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Title: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 09, 2006, 07:08:31 PM
Can I make a "official" thread? Well here it is anyway. Just remember these are just rumors and are to be taken with grain of salt. Posted here purely for discussion and not posted as facts of any kind.

07/09/2006

First up:
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En Voz Baja XIII: "Wiispering" (English Version) translated from Revogamers.net
Those editions where we repeated once and again that this section is a compilation of rumors, and remembered the meaning of that word, are now gone. Besides, it is known that some of our gossips have become fulfilled later (yes, like our accurate certainty about Namco's Horse Racer Game). However, some others were simple office rumors.

Therefore, we invite you all to this new amount of "gossips" from the gaming industry, which comes as varied as interesting.

GAMES:

Just before last E3, one of our contacts talked about the possibility to see Panzer Dragoon in our Wiis next year, could it be one of Sega's unannounced tittles?

This time we bring you a rumor which we hope will never become truth. It seems that Hideo Kojima's Project has been temporarily cancelled, and probably ported to PS3. Control innovations would still remain in that platform. According to our sources, it would perfectly adapt to the PS3 controller and its new functions, that's why Sony is trying to pay for the exclusivity. So right now, this project is in the air.

Aside from the new Pokémon that has been announced (Pokémon Stadium style), it seems that the development of a brand new title has begun, codename: Pokémon RPG. Nothing else is known about this, although with that name…

And now we go with Resident Evil (although the information received seems a little bit weird). It seems that Capcom is really committed with the Wii version: the game will use an improved version of RE4's engine, greatly pushing the graphical quality.
The control scheme will be the same used in RE4, but using the capacities of the wiimote. What lead us to confusion is the following… it's said that they already have Chris Redfield finished model and part of Raccon City stage after being destroyed… ??. In addition it seems that Capcom could be developing another brand new Survival Horror IP, only for Wii.

Entering NDS topic, we rescue a past rumor from the tenth edition, where we mentioned a possible second part for Super Mario 64 DS (a sequel, but with another name). But this time we add another incoming Mario title: New Super Mario Bros sequel, also for DS.

A new project from Nintendo could be in development but in this you'll need a Nintendo DS in order to play, since Wii will send data to the DS like some sort of PDA of the main character of the game. In the DS it will be possible to solve puzzles or receive information, which later will interact with the game at the television. Possibly it is a first person adventure, stressing again the more adult nature of the new Nintendo IPs.

Now we jump to Super Smash Bros Brawl. Almost by fact, Sonic will be within the cast of characters, and of course will have exclusive actions and objects, for example, become Supersonic, or an emerald to use against his opponents.

The new Miyamoto's concept with Mario Galaxy can be deeper as first thought. At E3, they showed only one planetary system with several destinations to explore in form of small planets, but the latest rumors would aim at a complex set of several systems that we have to find out. And in them we will find some really big planets, for instance, one that is supposedly very similar to the Earth in features and size.

Let's speak about a fantasy one: Eragon, a game based on the film scheduled for Christmas - based as well on books by Christopher Paolini, (confirmed at this moment for all platforms except Wii and PS3). Vivendi would want to bring it, but it seems that Nintendo is not convinced yet. Same problem face both companies with Scarface, but in this case the Great N seems much more negative about the style of the game (perhaps if both titles took more advantage of Wii's gaming freedom…).

The Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Princess, which tries to become the game of the year (and of the History), also wants to bring more rumors than anyone. At this moment loads of side-quests would be being added. Even it has been said that we will be able to hunt insects with a virtual net (you already know how). It seems that our friend Tingle will return to give the funny (?) side of this chapter. But as we already know, the drama and maturity will reign in the argument. So it is that Link could suffer extremely while the twilight princess gains an importance we've never seen before. According to what we've been told, several endings are being handed, and one of them will be chosen very soon. In addition, the staff behind the game will have to do their best if they want the game to arrive in time (We hope!).

Long time ago we said that Nintendo wanted to take up the Star Fox saga again in Wii with the quality that it deserves. Rumors have it that some old Rare workers would have joined to the project.

Without a doubt, Shigeru Miyamoto's new IP has been the most mysterious project of Mario's company for years. Let's take two possible rumored notes: codename "Pulse", slight commentary "a game that changes in a daily basis".

Square is worried with the amount of available Lites at Final Fantasy III release date. Without a doubt this is one of the hits of the year, and if it gets the awaited success, the FFVII remake thing could become a fact for the dual screened. It would be the first time to try to seriously bring the 3D main series to the portable market, in its full power. Even it has been said that for FFIII, Square started playing around with N64's primitive FFVII engine.

This one seems obvious: they told us that Superman will be more multiplatform than ever, and also will try to take advantage of the movies-mania in Wii.


MISC:

The peripheral party for Wii begins. If everything is fulfilled, we'll have headphones, cameras, hard disks… even a specifically designed wireless keyboard, with that common Apple style, and a blue-lighted button specially set to WiiConnect24, which warns about new contents. Besides, WiiConnect24 could also be used to maintain some kind of emission in the TV when the console is in StandBy mode. When you change to the Wii channel, it is not a black screen. On the other hand, the company's microphone-mania could lead to its inclusion in the final controller (although it seems very complicated to us). Who knows if it will be for the launching, or the supposed WiiTalk service, hypothetically scheduled for 2007. They still have to decide.

Now let's return to speak about the Virtual Console. Some rumors say that they are already testing with SegaSaturn games, but the process to execute them in Wii is very difficult, reason why a possible compatibility with a few selected titles is being thought, and not the whole catalogue. Another old rumor that sounds even stronger this time is SNK with Neo-geo games. In addition it seems that Nintendo is in conversations with MAME parents to make it compatible with Wii so some arcade ROMS could be downloaded legally… a big success would be, without a doubt.

About the launch date. Many (MANY) dates are considered today (so this could be wrong). We make our bet and say what has arrived to our ears (be careful, RUMORS). Probably October , 16th - 21st in Japan and before the end/early Nov in Europe/USA, always considering that the console would be in the street at least two weeks before PS3. Wii colors for Europe: black and white.

Nintendo would like to offer a software system to create compatible games for the Virtual Console, with packages of editable maps, characters, actions…. No more information has arrived about.

It may seem as a small curiosity, but we should notify the supposed effort that they will make to redesign NoE's main site. It's planned before the Wii's launch, willing to reach the level of the American and Japanese versions.

In summary:
The Good news
-An Actual Pokemon RPG may be in the works
-Resident Evil Wii is coming along nicely, and new Survivor horror IP may be in the wooks too
-Sequel to New Super Mario Bros. in the works
-Sequel to Super Mario 64 DS in the works
-A WiiDS connectivity game is in the works
-Sonic is in Super Smash Bros. Brawl
-Lots of side-quest still being added to Zelda: Twilight Princess
-Tingle is also in Zelda: Twilight Princess (good news?)
-Square/Enix is in the prepared to do a FFVII for DS if FFIII is the success they are expecting
-Many peripherals are in the works and a Mic may even be added to the Wiimote
-Sega Saturn, Neo Geo & Arcade roms may be coming to the Virtual Console

The Bad news:
-Kojima's exclusive new Wii game might get moved to PS3 instead
-Tingle is also in Zelda: Twilight Princess (bad news?)

Is this all just a load of crap? Did we know some of this stuff already? Have you heard something different? Do you like what you hear? Which ones do you think just sound like crap, which one do you really hope to come true?
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Updated 7/14/2006

NEW Rumors straight from the EGM rumor mill *more salt needed*

If DQ Wii and DQ DS sell well then Dragon Quest IX will be exclusive for Wii
& SquareEnix is working on a MMORPG in the Mana Universe


and one for the DS because I don't want to start another thread
Mother(Earthbound) Compilation for DS complete with Touchscreen capabilities.

If either of the first two have any truth to them, such as DQ is also coming to Wii or a NEW Mana game is coming to Wii, it is definately very very good news, especially if exclusive and/or MMO

as for the DS rumor, I would guess that this is great news as I've never played the game and I have no idea how much Japan or the U.S loves Mother/Eathbound.
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Updated 07/25/2006

source: 2amUpdate.com
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Originally posted on Nintendo.com forums
-First off let me say that the full scope of the Wii controller details has yet to be revealed by PixArt and Nintendo. Although I cannot elaborate any further let me say that the Nintendo should show that the movement in 3D space will allow experiences outside of just the TV screen. And its not 3D projection related.

-The official launch date has yet to be set in stone but will indeed launch before Sony’s PS3.

-Ironically enough, the first game that will be shown to the public that demonstrates the full scope of Wii controller potential will be Dragonball Z Budokai 4.

-When Nintendo first showed the controller at Tokyo Game Show late 2005 they were very hesitant to show it full usage. I will allow one more clue to my finding that the Wii controller can function exactly as we all have seen demonstrated WITHOUT the sensor bar. So ask yourselves, why need a sensor bar?

-The sensor bar was in all actuality in no use at E3 2006. What is will allow hasn’t been shown yet.

-According to people who are working close to everyday events at Nintendo R&D, Nintendo Wii specifications were far and away developed solely for that machine.

-IBM and ATI have been working on Broadway and Hollywood for quite some time now. And according to many people Wii’s specs could go up or down at this point in the CPU/VPU departments. Apparently Nintendo has spent quite a lot of money having IBM and ATI fabricate many iterations of Broadway and Hollywood. Which range from a 3.4GHz-730MHz Broadway CPUs, and 1.2GHz-553MHz custom ATI/Nintendo Hollywood VPU. From what we hear Hollywood is key to the Wii’s power. The architecture is all about eliminating bottlenecks and maximizing performance, upgrade of the CPU with the slight downgrade of the graphics processor compliments this philosophy, striking a great balance for Wii. However, it was also indicated that since Hollywood is a truly extreme “Flipper II” and Broadway is a massively upgraded “Gekko II” at least in architecture. That early on Nintendo R&D took a good look at what GameCube did good and what it could have done better. It was mentioned that GameCube’s Flipper was an extremely powerful chip far more capable than even the Xbox’s. The Gekko design meant for balance, though was not able to support but about 50% of the ArtX’s Flipper’s power. This particular bottleneck has been ironed out allowing Broadway to fully complement Hollywood to its maximum potential and vise-versa. The initial estimates we got concerning final hardware spec was Broadway at around 1.5GHz and Hollywood at 555MHz.

-There is also word that Nintendo in private sessions has big plans for the Wii headset. Talk is, that Nintendo wants to lean away from having the headset only for online capability. They are wanting to go further. Having the headset of course include a microphone for use in games is a given. But there was also talk of a late to launch release of this “gyroscopic headset” that would be supported by the sensor bar as well. To sum up the theory we were privy to. The headset would be somewhat sensitive to movement that could be translated into the game. Such as if you get up and move to the right of your television something might correspond for that in the game. Such as dodging things, looking around corners etc. It was also mentioned that it might have a unique look and non-obstructive lightweight design.

-Our latest discovery concerning Wii software is that developer Nibris (Raid Over the River, Sadness) has received Wii development kits and has partnered with publisher Majesco.
Quick Summary
-Wii controller still has a secret(movement in 3-d space not presented on TV) DBZ: Budokai 4 1syt to take full advantage
-True use for the sensor bar has yet to be revealed
-Wii could be more powerful than we have been led to believe(Broadway 1.5ghz & Hollywood 555mhz)
-Gyroscope headset to be released post launch(used for more than online chat<obviously>)
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Updated 7/31/2006

Official Nintendo docs leaked to reveal Wii specs?

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The Wii Hardware

- Nintendo Wii’s ‘Broadway’ CPU operates at 729MHZ with a maximum bandwith of 1.9gbyte/sec.
- Nintendo Wii’s ‘HollyWood’ GPU is clocked at 243MHZ, the internal memory of it includes 3mb of embedded graphics memory and 24megabytes of high speed main memory.
- 64megabytes of GDDR3 (MEM2) as the external main memory. Just like the internal memory, it can be accessed from the CPU and GPU with a maximum bandwidth of 4gbytes/sec and can also store programs in the MEM2.
- The GPU of the Wii is identical to the GC’s but it is on average 1.5X faster.

Wii's Optical Disc Drive

- Opitcal Disc Drive (ODD) supports single and dual layer Wii disks, discs eject with software or button and the maximum read speed is the equivalent of DVDx6.
- Two main disc types supported the single sided 12cm single sided 4.7gb and the double sided 8.51 GB. Nintendo GC discs also supported. Some of the capacity of the discs are used by the system and games can not use full disc space.
- Inserting a disc will start the Wii console, even if it was already in an off state. Pressing the eject button will change the console to an on state to take out the disc also.

General Overview

- An optional wired LAN adapter that connects to a USB port is in the pipeline for users who do not possess a wireless LAN set-up currently.
- Internal non-removable 512MB flash memory used to storage game save data and downloadable content thus eliminating the need for a memory card.
- Both Wii discs and Gamecube discs can be played via an intelligent mode swap. When running in GC mode, the Wii’s CPU and GPU will lower to the respective speeds of the GC and some of the MEM2 functions as ARAM.
- Software development environment is an upgrade to the ‘Dolphin SDK’ used with the GC; the same libraries are used so developers can get up to scratch easily as well as the possibility of ports being easier.
- The following interfaces are included with the Wii; SD card slot, Wireless controller, two USB 2.0 ports, wireless LAN, 4x GC controller ports, 2x GC memory card slots and an AV multi output jack (only an analog jack).
- Supports Wii disks (one sided 12cm) and GC discs (one sided 8cm) and console auto switches depends on what disk is inserted
- More than just the Nunchaku is planned as an extension. GC peripherals such as DK bongos can be used in both Wii and GC modes.
- Three power status, on, off and unplugged. To prevent mistaken turn offs, the power button must be held for about a second.

The Wii Control System

- The Wii controller features; Direct Pointing Device, Three axis accelerometer, Wii power button (remotely turn console on/off), buttons, wireless connectivity, indicator LED’s, rumble, battery powered (two AA alkaline batteries) and ability to connect extension unit.
- The Wii controller supports three types of operations; by itself, with a nunchuk extension or with a classic controller. Classic controllers will ship to developers during August 2006.
- The SYNCHRO button on the Wii controller exchanges wireless ID numbers when pressed at the same time as SYNCRHO on the Wii console. Wireless communications are only possible with consoles which have been authenticated.
- The rumble motor can be turned on and off and the intensity can be changed.
- The Wii remote has a pointer for fine movements as well as a motion Sensor +/- 3.4G suitable for larger body movements, the nunchuk attachment has a Sensor of +/- 2G
- The sensor bar must be placed above or below a TV set, the pointer measures coordinates between the ends of the bar which are about 20cm apart.
- The Wii remote has four status, disconnected, communicating, establishing connection and pairing wait status.
- The pointer can measure co-ordinates within bounds of rectangle centered upon the sensor bar, thus it can also measure points beyond the screen. It also responds to strong light sources, windows, fluorescent lamps, fireplaces, mirrors etc.
- Due to players hands shaking while holding the controller, a ring buffer allows a precise direction to be created to hold and average accelerator samples.

*UPDATE* The dev mailed us and said he was shocked to see all these cries of 'fake', so he provided some more info to show he's not bluffing...

Broadway CPU

Broadway is Wii's CPU. Broadway functionality and specifications are as follows.

• Operating speed: 729 MHz
• Bus to main memory: 243 MHz, 64 bits (maximum bandwidth: 1.9 gigabytes/sec)
• 32-kilobyte 8-way set-associative L1 instruction cache
• 32-kilobyte 8-way set-associative L1 data cache (can set up 16-kilobyte data scratch pad)
• Superscalar microprocessor with six execution units (floating-point unit, branching unit, system regis
ter unit, load/store unit, two integer units)
• DMA unit (15-entry DMA request queue) used by 16-kilobyte data scratch pad
• Write-gather buffer for writing graphics command lists to the graphics chip
• Onboard 256-kilobyte 2-way set-associative L2 integrated cache
• Two, 32-bit integer units (IU)
• One floating point unit (FPU) (supports single precision (32-bit) and double precision (64-bit))
• The FPU supports paired single floating point (FP/PS)
• The FPU supports paired single multiply add (ps_madd). Most FP/PS instructions can be issued in
each cycle and completed in three cycles.
• Fixed-point to floating-point conversion can be performed at the same time as FPU register load and
store, with no loss in performance.
• The branch unit supports static branch prediction and dynamic branch prediction.
• When an instruction is stalled on data, the next instruction can be issued and executed. All instructions
maintain program logic and will complete in the correct program order.
• Supports three L2 cache fetch modes: 32-Byte, 64-Byte, and 128-Byte.
• Supports these bus pipeline depth levels: level 2, level 3, and level 4.
Reference Information: Broadway is upward compatible with Nintendo GameCube’s CPU (Gekko).

Hollywood GPU

Hollywood is a system LSI composed of a GPU and internal main memory (MEM1). Hollywood is clocked at 243 MHz. Its internal memory consists of 3 megabytes of embedded graphics memory and 24 megabytes of high speed main memory.

Hollywood includes the following.
• Graphics processing unit (with 3 megabytes of eDRAM)
• Audio DSP
• I/O Bridge
• 24 megabytes of internal main memory
• Internal main memory operates at 486 MHz.
Maximum bandwidth between Hollywood and internal main memory: 3.9 gigabytes per second
• Possible to locate a program here
Reference Information: Hollywood is similar to Nintendo GameCube’s Flipper and Splash components.

External Main Memory (MEM2)

Wii uses 64 megabytes of GDDR3 (MEM2) as external main memory. Like internal main memory, MEM2 can be accessed directly from Broadway and the GPU at high speed and has a peak bandwidth of 4 gigabytes/sec. Programs can also be placed in MEM2.

Reference Information: Nintendo GameCube ARAM is used as auxiliary memory for the DSP. The CPU and GPU did not have direct access to it.

Source - MaxConsole.com

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Updated 8/04/2006

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Apparently, the latest issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly features the following rumors: One, that a Luigi's Mansion game is already in development for Wii, and two, that some Virtual Console games may be bundled with new games.
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Originally posted by: IGN.com

August 4, 2006 - Sources close to Nintendo of Europe tell IGN that the company is underway with a sequel to the hit GameCube sports title Super Mario Strikers. Furthermore, insiders allege that the title could be unveiled later this month at the Games Convention 2006 in Leipzig, Germany.

Since its release in the states last December, Super Mario Strikers has sold more than 500,000 copies, effectively making it a sleeper hit and likewise a prime candidate for a Wii sequel.

No details about the Wii version are yet available, but as with most Wii titles, it is very likely to take advantage of Nintendo's unique new controller in some fashion.

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Updated 08/08/2006

revised story:
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Originally posted by: IGN & AMN

number of big-name publishers are set to release their Wii games in mid-to-late October, which suggests that a system debut could not be that far off. And several insiders have told IGN that November 2 could, in fact, be the big day.

Thing is, not all of our contacts are in agreement on the date. Some have suggested that November 12 could, instead, by Wii's launch date. Regardless, though, it seems that Wii fans can look forward to their console sooner rather than later.

Sources suggest that Wii will launch with a $229 price tag and will be available in both black and white.

Nintendo has allegedly bumped production of Wii hardware to more than five million units by the end of the year, a significant upgrade to previous numbers. The jump is purportedly based on the positive reaction to Wii from press and industry analysts at E3 2006.

The console is unlikely to be region-free, although the lock is unrelated to hardware; a firmware update could theoretically allow gamers to play import software.

original story:

tid bits missing from revised version:
- Broadway CPU is of the 750 CL line which is a continuation of the 750 GX series
- IBM could be working on a downscaled Broadway that could be used in a future handheld, one that plays GC disc
- Nintendo has bumped production of Wii up to 5.5 million units by years end, which is a major jump up from 6 million by march


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Updated 08/11/2006

IGN Wii-k N review...  <--*Warning* extremely boring podcast.

- Possible delay for Metroid Prime 3
- Star Wars Wii a go
- Dragon Quest Swords probably not going to make launch, probably more info at TGS
- THQ Wii exclusive event next Tuesday

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Updated 8/13/2006
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Originally posted by: Aussiedude
Nintendo to install "count down clocks" in Virgin UK stores today?




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Updated 8/14/2006

An IGN Forums user, one who called the wiimote speaker months b4 EGM or E3....
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Originally posted on IGN forums in February
Date Posted: 2/8 1:48pm Subject: Developer Comments - Date Edited: 5/8 2:18pm (2 edits total) Edited By: namlas

"The controller will contain a small amount of memory, which can be written to by the console (via Bluetooth) during the game. This will usually be used to store small sound files which can be heard via the controller's small internal speaker.

In demonstrations this system could be used, for example, to simulated the sound of gun shots coming from the controller when fired; when you put this together with the force feedback, it creates a game experience which surpasses anything we have been able to create before.

In other experiments we created a simple "Chinese whisper" style communication game which one player could whisper into the controller (we were even able to be in another room when doing this) and then the sound would be sent via the console to another player's controller which they could then hear. Great fun!"
....Has now let another little rumor out into the wild. This time its about wireless headsets, accessories that are transferrable between Wii and the DS, and Speech to text technology that is to be used in conjuction with Nintendo WFC.
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Originally posted on IGN forums
"...voice communication will be via wireless, head-mounted microphones..."

"Some peripherals for the DS will be compatible with Wii and vice-versa."

"Many Nintendo first party games (specifically games designed for a younger audience) will feature a new system currently being developed by Nintendo called ‘voice to text communication’.

The system works using an advanced voice recognition system which Nintendo has been developing for several years. When a user speaks the sound is converted into on screen text and sent to the other players. However, rather than just plain text being sent the system also picks up the tone, pitch and volume of the voice and translates that into colour, font size and character set. For example, if a player shouts ‘I win’ loudly into the microphone the on screen text may be all capitalized, and in a large red font; conversely if a player speaks quietly the font may be a pastel shade and smaller.

This system also allows online voice communication to be easily censored by the user.”


Sounds good and plausible and this guy supposedly has a good track record, since he did call the wiimote speaker, and there patents for the Nintendo Speech to Text  technology.

Patent 1

Patent 2

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Updated 8/15/2006

Post taken from another forum, but all quotes and info taken from www.nintendo-inside.jp

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According to Nintendo Inside we may be getting a cheaper Wii!?!?
It seems Nintendo's stock has hit a new high on The Nikkei due to a cheaper procurement of CPU's due to a larger order?

Nikkei seem to think Wii will go on the market for 19800 Yen and not 25000Yen!!!
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The sales price of Wii assumes 19800 yen.
19:05 Tuesday, August 15, 2006


It seems to expect to be procured at a low price, and the change of the package for CPU of Wii to be a sales assumption price of Wii to 19,800 yen from a past 25,000 yen in the report of Nikko Citigroup according to NIKKEI NET.

Because it is not a free rumor article, you seem may expect this. Do it become a considerable remark that decides an argument in the person who is hesitating whether to still buy Wii?

(Tarecomi Thanks you)]

Link to price topic

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New Nintendo < Osaka Securities Exchange > hits a new high. (2006/08/15 15:35)

(code 7974 at 15:5) Stretch in succession on the fourth. The year's new high 22,310 yen on July 25 is updated to the first session, and gains have been expanded to the post-place. One o'clock is bought up to 22,810 yen of 590 yen up compared with the day before. It is continuously had a good feeling to have raised the target stock prices from a past 21,700 yen to 25,200 yen though the Nikko Citigroup bond left the investment judgment untouched by "1H" on the tenth. In this report?It becomes cheap the package for CPU (central operation processor) ..procurement.. ..the expectation.., and it changes from 25,000 yen to assume the sales price of the next generation family-use game machines 'Wii (We)' to 19,800 yen. The number of the domestic sale is expected ..expectation.. ..strong.. to increase by 50 percent so far, too. ?It makes it.

There was a point with "A recent exchange market price's tending to depreciation of the yen in the dollar and Euro becomes a purchaser hanging" (major bond) in the market, too.


..(.. stock prices of Nintendo/company overview/homepage)


Also Bloomberg are reporting Nintendo are up to there nexts in the development of brain training and Diet training type games for Wii, and expect them to hit by Xmas?

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According to Bloomberg's report, Nintendo seems to be developing software related to dieting for Wii.

"Software related to dieting etc. for 'Training that strengthens the brain' and next generation machine 'Wii' keeps being developed, being progressed from the desire that it wants to make even the person who cannot master the game controller can readily enjoy playing a game, and new range of customers being developed. "

being saidI think that the exercise is good as the possibility of the remote control of Wii. Brain..tray..intellectual training..genre..invent..game..education..useful..think..bring..following.. this time..healthy..use..mere..game machine..family..all..locate..do.

Analyst Hideki Yasuda of the ace bond is "Tendency to which the light user buys the game that it will not be caught in a past frame such as 'Training that strengthens the brain' soon by Kon, and the market extends though a terrible game and a wonderful game were popular up to now" and analyzes it. This year's Christmas sales battle was expected that how the light user was acquired would become a point. It is described, "The domination of Nintendo because it plans to put a light game and a casual game new for wii on the market".

Link to Diet games page
All on www.nintendo-inside.jp


So in summary:
- Larger order of chips = lower price for Nintendo
- Wii could launch @ $199 US
- Nintendo developing Brain & Diet Training games for Wii (million sellers in Euro & US?)
- BT & DT aimed for pre Christmas release

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Updated 08/27/2006

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Originally posted by: GoNintendo.com

According to him, or his source I should say, Nintendo has been playing us the fool all along. They have been showing us trailers for games that have deliberately downgraded graphics compared to what the Wii can actually do. This is to create an element of surprise for the press during Nintendo’s next media event. I am guessing that would end up being the September 14th press event. During this show they will show off Wii graphics that are “of a quality far exceeding the Xbox”, shocking us all.


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Originally posted by GoNintendo.com
*RUMOR* From the desk of the Regginator

I don’t know what is going on this weekend, but since Friday night I have been getting emailed the strangest stories! As you can see, I haven’t been posting any of them, until I came across the graphical discussion which I posted below. I have another one for you guys that is so outlandish that it needs to go up. Good for a weekend chuckle I think. I apologize to the person who emailed this to me, but I just don’t believe that this story is true. I am more willing to believe our earlier graphics rumor, which I also take with less than a quater of a grain of salt. Regardless of all that, if it is fake, someone took the time to write all this stuff up…so why not give it a home!

Okay, now that I got all that out of the way…the pictures below are “supposed” to be documents written by none other then Reggie Fils-Aime. How did our lucky emailer come to find these goodies? Read his story below.

I noticed Mr. Fils-Aime putting something in the confidential waste bin, and walked over after he had left for a meeting.. the bin was full to the top as usual, and these screwed up pages were just in reach through the lid (without taking it off and spilling papers everywhere). There’s not much I can do to prove my credibility, however I think they may be of interest to you..

Talk about being in the right place at the right time! Our reader says that he scanned the images and sent them my way. I have taken screenshots of the .pdf files, which you can check out below.


click on the link above to read the speech that Reggie supposedly wrote.

in summary:
Sept. 14th Nintendo will reveal the last secret of the Wii
The last secret is a Head Mounted Display
Disaster: Day of Crisis is the first game to use this HMD
Disaster is to release in January 2007

Updated 10/28/2006
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- CNN has signed up with Nintendo as the provider of news content on tne News Channel in American and Japan. News will be presented by category, but another way of getting to it is by spinning the weather globe to find stories in different countries

- Sega has moved a significant number of development staff from PS3 to Wii over the Summer

- Although Nintendo has removed DVD movie playback from the Wii, it plans to launch in Japan next year an enhanced Wii capable of such a feature

- Nintendo intended to bring Wii to shop shelves in the UK and US for £150 and $200, but became influenced by pressure from the larger retail chains, which raised concerns over margins and low so-called 'basket value' (ie, the amount of revenue generated from a customer's overall purchases at the till)

- There are plenty of Wii Channel slots remaining to be filled

- Edge says that Wii Sports will be to Wii what Mario 64 was to the N64. Says golf has the best single player mode (no surprise) and boxing is their favourite overall


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Updated 12/05/2006

Are we allowed to quote GoNintendo.com?

well anyway, here goes...

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“Something big is coming to the Virtual Console, something that, for the past decade, certain corners of the retro community have been crying out for. I wish I could say more, but the uncertainties of publishing schedules prevents me from spilling the beans too early. Nevertheless, if what we’ve heard turns out to be true, the virtual console is about to become a lot more interesting and looks like it might turn out to be much more valuable to dedicated retro gamers than we first thought.”


Updated 01/03/2007

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Ok, so GoNintendo has posted two new rumors.

1)Dragon Quest Swords will be a new pack in game for the Wii sometime this year.
2)Nintendo is about to make a huge announcement some time this month.  Possibly as soon as this week.


Updated 01/06/2007
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http://ruliweb.empas.com/ruliboard/r...&left=b&time=0

- From Software is developing a Kingsfieldesque 1st person action RPG on Wii

- Fire Emblem Wii has two parts... The first part is the original Fire Emblem Path of Radiance..

- Nights Wii

- Square Enix and Disney agreed to put the next Kingdom Hearts on Nintendo Consoles

- Swords of Legendia will be the first game of the Swords of series.. a Spinoff series of the Tales of series..


01/09/2006
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so, this is all just a rumor and maybe a page trying to get some hits.. or whatever

according to gamefront the page wunderlampe.de was told that Square Enix will sell two of its franchises. wunderlampe did neither say which franchises will be sold nor who the buyers are.

now some speculation from gamefront. they say that it could be the Mana and Kingdom Hearts franchise, which will go to Disney, because they started their own developement studio named Fall Line in November 06. Now for the wildest thing (imo) in this speculation: Fall Line was created to produce for Wii, DS and GBA.

so, take it with a grain (or even truckload) of salt

sources: http://www.gamefront.de and http://www.wunderlampe.de/multiplatt...le-reihen.html[/q


Updated 01/24/2007

Nintendo to release a Wiimote ver. 2.0?
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According to some obscure rumor column from Japan-based Game Lab, a newly enhanced Wiimote is in the works. The rumor, via Game Front*, suggest Wiimote 2.0 will included "better grip" and rechargeable batteries out of the box, and that the revised controller will hit Japan sometime this summer.

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translated:
Did Wii remote maintenance revise planned? 23.01.07 - Nintendo is to work allegedly on a better Wii remote maintenance, which is delivered at the latest in the summer in Japan. The Japanese Game Labo in its rumor column maintains. The revised remote maintenance is to be more easily, possess a better pavement grip and rechargeable its - Nintendo did not confirm the assumptions of the Game Labo.


Updated 01/29/2007

New Colors for Wii Q4 2007?
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In a rather shocking revelation this weekend, an anonymous Nintendo rep revealed to GameDrift that a plan is running through the pipeline to colorize the, as of now, rather bland coloration of its hit console, Wii. The rep did not reveal detailed specifics, however did remark that a red and black console have been confirmed.


Updated 01/31/2007

Wired blog - Game|Life says that is has been hearing rumors of "a bunch of" games being announced by Konami for the Wii.
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Originally posted by: Chris Kohler

Should we prepare for the Konami flood on Wii? The word on the street, the latest rumor, is that the publisher will announce "a bunch of" games for Nintendo's console this week.


Updated 02/03/2007

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
New Rumor:

Gamefly has listed that a new Guilty Gears game is headed for the Wii.  This is great news since the Gamecube lacked fighting games and fighting games in general seem to slowing down.  Specially 2D games.

Originally found this story at GoNintendo.com and apparently Gamefly has been pretty accurate about there game posts for the Wii coming true.
I was gonna post this same thing, but I also heard that Game-Crazy originally had this title listed for Wii way back in Oct. '06 and Aksys had formally denied any such rumor in their forums saying "any new game announcements will be listed on our website."

Updated 03/10/2007

Did we miss this? Was is posted somewhere else on the site?

EA developing a rhythm based dancing game for Wii
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Random Nintendo has learned that Electronic Arts is developing an exclusive rhythm game for the Wii. While information is still scare, we do know that the game will be an entirely new property.

The currently untitled Wii project is under development at EA's Montreal studio. The game, which reportedly has a 1970s vibe, will have players control dancers by moving both the Wii Remote and Nunchuk. While it may sound similar to Konami's Dance Dance Revolution: Hottest Mix, one of the main differences appears to be the lack of a dance pad for EA's game.


This game was also just referenced in latest 1up Yours podcast @ about 30minutes in.
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Shane (1up/EGM) says in passing "well they already announced the microphone for the EA dancing game".


Updated 03/13/2007

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption delayed?
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US online retailer Best Buy has sent out an email notifying customers who have pre-ordered Metroid Prime 3: Corruption for Wii that the release date has changed from summer '07 to New. Year's. Eve.


Updated 03/18/2007

The rumor comes from the Japanese gamer mag - GameLabo
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The meat of the rumour, which has been doing the rounds on several US and European websites over the weekend, suggests that a Nintendo meeting took place recently to discuss the subject of an external hard drive for Wii.

While the story might sound a bit ridiculous on the face of it, fact is that many Wii gamers have already hit their limit on the Flash memory that comes with the console - especially if you've been downloading as many VC games as you can get your hands on.

Source- Computer&Videogames.com

Updated 04/06/2007

According to G4tv, there may be a reason why Nintendo has not released Duck Hunt and Hogans Alley yet on the VC. The Gun attachment for the Wiimote labeled "Zapper" was listed as a work inprogress back at E3 and may be released sooner than you think.



They also mentioned that it was rumored that the Resident Evil 4 Wiimake and/or RE: Umbrella Chronicles may be the first Wii games to make use of this peripheral.

That would make for som interesting gameplay for RE:UC but I'm not so sure about using the Zapper in RE4 Wiimake. Motion sensing controlling Leon's arm, and therefore his aim, should already add enough to the gameplay.

Updated 04/09/2007
Is Assassins Creed coming to DS & Wii?

Well according to Kotaku, Gamestop & Gamefly have the DS version listed for a September '07 release and are offering pre-order/rental options, but according to NeoGAF there was a leaked list that also had it listed for the Wii.

I haven't seen this list yet, but as soon as I find it, it will be posted here.

edit: I just saw the leaked list, which is also from Kotaku, but the only problem is that the list was from over a year ago. I wonder how much weight it actually holds.
So for the meantime take this as non-confirmation of Assassins Creed for DS until a more credible rumor pops up supporting the Wii version. Thats what I get for jumping the gun.....

update: Apparently the leaked list(provided by Kotaku above) has been very accurate so far, as many of the games on the list have already been released. Does this add credibility to AC coming to Wii? Maybe, but as with every other game on the list, we'll just have to wait and see.

Updated 04/10/2007
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Originally posted by: The Omen
From game tester land, or, a little birdie told me:

A new FPS from Free Radical is supposedly making waves through the grapevine of the game tester underground.  As you know, EA published Timesplitters:FP (I was testing Madden while that game was being tested in the lan area of the building) So knowing there's still a few friendly connections staff-wise, I am inclined to believe at least some of this.   Apparently Free Radical now have a deal with Ubisoft and they have an exclusive Wii FPS in the alpha stages.  The excitement going around about this top secret game is magnified because some think it's actually Timesplitters 4.

Why is Nascar 08 being held back from the Wii?  I don't know...it was underway with online component and everything.  Perhaps it's scrapped until next year, or perhaps Nintendo doesn't want devs to announce any online enabled games yet?  Either way, I'm surprised.

A famous Capcom classic getting the Wii treatment?  An interesting tidbit out of sunny Capcom HQ, via email. "On **, the primary thinking was to follow the Metroid Prime transition from 2d to 3d, with perhaps some 3rd person spliced in.  It was a quick discussion but intriguing anyway.  Of course **** (name) wasn't supposed to squawk, but yeah, there it is.  But this type of talk is frequent with top brass, and a lot of times nothing comes of it.  But some times...."  Take this one lightly, but it sure sounded like a great idea.


Updated 04/12/2007

Samba De Amigo

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Think NiGHTS was the only retro-game by SEGA coming back to life? Think again. Come Friday and find out what could be one of the biggest no-brainers in retuning franchises to Wii.

Let’s just say that DK: Bongo Blast probably won’t be the only Wii game you’ll be shaking beats to this year.
source

Updated 05/07/2007

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Originally posted by: vudu
RUMOR - Rockstar’s Table Tennis heading to the Wii

Dreamcast shooter Karous coming to Wii
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Now Karous, on the other hand...This is a rumour I can enjoy!


Updated 05/26/2007

Crysis in development for Wii?
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Crysis Screenshot on the Wii?


Updated 06/19/2007

Nintendo to develop games as a 3rd Party for the Apple iPhone?

-Nintendo to develope games for the iPhone
-Games released on the iTunes Shop for about $29.99
-Games aimed at the "older-casual gamer"

Updated 06/29/2007

Beautiful Katamari PS3 canned in favor of Beautiful KatamarWii

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Namco Bandai revealed earlier this year that it was developing the next-generation Katamari Damacy sequel, Beautiful Katamari, for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. Up until recently, the developer continued to work on both versions of the project. However, sources close to Namco Bandai tell IGN that the studio ran into some trouble with the port of the game to PlayStation 3 and these issues, coupled with the stalled sales of the system, have led to the project's quiet cancellation. Looking to better-than-expected sales of Wii, the company has, say insiders, re-shifted resources to ready a Wii build of Beautiful Katamari instead. Given that the title cannot be ported from Xbox 360, the game is being re-concepted for Wii.


Updated 07/08/2007

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Here's a nice juicy rumor:

Mario Kart will be revealed at E3, release in Europe in '07, US in '08, because SSBB will be delayed in Europe 'till '08.


Updated 07/19/2007

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Thanks to a comment by Falafelkid in one of his stories... and conveniently reported through GoNintendo...

Manhunt 2 to be allowed by Nintendo DESPITE AO rating?


Updated 08/17/2007

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Source: The-MagicBox.com

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- RUMOR: Nintendo is planning to release a Famicom model of Wii and Nintendo DS in Japan, which will have the same color scheme used in the classic 8-bit Famicom console.



Updated 08/25/2007

Kingdom Hearts coming to the Wii!!??
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The latest rumor on the street is that, the wii is going to be getting some Kingdom Hearts loving from its creators. The first ever Kingdom Hearts game will be announced for the Wii at this years Tokyo Game show.

The previous Kingdom Hearts games has been exclusive to the PS2 with a Gameboy version thrown in. The developers have already confirmed the game will be coming for the next gen consoles.


Updated 09/09/2007

According to [Gaming-Age.com]http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2007/9/9-7[/l], it appears that the pack in game for the Wii is going to be Link's Crossbow Training.

Updated 09/15/2007

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
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Original source is Gamefront.de
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Is Nintendo planning a 'Nintendo Autumn Conference 2007'?

According to reports of japanese wholesale dealers Nintendo will hold the 'NAC 2007' on 10.10.07 in Tokyo. There should be several announcements, unveilings and a presentation of the upcoming lineup.

Nintendo has neither confirmed nor officially announced this conference.



Updated 09/23/2007

Rumor has it that this game has been officially announced through Nintendo Power (and everyone says they never have exclusives)

Here is the supposed text from the latest magazine
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“Long before Guitar Hero took the world by storm, cult classic Samba de Amigo (For Dreamcast and arcades) was helping gamers connect with the inner musicians. Players would shake a pair of plastic maracas (and occasionally strike a pose) as a sombero-wearing monkey and other bits of assorted madness danced around the screen. If that sounds like a perfect fit for Wii, Sega agrees; the publisher will bring a new installment in the series to Nintendo’s console sometime next year. Detailes are scarse, but you’ll shake the Wii remote and nunchuk as you would the maracas (naturally), and the soundtrack will feature a mix of new and classic tunes. Surprisingly, the developer on the title is Gearbox Software, best known for its work on the acclaimed Brothers in Arms franchise.”


Updated 09/25/2007

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Originally posted by: bustin98
Time to add the rumor of Viva Pinata: Party Animals heading to the Wii. (Via the 1Up Quarterman)


Updated 09/28/2007

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Originally posted by: Kenology
Dunno if someone posted this one yet, but according to EGM's Quatermann:

Final Fantasy Tactics director Yasumi Matsuno (who also conceived and directed Tactics Ogre [SNES] and Vagrant Story [PS1], etc...) is wrangling together some of his old pals who worked on past SRPG titlles like Ogre Battle (SNES) to piece together an exclusive Wii game very similar to Final Fantasy Tactics.

Please let this be a sequel to Tactics Ogre: March of the Black Queen!  And I'd rather be in the vien of Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen and Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Calibur as opposed to Tactics Ogre and FFT - but I'll take what I can get.  Damn I hope this is true...


Updated 10/17/2007

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Originally posted by: Kairon
OKAMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!

THE FRENCH SAY SO! I LOVE THE FRENCH!

Please please please let this be true.....

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Originally posted by: decoyman
"Long dreamed by gamers, claimed in numerous rumors, Okami is finally confirmed on Wii. Slated for release in 2008, it is evidently based on the respectable Playstation 2 version that everyone is already familiar with, and lets you paint lines with the help of the Wiimote. A rumor originating with Capcom, and which is sure to charm Wii owners lacking in big-name titles."

(pant pant) phew! I'm sorry, that's the best I can do, and I don't think it's very good I apologize to any francophone who happens to come along and see my butchering of his/her language!

EDIT: Here's the other article, with my meager translation. AGAIN I'M SORRY OH PLEASE FORGIVE ME GAHHHHH....

"Despite its innovative universe and gameplay, Okami hasn't encountered the sales success that Capcom hoped of it on Sony's console. Probably in order to amortize its investment and to take advantage of its install base, Capcom announces the next outing of Okami on Wii. The question everyone is asking is obviously, who is going to take over development now that the original developer, Clover Studios, has closed its doors."


Updated 10/18/2007

Skies of Arcadia Sequel coming?
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A little out of left field, however, is news of Sega reviving Skies of Arcadia. The sky pirate RPG was criminally overlooked, despite releases on both Dreamcast and GameCube, but apparently Sega been quietly preparing a sequel to the swashbuckling adventure.


Updated 10/24/2007

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
More EGM rumours from the same batch the Skies rumour was yanked from:

~ Geist sequel in the works (would be rad)
~ It's A Wonderful World being localized

Also, Edge says Animal Crossing Wii to be MMO...Also of note in the article is the mention of a possible "Virtual Console" for the DS, in which we'd be able to play old Game Boy and Game Boy Color titles...


Updated 10/29/2007

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Originally posted by: Kairon
So.... Portal for Wii rumor?


Discuss      
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Garnee on July 09, 2006, 07:53:28 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

-Sonic is in Super Smash Bros. Brawl
-Sega Saturn, Neo Geo & Arcade roms may be coming to the Virtual Console
discuss


I thought you said a grain of salt, not the whole shaker!

Saturn ROMS = ISOs = Entire CDs = bigass.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on July 09, 2006, 08:07:40 PM
While I'm not a fan of Pokemon, I think that Nintendo needs to use the franchise on the home consoles like they do on the GB. Even take it one step further into a MMORPG. Could turn me into a fan (maybe).

I would love Resident Evil on Wii. And any other horror games, as long as they are well done. Using the RE4 engine makes sense, too.

While its nice to see some friends from Rare, I really want to hear what Zoonami is planning.

On a blog that I think many here visit, there is some speculation on some new Nintendo patents. One being on a shader tree, another being on emulation, with the last pertaining to adapting one system's APIs for another. I can see the last two being relevant in bringing Sega and NeoGeo games to the Wii, no matter what the original console is. No practical the patents are though, who knows.

Sounds like Square wants to make 2007 (or 2008) the year of FFVII. I think it would be cool to see the game ported to the DS, but I have little time for RPGs, and would rather play them on the big screen than the little ones. Ok, I am really considering FFIII, but thats different.

As long as Shiggy's new IP isn't a virtual garden where Nintendo sends you a random set of flowers and veggies every day, it should be cool. Pulse has several connotations to it, so its wide open.

I still feel the pain of Superman64.  I'm wary of any others.

Kojima is overrated IMHO. Unless he was making something really cool that his fans could get behind, I don't care what he does.

I don't want Tingle. Period. New side quest for Zelda is good. Even having new ones sent in over time would be great.

Thats all I feel like writing. But one more request. Someone needs to make a Wario game out of BlackNMild's icon. 'Follow the Jiggling Jugs'. Imagine using the Wiimote like drum sticks, patting each one and watching the bounce. It would be hypnotizing.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: capamerica on July 09, 2006, 08:33:39 PM
I'm not sure what your take on the CD games is Garnee. But to anyone who thinks that it won't happen, let me direct you twords XboxLive. XboxLive has 1.5GB game demos available so why can't Nintendo have a simple 650MB game on their Virtual Console?  I don't see any reason why full CD games can't be downloaded off of NintendoWiFi. Nintendo is suporting all size USB Drives and we have very large MemoryCards for the Wii.

All the rumors sound good to me. I do hope that the two bad news rumors turn out to be BS thou.
And if FFVII does happen for the DS, I totaly saw that coming! (check my topic on the GB/DS board =P )
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on July 09, 2006, 08:35:24 PM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
And if FFVII does happen for the DS, I totaly saw that coming! (check my topic on the GB/DS board =P )


Sorry, not gonna happen. PSP.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BigJim on July 09, 2006, 08:51:17 PM
Playing CD based games off a memory card = ass.  Those things are too slow.

There's no guarantee of a large media drive for Wii either; it was only said to be possible due to the USB slot.

Meh, this is why I don't like rumor discussions.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: IceCold on July 09, 2006, 09:10:28 PM
Sounds like whoever wrote this just put together some things they'd like and then added the "negative" news to make it sound more believable. Also, since the controller is right down SEGA's alley, I expect NiGHTS, Panzer Dragoon, one or two light gun games and maybe a racing game in there from them. But knowing SEGA, all bets are off..
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 09, 2006, 09:59:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Garnee
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

-Sonic is in Super Smash Bros. Brawl
-Sega Saturn, Neo Geo & Arcade roms may be coming to the Virtual Console
discuss


I thought you said a grain of salt, not the whole shaker!

Saturn ROMS = ISOs = Entire CDs = bigass.
guess you didn't read the article, as it says Sega Saturn games, not roms (it does mention Arcade roms though)

and if FFIII is succesful (lol, like it won't) FFVII (and VIII and IX) could be coming to DS....
would make sense, as it would make the DS the home of most FFs....and it's to early to port X and XII anyways
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: mantidor on July 09, 2006, 09:59:56 PM
I thought that based on past experience any rumor that comes from my beloved native language should be dissmissed.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mario on July 09, 2006, 10:01:12 PM
Probably all made up, but I hope Tingle is in TP. That would revive my interest in the game.

Sonic in SSBB better be fake, nobody likes Sonic anymore. New Capcom IP is definately fake lol.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: AnyoneEB on July 10, 2006, 04:31:59 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
Playing CD based games off a memory card = ass.  Those things are too slow.


Okay, flash is slow, but I am sure it beats the CD-drive in the Sega Saturn by quite a bit. A quick look at the SD wiki page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital ) shows that SD cards are rated in terms of CD speed for throughput (remember that flash has zero seek time) and that the fastest cards are 133x. The Sega Saturn uses a 2x CD drive. 133x (20 MB/s) is starting to challenge some harddrives. Of course, I do not know how fast the card-reader will be in the Wii, but I would expect it to support the latest spec.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on July 10, 2006, 05:24:37 AM
Knowing Nintendo it will be fast because there cool like that.  I'm sure Nintendo isn't going just to take a copy of the games and call it a day.  They've gotten really good at shrinking things down over the year.  So a Saturn game that use to take a full CD with new compression standards and the like could probably be shrunk to about half that with some reencoding of the video I would think.  Needless to say Compression technology has came a good ways since the days of the Saturn and I'm confident that Nintendo will take full benefit of it with all of the Virtual console games.  (Even the already itty-bitty ones.)  This goes back to my hope that they have a hardware compression solution onboard.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: 31 Flavas on July 10, 2006, 06:27:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
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Originally posted by: capamerica
And if FFVII does happen for the DS, I totaly saw that coming! (check my topic on the GB/DS board =P )


Sorry, not gonna happen. PSP.
I would think it would be really stupid of Square/enix to put a FFVII remake on the PSP, at this point. The DS is quite the cultural phenomenon, just like the original Playstation was. Why would they want to limit the game to a system that nobody owns?

Of course, if Sony slaps them with enough money it will make quite sense to them. But still the games availability would be severly curtailed to fans.
 
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 10, 2006, 06:37:12 AM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas

Sorry, not gonna happen. PSP.
I would think it would be really stupid of Square/enix to put a FFVII remake on the PSP, at this point. The DS is quite the cultural phenomenon, just like the original Playstation was. Why would they want to limit the game to a system that nobody owns?

Of course, if Sony slaps them with enough money it will make quite sense to them. But still the games availability would be severly curtailed to fans.
Yeah, I think it would be like trying to push Wonderswan over the GBA again, and we all kow how that ended up...

If FFIII is the huge success everyone is suspecting it to be(I'll even buy it once I get my DS) then they would be stupid to release FFVII on PSP instead of on the DS. I'm sure they want to support the system with the highest userbase, so that thier games can reach the biggest audience possible, and in Japan DS is the obvious choice.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Terranigma Freak on July 10, 2006, 07:44:23 AM
Most of those rumors don't sound TOO fake, and some of them could be quite real indeed. My money's on Kojima canceling the Wii game to port it to PS3. That has the highest chance of being real.

And people... it's already confirmed that the Virtual Console will support CD based game systems. The Turbo Duo is supported on the Wii. It uses CDs. Of course they've only confirmed CD1 games, but it's still a CD game. Castlevania is a Super CD game just so you know, so we don't know if they'll support CD2 and Super CD yet.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 10, 2006, 10:55:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario Sonic in SSBB better be fake, nobody likes Sonic anymore.


I figure Sonic is a shoe-in.

People have wanted to see Sonic vs. Mario for so long now that I'd be stunned if he wasn't included in the game.

Contribution wise, Sonic makes infinitely more sense than Snake. Sonic's most successful games this gen have been on Nintendo platforms and Sega and Nintendo have worked together frequently, even outsourcing F-Zero to Amusement Vision.

Rumors abounded about Sonic being in Melee. This time, the "no 3rd party characters" rule has been broken so I can't possibly see him NOT being in the game.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Pale on July 10, 2006, 10:59:23 AM
I can't believe Mario said he needs tingle to revive his interest in Zelda.  In fact, I can't believe so many people are so down on Zelda...

Despite all this multiple version stuff... IT IS STILL FREAKING ZELDA WITH AWESOME NEW ART DIRECTION!  Ya know, that same game we all cheered about two e3s ago?  Yeah, it's still that.

Also, the Wii version does NOT suck... in fact it rocks pretty hard...

Edit:
Also, why can't Square release FFVII on both PSP and DS?  People are so caught up in exclusivity.  We are talking about the new Square here.. the one that wants to whore out FF more than it ever has before... and that means a WHOLE LOT!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Magik on July 10, 2006, 11:26:42 AM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
I'm not sure what your take on the CD games is Garnee. But to anyone who thinks that it won't happen, let me direct you twords XboxLive. XboxLive has 1.5GB game demos available so why can't Nintendo have a simple 650MB game on their Virtual Console?  I don't see any reason why full CD games can't be downloaded off of NintendoWiFi. Nintendo is suporting all size USB Drives and we have very large MemoryCards for the Wii.

All the rumors sound good to me. I do hope that the two bad news rumors turn out to be BS thou.
And if FFVII does happen for the DS, I totaly saw that coming! (check my topic on the GB/DS board =P )


It works for XBL because there's an actual harddrive available to store it.  All we know about the storage with the Wii is SD cards with the highest being just over 2GBs which is not a lot of space if the demos are really 1.5GB.  External Hard Drives are a possibility, but until Nintendo says its possible to use them, we can't really speculate based on it.

Nintendo's online service also will need the ability to resume downloads just as XBL allows to even consider allowing large downloads such as full ISOs.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on July 10, 2006, 11:33:37 AM
Sonic like snake was going to be in ssbm but they ran out of time so that most likely true and tingle souldn't be in tp unless link can kill him over and over...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 10, 2006, 11:49:42 AM
I figure this stuff is 99.9% false, give or take 0.1%.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: mantidor on July 10, 2006, 11:56:33 AM
I don't buy the Kojima rumor, he's too focused right now in MGS4 , I bet he hasn't even thought about the wii game, he probably has a concept and nothing more, and he has expressed his love for the wii more than one ocassion. MGS4 isn't even finished why would they port some game that probably doesnt  even have begun production from a console that hasn't been released yet to another that also hasn't been released?

The tingle rumor is kind of stupid also, why would they include it? the game is going to be used to sell the console, Tingle present will hardly increased sales and probably risk a few of them, and thats Nintendo focus right now, to sell consoles not to make the best game ever, the game already has a couple of freaks anyway.

The only rumor I buy is Sonic in brawl but thats not even a rumor is more like "duh!".
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 10, 2006, 12:10:24 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor The tingle rumor is kind of stupid also, why would they include it? the game is going to be used to sell the console, Tingle present will hardly increased sales and probably risk a few of them, and thats Nintendo focus right now, to sell consoles not to make the best game ever, the game already has a couple of freaks anyway.


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Does this mean you've reevaluated your opinion on the subject of TP Wii?

And I can't imagine Sonic being passed up. He's the only 3rd party character which many believed that SSBM would have made an exception for in order to include him in the game.

He has been Mario's "rival" since the dawn of the 16-bit era and he has been quite successful on Nintendo platforms (Sonic Adventures, Sonic Rush, and soon, Sonic Wildfire).

If Hideo Kojima can ask and get Snake put into the game, I'm sure Sega would ask to get Sonic into the game and they have far, far more of a right to ask such a thing.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: 31 Flavas on July 10, 2006, 01:00:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale

Also, the Wii version does NOT suck... in fact it rocks pretty hard...
Oh comon, it's just typical Nintendo is d00m3d type stuff. Nothing to get in a hissy fit over.

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Also, why can't Square release FFVII on both PSP and DS?  People are so caught up in exclusivity.  We are talking about the new Square here.. the one that wants to whore out FF more than it ever has before... and that means a WHOLE LOT!
Hm... perhaps for the same reasons why the n64 version was never made? Loss of popularity, internal company conflict, and problematic hardware.

Seeing as Nintendo DS Lite hardware is still selling 150,000+ units per week at retail with, [edit:] what i've read as most retailers selling at over a 50% markup... I'd say Square really only has to worry about perfecting a DS version of FFVII. The PSP port can come later, if at all.

Edit: Ok, I guess i'll mark this as blatent bias. It's not intentional flame bait, just my obvious fanboy side showing up.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 10, 2006, 01:05:50 PM
I don't see why Square would be inclined to work so hard to bring the game to the PSP when the PSP has such a god-awful tie in ratio and only sells decently in the US where FF games aren't nearly as well received as they are in Japan...where the PSP is doing horrible.

If anything, the ONE game which should have done extremely well on the console was GTA:LCS because the US is the PSP's target audience for games. And yet, LCS tanked so badly on the PSP that Rockstar ported it to the PS2 to recoup losses.

The only FF game I see them remaking is FFIII on the DS. After the no doubt exceptional sales the game will have, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't bring other FF games to the console as well.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ruby_onix on July 10, 2006, 02:14:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Garnee
Saturn ROMS = ISOs = Entire CDs = bigass.

I think it makes perfect sense for old cart-based games to be available by download, with CD-based games being custom made (by Nintendo) mail-order reprints.

The old carts were expensive to make way back when, and now they're even more expensive because all the facilities have been destroyed. ROMs are all they have left. Anyone with CD-based games can make as many more of them as they want for less than $0.25 each at the snap of their fingers, provided all the licencing issues are out of the way. And that's on top of the obvious "carts = puny downloads, CDs = massive downloads" thing.

And there's nothing physically preventing the Wii (once it has all the appropriate emulators in place, which is supposedly will) from playing any of the CD-based games. The DVD specs supposedly even require CD support (although not necassarily CD-R support), so if the Wii has an optional attachment allowing DVD movie playback, it must be able to play CDs.

The only problem is that everybody on the entire Internet seems to think that Nintendo is deathly afraid of allowing people to put TGCD and Sega CD and Saturn CDs into their Wii, from a piracy standpoint, and they're also unwilling to allow anyone to play their existing old games on the Wii, from the greed standpoint and wanting to sell games twice, to the few people who already have those games. So people think they won't.

Hey Nintendo, how'd that greed and fear of piracy work out for you on the GameCube?

Nintendo could combat PlayStation by having full 100% Sega Saturn backwards compatibility. But they're afraid of it. Please Nintendo, prove us wrong.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 10, 2006, 02:23:07 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Nintendo could combat PlayStation by having full 100% Sega Saturn backwards compatibility. But they're afraid of it. Please Nintendo, prove us wrong.
Now wouldn't it be realy funny if Nintendo "accidentally" leaked a Wii compatible PS1 emulator, and pretended to not know where it came from or how it got on the Wii.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: 31 Flavas on July 10, 2006, 03:10:53 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix

The only problem is that everybody on the entire Internet seems to think that Nintendo is deathly afraid of allowing people to put TGCD and Sega CD and Saturn CDs into their Wii, from a piracy standpoint, and they're also unwilling to allow anyone to play their existing old games on the Wii, from the greed standpoint and wanting to sell games twice, to the few people who already have those games. So people think they won't.
Which old games won't we be able to play? If you're going to hold it against Nintendo for not letting you "register" the NES games you already own, then you'd better hang NEC and Sega if they don't let you "register" their games as well! OMG Sega and NEC are trying to get another sale off of me! GREEEEEEED~~~!~!~~~~

Speaking of piracy why don't you ask, Sega, how that anti-piracy stuff worked out for them...  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 10, 2006, 03:23:35 PM
Technically, you are buying another product.  You are buying the ROM in a downloadable form which can be played on the new Nintendo Wii system.

So, it isn't greed.  

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ruby_onix on July 10, 2006, 03:46:06 PM
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Which old games won't we be able to play?

My entire TGCD, Sega CD, and Saturn game collection (meager as they are), for instance.

Just because I have those games, it doesn't mean I won't increase my collections with new Wii-inspired purchases. Or that newbies won't get into those games. Nintendo wants the newbies. And they want me to grow my collection. And they want me to re-buy everything I already have, or get pissed off and tell them to take a hike. One of those three doesn't seem to be worth it for Nintendo.

Letting you play your existing game collections on the Wii will only spur hardware sales.

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If you're going to hold it against Nintendo for not letting "register" the NES games you already own, then you'd better hang NEC and Sega if they don't let you "register" their games as well!

I won't complain about having to re-buy my Master System, TG-16, or Genesis games. I didn't complain about having to re-buy GBA ports. It's unfortunate that hardware restrictions got in the way, but I can understand that.

I will complain if Nintendo doesn't let me download NES games for free if I've registered my NES Classic GBA games with them, because they were forward thinking enough to let you register them in the first place. I did complain when Nintendo yanked GB/GBC support from the DS and micro. I will complain if the Wii can't play a simple CD.

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Speaking of piracy why don't you ask, Sega, how that anti-piracy stuff worked out for them...

The Dreamcast was dead and cancelled long before it's piracy scene exploded. The Saturn was virtually unaffected. If anything, piracy pushed hardware sales on the PlayStation, and it became a juggernaut, which is what killed the Dreamcast.

I am in favor of restricting piracy. But you're not supposed to shoot yourself in the foot or tie your own hands while doing it.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: AnyoneEB on July 10, 2006, 05:21:49 PM
Spak-Spang: Except, that would mean Nintendo is making it difficult for you to exercise your fair-use rights under US (and probably other) copyright law. If you could figure out how to do so, it would be perfectly legal to play your old Saturn/other disc games and even your old cartridge-based games on the Wii. Then again, it is quite simple to buy a GBA flash cart and load emulators/ROMs onto it, but the Super Mario Advance games did quite well. I assume that while Nintendo may be encouraging independent developers, they will be very much against home-brew programs which could be emulators. Also, I assume that the VC ROMs will be encrypted like the iTMS music. Of course, I cannot really complain about those measures because they are quite reasonable for anti-piracy. If I really want to play Saturn games off CDs on my TV, I can hook up a regular computer and a USB adapter for whatever console's controller I want to use.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on July 10, 2006, 06:09:16 PM
It's hard to recommend Nintendo games to my relatives in the philippines because everyone there just pirates everything, and it's much easier to pirate the PS2...

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on July 10, 2006, 06:16:27 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
I did complain when Nintendo yanked GB/GBC support from the DS and micro. I will complain if the Wii can't play a simple CD.


I think you're being quite unreasonable here. You can't rail against the unstoppable march of future tech that isn't backward's compatible. Heck, I can't find a floppy drive anywhere in my dorm to let me install Civilization on my computer, and after I worked so hard to track down an actual original copy! Oh, not to mention that Windows XP completely refuses to run the entire DOS game library, like the beloved Monkey Island games, or Lode Runner or the aforementioned Civ.

But I'm not complaining. That's just the nature of technology, and even of life. Heck, I can't "re-play" my elementary school years, and its just the nature of things, lives, and treasured heirlooms to be lost to merciless time and live on only in memory. And I don't see why it should be any different for game consoles.

Besides, this is a business, and people with big retro collections are an insignificant niche. *shrug* That's just the way the world works, in my opinion.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: 31 Flavas on July 10, 2006, 06:19:39 PM
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Originally posted by: AnyoneEB

Spak-Spang: Except, that would mean Nintendo is making it difficult for you to exercise your fair-use rights under US (and probably other) copyright law.
Except, you know, that problem where the copyright law says nothing about the copyright holder having to furnish you with copies. You get to copy, backup, archive the media that you physically bought and that's it. You don't get copies provided to you and you don't have claim on Nintendo's VC copy, even if it's a binary match. You don't even have to go to a lawyer for this stuff.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ruby_onix on July 10, 2006, 08:04:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I think you're being quite unreasonable here. You can't rail against the unstoppable march of future tech that isn't backward's compatible. Heck, I can't find a floppy drive anywhere in my dorm to let me install Civilization on my computer, and after I worked so hard to track down an actual original copy! Oh, not to mention that Windows XP completely refuses to run the entire DOS game library, like the beloved Monkey Island games, or Lode Runner or the aforementioned Civ.

Floppy drives became obsolete, so I can accept that they cut them (although you can still get them on new computers if you want, but that doesn't contribute to this discussion).

If your computer has a floppy drive, but it still can't run Monkey Island or Civ 1 (which is true of Windows XP), then I think that's bogus (and I blame Microsoft). The DS and micro have GBC-compatible cart slots. They're not obsolete, because the GBA still uses them quite well. The Wii has a TGCD/Sega CD/Saturn-compatible disc drive, AND it knows how to use it (which is more than we can say about Windows XP and the DS/micro), but it (probably) won't. The word for that is "crippleware".

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Originally posted by: AnyoneEB
Spak-Spang: Except, that would mean Nintendo is making it difficult for you to exercise your fair-use rights under US (and probably other) copyright law. If you could figure out how to do so, it would be perfectly legal to play your old Saturn/other disc games and even your old cartridge-based games on the Wii.

Nintendo locking out, or failing to provide, native CD game support doesn't impact your ability to mod your Wii and load it up with emulators and play old games. It's just that if they did provide CD game support, there would be no need for the mod.


Edit: And if the Wii was functional as TGCD/Sega CD/Saturn hardware, those systems would lose their status as abandonware, and you'd lose your legal right to break the copy protection on those systems' games as provided by the DMCA.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: 31 Flavas on July 10, 2006, 08:18:37 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix

The Wii has a TGCD/Sega CD/Saturn-compatible disc drive, AND it knows how to use it (which is more than we can say about Windows XP and the DS/micro), but it (probably) won't. The word for that is "crippleware".
Wow. That takes the cake.

We've got a Nintendo fan here that is fuming mad because his Nintendo system doesn't play its competitors games.  
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Post by: Athrun Zala on July 10, 2006, 08:23:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
It's hard to recommend Nintendo games to my relatives in the philippines because everyone there just pirates everything, and it's much easier to pirate the PS2...

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
sadly, that seems to be common in most 3rd World countries.......obviously, you can only expect so much given the economical situation (in each one)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ruby_onix on July 10, 2006, 08:30:19 PM
The Wii will play it's (former) competitors games. I'm bothered by the idea that it won't play them right (I'm used to having high expectations from Nintendo), and I like the idea of buying tangible things more than buying downloads.

When I'm on WiiConnect24, I want a button beside "Download: Panzer Dragoon Saga" which says "Order Hard Copy". And I don't care if it costs slightly more (plus postage) and comes in a new jewel case that has a Nintendo logo on the back. But I want it to be a real Saturn game.
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Post by: IceCold on July 10, 2006, 08:40:42 PM
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Letting you play your existing game collections on the Wii will only spur hardware sales
Yet it will curb software sales and profit. As it is the Virtual Console has the potential to lower the tie-in ratio if that is all people use; this would devastate it.
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Post by: Kairon on July 10, 2006, 08:47:45 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I think you're being quite unreasonable here. You can't rail against the unstoppable march of future tech that isn't backward's compatible. Heck, I can't find a floppy drive anywhere in my dorm to let me install Civilization on my computer, and after I worked so hard to track down an actual original copy! Oh, not to mention that Windows XP completely refuses to run the entire DOS game library, like the beloved Monkey Island games, or Lode Runner or the aforementioned Civ.

Floppy drives became obsolete, so I can accept that they cut them (although you can still get them on new computers if you want, but that doesn't contribute to this discussion).

If your computer has a floppy drive, but it still can't run Monkey Island or Civ 1 (which is true of Windows XP), then I think that's bogus (and I blame Microsoft). The DS and micro have GBC-compatible cart slots. They're not obsolete, because the GBA still uses them quite well. The Wii has a TGCD/Sega CD/Saturn-compatible disc drive, AND it knows how to use it (which is more than we can say about Windows XP and the DS/micro), but it (probably) won't. The word for that is "crippleware".


Hmmmm...

To begin with, the Wii drive CANNOT read TGCD, Sega CD, nor Saturn games. That's just crazy. It's compatible with GC discs (which are almost opposite of any other disc out there, as far as I know) and Wii's own discs (probably DVD-format discs read in a similar manner to the GC's discs? Just a guess) but that's it. Can you imagine the technical mayhem in constructing a drive that can read not just those two alien formats, but also 3 deas-as-a-doornail-formats?

Also, the GameBoy hardware was being held back immensely by backwards compatibility.A big reason that Nintendo's handheld hardware has been lackluster is not just because of battery consumption issues, but also because by the when GBC came out a full SEVEN years after the GB first came out, all it amolunted to was a very thin sheen over the regular GB hardware.

Also, the GBA could only support GBC and before games due to a COMPLETELY SEPERATE legacy chipset being included. This is tantamount to including a PS2 with every PS3. The new hardware is just too different too make native backwards compatibility feasible. Not to mention that including a seperate legacy chipset drives up the price, or forces you to cut corners. Note that the non-inclusion of a legacy 15+ year old chipset is the reason that the DS cannot play GBC or GB games: the hardware simply doesn't exist in the system. The GB slot is there purely for GBA games, not for, like you suppose, GBC or GB games.

Basically, I believe that forcing backwards compatibility is a drag on the future.

For example: the Pokemon games. The uninterrupted line of Pokemon in the games makes each consecutive version less flexible than it could be, and only prolongs certain imbalances in the earlier games. It also prevents new ways to technical conceptualize Pokemon stats and data, a nd overall dilutes the experiences of later versions. I actually want Pokemon: Pearl & Diamond to NOT be backwards compatible so that they can rebalance everything in the game, re-tune the Pokemon stat system and rethink the move and ability libraries. Pokemon is, to me, a very real example of a game that is stagnating because it is being held to compatibility with its past.

Likewise, I think that demanding backwards compatibility from systems is not only impractical (once you see how it was actually done on the Gameboy, and after seeing the three different approaches MS, Nintendo and Sony are taking to backwards compatibility this next-gen: GC-similarity in Wii hardware, Game-by-game emulation for the X360 and possibly packing in a PS2 with every PS3) but ALSO holding games (like Pokemon) back and not letting the future blazes new trails.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on July 10, 2006, 08:54:09 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
The Wii will play it's (former) competitors games. I'm bothered by the idea that it won't play them right (I'm used to having high expectations from Nintendo), and I like the idea of buying tangible things more than buying downloads.


Of course it won't play Sega games or TG-FX games right... I mean, heck. They're not Nintendo games, they never CAN be played right, even on their native hardware.

Oh, and I also share your urge for tangible things, I believe in having a CD collection (though I'm just getting started on mine), but unfortunately the future is moving towards digital distribution, which is actually better for most everyone in the content chain and allows for a more fluid and dynamic flow of ideas at lower cost.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ruby_onix on July 10, 2006, 09:42:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
To begin with, the Wii drive CANNOT read TGCD, Sega CD, nor Saturn games. That's just crazy. It's compatible with GC discs (which are almost opposite of any other disc out there, as far as I know) and Wii's own discs (probably DVD-format discs read in a similar manner to the GC's discs? Just a guess) but that's it. Can you imagine the technical mayhem in constructing a drive that can read not just those two alien formats, but also 3 deas-as-a-doornail-formats?

As I mentioned earlier, the Revolution's drive was announced to be DVD-compatible (with an "unlocking" attachment, to avoid fees). The DVD specs supposedly demand CD reading ability. AFAIK, CD-R's, CD-RW's, and PSX discs are different enough to require a second laser. That's why Sony built a custom 2-in-1 laser for the PS2 which caused a bunch of DRE's. But there are $25 DVD players at Wallmart that can play CD and DVD and CD-R and CD-RW, and MP3, and all that kind of stuff, simply by including two lasers. It's apparently not that expensive to have two lasers (or Dolby Digital ports).

The Cube discs are just a slightly different form of mini-DVD. After they finally came out with that Cube modchip, people supposedly got it to read mini-DVD's. And the GameCube GameShark supposedly comes on a (specially written) plain old mini-CD, not mini-DVD or GameCube disc. So the Cube's laser apparently doesn't sweat the CD/DVD difference.

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Also, the GBA could only support GBC and before games due to a COMPLETELY SEPERATE legacy chipset being included. This is tantamount to including a PS2 with every PS3. The new hardware is just too different too make native backwards compatibility feasible. Not to mention that including a seperate legacy chipset drives up the price, or forces you to cut corners. Note that the non-inclusion of a legacy 15+ year old chipset is the reason that the DS cannot play GBC or GB games: the hardware simply doesn't exist in the system. The GB slot is there purely for GBA games, not for, like you suppose, GBC or GB games.

The GBC supported the GB (and gave it color even) through emulation. Emulators for all these systems will already be included within the Wii (not all games will be ported to/enhanced on the Wii, because a lot of the dev teams and source codes are long gone). It's just a matter of reading from the main drive instead of the flash RAM or whatever happens to be inserted into the USB ports (which could theoretically even be an external CD drive).


Edit: Actually, the main issue is Nintendo's copy protection. It's widely believed that Nintendo will encrypt every single download so it can only play on the same piece of hardware which you used to place your order. And if you can play the original unencrypted games, then what's stopping you from playing ROMs that some warez hacker on IRC has decrypted? But really, if you're going to play ROMs, there are far easier ways to do that than hunting down some custom-decrypted Wii versions. And then there are all those Sega CD bootlegs sarcasm. I know they exist, but who in their right mind would bootleg Snatcher if you can buy a 100% legit version for $15 from a trustworthy source at the click of a button? That's what I mean about Nintendo tying their own hands.

Regardless of the encryption/decryption issue, I do want to be able to order hard copies of the games, and plug them into the front drive. But without them being actual "new" legacy games (new games playable on old hardware, and vice-versa), they lose something. And that automatically translates into lost dollars for Nintendo.


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They're not Nintendo games, they never CAN be played right, even on their native hardware.

Zing!  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Terranigma Freak on July 11, 2006, 05:44:28 AM
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I don't buy the Kojima rumor, he's too focused right now in MGS4 , I bet he hasn't even thought about the wii game, he probably has a concept and nothing more, and he has expressed his love for the wii more than one ocassion. MGS4 isn't even finished why would they port some game that probably doesnt even have begun production from a console that hasn't been released yet to another that also hasn't been released?


Miyamoto himself is usually involved with more than 10 games at a time. I don't see how Kojima couldn't be involved in multiple projects. Just cause the console's not done yet doesn't mean they can't start working on the game. If people wait till the consoles is out to make games, we'd be sitting with a useless console for months without a single game to play.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Pale on July 11, 2006, 06:01:06 AM
Ruby, you really show some of your ignorance in calling Wii crippleware because it won't play your old discs.  You sound like you think Nintendo went out of their way to lock out such a possibility.  Don't you think booting to a disc and booting to what is essentially an OS loading what are most likely specially prepared ROMs into a specially prepared emulator are different things?  Nintendo isn't going out of it's way to screw people over.  The amount of work required to add that capability is not a financially sound decision given how few people will have those discs.

All of your other examples point to reasons where it is financially smart.  Millions of people have GBA games, so a GBA slot in the DS makes sense.  Don't be so silly in your extreme negativity.  If you honestly think Nintendo is going out of its way to ruin your day, you need to wake up.
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 11, 2006, 06:08:29 AM
Some old systems can be very timing-dependent so the Wii's faster drive could cause problems.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on July 11, 2006, 06:31:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale The amount of work required to add that capability is not a financially sound decision given how few people will have those discs.


But all 13 Saturn owners will be crushed and hate Nintendo forever!

Seriously, he's right.

Nintendo supporting these old games at all is a boon as it is. Be thankful that we have the chance to play them on our Wiis, period.  
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Post by: Ceric on July 11, 2006, 07:06:15 AM
I want to play NiGHTs into Dreams.  I got a Saturn just to do that but I haven't actually got the game yet.  That being said.  The Saturn had a weird architecture to begin with.  I think it would be very hard to emulate.  In fact Everyone is just assuming Nintendo is going to have support for the Saturn.  If someone can link me to an article that has an announcement of Saturn Support I'll be quiet about it.

Now on the Hard copy thing.  I could see, if there is enough interest , you being able to buy VC games and then getting a compilation disc with them all on it for a nominal fee.  In fact if I were Nintendo I keep track of the most popular VC games and sell a compilation disc that cost slightly more then the games would be bought straight.  Release it annually and put in best ranked, most popular, etc etc.  Throw in some random series to peak interest.  Yeah.  That be for all of us people who won't have the means to get online.  That could work.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: couchmonkey on July 11, 2006, 07:24:58 AM
Wow, when did everyone get so demanding about backwards compatability?  I mean, Xbox 360 can't even play a ton of Xbox games, that's a serious issue.  But now I'm hearing people whining that PS3 will be region locked if you're playing PS2 and PSX games, who cares?  They're OLD, and the games were region locked in the first place!  Now Nintendo is killing us all by not including backwards compatability with OTHER companies' game systems?  I mean, Microsoft's backwards compatability is still half-broken, and Sony apparently had to stuff PS2 hardware in alongside PS3 hardware to get backwards compatability working.  Should Nintendo go to those lengths to play Saturn games?

Heck, why stop there?  I demand CD-I backwards compatability!  I want to play Wand of Gamelon and Hotel Mario, dammit!  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 11, 2006, 07:46:18 AM
I think the problem is that people seem to be confusing the Wii for the Yoshi Box because it promises emulation of older systems.

That's not technically backwards compatibility, it's emulation. You can't ask Nintendo to make their system "backwards compatible" with a competing console from years back.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: 31 Flavas on July 11, 2006, 08:03:32 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey

Now Nintendo is killing us all by not including backwards compatability with OTHER companies' game systems?
Yea, I know. It's amazing what Nintendo has to do these days to not be considered "d0o0o0o0oMmmM3d!". Cleaning house at E3, providing your entire backcatalog, and a $200 price point just arn't enough these days. They've got to run their competiors original cd media as well as provide new hard pressed copies of these games, as well.
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Post by: Donutt007 on July 11, 2006, 11:03:16 AM
So here's somethings I'm starting to wonder. I'm sure they'll set it up so the games that you download from the VC can only be played on your system. Otherwise people will just be bootlegging and selling them all over the place.

Now what happens if for some reason your system goes bad. Although I've never had a nintendo system die on me before, say my buddy spills a beer on it, I punch him in the face and make him buy me a new one....do I need to punch him some more and make him rebuy the games?

Or will it know that I purchased them and reinstall them for me?

Hell are the games even stored on the machine or will they be in an online account type thing?

It would be pretty cool if they were in an online account. Then you could go to your buddy's house hop on their Wii, type in your password and play the games you purchased.
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Post by: 31 Flavas on July 11, 2006, 11:41:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Donutt007

Now what happens if for some reason your system goes bad. Although I've never had a nintendo system die on me before, say my buddy spills a beer on it, I punch him in the face and make him buy me a new one....do I need to punch him some more and make him rebuy the games?
Granted we still know next to nothing about how the VC works both technically and from a market place stand point. That said though, its probably going to be a combination of encryption/DRM and online database connectivity. It would give increased flexability for the user and increased security for Nintendo/Sega/NEC and the individual game developer.

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Post by: ruby_onix on July 11, 2006, 12:13:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale
Ruby, you really show some of your ignorance in calling Wii crippleware because it won't play your old discs.  You sound like you think Nintendo went out of their way to lock out such a possibility.  Don't you think booting to a disc and booting to what is essentially an OS loading what are most likely specially prepared ROMs into a specially prepared emulator are different things?

Do you think that it's any more difficult for the emulator to load from the DVD drive than something like say, a USB hard drive (which has been pretty much confirmed)?

The definition of crippleware is something that's not living up to it's potential, because they want to charge you for it. The "special preparations" on those ROMs (assuming there are any, as we're all just assuming here) are going to be there for piracy reasons, not to make the games work.

If all the pieces are in place (original games, CD drive, fully-licenced compatible hardware via emulation, a good controller), and it can't be a substitute for the original hardware, then it's either crippleware (if what they really want is for me to buy my games twice), or it's got self-crippling anti-piracy features.

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Nintendo isn't going out of it's way to screw people over.  The amount of work required to add that capability is not a financially sound decision given how few people will have those discs.

All of your other examples point to reasons where it is financially smart.  Millions of people have GBA games, so a GBA slot in the DS makes sense.  Don't be so silly in your extreme negativity.  If you honestly think Nintendo is going out of its way to ruin your day, you need to wake up.

I don't know how much it would cost to add a Z80 chip to the GBA chip they already added to the DS. But even if it is a lot, they could've tried emulation. There are fan-made GBC emulators that run on the GBA.

And how many millions of people do you think will download VC versions of TG-16 games?

I spoke to a couple of older gamers when the VC news broke, and most are concerned about the life left in their old hardware. Most of them said that if the Rev/Wii qualified as new Sega CD/TGCD hardware, and that it had S-video/Component outputs, they'd buy one at launch, regardless of any revolutionary games. A hardware sale is a hardware sale, and I doubt that non-gaming grandmothers will do more for the Wii's attach rate than these people.

Yes, if the VC is a locked download-only system, that's something unheard of and it's better than nothing. But it'll be falling short of it's potential, and that will make me sad.
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Post by: Kairon on July 11, 2006, 12:25:21 PM
Regardless, this is still a huge niche issue. And catering to such a small niche would only be a distraction from all of the other things that Nintendo gets to do right. Not to mention it's a headache of a technical issue too, and probably a legal issue that Nintendo probably doesn't have time to work out before launch.

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A hardware sale is a hardware sale


Tell that to the PSP.

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Post by: Ceric on July 11, 2006, 05:48:20 PM
You know what.  No one's moaned about this and it makes sense.  I want Virtual Boy games on my Virtual Console.  The Stand for my Virtual Boy broke and I liked a good amount of the games.  So I want to play them on the Wii.  Even if it's just on an ordinary screen.
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Post by: AnyoneEB on July 11, 2006, 06:44:59 PM
ruby_onix: As I understand the GBC's hardware, it does not need to emulate the GB. It just has extra options for games to put it into color mode and use the IR port. I believe GBA did use separate hardware to cover GB/GBC support, although its processor is plenty powerful to do so in software and they could have done so on the DS and Micro. Actually, I am not sure exactly how the hardware is designed. It may be possible to create a DS card with a GBC emulator on it. (I do not know if the GBA and GBC cart reading hardware differs.) It certainly would have been quite possible for Nintendo to include a GBC emulator on the ROM chip on the Micro, although it would have required some extra work, which they (probably correctly) deemed unprofitable.

I know Nintendo is in no way bound to helping people run old games on new hardware, but trying to make it as difficult as possible (illegal under DMCA somehow?) to play those old discs which require no hardware modifications to be playable and then resell the exact same games sounds greedy to me.

I assume that any encryption of Wii VC ROMs will be for making it difficult to get ROMs onto your Wii (or onto your friend's Wii) as opposed to making it difficult to get them off. Nintendo is well aware that the ROMs are in the wild and surely has no illusions that they can keep illegal ROMs off the internet.

Just a note on the DMCA: Technically, the DMCA has a clause allowing an except for interopability, so, no matter what it takes to get your Saturn ROMs onto your Wii, it is perfectly legal to do so. On the other hand, if you widely distribute how to do so, I hope you have deep pockets for the lawyer's fees.
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Post by: Strell on July 11, 2006, 08:08:22 PM
People are bitching about BC?

I hope none of you own a 360 or a PS2 then.  You must be in shambles over them.
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Post by: Mikintosh on July 11, 2006, 08:54:40 PM
I think Nintendo doesn't feel a huge commitment to provide backwards capability to old platforms because the percentage of their current consumers who own any of them is a small fraction. They haven't even sold Game Boy Color games for almost 5 years (I got Pokemon Crystal right before they died out), and the used game market isn't that extensive.

I'd probably like the compilation disk personally, but I don't see them doing it as it's the exact opposite of the iTunes structure that Nintendo said it's trying to emulate. It's cheaper to distribute these things online without packaging, etc.
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Post by: couchmonkey on July 12, 2006, 05:32:49 AM
Now Virtual Boy backwards compatability - I can see them ignoring it for the same reason as Saturn backwards compatability, in fact it might be even harder to do since the code was probably designed specifically for the Virtual Boy's unique display.  Having said all that, I'd love to see it.  I mean, VBs must be hard to come by nowdays, and since it's one of Nintendo's own systems I see it as a more important omission than Saturn.

So err, I would love to see it, heck I'd love to see Saturn too, but I don't expect either.
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Post by: Kairon on July 12, 2006, 05:41:27 AM
Personally, I'm hoping against hope for Sega CD and TG-FX CD virtual console support... but I know it's a futile effort... *sniff*

edit: I meant to say that I hope they sell Sega CD and TG-FX CD games on the virtual console so that I can download them and play them. I never owned a Sega Genesis, CD, or TG-FX, so I have no qualms whatsoever about paying for games I never owned before.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
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Post by: stevey on July 12, 2006, 12:45:50 PM
I would love to play all of my dreamcast games and all 2 sega cd games on the wii and much as next sega fanboy, but sega would make way more money making collection, ports, remakes and they would get next to nothing in money by adding support since it isn't their system.
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Post by: Kairon on July 12, 2006, 12:55:37 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
I would love to play all of my dreamcast games and all 2 sega cd games on the wii and much as next sega fanboy, but sega would make way more money making collection, ports, remakes and they would get next to nothing in money by adding support since it isn't their system.


A good reason not to blame Nintendo: blame Sega.

~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Mikintosh on July 12, 2006, 02:37:24 PM
I think this was said earlier; Dreamcast and other bigger games probably won't be included because they'd take too much space for the Wii to save on whatever they save the games on. Genesis and prior games are comparatively smaller.
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Post by: Crimm on July 12, 2006, 03:30:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I think this was said earlier; Dreamcast and other bigger games probably won't be included because they'd take too much space for the Wii to save on whatever they save the games on. Genesis and prior games are comparatively smaller.


The only real way Dreamcast, or heck Saturn games, would be Wii compatable would be disk-read emulation.

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2006, 07:55:02 AM
NEW Rumors straight from the EGM rumor mill *more salt needed*

If DQ Wii and DQ DS sell well then Dragon Quest IX will be exclusive for Wii

& SquareEnix is working on a MMORPG in the Mana Universe

and one for the DS because I don't want to start another thread
Mother(Earthbound) Compilation for DS complete with Touchscreen capabilities.
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If either of the first two have any truth to them, such as DQ is also coming to Wii or a NEW Mana game is coming to Wii, it is definately very very good news, especially if exclusive and/or MMO

as for the DS rumor, I would guess that this is great news as I've never played the game and I have no idea how much Japan or the U.S loves Mother/Eathbound.    
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Post by: couchmonkey on July 14, 2006, 10:46:41 AM
The DQ rumour is kind of silly.  If the two games sell 10 million copies each, then of course Square Enix would consider putting DQ IX on the Wii exclusively.  How well is "'well"?

Still, those are all fun rumours, even if I don't believe them.  I'd LOVE to see a DS complication of the Earthbound games, I'm even willing to bet they'd release it here.
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Post by: Kairon on July 14, 2006, 10:48:16 AM
Well... we know what we have to do then don't we?

...j/k

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 14, 2006, 12:00:03 PM
Even though the Dragon Quest rumor doesn't sound right, the Wii probobly will get Dragon Quest IX in the future.  The Dragon Quest series is the most popular series in Japan and Enix now SquareEnix will only put it on the most popular system in Japan.  From everything we've seen the Wii is looking to easily win the Japanese market.  If the Wii becomes like the DS and just dominates sales in Japan over the PS3 over the next year then Dragon Quest IX will be announced for the Wii.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2006, 01:49:08 PM
If I was Nintendo after sales of the Wii break records in Japan...I would negotiate for exclusive rights to Dragon Quest IX.  I would offer a buttload of money, and perhaps give SquareEnix the funding and right to create a new Zelda traditional RPG or something like that.  

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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 14, 2006, 02:52:30 PM
Zelda RPG = NO NO NO!

If anything I'd like to see another Mario RPG from them, but please spare Zelda from the genre...
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Post by: EasyCure on July 14, 2006, 02:56:30 PM
i would pee myself if the earthbound rumor was true (well, if true and 100% confirmed that it was coming to the US)
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Post by: Kairon on July 14, 2006, 03:21:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Zelda RPG = NO NO NO!

If anything I'd like to see another Mario RPG from them, but please spare Zelda from the genre...


QFT.

Keep Zelda pure. Only Nintendo and...uh...Capcom...

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: Smash_Brother on July 14, 2006, 05:22:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
If I was Nintendo after sales of the Wii break records in Japan...I would negotiate for exclusive rights to Dragon Quest IX.  I would offer a buttload of money, and perhaps give SquareEnix the funding and right to create a new Zelda traditional RPG or something like that.


They're already having them make 3 on 3.

I wouldn't be surprised to see more collaborations in the future.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 14, 2006, 06:17:29 PM
Nintendo isn't making them make anything...It was SE's idea in the first place...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2006, 06:29:59 PM
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
i would pee myself if the earthbound rumor was true (well, if true and 100% confirmed that it was coming to the US)
I think the main point of the Earthbound bundle was to localize it and release it in the U.S.. I remember hearing that that is why NOA was hesitant to release EB3 here in the states for GBA, they want to kill off the GBA and push sales of the DS Lite instead. So here comes a rumor of a compilation...

& no one has anything to say about a Secret of Mana MMO?
I've never played an MMO but I have very fond memories of SoM & I would buy it just to try it out.

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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 14, 2006, 06:45:33 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I remember hearing that that is why NOA was hesitant to release EB3 here in the states for GBA, they want to kill off the GBA and push sales of the DS Lite instead.

Earthbound 3 doesn't exist...

Oh, and I hate MMORPGs with a passion so I doubt the Mana series will change my mind on the matter...I'd just like a traditional Mana game, thanks!
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Post by: Smash_Brother on July 15, 2006, 07:02:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion It was SE's idea in the first place...


It was?!?

Then that bodes even better for not only SE and Nintendo's future together but for the appearance of a FF character in SSBB.
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Post by: mantidor on July 15, 2006, 07:48:44 PM
I just hope nothing FF related ever touches Smash Bros.

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Post by: Smash_Brother on July 15, 2006, 07:57:04 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I just hope nothing FF related ever touches Smash Bros.


To be honest, I'm pretty neutral on FF characters in SSBB. If we saw one, it would have to have appeared on a Nintendo console previously so that rules out all of the "angst-filled teen" characters which have haunted FF7+.

That leaves the original FF games (including US FF3), Tactics, CC, and now FF3 (which will be out on the DS by the time SSBB is released.

Cloud will not be in SSBB (unless they release FF7 on the DS between now and when SSBB completes development, which ain't very likely) even though he's the most popular FF character to date.

If we did get one, I'd bet it would be a Moogle: they're the enduring symbol of FF and were born on Nintendo consoles. As long as it's not an angst-filled teen Moogle, I'd be fine with it.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 15, 2006, 08:55:45 PM
Hey I understand wanting to keep traditional Zelda games pure.  I get that.  But Hyrule and the world of Zelda is rich with history and lore...and I could see a traditional RPG made as an offshoot.  People would have never thought a Mario RPG would work...and Square Nintendo made it work...and it was beautiful.  Now we have a new franchise.

Why does everybody close their minds to new ideas about games and characters...if it doesn't take away from the original style games being created, then I say go for it.  

And as I said before, I think it would be an amazing trade.  You know how much money and how huge of a new franchise could be created with Square creating a traditional Zelda Japanese RPG.  Or hell, they could even make a Kingdom Hearts with Nintendo franchises instead of Disney.

If I deal like this would get us Dragon Quest exclusive, then I say it is worth the investment.

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Post by: Ceric on July 16, 2006, 05:15:46 AM
The thing with Zelda is your to close to the source with an RPG.  The closest thing Mario had to an RPG to date when Super Mario RPG happened was Mario 2.  Zelda on the other hand sort of falls in that category by lack of category.  Also, I'm going to post this in the SSBB thread as well, Miasm(sp?) level would rock.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 16, 2006, 07:53:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
The closest thing Mario had to an RPG to date when Super Mario RPG happened was Mario 2.
Shouldn't that be Super Mario World since they were both on the SNES or did you mean something else by Mario 2 other than SMB2?

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Post by: Ceric on July 16, 2006, 07:58:23 AM
SMB 2 had multiple unique characters to play.  A "party" if you will and characters that were never reused again in the series really.  (Like the mouse one who threw bombs)  It just feels the least like a "Traditional" Mario game then the other "Traditional" Mario games.  Especially at the time.
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Post by: The Omen on July 16, 2006, 08:53:31 AM
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& no one has anything to say about a Secret of Mana MMO?


I love SoM on the Snes, and would just about pre-order the MMO now if this were true.
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Post by: IceCold on July 16, 2006, 04:10:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
SMB 2 had multiple unique characters to play.  A "party" if you will and characters that were never reused again in the series really.  (Like the mouse one who threw bombs)  It just feels the least like a "Traditional" Mario game then the other "Traditional" Mario games.  Especially at the time.
Doki Doki Panic.
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Post by: Artimus on July 16, 2006, 05:10:49 PM
It's kind of funny that if Nintendo hadn't converted Doki Doki Panic we wouldn't have Shyguys, as they were Doki characters, not Mario characters. So thank goodness for bizarre import choices!
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Post by: Ceric on July 16, 2006, 06:25:40 PM
Doki Doki Panic Wikipedia Entry

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The popular gender confusion for Birdo (in US she was described as a male who thinks he is a girl in the manual), due to the perception that beating up a female was abhorent, but not a transexual.


lol

Finally the answer.  Birdo is a girl at least in Doki Doki Panic (I had to look up that bit of trivia.)
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Post by: EasyCure on July 16, 2006, 06:58:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I remember hearing that that is why NOA was hesitant to release EB3 here in the states for GBA, they want to kill off the GBA and push sales of the DS Lite instead.

Earthbound 3 doesn't exist...


sarcasm right?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 16, 2006, 07:01:45 PM
No, Earthbound 3 does NOT exist!

If Mother 3 is localized it will be Earthbound 2!
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Post by: EasyCure on July 16, 2006, 07:58:57 PM
fair enough.

i was under the impression you didnt know mother 3 ever saw the light of day... unless you didnt and were smart enough to save your ass ;-)
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Post by: Smash_Brother on July 16, 2006, 08:31:08 PM
Mother = Earthbound 0.

Deal.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 17, 2006, 05:29:21 AM
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
i was under the impression you didnt know mother 3 ever saw the light of day... unless you didnt and were smart enough to save your ass ;-)

That's almost insulting!  I'm the biggest Mother fan here!
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Post by: couchmonkey on July 17, 2006, 05:44:10 AM
You're the biggest everything fan here!
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 17, 2006, 07:23:35 AM
Nah, only Zelda, Golden Sun, and Mother...
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Post by: IceCold on July 17, 2006, 09:18:36 AM
Unfortunately, you couldn't earn the title for Jungle Beat..
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 17, 2006, 11:01:30 AM
Again, I can see arguement saying that Zelda is already an RPGish type game, so why rework it into just a different type of RPG.  And I would agree if you were doing a story about Link solo then to make an traditional turn based RPG instead of an action adventure RPG would be silly.

But, I think there is potentially a really great story inbetween Ocarnia of Time and Wind Waker, that doesn't involve Link.

Remember, there was a great war and no hero of time showed up.  Well what happened?  which heros tried to rise to the task to defend Hyrule?  This is an important story that could connect the stories and be really cool.

Personally, I would handle the story that the Sages from OoT came back to fight for Hyrule's future.  This would give you a great diverse party system, that all have connections to Link, and reasons to try to save the world.  It would be a game that could greatly expand the lore and mythos of Hyrule and Link.  Square would be perfect for a game like this...and I think we would be pretty stupid not to be excited about something like that.

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Post by: Ceric on July 17, 2006, 11:17:29 AM
That would be cool. As long as it involves no cards what-so-ever.  Square did something like this for Kingdom of Hearts and it turned out relatively unplayable for anyone who actually liked Kingdom of Hearts because of the stupid cards.  (Then again KH2 is not near as good as KH)
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Post by: EasyCure on July 17, 2006, 11:34:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
i was under the impression you didnt know mother 3 ever saw the light of day... unless you didnt and were smart enough to save your ass ;-)

That's almost insulting!  I'm the biggest Mother fan here!


then i apologize. im a huge EB fan as well, but i could car less about the name really. eb3, mother 3; its just the name. i just cant wait to play the third one already. that and finish the first one

and spak-spang  has, yet again, another brilliant idea.
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Post by: Requiem on July 17, 2006, 03:34:14 PM
I say Boo! to Spak and his idea...

I say Boo! to EasyCure for agreeing with him...

And lastly, I say Boo! to Bill for no reason at all...

Seriously, Spak -- do you really want to play with Sages? I admit that the story in between has a damn cool feel to it, but sages? Plus there's like 7 of them, which one would be the main character? Plus, I think TP is the story in between OOT and WW anyways.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 17, 2006, 03:55:57 PM
Req:

That was just my initial idea...we could design other characters to play as for the story.  I personally thought the Sages would be interesting.

1)You get to play as several different species from the Zelda realm.  This would allow you to design unique fighting styles, magics, and history for each species.

2)Each Sage has a connection to Link, and is a character Zelda fans are fimilar with.  So there is already emotional connection to the characters.

3)The Sages are an active interest in protecting the realm of Hyrule as it is now their reason of existance.  

4)The humor between the relationships of several of the Sages would make for some interesting dialogue and character relationships.  Sarai "What do you mean Link is betrothed to you."

5)Spring boarding off of OoT would help explain why a new hero of time never emerged.  The Hero jumped in and out of time screwing up the legacy of the hero of courage emerging.  (Just an intial thought and explaination.)

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Post by: EasyCure on July 17, 2006, 06:23:48 PM
i thought the same question about who the main character would be, Req, but i thought to myself "who is the most important of all of them?" and theres only one answer: Zelda

zelda is the leader of the sages because of her royal bloodline (and since she's in every frickin game with link...well almost) so it just makes sense she takes position as leader.

zelda is your all-around hero and can diguise herself as sheik for certain parts of the game. say for instance a land close to hyrule, but has no allegance(sp) with the king, and might be hostile to the royal family.

saria could be your healer

darunia is the power house character

nabooru is the theif character

so on and so forth.

... ok so maybe i run out of ideas really.... but who says impa, ruto and rauru have to be playable characters???  
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 17, 2006, 06:51:40 PM
Ah, but you wouldn't be playing Zelda you would be playing Shiek wouldn't you?  

Oh course you bring up another point...fleshing out the character of Zelda.  

Personally, I see a very interesting story here.  It is surrounded by a basic mystery.  Hyrule is at war with an new and unknown mysterious force, that is bringing all of Hyrule to its knees and forcing the kingdom to take sides in the battle.  The Sages are carefully watching over the land waiting for the Hero of Courage to once again remerge, and the battle for the tri-force once again play out.  Yet, no hero emerges, and it looks less likely that this has anything to do with the triforce at all.  The Sages must decide to take action or to continue to wait.  Taking action revokes their watcher/sage status over the realm of Hyrule, but allows them to directly interact with the world once again.  

A decision is made, and the journey begins.  Yet as this evil is uprooted another evil is just beginning to emerge, and with the Sages now vunerable and Hyrule in the grips of war...a play for the Tri-force is beginning again.  

That would be my basic one sheet of the game.

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Post by: EasyCure on July 17, 2006, 07:16:39 PM
plus it would be perfectly ok for a sage to die during this war since they, like the hero of legend, is awakened and summoned into their role when the time is right. think of that elf sage from WW. i havent played the game in awhile but im sure they implied he died in his temple (other than making him a transparent figure lol)
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Post by: Ceric on July 17, 2006, 07:31:13 PM
There you have it.  But I'm going to have to say the Hyrule is awfully small for a "traditional" style RPG.  They need to expand it.  Give it more area.
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Post by: Requiem on July 17, 2006, 07:38:29 PM
OOOOOHHHHhhhh

What if Link joined your party when you least expected it?

I mean, right at the end, right before the evil dude is about to kill you, Link jumps into the fray all pimped out and doing his thang.

He becomes a party member and helps you defeat old dude with some crazy-only-in-RPGs moves, like BLAAAOOW!
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Post by: EasyCure on July 17, 2006, 08:02:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
OOOOOHHHHhhhh

What if Link joined your party when you least expected it?

I mean, right at the end, right before the evil dude is about to kill you, Link jumps into the fray all pimped out and doing his thang.

He becomes a party member and helps you defeat old dude with some crazy-only-in-RPGs moves, like BLAAAOOW!


actually a suggestion i was going to make was that in a sort of "never saw it coming" finale, where you think all hope is lost and hryule will be destroyed (which it will, sorta). you find out that link is batteling evil (ganon) from another dimension (the one where ganon is imprisoned in) and theres a playable fight sequence where you can actually control link for the first time in the game. you cant really win the battle but you're holding off ganon long enough for the sages to defeat the evil that is destroying their realm and summon the flood from the gods that keeps ganon isolated in the 'frozen' hyrule we see in WW. the ending could be that ganon kills link and esapes from the realm he was improsoned in, only to find out he is improsoned still in the soon-to-be kingdom of legend.

i've been thinking alot of the rumors of link dying in TP and how it should be done if link was to die in a game. thats something i came up with

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/14/2006)
Post by: EasyCure on July 17, 2006, 08:11:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
There you have it.  But I'm going to have to say the Hyrule is awfully small for a "traditional" style RPG.  They need to expand it.  Give it more area.



i agree, but the areas that make up hyrule are homes to the different races whose leaders swore allegiance to the king of hyrule. instead of expanding hyrule, the game can simply explore brand new areas, with new races, whom have no ties to hryule. there could be a neighboring village that is nuetral or enemies of hyrule.

for example there could be a village of theives that loathe the king, so zelda disguises herself as sheik in that village, and loses some of her party. for instance, darunia might be well known as the leader of gorons who pledge allegiance to the king of hyrule so he wouldnt be welcomed, but nabooru who is from a tribe of theives as well would not be a threat to such a village.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/14/2006)
Post by: ruby_onix on July 17, 2006, 08:26:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Mother = Earthbound 0.

Deal.

That's it's fan-given name.

Mother = Earthbound.
Mother 2 = Earthbound.
Mother 3 = N/A
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/14/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 18, 2006, 04:47:29 AM
In my story Ganondorf has learned not to underestimate his opponents.  He is using his power and some of his allies to pull the Triforce out of possessing the Hero of Courage.  

At a critical moment near the final of the game, Shiek must decide whether she will reveal whom she is and use her true power.  It would be during a boss battle, and the entire party will be dead but her, and you will for the first time get to use a new magic attack that will totally kick ass...however, once that is unleashed Ganondorf will know who the Sage is and act 2 of the story will began to hunt her down.  

At this point in time, he already has the triforce of courage.  So basically, you wouldn't have to bring Link into the game at all.  

The ending of this story wouldn't be a traditional happy ending, because Ganondorf must win.  However, in the last battle it is the Sages that sink Hyrule underwater and protect it from Ganondorf's evil.  In this way, the world doesn't have to turn dark.

With Ganondorf free in this new world, the uncertainty of the legend becames a reality even for him.  Will there ever be another Hero of Courage after he pulled it out of the past Link? How about another Zelda with the triforce of courage?  He rules the islands of Wind Waker, yet he doesn't rule the world he loves.

 
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/14/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 18, 2006, 04:59:06 AM
Uh... what are we talking about in here? well anyway I didn't want to make a new thread about this so I just stick it here since its unconfirmed any way:

Nintendo to unveil NEW games @ Liepzig Games Convention
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According to Nintendo: The Official Magazine (a European publication, to be sure), the August Games Convention 2006, held from August 24th to the 27th, will showcase several previously unannounced Wii titles.

I wonder whats gonna be shown.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/14/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 18, 2006, 06:01:09 AM
BlackNMild:  Yes...Technically you are in the right thread.  Rumors and such.

I wonder what they will be.

Perhaps more variations in Wii Sports?  This rumored WiiParty game?  I dunno.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/14/2006)
Post by: SixthAngel on July 18, 2006, 06:19:20 AM
Are there any games that are typically huge in Germany?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/14/2006)
Post by: Louieturkey on July 18, 2006, 03:29:13 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
Are there any games that are typically huge in Germany?


The David Hasselhoff Sing-a-long game is quite popular.  They must be revealing a Wii version of a David Hasselhoff game of some sort.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/14/2006)
Post by: KDR_11k on July 19, 2006, 06:58:14 AM
"Aufbau strategie" (construction strategy? Stuff like Settlers and Anno 1602.) was a pretty popular genre last I checked, as are football manager sims but mostly it's the same as all other countries.

The good part of the GC is that it's not too far from my home so I could visit it.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/14/2006)
Post by: IceCold on July 19, 2006, 10:07:57 PM
You went last year, right?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 25, 2006, 02:17:35 PM
source: 2amUpdate.com
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Originally posted on Nintendo.com forums
-First off let me say that the full scope of the Wii controller details has yet to be revealed by PixArt and Nintendo. Although I cannot elaborate any further let me say that the Nintendo should show that the movement in 3D space will allow experiences outside of just the TV screen. And its not 3D projection related.

-The official launch date has yet to be set in stone but will indeed launch before Sony’s PS3.

-Ironically enough, the first game that will be shown to the public that demonstrates the full scope of Wii controller potential will be Dragonball Z Budokai 4.

-When Nintendo first showed the controller at Tokyo Game Show late 2005 they were very hesitant to show it full usage. I will allow one more clue to my finding that the Wii controller can function exactly as we all have seen demonstrated WITHOUT the sensor bar. So ask yourselves, why need a sensor bar?

-The sensor bar was in all actuality in no use at E3 2006. What is will allow hasn’t been shown yet.

-According to people who are working close to everyday events at Nintendo R&D, Nintendo Wii specifications were far and away developed solely for that machine.

-IBM and ATI have been working on Broadway and Hollywood for quite some time now. And according to many people Wii’s specs could go up or down at this point in the CPU/VPU departments. Apparently Nintendo has spent quite a lot of money having IBM and ATI fabricate many iterations of Broadway and Hollywood. Which range from a 3.4GHz-730MHz Broadway CPUs, and 1.2GHz-553MHz custom ATI/Nintendo Hollywood VPU. From what we hear Hollywood is key to the Wii’s power. The architecture is all about eliminating bottlenecks and maximizing performance, upgrade of the CPU with the slight downgrade of the graphics processor compliments this philosophy, striking a great balance for Wii. However, it was also indicated that since Hollywood is a truly extreme “Flipper II” and Broadway is a massively upgraded “Gekko II” at least in architecture. That early on Nintendo R&D took a good look at what GameCube did good and what it could have done better. It was mentioned that GameCube’s Flipper was an extremely powerful chip far more capable than even the Xbox’s. The Gekko design meant for balance, though was not able to support but about 50% of the ArtX’s Flipper’s power. This particular bottleneck has been ironed out allowing Broadway to fully complement Hollywood to its maximum potential and vise-versa. The initial estimates we got concerning final hardware spec was Broadway at around 1.5GHz and Hollywood at 555MHz.

-There is also word that Nintendo in private sessions has big plans for the Wii headset. Talk is, that Nintendo wants to lean away from having the headset only for online capability. They are wanting to go further. Having the headset of course include a microphone for use in games is a given. But there was also talk of a late to launch release of this “gyroscopic headset” that would be supported by the sensor bar as well. To sum up the theory we were privy to. The headset would be somewhat sensitive to movement that could be translated into the game. Such as if you get up and move to the right of your television something might correspond for that in the game. Such as dodging things, looking around corners etc. It was also mentioned that it might have a unique look and non-obstructive lightweight design.

-Our latest discovery concerning Wii software is that developer Nibris (Raid Over the River, Sadness) has received Wii development kits and has partnered with publisher Majesco.
hmmmm....... true reason of the sensor bar yet to be revealed? I will withold thoughts on these rumors until I get home from work later.

Quick Summary
-Wii controller still has a secret(movement in 3-d space not presented on TV) DBZ: Budokai 4 1syt to take full advantage
-True use for the sensor bar has yet to be revealed
-Wii could be more powerful than we have been led to believe(Broadway 1.5ghz & Hollywood 555mhz)
-Gyroscope headset to be released post launch(used for more than online chat<obviously>)
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Cap on July 25, 2006, 02:30:41 PM
the idea of using the headset in gameplay is a great one, and one that i really have no doubt that nintendo is proabaly looking into(not that i ever thought of it before reading of the idea here). the sensor bar still seems to me like it would HAVE to be there for the pointer aspect of the wii controller to function, but i dont claim to have much technical knowledge..... so saying that i wont comment on the specs part of that post.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 25, 2006, 02:55:40 PM
The Wiimote cannot tell how far it is from the TV screen unless it has the sensor bar and is capable of "seeing" the two LEDs, so I think it's safe to say that this is indeed its function (whether it has any others is anyone's guess).

The camera in the top of the Wiimote (confirmed by Nintendo) uses the two LEDs as a point of reference so it knows when the player moves the Wiimote closer or further from the TV because the camera sees the distance between the LEDs changing. When they get further apart, it knows the Wiimote has been moved closer. When they get closer together, the Wiimote has been pulled back.

The accelerometer cannot determine where it is, only that it's being moved around. Any game which needs to aim at the screen is going to need the sensor bar to work.

Don't trust these rumors at all...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Ceric on July 25, 2006, 03:20:51 PM
Playing devils advocate here.  The Wii could time the delay and strength of the signal from the WiiMote to gauge how for it is from the Wii itself.  The accelormeters could deal with movement.

Now that being said I still think that Smash is right.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 25, 2006, 03:31:33 PM
Im not surprised about the headset.  The first time they mentioned sword fighting i figured we would need something like this to do it properly.

If they didnt have anything like this it would just be standing up straight swinging a sword. Not very real. Mabye buttons for ducking but that would feel wrong in my opinion.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Requiem on July 25, 2006, 07:16:15 PM
There is most definitely going to be a headset, just not one with gyroscope functionality.

The whole concept of a gyroscope in a headset is flawed. How are you going to turn your head and still be able to see the TV? Unless the headset is used for really subtle things (such as leaning right to look around a corner), it's not very useful. And even if it were used for the subtle things, the wiimote can already mimmick those actions. So again, it makes it completely useless.

With that said, I really wish they make a headset for gaming and the like. I would really like to be able to call my friends through the Wii and setup a game while conversating. That to me is the ultimate long distance multiplayer experience.

I mean seriously, we all can agree that multiplayer is only good if there is a good amount of interaction between the players (even if it's only before and after the game).
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 25, 2006, 07:52:22 PM
I don't think we'll see a headset this gen because it runs counter to everything Nintendo has said so far about making gaming less scary and more appealing to a broader audience. You think a controller is scary? Try a helmet with wires coming out of it. See if you can get grandpa to put THAT thing on.

Besides, what is Nintendo going to do NEXT gen when Sony and MS have BOTH ripped off the Wiimote if they play all their innovation cards right now?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 25, 2006, 07:57:24 PM
don't patents last for about 10 or so years?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Requiem on July 26, 2006, 06:15:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I don't think we'll see a headset this gen because it runs counter to everything Nintendo has said so far about making gaming less scary and more appealing to a broader audience. You think a controller is scary? Try a helmet with wires coming out of it. See if you can get grandpa to put THAT thing on.

Besides, what is Nintendo going to do NEXT gen when Sony and MS have BOTH ripped off the Wiimote if they play all their innovation cards right now?


Oh that's for damn sure.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2006, 07:04:30 AM
If it's you bread and butter, like Coke and Disney, you can get it to last for 50 years.  Hi-Tech I'm sure has different rules but Disney is trying to find a way to keep Mickey off of public domain.  Coke changes it's formula and the like.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: KDR_11k on July 26, 2006, 07:15:27 AM
Disney extends copyright, not patents. Coke uses trade secrets instead of patents. Patents last 20 years from filing or 17 from issuing.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 26, 2006, 07:17:30 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
don't patents last for about 10 or so years?


They'll wiggle around them.

MS and Sony are skilled at ripping off their competition and repackaging it as their own. It's how they survive at all.

I'd love to think that Nintendo's patents could defend the virtue of the Wiimote, but I've seen the rip-off happen so many times that I'm just not that optimistic.

Though, if Nintendo captures the market this gen, they'll very likely do so again next gen so long as they don't completely goof up their chances like Sony is doing right now.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Ceric on July 26, 2006, 07:27:28 AM
KDR Your brilliant.  The Wiimote can be a trade secret.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: ShyGuy on July 26, 2006, 07:55:37 AM
A secret blend of 11 herbs and spices makes the Wiimote delicious
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 27, 2006, 05:40:44 AM
I think the DS release dates hidden Wii launch information should be placed in here for rumor.

I think we have all heard about this hidden message...so the question is does the message exist.  And even if it doesn't exist there is more fuel for an October release as early as October 2nd...with even Matt from IGN jumping on board with his blog.

So what are your thoughts is it plausible for the Wii to release in October?  How early in October?

Matt brought up the comparison to Apple, and it seems logical.  Though I would like to add that Nintendo won't be at TGS...not even speaking.  So that September Wii announcement is probably going to be BEFORE the TGS, which would give Nintendo hype to destroy the PS3 TGS information.  Specially, if a nice release date is in October.

Nintendo has said numerious times it is better to have just a month of commercials and hype to build up to launch.

What do you guys think?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 27, 2006, 08:20:46 AM
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The fourth quarter of 2006 will herald a new era for Nintendo with the launch of its remarkable new Wii™ home video game system. But that's not what this news item is about! How could that be, you ask? Perhaps the secret to the launch information for Wii is somehow encoded in the text of this news item. You might want to pore over it for a few hours before staying up all night to debate phraseology and comma placement with your friends online. Or maybe it's all just a scam to get you to read the other games we have launching this fall. One of the two.

As the weather cools down, the Nintendo portable game offerings heat up. FINAL FANTASY® V ADVANCE makes its way to Game Boy® Advance SP on Nov. 6. As series go, FINAL FANTASY is to video games what James Bond is to movies. FINAL FANTASY loyalists will enjoy an opportunity to debate which installment was best.

Nintendo DS™ owners are the big winners. Every week or so, another huge DS title hits, from the Touch Generations title Clubhouse Games™ to fan favorites like Elite Beat Agents™ and Yoshi's Island™ 2. Clearly a gamer's idea of paradise, here is Nintendo's upcoming DS lineup:

Oct. 2: Wii could release here
Oct. 9: Clubhouse Games™
Oct. 16: Nintendogs™ (Dalmatian)
Oct. 23: Magical Starsign™
Oct. 30: Pokemon® Ranger
Oct. 30: Children of Mana®
Nov. 6: Elite Beat Agents™
Nov. 13: Yoshi's Island™ 2
Nov. 20: Wii won't release after PS3
Nov. 27: This is waaay too late for Wii to release
Dec. 4: Custom Robo™ Arena
Dec. 4: Kirby™ Squeak Squad

And, for Nintendo GameCube™ owners, The Legend of Zelda®: Twilight Princess will be available for you this fall. An enhanced version also will be a launch title for Wii. That will all happen on ... Oh look, we're out of space.

I've seen all kinds of speculation, but the one I like the most is the one that takes the last sentence and twist it into meaning that Nintendo is going to have a Spaceworld this year.

also this one: Wii = WII = VVII when looked at as Roman numerals = 5 + 5 & 1 + 1 =  10 & 2 = 10/2 = October 2nd
Which means Wii will launch on October 2nd.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 27, 2006, 11:21:01 AM
Oct. 2nd would absolutely rule for a Wii launch. I'm not holding my breath, but it would RULE.

It would be absolutely too perfect, and while I kind of expect Nintendo to botch it and release it in the shadow of the PS3 or something, they've done so much else right recently that I can't help but consider it a possibility.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 27, 2006, 12:03:08 PM
Well, Nintendo could easily talk to developers and launch in October with 3-4 of their first party games ready, and tell 3rd parties that if they can get their games ready, that October would be great.

But if they want more time,

We will be launching new games around November and have a huge media campaign then, and they would love their games to be apart of it.  (Read free advertising, and launch hype still before PS3.)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Ceric on July 27, 2006, 12:32:12 PM
The two wave approach would be great for us here.  It really consider how close the games that are really launch titles are.  Bluntly how far is Red Steel.  That game needs to launch with the system.  Same with TP.  Everything else if its out by Nov 17 then their good.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 27, 2006, 02:08:30 PM
Basically here is how I see the two wave system.  Launching the system in October, and then having a second release of big games by Nintendo and 3rd parties in November would break down.

1)Wii officially releases early to mid-October with a launch lineup of:

Zelda Twilight Princess
Wii Sports
Metroid Prime Corruption
Red Steel
Madden 2006
Super Monkey Ball


Then around November (I would say a week before Sony launchs the PS3...so that people may not have the money to spend for one.)

Nintendo releases:

Excite Truck
Wario Ware Smooth Moves
Project Hammer

Third Parties release other games that are ready.

Basically, what you are getting is a Nintendo launch with a traditional Nintendo franchise, a Non-gamer game, and another traditional game.  Then Nintendo releases another list of big games throwing at us another Non-Gamer game, and two traditional games, with huge third party support.

Now, the best part about this plan is that Nintendo has a huge head start, and basically two buying periods.  October, and November...each buying period is supported by huge games, that may help them capture huge money on both periods.

But that is not all.

That would allow, a certain Mario game to possibly be positioned for a nice DECEMBER launch.  2-3 months after system launch is what was quoted.

So Super Mario Galaxy could help secure final holiday shoppers.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 27, 2006, 03:23:03 PM
I'll take my Wii as soon as possible. I'd buy it with no games, even.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Ceric on July 27, 2006, 04:43:39 PM
*Wii comes tomorrow , so does ~$1200+ Devkit cost*

With Spak-Spang except switch MP and Excite Truck around.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 27, 2006, 05:21:37 PM
I doubt Project HAMMER is that far enough along to release in the launch window...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Mario on July 27, 2006, 06:40:10 PM
Out of space could hint at Mario Galaxy making launch.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on July 27, 2006, 07:18:57 PM
Ha, when Nintendo started suggesting overanalysis, I thought Wii = V V i i = 10/2.

Personally, I think it'll happen sometime in October, but some features won't make it in time or won't get going till later. VC, for example, will be extremely limited. The de-emphasis of online is also a bit telling. The games'll all be done I'm sure. Two waves - launch time and the week before Thanksgiving, to combat the PS3.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 27, 2006, 07:30:26 PM
Sega to develop Ready to Rumble 3 exclusively for the Wii? <--- Its in French

Juex-france says they have sources that say it is so. Sega seems like they are really behind the Wii this time. If this turns out to be true, I wonder what other games Sega might be bringing ove to the Wii(exclusively).
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Requiem on July 27, 2006, 08:13:51 PM
Hopefully Sega does this game right. A solid boxing sim would sell faster than virgin prostitutes...



well, maybe.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: IceCold on July 27, 2006, 08:27:18 PM
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I wonder what other games Sega might be bringing ove to the Wii(exclusively).
I expect NiGHTS, Panzer Dragoon, a couple of lightgun games and a couple of racing games.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Ceric on July 28, 2006, 05:27:51 AM
Saturn games aren't going to come initially.  We should all know that now.  The technology was complex and will take more effort to emulate.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 28, 2006, 07:23:03 AM
Didn't Sega make Vectorman? I wonder if he will be getting a sequal on a next-gen system at any point.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Donutt007 on July 28, 2006, 08:20:29 AM
Vectorman was made by Sega and Bluesky Software. Never played it, always wanted to.

Vectorman
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on July 28, 2006, 10:03:06 AM
Wii might be playable on the Nintendo Fusion tour, according to IGN... the tour runs until Nov. 11, which makes me wonder: will the Wii come out during the tour, or immediately following? I know the tour wouldn't determine the release date, but still....
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 28, 2006, 10:14:23 AM
Ceric:  I think he was implying new versions of those games...not the Saturn games.  

A think Panzer Dragoon series is a perfect fit for the Wii.  

Nights as well for different reasons.

Actually, the Wii seems to fit perfectly with Sega's more original and crazy creations.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 28, 2006, 10:45:46 AM
Sonic Wild Fire's director said he'd like to make an all-new IP for Wii after he's done with the game, so that's a start...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Ceric on July 28, 2006, 11:20:56 AM
Wasn't it already said that NiGHTs is probably never going to be redone because the creator thinks it can't be improved on.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 28, 2006, 12:17:07 PM
Ceric:  No I believe he stated that he wasn't going to make another Nights game, unless a new control system that could actually improve the game could be created.

With a statement like that, and how unique the Wii controller was...everyone just jumped on the rumor that the Wiipointer was that new controller, and Nights would now have to be made.

Personally, I believe Nights is one of the most OVERrated, and UNDERrated games of all time.  There are people that over play the greatness of that game...and their are people that ignore the game all together.  I would like to give it another try...but it really bored me the first time I played it.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/25/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 31, 2006, 07:35:11 PM
Time to refill those salt containers, cause I don't think you have enough salt for this one...

Official Nintendo docs leaked to reveal Wii specs?

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The Wii Hardware

- Nintendo Wii’s ‘Broadway’ CPU operates at 729MHZ with a maximum bandwith of 1.9gbyte/sec.
- Nintendo Wii’s ‘HollyWood’ GPU is clocked at 243MHZ, the internal memory of it includes 3mb of embedded graphics memory and 24megabytes of high speed main memory.
- 64megabytes of GDDR3 (MEM2) as the external main memory. Just like the internal memory, it can be accessed from the CPU and GPU with a maximum bandwidth of 4gbytes/sec and can also store programs in the MEM2.
- The GPU of the Wii is identical to the GC’s but it is on average 1.5X faster.

Wii's Optical Disc Drive

- Opitcal Disc Drive (ODD) supports single and dual layer Wii disks, discs eject with software or button and the maximum read speed is the equivalent of DVDx6.
- Two main disc types supported the single sided 12cm single sided 4.7gb and the double sided 8.51 GB. Nintendo GC discs also supported. Some of the capacity of the discs are used by the system and games can not use full disc space.
- Inserting a disc will start the Wii console, even if it was already in an off state. Pressing the eject button will change the console to an on state to take out the disc also.

General Overview

- An optional wired LAN adapter that connects to a USB port is in the pipeline for users who do not possess a wireless LAN set-up currently.
- Internal non-removable 512MB flash memory used to storage game save data and downloadable content thus eliminating the need for a memory card.
- Both Wii discs and Gamecube discs can be played via an intelligent mode swap. When running in GC mode, the Wii’s CPU and GPU will lower to the respective speeds of the GC and some of the MEM2 functions as ARAM.
- Software development environment is an upgrade to the ‘Dolphin SDK’ used with the GC; the same libraries are used so developers can get up to scratch easily as well as the possibility of ports being easier.
- The following interfaces are included with the Wii; SD card slot, Wireless controller, two USB 2.0 ports, wireless LAN, 4x GC controller ports, 2x GC memory card slots and an AV multi output jack (only an analog jack).
- Supports Wii disks (one sided 12cm) and GC discs (one sided 8cm) and console auto switches depends on what disk is inserted
- More than just the Nunchaku is planned as an extension. GC peripherals such as DK bongos can be used in both Wii and GC modes.
- Three power status, on, off and unplugged. To prevent mistaken turn offs, the power button must be held for about a second.

The Wii Control System

- The Wii controller features; Direct Pointing Device, Three axis accelerometer, Wii power button (remotely turn console on/off), buttons, wireless connectivity, indicator LED’s, rumble, battery powered (two AA alkaline batteries) and ability to connect extension unit.
- The Wii controller supports three types of operations; by itself, with a nunchuk extension or with a classic controller. Classic controllers will ship to developers during August 2006.
- The SYNCHRO button on the Wii controller exchanges wireless ID numbers when pressed at the same time as SYNCRHO on the Wii console. Wireless communications are only possible with consoles which have been authenticated.
- The rumble motor can be turned on and off and the intensity can be changed.
- The Wii remote has a pointer for fine movements as well as a motion Sensor +/- 3.4G suitable for larger body movements, the nunchuk attachment has a Sensor of +/- 2G
- The sensor bar must be placed above or below a TV set, the pointer measures coordinates between the ends of the bar which are about 20cm apart.
- The Wii remote has four status, disconnected, communicating, establishing connection and pairing wait status.
- The pointer can measure co-ordinates within bounds of rectangle centered upon the sensor bar, thus it can also measure points beyond the screen. It also responds to strong light sources, windows, fluorescent lamps, fireplaces, mirrors etc.
- Due to players hands shaking while holding the controller, a ring buffer allows a precise direction to be created to hold and average accelerator samples.

*UPDATE* The dev mailed us and said he was shocked to see all these cries of 'fake', so he provided some more info to show he's not bluffing...

Broadway CPU

Broadway is Wii's CPU. Broadway functionality and specifications are as follows.

• Operating speed: 729 MHz
• Bus to main memory: 243 MHz, 64 bits (maximum bandwidth: 1.9 gigabytes/sec)
• 32-kilobyte 8-way set-associative L1 instruction cache
• 32-kilobyte 8-way set-associative L1 data cache (can set up 16-kilobyte data scratch pad)
• Superscalar microprocessor with six execution units (floating-point unit, branching unit, system regis
ter unit, load/store unit, two integer units)
• DMA unit (15-entry DMA request queue) used by 16-kilobyte data scratch pad
• Write-gather buffer for writing graphics command lists to the graphics chip
• Onboard 256-kilobyte 2-way set-associative L2 integrated cache
• Two, 32-bit integer units (IU)
• One floating point unit (FPU) (supports single precision (32-bit) and double precision (64-bit))
• The FPU supports paired single floating point (FP/PS)
• The FPU supports paired single multiply add (ps_madd). Most FP/PS instructions can be issued in
each cycle and completed in three cycles.
• Fixed-point to floating-point conversion can be performed at the same time as FPU register load and
store, with no loss in performance.
• The branch unit supports static branch prediction and dynamic branch prediction.
• When an instruction is stalled on data, the next instruction can be issued and executed. All instructions
maintain program logic and will complete in the correct program order.
• Supports three L2 cache fetch modes: 32-Byte, 64-Byte, and 128-Byte.
• Supports these bus pipeline depth levels: level 2, level 3, and level 4.
Reference Information: Broadway is upward compatible with Nintendo GameCube’s CPU (Gekko).

Hollywood GPU

Hollywood is a system LSI composed of a GPU and internal main memory (MEM1). Hollywood is clocked at 243 MHz. Its internal memory consists of 3 megabytes of embedded graphics memory and 24 megabytes of high speed main memory.

Hollywood includes the following.
• Graphics processing unit (with 3 megabytes of eDRAM)
• Audio DSP
• I/O Bridge
• 24 megabytes of internal main memory
• Internal main memory operates at 486 MHz.
Maximum bandwidth between Hollywood and internal main memory: 3.9 gigabytes per second
• Possible to locate a program here
Reference Information: Hollywood is similar to Nintendo GameCube’s Flipper and Splash components.

External Main Memory (MEM2)

Wii uses 64 megabytes of GDDR3 (MEM2) as external main memory. Like internal main memory, MEM2 can be accessed directly from Broadway and the GPU at high speed and has a peak bandwidth of 4 gigabytes/sec. Programs can also be placed in MEM2.

Reference Information: Nintendo GameCube ARAM is used as auxiliary memory for the DSP. The CPU and GPU did not have direct access to it.

Source - MaxConsole.com


I'm no techie or nothing, but this just seems like a collection of most of the stuff we already heard. I personally believe that the Wii will be a little more powerful than this (still looking for the 1+ghz cpu and a 4-500mhz gpu) and I hope that that is something Nintendo does prove at Liepzig, especially with a speech titled "Wii will prove our promise" lined up for the opening of GC in Leipzig in August.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 01, 2006, 05:24:43 AM
Yeah.  But at least it's not to unreasonable.  The Gamecube thing is an interesting concept.   To actually throttle back the processor to make sure it's compatible.  I wonder if there be an energy savings?  Also sounds like a big place for problems.  A Wii getting stuck in Cube mode.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 01, 2006, 07:47:59 AM
heh, interesting....

I wonder, since this claims it's underclockable, if it'll be Overclockable......

oh, since this specs seem very much like those IGN had, I'm assuming these might not be final....
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 01, 2006, 08:09:39 AM
There have been other rumors that they have at the minimum upped the ram since E3, no exact #'s but the people that are "supposedly" in the know say that these specs seem to be from the same time as when IGN supposedly got ahold of the spec sheet, and these specs are not accurate.
Whos telling the truth? I gues we'll just have to wait until the Wii is released to be 100% sure since I know someone will open theirs up and do some sort of benchmarking on it.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: Kairon on August 01, 2006, 08:25:23 AM
What is this GDDR3 RAM?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: Nephilim on August 01, 2006, 08:35:18 AM
gdd3 is a cooler version of ddr2
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: Kairon on August 01, 2006, 08:38:21 AM
Why not 1T-SRAM?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: ToothpicksL on August 01, 2006, 12:38:40 PM
This site states that 1T-SRAM will be used, as well as some other sites.  So credibility is not certain..
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: Jensen on August 01, 2006, 03:21:53 PM
Only some minor new stuff revealed, and it is all fairly obvious.  He accurately described how the WiiMote will work, which most people don't seem to understand  (including the people who answer the mailbag at this site)  That alone makes me believe him.

Even if this isn't really from a developer, it is accurate to what we have heard so far, and he understands how everything works.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 01, 2006, 05:54:18 PM
Wii uses electricity and fancy tiny parts that are extremely efficient and cost effective.  Bad consumer technology involves making bigger, noisier, more expensive machines.  Good consumer technology is about compact, dollar-friendly, and being packed with effective features that are accessible without strings attached that say "i hope you have a new very expensive ____ to take full advantage of it!  are you sure mommy can get you that for Xmas?"
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on August 01, 2006, 06:44:57 PM
Get over specs guys.  You knew they would be low from the start.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 01, 2006, 09:26:13 PM
NO.

YOUUUUU reveal PGC's new NAME!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 7/31/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2006, 07:59:39 PM
Quote

source

Apparently, the latest issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly features the following rumors: One, that a Luigi's Mansion game is already in development for Wii, and two, that some Virtual Console games may be bundled with new games.

The Virtual Console games being bundled with New Games is something that has been specualted on here a long while ago. I also think thats what Sony should have done with UMD's, bundle them with their DVD counterparts at a slightly higher price, but thats a whole 'nother subject.

As for Luigi's Mansion, I never played the first, but I remember seeing it played, and I think it would be a perfect fir for the Wii and its mote controller.
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Quote

Originally posted by: IGN.com

August 4, 2006 - Sources close to Nintendo of Europe tell IGN that the company is underway with a sequel to the hit GameCube sports title Super Mario Strikers. Furthermore, insiders allege that the title could be unveiled later this month at the Games Convention 2006 in Leipzig, Germany.

Since its release in the states last December, Super Mario Strikers has sold more than 500,000 copies, effectively making it a sleeper hit and likewise a prime candidate for a Wii sequel.

No details about the Wii version are yet available, but as with most Wii titles, it is very likely to take advantage of Nintendo's unique new controller in some fashion.


As with the rumor above this one, I've never played the original, but the more the merrier.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/08/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 10, 2006, 09:05:47 AM
I actually think Soccer could be done really well with the WiiPointer.

The Pointer would be used to flick passes and shots on goal.  Holding A and flicking the Pointer will do a Pass, and Holding B will do a shot on goal.  Perhaps the D-Pad can be used for special moves like Bicycle kicks, headbutts, and such.

It could be super fun.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/08/2006)
Post by: Requiem on August 10, 2006, 09:19:49 AM
I don't know...

You can't really make Super Mario Strikers control any better. It's so simple and intuitive now that any changes would seem to be an attempt to fix something that ain't broken.

Plus, the Wiimote is perfect for arm and wrist gestures...none of which are used in the game soccer (except by the goalie).
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/08/2006)
Post by: ShyGuy on August 10, 2006, 10:21:40 AM
2 words: leg strap.

It's the top secret new Wiimote attachment! Megaton!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/08/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 11, 2006, 07:49:48 PM
More news from an IGN podcast, but how reliable are they?

IGN Wii-k N review...  <--*Warning* extremely boring podcast.

- Possible delay for Metroid Prime 3
- Star Wars Wii a go
- Dragon Quest Swords probably not going to make launch, probably more info at TGS
- THQ Wii exclusive event next Tuesday

I hope Lucas Arts makes something akin to Jedi Knight for the Wii.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/08/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 11, 2006, 08:00:09 PM
Quote

- Possible delay for Metroid Prime 3 (Not Surprised considering that around here its not even really talked about.  I personally put it back into the oven and release it later.)
- Star Wars Wii a go (Not Surprised, every fan wants it and it would print money)
- Dragon Quest Swords probably not going to make launch, probably more info at TGS (Not to Surprised on this, I mean it's Square and considering we haven't really seen much except the barest of bare I think they'll take there time.)
- THQ Wii exclusive event next Tuesday (This is a little interesting)


I'm actually hoping that MP3 goes back in the oven for a little bit on this one.  Why you asked?  Just as Zelda and Mario can't really coexist in the same Quarter.  It be worse with Metroid and Zelda.  There are going for a much similar demographic.  Most people who care about Zelda probably like Metroid in some way and vice versa.  Mario on the other hand is less specialize and more general.  I don't think launching Zelda and MP at the same time was a good idea anyways.  Sort of like I wouldn't do SSBB and MP together either.  No I think this one should come later.  If Zelda would have released when it was suppose to I would say otherwise.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: mantidor on August 11, 2006, 08:35:31 PM
Ive always said that Corruption didn't give me a good vibe, it felt very unfinished, I have no concerns if they delay it.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 11, 2006, 11:28:20 PM
the launch is falling apart already.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 12, 2006, 04:55:11 AM
It's the end of the world as we know, its the end of the world and I know it but I feel Fine...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Strell on August 12, 2006, 06:13:10 AM
That's ok.

We still get Avatar at launch.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: ShyGuy on August 12, 2006, 07:17:19 AM
We still get your Loli golf Pro!

I say delay a few titles, this launch is getting crowded.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 12, 2006, 07:32:40 AM
If Corruption is delayed.  I am willing to bet its so it can get online play.  We saw a demo at E3 which probably wasn't the final build they had...and its been worked on for awhile since then.  It should be infinitely better.  We aren't talking about it, because we don't have any more information, and we all know what Metroid Prime is, and plays like.

Personally, I thought Metroid: Corruption would have been the perfect exclusive game to release multiplayer online madiness, since Brawl won't be out for some time.

The only other option is that Nintendo is gracifully backing Metroid Corruption back to give the 3rd party FPS more attention at launch.  This would be a good strategy for 3rd party relations, and would allow Metroid to be released in the summer where gaming droughts might exist.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Darkheart on August 12, 2006, 08:34:36 AM
Quote

We still get your Loli golf Pro!


I thought that was a Japanese only title, they are considering it to come to the U.S. but last I heard it was not even confirmed for a Stateside release.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Kairon on August 12, 2006, 11:07:30 AM
Hmm... after some thought, I'm not too affected with the possibility of MP3 getting delayed.

Not only is this good news for third-parties (Ubisoft especially), but it allows for a better game in the end.

Now, the question would be whether they put in online play, or just make a better offline game that releases in December or whatnot. I get the sense that if they wanted online play, it'd take them 'till February at the earliest because they'd have to create new levels, import new code, work out the kinks in the virgin network, and force MP's single player design into a multiplayer environment.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 12, 2006, 11:41:03 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: darkheart
Quote

We still get your Loli golf Pro!


I thought that was a Japanese only title, they are considering it to come to the U.S. but last I heard it was not even confirmed for a Stateside release.

Considering they put out an English trailer for the game at E3, they sure as hell better be bringing it over...(Plus it's on EBGames release lists)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 12, 2006, 11:41:42 AM
Co-op campaign.  That would be an interesting edition to the Metriod Series.  Especially since it's very go it alone.  They could do co-op in a way were you might never see you partner until the end.  Interesting indeed.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: The Omen on August 12, 2006, 01:45:37 PM
Quote

Most people who care about Zelda probably like Metroid in some way and vice versa.


And they would buy both without hesitation.  

Look, I have no problem with Nintendo spacing out titles, as it is their right.  But for fans of the games to worry about having too many interesting games to choose from...well that's just absurd.  I would love to buy both Metroid and Zelda on launch day.  Doesn't mean I have to buy them both, but I would like to have the option.  I understand delaying games from a business standpoint, though I think the rationale behind the idea is overstated-both of those games would sell through the roof simultaneously.  What I don't understand is this idea coming from the fan perspective.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: stevey on August 12, 2006, 06:21:19 PM
I happy for the metroid delay, after zelda come out I wont be playing any other games for a looooooong time.

"If Corruption is delayed. I am willing to bet its so it can get online play."

I'll take you up on that bet, Retro all ready said they wont have online plan on release but might have it as a download for later.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 12, 2006, 06:49:42 PM
Stevey:  They also said it would be a launch game.  So if they were already planning the download...why not take the delay and incorporate it into the final product.

It makes more sense...and makes the product a more complete package.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Aussiedude on August 13, 2006, 12:30:27 PM
Nintendo to install "count down clocks" in Virgin UK stores today?




link
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: JonLeung on August 13, 2006, 01:39:35 PM
That's a cool title to have.  "Head Of Games".  I want something spiify like that to go along with my name!

It's still the 13th here, but I guess most of the world is ahead of Mountain Time Zone, overseas probably being early tomorrow morning already.

I think I heard that a possible European date was leaked already, and/or an Australian one.  It's North America that's still in the dark.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/11/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 13, 2006, 01:45:09 PM
Wait a minute... If those we're leaked then why don't we know... (Donutt007 then uses his superb information skills and links someplacing telling it.)
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 13, 2006, 03:50:49 PM
When did Europe become more important than America?
They get the Black DSL even before Japan
and now they get in-store promotions and leaked release dates?

Do us Americans mean anything to Nintendo anymore?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: Strell on August 13, 2006, 04:12:46 PM
The general idea is that America is such a large and profitable market, that NOA can essentially bypass super cool promotions and extra system colors and other neat sh*t that other countries are given (no Navy DS, no super awesome Japanese rewards system, certain games translated to English but for UK only, etc), as we are seen as a "you'll buy it anyway" sort of region.

Which is really sh*tty logic, but that's the general case.

People over at CAG have e-mailed them in regards to such things, and that was the basic response they got, but it wasn't worded as derisively.  More like "America is too big of a region for us to do such promotions."

It's like the ice cream man saying he wouldn't go to an elemtary school at 3 PM because he's afraid of the rush.

Actually, it's more like him being afraid that there will be a run on fudgesicles, and one kid is going to go home unhappy because they didn't get one.  And because of that, he just decides to forfeit the entire area.

Me?  I like cookie cake.  So screw the ice cream man.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: Zach on August 13, 2006, 04:56:58 PM
Quote

Nintendo will be contacting your store to arrange the installation of the countdown clocks from the 14th August

Does that mean they will be announcing the release date tommorrow?  It wouldn't be the first time the announced info shortly before a big game conference (they gave us the Wii name 2 weeks before E3).  It would make sense if they are planning an early launch  (as has been rumored).

Meh, probably just wishful thinking.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: Aussiedude on August 13, 2006, 07:38:46 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

Do us Americans mean anything to Nintendo anymore?


NO !! Even Australia gets the black DS-Lite before the yanks.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 08:37:19 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
When did Europe become more important than America?
They get the Black DSL even before Japan
and now they get in-store promotions and leaked release dates?

Do us Americans mean anything to Nintendo anymore?


My guess is that they've been giving the shaft to Euro/Aussie gamers for a while now and what you're seeing is an effort to make it up to them.

Seriously, it took an extra YEAR to get AC out to Europe. How hard is it to rewrite some goddamn holidays, anyway?

They're aiming to strengthen their ties with the territories where they're traditionally the weakest, hence all the DSL ads in Australia.

It sucks for US yanks, I know, but the US will likely still get a bunch of releases before other countries so it kinda evens out.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: JonLeung on August 14, 2006, 09:17:28 AM
So is that countdown clock thing for real?

Because it's just after noon here in Mountain Time, meaning that it should be evening (7 PMish?) over in the UK by now.  If the countdown clocks were installed anywhere we should've at least heard about them, even if everyone had to wait for the workday to be over first before they had a chance to go online at home to post about it.

Granted, it could still be another day or two even if it is real...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 14, 2006, 09:23:02 AM
It could just be that Nintendo set the date arbitrarily to have the clocks start and they will actually be ready to install after the announcement.  There just trying to get logistics done. (I'm sure they all run off batteries.)
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: Strell on August 14, 2006, 09:34:11 AM
I posted this at the CAG forums, and decided it would be fun to post here.  This is only my pure speculation, and I don't even know if it is feasible, but ehh, I'll just see what others think.


Quote


Originally Posted by dothog
My only concern for the Wii library is that there's a new, improved Mario Kart on the way. After hearing about the DS cooking games I'm hoping the Wii library contains a solid cooking game, which will be very popular with my friends and family.


You know, when I read this a few minutes ago, something stuck in my head, but I couldn't just quite understand what it was.

So I thought about it more and it hit me - there's a potential here for something very cool, or something very shitty.

As you've proposed, since the control schemes can essentially mimic each other per system (Wii vs DS), that leaves the possibility that we'll see games that are highly similar to each other, but with different coats of paint. Case in point already is Trauma Center, where the Wii version is a pseudo-sequel/remix sort of situation. It's not a direct port, but is sort of an enhanced version with new missions, characters, etc.

But at the core, it's the same game, same mechanics, etc.

Which worries me. Cuz it's like you said - what happens if the DS games, say, a simulation cooking game, and a Wii version comes out 3 months later that is essentially an improvement in every way?

I could see this causing competition within the N community between people going for one version over the other. Maybe Wii Cooking Mama has twice as many levels. Maybe DS Cooking Mama 2 has all of the Wii's version's upgrades, and adds two player wireless support. And then a few months later we get Wii Cooking Family, and it's a full-on simulation game with minigame cooking schemes.

There's a potential for developers, unfortunately, to rip not only each other off, but rip themselves off, AND create massive double, triple, and tetra-dipping situations for the consumer.

But then I thought...

What if this is a way Nintendo plans to do expansion packs?

In much the same way the GBA port can be used to expand upon DS games, what if the Wii could utilize a wireless connection to a DS *as* you are playing a Wii game, and it feeds/downloads/installs upgrades and things in the Wii's resident memory, thus allowing there to be standardized expansions available at stores?

For example, Smash Bros Brawl. Maybe they release it and it has 40 characters and no online play. Well, 3-4 months later, Nintendo releases a DS cart that contains information for 10 new characters AND wireless connectivity. So you turn on your DS and set it to wireless play, turn on the Wii and tell it to search for new content. It finds the DS's information, downloads all of it into it's resident memory, and then lets you play with those characters online and off.

You could even have it flush memory when you shut off the machine, meaning Nintendo could theoretically have multiple carts out. Maybe there's a Capcom pack, and you get Megaman, Dante, Ryu, and others. Then there's a Konami Pack. A Squeenix pack.

-OR- you could have the option to save the data to an external memory source, such as an SD card, so that when the Wii is turned on/off, it could load that external data directly.

This would solve the issue of allowing DLC when the Wii only has 512 megs of internal memory. Seeing as how it would be impossible for people to syncrhonize across wirelessly UNLESS Nintendo had a way to deliver it outside of WiConnect24. 'Cuz it would be damn near impossible when searching for online matches in SSBB to make sure that everyone had the same version, especially if someone doesn't have the memory available because they already downloaded a lot of VC games....a good solution would be add-on cards that get access from the DS.

I need someone with more technical info than me to tell me if this is even possible.

Edit: Someone has brought up that it essentially tell consumers that upgrades cost $130 bucks + carts, which is insane.  Which is a very good point, indeed.  I'm mostly curious if the idea could work period.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: AnyoneEB on August 14, 2006, 11:40:14 AM
Strell: That is an interesting idea for people without broadband access, but it makes no sense for people with broadband access. It would be much easier to just offer expansions as downloads or on Wii discs (to be loaded into flash memory, if needed) if you wanted to have them. As for online play with different expansions? Just allow the user to enable/disable them. Blizzard deals with them online (for Starcraft and Warcraft III) by letting you log onto BNET either as original or expansion and only see games from other people who logged on the same (although you can chat with users on any game).
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: Strell on August 14, 2006, 12:35:11 PM
Yea, but the problem with the Wii in terms of DLC is that it only has 512 megs of space internal, and if they want the game to be the same across the board for online play, they'd have to ensure that everyone had that data in that 512.

And since some people might not own SSBB, and since others might not have space for however many megs the download might be, there's no way Nintendo is going to have DLC for SSBB.  It's too difficult to synchronize.  You'd have to plan everything in advance, and that's a headache if I've ever imagined one.

BNET is fundamentally different because it's a computer, and it's assumed you'll have gigs of extra space.  That's sort of an agreement you have with PC developers to begin with.  They assume you have the space no matter what, and if you don't, you'll delete crap off your HD and/or get more space.  

Nintendo doesn't have that sort of luxury.  So if they want to have expansions down the line, they have a few options - 1) an enhanced release of the same game, 2) something that can be accessed externally that loads data into resident memory.

Nintendo doesn't care about online enough to go all out on it.  So I don't see them doing DLC or causing rifts in who owns what.  Which is why I doubt we'll see another Mario Kart DS until the DS2 hits.  

Animal Crossing can have DLC because it's just a tiny gift, and it doesn't effect anyone visiting your town.  SSBB can't rely on that.  If someone has downloaded the expansion and has, say, Kid Icarus's sword attack weakened for the sake of balance, but the other person doesn't, then that's going to ruin the game.  It's not so much a question of adding characters, it's about fixing gameplay down the line.  Nintendo doesn't want to do that - they want whole and cohesive products out on the market at all times.  

Now maybe they've got something cooked up no one knows about.  But there's too many obstacles for something like DLC beyond very small things.  WiConnect24 will never compete with XBL, or whatever Sony-ripoff will come up.  We're not going to get 15 minute 1 gig trailers, 1.5 gig gameplay demos, or 50-60 megs of maps.  It's just not going to happen unless Nintendo gives us more space to play with AND has the forethought to restrict just how much people can access.  

Unless games start shipping with SD cards for additional expansion, I don't see it happening.  Too many variables for too many people to deal with.

 
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 12:53:05 PM
I expect Nintendo to add a cheap USB drive to the market in a Wii-styled case.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 14, 2006, 01:08:54 PM
No they've already said they aren't getting into that game.

Now hold on there.  The last thing I want is expansions and patches.  The Wii should work just like anyother pure console.  What you ship is what you get.  All the bugs worked out or there forever.  I still believe that the 512 Megs of Flash are not going to be available to the user for permanent storage.  Temporary yes.  Permanent no.  I can't see Nintendo going down that sticky road.  Especially since there is no indication that you can upgrade the internal memory.  I think they'll just have you place all your games and like on an external memory card for longterm storage.  Plus Nintendo has always been into Mad Compression technology and I wouldn't doubt that the Wii has something built in help on that front.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: couchmonkey on August 14, 2006, 01:41:20 PM
About those clocks: the way that message was worded, I was under the impression that this means someone is going to be calling the stores about installing the clocks starting today...they might not actually be installed for a while yet.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/13/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 14, 2006, 06:05:54 PM
An IGN Forums user, one who called the wiimote speaker months b4 EGM or E3....
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Originally posted on IGN forums in February
Date Posted: 2/8 1:48pm Subject: Developer Comments - Date Edited: 5/8 2:18pm (2 edits total) Edited By: namlas

"The controller will contain a small amount of memory, which can be written to by the console (via Bluetooth) during the game. This will usually be used to store small sound files which can be heard via the controller's small internal speaker.

In demonstrations this system could be used, for example, to simulated the sound of gun shots coming from the controller when fired; when you put this together with the force feedback, it creates a game experience which surpasses anything we have been able to create before.

In other experiments we created a simple "Chinese whisper" style communication game which one player could whisper into the controller (we were even able to be in another room when doing this) and then the sound would be sent via the console to another player's controller which they could then hear. Great fun!"
....Has now let another little rumor out into the wild. This time its about wireless headsets, accessories that are transferrable between Wii and the DS, and Speech to text technology that is to be used in conjuction with Nintendo WFC.
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Originally posted on IGN forums
"...voice communication will be via wireless, head-mounted microphones..."

"Some peripherals for the DS will be compatible with Wii and vice-versa."

"Many Nintendo first party games (specifically games designed for a younger audience) will feature a new system currently being developed by Nintendo called ‘voice to text communication’.

The system works using an advanced voice recognition system which Nintendo has been developing for several years. When a user speaks the sound is converted into on screen text and sent to the other players. However, rather than just plain text being sent the system also picks up the tone, pitch and volume of the voice and translates that into colour, font size and character set. For example, if a player shouts ‘I win’ loudly into the microphone the on screen text may be all capitalized, and in a large red font; conversely if a player speaks quietly the font may be a pastel shade and smaller.

This system also allows online voice communication to be easily censored by the user.”


Sounds good and plausible and this guy supposedly has a good track record, since he did call the wiimote speaker, and there are patents for the Nintendo Speech to Text technology.

Patent 1

Patent 2



   
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: Strell on August 14, 2006, 07:42:03 PM
Why in the hell would we need that when we could have, gasp, voice chat?

C'mon Ninty, that's just a waste of time.

Soon we'll hear of molestors seducing small children with their evil purple text.  

Hu h huhu huh uh uhu.  Purple.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 14, 2006, 07:51:12 PM
Well what about speech to text translation?
Now I could play anyone across the world and we could communicate even though I have no idea how to speak their language.

I could be playing a Japanese man where he could speak Japanese and maybe I could even hear him speak Japanese, but I would see the english text translation at the bottom of the screen.  It would also allow Nintendo to censor the text to keep conversations in the "PG" area.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: EasyCure on August 14, 2006, 08:09:45 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Well what about speech to text translation?
Now I could play anyone across the world and we could communicate even though I have no idea how to speak their language.

I could be playing a Japanese man where he could speak Japanese and maybe I could even hear him speak Japanese, but I would see the english text translation at the bottom of the screen.  It would also allow Nintendo to censor the text to keep conversations in the "PG" area.


those reasons are exactly why i find this very plausible. nintendo would not only be bringing communication without boundries (ie. i could communicate to anyone, no matter what the language) to all their fans but could keep them self in a safety zone by keeping those conversations in the "PG area" like you said. that way there would be no cases of pedophiles speaking to children in purple text like someone else said

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 14, 2006, 08:14:15 PM
Also! Very VERY cool for any potential online RPGs. . . You don't really want some 11 year old kid voicing a giant lizard creature or whatever else. I'm always hoping for a Wii online RPG with RP servers. I know, it's pretty unlikely, but at least this would make it all the cooler.

And we'll always have voice chat for 3rd party games.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 08:52:31 PM
Erm, what's the point of censoring voice chat unless you're not using friend codes, and I thought all first party titles were going to use friend codes?

If your idiot friends decide to swear at you, it ain't Nintendo's fault, and this way pedophiles can still speak to and lure random children.

Also, my f*cking Nintendog can't even tell what I'm saying half the time. They're going to use this voice to text thing on ME?

I ain't holding my breath...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: Strell on August 14, 2006, 09:03:07 PM
I decree that we all use this "viz-o-chat" here in this thread from now on.

So you are all required to use various sizes, colors, bold, italics, and underline to emphasis the mood and tone of your text.

I'm too lazy to do it, so you muf*ckaz can do it for me.

Go on.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: IceCold on August 14, 2006, 11:14:23 PM
Quote

"The controller will contain a small amount of memory, which can be written to by the console (via Bluetooth) during the game. This will usually be used to store small sound files which can be heard via the controller's small internal speaker.
But we knew this.. I heard it on a podcast a while back.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 14, 2006, 11:25:53 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
Quote

"The controller will contain a small amount of memory, which can be written to by the console (via Bluetooth) during the game. This will usually be used to store small sound files which can be heard via the controller's small internal speaker.
But we knew this.. I heard it on a podcast a while back.
You have to read the post for it to make sense, it says right at the top of the quote that that quote is from February. I only posted it there to show past credibility, which was stated by the words that I happened to type into that post.

reading comprehension FTL...  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: Zach on August 15, 2006, 07:47:01 AM
As smash brother pointed out.  There is a problem with voice recognition.  Her is an example of me playing brain age:

Me: blue
Game: Try again
me: blue
Game: Try again
Me: BLUE!!
Game: Try again
Me: DAMMIT! YOUR RUINING MY BRAIN AGE!
Game: Try again
Me: I hate you
Game: Try again

I then throw the game across the room
Me: BLUE MOTHA F**KA!  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/14/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 15, 2006, 07:48:50 AM
Post taken from another forum, but all quotes and info taken from www.nintendo-inside.jp

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According to Nintendo Inside we may be getting a cheaper Wii!?!?
It seems Nintendo's stock has hit a new high on The Nikkei due to a cheaper procurement of CPU's due to a larger order?

Nikkei seem to think Wii will go on the market for 19800 Yen and not 25000Yen!!!
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The sales price of Wii assumes 19800 yen.
19:05 Tuesday, August 15, 2006


It seems to expect to be procured at a low price, and the change of the package for CPU of Wii to be a sales assumption price of Wii to 19,800 yen from a past 25,000 yen in the report of Nikko Citigroup according to NIKKEI NET.

Because it is not a free rumor article, you seem may expect this. Do it become a considerable remark that decides an argument in the person who is hesitating whether to still buy Wii?

(Tarecomi Thanks you)]

Link to price topic

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New Nintendo < Osaka Securities Exchange > hits a new high. (2006/08/15 15:35)

(code 7974 at 15:5) Stretch in succession on the fourth. The year's new high 22,310 yen on July 25 is updated to the first session, and gains have been expanded to the post-place. One o'clock is bought up to 22,810 yen of 590 yen up compared with the day before. It is continuously had a good feeling to have raised the target stock prices from a past 21,700 yen to 25,200 yen though the Nikko Citigroup bond left the investment judgment untouched by "1H" on the tenth. In this report?It becomes cheap the package for CPU (central operation processor) ..procurement.. ..the expectation.., and it changes from 25,000 yen to assume the sales price of the next generation family-use game machines 'Wii (We)' to 19,800 yen. The number of the domestic sale is expected ..expectation.. ..strong.. to increase by 50 percent so far, too. ?It makes it.

There was a point with "A recent exchange market price's tending to depreciation of the yen in the dollar and Euro becomes a purchaser hanging" (major bond) in the market, too.


..(.. stock prices of Nintendo/company overview/homepage)


Also Bloomberg are reporting Nintendo are up to there nexts in the development of brain training and Diet training type games for Wii, and expect them to hit by Xmas?

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According to Bloomberg's report, Nintendo seems to be developing software related to dieting for Wii.

"Software related to dieting etc. for 'Training that strengthens the brain' and next generation machine 'Wii' keeps being developed, being progressed from the desire that it wants to make even the person who cannot master the game controller can readily enjoy playing a game, and new range of customers being developed. "

being saidI think that the exercise is good as the possibility of the remote control of Wii. Brain..tray..intellectual training..genre..invent..game..education..useful..think..bring..following.. this time..healthy..use..mere..game machine..family..all..locate..do.

Analyst Hideki Yasuda of the ace bond is "Tendency to which the light user buys the game that it will not be caught in a past frame such as 'Training that strengthens the brain' soon by Kon, and the market extends though a terrible game and a wonderful game were popular up to now" and analyzes it. This year's Christmas sales battle was expected that how the light user was acquired would become a point. It is described, "The domination of Nintendo because it plans to put a light game and a casual game new for wii on the market".

Link to Diet games page
All on www.nintendo-inside.jp


So in summary:
- Larger order of chips = lower price for Nintendo
- Wii could launch @ $199 US
- Nintendo developing Brain & Diet Training games for Wii (million sellers in Euro & US?)
- BT & DT aimed for pre Christmas release  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: EasyCure on August 15, 2006, 08:03:07 AM
that grammar made my head hurt

as for the Diet Training games, that could really catch on in the US since everyone is seemingly becoming more health concious. i read a report not too long ago that teens are the number 1 buyer of bottled water/vitamin waters in the US because of trends to be/stay healthy, and as a result companies like pepsico are losing money on their soda fronts.

now nintendo may come out with a fun way to do simple exercises a few times today, with tips on how to eat right, and you've got yourself a hit! especially if you get oprahs fat as$ to do this on television ;-)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2006, 08:07:55 AM
Yeah, Diet/Exercise Training will definitely be a big seller...

...but will it feature the floating head of Richard Simmons?  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: decoyman on August 15, 2006, 10:15:33 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
...but will it feature the floating head of Richard Simmons?


lol, we can only hope!!

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 15, 2006, 10:40:20 AM
GoNintendo is reporting Japanese launch at around $170 US dollars (after exchange rates from Yen).

So we could potentially see a price anywhere from $150-$199 in the US realistically, seeing as Nintendo sometimes releases consoles cheaper here.  (DS Lite is an example.)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 15, 2006, 11:10:11 AM
We had been discussing that earlier, I remember: at $150, the Wii becomes an impulse buy item.

I don't know how much money Nintendo spends on making each Wii, but at $150, I think it would be safe to say they'd make up the difference on licensing fees and software sales rather quickly.

People would pay $150 just to mess around with Wii sports.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: JonLeung on August 15, 2006, 01:02:20 PM
Speaking of Richard Simmons, I remember reading that someone named Richard Simmons (I say that because it's unlikely to be THE Richard Simmons...at least I think so) was credited as doing the voice of Tingle in a Zelda game.  Was/is it Twilight Princess?  I forget.  That was a while ago, and was probably someone's flub-up or joke in the IMDB credits or something.

Now, an exercise game with both THE Richard Simmons AND Tingle?  That would either be extremely hilarious, or incredibly scary.  I'm thinking more the latter, though some people might have a good time with it (or at its expense).
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 15, 2006, 02:54:49 PM
I could see THE Richard Simmons doing Tingle.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: BigJim on August 15, 2006, 03:24:02 PM
$170, $230... that's a $60 delta. Someone make up my mind please.

A diet game... that's Oprah material right there. Not personally interested, but very clever.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 15, 2006, 03:44:52 PM
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$170, $230... that's a $60 delta. Someone make up my mind please.


No.


At least not till the night before...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 15, 2006, 04:49:47 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BigJim
$170, $230... that's a $60 delta. Someone make up my mind please.

A diet game... that's Oprah material right there. Not personally interested, but very clever.


Oprah once again returns to the grand scheme of Wii marketing.  If Oprah gets all over this (kinda disgusting when you think about it), American consumers will follow suit.

The ULTIMATE wave of non-gaming market drive.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: nemo_83 on August 15, 2006, 10:36:30 PM
What do you guys think of the recent rumor that Metroid Prime 3 will be delayed.  If it happens, I predict a year long delay, online modes added, cooperative play, and an expansive series of systems to explore (like Super Mario Galaxy, Spore, or Mass Effect).  

I doubt we'll get true vehicle control (though it would work brilliantly with the remote), and when we do get a Metroid that allows us to fly the ship, its use will probably still be limited to an overblown key.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 16, 2006, 02:19:29 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: nemo_83
What do you guys think of the recent rumor that Metroid Prime 3 will be delayed.  If it happens, I predict a year long delay, online modes added, cooperative play, and an expansive series of systems to explore (like Super Mario Galaxy, Spore, or Mass Effect).  

I doubt we'll get true vehicle control (though it would work brilliantly with the remote), and when we do get a Metroid that allows us to fly the ship, its use will probably still be limited to an overblown key.
Look back to Friday, Aug. 11 or pg #9 if your in the 20 post format for discussion that already happened about MP3: Corruption

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2006, 05:40:37 AM
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Original Source: From an IGN article
Nikko Citigroup previously forecast a 25,000 yen price for the Wii. The firm arrived at the new, lower price point based on its expectation that Nintendo will be able to procure the Wii's CPU for less than expected.


My question is how did they procure them for less?  I figure at the beginning of there colloboration with IBM they set a price or a percentage or something.  It also must be significant drop to actually drop the cost.  This could also be an indication that Nintendo had upped there Guarenteed number of processors there going to buy in the next year or so.  Go Bulk Discount!  It would be consistant with the rumor that they are producing more Wii's then originally quoted.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: couchmonkey on August 16, 2006, 05:53:49 AM
Well I believe Nintendo did announce it was going to increase the number of units to be produced before the end of 2006 a couple of weeks ago, that might do it.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 16, 2006, 06:30:16 AM
CouchMonkey:

I think you got it.  In the full story it mentions that because of the increase in CPU units ordered by Nintendo they were able to get a better price.

This is great for Nintendo.  First, it means Nintendo is looking for better sales of the Wii during launch.  It also means that we should get a better price on the Wii when it is finally released.

You know I believe Nintendo could sell out of all its units by December.  I bet Nintendo will completely met its sales forcast and still have huge demand of the Wii at launch.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 16, 2006, 06:59:02 AM
Ceric, Couchmonkey & Spak, I just mentioned all of this yesterday and even mentioned it in the summary of the poorly translated articles....
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 on Tue August 15, 2006 9:48 AM
Post taken from another forum, but all quotes and info taken from www.nintendo-inside.jp

So in summary:
- Larger order of chips = lower price for Nintendo
- Wii could launch @ $199 US
- Nintendo developing Brain & Diet Training games for Wii (million sellers in Euro & US?)
- BT & DT aimed for pre Christmas release


"Testing tesing"
*tap tap tap* *covers ears as mic makes loud screeching noise*
"is this mic working!!"
*tap tap tap*
"Hellooooooo....ah forget it, no ones listening anyway"
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2006, 07:09:08 AM
Ah ha.  I knew there was some speculation about that.  Though Still a larger order of chips I don't think it would normally drop the price to the point that you change your original pricepoint.  Just enough that you pocket the little extra, think $1-2 dollars off the chips.

Also, now that I think about it, has anybody heard whose actually fabricating the chips for Ati?  I wonder if IBM got into that deal.  I know AMD isn't going to allow them to use there Fabrication plants for another year I beleive.  I could see it this effecting the price if all the parties involved gave an extra discount (It would all stack up.) *shrug*
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 16, 2006, 07:34:59 AM
Well it is a HUGE increase to go from 6 million by March '07 to 6 million by Christmas '06 instead. It sounds like they basically doubled their order and by doing so shave off a percentage of the price by ordering in such bulk.

It shows confidence from Nintendo to sell Wii and faith in consumers to buy Wii. It also means larger 4th quarter profits to the manufacturing companies because of the discount they give to Nintendo to increase that production load.

p.s. New rumor(that starts here ) that looks like fact: THQ is out to sabotage all of their Wii projects in the graphical department by producing GC games on Wii disc. All of THQ's Wii offering are basically straight ports of their PS2/GC games graphically with added wiimote functionality. It looks like the spent their entire time working on controls(they didn't even use all the features of the wiimote) and didn't bother to look at the graphics of the game.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 16, 2006, 08:51:47 AM
BlackNMild2k1:  Sorry about that.  I forget to check back pages on threads before posting.

Though, I do remember seeing that post now that you mention it.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2006, 09:02:39 AM
Read that article.  Are you to surprised?  I mean this will be less of a problem with all the other games since they don't have GCN Equivalents.  But those games have GCN equivalents so why reinvent the wheel when you can focus on new play controls?  Plus it states in those articles that they are pre-release and THQ has already stated most will get a Graphical upgrade.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2006, 09:03:58 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 p.s. New rumor(that starts here ) that looks like fact: THQ is out to sabotage all of their Wii projects in the graphical department by producing GC games on Wii disc. All of THQ's Wii offering are basically straight ports of their PS2/GC games graphically with added wiimote functionality. It looks like the spent their entire time working on controls(they didn't even use all the features of the wiimote) and didn't bother to look at the graphics of the game.


That's pretty much par for the course for many games ported to the 360, though.

For example, Hitman 2 on the 360 is graphically identical to the Xbox version.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 16, 2006, 09:15:51 AM
This isn't that disheartening to me.  

If there is a THQ game I am interested in, I would rather them focus on tightening up the controls and perfecting how the game plays before moving on to enhancing the graphics.  

However, it sounds like the THQ team has been having problems tightening up the controls and that really bothers me.

I think some studios are not thinking that Nintendo is worth spending the effort and money on...and that may make the consumers see the horrible 3rd party offerings and decided the Wii isn't truly next generation...when it definately is.  The other systems are just insane.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: Anon_Emus on August 27, 2006, 02:35:09 PM
I wonder how many of these rumors will prove to be true
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/15/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2006, 02:38:46 PM
I'm not sure, but this rumor is to be put to the test in a little over 2 weeks

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Originally posted by: GoNintendo.com

According to him, or his source I should say, Nintendo has been playing us the fool all along. They have been showing us trailers for games that have deliberately downgraded graphics compared to what the Wii can actually do. This is to create an element of surprise for the press during Nintendo’s next media event. I am guessing that would end up being the September 14th press event. During this show they will show off Wii graphics that are “of a quality far exceeding the Xbox”, shocking us all.

You have to wonder why SMG looks alot better than most of the other games we have seen, but I just figured it was because Nintendo has complete access to their own dev-kit and 3rd parties don't.  

edit: gonintendo has another rumor, this one about HMDs and Disaster: Day of Crisis

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Originally posted by: GoNintendo.com
*RUMOR* From the desk of the Regginator

I don’t know what is going on this weekend, but since Friday night I have been getting emailed the strangest stories! As you can see, I haven’t been posting any of them, until I came across the graphical discussion which I posted below. I have another one for you guys that is so outlandish that it needs to go up. Good for a weekend chuckle I think. I apologize to the person who emailed this to me, but I just don’t believe that this story is true. I am more willing to believe our earlier graphics rumor, which I also take with less than a quater of a grain of salt. Regardless of all that, if it is fake, someone took the time to write all this stuff up…so why not give it a home!

Okay, now that I got all that out of the way…the pictures below are “supposed” to be documents written by none other then Reggie Fils-Aime. How did our lucky emailer come to find these goodies? Read his story below.

I noticed Mr. Fils-Aime putting something in the confidential waste bin, and walked over after he had left for a meeting.. the bin was full to the top as usual, and these screwed up pages were just in reach through the lid (without taking it off and spilling papers everywhere). There’s not much I can do to prove my credibility, however I think they may be of interest to you..

Talk about being in the right place at the right time! Our reader says that he scanned the images and sent them my way. I have taken screenshots of the .pdf files, which you can check out below.


click on the link above to read the speech that Reggie supposedly wrote.

in summary:
Sept. 14th Nintendo will reveal the last secret of the Wii
The last secret is a Head Mounted Display
Disaster: Day of Crisis is the first game to use this HMD
Disaster is to release in January 2007  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Caliban on August 27, 2006, 03:27:58 PM
What about that other post on GoNintendo, the one on Reggie's September 14th speach? Those scans just spooked the hell out of me, if it happens to be true what is written...HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY NINTENDO!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Anon_Emus on August 27, 2006, 03:31:29 PM
I just saw that too and was going to post it.
Head mounted display!!?? I don't believe it.

edit: BNM already updated

after a closer inspection it looks like those "official" and "real" docs are very very FAKE
is that a wrinkled paper background texture applied to the documents?
It would have looked more authentic if the person had actually printed it out and then crumpled the paper himself then scanned it back in.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2006, 04:12:54 PM
Ahahaha, there's just so much wishful thinking crammed into that "speech" it's ridiculous...And why would Nintendo reveal a half-dozen new DS games that would most definitely cannibalize software sales this winter?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: BigJim on August 27, 2006, 04:15:10 PM
I hate fanboy blogs.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Grant10k on August 27, 2006, 04:19:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Anon_Emus
I just saw that too and was going to post it.
Head mounted display!!?? I don't believe it.

edit: BNM already updated

after a closer inspection it looks like those "official" and "real" docs are very very FAKE
is that a wrinkled paper background texture applied to the documents?
It would have looked more authentic if the person had actually printed it out and then crumpled the paper himself then scanned it back in.


Yeah, if you increase the contrast on any two of the 'documents' the 'wrinkles' are in the exact same 'place'
(I'm using 'finger quotes' as I type all this)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Caliban on August 27, 2006, 04:22:16 PM
That's why this is the rumour thread, you can say all you want and nobody has to take you seriously.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: BigJim on August 27, 2006, 04:45:34 PM
Well I have an uncle that works for Nintendo and he says that the VR headset is only an optional accessory and that the disc drive is writable and you can make your own games. Oh and that Genesis games won't be on Wii anymore because Sega won't license their "Blast Processing" technology to Nintendo. lolzftwbbq

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 27, 2006, 05:41:56 PM
You mean Wii can't handle Blast Processing :cool:
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: bustin98 on August 27, 2006, 06:12:29 PM
Those images are pretty convincing. Think about this: If you had a stack of papers and shoved them in a trash container, wouldn't they all fold in similar spots? I altered the levels in Photoshop to see the wrinkles and they do vary in size and placement, though close enough to be part of the same stack. So I do think the originator did scan in wrinkled papers.

I did a 'www.anywho.com' reverse lookup on the number posted on the first page. It comes up as Nintendo.

Too bad those things are easily faked. The problem with the images arose when the levels were adjusted. The pixel information is different than the paper. Plus, the words do not follow the folds in the paper.

I support the conclusion that the images from Reggie's desk is fake.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 27, 2006, 07:03:04 PM
It's fake for one reason alone: important documents are SHREDED before they're disposed of.

And I've said it before: if Nintendo is trying to make gaming seem less intimidating, a helmet with wires coming out of it is a thousand steps in the WRONG direction.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 27, 2006, 08:05:46 PM
The one thing that lead me to believe that the document was a fake was the attitude they had towards the competition. The sentence "the XBOX 360, a supposed next gen console, has sold less than the DS" sounds more like something a fanboy would say, not a high ranking official.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2006, 08:21:33 PM
Actually, that's something Reggie WOULD say...He has no problem trashing the competition...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Adrock on August 27, 2006, 08:53:51 PM
It's fake.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 28, 2006, 07:52:17 AM
Fake like PSP success.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: EasyCure on August 31, 2006, 02:50:09 PM
so nintendo has a fall catalog out and i picked one up at a gamestop on my break from work.
on like the second page theres a picture of a wii with a caption reading "coming soon." i chuckled, i'll admit it...
anyway, this is what it had to say about Wii:

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Wii's elegant design makes it an inviting addition to your entertainment setup. Thanks to the Wii Remote, you're given more freedom to place the console where it best suits your lifestyle. It can be a sword in one game and then a steering wheel for racing games. It's your paintbrush, your golf club, your airplane, but most of all, its's your key to unlocking a world of fun you've never imagined.


mario paint get?

every other example they gave has a game or some sort of software demo that corelates with it, except the paintbrush. could this be a hint of things to come???

or am i just looking to far into it just so i could post in this thread and having something to do??
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2006, 02:54:44 PM
Kirby Canvas Curse Wii, please...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Blue Plant on August 31, 2006, 03:09:41 PM
Bob Ross? :D
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: JonLeung on September 01, 2006, 09:59:20 AM
I'm bored.  We need more Wii rumours.  The crazy-yet-still-possible kind.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: couchmonkey on September 01, 2006, 12:36:29 PM
Okay, my uncle works at Nintendo and he says that Nintendo is going to announce Kid Wiicarus on September 14th.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 01, 2006, 12:45:59 PM
Yeah my cousin once slept with couchmonkey's uncle and he said that there would be a sequel to 7-Up for the Wii called "Diet Cherry Vanilla Dr. Pepper"
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: couchmonkey on September 01, 2006, 01:17:02 PM
KN: My uncle says your cousin was hot, but not as hot as the Lapis for Wii announcement Nintendo is going to make at TGS.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Louieturkey on September 01, 2006, 01:32:23 PM
The Noid II.  Guaranteed announcement at the conference on 9/14.  Believe it!  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Caliban on September 01, 2006, 03:51:58 PM
On 9/14 the first ever porno turned game will be announced, this is what what the publisher had to say:

"Just look at the controller, it's perfect for such a game, no buttons required for gameplay other than menu selecting and the sorts, totally perfect for the type of interaction we seek for our future clients."
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Artimus on September 01, 2006, 04:10:43 PM
Matt on IGN says Sept. 14 will be huge, and we'll be getting more info than even E3 had, all this month.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Ceric on September 01, 2006, 04:27:34 PM
Ironically Enough I don't think that would be really that hard to do.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 01, 2006, 10:00:54 PM
As for the paintbrush comment, I would hope that to be an indicator of Okami more than anything. Not that I'm gonna hold my breath or anything. Just wishing.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Crimm on September 01, 2006, 10:45:04 PM
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The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Developer: Nintendo EAD
Publisher: Nintendo
Genre: Action Adventure
Release Date: August 22, 2006


TP comes with Wii (laughter obligitory).  IGN
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: JonLeung on September 13, 2006, 09:12:16 AM
Haven't seen much in this thread lately, so how about this?

Nintendo Wii Fanboy is saying the latest rumour is that Wii Sports is disappearing from pre-order lists - because the Wii will be bundled with it!  (Or that it will be bundled with the Wii, whichever.)

Supposedly this somehow makes up for a lack of the classic controller, which sounds rumourriffic!  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2006, 09:15:16 AM
I would not be surprised at all...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Caliban on September 13, 2006, 09:24:17 AM
Rumour is that it will be $229, 2 controllers (2 chucks and 2 wiimotes), WiiSports included. I would hope for at least one VC game included, of your choice of course.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: jasonditz on September 13, 2006, 10:38:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
Matt on IGN says Sept. 14 will be huge, and we'll be getting more info than even E3 had, all this month.


I should hope so, because other than title names E3 didn't really tell us much of anything.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: jasonditz on September 13, 2006, 10:42:15 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BigJim
Well I have an uncle that works for Nintendo and he says that the VR headset is only an optional accessory and that the disc drive is writable and you can make your own games. Oh and that Genesis games won't be on Wii anymore because Sega won't license their "Blast Processing" technology to Nintendo. lolzftwbbq




Genesis does what Nintendon't
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: RickPowers on September 13, 2006, 11:37:01 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: jasonditz
Quote

Originally posted by: BigJim
Well I have an uncle that works for Nintendo and he says that the VR headset is only an optional accessory and that the disc drive is writable and you can make your own games. Oh and that Genesis games won't be on Wii anymore because Sega won't license their "Blast Processing" technology to Nintendo. lolzftwbbq




Genesis does what Nintendon't



Nintendo is what Genesisn't.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Strell on September 13, 2006, 11:52:53 AM
SEGA IS STUPID

NINTENDO IS NINTAWESOME

ROFLMAOMAOFMAOFML!OMLAFOAMLAMO!@!111
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: jasonditz on September 13, 2006, 12:26:23 PM
The guy who thought up blast processing was seriously a marketing genius though. What's better than having the something the customer wants that your competitor doesn't offer? The answer, of course, is having something the customer has been convinced he wants and you have that doesn't actually exist and therefore your competitor will never have.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: Strell on September 13, 2006, 12:57:34 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: jasonditz
The guy who thought up blast processing was seriously a marketing genius though. What's better than having the something the customer wants that your competitor doesn't offer? The answer, of course, is having something the customer has been convinced he wants and you have that doesn't actually exist and therefore your competitor will never have.


WELL NINTENDO HAS WII.

EVERYONE WANTS ONE IN THEIR HANDS.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: RickPowers on September 13, 2006, 01:40:25 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: jasonditz
The guy who thought up blast processing was seriously a marketing genius though. What's better than having the something the customer wants that your competitor doesn't offer? The answer, of course, is having something the customer has been convinced he wants and you have that doesn't actually exist and therefore your competitor will never have.


Actually, Blast Processing did exist ... it just wasn't what anyone thought it was.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: The Omen on September 13, 2006, 01:45:52 PM
I preferred Mode 7.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: BigJim on September 13, 2006, 01:47:57 PM
The Super FX chip was better than CDs.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 8/27/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2006, 06:15:02 PM
I found this on GAF and it comes from the latest issue of EDGE magazine

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- CNN has signed up with Nintendo as the provider of news content on tne News Channel in American and Japan. News will be presented by category, but another way of getting to it is by spinning the weather globe to find stories in different countries

- Sega has moved a significant number of development staff from PS3 to Wii over the Summer

- Although Nintendo has removed DVD movie playback from the Wii, it plans to launch in Japan next year an enhanced Wii capable of such a feature

- Nintendo intended to bring Wii to shop shelves in the UK and US for £150 and $200, but became influenced by pressure from the larger retail chains, which raised concerns over margins and low so-called 'basket value' (ie, the amount of revenue generated from a customer's overall purchases at the till)

- There are plenty of Wii Channel slots remaining to be filled

- Edge says that Wii Sports will be to Wii what Mario 64 was to the N64. Says golf has the best single player mode (no surprise) and boxing is their favourite overall

1) If you have to go with a news provider CNN would be a good one to go for

2) Wonder what they are developing and what PS games they pulled people from.

3) WiiQ or WiiSP in the works?

4) Retailers made Nintendo charge more for the Wii?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: IceCold on October 28, 2006, 06:34:37 PM
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Nintendo intended to bring Wii to shop shelves in the UK and US for £150 and $200, but became influenced by pressure from the larger retail chains, which raised concerns over margins and low so-called 'basket value' (ie, the amount of revenue generated from a customer's overall purchases at the till)
Doesn't make sense. Retailers make a minimal profit on consoles; the margins on accessories and games are much higher. Therefore, retailers would want as low a console price as possible, so that customers would spend more on items other than the console.

On an somewhat note, it's an interesting scenario for third parties (and retailers). On one hand, Nintendo consoles at launch usually have a great tie-in ratio, so more games will be sold. Also, many of Nintendo's own titles have been pushed back, giving the third party games a better chance of higher sales. However, WiiSports is packed in, and developers may be concerned about the impact of it; some buyers may be content with just the package, and won't buy any other games.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Edfishy on October 28, 2006, 06:34:41 PM
Hm, CNN is kinda neat, but I'd prefer something a bit more generic, like "TIME" or something.  CNN's a little deep for a fun-loving console like the Wii.

I can believe retailers would push Nintendo into upping the price $50.  They're getting a little used to selling expensive technology. The price will likely drop $20 next Christmas, and then to $200 in 2008.  By 2009 it'll be $150.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: IceCold on October 28, 2006, 09:40:33 PM
About SEGA, hopefully they will finally realise that many of their franchises can be improved drastically by the controller. Panzer Dragoon, NiGHTS, light gun games, racing games - if SEGA had any sense, they would makes these for Wii.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Ceric on October 29, 2006, 06:22:22 AM
Probably what happened was that the retail chains saw how low the price was compared to the other consoles and wanted a bigger margin because they knew people would buy at an only slightly reduced rate with the extra $50.  Thats probably why we are also getting the Opera browser for free for the first bit.  Another reasoning is that the relatively slight increase in price will also bring down demand enough to make sure that there are enough people who want it to keep it sold out throughout Christmas but in such a manner that they could keep getting resupplied so that it still be relatively easy to find with a little looking.
Also I heard that there was a problem with the production of the Wiimotes.  Which would explain why some places have ran out of pre-orders of controllers.  That could also be a  factor in that regards.  Trying to keep it so that most don't notice.
Also but yielding to this sort of demand it makes the retailers the bad people on this and make them more inclined to accommodate or entertain some of Nintendo's requests.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: zakkiel on October 29, 2006, 07:56:05 AM
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Hm, CNN is kinda neat, but I'd prefer something a bit more generic, like "TIME" or something.
Time has at least its share problems, but as a serious news source it beats the living $#!^ out of CNN. This is the first time I've heard anyone accuse CNN of being too deep for anything. Its coverage could not penetrate a brown paper bag.
/rant

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Although Nintendo has removed DVD movie playback from the Wii, it plans to launch in Japan next year an enhanced Wii capable of such a feature
Uh-oh. I smell the approach of... Ian Sane!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on October 29, 2006, 09:21:05 AM
Two of my friends -- they don't know each other -- told me that Game Crazy and GameStop stores will be getting Wii demo units in by the end of this month.  That is two days from now.  One friend found out online (so it must be true lol), and the other friend works at GameCrazy.  Apparently this information came from the Nintendo rep.

I want this to be true, but I don't want to get my hopes up.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 29, 2006, 10:35:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Myxtika1 Azn I want this to be true, but I don't want to get my hopes up.


That would mean Nintendo has until tues to get these into stores.

Truthfully, I think they're a bit late already. It's 21 days until Wii launch and still no kiosks, and this is for a system that needs to be PLAYED to be believed...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: BlkPaladin on October 29, 2006, 10:40:09 AM
Well I still haven't seen a PS3 kiosk any where yet ether so they are not the only ones "late".

Putting a little resoning behind this. You don't want to have a console out too early (the kiosks) if it breaks it will no look good when it released and there is a broken one out for demo. (Xbox 360)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 29, 2006, 06:18:08 PM
True, but I'm sure Nintendo has already taken steps to ensure the stores know how to properly care for the Wii setup.

God knows, they must have already paid Best Buy to get them to do what they've done for the Wii.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: couchmonkey on October 30, 2006, 05:34:10 AM
Like they ensured proper care of DS setups?  "Please tell your customers that the screens only work if you scratch them extra-hard!  In some cases keys work better than the stylus."

Hurr, sorry, couldn't resist.  I actually agree that the demo systems should hit stores pretty soon here.  Damage may be a concern, but I don't think it will be that big...controllers are cheaper to replace than entire units as in the DS case.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Strell on October 30, 2006, 07:20:02 AM
Gonintendo.com is reporting that "there is another big secret with the Wii that will be revealed at launch," citing a supposed comment directly from God himself - Reggie - at a recent Gamestop workers meeting.

I personally don't believe it.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: JonLeung on October 30, 2006, 08:20:01 AM
^I was going to say that too, Strell.  The rumour of "one last secret" also made its way to Infendo.

I'm hesitant to believe that there could be more.  Not that I wouldn't welcome it if there was more!

If it's anything at all, it's likely not hardware-based.  I would guess it has to do with online functionality, another Wii Channel, perhaps, or something like WiiPlay coming to North America after all...but maybe something like it's broken up into individual downloadable parts to get people used to the idea of downloading new games from the Virtual Console.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Strell on October 30, 2006, 09:14:48 AM
The most possible candidates are:  Wii Play bundled, Wii Channels/WiiConnect/Online functionality is explained or fleshed out, or the VC is getting beefier.

It can't be hardware related at this point, and I see no reason for a lot of the other big speculations to be pertinent, as there would be no reason for Nintendo to keep stuff like this under wraps at this point.  What more can they lose?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 30, 2006, 09:26:47 AM
The Wii...makes toast.

...

MEGATOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2006, 09:39:19 AM
I believe it will be channel related.  For the sole reason that as Matt pointed out Nintendo isn't giving Press Demo Units and that the Developers ones still don't have any of the channels.  Also am I the only one who thinks central Sound and Screen Preference settings are cool and about time?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Requiem on October 30, 2006, 10:06:31 AM
You guys are all forgetting something that Nintendo, even after revealing it, has tucked away and never spoke of it again.


I'm talking about single-disc LAN multi-player. It's genius if it can be accomplished.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2006, 10:08:32 AM
No reason why not.  You just have to keep the game under 512.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 30, 2006, 10:10:16 AM
That would be kinda...difficult.

The best you could do then is have the same situation with the DS where it can offload a watered-down version of the game to nearby Wiis.

Personally, I wouldn't get excited about that at all.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 30, 2006, 10:12:26 AM
I think there may be a few secrets left with the Wii...or more accurately a few more details.

The two most believable possibilities are some sort of portability.  Hinted at in early SquareEnix interviews commenting that the system is a combination of a home system and portable device.

And the other possibilities that is even bigger than the portability is an idea of mine that comes with support from IGN.  Virtual Console tools available cheaply for ALL inspiring game developers.  

This would open up the ability for ALL potential developers and small development houses to develop virtual console games, and a business structure can be formed for virtual distribution of the system which Nintendo and the developers get to share profits.  In the end, this will help pay for online games and all servers needed, and at the same time open up the Nintendo Wii to truly be the system for independent games.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Requiem on October 30, 2006, 10:15:08 AM
And why not?

It could do wonders for FPS's. And what about something like Fight Night?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 30, 2006, 10:17:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
And why not?

It could do wonders for FPS's. And what about something like Fight Night?


Provided it can do more for multiplayer than the current one cart DS games do, then sure. Otherwise, it'll just be a preview situation where you can get a taste of what the game would be like multiplayer and basically be encouraged to go buy more copies.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2006, 10:20:25 AM
Exactly.  Get a taste and then go buy your own copy.  Thats all a feature like that is truly for.  Especial with a console.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 30, 2006, 10:29:36 AM
What with loading textures, models, sounds, etc., I just can't imagine you'd get the FULL multiplayer experience unless you had multiple copies of the game, especially when that 512 MB will be filled with other data already.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2006, 10:41:49 AM
Ok.  Lets just say for the sake of argument you have 16 self contained levels in your game.  A Dual Layer DVD can hold about 8 gigs so thats 8192 bytes so now lets divide that up into my 16 self contained levels.  So we get 512 megs per self contained level.  Code itself is relatively small and easy to compress.  Now sounds and graphics can be huge, the assets.  You could get a pretty good experience with 512 especially if there is an efficient why to do decompression.

Actually I cool idea would be single disc multisystem Co-op play.  You stream the data you need across the network as you play.  some clever design and it play the same.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 30, 2006, 10:47:13 AM
I think single disc multiplayer is very unlikely for a fairly complicated game. There is alot of data to send across, very much unlike the DS where all of the games in their entirety are a few megs. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Personally I hope Nintendo announces the WiiPlay package for America. Damn Nintendo for making this 3 week wait even more unbearable!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 10/28/2006)
Post by: JonLeung on October 30, 2006, 10:56:12 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
Damn Nintendo for making this 3 week wait even more unbearable!
It's actually less than three weeks now, and though I curse the fact that there are too many good games to play on the DS that were released recently, that is actually quite a blessing.  Pick up a few games and focus on those and the three weeks will be over with soon enough!

Maybe that is the secret...a Wii Channel called the "DS Channel".  No longer would we need a Super Game Boy/Transfer Pak/Game Boy Player to play our handheld games on the big screen!

(Okay, maybe not.  That would still require a DS for the touch screen, and you'd have to look where you're touching.  Though I'd always hoped for some way to output DS video to a big screen, so I could do a proper presentation of Brain Age at work, for example, or other instances where you want to show people what you're doing.)

Yeah, the secret's probably some channel.  But what kind of channel?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2006, 08:19:27 PM
Nobody thinks it could be big exclusive game announcements? (DQIX)
or maybe an earlier than expected release? (Nov. 2nd) (i know its not gonna happen)
isn't there a Nintendo Show for Wii coming up sometime this week or next?

nah you guys are probably right, I'm sure its some new Wii Channel or softrware feature that was never elaborated on. I could almost guarantee that its nothing to get worked up about.
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Post by: IceCold on October 30, 2006, 08:57:13 PM
DivX playback capabilities on the video channel. I can dream..
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Post by: JonLeung on October 31, 2006, 05:28:27 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
DivX playback capabilities on the video channel. I can dream..


Isn't that mostly handy for pirated videos and porn?

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Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 05:41:37 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Isn't that mostly handy for pirated videos and porn?


What about the "One handed controller" bit didn't tip you off?
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Post by: AnyoneEB on November 01, 2006, 05:56:55 AM
JonLeung: Uh, you actually still use physical DVDs? Weirdo.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 13, 2006, 07:48:31 AM
Looks like the DVD rumor came true. I'm still not sure why they announced it, then took it away, then announced it again for a later date.
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Post by: JonLeung on November 13, 2006, 07:53:41 AM
Hopefully it's just a software/firmware upgrade, so I can play "My Plaything: Stacy Valentine" on my Wii without having to buy another one.

What did I say?  I mean..."Transformers: The Movie - 20th Anniversary Special Edition".  Yeah, that.

Too.
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Post by: Strell on November 13, 2006, 10:04:36 AM
Playing porn on my Wii will be fun in a very, very ironic sense.
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Post by: JonLeung on November 13, 2006, 11:16:34 AM
I could always put a bunch of images and videos on an SD card and mess with the Photo Channel.  (It was once joked that I could put porn on any device, though I've yet to do it with a toaster as someone suggested.)
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Post by: SgtShiversBen on November 13, 2006, 11:30:37 AM
All you have to do is just tape a paper of Victoria Silvestead and there you go.  Or embed it in the toast.
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Post by: JonLeung on November 13, 2006, 12:08:25 PM
I'm pretty sure it's "Silvstedt".

Anyway, I'm glad the camera I bought before my trip to LA for E3 uses SD cards.  So the first set of photos I can browse on the Photo Channel will be of me playing the Wii for the first time, six months ago.  It's like one of those trippy looking-glass situations.  Or something.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 05, 2006, 05:58:25 AM
Are we allowed to quote GoNintendo.com?

well anyway, here goes...

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“Something big is coming to the Virtual Console, something that, for the past decade, certain corners of the retro community have been crying out for. I wish I could say more, but the uncertainties of publishing schedules prevents me from spilling the beans too early. Nevertheless, if what we’ve heard turns out to be true, the virtual console is about to become a lot more interesting and looks like it might turn out to be much more valuable to dedicated retro gamers than we first thought.”


First thing that comes to mind would be Goldeneye 64 and hopefully with online multi-player, but that would be too goog to be true, so we can rule that out.
Anyone got any guesses?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 05, 2006, 06:03:28 AM
Chrono Trigger

EDIT:  LAFFO nintendo64 is retro?  it's only been 10 something years since it came out somewhat barely maybe sorta slightly yeah.  
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 05, 2006, 06:11:33 AM
Well it could be Neo Geo games, or Nintendo/Sega Arcade games. Eathbound? Enhaced* Classic games in addition to the untouched originals.

*(online, new grafix, better framerates)
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Post by: PaLaDiN on December 05, 2006, 06:22:09 AM
Sin & Punishment.
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Post by: vudu on December 05, 2006, 06:23:33 AM
The Factory Level of Donkey Kong.
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Post by: bustin98 on December 05, 2006, 06:25:58 AM
I'm throwing my hat in the 'Goldeneye' ring. What else have people been asking for over the past 10 years? And I'm sure many people here are familiar with the many atempts to bring it out as a mod using various gaming engines, the most recent using the Source Engine.

What a coup if Goldeneye had online multiplayer. I'd be spastic. Of course, it would be better if the Wii-mote worked with it, but I won't be picky.
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Post by: JonLeung on December 05, 2006, 06:37:24 AM
When they say things like "the virtual console is about to become a lot more interesting" I hope it's more than just one game (no matter how great) or even a series.  Because unless you're a fan of that particular game or series, it doesn't really make the VC that much more interesting.  Of course we're picking at semantics here but I wouldn't say it like that unless it meant some kind of new feature overall.

Like online multiplayer.  How hard would it be for some "blanket" emulator feature to accept input from another person's online Wii as the 2P input?  Seriously!  Yet that simple thing would make a lot of games much more fun.

Maybe a whole new console. Neo-Geo and arcade games do sound like good choices but you'd think the "retro community" wouldn't be averse to using MAME because they don't have a legal alternative.  Unless they're saying that this is the legal alternative they've been waiting for, but arcade purists will probably want a classic joystick then.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 05, 2006, 06:43:21 AM
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Maybe a whole new console. Neo-Geo and arcade games do sound like good choices but you'd think the "retro community" wouldn't be averse to using MAME because they don't have a legal alternative. Unless they're saying that this is the legal alternative they've been waiting for, but arcade purists will probably want a classic joystick then.
But there were Arcade Joysticks for the GC and I'm sure there will be Arcade Joysticks to attach to the Wiimote soon too.
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Post by: Smoke39 on December 05, 2006, 06:46:56 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Like online multiplayer.  How hard would it be for some "blanket" emulator feature to accept input from another person's online Wii as the 2P input?  Seriously!

Um, yeah, good luck keeping everyone's game in sync without programming game-specific lag-compensation.
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Post by: couchmonkey on December 05, 2006, 06:53:52 AM
I'm going to argue on the idea of online multiplayer simply because I don't think Nintendo is ready yet.  I believe online multiplayer will debut with Wii games before it debuts on VC.

My guess is that it will turn out to be nothing, but if something does come of this rumour...let's see.  I don't think Chrono Trigger or any other rare but actually released game is valuable to retro gamers.  To me it would have to be a new system (Neo Geo) or a game that never saw the light of day in North America.  I shouldn't dare to dream, but...Sin and Punishment or Mother?</fantasy>

Edit: Or perhaps it will be some type of feature.  A library listing all possible VC games?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 05, 2006, 06:55:35 AM
Game Boy Colour
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Post by: Smoke39 on December 05, 2006, 07:00:02 AM
The ability to organize your games in subchannels (e.g., all SNES games in an SNES channel). o:

Or maybe the ability to customize games' button mappings. O:
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Post by: decoyman on December 05, 2006, 07:01:44 AM
I tend to think it must be either:
1. A series appearing on VC that hasn't been revisited for a long time, such as Chrono Trigger or Secret of Mana. OR
2. An unreleased (but nearly finished) game, such as Mother 3.

But blanket online play for VC games would be pretty cool too, though i'm not sure it's technically feasible.
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Post by: Smoke39 on December 05, 2006, 07:03:39 AM
Mother 3 was completed and has been out in Japan for a while now...
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 05, 2006, 07:03:53 AM
screw all that, it's NGage coming to rock the Wii house.
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Post by: Rhoq on December 05, 2006, 07:24:04 AM
I'm going to guess that it's not a game per se, but support for additional systems on the virtual console (ie. ColecoVision, Intellivision, Commodore 64 and maybe even Atari 2600).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 05, 2006, 07:24:26 AM
"Edit: Or perhaps it will be some type of feature. A library listing all possible VC games? "

A VC Most Wanted Poll?
I could see that working to a certain extent.

A monthly list of about 100 or so games(some popular some not)* get voted on and 5-10 of those get released every week from the Top 50 or so chosen/voted games. Every month the 100 list get reshuffled and some of the higher voted stragglers get left on and lots of new choices show up. Sounds like a plan, and a good way for Nintendo to keep the players involved and aware and keep VC sales up at the same time.


*all chosen by Nintendo of course
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Post by: ryancoke on December 05, 2006, 07:43:23 AM
I agree with Rhoq, I think it will be the addition of other non-nintendo platforms.  Atari, Intellevision, Colecovision, etc.  I would love if Nintendo released free dev kits to the homebrew community for free VC games.  Or if Nintendo brought new DS games to the VC. I'm dying to play New Super Mario Bros, but i'm not going to buy a DS.
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Post by: Crimm on December 05, 2006, 07:51:08 AM
I'm going to vote it is just more GoNintendo shenanigans.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 05, 2006, 08:03:22 AM
I think the "ten years" comment suggests something that hasn't been localized in North America getting translated.  Something like the missing Dragon Quests or Fire Emblem.  Unless "ten years" is just a dumb choice of words.

It can't be Goldeneye because it came out in 1997, less than ten years ago.  And a re-release of Goldeneye has only become a really big "fantasy game" since Rare left Nintendo and thus created the weird scenario of the publisher, developer, and licenced property itself all being seperated from each other.

Something like Neo-Geo games on the VC also isn't ten years old.  Features specific to the VC itself have only been in demand since the concept was annouced which was probably not even two years ago.

"Ten years" suggests that this is something we've wanted since well before the VC was annouced.

"Or if Nintendo brought new DS games to the VC. I'm dying to play New Super Mario Bros, but i'm not going to buy a DS."

I'd rather have a DS player so I don't have to rebuy my games.  Plus that would make way more sense for Nintendo.  VC DS sales eating into their DS game sales wouldn't be very good.  They want you to own two different systems or at the very least buy a piece of hardware for your Wii.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 05, 2006, 08:06:17 AM
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To sum up/recap the hints given on the rllmuk forum:

- Around a decade old
- Not a Sega or Nintendo game
- Not for a system supported by the VC currently
- Not of Japanese origin
- Not on THIS LIST

Retro Gamer mag will have an exclusive on the announcement, so it's bound to be something European and once-cancelled. I bet it's a left-for-dead Amiga title.

that should narrow it down.

"I agree with Rhoq, I think it will be the addition of other non-nintendo platforms."
not to nit-pick but I believe I brough the inclusion on non-nintendo platform 1st w/ Neo-geo or Arcade or something. [/nit-picking] :P
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Post by: NeoThunder on December 05, 2006, 08:11:23 AM
I would think it's the addition of a new system, atari 2600 sounds probable....however, how much would you be willing to spend on 2600 games, I know I would rather spend my money on better games.   Nintendo DS will never make it's way to VC, give it up.  Now download station, maybe....I'd love to see that.  The polling question I would love to see too....it would make it so the games people want to buy would make their way to the VC.
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Post by: D_MaN87 on December 05, 2006, 08:12:45 AM
I can't handle the anticipation!  when will it be announced?!  it better be something good though.
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Post by: Louieturkey on December 05, 2006, 08:13:27 AM
Maybe that Castlevania game for the PC Engine, Rondo Blood or something like that.  Isn't that considered one of the best Castlevania's ever and it never showed up here?
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Post by: The Omen on December 05, 2006, 08:56:58 AM
I think it's Neo Geo.  Those games used to sell for $200, so not nearly enough people played them.  It's not like SNK is making any money off them now, so charging $10 on the VC will make everyone happy.  Yes, I know 10 is a little high, but for something pretty rare, I would pay it.
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Post by: JonLeung on December 05, 2006, 10:02:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Maybe that Castlevania game for the PC Engine, Rondo Blood or something like that.  Isn't that considered one of the best Castlevania's ever and it never showed up here?


Rondo Of Blood, or Chi no Rondo.  Somehow Zeric (great mapper, BTW) managed to map that game recently and the maps are now on my web site (VGMaps.com).  Just the other day it was number 1 on a daily GameFAQs top ten list (funny, I never usually read those) of the top ten games for consoles you've never owned.  Supposedly it comes right before Symphony Of The Night (I think the ending is SoTN's intro), but it's more linear like all the previous CastleVania games were.

I don't think that would be this particular big deal in question, but it would be sweet for that game to be more accessible.  Only problem is, a torrent shows that this game is like 400 MB.  Or at least its imagefile, I don't know how compressed it could be or how much of that is wasted space.  It was on the PC Engine CD thingy so it's quite unlikely as most CD games would be.
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Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2006, 10:24:51 AM
All this hype for what will turn out to be a search feature.

It's Mame.  Thats the only thing that would make the VC "very interesting".  Legal Arcade emulation would rock.
Also PS1 as a Virtual Console system would be something "really interesting."
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Post by: The Traveller on December 05, 2006, 11:13:24 AM
Could it be the infamous Virtual Boy?
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Post by: The Traveller on December 05, 2006, 11:13:45 AM
Delete this double post
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Post by: Strell on December 05, 2006, 11:26:59 AM
I predict this will be a massive letdown.

After the "big secret at launch" debacle, I don't buy into secrets anymore.

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Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2006, 11:41:11 AM
Virtual Boy would be wonderful but most people wouldn't care.
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Post by: JonLeung on December 05, 2006, 02:50:12 PM
The point of Virtual Boy games is to play them on a Virtual Boy, even if it'll sear your eyes out.
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Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2006, 03:23:06 PM
Yes, but I challenge you to find me a replacement one.  Also the games.  I mean seriously few people have ever known the goodness of the Virtual Boy Searing.
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Post by: JonLeung on December 06, 2006, 02:02:05 AM
I was already a total Nintendo fanboy before that time, but even I was hesitant about the Virtual Boy.  So I just rented it (along with Red Alarm and Teleroboxer).  I ignored the many of the ocassional in-game "take a break" warnings.  I probably shouldn't've.  Even though I doubt it caused any serious and/or permanent damage, the warnings are there for a reason (probably to cover Nintendo's butt) but at the very least I didn't want to look at anything red for the next couple days.

Weren't there only a dozen or so VB games?  Other than Teleroboxer I was only interested in Mario Clash (not sure if that ever came out, but wasn't that shown in a WarioWare game?), Wario Land VB (or was it Wario Cruise?), and maybe the original Mario Tennis.
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Post by: Rhoq on December 06, 2006, 02:10:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Strell
I predict this will be a massive letdown.

After the "big secret at launch" debacle, I don't buy into secrets anymore.




That was just people on the various forums making sh*t up by twisting Reggie's words around.
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Post by: ryancoke on December 06, 2006, 02:31:22 AM
I bet the big secret is downloadable episodes of the Super Mario Brothers Super Show!  That would rule...

"Well excuuuuuussse me princess"   Classic
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Post by: JonLeung on December 06, 2006, 02:46:46 AM
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Originally posted by: ryancoke
I bet the big secret is downloadable episodes of the Super Mario Brothers Super Show!  That would rule...
"Well excuuuuuussse me princess"   Classic
I thought the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and The Legend Of Zelda cartoon DVDs were produced by Sony BMG/Entertainment/something or other so wouldn't it be more likely as PS3 downloadable content?

I like Zelda's voice in that show ( o_0 ) but Twilight Princess Zelda is now the hottest Zelda IMO.
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Post by: Strell on December 06, 2006, 08:36:12 AM
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Originally posted by: Rhoq

That was just people on the various forums making sh*t up by twisting Reggie's words around.


This is truth, but I imagine the same thing could be going on here.

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Post by: JonLeung on December 06, 2006, 08:50:14 AM
Following up on that GamesTM rumour about something going down with the Virtual Console...
It's not a console game, and it's not from Japan.

What does that leave us with?  Not many of the guesses so far.  Computer/arcade games of the non-Japanese variety are left, I guess.
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Post by: ryancoke on December 06, 2006, 09:03:30 AM
i hope it's not something wiitarded like the arcade version of Pong. That would be a huge let down. Although with all the hype about this "mystery game" i'm sure it will be somewhat of a letdown at least to the fanboyz  
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 06, 2006, 09:41:27 AM
If it ain't a console game and it ain't from Japan then I'm really not all that interested.

I really can't imagine any non-Japanese arcade/PC/portable games being released on the VC being a huge deal.  At least nothing that compares to how the rumour was worded.

Has there been some non-Japanese arcade/PC/portable game that hasn't been playable for a long period of time?  A lot of classic PC games are really hard or just outright impossible to play on modern XP machines so I guess a title like that arriving on the VC would be a pretty big deal.  But a lot of the big titles have been re-released in some form on compilations that work on XP machines or fans have made their own workarounds.

Maybe it's Star Control II.  Technically that was released on a the 3DO console but it is originally a computer game and it's American and it has been hyped for years as one of the best games of all time.  I know there was some project involving the source code from the 3DO game to get something that works on modern PCs but I don't know if it ever worked out.  This just popped into my head a second ago though and I have no faith at all in that guess.

I wouldn't be surprised if the result was in fact a console game (or had been ported to a console at some point) made in Japan in which demand has existed for far less than ten years.  A lot of people are idiots and don't do enough research.  Hell for a second I was trying to think of an American arcade game I would want localized and the first games I thought of were X-Men and WWF Wrestlefest.  Both of them have American licences but are made by Japanese companies so at first thought I thought they qualified.  You kind of assume a WWF game is American, you know?  The guy giving the clues might be doing the same thing.  And gaming years are like dog years and half the time when someone says "10 years" they don't realize the game is much newer than that (or older).  I've seen some really out there dates thrown around for past release dates.
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Post by: Louieturkey on December 06, 2006, 09:52:02 AM
Maybe it's NBA Jam (of course, that is older than 10 years and it's been ported a bunch, but the arcade perfect version might be coming).  You never can tell.

Or else it's a computer game that never was ported to a console.  Don't know any that are 10 years old that could actually be under 512MB though.
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Post by: ryancoke on December 06, 2006, 09:58:58 AM
Maybe it's Doom?  It would be pretty cool if they included it with online support.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 06, 2006, 10:05:07 AM
"Maybe it's Doom? It would be pretty cool if they included it with online support."

Doom with online support would be nice but I got my brother the Doom Collector's Edition for Christmas and it plays perfectly on XP.  Doom is a classic that totally holds up but it would be a real letdown if that's what the secret game was.  It is easy as hell to have a working version of that game and legally too.

A general PC emulator though for DOS games that don't work on XP would be a pretty big deal.  Maybe that's it.  Retro game communities sure as hell have wanted an easy solution for playing those games for a while now.  Though without a keyboard and mouse who really cares?  Retro PC games with console controls aren't going to be so hot.
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Post by: JonLeung on December 06, 2006, 10:05:26 AM
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Originally posted by: ryancoke
Maybe it's Doom?  It would be pretty cool if they included it with online support.
Isn't the original Doom (or DOOM, whatever) on Xbox Live Arcade now with online support?  Whoever started this particular rumour makes it sound like it's something that hasn't been done before.  So I would guess that anything on XBLA is out.
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Post by: vudu on December 07, 2006, 06:32:07 AM
Myst?
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Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2006, 06:40:51 AM
MAME: multiple arcade machine emulator?

There are many arcade roms which have no means of distribution and if Nintendo were to buy out the MAME project, they'd have access to an emulator which already runs well over a thousand arcade roms, including old favorites like TMNT and the Simpsons, both by Konami.

EDIT: Rereading the quote, I'm betting it's the ability to download VC games onto your DS and play them there.

You have to figure that the DS storage memory is likely more than enough to handle most any VC game so it's definitely an option for them.
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Post by: vudu on December 07, 2006, 06:47:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
MAME: multiple arcade machine emulator?
How big are old-school arcade ROMS?
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Post by: Smash_Brother on December 07, 2006, 07:28:07 AM
Depends.

The oldest are under 10k. Newer ones can be about 12 MB (Golden Axe, Revenge of the Death Adder) and ones which include video and such can be much larger.
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Post by: Pale on December 07, 2006, 07:52:15 AM
I haven't read this rumor all that much.  Something about VC support for a classic set of games that isn't for a console currently supported and isn't Japanese?

Has anyone said anything about it being SCUMM?

I think that would rock pretty hard.  Point and click games with Wii pointer support?
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 07, 2006, 08:05:01 AM
That reminds me.  As long as we're being hopeful, maybe it's an honest-to-goodness confirmation of the new episodic Sam and Max game coming to the Wii.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: SixthAngel on December 07, 2006, 08:52:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
I haven't read this rumor all that much.  Something about VC support for a classic set of games that isn't for a console currently supported and isn't Japanese?

Has anyone said anything about it being SCUMM?

I think that would rock pretty hard.  Point and click games with Wii pointer support?


This is the first thing I thought of.  Sam and Max, Monkey Island, and all that jazz.  I want to see Grimm Fandango brought to the vc though.  That game was awesome.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: capamerica on December 07, 2006, 09:17:31 AM
point n' click PC adveture games sounds like the most logical one.
I would have said MAME but the "Not of Japanese origin" pretty much ended that.

When I first read the story I thought it could have been one of these:
- Final Fantasy VII on the VC since FFVII came out in 1997 it would make it close to 10 years old. Thou the built-in memeory wouldn't really suport it, maybe by then Nintendo would alow you to run games off of a USB or SD card.

- SNK NEO-GEO, It came out in 1990 and its a retro gamers dream. And SNK has mentioned that they were in talks with Nintendo about suporting the VC

- MAME, Arcade games would be a pretty safe bet, I mean MS has arcade games.

- Apple Pippin games, Yes all 20(give or take) games for it.

- Classic PC FPS (Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: ryancoke on December 07, 2006, 10:24:29 AM
Taking a cue from the success of Doom on XBLA, nintendo will bring us Rise of the Triad online.  ROTT was soooo awesome!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: Smoke39 on December 07, 2006, 01:36:56 PM
I'd rather see Blood.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: Strell on December 07, 2006, 01:59:29 PM
F that.

ROTT FTMFW.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: Ceric on December 07, 2006, 04:17:02 PM
Doesn't Arcade games have American roots?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: Crimm on December 07, 2006, 07:16:12 PM
GUYS!  I FIGURED IT OUT!

Hotel Mario on the VC.

I can't wait to close the koopalings' doors!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 07, 2006, 07:55:24 PM
They should put the whole King's Quest/Space Quest/Police Quest/Gabriel Knight/7th Guest/Myst series on the VC.
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Post by: Strell on December 08, 2006, 12:13:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Crimm
GUYS!  I FIGURED IT OUT!

Hotel Mario on the VC.

I can't wait to close the koopalings' doors!


All toasters toast toast FTW?
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Post by: Athrun Zala on December 08, 2006, 12:49:10 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
That reminds me.  As long as we're being hopeful, maybe it's an honest-to-goodness confirmation of the new episodic Sam and Max game coming to the Wii.
I thought it was already confirmed with with all the "we want to release it for Wii but lack devkits" and Nintendo contacting them later...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: couchmonkey on December 08, 2006, 03:01:29 AM
Atari Jaguar = Alien vs. Predator.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 11, 2006, 06:58:05 AM
Rumors from the New EGM (Jan 07)

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Mii Crossing. Mii's will be your avatar in the next Animal Crossing. All the shirts and accessories you collect will cross over to other games.

Sticky Balls. The New Katamari that is coming to Wii (PS3 & XBLA)


question. How often do EGM rumors turn out to be true?  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/05/2006)
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 11, 2006, 06:59:49 AM
Oh man, EGM is REAAAAALLY stretching with the Animal Crossing Mii rumour... *rolls eyes*

(I don't really understand what they mean by having accessories "cross over to other games" though...Do they mean that it'll save onto the flash memory so your Miis will appear with the accessories in the Mii Channel?)
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Crimm on December 11, 2006, 11:00:38 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Rumors from the New EGM (Jan 07)

question. How often do EGM rumors turn out to be true?


About as often as Kotaku does legitimate journalism.
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Post by: Ceric on December 11, 2006, 11:15:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
They should put the whole King's Quest/Space Quest/Police Quest/Gabriel Knight/7th Guest/Myst series on the VC.


Hero's Quest.  I would like to play Space Quest again.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Strell on December 11, 2006, 11:20:55 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1


question. How often do EGM rumors turn out to be true?


I've asked this myself before, and the answer I got was "not very."

What else have they suggested in the last 6 months?  I can name a few - Earthbound compilation on DS and 30 games in Wii Sports.  Neither of which came close to happening.  I imagine the EB one could still happen, but I really doubt it at this point.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 11, 2006, 03:58:33 PM
I don't believe EGM rumors.  Go back into time with EGM and most aren't true.  

That being said...Animal Crossing Shirts spreading to other games with Miis would be awesome.  It would require a Mii upgrade but that could be included in the Animal Crossing game, and it would ensure that Animal Crossing Wii sold to everybody.  

Fun fact about EGM.  Once upon a time they had Psycho Letters.  Basically really stupid letters that people wrote about games.  Well before Mortal Kombat 3 came out, my friends and I wrote a letter to EGM that got published.  It was a song for Mortal Kombat 3 to the tune of Be Our Guest from Beauty and the Beast.

"Be my Guest, Be my Guest
Rip my heart out of my Chest
as we Perform the Mortal Kombat Moves which we know are the Best."  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Crimm on December 11, 2006, 04:48:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
That being said...Animal Crossing Shirts spreading to other games with Miis would be awesome.  It would require a Mii upgrade but that could be included in the Animal Crossing game, and it would ensure that Animal Crossing Wii sold to everybody.  



Well if you look at the Mii homescreen a Mii in the front has a hat.  So maybe our AC clothes could be picked up by our Miis.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: JonLeung on December 12, 2006, 06:31:19 AM
If something like Animal Crossing accessories can't be stored in the same data files as the Miis themselves, they could at least have other games read the Animal Crossing save data and work from there.

I like games that read saves from other games, and there should be more of them.  Lost Kingdoms II reads Lost Kingdoms, and LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy reads LEGO Star Wars, and in both cases a lot is unlocked.  (And even though it's not much, Naruto: Clash Of Ninja 2 checks to see if there's a Naruto: Clash Of Ninja save, SSBM checks for a Pikmin save, MGS/MGS: Twin Snakes has some fun with other games saved, etc.)  As a reward for playing previous games or related games, I always wish there was more!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 12, 2006, 06:38:13 AM
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Mii Crossing. Mii's will be your avatar in the next Animal Crossing. All the shirts and accessories you collect will cross over to other games.


Am I the only one who sees this as a no-brainer? Why have the Miis to represent you when the game which is supposed to represent YOU more than anything (Animal Crossing) is still using little midget people  which look nothing like you?

I'll be surprised if the new AC DOESN'T use Miis to represent you.

And it actually would be possible for the Miis to have accessories. Nintendo just needs to update the Mii Channel to include them via firmware download (which is along the lines of what WC24 was supposed to promise anyway).

The Miis would still appear as normal on other consoles without the update. It could all work rather easily.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: JonLeung on December 12, 2006, 06:42:43 AM
If Nintendo can update the Mii Channel without the fear of how non-updated Wiis will see the Miis, then I think they should add more hair colours.  How am I going to create Jade (BG&E), Jessie (Pokémon), Rei (Evangelion), Ulala (Space Channel 5) if they don't have greenish, red, light blue, or purple hair?

And skin colours.  How am I going to make Dot (ReBoot) if I don't have green skin?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: vudu on December 12, 2006, 06:54:17 AM
Green skin may be pushing it; but I don't think red hair is too much to ask for.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 12, 2006, 07:16:21 AM
Speaking of Mii accessories and getting them fomr Mii Crossing, wouldn't it be kinda neat if you earn accessories/features by certain accomplishment from games(like trophies in SSBM) and be able to display them on your Mii. Sort of like a souvenier or something.

i.e. Unlocking a pair of overalls from SMG, or the Mario/Luigi nose so that you can create a Mario/Luigi Mii.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 03, 2007, 01:58:19 AM
Ok, so GoNintendo has posted two new rumors.

1)Dragon Quest Swords will be a new pack in game for the Wii sometime this year.
2)Nintendo is about to make a huge announcement some time this month.  Possibly as soon as this week.

Pretty cheesy rumors I know.  Here are my thoughts on them.

The first rumor is very unlikely, unless Nintendo is out right buying the game from SquareEnix because otherwise they would make a killing on that game.  If this is true, actually expect the cost of the Wii to go UP for the Wii pack in instead of down.  And also expect this only to occur in Japan.  This pack in would not go over as well for Nintendo in America.

The second rumor seems to be a continuation story with the first rumor.  Perhaps to give it more validity but, lets say it is not.  What other announcements could be made?

1)Metroid Prime being released early and with online play (very pausible.)
2)Nintendo grabbing a new exclusive game series?
3)Virtual Console announcements either new system added or some really big games about to be released.
4)New Channels or New Wii Firmware upgrade coming soon.  
5) Something else entirely.

Of those possibilities all are probable.  Though, I would predict that 1 or 3 would be the most likely.  As they are easier for Nintendo to pull off successfully and would be pretty big announcements.

The Wii Firmware upgrade we know will be coming eventually.  Nintendo has stated they want to make load times quicker within the channels and startup. People are desiring a sub-channel system for virtual console games.  A better memory management with the SD Cards would be nice.  Finally, Nintendo could figure a work around for getting the virtual console controllers to work the Gamecube games.  There must be a way.  

Finally, just to tease something else.

It would be cool if the Mii channel got an actual upgrade.  Ears, more colors, hairstyles, and perhaps the ability to have two favorite colors to coordinate your wardrobe better.  

So, let the speculation begin as it always does with new rumors.

(by the way, my bet is on none of this happening.)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Artimus on January 03, 2007, 03:51:07 AM
Spak, the DQS thing isn't unreasonable. SEnix releases bundles frequently with their games. Final Fantasy III had one on the DS, for example.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 03, 2007, 04:59:50 AM
Artimus:  That is true...it isn't completely unreasonable.  But It was also only available in Japan.  Which makes it less of a big announcement.  Personally, I think it would be a great move for Nintendo, and would help cement the Wii as a success in Japan.  And Nintendo could be able to release the Wii with DQS in Japan for $250.00 (don't know the conversion rate) instead of the lower price they have now.



Personally, I would like one nice firmware upgrade for the Wii to come out sometime next year that handles most of the problems in one single upgrade.  That way Nintendo can allow you to download it online...or have it in game stores to pick up for free...like they do with their demo advertisement discs.

I would love the upgrade to include the following:

1)  Better Memory Management from SD Cards.  Including playing VC games from the SD Cards and game saves from the SD Cards.

2)  Mii upgrade with ears, more colors (for everything) Two favorite colors for clothing, and I would be happy with that alone...but more options for everything would be good.  Oh and more importantly 200 Mii saves...because I am already running out of room.

3)  Virtual Console Sub-channels...or the ability to make your own sub-channels.  Personally, I think you would only need them to go down one level, but once they do that sub-channel has 3 pages to it, just like the regular Channels have 3 pages worth.

4)  200 Wii Friend limit instead of 100.  

As for other announcement possibilities for the rumor.  IF and I stress a BIG IF.  If the rumors are true, I would place my money on a Metroid Prime 3 announcement.

I see the game coming out First Quarter 07 and support online play.  Reggie made a comment saying we would be playing a online game early in 07.  And to me the best Americanized game to bring online is Metroid.  Finally, the announcement could come with an invitation to play the game at the Nintendo Store or something special.  

By the way....I can't believe nobody remembers those stupid psycho letter in EGM.

