a 10-year life cycle. Why not? The PS2's life cycle is at 9 years. It doesn't mean that they can't release the PS4 in two or three years.
Because historically the last place system (heck even the second place system) are pretty much dropped in favor of the next generation of consoles. The PS2 was market leader by a TON with millions upon millions of systems sold, while the PS3 is struggling to even surpass Gamecube in total sales.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 25, 2009, 01:22:01 AM
I think the PS3 will be around for a while. I think it has a lot of life in it. Remember, Nintendo has established that graphics aren't as important, so theoretically the PS3's graphics capabilities should be fine for years in this new "blue ocean" world.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 25, 2009, 03:37:06 AM
Post by: Pale on January 25, 2009, 11:03:19 AM
I mean, if the 360 had all of the same motion tech and games like wii sports, then it would probably sell better than Wii. That's an imaginary world though.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 25, 2009, 11:38:09 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2009, 06:21:05 AM
Anyone remember the Neo-Geo? It was a weird 24-bit system which was supposed to be like an arcade you could have in your living room, and the games often cost like $400 PER CARTRIDGE. Not many people had it, but that system was around FOREVER during the 1990s. It was a niche system, and I guess the few people who did actually buy it were able to keep the system alive. It was an extremely niche system, but its longevity was unparalled in its day.
The PS3 COULD survive as a niche system. Heck, Nintendo could have given the GC a 10 year life span and probably could have made a profit on it for another 5 years. But it wouldn't have made much sense, because when your system is unpopular it makes more sense to come out with something new and fresh. When Sony says the PS3 will have a 10 year life, they might not be lying, but that still doesn't necessarily mean the PS3 will ever rise above 3rd place.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 26, 2009, 06:57:35 AM
From what I understand the Neogeo was never intended to be sold to end users though, maybe rented for parties when a full arcade cabinet would be too heavy.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 19, 2009, 09:57:08 PM
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The executive painted a particularly bleak picture of the PlayStation brand at retail, saying retail partners have characterized it as "hemorrhaging," in part because many existing PlayStation 2 owners are migrating to Xbox 360 rather than PlayStation 3.source (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22833)
"You can't underestimate that we're half the price of the PS3 at a time when consumers were looking for great value," he said. "The PS3 was down in February two percent even with the launch of Killzone 2 -- that's months of year-over-year declines. Xbox continues to head north while the PS3 is heading south. We're gaining share."
"But what we hear from our partners is that it's not just PS3, it's also PS2 down 62 percent year over year," he continued. "With that business declining, and with the PS3 business declining, it's been described to me as hemorrhaging at retail right now, and it just keeps getting worse.
"What we're finding in our research is that a large portion of the volume we're driving with Xbox 360 purchasers is actually PS2 owners choosing Xbox for the next generation. We're switching people from the PlayStation brand over to the Xbox brand."
I thought they were mostly heading over to the Wii, seeing where most of the hardware and software sales are going...
Post by: oohhboy on March 20, 2009, 03:51:29 AM
The whole thing is the equivalent of taking credit for making the sun shine.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 20, 2009, 04:25:35 AM
I thought they were mostly heading over to the Wii, seeing where most of the hardware and software sales are going...
Doesn't contradict what they're saying, they are converting PS2 users, they didn't claim to be the biggest converter.
That entire statement is retarded. Of course most of them are coming from Playstation, it won last gen. Of course PS2 is fading, it's next gen.
The whole thing is the equivalent of taking credit for making the sun shine.
Well, it's not guaranteed, they could just as well have ended up with a subset of the XBox 1's userbase or maybe eaten the Gamecube's. Of course their growth most likely comes from PS2 owners. It also reveals something else: The core market is not growing.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 20, 2009, 04:47:05 AM
The non-casuals are not growing.
Pac-Man SHITS casuals.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2009, 01:06:50 PM
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Until October 1 2008, video game publishers who wanted to offer downloadable content on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 didn’t have to worry about getting a bill from Microsoft and Sony.Sony needs to break even at all cost, so I guess hard times call for cold hard cash.
The million-plus downloads that a popular demo or map pack might receive could delight gamers, but rack up some expensive bandwidth costs. No problem: the publishers, who already pay a licensing fee to get their games on the two big platforms, could count on the platform holders — Microsoft and Sony — to pay the cost of piping that digital content to gamers.
That situation changed with the PS3 on October 1 of last year, when Sony implemented a 16 cents per Gigabyte fee to publishers for paid and free downloadable content, according to publishing sources familiar with Sony’s policy.
Game publishers are not happy about it.
Anyone think his is gonna limit the amount of content on PSN especially if its more niche?
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2009, 01:27:14 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 20, 2009, 01:30:05 PM
Pac-Man eats the non-casuals.
The non-casuals are not growing.
Pac-Man SHITS casuals.
Also it doesn't help that Pacman sucks as well (Oh no I dint!).
In regards to this issue, it goes to show you that all the crap Nintendo gets for doing weird and seemingly dumb things Sony nor MS are immune to stupid choices themselves.
Post by: vudu on March 20, 2009, 01:44:33 PM
Anyone think his is gonna limit the amount of content on PSN especially if its more niche?
I think it will more likely hurt demos for major games. Most of these demos weight in at at least a Gig. About a month ago it was reported that the Resident Evil 5 demo was downloaded 4 million times on the 360 and PS3 (http://kotaku.com/5159133/resident-evil-5-demo-proves-somewhat-popular). If we assume half of those downloads occurred on the PS3, that's a bill for Capcom of $320,000.
A niche game will still likely get demos because A) there won't be nearly as many downloads and B) the demo will likely influence a sale more so than with a major game where the high sales are assumed. I mean really--how many of those RE5 demos actually caused a sale? Probably not many. Most people who were going to buy the game knew they were going to buy it before they played the demo.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2009, 02:34:56 PM
BNM I think that Sony is really struggling to make a profit; MS to a lesser extent.I think this will backfire on MS and Sony.Nintendo will benefit from this situation.But MS doesn't charge the Publisher, they charge the consumer. $50 a year for LIVE right?
Nintendo doesn't really do demos and most of their downloads are pretty small as it is.
Maybe this will make those HD developers stop bloating all their code(since they have soo much space) and optimize a little better.
I think it will more likely hurt demos for major games. Most of these demos weight in at at least a Gig. About a month ago it was reported that the Resident Evil 5 demo was downloaded 4 million times on the 360 and PS3 (http://kotaku.com/5159133/resident-evil-5-demo-proves-somewhat-popular). If we assume half of those downloads occurred on the PS3, that's a bill for Capcom of $320,000.Thats makes sense, I'm sure a smaller developer wouldn't mind as much if it got their unheard of game more recognition & more sasles.
A niche game will still likely get demos because A) there won't be nearly as many downloads and B) the demo will likely influence a sale more so than with a major game where the high sales are assumed. I mean really--how many of those RE5 demos actually caused a sale? Probably not many. Most people who were going to buy the game knew they were going to buy it before they played the demo.
I wonder how much demoes and DLC for something like GTAIV ended up costing R* & T2.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2009, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 20, 2009, 05:43:59 PM
BNM I think that Sony is really struggling to make a profit; MS to a lesser extent.I think this will backfire on MS and Sony.Nintendo will benefit from this situation.But MS doesn't charge the Publisher, they charge the consumer. $50 a year for LIVE right?
Nintendo doesn't really do demos and most of their downloads are pretty small as it is.
Maybe this will make those HD developers stop bloating all their code(since they have soo much space) and optimize a little better.
Unfortunately they don't bloat the code HD assets take up more space compared to SD assets since textures are biggest amongst other things. Why do you think Blue Dragon is 3 double layered DVDs (about 22GB) and Lost Odyssey is 4 double layered DVDs(about 27.5GB), it's because of all the HD cutscenes both games have.
I don't think MS charges for companies to put on demoes, but Sony does. If any transaction is done on any service regardless if its xbox live, PSN or the Nintendo Shop the owner of those services will always get some royalties.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 20, 2009, 06:03:53 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 04, 2009, 07:59:55 PM
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If Nintendo is really committed to reaching a broader, more diverse audience of gamers beyond the “kids” market that they’ve always engaged, there isn’t much new with the DSi to support that. Significant gamer demographic groups are being ignored, and there continues to be limited opportunities for games from external publishers to do well on the DSi. Compare that with the PSP platform, where we have many blockbuster franchises from our publishing partners launching this year, representing a wide variety of genres and targeting diverse demographics. Games such as Rock Band Unplugged from MTV Games, Assassin’s Creed from Ubisoft, Dissidia Final Fantasy from Square Enix, and Hannah Montana from Disney demonstrate the commitment that publishers have to the PSP. From our own first-party studios, we’re launching unique versions of LittleBigPlanet and MotorStorm, and we’re also planning a steady stream of downloadable games — both new titles and PSone classics — to add to the content that PSP owners can already purchase wirelessly through PlayStation Store. - SCEA director of hardware marketing John Koller
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 04, 2009, 08:52:27 PM
Rock Band Unplugged will be a spin off I am somewhat interested, Assassin's Creed could be good, I want Dissidia FF, and I have no idea why Sony would use Hannah Montana as a killer app except for the casual crowd. SCEA's track record of releasing PSone games is abysmal, if people are complaining about 1 game a week on virtual console, I think they would lose their mind how many titles Sony releases on PSN. SCEJ does a good job with PSone games on PSN, SCEE does somewhat of a good job.
Post by: Deguello on April 05, 2009, 05:37:37 AM
It's a rather feeble attempt, and indicative of the kind of crap Sega pulled back in the day. And we all know how THAT turned out, right? It's not to say the PSP itself hasn't made inroads, but considering the rather paltry lineup in that little presser (Hannah Montana? Really?) it definitely seems like they are grasping at straws to stay relevant software-wise.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 05, 2009, 05:52:07 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 05, 2009, 10:21:11 AM
At least MS tends to be polite when talking about Nintendo most of the time, even giving them praise. It is like Sony is still stuck in arrogant mode.
I disagree, Aaron Greenberg (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19266) is always mudslinging other companies. He mudslings PS3 the most and flip flops on the Wii, first it's a console for kids and doesn't capture the 13 - 33 year old market, then Microsoft and Nintendo are leading the market. The only Microsoft exec well now former exec that really liked the Wii is Peter Moore.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 06, 2009, 12:18:23 PM
It's a rather feeble attempt, and indicative of the kind of crap Sega pulled back in the day. And we all know how THAT turned out, right? It's not to say the PSP itself hasn't made inroads, but considering the rather paltry lineup in that little presser (Hannah Montana? Really?) it definitely seems like they are grasping at straws to stay relevant software-wise.
One thing that you shouldn't do when criticizing another company's lineup as "kiddie" is trumpet a Hannah Montana game coming to your system as if that makes you "hardcore" or something.
Well, then again, Miley Cyrus does drink booze and dress mature and provacatively, so maybe he does have a point.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 15, 2009, 12:10:52 PM
Sony reports first loss in 14 years
$1 billion down the loo
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2009, 03:04:04 PM
Sony needs to figure out a way to reduce manufacturing cost & simultaneously increase value for the PS3 while finding a way to sell more games asap. Maybe a slimline PS3 is just what they need as long as it finally features competent PS2 backwards compatibility and a game and/or some PSN cash packed in.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 15, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
And people are expecting a PS3 price drop... SONY can't afford it. MS had a price drop & trust me when I say it didn't help much, and now that the price has been dropped, you can't raise it back up.
Sony needs to figure out a way to reduce manufacturing cost & simultaneously increase value for the PS3 while finding a way to sell more games asap. Maybe a slimline PS3 is just what they need as long as it finally features competent PS2 backwards compatibility and a game and/or some PSN cash packed in.
I don't know why they don't pack more games in, from a materials perspective it is cheap but adds value.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 15, 2009, 03:42:45 PM
I don't know why they don't pack more games in, from a materials perspective it is cheap but adds value.
I would say because then people would be less likely to buy games. Sony loses money on the hardware, so they want to make sure people buy software, so that means they can't give it away for free.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 15, 2009, 03:44:15 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2009, 03:50:43 PM
or how about a $50 trade-in credit for a working PS2 when purchasing a PS3slim. Didn't gamestop just have a similar deal with a DS for DSi trade-in? that worked out pretty good. People like to think they are getting a deal.
edit: A rebate. those always trick people into paying full price, but then they are too lazy to send in for the actual rebate.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 15, 2009, 04:13:49 PM
Pack-ins are unnecessary when everyone's working 3 jobs.
I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but that is a very good point. With the economy being the way it is, $60 games and $30 bru-ray movies are practically the last thing on anyone's mind. A lot of Nintendo's success may be due not just to the price of their console, but to the price of their games as well. If you're struggling, can you afford to spend $59 on games? Maybe not. Can you afford $49? That's a little more likely.
And thus the Wii is the market leader. The lesson is consumers want lower priced games.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 15, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
Post by: broodwars on May 15, 2009, 05:59:28 PM
The thing about the PS3 price, though, is that I can see Sony's point of view on the thing: I paid just a little over $400 combined for the full experience, and I still feel like I got a good value. Hell, it's certainly been a better value that I've had with the Wii over the past few years, with (in my opinion) its relative handful of excellent but short and usually-shallow games. It's just hard to sell people on the PS3's value when you have $60 games, most of which are available on the cheaper 360 for the same price if not cheaper (360 games seem to drop in price a lot quicker for some reason) and negligible graphical/audio differences. I've lucked out that with proper planning and strategic use of store credit I've yet to pay more than $40 for any of my games, but to me that tag stings more than the hardware cost.
This may sound like a bizarre and unreasonable idea, but what if Sony did the following:
1. Bite the bullet and do a $100 price cut on the PS3 main model. Release a model at the existing price as well that has PS2 backwards compatibility for those that want it (unfortunately, I don't think complete software emulation of the PS2 will work as it does for the PS1).
2. Work out a deal with developers for the PS3 that will relax the licensing fees for developing games on the platform. I think Sony could make some real headway if they could undercut Microsoft with $50-$55 games, especially since the two have a lot of multiplatform releases as it is. The higher sales of those games would counterbalance the lost revenue from the licensing fees.
3. Sony needs to stop being so arrogant. They're not Number 1 anymore, and they're not going to be anytime soon. Compared to Nintendo and even to an extent Microsoft, Sony comes off as cold and unfriendly, which doesn't endear themselves to customers or developers.
Ugh...I can feel myself rambling without a point in sight. Damn 14-hour work days...and it's only going to get worse very soon. Basically, the PS3's a great system that Sony has allowed to get overshadowed by its price through truly terrible Public Relations and Marketing. Until Sony changes its attitude and business strategy, that's not going to change.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 16, 2009, 12:22:04 AM
Sony's biggest problem is that they don't have any exclusive games that are system sellers beyond maybe MGS4, and that's on the low end of that spectrum. They've got a decent group of games that are good and you'd buy if you had a PS3 but nothing to push people over the edge and make them buy the hardware.
Looking at the current lineup of games on the PS3 I don't think it would even be worth it to me to buy a hypothetical $300 model with backwards compatibility unless Sony has a spectacular E3.
Post by: broodwars on May 16, 2009, 12:48:20 AM
There's just no way Sony will do both 1 and 2, taking more of a loss on the hardware and making less money on the one thing they make money on. They really need to do 3 regardless of whatever else they do.
Sony's biggest problem is that they don't have any exclusive games that are system sellers beyond maybe MGS4, and that's on the low end of that spectrum. They've got a decent group of games that are good and you'd buy if you had a PS3 but nothing to push people over the edge and make them buy the hardware.
Looking at the current lineup of games on the PS3 I don't think it would even be worth it to me to buy a hypothetical $300 model with backwards compatibility unless Sony has a spectacular E3.
I know Sony dropping their license fees in particular is extremely unlikely, but consider that Sony needs to give developers an incentive to develop exclusively on their platform, or at the very least develop on their platform at all. Allowing them to sell more units at a lower price could do that, especially since buying exclusives isn't really practical anymore. At the very least, Sony needs to do this because I think the PS3 can stay at the price it is at if gamers can be shown that there are savings and value in the PS3 experience.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 16, 2009, 12:52:48 AM
Post by: broodwars on May 16, 2009, 01:12:23 AM
With the worldwide economy the way it is, convincing anyone to do major HD games exclusively for PS3 is almost a pipe dream. Few are going to want to jump on a sinking ship which PS3 is.
Well, I don't know about that. The 360's days are numbered now, with nothing really of interest left that's exclusive to it. Meanwhile, the PS3's powerful enough to have legs for quite a few more years yet, so it has longeavity. Besides, if the Wii could sell the way it has with the library it has, I'll believe anything's possible.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 16, 2009, 01:26:10 AM
With the worldwide economy the way it is, convincing anyone to do major HD games exclusively for PS3 is almost a pipe dream. Few are going to want to jump on a sinking ship which PS3 is.
Well, I don't know about that. The 360's days are numbered now, with nothing really of interest left that's exclusive to it. Meanwhile, the PS3's powerful enough to have legs for quite a few more years yet, so it has longeavity. Besides, if the Wii could sell the way it has with the library it has, I'll believe anything's possible.
First off, I have to say it's really stupid to be making judgments about a console's library 3 weeks before E3. Second, the PS3's list of exclusives is no better than the 360's, and if neither console has a significant lineups of exclusives the 360 will continue to outsell the PS3 because it's less expensive. Third, Microsoft would love to let this generation continue on like Sony would but Microsoft will end it and begin a new one in the next couple years just to screw Sony and as a possible side benefit maybe gain some ground on Nintendo. Fourth, and last, while all this is going on Nintendo will amass so much money that they will invent and build their own fleet of solid-gold Airships.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 16, 2009, 01:35:13 AM
Also the Wii statement is ridiculous at best, the Wii has been selling so well because it has games that expands the audience, just because broodwars doesn't like them doesn't make them worthless.
Post by: broodwars on May 16, 2009, 01:52:25 AM
Also the Wii statement is ridiculous at best, the Wii has been selling so well because it has games that expands the audience, just because broodwars doesn't like them doesn't make them worthless.
I've made no secret of the fact that the Wii's library just isn't for me outside a few key titles, and honestly I don't think it's for most people who grew up with games. In the past I've tried to articulate exactly why this is, and I have been unsuccessful in putting together my thoughts in a coherent manner. It wasn't until recently (oddly enough, while playing Dead Space) that I realized what the problem is: most Wii games are like candy. They're fun and entertaining in short bursts, but when you get down to it there's little of substance there and the experience is over fairly quickly (plus, it's easy to develop Wiimote arthritus). If you're into that sort of thing, good for you but they just don't have the length and depth of the kind of games I enjoy and come back to time and time again. I have a massive backlog of PS2 games, and combined with my growing PS3 library it's likely that I'll never play them all to completion. It's comforting, though, to know that I could pick any 2 or 3 of them and just game the hell out of a given day/weekend without growing bored or artificially tired from controller waggling. I just don't get the same sort of satisfaction with Wii games, as they're developed for this completely different audience that finds comfort in mediocrity. That's not to say there aren't good/great games in the Wii's library and there's sure to be more, which is why I still have my system (though it's out on loan at the moment). It's that most Wii games are content to be 7-8 hour spastic waggle-thons and little more. I just hope we have more games of substance on the horizon like Arc Rise Fantasia; Fragile; and (I hope) the Conduit. Hopefully, E3 will be that (god I hate to use this cliche) beacon of light.
Post by: Deguello on May 16, 2009, 02:19:45 AM
To limit yourself to one platform is actually a smart move. It allows intense focus and doesn't fall prey to lowest-common-denominator problems. A lot of companies best work and most beloved (and highest selling) came from a time of their exclusivity or at least hard focus on one platform, with little dalliance in anything else. This is all well and good, provided that platform has a large userbase. But without one, focusing on that particular console is retarded, no matter how loud those fanboys are, and this was even true of Nintendo fans back int he day.
The PS3, obviously, does not have one. So making exclusives for it is stupid. I'd say it should be lucky to get what it has got, as some third parties would rather risk financial collapse than not make PS3 games, even beyond all rationality, whereas other companies in a similar position would have been dropped at the first sign of slight sales momentum loss.
Post by: broodwars on May 16, 2009, 02:25:26 AM
The PS3, obviously, does not have one. So making exclusives for it is stupid. I'd say it should be lucky to get what it has got, as some third parties would rather risk financial collapse than not make PS3 games, even beyond all rationality, whereas other companies in a similar position would have been dropped at the first sign of slight sales momentum loss.
The thing is, I think the PS3 does have that audience in those people who bought the PS2. The problem is that Sony shot themselves in the foot when they removed backwards compatibility and put out such an expensive system, and the 360 has benefited from this monumental screw-up. That's why I think the PS3 needs a price drop one way or another, be it a drop in the price of games or in the hardware itself. We'll have to see what E3 brings, but I don't think the PS3 is dead yet. It's certainly headed that way, so that's why I've been talking about things Sony can do to potentially save it.
Post by: broodwars on May 16, 2009, 02:28:53 AM
Unfortunately, broodwars, your personal preference is a separate issue to that of Sony losing a lot of money and just the raw financial risk that is making PS3 exclusives.