 
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: vudu on January 03, 2007, 06:24:45 AM
DQS won't be the pack-in game, but it could very well be a bundled together with a limited edition Wii (much like the FF3 DSL bundle).  It would sell like hotcakes in Japan.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Kairon on January 03, 2007, 06:28:59 AM
DQS might actually make SENSE to be a pack-in game. That way, Square can move even more units of it, since people won't be given the chance to judge the game on its own merits as a DQ-branded swordfighting elements of Red Steel.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Louieturkey on January 03, 2007, 06:38:47 AM
DQS may happen, though only in Japan.  It definitely won't happen in the US (well, not definite but highly unlikely).  It just isn't a popular enough franchise in the US to warrant a pack-in.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: segagamer12 on January 03, 2007, 06:45:17 AM
so doesn anyone keep track of when a rumor comes true or is proven false? We need to go back and edit all the posts with updates when a rumor gets confirmed or denied officially. That would make the thread more usefull.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Requiem on January 03, 2007, 07:06:38 AM
Well, since SB isn't here, i'll tell you what he thinks about the second rumor (and of course, what I think).

Itunes Channel for Wii.....
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Ghisy on January 03, 2007, 07:46:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
Itunes Channel for Wii.....

YUCK!!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 03, 2007, 09:14:23 AM
I agree an itunes channel or any download MP3 service for the Wii would suck.

I would not want any part of it.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2007, 10:21:29 AM
I'd say there's a very good chance the DQS bundle will happen in Japan. It helps both companies. Nintendo can't possibly pass up the opportunity to sell thousands of special addition Wiis which would ultimately lead to greater consumer and developer confidence.

Also, I remember the Psycho Letter of the Month in EGM. I subcribed for like 7 years. You need to something to read on the crapper. The magazine slowly declined in quality after Ed Semrad stepped down as Editor in Chief. Dan Hsu is just terrible. What the hell happened to the previews section?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2007, 10:43:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Ok, so GoNintendo has posted two new rumors.

1)Dragon Quest Swords will be a new pack in game for the Wii sometime this year.
2)Nintendo is about to make a huge announcement some time this month.  Possibly as soon as this week.
Quote

Originally posted by: Requiem
Well, since SB isn't here, i'll tell you what he thinks about the second rumor (and of course, what I think).

Itunes Channel for Wii.....
Don't forget that CES (Consumer Electronics Show) is this month(next week?) and it supposedly taking on more exhibitors since E3 has been castrated. Apple is rumored to be making a rather large annoucement about something new and Nintendo is rumored to be present at the show.  


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Originally posted by: segagamer12
so doesn anyone keep track of when a rumor comes true or is proven false? We need to go back and edit all the posts with updates when a rumor gets confirmed or denied officially. That would make the thread more usefull.

07/09/2006
-An Actual Pokemon RPG may be in the works (?)
-A WiiDS connectivity game is in the works (true)
-Lots of side-quest still being added to Zelda: Twilight Princess (true?)
-Tingle is also in Zelda: Twilight Princess (true?)
-Many peripherals are in the works and a Mic may even be added to the Wiimote (true and false)

7/14/2006
If DQ Wii and DQ DS sell well then Dragon Quest IX will be exclusive for Wii (false, it ended up on DS)

07/25/2006
-Wii could be more powerful than we have been led to believe(Broadway 1.5ghz & Hollywood 555mhz) (false)

7/31/2006
Official Nintendo docs leaked to reveal Wii specs? (true, I think)

8/04/2006
Sources close to Nintendo of Europe tell IGN that the company is underway with a sequel to the hit GameCube sports title Super Mario Strikers. Furthermore, insiders allege that the title could be unveiled later this month at the Games Convention 2006 in Leipzig, Germany (this happened right?)

08/11/2006
- Possible delay for Metroid Prime 3 (true)
- Dragon Quest Swords probably not going to make launch (true)
- THQ Wii exclusive event next Tuesday (true, but it wasn't Wii exclusive)

8/15/2006
- Larger order of chips = lower price for Nintendo (makes sense)
- Wii could launch @ $199 US (it could have)
- Nintendo developing Brain & Diet Training games for Wii (true?)
- BT & DT aimed for pre Christmas release (didn't happen)

08/27/2006
Sept. 14th Nintendo will reveal the last secret of the Wii (I've heard no secret)
The last secret is a Head Mounted Display (false?)
Disaster: Day of Crisis is the first game to use this HMD (?)
Disaster is to release in January 2007 (it could still happen...)

thats not all the rumors, but those are the ones I could mostly confirm or deny so far.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 03, 2007, 12:04:44 PM
Adrock:  EGM used to be the premier video game magazine.  I remember loving it for many many years.  Though I never got my T-Shirt for my letter.

The only Magazine that ever surpassed it was Next Generation, which was more of an insider magazine, but was awesome.

BlackNMild:  That run down seems correct.  Thanks.



Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: IceCold on January 03, 2007, 05:20:51 PM
I don't think it will be a pack-in. They'll probably have a "special edition" Wii, like vudu said, for DQS, but when was the last time a third party game was truly packed in with a Nintendo console? Has that ever happened?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 03, 2007, 05:33:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
Well, since SB isn't here, i'll tell you what he thinks about the second rumor (and of course, what I think).

Itunes Channel for Wii.....


Macworld San Francisco = Jan 11th.

Steve Jobs might just drop the MEGATOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!

Also, bundle, yes. Pack in, no.

Why pack in a product which won't have ANY problem selling on its own?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 12/11/2006)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 06, 2007, 10:23:49 AM
http://ruliweb.empas.com/ruliboard/r...&left=b&time=0

- From Software is developing a Kingsfieldesque 1st person action RPG on Wii

- Fire Emblem Wii has two parts... The first part is the original Fire Emblem Path of Radiance*..

- Nights Wii

- Square Enix and Disney agreed to put the next Kingdom Hearts on Nintendo Consoles

- Swords of Legendia will be the first game of the Swords of series.. a Spinoff series of the Tales of series..


*From GAF: IS did this with the SNES version of Fire Emblem.. i think it was called mystery of the emblem or something

also wasn't it memtioned somewhere else that a 1st person Kingsfield-esque game was coming to Wii?

I have never heard one rumor pop up more than the NiGHTS for Wii rumor. I hope Sega comments on it soon.

assuming the KH rumor is true, I hope they bring out a KH compilation first, as I haven't even played the first two games.

oh, and I hope the Fire Emblem rumor is true too, cause I was gonna buy FE:PoR the other day, but it turned out to not be on sale, and also not is stock. This will save me a purchase.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/06/2007)
Post by: Louieturkey on January 06, 2007, 11:32:55 AM
I'd buy FE and KH both.  I might get the King's Field game if it turns out to be good.  I'm guessing it'll be more than a DQS clone.

Of course, the next KH game could be on DS as well.  That would make more sense anyways with Chain of Memories on the GBA.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/06/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 06, 2007, 11:43:45 AM
- From Software is developing a Kingsfieldesque 1st person action RPG on Wii

Very possible considering we already know From Software is making a Wii RPG...

Fire Emblem Wii has two parts... The first part is the original Fire Emblem Path of Radiance

Not the first time IS has done it, also very possible...

Nights Wii

I'm sick of seeing rumours on this, JUST COME TRUE ALREADY! >=O

Square Enix and Disney agreed to put the next Kingdom Hearts on Nintendo Consoles

I see this happening...DQIX coming to DS had less chance of coming true than this...

Swords of Legendia will be the first game of the Swords of series.. a Spinoff series of the Tales of series..

Namco whoring the Tales franchise some more?  Big surprise...

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/06/2007)
Post by: Requiem on January 06, 2007, 12:01:57 PM
Is it just me, or have rumors been getting lamer and lamer?

Who cares if any of this happens, except for maybe NiGHTS?

None of these game will use the Wiimote to some other level we have yet to see (except for maybe NiGHTS) and therefore, I can't be interested in these rumors.

That's not to say I wouldn't be interested if they were true announcements, but as rumors.........they suck.....  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/06/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 06, 2007, 12:10:55 PM
I'm interested in pretty much all of these for one reason or another!  I have a bizarre obsession with the Action/RPG genre, I want to play Path of Radiance but I won't get it if I get the game in the Wii version, Nights is bloody NIGHTS, having Kingdom Hearts would be another nail in the coffin for Sony, and I'm interested in seeing just how Swords of Legendia turns out...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/06/2007)
Post by: Crimm on January 06, 2007, 02:54:19 PM
Namco: We can try to be Enix too!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/06/2007)
Post by: Strell on January 06, 2007, 04:20:01 PM
Just give us NiGHTS: Swords of NiGHTS already!  

You know it's happening.  Deep in your heart....you know.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/06/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2007, 04:25:55 AM
Quote

so, this is all just a rumor and maybe a page trying to get some hits.. or whatever

according to gamefront the page wunderlampe.de was told that Square Enix will sell two of its franchises. wunderlampe did neither say which franchises will be sold nor who the buyers are.

now some speculation from gamefront. they say that it could be the Mana and Kingdom Hearts franchise, which will go to Disney, because they started their own developement studio named Fall Line in November 06. Now for the wildest thing (imo) in this speculation: Fall Line was created to produce for Wii, DS and GBA.

so, take it with a grain (or even truckload) of salt

sources: http://www.gamefront.de and http://www.wunderlampe.de/multiplatt...le-reihen.html[/q


Well we all know that Disney did just open up a studio to support Nintendo systems, so atleast the specuation seems plausible. As far as which franchises I think they would sell, well the speculation pretty much sums that up too. I still think SE would work closely with Disney on the KH games and just let Disney publish them.

But in all likelyhood that SE will sell off 2 franchises, I bet it would be something we haven't seen in any form for atleast 3 or more years  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Ceric on January 09, 2007, 05:08:49 AM
I could see Kingdom of Hearts being sold to Disney.  Squares overall presence in that game character wise is pales to Disney plus it would just be them buying the controlling interest in the game.  I'm sure Square would allow them to license there characters to be including in the game just for that game.  Also didn't Square do a Mickey game before?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Louieturkey on January 11, 2007, 08:29:11 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
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But in all likelyhood that SE will sell off 2 franchises, I bet it would be something we haven't seen in any form for atleast 3 or more years


I'm hoping they sell the Ogre Battle series to Nintendo.  We need another one of those games.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2007, 06:09:38 PM
Nintendo to release a Wiimote ver. 2.0?
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According to some obscure rumor column from Japan-based Game Lab, a newly enhanced Wiimote is in the works. The rumor, via Game Front*, suggest Wiimote 2.0 will included "better grip" and rechargeable batteries out of the box, and that the revised controller will hit Japan sometime this summer.


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Did Wii remote maintenance revise planned? 23.01.07 - Nintendo is to work allegedly on a better Wii remote maintenance, which is delivered at the latest in the summer in Japan. The Japanese Game Labo in its rumor column maintains. The revised remote maintenance is to be more easily, possess a better pavement grip and rechargeable its - Nintendo did not confirm the assumptions of the Game Labo.


Personlly I'm happy with my rechargable battery setup, cause i can just swap the batteries out and keep playing. If I have to somehow dock the controller to let it recharge, thats not gonna work for me. And unless it comes with a 20 foot charging cable that plugs into the Wiimote, a plug-in adapter is gonna be kinda pointless too. I'll stick with the current battery situation, but some built-in rubberized grips might be a welcome addition, but that might cut into their accessory sales.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: bustin98 on January 25, 2007, 02:23:29 AM
I think it would be difficult to play with a charging cord attached. The way the wiimote is balanced would be off. I am satisfied with recharging my batteries whenever they need it. Though the charging unit shown at the CES looks like a cool idea.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Louieturkey on January 25, 2007, 03:05:33 AM
I'm guessing you wouldn't play it while it's charging.  It's probably designed so that you dock it in the charger when not playing it.  So the battery would last 20-30 hours.  You'd never really have to worry about the battery dieing unless you play for more than 20 hours straight (which some do) or unless you forget to dock the wiimote when done playing.  Sounds like it could work though I do like my current setup as well.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 25, 2007, 04:56:23 AM
Releasing a revision to the controller?  How very Playstation.

Considering the surprising amount of people throwing controllers through their TVs I think rubber grips would be a good idea and I wanted a rechargable remote from day one.  It doesn't make certain games unplayable or anything so it seems like a decent change.  Plus unlike a portable system revision a controller replacement isn't as costly and odds are few people have four controllers yet anyway.  One could always use their old remotes for multiplayer and use a new remote as their "player one controller".
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Ceric on January 25, 2007, 05:03:06 AM
Not to surprising.  They should just build it so that it has the same feel as the silicon gloves.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Deguello on January 25, 2007, 05:15:26 AM
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Releasing a revision to the controller? How very Playstation.


How very Nintendo
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Ceric on January 25, 2007, 05:51:24 AM
Don't forget the best NES game Pad the Max Controller.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 25, 2007, 06:15:41 AM
"How very Nintendo"

You count the Wavebird as a revision?  Wasn't it revealed and annouced before the Cube even launched?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 25, 2007, 06:17:06 AM
Yeah, Wavebird was announced before the cube's launch.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2007, 06:15:01 AM
New Colors for Wii Q4 2007?
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In a rather shocking revelation this weekend, an anonymous Nintendo rep revealed to GameDrift that a plan is running through the pipeline to colorize the, as of now, rather bland coloration of its hit console, Wii. The rep did not reveal detailed specifics, however did remark that a red and black console have been confirmed.
Not as if we didn't see this coming, but new colors for Christmas sounds like a good way to keep sales going. I just wish they had a nice dark 'royal' blue Wii in the planning.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Ceric on January 29, 2007, 06:26:10 AM
Make 2 new Factories.  1 for each color.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: JonLeung on January 29, 2007, 06:31:43 AM
I know I mentioned this when we were discussing colours for something else a long while back (it was either GBA SPs, DSes, or DS Lites, most likely), but the Wii needs these colours:

-Mushroom Red
-Varia Orange
-Triforce Gold
-Kokiri Green
-Falcon Blue
-Peach Pink

As they don't explicitly refer to Nintendo characters (well, Peach does, but the fruit is also pink-ish) it's a good way to ease non-gamers into recognition of gaming icons.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: vudu on January 29, 2007, 06:49:32 AM
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As they don't explicitly refer to Nintendo characters
I can't say I've ever heard of a Varia outside of Metroid.  Same goes for a Triforce and a Kokiri.  And say what you will about blue, but Falcon obviously directly refers to Captain Falcon.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: JonLeung on January 29, 2007, 06:59:14 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
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As they don't explicitly refer to Nintendo characters
I can't say I've ever heard of a Varia outside of Metroid.  Same goes for a Triforce and a Kokiri.


The Triforce and Kokiri are in Metroid?  o_0

Okay, you got me.  My reasoning wasn't that great.  I just think "Mushroom Red" and "Kokiri Green" sound cooler than "Mario Red" and "Link Green".

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Ghisy on January 29, 2007, 07:19:33 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
-Triforce Gold

I may buy a Golden Wii, it would look oh so awesome!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/09/2007)
Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2007, 08:41:36 AM
I'd seriously ponder doing that... oh god or a Famicom Wii!

And no, decals just don't cut it for me.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2007, 08:23:00 PM
You know you want it


If Nintendo were to ever release a special edition of this, even with a red slot instead of blue, I will have to buy another Wii.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: MorningStar on January 29, 2007, 08:29:50 PM
I'm all for nostalgia, but an I the only one that thinks that the NES is ugly?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on January 29, 2007, 08:37:11 PM
Yes.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2007, 08:38:41 PM
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Originally posted by: MorningStar
I'm all for nostalgia, but an I the only one that thinks that the NES is ugly?


WHAT?!?!?! SACRILEGE!!!! GET 'IM!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: Deguello on January 30, 2007, 03:56:42 AM
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You count the Wavebird as a revision? Wasn't it revealed and annouced before the Cube even launched?


Well that's merely correct, but what's your point?  They released a revision of a controller.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: zakkiel on January 30, 2007, 04:10:11 AM
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Yes.
No.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on January 30, 2007, 05:22:35 AM
"Well that's merely correct, but what's your point? They released a revision of a controller."

There's a big difference.  By annoucing the Wavebird prior to the Cube's release the userbase knew about it beforehand which gave them flexibility when they bought their console.  If they were interested in a wireless controller they knew not to immediately buy four wired Cube controllers.  They knew when the new controller was coming out and thus could wait for it.

What I'm talking about is more like the Xbox controller revision.  The userbase buys their console under the assumption that there is one standard controller only to later discover that had they waited they could have got a different one.  Thus there's the possibility of someone feeling ripped off because they just bought four of the old controllers.  With the Cube anyone who did five seconds of research didn't accidently buy four wired controllers.

Plus technically I wouldn't consider something that was planned from day one to be a revision.  Revision suggests that they go back to drawing board and rethink things.  The Wavebird was more of an alternate controller than a revision.  It wasn't standard issue.  It was like an arcade joystick.

It's not a big deal anyway because both Wii controllers will work with the same games.  It's not like when Sony added two analog sticks to their Playstation controller.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: Ceric on January 30, 2007, 06:45:42 AM
You know  Ian's right when he says that in the end it will all come out in the wash.  But I think the revisions will just be something really minor in the overall scheme of things.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on January 30, 2007, 09:42:00 AM
The buttons will have a nicer click to them.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2007, 07:15:13 PM
Wired blog - Game|Life says that is has been hearing rumors of "a bunch of" games being announced by Konami for the Wii.
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Originally posted by: Chris Kohler

Should we prepare for the Konami flood on Wii? The word on the street, the latest rumor, is that the publisher will announce "a bunch of" games for Nintendo's console this week.


Does Konami have a share holders meeting next week?
Either way, if they were to announce "a bunch of" games next week, what would you guys expect?
Castlevania?
Metal Gear Solid?
Contra?
Silent Hill?
DDR?
Winning Eleven?
another new IP? (we did get Elebits afterall)

edit: added more Konami IP's
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 30, 2007, 07:18:53 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Wired blog - Game|Life says that is has been hearing rumors of "a bunch of" games being announced by Konami for the Wii.
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Originally posted by: Chris Kohler

Should we prepare for the Konami flood on Wii? The word on the street, the latest rumor, is that the publisher will announce "a bunch of" games for Nintendo's console this week.


Does Konami have a share holders meeting next week?
Either way, if they were to announce "a bunch of" games next week, what would you guys expect?
Castlevania?
Metal Gear Solid?
another new IP? (we did get Elebits afterall)


It's going to be...THE COMPILATION OF ELEBITS!

First we get Elebits 2!

Then we get Elebits breeder!

Then we get the Elebits platformer featuring the Elebits as playable characters!

And finally we get Elebits: DDR edition!

Oh and don't forget the announcement of an Elebit joining the SSB Brawl lineup!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: King of Twitch on January 30, 2007, 08:25:46 PM
With Konami's outstanding reputation for pushing the limits of gameplay mechanics and emphasizing quality over prof...

ha. ha. ha. I'll guess Disney Sports, because they have no shame.

Maybe Nintendo can find a small developer to blow 2 years on a MGS2 port.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: Mario on January 30, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
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Originally posted by: zakkiel
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Yes.
No.

Indeed.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: wandering on January 30, 2007, 10:35:31 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
New Colors for Wii Q4 2007?
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In a rather shocking revelation this weekend, an anonymous Nintendo rep revealed to GameDrift that a plan is running through the pipeline to colorize the, as of now, rather bland coloration of its hit console, Wii. The rep did not reveal detailed specifics, however did remark that a red and black console have been confirmed.
Not as if we didn't see this coming, but new colors for Christmas sounds like a good way to keep sales going. I just wish they had a nice dark 'royal' blue Wii in the planning.

I want royal purple.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 30, 2007, 11:09:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
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Originally posted by: zakkiel
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Yes.
No.

Indeed.

*nods head*
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: Strell on January 31, 2007, 12:42:13 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering

I want royal purple.


F*ck that.  I want Royal Rainbow.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: Ceric on January 31, 2007, 04:07:57 AM
I think a DDR for the Wii is almost a given once they figure out how to make a Dancepad peripheral that will plug into the Wiimote and how to doa controller mode with just the Wiimote.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: IceCold on January 31, 2007, 06:07:16 AM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
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Originally posted by: Mario
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Originally posted by: zakkiel
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Yes.
No.

Indeed.

*nods head*
Affirmative.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 31, 2007, 06:22:34 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
It's going to be...THE COMPILATION OF ELEBITS!

First we get Elebits 2!

Then we get Elebits breeder!

Then we get the Elebits platformer featuring the Elebits as playable characters!

And finally we get Elebits: DDR edition!

Oh and don't forget the announcement of an Elebit joining the SSB Brawl lineup!


*VOMIT*

I swear to god, I WILL put that box of fire ants in the mail to Konami if they do that with the return address "From: Nintendo fans".
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: JonLeung on January 31, 2007, 06:24:04 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

Does Konami have a share holders meeting next week?
Either way, if they were to announce "a bunch of" games next week, what would you guys expect?
Castlevania?
Metal Gear Solid?
Contra?
Silent Hill?
DDR?
Winning Eleven?
another new IP? (we did get Elebits afterall)


They'll announce a new Goemon game!  0_0

Either that or some more Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters booster sets, or Yu-Gi-Oh GX Does Anyone Actually Care 2008 for the GBA and/or DS.  >_<
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 31, 2007, 06:33:31 AM
Or a Wii sequel to Konami Krazy racers...Or Mario DDR 2.

But all points to...ELEBITS 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 AND MORE!!!!!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: Adrock on January 31, 2007, 07:45:30 AM
It's probably Castlevania related. The most current EGM on news stands says something about an exclusive announcement in their next issue. I recall them saying something along the lines of "fans of Symphony should stay tuned" and it didn't seem to allude to SotN on Xbox Live. The next EGM should be hitting newsstands within in the next week or so. Some subscription holders might even get them in the next day or so.

My next guess would be something Metal Gear related, though Castlevania still seems more likely. The 3D iterations of the series kind of got lost in the shuffle on PS2 and to a lesser degree Xbox. I think it could flourish on Wii considering the console and Nintendo consoles for the past 2 generations have been so light on action/adventure games of that type. Castlevania is bound to perform better without the likes of Devil May Cry or God of War stealing the spotlight (which were just better games than Lament and Curse).

I'm hoping for a 2D Castlevania. It wouldn't have to use the Wii remote. I'd be happy enough to see a new console Castlevania.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on January 31, 2007, 09:41:48 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
They'll announce a new Goemon game!  0_0

And then they won't localize it.  And I'll cry. D:

Ganbare Goemon: Toukai Douchuu Ooedo Tengurigaeshi no Maki = best DS game yet
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: Ceric on January 31, 2007, 09:57:08 AM
I wouldn't mind a sequal on the Wii to Dungeon Dice Monsters.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: ShyGuy on January 31, 2007, 10:04:13 AM
Come on Rush'n Attack sequel!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2007, 10:18:40 AM
DDR!
D-D-R!
(stadium crown chanting) DEE DEE ARRR!
(stadium crown chanting) DEE DEE ARRR!
(stadium crown chanting) DEE DEE ARRR!
(stadium crown chanting) DEE DEE ARRR!
(stadium crown chanting) DEE DEE ARRR!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2007, 06:12:54 AM
Original rumor
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Wired blog - Game|Life says that is has been hearing rumors of "a bunch of" games being announced by Konami for the Wii.
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Originally posted by: Chris Kohler

Should we prepare for the Konami flood on Wii? The word on the street, the latest rumor, is that the publisher will announce "a bunch of" games for Nintendo's console this week.



And the Konami statement from today
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Major Konami Announcements on Monday!

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02. 2.07
Major Konami Announcements on Monday!

Check back to this space on Monday for several major announcements on new games from Konami! From new franchises to returning favorites, you won't want to miss the earth-shaking news. You heard it here first!

Hopefully this rumor comes true, it could be big news for Nintendo to get Konami a cabin at Camp Nintendo.
 
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 03, 2007, 03:26:16 PM
New Rumor:

Gamefly has listed that a new Guilty Gears game is headed for the Wii.  This is great news since the Gamecube lacked fighting games and fighting games in general seem to slowing down.  Specially 2D games.

Originally found this story at GoNintendo.com and apparently Gamefly has been pretty accurate about there game posts for the Wii coming true.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*(updated 01/31/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2007, 03:35:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
New Rumor:

Gamefly has listed that a new Guilty Gears game is headed for the Wii.  This is great news since the Gamecube lacked fighting games and fighting games in general seem to slowing down.  Specially 2D games.

Originally found this story at GoNintendo.com and apparently Gamefly has been pretty accurate about there game posts for the Wii coming true.
I was gonna post this same thing, but I also heard that Game-Crazy originally had this title listed for Wii way back in Oct. '06 and Aksys had formally denied any such rumor in their forums saying "any new game announcements will be listed on our website."
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: denjet78 on February 03, 2007, 05:13:27 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I was gonna post this same thing, but I also heard that Game-Crazy originally had this title listed for Wii way back in Oct. '06 and Aksys had formally denied any such rumor in their forums saying "any new game announcements will be listed on our website."


That doesn't sounds like a denial to me. It sounds more like a "no comment".

...

What's Guity Gears anyway? *awaits onslaught of angry fans*
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: IceCold on February 03, 2007, 05:20:17 PM
Guilty Gear? You haven't heard of it? It's a 2D fighting game
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 03, 2007, 05:29:39 PM
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Originally posted by: denjet78What's Guity Gears anyway? *awaits onslaught of angry fans*


This is what Guilty gears is.

Really fun series!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: denjet78 on February 03, 2007, 05:40:23 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Guilty Gear? You haven't heard of it? It's a 2D fighting game


I'm not a big fighting game fan outside of Smash Bros. I have seen the video of Mortal Kombat Wii though and I have to admit that I'm more than slightly intrigued by the Wiimote controls. I won't be buying the game myself but if someone I know gets it I'd be more than willing to give it a shot.

Me actually interested in a fighting game? The Wii really is magical.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 03, 2007, 05:53:30 PM
Damn I hope this turns out to be true.  I loved playing the older ones and it'd be great to finally be able to buy one.

Actually this shouldn't come as any real surprise though since the Wii is pretty much going to be the home for 2d fighters.  2d fighters only sell to a small niche fanbase these days, and since the Xbox 360 and PS3 cost way to much to develope for, the Wii is the only system companies can make money off 2d fighters with.

Plus Sony and Microsoft probobly wont even allow 2d fighters on their systems since both companies are obsessed with showing off their realistic HD graphics.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Hocotate on February 03, 2007, 08:38:12 PM
I can die happy if the Wii becomes the home of 2d fighters. If the Wii gets 2d fighters in addition to more DDR love it will go down as my all time favorite console of all time.... Almost sounds too good to be true.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 03, 2007, 11:17:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Hocotate
I can die happy if the Wii becomes the home of 2d fighters. If the Wii gets 2d fighters in addition to more DDR love it will go down as my all time favorite console of all time.... Almost sounds too good to be true.


Then prepare to die because the Wii is the default console for all 2D fighters next gen. It's the only console which doesn't require that games run in 720p (minimum) and it leads the Japanese next-gen console market by 60% already. Most of the 2D-heavy hitters (if not all) are Japanese devs, like SNK who already brought Metal Slug Anthology over.

By rule of thumb, if your console is the "default" for any genre of game, it's a good thing. The PS2 was the default for 2D games last gen, even though Sony hated 2D games.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 03, 2007, 11:46:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
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By rule of thumb, if your console is the "default" for any genre of game, it's a good thing. The PS2 was the default for 2D games last gen, even though Sony hated 2D games.


This is one of the reasons why I've very happy Nintendo will be getting all the 2d games this gen, we might start to see more progress in 2d games and maybe even a revival of some kind.  

Under Sony's anti 2d policy, only the well known 2d series were allowed to be released in America, and even then companies had to jump through hopes just to get there games approved.  This is one of the reasons 2d gaming died on home consoles because companies weren't going to spend alot of money on making 2d games only to have Sony refuse to allow it's release.

But now with Nintendo, companies have nothing to worry about.  They're free to make as many 2d games as they'd like on the system and can actually release all of their games in North America.  And with them being able to release any game in North America, more companies might start spending the money again on going back into the 2d market since their games have a much better chance of selling now.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 01:47:43 AM
I'm curious to see what comes of it as well.

Nintendo never had the reputation of the "safe haven" until now. I wonder how the title will fit them...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 04, 2007, 04:26:01 AM
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Plus Sony and Microsoft probobly wont even allow 2d fighters on their systems since both companies are obsessed with showing off their realistic HD graphics.


Street Fighter Hyper Fighting 2 on Xbox Live Arcade wants to have a word with you :P. If 2D fighters come out on those systems it will probably be on xbox live arcade or the playstation store.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Ceric on February 04, 2007, 04:29:55 AM
Yep.  That is true if 2D fighter does come out on those systems it does make sense to sell them as Marketplace games.  Even on the Wii that makes some sense.  Personally it would have to be a pretty expansive 2D fighter for me to want to plop down full price for it in todays day and age.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Ghisy on February 04, 2007, 05:34:38 AM
I wouldn't say no to a Street Fighter Collection on the Wii.
Like the ones on PSOne but with every SF games since SF II.
That would rock!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: jasonditz on February 04, 2007, 05:55:13 AM
indeed, if Metal Slug can offer a $40 anthology disk why not Street Fighter 2?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: KDR_11k on February 04, 2007, 06:06:09 AM
I've got SF2 15th anniversary for the PS2...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 10:24:23 AM
I welcome any and all 2D games, personally.

Since I have Gamefly, I'm more than willing to give every game that comes out a fair shake, 2D or otherwise.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 04, 2007, 11:15:43 AM
I personally don't care if the game is in 2D, 3D or even 4D. If the game is fun, addictive and engaging its good enough for me.

Hence why I am playing LTTP.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 01:11:58 PM
Followup to the Konami rumor:

Konami's 07 lineup

A 3D shooter called "Time Ace" and a pet sim called "GoPets" with online support so you can go online and meet other pet owners, both on the DS.

I guess this is all we're getting for the Wii for now, but in fairness, there wasn't all that much announced in general so four titles ain't bad.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: IceCold on February 13, 2007, 01:52:09 PM
It isn't official, and I didn't want to make a whole new thread on it, but EA is thinking about Fight Night on the Wii.. didn't Omen already comment on this?

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GM: The Nintendo Wii just came out. Are you planning on doing a version for that system with its revolutionary controller system?

MB: We’re talking about it right now. We’re contemplating and we definitely feel there are some exciting things we can do with the Fight Night franchise and the Wii. When you play Wii Boxing it is a very simple experience and I think that is what they designed it to be just to let you know that you can throw punches. With Fight Night we have an amazing simulation of Boxing and so we need to take those Wii controls and tailor it to what the Fight Night consumer might want to experience. We are looking at it right now and I am sure you will something some time in the future on the Wii.

GM: That’s going to end up being a helluva workout.

MB: (laughing) Absolutely. That’s good. We want people to get a bit of workout. If you like playing sports games and are excited by sports it is a good way to give you the best of both worlds.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 02/03/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2007, 01:17:16 PM
Did we miss this? Was is posted somewhere else on the site?

EA developing a rhythm based dancing game for Wii
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Random Nintendo has learned that Electronic Arts is developing an exclusive rhythm game for the Wii. While information is still scare, we do know that the game will be an entirely new property.

The currently untitled Wii project is under development at EA's Montreal studio. The game, which reportedly has a 1970s vibe, will have players control dancers by moving both the Wii Remote and Nunchuk. While it may sound similar to Konami's Dance Dance Revolution: Hottest Mix, one of the main differences appears to be the lack of a dance pad for EA's game.


This game was also just referenced in latest 1up Yours podcast @ about 30minutes in.
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Shane (1up/EGM) says in passing "well they already announced the microphone for the EA dancing game".


thanx GP  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/10/2007)
Post by: The Omen on March 10, 2007, 05:41:46 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
It isn't official, and I didn't want to make a whole new thread on it, but EA is thinking about Fight Night on the Wii.. didn't Omen already comment on this?

Quote

GM: The Nintendo Wii just came out. Are you planning on doing a version for that system with its revolutionary controller system?

MB: We’re talking about it right now. We’re contemplating and we definitely feel there are some exciting things we can do with the Fight Night franchise and the Wii. When you play Wii Boxing it is a very simple experience and I think that is what they designed it to be just to let you know that you can throw punches. With Fight Night we have an amazing simulation of Boxing and so we need to take those Wii controls and tailor it to what the Fight Night consumer might want to experience. We are looking at it right now and I am sure you will something some time in the future on the Wii.

GM: That’s going to end up being a helluva workout.

MB: (laughing) Absolutely. That’s good. We want people to get a bit of workout. If you like playing sports games and are excited by sports it is a good way to give you the best of both worlds.



Yes sir I did.  They're trying for 1:1 motion...and that was months ago.  I think there are going to be 6 punches for each side, or something like that.  Unless they do end up with true 1:1.  The real impressive thing was that the wiimote was able to distinguish between a right cross punch and a right jab every single time.  So even early on there were no motions that were missed or not read.

But yeah, don't let them fool you.  The full slate of EA sports will be hitting the Wii.  The best title, believe it or not, might be Nascar, which is supposedly going to be online and work with the headset.  Your pit or whatever will be helping you out during the race through the headset.  There may also be two player co-op, online, or splitscreen through the career mode.

For the record, I don't work for EA or obviously I would be breaking NDAs.. And of course, it's so early on everything could change.  *(that's my disclaimer)*

 
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/10/2007)
Post by: IceCold on March 10, 2007, 07:13:49 PM
Well, I care about hockey the most when it comes to sports, and no other developer has mentioned an NHL Wii game - is EA thinking about it?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/10/2007)
Post by: The Omen on March 11, 2007, 04:20:19 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
Well, I care about hockey the most when it comes to sports, and no other developer has mentioned an NHL Wii game - is EA thinking about it?


Yep.  But I didn't see it our hear about what types of controls they're looking for.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/10/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2007, 05:56:17 PM
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption delayed?
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US online retailer Best Buy has sent out an email notifying customers who have pre-ordered Metroid Prime 3: Corruption for Wii that the release date has changed from summer '07 to New. Year's. Eve.
A six month delay? to a game already delayed by 6+ months (wasn't it originally scheduled for Launch)?

What could they be doing? adding multiplayer online like Reggie hinted to awhile back?  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/13/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 13, 2007, 06:36:19 PM
Come on...An online retailer release detail is hardly justifiable as a rumour... =/
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/13/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2007, 07:01:38 PM
I used it as a reason to push the online MP3 rumor thats been going around and sort-of hinted at by Reggie.

Besides if they are sending out e-mails about a delay to the customers(& months before the targeted release period), they must know something that we don't.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/13/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 13, 2007, 07:09:00 PM
I'm with Bill on this one.

Its been mentioned a while back that sometimes when the game companies don't provide the stores a firm release date they will often make one up and use it as a place holder date till the real one is announced.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasons Best Buy is sending the e-mails and changing dates is because Nintendo has been so quiet about it that they figured that the game wouldn't be released this year and is letting everyone know to expect a sudden change in dates.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/13/2007)
Post by: King of Twitch on March 13, 2007, 07:27:58 PM
Well I better not get my hopes up. I'll just assume it's being ported to the next next-gen Starcube until I hear otherwise. ;*(
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/13/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2007, 01:47:50 PM
Ok, sorry for the last non-rumor rumor, but here is an actual rumor, and one that will hopefully come true. If this happens, and happens soon, it could be the start of some interesting possibilities for the Wii.

The rumor comes from the Japanese gamer mag - GameLabo
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The meat of the rumour, which has been doing the rounds on several US and European websites over the weekend, suggests that a Nintendo meeting took place recently to discuss the subject of an external hard drive for Wii.

While the story might sound a bit ridiculous on the face of it, fact is that many Wii gamers have already hit their limit on the Flash memory that comes with the console - especially if you've been downloading as many VC games as you can get your hands on.

Source - Computer&Videogames.com

This would be great for Animal Crossing, a Pokemon MMO, NeoGeo & Saturn VC games , and whatever other uses 3rd parties could think up for a HDD. I know FFXI would probably be ported right away.

Remember all those rumors waaaay back when about the stand being a battery pack for the Wii? Well what if this rumored external HDD comes in the form of a slightly modified Wii stand, one that possibly has blue LEDs(like the disc slot) that glow when being accessed, and just has a little USB cord that plugs right into the back of the Wii.  I think if they use some of those iPod mini HDDs and just insert it into the stand they could keep the Wii looking like it already does with its minimalist design and extremely small footprint.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 18, 2007, 01:54:17 PM
Not surprising, since Nintendo has been touting that you could plug in some USB devices to store data. They just needed the firmware upgrade to do it.

Would be cool if it came true, though. I hope they also allow for normal hard drives to be used. Would suck if you had to shell out 100 bucks just to buy a hard drive for the Wii when you had one that could've been used.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2007, 01:59:10 PM
I too am hoping that they allow the use of 3rd party USB devices.

Anything less than that would suck, especially after they said it would be able to do so a while back.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 18, 2007, 02:02:18 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I too am hoping that they allow the use of 3rd party USB devices.

Anything less than that would suck, especially after they said it would be able to do so a while back.


If anything, the official Wii hard drive should be the CHEAP alternative. I mean, we don't want the "Nintendo Wifi dongle" fiasco to happen again.

But let's be realistic, if the hard drive comes true, it will be overpriced and be very small capacity wise (like 20 GB).
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2007, 02:05:50 PM
I expect it to sell at a premium, just like the Wii-branded SD cards.

External USB drives are hella cheap which is why I hope they allow you to use them.

If they allowed the use of 3rd party SD cards, I don't see why they'd disallow 3rd party USB drives.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 18, 2007, 04:44:20 PM
Even if they release their own HDD and do not support 3rd party drives, I'm sure someone will figure out a way to make a 3rd party drive appear as the official Nintendo one, like they did for the Xbox 360. Of course, this is assuming they add HDD support to begin with. If they do, and release their own HDD, it better look awesome with the system, like the 360's HD DVD drive.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2007, 04:53:35 PM
Agreed.

I'd consider springing for a branded HDD if it looked awesome and was easy to port around, but I'd probably opt for an iPod I could wear around my neck.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2007, 05:46:57 PM
Well what if the Nintendo branded HDD came preloaded with a game, like Animal/Mii Crossing or some other Nintendo developed HDD focused game?
What if the HDD was like I mentioned before(in the stand)?

Would either of those convince you to pay premium prices?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Strell on March 19, 2007, 02:12:17 AM
SIXTY FOAR DISK DU-RIEEEEEEVE MEGATONS
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Pittbboi on March 19, 2007, 02:23:03 AM
Welp, that didn't last too long...

Nintendo Rep Denies Hard Drive Rumor

It wouldn't be the first time a rep (for NOE, of all places) didn't know what they were talking about, but at the same time...this person seems pretty sure that a Wii Hard Drive is pretty out of the question.

Still, I'm surprised at how quickly and straightforward the official response to this rumor came. It makes me wonder why they won't just hurry up and confirm/deny all the rumors regarding friend codes...hmmmm...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2007, 02:36:54 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Well what if the Nintendo branded HDD came preloaded with a game, like Animal/Mii Crossing or some other Nintendo developed HDD focused game?
What if the HDD was like I mentioned before(in the stand)?

Would either of those convince you to pay premium prices?


If Animal Crossing came on the drive, probably, but that doesn't seem likely.

The convenience of carrying my HDD around my neck is too good to pass up, really, especially when I can then easily use it to move save files around.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Rhoq on March 19, 2007, 02:57:28 AM
I know people have been able to use the Wii's USB ports as a power source (for charging iPods and battery charge stations) but has anyone tried to connect a USB flash drive or external HDD?  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2007, 03:00:00 AM
Currently, it doesn't do anything if you do so (which is a shame).
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Rhoq on March 19, 2007, 03:15:17 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Currently, it doesn't do anything if you do so (which is a shame).


Hopefully a software update will be released in the near future to rectify this.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Ceric on March 19, 2007, 05:45:23 AM
I think the probably Nintendo, in their mind, would run into is that the Read time of a Harddrive is slower then the flash and you don't want to be hitting flash has a temporary drive because it only has x amounts of writes.  Which for the lifetime of the Wii how it is currently being used should be fine but if you using for a page file consistently I could see that halfing the projected lifetime relatively easily.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 19, 2007, 06:04:58 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Welp, that didn't last too long...

Nintendo Rep Denies Hard Drive Rumor

It wouldn't be the first time a rep (for NOE, of all places) didn't know what they were talking about, but at the same time...this person seems pretty sure that a Wii Hard Drive is pretty out of the question.

Still, I'm surprised at how quickly and straightforward the official response to this rumor came. It makes me wonder why they won't just hurry up and confirm/deny all the rumors regarding friend codes...hmmmm...


I say we should wait and see. Remember that Nintendo has denied stuff in the past only to announce it a few months later.

Nintendo has already said that they plan on allowing use of external storage devices, so them (or a third party) making an external HD for the Wii seems like an obvious choice.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Ghisy on March 19, 2007, 06:21:52 AM
I'd rather see Nintendo releasing a flash memory HDD.
Much more reliable and lighter than an actual USB HDD.
An 8 gig flash HDD would rock!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2007, 06:25:23 AM
Problem is that flash has a limited number of times you can write to it, and a HDD's lifetime can possibly reach or exceed that number, hence why they'd want an actual HDD with heads and sectors.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 19, 2007, 06:33:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Problem is that flash has a limited number of times you can write to it


What?

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2007, 06:39:15 AM
Flash Memory

Another limitation is that flash memory has a finite number of erase-write cycles (most commercially available flash products are guaranteed to withstand 1 million programming cycles). This effect is partially offset by some chip firmware or file system drivers by counting the writes and dynamically remapping the blocks in order to spread the write operations between the sectors. This technique is called wear levelling. Another mechanism is to perform write verification and remapping to spare sectors in case of write failure, which is named bad block management (BBM).

It sounds like it would be no big deal, but the thing is, a HDD sees thousands of writes and changes every day. Reaching a million is easily possible if you're going to be continuously updating the content on a HDD, like what would happen in a real-time Animal Crossing.

Currently, AC only saves games when a player commands it to. The issue there is that AC can never have a real consistent world where the power going out won't undo all the changes and call down the wrath of Resetti. If every time the player dug a hole, caught a bug, etc., the game saved to the flash, then you can see why the flash would have a chance to be worn out.

A HDD opens a lot of doors, in terms of not only gaming but also downloadable content and makes sense that Nintendo would have a Wii-branded one for "casual" gamers who just don't know any better.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: vudu on March 19, 2007, 07:25:11 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
If every time the player dug a hole, caught a bug, etc., the game saved to the flash, then you can see why the flash would have a chance to be worn out.
So a game like Fire Emblem--which saves after every move--has the potential to die after you play it about 167 times (assuming the cartridge is good for 1,000,000 saves, there are approximately 200 saves per level and approximately 30 levels per game)?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2007, 07:33:53 AM
I suppose so, but first of all, FE isn't the only game which will be saving information to the flash card and second, I don't mean standard games where saves happen infrequently. I mean games where changes to the stored data are being made constantly, like every second.

I admit, I can't provide an example beyond a real-time saving Animal Crossing, but that would be the best example, where you no longer need to worry about the game stopping to save every time someone enters or exits your town or about losing all your data if the power goes out. Live saving is the only way to do that and such frequent saving could reach the limit on your flash storage, especially if your town is frequently visited by others.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Ceric on March 19, 2007, 07:35:05 AM
Actually I think that if you use the flash like they are using it know it should last the life of the product.  Now if you use the Flash as a temporary cache for something like say streaming video that requires a lot of rapid writes and you do this regularly the lifetime could be easily halfed.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2007, 08:19:09 AM
I agree that it probably won't be an issue with any games we have now.

However, that doesn't take future games into account and that flash memory is more expensive than HDD storage.

The read times on USB 2.0 (which the Wii has) are pretty damn fast. You could load things in and out very quickly without much issue.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: vudu on March 19, 2007, 08:32:32 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I suppose so, but first of all, FE isn't the only game which will be saving information to the flash card and second, I don't mean standard games where saves happen infrequently. I mean games where changes to the stored data are being made constantly, like every second.
If you play FE fast enough (and turn off battle animations) the game will save every second.  It auto saves after every turn you (or the CPU) take.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2007, 08:37:24 AM
In that case, it could happen...if you played it that many times, but I don't think it's a huge concern.

Like I said, the pertinent reasons for HDD over flash are cost and space. The erase limitation does exist, but I don't think it could be an issue unless Nintendo does release an AC with real-time saving.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: ryancoke on March 19, 2007, 09:41:39 AM
I hope nintendo at least gives us the option of having a USB hard drive in the future to replace the internal flash mem.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 22, 2007, 05:29:35 AM
EA music game, confirmed and revealed!

NOTE: Go Nintendo posted the link to the original site, but it wasn't in English, so I posted this instead.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 22, 2007, 06:12:18 AM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
so doesn anyone keep track of when a rumor comes true or is proven false? We need to go back and edit all the posts with updates when a rumor gets confirmed or denied officially. That would make the thread more usefull.
I thought I would waste some more time and update this list.
07/09/2006
-An Actual Pokemon RPG may be in the works (?)
-A WiiDS connectivity game is in the works (true)
-Lots of side-quest still being added to Zelda: Twilight Princess (true)
-Tingle is also in Zelda: Twilight Princess (false)
-Many peripherals are in the works and a Mic may even be added to the Wiimote (true and false)

7/14/2006
If DQ Wii and DQ DS sell well then Dragon Quest IX will be exclusive for Wii (false, it ended up on DS)

07/25/2006
-Wii could be more powerful than we have been led to believe(Broadway 1.5ghz & Hollywood 555mhz) (false)

7/31/2006
Official Nintendo docs leaked to reveal Wii specs? (true, I think)

8/04/2006
Sources close to Nintendo of Europe tell IGN that the company is underway with a sequel to the hit GameCube sports title Super Mario Strikers. Furthermore, insiders allege that the title could be unveiled later this month at the Games Convention 2006 in Leipzig, Germany (this happened right?)

08/11/2006
- Possible delay for Metroid Prime 3 (true)
- Dragon Quest Swords probably not going to make launch (true)
- THQ Wii exclusive event next Tuesday (true, but it wasn't Wii exclusive)

8/15/2006
- Larger order of chips = lower price for Nintendo (makes sense)
- Wii could launch @ $199 US (it could have)
- Nintendo developing Brain & Diet Training games for Wii (true?)
- BT & DT aimed for pre Christmas release (didn't happen)

08/27/2006
-Sept. 14th Nintendo will reveal the last secret of the Wii (I've heard no secret)
-The last secret is a Head Mounted Display (false?)
-Disaster: Day of Crisis is the first game to use this HMD (?)
-Disaster is to release in January 2007 (it could still happen...)

10/28/2006
-CNN content provider of news contendt for news channel (false)
-Spin the globe to find news stories around the world (true)
-Sega moved most of it develepment from PS3 to Wii over summer (true, but probably not as early as last summer)
-DVD capable Wii for Japan in 2007 (was announced, could still happen)

01/03/2007
-DQ Swords to be a Wii pack-in in 2007 (not gonna happen while Wii is still being sold out)

01/06/2007
-Fire Emblem has two parts (false)
-NiGHTS Wii (still pending.....)
-SE & Disney to put KH on Nintendo consoles (lets hope so)

01/09/2007
-SE to sell two franchises (KH & Mana to Disney?) (Most likely false)

01/24/2007
-Nintendo to release Wiimote v2.0 (rubber grips & rechargeable batteries)(False, but 3rd parties have provided those upgrades)

01/29/2007
-New colors for Wii Q4 2007 (very likely, but we'll see)

01/31/2007
-Konami to announce a "flood" of games for Wii (I wouldn't call it a flood)

02/03/2007
-Guilty Gear coming to Wii (was this announced?)

03/10/2007 technically from 02/25/2007
-EA developing a dancing game for wii that uses a microphone (true)

03/18/2007
-Nintendo to release an external HDD for Wii (???)

thats not all the rumors, but its most of them.

   
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 22, 2007, 06:20:21 AM
Yeah, there were a handful of side quests in Twilight Princess (even if most of them were collect-a-thons). And Tingle is NOT in the game, so mark that as being false.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: ryancoke on March 22, 2007, 06:24:17 AM
I'm crossing my fingers for the external hard drive. Actually, i'm crossing my fingers for Nintendo to update the Wii firmware to allow third party USB hard drives.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 03/18/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2007, 06:43:17 AM
According to G4tv, there may be a reason why Nintendo has not released Duck Hunt and Hogans Alley yet on the VC. The Gun attachment for the Wiimote labeled "Zapper" was listed as a work inprogress back at E3 and may be released sooner than you think.



They also mentioned that it was rumored that the Resident Evil 4 Wiimake and/or RE: Umbrella Chronicles may be the first Wii games to make use of this peripheral.

That would make for some interesting gameplay for RE:UC but I'm not so sure about using the Zapper in RE4 Wiimake. Motion sensing controlling Leon's arm, and therefore his aim, should already adds enough to the gameplay w/o adding Zapper support.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: Pale on April 06, 2007, 07:01:49 AM
I'd say it's extremely possible that it will be used in Umbrella Chronicles, as the way the game is described makes sense with the placement of things like the analog stick.

RE:Wiimake I don't think so though, based on this page...

http://www.capcom.co.jp/wii_bio4/operation/index.html

Also, I still don't understand how this is going to work with Duck Hunt and Hogan's Alley... are they going to change the code and put a cross hairs on it?  I still don't buy it.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2007, 07:17:18 AM
Well they showed a photo of the zapper case and just below it it said

Zapper Style
"work in progress"

But I'm also curious how they are gona make it work. How did the old school NES zapper work?
Didn't it have a camera that would locate the white flash on the screen and thats how it determined if you made your shot or not? Maybe the peripheral has software embedded that changes the way the camera would work.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: Pale on April 06, 2007, 07:19:58 AM
That's an interesting thought BnM, but then it wouldn't be using the Wii remote's normal pointer function...

Hmm.  Of all the arguments I've heard for how it's going to work (that are usually "THE WII POINTER CAN DO IT DUH!") that holds up the most as possible.  Hmm. Hmm. Hmm indeed.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on April 06, 2007, 07:20:04 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Pale
Also, I still don't understand how this is going to work with Duck Hunt and Hogan's Alley... are they going to change the code and put a cross hairs on it?  I still don't buy it.

More likely the emulator would overlay the crosshair.  Program the emulator to interpret the Wii pointer like any other game that uses it, and draw the crosshair on the screen after rendering the game itself.  When you fire, the emulator would convert the crosshair's position into the format the game expects and knows how to interpret before feeding it the data.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: vudu on April 06, 2007, 07:28:26 AM
Anyone else notice this gun that popped up over at GoNintendo yesterday?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2007, 07:34:50 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Pale
That's an interesting thought BnM, but then it wouldn't be using the Wii remote's normal pointer function...

Hmm.  Of all the arguments I've heard for how it's going to work (that are usually "THE WII POINTER CAN DO IT DUH!") that holds up the most as possible.  Hmm. Hmm. Hmm indeed.
Why couldn't it do both? The Eyetoy 2 is supposed to be able to track multiple tagets, so maybe the little "upgrade" that the Zapper may add allows it to track the sensor bar and the flash on the screen at the same time.

But if your playing the NES, SNES, or any games that weren't made specifically for the Wii, you wouldn't need the pointer at that time anyway.

edit:
Quote

Originally posted by: vudu
Anyone else notice this gun that popped up over at GoNintendo yesterday?

wow, that actually looks pretty good, but might be a little fragile when the Wiimote and nunchuck aren't attached.

edit2: RE: Umbrella Chronicles trailer

Definately a light gun game, just incase there was any doubt.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 06, 2007, 07:55:54 AM
I'm guessing that you will calibrate your aim before playing, just like any other modern lightgun game, and once you do, you can't change your seating position or it will mess up your aim again.

This should be easy for the Wiimote, as the mote will send the calculation data at the time of trigger press as to where the actual cursor is (which the player won't see during the calibration) as opposed to where the player sees the aim.

HOTD2 had you fire three calibration shots and basically worked fine after that. The Resident Wiivil will probably have you do the same thing: one in the upper left corner, one in lower right and one center. That gives the game a complete understanding of how large your TV is and where the player is aiming on the X and Y axes (yes, that is the plural of "axis". I looked it up). Once you take three shots, the game can take the three offset values (how far from the on-screen target the cursor was when the player pulled the trigger) to calculate where the player is aiming on the screen at the time, no "flashes" required.

You can kinda use the Wiimote as a lightgun if you sight along the d-pad, but it'll take some getting used to before I adjust to where the gun is aiming since I'm so used to the pointer not actually pointing to the cursor on screen at all.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 09, 2007, 07:19:03 AM
Is Assassins Creed coming to DS & Wii?

Well according to Kotaku, Gamestop & Gamefly have the DS version listed for a September '07 release and are offering pre-order/rental options, but according to NeoGAF there was a leaked list that also had it listed for the Wii.

I haven't seen this list yet, but as soon as I find it, it will be posted here.

edit: I just saw the leaked list, which is also from Kotaku, but the only problem is that the list was from over a year ago. I wonder how much weight it actually holds.
So for the meantime take this as non-confirmation of Assassins Creed for DS until a more credible rumor pops up supporting the Wii version. Thats what I get for jumping the gun.....

update: Apparently the leaked list(provided by Kotaku above) has been very accurate so far, as many of the games on the list have already been released. Does this add credibility to AC coming to Wii? Maybe, but as with every other game on the list, we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: nickmitch on April 09, 2007, 08:59:34 AM
Well, a few of those games have come out, right? TMNT, Rayman and there is a Naruto game comming for the 360, also, there's the rumored Tom Clancy game. . .
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: The Omen on April 10, 2007, 05:56:09 AM
From game tester land, or, a little birdie told me:

A new FPS from Free Radical is supposedly making waves through the grapevine of the game tester underground.  As you know, EA published Timesplitters:FP (I was testing Madden while that game was being tested in the lan area of the building) So knowing there's still a few friendly connections staff-wise, I am inclined to believe at least some of this.   Apparently Free Radical now have a deal with Ubisoft and they have an exclusive Wii FPS in the alpha stages.  The excitement going around about this top secret game is magnified because some think it's actually Timesplitters 4.

Why is Nascar 08 being held back from the Wii?  I don't know...it was underway with online component and everything.  Perhaps it's scrapped until next year, or perhaps Nintendo doesn't want devs to announce any online enabled games yet?  Either way, I'm surprised.

A famous Capcom classic getting the Wii treatment?  An interesting tidbit out of sunny Capcom HQ, via email. "On **, the primary thinking was to follow the Metroid Prime transition from 2d to 3d, with perhaps some 3rd person spliced in.  It was a quick discussion but intriguing anyway.  Of course **** (name) wasn't supposed to squawk, but yeah, there it is.  But this type of talk is frequent with top brass, and a lot of times nothing comes of it.  But some times...."  Take this one lightly, but it sure sounded like a great idea.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: Kairon on April 10, 2007, 05:59:17 AM
Dude, I'd SOOOO buy a Nascar game. Only type of realistic car racing game I like!

Also... *crosses figners for Wii Exclusive FPS'*

And Capcom Classic huh? Hmmm....

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: Kairon on April 10, 2007, 06:02:28 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Is Assassins Creed coming to DS & Wii?

Well according to Kotaku, Gamestop & Gamefly have the DS version listed for a September '07 release and are offering pre-order/rental options, but according to NeoGAF there was a leaked list that also had it listed for the Wii.

I haven't seen this list yet, but as soon as I find it, it will be posted here.

edit: I just saw the leaked list, which is also from Kotaku, but the only problem is that the list was from over a year ago. I wonder how much weight it actually holds.
So for the meantime take this as non-confirmation of Assassins Creed for DS until a more credible rumor pops up supporting the Wii version. Thats what I get for jumping the gun.....


The Gamestop and Gamefly listing for a graphically intensive title like Assassin's Creed on DS is shocking!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
KaironW@aol.com
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/06/2007)
Post by: The Omen on April 10, 2007, 06:04:29 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Is Assassins Creed coming to DS & Wii?

Well according to Kotaku, Gamestop & Gamefly have the DS version listed for a September '07 release and are offering pre-order/rental options, but according to NeoGAF there was a leaked list that also had it listed for the Wii.


That leaked list was months ago before the Wii was released, then promptly removed.  All the games on the list have come out, or have been announced.  So maybe it is coming out.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2007, 06:26:51 AM
Not sure how a double post happened....
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2007, 06:26:52 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: The Omen
From game tester land, or, a little birdie told me:

A famous Capcom classic getting the Wii treatment?  An interesting tidbit out of sunny Capcom HQ, via email. "On **, the primary thinking was to follow the Metroid Prime transition from 2d to 3d, with perhaps some 3rd person spliced in.  It was a quick discussion but intriguing anyway.  Of course **** (name) wasn't supposed to squawk, but yeah, there it is.  But this type of talk is frequent with top brass, and a lot of times nothing comes of it.  But some times...."  Take this one lightly, but it sure sounded like a great idea.
Thanx for contributing, the more rumors to monitor the better.

Now onto this Capcom classic... I hope they don't mean MegaMan as that has already jumped to 3D before and it was already 3rd person(MegaMan Legends, did anybody else suffer through that one?), it didn't turn out too well.
But if they are gonna try it out Metroid Prime style this time, then I welcome the challenge of a new FPA game starring the old and almost forgotten Mega Man.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: Ceric on April 10, 2007, 06:36:07 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote

Originally posted by: The Omen
From game tester land, or, a little birdie told me:

A famous Capcom classic getting the Wii treatment?  An interesting tidbit out of sunny Capcom HQ, via email. "On **, the primary thinking was to follow the Metroid Prime transition from 2d to 3d, with perhaps some 3rd person spliced in.  It was a quick discussion but intriguing anyway.  Of course **** (name) wasn't supposed to squawk, but yeah, there it is.  But this type of talk is frequent with top brass, and a lot of times nothing comes of it.  But some times...."  Take this one lightly, but it sure sounded like a great idea.
Thanx for contributing, the more rumors to monitor the better.

Now onto this Capcom classic... I hope they don't mean MegaMan as that has already jumped to 3D before and it was already 3rd person(MegaMan Legends, did anybody else suffer through that one?), it didn't turn out too well.
But if they are gonna try it out Metroid Prime style this time, then I welcome the challenge of a new FPA game starring the old and almost forgotten Mega Man.


You mean the non-Chibi one?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2007, 06:53:08 AM
I'd guess Captain Commando...

Maybe Strider.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2007, 07:03:42 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Adrock
I'd guess Captain Commando...

Maybe Strider.
Ooohhh, either of those would be interesting, especially Strider.
Capcom's Gamers Day is coming up on Thursday, just after Nintendo's Retailer Meeting which is tomorrow. So maybe we'll find something out about this rumor this week.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: Ceric on April 10, 2007, 07:11:02 AM
As long as they keep the Strider Dieing sequence.

Though I see Strider as a perfect fit for the 360 Demographic.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: Arbok on April 10, 2007, 07:45:46 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: The Omen
The excitement going around about this top secret game is magnified because some think it's actually Timesplitters 4.


I'd be in hog heaven if that turns out to be true. The second in the series was easily one of my favorite games on the Cube last generation, and I would be the first in line for a fourth in the series.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: Kairon on April 10, 2007, 07:55:14 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ceric
As long as they keep the Strider Dieing sequence.

Though I see Strider as a perfect fit for the 360 Demographic.


Soon to be a subset of the Wii demographic! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: DAaaMan64 on April 10, 2007, 07:57:29 AM
Timesplitters is pretty cool can we get a early 2008 release maybe?  Timespliters doesn't do well amongst the giants without a little marketing.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: Strell on April 10, 2007, 08:36:09 AM
Megaman Legends is sorely underrated.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: Ceric on April 10, 2007, 08:59:33 AM
Isn't the the game the Servbot came from?  If so that justify it existence all by itself.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: Kairon on April 10, 2007, 09:05:22 AM
*shrug* I'll give Timesplitters a chance. I really wasn't on my radar at all on the GC.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: ryancoke on April 10, 2007, 10:39:05 AM
3D Bionic Commando would be sweet!

Megaman Legends was awesome...at least in my book ;P

Timesplitters Future Perfect was an awesome FPS.  I hope they make TS4 on wii
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on April 10, 2007, 10:46:23 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: ryancoke
3D Bionic Commando would be sweet!

That would be awesome.  Grappling hook action is unique and a lot of fun.  It's what the game project I'm working on at DigiPen this year is based around.  I don't know why so few games make extensive use of the mechanic.

I thought Mega Man Legends was kinda cool, though the controls could really use some work.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/10/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2007, 06:49:01 AM
SEGA fans rejoice, as it seems they are intent on returning to the days when Sega mattered.
It appears that another franchise from years back might be getting revived, a game that seems a perfect fit for the motion sensing controller provided by the Wii, a game that many fans have been waiting for a proper sequel to for many years.
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Think NiGHTS was the only retro-game by SEGA coming back to life? Think again. Come Friday and find out what could be one of the biggest no-brainers in retuning franchises to Wii.

Let’s just say that DK: Bongo Blast probably won’t be the only Wii game you’ll be shaking beats to this year.
source

I'm pretty sure this would be a new 'Samba De Amigo', and I could be wrong, but maybe a Space Channel 5 isn't too far behind.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: The Omen on April 12, 2007, 11:50:06 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smoke39
Quote

Originally posted by: ryancoke
3D Bionic Commando would be sweet!

That would be awesome.  Grappling hook action is unique and a lot of fun.  It's what the game project I'm working on at DigiPen this year is based around.  I don't know why so few games make extensive use of the mechanic.

I thought Mega Man Legends was kinda cool, though the controls could really use some work.


Bionic Commando 3d would be sweet, wouldn't it?

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 12, 2007, 05:18:23 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1  Come Friday and find out what could be one of the biggest no-brainers in retuning franchises to Wii.


Pap was right.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 12, 2007, 05:29:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1  Come Friday and find out what could be one of the biggest no-brainers in retuning franchises to Wii.


Pap was right.


I'm flattered!

But seriously, is this about the thread I made where I said that Samba de Amigo should be on the Wii and would work well?

If so, I wouldn't give myself FULL credit since I do remember someone saying that the minute Nintendo unveiled the Nun chuck and the Wiimote in 2005 they thought of Samba de Amigo. Plus, I read that Miyamoto is a HUUUUUUGE SDA fan, so I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo is actually trying to bring the series over to the Wii.

And finally like the quote says, this is a no brainer. The engine might need to change, yeah, but overall the game's concept begs to be on the Wii.

Just a quick mention on Medacast should do well, if the news is true I mean .
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: vudu on May 07, 2007, 10:23:36 AM
... grain of salt ... yadda yadda ...

RUMOR - Rockstar’s Table Tennis heading to the Wii
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 07, 2007, 10:41:40 AM
Meh, didn't buy Table Tennis for my 360, not going to buy it for Wii... =|

Now Karous, on the other hand...This is a rumour I can enjoy!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on May 07, 2007, 02:25:23 PM
More shmups is always a good thing. :D
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 07, 2007, 03:54:07 PM
Wait a minute...

What the hell happened to this??
"Think NiGHTS was the only retro-game by SEGA coming back to life? Think again. Come Friday and find out what could be one of the biggest no-brainers in retuning franchises to Wii.

Let’s just say that DK: Bongo Blast probably won’t be the only Wii game you’ll be shaking beats to this year."

Looks like that rumor was full of it.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 08, 2007, 03:15:20 AM
Or maybe Sega just didn't feel like revealing the game yet? =)
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Ceric on May 08, 2007, 03:34:13 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: pap64
Wait a minute...

What the hell happened to this??
"Think NiGHTS was the only retro-game by SEGA coming back to life? Think again. Come Friday and find out what could be one of the biggest no-brainers in retuning franchises to Wii.

Let’s just say that DK: Bongo Blast probably won’t be the only Wii game you’ll be shaking beats to this year."

Looks like that rumor was full of it.


It never said which Friday to come back at.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 08, 2007, 05:08:24 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: vudu
... grain of salt ... yadda yadda ...

RUMOR - Rockstar’s Table Tennis heading to the Wii
since RTT and GTAIV are based on the same engine, I wonder if GTAIV Wii rumours will pop out all over the place....
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 08, 2007, 06:11:17 AM
You should be able to play Table Tennis in GTA4.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Louieturkey on May 08, 2007, 10:28:47 AM
You probably will be able to play TT in GTA4.   TT sales are dying down so just throw the game into GTA4 and add a feature with ease.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2007, 05:45:44 AM
Harmonix & MTV's Rockband coming to Wii?
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A focus group participant said that testers specifically said the game, already announced on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, would be coming to the Wii as well. On top of that, they were told that the game's set list will feature nothing but original artists, and that the drum peripheral (which Harmonix CEO Alex Rigopulos promised would be "a really impressive piece of hardware") will feature a drum with a kick pedal and real sticks.

The group was asked what it thought about a bundle including the game, a wireless guitar, a drum kit, and a microphone being priced at $200. The notion wasn't terribly popular, but it became slightly more appealing to the group when the price was lowered to $175. At $150, the reader said everyone in the group was on board.


So in summary:
-Coming to Wii
-Drum peripheral comes with kick pedal and real sticks ("real impressive piece of hardware")
-All about original artists
-Bundle with game, wireless guitar, drum kit, micrphone with possible price range of $150-$200

Hopefully it ships fully featured like the 360 and PS3 counterparts (that means fully online enabled - no shortcomings ) and also comes out at the same time as the other two versions too.  

edit: apparently I've been sleeping for the last couple of weeks, as I guess this has already been confirmed by Harmonix.
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US, April 2, 2007 - During a conference call to announce its latest music game Rock Band for release on Xbox 360 and PS3, Harmonix CEO Alex Rigopulos hinted strongly that a Wii-specific version of the title would be coming out in the future. When asked if there was any chance Rock Band would arrive on Wii, Rigopulos said without hesitation, "Absolutely."

"We will, at some time, bring Rock Band to every [important] platform," Rigopulos said. He added that Harmonix would optimize future versions of Rock Band to fit the strengths of the platform. "I think the Wiimote is something that holds enormous promise."
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: ShyGuy on May 26, 2007, 04:06:51 PM
Ghastly rumor that will spread like poison!

Crysis Screenshot on the Wii?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2007, 05:40:00 PM
This one is worse

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Link then appears screaming for a very brief second before the screen turns black and a tri-force slams onto the screen and smashes in to pieces.

If the character model used for Link is any indication of where this series is headed, expect ultra-realism, grittiness, and a very dark feel.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......... Oh dear, that'll be the day. Frank Miller's The Legend of Zelda.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Caterkiller on May 26, 2007, 06:19:28 PM
You know, most of that seemed pretty legit, but when I read the Zelda part, im like "maaaan!"

Honestly, does anyone wan't Zelda to get any darker than it has in TP? I think where its at is fine, and I don't mind things being upped a notch here and there, but ultra realism? come on guys!  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2007, 06:39:41 PM
I didn't think Twilight Princess was that dark. Nintendo didn't really push the limits as far as what I expect in a Zelda game. Comparatively, Wind Waker had a more brutal death scene. They didn't even show Ganondorf getting stabbed at the end of Twilight Princess. Even Ocarina of Time's ending was edgier.

Still, I wouldn't say I want Zelda to be "dark." Some things need work, but making a game dark isn't the only way to go.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Shift Key on May 26, 2007, 06:46:13 PM
I'll believe that Zelda news when I see the video. Until now all I smell is lies - or maybe that's the GAF part of the story.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on May 26, 2007, 07:28:20 PM
TP wasn't very dark at all.  I wouldn't mind a darker Zelda, but I don't think I'd like a Zelda game that had a more realistic look than TP.

Either way though, it sounds pretty bogus.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: mantidor on May 26, 2007, 08:23:52 PM
Anyone who thinks downloadable content is a nice idea should be shot, I want a complete game. I really have no idea how to apply the connect24 thing to games, the only thing is having feedback from the weather channel to change the enviroment of the game, but I don't know if it would fit with Metroid well, besides that, I really don't know.

Sounds like a lot of educated guesses to support the absurd idea of hyperrealist screaming Link, but no one is buying it.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on May 26, 2007, 09:48:48 PM
It is possible to release additional content for a complete game, you know...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: IceCold on May 26, 2007, 09:57:37 PM
From the rumour thread.. (re: Disaster)
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The game still appeared to be very much “in development” due to the lack of playable areas, but featured graphics much improved from the E3 Trailer.
Heh. E3 trailer? More like a three second FMV clip..
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Ghisy on May 26, 2007, 11:55:10 PM
From that thread on neogaf, seems like everyone is excited about the game "BS".
I wonder what it could be...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2007, 02:06:18 AM
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Vision Red – Original Nintendo RPG. Looked similar to Final Fantasy VII in terms of character design and style of play.


That is the only thing in there that was remotely not just something from the rumor mills or a forgone conclusion.  I'll still wait and see.  When is E3 again?

Edit:
Also on the Crysis front.  I could see that happening. I could actually see that happening with a few games.  If MS spins it right having some online enabled game be 360,PC, and Wii and then leveraging their whole Live their trying to do might make them some money.  The whole idea was that this was suppose to appeal to you if you like to play a certain style.  Since I personally don't think it be in MS's best interest to emulate the Wiimote anytime soon this would be a way to offer that style of play to their online customers.  Yes I could see that happening.  I could also see that if it really took off and was popular for the control scheme we would eventually see a Halo3 Multiplayer game on the Wii.  It wouldn't have the single-player portion at all.  Just a tutorial for the new controls and Multiplayer.  The more people on Live the better for MS and if they can get companies to use the service for a competing system as well all the better.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2007, 03:18:02 AM
I was originally gonna post that [strike]dream scenario[/strike] rumor, but all of the following was why I didn't bother:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......... Oh dear, that'll be the day. Frank Miller's The Legend of Zelda.

Quote

I'll believe that Zelda news when I see the video. Until now all I smell is lies - or maybe that's the GAF part of the story.

Quote

Either way though, it sounds pretty bogus.

Quote

Sounds like a lot of educated guesses to support the absurd idea of hyperrealist screaming Link, but no one is buying it.

Quote

From that thread on neogaf, seems like everyone is excited about the game "BS".
I wonder what it could be...

Maybe I should have just posted it for the laughs and giggles.

As for the Crysis thing, lets hope that it is true, and I will but it in support for more developers of that type just to support the Wii.
It would be kinda like why I'm gonna buy Manhunt 2 for Wii... just to show that games for mature gamers will sell to all of us older gamers on the Wii.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2007, 03:39:42 AM
I like to send that message that mature games are indeed welcomed but I ain't touching Manhunt 2 with a ten foot pole unless I'm made to.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 02, 2007, 04:19:17 PM
Newest Rumor posted at GoNintendo talks about a possible Hard Drive announcement for the Wii.

Before you just cast the rumor away it comes from speculation from the IGN staff, whom are a little better source than most rumors.

The thought is that with Neo Geo VC games about to come out a new hard drive attachment could help out the problems with Wii Storage.

This could a very good thing for the Nintendo Wii, and lets discuss what will also have to come with this update.

First, we will most likely see an firmware update to the Wii that will allow for game saves and virtual console games to be saved to the hard drive, and be played from the hard drive.  So with this upgrade we could see some other huge promises for the system.

1) New Wii Internet Browser that will allow you to cache web pages, download save movies, and actually have more of the functions we expect from all web browsers.

2)The 512 FLASH RAM could eventually be used as Virtual memory to provide more RAM for the Wii.  This is unlikely, but could be plausible if a new Wii console is built that combines the hard drive.

3)Original VC console games on the way with higher size limitation.

4)Downloaded Preview Channel

5)Music/Movie Channel

6)New version of Mii with more options, and perhaps a chat program

Obviously, this E3 could have huge announcements as several of these ideas will appeal to Non-Gamer and Gamer alike.  And if Nintendo could release a nice hard drive for around $50-79.00   Then it could be a huge success.  Nintendo could even package it hard drive with a free download card or game stored right on the hard drive already.


Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 02, 2007, 05:14:20 PM
Doesn't the Wii already have USB ports that allow external hard drives to be hooked up? I could be wrong on that, and if so please forgive my ignorance. I just think it would be better if Nintendo let us use our existing USB storage things instead of buying somethnig new that would only work with the Wii...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2007, 05:17:11 PM
A lot of people hate the idea of a hard drive for Wii. I don't really see why. If you don't want it, don't get it. I think Wii could use a hard drive and that it could open up a multitude of possibilities. I probably wouldn't buy one or if I did, I'd need a good reason to, but I'm not opposed to Nintendo releasing one.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2007, 06:01:15 PM
Unfortunately that is not a NEW rumor

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 March 18, 2007
The rumor comes from the Japanese gamer mag - GameLabo
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The meat of the rumour, which has been doing the rounds on several US and European websites over the weekend, suggests that a Nintendo meeting took place recently to discuss the subject of an external hard drive for Wii.

While the story might sound a bit ridiculous on the face of it, fact is that many Wii gamers have already hit their limit on the Flash memory that comes with the console - especially if you've been downloading as many VC games as you can get your hands on.

Source - Computer&Videogames.com


But it is good to hear it is still floating around, hopefully it come true. E3 is now too far away, we shouldn't have to wait till the end of summer to find out about all the good stuff.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: ShyGuy on June 02, 2007, 07:14:16 PM
I would like to see a game come with a 2gb SD card for a swap file of sorts. Animal Crossing came with a memory card, so I don't think it's out of line. A $60 MMOG with a 2gb SD card for storage; yep that would be tops.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 03, 2007, 01:46:33 AM
I understand the concept behind not wanting a hard drive.  It is an additional cost to your system.  Personally though, I don't mind it...if it means that Nintendo can do more things than it could before.

Like mentioning creating virtual RAM so games can be bigger or better...or improving several key functions to the Wii that need fixing.  The problem isn't the hard drive it would be pricing it, and creating it as an acceptable upgrade for the system.  

I remember when Nintendo added the 4 MEGS of RAM with Donkey Kong 64.  It created new life for the Nintendo 64, but everyone feared it would divided the N64 audience and confuse developers because some would program for the additional RAM and others wouldn't.

Well, it turned out not to be a big deal at all.  And helped bring about many a great game.  Why can't the Wii benefit from such an upgrade?

I can see either having a very affordable standalone price $59.99-79.99 with some sort of additional little benefit attached to it like a free $10.00 download card, or new software already installed on it.  (Just the idea of having a more advanced Mii system would make me buy it.)  

Or actually creating a must own game that requires the hard drive and having it packed it...this could go for $79.99-89.99.  This would be a dangerous way to go because of the cost of the game...but as Guitar Hero has shown us people are willing to pay for a great game.  The real importance would be showing gamers the additional benefits of the hard drive beyond that one single game.

The SD card idea is nice, but it isn't perfect.  Several things you can with a large hard drive that an SD card just won't do as easily.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 04/12/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2007, 07:25:10 AM
I thought I would waste some more time and update this list.

07/09/2006
-An Actual Pokemon RPG may be in the works (?)
-A WiiDS connectivity game is in the works (true)
-Lots of side-quest still being added to Zelda: Twilight Princess (true)
-Tingle is also in Zelda: Twilight Princess (false)
-Many peripherals are in the works and a Mic may even be added to the Wiimote (true and false)

7/14/2006
If DQ Wii and DQ DS sell well then Dragon Quest IX will be exclusive for Wii (false, it ended up on DS)

07/25/2006
-Wii could be more powerful than we have been led to believe(Broadway 1.5ghz & Hollywood 555mhz) (false)

7/31/2006
Official Nintendo docs leaked to reveal Wii specs? (true, I think)

8/04/2006
Sources close to Nintendo of Europe tell IGN that the company is underway with a sequel to the hit GameCube sports title Super Mario Strikers. Furthermore, insiders allege that the title could be unveiled later this month at the Games Convention 2006 in Leipzig, Germany (this happened right?)

08/11/2006
- Possible delay for Metroid Prime 3 (true)
- Dragon Quest Swords probably not going to make launch (true)
- THQ Wii exclusive event next Tuesday (true, but it wasn't Wii exclusive)

8/15/2006
- Larger order of chips = lower price for Nintendo (makes sense)
- Wii could launch @ $199 US (it could have)
- Nintendo developing Brain & Diet Training games for Wii (true?)
- BT & DT aimed for pre Christmas release (didn't happen)

08/27/2006
-Sept. 14th Nintendo will reveal the last secret of the Wii (I've heard no secret)
-The last secret is a Head Mounted Display (false?)
-Disaster: Day of Crisis is the first game to use this HMD (?)
-Disaster is to release in January 2007 (false)

10/28/2006
-CNN content provider of news contendt for news channel (false)
-Spin the globe to find news stories around the world (true)
-Sega moved most of it develepment from PS3 to Wii over summer (true, but probably not as early as last summer)
-DVD capable Wii for Japan in 2007 (was announced, could still happen)

01/03/2007
-DQ Swords to be a Wii pack-in in 2007 (not gonna happen while Wii is still being sold out)

01/06/2007
-Fire Emblem has two parts (false)
-NiGHTS Wii (true)
-SE & Disney to put KH on Nintendo consoles (lets hope so)

01/09/2007
-SE to sell two franchises (KH & Mana to Disney?) (Most likely false)

01/24/2007
-Nintendo to release Wiimote v2.0 (rubber grips & rechargeable batteries)(False, but 3rd parties have provided those upgrades)

01/29/2007
-New colors for Wii Q4 2007 (very likely, but we'll see)

01/31/2007
-Konami to announce a "flood" of games for Wii (I wouldn't call it a flood, but it was related to water)

02/03/2007
-Guilty Gear coming to Wii (true)

03/10/2007 technically from 02/25/2007
-EA developing a dancing game for wii that uses a microphone (true)

03/18/2007
-Nintendo to release an external HDD for Wii (waiting for E3, but rumor just resurfaced by IGN editors on 06/02/2007)

04/09/2007
-Assasins Creed coming to DS & Wii (waiting for E3...)

04/10/2007
-Free Radical has a Wii exclusive FPS on the way, could be TimeSplitter 4 (waiting for E3...)
-A Wii Nascar game is being held back to incorporate online capabilities (waiting for E3...)
-Capcom is to revamp an old franchise into the 3D 3rd person realm (waiting for E3...)

04/12/2007
-Sega to make a game that will have you "shaking to beats" this year <Samba De Amigo?> (waiting for E3...)

05/07/2007
-RockStar to bring TableTennis to the Wii  (waiting for E3...)
-Dreamcast shooter Karous may be headed to Wii  (waiting for E3...)

05/26/2007
-Crysis in development for Wii (waiting for E3...)

thats not all the rumors, but its most of them.    
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 05/26/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 03, 2007, 03:43:40 PM
Great update on the rumors.  It is always great to see that some rumors do come true, and the outlandish ones always seem to be false.  The lesson is to try to evaluate everything you read with a question of plausibility.  

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 05/26/2007)
Post by: vudu on June 15, 2007, 07:57:51 AM
This isn't a rumor, but since we've talked about it a bunch on here, might as well post this here.

Wii Blaster for sale at EB Games for $19.99; available 6/26/07.  Compatible with Wii shooting game software such as Wii Play, Nintendo Duck Hunt, Resident Evil 4 – Wii Edition, Chicken Shoot, Brothers in Arms: Double Time, and more.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 05/26/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 15, 2007, 08:04:02 AM
Yes, Guilty Gear Dust Strikers was announced.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 05/26/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 15, 2007, 08:08:03 AM
that blaster is the ugliest one I've seen yet.
When do one of the other ones mentioned in >this< get released?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 05/26/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 18, 2007, 03:26:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Yes, Guilty Gear Dust Strikers was announced.

If you are talking about the Wii version, it's Accent Core...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 05/26/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 19, 2007, 07:08:10 AM
Whoops, you're right.

My bad.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 05/26/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 19, 2007, 07:41:31 AM
OMG - Nintendo going 3rd Party!!!

Ok. now that I got that out of the way, it is time to break out the old Apple & Nintendo rumor log and add this one to that never dieing list.
Apparently Nintendo is gonna license out games for the iPhone, which would technically make Nintendo a 3rd party to Apple.


If you can’t beat them join them. With the iPhone days away from being launched Nintendo has apparently begun working with Apple, licensing a limited amount of content for the new phone. It was rumored a while back that Nintendo was planning on releasing a phone on their own, however this was scuttled shortly after the iPhone was first shown in January.


The games, likely to be aimed at the "casual gamer" market, will be released on the iTunes Store for about $29.99 a piece and will use the multi-touch touch screen inplace of a d-pad and buttons.


Asked anonymously whether or not these games would cut into Nintendo DS sales, we heard a resounding no. The logic is that because the licensed games will be exclusive and cater to an older audience they should not intrude into Nintendo’s existing markets.
The one thing Nintendo does worry about is their amount of control of Apple. While not developing a cell phone internally has its advantages, giving up control of platform has not historically been a practice Nintendo has taken. Nevertheless Nintendo sees gaming on Mobile Smart Phones as a threat to their core business and a partnership with Apple could be seen as a bold move into a very profitable market.  One thing is for sure Nintendo should expect to share in the marketing spotlight of the iPhone in the same way that AT&T has.


You might even think that this may be the first step in licensing some multi-touch screen action for the DS2 (coming in 2010?) should this rumor hold true. It would also resurface the iTunes channel for Wii rumor (was that a rumor?) and the collaborative project to take on MS from Nintendo and Apple rumors from way back.    
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 05/26/2007)
Post by: Ceric on June 19, 2007, 07:46:51 AM
I way to play with technology your going to be R&Ding and maybe making a profit.  Sounds great.  Though I don't see this long term and I hope they don't put their big guns there or we may end up with Lip Stick Link again.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 06/19/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2007, 05:03:54 PM
Beautiful Katamari PS3 canned in favor of Beautiful KatamarWii

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Namco Bandai revealed earlier this year that it was developing the next-generation Katamari Damacy sequel, Beautiful Katamari, for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. Up until recently, the developer continued to work on both versions of the project. However, sources close to Namco Bandai tell IGN that the studio ran into some trouble with the port of the game to PlayStation 3 and these issues, coupled with the stalled sales of the system, have led to the project's quiet cancellation. Looking to better-than-expected sales of Wii, the company has, say insiders, re-shifted resources to ready a Wii build of Beautiful Katamari instead. Given that the title cannot be ported from Xbox 360, the game is being re-concepted for Wii.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 06/29/2007)
Post by: Caliban on June 29, 2007, 05:48:50 PM
"Easy on the nuts", says Sony.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 06/29/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on June 29, 2007, 07:12:06 PM
OMFG no way! Beautiful Katamari on Wii would be so for the win.

Please let this rumor be true.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 06/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on June 29, 2007, 10:27:15 PM
Please! PLEASE!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 06/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on July 08, 2007, 04:04:03 PM
Here's a nice juicy rumor:

Mario Kart will be revealed at E3, release in Europe in '07, US in '08, because SSBB will be delayed in Europe 'till '08.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 06/29/2007)
Post by: Crimm on July 08, 2007, 04:06:12 PM
Hmm, the question is "will it have online?"
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 06/29/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 08, 2007, 04:25:00 PM
If it doesn't have online then there is no point in releasing it.

and this rumor has been added to the OP.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Crimm on July 08, 2007, 05:37:46 PM
This is Nintendo we're talking about.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: EasyCure on July 08, 2007, 06:25:30 PM
I wonder how the controls will be for mario cart. In an old thread, probably about last years E3, I had come up with a few ideas but that was before playing excite truck and feeling how smooth it controls by tilting. Unless they add something new to the mix that involves more buttons i think holding the wiimote sideways would be good enough.

Steer = tilting
Accelerate = 2
Brake = 1
Items = B
Hop/drift = A (hold for drifting)
Dpad = hold to throw items in a certain direction

if they go the double dash route again i expect alot of shaking at the start of the race... Ugh i hope they don't do another doubled dash
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: couchmonkey on July 09, 2007, 11:36:50 AM
It might be hard to get consistent, but I'd like to see your exact control scheme, only with a flick of the controller to hop...then landing with the controller tilted initiates a drift.  If it was implemented well, it would rule.  If not, it might just be annoying.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Plugabugz on July 09, 2007, 12:06:42 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
Here's a nice juicy rumor:

Mario Kart will be revealed at E3, release in Europe in '07, US in '08, because SSBB will be delayed in Europe 'till '08.


I don't believe this. Mario Galaxy, Paper Mario, Mario Kart and Metroid Prime 3 released from August to the end of 2007? Really?

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 09, 2007, 12:44:31 PM
Easycure:  I really like your control setup.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that setup.

Though I think you can completely negate the B button for items and just use that for the hop.  Here is my reasoning.  If you are already pushing the D-Pad for item use, why not just tap any direction for items that can held behind you or the triple turtle shells that act like a shield.

Then you can even decide to hold an item in front, left, right or behind you for different kinds of offensive and defensive manuevers.

This control scheme would really push the Mario Kart battle elements to a new degree of strategy and aggressive play.  I also believe that the double dash characters is the way to really make this battle system look and play aggressive and cool.  

I am not talking about that co-op mode.  But the idea of having DK or another character being the personality fighting other racers.  Having Luigi actually throwing a green shell sideways would be the coolest thing since Mario Kart SNES.  Being able to spot what an opponent's weapon is in their hands before they use it would add more depth to racing, as you plan the best way to pass your opponent without getting burned.  

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: couchmonkey on July 10, 2007, 06:17:19 AM
Rumour: Mario and friends to wear helmets in next Mario Kart game due to NHTSA complaints.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 10, 2007, 06:33:12 AM
Couchmonkey:  I haven't heard that...but with the really cool redesigns for Super Mario Strikers I am ok with any interesting redesigns that could give them personality and edge.

Though for the record, I don't think I believe that rumor.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 10, 2007, 06:42:34 AM
This one os taken from the Pre-E3 Expectations Thread.
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Rumor Reporter appears to be pretty confident that Camelot will be showing off a Wii RPG at E3...I'm pretty sure that if he's wrong, we have a legal right to devour him!

I would love for them to be right, but then again, a BBQ by Bill does sound a little interesting.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Requiem on July 10, 2007, 06:43:18 AM
I.......I think he was joking.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 10, 2007, 06:57:08 AM
But I want some BBQ..... I hear Rumor Reporter taste like chicken and with the right sauce you would never know the difference.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 10, 2007, 07:00:37 AM
I believe that Requiem was responding to Spak, but the order it's in is rather amusing...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 10, 2007, 07:02:35 AM
So the BBQ is still a possibility?

*grabs fork and knife*

I call the sweet cheek meat!!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: EasyCure on July 10, 2007, 07:23:16 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Easycure:  I really like your control setup.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that setup.

Though I think you can completely negate the B button for items and just use that for the hop.  Here is my reasoning.  If you are already pushing the D-Pad for item use, why not just tap any direction for items that can held behind you or the triple turtle shells that act like a shield.

Then you can even decide to hold an item in front, left, right or behind you for different kinds of offensive and defensive manuevers.

This control scheme would really push the Mario Kart battle elements to a new degree of strategy and aggressive play.  I also believe that the double dash characters is the way to really make this battle system look and play aggressive and cool.  

I am not talking about that co-op mode.  But the idea of having DK or another character being the personality fighting other racers.  Having Luigi actually throwing a green shell sideways would be the coolest thing since Mario Kart SNES.  Being able to spot what an opponent's weapon is in their hands before they use it would add more depth to racing, as you plan the best way to pass your opponent without getting burned.


Thanks, alot.

i agree about adding newer battle elements as simple as all directional item throwing, its something i thought we'd of seem by now but i have to disagree about just using the d-pad for items simply because its small and you'd risk shooting it off in the wrong direction.

you know how when you have the banana bunch item and you press the button to release them and they trail behind you?
Well i want all (offensive) items to be treated that way. You press B, your items are set to be released w/o having to hold B, than you shoot them off with the d-pad. I think that simple enough.

CouchMonkey: I thought about that but even if implemented well it'd cause you to lose control a little. I wouldn't mind it if they used both ways
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on July 10, 2007, 11:25:43 AM
According to a photo take from a french web site, the Nintendo Wii version of DBZ:TB3 will feature an online battle mode:

Picture and story shown here

Edit: Confirmed from IGN. Sweet!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 10, 2007, 11:38:45 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: EasyCure
Quote

Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Easycure:  I really like your control setup.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that setup.

Though I think you can completely negate the B button for items and just use that for the hop.  Here is my reasoning.  If you are already pushing the D-Pad for item use, why not just tap any direction for items that can held behind you or the triple turtle shells that act like a shield.

Then you can even decide to hold an item in front, left, right or behind you for different kinds of offensive and defensive manuevers.

This control scheme would really push the Mario Kart battle elements to a new degree of strategy and aggressive play.  I also believe that the double dash characters is the way to really make this battle system look and play aggressive and cool.  

I am not talking about that co-op mode.  But the idea of having DK or another character being the personality fighting other racers.  Having Luigi actually throwing a green shell sideways would be the coolest thing since Mario Kart SNES.  Being able to spot what an opponent's weapon is in their hands before they use it would add more depth to racing, as you plan the best way to pass your opponent without getting burned.


Thanks, alot.

i agree about adding newer battle elements as simple as all directional item throwing, its something i thought we'd of seem by now but i have to disagree about just using the d-pad for items simply because its small and you'd risk shooting it off in the wrong direction.

you know how when you have the banana bunch item and you press the button to release them and they trail behind you?
Well i want all (offensive) items to be treated that way. You press B, your items are set to be released w/o having to hold B, than you shoot them off with the d-pad. I think that simple enough.

CouchMonkey: I thought about that but even if implemented well it'd cause you to lose control a little. I wouldn't mind it if they used both ways



I see your fear with the D-Pad.  But we are both wanting the same thing but going different routes to get it.

The holding Shells and weapons out is something I want too.  (Though not weapons, just most.)  However, I want to be able to select if I hold it out in front of the Kart to charge some one from behind or just to defend myself from an upcoming attack.  Or to the Sides So I can try to drift pass a drive and attack them at the same time.  Or the rear because I am in the lead and want protection.

Weapons can even have unique behaviors depending on how you fire them.  Red turtle shelfs fired on the left or right will seek the car that passed on last on that side, or is head of you but closest on that side.  Rear fired turtle shells will spin in place for awhile until somebody passes it and attack them.  

The easiest way to get this type of control is to just use the D-Pad.  Yeah it is small but it isn't that small, and it is totally capable of handling this type of control scheme.  As such leaving B for jumping.

Since this game is also more aggressive with the items, I would add a split second shield to all jumps.  It basically allows you block an attack if it is timed perfectly to the exact impact of the item.  But jumping can slow you down, unless you know how to do those power slides.  

Finally to prevent snaking I would add a power Slide meter that if it fills too much you will lose control and spin out.  So there is heavy risk with that potential huge reward of a mini turbo boost...which I would make more power.


Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Requiem on July 10, 2007, 04:20:08 PM
But...but....That's how your suppose to drive!

Noone wants a risk/reward situation for driving!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: EasyCure on July 10, 2007, 04:20:46 PM
Love your ideas, always do. We really do want the same things out of this game.

i'd love to be able to hold weapons no the side of your kart i just wouldn't want to have to hold the d-pad.. but i suppose it might be a better method (to use the d-pad) than holding B..

unless after your weapon is engaged you can rotate it around your vehicle using the d-pad and release it by double tapping. For instance:

-hit B for a red shell and it drags behind you as it would normally (when holding the button)
-use the dpad left to move it to that side of the kart. Another kart is approaching no your right..
- hit right on the dpad to switch. Hit it again to fire

of course that could also work by pressing B again after positioning the item with the d-pad

as for items handling differently depending on where you fire.. I have some interesting ideas on how that could work with items like mushrooms and stars as well.. perhaps we should discuss this in pm's so we don't derail this thread even more
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Requiem on July 10, 2007, 04:30:50 PM
DeRaiL IT!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: IceCold on July 10, 2007, 05:29:29 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
So the BBQ is still a possibility?

*grabs fork and knife*

I call the sweet cheek meat!!
I call the butt cheek meet!

Uhh..
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 10, 2007, 10:17:25 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
So the BBQ is still a possibility?

*grabs fork and knife*

I call the sweet cheek meat!!
I call the butt cheek meet!

Uhh..

You can't call it right after me, I called it first.
Oh, did you you think I meant face cheek? No that meat is too tough and not sweet at all...... or so I've heard.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 10, 2007, 10:18:55 PM
One last update before the Nintendo Press Conference @ 9:00am PST

I thought I would waste some more time and update this list.

07/09/2006
-An Actual Pokemon RPG may be in the works (?)
-A WiiDS connectivity game is in the works (true)
-Lots of side-quest still being added to Zelda: Twilight Princess (true)
-Tingle is also in Zelda: Twilight Princess (false)
-Many peripherals are in the works and a Mic may even be added to the Wiimote (true and false)

7/14/2006
If DQ Wii and DQ DS sell well then Dragon Quest IX will be exclusive for Wii (false, it ended up on DS)

07/25/2006
-Wii could be more powerful than we have been led to believe(Broadway 1.5ghz & Hollywood 555mhz) (false)

7/31/2006
Official Nintendo docs leaked to reveal Wii specs? (true, I think)

8/04/2006
Sources close to Nintendo of Europe tell IGN that the company is underway with a sequel to the hit GameCube sports title Super Mario Strikers. Furthermore, insiders allege that the title could be unveiled later this month at the Games Convention 2006 in Leipzig, Germany (this happened right?)

08/11/2006
- Possible delay for Metroid Prime 3 (true)
- Dragon Quest Swords probably not going to make launch (true)
- THQ Wii exclusive event next Tuesday (true, but it wasn't Wii exclusive)

8/15/2006
- Larger order of chips = lower price for Nintendo (makes sense)
- Wii could launch @ $199 US (it could have)
- Nintendo developing Brain & Diet Training games for Wii (true?)
- BT & DT aimed for pre Christmas release (didn't happen)

08/27/2006
-Sept. 14th Nintendo will reveal the last secret of the Wii (I've heard no secret)
-The last secret is a Head Mounted Display (false)
-Disaster: Day of Crisis is the first game to use this HMD (false)
-Disaster is to release in January 2007 (false)

10/28/2006
-CNN content provider of news contendt for news channel (false)
-Spin the globe to find news stories around the world (true)
-Sega moved most of it develepment from PS3 to Wii over summer (true, but probably not as early as last summer)
-DVD capable Wii for Japan in 2007 (was announced, could still happen)

01/03/2007
-DQ Swords to be a Wii pack-in in 2007 (not gonna happen while Wii is still being sold out)

01/06/2007
-Fire Emblem has two parts (false)
-NiGHTS Wii (true)
-SE & Disney to put KH on Nintendo consoles (lets hope so)

01/09/2007
-SE to sell two franchises (KH & Mana to Disney?) (Most likely false)

01/24/2007
-Nintendo to release Wiimote v2.0 (rubber grips & rechargeable batteries)(False, but 3rd parties have provided those upgrades)

01/29/2007
-New colors for Wii Q4 2007 (very likely, but we'll see)

01/31/2007
-Konami to announce a "flood" of games for Wii (I wouldn't call it a flood, but it was related to water)

02/03/2007
-Guilty Gear coming to Wii (true)

03/10/2007 technically from 02/25/2007
-EA developing a dancing game for wii that uses a microphone (true)

03/18/2007
-Nintendo to release an external HDD for Wii (waiting for Leipzig..., but rumor just resurfaced by IGN editors on 06/02/2007)

04/09/2007
-Assasins Creed coming to DS & Wii (waiting for Leipzig...)

04/10/2007
-Free Radical has a Wii exclusive FPS on the way, could be TimeSplitter 4 (waiting for Leipzig...)
-A Wii Nascar game is being held back to incorporate online capabilities (waiting for Leipzig...)
-Capcom is to revamp an old franchise into the 3D 3rd person realm (waiting for Leipzig...)

04/12/2007
-Sega to make a game that will have you "shaking to beats" this year <Samba De Amigo?> (waiting for Leipzig...)


05/07/2007
-RockStar to bring TableTennis to the Wii (Confirmed 07/18/2007)
-Dreamcast shooter Karous may be headed to Wii  (waiting for Leipzig...)

05/17/2007
-Harmonix & MTV's Rockband coming to Wii (waiting for Leipzig...)

05/26/2007
-Crysis in development for Wii (waiting for Leipzig...)

06/19/2007
-Nintendo to go "3rd party" and produce games for the Apple iPhone (waiting for Leipzig...but not likely to happen)

06/29/2007
-Beautiful Katamari PS3 canned in favor of Beautiful KatamarWii (true)

07/08/2007
-No SSBB for EUR in '07, Mario Kart Wii instead (false. Mario Kart releases WW in '08)

07/10/2007
-Camelot will show off a NEW RPG for Wii @ E3 (Bill is having a "RumorReport" BBQ if false...Leipzig?)

thats not all the rumors, but its most of them.        
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on July 10, 2007, 11:47:11 PM
Quote

01/29/2007
-New colors for Wii Q4 2007 (very likely, but we'll see)

02/03/2007
-Guilty Gear coming to Wii (was this announced?)


I doubt, in fact highly doubt, new colors will be shown off yet. Only because new colors tend to be used to move more of the product along in its life cycle and Wii still being sold out most of the time still, well it just would be silly for that to happen. It's a possibility though but I doubt it.

And yes, GGXX Accent Core is indeed coming to Wii at the end of July actually =)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Ceric on July 11, 2007, 03:05:30 AM
Your right.  It won't just be new colors but he Wii Lite.  Smaller and Brighter then the original Wii.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on July 11, 2007, 03:11:47 AM
lol! now that would be a sight to see Ceric.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on July 11, 2007, 03:11:47 AM
I just love double posting. ::slams head into a brick wall::
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2007, 08:32:35 AM
I updated the rumor listing to reflect the fact that minE3 was full of non-info for non-gamers

(waiting for TGS...)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 08:38:59 AM
-RockStar to bring TableTennis to the Wii (waiting for TGS...)
-Assasins Creed coming to DS & Wii (waiting for TGS...)
-Free Radical has a Wii exclusive FPS on the way, could be TimeSplitter 4 (waiting for TGS...)
-A Wii Nascar game is being held back to incorporate online capabilities (waiting for TGS...)
-Harmonix & MTV's Rockband coming to Wii (waiting for TGS...)
-Crysis in development for Wii (waiting for TGS...)


Why would any of this info be revealed at TGS?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2007, 09:22:10 AM
I have no idea, but it wasn't revealed at minE3 so TGS is the last hope for this year.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: that Baby guy on July 15, 2007, 09:29:47 AM
Wait, who said MK was going to be released WW in '08?  I thought they only said NA would get it in '08.  Are you sure Europe won't get it in '07 (or '09)?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2007, 09:34:56 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: thatguy
Wait, who said MK was going to be released WW in '08?  I thought they only said NA would get it in '08.  Are you sure Europe won't get it in '07 (or '09)?

It was mentioned during the conference, I updated the rumor list while I was watching it.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Requiem on July 15, 2007, 09:54:34 AM
Any rumors on new colors?

I'm still waiting for a black version.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 11:51:34 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I have no idea, but it wasn't revealed at minE3 so TGS is the last hope for this year.

There's always a chance for info at Leipzig... =)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 12:00:49 PM
I didn't realize Leipzig was on August 20-22, then in September we get TGS? Pretty cool.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 12:13:57 PM
Uhhh, I think it's August 23-26 this year...Can anyone confirm this?

(Edit: Nope, guess I just had the wrong date down...20-22 it is...)
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2007, 12:40:40 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Requiem
Any rumors on new colors?

I'm still waiting for a black version.

The rumor was that when Nintendo releases the DVD capable Wii it will be black.
That is partially why some of us were waiting for the Black Wii, but we are mostly waiting just because we want one in Black.\
DVD playing capability is just a little bonus.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 12:48:29 PM
I think Nintendo will start making new console colors for Wii once it stops selling out all across America and they can actually catch up to the demand. Then they will release new color to revive sales a bit.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Ceric on July 15, 2007, 02:37:54 PM
Everything is so late and close this year...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 18, 2007, 05:49:03 AM
Another rumor confirmed

05/07/2007
-RockStar to bring TableTennis to the Wii (Confirmed 07/18/2007)  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Louieturkey on July 18, 2007, 12:50:52 PM
Personally, I'm waiting for an orange Wii.  But in the meantime, I have my white one working just fine.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Kairon on July 19, 2007, 12:54:37 PM
Thanks to a comment by Falafelkid in one of his stories... and conveniently reported through GoNintendo...

Manhunt 2 to be allowed by Nintendo DESPITE AO rating?  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: EasyCure on July 19, 2007, 04:51:21 PM
i hate reading the comments over at go nintendo... They seem to have no intellectual skills.

after thinking it over i've come up with my opinion:

Although i don't see this being true, because even with all their safety measures in place, nintendo would not want to receive any sort of backlash from political/religious groups or the media. They know they have a hot system and they don't want to risk ruining that so close to the holiday season. (Yes i know its july but august is almost here and every year retailers prep for the holidays earlier and earlier. Last oct the Halmark store in the mall i worked at had xmas decorations up...). They've done too much to play it safe and be family oriented now more than ever. Its not a bad thing either (cept maybe friend codes) i know i had fun with my mom and sister in wiisports.

i would love for this rumor to be true however. If nintendo wants to be for everyone they should include the adults that would like to play this game. I would love to play this because of all the positive impressions it has gotten from the gaming media, even though i'm not a fan of excessive gore.

think about if it were true for a second. Imagine if they pulled this off very low profile and were able to get it on their system exclusively for even a few months. That would be fantastic!

but again i don't see this happening so i'll stop before i get my hopes up
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Kairon on July 19, 2007, 05:04:37 PM
I'm thinking if Nintendo allows this at all, it'll only be available through their store. That way they can put stringent safety measures to ensure that the people buying the game are the sorts we can expect to be held accountable for their own purchases.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 19, 2007, 07:36:36 PM
Its also possible that R* has sweetned the pot since they are now bringing Bully to the Wii. They may also be prepping a GTA IV port for Wii also, and that could be something that would persuade Nintendo into trying to work something out.

Since the whole Manhunt AO debacle, R* has announced Table Tennis and Bully, who's to say that they aren't trying their hardest to get Manhunt released and may soon offer up GTA IV too.

Maybe thats just alot of wishful thinking, but it could happen.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 19, 2007, 07:41:21 PM
Would GTA even be possible on Wii? I think that is a big question as well, we don't know how much horsepower the game takes.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 19, 2007, 07:51:52 PM
Compromises can(and will) be made, graphically. But there is no reason that it couldn't be almost exactly the same game with just a few minor graphical downgrades.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Kairon on July 19, 2007, 07:57:42 PM
Probably not. I don't expect GTA 4.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Stogi on July 19, 2007, 08:28:32 PM
I'm going to go ahead and run with the crowd and call this for what it is...

BullSh!t.

First of all, this story derived from an comment from a blog. It's not even from the blog's owner. Furthermore, it's a comment from some dude who supposedly has ties with Nintendo AND Rockster and makes it painfully obvious that he doesn't.

Secondly, why Nintendo? Interesting theory though, BnM.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 19, 2007, 09:01:54 PM
Ok, I just went to the Falafelkid blog, and read the original story
Quote

I have contact to someone who claims to work for NOA in Redmond. That person has told me in confidence that a memo was circulated about two weeks ago about Nintendo publishing ´Manhunt 2´ despite the AO rating.

One thing that I know isn't gonna happen is Nintendo Publishing Manhunt 2 regardless of what anybody may think on the situation. But I'm sure they might let R* publish it on their own.

Another thing to note it that since R* is gonna make Table Tennis for the Wii, it makes all the GTA IV rumors that much more likely since GTA IV is built using the Table Tennis engine. If Table Tennis Wii is using that same engine, then it should be a pretty easy port to move GTA IV on over to the Wii for a full all-console release, even if it arrives a little bit later than the other two versions.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Kairon on July 19, 2007, 09:05:36 PM
Oooh... dare I hope? Dare I dream?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: King of Twitch on July 19, 2007, 09:44:40 PM
GTA was on PS2, so it can't be ported to Wii. Sorry chap, just not enough horsepower. Besides, it doesn't even use DVD discs, and it's not historically the market for the series.

/konami/square
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Louieturkey on July 19, 2007, 10:55:54 PM
What are you talking about?  The Wii is much more powerful than the PS2 and just because the GC was not the market for GTA does not mean the Wii can't be.  The Wii has opened new markets and I wouldn't be suprised if rockstar wants to see how many in this new market would be willing to play their games.

Edit: BTW, absolutely love the avatar.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 20, 2007, 06:25:18 AM
Something else to keep the hopes high;

Since R* is gonna adapt the renderware engine over to Wii for use with Bully, that also makes it possible to port over GTA III, VC, SA, LCS & VCS. But instead of an old port, it could be possible that R* might make a SAS (San Andreas Stories) for Wii.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: Ceric on July 20, 2007, 06:39:16 AM
If you could get the whole GTA III series in one convenient package. That was just a little more expensive then a regular Wii game.  I think people would go for it.  Even if it only supported the Classic Controller.  Now if they could tie them together somehow as well, put in good Wii Controls, and give the game a little visual bump I think that the game would go over really well.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/08/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 20, 2007, 06:48:35 AM
I'm not sure when GTA IV is supposed to release, but I think it would be best if they released GTA San Andreas Stories first, then maybe did compilation packs later. It would be a big release to have a new made for the Wii version instead of just another port.
Then they could announce the GTA IV port over to Wii to follow the PS3 and 360 versions.

edit: After thinking it over, it might actually be a good idea to release a GTA Wiimake compilation to build a fanbase on the console before releasing a new version.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 20, 2007, 07:22:50 AM
Another Rumor that I just ran across (not sure of the legitimacy) is that R* was to announce 3 games sometime soon after E3.
Table Tennis and Bully are 2 of those 3. What will the 3rd be?

Those two were announced two days in a row, do you think something else will be announced today?
Is all this R* luv the hard work of Reggie or do you think its purely because of the phenomenal sales of the Wii.




Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Kairon on July 20, 2007, 10:11:31 AM
Hey, a "Stories" compilation WOULD be pretty awesome...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: stevey on August 03, 2007, 02:56:40 PM
step 1 steal Nintendo idea
step 2 Sue Nintendo
step 3 ???
step 4 Die
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Ceric on August 03, 2007, 04:45:44 PM
I was always under the impression that Nintendo rolled their own rumble stuff a while back and kept with that.  I hope all companies that just hold patents to sue people will be rounded up and dissolved.

Its one thing to manage and promote something, like the Bluetooth group.  Its another to hold and stagnate an industry.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: that Baby guy on August 03, 2007, 05:01:56 PM
Didn't Nintendo license Immersion technologies in the Wii-mote?  I could have sworn they did this time.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 03, 2007, 05:05:00 PM
I've thought Nintendo has always had their own way of doing the rumble, and with team of undead ninja warrior lawyers who never sleep and are always ready for court(and they are starving too), besides I don't think they have ever lost a case in court anyway. So good luck to Immersion if this is even true, but I don't think they have case anyway. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Kairon on August 03, 2007, 10:59:49 PM
Nintendo lost a price fixing case way back in '91. But Immersion can go to hell if this is true. *RAWR*
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: tiamat1990 on August 03, 2007, 11:24:36 PM
Doesn't Nintendo own a bit of Immersion?? I could have sworn I read that somewhere...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Stogi on August 03, 2007, 11:53:39 PM
I could have sworn Nintendo went around there previous case because there rumble system used one unbalanced motor instead of two.

Who knows though, I'm just pull sh!t out of my memory (/ass).
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2007, 05:14:19 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
Nintendo lost a price fixing case way back in '91. But Immersion can go to hell if this is true. *RAWR*

But wasn't that loss a win for Nintendo anyway?
Isn't that the case where they had to send out $5 coupons to owners of the NES and then all it did was spur sales of NES games, and this was right before the release of SNES anyway. From what I've read, it seems like even if they couldn't win the case in the court they would turn it into a win in the stores.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on August 04, 2007, 06:42:41 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
Nintendo lost a price fixing case way back in '91. But Immersion can go to hell if this is true. *RAWR*

But wasn't that loss a win for Nintendo anyway?
Isn't that the case where they had to send out $5 coupons to owners of the NES and then all it did was spur sales of NES games, and this was right before the release of SNES anyway. From what I've read, it seems like even if they couldn't win the case in the court they would turn it into a win in the stores.


BlackNMild is, once again, correct =)

A loss was a win for Nintendo in that case.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: stevey on August 04, 2007, 08:46:49 AM
Nintendo patented unbalanced motor(s) in it controllers and Immersion later got a patent for balanced motor in controller. But Immersion could have another patent for use rumble in VG of something dumb like that.

Btw Nintendo has lost they own lawsuit against game genie for hacking their games and the countless lawsuit with their game causing seizers and not having enough warnings about it....
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: bustin98 on August 04, 2007, 09:00:12 AM
Microsoft settled with Immersion out of court and got a piece of the company from the deal.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2007, 09:21:15 AM
MS has since sold that piece of the company back to Immersion after the settlement with Sony was done.
Immersion never had a case against Nintendo, and its likely that they still don't. I'm sure Nintendo did all of their homework before revealing the tech going into the Wiimote and thats why they were waiting for all the proper copyrights, trademarks and registered patents to go through before revealing the Wiimote to begin with.

Besides I'd hate to see Yamauchi rise from the [strike]undead[/strike] retired sector to lead his army of lawyers to battle one last time.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: NeoThunder on August 04, 2007, 10:04:44 AM
Immersion's law suit did not apply to Nintendo.  Only Microsoft and Sony

The infridgement was two motor rumble design that placed the rumble on the sides directly under the palms and used a unbalaced weight on the motor

The GameCube and Wii controller do not use this design

The N64 used a unbalanced weight in the rumble pack but was situated in a different design and location on the controller.

If Nintendo were to enable rumble on VC games using Wiimote rumble or GameCube controller rumble, it would not infrindge on Immersions patent
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: The Omen on August 08, 2007, 08:34:02 AM
 ?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: The Omen on August 08, 2007, 08:39:18 AM
Quote

4/10/2007
-Free Radical has a Wii exclusive FPS on the way, could be TimeSplitter 4 (waiting for Leipzig...)


Maybe my contact was correct?  And I might have more info next week sometime.  Lets hope anyway.

"UK studio Free Radical Design has confirmed to CVG that development of TimeSplitters 4 is well underway and anything is possible regarding the platforms it'll launch on.

"Yes, TimeSplitters 4 is happening. At the moment it's in the very early concept stages, and as yet it's unsigned to any publisher," Free Radical Design's screenwriter Rob Yescombe told us.

Regarding a platform it looks like there are no specific exclusive plans although that could change when the game's gets picked up by a publisher. You've got to think that PS3 would be a prim(ate) target given the series' history and success on PS2. "Anything and everything is currently a possibility. We're not saying no to anything," added Yescombe."


So far, so good.  LINKY
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 10, 2007, 05:38:35 PM
Another rumor, coming to attention thanks to the NeoGAF forums

Sonic Rider: Zero Gravity coming to Wii and PS2

The only thing is that they link Gamestop.com as the source, but whatever they searched for to find that, its no longer there.
But the real question is, does anybody really care? Was the first game any good?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: stevey on August 11, 2007, 02:23:16 PM
Probably true knowing Sega, I just wish Sega would stop riding sonic /horrible pun for game ideas....

 
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 15, 2007, 05:10:40 AM
DO you guys remember this rumor?
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

06/19/2007
-Nintendo to go "3rd party" and produce games for the Apple iPhone (waiting for Leipzig...but not likely to happen)

Well, something just popped up that is most likely not related to that specific rumor, but instead could have Apple trying to compete with the DS I mean NGage.

Apple's iPhone will go thumb-to-thumb with the Nintendo DS
Quote

Apple is set to use its iPhone take on Nintendo in the video games sector, according to the latest from the industry's rumour mill.

Games have been available on the iPhone since its hugely hyped launch last month.

However, a report in the New York Post today suggests that Apple has its sights firmly set on becoming a significant player in the market for “casual games” exploited by Nintendo’s phenomenally successful Wii and DS devices.

The Post report includes a quote from Kasper Jade, of AppleInsider.com, one of a throng of industry blogs with a track record of revealing forthcoming Apple moves.

“I was told that a major game developer was seeded with iPhone [technology] quite some time ago,” he said.

The newspaper also reported remarks from Peter Rojas, of Engadget, another technology blog, saying that an announcement is expected from Apple soon — “by Macworld [the company's annual convention] in January at the latest”.

A move to make the iPhone into a fully fledged gaming device would put the gadget against a legion of handheld games machines, including the Nintendo DS console and the Sony PSP.


Phone groups have also been exploring gaming, with Nokia, the world’s largest handset maker, poised to launch an updated version of its N-Gage platform this summer.


I know this has nothing to do with the Wii, but it is related to a rumor that is in the Wii rumor thread therefore I thought I should post it here.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: UERD on August 15, 2007, 05:21:05 AM
They're never going to get a significant market for games more complicated than the simple iPod games they have now.

1) It's notoriously hard to compete in the console business. Even harder in the portables business. Look at how many dead or soon to be dead handhelds there are.
2) Developers are looking for volume, not necessarily hardware quality. Unless the iPhone becomes the rip-roaring smash megahit that it currently is not, it'll be difficult to get developers to sign on.
3) If the PSP, with its lower cost, dedicated gaming hardware, and support from a company with experience in games, couldn't unseat the DS, why would Apple be able to do so?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Ceric on August 15, 2007, 05:46:31 AM
I agree with Uerd.  Especially with the cost of the iPhone and the lack of progammability by any none Apple source officially.  I'm assuming they would want to do all this digitally where you download the game which makes less sense because the iPhone has the storage space of an Nano.  I can see them "attempting this" but in the lame way as them saying you can make an app for the phone because it will run in the browser from a site.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on August 15, 2007, 09:49:58 AM
As much as I love Apple, this will never work/happen.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: The Omen on August 16, 2007, 09:58:45 AM
Add all of the reasons above to Apple having a niche following, and there's no way it would succeed.  And they know this.  Unless they release the Gpod, a gaming dedicated machine, there's absolutely no way it could work.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 11:38:16 AM
I'd rather see Apple have more games come to it's MAIN computer OS system than the iPhone.

Though I have a PPC so I doubt I would be able to play the games that come out anyway ::sniff::.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: UERD on August 16, 2007, 12:45:15 PM
Well, Starcraft 2 is going to be released for Macs. Isn't that enough?  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 12:57:50 PM
Well . . . kinda lol. (<3 SC 2)

Though Blizzard has always supported the Mac platform (and I love them for it).
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 03:23:41 PM
Source: The-MagicBox.com

Quote

- RUMOR: Nintendo is planning to release a Famicom model of Wii and Nintendo DS in Japan, which will have the same color scheme used in the classic 8-bit Famicom console.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 07/19/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 16, 2007, 08:52:52 PM
I don't know about a Famicom Wii, but I would buy this in a heart beat.


Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/17/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on August 17, 2007, 12:25:55 AM
Wow that Wii mock up looks awesome . . .
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/17/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 17, 2007, 04:20:05 AM
I wish Nintendo would make it happen.
and there is a version that keeps the blue light too.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/17/2007)
Post by: EasyCure on August 17, 2007, 04:33:27 AM
it probably wouldnt happen until around their next system launch when wii sales arent as high and they use this to boost the numbers up a tad as a collectors item.

i'd buy it in a heartbeat (even if i already bought a second, black, wii by then)

and i'd probably use it exclusively for VC games just cuz
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/17/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 17, 2007, 05:05:53 PM
Remember this rumor?

Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

04/12/2007
-Sega to make a game that will have you "shaking to beats" this year <Samba De Amigo?> (waiting for E3...)


Well... according to a NeoGAF member he was looking through the Gamestop release list today and Samba De Amigo was listed as a 2008 release for the Wii.

this image was created in celebration should this rumor actually come true.


p.s. These release list have been pretty accurate in the past, and since this rumor does make sense, that actually likens the chances that its not gonna happen
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/17/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on August 17, 2007, 06:14:16 PM
It would be the first SMART release Sega had in well . . . god I can't even remember their last smart release.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/17/2007)
Post by: Adrock on August 17, 2007, 07:53:25 PM
Sonic and the Secret Rings gave Sonic some credibility back. It wasn't fantastic, but at least it wasn't punch-a-baby terrible.

And Nights: Journey into Dreams is (going to be) a smart release. I just bought Nights into Dreams on Sega Saturn and Sega would seriously have to go completely out of their way to make a bad sequel to that game. I mean, to the point of ignoring everything that made the original fun and good. The only thing I'm really worried about is what Nights is going to sound like. I'm expecting a female voice because Nights looks awfully effeminate despite the androgynous nature of the character.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/17/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 25, 2007, 07:05:32 AM
Kingdom Hearts coming to the Wii!!??
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The latest rumor on the street is that, the wii is going to be getting some Kingdom Hearts loving from its creators. The first ever Kingdom Hearts game will be announced for the Wii at this years Tokyo Game show.

The previous Kingdom Hearts games has been exclusive to the PS2 with a Gameboy version thrown in. The developers have already confirmed the game will be coming for the next gen consoles.


I've been expecting this, so I hope it comes true.
This will probably be followed by a FFXIII announcement at next years E3 too.
Its all falling into place now.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/25/2007)
Post by: LuigiHann on August 25, 2007, 07:13:43 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I don't know about a Famicom Wii, but I would buy this in a heart beat.






Not quite the same, but pretty darn close.

http://www.decalgirl.com/browse.cfm/4,5295.htm
http://www.decalgirl.com/browse.cfm/4,5221.htm
http://www.decalgirl.com/prodimg/retro-wii.jpg

And I have this set, it looks pretty good:
http://www.wiimoteskins.com/online-shop/full_color_skins/classic_nes_theme_wii_remote__nunchuk_skin_set.html
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/25/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 25, 2007, 05:10:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
As much as I love Apple, this will never work/happen.


Agreed.

I want an iPhone because I want to be able to surf the web and send email from anywhere, not to play silly games which the DS is guaranteed to do a thousand times better.

Besides, these are different markets. If cellphone games haven't unseated the DS, why would iPhone games?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/25/2007)
Post by: MaryJane on August 26, 2007, 07:07:06 AM
Also take into consideration that the iPhone costs $350-$450 more than the DS. The DS's lead is so overwhelming that I was blown away when the Wii sold more units than it last month, and only by a "few".
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 08/25/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 09, 2007, 05:32:52 PM
According to Gaming-Age.com, it appears that the pack in game for the Wii is going to be Link's Crossbow Training.

Lets hope that they are wrong and the pack in game is indeed Duck Hunt, cause then I would even be willing to pay slightly more.
But as far as  "Link's Crossbow Training" is concerned, I don't think I need a Wii Zapper at all if thats what they are using to try and sell it to me.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: ShyGuy on September 09, 2007, 05:38:31 PM
Worst tie-in since Mario is Missing CONFIRMED

NeoGAF destroys the future.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on September 09, 2007, 05:47:32 PM
What's wrong with shootin' stuff with a crossbow?  It could be pretty interesting if they had realistic bolt physics like travel time, gravity, and wind.  You could get a feel for the physics shootin' bull's eyes before moving on to shootin' down weird flyin' creatures.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on September 09, 2007, 06:01:48 PM
...wh....what the hell does a crossbow have to do with the Zapper?

It better be duck hunt come on Nintendo . . .  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 09, 2007, 06:15:51 PM
Since when does Link use a crossbow?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Michael8983 on September 09, 2007, 06:26:51 PM
I think it's likely to be a collection of mini-games with this crossbow thing being among them.
There will probably be a Duck Hunt-esque game as well. Also one featuring Mario.
As for Link using a crossbow. Maybe they're going to give him one in the NEXT game. It would be an interesting alternative to the usual bow and arrows.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 09, 2007, 07:29:08 PM
HOGAN'S ALLEY OR DEATH
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Michael8983 on September 09, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
I bet you the week of the Zapper's release we get "Dunk Hunt" and "Hogan's Alley" on the virtual console.
The week after, "Super Scope 6" and " Yoshi's Safari" too.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Kairon on September 09, 2007, 09:27:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Since when does Link use a crossbow?


That's EXACTLY why he needs training.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 12:43:14 AM
Touché!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: mantidor on September 10, 2007, 03:56:45 AM
Damn double posts
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: mantidor on September 10, 2007, 03:57:37 AM
It's TOO obvious of a joke name, I can't believe this is real. if Nintendo wants to attract the casual crowd they would use "wiisports: archery edition", if they wanted to atract the hardcore, duckhunt would be the obvious choice. It really doesn't make a lot of sense.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 10, 2007, 05:30:33 AM
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Since when does Link use a crossbow?


Since when did Link ever use a Hookshot before LTTP? Since when did Link rode a horse before OOT? Since when did Link turn into a wolf before TP? What's wrong with Link having a slightly different version of an existing item? It's not like they gave Link a nuclear laser mecha suit to wear.

I don't mind 20 bucks for a free game. I'll take it for what it is, a nice little demo to go with my zapper. Although I admit the Wii Zapper doesn't exactly sound like the most well designed "gun" out of all the Nintendo guns from before.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 05:33:51 AM
"Since when did Link ever use a Hookshot before LTTP? Since when did Link rode a horse before OOT? Since when did Link turn into a wolf before TP? What's wrong with Link having a slightly different version of an existing item?"

Since when is a bundled-in spin-off canon?  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on September 10, 2007, 05:47:37 AM
"Since when is a bundled-in spin-off canon?"

Since when did Nintendo make bundled-in spin-offs of ZELDA?  THAT'S my main objection.  The fact that it sounds like a lame idea just adds to it.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Pale on September 10, 2007, 06:01:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Since when does Link use a crossbow?


That's EXACTLY why he needs training.

Hah, you stole my joke.  I actually had it typed out and then thought... "maybe I should read the rest of the thread first"... =P  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 10, 2007, 06:06:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
That's EXACTLY why he needs training.


It's a spoiler for the Wii LoZ game, I just know it!

And wouldn't "Cucco Hunt" be awesome?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 10, 2007, 10:37:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"Since when did Link ever use a Hookshot before LTTP? Since when did Link rode a horse before OOT? Since when did Link turn into a wolf before TP? What's wrong with Link having a slightly different version of an existing item?"

Since when is a bundled-in spin-off canon?


I don't mind a cross bow being canon. A cross bow actually does fit into the Zelda universe. You guys are acting like Nintendo suddenly made a Zelda game where Link took off his pants and slaps Zelda in the face with his man parts. Or... Link with a gun!
 
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Kairon on September 10, 2007, 10:43:07 AM
Hasn't Zelda used crossbows before? Was that what she used in the Zelda comic in NP?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 10, 2007, 10:45:04 AM
Link also turned into a Wolf in the NP Zelda comics.  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Smoke39 on September 10, 2007, 10:46:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
And wouldn't "Cucco Hunt" be awesome?

Rather.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: ShyGuy on September 10, 2007, 10:57:17 AM
Kotaku Confirms Link is getting his crossbow cert.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/nintendo-dates-wii-zapper-confirms-links-crossbow-298328.php

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Players assume the identity of hero Link, who progresses through a series of tests to perfect his crossbow marksmanship. Start with stationary bull's-eyes and graduate to moving targets before defending Link against all kinds of enemies.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 10, 2007, 11:01:27 AM
Cool, I just might pick up the Wii Zapper just for this game. Hopefully, it'll be as deep as the fishing game in TP. It's sad that a side game is better than all the other full fledge fishing games on the Wii.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: LuigiHann on September 10, 2007, 11:15:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Since when is a bundled-in spin-off canon?"

Since when did Nintendo make bundled-in spin-offs of ZELDA?


Since 4 Swords for GBA, I suppose.

The odd 2-Handed design of the Wii Zapper actually makes a little bit of sense if I think of it as a crossbow.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 11:21:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
I don't mind a cross bow being canon. A cross bow actually does fit into the Zelda universe. You guys are acting like Nintendo suddenly made a Zelda game where Link took off his pants and slaps Zelda in the face with his man parts. Or... Link with a gun!

Well, I just find it sort of weird that Link would get a new item in a non-main-quest game...Not to say I'm complaining, because I'll be getting it anyway! =D
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 10, 2007, 11:30:27 AM
To me, when I heard it's starring Link, I immediately imagined a game with beautiful scenery and Link out hunting. I'm a nature kind of guy. Of course this is just my vision, and I could end up being very disappointed. At least this tech demo will look pretty since it uses the TP engine.

It's true! Nintendo's Official Press Release!

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NINTENDO'S NEW WII ZAPPER TARGETS FUN

First Wii Game-Play Accessory Comes Packaged with Zelda Software

REDMOND, Wash., Sept. 10, 2007 - Nintendo announced today that the Wii Zapper™ interface for the hit Wii™ home video game system will come packed with Link's Crossbow Training™. The software is based on the hugely popular Legend of Zelda® series and provides a perfect demonstration of the way the Wii Zapper could be used in other games. The Wii Zapper casing houses both the motion-sensitive Wii Remote™ and Nunchuk™ controllers in a single unit for precision targeting. It goes on sale Nov. 19 at an MSRP of just $19.99.

"The Wii Zapper combines our remarkable controllers into one housing with a classic style reminiscent of arcade-style games," says George Harrison, Nintendo of America's senior vice president of marketing and corporate communications. "Both veteran and first-time players will find it brings a whole new dimension to games where targeting is key and provides even more exciting game-play experiences."

Link's Crossbow Training drops players into a world in the style of The Legend of Zelda®: Twilight Princess. Players assume the identity of hero Link, who progresses through a series of tests to perfect his crossbow marksmanship. Start with stationary bull's-eyes and graduate to moving targets before defending Link against all kinds of enemies.

Third-party publishers have lined up to support the Wii Zapper. EA's Medal of Honor Heroes™ 2 lets players take World War II into their hands with the Wii Zapper. The game features an all-new Wii-exclusive Arcade Mode that offers accessibility to gamers of all skill levels, a full single-player campaign and support for up to 32 players in multiplayer. Capcom's Resident Evil®: The Umbrella Chronicles reveals the back story behind the fall of the Umbrella Corporation by exploring locations from Resident Evil 0, 1, 2 and 3, as well as new never-before-seen locations like Umbrella's stronghold. One or two players use the Wii Zapper to take aim against a horde of zombies in first-person perspective. SEGA's Ghost Squad™ lets players replicate the arcade light-gun experience at home with the Wii Zapper.

Remember that Wii features parental controls that let adults manage the content their children can access. For more information about this and other Wii features, visit Wii.com.

The worldwide innovator in the creation of interactive entertainment, Nintendo Co., Ltd., of Kyoto, Japan, manufactures and markets hardware and software for its Wii™, Nintendo DS™, Game Boy® Advance and Nintendo GameCube™ systems. Since 1983, Nintendo has sold nearly 2.4 billion video games and more than 420 million hardware units globally, and has created industry icons like Mario™, Donkey Kong®, Metroid®, Zelda™ and Pokémon®. A wholly owned subsidiary, Nintendo of America Inc., based in Redmond, Wash., serves as headquarters for Nintendo's operations in the Western Hemisphere. For more information about Nintendo, visit the company's Web site at www.nintendo.com.

EA and Medal of Honor Heroes 2 are trademarks or registered trademarks of Electronic Arts Inc. in the U.S. and/or other countries.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 11:38:44 AM
I do wonder if Aonuma's Zelda team is behind this, or someone else...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 10, 2007, 11:40:11 AM
Well considering it's a FREE game that comes with the $20 Zapper, I don't see the problem with this.  Now if it was a $50 game that you bought seperate, that would be an outrage.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 10, 2007, 11:52:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Well considering it's a FREE game that comes with the $20 Zapper, I don't see the problem with this.  Now if it was a $50 game that you bought seperate, that would be an outrage.


You you can look at it as a free useless plastic packed with a little game.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 10, 2007, 12:08:45 PM
Horrible products.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 10, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
I always liked crossbows. They have more armor piercing power and are easier to learn how to use then normal bows.

But all bows are for sissies. Magic's cooler, but still sissy. I liked close combat more as there's more blood like one time I was fighting a dwarf and he made me run and then I pushed a boulder at him and his stubby little legs couldn't run fast enough so he went squish and I jumped up and down in the puddle and laughed.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on September 10, 2007, 12:52:34 PM
"Well, I just find it sort of weird that Link would get a new item in a non-main-quest game"

To me putting the crossbow in a "real" Zelda game would be like when they put Krystal in the main Star Fox games.  I found it really annoying that something in the main series was introduced in a spin-off.  It doesn't help that the spin-off sucked and all the Star Fox games since then have also sucked.  It might just be a coincedence though.  Quality does make a difference I guess and a crossbow is generic enough that one could have showed up eventually anyway.

Still when I'm playing a game in a series I like to forget about any shortcomings the series has had in the past so putting spin-off stuff that could easily be excluded from the main series in ruins that.  Again though if the game rules it probably won't matter.  But I REALLY don't like Nintendo's endless spin-off mania.  Not only is it hypocritical as hell for them to be always talking about innovation when they whore everything out but it dilutes the franchises and makes the series less special.  IP's are usually hurt by too much product, especially when it's blatant money-grab product and spin-offs of main series often fit that criteria.

No one gives a sh!t about Mega Man or Bomberman games anymore.  Those games might still sell but no one looks back and reflects fondly on a GBA Bomberman because so many games have been released for that IP that at some point they all just blended into each other.  Mario is at the point where if they annouce any Mario game that isn't a platformer I just don't get excited because we get tons of Mario spin-offs ever year.  They're not special or unique.  I don't want that for Zelda or Metroid though they've already crossed the spin-off bridge now with both of them.

When a company starts thinking in a way where they think of a game idea and then try to figure out how to put their existing IP into that concept, there's a problem.  It's all just corporate product then.  Nintendo could have kickstarted a NEW IP with the zapper or resurected a long dormant one that fit the concept like Duck Hunt or Battleclash.  Instead let's just find a way to get that Link character on the box and get some sales out of that.  I know this is all a business but there's a way to be less obvious about it.  Pretend Zelda is more than a brand to milk and that's how you get people to truly care about it.  The proof is in how people care about Zelda now, as it hasn't been milked to all hell...yet.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: mantidor on September 10, 2007, 01:24:48 PM
omg, Nintendo gone crazy... I still can't believe is true, what kind of audience would get this? I guess Nintendo is making some sort of joke statement with this, like "the hardcore" gamers have to get a game with "training" in the title... I would have prefered duck hunt, or even a Zombie minigame made by Capcom, Zelda really isn't about shooting so it just looks like plain milking of the franchise, and a zapper doesn't fit at all, or maybe they will sell separately some crossbow attachment?

And who really cares if it s a crossbow? its not like it would made a huge difference gameplay-wise.

EDIT: I can't wait for screenshots, maybe it would give us a hint on the future art direction of the Zelda wii game, hopefully...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Deguello on September 10, 2007, 02:23:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Nothing new from Ian.


So noted.

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When a company starts thinking in a way where they think of a game idea and then try to figure out how to put their existing IP into that concept, there's a problem. It's all just corporate product then.


So like, when they had an idea for a 2-D platformer in 1985 and decided to use their existing Mario Bros. IP, that was a problem?  Can't wait to see the paragraphs of damage control for this.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Darkheart on September 10, 2007, 02:30:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Deguello
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Nothing new from Ian.


So noted.

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When a company starts thinking in a way where they think of a game idea and then try to figure out how to put their existing IP into that concept, there's a problem. It's all just corporate product then.


So like, when they had an idea for a 2-D platformer in 1985 and decided to use their existing Mario Bros. IP, that was a problem?  Can't wait to see the paragraphs of damage control for this.


QFT

What do you think Nintendo does with their hardware.  Oh look at me Im Nintendo and I just created the N64, I have now made the analog stick. Zelda has never been in 3d before and will never use the analog stick that is such a gimmick.  

I created the Wii now and have true 3-d motion capabilities but I still have a D pad therefore all the games I make will use the D-pad!

I R NINTENDO I USE MI TECHNOWL0GEES FOR ST00PID RE4SONZ!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Adrock on September 10, 2007, 02:51:58 PM
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EDIT: I can't wait for screenshots, maybe it would give us a hint on the future art direction of the Zelda wii game, hopefully...

I think it's supposed to use Twilight Princess' art design.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 02:56:03 PM
I have a feeling that the next Zelda game will expand on Twilight Princess' style (and perhaps the same characters!)...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: 31 Flavas on September 10, 2007, 03:12:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane[...]

No one gives a sh!t about Mega Man or Bomberman games anymore.  Those games might still sell but no one looks back and reflects fondly on a GBA Bomberman because so many games have been released for that IP that at some point they all just blended into each other.
Really, you think noone cares about Mega Man or Bomberman anymore? For shame Ian.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: MLS_man_64 on September 10, 2007, 04:25:21 PM
Well, far less than they did in the NES era.  Back then every Mega Man was a big game.  Now we get six a year in a slow year  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 10, 2007, 04:29:36 PM
Nintendo fans will truly make an issue out of anything...I honestly don't understand what the fuzz is over the Wii zapper game. Its not like we are getting a second game of Zelda CD-i games or somethings. Jeez!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on September 10, 2007, 05:05:48 PM
It's just sad Pap that they have to try and milk the Zelda franchise as opposed to including a full scale remake of Duck Hunt which would have made perfect sense for such a peripheral.

And with the Zapper name . . . I . . . it . . . I mean it was just too perfect.

But alas. It's not the most disappointing thing ever to me but I'm with the "why Zelda?" crowd. . . if there is one.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Kairon on September 10, 2007, 05:16:31 PM
That's not sad. An updated Duck Hunt would be sad. Wii Play's was and I really have no idea what they could do differently from that game if they were to release a duck hunt for it. I welcome this new gaming effort from Nintendo with open arms!!!

Also, if they're re-using the TP engine for it, it'd be uber awesome. Easily developed, but a beautiful set-up to wow non-gamers, entertain casuals, and keep the hardcore at bay.

And though this probably won't be any sort of Zelda revelation... it'd make for an awesome tiny little sidequest to TP's story! They could even introduce new characters!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Mario on September 10, 2007, 06:57:18 PM
Plus let's face it, the Zelda franchise is dying in popularity. This will no doubt help it get some more fans.
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane[...]

No one gives a sh!t about Mega Man or Bomberman games anymore.  Those games might still sell but no one looks back and reflects fondly on a GBA Bomberman because so many games have been released for that IP that at some point they all just blended into each other.
Really, you think noone cares about Mega Man or Bomberman anymore? For shame Ian.



The difference is that most Megaman and pretty much all Bomberman games are exactly the same. People dont like to buy the same game over and over. These are COMPLETELY different.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: IceCold on September 10, 2007, 07:02:44 PM
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It doesn't help that the spin-off sucked and all the Star Fox games since then have also sucked.
Hey, hey hey.. Command was actually pretty good..
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That's not sad. An updated Duck Hunt would be sad. Wii Play's was and I really have no idea what they could do differently from that game if they were to release a duck hunt for it.
Hey, hey, hey.. That minigame has the best first person controls on the Wii, bar none.. I got 713 points! I R hardcore!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 10, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
Incorrect, RE4 does.  RE4 is slightly more responsive.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Adrock on September 10, 2007, 09:08:50 PM
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Easily developed, but a beautiful set-up to wow non-gamers, entertain casuals, and keep the hardcore at bay.

Wow non-gamers with Zelda? Can't say I agree with that. An updated Duck Hunt probably would've sold well almost entirely on nostalgia alone. Of course, Duck Hunt and Link's Crossbow Training on the same disc would've made the package more appealing by upping the value and targeting a wider audience.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: anubis6789 on September 10, 2007, 10:27:29 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
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It doesn't help that the spin-off sucked and all the Star Fox games since then have also sucked.
Hey, hey hey.. Command was actually pretty good..


Thanks Ice Cold, if you had not said it I would have.

I do find it strange that they are using Zelda for this though. It just sounds like it was thought up in the same meeting as the DS, which admittedly was a completely strange and unexpected concept for me when it first was shown, but it turned out great.

As far as Link ever using firearms, I would not mind really, as long as none of the guns were even semi-auto, that would kind of kill it for me. If you think about it, Hyrule already has gunpowder, what with bombs and cannons, so it is not that far of a stretch that they would have some sort of firearms. The designers also keep skirting the Western (as in Cowboys) theme, which is most prevalent in TP so that may end up being one of the next evolutionary steps in the Zelda series, kind of like how Metroid has, in my opinion, moved towards a more fantasy-esque setting then the originals (for example:Bryyo was partially destroyed by Magic ).
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Mario on September 11, 2007, 03:34:51 AM
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An updated Duck Hunt probably would've sold well almost entirely on nostalgia alone.

Yeah I think its done a couple of million sales worldwide already
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Strell on September 11, 2007, 04:08:14 AM
We don't know sh*t about the game, and already everyone has decided it's worthless.

Try a different tampon, people.  Like maybe a bigger one.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: EasyCure on September 11, 2007, 07:34:49 AM
the real reason nintendo didnt release Duck Hunt 2 with the wii zapper:

lots of those new non-gamers/casuals are PETA loving P**sy types that would hate on nintendo for promoting cruilty towards animals. if this helps get pam anderson shaking a wiimote in an experience video (in slow motion to boot) then its all WIN.

/joke


i can see where some of the hate is coming from but, like strell said you dont know sh*t about the game so you're a stupid elite fanboy for dismissing it right away

not so fast for the rest of you, because automatically loving it is just as fanboyish.

I personally won't accuse nintendo of milking the Zelda series until i see how the game is, and that doesnt just mean screenshots or vids either. i want to play it for myself and see if its any good. if its something like the Can Shooter game in WW:SM (ie screen - press start - play - game  over), thats when i'll start to worry. But if it delivers something more than i won't start to worry about seeing a Zelda Monopoly or trivial pursuit mini game compilation in the future.

as for the crossbow hate, c'mon.. is that really such a big deal? crossbows arent something that would'nt fit in the midieval-type Zelda universe. Its not like its a laser gun, rocket launcher, or a pistol/rifle. Their not turning this into Grand Theft Epona guys... geez
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 11, 2007, 08:06:25 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: EasyCure
lots of those new non-gamers/casuals are PETA loving P**sy types that would hate on nintendo for promoting cruilty towards animals. if this helps get pam anderson shaking a wiimote in an experience video (in slow motion to boot) then its all WIN.


I hadn't even considered that until now, but it actually makes the most sense.

Back when the NES and the zapper first released, animal cruelty wasn't as big of a deal. Nowadays, a game which promotes the shooting of animals and is perceived to sell to children would cause a goddamn ruckus the likes of which Nintendo could do without.

I know everyone loves duckhunt, but I think the brief cameos of the ducks in Wii Play is the extent of what we'll be getting.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: EasyCure on September 11, 2007, 08:47:21 AM
the sad part is i was joking, even though in my heart i know that our world really has become so PC that a game about hunting is considered wicked..
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: LuigiHann on September 11, 2007, 10:51:18 AM
If someone else has pointed this out, then I apologize, but I think the real reason is pretty obvious:

Why would Nintendo give you a free, updated Duck Hunt, when they can (and will) sell you the original Duck Hunt for 5 bucks? Nintendo's not bundling Duck Hunt with the Zapper because everyone who's going to buy the Zapper is gonna buy Duck Hunt anyway. And the reason Nintendo's not making a new Duck Hunt is because that would only discourage people from buying the old Duck Hunt.

I can't be the only one who came to that conclusion, right?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Strell on September 11, 2007, 10:53:41 AM
That depends.  Is Nintendo going to somehow make the Zapper compatible with NES games?

I was under the impression they didn't want to do such things.  Besides, the emulator would have to be re-written to take advantage of the Wiimote's IR capability, and I just keep seeing Nintendo as too lazy to do that.

That is, of course, unless I completely missed the part where they said they'd do all of that.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: IceCold on September 11, 2007, 11:48:17 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666
Incorrect, RE4 does.  RE4 is slightly more responsive.
RE4 is third person. And still, after playing it, I find WiiPlay more intuitive..
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2007, 04:44:24 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: EasyCure
the sad part is i was joking, even though in my heart i know that our world really has become so PC that a game about hunting is considered wicked..


Truth, and I think it is really just a matter of time before effort is made to ban hunting entirely. It isn't as popular a past time as it once was, and there is getting to be less and less places to actually hunt anymore thanks to development.

Back in 1985 (or whatever Duck Hunt came out) hunting was far more popular than it is now. I don't know if PETA even existed back then...

And the version bundled with Wii Play isn't the same as the original. It should have had that dog in it.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 14, 2007, 07:53:06 AM
If a Wii Hard Drive Rumor has not been created yet.  I am creating one now.

Right now the Wii is about to get 2 new VC systems that will require massive storage space to play the games.  This means that the Wii's little internal memory is just not going to be enough.  Aparrantly I am not the only person who agrees.  Matt over at IGN has commented he believes it is coming and it is only a matter of time.  

So this rumor is to address that issue...and I believe an announcement will be made soon about the product.  It could even be a part of the supposed September announcement.  Here is the reason I believe this is coming.  Both Neo Geo games and Turbo Graphics CD games are announced for next month releases.  And recently the NEO GEO Japanese releases were delayed.  Perhaps this delay was to in fact better time these product releases with a Hard Drive release.  Or even possibly a Wii Update release to allow games to be played off SD card, but I really doubt the latter.  

So let the rumor spread...when will this necessity finally be revealed?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: UERD on September 14, 2007, 10:04:26 AM
Nintendo seriously considering Wii demo channel?

link
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
I wonder if VC games will start being sold on discs instead of just being downloaded. Storage capacity is just one concern with these mega large games; bandwidth is the other concern. Seems that things take too long to download from the VC already... can you imagine CD sized games comprising 600-700 MB?

Plus many people don't have broadband anyway.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2007, 02:33:00 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666
Incorrect, RE4 does.  RE4 is slightly more responsive.
RE4 is third person. And still, after playing it, I find WiiPlay more intuitive..


Stop playing kids games.  The targets are gigantic to accommodate non-gamers.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 15, 2007, 06:37:53 AM
The rumor has been around
Quote

03/18/2007
-Nintendo to release an external HDD for Wii (waiting for TGS..., but rumor just resurfaced by IGN editors on 06/02/2007)
 
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Ghisy on September 15, 2007, 08:19:21 AM
Nintendo should release a 16 or 32 GB SSD for the Wii.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Adrock on September 15, 2007, 10:19:18 AM
Quote

I wonder if VC games will start being sold on discs instead of just being downloaded. Storage capacity is just one concern with these mega large games; bandwidth is the other concern. Seems that things take too long to download from the VC already... can you imagine CD sized games comprising 600-700 MB?

Probably won't happen, but I'd love it if it did. I like having hard copies of my games and I'm a sucker for compilations.

A hard drive is probably more likely.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 15, 2007, 12:47:36 PM
They better release a freaking harddrive! I need it for all those Neo Geo and Turbo Duo games!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 15, 2007, 03:14:37 PM
One more update before TGS (whenever that may be)

This is mostly rumors from just the last 12 months.

10/28/2006
-DVD capable Wii for Japan in 2007 (was announced, could still happen for 2008)

01/03/2007
-DQ Swords to be a Wii pack-in in 2007 (false)

01/06/2007
-Fire Emblem has two parts (false)
-NiGHTS Wii (true)
-SE & Disney to put KH on Nintendo consoles (lets hope so)

01/09/2007
-SE to sell two franchises (KH & Mana to Disney?) (Most likely false)

01/24/2007
-Nintendo to release Wiimote v2.0 (rubber grips & rechargeable batteries)(False, but 3rd parties have provided those upgrades)

01/29/2007
-New colors for Wii Q4 2007 (not very likely, but we'll see. Maybe in '08)

01/31/2007
-Konami to announce a "flood" of games for Wii (I wouldn't call it a flood, but it was related to water)

02/03/2007
-Guilty Gear coming to Wii (true)

03/10/2007 technically from 02/25/2007
-EA developing a dancing game for wii that uses a microphone (true)

03/18/2007
-Nintendo to release an external HDD for Wii (waiting for TGS..., but rumor just resurfaced by IGN editors on 06/02/2007)

04/09/2007
-Assasins Creed coming to DS & Wii (waiting for TGS...)

04/10/2007
-Free Radical has a Wii exclusive FPS on the way, could be TimeSplitter 4 (waiting for TGS...)
-A Wii Nascar game is being held back to incorporate online capabilities (waiting for TGS...)
-Capcom is to revamp an old franchise into the 3D 3rd person realm (waiting for TGS...)

04/12/2007
-Sega to make a game that will have you "shaking to beats" this year <Samba De Amigo!> (true)

05/07/2007
-RockStar to bring TableTennis to the Wii (Confirmed 07/18/2007)
-Dreamcast shooter Karous may be headed to Wii  (waiting for TGS...)

05/17/2007
-Harmonix & MTV's Rockband coming to Wii (mentioned, but not confirmed...)

05/26/2007
-Crysis in development for Wii (waiting for TGS...)

06/19/2007
-Nintendo to go "3rd party" and produce games for the Apple iPhone (not gonna happen)

06/29/2007
-Beautiful Katamari PS3 canned in favor of Beautiful KatamarWii (true)

07/08/2007
-No SSBB for EUR in '07, Mario Kart Wii instead (true & false. Mario Kart releases WW in '08)

07/10/2007
-Camelot will show off a NEW RPG for Wii(Bill is having a "RumorReport" BBQ if false...TGS?)

09/09/2007

According to Gaming-Age.com, the Wii Zapper pack-in game is Link's Crossbow Training. (true)

09/15/2007
-Nintendo to have a Fall Conference on 10/10/2007 (waiting for 10/10/2007...)

thats not all the rumors, but its most of them from he last 12 months.

       
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2007, 03:37:29 PM
Might as well add the rumour that there's a Ninty conference coming on October 10th...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 15, 2007, 05:02:15 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Might as well add the rumour that there's a Ninty conference coming on October 10th...


Who said that and when? Just so that I can date it and place it on the list accordingly.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2007, 05:04:14 PM
Link

Original source is Gamefront.de
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/09/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 15, 2007, 05:41:57 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Link

Original source is Gamefront.de
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Is Nintendo planning a 'Nintendo Autumn Conference 2007'?

According to reports of japanese wholesale dealers Nintendo will hold the 'NAC 2007' on 10.10.07 in Tokyo. There should be several announcements, unveilings and a presentation of the upcoming lineup.

Nintendo has neither confirmed nor officially announced this conference.


How Bill's original post should have looked ^^^
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/15/2007)
Post by: Stogi on September 17, 2007, 05:03:44 AM
When is TGS?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/15/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 17, 2007, 05:43:19 AM
Quote

-Fire Emblem has two parts (false)


Umm... what does that mean? They say 2 parts as in there are 2 games? Because the Wii version is just that, part 2 of Fire Emblem POR. Now if they're saying FE10 is split into two parts, I agree, it's false. Fire Emblem is actually split into 4 parts.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/15/2007)
Post by: Crimm on September 17, 2007, 05:48:37 AM
TGS: 9/20 - 9/23
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/15/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2007, 06:42:08 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
Quote

-Fire Emblem has two parts (false)


Umm... what does that mean? They say 2 parts as in there are 2 games? Because the Wii version is just that, part 2 of Fire Emblem POR. Now if they're saying FE10 is split into two parts, I agree, it's false. Fire Emblem is actually split into 4 parts.

I'm not 100% sure what was meant by "2 parts", but I didn't see anything where it was released as a Part 1 & Part 2 so I marked it as false. If you interpret it some other way that makes more sense, please explain and I will gladly change it.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/15/2007)
Post by: decoyman on September 18, 2007, 04:58:55 PM
If I remember right, the rumor said that it would be two parts in that it would include the original gamecube game as the first part since they're connected, right? Ol' Sothie-boy and what's-her-face... then it would continue with the next game. Hence, two parts. I'm 99% sure it turned out to be false... I mean, the game's been out in Japan for awhile, right?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/15/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 19, 2007, 02:18:33 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote

Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
Quote

-Fire Emblem has two parts (false)


Umm... what does that mean? They say 2 parts as in there are 2 games? Because the Wii version is just that, part 2 of Fire Emblem POR. Now if they're saying FE10 is split into two parts, I agree, it's false. Fire Emblem is actually split into 4 parts.

I'm not 100% sure what was meant by "2 parts", but I didn't see anything where it was released as a Part 1 & Part 2 so I marked it as false. If you interpret it some other way that makes more sense, please explain and I will gladly change it.


It's simple. The game is split into 4 parts. Each part focuses on a different main character. The final part unites all the forces together into one.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/15/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2007, 04:34:34 AM
so that would still make it false since FE is 4 parts right?
Or is there 2 parts coming to Wii? Cause I've only seen one FE game so far.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/15/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 19, 2007, 09:43:02 AM
That is correct. It's still false. When it was revealed the game would have 2 parts, that was kind of correct, but it turned out to have far more than just 2 parts. The 2 parts was partly true.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/15/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 23, 2007, 12:05:32 PM
Remeber all of this?
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 Aug, . 15th 2007
Remember this rumor?

Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

04/12/2007
-Sega to make a game that will have you "shaking to beats" this year <Samba De Amigo?> (waiting for E3...)


Well... according to a NeoGAF member he was looking through the Gamestop release list today and Samba De Amigo was listed as a 2008 release for the Wii.

this image was created in celebration should this rumor actually come true.


p.s. These release list have been pretty accurate in the past, and since this rumor does make sense, that actually likens the chances that its not gonna happen

Rumor has it that this game has been officially announced through Nintendo Power (and everyone says they never have exclusives)

Here is the supposed text from the latest magazine
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“Long before Guitar Hero took the world by storm, cult classic Samba de Amigo (For Dreamcast and arcades) was helping gamers connect with the inner musicians. Players would shake a pair of plastic maracas (and occasionally strike a pose) as a sombero-wearing monkey and other bits of assorted madness danced around the screen. If that sounds like a perfect fit for Wii, Sega agrees; the publisher will bring a new installment in the series to Nintendo’s console sometime next year. Detailes are scarse, but you’ll shake the Wii remote and nunchuk as you would the maracas (naturally), and the soundtrack will feature a mix of new and classic tunes. Surprisingly, the developer on the title is Gearbox Software, best known for its work on the acclaimed Brothers in Arms franchise.”
 
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/23/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 23, 2007, 12:12:10 PM
Its been confirmed.

Here's the cover.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/23/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 23, 2007, 12:13:41 PM
nice, why was there no thread on it?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/23/2007)
Post by: IceCold on September 23, 2007, 01:12:33 PM
Okay, well..

NiGHTS - check
Samba de Amigo - check

Panzer Dragoon - NO
Lightgun games - NO
Arcade racers - NO

I especially want Panzer Dragoon - even though Sega has deteriorated badly in the last few years, PD Orta still got great reviews across the board for Xbox, and it would be amazing with the Wii controller.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/23/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 23, 2007, 01:13:53 PM
Ghost Squad doesn't count?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/23/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 23, 2007, 01:54:35 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
nice, why was there no thread on it?


I made a thread detailing how Samba would be a logical choice for the system.

Its great that its been finally confirmed. But I am curious as to how it will play...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/23/2007)
Post by: bustin98 on September 25, 2007, 05:14:24 PM
Time to add the rumor of Viva Pinata: Party Animals heading to the Wii. (Via the 1Up Quarterman)

I'd much rather see the original or even an update to the original than another party game. But if there is connectivity between the DS version and the Wii then maybe it could have some interesting ideas.

I think its a slim to none chance of seeing Viva Pinata on the Wii in any form. Its Microsoft's attempt to woo the casual gamer. Though displaying the Microsoft logo in front of the Wii's casual audience could be a sneak attack that works in their favor.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/23/2007)
Post by: Michael8983 on September 26, 2007, 01:46:21 AM
I could see it happening. Sony is still MS's real enemy as they're competing for the traditional market with similar consoles. The Wii, on the other hand, is in a whole other universe. Almost as much so as the DS which MS had no problem with Rare developing for. Besides, MS just cares about making money, and if it thinks a quick port of Viva on the Wii will actually earn it some profit from the bad deal it made so many years ago when it paid a mint for Rare, it will happen.

 
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/23/2007)
Post by: couchmonkey on September 26, 2007, 04:21:15 AM
I have cleared my mind for a day on the subject of Viva Pinata, and I think it might actually be a good idea.

On the one hand, I believe Microsoft is being very naive if they don't consider Wii to be part of the competition.  On the other hand, it's too late now to really compete with Wii on Wii terms...360 is never going to be a serious competitor to Wii, so instead why not try to harness it as an advertising tool?  In the short run it might dissuade a few old-time Rare fans like myself from buying a 360, but in the long run it could really expand Viva Pinata's brand awareness.  How many times have we argued that this game would sell way better on Wii?

Which brings up one more point - it could be a real goldmine for MS Game Studios.  How's that profitability coming, guys?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Rhoq on September 26, 2007, 10:26:26 AM
RumorReporter.com is suggesting that the "big announcement" on G4's Attack Of The Show tomorrow night could be an in-studio appearance by Reggie to deliver the promised Wii September Surprise, or a G4-exclusive announcement of the 40GB PS3.

I personally, think it will be neither as they are touting this announcement as something that will effect the future of G4.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Adrock on September 26, 2007, 10:38:57 AM
I thought it was supposed to be the biggest announcement in G4 history. It could be videogames related, but either way, it probably won't be that earth shattering since they're hyping it up so much.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Kairon on September 26, 2007, 10:47:46 AM
Microsoft is buying them and renaming them to "Games for Windows and XBox 360?"
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: ShyGuy on September 26, 2007, 10:48:18 AM
Maybe the big announcement is G4 is changing its channel format to SpikeTV/VH1/E!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Strell on September 26, 2007, 11:09:09 AM
Maybe the big news is that they are shutting down, and no one has to suffer that nonsense anymore.

In fact, I will be disappointed if this is not the announcement.

If they could take Uwe Boll with 'em, that'd be great too.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Rhoq on September 26, 2007, 01:50:02 PM
It's not like Comcast to just give up (they own G4). I think another format change might be in the works (and probably a renaming). Comcast wants to compete directly with Viacom (Spike, MTV, VH-1, etc.)
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Rhoq on September 27, 2007, 02:37:28 AM
I caught a few minutes of AoTS last night at the end, Olivia Munn delivered a hint, which to me sounds very likely to be indicative of a Wii announcement tonight...

She said something along the lines of: "This will be something that all of America will enjoy, even my grandmother." Which, to me, falls into Nintendo's broad demo that the Wii is attracting.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 27, 2007, 03:55:19 AM
It's Olivia announcing that she's going to do porn. The only format change that would be good, would be to dump all of the G4 douchebags, and make it TechTV again, which was a much, much better channel.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2007, 04:21:26 AM
I think TechTV although it may have been a better television, doesn't have the young appeal that G4 has to bring in the MTV crowd.

Really, G4 is doing some things well and somethings horrible.  

They do have programing that is interesting and better cheap to produce.

Attack of the Show
X Play  

The problem with both of these shows is that every personality is freaking annoying and uninteresting.  They need better hosts for all their shows.

Then they have some cool stuff on air that really is a place for geek heaven.

Star Trek Next Generation,
Ninja Warrior
That Cinema Game show that cuts gameplay footage montages is cool.

What G4 needs is better hosts, and better use of their shows.  Attack of the Show is interesting, but why not push the limit with the show and either create a 2 hour show, OR break the show into smaller shows so you can get more information out.

Personally, I hope this is a Wii announcement, because I have been waiting for something cool to be announced for Wii...but that doesn't sound like a big announcement to me.  Unless it is part of a bigger announcement, or they just over hyped everything.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2007, 04:25:42 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Rhoq
She said something along the lines of: "This will be something that all of America will enjoy, even my grandmother." Which, to me, falls into Nintendo's broad demo that the Wii is attracting.

Or just G4 overestimating their appeal... =)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 27, 2007, 05:05:19 AM
I hate the "MTV crowd", I'm not part of that audience, which is why I used to enjoy TechTV. G4 absolutely needs to drop crap like Cheaters, the Man Show, Ninja Warrior, Star Trek, COPS, etc - all of those shows have absolutely NOTHING to do with gaming. Bring back Leo and Patrick, bring back Martin Seargant, bring back Kevin Rose - the guy showed the world how to mod their XBox on national TV, he deserves to be on the channel forever.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2007, 07:16:05 AM
We have to keep Ninja Warrior that show is the new "Iron Chef"  Not like the Iron Chef America that is also pretty good.

But Ninja Warrior is a legit show that is greatly entertaining on its own merit, but grows to hugely entertaining when you add the cheesy voice overs and descriptions of the contestants...just like the original Iron Chef was great for its wacky translations and voice work, but the show was still brilliant.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 27, 2007, 12:12:39 PM
Don't get me wrong, Ninja Warrior is awesome, though MXC is funnier because people get hurt, and it's more "Japanese", it just belongs on another channel. Bring back Call for Help, the Screen Savers (which is actually AOTS now), etc.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2007, 03:52:23 PM
So did anyone watch the show and see their announcement?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2007, 03:58:40 PM
It was canceled...

No, seriously...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2007, 04:13:46 PM
Canceled?

As in the announcement was canceled, or the show AOTS, or the entire network?

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2007, 05:12:15 PM
Aha, apparently they weren't given clearance to announce whatever they have, which is a pretty huge blunder on their part...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Adrock on September 27, 2007, 06:25:50 PM
Why didn't they get clearance BEFORE acting like it was the biggest thing ever? I don't know, it just seems like one of those things that you'd make sure of first.

More like biggest cock tease ever........
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Crimm on September 27, 2007, 08:47:43 PM
The kind of fail one expects when dealing with a network whose primary hiring logic is as follows:

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 28, 2007, 01:27:54 AM
Crimm I love your flowchart.  I can actually see a manager shuffling papers trying to hide the "formula" while interviewing people...asking important questions like:

Mr. Smith, have you gone trick or treating since you have graduated college?  Have you taken candy from those kids in costume?"

Mrs. Boobs, I mean Beth, what kind of costumes did you wear at Halloween parties when you were in college?"

 
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Kenology on September 28, 2007, 02:33:15 AM
Dunno if someone posted this one yet, but according to EGM's Quatermann:

Final Fantasy Tactics director Yasumi Matsuno (who also conceived and directed Tactics Ogre [SNES] and Vagrant Story [PS1], etc...) is wrangling together some of his old pals who worked on past SRPG titlles like Ogre Battle (SNES) to piece together an exclusive Wii game very similar to Final Fantasy Tactics.


Please let this be a sequel to Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together!  And I'd rather be in the vien of Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen and Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Calibur as opposed to Tactics Ogre and FFT - but I'll take what I can get.  Damn I hope this is true...  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/25/2007)
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 28, 2007, 04:45:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Kenology
Tactics Ogre: March of the Black Queen


excuse me wtf r u doin?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Crimm on September 28, 2007, 06:30:25 AM
64's squad based system allowed SO much more experimentation with classes.  

Shift this unit here.
Move this one there.
Change her class.
Move the ansate cross to her, and add some soldiers.
Give this guy a blessed sword.

Not only did you experiment with classes, but you also experimented with squad composition and layout.  You could find some absolutely unbeatable squad setups.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Kenology on September 28, 2007, 06:50:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
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Originally posted by: Kenology
Tactics Ogre: March of the Black Queen


excuse me wtf r u doin?


Oops!  My bad.  Corrected.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Strell on September 28, 2007, 08:05:21 AM
My hopes have been crushed that the entire network was being shut down.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Stogi on September 28, 2007, 08:33:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Crimm I love your flowchart.  I can actually see a manager shuffling papers trying to hide the "formula" while interviewing people...asking important questions like:

Mr. Smith, have you gone trick or treating since you have graduated college?  Have you taken candy from those kids in costume?"

Mrs. Boobs, I mean Beth, what kind of costumes did you wear at Halloween parties when you were in college?"


OH god!

I can't wait for halloween this year! It's always a competition among girls. Like, let's see who can dress up the skankiest while still looking cute. So they go out and by german beer girl outfits, and little alice in wonderland outfits. Then they go out and party even harder because it's Halloween!



I swear, it's probably my favorite holiday after thanksgiving.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: EasyCure on September 28, 2007, 08:55:09 AM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Crimm I love your flowchart.  I can actually see a manager shuffling papers trying to hide the "formula" while interviewing people...asking important questions like:

Mr. Smith, have you gone trick or treating since you have graduated college?  Have you taken candy from those kids in costume?"

Mrs. Boobs, I mean Beth, what kind of costumes did you wear at Halloween parties when you were in college?"


OH god!

I can't wait for halloween this year! It's always a competition among girls. Like, let's see who can dress up the skankiest while still looking cute. So they go out and by german beer girl outfits, and little alice in wonderland outfits. Then they go out and party even harder because it's Halloween!



I swear, it's probably my favorite holiday after thanksgiving.


mm so truuuue. i used to work in a retail store that sold tons of those slutty costumes around halloween... theres nothing like having a sexy girl try on a wonder woman costume and come out and ask your opinion on it cuz you're the only guy in the store :-D

even better was when they'd need my help zipping stuff up ;-)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Strell on September 28, 2007, 09:08:33 AM
Help zipping stuff up?

Yeah, we call'em trannies, EC.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: stevey on September 28, 2007, 02:52:45 PM
Don't act like it was just G4 that ruin TechTV cause it was sooo good that the owners had to sell it to keep their houses......

G4 was just as good as TechTV before they merge together. After they did all of G4 shows went to cr@p. Why? All of the big suit from the networks, that kept both TechTV and G4 from turning into a Nerds playground and kept them being professional, left since they thought the channel was on it's way and didn't need to intervene in anymore. (And wouldn't return as long as G4 sill had ratings.)  So, as expected from a bunch of freshly out of collage frat boys who wanted to work for a VG channel and now are place in charge of it, the network turned into the G4 of now and surely will be a hardcore (star trek) porn channel by next year.....  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Crimm on September 28, 2007, 02:58:54 PM
I disagree.  G4 had a load of garbage.

Judgement Day had that jackass
Electric Playground was always out of date and never provided much in terms of good info
Arena had the current host of Attack of the Show (who I can't stand) and the steroid freak leatherneck
Cheat was all about how many sponsors they could squeeze in
That show that was some guy talking to video game characters was stupid
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on September 28, 2007, 03:06:18 PM
Don't act like G4 ruined Tech TV? Why not? It DID ruin tech tv. It merged. All the good shows went bye bye (aside from like X-play, if you consider that a good show) and . . . yeah. I hate G4 and I hate the merger.

I miss the old Tech TV, I used to watch it all the time. Oh well.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: stevey on September 28, 2007, 03:26:05 PM
Judgement Day: I hated tommy too but unlike Xplay, they gave 2 review for every game. So if you're a sound/graphics whore listen to tommy score, if you like having fun to the other guy.

Arena: Never watch more than a sec of the garbage

Cheat: Wasn't all ad untill before they change, back before they gave indeath advice of game, cool codes, and were more for getting your money out of a game than helping loser get pass level 2

and don't mock portal!  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Blue Plant on September 28, 2007, 05:28:03 PM
I used to watch The Screen Savers quite often...  now it's perverse.  Oh well, I don't even get the channel anymore
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Crimm on September 29, 2007, 07:32:00 PM
The Pringles logo WAS ON THE SHOW LOGO!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 08, 2007, 10:37:58 AM
So what was the G4 announcement anyway?  

Also I think I need some "indeath" advice right about now.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 08, 2007, 10:41:23 AM
I bet it was Bungie and MS adjusting their business relationship. That or the $400 PS3.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 09/28/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 17, 2007, 07:26:00 PM
Not sure how this rumor was never logged in tot the records that are this thread, but...

Capcom bringing Okami to the Wii?

I'm sure its mentioned in this thread somewhere, but I didn't see it mentioned in the rumor summary.
Either way, anyone that knows whether this is true or not can't talk about it till Friday, so as usual the wait continues,
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/17/2007)
Post by: Crimm on October 18, 2007, 07:59:10 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Not sure how this rumor was never logged in tot the records that are this thread, but...

Capcom bringing Okami to the Wii?

I'm sure its mentioned in this thread somewhere, but I didn't see it mentioned in the rumor summary.
Either way, anyone that knows whether this is true or not can't talk about it till Friday, so as usual the wait continues,


It has been confirmed by eurogamer as part of Capcom's press conference.

Edit: link
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/17/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 18, 2007, 08:45:19 AM
It was a stupid announcment that G4 is getting Heroes Season 2 on Saturday starting in November.  Big Deal...actually I am kinda excited about that because I can watch heroes since I miss it on Mondays.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/17/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 18, 2007, 06:40:29 PM

Skies of Arcadia Sequel coming?
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A little out of left field, however, is news of Sega reviving Skies of Arcadia. The sky pirate RPG was criminally overlooked, despite releases on both Dreamcast and GameCube, but apparently Sega been quietly preparing a sequel to the swashbuckling adventure.


My guess is that if this is true, it will most likely release on the Wii.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Adrock on October 18, 2007, 06:48:25 PM
Interesting. I'd place my bets on a sequel being for Wii. Sega would be wise to release it for Wii granted the console has the largest install base (notably in Japan), it's easiest (and cheapest) to develop for, and is starved for RPGs. Wait, wait a minute, that'd be wise of Sega.... silly me.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 18, 2007, 06:53:52 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Skies of Arcadia Sequel coming?
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A little out of left field, however, is news of Sega reviving Skies of Arcadia. The sky pirate RPG was criminally overlooked, despite releases on both Dreamcast and GameCube, but apparently Sega been quietly preparing a sequel to the swashbuckling adventure.


My guess is that if this is true, it will most likely release on the Wii.


Oh god oh god oh god I got bored of SoA on the GC but darn it Sega please don't make me hate you!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 19, 2007, 05:06:23 AM
Well, now I have my happy thought.  I hope this does come to the Wii.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Louieturkey on October 19, 2007, 05:33:16 AM
I loved SoA and have been looking forward to a possible sequel for a while.  Hopefully, they don't ruin the series like they did to Shining Force.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 19, 2007, 06:02:06 AM
Skies of Arcadia is fantastic.  A little too crazy on random battles but overall really good.  On one hand I'd love a sequel.  On the other hand it's Sega.  I don't trust them to not f*ck it up.  Do the sequel right or don't do it at all.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 19, 2007, 07:20:52 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
My guess is that if this is true, it will most likely release on the Wii.

Well considering only the Dreamcast and Gamecube saw the original, I'm going to say...

...that Sega will pull a Sega and make it 360-exclusive...
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: MLS_man_64 on October 19, 2007, 08:23:46 AM
Skies of Arcadia Legends was my favorite Gamecube game.

Please Sega, make this happen on Wii.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 20, 2007, 06:30:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
My guess is that if this is true, it will most likely release on the Wii.

Well considering only the Dreamcast and Gamecube saw the original, I'm going to say...

...that Sega will pull a Sega and make it 360-exclusive...

Actually I was thinking if it doesn't release on Wii, it will be a PS2 exclusive and release late 2008.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Terranigma Freak on October 22, 2007, 09:36:57 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
My guess is that if this is true, it will most likely release on the Wii.

Well considering only the Dreamcast and Gamecube saw the original, I'm going to say...

...that Sega will pull a Sega and make it 360-exclusive...

Actually I was thinking if it doesn't release on Wii, it will be a PS2 exclusive and release late 2008.


It'll probably be a cell-phone game.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kenology on October 22, 2007, 02:49:40 PM
Man, Skies of Arcadia was such a great game.  I really enjoyed the direct and not-so-subtle references to the real world (and the power dynamics therein).  Let's hope this sequel is real (and on Wii).  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 22, 2007, 04:15:05 PM
Not a rumor per say, but more of wishful thinking.

But is it possible that a Psychonauts port could be coming to the Wii?

edit:
Is it also possible that Sin & Punishment 2 could be coming to the Wii?

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From the latest issue of Nintendo Power:

Sin and Punishment Wii sequel not out of the question
October 23rd, 2007

Coming from the latest issue of Nintendo Power…

NP: When we spoke a couple of years ago, you mentioned that you would like to do a sequel to Sin and Punishment. Has the team given any more thought to that? And don’t you think it would be a perfect fit for Wii?

Masato Maegawa, Treasure: When we were originally working on Sin and Punishment [for Virtual Console], there was some discussion utilizing Wii-like controls, and I think now that we’re working more with the Wii, it is something we’d very much like to try.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Strell on October 22, 2007, 07:11:44 PM
Sin and Punishment 2 would be groin grabbingly good.

The game is literally designed with the Wii in mind.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 23, 2007, 05:15:24 AM
"But is it possible that a Psychonauts port could be coming to the Wii?"

I think it's possible that ANY port could be coming to the Wii... provided it's from last gen of course.

Seriously though everyone stop getting excited about ports or wishing for ports or suggesting certain games be ported.  We're getting f*cking on support here and supporting last-gen port dumping is probably a big part of the reason.  We'll never get better support if we tolerate this lazy bullsh!t.  I don't know about you but I didn't buy a Wii to play PS2 or Xbox games.

How weird would it be for Sin & Punishment to get a sequel after being limited to Japan for years?  For years we wanted that game released in North America in some form and now we might have two S&P games on one console.  You look at that possibility and you look at how Advance Wars and Fire Emblem are now routinely released here and you wonder why Nintendo doesn't just take the risk and localize everything.  Makes their stubborness about Earthbound all the more annoying.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: anubis6789 on October 23, 2007, 11:06:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't know about you but I didn't buy a Wii to play PS2 or Xbox games.


Well some of us did not have a PS2 or Xbox when the games originally came out, and while the wanting of those games to be ported may be a selfish want, you not wanting the ports is just as selfish.

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How weird would it be for Sin & Punishment to get a sequel after being limited to Japan for years?  For years we wanted that game released in North America in some form and now we might have two S&P games on one console.  You look at that possibility and you look at how Advance Wars and Fire Emblem are now routinely released here and you wonder why Nintendo doesn't just take the risk and localize everything.  Makes their stubborness about Earthbound all the more annoying.


Yes, it does make it more annoying.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 23, 2007, 11:17:32 AM
"Well some of us did not have a PS2 or Xbox when the games originally came out, and while the wanting of those games to be ported may be a selfish want, you not wanting the ports is just as selfish."

I don't have a PS2 or Xbox either BUT if I want one I'll buy one.  A PS2 is much cheaper than a Wii and has way more games.  I don't have to hope for PS2 games I want to be ported to it because they're already on the console.  I can play every PS2 game instead of just some.

I bought the Wii for Wii games.  That's what you're supposed to buy a console for - the games that are made for the console.  I'm not being selfish, I'm being a smart consumer.  I paid a higher price for a Wii than I would have for a PS2 or Xbox (and Gamecube in some cases).  So I expect more exclusive Wii content to justify that purchase.

Now if we got ports plus new exclusives then GREAT!  There's nothing wrong with that.  But right now we're getting a lot of ports INSTEAD of new exclusives and that's crap.  The "instead" is what I'm against and don't want anyone to encourage, not the mere existence of ports.  If we can get as many games available on the Wii as possible that would awesome.  But the Wii has to be more than a retro machine.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 23, 2007, 11:32:01 AM
Of course, the reason we're getting tons of ports is because third parties were tentative in their Wii plans. They hedged their bets with cheaper ports, and they were especially attractive early on because they could be developed quicker, allowing late-arriving third-parties a shot at the 2007 Holiday season.

Not to mention that some ports are made because they actually believe it's worthwhile to make them for the wiimote and a new audience: Tecmo seems to believe so with Rygar, as does Capcom with Okami.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 23, 2007, 11:41:17 AM
This is Twilight Princess' fault.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 23, 2007, 11:43:57 AM
"Not to mention that some ports are made because they actually believe it's worthwhile to make them for the wiimote and a new audience: Tecmo seems to believe so with Rygar, as does Capcom with Okami."

Maybe so but I figure "Hey!  We don't have to make a new game!" is playing the biggest role in their decisions.

Initially we were probably getting a lot of ports because third parties underestimated the Wii and wanted to get something out as soon as possible to capitalize but now I think they're taking advantage of the situation.  Now they're releasing ports because they think they've found an audience that is easily manipulated and requires very little effort to please.  We bought their ports so now they think they have an easy way to make a profit without putting any real effort, money or time into it and they're exploiting that.  And as long as they continue to bring those profits in that's not going to change.  What incentive do they have to try harder when they don't have to?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: anubis6789 on October 23, 2007, 11:46:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't have a PS2 or Xbox either BUT if I want one I'll buy one.  A PS2 is much cheaper than a Wii and has way more games.  I don't have to hope for PS2 games I want to be ported to it because they're already on the console.  I can play every PS2 game instead of just some.
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Again though, I must restate that some of us may not be able to buy those systems.

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I bought the Wii for Wii games.  That's what you're supposed to buy a console for - the games that are made for the console.  I'm not being selfish, I'm being a smart consumer.  I paid a higher price for a Wii than I would have for a PS2 or Xbox (and Gamecube in some cases).  So I expect more exclusive Wii content to justify that purchase.


So I am guessing you do not like or use the VC?

Sorry, that was a cheap shot.

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Now if we got ports plus new exclusives then GREAT!  There's nothing wrong with that.  But right now we're getting a lot of ports INSTEAD of new exclusives and that's crap.  The "instead" is what I'm against and don't want anyone to encourage, not the mere existence of ports.  If we can get as many games available on the Wii as possible that would awesome.  But the Wii has to be more than a retro machine.


Ian, the amount of ports on the Wii is minimal compared to the new Wii games; I think I can count the ports on one hand. I do not think that the problem is as pronounced as you make it.

Just to make sure: when we are talking about ports we are talking about ports of games from last gen onto the Wii, not the usual multi-system releases that accompany things like movie releases, right?  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 23, 2007, 11:59:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
We bought their ports so now they think they have an easy way to make a profit without putting any real effort, money or time into it and they're exploiting that.


Actually, with the exception of RE4 Wii... no we didn't.

*weeps for Far Cry, and the Wii Editions of Scar Face and Godfather*

I understand what you're saying IanSane, but you're basically describing a catch-22. Do you see ANYWAY out of it aside from from taking a stand and buying games?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Athrun Zala on October 23, 2007, 12:34:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Oh god oh god oh god I got bored of SoA on the GC but darn it Sega please don't make me hate you!
I was going to comment on how much I hate you, but then I remembered that you have such a horrible peculiar taste in games...


have been waiting for this since FOREVER, make it happen Sega!

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 23, 2007, 12:41:14 PM
Haha Athrun Zula, I haven't been able to enjoy RPGs ever since they went 3D.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 23, 2007, 12:46:25 PM
"So I am guessing you do not like or use the VC?"

Actually I haven't used it yet.  I probably will in the future but I prefer to own original copies of older games.  I think it's a great feature though.

"Just to make sure: when we are talking about ports we are talking about ports of games from last gen onto the Wii, not the usual multi-system releases that accompany things like movie releases, right?"

Yes that's what we're talking about.  Last gen games.

"I understand what you're saying IanSane, but you're basically describing a catch-22. Do you see ANYWAY out of it aside from from taking a stand and buying games?"

I suppose we could support the new games that do show up and buy the ports used or wait until they're cheaper.  But if you don't own the game and it's good you might as well buy it.  You're only really doing something "wrong" if you buy crappy last gen ports.  At least lay off buying ports of games you already own.  That drives me nuts.  If you own the PS2 version of Okami don't rush out on release day to get the Wii version.  You already own the game and you can buy it any time, so why not wait a get the game used or get it later?

Whatever.  We should get back to talking about rumours.  So Sin & Punishment 2?  Neat, huh?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Athrun Zala on October 23, 2007, 12:47:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Haha Athrun Zula, I haven't been able to enjoy RPGs ever since they went 3D.
I know Keiron, I recall a certain topic where this was discussed... (I can't find it, obviously... damned search function...)
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 23, 2007, 12:47:52 PM
I'd like all talk to stay far away from Sin & Punishment 2, because I know if I hype it up too much it'll never happen... =(
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 23, 2007, 12:51:11 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Is it also possible that Sin & Punishment 2 could be coming to the Wii?


Disproved /sad.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 23, 2007, 01:21:50 PM
What?  Don't scare me with random articles that don't have anything to do with S&P... >=|
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Infernal Monkey on October 23, 2007, 01:41:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon

Oh god oh god oh god I got bored of SoA on the GC


Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: MLS_man_64 on October 23, 2007, 04:14:53 PM
Burn Kairon at the stake for his harasy  
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2007, 04:44:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon

Disproved /sad.

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"It's crazy, isn't it? We just put that in there as a placeholder for the Psychonauts page we're eventually going to have. But we made it dark and people freaked out," he told us. "While I'm sorry people got their hopes up, I'm happy that people got excited about it. Who knows? Maybe some clever publisher will see how much excitement that dark little banner generated, and send us a few million dollars to make a new Psychonauts game! "


No Tim I don't think you get it. Most of the specualtion was for a Wii port of the original Psychonauts(from what I was reading) which would hopefully lead to development of a new Psychonauts.

And Ian, that is why some of us buy some of the "last gen" ports, its because we want to show that the audience is here for that game and we also hope that if we all buy the port(proving the audience) we will hopefully be considered first when it comes time for the sequel (still waiting for RE5 for Wii announcement from Capcom).
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 23, 2007, 10:55:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"I'm not being selfish, I'm being a smart consumer.


You can spin it that way if you like, but you are being selfish; we all are. If we weren't selfish we wouldn't play games or spend money on them but instead spend that money and time helping kids in Darfur or something.

Anyways, they aren't really ports but remakes (Wii-makes, if you like) of last gen games. That said, they aren't merely ports as they do have bonus material added, and also motion control. Also, they are cheaper than new games, so I don't see the problem. If you don't like it, don't buy them. Buy games you consider acceptable instead.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Strell on October 23, 2007, 11:10:17 PM
Can we has plz rumars in rumars thread?

Rumars thread is rumars.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: 18 Days on October 24, 2007, 04:59:26 AM
In reference tot he most recent rumour actually poted in BlacknMild's opening post. No. It's not happening. I dunno if you guys have checked out sega's site lately but they more or less deny Skies ever existed. "oh that just cos it's old" wrong. Skies has been disowned since the Sammy takeover.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 24, 2007, 05:06:11 AM
More EGM rumours from the same batch the Skies rumour was yanked from:

~ Geist sequel in the works (would be rad)
~ It's A Wonderful World being localized

Also, Edge says Animal Crossing Wii to be MMO...Also of note in the article is the mention of a possible "Virtual Console" for the DS, in which we'd be able to play old Game Boy and Game Boy Color titles...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 24, 2007, 06:35:10 AM
Geist is a game that needed much more development time, and a better control system.

A sequel is definitely needed to do the game justice.  Imagine if Nintendo went all out to create Geist as their online FPS.  The game has infinitely more possibilities than other FPSers.

I just hope they refine the possessing mechanics, and in multiplayer allow for ammo to run out, and the need to hope from player to player more.  Also, if players were better defined like team fortress with strengths and weaknesses.

Oh I hope this game comes true.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on October 24, 2007, 06:57:55 AM
Geist wasn't really all that great . . . the sequel needs a lot of work done to it outside of just more development time and a better control system. IMHO.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 24, 2007, 07:48:50 AM
"A sequel is definitely needed to do the game justice. Imagine if Nintendo went all out to create Geist as their online FPS. The game has infinitely more possibilities than other FPSers."

I don't know.  I almost think it would better for Nintendo to ironically not be so innovative with an online FPS.  It's just because the Wii doesn't have one and the Gamecube didn't have one and Nintendo fans have been starved for a good exclusive FPS since Perfect Dark which came out SEVEN YEARS AGO.  While fiddling with ghosts and possessions is creative we don't really need an oddball FPS since we don't have a conventional one.  I think Nintendo should just try to make the best FPS they can and not go crazy on making it different.  Metroid Prime 3 is pretty much a "non-traditional" FPS already (though I still consider it an FPA) so do we need more (or at least more before something conventional)?

To me it's like if Mario Kart and F-Zero were it and the console didn't have any racers that just used normal cars.  I love a creative twist on a genre but sometimes you want something that plays like you expect but does it exceptionally well.  I start to crave games like that when the genre is significantly underrepresented.  It's like how on the N64 we didn't have RPGs and while I liked Paper Mario it was almost frustrating.  It's a good game but I didn't want the only RPG (that's not Ogre Battle) on the console to be so different.  I would have appreciated it more if RPGs were more common and then Paper Mario was a fresh twist.  If I haven't had pizza in ten years give me pepperoni first and then I'll try an unfamiliar flavour.

Nintendo's never made a console online FPS so really just seeing them make one would still be fresh and exciting.

Though I think I just don't trust the Geist dev to do a good job.  They've made Olsen Twins, Winx Club, Dexter's Laboratory, Austin Powers, and Rugrats games.  Geist is their best game BY FAR and that doesn't speak well of their talent.  They're a dev publishers use to get product on a platform whether it be a nothing licenced game or a portable "port" of a popular console title.  Literally everything they've made but Geist has been shovelware.  I have no idea what the hell Nintendo sees in them.

But then if Retro Studios makes a full-out online FPS then it doesn't really matter if Geist 2 exists and sucks or doesn't.  I just want some sort of awesome FPS from Nintendo that rivals Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.  But if Geist 2 is released and it isn't that great and Nintendo is all "well there's your online FPS; no need to make another one" that would suck.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: IceCold on October 24, 2007, 08:45:19 AM
You, know, I agree with you Ian. But I don't think Nintendo themselves would make "just another FPS" or "just another racing game", which is part of the reason I like them. Third parties have to step up in these areas.

EDIT: Yeah, or Retro.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 24, 2007, 08:50:47 AM
Regardless of whether or not you liked Geist, it is something to respect that Nintendo is willing to continue it as a franchise considering how poorly the first did (Same with Battalion Wars II). Unlike most companies, I think Nintendo sees potential in games and is willing to give them a second chance.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 24, 2007, 09:21:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane

Though I think I just don't trust the Geist dev to do a good job.  They've made Olsen Twins, Winx Club, Dexter's Laboratory, Austin Powers, and Rugrats games.  Geist is their best game BY FAR and that doesn't speak well of their talent.  They're a dev publishers use to get product on a platform whether it be a nothing licenced game or a portable "port" of a popular console title.  Literally everything they've made but Geist has been shovelware.  I have no idea what the hell Nintendo sees in them.


What Nintendo saw was a creative twist on the FPS genre that showed a creative spark belied by their previous work.  Sure, n-Space couldn't quite overcome their inexperience to make Geist stellar, but it didn't turn out bad, either.  And by the time it finally came out, it was too late for it to have sold decently on the GameCube anyway.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 24, 2007, 09:28:10 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Regardless of whether or not you liked Geist, it is something to respect that Nintendo is willing to continue it as a franchise considering how poorly the first did (Same with Battalion Wars II). Unlike most companies, I think Nintendo sees potential in games and is willing to give them a second chance.


Which wasn't really its fault because all GC games after 2004 or so either failed or just didn't do as well as they should have. But the Wii is like the opposite of the GC in terms of popularity, so this will be the true test.

Edit: PartyBear beat me to it.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 24, 2007, 09:30:22 AM
Ugh, I do NOT want Retro's talents wasted on "just a normal FPS"...Innovation and substance, please...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 24, 2007, 10:23:58 AM
Ian I would agree with you except, I don't think Nintendo needs to worry about having an exclusive "normal FPS."  FPSers have been on every system, and it doesn't matter if they are exclusive or not...just that they are good.

However, original ideas and concepts aren't on every system.  Geist was a really great original game.  Yet, it needed to be better thought out.  It was like the development team had some ideas, but couldn't wrap their brains around how to best execute the ideas into a full fledge game with story and great level design.  

I played most of Geist, the final levels were quite difficult, and I could beat them.  What I noticed from the game was almost brilliance.  What I mean is that the game had some many great ideas that worked but did not shine.  I guess I would say the execution of everything was at 70%.

If Nintendo gave the game a second chance, I think it could be really great.  Retell the the same story, but add more to it.  Get out of the research/base area faster and have more "real world" activity.  Have a really fleshed out multi-player game with online play.  I loved the idea of setting up traps and using inanimate objects against your enemies...I want more of this in the game.  

If you created a new Geist game which reached about 90% execution on all the potential that was in that game, you would have one of the best FPS/A games there is...and you would have a hell of a multiplayer game.

Then we could allow EA, Free Radical, Ubisoft and all the 3rd party developers handle normal FPS for the Wii.

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 24, 2007, 10:42:31 AM
"You, know, I agree with you Ian. But I don't think Nintendo themselves would make 'just another FPS' or 'just another racing game', which is part of the reason I like them."

It wouldn't be "just another FPS".  It would be the most amazing FPS you ever played.  It's like how SSB Brawl really isn't that different from the other SSB games but it looks like HAL is just going nuts trying to make the absolute best game it could possible be.  Nintendo's not just innovative but also really talented and sometimes it's nice for them to just make the ultimate game in a genre that CRUSHES all others.

And I'm not suggesting it not be innovative.  All sorts of cool ideas can be introduced into an FPS with it still feeling like an FPS.  Goldeneye proved that.  Half-Life proved that.  It doesn't have to be as different as Metroid Prime is, for example, to be innovative.  I'm more against Nintendo giving us real out-there games that sort of play like an FPS to act as the Wii's big FPS.  I guess I'd rather them take Doom to the next level than reinvent Doom.  It's like how Pikmin is an awesome game and I love it but it is so different from a conventional RTS that it doesn't fill any craving to play an RTS.  However Blizzard's RTS games do fill any RTS craving and yet they're not generic or stale.  They introduce enough new ideas to keep things interesting but don't play so differently that they're creating their own subgenre.

In short I don't want just wacky weirdo first person shooters on the Wii.  Considering the console is seemingly tailor made for a killer FPS it would be a waste for Nintendo to not make one.  Retro would never make a "normal FPS".  "Normal" suggests "unexceptional" and odds are any FPS Retro made would be most exceptional.

Make me a bike.  Do whatever you want with it to make it a better bike regardless of how unconvential your ideas may be but in the end make sure it's still a bike.  Don't go so nuts that I get a motorized tricycle back.

I want lots of weapons, I want a first person view, I want to be able to shoot the f*ck out of my friends either online or splitscreen and I want some sort of single player mode with some depth to it and some sort of story to provide an excuse for why I'm killing stuff.  Beyond that basic outline do whatever you want in between as long as you don't shoehorn an out-of-place Nintendo IP in it.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 24, 2007, 10:48:50 AM
But isn't that the job of third parties?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 24, 2007, 11:17:10 AM
I agree Nintendo can make a great FPS.  But like Kairon said:  It is the objective of all game developers to make the best game possible, and although Nintendo is better than most it isn't like 3rd parties can't create games equally as great as Nintendo can.

But I really don't get your Smash Brothers argument...in fact Smash Bros. fits my argument better.

Nintendo set out to create a new fighting game, but instead of just making a 2D or 3D fighter with Nintendo characters.  Or creating a new franchise like Rare did with Killer Instinct.  Nintendo decided to create a new fighting game experience.  It created an engine around King of the Hill and your damage level increasing instead of health decreasing.  It added 4 players at a time, and simplified the buttons and combos down to make it approachable in a 4 player game.  Then they added levels that played more like platforming games and items to attack enemies.

Basically Nintendo created the most original fighting game experience ever, by changing the formula.  

Nintendo did the same thing to FPS with Metroid Prime series, turning a FPS into a FPA and changing the focus of the game.  Nintendo do the same again with Pikmin creating an original and innovative Real Time Strategy game.  So I look at Geist as a chance for Nintendo to create another great original experience.  A game that can take FPS concept and imagination to a new level.  A game that can rewrite the rules and break all the cliches of the genre.  

I really don't want Nintendo just creating games that don't break the mold...even if it is the greatest game created in that design mold.  I want them to reinvent genres, and set new standards for what we understand games to be.  Then once they have done that, they can use that franchise to refine their original vision and perfect it.

I think Geist 2 would be a game capable of refining, and perfecting the series and Geist experience.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 24, 2007, 11:28:49 AM
I don't like the attitude that Nintendo should leave certain genres to third parties as if those genres were beneath them.  I'm sure Ubisoft will try, and I'd love to see Free Radical take a swing at it, but Retro is the only team we absolutely know could make the ultimate Wii FPS.  Of course, I hope they're given the choice to do whatever they want to do, and I have a feeling they'll want to stretch a bit creatively, so an FPS wouldn't appeal to them.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 24, 2007, 11:34:06 AM
It's not so much that Nintendo should leave genres behind, just that if Nintendo made games in every genre, wouldn't that leave nothing for third parties to do? If they don't want to make games on a Nintendo console now for fear of competing, just think of what'll happen then? I mean, you already seem so sure that you'd buy a Retro developed FPS compared to a Ubisoft or Free Radical effort, and if that's discouraging now, imagine how much more discouraging it'd be if it became reality!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2007, 11:38:15 AM
That's not because Nintendo controls Retro though, it's because Retro has a better track record in our minds.  If third parties would make games that warrant that sort of support from us (on Nintendo systems), then we would be celebrating those companies.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 24, 2007, 11:43:55 AM
So we're back to the catch-22 of us not buying third party games because they're not trying hard enough and third parties not wanting to even try because we're not buying their games?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2007, 11:50:22 AM
It's not really a catch 22, they're the producer, I'm the consumer.  They need to make something worth consuming (which many 3rd parties do, but less frequently on Nintendo systems).
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 24, 2007, 12:18:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
It's not so much that Nintendo should leave genres behind, just that if Nintendo made games in every genre, wouldn't that leave nothing for third parties to do? If they don't want to make games on a Nintendo console now for fear of competing, just think of what'll happen then?


Who ever said they couldn't make games in those same genres?  It's what they're already doing.  If nobody could make a game in the same genre as someone else, we'd have less than a hundred games, even being generous with genre-crossing.

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I mean, you already seem so sure that you'd buy a Retro developed FPS compared to a Ubisoft or Free Radical effort, and if that's discouraging now, imagine how much more discouraging it'd be if it became reality!


I never said I wouldn't buy the Ubisoft or Free Radical game.  I'm pretty sure I expressed some excitement over them, in fact.  You're the only one operating within your false dichotomy of first party vs. third party games.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on October 24, 2007, 12:30:51 PM
Timesplitters 4.

That's all I'll say.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 24, 2007, 02:10:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Maverick
It's not really a catch 22, they're the producer, I'm the consumer.  They need to make something worth consuming (which many 3rd parties do, but less frequently on Nintendo systems).


But what happens when producers follow consumer trends? They'll start making something worth consuming when we start putting out money that suggests that they can profit with budgets worth consuming.

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Originally posted by: PartyBear
I never said I wouldn't buy the Ubisoft or Free Radical game.  I'm pretty sure I expressed some excitement over them, in fact.  You're the only one operating within your false dichotomy of first party vs. third party games.


T_T But "false dichotomy" sounds so COOL! &<
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 24, 2007, 04:53:45 PM
Wow where do you get the notion that 3rd parties can't compete with 1st party or even 2nd party games.  It just all depends.  

I want the best variety of games possible for my Wii, and I want the best quality games for my Wii.  That means I want Nintendo working on their classic franchises, and them working on new IPs creating games in the genres they know the best...and taking chances on new ideas in ways that only Nintendo can.  

I want my third party companies to create the games they have the best skill and most capable of creating.  I want Free Radical to create a kick ass FPS with online controls and great humor (Time Splitters 4)  I want EA to keep on perfecting Sports simulations and working fun Wii controls into the design.  I want SquareEnix to create intriguing stories and great RPG elements in their Wii game offerings.  I want Capcom to do something right and do a truly next generation 2D Mega Man game in the classic Mega Man universe...or just port Resident Evil 5 over.  

My point is each developer has their own talents and style, and when they have the budget and time all can create great games on par with each other.  It is kinda the capitalist/trade nature of business.  

As for Geist, as I said I think it was a great idea that needs another chance to flourish and truly shine...just like BWii is given Battalion Wars a second chance at greatness.  

As for Retros future project, I want them to do whatever they want creating 3 great Metroid games they deserve the right to spread their wings and create something new and truly Retros.  

Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/18/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 24, 2007, 05:19:16 PM
I agree Spak-Spang, I'd love to see third-parties firing on all cylinders on the Wii... that's EXACTLY why I'm encouraging them when I can with game purchases NOW.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/24/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 29, 2007, 11:43:08 AM
So.... Portal for Wii rumor?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/24/2007)
Post by: ShyGuy on October 29, 2007, 12:13:36 PM
Would it be called Orange Slices Box?  

I'd rather Have Team Fortress 2 for the Wii.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/24/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2007, 04:36:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
So.... Portal for Wii rumor?

Its about time that an actual rumor popped up about this game cause it has been on the wish list of things that make sense ever since this game has been shown.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Adrock on October 29, 2007, 08:56:23 PM
Just because something makes sense, doesn't mean it'll happen........ or at the very least, happen right away. I'm looking in your direction, Okami for Wii.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 30, 2007, 01:23:49 AM
Haven't the Valve guys on multiple occasions stated that they have no intentions of developing for Wii because the box was not powerful enough for their games? I highly doubt that Valve would put the effort in to port Portal or Orange Box because of the perceived Wii demographic. Ditto on what Adrock said as well.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Strell on October 30, 2007, 05:35:44 AM
Gabe Newell <3 the Wii, and I actually thought I read recently that Valve said "we have no intentions for the Wii currently, but we see this as a major problem."  Of course, this doesn't really mean anything until we have an actual confirmation somewhere.

The only other thing I think worth noting is that Mario Galaxy is about to come out, and it's one of the first games that truly takes advantage of the system's power, and this makes me wonder if developers will stop being able to rely on "it's not as powerful" excuse as much.

The other side of this equation is that Nintendo is notorious for not releasing programming information outside of their first/second parties, so that their games always look the best (which is debatable).  This is important, because I want to find out that the following happens:
1) Galaxy convinces people there's power in the system that can churn out nice graphics
2) Nintendo informs developers on how to unleash it
3) Devs not only make better looking games, but developers-previously-unwilling-to-develop get on board
4) ??????
5) Profit
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 30, 2007, 06:25:45 AM
I think Nintendo's games look the best because they give a lot more attention and development time/resources to their games than third parties give to games on Nintendo platforms. The popularity of the Wii and relative ease and inexpensiveness of development on the platform will help get the third parties making better-looking games, but I still think Nintendo will have the best looking stuff.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 30, 2007, 09:42:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
So.... Portal for Wii rumor?


Disproven...for now...

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With that in mind we spoke to Valve spokesman Doug Lombardi, who admitted it's an interesting idea but said there are no plans on the drawing board just yet.

"It's an extremely interesting idea, but there's nothing in product - not yet, anyway," he told CVG. Notice how he didn't rule it our completely? And let's face it, it would work on Wii, just a case of getting the engine up and running. We'll be keeping an eye on this one...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Strell on October 30, 2007, 06:39:58 PM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
I think Nintendo's games look the best because they give a lot more attention and development time/resources to their games than third parties give to games on Nintendo platforms. The popularity of the Wii and relative ease and inexpensiveness of development on the platform will help get the third parties making better-looking games, but I still think Nintendo will have the best looking stuff.


You're missing the point.

It is well known that Nintendo has historically not provided third parties with information on how to get the very best graphical capability out of their systems.

The best example off the top of my head is the N64, which was capable of Beizure (sic) curves, but only internal terms had access to this knowledge and how to pull it off.

I'm not saying third parties can't look good.  I'm saying they are at a disadvantage in comparison to Nintendo's own efforts.

Ultimately, this ties into the whole "third parties complain about poor sales against Nintendo's own franchises" dilemma, but that's an entirely different discussion.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 30, 2007, 09:17:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Strell
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Originally posted by: insanolord
I think Nintendo's games look the best because they give a lot more attention and development time/resources to their games than third parties give to games on Nintendo platforms. The popularity of the Wii and relative ease and inexpensiveness of development on the platform will help get the third parties making better-looking games, but I still think Nintendo will have the best looking stuff.


You're missing the point.

It is well known that Nintendo has historically not provided third parties with information on how to get the very best graphical capability out of their systems.

The best example off the top of my head is the N64, which was capable of Beizure (sic) curves, but only internal terms had access to this knowledge and how to pull it off.

I'm not saying third parties can't look good.  I'm saying they are at a disadvantage in comparison to Nintendo's own efforts.

Ultimately, this ties into the whole "third parties complain about poor sales against Nintendo's own franchises" dilemma, but that's an entirely different discussion.


Hasn't this situation been rectified a lot under Iwata?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2007, 09:29:34 PM
I thought Nintendo had made it a point to point out that they were actually sending their own "coding ninjas" to 3rd parties to help them actually take advantage of the Wii hardware so that the level of pathetic that was considered "effort" from most 3rd parties on the GC won't be repeated, for much longer.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 30, 2007, 10:58:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
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Originally posted by: Strell
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Originally posted by: insanolord
I think Nintendo's games look the best because they give a lot more attention and development time/resources to their games than third parties give to games on Nintendo platforms. The popularity of the Wii and relative ease and inexpensiveness of development on the platform will help get the third parties making better-looking games, but I still think Nintendo will have the best looking stuff.


You're missing the point.

It is well known that Nintendo has historically not provided third parties with information on how to get the very best graphical capability out of their systems.

The best example off the top of my head is the N64, which was capable of Beizure (sic) curves, but only internal terms had access to this knowledge and how to pull it off.

I'm not saying third parties can't look good.  I'm saying they are at a disadvantage in comparison to Nintendo's own efforts.

Ultimately, this ties into the whole "third parties complain about poor sales against Nintendo's own franchises" dilemma, but that's an entirely different discussion.


Hasn't this situation been rectified a lot under Iwata?


Hardware and waggle are 2 different things.  Nintendo might send 1 kind of ninja and forget about the other.

The situation hasn't been rectified since Nintendo's software looks ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL, while Zack & Wiki has to compete with Carnival Games.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 30, 2007, 11:01:25 PM
It's friggin GAMECUBE hardware. Third parties can't figure out how to use 5-year old architecture?!?!?!?!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2007, 01:17:55 AM
They're having trouble getting through the duct tape so they can combine the power of the two GameCubes.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: WindyMan on October 31, 2007, 12:47:35 PM
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Portal on Wii


1. Portal, as it is by itself, is not going to show up anywhere unless it's packaged with other Source engine games.  What a lot of people may not realize is that Portal is nothing more than a Half-Life 2 mod.  Where Portal goes, therefore, Half-Life 2 must follow.  I would much rather hear about an expansion and/or downloadable content to expand the current Portal on PC and 360 before anything else, honestly.

2. Since the Wii is (or will soon be) in the dominating position, any game that does well on any platform, the PC especially, will start needing to address rumors of that game moving to the Wii.  There's so much money and exposure in the prospect that it just needs to be asked.  Portal may be one of these games where it makes sense on paper to do it, so the rumor gets started.  When they asked Valve about it, of course it's going to say the option is there.  Even if it may not be technically possible with the current game, there's nothing stopping a special Wii version in the future.  But right now, it's got other things to worry about than making more console games.

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Originally posted by: Kairon
It's friggin GAMECUBE hardware. Third parties can't figure out how to use 5-year old architecture?!?!?!?!


No, because third parties didn't learn how to use GameCube hardware in the first place.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on October 31, 2007, 12:58:49 PM
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Originally posted by: WindyMan
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Originally posted by: Kairon
It's friggin GAMECUBE hardware. Third parties can't figure out how to use 5-year old architecture?!?!?!?!


No, because third parties didn't learn how to use GameCube hardware in the first place.


AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: darknight06 on October 31, 2007, 06:52:29 PM
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No, because third parties didn't learn how to use GameCube hardware in the first place.


Exactly, remember the old "Max Payne can't run on Gamecube because it only has 24MB of RAM excuse?"  This statement was made DESPITE the fact that Max Payne was at one time going to be made for the Dreamcast and it's 16MB OF RAM and overall lesser tech!  Eidos never figured out the system either, all their ports ended up worse than the PS2 releases, typically released 6 months to a year afterwards.  Hell, they STILL haven't figured it out, look at Tomb Raider Anniversary  Looks no better than PS2 and I'm willing to bet they'll find a way to make it run worse despite the hardware running circles around it.  The only part of EA in the know is the Canada division, we all know the rest of them are in limbo (Need For Speed Carbon's framerates, MOH Vanguard sucking)  Even then, they're obviously being spread too thin for one group for the only game they got coming soon that looks to have any sort of promise is MOH2.  Spiderman 3 looks better on PS2 than on Wii (Wii ended up with point sampled textures with no filtering in parts).  Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO on the GC looked worse than both the DC and PS2 editons of the game.  Sprites were WAY off in color, where the grays were shades of green and the whites had a slight red hue to them, graphical effects straight from PS2 instead of the superior DC version, and even MORE slowdown than in the DC original.  You see the numbers and hardware specs, yet (and this goes double for the Wii) 2 plus 2 ain't equaling 4.

Now last gen I recall Harmonix being one of the only developers on the GC that actually figured out that the system had more RAM other than the main 24 and that it ALSO could be used in game to bring the total RAM count to 40MB.  They claimed the only reason that the other Karaoke Revolutions didn't make it to the GC was because of this issue.  Granted, you did have the disc space concern, but even then you had compression techniques that were around long enough for at least the second game to have been ported.  Barring disc space, there's NO WAY in the world that they couldn't have known about the total RAM and how it could be used for that long though.  People all over the internet knew this info and I'm quite sure the tech documents for the GC had this information.  The kicker is that they figured this out on their FIRST and ONLY GC game (which came out great BTW) while other developers either knew but didn't care for various reasons or threw their second or third string teams on their late ports which botched them up royally. (Ubisoft did this with ALL of the Splinter Cells on anything other than X-Box and PC, they did the same with the Wii game.) This actually brings me to another point...

... what I've realized is that if a company wants something to happen and happen extremely well on a certain platform, you better believe they're gonna find a way to make it work irregardless of the so-called "technical hurdles" in front of them.  Max Payne and Unreal Tournament on DC is one example.  Tales of Symphonia and Viewtiful Joe on PS2 is another.  Games like RE4 and Splinter Cell (in 3D) on cellphones is a third.  Some publications have actually wondered how the Wii will handle Monster Hunter's graphics considering that according to them the PS2 games were graphically intensive, which IMO has got to be some serious joke.  There's no way Capcom is gonna be stupid enough to do only PS2 level visuals on the system especially when you consider that it will be exclusive to the platform. (and if somehow they screw it up, then they're way dumber than a box of rocks)  

Two more games I can add to that previous list is Call of Duty 4 and Assasins Creed for the DS.  Why DS and not Wii, and don't even try giving me the tech or userbase excuse.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Adrock on October 31, 2007, 08:35:22 PM
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... what I've realized is that if a company wants something to happen and happen extremely well on a certain platform, you better believe they're gonna find a way to make it work irregardless of the so-called "technical hurdles" in front of them.

Very true...

3rd parties flat-out chose not to support Nintendo hardware. Technical limitations are excuses and poor ones at that. Take a game like FFXII on PS2.... imagine what that team could do with Wii.

Also, don't insult the box of rocks.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 07, 2007, 04:54:21 PM
Not sure how legit this rumor is, but thats what makes a rumor a rumor now isn't it...?

in summarry Ancel is making BG&E2 [Beyond Good & Evil 2...for Wii(?)]
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"at first, RRR was going to be your usual rayman platform game, but with wii controls. or atleast that's what ancel wanted to make. but it became clear early on that this wasnt going to be possible.  
so, so other designer stepped up and came up up with the mini/party game idea using the rabbids character that ancel had came up with himself. higher-ups were pleased and the project was given a greenlight. ancel was FURIOUS. he threatened to leave ubisoft if he didnt get what he wanted. afraid to lose their ONE big famous designer (altho i guess clint kind of fits that mold now), ubisoft caved in and pretty much gave ancel a carte blanche to do whatever he wished next. so he made beyond good and evil too. and thats why ancel isnt credited as a designer on RR but rather just as a character designer."

source
follow the link in the link for more details  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 07, 2007, 05:15:35 PM
WII 3RD PARTY SUPPORT IS NOTHING BUT AN ILLUSION
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: ShyGuy on November 07, 2007, 05:27:07 PM
Rumor has it Super Mario Galaxy is canceled.


How legit is this Surfer Girl anyhow? And has FalafelKid said anything lately?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on November 07, 2007, 06:18:18 PM
No big scoops from Falafelkid recently, as he's just switched jobs and is moving. Well, actually, he claimed that Spore had an internal EA release date of may 2008, though I bet that could easily change as conditions change as well.

I'll be sure to ask him his opinion on Surfer Girl sometime... though I personally am highly skeptical of all the reports coming from that source.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 07, 2007, 08:34:04 PM
Well supposedly alot of the things coming from Surfer girl have come true, but alot of them were also pretty predictable.

here is alot more from Sufer Girl, all the things that most likely relate to Nintendo in some way or another
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2) IO-Interactive's next Hitman game, tentatively slated for release next summer, is coming to the Wii.
4) Even though the forthcoming Prince of Persia 4 will probably not be coming to the Wii, the system will receive an "alternate title" in the Prince of Persia franchise,
8) Neither of n-Space's two Wii titles stars a ghost. However, they are even more ambitious than that ghost game and far better. One features a temple level that looks like it was swiped out of Red Steel and the other more ambitious title features an alien reptilian creature who bares quite a resemblance to Ganondorf. I'd be surprised if either sees release before March 2009.
10) After great success Athens 2004, Eurocom is developing sequel 2008 Beijing Olympics for Sega.
11) That non-Metroid game Retro Studios is working on is a new IP that is not an FPS.
12) Zoonami has a few titles that will be available through WiiWare next year.
13) Q Entertainment is working on WiiWare title or two for release for next year.
14) Space Michael won't be in Space Channel 5 Part 3.
15) ChuChu Rocket! comeback for DS and/or Wii.
16) EA's next-gen snowboarding title that may or may not have SSX in the title is coming next fall, at the same time frame as "the best snowboarding game ever" (or so I'm told numerous times) Shaun White Snowboarding (which is also shredding next-gen systems).
17) Red Steel 2 not before May, with multiplayer and co-op.
18) LEGO Indiana Jones is coming out after or at the same time as Indiana Jones (working title).
19) Yet another Super Monkey Ball game is in the works.
20) Fight Night 2008 is coming to the Wii.
21) Fuse Games + that pink round guy that floats = their next DS title.
22) Super Punch-Out! is coming to Virtual Console next year.
23) Monster Games is developing another game for Nintendo, that is not an Excite Truck sequel.
24) Wii Motor Sports Airplane is a WiiWare title.
25) Mario Superstar Baseball Wii is sliding to home base in the summer.
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1) Nintendo's new handheld will see release in late 2009.
Although someone emailed me today saying "dudes i gotta a hot scoops on the new nintendo handheld system, it comes out 10/10/2010 and does not have a screen and is codenamed revolution." I'm glad I can get such hot scoops.
2) Something from J.J. Abrams that is not Lost is getting the game treatment.
I'm crossing my fingers for the Felicity MMORPG.
3) Ubisoft Montpelier is working on Beyond Good & Evil 2, Frédérick Raynal's new game (creepy), and an MMO. One of those will see release next year and the other two in 2009.
4) That Red Steel 2 features online play.
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1) EA is not working on a console nor is there any plans for such a thing to happen, EA is purely a software company.
2) Lost: The Game is as good, original, and inspired as the Alias game. Super interactive success for Jeffrey Abrams yet again.
3) Rumored new Zelda title for Wii? It's happening. Multiple titles. But the new big, epic Zelda for Wii is probably about two years away.
4) Nintendo is working on 30+ WiiWare titles, including some based off franchises such as Zelda (two games) and Mario.
7) I heard something back in March or April about a Shenmue title for Wii, but I have not heard anything since about it and doubt that there is any truth to that. Despite announcements to the contrary, I've heard from quite a few people that Shenmue III has never actually entered production. To my knowledge, Shenmue Online is the only Shenmue title currently in development.

2) WiiWare titles based on DK [and] Metroid are in the works.
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3) Three Wario games are in development.
4) Itadaki Street DS will see a release in the states sometime next year.


Now we can see how much of that actually come true.
All of these have been posted by Surfer Girl since Nov. 1st.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 07, 2007, 08:57:18 PM
I don't want to quote that because it's way too big, but a lot of interesting pieces there, although a few are completely obvious (Red Steel 2 will have online play? Who could have predicted that?). And I'd say the heavy favorite for J.J. Abrams' non-Lost property game is something based on Star Trek XI.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Ceric on November 08, 2007, 05:47:04 AM
The best looking game I've seen for the Wii is Dewy.  Especially the end of the Volcano area where you fight the clone of Mothra bad guy.  Better then most everything I've played on my PS3.

Though I have to say that somewhere else there was the actual money that Nintendo made from a third party sell compared to there own and it was vastly less.  Personally if I was Nintendo I have a program where people could buy my tools or developers time.

(In response to earlier discussion on the last page.)
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: The Omen on November 09, 2007, 09:58:16 AM
Well, my buddy was right, Bionic Commando was coming, but he got the console wrong.  But he insists Timesplitters 4 is going to the Wii.  He says it's a fact.  And as far as he knows, it's exclusive.  I hope to hell he gets more than just the game right with this one.

He also let slip that an old EA property from the 90's is being resurrected for the Wii, but he can't tell me the name yet.  He did tell me it's not a sports game, so take that for what it's worth.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 09, 2007, 10:23:05 AM
It's about time Shaq Fu came back!

Ahem.  After a quick look at a list of EA games, it looks like the best things to bring back from the 90s would be Dungeon Keeper, Desert Strike, and, if we include later acquisitions, Wing Commander.  
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on November 09, 2007, 10:31:44 AM
"Nintendo is working on 30+ WiiWare titles, including some based off franchises such as Zelda (two games) and Mario."

Nintendo is going to use WiiWare to milk their franchise?  Wow, what a scoop!

Who isn't assuming this will happen?  The spinoff train has already left for Zelda and Metroid so nothing's safe anymore.  Nintendo will spinoff every IP they own if think it will make money.

"Even though the forthcoming Prince of Persia 4 will probably not be coming to the Wii, the system will receive an 'alternate title' in the Prince of Persia franchise,"

Another easy guess.  This is just the norm for the Wii.

"That non-Metroid game Retro Studios is working on is a new IP that is not an FPS."

I want to see them make an FPS but I'm still excited to hear rumours at least that it's a new IP.  I want to see what Retro is truly capable of and Nintendo feeding them another IP would prevent that.  Can they make a great game from scratch with no existing template to work off of?  I think they can and I'm excited to see the results.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Maverick on November 09, 2007, 10:35:59 AM
Over at my website that nobody visits, we discussed what console you would like to see a new Wing Commander game on.  I voted for the Wii 'cause I was imagining the different ways the two controllers could act like a flight stick and/or thruster control.  Don't really know how that would work in real life, though.  Or how practical it would be to hold the Wii remote upwards all the time, or hold the Nunchuck in position.

Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 09, 2007, 11:25:13 AM
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Originally posted by: The Omen
Well, my buddy was right, Bionic Commando was coming, but he got the console wrong.  But he insists Timesplitters 4 is going to the Wii.  He says it's a fact.  And as far as he knows, it's exclusive.  I hope to hell he gets more than just the game right with this one.

He also let slip that an old EA property from the 90's is being resurrected for the Wii, but he can't tell me the name yet.  He did tell me it's not a sports game, so take that for what it's worth.


I don't care if it's exclusive, though it would be nice, but TimeSplitters 4 coming to the Wii would be a dream come true. Really, it makes sense to make it a Wii exclusive; as other developers have noted the PS3 is hard and expensive to develop for and it seems like every third game on the 360 is a first person shooter. If they made it for the Wii they'd have virtually no competition (Medal of Honor Heroes 2 looks good, but not anywhere near TimeSplitters good) and the control scheme that nearly everyone who's tried says is great for the genre.


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Originally posted by: Maverick
Over at my website that nobody visits, we discussed what console you would like to see a new Wing Commander game on.  I voted for the Wii 'cause I was imagining the different ways the two controllers could act like a flight stick and/or thruster control.  Don't really know how that would work in real life, though.  Or how practical it would be to hold the Wii remote upwards all the time, or hold the Nunchuck in position.


The game Heatseeker allowed you in one control scheme to use the nunchuk as a flight stick and it worked really well. The game was pretty average but those controls made it fun
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Maverick on November 09, 2007, 11:33:54 AM
The NUNCHUCK as a flight stick?  That wouldn't seem natural to me, I would want to use the Wii-mote, as I don't think I'd do very well with my left hand.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on November 09, 2007, 11:36:00 AM
"If they made it for the Wii they'd have virtually no competition"

This comes up all the time on this forum and to me it sounds like a brilliant business strategy.  Tecmo even proved it on the Xbox.  As one of the lone Japanese devs creating exclusives for a largely American focused console they stood out.  DOA was regarded as a major fighting game franchise while on the Saturn, Dreamcast or PS2 it was overshadowed by competition from Sega and Namco.

And yet we so rarely see this in action.  Fighting games, RPGs, first person shooters all tend to cluster on one console.  I guess the publishers think that if the genre is popular on a certain console then that's where the market is.  But that only pays off if your game is very exceptional.  Typically only a few titles become the really big hits on the "saturated" console and the rare time that genre appears on a "starving" console it stands out and gets extra attention even if it's kind of mediocre.  Hell look at something like Quest 64 which I still encounter some people praise merely because it was the first RPG on the N64.

So there's a good reason to make Timesplitters 4 for the Wii but sadly history doesn't match that logic.  The Xbox 360 will probably get it and no one will care.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 09, 2007, 11:48:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Maverick
The NUNCHUCK as a flight stick?  That wouldn't seem natural to me, I would want to use the Wii-mote, as I don't think I'd do very well with my left hand.


That's why you hold the nunchuk in your right hand when it's used that way. I haven't seen any games that do this, but with the Wii controller the way it is a game could easily instruct the player to put the nunchuk in their dominant hand. The remote's shape doesn't lend itself to being used as a flight stick, but the nunchuk does. And since you're just using the tilt functionality the nunchuk's usual inferiority to the remote goes away.

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"If they made it for the Wii they'd have virtually no competition"

This comes up all the time on this forum and to me it sounds like a brilliant business strategy.  Tecmo even proved it on the Xbox.  As one of the lone Japanese devs creating exclusives for a largely American focused console they stood out.  DOA was regarded as a major fighting game franchise while on the Saturn, Dreamcast or PS2 it was overshadowed by competition from Sega and Namco.

And yet we so rarely see this in action.  Fighting games, RPGs, first person shooters all tend to cluster on one console.  I guess the publishers think that if the genre is popular on a certain console then that's where the market is.  But that only pays off if your game is very exceptional.  Typically only a few titles become the really big hits on the "saturated" console and the rare time that genre appears on a "starving" console it stands out and gets extra attention even if it's kind of mediocre.  Hell look at something like Quest 64 which I still encounter some people praise merely because it was the first RPG on the N64.

So there's a good reason to make Timesplitters 4 for the Wii but sadly history doesn't match that logic.  The Xbox 360 will probably get it and no one will care.