I don't believe I ever said my gaming preferences were connected to the PS3's fortunes. I was just refuting GoldenPhoenix's claim that I thought the Wii's library was "worthless." I don't find it worthless, just largely unsatisfying and not really my cup of tea.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 16, 2009, 03:40:26 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 16, 2009, 03:41:40 AM
2. Work out a deal with developers for the PS3 that will relax the licensing fees for developing games on the platform. I think Sony could make some real headway if they could undercut Microsoft with $50-$55 games, especially since the two have a lot of multiplatform releases as it is. The higher sales of those games would counterbalance the lost revenue from the licensing fees.
I don't think the 60$ price comes from license fees, just publishers figuring they can up the price because now games are OMG HD!!! so people will pay more for them.
Post by: mac<censored> on May 16, 2009, 04:06:57 AM
The PS3, obviously, does not have one. So making exclusives for it is stupid. I'd say it should be lucky to get what it has got, as some third parties would rather risk financial collapse than not make PS3 games, even beyond all rationality, whereas other companies in a similar position would have been dropped at the first sign of slight sales momentum loss.
I agree, but I'll bet a lot of developers made long-term plans and investments back when ps2 was king, before it became clear that the ps3 would be in distant 3rd place for this generation.
I presume that it's not particularly easy to change course in midstream, so perhaps some of them just decided to stick it out, hoping desperately that the ps3 would suddenly start selling. Not such a great plan as it turns out, but maybe this wasn't so clear a while back?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 16, 2009, 10:52:31 AM
With the worldwide economy the way it is, convincing anyone to do major HD games exclusively for PS3 is almost a pipe dream. Few are going to want to jump on a sinking ship which PS3 is.
Well, I don't know about that. The 360's days are numbered now, with nothing really of interest left that's exclusive to it. Meanwhile, the PS3's powerful enough to have legs for quite a few more years yet, so it has longeavity. Besides, if the Wii could sell the way it has with the library it has, I'll believe anything's possible.
The PS3 isn't noticeably more powerful than the 360. The Cell processor certainly is, but its power is bottlenecked because of the limitations of the other components, so it can't really make the most of it. The Cell processor has, however, succeeded in making developing for the system more difficult and expensive due to it being a very complicated architecture to work with. The 360 on the other hand isn't far removed from a PC, so you're likely to see a lot of PC --> 360 ports that Sony's console just isn't going to get.
In terms of easiness to develop for, I think it would go like this:
Wii --> 360 --> PS3
The Wii is by far the easiest to develop for. Nintendo has done an excellent job of that, and the lack of HD also helps a lot too. The 360 is harder because of it being HD and stuff, but still a lot easier than the rat's nest that is PS3.
Post by: MikeHrusecky on May 16, 2009, 07:11:04 PM
If the comparison is strictly to Nintendo, then sure it looks pretty bad. But Sony does a lot more stuff. I don't know how their game business did specifically and how it factored into the $1.7B, but the PS3 isn't the sole reason or the sole answer to pull them back out. There are things they can improve across the board, but mainly the economy needs to percolate again too.
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 16, 2009, 07:28:10 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2009, 09:46:23 PM
There were other departments at Sony that were profitable(or broke even) from time to time, but now even the PlayStation dept. is losing money, so you know that they are hurting.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 17, 2009, 08:08:08 AM
Post by: Stogi on May 17, 2009, 05:14:32 PM
Just saying...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 17, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
Just sayin
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 17, 2009, 06:40:52 PM
That's what people said about Nintendo last gen.....
Just saying...
Except the difference is that Nintendo never lost money last gen, Sony has yet to profit with their video game division this gen and now the company itself is losing money. Even when Nintendo was in third they were still making a profit.
Post by: mac<censored> on May 17, 2009, 07:13:07 PM
Sony's no Nintendo.
Hell, for the last decade or so, Sony's no Sony!
[Hard to say when the rot began, but it seems to curiously coincide with the introduction of the playstation...]
Akio Morita would be so ashamed...
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 18, 2009, 09:00:37 AM
Sony's no Nintendo.
Just sayin
Exactly. The Gamecube did hold an important advantage that the PS3 has yet to achieve: it was a money-maker. It may have been in third place, but it was always profitable. The PS3 is in 3rd place but is not yet profitable, and its uncertain whether it will ever be profitable.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 18, 2009, 09:03:03 AM
Hell, for the last decade or so, Sony's no Sony!
[Hard to say when the rot began, but it seems to curiously coincide with the introduction of the playstation...]
Akio Morita would be so ashamed...
Probably has something to do with the insanity of Ken Kutaragi. If that man hasn't been committed to a mental hospital yet he definitely should be...
Post by: KDR_11k on May 18, 2009, 10:51:07 AM
Post by: mac<censored> on May 18, 2009, 12:12:29 PM
Probably has something to do with the insanity of Ken Kutaragi. If that man hasn't been committed to a mental hospital yet he definitely should be...
That seems to be pretty much how he was thought of inside Sony too...
According to a friend that worked at SCE Japan (on PS3 development), basically Kutaragi ran SCE quite independently from the rest of Sony, with a very different style -- more glitter and less sweat (even physically, SCE was in a seperate building, in the expensive and fashionable Aoyama section of Tokyo) -- and the old-school Sony guys hated Kutaragi's guts. Sadly, SCE was (at the time at least) simply bringing in too much money to ignore, and apparently Sony bet just a bit too much of the company on it...
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 18, 2009, 02:23:35 PM
I'm not going to complain, though, because as a Nintendo fan its good to see Sony at the bottom and Nintendo back on top. Kinda makes you wonder if Kutaragi wasn't actually a Nintendo agent, or something.
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 18, 2009, 02:57:35 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2009, 02:56:33 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2hgv6ur.jpg)
& the story
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/ps3-bested-by-older-brother/1315218
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2009, 04:05:08 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2009, 04:28:25 AM
This is a 30-yr strategy.tortoise & the hare.
Wii exploded out the gate, they will burn bright, but burn out early.
PS3 shall stick to the plan. Easy does it, slow & steady. its a marathon & not a sprint.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 19, 2009, 09:53:46 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 19, 2009, 10:11:44 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2009, 11:25:07 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 19, 2009, 12:40:37 PM
This is a 30-yr strategy.
I don't even believe their claims it will have a 10-year lifespan. The Sony execs will say anything to make it look like the PS3 will be a success, but they can see the writing on the wall and you just now they are quietly laboring away on the PS4. I'm sure they will want to get it out on the market before or at least not too long after the next Xbox comes out.
Sony fans can say what they want, but the fact is the PS3 is only marginally more powerful than the 360, at best. If MS is going to release a 360 successor in 3 years then there's no way the PS3 will be able to compete, graphically speaking. Of course, by then Nintendo will also have its own HD system out. The PS3 will have a 5 year lifespan.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2009, 12:47:04 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on May 19, 2009, 12:55:42 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 19, 2009, 01:29:50 PM
Come on, HD? The next wii will probably have a built-in abacus below the system clock. Channels will be replaced with a radio dial.
I think that would be pretty cool. Here is hoping that is true!
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 19, 2009, 11:52:48 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on May 20, 2009, 01:40:53 AM
I suppose you also want the next wii to have Wii Petroglyph and a dino-hunting game packed in too.
"So easy a nongamer could do it"
Post by: Stogi on May 20, 2009, 06:49:22 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/18/article-1036208-01FEF87700000578-69_468x306.jpg)
But instead of murder, I would help euthanize PS3s' wanting to go into that gentle night.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2009, 12:03:21 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 21, 2009, 12:51:30 AM
I'd rather have the Wii 2 be more like Minority Report.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/18/article-1036208-01FEF87700000578-69_468x306.jpg)
But instead of murder, I would help euthanize PS3s' wanting to go into that gentle night.
Technically you can do a minority 2 report type of thing with the Wii remote already.
Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2009, 03:01:18 AM
Also, I've seen those videos, and they are FTW.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 21, 2009, 11:14:00 PM
Bunch of cavemen here^
I suppose you also want the next wii to have Wii Petroglyph and a dino-hunting game packed in too.
"So easy a nongamer could do it"
You had me a Dino.
Post by: King of Twitch on May 21, 2009, 11:16:03 PM
You had me a Dino.
But I hardly know you!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2009, 05:24:44 PM
Quote
"I think the consumer wants to see better value on the PlayStation 3." -Mike Griffith, Activision Publishing
"[We're] disappointed," Sega of America's VP of Marketing Sean Ratcliffe told us. "I just think it must be hard for Sony to balance three live platforms – that's not something Nintendo or Microsoft have to contend with. ... I think from a platform point of view, we would like to see Sony sell more PS3s. It's good for us as a publisher. We think it's a great [machine] and that for consumers, if they hit a sweet spot with price point that would bring more consumers to that platform. I think because of the success of PS2 people were automatically expecting PS3 to be the natural successor, and that actually really hasn't happened yet."
He continued, "We need as many consoles out there as possible so our games [can sell to a larger installed base] so I hope they do something on price, especially in this economy. It's really tough. I was talking to some of our counterparts in Europe and I think in Spain the unemployment rate is going be around 20% by the end of this year. And so it's not just the console itself; you have to invest in the TV and so on. I think Sony needs to recognize that and hopefully do something about it this year."
When we met with Activision Publishing boss Mike Griffith and asked him for his reaction to the lack of a price cut from Sony, we observed noticeable disappointment in his face. He sighed and answered, "Yeah, I think the consumer wants to see better value on that platform. It's really up to Sony to figure out what they'll do with the price. ... History would say they'll get there."
Bobby Kotick, Chief Executive of Activision Blizzard was more direct, telling Bloomberg without specifically naming PS3, "I was disappointed not to see any sort of aggressive price cutting. Of all the things that the hardware companies need to be doing right now, it's recognizing the difficulties of the economy and pricing their hardware appropriately."
Retailers of course would like to be able to move more units as well. GameStop, the largest video game retailer in the world, is likely tired of seeing dust accumulating on their PS3 boxes.
"The hardware price points, where they are right now given this economic environment, are too high," added GameStop Chief Executive Officer Daniel DeMatteo. "If the platform holders are going to make the numbers that they've forecasted for the year, those numbers will have to change."
Despite the considerable outcry for a price drop from gamers and the industry itself, Sony Computer Entertainment boss Kaz Hirai maintains that Sony is pleased with the current price. "We're very happy with the price point that we have," he said to Bloomberg. "We will move when we think it's appropriate at some point in time."
And here we go again....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 08, 2009, 05:42:59 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 08, 2009, 06:04:40 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 08, 2009, 06:20:29 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 24, 2009, 12:01:23 AM
Quote from: Kotakus' live blog of Sonys' TGS keynote
10:58bashcraft: 29 million or more psn accounts 600 million pieces of content downloaded
10:58StephenTotilo: Dear kaz, now nintendo is
10:59StephenTotilo: Messing with you too
10:59bashcraft: nintendo is totally messing with you, kaz
11:00bashcraft: totally, totally messing with you
11:00StephenTotilo: Wii price drop just announced. So there has been more news from sonya competitors during this speech than from sony
LOL
Post by: KDR_11k on September 24, 2009, 02:47:44 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 27, 2009, 01:14:08 PM
"SONY HAS ADMITTED that it is being investigated by US antitrust regulators and expects Inspectors Knacker of the Yards of many nations to carry out similar probes.
At the heart of the problem is Sony's optical disk drive operation. US officials are looking at possible violations of antitrust regulations and no one is saying much else."
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2009, 01:29:22 PM
That will literally be the last physical disc format we will need for a long, long time.
Not really wishing Sony to fail (well maybe I am a little), but we all know that almost everytime they try to standardize a format, they fail, and just because they beat the new competitor in the field this time doesn't mean they've replaced the format they were trying to, so they may have won the first battle or so, but they still haven't won the war.
Besides, it wold be absolutely hilarious if the holographic disc technology that Nintendo is invested in ends up becoming some sort of standard and starts getting used for movies, data storage & Nintendo's next generation system.
So I guess I really am hoping to see Blu-ray fail, but only so something that is actually better can take its place.
Post by: broodwars on October 27, 2009, 05:12:49 PM
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559846/sony-admits-anti-trust-investigation
"SONY HAS ADMITTED that it is being investigated by US antitrust regulators and expects Inspectors Knacker of the Yards of many nations to carry out similar probes.
At the heart of the problem is Sony's optical disk drive operation. US officials are looking at possible violations of antitrust regulations and no one is saying much else."
We'll have to see what specifics shake out of this, but honestly I don't see the grounds for Anti-trust here. Blu-Ray Disc had a competitor in HD DVD, and it failed in the marketplace. Blu-Ray continues to have a competitor in DVD, which still does well in the marketplace so I don't see where the anti-trust comes in unless they're trying to argue that Sony bought off all the companies that decided to drop HD DVD for Blu-Ray towards the end of that format war. Even if it is true, though, who cares? I refused to get into the HD format race until we had only one format, and now that we do I'm quite content with the result. So what's the problem?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2009, 05:14:44 PM
Post by: broodwars on October 27, 2009, 05:19:38 PM
HVD HVD HVD HVD
And exactly what unfair market conditions perpetrated by Sony prevent HVD from having a fair opportunity to compete in the marketplace against Blu-Ray?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2009, 05:37:44 PM
Been rooting for HVD since before the HDDVD vs BRD war started, now I just need them to actually commercialize the format and release the damn thing already.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 29, 2009, 05:35:24 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 30, 2009, 02:08:04 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2009, 02:40:17 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 31, 2009, 03:59:45 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 01, 2009, 02:00:04 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 01, 2009, 01:19:07 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2009, 03:02:06 PM
Nothing ever came of Microsoft's anti-trust violations. They were found guilty nearly 10 years ago, and yet to this day IE is still bundled with the OS. Meanwhile, Netscape and the other companies Microsoft destroyed are left without justice.
Now MS gives you options on which internet browser to install as your primary (in Europe atleast)
Post by: KDR_11k on November 01, 2009, 04:28:37 PM
Post by: BruceBalance on November 13, 2009, 05:46:13 PM
When you compare HD-DVD next to Blu-Ray, HD-DVD looks 10x better and its very notesable which is very surprising since Blu-Ray has more storage space and Sony kept promoting that it was better quality.
I seem to recall that being because of a bad player, they both use the same codecs and everything.
Why would an HD-DVD look better? "HD DVD offers 15GB capacity on a single-layer platter, while Blu-ray offers 25GB. More capacity means more data; more data generally means better images and better sound when it comes to hi-def movies." http://www.macworld.com/article/132170/2008/02/bluray.html
I have a PS3 and it even upgrades DVDs to a better quality appearance. Manufacturers like Warner Bros. and Disney support Blu-ray.
I think Sony is banking on Blu-ray sales to make up for losses.
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 13, 2009, 06:14:25 PM
You quote a post from 2006 when there wasn't a clear winner yet then post an article from 2008 to prove your point?
This is old news and doesn't really have any relevance now.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 13, 2009, 11:33:43 PM
Why would an HD-DVD look better? "HD DVD offers 15GB capacity on a single-layer platter, while Blu-ray offers 25GB. More capacity means more data; more data generally means better images and better sound when it comes to hi-def movies." http://www.macworld.com/article/132170/2008/02/bluray.html
More capacity means more length. The quality is the same. But it wasn't an issue, because HD-DVD's storage was sufficient for movies (obviously), and there was also dual layer stuff which doubled the capacity. The said, the Blu-ray format certainly was superior from a technical standpoint, but not by a wide margin, and technical superiority aside Blu-ray sucks because it is a proprietary format that costs more because of Sony's licensing fees and whatnot. This is the reason its a bad thing it won the format wars.
Post by: stevey on November 14, 2009, 12:53:14 PM
Post by: broodwars on November 14, 2009, 01:59:53 PM
Sony is now resorting to kidnapping and forcing people at gunpoint to get people to buy PS3s (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/14/man-forced-by-kidnappers-to-purchase-a-playstation-3/)
Umm...no.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 15, 2009, 09:07:50 AM
Post by: mac<censored> on November 15, 2009, 10:45:52 PM
That's kinda funny. I don't know why he didn't make a scene inside the store where countless people would have seen and something could have been done then.
It seems pretty likely he just made up the entire story to try and explain why he stole his stepfather's credit card and bought a PS3 with it...
Post by: broodwars on November 15, 2009, 10:50:35 PM
That's kinda funny. I don't know why he didn't make a scene inside the store where countless people would have seen and something could have been done then.
It seems pretty likely he just made up the entire story to try and explain why he stole his stepfather's credit card and bought a PS3 with it...
I read a different report on this story that said that the kidnappers in question were caught and arrested, so that's unlikely.
http://www.hotbloodedgaming.com/2009/11/14/kidnapped-teen-forced-to-buy-kidnapper-a-ps3/
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 16, 2009, 02:46:56 AM
That's kinda funny. I don't know why he didn't make a scene inside the store where countless people would have seen and something could have been done then.
It seems pretty likely he just made up the entire story to try and explain why he stole his stepfather's credit card and bought a PS3 with it...
If he had bought it for himself or someone he knew, maybe... people don't steal a credit card just to buy something for complete strangers, unless of course if those strangers are holding him at gunpoint. I don't understand how they had control over him in the store, though. Did they bring the assault rifle in wal-mart with them?
Post by: EasyCure on November 16, 2009, 06:58:24 PM
That's kinda funny. I don't know why he didn't make a scene inside the store where countless people would have seen and something could have been done then.
It seems pretty likely he just made up the entire story to try and explain why he stole his stepfather's credit card and bought a PS3 with it...
If he had bought it for himself or someone he knew, maybe... people don't steal a credit card just to buy something for complete strangers, unless of course if those strangers are holding him at gunpoint. I don't understand how they had control over him in the store, though. Did they bring the assault rifle in wal-mart with them?
depending on the wal-mart, that wouldn't look too outta place don't ya think?
Post by: broodwars on November 16, 2009, 07:04:10 PM
That's kinda funny. I don't know why he didn't make a scene inside the store where countless people would have seen and something could have been done then.
It seems pretty likely he just made up the entire story to try and explain why he stole his stepfather's credit card and bought a PS3 with it...
If he had bought it for himself or someone he knew, maybe... people don't steal a credit card just to buy something for complete strangers, unless of course if those strangers are holding him at gunpoint. I don't understand how they had control over him in the store, though. Did they bring the assault rifle in wal-mart with them?
depending on the wal-mart, that wouldn't look too outta place don't ya think?
Considering the police only caught one of the perpetrators, it's also possible there were goons stationed watching that boy's family under threat to kill him if he didn't comply. We may never know, but I'd never discount the possibility of they still having the boy at gunpoint inside a Wal-Mart. It's not like they have metal detectors or anything.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 17, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
Had he raised a fuss he might have gotten shot, but the perpetrators would certainly not have gotten away with it inside the store.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 07, 2009, 09:15:47 PM
Post by: D_Average on December 07, 2009, 10:43:33 PM
http://customsites.yahoo.com/financiallyfit/finance/article-108318-3394-3-gifts-you-may-want-to-avoid-html?ywaad=ad0035
Yeah, that was so stupid of Sony to include a controller that recharges right out of the box. What a bunch of jerks.
Post by: mac<censored> on December 07, 2009, 10:49:11 PM
http://customsites.yahoo.com/financiallyfit/finance/article-108318-3394-3-gifts-you-may-want-to-avoid-html?ywaad=ad0035
Yeah, that was so stupid of Sony to include a controller that recharges right out of the box. What a bunch of jerks.
I agree, the Sony controller is pretty nice (well it has the annoying PS control layout, but I mean the batter/recharging/etc scheme); if it eventually conks out after a year or two, well whatever, the replacement costs are low enough that I don't really care that much if I have to replace it (and wouldn't it continue to work in wired mode anyway?).
[actually, I have a very small living room, so I just use the PS3 controller in cabled mode most of the time ... I might not even notice if the battery failed!]
That whole article seems pretty lame; it's not exactly wrong, but it takes minor problems and tries to inflate them way too much. I get the feeling the author had a deadline he was about to miss and just spewed out an article summarizing the first few hits his google search found...
Post by: Caterkiller on December 08, 2009, 01:18:58 PM
Are you serious?
You quote a post from 2006 when there wasn't a clear winner yet then post an article from 2008 to prove your point?
This is old news and doesn't really have any relevance now.
Hahahaha! You tell em Maxi!
Post by: EasyCure on December 08, 2009, 09:38:58 PM
Are you serious?
You quote a post from 2006 when there wasn't a clear winner yet then post an article from 2008 to prove your point?
This is old news and doesn't really have any relevance now.
Hahahaha! You tell em Maxi!
I think we broke Maxi
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 09, 2009, 07:43:11 AM
Post by: Caliban on December 09, 2009, 11:22:06 AM
What kind of battery is in the PS3 controller? Even if there is no hatch, could someone cut their way into it to get to it?
It's the same type of battery a DS uses, and I think it's possible to take it out by unscrewing the controller.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 09, 2009, 12:07:41 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 09, 2009, 05:13:24 PM
Post by: mac<censored> on December 09, 2009, 07:27:36 PM
This sounds to me like the sort of thing some modder/hacker would release a how-to guide for. Depending on how much a new battery costs, it is probably a lot cheaper than just buying a new controller like Sony expects you to.