Well Free Radical had a poll on their site (a couple months ago, I think) asking fans which console the game should be on, and the Wii won by a wide margin. RE4 selling more than a million should convince them that the audience is there. And if I'm not mistaken, the reason they moved from their previous publisher to EA was because they insisted on making a version of TimeSplitters 3 (Future Perfect) for the Cube and their old one didn't want them to do that, so they seem to have some love for Nintendo. I wouldn't get my hopes up too much, but I think this one has a real possibility of happening.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on November 09, 2007, 11:50:56 AM
::prays::
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 09, 2007, 02:33:26 PM
1up has a rumor that THQ will be re-releasing WWF(WWE) No Mercy via WiiWare, with updated rosters. If this is true, then that's incredible. That will please just about every wrestling game fan in existence.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 10, 2007, 03:51:09 PM
even more from Surfer Girl...

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2) An Animal Crossing MMO would not see release outside of Japan, NoA and NoE are obstinate in only wanting limited online functionality in the title.
3) F-Zero is coming to Wii and possibly, but probably not, being developed by Monster Games (according to someone with a rather legimate email address).
4) A new Skies of Arcadia for the Wii seems to be a yes.
5) No Wave Race, Luigi's Mansion's 2, Excitebike (it's called Nitrobike) or 1080 for Wii. Punch-Out for Wii, if it has gone beyond the prototype that was made last year, is a remake of the original NES title.
6) KHIII, if it is coming out. is definitely coming to the Wii, they need the game's demographics (which lean a bit younger than your average SquareEnix fanboy) to purchase the title.
10) No Wario World sequel.
12) Nintendo is most likely co-publishing Itadaki Street DS here stateside and the game is almost certainly to get a new name (and I have been told it was Nintendo's idea to release the game outside of Japan). If the game does well, Itadaki Street PSP may be released stateside. It's a Wonderful World is coming stateside next year as well.
14) Capcom character could happen in SSBB (I'd say Mega Man, who has his own Wii-exclusive coming next year), but a Square character seems highly unlikely.
15) Ghostbusters game is coming 2009, likely not being developed by ZootFly, and is coming to PS360 and possibly Wii.
18) BG&E2 is coming is PS360Wii.
19) Activision has a title that supports the Wii Zapper coming in the near future.
20) Factor 5 would like to develop for Wii, but there are not any concrete plans for a title.
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Now I speak in riddles. Solutions come Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday.

I) Chinese mythology plus steampunk equals sequel from Albertan cubicles.
II) Man, this quest seems to be everlasting, now we are on this third station of play.
III) Deity straight from Timonium loves we.
IV) The one who drives at night, the one who drops explosives in deep valleys in between cliffs, and the defensive structure made from quartz are alive again for this new mode of transport.
V) Before a year hence, sowing knees shall to respond what we wear and the exes and ayes.

Now to decipher some riddles... I think.

I is most likely not Nintendo related
II is Everquest 3 for PS3
III is some "God" game for Wii
IV = ?
V is something about Sony responding to Wii Ware and Xbox Live?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 10, 2007, 04:08:54 PM
I these surfergirl rumors are suspicious. First of all, a Square character in Brawl highly unlikely?? Sakurai has at least thought of three (Geno, Mallow and Sora) and Square is NOT the type of company to let go of an opportunity like that. Second, the KH Wii rumors have been going around ever since the console was fully unveiled back in May 2006. Third, Animal Crossing Japan online? Bitch please..

I'm sorry but I think this girl/guy is just making up random rumors to see if she/he can spark debates.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 10, 2007, 04:13:42 PM
The reason why they even get payed attention to ias that some of them have come true, and some of those were explained in detail then later confirmed.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2007, 04:20:37 PM
"2) An Animal Crossing MMO would not see release outside of Japan, NoA and NoE are obstinate in only wanting limited online functionality in the title."

Haha, whatever...Animal Crossing is made of money, and there's no way NCL would let NOA/NOE deny the game...
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 10, 2007, 04:35:23 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
The reason why they even get payed attention to ias that some of them have come true, and some of those were explained in detail then later confirmed.


Some of them makes sense and have been speculated long before she/he posted them, like the KH one. Also, Nintendo is the type of company that hardly keeps a game Japan only so its expected that they will release anything that has their name and characters on it. Same thing with Square.

And some of the rumors seem a little too extreme, like they were made so they could spark highly heated debates online. Like Bill said, AC is a very popular franchise and Nintendo would NEVER keep it Japan only. And I'm also sure Square would love to have one of their characters in one of the most popular fighting games ever. Hell, they LOVE to milk the hell out of their franchise so why would they pass up another milking opportunity? The only real reason I can come up with as to why would Square drop out of the brawl is because they don't want one of their characters brawling with the likes of Link, Snake, Sonic and any other possible third party character.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Bartman3010 on November 11, 2007, 03:09:57 AM
I'm not sure if this has been brought up but apparently YesAsia brought up a listing of another anime-based game for the Wii from Bandai-Namco, based on Sailor Moon. Due by the end of the year.

http://us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/code-j/section-games/pid-1004513672/

For some reason, I want it to be true.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on November 15, 2007, 06:49:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Bartman3010
I'm not sure if this has been brought up but apparently YesAsia brought up a listing of another anime-based game for the Wii from Bandai-Namco, based on Sailor Moon. Due by the end of the year.

http://us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/code-j/section-games/pid-1004513672/

For some reason, I want it to be true.


Oh wow. For some reason... I do too.... lol.

Oh, and what about GameFly having a listing for a House of the Dead 2 & 3 Wii Compilation?
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 15, 2007, 06:59:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Oh, and what about GameFly having a listing for a House of the Dead 2 & 3 Wii Compilation?


Oh hell yes, please let that be true. As for the AC thing, there is no way that won't come out in America after the success of both the Cube and DS ACs.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on November 16, 2007, 08:47:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Oh, and what about GameFly having a listing for a House of the Dead 2 & 3 Wii Compilation?


Oh hell yes, please let that be true.


Well, that rumor had a short lifespan.

confirmed?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on November 16, 2007, 10:23:46 AM
Wow . . . HoTD3 looks god awful graphics wise from those screens, wtf?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on November 16, 2007, 10:38:54 AM
DC port?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 16, 2007, 10:56:29 AM
HotD3 never came to the DC, the only console it appeared on was the Xbox.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on November 16, 2007, 10:57:38 AM
Did it appear in arcades? Arcade hardware was uber-close to DC for awhile there... what was it called again? The Naoki board or something?
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 16, 2007, 11:04:47 AM
Naomi. I'm sure it appeared in arcades, but I think by that point Sega had a more advanced version of the Naomi hardware.
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on November 16, 2007, 11:45:02 AM
So why aren't they including the first House of the Dead?  Just seems arbitrary to exclude it.

Unless they want to sell that as a Saturn game on the VC.  Now watch that rumour spread with this "proof" following it.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Kairon on November 16, 2007, 11:48:26 AM
OMG! Saturn Support on VC! Please let this be TRUE!
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Mashiro on November 16, 2007, 12:52:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
OMG! Saturn Support on VC! Please let this be TRUE!


I see what you did there.
Title: RE:The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 16, 2007, 04:49:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
I see what you did there.


Yes, he confirmed Saturn support for the VC!!
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 21, 2007, 05:34:06 AM
RPG Magazine rumours...

- Square-Enix is considering bringing back Super Mario RPG by making a sequel on the DS. The sequel would include more characters from the Final Fantasy universe.
- Ogre Battle may be heading back to the Wii, and Yasumi Matsuno would be involved
- Camelot is bringing back the Golden Sun series by making a Wii installment. Fighting would be mostly focused on the Nunchuk.


All these recent Camelot rumours in the past half year are pissing me off... ;_;
Title: RE: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread (updated 10/29/2007)
Post by: Ian Sane on November 21, 2007, 06:04:24 AM
"Square-Enix is considering bringing back Super Mario RPG by making a sequel on the DS. The sequel would include more characters from the Final Fantasy universe."

You know it's been so long since the first game and Square Enix is so different now and Mario is so different now and I don't want this limited to a portable and so many sequels that have come out years after the first game haven't lived up to the original and yet... I still want to see this.  I guess I just like Super Mario RPG so much that I'll risk being let down by a sequel on the off chance that it delivers.
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Post by: Stogi on November 21, 2007, 08:28:20 AM
so many sequels that have come out years after the first game haven't lived up to the original

Contra 4 says hello.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 21, 2007, 09:27:20 AM
"Contra 4 says hello."

That's why I said "so many" instead of "most".
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 22, 2007, 01:57:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
RPG Magazine rumours...

- Ogre Battle may be heading back to the Wii, and Yasumi Matsuno would be involved


Ogre Battle, not Tactics Ogre plz.
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Post by: Kenology on November 22, 2007, 02:25:44 AM
Yes!  Another Ogre Battle rumor!  Hopefully this means that it truly is in the works...  Here's what I said a few pages back:

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Dunno if someone posted this one yet, but according to EGM's Quatermann:

Final Fantasy Tactics director Yasumi Matsuno (who also conceived and directed Tactics Ogre [SNES] and Vagrant Story [PS1], etc...) is wrangling together some of his old pals who worked on past SRPG titlles like Ogre Battle (SNES) to piece together an exclusive Wii game very similar to Final Fantasy Tactics.


Please let this be a sequel to Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together!  And I'd rather be in the vien of Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen and Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Calibur as opposed to Tactics Ogre and FFT - but I'll take what I can get.  Damn I hope this is true...


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Post by: Bill Aurion on December 10, 2007, 04:11:39 PM
Guess what was brought up in IGN's latest Wii-k in Review?  They say that "Golden Sun Wii is all but confirmed"...

IGNNNNNNNNN!
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Post by: Stogi on December 10, 2007, 04:52:43 PM
WHOOT!

I expected this game at launch, and then some online PC golf game shattered my hopes and dreams.

GS is really the only JRPG series I love (Tales is aight); and this game is a perfect fit for the Wii. All those telekinesis powers could easily be gesture paced, making for some interesting multiple power possibilities. So please.....please be true!
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Post by: Mario on December 11, 2007, 10:38:07 AM
You expected Golden Sun Wii at launch? Really? With Camelots track record? If it's confirmed now we should be playing it in 2009. Sweet. I'll believe it when I see it though.
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Post by: Stogi on December 12, 2007, 08:21:22 AM
Yes, I did...........very much so. So much so, in fact, that I didn't buy a Wii because it wasn't at launch.

As for Camelots track record, I'm not sure what you mean. When I got into GS, these games were already out and at discounted prices.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 21, 2008, 06:32:02 PM
So apparently there is a rumor going around that Retro studios is being dissolved and/or that all their top people quit. Anyone have info?
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 22, 2008, 02:56:40 PM
Retro dissolving would absolutely suck because we never got to see them make anything but Metroid Prime.  They have such obvious talent.  Who doesn't want to see what else they're capable of?

Where is the rumour coming from?  Any links?
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Post by: Kairon on April 22, 2008, 03:13:12 PM
Retro being dissolved makes... so little sense in my head... right now..
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 22, 2008, 03:42:35 PM
SurferGirl is the source of the rumor http://softrockhallelujah.blogspot.com/

Casamassina and Bozon mentioned it on last night's IGN Nintendo podcast and didn't think it was plausible.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 22, 2008, 04:07:28 PM
BUT THEY'RE MAKING THE NEW ZELDA
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 22, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
I don't think even Ian thinks Nintendo is stupid enough to break up Retro, and why would their top people stay with the company while they were forced to keep making Metroid games and then leave when they're (presumably) given more creative freedom.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on April 22, 2008, 04:13:22 PM
I've heard Surfer Girl thrown out there for a bunch of rumors, but I have no idea what her credibility is. How often is she correct, is there any possibility she could be credible on such a huge accusation?

If true, this BLOWS.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 22, 2008, 04:20:16 PM
I'd think it's only plausible if Nintendo had the people in question under contract until MP3 was done, and now they're taking the opportunity to leave, or if Nintendo isn't giving them the creative freedom they've earned after all.  The pessimist in me doesn't find the latter possibility as easy to dismiss as I'd like, but I think this rumor's most likely bunk.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 22, 2008, 07:30:17 PM
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I don't think even Ian thinks Nintendo is stupid enough to break up Retro, and why would their top people stay with the company while they were forced to keep making Metroid games and then leave when they're (presumably) given more creative freedom.

Perhaps Nintendo isn't giving them that creative freedom and enough key members are leaving as a result.  Thus with enough people leaving Nintendo feels it's better to split Retro up instead of replacing people.  That's the only logical explanation I can think of.

I can however think of many illogical reasons and with Nintendo that can frequently be closer to their line of thinking. ;)
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Post by: Nick DiMola on April 23, 2008, 07:31:37 PM
Looks like there is some truth to this.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52373
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 23, 2008, 08:00:42 PM
This makes me angry, But we don't know the whole story.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 23, 2008, 08:13:41 PM
Looks like there is some truth to this.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52373


Well the article also says that they've learned Retro is in no danger of closing either.

It's sad to see key members of the studio left though.  Of course I remember reading about some key members leaving after Prime 1 was done, but Prime 2 and 3 still ended up great games.  So if Retro still has enough good talent left then this loss shouldn't effect things too much.

Well I hope not since some gaming studio's have gone to complete sh!t in the past when certion members leave.  Kind of shows you who the real talent at the studio's was then.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 23, 2008, 10:10:15 PM
According to Wikipedia about 60 people work for Retro, so if it's just those three, even if they are very important people the loss of them shouldn't suddenly make Retro horrible. Hopefully.
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Post by: Adrock on April 24, 2008, 01:07:01 AM
Not to belittle their contribution to Retro, but they'll be replaced. People, even key staff members, leave companies ALL THE TIME. It happens. Everyone moves on.

Also, I don't know why anyone was worried about Retro possibly closing. I love how small news stories blow up when there's nothing else to report.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 24, 2008, 02:04:19 AM
Why did they leave? Could it have something to do with them being forced to do absolutely nothing but churn out Metroid Prime games one after another? I can see how someone might get sick of that.

Come on Nintendo, let Retro do something else for a change!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2008, 02:18:51 AM
Why did they leave? Could it have something to do with them being forced to do absolutely nothing but churn out Metroid Prime games one after another? I can see how someone might get sick of that.

Come on Nintendo, let Retro do something else for a change!

We don't know what they're doing next, but we do know that it's not another Metroid game, they are definitely doing something else.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 24, 2008, 02:31:52 AM
I hope they aren't making Zelda. or another Metroid. For their sake as much as anyones'.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 24, 2008, 10:10:23 AM
I hope they aren't making Zelda. or another Metroid. For their sake as much as anyones'.

Well after Prime 3, Retro said the next game they make wont be another Metroid game.  Plus there's no reason for them to make a Zelda game, when Aonuma has a very large team at EAD who's purpose is to work on Zelda games.  So I think it's safe to say, the next Retro game won't be a Metroid or Zelda. 

Of course there might be something to that Kid Icarus revival that Matt Casamassina has been talking about forever now.  Since Retro did such a good job with Metroid, I wouldn't rule out Nintendo wanting them to update another classic series like that.
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Post by: Adrock on April 24, 2008, 04:56:56 PM
Retro working on Kid Icarus doesn't make much sense either. I thought they wanted to work on something different. If they get Kid Icarus, Nintendo has basically just relegated them to the status of revival house. Might as well give them Star Tropics and Radar Scope while they're at it......

Nintendo shouldn't "waste" Retro on older franchises. I want a sequel to Kid Icarus, but I also want an original title from Retro. Conundrum! Nintendo could always nurture a new team like they did with Retro and give them Kid Icarus. At least we can rest easier knowing that Nintendo won't let thier old franchises crash and burn under a new developer since there's precedence for them not doing that.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 24, 2008, 05:08:06 PM
Plus there's no reason for them to make a Zelda game, when Aonuma has a very large team at EAD who's purpose is to work on Zelda games.  So I think it's safe to say, the next Retro game won't be a Metroid or Zelda.

Normally I'd agree, but with that recent Miyamoto interview where he talked about wanting to get the Japanese to start liking FPSers, plus the rumour of Retro developing a Zelda spinoff, and that Retro has an amazing FPS Wii control scheme, it's very easy to put two and two and two together and come up with the possibility that Retro is working on a first-person Zelda game...

Yeah it's crazy, but it also could tie in with any possible creative direction issues going on between Nintendo and Retro...
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 24, 2008, 05:37:31 PM
Where is that interview?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 24, 2008, 05:42:21 PM
Right at the bottom... (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167443)

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"The first-person shooter market in Japan -- for whatever reason, people just don't like them," he notes. "My hope is that we can convince Japanese gamers who until now haven't played first-person shooters to play those games in a way that they can enjoy them. We're preparing to release the Wii Zapper in Japan. Our hope is that by releasing it with Link's Crossbow Training, the Zapper can give gamers an easier way to appreciate shooters, and at the same time open the door for all the really high-quality shooters being developed in the U.S. to make their way to Japan."
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Post by: Adrock on April 24, 2008, 05:52:03 PM
...and that Retro has an amazing FPS Wii control scheme....
As long as it doesn't involve switching visors....

Also, don't see the Zelda spin-off thing happening. What would a spin-off entail? Play as Zelda? I'd just wonder why that wasn't just part of a main series game. Play as Ganondorf? He's not that interesting as far villains go. He's a pretty flat character with a one track mind (i.e. wants power). He's a plot point, plain and simple. He exists in the Zelda series so players have a goal to complete. Could they make him more interesting for a spin-off? Yeah, I guess, but why? Or more importantly, why not make him more interesting in the main series (which they kind of did in Wind Waker)? That way, when I see him, I care and more than just simple, petty nostalgia.

I guess I just find Zelda much harder to spin-off from than say Mario or Pokemon. They could make a full fledged Zelda RPG, but then, why not just make a new IP? Any spin-off could potentially be a brand new property, one which doesn't have to adhere to the rules of an older franchise. If Nintendo is worried about new IPs selling, include a demo and a trailer with their big titles.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 24, 2008, 05:59:06 PM
Or how about a spinoff where you play as Link?

A spinoff doesn't need to imply a drastic change of cast, but a change in perspective from what is expected from the main series...Just like the Four Swords games and Link's Crossbow Training are considered spinoffs because the game is played differently...

As for how the planning for such a game could pop into existence?  Don't ask me, I don't have a clue how these sorts of decisions are made...We already know Nintendo wants to take the series into a new direction, first-person is one such direction (a direction that Miyamoto is now mysteriously interested in garnering interest for in Japan), and there's a first-party developer that has said experience in the first-person perspective...It's only a possibility, but it's far from bogus...
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Post by: Smoke39 on April 24, 2008, 06:12:39 PM
Didn't Miyamoto or Aonuma say in an interview once that they experimented with first person sword combat in TP at one point?
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Post by: Adrock on April 24, 2008, 06:22:08 PM
Or how about a spinoff where you play as Link?

A spinoff doesn't need to imply a drastic change of cast, but a change in perspective from what is expected from the main series...Just like the Four Swords games and Link's Crossbow Training are considered spinoffs because the game is played differently...
I'm aware of the nature of spin-offs so I don't need an explanation from you. I was only offering suggestions........

Still, why not just make a new IP?

And I'd say the only reason Miyamoto is suddenly interested in First Person Shooters is because 3rd parties aren't taking the Wii seriously as a console for "hardcore" gaming and the FPS, a "hardcore" gamer's genre, are more or less the best and easiest way to showcase the Wii remotes abilities. Makes sense to me anyway.....
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 24, 2008, 06:28:45 PM
I remember Miyamoto expressing interest in FPSes on Wii way back before it even launched.  He may indeed be disappointed by the relative lack of them coming from third parties so far.

Maybe he's making Retro make Geist 2, and that's why those guys quit.  :D
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 24, 2008, 06:31:07 PM
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Still, why not just make a new IP?

This is Nintendo...Miyamoto especially is fond of using Nintendo characters with new gameplay formulas, as we all know, for better or for worse (Personally, I don't think Mario Galaxy would have been any better if it started a new original cast...)

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And I'd say the only reason Miyamoto is suddenly interested in First Person Shooters is because 3rd parties aren't taking the Wii seriously as a console for "hardcore" gaming and the FPS, a "hardcore" gamer's genre, are more or less the best and easiest way to showcase the Wii remotes abilities. Makes sense to me anyway.....

Point taken, but I don't really understand why he would specifically mention the Japanese...I don't believe slightly improved Japanese sales of western FPSers would make that much of an effect on 3rd party support of the Wii...The only thing I personally think would cause Miyamoto to make a statement like this is if Nintendo itself was preparing a big internal FPS themselves...

Maybe he's making Retro make Geist 2, and that's why those guys quit.  :D

Hey, if I were told to make Geist 2 I'd be all over it... =(
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Post by: Deguello on April 24, 2008, 06:44:15 PM
If Super Mario Galaxy were an original IP, it would have been Dale's Planet Jumper Deluxe and sold three hundred copies, all to one Kiwanis Club in Marietta, GA.

Those that clamored for original IP would have ignored it, wondering "where the hell Mario is?" or asking "Why does Nintendo rely on franchises so much?"  The same thing happened with the GBA and also somehow the DS still gets this charge lobbied at it from time to time.  People like Ian Sane moan for Original IP lament franchises, and then proceed to not show interest when Original IP shows up, in favor of more moaning for original IP and lamenting franchises.

It's a cycle that's easy to see if you simply read old forums posts.
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Post by: Adrock on April 24, 2008, 06:52:15 PM
Personally, I don't think Mario Galaxy would have been any better if it started a new original cast...
Galaxy also wasn't a spin-off. I'm not opposed to Nintendo releasing main series games. Spin offs just seem pointless to me because that spin-off could have been an original IP.
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Point taken, but I don't really understand why he would specifically mention the Japanese...I don't believe slightly improved Japanese sales of western FPSers would make that much of an effect on 3rd party support of the Wii...The only thing I personally think would cause Miyamoto to make a statement like this is if Nintendo itself was preparing a big internal FPS themselves...
Well, I would imagine that Miyamoto is hoping for more than "slightly improved Japanese sales of western FPSers." The success of more "hardcore" games of any genre would encourage Japanese 3rd parties to make more "hardcore" Wii games. FPS games just happen to be the perfect fit for the Wii.
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 24, 2008, 07:15:45 PM
What if those guys who left all end up at Rare and turn the company around. Just a random thought.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 24, 2008, 07:20:46 PM
Rare's problem was management, not the actual development (they kept and still keep missing milestones), so they wouldn't make any difference... =)
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 24, 2008, 08:25:20 PM
I think the ex-Retro peoples see that the freedom of WiiWare is the future. GIVE US A HARD DRIVE NINTENDO.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 25, 2008, 04:24:56 AM
Retro working on Kid Icarus doesn't make much sense either. I thought they wanted to work on something different. If they get Kid Icarus, Nintendo has basically just relegated them to the status of revival house. Might as well give them Star Tropics and Radar Scope while they're at it......

Nintendo shouldn't "waste" Retro on older franchises. I want a sequel to Kid Icarus, but I also want an original title from Retro. Conundrum! Nintendo could always nurture a new team like they did with Retro and give them Kid Icarus. At least we can rest easier knowing that Nintendo won't let thier old franchises crash and burn under a new developer since there's precedence for them not doing that.

In all seriousness, I always thought the name "Retro" represented the purpose of the studio; which is to re-make old games,,, doesn't the word Retro literally mean to bring old stuff back to the forefront? I always thought it did, but I could be wrong. Anyways, I thought that's why they were behind Metroid and the rumors they are involved in Kid Icarus.
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Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2008, 02:22:12 AM
So the cocktease Kid Icarus Wii rumors are back, this time with some proposed artwork.... ironically showing Pit as a man... Kid Icarus featuring Pit as a man..... one of which clearly looks inspired by God of War.

Seriously, are the people who make up thse rumors even trying anymore?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on May 09, 2008, 03:04:35 AM
If you want to get technical, the art is not supposed to represent what the game will look like if it exists...(Concept art first shown when Factor 5 supposedly brought their idea to Nintendo...)

(And frankly, excluding Pit's appearance from Brawl, I think Ninty could do whatever they want with Kid Icarus, even as far as making him an adult...as long as it's good! =D)
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Post by: Crimm on May 09, 2008, 04:29:38 AM
Those images are fake.  I assure you 100% there is not one iota of reality around them.

All the signs are there, but only one needs to be pointed out:

A generic gaming blog (not even a major one) got ahold of classified artwork shared between two secretive companies and are now being linked to left and right.

Can you say "HEY!  LOOK AT US!"? Kombo sure did!
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Post by: Nick DiMola on May 09, 2008, 07:57:08 AM
Those images are fake.  I assure you 100% there is not one iota of reality around them.

All the signs are there, but only one needs to be pointed out:

A generic gaming blog (not even a major one) got ahold of classified artwork shared between two secretive companies and are now being linked to left and right.

Can you say "HEY!  LOOK AT US!"? Kombo sure did!

QFT. I don't have a problem with any of the art if it was true, but come on! There is no damn way these guys got a hold of something this massive.
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Post by: vudu on May 09, 2008, 02:32:52 PM
Can someone link to the artwork for those of us too lazy to find it ourselves?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on May 09, 2008, 04:17:49 PM
Looks like I have to play Defense Force even though I don't really care...I just find the reasons for it "being fake" silly...A small site getting "a massive story"?  It's concept art that sounds like it's nothing like what the game would look like...

Small sites and random GameFaqs people get a hold of information all the time, unless people have already forgotten Brawl...As for AMN (Kombo), the one major news story that I can recall is when they said that Silicon Knights was having issues with the UE3 engine, and SK denied it, and they were called out for making news up...And we all know what happened with that, right?  Not to mention that AMN has been claiming Factor 5 has been working on Kid Icarus for quite a while now, long before IGN started doing it, so it's not like they are just riding the coattails of another site's rumours...

Of course, I'm sure if the game does turn out to exist many will claim it to be coincidence, but eh, whatever...

Here you go, vudu... (http://wii.kombo.com/article.php?artid=11895)
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Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2008, 05:12:59 PM
There was no doubt in my mind that those images were fake. I was just commenting on how poorly constructed the rumor was.
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Post by: vudu on May 09, 2008, 05:16:36 PM
Some of those images look like they're straight out of Eternity's Child.
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Post by: RedBlue on May 09, 2008, 05:56:07 PM
I loved the photoshop wings on the dude those are some skills. :)
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Post by: Crimm on May 10, 2008, 12:52:33 AM
I'm sorry, these are clearly fake.
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Post by: Deep-Six on May 12, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
I'd bet my Wii that thoes are indeed real and here's why, IGN whe seems to know alot about the game (more then we know anyway) were talking about it in there newest podcast.  First Matt says its one of his top three most wanted Wii games and says that whoever working on the game will make it look "pretty"  Then later on he talks about Facter 5 and says they are working on one of the titles Matt mentioned in his top 3.  Basecally its pretty obvious that a new Kidd Icarus is coming and from IGN's clues its being made by Factor 5.  Part of the rumer with the art states that Facter 5 has a part in the game and if that part is true I beleve the Concept art is also.  Plus, with Factor 5 having made Lair, I'm sure they're pretty willing to to stay with the midevil/Fanticy theam.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 12, 2008, 05:04:26 PM
Well here's another rumor that could actually be true.  The rumor is that Platinum Games, a studio that's made of former Clover employee's has struck a deal with Sega to publish 3 of their games.  According to this rumor, one of these games is a title called MadWorld that will be for the Wii.  It's supposed to be a stylish ultra violent game from the description.

http://kotaku.com/5008698/sega-and-platinum-games-join-forces
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Post by: Bill Aurion on May 12, 2008, 05:07:56 PM
That seems like a crazy jump from Okami to "MadWorld"... =(

Gimme another beautiful epic!
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Post by: vudu on May 12, 2008, 05:09:38 PM
That seems like a crazy jump from Okami to "MadWorld"... =(

Wouldn't it be a logical progression from God Hand to MadWorld?  ;)
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 12, 2008, 05:10:34 PM
As long as it has nothing to do with the Gary Joules song, bring it on.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on May 12, 2008, 07:29:45 PM
To add to this "rumor" (that sounds more like someone broke NDA from the Sega Gamer's Day thing), Shigenori Nishikawa is the director of MadWorld...He did work on game design for Resident Evil 4, so it appears to be in good hands...

And the DS title is being handled by Nudemaker (Steel Battalion)...
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2008, 11:48:42 AM
The Man Icarus thing is totally believable cuz his resurrection is a bad idea.

And it looks like we just have bad ideas so far.
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Post by: EasyCure on May 13, 2008, 01:57:27 PM
As long as it has nothing to do with the Gary Joules song, bring it on.

ITS NOT BY GARY JOULES!!!

sorry, you probably know that i just really really hate people that claim that (and any other cover) to be by someone that isn't the original artist.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 13, 2008, 01:59:01 PM
As long as it has nothing to do with the Gary Joules song, bring it on.

ITS NOT BY GARY JOULES!!!

sorry, you probably know that i just really really hate people that claim that (and any other cover) to be by someone that isn't the original artist.

Even if it isn't, that song still SUCKS
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 16, 2008, 02:29:07 AM
There is a rumor saying that Shenmue 1 and 2 are coming to the Wii. Http://buttonbandits.com/2008/05/16/rumour-shenmue-1-and-2-being-ported-to-wii/
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 16, 2008, 02:41:26 AM
This damn well better be true, and if it's not I'm going to go to Sega HQ and politely ask them at gunpoint to make it true. I never even finished the first one because I was pissed at Sega for whoring the sequel out to Microsoft. If this is true true it'll be the first time people in North America can play through both games on the same save file, except for the people who chose to import from Europe and go through the extensive process of converting the save file (something I was considering). If this does happen I order all of you to buy it so Sega has no choice but to make a new Shenmue game for the Wii.
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Post by: Smoke39 on May 16, 2008, 02:57:49 AM
If this does happen I order all of you to buy it so Sega has no choice but to make a new Shenmue game for the Wii.
I will if you buy EarthBound when it comes to the VC. :3
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 16, 2008, 03:44:25 AM
LOL I quite like the first Shenmue. Bring it on!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 16, 2008, 04:27:08 AM
I already have 800 points reserved for Earthbound, I've wanted to play it for so long.
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Post by: Smoke39 on May 16, 2008, 03:30:52 PM
Then we have a deal. o:

I'm actually kind of curious about it anyway. :b
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Post by: Kairon on May 16, 2008, 03:39:49 PM
If this does happen I order all of you to buy it so Sega has no choice but to make a new Shenmue game for the Wii.

I'll buy two! Wait... I'm already getting two... that'd give me... umm.... four?
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Post by: IceCold on May 16, 2008, 11:42:23 PM
This damn well better be true, and if it's not I'm going to go to Sega HQ and politely ask them at gunpoint to make it true.

Agreed. I've said it since the controller was revealed - Sega's franchises are perfect for the Wii. Too bad their personnel is less than perfect now, but there's still lots of potential. I especially want Panzer Dragoon - that would be incredible.
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 17, 2008, 12:53:02 AM
Shenmue is actually a pretty good game, that was the other game I have for DC, damn I need to get a stupid power cable for my DC now so I can finish it up because I forgot I even had this game.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 17, 2008, 01:31:55 AM
Shenmue was clunky in hindsight, sorta like Resident Evil stiffness meets Zelda adventuring meets Kung Fu movie script, with occasional fights.

But Shenmue II PAL was great for its time.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 17, 2008, 04:29:07 AM
Shenmue II had better be good. The first one it doesn't matter as much because of all the nostalgia I have for it (Who needs Saturn on the VC when I've got one in my room in Shenmue?).
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 17, 2008, 06:58:11 AM
Well, only the PAL version was good. (no engrish voicing)

it was one massive subtitled martial arts flick
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Post by: animecyberrat on May 17, 2008, 10:47:57 PM
Shenmue was for Dreamcast not Saturn.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 18, 2008, 12:12:01 AM
I still maintain that canceling the US release of Shenmue II on the DC and making it an Xbox exclusive was the worst thing Sega ever did. Worse than the Genesis add-ons, worse than the price of the Saturn, worse than the PS3/360 Sonic The Hedgehog (remember to capitalize the The, Sega registered The as Sonic's middle name as part of the trademark in order to make sure it was capitalized).
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Post by: The Omen on June 02, 2008, 08:14:36 PM
Just so you guys know, one of the rumors I heard about last year may be coming to fruition tomorrow.  I can't get a confirmation from the guy, but I think it's Dead Rising.  It's the only Capcom game besides Mega Man that I didn't receive a "no" about when I was quizzing him.  I could possibly be reading too much into it, but this same person told me Dead Rising was a certainty a long time ago, so kind of odd he doesn't say anything now.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 02, 2008, 08:17:30 PM
CAPCOM TO RELEASE SHENMUE PERFECT COLLECTION EX
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 03, 2008, 03:19:19 PM
http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2008/06/03/capcom-reveals-sci-fi-spyborgs/ (http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2008/06/03/capcom-reveals-sci-fi-spyborgs/)
Looks like the next Capcom Wii Exclusive is Spyborgs.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 03, 2008, 07:20:02 PM
With a name like that it has to be good!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2008, 04:17:14 AM
Can someone be so kind as to provide a run down of all the rumors that have happened in this thread over the last 6 months?

I would like to get caught up and maybe update the OP.

thanx
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Post by: Bill Aurion on June 12, 2008, 09:30:04 AM
~ More Golden Sun for Wii rumours
~ Retro in trouble (ended up in three members leaving/being fired)
~ More Kid Icarus for Wii rumours (by Factor 5)
~ Madworld for Wii by Platinum Games (ended up true)
~ Shenmue for Wii
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 27, 2008, 12:50:43 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/CONFUZZLED_MUNKIE/11h9bon.jpg)

I wonder what this could be. I'm actually glad that Future Publishing now runs Nintendo Power since they are sure taking names and kicking ass.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 27, 2008, 01:01:05 PM
Little King Story is my guess. Or perhaps Golden Sun.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 27, 2008, 01:18:26 PM
Some People are Guessing Kingdom Hearts 3...

Because KING, HEART, and 3...are all in the story together.

Personally, I would not want Kingdom Hearts 3.  I would rather a Kingdom Hearts spinoff with Nintendo characters instead of Disney.  Truthfully the PS3 should get Kingdom Hearts 3 so that the series can all be on the same platform.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 27, 2008, 01:20:24 PM
Maybe it will have Nintendo character's in the version :P
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 27, 2008, 01:23:52 PM
That would be almost too awesome.

Is there enough Nintendo "worlds" for Sora to visit?

Mario
Donkey Kong
Zelda
Metroid
Pikmin
Kirby
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 27, 2008, 01:34:12 PM
I'm sorry but the King is none other than the monach of Castle Vidcons.
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Post by: Strell on June 27, 2008, 01:38:29 PM
Don't get your hopes up.  This is NP.

I'm guessing whatever news they dish out is something we've known for a good long while.

Hey!  Maybe it's Castlevania Judgement!  They could make it two-for-two with Castlevania rumors.

Oh, and be sure to **** all over my desperate want of Mother 3, Nintendo!  Classy!
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 27, 2008, 01:48:50 PM
Well If Nintendo was to create a Kingdom Hearts game with SquareEnix I think there are enough Nintendo Worlds.

Pikmin,
Mario,
Zelda,
Metroid,
Kirby,
Pokemon,
F-Zero,
Starfy,
Elite Beat Agents???
Animal Crossing,
Fire Emblem,
Advance Wars,
World of Miis,
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 27, 2008, 02:31:10 PM
Hmm looking at the words it could be Kingdom Hearts, My Little King.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 27, 2008, 03:27:31 PM
I don't get "It's got a lot of heart.  Just kidding."  What does that refer to?

Edit:  That being a Kingdom Hearts joke seems a little tenuous to me.  I still wonder if it's supposed to refer to something else.
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Post by: vudu on June 27, 2008, 03:29:00 PM
I think that's just part of making fun of Mother 3 fans.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 27, 2008, 03:45:09 PM
Wizards & Warriors, by Zoonami.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 27, 2008, 05:26:49 PM
Well If Nintendo was to create a Kingdom Hearts game with SquareEnix I think there are enough Nintendo Worlds.

Pikmin,
Mario,
Zelda,
Metroid,
Kirby,
Pokemon,
F-Zero,
Starfy,
Elite Beat Agents???
Animal Crossing,
Fire Emblem,
Advance Wars,
World of Miis,


Starfox
Wario Ware
Kid Icarus
Yoshi
DK

The list goes on.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 27, 2008, 06:15:42 PM
I can see the importance of

Kid Icarus and
Donkey Kong...I am upset I forgot those.

Would you really separate Wario from the Mario universe?  I wouldn't, same with Yoshi.

Star Fox, would be a very fun world to explore in an RPG.

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 27, 2008, 06:25:31 PM
I think Wario could be separated because the Wario Ware games defined a separate universe from Mario with its own characters and art style, like the DKC games did for Donkey Kong. I separate the Yoshi series of games from the Mario series but they're clearly the same universe.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 27, 2008, 07:14:18 PM
Is Tingle now separate from the Zelda franchise?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 27, 2008, 07:27:26 PM
Tingle had one spin-off. I don't know if it included memorable characters or not because I never played it. I'd argue that you need more than one game to have your own separate universe, and you have to have enough original stuff in it to justify calling it its own universe. Yoshi fails because every good game of his has included characters from the Mario universe.
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Post by: Kairon on June 27, 2008, 08:02:36 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/CONFUZZLED_MUNKIE/11h9bon.jpg)

Gee NP, rip my heart out of my chest, throw it on the pavement, and stomp on it why don't ya?
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Post by: animecyberrat on June 27, 2008, 08:08:12 PM
Is it Kingdom Hearts then?


Quote
Star Fox, would be a very fun world to explore in an RPG.

It would but just like Star Fox Adventures it will get a lot of undeserved hate by the fans and fall into obscurity.
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Post by: vudu on June 30, 2008, 02:43:17 PM
Is it Kingdom Hearts then?

It's most likely Fire Emblem DS.
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Post by: norebonomis on July 14, 2008, 01:10:49 PM
hey folks! long time since i've logged into these forums...
any recent zelda rumors? any active threads on the next zelda... or am i jumping the gun way to soon?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 14, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
Zelda Fighter included with WiiMotionPrus!
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Post by: norebonomis on July 14, 2008, 01:39:48 PM
lol, Link's Goron Boxing Trainer Sim?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 14, 2008, 02:57:31 PM
There is news that the wiimote is going to have 1:1 controls and everybody is going crazy over the news.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2008, 03:23:44 PM
I hope and pray that there is no Zelda fighting game. 
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 14, 2008, 07:43:53 PM
I hope and pray that there is no Zelda fighting game. 

Why not? You won't have to buy it, but what does it hurt if they make it? Just as long as they make regular Zelda games too then I see no problem.
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Post by: EasyCure on July 14, 2008, 07:58:46 PM
there's no need for an all zelda fighter when you can already be the series main characters in brawl, so i wouldnt worry about Zelda: Hyrule Hyper Fighting Spak.

besides who else would you play as other than:

Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (Ganon would probably be the final boss of such a game)
and maybe Zant and Midna

Hm.. Tingle would be the joke character.. Maybe you can do stuff with Tetra. Anyone else i can think of for a zelda-themed fighter would be a generic baddy like Stalfos or Iron Knuckles. Maybe they can brink back the mysterious old man that gives you your Sword in the first LOZ game, make him the most badass character in the game.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 14, 2008, 11:20:06 PM
They could make a Zelda fighter just based on the characters from Twilight Princess alone.

Just think about a fighting game involving these characters with their own special moves and such:

Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Midna
Human Midna
Hena
Iza
Coro
Jovani
Barnes
Agitha
Renado
That annoying postman dude

et cetera...

So just TP alone has enough characters to make a fighter game out of. Plus you got all the other Zelda games as well.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2008, 11:33:59 PM
But the point of Zelda is not to just needlessly fight in an arena. 

If Zelda was JUST a fighting game.  Hell, if it was just a brawler with endless item and weapons fighting it would be a boring and non-magical game.

Zelda has always and will always be about exploring a fantasy world in real time.  Fighting, puzzling, helping others in a quest to save Hyrule and to a less extent to save your Destiny...Princess Zelda.

Look at what happened when Nintendo tried to change the genre of Zelda we got the Wii Zapper with a Zelda FPS and target practice that was pretty irrelevant. 

Nintendo already has a great fighter in Smash Bros.  And that game was just released...we don't need to dilute Zelda with a fighting game.  Instead, Nintendo would do better to help Lucas Arts develop Clone Wars into a fantastic 1to1 fighting game, which we all desperately want outta of that game...and would basically be Zelda Fighting.

I do want the new MotionPlus controller used with the new Zelda.  I see it being used to help make the game more immersive   in all aspects of game play.

1)Actually manipulating the environment puzzles, pulling chains, latches, and basically manipulating puzzles to make every puzzle feel new and unique.

2) New 1to1 combat with all items and new items and several new ways to use classic items.

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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 20, 2008, 08:29:43 PM
OK here is another rumor. Pikmin 3 is going to be released on March 27th,2009.
Here (http://Http://nintendowiifanboy.com/2008/07/20/rumor-Pikmin-3-to-bloom-next-march/) is the rumor.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 20, 2008, 08:57:46 PM
I'm calling malarkey on this one. If that was really the European date, then we would have the game in the US by now.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 20, 2008, 09:42:29 PM
Who knows if it really that date. If we look at Mario Kart and Brawl. Mario Kart was released before the US version and Brawl was released in at the end of June in the UK. So if we go by this we will have to get closer to that date to be sure or wait till Nintendo lets us know. Either way we got some waiting to do.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 21, 2008, 12:49:04 AM
Well Pikmin 3 still could be a game for holiday 2008 in the US and Japan...or perhaps more likely just Japan...and then Europe gets it in March.  Or Europe could just get it first.  That rumor isn't so bold, since the fact that we know it is being worked on and Nintendo uses March as a big launch month.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 21, 2008, 12:59:47 AM
Does anybody know how long Pikmin 3 has been in development? If we knew that we can narrow down the release date.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 21, 2008, 01:14:41 AM
I doubt many that aren't actually working on the game know that information... ='D
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 21, 2008, 01:31:31 AM
Yeah your right.Darn
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 21, 2008, 05:12:47 AM
Well since Nintendo's new policy is not to reveal games until they're almost done, Pikmin 3 could have been in development for years now, so a fall release date is very possible.  Or they could have started development last month and we wont see the game for another 2 years either.
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Post by: Dasmos on July 21, 2008, 12:36:04 PM
Pikmin 3 is basically ready now, Nintendo is just trying to get as many companies to sign on to have their product advertising in the game. It's gonna be huge!
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 21, 2008, 07:32:44 PM
Well since Nintendo's new policy is not to reveal games until they're almost done, Pikmin 3 could have been in development for years now, so a fall release date is very possible.  Or they could have started development last month and we wont see the game for another 2 years either.

Makes you wonder what else is just around the corner that they haven't announced yet. 2008 may contain a few more surprises yet..
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 21, 2008, 08:29:06 PM
2008 Better contain a few more surprises or I might not being a Nintendo published console game for the winter, and that hasn't happened in YEARS!!!
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Post by: redgiemental on July 23, 2008, 11:26:18 AM
I hate to be the barer of bad news Spak-Spang.

"You have seen the extent of Nintendo's 2008 holiday line-up," - Cammie Dunaway

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=200316
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Post by: Dasmos on July 23, 2008, 11:39:43 AM
I hate to be the voice of reason.

"Twilight Princess will not be a Wii game." - Regie Fils-Aime.

And do I need to remind you of all Perrin Kaplan's gaffes? Nothing is definite.
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Post by: redgiemental on July 23, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
I would think if they had anything else up their sleeves not only would they be aware of it, I would think that after the reception they got they would at least be hinting at having something more rather than ruling out the possibility.


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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 31, 2008, 12:15:55 AM
 Jet Grind Radio heading to Wii? (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=51086)
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 31, 2008, 12:31:51 AM
I hate to be the voice of reason.

"Twilight Princess will not be a Wii game." - Regie Fils-Aime.

And do I need to remind you of all Perrin Kaplan's gaffes? Nothing is definite.

Reggie was right.  We got a shoddy GameCube game, regardless of platform.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 31, 2008, 05:25:26 AM
Jet Grind Radio heading to Wii? (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=51086)

I'd buy it.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 31, 2008, 09:21:56 AM
The Jet Grind Radio for Wii...if it is a brand new game is fantastic...I would love that game for a long time.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 31, 2008, 05:25:59 PM
http://toucharcade.com/2008/07/31/segas-classic-jet-grind-radio-headed-for-the-iphone/

Nothing to see here folks, looks like it's just an iPhone port of the original game then.  Of course a Jet Grind Set Radio game for the Wii would work well, doesn't seem like it's happening now.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 07, 2008, 04:19:00 PM
Sega vs Capcom at TGS? (http://www.nintendoeverything.com/?p=4655)
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Post by: Spak-Spang on October 07, 2008, 06:01:37 PM
Sega Vs Capcom? 

Now that is weird. 

I think i would rather have Nintendo vs. Capcom...but then Sega does have more Fighting franchises.
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Post by: Adrock on October 07, 2008, 07:28:40 PM
Or Nintendo vs. Sega vs. Capcom..... at which point, they might as well just include every other 3rd party possible and create the biggest fanboygasm this universe has ever seen.

Also, Sega only really has Virtua Fighter, unless you count Fighting Vipers or Sonic the Fighters which I don't. In any case, a vs. game doesn't necessarily need fighting game characters to work (see: Smash).
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 07, 2008, 08:07:38 PM
Or Nintendo vs. Sega vs. Capcom..... at which point, they might as well just include every other 3rd party possible and create the biggest fanboygasm this universe has ever seen.

I still expect to see a Nintendo vs Capcom one of these days.  Since Capcom loves to do these crossover games (Marvel, SNK, Namco, Tatsunoko, and maybe Sega now) it's only a matter of time.  Plus considering all the deals Nintendo and Capcom have made in the past and keep making with each other, the makes the chances of it happening even greater.

Of course I'm not expecting anything at the current time, but I do believe that sometime in the next 10 years we will see a Nintendo and Capcom crossover.
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Post by: Adrock on October 08, 2008, 12:47:45 AM
Sometime in the next 10 years? The safest bet anyone has ever made anywhere ever. ;)

Nintendo vs. Sega would've been epic 6 years ago, but Sega has instead spent these past 6 years making it seem less and less so.... not that I still wouldn't take such a game. A Nintendo vs. Capcom game intrigues me though I'm more intrigued by the aforementioned Nintendo vs. everyone battle royale.

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Post by: Bill Aurion on October 16, 2008, 10:42:10 AM
"The Calling" (http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/2008/10/hudson-to-announce-new-horror-title-for.html) by Hudson will be announced sometime in the near future, according to some leaked PR videos...

I don't mind another horror game for Wii, particularly one that looks this interesting!  (Very Fatal Frame-inspired)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 16, 2008, 11:01:25 AM
"The Calling" (http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/2008/10/hudson-to-announce-new-horror-title-for.html) by Hudson will be announced sometime in the near future, according to some leaked PR videos...

I don't mind another horror game for Wii, particularly one that looks this interesting!  (Very Fatal Frame-inspired)
That dos look kinda creepy. I'll keep an eye out for that one. is fatal frame out yet?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on October 16, 2008, 11:03:45 AM
In Japan, yes...No word on a localization yet... =\
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 16, 2008, 12:06:53 PM
That reminds me a bit of the gameplay of Penumbra.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on November 04, 2008, 12:29:46 AM
http://kotaku.com/5075338/thq-ceo-+-difficult-economic-environment-to-blame-for-layoffs

Well it seems that THQ is having a difficult time surviving in this economic climate.

http://kotaku.com/5075080/thq-shuttering-four-to-five-studios-including-paradigm-juice-%5Bupdate%5D

Well it turns out to be true.More as it comes.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on November 13, 2008, 02:39:40 AM
Well I found a rumor that is pretty big and not in a good way. EGM stated in the rumor section that Crystal Bearers has been canceled.

Well it turns out that that has no ounce of truth to it (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=62744)
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on November 13, 2008, 02:42:22 AM
Ah, I see maybe this is a case of the media experiementing with throwing their weight around? How would EGM ever have known this?
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Post by: Urkel on November 13, 2008, 02:56:48 AM
Didn't EGM say Oboru Muramasu Youtoden was cancelled just weeks before it reemerged, with confirmation of a North American release?

They're just pulling this stuff out of their asses.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on November 13, 2008, 03:02:20 AM
They don't. They just assume that because there was a new FF for Wii and DS coupled with not hearing anything on the Crystal Bearers for so long that the new ones replaced the old.

I have a saying for assumptions."When you assume something you make an ass out of you and me."
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Post by: KDR_11k on November 13, 2008, 03:14:09 AM
IGN also hinted at Kid Icarus Wii. They're just a bunch of idiots who want to feel important.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on November 13, 2008, 03:29:34 AM
I'll poop on their chests
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Post by: Adrock on November 13, 2008, 05:53:59 PM
Square Enix reaffirmed that the game is still in development, but I have a feeling it's still going to get cancelled. Monster Hunter 3 is going to change the entire game in Japan so much so that every other company is going to look at the hand their playing on the Wii and sh*t themselves.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on November 13, 2008, 06:11:44 PM
SquareEnix's response to rumors (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=62949)

I think that the game will still be released despite MHTWii being released.
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Post by: Adrock on November 13, 2008, 06:49:08 PM
Certainly a safer bet. I still think it's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. And I really don't want to here Square Enix innocently ponder about how they don't understand why a game like Crystal Bearers got its sh*t schooled by their higher profile releases on PS3/360 then chalk up the lower sales to Wii owners not wanting those types of games.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on November 13, 2008, 06:50:47 PM
They are two different genres, so why does it matter? =)
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Post by: Adrock on November 13, 2008, 07:00:21 PM
Because 3rd parties tend to lump games in terms of sales performance, not genre.

"Wah, wah, Wii owners only buy Nintendo's own games. Pony Land 3 and Ninja Party didn't sell as well as Super Mario Galaxy. Wait, maybe it's because Nintendo gives a damn about quality.... nah, it must be the Wii owners.... hopefully Pony Land 4: Ponies will do better against Wii Sports Resort."

Monster Hunter 3 is the first high profile game that a publisher flat-out chose to develop for the Wii and on top of that, it actually looks like Capcom gives a sh*t because it doesn't like like a 3DO game and they aren't toning down for casual gamers. That's why it matters. When MH3 rapes everything in its path in Japan, 3rd parties should finally wake up and realize that all they have to do is care and anything will sell on the Wii.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on November 13, 2008, 08:59:39 PM

Monster Hunter 3 is the first high profile game that a publisher flat-out chose to develop for the Wii and on top of that, it actually looks like Capcom gives a sh*t because it doesn't like like a 3DO game and they aren't toning down for casual gamers. That's why it matters. When MH3 rapes everything in its path in Japan, 3rd parties should finally wake up and realize that all they have to do is care and anything will sell on the Wii.

This is one of the reasons why I wouldn't doubt it if Nintendo teams up with Capcom to release a special Monster Hunter Wii bundle for the games release.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on November 29, 2008, 12:50:48 PM
Disaster:DoC to see NA release? (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=64589)
If true this is exciting news.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 03, 2008, 04:37:21 PM
 DQ IX may come out for Wii as well and be cross compatible with DS (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3171621)

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Last month we learned exactly how the connectivity between the Wii and DS would work in the upcoming Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time, but if the latest rumor from Quartermann in the the January issue of EGM is to be believed, Square Enix will not stop there with the new technology. Our favorite gossip master has heard that the RPG giant will be bringing Dragon Quest IX: Protectors of the Starry Sky to the Wii as well as the DS.

While Dragon Quest IX being announced for the DS rather than a home console was a big enough surprise in the first place, fans of the long-running series were even more shocked to discover that this latest entry will sport faster-paced gameplay and a surprising MMO-lite option to play with up to four friends. Assuming this multiplayer mode works similarly to the DS-and-Wii-linking Echoes of Time, it makes sense that Square would bring DQIX to the console as well. The only question that remains is whether or not the Wii port will receive a graphical upgrade -- the Wii and DS versions of the new Crystal Chronicles are going to be identical, after all. Hopefully Square will confirm this news soon and give us more details.

If this is true Nintendo just sold a lot of Wiis.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2008, 04:46:14 PM
Fantastic, this ensures Skware doesn't work on real Final Fantasy games.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 04, 2008, 01:57:49 PM
Matt goes on about Kid Icarus again.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/935/935460p1.html

You know, if the game is really in actual development Nintendo should cancel it just to troll IGN.

Iwata: (laughs)

Miyamoto: (laughs)

Matt: (crys)
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 04, 2008, 03:13:49 PM
I couldn't disagree with Matt more on what the game should be like.  He just wants a God of War flight sim.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 04, 2008, 03:36:23 PM
Good god.  Kratos standing on an X-wing using a leash, fly around like SERPENTOR

CO-BRA - LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 04, 2008, 03:47:35 PM
Serpentor was the point where G.I.Joe jumped the shark.

But seriously, should Kid Icarus Wii be more like Mario Galaxy meets Sega's Nights?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 04, 2008, 04:08:42 PM
More like Mario Galaxy meets RE4.  3D platforming with a free cursor to fire arrows anywhere anytime.  The camera doesn't have to be stuck to the aiming function, so it's like grabbing/shooting starbits as you pleased when Mario was jumping around however you made him.

Actually, it's like Mario Galaxy, period.

So it's like a faster Bee Mario but he has ranged weaponry.
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Post by: vudu on December 04, 2008, 04:46:46 PM
You mean like star bits?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 04, 2008, 05:11:31 PM
more like Skittles.
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Post by: Deguello on December 04, 2008, 05:23:52 PM
Ugh I always hate it when journalists like Matt do that.  Its like that Diablo III tragedy, where people thought the rated M sequel wasn't "Dark" enough.  But Matt's always had terrible ideas for games.  Zelda fighter anyone?  It's like he subconsciously wants Nintendo to fail.

I can even imagine a likely scenario:

Matt has already seen the game, is displeased, and throws out his "expectations" so when Nintendo doesn't meet them, he can write more angry stuff that collect more hits.  "Wii is teh casual" is easy to write and will get hits from people who already don't like it.  In-depth investigative journalism is much harder.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 04, 2008, 06:42:11 PM
Matt's not a journalist, he runs an interweb business of posting text with ads.
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Post by: Stogi on December 04, 2008, 07:12:29 PM
I couldn't bring myself to read the 3 pages worth of bullshit. Hell, I could barely bring myself to click the link.

I've never played Kid Icarus and I'm sure there are many people who bought SSBB like me, who've never played Kid Icarus. It might as well be a new IP with an already established character model.

I like your idea Daisy. That sounds pretty cool (just as long as it doesn't involve planetoids).
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 04, 2008, 07:15:29 PM
Don't worry, flying Kratos destroys planetoids.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 05, 2008, 12:06:10 AM
Ugh I always hate it when journalists like Matt do that.  Its like that Diablo III tragedy, where people thought the rated M sequel wasn't "Dark" enough.  But Matt's always had terrible ideas for games.  Zelda fighter anyone?  It's like he subconsciously wants Nintendo to fail.

I can even imagine a likely scenario:

Matt has already seen the game, is displeased, and throws out his "expectations" so when Nintendo doesn't meet them, he can write more angry stuff that collect more hits.  "Wii is teh casual" is easy to write and will get hits from people who already don't like it.  In-depth investigative journalism is much harder.

Actually, I bet ANYTHING that once Kid Icarus Wii is finally revealed the fanbase will throw a crap fest simply because its NOT what they were hoping for, and Matt will join the bandwagon, claiming Nintendo has ruined the series.

Really, all of these editorials and rumors are setting people up for major disappointment, and then somehow it will be Nintendo's fault.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 05, 2008, 01:33:04 AM
Kid Icarus will be resurrected as a Wii Party game for mom and grandma to play.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 05, 2008, 03:27:30 AM
Starring Gerard Butler as Pit.
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Post by: EasyCure on December 05, 2008, 10:16:51 AM
TONIGHT WE DINE IN THE FAMILY ROOM!
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Post by: Adrock on December 06, 2008, 04:03:02 AM
It was okay until "I'd prefer realism." What the hell? That would be horrible.

I'd prefer the art style to stay in line with Pit in Brawl (sans voice). The design wasn't perfect but it seemed a natural progression of an 80's character. In terms of gameplay, I'd love to see Nintendo release a 2D game. Not exactly like the original games, but certainly something that follows the series action/platforming roots and takes to another level. But, since Nintendo has no balls, we'll see a 3D game. It can't be like Zelda though. They aren't the same kind of games and if they were to make Kid Icarus like Zelda, why not just make it a Zelda game?
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Post by: Kairon on December 06, 2008, 04:19:22 AM
Whenever someone says they want ultra-realistic graphics for X classic game I want to... I want to.... punch....rrr....dandelions.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 06, 2008, 04:29:34 AM
Don't say Nintendo doesn't have balls. They're pretty much the only company willing to even make 2D games anymore. So Nintendo does have balls, and they are 2-dimensional balls at that. :P But yeah, you may be right... Icarus could go 3D. I was just saying Nintendo does still support 2D once and awhile, so it isn't something thats out of the question.

Now that I think about it, couldn't they actually do both? They could release a new 3D one for the Wii, and also put out a 2D remake kinda thing for the DS, ala NSMB. That way it would kinda be the best of both worlds, and none of the fans would get pissed off (well, except Ian, but then again I think he just invents reasons to get pissed off if none exist :p)
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Post by: Adrock on December 06, 2008, 03:15:00 PM
Kid Icarus 3 (for lack of a better name) wouldn't sell as a 2D game, even if keeping the series in 2D would make for a better game, not that going 3D would necessarily make for a "bad" game. The 2D games Nintendo releases are largely established franchises, of which Kid Icarus has no such luxury of being. Pit is a relic of the 80s, a niche character that old-school fans wax nostalgic. I doubt Nintendo will resurrect a dead franchise unless they can change Pit's status. When/If Pit returns for a 3rd outing, he'll have to or at least will be expected to sell because NIntendo has no real reason to go back to the well.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 06, 2008, 04:29:50 PM
Super Princess Peach wasn't an established franchise, and it did well, didn't it?

And I kinda disagree, because it is an established franchise that appeared on both the NES and the original Gameboy. I don't know how many people owned or played it back then, but odds are many of them would pick up a 2D remake just for retro sake, and even Nintendo fans like myself who never played it would consider picking it up to see what all the fuss was about.

Plus the beauty of a 2D version is it is much cheaper to develop, so even if it doesn't sell quite as much, it could still be just as profitable as a 3D version. And like I said, Nintendo could make both and then we all could see how great they do in comparison... and they'd probably mutually promote each other, because chances are someone would get at least one, and then if they are amazed by it they could consider the other as well.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 07, 2008, 12:32:30 AM
I want to see the games a third person 3D game just because they seem to be in a sorry state right now.

The 3d Platformer is as dead as shmups save the brilliant Mario Galaxy, and all other third person games have either become a FPS where you can see the character, (ala RE5, Uncharted, Gears) or a disconnected twitch brawler, (ala Devil May Cry, God of War, Gaiden) The genre has become too refined without anything new to lead the way.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 07, 2008, 04:04:00 AM
I want to see the games a third person 3D game just because they seem to be in a sorry state right now.

The 3d Platformer is as dead as shmups save the brilliant Mario Galaxy, and all other third person games have either become a FPS where you can see the character, (ala RE5, Uncharted, Gears) or a disconnected twitch brawler, (ala Devil May Cry, God of War, Gaiden) The genre has become too refined without anything new to lead the way.

Welcome to the HD Next Gen era.  Say goodbye to creativity and say hello to bald marines and 50 different shades of brown.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 07, 2008, 04:18:25 AM
I want to see the games a third person 3D game just because they seem to be in a sorry state right now.

The 3d Platformer is as dead as shmups save the brilliant Mario Galaxy, and all other third person games have either become a FPS where you can see the character, (ala RE5, Uncharted, Gears) or a disconnected twitch brawler, (ala Devil May Cry, God of War, Gaiden) The genre has become too refined without anything new to lead the way.

Welcome to the HD Next Gen era.  Say goodbye to creativity and say hello to bald marines and 50 different shades of brown.

I do believe you''ve just described the Iraq War in a nutshell.
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Post by: Adrock on December 07, 2008, 12:40:29 PM
Super Princess Peach wasn't an established franchise, and it did well, didn't it?
Princess Peach is an established character who has been in almost every Mario title and spinoff ever.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 07, 2008, 10:38:26 PM
Super Princess Peach wasn't an established franchise, and it did well, didn't it?
Princess Peach is an established character who has been in almost every Mario title and spinoff ever.

That is true, but hey, Pit was in Brawl (plus those old games), so he has been exposed to an audience of millions. I know its not to the extent Peach is, but hey, a typical Wii gamer is likely to be somewhat familiar with him now thanks to Brawl alone.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on December 09, 2008, 09:49:17 PM
I saw this rumor (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=65707). I remember reading that the PSP is gonna get the most recent PSP MH game that was released in Japan to test the NA waters.
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Post by: Peachylala on December 09, 2008, 10:34:52 PM
And...why should we be surprised? Capcom basically dicked over Nintendo, it's fans and Mikami along with the rest of Clover when it shafted the Gamecube 5. The RE4 exclusive deal wasn't Mikami's doing either, it was basically the stockholders doing. It's what made Clover break away and form a new studio. Zack and Wiki might not even get a sequal, and they are blaming the Wii user base for not buying it... except they didn't advertise the fucking game AT ALL.

Maybe we should make a thread about game marketing?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 09, 2008, 10:37:45 PM
Ian and I mutually complained about Nintendo library marketing in 2005 i believe.
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Post by: IceCold on December 09, 2008, 10:39:08 PM
We've been complaining about it way before 2005.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on December 10, 2008, 01:06:12 AM
Capcom actually just put up on their Monster Hunter 3 page that the game IS exclusive...I guess we'll see... =)
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Post by: Bill Aurion on December 15, 2008, 08:49:29 PM
Okay, we all know IGN loves to hint at games that may or may not actually exist, so let's add to their ever-growing list!

They've hinted at secret Wii projects from Konami and EA...Of course, take everything with a giant chunk of salt...

Edit:  Wait, just realized the person transcribing is known to be a big fat liar...(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/BillAurion/Assorted/hmmm-1.gif)  Yep, Squenix and Retro talk is fake...
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 15, 2008, 09:58:05 PM
SK is working on Zelda huh
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Post by: Bill Aurion on December 15, 2008, 10:05:45 PM
Retro is... (http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc48/BillAurion/Assorted/lolsmiley.png)
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 17, 2008, 12:09:00 AM
From Game Lab's Blind Rumor Mill

* The popular RPG series "T" by game company "N" will see several releases in 2009. There are said to be six games in development, both outsourced and within the company, and at least one "T" game will hit every single current gen platform next year.

* Although the DS rhythm game sequel "R" by game company "N" received mixed reviews due to its change of input method from buttons to stylus, it performed so well that "N" has begun developing a Wii version. Staff from this year's Wii music game "W" are reportedly involved.

* Game company "S" is attempting to headhunt employees from American game company "L" to assist with its virtual online experience, "H".

* Game company "C" is reportedly prepping an Xbox 360 sequel to original Xbox game "S", famous for its gigantic limited edition controller. The 360 version of the controller is said to be wireless.

* Game company "N" is said to be working on a second iteration of its fitness game, "W". New features apparently include stretching and massages. A certain former U.S. Army instructor has reportedly been approached about endorsing the game.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on December 17, 2008, 12:23:41 AM
To make it easy for everyone:

1)  Lots of Tales games...
2)  Rhythm Heaven Wii...
3)  Sony is trying to get those guys that made Second Life to help them with their own horrible Home...
4)  Steel Battalion for 360...
5)  Wii Fit 2...
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Post by: IceCold on December 17, 2008, 12:25:52 AM
Tales, Namco, Rythm Tengoku, Nintendo, Wii Music, Sony, ??, Home, ??, ??, Nintendo, Wii Fit ?
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Post by: IceCold on December 17, 2008, 12:26:02 AM
Damn.
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Post by: Kairon on December 17, 2008, 12:34:04 AM
"certain former US Army instructor?" Huh?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 17, 2008, 12:45:11 AM
SGT. SLAWTURR
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Post by: Adrock on December 17, 2008, 02:07:37 AM
Probably R. Lee Ermey. Known for his role as Sgt. Hartman in Full Metal Jacket and kissing Jack Black in Saving Silverman.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 17, 2008, 02:59:43 AM
Ermey is U.S. Marine Corps, tho.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 17, 2008, 03:12:04 AM
Isn't the guy from Celebrity fit club a former drill instructor?
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Post by: White Mage on December 17, 2008, 10:04:40 AM
Isn't the guy from Celebrity fit club a former drill instructor?

Yes he is, but I believe he is from the U.S. Marine Corps as well.
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Post by: Caliban on December 17, 2008, 12:21:57 PM
4)  Steel Battalion for 360

Want! Huge Controller too.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 17, 2008, 01:49:28 PM
They are just barely bringing WiiSports 2 after two years, they have yet to make a WiiPlay 2 (still a #1 selling game so I understand why, but why not have 2 controller bundles? with an eventual 3rd? we all need 3 extra controllers eventually). I find it weird that WiiFit 2 would come so soon. Good news though. all of it, except maybe steel battalion for 360.

that game should become MechWarrior360 or something like that
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 18, 2009, 03:56:13 PM
I have three little tidbits of exclusive info and rumours for you. The first one concerns troubled developer Factor 5. I can confirm to you that work on all current projects is continuing. Expect an official announcement within two weeks.

Secondly, concerning 'Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop' and fears of no more than fifteen enemies on screen at any one time, fear not. I have just spoken to someone who has played a current build of the game. While there will not be a hundred zombies on screen, there will be a sufficient amount, I was told. Basically, you can expect a few dozens of them rather than one dozen. This will be a really cool game, I understand.

Lastly, I have some reason to believe that Silicon Knights ('Eternal Darkness', 'Too Human') may be working on a Wii title. This is slightly going out on a limb here. But, like I said, I have some reason to believe so.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 18, 2009, 04:28:53 PM
BUH
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 18, 2009, 04:34:29 PM
Heeeeeey, you should put that in quotes... =3
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Post by: Tanatoes on January 18, 2009, 08:55:04 PM
BUH
Sneh.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 18, 2009, 09:24:06 PM
BUH

FUH...
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 19, 2009, 02:47:19 AM
BUH
GUH
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 19, 2009, 07:49:34 AM
HUH?
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Post by: Dasmos on January 19, 2009, 08:04:41 AM
SPAM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2009, 12:31:12 PM
Lastly, I have some reason to believe that Silicon Knights ('Eternal Darkness', 'Too Human') may be working on a Wii title. This is slightly going out on a limb here. But, like I said, I have some reason to believe so.
Have they released Too Human yet? We all know that they take so long on finishing one game,that maybe they should just concentrate on one console and one game at a time. Its good that they are planning on supporting Wii2, but any game announced from them is not likely to be playable for years to come.
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Post by: Stogi on January 19, 2009, 12:50:52 PM
Ya they released the first of three.

I would love for an ED2 with motion+ but that'll never happen. Ever.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 19, 2009, 04:03:06 PM
You will say, "WAOW!"
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 19, 2009, 05:49:54 PM
I doubt Too Human will really become a trilogy but hey, if they want to hit their head thrice on the same wall...
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 19, 2009, 05:56:21 PM
Why plan on a trilogy unless you can get 100% promised funding for a trilogy.  Instead why not just go for a good sequel to finish the story.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 19, 2009, 05:57:48 PM
Yes, if they took 10 years just to complete ONE chapter who knows how long it will take them o make part 2...
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 19, 2009, 06:05:30 PM
Yes, if they took 10 years just to complete ONE chapter who knows how long it will take them o make part 2...

After playing through the first chapter I don't think I want to play the 2nd chapter until it's 20 dollars.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 19, 2009, 06:16:45 PM
Flames so that will be in 2020?
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Post by: Adrock on January 19, 2009, 06:23:26 PM
Too Human didn't take 10 years to complete.

Silicon Knights is a slow developer, but the TH world is set. Unless they plan on revamping the story again or starting from scratch, a sequel should be out sooner rather than later.

It comes down to priorities. SK supposedly has 3 titles in the works: Too Human 2, a untitled project to be published by Sega, and a rumored Wii game. Since they've traditionally had trouble working on more than 1 title at a time, completing the Too Human series would be the best idea considering the parts SK obsess over are/should be finished (characters/plot). I want Eternal Darkness 2 as much as the next person, but unless Dennis Dyack plans on hiring more people or has learned some time management skills, they're better off finishing whatever is furthest along which is likely Too Human 2.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 19, 2009, 06:26:29 PM
=\

If he considers recycling GameCube assets from Eternal Darkness, then I'd say ED2 is much further along.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 19, 2009, 06:28:03 PM
I want Eternal Darkness 2 as much as the next person, but unless Dennis Dyack plans on hiring more people or has learned some time management skills, they're better off finishing whatever is furthest along which is likely Too Human 2.

Well, how did Too Human do sales-wise?  (in the chance that MS doesn't finance the sequels...)
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Post by: Adrock on January 19, 2009, 06:32:39 PM
Not absolutely terrible but not terribly great either if I remember correctly, but then again, Eternal Darkness didn't do too hot and SK is still considering a sequel. So I don't think sales are really stopping Dyack and co. He seems more a storyteller at heart so he'll probably find a way finish Too Human with or without Microsoft.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 19, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
So I don't think sales are really stopping Dyack and co. He seems more a storyteller at heart so he'll probably find a way finish Too Human with or without Microsoft.

Well who exactly owns the rights on Too Human?  Because I know Ninty owns Eternal Darkness, so if SK wanted to do a sequel they'd have to get Ninty's permission first...
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 19, 2009, 06:40:17 PM
If I recall correctly TH started out as a PSone game. Then, while working on ED for the N64 they decided to move it and TH to the GC. It was apparently going to be the next SK game on the system. Then after they stopped making games for Nintendo TH was moved to the 360 and was released in 2008. So assuming development and planning started in 1997-98 it did take around 10 years to complete.
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Post by: Adrock on January 19, 2009, 07:05:12 PM
I guess it really depends on how you define 10 years because there are several gaps in development, not to mention how many times Silicon Knights restarted development. A simple google search yields a very different Too Human on PS1, notably no Norse Mythology whatsoever. The gravity concept in Super Mario Galaxy dates back to Spaceworld 2000 at the earliest, do we consider it taking almost 10 years to complete?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 19, 2009, 07:18:03 PM
"The gravity concept in Super Mario Galaxy dates back to Spaceworld 2000 at the earliest, do we consider it taking almost 10 years to complete?"

In Galaxy's case, I wouldn't.  The concept was there, but I won't agree there was an end-product in mind.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 20, 2009, 01:32:15 AM
As much as I enjoyed Eternal Darkness, I really don't want another game from Dyack until he changes his attitude.
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Post by: Halbred on January 20, 2009, 02:01:56 AM
UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOR

Nintendo's first-party Wii software lineup will be worthwhile in 2009.

Heard it here first.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2009, 02:09:44 AM
Definitely not happening.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 20, 2009, 02:12:24 AM
Wow I see that the new director's leadership has taken hold of one of his followers. I'm kidding.Or am I?
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Post by: Mop it up on January 20, 2009, 02:14:22 AM
UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOR

Nintendo's first-party Wii software lineup will be worthwhile in 2009.

Heard it here first.
Eh, it can't be any more disappointing than 2008.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 20, 2009, 04:02:00 AM
2008 was a weak year because Nintendo shot its load early in 2007, because otherwise people would have been bitching that 2007 was a weak year and that would be really bad because that was the critical first year of the console's life where everything mattered. By 2008 Nintendo didn't really have anything else in the pipeline, but it didn't matter so much since old games like Wii Play and Mario and so forth are still MEGA sellers.

But yeah, I have to agree with Halbred that 2009 is going to be much better. This is probably also going to be the year where quality 3rd party support finally shows up in full force.
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Post by: Stogi on January 20, 2009, 09:59:35 AM
Um, I don't consider MarioKart, Brawl, and WiiFit "weak"
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 20, 2009, 10:04:47 AM
Um, I don't consider MarioKart, Brawl, and WiiFit "weak"

Also not weak: Wario Land.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 20, 2009, 12:26:01 PM
Neither "No More Heroes", "de Blob". "Boom Blox" and "Samba de Amigo", among others.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2009, 12:33:49 PM
Neither "No More Heroes", "de Blob". "Boom Blox" and "Samba de Amigo", among others.

"First-party"...
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Post by: Tanookisuit on January 20, 2009, 12:48:06 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure where this attitude of a weak 2008 comes from.  Maybe a disappointing holiday season, but we got Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing which I'm really enjoying), Wii Fit, and Warioland.  Hmm... what's the problem?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2009, 12:59:40 PM
They're making up for their low Hatorade(R) quota in the first half of the year.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 20, 2009, 01:09:32 PM
Neither "No More Heroes", "de Blob". "Boom Blox" and "Samba de Amigo", among others.

"First-party"...

Last I heard, they were part of the Wii lineup of games, and have received far more nods than Nintendo's own efforts.

Regarding the weak 2008 attitudes, here's how it might happened...
At E3 2008 everyone expected Nintendo reveal its hot holiday lineup. The rumors of a new Punch-Out and Kid Icarus fueled this even more. Everyone was geared up for an amazing Holiday season...if the rumors were to be believed of course.

But once the conference confirmed that nothing more would be released outside of Animal Crossing and Wii Music THAT'S where the weak 2008 lineup belief was born. The impression was so deep that even when solid games were released the idea still persisted, Game Trailers going as far as to say that the future looked bleaked for Wii owners (this was before the Fall conference, though).

Also, I think players are talking about how the other consoles had these mega hyped killer apps, and Nintendo had none.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 20, 2009, 03:13:58 PM
I think it might just be short memory, when people think about 2008 they think about the last few months.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2009, 03:20:07 PM
Last I heard, they were part of the Wii lineup of games, and have received far more nods than Nintendo's own efforts.

Hey, I personally enjoyed 2008...I was just saying that in the context of the posts before, where Halbred mentioned the "rumour" of 2009 having a better first-party line-up... =)
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Post by: Mop it up on January 20, 2009, 05:16:51 PM
For me, Nintendo's 2008 lineup was decent overall. It started with disappointment (SSBBrawl), but then it got a lot better (Mario Kart Wii), although after that it was either "meh" or things which didn't interest me. As such, I'm sure there will be at least one gem released by Nintendo in 2009, I just don't know what that is yet.
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Post by: Kairon on January 20, 2009, 05:28:05 PM
I think that Nintendo's emphasis on revealing new titles at their fall conference is really making them look weak to pundits earlier on in the year, especially with the weight that so many still attribute to E3.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2009, 05:50:58 PM
As such, I'm sure there will be at least one gem released by Nintendo in 2009, I just don't know what that is yet.

So far we know of two...(Another Code R and Sin & Punishment 2) :cool;
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 20, 2009, 06:05:42 PM
Trace Memory 2
Punch Out Wii
Sin & Punishment 2
Another Code R---or is this Trace Memory 2???
Wii Sports Resort

I count 4 or 5 gems.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2009, 06:13:56 PM
Another Code and Trace Memory are the same game, yeah...
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
Don't forget Trace Code and Another Memory.

Plus Sports & Punishment 2, and Punch Resort R.
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Post by: Stogi on January 20, 2009, 07:06:53 PM
Poor poor Conduit.....
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 20, 2009, 07:12:16 PM
Is Sin and Punishment 2 being developed by Treasure?
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Post by: EasyCure on January 20, 2009, 07:15:42 PM
Don't forget Trace Code and Another Memory.

Plus Sports & Punishment 2, and Punch Resort R.

Punch Resort doesn't sound like a fun place to stay...
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Post by: Stogi on January 20, 2009, 07:22:04 PM
Isn't Endless Ocean 2 coming this year?
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 20, 2009, 07:25:54 PM
Isn't Endless Ocean 2 coming this year?

It looks like it. It doesn't look like the type of series that needs deep localization.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 20, 2009, 07:26:50 PM
Isn't Endless Ocean 2 coming this year?

It looks like it. It doesn't look like the type of series that needs deep localization.

There is quite a bit of text in Endless Ocean though, the fish descriptions for one, along with the various story elements.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2009, 07:32:50 PM
Poor poor Conduit.....

Not first-party...

Is Sin and Punishment 2 being developed by Treasure?

Yep, but it's a Ninty franchise, so in it goes!

Isn't Endless Ocean 2 coming this year?

Most likely, but a localization hasn't been officially announced or shown in English form...
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Post by: Mop it up on January 21, 2009, 01:58:31 AM
Trace Memory 2
Haven't heard of this before, maybe I'll look into it.

Punch-Out!! Wii
I own both of the Punch-Out!! games but I've no idea why. The game is sort of like a cross between a fighter and a puzzle game, since each opponent has some sort of trick(s) to beating them, but I don't like fighters and that aspect really turns me off. I didn't really like Mario Strikers either, another series developed by the same company.

Sin & Punishment 2
I'm not really into shoot-em-ups. I kicked some broomsticks in Contra back in the day but that was about the only shooter I've liked. Gradius and R-Type just aren't my thing. I'll still probably watch over this though as it's a sequel to an N64 game, and N64 > mops. And I love mops.

Wii Sports Resort
I don't know much about this but it seems a bit unimaginative, like it has the Wii Sports name just to sell it. I also couldn't possibly express how much I despise the Wii Motion+ accessory, at least not without being seen as a huge troll.

Endless Ocean 2
The first one was magical... and I actually forgot that it was released in 2008. That was a good game to start the year with. I'll be watching to see how this turns out (and if it's released outside Japan).

New Play Control! Pikmin
I rented this back in the day just to get the Olimar trophy in SSBMelee, so I never played past the first save point. Does that make me a bad person? If so, it's time I remedy that by giving the game another chance. Having Wii controls may make the game better... but I guess I won't know that as I have no comparison...

New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis
I skipped over the original because it doesn't have Toad and Birdo as playable characters. Yes really. I wouldn't mind having a good Tennis game on Wii though so I'm going to see how this one turns out.

That's all I've heard of from Nintendo for 2009. The year just started so there's probably something else on the way which hasn't been announced yet. Still, I can't tell what a gem is until I've played it; the game of 2008 I thought I'd like was the game I despised, and the one I'd thought I would dislike is the one I became enamoured with. I'm just going to wait and see.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 21, 2009, 02:30:37 AM
Trace Memory 2
Haven't heard of this before, maybe I'll look into it.

It's the sequel to a very good DS adventure point-and-click...Definitely play it first, then Hotel Dusk if you haven't already...The sequel seems to take from both games...

Sin & Punishment 2
I'm not really into shoot-em-ups. I kicked some broomsticks in Contra back in the day but that was about the only shooter I've liked. Gradius and R-Type just aren't my thing. I'll still probably watch over this though as it's a sequel to an N64 game, and N64 > mops.

Sin & Punishment is more comparable to Contra than either Gradius or R-Type...I do recommend giving Sin & Punishment on the VC a try if you are willing to risk 10 bucks...
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Post by: Mop it up on January 21, 2009, 02:44:36 AM
I just recently got a DS so I'll look into Trace Memory and Hotel Dusk. I enjoyed Shadowgate and Uninvited on the NES, so if they're anything like that then they're probably for me.

As for Sin & Punishment: I can't bring myself to pay for a download, so it's more like a $30 gamble for the original cartridge. But I could always sell that cartridge if I didn't like the game. I've actually considered buying it off eBay numerous times now but always ended up bidding on something else.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 21, 2009, 04:19:43 AM
Talking about games for 2009... DYNAMIC SLASH!
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Post by: decoyman on January 21, 2009, 09:56:19 AM
Nintendo missed a huge opportunity this holiday season.

But for reasons unknown, Ninty has apparently decided to NEVER release Disaster: Day of Crisis over here. Could've filled the gap really nicely. I know I would've been all over it, as would any gamer in search of a "core" sort of gaming experience.
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Post by: Chiller on January 21, 2009, 12:51:15 PM
I just recently got a DS so I'll look into Trace Memory and Hotel Dusk. I enjoyed Shadowgate and Uninvited on the NES, so if they're anything like that then they're probably for me.
Hotel Dusk and Trace Memory aren't quite the same as the older point/click games (they have a different feel and style), but as someone who enjoyed Shadowgate and Uninvited (and even Deja Vu), I would say that they are worth checking out.
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Post by: vudu on January 21, 2009, 02:29:42 PM
Skip Trace Memory and go straight for Hotel Dusk.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 21, 2009, 03:37:33 PM
Skip Trace Memory and go straight for Hotel Dusk.

No...ESPECIALLY if you are interested in the Wii sequel...
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 22, 2009, 01:56:07 AM
Spanish Nintendo magazine “Nintendo Acción” (Nintendo Action) has said they will reveal a new game in the next issue. The picture that was given as the hint is the one above. They say, in the scan, that the game will be two great figures coming together once more.

The obvious? Sonic and Mario. So we solved the mystery, do we get prize bubbles now?

Rough translation: “Who are these two and why do they come to see each other? Find out all the details on the mystery game in the next magazine. But before that, here are some clues: Games, Olympics, Cold, Its winter…”
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Post by: Mop it up on January 22, 2009, 02:00:55 AM
That isn't a mystery at all. You can piece that together using words from the article:
Mario and Sonic at the Winter Olympics.

I almost hope it isn't true...
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Post by: Stogi on January 22, 2009, 02:05:34 AM
Actually, Winter Olympics is much better suited to take advantage of the Wii. Hopefully, seeing the success of the original, Miyamoto will have some sort of involvement.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 22, 2009, 02:31:45 AM
Yes, the original game was a rock solid and fun title.

Winter Olympics does make sense. In fact, I see Sega using the balance for the skiing and snowboarding events. Again, it makes sense.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 22, 2009, 02:53:52 AM
It seems a bit early to reveal that game though. Aren't the winter Olympics almost two years away?

If it is true, I just hope they include Toad and Birdo this time around. Otherwise I'll probably be passing on this sequel as I did the original.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 22, 2009, 05:59:25 AM
I wonder if they'll take the logical next step and add Mario & Sonic in California Games... (olympics titles were pretty popular on the C64, California Games was apparently the best of them)
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 22, 2009, 11:54:09 AM
It seems a bit early to reveal that game though. Aren't the winter Olympics almost two years away?

Just over a year from now...
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2009, 01:07:04 PM
If Mario & Sonic at the Winter Olympics lets me play Curling as Waluigi I'm going to preorder it next time I go to GameStop.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2009, 02:00:06 PM
They would hsve to release the game some time before the Olympics just like before.
They gotta get as many sales as possible from the hype of the game itself, and then get a second boost riding on the wind of the actual Olympics.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 22, 2009, 02:04:29 PM
Yep that helped with the sales of the first one B&M.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 22, 2009, 02:10:18 PM
Hmmm...I wonder if the hype will be there for the game?

The first game had a lot of hype mainly because it was the first time Mario and Sonic appeared in the same game together. But now that both it and Brawl and out the idea of Mario and Sonic together is not so surreal.

...Then again, the game had great word of mouth, one that propelled it to great sales even after the hype died. So who knows...
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 22, 2009, 05:24:55 PM
Guys... I don't know about you, but I think the Mario-Sonic teaming up was way too long in coming for it to just be limited to Olympic games. I never played Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, but while I'm sure it is great for what it is, its not the sort of Mario & Sonic game that SHOULD be made. I'm thinking something along the lines of an RPG, ala Super Mario RPG where Square and Nintendo worked together on that. It was one of the greatest games of all time. So I'm sure a Mario-Sonic RPG would also kick some serious ass.

Or maybe they could team up in one of their traditional platform genre games? I imagine a game where sometimes you need Mario's jumping abilities and sometimes you need Sonic's speed, and the two of them have to work together to overcome obstacles or to battle foes. Maybe they could also have Luigi and other sidekicks come along as well? But this is something I would like to see.

Mario & Sonic as an Olympics game was great the first time around, but for God's sake let the next Mario & Sonic game be something different...
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Post by: Adrock on January 22, 2009, 06:11:29 PM
I was thinking the same thing when I read the Winter Olympics rumor. It'd undoubtedly have to be developed by Nintendo or a team Miyamoto hand picks since Sonic Team is all "Meh, Sonic." Here's the main issue though...

Sonic: FAST!!!!!11
Mario: Not as fast.

How do you design a crossover game with 2 completely different characters without designating specific Mario-only or Sonic-only levels? It not as simple as something like Super Mario Bros. 2. You can speed Mario up but there needs to be some balance. Maybe he gets tired or if you're Sonic you can run too fast and leave Mario behind but he's gone for the rest of the level. At the same time, Sonic can't jump as high or far as Mario. For this game to work, players have to enjoy playing as each equally as much and the levels need to play on each character's strengths and weaknesses. I can just imagine both characters running through levels together similar to Sonic and Tails or DK and Diddy and they could switch on the fly or perform team up moves.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 22, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
DS game, Sonic levels on the top screen and Mario on the bottom. Sonic has to run through a loop de loop, mario jumps a pit.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 22, 2009, 09:17:29 PM
I suppose the original Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games was released about nine months before the summer Olympics, so maybe this winter Olympics one will be released over the summer if the rumours are true. Need a break from the heat of summers? Think cold thoughts and participate in winters sports!
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Post by: Mario on January 22, 2009, 09:23:10 PM
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I never played Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, but while I'm sure it is great for what it is, its not the sort of Mario & Sonic game that SHOULD be made. I'm thinking something along the lines of an RPG, ala Super Mario RPG where Square and Nintendo worked together on that.
Completely disagree, an RPG would be boring and go against the main theme Mario and Sonic share which is fun gameplay, which Masatog delivers in spades.
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Post by: Kairon on January 22, 2009, 10:09:35 PM
I'd think that the Winter Olympics would be more fun anyways to begin with.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 22, 2009, 10:11:26 PM
Balance Board Ski & Zap

Downhill Duckhunt

The House of the Snow

Grand Theft Bobsled
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 23, 2009, 03:13:51 AM
How do you design a crossover game with 2 completely different characters without designating specific Mario-only or Sonic-only levels?

I'm sure they could think of something. Maybe you can only play one of them at a time, but then you can tag the other one whenever you want to switch to them? Remember when Nintendo Introduced Yoshi? Yoshi wasn't a character you began the game with or always had, but iirc, you would hit a block and he would grow out of an egg (I could be wrong, because its been awhile since i played it). But anyway, my point is maybe there could Mario or Sonic blocks which you could hit to switch to the other character.... and maybe even Luigi, Peach, Knuckles, etc. blocks as well...

Alternatively, they could have the characters lug around a briefcase or something and then shove the other character inside when not in use. Or Mario could hide Sonic inside of his hat, or Sonic could wrap himself around Mario whenever he curls up... *shrug* I don't know, but if Miyamoto was behind it you could be sure he could think of some way to make it work.

I also think it would be cool if they each gained different abilities when they have the other partner in their shadow. For example, if Mario had Sonic hidden in his hat that could give him spikes that would allow him to kill enemies or stick to ceilings or something; and if Mario was wrapped up inside Sonic that could give Sonic the ability to jump in addition to the speed. And if they throw in other characters then they could add their abilities to the table as well, such as Peach's ability to float, and etc.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 23, 2009, 05:52:54 AM
Doesn't Sega already regularly use multiple characters in the Sonic games? Didn't people get angry over it?
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Post by: decoyman on January 23, 2009, 08:22:44 AM
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Alternatively, they could have the characters lug around a briefcase or something and then shove the other character inside when not in use.

lol didn't Killer 7 already do this?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 23, 2009, 11:45:12 AM
I would love for Nintendo to ask Sega if they could develop a Mario and Sonic crossover platform game...and then Nintendo puts a premiere development team on it and creates the BEST 3D sonic game with a great sense of speed, camera angle and the game feels like sonic.

That too me would be the ultimate Nintendo does what Sega...don't? 

Which is why Sega would never allow that to happen.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on January 23, 2009, 12:39:41 PM
I would love for Nintendo to ask Sega if they could develop a Mario and Sonic crossover platform game...and then Nintendo puts a premiere development team on it and creates the BEST 3D sonic game with a great sense of speed, camera angle and the game feels like sonic.

That too me would be the ultimate Nintendo does what Sega...don't? 

Which is why Sega would never allow that to happen.

Well Nintendo already showed that they could in Mario Galaxy.  The parts where you become Rainbow Mario have Mario moving quite fast and when he jumps he does a summersault similar to Sonic.  Not to mention did it all with an amazing camera system as well.

If Nintendo were to have a Mario and Sonic crossover, I'd imagine Sonic would control just like Rainbow Mario, except faster.  Which would make him Rainbow Luigi then.  ;D

This is why a Nintendo Mario and Sonic game developed by Tokyo EAD would work out great.  Mario could remain the same as he is in Mario Galaxy, while Sonic would play like the Rainbow powerups, except with different moves to seperate the characters.  This way they'd be able to play the same levels, except their different moves would allow them to reach different area's in the level.  It would end up similar to Sonic 3 where Tails and Knuckles can both access area's that Sonic can't.

And since it'd be developed by Tokyo EAD, you know they'd be able to design each level in a way so that they take advantage of both characters strengths and weaknesses.  In other words, you'll have fun playing through the game as both Mario and Sonic.


Of course, the only people allowed to develop this game are Tokyo EAD and ONLY Tokyo EAD.  Iwata should give an order to security that any Sega or Sonic Team members that come anywhere within 500 feet of the studio are to be shot at sight, no questions asked.
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Post by: IceCold on January 24, 2009, 03:51:21 AM
They could do an amazing 2D Sonic game too if they wanted to - see Jungle Beat.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 28, 2009, 09:32:22 PM
Boy and Blob heading to Wii? (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=70855)
I remember playing A Boy his Blob on the Nes.I enjoyed it.There was a DS title in works but nothing materialized.Will this Wii come to fruitition? Only time will tell.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 05, 2009, 01:18:34 AM
Gaming Target has recently heard from a video game industry analyst (who wishes to remain nameless) that Fatal Frame IV is coming to America in 2009, but it may not be released as "Fatal Frame IV."Why any publisher would throw away the cult of popularity the series has gained over the years is questionable, but the desire to start fresh, and make Fatal Frame more than a cult series, could be the impetus behind that decision.
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Post by: Ghisy on February 05, 2009, 01:33:00 PM
I honestly couldn't care less about them dropping the "Fatal Frame" name.
I'm just hoping it's gonna be released in the US, that's all I'm asking for.
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Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2009, 06:28:58 PM
Instead of worrying about the name, they should be trying to figure out how to make the game not control like a tank that's inside of a larger tank.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 05, 2009, 06:42:37 PM
So it controls like RE5? Zing!
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Post by: Mop it up on February 05, 2009, 07:25:21 PM
Boy and Blob heading to Wii? (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=70855)
I remember playing A Boy his Blob on the Nes.I enjoyed it.
I own that game but never could figure out what the hell you're supposed to do in it. There's too much trial and error in it for me as you have to keep giving each type of jelly bean to the blob to figure out what they all do and how to use them. Add to that the limited amount of beans, and, well, I don't have the patience for a game like that anymore.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 05, 2009, 07:47:48 PM
Instead of worrying about the name, they should be trying to figure out how to make the game not control like a tank that's inside of a larger tank.

Plus fix all the bugs and glitches that are said to have really hurt the Japanese version.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 26, 2009, 12:15:29 PM
Rumor: Climax working on Silent Hill remake for Wii

VG247 understands that UK developer Climax is working on a Wii remake of an the first Silent Hill.

Konami has declined to comment on the talk.

Few specifics are known as yet, but apparently motion control’s been included for torch functions.

The first Silent Hill, designed by Keiichiro Toyama, was released for PlayStation in 1999.

Climax is working on two Konami games, as shown on the firm’s website. The remake is the Wii and PSP project you can see there.

A 360 and PS3 game is also in the works for Konami, but this is an “original ground breaking next-gen game,” according to a Climax job posting.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 26, 2009, 12:54:55 PM
"“original ground breaking next-gen game,”

MGS5?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 07, 2009, 04:02:07 PM
Not sure if you guys have been following it but there is supposedly an upcoming announcement of another RE game for Wii owners. .

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/06/wiis-resident-evil-fans-will-be-very-happy-very-soon-says-ca/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/06/wiis-resident-evil-fans-will-be-very-happy-very-soon-says-ca/)
Now for the rumors!!

Rumor has it that this announcement will likely one of two things:
1.) RE2 Wiimake w/ RE4 controls
or
2.) RE:CV Wiimake (w/ RE4 controls?)

some are still holding their breath for a RE5 down port w/ upgraded controls (which Capcom pretty much says isn't happening)
others happen to think it is a RE:UC2 (using scenes from CV, 4 & 5?).

Looks like the announcement should be made official on or around the 14th of March, so we probably won't know until then.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 07, 2009, 04:18:22 PM
CapcomWorldReport.com sez Umbrella Chronicles 2: Waggle Shooter.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 07, 2009, 04:50:21 PM
Whatever happens, I am not holding my breath for something amazing. The main thing I am expecting is a port/remake simply because Capcom is notorious for that.

It would be a shame if it turned out to be UC 2. Not because the game was bad. In fact it was awesome. But after the Dead Space Extraction fiasco it doesn't matter if the game finally adds the missing chapters, balances the gameplay and polished the engine, everyone would be whining over it being an on-rails shooter.
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Post by: Stogi on March 07, 2009, 05:00:51 PM
I hope there's zombies in it...
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 08, 2009, 07:14:46 AM
Well to add to this at the launch of RE5 there will be an announcement.
Here are the details (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=74969)
Rough summary:
At the Gamestop in San Francisco on Powell street there will be a launch party with New game announcements.
The only personon here that I know on here that lives close to there is Pro.I doubt he will go though.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 08, 2009, 07:03:09 PM
ahahahaha for RE5 wank party and some obscure press release in SF?  Not a chance.

I'm in Sac Valley while Berto2k is equally far from SF down in Silicon Valley.  Probalby no one other than us, PGC is so niche.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 08, 2009, 07:08:17 PM
Well to add to this at the launch of RE5 there will be an announcement.
Here are the details (http://Http://gonintendo.com/?p=74969)
Rough summary:
At the Gamestop in San Francisco on Powell street there will be a launch party with New game announcements.
The only personon here that I know on here that lives close to there is Pro.I doubt he will go though.

i live abut 30minutes from SF, but I'm not going out there for a game announcement when I will find it on the internet moments after its said just like you will.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 08, 2009, 07:15:58 PM
I thought Kairon was in Northen California as well?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 08, 2009, 07:17:40 PM
I thought he was in Fremont, which is like, Arizona.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 08, 2009, 07:22:45 PM
Fremont is 20-25 (freeway)minutes from Oakland, which is just over the Bay Bridge from S.F.

But unless they are giving away free stuff, then I don't see the point of driving out there ($5 bridge toll) if you are not looking for an exclusive interview or something. Who is making the announcement?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 08, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
If it was a good announcement, they could've been smart and announce it at least a month before RE5's launch to muddle the fanfare like RE4-ps2.
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Post by: Stratos on March 08, 2009, 07:41:18 PM
I honestly couldn't care less about them dropping the "Fatal Frame" name.
I'm just hoping it's gonna be released in the US, that's all I'm asking for.

They could just be dropping the 'IV' part of the title. Similar to how 4 got dropped from Tenchu: Shadow Assassin.

If I didn't have important plans the day and night before and gas was still at 1990's level I'd road-trip it from Portland. 12th is the day I contest my traffic ticket and that night is freakin' Wi-Fi night. Can't miss that for the world.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 14, 2009, 11:32:01 AM
Take this rumor with  whole lot of salt! (http://Http://vgeutopia.com/linkandpitatgdc09)

So this rumor suggests that 3(technically 4) characters will be at GDC 09 which takes place March 23rd-27th.

I don't think I'm going to believe  rumors leading up to shows like GDC or E3.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 14, 2009, 12:26:15 PM
Ahh Ice Climbers, one Nintendo published game revealed by the esrb except as Rock N Roll Climber.

Quote from: esrb

Rock N’ Roll Climber

Platform: Wii

Rating: Everyone

Content descriptors: No Descriptors

Rating summary: This is a rock climbing game in which players must climb up various formations within a time limit. Players navigate rocks and walls by grabbing onto divots and edges and positioning themselves to ensure they do not fall off.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 14, 2009, 12:35:07 PM
Ahh Ice Climbers, one Nintendo published game revealed by the esrb except as Rock N Roll Climber.

Quote from: esrb

Rock N’ Roll Climber

Platform: Wii

Rating: Everyone

Content descriptors: No Descriptors

Rating summary: This is a rock climbing game in which players must climb up various formations within a time limit. Players navigate rocks and walls by grabbing onto divots and edges and positioning themselves to ensure they do not fall off.
With a name like Rock N' Roll Climber it could be a Mega Man climbing game.
In all seriousness yeah that ESRB discription could be for a Ice Climber game.I'm going to wait till GDC to see if this is true or not.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 14, 2009, 01:41:30 PM
Just looked it up and that is a rating for a Wiiware game. I didn't see any screenshots or videos of it.So it is best to wait till GDC.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 14, 2009, 08:28:05 PM
If its indeed a Nintendo title then this might be the first time in a few months that Nintendo has released a first party Wii Ware title.

And yes, that rumor about those Nintendo franchises returning SHOULD be taken with a GIANT grain of salt. The rumor just sounds like a fanboy's wet dream come true, and Nintendo isn't that eager to please (in the past maybe, but not today).
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Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2009, 01:50:57 AM
Just looked it up and that is a rating for a Wiiware game. I didn't see any screenshots or videos of it.So it is best to wait till GDC.

http://www.wiiware-world.com/news/2009/03/rock_n_roll_climber_coming_to_wiiware

It's a legit game being made by Giles Goddard. Name ring a bell? The guy was a developer on Super Mario 64 and the studio, Vitei,  is the team behind 1080 and Doshin the Giant.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2009, 01:59:17 AM
Did we ever hear more of the rumor that Bioshock was coming to the Wii?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 15, 2009, 02:04:11 AM
Stratos I know it is a legit game. I was more or less responding to Flames as if it was a Ice Climbers game.
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Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2009, 02:17:55 AM
Stratos I know it is a legit game. I was more or less responding to Flames as if it was a Ice Climbers game.

You mean you were joking? Oh, sorry I missed that.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 15, 2009, 02:33:30 AM
Look the rumor I posted on the previous page stated that the Ice Climbers and a few others would be shown at GDC. I said that stuff about videos and screenshots because aside from the ESRB rating there wasn't any pictures of who the protaginists are so I'm not sure if this Rock N Roll Climbing will star the Ice Climbers!
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Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2009, 02:35:07 AM
Oh, I understand. Took a minute, I'm a little slow right now, headache.  :P
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 15, 2009, 02:40:48 AM
Don't worry about it.:)
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Post by: Kairon on March 15, 2009, 02:54:54 AM
Did we ever hear more of the rumor that Bioshock was coming to the Wii?

What rumor? Oh, you mean as a rail shooter?
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 15, 2009, 03:03:43 AM
Did we ever hear more of the rumor that Bioshock was coming to the Wii?

What rumor? Oh, you mean as a rail shooter?

WHOOOAH! BLEEDING EDGE OF COMEDY PEOPLE! XD
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Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2009, 03:15:58 AM
Did we ever hear more of the rumor that Bioshock was coming to the Wii?

What rumor? Oh, you mean as a rail shooter?

Yeah, that seems to be about it on the Wii horizon. Though I did find some compelling arguments from a technical standpoint that the Wii could graphically handle Bioshock sans the high rendered textures. The Wii's tested specs fit within the range of the minimum PC requirements for Bioshock.
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Post by: broodwars on March 15, 2009, 01:37:59 PM
Did we ever hear more of the rumor that Bioshock was coming to the Wii?

What rumor? Oh, you mean as a rail shooter?

Yeah, that seems to be about it on the Wii horizon. Though I did find some compelling arguments from a technical standpoint that the Wii could graphically handle Bioshock sans the high rendered textures. The Wii's tested specs fit within the range of the minimum PC requirements for Bioshock.

I've played Bioshock on a PC meeting the minimum requirements, and trust me...you don't want to see what that looks or plays like.  We'd be better off seeing them make a whole new Bioshock or Bioshock-type game ground-up on Wii.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 15, 2009, 04:26:01 PM
Did we ever hear more of the rumor that Bioshock was coming to the Wii?

What rumor? Oh, you mean as a rail shooter?

The rumor popped up because 2K Boston, 2K Australia and 2K Marin are looking for developers who have Wii,PS3,X360 experience.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 15, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
I've played Bioshock on a PC meeting the minimum requirements, and trust me...you don't want to see what that looks or plays like.  We'd be better off seeing them make a whole new Bioshock or Bioshock-type game ground-up on Wii.

It looks good enough, the trouble is that the framerate is in the single digits and you need some precision aiming in combat.
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Post by: broodwars on March 15, 2009, 05:40:22 PM
I've played Bioshock on a PC meeting the minimum requirements, and trust me...you don't want to see what that looks or plays like.  We'd be better off seeing them make a whole new Bioshock or Bioshock-type game ground-up on Wii.

It looks good enough, the trouble is that the framerate is in the single digits and you need some precision aiming in combat.

Yeah, the framerate is what I was really getting at.  You fire off a round of any weapon when the screen has 2 or more enemies, the screen pauses, and 2-3 seconds later you find out if you hit anything.  Yeah, that made massive firefights REAL fun...
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 27, 2009, 02:58:28 AM
A new Ubisoft rumor says that Beyond Good and Evil 2 might see release on Wii after all (http://gonintendo.com/?p=76975)

Michel Ancel mentions that no console was mentioned when the game debuted and to not rule out the Wii just yet.

New Play Control: Beyond Good and Evil. That's what we are getting instead.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2009, 03:23:07 AM
They better not cheap out and throw us a NPC.
BG&E & Psychonauts should get a Wiimake if anything and after the success that would be seen, it would be stupid to not bring the sequel to the Wii. *coughcoughRE5coughcough*
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 27, 2009, 07:27:20 AM
NPC games are fine as long as they supplement new games, but if that's all we get then that is absolutely not fine.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2009, 11:07:51 PM
Quote from:  Matt Cassamassina - IGN
During the show, there were all sorts of companies showing off Wii MotionPlus, from AiLive to countless developers, all fascinated by the device. No major revelations about the technology itself, but one interesting tidbit did come up a couple times. Namely, that MotionPlus might ship infused inside of a jacket and cannot be removed. A perma-Wii remote condom, if you will. Bad news if you hate the Wii rubber because, if true, you will have to use one if you want to play games with MotionPlus, plain and simple. Although I have never been a fan of the controller jackets, I can see the logic. Novice gamers, flailing around wildly as they try to play tennis, have already demonstrated that they can't be trusted in close proximity to TVs and walls. If Nintendo adds in yet another detachable component into the equation, these same players might accidentally blow themselves up.

Sounds like  good idea to me. no need to redistribute 50 million more extended Wiimote condoms for free.
might as well pack it in & attach it for good.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 28, 2009, 12:29:19 AM
Wouldn't it be possible to cut the device out of its condom and still be able to use it?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 28, 2009, 12:43:42 AM
Depends on how they attach the M+ to the condom.
What if the M+ is held on by the condom.
What if the M+ isn't encased in plastic and then the condom, but just the condom

But either way, it doesn't bother me at all if it is attached like that.
the only real issue would be future peripherals wouldn't be able to use M+
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 28, 2009, 12:55:41 AM
I think it's wrong for Lotion Puss to be embedded in condoms.

IT MUST BE SET FREE
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 28, 2009, 01:29:07 AM
I wonder if M+ will be compatible with Nyko's unauthorized controller and/or accessories. If not, I wonder if they'll just make their own alternative.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2009, 03:47:25 AM
What if that was just a way to prevent journalists from taking one of the devices home...
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 28, 2009, 06:38:16 AM
What if that was just a way to prevent journalists from taking one of the devices home...

Yeah, that very well could be, but knowing Nintendo this probably is how it will be. After all, Nintendo is the company that forces us to view a safety warning message EACH AND EVERY single time we start the console up and then again when we start a game. I know these messages aren't up for long, but they are damn annoying, and having to put up with them all the time pisses me off. But anyway, Nintendo seems to be very obsessed with safety (probably to avoid getting sued when people get hurt for swinging their remotes around like mad), so forcing consumers to have a protective skin on their controllers seems like something they would do.

What would suck about this for me is I already spent a good deal of money buying colored silicon skins for my controllers, aand those will be a waste if I have to get another new skin with M+ embedded in it.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2009, 08:18:16 AM
Well, games published by MS on the 360 have a LOOOOOOOOONG epilepsy warning screen on startup, too...
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 28, 2009, 02:00:45 PM
What if that was just a way to prevent journalists from taking one of the devices home...

Yeah, that very well could be, but knowing Nintendo this probably is how it will be. After all, Nintendo is the company that forces us to view a safety warning message EACH AND EVERY single time we start the console up and then again when we start a game. I know these messages aren't up for long, but they are damn annoying, and having to put up with them all the time pisses me off. But anyway, Nintendo seems to be very obsessed with safety (probably to avoid getting sued when people get hurt for swinging their remotes around like mad), so forcing consumers to have a protective skin on their controllers seems like something they would do.

What would suck about this for me is I already spent a good deal of money buying colored silicon skins for my controllers, aand those will be a waste if I have to get another new skin with M+ embedded in it.

In my honest opinion, now that Nintendo is famous among non gamers they can't afford to mess up and give crazy people the upper hand.

I mean, look at the nutjob who claimed that Animal Crossing shouldn't be played by adults. If the game didn't have strict security measures his claim might have been listened.

At the very least, if people claimed that they got hurt playing Wii Nintendo can say "we warned you again, again and again".
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Post by: Mop it up on March 28, 2009, 04:35:21 PM
Aren't those warning messages the result of a lawsuit to begin with? Some kid had an epileptic seizure whilst playing a Nintendo game and the kid's father tried to sue Nintendo claiming that there should be more warnings. Placing a warning message at startup was a part of the settlement, I believe...
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 28, 2009, 05:00:51 PM
Aren't those warning messages the result of a lawsuit to begin with? Some kid had an epileptic seizure whilst playing a Nintendo game and the kid's father tried to sue Nintendo claiming that there should be more warnings. Placing a warning message at startup was a part of the settlement, I believe...

I am not 100% sure, but that definitely seems to be the case.

Nintendo, like many companies, can't afford to be in court every time someone gets in an accident using their products.

While to us these measures might be extreme note that not everyone has the capacity to be safe and  careful, especially with physical activity. So that's why when playing Wii Fit the game warns you to take a break or to lean onto something if you are losing balance, because then if someone sues Nintendo under the belief that they weren't warned, Nintendo can say "Oh yes we did".
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 29, 2009, 08:08:13 AM
That is well and good, but it would be nice if there were a way you could disable those warnings. I've already viewed/read them so there's no point in me being harassed by them every time I want to load up a quick game.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on March 29, 2009, 09:40:59 AM
Aren't those warning messages the result of a lawsuit to begin with? Some kid had an epileptic seizure whilst playing a Nintendo game and the kid's father tried to sue Nintendo claiming that there should be more warnings. Placing a warning message at startup was a part of the settlement, I believe...

Yup, I noticed that Sony has been starting to doing a similar type of message at start up and PS1 games available on PSN and some PS3 games have them.
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Post by: Deguello on March 29, 2009, 01:03:29 PM
The case in question was a rather interesting mix of a mentally retarded, epileptic child who couldn't read very well and his mother who bought a GC game for him, and apparently didn't read the warnings on the back of the box and on the first page of the manual.  But this pre-game warning is specifically to deal with the possibility of somebody buying a used game without the box or booklet.  now they are basically lawsuit-proof on this issue.
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 30, 2009, 10:58:49 AM
The case in question was a rather interesting mix of a mentally retarded, epileptic child who couldn't read very well and his mother who bought a GC game for him, and apparently didn't read the warnings on the back of the box and on the first page of the manual.  But this pre-game warning is specifically to deal with the possibility of somebody buying a used game without the box or booklet.  now they are basically lawsuit-proof on this issue.
I thought it had to do with one of the original openings for the Pokemon anime in Japan.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2009, 02:16:29 PM
I thought it had to do with one of the original openings for the Pokemon anime in Japan.
Thats what I remember too. Nintendo just preemptively placed all those warning before everything to make sure they were covered on all angles.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 30, 2009, 03:01:25 PM
The warnings started to come in majorly after the Yoshi Story Trial, where nintendo lost I believe. During our Gamecube days, some kid had seizures while playing Yoshis story, i'll never forget it.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2009, 03:26:53 PM
Was it 2003 we started seeing games shipped with the A-button Epilseippseilsy warnings?

I feel like they've disappeared, now replaced by the "CAUTION-DON'T BREAK **** OR GET WHACT BY YOUR WANGMOTE" screens.
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Post by: Stratos on March 30, 2009, 04:25:59 PM
Was it 2003 we started seeing games shipped with the A-button Epilseippseilsy warnings?

I feel like they've disappeared, now replaced by the "CAUTION-DON'T BREAK **** OR GET WHACT BY YOUR WANGMOTE" screens.

That's because the 'press A' screen appears at the Wii boot-up so if you press A to turn on your remotes you barely see the screen.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2009, 04:43:13 PM
ahahahah by golly, you're right!

Such an insignificant screen!  Much like ESRB ratings on game boxes!

On this subject, I believe ESRB ratings (w/ descriptors) should be the first or second screen to show when you load up a game (along with that dry boring voice that says "RATED EMM FOR MATOOR"), since they already show up on the box (which is ignored) and that the ESRB enforces the placement of ratings inside game trailers nowadays (to my frustration as a video sharer).  That way, Mom will see/hear/realize what a mistake she made to buy the game, then promptly return it, adversely affecting sales of "matoor" games.
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Post by: broodwars on March 30, 2009, 07:36:45 PM
ahahahah by golly, you're right!

Such an insignificant screen!  Much like ESRB ratings on game boxes!

On this subject, I believe ESRB ratings (w/ descriptors) should be the first or second screen to show when you load up a game (along with that dry boring voice that says "RATED EMM FOR MATOOR"), since they already show up on the box (which is ignored) and that the ESRB enforces the placement of ratings inside game trailers nowadays (to my frustration as a video sharer).  That way, Mom will see/hear/realize what a mistake she made to buy the game, then promptly return it, adversely affecting sales of "matoor" games.

Thing is, that would require extra programming and could complicate the game's boot proceedure.  The ESRB and the various publishers are perfectly fine with the ESRB rating being on the Title Screen so long as it's readable, and that's where I figure it'll stay (when publishers decide to use it at all) just because it's easy.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2009, 07:56:20 PM
Most boot logos are still images or movie clips.  It's not complicated to just lengthen a clip at the beginning or add another bitmap, which is unique and manually inserted for each game in the first place.  In fact, it's probably easier than getting a 480p release of MadWorld in PAL territories.

Where are these ratings on the Title Screen you speak of?  I don't seem to recall ANY these past few months, which brings me back to my original point of these labels being glossed over.

edit:  YOU CHEEKY BUGGER, you editedededed.
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Post by: broodwars on March 30, 2009, 11:49:15 PM
Most boot logos are still images or movie clips.  It's not complicated to just lengthen a clip at the beginning or add another bitmap, which is unique and manually inserted for each game in the first place.  In fact, it's probably easier than getting a 480p release of MadWorld in PAL territories.

Where are these ratings on the Title Screen you speak of?  I don't seem to recall ANY these past few months, which brings me back to my original point of these labels being glossed over.

edit:  YOU CHEEKY BUGGER, you editedededed.

Eh, I work QA for a company that puts the ESRB logo on the title screen, so I had assumed that was a new industry standard or something.  I re-edited because I went through some of my Wii collection and noticed the ESRB logo wasn't on the title screen at all.

But yeah, believe it or not there are standards in place for the various platforms that dictate how long a boot sequence can go, disregarding legal screens.  It's questionable if the ESRB logo could be considered a legal screen or not, however, since the ESRB has no legal authority.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 31, 2009, 12:04:01 AM
Are you inserting the logos on in-game title screens, or the Wii Disc Channel gateway screens?  I now recall seeing labels on those.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2009, 12:15:08 AM
Are you inserting the logos on in-game title screens, or the Wii Disc Channel gateway screens?  I now recall seeing labels on those.

In-Game title, but I don't know about Wii.  My work doesn't include that platform.  Ironic, isn't it?

Incidentally, I should warn you that I can't really elaborate much further, just in case I'd violate some hidden clause of the NDA I signed when I was hired.  Nothing too secretive, but I rather like my job and would like to keep it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2009, 02:18:35 AM
Can you say what company you work for?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2009, 02:21:23 AM
Can you say what company you work for?

Not sure if I can say, but I'm sure my profile might give you a clue.  ^_-  Let's just say this company put out some surprisingly good games last year I'm dying to play on a PS3 when I finally get one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 31, 2009, 02:26:06 AM
Can you say what company you work for?

Not sure if I can say, but I'm sure my profile might give you a clue.  ^_-  Let's just say this company put out some surprisingly good games last year I'm dying to play on a PS3 when I finally get one.

I need you to deliver a message for me. A message regarding DS:E...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2009, 02:26:59 AM
Can you hook up NWR with an exclusive interview?
How about with the Dead Space Extraction team
or something involving EA Sports/Active games that are coming up within the next 60 days?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2009, 02:28:41 AM
Can you say what company you work for?

Not sure if I can say, but I'm sure my profile might give you a clue.  ^_-  Let's just say this company put out some surprisingly good games last year I'm dying to play on a PS3 when I finally get one.

I need you to deliver a message for me. A message regarding DS:E...

*laughs*  Well that didn't take long.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2009, 02:29:06 AM
to be honest, I saw before you edited :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2009, 02:30:45 AM
Can you hook up NWR with an exclusive interview?
How about with the Dead Space Extraction team
or something involving EA Sports/Active games that are coming up within the next 60 days?

I'd say a big "No" to all of those.  I'd be happy to talk about the QA experience here when my time is done, though with how these NDAs are written these days I don't know if I'd ever be able to.  Let's just say the job is a lot more technically-minded than most people think, and nowhere near as glamorous.  Still, can't beat the severe discounts you get on said company's products.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2009, 02:42:21 AM
Good I will funnel future EA purchases through you ;).

Sucks you can't set up an interview of any kind. Are you segregated from the marketing and PR people?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2009, 02:46:15 AM
Good I will funnel future EA purchases through you ;).

Sucks you can't set up an interview of any kind. Are you segregated from the marketing and PR people?

Yep, we're the lowly grunts that do our best to break the game and make the programmers cry.  The people who actually try to sell it work in a whole different building, and it's rare to see anyone outside our own department.  Now, really...enough, k?  Good job, and would like to not say something stupid to lose it.  ^_^
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2009, 02:48:41 AM
That does sound glamorous.
So your job is like the guys from Grandma's Boy?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 31, 2009, 02:53:02 AM
Good I will funnel future EA purchases through you ;).

Sucks you can't set up an interview of any kind. Are you segregated from the marketing and PR people?

Yep, we're the lowly grunts that do our best to break the game and make the programmers cry.  The people who actually try to sell it work in a whole different building, and it's rare to see anyone outside our own department.  Now, really...enough, k?  Good job, and would like to not say something stupid to lose it.  ^_^

Oh geez, your job is to make me cry? T_T
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2009, 02:53:52 AM
Incidentally, on the subject of Extraction I was recently reading the Game Informer article on the game, and the story sounds remarkably similar to the one in the absolutely horrible Dead Space: Downfall animated movie.  Hopefully, they learned their lesson with that disaster, but at the very least there's no possible way the game could be any worse.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2009, 03:04:49 AM
I just watched that disaster DS:D. I didn't think it was that bad.
Better than a lot of the "horror" movies I've seen lately.

& to keep this thread on topic, there is a "rumor" kinda going around (not really) that one of the N64's best is getting a Wiimake. Supposedly TLoZ:OoT is being upgraded for the Wii. I personally think its a lame April Fools joke, but sometimes you never know how much of it might kinda be true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2009, 03:11:21 AM
I just watched that disaster DS:D. I didn't think it was that bad.
Better than a lot of the "horror" movies I've seen lately.

& to keep this thread on topic, there is a "rumor" kinda going around (not really) that one of the N64's best is getting a Wiimake. Supposedly TLoZ:OoT is being upgraded for the Wii. I personally think its a lame April Fools joke, but sometimes you never know how much of it might kinda be true.

Didn't we already get that with Twilight Princess?   :P

I jest, but seriously this sounds like nonsense to me.  It just doesn't seem likely when there's no reason whatsoever to play Ocarina with waggle.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 31, 2009, 03:13:31 AM
But it's definitely valid in the effort to fuel the fanboy war against those who hope for a FF7-PS3 remake.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2009, 03:20:26 AM
But it's definitely valid in the effort to fuel the fanboy war against those who hope for a FF7-PS3 remake.

You remember that big speech Bill Murray gives at the end of Ghostbusters about the End of the World ("...Dogs and Cats, living together...MASS HYSTERIA!")?  Yeah, that's what we're going to see the day Square inevitably (and I say "inevitably" because it is going to happen.  If Square could put out those paramounts of mediocrity FF-X2 and FF12 anything's possible) reveals it's working on a FF7 remake.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2009, 03:36:53 AM
a FF7 Wiimake would be better. imagine the outrage of the sony fanbois
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 31, 2009, 03:38:37 AM
FF7 NPC
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2009, 07:56:09 AM
FF7 NPC

Would the waggle be mapped to sword swings or random melodramatic outburts?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 31, 2009, 12:59:08 PM
I think the OoT remake rumors are BS and an April Fool's Joke. While Nintendo would re-release this title either under a collection of games or a NPC title all evidence seems to point towards the Zelda team creating a brand new Zelda with groundbreaking technology.

Again, this could happen, but for now its a joke.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 31, 2009, 03:53:24 PM
FF7 NPC

Would the waggle be mapped to sword swings or random melodramatic outburts?

Waggle would navigate the PSX-era menus.  No other form of input.  That is all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2009, 04:18:26 PM
now you could play with one hand while you lay down on the couch.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 31, 2009, 07:03:16 PM
Thus it's the interactive 40-hour cutscene it was meant to be.

Perfect for the GERSTMANN.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 31, 2009, 08:21:18 PM
Nintendo should remake Ocarina of Time if only to annoy a new generation of gamers with the Water Temple. In fact, right after defeating Morpha, they should add another obligatory Water Temple with 5 or 6 levels to raise/lower the water in order to reawaken Ruto.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 31, 2009, 08:27:11 PM
I loved that temple! It was by far the toughest and most rewarding.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 31, 2009, 08:32:30 PM
The Water Temple is awesome because it actually forced you to use your head muscle. You had to remember the layout of the place and plan out your routes.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 31, 2009, 09:16:13 PM
The water Temple game me nightmares about fighting in the Zelda universe. Best Zelda level ever.

Have you guys heard the report on IGN about the Winter 2.0 demo and publisher interest?
I guess Winter got a major make over and uses M+ now. Plus the graphics are even better.

They also overheard a group of devs and publishers in a bar where a Wii Wakeboarding game was pitched to the publisher people. It uses the balance board and the suits loved the idea.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 31, 2009, 09:32:37 PM
Ya uhh....

I don't believe any news story this time of year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 31, 2009, 10:08:57 PM
Ditto.

Tomorrow's April Fools, which means any story that sounds too good to the true its likely false.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 31, 2009, 10:19:47 PM
I heard a rumour that there is going to be a new Smash Brothers game, this time around involving only characters from Mario games. It is being developed by a company called "Sloof Lirpa", which isn't any company I've ever heard of. Do you think it could be true? Why do I want to believe it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 31, 2009, 10:23:48 PM
Honestly, there has never been a gaming April Fools that I have fallen for.
Things like Lego Zelda and the Zelda movie are obviously fake to me.

Some people on the VC-Reviews forum might have stumbled upon the VC-Reviews/WiiWare World April Fools prank because someone discovered a new Goldeneye VC page on their site that was blank except for a basic "Hello, World" type message. It was pulled down hours later.

I'm actually excited to see what sort of shenanigans the different game sites pull off for tomorrow. It's like a gaming holiday of sorts but instead of decorations you get fake news articles and in replacement of parties you see gullible fanboy's hearts stirred in a flurry of joy and confusion.

EDIT- Sloop Lirpa is the greatest game development studio on the planet. They are one of those 'ninja devs' that don't take credit for the work they do. They've been involved with major projects like Zelda, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Rock Band, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Kirby, Wario, Gears of War, Mario, Contra and Halo. They do good stuff.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2009, 10:35:34 PM


Have you guys heard the report on IGN about the Winter 2.0 demo and publisher interest?
I guess Winter got a major make over and uses M+ now. Plus the graphics are even better.

They also overheard a group of devs and publishers in a bar where a Wii Wakeboarding game was pitched to the publisher people. It uses the balance board and the suits loved the idea.
This is actually from the same blurb that Matt C from IGN made about the M+ in a permanent condom.
Its from a few days ago.

not likely an April Fools joke
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 31, 2009, 11:15:09 PM
I heard a rumour that there is going to be a new Smash Brothers game, this time around involving only characters from Mario games. It is being developed by a company called "Sloof Lirpa", which isn't any company I've ever heard of. Do you think it could be true? Why do I want to believe it?

Instant day one purchase.

At least it will not be too self aware and have the developer's ego all over it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 31, 2009, 11:29:00 PM
SK is making Zelda.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 01, 2009, 12:25:27 AM
SK is making Zelda.

You guessed who Sloof Lirpa really is!  :o
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 01, 2009, 12:31:26 AM
SK is making Zelda.

It has been in the making for 20 plus years, development started on the NES and hope to finish it by the time Wii 2 is released in 2020.

Its going to be epic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 01, 2009, 12:57:33 AM
SK is making Zelda.

It has been in the making for 20 plus years, development started on the NES and hope to finish it by the time Wii 2 is released in 2020.

Its going to be epic.
OMG I can see it now....

delayed till 2021
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Post by: Stratos on April 01, 2009, 01:02:32 AM
SK is making Zelda.

It has been in the making for 20 plus years, development started on the NES and hope to finish it by the time Wii 2 is released in 2020.

Its going to be epic.
OMG I can see it now....

delayed till 2021

Yeah, after the poor reaction of Wind Waker they took the whole game back to the drawing board. Miyamoto was so angry that I heard he was upending tea tables everywhere and imprisoning employees because of issues the team were having with the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 01, 2009, 01:09:53 AM
SK is making Zelda.

It has been in the making for 20 plus years, development started on the NES and hope to finish it by the time Wii 2 is released in 2020.

Its going to be epic.
OMG I can see it now....

delayed till 2021

Yeah, after the poor reaction of Wind Waker they took the whole game back to the drawing board. Miyamoto was so angry that I heard he was upending tea tables everywhere and imprisoning employees because of issues the team were having with the game.

And then Shiggy kidnaps a bunch of children and forces them to like the game or else he will kill their families, the developers and THEIR families and children!

And whenever a player fails to enjoy the sailing Shiggy eats a kitten raw.

For real.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on April 01, 2009, 08:17:40 AM
This year's April Fool's day is brought to you by the word "pathetic".
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Post by: Rhoq on April 01, 2009, 08:56:15 AM
SK is making Zelda.

It has been in the making for 20 plus years, development started on the NES and hope to finish it by the time Wii 2 is released in 2020.

Its going to be epic.
OMG I can see it now....

delayed till 2021

So big, they've decided to make it a trilogy!
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 01, 2009, 01:12:51 PM
This year's April Fool's day is brought to you by the word "pathetic".

Provided kindly by the folks at IGN, Gamespot, Lames Gaydar and many more :D .
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on April 04, 2009, 12:54:27 AM
Sup Guys, heh, what's up? Heya BnM, any tibits on Zelda Wii?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2009, 01:37:13 AM
Nothing on Zelda.

Brutal Legend is all but confirmed to have a Wii version in development though.
Doubtful that its gonna be developed in house by Double Fine, but it should be a reality hopefully not too long after the HD versions


And then there is this thread:
Developers Breaking NDA's by Posting Unnanounced Games on Their Resumes While Looking for New Jobs (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=27785.0)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2009, 12:28:10 PM
Release date for M+? 10th of July

[pic removed]

And WiiFit+!!!

E3 could be a good one for Nintendo this year!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 04, 2009, 02:00:34 PM
Wow, that's a good find. Where did you get it from, the German rating board?

WiiFit Plus? It will include the balance board.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on April 04, 2009, 03:27:52 PM
I'd guess some benelux state considering the title at the top is in one of those languages. Also a German list would capitalize it GmbH.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on April 04, 2009, 04:31:22 PM
Kinda bummer nothing on Wii Zelda, Hopeful it will be shown off at E3 in some form.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 04, 2009, 04:57:41 PM
It might MysticGohan. I think a trailer would be shown and that would be it.
On a unrelated note welcome back.I joined the forums back in Jan 08.If I recall correctly you played Mafia.We got a dedicated forum to it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on April 04, 2009, 05:26:48 PM
Yup, I was a regular here. Played Mafia quite often. Poor ShyGuy ;) me n BnM were killer heh. excuse the pun lol. It's good to be back, been planning on getting my hand on a Wii soon and grab some goodies.

I wonder what the next installment will go? assuming they go on from where TP left off. And if we'll see Ganon again. Let alone if it'll use Cel shading like WW or go with TP's direction.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 04, 2009, 05:48:22 PM
Yup, I was a regular here. Played Mafia quite often. Poor ShyGuy ;) me n BnM were killer heh. excuse the pun lol. It's good to be back, been planning on getting my hand on a Wii soon and grab some goodies.

I wonder what the next installment will go? assuming they go on from where TP left off. And if we'll see Ganon again. Let alone if it'll use Cel shading like WW or go with TP's direction.

I think a number of poeple are guessing it will go the cel-shaded route considering that is how it is on the DS. Plus I heard sales of Twilight Princess were not as high as previous games in Japan.
I would like to see Midna included again in some fashion in either of her forms.

What is a benelux state? And why would the capitalization matter? Couldn't Gmbh and GmbH mean the same things?

Also, welcome back MysticGohan, I'm Stratos, nice to meet you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on April 04, 2009, 06:02:42 PM
Yup, I was a regular here. Played Mafia quite often. Poor ShyGuy ;) me n BnM were killer heh. excuse the pun lol. It's good to be back, been planning on getting my hand on a Wii soon and grab some goodies.

I wonder what the next installment will go? assuming they go on from where TP left off. And if we'll see Ganon again. Let alone if it'll use Cel shading like WW or go with TP's direction.

I think a number of poeple are guessing it will go the cel-shaded route considering that is how it is on the DS. Plus I heard sales of Twilight Princess were not as high as previous games in Japan.
I would like to see Midna included again in some fashion in either of her forms.

What is a benelux state? And why would the capitalization matter? Couldn't Gmbh and GmbH mean the same things?

Also, welcome back MysticGohan, I'm Stratos, nice to meet you.

Back at ya! :) Hmmm, would be intresting. How did TP fared in US compared to WW? and either to OOT?

Curious to see how they will handle this.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on April 04, 2009, 06:51:48 PM
What is a benelux state?

Be for Belgium.
ne for Netherlands.
lux for Luxembourg.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 04, 2009, 07:04:14 PM
I sincerely hope that Wii Fit Plus is an actual sequel and not just the same old Wii Fit with Wii Motion Plus support.

How did TP fared in US compared to WW? and either to OOT?
It's hard to say, but Wikipedia puts the worldwide sales as follows:

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (7.6 million)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (3.07 million)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii version) (4.52 million)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN version) (1.32 million)

Looks like Twilight Princess sold almost twice as much as The Wind Waker worldwide, so I don't know if Nintendo would be willing to go back to that style.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2009, 07:20:21 PM
I sincerely hope that Wii Fit Plus is an actual sequel and not just the same old Wii Fit with Wii Motion Plus support.

How did TP fared in US compared to WW? and either to OOT?
It's hard to say, but Wikipedia puts the worldwide sales as follows:

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (7.6 million)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (3.07 million)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii version) (4.52 million)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN version) (1.32 million)

Looks like Twilight Princess sold almost twice as much as The Wind Waker worldwide, so I don't know if Nintendo would be willing to go back to that style.

While "Twilight Princess" was a smashing success across the world in Japan it only sold 500,000 copies, EXTREMELY low for a series like Zelda. Because of this Miyamoto and crew started experimenting with the series, seeing how the game could attract new players while still keeping it challenging for older gamers.

Out of this "Phantom Hourglass" was born and was a bigger success than TP on the Wii and GC. The rumored Zelda patent hopes to make the game challenging while keeping it easy enough with a video and tip system.

That's why everybody says TP was a "flop" and why Nintendo wants the newer Zelda games to sparkle once more.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 04, 2009, 08:46:09 PM
I personally would like the Wii to keep the TP styles and then let the Celda stay on the DS front. that way we can get the best of both worlds.

Thanks for the numbers Mop it up.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2009, 08:51:49 PM
I personally would like the Wii to keep the TP styles and then let the Celda stay on the DS front. that way we can get the best of both worlds.

Thanks for the numbers Mop it up.

I agree. I personally enjoyed both styles, especially since both are able to bring life and personality into the characters.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 04, 2009, 09:03:19 PM
It might MysticGohan. I think a trailer would be shown and that would be it.
On a unrelated note welcome back.I joined the forums back in Jan 08.If I recall correctly you played Mafia.We got a dedicated forum to it.

Nintendo has made it clear that they no longer plan to announce games long before they come out (like how they announced Twilight Princess in like 2004). I don't expect the next Zelda game to be announced more than a year before they expect to release it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 04, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
It might MysticGohan. I think a trailer would be shown and that would be it.
On a unrelated note welcome back.I joined the forums back in Jan 08.If I recall correctly you played Mafia.We got a dedicated forum to it.

Nintendo has made it clear that they no longer plan to announce games long before they come out (like how they announced Twilight Princess in like 2004). I don't expect the next Zelda game to be announced more than a year before they expect to release it.

So we hope to see an announcement at E3 because then that means it will be out soon!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 04, 2009, 10:11:14 PM
While "Twilight Princess" was a smashing success across the world in Japan it only sold 500,000 copies
Just out of curiosity, where did you get that figure from? Wikipedia doesn't list sales information per region, so I don't know where to find that data from. I'd also like to know how many copies The Wind Waker sold in Japan.

Personally I'd like to see a Zelda style somewhere in between Twilight Princess and The Wind Waker, a sort of "realistic cartoon" I guess would be as best I could describe it. Kind of like the Zelda cartoon only without the "Well excuse me, princess!" campiness.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 04, 2009, 10:26:44 PM
From Famitsu. As of of the end of 2007 (the game failed to crack the top 100 in 2008), the Wii version sold 546,093 copies in Japan.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on April 04, 2009, 10:33:46 PM
I sincerely hope that Wii Fit Plus is an actual sequel and not just the same old Wii Fit with Wii Motion Plus support.

How did TP fared in US compared to WW? and either to OOT?
It's hard to say, but Wikipedia puts the worldwide sales as follows:

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (7.6 million)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (3.07 million)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii version) (4.52 million)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN version) (1.32 million)

Looks like Twilight Princess sold almost twice as much as The Wind Waker worldwide, so I don't know if Nintendo would be willing to go back to that style.

Interesting numbers, So the combine numbers of both GCN and Wii versions of TP sold nearly the same amount as OOT.

I just would like to see how hard they can push the wii's graphical limit. Seeing that OOT broke the 64's and TP to GC. I'm assuming it would be in line that the wii is roughly 2-3x as powerful as GC.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 04, 2009, 11:15:10 PM
Here are the VG Chartz numbers:

Ocarina: 7.6 M                       (Japan-1.46m      America-4.08m   Other-2.06m)
Twilight Princess Combined
 Version Sales 6.82 M             (Japan-640k             America-3.95          Other-2.23m)

Twilight Princess Wii: 5.26 M  (Japan-600k           America-2.82m   Other-1.84m)
Link to the Past: 4.61 M         (Japan-1.16m           America-2.46m   Other-990k)
Wind Waker: 4.55 M              (Japan-890k           America-2.58m   Other-1.08m)
Phantom Hourglass: 4.49 M   (Japan-950k           America-1.74m   Other-1.80m)
Majora's Mask: 3.36 M           (Japan-740k           America-1.89m   Other-730k)
Twilight Princess GC: 1.56 M   (Japan-40k           America-1.13m   Other-390k)

So TP was one of the worst selling versions, but not horribly worse. Both Celda games did much better over there though. Hourglass is also the closest any Zelda game has come to breaking 1 Million since Ocarina and Link to the Past. It's the highest handheld seller as well. Awakening was 3.83M, Awakening DX was 2.22 and Minish was 1.34.

I'm going to guess that the next Zelda on Wii will be a Celda game or an entirely new style we've yet to see. I think TP is going to be a one time thing.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 04, 2009, 11:28:05 PM
Any numbers from VG Chartz should be taken with a grain of salt of coarse as they are not a reliable source.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 04, 2009, 11:31:12 PM
They are older numbers and they tend to align them to fit the real ones once they get leaked or released to the public. Plus it was stated earlier that their numbers ten to be close enough to guess and compare.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2009, 01:12:41 AM
Did anybody hear about the trouble Factor 5 was in and how they might be laying off everyone and shutting down?
Did anybody hear about how Factor 5 supposedly had to cancel all their projects except for two and had to let go of about half their staff which is about 35 people?
Did anybody hear that those two projects that are for Nintendo and that atleast one of them are a flying game?

Its been long rumored that one of the games is Pilot Wings, but what is the other one?

could the other one possibly be Star Fox? or another Rogue Squadron?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 05, 2009, 01:15:16 AM
Did anybody hear about the trouble Factor 5 was in and how they might be laying off everyone and shutting down?
Did anybody hear about how Factor 5 supposedly had to cancel all their projects except for two and had to let go of about half their staff which is about 35 people?
Did anybody hear that those two projects that are for Nintendo and that atleast one of them are a flying game?

Its been long rumored that one of the games is Pilot Wings, but what is the other one?

could the other one possibly be Star Fox? or another Rogue Squadron?

Factor 5 are just about the only company who could save the Star Fox franchise at this point and Star Wars is tapped-out when it comes to flight sims, so that'd be my guess.
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Post by: Stratos on April 05, 2009, 01:48:47 AM
I know they disappeared and I have no clue what happened with them or if they are even in business anymore, but I was also secretly hoping that Nintendo rescued them on the down low and that they have been busy working on a major new game for Wii and that at E3 Nintendo would unveil both the game and that they rescued Factor 5 and made them a second party.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2009, 02:18:19 AM
I forget where I heard it, but the rumor is that Nintendo is bankrolling Factor 5 right now and that they have two project deep in development for them right now.

Factor 5 had a falling out with Sony after Lair and that hurt them really bad financially. Rumor was that they were gonna lay everyone off and close up shop, but from what I last heard, they were just laying off everyone that couldn't be assimilated into the ongoing Nintendo projects(roughly 35 people).

The Pilotwings rumor has been going on forever, so there is no need to go into any detail about that.

But the rumor right now is that Factor 5 is working on two games and they are both for Nintendo.
One of the rumored games is believed to be a flying game, and nothing is really known about the second.

What has also been rumored is that Factor 5 has already successfully ported RS3 onto the Wii, so we know they have a working Wii engine to play with. - if they really needed money that bad, why didn't they release the port of Rogue Squadron 3? New Play Control anyone? -

But if Nintendo is foting the bill, I'm pretty sure we can rule out another Rogue Squadron cause that belongs to Lucas Arts. So if Pilot wings is that 1st rumored flying game, what could theother possibly be?

I am personally hoping its a Star Fox(over seen by Miyamoto) & not a Kid Icarus or anything involving humanoid characters that are not flying in a ship of some sort preferably in space .
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: IceCold on April 05, 2009, 02:58:15 AM
Sup Guys, heh, what's up? Heya BnM, any tibits on Zelda Wii?

Stop talking to yourself.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 05, 2009, 03:30:17 AM
Couldn't Gmbh and GmbH mean the same things?

What I mean is that GmbH has its capitalization because of its meaning (Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung) which would be lost on someone from another country and thus he'd be less likely to capitalize it properly. In Germany the acronym is common enough that everyone should know how to write it properly.
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Post by: Stratos on April 05, 2009, 03:38:12 AM
Couldn't Gmbh and GmbH mean the same things?

What I mean is that GmbH has its capitalization because of its meaning (Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung) which would be lost on someone from another country and thus he'd be less likely to capitalize it properly. In Germany the acronym is common enough that everyone should know how to write it properly.

Hmm, so then that could prove this is a fake then, correct? It would be like someone in America to write UsA or USoA instead of USA?
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Post by: MysticGohan on April 05, 2009, 04:32:22 AM
Sup Guys, heh, what's up? Heya BnM, any tibits on Zelda Wii?

Stop talking to yourself.

Can't be talking to myself when another addresses :p Besides I usually don't talk back, glad you missed me too IceCold ;)
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Post by: Mop it up on April 05, 2009, 06:53:13 PM
But the rumor right now is that Factor 5 is working on two games and they are both for Nintendo.
One of the rumored games is believed to be a flying game, and nothing is really known about the second.
Maybe that flying game they mentioned is Star Fox. Or maybe it's Wii Flight Simulator, possibly taking a page from Microsoft's old success with the Windows Flight Simulator. Just calling it a "flying game" is pretty vague so there are still quite a few possibilities as to what it is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2009, 07:04:11 PM
WING ISLAND
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Post by: broodwars on April 05, 2009, 07:06:44 PM
I'm calling it now: it's Wii Fly.  You use the Wiimote like a Flight Stick to fly over a variety of locations with no goal, challenge, or any reason whatsoever to play the game.  It's impossible to lose, as you cannot crash your plane no matter how hard you try.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2009, 07:13:56 PM
If the world was made of rubber, it'd present some interesting physics opportunities.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 06, 2009, 02:38:06 AM
I'm calling it now: it's Wii Fly.  You use the Wiimote like a Flight Stick to fly over a variety of locations with no goal, challenge, or any reason whatsoever to play the game.  It's impossible to lose, as you cannot crash your plane no matter how hard you try.

AKA MS Flight Simulator with an invincibility cheat. You know what's even more pointless? Microsoft Train Simulator. And yes, people actually buy that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 07, 2009, 03:57:50 AM
All the trains run on time.
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Post by: Khushrenada on April 07, 2009, 10:41:05 AM
There will be order!!!

Hiya Mystic! Long time no postie.

The new Zelda game is a train simulator? That's wierd.


Hope the Factor 5 rumors are true.
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Post by: MysticGohan on April 07, 2009, 08:46:01 PM
There will be order!!!

Hiya Mystic! Long time no postie.

The new Zelda game is a train simulator? That's wierd.


Hope the Factor 5 rumors are true.

Sup triez, lWhat's a shaken?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 09, 2009, 03:44:49 PM
I can't find the thread/poast that originally mentions the Wii Japanese horror game with the slimy rubbery dark haired girls.  Famitsu had news scans of it.

Someone claims it's called "Feel".  Sounds like a great Touch Generation game, allowing you to make contact with Sadako's moist pasty lukewarm skin.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 09, 2009, 04:15:53 PM
Thus it's the interactive 40-hour cutscene it was meant to be.
Someone beat it in under 8 hours. Speeddemosarchive.com
Granted that took him over a year to get that time. :)
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 09, 2009, 04:19:26 PM
Quote
Honestly, there has never been a gaming April Fools that I have fallen for.
I fell for Final Fantasy VIII Gaiden.  That was masterfully done in a time when it was rare to see stuff that good as an AFJ.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 09, 2009, 08:27:41 PM
There will be order!!!

Hiya Mystic! Long time no postie.

The new Zelda game is a train simulator? That's wierd.


Hope the Factor 5 rumors are true.

Well I know Matt has talked about how no one is returning calls there leading one to believe they are shut down. Hopefully this is what really happened with them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 09, 2009, 08:42:54 PM
Well their website is still up and their phone system is still active so who knows. If their phone system and site go down in the next few months then that may show they are gone. The silence is abnormal though. Typically you hear confirmation that a studio is shut down but all we have are rumors.

Also note the Turrican games is still on the VC system and one new game by them was added recently as well so some part of them is still active. They may have just lost their building and so they are operating out of someones basement. Their offices could have been foreclosed and they cannot access their stuff or their contact lists. Where are they located? Could someone go look up their place and see if it is boarded up or if a new business is still there?

Here's their office address, anyone near here and interested in doing a little field research/snooping?

101 Lucas Valley Road
Suite 300
San Rafael, CA 94903

I looked them up on Google Maps street view but I couldn't see any building from the picture.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 09, 2009, 09:37:07 PM
Quote
Here's their office address, anyone near here and interested in doing a little field research/snooping?

101 Lucas Valley Road
Suite 300
San Rafael, CA 94903

I looked them up on Google Maps street view but I couldn't see any building from the picture.
I'm not that far away, but its about a 35-45 minute drive and $4 bridge toll. I might have another reason to  be out that way in the next coming weeks though, so maybe if that happens I can cruise by and take a few pictures.
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Post by: Stratos on April 09, 2009, 10:05:08 PM
OK, thanks BnM. Wonder what people would think seeing a guy taking pictures and stuff  :D
I think the Google street image was off a bit. I clicked on the link to another business with the same address and I did see an office building in that shot. Another thing you could do is go in and find suite 300 which is theirs.

Don't feel you have to go too far out of your way to do anything but any effort you put in is appreciated. Boo to tolls  :P
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 09, 2009, 11:10:17 PM
Walk in the front door with a clipboard and an empty box. Ask them what their street address is.
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Post by: Arbok on April 10, 2009, 12:42:58 AM
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Here's their office address, anyone near here and interested in doing a little field research/snooping?

101 Lucas Valley Road
Suite 300
San Rafael, CA 94903

I looked them up on Google Maps street view but I couldn't see any building from the picture.
I'm not that far away, but its about a 35-45 minute drive and $4 bridge toll. I might have another reason to  be out that way in the next coming weeks though, so maybe if that happens I can cruise by and take a few pictures.

$4? You live in the East Bay right? At least it's better than the Golden Gate toll, since that's $5 even with Fasttrack... :-/

Anyway, I cross their place on my way to work... if I remember, maybe I will stop by since they are right off the freeway.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2009, 12:54:21 AM
Saves me a trip, since I probably would have forgotten.

Is anybody going to the SEGA event in San Francisco this weekend?
http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2009/04/09/300-good-reasons-to-visit-this-weekends-cherry-blossom-festival/

Big giveaway if you know your trivia
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Post by: Khushrenada on April 10, 2009, 12:56:59 AM
There will be order!!!

Hiya Mystic! Long time no postie.

The new Zelda game is a train simulator? That's wierd.


Hope the Factor 5 rumors are true.

Sup triez, lWhat's a shaken?

Dalton month. All that has to be said.
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Post by: Khushrenada on April 10, 2009, 12:58:18 AM
By the way, when I mention that I hope the rumors are true, I don't mean that Factor 5 has been shut down, but that they are working on exclusive Nintendo games. Just to be clear on that.
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Post by: Stratos on April 10, 2009, 04:58:50 AM
By the way, when I mention that I hope the rumors are true, I don't mean that Factor 5 has been shut down, but that they are working on exclusive Nintendo games. Just to be clear on that.

I understood you to mean that.

@Arbok
Good luck remembering.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
Looks like the rumors have been proved true.... kinda.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28158.new#new

Factor 5 is still Alive & they are working on an unannounced Wii game.

But now there is no need to drive to San Rafael to see the Factor 5 offices since we know that its shutting down
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 14, 2009, 04:10:14 PM
So what good is the Euro 5 compared to the Cali 5?

I really don't know the product history between the two offices.
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Post by: Stratos on May 14, 2009, 04:28:04 PM
It's nice to know some of the studio survived.

If they are working on a Wii game then perhaps there really is a Kid Icarus Wii? I know there was a theory that Factor was making a showcase demo to present to Nintendo, that would explain how the IGN crew saw it but Nintendo refuses to acknowledge it. It will probably appear at this E3 so we'll see it then.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2009, 04:31:55 PM
Well we have E3 in LA this June, GC in Germany this August and TGS in Tokyo this Sept., so we could hear about it at any of those. Nintendo is not gonna blow its whole load at E3.

Factor 5 might want to wait till the show is closer to home to unveil what its been working on.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2009, 06:26:28 PM
So what good is the Euro 5 compared to the Cali 5?

I really don't know the product history between the two offices.
After doing a little looking around (because I didn't know either), it seems like Fcator 5 GmbH is the parent company who has basically turned all operations over to Factor 5 San Rafael sometime after they opened the US branch.

Now Factor 5 SR ran into financial troubles with Brash and Factor 5 GmbH became active again as a back up plan to get out of all unwanted liabilities and move shop.

Quote
That's it. Factor 5 GmbH was likely a one-man show with Achim Moller - right until last December when Factor 5 Inc. ran into financial difficulties. Now the remaining Factor 5 Inc. staff seems to work for Factor 5 GmbH.

In addition, Factor 5 and the Factor 5 logo as well as Denaris, Katakis, MusyX, Thornado and Turrican are no longer trademarks of Factor 5, LLC (or Factor 5 Inc, as they are called more recently). They belong to Factor 5 GmbH now.
(http://www.factor5.com/legal.shtml --> was changed today!)

So after Factor 5 USA/Inc. had closed down, all operations were taken up by Factor 5 GmbH.
So it would seem that while the San Rafael office is going to close, the employees might not be relocating very far. They could still be working on the unannounced Wii game from a new smaller location now under the the New (old/original?) Factor 5(GmbH).

edit:
Apparently some "ex" Factor 5 employees have already formed a new development house to work under the Factor 5 GmbH held IP's & trademarks
new company name: WhiteHarvest LLC
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Eman on May 15, 2009, 12:13:40 AM
http://wii.nintendolife.com/news/2009/05/rampant_speculation_ign_teases_new_hardcore_title

IGN teases a new hardcore title, what could it be?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on May 15, 2009, 12:17:12 AM
Title: "A game Matt will not screw over in reviews"

The Wii needs more HARDCOREZ in order to survive. (no it doesn't)
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 15, 2009, 03:13:16 PM
Eman you beat me to it. Looks to me like some huge fiery energy sword that just sliced up some little woman. For a moment I was ready for a brand new Soul Calibur from the ground up, but all the blood depunks that theory. Maybe its a brand new fighting game.

Looks like a big muscle bound giant, with a viking like head. The graphics will will looks like Marimusa Demon Blade(what ever its called) Appears kinda cartoony to me. I can't wait!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2009, 03:27:43 PM
Flames_of_Chaos beat both of you, by atleast 4 hours;

emag iiW terceS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=27920.0)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2009, 07:01:17 PM
Release date for M+? 10th of July

[pic removed]

And WiiFit+!!!

E3 could be a good one for Nintendo this year!
Looks like another rumor came true!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28322.0) expect to see this one at E3 for sure.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2009, 07:03:24 PM
I gotta finish Rune Factory Frontier and MadWorld and Deadly Creatures and Bonerchanbara

D=
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 29, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
Final Fantasy:The Crystal Bearers at E3? (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=84381)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on May 29, 2009, 06:10:58 PM
Final Fantasy:The Crystal Bearers at E3? (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=84381)

Well, there is that Japanese conference happening right after E3. If we don't see it at E3 it could always appear there.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2009, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: SquareEnix PR
SQUARE ENIX TO SHOWCASE NEW DIRECTION AT E3 2009

With an Expansive Line-Up of FINAL FANTASY Games, the Company Announces New Portfolio of Games across Action, Shooter and RTS Genres Developed from Around the World

Square Enix, Inc., the publisher of Square Enix interactive entertainment products in North America, announced today a broad lineup of titles for the 2009 E3 Expo, taking place between June 2 – 4. Highlighting the steps it has taken to become a more global entertainment company, Square Enix will not only feature games developed in partnership with U.S. and European developers such as FRONT MISSION EVOLVED , ORDER OF WAR and SUPREME COMMANDER 2 at their booth; but continues to offer the highest-quality experiences across all platforms, with highly anticipated new games such as DISSIDIA FINAL FANTASY and FINAL FANTASY XIII, in addition to the next installment in the beloved KINGDOM HEARTS franchise, KINGDOM HEARTS 358/2 Days.

"As our best-selling FINAL FANTASY franchise continues to evolve, Square Enix is focused on creating the best entertainment experiences for all gamers," said John Yamamoto, president and chief executive officer of Square Enix, Inc. and Square Enix Ltd., "Our new partnerships with companies such as Double Helix, Gas Powered Games and Wargaming.net are a testament to our commitment to offer a much broader variety of games across different genres. All while Square Enix remains unchanged in the quality and depth of story we bring to all of the games we publish. We look forward to showcasing the results of these partnerships at E3 2009 as well as several much awaited FINAL FANTASY titles and KINGDOM HEARTS 358/2 Days."

E3 2009 Lineup

DISSIDIA FINAL FANTASY
Developer: Square Enix Co., Ltd.
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platform: PSP (PlayStation Portable) system
Genre: Action-RPG
ESRB: T (Teen)
Street Date: August 25, 2009*

DISSIDIA FINAL FANTASY does what no other FINAL FANTASY title has done before, bringing together an all-star cast to give players a chance to see their favorite FINAL FANTASY characters engage in high-intensity battles. Experience this renowned franchise, which has shipped over 85 million units worldwide, in a brand new light with this dramatic 3-D action game. Soar through expansive environments and participate in gripping combat, all while enjoying RPG-based character development that adds a rich layer of depth to the story behind the clashing forces. The battle between good and evil begins – What will you fight for?


FINAL FANTASY XIII
Developer: Square Enix Co., Ltd.
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platform: PLAYSTATION 3 computer entertainment system/
Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system from Microsoft
Genre: RPG
ESRB: Not Yet Rated
Ship Date: 2010

Square Enix proudly presents FINAL FANTASY XIII, the latest installment in the world-renowned FINAL FANTASY series. To celebrate the 13th numbered release in the series, Square Enix has undertaken a colossal project involving the development of various content for multiple platforms. FABULA NOVA CRYSTALLIS , defined in Latin as "the new tale of the crystal," is made up of several different titles based on variations of the FINAL FANTASY XIII universe. While each title in the project features different characters, different worlds and different stories, all are ultimately based on and expand upon a common mythos.

In FINAL FANTASY XIII, players will embark on a journey through the cityworld of Cocoon and the outerworld of Pulse, encountering and fighting alongside a diverse group of allies. Execute powerful attacks with weapons and magic, and summon the enigmatic Eidolons with an evolved Active Time Battle system. Experience seamless transitions between real-time gameplay and in-game cinematics. Do you have the courage to face your destiny?


FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES: THE CRYSTAL BEARERS
Developer: Square Enix Co., Ltd.
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platform: Wii
Genre: Action-Adventure
ESRB: Not Yet Rated
Ship Date: TBA

FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES: THE CRYSTAL BEARERS provides a fresh take on the FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES series as it combines the storytelling depth, expansive world and graphical quality of FINAL FANTASY with motion-driven, real-time action gameplay. In this world, realistic gameplay and fantastical art direction are brought together for a truly unique experience for Wii users around the globe.



FRONT MISSION EVOLVED
Developer: Double Helix Games
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platforms: PLAYSTATION 3/Xbox 360/Windows PC
Genre: Third-Person Shooter
ESRB: Not Yet Rated
Ship Date: TBA

From the creative minds of Square Enix and Double Helix Games, FRONT MISSION EVOLVED brings the classic FRONT MISSION franchise into an action-packed third-person shooter that gives players full control of a massive humanoid war machine—the wanzer. Players will battle through intense combat situations as they explore an immersive world in both the single player campaign and online multiplayer.


KINGDOM HEARTS 358/2 Days
Developer: Square Enix Co., Ltd./h.a.n.d.
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platform: Nintendo DS
Genre: Action-RPG
ESRB: RP (Rating Pending)
Ship Date: Fall 2009

Uncover the events that took place during the year Sora was asleep regaining his lost memories. KINGDOM HEARTS 358/2 Days revolves around Roxas, the "other" hero from KINGDOM HEARTS II, and his days as a member of Organization XIII. Follow Roxas and the rest of Organization XIII across the various Disney Worlds, and discover the connection between him, Sora and the mysterious 14th member, and the reasons behind his eventual departure from the organization. KINGDOM HEARTS 358/2 Days also features a multiplayer mode for the first time, allowing players to control their favorite Organization XIII members!



NIER
Developer: cavia, Inc.
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platforms: PLAYSTATION 3/ Xbox 360
Genre: Action-Adventure
ESRB: Not Yet Rated
Ship Date: 2010

Nothing is as it seems in Square Enix's latest action adventure game, set in a crumbling world plagued by disease and dark, unrecognizable creatures. Players assume the role of the unyielding protagonist, NIER, resolute in his quest to discover a cure for his daughter, who is infected with the Black Scrawl virus. With powerful allies and a mysterious book, NIER encounters things that will confound even the mightiest of warriors.


ORDER OF WAR
Developer: Wargaming.net
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platform: Windows PC
Genre: Real-Time Strategy
ESRB: Not Yet Rated
Ship Date: Fall 2009

Square Enix teams up with strategy game specialist Wargaming.net to present ORDER OF WAR, a brand-new IP set for a simultaneous release across multiple territories. Developed exclusively for Windows PC, the game features massive-scale battles brought to life with a cinematic intensity never seen before in a WWII strategy game. Players will take command of an entire army including ground troops, artillery, tank divisions and aircraft in all-out strategic assaults. The single-player mode can be played out in two campaigns – American versus German forces on the western front and German versus Russian on the eastern front. Missions will be based on key historic events and operations from 1944.


SUPREME COMMANDER 2
Developer: Gas Powered Games
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platforms: Xbox 360/Windows PC
Genre: Real-Time Strategy
ESRB: Not Yet Rated
Ship date: 2010

Experience brutal battles on a massive scale! In SUPREME COMMANDER 2, players will wage war by creating enormous customizable armies and experimental war machines that can change the balance of power at any given moment. Take the role of one of the three enigmatic commanders, each representing a unique faction with a rich story that brings a new level of emotional connection to the RTS genre, or fight the battle online. Where do your loyalties lie?


Downloadable Titles

FINAL FANTASY IV: THE AFTER YEARS
Developer: Square Enix Co., Ltd.
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platform: Wii
Genre: RPG
ESRB: E (Everyone)
Launch Date: June 1, 2009

A true sequel to the classic Super NES title, FINAL FANTASY IV: THE AFTER YEARS is an episodic game coming exclusively to Nintendo's WiiWare service June 1, 2009. With both single and multiplayer modes, Wii users will now be able to explore the world of FINAL FANTASY IV with up to three of their friends and coordinate commands into a single attack. Unravel a mystery told through the intertwining stories of a familiar cast of characters, and complete the FINAL FANTASY IV experience with this latest installment in the franchise.



FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES: My Life as a Darklord
Developer: Square Enix Co., Ltd.
Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.
Platform: Wii
Genre: Real-Time Strategy
ESRB: E10+ (Everyone 10 and older)
Launch Date: 2009

The latest installment in the FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES franchise for Nintendo's WiiWare service, FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES: My Life as a Darklord turns the tables on players by challenging them to take on the role of the villain. As the newly appointed Darklord with a mission to take over the world, players must strategically place monsters and traps inside their tower to ward off invading adventurers. With this follow-up to the kingdom-building simulation FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES: My Life as a King , Wii users can now enjoy the FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES world from an entirely new point of view!
So I believe the answer is yes
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 29, 2009, 06:27:17 PM
Yes! It has been a while since it was at E3.
Title: 3 Pre E3 rumors
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2009, 09:59:47 PM
3 Pre E3 rumors

1.) A new Pokemon Wii game (most likely a new Colosseum game)
2.) DSi Virtual Console
3.) Pokemon Red and Blue on DSi Virtual Console connecting with Pokemon Stadium (N64) on virtual console
Title: Re: 3 Pre E3 rumors
Post by: Stratos on May 29, 2009, 10:47:16 PM
3 Pre E3 rumors

1.) A new Pokemon Wii game (most likely a new Colosseum game)
2.) DSi Virtual Console
3.) Pokemon Red and Blue on DSi Virtual Console connecting with Pokemon Stadium (N64) on virtual console

Curious. I'd like to see more VC games use inter-console connectivity. Heck, I'd like to see more connectivity period. Where's my WiiWare Pac-Man Versus? That would be pure money for them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2009, 10:53:22 PM
That is proabaly the game that is gonna be the1st WiiWare + DSiWare combo game.
Or an online multi-player WiiWare game.

I'm really surprised Nintendo hasn't done anything with it at all. I never played it, but the concept seemed really cool.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 05, 2009, 03:10:53 PM
Word on the streets is that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is coming to the Wii

Pre-orders are being taken and Wii display boxes have been spotted.
This was thought of as a possibility before E3, but not much has been said since.

I hope that not only is it true, but it gets released at the same time as the HD versions and advertised too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on July 05, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
The Call of Duty games have sold fairly well on Wii, haven't they? If that's the case then this is likely true.
How far after the other systems' release dates were the Wii versions of the previous games released?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on July 05, 2009, 03:27:35 PM
I hope if we get COD WaW it has voice chat support.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on July 06, 2009, 02:59:52 AM
If they want to meet their goal of "biggest sales ever" they'll have to offer a Wii version.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on July 06, 2009, 03:03:15 AM
If they want to meet their goal of "biggest sales ever" they'll have to offer a Wii version.

And add VoiceChat if they want it to sell better than the last one. I don't think I can buy another Wii shooter without it not that I've tasted it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 06, 2009, 12:36:05 PM
Word on the streets is that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is coming to the Wii

Pre-orders are being taken and Wii display boxes have been spotted.
This was thought of as a possibility before E3, but not much has been said since.

I hope that not only is it true, but it gets released at the same time as the HD versions and advertised too.

The existence of Quantum of Solace was also this myterious, and we all know the diarrhea ice cream it turned out to be.  Show me this is true, Activision.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2009, 10:45:04 PM
Factor 5 to bring Multiple games to Wii - Rogue Squadron Wii & Pilot Wings (http://www.unseen64.net/2009/05/14/f5s-flight-project-wii-prototype/) on the way!!??

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/achim-moller/10/418/603
Quote

Achim Moller
CEO Factor 5 GmbH Germany / R&D Lead Engineer

Experience
Multiple unannounced Wii-Titles (2009)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on July 14, 2009, 10:59:57 PM
I'd kill for both of those games. I would really like to see what F5 does with the Wii graphically.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on July 15, 2009, 01:58:11 AM
All these constant Pilotwing rumours are tearing my heart apart. How long must I wait?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on July 15, 2009, 02:43:58 AM
I would be really surprised if they didn't make a RS game. Unless the current legal shenanigans get in the way.

I'd actually be interested in a RS Remake Trilogy akin to the Prime one. Though I'd really want the N64 one to be fully brought up to current graphical standards. I'd also like the Battle for Naboo to be thrown in as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2009, 03:28:43 AM
Supposedly a RS Trilogy was already completed for Xbox and never released, they already did a test port of RS3 for Wii, and its already been revealed that they have been working on a Wii version of Rogue Squadron when we found out that they transferred the development over to Whitehaven LLC. So I would be surprised if RS didn't make its way to Wii too.

We also know that they were working on something that could've been Pilot Wings, and we also know that they atleast pitched Icarus over to Nintendo. Its also possible that they could be working on a new StarFox game as that would be right up their alley.
Title: SteamPunk Disney - Epic Mickey - Warren Spectre
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2009, 08:14:31 PM
The game we all want and didn't even know it? - Super Annutation (http://supererogatory.tumblr.com/post/151380920) coming through again.

Warren Spectre & Disney/Pixar working on "Epic Mickey" for the Wii?
Quote
http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/film_tv_thmbs.html
Amongst other non-ludological things, concept art for an “interactive game” called “Epic Mickey.”

Seems to lend some credibility to that story from late last year about a Warren Spector-developed, steampunk-themed title of the same name. I really, really, really hope this is being fully realized, or I’ll be very sad.

(http://i27.tinypic.com/11bltmf.jpg) (http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/web_pages/epicmickey/seatransport.html)

(http://i27.tinypic.com/15drodt.jpg) (http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/web_pages/epicmickey/zombie01.html)  (http://i30.tinypic.com/zocg1g.jpg) (http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/web_pages/epicmickey/beetleworx.html)

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2e3u34x.jpg) (http://web.mac.com/askbotboy/Site/Environ_concept_3.html)

Gamasutra.com (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21537) ran a story on this game in Dec. of 2008. They also ran posted more in an interview with Warren Spectre @ E3 (http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23916).

And here is a pic straight from the Junction Point Studio website
(http://www.junctionpoint.com/images/office.jpg)
(http://i31.tinypic.com/nn2jh4.jpg) (http://www.junctionpoint.com/images/office.jpg)

Quote from: JunctionPointStudio.com
Boy, do we wish we could talk about what we're working on. Soon… Soon…

To quote Warren: "When we DO announce what we're doing, half the world's going to think we're crazy and half the world's going to think it's the coolest thing since sliced bread–how great is that?!"

(http://i26.tinypic.com/wcdagi.jpg) (http://www.tonypulham.com/Pages/resume.html)

1up has an article up on this game as well (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175362)

*all pics in this post are a link*
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on July 29, 2009, 10:34:58 PM
This rumored game just screams Lucasarts point n' click. WiiMotion+ to be included?

Frankly, I'm more worried about the Disney company part mucking it up. Executive Meddling is my biggest fear when it comes to game companies supporting big releases. The only time I found this trope to be approprite was Retro's mess during Prime 1's development, and we all know how that turned out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 29, 2009, 10:38:15 PM
The game we all want and didn't even know it? - Super Annutation (http://supererogatory.tumblr.com/post/151380920) coming through again.

Warren Spectre & Disney/Pixar working on "Epic Mickey" for the Wii?
Quote
http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/film_tv_thmbs.html
Amongst other non-ludological things, concept art for an “interactive game” called “Epic Mickey.”

Seems to lend some credibility to that story from late last year about a Warren Spector-developed, steampunk-themed title of the same name. I really, really, really hope this is being fully realized, or I’ll be very sad.

(http://i27.tinypic.com/11bltmf.jpg) (http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/web_pages/epicmickey/seatransport.html)

(http://i27.tinypic.com/15drodt.jpg) (http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/web_pages/epicmickey/zombie01.html)  (http://i30.tinypic.com/zocg1g.jpg) (http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/web_pages/epicmickey/beetleworx.html)

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2e3u34x.jpg) (http://web.mac.com/askbotboy/Site/Environ_concept_3.html)

Gamasutra.com (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21537) ran a story on this game in Dec. of 2008. They also ran posted more in an interview with Warren Spectre @ E3 (http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23916).

And here is a pic straight from the Junction Point Studio website
(http://www.junctionpoint.com/images/office.jpg)
(http://i31.tinypic.com/nn2jh4.jpg) (http://www.junctionpoint.com/images/office.jpg)

Quote from: JunctionPointStudio.com
Boy, do we wish we could talk about what we're working on. Soon… Soon…

To quote Warren: "When we DO announce what we're doing, half the world's going to think we're crazy and half the world's going to think it's the coolest thing since sliced bread–how great is that?!"

(http://i26.tinypic.com/wcdagi.jpg) (http://www.tonypulham.com/Pages/resume.html)

1up has an article up on this game as well (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175362)

*all pics in this post are a link*


That is pretty crazy concept art.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on July 29, 2009, 10:49:18 PM
Pixar helping them out?

It might be The Dig all over again, and hopefully that's a good thing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on July 30, 2009, 04:33:41 PM
That looks pretty cool.  I am interested at this point.  Let's hope the final product (if it does surface) is just as good as this looks like it will be.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on July 31, 2009, 01:32:00 AM
It looks like Kingdom Hearts without the Nomura hair and zippers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on July 31, 2009, 01:45:26 AM
It looks like Kingdom Hearts without the Nomura hair and zippers.

I thought the same thing, only there's no way in hell Disney would ever OK a Goofy that looked like the one in that concept art.  That thing's the stuff of kids' nightmares, or Michael Bay's wildest dreams.  :rolleyes:

What's with the wierd choice of Disney Theme park landmarks sitting on the back on Monstro (?) in that concept art?  The Ear-ful Tower and Hollywood Tower Hotel from MGM (I refuse to call that thing "Hollywood Studios"), Spaceship Earth from Epcot, and Big Thunder Mountain from the Magic Kingdom?  Wierd choices.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BwrJim! on July 31, 2009, 02:15:36 AM
wierd choices or beware when animatronics attack
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on July 31, 2009, 02:18:08 AM
wierd choices or beware when animatronics attack

Hey, when Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down the pirates don't eat the tourists!  Or do they...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on July 31, 2009, 04:16:54 AM
Pixar helping them out?

It might be The Dig all over again, and hopefully that's a good thing.

Anything even remotely as awesome as The Dig is win in my book. Yay!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on July 31, 2009, 06:55:49 AM
This looks pretty cool actually.

It reminds me of Itchy and Scratchy land. (God I wish itchy and scratchy land existed)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on July 31, 2009, 01:59:28 PM
This looks pretty cool actually.

It reminds me of Itchy and Scratchy land. (God I wish itchy and scratchy land existed)

I don't see why they just didn't build a small one (even if it was temporary) in like Six Flags or something at the height of the Simpsons popularity. I mean what could posibli go wrong?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on July 31, 2009, 03:54:51 PM
This looks pretty cool actually.

It reminds me of Itchy and Scratchy land. (God I wish itchy and scratchy land existed)

I don't see why they just didn't build a small one (even if it was temporary) in like Six Flags or something at the height of the Simpsons popularity. I mean what could posibli go wrong?

I see what you did there. (though I still agree)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on August 02, 2009, 09:51:00 AM
Did what where? Oh my typo? Hm.. that's the first thing that's ever gone wrong.. ;)

God I love the simpsons!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2009, 12:41:25 AM
Word on the streets is that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is coming to the Wii

Pre-orders are being taken and Wii display boxes have been spotted.
This was thought of as a possibility before E3, but not much has been said since.

I hope that not only is it true, but it gets released at the same time as the HD versions and advertised too.

This turned out to be kinda true.... kinda

CoD:MW1 is coming this fall/winter '09.
Close release with MW2 on PS360 & no details on if it contains everything the HD versions did, such as DLC & all multiplayer modes (on & offline).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: kraken613 on August 05, 2009, 01:31:51 AM
Being ported by Treyarch is the rumor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 05, 2009, 02:03:50 AM
I'm actually more likely to buy that than a ported Modern Warfare 2 since I never played it and I'm buying MW2 for 360 to play with friends.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on August 05, 2009, 02:21:09 AM
I only have the DS version of CoD4 and that's just boring. I hope the Wii version will be better.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: kraken613 on August 05, 2009, 03:15:42 AM
You need to play the PC, 360, or PS3 version of CoD4!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on August 05, 2009, 03:25:12 AM
Yes but that's too expensive in the few stores that still stock it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: kraken613 on August 05, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
I bet the Wii version will be $50.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2009, 02:53:25 AM
You need to play the PC, 360, or PS3 version of CoD4!

I'd rather play it with good controls.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on August 06, 2009, 03:30:00 AM
You need to play the PC, 360, or PS3 version of CoD4!

I'd rather play it with good controls.

Same here.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on August 06, 2009, 05:39:20 AM
You need to play the PC, 360, or PS3 version of CoD4!

I'd rather play it with good controls.

He did say PC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2009, 05:43:47 AM
You need to play the PC, 360, or PS3 version of CoD4!

I'd rather play it with good controls.

He did say PC.

I hate PC FPS controls. I'll play a game with dual analog if I want to play it enough but I'd rather not play a FPS if the only option is mouse and keyboard, no matter how good it is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 06, 2009, 12:27:15 PM
ahahahaha
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
I'll admit that the PC setup is technically better and is certainly more accurate, but something about it never lets me get comfortable with it and doesn't let me have any fun while using it. I know, I'm weird.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: kraken613 on August 06, 2009, 03:43:45 PM
You would rather play it with crappy graphics?!?!?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on August 06, 2009, 03:47:04 PM
You would rather play it with crappy graphics?!?!?

Not everyone is a graphix-whore, Kraken.

I actually prefer using an analog stick for running and strafing versus the WASD keys.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 06, 2009, 03:50:03 PM
You would rather play it with crappy graphics?!?!?

That pretty much sets in stone Activision will do a crappy job.  What a crappy company.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BwrJim! on August 06, 2009, 04:17:21 PM
Just leave them aLONE..

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 13, 2009, 12:57:23 PM
It appears that even though 8ing has just released Full Metal Alchemist: Prince of the Dawn today(in Japan), they might be releasing a sequel to it in about 6 months (Winter 2010)

Quote from: FMA:PotD booklet
そして今冬『鋼の錬金術師 FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST -黄昏の少女-』発売決定。
シナリオは続き物のようです。
translates to: "Full Metal Alchemist - Girl of the Dusk -"

Siliconera (http://www.siliconera.com/2009/08/13/another-fullmetal-alchemist-game-coming-to-wii/) has is also reporting this as "Fullmetal Alchemist: Twilight Maiden"
Title: rumor: StarFox Wii: Battle for Corneria
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2009, 05:25:16 PM
According to a turkish website, it appears that StarFox Wii is going to be revealed in the next Nintendo Power

rumored title: Star Fox Wii: Battle for Corneria
rumored features: Motion Plus support, WiiSpeak support & Online Battle Mode

(http://i27.tinypic.com/1692nox.jpg)

Souce: nintendocuc.com (http://www.nintendocu.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1250871116&archive=&start_from=&ucat=3)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on August 27, 2009, 05:53:08 PM
According to a turkish website, it appears that StarFox Wii is going to be revealed in the next Nintendo Power

rumored title: Star Fox Wii: Battle for Corneria
rumored features: Motion Plus support, WiiSpeak support & Online Battle Mode

(http://i27.tinypic.com/1692nox.jpg)
Souce: nintendocuc.com

Fuckin TITS!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 27, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
I haven't gotten my NP yet but I will fill you in on any info that I come across.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on August 27, 2009, 06:13:48 PM
The Wii is due for a Star Fox game so I wouldn't be surprised if that's true. In fact, I might be kind of surprised if it turns out to NOT be true. It doesn't interest me though but I know it would make many people happy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
I haven't gotten my NP yet but I will fill you in on any info that I come across.

I can't read the exact wording of the source, in the original post that Stogi quoted (waiting for approval), but it didn't say if it was the issue about to come out, or the one after that, because there are two covers on the source page. Was the last issues cover Silent Hill?

edit: apparently the last issue was Avatar, so maybe SF will be next months reveal
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Urkel on August 27, 2009, 06:24:02 PM
Fake (http://nintendopower.com/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on August 28, 2009, 03:54:55 AM
I really want a SF game after playing the Airplane Dogfight mode in Resort. It would be awesome.

Maxi, check the next issue preview page because maybe they are referring to the month after the Avatar issue.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 28, 2009, 06:09:32 AM
I haven't gotten my NP yet but I will fill you in on any info that I come across.

I can't read the exact wording of the source, in the original post that Stogi quoted (waiting for approval), but it didn't say if it was the issue about to come out, or the one after that, because there are two covers on the source page. Was the last issues cover Silent Hill?

edit: apparently the last issue was Avatar, so maybe SF will be next months reveal
The Avatar issue is the next one that I am going to receive. The most recent issue that I got was The Crystal Bearers issue which I can't find atm.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on August 28, 2009, 02:48:03 PM
Oh man oh man oh man! Rumor about Star Fox!?!?!?!?!?!?!? YAHOOO! Just the fact that something Star Fox came up fills me with joy! Real or not!

Man I enjoyed command mission, but just give us more on rails dodging obsticle action! With an awesome multiplayer! Please if this is true, let a Nintendo Developer handle this please!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on August 28, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
Ninja Turtles Getting Re-Shelled On The Nintendo DSi?

The Australian Office of Film and Literature Classification has added a separate rating from the XBLA and PSN versions specific to the Nintendo DSi. It appears that it will be developed by Ubisoft Singapore, who are the people behind its console cousin.

http://www.gamerbytes.com/2009/08/ninja_turtles_getting_reshelle.php
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on August 29, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
Wow Ubi, if you do this you would've missed a great opportunity by re-releasing/remaking the Arcade Game and Turtles In Time SNES on the WII.

*facepalm*
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on August 29, 2009, 02:58:48 PM
Wii Speak support in a Nintendo sequel to Star Fox? I doubt it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on August 29, 2009, 05:35:17 PM
Wii Speak support in a Nintendo sequel to Star Fox? I doubt it.

Why?

I've been waiting for an online dogfights or co-op for star fox with voice chat since SF64... though now, you'll propbably have to many idiots shoutinf "do a barrel roll!" Or "fox! Get this guy off me!" Ugh

BnM: sorry I couldn't post the news for you sooner, I haven't checked in on the forums until today. My apologies.

I didn't check the "fake" link someone else posted, but even if it is fake we can have fun speculating, since star fox is bound to appear on wii anyway. My bif question is how wil motion plus be used in the game? I don't have M+ yet so I don't know how much it changes controls,so I can't really comment on what it can or can't do..

Though I will rehash an old idea I had of star fox using the wiimote in a flightstick position. Id assume M+ would allow for greater precision in this regard. Also, knowing what nintendos peripheral strategy is like these days, it'd be easy to assume this would be a perfect chance to release a new controller shell! A base that let's a M+ enabled controller to fit in upright as a flight stick, and perhaps buttons to replace those on the nunchuk or a slot for the nunchuk to be used comfortably with it?

Cmon, you know nintendo would do it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on August 29, 2009, 07:14:17 PM
Exactly what would Motion + be needed for in an on-rails, never-leave-the-cockpit Star Fox game?  Zack & Wiki showed that you can already do the flight stick thing with the Wiimote fairly accurately, and either the nunchuck's analog stick or the Wiimote pointer could handle movement just fine.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on August 29, 2009, 07:26:11 PM
Exactly what would Motion + be needed for in an on-rails, never-leave-the-cockpit Star Fox game?  Zack & Wiki showed that you can already do the flight stick thing with the Wiimote fairly accurately, and either the nunchuck's analog stick or the Wiimote pointer could handle movement just fine.

Never played zach & wiki.

Can anyone think of a reason m+ would be needed or how it could make the game control?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 30, 2009, 01:33:08 AM
Exactly what would Motion + be needed for in an on-rails, never-leave-the-cockpit Star Fox game?  Zack & Wiki showed that you can already do the flight stick thing with the Wiimote fairly accurately, and either the nunchuck's analog stick or the Wiimote pointer could handle movement just fine.

The only way I can see a Wii MotionPlus Star Fox is if they make the game similar to the air plane mini game in Wii Sports Resort.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on August 30, 2009, 11:29:04 AM
How did they prove that the Star Fox game was fake? Because that wasn't the next Nintendo Power cover?

With Wii Motion pluss I thought we could have a one handed Star Fox game. Wonder if that would be any fun. Seems like with the 64 set up you could do it all on one hand with the pointer. I would love that only if it felt as tight as SF64.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on August 30, 2009, 01:52:33 PM
Wii Speak support in a Nintendo sequel to Star Fox? I doubt it.

Why?

Because Nintendo is always extremely conservative with online features.

Can anyone think of a reason m+ would be needed or how it could make the game control?

Nope, Wing Island controls just fine without M+
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 30, 2009, 02:31:20 PM
Ever play the Star Fox fake in Wario Ware Smooth Mooves? It controlled awesome and it was fun to play.

Also, they had that sweet position "Mortar and Pestle" which was essentially a flight stick, and that worked excellent.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on August 31, 2009, 06:41:27 PM
Exactly what would Motion + be needed for in an on-rails, never-leave-the-cockpit Star Fox game?  Zack & Wiki showed that you can already do the flight stick thing with the Wiimote fairly accurately, and either the nunchuck's analog stick or the Wiimote pointer could handle movement just fine.

The only way I can see a Wii MotionPlus Star Fox is if they make the game similar to the air plane mini game in Wii Sports Resort.

After playing the Resort Dogfight mode I felt that this is how SF Wii has to play. It would be fun and intuitive.

Also, the 'fake' link doesn't explicitly prove the rumor is debunked. Print magazines handle things differently from online news sites and they can and regularly do push back features to later issues for a number of reasons.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on August 31, 2009, 07:12:15 PM
Isn't Nintendo's conference in October though? We might see it there... or not.

I just don't want Q Games touching the Star Fox IP. Ever again. I don't like playing fan fiction on my Nintendo DS. =/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on August 31, 2009, 07:33:23 PM
Wii Speak support in a Nintendo sequel to Star Fox? I doubt it.

Why?

Because Nintendo is always extremely conservative with online features.

Can anyone think of a reason m+ would be needed or how it could make the game control?

Nope, Wing Island controls just fine without M+

I'll give you the second one if only because i've yet to play WiiSports Resort (i know i'm a horrible fanboy, whatever) but the second one... its not like wiispeak support would be something unreasonable or out of place as an online component for a Star Fox game. I'll have to disagree with you on that one, definately.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 01, 2009, 03:51:34 AM
I don't remember there being a DS Rumor thread, so I'll just post this here.

DSi Only games to hit retail this fall. Nintendo to let 3rd parties lead the way. (http://kotaku.com/5184277/nintendo-plans-nintendo-dsi-enhanced-game-cards-with-dsi+only-features-dsi+only-games)
Quote from: Kotaku
Nintendo's Masato Kuwahara, project lead on the Nintendo DSi hardware, revealed that games playable only on the latest revision Nintendo DS were in the works at this year's GDC. Those first DSi-only games will hit this fall, sources tell Kotaku.

Software that will only work on a Nintendo DSi will join titles playable on a Nintendo DS or DS Lite that also feature DSi-specific enhanced capabilities, like Ubisoft's Jam Sessions 2 and My Healthy Cooking Coach. Games and apps that will only be playable on a DSi will be visually distinct from past product, sources say.

Those DSi-only games will be packaged in all-white game cases, making them stand out from the standard dark gray cases of currently available Nintendo DS games. Those cases will sport a warning that the software is only compatible with the Nintendo DSi. DSi-only game cards themselves will use a similar white plastic, but it's unclear if those re-colored cards will have any difficulty fitting into a DS or DS Lite cartridge slot.

Another unknown is if DSi-only software will take advantage of the expanded tech specs unique to the Nintendo DSi.

It appears that, like Wii MotionPlus, that Nintendo will be letting third-party publishers take the lead in offering DSi-only software. Nintendo itself has offered plenty of downloadable DSiWare games that are system specific, but it has yet to announce any DSi-only retail games as part of its future lineup. Still a risky proposition, considering the comparatively smaller userbase of the DSi platform and the possibility for consumer confusion.

We contacted Nintendo for comment on the introduction of DSi-only games this year, but the company did not respond to requests before publishing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on September 01, 2009, 01:49:21 PM
They may convince me to get a DSi before the year ends depending on what comes out this Fall.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GearBoxClock on September 02, 2009, 11:11:00 PM
If I had more money, I'd get a DSi. Alas, Warhammer 40,000 has stolen all my funds
Title: Wii Price Drop!? according to Kotaku there is.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 11, 2009, 11:26:59 PM
Wii to get a Price Drop!?

http://kotaku.com/5357766/wii-price-drop-looks-to-hit-first-week-of-october
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Advance retail listings forwarded to Kotaku indicate that Nintendo is planning to issue its first price drop on the Wii, with a less expensive version of the console—currently priced at $249 USD—coming the first week of October.

That listing comes from an early version of a Walmart ad that loosely dates, but does not price a "rollback" for Nintendo's console. While the ad is not official confirmation of a price drop, the timing makes sense, as the Wii is about to enter its fourth holiday shopping season at its original price.

Should Nintendo announce a price drop prior to October, it has a venue at which to do it. The company will be participating at the Kyoto Cross Media Experience 2009, a multimedia event that runs September 26th to October 4th, overlapping with the Tokyo Game Show.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 11, 2009, 11:36:51 PM
$5 OFF WITH A $10 STARBUCKS GIFT CARD!

WOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 11, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
The Wal-Mart thing could just be a store special or something.

I still have my doubts about a price drop, but neither outcome would surprise me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 01:38:05 AM
I hope that price drop comes with a new color.
Both are long overdue.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on September 12, 2009, 02:56:18 AM
Most likely a store special. Nintendo has no reason to drop the price (and no, "electronics should just drop in price" doesn't count as one). They never did with the DS either. Why would they drop the price when they've got another killer app coming up and one that's already released still waiting to kick in (Nintendo states a 6-8 week delay between the release and effect of a killer app)?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 12, 2009, 04:28:46 AM
As much as people don't like Nintendo's recent policy of not lowering prices it does make good business sense. I don't think a price drop sells enough more Wiis in the long run to justify it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on September 12, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
I have no plans on buying a second Wii to be honest, and the only way I'd be tempted by a lower price is if it also came in BLACK. Even then, it'd be hard to twist my arm and get a second one unless Reggie himself came to do the twisting.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 12, 2009, 02:13:30 PM
I'd buy a new Wii only if mine broke and couldn't be repaired without wiping the internal memory.

I'd really like to see a price drop on the Wiimotes and some new colours too. I want a pink one and a blue one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 12, 2009, 02:49:10 PM
Of course there's reason to drop the price. Sales are way down from last year. A price drop doesn't affect most of us directly though since we have one already. More sales may encourage better games. It hasn't really thus far, but it might.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
I'm actually surprised Nintendo hasn't released more special limited edition colored controllers with certain games, like those that need help selling.

Like a Red Wiimote & nunchuck pack-in with Punchout! to simulate red boxing gloves.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: grantimus on September 12, 2009, 04:26:09 PM
I would love to see a price drop, and the inclusion of Wii Sports Resort and a Wii Motion plus with the console.  Say it's at $199, that would explode Wii sales, IMO.  I also want to see this because I want Motion plus to become the standard, not just a peripheral.  Hopefully in October, Nintendo announce that Metroid: Other M uses the thing, and I'd love to hear a confirmation about Zelda, as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 12, 2009, 04:43:23 PM
I believe that Team Ninja ruled out MotionPlus support in Metroid Other M.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 12, 2009, 05:07:14 PM
It has been known for a while that Zelda is going to use Motion+
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 12, 2009, 05:30:30 PM
It has been known for a while that Zelda is going to use Motion+
I thought they said they were just experimenting with it and would use it only if they found a good fit for it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 06:20:48 PM
They found a good fit for it (have you not played WSR?), the deciding factor was if M+ had a high enough adoption rate to bother including the feature in Zelda.

WSR alone is probably around 4million WW already, and M+ stand alone sales have been pretty good too from the last data we have of it.
TW10 M+ bundle is the best selling version of TW in the US
GST M+ bundle didn't completely bomb in EUR
Canada is getting a NHL M+ bundle soon
RS2 gets a M+ bundle & there is one other upcoming 3rd party game thats getting a M+ bundle too.

So it's a pretty safe bet that Zelda Wii will probably be M+ exclusive now, with a good chance that it will be bundled in as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 13, 2009, 10:36:42 AM
So it's a pretty safe bet that Zelda Wii will probably be M+ exclusive now, with a good chance that it will be bundled in as well.

Nintendo's rule is if a game requires a peripheral, the game has to have a bundle with that peripheral.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 13, 2009, 01:08:57 PM
I couldn't remember what was said about Zelda, I knew it was something like that.
That's disappointing that it's going to use it but at least it will likely be bundled with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 13, 2009, 01:12:48 PM
Disappointing that Zelda is gonna use M+?
thats good news. Last thing we want is more TLoZ:TP waggle attack
once was enough. Time to raise the bar so that Sony has something to copy for the next Dark Cloud game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 13, 2009, 01:16:13 PM
Well for one thing I'm not really certain what Motion Plus can do since I've never used it.
But either way, if the game has a lot of flailing around then I think it would detract from the experience. I'm not sure if Zelda really benefits from motion control.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 13, 2009, 02:04:31 PM
Go play WiiSports Resort. Consider yourself uninformed on the subject until you do so.

Then go play Zack & Wiki and tell me ho a little M+ wouldn't improve that game, then apply everything you just learned to the next Zelda.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on September 13, 2009, 03:25:15 PM
Mop it, I gotta agree with Blacky, get ahold of motion pluss and feel for yourself. Every time I play resort I get so impressed thinking about future possibilities. I'm also playing Sack and Wiki right now as well, so I can instantly feel the difference when I try to say pick up a up a phone.

If zelda stays in 3rd person and where we swing Link Swings, it would make the game absolutely awesome! I understand how to play the swords game in resort and I absolutely love it. Lnk wouldn't even need to be in first person either, the same camera set up could work just fine.

I know you guys probably talked about this before, but Pilot Wings and Star Fox man. One handed Star Fox can absolutely be done after playing air sports. Just add in a little speed and you've got a great controlling Arwing right there. Submarine would be largely the same, but how about the Tank? WOuldnt be much different right? Can't you just imagine the 12 player Dog fights we are going to have some day? and then for the losers they can have classic controls, but I think the motion pluss makes a flight game like Star Fox absolutely responsive to ones super space shooting needs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 13, 2009, 07:10:04 PM
The difference is Wii Sports Resort is a game you play in short bursts and Zelda is something which takes hours and hours and hours to complete. I just think that if it has motion control then it will because tiresome pretty quickly. This is the same reason why I didn't get Zelda: Twilight Princess for the Wii, although I never could find the GameCube version...

And don't call me "Mop it".
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on September 13, 2009, 07:43:28 PM
And don't call me "Mop it".

Yes ma'am!

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 13, 2009, 07:55:39 PM
That said, I think your underestimating the possibilities M+ entails. You mention that it would get tiring to motion control your swings, and that might be true if you motion controlled all of your sword swings (even the ones you use cut grass and break vases) and maybe that will be the basis of a happy medium. But what about the other times? What about when your fighting a bad guy? M+ can make those fights so much more interesting. For instance, WW and TP brought about enemies that had armor that had to be cut off in a certain way before you could do any damage to them. That simple idea made those enemies unique and fun. With M+, you can broaden that and let the player physically cut an enemy down in a very specific way.

Now those are just random enemies. What about the bosses, side-quests, and games? What about other weapons and tools? All of those can be give a new dimension of control and ability.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 13, 2009, 08:06:15 PM
Lock-on battles using M+ :thumbsup;
Horse back arrow shooting using M+ :thumbsup;
Boomerang throwing :thumbsup;
Puzzle Solving using M+ :thumbsup;
Fishing using M+ :thumbsup;
Canoeing using M+ :thumbsup;
Possible glider use using M+ :thumbsup;

There are many more possibilites, but if you don't think all of that would enhance the Zelda experience, then you haven't seen the potential of M+ through the use of WSR & creativity of Z&W(which doesn't use M+ could benefit from it)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 13, 2009, 09:13:43 PM
It isn't about enhancing the experience, it is about whether it could become tiresome and repetitive because of how lengthy Zelda games are. So long as it isn't too exaggerated then maybe it will be alright. There's not much point speculating about it though, I'm going to wait until some solid information is available before making any judgments. And I'll probably still get it anyway no matter how it turns out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 13, 2009, 10:57:00 PM
It's not like they are gonna use WSR cycling as the method for making Link move around. SHouldn't be too tiresome if used in precision required places.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 13, 2009, 11:06:26 PM
SHouldn't be too tiresome if used in precision required places.

Exactly. We're going to have to wait and see before we know for sure, but one thing I think we can count on is Nintendo's ability to find the balance; the balance between generic and precision.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 13, 2009, 11:39:46 PM
Remember this...

The game we all want and didn't even know it? - Super Annutation (http://supererogatory.tumblr.com/post/151380920) coming through again.

Warren Spectre & Disney/Pixar working on "Epic Mickey" for the Wii?
Quote
http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/film_tv_thmbs.html
Amongst other non-ludological things, concept art for an “interactive game” called “Epic Mickey.”

Seems to lend some credibility to that story from late last year about a Warren Spector-developed, steampunk-themed title of the same name. I really, really, really hope this is being fully realized, or I’ll be very sad.

(http://i27.tinypic.com/11bltmf.jpg) (http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/web_pages/epicmickey/seatransport.html)

(http://i27.tinypic.com/15drodt.jpg) (http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/web_pages/epicmickey/zombie01.html)  (http://i30.tinypic.com/zocg1g.jpg) (http://www.fredgambino.co.uk/web_pages/epicmickey/beetleworx.html)

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2e3u34x.jpg) (http://web.mac.com/askbotboy/Site/Environ_concept_3.html)

Gamasutra.com (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21537) ran a story on this game in Dec. of 2008. They also ran posted more in an interview with Warren Spectre @ E3 (http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23916).

And here is a pic straight from the Junction Point Studio website
(http://www.junctionpoint.com/images/office.jpg)
(http://i31.tinypic.com/nn2jh4.jpg) (http://www.junctionpoint.com/images/office.jpg)

Quote from: JunctionPointStudio.com
Boy, do we wish we could talk about what we're working on. Soon… Soon…

To quote Warren: "When we DO announce what we're doing, half the world's going to think we're crazy and half the world's going to think it's the coolest thing since sliced bread–how great is that?!"

(http://i26.tinypic.com/wcdagi.jpg) (http://www.tonypulham.com/Pages/resume.html)

1up has an article up on this game as well (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175362)

*all pics in this post are a link*

It appears that the next Game Informer is gonna have more info on this game, and hopefully reveal a platform for it.

(http://i31.tinypic.com/24q2vpt.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 13, 2009, 11:48:14 PM
A surrealistically bizarre take on the usually bright Disney universe? Now that seems like a strange concept. I don't know if any Disney fanatics would be happy with a change like that but it might be a hit with the masses. As for me, I'll pass.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 12:15:06 AM
Some details about the game that might change your mind.

Warren Spector was noted to have said that he was working with Disney on a game, it was his dream game, the game he's always wanted to make.

It supposedly a platformer & potential "Mario Killer".

You draw & paint to return the world to normal.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 14, 2009, 12:20:23 AM
You draw & paint to return the world to normal.
That's interesting. The one idea I've ever had for a videogame involved a colourful happy-go-lucky world which was taken over by filth and darkness, and the hero sets out to clean it all up. I guess I shouldn't write it off so prematurely, but I have trouble getting into games with drab art styles. They tend to make me depressed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 12:27:21 AM
1st Details on Epic Mickey from CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=220427)

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We've since been told that it's a Wii-exclusive where you paint your way through levels using the Wii Remote. This 'painting your way' involves you drawing, etching and erasing whole or parts of levels as you go. Capcom's Okami immediately springs to mind but we've not got enough info to go on to make any kind of informed judgement.

As for the story, we've also been told that it'll be based around very old and/or forgotten Disney characters who are out to get their revenge on Mickey, presumably because they're jealous of all his fame and fortune. We Googled 'early Disney characters' and found that Oswald the Lucky Rabbit returned a lot of hits. A bit before even CVG's time all that though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on September 14, 2009, 11:39:20 AM
Go play WiiSports Resort. Consider yourself uninformed on the subject until you do so.

Then go play Zack & Wiki and tell me ho a little M+ wouldn't improve that game, then apply everything you just learned to the next Zelda.

Did you just call her a ho? Wow I can't believe the mods approved that.

And don't call me "Mop it".

Yes ma'am!



Pfft, yet BnM lets you call him "Blacky" and she gives you guff for that? Please.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 02:30:15 PM
Actually I was gonna say something about the "nicknames" but I got distracted by something else.

BNM, BNM2k1, BlackNMild or BlackNMild2k1 are all acceptable. Blacky is not. it almost sounds offensive.
And it was the name of my 1st goldfish when I was young. it was all black.

As far as the typo, LOL, I didn't even notice it. and since you already quoted it, there is no point in fixing it now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 03:05:46 PM
We know that Factor 5 was working on some Wii titles before they closed shop and relocated around the corner under a new name. We re also pretty sure that the only thing they are still working on are 2 Wii games, one of which we are sure is being published by Nintendo and the other one is rumored to be published by Lucas Arts. Here is a little glimpse of what was being worked on.

http://www.reillygames.com/games.htm
Quote from: resume
Factor 5 was my most recent place of employment where I was brought on as a Jr. Game Designer. I was working on an unannounced casual title for the Nintendo Wii.

My main duties were to implement missions based on the activities outlined in the design doc. Most of what I did was to create fun missions/activities using object placement. We had "design kits" which were essentially just a group of assets that were made to function with certain mission types. How they were placed throughout the environment determined the experience given to the player. For example, if a mission was to destroy a number of targets I would vary the mission by changing the number, type, and placement of the targets. The missions were designed to be played in 5-15 minute increments and players had a wide variety of activities to choose from.

...

I loved working on this project because it taught me a lot about designing for casual players as opposed to my previous experience designing for the hardcore players.

...

Now that sounds alot like Pilot Wings to me.

http://drewlanglois.com/resume.html
Quote from: resume
SHIPPED TITLES

-Title Classified- March 2008 to Dec 2008
Developer: Factor 5
Platform: Nintendo Wii
Publisher: Classified
Lead Systems Designer on a casual title for the Wii.

-Title Classified- Aug 2007 to March 2008
Developer: Factor 5
Platform: Nintendo Wii
Publisher: Classified
Lead Designer on a 3rd person shooter featuring ground and arial combat.

More Pilot Wings and some more Rogue Squadron?

http://ryanbond.net/resume/
Quote from: resume
Associate Producer, Engine Tech / Tools / Tech-Art / Build Engineering / Production Test: FACTOR 5, INC.
LAIR(PS3)
UNANNOUNCED WII TITLE 1
UNANNOUNCED MOVIE TIE-IN (PS3, 360, WII) <----- Superman(cancelled)
UNANNOUNCED WII TITLE 2
UNANNOUNCED LICENSED TECHNOLOGY PACKAGE (WINPC).

If my memory serves me correctly, it was back in 2007 that F5 mentioned porting over RS3 to Wii for testing purposes and then in early 2008 they also bragged about how their Wii engine "could do everything the PS3 engine could do... and then some".  Sounds like they were confident in what ever Wii game(s) they were(are) working on.

And if you take Achim Moller (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/achim-moller/10/418/603)'s word, both of these Wii games are still supposed to ship this year:
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Multiple unannounced Wii-Titles (2009)

Quote from: RSWii?
A 3rd person shooter for the Nintendo Wii featuring seamless ground and aerial combat.

Lead a cross-disciplinary team of artists, designers and programmers in the creation of a playable prototype. Major design work included player camera and controls.

Quote from:  Pilotwings or Flight Game?
A highly accessible game for the Nintendo Wii focusing on many of the features unique to the Wii and Factor 5's strengths.

None of this confirms anything ofcourse (duh... rumor thread), but lets hope that both of these get announced soon especially if they are planning on releasing them this year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on September 14, 2009, 03:25:07 PM
Sorry BlackNMild, i've been discussing the Pirate Black Beard allot lately and just been calling him ol blacky. Then when I see your name I just do the same, I guess that is bad, wont happen again.

I'd love to see some flying mechanics with the M+. But if these games have been in development since 07 does that mean M+ wont be included? or is there always time to add such a thing?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2009, 03:40:55 PM
Probably go out of business first.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 14, 2009, 03:41:24 PM
Well if Red Steel 2 did, then they can do it for sure.

And I thought Blacky was hilarious; kinda like KY is for me.

BTW, good **** Blacky (hehe), your really the only one that updates this thread.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 03:48:53 PM
It's all good Caterkiller, I know you didn't mean anything by it, that's why I didn't necessarily make a point of it and was easily distracted away from pointing it out. I only remembered because EC mentioned it.

Pro
If Nintendo is publishing the game, then you can bet that they will have atleast enough money to keep the Pilotwings team going. Same goes for Lucas Arts and the Rogue Squadron team. Both Publishers have deep pockets and own the IP. They've probably already invested so much into either game that they would rather invest a little more to see it released and take a chance at recouping investment before they just let it go and write it off as a loss.

Factor 5 has really botched this whole generation. Why didn't they license out Wii tools to low effort developers? that seemed like the easy money route to take.


BTW, good **** Blacky (hehe), your really the only one that updates this thread.

I'm just one of the last forum member that give the staff news stories to report(uncredited).
they made the most of them staff already.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on September 14, 2009, 04:12:53 PM
Hey I pointed it out cuz i thought it was funny, Blacky, I didn't really think anyone would take offense. Besidies, Caterkiller is half- blacky, half-whitey so cut him some slack :P

I really wish F5 was working on Star Fox instead of Pilot wings.. but thats just me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 04:16:37 PM
It could be StarFox, all that is known is that it is a flying game, but would you consider StarFox casual?

As far as the name Blacky, I just don't like it. Never said I was offended, just that it almost sounds offensive.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on September 14, 2009, 04:22:11 PM
I'm offended by the term whitey.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on September 14, 2009, 04:25:52 PM
He could have been cleverly describing a Wii Fish game.  Targets = fish, destroy = hook.  Placement would indeed matter, as well as number, type, and weight.

Is there a rumor about a serious Wii Fish game?  I'm shocked we haven't seen much since the beginning, when the Wii was fresh and new.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 14, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
I wouldn't want Factor 5 to touch Starfox. Pilotwings is definitely the better choice. They can't possibly **** that up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 04:39:48 PM
I would've thought that SEGA would have a Bass Fishing Tournament+ or something on the way, but I haven't heard or seen anything anywhere about it. Perfect chance for a wiimote snap on attachment with a crank on the side that holds the nunchuck to simulate a fishing rod.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on September 14, 2009, 04:40:41 PM
It could be StarFox, all that is known is that it is a flying game, but would you consider StarFox casual?

As far as the name Blacky, I just don't like it. Never said I was offended, just that it almost sounds offensive.

No i wouldnt consider StarFox casual, which is why I used the word "wish" considering outta the possible nintendo IP's that they could be working on, Pilot Wings makes the most sense as a "casual" title.

I'm still dicking around with the whole Blacky thing, we should just drop it now.

I'm offended by the term whitey.

You hush.

I wouldn't want Factor 5 to touch Starfox. Pilotwings is definitely the better choice. They can't possibly **** that up.

I suppose youre right, but recently I've had an itch for some Starfox damn you Krystal!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 04:42:42 PM

I suppose youre right, but recently I've had an itch for some Starfox damn you Krystal!

Furry? with a lice problem?
I'm sure they have a powder to fix that "itch" for you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 14, 2009, 04:45:30 PM
Don't get me wrong; I'd love a new Starfox. I'd rebuy a Wii to play it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on September 14, 2009, 04:45:53 PM

I suppose youre right, but recently I've had an itch for some Starfox damn you Krystal!

Furry? with a lice problem?
I'm sure they have a powder to fix that "itch" for you.

Furry, no surprisingly she had every very neatly trimmed :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 14, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
I blame the "The Magnificent BlackNMild & the E.S.P Triforce" for every devolved topic on this forum.

C'est la vie
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 05:17:03 PM
Wii to get a Price Drop!?

http://kotaku.com/5357766/wii-price-drop-looks-to-hit-first-week-of-october
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Advance retail listings forwarded to Kotaku indicate that Nintendo is planning to issue its first price drop on the Wii, with a less expensive version of the console—currently priced at $249 USD—coming the first week of October.

That listing comes from an early version of a Walmart ad that loosely dates, but does not price a "rollback" for Nintendo's console. While the ad is not official confirmation of a price drop, the timing makes sense, as the Wii is about to enter its fourth holiday shopping season at its original price.

Should Nintendo announce a price drop prior to October, it has a venue at which to do it. The company will be participating at the Kyoto Cross Media Experience 2009, a multimedia event that runs September 26th to October 4th, overlapping with the Tokyo Game Show.

Toys R Us is getting in on the action too

(http://i29.tinypic.com/wci734.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
Wii didn't drop in price, Wii Sports did, it's obsolete next to Resort.  $50 to $0.  Wii is still super-valued and is just catching up with the price in Japan.

WAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAWAKAKAWAKAWAKA
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on September 14, 2009, 05:36:21 PM
You're right.  That's why it needed gradual price drops, and needs a little more, if you ask me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2009, 05:49:17 PM
I don't hear about Japan getting a price drop, which means $200 is the magick value number.  End of the road, people.  Just like DS, 1 pseudo price drop is all we're getting.

[press] "Sony announces $150 PS3."

[Iwata]  (laughs)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2009, 05:53:42 PM
But Japan don't have a free game packed in.
Japan price drop coming? $189.99 (whatever that converts to Yen as)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2009, 05:57:32 PM
But Japan don't have a free game packed in.
Japan price drop coming? $189.99 (whatever that converts to Yen as)

Since it doesn't have a free game, there's nothing to drop in value.  $200, BAM, stays there.  No drop.  Solidarity.  Victory.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GearBoxClock on September 15, 2009, 04:00:02 PM
A price drop will help sales, especially near the holidays, even if it isn't really a price drop.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 18, 2009, 01:03:25 PM
Wii to get a Price Drop!?

http://kotaku.com/5357766/wii-price-drop-looks-to-hit-first-week-of-october
Quote
Advance retail listings forwarded to Kotaku indicate that Nintendo is planning to issue its first price drop on the Wii, with a less expensive version of the console—currently priced at $249 USD—coming the first week of October.

That listing comes from an early version of a Walmart ad that loosely dates, but does not price a "rollback" for Nintendo's console. While the ad is not official confirmation of a price drop, the timing makes sense, as the Wii is about to enter its fourth holiday shopping season at its original price.

Should Nintendo announce a price drop prior to October, it has a venue at which to do it. The company will be participating at the Kyoto Cross Media Experience 2009, a multimedia event that runs September 26th to October 4th, overlapping with the Tokyo Game Show.

Toys R Us is getting in on the action too

(http://i29.tinypic.com/wci734.jpg)

Target has this in their sights too

(http://i37.tinypic.com/2gya74i.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 19, 2009, 04:06:10 PM
2D Mario (aka Software the Wii was lacking) would've helped sales anyway, regardless of price drop.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BwrJim! on September 19, 2009, 04:09:55 PM
And to add to it, now wii sports can be sold serperatly in america too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2009, 04:26:38 PM
And to add to it, now wii sports can be sold serperatly in america too.

Looks like it's still included though. They either show it or mention it in both pictures.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Guitar Smasher on September 21, 2009, 12:46:34 AM
Looks like their offsetting the cut by letting customers by WiiMotion+ separately.  I figured they'd want everyone to have one automatically, but maybe the $50 reduction is more attractive marketing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 21, 2009, 12:49:38 AM
Pack-in bundles ensure that everyone who needs it will have one. No need to put another in the box.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on September 21, 2009, 03:31:22 AM
And to add to it, now wii sports can be sold serperatly in america too.

Huh? Those ads read "Wii Sports included" from what I can read in that blurry mess.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 21, 2009, 03:46:49 PM
Wii Sports will not be sold separately because Nintendo never intended to supply retail game cases to North America.

NOA REGGIE is the 1550-pt Table Tennis CHAMPION.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 21, 2009, 07:52:24 PM
Well, it is looking like Nintendo has finally caved on a price drop for the system. What are the chances of them introducing a Player's Choice lineup sometime next year or so? With the other two systems boasting an ever-growing library of Greatest/ Platinum Hits, having such a line on Wii might help sales, if it needs it. I'd certainly like to see it, but I also really doubt it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 21, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
I can see Mario Galaxy getting a Player's choice discount along with Brawl, Mario Kart, Wario Ware, and TP.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BwrJim! on September 21, 2009, 11:55:10 PM
i dont think so..  mario party 8 still 50... 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on September 22, 2009, 01:21:41 AM
lol what?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on September 22, 2009, 03:07:05 AM
I can see Mario Galaxy getting a Player's choice discount along with Brawl, Mario Kart, Wario Ware, and TP.

Mario Kart? That's still in the sales charts even without a drop AFAIK.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 22, 2009, 03:10:32 AM
That's true, but by leaving Mario kart out of the Player's choice, you could damage its reputation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 22, 2009, 05:41:59 AM
7.9

What reputation is there to damage?

And if there's no Player's Choice, then game packages won't be soiled by awful labeling.
Title: Friday Sept. 25th
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 23, 2009, 01:03:14 AM
Wii to get a Price Drop!?

http://kotaku.com/5357766/wii-price-drop-looks-to-hit-first-week-of-october
Quote
Advance retail listings forwarded to Kotaku indicate that Nintendo is planning to issue its first price drop on the Wii, with a less expensive version of the console—currently priced at $249 USD—coming the first week of October.

That listing comes from an early version of a Walmart ad that loosely dates, but does not price a "rollback" for Nintendo's console. While the ad is not official confirmation of a price drop, the timing makes sense, as the Wii is about to enter its fourth holiday shopping season at its original price.

Should Nintendo announce a price drop prior to October, it has a venue at which to do it. The company will be participating at the Kyoto Cross Media Experience 2009, a multimedia event that runs September 26th to October 4th, overlapping with the Tokyo Game Show.

Toys R Us is getting in on the action too

(http://i29.tinypic.com/wci734.jpg)

Target has this in their sights too

(http://i37.tinypic.com/2gya74i.jpg)

Wii Price Drop to be Officially Announced on Fri. Sept. 25th?

(http://i38.tinypic.com/214qngy.jpg) (http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/22/wii-price-drop-confirmed-199-starting-this-weekend/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on September 23, 2009, 01:42:52 AM
Unclebob? Confirm or Deny?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on September 23, 2009, 02:57:23 AM
I think he'd get fired if he told anyone.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 23, 2009, 08:49:26 PM
This isn't a rumor (yet) but Capcom is making RE5: Director's Cut adding in extra scenes involving Jill Valentine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbsmcx1vCZw&#t=7m03s).
What are the chances that Capcom is going to finally do for the Wii what it did for the PS2 and release and upgraded version of RE? I'm sure they would release the same game on the PS360 as well, but the Wii version could be the definitive as far as controls are concerned.

I'm just gonna say it here. Capcom is bringing RE5: Directors Cut to Wii and it will be the definitive version (if you're not playing on a HDTV)

now lets hope I'm right. spread the rumor. Maybe Capcom is listening.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 23, 2009, 09:01:08 PM
And have Capcom face the same problem they had with Dead Rising on Wii...no not going to happen.

I would rather have a new Resident Evil game than a port of a game originally designed for a much more powerful system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 23, 2009, 09:19:16 PM
I'd like a game with real content and real game length plz.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on September 24, 2009, 01:08:29 AM
RE5 Director's Cut is for PS3, basically it is support for the Sony Wands.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 24, 2009, 02:23:04 AM
RE5 Director's Cut is for PS3, basically it is support for the Sony Wands.

Capcom better take this opportunity to bring RE5 to the Wii.
It makes no sense to bring the whole RE franchise to Wii and then decide to skip out on RE5 especially when they make a DC version that is focused on Wii-like controls.

I'm starting the rumor here, so I hope Capcom is listening.
Resident Evil 5: Director's Cut is coming to Wii
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on September 24, 2009, 03:30:32 AM
And have Capcom face the same problem they had with Dead Rising on Wii...no not going to happen.

I would rather have a new Resident Evil game than a port of a game originally designed for a much more powerful system.

I have to agree here.  Resident Evil 4 was a game slow-moving enough at times.  Unless they do something to speed things up, and make it a bit more "terrifying" at places that are empty, I'd rather they produce something closer to this, anyways.

What's interesting might just be a game that's on rails through the parts where you travel, but with free-range movement for other points.  Although... It seems like I'm talking about StarFox 64 when I read that.

It doesn't seem like a bad formula, though.  The idea would be that the steady, forced progression would make it so you couldn't go slowly enough that you lose the horror factor.  If the code were written well enough, each trip from place to place wouldn't have to be the same, in fact, they could even script out different attack patterns and routes for people who wanted to backtrack, all on rails.

It wouldn't be too bad, especially if this game is successful.  It could even be great.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on September 24, 2009, 04:20:53 AM
What's interesting might just be a game that's on rails through the parts where you travel, but with free-range movement for other points.

Killer 7? Disaster?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on September 24, 2009, 06:09:50 PM
RE5 Director's Cut is for PS3, basically it is support for the Sony Wands.

Capcom better take this opportunity to bring RE5 to the Wii.
It makes no sense to bring the whole RE franchise to Wii and then decide to skip out on RE5 especially when they make a DC version that is focused on Wii-like controls.

I'm starting the rumor here, so I hope Capcom is listening.
Resident Evil 5: Director's Cut is coming to Wii
More likely that we'll see an Umbrella Chronicles style game with RE5:DC storylines and possibly additional content.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 24, 2009, 06:28:21 PM
NO. Resident Evil 5: Director's Cut "Alternate Version" is coming to Wii

RE5: DCAVWii
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 24, 2009, 06:32:35 PM
On-rails Dead Rising Chronicles coming soon.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 29, 2009, 11:50:29 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1556667/holographic-storage-products-developed

My my, what could this lead to?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on September 29, 2009, 12:01:10 PM
Cool. The Wii2 will bring back those 8 cm optical discs that we so lovingly used for the GC. Making everything wii one step at a time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 29, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
Isn't it possible to make it even tinier than the GC disks but still have 5 times the space of a 50gb blu-ray?

I want my games to come in a DS like package. Those are definitely my favorite.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2009, 01:33:48 PM
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1556667/holographic-storage-products-developed

My my, what could this lead to?

too bad Nintendo invested in inPhase Technologies. They have the same tech, only they don't use a BRD to do it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 29, 2009, 09:12:51 PM
Ya, they use a modified DVD drive which is WAY cheaper.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2009, 09:30:02 PM
Heres to hopes that Nintendo & inPhase enter the movie distribution & media format industry as a direct FU to Sony, making the HUGE BRD investment a waste of time and share holder money.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
Why people still want RE5 on the Wii is beyond me... Just get a PS3 already if you want it that bad. The game would suck on the Wii.

I heard the extra content in the Director's Cut involves either or both the flashback where Chris and Jill are trying to arrest Spencer, but Wesker f's that up and Jill "dies" and what happens to Jill after the boss fight where Chris and Sheva pull that device off of Jill's boobs that gives her super strength and speed.

I'm still waiting for Capcom to stop being lame and just make a real RE game on the Wii. Get Ready at Dawn to make it if they're too lazy to do it in house. RaD would probably do a better job anyway...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on October 01, 2009, 11:31:12 AM
Capcom hasn't milked the rehashes dry yet. They need them in order to get budgets for their Highly Dramatic game releases.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on October 01, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
They are now calling it RE5 Alternate Version.  Will the Wii version be called RE5 Less Intense Alternate Version?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 01, 2009, 10:23:18 PM
Reflex Extraction Scholarship Edition Chronicles
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2009, 10:53:42 PM
Rumor: EPIC MICKEY game is based on an unused short that Walt made involving Mickey committing suicide
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There is a rumor going around on Disney fan sites that the idea for this game is based on an unused short film idea Walt came up with that was about what would happen if Mickey committed suicide? and the idea was he would go to this scary animated hell like realm with weird characters and eventually escape somehow (because his body was saved by a mad scientist or something). Supposedly elements of that idea are being incorporated into the game.
Apparently, this is not so unbelievable (the suicide part) since it's not the first time Mickey has dealt with suicide.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/241vv9w.jpg)

and we all know that Disney has a dark side ;)
http://i26.tinypic.com/jv55dl.jpg
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 06, 2009, 11:06:27 PM
Except we all know what happens when G rated animated characters get shot in the face. Daffy Duck has taken many shotgun blasts to the face and he's just fine.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sessha on October 06, 2009, 11:40:16 PM
Two words Stunt Double
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on October 07, 2009, 07:13:52 AM
Except we all know what happens when G rated animated characters get shot in the face. Daffy Duck has taken many shotgun blasts to the face and he's just fine.

Not if it's a serious scene.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on October 07, 2009, 03:04:39 PM
The prevailing NERD theory is all cartoon characters are fifth dimensional imps who are not governed by the laws of physics, but by comedy and story.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 10, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
The prevailing NERD theory is all cartoon characters are fifth dimensional imps who are not governed by the laws of physics, but by comedy and story.

Didn't the Disney cartoon Bonkers the Bobcat kind of cover that strange physical behavior Toons had versus humans? I also remember a humorous episode of Darkwing Duck where Darkwing was trying to explain the different between 'cartoons' and their own 'reality' to his daughter.

So could this game be taking place in Mickeys afterlife? Because he committed suicide it ruined the world in some way and he now has to make it right to redeem himself?

I think of a movie called 'Wrist Cutters Society' (I think it was called that) where all people who commit suicide go to this alternate 'purgatory-like' world similar to ours except no one ever laughs or smiles. It is just a bland life. One guy there apparently thinks his girlfriends is somewhere else in the world and set's out with a friend to find her. It's a really strange movie.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on October 11, 2009, 10:57:33 AM
I think of a movie called 'Wrist Cutters Society' (I think it was called that) where all people who commit suicide go to this alternate 'purgatory-like' world similar to ours except no one ever laughs or smiles. It is just a bland life. One guy there apparently thinks his girlfriends is somewhere else in the world and set's out with a friend to find her. It's a really strange movie.

Sounds like a Hot Topic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 11, 2009, 11:47:10 AM
I didn't find a movie on Netflix that goes by that name.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 11, 2009, 06:12:39 PM
Oops, it's called Wristcutters: A Love Story (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477139/).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 13, 2009, 01:51:06 PM
Nvidia Tegra system on a chip to power Nintendo's Next-Gen DS System? (http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/13/nvidia-tegra-wins-contract-for-next-gen-nintendo-ds.aspx)

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When Jen-Hsun Huang, co-founder and CEO of nVidia announced that he expects to see Tegra capturing 50% of nVidia's revenue within the next couple of years, a lot of people thought that this is a smoke screen to sway the attention from its battles against AMD and Intel.

Incredibly how it may sound, from what we are hearing nVidia is dead on achieving its course. With a very aggressive approach, the company managed to sway not just Microsoft with the Zune HD multimedia player  [based on Tegra APX 2600], but also a long-time IBM and ATI customer - Nintendo.

Launched in 2004, the Nintendo DS and its two latter redesigns [DS Lite and DSi] sold in massive 111.49 million units. With almost 40 million handheld consoles sold in United States alone, Nintendo DS owns 68.3% of worldwide market share.

As the time passed by, Nintendo started to work on the successor of its handheld console with a debut planned for late 2010 [Tokyo Game Show?]. According to our confidential sources, Nintendo is going to use Tegra System-on-Chip processor for the successor of DS/DSi handheld console. Unlike the current design, nVidia offered a single-chip proposal to Nintendo, a company famous for keeping the hardware platform absolutely simple.

Given the fact that Nintendo DS hardware is based upon 16-bit and 32-bit ARM cores, it looks like Next-Gen DS could be backwards compatible with the DS application library. According to our sources, all of the apps that came for old DS could run on a single ARM11 core, yet alone the next-gen CorTex-A9-based Tegra, leaving graphics subsystem to do "something smarter".

[...]

Now, the billion dollar question is: if Nintendo chose nVidia for the handheld console, does that mean nVidia may have an entrance into the lucrative Wii business? Bear in mind that Wii console was sold in 53.97 million units, taking almost half of current console market [48.4%, according to VGchartz.com]. Also, we wonder what is going to be in next-generation PlayStation Portable...

I would love to see Nintendo put some horspower into the next DS even if they themselves don't plan on using much of it for graphical purposes. It would be nice to see developers not having to worry about system constraints right from the start, even if that does sometimes lead to creative ways of doing things.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 13, 2009, 02:07:56 PM
I'm more concerned with Nintendo's "late 2010" deadline. I don't know how many people bought the DSi, but if a better version of it comes out next year, that'll piss off all of them.

All in all, I think Nintendo is just teasing Nvidia in order to get a better deal out of ATI.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 13, 2009, 02:12:24 PM
But does ATi have anything to do with the handhelds?

Their teasing might get a better deal for a super charged Wii (Wiix5 glued together, no more GC's no more duct tape), but I don't think ATi provides the ARM chips for the handheld sector.

edit: Arm is it's own company and provides chips to all sorts of things we see in the market everyday
http://www.arm.com/
http://www.arm.com/markets/showcase/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 13, 2009, 03:31:17 PM
Oh I know. But having Nvidia produce graphics cards for handhelds takes them one step closer to producing for consoles; ie stepping on ATI's toes.

ATI made a **** ton this year, thanks to the Wii. You think they want their biggest competitor doing business with their favorite company?

Nintendo's just doing good business.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 13, 2009, 06:29:52 PM
I'm not surprised to hear that they have a new handheld planned for 2010. This is what Nintendo does with handhelds. The DSi really is like the Game Boy Color, only with a lot less games.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 13, 2009, 06:40:33 PM
Look more like planned for 2011, debuted at TGS(?) 2010, or more likely GDC 2011 (Jan.)
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Post by: Stratos on October 13, 2009, 07:46:43 PM
Yeah, 'debut' could simply mean that Nintendo announces a name or what the system looks like.
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Post by: Louieturkey on October 14, 2009, 11:53:32 AM
This is good business. When they negotiate with ATI for their next home console, they can use nVidia as leverage to get a better deal with ATI.  "You're only offering this price? Well nVidia told us that they would offer us this price for their comparable chipset." 

Nintendo didn't become the greatest company on Earth by being stupid. :)
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Post by: Stogi on October 14, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
No, just lucky. ;)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 14, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
Don't forget that Nintendo owns the design to the chipset they have in the Wii. I'm sure they could spend the time for Nvidia to backwards engineer it and then upscale it, or just scrap it and build something powerful enough to run that emulator that is already out the upscales all the Wii games.

But at the same time, Nvidia is having quality control issues, so whatever Nintendo does with them, I hope Nintendo outsources the manufacturing to a different company.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 14, 2009, 06:38:30 PM
Matt and Craig on IGN's NVC podcast mentioned an unannounced 2009 Wii title coming out. Craig said "It's not a B title" implying it's an A-grade game. Speculation?

I vote for Kirby Adventures or Dynamic Slash.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 14, 2009, 07:04:31 PM
What would an example of a  "C" grade title be?
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Post by: Stogi on October 14, 2009, 07:08:33 PM
Is it what Retro's been working on????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!????????????!!!!!!!!
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Post by: broodwars on October 14, 2009, 07:09:39 PM
What would an example of a  "C" grade title be?

From Nintendo?  Odama, Chibi Robo, at this point probably Star Fox, anything from Monolith Software...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 14, 2009, 07:22:48 PM
Then what would an example of a "B" grade title be?
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Post by: broodwars on October 14, 2009, 07:32:47 PM
Then what would an example of a "B" grade title be?

More successful titles (but not mega-hits), such as F-Zero; Kirby; Star Fox (in better days before that franchise got run into the ground); and Pikmin.

In general you can probably break the 3 categories down like this:

"C" Grade - Niche titles that sell to specific audiences, but aren't big money-makers.

"B" Grade - Very successful titles with good production values that sell to a wider audience, but don't have the sales to get the best production values and marketing attention.

"AAA" Grade - (for the platform) ultra-high production values, big marketing attention, very wide appeal, and extremely good sales.  System sellers.
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Post by: stevey on October 14, 2009, 07:34:15 PM
Nvidia Tegra system on a chip to power Nintendo's Next-Gen DS System? (http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/13/nvidia-tegra-wins-contract-for-next-gen-nintendo-ds.aspx)

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When Jen-Hsun Huang, co-founder and CEO of nVidia announced that he expects to see Tegra capturing 50% of nVidia's revenue within the next couple of years, a lot of people thought that this is a smoke screen to sway the attention from its battles against AMD and Intel.

Incredibly how it may sound, from what we are hearing nVidia is dead on achieving its course. With a very aggressive approach, the company managed to sway not just Microsoft with the Zune HD multimedia player  [based on Tegra APX 2600], but also a long-time IBM and ATI customer - Nintendo.

Launched in 2004, the Nintendo DS and its two latter redesigns [DS Lite and DSi] sold in massive 111.49 million units. With almost 40 million handheld consoles sold in United States alone, Nintendo DS owns 68.3% of worldwide market share.

As the time passed by, Nintendo started to work on the successor of its handheld console with a debut planned for late 2010 [Tokyo Game Show?]. According to our confidential sources, Nintendo is going to use Tegra System-on-Chip processor for the successor of DS/DSi handheld console. Unlike the current design, nVidia offered a single-chip proposal to Nintendo, a company famous for keeping the hardware platform absolutely simple.

Given the fact that Nintendo DS hardware is based upon 16-bit and 32-bit ARM cores, it looks like Next-Gen DS could be backwards compatible with the DS application library. According to our sources, all of the apps that came for old DS could run on a single ARM11 core, yet alone the next-gen CorTex-A9-based Tegra, leaving graphics subsystem to do "something smarter".

[...]

Now, the billion dollar question is: if Nintendo chose nVidia for the handheld console, does that mean nVidia may have an entrance into the lucrative Wii business? Bear in mind that Wii console was sold in 53.97 million units, taking almost half of current console market [48.4%, according to VGchartz.com]. Also, we wonder what is going to be in next-generation PlayStation Portable...

I would love to see Nintendo put some horspower into the next DS even if they themselves don't plan on using much of it for graphical purposes. It would be nice to see developers not having to worry about system constraints right from the start, even if that does sometimes lead to creative ways of doing things.


Oh God NO!

The engineers that win the award for being absolutely the worst at their jobs are Nvidia's Electrical Engineers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 14, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
Should success and user reception even be part of the equation?  They don't come into play until after the game is released; many throw around the "triple-A" judgment on games prior to release, and it seems mostly indicative of the perceived work/progress/effort an upcoming game demonstrates.  "where are the triple-A games?"  "finally, this company looks like it providing a triple-A effort."

I doubt success can be part of the reasoning because many can point to some past games, consider them "A", and note how it flopped on the market.


Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit... double-A?  single-A?  B+extra credit?
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Post by: broodwars on October 14, 2009, 07:59:12 PM
Should success and user reception even be part of the equation?  They don't come into play until after the game is released; many throw around the "triple-A" judgment on games prior to release, and it seems mostly indicative of the perceived work/progress/effort an upcoming game demonstrates.  "where are the triple-A games?"  "finally, this company looks like it providing a triple-A effort."

I doubt success can be part of the reasoning because many can point to some past games, consider them "A", and note how it flopped on the market.


Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit... double-A?  single-A?  B+extra credit?

Like I said, those were just generalities.  There are obviously exceptions, such as the Metroid franchise (which I don't think moved up from B to AAA status till Metroid Prime came out and made Metroid a system seller).  But if I had to label those games just using the 3 categories (I've never heard of a game just labeled an "A Grade"):

Wii Sports - AAA.  It is a system seller, without question.
Wii Play - B.  It is an extremely successful game on the Wii, but people don't buy the Wii to play it.  They buy it for Wii Sports.
Wii Fit - Probably AAA at this point.
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Post by: EasyCure on October 14, 2009, 08:06:30 PM
No, just lucky. ;)

"Leave luck to heaven"

I can't believe this wasn't said sooner..
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 14, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: stevey

Just remember that the Tegra chip is very energy efficient (1 watt), scalable and based off the ARM design.
Nintendo doesn't have to have Nvidia manufacture the chip, just provide a custom design of it (based on Tegra which is built on ARM) that is 100% backwards compatible with the current ARM7/9 that is in the DS/i right now.

Quote from: Pro666

I agree, sales have no bearing on the amount of effort that was originally put into it, so if you are trying to decide on what is an "A" "B" or "C" quality effort, then you shouldn't have to wait until 1 month after release to do so.
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Post by: broodwars on October 14, 2009, 08:14:52 PM
I agree, sales have no bearing on the amount of effort that was originally put into it, so if you are trying to decide on what is an "A" "B" or "C" quality effort, then you shouldn't have to wait until 1 month after release to do so.

Except that sales do have a bearing on the effort put into a game.  Game studios decide the budget of their projects (especially marketing) based on what kind of sales they can expect that project to return.  If the game is an old IP, they base the budget off the sales of the last installment and how much they can expect to grow those for the sequel.  If the game is a new IP, they base it off sales of similar-type games in the marketplace.
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Post by: stevey on October 14, 2009, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: stevey

Just remember that the Tegra chip is very energy efficient (1 watt), scalable and based off the ARM design.
Nintendo doesn't have to have Nvidia manufacture the chip, just provide a custom design of it (based on Tegra which is built on ARM) that is 100% backwards compatible with the current ARM7/9 that is in the DS/i right now.

That why it is bad idea. nVidia can't design anything right. nVidia fucked up their last 4 generations of Graphics cards and their newest DX11 cards were delayed due to them having horrible yield and extremely high rates of failure.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 14, 2009, 08:42:55 PM
Quote from: stevey

But this is system-on-a-chip and is already being used in other products with good results.
It's being used in Zune HD and a few other products that don't come to mind right now and are completely separate from the troubles that we know you(and several other companies) have been having with the shoddy graphic cards they have been manufacturing.

Tegra is a whole different beast and only uses 1watt of power to produce all the things it does. It should not be over heating and Nintendo will be overseeing anything that they do with them, so there should be no design flaws or wasted potential in the pipe-line.

Quote from: broodwars

But you miss the point that if they only put in a "B" grade effort on a "B" grade budget ut still manages to sell 4 million copies, it's still a "B" grade game. IF they put in an "AAA" effort on a "AAA" budget but only sold 4 copies, that doesn't make it a "F" grade game, it just makes it a "AAA" game that more than bombed at retail.

Sales do not reflect the quality of the effort when judging what kind of game it is. A "AAA" game is a "AAA" game whether everyone buys it or not. Babiez is a "C" grade game on a "D" grade budget that managed to sell over 1 million copies.... does that make it a "A" grade game now? of course not.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 15, 2009, 12:19:35 AM
RE: Nintendo's Tegra based DS2

Quote from: ArunArun;1346959 (staff member)@ Beyond3D.com
There really isn't anything new with Theo's leak; you'll find more info on this forum when me and/or Ailuros hint about it, really... And his speculation doesn't make any sense anyway.

As I said before, it's nearly certainly a 40nm *custom* SoC based on Tegra2 IP (DX9-level like Tegra1) and a single Cortex-A9 with FPU. Tegra1 has 2 TMUs, Tegra2 probably has 4 TMUs. It'd be a relatively safe bet to assume they're going to stick to that, but who knows. I also have no clue about what kind of multimedia system Nintendo might have asked for.

Semi-reliable insider with some knowledge on the situation. I don't know what all that means, but it sounds really good. I hope it's all true.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 15, 2009, 01:18:46 AM
A 40 nanometer system on a chip based on the second version of the Tegra intellectual property (which apparently has 3D capabilities simillar to Windows DirectX 9?) and an ARM single core A9 processor with a floating point unit (math coprocessor) the first Tegra had two texture mapping units and this new one has four.

From what I understand:

- system on a chip means one chip does the work of many. Instead of having a seperate drive controller, I/O controller, graphics processor, it's all in one chip.

- DirectX9 level on portable is impressive.

- the FPU helps with 3D calculations

- Four texture mapping units sounds like we are finally geting hardware T&L to me. This makes it easier for developers to implement bump mapping, dynamic lighting, etc.

I'm a novice when it comes to graphics hardware, but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.
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Post by: Stratos on October 15, 2009, 03:25:20 AM
...but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.

Wii 2 is a portable system? Or, an even more interesting an idea: Wii2 is DS2 and it can act as both a hand-held and a TV console. I think similar ideas have been batted around in the past regarding a dual portable-console system.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 15, 2009, 03:52:43 AM
Buy one for the house and one for everyone(in your household) one to take on the go. 250million sold.

More likely that games from the home system will be able to scale down to be played on the portable and vice versa. Imagine playing a HD game of Animal Crossing on your 60" HDTV, but needing to go on a road trip to grandma's house. Now you just transfer your entire game over to your portable which down scales the graphics to fit the DS2 resolution and adjust the controls so you can carry on like you never quit playing.

I don't really know what to expect from Nintendo, but I have full faith that they have a plan and know exactly what they are trying to achieve and how to achieve it. Either way, it's always fun to speculate.
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Post by: Stratos on October 15, 2009, 04:05:17 AM
I just fear that Nintendo would force you to buy two copies of the same game. One for the road and one for the couch. Sure, data could be shared between them, but I'll bet they would charge for both versions.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 15, 2009, 08:36:36 AM
here are some videos showing off the Tegra http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/17/nvidias-tegra-in-the-flesh-booting-to-android-and-pumping-out/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on October 15, 2009, 10:17:39 AM
...but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.

Wii 2 is a portable system? Or, an even more interesting an idea: Wii2 is DS2 and it can act as both a hand-held and a TV console. I think similar ideas have been batted around in the past regarding a dual portable-console system.

God thats been my dream for the longest time. Even if it's still two seperate consoles (one home, one portable with its own games), the ability to use one to play the others games would be like a utopian age in video games in my opinion. So many times I wish i could pause in the middle of my long Rune Factory Frontier session, upload it on to my DS and take it on the go with me.. even if its just to another room! The opposite holds true as well, as there are many times where I want to play a DS game but don't want to be hunched over those tiny screens and get a handcramp an hour in from holding the small device.. being able to transmit the game to my Wii and play it on my television from the comfort of a bed or couch would be a dream come true.

Its kinda sad that the PSP GO is the closest we've come to this, but instead of just downloading your ps3 game to it you have to rebuy a watered down version of the same game.
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Post by: broodwars on October 15, 2009, 10:54:49 AM
...but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.

Wii 2 is a portable system? Or, an even more interesting an idea: Wii2 is DS2 and it can act as both a hand-held and a TV console. I think similar ideas have been batted around in the past regarding a dual portable-console system.

God thats been my dream for the longest time. Even if it's still two seperate consoles (one home, one portable with its own games), the ability to use one to play the others games would be like a utopian age in video games in my opinion.

So in other words, what you've been dreaming of is the PS3 and PSP, with their "remote play" capabilities?  Granted, it's limited right now but it's a good start if you've into the kind of games both platforms offer.
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Post by: Louieturkey on October 15, 2009, 06:35:24 PM
...but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.
More like the Turbo Graphix 16 and Turbo Express.  Same game card could be played in either device.  His dream is to have something from 1991.

Wii 2 is a portable system? Or, an even more interesting an idea: Wii2 is DS2 and it can act as both a hand-held and a TV console. I think similar ideas have been batted around in the past regarding a dual portable-console system.

God thats been my dream for the longest time. Even if it's still two seperate consoles (one home, one portable with its own games), the ability to use one to play the others games would be like a utopian age in video games in my opinion.

So in other words, what you've been dreaming of is the PS3 and PSP, with their "remote play" capabilities?  Granted, it's limited right now but it's a good start if you've into the kind of games both platforms offer.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on October 15, 2009, 07:01:11 PM
...but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.

Wii 2 is a portable system? Or, an even more interesting an idea: Wii2 is DS2 and it can act as both a hand-held and a TV console. I think similar ideas have been batted around in the past regarding a dual portable-console system.

God thats been my dream for the longest time. Even if it's still two seperate consoles (one home, one portable with its own games), the ability to use one to play the others games would be like a utopian age in video games in my opinion.

So in other words, what you've been dreaming of is the PS3 and PSP, with their "remote play" capabilities?  Granted, it's limited right now but it's a good start if you've into the kind of games both platforms offer.

This post was useless since i admitted as much at the end of my post...
But yeah, as you mentioned its limited now and unfortunately I don't have much interest in their game line-up. The last PSP game I heard about that I thought "man, i'd love to play that game; too bad I don't have a psp" was Maverick Hunter X...
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Post by: broodwars on October 15, 2009, 07:19:44 PM
...but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.

Wii 2 is a portable system? Or, an even more interesting an idea: Wii2 is DS2 and it can act as both a hand-held and a TV console. I think similar ideas have been batted around in the past regarding a dual portable-console system.

God thats been my dream for the longest time. Even if it's still two seperate consoles (one home, one portable with its own games), the ability to use one to play the others games would be like a utopian age in video games in my opinion.

So in other words, what you've been dreaming of is the PS3 and PSP, with their "remote play" capabilities?  Granted, it's limited right now but it's a good start if you've into the kind of games both platforms offer.

This post was useless since i admitted as much at the end of my post...
But yeah, as you mentioned its limited now and unfortunately I don't have much interest in their game line-up. The last PSP game I heard about that I thought "man, i'd love to play that game; too bad I don't have a psp" was Maverick Hunter X...

Actually, what you mentioned was the PSP Go, which is a whole different beast from the normal PSP and PS3.
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Post by: EasyCure on October 15, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
...but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.

Wii 2 is a portable system? Or, an even more interesting an idea: Wii2 is DS2 and it can act as both a hand-held and a TV console. I think similar ideas have been batted around in the past regarding a dual portable-console system.

God thats been my dream for the longest time. Even if it's still two seperate consoles (one home, one portable with its own games), the ability to use one to play the others games would be like a utopian age in video games in my opinion.

So in other words, what you've been dreaming of is the PS3 and PSP, with their "remote play" capabilities?  Granted, it's limited right now but it's a good start if you've into the kind of games both platforms offer.

This post was useless since i admitted as much at the end of my post...
But yeah, as you mentioned its limited now and unfortunately I don't have much interest in their game line-up. The last PSP game I heard about that I thought "man, i'd love to play that game; too bad I don't have a psp" was Maverick Hunter X...

Actually, what you mentioned was the PSP Go, which is a whole different beast from the normal PSP and PS3.

Well being disinterested in the PSP in general, i've very little knowledge on the pspGo aside from the fact its doesnt take UMD's anymore.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on October 15, 2009, 07:35:18 PM
...but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.

Wii 2 is a portable system? Or, an even more interesting an idea: Wii2 is DS2 and it can act as both a hand-held and a TV console. I think similar ideas have been batted around in the past regarding a dual portable-console system.

God thats been my dream for the longest time. Even if it's still two seperate consoles (one home, one portable with its own games), the ability to use one to play the others games would be like a utopian age in video games in my opinion.

So in other words, what you've been dreaming of is the PS3 and PSP, with their "remote play" capabilities?  Granted, it's limited right now but it's a good start if you've into the kind of games both platforms offer.

This post was useless since i admitted as much at the end of my post...
But yeah, as you mentioned its limited now and unfortunately I don't have much interest in their game line-up. The last PSP game I heard about that I thought "man, i'd love to play that game; too bad I don't have a psp" was Maverick Hunter X...

Actually, what you mentioned was the PSP Go, which is a whole different beast from the normal PSP and PS3.

Well being disinterested in the PSP in general, i've very little knowledge on the pspGo aside from the fact its doesnt take UMD's anymore.

You can also program it to accept the Dualshock 3 as a controller, so you can play games using that (which must be rather awkward having to prop the handheld up somewhere and play while leaning close to see what's going on).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on October 15, 2009, 07:42:43 PM
that just seems pointless
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 15, 2009, 07:58:04 PM
that just seems pointless

It's not about whether or not it makes sense to do it or not, it's the fact that they give you the option to do it if you want.
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Post by: EasyCure on October 15, 2009, 08:50:49 PM
Oh thats right, options are a god send (even the stupid ones)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 17, 2009, 07:51:42 PM
Since we are on the topic of specualting about whats to be used in a DS2, how sweet would it be if Nintendo went with >>THIS<< (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtN_TkZUOt4) to replace the current screens?
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Post by: Deguello on October 17, 2009, 07:58:01 PM
I dunno, that's got a pretty obvious and pronounced ridge in the middle.  What's the wear and tear on that thing, because I don't think Nintendo is interested is something that would break easily.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 17, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
I dunno, that's got a pretty obvious and pronounced ridge in the middle.  What's the wear and tear on that thing, because I don't think Nintendo is interested is something that would break easily.

Have you seen the "obvious and pronounced" gap on the current models of the DS?

This would be a MAJOR step in rectifying that inconvenience. It would also open up the door for 1 giant touch screen. Imagine the improvement on certain types of games if you can play the game in the middle of the screen with the options around the top & bottom edges of the screen.
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Post by: Deguello on October 17, 2009, 08:39:53 PM
Hey the DS has two perfectly good screens.  This thing has the electronic screen with a crack in it, put there, on purpose, so it can fold.  notice how the folding is done by a machine.  Why not have the humans demonstrator fold it, like we would?

This is just a wear and tear issue.  How many times can the screen be folded before the colors bleed?  If I (or a child) closes it too fast, will the screen crack?  I'm all for advancement, but not at the expense of durability.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 17, 2009, 08:56:17 PM
I'm focusing on the idea of using a single giant folding touch screen, Nintendo will worry about the durability of such a technology.

Who cares if theres a barely noticeable seam in the middle. Right now there is a 1/2 inch gap between the 2 screens which can be a little disorienting for some.
I vote for one giant (but durable) folding touch screen that meets play testing standards.

That with the Tegra chip and Nintendo would have just entered into the High-end/low-cost consumer electronics arena, and that would be a direct threat to Sony while not alienating it's core audience.

edit:
Not to mention the possibilities with connectivity with the Wii2. 1 giant foldable touch screen would mean alot towards what is possible in the future.
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Post by: Adrock on October 18, 2009, 12:37:46 AM
They can start by making the screens glass and adding an accelerometer. I would hate for Nintendo to launch a new handheld in 2010. I just bought a DSi and since I'm a new hardware whore... I'd probably be drawn to it even though Nintendo will just launch a new version on a year and a half.
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Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on October 18, 2009, 02:02:07 AM
What is this crap?  Like Deguello I question the durability and functionality of such a screen (the sensitivity of the section of screen that sits on the "crease," for example, in whether there is dead space or not), though I would have to experience it in person to really judge the product.

But never fear, as I guarantee we will take what we have learned from the DS (including our mistakes) and apply it to our next handheld, no matter what direction we choose to take.  I recommend taking my word for it. :reggie:
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Post by: Caterkiller on October 18, 2009, 03:15:09 PM
What is this crap?  Like Deguello I question the durability and functionality of such a screen (the sensitivity of the section of screen that sits on the "crease," for example, in whether there is dead space or not), though I would have to experience it in person to really judge the product.

But never fear, as I guarantee we will take what we have learned from the DS (including our mistakes) and apply it to our next handheld, no matter what direction we choose to take.  I recommend taking my word for it. :reggie:

I love you! There I said it!

I can't begin to imagine what Nintendo has in store for their next hand held or home console. But I'm glad to read Reggie himself (it is him right? wonder if he can take a hammer fist better than me?) acknowledge that they will learn from their mistakes when making their new machines. Not that I think there were many mistakes, except for the first DS being ugly.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 18, 2009, 06:46:33 PM
But I'm glad to read Reggie himself (it is him right?)
I highly doubt it, it's just someone who can do a pretty good impression of him. I'm pretty sure it is the alt account of someone else here.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 18, 2009, 07:50:08 PM
Don't worry Mop_it_up, I've got a little glass globe waiting for Caterkiller too. You'll both be on a shelf protected from the cruelties of the world.

Easycure, we're gonna need some more snow. :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on October 18, 2009, 08:05:20 PM
Don't worry Mop_it_up, I've got a little glass globe waiting for Caterkiller too. You'll both be on a shelf protected from the cruelties of the world.

Easycure, we're gonna need some more snow. :P

I already bought a second freezer to scrape out. What will 'Killers theme be for his globe?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 19, 2009, 02:53:36 AM
Don't worry Mop_it_up, I've got a little glass globe waiting for Caterkiller too. You'll both be on a shelf protected from the cruelties of the world.

Easycure, we're gonna need some more snow. :P

I already bought a second freezer to scrape out. What will 'Killers theme be for his globe?

Frosty the Snowman VS. Jack Frost locked in an eternal martial arts duel over who controls Winter. That should be the theme.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on October 19, 2009, 02:45:06 PM
Don't worry Mop_it_up, I've got a little glass globe waiting for Caterkiller too. You'll both be on a shelf protected from the cruelties of the world.

Easycure, we're gonna need some more snow. :P

I already bought a second freezer to scrape out. What will 'Killers theme be for his globe?

Frosty the Snowman VS. Jack Frost locked in an eternal martial arts duel over who controls Winter. That should be the theme.

If 'killer is Frosty the Snowman and can use his arm (which is made from a branch) as a fighting staff to do those Kilik moves he claims he can do..

THEN **** YEAH!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 19, 2009, 03:04:24 PM
Don't worry Mop_it_up, I've got a little glass globe waiting for Caterkiller too. You'll both be on a shelf protected from the cruelties of the world.

Easycure, we're gonna need some more snow. :P

I already bought a second freezer to scrape out. What will 'Killers theme be for his globe?

Frosty the Snowman VS. Jack Frost locked in an eternal martial arts duel over who controls Winter. That should be the theme.

If 'killer is Frosty the Snowman and can use his arm (which is made from a branch) as a fighting staff to do those Kilik moves he claims he can do..

THEN **** YEAH!

"Crouching Snowman, Hidden JackFrost" I can see it now, Jack hurls a cluster of icicles and Frosty bats them all away with his 'staff arms' all while traditional Chinese string music is playing. Would be freaking amazing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on October 19, 2009, 04:38:47 PM
I don't know what's going on here, but I feel like kicking all of you in the teeth.  Just let me put on my punting shoes. :reggie:
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 19, 2009, 05:42:23 PM
RUMOUR: The user "ReggieFA" is the real Reginald Fils-Aime. Could it be true...?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 19, 2009, 05:43:57 PM
RUMOR: Ignorance, is it a coincidence that IGN is the first 3 letters? "IGNorance"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt FOR YOUR WOUNDS*
Post by: EasyCure on October 19, 2009, 07:13:20 PM
RUMOUR: NWR will be changing its name from Nintendo World Report to Not Worth Reading at the start of the new year.


(http://i39.tinypic.com/2vb7yxh.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji-cT58rgNc)

^Clickable!

just kidding folks, love the site
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Post by: Stogi on October 19, 2009, 08:56:45 PM
RUMOR: NWR forums will be able to embed videos for hilarious reasons like the one above.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2009, 06:46:40 PM
DSi to get DSi Speak? (http://www.siliconera.com/2009/10/22/what-is-the-dsi-speak-channel/)

Quote from: Siliconera
Reporting error code 206602 on the Nintendo support site results in an interesting message:

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Error Code: 206602 Nintendo DSi Shop – Nintendo Points Card or Nintendo DSi Download Ticket Error



There appears to be a problem using the Nintendo Points Card or a Nintendo DSi Shop Download Ticket.

* Make sure you entering the number in the correct field in the Nintendo DSi Shop.

o For Nintendo Points Card redemption, enter the number off the Nintendo Points Card in the "Add Nintendo DSi Points" section off of the main Nintendo DSi Shop page, and select "Redeem Nintendo Points Card."

o To redeem a Nintendo DSi Download Ticket number, such as for the Nintendo DSi Speak Channel, enter the number off the Nintendo DSi Download Ticket in "Settings and Features" off of the main Nintendo DSi Shop page, then select "Nintendo DSi Download Ticket."

* After verifying you are entering the number in the correct location, retry the number again and make sure it is being entered correctly.

Voice chat via DSi confirmed?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 23, 2009, 06:52:01 PM
The DSi has a built-in microphone, right? Seems perfectly plausible.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 23, 2009, 06:55:49 PM
Sounds preferrable to Wii Speak.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: N-World on October 24, 2009, 12:58:06 AM
Nah, it'll be the same thing:  Use it once and forget it about it afterwards.

Coming up next:  DSi horse attachment.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 24, 2009, 01:00:23 AM
Nah, it'll be the same thing:  Use it once and forget it about it afterwards.

Coming up next:  DSi horse attachment.

Are we getting a new Animal Crossing DSi game to use it with? Then we will see someone like Renegade Kid make an FPS with it and afterward it fades into obscurity.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: hylianhero5249 on October 26, 2009, 07:31:35 PM
...but it sounds like this is going to have "shaders", which could conceivably make better graphics than the Wii.

Wii 2 is a portable system? Or, an even more interesting an idea: Wii2 is DS2 and it can act as both a hand-held and a TV console. I think similar ideas have been batted around in the past regarding a dual portable-console system.

God thats been my dream for the longest time. Even if it's still two seperate consoles (one home, one portable with its own games), the ability to use one to play the others games would be like a utopian age in video games in my opinion.

So in other words, what you've been dreaming of is the PS3 and PSP, with their "remote play" capabilities?  Granted, it's limited right now but it's a good start if you've into the kind of games both platforms offer.

This post was useless since i admitted as much at the end of my post...
But yeah, as you mentioned its limited now and unfortunately I don't have much interest in their game line-up. The last PSP game I heard about that I thought "man, i'd love to play that game; too bad I don't have a psp" was Maverick Hunter X...

Actually, what you mentioned was the PSP Go, which is a whole different beast from the normal PSP and PS3.

Well being disinterested in the PSP in general, i've very little knowledge on the pspGo aside from the fact its doesnt take UMD's anymore.

You can also program it to accept the Dualshock 3 as a controller, so you can play games using that (which must be rather awkward having to prop the handheld up somewhere and play while leaning close to see what's going on).
You could just get some A/V cables and play the PSP on your TV with the Dualshock.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 27, 2009, 07:01:46 PM
Goldeneye coming to Wii?

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/26/rumor-animator-resume-lists-work-on-goldeneye-2010/

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Shortly before being pulled from the internet's intimidating view, an animator's online resume may have let out a secret -- concerning an iconic secret agent. According to the eagle-eyed Superannuation, Craig Peck listed work on a game dubbed "GoldenEye 2010 (Wii)," created in association with British developer Eurocom.

Eurocom previously worked on the PlayStation 2 version of Activision's Quantum of Solace tie-in. Assuming "GoldenEye 2010" isn't merely a nostalgic codename, it seems the publisher could be looking to a well-regarded classic for inspiration on a new James Bond game. Alas, Hollywood can't keep up with Activision's annual aspirations.

The publisher won't divulge any of its plans this early, leaving us to wait for further information or for our time-traveling correspondent to confirm the game's existence. He's really more of a GoldenEye 2020 fan -- looking back, that really was the best of the remakes".
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 27, 2009, 07:57:09 PM
Since it's an Activision shooter, I can smell how it's announcement and beta screenshots and nonexistant trailers will turn out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2009, 10:02:04 PM
I was gonna post this a few days ago, but since Eurocom has made other James Bond games that no one has cared about, I didn't bother.
This just seems like another one of those games with the Goldeneye label attached to it to garner interest from nostalgia.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 27, 2009, 10:13:14 PM
garner interest from nostalgia

Yeah, that **** never happens...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2009, 10:16:45 PM
garner interest from nostalgia

Yeah, that **** never happens...

I'm not saying nostalgia won't bring interest, I'm saying I don't think the game is gonna be worthy of bringing back that nostalgia.
Eurocom has made several 007 games and none of them have been remembered. Why would calling this one Goldeneye suddenly change the game?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 27, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
Well for three reasons:

One -- Why **** on a game we know nothing about?

Two -- This game, if even real, is called Goldeneye Wii, meaning it's exclusive. I'd say that's at least a bit interesting.

And Three -- The Conduit, the game everyone and their skank ass moms hyped up, was made by the developer who made "50 Cent: the Game."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2009, 10:46:43 PM
Well for three reasons:

One -- Why **** on a game we know nothing about?
They have made several James Bond games before, none of them were thought of to be as good as Goldeneye. Putting the Goldeneye label on it all of sudden isn't gonna change that fact.

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Two -- This game, if even real, is called Goldeneye Wii, meaning it's exclusive. I'd say that's at least a bit interesting.
It's actually called Goldeneye 2010 and is currently being developed on Wii but is also rumored for PS360 too

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And Three -- The Conduit, the game everyone and their skank ass moms hyped up, was made by the developer who made "50 Cent: the Game."
Which I heard wasn't that  bad of a game all things considered. The conduit wasn't a bad game either, it just wasn't great.
It was hyped to all hell and back because it seemed like the developers were putting every ounce of effort behind the game and were really proud of their work. They did a fairly decent job, I hope The Grinder improves on all aspects of their game development.


edit: Remember the last game that bore the Goldeneye name
http://xbox.ign.com/objects/662/662966.html
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 27, 2009, 10:53:12 PM
Remember 'Goldeneye: Rogue Agent'? This is why I won't hold my breath.

Now, a new game based on the movie 'Goldeneye' would be pretty cool. But I'm not going to expect much more out of it than what we have gotten from previous Bond efforts on consoles. If it turns out to be more than that, sweet. If not, it may still be worth a look.

Though, either way, a new Bond/Goldeneye game will be competing with Red Steel 2, Grinder and a few other FPS games (like a new Medal of Honor or CoD/Modern Warfare)  so it will have some stiff competition.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2009, 09:41:01 PM
I'm calling BULLSHIT on this right now and the only reason I'm posting it is because, well, it's a rumor and someone else would've posted it sooner or later.

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=37744
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Exclusive: Wii 2 specs leaked, Blu-ray enabled and 1080p support?
We've just received some exclusive news and specs on the Wii 2 via Logic-Sunrise.com) (though a Nintendo of France marketing employee). The leaked specs denote the Wii 2 will get a Blu-ray drive (mainly to stop piracy), but will also support 1080P for games as well as movies. The new system is due out during the third quarter of next year and there will be the option to trade in old Wii's!

More details below (translated from French):

This is a nice exclusive we have here at MaxConsole courtesy of Artik from www.Logic-sunrise.com on the Wii 2. The actual information is said to have been leaked from an internal source of the marketing Nintendo France Service. Unlucky for them, this kind of information should stay internal, but that's not our philosophy.

- The Wii2 system will feature a Blu-Ray drive with a secondary aim of stopping piracy.
- 1080P and lower resolutions will be supported, for blu-ray movies and games.
- The release date is scheduled for third quarter of 2010.
- The release will be worldwide and on the same day for all countries.
- A scheme will be available in which it is possible to trade in the original Wii for a cheaper price on the new Wii 2.


Moreover, Nintendo wants to make a worlwide annoucement, only one month before release date. Huge publicity and Viral Marketing will be utilized to create the Buzz. Official pictures are not yet available, and more specs will be released in due course.

Why do we believe it at all ?

* Artik from Logic-Sunrise.com has regularly provided news to MaxConsole and has a lot of 'insider' contacts.

* Nintendo has suggested that it's time they embraced high definition technology for the Wii and Blu-ray has firmly established itself. So a Wii 2 with Blu-ray support does make sense.

Now lets debate why this isn't gonna happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on October 28, 2009, 09:54:23 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2009, 10:05:19 PM
TBH, I should remove the link to the site that posted it so that I don't accidentally send extra hits over to their site.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 28, 2009, 10:25:11 PM
Fool's Day is Any Day?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 29, 2009, 03:47:59 AM
Nintendo would never lower themselves to getting a license for a piece of a competitors technology. Also, where and how often has Nintendo or anyone working for Nintendo admitted to not supporting true HD being a mistake?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on October 29, 2009, 10:01:04 AM
Now lets debate why this isn't gonna happen.

Even if somehow everything else did eventually come true (blueray, 1080p, MOVIE PLAYBACK lol) one thing will never happen;

NINTENDO will NEVER let you trade in your Wii towards a Wii2. It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 29, 2009, 11:04:38 AM
Don't ever use maxconsole as a "source" - logic-sunrise, their source is somewhat dependable, but still, this is complete bullshit, and I don't even see it on logic-sunrise.com
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on October 29, 2009, 12:16:52 PM
HAHAHAHA! Maybe if the Wii were some type of Handheld, but not way is Nintendo about to pull a Sega.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on October 29, 2009, 01:25:46 PM
Simultaneous worldwide releases won't happen because retail works differently in different places, around here new stuff gets shipped on Thursday and put up for sale on Friday, in the US it seems to be sold around Tuesday. You can get a same-week release but not same-day.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2009, 12:04:50 AM
Don't ever use maxconsole as a "source" - logic-sunrise, their source is somewhat dependable, but still, this is complete bullshit, and I don't even see it on logic-sunrise.com

Wasn't Max-console the first to leak the Wii specs?
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8802 <-- 7/30/2006
http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2006/08/7407.ars <-- 8/02/2006
I'm not saying that that makes this any more believable.... I'm just sayin'
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Deguello on November 01, 2009, 04:42:13 PM
There is absolutely no way Nintendo will ever use Blu-Ray for anything.  It simply does not make business sense to directly fund your competitor that way, especially if you are in the process of researching your own superior proprietary medium (like holographic carts or high capacity SD cards.)

That's how I know that story is bull
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on November 01, 2009, 04:45:36 PM
Yeah, Nintendo already has a serious investment that completely circumvents the need for Blue-Ray. Their hologram technology only needs a DVD player versus the competing company which uses Blue-Ray. Why go through the expensive middleman of Blue-Ray when DVD is cheaper and more widely used?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2009, 10:51:39 PM
WiiHD rumors just won't die. This time it's attached to Netflix Streaming coming to the Wii. (http://blog.streamingmedia.com/the_business_of_online_vi/2009/10/confirmed-netflix-streaming-coming-to-the-wii-very-soon.html)

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Last week I received some images that showed Netflix streaming on a Wii console. I didn't run with the story at the time as I didn't know if the images were legit and it's taken me until today to confirm they are in fact real. I'm not disclosing who confirmed it for me but someone involved in the project has confirmed that Nintendo is currently in testing stages with Netflix to bring their streaming service to the Wii very soon.

What I'm hearing is that Nintendo originally planned to bring the Netflix service to the Wii before the end of this year, which still might take place, but that Nintendo is also considering holding off on the Netflix service until they release their next generation Wii HD unit in early 2010.

Now it's early 2010!?
I don't believe it, but business wise it would make alot of sense.
Sell a record amount of Wii which are gimped (no dvd playback out of the box, no HD resolution), then release a upgraded version of the same console in an attempt to get everyone to double dip for the extra features that coulda been there from the start.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: hylianhero5249 on November 01, 2009, 11:51:22 PM
WiiHD rumors just won't die. This time it's attached to Netflix Streaming coming to the Wii. (http://blog.streamingmedia.com/the_business_of_online_vi/2009/10/confirmed-netflix-streaming-coming-to-the-wii-very-soon.html)

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Last week I received some images that showed Netflix streaming on a Wii console. I didn't run with the story at the time as I didn't know if the images were legit and it's taken me until today to confirm they are in fact real. I'm not disclosing who confirmed it for me but someone involved in the project has confirmed that Nintendo is currently in testing stages with Netflix to bring their streaming service to the Wii very soon.

What I'm hearing is that Nintendo originally planned to bring the Netflix service to the Wii before the end of this year, which still might take place, but that Nintendo is also considering holding off on the Netflix service until they release their next generation Wii HD unit in early 2010.

Now it's early 2010!?
I don't believe it, but business wise it would make alot of sense.
Sell a record amount of Wii which are gimped (no dvd playback out of the box, no HD resolution), then release a upgraded version of the same console in an attempt to get everyone to double dip for the extra features that coulda been there from the start.
I call bull****!  >:(
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
I call bull****!  >:(

I'm calling BULLSHIT on this right now and the only reason I'm posting it is because, well, it's a rumor and someone else would've posted it sooner or later.

Oh I agree, but the guy supposedly has contacts at who mentioned WiiHD to him according to his follow-ups in the comments section. I don't think there is a WiiHD mid generation hardware booster, but I can see how it might make sense if done correctly. If it were to happen though, I know that there definitely wouldn't be a BRD player in it. I don't actually think it would have any new hardware other than what is needed to display at HD resolutions and maybe more internal flash.

and since I'm entertaining the idea of a WiiHD, what if that is the reason why Nintendo was holding off on releasing the Black Wii in America? WiiHD is the Black Wii!!?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on November 02, 2009, 02:34:26 AM
and since I'm entertaining the idea of a WiiHD, what if that is the reason why Nintendo was holding off on releasing the Black Wii in America? WiiHD is the Black Wii!!?

A black Wii with HD + more internal flash would convince me to double-dip.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
I don't see it happening, that's only four years after the Wii launch. I don't think the strategy of micro-evolutions works nearly as well for home systems as it does in the portable sector. Besides, most Wii games have pretty ugly graphics and simply adding HD would probably make them look even worse.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2009, 05:21:13 PM
IF such a thing were to happen, I really don't think it would be considered a Wii2 like system that can have games made specifically for it that are not compatible with the current Wii, I just see it as more of a steroid shot to the arm for the Wii and upscales all existing and future software up to 720p. It might have a few other perks like more onboard flash, but nothing that would make your old Wii completely obsolete.

It would be like the GBC update or the GBA with backlighting update that leads into the next real hardware upgrade.
I still don't think there will be a Wii2 until end of 2011 at the earliest (5 year cycle), but a WiiHD to push hardware sales and tempt double dippers would make good business sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2009, 05:25:41 PM
Doesn't it still hold true that developing HD games raises cost? That's why Nintendo didn't include it the first time around and if that's still the case then I don't see them releasing any sort of HD Wii regardless of how many games they would release for it. They're not focusing on visuals this time around.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2009, 05:31:58 PM
I don't think you understand what upscaling it. Games would still be produced the same as they were before, the hardware (upscaling chip) would up the resolution above what the current source provides.

So essentially the games (current & future) would still be made at 480p resolution.
The WiiHD would take that image and output it at 720p resolution for your HDTV.
The hardware does all the work, the source material stays the same.

Development cost stay the same, but some developers might want to fine tune their textures once they see how crisp and clear they would look at a higher and sharper resolution.

edit: See this thread for more examples of what I'm talking about
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28798.msg530628#msg530628
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2009, 05:42:27 PM
That sounds like some extra work would still need to be done in order for the games to not look ugly when upscaled.

Eh, whatever. It isn't something I care about, so as long as it wasn't a requirement then I don't care if it were released.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2009, 05:47:27 PM
It wouldn't require any extra work for the textures to look good when upscaled.
Developers would just need to make good looking textures to begin with and stop being lazy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on November 02, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
It wouldn't require any extra work for the textures to look good when upscaled.
Developers would just need to make good looking textures to begin with and stop being lazy.

LMFAO

No seriously, LOL

HAHAHAHAHA


....


Nope, still funny *giggles*
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
Which means all currently released games would look worse when upscaled?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2009, 09:45:04 PM
nope. some would actually look alot better.
did you follow the link to the WiiHD emulation thread?

Do you have a HDTV and an upscaling DVD player?
more often than not everything looks better.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 02, 2009, 09:52:36 PM
I don't have an HDTV or a DVD player but I do record games onto my PC. Some look better, some look worse, some look the same. But, I've heard horror stories about how some televisions have a delayed image when upscaling, which is fine for movies but terrible for games, so would the system be able to upscale games without causing any delays whatsoever? Even a delay of a fraction of a second could ruin some games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 02, 2009, 10:11:24 PM
I don't get why EasyCure is laughing about the ease of making better looking textures. Just look at how terrible Metroid Prime looks on the MP Trilogy (especially Samus' suit), the art direction is fantastic - but the execution, at least at times, is not. Making ugly textures like that to begin with will only provide for equally ugly textures when the next Wii is finally released. Recording games on  your PC isn't going to make them look any better, either. And, of course the system could upscale the image without any delay whatsoever, any time you hear about lag, it's due to the television, not the source. Playing a 360 game at 1080p or even 1080i (and often 720p) almost always makes use of upscaling, and there is no lag or delay introduced, mainly because the 360 has a hardware scaler (as the PS3 does not, which is why you'll find many games that will not run higher than 720p).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on November 03, 2009, 10:21:59 PM
I don't get why EasyCure is laughing about the ease of making better looking textures.

Take a close look at my post and what was quoted, here i'll make it easier for you:

It wouldn't require any extra work for the textures to look good when upscaled.
Developers would just need to make good looking textures to begin with and stop being lazy.

LMFAO

No seriously, LOL

HAHAHAHAHA


....


Nope, still funny *giggles*

Remember, we're talking about Wii here. And aside from Nintendo and a few rare occasions, what other devs are putting any real effort into making wii games with good textures?

Maybe i'm just the only one who finds the thought of devs NOT being lazy on wii funny. sue me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2009, 11:52:51 PM
Miyamoto is going to make Nintencats DS (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/11/dragon-quest-ix-us/)
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Nintendo will be putting the full force of its marketing efforts behind Dragon Quest IX when the role-playing game is released in America and Europe, the company has said.

Also, Shigeru Miyamoto has a cat now. Keep reading to find out the connection between these pieces of news.

At a Q&A session last week following the company’s financial results briefing, Nintendo exec Shinji Hatano said that it wants the Dragon Quest series to succeed in overseas territories, and that the companies believe the games should be selling much better than they are.

Dragon Quest, though very popular in Japan, has not traditionally sold well outside its home country.

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata first announced this initiative last year, at a press event announcing the release date for Dragon Quest IX in Japan. There, he said that Nintendo and Square Enix would “tag team” to increase the visibility and success of the series in the U.S.


Hatano said that helping to sell Dragon Quest IX outside Japan is part of a larger effort on the part of Nintendo to partner with software makers to sell their games for Nintendo hardware. He mentioned Professor Layton and Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games as two other examples.

At the same Q&A event, in response to a question about what sort of game he is currently thinking about making, Nintendo’s Shigeru Miyamoto said that Dragon Quest IX’s “passerby communication mode” makes him want to create a similar style of game that is played outside of the home.

“Dragon Quest IX’s passerby communication has caused the number of people walking around outside using their DS systems to increase greatly, and I’m thinking that I could probably make something unique like that,” he said.

“Also, recently we got a cat,” he added immediately after.

From all this, we can infer that not only is Dragon Quest IX definitely coming to the U.S. and Europe, but also maybe Nintencats, regardless of what he might have said earlier this month.

We all know that Miyamoto likes to base games off of things he is currently doing in life.
I think we can all agree on what game is next ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 04, 2009, 12:22:46 AM
Sorry, didn't notice developers was bolded as well. Now I'm with you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on November 04, 2009, 02:40:35 AM
Didn't Miyamoto placed on a gag order by Nintendo from talking about his personal life since that is where he thinks up his new game ideas? Or does that only relate to his hobbies?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2009, 03:23:13 AM
Miyamoto is the one that said it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on November 04, 2009, 01:34:11 PM
Someone should just spy on the motherfucker.

I'm looking at you, Sony.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on November 04, 2009, 01:54:33 PM
I mean Nintendo placed a gag order on him. I remember reading about it back during E3. He wasn't allowed to talk tot he press about his hobbies and personal life or something since a lot of his game ideas come out of it.

I remember a lot of the forum-goers here laughing at it because who could have stolen the idea of Pikmin from Miyamoto talking about his love for gardening. Am I the only one who remembers this?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2009, 01:59:12 PM
You should laugh. Let the copiers copy, that's what they do. It's all about how it's executed that counts, but I also understand not wanting to be beaten to market by a similar game that could spoil your superior execution of the same/similar idea.

I still laugh at the though of Miyamoto being worried that people were gonna copy the water pack from Mario Sunshine so he tried to keep that aspect of the game secret. LOL
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on November 04, 2009, 02:09:39 PM
Didn't we finally get a game that copied that water pack this gen?

I'm actually surprised it didn't happen more than that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2009, 02:31:02 PM
There was a game that parodied it last gen, not sure about this gen, but the idea wasn't very fun, so why would it get copied?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 04, 2009, 06:54:20 PM
Although Nintendcats would be a logical pseudo-sequel to Nintendogs, I hope that this breeds something more creative. Like how Pikmin was inspired by gardening instead of a gardening simulator.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2009, 07:18:58 PM
return of catroots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buEoscrTzac) maybe?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 04, 2009, 07:25:38 PM
I'm actually not sure if that's really a Nintendo 64 game because it looks a bit better than what the N64 could muster. But then again, it was a late release so perhaps they figured out how to optimize performance.

It's a shame there were so many canceled N64 products in 2000-2001...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on November 04, 2009, 08:30:56 PM
Sorry, didn't notice developers was bolded as well. Now I'm with you.

It's cool, **** happens.

Didn't Miyamoto placed on a gag order by Nintendo from talking about his personal life since that is where he thinks up his new game ideas? Or does that only relate to his hobbies?

I'm glad he doesn't go around talking about how much he loves masturbating, there'd be some god awful games...

Someone should just spy on the motherfucker.

I'm looking at you, Sony.

NO.

Then we'd get the kinda games I was just joking about.

-Sony spies on Miyamoto
-Miyamoto seen picking his nose
-Sony creates nose picking game with eyetoy + discostick
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 05, 2009, 01:23:14 AM
(http://i36.tinypic.com/282p3rc.jpg)
Quote from: gamerbytes.com
In today's gift from the German USK rating system it has revealed that the Phoenix Wright might be on its way to WiiWare (or retail?)

If you're out of the loop, Phoenix Wright is a fantastic point and click adventure game that has previously been on the GBA and Nintendo DS. The German USK rating system now suggests that the original game is also coming to the Wii.
http://www.gamerbytes.com/2009/11/phoenix_wright_ace_attourney_c.php
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on November 05, 2009, 03:02:32 AM
Why does it have to be the original game and not a new one? Yet more 'Wii-makes'? :/
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Post by: Dasmos on November 05, 2009, 03:42:16 AM
Eh, it's probably a port of the ones they released on PC a while back.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on November 05, 2009, 03:47:28 AM
There were PC versions?!?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on November 05, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
Why does it have to be the original game and not a new one? Yet more 'Wii-makes'? :/

I'm with ya on this sentiment. I got into the PW games much later than anyone here, so this still has me excited. Imagine having to thrust your arm out in order to call "OBJECTION!"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on November 05, 2009, 07:06:11 PM
The Phoenix Wright game is a Wii-make?  Is that confirmed?  If so... **** Capcom.  And maybe it'll be new, but as an on-rails shooter.  Seriously that is hardly parody these days.  Wii third parties are so predictable in how they screw us.

As for Nintencats, it's such an obvious follow-up to Nintendogs that that idea has already been done.  Isn't there already a Catz game?  So maybe Nintendo is letting Miyamoto talk about this since no one could steal an idea that isn't new.

I never had any interest in Nintendogs, partially because I'm not a complete sissy, but also because I'm more of a cat person.  But I have a cat so playing with a virtual cat seems pointless.  Why not spend that time giving attention to my REAL cat?  But I guess this logic would apply to Nintendogs as well.  Did people who own dogs buy it or was the target market people who want a dog but for whatever reason can't have one?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 05, 2009, 07:20:15 PM
A proper Phoenix Wright game would be a Punch-Out variant involving waggle-OBJECTION FINGER.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Arbok on November 05, 2009, 07:47:39 PM
I'm actually not sure if that's really a Nintendo 64 game because it looks a bit better than what the N64 could muster. But then again, it was a late release so perhaps they figured out how to optimize performance.

Agree. Going from the article, IGN wasn't sure what system it was for and just assumed it was the N64 as they "ruled out the possibility that we're looking at a Dolphin game, because we assume the next generation machine will be able to crank out better graphics than this."

However, it looks better than what the N64 was capable of, and therefore I think it was a Gamecube title. One that just, graphically, wasn't very impressive and I wouldn't be surprised if that fact was partly why the project was shelved to begin with.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on November 05, 2009, 08:24:14 PM
I'm actually not sure if that's really a Nintendo 64 game because it looks a bit better than what the N64 could muster. But then again, it was a late release so perhaps they figured out how to optimize performance.

It's a shame there were so many canceled N64 products in 2000-2001...
Unpopularity is the death blow to projects, no matter how neat they are.
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Post by: that Baby guy on November 05, 2009, 08:35:51 PM
I'm actually not sure if that's really a Nintendo 64 game because it looks a bit better than what the N64 could muster. But then again, it was a late release so perhaps they figured out how to optimize performance.

Agree. Going from the article, IGN wasn't sure what system it was for and just assumed it was the N64 as they "ruled out the possibility that we're looking at a Dolphin game, because we assume the next generation machine will be able to crank out better graphics than this."

However, it looks better than what the N64 was capable of, and therefore I think it was a Gamecube title. One that just, graphically, wasn't very impressive and I wouldn't be surprised if that fact was partly why the project was shelved to begin with.

To be honest, watching that video, and seeing a Game Over screen at the end there, I'd say it was  GameCube title with lower resolution, for a specific reason:  It was Nintendo's effort to make a game which seriously looked like a cartoon.  That's my dream of it, anyways.  Imagine something like those old laserdisc games, where you had to press a direction, right?  Picture that, but with actual control over several scripted events.  It looks like it was in concept form, thanks to some of the animation, like when they peak around the corner, but I'd say a "Game Over" screen definitely means that that's what they wanted the gameplay to look like.  Perhaps it looked less appealing graphically for a GameCube FMV type thing, but for in-game gameplay footage, that was very varied and unique, and perhaps why it was scaled down to look so poor.

It's just an idea, though, who actually knows?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on November 06, 2009, 04:14:17 AM
I'll bet it was just one of the games developed for the N64 that got ported to the Gamecube. Or, more appropriately, was going to get ported to the Gamecube and ended up getting canned during the conversion process.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 06, 2009, 05:54:03 AM
Meowth's Party

D=
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on November 06, 2009, 02:12:58 PM
The Phoenix Wright game is a Wii-make?  Is that confirmed? 

Look at the title of this thread.  Nothing in here is confirmed.  It's just a theory and/or rumor.
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Post by: Louieturkey on November 13, 2009, 03:18:18 PM
No mention of the new Lufia game being developed?  It could very well come to the Wii. I'm excited.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=20309 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=20309)
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Post by: vudu on November 13, 2009, 03:20:45 PM
That's not a rumor--it's been confirmed.  ;)

There's a talkbalk thread here (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=29866.0).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2009, 05:45:56 PM
Nvidia Tegra system on a chip to power Nintendo's Next-Gen DS System? (http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/13/nvidia-tegra-wins-contract-for-next-gen-nintendo-ds.aspx)

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When Jen-Hsun Huang, co-founder and CEO of nVidia announced that he expects to see Tegra capturing 50% of nVidia's revenue within the next couple of years, a lot of people thought that this is a smoke screen to sway the attention from its battles against AMD and Intel.

Incredibly how it may sound, from what we are hearing nVidia is dead on achieving its course. With a very aggressive approach, the company managed to sway not just Microsoft with the Zune HD multimedia player  [based on Tegra APX 2600], but also a long-time IBM and ATI customer - Nintendo.

Launched in 2004, the Nintendo DS and its two latter redesigns [DS Lite and DSi] sold in massive 111.49 million units. With almost 40 million handheld consoles sold in United States alone, Nintendo DS owns 68.3% of worldwide market share.

As the time passed by, Nintendo started to work on the successor of its handheld console with a debut planned for late 2010 [Tokyo Game Show?]. According to our confidential sources, Nintendo is going to use Tegra System-on-Chip processor for the successor of DS/DSi handheld console. Unlike the current design, nVidia offered a single-chip proposal to Nintendo, a company famous for keeping the hardware platform absolutely simple.

Given the fact that Nintendo DS hardware is based upon 16-bit and 32-bit ARM cores, it looks like Next-Gen DS could be backwards compatible with the DS application library. According to our sources, all of the apps that came for old DS could run on a single ARM11 core, yet alone the next-gen CorTex-A9-based Tegra, leaving graphics subsystem to do "something smarter".

[...]

Now, the billion dollar question is: if Nintendo chose nVidia for the handheld console, does that mean nVidia may have an entrance into the lucrative Wii business? Bear in mind that Wii console was sold in 53.97 million units, taking almost half of current console market [48.4%, according to VGchartz.com]. Also, we wonder what is going to be in next-generation PlayStation Portable...

I would love to see Nintendo put some horspower into the next DS even if they themselves don't plan on using much of it for graphical purposes. It would be nice to see developers not having to worry about system constraints right from the start, even if that does sometimes lead to creative ways of doing things.

In Theory: Nintendo DS2 vs. Sony PSP2 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ds2-vs-psp2-article)
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Speaking under conditions of anonymity, further credible sources from within the mobile graphics industry have provided Digital Foundry with further background detail on the raw technical capabilities of the new hardware. These sources, intimately involved with the alliances and deal-making within their sector, effectively confirm the reported allegiances between Nintendo/NVIDIA and Sony/IMG, but also provide a fascinating insight into the kinds of devices the new handhelds will be, and the power levels we can expect.

In many ways, the next generation of handheld gaming technology will mirror the differences in philosophy seen in today's devices. Nintendo's new machine will offer a modest level of 3D power using established parts, while Sony will once again be aiming for the bleeding edge in mobile performance, which could well come with the same kind of price premium we saw with the launch of the original PSP.

More fuel for the Ninvidia DS2 rumor. There is more detail and speculation at the link above.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on November 14, 2009, 08:23:23 PM
So there's a ton of technical jargon in that article. All I can really add is that I have a Zune HD and I just downloaded Project Gotham Racing on it a few days ago. It's positively gorgeous on the Zune's small screen (about as good as most PSP games, impressive for a handheld device). This article is suggesting the DS2 using the successor of the Tegra chip found in the Zune HD. Assuming that's true, color me impressed.

Still, does anyone really care that much? That's never been what handheld gaming has been about. Sony can raise the bar on power and they have, but I, for one, still have oodles more fun on DS. Phantasy Star Zero impresses me far more than Phantasy Star Portable and the graphics look about as as good as gaming had to offer 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2009, 09:04:39 PM
But with the increased power, it can be used for far more than just increased graphics. CPU power is holding the DS back not just graphically, but in multi player, online capabilities and non-gaming applications.

if Nintendo also goes with a kindle-ish setup, that also gives them access to the cell towers, which means the next DS could also have software to use it like a cellphone(I'd imagine with a wireless headset) and maybe even at the same time as playing a game, online multi or on the solo.

But as far as the DS' graphical prowess, it should atleast be on par with a GC (or a Wii depending on who you ask) which is a nice bump higher than the PSP. If Nintendo doesn't neuter the Tegra (like I'm sure many expect them to) it should be somewhere between a GC and Wii in graphical ability with the added benefit of being on a much smaller screen.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2009, 06:15:31 PM
Is Miyamoto making a Wii Music Plus? (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=227382?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-News-RSS)

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Miyamoto drops 'Wii Music Plus' hints
Monday 16-Nov-2009 4:04 PM

It may have failed to live up to expectations both critically and commercially, but that hasn't stopped Shigeru Miyamoto from insisting his Wii Music still has a future, and even hinting there may be a 'Wii Music Plus' on the cards.

Speaking to Official Nintendo Magazine (full interview to be published in issue 50), Miyamoto said: "[Wii Music] was a really unique game, and even today, we are receiving several different offers from people in the field of music education... I think it still has great potential."

But more likely to perk the ears of creative Wii musician types, he went onto reveal the game could receive some "developments" for the "future"...

"Unfortunately, we don't have any news we can talk about at the moment," he said, coyly. "But like Wii Fit Plus, it's not really a sequel to the original Wii Fit - but we have added some features to improve the overall experience. It's a kind of an enhanced version."

So a vastly improved Wii Music not too far in the distance? It'd be a bit like Hear'Say reforming and being really, really good. (Without sounding too harsh).
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Post by: Mop it up on November 16, 2009, 06:38:04 PM
It wouldn't surprise me, though this would be worthwhile only if the motions you made affected which notes were played. Otherwise it would be a pretty pointless release.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on November 16, 2009, 06:47:48 PM
I'll just stick with conductor mode in WW:SM
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Post by: Peachylala on November 17, 2009, 02:57:47 PM
Wii Music + needs:

- MotionPlus support.
- Music creator.
- A lesson mode on making music.

Add those things in, and I will be sold.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on November 17, 2009, 03:02:05 PM
How about a lower initial price point?  $20-30 would give the title a better impulse buy feel for what it is, and would make a great Wii accompaniment.  Wii Fit Plus was actually more expensive than Wii Fit, in the end, but truthfully, Wii Music seems like it really wouldn't cost much to make, and so a lower release price could do a lot more for it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on November 17, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
That's not a rumor--it's been confirmed.  ;)

There's a talkbalk thread here (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=29866.0).
The game has been confirmed, but not for Wii or DS.  It could very well be a 360 or PS3 or PSP game. 

Of course, with the new game, I'd rather speculate that it means the first two games are coming to the VC in some capacity. :)
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Post by: Stratos on November 17, 2009, 05:55:55 PM
That's not a rumor--it's been confirmed.  ;)

There's a talkbalk thread here (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=29866.0).
The game has been confirmed, but not for Wii or DS.  It could very well be a 360 or PS3 or PSP game. 

Of course, with the new game, I'd rather speculate that it means the first two games are coming to the VC in some capacity. :)

I really hope it is a Wii RPG but I'm more expecting it to be on DS. I do indeed hope the old games come to VC. I never beat them and actually I only played them on emulators back in my heavy piracy days.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on November 17, 2009, 06:33:38 PM
Wii Music + needs:

- MotionPlus support.
- Music creator.
- A lesson mode on making music.

Add those things in, and I will be sold.

eh... i guess but..

I'll just stick with conductor mode in WW:SM

How about a lower initial price point?  $20-30 would give the title a better impulse buy feel for what it is, and would make a great Wii accompaniment.  Wii Fit Plus was actually more expensive than Wii Fit, in the end, but truthfully, Wii Music seems like it really wouldn't cost much to make, and so a lower release price could do a lot more for it.

That might help too.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 17, 2009, 06:59:33 PM
Since Wii Music wasn't exactly a very well-received game I think it would be better to do more than just a Wii Music Plus.  A full-on sequel would be better.  The common complain about Wii Music is that it is too limited.  It has no way to create your own compositions, no real "game" mode where players can win or lose, and the soundtrack is noticably cheaper than other music games with too much public domain music.

Wii Fit Plus seemed to be designed more for people that didn't own Wii Fit since it offered so little new content.  Personally I think that's a dickish move since it more or less punishs early adopters (fighting games are guilty of this too).  So I guess since Wii Music wasn't as popular the idea here would be to get people that didn't buy it on board.  But I think it just needs so much more to attract that audience.  It needs more than "now with bonus content".  And if you're going to change it that much then you might as well make it a sequel and reward the people that bought the first one.

With this rumour and Wii Fit Plus it makes you wonder if the only reason Wii Sports got a sequel instead of an enhanced version was because it was a pack-in so they know there would be no market for a Wii Sports Plus.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on November 18, 2009, 12:16:59 AM
When has punishing early adopters ever stopped Nintendo? They've essentially jizzed in the eyes of early adopters two handheld generations in a row.

And course there would be a market for a non-pack-in Wii Sports Plus. Nintendo puts Wii in front of or at the end of anything and itl sells. Don't give consumers too much credit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on November 18, 2009, 02:57:44 AM
Since Wii Music wasn't exactly a very well-received game I think it would be better to do more than just a Wii Music Plus.  A full-on sequel would be better.  The common complain about Wii Music is that it is too limited.  It has no way to create your own compositions, no real "game" mode where players can win or lose, and the soundtrack is noticably cheaper than other music games with too much public domain music.

Wii Fit Plus seemed to be designed more for people that didn't own Wii Fit since it offered so little new content.  Personally I think that's a dickish move since it more or less punishs early adopters (fighting games are guilty of this too).  So I guess since Wii Music wasn't as popular the idea here would be to get people that didn't buy it on board.  But I think it just needs so much more to attract that audience.  It needs more than "now with bonus content".  And if you're going to change it that much then you might as well make it a sequel and reward the people that bought the first one.

With this rumour and Wii Fit Plus it makes you wonder if the only reason Wii Sports got a sequel instead of an enhanced version was because it was a pack-in so they know there would be no market for a Wii Sports Plus.

I think Wii Sports had the full on upgrade because of the Motion Plus.  Wii Fit Plus was created to be a cheap upgrade for those with Wii Fit, or a complete title for whomever does not.  It would have been a bigger game had there been a change or upgrade to the physical balance board.

Since there's the Motion Plus, Wii Music could go either way.  It could be an upgrade, it could be a full-fledged sequel, but it has to do with the tools available now, as well as the new ideas Nintendo has come up with on which concept it could be.  I'd imagine in both cases it would still have many of the songs in the first title, though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on November 20, 2009, 01:29:40 PM
That's not a rumor--it's been confirmed.  ;)

There's a talkbalk thread here (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=29866.0).
The game has been confirmed, but not for Wii or DS.  It could very well be a 360 or PS3 or PSP game. 

Of course, with the new game, I'd rather speculate that it means the first two games are coming to the VC in some capacity. :)

I really hope it is a Wii RPG but I'm more expecting it to be on DS. I do indeed hope the old games come to VC. I never beat them and actually I only played them on emulators back in my heavy piracy days.
Well, it's going to be a DS game now.  They announced it. I'm kinda bummed but still glad a new one is being made.
Now discussion can be dropped here since it's no longer a rumor. :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 20, 2009, 04:31:49 PM
Aw, too bad. Oh well, maybe it will still mean that the two SNES Lufia games will come to the VC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 27, 2009, 02:39:09 PM
NextGen Wii and Larrabee? Hey that rhymes.
Intel is rumored to be in talks with Nintendo for a possible next generation partnership.
 http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/rumorsArt.cfm?artid=20619 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/rumorsArt.cfm?artid=20619)

 Japanese technology Impress Watch writer Hiroshige Goto has written an article (http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/kaigai/20091225_339345.html) speculates that chip maker Intel is in talks with Nintendo to form a partnership for their next generation console.
According to Goto, Intel is trying to convince Nintendo to use their latest graphics processor, Larrabee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larrabee_%28GPU%29), in the Wii's successor. Based on the timing of the talks, the chip would have to be used in their next console rather than the rumored Wii HD system (said to be coming in 2010).
Goto, however, doesn't provide any more information about the talks, explaining that the Larrabee's push for technology might conflict with Nintendo's more conservative approach.

this is the chip that Sony supposedly turned down during a possible chip switch for PS4, citing that it was underperforming and was sucking  up too much wattage.
2 things Nintendo would not like for a next-gen chip.

Intel would have to do some major teakingof the chip to get Nintendo to switch from a IBM/ATi backwards compatible design.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 27, 2009, 09:50:24 PM
It'd be cheaper to put 2 Cells in the new GameCube III.  Thanks for spending all that money on research, Sony.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on December 27, 2009, 10:17:43 PM
How much wattage does the Wii suck up to, say, an N64?
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Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2009, 05:47:39 AM
Wii Music + needs:

- MotionPlus support.
- Music creator.
- A lesson mode on making music.

Add those things in, and I will be sold.

eh... i guess but..

I'll just stick with conductor mode in WW:SM

How about a lower initial price point?  $20-30 would give the title a better impulse buy feel for what it is, and would make a great Wii accompaniment.  Wii Fit Plus was actually more expensive than Wii Fit, in the end, but truthfully, Wii Music seems like it really wouldn't cost much to make, and so a lower release price could do a lot more for it.

That might help too.

Yeah, those, but to me Wii Music was just not fully exploited in many ways. They could've taken the Mini-games so much further, with a more full-fledged ear-training program instead of the just 8 lessons, more songs available for the orchestra mode (and maybe some additional control over your orchestra (gesture-triggered special cues?), and waaaaaayyyyy more bell choir songs too please!

... Also... and I know people are gonna hate me for this... I want DLC public domain song packs.
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Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2009, 05:51:09 AM
Hmm... you know, with that Tegra rumor... isn't Tegra so much more traditionally featured a graphics chipset than what the Wii has? This would be interesting if the DS2 hardware is set to leapfrog the Wii.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 28, 2009, 07:59:30 AM
The best part is that Tegra is ARM based and very scalable.

But the next Wii will easily be more powerful than a Xbox360 or PS3 and all for a price Nintendo will be happy with. of course the X720 and PS4 will be more powerful than the Wii2 but atleast the Wii2 shouldn't be considered ver under powered.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 06, 2010, 06:00:08 AM
Hmm... you know, with that Tegra rumor... isn't Tegra so much more traditionally featured a graphics chipset than what the Wii has? This would be interesting if the DS2 hardware is set to leapfrog the Wii.

Looks like that is exactly what it is about to do.

Hi Definition Nintendo DS Successor With Motion Sensor In The Works (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/05/hi-definition-nintendo-ds-successor-with-motion-sensor-in-the-works/)
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The Asahi Shimbun has an interview with Satoru Iwata, President of Nintendo, where he comments on a successor to the Nintendo DS. Iwata tells the paper the future handheld will be able to output high resolution graphics and have a motion sensor.

While Nintendo is developing the machine, Iwata did not set a release date. Instead, he mentioned DS sales in North America reached an all time high in 2009.
Original Source (in Japanese):http://www.asahi.com/digital/pc/OSK201001050110.html

This seems like an indirect confirmation of the Tegra rumors for the DS2. We might be able to expect this as early as end of 2010, but more likely early 2011.

This also makes it look good for a High Powered Wii2, but I doubt we'll hear anything about that anytime soon.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 06, 2010, 06:17:17 AM
According to sources that could read that Japanese interview:
http://www.asahi.com/digital/pc/OSK201001050110.html
Iwata says that Zelda Wii & Vitality sensor are both set for 2010 release
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 06, 2010, 11:53:54 AM
That's a great Iwata pic, he's like, "YA KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN'?????"

The article should be about that picture.
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Post by: Caterkiller on January 06, 2010, 12:21:19 PM
Hmm... you know, with that Tegra rumor... isn't Tegra so much more traditionally featured a graphics chipset than what the Wii has? This would be interesting if the DS2 hardware is set to leapfrog the Wii.

Looks like that is exactly what it is about to do.

Hi Definition Nintendo DS Successor With Motion Sensor In The Works (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/01/05/hi-definition-nintendo-ds-successor-with-motion-sensor-in-the-works/)
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The Asahi Shimbun has an interview with Satoru Iwata, President of Nintendo, where he comments on a successor to the Nintendo DS. Iwata tells the paper the future handheld will be able to output high resolution graphics and have a motion sensor.

While Nintendo is developing the machine, Iwata did not set a release date. Instead, he mentioned DS sales in North America reached an all time high in 2009.
Original Source (in Japanese):http://www.asahi.com/digital/pc/OSK201001050110.html

This seems like an indirect confirmation of the Tegra rumors for the DS2. We might be able to expect this as early as end of 2010, but more likely early 2011.

This also makes it look good for a High Powered Wii2, but I doubt we'll hear anything about that anytime soon.

Yippy Skippy! I would rather not want another console for at least 2-3 years honestly. But good to know that the DS will probably high powered which means the Wii has to be super strong as well. I mean why wouldn't it?

Maybe we will get 3 screens as well! That is so lame!
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Post by: vudu on January 07, 2010, 02:55:56 PM
Konami Readying Castlevania Collection For Wii? (http://wii.nintendolife.com/news/2010/01/konami_readying_castlevania_collection_for_wii)

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Details are predictably sketchy but it would appear that the disc-based compendium will feature all of the 8-bit and 16-bit instalments, and may even include the 32-bit Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.  ...  Rondo of Blood – which is expected on the Virtual Console soon – is also thought to be a possibility.  ...  Sadly our source – who obviously wishes to remain nameless at this point in time – is under the impression that it is unlikely that the two Nintendo 64 games will feature on the collection. The three GBA adventures – and the trio of monochrome Game Boy titles – are also likely to be absent.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2010, 02:59:06 PM
I would buy that compilation, but how many of those games have made it to VC?
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Post by: vudu on January 07, 2010, 03:19:26 PM
All 3 NES ones and the SNES one.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2010, 03:21:34 PM
So how many games does that leave to be on Compilation that I couldn't get on VC right now?

Just Symphony of the night?

Is this gonna be a $30 game disc?

3xNES = $15
1xSNES= $6
---------------
4 VC games = $21

SotN + RoB would possibly round out the selection, and putting them all on one disc with discount for purchasing them all at once, I think $30 would be reasonable.

but I think they should throw in the 2 N64 games just because there is nothing else they can do with them.

$50 if they include all the GB/GBA versions as DS downloadables.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 07, 2010, 03:38:10 PM
3
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Post by: Adrock on January 07, 2010, 08:36:53 PM
I would totally buy that collection, even though I have the Dracula X Chronicles on PSP.
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Post by: Stratos on January 08, 2010, 03:34:18 AM
I'd like to see that. I've always wanted to play Symphony of the Night.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 08, 2010, 04:09:30 AM
Wrestlevania: Bloodlines came out for Genesis.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 08, 2010, 04:20:53 AM
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This also makes it look good for a High Powered Wii2, but I doubt we'll hear anything about that anytime soon.
</quote>

I hope so.  A Wii 2 as we know it will flop.  They need a more "traditional" approach to next system.
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Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2010, 01:11:03 PM
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77913238

Huh.  Now this is curious: Nintendo's filed a new trademark for possibly a new Luigi's Mansion game.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2010, 01:22:34 PM
New Play Control

>=|
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Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2010, 01:25:37 PM
New Play Control

>=|

That's what I'm thinking as well.  If it is, I'm surprised it took them this long to get to Luigi's Mansion, what with all the flashlight games on Wii.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 20, 2010, 02:18:50 PM
I still hate the idea of New Play Control Luigi's Mansion.  I just don't think it would work well with the game's design.

But a new one?  I'll take eight!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2010, 02:29:48 PM
I hear the 1st game was pretty short.
Whats the chance of them NPCing the first game, but then adding a whole Wii specific 2nd game(expansion) to it of the same length.

a 2 in 1 experience.
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Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2010, 02:34:30 PM
I hear the 1st game was pretty short.
Whats the chance of them NPCing the first game, but then adding a whole Wii specific 2nd game(expansion) to it of the same length.

a 2 in 1 experience.

This is Nintendo we're talking about, a company that won't lift a finger to do anything with any of their games if it doesn't guarantee at least a 3-fold return on their investment (in other words, "they're pretty damn cheap").  My guess is that you'll buy it and be thankful you got it, or at least that'll be their attitude if it happens.

But yes, Luigi's Mansion on the GameCube could easily be completed in a couple hours.  If Nintendo wanted to, they could probably easily code a 2nd Quest or something using existing assets, but I doubt they'd go to the trouble to do so.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2010, 04:05:29 PM
They would add lame pointer-only co-op mode.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 20, 2010, 11:35:41 PM
This is Nintendo we're talking about, a company that won't lift a finger to do anything with any of their games if it doesn't guarantee at least a 3-fold return on their investment (in other words, "they're pretty damn cheap").
If you were running a business, would you choose a project that would give you less return over a project that would give you greater return?

I know this isn't the thread to be discussing this in, but I have to call you out when your posting borders on trolling.
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Post by: Adrock on January 21, 2010, 12:15:14 AM
Nintendo hasn't really taken many major chances with their franchises in over 10 years. They know what works and what sells. That's not a bad strategy by any means, but most of us remember 1990's Nintendo which brought us several new franchises with fresh ideas. Proof that you can both sell and innovate. Nintendo seems reluctant to mess with a winning formula, but they are beginning to show their age.

Anyway, I didn't know if this belonged here or in the Zelda Wii thread: Leaked Zelda Wii rumor (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2010/01/new-zelda-wii-information-leaked.php#more)

Most of them are pretty safe guesses.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2010, 12:20:13 AM
Anyway, I didn't know if this belonged here or in the Zelda Wii thread: Leaked Zelda Wii rumor (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2010/01/new-zelda-wii-information-leaked.php#more)

Most of them are pretty safe guesses.

I already put it in the Zelda Wii thread
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28492.msg579135#msg579135
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Post by: Adrock on January 21, 2010, 12:27:54 AM
Oh wow, look at that. That's the last time I try to contribute to your stupid rumors thread.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2010, 12:47:07 AM
Well it needed to be put in here to eventually. I was just waiting for a different source or something.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 21, 2010, 01:57:04 PM
Regarding Luigi's Mansion, I thought it was a really fun game and I enjoyed beating it.  But it was too damn short.  I rented it for four days and beat the game in only two.  It was so short I felt ripped off on a RENTAL.  I've also been hard on it because Nintendo chose to promote it as the Gamecube launch flagship title.  The Xbox has got Halo and Nintendo's trying to convince you to buy a new console to play a game that lasts two afternoons?  Well no wonder the Gamecube never got any momentum.  Luigi's Mansion, as fun as it was, was a HUGE brainfart on Nintendo's part.  It gave the Cube a very weak first impression and the console never recovered.  If it wasn't given such a high profile release date it would probably be more fondly remembered.

I think because of the short length a Luigi's Mansion sequel would be ideal as WiiWare.  The issue with game length is always the cost.  A short game just isn't worth $50.  But $10-15 and you don't even have to drive to the store to get it?  Yeah, now this seems worth it.  I think it would be well received on WiiWare.  Then they can also design the game for the remote and not try to shoehorn motion controls into a game never designed with it in mind.  Hell, Luigi's Mansion seemed to be designed to demostrate the use of twin analog sticks and analog trigger buttons.  The controls for it are perfectly tailored to the Gamecube controller.  It won't play as well with NPC.
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Post by: Caterkiller on January 21, 2010, 02:08:06 PM
I like when Ian posts, it's always something relevant and worthwhile. Unlike this post right here.

Luigi's Mansion 2 with more Boo House Mansions, maybe with more spooky non-mansion environments to explore? I think that would be great! And why does Luigi's Mansion look better than most Wii games today?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2010, 02:23:52 PM
That's why I suggested a LM2 w/ LM1 on the same disc.
a 2 for 1 double pack or original with expansion pack in.

I've never played LM, but the only thing I know about it is that it was a very short game.
Unless they were gonna NPC it for $19.99 then I think a double pack is the way to go.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 21, 2010, 02:56:36 PM
I think because of the short length a Luigi's Mansion sequel would be ideal as WiiWare.  The issue with game length is always the cost.  A short game just isn't worth $50.  But $10-15 and you don't even have to drive to the store to get it?  Yeah, now this seems worth it.

I remember bouncing ideas for a Luigi's Mansion sequel back and forth with you once, and you seemed convinced enough that it could be great that you were actually sad that it would likely never happen.
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Post by: Urkel on January 21, 2010, 03:46:07 PM
I have no idea how a NPC Luigi's Mansion would even work unless they move the camera to a behind-the-shoulder view.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 21, 2010, 05:20:16 PM
"And why does Luigi's Mansion look better than most Wii games today?"

Because most Wii games are made by Ubisoft.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 21, 2010, 10:46:54 PM
The cynic in me says that the Luigi's Mansion trademark is going to be a re-release, but I'd love a sequel on Wii.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2010, 10:51:36 PM
Does anyone know how big the original game is?
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Post by: King of Twitch on January 21, 2010, 10:56:14 PM
8cm
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Post by: Mop it up on January 21, 2010, 10:59:12 PM
What exactly do you mean by "big"?

As far as game size goes, it has four large "areas" separated into floors of the house. Game time will vary, but for me, I think my first time through was about 8 hours, and now it takes about 6. After you beat it, you can play again at a sort of "harder" setting, where you will receive twice as much damage when you're hit, but will also cause twice as much damage, allowing you to get a higher score.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
I meant in Mega Bytes.

How large is the game file size?
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Post by: Mop it up on January 21, 2010, 11:10:44 PM
No idea, but I doubt it comes close to the 1.5GB limit of GameCube discs.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 21, 2010, 11:27:24 PM
I believe Luigi's Mansion is around 185MB altogether. No reason not to include it on the disc if they ever make a sequel.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2010, 11:39:49 PM
The reason I asked is because I was wondering if it was possible to make the game fit on VC or WiiWare or something.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 22, 2010, 12:48:55 AM
Isn't the limit for WiiWare and VC 40 MB? I doubt they could compress the game enough to fit onto the service.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2010, 12:50:11 AM
Well, that's why I was asking how big the game was.
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Post by: Stratos on January 22, 2010, 04:15:29 AM
Doesn't VC allow for a slightly bigger limit than WW since it is providing games that have already been made?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 22, 2010, 06:09:57 AM
LM just won't work on WiiWare, because Nintendo has restricted games on that to 40MB maximum. Of course, it is possible they could make an exception, but I highly doubt it.

The Wii's internal storage is only 512mb, so you can see why having 185mb games would be problematic. Not to mention that it would take quite awhile to download and probably cause bandwidth issues for Nintendo's servers.

So this is a game that can only be re-released on a DVD Disc and that means an NPC title. Hopefully though, they will retain classic controller support for those like Ian who dislike waggle.
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Post by: Peachylala on January 22, 2010, 11:51:43 AM
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Hopefully though, they will retain classic controller support for those who just like to complain about waggle because they have nothing better to do..
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2010, 04:09:29 AM
This is not a rumor but more of a speculation.

Platinum Games (MadWorld) has a new game coming out called Vanquish, and all that they have released on it so far is this trailer:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-vanquish/61349?type=flv (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-vanquish/61349?type=flv)

The whole video is CG and they are being tight lipped about what system it is for.
The Protagonist wears a white battle suit which reminds me of Iron Man the way it's put on him but of P.N.03 in the way the suit actually looks, being all white.

This is a new game being headed up by Mikami (RE4 & P.N.03) and recently this pic was posted up on their site:
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2mxibyt.jpg)
and just as quickly removed.

If you look closely there is only one kind of controller present on the desk. Looks like a Wiimote on the desk furthest right. (sorry, don't have a larger pic).

So the speculation of the day is that Vanquish could be coming to Wii.
Hopefully if this is anywhere accurate, the game turns out to be the 3rd person shooter that we were hoping would follow RE4Wii and have been craving ever since we have been denied and given rail shooters in it's place.
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Post by: Stratos on February 02, 2010, 04:27:06 AM
I would love for it to be on Wii, but I have a feeling that it won't. It just strikes me as an XBox game. Maybe because it looks like Halo.
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Post by: Dasmos on February 02, 2010, 10:22:42 AM
I only just picked up P.N.03 a year or so ago, but that hardly got enough fanfare. Despite it's 3rd person perspective it played a lot like shump and if you view it as such it starts to make a lot more sense. I hope Mikami is making a similar type game with this.
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Post by: Peachylala on February 02, 2010, 12:46:33 PM
If Nintendo and Platinum collaborated, it would be the sexist thing ever.
 
Wii or DS, though I do prefer another Wii game from them. Something less niche (third person shooter from Mikami? YES.)
 
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Post by: Stogi on February 02, 2010, 01:34:51 PM
There's no way that's going to be a TPS. The helmet of the "hero" looks too important. And I really doubt that this is being made for the Wii, but I would love to be proven wrong.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2010, 01:43:55 PM
Most seem to think it's for PS3 since there was a conversation by Mikami and someone referring to a PS3 job listing not so long ago, and that is why I also didn't post the "speculation" in here, but to put up a pic showing a Wii Remote and then remove it right away is suspicious.

The same thing recently happened with Epic Mickey and another game that slips my mind, so that's why I decided to atleast post so that if it does happen, you heard it here first. If not, well then it was only speculation, right?
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Post by: broodwars on February 02, 2010, 03:57:33 PM
Just looking at that trailer, I'd say it's probably a lock on being a PS3/360 game.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 02, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
I'd be happy with a multiplatform release that includes the Wii.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2010, 09:18:40 PM
Devs already working on 'new Nintendo platform' (http://www.videogamer.com/news/devs_already_working_on_new_nintendo_platform.html)..... hmmmm
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The Buzz: Reveal planned for Game Developers Conference next month?
perspective shot of wii - Devs already working on 'new Nintendo...

Developers are already working on a "new Nintendo platform" ahead of a possible reveal at this year's Game Developers Conference, an industry source has told VideoGamer.com.

Earlier this morning we were contacted by an employee at a major international publisher with the following information:

"Just heard a rumour that you may be interested in: Nintendo are going to announce a new platform at GDC. Some devs have already started work on it."

Our contact had no further information about whether the new platform was a handheld, home console or something else. The source also stated that he was sure of the platform's existence, but that the GDC launch was a less certain possibility.

What is the Vitality Sensor for $500 Alex?[/quote]
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Post by: EasyCure on February 03, 2010, 09:22:11 PM
It feels way too early to be showing off a wii OR ds successor, but maybe thats just me. The DS will probably have some pretty damn long legs, especially with the DSi adding what it has. With the Wii, well I just don't want to see another GC to Wii situation happen with Zelda.
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Post by: Peachylala on February 03, 2010, 10:00:14 PM
Wii is too successful right now for that to happen. For the Gamecube it had to happen, it wasn't going anywhere.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 04, 2010, 05:58:58 AM
3rd pillar.

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 04, 2010, 04:52:31 PM
If there really is new hardware to be introduced, it will most likely be the DS2, and probably only behind closed doors to actual developers.

DS sales have long since passed their peak in Japan and there was a Ubisoft Brazil developer that stated something about being selected to do test work on the next gen handheld. There has also been the talk about Tegra in the DS2 and Tegra 2 is on it's way.
Nvidia would probably give Nintendo a sweet deal on the Tegra 2 chips just to get market share and score a HUGE account like Nintendo.

If there is a DS2 coming soon, I wouldn't expect a formal unveiling to the general public till probably TGS since it will obviously be coming to Japan first since the US is still buying up DS like crazy.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 04, 2010, 05:12:33 PM
But then why would Nintendo have made the super size DSi?  I realize it probably wasn't a terribly expensive operation, but designing a piece of hardware only to have a life of 6 to 12 months just seems silly.  It is still being flooded with support from everywhere. 

The Wii is the system that needs a makeover.  But common sense has never been a trait that Nintendo demonstrates.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 04, 2010, 05:32:01 PM
DSi XL is just a larger version of the DSi. It's targeted at a specific market and I don't think Nintendo was planning it being so well received.

You also have to remember that a new DS2 isn't targeted at the people that are just now buying a DS. They would be targeting early adopters as late adopters would still be buying the DS/i which would become even more attractive since the price would likely drop.


As far as a new Wii is concerned, I doubt they would break all sales records and then release a new one right after. I also don't think that new colors amounts to new hardware.

Although I wouldn't mind an upscaler and more internal memory if they ever revise the system. Not to mention the color Black being released in the US.
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Post by: King of Twitch on February 04, 2010, 05:42:27 PM
I like how the S and 2 kinda form a heart

"DS2--for people that S2 to play"
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 04, 2010, 06:19:22 PM
ofcourse it could always be this:
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=29109.msg541224#msg541224

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Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 04, 2010, 06:25:22 PM
ofcourse it could always be this:
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=29109.msg541224#msg541224



*groan*

I'm kind of hoping a 3rd system again.  But this time a home console, and this time something with some serious grunt.  It would actually be the perfect thing to do.  Absolutely noone would expect that and would catch everyone (especially Sony and Microsoft) with their pants down.  Think about it.  They have the money to do it, and more importantly they have the spotlight and the crown for this gen. 

*Daydream bubble bursts*

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Post by: SixthAngel on February 04, 2010, 11:45:03 PM
Its probably the vitality sensor or something.  The DS and Wii are simply doing too well to cut out early.
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Post by: Pale on February 05, 2010, 12:21:35 PM
Let's just explore the possibility that they could be announcing an HD Wii at GDC.  We all know that they don't need to from a business standpoint, but releasing products prior to a need is usually the best strategy.

The main con to doing this is that they would potentially be pissing off a significant segment of their current owners.  What could they do to solve this? Not much, but they sure as hell would need to announce some sort of "transfer" service to allow people to easily transfer their wiiware, VC, and game saves from one system to another.

But I think the whole process could be done in a way that would make the Wii a hell of a lot more attractive to potential customers.  Firstly, two things absolutely have to be done.  The WiiHD must upscale already released games to some extent to make them appear at least a little bit nicer.. kind of like what is seen in emulation.  Secondly, all WiiHD games must also be able to run at a lower resolution on standard Wiis.

Then, you drop the price of the original Wii to 149.99 and sell the WiiHD at 249.99.  Leave the original Wii on the market for about 12-18 months and then slowly phase it out around the time you can drop the price of the WiiHD to 199.99.

I think consumers would actually like this.  It wouldn't be too confusing for them (as with other multi SKU systems) because having HD as the primary difference is pretty clear to most people now.

I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but I would pay an additional 250 dollars tomorrow to switch to an HD Wii, and keeping the current system on the market at a lesser price will actually make people who don't care about HD happy too.
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Post by: Stratos on February 05, 2010, 12:54:43 PM
In the dark recesses of my mind, there is a faint hope that the reason the Black Wii was delayed in the US was to turn it into a special HD Wii SKU with more flash memory.
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Post by: Peachylala on February 05, 2010, 12:57:39 PM
Even with Wii HD, third excuse makers will still complain about stupid things.
 
But if it gives fantastic looking Nintendo games, by Nintendo, I might consider it.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 05, 2010, 01:07:38 PM
I donn't know, I would without a doubt get it if TP and Brawl looked a bit sharber but man... There is no way Nintendo is going to try and release a true succesor to the Wii, but would they really make an HD version? There would have to be more to it. Now after reading Pale's comment, I have to wonder, is it possible to make HD games for this Wii+ (calling the name right now) and have them compatible with our current Wiis as well? That would be ideal, and would alienate no one.

If nintendo does do this, and it does well, this could be a true serious start to revising home consoles like the hand helds. I remember the SNES revision, but it was the same thing right? Just looked different? Imagine this is how Nintendo inflates sales from here on out? With handhelds it's obvious and sometimes people love to get all these new nicer versions, I know I do. But with a home console, I know I'll buy it, but I really don't want to.
 
Edit
I think everyone has seen this, but this came to mind. www.ignwii.com
 
"During the Q&A session at a recent investors meeting (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/events/100129qa/index.html), Iwata was asked about Wii HD. Claiming that he'd never himself mentioned a "Wii HD," Iwata said that he wonders where in the world the rumors started.

He also provided a hint that Nintendo would't simply release an HD-ready Wii without some other improvement. "If I were asked if a Wii that's been made compatible with HD -- just high resolution compatibility -- would be bought by players throughout the world, I'd of course say, 'Do you think it will sell with just that? It needs something new.'"
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2010, 02:12:45 PM
Pale's vision of an HD Wii is exactly the same as I had originally envisioned, but what 3rd party is gonna port their HD game and then include a modified down-ported version with SD Wii assets to go with it if they wouldn't even make a Wii version in the first place?

best case scenario, there would be WiiHD exclusive games from the 3rd parties, but then again, that might not be so bad unless they all drop SD Wii content completely.

My more realistic hope was the similar to Stratos.
Black Wii with an upscaler and atleast 2 gigs of onboard flash.
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Post by: Pale on February 05, 2010, 02:45:51 PM
Every HD game developed now has a downgraded version in it... because 360 and PS3s can be hooked up to SD TVs.  Dont' forget that we are only talking about resolution here (or at least I am) not increased horse power for other things.

So in the end the WiiHD that I am envisioning would still be significantly underpowered when compared to the PS3 and 360.  It would just be given enough extra juice to render a higher res.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2010, 03:00:43 PM
I don't think it would work that way though, I'm also not so sure about downgraded version included in each game.

To my understanding, the game renders natively at a set resolution which is then adjusted depending on what it is outputting to. PS360games don't look like Wii games when you put them both on a SD TV.

The only way I could see it working is if Nintendo had released a scalable engine that uses HD assets and can automatically scale them down to SD resolution for backwards compatibility from WiiHD to WiiSD.

Nintendo has been spending boatloads of money on something, and that would be a major innovation if you could release a Wii2 game that could scale down to Wii specs but have Wii2 only features (like DSi and DS). People of the old Wii would still buy the games and realize that they can only access a portion of the game on a regular Wii. After a few games like that, they will feel the need to upgrade to unlock all their content and play the entire game.

I've completely moved off topic I think, but that would be a pretty good Trojan Horse on the massive Wii userbase(especially the casuals).
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Post by: Deguello on February 05, 2010, 03:11:49 PM
If a Wii HD doesn't have more horsepower or graphical capability, and it's main feature is JUST HD, what's the point of having it?  Third parties won't care, they'll probably complain about a split userbase.  Nintendo won't benefit as they would have wasted time developing an extra model of the Wii instead of perfecting its successor. 

Better to wait until the next system for HD.  That's what makes sense.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2010, 03:37:39 PM
of course that makes sense, but Pale said to humor him about WiiHD.
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Post by: Pale on February 05, 2010, 03:40:47 PM
If a Wii HD doesn't have more horsepower or graphical capability, and it's main feature is JUST HD, what's the point of having it?  Third parties won't care, they'll probably complain about a split userbase.  Nintendo won't benefit as they would have wasted time developing an extra model of the Wii instead of perfecting its successor. 

Better to wait until the next system for HD.  That's what makes sense.
I was just speaking for my personal preference. I love my Wii games as they are but would like it all the more if everything was a little less blurry on my TV.  I would pay 250 bucks for that feature. There has to be at least a few other people out there like me.
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Post by: UncleBob on February 05, 2010, 03:46:58 PM
When Nintendo released the revised NES, they removed the ability to output with Composite cables, limiting you to coax.

When they released the revised SNES, they removed the ability to use S-Video, limiting you to Composite or lower.

When they released the revised 'Cube, they removed the ability to use Component, limiting you to S-Video or lower.

And y'all think a revised Wii will feature better graphics?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 05, 2010, 04:11:31 PM
When Nintendo released the revised NES, they removed the ability to output with Composite cables, limiting you to coax.

When they released the revised SNES, they removed the ability to use S-Video, limiting you to Composite or lower.

When they released the revised 'Cube, they removed the ability to use Component, limiting you to S-Video or lower.

And y'all think a revised Wii will feature better graphics?

Finally, someone that knows the score.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 05, 2010, 04:20:44 PM
Even though this is probably false, I'll just post it anyway.

http://twitter.com/NGamer_mag (http://twitter.com/NGamer_mag/status/8682674476)

It would be quite crazy if true though.  I always found that some of the area's in Mario Galaxy felt like they'd work quite well for a 3D Sonic.  If Sonic is indeed playable with his own set of levels then that would be amazing. 

Great, now I actually want the rumor to be true, but I know it's more then likely false.  The thought of a great 3D Sonic is just too good to be true. :'(
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 05, 2010, 04:22:24 PM
I like Rabbids Go Home.
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Post by: Kairon on February 05, 2010, 04:31:09 PM
When Nintendo released the revised NES, they removed the ability to output with Composite cables, limiting you to coax.

When they released the revised SNES, they removed the ability to use S-Video, limiting you to Composite or lower.

When they released the revised 'Cube, they removed the ability to use Component, limiting you to S-Video or lower.

And y'all think a revised Wii will feature better graphics?

We all benefit from your wisdom. *bows*
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Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2010, 05:40:02 PM
Great, now I actually want the rumor to be true, but I know it's more then likely false.  The thought of a great 3D Sonic is just too good to be true. :'(
Imagine if Nintendo, of all companies, was the one that did Sonic justice in 3D...
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Post by: King of Twitch on February 05, 2010, 05:57:08 PM
I would in fact buy a Dinosaur Planet'd Sonic.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2010, 06:22:40 PM
Even though this is probably false, I'll just post it anyway.

http://twitter.com/NGamer_mag (http://twitter.com/NGamer_mag/status/8682674476)
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We've just had some shocking news from an inside source at Nintendo: Sonic will be a playable character in Mario Galaxy 2! Wha?    about 7 hours ago   from web 

It would be quite crazy if true though.  I always found that some of the area's in Mario Galaxy felt like they'd work quite well for a 3D Sonic.  If Sonic is indeed playable with his own set of levels then that would be amazing. 

Great, now I actually want the rumor to be true, but I know it's more then likely false.  The thought of a great 3D Sonic is just too good to be true. :'(

you forgot the follow up
Quote from: N_Gamer via Twitter
More teasing from our insider: Sonic levels will be in 'Green Hill Galaxy'. Matthew's nearly in tears (of despair)
http://twitter.com/NGamer_mag/status/8685960016 (http://twitter.com/NGamer_mag/status/8685960016)

I don't see this happening, but if it does, could it mean that Nintendo is willing to take Sega off of Sammy's hands?
They certainly have enough disposable income to spend that they probably wouldn't even remember the making the purchase.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 05, 2010, 09:26:31 PM
Ha ha, Sonic in Super Mario Galaxy 2, no way. If they were going to put those two in a game together, they'd have advertised that by now.
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2010, 12:42:33 AM
Could have happened sometime after E3, maybe a late addition like he was in Brawl. Adding Sonic could potentially delay the game though, but then again, this year we're supposedly getting a new Metroid and Mario and Nintendo should push The Last Story as their Final Fantasy killer. They have a lot coming out this year as it is. I wouldn't mind a delay if Nintendo successfully brought Sonic to 3D which would only bring more Sonic and Mario, hedgehog on plumber action. Yes, on.
I don't see this happening, but if it does, could it mean that Nintendo is willing to take Sega off of Sammy's hands?
They certainly have enough disposable income to spend that they probably wouldn't even remember the making the purchase.
Isn't Nintendo against buyouts nowadays? Acquiring that major stake in Monolith Soft notwithstanding though technically wasn't a buyout seeing as Namco still owns like 16%. I don't see it happening. Nintendo let a lot of their second parties go last decade. And Nintendo would have to absorb Sega's losses, something they typically won't do. Still, it might be a good idea if only for all of Sega's IPs since no other company knows how to whore out mascots than Nintendo. Super Smash Bros. with Nintendo and Sega characters would be enough to make most of us cry/joygasm.
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Post by: SixthAngel on February 06, 2010, 08:44:17 AM
As impossible as I think it is I would love Nintendo to buy Sega.  They can gut the entire company and keep on the half dozen guys that are worth keeping.  Sega has an incredible list of IPs that could really go places with some actual push behind it.

Nintendo could use the Sega brand on products to create a different brand from their own.  A secondary platformer would be great for the company too as well as destroying the possible competition.

Really, not gonna happen though.  A man can dream about getting a new JSR, Panzer Dragoon vs. Starfox, bringing back the true shining force. :'(
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2010, 01:03:48 PM
Nintendo could use the Sega brand on products to create a different brand from their own.  A secondary platformer would be great for the company too as well as destroying the possible competition.

This would be the best part of it. Sega could be to Nintendo what Miramax is to Disney.
Sega could be where Nintendo makes all of it's Teen & Mature Rated games so the Nintendo brand can continue to mean Family friendly and for Everyone.

Games like Regenliev could happen more often, some FPS's (Condemned) and other stuff (JSR, SC5, Sonic) would have Nintendo covering pretty much every genre with already established properties that they can now put their signature touch on without tarnishing the Nintendo Image.

Now I really want it to happen but I'm :( because I know it won't.
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2010, 01:26:45 PM
Dude, Disney just closed Miramax a couple days ago... not the best case scenario. Even worse, Nintendo buying Sega could turn into a situation like Vince McMahon's WCW. He got all this talent and all these assets then had no idea what to do with it.

The problem with buying Sega and gutting them is that many of their major designers from Sega's golden age are long gone, namely Yuji Naka, Yu Suzuki, and Naota Oshima. Ultimately, they do get the IPs and while Nintendo could exploit crossovers for games like Mario Party, Mario Kart, Smash etc., I wonder if they would even know what to do with say, Shining Force, especially when they have Fire Emblem.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2010, 01:48:45 PM
Well, what Miramax was to Disney. They had a long run.

And if Nintendo did buy out Sega, there are a lot of starving artist out there looking for jobs. what is Yuji Naka, Yu Suzuki and Naota Oshima doing today? The lure of working on their old properties with Nintendo money and advertising support might be enough to bring them back.

As far as old IP's that Nintendo wouldn't know what to do with..... what is Sega doing with them?
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Post by: Deguello on February 06, 2010, 02:00:10 PM
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I wonder if they would even know what to do with say, Shining Force

IT's funny you should say that because Nintendo's all chummy with Camelot, and they are the original developers of Shining Force. 

A certain part of me wants Nintendo to buy out Capcom and just fire everybody and liquidate all their assets, sell off their franchises for pennies to greeting card companies, and then force their PR guys to try and spin it positively and blame America for it, before they too get fired.  But that's just me being vindictive.

Sega was worth something around 2001, coming off the Dreamcast with good games, good talent, but poor marketing skills.  I remember that Nintendo tried buying them then, and the deal was close but fell through.  Of course, that was then.  Sega's brandname is basically mud now, and they don't have very much talent anymore.  This would be a fixer-upper for Nintendo, since they'd have to work to redo Sega's image.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2010, 02:19:17 PM
If any brand was ever worth fixing, Sega would be the brand.

Wouldn't be funny if the best Sonic ever was made by Nintendo?
No to mention that anybody that was an oldschool gamer (NES ERA) had to choose sides.
Now we can all conglomerate on the same system and the old school rivalry can continue.
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Post by: AV on February 06, 2010, 02:36:52 PM
assuming wii hd i don't see why it would be difficult to move your vc stuff.

when you go to wiishop channel it will ask you to log into Club Nintendo account. Already have one? Want to move your account to this wii? Yes-No?

just put your VC/Wiiware games on SD card and you can transfer your account.

This shouldn't be to hard to implement, just some behind the scenes stuff on nintendo's wiishop channel.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2010, 02:51:50 PM
Too bad you can only have one Wii attached to your Club Nintendo account at account.
I would love to share my downloads between the two Wiis that I currently use.
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2010, 03:11:22 PM
As far as old IP's that Nintendo wouldn't know what to do with..... what is Sega doing with them?
True, but that's besides the point. Why should Nintendo spend millions acquiring Sega to rebuild their IPs? There are better and easier alternatives. Nintendo is what it is today by creating memorable character after memorable character. As much as I'd love to see Mr. Game and Watch ring his bell at Alex Kidd, does Nintendo really need to buy Sega just for their IPs?
IT's funny you should say that because Nintendo's all chummy with Camelot, and they are the original developers of Shining Force.
Not that Nintendo couldn't produce a good Shining Force game. I have the utmost confidence in Nintendo's ability to develop quality titles or at least hand them off to good development teams (Wario: Master of Disguise notwithstanding). Rather, I meant would Nintendo know what to do with the franchise in terms of release, marketing etc. This is a company that took some 13 years to bring over Fire Emblem, refuses to release Mother 3 outside of Japan, and publishes Mistwalker/Racjin's Archaic Sealed Heat (and possibly owns it), then doesn't bring it overseas. I'm sure I'm forgetting about more RPGs Nintendo has dicked over. A lot of Sega's IPs are second tier, niche properties. I'm confident that Nintendo never would have brought over Skies of Arcadia Legend, which was a brilliant RPG. Shining Force is a niche series with a name that's been tarnished over the years with several sh*t entries (Shining Force Neo). That's 2 strikes against it. Nintendo is a company that maximizes profits above all things.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2010, 03:37:37 PM
As far as old IP's that Nintendo wouldn't know what to do with..... what is Sega doing with them?
True, but that's besides the point. Why should Nintendo spend millions acquiring Sega to rebuild their IPs? There are better and easier alternatives. Nintendo is what it is today by creating memorable character after memorable character. As much as I'd love to see Mr. Game and Watch ring his bell at Alex Kidd, does Nintendo really need to buy Sega just for their IPs?
I just explained that. Nintendo could use the Sega properties to fill in the holes in their line-up, and use the Sega brand as their Hardcore Teen & Mature games factory.
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Post by: Deguello on February 06, 2010, 03:48:54 PM
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big ol' quote about RPGs

I'm playing Glory of Heracles right now, and it's a rather obscure RPG Nintendo just released.  Sure they may not localize every single one of their games, but if they went to the trouble of rebuilding Sega, I'm sure they'd want to at least try to make Shining Force marketable as it is a franchise that can be saved and they do have easy access to the original developers.

Now the stuff about Sega boning their own franchises, damn straight.  They're released like 3 times as many Shining Force games without the original creators, and they've all been horrible.
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2010, 06:31:53 PM
I just explained that. Nintendo could use the Sega properties to fill in the holes in their line-up, and use the Sega brand as their Hardcore Teen & Mature games factory.
And? My point still stands. Nintendo could always create their own brand to release "mature" titles, they don't need to spend millions to acquire Sega's losses and mostly broken IPs. The fact that Nintendo hasn't already, suggests to me that they aren't interested in either. Nintendo wouldn't even keep Rare for their IPs and they could have easily been reorganized as Nintendo's "mature" brand.
I'm playing Glory of Heracles right now, and it's a rather obscure RPG Nintendo just released.  Sure they may not localize every single one of their games, but if they went to the trouble of rebuilding Sega, I'm sure they'd want to at least try to make Shining Force marketable as it is a franchise that can be saved and they do have easy access to the original developers.
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Bringing the Glory of Heracles series to the US made no sense, especially considering Mother 3 which already has a fanbase and was advertised in Brawl. As for Shining Force, I'm sure Nintendo would try, but the fact is that they've fumbled too many RPGs series to believe it'd be any different in this hypothetical situation. And it took Camelot 6 years to even announce a Golden Sun sequel. Who knows how long it take for them to even consider Shining Force IV?
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Post by: Peachylala on February 06, 2010, 06:37:52 PM
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Nintendo wouldn't even keep Rare for their IPs and they could have easily been reorganized as Nintendo's "mature" brand.
So Nintendo should've kept Rare just for that, and release underwhelming games?

I remember reading some (thought I doubt it's true) that the money Nintendo made from selling Rare was used to form EAD Tokyo.

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Bringing the Glory of Heracles series to the US made no sense,especially considering Mother 3 which already has a fanbase and wasadvertised in Brawl.
If Mother 3 got a DS port (which Brownie Brown has expressed doing), NoA has no real excuses to bring it over. We saw what Smash Bros. did for Fire Emblem, it can do the same for Mother 3.

Unless, of course, NoA makes excuses... just like third parties.

I also think Shiggy expressed his praise for the original Saturn NiGHTS. Get Shiggy to supervise a new NiGHTS, and it will be awesome.
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2010, 07:10:07 PM
So Nintendo should've kept Rare just for that, and release underwhelming games?
Uh, no.... what are you talking about? The main reason, I would think, for Nintendo to buy Sega would be for their expansive IPs, most of them are broken series due to Sega's poor management. Nintendo owned what, like 49% of Rare. If they wouldn't even hold onto Rare, a company they already owned nearly half of, why would they spend even more money acquiring Sega? Relinquishing Rare was a tremendous idea. Nintendo could have probably reorganized Rare, like they did with Retro albeit on a much smaller scale, but ehh, why? Rare, like Sega, lost most of their key people. Nintendo could probably buy out Sega and reorganize the company. However, while it might be nice to get all those IPs, it's still probably more trouble than its worth. The alternative is to just do it themselves. Nintendo doesn't need other companies' IPs, they aren't EA (zing).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
I just explained that. Nintendo could use the Sega properties to fill in the holes in their line-up, and use the Sega brand as their Hardcore Teen & Mature games factory.
And? My point still stands. Nintendo could always create their own brand to release "mature" titles, they don't need to spend millions to acquire Sega's losses and mostly broken IPs. The fact that Nintendo hasn't already, suggests to me that they aren't interested in either. Nintendo wouldn't even keep Rare for their IPs and they could have easily been reorganized as Nintendo's "mature" brand.

First of all, Rare was a mess and none of their IP were iconic.
Banjo & Kazooie, Joanna Dark and Conker were hardly enough to keep them around when most of their talent had left and the amount of time it took them to complete anything was beyond unsatisfactory. Rare's biggest game was Goldeneye, and that was based on a licensed property. The James Bond license has since been run into the ground. Selling them to MS was the best thing Nintendo could do with them and still make a significant profit since the company was just a shell of it's former self.

Like Deguello had said before, Nintendo had put in a bid on Sega before and it fell through at the last minute. Today, Nintendo has about 5-6x's the money and Sega is probably worth about the same now as they were then and they would be acquiring established franchises with a fanbase of 10's of millions spread across them. Lots of the IP's may have been a little tarnished, but if they are worth dusting off, Nintendo will do them justice and polish them up like new or better. And with Nintendo's whole "Nostalgia" kick right now, there is no better company to help complete the circle since it was all Nintendo & Sega throughout the 8 & 16 bit generations.

You also asked "Why should Nintendo spend millions acquiring Sega to rebuild their IPs?".
Well what exactly are they doing with Sonic right now, especially if the Sonic in Galaxy 2 rumor is true (where this whole conversation stemmed from)?

They already put him in SSBB, they teamed him up with Mario in the Olympic Games and next could be Galaxy2. Why do all this hard work at repairing Sonic's tarnished reputation if they weren't gonna be the sole beneficiary of it?
Just doin it to improve 3rd party relations with Sega? Might as well just buy them out and help Sammy out of the hole. Now there is no worries about Sonic making a come back and only appearing on someone else's console after Nintendo was the one that made him again.
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Post by: broodwars on February 06, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
I'll say this: the idea of Sega producing new Skies of Arcadia and Valkyria Chronicles games exclusively for a Nintendo console (and really, those are the only games from Sega I'd care enough to have on a Nintendo console) is kind of awesome.  Sega could easily be Nintendo's "core" developer, as well as the one that experiments on new IPs.  I could definitely do without Sonic, though.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2010, 08:26:10 PM
It's not like Sega's gonna rebuild Sonic's image (and vice versa)!  LAFFO
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2010, 08:55:04 PM
Here is more talk on the "Nintendo to announce new platform at GDC" rumor:
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/32343/ (http://www.nintendoeverything.com/32343/)

Comments from Ubisoft and THQ.
Ubisoft employee response after being asked about it,
“I only leak when I go to the toilet. I do know it, but I’m not going to tell it MWOAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Have fun speculating (http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif) !”

and a comment from a THQ employee when asked about the same thing later
“Enough’s coming up, but I may not talk about it yet (http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif) ”

So, when is GDC again?

edit: to answer my own question.
GDC - March 9th - 13th, 2010 (San Francisco, CA)
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Post by: broodwars on February 06, 2010, 08:59:22 PM
If Nintendo announces a new platform at GDC with THQ and UbiBoll standing beside them, I think James' head is going to explode.  :P:
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Post by: Mop it up on February 06, 2010, 09:00:47 PM
Who or what is UbiBoll?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2010, 09:05:25 PM
That's the championship event where the two worst 3rd Parties duke it out.
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Post by: broodwars on February 06, 2010, 09:12:51 PM
Who or what is UbiBoll?

My personal nickname for Ubisoft (as in the notorious video game filmmaker Uwe Boll), considering how many terrible games they release yet they're still in business somehow.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2010, 11:08:47 PM
First of all, Rare was a mess and none of their IP were iconic.
And Sega isn't a mess? The last time they weren't a mess was when they were doing what Nintendon't pre-32X. Sega has Sonic and a bunch of niche IPs. I remember when Nintendo apparently went after Sega. It fell through probably because Nintendo realized they didn't need Sega or their IPs. While they'd be nice to have, Nintendo doesn't need them. What has changed since then? Nintendo is a more powerful company and Sega's IPs has fallen even further. As much as I'd love to see Nintendo fix Sonic and bring back Panzer Dragoon etc., it makes no sense financially to do so when Nintendo is doing perfectly fine without them. Nintendo is having trouble releasing entries in their own series. We've yet to see F-Zero, Star Fox, Pilotwings, Pikmin, etc. on the Wii. Go ahead, say it... Sega could develop F-Zero... jeez...

And I lol'd at you focusing on the Rare example (which I still feel is valid) while twice ignoring my suggestion that Nintendo could easily create their own brand of "mature" games. They don't need Sega, Rare or anyone else to do it. They are capable of hiring the talent needed for this. They simply don't want to.

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You also asked "Why should Nintendo spend millions acquiring Sega to rebuild their IPs?".
Well what exactly are they doing with Sonic right now, especially if the Sonic in Galaxy 2 rumor is true?
They aren't. Nintendo would have spent millions making Super Mario Galaxy 2 with or without Sonic and it will sell millions with or without Sonic though maybe a little more with.

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They already put him in SSBB, they teamed him up with Mario in the Olympic Games and next could be Galaxy2. Why do all this hard work at repairing Sonic's tarnished reputation if they weren't gonna be the sole beneficiary of it?
What hard work? Licensing Mario to Sega meant Nintendo got a fat paycheck for doing almost nothing. Miyamoto checked to make sure the games aren't utter crap while Sega handled all development duties. Including Sonic in Brawl was a response to fans wanting him in the game. More to the point though, licensing Sonic for Brawl and possibly Super Mario Galaxy 2 probably cost them far less, assuming it wasn't just a part of the previous deal. I hardly believe Nintendo would ever agree to either if they didn't benefit more from it, monetarily or otherwise. Sega probably got as sh*tty deal as SNK got for those vs. games with Capcom.

Might as well buy them out? Are you serious? A couple cameos and buying out then reorganizing an entire company are two completely different things. One requires minimal additional effort and the other is BUYING OUT THEN REORGANIZING AN ENTIRE COMPANY which may or may not pan out for them. While they're at it, Nintendo might as well buy out Capcom then having Platinum Games fix all of Capcom's still decent, but not as good franchises.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2010, 12:22:55 AM
I never said Nintendo needed to buy anyone. I was speculating on the benefits of buying Sega and how they could be utilized.

As far an Nintendo establishing their own separate brand for mature titles. I didn't ignore it, I told you why they shouldn't with out addressing it directly. Why should they build that brand from scratch when Sega already has an established name that is in the everyday vocab of core gamers? Not only would they have a stable of already known IP's but they would also have several very capable development studios at their disposal who mostly only needed proper guidance to get a good game out the door.

And starting their own subsidiary to handle all their "core" mature titles over just buying Sega to do it for them? Are you serious? One requires minimal additional effort (already staffed and has lots of IPs to work on) and the other is STARTING THEN ORGANIZING AN ENTIRE COMPANY from scratch, which may or may not pan out for them.

:rolleyes:
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Post by: Deguello on February 07, 2010, 02:07:00 AM
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Bringing the Glory of Heracles series to the US made no sense, especially considering Mother 3 which already has a fanbase and was advertised in Brawl.

I'm not sure what your point is here.  You'd fault them for bringing over a game because it doesn't have an established fanbase and thus not as profitable?  Isn't that exactly what you are complaining about?

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And it took Camelot 6 years to even announce a Golden Sun sequel. Who knows how long it take for them to even consider Shining Force IV?

They weren't doing nothing the whole time.  They were trying to make their way as an independent until We Love Golf bombed.  They're a small developer.  Cut them a break.
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Post by: Stratos on February 07, 2010, 03:44:59 AM
Glory of Heracles is a Nintendo developed RPG series? This is news to me. I might have to check it out now.
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Post by: Deguello on February 07, 2010, 05:17:10 AM
Well it's developed by Paon and published by Nintendo.  It's VERY complex.

This is actually the fifth game in a long running series developed by Data East.  But when Data East died, a lot of their employees made a new company, Paon.  They are very close with Nintendo, and so far this generation has only made games for the DS and Wii.  I don't know if Nintendo actually owns them, but they do publish a lot of their games.

Interestingly, Paon only owns three of their former series.  Glory of Heracles, this game called "Chelnov," and Internet sensation Karnov.  The rest are owned by some mobile content company called G-Mode, which means they are basically dead.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2010, 06:19:22 AM
Karnov like the NES game?
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Post by: Peachylala on February 07, 2010, 11:09:36 AM
Yes, and there was an arcade version as well.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 07, 2010, 11:47:11 AM
Karnov is one of the best NES games ever. The arcade game is great too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2010, 02:30:24 PM
Why should they build that brand from scratch when Sega already has an established name that is in the everyday vocab of core gamers? Not only would they have a stable of already known IP's but they would also have several very capable development studios at their disposal who mostly only needed proper guidance to get a good game out the door.
Because it's far more cost effective to start a brand from scratch which is more in line with what Nintendo typically does. Sega has an established name that many gamers now associate withgarbage. Look at the reaction Sega got from announcing Sonic theHedgehog 4, a game people have been clamoring for. Inheriting a stable of already known IPs is great and all except Sega has ran most of them into the ground while the rest have been dormant for years. And clearly, Sega's dev studios are not very capable if they keep f*cking up their games. Don't give me that "proper guidance" nonsense. Many of those teams flat out ignored bugs and glitches. If you need to be told that glitches break games, that's not lacking guidance, that's being terrible.
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And starting their own subsidiary to handle all their "core" mature titles over just buying Sega to do it for them? Are you serious? One requires minimal additional effort (already staffed and has lots of IPs to work on) and the other is STARTING THEN ORGANIZING AN ENTIRE COMPANY from scratch, which may or may not pan out for them.
I see what you did there, but it's not the same thing. Building they're own brand is more cost effective than buying up a billion dollar corporation. Nintendo could start small and build up while acquiring Sega requires them blow a lot of money up front.
I'm not sure what your point is here.  You'd fault them for bringing over a game because it doesn't have an established fanbase and thus not as profitable?  Isn't that exactly what you are complaining about?
Not faulting them. Simply pointing out that bringing Glory of Heracles over (which I'm happy they did) makes less sense than bringing over an established franchise like Mother 3. In a perfect world, I'd rather Nintendo release both, but if I had to pick one, I would have gone with Mother 3. That said, I have to wonder how Nintendo would handle Shining Force. I guess, if they went through the trouble of buying out Sega and resurrecting the series, they'd be more inclined to do more with it than just let it sit in Japan, but then again, they went through the trouble of resurrecting Mother 3 then let it sit in Japan despite fans begging for a release.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2010, 03:01:09 PM
People don't associate Sega with Garbage, they associate them with bad sonic games.
Now imagine that Nintendo had announced Sonic the Hedgehog 4. What would you expect that reaction to sound like? If Nintendo had bought Sega, it's not like it would be a secret and only those 2 companies would have known about it. It would have been the talk all around the internet and anything that Sega announced from here on out, would have the blind yet cautious optimism that most Nintendo fans give all Nintendo games.

And starting from scratch slowly and maybe turning out the first game in 2 years vs buying Sega at a price(that is very affordable) with established IP's and games(that is plural) out the door in a matter of months since there are already projects in the pipe line,
is the difference between getting immediate turn around on your investment and having to nurture something by building WiiWare games or planning whatever they are doing for Wii2.  Sega sounds like the better move a this point.
(honestly though, I don't see why they couldn't do both. Buy Sega and start another dev house to do Mature games under the Sega brand)

As far as releasing games with known game breaking bugs, that's not so much the fault of the developer unless they are also the publisher. Deadlines have to be met, and the publisher decides when those deadlines are. Lots of developers don't have a say in a product being rushed to market for business reasons.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2010, 05:02:47 PM
No, people associate Sega with garbage.

How is Sega affordable? For comparisons sake, Rare cost Microsoft $375 million. Sega is a much larger company.

You're assuming that Nintendo would release most, if not all, of Sega's titles already in development. This is the same Nintendo that scraps entire completed/near-completed games (i.e. Miyamoto's "upending the tea table") such as Star Fox 2, the same Nintendo that halted development on Too Human so Silicon Knights could focus squarely on Eternal Darkness, and the same Nintendo that canceled all of Retro Studios projects except Metroid Prime then changed the direction of the entire game. Seems to me, considering Sega's penchant for releasing mediocre games, Nintendo would probably restart development or flat-out can most, if not all, of Sega's titles.

Nurturing a new dev is more in line with what Nintendo does (i.e. Retro). It's a safer bet and has worked out for them before. Nintendo could purchase Sega from Sammy and release a bunch of sh*t games to recoup some of their losses, but that wouldn't help them restore confidence in the Sega brand. It just makes it that much more difficult. See, I'm not saying that Nintendo couldn't pull it off. In fact, Nintendo is probably the only company that could because they're so shrewd when it comes to quality. However, I find partnerships like the one that's bringing us The Last Story as far more beneficial. Now, that game could end up being crap, but it's a smaller investment that brings us a brand new IP. Even if the experiment fails, Nintendo doesn't lose too much.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2010, 05:32:06 PM
Well that's Nintendo's line of thinking too, as they've already stated that they prefer not to buy development houses because they talent could always just leave.

But Sega has lots of stuff that shows promise and they're best hop is to hope that Nintendo would buy them and start upending tea tables so that they can finally get their **** back together.

Is it likely that Nintendo will buy out Sega? of course not, but I think that if it was something that they were considering, it would be a good move for the IP's and back catalog alone. Secondarily it would just be a good foundation to push out Mature rated titles without tarnishing the Nintendo brand. There really is nothing more to say about it other than that's my opinion on the issue.
Nintendo doesn't need Sega, but they are a welcome addition to the family in my book. 
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 08, 2010, 01:37:14 AM
Nintendo needs third party support. Since that doesn't seem to be happening on its own and since Nintendo has shitloads of cash these days, it seems logical that Nintendo should just buy up 3rd parties and then because they would now be owning these companies they could FORCE them to develop games for their systems.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2010, 04:41:36 AM
You can't do that because the talent could always just up and leave.
In this work environment they probably wouldn't, but it's always a possibility.

I agree that Nintendo has more than enough cash to start making some big moves, but it can't just be hostile takeovers. There has to be some mutual understanding that this is the best move for the company being bought, and they have to want to develop willingly.

They really could use another high profile 2nd party or joint venture.
We just need to hear about more of the games that haven't been announced yet.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2010, 04:04:20 PM
Non News: Nintendo working on NEW HARDWARE!! (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/08/media_arts_festival/)
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Nintendo is developing new hardware.  And Shigeru Miyamoto, in addition to the new Wii Zelda game, is working on a motion-based game (or possibly games) that uses Wii Motion Plus.
Miyamoto himself mentioned these during a symposium at the 13th Annual Japan Media Arts Festival on Saturday.  4gamer filed a detailed report (http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009297/20100208012/) from the event.
Shigeru Miyamoto Discusses New Nintendo Hardware (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177860)
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After ages of speculation (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176129) and rumors (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170266), Nintendo has finally confirmed that they're developing a new gaming system... sort of. During this year's Annual Japan Media Arts Festival, beloved game designer Shigeru Miyamoto talked up the projects he's currently working on: the next Legend of Zelda for the Wii, some kind of Motion-Plus-enabled game, and Nintendo's next hardware release (via (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/08/media_arts_festival/) Andriasang).The Mario (http://www.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3171254) creator didn't get down to specifics on the device, but this is still the first real acknowledgement of new hardware by one of the higher-ups at Nintendo. We'll have to wait and see whether he's referring to the rumored Wii HD, a successor to the DS, or something totally unexpected.
Now let the speculation continue.

Since we all know new hardware is always in the pipe line, at least we also now know that Miyamoto is working on more M+ based games other than Zelda.

Details from the original report that Andriasang was summarizing
Quote from: 4gamer.net
また新ハードの開発も行っているとのことなので,追って発表されるだろう詳報を待ちたいところだ.
rough translation by Kobun Heat of NeoGaf
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Nintendo is working on new hardware and that an announcement could happen soon.

So once again, let the speculation continue.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 08, 2010, 04:26:16 PM
And clearly, Sega's dev studios are not very capable if they keep f*cking up their games. Don't give me that "proper guidance" nonsense. Many of those teams flat out ignored bugs and glitches. If you need to be told that glitches break games, that's not lacking guidance, that's being terrible.

Yep, this right here is the main reason Nintendo would not want to own Sega.  One of the things Nintendo prides itself in is how polished their games are.  Even the worst Nintendo games are still playable and don't suffer from the bugs and glitches a lot of other companies games do.  Any glitches that are in a Nintendo game are usually minor things that the players has to intentionally look for in order to activate them, unlike the 3D Sonic games where Sonic will sometimes fall through the floor and die for no reason because Sonic Team was to damn lazy to code the game right.

Seriously, if Nintendo had owned Sega, NONE, I repeat NONE of the 3D Sonic games would have ever been published in their current forms.  Good God, if Miyamoto had been in charge of overlooking Sonic 2006, he would have literally killed every member of Sonic Team with his bare hands.  Not to mention the reason Nintendo wont release Fatal Frame 4 outside of the Japan is because it's a glitch filled mess that Tecmo refuses to fix.

And even though some of you say that Nintendo's guidance will fix things, not really.  Nintendo's guidance only works when the development studio at least have some talent of their own.  Case in point, Nintendo's very own studio NST.  There's a reason why NST hasn't done anything this gen aside from working on some DSiWare games.  Project H.A.M.M.E.R was canceled because it was a terrible game and NST lacked the talent to fix it.  Nintendo then had them work on a simple casual type game hoping it'd be easier for them, and yet they still managed to be f*ck that up as well.

See this is the thing, the majority of Sega is nothing but NST type studio's.  Nintendo is not going to buy a company where they're going to be forced to constantly waste money on projects that will have to be canceled because the studio's are too incompetent to do anything right.  This is why Adrock is right when he says it would be cheaper for Nintendo to just start up another company to make mature series.  Right now if Nintendo bought Sega, not only would they have to spent a lot of money on buying the company, but then they'd have to probably spend just as much if not more on completely reorganizing the company and it's studio's in order to eventually reach a point where it finally meets Nintendo's standards.  And even after all of that, there's still no guarantee Sega's studio's will be very productive either.  In which case after all the time and money Nintendo spent, they'll now be stuck with over a dozen new NST type studio's in which case Iwata is not going to be very happy with that.


To sum it up, Sega is the equivalent to a run-down old building.  The building is so run-down, that it'd just be cheaper to make a new building then spend money on remodeling the old one.  Not to mention the foundation of the old building is so damaged, that even if you do remodel the old building, there's a good chance it could still collapse on you even after all the work.  This is why just making a new building is a cheaper and safer choice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on February 08, 2010, 04:33:01 PM
Even the worst Nintendo games are still playable and don't suffer from the bugs and glitches a lot of other companies games do.  Any glitches that are in a Nintendo game are usually minor things that the players has to intentionally look for in order to activate them
To be fair, a couple of pretty bad glitches have slipped through the cracks--see Metroid Prime Twilight Princess.  But I suppose your point still stands.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2010, 04:56:39 PM
Sometimes you buy a house you don't necessarily like on a property that you do.
You tear down the house and rebuild it the way that you want it.

I think Sega's foundation is fine, it's just the house that's built on it that has the problems.

If such a buyout were to happen, I have no doubts that teams would be consolidated and refocused, people would get layed off and projects would be canceled. It's not like Nintendo would buy Sega and say "carry on as usual, just let us know when you need more money".

Sega is far from perfect but I don't see anything that a good restructuring couldn't fix should Nintendo really want to take on such a task.

They could keep them as a secret 2nd party and pit the brands against each other for marketing purposes. The brand awareness, IP collection and general talent of the workforce that Sega would bring into the fold could be worth the price if Nintendo were willing to take the time to make it work.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Deguello on February 08, 2010, 05:13:43 PM
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Nintendo would buy Sega and say "carry on as usual, just let us know when you need more money".

What were those Mario and Sonic Olympics games, then?  Those were basically loans to Sega to continue functioning, and what does Nintendo get in return?  A bunch of bullshit about their weird black-and-white games and mediocre shooters and tired rail shooters, while focusing on other systems, where their games underperform as well, and cost them more money.

I bet if Nintendo owned them they'd still find a way to make NGage games.
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Post by: Stratos on February 08, 2010, 05:14:57 PM
People still make games for NGage?!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2010, 05:15:46 PM
Nintendo made a good profit off of those too. Nintendo did publish it in Japan afterall.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 08, 2010, 05:33:44 PM
Sega as a whole doesn't seem worthwhile.  Specific teams from Sega seem more worthwhile.  Overworks for example created Skies of Arcadia and Valkria Chronicles.  They've got talent and a proven track record and since they aren't tied to a specific series they themselves are essentially the brand.  Any pre-existing fanbase (though small) would know them as developers instead of specific IP.  Getting that specific team would be beneficial.

I think that Nintendo's partnership with developers ultimately is what makes the difference.  A lot of you crap on Rare.  I think that's stupid since Rare was incredibly consistent during their time with Nintendo.  Before they joined Nintendo they were a decent-but-not-great dev, then they joined Nintendo and became great, and now they're more okay-at-best again.  I still think Nintendo should never have sold them as the Nintendo-Rare TEAM was the valuable property.  Rare isn't a lesser developer today because they started to suck, it's because they're not with Nintendo anymore.  They were one of the world's most elite developers the entire time with Nintendo.  Star Fox Adventures wasn't the best title to go out on but it's still better than anything they've done since.  And that game was all full of corporate bull****tery with Miyamoto himself shoehorning Star Fox into it.  I think that compromised the development of the game and makes it an unfair test of Rare's talent.  Their previous game, Conker's Bad Fur Day, was an exceptional title.

Anyway a decent developer with potential can become an elite developer with Nintendo's guidance.  The potential thing is important though as arbitrarily picking up guys who used to make Olsen Twins games is not buying devs with potential.  Monolith Soft is not a bad pickup though since they already had a decent track record.
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Post by: Stratos on February 08, 2010, 05:38:02 PM
Amusement Vision is another good Sega studio. Monkey Ball and F-Zero games were both good.
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Post by: Deguello on February 08, 2010, 05:49:52 PM
Amusement Vision doesn't exist anymore.  It's all just Sega now.

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I think that compromised the development of the game and makes it an unfair test of Rare's talent.

You ever think that the true compromise was that Rare was falling apart internally at the time?  That the "shoe-horning" of Star Fox was a desperate attempt to save a project that was already 2 years overdue?  I don't want to dig up fossils and be blasphemous but, while Nintendo can add enormous direction and talent to any project... they aren't miracle workers.  Rare was imploding and basically all that's left now is a shallow husk MS uses to make Nintendo-knockoff stuff.  (And apparently Natal games.  Yikes, talk about being demoted.)

And Nintendo doesn't own n-Space, Ian.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2010, 06:02:24 PM
^ that's how I remember it.
Rare was going down hill, the Stamper brothers were walking away. Key people from Goldeneye that worked on PD left to create Time Killers 1 & 2. Conker had changed so much from what it was originally revealed to be and it came out 2.5 yrs later than it was supposed to. Kameo & Grabbed by the Ghoulies had been in the works for who knows how long and everything they did just took forever.
Like i said before, Nintendo getting MS to pay what they did for Rare when they did was a great move on Nintendo's part. Rare was only still Rare in name, not content or ability.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 08, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
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You ever think that the true compromise was that Rare was falling apart internally at the time?  That the "shoe-horning" of Star Fox was a desperate attempt to save a project that was already 2 years overdue?

Rare's only truly lousy game (well I don't know how the Mickey Mouse racing games turned out) was the one game that involved Nintendo's corporate interference.  And it was also a game that started development on the N64 and was moved to the Gamecube which would have added to the development time (Eternal Darkness had a similar delay).  Would Rare not have gotten the game out sooner if they didn't have to shoehorn Arwing sequences into the game?  Doesn't forcing a dev to rehaul their existing game to fit in another IP add to the development time a tad?  There just were a lot of outside factors in that specific game.  Aside from that example though Rare had a very good track record with Nintendo.  Their creative output was exceptional until sell-out bullshit fucked with their game.
 
I am talking about Rare as a creative talent here, not necessarily as a company.  I believe, we, the gamers, are worse off because Nintendo broke up the team.  If this is just all about business then maybe it was a good idea since Nintendo is doing awesome right now.  But I'm not a Nintendo stock-holder so I don't care.  All I've cared about is the games.
 
Plus the revisionist history crap were people act like Rare were overrated and didn't release that great of stuff is NUTS.  Total Nintendo fanboy doublethink there.  I wouldn't be bothered if there was more acknowledgement of Rare's great years with Nintendo but instead they get treated as if they were always lousy.  :(
 
But I'm off topic now.  I wonder what Miyamoto is working on with Motion+.  I also wonder how close the Wii successor is.  I think it's due for 2011 or 2012.  With Sony and MS releasing their own motion control options the uniqueness of the Wii is lost and its technical shortcomings are more exposed.  Though whether or not the competition releases anything worth a damn is up in the air.  But Nintendo ideally has to plan for the threat of them doing so.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2010, 07:15:39 PM
More Speculation inbound.

Deadspace 2 coming to a handheld Q4 FY2011 (Jan - March)?
http://i45.tinypic.com/344fwo9.png (http://i45.tinypic.com/344fwo9.png) <-- could be a typo since there is no PC version listed.
But it could mean a DS2 version and/or a PSP version.
If there is a PSP version, then that means they have SD assets and could make a Wii version.

I didn't have anywhere else to throw this bit of news speculation, so I decided to put it here.
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Post by: Deguello on February 09, 2010, 03:06:07 AM
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Plus the revisionist history crap were people act like Rare were overrated and didn't release that great of stuff is NUTS.

Who's arguing this?  Are you arguing with people who aren't here?  Rare was great.  They weren't in 2002.  They haven't been since.  I certainly don't think Rare sucked before Star Fox Adventures.  I don't even think Star Fox Adventures was that bad, but it was a sign of dwindling talent and lack of focus.

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I am talking about Rare as a creative talent here, not necessarily as a company.  I believe, we, the gamers, are worse off because Nintendo broke up the team.

If they have such creative talent, why do they suck now?  You have no idea if the Nintendo/Rare team would have been anything good if Nintendo decided to buy Rare and lose its founders and key developers.  The fact that they turned to crap after Nintendo sold their share proves it.

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Total Nintendo fanboy doublethink there.

Oh you want some doublethink?  Nintendo is a lazy, corporate (LOL! that one still cracks me up), non-artist, casual, non-gaming factory, and yet somehow is, at the same time, able to pull miraculous development miracles with horrible developers, and just their involvement makes the game better, as if they were King Midas and everything they touch turns to gold.  How can both these ideas exist in your head at the same time?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
More speculation based on something from EA

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In fiscal 2011, every one of EA’s releases will have an online component, both downloadable content and online play and don’t forget that we have a full roster of titles coming from our online subscription site, www.pogo.com (http://www.pogo.com), from our mobile and iPhone group, and of course, our social gaming team, Playfish. That’s a lot of exciting content and revenue opportunities coming through all three of our businesses, package goods, digital and distribution.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/187400-electronic-arts-inc-f3q10-qtr-end-31-12-09-earnings-call-transcript?page=5 (http://seekingalpha.com/article/187400-electronic-arts-inc-f3q10-qtr-end-31-12-09-earnings-call-transcript?page=5)

Could be good and bad news
Sounds to me like NBA Jam will have online multi(Yay!!) and possibly DLC(hmmmm) too?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 05:29:59 PM
Not a rumor, but something more to speculate on.

What is Level 5 developing for the Wii?
Is it Inazuma Eleven Break? Dragon Quest X? Prof. Layton? Ni No Kuni (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn6SR72fVNM)?

Level-5 Working on New Wii and PS3 Titles (http://)
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Aside from the recent White Knight Chronicles, Level-5 has come to be known mostly for its portable hits like Professor Layton and Inazuma Eleven. But the Fukuoka developer does seem to have big plans for consoles.

As reported today at Dengeki Online, Level-5 CEO Akihiro Hino hinted at these console plans during a company introduction speech given to new graduates at the C.C. Lemon Hall in Tokyo's Shibuya Ward on the 9th (we'll ignore for now that Shibuya has a hall named after a beverage).

During a Q&A session at the event, Hino was asked if the studio plans on releasing new console titles as a publisher. Hino's response was that Level-5 signed on with DS because they thought the system was a perfect fit for releasing new titles. They're also researching consoles, however, and they even have unannounced PS3 and Wii titles.

Currently, Level-5's known upcoming console projects are White Knight Story 2 and Inazuma Eleven Break!. Break! is widely believed to be in development for Wii and, depending on how loosely Hino is using the terms "unannounced" could be the Wii title he's alluding to. White Knight has been formally announced for the PS3, but is not a Level-5 published game.

Level-5 also originally mentioned console plans for Ni no Kuni, but never clarified. Currently, the Studio Ghibli tie-up is DS-only.

I hope it's all of the above, even if Nintendo or SE has to publish 1 or more of them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on February 09, 2010, 05:38:41 PM
Sounds to me like NBA Jam will have online multi(Yay!!) and possibly DLC(hmmmm) too?

I'm calling it now: the DLC will be classic jerseys/stadiums if they do it at all.  It's just too easy for EA to ignore.
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Post by: Stogi on February 09, 2010, 06:27:10 PM
God I would buy a Wii immediately, white or black, if Studio Ghibli were to make a Wii game.
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Post by: Caliban on February 09, 2010, 06:39:34 PM
Inazuma Eleven never came to the western world...
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Post by: Mop it up on February 09, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
NBA Jam could be a fun online game. I hope it allows for more than one player per team, though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 07:02:08 PM
I most positive that it will be a 4 player local game. 2 vs 2
But will it be a 4player online game too?
can we do it 3 local and 1 online? or any other combination to make up our teams?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 10:43:03 PM
Nintendo of America is having a Media Summit on Feb. 24th in SF
Nintendo of Europe is having a Media Summit on Feb. 25th

NoA & NoE are practically having a Media summit at the same day.

Official Nintendo Magazine is teasing something BIG coming in the next issue
and I believe NP and another Nintendo magazine are also hyping something coming up real soon.

What does Nintendo have up their sleeves? Are their NDA's involved?
Is NWR gonna give me their press pass so I can represent them at the event in SF?
I don't have an answer to any of the questions that I just posed.... but I can say for all of you wondering where to get tickets to board the HYPE Train, the line starts here.

ALL ABOARD!!!!!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/3478xnl.jpg)

I'm expecting announcements of new games and release dates for Apr. - EWii3 2010

What already been announced?
02/22/10        Endless Ocean™: Blue World       Wii
03/14/10        Pokémon™ HeartGold Version       DS
03/14/10        Pokémon™ SoulSilver Version       DS
03/28/10        WarioWare D.I.Y.™       DS
03/28/10        America's Test Kitchen: Let's Get Cooking       DS

So we are looking for dates on?
Metroid:Other M,
The Last Story (with a reveal?)
Xenoblade
Kirby Wii (it's still coming. Don't lose hope)
Zelda Wii (probably not till E3)
Zangeki no Reginleiv
Sin & Punishment 2
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (it's gonna have Sonic in it ;))
Disaster: Day of Crisis
DSi XL
Golden Sun DS
Vitality Sensor
Fatal Frame IV (now that there is a translation, they will bring it over :P)
F-Zero
Kid Icarus
Pikmin 3
Nintencats
Pilotwings Wii
WiiHD
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on February 09, 2010, 11:46:22 PM
Pikmin 3 is possible. All that development time has to have gone towards SOMETHING.

Kirby Wii... why won't you die?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 11:58:43 PM
When will the speculation end...?
Not today. Today it is strong.

This time coming from Disney:

Disney Shifting Focus to Wii/DS (http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=B5A12FE4-1A64-67EA-E49F1B2C5E950BC2)
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During the company's investor call today, Disney CEO Bob Iger was asked about the company's current approach to the video game market when compared to the introduction of Disney Interactive Studios in 2007. In his answer, he noted that the company would be publishing fewer titles for "high-end" systems, but suggested that the company may soon be publishing Marvel-based titles to make up for the shift. The high-end consoles weren't named, but it's likely he was referring to the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, as he stated "Disney-branded games seem to perform better on the Wii and DS platforms."

I'll just say it out loud since I already know what you're thinking. Kingdom Hearts 3 coming to Wii.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 10, 2010, 02:32:13 AM
I hope it includes western dates for Zangeki.
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Post by: Stratos on February 10, 2010, 03:09:17 AM
I want that train! What is that from, a movie?

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Post by: broodwars on February 10, 2010, 03:12:45 AM
I want that train! What is that from, a movie?

*facepalm*

When that train hits 88 MPH, you're going to see some serious ****.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 10, 2010, 03:14:34 AM
Are you serious? You don't know that movie? Where you ALIVE in the 80's?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2010, 03:20:49 AM
Back to the Future 3.
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Post by: broodwars on February 10, 2010, 03:24:45 AM
Back to the Future Part III.

Fixed.  ;)   Not a sequel, but part of a trilogy.

And seriously, Stratos, you are hereby commanded to see those 3 movies in the near future.  All three of them (screw you, I really like Part II!) are good movies, even nearly 2 decades later.
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Post by: Stratos on February 10, 2010, 03:54:09 AM
I only ever saw the first one...I think I already have them all on my netflix que since I knew I eventually needed to get around to seeing all of them but I'll bump them up to the top of the list.

They were at #13-15 on my que but at the rate I've been going through physical movies on netflix that could have been close to a year.
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Post by: Dasmos on February 10, 2010, 09:56:33 AM
You've never seen Back to the Future 3?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 10, 2010, 03:01:09 PM
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Pikmin 3 is possible. All that development time has to have gone towards SOMETHING.

I'd love to see it but I'm iffy about it's existence.  Past experience has taught me to not get my hopes up until a game is officially announced.  Pikmin is EAD and EAD is working on Zelda and Mario games that HAVE been officially announced.  Pikmin 3 might just be a very early concept.
 
See Retro has been doing dick all since Metroid Prime 3 so unless the Trilogy set took up all their time I would assume that SOMETHING from them is going to be ready to announce soon.  But Miyamoto's teams have been consistently busy.
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Post by: Stogi on February 10, 2010, 03:32:37 PM
Though Miyamoto did officially confirm it's existence. But your right, Retro hasn't announced anything and I doubt the Trilogy took more than a month or two to make, or even their whole team to make.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 10, 2010, 04:00:53 PM
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Pikmin 3 is possible. All that development time has to have gone towards SOMETHING.

I'd love to see it but I'm iffy about it's existence.  Past experience has taught me to not get my hopes up until a game is officially announced.  Pikmin is EAD and EAD is working on Zelda and Mario games that HAVE been officially announced.  Pikmin 3 might just be a very early concept.
 
See Retro has been doing dick all since Metroid Prime 3 so unless the Trilogy set took up all their time I would assume that SOMETHING from them is going to be ready to announce soon.  But Miyamoto's teams have been consistently busy.

Thats not the topic at hand, we're talking about Back to the Future Part III! DID YOU SEE IT!?
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Post by: Stratos on February 10, 2010, 04:27:56 PM
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Pikmin 3 is possible. All that development time has to have gone towards SOMETHING.

I'd love to see it but I'm iffy about it's existence.  Past experience has taught me to not get my hopes up until a game is officially announced.  Pikmin is EAD and EAD is working on Zelda and Mario games that HAVE been officially announced.  Pikmin 3 might just be a very early concept.

Honestly, I've had a grain of skepticism about the 'announcement' and when Miyamoto was really saying. Remember it was that E3 where press and gamers were getting antsy and Nintendo's casual show and Miyamoto blurted out "We're making Pikmin!" at the end of a roundtable. He didn't say Pikmin 3, he didn't say 'new' Pikmin. He just said 'Pikmin'. Then the NPC Pikmins start releasing. I know people have asked about it at later dates but he's only vaguely talking about them trying to come up with concepts and Nintendo could have very well decided to scrap any new Pikmin projects since the NPC games did not sell terribly well.
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Post by: Dasmos on February 10, 2010, 09:46:06 PM
I think it's been confirmed a couple of times that Pikmin 3 is still in development and that all the talk about "more Pikmin" and stuff wasn't related to the NPC! titles.
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Post by: that Baby guy on February 10, 2010, 09:48:29 PM
I believe what's been said was along the lines that there is development in process with Pikmin 3, or at least a NEW Pikmin game, but they weren't revealing the scope of the development underway, and essentially that could mean just two people have been talking about it, and working on concept, and the like.
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Post by: King of Twitch on February 10, 2010, 09:55:42 PM
Duke Pikmin Forever
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2010, 11:52:58 PM
You're not gonna need any salt for this one, but you will need a whole roll of toilet paper.
A large steaming pile of Bullshit has arrived on our door step, but considering that this is the "rumor" thread, it has a place on the shelf here somewhere.
Let's just say I warned you.....

New Nintendo handheld leak

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2najwjo.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2q8mumc.jpg)
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        Since Iwata-san broke his silence about his new baby today, we’d like
        to share with the world what we know about the project internally
        called ‘dawn’ or ‘dwn’. Last week we received information and a
        picture of one of their few prototypes being used for demo purposes
        right now. As we understand it, it will debut at E3 and it will NOT
        replace the current DS models.
 
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        -amazingly sleek and lightweight
 
        -screen covers the whole system
 
        -bezel is made of frosted glass (works like Ambilight, but can be
         directly manipulated)
 
        -STUNNING display (custom AMOLED by Samsung)
 
        -no cartridge slot (either that's a dev only thingy or it's going to
         be a DD only system like the GO)
 
        -powered by a one-chip solution by nVidia
 
        -‚clicky’ digital stick and two unlabeled facebuttons which are placed
         above the screen; no other buttons; no 3.5 jack either; nothing!
 
        -same gyro as motion+
 
        -some kind of touchscreen, but from what we’ve heard it’s a joke - it’s
         so imprecise you can’t use it like a regular touchscreen
 
        -no audio output (yet)
 
        -mini USB
 
        -WLAN a/b/g/n
 
        -RFID reader (speculated)
     
 
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Now don't forget to flush....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 11, 2010, 01:28:57 AM
Would this be good or not?  I can't make my mind up.  It seems like a bit of a waste.  A glorified GBM.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 11, 2010, 01:49:56 AM
Wow, how interesting and aweful at the same time. I'll believe it when I see it. But no way Nintendo would make such a teeny tiny thing, without the functionality of the DSi.
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Post by: that Baby guy on February 11, 2010, 02:03:54 AM
The second picture looks shopped, just from the awkward brightness, I'd say.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 11, 2010, 02:28:42 AM
Wow, that mess looks terrible! Why would you want the screen to go around the control elements? You can't see **** that way!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 11, 2010, 02:41:40 AM
It's tiny next to freaking LAPTOP KEYS.

My spacebar is bigger.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on February 11, 2010, 04:23:28 AM
I more wish the game shown in the mock-up was real than the system. Imagine a new Mario Brothers game with those graphics.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 11, 2010, 05:01:28 AM
There's no way that's real, but I kind of like the idea of the screen buttons showing what function they serve.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 11, 2010, 05:03:09 AM
I feel I've seen that game mock-up somewhere before.  Somewhere inside RawMeatCowboy's beard.
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Post by: that Baby guy on February 11, 2010, 06:15:59 AM
I more wish the game shown in the mock-up was real than the system. Imagine a new Mario Brothers game with those graphics.

That's from a desktop background IGN commissioned, I believe.  There's several various ones by the same artist.  My desktop has one featuring the Ice Climbers on it.  I figured it was supposed to be part of the mock-up to show how the screen displayed images, but it just occurred to me now that it's actually meant to be the game being played, which verifies this as a false rumor.

Edit: http://kotaku.com/5153692/a-collection-of-killer-gaming-wallpapers

That's a link to the wallpapers, I believe.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 11, 2010, 12:45:50 PM
The least credible part of the mock-up is what the device is.  It relies entirely on looking cool and its design makes no sense from a practical functionality point of view.  No one would ever want the controls getting in the way like that.  Only idiots who don't think things through for more than five seconds would ask for that.  So a company like Nintendo, or even Sony would never design it like that.  It only works as a mock-up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Deguello on February 11, 2010, 12:57:31 PM
I really hate stupid-ass mockups like that.  They screw with people's expectations.

I would suggest people getting used to the DSi or possibly the DSi XL's form factor (I actually think the DSi XL is too big myself)  Nintendo does not need to re-invent the wheel with this one.  The GameBoy Color was a massive upgrade power-wise (Texas Instruments to NES) to the Original Gameboy and it didn't look at all different, and sold gangbusters.

And no way in hell is Nintendo going to do that digital distribution crap.  The failure of the PSP Go is a sound rebuke of that method.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on February 11, 2010, 02:15:30 PM
Didn't the original GB actually use the same chip as the NES while the GBC was more powerful?
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Post by: Peachylala on February 11, 2010, 02:23:26 PM
Technically, it kind of did, except everything was in blackish green/black and white (though the sound was a near perfect match, sometimes but not always sounding better). The only way you could play those games in color before the GBC was via the Super Game Boy attachment. Some games Nintendo released during that era contained a special chip that allowed the SGB to give certain games special backgrounds and color pallets. nintendo geek plz
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on February 11, 2010, 03:40:42 PM
The least credible part of the mock-up is what the device is.  It relies entirely on looking cool and its design makes no sense from a practical functionality point of view.  No one would ever want the controls getting in the way like that.  Only idiots who don't think things through for more than five seconds would ask for that.  So a company like Nintendo, or even Sony would never design it like that.  It only works as a mock-up.

As good a point as this is, since Nintendo is usually more about substance over style, I think the best comment to dissprove this system is:

It's tiny next to freaking LAPTOP KEYS.

My spacebar is bigger.

Seriously, who would want to play a handheld the size of ASDFG?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Pale on February 11, 2010, 03:49:10 PM
I don't think this announcement will be a new handheld... unless that news that the new Pokemon gen is hitting DS is false....

My gut tells me this is going to be some sort of technical attachment for either the DS or Wii.  Something that enhances the horsepower in some way.

The pessimist in me just thinks this is going to be an announcement for a new wii remote that has motion+ built in.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on February 11, 2010, 03:51:50 PM
I think Pessimist Pale is probably right. Also a classic controller pro that didn't require being plugged into the Wii remote could be something too.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 11, 2010, 04:09:14 PM
Maybe a Classic Controller that you plug the Wii Remote into.

Maybe a Classic Controller that you insert the Wii Remote into.  Wait, that's a guitar.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 11, 2010, 11:39:58 PM
To sum it up, Sega is the equivalent to a run-down old building.  The building is so run-down, that it'd just be cheaper to make a new building then spend money on remodeling the old one.  Not to mention the foundation of the old building is so damaged, that even if you do remodel the old building, there's a good chance it could still collapse on you even after all the work.  This is why just making a new building is a cheaper and safer choice.

Well, Sega could be turned around through the same sort of process that turned Atari around. Some years ago Infrogrames purchased Atari's name and whatnot and then changed their name from Infrogrames to Atari. The new company isn't like the old Atari in any way, shape, or form, except that it has the same name.

Now, what Nintendo could do is purchase Sega's name and franchises, then shut it down and start a new studio from scratch and give it the Sega name and put them to work on the old Sega franchises. Again, this new studio wouldn't really be the same Sega, but it would have the same name and same familiar IPs so what's the difference?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 12, 2010, 06:10:31 AM
Well according to NGamer, who was the person who said Sonic was going to be playable in Mario Galaxy 2 last week, is now saying this media summit is going to be bigger then the last two E3's combined.

So if Sonic is in Galaxy 2, we might find out pretty soon then.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Pale on February 12, 2010, 08:48:59 AM
I have a feeling ngamer is going to be a laughing stock after the 24th.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 12, 2010, 10:59:20 AM
Yeah, a new system isn't going to happen. I hope the announcements include western release dates for several games Nintendo has only announced for Japan so far (most importantly Zangeki of course).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 12, 2010, 01:02:01 PM
I think its way too soon for a new Nintendo console to be unveiled. Its only 3 years into the Wiis life, and it is still the top seller, so it would be stupid for them to even mention a successor at this point. I can guarantee they are working on one, though, but even though they're working on it they aren't going to say a word about it until the year in which it launches, and 2010 isn't going to be that year.

I think what is much more realistic for what we will see at E3 is a Wii revision. Revisions have done wonders for the DS in terms of improving capabilities or boosting sales. Technically a revision is a "new hardware", so that would fit the rumor perfectly. On the other hand, it might be a new sort of peripheral, like a webcame type thing or maybe (and I really hope this is it) a DS player attachment to the Wii. Everyone knows about the cool GBA player that the GC had, so why can't there be a DS player for the Wii?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2010, 01:19:00 PM
I have a feeling ngamer is going to be a laughing stock after the 24th.

So Pale, whats up with a temporary NWR Press Pass so that you guys have a guy at the event in San Francisco on the 24th? 2 Passes would work better. Me and Pro*Daisy will cover the event together.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Pale on February 12, 2010, 01:29:50 PM
I have a feeling ngamer is going to be a laughing stock after the 24th.

So Pale, whats up with a temporary NWR Press Pass so that you guys have a guy at the event in San Francisco on the 24th? 2 Passes would work better. Me and Pro*Daisy will cover the event together.
We already have San Fran people. =P

I'm incredibly sad because I will be in San Fran from the 13th to the 20th.  This was planned months ago. Why'd they have to go and schedule it for 4 days after I leave?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Pale on February 12, 2010, 01:31:13 PM
Also, I would temper your excitement for that day just a little bit.  Though it's probably unlikely, there is a chance that whatever gets announced then will be embargoed until closer to GDC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2010, 01:34:32 PM
That's cool, not like I couldn't drop vague hints and feel all important till next month :cool;
You sure you don't need extra people at the event? the 24th is clear for me.... well I'll leave the offer on the table. You know how to contact me ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 12, 2010, 02:11:02 PM
ahahahaha I have work on the 24th.  It's too late to approve vacation time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2010, 02:25:47 PM
You do realize that you're not supposed to save your sick days for days that you are actually sick right?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 12, 2010, 02:32:51 PM
I'm saving up the sick days for payoff upon retirement >=|
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on February 12, 2010, 02:44:41 PM
I have a feeling ngamer is going to be a laughing stock after the 24th.
I have a feeling ngamer is going to be laughing at us on the 24th.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2010, 07:20:22 PM
Latest rumor is that Criterion (Burnout) is developing the next SSX game. The rumor comes from Official PSM, but since the last SSX came out on Wii and sold decently (I think), there is no reason at this point to think that the Wii won't get a version at some point too.

http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-that-should-be-true-criterion-working-on-new-ssx-163455.phtml
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It's a fact that Electronic Arts needs to get off its ass and employ someone (anyone!) to make a true next-generation SSX title. What if that "someone" was Guildford, England-based Burnout developer Criterion Games?

That's the rumor, coming straight from the latest issue of Official PlayStation Magazine. The title is said to be in development alongside the already confirmed "action" Need for Speed title that's set to ship this holiday.

Word of a Criterion-developed SSX started floating around awhile back when the company's official Twitter account dropped a mysterious message referencing SSX announcer DJ Atomika, as well as the "Peak 3."

Whether or not this is true remains to be seen, but with E3 set to be a huge show this year, we may hear more in the coming months. If someone important is reading this -- please make this be true... even if it's not.

Criterion Working On New SSX?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2010, 02:06:40 PM
Wii 2: have fun with this (http://kotaku.com/5471140/no-this-is-not-confirmation-of-the-wii-2)

So apparently, Nintendo Power ran a picture of a regular Wii remote with a photoshopped 2 in superscript next to the Wii logo because they accidentally used a photo taken from the internet like Capcom did with the Okami box art.

I believe it.

Still, the most believable hardware announcement would be a Wii remote with Motion Plus built in. Could be confusing to consumers, but the Wii has 173 first party Wii controllers/peripherals so I'm sure Nintendo could get away with it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 14, 2010, 05:13:04 PM
Nintendo should create a new controller that has not only Motion plus built into it, but also the classic controller as well. I'm thinking something essentially that you could just turn on its side and it becomes a classic controller. During normal play you probably wouldn't use the extra buttons/sticks because they would be in awkward locations when played upright.
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Post by: UncleBob on February 14, 2010, 05:31:41 PM
Yeah, a new system isn't going to happen. I hope the announcements include western release dates for several games Nintendo has only announced for Japan so far (most importantly Trace Memory 2 of course).
Fixed.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 14, 2010, 05:37:21 PM
Sounds believable enough. I wouldn't think that the controller for Nintendo's next system would look exactly the same as the current Wii Remote. And if they did introduce a Wii Remote with Wii Motion Plus functionality built-in, then they would put a + next to "Wii" if they really wanted to change something.
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Post by: Stratos on February 14, 2010, 07:42:53 PM
Sounds believable enough. I wouldn't think that the controller for Nintendo's next system would look exactly the same as the current Wii Remote. And if they did introduce a Wii Remote with Wii Motion Plus functionality built-in, then they would put a + next to "Wii" if they really wanted to change something.

Well, you have Wii Motion Plus and Wii Fit Plus so the next system being called Wii Plus makes some sense.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 15, 2010, 06:55:25 PM
DS2 rumors still floating around. Do Devs have DS2 development kits?

http://ds.nintendolife.com/news/2010/02/developer_allegedly_has_ds2_kit (http://ds.nintendolife.com/news/2010/02/developer_allegedly_has_ds2_kit)
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Could this be Nintendo's big reveal?

As Nintendo’s Media Summit approaches, rumours about what exactly the big announcement will be are starting to surface. According to French web site Gamekult, it could well be the unveiling of a DS successor.

Developer sources close to the website are said to have revealed that some studios have already received development kits for the new console. No other details surrounding the specifications of the handheld have been disclosed and Nintendo have declined to comment, obviously.

alternate source: http://gamekyo.com/newsfr34833_la-nintendo-ds-2-pour-cette-annee.html (juexfrance)
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 15, 2010, 07:26:54 PM
Quote
Nintendo should create a new controller that has not only Motion plus built into it, but also the classic controller as well. I'm thinking something essentially that you could just turn on its side and it becomes a classic controller. During normal play you probably wouldn't use the extra buttons/sticks because they would be in awkward locations when played upright.

I'm not sure if one could make something like that without it being an ergonomics nightmare.  I'm trying to think of a way this could sorta work.  Maybe like a dumbbell with the classic elements where the weights would be and a handle in the center to grip for motion control.  And Nintendo themselves said that part of the remote design was to go with something that everyone would be a familiar with - a TV remote.  A conventional controller on it's side wouldn't have the same marketibility.
 
I think the ideal solution is to just include BOTH controllers with the system.  Then everyone has one and developers can feel confident that they can use whatever control scheme they feel works best without fear that a certain chunk of the userbase won't be able to play it.  Nunchuks are sold seperately but there is NO concern about making games that support it because it's included with the console.  The classic controller is less supported because it's optional.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 15, 2010, 08:37:40 PM
An ideal solution would be to create a controller that negates the classic controller entirely. It's possible. There are too many peripherals for the system.

Anyway, I think it's possible for developers to have DS2 dev kits, but I doubt Nintendo is launching a successor this year. If it takes 18-24 months to develop a game on average, DS 2 arriving next year would make sense as developers have probably had them for a couple months now. The DS2 using nVidia's Tegra 2 rumors started around November 2009. That's about right, then.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 16, 2010, 12:19:32 PM
An ideal solution would be to create a controller that negates the classic controller entirely. It's possible. There are too many peripherals for the system.

The Nintendo Brainwave Sensor.  Yeah, that's probably why they passed on Natal, too.  ;)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2010, 01:19:08 PM
DS2 in the hands of Pokemon Company (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=235077)
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The rumoured DS2 development kits are in the hands of select developers in Japan - and include a motion-sensing function, CVG can reveal.

The biggest of the firms working with the device is The Pokemon Company, which CVG understands was the first third-party business to be offered the dev kit.

A CVG insider at one of the studios currently toying with DS2 said he was aware that "a handful" of developers had been given the hardware on a trial basis.

However, Nintendo informed him that it was merely the first version of what will become the finished product. The platform holder is asking those trialling the hardware for feedback - but our man is certainly impressed.

"It's genuinely the best thing I think I've ever worked with," he said. "I can tell you that it's got a 'tilt' function that's not dissimilar to iPhone, but does a lot more. We know that The Pokemon Company are getting special attention with it."

However, before our source went tight-lipped, he said he didn't expect the hardware to be shown at GDC.

"Any kind of March announcement wouldn't fit with the timeline I understand the second DS to be on,"
he added.

He wouldn't tell us any more for fear of being rumbled, but we'll keep digging.

So there you are folks, a motion-sensing handheld with definite Pokemon goodies on the way.

Unsurprisingly, a Nintendo rep told CVG today that they wouldn't comment on "rumour or speculation".

Fingers crossed for E3...
Just remember that Pokemon Company has pretty much only worked on DS & possibly Wii recently, so when they say that it's the "best thing they've ever worked on" that lets us know that it's likely better than a Wii.

But I'm hopeful for a TGS reveal in Sept with lots of games almost ready to go and a Late Nov '10 - March '11 release date.
It's possible that this is what Pokemon Gen 5 is being developed on too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on February 16, 2010, 06:56:46 PM
So can we finally get the handheld successor to Kirby's Tilt N' Tumble that I have waited for over a decade to have? =(
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2010, 07:54:27 PM
Another hardware rumor and a game rumor too.

This time from Gamelabo (japanese magazine)
translated by icecream @ NeoGAF
http://i50.tinypic.com/dfk4f9.jpg (http://i50.tinypic.com/dfk4f9.jpg)
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  • Game company 's idol simulation series 's latest game will be released on the Wii. It will utilize the engine from 's 2008 Wii game, [H] (......)
  • A Virtual Boy 2 is under development. And it's not going to be a standalone, but rather as a peripheral to the Wii. It will be released around the end of this year[/l][/l][/l][/l]
In other words, IdolMaster Wii and the new Nintendo hardware that we keep hearing rumors about is Virtual Boy 2.

The first one seems plausible, but VB2...? really? I doubt Nintendo wants to revisit that disaster when they are skeptical of wearing glasses for a 3D effect on a TV.
[/list]
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Post by: Stratos on February 16, 2010, 08:07:38 PM
I doubt it would be marketed as a 'Virtual Boy 2' but they may internally view it as the successor to the VB. I'll bet it has to do with 3D gaming. Maybe they are going to make headtracking mainstream as well?

Could it also be a mistranslation/understanding regarding a 'Virtual (Gameboy) Console' service on DSi/Wii?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
I have no idea since I don't read Japanese, but Iwata didn't like the idea of glasses worn for 3D effect on TV's so why would he be ok with the even more awkward head gear?
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Post by: Stratos on February 16, 2010, 08:51:03 PM
I have no idea since I don't read Japanese, but Iwata didn't like the idea of glasses worn for 3D effect on TV's so why would he be ok with the even more awkward head gear?

A simple headband with IR lights wouldn't be terribly clunky. It would be like wearing a beanie or headband in real life which many people do already.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2010, 09:07:47 PM
and even more people wear glasses, so what was your point exactly?
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Post by: Stratos on February 16, 2010, 09:11:58 PM
My point was that it could easily be made to not be awkward to use.

Many people thought that flailing your arms around to play games would be awkward and we all know how that turned out for Nintendo.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2010, 09:30:05 PM
But if Iwata feels that wearing glasses is not gonna work for him or the majority of customers and that is a fairly common thing that people all over the world wear, why would they come up with some retainer headgear that meant for head tracking?

That is the exact type of thing that takes gaming back into the basement and out of the livingroom. Unless Iwata's claim was that wearing glasses just for 3D wouldn't be acceptable and he will make glasses that do head tracking and 3D visuals on and off the screen, but that is all very unlikely and it's even less likely that we are getting headgear.

But please, feel free to continue to speculate.
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Post by: Stratos on February 16, 2010, 09:44:02 PM
I just can't think of any other way that you could produce something even remotely similar to what the Virtual Boy did  on Wii without some sort of extra equipment you wear. Unless they have actually figured out how to display science fiction like holograms.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2010, 09:50:44 PM
I have no idea either, but I'm not believing the VB2 rumor either.

I confidently sold on DS2 being the next hardware to be announced and at the earliest E3 but more likely TGS.
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Post by: King of Twitch on February 17, 2010, 02:17:04 AM
But if Iwata feels that wearing glasses is not gonna work for him or the majority of customers and that is a fairly common thing that people all over the world wear, why would they come up with some retainer headgear that meant for head tracking?

That is the exact type of thing that takes gaming back into the basement and out of the livingroom. Unless Iwata's claim was that wearing glasses just for 3D wouldn't be acceptable and he will make glasses that do head tracking and 3D visuals on and off the screen, but that is all very unlikely and it's even less likely that we are getting headgear.

But please, feel free to continue to speculate.

True. Not everyone has a head to wear it on.

Think of all the French-Revolutionary-gamers that wouldn't be able to participate.
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Post by: that Baby guy on February 17, 2010, 05:22:14 AM
I have no idea either, but I'm not believing the VB2 rumor either.

I confidently sold on DS2 being the next hardware to be announced and at the earliest E3 but more likely TGS.

Nintendo doesn't do TGS.  They'd rather have their own media summit to announce it at that time of year.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 17, 2010, 12:04:25 PM
I just can't imagine the next DS being announced with the 5th Generation of Pokemon being announced for this current generation. Thats why I don't think it will be out for another 2-3 years or so.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 17, 2010, 12:09:31 PM
No one specifically said it was coming out for the current DS did they?
(sorry, I don't really keep up with pokemon news, never played it)

What is the exact quote?
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Post by: UncleBob on February 17, 2010, 12:11:38 PM
True. Not everyone has a head to wear it on.

Think of all the French-Revolutionary-gamers that wouldn't be able to participate.

I was sad because I had no hat - until I met a man with no head.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2010, 01:03:31 PM
The original Virtual Boy failed for a variety of reasons. The main reason being that developers (including Nintendo themselves) didn't really throw much support behind it at all. Its as if Nintendo realized the VB was a failure, but they pushed it out anyway just to get rid of the ones they had already made.

But I also remember it caused headaches in people if they played too long, and possibly eye damage because of the lasers. It also was really awkward to play, and wasn't really portable in the sense that the gameboy was or the DS/PSP is. It was pretty bulky, and ate through batteries. It also only had two colors (red and black).

So for all of those reasons and probably more, the VB became a failure. But if Nintendo can address these issues I see no reason they can't make something SIMILAR and have it be a success. But the main thing such a system needs is real support behind it. The old VB didn't have any Killer App to speak of, and there was only about a dozen or so games total for it, and most of those were crap. Teleroboxer and Red Alarm were pretty cool though, and there was also Wario Land which may have been the best game of all for it (though still not a killer app).

Nowadays that sort of technology is a lot more mature. Back in 94-95 something like the VB wasn't ready because they technology just hadn't matured enough yet. Nowadays a company could make something that is full color instead of red/black and probably be a lot cheaper and more reliable as well.

Gunpei Yokoi's system wasn't necessarily a bad idea per se, but it was a bad idea for its time and it failed because Nintendo themselves turned their back on it. That doesn't mean it couldn't work out in this day and age with proper support.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 17, 2010, 01:04:53 PM
This has potential for the Teabagging thread, but....

Are we being Capcom'd Again!!? (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/02/17/rumor-monster-hunter-tri-portable-coming-out-this-year/)
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Hong Kong magazine Gamewave may have a huge scoop. This week’s cover says Monster Hunter Tri Portable, a PSP version of Monster Hunter Tri, will be in stores by the end of this year.

Gamewave correctly picked up on the Shin Megami Tensei: Persona and Disgaea 2: Dark Hero Days announcements before any other publication. However, they blew it with their Gundam x Gundam Next cover story, which sourced an edited image circulating Japanese blogs. We’re not sure where their information is coming from so this is a Lagiacrus sized rumor.

One thing to note is the stories Gamewave got right were PSP games and this was because the information came from early retail listings. A Persona product number revealed the game before Atlus could.

I don't care if the game comes to PSP, but if Capcom announces this game before it releases in NA and EUR then I hope Nintendo would be PISSED!!! It would be RE4 levels of sabotage and backstabbing again. Especially since Nintendo is handling all the marketing for MH3 outside of Japan and even including the CCPro in the package.

edit:
I'm glad someone from Capcom stepped to control this rumor before it gets out of control.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/mh-tri-portable-is-a-rumour-capcom
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"If Capcom was to announce a new Monster Hunter Portable game, the chances of its first appearance in any magazine other than Famitsu are pretty slim. We are not even remotely close to announcing a new Freedom/Portable game in the West, and I've certainly not heard of an imminent announcement in Japan. This is a rumour." - Capcom UK spokesman Leo Tan
But a certain Mikami quote can still be heard echoing through the halls of Capcom, so we'll just have to wait and see if Capcom decides to pull another dick move. This time they would be pissing off someone alot more powerful than a single developer though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 17, 2010, 07:32:49 PM
Some possible DS2 tech coming to surface?

Nintendo may use pressure sensitive touchscreens this year  (http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/lg-nintendo-may-use-pressure-sensitive-touchscreens-this-year-20100127/)
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One of the next big steps forward for touchscreen technology is creating a solid solution for gauging pressure rather than just touch, and doing so in such a way that it is cheap enough to be commercially viable in the gadgets we use everyday.

Such a pressure sensitive touchscreen may appear in consumer gadgets this year due to a new $1.4 million deal done between UK company Peratech Limited and Japanese display company Nissha.
[...]
Touch pressure makes the electrons on the two layers jump towards each other while the insulator keeps them separated. The coming together allows for pressure to be measured and sensors at the edge of the screen pick up very slight changes in the bend of the display (2 micrometers). What you end up with is a very accurate pressure sensor from this QTC layer that is just 75 micrometers thick. It also only uses power when pressure is being applied suggesting it will have very little impact on battery drain.

The significance of Nissha licensing QTC technology is due to the companies it supplies. Both LG and Nintendo are customers suggesting pressure-sensing touchscreens could be in both company’s futures. The licensing agreement Nissha has signed allows it to use QTC in screens smaller than 3.5 x 5.5 inches making this purely for mobile devices to begin with.

I'm not 100% sure what pressure sensitivity may bring to the table, but if it is limited to use in 3.5in x 5.5in (how big is that diagonally? 6inches?) a DS2 screen should easily fit into that measurement.

Anybody know what pressure sensitive screen would mean for gaming?
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Post by: Caliban on February 17, 2010, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: BlackNMild2k1
3.5in x 5.5in (how big is that diagonally? 6inches?)

6.5192 inches
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 17, 2010, 09:16:22 PM
Here is something that I didn't know about until just now.
Apparently the DS has pressure sensitive screens and the only game to take advantage of that fact is a HomeBrew game called colors.
http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42399 (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42399)

Has anyone played this game and can verify that it works as advertised?
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Post by: Stratos on February 18, 2010, 03:58:03 AM
I can think of a lot of game uses for pressure sensitivity.

In Trauma Center the harder you press the deeper you make incisions in a patient's skin. Also a drawing game like Drawn to Life or Scribblenauts could use it to make thicker marks.

In A 'World Ends With You' sequel some of the psychs could require you to press harder to activate.

A racing game could use a pressure sensitive digital gas pedal to make the car go faster.

Guitar Hero games could use it like they already do in the main game to differentiate harder drum hits from lighter ones.

Nintendogs 2 could use it for playing tug-of-war with your puppy; the harder you press the harder it is for the puppy to pull the rope/toy from you and you eventually will want to lighten up your 'grip' enough to let them win since that helps build a puppy's confidence. Also minigames in WarioWare and a new Mario Party could use them for similar 'tugging/pulling' activities. Not to mention a new Zelda could have those chain levers you pull to open doors but they fight back and you have to press harder to pull down the chain all the way.

Also, if the next Pokemon expands on the whole digging for fossils feature then harder taps would unearth more of an object but more quickly cause the walls to collapse. (this makes me want to see a fleshed out archaeology game on the ds, because you could also use the mic to blow away extra dirt among other things)

Those are just a few ideas off the top of my head.
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Post by: broodwars on February 18, 2010, 04:06:42 AM
There's good reason that most games don't make use of the touch sensitivity of the touch screen, though: last time I checked (and mind you, the last time I saw the official documentation was last year, and Standards change over time) Nintendo has a Hardware Standard that forbids developers from having the player repeatedly engage in activity that endangers or shortens the life of the DS.  Unless Nintendo builds those touch screens to handle a truly absurd amount of punishment, I don't see this Standard getting lifted.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 18, 2010, 11:58:39 AM
Well supposedly touch sensitivity was only in the regular DS/l models then it was stripped out for the DSi.

With those new sensitivity covers, would it actually allow another layer of cushion and could provide the safety that DS2 screen would need?

If you follow that link on the last screen, you would see some people did some really amazing drawing on the DS using that painting program Colors. I'm not an artist, but I would love to see something like that built into the DS2 like pictochat is for the DS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 20, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
Rogue Squadron coming to Wii? could it be a remake?
http://www.game.co.uk/Wii/Rogue-Squadron/~r346565/ (http://www.game.co.uk/Wii/Rogue-Squadron/%7Er346565/)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2yx28go.jpg)

Is this what Factor 5 has been working on?
Is this something that could be revealed at the upcoming Media Summit or merely a mistake on the part of Game UK?
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Post by: Stratos on February 20, 2010, 06:10:11 PM
Well, it has been rumored before and alluded to by Factor 5 so who knows for sure.

Whether it was a remake or a new edition I would get either one honestly. I would love it if it was a collection that included the two N64 games 'Rogue Squadron' and 'Battle for Naboo' except with updated graphics along with the two Gamecube titles. Though I doubt Wii controls could save the on-foot stages in RS3 unless they totally revamped them to be 3rd-Person-Shooter/RE4-esque which might improve them.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 21, 2010, 03:49:47 AM
Oh I hope so.  I loved all the other games.  The foot sections can be left out though.  I love being shot by a battalion of enemy troops and only being scratched. 

It would come with an X-Wing remote attachment.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 21, 2010, 07:04:24 PM
Activision about to challenge Pokemon (http://http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=235561)
....and on it's own turf.
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Activision is to release video games based on the Gogo's Crazy Bones franchise after agreeing an exclusive licensing deal, CVG can reveal.

 Gogo's Crazy Bones (http://www.gogoscrazybones.co.uk/) has enjoyed huge popularity as a collectible children's toy - with shops struggling to meet demand on both sides of the Atlantic. The franchise is widely seen as second only to Pokemon in the collectible toy market.

 CVG understands that Activision has signed an contract with the toy's creator, Magic Box International, with a view to releasing games on Nintendo formats.

 The US publisher is thought to be keen to replicate some of Nintendo's own success with its multi-million-selling Pokemon software on DS.

 Created by a Spanish family in the mid-1990s, Gogo's Crazy Bones has more recently won status as  a bona fide 'craze' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2447343/Crazy-Bones-craze-sweeps-British-playgrounds.html) - with some UK schools banning the figures.

 Its popularity shows no signs of stopping. A UK magazine, GoGo's Crazy Bones Mega Metropolis, launched earlier this year.

 There are hundreds of plastic Gogo's characters available - with each set of three costing around 99p. Rare figures are also on sale as an incentive to keep on collecting.

 CVG has contacted Activision for comment.

Personally, I've never heard of it, but I am also not the intended audience for this am i?
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Post by: Peachylala on February 21, 2010, 09:10:51 PM
@ RS Rumor: Weren't the games developed at Factor 5's American branch (which I will mentioned was horribly ass-raped by Lair's horrible sales)? Can the German branch take up the challenge?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 21, 2010, 09:20:52 PM
I think the American Branch still exist.
It's called White Harvest or something and they currently hold all the active development for the German Headquarters. Some sort of bankruptcy/startup payroll avoidance scam or something. The whole story is either in this thread or some thread on this forum somewhere. I'll look for it later.


edit: Because I know you were looking to do a little time traveling.

This is where I explain Factor 5 GmbH vs Factor 5 San Rafael (California) - May 14th, 2009
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg512020#msg512020 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg512020#msg512020)

This is when the rumor first came up about F5 working on something - April 4th, 2009
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg500976#msg500976 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg500976#msg500976)

This is when NWR first reported on it - June 17th, 2009
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28616.msg522769#msg522769 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28616.msg522769#msg522769)

edit 2: And just to tie into the Game UK Rogue Squadron listing, here is when it became pretty obvious that Rogue Squadron was still in development.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg549733#msg549733
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Post by: Shaymin on February 21, 2010, 11:33:20 PM
Activision about to challenge Pokemon (http://http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=235561)
....and on it's own turf.
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Activision is to release video games based on the Gogo's Crazy Bones franchise after agreeing an exclusive licensing deal, CVG can reveal.
Personally, I've never heard of it, but I am also not the intended audience for this am i?

I'm in the same boat, but I'm pretty sure this will bomb. Like it or not, a lot of these Mon games that aren't Pokemon bomb - only Fossil Fighters has charted, and that was once in a low month. If they get anywhere near the release of the 5th gen games it's going to get DESTROYED.

Remember Spectrobes?
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 21, 2010, 11:56:35 PM
I remember crazy bones. If you watch childrens programing you'll see the commercial for those stupid little things. I didn't know it was succesful. Maybe thats why I saw the commercials for years on end.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on February 22, 2010, 12:07:31 AM
I remember seeing those things around 8 or 9 years ago.  I thought the fad died quickly...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2010, 12:41:22 AM
Since I've never heard of Crazy bones, I decided to look it up on wiki.


Quote from: wikipedia
GameplayOther than the collectible nature of Crazy Bones there are multiple games that can be played with the figurines including;[14] There are about 40 street games with the Gogos. Some of them are:
  • Traditional - Players take turns flicking Gogos at their opponents Gogos, points are scored depending on how many of their opponents Gogos are knocked over.
  • On-Line - players throw pieces towards a line on the ground, the closest to the line wins.
  • Battle - players line up multiple pieces and flick them towards the opposing players pieces in an attempt to knock them over.
  • Bowling - players line up multiple pieces and 'bowl' a further piece at them. (Akin to ten-pin bowling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-pin_bowling).)
  • Bomber - players place multiple pieces in a circle on the ground, then throw a further piece at them in an attempt to knock them out of the circle.
  • Airborne - players throw a piece into the air, then attempt to pick up a second piece whilst the first is still in the air. They then throw the two pieces in the air, attempting to pick up a third and so on until they fail. (Akin to Jacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacks).)
  • Basket - players attempt to bounce pieces into a box.[/l][/l]
I hope it doesn't use friend codes ;)

I could only guess what this game is gonna be like, but I won't be waiting up at night to hear about it.[/list]
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2010, 01:57:48 PM
Ignition's Shane Bettenhausen Expects DS 2 and PSP 2 at E3 (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178049)
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Sony and Nintendo's new handhelds discussed on the latest 4 Guys 1UP podcast.

In addition to David Jaffe dropping more hints about his next game, former 1upper and now Director of Business Development at Ignition Shane Bettenhausen spoke a bit on 4 Guys 1UP about what he expects to be the big battle at E3: new handhelds from Sony and Nintendo.

"I think the big story of E3 is DS 2 and PSP 2," he stated. "I'm really excited to see that."

And though he didn't offer any details about what he knows about the platforms just yet, he did say that "the two products will be very competitive, which is something that no one experienced [before]." Meaning, in terms of their feature sets -- such as whether they'll have dual screens, touch control, etc. -- they will be very similar. "DS and PSP both existed in completely different sides sides [of the spectrum]," he said. "If those two put out similar products at the same time, it really evens the playing field."

However, with similar platforms coming it seems the importance of exclusive content will become even stronger. "I think we're going to see a lot of fights for exclusive third party games," he said. "I don't think you're going to see the big franchises across both platforms."

Sounds like quite the battle, and sounds like this year's E3 will be certainly be an exciting one.

Tegra 2 vs PSP2!!! Fight!!!

and why are they trying to make it sound like PSP2 is gonna have 2 screens?
anyone care to speculate on PSP2?

But no big franchises across both handhelds.....? guess PSP2 already lost since MH is the only BIG franchise PSP has.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 22, 2010, 03:11:05 PM
PSP2 will have:

- 2 screens (one of which is a touch screen)
- Motion sensing
- Will use a Memory stick of sorts and digital distribution.

/sarcasm
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2010, 04:14:23 PM
But will it be clam shell or slider in design? [not sarcasm]
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 22, 2010, 05:17:29 PM
I predict the PSP2 will use Mini Blu-ray discs.
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Post by: Stogi on February 22, 2010, 05:19:30 PM
This will also never happen. Blu-ray drives are still mad expensive.
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Post by: Adrock on February 22, 2010, 05:45:16 PM
PSP2 is going to try to be the DS with one screen, better graphics, shorter battery life and a hefty price tag meaning that Sony will have completely missed the point again.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 23, 2010, 01:38:57 AM
This will also never happen. Blu-ray drives are still mad expensive.

It didn't stop them from putting a blu-ray drive into the PS3.

Look, I didn't say it was a good idea. I just said I predict its what Sony will do. It might be a big mistake, but everything we know about Sony makes this a very predictable move. Was the UMD a great idea? No. Was bundling the BRD in the PS3 a great idea? Probably not. But that didn't stop Sony, so why wouldn't they do something like that a third time around?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2010, 01:54:37 AM
mini brd could actually help blu ray in the long run.
A much better move than UMD.

Makes UMD seem like a good move on the wrong medium at the wrong time.
mini brd on PSP2 could be a good move towards making the drives more mass produced and adding value to the movies you buy at a higher price which would encourage PSP2 sales if they pack in a MiniBRD with the regular BRD.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 23, 2010, 02:17:14 AM
If the PS3's slot-loading disc drive were like Nintendo's and could accept mini-discs, that would work really well; too bad it's not. (It's not, right?)
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 23, 2010, 02:27:41 AM
Wouldn't a mini BD drive suck a heck of a lot more power? 
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Post by: Stogi on February 23, 2010, 02:29:43 AM
Insano: No idea.

BnM: But are they going to put movies on the PSP2? A mini-brd would cause the same problem the UMD did, in that no one wanted to buy movies that only worked on one piece of technology.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2010, 02:43:16 AM
But mini brd's would work in a regular BRD player and a PSP2, that is already much more support. HD movies on the go, but probably no special features on the mBRD.

Movies started off pretty good on UMD and died off quickly when Sony didn't follow up with a standalone player that played DVD's and UMD's. You are right, who wanted a movie that only works on a PSP. mBRD shouldn't have that issue as it is a BRD that would work in a regular BRD player. I'm sure all BRD players can be firmeware upgraded to make the laser look for smaller disc than usual assuming that it reads from the outside in.

I honestly wouldn't be mad at Sony for going that route as it not only differentiates the PSP2 from the DS2, but it will make the PSP2 expensive and take it out of the same market as DS once again. It will once again be the High-end handheld, and to be honest, that is PSP's corner of the market and they should stick to that. PSP is the most successful competitor to a Nintendo handheld ever and they did it being the High End handheld, so the might as well stay on the same track and improve on past failures.

Like I said b4 I think UMD was a good idea at the wrong time with the wrong medium.
But mBRD's need to be free standing disc like GC disc and not cartridged like UMD.
It could be like the convergence of the minidisc and the UMD formats as soon as they make BRD burners affordable.
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Post by: Stogi on February 23, 2010, 03:19:47 AM
I just think discs are always going to be a bad idea. I also think pushing graphics on a handheld is a terrible idea as well. I'd much rather it focus on durability and processing power.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2010, 03:41:46 AM
Sony and MS's job is to push the envelope, including online connectivity and Nintendo will handle all the gameplay innovation and fun. Everyone knows their place and Sony & MS will make the tech affordable so that Nintendo can use it quicker.

I applaud Sony for keeping the edge bleeding as I'm not worried about buying what they are selling. I root for another Nintendo victory but I also hope Sony finds their success pushing the technology, just not as much success as Nintendo. I also hope MS keeps stepping on Sony's heels and making them force their hand early. It keeps things interesting and eventually one of them will have to give. All their spoils are likely to go to Nintendo and that is likely the console I will own first.

So if Sony wants to push a disc(and they should, gotta make BRD stick or they are kinda screwed) then so be it, but I don't really care for BRD's so it's not like it's something I'm even interested in. There will be another format in the next 5-7 years that will be a much better option(HVD?) and BRD still wouldn't have killed off DVD yet, so Sony really needs to push hard if BRD is to get a grip on the market.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 23, 2010, 04:37:20 AM
A mini-brd would cause the same problem the UMD did, in that no one wanted to buy movies that only worked on one piece of technology.

Not true. Mini BRD are fully playable on any (or at least most) BR players. Its just like with Mini CDs and Mini DVDs which have been around for years. If you ever pop open your DVD player or DVD-drive on your computer and you look at the tray you can see the spot where you put the regular discs, and then in the center is a spot you can put the Mini Discs. BRD have carried on that legacy...

So a Mini BRD drive in the PSP2 wouldn't be faced with that problem that UMD had. If movies started being pumped out in Mini BRD format they would be playable on PSP2 and on any other BRD player. The only real issue I can see is that by being Mini it will have far less storage capacity that a regular sized BRD. This might be an issue for lengthy movies or games. But then again, maybe they could use dual-layer mini brd or something to pump up the storage space so that its the same as a regular size disc.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 23, 2010, 04:40:30 AM
I just think discs are always going to be a bad idea. I also think pushing graphics on a handheld is a terrible idea as well. I'd much rather it focus on durability and processing power.

I agree completely. Once again, let me repeat that I didn't say I thought it was a great idea; I just said I think its what Sony will do based on its track record. Right or wrong, Sony seems to love Optical media. They've invested heavily in it (probably more than any other company), and they've never released a console that wasn't based on one kind of optical hardware or another. Nintendo was reluctant to embrace optical media, and I think they still love carts as we see with the DS, but Sony is the exact opposite.

Again, it might be a stupid move on the part of Sony, but it matches their personality to a T. That's why I'm predicting this is what they will do. Now, whether I think its a wise move or not is another story...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2010, 04:51:25 AM
A mini-brd would cause the same problem the UMD did, in that no one wanted to buy movies that only worked on one piece of technology.

Not true. Mini BRD are fully playable on any (or at least most) BR players. Its just like with Mini CDs and Mini DVDs which have been around for years. If you ever pop open your DVD player or DVD-drive on your computer and you look at the tray you can see the spot where you put the regular discs, and then in the center is a spot you can put the Mini Discs. BRD have carried on that legacy...

So a Mini BRD drive in the PSP2 wouldn't be faced with that problem that UMD had. If movies started being pumped out in Mini BRD format they would be playable on PSP2 and on any other BRD player. The only real issue I can see is that by being Mini it will have far less storage capacity that a regular sized BRD. This might be an issue for lengthy movies or games. But then again, maybe they could use dual-layer mini brd or something to pump up the storage space so that its the same as a regular size disc.
I actually think that the mBRD version of movies would have to be 720p due to space issues. And I think mBRD as the media format for PSP2 is a great idea if then can fix the battery issue. Maybe lots of RAM and to load all important data for games into the memory and only use the disc when necessary, or partial installs to frequently used software won't need to access the disc very often at all. The only issue would be with watching actual movies that would stream off the disc.
As long as you could get 6hrs total play time and/or 3hrs of movie time on a single charge, I think PSP2 would do fine.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 23, 2010, 06:03:05 AM
Well, I think batteries have improved a great deal these last few years. Back in 2005 when the old PSP came out batteries for portable devices was in its infancy. Now everyone uses netbooks and iphones and all sorts of gizmos like that, so I'm sure that technology had matured a lot. You can look at the DS and how the newer models offer a much better battery life than the original Phat model did.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 23, 2010, 06:50:53 AM
As I said, the Wii is the only device I know of with a slot-loading disc drive that will accept mini discs. The vast majority of slot-loading drives, such as, I'm assuming, the ones the PS3 uses, not only won't play a mini disc, but will be really screwed up if you even just stick a mini disc into them. Sony's not going to use a format for the PSP2 on the basis of compatibility if it's not even compatible with their other game console.

As for batteries, 10 hours should be the minimum battery life for a handheld. I have a ton of games on my iPhone that I love, but I was afraid to play them much until I recently got a battery pack for it, because playing games on that thing will kill the battery in 5 or 6 hours.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 23, 2010, 07:19:34 AM
As I said, the Wii is the only device I know of with a slot-loading disc drive that will accept mini discs. The vast majority of slot-loading drives, such as, I'm assuming, the ones the PS3 uses, not only won't play a mini disc, but will be really screwed up if you even just stick a mini disc into them. Sony's not going to use a format for the PSP2 on the basis of compatibility if it's not even compatible with their other game console.

Sony had no qualms about releasing the PSP with the UMD format which was incompatible with the PS2 (and also PS3). So you can't discount the possibility just because the PS3 won't accept Mini-BRD.

Even if the PS3 won't (I'd like to see some conclusive evidence of that too, btw) accept Mini-BRD, most other BRD players will. And who is it that is behind the BRD format and wants it to succeed at every cost? Why, Sony. That's who.

The UMD is a failure, and I can't see Sony maintaining it in the PSP2. I suppose it is possible they might make a UMD 2.0 format. The benefits that would offer is 1) No one can burn UMD discs without Sony's authorization, and 2) it would maintain backwards compatibility with the original PSP library.

So that's something they *might* do. But why bother? BRD is their flavor of the month. They need to make it Mini-BRD though, because of the fact the PSP2 is a portable. I guess its possible it could be regular BRD...

I'm looking at this from all angles and trying to figure out what Sony would think is the best way to go. I've narrowed the possibilities down to these:

1) Mini-BRD
2) UMD 2.0
3) Regular BRD

They *could* reject optical media and go with flash media like the DS uses, or just rely on internal storage via downloads, but those routes are very wise and logical, and that's why I kinda doubt Sony would pursue them. So I'm stuck with those 3 choices above. Which one will they do? I guess it won't be long til we find out... Anyone want to place bets?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 23, 2010, 07:45:40 AM
Actually I think that handhelds are moving further and further away from physical media...and Sony has hinted about that with the new PSP Go.  It wants to move away from physical disks and move directly to download content.

I can see Sony going purely with download content like the Apple Apps store for the next PSP. 

Honestly, I think that is a good idea.  The biggest hinderance to portable gaming is actually carrying around all your games.  Having downloadable content would make the whole portable experience better. 

So I don't see mini Blue-Ray disks.  And even if they were created...I don't see Sony doing the mistake of putting movies on them again.  That was a big waste of money.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2010, 11:32:32 AM
You're forgetting the fact that UMD only failed because you could only play them on the PSP. A mBRD enabled PSP2 would encourage sales on of not only BRD but also of new BluRay players.

I have no idea if PS3 can play mBRD or not, but that's nothing a hardware revision couldn't fix. There is no reason to not push it with PSP2 especially since they can just release a compatible drive with the PS4. You have to remember that Sony has a lot of money invested in the success of BluRay and the format is doing ok, but it's not doing as good as Sony might want to lead us to believe. If Sony wants to standardize the format, then they need to put it in everything that it makes sense to put it in, and it makes sense to put it in the PSP2.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 23, 2010, 02:30:15 PM
Sony might have been testing the "downloads only" waters with the PSPgo, but let's not forget that the PSPgo was a huge flop. So if they were using that to test the waters, we can assume they found the waters frigid and deep. Or muddy and crocodile infested... or whatever.
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Post by: Pale on February 23, 2010, 02:41:17 PM
Chozo, your point is very valid.  However, the iPhone has proven that people are willing to buy digital games assuming its convenient.  The only wrinkle with that is that the pricing system on the platform is messed up beyond all reason.

Sony's primary mistake with the digital distribution on the PSP is also pricing.  Because the PSP in general is not very popular, 99% of games are cheaper to buy on UMD.  This makes digital distribution very unappealing through no fault of its own.

I want to buy Dissidia digitally, but it still runs 39.99 even though it's at most 29.99 in any store.  If they have any hope of current PSP owners transitioning or potential new PSP owners going Go over the older system, they need to update their online game store frequently enough to compete with retail.
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Post by: that Baby guy on February 23, 2010, 03:25:14 PM
I definitely agree, since you don't get physical boxes, manuals, and all that, and only have 16 GB with the PSPGo, I definitely wouldn't be willing to pay the full retail price for most games.  It's less of a value than the alternative, even if both remain at retail.  I'd expect a premium price for buying a lesser product direct from the "head" distributor.

So, yeah, I'd be willing to potentially do business on a DLC device, provided it's been made to do business with me, with realistic expectations from the content-provider's side.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 23, 2010, 04:06:28 PM
Retailers wouldn't be happy with a downloads-only system, because how can they sell games with that? I also think it might weaken sales, because kids like to bother their parents to buy this or that game for them when they're out shopping and see something cool behind a glass case. I suppose they could bother their parents to buy it for them through an online download system, but not everyone has wifi or access to it and those who do might be reluctant using their credit cards through it.

And like others have said, you don't have a tangible product that you can give to your friends or sell or use on other systems. You buy it for one system, and that's it. Then the system breaks and you lose it... at least with tangible media, if your system dies you still have a disc or cart you can use on a new system.
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Post by: Stogi on February 23, 2010, 05:02:25 PM
Download-only worked for Apple because of the 3G network. Unless Sony wants people to also sign up for coverage, it'll never work. The only reason the DSi can get away with it is because those games are cheap.
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Post by: Pale on February 23, 2010, 08:51:21 PM
Download-only worked for Apple because of the 3G network. Unless Sony wants people to also sign up for coverage, it'll never work. The only reason the DSi can get away with it is because those games are cheap.
I don't necessarily agree. I think the iPod touch is successful enough in its own rights.
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Post by: Stogi on February 23, 2010, 08:57:35 PM
yeah but how many people own an iPod touch compared to an iPhone? I'm asking because I don't know.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2010, 09:49:56 PM
Super Mario Galaxy 2 in June (http://www.wiids.nl/article.php?id=32470)
The above link is in Dutch, but that 's what it's saying.
Quote from: Google Translated
Super Mario Galaxy-2 release in June

NGamer hint naar een hands-on en Wii-DS naar de releasedatum! NGamer hint for a hands-on Wii and DS to the release date!

Super Mario Galaxy 2 ligt dit jaar nog voor de zomer in de winkels. Super Mario Galaxy is 2 years before this summer in the shops. Althans, één van onze meest betrouwbare bronnen liet weten dat het spel in juni in de winkels ligt. At least, one of our most reliable sources said that the game is in stores in June. Een optimistische voorspelling, aangezien de Fransen de titel in Augustus verwachten. An optimistic forecast, given the French title in August expect. Het Engelse blad NGamer schrijft dat men in het volgende nummer een hands-on verslag heeft over de titel. The British magazine NGamer writes that in the next issue a hands-on report on the title. Super Mario Galaxy 2 kan zo maar eens het paradepaardje zijn van de Nintendo Media-Summit die morgen in Amerika en overmorgen in Europa van start gaat. 2 Super Mario Galaxy may just be the flagship of the Nintendo Media Summit tomorrow in America and in Europe the day after starting.
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Post by: Stogi on February 23, 2010, 10:34:25 PM
If Metroid is suppose to release this Summer and now Galaxy as well, what will Nintendo release this winter?
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Post by: that Baby guy on February 23, 2010, 10:40:13 PM
Final Fantasy XIII XD Edition.  Just to make 360 and PS3 fanboys angry.

Really, though, I could see Sin and Punishment being held back to specifically compete with a game like Bioshock 2, except Bioshock 2 just came out, right?

So I'm not so sure what to expect Winter.  Let's all assume the old "surprise" titles: F-zero, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, Ice Climber MEGA Sequel, 2D Metroid, and Newer Super Mario Bros. Expansion Title Wii.  Also Brawl upgrade.
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Post by: Stratos on February 24, 2010, 12:30:56 AM
If Metroid is suppose to release this Summer and now Galaxy as well, what will Nintendo release this winter?

Zelda Wii, which until stated otherwise is still planned for Winter 2010.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on February 24, 2010, 12:58:24 AM
It will be 4 years since the last console Zelda was released, this coming Christmas.  I don't know why some people think there's no chance it will be ready.

I'd also expect another 'expanded audience' title a la WiiFit, WiiSports for the Christmas season.  Might involve the pulse monitor.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 24, 2010, 01:02:19 AM
You mean WiiRelax? that's whats coming this Fall/holiday season.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on February 24, 2010, 01:14:23 AM
Well that hasn't been announced, so I'm not going to make that conclusion.  But something of that variety should be expected.
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Post by: Stratos on February 24, 2010, 02:52:50 AM
Well that hasn't been announced, so I'm not going to make that conclusion.  But something of that variety should be expected.

Hey! Has anyone predicted that we'll see WiiRelax at the media summit? Or is the general consensus that it is being held until GDC or E3?
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Post by: Stogi on February 24, 2010, 03:16:22 AM
No. You got dibbs.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 24, 2010, 03:20:56 AM
We all figure Nintendo will announce everythng we want to hear about at the summit & GDC to make room for 30 minutes of self back patting sales charts and then 30 more minutes of WiiRelax reveal at E3.
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Post by: Stogi on February 24, 2010, 03:22:07 AM
But I want Miyamoto to enter the stage on horseback to officially unveil Zelda!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 24, 2010, 03:23:52 AM
Maybe the E3 conference will run over an hour to make room for a 5 minute Zelda reveal.
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Post by: Stogi on February 24, 2010, 03:27:30 AM
It better!
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Post by: Mop it up on February 24, 2010, 03:39:18 AM
Has anyone yet predicted that they will announce the black Wii for North America?

It will be 4 years since the last console Zelda was released, this coming Christmas.  I don't know why some people think there's no chance it will be ready.
I think people just don't want to get their hopes up, considering that Zelda games have the tendency to get delayed. As for myself, I don't really anticipate games that far in advance, so I don't care so much what the date might be.
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Post by: Stogi on February 24, 2010, 03:44:24 AM
I have a feeling that you'll anticipate Zelda all the way up to the NUTBUSTER release once footage is shown.
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Post by: Stratos on February 24, 2010, 05:53:31 AM
I don't like that term...it makes me cringe in memory pain from playing roller hockey back in the day and the painful shots I took in places a the goalie.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2010, 12:18:46 AM
DS2 @ E3
Nintendo's next handheld is drastically more powerful, and dev kits are in the wild.
 <a href=/newsArt.cfm?artid=22674>http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=22674 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=22674)

 Developers have their hands on the DS2, and the system could be unveiled at E3 2010, according to an anonymous source.    <P>
The source said that a developer is working on a title for the DS successor, which was billed as being much more powerful, and that the release date is set. When pressed, the developer only hinted at the fact that the system won't be announced at the Game Developer's Conference in March, but might be announced at E3 2010 in June.    <P>
All the recent rumors make this scenario very plausible, and there is a possibility that the DS2 could be hitting Japan before the year is out. <P>

Just as I thought. Either E3 or TGS but according to too many sources it's scheduled to release near the end of this year. ::crosses fingers for Tegra 2::
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Post by: Adrock on March 02, 2010, 06:46:56 PM
I'd be very surprised if they launch in Japan before the end of the year. Kind of negates the slight hardware boost Nintendo gave the DSi. Then again, if Nintendo really cared, they wouldn't have bothered with DSi in the first place knowing DS2 was so close.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2010, 06:57:17 PM
same with the GBC or the GBASP/GBm although I don't really know when the either of those came out in relation to the follow-up system.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 02, 2010, 07:44:00 PM
Game Boy Color was a new system and was released about three years before the Game Boy Advance. That isn't as long as it could have gone given its popularity, but I guess Nintendo wanted a more capable handheld.

The GBA SP was about a year and a half into the GBA market life so it was around for also about a year and a half before the DS was released. The difference between it and the DSi is that the SP doesn't have any exclusive games for it like the DSi does with DSiWare. It's akin to the DS Lite, you didn't need an SP to play any games so you weren't missing out on anything if you didn't buy one.

Game Boy Micro was just a cheap way to manufacture Game Boy systems for people who didn't want to get a DS, that one is moe like the NES and SNES redesigns.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2010, 08:16:04 PM
But my point was that they were upgrades and released in a time frame not so different from that of the DSi to the DS2 which will be around 1.5-2yrs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 02, 2010, 08:26:32 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Nintendo launched a new handheld late this year. Though I think it would be only in Japan this year, and it would be sometime next year before it is released in other territories.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 04, 2010, 01:10:40 AM
But my point was that they were upgrades and released in a time frame not so different from that of the DSi to the DS2 which will be around 1.5-2yrs.

But the DSi is much more than a regular upgrade, because it adds features that break full compatibility with the original DS. For example, there are now DSi specific games that can't be done on the DS, and everything on DSware falls into that category as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2010, 01:24:01 AM
But my point was that they were upgrades and released in a time frame not so different from that of the DSi to the DS2 which will be around 1.5-2yrs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2010, 12:24:01 PM
Edit: Looks like it's the back of the Euro box, but still doesn't explain why it was being sold in 2 different Walmarts if the sources were to be believed.

BIG RUMOR: BLACK WII TO BE STEALTH LAUNCHED IN NORTH AMERICA!!!?
TBA @ GDC?

It is supposedly already out at the Wal*Mart in Canon, Michigan and on sale for $199.99. They supposedly had 35 in stock.... WTF is going on.

sources:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/992716 (http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/992716)
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php? (http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1899726&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SlickdealsnetForums-9+%28Hot+Deals+-+SlickDeals.net+Forums%29&id=1548985)

Possible N.A. Black Wii/Wii Sports Resort Bundle
(http://i47.tinypic.com/f208it.jpg)

but before anyone says "That's the Euro Version"
(http://i45.tinypic.com/153s2ef.jpg)
^That is the Euro Version.

Could it be announced at GDC? Why not at the Media Summit?

edit: it's entirely possible that it is just the back of the EURO box, but why would they be being sold at Walmarts in Michigan and Oklahoma (according to the sources)?

UPC 45496880156 - Can you check on this Uncle Bob? If it's bullshit, just say so and if not, well then we know you can't say anything. So we await your response or non-response.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 04, 2010, 12:40:59 PM
Should I get this or a DS Obese?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2010, 01:02:35 PM
The only problem I see with getting a Black Wii, is how do I transfer my stuff short of sending them both into Nintendo and can I sell an almost new White one at a reasonable price considering the Black Wii would be shitting all over it in value at a price of $199?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 04, 2010, 01:29:37 PM
So true.  The black controller would also clash with my multitude of existing plastic controller peripherals.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2010, 01:32:15 PM
Here is a list of "confirmed" sightings according to Fat Wallet:

Confirmed Locations:
Canton, Michigan
Tahlequah, Oklahoma
Chula Vista, California
National City, California
San Diego, CA (Aero Drive)
Vista, Ca (black)


I'm about to call a few local Walmarts and see if they have the WiiSports Resort Bundle.

edit:
No luck on the phone calls, but I bet if this turns out to be legit, they will hit the store shelves Tues. March 9th when it is unveiled at GDC. Or they ill announce it during the SOny Arc unveiling at GDC to try and drown out Arc HYPE as everyone gets excited about another Wii price drop($50 game for free) and color change.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 04, 2010, 02:11:30 PM
Uncle Bob text messaged me and said "it's not black" I'm guessing he knows something.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on March 04, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
I know everything. all the time. after I come into work and research it. ;)

Like I said "It's not Black."

I think the photo of the box floating around is the *back* of the black European box.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 04, 2010, 03:05:45 PM
Wii Charcoal Bundle

It's not black, it's BBQ'd.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2010, 03:07:38 PM
The original source says that "colors may vary" but they have seen black ones.

I trust your inside knowledge, but did you also check the UPC code?
I just really want a Black Wii and already have the $200 in hand.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Pale on March 04, 2010, 03:16:06 PM
If this were real, which I'm doubting it is, I'd be tempted to buy it, but like others, the inability to easily transfer stuff between systems, or, better yet, share things between systems makes this nearly impossible.

If I could share, I'd be buying this and putting one upstairs in the bedroom and the other downstairs in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 04, 2010, 03:19:15 PM
i want one...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on March 04, 2010, 04:22:01 PM
This is the bundle I've been talking about.  Nintendo is finally adding in more real value to make the Wii more worth it's current price at this time.  Now if they'd just add in one more controller, or perhaps a black Wii-Remote w/ Motion plus edition of Wii Play, they'd definitely see a lot more interest in the Wii...


...Wait, didn't they just say that again, the Wii couldn't keep up with demand?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2010, 04:40:52 PM
The Wii is currently sold out or has less than 2 units left at every Walmart around me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2010, 05:49:47 PM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/260vl0o.jpg)

Wii Special Edition WiiSports/Resort Bundle spotted in the wild.
No pics of a Black Version in the wild yet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 04, 2010, 06:01:18 PM
None of this would surprise me if true, though if stores are breaking release dates then that would be very weird. I'm pretty sure that Nintendo would not be happy about that...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 04, 2010, 06:13:12 PM
Maybe they are overlooking it because it's stuff that has already come out separately and it is generating hype for them?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on March 04, 2010, 06:19:51 PM
Too bad there's no price sticker in the pic.  I'd definitely like verification that the price remained $200.  Are these stores offering lower prices on the base Wii package now, too?  There seems to be little point in that remaining $200...
Title: 8 ball
Post by: UncleBob on March 04, 2010, 06:26:15 PM
Price isn't $200...
...It's $199.

And it's white. They're all white. No black.
And it's a Walmart Exclusive.
Take that, Target. :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 04, 2010, 06:29:18 PM
That's bullshit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on March 04, 2010, 07:03:05 PM
That's bullshit.

Walmart Rulez, Target Droolz...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 05, 2010, 04:54:41 AM
I bought Endless Ocean 2 at Target...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 05, 2010, 09:25:13 AM
Price isn't $200...
...It's $199.

And it's white. They're all white. No black.
And it's a Walmart Exclusive.
Take that, Target. :P

No. That's  some bullshit.

I don't care about your fraternity like feud with Target.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 05, 2010, 03:41:20 PM
Target sucks, but so does Wal-Mart. Every place sucks.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GearBoxClock on March 05, 2010, 04:06:59 PM
Meh. Who cares about system colour? I'm more interested in whether this means I can convince my friends to get one so I'll have someone to play online with.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 05, 2010, 04:31:27 PM
Meh. Who cares about system colour? I'm more interested in whether this means I can convince my friends to get one so I'll have someone to play online with.

If Target sold a Red one I'd be SO on that.

Should I get this or a DS Obese?

I know you didn't mean a DSPhat, but I'd be tempted to prioritize a pristine DSPhat over a Black Wii.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 05, 2010, 05:18:55 PM
Meh. Who cares about system colour?
Well obviously we care about system color(:P) if we're discussing it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 05, 2010, 05:20:55 PM
I think he meant to ask "Why do we care about system color?"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 05, 2010, 05:57:25 PM
Because I want one in black....?

a white Wii stands out against everything in just about anyones AV setup and black would look so damn cool with the bright blue light sitting with  all the rest of the black AV equipment, including the TV.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 05, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
Meh. Who cares about system colour? I'm more interested in whether this means I can convince my friends to get one so I'll have someone to play online with.

You mean you don't want to play with us? T_T
;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on March 05, 2010, 07:43:37 PM
im with Kairon, i like bright shiny red things!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: kraken613 on March 05, 2010, 08:43:13 PM
I am glad to say I haven't walked into a Walmart in about 6 months!

A black one would look awesome. But too bad they didn't have a black one earlier on.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 05, 2010, 09:09:16 PM
Seiously, If they wait too long to release a Black Wii then I'll just wait it out till Wii2 Xmas 2011 ;)

J/K, I would probably wait it out anyway. Xmas 2011 is so close already.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 06, 2010, 04:39:37 AM
im with Kairon, i like bright shiny red things!

Like the Red iPod Nano...do want.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 06, 2010, 04:40:39 AM
Some people like their consoles white, and others like them black. I personally think the best console color is metallic/silver/platinum. When I got my GC it wasn't the standard fruity purple color, but rather the platinum edition which was awesome. I also got the platinum GBA SP and later a platinum DS Phat.

Now all I have is a White Wii and a Black DSi. They don't match, but they are never seen together so I guess it doesn't matter. I just have those colors because they were all that was available, but if I had a choice I would definitely go with metallic.  Black or white may or may not match existing setups, but grey/silver will go with anything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 08, 2010, 01:16:41 AM
I still wish I had imported an orange GCN.  I got an orange controller but never the console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2010, 05:56:08 PM
EA to bring NHL 11 to the Wii?

2kSports is bringing NHL 2k11 exclusively to the Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30779.0), and it was to be uncontested since there are no other NHL games on the Wii..... or atleast there was no other NHL games on the Wii.

Looks like WalMart had the scoop
EA is going to be bringing their NHL game to the Wii system this year for the 1st time. They showed us a video last week and it really looks like it could be something special.

the blog post on Walmart.ca has been removed, but I wouldn't doubt that EA would want to leave that market all to 2kSports.

Source (http://www.pastapadre.com/2010/03/10/nhl-11-coming-to-the-wii)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2010, 12:10:36 PM
Nintendo working with the BBC to bring us Dr. Who? (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/2889266/Doctor-Who-is-made-into-a-computer-game-for-the-Wii.html)
Quote from: The Sun
DOCTOR Who is to regenerate into Doctor Wii after BBC bosses signed a mega-bucks computer game deal.

Nintendo has agreed a contract said to be worth over £10million to create the much-anticipated game for its popular Wii and DS consoles.

And the firm is planning to get it into shops in time for the lucrative Christmas market.

The game is at the early stages but is set to be based around the new Doctor, played by Matt Smith.

It will also feature key Doctor Who baddies including the Daleks, the Cybermen and the Silurians.



An insider said: "This has been in the pipeline for years.

"We're delighted to have finally nailed down a deal. We went with Nintendo as they have huge appeal for families and Doctor Who is very much a family brand.

"The Wii console is key for us as it's something families play together."

The game will be closely monitored by the BBC, which does not want anything too violent.

Former Doctor David Tennant said the game had struggled to get off the ground as some developers had wanted the Time Lord to beat up his enemies and blow things up.

Who chiefs prefer the Doc to defeat baddies using his cunning rather than his fists.

David said: "The video game was quite actively developed, but it's difficult to nail as the Doctor doesn't blow things up.

He's not Batman, who goes around smacking people in the head."


Firms had been coming up with ideas for the last three years in a bid to tap into the show's success.

The insider added: "BBC Worldwide, which licenses BBC shows, has been trying to find some way of doing it.

"But you can't have Doctor Who blowing things to bits with a laser gun. That would massively change the nature of the show."

The BBC has made a fortune out of Doctor Who spin-offs - raking in around £100million.
I know it's The Sun which has a reputation similar to that of The Inquirer, but there are other, older articles from other sources that support this too.

BBC gets back into games! (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/37254/BBC-gets-back-into-games)
Quote from: MCV UK - Jan 21, 2010
Broadcaster's commercial division Worldwide wants to turn key IPs into DS, Wii, iPhone and online games, MCV can reveal
After spending years sat on the fence, the BBC is returning to games in a big way, MCV can exclusively reveal.

Via its commercial arm BBC Worldwide, the broadcaster is courting both publishers and developers to turn Doctor Who, Top Gear, In The Night Garden and many, many more into games for all audiences.

No stone will go unturned: the BBC wants to see its brands on iPhone and Facebook as much as it wants to see them on DS and Wii.

“We are open to conversations with anybody in games about all kinds of business models to see how we can extract more value,” said Neil Ross Russell, MD of children’s and licensing.

“Outside of Disney we have the most well-known line-up of children’s characters around the world.”
[...]
“There were a few opportunistic licensing deals, but we were largely aggregating and holding on to our properties to wait and see how the market developed.”

The new effort will push key kids’ IPs towards games for DS and Wii, while more long-running brands find their feet on all sorts of platforms.

BBC readies multiple Doctor Who games (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/37357/BBC-readies-multiple-Doctor-Who-games)
Quote from: MCV UK - Jan. 29, 2010
BBC Worldwide has told MCV that talks are underway to turn Doctor Who into an array of new games.
[...]
As part of the move, a variety of licensing deals for key BBC IPs are in the offing, with the BBC finally releasing its grip on the coveted Doctor Who licence.
[...]
“We’re having a lot of interesting discussions for a variety of ideas around Doctor Who that are complementary to each rather than in competition with each other – boxed product console games, virtual worlds and other experiences,” explained Dave Anderson, head of multimedia development at BBC Worldwide.

“The deals we are looking at are in different spaces, probably looking at overlapping but different audiences and are certainly delivering a different kind of experience.

edit: Just remember that this wouldn't be the first time Nintendo has worked with BBC. Nintendo (NST) worked with BBC on the iPlayer (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=29876.msg564743#msg564743) that released exclusively in the UK.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2010, 02:17:35 PM
Looks like its not a rumor anymore as MCV UK has already confirmed it.

MCV Confirms: Dr. Who game is real (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/37983/Doctor-Who-Wii-game-IS-real)
Quote
MCV can confirm that the Doctor Who title for the Wii rumoured to be in the works by The Sun this morning is real.

Furthermore, it will be released in the UK this October with Koch Media handling sales and marketing duties, though when asked by MCV the firm declined to comment.

The Sun reports that the game is based around new Doctor Matt Smith and will include appearances from classic villains such as the Daleks, Cybermen and Silurians.

The paper quotes an ‘insider’ as saying: “This has been in the pipeline for years. We're delighted to have finally nailed down a deal. We went with Nintendo as they have huge appeal for families and Doctor Who is very much a family brand.

“The Wii console is key for us as it's something families play together.”

Who is Koch Media and why are they distributing Nintendo games in the UK?
http://www.kochmedia.co.uk/?rid=3242723631599506700115811 (http://www.kochmedia.co.uk/?rid=3242723631599506700115811)
They've distributed Nintendo games before^

and then there is always this (http://www.kochmedia.co.uk/company.html?rid=1458769874337199805816334)
Furthermore, in 2006, Koch was appointed by Nintendo as its preferred distribution partner in Britain and Ireland and in 2007 was Presented the MCV Distribution Team of the Year at the Industry Excellence Awards.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2010, 02:41:33 PM
DS2 Detail Emerge From GDC!? (http://)
Quote
While nobody would tell me the name of the new handheld or the exact dimensions, I was able to extract some pretty cool tidbits on the “DS2″.
  • The system has two screens, just like the DS, but they are bigger and higher resolution. I’m sure most of you could have guessed that, but the interesting part is that the gap between the two screens is negligible. Developers will be able to use them as one giant screen. At the very least, this will allow for some awesome cutscenes. It also has some potentially cool gameplay potential, with developers shifting the action from dual screen to single screen depending on the situation.
  • The next Nintendo handheld has an accelerometer. I blame the iPhone for this. Everything has to have an accelerometer now. Yesterday I bought a sandwich at the Moscone Center and it had an accelerometer in it.
  • The dev kit is similar in power to the GameCube. Developers that worked on GameCube or Wii games will find it easy to create with. I found this information unusual. The DS successor is rumored to use an Nvidia Tegra chip, while the GameCube and Wii have PowerPC CPUs and ATI GPUs. The people familiar with the dev kit made it sound like there wasn’t much of a learning curve on the new system. I have to admit that I’m not familiar enough with Tegra, but I imagined developing for a system-on-a-chip platform to be different enough from developing for a CPU/GPU system. It could be ignorance on my part or maybe the DS2 uses something other than Tegra.
  • The developers I spoke with will be finished with their games before the end of the year. The Nintendo DS is still going strong and the company could delay the next handheld’s release if it wanted to, but it looks like an E3 2010 announcement and a late 2010 release.
That’s all I have for now. Remember, none of this information came from Nintendo. It came from developers that claim to be working on the new system.
Too bad he couldn't get some sort of confirmation on the Tegra chip or not. The extra multimedia capabilities built in(even though Nintendo could strip them out) would already make me grin from ear to ear.

I'm also really happy to hear about dual screen with virtually no gap so that they can be used a 1 screen. I'd imagine that DS BC would put a little black border inbetween the screens though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 12, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
I hope the ds2 screens have a better viewing angle too. The DS screens could be a little picky when playing it while lying in bed.