The nice thing is, since a new controller is not that expensive, it's a perfect project for those who like tinkering -- if you end up destroying it, oh well, you just buy a new one like you would have anyway. [er, well unless you're like me, and happy to just use it wired... hmmm]
Post by: D_Average on December 09, 2009, 11:40:17 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 09, 2009, 11:44:57 PM
Post by: D_Average on December 10, 2009, 12:10:39 AM
Is the Wiimote quick fix unsuccessful?
Hmmm, are you joking around, or is there really a well known quick fix I seem to have missed?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 10, 2009, 12:20:45 AM
Try slapping the Remote squarely onto your palm a few times. Make the stop as sudden as possible, but of course don't do it to the point of injuring yourself.
The idea is to dislodge the super-tiny devices in the Remote that have gotten stuck into a bent/arched "antenna" position (from previous waggle). To be successful, it has to return to their "neutral" positions.
Post by: D_Average on December 10, 2009, 12:58:01 AM
It's true. I did this to a friend's Remote.
Try slapping the Remote squarely onto your palm a few times. Make the stop as sudden as possible, but of course don't do it to the point of injuring yourself.
The idea is to dislodge the super-tiny devices in the Remote that have gotten stuck into a bent/arched "antenna" position (from previous waggle). To be successful, it has to return to their "neutral" positions.
Groovy. I'll give that a shot, thx for the pro tip pro!
Post by: broodwars on December 10, 2009, 07:43:09 AM
Thanks to a comment by the President of EA, we may have a new official name for Sony's motion controller: "Gem" (which could also be an acronym "G.E.M."). WTF?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 10, 2009, 12:00:16 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2009, 12:24:17 PM
G.E.M. Wand?
I hope it comes with a tiara and a pretty dress
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 10, 2009, 12:36:17 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2009, 12:48:15 PM
G.E.M. (like a jewel), but it could have been:
J.E.M. (the 80's cartoon), or
G.Y.M. (where you work out), or
J.I.M. (a name common to middle America)
or other nonsense acronyms like
G.I.M.
J.Y.M.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 10, 2009, 01:15:44 PM
Post by: D_Average on December 10, 2009, 01:17:24 PM
Post by: broodwars on December 10, 2009, 02:16:02 PM
Sony has adamantly denied that "Gem" is the current public name of the PS3 motion controller, stating that it was merely an early development name. Sounds plausible, though the cynic in me wonders if Sony just saw the backlash from their leaked name and is now just scrambling to pick a new one after this one met laughter and derision.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2009, 02:25:06 PM
I would love to see the internet come together to openly mock Sony and the G.E.M Wand.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 10, 2009, 04:32:44 PM
Post by: EasyCure on December 10, 2009, 10:35:40 PM
Speaking of controllers, anyone have the gyro in their Wiimote go out yet? Its odd, the rest of the controller works fine, but no more waggle, unless I really go at it.
Yes, the first and only youtube video i ever uploaded was to show pro just how bonked my wiimote was; i put on ExciteTrucks, taped down the 2 button and recorded my truck make donuts like a dog chasing its own tail. I took it down immediately so that i chould reshoot it with the song "you spin me around' playing in the background, but never really got around to it..
the quick fix hasn't worked for me, but i suppose i can keep trying.
Glow.Emitting.Motion. Wand?
G.E.M. Wand?
I hope it comes with a tiara and a pretty dress
Gamings Enemy (Mass-produced)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 11, 2009, 02:40:55 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 11, 2009, 08:00:23 AM
It's been renamed to "B.A.L.L."
Can't wait to see what that stands for.
as for G.E.M.
G.iant E.nemy-crab M.assive-damage
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 11, 2009, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 11, 2009, 09:54:57 PM
or
Blatant Aping of market Leader's Latest innovation
Okay, that last one is kinda lame, but its true...
Post by: mac<censored> on December 11, 2009, 10:21:04 PM
Post by: broodwars on December 11, 2009, 10:26:17 PM
Post by: EasyCure on December 13, 2009, 08:45:50 PM
GEM = Gimmicky Electronic Motion-controller.
Win.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2009, 08:47:28 PM
GEM = Gimmicky Electronic Motion-controller.
Wiin.
fixed
Post by: broodwars on December 20, 2009, 09:45:49 PM
Due to the appearance of a foreign ad for LittleBigPlanet PSP (which can be viewed here: http://www.pspgen.com/lbppspcase-zoom-331489,191485.html ), it is now rumored (I guess, depending on whether this ad can be believed to be authentic or not) that Sony is working on yet another iteration of the PSP known as the PSP 4000. Sony, for the love of all that is holy make it stop. We know the PSP Go is a worthless POS in the sales department, but if you're not going to put a second analog nub on the 4000 (likely) there's no reason to put out yet another version of the PSP.
Damn Japan and their love of portable systems.
Post by: mac<censored> on December 20, 2009, 10:10:05 PM
Sony is working on yet another iteration of the PSP known as the PSP 4000. Sony, for the love of all that is holy make it stop. We know the PSP Go is a worthless POS in the sales department, but if you're not going to put a second analog nub on the 4000 (likely) there's no reason to put out yet another version of the PSP.
The question is, how will Sony manage to screw up this one?
Second analogue nub -- in the middle of the screen?
Giant wooden handles, bizarrely fixed so that you must hold the unit between your legs and bend over to play?
Features neither UMD drive nor digital download?
"Battery life: 1 minute"?
Post by: broodwars on December 20, 2009, 10:17:24 PM
Sony is working on yet another iteration of the PSP known as the PSP 4000. Sony, for the love of all that is holy make it stop. We know the PSP Go is a worthless POS in the sales department, but if you're not going to put a second analog nub on the 4000 (likely) there's no reason to put out yet another version of the PSP.
The question is, how will Sony manage to screw up this one?
Second analogue nub -- in the middle of the screen?
Giant wooden handles, bizarrely fixed so that you must hold the unit between your legs and bend over to play?
Features neither UMD drive nor digital download?
"Battery life: 1 minute"?
My personal guess will be that it will be an exact copy of the PSP Go, just with a UMD drive this time. So yeah, on top of being smaller, it'll actually have a worse battery life than the 3000 series (the Go supposedly has an identical battery life to its predecessors, because the reduced electric drain from losing the UMD drive was compensated by a smaller battery). I'll still only have one analog nub as well.
But ok, you want wacky guesses. Alright, how about taking a page from what EA is doing with Command & Conquer 4 and requiring your PSP 4000 to be connected to the internet at all times for security authorization on your games, or else the unit shuts down and is useless? You'll also be able to use any previous PSP models as controllers for the PSP 4000 via a special proprietary (USB) cable (firmware update, baby!).
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 21, 2009, 03:18:20 AM
Post by: Deguello on December 21, 2009, 04:19:58 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 21, 2009, 05:17:53 AM
Sony's taking notes, they are just aren't learning the lessons.
Post by: Deguello on December 21, 2009, 07:04:41 AM
I think one thing Sony might want to look into is not taking franchises from the PS3 downward. For one you can't graphick your way out of a shallow game experience on the handheld. Nobody is a handheld graphics enthusiast. And for two it may hurt the brand of whatever you are taking downward, if it is true that people only bought the PS3 version for graphics.
Take LittleBigPlanet for instance, a muted success on the PS3 turned bonafide bomb on the PSP. Or Resistance: Liberation. (Or was that Killzone: Liberation?)
Another thing, and this is critical for any future handhelds (and maybe their only next system). Do not emphasize non-gaming features. If your next handheld uses another Trojan Horse media format and you demonstrate it with "Pocket-sized High Definition Movies" and another slate of titles that are just PS2/PS3 downports, you are going to fail harder than this time.
And don't even think of doing Digital Distribution agai- On second thought, go ahead. Do it again. Please.
Post by: vudu on December 21, 2009, 02:24:36 PM
If it's really just going to be the 4000 model it's not going to be something completely new. It's likely just a minor hardware revision. 90% of the population probably doesn't know if they have a PSP-1000, PSP-2000 or PSP-3000. They just know they have a PSP.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 21, 2009, 02:28:01 PM
But vudu is right, most people don't know the difference between them.
Another new revision is probably just to try and help curb piracy again.
The 3000 has been successfully hacked and they probably want to apply some stuff they learned from the PSPgo.
Post by: nickmitch on December 21, 2009, 11:29:56 PM
Post by: D_Average on December 22, 2009, 10:01:50 PM
Now if only Apple would release an iphone with a d pad. Oh the rejoicing on that day. It'll never happen though. The games sales are already through the roof. Probably wouldn't' change them much.
Post by: broodwars on December 22, 2009, 10:06:14 PM
But are revisions really a bad thing? I don't mind at all what Sony and Ninty are doing with the handhelds. It makes it interesting. I've got an iphone and I don't mind the new model each year, so long as the others do not become close to obsolete. It the end, it just gives us more options.
Well, it bothers me. Let's say I wanted to pick up a PSP (after all, with games like Persona and Valkyria Chronicles 2 on the thing, I'd certainly find games I'd want). This habit of Sony's of putting a new PSP model out each year just makes me take pause and ask "why should I buy a PSP now when they'll just put a better version of the thing out next year?" This becomes a perpetual question over time, and in the end I just don't buy the thing.
Post by: nickmitch on December 22, 2009, 10:23:07 PM
As for options, I don't the iPhone or PSP really give "options" like the DS. With the PSP, more games are supposed to be for download, so you basically wouldn't need the UMD drive at all in theory. The iPhone does away with older models (for the most part). The DSi is at least giving you one that's regular sized, and one that well, "XL." That's more of a real option.
Post by: broodwars on December 22, 2009, 10:27:33 PM
But if you buy it now, you won't have to buy another one next year. You'll just have the last year's model.
As for options, I don't the iPhone or PSP really give "options" like the DS.
It's these "options" that would give me reason to wait for the next model, because Sony actually adds more capabilities to each iteration of the PSP (even the Go, despite losing UMD functionality). When there really aren't enough games to get me to buy it immediately, why not just wait for whatever ends up being the "best" version of the handheld?
Post by: D_Average on December 23, 2009, 02:51:28 AM
But if you buy it now, you won't have to buy another one next year. You'll just have the last year's model.
As for options, I don't the iPhone or PSP really give "options" like the DS.
It's these "options" that would give me reason to wait for the next model, because Sony actually adds more capabilities to each iteration of the PSP (even the Go, despite losing UMD functionality). When there really aren't enough games to get me to buy it immediately, why not just wait for whatever ends up being the "best" version of the handheld?
Because you could end up waiting years. And once a model comes out you really want, you can always sell yours. I have the 3000 and I love it. No desire for the Go. Aside from the lack of UMD, the thing is just too small for my hands (though the recessed nub is a nice touch).
Post by: oohhboy on December 24, 2009, 01:38:36 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 24, 2009, 03:13:28 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 24, 2009, 03:25:00 AM
Post by: oohhboy on December 25, 2009, 12:00:57 AM
Always remember you can always say no.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 25, 2009, 02:43:13 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 25, 2009, 05:01:04 AM
Post by: Ghisy on December 25, 2009, 07:14:23 AM
No physical buttons = no sale. Period.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 25, 2009, 08:24:43 AM
Post by: oohhboy on December 25, 2009, 10:08:10 AM
I compared the iPhone to the PSP because it's not better than the DS, but if you remove Nintendo's titles from the DS's library it's not that far off. There is a tremendous amount of quality software on the iPhone and it's a platform that anyone who calls themselves a gamer should own, or at least want to own.
You must have a really focused tastes in games. 2/3 of my DS games are 3rd party. If you got rid of Nintendo games, the only ones I would really miss would be the Zelda's, Advance Wars, Mario Kart and maybe Fire Emblem on the handhelds. I would still consider it a good purchase.
The problem with both the PSP and the Iphone beyond the control issues is the kind of games they attract. Iphone pulls in more shovelware than the entire combined history of computing in the multiverse without the accompanying good games.
The PSP can't make up it's mind as to what it wants to be and flips personality more than the Fonz tossing a coin. One minute it wants to be a media player, the next a cut down console with cinematic games, after that a Sony PSP lifestyle machine, then it decides it's vag lips are too long and shortens them with a revision every year. Like the PS3, it's conception was born out of insanity. While both made up some of it's short coming like Forest Gump by raw effort, money and dumb luck, the damage was done.
I like Apple and what they do in general, but I can't pay Apple prices. I like them so much in fact I spent 2 solid days building a Hackintosh and countless hours before the build researching just so I can run OSX. I am glad they have found success in the Iphone, however, their luck in getting a foothold in the gaming market is just that, luck. All cellphone for most the last decade have had games, but not until recently has CPU power, battery life and interface made it a possibility make games on phones that might not automatically suck. You do remember the Ngage? Wasting all of 30 seconds playing snake before deleting it? The endless clusterfuck of model restrictions and performance differences? Terrible controls?
The more Apple chases gaming, the more their own slice of the market fragments as each revision slowly breaks it's ancestor by being faster to soon, too incrementally. Add the fact it's also competing with regular phones. Throw on the dollar store toxic shovelware and it loses it's credibility as a gameplayer or a phone. It would be like Germany after D-Day fighting on 3 fronts stretched to breaking point. You can't have a device actively openning itself up to that much competition.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 25, 2009, 10:38:59 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 25, 2009, 01:54:44 PM
Post by: D_Average on December 25, 2009, 04:08:03 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 25, 2009, 04:12:35 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 25, 2009, 11:35:54 PM
The casual/non-casual nonsense isn't the issue anymore (never was). Casuals on the rise is just noticeable evidence of SERIOUS GAMERS dying off.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 27, 2009, 08:11:56 AM
This would suck during things like boss fights, but might be okay the rest of the time.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 08, 2010, 07:22:49 PM
Post by: broodwars on January 08, 2010, 07:45:51 PM
I was just given a PS3. I've never owned a Sony console before. Does it hurt?
"You've just taken your first steps into a larger world..."
Congrats. Did you get any games as well?
Post by: ShyGuy on January 08, 2010, 07:51:55 PM
Post by: broodwars on January 08, 2010, 07:54:36 PM
I was given Little Big Planet and Prince of Persia. I've been looking at the list of games and most PS3 games I would be interested in I've played. Has anyone tried Siren 3?
Well, not a bad duo, though I'm not the biggest fan of Little Big Planet. You should scoop up Batman: Arkham Asylum and Uncharted 2 as soon as funds allow, though. Bioshock (if you haven't played it yet) and Dead Space are a couple other good titles, as is Valkyria Chronicles if you like Strategy RPGs.
Post by: mac<censored> on January 08, 2010, 10:05:56 PM
I was given Little Big Planet and Prince of Persia. I've been looking at the list of games and most PS3 games I would be interested in I've played. Has anyone tried Siren 3?
Two of my favorite games so far (I only got a PS3 when the slim was released) have been Uncharted / Uncharted 2 (the 2nd game is better in various ways, but the first is absolutely a great game, and well worth getting), and Assassin's Creed 2.
Assassin's Creed 2 may be a multi-platform title, but man, it has the most amazingly huge and intricate environments, and fun sandbox gameplay; it's also gorgeous, and avoids the "repetitive sparse environments" problem that some other sandbox games have. Uncharted 2 has even cooler and more detailed environments, but it's very linear, and keeps you strictly within a certain path/area; A.C.2 lets you roam entire cities (and the surrounding countryside) freely, and still manages to be intricate and interesting!
The strong narrative drive of Uncharted2 and the free roaming of AC2 are good alternatives I think.
[I've avoided buying Bioshock as I get the impression it's way overhyped.]
Post by: Peachylala on January 08, 2010, 11:52:28 PM
- While HD makes the games look better, is SDTV ok?
- Does the Playstation Network cost anything?
- Is Bayonetta any good?
Post by: mac<censored> on January 09, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Planning on getting a PS3, but need some quick advice.
- While HD makes the games look better, is SDTV ok?
- Does the Playstation Network cost anything?
- Is Bayonetta any good?
I have a (small) SDTV, it looks fine as far as it can do... the only "problem" is that some games seem to have a fixed 16:9 aspect ratio and use letterboxing on a 4:3 display (I thought I'd be annoyed by this, since my TV is already really small, but actually I ended up not really noticing after 5 seconds).
The playstation network seems to be free; I've only signed up tho, and haven't really done much there (no wifi, and only one network cable in my house, and it's annoying to switch it between boxes...).
Dunno about bayonetta; most of the coverage I've seen was drooling over the main character...
Post by: broodwars on January 09, 2010, 12:04:46 AM
Planning on getting a PS3, but need some quick advice.
- While HD makes the games look better, is SDTV ok?
- Does the Playstation Network cost anything?
- Is Bayonetta any good?
1. Well, I've seen PS3 games on an SD TV before, and they're passable but you really should have an HD TV and HDMI cable for the PS3.
2. Nada, so far. Sony's talking about charging for some new features in the near future, but nothing definite so far.
3. I played the PS3 demo and wasn't impressed. It also looks pretty horrible on the PS3, like an upscaled PS2 game.
Post by: SixthAngel on January 09, 2010, 12:37:39 AM
If anyone gets a new console now, any console, do not buy the new hotness games. All the systems have been out for years and will have good older games you can pick up super cheap. Most recommendations will be new games because these poeple already played the old ones and the new ones are fresh in their mind, I do the same thing.
Post by: mac<censored> on January 09, 2010, 12:47:52 AM
Post by: Peachylala on January 09, 2010, 01:18:12 AM
Oh well... Sucks the PS3 isn't backwards compatible with PS2 games.
Post by: broodwars on January 09, 2010, 01:52:14 AM
That is good to know. Shame to hear about Bayonetta though, was thinking of getting it with the PS3 because I wanted to support Platinum.
Oh well... Sucks the PS3 isn't backwards compatible with PS2 games.
Take it from someone who has an 80 GB backwards compatible model, it's not all it's cracked-up to be. Sony didn't get it quite right with the software emulation models (the only model you can really find with some amount of ease and in working condition these days), leading to many games I really want to play (Wild Arms 4-5 and Shadow Hearts 2-3) being completely unplayable on the thing. It's rare to find a PS2 game that runs on my PS3 without some kind of glitch. If you want to play PS2 games, I suggest you use a PS2 (as I will have to, when I reacquire one sometime in the future). A pity, because they do look good upscaled on my PS3.
As for Bayonetta, you probably want to get multiple opinions on the game but I suggest you try the demo for yourself. It's free, so there's really no reason not to.
Incidentally, most of the games I listed are comparatively old and can be obtained for a reasonable price these days. Mac and I just have to agree to disagree on Uncharted 2 vs. its predecessor, as I find the first game a dull chore that's not worth playing if you can play the sequel.
As for Bioshock, it has been overhyped over the years (much as Portal is now), but I replayed it a few months back and it's still a very solid, very well-designed FPS that's still up there among my favorite games. You do yourself a disservice by not playing it, Mac.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 09, 2010, 03:23:49 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 09, 2010, 04:20:11 AM
To be fair, couldn't the touch screen add something like a D-pad onto itself?
Yes but it doesn't work all that well. It's done all the time on the iPhone.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 10, 2010, 12:57:49 AM
To be fair, couldn't the touch screen add something like a D-pad onto itself?
Yes but it doesn't work all that well. It's done all the time on the iPhone.
It usually works well enough, but there's a reason I've bought several games I already owned on the iPhone when they were released on DSiWare.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 17, 2010, 06:07:48 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2010, 09:06:21 PM
Post by: broodwars on January 19, 2010, 11:15:22 AM
It's that time again! It's time for another round of "Name that Sony Motion Controller!" This month's rumored official name is "Arc", a name I'd probably like a lot more if I could actually figure out what relevance it has to motion control (besides the whole "swinging it in an 'arc'" bit). I mean, it's not an "Ark" as in the Ark of the Covenant or Noah's Ark, both of which could metaphorically be what Sony's trying to make this thing do for the PS3. It's just "Arc", as in a geometric angle. Yeah...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 19, 2010, 12:49:51 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 19, 2010, 05:07:05 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2010, 04:24:24 PM
Quote
Hello hypervisor, I'm geohot (http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/01/hello-hypervisor-im-geohot.html)
I have read/write access to the entire system memory, and HV level access to the processor. In other words, I have hacked the PS3. The rest is just software. And reversing. I have a lot of reversing ahead of me, as I now have dumps of LV0 and LV1. I've also dumped the NAND without removing it or a modchip.
3 years, 2 months, 11 days...thats a pretty secure system
Took 5 weeks, 3 in Boston, 2 here, very simple hardware cleverly applied, and some not so simple software.
Shout out to George Kharrat from iPhoneMod Brasil (http://www.iphonemod.com.br/) for giving me this PS3 a year and a half ago to hack. Sorry it took me so long :)
As far as the exploit goes, I'm not revealing it yet. The theory isn't really patchable, but they can make implementations much harder. Also, for obvious reasons I can't post dumps. I'm hoping to find the decryption keys and post them, but they may be embedded in hardware. Hopefully keys are setup like the iPhone's KBAG.
I expect PS3 sales to increase once this becomes a little more widespread(after it's released). Too bad for PS3 software sales will just be even worse than before, but on the plus side, HomeBrew on the PS3 will be very promising.