No mention of the storage medium, if I had to guess, I would guess cards kuje the DS except larger capacity and internal storage like the DSi except greater capacity.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 12, 2010, 03:06:48 PM
Koch Media is the parent company that owns Deep Silver publishing, makers of Cursed Mountain.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
I hope the ds2 screens have a better viewing angle too. The DS screens could be a little picky when playing it while lying in bed.

No mention of the storage medium, if I had to guess, I would guess cards kuje the DS except larger capacity and internal storage like the DSi except greater capacity.
I'm sure they will still with a similar media to the DS, they could easily expand the memory to 1GB+(not 1Gb like DS is now) w/o much cost difference.

As for internal storage, I really hoping they have at minimum 2GB with SDHC (load from card) expansion.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 13, 2010, 10:08:18 AM
Quote
The next Nintendo handheld has an accelerometer. I blame the iPhone for this. Everything has to have an accelerometer now. Yesterday I bought a sandwich at the Moscone Center and it had an accelerometer in it.
Isn't there an old Miyamoto interview where he said he wanted an accelerometer in the DS?
Quote
The dev kit is similar in power to the GameCube. Developers that worked on GameCube or Wii games will find it easy to create with. I found this information unusual. The DS successor is rumored to use an Nvidia Tegra chip, while the GameCube and Wii have PowerPC CPUs and ATI GPUs. The people familiar with the dev kit made it sound like there wasn’t much of a learning curve on the new system. I have to admit that I’m not familiar enough with Tegra, but I imagined developing for a system-on-a-chip platform to be different enough from developing for a CPU/GPU system. It could be ignorance on my part or maybe the DS2 uses something other than Tegra.
This confuses me because it's like he's talking about 2 different things. Two separate chipsets can be "similar in power" yet have completely different architectures. The whole thing is pretty vague and doesn't really say much in terms of whether or not DS2 will employ the Tegra 2. I'm still of the opinion that it will because it fits into Nintendo's general strategy: it's powerful yet efficient, affordable and conserves battery.

The entire rumor are safe bets. The 2 screens on being the most obvious one seeing as some DS games already used both screens as one. If I remember correctly, Metroid Prime Hunters did that. Increasing the screen size and closing the gap between the screens is the simplest solution to keeping backwards compatibility and evolving the hardware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 13, 2010, 12:44:46 PM
Well, I feel like this information is probably true.  It's not as wishful/awesome as most fake leaks are because most of the stuff is pretty standard and expected.
 
I do wanna hear about multimedia features too....:P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2010, 06:47:41 PM
Reggie schooled Casamassina in an interview recently http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1077356p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1077356p1.html)

Quote
Who knows? Maybe we'll leapfrog this HD generation in its entirety because at some point in the future maybe there's something better going on. All of this is conjecture at this point.

He knows something. He's not saying, but Reggie knows something.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 13, 2010, 06:52:28 PM
Reggie knows not to answer silly questions.  You're over-analyzing his answer.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on March 13, 2010, 06:54:05 PM
He knows something. He's not saying, but Reggie knows something.

No, the person who actually knows something is Iwata.  Reggie just knows whatever shows up in his Email every day from Nintendo of Japan.  ::)

Seriously, why bother interviewing anyone at Nintendo of America about Nintendo's future when they're all figureheads, especially regarding their thoughts on the competition?  It's not like you'll ever hear an independent opinion.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2010, 06:55:45 PM
Reggie schooled Casamassina in an interview recently http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1077356p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1077356p1.html)

Quote
Who knows? Maybe we'll leapfrog this HD generation in its entirety because at some point in the future maybe there's something better going on. All of this is conjecture at this point.

He knows something. He's not saying, but Reggie knows something.


Unlimited Detail ;)

Reggie knows not to answer silly questions.  You're over-analyzing his answer.

Or that too. ;D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 13, 2010, 07:07:25 PM
Maybe Reggie is hinting at the next console being a 3D system with holo-projectors and the like? Take that HD!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 13, 2010, 07:11:59 PM
Well seriously, the whole "WiiHD?" question has a pretext of the media alluding to Wii not being a current-gen console.  Answering in the affirmative would only give them the chance to say "we were right" and "Nintendo finally embraces current-gen core gamers".  Notice how they always say Wii2 or WiiHD?  I don't remember any references to a Gamecube2 or an N64-2.  Reggie's answer only explains that Nintendo won't release a new console until it differentiates itself and expands from the current-gen offerings.

Although I kind of wish he'd have said "Maybe by the time we actually release a new console, standard-def won't even be a recognized format anymore..."  We're talking about the next-generation of gaming, and personally I think high-definition would be the least interesting feature addition.  Of course the media would jump on this comment and claim Nintendo's giving up on core gamers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 13, 2010, 08:00:00 PM
Quote from: From IGN interview with Reggie
E3 -- you'll see what we have. I've learned that it's not to Nintendo's advantage for us to foreshadow what we're going to have at E3 because even the smallest little hint or perspective gets blown out to huge proportions. So you're not going to get any more information about E3.

Reggie hates HYPETRAINS confirmed. Though he has a point. We jump all over little tidbits like hyenas on a dead carcass and set ourselves up for disappointment. Though I think we're just masochists that way because I like getting aboard the HYPETRAIN even if the final destination is Disappointment-ville.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on March 13, 2010, 08:15:38 PM
More like he's learned to stop flat out lying about what's going to be shown at E3.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
FACT: Reggie fuels the hype train with his delicious cryptic nuggets of truth. He knows something, he can see the future.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2010, 08:31:26 PM
What he's really saying is that you can't start the HYPETRAIN too soon otherwise it'll either run dry before the nutbust or you'll
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 14, 2010, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: From IGN interview with Reggie
E3 -- you'll see what we have. I've learned that it's not to Nintendo's advantage for us to foreshadow what we're going to have at E3 because even the smallest little hint or perspective gets blown out to huge proportions. So you're not going to get any more information about E3.

Reggie hates HYPETRAINS confirmed. Though he has a point. We jump all over little tidbits like hyenas on a dead carcass and set ourselves up for disappointment. Though I think we're just masochists that way because I like getting aboard the HYPETRAIN even if the final destination is Disappointment-ville.

Hype is a good thing for Nintendo, but it must happen AFTER E3 and not before E3. E3 is when they hype needs to start, and from there it should build and grow until the product gets released later in the year so that sales do very well.

The whole point of E3 is to build hype up for future products, and it kinda deflates the purpose when the hype starts prematurely. I think that's what Reggie wants to prevent.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 15, 2010, 02:25:50 PM
If the DS2 ends up being similar to the Gamecube hardware, it will be all the more ridiculous to not introduce a Wii successor at some point.  We would get to the point where the portable games would graphically almost resemble the console games.  At that point, why even have seperate systems?  Why not just make it so you can connect the portable to a TV and then use it as a console? Then it's just one format.  And you just know some third parties are going to have multiplatform releases on the Wii and DS2, and the two games will be virtually identical, due to less effort being put into the Wii version.

But the normal schedule for a new console would be late 2011 and if they hit that timeframe we won't see the thing until late 2010 at best.  With today's Nintendo it probably won't be until the last E3 before launch before we see anything.

I think Reggie doesn't say much because he doesn't know anything.  Building up hype is only beneficial if you deliver and Reggie probably doesn't know what NCL has in store for us, so building up hype could hurt them.  He doesn't even give an answer on the obvious stuff.  Will the Wii successor support HD?  If we're just talking about the TV standard, of COURSE it will unless Nintendo are the most backwards idiots in the world.  Surely Reggie could state that if the TV standard is the concern that, yes, Nintendo would support it next time.  But he still doesn't.

"Can we expect both traditional and casual-style games at this year's E3?"  That's an easy answer.  You say something to the effect of "we strive to provide an entertaining experience for all audiences.  So if you're wondering if everyone will see something that interests them at E3 - that's our goal.  We want to make sure that every Wii owner has something to look forward to.  We wouldn't classify them specifically into categories, but if you want to, then, yes, both categories will be at E3."

That's just putting out small fires.  These are common concerns regarding the Wii.  And, no, being concerned about what Nintendo has on the horizon is NOT being anti-Nintendo.  If Reggie has an answer that can put out the fire, why doesn't he?  The Wii Music E3 went over like a fart in church.  Nintendo knows this.  Reggie knows this.  IGN was more or less asking "this isn't going to be like Wii Music E3 again, right?"  Reggie knows that that sort of E3 will not be well received and he stated that Nintendo's goal is to wow the attendees and the people paying attention at home on the internet.  He has the ability to say "don't worry" and put out the fire but doesn't.  That just suggests that he doesn't know and he's not confident enough in NCL to not make a liar out of him if he assumes that it is safe to put out that fire.

The thing is the pre-E3 hype will exist no matter what.  It doesn't matter what you say.  The only way to avoid that being a problem is to always have something great to show at E3.  And really all that is is making sure that there are great games coming out each year that Wii and DS owners would be excited about playing.  Nintendo is supposed to do that anyway.  I felt Wii Music E3 sucked mostly because what it really resulted in was about a year or so with nothing truly amazing from Nintendo.  Meh E3's signify a meh year and THAT is what sucks.  Nintendo, Sony and MS should always be working to avoid having a meh year.  It's their job.
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Post by: Adrock on March 15, 2010, 05:39:58 PM
At that point, why even have seperate systems?  Why not just make it so you can connect the portable to a TV and then use it as a console? Then it's just one format.
That's a terrible idea and misses the point entirely.

Some games are better suited for a portable system and some are better suited for console whiles others work on both. Mario Kart, for example, works well on either. I don't think it's a good idea to blur the lines between handheld and console. They should coexist and remain separate.
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Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2010, 06:07:45 PM
I actually like the idea of a dual console-handheld system. Play it in your living room or take it on the go when you want. It would have to be pulled of correctly though.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2010, 06:21:20 PM
I'd prefer they stay separate but have connectivity and synchronization.

And what I mean is that Home console games may connect and share data with the portable version and when they you connect the two after extended play on one or the other, then they would sync up their save data so that you can continue your adventure on either system or unlock certain things on the other systems game depending on what was completed the version you were playing.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2010, 06:32:43 PM
Do we have a predictions thread?

Wii Successor will be mentioned at E3 but not shown
DS Successor will be shown

Zelda will be seen
Retro won't show anything :(
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2010, 07:12:57 PM
I consider this our rumor and speculation thread for everything Nintendo (and in special cases other systems too)

So predictions/speculations/guesses or whatever fit in here too, no need for a separate thread.


My predictions:

DS2 revealed, to be release end of year in at least Japan.
dozens of games from Nintendo and 3rd parties revealed for the DS2 launch window.

Wii Relax & Vitality sensor official reveal.

Zelda Wii reveal, internet shuts down momentarily. Google hits the reset button.
Retro reveals what ever it was working on since MP3T. HYPE is too much to contain in the building.
The Last Story & Xeno Gears both shown and look great.
A few surprises from 3rd Parties, but it's all drowned out by Zelda+Retro 1, 2 combo.

Behind closed doors rumors about Wii2, rumored release date of end of 2012.
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Natal underwhelms(mostly the same games shown at the last major event & wiisports/fit/play clones), but Sony shows some very interesting game concepts that might be more the technical feats than actually fun to play.

Nintendo fans mad at amount of 3rd party core game support for Move right out of the gate with no planned Move-->Wii ports for anything of note.

3D gaming looks really cool, but proves to be too expensive for 98% of consumers to care about just yet.

PSP2 is announced, PSP Phone version also announced to combat iPhone and Android.

Some BIG name HD games get announced, most look like very pretty versions of games you already played this generation, others make Nintendo fans wish we had a WiiHD sooner than 2012 ;)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 15, 2010, 07:19:01 PM
I don't see the DS2 being unveiled at E3. I think it'll be out in Japan by the end of the year, with a March/April release in the West, but I think Nintendo's going to wait and unveil it at an event of their own in Japan. The mainstream media covers E3, and I think Nintendo is going to want to minimize the amount of people in the West who know about the DS 2 for a while so as not to sabotage the original DS's sales, which are still fairly strong here.
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Post by: Stogi on March 15, 2010, 07:24:07 PM
Zelda and Retro?

It's possible. I'm suspecting Zelda for a December release (if it is not delayed). Assuming Retro's game is almost finished, it could have October all by itself.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 15, 2010, 07:27:06 PM
Retro has been working on it with SK.
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Post by: ThePerm on March 15, 2010, 09:05:44 PM
SK better come back to daddy, Xbox fans don't treat SK right
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Post by: Adrock on March 15, 2010, 11:19:54 PM
My only prediction is that The Last Story is going to make Square Enix with Sakaguchi was still making Final Fantasy games.

Zelda being at E3 isn't a prediction since Nintendo already said it'll be there.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2010, 01:12:20 AM
Will the Wii successor support HD?  If we're just talking about the TV standard, of COURSE it will unless Nintendo are the most backwards idiots in the world.  Surely Reggie could state that if the TV standard is the concern that, yes, Nintendo would support it next time.  But he still doesn't.

Jesus christ, man. Nintendo is backwards idiots? Do you really thnk that just because they left out HD? I think the proof is in the fact they are the market leading console this generation. If they left HD out the next time around it probably wouldn't hurt them at all. From a profit sense this is a very wise move. Yet you say they're backwards idiots? Really? Come on! BTW, I think Iwata said (or at least hinted) that the Wii's successor will have HD, but I honestly don't give a **** either way. The vast majority of consumers don't care, or even notice.


The ONLY people who give a **** about HD are the people who spent $600 to get a PS3 at launch. I'm so damn sick of hearing about HD this and HD that. Who gives a ****? really??
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Post by: broodwars on March 16, 2010, 01:26:24 AM
Will the Wii successor support HD?  If we're just talking about the TV standard, of COURSE it will unless Nintendo are the most backwards idiots in the world.  Surely Reggie could state that if the TV standard is the concern that, yes, Nintendo would support it next time.  But he still doesn't.

Jesus christ, man. Nintendo is backwards idiots? Do you really thnk that just because they left out HD? I think the proof is in the fact they are the market leading console this generation. If they left HD out the next time around it probably wouldn't hurt them at all. From a profit sense this is a very wise move. Yet you say they're backwards idiots? Really? Come on! BTW, I think Iwata said (or at least hinted) that the Wii's successor will have HD, but I honestly don't give a **** either way. The vast majority of consumers don't care, or even notice.


The ONLY people who give a **** about HD are the people who spent $600 to get a PS3 at launch. I'm so damn sick of hearing about HD this and HD that. Who gives a ****? really??

By the time the next generation of consoles launch, the HD TV adoption rate will be significantly higher and as a result the percentage of consumers who "care about it" will naturally rise as well.  Nintendo would be foolish to ignore this.  They'd be foolish as well to ignore having a capable and comprehensive online service next time around as well as the entire world shifts further into broadband, for that matter.

And, incidentally, I didn't get my PS3 at launch but nearly a year ago (and I only paid about $350 if I remember correctly).  I had an HD TV, so I did indeed care about my consoles supporting HD output.  It enables my games to look their best on my best TV.  I've had to have my Wii on the larger, but technology ****tier, TV just to make my Wii games not look like slightly better-looking PS2 games (which is what they look like on my HD TV).  I really wish Nintendo had at least supported HD output, just so the really good-looking games look their best on my good TV.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2010, 01:39:14 AM
Well, I don't know about you but I'd rather have $49 games in SD than have to pay $60 for HD games like you have to do with the other systems. I have an HD tv already, but I just don't really notice much difference. I don't understand the hype. If you ask most consumers if they notice a difference they might a little bit, but they would rather not pay extra for it. Its just too small of a graphical advance to justify the extra cost. The ones hyping HD are the movie studios and companies like Sony that just want consumers to buy their products. They're stirring up hype to make money, but most people aren't interested. Look at the lower than expected adoption rate of Blu-ray as an example.

Sure, HD TVs are being adopted more and more, but that's just because only HD tvs are being produced anymore. If someone needs to get a new tv they'll end up buying an HD one, because that's all that's made anymore. He/she might not notice or care about the difference in picture quality. They might have rather spend a few hundred dollars less to get an SD tv, if one had been available.

Now look, the best selling games on the Wii (or this generation, for that matter) are games like Wii Sports with crappy Mii graphics that could probably have been done on an N64. Games like that are king, and they are apparently so cheap to produce that Nintendo bundles them like candy with hardware, but its a strategy that works. You don't see HD games being tossed around freely like cracker jack toys.  There's a reason for that: HD games cost a ton more to create. The profit margins are slimmer, even though the games cost more MSRP.
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Post by: broodwars on March 16, 2010, 01:54:52 AM
Well, I don't know about you but I'd rather have $49 games in SD than have to pay $60 for HD games like you have to do with the other systems. I have an HD tv already, but I just don't really notice much difference. I don't understand the hype. If you ask most consumers if they notice a difference they might a little bit, but they would rather not pay extra for it. Its just too small of a graphical advance to justify the extra cost. The ones hyping HD are the movie studios and companies like Sony that just want consumers to buy their products. They're stirring up hype to make money, but most people aren't interested. Look at the lower than expected adoption rate of Blu-ray as an example.

Sure, HD TVs are being adopted more and more, but that's just because only HD tvs are being produced anymore. If someone needs to get a new tv they'll end up buying an HD one, because that's all that's made anymore. He/she might not notice or care about the difference in picture quality. They might have rather spend a few hundred dollars less to get an SD tv, if one had been available.

Now look, the best selling games on the Wii (or this generation, for that matter) are games like Wii Sports with crappy Mii graphics that could probably have been done on an N64. Games like that are king, and they are apparently so cheap to produce that Nintendo bundles them like candy with hardware, but its a strategy that works. You don't see HD games being tossed around freely like cracker jack toys.  There's a reason for that: HD games cost a ton more to create. The profit margins are slimmer, even though the games cost more MSRP.

Well, I don't know about you, but if I feel I'm getting my money's worth I'd rather get the nice-looking $60 HD game rather than the typical slapped-together, disposable, and forgettable $49 Wii game.  If more Wii games were made that justified my time spent, I'd agree with you from an economic point of view, though.  At the moment, though, I'm sitting in the midst of one of the best gaming periods I've had in years with Bioshock 2; Heavy Rain; Final Fantasy XIII; Star Ocean 4; and Resonance of Fate.  From my perspective, each of those looks to have been $60 well-spent.

Where I think we reach a critical disagreement, though, is where we feel Nintendo can go next generation.  I don't think they can tap into that same audience that's buying all these Wiis, Nintendo having done such a good job convincing them that all they need is Wii Sports and Wii Fit in their life and nothing else.  Depending on how long Nintendo chooses to drag out the Wii's lifespan, the next console might have to be directed at more "gamer"-type folk like us, who care much more about tech and online.  Of course, if a radical new technology presents itself, history could repeat itself but I'm skeptical.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 16, 2010, 02:22:28 AM
I'd like to see numbers on what percentage of 360/PS3 owners have the console hooked up to an HD TV, and what percentage of those people are actually using HDMI cables. The fact that there are over 10 million 360s not connected to the Internet at all leads me to believe that it's far from ubiquitous.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2010, 02:52:30 AM
A lot of people don't use online with the 360 because you have to pay for it, or at least that's what they say/believe about it. The 360 has bar none the best online of any system this gen, but you have to pay for it so its something not everyone will take advantage of.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2010, 03:23:32 AM
A lot of people don't use online with the 360 because you have to pay for it, or at least that's what they say/believe about it. The 360 has bar none the best online of any system this gen, but you have to pay for it so its something not everyone will take advantage of.
not to mention that not everyone can drag an internet cable to their Xbox360 just to get it online and refuse to pay $100 for a wifi adapter that should cost no more than $15-$20.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2010, 06:00:33 AM
I honestly don't know why anyone would want to own a 360. Aside from the RROD nightmare, nearly every game available for it is also available on the PC. Why not just play the games on a PC? No RROD, and no paying for online play (usually).
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Post by: Stratos on March 16, 2010, 08:39:11 AM
Zelda and Retro?

It's possible. I'm suspecting Zelda for a December release (if it is not delayed). Assuming Retro's game is almost finished, it could have October all by itself.

What if Retro has been helping make Zelda. How's that for a trippy thought?
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Post by: SixthAngel on March 16, 2010, 08:42:27 AM
I'd like to see numbers on what percentage of 360/PS3 owners have the console hooked up to an HD TV, and what percentage of those people are actually using HDMI cables. The fact that there are over 10 million 360s not connected to the Internet at all leads me to believe that it's far from ubiquitous.

It is a small number.  I can't find the number now but it is small.  Think about it just...

First you subtract everyone who doesn't have an HD tv (a lot of people)
Then you subtract everyone who doesn't have it hooked up to their HDtv (bye bye living room, hello game/ruckus room)
Then you subtract people who don't know what an HDMI cable is, don't know that any new cables are even needed or don't know how to hook it up(a lot)
Then you subtract the people who just don't feel like buying it because they don't care/don't want to spend the money
Now you have your HD gamers.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 16, 2010, 09:14:35 AM
I honestly don't know why anyone would want to own a 360. Aside from the RROD nightmare, nearly every game available for it is also available on the PC. Why not just play the games on a PC? No RROD, and no paying for online play (usually).

Because not everyone has an up to date PC.  Myself included.  Many people just run laptops now.
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Post by: broodwars on March 16, 2010, 09:21:13 AM
I honestly don't know why anyone would want to own a 360. Aside from the RROD nightmare, nearly every game available for it is also available on the PC. Why not just play the games on a PC? No RROD, and no paying for online play (usually).

Because not everyone has an up to date PC.  Myself included.  Many people just run laptops now.

There's also the increasing problem of invasive DRM in PC games, and other such "perks".  For instance, the upcoming Command & Conquer game requires you to always be connected online to progress through the singleplayer game (as well as the multiplayer), as I believe do Ubisoft PC titles now.  I also find that as PC gaming slowly dies a rather pathetic death that I prefer my console experiences...on consoles!  Of course, this is counterbalanced by my complete unwillingness to buy a 360 due to the RROD, so it's just PS3 and Wii for me.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2010, 09:58:09 AM
I honestly don't know why anyone would want to own a 360. Aside from the RROD nightmare, nearly every game available for it is also available on the PC. Why not just play the games on a PC? No RROD, and no paying for online play (usually).

Because not everyone has an up to date PC.  Myself included.  Many people just run laptops now.

But you could buy an up to date PC for the prices many people are paying to buy and then rebuy 360s over and over again. I've heard stories of people now on their 5th, 6th, or 7th 360 now. Its insane.

Of course, MS's warranty will cover you for awhile, but that doesn't last forever and then it gets costly. Plus PCs can do a lot more stuff, so I'd say they're the better way to go.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2010, 10:00:13 AM
I honestly don't know why anyone would want to own a 360. Aside from the RROD nightmare, nearly every game available for it is also available on the PC. Why not just play the games on a PC? No RROD, and no paying for online play (usually).

Because not everyone has an up to date PC.  Myself included.  Many people just run laptops now.

There's also the increasing problem of invasive DRM in PC games, and other such "perks".  For instance, the upcoming Command & Conquer game requires you to always be connected online to progress through the singleplayer game (as well as the multiplayer), as I believe do Ubisoft PC titles now.  I also find that as PC gaming slowly dies a rather pathetic death that I prefer my console experiences...on consoles!  Of course, this is counterbalanced by my complete unwillingness to buy a 360 due to the RROD, so it's just PS3 and Wii for me.

Its annoying, but it also makes sense considering how much easier it is for people to pirate PC games than console games. Anyone can pirate a PC game with no hardware modifying whatsoever, so its just too easy to do that and that's why measures like that are necessary. Is it really that hard to be online these days?
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Post by: broodwars on March 16, 2010, 10:01:32 AM
Is it really that hard to be online these days?

Yes, considering how unstable internet connections can be.  I've lost track of the number of times I've been playing a PS3 game and my internet connection just craps out and I have to get up and reset the router.
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Post by: Dasmos on March 16, 2010, 10:01:59 AM
lol PC's are gay. Who the hell wants to sit in a computer chair while playing games? I want to sit in my awesome couch in front of my awesome 52" TV.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2010, 10:40:55 AM
lol PC's are gay. Who the hell wants to sit in a computer chair while playing games? I want to sit in my awesome couch in front of my awesome 52" TV.

Nowadays its fairly easy to hook a computer up to a TV and just play games or do whatever that way. All you need is a TV with a VGA input, and most new ones have that these days...

There are probably also computers that can output their display to HDMI too, so that's also an option.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 16, 2010, 11:22:16 AM
I just can't see the DS2 coming out this year with Pokemon Generation 5 coming to the DS around the same time. Just makes no sense.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2010, 12:02:29 PM
lol PC's are gay. Who the hell wants to sit in a computer chair while playing games? I want to sit in my awesome couch in front of my awesome 52" TV.

Nowadays its fairly easy to hook a computer up to a TV and just play games or do whatever that way. All you need is a TV with a VGA input, and most new ones have that these days...

There are probably also computers that can output their display to HDMI too, so that's also an option.
98% of people don't have their computer setup near the main living room TV(the big screen HDTV) to do a PC connection. Probably 80% of people don't even have a HDTV (27" and up) with a VGA connection on it in their bedrooms to hook a computer upto either.

I just can't see the DS2 coming out this year with Pokemon Generation 5 coming to the DS around the same time. Just makes no sense.
Wrap your brain around this.

a.) Forwards compatibility. DS games can be played on DS2, and games programmed with that in mind will have bonus features when played on DS2 (See GB -> GBC)

b.) They announced it as coming to DS because the DS2 wasn't announced yet and the DS2 is compatible with the original DS. Cart form factor will likely be the same, and the game may be backwards compatible with the original DS, yet some functions outside of the basic Pokemon gameplay will only work when using a DS2(not to mention the graphical boost).
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2010, 12:29:38 PM
I hope DSDS has Mario Tennis Wi-Fi.
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Post by: King of Twitch on March 16, 2010, 03:55:14 PM
A handheld with backwards compat. for DS and Wii games, an SD card slot, headphone jack, stylus holder, AC adapter/USB/video cables slot...?

Try again, wingnuts.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2010, 06:13:03 PM
who said anything about a handheld with backwards compatibility with Wii?

as for everything else you mentioned...
BC for DS - no brainer
SD card slot - doesn't the DSi have that now?
headphone jack - DS already has it
stylus holder - already there
AC adapter - see usb
USB - can be used for the AC adapter
A/V out - never heard of mini hdmi? just like mini usb only hdmi.
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Post by: King of Twitch on March 16, 2010, 06:30:41 PM
Controller ports?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2010, 06:57:51 PM
on a handheld? what are you talking about?

bluetooth peripherals maybe....?
Wifi connectivity and multiplayer....?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2010, 07:11:13 PM
Power Glove Active Lifestyle Portable Controller
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Post by: Stratos on March 16, 2010, 08:42:40 PM
Maybe it could let WiiMotes sync with it for controllers?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2010, 08:58:37 PM
Maybe I can download TVguide and switch my TV to the program I want to watch right from my DS2. or turn my lights on/off remotely through an internet connection and set my DVR at home and, and and and....
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Post by: Stratos on March 16, 2010, 09:17:05 PM
:P

It's an idea.

And I'd probably use the TV guide function because I hate waiting for the channel I want to see to scroll up. Plus the TV guide ads are annoying.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 17, 2010, 12:41:21 AM
Looks like Nintendo trademarked something by the name of Power Wii.
Anybody wanna speculate on what that might be?

Quote
Nintendo
商願2010-006971 Nintendo∞Wii∞POWER∞Wii
商願2010-006972 Nintendo∞Wii
商願2010-006973 POWER∞Wii
source (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20296382&postcount=288)
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 17, 2010, 12:51:00 AM
You know Nintendo has lied before about games coming out on certain systems, and even the existence of other systems.

They company said that Pokemon Generation 5 would come out the DS...well what if that is just to keep people from speculating on the DS2...and the new system is still coming with Pokemon being a launch game. 

It would not surprise me or upset me if this was in fact true.
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Post by: Peachylala on March 18, 2010, 12:55:29 PM
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You know Nintendo has lied before about games coming out on certain systems, and even the existence of other systems.
Kirby Wii is still a giant lie. Haven't they ****-canned that game by now?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2010, 01:25:49 PM
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You know Nintendo has lied before about games coming out on certain systems, and even the existence of other systems.
Kirby Wii is still a giant lie. Haven't they ****-canned that game by now?
Wait till SpaceWorld!!
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 18, 2010, 01:26:48 PM
I'll take Kirby GC-Wii over Icarus.
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Post by: EasyCure on March 20, 2010, 04:34:26 PM
Looks like Nintendo trademarked something by the name of Power Wii.
Anybody wanna speculate on what that might be?

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Nintendo
商願2010-006971 Nintendo∞Wii∞POWER∞Wii
商願2010-006972 Nintendo∞Wii
商願2010-006973 POWER∞Wii
source (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20296382&postcount=288)

Maybe that'll be the name of the bigger, Black Wii once released in the US?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 11:50:07 AM
DS2 Rumor Wrap-up

Devs have dev-kits
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg586027#msg586027 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg586027#msg586027)

Dev-kits in the hands of Pokemon Co.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg586237#msg586237 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg586237#msg586237)

Virtual Boy 2 is coming....
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg586358#msg586358 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg586358#msg586358)

DS2 to use pressure sensitive screens
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg586705#msg586705 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg586705#msg586705)

DS2 details from GDC
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg592567#msg592567 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg592567#msg592567)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 24, 2010, 11:50:48 AM
Shouldn't we start calling it 3DS?

I just realized that 3DS will 1-up the PSP2. 3 is higher than 2 and so it sounds newer. Remember that Microsoft made the 360 have that number because they didn't want to have an XBox 2 go against a PS3 and sound less new.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 11:54:18 AM
DS/DSL = 1
DSi/DSiXL = 2
3DS = 3
;)
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Post by: Stratos on March 24, 2010, 11:56:20 AM
Ah, good point.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 24, 2010, 01:13:25 PM
DS/DSL = 1
DSi/DSiXL = 2
3DS = 3
;)

DSi was a 1.5 at best.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 02:23:04 PM
DS/DSL = 1
DSi/DSiXL = 2
3DS = 3
;)

DSi was a 1.5 at best.
We know that, but that's besides the point.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 24, 2010, 06:33:59 PM
I'm going to start the rumor now that the DS 4 or 5 is going to plug directly into your cerebral cortex and the launch title will be Tetris. Imagine how good you could be like that.
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Post by: King of Twitch on March 24, 2010, 09:16:23 PM
A game system that requires a brain? Imagine the complaints on that one.

(laughter)
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Post by: Mop it up on March 24, 2010, 11:33:49 PM
Rumour: DSMicro will launch soon after the 3DS, as a cheap option for those who don't wish to acquire the new system.
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Post by: Stratos on March 25, 2010, 03:38:51 AM
Rumour: DSMicro will launch soon after the 3DS, as a cheap option for those who don't wish to acquire the new system.

Rumor: DSMicro will fail because no one buys it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 04:29:20 AM
Could this be what Nintendo is going for with the "3D motion stick" for the 3DS?
http://asiajin.com/blog/2008/07/19/cyber-maid-augmented-reality/ (http://asiajin.com/blog/2008/07/19/cyber-maid-augmented-reality/)

Imagine the character not being interacted with on the screen, but you seeing her projected out of the screen and you physically interacting with the image thanks to the camera also tracking the new and improved stylus with feed back that vibrates when you touch the 3D image.

Anyone think this is the next big reveal? Imagine the next Pokemon game or even better, the Next Nintendogs or Tetris 3D.

This could be absolutely HUGE!!!


edit:
Honestly, if Nintendo did that, Sony would have to cry because their whole ARG with Move would already be one step behind since you need the "3D Started Kit" that all the major Electronic stores are pushing like crazy right now just to do what you would already get in the 3DS for little more than a pair of 3D glasses.
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Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2010, 04:35:54 AM
naw that wouldn't work on a DS like device. you need at least two physical things for the camera to track...one: the thing your playing with, and two: your stylus.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 04:46:59 AM
1: The thing your playing with is being projected in 3D in from of your eyes.
2: the camera can track the stylus.

I don't see what so hard about that.
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Post by: Stratos on March 25, 2010, 04:52:32 AM
Forget that cyber stick nonsense, BnM,

Just use your fingers! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzRq7GhBLRQ#t=2m50s)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 05:02:36 AM
But it was mentioned that Nintendo had a "3D control Stick" and that doesn't necessarily mean a analog stick and could be a motion tracked stylus which would fit into some prediction in the DS2 thread.

mix that with 3D and ARG style game play, and the PS3 w/ Move has been matched(and bested) by a $200 handheld.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 25, 2010, 05:14:53 AM
If it could detect a finger I'm sure it could detect a stylus device too. I like using the stylus, but there are times it could be easier to just slide it above the screen instead of directly on top of it.

If this (all of these neat features) is the new DS, I can't even begin to think of what the next Wii will be.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2010, 05:38:35 AM
1: The thing your playing with is being projected in 3D in from of your eyes.
2: the camera can track the stylus.

I don't see what so hard about that.

I don't think you read the article correctly. No where does it say that's it's projected in front of your eyes. In fact, it explicitly says that the image is onscreen only. This isn't starwars lol
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Post by: Stratos on March 25, 2010, 05:54:33 AM
They actually have screens that can actually present the proper 'point of view' up to 64 different ways. So instead of a 3D screen where it only works for the person directly in front of the screen you can be in any number of positions and angles and still get the full effect. I saw a video for it. I'll try and find the one.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 25, 2010, 08:14:25 AM
All I can see is 3D dollar signs with all that tech you are going on about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 11:34:58 AM
1: The thing your playing with is being projected in 3D in from of your eyes.
2: the camera can track the stylus.

I don't see what so hard about that.

I don't think you read the article correctly. No where does it say that's it's projected in front of your eyes. In fact, it explicitly says that the image is onscreen only. This isn't starwars lol

NO. You use this on the 3DS and it will be projected in 3D out in front of your eyes. I think you need to get some sleep. I'm talking about using that tech on the 3DS not using on the computer.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2010, 02:03:52 PM
that still doesn't make any sense!

You still need something else to interact with in the physical world!

I get what your saying. Combine this with 3D and you have something that looks like its out in front of you and you can interact with it. I'm just saying that while creative, it'll never work how you envision it to work.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 25, 2010, 02:07:01 PM
Maybe I don't understand what's being suggested, but if the 3D image is just your brain being tricked into thinking that the image is coming out of the screen, then when you start waving the stylus in front of the screen, won't the illusion be gone?
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Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2010, 02:10:45 PM
yes, because you can't go behind the "projected" image. It's not a damn hologram.
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Post by: Stratos on March 25, 2010, 04:27:09 PM
You never know, it could be a hologram. ;)

Nintendo has invested heavily in holographic storage tech, so it's not that much of a stretch to envision that they also are invested in visual holo tech.
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Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2010, 04:32:51 PM
AHAHAHAHA

maybe so....

and maybe Nintendo will fly us to mars.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 05:07:55 PM
Maybe I don't understand what's being suggested, but if the 3D image is just your brain being tricked into thinking that the image is coming out of the screen, then when you start waving the stylus in front of the screen, won't the illusion be gone?

That is where the force feedback stylus patent comes into place*. Since the camera is tracking where the stylus is in 3 Dimensions, and the system knows where the 3D image is (above the lower screen yet in front of you) it can give you feed back when you touch the surface of the 3D image.

*I imagine the new stylus will have a little light on the tip for easy tracking, a small button that would fall under your pointer finger and some force feedback.

Now imagine a rubix cube like puzzle in front of you in 3D. You need to rotate the blocks to match the color and shape of the next block coming in. As you touch the 3D block the stylus vibrates to let you know you've touched the surface. You click the button on the stylus and it locks on to the block. Now you can twist and turn the block in 3 dimensions until you let go of the button.

Now picture a game of Nintendogs 3D. The puppy sits off the screen right in front of you and you can use your stylus to pet his 3D image. But you decide you want to play fetch with your puppy. so you grab the little 3D ball by touching it and pressing a the stylus button. Now when you flick the stylus, you release the button, which throws the ball.

The thing is, it might not look perfect, but it will definitely have that WOW factor with all gamers as the effect should be very easy to create with a 3D screen and a motion tracking camera that has a stylus that's meant to be tracked.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 25, 2010, 06:47:23 PM
3D stick? Holograms?
I can't imagine this system being very complicated. Nintendo has found success with DS and Wii by keeping things simple, so the next DS isn't going to have an intricate control scheme. They are also going to need to make a good presentation at E3 if they hope to sell people on the concept. One problem with the Virtual Boy is that people actually had to try it out in order to realize the 3D effects, screenshots just made it look like red Game Boy games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 06:51:44 PM
Just to be clear, I said nothing about "Holograms", I'm talking about a 3D image that appears to pop off of the screen and the Augmented Reality of using the motion camera and motion tracked stylus with the 3D screen.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 25, 2010, 06:57:32 PM
That sounds rather expensive to implement. It's difficult for me to imagine that Nintendo is going to create an expensive handheld; they like to make a profit on their hardware and they also want it to be affordable. I would think they wouldn't want to exceed the launch price of the DS which was $150, but then again, I never thought they'd exceed $100. I guess they might now bump it up to $200... but that's the same as Wii. Anything's possible, nothing Nintendo does surprises me anymore, but I find that hard to believe.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 07:17:20 PM
We already know the system has at least 1 3D screen <check>
We already know the system has at least 2 cameras <check>
we already know that cameras can track faces (Hidden 3D Image on DSi) <check>
We know that Nintendo already patented a Force Feedback Stylus <check>

If Nintendo uses this force Feed back stylus, it will need to be Bluetooth enabled to communicate and it will also need power, which means it needs a battery. If it has a battery already, then it wouldn't be too much to add a simple button and an LED light to the tip so that it can be tracked by the camera.

Are we all following my logic here now?

so now that we use what we know will be there(backwards compatible with DS/DSi and 3D w/ no glasses) and speculate based on what Nintendo has already patented(force feedback stylus), it's not hard to see where I was coming from with this.

The only variable is how much would a stylus like that cost. It will be considerably more than the $0.10 that the current one cost, but surely it wouldn't be more than maybe $7-$10 at the volume Nintendo would be producing them.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 25, 2010, 07:34:54 PM
"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi.  You're my only hope."

"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi.  You're my only hope."

"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi.  You're my only hope."

"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi.  You're my only hope."

"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi.  You're my only hope."

"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi.  You're my only hope."
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Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2010, 10:36:48 PM
LMAO
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 10:40:37 PM
Now imagine a rubix cube like puzzle in front of you in 3D. You need to rotate the blocks to match the color and shape of the next block coming in. As you touch the 3D block the stylus vibrates to let you know you've touched the surface. You click the button on the stylus and it locks on to the block. Now you can twist and turn the block in 3 dimensions until you let go of the button.

This is pretty much what I was imagining only playing with a 3D cube the appears off the screen: Picross 3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxqyODwPqt4)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 26, 2010, 12:22:00 AM
Well first of all, for that technology to work (the one that interacts outside of the system), you'll need a second object. Your saying that the bottom half of the system will be the second object. The only problem with that, is that you physically have to manipulate the object in the real world to manipulate it in the digital world. Next you wanted to have the stylus be tracked by the camera so that you could interact with the object. This is feasible but I see a cord being attached to the stylus. The popping out aspect, however, could never work in the holographic type of way you are talking about. As soon as you block your perspective with the stylus, either one or both eyes are not getting information to create the illusion of depth for your brain, and thus the illusion would cease to exist.

It's a great idea, but the combination of technologies that you have in your head (1+1 = 3), just isn't sophisticated enough right now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 12:37:14 AM
Well first of all, for that technology to work (the one that interacts outside of the system), you'll need a second object. Your saying that the bottom half of the system will be the second object. The only problem with that, is that you physically have to manipulate the object in the real world to manipulate it in the digital world.
Not following you here.  I think it would work, but I'm not an expert on the tech.
I'm not sure what you are talking about manipulating in the physical world.
You don't actually need a marked die to be your point of reference for you AR object. Besides you could always just use the bottom screen as a reference point.

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Next you wanted to have the stylus be tracked by the camera so that you could interact with the object. This is feasible but I see a cord being attached to the stylus.

There are styluses that are a little smaller than the one for the DSiXL that that work on the same level I've described. Battery works fine and this one could be recharged just by putting it back in it's slot.

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The popping out aspect, however, could never work in the holographic type of way you are talking about. As soon as you block your perspective with the stylus, either one or both eyes are not getting information to create the illusion of depth for your brain, and thus the illusion would cease to exist.

It's a great idea, but the combination of technologies that you have in your head (1+1 = 3), just isn't sophisticated enough right now.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. It's not like your entire view will be blocked by the stylus, so I don't see how the entire effect will be null and void. But we obviously stand on 2 different sides of the line of what is possible, so we'll find out which side is right during E3.
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Post by: Stogi on March 26, 2010, 12:51:42 AM
I guess we will.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 11:48:59 AM
More speculation:

An actual usable pressure sensitive screen in the 3DS?

Pressure Sensitive Touchscreens Are Coming, Powered by Quantum Mechanics (http://www.pcworld.com/article/188076/pressure_sensitive_touchscreens_are_coming_powered_by_quantum_mechanics.html)
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Nowadays we're all about touching our mobile devices and computer hardware, but despite the ubiquity of touchscreens on the market, almost none are sensitive to varying degrees of pressure. A company in the U.K. by the name of Peratech is looking to fill in that gap by harnessing the power of quantum mechanics.

Technology Review reports that Peratech has signed a deal with screen manufacturer Nissha (whose partners include LG and Nintendo) to license its unique pressure sensitive technology. Peratech's screens use an "electrically conductive material dubbed a quantum tunneling composite" to provide more efficient and more sensitive touchscreens than any other similar technology currently available.

It seems a little too new to be cost effective, and I don't really see any uses for it outside of drawing and typing, but if Nintendo were willing to include it, I'm sure there will be some interesting uses for it and all, but wait....

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Nissha signs $1.4 million licensing agreement for Peratech’s  ultra-thin, low power QTC technology switches to create next generation of touch screens with 3D input for mobile devices (http://www.peratech.com/pr_nissha.php)
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[...]
The licensing agreement gives Nissha exclusive worldwide rights to use the technology for screens smaller than 3.5 by 5.5 inches for an initial period of 1 year.

Philip Taysom, joint CEO of Peratech, said, “This is Peratech’s first million dollar licensing agreement and is a huge testament to the power and potential of QTC technology by one of the world’s leading manufacturers of touch screens for mobile phones and gaming consoles. QTC is also ideal for creating solutions for larger touch screens and we are actively investigating this market.”
[...]
Chris Lussey, joint CEO of Peratech, commented, “QTC changes the game when it comes to human machine interface design with capabilities to build truly 3D user interfaces in small, low power devices. This three dimensionality cannot be matched with existing resistive and capacitive technologies. Using products with an embedded QTC switch consumers could use this third dimension to search deeper into a file structure simply by pressing harder, control an avatar’s movement through a game more naturally or create the thin or thick lines which are vital for Far East characters.”

QTC technology has no moving parts and requires no air gap between contacts. This makes it extremely reliable and suitable for integration into the thinnest electronic designs and with industry leading operational life. With QTC, touch screens can be made feature rich and ultra-thin allowing for the development of even slimmer, lighter weight and lower-power portable devices.
Takao Hashimoto, Director, CTO of Nissha and General Manager of Technology Research & Development, added, “QTC will be a disruptive technology for mobile phones enabling thinner phones to be designed with amazing new input interfaces.”

Wasn't Nintendo's next step after disrupting the market with the DS and the Wii to disrupt it's own market with the follow up to those systems and keep the competition always a few steps behind wading in the wrong pools?

Wasn't Nintendo's next step after disrupting the market with the DS and the Wii to disrupt it's own market with the follow up to those systems and keep the competition always a few steps behind wading in the wrong pools?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 01:27:10 PM
Next you wanted to have the stylus be tracked by the camera so that you could interact with the object. This is feasible but I see a cord being attached to the stylus.

There are styluses that are a little smaller than the one for the DSiXL that that work on the same level I've described. Battery works fine and this one could be recharged just by putting it back in it's slot.

I found one of the stylus/pens I was talking about.
This one has no battery, is wireless, has buttons and is tracked by the system itself.

I don't expect Nintendo to do it exactly like this, but something similar would equate to nothing short of magic for the unaware consumer.
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The Wacom stylus
looks and feels like a pen yet contains no batteries or magnets. Instead it takes advantage of patented resonance technology developed by Wacom Co. Ltd. in which a tiny signal is sent to the stylus and returned for position analysis. In operation, a grid of wires below the screen alternates between transmit and receive modes about every 20 microseconds.

In the transmit mode (1), the tablet's signal stimulates oscillation in the coil-and-capacitor resonant circuit in the pen. In receive mode (2), the energy of the resonant circuit oscillations in the pen is detected by the
tablet's antenna grid. This is then analyzed to determine position and other information including pressure.

Since the grid provides the power to the pen through resonant coupling, no batteries are required. Thus there are no consumables inside the pen that will run down and need to be replaced or that would make the pen top-heavy. A simple analogy for this patented technology is that of a piano tuner using a tuning fork to tune a piano. As the tuning fork is brought into proximity of the appropriate vibrating piano string (if the fork is of the same frequency) it will begin to borrow energy from the vibrating string and resonate, generating a tone. In much the same way, as the Wacom pen comes close to the tablet surface, it begins to resonate, generating its own frequency back to the tablet. When it hears the pen, it tracks the pen'slocation with unprecedented accuracy. The tablet then sends location,pressure and tilt information to the computer along with asignal indicating whether the pen point or the eraser tip is being used.

http://www.wacom-components.com/products/penabled/standardPens/ (http://www.wacom-components.com/products/penabled/standardPens/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 26, 2010, 04:27:21 PM
I love the speculation.  No matter how far fetched or even how likely it is, nobody knows if it will or won't be part of the system until Nintendo tells us it is or isn't or until someone actually takes the thing apart and does a thorough inspection.  Before then, everyone could be a genius or an idiot.  I love it!
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 26, 2010, 06:01:08 PM
Nintendo loves to disappoint!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
I know 1 or 2 of you think I sound crazy with my speculations for what might be possible on the 3DS, but you have to admit that not only would something like this be cool, but it should easily be possible and even better in 3D.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lrbq8t6-po (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lrbq8t6-po)

just picture it. imagine it was a Picross 3D game instead, imagine it you could interact with the 3D object in 3D space without actually touching the screen. It all just seems so possible to me with the tech that is being included in the 3DS.

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Post by: Stratos on March 27, 2010, 05:13:33 AM
Join my HYPE TRAIN today!!
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Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 27, 2010, 01:22:08 PM
The best part about new Nintendo systems is the speculation beforehand. It's interesting to see what kinds of ideas people come up with, and if they're anything close to what is later revealed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2010, 01:24:42 PM
So are you getting on my HYPE TRAIN or what?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 27, 2010, 01:28:25 PM
Depends. Does this make me not eligible?

No ugly girls allows ;-).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2010, 01:35:29 PM
Depends. :looks at your tag: Are you ugly?


Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 27, 2010, 01:40:11 PM
Depends.




<-- Do you think she's ugly?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2010, 01:44:45 PM
We have room for "different", there are plenty of seats available.

A seat on the HYPE TRAIN comes with a weekly newsletter full of all sorts of off the wall theories/speculations/rumors, pics of fan made mock ups, and "insider knowledge" from people that have a friend that knows someone that works somewhere important.
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Post by: EasyCure on March 27, 2010, 04:37:41 PM
I'm on this train only if you can promise me we'll arrive at the Nut Buster station on time!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2010, 04:57:02 PM
Not only will the train be pulling into the station on schedule, but climax will be reached by everyone at the same time too.
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Post by: EasyCure on March 27, 2010, 05:04:05 PM
Does the Hype Train SEXPRESS provide complimentary towels?
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Post by: Spinnzilla on March 27, 2010, 05:21:34 PM
No, you just use the persons hair in front of you. I CALL BACK SEAT!
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Post by: EasyCure on March 27, 2010, 05:24:16 PM
No, you just use the persons hair in front of you. I CALL BACK SEAT!

ew..
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2010, 06:02:05 PM
complimentary bowels
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2010, 02:48:01 AM
SPECULATION TIME!!!

Nintendo to flex it's 3DS muscle?
Artificial Muscle ramps up production -- expect touchscreens that push back in 2011 (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/artificial-muscle-ramps-up-production-expect-touchscreens-tha/)
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Last  we heard (http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/24/artificial-muscle-makes-touchy-devices-burlier/) from Artificial Muscle, the company was trying to convince  hospitals, cell phone manufacturers and more that its technology -- a  silicon film that expands and contracts with an applied voltage -- would  provide a real sense of touch to their cold, hard touchscreens. On at  least three counts, it has succeeded. The San Jose Mercury News  reports that two cell phone manufacturers are planning Artificial  Muscle-based products in 2011, and that an "electronics entertainment  product" will be released this Christmas. The company also plans to  produce 1 million of the electronic actuators per month to anticipate  further demand. While the Mercury News notes that Artificial  Muscle's product isn't the holy grail of haptic feedback (http://www.engadget.com/tag/haptic+feedback/)  -- the entire screen stiffens when pressed, not just the spot you touch  -- its adoption means the company may have set events in motion to  ultimately reach that goal.

I smell an E3 reveal. Could this be the next secret of the 3DS that Nintendo is trying to keep under wraps for the next 2 months? Could we be getting real touch and 3D? I can only think of a few "electronics entertainment product" that would need 1 million of these things a month, considering that the other products that plan to use it (2 cell phones) won't be releasing till sometime next year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 30, 2010, 03:25:56 AM
Unless Nintendo plans on taking a loss with each system (never going to happen), the most you should hope for is that it plays Nintendo games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2010, 03:35:49 AM
well assuming that Nintendo is gonna use these things;
1. we have no idea how much they cost to produce
2. we have no idea what kind of deal Nintendo worked out with this company. I would have to assume that Nintendo has a massive amount of influence at the negotiation table with the massive success of Wii and DS and got these things for barely above cost since the exposure alone would push the tech into other markets.
3. We don't know how much the 3DS will retail for. I'm assuming $189.99/$199.99

So for me being SPECULATION!!!! Phase, I'm not ready to rule anything out yet unless I think it's absolutely impossible.
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Post by: Stratos on March 30, 2010, 04:59:52 AM
That could be pretty interesting.

Could this possibly produce Braille? Imagine Nintendo actually opening up gaming to the blind.
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Post by: SixthAngel on March 30, 2010, 07:48:08 AM
Can we move the 3ds speculation to the ds/handhelds board?

I really like the ds and it disappoints me that their isn't that much discussion there. 

We finally have big news that will bring people to that section and most of the discussion is happening on the Wii board.  This belongs there and it will bring more attention to ds games. (might and magic clash of heroes!!!!!!)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2010, 01:00:05 PM
you can always quote some speculation/rumor from here and put it in the 3DS thread. I'll go ahead snd do this one for you ;) ! don't worry, it's on the house.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 02, 2010, 06:51:53 PM
I'm on the boat...er...train!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2010, 04:11:23 PM
Is it too soon for 3rd Parties to jump on the Wii2 bandwagon? I guess a few people may have decided to not repeat the mistakes of the past.

http://uk.linkedin.com/in/darrenabbott3d (http://uk.linkedin.com/in/darrenabbott3d)
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Darren Abbott
Senior/Group Lead at Midway Games
Durham, United Kingdom

Darren Abbott’s Summary
*undisclosed 1* [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3 Wii2)
*undisclosed 2* [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)
This is Vegas [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)
Wheelman [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)

I bet we won't find out till E3 2011 though ;)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 04, 2010, 04:43:18 PM
Typo I would guess.
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Post by: Stratos on April 04, 2010, 04:47:35 PM
Hype Train! All aboard! Next stop Wii2 discussion!

CHOO-CHOO!!!

(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww295/SuperStratos/HypeTrain.jpg)
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Post by: Peachylala on April 04, 2010, 11:41:06 PM
Will said hype train be busting some nuts along the way?

Answer: Maybe/No/THE FANS WILL STILL BITCH ABOUT IT.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2010, 12:52:41 AM
Lets just say that a lot of the stuff along the way may be hard to swallow ;)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 05, 2010, 01:15:39 AM
Is it too soon for 3rd Parties to jump on the Wii2 bandwagon? I guess a few people may have decided to not repeat the mistakes of the past.

http://uk.linkedin.com/in/darrenabbott3d (http://uk.linkedin.com/in/darrenabbott3d)
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Darren Abbott
Senior/Group Lead at Midway Games
Durham, United Kingdom

Darren Abbott’s Summary
*undisclosed 1* [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3 Wii2)
*undisclosed 2* [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)
This is Vegas [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)
Wheelman [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)

I bet we won't find out till E3 2011 though ;)

Geez, only one of those undisclosed games is actually coming to the Wii2. Looks like Nintendo is getting the 3rd party shaft yet again! Just wait and see if that title doesn't turn out to be "Raving Rabbids: Dance Squad" or some non-game crap like that...
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Post by: UncleBob on April 05, 2010, 01:37:50 AM
Is it too soon for 3rd Parties to jump on the Wii2 bandwagon? I guess a few people may have decided to not repeat the mistakes of the past.

http://uk.linkedin.com/in/darrenabbott3d (http://uk.linkedin.com/in/darrenabbott3d)
Quote
Darren Abbott
Senior/Group Lead at Midway Games
Durham, United Kingdom

Darren Abbott’s Summary
*undisclosed 1* [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3 Wii2)
*undisclosed 2* [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)
This is Vegas [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)
Wheelman [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)

I bet we won't find out till E3 2011 though ;)

Geez, only one of those undisclosed games is actually coming to the Wii2. Looks like Nintendo is getting the 3rd party shaft yet again! Just wait and see if that title doesn't turn out to be "Raving Rabbids: Dance Squad" or some non-game crap like that...

Naw, it's probably some licensed movie schlock.  The non-game crap is usually Wii exclusive.  Can't tarnish the 360/PS3 with such rubble. ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 05, 2010, 02:08:29 AM
Lets just say that a lot of the stuff along the way may be hard to swallow ;)

I told you "Nutbuster" would catch on ;D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 05, 2010, 03:54:45 AM
Is it too soon for 3rd Parties to jump on the Wii2 bandwagon? I guess a few people may have decided to not repeat the mistakes of the past.

http://uk.linkedin.com/in/darrenabbott3d (http://uk.linkedin.com/in/darrenabbott3d)
Quote
Darren Abbott
Senior/Group Lead at Midway Games
Durham, United Kingdom

Darren Abbott’s Summary
*undisclosed 1* [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3 Wii2)
*undisclosed 2* [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)
This is Vegas [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)
Wheelman [Senior/Group Lead Artist] (Xbox, PS3)

I bet we won't find out till E3 2011 though ;)

Geez, only one of those undisclosed games is actually coming to the Wii2. Looks like Nintendo is getting the 3rd party shaft yet again! Just wait and see if that title doesn't turn out to be "Raving Rabbids: Dance Squad" or some non-game crap like that...

It is possible that the other games are going to be released long before the Wii2 is even announced.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 17, 2010, 03:07:48 PM
Old Rumor with New Life. This is from the guy who supposedly leaked details of RE:DSC months before Capcom made them official.

Apparently there is a new RE in the works and it mixes RE4 style 3rd person gameplay and some On-Rails sections. It was supposedly shown at Capcom's Captivate 2010 this week and is expected to be officially announced next week with full reveal at E3 and release at the end of this year, if you go by the old rumor (http://www.vandal.net/foro/mensaje/549696/rumor-futuro-resident-evil-en-3-persona/) (which you can find translated here (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vandal.net%2Fforo%2Fmensaje%2F549696%2Frumor-futuro-resident-evil-en-3-persona%2F&sl=es&tl=en)) and the new comments in that same thread.

This could be Capcom trying to justify their On-Rails RE ventures on the Wii but mixing that with just enough of what we wanted to get us to buy it, yet not actually giving us what we asked for.

Or it could be that a few sections of the game really don't require movement and are played as on-rails, like riding in the back of a moving car or rolling along in a mine cart. It could be the new interactive cut scenes.

Another idea is that it could be like RE:Dead Aim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnS1j2L3Bxo), where you walked around in Classic RE style and went into Gallery mode when it was time to shoot. So if they mixed that with RE4 gameplay and just used the gallery mode like a looking through the site of the gun sniper type mode, then that could also work.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 17, 2010, 09:06:11 PM
It could work, but it's kind of hard to justify when Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition worked so well. No one asked for an on-rails RE, yet the Wii got TWO of them. That's like going to a restaurant and ordering a filet mignon and the waiter says, "No, you don't want that. You want to have this instead."
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 18, 2010, 04:48:01 AM
some On-Rails sections

Oh, God. Please, NO!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Peachylala on April 18, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
Capcom, your developers need to learn to troll the Wii audience bet- oh wait we won't buy your game anyway. Sucks to be you.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2010, 05:09:23 AM
Capcom, the new Ubi?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 19, 2010, 05:57:12 AM
I would seriously consider getting a Wii RE game, just so long as it isn't on-rails. Being on-rails is an immediate deal breaker for me.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 19, 2010, 11:55:45 AM
If it has any resemblance to RE4, then I think I'm sold.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2010, 12:16:37 PM
50K, first month NPD.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 19, 2010, 12:21:23 PM
50K, first month NPD.
But that's only for 22 days on sale.  Wait until the next month's sales.  Then you'll be surprised.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2010, 12:51:17 PM
at how much less it will sell?  WAOW.
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Post by: Peachylala on April 19, 2010, 07:08:43 PM
If it has any resemblance to RE4, then I think I'm sold.
Make RE5 less frustrating and I'm sold (and add Wii controls too).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 19, 2010, 07:38:27 PM
Make RE5 less frustrating and I'm sold (and add Wii controls too).

Isn't it oxymoronic to make something less frustrating AND add Wii controls? :P
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 21, 2010, 01:53:49 PM
at how much less it will sell?  WAOW.
$9.96
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2010, 11:08:08 PM
I don't know if it's official or not, But it looks like Metroid Other M may have been delayed for 2 months till 8/15/10 and S&P has filled M:OM spot on 6/27.

Best (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/WII-METROID+OTHER+M+-+Nintendo+Wii/9903855.p;jsessionid=454C773F3BB253855D433E331828E3B2.bbolsp-app04-19?id=1218192429888&skuId=9903855) Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=2450912178154382231&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=Sin+%26+Punushment+2&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960) says it's so, but Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=metroid%3A+other+m&x=0&y=0) doesn't agree.

But assuming it did happen, anyone think it's to put wiichuck control into the game?
What could be the reason for a 1.5 month delay just short of 2 months from release?
Would it just be more time for polish or bug fixing?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 21, 2010, 11:15:01 PM
Gamestop (http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75084) still says June 27, Walmart says September 1, Target says June 27, FYE says September 1.

Who knows? Officially it is June 27 still.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 21, 2010, 11:21:22 PM
I don't know if it's official or not, But it looks like Metroid Other M may have been delayed for 2 months till 8/15/10 and S&P has filled M:OM spot on 6/27.

Best (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/WII-METROID+OTHER+M+-+Nintendo+Wii/9903855.p;jsessionid=454C773F3BB253855D433E331828E3B2.bbolsp-app04-19?id=1218192429888&skuId=9903855) Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=2450912178154382231&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=Sin+%26+Punushment+2&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960) says it's so, but Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=metroid%3A+other+m&x=0&y=0) doesn't agree.

But assuming it did happen, anyone think it's to put wiichuck control into the game?
What could be the reason for a 1.5 month delay just short of 2 months from release?
Would it just be more time for polish or bug fixing?

If they actually swallowed their pride and delayed the game to fix the controls, they probably just won my purchase because it makes no sense to not even have the option of using the nunchuck.  It's not like most of the Nintendo faithful won't have Mario and S&P to play, and everyone else will still be working through all the games released on all 3 consoles the first 3-4 months of this year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 21, 2010, 11:38:22 PM
I think it was just a mix-up on Best Buy's part.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2010, 12:06:55 AM
Better tell that to Walmart (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Metroid-Other-M-Wii-Wii/13246825) too.
Quote from: Walmart.com
Preorder Now

Preorder this item today and it should ship on 09/01/2010
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 22, 2010, 12:47:47 AM
As awesome as it'd be to have all those games so close to each other, it doesn't make much sense. There would be a very lengthy span of time between major releases with Zelda probably coming out in November. I wouldn't really mind a delay, personally. There was no way I'd beat Galaxy 2 in a month especially with Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker coming out like 3 days later.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 22, 2010, 02:25:23 AM
I don't know if it's official or not, But it looks like Metroid Other M may have been delayed for 2 months till 8/15/10 and S&P has filled M:OM spot on 6/27.

Best (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/WII-METROID+OTHER+M+-+Nintendo+Wii/9903855.p;jsessionid=454C773F3BB253855D433E331828E3B2.bbolsp-app04-19?id=1218192429888&skuId=9903855) Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=2450912178154382231&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=Sin+%26+Punushment+2&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960) says it's so, but Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=metroid%3A+other+m&x=0&y=0) doesn't agree.

But assuming it did happen, anyone think it's to put wiichuck control into the game?
What could be the reason for a 1.5 month delay just short of 2 months from release?
Would it just be more time for polish or bug fixing?

No idea, but if Nintendo thinks the game needs more time for spit and polish then I'm all for it. Nintendo is seldom known for pushing out pieces of crap so I trust their judgment and if they delay a game I know its for a good reason.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 22, 2010, 05:12:19 AM
It could have just been the discovery of a hidden game ruining glitch. Some times those late in the dev cycle could thrown months onto a release date time table.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 22, 2010, 12:23:23 PM
Nintendo decided to add the Super Guide to Merftroid.  Shows you how to properly "hold Right" and "tap A" to automatically auto-aim.
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Post by: broodwars on April 22, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
Nintendo decided to add the Super Guide to Merftroid.  Shows you how to properly "hold Right" and "tap A" to automatically auto-aim.

Is it sad that I could actually see them doing that (that, and probably going through every line of text bolding every important word of dialogue)?  :-\
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2010, 02:16:53 PM
Apple to buy chip maker ARM!? (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/21/apple_arm_acquisition_rumor/)
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London's financial district is "aflame" with rumors of a possible takeover of ARM by a company that only yesterday announced that it was sitting on a cash reserve of $41.7bn: Apple.

With that amount of liquidity sloshing around, such a takeover would be by no means unrealistic for Jobs & Co.

According to Wednesday's Evening Standard, The City's "gossips" are floating a rumor of Apple's interest in the UK chip designer.

And apparently many financial types feel there may be truth behind that gossip: the Standard reports that more than five million ARM shares changed hands on Wednesday, boosting the stock price by over 3 per cent and making it FTSE's biggest winner in the day's trading.

"A deal would make a lot of sense for Apple," one trader told the Standard. "That way, they could stop ARM's technology from ending up in everyone else's computers and gadgets."

Which would, shall we say, send shockwaves throughout the "computers and gadgets" industry.

Apple was recently reported to have bagged all or part of chip-designer Intrinsity, (one of) the alleged brains behind the A4 chip powering the iPad. Also, Cupertino acquired chipmaker PA Semi back in 2008, although word on the street is that many of the engineers that came along with that deal have moved on to their own start-up, Agnilux - which was just acquired by Google.

But those acquisitions would be small potatoes compared to an Apple acquisition of ARM. Although the Cambridge-based chipmaker's stock closed today at 251.1p, the Standard's sources are of the opinion that a takeover offer would be in the 500p per share range - which would place ARM's value at more than £5.2bn ($8bn).

That figure would amount to nearly 20 per cent of Apple's war chest - but the competitive advantage of acquiring ARM might very well make such an expenditure a long-term bargain.

After all, Apple is essentially minting money right now. Why not spend a good chunk of it to both enhance your chipmaking expertise and kneecap your competitors?

For those of you wondering why I would put this in a Nintendo Rumor thread, Every Nintendo handheld, that I've known the innards of, has had an ARM chip inside. Millions of products, including tons of stuff probably in your house, possibly have ARM chips in them. Tegra/2 (one of the rumored possibilities for 3DS) is an ARM chip. Gamecube and therefore Wii have an ARM chip inside.

Assuming Apple was really considering this, would this sale even be legal?
seems sort of monopolistic.

What would Nintendo do having to buy chips from someone that just yesterday was their biggest and still growing threat in the handheld gaming sector.

What would that mean for the 3DS or any gaming system that came after it?

What other competitors are there to ARM in the SoC and general purpose computing chip sector?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 22, 2010, 02:34:17 PM
Texas Instruments, Cirrus Logic, VIA, etc
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2010, 02:45:17 PM
Texas Instruments & Cirrus Logic licenses chip designs from ARM.... I'm not so sure on VIA since Wiki doesn't have a complete list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 22, 2010, 03:00:56 PM
ARM chips are in everything.  Buying ARM in order to cut everyone else out would be completely insane.  It would be like buying the goose that lays golden eggs to serve for Christmas dinner.  Buying ARM without changing their business so that all that money flows into your own coffers while you lower costs for your own devices might make more sense.  It's hard to say whether that would be an antitrust issue, but I think it would ultimately simply make room for a startup chip maker to flourish since everyone competing with Apple or otherwise bristling at their price gouging would scramble for alternatives.  I guess that would be roughly the same as the first thing I said, but over a longer and less panicky term.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 22, 2010, 03:34:38 PM
Nabisco and Frito Lay also make chips.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 22, 2010, 04:05:55 PM
So do cows.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2010, 05:08:42 PM
Nabisco and Frito Lay also make chips.
So do cows.

But can they put systems on those chips?
DO they license out the recipe for those chips so that others can make them too?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 22, 2010, 05:48:57 PM
I read that rumor yesterday. Not going to happen. I think people are just on an Apple high from the recent iPad and Macbook Pro releases. Right now, Apple is doing a lot right so the crazy rumors are going to fly.

Additionally, like most of us know, acquisitions are always tricky. You run the risk of key employee departures. For example, Google just bought out AgniLux which coincidentally was started by former employees of P.A. Semi, a company Apple acquired in 2008. Which is the real P.A. Semi? If any company buys ARM, the world will move on.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 22, 2010, 11:54:53 PM
That's the whole idea behind Nintendo not wanting to buy up companies; buying the company is meaningless if all the employees would just leave and go somewhere else.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 23, 2010, 01:44:38 AM
After Apple buys ARMI Nintendo should buy Apple and then own their own chipmaker, plus neutralize the competition in one swoop.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 23, 2010, 02:01:14 AM
Nintendo isn't any more capable of buying Apple than Apple is capable of buying Nintendo. Both companies are too proud to ever let that happen. As someone who is a big fan of both companies, let me tell you that that is one of many similarities between the two of them
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on April 23, 2010, 06:27:33 AM
Also, Apple is on pace to become the biggest tech company in the United States and have $41 billion in cash. Nintendo has about as much of a chance of buying Apple as I do.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 23, 2010, 06:48:35 AM
Even bigger than Microsoft?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2010, 09:36:06 AM
Apple is right behind MS (who is #2) in the Forbes 500.

Apple with a $251bln Market Cap and MS with ~$275bln.

Exxon is #1, Google is #4
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2010, 02:12:53 AM
Activision working on a new Goldeneye? (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178985)

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Newly registered domain names sometimes mean nothing more than a company   wanting to protect their intellectual properties online, but they can   also sometimes hint at new plans for intellectual properties in the   future. And this one's definitely intriguing enough to take note of:   Superannuation reports (http://supererogatory.tumblr.com/post/543750124/created-on-2010-04-21) that Activision has registered   "goldeneyegame.com," suggesting what may be a new James Bond title. 

[...]Activision also already   announced (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175472) last year that a new James Bond title is in development,   rumored to be developed by Bizarre Creations -- and also rumored to be   titled "Bloodstone" after a leaked U.K. retailer listing (http://www.vg247.com/2010/04/21/hmv-outs-possible-bond-game-james-bond-bloodstone/) earlier this week.   All of which just adds more questions to the mix: Are there now two   Bond games in the works at Activision? Or (again) is the domain   goldeneyegame.com actually just a placeholder with no real game to go   with it? We'll have to wait and see until Activision decides to clarify   the matter.
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Post by: Peachylala on April 25, 2010, 12:57:42 PM
Anybody remember the fate of the other GoldenEye game they tried to jam down our throats?

I'm having a small feeling of deja vu right now.
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Post by: Stratos on April 25, 2010, 02:26:40 PM
Goldeneye Rouge Agent? I thought it flopped.

I remember some people having high hopes for the DS version and turned out pretty bad.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 25, 2010, 03:00:36 PM
Was Goldeneye the most popular Bond movie or are they simply trying to capitalize on people's nostalgia for the Goldeneye Nintendo 64 game?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 25, 2010, 03:24:32 PM
I have no doubt that it's the latter. The movie has a 80% fresh rating at Rotten Tomatoes and made $352 million worldwide, Activision knows that GoldenEye 007 is still one of the most popular FPS's and was the game that basically showed that the genre could be done well on consoles.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2010, 08:01:38 PM
I've seen GoldenEye show up pretty high on rankings of the movies by Bond fans, but the only reason Activision would care about it is nostalgia for the game.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 25, 2010, 09:06:30 PM
I think its just viral marketing.  Apparently people still check for Goldeneye websites and who registers them.  Why not simply register the game to build hype for a game that may or may not even be James Bond Related,
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Post by: Peachylala on April 26, 2010, 12:14:18 AM
I have no doubt that it's the latter. The movie has a 80% fresh rating at Rotten Tomatoes and made $352 million worldwide, Activision knows that GoldenEye 007 is still one of the most popular FPS's and was the game that basically showed that the genre could be done well on consoles.
Goldeneye as a movie was horrid. The game, however, which came out TWO YEARS LATER grossed more then the movie.

By how much, that I do not know.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2010, 12:21:22 AM
Well it was also $50 per game vs $6-8 per movie ticket.

So even if only 1/6 of the people that saw the movie bought the game, the game would still out gross the movie.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 26, 2010, 07:19:37 PM
I liked the Goldeneye movie.  I consider that the best Pierce Brosnan James Bond film by far.  The game is better though.

Goldeneye has got to be one of the most unexpected videogame successes of all time.  The whole point of making a licenced game is that it comes out around the same time as the movie to capitalize on the film's success.  But the film came out in 1995 before the N64 was even released so even if Rare had it ready as a launch title it was going to be a year late no matter what.  And Goldeneye wasn't a big enough movie that two years later people would still be going nuts for it.

I never paid any attention to the game while it was in development.  It was a console FPS, which at the time always sucked and it was a licenced game.  And the two years late thing was like some sort of Duke Nukem Forever-esque joke.  It just begged to be ignored.  When it became a big hit I was like "really?  That vapourware Bond game is awesome?!"  But then I tried it and, holy ****, it was! :)

The reason the game was so successful though was that it was so great.  Not just "really good" but legitimately groundbreaking.  It succeeded DESPITE the fact that it was licenced game that came out two years too late.  EA didn't get that and Activision probably doesn't either.  They see the name and think James Bond and specifically the Goldeneye film as the catalyst for the game's success.

Though perhaps giving a talented dev a licenced property and giving them the time and freedom to make a great game, instead of just churning out some licenced junk to fool rubes and mothers for a week before everyone hears the game sucks, is the key to major success with a licenced game.  That attracts legitimate success, not just temporary con-man success like most licenced junk.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 26, 2010, 11:03:24 PM
Well new rumor.
Gamestop is alegedly going to be accepting preorders for a Black and White Wii bundle with Wii Sports Resort as the pack in game on May 2nd.The bundle is suppose to come out May 9th. The bundle,if true, will cost $199.99.
Is May 9th the day that the Black Wii comes to America? We shall see what comes of this.
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Post by: Adrock on April 26, 2010, 11:07:47 PM
I wish I could justify buying a new Wii because I always thought the black console looked sleeker.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 27, 2010, 02:20:02 AM
I liked the Goldeneye movie.  I consider that the best Pierce Brosnan James Bond film by far.  The game is better though.

Goldeneye has got to be one of the most unexpected videogame successes of all time.  The whole point of making a licenced game is that it comes out around the same time as the movie to capitalize on the film's success.  But the film came out in 1995 before the N64 was even released so even if Rare had it ready as a launch title it was going to be a year late no matter what.  And Goldeneye wasn't a big enough movie that two years later people would still be going nuts for it.

Normally what you're saying is true, but the thing is the James Bond franchise is immensely popular regardless of each individual movie in it. Someone could make a James Bond game that isn't based on any movie at all and odds are it would still do well just because of the James Bond name being attached to it.

Look at the Batman Arkham Asylum game that came out recently. Was there ever an Arkham Asylum movie? Not that I'm aware of, but the game still did well anyway because it was Batman. Another example would be Star Wars Shadows of the Empire which was another N64 game that fills in the events between empire strikes back and return of the Jedi. That wasn't a movie that was ever made, but it was Star Wars and that's really all it takes.

I'm not saying the game wasn't great or that being great didn't contribute to its success, though. I'm just saying that even if Goldeneye was a year or two old the James Bond name was still a big factor regardless.
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Post by: Stratos on April 27, 2010, 04:28:54 AM
Goldeneye was what got me interested in the Bond movies to begin with.
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Post by: ThePerm on April 27, 2010, 04:35:36 AM
Kinda Ironic the same director who directed new Bond Daniel Craig for Casino Royale is the same director who directed new Bond Pierce Brosnan for Goldeneye. Goldeneye has aged horribly, but its kinda aged in a charming way. The worse James Bond with Pierce Brosnan I saw was Die another Day, the villain looked too much like a friend of mine for me to take it seriously.
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Post by: Stratos on April 27, 2010, 04:50:56 AM
You took Bond movies seriously? Half of the fun for me is not taking them seriously since a lot of them are quite out there in plot and execution.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 27, 2010, 03:06:58 PM
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The worse James Bond with Pierce Brosnan I saw was Die another Day, the villain looked too much like a friend of mine for me to take it seriously.

I find it funny that THAT is the reason you couldn't take Die Another Day seriously, instead of, say, the INVISIBLE CAR! Who comes up with an idea like that and doesn't get laughed at?  :Q
 
Though I wonder if I was in a situation where I was making a movie with a big production company and everything if I would have the confidence to tell some exec that his idea is stupid.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on April 27, 2010, 03:34:50 PM
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The worse James Bond with Pierce Brosnan I saw was Die another Day, the villain looked too much like a friend of mine for me to take it seriously.

I find it funny that THAT is the reason you couldn't take Die Another Day seriously, instead of, say, the INVISIBLE CAR! Who comes up with an idea like that and doesn't get laughed at?  :Q
 
Though I wonder if I was in a situation where I was making a movie with a big production company and everything if I would have the confidence to tell some exec that his idea is stupid.
Keep in mind that the invisible car was just the next progression in a series of more-and-more ridiculous gadgets/autos.  From an outsider it appears completely silly, but the to the writer who needed a fresh idea, it wasn't that big a leap.  And it wasn't just the car, do you remember the villain's mech/armor/suit?  Kind of reminds you of certain game developers who add trains to a certain series... (please don't start a debate, this move obviously resulted in mixed-reactions)

As for the most popular bond movie, I'm pretty sure that title belongs to Casino Royale.  In terms of cultural significance, however, Goldfinger is still unmatched.  Among Bond fans Goldeneye is usually one of Brosnan's top two films, at least from what I've observed.
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Post by: Stratos on April 27, 2010, 03:43:25 PM
By Casino Royale do you mean the newest one or the original version (there was an original version, right?).

The Daniel Craig bonds are good action movies, but I miss the ones from the late 70's and early 80's. Those ones are classic.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 27, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
(there was an original version, right?).

Yes, it was made it 1967 and one of only two Bond movies not made be EON Productions (the other being 1983's Never Say Never Again, a spoof movie starring Sean Connery and basically a remake of Thunderball), which technically makes it an unofficial Bond movie. It starred David Niven as Bond. Apparently it got lukewarm reviews at the time (Roger Ebert called it "possibly the most indulgent film ever made"), but later reviews were more positive.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on April 27, 2010, 03:57:22 PM
By Casino Royale do you mean the newest one or the original version (there was an original version, right?).

The Daniel Craig bonds are good action movies, but I miss the ones from the late 70's and early 80's. Those ones are classic.
Which one do you think?
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Post by: Stratos on April 27, 2010, 04:10:28 PM
LOL, Casino Royale wasn't a remake. The old film was actually a spoof of the James Bond novel. I didn't realize that until I looked it up just now. I guess when I heard the phrase 'reboot' when the film was first being made caused me to assume it was a remake of an earlier film I had yet to see.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 27, 2010, 04:14:36 PM
"reboot" means kicking the previous Bond actor off the set.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 27, 2010, 05:04:40 PM
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As for the most popular bond movie, I'm pretty sure that title belongs to Casino Royale.  In terms of cultural significance, however, Goldfinger is still unmatched.

Is Casino Royale is the most popular entirely because it's newer?  I have a feeling that if you did a public poll one of the Daniel Craig films would win because of younger people having no knowledge of the earlier films.  I agree that Goldfinger is unmatched.  Hell, it's the BEST Bond film.  The Sean Connery films are the essential Bond.  And any Bond pop culture reference is almost always from the Connery era.  If you showed a 15 year old Goldfinger he would recognize stuff like Oddjob and the "no, Mr. Bond I expect you to die" scenes, despite having never seen the original clips.
 
Though my favourite Bond reference spoofs From Russia with Love.  "What are you going to do with these guys?"  "Oh nothing.  I've just always wanted to open a door to a room where people are being trained like in James Bond movies." :)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 27, 2010, 05:06:48 PM
I find it funny that THAT is the reason you couldn't take Die Another Day seriously, instead of, say, the INVISIBLE CAR! Who comes up with an idea like that and doesn't get laughed at?  :Q

If you think that's funny, you need to check this out:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306678,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306678,00.html)


See, you think the invisible car is a laughable idea, yet it has a basis in reality and is something very possible.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2010, 06:07:41 PM
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As for the most popular bond movie, I'm pretty sure that title belongs to Casino Royale.  In terms of cultural significance, however, Goldfinger is still unmatched.

Is Casino Royale is the most popular entirely because it's newer?  I have a feeling that if you did a public poll one of the Daniel Craig films would win because of younger people having no knowledge of the earlier films.  I agree that Goldfinger is unmatched.  Hell, it's the BEST Bond film.  The Sean Connery films are the essential Bond.  And any Bond pop culture reference is almost always from the Connery era.  If you showed a 15 year old Goldfinger he would recognize stuff like Oddjob and the "no, Mr. Bond I expect you to die" scenes, despite having never seen the original clips.
 
Though my favourite Bond reference spoofs From Russia with Love.  "What are you going to do with these guys?"  "Oh nothing.  I've just always wanted to open a door to a room where people are being trained like in James Bond movies." :)

You just contradicted the hell out of your self in this post. How do you have no knowledge of something yet recognize scenes from it?
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 27, 2010, 06:26:34 PM
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You just contradicted the hell out of your self in this post. How do you have no knowledge of something yet recognize scenes from it?

The Simpsons is full of pop culture references and spoofs.  As a kid I laughted at tons of gags that at the time I had no idea were references.  Later when watching the source material I would see the same scene and realize that The Simpsons were referencing it.  In Goldfinger's case the scene where Bond is strapped to a table with a laserbeam slowly moving towards him is so iconic that odds are most people who are unfamiliar with Goldfinger would, while watching the film, see the scene and think "ah, so THIS is where that's from."  They know the references, they just don't know they're from Goldfinger or possibly even James Bond.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2010, 06:32:01 PM
It sounded like you said show them goldfinger and they will recognize the scenes and characters, but before that you said they would have no knowledge of the films.

Now I know you meant that they would see parody/spoof scenes in other media and then recognize those scenes and characters once they see the original.

It makes sense now when you read it like that.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 27, 2010, 07:04:33 PM
Not to mention the Austin Powers movies, which are a big lovefest to the whole spy genre, especially Dr. Evil (I remember him saying that "I expect you to die" line).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 27, 2010, 07:13:52 PM
You Only Move Twice, aka The Greatest Episode of The Simpsons Ever, is one giant Bond parody, with all kinds of references to the movies and an inspired performance by Albert Brooks as Hank Scorpio, who was described in the DVD commentary as "like if Steve Jobs were a Bond villain." So just like Steve Jobs, then.
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Post by: Stogi on April 27, 2010, 07:52:33 PM
Well new rumor.
Gamestop is alegedly going to be accepting preorders for a Black and White Wii bundle with Wii Sports Resort as the pack in game on May 2nd.The bundle is suppose to come out May 9th. The bundle,if true, will cost $199.99.
Is May 9th the day that the Black Wii comes to America? We shall see what comes of this.

**** YES!

I get to play MG2 like everyone else!
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 27, 2010, 08:04:24 PM
I like in You Only Move Twice when Homer tackles the Bond-lookalike and while Hank is thanking him for the good work, armed guards are just nonchalantly killing the guy behind Homer's back.

Though while a really funny episode I found it to be WAY too over-the-top as a Simpsons episode and sure enough the direction of the show quickly changed into something I didn't care for.  It's the first non-Halloween episode of season 8 and truly the start of a way wackier Simpsons show than the seven seasons preceeding it.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on April 27, 2010, 08:24:49 PM
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As for the most popular bond movie, I'm pretty sure that title belongs to Casino Royale.  In terms of cultural significance, however, Goldfinger is still unmatched.

Is Casino Royale is the most popular entirely because it's newer?  I have a feeling that if you did a public poll one of the Daniel Craig films would win because of younger people having no knowledge of the earlier films.  I agree that Goldfinger is unmatched.  Hell, it's the BEST Bond film.  The Sean Connery films are the essential Bond.  And any Bond pop culture reference is almost always from the Connery era.  If you showed a 15 year old Goldfinger he would recognize stuff like Oddjob and the "no, Mr. Bond I expect you to die" scenes, despite having never seen the original clips.
I was talking about box office numbers, although I didn't actually check them.  I just seem to remember CR being the winner...
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 27, 2010, 08:46:54 PM
According to Box Office Mojo, here is how the Bond movies rank according to box office revenue in the US (although Casino Royale wins the worldwide total $594.2 million to $586 million):

Quantum of Solace $168,368,427
Casino Royale $167,445,960
Die Another Day $160,942,139
The World Is Not Enough $126,943,684
Tomorrow Never Dies $125,304,276
GoldenEye $106,429,941
Moonraker $70,308,099
Octopussy $67,893,619
Thunderball $63,595,658
Never Say Never Again    $55,432,841
For Your Eyes Only $54,812,802
The Living Daylights $51,185,897
Goldfinger $51,081,062
A View to a Kill $50,327,960
The Spy Who Loved Me $46,838,673
Diamonds Are Forever $43,819,547
You Only Live Twice $43,084,787
Live and Let Die $35,377,836
License to Kill $34,667,015
From Russia, with Love    $24,796,765
On Her Majesty's Secret Service $22,774,493
The Man with the Golden Gun $20,972,000
Dr. No $16,067,035
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2010, 08:54:38 PM
Those need to be adjusted for inflation, we're talking about $0.75 movie tickets back in the day vs $10 movie tickets today.

Not a very fair comparison.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 27, 2010, 09:07:57 PM
Agreed, I was just presenting the raw numbers. However, I am not a big fan of using numbers adjusted for inflation (it does stuff like changing Gone with the Wind from $400.1 million to $1.537 billion).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 27, 2010, 09:14:11 PM
I like in You Only Move Twice when Homer tackles the Bond-lookalike and while Hank is thanking him for the good work, armed guards are just nonchalantly killing the guy behind Homer's back.

Though while a really funny episode I found it to be WAY too over-the-top as a Simpsons episode and sure enough the direction of the show quickly changed into something I didn't care for.  It's the first non-Halloween episode of season 8 and truly the start of a way wackier Simpsons show than the seven seasons preceeding it.

The eighth season was the best season of the show.
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Post by: Stratos on April 28, 2010, 03:08:48 AM
I preferred the older Bond theme songs to the modern ones. View to a Kill is a personal favorite. My favorite modern one would be World is not Enough.

...

Did we just thoroughly derail the rumor thread?

~I created a general Bond thread since we did not already have one I could find so we could continue discussion there. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31189.new#new)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 28, 2010, 04:14:33 AM
Well new rumor.
Gamestop is alegedly going to be accepting preorders for a Black and White Wii bundle with Wii Sports Resort as the pack in game on May 2nd.The bundle is suppose to come out May 9th. The bundle,if true, will cost $199.99.
Is May 9th the day that the Black Wii comes to America? We shall see what comes of this.

**** YES!

I get to play MG2 like everyone else!
Well it looks like there are going to be more stores stocking this black Wii. Walmart and Frys as well. So this could be true. Just have to wait on a Nintendo confirmation.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 28, 2010, 10:21:32 AM

The eighth season was the best season of the show.

Seasons 5 and 6 would like to have a word with you.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2010, 10:55:42 AM
Well new rumor.
Gamestop is alegedly going to be accepting preorders for a Black and White Wii bundle with Wii Sports Resort as the pack in game on May 2nd.The bundle is suppose to come out May 9th. The bundle,if true, will cost $199.99.
Is May 9th the day that the Black Wii comes to America? We shall see what comes of this.

**** YES!

I get to play MG2 like everyone else!
Well it looks like there are going to be more stores stocking this black Wii. Walmart and Frys as well. So this could be true. Just have to wait on a Nintendo confirmation.

Where is this rumor coming from BTW?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 28, 2010, 11:08:23 AM
Well new rumor.
Gamestop is alegedly going to be accepting preorders for a Black and White Wii bundle with Wii Sports Resort as the pack in game on May 2nd.The bundle is suppose to come out May 9th. The bundle,if true, will cost $199.99.
Is May 9th the day that the Black Wii comes to America? We shall see what comes of this.

**** YES!

I get to play MG2 like everyone else!
Well it looks like there are going to be more stores stocking this black Wii. Walmart and Frys as well. So this could be true. Just have to wait on a Nintendo confirmation.

Where is this rumor coming from BTW?
Found the gamestop one a few days ago on Gonintendo.Last night the Walmart and Frys popped up on GN who they got from computerandvideogames.

Hey we have someone who works at walmart.Unclebob can you say if this is true?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2010, 11:27:08 AM
Red Steel 3 to use Vitaluty Sensor? (http://www.neverknowtech.com/home/2010/4/28/red-steel-3-confirmed-uses-vitality-sensor.html)
I didn't know the 2nd one had sold enough already for them to consider a 3rd....
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French site LiveWii (http://www.livewii.fr/news/142434/Red-Steel-3-confirme-.html?c=1) is reporting that confirmation of Red Steel 3 has surfaced in the latest issue of French Nintendo Magazine. LiveWii translated into English states:
 
Despite a slow start of the second game, the Red Steel series is going to be a trilogy. It is still unclear if  we can fully rely on the information, but it's credibility comes from the newest issue of French Nintendo magazine."

Filed under "Hot News" this confirmation comes with an important detail: the game is compatible with the Wii Vitality Sensor as told in an interview Jason Vandenberghe, Art Director of Red Steel 2 at Ubisoft Montreal.
 
I fully expect more on Red Steel 3 to be shown at E3 and you can bet that Eric and I will be there, waiting to give you the information. Perhaps Red Steel 3 will detect your heartbeat in order to simulate a fatigued character?
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2010, 12:21:00 PM
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The eighth season was the best season of the show.

If you prefer that style of humour, yeah.  How one feels about season 8 is a good indication of what era of the Simpsons they prefer.  I would consider the best season to be season 5.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 28, 2010, 12:33:26 PM
Season 8 is odd, it's like a bridge between the two eras. Some of the episodes were like classic Simpons episodes ("Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala(Annoyed Grunt)cious" and "A Milhouse Divided"), others were like the new gen of episodes ("Mountain of Madness" and "Burns, Baby Burns"). Season 9 is where they made the full switch. Season 9 is the first one to have a episode that I hate ("The Principal and the Pauper").
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 28, 2010, 12:46:10 PM
Guys I just made a topic in general chat about which season of the Simpsons is best. Take the talk over there!


Ahem...
Now on to the Red Steel 3 using the vitality sensor. This is interesting if true. How does everybody think it will work?
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Post by: broodwars on April 28, 2010, 12:48:36 PM
Now on to the Red Steel 3 using the vitality sensor. This is interesting if true. How does everybody think it will work?

You kill enemies by channeling Fighting Spirit (TM), measured by the Vitality Sensor detecting heart rate increases.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2010, 01:47:55 PM
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Now on to the Red Steel 3 using the vitality sensor. This is interesting if true. How does everybody think it will work?

I don't know.  Do we even know how the vitality sensor really works?
 
I really wonder why Ubisoft is continuing to use the Red Steel name.  I think the weak Red Steel 2 sales demonstrate that the brand name is tainted by the first game.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2010, 02:11:58 PM
1) We don't know that this is even confirmed
2) We don't have access to internal April sales #'s (sales could've picked up, the game has been having $10 off sales for the last 2 weeks)
3) Ubisoft really needs a new successful IP, and sequels mean success..... right?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 30, 2010, 01:21:55 AM
Red Steel 3 to use Vitaluty Sensor? (http://www.neverknowtech.com/home/2010/4/28/red-steel-3-confirmed-uses-vitality-sensor.html)
I didn't know the 2nd one had sold enough already for them to consider a 3rd....
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French site LiveWii (http://www.livewii.fr/news/142434/Red-Steel-3-confirme-.html?c=1) is reporting that confirmation of Red Steel 3 has surfaced in the latest issue of French Nintendo Magazine. LiveWii translated into English states:
 
Despite a slow start of the second game, the Red Steel series is going to be a trilogy. It is still unclear if  we can fully rely on the information, but it's credibility comes from the newest issue of French Nintendo magazine."

Filed under "Hot News" this confirmation comes with an important detail: the game is compatible with the Wii Vitality Sensor as told in an interview Jason Vandenberghe, Art Director of Red Steel 2 at Ubisoft Montreal.
 
I fully expect more on Red Steel 3 to be shown at E3 and you can bet that Eric and I will be there, waiting to give you the information. Perhaps Red Steel 3 will detect your heartbeat in order to simulate a fatigued character?

Well the Vitality Sensor comment was a joke but that doesn't stop making a 3rd Red Steel game.Just thought I would let everybody know.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 30, 2010, 01:38:01 AM
So you're saying there is an update to the story and the Vitality sensor comment was a joke and not just mistranslated?

can you point me towards the site that says it?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 30, 2010, 01:47:17 AM
So you're saying there is an update to the story and the Vitality sensor comment was a joke and not just mistranslated?

can you point me towards the site that says it?
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=122102
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 30, 2010, 10:51:32 AM
I'm glad they are working on Red Steel 3. I don't know about the vitality sensor, but I think 3 will have a decent online multiplayer, because that was the one thing they didn't put into RS2 that they really should have.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 30, 2010, 01:21:50 PM
I've got something for us all to speculate on. It's something some of us have mentioned that Nintendo needs in the next system to bring them up to date feature-wise with the competition.

A background operating system that allows uniformity of function between different features and software. Such as Wii speak being independent from the game you are playing so that you can have a conversation with a friend while surfing the net, paying a game (same or different) or while browsing the WiiShop, background downloading (self explanatory), user accounts, etc. etc.

First we'll start with the Nintendo ES Operating System (NES OS?)that they were working on since way back before the release of the Wii
Inside Nintendo's ES Open-Source Operating System (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=16503)
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[...]an open-source operating system from Nintendo, titled ES[...]was made public on August 30, 2006.
[...]
ES "runs natively on x86 (and qemu of course), kernel is written in C++, uses an ECMAScript interpreter for all of the userland, uses Cairo for graphics, and even has a port of [programming language] Squeak."

The OS is a 'research system,' meaning that there is no specific application for it at present, and is being used for experimentation. However, a story commenter on Gamedev.net theorizes: that it could be the framework for something like Microsoft's XNA, and is certainly expandable to platforms other than PC with a little work.

The commenter, 'ravyne2001' postulates: "Officially, it's simply a "research operating system." Something Nintendo is toying with and which may or may not lead to an eventual release in much the same way that Nintendo has always been in constant hardware development..."

"The working theory" he continues, "seems to be that this OS might be the early stages of something similar to Microsoft's XNA -- basically a sandbox environment which offers hardware acceleration and a userland based on some form of VM execution, ECMAscript in this instance. Although the current build is against X86, it could be ported over to PPC to run on the Wii, for instance."

For now, the operating system is laid bare to the public, which OSNews commentors seem to think is designed with broad adoption and simplicity in mind.

We know the next Wii needs a central OS to avoid the incompatible short sighted mess that is the current IOS we use now (older games can't use SDHC cards because it wasn't programmed for them, can't use WiiSpeak in multiplayer games because they weren't programmed for it, can't use whatever control scheme I want since it wasn't programmed for it, etc. etc.).

But the lead programmer for this ES Operating system left Nintendo for Google Japan....
http://jp.linkedin.com/pub/shiki-okasaka/7/876/5b3 (http://jp.linkedin.com/pub/shiki-okasaka/7/876/5b3)
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Shiki Okasaka’s Experience

    *
      Software Engineer
      Google Japan Inc.

      (Public Company; 10,001 or more employees; GOOG; Internet industry)

      January 2008 — Present (2 years 4 months)
   
    *
      Group Manager
      Nintendo Co., Ltd.

      (Entertainment industry)

      August 1998 — December 2007 (9 years 5 months)

      Designed and developed the operating system for GameCube

But he is still working on the ES Operating system which just so happens to be under copyright by Nintendo & Google.
http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/ (http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/)
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We are creating a new pure component operating system named ES. This  project was started by Shiki Okasaka and Kyu Ueno at Nintendo largely  affected by Rob Pike's "Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf)" talk in  2000. Since 2008, this project has been hosted in Google Code under the  copyright of both Google and Nintendo in hope we can reach more people  worldwide.

But what does all this mean? Is this something that Nintendo is hoping to make standard and use in the next home console?

Google just recently came out with their own browser and have an Operating System that soon to follow, could this code research have some overlap?

Is it possible that for the next generation Nintendo & Google team up to provide the software tools & enironment needed to build games and online infrastructure for future Nintendo systems?

Quote from: *2007
"We propose an extensible component operating system architecture in  which an operating system kernel uses reflection to process C++ pure  virtual function based system calls and upcalls to provide a unified  programming environment for application, server, and kernel development.  We found that we could even develop file subsystems and a TCP/IP  protocol stack on an existing operating system based on this  architecture."

What does everyone think of a NintenGoogle team-up?

They do have common rivals in Apple & MS
and if the OS is any good, you can count on Sony licensing it* just to stick it to MS... and make things harder for Apple.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 30, 2010, 01:37:14 PM
Great googly-moogly.
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Post by: Caliban on April 30, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
I like. Nintendo and Google to rule the world... next, the universe.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 30, 2010, 05:23:26 PM
Hm. What if the 3DS and the Wii 2 both ran the same OS?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 30, 2010, 05:31:10 PM
That would be pretty sweet and show that Nintendo is thinking beyond what they are currently working on now and looking toward what they could be working on 2-3 years from now (especially if they get some sort of market dominance next time around like they did this time around).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 30, 2010, 05:34:47 PM
I like the channel setup that the current Wii has, I hope they incorporate that into their next system. It'd be nice if you could switch channels without exiting out of them, so you could pause the game you're playing and check other channels without having to return to the menu and reload the game and all that.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 30, 2010, 05:41:12 PM
Hm. What if the 3DS and the Wii 2 both ran the same OS?

Will Connectivity make a comeback?
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Post by: Mop it up on April 30, 2010, 05:42:28 PM
Couldn't the current Wii do that? It can download demos to the DS... now we just need someone brave enough to make a game that communicates with a DS in some way.
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Post by: Adrock on April 30, 2010, 05:50:59 PM
This makes sense for Nintendo. Teaming with Google gives them a powerful partner with 2 open source operating systems. I guess it's certainly possible that Nintendo adopted Chrome or Android or even merged their own ES operating system with one of the two though it'd probably make more sense to base their own variation on Android rather than Chrome. Assuming one of these is the case, I wonder if Nintendo plans on making a portable and home console version to unify 3DS/Wii2. Also, would an Android variation give Nintendo access to Google's Android Market? Wouldn't that be something? I highly doubt Nintendo would license out their own games/apps but adopting Google's Android Market into their own shop would be pretty neato.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 30, 2010, 05:55:44 PM
Couldn't the current Wii do that? It can download demos to the DS... now we just need someone brave enough to make a game that communicates with a DS in some way.

Nintendo is a coward.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 30, 2010, 06:21:19 PM
This makes sense for Nintendo. Teaming with Google gives them a powerful partner with 2 open source operating systems. I guess it's certainly possible that Nintendo adopted Chrome or Android or even merged their own ES operating system with one of the two though it'd probably make more sense to base their own variation on Android rather than Chrome. Assuming one of these is the case, I wonder if Nintendo plans on making a portable and home console version to unify 3DS/Wii2. Also, would an Android variation give Nintendo access to Google's Android Market? Wouldn't that be something? I highly doubt Nintendo would license out their own games/apps but adopting Google's Android Market into their own shop would be pretty neato.

I'm sure they would have to be tweaked to work with the Nintendo system (done that way on purpose) so that they can be sold at a slightly different price so that Nintendo can get their cut for software that works on their system.

If they do use the ES OS and the ES is in someway part of the building blocks of Chrome or Android (which could be possible), then there would be a lot of possibilities opening up since the native code should be similar and lots of things will be easy to adapt/convert.

3DS with customized Android apps and built in Chrome 3DS browser(complete with compatible add-ons)

code that is readable by the Wii & 3DS so that games are truly compatible and connectivity can really be achieved.

Wii2 using the techspertise of Google to manage their Chrome Wii OS, built in browser & search. with the ability so sync your saves from your 3DS onto your Wii2 and truly use your 3DS as an extension of your Wii2.

I don't really want to start a HYPE train over it(yet), but it could be a really really smart move by Nintendo to get Google in their corner. It would be a very powerful ally with very deep pockets to help fight back the competition while giving us, the consumer, everything they wanted and all the things we never knew we wanted until they gave it to us.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 30, 2010, 07:34:00 PM
I think Nintendo can develop a decent OS for the Wii2 and 3DS on their own.  Al they have to do is actually THINK of how people and third parties will want to use it.  Nintendo's tunnel vision results in them making very short-sighting stupid mistakes that any idiot could avoid.  It's very odd that such a successful company flubs such easy stuff so routinely.  Design it for everybody, not just Nintendo.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 30, 2010, 07:45:43 PM
They were developing this one on their own, and then their lead programmer moved to Google and continued making it on Google's dime and resources. Google plans for future while Nintendo focuses on the now, so combine the 2 and you get a system that does everything it needs to do now while still being secure yet expandable beyond just todays applications.

It's a perfect fit. NinGoogdo
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Post by: Adrock on April 30, 2010, 08:05:48 PM
I think Nintendo can develop a decent OS for the Wii2 and 3DS on their own.  Al they have to do is actually THINK of how people and third parties will want to use it.  Nintendo's tunnel vision results in them making very short-sighting stupid mistakes that any idiot could avoid.  It's very odd that such a successful company flubs such easy stuff so routinely.  Design it for everybody, not just Nintendo.
Yes, anyone can develop an OS on their own. A lot of good that did Palm, right? The question, then, is why? Android and Chrome already exist. Nintendo would be wise to use that to their advantage (i.e. people already develop for Android) and build their own specific version of the OS rather than start from scratch.

I don't see how this could possibly be bad for Nintendo so long as they keep all the rights to their IPs and still control the hardware and licensing side of things. A partnership with Google gives Nintendo so many options and resources.
I'm sure they would have to be tweaked to work with the Nintendo system (done that way on purpose) so that they can be sold at a slightly different price so that Nintendo can get their cut for software that works on their system.
Not sure it'd need to be. Nintendo could very easily negotiate a cut of every app downloaded onto Nintendo hardware, as well as keeping 1st party software off of the general Android Market. A lot of variables here. Google is involved in everything nowadays. For example, they opened WiFi hotspots in like 40 some airports last year, if I remember correctly. That would be super valuable for the 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 30, 2010, 08:39:45 PM
The reason why I say it would need to be tweaked to run on Nintendo Hardware is because Nintendo will make their hardware technically incompatible is some way necessary that the software needs to be tweaked to run on it. That is to make sure that not just any Android app will work on the system (needs to pass through Nintendo first), Nintendo can make sure they are getting their cut, and to ensure that software designed for Nintendo hardware will not be compatible with other android products. All they would want to benefit from is the large developer pool and friendly/familiar development environment that a Google OS/Browser would bring to the table.

and since Nintendo are the creators of ES, and Google has since adopted it, I would assume that ES might be the trojan horse in the the Chrome/Android community(at least I hope) that opens up millions to Nintendo software development.

Nintendo doesn't try to make money off of development kits, so making sure that everyone is already familiar with your programming environment and allowing them to basically work with what they got would be a big boon to the independent development houses.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 30, 2010, 11:29:24 PM
Stop calling the Chrome OS an OS. There's a reason it has the same name as Google's web browser, and that is because Chrome OS is a glorified web browser. In addition to being an awful excuse for an OS, it's especially awful for what Nintendo would want to do with it.

As for Android, I don't think Nintendo would cede that much power over their hardware to a third party. As much as I'd love an opportunity to try out Android, I really can't see Nintendo doing that.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 01, 2010, 01:14:52 AM
I like the GameCube OS.  I think it boots faster than a DS.  I'm probably wrong.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2010, 01:51:57 AM
Stop calling the Chrome OS an OS. There's a reason it has the same name as Google's web browser, and that is because Chrome OS is a glorified web browser. In addition to being an awful excuse for an OS, it's especially awful for what Nintendo would want to do with it.

As for Android, I don't think Nintendo would cede that much power over their hardware to a third party. As much as I'd love an opportunity to try out Android, I really can't see Nintendo doing that.

I didn't even know Chrome OS was released, I thought it was still a work in progress. Besides, i don't think I ever referred to a Chrome OS.... maybe a Google OS, but I the only OS I think I mentioned was a Wii2 OS made from the ES OS, but I'm too lazy to go back and look.

As for Android, I never meant a straight up licensing of Android. I was talking about ES OS being the base or share some sort of code with Android and Nintendo being able to take advantage of that familiarity to gain support for their future hardware.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 01, 2010, 02:10:33 AM
I know you weren't talking about Chrome, but Adrock was referring to it like it was an actual operating system, talking about it in the same breath as Android.

And if you're not going to license Android, what's the point of using it at all? Nintendo's never had a problem with the technical side of it. They're perfectly capable of coding the OS themselves; it's not like using the base of Android would let them do something they couldn't have done on their own. The area in which Nintendo could have trouble is in the conceptual sense, figuring out what features to include and how they should be implemented. Starting from the base of Android wouldn't help them in that regard anymore than spending time using Android and other operating systems and observing how they work.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2010, 02:33:02 AM
I was going with the speculation that the base of Android could be the ES OS that Nintendo is already co-copyrighted on. and that is why they could be similar, or similar enough to have some interoperability.
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Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2010, 12:53:03 PM
I know you weren't talking about Chrome, but Adrock was referring to it like it was an actual operating system, talking about it in the same breath as Android.
Alright, relax.... I admit I don't know much about Chrome outside of a very basic understanding of cloud computing. Every news piece I've read, and I read a lot of them when I supposed to be working, refers to it as an operating system. No need to jump down my throat. You're acting like I killed your dog and called your mother a whore....

In my defense, I did say it'd make more sense to work off of Android than Chrome and most of my suggestions refer specifically to using Android. I still think that it's a good idea. There's nothing inherently wrong with Nintendo developing their own OS as they're certainly capable of doing so. However, I still think there are more advantages to using Android.
The area in which Nintendo could have trouble is in the conceptual sense, figuring out what features to include and how they should be implemented. Starting from the base of Android wouldn't help them in that regard anymore than spending time using Android and other operating systems and observing how they work.
Isn't that something Google could help Nintendo with?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 01, 2010, 01:19:53 PM
Sony's tunnel vision results in them making very short-sighting stupid mistakes that any idiot could avoid.

I went ahead and fixed that for you, Ian.

I know you couldn't really be talking about Nintendo, because after all they are the most successful video gaming company of this generation with the highest market share.
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Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2010, 01:46:32 PM
Well, just because you're successful, doesn't mean you can't or don't make mistakes. Nintendo made a bunch of really boneheaded mistakes this generation. I don't think a list really needs to be compiled.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2010, 01:50:41 PM
Nintendo's tunnel vision results in them making very short-sighting stupid mistakes that any idiot could avoid.

I went ahead and fixed that for you, Ian.

I know you couldn't really be talking about Nintendo, because after all they are the most successful video gaming company of this generation with the highest market share.

No. He had it right the first time.
Successful or not, Nintendo has made lots of short sighted stupid oversights that could have been avoided and it wouldn't have lessened the success they have right now, but possibly increase it.

Things like Wii Speak are stupid since Nintendo didn't leave enough memory to expand upon what was already in the box, old games can't access new features like SDHC since Nintendo has some sort of retarded IOC firmware that isn't BC with older software (something a more centralized OS would fix), 720p output.... The Xbox did it and the Wii is more powerful than the xbox, 512MB internal storage... even in 2006 1GB SD cards were like $5 for the average consumer.... Someone ordering on Nintendo's volume could probably have gotten them for $1 a piece or upgraded to 2GB internal.  The amount of stuff people would have room to download without Nintendo having to go back and reprogram SD support would have been worth the pennies per unit cost. Not allowing loading from the SD card to save internal memory space. Friend codes over user log-in. Not enough RAM, would 128MB really have cost too much(would probably fix the WiiSpeak quality issue)? And I'm sure the list could  go on, and on, and on.

I know there are lots of reasons that some of these things didn't happen, but some of them were easily predictable (especially if you have insight into the company's future plans) and very easily avoidable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 04, 2010, 05:21:56 PM
yeah this is never going to happen. I understand why some would want it to happen and I see the benefits but Nintendo is already partnered up with a lot of companies and even though they're making bank, they have to cut those people in.

That's why nintendo only partners with people when A) it'll make them a vast amount of money and B) they absolutely need something from this company. Partnering with google for an OS doesn't cut it. Nintendo would rather build it themselves, especially seeing as how their OS now is fine enough to make them millions of dollars.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2010, 05:34:09 PM
But they are already partnered on making the OS.....

It's just a question of does this OS resurface in the next Nintendo console/handheld and/or is it already being used in some fashion by Google (Chrome/Android).
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 04, 2010, 06:02:17 PM
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I went ahead and fixed that for you, Ian.

I know you couldn't really be talking about Nintendo, because after all they are the most successful video gaming company of this generation with the highest market share.

I don't subscribe to the theory that if one is in a favourable situation that every decision they've made up to the point was correct.  Or vice versa.  Nintendo has always thought about themselves and the botton line for the next quarter with all else taking a backseat.
 
Sony thinks enough about the future that they over-extended themselves this gen and that's why the PS3 was so damn expensive.  They were thinking about HD.  They were thinking about how they wanted Blu-Ray to become the HD standard and how they needed a console that could make use of these new TV standards.  The timing was kind of the shits for both Sony and MS in that they felt they needed to make consoles that complimented HDTVs, which makes a lot of sense in today's market, but that was going to price things too high at the time.
 
Sony went from first to LAST and yet their third party support has remained strong and virtually unaffected.  Nintendo somehow has managed to be the first ever market leader to have by far the WORST third party support of their generation.  If you're going to use end results to determine who knows what they're doing, that result suggests that Nintendo ain't exactly without flaw.  I highly doubt this was part of the plan.
 
I see the theory of how Nintendo and Google could compliment each other but I think that their different approaches would clash.  What if Nintendo wouldn't want to spend extra time or money for something that won't matter in the here and now while Google did?  I think Nintendo more or less HAS to work largely alone, unless they really change their attitude.  They seem too stubborn to work well with others at this level.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on May 04, 2010, 06:50:05 PM
Ian, I have to disagree.  It was Nintendo who realized five years ago that the industry growth was slowing (shrinking, even), and who predicted that game budgets would become too big for most developers to survive.  How can you  say that Nintendo always thinks about the bottom line for the next quarter, when their actions have changed the direction of gaming for the next decade, all the while being very communicative of their intentions?
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Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2010, 06:58:18 PM
It's just a question of does this OS resurface in the next Nintendo console/handheld and/or is it already being used in some fashion by Google (Chrome/Android).
Uh oh... *insanolord smash*
Sony went from first to LAST and yet their third party support has remained strong and virtually unaffected.
Whoa, slow down, there, chief. Sony lost almost all of their former exclusives. They've been able to hold on to 3rd party support because of mutlplatform releases. Virtually unaffected? In numbers, yes, kind of, but looking at the big picture, their 3rd party support is no where near what it once was. 3rd party exclusives are becoming a dying breed, but when they hit, it's usually on 360.
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I see the theory of how Nintendo and Google could compliment each other but I think that their different approaches would clash.  What if Nintendo wouldn't want to spend extra time or money for something that won't matter in the here and now while Google did?
Companies make partnerships based on specific needs, not to rifle through each other's sh*t and step on each other's toes. Nintendo partners with tons of companies and the approaches don't clash. If Nintendo made a deal with Google to license Android to base their own OS on, I highly doubt Nintendo would agree to let Google have final say on it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2010, 07:16:05 PM
It's just a question of does this OS resurface in the next Nintendo console/handheld and/or is it already being used in some fashion by Google (Chrome/Android).
Uh oh... *insanolord smash*

I was referring to the browser since it shares the idea of running applications much like Android.

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I see the theory of how Nintendo and Google could compliment each other but I think that their different approaches would clash.  What if Nintendo wouldn't want to spend extra time or money for something that won't matter in the here and now while Google did?
Companies make partnerships based on specific needs, not to rifle through each other's sh*t and step on each other's toes. Nintendo partners with tons of companies and the approaches don't clash. If Nintendo made a deal with Google to license Android to base their own OS on, I highly doubt Nintendo would agree to let Google have final say on it.

and if ES was the base for Android in the first place, then Nintendo wouldn't really need to license it since they could just make something very compatible.
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Post by: Stogi on May 04, 2010, 08:02:08 PM
But they are already partnered on making the OS.....

Covering your ass and partnering are two different things.
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Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
I was referring to the browser since it shares the idea of running applications much like Android.
I know what you were referring to. I was just having some fun....
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and if ES was the base for Android in the first place, then Nintendo wouldn't really need to license it since they could just make something very compatible.
I highly doubt ES was the basis for Android. From what I understand, Android is based off of Linux and was developed by a company named Android Inc. which in turn was purchased by Google in 2005 therefore Google had nothing to do with Android or Android Inc. until then. Additionally, Android is written in Java while the article you linked to states ES is written in C++. Now, I won't pretend to know all the technical ins and outs. Rather, I'm just pointing out a few inconsistencies.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
Oh i see.

I figured if Google was working on it, then some parts of it would have made their way into Chrome and Android since i don't remember either one being released before 2008.

But they are already partnered on making the OS.....

Covering your ass and partnering are two different things.

You should re-read the 1st post I made on this? Nintendo started the development on the ES OS and the same engineer is now working on it at Google. They have both co-copyrighted it. It belongs to both Nintendo & Google.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 04, 2010, 08:57:03 PM
I read it. And my post still makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2010, 09:01:20 PM
then please explain.
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Post by: Stogi on May 04, 2010, 09:07:38 PM
Unless Nintendo purposely sent the dude to Google, this is just another example of Nintendo covering there ass.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2010, 09:16:34 PM
If it was developed under Nintendo's roof on Nintendo's dime then it's Nintendo's property.
how is Nintendo covering their ass?

The guy that started it moved to Google (probably for a fatter pay check and access to more tech) likely with Nintendo's blessing to work on the ES OS and for the shared resources and continues development Nintendo let Google co-copyright.

Nintendo could have buried that code in their R&D sector till it was completely outdated and remained unfinished, but let Google resources see the project till the end.

So please explain how this is Nintendo covering their ass.
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Post by: Stogi on May 04, 2010, 11:18:10 PM
You are assuming he left with Nintendo's blessing. I'm more cynical when it comes to business.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2010, 12:59:11 AM
He took Nintendo code with him and started openly working on it at Google.... Do you really think the Ninjas at Nintendo would let him do that if he didn't have the blessing?
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2010, 01:07:59 AM
Not without covering their ass ;)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2010, 01:11:57 AM
Covering their ass how?

They owned the code first.
they co-copyrighted it with Google.

how is Nintendo covering their ass? and covering their ass from what?
I really am not understanding.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 05, 2010, 01:55:29 AM
From some unagi waiting to crawl up its profitable rectum.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 05, 2010, 02:34:02 PM
I don't think this ES business points to anything Nintendo will put in a future console, either.  Since Nintendo is so secretive, the fact that Nintendo let the guy take his pet project with him to Google suggests the opposite.  The co-copyright deal only means that Nintendo was smart enough to hold on to partial ownership just in case it turns into something profitable in the future.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 05, 2010, 03:23:29 PM
I don't think this ES business points to anything Nintendo will put in a future console, either.  Since Nintendo is so secretive, the fact that Nintendo let the guy take his pet project with him to Google suggests the opposite.  The co-copyright deal only means that Nintendo was smart enough to hold on to partial ownership just in case it turns into something profitable in the future.
This is my take as well.  Nintendo saw a possible investment opportunity and decided to stick with it.  He was leaving Nintendo for Google and asked if he could keep working on ES.  Nintendo gave permission on the promise that if it made money, they'd get some of that money.  That's why there is a co-copyright on it.  Nintendo will do nothing with ES.  The only stake they have in it is a monetary one.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2010, 04:36:15 PM
Sony's 3rd party support remains strong, but it is absolutely wrong to say it is unaffected or is as strong as it was in the PS2 days. As was pointed out by a previous poster, they have far less exclusives than they used to. What they do usually get from 3rd parties is multiplatform titles that are shared with the 360 and PC.

Nintendo's 3rd party support is abysmal, but considering its been that way for the last 10 years I really don't know if I can say its worse than ever. It may be just as bad as always, but it may even have improved because Nintendo is getting a few things like Monster Hunter Tri and so forth that probably wouldn't have happeend in the GC days.
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2010, 06:32:59 PM
Covering their ass how?

They owned the code first.
they co-copyrighted it with Google.

how is Nintendo covering their ass? and covering their ass from what?
I really am not understanding.

I'm sorry. I've been purposely vague because, in a dickheaded way, I thought it was funny. But yes, Nintendo is simply covering there ass. And what I mean has already been stated perfectly.

I don't think this ES business points to anything Nintendo will put in a future console, either.  Since Nintendo is so secretive, the fact that Nintendo let the guy take his pet project with him to Google suggests the opposite.  The co-copyright deal only means that Nintendo was smart enough to hold on to partial ownership just in case it turns into something profitable in the future.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2010, 12:37:35 PM
If Retro's working on a new big project, they would've already replaced the senior staff that left, and we'd hear about BOTH the new staff and the new project.

Since neither has happened, the studio is probably dead.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2010, 12:45:45 PM
look them up on LinkedIn.com
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2010, 01:03:27 PM
No.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2010, 02:52:06 PM
Nintendo Power is hyping some new reveal.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/23u7pzk.jpg)

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Next issue's going to be the big one. In addition to an exclusive cover   story on a huge new title, we'll bring you first looks of half a dozen   incredible games, including de Blob 2 and an astonishing title that   stars one of the gaming's most recognizable heroes. Plus, we'll have   major reviews and more! Color us excited.

Anyone care to take a guess?

Starfox? Mario Galaxy 2? Metroid: Other M?

ONM is also hyping something up too (http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=16947)
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Speaking of the future, you may want to mark Wednesday 16 June in your diary. We'll be revealing world exclusive details on a top secret new game in the next issue of ONM. We had to make sure we cover this new game which is why ONM 56 and 57 are both being released on a Wednesday rather than a Friday as usual.

SMG2 doesn't fit in that description assuming they may be talking about the same game.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 06, 2010, 02:55:58 PM
I think it's Kirby Star Wii.
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Post by: broodwars on May 06, 2010, 03:06:30 PM
Considering the backdrop for that page is outer space, I'm going to guess Star Fox Wii (though Mario Galaxy 2's presence is another possible explanation).
 
EDIT:  The other big possibility, considering that this issue will be coming out around E3, is that this will be the magazine's print reveal for Zelda Wii.  Of course, the press conference will properly reveal it long before then, but that's the nature of print.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2010, 03:19:23 PM
If the cosmos image is some sort of hint it means we are dealing with some outer space related type game. I don't think SMG2 counts, because that is already a known title so you can't "reveal" it because everyone already knows about it. So my guess is its another space related title. That can certainly mean Star Fox, but it might also mean a new Pikmin title because Pikmin has an outer space theme to it. It of course could also be entirely something different...

But I think the space thing is a hint so its probably something of that nature.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2010, 03:22:51 PM
Zelda Galaxy?

Mario Kart Galaxy?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2010, 03:25:26 PM
So....

StarFox, Pikmin 3, Kirby Wii, StarTropics(?), Star Wars(?) Rogue Squadron Trilogy(?), Nintendoverse!
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on May 06, 2010, 03:28:30 PM
Odd question, but don't the dimensions of the picture seem a little off?  Is it a fold out?  I haven't read NP in several years so I'm a little curious.

Oh and my bet is for Star Fox Wii.  It better be true.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2010, 03:51:56 PM
Tomodachi Collection Galaxy?
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Post by: noname2200 on May 06, 2010, 04:05:18 PM
Kid Icarus.

IN SPACE!
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2010, 04:07:13 PM
Maybe it will be Star Fox Adventures 2.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2010, 04:08:29 PM
Kid Icarus.

IN SPACE!

That is not plausible.  Matt Casavamellon works for Apple now
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
Maybe it will be Star Fox Adventures 2.

Just like how Zelda was booted from Majora's Mask, Fox cannot be of any substance in this game.  It must be completely about Krystal, and how she decided on her wardrobe.
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Post by: King of Twitch on May 06, 2010, 04:12:32 PM
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ONM is also hyping something up too (http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=16947)

Speaking of the future

Zelda: Almanac of Tannen

Time travel, horse-betting, hotel shenanigans, sneaking around town, library raiding, manure diving. It's a perfect match.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 06, 2010, 04:20:50 PM
Let's see.  Assuming it's a Nintendo franchise because it's Nintendo Power, assuming it's got a connection to space because of the picture, and ruling out franchises based on games we already know about, that leaves five possibilities.  "Most recognizable" rules out Earthbound and Pikmin, probably.  F-Zero has recognizable characters, but isn't a character driven series, unless they actually want to put Captain Falcon in an adventure game.  On the other hand, it's well established by now that Nintendo thinks Star Fox is a character driven series, but it can't be that because I refuse to believe it on the grounds that the universe hates me and would make sure I'm wrong.  That just leaves Duke Kirby Forever.  I just don't know.

It could also be some character they're sending into space for the first time, like they did to Mario.  Maybe the mystery girl in the next Zelda is an alien.  Maybe it's another disappointing Pokémon RPG.  Maybe Little Mac's moving up to the Galactic Boxing Circuit.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 06, 2010, 04:25:20 PM
I'm somewhat disappointed that the reveal will certainly be a sequel of some sorts.  Nintendo makes good sequels and all but I'm getting pretty tired of the same franchises.  I want to see something new and this company seems adamantly opposed to anything new, unless it targets non-gamers.

Star Fox seems likely.  Other than that for first party stuff I guess we've got F-Zero, maybe Pikmin or Metroid.  Why do I get this feeling that Retro is going to reveal what they've been working on... and it's Metroid Prime 4?  God, I would just scream if that was the case.

It could work for Pikmin or Kirby but if you were going to have a teaser for those games would you pick space?  Star Fox and Metroid seem like the most appropriate franchises to use such a teaser for.  With Metroid: Other M being on our doorstep, it's probably Star Fox.  Unless Nintendo Power is a bunch of dumbasses and it is in fact just a cover story on Other M.  They mention a huge cover story and first looks but they don't necessarily connect them together.  Metroid: Other M could be the cover feature and then some other games are the first looks.  The space shot fits Metroid.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2010, 04:29:15 PM
It's probably Sonic and the Secret Stars.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 06, 2010, 04:49:13 PM
They mention a huge cover story and first looks but they don't necessarily connect them together.  Metroid: Other M could be the cover feature and then some other games are the first looks.  The space shot fits Metroid.

The more I think about it the more I think you're right.  The space shot is related to the big cover story, which means the new game starring "one of gaming's most recognizable heroes" could be just about anything.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 06, 2010, 04:56:16 PM
It seems obvious that the space shot is about the big cover story, which they say is a new game. It's safe to assume that it will NOT be Metroid: Other M.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2010, 05:00:49 PM
I forgot to mention that Metroid: Other M is the cover of the issue this info came out of.

another possible clue is "Color us excited"

It's probably Sonic and the Secret Stars.

Sonic NiGHTS!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 06, 2010, 05:10:17 PM
I'm trying really hard not to get my hopes up for Star Fox.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2010, 05:17:45 PM
WHOOO WHOOOO!

Insanolord.... you hear that!?

WHOOO WHOOOO!

that sounds like a HYPE TRAIN approaching!!
I got a free ticket for you! all you have to do is get on board.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 06, 2010, 05:44:03 PM
YAHAHOO! Star Fox no doubt! I love getting my unreasonably high. Star Fox for sure!
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 06, 2010, 06:11:25 PM
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I forgot to mention that Metroid: Other M is the cover of the issue this info came out of.

Oh!  Well then that really changes everything! :)
 
There is no reason it has to be first party.  It would be third party.  Lots of third party franchises that take place in outer space.  Though if that's the case you don't know what we'd get.  If it was like Gradius Party Bash WE would know it would be spin-off junk but NP probably wouldn't.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2010, 06:35:54 PM
You know, there's another Nintendo franchise besides those already mentioned that is noticeably absent from the Wii's lineup so far this generation. The franchise I am referring to is Donkey Kong. Of course, that doesn't fit in a space setting so it probably isn't that.

Another possibility might be (and I really hope this is true) Super Mario RPG 2. The original SM RPG involved a lot of space related junk, if I'm not mistaken with Smithy and the gang coming from outer space to invade the Mushroom Kingdom. It could be something like that.

Then again, it might not even be a Nintendo franchise at all. Maybe it is something to do with Star Wars, or even Star Trek. Could one of those franchises materialize into a Wii exclusive?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 06, 2010, 06:37:00 PM
I think it is Star Fox Wii.

There have been 3rd party games shown on the cover as far as these surprises go with Nintendo Power.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 06, 2010, 06:53:11 PM
I'll probably end up regretting this, but I'm climbing on board the HYPE TRAIN. Now I'll be disappointed if this game isn't a new EAD-developed Star Fox with 4 player online co-op with WiiSpeak and an expanded version of the multiplayer from Star Fox Assault.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2010, 06:54:23 PM
eh more like Lego Luke Skywalker Motion Plus.
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Post by: Adrock on May 06, 2010, 08:09:53 PM
I'm literally looking at an old Nintendo Power where, in the letters section, they're explaining one of their next months hints. It was a moon and the game they were alluding to was Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia. Kind of a stretch, right? Point being, I wouldn't put too much stake in the picture. That could literally be anything, any game that has a night sky.

I'm just going to flat-out say this: we're not going to see Star Fox this generation.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2010, 08:16:14 PM
Next Handheld generation gets revealed in a little over a month ;)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 06, 2010, 08:24:08 PM
The two likeliest outcomes are the unveiling of the 3DS launch Star Fox or the unveiling of a Motion+ Star Wars lightsaber game. What else is a big enough deal to be a cover story, knowing that Galaxy 2 will be out by then and that Other M was last month's cover?
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Post by: nickmitch on May 06, 2010, 08:25:27 PM
It's obviously Pokemon. I mean come on, guys. It's plain as day.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 06, 2010, 08:27:22 PM
I'm just going to flat-out say this: we're not going to see Star Fox this generation.

Maybe on console. We have had a handheld one this gen. Star Fox Command for DS.

insanolord, not to mention that it says the cover story will be new game, not one that the whole world already knows about. Same goes for Pokemon (at least Black/White, I suppose it could be a Pokemon game Nintendo hasn't announced yet).
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 06, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
I'm going to say it's going to be that Kirby game that's been in development for forever.

I mean seriously now, Nintendo's had the game listed on their yearly financial report since 2005.  Good God, either Nintendo is listening it as an inhouse joke or they're actually making some kind of progress.

Not to mention it would make sense since they need a big Wii game for Japan this year.  Unlike America and Europe, Kirby is way more popular then Zelda in Japan and so it'd be the best choice for their holiday flagship title over there.  Plus with the 4 player co-op in the game, they can easily market it to the NSMBW crowd that's dominating the system in Japan at the moment.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 06, 2010, 09:13:59 PM
I am going to go out on a limb and speculate that the game is actually Sonic Chronicles 2. The first game had a space theme to it and Sonic is a gaming hero. It has been nearly two years since the first game was released and we still have not heared anything about the sequel. I hope that I am right.
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Post by: Adrock on May 06, 2010, 10:46:15 PM
Maybe on console. We have had a handheld one this gen. Star Fox Command for DS.
/facepalm

lulz... I find it hilarious that you deem it necessary to display your Nintendo knowledge whenever possible. I would think, this being a Nintendo messageboard, that we are all privy to the existence of Star Fox Command. I suppose I naively assumed you could infer that I was specifically talking about a Wii installment since Star Fox has yet to grace the console and several posts prior to mine referred specifically to Star Fox on the Wii. Bravo, dude. /golf clap
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 07, 2010, 01:15:55 AM
If it does end up being Star Fox then lets hope and pray that the furries stay aboard their ships instead of disembarking for an adventure on the surface of some planet.
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Post by: broodwars on May 07, 2010, 01:20:14 AM
If it does end up being Star Fox, we'd better see some epic space battles this time instead of mediocre fighter combat with incredibly-cheap and lazy-looking "epic space battle" moving wallpaper in the background.  Yes, I'm looking at you, Assault!

And yes, vehicle combat only with ground combat only implemented if it can be done well (once again, I'm looking at you, Assault).
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 07, 2010, 04:02:32 AM
Duke Nukem Forever.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 07, 2010, 02:47:05 PM
The Color us surprised comment got me thinking of different coloring Pikmin.  Of course, Olimar is not a highly recognizable face.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 07, 2010, 04:39:29 PM
Ten bucks says it is this game:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/kingvudu/16627_mario_paintball.png)
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Post by: King of Twitch on May 07, 2010, 05:39:59 PM
No need for a comma after the word Multiplayer
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Post by: that Baby guy on May 07, 2010, 06:34:29 PM
Which character is the one who brings their own semi-automatic gun?  You know, the one that ruins the game for everyone else playing?
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Post by: Stratos on May 07, 2010, 11:10:17 PM
Probably Wario.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 07, 2010, 11:21:14 PM
Which character is the one who brings their own semi-automatic gun?  You know, the one that ruins the game for everyone else playing?

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/shyguy70/35nbwoh.gif)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 08, 2010, 01:15:12 AM
Which character is the one who brings their own semi-automatic gun?  You know, the one that ruins the game for everyone else playing?

Who knows, but they will in turn get trumped by the one who brings in a FULLY automatic gun.

But in all seriousness, one thing I've learned from games like Call Of Duty is that rate of fire isn't everything. You have to factor in things like accuracy, damage, recoil, ammo consumption, reload times, etc. You might feel like a big man to go spraying bullets around wildly like Rambo, but then you end up becoming an easy target for a sniper with a slow ass bolt-action rifle who then goes on to dominate the game.

So give me the character who has the slow bolt-action sniper paintball gun over the character with the automatic machine gun paintball gun any day,
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 08, 2010, 03:46:35 AM
My Tippman A-5 is semi-auto.  Who exactly was disadvantaged?  The guys who brought single-load Paintball Muskets?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 08, 2010, 11:46:03 AM
I wonder if there will be cannons that fire giant Bullet Bill paintballs.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 08, 2010, 01:24:11 PM
Ten bucks says it is this game:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/kingvudu/16627_mario_paintball.png)

This game is loooong overdue. Too bad Nintendo will never make it.
Although Miyamoto did say that he could have made Halo is he wanted too, but this would hardly be the same type of game, even if it could offer similar gameplay (minus the teabagging).

Imagine that game for a second. Every character has a secondary attack; like Mario would have red fireballs, Luigi would have green. Yoshi could get you with his tongue after shooting you and put you in an egg, which would delay your re-entry into the game. Kirby could suck you up after hitting you and assume your identity for a small set amount of time (looking like a kirby-fied you, which would be really handy during team battles.) and also use your secondary attack. Peach has an umbrella sheild. Bowser has goombas that get in your way, Donkey Kong has bananas. Wario has a fart cloud. etc. etc.

I think it could be fun.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 08, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
I'd be okay with an FPS multiplayer paintball game involving Nintendo characters.
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Post by: Stratos on May 08, 2010, 05:38:44 PM
It could easily become the next 'Mario Kart' type game. Nintendo and Mario always seem to be the founders of new party/multiplayer/crazy genre games like Kart and Smash Brothers.

I actually think it would be cool to make it include all Nintendo franchises instead of just being Mario based.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 08, 2010, 08:44:04 PM
No one could withstand Birdo's endless barrage of egg paint bombs.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 09, 2010, 12:33:45 PM
It could easily become the next 'Mario Kart' type game. Nintendo and Mario always seem to be the founders of new party/multiplayer/crazy genre games like Kart and Smash Brothers.

I actually think it would be cool to make it include all Nintendo franchises instead of just being Mario based.

I agree. Samus could shoot paintballs out of her arm cannon thing, and Link could have exploding paint bombs. Donkey Kong could have yellow paintballs shaped like bananas that he could set around the map and make other players slip on them if they step on them.
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 09, 2010, 01:42:29 PM
Like Water Warfare with Nintendo characters?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 02:10:34 PM
^^click link above to re-read^^ GIANT PREVIOUS POST ON THIS TOPIC in it's entirety
 
http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/ (http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/)
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We are creating a new pure component operating system named ES. This  project was started by Shiki Okasaka and Kyu Ueno at Nintendo largely  affected by Rob Pike's "Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf)" talk in  2000. Since 2008, this project has been hosted in Google Code under the  copyright of both Google and Nintendo in hope we can reach more people  worldwide.

Quote from: *2007
"We propose an extensible component operating system architecture in  which an operating system kernel uses reflection to process C++ pure  virtual function based system calls and upcalls to provide a unified  programming environment for application, server, and kernel development.  We found that we could even develop file subsystems and a TCP/IP  protocol stack on an existing operating system based on this  architecture."

So I watched some videos on Google's Chrome OS and I've come to the conclusion that Chrome OS is what's become of Nintendo's ES OS.

first watch the videos on Chrome OS:
What is Chrome OS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRO3gKj3qw&feature=channel
Chrome OS Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMrzw7JFzA&feature=channel
Chrome OS Security
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9WVmNfgjtQ&feature=channel
(there are more videos, but I haven't watched them yet)

Now read the description of what the ES OS is:
Quote from: link from previous post quoted above
We are creating a new pure component operating system named ES. This  project was started by Shiki Okasaka and Kyu Ueno at Nintendo largely  affected by Rob Pike's "Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf)" talk in  2000. Since 2008, this project has been hosted in Google Code under the  copyright of both Google and Nintendo in hope we can reach more people  worldwide.

As we realize ECMAScript (http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-262.htm)/Web based applications are becoming very  important and useful, ES operating system has been designed to make the  Web Apps APIs as the primary operating system interfaces, and to be an  extensible operating system by supporting the component technology from  the operating system kernel level as originally proposed for the future  direction by Noah Mendelsohn in "Operating Systems for Component Software Environments (http://www.arcanedomain.com/publications/HOTOS%20Final%20Version.pdf)"  in 1997.
 
In ES operating system every system API is defined in Web IDL (http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/), a new interface definition language used for defining APIs for Web Apps  including HTML5 (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/), Web GL (https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/doc/spec/WebGL-spec.html), and so forth. New APIs defined in Web IDL can be dynamically added to the system by loading the corresponding new software components running at the user level. With a better security model in the operating system, we should be able to bring better extensibility to the computers and devices connected to the Internet. For example, a web browser could be implemented as a seamless  composition of various software components from various companies, communities, and organizations. As the Web is becoming the new platform replacing the traditional operating systems, we believe we will need an  extensible operating system like we're studying with ES operating system. A unique part in ES operating system is we are using Web IDL to generate interfaces for C++ not only for ECMAScript and Java, and the software components written in C++ can be seamlessly controlled from  ECMAScript.

Now I'm not gonna pretend to understand what all that means, but the text just described what I just watched in those Chrome OS videos. So to me, that means that ES OS has now been shaped and formed into Chrome OS. Which also means that if this OS takes off, Nintendo is co-owner of the code and I see no reason as to why something like this (which boots up in mere seconds) can't be integrated into the core of the 3DS or at the very least the Wii2H3D.

Is anybody on the same page as me here?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on June 01, 2010, 02:17:13 PM
Are you saying a Wii 2 game could be started in mere seconds, and flip to a web browser in the same amount of time?

I'm on board.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on June 01, 2010, 02:48:53 PM
Are we now creating our own rumors?

I heard from the friend of a friend that Miyamoto plans to leave Nintendo this year and form his own independent studio.  They're develop multi-platform games (but the Wii will still be the lead platform).

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 03:07:00 PM
Are you saying a Wii 2 game could be started in mere seconds, and flip to a web browser in the same amount of time?

I'm on board.
Sure, why not.

I pause a game automatically because I switched to a web browser or to the WiiShop.
Sounds good to me.

But I also think that it would mean that the Wii2 would always be online and constantly give gaming feedback to Nintendo and make loading shops and updating your system seamless as it always always on, like the internet.

It would also protect against piracy by making sure that each game disc is authentic with an online check and you could do auto-registration of software just by inserting it in your system and clicking on register.

you could plug in peripherals(motion camera, wiispeak) and the corresponding channel would auto load and auto update(imagine new updates for Miis being added to the system regularly or on certain dates <like animal crossing>).

You would have a log-in with constant friends list where you could chat(text &/or voice) and keep track of what they're playing so you could join in or co-ordinate.

Moving forward, something like this has so much to add to the Wii experience.
The Wii was aiming to have the familiarity of TV for you gaming console with the channels,
the Wii2 could be like simplicity of TV with the instant access of the Internet for your gaming console.

It would show that while Nintendo appeared to be behind the times (Wii online) they were actually trying to get ahead of the curve (Touchscreen in the DS & a browser-like OS in ES/Chrome OS).


Are we now creating our own rumors?

I don't know if you're referring to me or not, but nope. Not creating a rumor, just speculating based on facts found on the internet. I've presented the tid-bits, and connected them myself with my own theories. You can either sign on, rewrite or dismiss.

It's a Red Pill | Blue Pill situation

I'm just playing connect the dots.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on June 01, 2010, 03:36:15 PM
^^click link above to re-read^^ GIANT PREVIOUS POST ON THIS TOPIC in it's entirety
 
http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/ (http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/)
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We are creating a new pure component operating system named ES. This  project was started by Shiki Okasaka and Kyu Ueno at Nintendo largely  affected by Rob Pike's "Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf)" talk in  2000. Since 2008, this project has been hosted in Google Code under the  copyright of both Google and Nintendo in hope we can reach more people  worldwide.

Quote from: *2007
"We propose an extensible component operating system architecture in  which an operating system kernel uses reflection to process C++ pure  virtual function based system calls and upcalls to provide a unified  programming environment for application, server, and kernel development.  We found that we could even develop file subsystems and a TCP/IP  protocol stack on an existing operating system based on this  architecture."

So I watched some videos on Google's Chrome OS and I've come to the conclusion that Chrome OS is what's become of Nintendo's ES OS.

first watch the videos on Chrome OS:
What is Chrome OS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRO3gKj3qw&feature=channel
Chrome OS Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMrzw7JFzA&feature=channel
Chrome OS Security
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9WVmNfgjtQ&feature=channel
(there are more videos, but I haven't watched them yet)

Now read the description of what the ES OS is:
Quote from: link from previous post quoted above
We are creating a new pure component operating system named ES. This  project was started by Shiki Okasaka and Kyu Ueno at Nintendo largely  affected by Rob Pike's "Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf)" talk in  2000. Since 2008, this project has been hosted in Google Code under the  copyright of both Google and Nintendo in hope we can reach more people  worldwide.

As we realize ECMAScript (http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-262.htm)/Web based applications are becoming very  important and useful, ES operating system has been designed to make the  Web Apps APIs as the primary operating system interfaces, and to be an  extensible operating system by supporting the component technology from  the operating system kernel level as originally proposed for the future  direction by Noah Mendelsohn in "Operating Systems for Component Software Environments (http://www.arcanedomain.com/publications/HOTOS%20Final%20Version.pdf)"  in 1997.
 
In ES operating system every system API is defined in Web IDL (http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/), a new interface definition language used for defining APIs for Web Apps  including HTML5 (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/), Web GL (https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/doc/spec/WebGL-spec.html), and so forth. New APIs defined in Web IDL can be dynamically added to the system by loading the corresponding new software components running at the user level. With a better security model in the operating system, we should be able to bring better extensibility to the computers and devices connected to the Internet. For example, a web browser could be implemented as a seamless  composition of various software components from various companies, communities, and organizations. As the Web is becoming the new platform replacing the traditional operating systems, we believe we will need an  extensible operating system like we're studying with ES operating system. A unique part in ES operating system is we are using Web IDL to generate interfaces for C++ not only for ECMAScript and Java, and the software components written in C++ can be seamlessly controlled from  ECMAScript.

Now I'm not gonna pretend to understand what all that means, but the text just described what I just watched in those Chrome OS videos. So to me, that means that ES OS has now been shaped and formed into Chrome OS. Which also means that if this OS takes off, Nintendo is co-owner of the code and I see no reason as to why something like this (which boots up in mere seconds) can't be integrated into the core of the 3DS or at the very least the Wii2H3D.

Is anybody on the same page as me here?

That just the same Cloud Computing rhetoric garbage that companies are using to try and find a way to continuously charge for apps you used to buy/download once and just use forever (word, media players, etc) by keeping them online only. It's meaningless PR. ES and Chrome OS are just hyped up Linux distros and aren't anymore related than Ubuntu is to OSX. ES only works with x86 processors so it appearing on the Wii or DS, current or future, is impossible. Chrome could run on the DS's ARM processor, but why the hell would you want a handheld that's tied to the nearest wireless router to work?

"Nintendo designed OS"

Oh god no! Nintendo's programmers should only be allowed to make games; it's all their good at.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 03:45:30 PM
That just the same Cloud Computing rhetoric garbage that companies are using to trying and find a way to continuously charge for apps you used to buy/download once and just use forever (word, media players, etc) by keeping them online only. It's meaningless PR. ES and Chrome OS are just a hyped up Linux distros and aren't anymore related than Ubuntu is to OSX. ES only works with x86 processors so it appearing on the Wii or DS, current or future, is impossible. Chrome could run on the DS's ARM processor, but why the hell would you want a handheld that's tied to the nearest wireless router to work?

Quote from: same original article linked to before
"The working theory" he continues, "seems to be that this OS might be the early stages of something similar to Microsoft's XNA -- basically a sandbox environment which offers hardware acceleration and a userland based on some form of VM execution, ECMAscript in this instance. Although the current build is against X86, it could be ported over to PPC to run on the Wii, for instance."

That article was written back in 2007

Chrome OS is scheduled to launch around this Nov (going by comments in the Google Video) which happens to be right around the rumored/speculated launch time of a certain new handheld.

So whatever was impossible to you didn't seem all that impossible to whoever wrote the article 3 years ago, and if Windows can run just fine on a Mac, then I don't see the problem with porting over an OS to a different structure in 3 years time.

and the videos were also from Nov. of last year too, that was 8 months ago.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on June 01, 2010, 04:16:44 PM
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Are you saying a Wii 2 game could be started in mere seconds

Wii 1 games can already be started in under 6 second. (If you kill the health screen)

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So whatever was impossible to you didn't seem all that impossible to whoever wrote the article 3 years ago, and if Windows can run just fine on a Mac, then I don't see the problem with porting over an OS to a different structure in 3 years time.

That because Apple jumped ship from PowerPC to x86/AMD64 processors. Window has always been on a x86/x86-64/(IA-64?) processors and never has been ported to anything else. Time spent by Nintendo moving it to another processor could be better used into make a good gamesystem OS that give it features a gamesystem needs instead of making a Nintendo PS3-2.0 with too much unrelated crap...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 04:32:42 PM
We already know that IF an OS like this gets used, it's not gonna be fully featured. It's only gonna initially allow what Nintendo wants it to allow; and a tab based shop channel sounds like a pretty good idea. a tab based Virtual console sounds like a good idea(system tabs), a home menu that overlays your channels sounds like a pretty good idea, and a (voice/text)chat that spans across all applications sound like a really good idea. being able to check my messages while in the middle of a game sounds like a good idea, taking screen caps of where I am in a game and sending it as a message(while still in the game) also sounds like a good idea.

And assuming that Nintendo were to use this OS, the time hasn't been spent by Nintendo, it's been spent by Google, which would explain why Nintendo didn't have much in pace for the Wii; they let Google, the company with more resources and expertise take on the task while Nintendo took a barebones approach in the meantime.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MaryJane on June 01, 2010, 08:53:33 PM
What if Nintendo, Google, and Nvidia are all teaming up to create an effective monopoly on the gadgets we buy. Nintendo would continue its rule in the video game market, Android and Chrome OS would be on anything with a CPU, and Nvidia powers every popular device with their Tegra/2/3/4/5 - depending on the device. Then cell phones would become obsolete because everyone would use VoIP on the 3DS and so 3/4/5G would only be used for data, killing the need for city-wide WiFi, and a lot of this three-headed beasts competition simultaneously.

I'm joking... but I like where BnM is going. Just looking at it objectively; with all the features Nintendo is packing into and adding onto its current systems the need for a more dedicated OS is quite apparent. So even if its not Chrome OS there will be something and considering what BnM posted it will very likely at least be based on what Nintendo and Google started together. Which is exciting, though I must likewise admit to not fully understanding it all, but what I do understand sounds promising. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2010, 02:01:57 AM
How would Chrome, a cloud based OS, benefit Nintendo? I'm serious. I just don't understand the benefits of cloud computing on a gaming console. I'm not trying to prove a point. I legitimately don't understand. Would this even work? Not everyone connects their consoles to the internet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2010, 02:31:05 AM
Game saves saved online. Log on and access your last save, your VC, WiiWare, messages & friend list from any machine.

Of course the OS would need to be reworked to support consoles that never make it online(as I'm sure it already saves locally too), but I'm sure Nintendo would have some sort of free WiiApp Download to entice you get online.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 02, 2010, 02:35:01 AM
Game saves saved online. Log on and access your last save, your VC, WiiWare, messages & friend list from any machine.

Of course the OS would need to be reworked to support consoles that never make it online, but with I'm sure Nintendo would have some sort of free WiiApp Download to entice you get online.

Could this OS handle Saturn emulation in any way?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 02, 2010, 01:19:17 PM
This isn't exactly a rumor; it's more speculation, but since BnM seems to be using this thread for that, I will too. I think the reason we haven't heard anything about Pikmin 3 since Miyamoto confirmed its existence 2 years ago is that it's a 3DS game. The rumored GC-level hardware would be capable of it, and touch controls seem well suited to the RTS gameplay of the series.

Personally, I'd prefer that it were a Wii game, but I'd much rather this be true than the other likeliest explanation for the game's complete absence: development troubles or outright cancellation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Peachylala on June 02, 2010, 01:38:48 PM
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Personally, I'd prefer that it were a Wii game, but I'd much rather this be true than the other likeliest explanation for the game's complete absence: development troubles or outright cancellation.
It's either, as Insanolord said, a 3DS game, or they have halted development... for Wii2/HD.
 
Didn't Miyamoto say that Pikmin would be better suited in HD graphics?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 02, 2010, 01:51:45 PM
Game saves saved online. Log on and access your last save, your VC, WiiWare, messages & friend list from any machine.

Of course the OS would need to be reworked to support consoles that never make it online, but with I'm sure Nintendo would have some sort of free WiiApp Download to entice you get online.

Could this OS handle Saturn emulation in any way?

Well, I'm sure Saturn emulation is their top priority.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2010, 02:01:56 PM
This isn't exactly a rumor; it's more speculation, but since BnM seems to be using this thread for that, I will too.

This thread is for all Nintendo related rumors, speculations, wishful thinkings & theories.

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I think the reason we haven't heard anything about Pikmin 3 since Miyamoto confirmed its existence 2 years ago is that it's a 3DS game. The rumored GC-level hardware would be capable of it, and touch controls seem well suited to the RTS gameplay of the series.

Personally, I'd prefer that it were a Wii game, but I'd much rather this be true than the other likeliest explanation for the game's complete absence: development troubles or outright cancellation.

Pikmin 3DS is the same thought I had (might have mentioned it in the 3DS thread already, but who cares). Miyamoto said it was well suited for high def, and for all we know 3DS could be capable of higher rez than the Wii and the touchscreen would do the game justice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TheBlackCat on June 02, 2010, 02:33:30 PM
Game saves saved online. Log on and access your last save, your VC, WiiWare, messages & friend list from any machine.

Of course the OS would need to be reworked to support consoles that never make it online(as I'm sure it already saves locally too), but I'm sure Nintendo would have some sort of free WiiApp Download to entice you get online.

The problem with this is how, exactly, do you log onto such a service?  Username and password?  That would take forever with a wii remote.  The only real option is to store it on the wii remote.  The problem is that I sincerely doubt that wii remote was designed for this, and there doesn't seem to be a way to upgrade wii remote firmware.  That would mean this would have to wait for Wii 2 or whatever.  However, if history is any indication the wii 2 will have an updated controller, and based on how the price of flash memory has dropped it will probably have about as much memory as the wii does now, so if you want to carry your stats around with you then it would be easier to just put it in the wii remotes instead.  So I just don't see this happening unless the wii remote has some secret, unused capabilities.  And if they did, why haven't they used them up until now, for instance for carrying your friend codes around with you? So far I have not heard of people being able to load arbitrary data into a wii remote's memory (which is what this would require), although I have not followed the wii remote hacking scene too closely. Edit: it looks like you can read and write arbitrary data from the wii remote's memory, and there are some sections that may be unused and/or hold unknown data not obviosuyl associated with Miis.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2010, 02:49:36 PM
^This service would be for a future console, not the current Wii.

This could be used for the 3DS and the Wii2H3D

Whats done for the Wii is done. there is no changing that. This is all pure speculation about what is next, not now.

Wii2 could have a wiimote with 512MB chips inside that could store character info/saves/Miis as a backup to the cloud save log-in system. Why would they do that? Because everyone isn't gonna have their system online right away, so you won't be able to log in. or it could be doe so that it stores your account log-in info to your remote and you just have to link it to a system and it automatically logs you in and gives you access to all your content, saves, and Mii's.

There are plenty of possibilities, but I don't wanna go too far into Wii2 speculation. It's too soon for that.


The main way that cloud computing could benefit Nintendo systems (console & handheld) is account log-in access to ALL of your content. Now if you upgrade you system, you don't have to call Nintendo to transfer your Wares/Locked Saves/Miis/etc etc.. it's all in your online account and all you have to do is log-in and attach you new system to your account and disconnect the old one.

Doing this could also curb most piracy, and stop most cheaters by authenticating software (in the background) whenever connected to the internet. I don't know if that is what Nintendo was looking to do, but it makes sense to me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 02, 2010, 04:00:37 PM
It is rumored that's Nintendo's showing of Wii software this year will be a massive disappointment, to match up with the status quo that 3rd Parties have set this generation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2010, 05:26:34 PM
Game saves saved online. Log on and access your last save, your VC, WiiWare, messages & friend list from any machine.

Of course the OS would need to be reworked to support consoles that never make it online(as I'm sure it already saves locally too), but I'm sure Nintendo would have some sort of free WiiApp Download to entice you get online.
But why then? If they're just going to have it work locally anyway, what's the point? I just don't understand the logistics. It seems unnecessary. Assuming the whole point of a cloud OS is to access your info from any console, wouldn't that be possible with WiiConnect24-esque service since your machine is connected to the internet all the time? VC and Wiiware games may not be ideal in that situation, but everything else would. On Xbox Live and PSN, you can access your account by just logging into whatever machine you're near. Not game saves as far as I know, but again, I would think with something like WiiConnect24, you could access anything on your own console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2010, 06:01:25 PM
WiiConnect24 I don't think actually keeps you "Connected" 24 hours a day otherwise things like Nintendo Channel, WiiShop & System updates wouldn't take so long to load and/or update.

also being able to log in and see your gamerscore and online friends list is quite different from also having access to all your game saves, downloaded content, custom characters, etc etc and this is whether or not your system is currently on or connected to the internet at the time.

now Imagine your system breaks and you gotta get a replacement(or Wii2 comes out and you upgrade to that). What if you want to keep playing all your old games and pick up from where you left off? If it's saved in the cloud, it wouldn't matter which system you're using since you could access all that stuff from any system @ anytime.
No need to worry about your VC/WiiWare games not being transferred because they are tied to your account and possibly streamed(or loaded only into RAM) to the system (on a friends machine), no need to worry about your Animal Crossing or Mario Kart or anyother game that has a locked save due to online access since it's actually saved online too (and synchronized with your machine) everytime you play.
Say you go to a friends house and he bust out Tiger Woods 2012 or Madden 2012 and challenges you to a game.... but you left your custom character/team at home. No worries, just log in and there they are, ready and waiting to be used.

This kind of access could also be a huge boost to VC/Wiiware sales. I could goto a friends house and boot up.... let's say Cave Story, and we play it for 30 minutes and have alot of fun, and now that we played it, my friend decides to buy(even though he never had any interest in it before hand) so he could play it after I left.

I just see so much potential in that tech that it being adopted for a home console would make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2010, 08:02:11 PM
WiiConnect24 I don't think actually keeps you "Connected" 24 hours a day otherwise things like Nintendo Channel, WiiShop & System updates wouldn't take so long to load and/or update.
There's no reason why the channels should take so long to load though I don't think that's WiiConnect24's problem. WiiConnect24 is a feature of Nintendo's online service (and I use that term lightly) where the Wii is connected even on standby. I feel like that feature could be optimized to allow the things you suggested. If all you need is "permission" from an account, I don't see the point of anything existing on the cloud for a gaming console. You could just redownload what you want temporarily on a friend's console while you're logged in or pull information from your console that's still connected even on standby. Virtual Console and WiiWare games aren't that large (Ocarina of Time is what, 32MB), neither are save states.

In this case, it seems like you're supporting a cloud OS because it exists, not because there are any immediate benefits.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2010, 11:17:32 PM
I just outlined the immediate benefits.

WC24 is not that capable otherwise I'm sure XboxLive and PSN would already be doing it.

Now you could redownload some things as they are attached to an account, but a cloud state would allow you to back up  everything seamlessly with out having to ask. Therefore everything you do on your console is accessable from any other console as soon as you log into it. Game saves, custom characters, home screen setup/channel arrangements, messages, save-states, etc etc.

Everything you do is saved/backed up on the server as soon as you do it. Now that gives me immediate access to all my stuff on my Wii2, on your Wii2 or anyone elses Wii2, and if set-up correctly, on my Wii3 and 4, 3DS, 4DS and whatever else Nintendo releases on the same architecture.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 03, 2010, 01:45:09 AM
No, I get what you're saying, but just about everything you've suggested is already possible without a cloud OS. Some of those things are unnecessary/extraneous. Home screen setup? Really?

To me, it just sounds like you're trying to justify your Nintendo initialized Google Chrome theory, which, no offense, is probably not true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on June 03, 2010, 01:47:40 AM
I want to start a rumor that Nintendo will use the 3DS to introduce it's "pay to play" online system which will roll into the Wii successor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on June 03, 2010, 03:30:06 AM
I don't recommend doing that.  :reggie:
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2010, 10:53:53 AM
No, I get what you're saying, but just about everything you've suggested is already possible without a cloud OS. Some of those things are unnecessary/extraneous. Home screen setup? Really?

To me, it just sounds like you're trying to justify your Nintendo initialized Google Chrome theory, which, no offense, is probably not true.

I'm just trying to give examples on how it could be used since you didn't see any benefits. And backing up all you info online w/o having to ask isn't possible with WC24/XBL/PSN because none of them are set up to do that.

You don't think it saving your home screen settings (like custom background or channel arrangement) makes sense now, until something happens to your system and you need to get it fixed or replaced, then it will automatically be setup just like it was before. No need to remember where you had this or that, it will all be right where you left it.

Now I'm not saying all of this is even likely to happen, but an OS born from the ES program, like Chrome OS appears to be, in theory sounds like a great way for Nintendo to pave new roads and lead the pack vs just doing something slightly more than they did with the Wii, which was horribly disconnected and not well planned out for the long-haul.

The only downside to this is that Nintendo would know immediately who was using Homebrew if they happened to be connected to the internet at the same time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 03, 2010, 01:42:55 PM
If Nintendo was able to kow who was using Hombrew and other pirated hardware they could specifically target them at no one else's expense. This adds even more credence to Nintendo adopting an OS like this because they want to battle pirates.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2010, 02:58:05 AM
I'm just trying to give examples on how it could be used since you didn't see any benefits. And backing up all you info online w/o having to ask isn't possible with WC24/XBL/PSN because none of them are set up to do that.
Not that there are zero benefits. Rather, I can't see any additional benefits over what can be done without the cloud. The cost for maintaining those servers is going to get passed to someone and it won't be Nintendo. The things you suggested could be as easy as bringing an SD card over a friend's house and logging into an account or by having the console be able to send data, requested by the account/console owner from a different location, while in standby mode... if Nintendo allowed it.

The only nifty thing you suggested was having access to your files should your console need to be fixed/replaced. First, my console shouldn't need to be fixed or replaced. It should work as intended unless tampered/broken by the user, which isn't Nintendo's problem anyway. Microsoft with their RROD BS has left many people weary, but Nintendo makes sturdy hardware. The DS hinge crack was the only problem I ever had and that didn't affect functionality, the OCD patient in me just cringed when I saw it. Second, for people who are really concerned and I imagine most aren't, save files can easily be backed up, downloads can be easily redownloaded/backed up and it's stupid that Nintendo didn't have the foresight to allow these things to happen on the Wii. Can they in the future? Yes, very easily and all without the cloud. See, I'm not trashing the cloud. I'm questioning the validity of its existence/purpose when alternatives already exist and have existed for quite some time. Is it a better solution? Like most things, that's debatable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2010, 03:28:32 AM
I see your point, but Nintendo is about keeping it simple and a cloud would pander to the lowest common denominator while also letting Nintendo do things that are out of the ordinary.

Having everything in a cloud also gives Nintendo immediate user feedback on what games are being played, how often are people saving, where are they saving, how often are they loading and all kinds of other useless to us user gameplay and machine usage statistics.
It would also be a good way to aide in the curbing of piracy since authenticity checks would happen as soon as you connect online for anything(because it would automatically back-up all your games and sync up all your data to the cloud database).

And honestly, I think one of the best things about it is being able to access you data from anywhere at anytime on any machine without having to have had planned ahead. I don't wanna back up all my stuff and carry it around on an SD card so I can load it at a friends house. What happens if I lose my SD card? What happens if I can't access my system since it's not in standby mode for some reason or someone else is using it?

There are probably dozens more reasons why cloud would be a good move, but if you're convinced that it wouldn't make a difference and what we have now with a few tweaks would serve the same purpose, then to each their own.

doing it in a cloud simplifies everything to the point of almost no user complication beyond logging in, which is something anyone familiar with a computer and online e-mail/social services is already familiar with.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on June 04, 2010, 06:25:52 PM
I see your point, but Nintendo is about keeping it simple...


How do you figure? 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2010, 06:41:01 PM
I see your point, but Nintendo is about keeping it simple...


How do you figure? 
note: by simple I meant easy to use and/or easy to understand.


Wiimote is made to look like a TV remote for a reason.
Wii Channels are designed to looks like tv's for a reason too.

GC controller had a central A button and color coded buttons for a reason.

In Nintendo's quest to simplify things they have made it difficult in other ways, but they have been about trying to keep it simple. The intent is there, the execution has been lacking in some places though.

Most recent example would be Friend codes. The intent was to keep people safe from other unwanted people and do that with a simple code... but they screwed that up real bad and made everything more difficult for everyone involved.

a more simple log in with a username attached friends list would have been the simpler way to go, but Nintendo has to try and find their own way most of the time and I'm hoping they realize that that is not always the best thing for them or their customers. You don't always need to reinvent the wheel just to say you reinvented it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 04, 2010, 06:51:29 PM
I'm just trying to give examples on how it could be used since you didn't see any benefits. And backing up all you info online w/o having to ask isn't possible with WC24/XBL/PSN because none of them are set up to do that.
Actually, rumors are suggesting that Sony's PSN Premium will have cloud storage of saved games.  So it sounds like PSN at least is capable of it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2010, 06:58:04 PM
^Well that would be great, and if it's true I hope it works so well that everyone copies it.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on June 04, 2010, 11:13:45 PM
I see your point, but Nintendo is about keeping it simple...


How do you figure? 
note: by simple I meant easy to use and/or easy to understand.


Wiimote is made to look like a TV remote for a reason.
Wii Channels are designed to looks like tv's for a reason too.

GC controller had a central A button and color coded buttons for a reason.

In Nintendo's quest to simplify things they have made it difficult in other ways, but they have been about trying to keep it simple. The intent is there, the execution has been lacking in some places though.

Most recent example would be Friend codes. The intent was to keep people safe from other unwanted people and do that with a simple code... but they screwed that up real bad and made everything more difficult for everyone involved.

a more simple log in with a username attached friends list would have been the simpler way to go, but Nintendo has to try and find their own way most of the time and I'm hoping they realize that that is not always the best thing for them or their customers. You don't always need to reinvent the wheel just to say you reinvented it.

I see.  By that definition, I think I agree with you.  Especially the part about occasionally goofing up big time!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: AV on June 05, 2010, 06:49:51 PM
Anybody remember the fate of the other GoldenEye game they tried to jam down our throats?

I'm having a small feeling of deja vu right now.


http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=125721  (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=125721)


apparently it will be shown at E3 2010 and have some pretty cool gold classic controller pro.


(http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/thumb_z2_1_2.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2010, 07:40:06 PM
Anybody remember the fate of the other GoldenEye game they tried to jam down our throats?

I'm having a small feeling of deja vu right now.


http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=125721  (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=125721)


apparently it will be shown at E3 2010 and have some pretty cool gold classic controller pro.


(http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/thumb_z2_1_2.jpg)

I don't know about the rumor, but the pic above is fake.

Not saying that there won't be one, but that is definitely not it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 05, 2010, 07:49:46 PM
I will be keeping a watchful eye on this remake of Golden Eye 007. You all know how I feel about Rare made titles on the wii. However, I would much prefer an upgraded wiiware rebirth title of the N64 game rather than a full on remake for the console.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 07, 2010, 02:12:11 PM
^Well that would be great, and if it's true I hope it works so well that everyone copies it.


It just feels like we are moving that way anyways.  With how complicated these systems are these days, it's very likely that the saves and such could easily get corrupted do to an unforseen error when loading a certain game.  If cloud storage existed, we would never have to worry about that and would not need a memory card to transport to and from friends' places.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 04:02:59 PM
I'll let you guys decide where this one fall on the BS Meter.

Nintendo to annouce Wii HiFi @ E3? (http://www.gameblog.fr/news_15992_e3-10-la-wii-hifi-serait-annoncee-a-l-e3)
Pachter Redeemed!?
Quote from: translated
(http://i45.tinypic.com/15frv4p.jpg)
This Tuesday,  June 15 at 9am (18h French time) at Nokia Theatre, that Nintendo (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.gameblog.fr/societe_185_nintendo&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhiRGnANIadvCPWp7y-pFU2bdMQPGQ)  will hold its conference of E3  2010 (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.gameblog.fr/dossier_159_e3-2010&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhiliYyZeqCabNlSLzSXtw2KDkHl0Q) . While many games should be  announced as the  next Zelda (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.gameblog.fr/jeu_4598_the-legend-of-zelda-next-nom-provisoire-wii&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhTaz20Yf3Vz5_d7IzP16xXqq38MQ) or The  Last Story (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.gameblog.fr/jeu_5842_the-last-story-wii&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhisveFDEQTPQlKjY3jE3eVvDpuWgg) (with the presence of Hironobu  Sakaguchi), many eyes will be riveted on the obvious new laptop:  Nintendo 3DS ... But beware, according to our information from developers, the  3DS should not be the only machine unveiled by Nintendo (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.gameblog.fr/societe_185_nintendo&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhiRGnANIadvCPWp7y-pFU2bdMQPGQ)  . It is  becoming increasingly clear that the manufacturer would conclude his  lecture by unveiling its next home console, named Wii is  currently code HiFi! We  learn in the aftermath the next home console from Big N would be  calibrated for release in November  2011.
  • She would have a power similar to that of an Xbox  360
  • It  should not be called "Wii 2", but Wii HiFi (in any case the code  name leaked)
  • It would  be very oriented online
  • One of the  main features is the community
  • It would be released in November 2011 
Nonetheless,  there remains many unanswered questions. This code name will be there  final?  How will she presented or  discussed? The console will she physically present on stage? Will it be a video? Just a few sentences? Answer Tuesday! The  conference will obviously follow live on Gameblog ...
a more englishy translation perhaps:
Quote from: NeoGAF
(http://download.gameblog.fr/images/news/WiiHiFi_MAV_01.jpg)
  The journalist from gameblog.fr are on a leash recently. After implying   that they already saw Metal Gear Solid Rising running at Kojima   productions, and leaking Mizuguchi's next game code name (Child of   Eden), they are now affirming that Nintendo's next console will be   called Wii HiFi. According to what game developers told them, it will be   announced at the right end of Nintendo's E3 conference, and it is   planned to release around November 2011. Here are the details that have   leaked so far:
  • It should be on par with the 360
  • It should   not be called Wii 2 but Wii HiFi
  • It will be very   online-oriented this time
  • Community aspects will be a big   component
  • It should be out around November 2011
  They don't know how much Nintendo will be showing at E3 though: just the   name? Maybe the design? The controller?

What if this is confusion and is really details about the 3DS.
-Closer to on par visually with a 360 than a DS
-Very Online Oriented (reworked Online with help of google maybe?)
-Community Aspects (AnimalCrossing/FriendCollection integrated GUI)
-Out by Nov. 2010 and not 2011

It is common for these things to get taken out of context and only after all is revealed you realize that some parts of a bogus rumor were actually truth of something else. Only then do you realize that wires were crossed and signals were mixed.

But like the rumor says, Tuesday is when we'll know for sure.


edit: I would like to add that while I know the Nintendo service reps usually don't know more than we do, and in lots of cases, less than we do, the service rep I talked to yesterday suggested that I might want to wait until after E3 to see what Nintendo has in store for their Online Service.
I didn't think anything of it then while in context, but thinking about it afterwards, I wonder if she knew something I didn't.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on June 11, 2010, 04:27:51 PM
Coool.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 11, 2010, 05:54:01 PM
You're a gullible bastard if you believe this.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on June 11, 2010, 05:55:16 PM
Guilty, as charged.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 11, 2010, 06:08:36 PM
Well, I didn't mean you specifically.

It's a silly rumor and a bad one at that. Honestly, I don't think Nintendo would unveil 2 brand new pieces of hardware at the same show while still also trying to show off offerings of their current hardware. I suspect this show for Nintendo will be 50% 3DS, 25% Zelda, and 25% everything else.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 11, 2010, 06:10:45 PM
It does make me excited, I just don't believe it. Regardless I love to read about all these leaks and rumors.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 11, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
Psst. I got a hot tip, don't tell anyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX2smM87r14
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2010, 06:45:52 PM
One of the clever details of the "Wii Hi-Fi" is that it will have visuals on par with an Xbox 360.  See a typical false rumour usually caters to fanboy dreams so the natural tendency would be to say the Wii successor would be more powerful than the current consoles.  But matching the weaker of the two HD consoles with a console released YEARS later?  That is so up Nintendo's alley.  It's so lame that's it's incredibly believable.  "Hi-Fi" is also a clever name since it doesn't follow coventional naming and it has never been used before in any other rumours.  A lesser bullshitter would have gone for the obvious Wii HD name, which Nintendo would NEVER use.

For those pointing out that Nintendo's isn't going to release a new portable and console so close together what about the Gamecube and GBA?  They both came out in 2001 and were revealed around the same time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 11, 2010, 06:50:51 PM
I've been waiting for High Fidelity to make a comeback.  Nintendo is going to forgo Wirelese Fidelity and return to the roots of hte 80s with HiFi.  I love it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on June 11, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
Psst. I got a hot tip, don't tell anyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX2smM87r14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX2smM87r14)

I never believed that. It's quite ridiculous really. If it tracked all of your movement for the game then you would run out of room really fast to run and jump around.

One of the clever details of the "Wii Hi-Fi" is that it will have visuals on par with an Xbox 360.  See a typical false rumour usually caters to fanboy dreams so the natural tendency would be to say the Wii successor would be more powerful than the current consoles.  But matching the weaker of the two HD consoles with a console released YEARS later?  That is so up Nintendo's alley.  It's so lame that's it's incredibly believable.  "Hi-Fi" is also a clever name since it doesn't follow coventional naming and it has never been used before in any other rumours.  A lesser bullshitter would have gone for the obvious Wii HD name, which Nintendo would NEVER use.

For those pointing out that Nintendo's isn't going to release a new portable and console so close together what about the Gamecube and GBA?  They both came out in 2001 and were revealed around the same time.

It would be quite an epic surprise, wouldn't it? Nintendo allows leaks of 3DS so everyone if focused and expecting only that. Then they one-two punch you with the new console. You think the press conference is over when they dim the lights again and surprise us with it's reveal.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
Also how long before Wii was release was Revolution announced?

It was about 18 months right? Announced E3 2005(May) with a release in Holiday 2006(Nov).
If this were to follow the same time table, that would put it's release at Xmas time 2011.

It would also guarantee that Sony & MS are gonna be drowned out of the news during E3 as everyone scrambled to know more and give impressions about 3DS & Wii2.
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Post by: UncleBob on June 11, 2010, 08:40:26 PM
>>hype train image.jpg<<
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 11, 2010, 08:44:32 PM
The chances of Nintendo announcing Wii 2 this year are slim to none, they have no reason to even think about releasing the next console anytime soon. With Nintendo changing their tactics, I wouldn't expect Nintendo to announce Wii 2 until it's less than a year away.

Besides, it's already expected that 3DS will be the biggest thing at E3 (at least according to publishers who have seen it). Polls show that fewer than 10% of PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 owners plan to even get PlayStation Move/Project Natal.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 11, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
I think they will probaby say something like "Our next console is coming, code named the Insurrection, in 2011" and that's it. When they first mentioned the Revolution in 2005 they told us nothing at all. They didn't show the controller until 5 months later and no game until the next E3.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 11, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
Nintendo spaced out the DS and Wii with two years, and I'd imagine they are going to have at least that same gap for the 3DS and the Wii successor. If they reveal a new system, it will be at next year's E3 (and I still think that's a huge "if").

Nintendo may have released the GameCube and GBA in the same year, but back then, they needed a successful product as soon as possible. With how successful Wii is, they've got plenty of time to wait.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 10:56:06 PM
Now we're not talking about a reveal, we're talking an announcement.

Just acknowledgement that it is on it's way and to desperately seek out more information while we feed you scraps through the rumor mill over the next 12 months till we actually reveal it at E3 2011.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on June 12, 2010, 12:02:32 AM
As a rule, I trust .fr websites about as far as I can throw them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 12, 2010, 11:35:22 AM
For those pointing out that Nintendo's isn't going to release a new portable and console so close together what about the Gamecube and GBA?  They both came out in 2001 and were revealed around the same time.
It would be quite an epic surprise, wouldn't it? Nintendo allows leaks of 3DS so everyone if focused and expecting only that. Then they one-two punch you with the new console. You think the press conference is over when they dim the lights again and surprise us with it's reveal.
The difference is that the Wii is still selling well. N64 was not. I still expect the successor of the Wii to launch November 2011, but I don't think this E3 is when they'll unveil it. They could easily unveil it E3 2011 and launch by November. I'm pretty sure that's what they did with DS. If I remember correctly, it was announced January 2004, the prototype was unveiled and playable in May, then they launched in November. There's really no rush. Nintendo is enjoying brisk sales of their current hardware, something that hasn't happened in 3 generations. It's kind of depressing to think it's been that long and we're this old.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on June 12, 2010, 11:39:08 AM
Wii HD and a Wii (hifi) with the power of an 360 are the same thing. Never happen.

I think they will probaby say something like "Our next console is coming, code named the Insurrection, in 2011" and that's it. When they first mentioned the Revolution in 2005 they told us nothing at all. They didn't show the controller until 5 months later and no game until the next E3.

But in 2005 the GC was more or less dead and a lost. Nintendo wanted to give their investors a reason not to sell their stocks with hope. The Wii on the other hand is in a completely different situation from those dark times.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
Anyone wanna speculate on the possibility of Wii2H3D  aka WiiHD aka Wii Hi Fi (or Wii HyFy :P) having holographic storage?

This video is from 2 years ago next month. I'm sure they could have shrunken the tech down to something much smaller 3 years later (2011)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMoxb79FxQk
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 12, 2010, 01:50:44 PM
Not going to happen, based on that video. Wouldn't that negate backwards compatibility? I remember suggesting that 3DS would be fine without backwards compatibility and everyone jumped down my throat after they were finished rubbing one off thinking about backwards compatibility.

It'd make more sense for Nintendo to go with Blu-Ray. You can argue that they'd be giving money to Sony, but the pros outweigh the cons. They have partners on the Blu-Ray Disc Association (Panasonic and Sharp). Nintendo should include DVD/Blu-Ray playback in their next console if only for Netflix.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 12, 2010, 01:57:11 PM
If anything, Nintendo would make their own propriety disc format based on Blu-ray Disc (like they did with the Wii, it's the same storage size as a DVD but they don't have to pay royalties to the DVD Forum).

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 01:59:14 PM
Just because the video showed a cartridge 2 year ago doesn't mean it would still use one by next year.

And if Nintendo were to use that tech, we all know it would be the same model as InPhase would be selling to customers, it would be highly proprietary for the Wii2.
Don't forget that they have patented similar tech for use in the 3DS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30917.msg614750#msg614750)

If anything, Nintendo would make their own propriety disc format based on Blu-ray Disc (like they did with the Wii, it's the same storage size as a DVD but they don't have to pay royalties to the DVD Forum).

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.

I highly doubt Nintendo would support a competitors format. They are heavily invested in Holographic tech and would not use a BluRay drive when they could use a Holographic one in stead(which may even be backwards compatible depending on the lasers used).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 12, 2010, 02:37:23 PM
What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.
Part of Netflix's rental program is that they send out these round, shiny plates at the subscriber's request called DVDs and Blu-Ray Discs that... wait for it... play movies! Incredible, right? Welcome to 2010, indeed! Glad to be of help. Thank me later.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 12, 2010, 03:42:11 PM
November 2011 would be the best time for the Wii's successor to come out. Even if this is just some bullshit rumor that is probably the time Nintendo will release the successor. But they may use a different name than "HiFi".

Ideally, the Wii's successor should leapfrog over the competition with a system which is more powerful than the PS3 or 360. Having a system that is "on par" with them won't cut it when the PS4 and 720 get released in the not so distant future. At the very least, the system should be 1.5 times more powerful than the competition. That way when the competition releases a system that's 2x as powerful then Nintendo won't be too far behind.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 12, 2010, 03:46:08 PM
If anything, Nintendo would make their own propriety disc format based on Blu-ray Disc (like they did with the Wii, it's the same storage size as a DVD but they don't have to pay royalties to the DVD Forum).

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.

Copyright infringement seems to be a big deal to Nintendo. That's why it would actually make sense if they dusted off the now dead HD-DVD format and went with that, if that's actually possible. HD-DVD drives and burners are now forgotten relics and extremely rare, so it would be extremely difficult for someone to make copies of games made on that format.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 03:50:40 PM
If you think about it Hi Fi is what my VCR said back in 1993.

I would prefer Wii HDii® over Hi Fi (HyFy) as it just sounds so much better and even captured another mass marketing buzz word right in the title with a little "Cuteness" for the casuals and soccer moms.

If anything, Nintendo would make their own propriety disc format based on Blu-ray Disc (like they did with the Wii, it's the same storage size as a DVD but they don't have to pay royalties to the DVD Forum).

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.

Copyright infringement seems to be a big deal to Nintendo. That's why it would actually make sense if they dusted off the now dead HD-DVD format and went with that, if that's actually possible. HD-DVD drives and burners are now forgotten relics and extremely rare, so it would be extremely difficult for someone to make copies of games made on that format.

Burners exist for the HDDVD format and it wouldn't be hard for someone to start making them again. It would be infinitely better for Nintendo to use a format that they for the most part own(InPhase/Nintendo Holograph Tech) and there is no way to even make copies of without million dollar equipment that they won't sell to just anybody.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2010, 03:52:39 PM
I've been saying Microsoft should use HD-DVD next time around for a while now; if Nintendo isn't going to go with their holographic stuff it makes sense for them too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 12, 2010, 03:57:44 PM
What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.
Part of Netflix's rental program is that they send out these round, shiny plates at the subscriber's request called DVDs and Blu-Ray Discs that... wait for it... play movies! Incredible, right? Welcome to 2010, indeed! Glad to be of help. Thank me later.
I think what TJ Spyke was saying was that you don't need DVD playback for Netflix because of streaming. Though not all movies and shows are available on the streaming service, so you still need to get the DVDs, mostly for new releases.

Ideally, the Wii's successor should leapfrog over the competition with a system which is more powerful than the PS3 or 360.
As Wii has shown, at this point in technology, the average consumer doesn't really care about graphics or technical specs. At best, the next system will be on par with the XBox 360, but I have a feeling it will be slightly under it. The important thing is that Nintendo create something which allows for more gameplay possibilities like they have with Wii, it needs something special to attract consumers. Simply upping the specs and/or adding HD doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 04:09:16 PM
I've been saying Microsoft should use HD-DVD next time around for a while now; if Nintendo isn't going to go with their holographic stuff it makes sense for them too.

I think it makes sense for MS to use it(a proprietary version) strictly for their games, because I don't see them supporting Bluray. But I would bet that MS would rather use Nintendo's holo tech before they went with outdated HD DVD as their format of choice.

Nintendo's Holo tech (should they have it ready for the next round) would be Affordable and Secure otherwise they wouldn't be using it. MS might want to double down on that with Nintendo and push for market acceptance there before it just handed the market to Sony without so much as a fight.

Bluray doesn't own the HD market yet and I don't think it's too late for HVD (of some sort) to get in on the action.

Ideally, the Wii's successor should leapfrog over the competition with a system which is more powerful than the PS3 or 360.
As Wii has shown, at this point in technology, the average consumer doesn't really care about graphics or technical specs. At best, the next system will be on par with the XBox 360, but I have a feeling it will be slightly under it. The important thing is that Nintendo create something which allows for more gameplay possibilities like they have with Wii, it needs something special to attract consumers. Simply upping the specs and/or adding HD doesn't cut it.

I think the Wii2 should aim for 1.5x the Theoretical max of PS3. That should be a significant enough boost going into the next gen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 12, 2010, 04:18:57 PM
But I would bet that MS would rather use Nintendo's holo tech before they went with outdated HD DVD as their format of choice.

HD-DVD isn't outdated. It lost the format wars, but its on par with Blu-ray in terms of storage capacity and whatnot. Maybe because of it being a dead technology someone like Microsoft could just buy it outright and then revive it for their own proprietary ends (like video gaming formats). Phillips owns HD-DVD still, right? Microsoft could just go up to them with a few millions of dollars and say here, we'll take that dead format off your hands and we'll do something with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 04:23:23 PM
Bluray far out paces HDDVD in storage capacity.

I think HDDVD capped out at 4 layers 50GB before it died and Bluray I think they got upto 4 layer 100+GB last I checked.

HVD is single layer 100-200+GB.
It just wasn't ready for consumer consumption 4-5 years ago.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2010, 04:39:11 PM
100 GB is ridiculously overkill for a game. Most PS3 games don't come anywhere close to filling a 50 gig Bluray disc, and the ones that do only get there because they have way too many cinematics or have data on there multiple times to cut down on loading. Bluray is 25 GB per layer; HD-DVD is 15. Even at only 2 layers, the difference in capacity is pretty much  meaningless for games. Remember, the 360 only uses 9 GB DVDs and it's very rare for a game to need more than that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 04:55:04 PM
But I'm talking about for more than just games and a single layer Bluray @ 25GB vs a dual HD DVD @ 30GB might not seem like much difference now, but when you do need more space and have to add more layers, HDDVD starts to become problematic way sooner than BRD.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 12, 2010, 05:04:07 PM
Bluray far out paces HDDVD in storage capacity.

I think HDDVD capped out at 4 layers 50GB before it died and Bluray I think they got upto 4 layer 100+GB last I checked.

That may be so, but for the purpose of video gaming all that massive space isn't really needed. The 360 and Wii use DVD media and very very rarely do games take up so much space that they need to be on 2 or more discs. So if current games can get by on 9gb DVDs then why would the next generation of consoles have a problem with 50gb HD-DVDs? If it were absolutely necessary games could be split over onto multiple discs, but with 50gb of capacity I can't see that being something that would happen very often (if ever).

So maybe bluray does offer more space, but is all that space ever fully used or needed? I doubt it. Thanks to improvements in compression and so on maybe even regular DVDs would be adequate for the next consoles. But HDDVD offers the benefit of being a more obscure format which is more difficult to pirate.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2010, 05:50:25 PM
HD-DVD will run into issues with space before Blu-Ray will, but neither of them will run into those issues before the end of the next generation of hardware.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 12, 2010, 07:38:14 PM
HD-DVD will run into issues with space before Blu-Ray will, but neither of them will run into those issues before the end of the next generation of hardware.

Probably not even in the generation after that either. Until we get to the point where gaming consists of holodeck simulations we're probably good with 50gb for games.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 07:53:59 PM
I didn't want to get back into BRD vs HDDVD discussion, but where I was trying to go was Nintendo could have some sort of hybrid drive that accepts mini HVD(GC sized disc) and sill have as much space as a BRD since the HVD tech was DVD BC.

I really doubt Nintendo would ever support BRD even if it was decided the format war winner as long as Sony is in the console business.
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Post by: Adrock on June 13, 2010, 12:18:38 AM
What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.
Part of Netflix's rental program is that they send out these round, shiny plates at the subscriber's request called DVDs and Blu-Ray Discs that... wait for it... play movies! Incredible, right? Welcome to 2010, indeed! Glad to be of help. Thank me later.
I think what TJ Spyke was saying was that you don't need DVD playback for Netflix because of streaming. Though not all movies and shows are available on the streaming service, so you still need to get the DVDs, mostly for new releases.
Yeah, I know what he meant. He just happens to be the most arrogant person on these boards so I couldn't resist the urge to respond sarcastically given the ridiculous response he gave me. And, more to the point, I disagree. Netflix streaming leaves a lot of be desired. The entirety of Netflix is an awesome program and the Wii only sees half of it. Nintendo is more likely to have Panasonic create a proprietary Blu-Ray based media strictly for games. I just think it's worth including DVD/Blu-Ray playback in order to support Netflix to its fullest extent.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on June 13, 2010, 06:33:34 AM
Well here's a nice rumor to get us ready for E3.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/109/1096857p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/109/1096857p1.html)

Kind of mixed on how I'd feel if this is true.  On the one hand, I would have liked for Retro to be allowed to do a new IP.  On the other though it means Nintendo is serious about making Donkey Kong a top tier series again.  Even though Jungle Beat is my favorite Donkey Kong game, because of it's sales I doubt Nintendo will allow Tokyo EAD to ever make another one.

So if we're not going to get another Donkey Kong from Tokyo EAD, at least we're getting one from another one of Nintendo's top studies like Retro and not one of their bottom ones like Paon who made the craptacular Barrel Blast.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 13, 2010, 01:56:55 PM
Great, this means we're going to see 10 years of nothing but Donkey Kong Prime FPS games from Retro...
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Post by: Shaymin on June 13, 2010, 04:10:42 PM
I'll wait to pick up the Kong Prime Trilogy in 2019
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Post by: Mannypon on June 13, 2010, 11:33:34 PM
Word is that this has been in the works since 06.  If that's true, that means this must be from a separate team within Retro.  One team which has been working on the Prime series exclusively and this one secretly working on the DK game.  If there are in fact 2 teams, what has the Prime team been working on? 
 
Could we possibly be seeing a reveal of 2 Retro games?  This DK Wii game and a possible 3DS launch title?  Metroid Dread anyone? lol ( I wish)
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Post by: Caterkiller on June 13, 2010, 11:42:12 PM
WAHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know I shouldn't get so excited!!!! But I truely believe this one! And not like the time I truely believed the outer space pic in Nintendo Power was star fox!
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Post by: Mop it up on June 14, 2010, 12:22:52 AM
Retro's good at creating exploration games, some kind of Donkey Kong adventure game from them could be interesting.
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Post by: Caterkiller on June 14, 2010, 03:50:23 PM
I'd love for there to be big emphasis on swinging and being agile through the tree's and obsticles. Kind of like Jungle beats don't stop til you drop combo system.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 14, 2010, 04:07:43 PM
Mario's input:

Banana Visor (LOL) -- DK wears banana peel on his head

Coconut Visor (LOL) -- DK wears half a coconut on his head
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Post by: Caliban on June 14, 2010, 10:49:13 PM
Zelda rumor

http://www.eurogamer.pt/articles/rumores-sobre-o-novo-zelda-wii

It's in Portuguese.

This rumor comes from people close to the tranlation of the demo for the presentation.
It's says that the new Zelda, without a subtitle, is going to tell the story of the origin of the Master Sword.
It happens hundreds of years before Ocarina of Time.
There's a fairy called Zordania.
The classic item, the Hook Shot, is back. It's used for action, and for moving alog int the environments.
You will use your sword to draw patterns on elements such as doors to interact with.
The bow and arrow will have the same mechanics as the ones for Wii Sports resort.
The demo that will be shown is in a snowy/frozen environment. They're not sure if it is a dungeon, but they say the demo will show how subtil it is to go through exterior and interiors. I guess virtually no load times.
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Post by: MysticGohan on June 15, 2010, 12:39:01 AM
I'm not sure about that, sounds too easy to guess. Zordania? can't say I'd buy it just yet... Information just seems to like randomly throwing dots and guessing.

Tuesday can't come soon enough!
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Post by: Stratos on June 15, 2010, 04:15:07 AM
But...I thought the origin of the Master Sword was explained in Minish Cap?
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Post by: MysticGohan on June 15, 2010, 08:05:23 AM
Who knows, everything get retconned these days, so expect the unexpected.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 15, 2010, 11:41:33 AM
Zelda humor

It sucks
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 15, 2010, 03:28:09 PM
Pro got banned? Temp or permanent? And for what?
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Post by: stevey on June 15, 2010, 03:32:29 PM
It's all apart of the mod's final solution and the bringing forth of the 4th reich
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/n64/NWRsFINALSOLUTION.png)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 15, 2010, 04:20:00 PM
But...I thought the origin of the Master Sword was explained in Minish Cap?

Each Zelda game exists in a parallel universe from the other Zelda games, so an explanation of the origin of something in one parallel universe doesn't explain its origin in any of the others.
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Post by: MysticGohan on June 15, 2010, 04:44:51 PM
lol@Stevey How'd that go by?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 15, 2010, 04:57:26 PM
But...I thought the origin of the Master Sword was explained in Minish Cap?

Each Zelda game exists in a parallel universe from the other Zelda games, so an explanation of the origin of something in one parallel universe doesn't explain its origin in any of the others.

Sigh, no.
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Post by: bustin98 on June 15, 2010, 04:59:22 PM
Pro deserved to get temp banned for spamming the Nintendo Conference thread. Him and the Hulk. Every board is not the Funhouse.
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Post by: SixthAngel on June 16, 2010, 12:37:53 AM
Pro deserved to get temp banned for spamming the Nintendo Conference thread. Him and the Hulk. Every board is not the Funhouse.

Second.
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Post by: Stratos on June 16, 2010, 05:42:59 AM
I'm still not sure what happened there. Is Hulk a dupe or did they just decide to be goof balls?
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 16, 2010, 06:00:27 AM
I think Hulk was Rabicle.
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Post by: Dasmos on June 16, 2010, 11:18:27 AM
Na.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 16, 2010, 06:26:24 PM
Whoever he was, they made me leave the boards and go to the chat during the press conference.  I'm glad they got their temp ban.  While I enjoy Pro's non-invasive trolling, that was blatant and very intrusive.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 03:13:33 PM
So what do we think about the next Nintendo console possibly including 3D capability (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31661)? Ian calls Nintendo hypocrites for it.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 17, 2010, 05:49:54 PM
So what do we think about the next Nintendo console possibly including 3D capability (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31661)? Ian calls Nintendo hypocrites for it.


I think we should just keep the discussion to the talkback thread before Ian comes in here and rewords his post :P

I just read the news elsewhere a few mins ago and came here to post it, but I guess NWR beat me to it (GOOD FOR YOU!). I don't know why Ians blowing a gasket, if Nintendo wanted to they'd release the next system with full 3D capabilities even if the adoption rate was low since they'd most likey include an option to TURN IT OFF like they do in the 3DS. Sure maybe it won't be a physical slider on the console itself and probably in a menu.

We already know the Wii Successor is going to be HD, and if Nintendo does decide to go ahead and make a 3D system they will. Those crazy enough to run out and buy a 3D tv just to play it on can spend their money, the rest of us will be happy just playing it on our "old" HDTV [or in my case, standard def haha]. I can really see them just having the Wii Successor ask you at the initial boot-up if you have a 3D television (or possibly even autodetect it, i dunno how this **** works) so that those without 3DTV don't get attacked by a ugly homescreen. That'd be the easiest way to go about it, but they could also just have it boot up in non-3D and have some sort of switch on the Home screen. I picture something akin to the current Wii's homescreen with a big fat button towards the bottom that says "3D" in big bold letters with a small "enable" right above it just so that the less informed consumers don't miss it because they never go into the Wii Settings. You know some rich spoiled brat is gonna see the big 3D button, wonder why it won't work and beg his parents to go out and spend the money on one and they will.

The only other option is if Nintendo started manufacturing their own tv's that'd display 3D without glasses however the hell the 3DS does it.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 06:00:49 PM
The only other option is if Nintendo started manufacturing their own tv's that'd display 3D without glasses however the hell the 3DS does it.
But with the tech so new and only being manufactured in sizes akin to the 3DS right now, it'll be awhile before they'd even have the option of manufacturing their own glasses-free tvs.  Plus this tech is made more for personal use rather than with multiple people.  Getting it working with multiple people is going to have to be something else.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 17, 2010, 07:51:57 PM
The only other option is if Nintendo started manufacturing their own tv's that'd display 3D without glasses however the hell the 3DS does it.
But with the tech so new and only being manufactured in sizes akin to the 3DS right now, it'll be awhile before they'd even have the option of manufacturing their own glasses-free tvs.  Plus this tech is made more for personal use rather than with multiple people.  Getting it working with multiple people is going to have to be something else.

I wasn't serious about that. I should've added "but that'll never happen," sorry.

Even if the tech was cheap enough to produce on a bigger scale and the image be produced from various viewing angles for on-lookers, I would never wan't Nintendo spending the time or money on making Tv's unless their future game plan is to release a specialty TV that displays in 3DHD and comes with an upgradable console built in.

"but that'll never happen" :P
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2010, 09:36:08 PM
So what do we think about the next Nintendo console possibly including 3D capability (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31661)? Ian calls Nintendo hypocrites for it.


Well, considering that the GC and the Wii are 3D capable already, I don't see why they wouldn't.
It may look like garage on the GC & Wii due to resolution output or whatever, but it's technically built into the system already, so it seems like a no brainer since the system should be beyond powerful enough.
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Post by: Adrock on June 18, 2010, 01:52:59 AM
I, honestly, think Nintendo's next console is going to be a beast. Nintendo was understandably conservative this generation. They've been making money on each unit sold from day one. They were in last place and did what they needed to do to keep profits up. With renewed brand trust and consumer confidence, Nintendo should be going after 3rd party support. 3rd parties have made it clear that they want a more powerful console, something that will stay competitive for an entire generation. Gameplay is first, but graphics sell games since it's the first thing people see. Casual gamers may not care, but everyone else does. I think Nintendo understands that and to appeal to everyone, this is the next step. I mean, they'll never launch a $400 console, but $300 may not be a stretch. So, I think we'll see something far more powerful than PS3/360 from Nintendo next generation.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 18, 2010, 02:24:53 AM
I, honestly, think Nintendo's next console is going to be a beast. Nintendo was understandably conservative this generation. They've been making money on each unit sold from day one. They were in last place and did what they needed to do to keep profits up. With renewed brand trust and consumer confidence, Nintendo should be going after 3rd party support. 3rd parties have made it clear that they want a more powerful console, something that will stay competitive for an entire generation. Gameplay is first, but graphics sell games since it's the first thing people see. Casual gamers may not care, but everyone else does. I think Nintendo understands that and to appeal to everyone, this is the next step. I mean, they'll never launch a $400 console, but $300 may not be a stretch. So, I think we'll see something far more powerful than PS3/360 from Nintendo next generation.

This is what I've been saying from the start.  A Wii 2 will fail.  It's as simple as that.  They need to catch Sony and Microsoft completely off guard and reveal a monster of a system.  Of course, don't go crazy *cough*ps3*cough*.  And give it a traditional controller.  Make it Wiimote compatible sure, but don't focus on it entirely.  The casuals have their console.  Their is no need to give them a new one.  Not yet. 

As you said, they have the prominence to make a difference now.  They aren't the underdog anymore.  They won't be ignored like they would have been in the 64, GC era.  They have the cash, the prominence and most importantly the ability to really attack the "core" market. 

The 3DS appears to be a step in the right direction.  It appears to have a V8 under the bonnet, and produces graphics accordingly.  They need to do this again for the console. 
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 18, 2010, 02:48:48 AM
3DS & Wii have revived (mostly 3DS though) has revived alot of old properties at this years E3.

So can someone tell me who is Mr. Andonuts and why does he have an office at E3? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXyaDOBwlA
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 18, 2010, 03:12:57 AM
You guys are crazy to think Nintendo won't follow the path set by Wii.  You're basically asking them to do what Sony did this gen: release a console that completely overshoots the needs of the PS2 fanbase, and reducing them from dominating leader to 3rd place.  3rd parties aren't going to start developing for a new Nintendo console just because "it's a beast".  At best, the 3rd parties will wait until the next console matches 360/PS2 sales, before they fully commit.

Oh, and have you not listened to anything said by Nintendo executives since 2005?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 18, 2010, 04:03:05 AM
You guys are crazy to think Nintendo won't follow the path set by Wii.  You're basically asking them to do what Sony did this gen: release a console that completely overshoots the needs of the PS2 fanbase, and reducing them from dominating leader to 3rd place.  3rd parties aren't going to start developing for a new Nintendo console just because "it's a beast".  At best, the 3rd parties will wait until the next console matches 360/PS2 sales, before they fully commit.

Oh, and have you not listened to anything said by Nintendo executives since 2005?

I might add that I don't expect them do it.  As much as I hope they would.

And in my above post I made a point of saying "Of course, don't go crazy *cough*ps3*cough*."  It would be the pinnacle of arrogance and stupidity to go the Sony route.  I realize a big beasty system isn't a straight ticket for 3rd party development, but that in conjunction with a traditional controller would be very enticing to 3rd parties. 

As has been discussed many times, while the Wii is currently King of the Hill, it has been lacking in many solid 3rd party titles.  Why?  Because it doesn't have the guts to run them.  That with the Wiimote controls turn them off.  Nintendo should actually be very embarrassed at the current 3rd party situation.  Sure, Sony is in last place thus far, but ironicly enough, they are the ones with a large chunk of quality 3rd party software.  The PS3 and 360 get dead space, the Wii gets a rail shooter spinoff instead.  They get a full on RE5, Wii gets 2 rail shooters instead. 

$100 says that if Nintendo went the grunt route this for the N6, it would pay off.  Just look at the 3DS for example.  It has some grunt and 3rd parties are already flocking to it.  It isn't even out yet and we already have titles like MGS, Ridge Racer, Resident Evil on the horizon. 


I'm not saying Nintendo should up and ignore the casual gamers that Nintendo were targeting with the Wii.  There is no reason they can't take a leaf out of Sony's book and continue to make Wii software like Sony did with the PS2.  That way all the core gamers are happy, and the casuals are happy.

But like I said up top, I'm not expecting them to go this way.
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Post by: that Baby guy on June 18, 2010, 05:38:20 AM
3DS & Wii have revived (mostly 3DS though) has revived alot of old properties at this years E3.

So can someone tell me who is Mr. Andonuts and why does he have an office at E3? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXyaDOBwlA

I saw that today, since today was the day I did the Zelda demo.  I took about 20 pictures of the door.  Inside, it seemed to connect to a hallway, but I never got a clear view.  Due to my net connection, I'm not about to watch the video, I'll wait until I get home on Saturday, I suppose.  I didn't see any other Nintendo doors with names, but I didn't go look, either.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 18, 2010, 07:08:31 AM
3DS & Wii have revived (mostly 3DS though) has revived alot of old properties at this years E3.

So can someone tell me who is Mr. Andonuts and why does he have an office at E3? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXyaDOBwlA

If there's something Earthbound related at e3 that gets announced for the states I'm going to ejaculate..
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Post by: ThePerm on June 18, 2010, 07:51:35 AM
what i read at first
If there's something earthbound related at e3 that gets announced for the states I'm going to be ecstatic

what you actually said
If there's something earthbound related at e3 that gets announced for the states I'm going to ejaculate..
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Post by: Tanatoes on June 18, 2010, 07:57:46 AM
Re: the Wii 2 - I think Nintendo has no real reason to do anything in the home console market.  They should concentrate all their fire power on the 3DS and become a single-pillar company so to speak.  I mean, the 3DS is as powerful as a home console but is so much more flexible.

If Ninty DOES come out with a Wii 2 it will have to do something really radically different, since right now with Kinect and Move the other consoles are now already over powered Wii HDs, and looking at the Kinect launch line-up we can see where that path leads.  Me, I don't need four dance games a year, I just want 3D Metroid Prime and Zelda.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 18, 2010, 08:15:33 AM
3DS & Wii have revived (mostly 3DS though) has revived alot of old properties at this years E3.

So can someone tell me who is Mr. Andonuts and why does he have an office at E3? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXyaDOBwlA
what i read at first
If there's something earthbound related at e3 that gets announced for the states I'm going to be ecstatic

what you actually said
If there's something earthbound related at e3 that gets announced for the states I'm going to ejaculate..

Can't it be both?
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 18, 2010, 12:44:16 PM
Quote
  I, honestly, think Nintendo's next console is going to be a beast. Nintendo was understandably conservative this generation. They've been making money on each unit sold from day one. They were in last place and did what they needed to do to keep profits up. With renewed brand trust and consumer confidence, Nintendo should be going after 3rd party support. 3rd parties have made it clear that they want a more powerful console, something that will stay competitive for an entire generation. Gameplay is first, but graphics sell games since it's the first thing people see. Casual gamers may not care, but everyone else does. I think Nintendo understands that and to appeal to everyone, this is the next step. I mean, they'll never launch a $400 console, but $300 may not be a stretch. So, I think we'll see something far more powerful than PS3/360 from Nintendo next generation. 

I think this is a complete fantasy.  I don't think Nintendo cares about third party support.  All they care about is if they make a profit off of their own products.  They SHOULD care because they get a cut out of every third party title but I don't think that matters to them.  Nintendo systems exists to sell Nintendo products and anything else is a bonus.  They will only go nuts on hardware if THEY want it to be that way for their own games.
 
As for appealing to everyone, Nintendo thinks that appealing to everyone means making a game that everyone can enjoy.  They see Wii Sports as an everyone game because everyone can play it.  In their mind a casual console is a console for everyone.  They don't get the idea of having five games and making each one for a different audience.  They think all five games should be suitable for all five audiences.  That's why they've never truly embraced mature games.  An 'M' rating limits who can play the game.  They want everyone to be able to play their games.  Every game must have mass appeal.  They seem legitimately bothered about games that only appeal to a specific demographic.
 
The Wii follow-up will be like the Wii.  They'll probably up the hardware to match the PS3 and X360 but they won't go higher and the focus will be on some new controller gimmick that they hope will have mass appeal.  Expect nothing more and MAYBE we'll get lucky.  But I don't expect things to change.
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Post by: SixthAngel on June 18, 2010, 01:06:30 PM
I, honestly, think Nintendo's next console is going to be a beast.

I can't believe it. 

One of Nintendo's biggest reasons for making the Wii what it is was because the cost to develop games is skyrocketing.  They were 100% right.  Nintendo realises this far more than Sony and MS because they are the biggest software producer and seller.  The cost of making game is incredibly important to them.

Making the system super powerful would throw away the biggest lesson everyone should have learned from the Wii.  Cutting edge graphics are not important and not even really desirable.  Even as a game buyer I don't want them because the games take longer to come out.

I eventually expect a system that is to the ps3/xbox what the Wii is to the Gamecube.
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Post by: UncleBob on June 18, 2010, 01:08:15 PM
Every game must have mass appeal.  They seem legitimately bothered about games that only appeal to a specific demographic.

(http://microcabin.net/WebRoot/StoreES/Shops/ea1332/480B/86B4/81CA/3C58/490B/D94C/8776/9E11/ODAMA.jpg) says hi.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 18, 2010, 01:14:48 PM

I, honestly, think Nintendo's next console is going to be a beast.

I can't believe it. 

One of Nintendo's biggest reasons for making the Wii what it is was because the cost to develop games is skyrocketing.  They were 100% right.  Nintendo realises this far more than Sony and MS because they are the biggest software producer and seller.  The cost of making game is incredibly important to them.

Making the system super powerful would throw away the biggest lesson everyone should have learned from the Wii.  Cutting edge graphics are not important and not even really desirable.  Even as a game buyer I don't want them because the games take longer to come out.

I eventually expect a system that is to the ps3/xbox what the Wii is to the Gamecube.

Those graphics aren't expensive because they're new, though. They're expensive and time-consuming because of how much effort goes into that level of detail. Even if Nintendo just makes something at the same level as the 360 and PS3, games that use that power will take just as long and be just as expensive as they are right now on those platforms.


That's a bullshit argument for why Nintendo made the Wii the way they did, anyway; if they could have made a console on the same technical level as Microsoft and Sony and sold it at the price they wanted and made a profit on it they wouldn't have thought twice about doing it.
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Post by: Toruresu on June 18, 2010, 01:33:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that by next gen, graphics won't really matter. I mean, what's else is there to do graphics wise?

Saying that, I bet that the Wii2 will be on par with the 360/PS3 of now and be a bit inferior to the 720/PS4, except being a familiar and easy to develop for system with a familiar GC/Wii arquitecture (spelling?). That familiarity will save the time and money they want to save, with the power to do basically anything they (any developer) needs.

Focusing on the online experience seems like a better area to focus on though.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 18, 2010, 02:13:46 PM
I'm pretty sure that by next gen, graphics won't really matter. I mean, what's else is there to do graphics wise?

Saying that, I bet that the Wii2 will be on par with the 360/PS3 of now and be a bit inferior to the 720/PS4, except being a familiar and easy to develop for system with a familiar GC/Wii arquitecture (spelling?). That familiarity will save the time and money they want to save, with the power to do basically anything they (any developer) needs.

Focusing on the online experience seems like a better area to focus on though.

They (non-nintendo developers) will just complain about the proprietary media disk or cart for that new system like they did with the Gamecube :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Toruresu on June 18, 2010, 02:36:06 PM
I'm pretty sure that by next gen, graphics won't really matter. I mean, what's else is there to do graphics wise?

Saying that, I bet that the Wii2 will be on par with the 360/PS3 of now and be a bit inferior to the 720/PS4, except being a familiar and easy to develop for system with a familiar GC/Wii arquitecture (spelling?). That familiarity will save the time and money they want to save, with the power to do basically anything they (any developer) needs.

Focusing on the online experience seems like a better area to focus on though.

They (non-nintendo developers) will just complain about the proprietary media disk or cart for that new system like they did with the Gamecube :P

Well, hopefully Nintendo uses a common disc type thing...How much can a Wii disc hold? Perhaps something that doubles it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on June 18, 2010, 02:43:59 PM
I'm pretty sure that by next gen, graphics won't really matter. I mean, what's else is there to do graphics wise?

Saying that, I bet that the Wii2 will be on par with the 360/PS3 of now and be a bit inferior to the 720/PS4, except being a familiar and easy to develop for system with a familiar GC/Wii arquitecture (spelling?). That familiarity will save the time and money they want to save, with the power to do basically anything they (any developer) needs.

Focusing on the online experience seems like a better area to focus on though.

They (non-nintendo developers) will just complain about the proprietary media disk or cart for that new system like they did with the Gamecube :P

Well, hopefully Nintendo uses a common disc type thing...How much can a Wii disc hold? Perhaps something that doubles it?

If BnM's dreams come true and they use Holographic disk storage, which holds a lot more than needed, they'd STILL complain. So.. yeah :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 18, 2010, 03:10:12 PM
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except being a familiar and easy to develop for system with a familiar GC/Wii arquitecture (spelling?)

How familiar is the Cube/Wii architecture to developers anyway when the devs that matter never made games for the Cube or Wii?  Nobody worth a **** makes games with the architecture except Nintendo!
 
I think the real solution is to make something that is port compatible with the other systems on the market.  Being different doesn't attract ****.  Third parties clearly like the flexibility to make multiplatform consoles.  The majority of the big third party games this gen have been non-exclusives.  Nintendo themselves provides tons of key exclusives anyway so it isn't like having the same third party games as the other consoles is going to hurt them.  I think being the odd console out almost every single time is more damaging.  If they can match the third party support then it comes down to first party games which is to Nintendo's advantage.  Right now it's Nintendo's first party games versus EVERYTHING else.  Mario doesn't just compete with Halo and God of War.  He competes with Resident Evil and GTA and Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy and...
 
I also think that Nintendo provides too many excuses.  "Well this all you should need." "This will you help keep costs down."  "Being forced to use this will make you more innovative."  Nobody wants to be told what to do or be told what's best for them.  Nintendo needs to only worry about themselves and let third parties cut loose.  If some devs go broke, too bad.  That's how the free market works.  Obviously the key to attracting third parties is to provide a flexible model.  Nintendo has gone NOWHERE with all their restrictions to "protect" developers from themselves.  The model that provides the most freedom is the one that attracts the support.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Toruresu on June 18, 2010, 03:18:26 PM
Ian, I believe almost 90% of developers HAVE developed for either the GC or Wii. It's been crap games, sure, but they have had time with the systems.

The Xbox 360 and PS3 arquitectures are way different and are in no way similar, but they still get the same games. If Nintendo had a console that had similar horsepower graphics wise, was familiar to work for and had the user base to back it up, it'd be 3rd party heaven all over again.

Am I delusional or am I making sense here?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 18, 2010, 03:29:10 PM
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except being a familiar and easy to develop for system with a familiar GC/Wii arquitecture (spelling?)

How familiar is the Cube/Wii architecture to developers anyway when the devs that matter never made games for the Cube or Wii?  Nobody worth a **** makes games with the architecture except Nintendo!
 
I think the real solution is to make something that is port compatible with the other systems on the market.  Being different doesn't attract ****.  Third parties clearly like the flexibility to make multiplatform consoles.  The majority of the big third party games this gen have been non-exclusives.  Nintendo themselves provides tons of key exclusives anyway so it isn't like having the same third party games as the other consoles is going to hurt them.  I think being the odd console out almost every single time is more damaging.  If they can match the third party support then it comes down to first party games which is to Nintendo's advantage.  Right now it's Nintendo's first party games versus EVERYTHING else.  Mario doesn't just compete with Halo and God of War.  He competes with Resident Evil and GTA and Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy and...
 
I also think that Nintendo provides too many excuses.  "Well this all you should need." "This will you help keep costs down."  "Being forced to use this will make you more innovative."  Nobody wants to be told what to do or be told what's best for them.  Nintendo needs to only worry about themselves and let third parties cut loose.  If some devs go broke, too bad.  That's how the free market works.  Obviously the key to attracting third parties is to provide a flexible model.  Nintendo has gone NOWHERE with all their restrictions to "protect" developers from themselves.  The model that provides the most freedom is the one that attracts the support.

Those are all arguments that Nintendo's supporters have made in favor of what Nintendo did with the Wii, but I don't think Nintendo has ever really argued most (if any) of those things.

The fact that the PS3, a console that is both in last place and the most difficult of the three to develop for, gets pretty good third party support proves that developers don't really care about familiar or easy architectures, and would much rather have a comparable level of hardware capability.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 18, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
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Ian, I believe almost 90% of developers HAVE developed for either the GC or Wii. It's been crap games, sure, but they have had time with the systems.

Yeah, but I feel the relevant experience is important.  If you've only made crap with that architecture how much experience do you have?  I think of experience meaning that the dev knows how to get good performance out of the hardware.  If you're some third party who is capable of making good games but has never bothered on the Wii how do you go from making shovelware to making a great game?  You can't have Dreamcast graphics, you can't have laggy online or a chuggy framerate, the controls have to be tight and responsive, there can't be bugs.  If you've just half-assed it every time how do you know how to do this the first time you put a real effort in?
 
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 The Xbox 360 and PS3 arquitectures are way different and are in no way similar, but they still get the same games. If Nintendo had a console that had similar horsepower graphics wise, was familiar to work for and had the user base to back it up, it'd be 3rd party heaven all over again.

Am I delusional or am I making sense here?

I think that makes perfect sense.  I figure the most likely reason why third parties don't port their games to the Wii is because they designed the games for better hardware and it would be too much work to downgrade it to the Wii... and even then they may have to compromise the quality of the game too much for it to be worth it.  It's way easier to go up than down.
 
I think next gen the controller has to be addressed too in that they have to include the classic controller with the system so that all devs can assume the player has one.  The idea of motion control being the new standard has failed.  There are too many Wii games that control like complete balls because devs feel that they have to make every Wii game a motion controlled one, and they kind of do because having something that ONLY supports the classic controller would restrict the potential audience.  The remote needs to be one of multiple options, not the MAIN option.  If each system came with a nunchuk, remote and cc then devs can focus on just making great games, and use whatever control scheme they feel is most appropriate.  Again it's about providing flexibility to the third parties.  Nintendo may want to exclusively use the remote but that doesn't mean every developer does.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 18, 2010, 05:07:39 PM
Developers don't have to exclusively use the remote now, they just have to support it. There's no reason they can't also use the Classic Controller, or even make it the primary method of control; hell, Nintendo did it themselves with Brawl. They can't outright require it, which I think is good because I want them to at least try to make the game work with Wii-specific controls, but it's always been an option for developers, they just often ignore it. Don't blame Nintendo for that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 18, 2010, 05:16:48 PM
You guys are crazy to think Nintendo won't follow the path set by Wii.
I think it's crazy to think they will. What has changed since then and now? Nintendo is in 1st place. I don't think anyone is expecting them to "do what Sony did." Nintendo will never launch a $600 console ever. However, Gamecube was a beast. It was more powerful than PS2, comparable to Xbox and still cheaper than both. Is it really hard to believe that Nintendo couldn't do that again? Nintendo selectively chose the components that went into that console. They were efficient, cheap yet powerful.
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3rd parties aren't going to start developing for a new Nintendo console just because "it's a beast".
That's oversimplifying and you know it. Being comparable in power essentially allows third parties to port over. The days of one console getting a majority of exclusives are over. There may be a few here and there, but cross platform releases are the best we can hope for. I would think Nintendo has observed that much from the market. Should Nintendo remain market leader, 3rd parties will likely choose it as the lead platform then port to other consoles, granted it's not pathetically underpowered.
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Oh, and have you not listened to anything said by Nintendo executives since 2005?
Yeah, I have. This is the same Nintendo that talked about simplifying controls then added a f*cking analog stick to the DS. Nice job there, Nintendo. I'm glad they did too, because it makes sense. Playing 3D games on DS sucked sweaty nuts without one and the whole simplified controls thing succeeded, not by limiting the number of buttons and doodads, but by seeing someone use motion controls or a touchscreen. However, you're living in a dream world if you think executives of any company aren't just justifying current choices. At the drop of a hat, they will abandon those so-called convictions should their respective company's circumstances change. If the successor of the Wii remote has an analog stick and 4 face buttons, expect Nintendo to PR spin the sh*t out of it. Why? Because they have to.
I think this is a complete fantasy.  I don't think Nintendo cares about third party support.  All they care about is if they make a profit off of their own products.  They SHOULD care because they get a cut out of every third party title but I don't think that matters to them.  Nintendo systems exists to sell Nintendo products and anything else is a bonus.  They will only go nuts on hardware if THEY want it to be that way for their own games.
Of course Nintendo cares. It comes down to profit margins. They want that money and it does matter to them. They just aren't getting it. If the Wii was on the same level as PS3/360 power wise, 3rd parties wouldn't think twice about porting over games. It would make sense to port because they'd be reaching that many more people. And they would cease porting if sales were low. However, the Wii requires its own version which sucks for them. If they can't sell people on gee-whiz graphics, the experiment fails.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Toruresu on June 18, 2010, 05:18:33 PM
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Ian, I believe almost 90% of developers HAVE developed for either the GC or Wii. It's been crap games, sure, but they have had time with the systems.

Yeah, but I feel the relevant experience is important.  If you've only made crap with that architecture how much experience do you have?  I think of experience meaning that the dev knows how to get good performance out of the hardware.  If you're some third party who is capable of making good games but has never bothered on the Wii how do you go from making shovelware to making a great game?  You can't have Dreamcast graphics, you can't have laggy online or a chuggy framerate, the controls have to be tight and responsive, there can't be bugs.  If you've just half-assed it every time how do you know how to do this the first time you put a real effort in?
 
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 The Xbox 360 and PS3 arquitectures are way different and are in no way similar, but they still get the same games. If Nintendo had a console that had similar horsepower graphics wise, was familiar to work for and had the user base to back it up, it'd be 3rd party heaven all over again.

Am I delusional or am I making sense here?

I think that makes perfect sense.  I figure the most likely reason why third parties don't port their games to the Wii is because they designed the games for better hardware and it would be too much work to downgrade it to the Wii... and even then they may have to compromise the quality of the game too much for it to be worth it.  It's way easier to go up than down.
 
I think next gen the controller has to be addressed too in that they have to include the classic controller with the system so that all devs can assume the player has one.  The idea of motion control being the new standard has failed.  There are too many Wii games that control like complete balls because devs feel that they have to make every Wii game a motion controlled one, and they kind of do because having something that ONLY supports the classic controller would restrict the potential audience.  The remote needs to be one of multiple options, not the MAIN option.  If each system came with a nunchuk, remote and cc then devs can focus on just making great games, and use whatever control scheme they feel is most appropriate.  Again it's about providing flexibility to the third parties.  Nintendo may want to exclusively use the remote but that doesn't mean every developer does.

On your first statement, I think that every system has a NEW learning curve and with Xbox360 and PS3 it seemed to be a steep one. Presumably, with the Wii2 it shouldn't be that hard if you had experience working with a Nintendo home console for the last 3 generations. I admit I know nothing on how to develop a game, but if it uses the same tools but get upgraded with a new system, it should be like upgrading from Windows XP to Vista to Windows 7. Yes, your first efforts might not be awesome or perfect, but by that same logic, the Xbox720/PS4's curve would be steeper (unless they do what Nintendo did this generation, highly unlikely).

On your second statement I agree 100%. Nintendo should have included a Classic Controller with every Wii from day one. A mistake that 3rd parties used as an excuse not to develop for the platforms. I agree that if Nintendo want Motion Controls as a new standard they should just use them, but leave the door open for the rest of the developers who want to use a CC for their games.

Problem is, the Wii was designed specifically to disrupt the market. If 3rd parties just released their games with CC only and no Motion Controls, the other faults of the console would've been more apparent (weak graphics, online is subpar, etc.) and would've probably resulted in Nintendo not selling as many systems as they currently did. It wouldn't have been a game changing system, but an option only enforced by Nintendo themselves.


Edit: This was in response to Ian.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 18, 2010, 06:54:08 PM
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  Developers don't have to exclusively use the remote now, they just have to support it. There's no reason they can't also use the Classic Controller, or even make it the primary method of control; hell, Nintendo did it themselves with Brawl. They can't outright require it, which I think is good because I want them to at least try to make the game work with Wii-specific controls, but it's always been an option for developers, they just often ignore it. Don't blame Nintendo for that. 

I think the flaw comes from the fact that they have to support it.  That makes it their first template so they compromise the idea so they can make it work in waggle.  What we get is waggle games mapped to classic controllers, if we're lucky.  I think being able to completely bypass the remote is more ideal because then you just make the game for the controller that works best and you don't have to think about it.  If your game's basic controls cannot be shoehorned into the remote then that idea is scrapped.  But then the big problem is that the classic controller isn't standard so there is reluctance to support it at all.
 
I think that having the remote as the standard is like if the Super Scope was the standard controller for the SNES.  It isn't a good choice as the default controller.  Despite what Nintendo thinks it's a specialized controller that works well for some games.  The remote is creative.  A default controller has to be generic.  It's a more functional design if it's uninteresting.
 
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 Problem is, the Wii was designed specifically to disrupt the market. If 3rd parties just released their games with CC only and no Motion Controls, the other faults of the console would've been more apparent (weak graphics, online is subpar, etc.) and would've probably resulted in Nintendo not selling as many systems as they currently did. It wouldn't have been a game changing system, but an option only enforced by Nintendo themselves.

I don't see how third parties making CC games with no motion controls would have exposed the console's faults anymore then how making tons and tons of complete horseshit did.  The Wii's flaws have been blatantly obvious to anyone in the know since day one.  Wii Sports sold Wiis and it used the remote.  I don't think anyone bought a Wii for NPC Zelda that wouldn't have bought it if it just used the Gamecube controls.  People bought a Wii to use the remote in the games that made proper use of it.  The core games that map a button press to a shake didn't sell Wiis because of the remote shake.
 
The disruption of the market was more in targetting casuals who have not noticed all the of the Wiis many many flaws anyway.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 18, 2010, 07:13:46 PM
The only games on the Wii that couldn't be easily mapped to the Classic Controller are games that make significant use of the pointer and games that use meaningful motion control, i.e. not just a button press mapped to waggle, and games that do those things are making good use of the remote. This is pure laziness on the part of developers; don't let them off the hook by blaming Nintendo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 18, 2010, 08:58:49 PM
You guys are crazy to think Nintendo won't follow the path set by Wii.
I think it's crazy to think they will. What has changed since then and now? Nintendo is in 1st place. I don't think anyone is expecting them to "do what Sony did." Nintendo will never launch a $600 console ever. However, Gamecube was a beast. It was more powerful than PS2, comparable to Xbox and still cheaper than both. Is it really hard to believe that Nintendo couldn't do that again? Nintendo selectively chose the components that went into that console. They were efficient, cheap yet powerful.
And GameCube was a failure in most people's eyes.  The majority of current Wii gamers won't buy a new console just because it's got better specs.  Why abandon this giant 'blue ocean' you've just created all for yourself?