Post by: broodwars on January 25, 2010, 04:38:38 PM
I expect PS3 sales to increase once this becomes a little more widespread(after it's released). Too bad for PS3 software sales will just be even worse than before, but on the plus side, HomeBrew on the PS3 will be very promising.
This is one case where I hope that the console manufacturer (Sony) shuts down the exploit and hopefully the hacker with it. The PS3 is already a region-free system, with the exception of Blu-Ray (where North America and Japan are in the same region, so I don't expect all that many people care). Sure, they could hack software that approximates the PS2 software emulation of my 80 GB PS3 model, but that software was always unpredictable at best. The only reason anyone really has to hack the PS3 is to play pirated software, and we all know Sony has enough problems right now selling software. Props to them for lasting 3 years without a successful hack, assuming that this hacker is even telling the truth.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2010, 04:51:15 PM
But there are lots of things that a hacked PS3 could do besides play pirated software.
Improved media capabilities and interface for one, linux support using all that PS3 has to offer and region free PS1&2 support for those BC systems out there.
Basically you will be able to do anything you want with the PS3 hardware and it is quite a powerful little machine for only $300.
Unfortunately there is gonna be alot of bad to go along with the good, but that's how things work. From what I've been reading, he has hacked it down to the core and no firmware is gonna change that, but it's not very clear how he is gonna be able to reproduce the "hack" on every other PS3.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 25, 2010, 04:56:48 PM
He must've used Craftsman.
Post by: vudu on January 25, 2010, 05:04:46 PM
But there are lots of things that a hacked PS3 could do besides play pirated software.Would it be possible to turn your PS3 into a DVR or would it need a TV turner for that?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2010, 06:31:16 PM
fake edit:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/14/ps3-tv-tuner-dvr-out-in-japan-in-march/
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2010, 12:11:23 AM
I expect PS3 sales to increase once this becomes a little more widespread(after it's released). Too bad for PS3 software sales will just be even worse than before, but on the plus side, HomeBrew on the PS3 will be very promising.
This is one case where I hope that the console manufacturer (Sony) shuts down the exploit and hopefully the hacker with it. The PS3 is already a region-free system, with the exception of Blu-Ray (where North America and Japan are in the same region, so I don't expect all that many people care). Sure, they could hack software that approximates the PS2 software emulation of my 80 GB PS3 model, but that software was always unpredictable at best. The only reason anyone really has to hack the PS3 is to play pirated software, and we all know Sony has enough problems right now selling software. Props to them for lasting 3 years without a successful hack, assuming that this hacker is even telling the truth.
Your Sony Fanboyism is showing.
Who cares if it hurts Sony's sales? Remember the Rootkits?
Post by: broodwars on January 26, 2010, 12:21:13 AM
Your Sony Fanboyism is showing.
Who cares if it hurts Sony's sales? Remember the Rootkits?
Your Nintendo Fanboyism is showing.
If the Wii were region free with a HDD and whatnot, I'd feel the same way about that console being hacked. This isn't a Sony vs. Nintendo thing, but just that most of the things that people hack consoles to do the PS3 already lets you do: on older models you can install Linux, and on all models you have region free access to games and PSN (right now I have an American and Japanese account just in case there's a JP demo I might take an interest in). I'm not terribly familiar with Homebrew (and when I ran a search for it, I got nothing useful explaining it), but I just don't see a legitimate reason to hack that particular console. It's pure glory-seeking on the part of the hacker, and I think it will lead to more abuses than benefits.
Obviously you have some deep-seeded personal hatred related to previous history with Sony "rootkits" that I have not had, so I'm afraid I can't join you on wishing the death of Sony over it. I have a feeling you'd be far less sympathetic if Nintendo was losing widespread profits to internet hackers exploiting the Wii to play pirated games (which they probably already do).
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2010, 12:34:36 AM
It is alot more functional, informative and looks a hell of a lot better then the PS interface.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 26, 2010, 01:22:14 AM
Edit - also, from what Geohot has said, what he has found cannot be patched.
Post by: vudu on January 26, 2010, 01:44:51 PM
I honestly have no idea. can you get a USB TV tuner? If you can do that, then I don't see why not.I saw that, but it's a hundred freaking dollars!
fake edit:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/14/ps3-tv-tuner-dvr-out-in-japan-in-march/
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2010, 01:47:57 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 26, 2010, 02:49:46 PM
Post by: Stogi on January 26, 2010, 10:03:44 PM
And of course I'd love to pirate PS3. **** a 60 dollar price tag.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 26, 2010, 10:47:59 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on January 27, 2010, 04:41:26 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 27, 2010, 06:02:54 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 27, 2010, 12:15:20 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on January 27, 2010, 02:13:26 PM
Post by: ThePerm on January 29, 2010, 11:26:02 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on February 04, 2010, 10:12:50 AM
lol how long have you lived in Beijing SixthAngel?Around 2 years.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2010, 02:42:48 PM
Loss per PS3 cut to $18, says WSJ (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/)
Quote from: VG247
Sony has reduced the amount it loses on each PS3 sold to $18, according to a Wall Street Journal article (http://www.vg247.com/2010/02/06/loss-per-ps3-cut-to-18-says-wsj/#more-78729).
Sony has again significantly reduced the amount it costs to make a PS3, bringing the loss-per-console down to $18 from an estimated $37 per unit in December last year (http://www.vg247.com/2009/12/12/report-even-with-slimmer-model-sony-still-loses-37-per-ps3-unit/).
The company is now estimating it will actually turn a profit on the hardware in 2011.
“We think we’ve bottomed out and we can do fairly well going forward,” said Sony Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda.
Sony’s drive for the black appears to be working, with the firm’s three months ending December 31 showing 146.1 billion yen group operating profit.
PS3 sales are on the up, and closing on 360’s: the Sony console now stands at 33.5 million worldwide (http://www.vg247.com/2010/02/04/global-ps3-sales-rise-to-33-5-million-units-narrow-gap-on-360/), compared to Xbox 360’s 39 million.
Sony still losing on every PlayStation 3 it sells (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10448137-17.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20)
Quote from: CNET
Although PlayStation 3 sales have been on the rise and Sony has a rosy outlook for the console's future, it turns out that the company is still losing money on every PlayStation 3 unit it sells.
[...]
Admittedly, losing money on console sales is typical in the gaming industry. But Sony's losses have been slightly out of the ordinary. Not only has it been going on since launch, but when the console was released, iSuppli estimated that it cost Sony a whopping $805 to build the PS3.
For its part, Sony isn't focusing on the past. Sony Chief Financial Officer Nobuyuki Oneda told the Journal that it plans to cut PS3 production costs by "15 percent in the fiscal year ending March 2011." He said that alone would help the company generate "tens of billions of yen."
At least Sony is moving in the right direction.[...]
Regardless, Sony's console has enjoyed a resurgence of sorts over the past few months as the device's more affordable price tag has prompted some to pick one up. But once each of those sales turns a profit for Sony, you can bet the company will finally breathe a sigh of relief.
Post by: D_Average on February 06, 2010, 03:20:31 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2010, 03:33:04 PM
Post by: broodwars on February 06, 2010, 06:09:07 PM
Perhaps Heavy Rain will be the surprise savior and resurrect the fallen giant.
I doubt it. I downloaded the demo last night, and this game has niche written all over it. It's very good, but it has no mass appeal (mainly due to how it controls).
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 06, 2010, 06:12:16 PM
But my concern about Sony bringing production costs down is that they might be cutting things out and cutting corners in order to do that. One painful example if the removal of the emotion chip which destroyed compatibility with PS2 games. What other cuts has Sony made, or will make in the future? Will we see a console with a higher failure rate because flimsier components were used?
Post by: mac<censored> on February 06, 2010, 06:32:44 PM
Perhaps Heavy Rain will be the surprise savior and resurrect the fallen giant.
By depressing everybody who plays it so much that they snap and go on a huge game-buying spree...?
Post by: KDR_11k on February 07, 2010, 03:44:01 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on February 07, 2010, 12:39:35 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 16, 2010, 12:27:39 PM
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592118/sayonara-sony-oled-tvs
Post by: mac<censored> on February 17, 2010, 03:54:30 AM
I'm conflicted Heavy Rain as a story centric adventure games sounds great, but I hate quicktime events.
Yeah I agree, "quicktime events" suck. Who's the bozo that came up with those anyway?
Post by: KDR_11k on February 17, 2010, 04:52:28 AM
Post by: Rize on February 19, 2010, 05:28:21 PM
I'm conflicted Heavy Rain as a story centric adventure games sounds great, but I hate quicktime events.
In HR it looks like the game goes beyond mere quick time events. It sounds like it makes a greater effort to associate the QTE with what is going on on the screen.... just something I read. I'm ultimately just as conflicted as you are.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 20, 2010, 09:37:40 AM
Post by: Adrock on February 20, 2010, 11:09:01 AM
Who's the bozo that came up with those anyway?Rick Dyer, creator of Dragon's Lair. I give him a pass because that game came out in 1983. I blame David Jaffe for bringing back and popularizing QTE with God of War because he should have known better.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2010, 06:54:54 PM
Post by: broodwars on February 20, 2010, 07:23:09 PM
Who's the bozo that came up with those anyway?Rick Dyer, creator of Dragon's Lair. I give him a pass because that game came out in 1983. I blame David Jaffe for bringing back and popularizing QTE with God of War because he should have known better.
Let's not forget Shinji Mikami for his lovely decision to implement the damn things in Resident Evil 4 (including the famous Knife Fight I hate so very much because it is a QTE).
Post by: Halbred on February 20, 2010, 10:44:53 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 21, 2010, 02:08:08 AM
Let's not forget Shinji Mikami for his lovely decision to implement the damn things in Resident Evil 4 (including the famous Knife Fight I hate so very much because it is a QTE).
I found 'em appropriate in RE4 since it's still a horror series and the QTEs kept the tension up during cutscenes instead of letting you relax until regular gameplay resumes.
Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2010, 07:49:50 PM
Sorry, but this seemed a good place to do a little venting, because I'm very pissed right now.
*goes back to listening to RFN 185.*
Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2010, 08:54:08 PM
Whatever Sony's doing with the PSN, it's effectively bricked non-Slim PS3 models like mine since we can't access any PS3 games. I'm not personally screwed so badly since I can still play PS2 and PS1 games on the thing (in fact, I'm playing Grandia for the first time as I type this), but this really angers me. Did they really not bother to test this server update with the older PS3 models, and what does this mean for the day the Playstation Network eventually goes down for good?
Post by: Kairon on February 28, 2010, 09:11:32 PM
Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2010, 09:14:32 PM
Actually, I'm hearing that it's not PSN related, and that even offline older non-slim model PS3's are experiencing the problems.
Whatever the problem is, I wasn't having it yesterday when I brought Star Ocean home and started playing it. Sony today decided to do a major overhaul on the PSN, and suddenly you see reports of players not being able to play their trophy-enabled games. From all I've seen, this has something to do with the PSN, but it's only affecting older-model PS3s (like mine...sadly).
Post by: mac<censored> on February 28, 2010, 09:27:52 PM
... when I brought Star Ocean home and started playing it.
What do you think of Star Ocean btw? The store here has massive displays pushing it, and the trailer looks kinda cool, but it's always hard to tell...
(I wanted to buy Heavy Rain, but all sold out!!)
Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2010, 09:36:14 PM
... when I brought Star Ocean home and started playing it.
What do you think of Star Ocean btw? The store here has massive displays pushing it, and the trailer looks kinda cool, but it's always hard to tell...
(I wanted to buy Heavy Rain, but all sold out!!)
It's definitely one of those "buy the guide" kind of RPGs, because the game's pretty massive. So far, I have somewhat mixed feelings on it, but I do like it overall. I have issues with things like the inability to scroll the map when you pull it up; a massive amount of world to explore; the somewhat crushing difficulty during the game's first world due to the inability to buy healing items and scarce save points; kind of simplistic battle system (this game makes the Tales battle system look deep); and the simply ludicrous difficulty of the game's trophies, but overall I like it. Suffice to say, though, that if JRPG tropes bother you you're going to hate this game because it is long-winded in the cutscenes; kind of quirky with the characters; and tends to fall back on RPG conventions at times.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 28, 2010, 10:32:48 PM
seriously, this is el-oh-el
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on February 28, 2010, 10:48:51 PM
Whatever Sony's doing with the PSN, it's effectively bricked non-Slim PS3 models like mine since we can't access any PS3 games. I'm not personally screwed so badly since I can still play PS2 and PS1 games on the thing (in fact, I'm playing Grandia for the first time as I type this), but this really angers me. Did they really not bother to test this server update with the older PS3 models, and what does this mean for the day the Playstation Network eventually goes down for good?
Yeah, whatever Sony's doing. :reggie:
Post by: Stogi on February 28, 2010, 10:59:05 PM
Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2010, 11:00:00 PM
Whatever Sony's doing with the PSN, it's effectively bricked non-Slim PS3 models like mine since we can't access any PS3 games. I'm not personally screwed so badly since I can still play PS2 and PS1 games on the thing (in fact, I'm playing Grandia for the first time as I type this), but this really angers me. Did they really not bother to test this server update with the older PS3 models, and what does this mean for the day the Playstation Network eventually goes down for good?
Yeah, whatever Sony's doing. :reggie:
Back off, Reggie. I think Sony's going a good enough job of taking their own names without you needing to step in. :P: :
This really sucks, especially since along with locking players out of their offline PS3 disc games there's also word of some players losing save and trophy data. My own PS3 no longer has a working chronometer, so when I turn the system off it reboots with whatever time it had before. Thankfully, the only data I've lost so far is my Star Ocean Trophy Data, and if I must start the game over when the issue gets fixed I'm near the beginning of the game anyway.
Post by: Stogi on March 01, 2010, 12:09:00 AM
Post by: broodwars on March 01, 2010, 12:12:53 AM
"................................"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDD5RttYck8
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2010, 01:18:17 AM
Y2K's Revenge.
seriously, this is el-oh-el
Post by: ShyGuy on March 01, 2010, 02:58:53 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2010, 03:02:43 AM
Post by: Stogi on March 01, 2010, 03:11:26 AM
Post by: Urkel on March 01, 2010, 04:02:08 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 01, 2010, 04:29:36 AM
UPDATE: http://www.destructoid.com/psn-is-down-for-many-sony-on-the-case-165345.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/psn-is-down-for-many-sony-on-the-case-165345.phtml)
Whatever Sony's doing with the PSN, it's effectively bricked non-Slim PS3 models like mine since we can't access any PS3 games. I'm not personally screwed so badly since I can still play PS2 and PS1 games on the thing (in fact, I'm playing Grandia for the first time as I type this), but this really angers me. Did they really not bother to test this server update with the older PS3 models, and what does this mean for the day the Playstation Network eventually goes down for good?
Sounds to me like you need to upgrade your PS3 to the newer model.
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 01, 2010, 04:55:53 AM
So this is what Sony does when they need more sales.UPDATE: http://www.destructoid.com/psn-is-down-for-many-sony-on-the-case-165345.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/psn-is-down-for-many-sony-on-the-case-165345.phtml)
Whatever Sony's doing with the PSN, it's effectively bricked non-Slim PS3 models like mine since we can't access any PS3 games. I'm not personally screwed so badly since I can still play PS2 and PS1 games on the thing (in fact, I'm playing Grandia for the first time as I type this), but this really angers me. Did they really not bother to test this server update with the older PS3 models, and what does this mean for the day the Playstation Network eventually goes down for good?
Sounds to me like you need to upgrade your PS3 to the newer model.
Post by: D_Average on March 01, 2010, 12:48:32 PM
Post by: Stogi on March 01, 2010, 12:52:29 PM
EDIT: Looks like they MAY...MAY have it fixed in a day.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/
Post by: D_Average on March 01, 2010, 07:26:08 PM
http://i.joystiq.com/2010/03/01/ps3-clock-bug-apparently-squashed-games-are-playable/
Post by: broodwars on March 01, 2010, 07:37:05 PM
Bad news: my Star Ocean: The Last Hope trophies are gone...permanently. That's 6 game hours "poof". *groans and moves to restart the game.* At least I didn't lose everything, since the System Data saved my battle trophies and monster data.
*Is still angry at Sony.*
We'd better be seeing a firmware patch to ensure this never happens again.
Post by: Stogi on March 01, 2010, 08:25:01 PM
Post by: D_Average on March 01, 2010, 10:01:20 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 02:35:52 PM
Quote
Sony Corp. forecast profit that missed analysts’ estimates, fueling concern the debt crisis in Europe may delay a recovery in demand for televisions, cameras and personal computers.
Net income will probably total 50 billion yen ($535 million) in the 12 months ending March 2011, The Tokyo-based maker of Bravia televisions said today. That’s less than half the average of 19 analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg. The company predicted revenue will rise 5.4 percent.
Sony, forecasting its first annual profit in three years, said it may suffer a “significant impact” if the Greek crisis spreads. Weaker spending in Europe, which accounts for about 25 percent of Sony’s sales, may undercut Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer’s efforts to revive profitability by cutting 20,000 jobs and shutting 11 factories.
[...]
The loss at the Networked Products and Services Group may narrow, helped by demand for electronic readers, Vaio computers and PlayStation3 games consoles, Sony said.
The company stopped losing money from PS3 consoles in March and will likely post an annual profit of at least 1 billion yen this year from PS3, compared with a loss of about 50 billion yen in the year ended March 31, Oneda said.
Personal computer sales will probably rise to 8.8 million from 6.8 million, Sony said. The company projects sales of 15 million PS3s compared with 13 million sold a year earlier.
I don't know if you all were aware of this, but Sony FY2009 info just came out and it looks like
LTD sales:
PS3 35.7 m ( 360 40.2m Wii 70.9m)
PSP 63.2 m
PS2 146.8 m
FY 2010 forecast
PS3 15m
PSP 8m
PS2 6m
Sony Corporation (Millions of U.S. dollars)
-FY 2009:Sales and Operating Revenue $77,570
-FY 2009:Operating Income $342
-FY 2009:Net Income (loss) $(439)
Networked Products & Services (GAME) (Millions of U.S. dollars)
-FY 2009: Operating Income (loss) $(893)
and going by that article, PS3 has lost 50billion Yen last year and only looks to profit about 1 billion yen this year...
They are expecting to sell more PS3 this FY and only recover 1/50th of what they lost this year?
DOing some rough math in my head makes it seem like even though Sony stopped taking a loss on the PS3 back in March, they are making lass than $1 profit per PS3 sold at the current price of $299.
Is my math wrong? Did I misunderstand something?
and with the lost of almost $1Billion, doesn't that mean that Sony has finally spent every bit of profit from the last 10 years(PS2 era) on the PS3? Even MS is making money at this point, but they can afford to swallow any Xbox losses. How can Sony keep this up and expect to leap frog themselves during the next gen?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2010, 02:42:11 PM
They don't think they can get anywhere without being ambitious, right?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 03:14:25 PM
a 1Billion Yen profit for next year on PS3's is only about $10Million
Iwata has accidentally flushed more than that wrapped in a piece of tissue atleast once month. and that's just in his personal bathroom in his office.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=18481.msg582963#msg582963 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=18481.msg582963#msg582963)
Quarterly Financial Comparison
Sony / Nintendo / Micosoft (Operating Income)Code: [Select]Sony Nintendo Microsoft Total
Y/E 1998 $902,811,090 $1,023,333,867 $1,926,144,957
Y/E 1999 $1,102,563,557 $1,301,350,000 $2,403,913,557
Y/E 2000 $722,738,949 $1,368,207,547 $2,090,946,497
Y/E 2001 -$449,776,290 $677,576,000 $227,799,710
Y/E 2002 $629,101,056 $895,872,180 -$1,135,000,000 $389,973,237
Y/E 2003 $935,569,253 $834,333,333 -$1,191,000,000 $578,902,586
Y/E 2004 $627,195,212 $993,161,303 -$1,337,000,000 $283,356,515
Y/E 2005 $419,888,799 $1,056,056,202 -$539,000,000 $936,945,001
Y/E 2006 $69,129,058 $774,478,055 -$1,339,000,000 -$495,392,887
Y/E 2007 -$1,970,923,859 $1,914,666,388 -$1,969,000,000 -$2,025,257,471
Y/E 2008 -$1,079,994,103 $4,322,637,887 $426,000,000 $3,668,643,783
Y/E 2009 -$664,313,787 $5,691,428,301 $169,000,000 $5,196,114,515
Y/E 10Q1 -$413,541,667 $420,843,750 $312,000,000 $319,302,083
Y/E 10Q2 -$653,333,333 $710,655,556 $375,000,000 $432,011,111
Y/E 10Q3 $210,629,750 $2,087,904,452 N/A N/A
Total
$387,078,407 $24,072,504,822 -$6,157,000,000 $16,004,049,028
Full Year Average
$103,665,745 $1,737,758,422 -$1,001,857,143 $914,270,499
Profitable Years
8 12 2 10
Non Profitable Years
4 0 6 2
Average in Loss Year
-$1,041,252,010 N/A -$1,251,666,667 -$1,260,325,179
Average in Profit Year
$676,124,622 $1,737,758,422 $333,000,000 $1,389,625,094
an $893 million loss acutally puts Sony at -$505million since 1998
it took 3 years(of 3rd place) to wipe out all the profits(and them some) of the previous 9 years(of 1st place).
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 13, 2010, 03:58:40 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 04:04:20 PM
any profits from that are completely separate from gaming.
Sony did sell more software than the X360 though if that helps their case any.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2010, 04:12:11 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 15, 2010, 10:14:59 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 04:00:27 PM
Premium PSN plans for E3 reveal, to cost “less than £50 per year” (http://www.vg247.com/2010/05/17/premium-psn-plans-for-e3-reveal-to-cost-less-than-50-per-year/)
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VG247 has learnt that Sony is to reveal plans for PSN’s premium services at E3.
According to a highly-placed source, Sony will announce a large-scale monetizing scheme for PSN at the LA show, but we’re assured nothing planned will impact the service’s current free aspects.
A string of features will be revealed, apparently costing “less than £50 per year”.
Sony will confirm plans to give all subscribers one free PSN game per month, from a choice of “two to four” every month.
“If you work it out, PSN games cost an average of £6-9 each, so over a year you’re basically going to be breaking even,” said our source.
A streaming music application similar to Spotify will be announced in Sony’s press conference on June 15. It’s thought that this can run in the background while playing games.
Rumours that cross-game voice chat is being saved as a paid feature are apparently not true, we were told.
“I can tell you now, 100 percent, that that’s not the case,” our man continued.
“There’s nothing in the premium package which will gimp regular PSN users.”
The PSN premium services announcement is thought to be a major part of Sony’s E3 conference, which will also heavily feature Move.
It’s thought that a PSP2 announcement, for this reason, is unlikely, and will be saved for either gamescom or TGS later this year.
So looks like all 3 may go with paid online services. Sony may even use one of the ideas we had for Nintendo of giving away free software every month to subsidize the cost. I hope both Sony rumors are true.
Post by: broodwars on May 18, 2010, 04:42:24 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 19, 2010, 12:59:41 AM
Post by: ThePerm on June 07, 2010, 11:40:54 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2010, 02:40:54 PM
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1102449p1.html (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1102449p1.html)
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Consumers should get used to a $299 PlayStation 3 for the time being.
In an interview with IGN, Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony's Worldwide Studios, said the company is finally making money on every PS3 sold and there's no rush to bring the price down again.
"This year is the first time that we are able to cover the cost of the PlayStation 3," Yoshida said. "We aren't making huge money from hardware, but we aren't bleeding like we used to."
In May, Sony began shipping new PlayStation 3 consoles with smaller and more cost effective graphics chips. Now, Yoshida said, Sony is looking at replenishing retail stock that has been running on empty since January rather than cutting the price.
"When we bring the cost of hardware down, we are looking at opportunities to adjust prices if we believe that will increase demand," he explained. "At the moment, we are trying to catch up our production."
"We have lots of great games coming out and innovations with Move and 3DTV, so we don't believe this is the time for us to think about a price drop," he added.
Rather than cutting the price of the base model, Yoshida said the company may look at doing additional console bundles, like the one recently announced that will include Sports Champion, a PlayStation Move controller, and a PlayStation Eye for $399.
Who wants to Place Yer Bets on when the next PS3 price drop is?
Post by: broodwars on June 29, 2010, 02:44:15 PM
Looks like Sony is FINALLY making a small profit on the PS3
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1102449p1.html (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1102449p1.html)QuoteConsumers should get used to a $299 PlayStation 3 for the time being.
In an interview with IGN, Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony's Worldwide Studios, said the company is finally making money on every PS3 sold and there's no rush to bring the price down again.
"This year is the first time that we are able to cover the cost of the PlayStation 3," Yoshida said. "We aren't making huge money from hardware, but we aren't bleeding like we used to."
In May, Sony began shipping new PlayStation 3 consoles with smaller and more cost effective graphics chips. Now, Yoshida said, Sony is looking at replenishing retail stock that has been running on empty since January rather than cutting the price.
"When we bring the cost of hardware down, we are looking at opportunities to adjust prices if we believe that will increase demand," he explained. "At the moment, we are trying to catch up our production."
"We have lots of great games coming out and innovations with Move and 3DTV, so we don't believe this is the time for us to think about a price drop," he added.
Rather than cutting the price of the base model, Yoshida said the company may look at doing additional console bundles, like the one recently announced that will include Sports Champion, a PlayStation Move controller, and a PlayStation Eye for $399.
Who wants to Place Yer Bets on when the next PS3 price drop is?
1-2 years from now when we start getting rumblings of the next PlayStation system. Since they're finally making a profit on each unit, I don't see why they'd throw that away any earlier.
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 29, 2010, 03:01:08 PM
Post by: Pale on June 29, 2010, 04:43:13 PM
In short, the fire alarms are off at Sony. They should be thrilled with how they are doing currently.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 29, 2010, 05:42:21 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 29, 2010, 06:09:36 PM
These recent profits though suggest that they really should not pursue another gen for a while now. In retrospect the next gen probably should have only started a year or two ago. Nintendo is number one with pretty much a Gamecube with a new controller while Sony and MS lost out because their consoles cost too much money. Oh and the PS2 even continued to sell well for a few more years. We probably could have stuck with the last gen for 7 or 8 years. So let's not make that mistake again and try selling $600 consoles when we know that each time the graphical boost is going to become less and less noticable. Nintendo should release a new console to catch up hardware-wise and the other two should try to make their motion control options successful and leave things as is for the next several years.
But this stupid 3D gimmick will probably **** all of that up. Someone is going to jump the gun.
Post by: ThePerm on June 29, 2010, 06:44:48 PM
actually Wii is alot like Playstation, its this pale box that has a few really great games and then a bunch of crap i would never play.
Post by: noname2200 on June 29, 2010, 08:36:55 PM
The PlayStation 3 is plenty successful right now. It does not matter what "place" it's in. It continues to sell at a fine rate.
In short, the fire alarms are off at Sony. They should be thrilled with how they are doing currently.
To the best of my knowledge, the division with the PS3 in it has not had a profitable year since 2006, and my impression is that the PS3 is solidly to blame for that. I'm also not sure that's going to change this year either. "Losing slightly less money now than before" should not lead to sighs of relief.
Of course, in light of the business aptitude Sony's displayed this generation, they probably have popped open the champagne...
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 29, 2010, 08:44:08 PM
Post by: ThePerm on June 29, 2010, 09:14:29 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 30, 2010, 04:56:24 AM
Nintendo is number one with pretty much a Gamecube
Once again you're repeating that myth, which is absolutely false. The Wii is 2-3 times more powerful than the GC. Just because the games seldom make use of that power doesn't change the fact that the hardware is a leap forward.
But the thing is, the PS3/360 are probably 5-10 times as powerful as their previous systems, so the Wii's leap isn't as great but you're outright lying when you say its the same as the GC.[/quote]
Post by: ThePerm on June 30, 2010, 05:34:49 AM
and jeez researching ram, ram is such an upmarked product
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing
im surprised the price hasn't gone down yet.
Post by: Pale on June 30, 2010, 11:47:23 AM
Challenging the Wii is also impossible at this point, so that shouldn't be a concern of theirs either.
What they are doing is continuing to carve out market share from Microsoft. This is where their decisions early in the generation can start to pay off. The 360 is looking stale but the PS3 still continues to look like cutting edge tech to the average consumer. They have positioned the platform in a place where they will have the opportunity to go for market leadership again in the next gen.
In short, they have done everything I think they can do to right the ship, and that is why they should be thrilled.
All of you that rant about how the PS3 is a failure should really look in the mirror at yourself as a Nintendo fan. The GameCube did the exact opposite. Started out really well, ended like hell. Yet somehow that was OK. Same could be said for the N64. What Sony has done over the last two years should be greatly respected. They have brought extremely important, high budget games to the forefront (I.E. Uncharted Series, Little Big Planet). They have done amazing things for the small scale / indie scene on PSN (I.E. PixelJunk series, Flower, etc.).
At this point in my career as a gamer I'm really starting to understand the importance of all the players when it comes to pushing the industry forward. We shouldn't be afraid to respect and enjoy each company's victories.
Post by: Arbok on June 30, 2010, 11:59:13 AM
I don't care if the PS3 started out rocky. Sony shouldn't care either because they can't change it.
They should care, as taking that type of attitude that "our mistakes are in the past, ignore them" leads to repeating them.
The GameCube did the exact opposite. Started out really well, ended like hell. Yet somehow that was OK.
No it wasn't. That was awful, and I have yet to see someone spin the Gamecube sales on here otherwise.
Same could be said for the N64.
And should be said as it took a company from #1 to #2, and the Gamecube continued the trend from #2 to #3.
The PS3 is much like the N64 in that it has good games (and I will defend that the N64 had some of the greatest that Nintendo itself produced), but its conception and creation is one for the "biggest mistakes in the industry" books. The decline from the PS2 to the PS3 in audience dwarfs what either the N64 or Gamecube saw in retrospect, and I would slump all three in the category of disappointing consoles from a sales perspective.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 30, 2010, 12:09:50 PM
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the Wii's leap isn't as great but you're outright lying when you say its the same as the GC.
I'm not lying, I'm being cheeky. I know it isn't the same. But the upgrade is so minor that it makes my point - we jumped to the next gen too soon. The Wii is such a minor update that if they didn't have the controller they would never get away with calling that a new generation. People were fine with the idea of sticking with PS2/Cube/Xbox level visuals for a while longer.
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They should care, as taking that type of attitude that "our mistakes are in the past, ignore them" leads to repeating them.
I think the fact that they've made chicken soup out of chicken **** suggests that have learned a thing or two. As Pale has pointed out Nintendo never did this with their "flop" consoles. The N64 became more irrelevant each year and then the Cube came out and Nintendo sunk even further. They never went up ever until the Wii, it was just a steady downward slope from the N64 launch on. Sony's path with the PS3 is now curving up.
We'll find out if they actually learned anything in the future but right now you can at least say that they've rolled with the punches. Not everyone accomplishes that.
Post by: vudu on June 30, 2010, 01:42:33 PM
The 360 is looking stale but the PS3 still continues to look like cutting edge tech to the average consumer.
How so? The two systems look pretty much identical to the average consumer. And with third party games tending to be slightly inferior on the PS3, I'd argue that the 360 looks better than the PS3 to Joe Gamer.
Post by: Pale on June 30, 2010, 01:54:58 PM
Exclusives have been much better on PS3 as of late as well.
Post by: vudu on June 30, 2010, 02:01:58 PM
The latest trend is that multiplatform games are better on PS3.
Could you site some examples, because this is the first time I've heard someone who's not a complete fanboy make that claim. (Note: This is not a dig; I'm saying you're not a fanboy and therefore I'm interested in why you think this.) I can't think of any super recent examples, but I've heard lots of claims that 3rd party games have better frame rates, better lighting, etc. on 360 (most recently with Bayonetta).
I'm not going to argue about which system's exclusives are better because not only is it subjective but it's also irrelevant to this discussion.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 30, 2010, 02:03:11 PM
But I also think that the PS3 looks more valuable in the eyes of the average consumer with the big 3D and Bluray push in just about any electronics store nationwide. 360 may have the lionshare of the the popular games and the buzz of Xbox Live, but the average consumer isn't a hardcore gamer and wouldn't know/care about most of that stuff. It's gonna come down to which of the 2 machines would you buy if they were sitting on the shelf next to each other and you had $300+ to spend. Your average consumer would likely buy the PS3 since it's seen as more than just a games machine, it's also a HD movie player that does 3D.
Post by: nickmitch on June 30, 2010, 02:38:01 PM
Post by: vudu on June 30, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
Post by: nickmitch on June 30, 2010, 02:56:33 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 30, 2010, 03:17:48 PM
But the general vibe I've heard is that for multiplatform titles if you have both consoles the Xbox 360 version is usually the way to go. I think Final Fantasy XIII is a big exception. But since I don't own an Xbox 360 I don't pay that much attention to that stuff. I only look at the PS3 version.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 30, 2010, 03:24:30 PM
Both systems are notorious for hardware failure, so maybe they're both about even in that respect. I know two people that have had their PS3 fail on them, and of course the 360 is notorious for that red ring of death crap. Nintendo may be "last gen" hardware, but at least its reliable and isn't notorious for constantly failing.
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 30, 2010, 03:29:54 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 30, 2010, 03:42:23 PM
Do I want a 360 that has games but is likely to be replaced for good in a few years or do I want a PS3 that can play Bluray movies (even though I don't have an HDTV yet) and 3D movies even though I can't afford a 3DTV yet and it has alot of the same games. We all know that Bluray "won" the format war so the PS3 may have a place on the shelf in the living room for many years to come, the 360 is yet another DVD player that has a reputation for failing.
Post by: nickmitch on June 30, 2010, 07:51:21 PM
3D TV's won't catch on for many years (likely after the PS3 is done). Hell, it took HDTV's like 10 years to become affordable and they still have less than a 50% penetration rate. 3D TV's are basically brand new, I bet it will be at least 5 years before eve 10% of homes have one.
Actually, that number has gone up to 65% (http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2010/05/03/daily61.html). And some analysts are saying that 3D will have 50% penetration in 5 years, though most are predicting it to be more on the low end.
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 30, 2010, 08:57:08 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 30, 2010, 10:23:18 PM
But there might be an increase in 3D capable TV's (assuming all TV's that can do 120hz or higher are considered to be 3D capable - not necessarily compatible), but I doubt in 5 years time 50% of current TV owners will have upgraded to a 3DTV especially when so many of us just bought our 2nd, 3rd or 4th HDTV in the last 24months due to falling prices.
Post by: nickmitch on July 01, 2010, 02:59:05 AM
Post by: Pale on July 01, 2010, 11:59:29 AM
I know FF 13 is a ton better on PS3. I've heard that Red Dead is marginally better on PS3.The latest trend is that multiplatform games are better on PS3.
Could you site some examples, because this is the first time I've heard someone who's not a complete fanboy make that claim. (Note: This is not a dig; I'm saying you're not a fanboy and therefore I'm interested in why you think this.) I can't think of any super recent examples, but I've heard lots of claims that 3rd party games have better frame rates, better lighting, etc. on 360 (most recently with Bayonetta).
I'm not going to argue about which system's exclusives are better because not only is it subjective but it's also irrelevant to this discussion.
So at the very least, the multiplatform games are balanced in terms of quality.
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 01, 2010, 12:18:45 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2010, 12:27:31 PM
I dunno. I doubt 50% in 5 years, but I could see 30%. The prices just have to come down, which they should. TVs aren't gonna get (much) bigger (or thinner), and if the tech stays the same, prices should come down a little quicker than HDTVs.
But the main problem is the glasses. The cost of the TV may come down, but you still need to buy glasses and wear glasses to view the 3D. And don't go and get a sweet deal on a 3DTV of a different brand because you're gonna need a whole new set of glasses to watch that on in 3D. Until they fix the issue with wearing glasses, glasses being so expensive or glasses only working with same brand 3DTV's I really don't see 3DTV in it's current form gaining much traction.
Just look at Sony cry about Nintendo making fun of the glasses. Who doesn't look so cool now?
Sony sees the 3DS stealing all the thunder of PS3/3D especially if it comes in at under $200 and you can buy/rent/stream movies for the device.
Sony apparently had nothing ready to combat the 3DS and if Nintendo didn't didn't spill the beans before E3, their conference & booth could've been quite embarrassing.
Post by: Pale on July 01, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
FF13 is not a "ton" better, it's SLIGHTLY better and that is likely because they started working on it sooner than the 360 version.I disagree. The visual fidelity of the cut scenes is a ton different. If you don't think so I can only assume you don't care as much abou them as I (and many others) do.
Gameplay is more or less identical though.
Changing discs is also a minor annoyance that tips it in the PS3s favor.
In general, I think the main reason people are still buying multiplatform games on 360 is because of online integration and achievement points. Important to some, but you surely can't blame the games themselves for infrastructure bonuses like that.
Post by: Caliban on July 01, 2010, 01:02:24 PM
- RDR on PS3 because my local gaming buds all have PS3s. If not for that I would have gone for the 360 version for visual fidelity alone. What is wrong with these devs when they can't even get the same game running exactly the same on 2 separate platforms that can handle whatever it is they are trying to do.
- Any other game with single-player only on 360 just for visual fidelity.
Post by: Pale on July 01, 2010, 01:07:55 PM
I think this debate is just proving that it really is a non issue.
Post by: Caliban on July 01, 2010, 01:32:05 PM
Post by: Pale on July 01, 2010, 02:13:07 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 01, 2010, 04:15:07 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2010, 05:01:25 PM
Hasn't 3D TV/movies been around since like the 1950s? Its nothing remarkable. What is remarkable is when you get it where you don't need to wear those stupid red and blue glasses.
Have you seen a 3D movie in the last 2-3 years? There are no more red & blue glasses.
Post by: nickmitch on July 02, 2010, 01:19:09 PM
I dunno. I doubt 50% in 5 years, but I could see 30%. The prices just have to come down, which they should. TVs aren't gonna get (much) bigger (or thinner), and if the tech stays the same, prices should come down a little quicker than HDTVs.
But the main problem is the glasses. The cost of the TV may come down, but you still need to buy glasses and wear glasses to view the 3D. And don't go and get a sweet deal on a 3DTV of a different brand because you're gonna need a whole new set of glasses to watch that on in 3D. Until they fix the issue with wearing glasses, glasses being so expensive or glasses only working with same brand 3DTV's I really don't see 3DTV in it's current form gaining much traction.
Just look at Sony cry about Nintendo making fun of the glasses. Who doesn't look so cool now?
Sony sees the 3DS stealing all the thunder of PS3/3D especially if it comes in at under $200 and you can buy/rent/stream movies for the device.
Sony apparently had nothing ready to combat the 3DS and if Nintendo didn't didn't spill the beans before E3, their conference & booth could've been quite embarrassing.
I'm sure there will be 3rd Party glasses that'll be cheaper. The main issue with compatibility is the rate at which the glasses open and close the shutters. In fact, Samsung and Panasonic use the same tech, just in reverse (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/samsung-and-panasonic-3dtvs-use-same-active-shutter-glasses-tech/). So cross compatible 3D Specs are possible.
Post by: ThePerm on July 02, 2010, 06:49:31 PM
Hasn't 3D TV/movies been around since like the 1950s? Its nothing remarkable. What is remarkable is when you get it where you don't need to wear those stupid red and blue glasses.
Have you seen a 3D movie in the last 2-3 years? There are no more red & blue glasses.
polarized 3d
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDzkRmOmwfA
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 03, 2010, 09:56:28 AM
Now HDTVs are the rage, and 3D is kinda just being shoehorned into all future models of HDTVs. So as the late adopters of HDTVs starting buying them...they may only have the 3D choice.
The thing about 3D television is its optional. Its not like you buy a 3DTV and everything will be in 3D or has to be 3D, I feel that gives help to get into everyones homes. If I hate 3D but my television costs about the same with 3D as without, then I will buy it with 3D and never use it...just in case.
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 03, 2010, 10:28:40 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2010, 11:25:19 AM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=3608112411929788580&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=ledtv&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960
Post by: nickmitch on July 03, 2010, 01:13:23 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2010, 01:47:42 PM
and the prices only really come down when people really start buying them.You could wait for a clearance, but that's not good for support of the product. Clearance usually means that something better is about to take it's spot on the shelf, clearanced items will see less support going forward.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 03, 2010, 05:42:29 PM
Post by: Mop it up on July 03, 2010, 06:53:26 PM
released the 54-bit N64 instead.Hee hee hee
Post by: KDR_11k on July 04, 2010, 01:58:40 AM
Man I couldn't disagree more. The latest trend is that multiplatform games are better on PS3.
You're one of the three people who regularly read Digital Foundry and take notes, eh?
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 04, 2010, 11:48:52 AM
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 04, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
Post by: ThePerm on July 04, 2010, 02:38:36 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 04, 2010, 03:11:57 PM
Post by: Deguello on July 11, 2010, 09:23:45 PM
But this is basically the objective truth of the matter:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Deguello/fiscal-year-operating-income-03-31-.jpg)
And if that's not enough of a visual aid, here are the raw numbers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Deguello/sony-nintendo-microsoft-operating-i.jpg)
You see how Sony's at -$2 billion even going back as far as before the PS2? All that PS2 dominance? Pfft. Gone. Like it never happened. Now it's eating into their PS1 profits, so much so that one more year of these sorts of losses might actually put them back to into the red for video games, period.
The PS3 is an unmitigated disaster, period. In this light, the comparisons to N64 or GameCube are ridiculous, because during those years, Nintendo made profit off of them, despite taking their licks in the market.
In fact, one begins to wonder if Sony is seriously thinking about becoming a third party, because their hardware is such dead weight to them and they are bleeding money like nobody's business.
EDIT: Changed pic addresses.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 12, 2010, 01:51:45 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 12, 2010, 02:02:24 AM
Post by: Deguello on July 12, 2010, 02:19:29 AM
Meaning that, if they even decide to stay in games at all, you'll see a lot of fat-cutting going on, and it's not going to be pretty. Hell, Sega had more money when they left consoles than Sony's game division does now.