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3rd parties aren't going to start developing for a new Nintendo console just because "it's a beast".
That's oversimplifying and you know it. Being comparable in power essentially allows third parties to port over. The days of one console getting a majority of exclusives are over. There may be a few here and there, but cross platform releases are the best we can hope for. I would think Nintendo has observed that much from the market. Should Nintendo remain market leader, 3rd parties will likely choose it as the lead platform then port to other consoles, granted it's not pathetically underpowered.
Then why didn't GameCube get all this 3rd party support?  If Nintendo launches a new console, it instantly becomes the 3rd place console in terms of userbase.  Even with GameCube Nintendo was in 2nd place for most of the generation and developers/publishers ignored it.  It's become a cliche, but the industry will find any reason to ignore a Nintendo console ("it's a kiddy system", "only casual games sell", etc...).

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Oh, and have you not listened to anything said by Nintendo executives since 2005?
Yeah, I have. This is the same Nintendo that talked about simplifying controls then added a f*cking analog stick to the DS. Nice job there, Nintendo. I'm glad they did too, because it makes sense. Playing 3D games on DS sucked sweaty nuts without one and the whole simplified controls thing succeeded, not by limiting the number of buttons and doodads, but by seeing someone use motion controls or a touchscreen. However, you're living in a dream world if you think executives of any company aren't just justifying current choices. At the drop of a hat, they will abandon those so-called convictions should their respective company's circumstances change. If the successor of the Wii remote has an analog stick and 4 face buttons, expect Nintendo to PR spin the sh*t out of it. Why? Because they have to.
You must have missed it when Iwata said "we can't just make a Wii HD and expect it to become another phenomenon, we have to provide a whole new experience", which Reggie then parroted shortly after.  Nintendo 2005 - present has all been about expanding the market, always explaining that graphics =/= sales.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 18, 2010, 09:06:31 PM
I'm gonna jump in here, so excuse me if I'm off topic since I've skipped half the post on this page so far [Toruesu - it's spelled Architecture]

But if you think about how powerful should Nintendo's console be and argue that as powerful as they can make it and still turn a profit on day 1 at a mass market price of < $250, then I think it should easily be better than the 360 or the PS3 but not quite as powerful as the 720/PS4(as was mentioned earlier).

Why would I say that? Well if you look at the cost of a 360 right now, you can find them in stores for about $99-$199 if you know when and where to look. Considering the fact that if Nintendo wanted a chip like that, they would have worked really hard to make it cheap to manufacture on a sliding scale so that it drops quickly from the get-go and steadily over time. So for Nintendo to leapfrog a 360 and still hit a $250 price tag with onboard memory and whatever else they have planned should be all that hard to do by end of 2011 (assuming that's the expected release window at this time.) and even easier to pull off by 2012.

And even being less powerful than the 720/PS4 wouldn't really matter since the graphics wouldn't be all that different or noticeable to the untrained eye that didn't have the clearest 1080p TV configured to optimal setting
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Toruresu on June 18, 2010, 09:23:32 PM
Thanks for clearing the spelling for me :)

Yeah, I agree with you. By the next console generation graphics won't matter and it's all going to be about art style/direction and gameplay. I think Nintendo knew this with this generation and underestimated the Wii internal systems, but by next generation, this will be the norm. All three systems will have awesome graphics, all three systems will have new architectures, possibly all will have different motion controllers, but Nintendo's will be the same/similar architecture from the past two generations. This means development times should/will be shorter and cheaper. I believe Microsoft and Sony both will just do what Nintendo did this generation with their systems, upgrade them slightly and sell them at a profit.

That next generation will define and refine this entertainment we all enjoy and love as real art, all consoles might have the same 3rd party support (minus exclusives) and first party games will define the experiences of each.

Ok, now I AM delusional
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 18, 2010, 10:02:41 PM
Personally, after three generations of "Just wait until the next system!", I've long since accepted that to get the best third-party games, you have to own more than one system. It isn't worth continuously hoping for what will likely never happen, when the simple solution is to purchase an XBox 360 or PS3. Though I, myself, aren't interested enough to do so.
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Post by: Kytim89 on June 18, 2010, 10:26:50 PM
I had the idea for Nintendo to create a DLC service called "wiiware Video or theater." This would be a service centered around 10 to 30 minute animated shows created by independant studios that are not game developers. For example, one animater turns a comic book into an animated series or talking story board and you pay 500 wii points to buy it or 1000 wii points for an entire season, or something. Just a thought.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2010, 03:31:57 AM
And GameCube was a failure in most people's eyes.  The majority of current Wii gamers won't buy a new console just because it's got better specs.  Why abandon this giant 'blue ocean' you've just created all for yourself?
Gamecube being a failure has nothing to do with Nintendo's ability to put together powerful hardware. Wii owners will buy a successor as long as Nintendo gives them what they want (i.e. fun, engaging software). Nintendo is perfectly capable of doing that with competitive yet affordable hardware. And who says they have to abandon the "blue ocean?" I don't know how you're coming to these conclusions.
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That's oversimplifying and you know it. Being comparable in power essentially allows third parties to port over. The days of one console getting a majority of exclusives are over. There may be a few here and there, but cross platform releases are the best we can hope for. I would think Nintendo has observed that much from the market. Should Nintendo remain market leader, 3rd parties will likely choose it as the lead platform then port to other consoles, granted it's not pathetically underpowered.
Then why didn't GameCube get all this 3rd party support?  If Nintendo launches a new console, it instantly becomes the 3rd place console in terms of userbase.  Even with GameCube Nintendo was in 2nd place for most of the generation and developers/publishers ignored it.  It's become a cliche, but the industry will find any reason to ignore a Nintendo console ("it's a kiddy system", "only casual games sell", etc...).
Seriously, dude? My response is essentially unchanged from the segment you just quoted and replied to. You can't compare this generation to last because the rules have changed. 3rd parties are porting far more often and offering fewer exclusives, mostly offering exclusive bonus content. Not even Final Fantasy is exclusive anymore. What 3rcd parties are generally unwilling to do, however, is make a completely separate Wii version. If they Wii housed comparable hardware, I have no doubt 3rd parties would port games over. It's cheaper and easier than making a console specific version.
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You must have missed it when Iwata said "we can't just make a Wii HD and expect it to become another phenomenon, we have to provide a whole new experience", which Reggie then parroted shortly after.  Nintendo 2005 - present has all been about expanding the market, always explaining that graphics =/= sales.
I swear, you didn't read a word of my post. I didn't miss anything. I read every interview but I take them with a grain of salt. What they say is true today, tomorrow it probably won't be. In fact, I gave you an example of this. See, Nintendo wants everyone's money. Not just casual gamers and not just core gamers. Everyone. You'd be silly to believe otherwise. I've never suggested that Nintendo just release Wii HD. It won't work. Rather, my point is that Nintendo has to offer something new as well as competitive hardware. That way, everyone wins. Innovative and powerful.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 19, 2010, 03:15:04 PM
The Wii already has the innovative aspect locked down. What other direction is there for them to go than more powerful?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 19, 2010, 05:38:54 PM
Innovative

Adjective
1. Characterized by the creation of new ideas or things
2. Forward looking; ahead of current thinking

It won't be innovative if the next system is the same thing with better specs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 19, 2010, 06:17:01 PM
There really isn't much more Nintendo (or any company, for that matter) can do to innovate hardware anymore. Now its all about the Peripherals instead of the systems they run on. For some peripherals (Natal, for example) you need powerful hardware to run it, so its necessary to have a powerful system for the sake of Peripherals.... but the Peripherals is where the actual innovation takes place. That said, Nintendo needs a far more powerful system, because hopefully at some point they will come out with an updated version of the NES power glove and a VR headset addon, and the Wii isn't powerful enough for that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 19, 2010, 06:30:11 PM
Nobody worth a **** makes games with the architecture except Nintendo!

Well, I guess Capcom, Square-Enix, Namco, EA, Sega, etc. aren't worth four asterisks to you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2010, 04:35:43 PM
Not saying something like this is gonna happen and I've posted a video on something like this before, but does anyone thing we might see games using this tech on the 3DS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvOHGj0MZqY

A pokemon/Yugioh/Beyblade type game would be pretty cool to utilize something like that.

Weren't there augmented reality demos for the 3DS @ E3?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on June 21, 2010, 05:16:22 PM
There was one, and it was far more advanced than that, even going as far as to warp the dimensions of the table the camera was focusing on.  We're calling it the "Augmented Reality Tech Demo," but I think just about everyone is calling it something different.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2010, 05:35:05 PM
you got a link?

I've only heard about it, I didn't see it.

I still haven't watched the Nintendo or Sony conference either. I feel like the moment has passed for those.
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Post by: that Baby guy on June 21, 2010, 05:41:05 PM
This (http://www.pixlbit.com/coverage?action=showCoverageArticle&coverageId=57) is ours.
This (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/impressionsArt.cfm?artid=23407) is NWR's.

I strongly urge absolutely everyone to check impressions of this thing out.  It really wowed me quite a bit, and was a step above any Augmented Reality game I've seen or heard of before.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2010, 05:58:02 PM
This (http://www.pixlbit.com/coverage?action=showCoverageArticle&coverageId=57) is ours.
This (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/impressionsArt.cfm?artid=23407) is NWR's.

I strongly urge absolutely everyone to check impressions of this thing out.  It really wowed me quite a bit, and was a step above any Augmented Reality game I've seen or heard of before.

Neither of you have videos.

was it something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cix3Ws2sOsU
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on June 21, 2010, 06:02:17 PM
That's because anyone with videos or pictures of 3DS games in action, and not just the title or pre-demo screens did so against Nintendo's permission.  Plain and simple.

Imagine seeing a round portion of a table made out of some kind of springy rubber.  The center point bounces and depresses the most, with the outer portions moving less.  The demo seemed as practical as what you linked to, albeit possibly with better graphical effects, but also manipulated the table it was on in that springy, bouncy way.  Maybe at some point I'll come up with a youtube that resembles the part I'm talking about, but that could be a while from now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Toruresu on June 21, 2010, 11:51:34 PM
That would be awesome. My YuGiOh! duels would be much more epic!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 22, 2010, 01:42:07 AM
3DS Augmented Reality (3:55)
http://www.tested.com/tested-goes-hands-on-with-the-nintendo-3ds/47-75/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on June 22, 2010, 02:11:01 AM
Wow, yeah.  That told you things nobody has said before, and demonstrates footage never shown.

Oh, right, they never really show the screen.  That says about the same as the previews I linked to, but rather than being written, someone speaks it.  As far as I'm aware, it also didn't actually use the gyroscope sensors, but I could be mistaken.  You definitely couldn't see anything from that video, though.  And if you think you do, trust me, the real thing is different.  A lot different.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2010, 11:57:07 AM
Nintendo "Not Satisfied" With Their Online Efforts (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3180033)

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"Of course, I have heard commentary that people feel that Nintendo's online functionality is behind the others or is lacking in some ways," he continued. "And I can say that we are not currently satisfied with the online efforts that we have made so far, and we are working at ways to improve those." Still, Iwata also insisted that the time they devote to online functionality will be decided on a product-by-product basis.

"[...We will] make a decision as to whether or not it's more important to devote resources to making that offline experience more fun and compelling for products where that is going to be the most important element of the game play; and then for products where it is going to be more important, to add online functionality and make that online functionality robust and compelling," Iwata concluded. "We will continue to focus our efforts there when it's appropriate, but it's going to be a product-by-product decision."


Well, they say the first step is admitting you have a problem.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 22, 2010, 12:41:05 PM
It's another reason I hope they give the 3DS RAM and power above and beyond the game they are currently planning to launch with it and a Universal OS to run everything.
They should have some extra power and space to add features down the line and not have the system locked in some archaic form up update like the Wii and it's IOS system.

All software should communicate within the OS and the OS communicates with the hardware, that way if they update something, all games can take advantage of it and not only the games that were specifically designed to use that particular function.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2010, 12:44:36 PM
What they've said about tag mode and automatic Wi-Fi updates leads me to believe they've done that, at least to some degree.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 22, 2010, 12:53:39 PM
What they've said about tag mode and automatic Wi-Fi updates leads me to believe they've done that, at least to some degree.
It'd be nice if that were true.  I don't trust Nintendo with this type of thing though.  They always try to inhibit rather than allow more free reign for software developers.  They like to be in full control and so I worry that they will continue to inhibit with this new OS.  I am hoping I am wrong though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on June 22, 2010, 12:57:35 PM
Geez.. If I could just get a Nintendo console/handheld that uses something similar to the XMB on the PS3... I will 110% completely on cloud nine.

The fluidity of the XMB is fantastic. And it actually feels very "Nintendo-like" anyway. I'm amazed Sony has it, honestly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on June 22, 2010, 07:54:13 PM
What they've said about tag mode and automatic Wi-Fi updates leads me to believe they've done that, at least to some degree.

They have said that you can d/l updates and shop titles in the background while playing games. Doesn't this pretty much confirm that the 3DS is running on a universal OS?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 23, 2010, 11:53:16 PM
What they've said about tag mode and automatic Wi-Fi updates leads me to believe they've done that, at least to some degree.

They have said that you can d/l updates and shop titles in the background while playing games. Doesn't this pretty much confirm that the 3DS is running on a universal OS?
Not necessarily.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2010, 12:05:16 AM
It confirms that the system is capable of doing things in the background, and doing that without a universal OS is beyond even Nintendo's capacity for doing things differently for no good reason.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2010, 08:34:23 AM
But the question is to the extent of the Universal OS is in question.  If Nintendo figured out a way that allows the single game's online functions to update or stay dormant while you play another game on the system memory then that isn't as awesome achievement.  I dunno...I just doubt Nintendo will get this right.  I love Nintendo to death for their games and vision for hardware, but their concepts for OS and online are lacking.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 24, 2010, 05:21:01 PM
Just because they're lacking, doesn't mean they haven't learned anything. They did openly admit that their online structure sucks. That's a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 24, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
augmented reality = a fit for Pokemon!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 25, 2010, 07:38:56 AM
Augmented Reality + Pokemon 3D Stadium...would be awesome...plus add a special walk and battle in your world, for collecting new pokemon in your Pokemon White or Black would be awesome.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on June 25, 2010, 05:17:01 PM
Remember that DSi game, Ghost Wire? It could detect different objects in the real world and then super imposed ghosts in the game around the room you were in. Imagine a pokemon game where the type of pokemon you come across is dictated by where you are in the real world or what is around you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 25, 2010, 05:51:09 PM
Remember that DSi game, Ghost Wire? It could detect different objects in the real world and then super imposed ghosts in the game around the room you were in. Imagine a pokemon game where the type of pokemon you come across is dictated by where you are in the real world or what is around you.

If someone plays the game in the same exact room every time then its going to be pretty boring, because it would always be the same thing. It would work for those who travel around alot, though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2010, 12:10:23 PM
I just thought of something. IF Nintendo has a friends in Google, then by the properties of associations, wouldn't they also have a friend in Verizon?


edit: I just realized that I never finished this thought. :D

If Nintendo was working with Google on software/online solutions for the 3DS and next Nintendo Home Console, and Iwata was interested in doing something similar to Kindle for the 3DS, wouldn't partnering with Google put them in close relations with Verizon to handle such a task?

I imagine any Kindle like usage of small data packets sent over 3/4G would be for game authentication & firmware updates and not for actual online gameplay.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 26, 2010, 02:59:50 PM
PS3 and Xbox 360 to get Hulu service. They actually got netlfix before the wii, so will the wii get eventually get a hulu service of its own.
 
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1101904p1.html (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1101904p1.html)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2010, 03:09:10 PM
PS3 and Xbox 360 to get Hulu service. They actually got netlfix before the wii, so will the wii get eventually get a hulu service of its own.
 
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1101904p1.html (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1101904p1.html)

Not unless Nintendo is gonna start charging for online services or Nintendo users want to pay to use Hulu.

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PlayStation Network users will have to register for a paid subscription service to use Hulu, according to Bloomberg. No word yet if this could one day be implemented into PlayStation Plus, Sony's premium PSN service first detailed this morning.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 26, 2010, 03:54:49 PM
PS3 and Xbox 360 to get Hulu service. They actually got netlfix before the wii, so will the wii get eventually get a hulu service of its own.
 
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1101904p1.html (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1101904p1.html)

Not unless Nintendo is gonna start charging for online services or Nintendo users want to pay to use Hulu.

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PlayStation Network users will have to register for a paid subscription service to use Hulu, according to Bloomberg. No word yet if this could one day be implemented into PlayStation Plus, Sony's premium PSN service first detailed this morning.

They are already paying for Netflix, right? What is the difference?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2010, 04:05:34 PM
Hulu is free online & Netflix also sends me movies in the mail.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 26, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
Hulu is free online & Netflix also sends me movies in the mail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHvtQDlKX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHvtQDlKX0)
 
There is a way to stream hulu on thw wii using PlayOn. I have not tried it myself, but I am very interested in doing so to see how it works out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 27, 2010, 08:43:52 AM
Kytime, I don't get what your avatar is supposed to be about. Is it something obscene? I'm just curious.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 27, 2010, 10:33:03 AM
It's pretty self-explanatory. Mario is supposed to be the father of Peach's baby, but clearly isn't the very Bowser looking baby being handed to him.

Essentially, Mario = pwnt
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Post by: Mop it up on June 27, 2010, 06:20:40 PM
Kytime, I don't get what your avatar is supposed to be about. Is it something obscene? I'm just curious.
Obscene? No, but it might be slightly inappropriate.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on June 27, 2010, 06:45:39 PM
It's further proof that Mario is a delusional old man who thinks that Peach likes him when she really likes going on 'holiday' with Bowser. All those letters he gets from her are from his clouded point of view when they are really cease and desist letters. It's a case of one too many shrooms gone to the head. Rather tragic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 27, 2010, 07:08:20 PM
It's pretty self-explanatory. Mario is supposed to be the father of Peach's baby, but clearly isn't the very Bowser looking baby being handed to him.

Essentially, Mario = pwnt

It makes sense now that you've explained it. The problem I had is it was in an avatar no bigger than a postage stamp, and I guess my eyes aren't that good... I could make out Peach's legs spread apart and it looked to me like Mario was reaching between them. I could see that little baby thing, but that's the thing I couldn't make out what it was. I thought it was Toad or something.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 30, 2010, 12:44:59 PM
It's pretty self-explanatory. Mario is supposed to be the father of Peach's baby, but clearly isn't the very Bowser looking baby being handed to him.

Essentially, Mario = pwnt

It makes sense now that you've explained it. The problem I had is it was in an avatar no bigger than a postage stamp, and I guess my eyes aren't that good... I could make out Peach's legs spread apart and it looked to me like Mario was reaching between them. I could see that little baby thing, but that's the thing I couldn't make out what it was. I thought it was Toad or something.

Mario is holding his hands in the air with an expression like he is saying, "WTF."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 30, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
I wasn't sure where to put this, but I know Kytim will be happy

Sega bringing out Saturn Ports? (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/30/sega_saturn_downloads/)
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Sega's Yosuke Okunari, producer of the Dreamcast re-releases and former producer of the Sega Ages 2500 series of remakes/re-releases, offers hope in an interview that was posted today at Impress Watch.

The site asked Okunari why Sega jumped from Genesis directly to Dreamcast. "When you look globally," responded Okunari, "the Genesis and Dreamcast are well known, but Saturn is unknown. During that period, PlayStation and Nintendo 64 were a success overseas, but to be honest Saturn was not a success. Because of this, we decided on Dreamcast."

There's hope, though. Continued Okunari, "It's not that we're ignoring Saturn I think you can see this, considering that we ported Nights Into Dreams and other titles." He's referring herr to a 2008 PlayStation 2 updated port of Nights.

Impress Watch pressed further, asking if we can look forward to Saturn titles as future download releases. Replied Okunari, "What we announced this time is a project where we will have consecutive releases of titles that were debuted on Dreamcast. Separate from this, we're of course thinking about ports of Saturn games. It's the same as how Sega Ages and Virtual Console were separate existences. It's not that we have no intention of porting Saturn titles, so please share your requests."


Could there be some Saturn Virtual Console(PSN&XBLA) games on the way?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on June 30, 2010, 02:48:42 PM
Please be XBLA exclusive ... Please be XBLA exclusive ...
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 30, 2010, 03:31:45 PM
Please be XBLA exclusive ... Please be XBLA exclusive ...

That would be the worst idea i've heard since Sony announced the PSP Go.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on June 30, 2010, 03:45:39 PM
That depends on if you want to play Saturn games or if you just want to piss off Kytim.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 30, 2010, 03:54:34 PM
Wait, why did my score go from +1 to -1? This karma system needs to be revamped so you see who gives/takes points and for what.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on June 30, 2010, 04:05:31 PM
Wait, why did my score go from +1 to -1?

I docked you a point because you said something that annoyed me in TalkBack.  Not sure what happened to the other point.

This karma system needs to be revamped so you see who gives/takes points and for what.

It's funnier if you don't know.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 30, 2010, 04:20:39 PM
First of all, why is my kerma points at negative one?
 
Thanks BnM for the news. Trust me, I have a smile from ear to ear at the thought of Saturn emulation coming in the future. However, I do not want it just for the PSN/360. I want it for the wii, or for the wii 2. I am willing to wait a few more years for the wii 2 to come out and SEGA allows Saturn and Dreamcast emulation on the device.
 
One might wonder why I want the saturn on wii? There are several reasons. First, I like the design aestic of the console's shell and I like the controller. Second, I want an easy access to all of its rare games without paying a large ransom for them. Third, if I were to buy those games, I do not want my cabinet cluttered up with gaes of yester year when I can them in digital form on my PS3, wii, or wii 2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 30, 2010, 06:09:52 PM
This karma system needs to be revamped so you see who gives/takes points and for what.
It's pretty simple: you either said something which annoyed Vudu, or he was in the mood to give a -1 just for the lolz. There's no appeasing him, so don't bother trying.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on June 30, 2010, 06:32:43 PM
That's not true--judging from the positive karma I've been handing out I really have a hard on for Zap and Insanolord.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 30, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
That's not true--judging from the positive karma I've been handing out I really have a hard on for Zap and Insanolord.

There is never any chance of my karma ever going above zero, ever. ;D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on June 30, 2010, 06:49:58 PM
Tell you what--for every three days you can go without asking about Rare or Saturn games coming out on VC or suggesting that a third party port some random game to 3DS, I'll give you a point.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on June 30, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
I'd really like to see Nights on the 3DS, what do you think, Kytim?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 30, 2010, 07:51:01 PM
I'd really like to see Nights on the 3DS, what do you think, Kytim?

I would prfer all the older SEGA games to be in digital form because they are now defunct hardware company. The only new thing I am looking out for from SEGA is Sonic Chronicles 2. I have been waiting for that game fo two tears now.
 
What I want ported to the 3DS is non-first party Playstation games like Parasite Eve 1 and 2, Xenogears, the Final Fantasies for that system, among others. Yes, I could just a PSP and PS3 and play those games on the go, but the 3DS offers something new.
 
I am considering retiring from this forum, I am still debating, but I just feel like I can not do much more here and need to move on.  I was on the Bioware forum for about a year until I fiannly left there.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on June 30, 2010, 07:57:39 PM
If you can't do more than complain about VC games, I will buy you a gold watch and throw you a retirement party :(
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 30, 2010, 08:11:05 PM
If you can't do more than complain about VC games, I will buy you a gold watch and throw you a retirement party :(

I have commented on several topics and I am getting burned out on all the bull**** other stuff. It is just that I feel as though I have nothing to offer this forum in regards to news or opinions even if I never brought up any of my arguments to begin with.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 30, 2010, 08:29:54 PM
you have innocent naivete to offer, that is always good. I'm sure after a while you'll be a hardened veteran.

I think KY is right on Sega products though.. My Nintendo products still work, and my Sega products don't.

My Genesis doesn't work because the power adapter for it doesn't work. My gamegear worked perfectly and then one day the screen was all screwed up. My nomad has staying on problems, and only really works if it stays perfectly still.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 30, 2010, 09:20:27 PM
you have innocent naivete to offer, that is always good. I'm sure after a while you'll be a hardened veteran.

I think KY is right on Sega products though.. My Nintendo products still work, and my Sega products don't.

My Genesis doesn't work because the power adapter for it doesn't work. My gamegear worked perfectly and then one day the screen was all screwed up. My nomad has staying on problems, and only really works if it stays perfectly still.

I find older consoles to be harder to manage than newer consoles. It is also cumbersome to have a bunch of consoles lying around cluttering up my room when I could have all the older consoles on one single system. Secondly, if you own a SEGA console and something breaks, who are you going to get to fix it? That is why I prefer Nintendo emulating these system with their own harware. If something breaks, Nintendo is there to repair your system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 30, 2010, 10:01:54 PM
Nintendo is great for fixing consoles. Hell, Nintendo was still letting people send in NES's to be repaired until 2007. 13 years after the final NES came out and they were still willing to fix systems for people.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 30, 2010, 10:06:15 PM
yeah, plus its pretty easy to fix yourself. It was in 2003 when i ordered a replacement part for my NES. Since then it works great, except now Tengen style games don't work.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 30, 2010, 10:45:07 PM
That's not true--judging from the positive karma I've been handing out I really have a hard on for Zap and Insanolord.

I like you too, just not in that way.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 01, 2010, 01:10:04 AM
Nintendo is great for fixing consoles. Hell, Nintendo was still letting people send in NES's to be repaired until 2007. 13 years after the final NES came out and they were still willing to fix systems for people.

I heard the only reason they stopped doing that was because of the inevitable shortage of NES parts.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on July 01, 2010, 02:38:40 AM
rumor

simple black and white touch screen in next controller

ok i just made it up, but sega did a similar thing with dreamcast

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/theultimateperm/mockup3-1.jpg)\

quick mockup!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on July 01, 2010, 03:02:09 AM
TiVo buttons?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on July 01, 2010, 03:04:46 AM
yeah, i just patched up a previous mockup

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31055.msg619921#msg619921

which was really just an update of a mockup i made when revolution was first unveiled

http://www.tetrametrics.com/theperm/Images/rev/kidney.jpg
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on July 01, 2010, 03:52:57 AM
It's astonishing how your ideas continually continue to get worse and worse. You'd think there would be some sort of improvement or even a plateau after all these years, but you just seem to keep striving to think of the worst idea of all-time.
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Post by: Stratos on July 01, 2010, 05:25:18 AM
I like the idea...I know it's probably impractical, but I always thought that was one of the cooler features of the Dreamcast.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on July 01, 2010, 06:24:44 AM
i didn't come up with the touch screen button idea

thats was pre-revolution days someone mentioned that.

I think it would be cool if there was a touch screen in the controller, then developers could handle menu systems outside of the game which saves buttons.
So, i added it, but then i saw the gold potential of a semi handheld device. Turn it sideways and its also a GAMEBOY mini. Actually considering the mini they could probably make a screen in color for cheap. pre-revolution/wii days it would have been a wavebird with a screen.

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/theultimateperm/mockup4.jpg)(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/theultimateperm/mockup5.jpg)(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/theultimateperm/mockup6.jpg)(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/theultimateperm/mockup7.jpg)
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Post by: Dasmos on July 01, 2010, 08:06:20 AM
I think I'm coming around to this screen idea, I mean how good does that 4th one look?

lol you're a ***
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: vudu on July 01, 2010, 10:37:50 AM
Let's not resort to name calling, okay?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on July 01, 2010, 10:46:43 AM
well tell him to delete photos of me off his computer, it's creepy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on July 01, 2010, 12:03:36 PM
i take no offense to his comment, we have a banter. Its back and forth and its harsh. But no dandelions were harmed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on July 01, 2010, 12:59:30 PM
Ya know, I think Nintendo needs to go the route of Sony's integration of "trophies" for their next console.  But instead of trophies, use the one item that symbolizes greatness in Mario games -- the power star.

Nintendo could classify "achievements" in games through the use of stars.

Bronze stars
Silver stars
Gold stars
Grand/Platinum/Green stars

It would give the online infrastructure a very "Nintendo" styled feel.  I'm sure game devs would immediately latch on to this just as they have the trophy system set in place on Sony's system.

Plus, it'd be really cool to converse with other Nintendo console owners, too. "Hey, man, how many stars do you have?!" "Did you unlock the two gold stars in the new Prince of Persia game?!" Or something of that nature... you know what I mean. :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2010, 01:08:15 PM
Honestly, I just started playing with Achievements (Steam) and it's been pretty fun knowing I'm trying to do certain things or do them a certain way as it gives me a secondary and very optional challenge to beat while playing.

Some are things I wouldn't have really thought to do on my own, some are things I would've done anyway and some are just stupid out of the way task that have no effect on the game.

If they did do an awards system, I hope those awards convert into some sort of Secondary Club Points reward system. Maybe used towards for DLC or other game specific perks.
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Post by: ThePerm on July 01, 2010, 01:23:15 PM
for new ideas

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=12933.0

try old ideas
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on July 01, 2010, 01:39:50 PM
You got the boomerang!  Have a star!

You killed 100 chuchus!  Have a star!

I'm not a big fan of achievements, at least not how they're incorporated in most games.
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Post by: Sarail on July 01, 2010, 05:49:34 PM
"Star get!" is what I'm shooting for.  :)

But yes, incorporate some sort of Club Nintendo feature to go along with playing to obtain unlockable "stars" in games.  Maybe add coins to your Club Nintendo account? There's lots of possibilities, really.
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Post by: TheBlackCat on July 01, 2010, 09:50:44 PM
I think a small low-res color screen is possible, but I doubt they could use a touch screen without making the controller too expensive.  I also don't see much of an advantage to a touch screen, since it would require taking yours eyes off the screen for too long to do anything, and it would require taking your hand off the controller or at least move it a considerable distance. 

I could see a small regular screen being useful though, especially if it had two soft buttons and an "ok" button like a cell phone.  For instance it could display secret information in a multi-player game, be used to display your inventory (like one of the DS screens often is used for now), and so on. 

If the wii2 is using bluetooth it is unlikely that there is enough bandwidth to show live video of any quality.  The images would either need to be loaded into the remote's memory early on, or it would need to be small, fairly simple images (like icons) with few colors that can be sent over one-at-a-time when they are needed.  On the other hand, if the wii2 ends up using wireless USB instead then the bandwidth would probably be enough to stream live video with the sort of low resolution you would see on such a screen.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 03, 2010, 08:28:50 AM
Controllers with touch screens would be cool, and I'm sure there are lots of stuff you could do with that. But wouldn't that make the controllers cost like $70-$99 or something? That's the downside.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 03, 2010, 01:20:45 PM
Well, they'd have a few years to work the cost factors out. If they can make a portable 3D gaming machine at a (presumably) reasonable price, then why not this?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 03, 2010, 01:23:19 PM
If you want $100+ controllers, then yeah it's reasonable.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2010, 02:02:47 PM
I'm sure Nintendo gets touch screens dirt cheap at this point.

They could cut each DSL/XL Touch screen into 4/8 controller touch screens making them even cheaper per screen.
I see it as possible, but not likely.

besides, wouldn't that be and even bigger drain on the wiimote+ 2.0 battery?
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Post by: King of Twitch on July 03, 2010, 03:17:33 PM
They could always sell it as an add-on 2 years down the road as it gets cheaper













and then only use it for one game
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 03, 2010, 08:33:40 PM
It would make more sense if they just used the NDS (or 3DS) as a controller. BTW, wasn't that something Nintendo said they were going to do anyway at some point? I can almost swear I remember before the Wii came out Nintendo hinting at or outright saying that the NDS would be able to link up to it. So far we haven't seen that, but if we did that could fill in as the touchscreen controller and be more justifiable to purchase than a $100 controller, because the NDS isn't just a controller but also a complete handheld system with a huge library.
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Post by: Stratos on July 03, 2010, 09:41:42 PM
It would make more sense if they just used the NDS (or 3DS) as a controller. BTW, wasn't that something Nintendo said they were going to do anyway at some point? I can almost swear I remember before the Wii came out Nintendo hinting at or outright saying that the NDS would be able to link up to it. So far we haven't seen that, but if we did that could fill in as the touchscreen controller and be more justifiable to purchase than a $100 controller, because the NDS isn't just a controller but also a complete handheld system with a huge library.

Well, remember some have talked about hooking the 3DS up to a TV to play games like it were a console. You could even theoretically have Wiimotes sync to it if it is Bluetooth compatible.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 03, 2010, 10:58:11 PM
The DS actually HAS been used as a controller for Wii, but I think in like like only 2 or 3 games. I know you could use it as a controller for battles in Pokemon Battle Revolution, I think even the GC-GBA cable had more support than the Wii-DS link.
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Post by: ThePerm on July 03, 2010, 11:02:17 PM
yeah its quite odd

its really surprising Nintendo didn't do as much with connectivity this generation as last. I liked GBA/GCN connectivity. Four Swords was a blast
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Post by: Mop it up on July 03, 2010, 11:18:52 PM
BTW, wasn't that something Nintendo said they were going to do anyway at some point? I can almost swear I remember before the Wii came out Nintendo hinting at or outright saying that the NDS would be able to link up to it.
The DS can link up to the Wii, and this is already being used in a way: DS game demos can be downloaded from the Nintendo Channel. I do vaguely remember Nintendo saying that the Wii has the capability to connect with the DS, but I don't think they ever gave any specifics on what that connection could be used for, or that they had any plans to use it for games. I don't feel like searching threads from 2006 to find out.

EDIT: Meh, I took over 20 minutes to post this. Looks like there was a game that used it!
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Post by: Stratos on July 04, 2010, 02:21:35 AM
I don't know why we haven't seen a new 4 Swords that uses it. I'm also surprised we never got a true sequel to the original FFCC that used both. Instead we got odd spin offs.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 04, 2010, 11:31:43 AM
I am quite surprised as well.  I figured that was an obvious WiiWare Title.  With online, and DS support for local play it would have been great.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 04, 2010, 03:13:57 PM
With all of their talk about connectivity during the GameCube era, you'd think they would have followed up on it with Wii and DS, especially given the popularity of both, and that no linking accessory is required. I guess it really was their answer to online play.
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Post by: noname2200 on July 04, 2010, 05:01:43 PM
With all of their talk about connectivity during the GameCube era, you'd think they would have followed up on it with Wii and DS, especially given the popularity of both, and that no linking accessory is required. I guess it really was their answer to online play.

I think it was more that Nintendo was desperately trying to prop up the less successful system with the very successful system.  That's less necessary here, so Nintendo is less interested as a result.  I find it revealing that the only Nintendo title that used linking was far in development before it became clear that the Wii was going to be a success.
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Post by: Stratos on July 04, 2010, 09:33:58 PM
Pokemon Battle Revolution, correct?

I am quite surprised as well.  I figured that was an obvious WiiWare Title.  With online, and DS support for local play it would have been great.

I vaguely remember Miyamoto commenting that he would like to make a new 4 Swords and was working on one. So either that fell by the wayside or it was merely an experimental project that didn't turn out.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 05, 2010, 11:54:05 AM
With all of their talk about connectivity during the GameCube era, you'd think they would have followed up on it with Wii and DS, especially given the popularity of both, and that no linking accessory is required. I guess it really was their answer to online play.

True... I guess the reason is because the GC really needed something to distinguish itself from the competition, and Nintendo (at that time) was the only one who made a handheld system, and because the GBA was far more popular than the GC Nintendo was probably thinking that by tying the two systems together as much as possible would help boost the GC's popularity just because of its association with the GBA.

It would be interesting to find out exactly what sort of impact the GBA connectivity did have on GC's sales. Obviously, since the GC was in third place it didn't have as much effect as Nintendo may have hoped, but even so its possible that the GC would have been even worse off than it was without that connectivity. If you think about it, people who owned a GBA might pick up some games and read on the box about how it can link up to the GC with extra content and stuff, and that may have motivated them to buy a GC just for that reason.

Of course with the Wii and DS, both systems are number one in their field so Nintendo doesn't really need to boost the sales of one by tying it to the other. But the installed base of both systems are so very high that it would make a lot of sense to do connectivity, because odds are pretty good that someone who owns one will also own the other too and won't need to make an extra hardware purchase for it to happen.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 05, 2010, 01:14:22 PM
I think the GBA-GC connectivity had two big problems.

1. The association with multiplayer games.  So I have to play with four friends that not only all own GBAs but also own the link cable that does not come with the GBA so I have to ask them to buy one just for this one game?  The requirements to play four player Crystal Chronicles or Four Swords was nuts.  If you want to talk about hardcore gaming, there you go.  Only the most hardcore would be able to organize a full four player game.  And this is supposed to be this big Cube selling point?  It also didn't help that Cyrstal Chronicles was a lame ass game.

2. Nintendo decided to market this as a replacement for online gaming.  This was a feature that was really designed just as an interesting novelty.  It was too limited to replace online.  So instead of being seen as a neat feature it was seen as a lame piece of ****.  It had to meet higher requirements and it failed at that so it had a negative association.  And the irony of it all was that the huge hassle of getting a four player connectivity going made you long for online MORE.  These were games that made you think "boy this would be awesome online."  That's probably the exact opposite impression Nintendo wanted to make.  Plus not going online was seen as this frustrating backwards stupid decision and connectivity became a symbol of that.

So I can see why Nintendo has not made a big deal about the DS connecting with the Wii.  Connectivity has a negative image.  Why remind people that Nintendo had their head in the sand about online gaming for a whole generation?  The whole thing is seen as a lame feature so NOT having it as a bullet point is probably better.

But at the same time bringing it back now would make sense since a lot of time has passed.  They also attracted a lot of new customers with the DS and Wii so they would reboot the feature with an audience that doesn't have a negative association with the concept.
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Post by: Stratos on July 05, 2010, 03:28:17 PM
Crystal Chronicles was an awesome game. Very fun to play.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 05, 2010, 03:58:20 PM
I didn't play CC, but I heard the multiplayer was fun but the single player was awful.

I think connectivity could help boost the sales of games, I know some people who bought Pokemon Battle Revolution just because you could buy rare items/berries in it and get a Surfing Pikachu that could be transferred to Diamond/Pearl.
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Post by: noname2200 on July 05, 2010, 06:05:32 PM
Pokemon Battle Revolution, correct?

That's the one.  Admittedly, I'm probably overlooking a game or two.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 05, 2010, 11:27:44 PM
I'm still waiting for a Pac Man Vs. WiiWare game that connects to the DS.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 06, 2010, 12:38:23 AM
I have actually heared that you can link up your GBA to the wii's Gamecube port and play such games as Crystal Chronicles and various others as if it was a Gamecube and not a wii. I do not know if that is true or not, but it seems pretty cool.
 
I wish Nintendo would allow some kind of adapter for the wii that allows you play all the GBA games on that console. Basically, something like the GBA player for the Gamecube, but it would be smaller and would plug into the USB port on the back of the wii. I imagine Nintendo would have to release some kind of Gameboy channel via firmware update, but it would not be too hard on their part. They could also relase an adapter that allows the GBA gamcube player to plug into the wii's USB port, but this does not seem pratical for Nintendo to do.
 
I actually have Tacics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together for the GBA and no way to play it. I sold my GBA ages ago, I do not have a DS Lite ant more, and I sold my Gamecube and and the GBA player as a down payment for my DSi. I am up **** creek without a paddle and I refuse to rebuy any of this hard ware to just play a handful of games.
 
 
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 06, 2010, 01:06:12 AM
I have actually heared that you can link up your GBA to the wii's Gamecube port and play such games as Crystal Chronicles and various others as if it was a Gamecube and not a wii. I do not know if that is true or not, but it seems pretty cool.

You mean that you can use the Wii like a Gamecube when it's in Gamecube mode?
....That sounds, interesting, please tell me more
 
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 06, 2010, 01:12:35 AM
I have actually heared that you can link up your GBA to the wii's Gamecube port and play such games as Crystal Chronicles and various others as if it was a Gamecube and not a wii. I do not know if that is true or not, but it seems pretty cool.

You mean that you can use the Wii like a Gamecube when it's in Gamecube mode?
....That sounds, interesting, please tell me more

You can even hook up Gamecube memory cards and controllers as well. It is as if there is a Gamecube inside the wii! I am going to disasemble my wii and find out! The I will have two consoles to play games on. Think of the possibilities? LOL. ;D
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Post by: Stratos on July 06, 2010, 04:52:40 AM
When I first got my Wii the first thing I did was play Beyond Good and Evil on it. Just to be contrary.
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Post by: vudu on July 06, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
You can even hook up Gamecube memory cards and controllers as well. It is as if there is a Gamecube inside the wii! I am going to disasemble my wii and find out! The I will have two consoles to play games on. Think of the possibilities? LOL. ;D

If you do this and take pics I'll give you 10 points.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 06, 2010, 01:34:16 PM
I think the GBA-GC connectivity had two big problems.

1. The association with multiplayer games.  So I have to play with four friends that not only all own GBAs but also own the link cable that does not come with the GBA so I have to ask them to buy one just for this one game?  The requirements to play four player Crystal Chronicles or Four Swords was nuts.  If you want to talk about hardcore gaming, there you go.  Only the most hardcore would be able to organize a full four player game.  And this is supposed to be this big Cube selling point?  It also didn't help that Cyrstal Chronicles was a lame ass game.

2. Nintendo decided to market this as a replacement for online gaming.  This was a feature that was really designed just as an interesting novelty.  It was too limited to replace online.  So instead of being seen as a neat feature it was seen as a lame piece of ****.  It had to meet higher requirements and it failed at that so it had a negative association.  And the irony of it all was that the huge hassle of getting a four player connectivity going made you long for online MORE.  These were games that made you think "boy this would be awesome online."  That's probably the exact opposite impression Nintendo wanted to make.  Plus not going online was seen as this frustrating backwards stupid decision and connectivity became a symbol of that.

So I can see why Nintendo has not made a big deal about the DS connecting with the Wii.  Connectivity has a negative image.  Why remind people that Nintendo had their head in the sand about online gaming for a whole generation?  The whole thing is seen as a lame feature so NOT having it as a bullet point is probably better.

But at the same time bringing it back now would make sense since a lot of time has passed.  They also attracted a lot of new customers with the DS and Wii so they would reboot the feature with an audience that doesn't have a negative association with the concept.

I agree it was a logistical nightmare to be able to have all the systems, link cables, players, and copies of the game in the same room at the same time for that sort of stuff to happen. It sucked, and it might have been a cool feature but because of the logistics involved it wasn't something that was used very often.

However, this generation solves the logistics of all that in several ways. Number one, for many games on the DS you can do multiplayer with just a single cart. That means not everyone has to have their own copy, which is great. The other thing is it is now done wirelessly which means you don't need to mess with purchasing and hauling around tethering link cables anymore. So for those two reasons that connectivity stuff is a lot easier these days. Unfortunately, being easier hasn't caused it to happen more often...
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Post by: Peachylala on July 06, 2010, 01:35:02 PM
Namco Museum DS.

Pac-Man Vs.

IT WILL TAKE YOUR LIFE.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 06, 2010, 01:52:53 PM
Pac-Man Vs. was the original Wii Music.  They spent like 80% of their E3 conference that year talking about it and then were utterly shocked that everyone **** on them for it.  Pac-Man Vs. was never even sold as a standalone game.  I don't know what their business plan for that was.  These days it would have worked well as an online WiiWare game.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 06, 2010, 02:04:30 PM
It didn't deserve being the centerpiece of an E3, but it's a damn fine game; I'd go as far as to say it's one of the best multiplayer games on the GameCube.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 06, 2010, 02:16:50 PM
You can even hook up Gamecube memory cards and controllers as well. It is as if there is a Gamecube inside the wii! I am going to disasemble my wii and find out! The I will have two consoles to play games on. Think of the possibilities? LOL. ;D

If you do this and take pics I'll give you 10 points.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/8yxe9z.jpg)
 
(http://i48.tinypic.com/r7of20.jpg)
 
I finally dissasembled my wii and while I was doing it this Gamecube was literally trying to fight its way out. Vudu, give me my ten points, please!
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Post by: vudu on July 06, 2010, 02:20:38 PM
I don't believe you--but I'll give you one point for not making me cringe.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 06, 2010, 02:22:39 PM
I don't believe you--but I'll give you one point for not making me cringe.

I now feel cheated, Vudu. You owe me nine more points. I kept my end of the bargain, I expect you to do the same.  :cool;
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Post by: vudu on July 06, 2010, 07:08:45 PM
I kept my end of the bargain, I expect you to do the same.  :cool;

Herein lies your downfall.  I was willing to play along at first, but if you insist on continuing this little charade it will be your undoing.

You might put stickers on your Wii to prevent theft (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31824.msg622136#msg622136) but I can use those same stickers to ensure that it is truly your Wii system that has been dissected and made into a GameCube.

I demand that you provide pictures of your disassembled Wii with stickers or I shall smite you ten times over.  You have 24 hours to comply.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 06, 2010, 08:12:28 PM
However, this generation solves the logistics of all that in several ways. Number one, for many games on the DS you can do multiplayer with just a single cart. That means not everyone has to have their own copy, which is great.
Connectivity didn't require everyone have their own game, it was only the one GameCube game.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 06, 2010, 08:32:08 PM
I kept my end of the bargain, I expect you to do the same.  :cool;

Herein lies your downfall.  I was willing to play along at first, but if you insist on continuing this little charade it will be your undoing.

You might put stickers on your Wii to prevent theft (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31824.msg622136#msg622136) but I can use those same stickers to ensure that it is truly your Wii system that has been dissected and made into a GameCube.

I demand that you provide pictures of your disassembled Wii with stickers or I shall smite you ten times over.  You have 24 hours to comply.

I simply removed the stickers and thew them away.
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Post by: Dasmos on July 06, 2010, 11:07:09 PM
No.

You didn't.

But you should.

They look horrible.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 07, 2010, 12:34:00 AM
No.

You didn't.

But you should.

They look horrible.

It was shitty paint job, but I intend to make it better.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 07, 2010, 01:52:06 AM
http://kotaku.com/5581031/nintendo-wants-people-to-take-their-miis-to-new-systems (http://kotaku.com/5581031/nintendo-wants-people-to-take-their-miis-to-new-systems)
 
Nintendo is apparently interested in allowing miis to be transferred over to future Nintendo systems, nd possibly the 3DS. This might give a glimmer of hope for those who want to be able to transfer their VC, wiiware and DSiware to future systems.
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Post by: King of Twitch on July 07, 2010, 01:53:20 AM
Maybe not, since you know, Miis are free and VC games cost money?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 07, 2010, 03:58:57 AM
and I can already transfer Miis inbetween systems, unlike certain game saves and downloadable games.
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Post by: Sarail on July 07, 2010, 11:17:00 AM
I really hope they upgrade the Miis to make them a little more detailed. Microsoft's "avatars" were obviously a complete theft of Nintendo's idea by Rare, so I'd like to see them take the "Mii" idea even further. Make them highly customizable.


EDIT:  I'm working on a new controller design that I'll post a link to later this afternoon if I can find some extra time. Just how I feel Nintendo should direct its next controller in..
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 07, 2010, 01:07:17 PM
I really hope they upgrade the Miis to make them a little more detailed. Microsoft's "avatars" were obviously a complete theft of Nintendo's idea by Rare, so I'd like to see them take the "Mii" idea even further. Make them highly customizable.

More facial features, accessories(glasses hats, earrings) and some custom clothing including shoes would be great.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 07, 2010, 03:47:00 PM
I really hope they upgrade the Miis to make them a little more detailed. Microsoft's "avatars" were obviously a complete theft of Nintendo's idea by Rare, so I'd like to see them take the "Mii" idea even further. Make them highly customizable.

More facial features, accessories(glasses hats, earrings) and some custom clothing including shoes would be great.


That's what I've been wanting. I don't need my Miis to be "HD" (though, that'd be nice), but it would give me a lot more options just to have mores hairstyles and mouths to work with.
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Post by: Sarail on July 07, 2010, 04:51:33 PM

My Controller Design for Nintendo's Next-Gen Console
 (http://pages.suddenlink.net/ryanclayton/controllerdesign-web.jpg)

I think this design attacks the best of both worlds for core/casual gamers.  It gives plenty of options for devs and also allows compatibility with ANY previous Virtual Console/WiiWare title.  AND it eliminates clutter.  No more goofy and ridiculously absurd peripherals and add-ons. Keep it simple, and keep it focused.  That's what this controller design excels at.

I'll email Nintendo of Japan now. :)
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Post by: TheBlackCat on July 07, 2010, 05:35:52 PM
I don't think the Wii2 will use IR anymore, it will probably use gyros like in wii motion plus.  That mockup also looks fairly uncomfortable, either the handles will be too short to serve as a wii remote or too long to be easy to handle as a traditional controller.  Also, when separated the D pad and second trigger will become essentially inaccessible, resulting in the wii remote portion not having any usable direction control.

I personally expect the wii2 remote to be fairly similar, but using gyros to eliminate the need for the IR pointer (if they can avoid the need for constant calibration).  They may keep the IR pointer for backwards compatibility, though (this shouldn't be necessary, if they use a dual-core system they could put an emulation layer in there, but that may be more work than Nintendo is willing to do).  It may have a microphone, and will likely have a lot more memory (probably similar to the Wii now).  I doubt it would have a screen, but if it did it would probably be a small, low-res, color, screen without touch capability.  And I expect something like the Nyko controller's ability for addons to duplicate button presses on the remote.  There is also a change they may replace the D-pad with something like the 3Ds nub.  They may also add another two small buttons next to the A button, perhaps just duplicates of the 1+2 buttons.  Another possibility is a slider either on the side or around the A button for adjusting 3D depth, similar to the 3DS, or some sort of spinner which can also have its four direction pressed.

I expect the nunchuck to also remain mostly the same, perhaps with two buttons near the joystick, but remain wired.  I doubt it would get gyros, but it might.

I would hope they will release something like the classic controller pro with accelerometers and its own dedicated bluetooth connection.  I doubt the design would change too much from that.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 07, 2010, 05:44:40 PM
Rachtman, I like your controller mock-up but it has the one "problem" that justified the Wii remote's whole design - it looks exactly like those typical controllers that were apparently too confusing for people.  Your design looks great and looks very functional and ergonomic, but that was never the plan with the Wii to begin with.  Nintendo designed the Wii controller to look like a TV remote because they felt the mainstream would identify with it more.  Everything else took a backseat.
 
So this removes the one thing that Nintendo felt was the most important part of the Wii controller design and I'm sure they figure that design was a key part of the Wii's success and that removing it would scare away some of the new audience they've attracted.  I think they assume people are much more helpless than they really are and that your controller would have minimal negative effect on sales.  But they won't think that.
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Post by: Sarail on July 07, 2010, 05:55:35 PM
I don't think the Wii2 will use IR anymore, it will probably use gyros like in wii motion plus.  That mockup also looks fairly uncomfortable, either the handles will be too short to serve as a wii remote or too long to be easy to handle as a traditional controller.  Also, when separated the D pad and second trigger will become essentially inaccessible, resulting in the wii remote portion not having any usable direction control.
And in saying that, you're talking about casual-only games that focus JUST on the remote. And how many casual-only oriented games do you know of that use the D-pad for directional purposes?  I know of none off-hand.

And secondly, when separated, the Z-trigger on the back instantly becomes used like the B button trigger on the current Wii remote. So the four buttons on top could be used just as the D-pad on the Wii remote is used now -- for short, simple commands (if any at all) in casual games.

Rachtman, I like your controller mock-up but it has the one "problem" that justified the Wii remote's whole design - it looks exactly like those typical controllers that were apparently too confusing for people.  Your design looks great and looks very functional and ergonomic, but that was never the plan with the Wii to begin with.  Nintendo designed the Wii controller to look like a TV remote because they felt the mainstream would identify with it more.  Everything else took a backseat.
Not really, Ian. What's the one thing most casual games do anyway? Waggle. Once separated, how is this any different from the Wii remote? Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, don't most normal TV/DVD/etc remotes have MANY more buttons than a Wii remote?  Having four face buttons, an R button, and a Z-trigger are hardly complicated or confusing.

My drawing may be a bit rough, but I designed with the ergonomic feel of the GameCube controller in mind -- which is much more comfortable in the hands than the Wii remote is (thus the slightly curved handles). This design also allows all of the buttons to be within reach...and that's another thing the current Wii remote fails at.
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Post by: Adrock on July 07, 2010, 06:31:24 PM
I'm against the idea of just taking the right side of a Gamecube/PS2 controller as a substitute for the Wii remote. I can't see that working because that changes how the controller is held. Swinging it like a baseball bat seems far more cumbersome. The remote still needs to be in the shape of a remote, though Nintendo could round the edges to make it more comfortable to hold for longer periods of time. I understand Nintendo's logic in meeting the familiarity of a tv remote control, but that logic begins to falter once function comes into play. A videogame controller is held the entire time one engages with the videogame which is unlike changing the channel or adjusting the volume. In short, the curved design of the Playstation Move controller is probably comfortable than the strictly rectangular Wii remote.

I never thought the number of buttons really affected the accessibility of the Wii remote. It was more about shape and function. You see someone swinging a a remote-esque controller rather than pressing buttons. That said, the remote can double as the right side of a traditional controller with more buttons and an analog stick without alienating people. The nunchuck should incorporate the d-pad which would eliminate the need to turn the remote sideways while also negating the classic controller. I feel like that's the best compromise.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 07, 2010, 06:43:45 PM
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Not really, Ian. What's the one thing most casual games do anyway? Waggle. Once separated, how is this any different from the Wii remote? Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, don't most normal TV/DVD/etc remotes have MANY more buttons than a Wii remote?  Having four face buttons, an R button, and a Z-trigger are hardly complicated or confusing.

You're preaching to the choir here.  I agree.  This isn't much different and it isn't confusing.  But then I don't think any of the previous controllers (except for the Atari Jaguar's, hee hee) are confusing.
 
The difference is the shape and I know Nintendo won't go for something that, more or less, looks like a controller.  I think to design a Wii 2 controller that is pleasing to Nintendo's marketing department and provides the functionality we desire, you have to start with the nunchuk/remote combo and figure out how to put all those missing buttons back while maintaining the current aesthetics.
 
I would be fine if Nintendo just included the damn classic controller with the system next time.  If it's there as a standard that developers know everyone has then they'll use it when appropriate.  You don't have to shoehorn your controls into a waggle mess if the option to not use the remote at all is available.  It isn't available right now because the CC is an optional accessory.
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Post by: ThePerm on July 07, 2010, 07:45:07 PM
i had an Atari jaguar

it was great! You only really used the three face buttons anyways

i was dumb one day and plugged it into the wrong ac adapter, Tiger direct took it back, but they didn't give me a new one they just gave me a $50 store credit which expired.
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Post by: Stogi on July 07, 2010, 10:14:14 PM

My Controller Design for Nintendo's Next-Gen Console
 (http://pages.suddenlink.net/ryanclayton/controllerdesign-web.jpg)

I think this design attacks the best of both worlds for core/casual gamers.  It gives plenty of options for devs and also allows compatibility with ANY previous Virtual Console/WiiWare title.  AND it eliminates clutter.  No more goofy and ridiculously absurd peripherals and add-ons. Keep it simple, and keep it focused.  That's what this controller design excels at.

I'll email Nintendo of Japan now. :)

HAHAHA hah AHA hAhha AHHAHhahAHHAHAHahahaHAHahahhaaHAAHHHHHHAHHAhahah

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9757/124694677962.jpg)

I swear to you that I made the exact same mock-up....get this....6 years ago! hahahahahahaha
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Post by: Stratos on July 07, 2010, 10:28:56 PM
I had a similar idea back when I played the Virtual Boy. Woe to me for thinking I was getting a deal when Toys R Us sold it to me new for $25. I thought it was a special. I found out a week later it had been discontinued.
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Post by: Toruresu on July 07, 2010, 10:47:39 PM
I bet Nintendo will keep the Wiimote almost identical (maybe even make it compatible with Wii2) and will just bundle the system, with a classic controller thing, what they should have done from the beginning.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on July 07, 2010, 11:05:22 PM
I swear to you that I made the exact same mock-up....get this....6 years ago! hahahahahahaha
I made a very similar one around the time gyroscopes were rumoured to be in the new "Revolution" controller.  I even posted it on this site.

Too bad I didn't save a copy.
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Post by: vudu on July 07, 2010, 11:35:27 PM
From a recent Interview with Sakurai on Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/07/sakurai-interview/):

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Wired.com: Having now done a major console game for Nintendo and a major handheld game, where do you as a designer want to go next, home systems or handhelds?

Sakurai: I’ve never made a game for a high-definition platform. That’s definitely something I’m interested in.

For what it's worth, Sakurai has never designed a game for a non-Nintendo system.  ;)
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Post by: ThePerm on July 08, 2010, 12:22:24 AM
i still haven't got my virtual boy to work! It is a beautiful showpiece though!
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Post by: Stogi on July 08, 2010, 01:34:57 AM
From a recent Interview with Sakurai on Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/07/sakurai-interview/):

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Wired.com: Having now done a major console game for Nintendo and a major handheld game, where do you as a designer want to go next, home systems or handhelds?

Sakurai: I’ve never made a game for a high-definition platform. That’s definitely something I’m interested in.

For what it's worth, Sakurai has never designed a game for a non-Nintendo system.  ;)

And he never will, lest he wants his car to explode.
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Post by: decoyman on July 09, 2010, 10:14:01 AM
Rachtman, I like the design, and I think Ian's concerns can be addressed fairly simply, actually.

1) Move the "seam" (breakaway point) next to the "remote" side. The controllers don't need to be symmetrical. Then you have one remote-shaped piece and one connector/add-on piece.

2) Change the button configuration so it's more like the Gamecube: one main button with some bean-buttons around.

Yeah… could work. :D

edit:mispeled naim lool
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Post by: Sarail on July 09, 2010, 10:30:36 AM
Rachtmann, I like the design, and I think Ian's concerns can be addressed fairly simply, actually.

1) Move the "seam" (breakaway point) next to the "remote" side. The controllers don't need to be symmetrical. Then you have one remote-shaped piece and one connector/add-on piece.

2) Change the button configuration so it's more like the Gamecube: one main button with some bean-buttons around.

Yeah… could work. :D
Hah, I actually thought about moving the "breakaway" point closer to the face button side, but I fought my inner graphic designer thinking and kept it symmetrical.  :P  But yeah, that could work.  And also, for those that are complaining about not having a directional pad on the "remote" side after separating the two...  um, do you NOT see the Slide pad on the right? It's actually designed to be more easily reached by the thumb unlike the D-pad on the Wii remote.

As far as GameCube style button layout? That's a touchy (literally, hah) subject... I do love the 'Cube button layout, but I long so much for Nintendo to return to their SNES style of buttons.  That controller's buttons were perfect. There's a reason why Sony has kept it's controller the same all of these years.  But unlike Sony's controller, the SNES pad had a distinct "feel" to its buttons -- the convex/concave shape of them.  And that made it super easy to feel your way around the controller so that you, as a gamer, always knew what button to push for whichever action.

I'm gonna try to redraw this again this weekend with a few updates -- such as a "Home" button, differently-shaped L and R buttons, and maybe move that breakaway seam over to the right. :P  I may even try to design a 3D polygon model of it, too. Who knows? :)
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Post by: Adrock on July 09, 2010, 05:42:08 PM
But unlike Sony's controller, the SNES pad had a distinct "feel" to its buttons -- the convex/concave shape of them.  And that made it super easy to feel your way around the controller so that you, as a gamer, always knew what button to push for whichever action.
Kudos. I have been saying this for years. I think for most non-gamers/casual gamers, they're rarely ever going to need to press a button other than Start/+ or a trigger. Swinging the remote will always be the main method of command input for them. The convex/concave buttons were highly under-appreciated.
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Post by: Sarail on July 09, 2010, 08:40:10 PM
Hah, I just thought of something silly for an ad campaign.  Nintendo should call its next system the "Six".  The Nintendo Six.

Why?

Because six is better than three.  As in PS3 or 360. Hah.  Too much of a stretch? Yeah, I'm retarded. :P
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 09, 2010, 11:05:00 PM
One of the rumors was that Microsoft didn't call their system Xbox 2 was because they didn't want it to sound inferior to the PlayStation 3, so it's not such a crazy idea.

Maybe Nintendo would take a clue from the NES/SNES and call it Super Wii.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 09, 2010, 11:12:01 PM
One of the rumors was that Microsoft didn't call their system Xbox 2 was because they didn't want it to sound inferior to the PlayStation 3, so it's not such a crazy idea.

Maybe Nintendo would take a clue from the NES/SNES and call it Super Wii.

Wii 64? It could go back to cartridges.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 10, 2010, 01:29:12 AM
I think Nintendo could have a tough time naming their next system, especially if they want to stick with the conventions of the Wii name. One thing they wanted was a name that wouldn't be abbreviated, and adding another word to "Wii" would break that. The Super Wii would be abbreviated SW. Maybe they will call it the Swii.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 10, 2010, 01:54:23 AM
If the next Wii will have 3D capability then it would make sense to name it Wii-D
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Post by: Mop it up on July 10, 2010, 01:59:56 AM
Or maybe WiiDii?

ThriiDii?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 10, 2010, 04:29:56 AM
Thwii Dii
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Post by: Stratos on July 15, 2010, 04:24:05 AM
Both Munna and Musharna give off Dream Smoke, which is described to hold the dreams of Pokémon. By obtaining Dream Smoke, the player is able to use Game Sync to upload their Black and White save file to the Internet.
The High Link is a building in Isshu where the player is able to connect with other players. With this, multiple players may play Black and White together.

Live Caster is a feature where players are able to video chat which includes a pen and stamp to allow editing. This feature is also used by in-game characters from time to time.

Pokémon Global Link is the service that allows the uploading of Black and White save files and has 2 different modes. One mode allows the player's Pokémon to play in a dream, while the other allows the player to battle online. Access to the Global Link is gained by obtaining Musharna, the evolution of Munna.

Is this the first sign of Nintendo using 'cloud' technology for storing game saves and such online?

I'm hoping that this is a sign of what is to come.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2010, 01:15:33 PM
Considering that B&W will have some 3DS forward compatibility, and 3DS will be an influence on Wii2 like DS was on Wii, I think this is a glimpse at what Nintendo not only has planned for the future of the 3DS but the Wii2 as well.

I'm sure the full blown 3DS game to use this feature will be attached to an account and "Dream Smoke" (aka Cloud) computing could be a big part of the future for all 3 next-gen consoles (& the handhelds too)
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 15, 2010, 01:20:17 PM
All DS games have forwards compatibility with 3DS, I haven't seen anything in Black/White that will only work on the 3DS and not at least some DS systems (stuff like Dream Smoke will work on all DS systems, and Live Caster will work on the DSi and DSi XL too).

Still, I love the idea that Nintendo seems to be embracing cloud technology for at least some games. Knowing that you can have a back-up of your save with Nintendo is a great idea that I hope is used by other games.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2010, 01:35:05 PM
All DS games have forwards compatibility with 3DS, I haven't seen anything in Black/White that will only work on the 3DS and not at least some DS systems (stuff like Dream Smoke will work on all DS systems, and Live Caster will work on the DSi and DSi XL too).

ummm..... yeah, I never said they weren't(edit: but they actually aren't), as far as 3DS enhancement, I was referring to an earlier post of mine stating how the Livecaster feature would probably be smoother on 3DS and here I was saying that the first 3DS (only) game to use this "Dream Smoke" will likely be account based since it would make more sense than to tie it to the cartridge or system.

But I also hope that moving forward, it has an autosave feature that will automatically cloud update whenever you get an active internet connection, this also goes for the "achievement" system that I hope Nintendo adopts.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 15, 2010, 01:37:26 PM
My comment was because your wording made it sound like it's unique to B/W about being compatible with 3DS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
And actually I should correct you because there is a difference between Forward Compatibility and Backwards Compatibility.

The 3DS is actually BC with every game the DSi is BC with (mostly excluding games that use the GBA port)
I'm sure all the details for B&W haven't been released yet, but if a game actually has added performance and Features that only work when put into the 3DS (video chat is smoother, SD card loading, maybe the 3D slider will work to some extent, widescreen output, etc etc), then that game is forward compatible.

Since 99.9% of DS games will not have added 3DS features, they are not actually FC with the 3DS, the 3DS is BC with them.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 18, 2010, 02:21:19 PM
What kind of signifcant boost in graphical quality would HD do for wii games?
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Post by: Mop it up on July 18, 2010, 03:18:39 PM
What kind of signifcant boost in graphical quality would HD do for wii games?
If the current Wii had HD and no other differences? It'd actually make things a whole lot worse. The Wii doesn't have the processing power to run at HD resolutions, so if it were somehow possible, it would come at a significantly reduced framerate (probably 1/3. So a 60fps game would run at 20fps, a 30fps game would run at 10fps, etc). A high resolution would also highlight jagged edges, blurry textures, and a host of other eyesores associated with standard definition graphics.
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Post by: Sarail on July 18, 2010, 04:41:27 PM
What kind of signifcant boost in graphical quality would HD do for wii games?

(http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/dolphin2010_05_2812_14qc95.jpg)

This. But yes, it would reduce the framerate drastically.  But the games would look so much better than they do now...at least, games developed by devs who give a rats arse about the Wii.
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Post by: ThePerm on July 18, 2010, 05:00:03 PM
framerate is more important to me then screen resolution
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Post by: Sarail on July 18, 2010, 05:08:52 PM
Hey, as long as I can get a steady 30 fps, I'm good to go. 60 is what I would love all the time, but I'm perfectly content with 30.

I love seeing what the guys with the Dolphin emulator have been doing with Wii and GameCube games.  Amazing.  Makes me really wish the Wii was a bit beefier under the hood, because some of these Wii games (and 'Cube, too!) look astounding.

That said, once again, Nintendo better not skimp out on us next-gen. After all the money that they've made off casual gamers, we better be getting a beast of a system next go around.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 19, 2010, 05:43:50 AM
framerate is more important to me then screen resolution

Gameplay is more important to me than either. But hey, maybe that's just me...
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Post by: ThePerm on July 19, 2010, 05:51:32 AM
cheap shot

gameplay is grossly effected by framerate, Banjo Tooie would be much more fun if it didn't make me nauseous.

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Post by: Sarail on July 19, 2010, 09:59:47 AM
I remember the horridness that was Banjo Tooie's framerate issues.  Almost as bad as Perfect Dark's multiplayer framerate problems.

With all of that said, yes, gameplay is the most important aspect of a game's design IMO, too, and framerate definitely does affect it.  Why some devs can't bring all of these aspects together when creating Wii games is beyond me...


EDIT: I meant "can't".. whoops..
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Post by: Peachylala on July 19, 2010, 12:52:11 PM
Developer experience.
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Post by: Louieturkey on July 19, 2010, 06:54:13 PM
This achievement system idea has me hoping Nintendo will make it available for all Wii2HD and 3DS games and not just Nintendo games or not just a separate system for each console.  I want something like trophies for the PS3 but also includes the PSP along with it where every game can earn the achievements regardless of game maker or the platform it was made for.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 19, 2010, 07:12:10 PM
Framerate is the most important aspect of graphics because it actually can affect the gameplay. A choppy framerate that slows at seemingly random times makes things more difficult. Imagine trying to pull off a careful, steady shot in a shooter with the screen jerking around everywhere...

So, yeah. 60fps is quite important to me. The sacrifices that would have to be made to get a current Wii game to run in HD would not be worth it (I'm not convinced that a reduced framerate would be all), though it doesn't matter anyway because it isn't possible.
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Post by: decoyman on July 21, 2010, 03:48:30 PM
Tangentially-related:
... Wii2HD ...

I wish Nintendo had called the their little box with the blue light the "Vii" instead, if only just so they could call the NEW system the "Wii". I think that'd be an awesome successor name. As it is, the only logical place they can go from "Wii" is "WiiWii."

Obviously.
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Post by: Stogi on July 21, 2010, 03:56:09 PM
Or they could call the next console "Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!"

You know...like when smelling headie nuggets.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 24, 2010, 12:07:20 AM
Apparently the guests on the Jerry Springer show like to play the wii because on three occasions the people on the stage said that they were playing either the wii, or a wii game, before they did their deed that lead them to being the show. Kind of funny?
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Post by: Dasmos on July 26, 2010, 04:25:42 AM
It's kind of sad that you watch Jerry Springer.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 26, 2010, 06:36:50 AM
It's kind of sad that you watch Jerry Springer.

Agreed. I didn't even know Springer was still on the air.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 24, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
No rumors for nearly a month?
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Post by: Mop it up on August 24, 2010, 05:36:20 PM
The summer is usually slow for rumours, plus it usually takes a few months after E3 before rumours start flowing around again.

All I can find is rumours about Nintendo's next system using Blu-Ray, which I think we all know are bogus:

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/08/nintendo_wii_2_rumored_to_come_with_blu-ray_drive.html
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Post by: Adrock on August 24, 2010, 07:14:01 PM
Stranger things have happened. In the past year, Nintendo has admitted that their online structure sucks (in not so many words) and they've actively sought after 3rd party support and feedback for 3DS. I won't subscribe to the Blu-Ray rumor (still a little far fetched); I'm just saying that it's getting hard to predict Nintendo's next move when things we never thought Nintendo would do are actually happening.
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Post by: Stratos on August 24, 2010, 07:21:08 PM
They'd sooner use HD-DVD that go with Blu-Ray. Not a terrible idea considering it's niche usage today. Could probably get the tech for cheap as well.
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Post by: TheBlackCat on August 24, 2010, 08:50:14 PM
They'd sooner use HD-DVD that go with Blu-Ray. Not a terrible idea considering it's niche usage today. Could probably get the tech for cheap as well.

I think the tech would be more expensive for HD-DVD.  The more something is manufactured, the less it costs per unit to build.  This is because there is more competition, more people working on developing cheaper versions of the technology and better manufacturing processes, and larger factories generally have cheaper per-unit costs than small factories (as long as the factory doesn't get too large).
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Post by: Stratos on August 24, 2010, 09:09:20 PM
Good point. I was thinking only from a licensing standpoint.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on August 24, 2010, 09:37:39 PM
They'd sooner use HD-DVD that go with Blu-Ray. Not a terrible idea considering it's niche usage today. Could probably get the tech for cheap as well.

I think the tech would be more expensive for HD-DVD.  The more something is manufactured, the less it costs per unit to build.  This is because there is more competition, more people working on developing cheaper versions of the technology and better manufacturing processes, and larger factories generally have cheaper per-unit costs than small factories (as long as the factory doesn't get too large).
Yes, that means Blu-Ray has gotten cheaper.  But it doesn't necessarily mean it's any cheaper than HD-DVD.

Not knowing the costs of either, I can't say whether you're correct or not.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 24, 2010, 09:46:06 PM
I'm wagering that Nintendo will use some sort of cartridge/card format. It would suit their needs more than any type of optical medium.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 24, 2010, 10:34:41 PM
I'm wagering that Nintendo will use some sort of cartridge/card format. It would suit their needs more than any type of optical medium.

Cartridges are so 1990s, Mop It Up. Do you really want to go back to those days? I mean optical media is a pain to deal with thanks to the its fragility, but I never want to return to cartridges.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 24, 2010, 10:43:03 PM
If they could do it without pissing off third parties and without raising costs too much, I'd be all for it. They're more durable, they don't take up as much space, and should eliminate loading times.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 24, 2010, 10:51:13 PM
Not to mention that the system itself is more durable and takes up less space. Who wouldn't want to go back to those days? We're past the point where solid state is so much more ridiculously expensive.
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Post by: Adrock on August 24, 2010, 10:59:00 PM
I'm totally with you. I prefer it over optical media. 2 issues: backwards compatibility and higher capacity cards are still pricey. I keep all of my old systems so BC isn't a requirement for me, but people love their BC. And I'm sure SD cards as a comparison for pricing. A 16GB goes for like $50 for consumers, not sure what that would mean for publishers but the bottomline is that it's more than pressing a disc.
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Post by: TheBlackCat on August 24, 2010, 11:45:02 PM
Solid state is ridiculously expensive compared to blu-ray.  A 50 GB blu-ray writable disk costs about as much as a 4 gb flash drive.  That is over 12 times the price per unit memory, and the pressed discs would probably be a fraction of that price.  Add to that likely upcoming discs with up to 10 times that capacity (500 GB) and there is simply no comparison.  I really don't think we are going to see flash-based game distribution, it will be optical and online.  But I do expect to see much more flash-based storage on the next system.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 24, 2010, 11:50:36 PM
That's true, but 50 GB is (and will be for some time) ridiculously overkill for games. Almost all games this generation would fit in 8 GB. Solid state is more expensive, but it's also more durable and can be more effective against piracy.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 12:05:40 AM
That's nowhere near as ridiculous as $10 for an 8MB Nintendo 64 cartridge vs. less than a dollar for a 650MB PlayStation disc.

The DS seems to be quite profitable using cards, which are a sort of cartridge, so I see no reason why a home system can't either. And the size of DS cards has increased considerably since its launch, which would indicate the costs for them has come down. So by the time Nintendo launches their next system, 8GB cards would be plenty cheap enough for the system, and they serve consumer needs better than optical media.
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Post by: Stratos on August 25, 2010, 12:09:26 AM
But that is part of the reason for the $5-10 'tax' you see on some high profile DS games. It's because they are using larger cards (unless you are Square, then you charge extra anyway whether or not the game is that size).
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 12:14:05 AM
Isn't $35 the standard? I would see it as more that games are priced less than the standard when they use smaller cards. It's similar to games with lower budgets being less than $50 on Wii. How many games besides ones from Square Enix or store markups are more than $35?
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 25, 2010, 12:20:53 AM
I was at Wal-mart a few days ago and noticed that they were selling   4 GB flash drives for $10. Not a bad deal, but it is a sign that the prices are coming down on the technology. What is to say that necy year it is 8GB in the $10 range?

How big are the average wii games? Are they 8 GB? I forsee wii 2 games being in the the 20 GB range?
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Post by: Stratos on August 25, 2010, 12:25:15 AM
I doubt 20 GB. Seems a bit like overkill. Most games don't even reach the max 8.5GB of DVDs.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 25, 2010, 12:27:56 AM
I doubt 20 GB. Seems a bit like overkill. Most games don't even reach the max 8.5GB of DVDs.

Just how big are these games for the xbox 360, PS3 and wii?
 
I figure the average size of the games for these consoles are:
 
Wii: 8 GB
PS3: 30 to 50 GB
360: 20 to 40 GB
 
Just my guess. Does anyone else have a rough figure?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 25, 2010, 12:30:26 AM
Kytim, the max any Wii game can be is 8.7 GB. I highly doubt the average is as high as 8GB. The Xbox 360 uses the same size disc as Wii, so the only way a Xbox 360 game could be 20 GB is if it came on 3 discs. PS3 max size is 50GB, but I doubt the average is anywhere near 30GB since most of it's games are also on Xbox 360.
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Post by: Stratos on August 25, 2010, 12:31:43 AM
Um, 360 uses DVDs as well so that's way too high. Also the average Wii game is a lot smaller than that.

Most PS3 games don't need all of the Blu-Ray space other than Metal Gear: The Movie that Maxed Out BD.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 12:31:48 AM
The Wii uses DVDs so games can be 8.5GB max if a dual-layer disc is used. But only a handful of games actually use one, so a regular disc is 4.7GB. Most games don't even max that out, I'd guess they average half that space. Some games, such as Animal Crossing City Folk and Super Paper Mario, use half of one GB.

The XBox 360 uses DVDs as well so its limit is also 8.5GB. Blu-ray has a limit of 50GB for dual-layer though I don't know if any use it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 25, 2010, 12:36:45 AM
I understand now, but I look at all the major titles for the PS360 and think "Damn, there is no way that these games are smaller than 20 GB!"
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Post by: broodwars on August 25, 2010, 12:39:18 AM
The XBox 360 uses DVDs as well so its limit is also 8.5GB. Blu-ray has a limit of 50GB for dual-layer though I don't know if any use it.

My guess is that Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII are probably the only two games on the PS3 who have come anywhere close to that 50 GB limit.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2010, 12:40:04 AM
The only way to even come close to using the full 50 GB is to load it up with all kinds of uncompressed video. Also, some PS3 games fill more space by writing some game data to the disc in multiple places in order to cut down on the longer loading times caused by using Blu-ray discs.


I understand now, but I look at all the major titles for the PS360 and think "Damn, there is no way that these games are smaller than 20 GB!"


Only a handful of 360 games use more than one disc, which means only a handful of 360 games take up more than 9 GB.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 12:40:43 AM
lol three people jumped on that one.

Behold the amazing advances in compression technology. And I think it really goes to show just how unneeded more space is, especially compared to other advances like elimination of load times.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 25, 2010, 12:43:12 AM
The only way to even come close to using the full 50 GB is to load it up with all kinds of uncompressed video. Also, some PS3 games fill more space by writing some game data to the disc in multiple places in order to cut down on the longer loading times caused by using Blu-ray discs.


I understand now, but I look at all the major titles for the PS360 and think "Damn, there is no way that these games are smaller than 20 GB!"


Only a handful of 360 games use more than one disc, which means only a handful of 360 games take up more than 9 GB.

This might sound like a dumb question, but if most 360 games do not take up more than 9 GB of disc space, can the wii play 360 games with HD stripped off?
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Post by: broodwars on August 25, 2010, 12:43:26 AM
lol three people jumped on that one.

Behold the amazing advances in compression technology. And I think it really goes to show just how unneeded more space is, especially compared to other advances like elimination of load times.

Honestly, I rather enjoy uncompressed video on my HD TV when it's offered.  FF XIII was gorgeous on it, and I'm not fond of the idea of going to the cartridge format and having to endure compression artifacts in exchange for decreased load times that don't really bother me in most games I play.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2010, 12:46:12 AM
lol three people jumped on that one.

Behold the amazing advances in compression technology. And I think it really goes to show just how unneeded more space is, especially compared to other advances like elimination of load times.

The same thing was true with the N64 and the PlayStation. The extra space on the CDs was only necessary for full motion video and higher quality audio. Everything else could easily fit on an N64 cartridge. The real issue was the cost, not the space constraints.


lol three people jumped on that one.

Behold the amazing advances in compression technology. And I think it really goes to show just how unneeded more space is, especially compared to other advances like elimination of load times.

Honestly, I rather enjoy uncompressed video on my HD TV when it's offered.  FF XIII was gorgeous on it, and I'm not fond of the idea of going to the cartridge format and having to endure compression artifacts in exchange for decreased load times that don't really bother me in most games I play.

We're getting to a point where video at all isn't really necessary. With today's high end graphics you can just do story sequences using the game engine, which take up very little space and, because they're done in real time and are thus not compressed, have no artifacts.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 12:46:45 AM
This might sound like a dumb question, but if most 360 games do not take up more than 9 GB of disc space, can the wii play 360 games with HD stripped off?
No, because, to put it simply, the XBox 360 hardware is completely different than Wii hardware and therefore every game is coded differently.
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Post by: broodwars on August 25, 2010, 12:48:53 AM
This might sound like a dumb question, but if most 360 games do not take up more than 9 GB of disc space, can the wii play 360 games with HD stripped off?

Depends on how the game is coded.  If it's a game where performance improves greatly by installing the game to the HDD, no the Wii certainly wouldn't handle the game as well.  Provided your typical game has SD and HD resolution textures/etc. on the disc already to deal with people playing with SD TVs, sure the Wii could probably handle a disc with just the SD content and the necessary coding changes to make it Wii-compatible.  Space and lack of support for HD textures is far from the Wii's only technical issues handling 360 ports, though.  The hardware is just fundamentally different.  Just see the Dead Rising Wii port for an example of where this can be problematic: very few zombies anywhere compared to the mobs of them on the 360.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 12:54:41 AM
The same thing was true with the N64 and the PlayStation. The extra space on the CDs was only necessary for full motion video and higher quality audio. Everything else could easily fit on an N64 cartridge. The real issue was the cost, not the space constraints.
Technically the N64 could do FMV, it just needed to be heavily compressed. I don't think it's an apt comparison. There was a lot that couldn't be done within 8MB, and what could be done required a lot more work. Looking at the XBox 360, it doesn't seem like there is anything that is being constrained due to needing more space.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 25, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
This might sound like a dumb question, but if most 360 games do not take up more than 9 GB of disc space, can the wii play 360 games with HD stripped off?

Depends on how the game is coded.  If it's a game where performance improves greatly by installing the game to the HDD, no the Wii certainly wouldn't handle the game as well.  Provided your typical game has SD and HD resolution textures/etc. on the disc already to deal with people playing with SD TVs, sure the Wii could probably handle a disc with just the SD content and the necessary coding changes to make it Wii-compatible.  Space and lack of support for HD textures is far from the Wii's only technical issues handling 360 ports, though.  The hardware is just fundamentally different.  Just see the Dead Rising Wii port for an example of where this can be problematic: very few zombies anywhere compared to the mobs of them on the 360.

After seeing what happened to Dead Rising being ported to the wii, no thanks! It would be nice to get ample ports of PS360 games for the wii 2 though.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2010, 01:00:41 AM

The same thing was true with the N64 and the PlayStation. The extra space on the CDs was only necessary for full motion video and higher quality audio. Everything else could easily fit on an N64 cartridge. The real issue was the cost, not the space constraints.
Technically the N64 could do FMV, it just needed to be heavily compressed. I don't think it's an apt comparison. There was a lot that couldn't be done within 8MB, and what could be done required a lot more work. Looking at the XBox 360, it doesn't seem like there is anything that is being constrained due to needing more space.

The 360 and Wii can do that kind of video with compression as well. Show me a PlayStation game that couldn't be done on the N64 if the video and audio weren't there.
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Post by: broodwars on August 25, 2010, 01:02:04 AM
The same thing was true with the N64 and the PlayStation. The extra space on the CDs was only necessary for full motion video and higher quality audio. Everything else could easily fit on an N64 cartridge. The real issue was the cost, not the space constraints.
Technically the N64 could do FMV, it just needed to be heavily compressed. I don't think it's an apt comparison. There was a lot that couldn't be done within 8MB, and what could be done required a lot more work. Looking at the XBox 360, it doesn't seem like there is anything that is being constrained due to needing more space.

No, on the 360 when a developer runs out of space, they just continue the game on a second disc.

*eyes his copies of Mass Effect 2, Last Remnant, and Lost Odyssey.*

That does remind me of something though: it's probably because we haven't seen much RPG support, but I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen any multi-disc games on the Wii (not even when NISA released Sakura Wars 5 several months ago, despite releasing two discs on the PS2 with multiple languages).
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 01:07:50 AM
The 360 and Wii can do that kind of video with compression as well. Show me a PlayStation game that couldn't be done on the N64 if the video and audio weren't there.
If the video and audio aren't there, what in the world are you playing?

I know what you mean, but that's making sacrifices. Currently no sacrifices in quality need to be made.

No, on the 360 when a developer runs out of space, they just continue the game on a second disc.
This was a lot more common on the PlayStation than it is now, and is still a viable option for those that need it without significantly raising the cost.
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Post by: Stratos on August 25, 2010, 01:09:16 AM
Probably due to the developer stigma associated with Nintendo consoles. Remember there were barely half a dozen 2-disk games on the Gamecube and since developer effort and support is also lacking on Wii the chances of seeing these multi-disk games drops significantly (especially since it is 3rd parties that make multi-disk games, not Nintendo).
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 25, 2010, 01:16:30 AM
The same thing was true with the N64 and the PlayStation. The extra space on the CDs was only necessary for full motion video and higher quality audio. Everything else could easily fit on an N64 cartridge. The real issue was the cost, not the space constraints.
Technically the N64 could do FMV, it just needed to be heavily compressed. I don't think it's an apt comparison. There was a lot that couldn't be done within 8MB, and what could be done required a lot more work. Looking at the XBox 360, it doesn't seem like there is anything that is being constrained due to needing more space.

No, on the 360 when a developer runs out of space, they just continue the game on a second disc.

*eyes his copies of Mass Effect 2, Last Remnant, and Lost Odyssey.*

That does remind me of something though: it's probably because we haven't seen much RPG support, but I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen any multi-disc games on the Wii (not even when NISA released Sakura Wars 5 several months ago, despite releasing two discs on the PS2 with multiple languages).

If the wii stays on the market for a few more years and the wii 2 stays on the side lines then the size of wii games will only get bigger. Eventually two disced wii games will start to pop up.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2010, 01:29:52 AM
The same thing was true with the N64 and the PlayStation. The extra space on the CDs was only necessary for full motion video and higher quality audio. Everything else could easily fit on an N64 cartridge. The real issue was the cost, not the space constraints.
Technically the N64 could do FMV, it just needed to be heavily compressed. I don't think it's an apt comparison. There was a lot that couldn't be done within 8MB, and what could be done required a lot more work. Looking at the XBox 360, it doesn't seem like there is anything that is being constrained due to needing more space.

No, on the 360 when a developer runs out of space, they just continue the game on a second disc.

*eyes his copies of Mass Effect 2, Last Remnant, and Lost Odyssey.*

That does remind me of something though: it's probably because we haven't seen much RPG support, but I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen any multi-disc games on the Wii (not even when NISA released Sakura Wars 5 several months ago, despite releasing two discs on the PS2 with multiple languages).

If the wii stays on the market for a few more years and the wii 2 stays on the side lines then the size of wii games will only get bigger. Eventually two disced wii games will start to pop up.

Considering the fact that barely any games even use enough to need a dual layer disc, this isn't very likely. The only developer even close to pushing the limits of the Wii's capabilities is Nintendo, and releasing a multiple disc game just doesn't seem like something they'd do.
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Post by: Stratos on August 25, 2010, 01:45:20 AM
Exactly what I meant. The closest thing to 2-disk games that Nintendo has released are the Mario Kart Double Dash + Bonus Disc and MGS:Twin Snakes which they published in tandem with Konami.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 25, 2010, 01:51:35 AM
hahaha the average Wii game size is at most 1 gig. Friggin' WiiSports is like 330 MBs and there are many more like that.

Trust me, I rip all my games to HD.
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Post by: stevey on August 25, 2010, 01:54:44 AM
I was at Wal-mart a few days ago and noticed that they were selling   4 GB flash drives for $10. Not a bad deal, but it is a sign that the prices are coming down on the technology. What is to say that necy year it is 8GB in the $10 range?

How big are the average wii games? Are they 8 GB? I forsee wii 2 games being in the the 20 GB range?

That's way overkill. All my Wii games combined are ~29GB in total. There are only 3 games that are above 5GB: Metroid Prime: Trilogy, Smash bros, and Sakura Wars. Everything else is 4GB and below.

Just my guess. Does anyone else have a rough figure?

This link has the exact size for every wii game ever released (http://wiki.gbatemp.net/wiki/USB_Game_Compatibility_Table) *Caution Piracy* (Pirates are the only ones that care enough to go make a chart)

The average is less than a Gig for shitty 3rd party games and 3GB for everything else.

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If the wii stays on the market for a few more years and the wii 2 stays on the side lines then the size of wii games will only get bigger. Eventually two disced wii games will start to pop up.

Why, if anything the trend has been in the opposite direction for Wii games.
Super Mario Galaxy: 3.27GB
Super Mario Galaxy 2: 1.29GB...
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Post by: Stratos on August 25, 2010, 05:12:33 AM
Oh, so Prime Trilogy is larger than Brawl.

Almost nothing gets far over 4 gigs and those are RPGs, music games and Star Wars.
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 25, 2010, 12:15:47 PM
I like cartridges and all but there is too much Nintendo thinkin' in defense of the idea.  Too much "well how much space do you really need?" and "the price difference isn't that much" and "with today's graphics you don't need video."  Those are excuses.  Those are what drive third parties away.  Nintendo has been telling third parties what they should or shouldn't need since the N64 days and, surprise, their third party support has been complete balls the entire time.  The most important thing is flexibility and that means lots of storage at a low cost.  Obviously that's what is important for third parties.

As for what Nintendo will actually do, well I figure there will be some aspect of the Wii 2 that will be very developer unfriendly and will suit Nintendo and only Nintendo's needs.  Hopefully it will be a minor issue that won't cause much of a problem.  But if Nintendo had cartridges I would not be surprised.  Though I think honestly they'll just use DVDs.  Blu-Ray is giving money to Sony and is more or less overkill.  The Xbox 360 does fine with DVDs and I don't expect the Wii 2 to dwarf the HD consoles in power.  It'll probably match them at best.  Nintendo is not the sort of company that is going to want to make games that fill up Blu-Ray discs.  That ain't their style.  So they aren't going to go with something that provides tons of extra space that they themselves have zero interest in using.  DVDs will be good enough for Nintendo so if they use discs that's what they're using.
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Post by: Adrock on August 25, 2010, 05:15:05 PM
I don't know. I'd be just as skeptical if not for the strides Nintendo has made with 3DS. They requested feedback from 3rd parties and have been courting them for support. I don't want to get my hopes too far up, but this is the most Nintendo has done ever.... EVER. They seem to at least be trying this time around.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 05:30:42 PM
I like cartridges and all but there is too much Nintendo thinkin' in defense of the idea.  Too much "well how much space do you really need?" and "the price difference isn't that much" and "with today's graphics you don't need video."  Those are excuses.  Those are what drive third parties away.  Nintendo has been telling third parties what they should or shouldn't need since the N64 days and, surprise, their third party support has been complete balls the entire time.  The most important thing is flexibility and that means lots of storage at a low cost.  Obviously that's what is important for third parties.
Game companies are showing they don't need more space than offered since very few games come close to filling up the space currently available. So most games wouldn't come on 8GB cards, or probably even 4GB, they'd probably be 2GB or 1GB which would likely cost pretty much the same as discs. And if companies do need more space then it's there if they want it; the limit of what cards can be is pretty high.

My mindset is not telling anyone what they need or don't need, it is what I, as a consumer, want in a product. And that's a durable medium with no load times. It is of no concern to me that companies have to spend a teensy bit more to offer this.
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Post by: vudu on August 25, 2010, 05:48:43 PM
My mindset is not telling anyone what they need or don't need, it is what I, as a consumer, want in a product. And that's a durable medium with no load times. It is of no concern to me that companies have to spend a teensy bit more to offer this.

Sorry, but I agree with Ian on this one.  Publishers don't care about durable medium or the lack of load times.  Hell, some of them have come out and said that they don't care about frame rate (because 60 fps doesn't sell any more copies than 30 fps).

What really matters is graphics, brand names and review scores.  The medium doesn't affect two of those, but graphics are impacted because fancy graphics take up lots of space and lots of space can be expensive on certain formats.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 05:50:41 PM
Of course publishers don't care, I'm well aware that they don't. It doesn't mean I have to think the same.
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 25, 2010, 06:11:55 PM
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My mindset is not telling anyone what they need or don't need, it is what I, as a consumer, want in a product. And that's a durable medium with no load times. It is of no concern to me that companies have to spend a teensy bit more to offer this.

My concern is also only what I want in a product.  However what I want is a console with both Nintendo's first party games and the best third party games.  The last time one of those was around I was just starting high school.  A durable medium is of little concern to me because I take exceptionally good care of my stuff.  It would work better for used games though.  Load times suck but in good games are rarely so bad that I can't enjoy the game.  Compared to third party support they are more or less irrelevant to me.  The priority just isn't there.  Plus without developers actually making games for the system the advantage is really just theoretical.  Nintendo are already incredibly talented at reducing and hiding load times.  They themselves don't need cartridges.  The devs that do will probably shun a console that uses cartridges so what benefit is gained?
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Post by: TheBlackCat on August 25, 2010, 07:41:46 PM
Game companies are showing they don't need more space than offered since very few games come close to filling up the space currently available.
On SD games, HD game have much higher-resolution textures and so need more space. 

And are you seriously saying we should just not have any jRPGs?  Nintendo already has enough trouble getting those sorts as it is without making them flat-out impossible.

I really want to see my Mario Kart everytrackfromeverymarkiokartever

So most games wouldn't come on 8GB cards, or probably even 4GB, they'd probably be 2GB or 1GB which would likely cost pretty much the same as discs. And if companies do need more space then it's there if they want it; the limit of what cards can be is pretty high.
First, no they would cost considerably more than discs.  A 4 GB completely blank flash drive costs about as much as a 50 GB blu ray containing a movie, so the unit cost of blu ray would be much less.  Expecting game developers to either jack up the prices by 50% or cut their profit margins by half is not going to make them want to make games for Nintendo.  It didn't in the N64 days and it certainly won't today when there are two strong, established competitors on the market instead of one unproven upstart.

Second, the price goes up rapidly as you increase the size.  A 8 GB flash drive would cost a couple times as much, a 16 more than 4 or 5 times as much, a 32 gb would cost as much as 2 games at least.  The price for Blu-ray, however, does not go up at all until 25 GB, and even then it is not much more for 50 GB.

And that's a durable medium with no load times.
If load times are that big a deal they could stream data to internal flash memory in the background and load it off there.  And it is possible to put discs in a durable housing, but it looks clunky so people tend to avoid that.

It is of no concern to me that companies have to spend a teensy bit more to offer this.
What I want is fun games, and I am not going to get them from third parties if Nintendo takes this approach.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 07:56:44 PM
Those are reasons why it probably won't happen, but I'd still like to see it. Companies care too much about saving money rather than serving consumers.

On SD games, HD game have much higher-resolution textures and so need more space. 
So there are no HD games on the XBox 360?

And are you seriously saying we should just not have any jRPGs?
I have no idea how you got that from what I said.
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Post by: Adrock on August 25, 2010, 08:05:38 PM
I really want to see my Mario Kart everytrackfromeverymarkiokartever
Could we just have a robust track editor? Please and thank you.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2010, 08:14:32 PM
I don't think it's feasible to create a worthwhile track editor for a 3D game. I've played some of the tracks people have created using hacks, and if that's indicative of what could be done with an editor, none of them would compare to professionally designed tracks that are not limited to tilesets.

I'm not saying that I don't want one, just that I wouldn't want it in the place of any regular tracks. In fact, DLC tracks would be preferable to an editor.
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Post by: broodwars on August 25, 2010, 08:16:11 PM
I don't think it's feasible to create a worthwhile track editor for a 3D game. I've played some of the tracks people have created using hacks, and if that's indicative of what could be done with an editor, none of them would compare to professionally designed tracks that are not limited to tilesets.

Supposedly, the track creator in ModNation Racers on the PS3 is pretty serviceable, and if the E3 2010 demo they did on-stage is any indication it's pretty simple to use if a bit basic.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2010, 08:24:51 PM
Hard drive installs, like you can do on the 360, can pretty much get rid of load times, and with the ever-increasing size of console hard drives they're becoming more feasible on a large scale. The only downside, and it's fairly significant, is how long it takes to do. You only have to do it once, but it can be pretty annoying to wait for it to happen.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 25, 2010, 09:33:41 PM
Hard drive installs, like you can do on the 360, can pretty much get rid of load times, and with the ever-increasing size of console hard drives they're becoming more feasible on a large scale. The only downside, and it's fairly significant, is how long it takes to do. You only have to do it once, but it can be pretty annoying to wait for it to happen.

Could installs be done via internal flash memory?
 
Here is what I think the wii 2 will have as a storage medium. First, 16 GB of internal flash memory. Second, SDHC support up to 64 GB. Third, external flash and HDD support via USB ports.

Silicone Knights needs to return to Nintendo and make a sequel to Eternal Darkness. That piss poor game Too Human was a sign that the developer needs to stay with daddy, Nintendo.
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Post by: broodwars on August 25, 2010, 11:42:42 PM
Hard drive installs, like you can do on the 360, can pretty much get rid of load times, and with the ever-increasing size of console hard drives they're becoming more feasible on a large scale. The only downside, and it's fairly significant, is how long it takes to do. You only have to do it once, but it can be pretty annoying to wait for it to happen.

Could installs be done via internal flash memory?
 
Here is what I think the wii 2 will have as a storage medium. First, 16 GB of internal flash memory. Second, SDHC support up to 64 GB. Third, external flash and HDD support via USB ports.

Silicone Knights needs to return to Nintendo and make a sequel to Eternal Darkness. That piss poor game Too Human was a sign that the developer needs to stay with daddy, Nintendo.

Alright, allow me to give you some perspective: the average amount of space a single disc of one of my installed 360 games takes on my HDD is around 6-7 GB.  I've only had my 120 GB 360 for almost 2 months now, and I'm already down to less than 30 GB of free space.  The PS3 is around the same amount for its required installs, though that platform only has to install a single disc.  I've had my 80 GB PS3 for about a year now, and I'd already be out of space if I didn't periodically delete game installs for games I'm not currently playing.  If we're going to be serious about talking about installing games in the era of HD games, probably the minimum HDD size we should see in Wii 2 is around 100 or so GB.  I don't know the limits of Flash Memory, but I have a feeling they don't generally go that high.

As for Silicon Knights, what in the world are they up to these days?  I never heard many sales numbers for Too Human, but I doubt it sold all that well.  How are they keeping that studio afloat these days?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2010, 11:48:22 PM
Too Human wasn't the greatest game ever, but it was far from piss poor. It had a few issues, but I had a good time with it.


Hard drive installs, like you can do on the 360, can pretty much get rid of load times, and with the ever-increasing size of console hard drives they're becoming more feasible on a large scale. The only downside, and it's fairly significant, is how long it takes to do. You only have to do it once, but it can be pretty annoying to wait for it to happen.

Could installs be done via internal flash memory?
 
Here is what I think the wii 2 will have as a storage medium. First, 16 GB of internal flash memory. Second, SDHC support up to 64 GB. Third, external flash and HDD support via USB ports.

Silicone Knights needs to return to Nintendo and make a sequel to Eternal Darkness. That piss poor game Too Human was a sign that the developer needs to stay with daddy, Nintendo.

Alright, allow me to give you some perspective: the average amount of space a single disc of one of my installed 360 games takes on my HDD is around 6-7 GB.  The PS3 is around the same amount for its required installs, though multi-disc games don't inflate the number since it's still only one install.  If we're going to be serious about talking about installing games in the era of HD games, probably the minimum HDD size we should see in Wii 2 is around 100 or so GB.  I don't know the limits of Flash Memory, but I have a feeling they don't generally go that high.

As for Silicon Knights, what in the world are they up to these days?  I never heard many sales numbers for Too Human, but I doubt it sold all that well.  How are they keeping that studio afloat these days?


You could do that kind of capacity with solid state, but it'd cost more than Nintendo's probably willing to spend. For once, I'm actually going to agree with Kytim: a smaller amount of built in storage, with the ability for users to add to it if they desire, is probably the likeliest outcome.
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Post by: Adrock on August 25, 2010, 11:51:47 PM
I believe Silicon Knights just got some funding from the Canadian government.
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Post by: broodwars on August 25, 2010, 11:52:54 PM
You could do that kind of capacity with solid state, but it'd cost more than Nintendo's probably willing to spend. For once, I'm actually going to agree with Kytim: a smaller amount of built in storage, with the ability for users to add to it if they desire, is probably the likeliest outcome.

While I agree that's likely what Nintendo (being as historically cheap as they are) will do, I hope they don't.  IMO, the Wii's extremely low storage capacity crippled what developers could do with WiiWare and arguably Virtual Console, since until the SD card support came along there was nowhere to put games.  Even with the SD card support, that extremely low file size restriction probably hurts the influx of quality games more than it helps.  I don't want to see that repeated in Wii 2.  Maybe Nintendo could do something similar to what Microsoft did with the 360 and release a cheaper SKU with a low HDD capacity for the casuals, but also a more expensive SKU with a proper-sized HDD for those who need all that storage.  And either way, remove that stupid file size restriction.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2010, 12:12:40 AM
Well Kytim predicted 16 GB internally, which seems realistic to me, and if that's the case we're fine. The low end 360 that's out or about to come out comes with 4 GB. As for having multiple SKUs, despite what they've done on the handheld side, that doesn't seem to me like something Nintendo would want to do.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 26, 2010, 12:28:15 AM
I imagine that 16 GB of internal flash storage would be more than enough to eliminate the storage restrictions on the current wii for good.
 
I also imagine that Nintendo will allow you to use internal HDD, but you, the consumer, muxt provide your own hard drive because Nintendo will not put forth the money to manufacture them. On the bottom of the wii there will be a port where you unscrew a cover and place a 2.5 inch hard drive into the console to boost its memory storage.
 
What I would like for Nintendo to with the wii 2 is allow what ever storage devices being used to bear the brunt of the files, but what ever virtual console and wiiware titles on the system are still tethered to the console for security reasons. We do not want you to run off and mass produce copies of the files. ;D
 
Overall, I imagine Nintendo saying, "Here we are with the wii 2. We have heared the complaints of the wii storage debacle from the consumers, so we have provided every storage option for the wii 2. Now, consumers, shut up!"
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2010, 12:50:06 AM
I also imagine that Nintendo will allow you to use internal HDD, but you, the consumer, muxt provide your own hard drive because Nintendo will not put forth the money to manufacture them. On the bottom of the wii there will be a port where you unscrew a cover and place a 2.5 inch hard drive into the console to boost its memory storage.

I don't see this happening. No matter how easy you make it (and, based on my recent upgrade of my MacBook Pro's internal drive, you can make it pretty damned easy), Nintendo's not going to like the idea of people opening up the system and swapping stuff out, especially with the much simpler and less prone to error solution of USB drives.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 26, 2010, 01:10:48 AM
I also imagine that Nintendo will allow you to use internal HDD, but you, the consumer, muxt provide your own hard drive because Nintendo will not put forth the money to manufacture them. On the bottom of the wii there will be a port where you unscrew a cover and place a 2.5 inch hard drive into the console to boost its memory storage.


I don't see this happening. No matter how easy you make it (and, based on my recent upgrade of my MacBook Pro's internal drive, you can make it pretty damned easy), Nintendo's not going to like the idea of people opening up the system and swapping stuff out, especially with the much simpler and less prone to error solution of USB drives.

 
Yeah, there is that, but we technically open up the wii with the SD card slot, right? As for the external flash drive usage via the USB ports, I have a couple of projects involving a few NES cartridges and controllers that I converting into storage devices, so allowing the USB ports to be used would be doing me a favor.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 26, 2010, 02:16:42 AM
It doesn't matter so much to me how much internal space is offered, as all I really care about is the ability to copy all save files. If it has that, I will be fine with it.
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Post by: Stratos on August 26, 2010, 03:03:22 AM
It doesn't matter so much to me how much internal space is offered, as all I really care about is the ability to copy all save files. If it has that, I will be fine with it.

That will be hinged on how Nintendo handles it's online structure. With the Wii it is tied to specific consoles. But if they tie data to a separate account then it shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 26, 2010, 03:27:59 AM
If there are no friend codes next time around then maybe it will be fine. That's the reason online game data can't be copied, because bad things will happen if two friend codes connect at the same time. But I've come across numerous other games that don't have any online component which can't be copied, such as Elebits and Marble Saga. I don't really know why those such games don't allow it.
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 07, 2010, 02:07:54 PM
This is no rumor, I just was not sure where to post it, and I don't think a new thread is worthy.
 
Basically Sakamoto thinks we will be very impressed with the next gen Nintendo home console.
 
http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=14308 (http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=14308)
 
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At Nintendo we always have the obligation to surprise users with a new game console. We have never done what others have. We prefer to create something new that catches attention, and I think this will continue this time as well. Surely the new Nintendo machine will leave you all with your mouth open
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 07, 2010, 02:20:10 PM
Next Nintendo console to be a chewtoy confirmed!!!!

We are the next Nintendogs....

In Mother Tendo, you don't play the console, the console plays you.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 07, 2010, 02:59:21 PM
Do I trust Sakamoto after Other M? ;)

The guys does care about story and presentation and even if he couldn't tell a decent story to save his life he likes bells and whistles.  He would potentially be impressed by better graphics and such.
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Post by: broodwars on September 07, 2010, 03:02:51 PM
The guys does care about story and presentation and even if he couldn't tell a decent story to save his life he likes bells and whistles.  He would potentially be impressed by better graphics and such.

IMO, it's more likely that he's squeeling over the next Wii having a 2-button controller and no analog stick.  It's the modern NES he so clearly wants!   ;)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 07, 2010, 04:10:11 PM
The guys does care about story and presentation and even if he couldn't tell a decent story to save his life he likes bells and whistles.  He would potentially be impressed by better graphics and such.

IMO, it's more likely that he's squeeling over the next Wii having a 2-button controller and no analog stick.  It's the modern NES he so clearly wants!   ;)

How would that be any different than the current Wii controller?
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Post by: broodwars on September 07, 2010, 04:15:30 PM
The guys does care about story and presentation and even if he couldn't tell a decent story to save his life he likes bells and whistles.  He would potentially be impressed by better graphics and such.

IMO, it's more likely that he's squeeling over the next Wii having a 2-button controller and no analog stick.  It's the modern NES he so clearly wants!   ;)

How would that be any different than the current Wii controller?

The current Wii controller has 4 buttons you can use for action commands (1, 2, A, B) + 2 options buttons (+ and - ), and it has the ability to link with the nunchuck for analog stick support.   ;)
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Post by: Mop it up on September 07, 2010, 06:42:01 PM
The quote doesn't say anything about graphics, it says Nintendo likes to try new things and the new system is no different. So it can't be an NES controller because they've done that. Now, Nintendo has yet to create a controller with six face buttons...
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Post by: Stratos on September 07, 2010, 06:51:04 PM
Now, Nintendo has yet to create a controller with six face buttons...

"Genesis Does What NintenDon't!"
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 07, 2010, 06:55:29 PM
The quote doesn't say anything about graphics, it says Nintendo likes to try new things and the new system is no different. So it can't be an NES controller because they've done that. Now, Nintendo has yet to create a controller with six face buttons...

that'll never happen....
(http://i39.tinypic.com/6fttls.jpg)
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Post by: Mop it up on September 07, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
I always forget about the Nintendo 64 controller since I tend to view the C-buttons as a D-pad, which is what most games use them as.

At least Stratos knew what it was I was referencing...

Let's see... Nintendo could make a controller with three handles! Oh wait, no, they did that. They could make a controller that you put on like a glove! Wait, wait, no, they did that too. They will make a controller with FOUR handles! Yeah!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 07, 2010, 07:42:10 PM
The glove's probably it. They've resurrected the Virtual Boy with the 3DS, so the next Wii will be the Power Glove, except this time it works.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 07, 2010, 07:46:06 PM
Insanolord I think they already did it with the Wii remote.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 07, 2010, 08:32:09 PM
The next console will produce a dangerous and addictive hallucinogen to intensify the gaming experience.
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Post by: Stratos on September 08, 2010, 12:21:45 AM
The next console will produce a dangerous and addictive hallucinogen to intensify the gaming experience.

I had heard talk of a Smelling Pak back when the Rumble Pak released. Just make the Smelling Pak release 'special compounds' to help "Increase the user's entertainment level".
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Post by: that Baby guy on September 08, 2010, 12:23:47 AM
The next console will produce a dangerous and addictive hallucinogen to intensify the gaming experience.
I had heard talk of a Smelling Pak back when the Rumble Pak released. Just make the Smelling Pak release 'special compounds' to help "Increase the user's entertainment level".

I'm pretty sure Zap's the one here who desperately wants to sniff his games.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 08, 2010, 01:11:33 AM
If that happened, I would never again play a Wario game.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2010, 12:25:18 PM
New game console in the works, I wonder whose console it could be.....

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/30/marvells-quad-core-armada-processor-wont-see-tablets-or-phones/#disqus_thread (http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/30/marvells-quad-core-armada-processor-wont-see-tablets-or-phones/#disqus_thread)
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Looks like that quad-core Armada processor won't be having apps for breakfast after all -- confronting Marvell's Jack Kang at Mobilize 2010, he told us the chips proved too power-hungry for devices without a dedicated cord. That doesn't mean we won't see them soon, however, as the man let slip that it's actually the quad-core chip that will appear in a new game system, though we can probably rule out the Nintendo 3DS for the same reason as the phones.

So it's a low power chip, that was just a little too power hungry for a handheld device, but is making it's way into a gaming console....
That rules out any involvement with the 3DS and the PSP2 (or does it!? dun dun duuun), so what do we have left...
I doubt Sony would stray away from PS3 BC and I'm sure 360 would love some Kinect/360 BC of it's own and that chip isn't anywhere near powerful enough to emulate those systems, so could it be the potential CPU for the Wii2H3D?


Then again, it could be something completely out of left-field, like a new competitor entering the ring, or something like OnLive the set-top box.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 01, 2010, 12:32:43 PM
New game console in the works, I wonder whose console it could be.....

Of the existing console manufacturers Nintendo is the only that makes sense. But that doesn't mean that some other company isn't gearing to hurl themselves into the arena. Its not impossible that Sega could try to re-enter the race with a new console (I doubt it, though). A far more likely possibility is Apple coming out with some console. They have been incredibly successful with their Ipods and all that crap, and they did dabble with the idea many years ago with their Frodo console so its a possibility. They certainly have deep enough pockets now to attempt to pull something like that off.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 01, 2010, 02:11:54 PM
It would not surprise me that Nintendo is working on a new home console. I mean now that the 3DS has been revealed, the spot light seems to be more on what Nintendo is going to do with the Wii 2. I have to be honest, I am now more interested in the Wii 2 thanks to the 3DS. I have a feeling we will be seeing it at E3 2011.

Here is my thoughts on what the Wii 2 will be like, but I do not know that much about chipsets to discuss CPUs or anything like that.


Graphics: High Definition with a slight similarity to the 360. Similar to how the 3DS is a cheaper take on the PSP, the wii 2 will be a cheaper version of the 360.

Online: Much stronger support than the wii and DS(and no friend codes) and comparible with that of the 360. Basically a hybrid of the xbox's online and that of the 3DS.

3D: The wii 2 will some how incorporate 3D like the 3DS, but will be implemented slowly via firmware.

Disc Media: No blu-ray. Nintendo will upgrade to HD-DVD for the wii 2 games and it will keep BC with the wii and possibly the Gamecube.

Wiimotes and other controllers: The controller for the wii 2 will be similar to Sony's move controller. It will be blue toothe enabled and also wireless. The classic controller will build onto the Pro version and will be wireless.

Form factor: I imagine the wii 2 being similar in appearance and size to the 360 slim. Blend in some classic Nintendo design features and keep the hardware issues low and we might have a winner.

How many USB ports would be adequate for the console? Perhaps three to five and Nintendo should put them to better use than they did with the wii. I could see head sets and speciel controllers and accessories being put to good use with these ports.

Wiiware and virtual console: Nintendo will allow down loaded titles to be switched over from the wii to the wii 2. I also see the file size limitations going away. Also, virtual console will exspand to include Dreamcast and Saturn(Radiant Silver Gun on XBLA).
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Post by: broodwars on October 01, 2010, 02:57:50 PM
3D: The wii 2 will some how incorporate 3D like the 3DS, but will be implemented slowly via firmware.

Disc Media: No blu-ray. Nintendo will upgrade to HD-DVD for the wii 2 games and it will keep BC with the wii and possibly the Gamecube.

I think 3D the way the 3DS does it is only possible through hardware solutions, not software solutions, because it requires specialized screens.  Unless the Wii 2's going to carry a multi-$1000 price tag to accomodate packed-in 3D TVs, I don't see the Wii going 3D in that way.  The only way I could see the Wii 2 going that style of 3D is if it uses a specialized headset like the Virtual Boy, and we all know how badly that went the last time Nintendo tried it.  Personally, I hope the 3D fad dies and dies quickly long before the Wii 2 comes out and Nintendo feels obligated to shoe-horn it in.
 
Nintendo will create their own High-Capacity storage disc or cartridge media long before they use HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.
 
And the only way that Nintendo's next-generation online service will be technically comparable to Xbox Live is if Nintendo charges for it like Microsoft does.  We might get something on par with Playstation Network, though somehow I doubt Nintendo will be capable of that level of online service considering how little attention they've paid to developing one so far.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 01, 2010, 03:13:13 PM
I think Nintendo will basically use their own disc format that is of similar capacity to Blu-ray Disc, the same way that the Wii Optical Disc holds the same amount of data as a DVD.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 01, 2010, 03:41:01 PM
Unless the Wii 2's going to carry a multi-$1000 price tag to accomodate packed-in 3D TVs, I don't see the Wii going 3D in that way.

It doesn't need to. Its the responsibility of consumers to buy their own 3D TVs. All Nintendo needs to do is include the support for said TVs. Of course, not every consumer is going to own a 3D TV within the near future, but the 3D support only needs to be optional and disabled for TVs which can't handle it. Nevertheless, it should be there built into the console.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 01, 2010, 03:46:46 PM
I think Nintendo will basically use their own disc format that is of similar capacity to Blu-ray Disc, the same way that the Wii Optical Disc holds the same amount of data as a DVD.

They could just use something similar to the card media that the DS uses. This would offer a vast number of advantages over optical media, not the least of which is that it would result in a much smaller and compact console which would also be far more reliable and not likely to break down because there wouldn't be any moving parts in it. Size does matter, especially in the Japanese market, so if Nintendo could create a Wii console that's smaller than a Big Mac then that's going to be a major advantage.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 01, 2010, 04:16:46 PM
Unless the Wii 2's going to carry a multi-$1000 price tag to accomodate packed-in 3D TVs, I don't see the Wii going 3D in that way.

It doesn't need to. Its the responsibility of consumers to buy their own 3D TVs. All Nintendo needs to do is include the support for said TVs. Of course, not every consumer is going to own a 3D TV within the near future, but the 3D support only needs to be optional and disabled for TVs which can't handle it. Nevertheless, it should be there built into the console.

This is what I had in mind. Basically Nintendo just includes 3D capabilities into the machine, but makes it dormant. Once the price of 3D televisons have lowered enough for people to buy then Nintendo releases a firmware update that awakens the 3D inside the wii 2 and then we have 3D enable home console games.

What is wrong with HD-DVD?

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Post by: broodwars on October 01, 2010, 04:27:10 PM
What is wrong with HD-DVD?

Nintendo didn't create it.  I also don't know what the financial situation would be with using HD-DVDs now, and I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to pay anything extra for using the format given that they aren't even willing to pay for the license to have .mp3 playback on the Wii.  It's possibly cheaper just to use their own format.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 01, 2010, 04:37:04 PM
What is wrong with HD-DVD?

Nintendo didn't create it.  I also don't know what the financial situation would be with using HD-DVDs now, and I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to pay anything extra for using the format given that they aren't even willing to pay for the license to have .mp3 playback on the Wii.  It's possibly cheaper just to use their own format.

I like the cartridge media, but I believe that our only choices will be optical media or digital download. Returning to cartridges just seems like stepping too far into the past for third parties to be interested in developing for the system. The holographic storage medium that Nintendo has been working on could be the answer to their format problems.
 
What kind of memory storage will the wii 2 use? What about online?
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 01, 2010, 04:58:47 PM
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What kind of memory storage will the wii 2 use? What about online?

Is that a seperate question about the online model or are you suggesting they use online storage?  Online storage wouldn't fly because it makes an internet connection mandatory.  If my internet is down I still want to save games.  And what would happen years from now when the model is no longer supported?  I can't save games at ALL anymore?
 
The Wii 2 should just use a hard drive and call it a day.  It works like a dream for the other consoles so just do it the same way.  Or make it so that I can use a hard drive or SD cards or whatever I want.  Just support the same options that PCs do.  It's just storage.  It's a simple concept that doesn't need to be tackled in some creative "Nintendo way".  Do it conventional so that it works.  Save the innovation for the games.
 
For the media I don't see why they couldn't just continue using DVDs like the Xbox 360 does.  I do not expect Nintendo to dwarf the existing HD consoles in specs.  Blu Ray is borderline overkill now and Nintendo won't create a situation to make even BIGGER games.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2010, 05:15:55 PM
Nintendo has patented the Holographic storage for a DS cart implementation, so we know holographic storage is trying to find it's way to the consumer hopefully during this generation(3DS). I don't think it would be completely insane to think that InPhase and Nintendo aren't working overtime to come up with a optical/holographic disc hybid format for use in the Next Nintendo system that will allow BC for past consoles and flexibility for future ones (not to mention the competition such a thing would cause for BluRay - Nintendo is making Movie studio partnerships for 3DS that could extend into other areas in the not so distant future[/dreamstate])

As far as HDD's go, I say onboard &removeable strorage is the way to go, and optional online backup is a very very welcome addition. Cloud Save/Backup would actually work very well with Nintendo's automatic firmware update strategy that they have going on with the 3DS in that your entire system could be backed-up, upgraded, maintained online and synced with your system everytime you log on/off.
Talk about pushing Free DLC, demos, videos or patches, you wouldn't even have to know when it happened, it would just already be done when you turn the system on.


And whats wrong with HD-DVD? it's a dead format and Nintendo's invested future format is nearing a point of maturity where it should be ready for consumer level release hopefully really really soon.


The only way I could see the Wii 2 going that style of 3D is if it uses a specialized headset like the Virtual Boy, and we all know how badly that went the last time Nintendo tried it. 


Return of Nintendo On!?

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Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2010, 05:33:55 PM
Nintendo, for whatever reason, seems allergic to HDDs. Nintendo is more likely to use SSD if anything because they're Nintendo and doing something sideways and ass-back-upwards (you read that right) is typically how they do things, especially since HDD for saving games in consoles was kind of Microsoft's idea. Nintendo is just too proud to admit another company may have had a good idea. SSDs are more expensive, but the benefits seem more in line with Nintendo, namely durability, smaller form factor, and less frequent failure rate among others. And it happens to have a faster start up. I would want 128 GB, but I would expect 32 GB or 64 GB which compared to the HDDs in PS3 and 360 is nothing. Still, it's leagues better than what the Wii offers.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 01, 2010, 05:41:07 PM
It would be cheap to license HD DVD (no dash in the name), I doubt Toshiba would charge them much.

Kytim, I don't see Nintendo using cloud computing for storage matters. I am against cloud computing because you lose access to the stuff if you can't access the Internet. That is why I can't believe some PC publishers have released games that require a constant Internet connection to play (even single player games). Using cloud based solutions would be one of the worst things any console manufacturer could do.
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Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2010, 05:51:58 PM
That is why I can't believe some PC publishers have released games that require a constant Internet connection to play (even single player games). Using cloud based solutions would be one of the worst things any console manufacturer could do.
Well, it's 2010. I would imagine that their line of thinking is: If you don't have an internet connection by now, why are you even attempting to play games on a PC? To play most new games on PC, you need hardware that can handle it. How many of those people don't have a high speed connection? I would guess very few. I understand not wanting to alienate anyone, but I feel, in this case, the majority of that audience has a constant internet connection.

Agreed on the cloud solution on a console though.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 01, 2010, 06:05:22 PM
What happens if your Internet connection goes down? Why should you need to have a Internet connection to play a single player game? I can't really think of any benefits to consumers to have to have a Internet connection just to play their game. I can see the benefit to publishers, but not to consumers.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 01, 2010, 06:16:03 PM
There is almost no point in owning a PC if you do not have an internet connection.
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Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2010, 06:19:28 PM
What happens if your Internet connection goes down? Why should you need to have a Internet connection to play a single player game? I can't really think of any benefits to consumers to have to have a Internet connection just to play their game. I can see the benefit to publishers, but not to consumers.
Hey, I didn't say I agreed with them or even supported the decision. However, I do see their POV. Does anyone really need to be online to play a single player game? The answer is no. You're right. I'm not arguing that at all. The point, though, is if it benefits the publishers and people are going to buy the game anyway, it's win-win for them. It'd only be a problem if the decision affected sales which if they're getting away with it, probably not.
There is almost no point in owning a PC if you do not have an internet connection.
The operative word being "almost."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 01, 2010, 06:20:55 PM
Nintendo didn't create it.  I also don't know what the financial situation would be with using HD-DVDs now, and I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to pay anything extra for using the format given that they aren't even willing to pay for the license to have .mp3 playback on the Wii.  It's possibly cheaper just to use their own format.

Developing a new format from scratch would be a massive investment, and its not something Nintendo themselves are in a position to do. Just like how they aren't a chips manufacturer and hired IBM to make the gecko/broadway processor they would also have to hire some other company (like say Toshiba) to do it for them, and if that is going to be the case then they may as well just take a derelict format like HD-DVD which already exists and has been abandoned. It would have to be far cheaper to do that than pay for a new format to be made.

The space HD-DVD provides is less than Bluray, but its still over kill and more than enough for the forseeable future.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 01, 2010, 06:24:29 PM
I think the real reason Nintendo is phobic towards HDDs is because of their piracy concerns. Once you introduce a hard drive to a console it becomes a little more like a computer, and therefore more susceptible to hackers and pirates. There must come a point where Nintendo will be forced to adopt HDD (or something similar) but they're going to drag their feet as long as possible because of their anti-piracy and anti-homebrew stance.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 01, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
Nintendo, for whatever reason, seems allergic to HDDs. Nintendo is more likely to use SSD if anything because they're Nintendo and doing something sideways and ass-back-upwards (you read that right) is typically how they do things, especially since HDD for saving games in consoles was kind of Microsoft's idea. Nintendo is just too proud to admit another company may have had a good idea. SSDs are more expensive, but the benefits seem more in line with Nintendo, namely durability, smaller form factor, and less frequent failure rate among others. And it happens to have a faster start up. I would want 128 GB, but I would expect 32 GB or 64 GB which compared to the HDDs in PS3 and 360 is nothing. Still, it's leagues better than what the Wii offers.

What I think will happen is that the wii 2 wil be about the same dimensions as the 360 slim. Nintendo will include the option of HDD storage in their next system and then play it off like it has never been done before(not in the open), but the consumer will have to supply their own hard drive for the system.
 
I also see them allowing all forms of memory storage to be implemented. This would include both SD cards and external stoarge devices such as flash drives and USB HDD. But like I said, you will have to provide the medium for the console. They will do this to avoid hearing consumers bitch about storage options.
 
As for online features, cloud storage might be a little too advanced for Nintendo's tastes, but I do see them having online that is similar to either Home or XBLA. They will provide a basic plan, but they might charge 2000 points per year for a more advanced version of their online option.
 
As for multimedia, Nintendo will most like;y include a music player, but the true cream of the crop will be a movie player. What is most likely going to happen is that Netflix will get its own preinstalled channel and all you do is set up your account and instant streaming of HD movies is at your finger tips.
 
This might be trivial, but I would like to see an accessory be released with the system that plugs into a Gamecube controller port or USB port that allows all virtual console games to be played with their respective controller. I have discussed this before many times and I can not argue enough for it to happen.
 
The wii 2 will not try to out perform the 360 or PS3, but it will be to those consoles what the 3DS will be the PSP.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 01, 2010, 06:56:22 PM
I think the real reason Nintendo is phobic towards HDDs is because of their piracy concerns. Once you introduce a hard drive to a console it becomes a little more like a computer, and therefore more susceptible to hackers and pirates. There must come a point where Nintendo will be forced to adopt HDD (or something similar) but they're going to drag their feet as long as possible because of their anti-piracy and anti-homebrew stance.

What Nintendo could do is something similar to how Apple made their iphone where it had no screws to open up the system. Of the course the system would have to be opened to an extent to take in and out the HDD, but that part and what ever port covers and the disc drive will be the only thing that will open on the system. Nintendo themselves will be the only ones who can open the system up when you send it in to them for any reason.
 
For some reason when I see the 360 slim I can not shake this feeling of thinking of it as the wii 2 and I do not mean because of Kinect. I just think that it will be a cross between the wii and the 360 slim.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on October 01, 2010, 07:25:24 PM
I think the real reason Nintendo is phobic towards HDDs is because of their piracy concerns. Once you introduce a hard drive to a console it becomes a little more like a computer, and therefore more susceptible to hackers and pirates. There must come a point where Nintendo will be forced to adopt HDD (or something similar) but they're going to drag their feet as long as possible because of their anti-piracy and anti-homebrew stance.

There's no difference from allowing the system to read data off the SD card as there is from an (optional) HDD from a security perspective. The wii already can be hooked up to a hard drive viva the USB2 ports and that was done with homebrew long before Nintendo ever release the HDD 'driver' firmware updated. I just hope they include an option (whether it's an internal space to insert a HDD or better yet an eSATA/USB port on the system) support HDDs for running Nintendo software off of it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2010, 08:07:43 PM
Nintendo didn't create it.  I also don't know what the financial situation would be with using HD-DVDs now, and I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to pay anything extra for using the format given that they aren't even willing to pay for the license to have .mp3 playback on the Wii.  It's possibly cheaper just to use their own format.

Developing a new format from scratch would be a massive investment, and its not something Nintendo themselves are in a position to do. Just like how they aren't a chips manufacturer and hired IBM to make the gecko/broadway processor they would also have to hire some other company (like say Toshiba) to do it for them, and if that is going to be the case then they may as well just take a derelict format like HD-DVD which already exists and has been abandoned. It would have to be far cheaper to do that than pay for a new format to be made.

The space HD-DVD provides is less than Bluray, but its still over kill and more than enough for the forseeable future.

Nintendo has already heavily invested in a new format, It's holographic, in partnership with a company called InPhase. InPhase was pushing out commercial units back in 2008, and Nintendo has been spending dumptruck loads of cash on something since around 2007, so I can only guess they are trying real hard to get some consumer level equipment out of this tech asap (and alot of that R&D also likely went into 3DS).

It's also possible that Nintendo might use some HD-DVD (with a dash :P) licensed tech, but I'm sure it won't be standard HD-DVD (again with a dash ;)). maybe readin from the inside out and the disc spinning the other way or something. But i'm sure they are pushing for their own proprietary, unhackable, self manufactured, future proof, future standard tech.

If they get the holographic tech down, they may never need another format across any platform, retail or digit download, home or portable console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on October 01, 2010, 08:37:33 PM
1) You could probably get the rights to HD DVD for 5 million yen at this point.

2) The reasons why Nintendo doesn't like hard drives: 1) Piracy concerns as mentioned above, 2) phobia of moving parts. Hard drives = spinning parts = more opportunity for breakage and failure since they don't make hard drives out of Nintendium.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 01, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
Nintendo didn't create it.  I also don't know what the financial situation would be with using HD-DVDs now, and I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to pay anything extra for using the format given that they aren't even willing to pay for the license to have .mp3 playback on the Wii.  It's possibly cheaper just to use their own format.

Developing a new format from scratch would be a massive investment, and its not something Nintendo themselves are in a position to do. Just like how they aren't a chips manufacturer and hired IBM to make the gecko/broadway processor they would also have to hire some other company (like say Toshiba) to do it for them, and if that is going to be the case then they may as well just take a derelict format like HD-DVD which already exists and has been abandoned. It would have to be far cheaper to do that than pay for a new format to be made.

The space HD-DVD provides is less than Bluray, but its still over kill and more than enough for the forseeable future.

Nintendo has already heavily invested in a new format, It's holographic, in partnership with a company called InPhase. InPhase was pushing out commercial units back in 2008, and Nintendo has been spending dumptruck loads of cash on something since around 2007, so I can only guess they are trying real hard to get some consumer level equipment out of this tech asap (and alot of that R&D also likely went into 3DS).

It's also possible that Nintendo might use some HD-DVD (with a dash :P: ) licensed tech, but I'm sure it won't be standard HD-DVD (again with a dash ;) ). maybe readin from the inside out and the disc spinning the other way or something. But i'm sure they are pushing for their own proprietary, unhackable, self manufactured, future proof, future standard tech.

If they get the holographic tech down, they may never need another format across any platform, retail or digit download, home or portable console.

Could Nintendo make HD-DVD(with a dash :cool; ) the standard optical format for the wii 2 and allow holograpghic to be piggy backed for security perposes? Nintendo might pick the format up cheaply if Microsoft were to abandon the format for something more advanced that is not blue ray, but I am not sure what this would be right now.
 
Nintendo will most likely take the anti-piracy measures implemented in the 3DS and make them even more advanced and agressive towards preventing piracy.
 
As for HDD support, hard drives are not that durable, but they are cheap and you can get a pretty sized drive for dirt cheap compared to flash memory. What is likely to happen is Nintendo will figure that so many hard drives have produced that the consumer can get one for cheap and that the market has made them some what durable. What Nintendo will include in the box is a plastic box similar to the 360 slim hard drive that you can diassasemble and place a hard drive into and then plug into the wii 2 console. And for the record, we are talking lap top hard drives(2.5) and not the bulky ones(3.5), which can be used externally.
 
This latch would be similar to the one on the N64 that covers the exspansion pack, but it would have to be unscrewed to take the hard drive out. Heck, we would even call it the wii 2 exspansion bay and pak.  ;D

As for online capabilities that the wii 2 must have, I want to see more MMOs. I would not mind having Final Fantasy  11 and 14, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Star Trek online, Monster Hunter Frontier and the other good MMOs available. I would not mind seeing a Legend of Zelda MMO in the future made by Retro Studios.
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 02, 2010, 12:14:53 AM
Using HD DVD would just make Nintendo look stupid. They need to use Blu Ray for the next system as their physical disc format, period. I don't know what HD DVD would have anything to do with making the system backwards compatible with Wii and GameCube - HD DVD is completely different than DVD, as is Blu Ray, but both HD DVD and Blu Ray can read DVDs (GameCube and Wii games are on plain-old, regular-ass DVDs, despite what you may believe, of course GameCube used 8cm instead of 12cm discs) either via 2 separate lasers, or 1 laser than can do both. Nintendo getting on the Netflix bandwagon shows that they have an interested in home video entertainment, they didn't license DVD video playback because everyone already has a DVD player, so it would just be an additional cost. Blu Ray is still very new, and the most popular Blu Ray player is the PS3, so it would be pretty wise for Nintendo to use the format for many reasons - and I bet they could leverage their way to either paying nothing to license the format, or very little in comparison to other companies, since an HD Wii 2 would help out the Blu Ray format quite significantly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 02, 2010, 12:19:06 AM
There's no way Nintendo would ever use a format developed by a competitor, and looking at the size of the average Wii game, they don't need anywhere near that amount of space.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 02, 2010, 01:02:25 AM
Nintendo will not adopt blu ray any time soon because it it too new and its main competitor is spear heading the format themselves, but I do eventually see them with blu ray many years in the future when the format is dead and redundant.
 
Nintendo has and always will be about making their console one or two steps behinf their competitors. They have done this since the begining and they will never change. Basically, HD-DVD as a format is fading and it is there asking Nintendo to pick it up for the wii 2.
 
The big question that I have and you alluded to it was backwards compatibility. If the wii 2 plays HD-DVD for its own games and then plays wii and gamecube games, what about the lens? Will it have to have two different types of lenses? This is what leads me towards the idea that the wii 2 will ditch Gamecube BC for emulation and keep wii BC for itself. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 02, 2010, 01:18:28 AM
since an HD Wii 2 would help out the Blu Ray format quite significantly.

Blu-ray doesn't need help. I don't know if you got the memo or not, but it won the format war against HD-DVD so its pretty much competition free at this point.

I also can't see Nintendo paying licensing fees to Sony in order to use their proprietary media format. This was actually the very same reason that Nintendo rejected the SNES CD add-on (which later went on to become the PS1). Nintendo wants to have complete ownership and control over their gaming hardware. If they went with Blu-ray then it would be Sony who would have control and say over things, and Nintendo isn't going to allow that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 02, 2010, 11:41:35 AM
The wii 2 is going to have to be HDMI ready out of the box.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 02, 2010, 12:55:29 PM
since an HD Wii 2 would help out the Blu Ray format quite significantly.

Blu-ray doesn't need help. I don't know if you got the memo or not, but it won the format war against HD-DVD so its pretty much competition free at this point.

I also can't see Nintendo paying licensing fees to Sony in order to use their proprietary media format. This was actually the very same reason that Nintendo rejected the SNES CD add-on (which later went on to become the PS1). Nintendo wants to have complete ownership and control over their gaming hardware. If they went with Blu-ray then it would be Sony who would have control and say over things, and Nintendo isn't going to allow that.

I don't know if you got the memo, but BluRay is still not doing so hot(10-15% of movie sales vs DVD). It may have won the war against HD-DVD, but it's still getting it's ass handed to it by regular DVD's. There is still plenty of room for another competitor to take the HD crown and Digital Distribution is stalling the overpriced BRD market anyway.

A Wii2 with Bluray support would definitely help the BRD make the inroads that it needs to finally make a significant dent in DVD sales. Nintendo would never agree to something like that even if Sony licensed it to them for free. Maybe if Sony gave them a seat on the board fo directors, bet that will never happen either.

Nintendo's best bet right now is their work with InPhase and hybriding the tech with a DVD for BC with the Wii & GC. If they can accomplish that for a Wii2, and get movie studios on board for the disc format (which could hold significantly more than a BRD at much faster read times for uncompressed anything moving forward), BRD might even find itself in trouble.

Digital Distro is still the path for the future, but audio/video philes, collectors & people that just love to own a physical copy will be all over such a format.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 02, 2010, 01:13:25 PM
There's no way Nintendo would be stupid enough to put HD DVD in the Wii 2. I honestly can't believe anyone would even recommend it. It's not a fading format - it's dead. I'm sure every factory that was even producing HD DVD discs has already been converted to something else. They don't make the lasers anymore, they don't make the hardware, they don't make the media. It's dead. Let it go.

Damn it, I just checked out Wikipedia and read about CBHD - China Blu High-definition Disc, which are actually HD DVD (discs). Still though, they hold 15-30GB, so that would still leave Nintendo behind the competition...they should just go with Blu Ray. Sony Computer Entertainment of America (and Europe, Japan, etc) are in competition with Nintendo, Sony Corporation itself, is not, and they are only 1 of 19 companies on the board of directors, many of which are "friendly" with Nintendo, like Panasonic, Sharp, and Samsung and LG (I could be wrong, but I think LG makes the DVD-ROM for the Wii).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 02, 2010, 01:24:41 PM
since an HD Wii 2 would help out the Blu Ray format quite significantly.

Blu-ray doesn't need help. I don't know if you got the memo or not, but it won the format war against HD-DVD so its pretty much competition free at this point.

I also can't see Nintendo paying licensing fees to Sony in order to use their proprietary media format. This was actually the very same reason that Nintendo rejected the SNES CD add-on (which later went on to become the PS1). Nintendo wants to have complete ownership and control over their gaming hardware. If they went with Blu-ray then it would be Sony who would have control and say over things, and Nintendo isn't going to allow that.

I don't know if you got the memo, but BluRay is still not doing so hot(10-15% of movie sales vs DVD). It may have won the war against HD-DVD, but it's still getting it's ass handed to it by regular DVD's. There is still plenty of room for another competitor to take the HD crown and Digital Distribution is stalling the overpriced BRD market anyway.

A Wii2 with Bluray support would definitely help the BRD make the inroads that it needs to finally make a significant dent in DVD sales. Nintendo would never agree to something like that even if Sony licensed it to them for free. Maybe if Sony gave them a seat on the board fo directors, bet that will never happen either.

Nintendo's best bet right now is their work with InPhase and hybriding the tech with a DVD for BC with the Wii & GC. If they can accomplish that for a Wii2, and get movie studios on board for the disc format (which could hold significantly more than a BRD at much faster read times for uncompressed anything moving forward), BRD might even find itself in trouble.

Digital Distro is still the path for the future, but audio/video philes, collectors & people that just love to own a physical copy will be all over such a format.

I still think that Nintendo is going to move onto HD-DVD and incorporate some of the holographic technology they have been working on with Inphase to prevent piracy.

Nintendo could really appease the western third party developes by including the ability to use the unreal engine for the wii 2. This would attract and keep developers because this engine seems to e the norm these days for game development.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 02, 2010, 01:43:43 PM
but they don't need HD DVD if they have the Holographic tech on the disc. the Holographic tech is the storage.

If they could get the tech to work with DVD, having HD-DVD would be pointless because the holographic tech is vastly superior in access speeds and storage.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 02, 2010, 01:51:14 PM
but they don't need HD DVD if they have the Holographic tech on the disc. the Holographic tech is the storage.

If they could get the tech to work with DVD, having HD-DVD would be pointless because the holographic tech is vastly superior in access speeds and storage.

But holographic storage is kind of exspensive, right? I believe that you mentioned before about how holographic storage would be perfect for anti-piracy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 02, 2010, 03:39:15 PM
There's no way Nintendo would be stupid enough to put HD DVD in the Wii 2. I honestly can't believe anyone would even recommend it. It's not a fading format - it's dead. I'm sure every factory that was even producing HD DVD discs has already been converted to something else. They don't make the lasers anymore, they don't make the hardware, they don't make the media. It's dead. Let it go.

You just don't get it. Nintendo wants to have a format which no one else uses because that makes it harder for pirates to steal their stuff. This is the reason they used weird ass tiny discs with the GC that no one else used, and you know what? The strategy worked. How prevalent was GC piracy? Not very prevalent at all. So why would Nintendo want to use an industry standard format like Blu-ray which every pirate is going to be able to crack almost immediately?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 02, 2010, 03:47:12 PM
Athough, they hold 15-30GB, so that would still leave Nintendo behind the competition...they should just go with Blu Ray.

Don't you understand that even that smaller space is overkill by far? Even the DVD format itself with its mere 9gb of storage is almost always well more than enough for most games. There are only like two Wii games out there (one of them being Metroid Trilogy with all three on one disc) that even come close to using all the space on a DVD. If 9GB is more than adequate for this generation then why should 15-30gb be not enough for the next gen?

In a worst case scenario games could span 2 discs, but with 30GB of storage per disc I don't imagine that would happen hardly ever (if at all). Its not like the next generation of consoles are going to be running holodeck simulations, so why the hell would the need terabytes of storage space per game?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 02, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
but they aren't gonna use HD-DVD because it's a dead format. All the hardware to rip and burn HD-DVD are likely dirt cheap on the market right now so why would anyone want to use that format?

Nintendo has been working on their own format for a long time, so I'm sure that's where their priorities are. But if they were to use something like BRD, I'm sure it would spin and read backwards while in game mode. That's all they did to the GC disc (AFAIK) was use a small DVD that spun backwards and read from inside to out.



Athough, they hold 15-30GB, so that would still leave Nintendo behind the competition...they should just go with Blu Ray.

Don't you understand that even that smaller space is overkill by far? Even the DVD format itself with its mere 9gb of storage is almost always well more than enough for most games. There are only like two Wii games out there (one of them being Metroid Trilogy with all three on one disc) that even come close to using all the space on a DVD. If 9GB is more than adequate for this generation then why should 15-30gb be not enough for the next gen?

In a worst case scenario games could span 2 discs, but with 30GB of storage per disc I don't imagine that would happen hardly ever (if at all). Its not like the next generation of consoles are going to be running holodeck simulations, so why the hell would the need terabytes of storage space per game?


And Nintendo could use mini HoloDisc the size of GC disc next gen and probably still get more storage and faster read times than a next gen BRD.
The most important part being the superior read times.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 02, 2010, 04:09:18 PM
but they aren't gonna use HD-DVD because it's a dead format. All the hardware to rip and burn HD-DVD are likely dirt cheap on the market right now so why would anyone want to use that format?

If this is the case then what better reason for Nintendo to take it on for the wii 2. Nintendo has always been good at taking discarded technology formally used by its competitors to make their own stuff. It just makes sense to me that Nintendo would have HD-DVD. I just can not shake this feeling that holographics stoarges is still too expensive for implementation by Nintendo.

What other things should the wii have at its disposal?

Operating System
Internal Storage
Anything that we have never thought of yet?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 02, 2010, 04:28:30 PM
And Nintendo could use mini HoloDisc the size of GC disc next gen and probably still get more storage and faster read times than a next gen BRD.
The most important part being the superior read times.

I really wish Nintendo would go back to the mini-sized discs like they used with the GC. They were really cool, and it allows for a much smaller console. The problem with the GC discs though is they only had like 1-2gb of storage space per disc so there were quite a few games that had to be on 2 discs, but if they tried that now with mini discs of a higher capacity format then they should be just fine.

Unfortunately, because Nintendo used full-sized discs with the Wii that means that in order for them to maintain BC on the Wii 2.0 they would have to enable full size disc support there as well, which means the drive and therefore the console would have to be designed larger than it would otherwise have to be. So they probably won't be using mini discs, but I wish they would because they were cool.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 02, 2010, 05:10:48 PM
And Nintendo could use mini HoloDisc the size of GC disc next gen and probably still get more storage and faster read times than a next gen BRD.
The most important part being the superior read times.

I really wish Nintendo would go back to the mini-sized discs like they used with the GC. They were really cool, and it allows for a much smaller console. The problem with the GC discs though is they only had like 1-2gb of storage space per disc so there were quite a few games that had to be on 2 discs, but if they tried that now with mini discs of a higher capacity format then they should be just fine.

Unfortunately, because Nintendo used full-sized discs with the Wii that means that in order for them to maintain BC on the Wii 2.0 they would have to enable full size disc support there as well, which means the drive and therefore the console would have to be designed larger than it would otherwise have to be. So they probably won't be using mini discs, but I wish they would because they were cool.

The wii 2 will have the same dimensions as the 360 slim. What I mean by dimensions is form factor and design. The wii 2 will also retain a disc drive and will be perhaps the last Nintendo console that uses one before switching over to digital download for good.
 
What I worrry about is whether the lense of the wii 2 will be able to hand three different types of discs. One for the wii 2(HD-DVD), one for the wii(DVD) and one for the Gamecube. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 02, 2010, 05:53:11 PM
The wii 2 will have the same dimensions as the 360 slim. What I mean by dimensions is form factor and design. The wii 2 will also retain a disc drive and will be perhaps the last Nintendo console that uses one before switching over to digital download for good.

No. It won't. Nintendo loves their physical media and I would guess they are the ones who will be last to holdout with physical media. Also their lacking online framework, unless severely turned around this coming gen (and I mean severely turned around to rival Live), we won't see digital only from Nintendo for a long while.

The problem with going all digital is that if one switches then the other systems will just get more of the physical sales pie. What would happen if Microsoft and Sony go all digital this next gen and Nintendo doesn't? Nintendo would just dominate all of the physical sales. No one wants to lose out on those.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 02, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
The wii 2 will have the same dimensions as the 360 slim. What I mean by dimensions is form factor and design. The wii 2 will also retain a disc drive and will be perhaps the last Nintendo console that uses one before switching over to digital download for good.

No. It won't. Nintendo loves their physical media and I would guess they are the ones who will be last to holdout with physical media. Also their lacking online framework, unless severely turned around this coming gen (and I mean severely turned around to rival Live), we won't see digital only from Nintendo for a long while.

The problem with going all digital is that if one switches then the other systems will just get more of the physical sales pie. What would happen if Microsoft and Sony go all digital this next gen and Nintendo doesn't? Nintendo would just dominate all of the physical sales. No one wants to lose out on those.

The internet connectivity of the wii 2 will be vastly superior to what the wii currenty has because Nintendo can no longer afford to not have some kind of robust online features for the console. The market has set this situation up and Nintendo will have to get with the times. How powerful and creative this online will be is debatable.
 
What I think is going to happen is Nintendo will offer a stream lined version for basic gamers and then offer a better version for a premium. Basiaclly the stream lined version woul be similar to Home and the premium version will be similar to XBLA. How much would the premium cost? Perhaps 2000 points for a one year subscription or the cost could be part of the console pricing.
 
Could the wii 2 use Chrome as a OS and 3G internet connectivity?
 
I want the online features for the wii 2 to accomodate MMOs and I have my eyes set mostly on Monster Hunter Frontier.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 02, 2010, 06:33:30 PM
Kytime, why don't you ever capitalize Wii? It wouldn't bother me so much if you didn't capitalize PS3 and other proper nouns, but you do. I just don't understand why you do it with everything else but never with the Wii.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 02, 2010, 06:38:20 PM
Kytime, why don't you ever capitalize Wii? It wouldn't bother me so much if you didn't capitalize PS3 and other proper nouns, but you do. I just don't understand why you do it with everything else but never with the Wii.

Sometimes I get into my zone and over look certain thing when I write on this forum.

Since you are are lecturing me on spelling, my name is Kytim and not "Kytime." Oh, do not forget the 89 and it is not "Kytim98" for the record.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 02, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
I really do wonder what kind of format Nintendo's next system will use. Given the popularity of the Wii, it would be foolish to not have it play Wii discs, so they need to have some way to play them. I highly doubt it will have support for GameCube, but it doesn't need it, no one is going to care. It would be good to not have it, since the extra spring mechanism in the Wii drive that allows it to accept GameCube discs makes it less durable.

I'm sure it would spin and read backwards while in game mode. That's all they did to the GC disc (AFAIK) was use a small DVD that spun backwards and read from inside to out.
Yeah, that's how they got around paying for the licence to use Mini-DVD. The Wii is similar, the format differs enough from DVD that they don't have to pay. Their next format could be along a similar line as well.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 02, 2010, 11:29:44 PM
There's no way Nintendo would be stupid enough to put HD DVD in the Wii 2. I honestly can't believe anyone would even recommend it. It's not a fading format - it's dead. I'm sure every factory that was even producing HD DVD discs has already been converted to something else. They don't make the lasers anymore, they don't make the hardware, they don't make the media. It's dead. Let it go.

You just don't get it. Nintendo wants to have a format which no one else uses because that makes it harder for pirates to steal their stuff. This is the reason they used weird ass tiny discs with the GC that no one else used, and you know what? The strategy worked. How prevalent was GC piracy? Not very prevalent at all. So why would Nintendo want to use an industry standard format like Blu-ray which every pirate is going to be able to crack almost immediately?
The lack of "prevalent" piracy on the GameCube had absolutely nothing to do with the disc size. After all - they were just DVDs. All you need to do is take off the top of the casing (or replace with with one of the many, many replacement tops) and you could put a regular DVD inside there. The GameCube actually had pretty decent security, but it also had a pretty weak install base, and yes, it was for kids, which is basically why hardly anyone cared enough to try to hack it for so long.
I really do wonder what kind of format Nintendo's next system will use. Given the popularity of the Wii, it would be foolish to not have it play Wii discs, so they need to have some way to play them. I highly doubt it will have support for GameCube, but it doesn't need it, no one is going to care. It would be good to not have it, since the extra spring mechanism in the Wii drive that allows it to accept GameCube discs makes it less durable.

I'm sure it would spin and read backwards while in game mode. That's all they did to the GC disc (AFAIK) was use a small DVD that spun backwards and read from inside to out.
Yeah, that's how they got around paying for the licence to use Mini-DVD. The Wii is similar, the format differs enough from DVD that they don't have to pay. Their next format could be along a similar line as well.
Wrong. The discs do not spin backwards, and they are nothing more than DVDs, they're just 8cm discs. The fact that the system did not play DVD video (without modification) is how they got around licensing costs - same thing for the Wii. And all DVD and CD player read from inside to out, that's why if you rip a disc or burn a disc, the process speeds up as it goes on.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 03, 2010, 12:41:22 AM
I highly doubt it will have support for GameCube, but it doesn't need it, no one is going to care.

That's absolutely true. In fact, for the most part the GC backwards compatibility on the Wii is largely a redundant feature as it is. Most people who own Wiis did not own GC games and accessories, so the ports serve no purpose to them other than to cause confusion. The only people who cared about GC BC were hardcore Nintendo fans, and they almost certainly have a Wii by now. If Nintendo started manufacturing Wiis without GC ports and support I don't think many people would care or even notice. This is something we might actually see happen in a Wii revision, if Nintendo does that before releasing the Wii 2.
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 03, 2010, 01:10:40 AM
I highly doubt it will have support for GameCube, but it doesn't need it, no one is going to care.

That's absolutely true. In fact, for the most part the GC backwards compatibility on the Wii is largely a redundant feature as it is. Most people who own Wiis did not own GC games and accessories, so the ports serve no purpose to them other than to cause confusion. The only people who cared about GC BC were hardcore Nintendo fans, and they almost certainly have a Wii by now. If Nintendo started manufacturing Wiis without GC ports and support I don't think many people would care or even notice. This is something we might actually see happen in a Wii revision, if Nintendo does that before releasing the Wii 2.

Backwards compatibility is a consistent selling point towards the beginning at a new console's lifetime.  The PS2 partially sold so well because people knew they could play nearly every PSX game on it, and those were pretty cheap at the same time.

Likewise, the concept of the Wii's GC compatibility meant a lot to a lot of early adopters, specifically those without GameCubes.  Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pikmin and other Nintendo franchises they missed out on were now suddenly available.  Don't underestimate it's value in the initial adoption of a new product.
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Post by: Stratos on October 03, 2010, 06:00:47 AM
It may seem like a minor issue now, but remember the ruckus over the removal of BC from the PS3 or how the 360 doesn't play all XBox games. It would become a big deal if a new console failed to include it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 03, 2010, 09:40:55 AM
I highly doubt it will have support for GameCube, but it doesn't need it, no one is going to care.

That's absolutely true. In fact, for the most part the GC backwards compatibility on the Wii is largely a redundant feature as it is. Most people who own Wiis did not own GC games and accessories, so the ports serve no purpose to them other than to cause confusion. The only people who cared about GC BC were hardcore Nintendo fans, and they almost certainly have a Wii by now. If Nintendo started manufacturing Wiis without GC ports and support I don't think many people would care or even notice. This is something we might actually see happen in a Wii revision, if Nintendo does that before releasing the Wii 2.

Backwards compatibility is a consistent selling point towards the beginning at a new console's lifetime.  The PS2 partially sold so well because people knew they could play nearly every PSX game on it, and those were pretty cheap at the same time.

Likewise, the concept of the Wii's GC compatibility meant a lot to a lot of early adopters, specifically those without GameCubes.  Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pikmin and other Nintendo franchises they missed out on were now suddenly available.  Don't underestimate it's value in the initial adoption of a new product.

This brings up two scemarios for Gamecube BC on the Wii 2:
 
The first involves BC similar to that of the Wii. Basically the Wii 2 plays its own discs and those of the Wii and Gamecube. Of course this translates into costs which Nintendo then goes on to charge to the customers. The Wii 2 also retains the controller and memory card ports that Wii has available, which costs money and is then transfered to the customer.
 
The second involves Nintendo ditching BC via disc drive for emulation. The Gamecube is added to the virtual console and the Gamecube ports are then removed to make the system smaller. Nintendo then charges 1500 for the Gamecube virtual console games and gets you to rebuy them again. This raises two problems: One, will the Wii 2 be able to handle emualting the Gamecube, and second, what about controllers and accessories. The answer to the second problem is a USB adapter that has a Gamecube port on one end and is activated in the accessories panel of the Wii 2.
 
I personally would not have much issue with the second scenario if Nintendo allowed me to transfer my Gamecube memory cards to the Wii 2 internal memory for the VC titles. The seventy plus hours I invested in Twilight Princess is just too close to my heart to let go because I have to start the game over.
 
Which scenario is better? Which one is cheaper?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 03, 2010, 12:38:10 PM
First of all the Wii chip is a GC chip. The Wii chip downclocks it self to play GC games, so if the Wii2 can play Wii games from the disc, it can play GC from th disc.

2nd, if Nintendo uses a next gen tech for storage (miniHoloDisc), maybe that tech allows for mini disc again and will use the same slot drive tech going forward. It would accept mini Wii2Disc, large Wii Disc and mini GC disc. You don't really want your console being any smaller than the Wii already is. You want it to be noticed and not invisible, so a regular sized disc drive is fine.

3rd, as far as GC ports go, they could release a wireless Bluetooth adapter (something I've suggested since a long time ago) or a 4 port adapter for the Wiimote that has the GC controller and mem card support on it.

4th, why not add GC to the VC list? It's not like you can just go into any store and purchase GC games, especially 2, 3, 4, 5 from now. I expect Nintendo to have figured out storage solutions by the time the next gen home console comes out(Sony & MS have) and space should not be an issue.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 03, 2010, 02:45:47 PM
First of all the Wii chip is a GC chip. The Wii chip downclocks it self to play GC games, so if the Wii2 can play Wii games from the disc, it can play GC from th disc.

2nd, if Nintendo uses a next gen tech for storage (miniHoloDisc), maybe that tech allows for mini disc again and will use the same slot drive tech going forward. It would accept mini Wii2Disc, large Wii Disc and mini GC disc. You don't really want your console being any smaller than the Wii already is. You want it to be noticed and not invisible, so a regular sized disc drive is fine.

3rd, as far as GC ports go, they could release a wireless Bluetooth adapter (something I've suggested since a long time ago) or a 4 port adapter for the Wiimote that has the GC controller and mem card support on it.

4th, why not add GC to the VC list? It's not like you can just go into any store and purchase GC games, especially 2, 3, 4, 5 from now. I expect Nintendo to have figured out storage solutions by the time the next gen home console comes out(Sony & MS have) and space should not be an issue.

I do not have that many Gamecube games at my disposal, but now I realize that I can get them much cheaper via retail than if I bought them from Nintendo's virtaul console. It would be neat, however.
 
As for the Wii 2 not having any ports for the Gamecube controller, they could always go with my idea of having a built Wavebird reciever that acts as four individual revievers and all you do is set a specific channel to each controller via an accessory menu within the console. How much would this cost?
 
The second part involves the other controllers for the various virtual console controllers. Nintendo, or some third party could release an adapter that plugs into a USB and has plugs for each console being emulated on the wii 2(Saturn and Drea,cast included).
 
Overall, I keep envisioning the Wii 2 being similar in size to the 360 slim and there is enough room on that system for Gamecube ports and maybe some extras for other consoles if the price is right.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 03, 2010, 03:21:30 PM
Nintendo would want people to rebuy their old GC games anyway, so that creates an incentive for them to break BC even if its a technically trivial feature to implement. I would guess the Wii 2.0 will have a hard drive, or at least flash storage of considerable size so being able to download and store GC games on the HDD should be possible, but even so they might repackage certain GC games and sell them at retail stores on disc format. They've already done that with the Wii-ports of games like Mario Tennis, Pikmin, etc. where the only thing really changed was the addition of motion controls.

We might see something like that happen with other GC classics, like Zelda Wind Waker, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, Star Fox Adventures, etc. They may even bundle multiple GC titles on a single disc, ala Metroid Trilogy. That wouldn't be a problem because DVDs hold 2-3 times as much as the GC discs, so you'd think a DVD could contain 2-3 GC games.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 03, 2010, 03:36:29 PM
Nintendo would want people to rebuy their old GC games anyway, so that creates an incentive for them to break BC even if its a technically trivial feature to implement. I would guess the Wii 2.0 will have a hard drive, or at least flash storage of considerable size so being able to download and store GC games on the HDD should be possible, but even so they might repackage certain GC games and sell them at retail stores on disc format. They've already done that with the Wii-ports of games like Mario Tennis, Pikmin, etc. where the only thing really changed was the addition of motion controls.

We might see something like that happen with other GC classics, like Zelda Wind Waker, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, Star Fox Adventures, etc. They may even bundle multiple GC titles on a single disc, ala Metroid Trilogy. That wouldn't be a problem because DVDs hold 2-3 times as much as the GC discs, so you'd think a DVD could contain 2-3 GC games.

I figure that the Wii 2 wil have atleast 4 GB of internal flash memory and 8 GB of memory at the most. I do not see them going any higher or lower than these two numbers and especielly since flash memory is getting cheaper. I have said this plenty of times already, but Nintendo is going to offer every storage solution available to the consumer for two reasons: First, they want to avoid hearing consumers complain about the lack of storage, and second, they do not have to spend too money on internal memory themselves. As for the HDD irself, I would prefer Nintendo just stayed out of developing their own HDDs and jsut set a specific type(ATA?) for the consumer to put into the Wii 2.
 
As for rebranding Gamecube games to sell again, Nintendo never misses a chance to get us to rebuy their stuff. What better way than to either offer GC on virtual console or as remakes on HD-DVD. Either way, they want yor money.
 
BnM, I would not be suprised if Nintendo found a way to return to the GC style discs, but I do not see it happening. Nintendo will most likely move onto HD-DVD for the next home console. 
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 03, 2010, 10:18:31 PM

The Wii 2 will be about the same size and dimensions of the 360 slim. The upgraded version of the classice controller will be wireless like the one for the 360 in the picture.


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Post by: Kytim89 on October 03, 2010, 10:20:33 PM







I figure that the Wii 2 will be about the same size and dimensions of the 360 slim. The upgraded version of the classice controller will be wireless like the one for the 360 in the picture.
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Post by: King of Twitch on October 03, 2010, 10:23:54 PM
Tell me more, future boy
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 03, 2010, 10:38:50 PM
Tell me more, future boy

I originally wanted the Wii 2 to be smaller than the current model, but BnM convinced me that the Wii 2 will have to be bigger than the Wii in order to have HD graphics and what ever the else the current HD consoles have at their disposal.
 
The Wii 2 will most likely try to imitate the 360 and it will be to that system what the 3DS is in some ways to the PSP.
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Post by: King of Twitch on October 03, 2010, 10:42:04 PM
Do you know stuff?
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 03, 2010, 11:32:25 PM
Do you know stuff?

What do you mean, Zap?
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Post by: King of Twitch on October 03, 2010, 11:41:17 PM
About things?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 03, 2010, 11:54:43 PM
I did/said wut now?
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 03, 2010, 11:57:26 PM
All I am sayinng is that the I am predicting that the Wii 2 will look similar to the 360 slim.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 04, 2010, 12:20:54 AM
Yes, you've mentioned that in multiple threads (like you frequently do).
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 12:34:24 AM
Well, let's get back to Wii 2 speculation.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 04, 2010, 01:04:22 AM
Kytime89 is actually none other than Satoru Iwata. That's how he happens to know so much about Nintendo's future plans. My guess is he is posting here incognito so he can gauge the community's reactions to his ideas.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 01:54:02 AM
Let's assume for a moment that the Wii 2 is roughly the same size as the 360 slim, would it be cost prohibitive to have a port for the controller of every virtual console? What I am saying is that all I need to do is plug plug in my Genesis controller directly into the side of the Wii 2 console and then enjoy Sonic and Gun Star Heroes. The same goes for the N64 and the other consoles on the service.
 
Let's also assume that these are the consoles available:
 
NES
SNES
N64
Master System
Genesis
Neo Geo
Turbo Grafx 16
Commodore 64
Saturn
Dreamcast
 
It seems like it would be cheap to produce these parts, but at the same time it seems as if it would be too expensive at the same time. I mean it might help casuals towards figuring out the virtual console if they were to notice a bunch of ports labeled for each console they might put two and two togehter and help raise sales of virtual console titles. 

Edit: I was thinking about only one port for each each controller, which would not be good for multiplayer games.

Could these hard drives ever be used in the Wii 2?

http://kotaku.com/5633779/budget-sub+150-solid-state-drive-round+up
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 04, 2010, 03:01:15 AM
Dude.  That is a LOT of controller sockets.
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Post by: Stogi on October 04, 2010, 03:51:48 AM
I agree with BnM in that Nintendo is working on its on proprietary format; holographic or otherwise. As for onboard storage, Nintendo would be stupid to repeat the same mistake they made with the Wii, i.e. not having enough of it and later having to release a patch to allow for more. If they are going to keep the VC and WiiWare (and they are), they'd better allow for third-party storage and give it at least 32 gb of onboard from the get go.

As for the processors and gpu, I have no idea what Nintendo will do, but I know the criteria that both chips will fall in.

1. It must produce HD graphics. Yes it raises development cost, but not having an HDMI out will make it seem like extremely low tech and thus not worth the value. The only way the Wii got away without it is because the Wiimote was (and is) extremely revolutionary. I don't care what Nintendo has planned in terms of new controls, but i know no matter how revolutionary it is, the Wii 2 still needs HD support.

2. It'll be extremely energy efficient and quiet.

3. It'll be extremely cheap.

4. Finally, the graphical prowess will match current consoles and not outperform them. Iwata once said that we have just about reached the graphical ceiling. I believe him.

As for the features of the Wii 2.

1. It'll have WiFi.

2. It'll have bluetooth connections.

3. It'll have rechargeable controllers with the option to put standard batteries in. (think 360)

4. It'll be backwards compatible. I'm not sure about GC support but my intuition tells me we'll most likely see that on VC.

5. Online will be extremely simple but with plenty of features we've come to enjoy on other consoles. Headset, videochat, etc. You still won't be able to communicate with anyone other than friends (as in invite them to games or chat with them), but it'll be much easier to add them.

6. The OS will be able to multi-task. That means while playing you can pause and return the main menu or receive real time alerts.

7. It'll somehow communicate with 3DS. I don't know how or for what reason, but I know why. 3DS is going to kill, the Wii already kills. But both have major gimmicks (please pardon the negative connotation). The Wii 2 will probably have a more refined Wiimote and Nunchuck (maybe with a camera attachment (possibly 2 for 3D?), but that's about it. It's going to be a very evolutionary product. The tie-in is a simple effective ways to boost sales.

8. It'll be the same size as the Wii.

9. It'll be a little sleeker than the Wii, possibly made with some metal.

10. It'll retain the channel system, but think the iPhone in terms of how it'll look and react.

That's pretty much all I got.

Dictated, not read. The Management.

10/4/10
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Post by: Stratos on October 04, 2010, 04:27:22 AM
...give it at least 32 gb of onboard from the get go.

And not pull the 'half is reserved for system updates and such' trick like they did with Wii. People kept throwing around the flash memory of Wii like we could fit that much VC/WW stuff on it but only half of it was open for our use. Stupid anti-piracy updates took up the rest of our space.
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Post by: DAaaMan64 on October 04, 2010, 05:56:25 AM
Athough, they hold 15-30GB, so that would still leave Nintendo behind the competition...they should just go with Blu Ray.

Don't you understand that even that smaller space is overkill by far? Even the DVD format itself with its mere 9gb of storage is almost always well more than enough for most games.

Thats true until you add cinema scenes. A must for Square and Kojima support -_-
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 04, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
When games are in HD, and feature HD cinematics, that measly 9GB will fill up quickly. There are quite a few multi-disc games on the 360 now.

Also a little side not - about the in-game main  menu stuff that The Unagi mentioned - ever wonder why it's so limited in Wii games? Because it's actually built into each game, when you press the home button and get the "home" screen, that's not anything running in the background, it is actually individually added into every game, which is why sometimes it'll be in 4:3 if your TV is set to 16:9.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 10:46:05 AM
Dude.  That is a LOT of controller sockets.

Pop off a latch on the side of the console and the ports are exposed to plug the controllers into for gameplay. I really like this  idea and hope that it hapens, but for some reason it seems as if costs might prohibit it from happening. How much would it cost to produce these ports? I mean SEGA has most of them and I bet they have a warehouse full of spare parts.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 04, 2010, 11:51:26 AM
Some of you are acting like if a disc can't hold the entirety of a game its the end of the world. Is it really that much of a problem if a game spills over across another disc? Its not like we're talking about N64 carts here, which indeed had very limited space and lacked room for FMV and so on. Putting a game on two carts was out of the question because each cart cost $15 or so to manufacture. That's not true with optical media, where you're looking at like 50 cents or something for each disc. Not a problem at all.

So why is it so absolutely critical that games must be on a single disc? After 20 hours of gameplay you might have to flip a disc, but big deal. If you're that lazy you can't switch a disc half way through the game then there's something wrong with you that no optical format could ever fix.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 04, 2010, 11:55:18 AM
Dude.  That is a LOT of controller sockets.

Pop off a latch on the side of the console and the ports are exposed to plug the controllers into for gameplay. I really like this  idea and hope that it hapens, but for some reason it seems as if costs might prohibit it from happening. How much would it cost to produce these ports? I mean SEGA has most of them and I bet they have a warehouse full of spare parts.

Its a stupid idea and it isn't going to happen. Even the GC controller ports will be phased out eventually.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 11:57:14 AM
Some of you are acting like if a disc can't hold the entirety of a game its the end of the world. Is it really that much of a problem if a game spills over across another disc? Its not like we're talking about N64 carts here, which indeed had very limited space and lacked room for FMV and so on. Putting a game on two carts was out of the question because each cart cost $15 or so to manufacture. That's not true with optical media, where you're looking at like 50 cents or something for each disc. Not a problem at all.

So why is it so absolutely critical that games must be on a single disc? After 20 hours of gameplay you might have to flip a disc, but big deal. If you're that lazy you can't switch a disc half way through the game then there's something wrong with you that no optical format could ever fix.

One disc is easier to manage than three. This reminds me of the time when I had a copy of Metal Gear Solid and the second disc got scratched and I sit for a month waiting to get a new one before Snake could proceed into the blast furnace.
 
Multi-disced games are also a archetype of the PS1 generation and has no place in today's games.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 11:57:55 AM
Dude.  That is a LOT of controller sockets.

Pop off a latch on the side of the console and the ports are exposed to plug the controllers into for gameplay. I really like this  idea and hope that it hapens, but for some reason it seems as if costs might prohibit it from happening. How much would it cost to produce these ports? I mean SEGA has most of them and I bet they have a warehouse full of spare parts.

Its a stupid idea and it isn't going to happen. Even the GC controller ports will be phased out eventually.
 
A USB adapter is the way to go then, right?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 04, 2010, 11:59:36 AM
Some of you are acting like if a disc can't hold the entirety of a game its the end of the world. Is it really that much of a problem if a game spills over across another disc? Its not like we're talking about N64 carts here, which indeed had very limited space and lacked room for FMV and so on. Putting a game on two carts was out of the question because each cart cost $15 or so to manufacture. That's not true with optical media, where you're looking at like 50 cents or something for each disc. Not a problem at all.

So why is it so absolutely critical that games must be on a single disc? After 20 hours of gameplay you might have to flip a disc, but big deal. If you're that lazy you can't switch a disc half way through the game then there's something wrong with you that no optical format could ever fix.

One disc is easier to manage than three. This reminds me of the time when I had a copy of Metal Gear Solid and the second disc got scratched and I sit for a month waiting to get a new one before Snake could proceed into the blast furnace.
 
Multi-disced games are also a archetype of the PS1 generation and has no place in today's games.

I never had that problem because I always took good care of my stuff. If my game wasn't in the system then it was in the case. No exceptions. I didn't throw them around on the floor or let people "borrow" them.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 04, 2010, 12:03:58 PM
Same here, I don't understand how people let their discs get damaged. If you have kids, for example, keep the games out of their reach.
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Post by: broodwars on October 04, 2010, 12:09:56 PM
So long as the discs have proper places within the case (Lost Odyssey with your 4 discs stacked on top of each other on a single spindle, I'm looking at you!) and you take care of your discs, I've never had an issue with multi-disc games.  While I would prefer to have my nice Wii 2 HD games on one disc, it doesn't particularly bother me to have multi-disc games provided the games are programmed in an intelligent way.  For instance, a multi-disc game that recently irritated me was Mass Effect 2, where there are planets that you can only access on Disc 1 and planets you can only access on Disc 2.  This means there's some unnecessary and annoying disc-swapping if you do the planets out of whatever order the developers wanted you to do.  You even have to swap to Disc 1 to visit the final location in the game!
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 04, 2010, 01:34:15 PM
Multi-disc games can get around much of the hassle by having one disc as an "install disc" which basically dumps its contents onto the hard drive, and the other disc being the "play disc" which has the rest of the game's Data, plus it also serves the purpose of preventing people from letting their friends install the game and basically get the game for free. Once you've installed the Install Disc there is pretty much no reason you ever need to use it again, unless you need to install it again for whatever reason. There are lots of PC games that work in this manner.

It is understandable and forgivable that the Wii didn't have an HDD, but the Wii's successor better damn well have one. Nintendo won't be able to use the "market isn't ready for it" excuse the next time around. So the ability to install games on the HDD should be an option. You'd think Nintendo would want to get in on it anyway because there is a lot of money to be made selling add ons and other downloadable content, and plus the problems like the recent glitch in Other M would be more easy to remedy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 04, 2010, 04:29:36 PM
I honestly think that if Nintendo is willing to give "free" 2gb SD cards with every 3DS, that they are seriously considering reverting back to "carts" for their home console.

There are many reasons why this would be beneficial:

1. Load times would again be non-existant, emphasizing the pick-up and play feel the Wii already exudes.

2. Files could be saved directly onto the game. I would love for saves to be on the game itself and on the internet. But I'll suffice with the game itself only.

3. Small thumb print, both in size and packaging. An easy way to shave pennies.

4. It's an easy way to differentiate yourself from the other copy cat systems. It also seems more futuristic, more gadgetry.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 05:14:09 PM
I honestly think that if Nintendo is willing to give "free" 2gb SD cards with every 3DS, that they are seriously considering reverting back to "carts" for their home console.

There are many reasons why this would be beneficial:

1. Load times would again be non-existant, emphasizing the pick-up and play feel the Wii already exudes.

2. Files could be saved directly onto the game. I would love for saves to be on the game itself and on the internet. But I'll suffice with the game itself only.

3. Small thumb print, both in size and packaging. An easy way to shave pennies.

4. It's an easy way to differentiate yourself from the other copy cat systems. It also seems more futuristic, more gadgetry.

This is a very good and credible argument for the return of cartridge based games, but if Nintendo wants to attaract more third party developes and keep them on board for the Wii 2, they must proceed forward with either HD-DVD or holographic discs because the third parties will look at carts as too primative to return to despite the advantages that you mentioned.
 
I would argue that the 360 has gotten pretty good third party support since its inception and Nintendo needs to take the format of the 360, HD-DVD, and incorporate it into the Wii 2. Third parties will already be familiar with with that format and will be able to develop for the Wii 2 right off the bat.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 04, 2010, 05:31:45 PM
360 doesn't use HD-DVD though. It uses Dual Layer DVD's which the Wii can already read.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 04, 2010, 05:42:48 PM
@ Kytim - Did you just imply that the format of the 360 is HD DVD?

HD DVD is dead, the equipment for HD DVD has been sold off and your common enthusiast may even have HD DVD burners at home. Nintendo will not use that format for the next system. It may use a blue laser disc tech, but it won't be HD DVD(as it was). You are stuck on that like you were previously stuck on RARE coming back to Nintendo. let it go.
Nintendo is and has been working on their own storage solution for (more than?) a decade now and I'm sure they are working hard to make it useable and affordable.

and for something Stogi said earlier, I think Wii2 will exceed the PS360 graphically/technically, but definitely won't blow it away by any means.   PS360 <<<Wii2<<<<< PS4/720

edit: beaten to the reply
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on October 04, 2010, 06:07:10 PM
the rumors that Nintendo will go back to a solid state are pretty rampant, but cartridges speedy load times will be efficient when developers switch from polygons to voxel trees.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
@ Kytim - Did you just imply that the format of the 360 is HD DVD?

HD DVD is dead, the equipment for HD DVD has been sold off and your common enthusiast may even have HD DVD burners at home. Nintendo will not use that format for the next system. It may use a blue laser disc tech, but it won't be HD DVD(as it was). You are stuck on that like you were previously stuck on RARE coming back to Nintendo. let it go.
Nintendo is and has been working on their own storage solution for (more than?) a decade now and I'm sure they are working hard to make it useable and affordable.

and for something Stogi said earlier, I think Wii2 will exceed the PS360 graphically/technically, but definitely won't blow it away by any means.   PS360 <<<Wii2<<<<< PS4/720

edit: beaten to the reply

Pardon me. I was not aware that the 360 did not use HD-DVD discs. I was always under the impression that it did use them. I do not want to see cartridges again, though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 04, 2010, 06:10:09 PM
I'd love for Nintendo to support cartridges/cards, if they could do so without compromising affordability. Coupled with an SSD for storage and you have a faster console with no moving parts (I detest load times). Of course, Nintendo would have to abandon true backwards compatibility with Wii/GCN, unless they plan a USB disc drive, for example... not sure if people would buy into it though. Abandoning disc based media is an interesting concept and I'm sure the idea has bounced around Nintendo's Research and Development department. If Nintendo can secure quality and consistent 3rd party support (they've pulled off some flat-out miracles on 3DS and all they'd really need is a pledge of multiplatform support), lacking backwards compatibility may actually not hurt Nintendo too, too much in the short run. In the long run, backwards compatibility becomes almost a non-issue. Sony abandoned 2 generations' worth of BC and people bitched at first and hardly anyone mentions it anymore. If Nintendo isn't going to support DVD/Blu-Ray movie playback and most games are under 4GB anyway (and the option for larger cards is available), why not? I think the pros far outweigh the cons.
I think Wii2 will exceed the PS360 graphically/technically, but definitely won't blow it away by any means.
I actually disagree. Developers are talking about 3DS coming close to PS3/360 and Nintendo admitted that they didn't want 3rd parties to feel they couldn't create the games they wanted because of the specs. That said, I expect to see Nintendo take the same approach to the successor to the Wii. Their home consoles definitely need more help in terms of support. 3rd parties will say, we want X, Y, and Z and Nintendo will likely give it to them because 3rd parties have made no secret of the fact that they're more than willing to tell Nintendo to f*ck off. Nintendo is selling a $300 handheld in Japan, I think it's safe to say they've abandoned their price weariness, though, admittedly, 3DS is marked up like whoa and I don't actually see them going over $300. I expect it to keep pace with Sony and Microsoft's next consoles, even if it's underpowered due to Nintendo launching first. Still, I'd compare the discrepancy in processing power to PS2 vs Gamecube/Xbox rather than Wii vs. PS3/360.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 04, 2010, 06:21:21 PM
I think Wii2 will be to the PS360 as the Wii is to the GC/Xbox when it comes to next gen. only the WIi2 will have modern shader tech to make the differences more noticeable.

But the PS4/720 will be to the Wii2 what the PS360 was to the Wii. The cycle shall continue only 3rd parties won't care because graphically, all systems will be similar.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 04, 2010, 06:24:02 PM
@ Kytim - Did you just imply that the format of the 360 is HD DVD?

HD DVD is dead, the equipment for HD DVD has been sold off and your common enthusiast may even have HD DVD burners at home. Nintendo will not use that format for the next system. It may use a blue laser disc tech, but it won't be HD DVD(as it was). You are stuck on that like you were previously stuck on RARE coming back to Nintendo. let it go.
Nintendo is and has been working on their own storage solution for (more than?) a decade now and I'm sure they are working hard to make it useable and affordable.

and for something Stogi said earlier, I think Wii2 will exceed the PS360 graphically/technically, but definitely won't blow it away by any means.   PS360 <<<Wii2<<<<< PS4/720

edit: beaten to the reply

Pardon me. I was not aware that the 360 did not use HD-DVD discs. I was always under the impression that it did use them. I do not want to see cartridges again, though.

I think you may have been confused because Microsoft did sell a Xbox 360 add-on that let people play HD DVD discs on the system. There were even rumors that Microsoft was going to announce a Xbox 360 with the player built in at CES 2008 until Toshiba announced that they were ending support for HD DVD (which was basically the death of the format since they were the main supporters of it).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 04, 2010, 06:45:03 PM
I'd love for Nintendo to support cartridges/cards, if they could do so without compromising affordability. Coupled with an SSD for storage and you have a faster console with no moving parts (I detest load times). Of course, Nintendo would have to abandon true backwards compatibility with Wii/GCN, unless they plan a USB disc drive, for example... not sure if people would buy into it though. Abandoning disc based media is an interesting concept and I'm sure the idea has bounced around Nintendo's Research and Development department. If Nintendo can secure quality and consistent 3rd party support (they've pulled off some flat-out miracles on 3DS and all they'd really need is a pledge of multiplatform support), lacking backwards compatibility may actually not hurt Nintendo too, too much in the short run. In the long run, backwards compatibility becomes almost a non-issue. Sony abandoned 2 generations' worth of BC and people bitched at first and hardly anyone mentions it anymore. If Nintendo isn't going to support DVD/Blu-Ray movie playback and most games are under 4GB anyway (and the option for larger cards is available), why not? I think the pros far outweigh the cons.
I think Wii2 will exceed the PS360 graphically/technically, but definitely won't blow it away by any means.
I actually disagree. Developers are talking about 3DS coming close to PS3/360 and Nintendo admitted that they didn't want 3rd parties to feel they couldn't create the games they wanted because of the specs. That said, I expect to see Nintendo take the same approach to the successor to the Wii. Their home consoles definitely need more help in terms of support. 3rd parties will say, we want X, Y, and Z and Nintendo will likely give it to them because 3rd parties have made no secret of the fact that they're more than willing to tell Nintendo to f*ck off. Nintendo is selling a $300 handheld in Japan, I think it's safe to say they've abandoned their price weariness, though, admittedly, 3DS is marked up like whoa and I don't actually see them going over $300. I expect it to keep pace with Sony and Microsoft's next consoles, even if it's underpowered due to Nintendo launching first. Still, I'd compare the discrepancy in processing power to PS2 vs Gamecube/Xbox rather than Wii vs. PS3/360.

I'm glad you agree, but there is no need to completely disavow a DVD drive. They are cheap enough that adding true backwards compatibility for the Wii is well worth the extra price.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 04, 2010, 07:10:24 PM
HD DVD is dead, the equipment for HD DVD has been sold off and your common enthusiast may even have HD DVD burners at home.

Although that is true, the burners aren't very wide spread and no further burners are or will ever be manufactured again, so the ones that break down are toast forever. Another thing is the blank HD-DVD writable media isn't being manufactured anymore either, and I imagine what little of it remains is so expensive now that it wouldn't make piracy very feasible/profitable. Not to mention the fact Nintendo would bastardize the format even further by using angular lasers or whatever, just like how they've bastardized DVD for the Wii/GC. The format the Wii uses is based on DVD and has the same storage capacity, but its a distinctly different format. This was done to defeat piracy and also make it so Nintendo didn't have to pay licensing fees to the DVD Forum.

However, with HD-DVD I don't think bastardizing it is entirely necessary because like you said its a dead format, which means the HD-DVD forum no longer even exists, however it would put up another layer of obstacles for potential pirates who may happen to have the HD-DVD equipment and blank media laying around.

But you have to agree that even though some people may have HD-DVD equipment, there are fewer who own that that happen to own Blu-ray equipment, seeing as how Blu-ray is still alive and more widely adopted.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on October 04, 2010, 07:40:40 PM
I think Kytim might be on to something:

(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/128/l_a7c7bcbb2440451cb3d957df13008d59.jpg)
(rough Wii 2 mockup)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 04, 2010, 07:54:23 PM
That is why I said they wouldn't use HD DVD (AS IT WAS), I was implying that they would alter the tech in some way or just use another standard the that allowed higher capacity using red/blue lasers.

It's possible they get a really good deal on Bluray and it's also possible that their holodisc tech made a break through and is ready for prime time. Some many things could happen for Wii2, but I'm almost positive HD DVD will not be one of them.

on another note, did you guys hear about some new gaming related announcement tonite on MTV?
Major consumer electronics company to tease new gaming-related product tonight (http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2010/10/4-4)
tonite on Rob Dyrdeks Fantasy Factory.
Quote from: Jim@NeoGAF
Can't really say much about it yet except that it's something sort of unexpected.

It makes no sense that it's being revealed on the show, so don't think that logically.

Pro-tip: Don't set your expectations high, though it's definitely something I wouldn't have expected.

Anyone care to take a guess?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 04, 2010, 07:55:43 PM
Nintendo's vitality sensor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 04, 2010, 08:07:34 PM
I'm glad you agree, but there is no need to completely disavow a DVD drive. They are cheap enough that adding true backwards compatibility for the Wii is well worth the extra price.
Include a disc drive just for backwards compatibility? I guess the GBA slot in the DS is along the same concept. Still, I'd rather nix the drive entirely if they're going to use cards as their storage medium. Save on the parts and have an all around more durable console. The only moving part would be the fan, assuming Nintendo goes with a SSD.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 08:15:36 PM
HD DVD is dead, the equipment for HD DVD has been sold off and your common enthusiast may even have HD DVD burners at home.

Although that is true, the burners aren't very wide spread and no further burners are or will ever be manufactured again, so the ones that break down are toast forever. Another thing is the blank HD-DVD writable media isn't being manufactured anymore either, and I imagine what little of it remains is so expensive now that it wouldn't make piracy very feasible/profitable. Not to mention the fact Nintendo would bastardize the format even further by using angular lasers or whatever, just like how they've bastardized DVD for the Wii/GC. The format the Wii uses is based on DVD and has the same storage capacity, but its a distinctly different format. This was done to defeat piracy and also make it so Nintendo didn't have to pay licensing fees to the DVD Forum.

However, with HD-DVD I don't think bastardizing it is entirely necessary because like you said its a dead format, which means the HD-DVD forum no longer even exists, however it would put up another layer of obstacles for potential pirates who may happen to have the HD-DVD equipment and blank media laying around.

But you have to agree that even though some people may have HD-DVD equipment, there are fewer who own that that happen to own Blu-ray equipment, seeing as how Blu-ray is still alive and more widely adopted.

This is my reasoning for Nintendo adopting the format and I a sorry for beating a dead horse. Nintendo wants something that they can get for a quick buck and they also want to cut down on the amount of pirates drastically. The question is how much would it cost them to aquire the technology? What I am betting on is that they will take on HD-DVD and tinker it to their liking and then use it long enough to do even more research into future storages solutions.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 08:18:34 PM
I think Kytim might be on to something:

(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/128/l_a7c7bcbb2440451cb3d957df13008d59.jpg)
(rough Wii 2 mockup)

Zap, did you make this yourself? What I had in mind involved the Wii 2 being about the same dimensions as the 360 slim. Imagine  console haing the ports for each of thise consoles on top(opposite side of where the HDD is inserted). Would this be too expensive?

Judging by all the ports to the 3DS, I am wondering what kindof ports the Wii 2 will have when it releases.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 04, 2010, 08:24:41 PM
Would this be too expensive?
No, but it would look ridiculous. That was the whole point of Zap's mock-up...  mock being the operative word there.

And if something is worth pirating.. pirates will find a way to pirate it... even if it's on HD-DVD. Why are we even still talking about HD-DVD? It's not going to happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 08:34:20 PM
Would this be too expensive?
No, but it would look ridiculous. That was the whole point of Zap's mock-up...  mock being the operative word there.

And if something is worth pirating.. pirates will find a way to pirate it... even if it's on HD-DVD. Why are we even still talking about HD-DVD? It's not going to happen.

I have made my point about HD-DVD, so I will shut up about it for now. As for the mock up, it would be nice to have it on the side of the console for when it is being laid horizontally and on top when  in a vertical position that is simialr to the Gamecube ports on the Wii. But, this would be rediculous and therefore a USB adapter would make make better sense. Would this adapter be sold with the console, or seperate by Nintendo or a third party?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 04, 2010, 08:58:21 PM
It doesn't make any sense to begin with Kytim!

The VC makes everything you mention superfluous.

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But, this would be rediculous

This is the only part of your post that makes sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 04, 2010, 09:00:59 PM
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But, this would be rediculous
This is the only part of your post that makes sense.
And even then, he spelled "ridiculous" wrong....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 09:11:17 PM
It doesn't make any sense to begin with Kytim!

The VC makes everything you mention superfluous.

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But, this would be ridiculous

This is the only part of your post that makes sense.

I retract my interest in having the ports of the virtual console built directly into the Wii2 console. However, I stand by my belief that an adapter that includes all the controllers for each console being emulated would be nice. What is the purpose of the virtual console? It is there to deliver a sense of nostalgia. This sense of nostalgia is not complete unless you are able to use the actual controller for the games on virtual console. This adapter would complete the nostalgic factor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 04, 2010, 09:11:30 PM
This thread needs to be renamed "The OFFICIAL Wii bad idea thread *bring your own bad ideas*" or something along those lines...none of this stuff is even a rumor...it's just a bunch of bad ideas. Nintendo isn't going to use HD-DVD (or this holographic crap), and they aren't going to add controller ports for all of these old systems. Why would they add a port (and the necessary internal accommodations for said port) for some 20+ year old controller that no ones owns. That would be retarded. Yes, retarded. Nothing says next-gen like being able to plug in a Commodore 64 keyboard.

Here's my guess - the Wii 2 will be backwards compatible with the Wii, but not the GameCube. It won't have any controller ports at all, it'll all be wireless again. It will have at least 4 USB ports (more likely 6 or 8 though), and there will be USB chargers available for Wii 2 controllers (built-in batteries this time). Virtual console - maybe, but not likely. They hooked everyone with the VC on the Wii, brought back that nostalgic feeling, introduced video games to people that have never played them before, and now they are going to go to the next level, without looking back. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii 2 did *not* play Wii games, or if it did, it will be via software emulation (like Xbox 360 and non-launch PS3s), and will be limited to purchased from Nintendo's new marketplace. Why? Because they already sold 80 billion Wiis, everyone has one already. It will have a built-in hard drive, at least 250GB, but probably more like 500GB or 750GB, since the price difference isn't that great (and 250GB HDDs probably won't be in production anywhere), and the console won't be released until 2012. HDMI will be the standard, and the cable will be included. Controller "pieces" will connect to each other wirelessly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 04, 2010, 09:17:24 PM
Of course there's going to be a Virtual Console. There will always be someone who wants to spend $8 on, say, A Link to the Past (they'd probably spend more if Nintendo charged more). Why wouldn't Nintendo want to make even more money on 20+ year old games?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 04, 2010, 09:25:12 PM
Of course there's going to be a Virtual Console. There will always be someone who wants to spend $8 on, say, A Link to the Past (they'd probably spend more if Nintendo charged more). Why wouldn't Nintendo want to make even more money on 20+ year old games?

The Classic NES Series proved this, in the United States alone Nintendo sold about 550K copies of Classic NES Series: Super Mario Bros. at $30 (and that was just a straight port).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 09:30:34 PM
Of course there's going to be a Virtual Console. There will always be someone who wants to spend $8 on, say, A Link to the Past (they'd probably spend more if Nintendo charged more). Why wouldn't Nintendo want to make even more money on 20+ year old games?

Nintendo might have let the Virtual console slow down purposely to allow the remaining games to be put onto the Wii 2. When the Wii 2 does finally get here, chances are that Dreamcast and Saturn games will be added to the service and Nintendo will relax localization to include games that they have forbidden from being on their console in the past.
 
Saturn games will be added similarly to how Radiant Silvergun was added to XBLA. SEGA will do this to as many titles as they can and then slap a Saturn logo onto the Virtual Console and call it a day.
 
As for the Dreamcast, if the PS3 and 360 can do it, the Wii 2 can do it as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 04, 2010, 10:01:59 PM
The Classic NES Series proved this, in the United States alone Nintendo sold about 550K copies of Classic NES Series: Super Mario Bros. at $30 (and that was just a straight port).
I'm pretty sure that all Classic NES Series games were $20 in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_NES_series#Reception

This doesn't change your point, but the games weren't full priced.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 04, 2010, 10:17:06 PM
Yeah, I recall them being $20, only because my brother bought Bomberman and not Super Mario Bros. WTF, man?

Point remains though I'm sure quite a few of those people bought them as collector's item. Not my brother, mind you... He bought it so he could play a game only fun multiplayer by himself.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 04, 2010, 10:25:12 PM
Brandogg, the HDD specs are very optimistic if you ask me. I'm honestly unsure they'll provide a 1/10th of the amount.

And yes, the VC will always be there. As will backwards compatibility for the Wii. It's a no brainer, seriously. How do you get people to pick up your new console? Offer them several advancements and the ability to play they're old games. It's worked before; it'll work again.

And I'm actually very curious if the WiiD (Wii 2) will allow for upcoverting of Wii games since it will no doubt support HD.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 10:33:06 PM
Brandogg, the HDD specs are very optimistic if you ask me. I'm honestly unsure they'll provide a 1/10th of the amount.

And yes, the VC will always be there. As will backwards compatibility for the Wii. It's a no brainer, seriously. How do you get people to pick up your new console? Offer them several advancements and the ability to play they're old games. It's worked before; it'll work again.

And I'm actually very curious if the WiiD (Wii 2) will allow for upcoverting of Wii games since it will no doubt support HD.

I have said it before, but Nintendo will offer the option of HDD support(ATA? SATA? PATA?) for the Wii 2. However, the consumer will have to provide the hard drive themselves in a similar way to the SD cards being used now.
 
It would be foolish to not included backwards compatibility and this is one reason why I refuse to buy a PS3 until it has proper PS2 emulation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 04, 2010, 10:36:02 PM
I could see Nintendo allowing HDD support through USB, but not out of the box.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 04, 2010, 10:46:07 PM
I could see Nintendo allowing HDD support through USB, but not out of the box.

I am speculating that they will allow every option. Although having an internal HDD does run the problem of piracy, but I have a bunch of laptop hard drives sitting around being used as paper weights and would appreciae being able to use them in my Wii 2.
 
If I had a HDD in my Wii 2, I would probably use it to store Dreamcast and Saturn virtual console titles and leave the other titles on my SD card. What ever space that was still available I would use to store various things such a music videos and DVDs.
 
I find memory storage devices to be fascinating, so I would like being able to use what ever devices that I wanted to use on the console. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 04, 2010, 10:59:37 PM
Just because you can put a hard drive in the system, that doesn't aid piracy in *ANY* fashion. The Wii doesn't support hard drives - yet you can softmod your Wii, install a USB HDD, and run downloaded games, homebrew, or basically anything from it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 04, 2010, 11:22:17 PM
The Classic NES Series proved this, in the United States alone Nintendo sold about 550K copies of Classic NES Series: Super Mario Bros. at $30 (and that was just a straight port).
I'm pretty sure that all Classic NES Series games were $20 in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_NES_series#Reception

This doesn't change your point, but the games weren't full priced.

Huh, I know some stores charged $30. Maybe it's like how the MSRP of the Wii Zapper is $20 but some stores charge $25.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 05, 2010, 12:17:39 AM
Just because you can put a hard drive in the system, that doesn't aid piracy in *ANY* fashion. The Wii doesn't support hard drives - yet you can softmod your Wii, install a USB HDD, and run downloaded games, homebrew, or basically anything from it.

What are some advantages to having HDD support in a console?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 05, 2010, 12:48:01 AM
Have you never seen an Xbox 360 or a PS3? Buy full games online, essentially unlimited DLC, download movies, download demos of games, betas, etc.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 05, 2010, 12:57:19 AM
Have you never seen an Xbox 360 or a PS3? Buy full games online, essentially unlimited DLC, download movies, download demos of games, betas, etc.

I have never had any hands on time with the Ps3 or 360.

What is DLC?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on October 05, 2010, 01:34:15 AM
I think Kytim might be on to something:

(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/128/l_a7c7bcbb2440451cb3d957df13008d59.jpg)
(rough Wii 2 mockup)

Zap, did you make this yourself? What I had in mind involved the Wii 2 being about the same dimensions as the 360 slim.


Actually I found it in Nintendo Power in an unused section called 'Trustworthy Game Reviews'.

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Imagine  console haing the ports for each of thise consoles on top(opposite side of where the HDD is inserted). Would this be too expensive? Judging by all the ports to the 3DS, I am wondering what kindof ports the Wii 2 will have when it releases.

This has to be a joke account.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 05, 2010, 02:05:10 AM
Just because you can put a hard drive in the system, that doesn't aid piracy in *ANY* fashion. The Wii doesn't support hard drives - yet you can softmod your Wii, install a USB HDD, and run downloaded games, homebrew, or basically anything from it.

What are some advantages to having HDD support in a console?

Do you realize that your score is now -31 and that the more you post the more it tends to plummet? Have you ever wondered why that is?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 05, 2010, 02:09:12 AM
This has to be a joke account.

That, or its a spam bot. Except, the difference here is Spam bots usually try to link you to some site.
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Post by: King of Twitch on October 05, 2010, 02:14:29 AM
Maybe someone put together a spambot using leftover artificial intelligence from the rat.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 05, 2010, 07:07:34 AM
DLC = Downloadable Content
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 05, 2010, 09:21:26 AM
HDD's also decrease loading times (usually). For example, I hated playing the PS2 versions of any games because loading times were almost always longer than the XBX version. When going from one island to the other in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, load times in the PS2 version took about 3 seconds compared to about 0.5 seconds for the XBX version.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 05, 2010, 12:20:59 PM
Just because you can put a hard drive in the system, that doesn't aid piracy in *ANY* fashion. The Wii doesn't support hard drives - yet you can softmod your Wii, install a USB HDD, and run downloaded games, homebrew, or basically anything from it.

What are some advantages to having HDD support in a console?

Do you realize that your score is now -31 and that the more you post the more it tends to plummet? Have you ever wondered why that is?

I am going to continue to express my opinions and if any of you, and especieally Chozo Ghost, do not like it, that is tough **** because I am going to do it any way. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 05, 2010, 12:23:11 PM
HDD's also decrease loading times (usually). For example, I hated playing the PS2 versions of any games because loading times were almost always longer than the XBX version. When going from one island to the other in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, load times in the PS2 version took about 3 seconds compared to about 0.5 seconds for the XBX version.

Red Steel 2 could have benefitted tremendously from this ability.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 05, 2010, 12:28:11 PM
But can you and Chozo both stop double posting.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 05, 2010, 01:04:57 PM
Just because you can put a hard drive in the system, that doesn't aid piracy in *ANY* fashion. The Wii doesn't support hard drives - yet you can softmod your Wii, install a USB HDD, and run downloaded games, homebrew, or basically anything from it.

What are some advantages to having HDD support in a console?

Do you realize that your score is now -31 and that the more you post the more it tends to plummet? Have you ever wondered why that is?

I am going to continue to express my opinions and if any of you, and especieally Chozo Ghost, do not like it, that is tough **** because I am going to do it any way. 

I do like it. Your posts add color to the forum, and are often good for a laugh.

But I just wanted to let you know for your sake that much of what you say/ask comes across to others as dumb. I mean, like a whole side of a console being nothing but controller ports for defunct systems. WTF? Most people would feel embarrassed after suggesting something like that. But honestly, I do admire that you don't give a **** what others think.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 05, 2010, 04:27:47 PM
I'm fairly confident that the Wii 2 will use solid state storage instead of a hard drive, making Brandogg's proposed sizes ludicrously high. I'd guess 16 or 32 GB, with the option of expanding it via USB or SD card.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 05, 2010, 04:36:39 PM
I'm fairly confident that the Wii 2 will use solid state storage instead of a hard drive, making Brandogg's proposed sizes ludicrously high. I'd guess 16 or 32 GB, with the option of expanding it via USB or SD card.

That much more reasonable than 750GB HDD from Nintendo of all people.
even a 250GB HDD sounds lolworthy coming from Nintendo regardless of how cheap they are to obtain.
even with a SSD, we should be jumping for joy if they gave us a 64GB drive, that would way more than I would expect from Nintendo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 05, 2010, 04:37:12 PM
Just because you can put a hard drive in the system, that doesn't aid piracy in *ANY* fashion. The Wii doesn't support hard drives - yet you can softmod your Wii, install a USB HDD, and run downloaded games, homebrew, or basically anything from it.

What are some advantages to having HDD support in a console?

Do you realize that your score is now -31 and that the more you post the more it tends to plummet? Have you ever wondered why that is?

I am going to continue to express my opinions and if any of you, and especieally Chozo Ghost, do not like it, that is tough **** because I am going to do it any way. 

I do like it. Your posts add color to the forum, and are often good for a laugh.

But I just wanted to let you know for your sake that much of what you say/ask comes across to others as dumb. I mean, like a whole side of a console being nothing but controller ports for defunct systems. WTF? Most people would feel embarrassed after suggesting something like that. But honestly, I do admire that you don't give a **** what others think.

Afer careful consideration, I have found the idea of an entire side of te console being controller ports is kind of silly rather than dumb. Although I am not giving up on my idea of a USB adapter that connects with every console available on VC.
 

I have something like this in mind, but on one end there would ports for the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, SMS, Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast, Neo Geo, TG-16, etc. I have something similar to this, but it only has ports for four of these consoles and I would prefer to have them all.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 05, 2010, 05:55:17 PM
But can you and Chozo both stop double posting.
Yes, please. The spamming has gotten to the point where I don't even want to click a thread that Kytim89 or Chozo Ghost have posted in.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 05, 2010, 06:08:32 PM
But can you and Chozo both stop double posting.
Yes, please. The spamming has gotten to the point where I don't even want to click a thread that Kytim89 or Chozo Ghost have posted in.

I apologize for all the spamming. Perhaps we should create a new topic involving video game ideas regardless of their weirdness.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Guitar Smasher on October 05, 2010, 10:50:52 PM
I apologize for all the spamming. Perhaps we should create a new topic involving video game ideas regardless of their weirdness.
That's not a bad idea, why don't you start one in General Gaming?  I'd make one for you, but I think it'd be better if you set the tone of the discussion.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 05, 2010, 11:48:54 PM
Afer careful consideration, I have found the idea of an entire side of te console being controller ports is kind of silly rather than dumb. Although I am not giving up on my idea of a USB adapter that connects with every console available on VC.
 

I have something like this in mind, but on one end there would ports for the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, SMS, Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast, Neo Geo, TG-16, etc. I have something similar to this, but it only has ports for four of these consoles and I would prefer to have them all.

Look into creating one yourself. There are accessories that allow for certain controllers to be plugged into other consoles via adapter. Your idea just makes in an All-in-one device. I'm sure there would be a market for it. Start by looking up sites and videos of people who mod controllers and such. There is one site I knew of that converted old S/NES controllers into Wii compatible Bluetooth controllers. Then buy a bunch of old controllers and start experimenting until you create a working model. I don't know if you could patent it, but you could certainly sell off hand made versions online to the niche that would like it.

PS- I agree no more double posting because I was lambasted for it some time ago. If I can't do it you can't either :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 06, 2010, 12:06:48 AM
By the time the Wii 2 comes out I expect Solid State Drives to drop in price.  I think it is much more reasonable to think we can get a 32 Gigs to 64 Gigs. 

Look at the Ipod touches they offer those drives already, and it is a pretty good size drive for being able to stream movies, download VC games that you can re-download again if you need to.  Store save files, and have a designated 1-5Gigs for system use only. 

I love SD cards.  They are smaller.  Hold a lot of memory, and fairly reliable.  I would rather have large SD card support than a HDD. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 06, 2010, 01:22:11 AM
That would be extremely limiting. The 32GB we can use on the Wii seems awesome because of the limitations (no demos, WiiWare size limitations, no patches, no full Wii or GameCube downloads), and when you compare it to the original onboard 512MB flash (256MB usable), that's 128 times the original storage space...but it's still 1/10th what you can get on the PS3 (stock w/320GB), and 1/23 when you consider that you can fit up to a 750GB HDD inside the PS3 (9.5mm height max). You shouldn't ever have to delete and re-download stuff, or back it up to your PC (when it's even possible). You've got to also take into account that while we may pay $40 for a 250GB HDD at retail, Nintendo could order 10 million of them for a fraction of that price.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2010, 01:31:21 AM
I'm not saying 32 GB is ideal; I'm saying that it's the likeliest scenario. It's a prediction, not a wish list.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 06, 2010, 09:21:13 AM
All I am saying is I am ok with shorter demos, and smaller downloadable stuff.  I don't want patches, and downloadable content I want full games from the beginning and smaller simpler downloadable games.  Some of the demo stuff that bloats downloads are useless CGI videos and such.

If you had 32Gigs or Better 64 Gigs Useable space, then you could easily have a limit size around 100 Megs a game.  And you can allow for smaller patches.  And you could even have games with that size restriction easily playable off of SD cards for additional storage.  I like it better than a noisy hard drive that makes the unit bigger, louder, more expensive and more likely to wear out over time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on October 06, 2010, 10:14:51 AM
100MB a game is nowhere near enough if the Wii2 is going to be HD. The XBLA used to have a 50MB file limit on its games very early on, but that soon changed. It bumped upto 150MB, then 250MB, now I think the limit is 2GB? The PSN doesn't have a limit though, I know there's a game available for download (although I foget the name) that's very close to 10GB in size.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 06, 2010, 11:27:20 AM
I really like customizing my consoles and I am a fan of all storage options, so I would not mind being able to use whatever type of memory device that I choose to use. I would most likely go with a little bit of everything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on October 06, 2010, 01:22:09 PM
If Nintendo doesn't want third parties to skip them AGAIN then they should not have easily avoidable limitations.  If you have to say "well that should be good enough" then that means it isn't good enough.  They should be able to match or exceed the competing consoles.  Spak-Spang mentions being cool with shorter demos and smaller downloadable stuff.  No third party is going to make a special Wii 2 exclusive demo.  They'll just not offer the demo period.  That's how it works.  If you have a size restriction for downloadable titles that the other guys don't have then you just don't get those games.  No one shrinks their game down, they just say "**** it" and not bother with your restrictive bullshit.

The Wii 2 needs lots of storage with the ability for the user to increase it.  It's media needs to be big enough and cheap enough that multiplatform ports are easy and cheap to do.  If devs have to jump through any hoops then they'll just not bother.  The Wii is the top selling console and yet every third party treats it like a leper.  No one wants to go through any hassle.  Flexibility is the key.  No hoops, no hassle, no bullshit or it's just going to be the same thing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 06, 2010, 01:44:12 PM
I honestly think that Nintendo doesn't give two shits and a **** about third party studios' needs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2010, 01:46:02 PM
I honestly think that Nintendo doesn't give two shits and a **** about third party studios' needs.

I would have agreed with this before I saw what they've done with the 3DS, but they seem to have changed their tune.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 06, 2010, 01:48:47 PM
I think third party's are flocking to the 3DS because of the 3DS. It has nothing to do with Nintendo seducing them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on October 06, 2010, 03:06:46 PM
I did see some link where Iwata said that part of the design of the 3DS is that they didn't want third parties not supporting it because the hardware wasn't good enough.  If that's the case then they probably do care.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2010, 03:58:00 PM

I posted this in the 3DS thread somewhere, but I didn't feel like looking for it, so I just re-sourced it.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6266844.html (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6266844.html)
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While Nintendo's focus seemed to be squarely on first-party development, the publisher also stressed that the 3DS would launch with ample third-party support. The company has now reiterated its aim to better embrace external publishers, with Nintendo president Satoru Iwata telling Japanese news service Nikkei that he intends to work more closely with developers in order to "expand into elaborate games targeting serious gamers."

The wave of third-party titles announced so far for the new Nintendo handheld seem to back up Iwata's statements, with titles like Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D - The Naked Sample, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Pro Evolution Soccer, Dead or Alive 3D, Resident Evil Revelations, Ninja Gaiden, Pac-Man & Galaga, and Dragon Ball would all be coming to the 3DS, as well as a spate of unnamed titles from developers like Harmonix, Take-Two, Atlus, AQ Interactive, Disney Interactive Studios, Hudson Soft, Majesco, Marvelous Entertainment, and Sega.

In the Nikkei interview, Iwata went on to suggest that the current DS and its software only caters to those who do not play games; something that he hoped to rectify with the 3DS in terms of advances in graphics and gameplay. Recognising this shift in focus from first-party to third-party development, Iwata told Nikkei that Nintendo went to great lengths to incorporate software developers' requests when making the 3DS and called on these developers to make games for the new system.
"These partnerships are good for both Nintendo and the software developers," Iwata said.


Iwata also announced Nintendo's plans to make the successor to the Wii 3D compatible, telling Nikkei that "a full-scale entry into this field will take some time because 3D televisions will not catch on right away."


and another more recent article that supports the first one
http://www.vg247.com/2010/09/29/iwata-nintendo-plans-to-support-third-party-publishers-more-with-3ds/ (http://www.vg247.com/2010/09/29/iwata-nintendo-plans-to-support-third-party-publishers-more-with-3ds/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 06, 2010, 06:02:54 PM
Well in this case, it's nice to be wrong. It gives me more confidence for the WiiD.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2010, 06:59:05 PM
I'm glad to see the 3DS is carrying on the tradition of the original DS, where it is a system designed with developers in mind and incorporating their ideas and suggestions. From what I understand, DS is supposed to stand for "Developer's System" and not "Dual Screen" as is commonly believed. Of course, the DS was very limited by lower graphics and very little RAM when compared to the PSP, and it also sorely lacked the analog stick/nub that is essential to modern 3D gaming. Its good to know that both of those issues will be remedied in the 3DS, which would make the PSP2 even more irrelevant.

But that same design philosophy needs to be adopted for the Wii 2 as well. No one can deny the Wii is a highly successful console, but it got there almost entirely from Nintendo's own support. 3rd parties largely ignored it, mainly for the reasons Ian and others pointed out of the lack of storage and lower specs in comparison to the competition. The Wii 2 would probably be successful with only Nintendo's support backing it, just like the Wii was, but that's not good enough. In order to seize the 3rd party backing more effort needs to be made to create a console that is competitive in terms of storage, graphics, and processing ability.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on October 06, 2010, 07:23:04 PM
I love SD cards.  They are smaller.  Hold a lot of memory, and fairly reliable.  I would rather have large SD card support than a HDD. 
Except SD cards are about 1/20th the speed of an HDD and extremely slower than an SSD. The average SD card transfers data at about 10-15MB/s.  The average HDD at even 5400RPM transfers data closer to 60-80MB/s.  HDDs win every time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 06, 2010, 07:39:31 PM
The best solution is to have support for all devices. Coming with 32GB internal is fine with me if it can also support SD, hard disk, and USB flash drives. I'd personally want a hard drive for its superior durability, but SD cards are much smaller in physical size so I know they are popular too. USB flash drive support isn't so important, as it seems to be getting replaced by SD, but it couldn't hurt.

I don't see this happening, though, for various reasons.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 06, 2010, 09:14:38 PM
Hard drives are in no way more durable than solid state storage. They're much cheaper per GB, and as mentioned are faster than SD, but their moving parts make them much less durable than any kind of solid state media.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 06, 2010, 09:32:50 PM
I've never had a hard drive fail on me, and I have a couple that are 13 years old. Meanwhile, I know several people who have had flash memory devices get corrupted, such as USB flash drives, cameras, and even the Wii. That shows me that hard drives are more durable. Sure, they might not hold up to physical abuse as well, but no one should be handling them anyway.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TheBlackCat on October 06, 2010, 09:37:57 PM
I have had a couple hard drives fail, as has my father and some of my friends, but I have only had 1 flash memory card fail on me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 06, 2010, 09:44:35 PM
They should take better care of their stuff then.

Regardless, I'd rather have a hard drive since I trust them more.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 06, 2010, 09:50:11 PM
MopItUp:  By your logic, You should take better care and your friends should take better care of their SD cards. 

Your argument is mute.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 06, 2010, 09:51:40 PM
If you think about it, hard drives in computers are used a lot more than SD cards and other flash devices. I don't think flash is meant as a primary memory since it can't withstand as many writes and rewrites as hard drives.

Also, I am "Mop it up."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 06, 2010, 10:14:08 PM
I've never had a hard drive fail on me, and I have a couple that are 13 years old.
What is your secret, Master Splinter? The first computer I ever owned had the hard drive fail after literally a year plus 1 day, conveniently after the warranty expired.
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I don't think flash is meant as a primary memory since it can't withstand as many writes and rewrites as hard drives.
It should last well beyond a 5 year console cycle. Battery backup as a method for "saving" games is inherently flawed because the battery dies and you lose all your data, but it was still supported through half of the last decade (weird that I can say that now). That said, there are pros and cons to every piece of technology. If Nintendo supported a large SSD, they'd only need it to function properly for the duration of the present console cycle and maybe a year or two after that console's successor launches, which it should, though ideally, we'd want it to last even longer under normal use, which it also should.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 06, 2010, 10:23:47 PM
I don't know. Have I just been lucky with hard drives? I was actually surprised to find out that people have had issues with their hard drives failing, especially ones made in 2000 and beyond, considering how well my own have held up. I guess my secret is, keep them dust-free? Clean them every once in a while? Don't handle the underside? Don't shake the drive or the computer it's in, and if you have to handle the drive, do so very carefully? The only bad one I've come across is a corrupted one I got from a friend. It was a Maxtor brand which, after checking around the Internet, seems to be a poor-quality brand.

Corrupted flash memory is already an issue with Wii and it hasn't even been five years yet, plus it is likely to be on around for longer than a five-year cycle. The scary thing about systems like the Wii is that, if the flash memory gets corrupted, the system is 100% unusable. I don't like that idea. If the next system has internal memory, it should be able to function after it goes, relying on the expandable memory, or it should otherwise be somehow replaceable.

What systems use batteries in the last decade? The last one I know to use a battery for saving is the Nintendo 64.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 07, 2010, 12:13:00 AM
I've never had a hard drive die on me either, I've received one that was DOA, but that's it. Actually every HDD-equipped iPod I've ever owned has had the HDD die (and the replacement HDD), so I take that back. Little bit different scenario though, since an iPod is constantly being jostled around.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 07, 2010, 12:19:26 AM
Both HDD and SSD can get corrupted. SSDs are generally accepted to be more durable due to the lack moving parts. Like most things with the Wii, Nintendo lacked foresight. In this case, having the Wii function should the internal memory fail. A replaceable drive is such an easy solution, but this is Nintendo and they probably didn't want people f-ing around with removable parts for whatever reason. Still, they likely expected it to last for, at the very least, the console cycle. I've had my Wii for nearly 4 years and I've never had a problem with it besides it frying my Gamecube memory card so I just never used it for GCN game ever again.

And the GBA used battery backup for games though I just looked it up and apparently battery backup was only used in GBA games until 2002, maybe 2003. I couldn't confirm specifics, didn't try very hard to... not important enough to put in the necessary effort. So, I amend my previous statement to battery backup "was still supported through almost half of the last decade." Still, if the original Legend of Zelda was the first game to use battery backup, that method for saving games lasted some 15 years or so despite the fact that data loss is inevitable at some point. I guess the idea is that you'll have long moved on with your life before that happens. The same principle applies to solid state memory. It has a limited lifespan, but most people won't care by the time it eventually ceases to function correctly, assuming it functions as intended and there is no premature corruption.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 07, 2010, 01:26:20 AM
Hard drives are in no way more durable than solid state storage. They're much cheaper per GB, and as mentioned are faster than SD, but their moving parts make them much less durable than any kind of solid state media.

Flash storage has a write limit of a million or so times, or something like that. At that point the media wears out and it can no longer be written to (although it can still be read). That is one of the current limitations of the technology. Now, normally a person would probably never reach that write cycle limit under normal circumstances, but when Flash is used as a hard drive which is constantly being written to and read from this is something that is going to happen sooner or later.

So I'd have to disagree when you say its more durable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TheBlackCat on October 07, 2010, 02:00:09 AM
Modern flash drives use wear-leveling algorithms to greatly reduce this problem.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 07, 2010, 06:05:31 PM
And the GBA used battery backup for games though I just looked it up and apparently battery backup was only used in GBA games until 2002, maybe 2003.
Where did you read this? I was under the impression that no GBA games used a battery (SRAM) to save, and that's the reason that the GBA Pokémon games do not have an internal clock like the GBC games did.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 07, 2010, 07:04:16 PM
To be fair I have never had an HDD fail on me.  But, I have not used many HDDs and I always try to buy higher end computers, with higher quality parts.  Perhaps if you buy discount HDDS you have a higher fail rate potential.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 07, 2010, 07:08:10 PM
I have a 120 GB external HDD(2.5 laptop ATA) that whenever I plug it into a computer it says that a drive for the device can not be found and it does not show up in My Computer. Does anyone know how to fix it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on October 07, 2010, 07:21:26 PM
I have a 120 GB external HDD(2.5 laptop ATA) that whenever I plug it into a computer it says that a drive for the device can not be found and it does not show up in My Computer. Does anyone know how to fix it?
Go to Yahoo Answers or something like that to ask that question.  It's unrelated to the current topic.

Personally, I don't care what Nintendo uses as long as they use something that is 32GB or more and give the option of some type to expand that storage space.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 07, 2010, 08:18:29 PM
Personally, I don't care what Nintendo uses as long as they use something that is 320GB or more and give the option of some type to expand that storage space.

I went ahead and fixed that for you.

But seriously like you said, if you have the option to expand the space yourself then anything is fine... with that being the case Nintendo could have a mere 4gb of built in storage, just so long as we are free to add on a 2 terabyte hdd of our own later on. The built in storage of the console only needs to be enough to hold the OS, pre-loaded channels/software, and whatever other features and patches Nintendo would offer over the lifetime of the product. As for the game data and everything else, that can just go on user added storage. Nintendo could toss in a 16gb usb stick or something like that to get people started.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 07, 2010, 09:07:37 PM
I have a 120 GB external HDD(2.5 laptop ATA) that whenever I plug it into a computer it says that a drive for the device can not be found and it does not show up in My Computer. Does anyone know how to fix it?

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=28060.0
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 07, 2010, 09:28:18 PM
Personally, I don't care what Nintendo uses as long as they use something that is 320GB or more and give the option of some type to expand that storage space.

I went ahead and fixed that for you.

But seriously like you said, if you have the option to expand the space yourself then anything is fine... with that being the case Nintendo could have a mere 4gb of built in storage, just so long as we are free to add on a 2 terabyte hdd of our own later on. The built in storage of the console only needs to be enough to hold the OS, pre-loaded channels/software, and whatever other features and patches Nintendo would offer over the lifetime of the product. As for the game data and everything else, that can just go on user added storage. Nintendo could toss in a 16gb usb stick or something like that to get people started.

Is it even possible to fill up 2 TB of memory? I still likemy idea of the Wii 2 having an internal HDD that can be removed and replaced with a bigger HDD. I imagine Nintendo offering some kind Itunes movie store other than Netflix for movie purchases.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 07, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
Don't confuse memory and disk space. And yes, it's pretty easy to fill that up actually.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on October 07, 2010, 11:10:21 PM
im surprised i was able to fill up my 1 TB hard drive.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 07, 2010, 11:42:04 PM
im surprised i was able to fill up my 1 TB hard drive.

HD movies?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on October 08, 2010, 12:50:20 AM
And the GBA used battery backup for games though I just looked it up and apparently battery backup was only used in GBA games until 2002, maybe 2003.
Where did you read this? I was under the impression that no GBA games used a battery (SRAM) to save, and that's the reason that the GBA Pokémon games do not have an internal clock like the GBC games did.

Bootleg GBA games used batteries.... does that count?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 08, 2010, 12:55:12 AM
I bought a 1TB drive, upgraded to a 15-22Mb/sec cable line, and filled up my drive in like 2 days.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 08, 2010, 12:59:05 AM
I bought a 1TB drive, upgraded to a 15-22Mb/sec cable line, and filled up my drive in like 2 days.

If you do not mind me asking, but what could possibly take up that much space?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2010, 01:04:34 AM
I bought a 1TB drive, upgraded to a 15-22Mb/sec cable line, and filled up my drive in like 2 days.

If you do not mind me asking, but what could possibly take up that much space?

Lots, and I mean LOTS of porn.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on October 08, 2010, 01:51:34 AM
I bought a 1TB drive, upgraded to a 15-22Mb/sec cable line, and filled up my drive in like 2 days.

If you do not mind me asking, but what could possibly take up that much space?

Lots, and I mean LOTS of porn.

At LEAST 3 afternoons worth.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on October 08, 2010, 01:57:48 AM
I didn't think bestiality was that popular.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 08, 2010, 04:00:49 AM
I didn't think bestiality was that popular.