And this horrible place to be in (dead last and almost broke) puts them in a TERRIBLE position to field new products. They aren't gong to sink the same amount of money into a PS4 or a PSP2, because they simply can't afford it. Nor can they afford all those third party incentives either. And it's all because of the PS3.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 12, 2010, 02:26:26 AM
I don't want to invest in Memory Sticks when everything else I use from multiple manufacturers use SD cards & SD cards are cheaper for that reason. I didn't want a PSP because I din't want movies on UMD that couldn't even be played on the big screen when I was at home (would it seriously have killed hem to make a home UMD player?) I stayed far away from MiniDisc casue everyone smelled the fail on that from miles away regardless of how nice it might have been. I was waaay too young to care about BetaMax as some of you here may be too young to know what it is. I'm sure I forgot a few and I don't blame Sony for trying, but they need to know when they've been beat and conform on certain set standards.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 12, 2010, 03:02:54 AM
And has anyone else noticed that the game used in the PSP ad is a rip-off of Mario Kart?
ETA: I think having a kid be the Spokesperson for the PSP and targeting the ads directly at kids is only going to make people look at the PSP as a "Kiddie" piece of hardware. On the other hand, look at Nintendo and how they are marketing the NDS to all markets, including adults very aggressively. Nintendo was once seen as the "kiddie" system, and the GB/GBA was the most kiddie thing of all, but now with the NDS you have grownups using it in their kitchen to help them cook meals, and you have Lisa Kudrow playng it. Can the PSP say that? No, it can't.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 12, 2010, 12:09:54 PM
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Sony might look at the PS4 as a vehicle to get them to shove their next proprietary format down our throats. They tried pulling that crap with the PSP, but no one bought into that UMD crap because Sony just didn't have the clout in the handheld market as they do/did in consoles. I think its important to them that the PS3 succeeds in some level, if nothing else so that the PS4 can be taken seriously and for them its not about gaming at all.
What could Sony possibly do for a PS4? The PS3 just became affordable. How do you top it without, again, having insanely expensive hardware which was the whole problem with the PS3 in the first place? I'm not sure they could do anything but ride it out or give up entirely. If they want to be a console maker they have to stand behind the PS3 because there is nothing else.
Unless they pull a Nintendo and release a new console with a miniscule hardware update but with some unique hardware feature to set it apart. But I don't think Sony can come up with such a feature and I don't think their target audience would be too accepting of such an "upgrade".
Sony would probably do pretty good as a third party actually since they have built up a pretty good lineup of first party games.
Post by: vudu on July 12, 2010, 01:08:12 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 12, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
I would be shocked if the PS4 doesn't use Blu-ray Disc too. BD-ROM's are more than large enough in size, and Sony wants to continue helping the format.
Post by: Caterkiller on July 12, 2010, 01:36:28 PM
Post by: Sarail on July 12, 2010, 01:45:07 PM
Oh my god! People actually speaking about a company going 3rd party and it isn't Nintendo? I forget how the times have changed.Exciting, isn't it? :)
Post by: KDR_11k on July 13, 2010, 02:37:05 AM
Post by: ThePerm on July 13, 2010, 04:54:23 AM
QuoteSony might look at the PS4 as a vehicle to get them to shove their next proprietary format down our throats. They tried pulling that crap with the PSP, but no one bought into that UMD crap because Sony just didn't have the clout in the handheld market as they do/did in consoles. I think its important to them that the PS3 succeeds in some level, if nothing else so that the PS4 can be taken seriously and for them its not about gaming at all.
What could Sony possibly do for a PS4? The PS3 just became affordable. How do you top it without, again, having insanely expensive hardware which was the whole problem with the PS3 in the first place? I'm not sure they could do anything but ride it out or give up entirely. If they want to be a console maker they have to stand behind the PS3 because there is nothing else.
Unless they pull a Nintendo and release a new console with a miniscule hardware update but with some unique hardware feature to set it apart. But I don't think Sony can come up with such a feature and I don't think their target audience would be too accepting of such an "upgrade".
Thats what Move is essentially. For the price of a what the 71 million payed for the wii and will pay for the next console, its going to be what players pay for ps3 next year with move. Instead of releasing a new powerful console like Nintendo is probably going to do they are just going to hold out with their current one and release the move as an upgrade.
Its kinda funny that both companies are employing really long term strategies that seem to compliment each other. The only difference is Nintendo isn't dangerously losing money in the process. Ultimately, as part of a 12 year plan, Sony should be out of the red. That is the differences in the companies. Nintendo never ever ever likes to lose profit, they never lose any, but they do lose potential profit. Sony will have huge successes, but will also have huge losses, ultimately they stay afloat.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 13, 2010, 05:42:38 AM
Post by: ThePerm on July 13, 2010, 05:48:42 AM
Post by: Arbok on July 13, 2010, 11:33:54 AM
Once Nintendo or Microsoft make their move, the PS3 is in trouble. Doesn't matter if its a small upgrade, all that counts is that its an upgrade either in hardware or usability. Once that happens, mind share will start to see the PS3 as an "old machine" and really a console can only get away with that label if its the current generation market leader.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 13, 2010, 01:26:55 PM
So the issue with the PS3 will be whether or not those multiplatform games are "portable" to the PS3 in the longrun. I think at the very least Sony and Nintendo will have similar hardware and MS is the only wildcard. There is also the issue of games reaching a limit where you can go bigger but it isn't cost feasible to do so. I question how much of a jump MS could do that wouldn't cause them much of the same problems the PS3 has had.
Post by: ThePerm on July 13, 2010, 07:06:04 PM
Post by: Pale on July 13, 2010, 07:22:42 PM
So if Sony were to go 3rd party again, what could they offer?
Japan
Japan Studio – Ape Escape, Siren, LocoRoco, Patapon
Team ICO – Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, The Last Guardian
Polyphony Digital – Gran Turismo, Motor Toon Grand Prix 2, Tourist Trophy, Omega Boost
United States
Naughty Dog - Crash Bandicoot, Jak & Daxter series, Uncharted series
Santa Monica Studio – Kinetica, God of War series, Warhawk with Incognito Entertainment
San Diego Studio – NBA, MLB: The Show, Modnation Racers
Sony Bend – Syphon Filter, Resistance: Retribution
Sony Online Entertainment – EverQuest
Zipper Interactive – SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs series, MAG
Europe
London Studio – SingStar, Eyetoy, PlayStation Home with SCE Studio Cambridge
Cambridge Studio – MediEvil, PlayTV, PlayStation Home with SCE London Studio
Liverpool Studio – Wipeout, F1
Evolution Studios – MotorStorm, World Rally Championship
Bigbig Studios – Pursuit Force, MotorStorm: Arctic Edge
Guerrilla Games – Killzone series
Media Molecule – LittleBigPlanet
That's their first party studios according to Wiki. As you can see, there is a ton there.
The problem I see with them going third party is the loss of all those bits of cash they get with every game sale. I would worry that it would cause a significant shift in studio funding given that many of those teams have near unlimited budgets because their games are viewed with a dual purpose; selling games and marketing the system.
It would suck if all the sudden Media Molecule and Naughty Dog had to make their games with half the money because half of the profit opportunities are gone.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 14, 2010, 02:09:50 AM
Sony would probably do pretty good as a third party actually since they have built up a pretty good lineup of first party games.
That's actually how they started out. The first games they made were for the NES/SNES/Genesis/etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Imagesoft
Post by: ThePerm on July 14, 2010, 02:23:44 AM
Post by: Pale on July 14, 2010, 09:35:33 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 14, 2010, 01:04:30 PM
Post by: noname2200 on July 14, 2010, 07:56:50 PM
I just realized that Crash Bandicoot is a blatant ripoff of Sonic the Hedgehog. Anyone else ever notice that?
Can't say as I have. To be honest, I still don't completely see it, either.
Post by: ThePerm on July 14, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
bright colored animal ✓
"system mascot" ✓
An unusual species of animal ✓
back in the day i used to pick on Crash alot, im sorry but he's just unoriginal. Jak and Daxter was a vast improvement from naughty dog, although they were in some ways similar to Banjo-Kazooie. If geocities was still up i'd link to pictures of Mario and Sonic violently attacking Crash that I drew in 8th grade. I ended up collecting crash stuff anyways, I ♥ mascots
Post by: Mop it up on July 14, 2010, 08:04:58 PM
Sonic was created to be a "hip and cool" version of Mario, and I think Crash was too. Rip-off? No. Inspired? Yes.
Post by: ThePerm on July 14, 2010, 08:12:27 PM
although.....
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn174/CS1futuresasuke/Micky_Mouse___Sonic_style.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/theultimateperm/mariomickey.jpg)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2010, 11:31:37 PM
Sony has several great games in its IP chest...which is why I think they don't have to go 3rd party, they just need to get smart about designing new systems. Nintendo learned this lesson, and they are differentiating themselves in the market, and building smart consoles...but now Sony needs to do the same.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 15, 2010, 04:50:02 AM
Any of those things by themselves could be dismissed as coincidence, but if you add them all up its pretty hard to dismiss that Crash the Bandicoot is a rip-off of Sonic the Hedgehog.
ETA: But why should any of this be a surprise to anyone when we're talking about a company which has blatantly ripped off ideas from its competitors countless times throughout the years? Do I really need to bring up Sony's ripping off of Nintendo's SNES controller design or the N64 analog stick ideas? Or how they're ripping off the Wiimote right in the present? With all of that being true and undisputable, why is it such a stretch to believe Sony ripped off its Mascot from Sega's Mascot?
Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2010, 12:22:25 PM
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Do I really need to bring up Sony's ripping off of Nintendo's SNES controller design or the N64 analog stick ideas? Or how they're ripping off the Wiimote right in the present?
I used to give them flack about this but I have since changed my stance. It's a controller. It's just supposed to work. The SNES design is awesome so it makes sense to use it. You want creativity with a controller? Well Kinect is creative but it also is a complete joke. Controllers are practical so creativity is of less importance. Nintendo are the masters of being creative for the sake of creativity and a lot of the time this results in what should be a very straightforward feature becoming a frustrating mess. Games should be creative and original. But basic functional stuff like hardware, controllers and online solutions should be practical. They are merely tools and tools are designed to get the job done, not be entertaining or interesting.
The Dualshock 3 is quite good but before that I never liked how Sony's controllers felt. They felt cheap to me. But I like how they build on what is there. Nothing becomes incompatible. You can play Playstation 1 launch games on a PS3 controller and it works like a dream. Nintendo did this with the SNES and they've done it with their portables but they have insisted on reinventing the wheel the last few console gens and every single time they have some sort of controller issue when a third party developer wants to do something that didn't fit into Nintendo's very specific vision. Nintendo designs controllers for Nintendo and Nintendo alone. Sony designs controllers for everybody. Over time I have come to appreciate Sony's approach.
Nintendo's creativity however is very beneficial to game design. That is the proper avenue to do weird-ass stuff. I encourage it.
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 15, 2010, 01:08:26 PM
As for Crash, I agree that he was designed pretty much as a rip-off of existing mascots. Sony was also clearly aiming him at Mario, the first commercial for Crash Bandicoot (way back in September 1995) had a guy in a Crash costume standing outside of Nintendo of America headquarters with a megaphone and calling Mario out.
Post by: Pale on July 15, 2010, 01:56:02 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 15, 2010, 02:19:11 PM
The Xbox 360 controller is much better than DualShock 3 is. Sony may not have a terrible controller, but I do have several issues with it: the pre-school face buttons (seriously, shapes instead of letters?), the worse "d-pad" I have ever used, and the odd placement of the left analog stick. Considering that the vast majority of games use the analog stick to control rather than the d-pad, you shouldn't have to basically stretch out your left thumb to use it. I hear people bitch about the Z button on the GameCube controller despite your thumb being right there anyways, yet they have no problem with the left analog stick on PlayStation controllers despite it being oddly placed.
As for Crash, I agree that he was designed pretty much as a rip-off of existing mascots. Sony was also clearly aiming him at Mario, the first commercial for Crash Bandicoot (way back in September 1995) had a guy in a Crash costume standing outside of Nintendo of America headquarters with a megaphone and calling Mario out.
Agreed with everything 100%. I dislike the Sony controllers for the exact same reasons you pointed out, but they never fix those issues. Every gen we see the exact same controller from Sony with the same annoying problems that it has had since the PS1 era, and they just don't seem to get it or they just don't care.
I really liked the GC controller, and I'm sad to see that setup has been abandoned. The GC controller felt "right" in my hands, and the different sized/colored buttons made it easier to figure out what you were doing and less likely to hit the wrong button by mistake. It wasn't perfect, no, but I liked it better than the classic controller Nintendo is using now, and better than anything from the competition. Although, the Xbox controller isn't that bad either... at least with the xbox controller the analog stick is in the proper primary position.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
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the pre-school face buttons (seriously, shapes instead of letters?)
Yes! I HATE this! :@
I'll get used to what button does what by feel but any time the game tells me that some new function is done with triangle or whatever I have to look to figure out what button that is. With letters I never have to do this. I know what button is X or A instantly. Shapes are not intuitive since, you know, we don't read and write with shapes. Even numbers would be fine.
I got God of War a few years back to see what the fuss was about (not much apparently) and the first quick time event I encountered just kicked my ass. It's flashing these shapes at me and I don't know what the **** they mean. What the **** is square? How would I instinctively know where square is? Even if I know where it is I can't press it if someone just yells at me to push it right now. I still have to think about it.
The Classic Controller Pro is what the Playstation controller should be. It's the same design but it's got a better d-pad and instinctive letter-named buttons. Though I think the d-pad on the Dualshock 3 feels much better. The Dualshock 3 lacks the cheap feel the PS1&2 controllers had.
Post by: Ymeegod on July 16, 2010, 07:31:21 AM
Sometimes I get a tad confused (because I own all the consoles so I switch back and forth alot) but I find the Sony's color coded symbols works great for me. The GC had the easiest layout because the buttons were "shaped" but that made alot of games unplayable--namely fighters where you had to mash buttons together.
I guess it goes by how many hours you log into something, with me I logged in 1000's of hours on the PS1&PS2 so the PS3 controller is a no-brainer. Watch my nephew play and it really didn't slow him down (facebuttons), the only ones he has trouble with was the shoulder buttons (R1&R2).
Post by: Ymeegod on July 16, 2010, 07:35:45 AM
Post by: noname2200 on July 16, 2010, 10:27:15 AM
Post by: Sarail on July 16, 2010, 10:33:19 AM
I know exactly what Ian's talking about, too. I always get Triangle and Square mixed up if an on-screen contextual button command appears. It's highly frustrating. And that's even after using the PS controller design for 10+ years. Crazy.
Post by: Pale on July 16, 2010, 12:57:48 PM
I can't stand going between a classic nintendo controller and the 360 controller.
BA - YX vs. AB - XY
I wish Microsoft would have just copied Nintendo there to save us all the confusion.
Post by: noname2200 on July 16, 2010, 01:09:17 PM
It took me a long time to get used to the symbols on the PS3 controller, but they are second nature.
I can't stand going between a classic nintendo controller and the 360 controller.
BA - YX vs. AB - XY
I wish Microsoft would have just copied Nintendo there to save us all the confusion.
THANK YOU!
I was starting to think I was the only one that had this problem!
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 16, 2010, 01:25:04 PM
Post by: ThePerm on July 16, 2010, 04:36:36 PM
Post by: Mop it up on July 16, 2010, 06:25:28 PM
Post by: ThePerm on July 16, 2010, 06:48:19 PM
Post by: Sarail on July 16, 2010, 07:59:24 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 17, 2010, 04:34:56 AM
But in all seriousness, it would have done wonders if the buttons were actually shaped like the shapes that represent them. For example, the square button should be square, and the triangle should be well, a triangle... why the hell couldn't that have been done? That way you wouldn't have to look, because you could physically feel with your fingers exactly what button you were pressing.
Post by: noname2200 on July 17, 2010, 12:35:37 PM
Sony should redesign their controller to have a four-leaf clover button, heart button, and a horseshoe button.
But in all seriousness, it would have done wonders if the buttons were actually shaped like the shapes that represent them. For example, the square button should be square, and the triangle should be well, a triangle... why the hell couldn't that have been done? That way you wouldn't have to look, because you could physically feel with your fingers exactly what button you were pressing.
For starters, pressing an X-shaped button would be awkward.
Post by: Mop it up on July 17, 2010, 01:23:33 PM
Post by: noname2200 on July 17, 2010, 01:36:39 PM
Post by: Mop it up on July 17, 2010, 01:53:37 PM
Post by: noname2200 on July 17, 2010, 02:02:09 PM
If Sony cared about comfort over appearance, they wouldn't have created a symmetrical controller with a "disconnected" d-pad, and buttons designated by shapes instead of letters.
I'm actually pretty convinced that those decisions, along with the grips and extra shoulder buttons, were done primarily to avoid a lawsuit with Nintendo. "See your honor? Shapes, not letters! Not-really-a-D=Pad! Moar buttons! Not a patent infringement at all!"
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 17, 2010, 02:35:09 PM
< ^ v >
That would be pretty easy to feel around with out having to look down.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 17, 2010, 02:40:42 PM
Sony should redesign their controller to have a four-leaf clover button, heart button, and a horseshoe button.
But in all seriousness, it would have done wonders if the buttons were actually shaped like the shapes that represent them. For example, the square button should be square, and the triangle should be well, a triangle... why the hell couldn't that have been done? That way you wouldn't have to look, because you could physically feel with your fingers exactly what button you were pressing.
For starters, pressing an X-shaped button would be awkward.
Not really. You could feel the x-shape with your finger and not have to look down at it. What would be awkward about it? It would be less awkward than it is now where the buttons have the same shape and size.
ETA: I think I can see what you mean if we were talking about a skinny stick-figure type X button, but it doesn't have to be like that. It could be a thick fat X.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 17, 2010, 02:48:52 PM
If Sony cared about comfort over appearance, they wouldn't have created a symmetrical controller with a "disconnected" d-pad, and buttons designated by shapes instead of letters.
I'm actually pretty convinced that those decisions, along with the grips and extra shoulder buttons, were done primarily to avoid a lawsuit with Nintendo. "See your honor? Shapes, not letters! Not-really-a-D=Pad! Moar buttons! Not a patent infringement at all!"
True, but the layout is the same. They basically took an SNES controller and addred grips, disconnected the D-Pad, and named the buttons after Shapes. But if you put those changes aside, its pretty blatantly a rip-off of the SNES controller. Then right after the N64 came out Sony ripped off the Analog stick concept and tacked them on in the most un-ergonomic positions. The Playstation controller hasn't changed at all since then, except for the addition of wireless and SIXAXIS. In every other respect its the same (oh, and the home button too).
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 17, 2010, 03:04:06 PM
I'm not sure how you can consider the PS3 d-pad worse than the 360. The 360 is barely usable.
Correct. And I used to think the 360 controller was better then the DS. But after switching between both versions of GTA4 I must say I feel like I am significantly more comfortable with the dual shocks analog sticks than with the 360.
I suggest trying it for yourself and seeing if you agree. However, the shapes are real retarded.
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 17, 2010, 03:17:45 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 17, 2010, 03:19:08 PM
I don't get the problems with the d-pad. It may not be the best one i've seen, but it is more than good enough.
The 360 one? Almost think its dependent on the controller. I think maybe there are just faulty ones out there, however, the design isn't as nice as the Nintendo d-pad or the Sony pad.
Post by: Pale on July 17, 2010, 04:49:02 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 17, 2010, 05:48:04 PM
Post by: Guitar Smasher on July 17, 2010, 05:48:18 PM
Post by: nickmitch on July 17, 2010, 06:02:10 PM
The 360 d-pad, i believe, is an 8-way d-pad. 8 sounds better than 4, but combine that with how it's designed, and it's next to impossible to reliably press one direction, without accidentally pressing the diagonal near by.
I've had that problem with the 360 controller. I think it's just the positioning though because I have the same issue with the PS3 controller.
Post by: Peachylala on July 17, 2010, 07:56:38 PM
Post by: Mop it up on July 17, 2010, 09:16:40 PM
The 360 d-pad, i believe, is an 8-way d-pad. 8 sounds better than 4, but combine that with how it's designed, and it's next to impossible to reliably press one direction, without accidentally pressing the diagonal near by.Isn't every D-pad 8-way?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 18, 2010, 01:01:55 AM
I don't get the problems with the d-pad. It may not be the best one i've seen, but it is more than good enough.
My main gripe is that its in the wrong spot. However, the fact its a detached D-pad is also a cause for criticism.
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 18, 2010, 02:09:19 AM
Post by: MegaByte on July 18, 2010, 02:41:51 AM
I think it's the notion of the order of letters. On a SNES pad, the letters went backwards from left to right Y -> X and B -> A. That created a mental note in your mind as to what button to push when directed to do so on screen. You can't get that from the PS controller. Maybe the L1/2 and R1/2 buttons... but definitely not the face buttons. There's no order to shapes.Actually, the shapes line up exactly with YXBA if you think of them as numbers, where the number of "line" segments in the shape represents the number. Circle = 1, X = 2, Triangle = 3, Square = 4
X
Y A
B
3
4 1
2
△
□ ○
×
Post by: ThePerm on July 18, 2010, 02:47:56 AM
The 360 d-pad, i believe, is an 8-way d-pad. 8 sounds better than 4, but combine that with how it's designed, and it's next to impossible to reliably press one direction, without accidentally pressing the diagonal near by.Isn't every D-pad 8-way?
only if the buttons are connected, i think sony's d-pad is connected underneath though
also i remember why it was news that Nintendo's d-pad patent had expired
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/06/800px-Dreamcast_Controller.jpg
also note, its almost as if the dreamcast 360 controllers are related
Post by: Guitar Smasher on July 18, 2010, 02:49:46 AM
I guess I'm not smart enough to be a Playstation gamer...I think it's the notion of the order of letters. On a SNES pad, the letters went backwards from left to right Y -> X and B -> A. That created a mental note in your mind as to what button to push when directed to do so on screen. You can't get that from the PS controller. Maybe the L1/2 and R1/2 buttons... but definitely not the face buttons. There's no order to shapes.Actually, the shapes line up exactly with YXBA if you think of them as numbers, where the number of "line" segments in the shape represents the number. Circle = 1, X = 2, Triangle = 3, Square = 4
X
Y A
B
3
4 1
2
△
□ ○
×
And not to rain on your parade but there aren't any "line" segments in a circle.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 18, 2010, 02:50:22 AM
Post by: ThePerm on July 18, 2010, 02:51:45 AM
same letter layout, different color layout
Post by: MegaByte on July 18, 2010, 03:05:24 AM
And not to rain on your parade but there aren't any "line" segments in a circle.Hence the term "line" and not line.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 18, 2010, 05:50:34 AM
Post by: Pale on July 18, 2010, 10:39:08 AM
I could be totally wrong here as I haven't done any research. But i was always under the impression that Nintendo d-pad's were only 4 way when it comes to sensors, but they could read when two directions were pressed at once in order to get diagonals. That's as opposed to actually having 8 sensors under it.The 360 d-pad, i believe, is an 8-way d-pad. 8 sounds better than 4, but combine that with how it's designed, and it's next to impossible to reliably press one direction, without accidentally pressing the diagonal near by.Isn't every D-pad 8-way?
Post by: ThePerm on July 18, 2010, 02:52:02 PM
Microsoft had a hand in the making of the Dreamcast, if I'm not mistaken. You could look at the relationship between the Xbox and the Dreamcast as being similar to the relationship between the SNES and the PS1 (the Playstation was meant to be a CD-ROM addon for the SNES).
Microsoft
"hey sega we are making a console isn't that cool!"
Sega
"hey, this sort of puts me in a bad position for competition right?"
Microsoft
"oh right"
Post by: MegaByte on July 18, 2010, 03:01:01 PM
(http://www.instructables.com/image/F5IJELQF905432N/DIY-Fix-the-d-pad-on-the-Xbox-360-control-pad-mor.jpg)
Post by: Mop it up on July 18, 2010, 03:31:22 PM
I remember the controller description for NES called it an 8-way D-pad, probably because it can register 8 directions, so people probably call it that even if it technically isn't.
Post by: MegaByte on July 18, 2010, 03:37:03 PM
Post by: Mop it up on July 18, 2010, 03:40:19 PM
I've always wondered what would happen if you pressed two opposite directions that you shouldn't physically be able to do, but I've never had the guts to try it...
Post by: Pale on July 18, 2010, 06:03:05 PM
God, it really is just bad design then that I constantly push up on the 360 when I mean to push right.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 18, 2010, 06:14:39 PM
That's interesting. I must have just assumed the 360 pad was 8-way because one of my old sidewinders was and I hated that.
God, it really is just bad design then that I constantly push up on the 360 when I mean to push right.
I always had problems in Gears of War when trying to switch to the shotgun.
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on July 18, 2010, 10:31:29 PM
Would there even be any functional difference between a D-pad with 8 sensors and one with 4? It doesn't seem like there would be.
In addition to what MegaByte has contributed, there's an issue with "sensor accuracy" as well. Depending on how well the D-pad is constructed, you could have issues with reading diagonal directions in a controller with only four (like many old third-party controllers had issues with). Of course, we've never had problems like those. :reggie:
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 19, 2010, 05:38:22 AM
Post by: Sarail on July 19, 2010, 10:17:11 AM
Why can't the D-Pad just be a circular disc?
This is why I'm excited to use the new Slide Pad on the 3DS.
Post by: Stogi on July 21, 2010, 04:16:19 PM
Anyway, I'd like to applaud Sony at being so god damn present thinking that they can't see a year in front of them. I'd like to thank the board of directors that whipped they're underlings into servitude as it has kept new ideas and innovation out of the conversation. And lastly, I liked to thank you; You the teetering whore who can't decide whether to lick Sony's balls or nuzzle Nintendo's teet. You are the best of all.
Post by: Deguello on July 21, 2010, 06:52:27 PM
Post by: Stogi on July 22, 2010, 03:58:42 AM
Pale.
Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 22, 2010, 06:14:57 AM
Move controller is $69.95
Nav Controller is $49.85
The Move starter Kit is $99.95. (Includes Move contoller, PS eye and a starter disc.)
This is from EB, so you can probably find it cheaper elsewhere.
So $150 for a standalone set. You could get a whole Wii system with a dodgy game for $200 last weekend.
Post by: stevey on December 29, 2010, 06:44:23 PM
The PS3 has been cracked more or less permanently. One of the Reasons: When one of Sony's "security experts" read that there needs to be a random number in their encryption algorithm, he thought up a random number on the spot and hard coded it in instead of using a different one, every time.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/n64/random_number.png) (http://xkcd.com/221/)
So now hackers have a method to get every one of sony's signing keys.
Link (http://psgroove.com/content.php?581-Sony-s-PS3-Security-is-Epic-Fail-Videos-Within&s=05e71c8264d2e098bf73b4de6b16433e)
Post by: noname2200 on December 30, 2010, 01:17:14 PM
The PS3 has been cracked more or less permanently. One of the Reasons: When one of Sony's "security experts" read that there needs to be a random number in their encryption algorithm, he thought up a random number on the spot and hard coded it in instead of using a different one, every time.
Please oh please oh PLEASE tell me you're joking here...
Post by: oohhboy on December 30, 2010, 01:32:41 PM
(http://overpixelated.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/picard-facepalm2.jpg)
PS, stevey needs to fix his linky (http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/fail0verflow-27c3-ps3-epic-fail-now-live-demo-73986/)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
Post by: Shaymin on December 30, 2010, 02:42:44 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on December 30, 2010, 03:01:27 PM
Sony needed to hire a REALLY smart programmer to do this and it's kind of funny that they not only seem to have handed this duty to someone who not only seems to be below-average intelligence by programmer standards but by just general human being standards period. If I asked pretty much anyone to create a "random number generator" for me, odds are 99% of them would naturally assume I meant for a different random number each time. You would have to really stunned to think I just want one random number. Well what do I need a generator for then? I can do that myself. I randomly pick.... 23. Done. No generator needed.
But the big question is: who the **** tested this? It would take very little effort to discover "hey I get 4 every time." Now if someone is inexperienced with testing or does not have a technical background they might not catch it. But this is security stuff. It's all behind-the-curtain technical stuff. You would naturally get a technical person to test it. And this is REALLY important. We're talking millions in potential revenue lost if this is not done right. With that at stake you don't get the intern who doesn't give a **** to test it, you get your best guy to test it. You get several independent people to test it. You set up a team to specifically TRY to crack the security. They either didn't test this at all or Sony unfortunately has both a really dumb programmer and a really lazy slack-off tester working for them.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2010, 03:19:11 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2010, 03:50:23 PM
maybe the programmer was the tester
shyamalantwist.jpg
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2010, 08:13:57 PM
Post by: vudu on January 07, 2011, 04:59:41 PM
Post by: Crimm on January 07, 2011, 05:11:41 PM
Also, please don't wish for banning...or death. Seriously people, I shouldn't have to tell you this.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 07, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
Y
Post by: ThePerm on January 07, 2011, 05:34:23 PM
Post by: broodwars on January 07, 2011, 05:47:41 PM
I like how he split the thread, and kept it going from the point when the thread was still good.
*shrugs* Things got out-of-hand with one poster, but I thought that the discussion overall was pretty good and most people kept things civil. Oh well.
To be honest, I'm just throwing this out there, but does this entire topic even need to exist? The whole thread was started to mock Sony for its sales failings with the PS3 and PSP. The thread seems designed for anti-Sony posters to troll those who do enjoy playing PS3/PSP games. If the thread stays, fine since most posters keep the discussion pretty civil. It's just that the thread has always seemed pretty mean-spirited.
Post by: oohhboy on January 07, 2011, 06:39:52 PM
A shame it went from this:
(http://overpixelated.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/picard-facepalm2.jpg)
To this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/CaptainChewbacca/Inspiration/PicardMotivator.jpg)
Image curiosity of one Captain Chewbacca.
This thread should exist as it is the defacto Sony news thread of which most of it happens to be bad for Sony.
Post by: ThePerm on January 07, 2011, 06:57:02 PM
see that talk works in reverse too.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 07, 2011, 08:02:57 PM
I mostly disagree about it being mean spirited. This thread serves as a critical discussion of Sony's moves, and their results. Yes, the insights are mostly negative, but there have been posts highlighting some of Sony's recent achievements (for example the sales bumps after the slim and move were released). I would be fine with changing the title, but then I'd probably forget about this thread eventually.I like how he split the thread, and kept it going from the point when the thread was still good.
*shrugs* Things got out-of-hand with one poster, but I thought that the discussion overall was pretty good and most people kept things civil. Oh well.
To be honest, I'm just throwing this out there, but does this entire topic even need to exist? The whole thread was started to mock Sony for its sales failings with the PS3 and PSP. The thread seems designed for anti-Sony posters to troll those who do enjoy playing PS3/PSP games. If the thread stays, fine since most posters keep the discussion pretty civil. It's just that the thread has always seemed pretty mean-spirited.
But if you insist that this is designed for anti-sony trolls and should be removed, then I'll have to insist on the removal of a certain Nintendo-hating troll (I don't actually consider either group trolls, but for comparison's sake...). I'd prefer if we just showed tolerance.
Post by: broodwars on January 07, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
But if you insist that this is designed for anti-sony trolls and should be removed, then I'll have to insist on the removal of a certain Nintendo-hating troll (I don't actually consider either group trolls, but for comparison's sake...). I'd prefer if we just showed tolerance.
Out of curiosity, who are you referring to? Ian? I know I've had a lot of good to say about Nintendo this year.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 07, 2011, 08:30:28 PM
Yes, I thought it was obvious. I'm always feeling I pick on him too much, but he really distinguishes himself from everyone else.But if you insist that this is designed for anti-sony trolls and should be removed, then I'll have to insist on the removal of a certain Nintendo-hating troll (I don't actually consider either group trolls, but for comparison's sake...). I'd prefer if we just showed tolerance.
Out of curiosity, who are you referring to? Ian? I know I've had a lot of good to say about Nintendo this year.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 07, 2011, 08:47:02 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 07, 2011, 08:49:50 PM
Not to mention the fact it was started way back in 2006, so it has a good history to it and sees regular activity. That alone should be enough to keep it from being closed. I am glad the moderators split off the piracy and other unpleasantness and locked that instead of locking this thread. The bad stuff has been excised so the thread is a lot cleaner now, imo.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 07, 2011, 10:03:55 PM
I haven't kept track of this thread for a long time, but it's become so damn long that it's almost a timeline of hatred. It waxes, it wanes, but the hate is always there. LOL
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 07, 2011, 10:49:14 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 07, 2011, 11:41:33 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 08, 2011, 12:43:10 AM
Besides, the only reason it's so negative is because Sony's a terrible company who always rips off Nintendo and deserves to crash and burn after their undeserved success in the previous generations.
It sorta also doesn't help matters that this is primarily a Nintendo site, so I would think the outrage over that kind of stuff gets amplified here more so than it would on most forums.
Post by: Crimm on January 10, 2011, 05:05:13 PM
This thread has been very mean-spirited at times (and has generally been a Sony trolling thread), but there's no reason it should go anywhere. I'd rather have the trolling contained here than spread rampant across the boards like it has been at various times in the last five years.
I haven't kept track of this thread for a long time, but it's become so damn long that it's almost a timeline of hatred. It waxes, it wanes, but the hate is always there. LOL
Why always with the LOL? If you're going to grief at least do it right! I'm talking replacing the website theme with horrible flash files that play music.
...not that I've done that.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 10, 2011, 05:13:29 PM
DO THE RIGHT THING
Post by: ShyGuy on January 10, 2011, 05:40:33 PM
PS3 breeds hatred
Post by: broodwars on January 11, 2011, 04:55:17 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 11, 2011, 05:02:20 PM
Playstation
Post by: Shaymin on January 11, 2011, 05:23:47 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 11, 2011, 11:31:18 PM
Apparently (http://www.1up.com/news/report-sony-capable-disabling-jailbroken), if push comes to shove and heavy piracy arises due to the recent PS3 security breaches, Sony has the technology to remotely disable any PS3 connected to the internet regardless of whether it has a Playstation Network Account. This is because the PS3 routinely reports back to Sony about what software has been run on your PS3 (ok, that's a little frightening), so Sony can just look at your software history; see that you have run illegal software; and then remotely disable your PS3 via internet. On the one hand, it is nice that Sony has a way to deal with pirates. On the other hand, although Sony likely won't do it, it is very unsettling that Sony has the capability (and possibly legal right?) to shut down and lock my PS3 any time they don't like what I've been playing. I don't like where this is heading...Technically Nintendo and Microsoft have the "technology" to do this too, and the Wii and Xbox 360 push your gaming history to their respective domains as well. I don't think Sony has the right to actually do this, since there hasn't been any legal precedent set for the PS3 JailBreak - and if it ends up being anything like the iPhone, then it's perfectly legal. I don't think Sony is stupid enough to even attempt something like this (actually breaking consoles), and I think Nintendo has set the perfect example for how to deal with hackers - if they update, remove their homebrew. Of course the simple thing to do is just turn off your PS3's internet connection if you're worried.
Post by: Morari on January 12, 2011, 10:14:37 AM
Post by: broodwars on January 12, 2011, 12:51:11 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 12, 2011, 02:44:55 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 12, 2011, 04:33:06 PM
...it's been mirrored on several sites now (http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/carnegie-mellon-professor-challenges-sony-mirrors-geohots-site-75577/).
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2011, 04:36:06 PM
Post by: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 04:46:07 PM
I can see a lot of the charges being dropped, but the fact remains that they posted their jailbreaking method for the purpose of helping others to do it, which is in fact, illegal.
We'll see what happens I guess.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 12, 2011, 04:53:17 PM
Well, they are officially taking it court now.Are you a lawyer? Last time I checked, freedom of speech wasn't illegal.
I can see a lot of the charges being dropped, but the fact remains that they posted their jailbreaking method for the purpose of helping others to do it, which is in fact, illegal.
We'll see what happens I guess.
Post by: broodwars on January 12, 2011, 04:58:09 PM
Well, they are officially taking it court now.Are you a lawyer? Last time I checked, freedom of speech wasn't illegal.
I can see a lot of the charges being dropped, but the fact remains that they posted their jailbreaking method for the purpose of helping others to do it, which is in fact, illegal.
We'll see what happens I guess.
Let's not start this again, please...both of you.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2011, 04:58:29 PM
Well, they are officially taking it court now.
I can see a lot of the charges being dropped, but the fact remains that they posted their jailbreaking method for the purpose of helping others to do it, which is in fact, illegal.
We'll see what happens I guess.
How exactly is it illegal? Jailbreaking a phone is explicitly legal, so long as you're not doing illegal things with it, so why shouldn't jailbreaking a game console be the same? And if it's legal to do something, then it's legal to tell other people how to do it.
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2011, 05:00:54 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 12, 2011, 05:51:58 PM
Post by: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 08:21:15 PM
Everyone is free to jailbreak a device they payed for, with the realization that they in doing so they void the warranty and risk bricking their system.
It is however, illegal to jailbreak someone elses device, even if they ask you to do it. I don't make the rules, but those are they, and freedom of speech has its limits; .... There was a pedophile recently arrested because he wrote and self-published a book about how to be a pedophile (there are some entrapment concerns with the case, but even if they rule it was entrapment, it'll likely just become a federal case and he'll be jailed and raped and beaten like all pedophiles deserve... but I digress). I don't agree with Sony's stance, but I understand it, and I think they may have a case, but like I said; I guess we'll see.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 12, 2011, 08:26:40 PM
Thank you BnM, I don't know if you were agreeing with me, but that is all I was saying.No, it is not. I don't know where you got that information from, but it's not true, and it doesn't apply to geohot (coincidentally he's the same guy that came out with the iPhone jaibreak) and Sony anyway.
Everyone is free to jailbreak a device they payed for, with the realization that they in doing so they void the warranty and risk bricking their system.
It is however, illegal to jailbreak someone elses device, even if they ask you to do it. I don't make the rules, but those are they, and freedom of speech has its limits; .... There was a pedophile recently arrested because he wrote and self-published a book about how to be a pedophile (there are some entrapment concerns with the case, but even if they rule it was entrapment, it'll likely just become a federal case and he'll be jailed and raped and beaten like all pedophiles deserve... but I digress). I don't agree with Sony's stance, but I understand it, and I think they may have a case, but like I said; I guess we'll see.
Post by: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 08:30:59 PM
Post by: Stogi on January 12, 2011, 08:58:14 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2011, 09:12:57 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 12, 2011, 09:34:59 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 12, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Post by: vudu on January 13, 2011, 09:31:17 AM
Post by: MaryJane on January 13, 2011, 09:46:03 AM
Post by: oohhboy on January 13, 2011, 09:58:02 AM
OJ Simpson in a Sony thread? Seriously guys? Cut it out.
This is why I stayed the hell out after the first time. You just know there is going to be some seriously messed up analogies getting fired off in every which direction and someone is going to get shot.
Post by: vudu on January 13, 2011, 10:35:06 AM
If OJ were to jailbreak a PS3 (assuming he could afford one) then Geohotz wouldn't stand a chance in court.
Okay, this was pretty funny.
Sony could always hire OJ to take out Geohotz and then leave behind a small, bloody, glove, with none of his DNA on it.
Could Geohotz counter-sue Sony and say that them trying to seize his computer is taking his livelihood, essentially killing him like OJ allegedly did to his wife?
This was not.
Last warning. Next person to mention any running back in this thread gets banned.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 13, 2011, 11:48:09 AM
Post by: UncleBob on January 13, 2011, 07:47:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/TheUncleBob/censored.jpg)
:D
Post by: Morari on January 13, 2011, 11:55:33 PM
Post by: broodwars on January 14, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
Post by: Morari on January 14, 2011, 01:46:20 PM
Post by: broodwars on January 14, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
Adding and removing virtual trophies? The bastards! How could anyone bring themselves to do such a thing. I mean, they'll absolutely destroy everyone's gameplay experience by giving themselves trophies!
Like I said, my concern is that this will mutate into a way to harm the trophies of other legit players through online play or viruses distributed via PSN. Otherwise, whatever. The trophy system is just a way to mark your own achievement in a game and compare it with others on your friends list. It's pretty obvious to tell when someone's using a hack like this, and you can just remove them from your friends list.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 14, 2011, 01:56:12 PM
OTOH, if hackers start giving themselves these really hard to get trophies then that cheapens their value and is a bad thing for those who actually earned them the hard way. So either way, whether a hacker is using it to harm someone else or only to "help" themselves, its still doing harm. If anyone can give themselves the trophies without earning them then there is no longer any point to them and just ruins the whole thing.
Post by: Morari on January 14, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
If anyone can give themselves the trophies without earning them then there is no longer any point to them and just ruins the whole thing.
Only if the reason behind trophies is to compare penis size. I would think that most people would at least try to pretend that it's about the challenge and personal achievement inherent in it.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2011, 03:38:53 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2011, 04:33:30 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 15, 2011, 01:31:25 AM
If anyone can give themselves the trophies without earning them then there is no longer any point to them and just ruins the whole thing.
Only if the reason behind trophies is to compare penis size. I would think that most people would at least try to pretend that it's about the challenge and personal achievement inherent in it.
Penises have nothing to do with it.
Post by: noname2200 on January 17, 2011, 05:25:02 PM
So far, so good (http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/geohot-safe-temporary-restraining-order-75916/).
If this is in reference to what I think it is, it's more of a delay than a victory; lack of venue is easy enough to get around, if you have the resources to proceed in the proper venue. Although reading the tortured logic in the Complaint re: venue is definitely worth a laugh! "Bushing" might be proper, but the rest...
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 24, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/geohot-lawyers-move-dismissal-78241/ (http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/geohot-lawyers-move-dismissal-78241/)
Sony might be able to get another case against him (not sure if they can do that if the case gets dismissed) and take it to New Jersey, but this whole California thing is getting thrown in their face. It's also pretty hilarious that they're saying he violated the PSN TOS (which apparently is now a criminal offense?) and they've proven several times that George Hotz does not have a PSN account, and the one that Sony had assumed was his (also hilarious), "Geo1Hotz," is some 15 year old kid who lives in Rhode Island.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 24, 2011, 02:14:39 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 24, 2011, 03:12:31 PM
It's getting better.