Best post to return to after a long day at work. Made me bust out laughing. My neighbors probably think I'm crazy.

But yeah, 2T can be gone in an instant. My dad got a new computer with over a terabyte of space and by the time he finished adding all of his old home video plus all of his music and photos from several other storage devices he was already complaining about how he was running out of space. At least it is all in one place now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 08, 2010, 05:40:25 AM
I dunno.  I think Microsoft has forced their games to big large sizes by forcing the games to all be HD compatible.  I don't care about that at all.  I think 32GB but preferably 64 GB with any options to upgrade AND play the games off that upgraded medium is fine.  I do think Nintendo will need to allow downloaded content to be larger.  Perhaps 150 Megs would be fine and don't force developers to do HD graphics for everything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 08, 2010, 07:41:28 AM
I bought a 1TB drive, upgraded to a 15-22Mb/sec cable line, and filled up my drive in like 2 days.

If you do not mind me asking, but what could possibly take up that much space?
H.264 movies.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 08, 2010, 01:18:40 PM
Nintendo could have the internal HDD bay built into the Wii 2, even if that drive bay is left empty by default. That way users could drop in an HDD of their choice whenever they wanted. As the manufacturing costs of the console go down over time, Nintendo could later bundle in an HDD by default if they so desired. But at least the option should be there from the beginning, because not everyone wants to mess with external hdds dangling around and taking up space.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 08, 2010, 03:02:43 PM
Nintendo could have the internal HDD bay built into the Wii 2, even if that drive bay is left empty by default. That way users could drop in an HDD of their choice whenever they wanted. As the manufacturing costs of the console go down over time, Nintendo could later bundle in an HDD by default if they so desired. But at least the option should be there from the beginning, because not everyone wants to mess with external hdds dangling around and taking up space.

I have been saying this all along. I would love to be able to drop in any HDD I see fit into my Wii2 and store anything I want and play it on my console. This way Nintendo could not have to bother with manufacutring their own HDD and they help the consumer gain a fairly big storage device and they do not have to hear about storage solutions. Nintendo could also partner with a HDD production compant to bundle their technology with Nintendo's. This way they can make money when the Wii 2 is sold.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 08, 2010, 04:29:27 PM
They would *never* manufacture their own HDDs. That would require an incredible amount of time and money. Microsoft doesn't make the hard drives in the 360, Sony doesn't make the drives in the PS3. There aren't many companies that actually produce hard drives, the only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Western Digital, Seagate, Samsung, Toshiba, Maxtor, Fujitsu, Hitachi and IBM (though I don't think they make them anymore, if they even ever did).

Actually a quick Google search says I pretty much nailed all of them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on October 08, 2010, 04:34:01 PM
I think we're making a huge deal out of nothing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 08, 2010, 05:52:05 PM
My goodness, what are you people doing with your computers that you need 1TB of space? Wait, I probably don't want to know...

Bootleg GBA games used batteries.... does that count?
It might. It depends on if the statement was more general or if it meant actual commercial products. As far as I know, the Nintendo 64 is the last retail system to use battery-backed saving, and even that was for only twelve games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2010, 06:27:49 PM
My goodness, what are you people doing with your computers that you need 1TB of space? Wait, I probably don't want to know...
Lots, and I mean LOTS of porn.

we already answered that question. keep up.
the conversation isn't moving that fast ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 08, 2010, 06:36:02 PM
I'm still hoping it was a joke response.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 08, 2010, 07:42:55 PM
I am going to see if filling up 2 TB is as easy as every says.  ;D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TheBlackCat on October 08, 2010, 08:05:10 PM
My goodness, what are you people doing with your computers that you need 1TB of space? Wait, I probably don't want to know...

A few hundred thousand few kilobyte data files does it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2010, 08:13:47 PM
I am going to see if filling up 2 TB is as easy as every says.  ;D
start from A and work towards Z

I'm betting you don't make it much further than "An" or "As" before you start worrying about space issues. ;) :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 08, 2010, 09:08:12 PM
I am going to see if filling up 2 TB is as easy as every says.  ;D
start from A and work towards Z

I'm betting you don't make it much further than "An" or "As" before you start worrying about space issues. ;) :P:

I am not sure what you are talking about, BnM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
Lessons in reading waaay too deep into a statement

IBM to use Cell in next Nintendo System!!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays)
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IBM is working with gaming machine vendors including Nintendo and Sony, said Jai Menon, CTO of IBM's Systems and Technology Group, during an interview Thursday. "We want to stay in the business, we intend to stay in the business," he said.

"I think you'll see [Cell] integrated into our future Power road map. That's the way to think about it as opposed to a separate line -- it'll just get integrated into the next line of things that we do," Menon said. "But certainly, we're working with all of the game folks to provide our capabilities into those next-generation machines."

"The kinds of things you used to be able to do with the Cell you can do in ... [the] Power line," Menon said

No mention of MS though....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on October 09, 2010, 05:20:34 PM
Lessons in reading waaay too deep into a statement

IBM to use Cell in next Nintendo System!!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays)
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IBM is working with gaming machine vendors including Nintendo and Sony, said Jai Menon, CTO of IBM's Systems and Technology Group, during an interview Thursday. "We want to stay in the business, we intend to stay in the business," he said.

"I think you'll see [Cell] integrated into our future Power road map. That's the way to think about it as opposed to a separate line -- it'll just get integrated into the next line of things that we do," Menon said. "But certainly, we're working with all of the game folks to provide our capabilities into those next-generation machines."

"The kinds of things you used to be able to do with the Cell you can do in ... [the] Power line," Menon said

No mention of MS though....

Hah, it would be great if Nintendo's next console was called the Nintendo "Power". They could literally bring back the old catch-phrase, "Now you're playing with power!"

Sure sure.. the magazine is titled that. But I'd love to see the next console called that, too. :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 09, 2010, 05:32:15 PM
Lessons in reading waaay too deep into a statement

IBM to use Cell in next Nintendo System!!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays)
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IBM is working with gaming machine vendors including Nintendo and Sony, said Jai Menon, CTO of IBM's Systems and Technology Group, during an interview Thursday. "We want to stay in the business, we intend to stay in the business," he said.

"I think you'll see [Cell] integrated into our future Power road map. That's the way to think about it as opposed to a separate line -- it'll just get integrated into the next line of things that we do," Menon said. "But certainly, we're working with all of the game folks to provide our capabilities into those next-generation machines."

"The kinds of things you used to be able to do with the Cell you can do in ... [the] Power line," Menon said

No mention of MS though....

Wouldn't this cause a problem with the backwards compatibility with the Wii/GC? I say that because the Cell processor is quite a bit different technology than the Broadway processor the Wii uses. However, the Cell processor is far more powerful so Nintendo could include software emulation to enable backwards compatibility, which is what the 360 does. The problem with that though is compatibility isn't ever going to be 100% so some games just won't work. Another possibility is Nintendo could bundle in an additional Broadway processor to Wii/GC compatibility, which is what Sony did with their early models of PS3s. But the problem there is it adds to the console's production cost, and everything we know about Nintendo suggests this is a bit unlikely.

But the good news if this is true is it means the next Wii console will be at least on par with the competition, if not even a fair bit more powerful. Using a Cell processor may also make it much easier for the competition to port games over to this system, because that's the same processor the other systems are using. So it should make the porting process simpler, right?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 09, 2010, 06:26:59 PM
AWESOME!!!.  If this means that Nintendo are finally washing their hands of this "blue ocean" nonsense for their next console, that I wouldn't care at all if B/C was left out.  I still have my Wii, millions of others have one (or more) and it doesn't take up much room.

With the recent turn of events from Nintendo, it looks like my wish has a chance of being a reality.  Come on Nintendo, show us something with some real grunt, with a normal controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2010, 06:36:57 PM
Lessons in reading waaay too deep into a statement

IBM to use Cell in next Nintendo System!!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays)
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IBM is working with gaming machine vendors including Nintendo and Sony, said Jai Menon, CTO of IBM's Systems and Technology Group, during an interview Thursday. "We want to stay in the business, we intend to stay in the business," he said.

"I think you'll see [Cell] integrated into our future Power road map. That's the way to think about it as opposed to a separate line -- it'll just get integrated into the next line of things that we do," Menon said. "But certainly, we're working with all of the game folks to provide our capabilities into those next-generation machines."

"The kinds of things you used to be able to do with the Cell you can do in ... [the] Power line," Menon said

No mention of MS though....

Wouldn't this cause a problem with the backwards compatibility with the Wii/GC? I say that because the Cell processor is quite a bit different technology than the Broadway processor the Wii uses.

Well, sinc e the Broadway/Gekko is a PowerPC architecture and the cell tech is being integrated into that PowerPC architecture, I don't think BC will be affected at all as long as the cell integrated Power line is still the Power line. If anything, it would mean that the PS4 will theoretically be capable of emulating a GC & Wii processor as well as being PS3 BC, while the Wii2 will theoretically be able to do things the PS3 is doing while also being Wii/GC BC, possibly even having compatible code with PS3.

This would definitely leave Xbox720 as the odd man out next gen with their difference architecture and Kinect technology.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 09, 2010, 08:23:35 PM
Lessons in reading waaay too deep into a statement

IBM to use Cell in next Nintendo System!!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays)
Quote
IBM is working with gaming machine vendors including Nintendo and Sony, said Jai Menon, CTO of IBM's Systems and Technology Group, during an interview Thursday. "We want to stay in the business, we intend to stay in the business," he said.

"I think you'll see [Cell] integrated into our future Power road map. That's the way to think about it as opposed to a separate line -- it'll just get integrated into the next line of things that we do," Menon said. "But certainly, we're working with all of the game folks to provide our capabilities into those next-generation machines."

"The kinds of things you used to be able to do with the Cell you can do in ... [the] Power line," Menon said

No mention of MS though....

Wouldn't this cause a problem with the backwards compatibility with the Wii/GC? I say that because the Cell processor is quite a bit different technology than the Broadway processor the Wii uses.

Well, sinc e the Broadway/Gekko is a PowerPC architecture and the cell tech is being integrated into that PowerPC architecture, I don't think BC will be affected at all as long as the cell integrated Power line is still the Power line. If anything, it would mean that the PS4 will theoretically be capable of emulating a GC & Wii processor as well as being PS3 BC, while the Wii2 will theoretically be able to do things the PS3 is doing while also being Wii/GC BC, possibly even having compatible code with PS3.

This would definitely leave Xbox720 as the odd man out next gen with their difference architecture and Kinect technology.

 
Basically Microsoft takes Nintendo's place as the on man out, right? Also, there are going to be lots of ports from third parties to the Wii 2 if this chip does happen to appear in Nintendo's next console(Resident Evil 5), which is okay by me as long as they are priced as budget titles.

If Nintendo could get the unreal engine on the Wii 2 then third party support would be a given.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 09, 2010, 08:42:44 PM
My goodness, what are you people doing with your computers that you need 1TB of space? Wait, I probably don't want to know...

A few hundred thousand few kilobyte data files does it.
What kinds of programs are you using that cause you to create a few hundred thousand files? I don't think I have even a few hundred.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TheBlackCat on October 09, 2010, 09:37:07 PM
My goodness, what are you people doing with your computers that you need 1TB of space? Wait, I probably don't want to know...
A few hundred thousand few kilobyte data files does it.
What kinds of programs are you using that cause you to create a few hundred thousand files? I don't think I have even a few hundred.
Computer simulations of neurons.  That are a lot of parameters to play with, which means a lot of results.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 09, 2010, 09:59:19 PM
If Nintendo used the Cell, they could easily emulate the GameCube/Wii, and have 100% compatibility.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 09, 2010, 10:12:41 PM
If Nintendo used the Cell, they could easily emulate the GameCube/Wii, and have 100% compatibility.

What would this mean for other features such as online and Virtual Console?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 09, 2010, 11:02:28 PM
Same thing. In fact, I bet a port of Dolphin (GameCube/Wii emulator, open source) for PS3 won't be *too* far off, especially now that Move has been released.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2010, 11:05:03 PM
Same thing. In fact, I bet a port of Dolphin (GameCube/Wii emulator, open source) for PS3 won't be *too* far off, especially now that Move has been released.

now wouldn't that be interesting. PS3 & Move really would be the WiiHD. or actually the PSThWiiHD :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 09, 2010, 11:18:55 PM
Same thing. In fact, I bet a port of Dolphin (GameCube/Wii emulator, open source) for PS3 won't be *too* far off, especially now that Move has been released.

What I meant was would this chip help improve software emulation on the Wii 2 in the form of Virtual Console? Would help eleviate any stress that the current Wii might be suffering dues to emulation.
 
This also adds credens to my theory that the Wii 2 will put Gamecube BC onto the Virtual Console, but I am not sure about the Wii. The Wii 2 will most likely play Wii game discs, but emulate everything else. However, this does not make sense because if the console can read Wii discs then it should be able to do the same with Gamecube, right?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2010, 11:27:04 PM
If the (hypothetical) Wii2 PowerCell chip can perfectly emulate the Wii/GC 100%, then what do you think it will be able to do for an N64, Sega Genesis, etc etc. if the Wii is powerful enough to emulate those systems now?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 09, 2010, 11:31:59 PM
If the (hypothetical) Wii2 PowerCell chip can perfectly emulate the Wii/GC 100%, then what do you think it will be able to do for an N64, Sega Genesis, etc etc. if the Wii is powerful enough to emulate those systems now?

Could console such as the Dreamcast and modified Saturn games be emulated with this chip?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 09, 2010, 11:46:28 PM
I don't know what you mean by "modified Saturn games," but my 5+ year old PC (it has an Athlon X2 6000+, but it had a 4200+ in it a while back) with a shitty video card can play anything on NullDC (Dreamcast emulator) at full speed. Saturn is a little bit different because it didn't have a GPU, it had 2 CPUs, so it's pretty taxing. When you have the official docs, and people getting paid to code the emulators though, you can have much better results.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 09, 2010, 11:56:30 PM
I don't know what you mean by "modified Saturn games," but my 5+ year old PC (it has an Athlon X2 6000+, but it had a 4200+ in it a while back) with a shitty video card can play anything on NullDC (Dreamcast emulator) at full speed. Saturn is a little bit different because it didn't have a GPU, it had 2 CPUs, so it's pretty taxing. When you have the official docs, and people getting paid to code the emulators though, you can have much better results.

What I meant by "modified Saturn games" is that Radiant Silvergun port to XBLA. I understand the problems with Saturn emulation, but they must have modified that game to run on XBLA. I abologize for not being explicit because it has been a long day for me today.  ;D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2010, 12:32:53 AM
It would probably be more economical to just remake/port old Saturn games to current hardware than to find a way to emulate them. Sega pretty much washed their hands of the Saturn hardware, so documentation about it these days doesn't really exist. Even if it did, it was an incredibly complicated system in its own time, and that was one of the main reasons for its demise.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 10, 2010, 12:50:29 AM
It would probably be more economical to just remake/port old Saturn games to current hardware than to find a way to emulate them. Sega pretty much washed their hands of the Saturn hardware, so documentation about it these days doesn't really exist. Even if it did, it was an incredibly complicated system in its own time, and that was one of the main reasons for its demise.

This is the last time that I mention Saturn emulation for a while, so here is my idea on how it could be done. Let's assume, hypothetically, that the Wii 2 can emulate the Gamecube, but can also read its discs along with those of the Wii. All SEGA woul dhave to do is convert the code of Saturn games into Gamecube in a similar way they did with Ikaruga for the Gamecube. Of course they would not have to spend the money on discs and all they would have to do is slap a Saturn logo onto the VC service.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on October 10, 2010, 01:20:33 AM
this conversation again....

generally on Dreamcast there is a better sequel to every Saturn game. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2010, 01:24:41 AM
It would probably be more economical to just remake/port old Saturn games to current hardware than to find a way to emulate them. Sega pretty much washed their hands of the Saturn hardware, so documentation about it these days doesn't really exist. Even if it did, it was an incredibly complicated system in its own time, and that was one of the main reasons for its demise.

This is the last time that I mention Saturn emulation for a while, so here is my idea on how it could be done. Let's assume, hypothetically, that the Wii 2 can emulate the Gamecube, but can also read its discs along with those of the Wii. All SEGA woul dhave to do is convert the code of Saturn games into Gamecube in a similar way they did with Ikaruga for the Gamecube. Of course they would not have to spend the money on discs and all they would have to do is slap a Saturn logo onto the VC service.

Ugh. If you're going to remake an old game for the Wii2 then remake it for the Wii2. Don't remake it as a GC game. If its going to be remade it might as well take advantage of the superior graphics, motion controls, etc.

generally on Dreamcast there is a better sequel to every Saturn game. 

What he said.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 10, 2010, 09:31:22 AM
It would probably be more economical to just remake/port old Saturn games to current hardware than to find a way to emulate them. Sega pretty much washed their hands of the Saturn hardware, so documentation about it these days doesn't really exist. Even if it did, it was an incredibly complicated system in its own time, and that was one of the main reasons for its demise.

This is the last time that I mention Saturn emulation for a while, so here is my idea on how it could be done. Let's assume, hypothetically, that the Wii 2 can emulate the Gamecube, but can also read its discs along with those of the Wii. All SEGA woul dhave to do is convert the code of Saturn games into Gamecube in a similar way they did with Ikaruga for the Gamecube. Of course they would not have to spend the money on discs and all they would have to do is slap a Saturn logo onto the VC service.
That's called porting...and that was done by Treasure, not SEGA. It would have to be the developer that does something like that, not the hardware manufacturer, they don't have the source code for the game, and it would be illegal.

Anyway, Saturn emulation is more than possible, and like I said, people getting paid to do it that have access to the needed resources could make it happen. There was a leaked Saturn emulator for the PC (GiriGiri it was renamed) that worked quite nicely. There was a leaked DS emulator (before the DS was even released, I believe) too, called EnSata.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 10, 2010, 10:44:56 AM
I just want to be to have easy access to all the rare(no pun intended :P: ) that are the Saturn without having to shell out large amounts of cash. As for the ports to Gamecube, what I meant was that it might be easier for the Wii 2 to emulate the Gamecube version of Ikaruga then the Saturn, right? Just port the games to work in a GC and then emulate the code. But I have said enough about this topic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 10, 2010, 12:25:07 PM
The main problem is that this thread has been completely derailed. The only "rumor" that I've seen here in a long time is the Cell processor stuff.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 10, 2010, 01:02:04 PM
The main problem is that this thread has been completely derailed. The only "rumor" that I've seen here in a long time is the Cell processor stuff.

The way it should be is that a rumor is mentioned on this thread and then everyone is allowed to comment on how that rumor relates to the game industry.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2010, 03:06:29 PM
The main problem is that this thread has been completely derailed. The only "rumor" that I've seen here in a long time is the Cell processor stuff.

The way it should be is that a rumor is mentioned on this thread and then everyone is allowed to comment on how that rumor relates to the game industry.

Alright, well following that rule how does Saturn emulation have anything at all to do with the rumor of a Cell processor?
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Post by: nickmitch on October 10, 2010, 03:19:50 PM
Through Kytim89's obsession with Saturn emulation.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 10, 2010, 05:14:45 PM
for those that were wondering what Nintendo's next system could use for storage next gen;
http://gadgets.softpedia.com/news/Chinese-HD-NVD-Blu-ray-Killer-Wannabe-Format-Launched-1069-01.html

same assembly line as DVD but hold 12GB on a single layer.

or something like this;
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/25/red-blows-away-small-room-of-videophiles-with-4k-red-ray-footage/

I don't know too many details other than extremely impressive compression on what appears to be the same red ray disc as above.
Major processor required though (can anyone say PowerCell?).
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 10, 2010, 11:20:22 PM
for those that were wondering what Nintendo's next system could use for storage next gen;
http://gadgets.softpedia.com/news/Chinese-HD-NVD-Blu-ray-Killer-Wannabe-Format-Launched-1069-01.html (http://gadgets.softpedia.com/news/Chinese-HD-NVD-Blu-ray-Killer-Wannabe-Format-Launched-1069-01.html)

same assembly line as DVD but hold 12GB on a single layer.

or something like this;
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/25/red-blows-away-small-room-of-videophiles-with-4k-red-ray-footage/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/25/red-blows-away-small-room-of-videophiles-with-4k-red-ray-footage/)

I don't know too many details other than extremely impressive compression on what appears to be the same red ray disc as above.
Major processor required though (can anyone say PowerCell?).

How much of a graphical boost would this give the Wii 2 compared to its competitors?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 10, 2010, 11:29:57 PM
it's a storage format that is capable of much greater than current HD compression for video.

the storage format seems to be about 12GB per layer and a helluva lot cheaper than Bluray to manufacture since it only requires a small modification to current DVD assembly lines.

Any graphical boost would come from the GPU/CPU combo combines with bandwidth and RAM, but that's an entirely different conversation.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 10, 2010, 11:42:03 PM
Compression is compression, the format of the disc shouldn't make a difference as to how "good" the compression can be, but it's newer technology (mostly), so it could have "better" compression due to the hardware used to decode it. Like, you wouldn't be able to use the same technique on a Blu Ray disc (which aren't compressed anyway) since there are already a **** ton of Blu Ray players out there that wouldn't be compatible.

Anyway, I'd give this a "maybe" - it's definitely more plausible than HD DVD (which is never, ever, going to happen), but my gut still says Blu Ray for the Wii 2.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 11, 2010, 12:01:46 AM
Compression is compression, the format of the disc shouldn't make a difference as to how "good" the compression can be, but it's newer technology (mostly), so it could have "better" compression due to the hardware used to decode it. Like, you wouldn't be able to use the same technique on a Blu Ray disc (which aren't compressed anyway) since there are already a **** ton of Blu Ray players out there that wouldn't be compatible.

Anyway, I'd give this a "maybe" - it's definitely more plausible than HD DVD (which is never, ever, going to happen), but my gut still says Blu Ray for the Wii 2.

I apologize for flogging a dead horse yet again, but Nintendo will adopt HD-DVD long before Blu Ray because blu ray is a competitors format and in some cases it might be a little too advanced for Nintendo. Nintendo might try to tinker basic DVD to suit their needs for the next system.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 11, 2010, 01:14:14 AM
Xbox 360 uses DVDs, does that mean that Nintendo is using a competitor's format? Like I said before, Sony Corporation (who Nintendo *is not* in competition with) is part of the Blu Ray Association - Sony Computer Entertainment of America (or Europe or Japan - who Nintendo *is* in competition with) is not. Sony was also one of the companies that brought us the DVD and the CD.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 11, 2010, 03:59:54 AM
Well, I think we can all agree that any format Nintendo uses will probably be adequate for the job. Even if they continue using their modified DVD format, that would be enough to get the job done. Is 9gb of storage per disc ideal? Perhaps not, but if spreading a game over multiple discs must be done with some titles then it can be done and it won't be the end of the world.

The thing I'm more concerned about is the price of the games. Is Nintendo going to continue their policy of keeping the MSRP of their games at the traditional $49.99? As it stands they are the only console manufacturer that still does that, with Sony and Microsoft bumping their MSRP up to $59.99. DVDs are cheaper to manufacture than Blu-ray is, so if the cost of switching to Blu-ray means higher costs passed on to consumers then I'd rather they continue to stick with DVD, even if it means the occasional multi-disc title.

And of course, it doesn't have to do with just the media itself either. There's the additional cost of the drives that would have to be installed in the console. One of the reasons (not the only reason mind you, but certainly one of the main reasons) why the PS3 had to cost $600 at launch was because of the inclusion of Blu-ray drives. Sure, the cost of integrating those drives went down over time, but even to this day it has to cost a good chunk more to manufacture a Blu-ray drive than it does to manufacture a DVD drive, especially with the different and more expensive lasers involved.

Everyone so far seems to be arguing about the storage capacities. I just thought I'd put out there that there is also the issue of increased cost, and is that something we are willing to accept for the sake of greater storage? Look, DVDs can have as much storage as you want, its just that you might have to spread it over multiple discs to do it. But with DVDs being only a few cents to produce that's not a problem, right? You can probably produce like 10 DVDs for the cost of just 1 Blu-ray disc.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on October 11, 2010, 04:01:18 AM
I just want to see Blu Ray die as a format to something simple like NVD. Though at this rate it may be too late to get into the game.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 11, 2010, 09:13:11 AM
Even if they continue using their modified DVD format...
Standard DVDs. Only thing different is the filesystem.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 11, 2010, 10:56:55 AM
a modified DVD format would be something like the Red Ray that I posted and I mentioned how it's a lot cheaper than Bluray already.

I checked multiple sources (all that I could find) and the disc held 12(-15)GB per layer and only need small modifications to existing DVD lines unlike Bluray which need completely new manufacturing lines.

From all the sources I saw, the drives were expensive ($1000 back in 2008), but I'm sure there was no mass production as only a handful of drives even existed.

Also the price of games didn't really increase because of the use of Bluray, I'm sure game cost didn't go up $10 because the disc they are printed on cost an extra $0.99 more than a regular DVD, it had more to do with development cost and adjusting to HD assets. The raise in cost was to offset production values and lower the amount of copies needed to be sold to break even. The cost of the disc may have been a small contributing factor, but I doubt it was even close to a main reason.


p.s. I'm still hoping Nintendo finds a way to use their Holo tech in the next system though, and it would be cool to find out that they are already setup to use it for the 3DS aswell (could be another reason for why the price is higher for that as well)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 11, 2010, 02:05:43 PM
The $10 increase is also due to Sony and Microsoft wanting more money from 3rd party sales. The whole "it costs more to make a game in HD" idea is bullshit that Sony and Microsoft (and developers) use to justify their greed.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 11, 2010, 03:22:13 PM
Well, whatever the reason is I hope Nintendo won't succumb to it in the next generation, because $50 games is expensive enough, imho. Plus Nintendo never drops the price of their games anymore, so whatever launch titles the Wii2 gets from Nintendo are likely to have the exact same MSRP near the end of its lifecycle. So its better to have a $49.99 MSRP that never drops than a $59.99 MSRP that never drops, right?

The Wii2 is definitely going to have HD, so that argument that "it costs more to make games in HD" might be something Nintendo would use to justify jacking up their prices to match the competitors. I just hope they don't though...
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 11, 2010, 03:28:14 PM
$60 now is still less money than $50 ten years ago after you adjust for inflation.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 11, 2010, 03:46:24 PM
None of you would survive very well in Australia.  $120 for a new release PS3/360 game.  (if you look in the wrong place).  And given that the Aus dollar is very close to the American dollar.....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 01:21:29 AM
I've always thought it was interesting how the prices for Nintendo home systems have always stayed the same, or sometimes even went lower, yet the price of their handhelds keep rising. Most of their games have been $50 since the NES days, though there have been some cases where they were $60 (like the first couple of years of the Nintendo 64, for example). The systems themselves were $200 at launch until Wii. Meanwhile, the price of handhelds have gone up by at least $20 with each new one ($50 for Basic Set GB, $70 for GBC, $90 for GBA, $150 for DS, +$200-300 for 3DS), the games went up $5 from $30 to $35 from the GBA to DS, and are looking like they will be $40 or higher for 3DS. Why do the cost of handhelds keep rising but not home systems?

If Nintendo wants to keep their policy of never lowering the price, then they had better not exceed $50 with their next home system. If they want to raise to $60 then they should offer a Player's Choice lineup similar to the Greatest/Platinum Hits on Sony and Microsoft's system.

Even if they continue using their modified DVD format...
Standard DVDs. Only thing different is the filesystem.
And the "burst cutting area" mark. Both of those are enough of a difference to avoid paying licencing fees to the DVD forum, so that's enough to count as a modification.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 12, 2010, 03:09:41 AM
I read on Wikipedia that Wii Optical Media also differs from DVD in that it uses an "angular laser", whatever that means. Of course, its Wikipedia so that might have just been some crap someone wrote in that isn't true.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 12, 2010, 11:08:45 AM
Check this out.
 
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.48262 (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.48262)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 12, 2010, 01:56:35 PM
You can look at the replies to the Wikipedia article (which doesn't include any sources) and see that it's bullshit. It's based on hearsay, and all DVDs use an "angular laser" or whatever he's trying to get at.
That BCA stuff doesn't mean anything either - the Wii does not play video DVDs, nor does the GameCube, that's how they get away without licensing, they even said this when the GameCube and Wii were announced, it was done to lower costs.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 12, 2010, 05:01:53 PM
I don't know what page you're referring to, but that "angular laser" business may be a confused way of referring to constant angular velocity, or CAV.  Basically, angular velocity refers to the disc spin speed, whereas linear velocity refers to the speed at which data tracks pass under the read head.  Keeping the spin speed constant makes seeking faster, and puts less wear on the moving parts.  We know Nintendo values low load times and durable hardware, so it's at least suspected that Nintendo's optical discs are read at CAV.  I don't know if it's confirmed.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 06:41:37 PM
the Wii does not play video DVDs, nor does the GameCube, that's how they get away without licensing, they even said this when the GameCube and Wii were announced, it was done to lower costs.
I think they said that's why the Wii doesn't play DVD movies, but not that it's how they avoided licencing costs for their own media. The DVD format isn't limited to video:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvd

It would seem that DVD Video is its own format with a separate licencing fee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video

Here's an article which seems to show a difference between DVD and GameCube discs:

http://debugmo.de/2008/11/anatomy-of-an-optical-medium-authentication/
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Post by: ThePerm on October 12, 2010, 08:08:07 PM
from my memory gamecube was definitely CAV just to confirm this
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 12, 2010, 08:21:12 PM
None of that has anything to do with the physical format of the disc. They are DVDs, which is why you can have a DVD-ROM with modified firmware that can read GameCube and Wii discs.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 08:24:30 PM
So if the DVD-ROM drive must be modified to read Wii discs, doesn't that mean the Wii discs are therefore modified DVDs since they can't be read normally?
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Post by: TheBlackCat on October 12, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
The discs are normal, what is different is the data stored on the discs.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 09:04:00 PM
I see. I guess there aren't any concrete answers out there.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 12, 2010, 10:24:13 PM
Yes there are, I've given you a bunch of them, and so have several other people. Nintendo didn't just invent a new type of disc that was the exact same size as a DVD, held the same amount of data as a DVD. All they did was use a different file system and a different way of physically writing the discs. If these discs were not actual DVDs (DVD means Digital Video Disc/Digital Versatile Disc, FYI), then why would the GameCube and Wii be able to actually read DVD-ROM, DVD Video, and DVD+R/-R discs? The Wii actually *did* have DVD Video playback built into it, it was just tucked away and not used, hackers found out how to enable it natively so you can watch DVD movies on your Wii. The article you linked to on debugmo.de basically says the opposite of what you thought it said. Notice it's called "Anatomy of an Optical Medium Authentication," not "Anatomy of an Optical Medium.' It's about copy protection.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 10:31:21 PM
I'm not saying they're nothing like DVD, but if they use a different file system, a different way of writing, and different copy protection (which I know is what the article says), how is it not a modified DVD? It may be barely different, but it looks like these small modifications were enough to avoid licencing fees.

I know the Wii can read DVD movies, I used to have that program before the 4.3 update. Though apparently Wii systems manufactured after a certain date in 2008 no longer have that ability.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 12, 2010, 10:34:30 PM
But the disc itself, before anything has been written (pressed) to it - it's a DVD. This is my point. Xbox 360 uses FatX for a file system, and under normal circumstances you can't read the contents of an Xbox 360 disc on your PC, but no one says that it uses "modified DVDs."
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
Edit: Nevermind. After checking into this some more, I think I understand it. "DVD" is not a format, and there is no licencing fee to simply use DVD discs. So Nintendo took the DVD and created their own way to format it. Is that about right?

Thanks for your assistance in explaining the matter.
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Post by: Stratos on October 12, 2010, 10:50:00 PM
You say 'Tomato', I say 'Tomato'.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 10:52:41 PM
It's the same thing when you type it.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 12, 2010, 11:14:17 PM
Essentially, yes.

And I think that was Stratos' point.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2010, 11:18:52 PM
If that is the case, what Chozo Ghost said, "modified DVD format," would indeed be correct.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 13, 2010, 12:29:59 AM
non Fat file allocation table...?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 13, 2010, 05:22:41 AM
If that is the case, what Chozo Ghost said, "modified DVD format," would indeed be correct.

Yes, thank you. I said a modified DVD format and then someone responded saying something to the effect of: "no they didn't! its the same DVD format, they just modified it".

Umm, yeah... that was kinda what I said. Geez. Apparently they missed the part where I said "modified".

non Fat file allocation table...?

DVD's use the UDF filesystem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format)

Version 1.02 to be precise.

Apparently Blu-ray also uses UDF, but it uses version 2.50 or 2.60 of it.

I also looked on Wikipedia to see if I could find out what sort of filesystem the "Wii Optical Media" uses, but I couldn't find any info on that at all. For all I know it might also use some variant of UDF. Someone else claimed in a previous post that it uses an alternate filesystem, but they never specified what it was so who knows? I doubt Nintendo created their own filesystem from scratch, so odds are they either used an existing one as is, or took one and modified it for their purposes.
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Post by: Stratos on October 13, 2010, 05:45:27 AM
Pity the Pern Project seems to be no more (Nintendo Reverse Engineering Project). Looks like it was assimilated into Drunken Coders but it lost all of his non-GBA and DS stuff. I referred to his work a lot when I dabbled in programming. Of all the people out there he'd be able to lay this to rest.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on October 15, 2010, 12:04:52 AM
The Wii 2 could eliminate either Sony or Microsoft from the market.
 
http://www.gofanboy.com/home/fanboy-features/3359-the-nintendo-wii-2-could-effectively-eliminate-sony-or-microsoft (http://www.gofanboy.com/home/fanboy-features/3359-the-nintendo-wii-2-could-effectively-eliminate-sony-or-microsoft)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 15, 2010, 12:22:01 AM
The Wii 2 could eliminate either Sony or Microsoft from the market.
 
http://www.gofanboy.com/home/fanboy-features/3359-the-nintendo-wii-2-could-effectively-eliminate-sony-or-microsoft (http://www.gofanboy.com/home/fanboy-features/3359-the-nintendo-wii-2-could-effectively-eliminate-sony-or-microsoft)

Linkbaiting at its finest. It's barely two paragraphs long and makes no real argument.
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Post by: Stratos on October 15, 2010, 04:14:33 AM
Their strongest argument is pointing at Sega. Except Sega was a different type of company. Both Sony and Microsoft have deep financial pockets from their other departments and Microsoft has already shown they are willing to take financial hits with the intent of seeing them pay off in the long run. Sega did not have the financial arms of Windows and TVs and DVD players.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 15, 2010, 06:34:11 AM
Plus Sega shot themselves in the foot with the 32X/Sega CD fiasco. They released so much dead end hardware that never went anywhere that they lost a lot of fans, and people were very leery to buy any hardware from them because they feared Sega would just abandon it and then launch another piece of hardware.

In all honesty, I think Sega did learn their lesson and tried to make amends when they launched the Dreamcast, but the damage was already done and it was too late to regain their reputation.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 18, 2010, 10:41:52 AM
It didn't help Sega that at one time I think they were trying to support 5 or 6 different systems at the same time: Saturn, Genesis, Sega CD, Sega 32x, Game Gear, even Master System in some regions (like Brazil). Some people think Sega made the wrong decision to shift their resources from Genesis to Saturn in 1995 since the Saturn and PlayStation combined only made up like 15% (or around that) of total sales that year and the SNES and Genesis made up most of that years sales.

The Dreamcast did start great, it had one of the most successful launches of any system up to that point. It was just that in 2000 the sales dropped off and never recovered. As it has already been mentioned, Sega didn't have the money to stay afloat with a system that kept losing money. They already had a debt of hundreds of millions of dollars, so going third party was really their only chance to stay in business.

Stratos, I think even Microsoft may have a limit. If the Xbox division started causing the company itself to lose money (while the Xbox division lost a lot of money, Microsoft as a whole was still profitable), they may consider other options. If Sony had had a second straight year of losses due to PS3/PSP, they may have chosen to drop one.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 19, 2010, 02:24:40 AM
Around the same time as Sega developed and launched the Saturn they had plans for another console called Neptune, which never left the prototype stage. Neptune was supposed to be basically a combination of the Genesis, 32X and Sega CD all fused together into one single console. The Neptune would have therefore been a 32bit CD based console just like the Saturn was, but it would have maintained backwards compatibility with the prior Sega hardware at the same time.

I kinda think that if Sega had chosen the Neptune instead of the Saturn they might still be in the hardware business to this day. While the Saturn broke compatibility, the Neptune would have preserved it and at the same time not enrage the consumers who invested in the 32X/Sega CD because with those accessories consumers could basically convert their Genesises into the Neptune via the addons, so that way Sega could have carried on with their existing consumer base without abandoning them as was historically the case.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 19, 2010, 04:11:59 PM
I don't know if Sega really was going to go through with the Neptune, for all intensive purposes that was just what they would call their next system if they didn't call it Dreamcast. I wouldn't picture it as any more than idle talk. Saturn had 3 years, but after 3 years Playstation ate it up. By the end of 1997 when Sony was eating their exclusives they had no profit, it was time to move on to Dreamcast.  Not to mention they never released Sonic X-treme. Considering that game looks amazing I would say they screwed up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpfMxNi5bAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZb7LE6G5Gg

i had a saturn and I was just waiting for it to come out, until then I played Mario 64, which actually did.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 19, 2010, 05:31:51 PM
Reading about the Sega and the whole Saturn/32X fiasco the general vibe I get is that Sega's failure is largely due to xenophobic jealousy and spitefulness.  Sega of Japan were ****-ups.  Sega of America were not and were largely responsible for the Genesis' success.  Sega of Japan was not too thrilled that Sega of America had made them look like tools (true ****-ups often see peer success as exposure of their own failings) and created a rift between the two resulting in the left hand not knowing what the right was doing and thus having TWO Genesis successors at the same time: the Japanese Saturn and the American 32X.  Sonic X-Treme was also developed by the American STI but was in development hell due to interference from Sega of Japan.

Though I think Sega's biggest failure was that neither the Saturn nor the 32X were really designed to push polygons.  Sony and Nintendo realized that 3D games were the future and Sega did not.
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 19, 2010, 06:02:28 PM
Reading about the Sega and the whole Saturn/32X fiasco the general vibe I get is that Sega's failure is largely due to xenophobic jealousy and spitefulness.  Sega of Japan were ****-ups.  Sega of America were not and were largely responsible for the Genesis' success.  Sega of Japan was not too thrilled that Sega of America had made them look like tools (true ****-ups often see peer success as exposure of their own failings) and created a rift between the two resulting in the left hand not knowing what the right was doing and thus having TWO Genesis successors at the same time: the Japanese Saturn and the American 32X.  Sonic X-Treme was also developed by the American STI but was in development hell due to interference from Sega of Japan.

Though I think Sega's biggest failure was that neither the Saturn nor the 32X were really designed to push polygons.  Sony and Nintendo realized that 3D games were the future and Sega did not.

I wonder if every company has this issue?
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Post by: that Baby guy on October 19, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
Yes.  Every company has this issue.  Every single one.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 19, 2010, 07:27:20 PM
I wonder if every company has this issue?

Most Japanese videogame companies that weren't Nintendo have had problems like this, of course not quite as extreme as Sega.  Most of them basically make their American branches an independent company that is allowed to do whatever it wants to appeal to the American market.  Because of this, certain problems always come up from time to time when the American branch will do something without the Japanese permission.  This will then lead to actual arguments between both companies that can sometimes get messy.

Nintendo manages to avoid these problems because they have full control over everything it's American branch does.  The president of NOA needs to get permission from the president of NCL for everything they do, and I mean EVERYTHING.  Unlike other companies, NOA is not allowed to argue with NCL.  Anything the Japanese side says, the American side has to agree.  Yamauchi was the kind of man who wanted to be in full control over everything that happened with his company and how his products were handled in every territory in the world. 
 
He wasn't going to allow any internal drama mess with his plans for global domination.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 19, 2010, 08:20:23 PM
Yamauchi was the kind of man who wanted to be in full control over everything that happened with his company and how his products were handled in every territory in the world. 
 
He wasn't going to allow any internal drama mess with his plans for global domination.

That ended up being both a good thing and a bad thing. It was a good thing because it prevented NoA from launching its own gaming hardware that would have schizomed things like what happened to Sega. However, it was also a bad thing because it prevented NoA from taking measures to appeal more to their American audiences, and that meant Nintendo products were dominated with a Japanese mindset, and the result was many American gamers slamming Nintendo as being Tikuchu, or whatever you call it... So it was good and bad, but since Nintendo is still around today and very profitable I would say the good far outweighed the bad, because Nintendo might well have went the way of Sega were it not for Yamauchi's imperial rule of the company from Japan.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 20, 2010, 10:08:16 AM
and created a rift between the two resulting in the left hand not knowing what the right was doing and thus having TWO Genesis successors at the same time: the Japanese Saturn and the American 32X.

Not at all true. Sega of Japan made the 32X. In fact, they wanted to release it as a brand new system (despite the fact that it was basically just a Genesis with more colors and slightly faster processor), it was Sega of America who convinced them that just release it as a add-on tot he Genesis. 32X still failed, but it was not as big of a disaster as it could have been if SOA president Tom Kalinske hadn't stood up to his Japanese bosses and told them it was a bad idea.

You are correct in that they were indeed making a successor system though, and all because Sega of Japan hadn't bother telling their own regional branches about it. Of coarse Sega of Japan picked their own design rather than someone else's (by that time Kalinske was just worn out and was sick of constantly having to fight with his bosses). Sega of America was basically it's own company. Nintendo of America is little more than a branch office that basically just does advertising and promotion.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 20, 2010, 10:38:42 AM
(despite the fact that it was basically just a Genesis with more colors and slightly faster processor)

It was also 32-bit instead of 16-bit, which was the whole point of it.

Nintendo of America is little more than a branch office that basically just does advertising and promotion.

Don't they also handle the localization and translation of games as well? In any case, I guess we should blame NoA for not bringing titles like Captain Rainbow to these shores. Didn't that game only sell like 6,000 copies in its first week or something pathetic like that? I'm sure it would have done better over here, but at the very least it couldn't have done worse...
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Post by: TJ Spyke on October 20, 2010, 10:45:54 AM
But 32X games were not that much different from Genesis games. It was a souped up Genesis, but Sega of Japan wanted to call it a new system and charge full price for it.

I was exaggerating a bit with what NOA does, but they basically can't do anything with NOJ's approval.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 20, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
The 32X sucked. Play Mortal Kombat 2 on the Genesis, and then play it on the 32X...it's the same thing. 32X version had better sound, almost on par with the SNES version...that's about it.
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Post by: Stratos on October 20, 2010, 05:31:58 PM
The 32X sucked. Play Mortal Kombat 2 on the Genesis, and then play it on the 32X...it's the same thing. 32X version had better sound, almost on par with the SNES version...that's about it.

So 32X was an upgrade that made the Genesis equal to the SNES? /Nintendo fanboy comment ;)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 20, 2010, 06:19:10 PM
The 32X sucked. Play Mortal Kombat 2 on the Genesis, and then play it on the 32X...it's the same thing. 32X version had better sound, almost on par with the SNES version...that's about it.

So 32X was an upgrade that made the Genesis equal to the SNES? /Nintendo fanboy comment ;)

Hey man, the Genesis had Blast Processing, with the kind of speed the SNES just couldn't handle. Genesis did what Nintendidn't.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2010, 06:21:21 PM
Nintendo put their new processors into their cartridges instead of creating add-on systems.

SNES is what Genesisn't!
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 20, 2010, 07:48:36 PM
The 32X sucked. Play Mortal Kombat 2 on the Genesis, and then play it on the 32X...it's the same thing. 32X version had better sound, almost on par with the SNES version...that's about it.

So 32X was an upgrade that made the Genesis equal to the SNES? /Nintendo fanboy comment ;)

Actually, he said it made the Genesis ALMOST equal to the SNES. ;)

But in fairness, the 32X was VERY poorly supported. It had very few games to begin with, and of those many of them probably only scratched the surface of what the 32x was capable of. Mortal Kombat II might have been a very poor example of 32X capabilities... what about Virtua Fighter or something like that?
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 20, 2010, 08:25:07 PM
The Genesis, 32X and SEGA CD all put together reminded me of those old megazords that combined together to form one giant machine.
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Post by: Stratos on October 20, 2010, 09:58:12 PM
I've seen people stack the 32X like 5 or 6 units high. It's LOL worthy.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 20, 2010, 10:07:53 PM
1st of all, your pic is broken (you only see it cause it's in your cache)

2nd of all, at least use the correct picture
(http://i55.tinypic.com/72ri3r.jpg)
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Post by: Kytim89 on October 20, 2010, 10:25:30 PM
The power consumption of this thing must have been enourmous.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2010, 11:10:20 PM
The graphical quality of Doom on the 32X was pretty close to the PC version. The thing was, the game had only 16 of the game's 27 levels, and the ones that were included were scaled back, and it was missing the BFG and the Cyberdemon. So even though the Super NES version has worse graphics, it has more levels and content.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 20, 2010, 11:30:39 PM
Doom64 FTW.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 21, 2010, 01:31:27 AM
I consider Doom 64 to be the real Doom 3.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 21, 2010, 01:38:55 AM
I consider Doom 64 to be the real Doom 3.

Doom64 is 61 Dooms better than Doom 3.
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Post by: Stratos on October 21, 2010, 01:40:16 AM
1st of all, your pic is broken (you only see it cause it's in your cache)

Really? Huh. I'll just delete it since you got a better one.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 06, 2010, 05:05:58 PM
We've seen part of this news before (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg637155#msg637155), but not the part where a large order was placed for the Quad-cores from Marvell

http://www.made2game.com/2010/11/06/rumour-quad-core-in-wii-2/ (http://www.made2game.com/2010/11/06/rumour-quad-core-in-wii-2/)
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The processor powering Nintendo’s 3DS comes from Marvell Technologies group ltd, experts in microprocessor architecture and now the company has advised one of its largest customers has ordered vast quantities of Quad core processors, which are featured in the most capable computer systems

Dr. Sehat Sutardgja CEO of Marvell  Technologies had designated the  increase in sales of their Armada line to a “major customer preparing to launch a new gaming platform.”

Quad core processors due solely to their size and power, cannot be based in mobile systems, therefore, it is far more likely that this will be a home console. Since Microsoft and Sony are unlikely to announce the successors to their existing home consoles, the option lies at either a new competitor entering the fray or could it be Nintendo is planning something huge.

Only time will tell.

I would love to believe it and Quadcore processors aren't that expensive, but I would hope that it is a Quad PPC CPU so that there is some Wii/GC BC available for the Wii2 unless they are going so powerful that they could just emulate it..... which is fine with me too.



fake edit: paging Kytim. paging Kytim. please report to the rumor thread.
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 06, 2010, 07:33:47 PM
Would this quadcore give the Wii 2 360 comparable graphics? How much power would it consume?
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Post by: stevey on November 06, 2010, 08:49:35 PM
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has advised one of its largest customers has ordered vast quantities of Quad core processors

Seeing as Nintendo never as far as I can tell used Marvell, I severely doubt Nintendo's their largest regular.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 10, 2010, 06:36:12 PM
Rumour: House of the Dead: Overkill Sequel on the Way
http://wii.nintendolife.com/news/2010/11/rumour_house_of_the_dead_overkill_sequel_on_the_way (http://wii.nintendolife.com/news/2010/11/rumour_house_of_the_dead_overkill_sequel_on_the_way)
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Sources close to SEGA have revealed to Nintendo Life that a follow-up to SEGA's House of the Dead: Overkill is well under way and should be released sometime early or mid-2011.

Details on the game are still undisclosed, but what we've been told is that a title codenamed "House of the Dead: Overkill 2" is being worked on, which we assume is for Wii and potentially PSMove. SEGA has neither confirmed nor denied these claims, and our inquiry with the company was met with an expected "no comment on rumours and speculation" reply.

The original f-bomb record-holding title landed with fairly positive reviews, with fans asking SEGA for more from the London-based Headstrong Games.

Producer Neil McEwan appeared in an interview on the Nintendo Life Podcast back in Feb '09, saying the team would certainly be interested in doing more with the series if given the green light.

Sign me the **** up on Day 1 mutha fuckas!!!
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 10, 2010, 06:45:04 PM
Did you just sensor one F word but not the other? I like it! I like it a lot!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 10, 2010, 07:48:04 PM
I don't have the filter on, so I wouldn't see it, but no.... no I did not.
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Post by: Adrock on November 11, 2010, 05:51:10 PM
Excellent. I did not know I could toggle the filter off. Thank you, sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Two points for you today.
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Post by: bustin98 on November 11, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
Doom64 FTW.
YES!!
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Post by: ThePerm on November 11, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
Adrock gets a point for using the phrase "Thank you, sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar."
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 12, 2010, 10:52:25 AM
Adrock gets a point for using the phrase "Thank you, sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar."

I need to say that about fourty time.  :cool;
Title: Rumor: NFL Blitz is making a comeback
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 20, 2010, 04:36:47 PM
First NBA Jam and now NFL Blitz!!!
EA you try so hard to make me love, please don't **** it up this time


http://kotaku.com/5695083/ea-sports-rumored-to-revive-nfl-blitz (http://kotaku.com/5695083/ea-sports-rumored-to-revive-nfl-blitz)
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NBA Jam's critical success has led EA Sports to resurrect the beloved NFL Blitz series as well, Jeff Gerstmann reports over on Giant Bomb. Development is rumored to be underway, and the multiplatform game wouldn't release until 2012.

Gerstmann attributes the news to an industry insider and also his previous report that EA Sports, in acquiring the NBA Jam franchise from the remnants of Midway, also picked up "multiple Midway sports franchises," which includes NFL Blitz.

"It sounds like the game is going to be developed at EA's Tiburon studio," Gerstmann writes, "which makes sense both because it's where EA makes its football games and it's also where one of the creators of the Blitz series, Mark Turmell, is currently serving as the Senior Creative Director."

The only other sports game I have loved besides NBA Jam (if you don't count Tecmo Bowl back in the day).
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Post by: Stratos on November 20, 2010, 05:38:19 PM
I loved Blitz on the N64. Got the 2002 version on Gamecube. Still a blast. Might consider this.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 20, 2010, 09:40:06 PM
NFL Blitz is still the best football game ever made. Let's just hope they intend to make this a multiplatform release from the outset so they can include all features in every version.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 22, 2010, 01:25:13 PM
I've never really given NFL Blitz a good go.  I was not into football when it came out so I didn't get it.  Like I got the theoretical appeal but I just was not familiar enough with football rules or strategy to play it well.  I didn't follow the NBA when Jam first came out but I played basketball in school so I got it.  Now that I do follow football and I'm familiar with it I might enjoy NFL Blitz.

But wasn't the problem with that series that the NFL was not cool with the violent chaotic design of the game and thus forced each version to be less and less "extreme" and more like a sim?  From what I hear the Blitz games got worse and worse each year because of restrictions enforced by the NFL.  This is the No Fun League we're talking about here where you get penalties for "excessive celebrations".  In comparison the NBA has always been a little more wild and fun.

The NFL is run by a bunch of square dorks and will probably prohibit the game from being cool because it "tarnishes the image of the league".
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 22, 2010, 02:15:12 PM
The NFL is run by a bunch of square dorks

If that's the case its pretty ironic seeing as how the players are 6'5" 300lb jocks who probably gave those same "square dorks" swirlies in high school. Now the dorks are calling the shots. Its the Revenge of the Dorks.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 22, 2010, 08:42:41 PM
They eventually made a Blitz game without the NFL licence, so if they find it too restrictive to use it, they might make another without it. That game didn't sell very well I don't think, but it could be for a number of reasons.
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Post by: Stratos on November 23, 2010, 09:23:16 PM
I thought the changes were because THQ was trying to broaden the games appeal?
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Post by: Mop it up on November 23, 2010, 09:44:00 PM
THQ? It was Midway who published the games. The whole reason anyone liked Blitz was because of its "no rules" gameplay, so there'd be no point in making it more like a simulation when everyone knows Madden was the best.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 24, 2010, 02:53:49 AM
The NFL really didn't like Blitz; Blitz was actually cited by the NFL as one of the reasons they approached EA with the offer of exclusivity. I'd be surprised if the NFL would let them bring it back without some major changes.
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Post by: MaryJane on November 24, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
Is this just going to be NFL Streets, but with pads on?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 24, 2010, 12:17:08 PM
I hope not, because even though NFL Street was kinda fun, Blitz was the ****.

If you're gonna revive it, do it right, otherwise just leave it alone.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 24, 2010, 12:27:43 PM
I was thinking more "Blitz minus the over-the-top violence," but they amount to pretty much the same thing.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 24, 2010, 10:07:59 PM
I would suggest releasing Blitz without the NFL licence, but it probably wouldn't sell without it. I wonder if they could get away with it if they gave it a more cartoony style?
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 04, 2010, 07:09:10 PM
This probably isn't anyting but IGN being IGN, but there is an article about the Smash Bros series. The only interesting line is this:

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We have plenty to say about Smash Bros., and you'll definitely hear more about the franchise in the months to come.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/113/1138536p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/113/1138536p1.html)

Nothing but hogwash if you ask me. Only possibility is a 3DS handheld version, hopefully a new game and not another port if anything at all.
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Post by: Adrock on December 04, 2010, 08:42:39 PM
I still feel like Smash Bros. has run its course. Brawl wasn't a bad game by any means, but outside of the graphics, it did just about everything worse than Melee. I still love the concept of a mascot fighting game though I would like to see Nintendo do something new. If they decide on making a 4th Smash Bros. title, I hope Masahiro Sakurai does not direct it. Before anyone says Smash Bros. is Sakurai's and no one should dare touch it, please keep in mind that Retro Studios, for example, took 2 franchises that existed far before they were even a company and not only did those IPs justice, but made instant classics and arguably some of the best games in those series.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 04, 2010, 09:06:19 PM
I actually think that Smash Bros has a lot of life in it left.  However, it needs to be given to a new team and a new director.  The game has run its course over Sakurai's control.  I felt Sakurai brought little to no innovation to the series with Brawl.  However, I think someone could look at the basic design of the game which is very solid, and begin from the ground up redesigning characters, combos, and special moves...basically re-imagine it.  I would love the game to add a little more depth. 

I think a second attack button is much needed, and actually a well designed combo system and string system that is more inline with traditional fighters would be great too. 

I say give Smash Bros to Retro (yes seriously) and let them go to town with it.  No other developer would know how to truly make a great experience with Adventure Mode, multiplayer, and online modes...and I think Retro would take care to truly add innovation to the series.  Sakurai made a great foundation for the series...but I think it must be given to someone that still has passion for the franchise or at least a new outlook to create it right.  Retro would have definitely not done the LAME clone characters and such...
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Post by: Dasmos on December 04, 2010, 09:10:44 PM
True, Sakurai didn't really innovate too much with Brawl, although he fixed the broken train wreck that was Melee.
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Post by: Adrock on December 04, 2010, 09:37:46 PM
I actually think that Smash Bros has a lot of life in it left...

...I think a second attack button is much needed, and actually a well designed combo system and string system that is more inline with traditional fighters would be great too.
You basically just suggested they make an entirely different game because what you described isn't anything remotely resembling Smash Bros. anymore.
True, Sakurai didn't really innovate too much with Brawl, although he fixed the broken train wreck that was Melee.
Ehh... Brawl was still broken, just in different ways.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 05, 2010, 02:17:57 AM
Smash Bros Brawl has sold over 9.5 million copies and is guaranteed to eventually cross the 10 million mark by the end of the Wii's lifespan, making it the best selling Smash Bros by a large margin.  The only way the next Smash Bros is made by a different studio and director is if Sakurai decides he doesn't want to make another one.  Of course even then he'd probably still be a producer and still have a lot of control over it's development, since Iwata has made it clear that Smash Bros is Sakurai's series and he gets to decide what happens to it.  Because of this Nintendo's not going get rid of Sakurai and change one of the most popular series that keeps getting more popular each gen just because a certain group on the internet wants them too. 

Actually, if Nintendo was to listen to the haters on the message boards they would be even less likely to do anything radically different considering the number one complaint among the internet message boards is that Brawl was too different from Melee and how they had to hack the game to make it play exactly like Melee.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 05, 2010, 02:38:15 AM
Actually, nothing I said suggested not making it Smash Brothers. 

I think adding a second attack button would allow for more traditional fighting game combos in the context of the Smash Brothers World.  I still want the "Smash Controls" light, Medium, Smash Attacks with the analog stick.  But, I would like to have more variety and control with the abilities.  I still like the idea of having simple special move set up with 4 special moves, though I think with the additional attack button you could exploit the system more.  Special attack button for some standard special moves and both punch and kick together for a few other more unique specials, like character changes or even fighting style changes. 

I loved Melee.  I thought the Adventure mode was awesome, and really enjoyed trekking through the world of each game with fighting their enemies.  I thought Brawl's Adventure mode was an absolute wreck.  I want to see developers create an adventure mode that basically tries to create the experience of each unique game series in a 2D side scroller...capturing the feel of those games...if only slightly.  I think a lot can be done with it...but the designers need to be creative. 



I still want the King of the Ring fighting style, and the increase of damage to launch each other. 
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 05, 2010, 03:04:11 AM
I want to see developers create an adventure mode that basically tries to create the experience of each unique game series in a 2D side scroller...capturing the feel of those games...if only slightly. 

This is a good idea, but not as part of Smash Brothers. In Smash, every character has to feel the same to an extent, but in a game like that the mechanics would have to be varied for each part or else it wouldn't feel right.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 05, 2010, 05:10:25 AM
I want to see developers create an adventure mode that basically tries to create the experience of each unique game series in a 2D side scroller...capturing the feel of those games...if only slightly. 

This is a good idea, but not as part of Smash Brothers. In Smash, every character has to feel the same to an extent, but in a game like that the mechanics would have to be varied for each part or else it wouldn't feel right.

The characters CAN feel the same...but the levels can be different.  But, you can for some levels change how characters work slightly.

For instance.  The Mario level or levels come up.  Each character loses their attack abilities.  They can only jump and double jump.  The enemies react just like in the Mario games.  You jump on them you die.  There are blocks and the only items in the levels are Mario items.  As such you can get big, fire flowers and such.  You can also pick up enemies and toss them.  All this is done with regular Smash Bros. Controls that everyone understands.  But the level just limits you some. 

Zelda can be done like the Zelda 2 dungeons.  You are looking for a Map, solving puzzles, defeating a mid-boss to get a special item that will be used for the boss.  For these levels the special item can be an in-game item that once you have you can't drop.  Then you find the keys and fight the boss.  A nice fun level.

Metroid you can start with only basic attacks in the level, and you find your fighting abilities through powerups in the level.  The levels are more vertical and when you defeat the boss you have to run back to the beginning of the level. 

ect.  You don't actually have to have levels for each character, as some characters won't work for levels...though I would love to see a low grade simple racing mechanic for F-Zero characters...but not really needed.  Then you can have the 4-5 worlds you choose to have levels based on have multiple levels.  3 Zelda levels, 2 Metroid levels 4 Mario Levels, 2 Kirby Levels...and perhaps the characters that don't make great levels could be bonus levels like a single screen Mr. Game and Watch for a level...or playing through original Donkey Kong Stages

I think you could make it a blast.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 05, 2010, 03:48:55 PM
I don't think Smash Bros needs more traditional controls. The controls were a major part of what makes the series feel unique when compared to traditional fighters.

I think the adventure mode should really just build on what Melee's was, but maybe have a setup like Brawl's.

Anyway,  I'm personally hoping for a 2D portable Smash Bros. on 3DS. Hopefully with a good online system.
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Post by: UncleBob on December 05, 2010, 03:57:49 PM
Anyway,  I'm personally hoping for a 2D portable Smash Bros. on 3DS. Hopefully with a good online system.

Super Sprite Bros. Super Sprite Bros. Super Sprite Bros.

Think a mix between Four Sword's Shadow Battle, New Super Mario Bros' Mario vs. Luigi, and the original Mario Bros. Arcade game.  With all kinds of Nintendo spites thrown in.

Please, please, please, Nintendo.

While I'm at it, please take the 4-Player Mario Bros. from the Mario Advance series and give us an on-line version.  Please.
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Post by: Adrock on December 05, 2010, 09:51:11 PM
Of course even then he'd probably still be a producer and still have a lot of control over it's development, since Iwata has made it clear that Smash Bros is Sakurai's series and he gets to decide what happens to it.  Because of this Nintendo's not going get rid of Sakurai and change one of the most popular series that keeps getting more popular each gen just because a certain group on the internet wants them too.
This again... I find it odd when people point out Iwata said this and Miyamoto said that as if it even matters. Nintendo will do whatever they want with their own franchises.
Actually, nothing I said suggested not making it Smash Brothers...

...a second attack button...
Once you start making it more of a traditional fighter, it stops being Smash Bros. The series was always simple to play, but difficult to master. Adding an attack button makes it difficult to play and even more difficult to master. I suggested Nintendo make a new mascot fighting game. Your idea could be it; just don't call it Smash Bros. because it's not Smash Bros. at all...
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 06, 2010, 01:17:06 AM
This again... I find it odd when people point out Iwata said this and Miyamoto said that as if it even matters. Nintendo will do whatever they want with their own franchises.

Yeah and when the franchise is one of their top selling and each installment has sold more then the last, they're not going to completely change the person in charge of it.  With Metroid, the series had never been a huge seller and Super Metroid was actually the worst selling Metroid back when it came out.  So allowing a different studio to make a new installment was not a problem since the it had no where to go but up.  Plus with Donkey Kong Country, the original studio behind it now work for one of Nintendo's competitors so giving it to a different studio was also a no brainer since they kind of needed someone else to make it.  With Smash Bros though the series is still a huge seller and the guy in charge of it still has a very close relationship with the company.

So as long as Sakurai wants to keep making Smash Bros he will continue to make Smash Bros since Nintendo has no reason to stop him.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 06, 2010, 01:30:44 AM
But didn't Nintendo have to beg him to come back and do Brawl? I think he may not want to do another one even if Nintendo would like to have him. There's also the hope that Nintendo has noticed how well things have turned out when they put new teams in charge of old franchises, but considering how stuck in their ways Nintendo tends to be that's probably a long shot.
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 06, 2010, 11:43:56 AM
But didn't Nintendo have to beg him to come back and do Brawl? I think he may not want to do another one even if Nintendo would like to have him. There's also the hope that Nintendo has noticed how well things have turned out when they put new teams in charge of old franchises, but considering how stuck in their ways Nintendo tends to be that's probably a long shot.

Some old franchises did well in the hands of others but I remember Miyamoto not being happy with Namco's Starfox which was complete crap or Sega's F-Zero which was great but under sold.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 06, 2010, 01:31:31 PM
I remember being all excited about Brawl when it came out.  I invited my friends over to play and... I honestly got bored pretty quick.  We played the **** out of Melee and that was the problem.  The general SSB gameplay was no longer new or exciting for us and tweaking it wasn't good enough.  For some people it is, but for me it's really hard for a multiplayer focused series to continue to grab my interest.  So much relies on the gameplay, but the gameplay doesn't really change much.  Mario Kart has the same problem for me.  Driving go-karts and shooting shells at each other just isn't fun to me anymore.  Single player games always have the advantage and they can give me a new world, new story, new characters and new levels.  There's enough trapping and frills to disguise old gameplay.

So on that note to get me interested in SSB again a really good single player would be ideal.
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Post by: Adrock on December 06, 2010, 06:42:06 PM
Yeah and when the franchise is one of their top selling and each installment has sold more then the last, they're not going to completely change the person in charge of it.
Gunpei Yokoi produced Super Mario Land, under direct orders from Hiroshi Yamauchi. It was the first Mario title developed without Shigeru Miyamoto. Whether or not that would happen today is debatable. Point is, it already happened. Clearly, there is precedence for it. So yeah, Nintendo took a top selling franchise and completely changed the person in charge of it. Ultimately, it's Nintendo's franchise to do as they please. While Sakurai will most likely be asked to return, that's certainly not a guarantee.
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With Metroid, the series had never been a huge seller and Super Metroid was actually the worst selling Metroid back when it came out.  So allowing a different studio to make a new installment was not a problem since the it had no where to go but up.
Considering how Yoshio Sakamoto treats the Prime series (it's never once mentioned in the main series... at all), he seems pretty butt hurt that Miyamoto gave the series he worked on since its inception to a bunch of fucking cowboys in Austin, TX. You can maybe give passes to Fusion (i.e. developed concurrently with Prime 1) and Zero Mission (i.e. chronologically before Prime 1), but Other M completely ignores that part of the Metroid mythos for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
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So as long as Sakurai wants to keep making Smash Bros he will continue to make Smash Bros since Nintendo has no reason to stop him.
I'd like to point out that you brought this up originally. I said, "I hope Masahiro Sakurai does not direct it" which doesn't suggest Nintendo give him the boot. If a 4th installment is made, I just don't want him directing it and I don't really care how that happens. I'd rather see the man who created Kirby and Smash Bros. work on something completely original (think of all the franchises we wouldn't have if Miyamoto only made Mario and Zelda games) while someone else bring new ideas to the franchise, something I felt was sorely lacking in Brawl. Iwata or Miyamoto will probably ask Sakurai to helm a new Smash Bros. and good for him, but that's besides the point.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 06, 2010, 08:47:41 PM
I'd rather see the man who created Kirby and Smash Bros. work on something completely original (think of all the franchises we wouldn't have if Miyamoto only made Mario and Zelda games)

He also helped create the Meteos series and was the lead designer of the first game.  Plus he is in charge of the upcoming Kid Icarus Uprising which we can basically consider a new IP as well since the series was dead for over 20 years and this new one won't play anything like the original on the NES did. 

So Sakurai is working on something completely original at the moment.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 06, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
For me, I think there are a lot of ways that they could have built on the formula introduced in the first two Smash Brothers games, and Brawl had none of it. It just changed things for the worse and removed some content, and added a poorly-designed single player mode. I don't see why Smash Brothers needs a single-player mode... I may not have much knowledge of fighters, but I don't think anyone expects a good single player mode in something like Marvel vs Capcom, or would buy the game for it.

Smash Brothers would benefit from keeping its focus on the multiplayer mode, which is the real reason why people like and buy the series anyway. The addition of online pretty much negates the need for some kind of single player component, since people can play it when not playing with their friends and family. That's all I really want to see from the series... just loads of characters, stages, and items, no other modes or filler content necessary. I also wouldn't mind if they made franchise-specific versions of it, since there are a lot of characters and stages in Nintendo franchises that I'd like to see which wouldn't make the cut in a game that combines everything.

It's unlikely, but Smash Brothers would be a good game for Nintendo to start offering DLC. After the game releases, they could periodically offers packs of franchise characters and stages.
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Post by: Adrock on December 06, 2010, 10:22:27 PM
I don't consider Kid Icarus Uprising a new IP by any means because the entire idea behind it wouldn't exist if the original and Of Myths and Monsters didn't exist. That's like trying to say Metroid Prime was a new IP because it didn't play anything like the original on the NES. No. Just no. On both counts. That's just silliness.

And I thought I made it clear that instead of spending 2-2.5 years on a new Smash Bros. I'd rather see Sakurai make something completely original in that time. I think he has more to offer gaming in general than he does a new Smash Bros. game. If Brawl was the best he can do with the series having been given countless resources and no clear deadline (2 things he didn't have with Melee), I'd rather see the series in someone else's (also capable) hands. Give Sakurai a blank canvas, no clear deadline and the resources he needs to create his vision and let's see what else he can do. If I didn't make that clear before, I hope I did now.
For me, I think there are a lot of ways that they could have built on the formula introduced in the first two Smash Brothers games, and Brawl had none of it. It just changed things for the worse and removed some content, and added a poorly-designed single player mode. I don't see why Smash Brothers needs a single-player mode... I may not have much knowledge of fighters, but I don't think anyone expects a good single player mode in something like Marvel vs Capcom, or would buy the game for it.

Smash Brothers would benefit from keeping its focus on the multiplayer mode, which is the real reason why people like and buy the series anyway. The addition of online pretty much negates the need for some kind of single player component, since people can play it when not playing with their friends and family. That's all I really want to see from the series... just loads of characters, stages, and items, no other modes or filler content necessary. I also wouldn't mind if they made franchise-specific versions of it, since there are a lot of characters and stages in Nintendo franchises that I'd like to see which wouldn't make the cut in a game that combines everything.

It's unlikely, but Smash Brothers would be a good game for Nintendo to start offering DLC. After the game releases, they could periodically offers packs of franchise characters and stages.
This. Well, besides the franchise specific versions. I'm not made of money. Cheap gamer is cheap.

I'd also like a robust stage editor to create... wait for it... specific franchise themed levels. None of that generic stage nonsense. And alt costumes. How those 2 things didn't make it into Brawl are beyond me (no, Wario's one alternate does not count).
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Post by: Mop it up on December 06, 2010, 10:34:51 PM
Ah yes, costumes. I think that's a way they could have had a few more characters in name, by making them alternate costumes. Dr. Mario comes to mind, that could have easily been a costume for Mario. This reminds me, I'm also not against "clone" characters, at least, in concept, so long as the game has a lot of characters overall. Melee and Brawl didn't have enough to have so many clones, IMO. Also, they need to make sense. Some characters, like Mario and Luigi for example, naturally have similar abilities, but I'll never figure out how Ganondorf is anything like Captain Falcon.

I have mixed feelings about a stage editor. If it's a basic one like the one in Brawl, I'd rather not have it as it's a waste of effort. There were very few stages possible with it that had good design, and nothing created with it is as good as a professional stage. If they could make one that's more advanced, then it might be worthwhile, though personally, it isn't something I care that much about.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 06, 2010, 10:46:53 PM
I still don't see how adding ONE attack button would complicate the game that much.  In fact, it could make it more simple.  If I know I have one special attack button, One Punch Button, and One Kick Button.  I can mentally understand what attacks I am doing easier, and have a better understanding how to string attacks together.

Yes, it adds depth, and sometimes depth is viewed as complexity...but I think it is a shot in the arm the series needs to make it fresh again.  I agree with Ian, I played Melee to death.  I loved that game...however Brawl felt boring.  It did not help that Subspace Adventure was a complete and Utter disaster...and those enemy designers were the worst characters in any Nintendo franchise. 

I also never played Smash Brothers as a mostly Multiplayer game...I played the Adventure mode to death...and it was fantastic in Melee.  I think Melee had the right idea...and Brawl expanded it...IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.  I do agree that Brawl added too much fluff.  I don't want a level editor I want a great set of designed levels.  But the single player challenges and Adventure mode are a great addition that needs to stay.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 06, 2010, 10:54:32 PM
Smash Brothers doesn't really have punches and kicks though, at least in the traditional sense. It simply has directional attacks. You hold forward and press a button to attack forward, you use up to attack up, and down to attack down. Some of those attacks are punches, some are kicks, some are headbutts, some are tail whips; all unimportant. Simple and easy to grasp. While adding in a button wouldn't suddenly make it complex, it would make it less accessible than it currently is, and that would take away from its appeal. I'm sure all of us would be able to handle it easily, but people who don't play games often would be turned away by it. Smash Brothers needs to keep its pick-up-and-play style, and I feel adding anything to the current control setup would ruin it.
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Post by: Adrock on December 06, 2010, 11:45:09 PM
I don't want a level editor I want a great set of designed levels.
Since when were they mutually exclusive?

Brawl's stage editor was programmed in Fail++. The sets were drab and plain, the options quite limited. When it was decided not to allow players to design a Zelda stage or a Mario Stage, a Kirby stage etc. with series specific pieces, they took away the charm of Smash Bros. It's a celebration of all these different characters.... kicking the crap out of each other in worlds they didn't belong in yet still felt like they did. Fighting on a bunch of brown and gray boxes was BORING. For a stage editor to succeed and be interesting and engaging, it almost has to be a game in and of itself. The developers have to give players to tools to create something that almost looks professional, but above all, it has to be fun.

I'm with Mop it up on nixing the single player filler to focus on multiplayer (more characters, stages, items, options etc.) though I'd still like to see a stage editor assuming it's robust enough to make it worthwhile.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 07, 2010, 05:11:50 AM
I don't want a level editor I want a great set of designed levels.
Since when were they mutually exclusive?

Brawl's stage editor was programmed in Fail++. The sets were drab and plain, the options quite limited. When it was decided not to allow players to design a Zelda stage or a Mario Stage, a Kirby stage etc. with series specific pieces, they took away the charm of Smash Bros. It's a celebration of all these different characters.... kicking the crap out of each other in worlds they didn't belong in yet still felt like they did. Fighting on a bunch of brown and gray boxes was BORING. For a stage editor to succeed and be interesting and engaging, it almost has to be a game in and of itself. The developers have to give players to tools to create something that almost looks professional, but above all, it has to be fun.

I'm with Mop it up on nixing the single player filler to focus on multiplayer (more characters, stages, items, options etc.) though I'd still like to see a stage editor assuming it's robust enough to make it worthwhile.

That is fair.  And actually that is my complaint about Subspace Embassessy.  They took all the Nintendo charm and threw it out the window for crappy bosses and enemies that had little to nothing to do with Nintendo.  It was lame. 

I wanted to run Mario through Hyrule, but I couldn't.  Brawl was a great game...but there are so many areas of obvious failure, that it makes me wish they had better producer to reign in the direction more. 
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Post by: UncleBob on December 07, 2010, 09:39:49 AM
They really just need to make a Captain N game...
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Post by: EasyCure on December 07, 2010, 11:46:25 AM
They really just need to make a Captain N game...

THIS
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Post by: Retro Deckades on December 07, 2010, 12:29:40 PM
They really just need to make a Captain N game...

THIS

As long as they clean up the character design. Otherwise, no thank you.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 07, 2010, 07:28:43 PM
i think DIC has the rights to Captain N
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Post by: UncleBob on December 07, 2010, 08:16:52 PM
i think DIC has the rights to Captain N

Possible, but the Captain N design was based off of Captain Nintendo, created by/for Nintendo Power - so if they can't use Captain N himself, they can use Captain Nintendo. :D
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Post by: Mop it up on December 08, 2010, 01:27:14 AM
They need to make a game with Nester. A real one, not one like that bland Virtual Boy game that made no sense. In fact, Nester would be an awesome character for Super Smash Brothers.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 08, 2010, 09:40:10 AM
i think DIC has the rights to Captain N

Possible, but the Captain N design was based off of Captain Nintendo, created by/for Nintendo Power - so if they can't use Captain N himself, they can use Captain Nintendo. :D

Correct. DiC Entertainment owns the rights to the show. I am not sure about the character of Captain N, but they could just do what you suggested and do Captain Nintendo instead. Please don't make Mother Brain a southerner, make Simon Belmont not be a egotistical scaredy-cat, etc. Oh, and stop referring to game names as locations (there is no place called "Metroid").
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Post by: EasyCure on December 08, 2010, 10:45:36 PM
i think DIC has the rights to Captain N

Possible, but the Captain N design was based off of Captain Nintendo, created by/for Nintendo Power - so if they can't use Captain N himself, they can use Captain Nintendo. :D

Correct. DiC Entertainment owns the rights to the show. I am not sure about the character of Captain N, but they could just do what you suggested and do Captain Nintendo instead. Please don't make Mother Brain a southerner, make Simon Belmont not be a egotistical scaredy-cat, etc. Oh, and stop referring to game names as locations (there is no place called "Metroid").

eh.. I guess that'll do.. If we can get Megaman back in, can he still say "MEGA MEGA"?
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Post by: Stratos on December 09, 2010, 01:25:01 AM
i think DIC has the rights to Captain N

Possible, but the Captain N design was based off of Captain Nintendo, created by/for Nintendo Power - so if they can't use Captain N himself, they can use Captain Nintendo. :D

Correct. DiC Entertainment owns the rights to the show. I am not sure about the character of Captain N, but they could just do what you suggested and do Captain Nintendo instead. Please don't make Mother Brain a southerner, make Simon Belmont not be a egotistical scaredy-cat, etc. Oh, and stop referring to game names as locations (there is no place called "Metroid").

eh.. I guess that'll do.. If we can get Megaman back in, can he still say "MEGA MEGA"?

I swear he's like a Pokemon: MEGA MEGA MAN MAN MEGA MEG MEG MEGAMAN
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Post by: Mop it up on December 09, 2010, 01:38:17 AM
How have I not seen this Captain N cartoon? It sounds so bad, like the Power Glove kind of bad. I'm going to have to look this up.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 09, 2010, 01:56:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI8tF8sbAP0
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 09, 2010, 02:56:53 AM
Speaking of Smash Bros. Sakurai say's Melee was too difficult.

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Masahiro Sakurai, creator of Super Smash Bros. Melee, has claimed that the title was too difficult.

The Gamecube iteration of the Super Smash Bros. series, Super Smash Bros. Melee, has been labelled as too difficult by its own creator. Masahiro Sakurai, in an interview with Famitsu that has been translated by 1UP, claims that the game was not only "hardcore-exclusive" but also "extremely gruelling" to make.

In spite of the game's success, selling over seven million copies, Masahiro Sakurai has stated, "I had created Smash Bros. to be my response to how hardcore-exclusive the fighting game genre had become over the years, but why did I target it so squarely toward people well-versed in videogames, then?" The creator seems to have realised what he believes to have been an error and tried to make the Wii's title Brawl to be more accessible.

The development of the game itself was just as difficult according to Masahiro Sakurai. He worked flat-out on the game out of sheer determination to make it the best he could. If another Super Smash Bros. title was made he promises it will be more accessible than Melee.


"I worked on that game for 13 months straight, after all, without a single Sunday or holiday off that whole time. During parts of it, I was living a really destructive lifestyle -- I'd work for over 40 hours in a row, then go back home to sleep for four...My staff was raring to go, and we plunged in full-tilt from the start. I pushed myself beyond any limit I could think of because I doubted I'd ever have this sheer amount of work in my hands ever again."


http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=14732 (http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=14732)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 09, 2010, 04:16:54 AM
Oh, and stop referring to game names as locations (there is no place called "Metroid").

I think they stopped doing that a couple decades ago...
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 09, 2010, 04:18:29 AM
How have I not seen this Captain N cartoon? It sounds so bad, like the Power Glove kind of bad. I'm going to have to look this up.

If you like the Power Glove, check out the movie "The Wizard". It was the best 2 hours of Nintendo propaganda ever made.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 09, 2010, 02:20:31 PM
So Brawl was... CASUALIZED?!! ;)

I think I get why I like Melee more.  What Nintendo fails to realize is that with games that require skill the player feels more in control.  You win or lose based on YOU.  When a game is made more accessible that control can be taken away.  You can win or lose based on random power-ups and such (Mario Kart Wii being a huge offender in this) or you win with no effort because it's too easy, so you don't really feel like you had an effect on the outcome.

I also like hardcore fighting games.  I don't play in tournaments and I'm not very good at them but I like playing them with people who are at the same skill level.  SSB being the anti-hardcore fighting game is partially why I originally wasn't interested in it.  Melee won we over and that's probably because it betrayed the original anti-hardcore concept in the first place.

What really worked for me with Melee is that it was challenging at times but not overwhelming.  Sometimes a game is hard and it feels like it's screwing you.  Sometimes it feels like a game is hard entirely because of a bunch of unfair bullshit.  But Melee was one of the thoes games where when I failed it felt like I just needed to practice more or come up with a new strategy.  It felt like the challenge was fair and balanced.  I love it when a game works like that.  That's what I want out of a new SSB or, hell, any new Nintendo game.
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Post by: broodwars on December 09, 2010, 02:26:09 PM
Meh, personally I liked Brawl just fine.  The only thing I thought Melee had over it was a better selection of stages.  Smash Bros. is a party fighting game based upon escalating chaos, and IMO anyone who plays it "seriously" (as in the people who only play Final Destination with items turned off) are really ignoring the point of the game.  As for the Power-ups, Smash Bros. isn't like Mario Kart.  The items randomly fall wherever on the stage, rather than "randomly" given to you depending on your position in the race.  Anyone has an equal shot at grabbing any power-up that comes down, though where you're standing on the stage gives you an advantage.  And even once you get the items, you still have to use them correctly.  Even the Final Smashes can be avoided or minimized in some cases.
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Post by: Adrock on December 09, 2010, 05:48:20 PM
One of the reasons Wii Sports worked was because Nintendo didn't throw Mario in there when they just as easily could have. Nintendo would have had a harder time reaching casual gamers if they marketed Wii Sports with the most recognizable face in video games. I consider almost every Nintendo franchise not Wii-branded (Sports, Fit, Music etc.) to be "core" IPs. That said, Smash Bros. is a hardcore series. When you throw in a bunch of gaming characters into one video game, you already relinquish a great deal of accessibility to the general population. Casual gamers are already turned off because, in their minds, these are characters they've already avoided because video games just aren't their thing. Fair enough. In that sense, I completely disagree with Sakurai's view of Melee.

However, I do believe part of what makes Smash Bros. great is its accessibility. It's far more accessible to core gamers who aren't versed in fighting games. I flat-out suck at traditional fighting games. I like them, but I just can't get the hang of them. I love Smash Bros. though and I can find a certain level of success playing it. I don't actually consider Brawl to be more accessible or easier than Melee, just slower which makes it a different playing game rather than one casuals may necessarily enjoy more. Additionally, some of that accessibility, playability and fun is lost when the gameplay is so unbalanced. You can't just pick any character and have a fair or close to fair chance of succeeding which not only makes the game less fun, but makes the game worse overall.

Understanding your audience is key. Nintendo will probably never get the vast majority of casual gamers to ever care about Mario, Samus, or Link. They don't have to either. Continue making games casual gamers and core gamers alike can enjoy like Wii Sports, but stop trying so hard to convince casual gamers to like hardcore games. They won't and those core games suffer because the development lacked focus.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 09, 2010, 06:04:18 PM
It's certainly disappointing to hear the creator say something like that. I felt that Melee and the Nintendo 64 game had a near-perfect balance of skill and randomness, so that the game was easy to pick-up-and-play, and there was still a chance anyone could win, but it was also possible and rewarding to learn techniques and develop skill. Brawl has the wrong idea of accessibility by adding in way too many random elements, most notably the random tripping, and its items and stage hazards are way too powerful. It's kind of funny, but no one I know likes Brawl because there's way too much stuff happening and it's way too random, but then I show them Melee and most can pick it up pretty easily. So I'd argue that Brawl actually became less accessible due to trying too hard to be wild and crazy.

I'm not saying Melee was a near-perfect game itself, it has numerous flaws that I wouldn't ignore in a critique, but Brawl fixed none of them and added in even more problems.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 13, 2010, 11:04:09 AM
Brawl and Melee were both great. As for Melee being hardcore, I disagree. The only part that I thought was too hard were a couple of the Events (defeating Giga Bowser, Mewtwo, and Ganondorf was insanely hard).
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Post by: ThePerm on December 13, 2010, 02:53:49 PM
so uh...next soul calibur will be announced with the next system :P?
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Post by: Adrock on December 13, 2010, 06:10:22 PM
(defeating Giga Bowser, Mewtwo, and Ganondorf was insanely hard)
Good Lord, that event was one never-ending facepalm. I remember beating that the first time spamming Roy's charge B move. I was lucky if Giga Bowser slipped off then got caught under the "lip" of Final Destination and couldn't jump back onto the stage. The hours wasted on "The Showdown" have resulted in the first and only time a video game made me curl up into the fetal position and weep like a 4 year old girl....
so uh...next soul calibur will be announced with the next system :P: ?
Considering the miracles Nintendo pulled off with 3DS, I'd expect Soulcalibur returning to Nintendo hardware at some point in the future and nothing like the abortion that Legends was. I mean, Namco made Broken Destiny specifically for PSP so I don't think, at the very least, a 3DS version based on the inevitable Soulcalibur V is terribly farfetch'd (http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/farfetchd.gif).....
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Post by: Mop it up on December 13, 2010, 07:08:02 PM
(defeating Giga Bowser, Mewtwo, and Ganondorf was insanely hard).
At least Giga Bowser had the weight of normal Bowser (or maybe lighter) instead of his regular Adventure Mode weight, meaning he isn't a stone brick until you get him above 300%.

Did anyone beat this event without losing a life?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2010, 07:53:12 PM
Since you guys have smashbrothers on the brain right now, some made a "de-make" of the game.
Looks pretty good too.


Super Smash Land (GB)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmHjdUere4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmHjdUere4)
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Post by: Caliban on December 13, 2010, 11:01:42 PM
I would be up for some of that Super Smash Land any time.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 14, 2010, 01:46:53 AM
Now, you just upgrade that to SNES graphics, add som 3D and BAM! You've got yourself a hit.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 14, 2010, 04:50:42 AM
I have to say, I don't think Brawl and Melee are that different when you get into the multiplayer aspects of the game.  I like both equally the same.  However, I don't think either Brawl or Melee were very casual friendly, because the game was fast, and too much happened.  There was so much little things that you had to keep up with...and in the end.  I never played with friends for very long...because they got bored or frustrated with the experience.  We would pull it out for like 30 minutes and move on. 

I think the speed of the games both brawl and Melee became too fast.  It wasn't how complicated the games were or the added features, but the speed in which everything happened and can change.  I really liked the speed of the first game better.  Also, I think scrolling levels, and too many larger interactive levels complicated things too much. 

That all said.  I never said Brawl or Melee failed in multiplayer...I think it just isn't for everyone.  They are both fantastic multiplayer games.  What Brawl did worse than Melee was provide engaging and enjoyable single player experiences.  Melee was literally filled to the brim with everything imaginable that you could want from a single game experience.  Could it be improved upon sure...but the total package was there.  The same is not true with Brawl.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 14, 2010, 10:50:26 AM
Brawl and Melee were both great. As for Melee being hardcore, I disagree. The only part that I thought was too hard were a couple of the Events (defeating Giga Bowser, Mewtwo, and Ganondorf was insanely hard).

Actually that events not too bad if you used Jigglypuff.  Since Giga Bowser was so huge and Ganondorf and Mewtwo were always right next to him, it's pretty easy to have her Rest attack connect with all of them which at once.

Usually by the time your at your last life, Giga Bowser is gone since his huge size made him the easiest target for Rest, and after he's gone, Mewtwo and Gannondorf have taken a lot of damage making them pretty easy to KO with a well timed Rollout attack.
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Post by: Arbok on December 14, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
Did anyone beat this event without losing a life?

Yep, with Jigglypuff.

Anyway, Brawl has some much harder challenges than Melee did... I gave up the idea of getting all of the trophies in Brawl as some are just so hard.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 14, 2010, 07:45:10 PM
Anyway, Brawl has some much harder challenges than Melee did... I gave up the idea of getting all of the trophies in Brawl as some are just so hard.

Yeah the beat Boss Battle on Intense is basically impossible to do.  The bosses are just insane in that mode and can basically KO any character in just a few hits.  And if your lucky enough to actually make it to Tabuu, unless your using Pokemon Trainer or Zelda since their transformations can bypass his red rings of death, your screwed since you have to basically be a Jedi Knight to dodge all 3 rings fast enough on that mode, with any hit resulting in an instant KO.  Of course it doesn't really matter since on Intense, Taboo is moving so fast your usually dead before he brings out the rings anyway.

So yeah, that's the trophy that guarantees I'll never 100% Brawl either.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 15, 2010, 08:49:49 PM
I think the speed of the games both brawl and Melee became too fast.  It wasn't how complicated the games were or the added features, but the speed in which everything happened and can change.  I really liked the speed of the first game better.  Also, I think scrolling levels, and too many larger interactive levels complicated things too much.
I definitely agree with this. The first game had the perfect pacing, and it was a mistake to increase the speed.

Anyway, Brawl has some much harder challenges than Melee did...
It depends on your definition of challenge. I thought that all of the single player modes in Brawl were easier than in Melee. The things that are difficult in Brawl are based on luck rather than skill, such as beating the Boss Battles on the hardest difficulty, and getting the boss trophies, since you have to hope a trophy item appears when a boss is down to one hit. Those were the only two tasks I didn't bother with in Brawl, whereas I did everything in Melee except play one million vs. mode matches. Melee's challenges are a test of skill and Brawl's are a test of patience.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 16, 2010, 12:00:07 AM
I really want to play Melee with the speed of the original game.  I think it would really help the games advancements to feel better.  I love the added throws, shield techniques and such in Melee, but that speed was crazy.  I really want a 3rd Smash Bros game to see what could happen to the series...and I really want a new creative team to work on it. 
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2010, 11:50:05 AM
I really want a 3rd Smash Bros game to see what could happen to the series...and I really want a new creative team to work on it. 

Did you forget about Super Smash Bros. Brawl? That was the third game. And it did have a new team (the same person in charge was the same and some of the key people, but the actual team was different)
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 17, 2010, 07:11:58 AM
Oops you are right...I meant 4.  Yes a new team, but same director.  Which means doesn't mean much. 
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 21, 2010, 07:45:02 PM
(defeating Giga Bowser, Mewtwo, and Ganondorf was insanely hard).
At least Giga Bowser had the weight of normal Bowser (or maybe lighter) instead of his regular Adventure Mode weight, meaning he isn't a stone brick until you get him above 300%.

Did anyone beat this event without losing a life?

I did, with over half the roster, some on video capture, not even including Jigglypuff, and treating Zelda and Sheek separately.

Don't tell me Caterkiller is the only decent player left around here.
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 22, 2010, 02:39:31 AM
Wow! Praise from Caesar!
 
I posted this in the Zelda thread but I think it should go here.
 
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“Look, everything I create has a little bit of me in it, and there are some common factors. Mario will never end up in an overly violent game, yet all these years he gets through games by punching and kicking”.

And with that Miyamoto picks up his controllers again and starts punching and kicking. And grinning.

I wonder if Miyamoto started doing martial arts for exercise... We'll have a new Karate fighter adventure with some rad violence coming our way for sure!
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37425/interview-shigeru-miyamoto-nintendo-zelda (http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37425/interview-shigeru-miyamoto-nintendo-zelda)

 
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 24, 2010, 03:45:41 PM
We'll here's something interesting.  Nintendo registers Amaterasu trademark.

http://www.nintendoeverything.com/57813/ (http://www.nintendoeverything.com/57813/)


Zelda vs Okami?

Amaterasu confirmed for next Smash Bros?

Amaterasu in the next Nintendogs?

Amaterasu is the newest Pokemon?

Amaterasu in next Star Fox?
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Post by: Adrock on December 24, 2010, 04:29:11 PM
If Nintendo filed the trademark, it probably has nothing to do with Capcom's Okami. It's probably for a new IP as it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else. Odd that Nintendo would even be granted that trademark. That's kind of like trademarking the name "Jesus."
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 24, 2010, 04:52:45 PM
That's kind of like trademarking the name "Jesus."

Actually, several exists (something can be trademarked more than once since it goes by category). In the US, someone named Frederick Scharping II trademarked "Jesus" for use on t-shirts.
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Post by: Adrock on December 24, 2010, 06:02:52 PM
Of course, one can trademark something like that because Nintendo just did. It still seems like a gray area. Nintendo trademarking "Amaterasu" is like someone trademarking "Jesus" as opposed to "Jesus Christ" or even "Jesus the Christ." Nintendo probably wouldn't have been granted a trademark for "Amaterasu Omikami," but locking "Amaterasu" is the next best thing. Even if Nintendo tried to deny it, the religious connotations are invariably there.
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Post by: Stratos on December 26, 2010, 06:52:52 AM
You can trademark a dead person?
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Post by: Louieturkey on January 02, 2011, 04:06:42 PM
Can we not get into religion here?
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 02, 2011, 04:54:59 PM
I don't think that discussing the logistics of copyrighting the name of a historical figure counts as "getting into religion."
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 02, 2011, 09:56:10 PM
Also, Jesus is just a translation of the historical figure's name (I assume that's who we're talking to...Yehoshua), which makes it even more generic.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 02, 2011, 10:11:23 PM
also, unless we are all practicers of Shinto, which pretty much unless you speak Japanese then you are not, then the idea that this is religious discussion is faulty. This would be more of a mythological discussion as disparagingly as that sounds to the nonexistantv shinto members of the board. We could talk about Zeus, Hera, Venus, Juno, Jupiter, or Aphrodite and there would be no confusion. 
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Post by: Louieturkey on January 06, 2011, 06:37:24 PM
Talking about the name Jesus in general is not a religious discussion.  Doing what Stratos did and referring to Jesus of Nazareth (unless there is another famous Jesus) as dead goes directly at the religion that is based around him.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 06, 2011, 09:12:38 PM
What about Jesus from the Big Lebowski? Can we trademark that? What about Bob?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 07, 2011, 11:56:54 PM
I don't see how that's getting religious. He was in fact a living person, and he died...that's not religion, it's fact. Discussing anything that may or may not have happened afterward would be getting into religious discussion.

Also it's "The Jesus" from The Big Lebowski.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 08, 2011, 12:35:45 AM
Apparently the Wii is so successful that it has its own book:
 
http://www.infendo.com/new-book-about-nintendo-calls-wii-greatest-comeback-in-video-games/ (http://www.infendo.com/new-book-about-nintendo-calls-wii-greatest-comeback-in-video-games/)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 08, 2011, 02:18:58 AM
He was in fact a living person

Actually, there's no proof of that.
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Post by: Stratos on January 08, 2011, 06:44:14 AM
Talking about the name Jesus in general is not a religious discussion.  Doing what Stratos did and referring to Jesus of Nazareth (unless there is another famous Jesus) as dead goes directly at the religion that is based around him.

Oh, wow, I didn't even realize the way I phrased it was a jab at the religion. LOL. Or were you meaning to refer to Brandogg? (Or both of us perhaps?)

He was in fact a living person

Actually, there's no proof of that.

I'm sure there were plenty of them at the time. Considering someone was prophesied in their ancient texts to come and save them by that name I'll bet every woman wanted to name their child that in hopes their son was 'The One'.

--Oh, wait, this is the rumor thread. We were so derailed I forgot. I'll help get us back on track!

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HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS ANNOUNCE SUPPORT FOR ULTRAVIOLET™ FORMAT [/color]AND[/b][/color] ENDORSE CONSUMERS’ RIGHT TO INTEROPERABILITY [/b]
[/color] [/b]
[/color]Lionsgate Entertainment, Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures Entertainment,
 Twentieth Century Fox, Universal Pictures and Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. to Offer UltraViolet Content in 2011
[/color] LAS VEGAS, January 6, 2011 – Six of Hollywood’s largest studios including Lionsgate Entertainment, Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Twentieth Century Fox, Universal Pictures and Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. today announced their support for the UltraViolet service and format created by the Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem (DECE).  Complementing the physical DVD and Blu-ray home entertainment markets, studios will begin offering UltraViolet content this year through digital online retailers and digital rights that come with packaged media, giving consumers the ability to watch digital entertainment across multiple platforms such as connected TVs, PCs, game consoles and smartphones.  Through UltraViolet, consumers now have greater choice and freedom to purchase, manage and watch digital movies, TV shows and other entertainment. The UltraViolet experience is powered by a cloud-based UltraViolet Account, which includes a Digital Rights Locker and account management functionality. Consumers can create an UltraViolet account, free of charge, via one of the many participating UltraViolet service providers or through the UltraViolet website. Once created, this account will allow consumers to easily access and manage all of their UltraViolet entertainment, regardless of where it was purchased.  
  Consumers will also be able to register up to 12 devices so UltraViolet content can be easily downloaded or shared between them.  In addition, UltraViolet streaming access will enable consumers to enjoy their collections via set-top boxes and the Internet including computers, Internet-connected home video devices such as Blu-ray players and Internet TVs, and mobile apps for smartphones and tablets.  The UltraViolet Account will also enable retailers to provide consumers with a copy to use on DVD players or other physical media such as portable flash memory.     "These six major Hollywood studios were a driving force in creating UltraViolet, and their plans to make films and television shows available through the UltraViolet ecosystem cements a milestone union among the content, technology and retail services industries,"  said Mark Teitell, General Manager of the Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem (DECE).  "In 2011, UltraViolet will substantially raise the bar on the electronic home entertainment experiences in-market today." UltraViolet titles will be announced by individual studios as they become available and will feature the distinct UltraViolet logo, making it easy for consumers to identify entertainment products and services designed to work together seamlessly.

So I gotta wonder what devices will be included. 360 and PS3 are a given. Maybe Wii 2 and 3DS? (Bolding my own doing)
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Post by: ThePerm on January 08, 2011, 02:41:01 PM
man post a link
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Post by: Stratos on January 08, 2011, 05:39:41 PM
Its an email I got, not a link. I'm working on an article about the matter and how it could impact gaming.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 08, 2011, 08:40:03 PM
Does this have anything to do with those new DRM'd Intel chips?
I know Hollywood and Digital Rights were a big part of that happening. Is this the reason why?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 09, 2011, 12:11:38 PM
Take it for what it's worth, but apparently at CES a Wii/DS accesory maker was overheard talking about a new Pokemon game for Wii that is supposed to be like a combination of Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness and Pokemon Battle Revolution. http://www.gamingupdate.com/news/635/New-Wii-Pokemon-Game-in-the-Works
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2011, 03:09:06 PM
Take it for what it's worth, but apparently at CES a Wii/DS accesory maker was overheard talking about a new Pokemon game for Wii that is supposed to be like a combination of Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness and Pokemon Battle Revolution. http://www.gamingupdate.com/news/635/New-Wii-Pokemon-Game-in-the-Works

Now this thread is getting back on track. Could Nintendo really be moving towards that real console Pokemon MMO/RPG that people have been asking for for ages now?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 09, 2011, 03:14:59 PM
I hope so, I bet a console version of the mainline Pokemon games would be a huge seller. I think it's safe to say that they won't do a MMORPG on Wii, but I hope they will do so for Wii 2 (or whatever the next system is called). They could even just have it be like the current game basically, where you go around trying to win badges while capturing wild Pokemon and battling other human trainers. They could even have it where veteran players could be promoted to gym leaders and then elite 4.

As for this specific game, I hope that is true. PBR was OK, but it was very bare bones and it was practically useless if you didn't also have Diamond/Pearl/Platinum.
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Post by: Caterkiller on January 09, 2011, 06:05:34 PM
Yahoo I totally buy in to this rumor! It would be such a Nintendo thing to do to leave the Wii with a Pokemon game like this. For one it will have a story line, and be just like gale of darkness, hopefully faster and better animated, and 2 it will have the Colosseum mode where hard core people learn all the zany tricks. This is not what every one wants so that's why this seems so spot on to me. Along with Black and White being this generations last bit of pokemon I can see this as the pokemon console swan song.

I honestly don't want a MMO RPG, just a very nice user friendly way to see people playing pokemon and attempt to join them in battles.

Does anyone remember the first japanese trailer of Battle Revolution? The graphics looked so nice and all the environmental affects were pretty cool. Game comes out and many of the pokemon look worse than N64, WHY IS THAT?!?!!?!?!?! Along with the majority of attacking animations and general animations looking so lame it was a major disappointment. I remember reading how the developers wanted to make the battles look as interesting as possible. The camera moves, they kind of make contact now, but still if they just didn't sit there like that it would be great. I know there are near 600 now, but if each one could have like 3 animated routines each instead of one that would be a nice step in the right direction.  Not only that the battle sequences are waaaay too slow, speed up a pokemon using his attack and move on, thats what makes 3D battles somehow even more boring to watch then the 2D gameboy battles.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on January 09, 2011, 07:26:59 PM
Take it for what it's worth, but apparently at CES a Wii/DS accesory maker was overheard talking about a new Pokemon game for Wii that is supposed to be like a combination of Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness and Pokemon Battle Revolution. http://www.gamingupdate.com/news/635/New-Wii-Pokemon-Game-in-the-Works (http://www.gamingupdate.com/news/635/New-Wii-Pokemon-Game-in-the-Works)

Now this thread is getting back on track. Could Nintendo really be moving towards that real console Pokemon MMO/RPG that people have been asking for for ages now?

Ahahaha no. An MMO on the Wii is bad enough, but the developers have admitted that they prefer local meetups (http://www.whattheyplay.com/features/meeting-the-creators-of-pokemon-platinum/) for their communication.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 09, 2011, 08:57:30 PM
I'd be all for a Pokémon RPG on the Wii if it were self-contained, but I'm sure you'll have to connect to Black and White to get the most out of it, and there will probably be two or three versions of it as well. It just isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 10, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
Take it for what it's worth, but apparently at CES a Wii/DS accesory maker was overheard talking about a new Pokemon game for Wii that is supposed to be like a combination of Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness and Pokemon Battle Revolution. http://www.gamingupdate.com/news/635/New-Wii-Pokemon-Game-in-the-Works (http://www.gamingupdate.com/news/635/New-Wii-Pokemon-Game-in-the-Works)

Now this thread is getting back on track. Could Nintendo really be moving towards that real console Pokemon MMO/RPG that people have been asking for for ages now?

Ahahaha no. An MMO on the Wii is bad enough, but the developers have admitted that they prefer local meetups (http://www.whattheyplay.com/features/meeting-the-creators-of-pokemon-platinum/) for their communication.

I didn't say or imply that the Wii game will be an MMO, I"m simply saying that Nintendo is making more of an actual Pokemon RPG on the console and not just a battle arena hub(as I understand the console games to be), which would be more of a step towards getting that REAL Pokemon RPG/MMO in the future. Nintendo is taking baby steps with Pokemon everything, so it's good to see them moving forward especially with Pokemon on the consoles since I've heard they aren't much as far as games go.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on January 10, 2011, 03:00:49 PM
MMO is like a step ahead.  I just wanted a real Pokemon RPG with all the bells and whistles of the portable games on a console.  I wanted that on the N64!  Doesn't that sound like a million years ago?  MMO, to me, was like the next step.  On the N64 no one was calling for that because consoles at the time couldn't handle such a concept.  Nintendo is so damn behind on this that what we're asking for has changed significantly.

I have no interest in an MMO from Nintendo because I do not trust Nintendo to do one right.  These are the friend codes guys.  You think they'll make a game where kids can interact with adult strangers online?  It isn't going to happen, at least not in any way we would like.

So I'm fine with just the console RPG since that is all I wanted to start with.  But it almost seems like its too late.  The time to release that was either on the N64 or early into the Gamecube's life.  I don't think I would find it as exciting now.  Hell, Nintendo would throw some waggle in it these days and they would half-ass the graphics.  There are so many Pokemon now.  Would they put all of them in?  Back in like 2002 or so you could have expected that but now I doubt they would go to the trouble.

Of course the whole issue is that this has always been the most obvious can't-miss idea around and Nintendo has pissed it away for years.  They TECHNICALLY gave us an RPG on the Cube but they royally fucked it up.  If they couldn't get it right by now why would you assume they ever will?  If they truly cared they would have done it right years ago.
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Post by: Stratos on January 10, 2011, 05:50:08 PM
It could totally happen. But the game will never come to North America because NOA has an 'American Family Friendly Image' to uphold. :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on January 10, 2011, 06:50:25 PM
What about Jesus from the Big Lebowski? Can we trademark that? What about Bob?
Those sound perfect to me. :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on January 11, 2011, 09:40:31 PM
Pokemon RPG rumor yet again?

*Rolleyes* I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 12, 2011, 03:54:32 AM
Pokemon RPG rumor yet again?

*Rolleyes* I'll believe it when I see it.

you mean pokémon mmo?

pokémon is already an rpg

ill believe it when i see it as well
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on January 12, 2011, 11:09:28 AM
Like the rest of you, I'll believe in the existence of a fleshed-out Pokemon console RPG when I see it.  That would actually require Nintendo to put in actual effort, instead of just regurgitating sprites; sound effects; and animations they've been using for years.  Hell, they might actually have to update the gameplay as well, and all that's just not how the Pokemon franchise works.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 26, 2011, 07:48:26 PM
Wii 2 on the horizon? Could it be announced sometime this year?

That's what THQ seems to imply in a recent investor conference according to CVG
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/289446/wii-2-thq-nods-to-possible-nintendo-announcement/
Quote from: Brian Farrell - THQ Boss
"We don't expect new hardware any time soon from either Microsoft or Sony. It's difficult on Nintendo - we'll let them announce their new hardware."


So, Wii 2 announced at the end of this year (Sept./Oct. just before/after TGS) for launch early 2012 (in similar fashion to 3DS this year)? An E3 unveiling with a Holiday 2011 release? or just more talk being read into just a little bit too much?

Discuss.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 26, 2011, 07:51:36 PM
I think CVG is jumping the gun. To me, the comment just means that Farrell has no idea if Nintendo will announced a new system anytime soon. The Wii is still selling really well, so I think a release any earlier than Fall 2012 at the earliest is not at all likely.
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Post by: Stratos on February 27, 2011, 06:50:03 AM
All depends on how ready they are for a launch and how well Kinect does in the longer run.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on February 27, 2011, 12:15:38 PM
I've actually been thinking about this lately.  It would appear that we're entering a title drought, and unless new titles are announced at E3, it can be assumed that Nintendo's working on next-gen titles.  The same thing was observed over the last year for the DS.

Still, I wouldn't expect a new console this year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 27, 2011, 12:17:01 PM
The same dry spell happened last year for the Wii, then they announced a bunch of games at E3 (like Kirby and DKCR). This has become standard for Nintendo.
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Post by: Guitar Smasher on February 27, 2011, 07:38:56 PM
The same dry spell happened last year for the Wii, then they announced a bunch of games at E3 (like Kirby and DKCR). This has become standard for Nintendo.
Don't forget there were some pretty big titles released midway through the year, in Galaxy 2 and OtherM.

Frankly, a lot of teams who released stuff last year won't reasonably be able to have stuff ready, even by the holiday season this year.  They've got to be working on something right now, but won't be ready until 2012 at the earliest.

That's not to say we won't get any holiday title announcements at E3, it's just a question of which teams could be ready.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 27, 2011, 08:02:04 PM
I was reading a video game magazine recently (I think it was GamePro but I won't swear to it) and in it that PackTurd guy was saying "Nintendo blew it for good" because they didn't announce a Wii 2. I don't think he's right, but whatever...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 27, 2011, 08:17:06 PM
Most of last year's games came from outside EAD. DKCR was Retro, Other M was Team Ninja/R&D1, Kirby was Good Feel. EAD Tokyo did Galaxy 2, but it came out early in the year, and Nintendo implied that it could have been out earlier but they didn't want it to compete with (read: be annihilated by) New Super Mario Bros. Wii.

That still leaves all four other EAD studios and Intelligent Systems. IS is almost certainly the team making Paper Mario 3DS. EAD 2 is most likely doing PilotWings Resort, likely in addition to a couple other things (hopefully they've started on Animal Crossing 3DS by now). EAD 3 is working on Zelda, which will hopefully be out this year. That leaves EADs 1 and 4, one of which is probably working on Mario Kart 3DS; the other, I don't know (please, God, let it be Pikmin).

So, yeah, not many possibilities for Wii games from internal teams. Maybe we'll see the return of Nintendo outsourcing stuff to other companies, like Next Level Games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 27, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
You are forgetting other 1st/2nd party studios like Genius Sonority, Brownie Brown, Nd Cube, NST, HAL Laboratory, and a few others I can't remember.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 27, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
Yeah, I was just going from memory so I forgot some of the teams. Still, I can't see anything great coming out of any of those studios.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 28, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
The thing is a Wii 2 coming out this year just fits the pattern.  Super Nintendo in 1991, N64 in 1996, Gamecube in 2001, Wii in 2006.  Hell you could even bullshit around and say the NES counts too because the nationwide launch was in 1986 (1985 was only in select markets like New York).

Of course some of these dates were strictly the American date and it was different in Japan for the SNES.  But the dates have worked since 1996 in both Japan and America.  We're due for the Wii 2 so it is not weird to figure it's on the doorstep.  This is just the standard videogame console timeline.  And it isn't like the Wii is so cutting edge that it doesn't need a successor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2011, 02:56:13 PM
Wii is on the verge of selling 45million units in the US alone and that puts it really close to breaking 100million worldwide before the end of the year.

Reggie said there would be no talk about Wii2 before Wii hit 45 million in the US, so since we are on 45 million's doorstep, I think it's time for Nintendo to start talking.

I think GDC is coming up in a few weeks, so if there is something coming soon, then we should atleast have a few rumors and vague comments coming out of there.

I'm not expecting a Holiday 2011 launch for such a thing as that and a 3DS would be too much for the average consumer pocket to handle, but an early 2012 (FY2011) launch shouldn't be out of the question even if a 2nd Half/late 2012 launch is more likely.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on February 28, 2011, 03:33:55 PM
Nintendo has never launched a console outside of the holiday window, right?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2011, 03:49:07 PM
looks at 3DS....

but I know what you mean and to answer your question
The SNES was released in the summer of 1991 (8/23/91) in the US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System#Launch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System#Launch)
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 28, 2011, 05:43:27 PM
And the N64 was in September, which I never see anyone consider part of the holiday season.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 28, 2011, 09:22:09 PM
I think GDC is coming up in a few weeks, so if there is something coming soon, then we should atleast have a few rumors and vague comments coming out of there.

GDC is THIS week.  Iwata gives his speech on Wednesday.

Of course considering the 3DS has just launched in Japan and is close to launching in North America/Europe, he's not going to talk about a new console since the only system he wants people thinking about is the 3DS.  The best we're going to get from Iwata that isn't related to the 3DS is a new Skyward Sword trailer since Iwata has always reveiled a new Zelda related trailer at GDC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2011, 11:45:55 PM
I'm expecting rumors from 3rd party Devs since they are obviously gonna be talking with each other and maybe behind closed doors with Nintendo. GDC is the place for Nintendo to drum up a little interest from some of the smaller Devs that they might not have reached out to yet.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 01, 2011, 12:40:08 AM
I agree that Nintendo probably doesn't want to steal the 3DS' thunder by bringing out information about the Wii 2 before the 3DS has even been launched. Maybe E3 would be a better time to talk about it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2011, 01:40:07 AM
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/atmoney/enterprises/manda/20110228-OYT8T00464.htm

Iwata says (my interpretation from translation): "No Wii successor soon, as it's only 4 years old and is still selling 7 mill a year in the US. They will stick by Wii until their Devs have no more surprises/software ideas possible on Wii."

in other words, the same thing that is always said on the subject when asked directly.
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Post by: Stratos on March 01, 2011, 05:07:18 AM
And the N64 was in September, which I never see anyone consider part of the holiday season.

I almost typed Fall/Holiday because I just knew you would say something ;) . It's close enough to the same thing in terms of console impact. Fall is when the 'holiday' period starts. Sept-Nov is when the hot holiday items are released.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 01, 2011, 05:22:30 AM
I guess TJ Spyke just met the first person who considers September a part of the holiday shopping season.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 01, 2011, 12:20:50 PM
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They will stick by Wii until their Devs have no more surprises/software ideas possible on Wii.

So we should have got the Wii 2 a good three and a half years ago?  ;D
 
Nintendo has been very good at keeping secrets.  Every year there seems to be something that just pops out of nowhere and they're all like "hey this comes out next month!"  I can totally buy Nintendo dropping the Wii 2 at E3, and having it due in November with anyone hearing otherwise of a new system.
 
I tend to look at the typical console release time like I would at a school year.  Whether it be September or November I think of it as the first half of the school year.  When you're a kid, the time that videogames mean a lot to you, you tend to think in school years more than calendar years.  So the SNES came out around the beginning of the 1991-92 school year, the N64 in the 1996-97 year, etc.  You either start a new school year with a new system or with the hype of new system coming out in a few months.  Expect a release between August and December.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 01, 2011, 05:49:03 PM
This is the first time Nintendo is holding an official webcast for GDC, so I'm going to get overly excited and believe they will have something good to show.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 01, 2011, 05:51:17 PM
I think they are just becoming more aware of media, like how they have been streaming E3 and the Nintendo World event (among others).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 01, 2011, 08:12:07 PM
I hope the Wii 2 will be more powerful than its competitors. It shouldn't be that difficult for Nintendo to pull that off because the Wii 2 is going to be made of 2011 components which are going to be more advanced than what was available in 2005 and 2006 for the 360 and PS3 (respectively).

Being more powerful than the competition is crucial this time around. If the hardware is going to be less powerful then what the hell is the point? It has to stand out and being the most powerful system would probably work well to draw in more of that core third party support that the Wii 1 has been seriously lacking in. Being more powerful is also important because it needs that in order to remain competitive when the inevitable successors to the PS3 and 360 come out. I'm not saying the Wii 2 needs to be so powerful that it can out gun a PS4 or xbox 720, but if it can be like a Dreamcast compared to a PS2 then it will be powerful enough to hold its own.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 04, 2011, 08:39:40 PM
If the Wii 2 passed the 360 and PS3 in terms of power, it would send Microsoft (who just released a new iteration of their console and their answer to the wiimote) and Sony (who just released there answer to the wiimote and just started making money on hardware) into a frenzy.

For once, Nintendo could sit on top of the graphics department and still sell there hardware at a very moderate price.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 04, 2011, 09:27:44 PM
I do not see Nintendo going the same graphical level as Sony, but I do see them adopting the same graphics as the current 360. I mean Nintendo could have easily made the 3DS on the same scale as the NGP but they made the 3DS a handheld Gamecube and not a handheld PS3. Nintendo does business by being one step behind their comeptition while at the same offering something unique that makes their console the most wanted of all. Nintendo is mainly going to adopt HD graphics because of both money and the market is moving towards highly detailed graphics. Although I would love to have a Eternal Darkness 2 with the same graphics as Heavy Rain and not have to worry about multi-disced games.
 
The is how I see the Wii 2:
 
Xbox 360 graphics (without technical issues) + Move + Wiimote = Wii 2
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ymeegod on March 04, 2011, 10:36:40 PM
Well what kills nintendo and helped MS and sony was 3rd party support.  Alot of games didn't getted ported because the developers didn't want to scale down their games.  Think about it, Nintendo had the money, they could easily made the WII more powerful or at least the same power as the xbox 360 which launched a year prior.  They could have sold the WII at a loss and that would have been the nail in MS tomb.  Instead it left enough air for MS to breath and I would think Nintendo will not make the same mistake with this time around.  It has to compete or be close enough so all these great titles get ported to their systems as well.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 05, 2011, 01:17:47 AM
One thing to keep in mind in regards to Nintendo surpasing the PS3 with the Wii 2 is what kind of optical storage will the Wii 2 use? Nintendo is not likely to adopt blu ray, so this seems to leave Nintendo with the option of a similar DVD format as the 360. However, Nintendo has been experimenting with Holograghic disc storage, which uses a similar lense to a blu ray player, but then again the lense would be too expensive for Nintendo to use. What I am trying to say is that if Nintendo wants to surpass Sony then they will need a format that is either equal to or greater than blu ray.What format will Nintendo use for the Wii 2?
 
However, Nintendo does seem to have two advantages over Sony and Micosoft:
 
http://www.psu.com/Microsoft-has-very-few-first-party-studios,-says-Sony--a008640-p0.php (http://www.psu.com/Microsoft-has-very-few-first-party-studios,-says-Sony--a008640-p0.php)
 
This article essesntially points out that Microsoft's first party titles are weak when compared to that of Sony. Arguably Nintendo seems to have a stronger first party cache then even Sony, but then again their games seems weak to harcore gamers when compared to that of Sony based on graphics. So my argument is that Nintendo has stronger first party titles over its competition. Overall, Micosoft is more dependant on third parties then even Nintendo.
 
http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/12/21/ea-sony-ps3-has-almost-impossible-to-supersede-head-start/ (http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/12/21/ea-sony-ps3-has-almost-impossible-to-supersede-head-start/)
 
This second article points out that Sony has a much more credible brand recognition than Microsoft, especially on the international front. How does Sony's brand recognition comapre to that of Nintendo? I would wager that even though Sony has the bigger and badder software and hardware, most people around the globe would notice a Nintendo logo far faster than a Sony logo. Of course the brand battle between Sony and Nintendo boils down to cost. The Sony brand conotates expensive while the Nintendo brand personifies affordability.
 
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 05, 2011, 04:42:21 AM
I do not see Nintendo going the same graphical level as Sony, but I do see them adopting the same graphics as the current 360.

What the hell difference is there between the two? The PS3 and 360 have pretty much identical graphic quality. If there is any difference at all its only negligible. Therefore if Nintendo can create a system which trounces one of them odds are it will also trounce the other.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 05, 2011, 12:48:35 PM
I do not see Nintendo going the same graphical level as Sony, but I do see them adopting the same graphics as the current 360.

What the hell difference is there between the two? The PS3 and 360 have pretty much identical graphic quality. If there is any difference at all its only negligible. Therefore if Nintendo can create a system which trounces one of them odds are it will also trounce the other.

Sorry my friend, but the PS3 is far superior than the 360 (inner Sony fanboy coming out).
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 05, 2011, 02:33:47 PM
You're talking graphics, correct? If that's the case, you would be incorrect. The difference typically is negligible, but any game that's on both consoles always looks better on the 360 - not including games where there is a huge time lapse between releases. The PS3 is definitely a more powerful machine overall, but as far as visuals, 360 always wins.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 05, 2011, 05:27:51 PM
That's what I always find funny.  All the Sony fanboys gloating about the PS3 spec sheet.  Sure, the numbers are bigger, no arguments there.  But when push comes to shove, the numbers are meaningless.  It's the presentation that holds the weight.  If the 360 can display pretty much identical graphics as the PS3, then Microsoft come out on top because they can do it on "weaker" hardware.  Sony needs to use the big flash expensive stuff to achieve the same result.
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Post by: broodwars on March 05, 2011, 05:47:32 PM
You're talking graphics, correct? If that's the case, you would be incorrect. The difference typically is negligible, but any game that's on both consoles always looks better on the 360 - not including games where there is a huge time lapse between releases. The PS3 is definitely a more powerful machine overall, but as far as visuals, 360 always wins.

Final Fantasy XIII would beg to disagree, and that game was released on both consoles at the same time in North America.  The problem is that the 360 is usually the lead platform (since that's where the larger sales tend to be), and the PS3 version is ported from that engine.  Without optimizing for what the PS3 can do, that version of the game suffers.  Games created on both platforms in tandem tend to be more or less equal technically (such as games from EA like Dead Space 2 or the EA SPORTS line).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on March 05, 2011, 07:04:45 PM
PS3 CPU Vs X360 CPU... PS3 wins. The Cell is a beast, believe it.

PS3 GPU Vs X360 GPU... X360 wins. Nvidia's gpu isn't that great.

In the end what matters is developer capability. Also a lot of developers just don't want, or won't be funded to do a decent port for the PS3. That, and developing for the X360 is pretty much PC development which makes it a lot easier for the devs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 06, 2011, 02:49:55 PM
I agree with this article except for the part about the Wii 2 having a blu ray drive:
 
http://n4g.com/user/blogpost/abizzel1/516249 (http://n4g.com/user/blogpost/abizzel1/516249)
 
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2011, 04:00:08 PM
I agree with this article except for the part about the Wii 2 having a blu ray drive:
 
http://n4g.com/user/blogpost/abizzel1/516249 (http://n4g.com/user/blogpost/abizzel1/516249)
 

I don't agree with most things in that article.
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CPU: Custom 3.2 Ghz Triple Core CPU
GPU: Custom ATI 512MB GPU @ 600 - 700mhz
RAM: 1GB of DDR3 1333 RAM
HDD: 120GB HDD @ 7200
Rest:1080p, 3D display, 7.1 Dolby, etc...

3.2Ghz TriCore CPU - maybe
512MB ATi GPU - maybe
1GB of DDR3 RAM - not gonna happen, especially not with DDR3. Nintendo will use less RAM but much faster RAM (512MB mix of 1T-SRAM and XDR2  would be good)
120GB HDD - Also not gonna happen; I'd hope for maybe 64GB of SSD instead (small in size, fast & silent)
Bluray Drive - Don't see it happening. I would hope for a modified drive that allows for DVD and HVD, but I don't know what is up with HVD right now*.
1080p - definitely and already confirmed
3D Display - Wut? it won't come with a display and even the GC is capable of outputting 3D.
7.1 - probably not - 5.1 is a given though. 7.1 is only used by audio enthusiast and Nintendo is not gonna cater to them and pass the cost onto everyone else.


*HVD was supposed to hit the market back in 2007 but never really materialized in any consumer way. There is a HVD board that Sony is also a part of and then there is InPhase which shares a patent on some alternative HVD process with Nintendo. InPhase was supposed to release a product back in 2008, but that was the last I've heard of it. I've heard of modified Bluray lasers that allow HVD to be read, but I honestly couldn't find any info to support that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 06, 2011, 04:03:59 PM
I agree with this article except for the part about the Wii 2 having a blu ray drive:
 
http://n4g.com/user/blogpost/abizzel1/516249 (http://n4g.com/user/blogpost/abizzel1/516249)
 

I don't agree with most things in that article.
Quote
CPU: Custom 3.2 Ghz Triple Core CPU
GPU: Custom ATI 512MB GPU @ 600 - 700mhz
RAM: 1GB of DDR3 1333 RAM
HDD: 120GB HDD @ 7200
Rest:1080p, 3D display, 7.1 Dolby, etc...

3.2Ghz TriCore CPU - maybe
512MB ATi GPU - maybe
1GB of DDR3 RAM - not gonna happen, especially not with DDR3. Nintendo will use less RAM but much faster RAM (512MB mix of 1T-SRAM and XDR2  would be good)
120GB HDD - Also not gonna happen; I'd hope for maybe 64GB of SSD instead (small in size, fast & silent)
1080p - definitely and already confirmed
3D Display - Wut? it won't come with a display and even the GC is capable of outputting 3D.
7.1 - probably not - 5.1 is a given though. 7.1 is only used by audio enthusiast and Nintendo is not gonna cater to them and pass the cost onto everyone else.

I do not know that much about specs, but I imagine the Wii 2 having powerful components while at the same time being cheaper and more efficient than the 360, but not as powerful as the PS3. Another thing, where does everyone get the idea of the Wii 2 having a blu ray player? Even I am not excepting the idea of Nintendo using that format because they would have to pay a fee and cater to Sony.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2011, 04:12:26 PM
I've heard people talking that there are HVD players that use modified Bluray lasers or very similar to Bluray drives and maybe that is where all this talk of Nintendo using BRD is coming from. I haven't been able to find any info on any such drives (I did a brief search), but that could be the reason.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 06, 2011, 04:28:23 PM
Nintendo will never use Blu-ray Discs though. At most, they will use a custom disc that is the same size as BD (the same way the Wii Optical Disc holds the same amount of data as a DVD, but is not a DVD).
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 06, 2011, 05:03:42 PM
I've heard people talking that there are HVD players that use modified Bluray lasers or very similar to Bluray drives and maybe that is where all this talk of Nintendo using BRD is coming from. I haven't been able to find any info on any such drives (I did a brief search), but that could be the reason.

GE just unveiled a HVD that can hold up to a maximum of 500 GBs. That is a massive leap over blu ray discs. Of course I do not see Nintendo going that high in storage, but a game like MGS 4 could easily exist on the console. Also, unlimited storage is one feather that third parties will be attracted to the Wii 2. Although I read some where that a HVD laser can be modified to play blu ray movies.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2011, 07:02:03 PM
From almost 2 years ago
[quote - 4/2009]
General Electric researchers announced today that the company has made a breakthrough in the development of microholographic storage discs for mainstream use. Using G.E.'s current technology, a single holographic disc could ostensibly hold 500 gigabytes of data -- about 100 times the size of a standard DVD -- and still be readable. Better still, these discs should be commercially viable when they're introduced in 2011 or 2012, coming in at around 10 cents per gigabyte (a pittance compared to Blu-ray's initial price of $1 per gigabyte).[/quote]

Just in time for Wii2 late 2011/2012

but in all seriousness, $0.10 per GB x 500GB = $50 a disc
I don't see that being reasonable even if it was a mini-HVD coming in at around 125GB and $10 a disc.
BRD are about $1.60ea for blank media (4x in a 15 pak)

also GE isn't on the HVD collective that Sony is(according to wiki), so I wonder which standard this product would go by.

and a full HVD format probably won't be seen until the industry is ready to bring 4k home, and I don't see that happening anytime soon considering most theaters probably haven't even gotten on board yet and studios probably aren't shooting in it yet either.

SO we still have no idea what is up with HVD, nor do we have any idea what is up with the InPhase/Nintendo standard alternative is either.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 06, 2011, 07:19:04 PM
I don't think TV's will ever support 4000 resolution like theatres because only gullible people would believe it. You basically need to have a theatre sized screen to notice it. Even if you have a 72 inch screen, you will not notice the difference between, for example, a TV with a screen resolution of 3000 and one with 4000. I don't see TV's ever getting much higher than 1080p, it would just be a waste really.

As for HVD, I don't see Nintendo going with something so experimental and new like that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 06, 2011, 07:23:41 PM
From almost 2 years ago
[quote - 4/2009]
General Electric researchers announced today that the company has made a breakthrough in the development of microholographic storage discs for mainstream use. Using G.E.'s current technology, a single holographic disc could ostensibly hold 500 gigabytes of data -- about 100 times the size of a standard DVD -- and still be readable. Better still, these discs should be commercially viable when they're introduced in 2011 or 2012, coming in at around 10 cents per gigabyte (a pittance compared to Blu-ray's initial price of $1 per gigabyte).

Just in time for Wii2 late 2011/2012

but in all seriousness, $0.10 per GB x 500GB = $50 a disc
I don't see that being reasonable even if it was a mini-HVD coming in at around 125GB and $10 a disc.

also GE isn't on the HVD collective that Sony is(according to wiki), so I wonder which standard this product would go by.

and a full HVD format probably won't be seen until the industry is ready to bring 4k home, and I don't see that happening anytime soon considering most theaters probably haven't even gotten on board yet and studios probably aren't shooting in it yet either.

SO we still have no idea what is up with HVD, nor do we have any idea what is up with the InPhase/Nintendo standard alternative is either.
[/quote]
 
The most storage I see a Wii 2 game having is 15 to 20 GBs or more if a third party decides to have more. If the HVD discs cost ten cents per unit then there is no reason for why it should be expensive.
 
Honestly, storage medium is one reason why I am very fascinated with what the Wii 2 will offer. I do not see them retaining their current DVD setup, and for a long time I thought Nintendo would adopt HD-DVD simply because it might be cheap for them and harder to pirate (not so much). Then I realized that they could modfiy the current DVD to hold a maximum of about 15 to 25 GB a piece. Then I though that perhaps Nintendo should return to cartridges for their home console but realized that it might not be cost effective to have large capacity cartridges.
 
http://www.tech-faq.com/hvd.html (http://www.tech-faq.com/hvd.html)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2011, 08:02:41 PM
That link has to be like 5-6 years old

and they can't just make a HVD with the exact amount of storage they need, multiply that times $0.10, write it up, bill it and call it a day. It doesn't work like that.

For Example; Just because SMG uses 1GB of space, they still press it on a 4.7GB DVD, because the disc cost the same regardless of how much of the space you use. It doesn't mean that you have to use all the space, but the discs is pressed separate from the burning process, so individual disc are not pressed to accommodate the specific needs of a certain piece of data that is being burned to it.


But then again, we don't know what Nintendo's HVD format even could be, so there is no telling if it's a spinning disc or a gamecard of some sort and how much either of those will cost.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 06, 2011, 10:04:37 PM
Final Fantasy XIII would beg to disagree, and that game was released on both consoles at the same time in North America.  The problem is that the 360 is usually the lead platform (since that's where the larger sales tend to be), and the PS3 version is ported from that engine.  Without optimizing for what the PS3 can do, that version of the game suffers.  Games created on both platforms in tandem tend to be more or less equal technically (such as games from EA like Dead Space 2 or the EA SPORTS line).
That's because Square Enix and Sony have been in bed together ever since Square broke up with Nintendo.

Nintendo will never use Blu-ray Discs though. At most, they will use a custom disc that is the same size as BD (the same way the Wii Optical Disc holds the same amount of data as a DVD, but is not a DVD).
We've been through this - Wii games are DVDs. They hold the same amount of data because they are the same thing. File system is different, everything's encrypted. Disc is a DVD.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Nemo on March 06, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
The important difference between Wii discs/disc drives and DVDs/DVD drives is that Nintendo doesn't have to pay a fee to anyone to use their format. Even though, in all other practical ways, Wii discs are DVDs.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 06, 2011, 10:54:44 PM
Nintendo will never use Blu-ray Discs though. At most, they will use a custom disc that is the same size as BD (the same way the Wii Optical Disc holds the same amount of data as a DVD, but is not a DVD).
We've been through this - Wii games are DVDs. They hold the same amount of data because they are the same thing. File system is different, everything's encrypted. Disc is a DVD.

The FACT is that you are wrong. They hold the same amount of data, but are not the same. Xbox 360 discs are DVDs, PlayStation 3 discs are Blu-ray Discs, Wii discs are a propriety format that just shares the same data size as DVDs. You can feel differently, but you are wrong.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 06, 2011, 11:10:06 PM
The fact that newer Wii drives can no longer read DVD movies or Wii games burned onto DVDs leads me to believe the discs are something different than DVDs, but I guess there's no way to know for sure one way or the other.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 06, 2011, 11:27:51 PM
The fact that newer Wii drives can no longer read DVD movies or Wii games burned onto DVDs leads me to believe the discs are something different than DVDs, but I guess there's no way to know for sure one way or the other.

This makes me beg the question as to whether Nintendo is capable of just modifying a newer form of the DVD they are using for the Wii and carry it over to the succeeding console. Regardless of what kind of medium they choose, what ever cripples piracy the best is what they will use.
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Post by: Stogi on March 07, 2011, 08:03:07 AM
Nintendo, post-n64, will always go for security first, then cheapness a close second. That's why it's always been some version of proprietary disc. While I love the thought of a flash-based card, I doubt Nintendo would find it cost effective. But who knows, Nintendo uses SD cards more than any other company I know of (besides those who make them). So if they came up to whatever company (kingston or what have you) with a proposition, I think that company would be stupid not to listen.

But there's one major flaw to using cards. SD card security isn't that amazing. Fake DS games have flooded eBay. It's been rampant. The only reason they are used is because they don't have any moving parts which save on battery life and makes the system less prone to breaking.

That makes me think they will go with a proprietary disc again. It's hard to say if they'll use HVD since we still know barely anything about it (which honestly might be reason to think they are using it). If I had to place my chips on something, it would be them using something that isn't HVD or SD cards. Some form of proprietary DVD is a safe bet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 07, 2011, 10:22:20 AM
Nintendo will never use Blu-ray Discs though. At most, they will use a custom disc that is the same size as BD (the same way the Wii Optical Disc holds the same amount of data as a DVD, but is not a DVD).
We've been through this - Wii games are DVDs. They hold the same amount of data because they are the same thing. File system is different, everything's encrypted. Disc is a DVD.

The FACT is that you are wrong. They hold the same amount of data, but are not the same. Xbox 360 discs are DVDs, PlayStation 3 discs are Blu-ray Discs, Wii discs are a propriety format that just shares the same data size as DVDs. You can feel differently, but you are wrong.
Wrong. You're just wrong. No need to argue, just do some searching on the internet. The Wii has a single laser diode, and that laser reads DVDs...and nothing else but DVDs. Just because you can't put it in your computer (though in some you can...and this is in a DVD-ROM, not a Wii Optical Disc-ROM, because those do not exist) and read it doesn't mean it's not a DVD. It is a DVD.
The fact that newer Wii drives can no longer read DVD movies or Wii games burned onto DVDs leads me to believe the discs are something different than DVDs, but I guess there's no way to know for sure one way or the other.
This is because of the software and the hardware being changed. The new Wiis cannot read DVD-R discs (hardware change), and the code that lets you re-enable DVD playback (remember, it was left in the system software, but basically tucked away) is no longer present either (software change).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 07, 2011, 10:43:44 AM
Believe whatever you want Brandogg, you obviously will not believe anyone who disagrees with you.Wii discs are not DVDs, it's as simple as that.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 07, 2011, 10:56:38 AM
It's not as simple as that. I used to think that Wiis used their own special media (as in a completely different physical disc), and that GameCube discs were written and spun backwards just like everyone else on the internet, but then i did some research. I will disagree with anyone who says that Wii discs are not DVDs though. Why would the Wii read DVDs (and nothing but DVDs) if Wii games were anything but...DVDs? The new Wii hardware (specifically the drive they use now) explicitly blocks anything but retail Wii and GameCube discs from loading, so DVD movie playback is no longer possible. You can, however, swap in an older model DVD-ROM and regain DVD-R disc (for backups) playback. Not sure if movies will work using this method, but my instincts say yes. If I ever come across a black Wii I'll answer that question.
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Post by: ThePerm on March 07, 2011, 03:04:35 PM
they're dvds but they don't use a FAT file system. They use a proprietary file system so your computer has no idea what to do with them...as far as i know
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on March 09, 2011, 12:16:08 AM
It's not as simple as that. I used to think that Wiis used their own special media (as in a completely different physical disc), and that GameCube discs were written and spun backwards just like everyone else on the internet, but then i did some research. I will disagree with anyone who says that Wii discs are not DVDs though. Why would the Wii read DVDs (and nothing but DVDs) if Wii games were anything but...DVDs? The new Wii hardware (specifically the drive they use now) explicitly blocks anything but retail Wii and GameCube discs from loading, so DVD movie playback is no longer possible. You can, however, swap in an older model DVD-ROM and regain DVD-R disc (for backups) playback. Not sure if movies will work using this method, but my instincts say yes. If I ever come across a black Wii I'll answer that question.

And you can direct the Wii to read hard drives and the SD card slot in order to play games, too.  Turns out when you modify a Wii, it can do things an unmodified Wii can't typically do.

The point is, if it were as simple as a change in software, there would be something out there for homebrew that could allow users to alter the Wii's firmware to make it play DVDs.  As it stands, while Wii Optical Discs are entirely similar to DVDs, they are not one and the same, even if just because of the burst cutting print on a Wii Disc.  It's likely there's more to it than that burst cut, or new Wiis would be able to play DVDs like older Wiis can.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 09, 2011, 12:35:45 AM
Nintendo will never use Blu-ray Discs though. At most, they will use a custom disc that is the same size as BD (the same way the Wii Optical Disc holds the same amount of data as a DVD, but is not a DVD).
We've been through this - Wii games are DVDs. They hold the same amount of data because they are the same thing. File system is different, everything's encrypted. Disc is a DVD.

The FACT is that you are wrong. They hold the same amount of data, but are not the same. Xbox 360 discs are DVDs, PlayStation 3 discs are Blu-ray Discs, Wii discs are a propriety format that just shares the same data size as DVDs. You can feel differently, but you are wrong.

Actually Brandogg is right. Look at it this way: an audio CD and a CD-ROM game are both CDs. They just have different filesystems and data. That's how it is between DVDs and Wii discs. They both use the exact same physical media. The only difference is in what is written on the discs (the data). Do you think it was just a mere coincidence that they both share the exact same data capacity?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 09, 2011, 01:15:09 AM
And you can direct the Wii to read hard drives and the SD card slot in order to play games, too.  Turns out when you modify a Wii, it can do things an unmodified Wii can't typically do.

The point is, if it were as simple as a change in software, there would be something out there for homebrew that could allow users to alter the Wii's firmware to make it play DVDs.  As it stands, while Wii Optical Discs are entirely similar to DVDs, they are not one and the same, even if just because of the burst cutting print on a Wii Disc.  It's likely there's more to it than that burst cut, or new Wiis would be able to play DVDs like older Wiis can.
But there *IS* something out there for homebrew that lets you play DVDs on the Wii. You can't alter the firmware of the DVD-ROM, but you can alter the system software (and restore the DVD movie functionality that is hidden, but in the Wii's software, from the beginning). The Wii Menu does not have a built-in DVD movie player, which is why you use WiiMC or other means to actually play the disc. New Wiis can't play DVDs because the drive firmware (which cannot be updated via a system update) explicitly blocks DVD movies and DVD-R discs. I've already explained this, and putting an old Wii DVD-ROM should enable DVD movie playback, too. The stuff you're talking about (ISO loaders) has absolutely nothing to do with this, and is a completely different concept. You can also use homebrew that lets you use the Wii DVD-ROM to play games off of...DVD-R discs...because Wii games...are on DVDs. Yes, there is a BCA that is used to authenticate discs, that does not make the disc no longer a DVD, it just makes it a DVD with the appropriate BCA on it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2011, 01:16:35 AM
I don't see the point of this discussion.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 09, 2011, 01:46:23 AM
I don't see the point of this discussion.

To see who has the larger E-Peen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on March 09, 2011, 02:01:09 AM
When is a DVD not a DVD?

Isn't a DVD a specific format of media, owned by a group of businesses, that are required to be set to a certain set of specifications - and that requires you to pay that group of businesses a fee?

As Wii Discs do not meed these exact specifications and Nintendo hasn't paid the royalties, can they be called DVDs?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2011, 02:50:50 AM
DVD: A type of compact disc able to store large amounts of data, esp. high-resolution audio-visual material
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD)

DVD is the disc itself. The royalties are paid for reading the DVD movie format that is used for encoding the video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video)

To end this back and forth debate, from all I've just read, the Wii Optical Disc is a standard DVD (Digital Versatile Disc) that that doesn't license the DVD video format and therefore does not natively allow DVD movie playback.

Quote from: Wiki: DVD Video
The DVD-Video specification was created by DVD Forum and can be obtained from DVD Format/Logo Licensing Corporation for a fee of $5,000.[5][6] The specification is not publicly available, because every subscriber must sign a non-disclosure agreement. Certain information in the DVD Book* is proprietary and confidential.

*DVD specifications created and updated by the DVD Forum are published as so-called DVD Books
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: that Baby guy on March 09, 2011, 12:10:22 PM
I do agree this argument has no place here.  I have more I can say, but I'll refrain from posting it in this thread. If anyone wants to hear it, start a thread about Wiis and DVDs, or bump an old one, if there is an old one. I don't want to derail the rumor thread anymore.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 09, 2011, 03:00:08 PM
I just want to say I enjoy the discussion/argument even if it doesn't belong here... at least no one is trolling or personally attacking each other like in certain other threads. If going offtopic is the worst problem this thread has to deal with then I would say its pretty lucky.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 09, 2011, 05:16:58 PM
I'm done explaining it. I've already shown why a Wii disc is a DVD, and no one has shown otherwise. So...peace out of this conversation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2011, 06:32:36 PM
I'm done explaining it. I've already shown why a Wii disc is a DVD, and no one has shown otherwise. So...peace out of this conversation.

I backed you up with links so the doubters and read up on it for themselves. No need to explain it any further.

Now to put this thread slightly back on topic. E3 is less than 90 days away (May 7, 2011).

People are speculating that Nintendo might hint at new hardware and will reveal a handful of previously unannounced games for N.A, some we didn't even know existed and others will be previously un-localized (crosses fingers for Xenoblade & The Last Story).

Since we like to speculate, and there is no official E3 thread (too early for one), what do all of you hope/expect to see at this years E3?
and I mean from all involved, not just Nintendo and affiliates. (Sony, MS, SE, Acti, EA, Ubi, etc. etc. etc.)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 09, 2011, 07:39:18 PM
I think we should leave this thread for actual rumors and start another thread for general Nintendo speculation. I know we've been doing it here for a while, but I think it would be better to separate them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2011, 07:40:03 PM
Why? Aren't they one and the same? Don't you use rumors to speculate?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 09, 2011, 07:43:01 PM
There is some overlap, but there is a distinction between rumors that have actually been floating around the industry and us making predictions or saying what we hope to see.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on March 10, 2011, 01:22:35 PM
I just want to say I enjoy the discussion/argument even if it doesn't belong here... at least no one is trolling or personally attacking each other like in certain other threads. If going offtopic is the worst problem this thread has to deal with then I would say its pretty lucky.

I should hope that the distinction between "DVD" and "WiiVD" isn't something worth getting fired up over. :D  I know, personally, I don't much care (although I do appreciate BnM's distinction between DVD-Video and a DVD Disc... I was under the belief that if something was a "DVD", you had to pay for the license...)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 12, 2011, 09:14:29 PM
I found an article about somethin called Thunderbolt and it is a new type of USB connection cable that runs a lot fater than the normal USB. Could this ever find its way onto a Nintendo system in the future?
 
http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/02/24/what-is-thunderbolt-and-will-it-change-your-life/ (http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/02/24/what-is-thunderbolt-and-will-it-change-your-life/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 12, 2011, 10:58:35 PM
Doesn't belong in the rumor thread, since this is essentially a brand new technology that only a few companies (none of them being Nintendo) have signed on for. It will be years before (and if) it ever becomes a new standard. Also, it isn't a new type of USB connection cable, it's a new type of connection altogether. It does sound pretty awesome though, and probably will take off, which is cool for the future, but it's also kind of annoying when stuff like this happens.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 12, 2011, 11:38:38 PM
I can't really think of a reason why you'd want it in a Nintendo system. It doesn't offer anything that would be useful in that context.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 13, 2011, 12:47:15 AM
Well you could potentially use it to upgrade the GPU one day, I imagine.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 13, 2011, 01:04:15 AM
You could, but I don't see that as a likely feature on a console, especially a Nintendo console. It defeats the purpose of a console, having everyone have the same hardware configuration.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 13, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
You could, but I don't see that as a likely feature on a console, especially a Nintendo console. It defeats the purpose of a console, having everyone have the same hardware configuration.

The N64 had that memory pak thing which was required for certain games. So you can't say Nintendo hasn't done it before. Plus almost every console they made since the NES had at least the capability to be upgraded via some connection thing on the bottom. If you own or ever owned an NES if you look at the bottom of it there's something that can open up which something could have theoretically plugged into to expand the NES, like a modem or something... but it was never used for anything (maybe in Japan it was, I dunno). But it seems like with the Wii they finally dropped that thing, but even the GC had it, and in the GC's case it was used for the GB player and the almost completely useless modem peripheral. But I imagine it could have been used to expand the capability of the system if Nintendo had been so inclined, which they may have been if the GC had been a serious player.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 13, 2011, 03:55:34 PM
The Memory Pak was just a memory card. I think you meant the RAM Expansion Pak.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 13, 2011, 04:10:18 PM
The only reason I mentioned this new cable was that it might actually help in the download speed of disc based games. It might actually make it easier to download Gamecube games if they were to appear on the Virtual Console on the Wii 2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 13, 2011, 04:11:54 PM
It would still be limited by the speed of your internet connection, and thus wouldn't offer any benefit over standard connections.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 13, 2011, 04:26:28 PM
The only reason I mentioned this new cable was that it might actually help in the download speed of disc based games. It might actually make it easier to download Gamecube games if they were to appear on the Virtual Console on the Wii 2.

You don't download games through USB/Thunderbolt; you download them from the internet. USB/Thunderbolt is for devices to communicate with one another. I don't think it would even be possible to have the internet run through USB/Thunderbolt because I imagine it probably has a maximum range of 20ft or something like that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 13, 2011, 06:28:57 PM
You could, but I don't see that as a likely feature on a console, especially a Nintendo console. It defeats the purpose of a console, having everyone have the same hardware configuration.

The N64 had that memory pak thing which was required for certain games. So you can't say Nintendo hasn't done it before. Plus almost every console they made since the NES had at least the capability to be upgraded via some connection thing on the bottom. If you own or ever owned an NES if you look at the bottom of it there's something that can open up which something could have theoretically plugged into to expand the NES, like a modem or something... but it was never used for anything (maybe in Japan it was, I dunno). But it seems like with the Wii they finally dropped that thing, but even the GC had it, and in the GC's case it was used for the GB player and the almost completely useless modem peripheral. But I imagine it could have been used to expand the capability of the system if Nintendo had been so inclined, which they may have been if the GC had been a serious player.
The Wii still had expansion ports.  They just standardized this time instead of going proprietary and used two USB ports and an SD card reader.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2011, 06:51:23 PM
You could, but I don't see that as a likely feature on a console, especially a Nintendo console. It defeats the purpose of a console, having everyone have the same hardware configuration.

The N64 had that memory pak thing which was required for certain games. So you can't say Nintendo hasn't done it before. Plus almost every console they made since the NES had at least the capability to be upgraded via some connection thing on the bottom. If you own or ever owned an NES if you look at the bottom of it there's something that can open up which something could have theoretically plugged into to expand the NES, like a modem or something... but it was never used for anything (maybe in Japan it was, I dunno). But it seems like with the Wii they finally dropped that thing, but even the GC had it, and in the GC's case it was used for the GB player and the almost completely useless modem peripheral. But I imagine it could have been used to expand the capability of the system if Nintendo had been so inclined, which they may have been if the GC had been a serious player.
The Wii still had expansion ports.  They just standardized this time instead of going proprietary and used two USB ports and an SD card reader.

AND THE ORANGE PORT!!!! WHAT IS IT FOR!!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 14, 2011, 12:28:48 AM
Buttsecks. Oh, my bad, thought this was the funhouse.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 14, 2011, 07:39:31 AM
You could, but I don't see that as a likely feature on a console, especially a Nintendo console. It defeats the purpose of a console, having everyone have the same hardware configuration.

The N64 had that memory pak thing which was required for certain games. So you can't say Nintendo hasn't done it before. Plus almost every console they made since the NES had at least the capability to be upgraded via some connection thing on the bottom. If you own or ever owned an NES if you look at the bottom of it there's something that can open up which something could have theoretically plugged into to expand the NES, like a modem or something... but it was never used for anything (maybe in Japan it was, I dunno). But it seems like with the Wii they finally dropped that thing, but even the GC had it, and in the GC's case it was used for the GB player and the almost completely useless modem peripheral. But I imagine it could have been used to expand the capability of the system if Nintendo had been so inclined, which they may have been if the GC had been a serious player.
The Wii still had expansion ports.  They just standardized this time instead of going proprietary and used two USB ports and an SD card reader.

But you couldn't use those ports to add more RAM or upgrade the GPU, so its really not the same thing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 14, 2011, 05:26:06 PM
N64 let you add 2MB more RAM, that's what the expansion pak was. Saturn let you add 8MB RAM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 14, 2011, 05:41:08 PM
N64 let you add 2MB more RAM.

4MB actually, it brought the system up from 4MB to 8MB.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 14, 2011, 06:28:23 PM
If you own or ever owned an NES if you look at the bottom of it there's something that can open up which something could have theoretically plugged into to expand the NES, like a modem or something... but it was never used for anything (maybe in Japan it was, I dunno).
In Japan it was used for the Famicom Disk System, which Nintendo left as a possibility to release in North America but I don't know if they ever actually planned it. There were also Japan-only add-ons for the SNES and Nintendo 64 released only in Japan that plugged into the underside port, the Satelliview and 64DD, respectively.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on March 14, 2011, 07:52:45 PM
I thought the Satelliview was simply a cartridge... Could (probably) be wrong though...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 14, 2011, 07:59:29 PM
The Satelliview was a modem that was actually bigger than the SNES itself and plugged into the bottom of the system (you also needed a cartridge too). Here is a pic of it:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Satellaview_with_Super_Famicom.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Retro Deckades on March 14, 2011, 08:19:57 PM
For a fantastic overview of the Satellaview (and it's accompanying Zelda titles), check out this video:

http://www.clanofthegraywolf.com/16-bit-gems/20 (http://www.clanofthegraywolf.com/16-bit-gems/20)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 17, 2011, 06:56:08 PM
I thought the Satellaview (and to a lesser extent the 64DD) was an interesting piece of hardware and kind of ahead of its time, which is probably one reason why it didn't sell so well. I wonder if Nintendo have copies of the games they featured on the service, so that they could release them again. Even though I'm pretty sure a lot of the stuff was modified versions of NES or SNES games, it'd still be neat to see them in that altered form.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 17, 2011, 07:38:06 PM
Nintendo must have copies of them. If not, they can use the pirated copies that are available on the internet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 17, 2011, 09:08:45 PM
Madworld 2 will be announced as a Wii exclusive at this year's E3 (I hope).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2011, 12:26:17 AM
http://www.conceivablytech.com/6292/business/nintendo-wii-2-rumors-fueled-3ds-presales-strong (http://www.conceivablytech.com/6292/business/nintendo-wii-2-rumors-fueled-3ds-presales-strong)
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It’s not much of a secret anymore that Nintendo has to do something about its Wii console and that it gets run over by Microsoft’s Xbox and possibly even Sony’s Playstation 3, at least in the U.S. A new generation of the Wii may arrive soon and integrate HD capability, EA said in an interview.

Some statements published by Industry Gamers suggest that Nintendo may be closer to releasing information about a new game console than we think. There is no way to put a time frame around the notes, but Frank Gibeau’s quote (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ea-hints-at-wii-2-says-wii-is-now-legacy-platform/) that Nintendo “is coming back with a second act [now]” is surely an attention getter. Gibeau is president of EA Games Label.

The executive hinted that a new Wii will be an HD platform, while the current Wii is a legacy console like the PS2 is and there are different market dynamics that are capturing sales today. However, there are also notes that suggest Nintendo isn’t quite done with the concept of its next console yet: “They’re going to figure something out. They’re going to come back at it,” Gibeau said. Not surprisingly, he criticized Nintendo’s lack of third party developer support and mentioned that the company will have to do much more in the future to invite the creation of more outside games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 18, 2011, 12:36:07 AM
Not surprisingly, he criticized Nintendo’s lack of third party developer support and mentioned that the company will have to do much more in the future to invite the creation of more outside games.
[/quote]And in return, third-parties should stop creating so much utter garbage.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 18, 2011, 12:23:45 PM
Nintendo must have copies of them. If not, they can use the pirated copies that are available on the internet.

Were Satelliview games even pirateable?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 18, 2011, 12:29:21 PM
Well, there are ROMs of at least some of them on the internet, so I would say so. I've personally played the F-Zero game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 18, 2011, 12:37:44 PM
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The executive hinted that a new Wii will be an HD platform, while the current Wii is a legacy console like the PS2 is and there are different market dynamics that are capturing sales today.

Ouch!  Directly comparing the Wii to the PS2 like it literally is a last gen machine.  "Legacy console" is now my new favourite insult.
 
Everyone knows a Wii successor is inevitable.  Give us a timeframe or specifics about the hardware itself and now we've got some news.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2011, 12:51:00 PM
Ubisoft has hinted a new system
EA hinted at a new system

Reggie says not until we hit 45M in the US (which should happen this year)

So many signs point to it atleast being announced at some point this year. My guess would be around TGS time and maybe mentioned at E3 with a release sometime next early year. But that's all speculation of course.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 18, 2011, 04:21:05 PM
Quote
The executive hinted that a new Wii will be an HD platform, while the current Wii is a legacy console like the PS2 is and there are different market dynamics that are capturing sales today.

Ouch!  Directly comparing the Wii to the PS2 like it literally is a last gen machine.

Which isn't fair seeing as how even the Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2. As for the Wii, it has to be at least as powerful as the original XBOX and arguably even moreso. Had it been launched in the 6th generation it would have been a beast in comparison.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 18, 2011, 11:22:57 PM
It has better processing power than the Xbox, but still can't match it graphics capabilities, which is rather sad no matter how you look at it. Xbox can output 720p and 1080i (and look absolutely amazing in games like Soul Calibur 2), and supports shaders that the Wii does not, so you can get some absolutely stunning (for a 2001 machine) graphics like you see in Half-Life 2, Doom 3, or Chronicles of Riddick.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 19, 2011, 02:09:14 AM
I think the point about Wii being a 'legacy' console is being missed.  It's not a direct comparison to PS2, as in it's from the same generation as PS2 (in any sense).  What it implies is that once it's successor is released, it will continue to sell well - like the PS2 did after the PS3 was released.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Wii rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on March 19, 2011, 08:33:04 PM
The problem is with how the statement is worded, as if the Wii currently is a "legacy console." Given the context that might not be what the person was saying, but it's what it was worded like.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
Word on the Street has it that Monster Hunter 3DS is gonna be announced sometime soon.

Supposedly Capcom had a new game to announce at a Monster Hunter event last month that was canceled because of the earthquake in Japan, but they then said they had a new 3DS game to announce next this month. It's also been rumored that MH was making the jump to the 3DS since a few months back, so could the cancelled MH announcement from last month and the upcoming 3DS announcement for this month be the same announcement?

Could MHP3DS be the BIG 3rd Party game that the 3DS needs to jumpstart is sales again?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Nick DiMola on April 04, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
Madworld 2 will be announced as a Wii exclusive at this year's E3 (I hope).

http://www.sega.com/games/anarchy-reigns/

Not quite Madworld 2 - but kinda. Also, it's a 360/PS3 title.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
Madworld 2 will be announced as a Wii exclusive at this year's E3 (I hope).

http://www.sega.com/games/anarchy-reigns/

Not quite Madworld 2 - but kinda. Also, it's a 360/PS3 title.

Wow, that is basically MadWorld HD in Color and not for Wii.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 04, 2011, 03:56:04 PM
Did Madworld even sell? I see its available on Amazon brand new for $7.29. That low of a price kinda suggests the game bombed in a bad way. If that's the case it may be unlikely there will be a sequel, and if there is a sequel it probably won't be a Wii exclusive (if it is even on the Wii at all).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 04, 2011, 05:10:08 PM
Didn't Sega state that they were pleased with the sales?

Acording to VG Chartz it's sold 390k in North America and 620k worldwide.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on April 04, 2011, 07:10:27 PM
Didn't Sega state that they were pleased with the sales?

Acording to VG Chartz it's sold 390k in North America and 620k worldwide.
FYI, VGChartz makes numbers up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 04, 2011, 08:02:22 PM
MadWorld probably got a majority of its sales once the price dropped. It's been around $7 for over a year now, so it would seem they still produce copies of it.

That low of a price kinda suggests the game bombed in a bad way.
What would be a bomb in a good way?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2011, 08:23:34 PM
That low of a price kinda suggests the game bombed in a bad way.
What would be a bomb in a good way?

Charlie Sheen's Live Tour
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on April 05, 2011, 01:34:21 AM
That low of a price kinda suggests the game bombed in a bad way.
What would be a bomb in a good way?

Charlie Sheen's Live Tour

Irish Car Bombs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 05, 2011, 01:56:16 AM
Anyway, since the game is only $7 I guess everyone who hasn't played it might as well get it, and those who already have it could grab additional copies as gifts to friends/family.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 05, 2011, 12:37:40 PM
Oh yeah, I'd love to give an ultra-violent Wii game to my 7 year old sister for Christmas.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2011, 12:51:21 PM
It's in Black and White, she wouldn't even hold interest long enough to play it.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 05, 2011, 12:59:05 PM
Heck, there goes most kids around my age too.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 05, 2011, 04:44:28 PM
Madworld probably isn't much more violent than a typical Warner Bros. cartoon show.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 05, 2011, 04:50:04 PM
Have you played it? Probably not, since you just said something like that. Look up gameplay video. It's extremely violent.
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Post by: bustin98 on April 05, 2011, 05:33:16 PM
There's a difference between violence and gore. It has more gore than a un-censored Bugs Bunny cartoon, but the level of violence is probably comparable. Seeing how you're 16, and Warner began censoring Bugs Bunny in the late 80s - mid 90s, more than likely you haven't seen the real Bugs Bunny unless you bought the DVD sets.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 05, 2011, 07:12:31 PM
It's called Youtube. Doesn't look that violent to me. And yes, gore pretty much equals violence to me.
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Post by: Stogi on April 05, 2011, 07:13:35 PM
Bugs Bunny is also racist.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2011, 07:40:04 PM
Poor Daffy..... :(
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 05, 2011, 10:47:51 PM
Bugs Bunny is also racist.

(http://x7b.xanga.com/0b385b0160408256226520/b203809310.jpg)
 
 
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Post by: bustin98 on April 06, 2011, 12:42:37 AM
You kids and your fancy smancy internet. Why, in my day, we had UHF and we liked it!

Gore is blood and guts. A quick slice of the knife isn't very violent, but it will get you lots of gore.

Meanwhile, Bugs and pals are cooking in ovens, getting hit with hammers, anvils, pianos, falling off cliffs, exploded by dynomite, shot in the face with a shotgun, gettin eaten by sharks and other exotic animals. Are you sure you were watching the right cartoons?
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Post by: Stogi on April 06, 2011, 03:02:29 AM
Dude...in one cartoon Bugs Bunny did black face.

Cartoons were fucked up back then.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 06, 2011, 03:16:46 AM
That low of a price kinda suggests the game bombed in a bad way.
What would be a bomb in a good way?

Charlie Sheen's Live Tour

Irish Car Bombs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVyVIsvQoaE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVyVIsvQoaE)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 06, 2011, 05:29:07 AM
I remember cartoons like Tom and Jerry where the characters could get decapitated at times. Now, granted I don't think there was any blood or anything like that, but it was still decapitation... it seemed a bit too violent for something intended for children. It also gave the wrong impression too, because the characters always survived no matter what happened. So what happens when little Billy tries to decapitate his sister? You can be sure that won't have a happy ending.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 06, 2011, 12:29:19 PM
As a kid I was never so stupid to assume that I could drop an anvil and someone and they would be fine like in a cartoon.  It was incredibly obvious to me that cartoon violence was absurd and silly and that's what made it funny.  Maybe I was just a smart kid.  I also never for a second believed that Big Bird or Kermit were real beings.  It was obvious that they were puppets or people in costumes and yet I see tons of little kids that run out and hug the guy in the Spongebob costume.

If I had kids I wouldn't let them play games with blood and gore.  It would be rather hypocritical for me to have a bug up my butt about any non-gorey videogame violence when damn near every game I played as a kid was violent in some way.  Whether your squashing Goombas in Mario or eating ghots in Pac-Man, that's violence.  In a game like Commando or Contra you are just killing hundreds of guys with each playthrough.  So for me blood and guts is the deciding factor.
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Post by: Stogi on April 06, 2011, 03:50:48 PM
As much as I love to say people are idiots, I think you're being too hard on the youth. I don't think a lot of kids believe what happens in cartoons is real or puppet characters are real, but they still hold substance. Believe you me, if I saw a TMNT as a kid, I would have ran up to him.
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Post by: Ceric on April 06, 2011, 04:52:29 PM
My son just started sort of gaming.  He liked watching me ride the horsie in WoW and tried to do things himself.  When I got my 3DS I picked up a Dora game for him so he could play my DS because I know he want to mimic me.  Which was fine for his first game Dora should be appropriate he's almost three.  Than he saw me playing Monkey Ball and he wanted to play with the monkeys that worked ok.  He caught me playing Street Fighter and now he wants to play that he even won a match on easy...  Though he's 3 should he be playing something like Street Fighter thats the question?  Is it any worse then watching She-Ra?
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 06, 2011, 05:20:12 PM
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When I got my 3DS I picked up a Dora game for him so he could play my DS because I know he want to mimic me.  Which was fine for his first game Dora should be appropriate he's almost three.

What sort of gamer are you?  You get your son a game that is so obviously shovelware when you know there are games like Mario that are not only kid friendly but are also really good games?  Come on!  You're supposed to know what's up.  Crappy licenced shovelware is for parents that don't know better.
 
This post is somewhat in jest.
 
 
 
 
 
Somewhat.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2011, 05:50:14 PM
Your SON is Playing DORA and watching SHE-RA!!?

Lol j/k, I know they are age-appropriate

I could show you a video of a 4yr old girl kickin ass on Capcom vs Tatsunoku as I type this. She loves that game. She can actually beat me once in a while too, but I don't claim to be any good at the game, at least not on a competitive level.


I hear there is a new My Little Pony cartoon that s supposed to be good and just started not so long ago too.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 06, 2011, 07:03:30 PM
Many kids think professional wrestling is real. Then again, to be fair, there are also many adults who believe its real as well....
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Post by: Stogi on April 06, 2011, 07:35:35 PM
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h103/kylebawb/redneck.jpg)

HE DOES.

But to be fair so do I.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_T5l4T1v6mz4/SclDYxix8vI/AAAAAAAABLw/JsrXWl_vu-8/s400/female_jello_wrestling_girls_03.jpg)

(http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/thumbs%20up%20cosby.jpg)
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Post by: Stogi on April 06, 2011, 07:36:00 PM
And the thread stays derailed.
Title: Wii 2 @ E3 2011?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2011, 11:34:33 PM
Now to get it back on track

More Fuel To The "Wii2 @ E3 Announcement" Rumors?
Ono: SSFIV3DS connects to a Video Game System. Can't say more till E3
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Yoshinori Ono "confirms" that could be presented a new desktop system from Nintendo.

Thus, players could be facing one of the possible bombing that Nintendo would have prepared for the E3 in Los Angeles, the arrival of Wii 2 could be imminent.

All this information has come through the words of one of the people most is betting on Nintendo 3DS, Yoshinori Ono, Capcom and developer already has a review of Super Street Fighter IV on Nintendo 3DS.

It is well known for their support in the handheld, has confirmed that Super Street Fighter IV will have connectivity to a video game system, but can not confirm until three months, coinciding with the E3 in Los Angeles. They suggest two things very interesting in his words, the first that the games could be patched and updated to offer new content and the aforementioned Wii 2 could be presented at the Nintendo press conference.

Wii2 or connectivity with Wii? Some site trolling for hits or this may have some merit to it?
What do you guys think.
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Post by: broodwars on April 07, 2011, 12:02:01 AM
Wii2 or connectivity with Wii? Some site trolling for hits or this may have some merit to it?
What do you guys think.

Well, I've been saying that the Wii 2 will be at E3 2011 all along, so this doesn't surprise me.  Nintendo has no choice: the Wii is not selling like it used to, so much that Nintendo had to get the 3DS out (despite its services not being ready) before the end of the fiscal year just to cover for it.  Plus, the Wii's upcoming software lineup right now is a joke outside of Zelda and the possibility of some Japan-only Wii games making it stateside.  I don't think the Wii 2 will release this year, but it has to be at E3 this year.
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Post by: Stratos on April 07, 2011, 03:14:32 AM
I still say we'll get just a code name and some concepts for the system at best but no full on reveal. I guess we COULD get a physical hardware reveal like the Wii did where all we saw was the console itself but no controller, leaving us to debate every nuance of the systems front image.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2011, 04:50:43 AM
Right now it seems like a lot of Wii owners are only using the system for WiiWare/Virtual Console or as a dust magnet. Its just so ridiculous and sad that the best selling console and the market leader ended up like this. Did the Wii live up to its full potential? Absolutely not! And now at this point its too late to turn things around. Actions should have been taken in 2007, but now in 2011 its just far too late.

The worst part of this whole thing is the negative reputation both the Wii brand and even Nintendo themselves have gained as a result. This is going to make a lot of people who jumped on the Wii bandwagon think twice when the Wii 2 comes around. Next time when Nintendo promises that there "won't be a game drought" how many of us are going to believe them? They said that about the Wii, and because the Wii was the market leader it seemed like this time that promise would be fulfilled. But it wasn't.

This generation is unique because its the only generation where the market leading console is also the one which has the least developer support.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on April 07, 2011, 10:09:08 AM
Now to get it back on track

More Fuel To The "Wii2 @ E3 Announcement" Rumors?
Ono: SSFIV3DS connects to a Video Game System. Can't say more till E3
Quote
Yoshinori Ono "confirms" that could be presented a new desktop system from Nintendo.

Thus, players could be facing one of the possible bombing that Nintendo would have prepared for the E3 in Los Angeles, the arrival of Wii 2 could be imminent.

All this information has come through the words of one of the people most is betting on Nintendo 3DS, Yoshinori Ono, Capcom and developer already has a review of Super Street Fighter IV on Nintendo 3DS.

It is well known for their support in the handheld, has confirmed that Super Street Fighter IV will have connectivity to a video game system, but can not confirm until three months, coinciding with the E3 in Los Angeles. They suggest two things very interesting in his words, the first that the games could be patched and updated to offer new content and the aforementioned Wii 2 could be presented at the Nintendo press conference.

Wii2 or connectivity with Wii? Some site trolling for hits or this may have some merit to it?
What do you guys think.

If grammar in an article counts towards its credibility, I would most definitely have to call that a rumor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on April 07, 2011, 10:59:06 AM
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2011, 12:29:12 PM
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Did the Wii live up to its full potential? Absolutely not!

I don't know.  Being the number one console was sure a whole lot more then I figured it could achieve.  ;D   But all of Nintendo's talk about motion control being the new standard sounds like a lot of meaningless PR speak now.  Regardless of their intentions motion control ended up being a shallow gimmick.
 
I can't imagine any reason for the 3DS to interact with the Wii.  Even if the Wii 2 isn't at E3 this year it sure as hell is coming soon.  For most of the 3DS's life it will co-exist with the Wii successor.
 
I still think a launch in 2011 is possible and is absolutely what they should aim for.  The standard console life is five years.  Of all consoles why go longer with the Wii, which was pretty much out-of-date from day one?  The Wii was pretty much a repackaged Gamecube.  It would have been a dumb strategy to plan for such a console to go longer than five years.
 
I'll also point out that the DS launch lineup was a joke and the 3DS launch lineup is pretty meh so it isn't like a lack of games would keep Nintendo from launching a new system this year.  Hell Skyward Sword will probably end up like Twilight Princess where it is moved to the next console.
 
At the very least the Wii 2 SHOULD come out this year.  It would be stupid not to.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2011, 01:21:08 PM
But all of Nintendo's talk about motion control being the new standard sounds like a lot of meaningless PR speak now.  Regardless of their intentions motion control ended up being a shallow gimmick.

I wouldn't say that. All three console manufacturers now offer a motion control solution, so it kinda is a new standard (though Kinect does it much differently than the others). Like it or not its hear to stay, because even if hardcore audiences hate it there are plenty of casual soccer moms out there for it to ever go away. Its also sad, but even though the Wii was the first motion system and was the only such system for several years, we didn't really see much being done with it aside from casual games. Well, now Sony is using it in hardcore games like Killzone 3 which is the sort of use of it we should have seen in the Wii. Instead, all we got was Carnival games crap.

At the very least the Wii 2 SHOULD come out this year.  It would be stupid not to.

I agree. E3 would be the perfect time to announce it, and then it could be released during the holiday season later in the year. That would be the perfect way to proceed.

But its absolutely important that the Wii's successor be more powerful than the competition, because not only will the Wii 2 be competing with the PS3/360, but you can bet that the successor to those systems aren't going to be far off either. So if Nintendo releases a system that is equal or less than the PS3/360 then where is that going to leave it a year or two later when the PS4 and X720 are out? Launching a system that is, say, 1.5x powerful as the PS3 would give the Wii 2 enough teeth to be competitive over the long haul. But if the Wii 2 is only *just* as powerful or less powerful than a PS3 then its going to be a serious problem when the PS4 comes out. And also lets face it, if its going to be less powerful than the PS3 then what the hell is even the point? So being as powerful as a PS3 is the bare minimum, but ideally it should be even more than that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 07, 2011, 02:31:34 PM
I hear there is a new My Little Pony cartoon that s supposed to be good and just started not so long ago too.

I actually saw an episode its not to bad. Better then the original which my son likes as well...  I want to see the new Transformers one.
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Post by: Ceric on April 07, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
Alright Ian got me:
Has anyone else notice that the 3DS has everything need to be another weird form of Wiimote?

I honestly don't believe that there is a role in the home for a pure gaming machine anymore.  The 360 and PS3 showed everyone that "Hey, I can do more than just be a game station."  To compete Nintendo will need to step up to the challenge and do it better.   Using both the Move and the Wiimote I can say that the Move when it works it works well but the Wiimote always works but not as fine.  That will be addressed in the next version.

The only truly compelling piece of tech that I might consider for a pure game machine is the Kinect system because it will be a long time to replicate it portably.  In casual usage terms my Wii is a flop.  Its like owning a Disco ball only really gets used when the party is in the house.  I've had my Wii longer but my PS3 is almost an extension of my TV and I really don't game on it at all.  Nintendo did great making in roads into the casual players but they didn't deliver on the updates to keep them.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2011, 03:34:06 PM
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I wouldn't say that. All three console manufacturers now offer a motion control solution, so it kinda is a new standard

I look at it more like a standard peripheral.  But it not a replacement for the old controller which what Nintendo was implying and more or less tried to do with making the CC an optional purchase.  It's kind of like how the mouse is standard for computers but never replaced the keyboard.  The Wii was like Nintendo making computer with just a mouse.
 
I agree with Chozo about the need to top the PS3.  I don't think we're going to see the next Playstation or Xbox any time soon but we will see it within five years.  The Wii 2 really has to play catch up and then guess what everyone else will do.  I expect that at some point the Wii 2 will be the least powerful hardware but as long as it's more like the PS2 where it was the least but still close enough to allow for multiplatform development.  It cannot be something that would be considerably behind.  It has to be significantly ahead now to be at that point then.
 
If they released something less than the PS3, it's over.  Nintendo's console division is strictly in the casual market then.  There is no point in a rinky dink upgrade.  It will be the same bullshit as before.
 
I think it would also be very important to include the CC as a standard that is released with every system.  I think the Wii quite clearly proved that the remote is not sufficient as a replacement.  Sony and MS will probably include motion control with their next system but they sure as **** won't exclude the "normal" controller.  It is clear that for most games the old standard is the best way to play.  Hell, Nintendo invented the old standard so they shouldn't be so ashamed of it.  Also this is no different then what they're doing with the 3DS and DS.  They didn't just have the touchscreen and call it a day.  They've kept the traditional control elements.  Even though the 3DS is not backwards compatible all the way to the Game Boy the controls are such that it could be.  With the DS line they complimented the old with the new.  With the Wii they ditched the old and that was a stupid mistake.
 
There are so many things that Nintendo needs to get right here and I'm certain they'll screw it up somehow.  It all seems so obvious but that is usually when Nintendo screws up.  They can put a man on the moon but can't get him to the store.  And the problem is that the Wii was so successful you wonder if Nintendo would learn from it.  Do they care about the crap third party support or how the Wii is seen as strictly a casual console (and casual gaming is threatened by cellphone gaming)?  It seems to me that Nintendo is not feeling any negative effects now and this is all more for preparing for the future.  I'm concerned that unless Nintendo is in trouble right this second, they won't notice.  They don't really pay attention to something that's a concern two years from now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2011, 04:10:29 PM
I think we should forgive Nintendo for releasing the Wii as a "rinky dink" successor to the GC because you have to keep in mind the dire straits that Nintendo was in circa 2004-2005 when the Wii was being designed. With their console in 3rd place and the threat of the PSP to their handheld market share they were in a desperate situation where they were pretty much living off the handheld market and that was their life support and the only thing keeping them from being forced into 3rd party like what happened to Sega and Atari.

The Wii saved them from that fate, so it seems like it was a necessary evil. Thanks to the Wii their dwindling market share did a 180 and in a very short time they were the market leader again for the first time since the early 90s. So when you take that dire situation they were in, I think they should be forgiven for releasing an underpowered, "gimmicky", casual system. Desperate times do call for desperate measures, after all.

But that was then, and right now at this present moment Nintendo is printing money and is no longer in the same dire straits they were in 6 years ago. So the same excuse no longer applies this time around. If we end up with a Wii 1.5 or even a Wii 2 it would be unforgivable at this point. Even though it may be called "Wii 2" it needs to be much more powerful than two Wiis duct taped together. Since the Wii itself is two GCs duct taped together, a much bigger leap is now required in order for Nintendo to catch up to where they should be. But like I said considering the sorry state they were in during the GC era, I think they deserve a break with the Wii. Sometimes you just need to stop for a breather to catch your breath before you can get back in the race at full throttle. The Wii was that break Nintendo desperately needed in order to catch its breath.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 07, 2011, 04:12:31 PM
If we end up with a shitty home console, I'll stick to Nintendo handhelds. At least they f*ck up a lot less in that department.
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Post by: Ceric on April 07, 2011, 04:16:41 PM
The WiiII needs be able to render Wall-E level graphics in real time with physics and interaction.  I kid. Sort of.  Still thinks being the center of the entertainment center is the place for a game console now.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 07, 2011, 04:18:43 PM
The WiiII needs be able to render Wall-E level graphics in real time with physics and interaction.  I kid. Sort of.  Still thinks being the center of the entertainment center is the place for a game console now.

No, it needs to display Avatar level graphics. :P
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2011, 04:29:54 PM
The Wii2 needs to be a PS3, Xbox360 & Wii duct taped together.
Not just power-wise, that also includes all features and control methods too.
No compromises due to the fact that it's already been done. Now it's time to do them better. And cheaper.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 07, 2011, 04:42:53 PM
The Wii2 needs to be a PS3, Xbox360 & Wii duct taped together.
Not just power-wise, that also includes all features and control methods too.
No compromises due to the fact that it's already been done. Now it's time to do them better. And cheaper.
...and with more Waggle!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 07, 2011, 06:17:03 PM
Is Sony still taking a loss on the PS3 at $300? Because if they are, you can bet Nintendo's next system won't be on par with it in terms of hardware. Nintendo likes to make a profit on hardware sales and still be within an affordable price range. They'd be smart to launch at $250 again, though they might try for $300 if they think they can get away with more like the 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 07, 2011, 06:28:58 PM
Is Sony still taking a loss on the PS3 at $300? Because if they are, you can bet Nintendo's next system won't be on par with it in terms of hardware. Nintendo likes to make a profit on hardware sales and still be within an affordable price range. They'd be smart to launch at $250 again, though they might try for $300 if they think they can get away with more like the 3DS.

No, Sony's been making a profit on the PS3 for roughly about a year now if I remember correctly.  The move to manufacturing the Slim saved them a lot of production costs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2011, 06:52:30 PM
Is Sony still taking a loss on the PS3 at $300? Because if they are, you can bet Nintendo's next system won't be on par with it in terms of hardware. Nintendo likes to make a profit on hardware sales and still be within an affordable price range. They'd be smart to launch at $250 again, though they might try for $300 if they think they can get away with more like the 3DS.

You ever heard of Moore's law? Technology gets more advanced over time, but even as it does so the price of it goes down. So every year you get better technology, but it actually gets cheaper too. The PS3 is 2006 technology, and while it was cutting edge at that time, its certainly no longer the case. It wouldn't be a major feat for Nintendo to create a console in 2011-2012 which is not only more powerful than the PS3, but also cheaper (or at least cheaper than the PS3 was at its launch anyway).

That said, I'm sure Nintendo could release a console at $299 which is perhaps twice as powerful as a PS3. Why the hell not? Moore's law makes it possible.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 07, 2011, 06:57:09 PM
Nvidia's cellphone and tablet chips are more powerful than the Wii's.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 07, 2011, 07:31:37 PM
I forsee the Wii 2 being priced at $299.99 and the 3DS, or its Liter version, will be reduced to $200 even by the end of 2012. Although the pricing for the 3DS has me a little worried about Nintendo pricing their next home console way too high. There is no excuse to have a home console above the three hundred dollar mark. This is why I have not bought either HD system yet because I want them to be cheaper.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 07, 2011, 07:45:54 PM
I think it pretty likely that the Wii 2 will cost more than the 3DS.  Not so much because of the Wii 2 but because it would make the 3DS just look too overpriced.  At the very least the Wii 2 will cost more than the 3DS will then, even if the 3DS is more now.  $300 is pretty reasonable because that's pretty much when the PS3 stopped being an overpriced joke and people started actually buying the damn thing.  I think that's clearly the threshold price.

Wasn't the Blu-Ray drive a big part of the PS3 manufacturing cost?  Nintendo is probably not going to use Blu-Ray, and probably doesn't really need to since the Xbox 360 gets along fine with DVDs, so they won't have that cost to worry about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 07, 2011, 08:07:01 PM
I think it pretty likely that the Wii 2 will cost more than the 3DS.  Not so much because of the Wii 2 but because it would make the 3DS just look too overpriced.  At the very least the Wii 2 will cost more than the 3DS will then, even if the 3DS is more now.  $300 is pretty reasonable because that's pretty much when the PS3 stopped being an overpriced joke and people started actually buying the damn thing.  I think that's clearly the threshold price.

Wasn't the Blu-Ray drive a big part of the PS3 manufacturing cost?  Nintendo is probably not going to use Blu-Ray, and probably doesn't really need to since the Xbox 360 gets along fine with DVDs, so they won't have that cost to worry about.

I do not think that Nintendo will be able to keep the 3DS at a $250 price point forever. I consider myself to be a hardcore gamer and I do not want to pay that much when two HD consoles cost rougly the same price. I am not saying the 3DS will be a failure, but it just wont be $250 forever.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2011, 10:38:18 PM
I think some of the biggest cost in manufacturing the PS3 was obviously the Bluray Drive and the Cell chip, but also I think it was the XDR RAM they were using.

Nintendo can find a much more efficient chip that is Power based with some cell built in for a cheaper price than what Sony has to charge to recoup Cell R&D, Manufacturing & Usage.

They can also find RAM that is just as good if not better for cheaper, like what they are using in the 3DS, and I'm sure that is likely their plan. Sell 3DS by the truck load and lower the manufacturing cost of their new Favorite RAM.

As as someone already mentioned, Bluray probably will not be the way they go, but I doubt they will use a standard DVD either. They will try to go with something heavily proprietary to stall the piracy for as long as possible and maybe incorporate some of their Holo tech if possible.

Nintendo could make a system capable of what the PS3 is capable of and much more for cheaper than what Sony is manufacturing a PS3 for today. If Nintendo was aiming for a $299 price point with tech they finalized earlier this year, I would expect atleast twice the performance of the PS360. I wouldn't expect it to graphically blow the PS360 out of the water or anything, but the game would be to leap frog current HD consoles just enough for long enough to be the lead console in multi-console dev and then force Sony & MS to leap so far over Nintendo's effort that that they will hopefully be too expensive to develop for and instead they get up ports from Wii2 instead for the first few years of their existence.
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Post by: Ceric on April 07, 2011, 11:33:49 PM
Honestly I will say this again.  I believe that he next system will be Flash based.  Nintendo didn't really like to move to optical media to begin with.  Making there own cart format again they can go to High speed ROM with a flash chip built in for saves and updates.  Plus just use more of cheaper larger physical size chips.

Mark my words if Nintendo comes out with a purelly gaming home console again it will be cart based.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 07, 2011, 11:48:18 PM
I am betting that the Wii 2 will look something like the 360 slim with a cartridge slot big enough for games about the size of a PS2 memory card. The only way I see them using whatever hologram technology they have been researching is if they use it in someform with this new cartridge system.
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Post by: Stogi on April 08, 2011, 02:09:38 AM
A cart based home system, no matter how great peoples' memory are, will seem futuristic. Smaller, more efficient...that is the Japanese way after all.

It's all about being frugal, cheap and capacitative. If Nintendo can nail those three points down with a flash card, then it is the likeliest of options.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 08, 2011, 07:30:27 AM
The PS3 was launched at $600 and even then it was selling for a loss, but that was only because Sony used cutting edge technology which was basically the best technology the year 2006 (or 2005) had to offer. Nintendo doesn't have to do that, though. If Nintendo made a console with the best most cutting edge technology of 2011 it would probably have to be $600 as well. Fortunately, Nintendo can step back and use technology from 2010 or 2009 and since that level of tech is a few years old, the manufacturing costs of it are much cheaper now. And keep in mind, even 2009 technology is still 3 years more advanced than what the PS3 is using. So the point is they don't need to use expensive cutting edge technology in order to have a system that can kick the competition's ass. They can use slightly older tech and that way they can have the console affordably priced and without selling it at a loss.
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Post by: Ceric on April 08, 2011, 08:57:04 AM
The PS3 was launched at $600 and even then it was selling for a loss, but that was only because Sony used cutting edge technology which was basically the best technology the year 2006 (or 2005) had to offer. Nintendo doesn't have to do that, though. If Nintendo made a console with the best most cutting edge technology of 2011 it would probably have to be $600 as well. Fortunately, Nintendo can step back and use technology from 2010 or 2009 and since that level of tech is a few years old, the manufacturing costs of it are much cheaper now. And keep in mind, even 2009 technology is still 3 years more advanced than what the PS3 is using. So the point is they don't need to use expensive cutting edge technology in order to have a system that can kick the competition's ass. They can use slightly older tech and that way they can have the console affordably priced and without selling it at a loss.

Agree and how you package it becomes really important.  It needs to look and feel like its years beyond todays tech and considering how inefficient computers are now, really need an architecture change, that isn't super super hard...
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 08, 2011, 06:11:16 PM
Nintendo is going to screw something up where 3rd parties won't like it and the Nextbox or PS4 will end up the lead console and the Wii2 will get the scraps rather than the cream of the crop.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
I think to ensure third party support they should be fairly conventional.  So no carts.  We are at a point where you could use carts again but if there was the slightest con in comparison to discs it will get rejected.  Despite what Nintendo thinks load times don't really matter.  No one cares if their game has load times.  If the carts cost more than a disc then it's toast.  No third party will want it.  It can't be "good enough" it has to either be better or at worst exactly equal.  If it's like 1 cent for a disc and 2 cents for a cart then you've just doubled the cost.  That is just not going to fly.

And the thing is I'm not stupid.  The reason Nintendo was so gung ho about carts with the N64 was not because of load times.  It was because they controlled the manufacturing of the cartridges and any third party had to go through them to get any.  Selling cartridges to third parties was an extra cash grab.  If they went with carts again the goal would be to get that arrangement going again.  And third parties have not forgotten the NES days.  Nintendo cannot even attempt to take the slightest advantage of them and get away with it.  When every third party worth a **** utterly ignores the market LEADER then you know the relationship is rocky.  The slightest hint that Nintendo plans to jerk them around at all is going to scare any of them away.

Nintendo has to bend over backwards if they intend at all to improve third party support.  No weird ****, no "good enough" excuses, no penny-pinching, no half-assed workarounds, and absolutely nothing to give Nintendo an advantage over everyone else (ie: secret microcode).  The slightest goofy bullshit and it's over before it starts.

And the ideal thing to do would be to work with the devs that matter.  Not just Retro and NST.  Talking with Capcom, Square Enix, Rockstar and most important of all Epic Games, holder of the widely used Unreal engine.  If it does not support the industry standard engines then it's done.  No one will make an exception for Nintendo and they will **** every thing up if they assume anyone will.
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Post by: broodwars on April 08, 2011, 08:19:57 PM
I think a big olive branch Nintendo could extend to 3rd parties is one that's easily overlooked: drop the proprietary storage device.  Have you guys ever considered the cost that your Wii discs (which are not typical DVDs) have for 3rd parties, and I don't mean just the final manufacture of the disc you buy in stores?  When developers test their Wii games, while these things can be tested digitally eventually they have to be tested on disc as well to ensure there are no new errors.  Every disc used for either development or production has to be acquired from Nintendo, and Nintendo are eventually the ones who manufacture the final product.  All that costs money that adds up quickly.  The same probably goes for the DS and 3DS.  Nintendo just loves their proprietary formats, because they can make money off every disc or cartridge used by developers, and then turn around and make money off the final product and licensing fees as well.  Sure, Sony might do that as well with Blu-Ray, but they would have a reasonable reason for that: Blu-Ray discs hold dramatically more data than DVDs.  I don't know if Microsoft does that as well with the 360's DVDs, but probably not based on personal experience.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 08, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
I think a big olive branch Nintendo could extend to 3rd parties is one that's easily overlooked: drop the proprietary storage device.  Have you guys ever considered the cost that your Wii discs (which are not typical DVDs) have for 3rd parties, and I don't mean just the final manufacture of the disc you buy in stores.  When developers test their Wii games, while these things can be tested digitally eventually they have to be tested on disc as well to ensure there are no new errors.  Every disc used for either development or production has to be acquired from Nintendo, and Nintendo are eventually the ones who manufacture the final product.  All that costs money that adds up quickly.  The same probably goes for the DS and 3DS.  Nintendo just loves their proprietary formats, because they can make money off every disc or cartridge used by developers, and then turn around and make money off the final product and licensing fees as well.  Sure, Sony might do that as well with Blu-Ray, but they would have a reasonable reason for that: Blu-Ray discs hold dramatically more data than Blu-Rays.  I don't know if Microsoft does that as well with the 360's DVDs, but probably not based on personal experience.

Let's assume that the Wii 2 is released and third parties develop for the system with DLC. If Nintendo wanted to appease third parties then all they have to do is not require that non-mature content has to be rated by the ESRB since Nintendo is a member of the ESA. They could simply check it themselves and save third parties a lot of money, which would be an even bigger feather in their cap.
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Post by: broodwars on April 08, 2011, 08:41:11 PM
Let's assume that the Wii 2 is released and third parties develop for the system with DLC. If Nintendo wanted to appease third parties then all they have to do is not require that non-mature content has to be rated by the ESRB since Nintendo is a member of the ESA. They could simply check it themselves and save third parties a lot of money, which would be an even bigger feather in their cap.

Unfortunately, you can't drop the ESRB rating process.  Stores like Walmart and whatnot won't carry games that are above a certain rating or unrated altogether.  No one can afford to lose those sales venues.

Now, Nintendo could make the submission process faster and easier.  Right now it's...well, let's just say that part of a game's development can be "interesting" for developers.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 08, 2011, 08:50:58 PM
@ Broodwars
 
"Unfortunately, you can't drop the ESRB rating process.  Stores like Walmart and whatnot won't carry games that are above a certain rating or unrated altogether.  No one can afford to lose those sales venues."
 
I should have been more explicit, but what I meant is DLC like the Lair of the Shadow Broker for Mass Effect 2 that would never be in a retail store. If that game was on Wii 2 then Bioware would still have to pay for the game to be rated if it were to be on Nintendo's console, but a Teen rated game like Red Steel 2 would not have to have its DLC rated by the ESRB and thus would make more money, which would incentivize even more development. By being a member of the ESA, Nintendo could vouch for the non-mature content via word of mouth by saying, "Hey, we have checked this DLC out and it is all good."
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 09, 2011, 06:13:02 AM
DLC isn't sold at Walmart, so a lack of ESRB rating would neither harm nor help it in that respect. I suspect if they could get away with it, many developers would try to evade the ESRB thing if possible. The system is certainly not without flaws. For example, I read that Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion was given an M rating even though by all rights it should have only been rated T. The reason it was rated M was because of some unofficial mod that made it possible for female characters to become naked, but this unofficial mod was only possible on the PC version of the game, so it didn't even apply to the 360 or PS3 version, but the retarded ESRB people forced those versions of the game to be rated M as well.

So you have an M rated game which has no nudity or profanity and basically no reason to justify having an M rating.
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Post by: Ceric on April 09, 2011, 08:29:06 AM
DLC isn't sold at Walmart, so a lack of ESRB rating would neither harm nor help it in that respect. I suspect if they could get away with it, many developers would try to evade the ESRB thing if possible. The system is certainly not without flaws. For example, I read that Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion was given an M rating even though by all rights it should have only been rated T. The reason it was rated M was because of some unofficial mod that made it possible for female characters to become naked, but this unofficial mod was only possible on the PC version of the game, so it didn't even apply to the 360 or PS3 version, but the retarded ESRB people forced those versions of the game to be rated M as well.

So you have an M rated game which has no nudity or profanity and basically no reason to justify having an M rating.
I wonder if the developer opted to have them reviewed as one game instead of doing each version separately to save on cost.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 09, 2011, 01:45:24 PM
It seems to me that the ESRB has a tendency to over-regulate games and give higher ratings than what is really necessary. The last thing they want to do is have parents and the family-friendly lobby angry at them, so they give the ratings a wide margin of error just to be "safe". They are far less concerned about the well being of the developer whose sales will be hurt by the consequences an M rating brings.
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Post by: Ceric on April 09, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
Consider the history of videogame ratings, and comics before that, can anyone blame them.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 09, 2011, 02:39:17 PM
If you're a regulator its safer (from your perspective) to over-regulate something than to under-regulate. People get much more pissed off at you if you under do something than if you over do it, even though over doing it can be just as destructive. It would be interesting to see exactly how much of an impact the ESRB really has on video game companies. We hear about studios shutting down left and right and other ones scaling back and laying people off. How much of that is the ESRB's fault?
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Post by: rad.i.kal on April 10, 2011, 08:43:42 PM
Wii 2 could be great. BUt what would wii 2 entail? I think it will be between 250 and 300 and hope it works with the 3ds better.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 10, 2011, 09:23:24 PM
$249.99 isn't what it used to be, thanks to inflation. Nintendo's traditional policy is to price their consoles no higher than that, but the value of money has dropped since 1996 when the N64 was released. That was 15 years ago. The further back in time you go the less stuff costs, like you used to be able to buy a bottle of coke for a nickel, but it wasn't so much that the coke was cheap, it was more that the nickel was worth a lot more back then.

So $249.99 in 2011 dollars isn't worth as much as $249.99 in 1996 dollars, or even in 2001 dollars or 2006 dollars. So its gradually getting to the point where it would become impossible for Nintendo to keep their consoles at that price while still having competitive hardware capability. It would be like Coca-Cola keeping the price of their product at a nickel. That might have worked back in the 50s or whenever it was, but it was a losing battle and it couldn't stay that way forever.
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Post by: Stogi on April 11, 2011, 08:55:38 PM
I can see Nintendo releasing the WiiD for $300 especially since the 3DS is $250. But Nintendo is going to have to provide a significant list of features to make people justify the added cost. Nintendo can get away with it for the 3DS, because of 3D, but the WiiD has to be more than a Wii with HD and built-in Motion Plus.
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Post by: Ceric on April 12, 2011, 08:24:18 AM
The inflation equivalent of $249.99 in 1996 would be $343.78 in 2010 (last year with inflation stats.)  So if Nintendo built a console with the same costs associeated with it as the N64 then it would be losing at least $100 per console.

I was crunching the numbers and there is a $199.99 pack on Amazon with Wii Motion Plus and the Component cords are 4.95 or so now.  So you be looking at a $95 Premium for new tech.  Though you are looking at $300 - $400 dollars of the new versions of the competitors.  Which makes the price not that unreasonable.

It would have to come in with better tech then the PS3 and XBox 360.  The more I think about it the more Audio tech starts to come to my mind.
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Post by: Nick DiMola on April 12, 2011, 08:40:37 AM
The GameCube and all Nintendo home consoles before it released at $199.99 - the Wii was the first to buck that trend by releasing at $249.99.

I think that Nintendo would be foolish not to release their next home console at $299.99. Pricing it at $249.99 might hurt perception of the system because their handheld is similarly priced. They'd need to drop the 3DS price ahead of releasing their next home console if they expect to price it at $249.99. I think $299.99 is a very reasonable price because it's still in the realm of affordability; however, anything greater will make it a tough sell regardless of what's in the package. I think the PS3 perfectly demonstrates that point, as does the Xbox 360 which really hit stride with the $299.99 Elite model.
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Post by: Stogi on April 12, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
I agree. 300 is the only price point that makes sense. That's really high for Nintendo, so if they want support, it better be more than a Wii HD.
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Post by: Ceric on April 12, 2011, 01:44:22 PM
I disagree that a price drop would change the preception of being similarly priced as a handheld on release.  It will have to be higher.  General News is very good at point out the price comparisons.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2011, 03:04:09 PM
If they are gonna keep 3DS priced @ $249.99 this holiday season, then they should make it the Gold Zelda 25th Anniversary edition with OoT3D packed in & ALTTP3D pre-loaded and then the normal unit (w/ just AR games) price dropped to $219.99 (although $199.99 I think is the magic price pioint for the 3DS).

Then they should be able to launch the Wii2HD @ $299.99 that is roughly on par with PS3 & X360 combined x2
That would mean 1080p @ 60fps without overtaxing the system, and that's with 90% of effects enabled simultaneously. 1+GB of RAM, 64GB of user storage and a game format that starts @ 12+GB per disc/cartridge.

That's not asking too much is it? Oh and a early 2012 release.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 12, 2011, 03:18:48 PM
the WiiD has to be more than a Wii with HD and built-in Motion Plus.

The current Wii SKUs already have built-in Motion Plus.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 12, 2011, 03:28:48 PM
The inflation equivalent of $249.99 in 1996 would be $343.78 in 2010 (last year with inflation stats.)

With that being the case, it may be better if the console were priced $349.99 because I would like to see it have the sort of performance leap that the N64 had over the SNES. If the N64 cost $249 at its launch and if that is the equivalent of $349 in today's money, then maybe the next console should be set at $349.

Its only $50 more than the $299 everyone seems to be suggesting it be priced at, but frankly I'd be willing to pay that if it means a substantial leap in performance. Keep in mind also that the price can and will go down from there as manufacturing costs go down, which they inevitably will. $349 sounds like a lot, but that's actually what the N64 cost (adjusted for inflation), so if the new console is priced at that level then its really no more expensive than the N64 was 15 years ago. You gotta factor in the inflation.

ETA: I wonder how much the $249 price of the 3DS compares to the $89.99 price of the Gameboy in 1989. 1989 was 22 years ago so that's quite a lot of time for inflation to do its work. I'm sure even after inflation the 3DS probably still costs more relative to the Gameboy, but definitely not by as much as most people think.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 12, 2011, 04:29:35 PM
With that being the case, it may be better if the console were priced $349.99 because I would like to see it have the sort of performance leap that the N64 had over the SNES. If the N64 cost $249 at its launch and if that is the equivalent of $349 in today's money, then maybe the next console should be set at $349.
The N64 cost $199.99 at launch.  Nintendo announced the launch price at $249.99 but dropped it to $199.99 a few days before the launch.
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Post by: Ceric on April 12, 2011, 04:33:26 PM
So we'll change the number to $273.66.  I seem to still remember it being $249.99 but that was 14 years ago.   Take in consideration you didn't even get a token game with it originally.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 12, 2011, 05:37:59 PM
So we'll change the number to $273.66.  I seem to still remember it being $249.99 but that was 14 years ago.   Take in consideration you didn't even get a token game with it originally.
It was the first Nintendo system that didn't come with a game, at least in the US.  So really, to actually play anything at the time, the price was really $259.98.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 12, 2011, 09:21:31 PM
So we'll change the number to $273.66.  I seem to still remember it being $249.99 but that was 14 years ago.   Take in consideration you didn't even get a token game with it originally.

I also remember it being $249.99, so either he's mistaken or we both are mistaken. I'm thinking the price probably did drop to $199 very quickly though, and that may be the cause of the confusion.

I remember the carts being ridiculously expensive. I remember some games at EBgames (now part of Gamestop) were priced as high as $79.99 and a few even $99.99 or higher. It was crazy...
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Post by: Nick DiMola on April 12, 2011, 10:33:44 PM
Quote from: Wikipedia
The N64 was released with two launch games, Super Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64, and a third in Japan, Saikyō Habu Shōgi. The N64's suggested retail price was US$199 at its launch and it was later marketed with the slogan "Get N, or get Out!". The N64 sold 32.93 million units worldwide. The console was released in at least eight variants with different colors and sizes. An assortment of limited edition controllers were sold or used as contest prizes during the N64's lifespan.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 12, 2011, 11:01:55 PM
Some stores, such as Funcoland, did charge $250 for the Nintendo 64, and also charged more than the standard MSRP of $60 (and later $50, and $40 for Player's Choice) for games. This may have had something to do with Nintendo's higher royalties, I don't know, but I don't recall most stores charging more for PlayStation stuff (though Funcoland had at least a $5 markup on everything). So those who recall it being $250 might have actually seen it for as much, but its MSRP was $199.99.

Also, I don't think the NES was released at $199.99 in North America. I believe it had two bundles, one with a bunch of pack-ins for something more than $200 and one basic set which was something less than $200.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2011, 01:27:32 AM
$150 Wii come May 15th!?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/12/nintendo-cutting-wii-price-to-150-on-may-15th/

It's a little past due on a price cut, but better late than never. Hope it happens with another color and still has the games packed in.

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Nintendo's miniature white monolith has sold like gangbusters for long enough that we're wary it'll ever get cheap, but a trusted source tells us a price cut is indeed headed our way -- and that the Nintendo Wii will cost just $150 starting May 15th. The timing would make some sense, given how Nintendo's profits have tanked for a while due to flagging hardware sales, and just last month Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime hinted that the Wii's price might be a potential variable to change that in an interview with Gamasutra. Still, we're not fully convinced that Nintendo would announce a price cut then, rather than, say, at the Electronics Entertainment Expo in June, and it's not like the company to let this sort of announcement leak out, but if you find a shiny new copy of Mario Kart Wii in a $150 console bundle this time next month, don't say we didn't warn you.

Now hopefully the 3DS follows suit this Xmas making room for a Wii2 @ $250 early 2012.
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Post by: Ceric on April 13, 2011, 09:24:59 AM
Wii2 can't cost $250 because that is what the 3DS launch was.  By Selling it at $250 Nintendo is saying "Hey, we think these are comparable."  You don't want your Console to be comparable to a handheld, even though it be easy enough to make a handheld that was now-days.

A $150 price drop would signify to me that we would be seeing the successor of the Wii within the next fiscal year for Nintendo.  They don't like Price drops with there whole Right Price philosophy.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2011, 09:38:48 AM
When I said follow suit, I meant a $50 price drop for the 3DS too, right after Xmas, leaving the $250 price tag unused.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 13, 2011, 09:44:04 AM
I would rather the console be priced $349 if that meant a more substantial boost in power of the system. If Nintendo has to cut corners and make the system weaker in order to get the price to $299 then I would rather they not do that. Sure, it will sell more early on at a $299 price tag, but if the hardware isn't very powerful then it isn't going to last over the long haul and its going to be just like the Wii all over again.

Its better if Nintendo makes the hardware as powerful as possible and price be damned. The price can come down later on, but once the hardware specs are set they are permanently set that way for the rest of the consoles life. So its important they be as high as possible. I'm not saying they should go overboard and end up with a $600 console like the PS3, but a minor incremental update isn't the answer either. It needs to be somewhere in between. I may be in the minority here, but I would personally be okay with a price as high as $399 provided that the components that made up the system actually cost that much, and also with the very important caveat that the price would eventually go down from there. The PS3 has proven that a console which launches at $600 can eventually turn itself around after a few years and price drops, so a system which launches at $400 should be able to pull it off as well. But it must actually be worth that price, which means it must be light years ahead of the Wii, and at least twice as powerful as the PS3/360.

I want to see the Wii's successor leave the competition in the dust. Just catching up to them isn't good enough, imho.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2011, 10:18:31 AM
The real problem is not with $299 or $250, the real problem is that Nintendo sold us a Wii @ $250 while making a ~$100 profit on the hardware from Day 1. That is how they became more Apple like in their approach and not just in the sleek white form factor, but the fact that they basically repacked the gamecube and sold it at a premium for record profits. It's why Iwata can't stop laughing, it's fucking hilarious.

If Nintendo can make the next system $250 and it actually cost ~$250, then we can have something that we want, which is hardware that is about 2x PS360 combined. MS was making X360's for around $150 or less for about 2 years now (before the slim) and I'm sure that is why they are seeing very decent profits this lat in the generation now.

I don't want a $349.99 piece of hardware in the store that only cost them to $250 to make, I want a $250 piece of hardware in the store that cost them ~$250 to make. They sell so much hardware and software that it would be hard to not justify selling the hardware at neat cost and make up the difference in the software, especially with how quickly they should be able to lower manufacturing cost on hardware.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2011, 11:56:44 AM
$150 Wii come May 15th!?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/12/nintendo-cutting-wii-price-to-150-on-may-15th/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/12/nintendo-cutting-wii-price-to-150-on-may-15th/)

It's a little past due on a price cut, but better late than never. Hope it happens with another color and still has the games packed in.

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Nintendo's miniature white monolith has sold like gangbusters for long enough that we're wary it'll ever get cheap, but a trusted source tells us a price cut is indeed headed our way -- and that the Nintendo Wii will cost just $150 starting May 15th. The timing would make some sense, given how Nintendo's profits have tanked for a while due to flagging hardware sales, and just last month Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime hinted that the Wii's price might be a potential variable to change that in an interview with Gamasutra. Still, we're not fully convinced that Nintendo would announce a price cut then, rather than, say, at the Electronics Entertainment Expo in June, and it's not like the company to let this sort of announcement leak out, but if you find a shiny new copy of Mario Kart Wii in a $150 console bundle this time next month, don't say we didn't warn you.

Now hopefully the 3DS follows suit this Xmas making room for a Wii2 @ $250 early 2012.

Kmarts inventory price list (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8365853&postcount=1780)
(http://rookery9.aviary.com.s3.amazonaws.com/7609500/7609948_b4a5_625x625.jpg)

And in unrelated news, it looks like the Zune is getting marked down to $9.99 from $249.99
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Post by: Ceric on April 13, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
You and I both know that is not how Nintendo works.  They have always done the Apple Style of Computer Hardware Sales.  Reading the tear-down information its very concievable that Nintendo made a Maximum of $147 off my purchase of the 3DS.  Thats a lot I'm sure its lower once R&D and like are factor in but still thats the potential.

Though they are non-arguably the leader in Handhelds, I would not be surprised to find if I looked thats what they have been making on the DS Hardware since after the DSLite.  While they are a leader of sort in the console space they know that they can't have that large of a premium on the next system.  Wonder if I did some digging if I could get the tear-down vs Street of the older consoles.  Needless to say I do not believe Nintendo will accept anything less then making at least $50 per Console Initially.  I lean more towards $100 myself because we have already seen that precedence.

 
I would not hesitate to buy a $9.99 Zune.  Now It is K-Mart were talking about...
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 13, 2011, 12:22:56 PM
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The real problem is not with $299 or $250, the real problem is that Nintendo sold us a Wii @ $250 while making a ~$100 profit on the hardware from Day 1. That is how they became more Apple like in their approach and not just in the sleek white form factor, but the fact that they basically repacked the gamecube and sold it at a premium for record profits. It's why Iwata can't stop laughing, it's fucking hilarious.

Yeah, to me that was just outright fucking us.  The Wii is a con and this pretty much turned me from Nintendo fan to merely a person who owns a Nintendo system.  I don't have a problem with Nintendo making a profit on their hardware but with the Wii they compromised the product itself to do so.  Nintendo gets $100 markup and we get crappy third party support and a console that is quickly branded as the destination for cheap shovelware and PS2/PSP ports.
 
Nintendo can make a profit off of the Wii 2 as long as they don't gimp the system as a result.  There is a balance they have to reach involving a profit margin they're happy with, a price the public is willing to pay, and hardware that can last against any PS360 successors.  Nintendo is too greedy and will certainly **** this balance up.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 13, 2011, 05:33:18 PM
Considering Nintendo cheaped out on the Wii hardware far more than they needed to in order to make a profit, I have my doubts the next system will be any different. I guess you never know, but the most I'm expecting is something similar in terms of end result as the XBox 360 and PS3.

As far as its price in comparison with the 3DS, I don't think that matters. They're practically different markets. The DSi XL is almost as much as the Wii and I doubt that stopped anyone who wanted one from getting one. Same with the PSP and any other handheld device that has been a similar price to the Wii over the years.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 13, 2011, 05:59:48 PM
Does the cost of manufacturing the Wii factor in the bundled Wiimote, Nunchuck, game, and other components? It isn't just the console itself, after all. I know they got a huge markup, but is it really as high as $100 per unit when all things are taken into account?

In any case, the huge profit they made this generation gives Nintendo a huge war chest to go into the next generation with. They can (and probably should) now consider doing what Sony and MS has always done and sell the console for a loss in order to gain market share.  They couldn't do that before because they were struggling, but that's no longer the case as of now.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 13, 2011, 06:16:37 PM
The Wiimote and Nunchuk have huge markups too so I'm sure everything was included with the $100 profit per unit estimate.

Nintendo has never sold any single one of its systems, home and handheld, at a loss, nor will they ever. Maybe that's why they've not only been able to survive all this time, but have always been a profitable company even during the dark days of the GameCube.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 13, 2011, 07:03:38 PM
I'm sure most of us would like to see Nintendo do more than just survive, though. They've become the market leader again, and that's great, but wouldn't it be even better if they had powerful hardware and decent 3rd party support as well? In order for that to happen they have to take risks. Sure, if they go with conservative hardware which they sell for a profit I'm sure they will continue to survive, but they will never have the same level of 3rd party support as the competition unless they take some risks and produce hardware which is competitive and capable of handling the things that developers want to create.

If they don't, then we will continue to see all these awesome games coming to 360/PS3/PC and the Nintendo console getting shat on with casual shovelware. That sort of surviving isn't living; its just existing. As a Nintendo fan, I want Nintendo to do more than just exist.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
I'm in no way saying that Nintendo should take a loss on any hardware sold, just deliver a hardware that is more bang for the same buck. They don't have to be cutting to the point of bleeding edge, but they sure as hell shouldn't basically repackage the Wii again and then try to sell it to me again at a premium.

Their next system has to come in under $299.99 and be more powerful than the PS360 combined (which should be hard to do) x2 (also shouldn't be that hard) with FULL backwards compatibility with Wii software (GC is not important and can be handled through VC). It has to be powerful enough to be the lead dev system for the next 2-3 years against the PS360 and then still have enough graphical Wow Factor to not be outclassed by the PS4 & X1080 (even though we're coming to a point of diminishing returns) by a long shot.

Also I may have exaggerated a little on the Day 1 ~$100 profit margins, but the point still stands. Nintendo was making a lot of money on repackaged hardware and tried to justify ~$30-$50 of it with WiiSports which would normally be considered a $10 game at retail. Yeah the Wiimote supposedly was a large part of the cost (R&D & Hardware), but I'm sure a breakdown will still show significant profit margins on the Wii @ $249.99, $199.99 and soon to be $149.99 too.
The actual Wii Console can't cost more than about $70 to manufacture at this point(that includes the generous 512MB of flash or whatever it is), and with the amount of Wiimotes sold around the world, that thing can't cost more than $20 itself either.
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Post by: Adrock on April 13, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
Actual value vs. Perceived value. Nintendo could have sold their hardware for less. However, while Nintendo is undoubtedly pushing profit margins, they also don't want their hardware to appear dated when put next to the competition. Nintendo may offer a completely different experience than Apple, but both companies are still competing for consumer dollars. If there's only $300 to spend, Nintendo obviously wants that spent on 3DS. It's not as simple as saying, "Oh, cheaper is more appealing." It is but it isn't. If Nintendo sells for significantly less, 3DS looks like lesser hardware even if it isn't and could lose a sale due to the perception of looking old or dated. Not all consumers are informed. In fact, most are not.

When it comes to consoles, Nintendo can definitely sell for $300, maybe even $350. Not saying I'd like it, but Nintendo could get away with it. With the Wii, Nintendo has learned that people will pay almost any amount of money if something is desirable enough. Depending on how confident they are on the innovative features of their next console, Nintendo could innovate, profit, and compete power-wise for a fairly reasonable price.

I'm sticking to my guns. I believe the successor to the Wii is going to be a beast. While I think it should launch in 2011, it'll launch in 2012, give or take a year before Sony/MS launch their consoles, and still be comparable in power. I'm iffy on backwards compatibility. There's a good chance Nintendo could ditch optical media. They've never liked discs, only begrudgingly employing them due to the lack of a viable alternative at the time. And Nintendo doesn't give a shizzle about our backcatalog. Backwards compatibility is not a priority for them and they'll do away with it if they can/have to and they know most of us would rebuy those games anyway. Admit it. I can. I paid $50 for each Metroid Prime game and still bought Trilogy. Even though I got it on sale, I still bought it. Why? Because. How many of us are going to buy Ocarina of Time again? They can toss in Master Quest and call it a deal, but I have that too...
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Post by: Stogi on April 13, 2011, 08:48:09 PM
Graphics wise, I don't think Nintendo's next system will be that far above what is here now. They said time and time again that we've come to a point where, in terms of work, better graphics really isn't worth it.

That's why I think they will focus on Ram and Processor speed so they can fill up these graphical worlds with a bunch of things, making them feel more alive.
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Post by: Adrock on April 13, 2011, 09:20:45 PM
If I just built a console with last generation specs as a cost cutting measure because I spent a fortune on researching and developing a motion controller I wasn't even sure was going to be a hit, I'd continue regurgitating that line about specs not mattering too. Nintendo did the exact opposite with 3DS. If specs and graphics didn't matter, Nintendo never would have made what is essentially a portable Wii.
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Post by: Stogi on April 13, 2011, 09:32:29 PM
I think Nintendo gave the 3DS a graphically kick in the ass because they needed to, not because they wanted to. They knew they couldn't get away with a PSP with 3D. That and 3D itself needs better hardware just to run.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 09:49:22 AM
I'm iffy on backwards compatibility. There's a good chance Nintendo could ditch optical media. They've never liked discs, only begrudgingly employing them due to the lack of a viable alternative at the time. And Nintendo doesn't give a shizzle about our backcatalog. Backwards compatibility is not a priority for them and they'll do away with it if they can/have to and they know most of us would rebuy those games anyway. Admit it. I can. I paid $50 for each Metroid Prime game and still bought Trilogy. Even though I got it on sale, I still bought it. Why? Because. How many of us are going to buy Ocarina of Time again? They can toss in Master Quest and call it a deal, but I have that too...

They have DQX coming up, and if Wii2 is coming out early next year (which i think is very possible), then there is a good chance that DQX might launch after it's release. Having BC would go a long ways early on for perceived & actual value of the Wii2 especially if it upscales Wii content or DQX pulls a TP with an upgraded dual release.
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Post by: Ceric on April 14, 2011, 10:39:11 AM
Nintendo is also not shy about having console expansions.  Honesly could see Wii2 being Flash based and having an extension that either plugged into the cart slot or the Wii two plugged in to provide backwards compatibility.  Think about how much smaller the Wii could be without the GCN ports and memory slots.  If you were going to BC then those would need to be included because a lot of Wii games use the GCN ports as well, honestly the newest classic controller should have been a wavebird...

Thats why if I was designing Wii2 to be cart based I definitely go the Exo-Skeleton root for BC.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 10:59:45 AM
I'm sure Nintendo could work out an actual GC Classic controller to solve that issue (maybe even a version that was wireless with it's own IR camera & accelerators too). I'm also sure their lazy programmers could also figure out how to make the GC & N64 emulators read the flash drive instead of mem card ports (same with Ram Expansion for N64).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 14, 2011, 11:08:10 AM
A cart based system would have a lot of advantages. Load times aren't really a major concern these days like they were in the time of the PS1 and Saturn, but optical drives still have many disadvantages. They have moving parts which means they will wear out eventually which means a cart based system will be more reliable and also have less power consumption. The drives also take up a great deal of space which makes the consoles bigger. Sure, the flash media costs more, but when you take into account the many advantages, isn't it worth it?
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Post by: Ceric on April 14, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
A cart based system would have a lot of advantages. Load times aren't really a major concern these days like they were in the time of the PS1 and Saturn, but optical drives still have many disadvantages. They have moving parts which means they will wear out eventually which means a cart based system will be more reliable and also have less power consumption. The drives also take up a great deal of space which makes the consoles bigger. Sure, the flash media costs more, but when you take into account the many advantages, isn't it worth it?

Not to mention that if done right the cart itself could become built in enhancements down the road ala NES/SNES.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 14, 2011, 01:44:06 PM
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I'm sure most of us would like to see Nintendo do more than just survive, though. They've become the market leader again, and that's great, but wouldn't it be even better if they had powerful hardware and decent 3rd party support as well?

I agree.  I never really cared if Nintendo was the market leader.  I'm not a stockholder and this isn't a contest so who cares?  I wanted Nintendo to be the market leader because I felt that was the step to having NES/SNES level third party support again.  Somehow Nintendo found a way to be the market leader without the Nintendo userbase benefiting from it in any way.  To me the Xbox 360 won this gen, not because they sold the most, but because like the Atari, NES, SNES, PS1 and PS2 before it, it had the best third party support and thus the best variety of any of the consoles for its gen.
 
I want Nintendo to have the best third party support, be the best game developer in the world, and make enough of a living doing it that they can continue to make great games and hardware.  I want Nintendo as Nintendo.  To me the Wii Nintendo is some weird pod-person Nintendo that lacks many of the things that made me a fan in the first place.  Artistically they're irrelevent.  They make casual titles and safe sequels to the same old franchises on last gen hardware and they don't care that their console's third party support is shovelware.  They come across as only caring about money.  Any way they try to move videogaming forward is entirely in how to sell to more people.  But Nintendo used to be cutting edge from a creative and artistic game design perspective.  They used to move videogame design forward.  They would make a game and the rest of the industry would struggle to keep up.  This gen their great innovation is that they found a control gimmick with tremendous casual appeal and that was copied.  But they didn't improve videogames from a creative perspective.  Nintendo has never wanted to be niche but this gen they became safe commercial mainstream product.
 
If this is the Nintendo to continue to exist they might as well have died.  I would actually have prefered to see Nintendo die out in a blaze of glory then to have watched them find tremendous financial success as sell outs preying on casuals who don't know better.  At least if they had died I could have fond memories of who they were.
 
So for the Wii 2 I want to see Nintendo succeed but as a groundbreaking company that moves videogames forward from a creative perspective.  I want to see the Nintendo that shook things up with titles like Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Metroid and Ocarina of Time.  I want to see the guys who dictate where videogames go and when everyone else thinks they've got it figured out, they leapfrog the whole industry with their next sequel.  I want the Nintendo that consistently strives to make the BEST games.  Not the conventional safe best-selling games but the BEST games.  No holding back for casual appeal, no cookie cutter sequels, no half-baked gimmicky controls, and no gimped hardware.
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Post by: Ceric on April 14, 2011, 01:49:29 PM
I agree with Ian for the most part.  I also think Microsoft really got there act together with the 360.  It became the gamer system.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 14, 2011, 02:41:28 PM
I'm sure its no coincidence that this new Nintendo that Ian is referring to came about around the same time that Yamauchi retired and Iwata and Reggie stepped out of the woodwork. Unfortunately, since this new Nintendo leadership is still there and likely to remain there for the foreseeable future this new casual direction they've been steering the company in is likely to continue.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
You are talking as if Nintendo didn't make a single good/great game this generation that wasn't casual focused.
Nintendo's only major mis-step this gen was assuming 3rd Parties would back them and then actually leaving them the room necessary for their support only to never actually receive it.

Everything else you said is the usual bitching and whining we expect from you, but you gotta remember that even the funniest comedian alive isn't gonna be funny every single time they open their mouth. You can't expect every piece of software out of Nintendo to specifically cater to you and your never satisfiable needs nor can you expect every piece of software out of Nintendo to be a masterpiece that will raise the bar and stand the test of time.

You also have to realize that a big reason a lot of 3rd parties don't put forth the effort on Nintendo consoles it the fact that they have to compete with Nintendo Software. You want them to be the best, done. You want the 3rd parties to copy their best.... but then we don't buy it because we have the superior Nintendo version, so they do it on other hardware where they don't have to compete with "The Best" that has already done it. So Nintendo tones it down a little bit and focuses on some more casual titles and guess what those same 3rd parties do.... they copy the casual stuff leaving all the core focused titles to other hardware. Nintendo is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Not really sure what you expect them to do when they aren't in control of how the 3rd Parties show their support.

My only solution is that Nintendo invest in more devs that produce more mature content and then release these games under a new branding. Like a Disney->Touchstone or a McDonalds->Chipotle like situation.
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Post by: Ceric on April 14, 2011, 02:57:04 PM
I've never heard of Chipotle.  Didn't know McDonald had another brand.  I knew about Disney->Touchstone.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 14, 2011, 03:00:16 PM
The platformer renaissance Nintendo has produced on the Wii (Galaxy, Galaxy 2, DKCR, NSMBWii, Wario Land, Kirby) more than makes up for anything else they've done this generation.