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/geohot-lawyers-move-dismissal-78241/ (http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/geohot-lawyers-move-dismissal-78241/)
Sony might be able to get another case against him (not sure if they can do that if the case gets dismissed) and take it to New Jersey, but this whole California thing is getting thrown in their face. It's also pretty hilarious that they're saying he violated the PSN TOS (which apparently is now a criminal offense?) and they've proven several times that George Hotz does not have a PSN account, and the one that Sony had assumed was his (also hilarious), "Geo1Hotz," is some 15 year old kid who lives in Rhode Island.
Nothing has changed. It's standard practice for anyone being sued to move for dismissal, it's the same way in criminal cases (the defense lawyer will almost always move to dismiss the case). The case is still going forward in California for the moment.
Post by: noname2200 on January 24, 2011, 09:36:37 PM
It's also pretty hilarious that they're saying he violated the PSN TOS (which apparently is now a criminal offense?)
It is not, and Sony is not claiming that it is. However, the Terms of Service (apparently) include a term in which the consumer agrees to let Sony sue him/her in California. You can give a court jurisdiction over you in several ways, even if you're from a different state; a contract is one such way. Of course, those terms are rarely enforced in cases such as this, where the parties have grossly unequal bargaining power and the contract was an adhesion contract...
Post by: Shaymin on January 24, 2011, 10:35:42 PM
(Nearly put POS in there, which would be a completely different issue...)
Post by: noname2200 on January 24, 2011, 10:54:28 PM
Isn't the core of the case that the "hacker" never agreed to the TOS of PlayStation Network in the first place?
(Nearly put POS in there, which would be a completely different issue...)
No. You can establish jurisdiction in other ways, and the complaint itself alleges violations of several laws, not the Terms of Service.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 27, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 27, 2011, 01:46:53 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 27, 2011, 02:11:53 PM
Post by: broodwars on January 27, 2011, 02:23:12 PM
Which law would you be talking about?
I would assume the DMCA.
Post by: Morari on January 27, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
Looks like the judge likes money.
Don't they all? That's how we all got into the position where this is even an issue to begin with.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 27, 2011, 08:29:48 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on February 03, 2011, 07:09:54 PM
Playstation group profit up 135% in Q3. (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/03/sony-posts-strong-q3-profits-135-in-playstation-group/)
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Despite a small 6% dip in quarterly sales year-over-year, "due to a decrease in sales in the game business resulting primarily from unfavorable foreign exchange rates," Sony's Networked Products & Services group, which houses its PlayStation brand, posted an impressive ¥45.7 billion (rougly $564 million) in profits for the third quarter period, ended December 31, an impressive 135% boost over the prior-year period. "The game business benefited from significant cost reductions of PlayStation 3 ("PS3") hardware and higher unit sales of PS3 software," the earnings report reads.
Though quarterly sales of both the PlayStation 3 and PSP lagged year-over-year, Sony is forecasting 15 million PS3 consoles sold for the fiscal year, compared to 13 million for the year prior. Coupled with the aforementioned "cost reductions" and significant bumps in PlayStation 3 software sales, things are looking up in PS3-land. Over in PSP and PS2 land, things aren't so bright. The PSP, recently stricken by hardware obsolescence (http://www.joystiq.com/tag/ngp), is forecasted to sell eight million units for the year, versus nearly ten million last year, while the PS2 is on track to rack up six million in sales, compared to over seven million last year.
Toss in some profitability on the PSN front – Sony's working on it (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/24/sonys-hirai-playstation-network-not-yet-profitable/) – and fiscal 2011 is looking bright for Sony.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 03, 2011, 08:01:42 PM
Post by: ThePerm on February 04, 2011, 12:30:07 AM
But did this forecast take into account the recent total and absolute cracking of the PS3 security and what effect that will have? I hate when analysts publish their forecasts after some major game altering event and don't take that event into account. The same thing happened to the Wii when all those analyst assholes were predicting the Wii would be in distant third and sell less than the Gamecube. They made that prediction even AFTER E3 where it was unveiled to huge hype. Why did they still publish their idiotic dumbass predictions even after something major like that said they were wrong? It makes me want to punch them in the face. It just doesn't seem right to me that these jerks are paid so much money when people on forums like this know far more than they do.
haters gonna hate
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 05, 2011, 11:19:02 AM
What's kind of silly, is they don't know who any of the actual defendants they listed are. One of them, Waninkoko, lives in Spain, and the Spanish court recently decided that jailbreaking your PS3 is 100% legal. I suppose they can try to show their EULA argument, but I don't think it will get too far. I think they're just going to file suit after suit to cause financial harm to all of these people (who are customers of Sony).
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 05, 2011, 07:50:30 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2011, 01:21:00 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-08-lg-wants-playstation-3-banned-in-the-us
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Korean company LG wants Sony's PlayStation 3 and Bravia tellys banned in the US for what it claims are patent infringements relating to Blu-ray playback.*New PS3Slim model
The Foss Patents blog contacted Eurogamer to reveal documents filed with the US International Trade Commission in Washington relating to the complaint.
The ITC has the power to block imports of products that violate US patents.
LG claims Sony is infringing four of its patents in a complaint that broadly relates to "certain electronic devices having a Blu-Ray Disc player and components thereof", but the PlayStation 3 (*Model No. CECH-2501A) is the only Sony product to be specifically named in the main document of the complaint.
A Bloomberg reports suggests LG's claims are revenge for cases brought against it by Sony in December. Sony claims the Seoul-based company is infringing seven of its patents relating to LG phones. Sony has also filed a civil lawsuit against LG Blu-ray players.
LG and Sony are the world's second- and third-largest TV makers, trailing Samsung.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 08, 2011, 02:15:56 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 08, 2011, 02:30:07 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 08, 2011, 07:40:14 PM
Sony is demanding that Google turns over the IP address of anyone who has replied to any of George Hotz's videos on YouTube (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/08/sony_playstation_legal_offensive/) - this is complete horse ****. I hope LG wins their lawsuit.
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 08, 2011, 07:44:40 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 08, 2011, 08:03:32 PM
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LG claims Sony is infringing four of its patents in a complaint that broadly relates to "certain electronic devices having a Blu-Ray Disc player and components thereof"
What the **** sort of retarded patent is that? Sony invented Blu-Ray! Isn't any Blu-Ray Disc player going to be an electronic device? Or is the patent on something that is a Blu-Ray player plus some other electronic device in one? You might as well have a patent on "automobiles that are blue in colour."
Who works in the US Patent Office? Due to some of the utterly ridiculous patents, particularly software patents, you figure that those running the place are a bunch of geezers confused by those new-fangled computer gadgets. We're talking about inventions so I think the people calling the shots have to be up-to-date and informed with technology and science. You wouldn't grab some random bozo off the street and assign him to the Supreme Court. Yet the Patent Office seems to be run that way.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2011, 08:13:48 PM
7701835 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=SHnOAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false)
7577080 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=QdbJAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false)
7619961 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=8mbVAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false)
7756398 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=5xXSAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 08, 2011, 08:53:41 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 08, 2011, 08:57:55 PM
Post by: Morari on February 08, 2011, 08:58:47 PM
Sony invented Blu-Ray!
Incorrect. Sony was on the panel that helped to develop the Blu-Ray standard.
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 08, 2011, 09:10:06 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 08, 2011, 10:14:05 PM
But wait...there's more!
Sony is demanding that Google turns over the IP address of anyone who has replied to any of George Hotz's videos on YouTube (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/08/sony_playstation_legal_offensive/)
It would be kinda funny if someone replied to the youtube videos saying "I hope you burn in hell you dirty pirate!" or something negative like that, but then Sony gets their IP and sues them along with everyone else.
it's just stupid to hope they lose a lawsuit when you don't even know whether they did anything wrong.
Well, we do know they did wrong (rootkits and such come to mind). But whether they did wrong in this particular instance is debatable and for the courts to decide. Its like with O.J. where he got away with the murders, but years later got busted for something else. Sure its not complete justice, but its better than nothing. Sometimes Karma can take awhile to kick in.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2011, 12:15:17 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2011, 01:28:29 AM
Looks like Sony has to sue themselves. Their fake Kevin Butler twitter posted the keys that they were once trying to keep secret. EPIC FAIL!
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2011, 10:43:26 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2011, 11:35:09 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 09, 2011, 12:49:20 PM
QuoteLG claims Sony is infringing four of its patents in a complaint that broadly relates to "certain electronic devices having a Blu-Ray Disc player and components thereof"
What the **** sort of retarded patent is that? Sony invented Blu-Ray! Isn't any Blu-Ray Disc player going to be an electronic device? Or is the patent on something that is a Blu-Ray player plus some other electronic device in one? You might as well have a patent on "automobiles that are blue in colour."
Who works in the US Patent Office? Due to some of the utterly ridiculous patents, particularly software patents, you figure that those running the place are a bunch of geezers confused by those new-fangled computer gadgets. We're talking about inventions so I think the people calling the shots have to be up-to-date and informed with technology and science. You wouldn't grab some random bozo off the street and assign him to the Supreme Court. Yet the Patent Office seems to be run that way.
The USPTO is overwhelmed with applications and pressured to just rubberstamp everything.
It's possible that LG has a patent on something that was used in creating BluRay, they might have a claim on all BluRay things. However these cases always get resolved with a licensing deal.
But wait...there's more!
Sony is demanding that Google turns over the IP address of anyone who has replied to any of George Hotz's videos on YouTube (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/08/sony_playstation_legal_offensive/) - this is complete horse ****. I hope LG wins their lawsuit.
I don't think Sony has that legal right, if they do that means the law is broken. Tracking down commenters like that would enable freedom of speech violations on a MASSIVE scale.
Post by: broodwars on February 09, 2011, 12:57:20 PM
I don't think Sony has that legal right, if they do that means the law is broken. Tracking down commenters like that would enable freedom of speech violations on a MASSIVE scale.
I don't really disagree with you (going after Youtube commentors is going too far), but if I'm not mistaken there's no such thing as "freedom of speech" on the internet, because it's not governed by any one nation's laws.
Post by: Morari on February 09, 2011, 01:05:50 PM
I don't think Sony has that legal right, if they do that means the law is broken. Tracking down commenters like that would enable freedom of speech violations on a MASSIVE scale.
I don't really disagree with you (going after Youtube commentors is going too far), but if I'm not mistaken there's no such thing as "freedom of speech" on the internet, because it's not governed by any one nation's laws.
Exactly why there is freedom of speech. Rights aren't given, they're taken. No governing body, no freakish control.
Besides, YouTube is owned by Google, which is an American company. I doubt they'd be willing to hand over any information without a court order. Likewise, it won't do much good for commenters that are in regions that don't really recognize or care about inane things like policing big businesses' little tinker ideas.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 09, 2011, 01:10:21 PM
I don't think Sony has that legal right, if they do that means the law is broken. Tracking down commenters like that would enable freedom of speech violations on a MASSIVE scale.
I don't really disagree with you (going after Youtube commentors is going too far), but if I'm not mistaken there's no such thing as "freedom of speech" on the internet, because it's not governed by any one nation's laws.
The internet has de facto freedom of speech.
Furthermore, if the internet is "not governed by any one nation's laws" then what would give Sony the legal power to go after commentators?
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2011, 01:20:03 PM
Besides, YouTube is owned by Google, which is an American company. I doubt they'd be willing to hand over any information without a court order. Likewise, it won't do much good for commenters that are in regions that don't really recognize or care about inane things like policing big businesses' little tinker ideas.
YouTube flouts the law. Remember that the owners of the site admitted to each other that they knew people were illegally uploading copyrighted videos to the site but weren't going to stop them because it was helping to grow the site.
As for the Internet, I think it has been established that sites are governed by where they are based (hence why most gambling sites are not hosted in the US because most states ban it).
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2011, 01:20:52 PM
For something so exteme to happen, Sony better damn well be completely guilty of what LG is accusing them of. PS3 owners don't deserve to be screwed over like that, even if Sony are jerks and have it coming to them in a general karma sort of way.
Think of the developers as well who would now have games in stores for a format that is no longer sold. What about those that dedicated time and money into PS3 games only for the PS3 to be banned before they can even bring their game to market? What LG is demanding would hurt a lot of innocent parties.
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2011, 01:23:27 PM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 09, 2011, 01:42:30 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2011, 03:22:11 PM
Post by: Morari on February 09, 2011, 04:19:53 PM
Besides, YouTube is owned by Google, which is an American company. I doubt they'd be willing to hand over any information without a court order. Likewise, it won't do much good for commenters that are in regions that don't really recognize or care about inane things like policing big businesses' little tinker ideas.
YouTube flouts the law. Remember that the owners of the site admitted to each other that they knew people were illegally uploading copyrighted videos to the site but weren't going to stop them because it was helping to grow the site.
Good.
Of course, a lot of that copyrighted material is uploaded directly by the film and music industries, as has been proven.
No one is seriously uploading entire films to the service... The media companies are just scared to death that there are a multitude of new distribution channels opening up every single day now. Of course, these are the people that'll sue twelve year olds for putting clips of rock songs in their freely distributed, anime fan compilation films. Never mind the ideas of fair use... or even free advertising.
Sony would just create a new revision of the PS3 hardware that would work around the patents. It wouldn't be a big deal (for consumers) if the slim model got pulled, because something else would take its place. Although, it might end up with certain features being stripped out depending on whatever the patents cover.
Sony would never willing strip away features from their products! They'll fight LG tooth and nail to maintain their professional pride and customer loyalty! After all, they're not the world's most innovative company for nothing. Long live Betamax... Long live UMD... Long live Blu-Ray!
Post by: broodwars on February 09, 2011, 04:27:48 PM
No one is seriously uploading entire films to the service...
Oh really? :confused;
Link 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxZLR0GRPcY&feature=player_embedded)
Link 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNa3WtxYa8o&feature=related)
Link 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE149cy39uU&feature=related)
And that's just what I could find with 3 quick searches of whatever came to mind.
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2011, 04:48:02 PM
Post by: Morari on February 09, 2011, 05:04:13 PM
It's not YouTube's job to protect Hollywood's property.
Personally though, I don't have much use for YouTube nowadays. Like anything else, it quickly became useless trash the moment it became popular amongst the mainstream. The entire internet is going down the shitter because more and more casual users are joining and more and more corporate control is being flexed.
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2011, 05:07:03 PM
It's not YouTube's job to protect Hollywood's property.
Actually, legally it IS. If a site knows that copyright-infringing content is on their site, they are legally required to remove it as soon as possible. Not only were they not doing it, they were proud it was happening. If they are not gonna do that, then they deserve all those lawsuits they got.
Post by: broodwars on February 09, 2011, 05:10:16 PM
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Personally though, I don't have much use for YouTube nowadays. Like anything else, it quickly became useless trash the moment it became popular amongst the mainstream. The entire internet is going down the shitter because more and more casual users are joining and more and more corporate control is being flexed.
So if we're going to continue that line of thought, is the Wii then "useless trash" since it has "become popular amongst the mainstream"? Is the "entire [industry] going down the shitter because more and more casual users are joining"? Dude, I can't even begin to understand you. You're a walking pile of contradictions.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2011, 05:18:58 PM
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Existing PS3 owners would not be screwed, just Sony would have to make some changes to consoles that they want to sell. LG does not want the system banned - they want the sale of the system (the way that it is constructed now) banned. No one's going to come and take your PS3 away.
Obviously no one would take my PS3 away. But if PS3s were no longer being sold then no one is going to make new games for it. It would end the PS3's life as a currently supported system. I figure LG would rather get a cut then outright ban sales but in the worst-case-scenario everyone's PS3 becomes an unsupported retro system.
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Personally though, I don't have much use for YouTube nowadays. Like anything else, it quickly became useless trash the moment it became popular amongst the mainstream. The entire internet is going down the shitter because more and more casual users are joining and more and more corporate control is being flexed.
It's just like Nintendo! HA! ;D The sad truth is I find YouTube most useful for stuff like music videos, videogame playthroughs, pro wrestling matches, and sports highlights. All of those can be considered copyright infringement (though they do have official music videos). In theory the benefit of YouTube is that it is an outlet for artists. It's like a free TV channel that anyone can make a show for. The problem is that is not usually used in a meaningful way and you just get stupid videos people make of themselves wiping out on a skateboard. I remember as a kid people showing their home movies was death. 99% of the time it was boring and self-indulgent. My grandpa had a video camera back in the 80's and any video he shot was just him and other old people talking in Portuguese and doing something mundane. Like he would tape dinner or them in the garden. No pacing, no highlights, just "here's what happened in the span of 30 minutes when I was filming!" That's YouTube. For every one video that's legitimately funny or entertaining or well made there are 99 examples of worthless bullshit.
Post by: Morari on February 09, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
It's not YouTube's job to protect Hollywood's property.
Actually, legally it IS. If a site knows that copyright-infringing content is on their site, they are legally required to remove it as soon as possible. Not only were they not doing it, they were proud it was happening. If they are not gonna do that, then they deserve all those lawsuits they got.
They only know that the content exists once they are alerted to it. With all of the take downs and removed audio tracks that plague the site, I'd say they follow up well enough. Never mind the bogus legality of DMCA take downs in general. Guilty until proven innocent, right?
QuotePersonally though, I don't have much use for YouTube nowadays. Like anything else, it quickly became useless trash the moment it became popular amongst the mainstream. The entire internet is going down the shitter because more and more casual users are joining and more and more corporate control is being flexed.
So if we're going to continue that line of thought, is the Wii then "useless trash" since it has "become popular amongst the mainstream". Is the "entire [industry] going down the shitter because more and more casual users are joining"? Dude, I can't even begin to understand you. You're a walking pile of contradictions.
The video game industry has gotten substantially less entertaining as it's gotten popular. I can still load up a handful of ten year old games and have more fun right now than I could with anything current.
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2011, 05:22:42 PM
Post by: Morari on February 09, 2011, 05:26:00 PM
Why don't you go be a corporate shill somewhere else? I'm sure Sony could spare an extra teet for you to suckle on.
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2011, 05:36:52 PM
I am not a shill, you just advocate for anarchy and people doing whatever the hell they want. If somebody wants to break into your house, you can't get upset because they are no different than the people you defend. You make BS claims, defend criminals, and get upset and companies for protecting their copyrighted content. You just don't like living in society. Just go away and join those cyber-terrorists that support Assange.
Post by: vudu on February 09, 2011, 05:53:02 PM
Post by: oohhboy on February 09, 2011, 06:40:58 PM
While Morari is certainly anti-authoritarian, he is no anarchist. On the other hand, TJ has an authoritarian hard on so large and hard, he would club himself to death with it if he was to lay down on his back. I question at times whether TJ has any sense of justice or morality if it wasn't written into Law.
The funny thing is both Anti-Authoritarianism and Authoritarianism both lead to the same thing, dissolution of society, abet via different means if taken to their logical conclusions. They both result in temporary Anarchy.
Post by: Morari on February 09, 2011, 07:26:59 PM
If somebody wants to break into your house, you can't get upset because they are no different than the people you defend.
If someone breaks into my house, they are damaging PHYSICAL property. They are assumingly going to steal PHYSICAL property while there. That's a big difference. If you honestly... HONESTLY... can't tell the difference between physical goods and virtual goods, you need to go back to Economics 101.
You just don't like living in society. Just go away and join those cyber-terrorists that support Assange.
It all makes sens now... you're one of those people. Not only will you blindly support corporate greed and it's damaging effects on private citizens, but you'll also defend government corruption to the death. Typical American... Blind and stupid to the world. Only willing to believe whatever safe lies they're told via the television that they park their fat ass in front of far too often.
The world doesn't need people like you. It needs people that are willing to think. People that are brave enough to at least question authority. You're too scared to even consider the notion. That's why you lash out the way you do when anyone mentions how out of control these corporations and the laws they make up are.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2011, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2011, 07:44:34 PM
If somebody wants to break into your house, you can't get upset because they are no different than the people you defend.
If someone breaks into my house, they are damaging PHYSICAL property. They are assumingly going to steal PHYSICAL property while there. That's a big difference. If you honestly... HONESTLY... can't tell the difference between physical goods and virtual goods, you need to go back to Economics 101.You just don't like living in society. Just go away and join those cyber-terrorists that support Assange.
It all makes sens now... you're one of those people. Not only will you blindly support corporate greed and it's damaging effects on private citizens, but you'll also defend government corruption to the death. Typical American... Blind and stupid to the world. Only willing to believe whatever safe lies they're told via the television that they park their fat ass in front of far too often.
The world doesn't need people like you. It needs people that are willing to think. People that are brave enough to at least question authority. You're too scared to even consider the notion. That's why you lash out the way you do when anyone mentions how out of control these corporations and the laws they make up are.
Really? You have decided to start acting like a douche? I will not stoop to you level. Let's see, you: attacked my nationality, made threats against me, lied about me, and making up crap. Why don't you leave the board already?
Brandogg, how is someone who took stolen info and posted it, who raped a woman, and whose supporters have committed cyber-terrorism your hero? It's obvious that you have done plenty of embarrassing stuff (and based on how you act, plenty of illegal stuff too), would you want your private stuff posted? Would you be so understanding if I hacked your e-mail accounts, for example, and posted everything for the world to see?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 09, 2011, 07:57:27 PM
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