EAD Tokyo has been such a smashing success that I can't believe Nintendo hasn't tried building a new studio from scratch again.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 14, 2011, 03:15:41 PM
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You are talking as if Nintendo didn't make a single good/great game this generation that wasn't casual focused.

They have made some great games this gen but they're all very conventional sequels.  For the most part they were all safe sure-thing hits.  Something like NSMB Wii is an awesome game but it is pretty much 2D Mario by the numbers.  It's a great game but not really a creative one.  And if Mario follows that direction then we're all going to get bored because it does nothing new.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 03:36:20 PM
NSMB Wii, Super Mario Galaxy, SMG 2, Punchout, Metroid Prime 3, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Excite Truck/Bots, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Zangeki no Reginleiv, etc. etc.

Some may be sequels, some may be inspired by past installments in the same genre, but all are quality titles from I've heard. You can keep the blinders on if you want and continue to only see what will support your limited view, but I'm sure there were more than a few new games that they've done this gen that don't fit into your "safe sure thing hits" category.
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 14, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Nintendo is going far more traditional with the Wii than any previous system but the third parties are brain dead. They still follow the trends of the launch era while Nintendo is raking in the big money with 2D platformers. Stupid third parties aren't even trying to get in on that pie, they're still fighting the battle that Wii Sports won half a decade ago. The third parties are giving Nintendo the casual name these days because what Nintendo is doing is no different from what they were doing on the SNES.

There's an "inside source" claiming that Nintendo is going for the hardcore with the next system, I hope for them that that's not their only focus. There's a reason the Wii massively outperformed the Gamecube in the market.
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Post by: leahsdad on April 14, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
You know, I remember a little game...what was that called?  Oh, yeah, Wind Waker, and when that introduced cell-shaded graphics, the most minor of departures, there was a sh*t storm.  Seriously. 


I think in a way, we want safe sequels.  We don't want change.  Or rather, Nintendo did change (motion, casual) and lots of people didn't like it. I think those people just wanted a Gamecube 2 instead of a Wii.  If that had happened, oh boy....there would literally not be a Nintendo anymore. 


If anything, I'm an older gamer (32).  I'm married, have 2 kids, and my first was born the year the Wii came out.  I think if not for the Wii, I would not be gaming anymore.  I wouldn't want to play PS3 or 360 with my daughter or my wife.  And I don't play online, because you need a whole lot of free time to really enjoy online play, which I don't have.  And I tend to like the games I grew up with, which is why I love the 2D platformers.  And I don't have the patience to sit through 30 minutes of tutorial missions in order to start having fun with a game, because chances are, I only have 30 minutes to game on a particular night anyway.


Oh, and I would never have been able to justify spending $300 on a console that only I would play.  But $200 on something for the family? 


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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 05:02:59 PM
So validations on rumors we've been hearing for the past month or 2 have come from Game informer (as reported by NWR) as to Wii2 being announced at E3 2011 for a 2012 release.

As I and many others have said before it will be 1080p (Iwata did say it will have HD rez) and be significantly more powerful than the PS360. We all know that if Nintendo is gonna support 1080p resolutions, they are gonna optimize it support a smooth 60fps framerate while using all the common & expected effects. That automatically means that it will be several times more powerful than the PS360 just going off that assumption.

Quote from: IGN
According to multiple reports today, Nintendo will reveal a new console at E3 this coming June.

Game Informer first reported that the console is capable of running games at "HD resolutions." Our sources have said the the console is significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, and that Nintendo's intent is to recapture the hardcore market. Another source said it is capable of 1080p resolutions.

Nintendo is reportedly showing the console to publishers to garner interest for a late 2012 launch.

Additional sources tell IGN that Nintendo will release a pre-announcement this month with a full reveal expected at E3 and that the console will be backwards compatible with current Wii software.

It's even being rumored to have FULL BC with the Wii, because it would be STUPID not to. How do you follow up your biggest console success in this day and age and not have some way of easing in all the customers of the past 5 years, especially the massive casual market that now all own HD TV's? It's easy to emulate the Wii at the very least on competent hardware, so a system several times more powerful than PS360 shouldn't really have a problem with that.

So this sounds exactly like what I was hoping for with my "predictions" and fixing what some others have been complaining about for years. Hopefully 3rd Parties don't leave Nintendo holding the bag like they did for the Wii and the 3DS launch.
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Post by: Stogi on April 14, 2011, 05:10:04 PM
Well if it does have full Wii software support, that means it's going to have a disc drive and thus be a disc based system.

A shame. I was really hoping for cards this time.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 14, 2011, 05:35:04 PM
It will play Wii games then it must also play Gamecube, right? Ihope the Wii Shop gets a massive over haul and perhaps even Dreamcast support. If it plays Gamecube games then it must have the ports for that system, or Nintendo might elect to use controller emulation via a USB port or through the new Wiimote itself.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 05:56:33 PM
I'm sure controller emu would be the way to go, and then they would also sell a GC CC on the side for all those games that used the GC controller and the regular CCPro just doesn't cut it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 14, 2011, 05:59:20 PM
I'm sure controller emu would be the way to go, and then they would also sell a GC CC on the side for all those games that used the GC controller and the regular CCPro just doesn't cut it.

Why not go with my USB adapter idea, which I will not mention any further out of respect for the topic of this forum.
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Post by: Stogi on April 14, 2011, 06:02:02 PM
I see them releasing a bluetooth CC that recharges with a usb cable or nothing at all.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 14, 2011, 06:20:06 PM
As far as the controller goes, I think the best way to go is to have a conventional controller which can break apart into a wiimote/chuck type deal for motion gaming, but then easily snap back together for a conventional controller experience. This way you get the best of both worlds in a single controller, instead of having to complicate things with one controller for motion and another for regular gaming.

Dual Analog sticks and a couple more buttons are essential. The problem with the wiimote and chuck was there was only one analog and not enough other buttons. So we need one more stick and probably 2-4 buttons added on.
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Post by: Stogi on April 14, 2011, 06:40:44 PM
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As far as the controller goes, I think the best way to go is to have a conventional controller which can break apart into a wiimote/chuck type deal for motion gaming, but then easily snap back together for a conventional controller experience. This way you get the best of both worlds in a single controller, instead of having to complicate things with one controller for motion and another for regular gaming.

LOL at this idea. I came up with it back when I wasn't called Unagi, or Stogi, or Dante 'Blazin The Amazin', but when I was Don'tHate742; i.e. a long ass time ago. I even drew a picture and it was posted on IGN.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 14, 2011, 07:08:53 PM
Its a great idea. The only other controller idea I can think of remotely as good is if they did something like the Power Glove from the NES, but you know have it work to the point where you can use each finger in the glove as a form of input so that you could design games where you could grab objects in the game world with your character and then use them. Like in Zelda you could grab the Master Sword with the power glove, and then wield it.

Imagine wearing two power gloves and something similar for your feet as well. Then you'd have something like Kinect, but much better.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 07:15:44 PM
I don't know about wearing something on your feet, but atleast you would have some feedback by wearing the gloves. some "Haptic" feedback through rumble (and other motors/levers) would work wonders for all those Kinect type games.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 14, 2011, 07:20:56 PM
Nintendo could take it a step further and in addition to dual power gloves they could have some sort of headgear which provides the display, so you are taking the TV out of the equation. It would be an HD 3D display and you'd be immersed in the game and you'd interact with the world with your dual power gloves. It would be virtual reality.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 07:25:14 PM
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Post by: Stogi on April 14, 2011, 07:27:13 PM
Nintendo could take it a step further and in addition to dual power gloves they could have some sort of headgear which provides the display, so you are taking the TV out of the equation. It would be an HD 3D display and you'd be immersed in the game and you'd interact with the world with your dual power gloves. It would be virtual reality.

Ok Now your just fuckin' with us.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
I wanna bring this post back up since i don't remember NWR ever reporting on this:

Wii 2 @ E3 2011? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg665437#msg665437)
More Fuel To The "Wii2 @ E3 Announcement" Rumors?
Ono: SSFIV3DS connects to a Video Game System. Can't say more till E3
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Yoshinori Ono "confirms" that could be presented a new desktop system from Nintendo.

Thus, players could be facing one of the possible bombing that Nintendo would have prepared for the E3 in Los Angeles, the arrival of Wii 2 could be imminent.

All this information has come through the words of one of the people most is betting on Nintendo 3DS, Yoshinori Ono, Capcom and developer already has a review of Super Street Fighter IV on Nintendo 3DS.

It is well known for their support in the handheld, has confirmed that Super Street Fighter IV will have connectivity to a video game system, but can not confirm until three months, coinciding with the E3 in Los Angeles. They suggest two things very interesting in his words, the first that the games could be patched and updated to offer new content and the aforementioned Wii 2 could be presented at the Nintendo press conference.

Wii2 or connectivity with Wii? Some site trolling for hits or this may have some merit to it?
What do you guys think.

I hope there is some real good integration of 3DS to Wii2 connectivity. Just like with the VB before, Nintendo dabbled in 3D and now we have the 3DS, they have also dabbled with connectivity (FFCC - GBA) so it's time for that idea to mature into something that we can actually use too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 14, 2011, 07:53:59 PM
For controllers I think Nintendo should just have two controllers - the CC Pro and the remote/nunchuk combo.  They can just include all of them with the system itself.  With the Wii we already had a situation where each game has icons on the box indicating what controller it supports.  Nintendo also sold the remote and nunchuk seperately.  Oh and then they also later introduced Motion+ to complicate things further.  For all the talk Nintendo made about casuals being "intimidated" by the traditional controller they had no problem offering four seperately sold controller "pieces" and that isn't including the more obscure stuff like the wheel and balance board.

The Wii pretty much had multiple controllers anyway so the Wii 2 should just embrace it fully.  Hell, the Atari had paddle controllers and joysticks and that caused no issues.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 07:59:08 PM
If they also include a HDD, they can include a patch for all games referencing GC controllers and replace the graphic with a CCpro+

simple solutions(?) for simple problems.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 14, 2011, 08:17:12 PM
If they also include a HDD, they can include a patch for all games referencing GC controllers and replace the graphic with a CCpro+

simple solutions(?) for simple problems.

BnM you're thinking complicated.  Just emulate the GCN port and have it map the CCpro+ according.  Coding and testing once support everything this could be done in lou of GCN ports except Unclebob's accessory connection would be lonely.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 14, 2011, 08:28:06 PM
I don't like the CCpro and wish it would die. Its like a ripoff of the Playstation controller, which is ironic and sad because the Playstation controller itself is a ripoff of many Nintendo innovations. So the CCpro is not only a ripoff; its a ripoff of a ripoff.

If anything, just bring back the Gamecube controller with a few improvements/tweaks and go with that. It sucks that the Gamecube flopped, because I think that's why Nintendo seems to want to distance itself from the GC controller because they associate it with that failure, but its not fair because the GC controller is probably the best traditional controller design of all time and it wasn't the reason the GC flopped. So Nintendo took the controller design of the much more popular PS2 and copied that when they made the CCpro. The PS2 may have been a popular console, but its controller was inferior to that of the GC and it pisses me off that Nintendo chose to copy it instead of using the better design which they already had.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 14, 2011, 08:32:40 PM
It's come up in the staff email thread that the current rumor on NeoGAF (which obviously must be accurate) is that the controller has a screen on it.

In addition to being reminiscent of the Dreamcast, which is always a plus in my book, that strongly implies a return to a more traditional controller design. Putting a screen on the current Wiimote setup would require significant changes and be pretty damn awkward.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2011, 08:37:37 PM
If they also include a HDD, they can include a patch for all games referencing GC controllers and replace the graphic with a CCpro+

simple solutions(?) for simple problems.

BnM you're thinking complicated.  Just emulate the GCN port and have it map the CCpro+ according.  Coding and testing once support everything this could be done in lou of GCN ports except Unclebob's accessory connection would be lonely.

Actually you're over complicating my thought. I was merely talking about the picture of the controller the game that they would use to show what button does what and where it is on the controller. You know the one in the controller setup screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 14, 2011, 08:43:54 PM
It's come up in the staff email thread that the current rumor on NeoGAF (which obviously must be accurate) is that the controller has a screen on it.

In addition to being reminiscent of the Dreamcast, which is always a plus in my book, that strongly implies a return to a more traditional controller design. Putting a screen on the current Wiimote setup would require significant changes and be pretty damn awkward.

Maybe that rumor is derived from the 3DS connectivity? The 3DS certainly would make a decent (albeit expensive) controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 14, 2011, 08:50:44 PM
If anything, just bring back the Gamecube controller with a few improvements/tweaks and go with that. It sucks that the Gamecube flopped, because I think that's why Nintendo seems to want to distance itself from the GC controller because they associate it with that failure, but its not fair because the GC controller is probably the best traditional controller design of all time and it wasn't the reason the GC flopped. So Nintendo took the controller design of the much more popular PS2 and copied that when they made the CCpro. The PS2 may have been a popular console, but its controller was inferior to that of the GC and it pisses me off that Nintendo chose to copy it instead of using the better design which they already had.

The GameCube controller, as comfortable as it was to hold, was hardly the "best traditional controller design".  The size and placement of the buttons was less than desirable, making it difficult for 3rd parties to develop multiplatform titles that use a standard control layout.  The Pro, on the other hand, has buttons all uniformly sized (except for the Triggers, which are nice and big and easy to use) and placed for easy access.  The twin sticks are on the same elevation, and the sticks have a good feel to them (as opposed to the GameCube's C-Stick, which didn't have the same amount of "give" to it that the left analog stick did).  Sure, it's heavily based on the Dualshock, but the Dualshock and its iterations are excellent controller designs that function favorably with a wide variety of gaming genres.  There's no sense in reinventing the wheel and no shame in copying the current standard when the current standard works just fine.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 14, 2011, 08:59:25 PM
I don't like the Playstation controller standard personally.  I was really hoping the PS3 controller was going to be the Batarang concept. (Even though I did make a comic making fun of it.)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 14, 2011, 09:00:44 PM
I don't like the Playstation controller standard personally.  I was really hoping the PS3 controller was going to be the Batarang concept. (Even though I did make a comic making fun of it.)

Eh, it was a cute idea, but there was nothing ergonomic about that boomerang design, and 3rd parties would have had difficulty making their games play well on it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 14, 2011, 09:03:24 PM
I would be fine with sticking with the basic design of the CCPro if they swapped the position of the D-Pad and left analog stick. It made sense to put the focus on the d-pad when it was mainly designed for playing old games, but if it's going to be intended for use in current games the analog stick needs to be there. Sony refusing to modernize the controller in that way is why I only play games on PS3 when I have no other choice.



Eh, it was a cute idea, but there was nothing ergonomic about that boomerang design


Sony has proven that they don't care about ergonomics by using the same very un-ergonomic controller design three generations in a row.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on April 14, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
Here's a rumor: They're going to fix every mistake that led to over 80 million Wii sales.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 14, 2011, 11:31:58 PM
I don't like the Playstation controller standard personally.  I was really hoping the PS3 controller was going to be the Batarang concept. (Even though I did make a comic making fun of it.)

Eh, it was a cute idea, but there was nothing ergonomic about that boomerang design, and 3rd parties would have had difficulty making their games play well on it.

I wouldn't say I have huge hands by any means, but the dualshock controller is way too small for my hands. It feels like it was designed for children or something. The grips are way too short, so when I hold the grips they come to an abrupt end in the middle of my hand so the bottom of my hand has nothing to grip onto and it just doesn't feel right.

I don't know what planet you come from where you can say the batarang design wouldn't have been ergonomic, but I would have to strongly disagree. Anything that lengthens the grips and makes the controller better suited for adult hands is a major improvement in my opinion. The only ones who would be upset by that new design would have to be small children or a very small percentage of adults with dwarfism. Everyone else would benefit by having something they can actually grip onto. You'd think after 17 years Sony could improve on the design of their controller, but no...

Sure, it's heavily based on the Dualshock, but the Dualshock and its iterations are excellent controller designs that function favorably with a wide variety of gaming genres.

Ha! Are you Kevin Butler by any chance? The Dualshock controller is garbage. It was designed for children for people with tiny hands. Ironically, despite being labeled "Kiddie" the Gamecube controller actually fits well in my adult hands, so its ironic that a "kiddie" console has the most adult friendly controller, but the "adult" console has a controller made for little people. The broken up D-pad of the dualshock also sucks, as does the palcement of the D-pad and the left analog stick (they need to swap places).

The different size and color of the GC controller buttons made them very convenient and easy to use. Having buttons all shaped the same and with the same size creates the problem of accidently hitting the wrong button and ending up dead in a game. Having the buttons stand out from one another helps solve that problem.

There's no sense in reinventing the wheel and no shame in copying the current standard when the current standard works just fine.

Wow. What a bunch of bullshit. Nintendo is the one who invented the wheel, and they did a damn fine better job of it than Sony has. Sony is the one who reinvented the wheel and made it awkward and tiny. And whatchu talking about "current standard"? Last time I checked the PS3 is in 3rd place so they aren't the industry standard. But yes, there is shame in copying from Sony. Sony are the ones who lack creativity and always rip off whatever Nintendo creates and innovates. If you're going to rip off an idea its better to rip it off of someone who knows what they're doing. Stealing from Sony is like copying your test answers off the Dunce of the class. When Nintendo does it its even worse, because that's like the brainy nerd of the class sinking so low that he's now copying off the Dunce. That's how bad the CCpro thing is. Nintendo is copying the village idiot, when its supposed to be the other way around.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tanookisuit on April 14, 2011, 11:59:05 PM
I agree with Chozo Ghost- the Gamecube pad is amazing.  I even ordered one of those white Japanese ones with the extra long cord to play Smash Bros and Mario Kart on my Wii.  For my weird little hands, the GC controller is the most comfortable and intuitive controller I've used.

Never liked the Dual Shock.  I'm fine with the 360 controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2011, 12:03:33 AM
Dude, the Dualshock and 360 controller designs are very similar with pretty much the exact same button layouts (aside from start/select), and as far as controllers designed for people who actually play games (rather than people who like to twirl around TV remotes), they are the standard.  I have issues with the Dualshock's fractured D-pad, but I find it to be an excellent controller and I have probably larger-than-average hands.  Hell, I'm actually kind of decent at fighting games with this D-pad, and I'm never decent at fighting games.

And if it sounds like I'm cranky, it's not you.  I'm trying to go for an online trophy in Marvel vs. Capcom 3, and no one's using the characters I need so I'm in a bit of a foul mood.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 15, 2011, 12:20:11 AM
If that rumor about the controller having a screen is true and it's similar to the Dreamcast's VMU, Nintendo might as well call it a "Gameboy." /nostalgia erection

I still think there should only be 1 controller. Nintendo is worth billions; they're Research and Development department is the best in the industry. Figure it out. If they can't, Nintendo needs to lower the prices. Having to spend the same amount or more on controllers than the console itself is out-of-this-world ridic.

It's even being rumored to have FULL BC with the Wii, because it would be STUPID not to. How do you follow up your biggest console success in this day and age and not have some way of easing in all the customers of the past 5 years, especially the massive casual market that now all own HD TV's?
The Wii is Nintendo's first home console with backwards compatibility so shipping without any backwards compatibility is not without precedence. Nintendo will put backwards compatibility in if they can because it's a nice feature, but it's hardly stupid not to and Nintendo has had no problem ditching this or that in the past. Most casual gamers probably have no idea what backward compatibility even is. The idea of "easing" customers in is total bullshit. If Nintendo wants to keep all of those casual gamers, they absolutely must come up with something brand new and innovative that resonates with that segment of the market because being able to play legacy games isn't going to hack it. Assuming Nintendo gets that killer app for casuals, if they really want to be nice and totally sweeten the deal, they can always upconvert Wii Sports and Resort and preload them onto the new console's internal memory.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 15, 2011, 12:23:35 AM
I would argue the 360 layout is more similar to the GC than to the Dualshock's layout. The 360 controller has a real D-pad, and it has the analog/D-pad layout the same as that of the GC controller. Only the Dualshock is the oddball that decided the D-pad should be given top billing, which goes against all logic because modern gaming relies more on analog sticks, and D-pads are mostly used to cycle through weapons and classic gaming.

The reason the Dualshock has the D-pad given top billing is because that's how the original Dualshock was setup. Then when Nintendo launched the N64 and revolutionized gaming by introducing the analog stick Sony basically did a rush job and slapped on two analog sticks on the bottom of the dualshock controller. This was not the best placement for them, and it makes the controller unergonomic and ugly because the analog sticks bulge out and make the grips much less useful. They get in the way.

So anyway, the Xbox controller and GC controller both get it right because they understand the importance of the analog stick to modern gaming and are designed to give it top priority, whereas the Sony controller still hangs onto the vestigial D-pad and leaves it in the primary spot as if gaming still revolved around it.

Btw, the original dualshock controller is basically a ripoff of the SNES controller. If you take an SNES controller and add some grips and two more shoulder buttons you basically have the dualshock. The layout in every other respect is exactly the same. Not that that's really such a bad thing, because the SNES controller was the best non-analog controller of all time (in my opinion). It was better than the Genesis controller or any other of the day. But since we entered the analog era a new design is needed. The GC and xbox controllers gets this design right, but Sony doesn't.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2011, 12:26:31 AM
I'm not a fan of the PlayStation controller either, the handles are too wide, the D-pad is uncomfortable to press, the sticks are in awkward spots, etc. The GameCube controller almost got it right, but it had a few problems holding it back, like a small D-pad and awkward B button. Though I still find the Nintendo 64 controller the most comfortable to hold, and its only issue was the three-prong thing, which doesn't affect comfort.

Or it was, until the Wii controller. Its disconnected, two-part design is really the best thing to happen to controllers since the D-pad, as it allows it to be held without bringing your hands together for so long. Cramps are a thing of the past with it. All it needs is a few more buttons to accommodate more types of games so developers don't have to use motion flicks in the place of buttons. Whatever Nintendo uses for the next system, I hope it follows a similar design.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2011, 12:40:00 AM
Its disconnected, two-part design is really the best thing to happen to controllers since the D-pad

This I agree with 100%. I'd love to see all three console makers incorporate this as an option in their controllers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 15, 2011, 12:43:08 AM
Yeah, I would have to agree the GC controller's D-pad did suck really bad. There was no excuse for that coming from the company which invented it in the first place.

But, that was really a minor issue, because like I have been trying to point out, the D-pad is no longer as relevant as it once was. If the GC had a virtual console or the equivalent of it then a D-pad would have been much more useful, but as it was it was just used as auxillary buttons for certain games. So it sucked, but it wasn't like it was something you relied on and was constantly using in most games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2011, 12:52:01 AM
The 360 controller has a real D-pad
I wouldn't call that circle thingy a D-pad. To me, it's even worse than Sony's D-pad.

Btw, the original dualshock controller is basically a ripoff of the SNES controller. If you take an SNES controller and add some grips and two more shoulder buttons you basically have the dualshock.
If that's true, isn't the Classic Controller Pro inspired by the SNES controller, not Sony's controller?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 12:59:37 AM
lol,  I need to dig them up but I did a series of hand sketched comics back when we were going through this with the Revolution and it made that same point. About the SNES controller being the grandfather of most of these designs.  Also had a stint of Nunchuck trying to find its mom.

I had a boomerang n64 contoller loved it.  Like the Wavebird, Dreamcast controller, and loved the NES Max controller (which ironicaly the 3DS is a lot like).  I'm sure I would like the 360 controller and if it wasn't so much I get the PS3 mod one for my PS3.
 
Edit:
Found the thread I was talking about:  http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16006.msg234813#msg234813 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16006.msg234813#msg234813)
And this thread is from when I first got my PS3 talking about the controller: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=21720.msg352932#msg352932 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=21720.msg352932#msg352932)
(its paid off for those interested)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 01:58:07 AM
It's even being rumored to have FULL BC with the Wii, because it would be STUPID not to. How do you follow up your biggest console success in this day and age and not have some way of easing in all the customers of the past 5 years, especially the massive casual market that now all own HD TV's?
The Wii is Nintendo's first home console with backwards compatibility so shipping without any backwards compatibility is not without precedence. Nintendo will put backwards compatibility in if they can because it's a nice feature, but it's hardly stupid not to and Nintendo has had no problem ditching this or that in the past. Most casual gamers probably have no idea what backward compatibility even is. The idea of "easing" customers in is total bullshit. If Nintendo wants to keep all of those casual gamers, they absolutely must come up with something brand new and innovative that resonates with that segment of the market because being able to play legacy games isn't going to hack it. Assuming Nintendo gets that killer app for casuals, if they really want to be nice and totally sweeten the deal, they can always upconvert Wii Sports and Resort and preload them onto the new console's internal memory.

Let's think about this for a second. Nintendo is obviously not gonna abandon the casual market that they so effortlessly conquered. But what is your common casual gonna think about the announcement of new hardware to replace their hardware? "Why would I want a new Wii when my current Wii works perfectly fine." "I'm gonna have to buy all new games for it? what about he games I already own?"

and the key statement in my quote was "In this day and age", this being the age after PS2/3 Xbox 360, Wii, DS,  3DS & iPhone/Pad. It's pretty standard practice to include BC where possible these days.

So to comfortably bring over the Casuals that may want to play newer games but not be with out the games they already own and then also bring over the Core gamers that never bought in and are likely to visit the back catalog is to provide FULL BC. If Nintendo can do Full BC (like Wii w/ GC) without breaking the bank to make it happen (like PS3) then it would be stupid of them not to do it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2011, 02:24:54 AM
Since the Wii is literally pretty much the same hardware as the GameCube, except better in most ways, if Nintendo includes BC for Wii games, the system would be capable of playing GameCube games. The sticking point is the controller/memory card situation. Assuming they're not going to include the physical ports, they'd have to include some level of software emulation for those features. That shouldn't be at all hard, but, this being Nintendo, it isn't a given.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2011, 02:58:09 AM
The disc drive would also have to be made to read GameCube discs, and the Wii drive is less durable due to its ability to accept those smaller discs. For that reason, I'd rather it not include GameCube support, though I don't care about backwards compatibility as I never play GameCube games on the Wii and would never play Wii games on whatever the next system is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2011, 03:05:32 AM
Good point; I hadn't thought of that. My point's still the same though: it wouldn't be at all hard to include GameCube BC if they're already supporting Wii games, but, given that this is Nintendo we're talking about, that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 03:10:42 AM
They can support GC games though the VC and Disc support.

Later on somewhere down the line they can switch the drive to one that won't read GC disc to save money if it's really bothering them that much, but most people won't be playing GC disc by then anyway, so 99% of Wii2 owners, who bought a console that late, won't actually care.

Besides, a Wii will probably still be on sale for $99 or less by then, so you would have the same situation that exist right now with PS2/3.
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Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2011, 03:14:26 AM
Good point; I hadn't thought of that. My point's still the same though: it wouldn't be at all hard to include GameCube BC if they're already supporting Wii games, but, given that this is Nintendo we're talking about, that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen.

Given that switching systems gives Nintendo an excuse to now sell GameCube games via the Virtual Console service, I highly doubt that the Wii 2 will be backwards compatible with Wii games.  It's just too easy a money grab for Nintendo to pass off.  Naturally, I would be thrilled if they defied my expectations and put the feature in, though I can't remember the last time I played a GameCube game.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2011, 03:17:54 AM
Yeah, considering I have Metroid Prime Trilogy and NPC Pikmin 1 and 2, I don't have many reasons to ever need to play GameCube games. Still, one of these days I'm going to get around to playing Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.
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Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2011, 03:20:36 AM
Yeah, considering I have Metroid Prime Trilogy and NPC Pikmin 1 and 2, I don't have many reasons to ever need to play GameCube games. Still, one of these days I'm going to get around to playing Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.

I'm going to have to go scavenge some GameStop or something and pick up a GCN version of Pikmin sometime in the near future.  I tried the NPC version of Pikmin 1, and I much prefer the GCN version controls since I frequently used the C-Stick to direct my troops.  The way the Wii version handles that function is...less than desirable.

But yeah, my GCN collection now is basically a collection of last-generation JRPGs (Skies of Arcadia Legends, Tales of Phantasia, the 2 Baten Kaitos games); Wind Waker; and SW: RS - Rogue Leader.  Not much reason to play those these days, though I have tried to start a replay of Baten Kaitos Origins a few times.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 03:28:53 AM
Because it was only mentioned and never linked to;
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298241/news/wii-2-has-all-new-hd-controller-out-2012-sources/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298241/news/wii-2-has-all-new-hd-controller-out-2012-sources/)
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What's most exciting about the Wii successor however is its all-new controller, which industry sources have indicated is not simply an upgraded Wii Remote, and will even feature a built-in HD screen.

Our sources did not specify whether or not the controller displays will feature any other functionality, such as that of the DS's touch screen, but it's easy to imagine the sort of innovation an extra screen could bring to Wii 2 games.

"Nintendo's plans sound unreal," one source said. "Publishers are already planning launch titles and it's all very exciting.

"The hardware is even more powerful than current HD consoles and backwards compatible with Wii. The controller will be all-new and has a HD screen on it."
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2011, 03:33:44 AM
An HD screen on the controller is ridiculous. Apple calls the iPhone 4's screen, on which you can't see individual pixels because of the incredibly high pixel density, a "Retina" display because they can't legally call it HD since the total resolution isn't big enough.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 15, 2011, 03:49:26 AM
I would be open to Gamecube being on Virtual Console only if I could transfer my game saves from my Gamecube memory card because I do not want to replay Twilight Princess again. This is allowed on the PS3 interms of the PS1 games, so why not the Wii 2?
 
Also, there many Wii games that I have never owned, so I would be open to purchase them as DLC for the Wii 2 if the prices were right.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 15, 2011, 03:54:33 AM
A new remote would kill backwards compatibility, would it not?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2011, 03:59:03 AM
Since Wii remotes work on standard Bluetooth it would be easy to support current controllers without any added hardware.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 04:02:06 AM
Rumor: Nintendo Planning Wii Successor, Could Use Blu-ray
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6194
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Nintendo are said to be looking at turning the fortunes of their home console business around and are set to announce the successor to their massively successful Wii home console at E3. Sources have revealed to Blu-ray.com that Nintendo are looking at including Blu-ray as the main optical drive. This would be a natural progression from the Wii which uses DVD, but it isn't clear if Nintendo would enable BD movie playback on the new console or whether they would just use it for data as they do with DVD on the Wii. This new device could be the internal successor to the Blu-ray enabled Wii that was rumored for release in 2010.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 09:39:47 AM
I could see them using Blu-Ray it is the accepted high storage optical media.  Still wish it be flash based but oh well.

BnM:  I have to disagree with you about BC being a casual feature.  In my experience any casual where BC is a huge factor would just stick with what they have.  BC really comes into play with the Savvy parent market and Hardcore fans.  If I had to make a clear decision between BC being a hardcore or casual feature I go hardcore all the way.

Now for a weird thought what if they really meant Full Backward Compatibility, we're talking all Nintendo consoles.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 15, 2011, 10:24:06 AM
Wii backwards compatibility doesn't matter to me because my Wii is just gathering dust due to me having beaten all the games I care about. If I'm not playing Wii games on the Wii, then why would I be playing Wii games on the Wii 2? I'd much rather play brand new games designed specifically for the Wii 2.

As for the Bluray rumor, I hope that's false. I'd rather see Nintendo use HVD instead.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
Wii backwards compatibility doesn't matter to me because my Wii is just gathering dust due to me having beaten all the games I care about. If I'm not playing Wii games on the Wii, then why would I be playing Wii games on the Wii 2? I'd much rather play brand new games designed specifically for the Wii 2.

As for the Bluray rumor, I hope that's false. I'd rather see Nintendo use HVD instead.

Its not mainstream enough to be cheap.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 12:12:43 PM
Nintendo owns patents on Holographic storage, so we don't know if they finally matured the tech enough to make it cheap. But this BRD rumor first popped up in 2009 for the release of a WiiHD in 2010, and now it pops up again with the news of a new N system, so I'd take it with a grain of salt.

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As far as the casual thing and BC, I sorta explained how it was for both groups and how both groups may look at it.
Casuals will think that the hardware they just bought a few years ago is working fine and how they don't need anything new, and if they do think about upgrading, they will think about the 100's of $$$ they've spent on all the software sitting on their shelves and if they will still be able to use any of it. There would have to be something in the new system to make them take the leap, and it will have to be especially good if they want everyone to abandon their current system and all it's software.
As far as the core, current Wii owners are gonna want their current software to work, and might go back and rummage through the bargain bins for anything they skipped over. People that Never owned a Wii because they never rationalized owning the system because there was "No Good Software" can now rummage through the back catalog for cheap gems that they skipped over (Punchout, TLS, Xeno, etc etc).

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And if there is a sizeable HDD of some sort, I'm willing to bet that GC will move to Virtual Console, I actually wouldn't be surprised if some Wii games showed up on VC too, depending on how powerful the new system is.

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Something else I was gonna post last night(my computer reset and I can't remember where the links are now) was actually from a little over a month ago. An AMD employee was talking about how he was on the team that was working on a new chip for a next generation console due for release at the end of 2012. He said this back in the beginning of march. It's an AMD Fusion based design which is combined CPU/GPU upto 4cores @ 28nm and if I remember correctly, is the same type of design AMD did for MS with the Xbox Slim to eliminate the RRoD for Slim models.

It's assumed that this work was for MS and I wouldn't be surprised if MS was planning for 2012 all along. The 360 did come out in 2005 after all and Kinect came out in 2010, so 2 full years for Kinect before a new system seems reasonable. But what if this is actually a Nintendo chip?

quad core CPU/GPU combo and all RAM would be a shared pool since both chips are on the same chip.
R&D for a custom CPU/GPU combo would be expensive, but the chip should be significantly cheaper to fab once it's combined than if they were separate.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 12:33:11 PM
Hopefully be significantly faster as well since it can be closer interconnects and the like.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 12:41:02 PM
Wii2 aimed for an early 2012 release?
http://www.neowin.net/news/rumour-nintendos-hd-console-to-be-unveiled-at-e3 (http://www.neowin.net/news/rumour-nintendos-hd-console-to-be-unveiled-at-e3)
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Update: Neowin has received additional information from insider sources regarding the launch date of Nintendo's new console. The source has pointed out that a "major developer" is currently preparing games for the new console, and is planning to ship them in Q1 2012. They state that Nintendo may try for a Q4 2011 launch, but Q1 2012 is more likely. However, Nintendo may be willing to push the launch date a few months later to Q2 2012 and skip Q1, as they are not too thrilled with the lackluster sales coming from the 3DS's Q1 launch.


This is what I've been hoping for, and would honestly make a lot more sense if they are actually planning on blowing this thing out at E3 this year.


If they weren't planning on releasing it early next year, why not reveal it at TGS or something and keep it publicly quiet for now? I can't see a good reason for a full reveal 1.5 years before release, that only gives MS & Sony extra time to wrap up their projects and get something in motion. I'm sure MS is sitting on something already, but last I've heard whispered about Sony is that they scrapped their last next-gen design (late last year) in hopes to build a whole new design. Nintendo launching in less than a year with new hardware might make them rethink that plan.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 12:47:25 PM
I hate to say this but who thought the 3DS would sell like gangbusters during tax time, at least here in the US, hasn't really been watching have they.    This time might not be a bad time to launch and let it ease into the holiday season.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 12:57:58 PM
Because it was only mentioned and never linked to;
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298241/news/wii-2-has-all-new-hd-controller-out-2012-sources/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298241/news/wii-2-has-all-new-hd-controller-out-2012-sources/)
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What's most exciting about the Wii successor however is its all-new controller, which industry sources have indicated is not simply an upgraded Wii Remote, and will even feature a built-in HD screen.

Our sources did not specify whether or not the controller displays will feature any other functionality, such as that of the DS's touch screen, but it's easy to imagine the sort of innovation an extra screen could bring to Wii 2 games.

"Nintendo's plans sound unreal," one source said. "Publishers are already planning launch titles and it's all very exciting.

"The hardware is even more powerful than current HD consoles and backwards compatible with Wii. The controller will be all-new and has a HD screen on it."

IGN Says
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Additional sources informed IGN the screen has touch capability.

I'm gonna have to do another Rumor consolidation post soon. I haven't done one of those for about 2 years. Maybe I'll just consolidate all the rumors for the year so far and see what happens at E3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 15, 2011, 12:59:30 PM
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I don't like the CCpro and wish it would die. Its like a ripoff of the Playstation controller, which is ironic and sad because the Playstation controller itself is a ripoff of many Nintendo innovations. So the CCpro is not only a ripoff; its a ripoff of a ripoff.

See to me, I look at it like Nintendo is showing Sony how to do it right.  It isn't a rip-off of a rip-off because the whole thing was Nintendo's to being with.  The CC Pro is Nintendo taking all of the little things Sony did wrong and doing it right.  I get the idea about how the analog stick should take priority but I actually think the d-pad works better as the focus.  It is harder to use an off-center d-pad than it is to use an off-center analog stick.  When you move the d-pad to the side it becomes borderline useless but the analog stick, thought not quite as good, remains very usable.  A clear example of this is that no one has a problem with the second stick being off-center, because it is still usable.  And the funny thing is that Nintendo themselves are very into the d-pad these days with all their "hold the remote sideways" controls.  They themselves have de-emphasized the analog stick.
 
The idea of an HD screen on a controller is insane.  How much is a single controller going to cost?  $100?  That's just rumour mongers pulling **** out of their ass.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2011, 01:01:26 PM
I hate to say this but who thought the 3DS would sell like gangbusters during tax time, at least here in the US, hasn't really been watching have they.    This time might not be a bad time to launch and let it ease into the holiday season.

Considering I just used my Tax Refund to pay off a large chunk of credit card bills, no I don't think Tax Season was a great time to launch the 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 01:09:12 PM
[The idea of an HD screen on a controller is insane.  How much is a single controller going to cost?  $100?  That's just rumour mongers pulling **** out of their ass.

HD touch screen on the controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 01:10:23 PM
I be really interested in a controller that used the screen but was able to form buttons on it.  Think raised buttons like the Intellivision buttons but dynamic.  So for a kid game it could be a ball or a banana.   Dynamic changing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 01:23:01 PM
It could be a HD haptic touch screen.

That would mean that you could feel texture through the screen. That coudl make for some interesting things to add to games, but I can't think of anythign game changing depending on how big the actual screen is.

I just hope Nintendo also makes the controller (w/ the touch screen on it) a universal remote, so that I only need to grab my WiiMote 2.0 to turn on my TV & Wii, cable box, etc etc. I think that would be a feature that everyone would like, it would become a convenience that we would all eventually take for granted.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 01:34:28 PM
It could be a HD haptic touch screen.

That would mean that you could feel texture through the screen. That coudl make for some interesting things to add to games, but I can't think of anythign game changing depending on how big the actual screen is.

I just hope Nintendo also makes the controller (w/ the touch screen on it) a universal remote, so that I only need to grab my WiiMote 2.0 to turn on my TV & Wii, cable box, etc etc. I think that would be a feature that everyone would like, it would become a convenience that we would all eventually take for granted.

That would cool for it to be a universal remote.  On the controller be hard to do something more game changing then Kinect recently but, it be neat to have something my very young son could use with games for him.  Though we will see.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 01:47:23 PM
you should see the concept I had for Wii 2.0
it was a combination of PSMove/Kinect and Wii. I think it was pretty good and could've successfully combined all 3 into something that is the best of all 3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 15, 2011, 01:53:18 PM
All of the sudden we went from no rumors to a torrential flood of rumors regarding the next Nintendo console. Some of these rumors may have some validity, but because there's so many of them so quickly there's absolutely no chance that every one of them could all be true. You have to cut through the bullshit and try to guess which ones have some weight, and which ones are just hot air. Most of these rumors were likely just made up by people either due to wishful thinking, or as a hoax to fool people.

While its possible for there to be a controller with a screen, I can't buy that it would be an HD screen. Having a controller with a screen would be nice, because it would a convenient little HUD type thing which would be great especially in multiplayer games so you could see stuff that people sitting next to you wouldn't be able to see. But having that screen be HD would be overkill and would add more to the cost of the controller than it would be worth. Not even the 3DS (a $249.99 piece of hardware) has its display in HD, so its just not going to happen in a controller. I'm sure it would be superior to the black and white blocky VMU display thing the Dreamcast used, though. If anything, it might be based on the DS screen, because I'm sure Nintendo would have a bunch of these components available to use and the original DS screen would be more than sufficient for the task.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 02:12:15 PM
you should see the concept I had for Wii 2.0
it was a combination of PSMove/Kinect and Wii. I think it was pretty good and could've successfully combined all 3 into something that is the best of all 3.

Where is it?  Talking about that I need to find a Nintendo On link.
 
Chozo:  I think people are using HD to mean not Gameboy is my take on it.
Title: Rumor Consolidation 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 02:17:22 PM
Rumor Consolidation 2011

October 2010:
-Marvell QuadCore processors for new console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg637155#msg637155) - *This might have had something to do with Kinect, But I don't remember.
-IBM implies that Wii2 uses Cell based PPC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565)

November 2010:
-Marvell Quad cores gets a large order: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642274#msg642274) From large console manufacturer - *once again might be Kinect related.
-House of the Dead: Overkill 2 in the works (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642866#msg642866) 
-EA reviving NFL Blitz (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg644226#msg644226)

December 2010:

January 2011:
-UltraViolet Media Cloud service coming to a console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg648998#msg648998) - Most Likely Sony since Sony is a partner.
-New Pokemon game for Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg649154#msg649154)

February 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg657316#msg657316) according to Ubisoft

March 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg661397#msg661397) according to EA

April 2011:
-Monster Hunter 3DS to be announced soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg664597#msg664597)
-SSFIV3D connects to home console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg665437#msg665437) - Hint @ Wii2 from Capcom and 3DS -> Wii2 connectivity
-Wii price drop to $150 on May 15th (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666463#msg666463)
-Wii2 announcement @ E3: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666740#msg666740) 1080p HD, More powerful than PS360, BC with Wii, release late 2012
-New Wii2 controller has HD screen built in (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666915#msg666915)
-Wii2 to use Bluray technology (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666928#msg666928)
-Wii2 actually aimed at early 2012 release (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666975#msg666975) (1st half 2012)
-Controller Screen is actually a Touch Screen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666977#msg666977)
-Project Cafe: Wii2 Controller is a Tablet: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667008#msg667008) 6" touch Screen on Controller, front facing camera & doubles as sensor bar for BC
-Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667026#msg667026) Wii2 controller to rival 3DS, NGP, iPhone & iPad apparently
-1st & 3rd Party games @ E3 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667069#msg667069) EA, Ubisoft & Capcom all but confirmed
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 02:25:39 PM
you should see the concept I had for Wii 2.0
it was a combination of PSMove/Kinect and Wii. I think it was pretty good and could've successfully combined all 3 into something that is the best of all 3.

Where is it?  Talking about that I need to find a Nintendo On link.

Part 1: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32069.msg642359#msg642359
Part 2: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32069.msg642377#msg642377

it was a quick sketch, but I think the concept is interesting and could work.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tanookisuit on April 15, 2011, 02:42:27 PM
"Project Cafe". 

Weird.  How can this be backwards compatible with Wii with such a different controller?  Or, I guess you just use Wiimotes for Wii games?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 15, 2011, 02:51:15 PM
What a sea of rumors we're wading in. I don't believe any of it, except the HD part since Iwata confirmed that.

I also hope they launch in black this time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 02:54:20 PM
I'll call bull on the Project Cafe rumor.  A touchscreen works for the DS because its compact and an option.  This would not be a primary controller.
Title: Project Cafe
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 03:12:55 PM
Project Cafe since I'm not allergic to links...
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/15/rumor-wii-2-codenamed-project-cafe-controller-includes-built-i/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/15/rumor-wii-2-codenamed-project-cafe-controller-includes-built-i/)
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According to 01net, the peripheral will feature a six-inch single-input touchscreen -- which corroborates a similar report published by CVG yesterday. The French site also says the controller features a standard set of buttons, a front-mounted camera (what?) and can even function as a Wii sensor bar, should the player choose to indulge in the console's built-in backwards compatibility.

I had a link to 01.net last nite, but the site is in french and the Google translation was rough. Didn't see a mention of a 6" screen though.

Nintendo beating Sony into the Tablet game is what it looks like. The Wii2 controller to be a tabled controller possibly with some form of haptic feedback? Not sure what to think about this, but it makes me think back to some Revolution concept art. There was one that was a screen with buttons on the edges. I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: rad.i.kal on April 15, 2011, 03:17:53 PM
wow all this sound awesome, hope half of it is legit!


I would buy this console asap... HOWEVER, lets not let Nintendo know that or it will cost 500 bucks... meh it sounds ok! I would pay... maybe 200, 150 around there :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 03:45:30 PM
Project Cafe?

(http://i.imgur.com/xasm9.jpg)
Revolution Controller Concept March 2006
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 15, 2011, 03:49:29 PM
I'm thinking, if anything, it'll look like the bottom half of a 3DS except much more ergonomical.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 04:03:34 PM
I like that concept in a way.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tanookisuit on April 15, 2011, 04:05:15 PM
Yeah, Unagi, that's what I'm picturing too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 04:07:43 PM
lol.  Could you give me an original GBA design instead.  Still maintain that was most ergonomic handheld.
Title: Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games OH MY!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 04:09:51 PM

Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games!? OH MY!!

https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58952595657596929 (https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58952595657596929)
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Dual analog sticks on the controller. Can stream game content from the console. Not sure if it'll be full games, mini-games, or apps.

I'm guessing that the controller will have the insides of a DS? maybe all compressed onto one small chip.

Honestly I think someone is just fucking with us at this point. All the Revolution and NDS2 rumors are surfacing again to HYPE us up for E3. You have to wonder how much a controller like this would cost and how big would it be? It better double as a universal remote if it's gonna have all this functionality. But PSP as your base controller for the system is a pretty big move for Nintendo. Sony can say that you can use NGP as a controller, but will games be designed for that assuming that an NGP will cost at minimum $299 and who is gonna buy 4 of those just so their friends can play too?

I am cautiously optimistic at this point.
But ALL ABOARD!!!! BTTFhypetrain.gif
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 04:14:53 PM

Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games!? OH MY!!

https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58952595657596929 (https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58952595657596929)
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Dual analog sticks on the controller. Can stream game content from the console. Not sure if it'll be full games, mini-games, or apps.

I'm guessing that the controller will have the insides of a DS? maybe all compressed onto one small chip.

Honestly I think someone is just fucking with us at this point. All the Revolution and NDS2 rumors are surfacing again to HYPE us up for E3. You have to wonder how much a controller like this would cost and how big would it be? It better double as a universal remote if it's gonna have all this functionality. But PSP as your base controller for the system is a pretty big move for Nintendo. Sony can say that you can use NGP as a controller, but will games be designed for that assuming that an NGP will cost at minimum $299 and who is gonna buy 4 of those just so their friends can play too?

I am cautiously optimistic at this point.
But ALL ABOARD!!!! BTTFhypetrain.gif

On the Cost issue.  I would say not that much seriously.  1/3 of the cost of the 3DS is the top screens.  So that takes the manufacture down to $100 but I'll bet you it drops like a stone when you switch the processor to the old DS one, which should be enough to drive 1 touch screen especially if its just a pass through.  Not needing more memory then the screen buffers really, etc.  Just keep dropping the expensive parts till it meets the requirements form the rumor.  The thing doesn't have to be smart or really independent.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 04:45:46 PM
I just had a thought.

Skyward Sword getting the TP treatment.

Remember that scene where you throw the bug and then you remote control it....
Wii2 version does that on the controller and not on the screen.

Also, touch screen doubles as your keyboard. In game text chat will be a whole lot easier.
In game Video chat would happen on the controller too, keeping maximum screen real estate on the TV.
I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that there will be a speaker and a mic on the controller too while we are at it. Maybe even an SD card slot or some built in flash memory for storing the Miis you can manipulate right there on the on the controller screen. Hopefully an earphone plug too.
If they are gonna do this, then they better do it right.

I still hope there is a camera for ontop of the TV though.
I really liked my sensor bar/wiimote 2.0 idea and hope to see some form of it realized in the Wii2
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 15, 2011, 04:54:19 PM
I can't help but feel if the touchscreen rumor is true that it might, in fact, be a 3D screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 04:59:52 PM
I just had another thought.

Remember back in '05/'06 when Miyamoto said that he hopes to bypass the need for a TV(or something like that) and then there were rumors flying around about Revolution having a projector and not needing a TV anymore? There were also other rumors about it providing it's own 3D screen?

Have we hit some sort of time warp back to the future ...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 05:02:11 PM
I can't help but feel if the touchscreen rumor is true that it might, in fact, be a 3D screen.

I doubt that.  The 3D tech is currently to expensive to be a non-main screen plus it doesn't led itself to the type of glance and go  I imagine from a touch controller.
 
I just had another thought.
Remember back in '05/'06 when Miyamoto said that he hopes to bypass the need for a TV(or something like that) and then there were rumors flying around about Revolution having a projector and not needing a TV anymore? There were also other rumors about it providing it's own 3D screen?
Have we hit some sort of time warp back to the future ...

I could see it like that but wouldn't it be weird.  Having a console that you play like a handheld.  Be a centralized server type of deal.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 15, 2011, 05:04:11 PM
We now have a leaked photo from anonymous sources of what the Wii 2 will look like:


(http://runners-resource.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/holodeck.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 05:07:42 PM
But its so small.  I mean why should my Dol.. Action Figures get all the fun?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 15, 2011, 05:16:37 PM
Can you put up a link to where you found the pic?

Looks like there's an update to the link BnM posted.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/116/1162045p1.html
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Sources now confirm to IGN the new Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console, saying it's like a miniature television. The screen size on the controller is also confirmed to be six inches in size.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 15, 2011, 05:18:57 PM
I just had a thought.

Skyward Sword getting the TP treatment.

I doubt that will happen for several reasons.  The first reason being that even though Wii sales are down, the system still has a pretty active userbase.  In the Wii's fourth year, 2010, Mario Galaxy 2 sold over 6 million copies last year and Donkey Kong Country Returns sold over 4 million.  In comparison, the Gamecubes top selling games in it's fourth year, 2005, was Mario Party 7 only sold over 1 million copies.  Since the worst selling home console Zelda is Majora's Mask with over 3 million copies, I'd imagine Nintendo wants ever home console Zelda to be able to do better then 3 million copies.  That's why they had to make a Wii version of Twilight Princess because they knew the Gamecube couldn't do it.  In comparison, the Wii as Mario and DK have shown should be able to get Skyward Sword sales of at least 5 million copies so Nintendo doesn't have a reason to delay it for the next system since they can still make money on the Wii.

Plus the other reason is if the Wii successor is indeed going to be significantly more powerful then the PS3, Nintendo would basically have to remake the entire game in order to make it's graphics up to that quality.  Unlike what some people think, Nintendo does care a lot about graphics for their top games.  Twilight Princess was one of the most graphically impressive Gamecube titles and since the Wii was very similar to the Gamecube in hardware, they were able to port the game over to the Wii for it's launch and it still looked like one of the best games on the Wii at launch.

Hell even if the Wii's successor isn't as powerful as the rumors say it is and is only around what the 360/PS3 are, that would still make the jump a lightyear greater then the jump between the Gamecube and Wii.  That would still require Nintendo to spend way too much money to basically completely remake the graphics of a game that can still make them good money on the Wii in order to make sure it doesn't look like a complete joke when compared to other games at the Wii's successors launch.  I just don't see Nintendo doing that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 15, 2011, 05:35:58 PM
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Plus the other reason is if the Wii successor is indeed going to be significantly more powerful then the PS3, Nintendo would basically have to remake the entire game in order to make it's graphics up to that quality.

This is a great point.  Would you have bought a Gamecube launch game that looked like an N64 title?  It would be a lot of work.  Though they could just can the Wii version outright and delay the game to make it strictly a Wii 2 title like how Eternal Darkness and Dinosaur Planet were moved from N64 projects to Cube games.
 
I mentioned this in the talkback thread but the comment about a miniture television makes me think more and more that this is like a iPad - a handheld system for the home.  It fits in well with the Japanese market.  But please, PLEASE, let it hook up to a TV if I want it to.  I really think such an idea is doomed to casual city.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 05:48:19 PM
They've been working on the game since 2006, who's to say that part of the reason they "delayed" it for this long wasn't because of ideas they were working on for Wii2 and who is to say that they didn't originally make all the assets in HD to begin with?

From what I've seen alot of Nintendo's textures actually upscale pretty good, which would lead me to believe that they originally were rendered at resolutions higher than what the system is displaying them at. Also Skyward Sword's visual style would benefit easily from an upscaling just like Wind Waker (have you seen those upscaled? they look great).

But if it's possible that Zelda might not come out till Xmas 2011 and the Wii2 is only a few months later, then why not TP it and use it as a quality 1st party launch title. How many of us would buy Zelda for Wii and then a few months later buy the Wii2 version for the extra dungeon(s), 1080p and unique control methods? I don't remember if the Wii version of TP came out before the GC version, but that's not really what I'm talking about when I say TP it anyway. I just want an upgraded version to hit the Wii2 at launch. Same with DQX if that's a a late arrival too. Can you imagine the launch frenzy in Japan if DQX hit as a dual release for Wii/2? Wii2 would be the hottest item out at the moment.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 05:56:23 PM
Forget Dual release just sell DQX in a Wii2 Bundle at launch and it will push units to the sky.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 15, 2011, 06:03:47 PM
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How many of us would buy Zelda for Wii and then a few months later buy the Wii2 version for the extra dungeon(s), 1080p and unique control methods?

Too many of us.  And you would all be suckers to do it.  Seriously, why buy a new system for a game you already own?  Buying a port for a few extras I can understand but to drop around $300 just to play an enhanced verison of a game you already have on the Wii?  That's just so crazy.  But if the Wii 2 has some other new game that encourages you to buy the system, well then it's not so insane to get the better version while you're at it.
 
But Nintendo released the Cube version of TP late for a reason.  They knew if the Cube version was sitting on the shelf next to the Wii version on Wii launch day, it would lose them some sales (and they didn't know it would be sold out Wii frenzy at the time).  They delayed the Cube version so that those who didn't know about it would buy their Wii for Zelda unaware.  Probably swindled a couple Cube owners who don't follow gaming news with that one.  So releasing a Wii version and then a Wii 2 version a bit later would probably not work as well.  Too much of a likely "Zelda?  I just bought this six months ago!" reaction.
 
Hell the 3DS isn't selling as well as they would like and it's lacking in original content.  Not an ideal strategy to replicate on the Wii 2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 06:08:09 PM
Forget Dual release just sell DQX in a Wii2 Bundle at launch and it will push units to the sky.

Out of stock creates buzz but deosn't prevent 2nd hand sales before a restock in Japan.

It's why DQ usually happens at the end of a console's life cycle. Maximum ownership for maximum sales.
A dual release would service the 80+million Wii owners and the first few million Wii2 owners too, assuming that it wouldn't happen at Wii2 launch (early 2012) and instead a few months later (summer time, right after E3).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 06:16:58 PM
Stogi already posted part of this

https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58948527677648896
https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58991231140773889
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There will be first and third party "Wii 2" games at E3. No clue if they'll be playable.
[...]
New Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console - like a miniature television.

But I can already tell you 3 of the 3rd Party companies that will have games for Wii2 @ E3

EA, Ubisoft & Capcom. All 3 of them have hinted at this announcement over the last 3 months.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 15, 2011, 06:20:47 PM
Nintendo could release a calculator and EA and Ubisoft would have launch titles for it.  But Capcom is thankfully a third party whose support actually matters.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 06:27:35 PM
Stogi already posted part of this

https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58948527677648896
https://twitter.com/jimreilly/status/58991231140773889
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There will be first and third party "Wii 2" games at E3. No clue if they'll be playable.
[...]
New Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console - like a miniature television.

But I can already tell you 3 of the 3rd Party companies that will have games for Wii2 @ E3

EA, Ubisoft & Capcom. All 3 of them have hinted at this announcement over the last 3 months.

Those three could not announce a single launch game and I wouldn't be surprised to find a title from each at launch plus Ridge Racer and Rayman.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 15, 2011, 06:38:02 PM
All this "confirmed" news, I don't know how I feel about it. It's very exciting, but there still will be motion in the controller right?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 06:40:41 PM
All this "confirmed" news, I don't know how I feel about it. It's very exciting, but there still will be motion in the controller right?

If Good Ol' Touchie has motion control it would probably play out a lot like the SixaxiS.  Don't do that to Good Ol' Touchie.  Plus there is a part where Good Ol' Touchie is suppose to turn into a sensor bar.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 15, 2011, 06:41:06 PM
When you throw your controller through your TV, you now get to break two screens at once.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 06:42:50 PM
When you throw your controller through your TV, you now get to break two screens at once.

NOoo Touchieeee....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 06:44:38 PM
When you throw your controller through your TV, you now get to break two screens at once.

i put a screen in your controller, so that when you get mad and throw your controller at your screen...
you can break the screen in your controller by breaking your screen with your controller
xzibit.jpg
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 15, 2011, 06:47:29 PM
I hope I don't have to go back to "hands stuck together" for all of my Wii2 games. I love the feeling of holding 2 separate pieces of hardware, and hope to play more things like Skyward Sword and Reed Steel 2 with motion plus or something better. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 15, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
I don't think the Sixaxis method of motion control is really ideal.  I would figure that the remote would be an option.  If they don't have the remote they basically have just thrown the Wii Sports market away.  Hooray for me since I hate motion control, but it makes no sense from a business point of view.

Or is this not truly a Wii successor?  Is this a *gasp* third pillar?  So the Wii continues on as the casual machine it has been pigeonholed as while this new console is for core gamers.  So Nintendo figures they can't offer a system that works for both markets so they expand to three pillars: console, handheld, casual.  In theory the Wii could continue to entertain casuals for years.  It was as a more traditional videogame system that it had no more legs left.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 07:01:22 PM
Here is something that should be interesting.

E3 starts June 7th.

The last few E3's MS has gone first with a conference the evening before E3
Nintendo would usually kick the off the event the the morning of
Sony would be later on opening day.

This year however, Sony has booked June 6th @ 5pm:
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/12/sony-e3-2011-press-conference-scheduled-for-june-6/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/12/sony-e3-2011-press-conference-scheduled-for-june-6/)
That is the day before E3 and earlier than MS usually does there conference which I believe was usually @ 6pm

This means that Nintendo could be last this year. But why would Sony opt to go first?
are they afraid they will get drowned out in Nintendo news? or maybe they had big news of their own and was hoping we would be too busy talking about that to notice the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2011, 07:16:11 PM
I have a feeling that all three Companies will announce their new console this year. Just a guess.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on April 15, 2011, 07:32:02 PM
The last couple of years, Microsoft's presser has been a 11am PDT start on the Monday. 5pm is the Ubisoft slot, normally.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 15, 2011, 07:34:09 PM
Nintendo could release a calculator and EA and Ubisoft would have launch titles for it.

I guess you don't really realize how much EA and Ubisoft support really matters until its gone. Just ask the Dreamcast about that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 07:42:25 PM
The last couple of years, Microsoft's presser has been a 11am PDT start on the Monday. 5pm is the Ubisoft slot, normally.

So this years E# conferences could be

MS - 11am 6/06
Sony - 5pm 6/06
Nintendo - 9am 6/07

Either way Sony is switching up their appearance order.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: n-phage on April 15, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
When I read about the screen on the controller the first thing I thought was that they were trying to make a console version of the DS.  I almost wonder if this is all real if they could make it backwards compatible with the DS.  Kind of like the Gameboy player for the Gamecube but built in.  And maybe the 3ds, too.  Might be a bad idea though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 15, 2011, 07:44:43 PM
Sony's schedule has been problematic over the past couple years -- Nintendo can run late, screwing up Sony's start, and then Sony's bleeds into the actual show start time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 15, 2011, 07:45:46 PM
Maybe they could have a tiny "wiimote" which would serve as the stylus for the touchscreen? Imagine a magical stylus which has buttons and can also be waved around and waggled for motion control, yet it also is a stylus for the touchscreen. Wouldn't that be awesome?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2011, 07:47:22 PM
No.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 15, 2011, 07:48:43 PM

Maybe they could have a tiny "wiimote" which would serve as the stylus for the touchscreen? Imagine a magical stylus which has buttons and can also be waved around and waggled for motion control, yet it also is a stylus for the touchscreen. Wouldn't that be awesome?
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/feature/22732 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/feature/22732)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 15, 2011, 07:57:30 PM
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Imagine a magical stylus which has buttons and can also be waved around and waggled for motion control, yet it also is a stylus for the touchscreen.

How do you get usable buttons at such a small size though?  Either that or you have a really chubby stylus.
Title: Wii2 = 3core PPC w/ Radeon 4000HD class GPU
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 08:05:57 PM
3 core PPC (i'm guessing Cell based by previous rumor) & AMD Radeon 4000 HD class GPU
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298348/news/wii-2-is-project-caf-says-report-tech-specs-controller-details-claimed/)
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'Wii 2' is being internally referred to as 'Project Café', and sports architecture similar to that of the Xbox 360, "but a bit more powerful".

It says the console will include a custom IBM PowerPC CPU with three cores, a GPU from the ATI R700 family with a shader unit at version 4.1, and at least 512Mb of RAM.

This would of course make HD console ports very easy for developers, but 'Project Café' will also include backwards compatibility with both the Wii (including all peripherals) and GameCube games, it's said.

The controller has a six-inch touch screen, a front-facing camera, D-Pad, two bumpers, two triggers and "possibly more," and can allegedly be used as a Wii sensor bar.

Late 2012 is the release date, and another "big surprise" about the console is set to be revealed at E3, the report concludes.

As always consider this a strong rumour for now, but it's a good source indeed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 15, 2011, 08:08:49 PM
3 core and Cell don't go together logically.
Title: Rumor Consolidation 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 08:10:40 PM
Rumor Consolidation 2011

October 2010:
-Marvell QuadCore processors for new console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg637155#msg637155) - *This might have had something to do with Kinect, But I don't remember.
-IBM implies that Wii2 uses Cell based PPC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565)

November 2010:
-Marvell Quad cores gets a large order: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642274#msg642274) From large console manufacturer - *once again might be Kinect related.
-House of the Dead: Overkill 2 in the works (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642866#msg642866) 
-EA reviving NFL Blitz (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg644226#msg644226)

December 2010:

January 2011:
-UltraViolet Media Cloud service coming to a console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg648998#msg648998) - Most Likely Sony since Sony is a partner.
-New Pokemon game for Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg649154#msg649154)

February 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg657316#msg657316) according to THQ

March 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg661397#msg661397) according to EA
-AMD working on CPU/GPU combined chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release

April 2011:
-Monster Hunter 3DS to be announced soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg664597#msg664597)
-SSFIV3D connects to home console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg665437#msg665437) - Hint @ Wii2 from Capcom and 3DS -> Wii2 connectivity
-Wii price drop to $150 on May 15th (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666463#msg666463)
-Wii2 announcement @ E3: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666740#msg666740) 1080p HD, More powerful than PS360, BC with Wii, release late 2012
-New Wii2 controller has HD screen built in (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666915#msg666915)
-Wii2 to use Bluray technology (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666928#msg666928)
-Wii2 actually aimed at early 2012 release (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666975#msg666975) (1st half 2012) *IGN backs this up in their mailbag (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668171#msg668171)*
-Controller Screen is actually a Touch Screen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666977#msg666977)
-Project Cafe: Wii2 Controller is a Tablet: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667008#msg667008) 6" touch Screen on Controller, front facing camera & doubles as sensor bar for BC
-Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667026#msg667026) Wii2 controller to rival 3DS, NGP, iPhone & iPad apparently
-1st & 3rd Party games @ E3 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667069#msg667069) EA, Ubisoft & Capcom all but confirmed
-Wii2 = TriCore PPC & R700 class GPU w/ 512+MB Ram (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667113#msg667113) Another surprise to be shown @ E3
-3rd Parties have had Wii2 Dev Kits for Months (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667129#msg667129), Has better Motion Tracking than Move
-Pikmin 3 moved to Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667251#msg667251) to be shown @ E3; Nintendo also in talks with R* for solid AAA support.
-Wii2 launch June 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667781#msg667781); Rockstar delivering game (?GTA V?) during launch window
-Wii2, 3DS & E3!? Oh Yes!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667939#msg667939); 3rd Parties taking a front seat this time around.
-Retro working on Wii2 game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667943#msg667943); and it's "a project everyone wants us to do" (Starfox? Zelda? New Original FPS?)
-Retro's new game is actually Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668169#msg668169)
-"Where there's smoke, there's fire" - Miyamoto's comment on Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668209#msg668209) - He also said not to believe everything you hear though.
-Wii2 controller has a 6.2" screen and 8 buttons (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668218#msg668218)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
3 core and Cell don't go together logically.

IBM is the one that said they were already integrating cell architecture/tech into the future PPC line, so don't tell me, tell them.


From rumor consolidation list:
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565)

Lessons in reading waaay too deep into a statement


IBM to use Cell in next Nintendo System!!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101008/tc_pcworld/cellprocessordevelopmenthasntstalledibmctosays)
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IBM is working with gaming machine vendors including Nintendo and Sony, said Jai Menon, CTO of IBM's Systems and Technology Group, during an interview Thursday. "We want to stay in the business, we intend to stay in the business," he said.


"I think you'll see [Cell] integrated into our future Power road map. That's the way to think about it as opposed to a separate line -- it'll just get integrated into the next line of things that we do," Menon said. "But certainly, we're working with all of the game folks to provide our capabilities into those next-generation machines."


"The kinds of things you used to be able to do with the Cell you can do in ... [the] Power line," Menon said


Also remember that AMD was working on a CPU/GPU combined chip for a console manufacturer (I think I forgot to include that rumor, it was from March) that was similar to the work they did for MS and the X360Slim.


These specs match up to that exactly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 15, 2011, 08:20:53 PM
I'm saying if it was Cell-based, they would have reported how many PPEs and how many SPEs it included rather than just saying Cores.
AMD already sells CPU/GPU processors for computers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 15, 2011, 08:30:52 PM
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Imagine a magical stylus which has buttons and can also be waved around and waggled for motion control, yet it also is a stylus for the touchscreen.

How do you get usable buttons at such a small size though?  Either that or you have a really chubby stylus.

It could be about the size of a pen or a laser pointer. I guess you'd have to have tiny buttons though, and probably only a few. Maybe just A and B buttons. But imagine the potential that would have. Not only could you touch the screen, but you could also click a button while you are touching it so it could perhaps grab and item and move it around as you lift the stylus from the screen, then you could click the button again to drop the item. So it would work like a mouse, except in 3D. With a mouse you can move a cursor around in a 2 dimensional plane, but with this idea you could move in every direction.

You could also have awesome FPS games where you aim by moving the stylus around on the touchscreen so you could touch on an enemy target and then click a button on the stylus to fire a gun.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 08:56:41 PM
I'm saying if it was Cell-based, they would have reported how many PPEs and how many SPEs it included rather than just saying Cores.
AMD already sells CPU/GPU processors for computers.

But we don't know how Cell was "integrated" into PPC architecture, and these are still rumors that are likely being passed on 2nd and 3rd hand, so I can't expect too many of the "Details" to be specific. Just like the game telephone, something always get lost in translation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2011, 08:58:38 PM
It's three GameCubes duct taped together... that's where the three cores come from.  (Did the GCN have a core processor at all?)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 15, 2011, 09:08:28 PM
But we don't know how Cell was "integrated" into PPC architecture, and these are still rumors that are likely being passed on 2nd and 3rd hand, so I can't expect too many of the "Details" to be specific. Just like the game telephone, something always get lost in translation.
The defining features were the two types of cores and the interconnect bus among them. Anything else is just general microprocessor technology (e.g. the Xenon core is just a modified PPE core).
Title: Dev Kits out for Months - Better Motion than Move
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 09:09:54 PM
Wii2 has a camera? - No idea, but it has better motion sensing than Move
Studios have had Dev Kits for Months
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/sources-confirm-more-details-on-wii-successor (http://www.next-gen.biz/news/sources-confirm-more-details-on-wii-successor)
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Ubisoft studios have had development kits “for months”, motion-sensing “better than Move”; announcement at E3?

Sources have this morning confirmed reports that Nintendo has a successor to the Wii in the works, telling us that thirdparty studios including those of Ubisoft, Activision and Electronic Arts have had development units of the new hardware for months.

They have also claimed that the system retains motion control, with capabilities that are “better than Move”, meaning that they boast higher fidelity. We do not yet have word on whether or not its motion-controlled solution introduces a camera.

This gives me hope on my Sensor Bar 2.0 idea. 2 way camera tracking.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 15, 2011, 09:19:44 PM
Engine revealed (http://i.imgur.com/NHyBA.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 15, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
I still want a more advanced version of the current Wiimote for the Wii 2 along side a controller with a built in screen. I a not convinced with this new controller and hope that it is nothing more than rumours, or atleast until I see it in action in June.
 
Edit:
 
If studios have had the development kits for months then could CoD Modern Warfare 3, Mass Effect 3 and MGS Rising be released in time to be Wii 2 launch titles?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on April 15, 2011, 09:25:05 PM
Considering that after the 3ds launched people were stilll trying to figure out exactly what was inside I don't trust any of this stuff in the slightest.

With how retarded Ubisoft is in general it wouldn't surprise me if they were still developing for the Wii heartbeat sensor and didn't know it.

A touchscreen motion controller sounds like the most unwieldy thing in the world.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 09:30:32 PM
I found a report from Oct. 1st 2008

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/report-wii-hd-set-2011
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Citing "multiple sources in the game industry" veteran games journalist John Davison has filed a report on a new Wii, set to launch in 2011.

Posted at WhatTheyPlay, the story says that Nintendo is currently "showing early presentations of its next home console hardware" . It's going under the name Wii HD, suggesting a significant graphical overhaul.

Davison admits details are sketchy but says his sources are pointing towards "a greater emphasis on digitally distributed and backwardly compatible content". Nintendo will once again focus on innovating the console's controller.

Davison, who is extremely well connected and respected in the game industry, points towards surging R&D costs at Nintendo as supporting evidence of his story.

Nothing major, but does line up with what we are hearing today. It's just good to know that Nintendo has been refining this idea for quite some time.
Title: Wii 2 Breakdown
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 10:10:25 PM
Wii 2 Breakdown

-Codenamed "Project Café"
-To be revealed @ E3 2011
-Architecture similar to Xbox360, porting titles from 360 should be very easy
-Fully Backwards Compatible - Plays GameCube and Wii games, and support all Wii peripherals
-Specs : CPU is custom IBM PowerPC with three cores, GPU should be an ATI from the R700 family (Radeon 4000 HD series), with a shader unit at version 4.1. Ram should be at least 512MB.
-Controller is a touch tablet that can stream content from the console
-Controller Specs : 6-inch screen, single touch (?no multi touch?), front camera, acts as a wii sensor bar, has a d-pad, 2 shoulder buttons, two triggers, and a full set of standard buttons (A, B, X, Y) & 2 analogs.
-Should be released between mid 2012 (in Japan?), and holiday season 2012(U.S.?)
-A big surprise about he console is to be revealed @ E3 (June 7th 2011)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2011, 10:21:46 PM
I'm curious - if the controller "acts as the sensor bar", A) What's it interacting with (i.e.: is there a Kinect-like camera?) and B) Wouldn't this new beast still need a regular(-ish) sensor bar to work with Wii titles?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2011, 10:25:46 PM
My guess is the controller has 2 IR lights and you set it infront of the TV facing you and then you use your old Wii remotes, or the Wiimote 2.0's for whatever the game you are playing requires.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2011, 11:02:28 PM
If the tech actually is what is being reported thats not even 2010... Its more like the took the current tech from 2008 and made a console out of it.  I'm very very disappointed if thats the case and I would hope it wouldn't be more than $200.  Thats just super disappointing.  My POS computer is the same as that bar not being PPC.

Thats just getting into the realm of what the HD consoles can do, not being a generation ahead.  This is where I would expect the 3DS to be equivalently, not driving as much real estate.

I'm sure it will work out fine and developers will slave over getting the best out of it but I now don't expect to be truly wowed regularly by it.  In fact I expect Phones to pass it by not more than 1-2 years after its released.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2011, 11:16:12 PM
Phones? You're kidding right? Phones haven't even passed the DS yet. Good luck on that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 15, 2011, 11:16:27 PM
Black N Mild is DOMINATING in this thread. DOMINATING.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2011, 12:11:50 AM
I like speculation and rumors as much as the next gamer, but Cheesus Christ... What the hell happened here? Does anyone actually believe any of this? Sure, some of it may come true, but most of it is utter bullshit. I remember the nonsense people were saying before the Wii Remote was unveiled. Nintendo doesn't allow these kinds of leaks to happen.
Let's think about this for a second. Nintendo is obviously not gonna abandon the casual market that they so effortlessly conquered. But what is your common casual gonna think about the announcement of new hardware to replace their hardware? "Why would I want a new Wii when my current Wii works perfectly fine." "I'm gonna have to buy all new games for it? what about he games I already own?"
I've heard this reasoning before and it's built on the assumption that casual gamers think like traditional gamers. Considering casual gamers are designated "casual," that entire segment of the market is fickle by nature. They don't play or buy videogames nearly as often as the so-called hardcore. It's impossible to sustain interest from the casual market without constantly innovating. Casual gamers will replace hardware if they're given a reason to; when they're old devices can't do what newer devices can. That's why people buy new computers, phones, etc. What's going to sell Nintendo's next console to casual gamers is something that no one has ever seen before. It's the reason the Wii became a mainstream hit. You can't ease casual gamers into new hardware. That's a myth and a silly one. Nintendo can have motion controls and backwards compatibility which are both great, but innovation is going to sell their next console and there is no "easing in." If it's appealing enough, people will jump in.
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So to comfortably bring over the Casuals that may want to play newer games but not be with out the games they already own and then also bring over the Core gamers that never bought in and are likely to visit the back catalog is to provide FULL BC. If Nintendo can do Full BC (like Wii w/ GC) without breaking the bank to make it happen (like PS3) then it would be stupid of them not to do it.
Except casual gamers wouldn't be without the games they already own because they already own a Wii. That console they bought but probably stopped playing doesn't suddenly cease to be once Nintendo releases new hardware and I would bet that these same casual gamers don't typically trade games into Gamestop. If they bought crap like Deca Sports, they probably still have it. Additionally, if core gamers didn't buy a Wii, backwards compatibility is NOT going to change their minds about Wii games because they didn't find those games appealing to begin with. Otherwise, they'd already own a Wii. Backwards compatibility is a luxury, not a necessity. However, like I said in the post you quoted, "Nintendo will put backwards compatibility in if they can." (italics added for emphasis) I'm not denying that. It's a nice thing to have; just not a dealbreaker by any stretch of the imagination. The whole reason this even came up was if Nintendo ditched optical media, meaning backwards compatibility is physically impossible since the console would flat out not have a disc drive. In that instance, Nintendo would be just fine as long as their next console does something new that any gamer can embrace.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on April 16, 2011, 12:26:37 AM
and it begins....... I got to say it, there's nothing better than pre announcement jitters and rumor mongering in these forums. I think these moments are what bring the best out of us and these forums in particular. These are the few times where I'm checking these forums every half hour like clockwork on my cell phone to see what rumors have cropped up and to read everyone's input on the subject. This is definitely good reading lol.

As for my take on all this news? At first, I couldn't believe it. Nintendo is so secretive, to have all this dropped on us in practically 24 hrs is unheard of which leads me to believe Nintendo's hands are all over this. I'm thinking Nintendo dropped this bag of nuggets on us (the internet) to see what kind of reaction everyone was going to have. I think based on the overall feel they percieve from the internet buzz/feedback they will make slight adjustments to the hardware for the better before the doors are opened come June/E3. This is all wishfull thinking on my part though as Nintendo could probably care less what anyone thinks and just keep moving at their own pace regardless of the industry. Hey, it seems to have been working for them all these years. Regardless of what we feel about the decisions they've made, they continue to print money and hord it for a rainy day.

My take on the potential system itself is overyly positive so far. I'm in the camp of gamer that, although I have a 1080p hdtv with a full surround sound setup, my wife takes up the tv for most of the time we're together and she rarely is in the mood to watch me play video games (unless its something cinematic like Mass Effect lol) This new system will solve alot of my issues as I'll finally be able to play my console games without having to wait for her to go to bed lol.

Also, this system will provide some seriously sweet LAN parties. If everyone brings their tablet remotes to a friends house, they can all have a Modern Warfare fragfest on their own dedicated screens.

Hearing all the details also got me thinking that Nintendo could be attempting to connect the ds line with their home console. With this system, we can maybe have a full HD Professor Layton game on our home console. Provide Layton with a tablet in the game so in turn, using the tablet remote in real life will build a solid connection to Layton. It'll be as if your hands will be an extention of his.

All in all, this is so far out there and we still don't know what other suprises Nintendo has in store. I'd be weary of any other company attempting this but given this is Nintendo, I can't wait to see what sort of games they have in mind for this design. Remember, Nintendo usually builds their controllers with a certain gameplay in mind so they must be deep in developement on said games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 16, 2011, 12:32:41 AM
A clear example of this is that no one has a problem with the second stick being off-center, because it is still usable.
I have a problem with it, that's one reason why I don't like dual-analogue. That, and most games don't use the left stick and D-pad at the same time, yet somehow I'm expected to use the right stick and face buttons at the same time. One stick is plenty.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2011, 02:59:11 AM
Something else I was gonna post last night(my computer reset and I can't remember where the links are now) was actually from a little over a month ago. An AMD employee was talking about how he was on the team that was working on a new chip for a next generation console due for release at the end of 2012. He said this back in the beginning of march. It's an AMD Fusion based design which is combined CPU/GPU upto 4cores @ 28nm and if I remember correctly, is the same type of design AMD did for MS with the Xbox Slim to eliminate the RRoD for Slim models.

Just wanted to add more info;

This employee said that they were originally targeted for an end of 2012 release, and that They had already been working on the chip for a little more than a year (this was said back in March) and that chipd esigns like this usually take about 2 years. But then after that he said that they were told to pull in their schedules, meaning they needed to get this chip ready before the original date, which I would assume was early 2012 for fab and assembly in the consoles by late 2012.

(http://www.abload.de/img/11-10-10-amd6002k7lt.jpg)

Educated guesses are leaning towards the Trinity
2-4 cores & DX11 capable

If this is true and Nintendo isn't scaling it back, then this chip should easily low the PS360 out of the water based on the things I've heard, considering that the X360 (the HD console with the stronger GPU) is based on this design: http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/other/Pages/x1900-specifications.aspx
and I'm guessing that the Trinity won't be completed till sometime later this year at the earliest.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 08:22:57 AM
Phones? You're kidding right? Phones haven't even passed the DS yet. Good luck on that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Focus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Focus)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS)

Look at the Tech Specs.  I have a Focus and let me tell you there are some games that look better than the PSP.

Something else I was gonna post last night(my computer reset and I can't remember where the links are now) was actually from a little over a month ago. An AMD employee was talking about how he was on the team that was working on a new chip for a next generation console due for release at the end of 2012. He said this back in the beginning of march. It's an AMD Fusion based design which is combined CPU/GPU upto 4cores @ 28nm and if I remember correctly, is the same type of design AMD did for MS with the Xbox Slim to eliminate the RRoD for Slim models.

Just wanted to add more info;

This employee said that they were originally targeted for an end of 2012 release, and that They had already been working on the chip for a little more than a year (this was said back in March) and that chipd esigns like this usually take about 2 years. But then after that he said that they were told to pull in their schedules, meaning they needed to get this chip ready before the original date, which I would assume was early 2012 for fab and assembly in the consoles by late 2012.

(http://www.abload.de/img/11-10-10-amd6002k7lt.jpg)

Educated guesses are leaning towards the Trinity
2-4 cores & DX11 capable

If this is true and Nintendo isn't scaling it back, then this chip should easily low the PS360 out of the water based on the things I've heard, considering that the X360 (the HD console with the stronger GPU) is based on this design: http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/other/Pages/x1900-specifications.aspx (http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/other/Pages/x1900-specifications.aspx)
and I'm guessing that the Trinity won't be completed till sometime later this year at the earliest.


The only problem with that is that I'm sure the Trinity is x86 and not PPC.  Not to say they couldn't be based around the same tech and all.  Get a trinity derivative.  Also Nintendo historically likes to own the chip design so they can lower costs later.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 16, 2011, 10:52:27 AM
A clear example of this is that no one has a problem with the second stick being off-center, because it is still usable.
I have a problem with it, that's one reason why I don't like dual-analogue. That, and most games don't use the left stick and D-pad at the same time, yet somehow I'm expected to use the right stick and face buttons at the same time. One stick is plenty.

Two sticks are necessary for games where you need one to control your character's movement and another to control the direction they are looking. COD and other FPS games are a perfect example of this. How can you aim your gun and move your character at the same time with only one stick? This was a big issue on the N64 which only had one stick. The controller had those yellow camera buttons which were intended to move the camera around, but it didn't work very well in practice and it was clear another stick was needed.

So I have no problem with controllers having two sticks, because I feel that's how many is needed. The issue I have is the placement of those sticks. The dualshock is obviously a rush job where the sticks were just tacked on. It is obvious that the Dualshock was not designed from the ground up with analog input in mind. The GC controller, however, was.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2011, 11:17:21 AM

Something else I was gonna post last night(my computer reset and I can't remember where the links are now) was actually from a little over a month ago. An AMD employee was talking about how he was on the team that was working on a new chip for a next generation console due for release at the end of 2012. He said this back in the beginning of march. It's an AMD Fusion based design which is combined CPU/GPU upto 4cores @ 28nm and if I remember correctly, is the same type of design AMD did for MS with the Xbox Slim to eliminate the RRoD for Slim models.


Just wanted to add more info;


This employee said that they were originally targeted for an end of 2012 release, and that They had already been working on the chip for a little more than a year (this was said back in March) and that chipd esigns like this usually take about 2 years. But then after that he said that they were told to pull in their schedules, meaning they needed to get this chip ready before the original date, which I would assume was early 2012 for fab and assembly in the consoles by late 2012.


(http://www.abload.de/img/11-10-10-amd6002k7lt.jpg)


Educated guesses are leaning towards the Trinity
2-4 cores & DX11 capable


The only problem with that is that I'm sure the Trinity is x86 and not PPC.  Not to say they couldn't be based around the same tech and all.  Get a trinity derivative.  Also Nintendo historically likes to own the chip design so they can lower costs later.
Remember that AMD took the MS 3core PPC and fusioned it to their GPU and that's how we got the 360Slim. I'm sure Nintendo likely has their own custom multi-core PPC design and are having AMD fuse it with their current line of GPU.

Remember what the AMD guy said, and I paraphrase :
"We have been working on this chip for a next gen console for over a year. The console is due at the end of 2012 and the chip we are designing for it is part of our roadmap. We were told recently to bring in our schedule, which is typically 2 years long.... I think I'm still under NDA with all of this"

I could quote the guy directly, but I think he's already said too much and I don't want to risk his job with direct links spreading all over the internet. Paraphrased comments will have to do for now.

-------------------------

I also want to clarify on some mis-translations from yesterday.

Wii 2 Breakdown

-Codenamed "Project Café"
-To be revealed @ E3 2011
-Architecture similar to Xbox360, porting titles from 360 should be very easy
-Fully Backwards Compatible - Plays GameCube and Wii games, and support all Wii peripherals (1)
-Specs : CPU is custom IBM PowerPC with three cores, GPU should be an ATI from the R700 family (Radeon 4000 HD series), with a shader unit at version 4.1. Ram should be at least 512MB. (2)
-Controller is a touch tablet that can stream content from the console
-Controller Specs : 6-inch screen, single touch (?no multi touch?), front camera, acts as a wii sensor bar (3), has a d-pad, 2 shoulder buttons, two triggers, and a full set of standard buttons (A, B, X, Y) & 2 analogs.
-Should be released between mid 2012 (in Japan?), and holiday season 2012(U.S.?)
-A big surprise about he console is to be revealed @ E3 (June 7th 2011)

What was actually said was that;
(1)There was no mention of BC, but since it has a similar architecture, there is no reason why it couldn't have full BC with the Wii and it's peripherals

(2)It has a similar architecture to Xbox360 which has a 3core CPU and 512MB of RAM. It also has graphics that are better than x360 meaning that it should have something more modern like a R700 series GPU

(3)The controller has IR emitters/sensors like the sensor bar for Wii

everything else seems accurate to the 01.net report which is in French:
http://www.01net.com/editorial/531680/project-cafe-ce-qui-reste-a-eclaircir-a-propos-de-la-wii-2/ (http://www.01net.com/editorial/531680/project-cafe-ce-qui-reste-a-eclaircir-a-propos-de-la-wii-2/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 16, 2011, 11:38:41 AM
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(1)What was actually said was that there was no mention of BC , but since it has a similar architecture, there is no reason why it couldn't have full BC with the Wii and it's peripherals

(2)It has a similar architecture to Xbox360 which has a 3core CPU and 512MB of RAM, and has graphics that are better than x360 meaning that it should have atleast a R700 series GPU


It would be great if it not only had BC with the Wii, but also with the 360 as well.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 16, 2011, 12:06:58 PM
Want I want to know is, how the heck do you play Wii Sports with a six inch touch screen? Is this thing modular?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chiller on April 16, 2011, 01:19:42 PM
...It's an AMD Fusion based design which is combined CPU/GPU upto 4cores @ 28nm and if I remember correctly, is the same type of design AMD did for MS with the Xbox Slim to eliminate the RRoD for Slim models.

(http://www.abload.de/img/11-10-10-amd6002k7lt.jpg)

Educated guesses are leaning towards the Trinity
2-4 cores & DX11 capable


Is this to say that it would be 28nm tech, or just that it is one of the available specs?  If so, they would not be using the Trinity, as the color-coded chart shows it to be 32nm.  The 28nm processor would be the "Krishna", which, according to the chart, is meant for small form-factors.

Of, this is all assuming they are using AMD's designs, and that this chart is an accurate depiction of their projected progress.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 16, 2011, 01:23:30 PM
COD and other FPS games are a perfect example of this. How can you aim your gun and move your character at the same time with only one stick? This was a big issue on the N64 which only had one stick.
The answer to this problem is the Wii pointer, a setup which is infinitely superior to dual-analogue. Though even the Nintendo 64 setup was better; I used the C-buttons for movement, and it was a lot easier to press the A and B buttons from there than it is to move my thumb off a stick and press the face buttons. Call of Duty has a lot of functions and it's really clunky to have to take a thumb away from a stick and therefore stop moving for a second to press a button.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2011, 03:39:42 PM
Is this to say that it would be 28nm tech, or just that it is one of the available specs?  If so, they would not be using the Trinity, as the color-coded chart shows it to be 32nm.  The 28nm processor would be the "Krishna", which, according to the chart, is meant for small form-factors.

Of, this is all assuming they are using AMD's designs, and that this chart is an accurate depiction of their projected progress.

That is my mistake, when I originally typed it up I put it as Krishna and then tried to correct it and put Trinity when I meant Fusion the entire time. No one is sure of the manufacture process that will be used, but Trinity was the processor that seemed to fit Nintendo the best in the timeline.
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Post by: Azrael on April 16, 2011, 03:55:48 PM
(http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/7307/controllermockup.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2011, 04:01:24 PM
Wait, I'm getting a little hazy here. While the principle of grouping the CPU and GPU from IBM and AMD on the same die is along the same principle as AMD Fusion, it's not the same thing as AMD Fusion since anything Fusion based would employ a CPU from AMD, not IBM. I guess what I'm confused about is if the next-gen Nintendo console rumors currently making the rounds on the interwebs are once again pairing an IBM PowerPC based CPU with an AMD GPU like Wii/Gamecube, what does this have to do with AMD Fusion? Furthermore, I'm not sure IBM's PowerPC and AMD Fusion are even compatible. I would imagine if Nintendo ditches IBM's PowerPC based chip design in favor of something AMD Fusion based, backwards compatibility would have to be done through emulation, similar to how Xbox games had to be emulated on 360 when Microsoft switched from Intel/Nvidia to IBM/ATi CPU-GPU. It wouldn't the same thing as the Wii just going into Gamecube mode when a GCN disc is inserted.

It would makes sense for Nintendo to press the reset button on their commissioned chip design and start over with something developers may be more comfortable with, considering no 3rd party developer other than Factor 5 ever bothered to take advantage of the Flipper/Hollywood since everything had to be custom written with TEV. That said, if something Fusion derived makes it easier for 3rd party developers to more easily port from PS3/360/PC to Nintendo's next generation console (or vice versa if Nintendo can manage to become the lead platform for development), that's clearly a better choice. 3rd parties are more likely to embrace development on Nintendo's next console if it requires less work and less money. It doesn't matter how Nintendo gets higher quality games on their next console so long as they get them at all, especially since there are far fewer 3rd party exclusives these days.
Title: Project Pikmin now on Project Cafe
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2011, 04:34:37 PM
Pikmin 3 now gardening on Project Cafe; also Nintendo in talks with Rockstar (again)
http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/wii/rumour-pikmin-coming-to-project-cafe-nintendo-talking-with-rockstar/ (http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/wii/rumour-pikmin-coming-to-project-cafe-nintendo-talking-with-rockstar/)
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Some key inside sources have told me that Nintendo has moved Pikmin 3 from the original Wii to their new console, which is currently being codenamed, “Project Cafe”.  I have been told that this new Pikmin game will indeed be at E3 in video form.  When Pikmin 3 was in development, a decision was made that the boosted graphics from the next Nintendo console would add an extra benefit to create more realistic grass, dirt, mud, rocks, and water in the game.  The extra graphics horsepower would allow little extra environment details that couldn’t be done on the original Wii.  People who have seen the game have told me that it looks drop dead gorgeous.

imagine this
(http://i.imgur.com/FoVKX.jpg)

Another thing I’ve been told is that Nintendo is trying to build a better relationship with Rockstar Games to get them to throw major support on the next Nintendo console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2011, 04:48:22 PM
Wait, I'm getting a little hazy here. While the principle of grouping the CPU and GPU from IBM and AMD on the same die is along the same principle as AMD Fusion, it's not the same thing as AMD Fusion since anything Fusion based would employ a CPU from AMD, not IBM. I guess what I'm confused about is if the next-gen Nintendo console rumors currently making the rounds on the interwebs are once again pairing an IBM PowerPC based CPU with an AMD GPU like Wii/Gamecube, what does this have to do with AMD Fusion? Furthermore, I'm not sure IBM's PowerPC and AMD Fusion are even compatible. I would imagine if Nintendo ditches IBM's PowerPC based chip design in favor of something AMD Fusion based, backwards compatibility would have to be done through emulation, similar to how Xbox games had to be emulated on 360 when Microsoft switched from Intel/Nvidia to IBM/ATi CPU-GPU. It wouldn't the same thing as the Wii just going into Gamecube mode when a GCN disc is inserted.

It would makes sense for Nintendo to press the reset button on their commissioned chip design and start over with something developers may be more comfortable with, considering no 3rd party developer other than Factor 5 ever bothered to take advantage of the Flipper/Hollywood since everything had to be custom written with TEV. That said, if something Fusion derived makes it easier for 3rd party developers to more easily port from PS3/360/PC to Nintendo's next generation console (or vice versa if Nintendo can manage to become the lead platform for development), that's clearly a better choice. 3rd parties are more likely to embrace development on Nintendo's next console if it requires less work and less money. It doesn't matter how Nintendo gets higher quality games on their next console so long as they get them at all, especially since there are far fewer 3rd party exclusives these days.

I'm no expert on this subject but to my understanding AMD won the contract for Xbox360 Slim and X720. With 360Slim, they combined the current PPC chip the Xbox uses with the current AMD GPU that the 360 uses onto a single chip using their "fusion" process.

Supposedly the next AMD project for consoles was to do almost the same exact thing, and it is being assumed it is for Nintendo since the project they are working on was for a console that was slated to be released by end of 2012.

MS just put up job posting for designing/working on their next generation console this year, and "AMD" has said that they have been working on this particular chip for over a year, so it would make sense to assume that what "AMD" is working on is not for MS.

As to whether or not "Fusion" is what was used to get the 360Slim onto a singe chip, I don't know, but what they are working on for this next console (due in 2012) is in their current pipeline and their current pipeline is Fusion.

IBM is the one that came out and said they were working on chips for both Sony & Nintendo (cell infused PPC's), so it would also make sense, knowing what AMD has already done for MS, that AMD could be doing the same for Nintendo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 05:14:10 PM
Conceptually it wouldn't be that hard it just be making space and the CPU and gpu soils talk like they always do except their connections be faster and more direct. 

I could definitely see Pikmin 3 being put off to take advantage of the better graphics.  That series has always strikes me as wanting to get the environment photorealistic.  Not to mention having the horsepower to Support larger hordes and I think it be a natural fit for another screen.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 16, 2011, 05:18:09 PM
If Nintendo is talking with Rockstar then could GTA 5 be a Wii 2 launch title?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 05:24:06 PM
If Nintendo is talking with Rockstar then could GTA 5 be a Wii 2 launch title?
Rockstar Ping-pong ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2011, 06:00:58 PM
AMD demonstrating HD streaming tech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8omefUZik
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 16, 2011, 07:17:18 PM
(http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/7307/controllermockup.jpg)

This is a good mockup, but its missing a D-Pad, and I can't see Nintendo omitting that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on April 16, 2011, 07:40:55 PM
It's not going to be in the shape of a remote, guys. Get over it. ;)

It's time to go back to what's functional, and what works... with a bit of added flair this time around.
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Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 07:46:40 PM
It's not going to be in the shape of a remote, guys. Get over it. ;)

It's time to go back to what's functional, and what works... with a bit of added flair this time around.

The controller is going to wear pins!

Points if you can tell me what's that is a reference too.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 16, 2011, 07:50:29 PM
It's not going to be in the shape of a remote, guys. Get over it. ;)

It's time to go back to what's functional, and what works... with a bit of added flair this time around.
What makes you think that? Why would Nintendo abandon the perfectly functional Wiimote which has sold 80 million systems and probably at least twice that many Wiimotes in favour of a design from systems that barely managed to sell half of the Wii and lost billions of dollars for their respective companies?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on April 16, 2011, 08:07:01 PM
It's not going to be in the shape of a remote, guys. Get over it. ;)

It's time to go back to what's functional, and what works... with a bit of added flair this time around.
What makes you think that? Why would Nintendo abandon the perfectly functional Wiimote which has sold 80 million systems and probably at least twice that many Wiimotes in favour of a design from systems that barely managed to sell half of the Wii and lost billions of dollars for their respective companies?
Perfectly functional? I beg to differ. Every... and I mean EVERY stinking Wii game I've played and owned (I have over 40 Wii games) has at least some minute fault in its motion control. Whether it's waggle not functioning as a "button", accelerometer based movements not registering properly, or gyroscopic bending/twisting/turning not recognizing said movements... this blasted Wii remote is far.. FAR from perfectly functional. Even Sony's Move is nowhere near those terms.

Get your head out of the sand. Nintendo experimented with a motion-based control system because they knew it would gain them enormous amounts of money from the so-called "casual" crowd -- which is why they wore out the terms "blue ocean" so much. Now that they have the money, and now that technology is much further along with what they wanted to do all along with the GBA/GC connectivity stuff... makes the time right to deploy what they envisioned so many years ago. "Project Cafe" screams social networking and social gaming. This is gonna be a console that brings together gamers both physically to play and online, too.

The one rumor that I fully believe is absolutely legit is the notion that this new controller has a built in IR-sensor... using it as a "sensor bar" on top of your TV will allow you to connect your Wii remotes to the new console (which also tells us that the new system uses bluetooth controllers once again.. yay). In turn, this allows for motion gaming (still.. ugh) and backwards compatibility with any Wii games.

Once again...Nintendo made their money. Now it's time to show the little boys how big boy games are made.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 16, 2011, 08:26:22 PM
I just meant that it was functional in a practical way, not a technical one (though I don't agree with every issue you mentioned). There's no reason to go back to some "traditional" controller that a smaller portion of the market cares about, they're just going to tweak the Wiimote and Nunchuk, giving them better motion sensors, and maybe a few more buttons and a different design. Nintendo didn't enter another market, their goal was to expand the existing market, so they aren't just going to toss away the whole Wii concept and designs - and with it the largest portion of the market - just to please a few HD console fans.

Like it or not, the Wiimote is a new standard. Notice how Nintendo didn't toss out the touchscreen or two screens or any other functionality of the DS when they made the 3DS, so there's no way they are going to toss out anything about the Wii controller. They are going for both the "casual" and "hardcore" market.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on April 16, 2011, 08:33:52 PM
I just meant that it was functional in a practical way, not a technical one (though I don't agree with every issue you mentioned). There's no reason to go back to some "traditional" controller that a smaller portion of the market cares about, they're just going to tweak the Wiimote and Nunchuk, giving them better motion sensors, and maybe a few more buttons and a different design. Nintendo didn't enter another market, their goal was to expand the existing market, so they aren't just going to toss away the whole Wii concept and designs - and with it the largest portion of the market - just to please a few HD console fans.

Like it or not, the Wiimote is a new standard. Notice how Nintendo didn't toss out the touchscreen or two screens or any other functionality of the DS when they made the 3DS, so there's no way they are going to toss out anything about the Wii controller. They are going for both the "casual" and "hardcore" market.
See, I wanna know what this "smaller portion" is that you're talking about. Because when I see the NPD results of every month, I see only "core" type games completely blowing almost every Wii game out of the proverbial water. So you can't really use those terms here either. It's incorrect.

And who says Nintendo's going to stop catering to the casual crowd with the Wii? With all the money they've made, and their marketing know-how, they can fully justify keeping the Wii going for several years on end even after this new console debuts. The casuals can have their console, and rest of the gaming populace (i.e. real gamers) can fall in love with Nintendo's new effort just like we did with the SNES and n64 ('Cube, too, for some).  After all, Sony DID keep the PS2 truck rolling many years after the PS3 debuted.


I'm just thrilled to death because it sounds like Nintendo is going back to what made them awesome in the first place -- a console with superior graphics/sound/gameplay that fully stands apart from the competition -- but with this go-around... a BIG emphasis on finally bringing gamers together socially to play locally or online. THAT, to me, is Nintendo's next evolutionary step.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 08:36:20 PM
When Move works it works well I just have a problem getting it to work.  I have to agree with Rachtman, their isn't a Wii game I can say I had a 100% reliable control experience with.  Though their is 1 Game where the Wii control really weren't that great but, I went and replayed it on PS3 controller and they were worse.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on April 16, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
Oh, absolutely, Ceric. And I agree with your last statement, too.

For example, I'm seriously considering picking up Tiger Woods '12. Am I going to buy it for the Wii using Motion Plus, or do I opt to get it for my PS3 -- in turn having to buy a Move controller to get it's functionality out?  Nah, I'll pick it up for the Wii... primarily because last year's version had some pretty slick play control -- it wasn't perfect, but it was awesome.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 16, 2011, 08:41:00 PM
Maybe, but the Wii top ten overall games sold is far more than the other two systems. It may be having some issues right now, but new games like Donkey Kong Country Returns still go on to sell millions even if they don't chart.

Sony continued the PS2 because the PS3 practically bombed. They wanted people to buy a PS3, but few actually were for some time. So that isn't a good example, because they had no choice. Besides, if Wii software isn't selling as you claim, what would be the point of continuing the Wii? Nintendo needs to push the new system to keep people interested in their products and games. And like the 3DS proves, one system can successfully appeal to all types of gamers. It just needs to strike the right balance, and Nintendo seems to admit the Wii has not.

You can degrade gamers outside of the "hardcore" if you want (me included) by insisting they aren't "real" gamers, but they still exist.
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Post by: Sarail on April 16, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
But the problem is the types of games that are million sellers for the Wii -- not the fact that they go on to sell millions of copies.  The majority of it is all casual-focused garbage. C'mon... Just Dance, Carnival Games, Wii Play? Seriously. Those aren't games that I'd be proud to stand by as a claim. Sure, DKCR is selling decently well, but still nowhere near as well as the majority of core type games out there. And I hate that, because as a Nintendo core type gamer, it makes me upset to see that more people won't give it a chance like they do all of the Call of Dutys and whatnot.

A new traditional type console could get things rolling in that direction again, though. But Nintendo's gotta market it correctly. That's the key. GOT to establish better third-party relationships.


I'm not degrading them when I use that terminology at all. My sister plays the Wii like a mad woman... she loves the bowling on Wii Sports. But is she a "real gamer"? Of course not. And she'll even tell you that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 16, 2011, 08:53:54 PM
4 million+ sold isn't very good? How many other games have sold that much? For reference, only 3 games on the PS3 have sold more than that number.

I still don't understand the "traditional" sentiment. Just because motion controls appeal to people who've never played games before doesn't mean they can't be used for all different types of games that appeal to more seasoned gamers too. The technology just needs to get to a point where it can be accurate, and Nintendo will make that happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 16, 2011, 09:09:49 PM
Should we start a naming price pole for the new Wii console?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 09:33:45 PM
$299.99 Mark my Word on it.  Oh and we should do Price is Right Rules and probably start a seperate thread.
Thread Made: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667323 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.msg667323)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2011, 11:06:43 PM
As to whether or not "Fusion" is what was used to get the 360Slim onto a singe chip, I don't know, but what they are working on for this next console (due in 2012) is in their current pipeline and their current pipeline is Fusion.

IBM is the one that came out and said they were working on chips for both Sony & Nintendo (cell infused PPC's), so it would also make sense, knowing what AMD has already done for MS, that AMD could be doing the same for Nintendo.
Fusion is an AMD brand for processors that combine the CPU and GPU on a single die, not the process of combining the CPU and GPU on a single die. Several companies have done this so this isn't AMD exclusive by any means. From what I understand, what AMD did for Microsoft for the 360 S has nothing to do with their Fusion line. It seems built strictly for heat reduction rather than heat reduction AND efficiency. Announced in 2006, Fusion was built from the ground up to pair AMD's CPU technology with the GPU technology they acquired when they bought out ATi and take advantage of a unified system. Nintendo could have AMD put an IBM CPU and an AMD GPU on a single die but that still has nothing to do with AMD Fusion. I guess that was what was throwing me off. Looking at AMD's Fusion roadmap doesn't give you an idea of where Nintendo may be going with their next generation console unless they use Fusion or something Fusion derived.

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the difference is between an APU (Accelerated Processing Unit, what AMD is calling Fusion) and a system-on-a-chip.

From what I've been able to gather, Nintendo has made no announcements regarding it's next generation CPU so IBM may be in the running, especially considering their history with Nintendo, but no contracts have been signed (that we know of). I doubt Nintendo would be happy with IBM dropping this info well before they were ready to even announce a next generation console. That's very un-Nintendo-like.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2011, 11:40:41 PM
IBM didn't necessarily come out and say what they were working on, just that they were working on chips for Sony & Nintendo's next gen systems.

They then went on to state how their Power line would have cell integrated and Power chips would be able to do the things that cell does.

And I admit I don't know a whole lot about this, so I appreciate you explaining it, I also put Fusion in "" because I know it was a specific line, I was just using it as a reference for combining two chips like they did for 360 Slim. but I'm just dropping the puzzle pieces on the table here and trying to see how they all fit together.

AMD guys says what he says about pipeline, so I look at their published pipeline. IBM says what they say, so I assume they are both working together. Just putting 2+2 together and seeing what I come up with.

I'll requote the IBM guy;
Quote
IBM is working with gaming machine vendors including Nintendo and Sony, said Jai Menon, CTO of IBM's Systems and Technology Group, during an interview Thursday. "We want to stay in the business, we intend to stay in the business," he said.
[...]
"I think you'll see [Cell] integrated into our future Power road map. That's the way to think about it as opposed to a separate line -- it'll just get integrated into the next line of things that we do," Menon said. "But certainly, we're working with all of the game folks to provide our capabilities into those next-generation machines."

Menon did not elaborate on specific chip and hardware developments for gaming systems, but said its Power processors have capabilities that are similar to those of the Cell chips.

"The kinds of things you used to be able to do with the Cell you can do in ... [the] Power line," Menon said.

What I noticed when I had first post this was that IBM made no mention of Microsoft, so maybe when the AMD guy mentioned his roadmap, maybe he was referring to MS using a Fusion APU. MS has been with the 360 for going on 6 years now, so a new system next year wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities.
That thought was just kinda layed to the side when MS posted jobs for next generation console development 2 months ago. Made me think they were just gearing up the planning stages for a release in 2 years (2013).


Mix this info with the rumors of the last 2 days, and you figure the pieces have to fit the same puzzle. I might have it all wrong, or slightly confused and mixed up, but I'm only speculating based on what info is out there. So all insight on what is and isn't possible, what does and doesn't make and why is always welcome.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: RABicle on April 17, 2011, 12:54:41 AM
Pietriots is reporting that WiiHD will hve 14 cores in it's gigaflops. I was skeptical at first but they backed it up with another, more solid rumour.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 17, 2011, 08:10:40 PM
I know everyone has been having a had time imagining what the Wii2 controller must look like assuming that it has a 6" screen and full Wii BC.

The only thing I could think of that made sense was something similar to the uDraw tablet, but with a touch screen instead of a drawing surface. I would also imagine the Wiimote being on the right side instead of the left.  Anyways, someone made a drawing that captures that thought perfectly;

(http://i.imgur.com/dWjvD.png)

That is pretty close to what I was picturing, and reversible too.
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Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
I know everyone has been having a had time imagining what the Wii2 controller must look like assuming that it has a 6" screen and full Wii BC.

The only thing I could think of that made sense was something similar to the uDraw tablet, but with a touch screen instead of a drawing surface. I would also imagine the Wiimote being on the right side instead of the left.  Anyways, someone made a drawing that captures that thought perfectly;

(http://i.imgur.com/dWjvD.png)

That is pretty close to what I was picturing, and reversible too.
I would say that hand grips be part of it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2011, 08:59:09 PM
But what about motion games that require a nunchuck? Maybe the Nunchuck snaps onto the opposing side of the screen?
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Post by: Stogi on April 17, 2011, 09:07:55 PM
That mock up looks extremely cumbersome. I'm not saying it's not bad, but I hope Nintendo has a better solution; again, if the rumors are true.

We all have to remember that Nintendo, despite the rumors that they want to take back the core demographic, have a strong hold with child and child-like ;) gamers. Simplicity is the key to their success and durability is what forged it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 17, 2011, 10:01:45 PM
I just can't see how it would have better motion tracking than Move if it didn't retain the wand like wiimote style.

But maybe it has a Wiimote 2.0 and they package the CCProTouch2.0 in the box too.

this could be more what you like?
(http://i54.tinypic.com/anemhu.jpg)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 17, 2011, 10:03:53 PM
I wish I had one of those Phantasy Star Online keyboard GameCube controllers, because if I did I'd tape my iPad to it and sell the pictures to IGN.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2011, 10:07:11 PM
I wish I had one of those Phantasy Star Online keyboard GameCube controllers, because if I did I'd tape my iPad to it and sell the pictures to IGN.

You can probably find pictures of it online and then photoshop it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 17, 2011, 10:17:22 PM
I wish I had one of those Phantasy Star Online keyboard GameCube controllers, because if I did I'd tape my iPad to it and sell the pictures to IGN.

You can probably find pictures of it online and then photoshop it.

Good enough?
(http://i.imgur.com/4Jy9j.jpg)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2011, 10:21:36 PM
Have that screen display a video of that weird looking Mario. *shudder*
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Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 10:23:10 PM
I wanted one of those because I really loved PSO.  What got me was they pretty much just did a reskinning jove for the new content...

BnM:  Yeah that mock-up be closer to what I was thinking.  Maybe with a dot and a slot up top towards the center for Mic and Camera.  It would have to be fairly light because your going to have to 1 hand it during games every once and a while.  Now if you can make it Indigo it be 100 times better :D.
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Post by: Tanookisuit on April 17, 2011, 10:31:32 PM
For everyone saying, "But how will I play Wii games with that controller?" or, "What about the nunchuck?"  You won't play Wii games with this controller.  You'll use your Wii remotes you already have.  Just like the way play Gamecube games on the Wii with your Wavebirds, not Wii remotes.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 17, 2011, 11:31:11 PM
You know what I have been thinking...

what if the controller is the Wiimote + controller and that is it.

Seriously, the technology in that controller is tight, and many people have already invested a lot of money in those controllers.  But then you say, WAIT!!!  What about better motion controls to move and whatnot, the rumored controller with a screen and Gamecube functionality.

Here is what I am thinking...controllers are all forwards compatible with the Super Wii.  The added function will come from a much better sensor bar that has an additional camera in it, and other features to make for better control using existing Wii controllers. 

Then what about the new controller?  I see IGN playing a semantics game here.  I believe Nintendo will push hard for 3DS controller interactivity, or probably BETTER original DS controller interactivity.  Why not take from Apple and have everything buddy/buddy with each other?

Finally, I see controller sales being increased by a new controller component the Nunchuk + which will include better motion control. 

So with this what do you get in the box of a Super Wii then?  1 Wiimote + controller /  1 Nunchuk + / 1 classic controller.

If you are a casual gamer with the Wiimote + controllers then you ALREADY have accessories for the new system which will help the transition cost.  However, you still need to buy more with the Wiimotion +.  The 3DS will an additional controller which you can stream games to.  What games can you stream?  Special mini games for main series games, additional control options to play with 3DS, and last and most important...Virtual console games....though somehow extremely limited.  Like you can load 1-2 virtual console games into the 3DS to play on the go.

This is what I expect most out of the Super Wii...and makes the MOST logical sense of all the rumors.
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Post by: Stogi on April 17, 2011, 11:37:08 PM
What about the 6" touchscreen? Are you adding the 3DS screens together?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 17, 2011, 11:43:46 PM
Perhaps...I am thinking some of the information is not accurate...or purposefully misinformation. 

But I also could see the 2 screens being connected as plausible as well.  I am just throwing out my theory...and granted it isn't perfect, but it seems logical.  Everything seems to be the most practical move for Nintendo, except maybe the DS/3DS connectivity...but I see that as a bonus feature to link the 2 systems together and for them to promote each other than as a full controller for the new system.
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Post by: Ceric on April 18, 2011, 11:21:42 AM
This is and interesting compilation of the Mock-Ups.
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/04/a-collection-of.php
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 18, 2011, 01:34:26 PM
This is and interesting compilation of the Mock-Ups.
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/04/a-collection-of.php

They didn't add this one

(http://i.imgur.com/3bjxy.jpg)
http://i53.tinypic.com/2afkjva.jpg

this one
(http://i.imgur.com/eBTTX.jpg)

or this one
(http://i.imgur.com/Y13nR.gif)
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Post by: Ceric on April 18, 2011, 01:39:33 PM
That last one is on ipad on a new psp.  How would you even use the second one...
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 18, 2011, 01:41:46 PM
I don't like that last one. Everything is too small and cramped too closely together. Plus the screen is huge and would make it very top heavy. Who would want to use something like that for console gaming? It also looks like it would break or get scratched very easily. All it would take is for someone to leave it on the floor and then someone to step on it and that's $100 down the toilet. Even though its not just kids who are going to be using it, the thing needs to be built durably because even adults can be clumsy at times.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 18, 2011, 01:50:25 PM
Some of those mock-ups don't really take into account any sort of ergonomics or even practicality.  In some of them your hands would cover the screen!  There are a cool decent ones but what I notice with them is they don't get the screen big enough.  A 6" screen is pretty damn big.  A lot of the mockups put it at a GBA sort of size.  That seems more practical to me but it isn't what Nintendo is rumoured to be doing.

I maintain that these controllers are going to cost a lot of money and I question how essential the screen and camera are going to be to justify the cost.  Both concepts have been in place on the DS and neither has demonstrated itself to me to be anything but a novelty.  I like having options but the controller shouldn't cost an arm and leg and I don't see how it can't.

If I'm going to pay $100 for a controller that screen better get used all the time.  But touchscreen controls suck so I don't want it to be used all the time.  I want Nintendo to pretend it doesn't exist or I'm going to get more Phantom Hourglass bullshit.  So it's like either I pay for something that is rarely used or it gets shoehorned into every game, making them control like crap.  There is no untapped potential for a touchscreen here.  Nintendo has had a touchscreen as a standard for seven years now.  We're not going to get anything more than what we already got on the DS.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 18, 2011, 04:20:17 PM
I have some concerns about how content is streamed back and forth between the controller screen and the console. What sort of content is it going to be? If its HD/3D stuff then it might take a long time to load the data back and forth, and the more intensive the demands the graphics impose on the controller the more powerful the hardware in the controller needs to be in order to handle it. This might create a new sort of problem we never had to deal with before: controller loading time. Are we going to have to wait for the data to transfer back and forth like we had to wait for the PS1 to load games from a CD? And what about lag? I could see people dying in a game needlessly because it takes too long for their input on the touchscreen to get registered and then sent back to the console for processing.

Plus we all know people are really going to be using the touchscreen to draw pictures of Hitler and penises and Swastikas and other offensive immature stuff. I don't look forward to getting bombarded with that crap when I'm playing online, but we all know that's what will happen. Its already happened in online DS games like Mario Kart. Now its going to be happening on consoles too, and unlike with offensive text there's really no way it can be automatically filtered out.
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Post by: Ceric on April 18, 2011, 04:43:51 PM
I have some concerns about how content is streamed back and forth between the controller screen and the console. What sort of content is it going to be? If its HD/3D stuff then it might take a long time to load the data back and forth, and the more intensive the demands the graphics impose on the controller the more powerful the hardware in the controller needs to be in order to handle it. This might create a new sort of problem we never had to deal with before: controller loading time. Are we going to have to wait for the data to transfer back and forth like we had to wait for the PS1 to load games from a CD? And what about lag? I could see people dying in a game needlessly because it takes too long for their input on the touchscreen to get registered and then sent back to the console for processing.

Plus we all know people are really going to be using the touchscreen to draw pictures of Hitler and penises and Swastikas and other offensive immature stuff. I don't look forward to getting bombarded with that crap when I'm playing online, but we all know that's what will happen. Its already happened in online DS games like Mario Kart. Now its going to be happening on consoles too, and unlike with offensive text there's really no way it can be automatically filtered out.
Think about how your TV gets information from over the air.  I one way stream that is decoded.  Now think about Cable mostly still a one way stream that is being decoded but a bit of usage data is passed back.  The screen would be essentially like a TV with an over the air signal and just decoding what Super Wii tells it and when you click on the screen it just send where you clicked and probably up and down as well.  What we're really talking about is probably less data from the touchscreen portion then the hard buttons.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 18, 2011, 04:50:18 PM
Yeah, I didn't think of controller lag.  I kinda figure Nintendo would consider that to be pretty important.  But then I find motion control to be pretty inaccurate and they didn't seem to care about that.  But then the reaction time was fine, it was more like it didn't know I did anything or thought I did when I didn't or thought I did something else.  I still think Nintendo would not be okay with something as blatant as controller lag.

There has been talk about being able to download stuff to the controller and use it by itself.  For such a thing to be possible the controller would need some sort of basic videogame hardware in itself.

This all seems much more affordable if you shrink the screen down.  Perhaps it's supposed to be 6 cm and those that started the rumour don't know metric units so they assumed 6".  6 cm is 2.4" and is a little bit smaller than the original Game Boy screen or an iPod screen.  That wouldn't work well for a touchscreen though, but it would be a very reasonable size for a controller screen and probably wouldn't jack the cost of the controller to all hell.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 18, 2011, 05:13:32 PM
I have some concerns about how content is streamed back and forth between the controller screen and the console. What sort of content is it going to be? If its HD/3D stuff then it might take a long time to load the data back and forth, and the more intensive the demands the graphics impose on the controller the more powerful the hardware in the controller needs to be in order to handle it. This might create a new sort of problem we never had to deal with before: controller loading time. Are we going to have to wait for the data to transfer back and forth like we had to wait for the PS1 to load games from a CD? And what about lag? I could see people dying in a game needlessly because it takes too long for their input on the touchscreen to get registered and then sent back to the console for processing.

Plus we all know people are really going to be using the touchscreen to draw pictures of Hitler and penises and Swastikas and other offensive immature stuff. I don't look forward to getting bombarded with that crap when I'm playing online, but we all know that's what will happen. Its already happened in online DS games like Mario Kart. Now its going to be happening on consoles too, and unlike with offensive text there's really no way it can be automatically filtered out.
Think about how your TV gets information from over the air.  I one way stream that is decoded.  Now think about Cable mostly still a one way stream that is being decoded but a bit of usage data is passed back.  The screen would be essentially like a TV with an over the air signal and just decoding what Super Wii tells it and when you click on the screen it just send where you clicked and probably up and down as well.  What we're really talking about is probably less data from the touchscreen portion then the hard buttons.

I'll repost this since it might have been overlooked

AMD demonstrating HD streaming tech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8omefUZik

Less lag than your TV or monitor over a wireless stream. the data streaming is not the problem.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 18, 2011, 05:48:52 PM
None of the mock-ups look comfortable to hold. The more I hear about a touchscreen on the controller, the more awful the idea sounds.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 18, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
This has probably already been brought up, but the screen on the controller idea is really just an extension of the speaker in the Wiimote idea.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 18, 2011, 06:30:20 PM
Does this mean we will finally get to have a Zelda Four Swords Adventure sequel?  If so, I'm all for the controller with a screen. :)
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Post by: nickmitch on April 18, 2011, 06:37:58 PM
A touch screen on the controller is an interesting idea, but I really can't believe people are running with this "six inches" part. That's entirley too big. This is still a console, not a tablet hub.
Personally, I liked the Dreamcasts's VMU thing, but felt that it could've been more.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 18, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
This has probably already been brought up, but the screen on the controller idea is really just an extension of the speaker in the Wiimote idea.
What games used the speaker creatively? I have mine muted in the system options because the sound quality is terrible.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 18, 2011, 06:57:40 PM
I tend to keep my Wiimotes muted when I am not playing games but tend to turn it on when playing games. Few games that come to mind is No More Heroes and Twilight Princess.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 18, 2011, 06:59:15 PM
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What games used the speaker creatively? I have mine muted in the system options because the sound quality is terrible.

With Wii Sports I felt having the "pock" sound effect in tennis coming from the remote itself was pretty clever.  But other than that I don't think I've ever even noticed the speaker.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on April 18, 2011, 07:14:05 PM
This has probably already been brought up, but the screen on the controller idea is really just an extension of the speaker in the Wiimote idea.
What games used the speaker creatively? I have mine muted in the system options because the sound quality is terrible.
May I ask how you would know what games use it well when you always have it muted?  Just because it's not great quality does not make it a bad idea.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 18, 2011, 07:28:03 PM
I don't know which games used it creatively, that's why I was asking.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 18, 2011, 09:00:27 PM
No more Heroes 1&2 used it as a phone.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 18, 2011, 09:16:14 PM
Here is a good concept:
 
http://www.infendo.com/tell-us-what-you-know-about-project-cafe/ (http://www.infendo.com/tell-us-what-you-know-about-project-cafe/)
 

 

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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 18, 2011, 09:20:30 PM
Wii 2 controller revealed:

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/geekdad/images/2007/12/09/tamagotchi.jpg)

Note the metallic wrist strap and the three analog sticks beneath the 6" HD screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2011, 01:05:10 AM
More Rumor Teasing, and this time from NintendoLife

Quote from: via tweets
All we can say so far is: don’t believe everything you read online. Other than from us, of course. May hear solid details next week…

(details are) significant enough that we can’t reveal what they are.

(console will be) a combination of everything you would expect from Nintendo and yet surprising at the same time.

Nintendo has sold more handheld consoles than anyone. Why have a controller with a screen in? Why not use DS?

Nintendo is a Japanese company. Why would a secret project have a French name?

source (http://wiihdrumors.com/nintendo-life-teases-wii-hd-details-discredits-project-cafe/)


I also think they are doing a bad job of baiting for hits. But I guess we'll find out some time around the 25th or so.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2011, 02:19:26 AM
01net: Wii2 to launch in June 2012 & R* not only has Wii2 SDK's, but will deliver a game during the launch window.
http://www.01net.com/editorial/531787/lediteur-de-gta-iv-travaille-sur-la-prochaine-console-de-nintendo/ (http://www.01net.com/editorial/531787/lediteur-de-gta-iv-travaille-sur-la-prochaine-console-de-nintendo/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 19, 2011, 12:02:18 PM
I bet Kytim started that rumor.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
01net is the same site that broke NGP way ahead of Sony. They also "speculated"(?) that GTA V is likely the title that R* is delivering in the Launch Window
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 19, 2011, 12:35:09 PM
That would be great. No GTA title has ever appeared on a Nintendo console, so that would be an important milestone, especially to have it as a launch title no less.
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Post by: Ceric on April 19, 2011, 01:07:05 PM
01net is the same site that broke NGP way ahead of Sony. They also "speculated"(?) that GTA V is likely the title that R* is delivering in the Launch Window
Thats sounds to me a Quick way to lose your press rights with a company.

That would be great. No GTA title has ever appeared on a Nintendo console, so that would be an important milestone, especially to have it as a launch title no less.

Could we get Wolfenstein too while we're at it.  Seriously enough GTA doesn't have the draw it use too.  I be more excited by say the Crisis seiries coming as an enhance compilation or Portal as an enhance compilation. (With graphics like they were maxed on a PC)
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 19, 2011, 02:20:58 PM
Getting Rockstar on board, right of the bat, with GTA no less, would set the tone for third party support.  GTA V would not be an exclusive.  I'm certain there would be PS3 and Xbox 360 versions as well.  But the important thing is to be included in multiplatform support.  That is where things are right now.  Third party exclusives have become rare.

A big reason why the Wii has such crap third party support is that by being so different it went against what third parties wanted to do this generation.  They wanted to make multiplatform games so that each game can be sold to all the userbases.  Nintendo probably figured that with their unique controller they would have something the competition didn't and it would attract exclusives.  It didn't work because no one wants to make exclusives anymore.  So we got b-team shovelware content as they scrambled to release something on the Wii.  The third parties did not have a business model that allowed for an incompatible oddball console, no matter how well it sold.

You need a familiar base design that allows for anyone to bring their game to your system.  Then you can have some extra features to get the odd exclusive or extra content.  But that familiar base has to be there.  The unique features have to be an advantage, not a tradeoff.  Last gen Nintendo said "we've got this new motion control" but they made it motion control vs. a hardware boost and in terms of third party support they lost.  They made the mistake of making it a choice.  The Wii 2 should make it so that there is no choice; everything can be done on it and everyone with a brain will bring their games to it.  And then the first party titles, which Nintendo is better at than anyone, makes the difference.

For all the talk about not competing the uniqueness of the Wii made it us vs. them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 19, 2011, 02:26:22 PM
Getting Rockstar on board, right of the bat, with GTA no less, would set the tone for third party support.  GTA V would not be an exclusive.  I'm certain there would be PS3 and Xbox 360 versions as well.  But the important thing is to be included in multiplatform support.  That is where things are right now.  Third party exclusives have become rare.

A big reason why the Wii has such crap third party support is that by being so different it went against what third parties wanted to do this generation.  They wanted to make multiplatform games so that each game can be sold to all the userbases.  Nintendo probably figured that with their unique controller they would have something the competition didn't and it would attract exclusives.  It didn't work because no one wants to make exclusives anymore.  So we got b-team shovelware content as they scrambled to release something on the Wii.  The third parties did not have a business model that allowed for an incompatible oddball console, no matter how well it sold.

You need a familiar base design that allows for anyone to bring their game to your system.  Then you can have some extra features to get the odd exclusive or extra content.  But that familiar base has to be there.  The unique features have to be an advantage, not a tradeoff.  Last gen Nintendo said "we've got this new motion control" but they made it motion control vs. a hardware boost and in terms of third party support they lost.  They made the mistake of making it a choice.  The Wii 2 should make it so that there is no choice; everything can be done on it and everyone with a brain will bring their games to it.  And then the first party titles, which Nintendo is better at than anyone, makes the difference.

For all the talk about not competing the uniqueness of the Wii made it us vs. them.

As long as its the Best version who cares if its exclusive or not.  Especially on a Nintendo console since you know the Grade Triple A Nintendo releases are.  Would not be surprised to start seeing only the first party developed titles being platform exclusive anymore.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 19, 2011, 02:39:30 PM
GTA V on the Wii Next (that's what I'm going to call it until I hear otherwise, because I like it better than Wii 2) obviously won't be an exclusive, but it would be nice if it did have exclusive content. I think considering how we got screwed by Rockstar for the last 10+ years we deserve something to make up for it.
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Post by: Ceric on April 19, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
Personally prefer Super Wii.
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Post by: bustin98 on April 19, 2011, 03:25:13 PM
If the console can support the latest and greatest version of the Unreal Engine, then it'll be cake.

I also want to see a unified account policy. None of that crap of limiting your content to one console, and then begging to have the content moved to a new system if your current one dies or you decided to get a different color.

They should plan for a 10 year cycle with this console. Do the specs accordingly. Maybe it'll be pricey off the bat, but it won't be long before that price drops and they'll be at a lower price tier once MS and Sony release new systems.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2011, 03:35:57 PM
Would not be surprised to start seeing only the first party developed titles being platform exclusive anymore.

That is the exact situation Nintendo needs to and wants to create.
Why? Because then they automatically win.

Assuming all things about the 3 consoles are similar enough (graphics, online, storage, UI, controls) If you can get all the 3rd party gems on all the systems and they all look & run roughly the same, then your only console purchasing decisions come down to which 1st party games you want to play and which unique control style you prefer.

Nintendo has:
Mario & Zelda (the list could go on, but why bother)

Sony has:
Killzone? Uncharted? Rachet & Clank? LBP? Jax & Daxter? ?

MS has:
Halo and ummm..... Rare?

What incentive would most people who call themselves gamers have for not buying atleast the Wii2 and maybe one of the others if they really need their Halo or Uncharted fix?


If the console can support the latest and greatest version of the Unreal Engine, then it'll be cake.

I also want to see a unified account policy. None of that crap of limiting your content to one console, and then begging to have the content moved to a new system if your current one dies or you decided to get a different color.

They should plan for a 10 year cycle with this console. Do the specs accordingly. Maybe it'll be pricey off the bat, but it won't be long before that price drops and they'll be at a lower price tier once MS and Sony release new systems.


UE 3.9 or whatever it is. yes, definitely make sure the hardware is powerful enough to support the new UE. No more excuses from anybody.


User Accounts - please do this. I'm actually hoping they start it with the 3DS with the big system update. User accounts attached to your My Nintendo account. Also 3rd party games registerable too. That would show some good faith towards 3rd parties too.


10 year life cycle!? hell no.
Keep planning for the 5 year cycle and make your money now. The Wii will continue to sell for the next 2-3 years to the late adopters while the rest of us enjoy our WiiTuu. Mean while Sony & MS can go broke chasing the Technological Dragon and only starting to recoup cost right when Nintendo is dropping another profit driven console that out classes their current offerings. 10 year cycle is BS and Sony's & MS profit line proves it. Sony will never recoup the cost of PS3 unless it's the only system they sell till 2020. They've lost all profit from PS2 gen + some and the only reason they didn't lose more was because the PS2 was still selling well for the first 2 years.
10 year cycle is a bust and was truly just PR spin for poor planning of a trojan horse product.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 19, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
That is the exact situation Nintendo needs to and wants to create.
Why? Because then they automatically win.

I'm not so sure about that. Nintendo's 1st party efforts win in terms of quality, but Sony has actually produced more 1st party stuff this generation in terms of quantity. Of course, Nintendo can (and should) address this by hiring more developers and creating or acquiring more studios, but as of the moment Sony is beating them in 1st party quantity.

Nintendo is beating Microsoft in 1st party quantity, at least, but Microsoft is still a relative newbie at this and judging by how they acquired Bungie and Rare it shows they are gaining ground in this respect. Nintendo seems to be losing studios rather than gaining them. They sold Rare of course, and just recently they pulled the plug on Factor 5.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2011, 04:03:01 PM
Do you want Nintendo quality titles that are sure to be mimic'd in some way or another but never recreated

or do you want the Sony sequelitis that is struggling to find something that they can consider a franchise for the ages?


Besides that statement isn't 100% true.

Nintendo = 78 titles
25 of which didn't reach all regions (Xeno & TLS included), 5 more that were only published by Nintendo in certain regions & 8 haven't been released yet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Nintendo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Nintendo)

Sony = 70 titles
4 of which are co-published & 9 haven't been released yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Sony_Computer_Entertainment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Sony_Computer_Entertainment)

MS = 40 titles
A bunch of which I'm sure MS doesn't actually own (Ninja Gaiden 1 & 2, Gears of War 1, 2, & 3, Too Human, Alan Wake, N3, ect ect)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Game_Studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Game_Studios)
MS actually published way more games at this point for the 1st Xbox, they finished up with 60 titles.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 19, 2011, 04:08:30 PM
Honestly don't see why Microsoft doesnt flex there past PC game might.  They had some good games before XBox.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 19, 2011, 04:54:53 PM
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If the console can support the latest and greatest version of the Unreal Engine, then it'll be cake.

This isn't cake, it's water in that it is absolutely essential.  This isn't about the Unreal Engine, it's about industry standards.  Because it is a popular engine Unreal is more or less an industry standard that needs to be included.  To not do so would be like using a special Nintendo network instead of the internet.  Supporting industry standards, whether they be de facto or de jure, is a requirement in software development.  Videogames are software.  It needs to support the tools that the developers use and that means an engine that is widely used has to be supported.  Nintendo could have the most insanely powerful system ever but if was all weird and unfamiliar to third parties they would ignore it.  One thing that really hurt the Saturn was it used rectangular polygons instead of triangular, which is the standard.  A simple oversight like that can drive support away.
 
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I'm not so sure about that. Nintendo's 1st party efforts win in terms of quality, but Sony has actually produced more 1st party stuff this generation in terms of quantity. Of course, Nintendo can (and should) address this by hiring more developers and creating or acquiring more studios, but as of the moment Sony is beating them in 1st party quantity.

I think Nintendo is coasting a bit with their first party releases but the talent is there.  They crank out the same franchises by choice, not because they lack creativity.  So if it became a first party contest I believe Nintendo could easily step up to the plate if need be.
 
As the uniqueness of the consoles is blurred I can see a de facto console standard coming into play with either Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft involved in some sort of consortium.  Nintendo would be the last to go in however.  They already all use PowerPC CPUs.
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Post by: Ceric on April 19, 2011, 04:57:46 PM
Sort of Curious why they use PPC.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 19, 2011, 06:22:56 PM
It is odd how they all moved to the PPC architecture at about the same time when Apple moved away from it.
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Post by: MegaByte on April 19, 2011, 06:44:25 PM
Sort of Curious why they use PPC.
They were probably following a similar design path to Apple. The NES had a 6502 derivative, and the SNES had a followup chip, a derivative of the 65816. The Apple II used a 6502, and the Apple IIgs used a 65816. These designs were originally by Motorola, who was transitioning to RISC, but failed. The Nintendo 64 used a RISC-type MIPS chip, just as Macs used PowerPC RISC architecture. The GameCube used a PowerPC chip, and the Wii uses a similar chip.
It is odd how they all moved to the PPC architecture at about the same time when Apple moved away from it.
Apple didn't move to x86 until 2006.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 19, 2011, 07:25:23 PM
But 2006 was when this generation really got started. Didn't the PS2 and old Xbox use something different than PPC?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 19, 2011, 07:42:10 PM
Since this was the Nintendo thread, I didn't realize you meant the other companies.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 19, 2011, 08:48:18 PM
Since this was the Nintendo thread, I didn't realize you meant the other companies.

Why not? Ian and Ceric were commenting on how they all use PPC.
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Post by: MegaByte on April 19, 2011, 08:54:49 PM
Ian
tl;dr
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 19, 2011, 10:28:25 PM
Staff trollz are the most delicious. I haven't had such a tasty morsel since Deguelo was deported.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 19, 2011, 10:50:49 PM
I bet Kytim started that rumor.

I guess all that praying has come in handy. I am looking doubly forward to having GTA on the Wii 2. If this comes to pass then I will be the first in line to get the console.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 19, 2011, 10:51:39 PM
What a perfect logo, eh?
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 12:00:26 AM
Ian
tl;dr

Well that sums that up.
:grabs hat and leaves thread.... locks the doors on the way out:
Title: More Rumors! Wii2, 3DS, E3, Oh Yes!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 12:47:16 AM
sorry, had to re-open this thread. More Rumor "Nuggets" to share
http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/wii/more-project-cafe-rumors/#ixzz1K2FbE7F8 (http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/wii/more-project-cafe-rumors/#ixzz1K2FbE7F8)
Wii2 rumors, 3DS rumors and E3 rumors all wrapped up in a nice and easy to swallow box of nuggets.
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Rumor Nuggets
-Square Enix, Capcom, Sega, Konami, Activision, Rockstar/Take Two, Electronic Arts, Namco and Ubisoft all have development kits.

-They each have at least one game in development for the Wii 2.

-Expect games to be coming to this system that you would never expect on a Nintendo console.

-Nintendo is kissing third party ****s with this console.

-The new Nintendo controller sounds more ridiculous on paper.  When you actually see the thing, it makes a lot more sense from a
design standard.

-Expect Nintendo to roll out the red carpet for third parties so their games don’t get overshadowed.  Nintendo has been preaching to third parties that third parties won’t get screwed this time around, so if you’re expecting a ton of amazing first party games at launch…well…think again.  Nintendo wants a launch that creates confidence in third parties again so expect very few first party games at launch similar to the 3DS.

-Star Fox is coming.  I can’t say when.  Very good chance that it WONT be at E3.  I am hearing Star Fox is coming for the new Nintendo system, but it is very early in development.

-Nintendo solved every storage issue a third party could possibly have with the new console.  I don’t know if it’s a harddrive or a different, cheaper way to store data.

-Nintendo revamping their WiiWare and virtual console services.  I don’t think it will be called WiiWare anymore.

-Almost positive that we’ll be seeing Pikmin in some shape or form.

-A first person shooter that people love will be ported to the 3DS.  I can’t say what game, but it’s popular among FPS gamers.

-Expect a crapload of 3DS love at this E3.  The show will be wayyy more 3DS than Wii 2 (Project Cafe).  3DS stuff will be at least 60 percent of the E3 pre-show.

-Don’t listen to anyone who says new Nintendo console will launch by end of 2011.  They are idiots.  This holiday season is all about the 3DS and Nintendo’s E3 show will focus on that.

-Don’t expect many games to be shown at E3 for new Nintendo console, but expect all of the key features to be revealed.

-Nintendo is thinking about launching Zelda: Skyward Sword around the same time as Wii 2 since Wii 2 is backwards compatible with Wii 1 games.  They want to follow the same strategy when they launched Pokemon Black/White when 3DS was coming out.

-I am 90 percent sure you will not see a Zelda: Skyward Sword port to the Wii 2.  It will remain a Wii 1 game.
Nintendo approached Hideo Kojima about the new Nintendo console.  Nintendo and Hideo Kojima have a good relationship with each other.

-A Resident Evil game is in development for the new Nintendo system.  I don’t know if Capcom is developing an RE spinoff or something part of the “main” Resident Evil series.

-Retrostudios started working on a Wii 2 game.   It is NOT Metroid.  Retro is done with Metroid.

Last one meshes up with Retro hiring more staff.
I'll comment on the rest later.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 20, 2011, 01:29:51 AM
We had better see some fucking Pikmin. Having the Pikmin AR card was a bit of a cock tease. It was like a little reminder that they know what I want, but they don't wanna give it to me.

Anyway, this seems like a reasonable batch of rumors. Lacking in major specifics, but detailed enough to keep people talking. The only problem is that it seems like Nintendo really has very little to release for the end of the Wii's life cycle.

3rd relations improving is always good news.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 20, 2011, 01:38:28 AM
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-Star Fox is coming.  I can’t say when.  Very good chance that it WONT be at E3.  I am hearing Star Fox is coming for the new Nintendo system, but it is very early in development.

This one may be connected with the Retro rumors.

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-Nintendo is thinking about launching Zelda: Skyward Sword around the same time as Wii 2 since Wii 2 is backwards compatible with Wii 1 games.  They want to follow the same strategy when they launched Pokemon Black/White when 3DS was coming out.

-I am 90 percent sure you will not see a Zelda: Skyward Sword port to the Wii 2.  It will remain a Wii 1 game.

And the Wii was backwards compatible with the GC, but that didn't stop Nintendo from making two versions of Twilight Princess.
Title: More Retro Studio Rumors
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 01:51:55 AM
There is more to the Retro Rumor

let me summarize it for you and then I'll source it

- Retro Studios working on game for Wii 2
- They were among the first to have Dev Kits & have been working on the a Wii 2 game ever since
- They are working on “a project everyone wants us to do”
- information comes from two sources within Retro


http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2011/04/18/retro-studios-working-on-a-project-everyone-wants-us-to-do-on-wii-2/ (http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2011/04/18/retro-studios-working-on-a-project-everyone-wants-us-to-do-on-wii-2/)

who is Paul Gale you ask and why would he know anything at all?
http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/about-paul/ (http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/about-paul/)
long story short, he has worked in the industry for many years (magazine, websites & TV shows) and regularly attends E3 since the year 2000
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 02:59:38 AM
Some more info to mull over why we wait for confirmation on anything and everything.

http://kyoto-report.blogspot.com/2011/04/ninja-courier_19.html
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It looks like Nintendo Technology Development, the Seattle based hardware group under Howard Cheng, has been quite busy researching and developing several of the technologies being used in Project Cafe. One of the more interesting features is their work on tracking systems and head-mounted stereoscopic displays along with CPU and GPU research and evaluation.

For those wondering what direction the system might take from a purely geometrical calculation standpoint. Some of the new team members at Nintendo Technology Development include one of the head engineers responsible for the PS3's Cell CPU and RSX GPU.

While the news is not indicative of the ultimate fire power the system may carry, it certainly is promising.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 20, 2011, 03:03:16 AM
Sega didn't get a dev kit?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 20, 2011, 03:07:51 AM
Sega didn't get a dev kit?

Would they have used it anyway? They won't even put a certain 2D Sonic game on the Wii for crying out loud.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 03:21:40 AM
Sega didn't get a dev kit?

read the first line of the "Rumor Nuggets"
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Square Enix, Capcom, Sega, Konami, Activision, Rockstar/Take Two, Electronic Arts, Namco and Ubisoft all have development kits.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 20, 2011, 03:36:48 AM
Sorry, I think my hoping caused me to misread.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 20, 2011, 03:43:07 AM
You know, a 6 inch screen isn't that huge. Two Wii remotes stacked on top of each other gives you a six inch screen space measured diagonally. A PS3 dual shock exceeds those dimensions.
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Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 07:41:09 AM
You know, a 6 inch screen isn't that huge. Two Wii remotes stacked on top of each other gives you a six inch screen space measured diagonally. A PS3 dual shock exceeds those dimensions.
I just happen to have a 3DS, Dualshock 3, and 2 Wiimotes beside me.  You are right but only because of how the trigger and handles are. Though seriously enough think about how you normally hold the Wiimote and Nunhuck. Thats wider then this controller would be.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 20, 2011, 10:25:58 AM
I like the idea of that I think Black and Mild talked about.  A screen the length and size of the Wii.

I was thinking about this...they would create a wiimote with 2 trigger buttons on the bottom like the nunchuk.  Then the touchscreen on the face will have a click feature for buttons.  I imagine they could figure out a means of having a few clickable areas.  Then for a D-pad like function the glass could have a very small dip in the class that your fingers could feel.  Now yes this means sometimes part of the screen will be covered up when you are holding it pointer style. 

But it also means when you hold it NES style you can have slew of customizable controller interfaces.  In fact, Nintendo could put a side camera on the remote to promote this method with pointer style controls as well. 

If this is what Nintendo is creating then the downloadable information is not actual games, but just controller interfaces...you would not need a high resolution screen for this, nor would you need a lot of memory or processing power in the controller, which would help keep the controller price down.  I am expecting coontrollers to be priced at the typical $40.00 for the main controller price.

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Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 10:39:38 AM
I like the idea of that I think Black and Mild talked about.  A screen the length and size of the Wii.

I was thinking about this...they would create a wiimote with 2 trigger buttons on the bottom like the nunchuk.  Then the touchscreen on the face will have a click feature for buttons.  I imagine they could figure out a means of having a few clickable areas.  Then for a D-pad like function the glass could have a very small dip in the class that your fingers could feel.  Now yes this means sometimes part of the screen will be covered up when you are holding it pointer style. 

But it also means when you hold it NES style you can have slew of customizable controller interfaces.  In fact, Nintendo could put a side camera on the remote to promote this method with pointer style controls as well. 

If this is what Nintendo is creating then the downloadable information is not actual games, but just controller interfaces...you would not need a high resolution screen for this, nor would you need a lot of memory or processing power in the controller, which would help keep the controller price down.  I am expecting coontrollers to be priced at the typical $40.00 for the main controller price.



Thats pretty much a skinnier longer version of the 3DS bottom which, as found out this morning, is ~2 Wiimotes wide and ~inch off of being 1 Wiimote long.  Conceptually going rectangular has an argument.  Ergonomically I don't  see it.  Keeping the same width as a Wiimote be like using a foot long hot dog as your waggler.  Thats one of the reason I think we'll see a design that has more in common with the Wavebird than the Wiimote.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 20, 2011, 12:23:40 PM
I'm beginning to get the impression that I will need to hang onto my Wii remotes to play waggle games at all.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 20, 2011, 12:38:10 PM
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-Expect Nintendo to roll out the red carpet for third parties so their games don’t get overshadowed.  Nintendo has been preaching to third parties that third parties won’t get screwed this time around, so if you’re expecting a ton of amazing first party games at launch…well…think again.  Nintendo wants a launch that creates confidence in third parties again so expect very few first party games at launch similar to the 3DS.

Eh, I'd rather they not go this route.  All it will accomplish is to give the Super Wii a lousy launch lineup.  Third parties won't pull their weight.  Nintendo needs to set the tone with their own killer app.  They've tried this "let the third parties have a shot" thing a couple times now and it always results in a crap launch.
 
But all this constant third party stuff is very encouraging.  Maybe being the market leader but somehow STILL having the worst third party support opened Nintendo's eyes.  We all assumed that selling the most consoles would be enough so I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo figured the same thing.  "We're selling more consoles than anyone but still nobody is making games for us.  Hmmm, what do we have to do differently?"
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Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 12:44:35 PM
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-Expect Nintendo to roll out the red carpet for third parties so their games don’t get overshadowed.  Nintendo has been preaching to third parties that third parties won’t get screwed this time around, so if you’re expecting a ton of amazing first party games at launch…well…think again.  Nintendo wants a launch that creates confidence in third parties again so expect very few first party games at launch similar to the 3DS.

Eh, I'd rather they not go this route.  All it will accomplish is to give the Super Wii a lousy launch lineup.  Third parties won't pull their weight.  Nintendo needs to set the tone with their own killer app.  They've tried this "let the third parties have a shot" thing a couple times now and it always results in a crap launch.
 
But all this constant third party stuff is very encouraging.  Maybe being the market leader but somehow STILL having the worst third party support opened Nintendo's eyes.  We all assumed that selling the most consoles would be enough so I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo figured the same thing.  "We're selling more consoles than anyone but still nobody is making games for us.  Hmmm, what do we have to do differently?"
I have to agree here.  Giving Third parties essentially a headstart hasn't been a successful strategy.  Think it be better to launch with a, as in 1, Nintendo System seller and let the third parties be the 2nd game in all other niches.  I know launch  time is when I'll personally be must likely to buy a game out  of my norm and if its excellent watch it and the genre for the rest of the console life.  Sort of like with SSFIV and the 3DS makes me much more open to getting another fighter.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
I haven't seen it for my self, but supposedly IGN's Fran Mirabella says that devs are telling him that the controller looks like a standard controller with a screen in the middle. (In the latest Nintendo Voice Chat?)

I'm also sure that this next pic is a fake, but this rumor thread don't discriminate.

(http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg)

That screen doesn't look 6", but I like the ideas behind the screen in the controller.

Split screen gaming can take place on individual screens. During Full screen multi, every player can have their own personal stats/items/data screen. And one of the pics says that Virtual Console games can be streamed to individual screens independently of what is being played on the big screen.

It makes it seem like Project Cafe would be a sort of gaming hub for the living room that can use the TV & the screens or just the screens themselves.

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And on a separate note, I was thinking about the controller having IR ports like the sensor bar. Can IR lights be different colors or do they only come in white light?

I was thinking about this because the rumor is that the Wii2 has better tracking than move, which would imply that there is a camera next to the TV tracking the controller and if there is a camera on the TV, then there could be a sensor bar attached to that too (BNM's sensor bar (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32069.msg642377#msg642377)/wiimote 2.0 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32069.msg642359#msg642359)). So if the controller in your hand is tracking the position of the sensorbar on your TV and the camera on the sensor bar is also tracking the IR of your controller, then you would have near perfect motion detection as it tracks both ways and keeps the pointers pin point accuracy while never losing track of the controller.

In my original idea, the controllers each had different color LED/IR strips so that the IR camera in the sensor bar could track individual controllers without mixing up which was which. So while Wii 2 control may not take the same form I was thinking, it could use the same function and that is why I am asking if it's possible to have different color IR lights.
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Post by: MegaByte on April 20, 2011, 12:55:04 PM
And on a separate note, I was thinking about the controller having IR ports like the sensor bar. Can IR lights be different colors or do they only come in white light?
IR comes in... IR light. There are different frequencies of IR, just as there are different color LEDs. But it looks like there are only two frequencies commonly available.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 20, 2011, 01:15:58 PM
One thing that's funny about all this screen stuff is that this seems like the sort of idea one would speculate about the Gamecube successor.  Nintendo had that whole GBA connectivity thing so you might think "next time they'll put the screen right on the controller".  But instead we got something totally different.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 01:24:38 PM

And on a separate note, I was thinking about the controller having IR ports like the sensor bar. Can IR lights be different colors or do they only come in white light?
IR comes in... IR light. There are different frequencies of IR, just as there are different color LEDs. But it looks like there are only two frequencies commonly available.

Do you know which frequency the Wii currently uses?

and I asked about colors because I've only seen the sensor bar lights when taking a pic of the bar. they were white.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2w3xpjs.jpg)

So i was wondering if they hit other colors in the spectrum or if there was a way using IR lights to differentiate each controller from each other.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 20, 2011, 01:24:45 PM
Nintendo tried "rolling out the red carpet" with 3rd parties on the Wii and withheld their own titles. The result of that is the game drought we now see before us. Nintendo reserved some seats at the table for 3rd parties, but the problem is they never showed up. So those seats were left empty and it ended up being a fairly lame party.

Nintendo shouldn't be jerks and do things that will drive 3rd parties away, but they shouldn't kiss their ass either. They should take a neutral approach where they leave the door open and send the invites but leave it at that.
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Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
Honestly we could be getting Wii Plan B controller wise.  What Nintendo would have released if Motion needed more baking.  I like to see all that presentation even if it was fake.  I think what be more interesting is talking points for the console mockup.  I don't see any media slots.
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Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 01:33:12 PM

And on a separate note, I was thinking about the controller having IR ports like the sensor bar. Can IR lights be different colors or do they only come in white light?
IR comes in... IR light. There are different frequencies of IR, just as there are different color LEDs. But it looks like there are only two frequencies commonly available.

Do you know which frequency the Wii currently uses?

and I asked about colors because I've only seen the sensor bar lights when taking a pic of the bar. they were white.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2w3xpjs.jpg)

So i was wondering if they hit other colors in the spectrum or if there was a way using IR lights to differentiate each controller from each other.
Interesting read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_light#Communications
I didn't know they had gotten IR to that speed.
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Post by: bustin98 on April 20, 2011, 01:33:56 PM
Technically, the different frequencies can be considered different colors, but none of them are visible by the human eye. The color we see is the visible spectrum at different frequencies. Different types of eyes have an altered set of visible spectrum (bee eyes, for instance). The 'white' light of IR shown on the Wii calibration and cameras is just how the camera interprets the signal. If we could see IR, we'd probably just call it 'red'.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 20, 2011, 01:37:25 PM
I really question the idea that Nintendo making such awesome games contributes to third parties bailing.  The Xbox 360 has no issues but you know that if you put your game up against Halo it is going to get squashed just the same as you would going against Mario.  Plus there are third party franchises like Call of Duty that also dominate.  No matter where you go there will be some big fish that attract the most attention.  To single out Nintendo is stupid.
 
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Honestly we could be getting Wii Plan B controller wise.  What Nintendo would have released if Motion needed more baking.

Well it really does sound like a conventional follow-up to the Gamecube.  And the de-emphasis on motion control makes it sound like it has little to do with the Wii.  Maybe Nintendo plans on keeping the Wii around as the "casual brand" and will keep releasing Wii Series games on it while this new system is the more "serious" videogame system.  Like this is for the gamers and the casuals can continue with their Wiis, since they don't really need anything more than that.
 
Or it might just be that those spreading the rumours know that that the audience for these rumours is less interested in the motion control aspect so they don't talk about it that much.
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Post by: Sarail on April 20, 2011, 01:44:51 PM
I really question the idea that Nintendo making such awesome games contributes to third parties bailing.  The Xbox 360 has no issues but you know that if you put your game up against Halo it is going to get squashed just the same as you would going against Mario.  Plus there are third party franchises like Call of Duty that also dominate.  No matter where you go there will be some big fish that attract the most attention.  To single out Nintendo is stupid.
 
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Honestly we could be getting Wii Plan B controller wise.  What Nintendo would have released if Motion needed more baking.

Well it really does sound like a conventional follow-up to the Gamecube.  And the de-emphasis on motion control makes it sound like it has little to do with the Wii.  Maybe Nintendo plans on keeping the Wii around as the "casual brand" and will keep releasing Wii Series games on it while this new system is the more "serious" videogame system.  Like this is for the gamers and the casuals can continue with their Wiis, since they don't really need anything more than that.

This. This is what I'm expecting and hoping for from Nintendo. They can definitely keep the Wii brand alive and separate from this new console... just as Sony kept the PS2 alive for several years after the PS3 released.  There can be a harmonious split between the two distinct crowds -- the other doesn't have to end just because.
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Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 01:47:26 PM
I really question the idea that Nintendo making such awesome games contributes to third parties bailing.  The Xbox 360 has no issues but you know that if you put your game up against Halo it is going to get squashed just the same as you would going against Mario.  Plus there are third party franchises like Call of Duty that also dominate.  No matter where you go there will be some big fish that attract the most attention.  To single out Nintendo is stupid.

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Or it might just be that those spreading the rumours know that that the audience for these rumours is less interested in the motion control aspect so they don't talk about it that much.

Second part of the quote is probably right. 

On the XBox things mentioned,  XBox Live Period.  That is why the XBox is where its at.  The community around it and everything makes the XBox talked about.  Live is to Console Connectivity and Interaction as Nintendo is to Gaming in General.
 
This. This is what I'm expecting and hoping for from Nintendo. They can definitely keep the Wii brand alive and separate from this new console... just as Sony kept the PS2 alive for several years after the PS3 released.  There can be a harmonious split between the two distinct crowds -- the other doesn't have to end just because.

The PS2 didn't live in harmony be plan with the PS3.  If I take anything from that is make sure your BC with the new Console so when people's console dies they'll want to just go ahead and pony for the upgrade.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 01:56:47 PM
Nintendo tried "rolling out the red carpet" with 3rd parties on the Wii and withheld their own titles. The result of that is the game drought we now see before us. Nintendo reserved some seats at the table for 3rd parties, but the problem is they never showed up. So those seats were left empty and it ended up being a fairly lame party.

Nintendo shouldn't be jerks and do things that will drive 3rd parties away, but they shouldn't kiss their ass either. They should take a neutral approach where they leave the door open and send the invites but leave it at that.

I'm so glad you don't run Nintendo.

Nintendo sightly updated a 2nd/3rd(depending on the market) place last gen console with wiimotes AFTER Xbox360 had already blown it out of the water tech wise. 3rd parties weren't gonna be too enthusiastic about that.

Wii2 & 3DS solve both of those problems, but my guess is that Nintendo needs to stop trying to create "Dream Teams" by being stingy with Dev kits early on and not making it known and available to a majority of 3rd parties until after official announcements and several months before launch.

I understand why they might have done this in the past, such as trying to prevent leaks and only let the privileged few into the VIP clubhouse, rewarding those who participated last round and "incentivizing" others to hop on board to get in on the next big thing in a few years and whatnot, but then you can't expect everyone to be ready for launch, launch window and the rest of the year if they didn't have time to tinker with the hardware and get inspired by new features and available power and possible effects.

Nintendo's practices in the past mixed with Sony and MS's pandering of today has made it so that Nintendo needs to get back into the dating game and learn how to flirt and mingle all over again. They don't need to look like a desperate sucker by buying every girl in the bar a drink, but they've got to be willing to do what it takes to pursue the ones that they want.

If they gotta take R* out to a fancy Surf & Turf dinner, then so be it, as long as they end up in bed together, it's all worth it in the end. You can't just show up to the club in a new fancy red car and expect all the girls to just jump in on sight. And once you net all the popular ones, the smaller ones will follow.

So I say roll out the red carpet, send out all your invites early, announce your open bar, your DJ and all the A-list celebrities that are attending and make this a party to remember. You gotta spend money to make money, and the amount of money they would spend courting a few of the AAA devs would pale in comparison to the amount of money they would make from the fanfare that would come with those devs showing favorable support.



To everyone else, I guess I should have stated that I know IR light is not visible to the naked eye, which is why I mentioned only being able to see it using a camera. When I mentioned it being a different "color" I meant in a way that the camera would be able to tell which IR was which without mixing them up, not that we would be able to see it and know the difference.
Would different frequencies show up as different "colors" to the camera? Because I don't see how a camera would track individual controllers otherwise.
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Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 02:04:21 PM
I sort of like the Wii's approach of letting the camera handle the tracking.  That way the light source isn't moving but the camera with the wider field of vision is.
 
I have the hardest time with the Move doing it the other way.
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Post by: Stogi on April 20, 2011, 02:32:36 PM
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It makes it seem like Project Cafe would be a sort of gaming hub for the living room that can use the TV & the screens or just the screens themselves."

This is exactly what I have been thinking of each time I chew on these rumors, and I hope it's true. Why? Because unless you live alone, there are going to be disputes on when you can play, what you can play, and where you can play. Providing a central hub for games that both work with your TV and cordless portable mini-systems eliminates that confrontation and provides a massive amount of flexibility. Nintendo is once again thinking outside the box...literally. No more will you have the console paradigm of: One console, One tv, One game.

If that's what Nintendo is thinking, than I applaud them for being so bold. And I am tempted to buy even more Nintendo stock.

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I'm so glad you don't run Nintendo.

I'm kinda glad you don't either...

I want Nintendo to do everything they can sans money to attract third parties. They should allow support for the most popular engines, collaborate on projects, and provide technical support; but they should never, eva eva eva pay them to make a game. That's a slippery slope.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 02:41:40 PM
I never said pay them, I just said court them.

You send over early Dev kits and use their input to upgrade/tweak features and all that. Sending over technical specialist (aka engineers) to help them workout some of the finer details, etc etc. basically make them feel like they matter and are not a complete after thought. And I don't see anything wrong with fully or partially funding development if it means it's 100% exclusive. But I never said anything about out right handing over money. Nintendo is not a charity nor are they that desperate sucker at the club.


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and an example of this stuff happening is like Nintendo  going to Capcom to help create the CCPro & Nintendo consulting 3rd parties on the 3DS and it's feature set (which I would assume would be the available shaders and necessary components to get them all to work together efficiently).
Capcom shows appreciation by not only releasing MH3 exclusively on Wii but providing SSFIV @ launch on 3DS.


It's a give take relationship and Nintendo hasn't been willing to give for far to long. 3rd parties have been an afterthought in a way that they are just expected to fall in line. That mentality has to go away now that MS is willing to break the bank to buy support and Sony is willing to build the machine that they all want to support. Nintendo isn't willing to do all that so they need to step up their game and make themselves desirable with out spending wads of cash on bottle service & over tipping waitresses or pulling up in the H5 HUMMER with 6 12" Woofers on 32" chrome rims a lighted ground effect kit & speakers in the grill.
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Post by: Stogi on April 20, 2011, 02:58:51 PM
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You gotta spend money to make money

I took that to mean something different I guess.

Still, to use your metaphor, your strategy kinda sounds like that annoying guy outside the club trying to bring people into it.

If I were in charge...(you knew it was coming)

I would be worried about my bottom line, and not anyone else's. If I could make another Wii with even shittier third party support but higher profits, I would do that in a heart beat. If third parties are girls, then I'd be the person puffing on a cigar raking in all the money from craps.

My point is...Make a product people want to buy. If people buy it and third parties want to develop for it, then you did two things right.
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Post by: bustin98 on April 20, 2011, 03:37:37 PM
To everyone else, I guess I should have stated that I know IR light is not visible to the naked eye, which is why I mentioned only being able to see it using a camera. When I mentioned it being a different "color" I meant in a way that the camera would be able to tell which IR was which without mixing them up, not that we would be able to see it and know the difference.
Would different frequencies show up as different "colors" to the camera? Because I don't see how a camera would track individual controllers otherwise.

This is where I think the rumor has things messed up. Currently the Wii mote has the camera. Different cameras are tracked by their bluetooth assignments. They report their position based on their relative position to the 'sensor' bar. If the controllers hold the IR lights then there wouldn't really be a way to tell the difference unless there is a difference in their blinking pattern, which is how IR remotes for TVs work. The light flashes with a preset pattern to tell the TV what to do. Different frequencies might work, but it seems like the wrong way to go.
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Post by: MegaByte on April 20, 2011, 03:42:23 PM
Would different frequencies show up as different "colors" to the camera?
Yes, but only if the camera has the proper sensors/filters to pick up the colors as different.
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Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 03:44:18 PM
To everyone else, I guess I should have stated that I know IR light is not visible to the naked eye, which is why I mentioned only being able to see it using a camera. When I mentioned it being a different "color" I meant in a way that the camera would be able to tell which IR was which without mixing them up, not that we would be able to see it and know the difference.
Would different frequencies show up as different "colors" to the camera? Because I don't see how a camera would track individual controllers otherwise.

This is where I think the rumor has things messed up. Currently the Wii mote has the camera. Different cameras are tracked by their bluetooth assignments. They report their position based on their relative position to the 'sensor' bar. If the controllers hold the IR lights then there wouldn't really be a way to tell the difference unless there is a difference in their blinking pattern, which is how IR remotes for TVs work. The light flashes with a preset pattern to tell the TV what to do. Different frequencies might work, but it seems like the wrong way to go.
Agree.  I think the Current way is the better way and I probably add Stereotypic camera, in other words 2 at known distance apart.  At that point you should be able to do 3d calculation to get the point much like a human does.
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Post by: bustin98 on April 20, 2011, 03:50:15 PM
Steroscopic system would be much better at telling if the controller is tilted one way or the other as well, though other sensors would be needed to tell if it was upside down or not.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2011, 03:54:05 PM
To everyone else, I guess I should have stated that I know IR light is not visible to the naked eye, which is why I mentioned only being able to see it using a camera. When I mentioned it being a different "color" I meant in a way that the camera would be able to tell which IR was which without mixing them up, not that we would be able to see it and know the difference.
Would different frequencies show up as different "colors" to the camera? Because I don't see how a camera would track individual controllers otherwise.

This is where I think the rumor has things messed up. Currently the Wii mote has the camera. Different cameras are tracked by their bluetooth assignments. They report their position based on their relative position to the 'sensor' bar. If the controllers hold the IR lights then there wouldn't really be a way to tell the difference unless there is a difference in their blinking pattern, which is how IR remotes for TVs work. The light flashes with a preset pattern to tell the TV what to do. Different frequencies might work, but it seems like the wrong way to go.

The rumor just states that Wii 2 might be able to track the remotes as well as the remotes tracking the sensor bar(assuming new controllers still have Wiimote BC built in).

If the sensor bar has a camera and the controllers have a camera and IR lights, then the camera in the controllers can track the sensor bar as usual and then the camera on the sensor bar can track the controllers like Move. The benefit of this would be extremely precise motion tracking and continuing to have pin point accuracy with a pointer (which move sucks at).

Now that the sensorbar camera (S. Camera) can track the controller, you never have to worry about the fact that you are pointing off the screen. The S. Camera will always know where the controller is and the gyros will always tell how the controller is being held. When the controllers are pointed towards the S. Bar, you continue to have your pointer functionality and basic Wii backwards compatibility.

That was that was the main idea behind my idea for Wii2.0, 2-way tracking, and why I was asking about IR "colors". The Wiimote tracking the sensor bar is one thing as like you said, each wiimote handles that separately, but S. Camera tracking Wiimotes would require it to know which one it was looking at (incase positions get switched during game play).

now I feel slightly motivated to draw up an example, even though I think everyone already knows what I'm talking about.
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Post by: Stogi on April 20, 2011, 04:06:25 PM
I think Bustin hit it on the nail with different patterns. That's the only way I see your idea working unless you attach a giant glowing ball.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2011, 04:23:41 PM
To everyone else, I guess I should have stated that I know IR light is not visible to the naked eye, which is why I mentioned only being able to see it using a camera. When I mentioned it being a different "color" I meant in a way that the camera would be able to tell which IR was which without mixing them up, not that we would be able to see it and know the difference.
Would different frequencies show up as different "colors" to the camera? Because I don't see how a camera would track individual controllers otherwise.

This is where I think the rumor has things messed up. Currently the Wii mote has the camera. Different cameras are tracked by their bluetooth assignments. They report their position based on their relative position to the 'sensor' bar. If the controllers hold the IR lights then there wouldn't really be a way to tell the difference unless there is a difference in their blinking pattern, which is how IR remotes for TVs work. The light flashes with a preset pattern to tell the TV what to do. Different frequencies might work, but it seems like the wrong way to go.

The rumor just states that Wii 2 might be able to track the remotes as well as the remotes tracking the sensor bar(assuming new controllers still have Wiimote BC built in).

If the sensor bar has a camera and the controllers have a camera and IR lights, then the camera in the controllers can track the sensor bar as usual and then the camera on the sensor bar can track the controllers like Move. The benefit of this would be extremely precise motion tracking and continuing to have pin point accuracy with a pointer (which move sucks at).

Now that the sensorbar camera (S. Camera) can track the controller, you never have to worry about the fact that you are pointing off the screen. The S. Camera will always know where the controller is and the gyros will always tell how the controller is being held. When the controllers are pointed towards the S. Bar, you continue to have your pointer functionality and basic Wii backwards compatibility.

That was that was the main idea behind my idea for Wii2.0, 2-way tracking, and why I was asking about IR "colors". The Wiimote tracking the sensor bar is one thing as like you said, each wiimote handles that separately, but S. Camera tracking Wiimotes would require it to know which one it was looking at (incase positions get switched during game play).

now I feel slightly motivated to draw up an example, even though I think everyone already knows what I'm talking about.

Actually,  Super Wii would know approximately where you are already vi the traditional Wiimote method in that scenario so it could just declared that items in this general area is you, general area be the margin of error of the Wiimote, and dial it in that way.  Just as an alternative to the move lollipop approach, which is actually more traditional.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on April 20, 2011, 10:16:44 PM
I don't know what to think about these controller rumors.  I like the remote and was looking forward to some great motion tech that takes advantage of their experience and their ability to see what works in the competiion's systems.  I just don't see a screen fitting in with motion at all.

If this stuff is true it seems to me like it's Nintendo's way to bring their handheld and console together.  They give the console two screens this gen so it can play similar games and the next ds will be above 360/ps3 which seems to me like the point where graphics are basically going to peak for most devs due to costs and dimishing returns.  They can then release the new DS as a console/handheld hybrid and thanks to these controllers the games can be played at home on the tv.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 20, 2011, 11:50:54 PM
I too want to keep the Wii remote. Just make it a little more ergonomic, with more buttons and such.

Long ago I speculated that Nintendo's next console would be a laptop, I should go dig up that post.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tanookisuit on April 21, 2011, 01:11:32 AM
I think the system will use the new screened controller as well as the current Wii Remote Plus controller.  The same way Playstation 3 has the Dualshock and the Move.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 21, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
The reason I like the wii-remote so much is aiming. I don't prefer dual analog shooters. If the Wiimote+ is available, that's great, But when Red Steel 3 or whatever comes out for the Next gen, will it support the Wiimotion Plus? Probably not.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 21, 2011, 02:08:43 AM
I really hope they keep the the Wii remote or at least have a new version. I've never enjoyed FPS so much then I have this generation and it's due to the Wii controller. I can not play FPS with a dual analog controller, at least enjoyably. Offline I can at least get to the end of the game and maybe beat it if difficulty level doesn't skyrocket at the very end (looking at you Killzone 2). Forget online. I can't aimed the way I do with the Wii controls.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on April 21, 2011, 04:09:47 AM
I think the system will use the new screened controller as well as the current Wii Remote Plus controller.  The same way Playstation 3 has the Dualshock and the Move.
I will be disappointed if this happens.  I like M+ but its been years since the Wii and they can make it better.  I also don't want to have to buy a ton of controllers when one will almost certainly get most of the support.
Title: Eternal Darkness 2 by Retro Studios?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 04:17:27 AM
Retro's New Wii 2 Game Is Actually Eternal Darkness 2?
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/04/rumor-retro-studios-big-new-project-cafe-title-is-eternal-darkness-2.html#more (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/04/rumor-retro-studios-big-new-project-cafe-title-is-eternal-darkness-2.html#more)

I have no idea on the validity of this site or this rumor. More wait & see, can't wait till E3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 04:33:44 AM
Also in the latest IGN mailbag, they back the Early 2012 release rumor.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/116/1163116p1.html
Quote
Q: If the Wii 2 is really launching in late 2012 and is being announced this June, how will we survive the drought of games until the Wii 2's launch? - Secret_Tunnel

A: Two points on this. First, I'm hearing that Nintendo would love to launch in Q1 or Q2 2012 if at all possible. So late 2012 does seem a bit out of the picture… software development pending.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 21, 2011, 05:22:44 AM
I was hoping they could release it holiday season of this year, but since devkits are only now being issued I can understand that this isn't going to be possible because no games are going to ready for that early of a launch. That said, a Q1 or Q2 of 2012 isn't that bad. That's certainly not as far off as the Q4 2012 release date which had been rumored in the past.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 21, 2011, 09:15:36 AM
If Nintendo bucks the 'Motion' trend, I would be very surprised. They have easily the most recognizable names in terms of motion controls, I do not see them abandoning such a successful adventure.

This screen controller does seem to be the opposite of motion, leading me to believe it is separate from an updated Wiimote. There is still a chance though, that Nintendo is cleverer than all of us and made both work together, however small.

Either way, I see both options being present in the box at launch, and thus, nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 21, 2011, 11:37:58 AM
Chozo Ghost:  Actually that is not exactly true.

If Nintendo notified developers ahead of time ideas of what specs would be in the game, they could have started designing levels, characters, art, music, and probably even program an engine to use...then port it to the devkits.  This would allow for a holiday or early 2012 launch quite easily.  Honestly at launch all you really need is 6 good games...but if you could get about 20 good games in a launch window you are golden.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 21, 2011, 12:02:46 PM
Chozo Ghost:  Actually that is not exactly true.

If Nintendo notified developers ahead of time ideas of what specs would be in the game, they could have started designing levels, characters, art, music, and probably even program an engine to use...then port it to the devkits.  This would allow for a holiday or early 2012 launch quite easily.  Honestly at launch all you really need is 6 good games...but if you could get about 20 good games in a launch window you are golden.
This is what I'm hoping. Not everyone needed to be filled in but those closer to them would certainly have been given a heads up. If it's designed in a certain way ports of recent games and verisons of upcoming games should be very possible I believe.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 12:27:43 PM
I'm expecting a few ports of games releasing on PS360 at the same time.
Also quite a few exclusives as smart 3rd parties know that new consoles are the perfect time to introduce new IP's.

But there is no way I would expect them to do a launch this year. this is the year of 3DS (hopefully) and next (early?) year will be Wii2.

I also hope that Nintendo really makes a significant jump over current hardware (which would be nice considering the rumored streaming features of Wii2) and that MS/Sony really do wait until 2014 to release their follow-up consoles(as reported by Kotaku).

MS has seen a very good up-tick in HW sales that just might last for another year which could mean a big push towards profitability as they slowly chip at the debt from the years before 2008. I'm sure they would want to squeeze this gen a little longer if possible. Lasting till 2014 would put them a year shy of an actual 10 year plan with the 360. Unfortunately, I don't see them letting Nintendo have 2 years to themselves even if it means they rush out a system to launch end of 2013.

Sony needs this gen to last as long as possible for them as they have MAJOR losses to make up and probably couldn't afford another system launch in the next 24 months without incurring even more major losses ontop of the ones they already have. Besides, they would want to see what Nintendo has planned, how well it works and then find a way to do the same only "better" for when they launch, so coasting till 2014 if possible is something I'm sure they would love to do. Unfortunately, I don't see them letting MS have another year headstart on them.
Title: Where There's Smoke, There's Fire - Miyamoto on Project Cafe
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 12:40:46 PM
Miyamoto on Project Cafe: "Where there's smoke, there's fire" ;) ;)
http://www.gameblog.fr/interview_293_shigeru-miyamoto-notre-interview-integrale (http://www.gameblog.fr/interview_293_shigeru-miyamoto-notre-interview-integrale)
It's in French, but it's the whole interview that the Super Mario 3DS story came from
Quote from: Google Translated
Q: Finally to conclude with the objects, I've brought a cup of ... coffee! You'll understand that I am referring to the famous "Coffee Project", the Wii 2 in an uproar for several days on the net ...

A: Yes, I saw found rumors speak of "Coffee". At the time I want to say it's normal. You know Nintendo, like all other manufacturers, our job is to design new machines. We believe it takes 5 years to make the R & D interesting. Afterwards, I admit that there is no smoke without fire. We must realize that we spend our time developing in-house gaming consoles. Some of you will ever see. With us, as we do not know exactly where we are going and when do we get out our next console, we do not disclose publicly. But we should not believe everything we read...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2011, 12:48:45 PM
Miyamoto on Project Cafe: "Where there's smoke, there's fire" ;) ;)
http://www.gameblog.fr/interview_293_shigeru-miyamoto-notre-interview-integrale (http://www.gameblog.fr/interview_293_shigeru-miyamoto-notre-interview-integrale)
It's in French, but it's the whole interview that the Super Mario 3DS story came from
Quote from: Google Translated
Q: Finally to conclude with the objects, I've brought a cup of ... coffee! You'll understand that I am referring to the famous "Coffee Project", the Wii 2 in an uproar for several days on the net ...

A: Yes, I saw found rumors speak of "Coffee". At the time I want to say it's normal. You know Nintendo, like all other manufacturers, our job is to design new machines. We believe it takes 5 years to make the R & D interesting. Afterwards, I admit that there is no smoke without fire. We must realize that we spend our time developing in-house gaming consoles. Some of you will ever see. With us, as we do not know exactly where we are going and when do we get out our next console, we do not disclose publicly. But we should not believe everything we read...

I choose to translate that as yes all of Project Cafe rumors are true, for an internal game system that will never see the light of day in that form.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 01:16:13 PM
I'm also sure that this next pic is a fake, but this rumor thread don't discriminate.

http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg)

That screen doesn't look 6", but I like the ideas behind the screen in the controller.

Another pic
(http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg)

Innovation Reinvented

Project Cafe is simply the most development friendly SDK the industry has ever seen. Deliver unparalleled next generation performance at current generation cost. It doesn't get any easier than this.

-easy portability from PC, Xbox 360
-anytime ?live? update - ?past ? ?
-Integrated ? ? ? framework
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2011, 01:53:14 PM
I'm also sure that this next pic is a fake, but this rumor thread don't discriminate.

http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg)

That screen doesn't look 6", but I like the ideas behind the screen in the controller.

Another pic
(http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg)

Innovation Reinvented

Project Cafe is simply the most development friendly SDK the industry has ever seen. Deliver unparalleled next generation performance at current generation cost. It doesn't get any easier than this.

-easy portability from PC, Xbox 360
-anytime ?live? update - ?past ? ?
-Integrated ? ? ? framework
LMAO
According to that slide we're talking about a Software Developement Kit akin to .Net or XNA.  In fact Nintendo might just do something along the lines of implementing CLR for Linux.  That would be brilliant.  It be like Wine for linux gets you very close you just might need to tweak a little thats a great idea.
Title: Kotaku: 6.2" Screen & 8 Buttons
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 02:49:03 PM
Kotaku: 6.2" screen & 8 buttons
http://kotaku.com/#!5794424/fresh-details-of-wii-2s-unusual-controller-and-why-it-wont-kill-the-wii-remote (http://kotaku.com/#!5794424/fresh-details-of-wii-2s-unusual-controller-and-why-it-wont-kill-the-wii-remote)

I will assume that it looks pretty close to the CCPro mock up that IGN released.

They also brought up that you could use a "wiimote style" controller in multiplayer so that 1 player could have a screen and the other player(s) could use the "Wiimote+ style" controllers.


One example I can think of for this style of play would be a Rainbow 6 super spy type game, where Player 1 w/ the screen runs tactical support and computer hacking missions, while another players with a "wiimote" runs through the compound protecting him by killing badguys using the pointer as his gun in FPS mode on the big screen.

Pacman VS and 4Swords would be 2 more and probably better examples though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on April 21, 2011, 02:52:08 PM
-easy portability from PC, Xbox 360
-anytime ?live? update - ?past ? ?
-Integrated ? ? ? framework

Anytime live update past release

Reads like something thrown together, highly dubious.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 21, 2011, 02:55:06 PM
The last one is "Integrated AI Live framework"

This slide is bs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 03:09:15 PM
The last one is "Integrated AI Live framework"

This slide is bs.

I'm almost sure of that and that's why I quoted the previous pic it's based on with the comment of "I'm sure it's fake but...."

I don't want to ignore any "rumor" or "leak" and then find out that it was true later and I didn't post it in here. So I throw everything that is "possible" even if ridiculous in here and we can sort out the facts later.

Supposedly Nintendo is also Live Streaming their Investors Meeting on Tue. April 26th (nite of the 25th for us in the US), so we don't have long to wait to see if some or any of this is true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 21, 2011, 03:18:43 PM
Funny thing:

AiLive (http://www.ailive.net/) - the actual motion control middleware
Ai-Live (http://ai-live.com/) - what the slide has
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2011, 03:24:19 PM
Funny thing:

AiLive (http://www.ailive.net/) - the actual motion control middleware
Ai-Live (http://ai-live.com/) - what the slide has

I remember hearing about the first one a long time ago.  Considering it looks as Nintendo user their software integration in the next API be expensive but cool.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 21, 2011, 03:56:46 PM
AiLive helped design the MotionPlus. I'm pretty sure that software is already part of the package.
Title: IGN: The N Stream (Wii2) Details "confirmed"?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 04:25:08 PM
Project Cafe: The Tech Behind Nintendo's Next Console (http://gear.ign.com/articles/116/1163325p1.html)
New pricing, hardware, design, and release information uncovered.
Quote from: IGN
According to sources with knowledge of the project, Nintendo's next console could have a retail cost of anywhere between $350 and $400, and will ship from Taiwanese manufacturer, Foxconn, this October, putting the earliest possible retail release anywhere between mid-October and early November.
[...]
Additionally, IGN has learned that the system will be based on a revamped version of AMD's R700 GPU architecture, not AMD's Fusion technology as previously believed, which will, as previously reported, out perform the PlayStation 3's NVIDIA 7800GTX-based processor. Like the Xbox 360, the system's CPU will be a custom-built triple-core IBM PowerPC chipset, but the clocking speeds will be faster. The system will support 1080p output with the potential for stereoscopic 3D as well, though it has not been determined whether that will be a staple feature.

In terms of the design of the console itself, the overall size will be comparable to that of the original Xbox 360 and the system is likely to resemble a modernized version of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES).

As reported last week, it will indeed utilize controllers with integrated touchscreens and be capable of streaming games to each controller, though given the power of the system, could also feasibly provide a virtualized console for each individual unit.

Finally, Nintendo is considering naming the console Stream, though it is potentially one of several names currently being vetted by the company.

The N Stream - I kinda like it.

4 controllers with screens = 4 different VC/StreamWare games being played w/o the TV - I really like that

Let me summarize it for easier reading;
- Retail cost between $350-400
- Shipping to begin this Oct.from Foxxcon. Earliest release is Mid Oct. - Early Nov. Likely to wait until 2012 to build up stock
- Based on revamped version of AMD's R700
- custom-built triple-core IBM PowerPC chipset, clocked higher than that of 360 (3.2Ghz)
- 1080p & potential for stereoscopic 3D (just like the GC & Wii)
- Size of console will be comparable to original Xbox 360. System is likely to resemble a modernized version of SNES
- given the power of the system, could feasibly provide a virtualized console for each individual unit
- "Stream" is being considered as a final name
- Nintendo refuses to comment
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2011, 04:35:20 PM
Didn't Foxconn do a board for Nintendo before? (I'm thinking GCN.)

I'm sad if this is true they stuck with 3 Cores but, I can see why.
I'm also sad that they would go with the R700 series instead of the R900 (Current Gen) or R800 (Last gen).  That puts them 2 gens old to a modern PC...

Stream is way to close to Steam to be used.  Especially in the hardcore space.  Though something like The Flow could be used.  Old Console Multi Love Love System :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 04:42:38 PM
Nintendo's Wii Stream

Let it's warmth run all over you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 21, 2011, 04:50:02 PM
The worst thing about this news is that it's as big as the original Xbox 360. I hope it doesn't look it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2011, 04:57:16 PM
The worst thing about this news is that it's as big as the original Xbox 360. I hope it doesn't look it.
Yeah, I'm sort of curious why it be so big.

Nintendo's Wii Stream

Let it's warmth run all over you.
I was going to photoshop out a picture of the Service Mario with the Bow tie for this but, I'll just say it.
"In related news: Nintendo to open Carpet Cleaning service.  Can older straight from console."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2011, 05:20:10 PM
They should call it the xStream

launch title will be the new 1080

1080 xStream

Super Smash Bros. xStream

F-Zero xStream

it'll be great, like Super and 64 & Wii all before it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2011, 05:21:33 PM
They should call it the xStream

launch title will be the new 1080

1080 xStream

Super Smash Bros. xStream

F-Zero xStream

it'll be great, like Super and 64 & Wii all before it.
Lord I remember the whole Extreme kick...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 21, 2011, 06:20:09 PM
The worst thing about this news is that it's as big as the original Xbox 360. I hope it doesn't look it.

The same article also said it resembles a "revamped SNES". So I guess it will be something like an SNES which is the size of an Xbox. But I agree, I don't want it to be that large. It doesn't even make sense either, because technology is supposed to be getting smaller. I'm sure there will be a Slim version a year or two down the road, though.

The price of $350-$400 is in line with my expectations, though. I don't see how it could have been $299 or less, and I don't think we would want it that way anyway because if it cost that little it couldn't be very powerful. A budget console which isn't a huge leap over the competition would be a bad move, so I'm relieved that doesn't appear to be the case.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 21, 2011, 06:46:47 PM
I don't know what to think about these controller rumors.  I like the remote and was looking forward to some great motion tech that takes advantage of their experience and their ability to see what works in the competition's systems.  I just don't see a screen fitting in with motion at all.
I share this sentiment. The Wiimote and Nunchuk combo is a great controller that just needs some tweaking, mostly in the form of better motion detectors. There is still a lot of potential for it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 21, 2011, 07:14:18 PM
SNES influenced design?  Okay this is just a big rib, right?  IGN is just making stuff up to jerk me around, aren't they?

$350 to $400 is a little more than I would like to pay though I could do $350.  Still it suggests they're not going to skimp on the hardware and are willing to go with a higher price to have something that will last for the long haul.  It does fit the 3DS pricing.  Knowing Nintendo this is something they could get away with selling for $300 but they just have to have that much more of a profit margin.  Still better in the longrun from us getting a $250 console sold at $300 though.

Wii Stream is so utterly ridiculous you figure this is a joke.  It's like blatant defiance in reaction to all the Wii jokes.  If they use Nintendo Stream my concern would be brand confusion with Steam, which is the same market (but I can imagine Nintendo, in their bubble, being completely unaware of the existence of).

I am sure at the very last the Wiimote w/ Motion+ built-in will be part of the standard for this system.  It would be nutty for Nintendo to ditch it.  Why can't they just offer two controller designs?  There isn't really any other way to go unless you ditch one of them.  You can't morph motion control and traditional controls into the same controller without it comprimising at least one of those designs.  Keeping them seperate is the way to do it right.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 21, 2011, 07:39:45 PM
As for the size of the Wii 2, keep in mind that for the exception of the N64 all of Nintendo's console have taken on a suare or rectangle formation. The original NES and Gamecube took on a square shape and Wii and SNES had a retangular shape. I am convinced that the Wii 2 will be about the same dimensions as the 360 slim because it has a rectangular shape.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 21, 2011, 07:49:32 PM
Wii Stream is so utterly ridiculous you figure this is a joke.  It's like blatant defiance in reaction to all the Wii jokes.  If they use Nintendo Stream my concern would be brand confusion with Steam, which is the same market (but I can imagine Nintendo, in their bubble, being completely unaware of the existence of).

The rumor is that its going to be called "Stream". BnM only called it "Wii Stream" as a joke. The rumor seems to indicate the "Wii" brand name is being dropped from this console (which I heartily approve of). So at this point we should just call it "Stream" and just forget about the "Wii" business unless we hear otherwise. While this console is the next Nintendo console, it takes a polar opposite design philosophy. Its like how Coca-Cola makes both Diet Coke and TaB, but even though both drinks are diet colas they use very different recipes. For all we know the Wii brand might continue on as a "third pillar" which is designed to appeal to casuals, but this Stream thing is aimed at core gamers.

And if you think about it, the name makes perfect sense, because one thing all the rumors seem to agree on is the console STREAMS content to the controllers, so its a very apt name for it. Probably the most apt name for the console that there could be.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 21, 2011, 07:58:33 PM
Quote
But if you think about it, the name makes perfect sense, because one thing all the rumors seem to agree on is the console STREAMS content to the controllers, so its a very apt name for it. Probably the most apt name for the console that there could be.

Keen observation there.  I just assumed NCL comes up with these names by flipping through an English dictionary until they find something they think sounds cool.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 21, 2011, 10:31:57 PM
XStream Sandwiches!

Nobody is mentioning RAM in these rumors. It makes me nervous.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on April 21, 2011, 10:41:52 PM
If the price is 300 im never buying it even if the price goes down. WTF world?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 21, 2011, 10:43:41 PM
All these rumors...the rate at which they've came is ridiculous.

If any of these end up being true, it's very un-Nintendo like.

During the lead up to the Wii, we barely had any rumors and mostly based our guesses on deals Nintendo made with companies (such as gyration).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 21, 2011, 11:00:39 PM
Well if Nintendo really is going after third parties in a big way it makes sense that we're hearing more, because more people know details than Nintendo usually allows this early.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 21, 2011, 11:28:42 PM
Its also a lot harder to hold back leaks these days too, because of advances in technology and communication and whatnot.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2011, 12:17:07 AM
These leaks won't matter at all if Nintendo actually launches this thing this year and it truly stomps on current console performance.
Neither Sony nor MS will have any time to respond and will be scrambling to throw something together if they plan to counter release before end of next year.


If they can deliver on these rumors, then I will pay the asking price of $349.99. $399.99 if it comes with a game packed in and Skyward Sword launches with it in 1080p.

Of course that extra money is coming out of my imaginary 3DS fund.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 22, 2011, 12:48:13 AM
Sony and Microsoft are no different from Nintendo; they too are always working on hardware. They must be pretty far along on prototypes of their next machines, and I doubt they'd have too much trouble launching by the end of next year if they wanted to. They'll probably wait to see what Nintendo's got up its sleeve at E3, though. If the Super Wii is only as powerful (or slightly more so) than the 360 and PS3, they can probably wait an extra year milking the already-profitable current hardware.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 22, 2011, 01:06:51 AM
The way I see it is $350-$399 seems like a lot of money on the surface, but if you figure it ends up being a console with a 10 year life span as opposed to one with only a 5 year life span then its definitely worth the extra investment. Think about it, would you rather have a $249 console that will be supported 5 years, or one that's hundred dollars more but will be supported for 10 years? Do the math and you'll see this is better in the long run.
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Post by: SixthAngel on April 22, 2011, 01:44:38 AM
Don't expect graphics to be too much better than 360 or ps3.  Nintendo is a software company too and they know the ridiculous costs of making games on the hd consoles now and I doubt they will suddenly increase their development costs by such a huge margin, especially with the diminishing returns the higher you go.  If the console does turn out to have great specs it will probably be so it can do things like stream multiple videos like the rumor suggests.

Out of curiosity is there anything stopping a console from functioning like a DVR?  Now that they will all have hard drives it seems like a no brainer.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2011, 01:59:47 AM
I expect the graphics on a technical level to blow PS360 out of the water. To the untrained eye (99% of the masses) you might not really notice all that much of a difference, but once you compare the capabilities as a bunch of numbers and simultaneous effects, I'm expecting to be very impressed by what I see.

Here is a chart of what we may be able to expect depending on which R700/HD 4XXX class GPU we get.

Quote
To put things into perspective:

Xenos (360): 48 shaders, 16 TFU, 8 ROPs

HD 4350 (Super low-end R7xx GPU): 80 shaders, 16 TFU, 4 ROPs.
HD 4650 (Low end, gaming grade GPU): 320 shaders, 32 TFU, 8 ROPs.
HD 4730 (Low-Mid end GPU): 640 shaders, 32 TFU, 16 ROPs.
HD 4870x2* ("family" highest end GPU): 1600 shaders, 80 TFU, 32 ROPS.


*also codenamed R700

So depending on what they meant by R700 GPU, we could be getting a beast of a processor.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 22, 2011, 02:10:28 AM
I just hope that Nintendo prices this thing at $299.99 to spite Sony and Microsoft. If Nintendo could offer a better HD console for the same price as its competitors then they could really hurt them in the long run. Nintendo themsleves ahve admitted that they realized that they could have sold the Wii for more than it was worth back in 2006, but the components for this kind of console seems to be cheap enough that Nintendo could offer it for three hundred dollars and still make as profit. The only problem with this is that the value of the dollar has fallen since 2006 and thus you have to spend more for the same product.
 
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Post by: bustin98 on April 22, 2011, 02:14:19 AM
I'm just waiting for how much RAM is going to be available for gameplay. I'd like to see 2GB minimum though 6 - 8 GB would be awesome.
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Post by: King of Twitch on April 22, 2011, 02:15:46 AM
Have you people completely lost your minds? There is no way WiiH is going to even approach PS360 level graphics. It'd be like giving a child who's been used to making macaroni fridge art a copy of Photoshop.

KIDS DON'T KNOW PHOTOSHOP
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Post by: bustin98 on April 22, 2011, 02:19:42 AM
Actually, I think it'd be more like being handed keys to a lamborghini only to find out a gas governor is keeping you at 35MPH. Nintendo knows how to create a capable system, they just lack the incentive to provide the services to back it up.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2011, 02:35:54 AM
an R700 class GPU already approached and then passed the PS360 graphics by assuming they didn't go with teh lowest model downscaled even further.

assuming they chose the R700 itself (4870x2) and modified it, then not only would Wii2 be able to do everything PS360 could do, but it could do it in 1080p @ 120fps on the bigscreen while simultaneously streaming (480p?) to 4 separate controller screens and still have time to make you coffee.

p.s. I don't know if all that  is true, but I know that the R700 GPU would run circles around the 360 on a technical and graphical level.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 22, 2011, 02:37:51 AM
Allow me to use a Star Wars analogy for the home consoles of this generation.
 
Wii = Millenium Falcon
360 = Star Destroyer
Wii 2 = Super Star Destroyer
PS3 = Death Star

Check out this concept art of the controller with a screen.

http://technobuffalo.technobuffalo.netdna-cdn.com/files/2011/04/Project-Cafe-Controllers.jpg
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 22, 2011, 02:45:12 AM
Allow me to use a Star Wars analogy for the home consoles of this generation.
 
Wii = Millenium Falcon
360 = Star Destroyer
Wii 2 = Super Star Destroyer
PS3 = Death Star

/positions cursor over smite button.
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Post by: Caterkiller on April 22, 2011, 03:02:36 AM
The Wii is nothing more than an At At. At first glance it looks really interesting and amazing, but upon further inspection you realize it can barely stand on its own legs.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 22, 2011, 03:06:05 AM
This thread is moving so fast, has anyone mentioned this?

Pointed out on the Beyond3D forums

Quote
The DS handheld gaming console, released in 2004, is now the hottest-selling portable video game machine. Did the success of the DS influence your design decisions?

Ashida: The DS had a huge impact on the Wii's design. We had the DS on our minds as we worked on the Wii. We thought about copying the DS's touch-panel interface and even came up with a prototype. But then we rejected the idea, since the portable console and the living-room console would have been exactly the same.

Miyamoto: The DS prepared the way for the Wii. The DS's unique interface had traction with nongamers. That made us think we had a shot at reaching a broader audience. But if the DS had flopped, we might have taken the Wii back to the drawing board.

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2006/tc20061116_750580.htm (http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2006/tc20061116_750580.htm)
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 22, 2011, 03:24:07 AM
This thread is moving so fast, has anyone mentioned this?

Pointed out on the Beyond3D forums

Quote
The DS handheld gaming console, released in 2004, is now the hottest-selling portable video game machine. Did the success of the DS influence your design decisions?

Ashida: The DS had a huge impact on the Wii's design. We had the DS on our minds as we worked on the Wii. We thought about copying the DS's touch-panel interface and even came up with a prototype. But then we rejected the idea, since the portable console and the living-room console would have been exactly the same.

Miyamoto: The DS prepared the way for the Wii. The DS's unique interface had traction with nongamers. That made us think we had a shot at reaching a broader audience. But if the DS had flopped, we might have taken the Wii back to the drawing board.

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2006/tc20061116_750580.htm (http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2006/tc20061116_750580.htm)

I remembered reading a while back about how the success of the DS was what influence the design and appearance of the Wii. Although it appears that Nintendo took design ques from the DS Lite, particularly the white one, to build the Wii, so they could easily do the same with the 3DS and Wii 2. In fact, if you have a black or white DS Lite compare its finsih and shape to that of the Wii. Do you notice any similarities? If so, I would wager that the Wii 2 will look simialr to the 3DS in terms of shape and finish, which means I have to deal with that damn glossy finish again. Why the hell does Nintendo not make their systems with a matte finish? That is what I liked the most about the DSi.
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Post by: MaryJane on April 22, 2011, 06:06:30 AM
too late....
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 22, 2011, 06:59:40 AM
I really can't believe any of these rumors...but if they are true.  I think I understand what Nintendo did with the Wii more now.

Nintendo used the Wii to disrupt the market...but also used it as a temporary system.  HD gaming was not quite ready for prime time, and Nintendo knew that...so they waited. 

Now, we have cheaper hardware that can produce HD games and more consumers with HD televisions and fast broadband internet.  It is the perfect time to launch an HD system.

I think Nintendo is launching a system that they hope will be powerful enough to last much longer on the market than other systems.  A gaming hub that will be the center of your gaming universe...but a controller that can evolve and be more than a controller.  Could Nintendo be launching a system they think can be on the market for 6-8 years without need for a successor?  A new system that is basically a Wii, and next generation system?  If that is Nitnendo's big plan, I think it might work and $400.00 for that system will be nothing, if they come prepared to deliver oon the experience. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
If Nintendo is anything it is Traditional with their R&D.  Black Op and constantly on-going.

I expect the graphics on a technical level to blow PS360 out of the water. To the untrained eye (99% of the masses) you might not really notice all that much of a difference, but once you compare the capabilities as a bunch of numbers and simultaneous effects, I'm expecting to be very impressed by what I see.

Here is a chart of what we may be able to expect depending on which R700/HD 4XXX class GPU we get.

Quote
To put things into perspective:

Xenos (360): 48 shaders, 16 TFU, 8 ROPs

HD 4350 (Super low-end R7xx GPU): 80 shaders, 16 TFU, 4 ROPs.
HD 4650 (Low end, gaming grade GPU): 320 shaders, 32 TFU, 8 ROPs.
HD 4730 (Low-Mid end GPU): 640 shaders, 32 TFU, 16 ROPs.
HD 4870x2* ("family" highest end GPU): 1600 shaders, 80 TFU, 32 ROPS.


*also codenamed R700

So depending on what they meant by R700 GPU, we could be getting a beast of a processor.

Tradition states it will be the cheapest one there but, there looks to be a bit of a core infrastructure change between the R700 series to the next so, to keep the development close to the 360 we may be getting a beefier R700 then what is posted.  I hope they do what they did with the Gamecube and pay attention to clock cycles and like making them where all the parts play well together.  I'm really hoping for an optical out this time. Also with the recent efficiency and smallness push really get away with something as big as the 360 original and keep there style card...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2011, 09:44:28 AM
Remember that the HD 4xxx series is from 2008 and there are 2 newer generations of PC GPU's
I have one from the HD 5xxx series (an HD 5670 to be exact), and even with multiple browser windows up in the background, Win7 and other software running in the background, I haven't really had an issue with any game that I've played outside of a little slowdown here and there with everything always being maxed out @ 1080p.

I got mine relatively cheap considering I only bought one, and the 4xxx series will be 3 gens old by the time Wii2 comes out. I would assume their GPU would be pretty cheap, even if they went with the high end one, especially if they really are combining it onto one chip with the CPU.


& since we're posting quotes, I had a few others besides the one above, but had to restart my computer.
Here's one;
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/110128qa/index.html
Quote from: Iwata @ Investors Meeting, Jan. 2011
If such "rich experiences" were actually the only uniqueness, home consoles would lose their meaning when battery-operated portable devices become capable of reproducing similar rich experiences. On the contrary, and this is something which started to be discussed when Wii made its debut in 2006, bigger screen TVs were entering our living rooms around that time, which enabled people to use their living rooms for a more broad range of purposes. More specifically, living rooms had morphed into play areas where people could move their bodies. This is one of the unique entertainment features that home console systems, not handheld devices, were able to realize.

With this as an example, even such a distinction that "home console machines provide rich experiences but handheld devices cannot" will change as time goes by, and I believe that there will always be unique experiences that only home consoles can realize. Nintendo has to make efforts to offer the public something only our home console systems can achieve. There are also a number of restrictions with home consoles such as you have to be in front of a TV set, all the players must get together in one place and you cannot play if someone else is watching a TV program. I feel that an increasing number of people, who are playing with a variety of games, are saying, "I used to be able to start home console games rather casually, just whenever I felt like playing with them, but nowadays, because I am used to the easy-to-start handheld game devices, I have to have a rather strong determination to start playing with home console games." I understand that the situation surrounding home consoles is changing. Home consoles have to provide something unique to users that is only possible on home consoles in addition to the "rich experiences." For example, we must focus on what kinds of unique entertainment can be created when a home console can reproduce its images on a large monitor screen which can be viewed by several people at the same time. I think that in the mid and long term, the mission of home console machines will change in this fashion.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2011, 12:21:27 AM
01net says that the Wii tablet controller resembles the uDraw tablet in style and that this:
(http://i.imgur.com/sqjW5.jpg)
is the closest mock-up to what the actual controller looks like at this point (design could change before release).

They also said the screen is in 16:9 ratio with a resolution of about 800x500 (sub-HD)


They said that heir sources can't confirm some details from IGN such as the SNES look and "Stream" name because they only have dev kits and the look of the system, the controller and even the name could change before actual release or reveal.

They also mention how June 2012 is the expected release date
http://www.01net.com/editorial/531993/project-cafe-quelques-precisions-sur-la-manette-et-le-streaming/ (http://www.01net.com/editorial/531993/project-cafe-quelques-precisions-sur-la-manette-et-le-streaming/)

Quote
"Streaming plays a central role in the attraction of this "Project Café. The console will be able to stream wirelessly streaming multiple types of streams (different media, games) to the knobs.This will make it possible to play without turning on the TV, or start a frenzied games on the big screen, and continue uninterrupted into the toilet. A real revolution!"
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 23, 2011, 12:26:59 AM
I approve of the left analog stick being positioned above the D-pad, but I'm not sure the right one positioned above the buttons is a good idea. If they had it like the GC or xbox controller it would be perfect, but this... I dunno.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 23, 2011, 12:47:39 AM
FYI BnM, the 4870x2 is two GPUs on one die.  I highly doubt they would use a dual GPU setup.  The 4850, at last price found was $80, so that means it probably cost around $50 to make.  That sounds closer to the price level we could expect.  Maybe even one between a 4850 and 4870.  There's also the 4890 that was pretty sweet as well.  My hope is that they use the R700 architecture but place it on a 40nm die instead of the 55nm die that the original R700 cards were built on.  It'd make it cheaper and cooler that way.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2011, 12:52:41 AM
I know about the 4870x2, but that specific cards code name was the R700, so depending on what the "sources" meant by R700 base for the GPU, who knows what card they are using. I'm not ruling anything out, and I don't think they are using a straight off the shelf design. I'm sure it will be full customized and only based on one of those designs.

I also editing in a quote from the link in my last post.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 23, 2011, 06:02:44 AM
So Much for golf and bowling.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2011, 08:30:37 AM
01net says that the Wii tablet controller resembles the uDraw tablet in style and that this:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2uyga69.png)
is the closest mock-up to what the actual controller looks like at this point (design could change before release).

They also said the screen is in 16:9 ratio with a resolution of about 800x500 (sub-HD)


They said that heir sources can't confirm some details from IGN such as the SNES look and "Stream" name because they only have dev kits and the look of the system, the controller and even the name could change before actual release or reveal.

They also mention how June 2012 is the expected release date
http://www.01net.com/editorial/531993/project-cafe-quelques-precisions-sur-la-manette-et-le-streaming/ (http://www.01net.com/editorial/531993/project-cafe-quelques-precisions-sur-la-manette-et-le-streaming/)

Quote
"Streaming plays a central role in the attraction of this "Project Café. The console will be able to stream wirelessly streaming multiple types of streams (different media, games) to the knobs.This will make it possible to play without turning on the TV, or start a frenzied games on the big screen, and continue uninterrupted into the toilet. A real revolution!"
If thats the controller.  Lets not.  That is a horrible design and frankly if Nintendo is putting that out I'll go find a Shark for them to jump because, that is where there hardware design is going.  Everything handheld after the original GBA hasn't been that great either.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on April 23, 2011, 01:14:23 PM
So Much for golf and bowling.
Except that you can still use the Wii Remotes (and Motion+) with it. ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 23, 2011, 02:35:59 PM
"Everything handheld after the original GBA hasn't been that great either."

Really? You didn't like the GB:SP or the DS Lite or even the GB: Micro?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on April 23, 2011, 03:15:24 PM
I think what he's mainly talking about is the aesthetic design of the handhelds/consoles. They're all plain or "boxy" looking. The GBA really stood out because of it's aesthetic design... had some angular lines with some really cool color choices. I, to this day, still feel like the original GBA has a "cooler" and more ergonomic design style.  Whereas, the Wii and the DS line before it, have taken on this "Apple" style of design (as much as I love Apple products). But I don't feel like this design style really works for the video game realm.

I'm ready to see Nintendo go back to its days of really interesting looking design choices... consoles and controllers that had flair to them. I still LOVE the way the N64 console looks with its curved top, and the GameCube controller is still my favorite controller of all time. It just felt so right holding it.
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Post by: Stogi on April 23, 2011, 03:21:15 PM
I wish they'd bring back see-through. The see-through N64 was the ****.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 23, 2011, 03:33:09 PM
I wish they'd bring back see-through. The see-through N64 was the ****.

Wii 2 launch colors: Black, White and see-through.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2011, 04:13:43 PM
I made 3 quick mock-ups this morning. Thought I would post them here and see what you guys think.
I didn't get the screens to be exactly 16:9, didn't do a side, top, back, etc. version, but you get the point
2 shoulder buttons and 2 analog triggers on back of all shells.

version 1: Wiimote 2.0 insert, horizontal screen above controller, shell has extra analog and d-pad
(http://i51.tinypic.com/b9hdv7.jpg)

version 2: Wiimote 2.0v2 insert, horizontal screen next to controller, shell has 4 buttons and analog
(http://i51.tinypic.com/34g9iyw.jpg)

version 3: Wiimote 2.0v2 insert, vertical screen next to controller, shell has 4 buttons and analog
(http://i52.tinypic.com/107tf79.jpg)

This way both new controllers come in each box and both new controllers will be supported from the start.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 23, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
What about the nunchuck? Everyone keeps forgetting about that.
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Post by: MegaByte on April 23, 2011, 04:32:39 PM
Reminds me of
  (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/media/24843/4/1.jpg)
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Post by: ThePerm on April 23, 2011, 05:04:50 PM
I'd get back into the mockup business, but **** it. I had 1000 people posting "fake" on my youtube page when the fucking title says its a mockup. Then people who were also stupid would be like "well no, it has this, or that", when nobody knew at the time. Months later. Does anybody manage to look at the date of the video? A good 4 months before it was revealed? I just deleted the video so i wouldn't get anymore stupid messages. It did teach me a thing or so about tagging a video and getting hits.

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Post by: MegaByte on April 23, 2011, 05:17:14 PM
Eh, it's YouTube. Somebody the other day posted a comment on our channel asking whether Dream Trigger 3D was the sequel to Chrono Trigger.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 23, 2011, 05:31:29 PM
It is painful to read comments on Youtube. What you could have done is disabled comments for that video.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2011, 06:47:54 PM
Reminds me of
  [uDraw tablet]
It's supposed to. Rumor was that it looked similar to that.
What about the nunchuck? Everyone keeps forgetting about that.
I've already posted my nunchuck 2.0, Didn't think it was necessary to post again.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 23, 2011, 07:40:11 PM
Wasn't it THQ that made the uDraw tablet thing? It might just be a coincidence, but this might be an odd case where Nintendo copies someone else's idea instead of vice versa.
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Post by: King of Twitch on April 23, 2011, 08:38:08 PM
A $130 CONTROLLER?

GET OUTTA HERE
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Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2011, 09:55:45 PM
"Everything handheld after the original GBA hasn't been that great either."

Really? You didn't like the GB:SP or the DS Lite or even the GB: Micro?
Nope.  The GBA SP gave me cramps and just didn't feel right.  The DS Phat Cuts into me.  DS Lite I can't seem to go as long as I did on my GBA and eventually starts tweaking my thumbs.  The GBA Micro was ok to be fair its the only one I haven't had long play time on.  To this day I find my Original GBA to be the most ergonomic.  Now my 3DS has the best screen and I really dig the Circle Pad, its like the NES Max controller which I almost used exclusively in NES days because I liked how it felt,  I wished on it that the bottom curved like the GBA because those corners can dig in sometimes.

Also I want the first color to be Indigo.  My Cube, GBC ,and GBA where all Indigo.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 23, 2011, 10:17:04 PM
So Much for golf and bowling.
Except that you can still use the Wii Remotes (and Motion+) with it. ;)

But developers will use the Wii Remotes as much as they have used Gamecube controllers this generation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2011, 10:59:19 PM
Wasn't it THQ that made the uDraw tablet thing? It might just be a coincidence, but this might be an odd case where Nintendo copies someone else's idea instead of vice versa.
Or maybe Nintendo had planned to release something like that a while ago (Mario Paint?) but decided against it, but THQ had an idea to use with it so they finished co-development with Nintendo (which would explain why they never released it for another console) like Ubisoft did with the motion camera for Your Shape.
Title: No Friend Codes on Wii2?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2011, 11:44:35 PM
Sam Kennedy of 1up.com seems very confident that Wii2 will not have Friend Codes
http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3172958 (http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3172958)

he also says this:
-“Not just like a new controller,” implying that there’s something more to the system than simply a new input device.
-It’ll have a “Wii vibe” and high definition graphics, ”plus something,” meaning another feature we’re unaware of.
-Apparently Nintendo fans will be like “wow.”

http://wiihdrumors.com/the-wii-2-wont-use-friend-codes/ (http://wiihdrumors.com/the-wii-2-wont-use-friend-codes/)

the source above also points out some speculation from Variasuit.com about Nintendo having delayed the eShop for that same reason. Something that I speculated on and hope to be true. They are speculating that No Friend Codes on Wii2 and delayed eShop for 3DS leads to Nintendo working out the details of their new Account based system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on April 23, 2011, 11:48:04 PM
So Much for golf and bowling.
Except that you can still use the Wii Remotes (and Motion+) with it. ;)

But developers will use the Wii Remotes as much as they have used Gamecube controllers this generation.
Exactly.

And that's what thrills me to death. Time to get back to basics while reinventing the wheel. It's possible to do this with a more traditionally inclined controller. I'm sick of motion controls. And it seems that developers are, too. Yay.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 24, 2011, 12:23:24 AM
I don't want to use a handheld system to play my console games.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2011, 12:31:35 AM
I don't want to use a handheld system to play my console games.

I do.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 24, 2011, 12:33:39 AM
What's the point? Even Nintendo have said that the home and portable systems need to be unique. There's no reason to make a console more like a portable, just as making a portable more like a console doesn't really work out.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 24, 2011, 12:41:11 AM
-It’ll have a “Wii vibe”

The rest sounds very promising, but I can't say I'm happy about this "Wii Vibe" business. I was just browsing the Wii Shop Channel, and let me tell you listening to that Wii elevator music over and over and over on a loop makes me just want to blow my brains out.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2011, 12:43:29 AM

What's the point? Even Nintendo have said that the home and portable systems need to be unique. There's no reason to make a console more like a portable, just as making a portable more like a console doesn't really work out.

Maybe I'm just weird, but I'd prefer to play most games on a handheld. Unless it requires specific controls (motion, mouse/keyboard, or a special proprietary controller) or is more of a party game (something like Mario Party or Smash Bros. or Rock Band), I want to at least have the option of playing it on a handheld.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Nemo on April 24, 2011, 12:45:12 AM
I don't want to use a handheld system to play my console games.

I do. But only if it's the 3DS in some kind of super-cool, innovative way for one or two games. :B
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 24, 2011, 12:52:00 AM
Maybe I'm just weird, but I'd prefer to play most games on a handheld. Unless it requires specific controls (motion, mouse/keyboard, or a special proprietary controller) or is more of a party game (something like Mario Party or Smash Bros. or Rock Band), I want to at least have the option of playing it on a handheld.
Are you saying what you want is one unified game you can buy and play on both a console and a handheld? I'd be okay with that idea... though the current handhelds can't provide the same games as consoles can. They'd need better tech.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2011, 01:03:41 AM
Maybe I'm just weird, but I'd prefer to play most games on a handheld. Unless it requires specific controls (motion, mouse/keyboard, or a special proprietary controller) or is more of a party game (something like Mario Party or Smash Bros. or Rock Band), I want to at least have the option of playing it on a handheld.
Are you saying what you want is one unified game you can buy and play on both a console and a handheld? I'd be okay with that idea... though the current handhelds can't provide the same games as consoles can. They'd need better tech.

That would be awesome, but I'd settle for just being able to buy handheld versions of the console games. Playing games on a big screen doesn't appeal to me in the same way as watching movies or TV one one would, and since that's the one real advantage consoles have over handhelds, I'd rather just play handhelds. I'm really interested to see what comes of Sony's NGP, which seems to be a handheld PS3. If the thing gets real software support, I'll definitely buy one.

I like the idea that's been brought up of a console that can stream games to the controller with the screen. Even though I prefer handhelds, I spend most of my time playing them in my own home. I just like to be able to play them while I or someone else watches TV, or to take it from one room to another without much hassle. The streaming capability would give me the option of playing the same game on either my TV or on the handheld unit, presumably carrying over save data and all that between the two. I really hope that rumor is true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2011, 02:47:31 AM
You wouldn't presumably carry over save data if you're streaming the game to the controller, as you would be playing the game on the console but just viewing it on the controller. It's still the same game being played on the same system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on April 24, 2011, 07:08:09 AM
It is painful to read comments on Youtube. What you could have done is disabled comments for that video.

and then id get private messages
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 24, 2011, 08:58:29 AM
-It’ll have a “Wii vibe”

The rest sounds very promising, but I can't say I'm happy about this "Wii Vibe" business. I was just browsing the Wii Shop Channel, and let me tell you listening to that Wii elevator music over and over and over on a loop makes me just want to blow my brains out.
I just hope this means the new console will keep a Wii remote like controller in addition to whatever new controller is included. I think it's crazy that Nintendo would do away with the control scheme. They have to know it works very well and is the better control method for certain genres. Include both controllers (more buttons on the motion controller) so developers will make control schemes for both.
Title: Rumor Consolidation 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2011, 10:30:59 AM
Rumor Consolidation 2011

September 2010:
-Itagaki of Team Ninja hints at game Devil's Third being made for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670302#msg670302)

October 2010:
-Marvell QuadCore processors for new console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg637155#msg637155) - *This might have had something to do with Kinect, But I don't remember.
-IBM implies that Wii2 uses Cell based PPC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565)

November 2010:
-Marvell Quad cores gets a large order: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642274#msg642274) From large console manufacturer - *once again might be Kinect related.
-House of the Dead: Overkill 2 in the works (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642866#msg642866) 
-EA reviving NFL Blitz (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg644226#msg644226)

December 2010:

January 2011:
-UltraViolet Media Cloud service coming to a console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg648998#msg648998) - Most Likely Sony since Sony is a partner.
-New Pokemon game for Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg649154#msg649154)

February 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg657316#msg657316) according to THQ

March 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg661397#msg661397) according to EA
-AMD working on CPU/GPU combined chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release

April 2011:
-Monster Hunter 3DS to be announced soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg664597#msg664597)
-SSFIV3D connects to home console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg665437#msg665437) - Hint @ Wii2 from Capcom and 3DS -> Wii2 connectivity
-Wii price drop to $150 on May 15th (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666463#msg666463)
-Wii2 announcement @ E3: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666740#msg666740) 1080p HD, More powerful than PS360, BC with Wii, release late 2012 *Partially Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668832#msg668832)
-New Wii2 controller has HD screen built in (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666915#msg666915)
-Wii2 to use Bluray technology (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666928#msg666928)
-Wii2 actually aimed at early 2012 release (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666975#msg666975) (1st half 2012) *IGN backs this up in their mailbag (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668171#msg668171)*
-Controller Screen is actually a Touch Screen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666977#msg666977)
-Project Cafe: Wii2 Controller is a Tablet: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667008#msg667008) 6" touch Screen on Controller, front facing camera & doubles as sensor bar for BC *Codename Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778)
-Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667026#msg667026) Wii2 controller to rival 3DS, NGP, iPhone & iPad apparently
-1st & 3rd Party games @ E3 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667069#msg667069) EA, Ubisoft & Capcom all but confirmed
-Wii2 = TriCore PPC & R700 class GPU w/ 512+MB Ram (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667113#msg667113) Another surprise to be shown @ E3
-3rd Parties have had Wii2 Dev Kits for Months (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667129#msg667129), Has better Motion Tracking than Move
-Pikmin 3 moved to Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667251#msg667251) to be shown @ E3; Nintendo also in talks with R* for solid AAA support.
-Wii2 launch June 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667781#msg667781); Rockstar delivering game (?GTA V?) during launch window
-Wii2, 3DS & E3!? Oh Yes!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667939#msg667939); 3rd Parties taking a front seat this time around.
-Retro working on Wii2 game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667943#msg667943); and it's "a project everyone wants us to do" (Starfox? Zelda? New Original FPS?)
-Retro's new game is actually Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668169#msg668169)
-"Where there's smoke, there's fire" - Miyamoto's comment on Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668209#msg668209) - He also said not to believe everything you hear though.
-Wii2 controller has a 6.2" screen and 8 buttons (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668218#msg668218)
-1up says: No Friend Codes for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668681#msg668681)
-Retro making DKCR sequel for Wii2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668753#msg668753)
-Project Cafe Codename Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778); 01net rumors now have even more credibility
-Nintendo Select = $19.99 Players Choice line? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669695#msg669695) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34261.msg670710#msg670710)
-Project Cafe E3 Publishers List? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670039#msg670039)
-Haptic Feedback & Vitality Sensor Built In? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670488#msg670488)
-Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc & 1080p (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670741#msg670741)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2011, 01:19:25 PM
It appears that the Project Cafe code name may have some truth behind it.
This is as close to a confirmation of one of the rumors we will get until it comes out of Nintendo's own mouth, which will hopefully be 12am pst/3am est Monday nite during the Nintendo Investors meeting @4pm JPN Time on the 26th.

Quote from: wsippel @ NeoGAF
Well, it seems whoever was first on reporting the codename was definitely up to something. Try this:

https://www.warioworld.com/nitro/ (https://www.warioworld.com/nitro/)
https://www.warioworld.com/wii/ (https://www.warioworld.com/wii/)
https://www.warioworld.com/ctr/ (https://www.warioworld.com/ctr/)

Works, right? Now lets make something up:

https://www.warioworld.com/neogaf/ (https://www.warioworld.com/neogaf/)
https://www.warioworld.com/believe/ (https://www.warioworld.com/believe/)

404, obviously. Now try this:

https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/ (https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/)



For those that don't get it, WarioWare.com is a Nintendo development site.


If you put the codename/name of several systems it takes you to the front page. You put something that isn't Nintendo's, then you get an error.

https://www.warioworld.com/NWR/ = 404 error
but https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/ = working page
Title: Retro making DKCR2 for Wii2?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2011, 04:58:57 PM
Another (more reliable site?) says that Retro's showcase title for Wii2 that they've been working on for some time now is actually a sequel to Donkey Kong Country Returns.
http://www.fudzilla.com/games/item/22483-new-donkey-kong-country-for-wii2 (http://www.fudzilla.com/games/item/22483-new-donkey-kong-country-for-wii2)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 24, 2011, 05:09:43 PM
Man BlackNMild you are one super sleuth! Thats the right word isn't it?

I would love to see another DK for the Wii2, espeically with Dixie and more animal buddies reintroduced, but what about the interview with them saying they would not be doing another DK for a while?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2011, 06:23:24 PM
How long is a while?

It's also possible that they are finally working on more than one project at the moment too. So when they say they won't be working on one for a while, that could mean we won't see it for atleast a year, or maybe this rumor is just BS. We won't know either way until someone official starts talking . So maybe Late Monday nite or the usual "Wait till E3"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 24, 2011, 06:44:31 PM
Another (more reliable site?) says that Retro's showcase title for Wii2 that they've been working on for some time now is actually a sequel to Donkey Kong Country Returns.
http://www.fudzilla.com/games/item/22483-new-donkey-kong-country-for-wii2 (http://www.fudzilla.com/games/item/22483-new-donkey-kong-country-for-wii2)

They're going to make 3 Donkey Kong Country Returns games and then after that they'll make a Limited Edition DKCR Prime Trilogy which will have all of them on one disc.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2011, 07:45:43 PM
Retro is hiring what amounts to another whole development team, so unless they're losing a lot of people, it seems like the studio is expanding to allow for more simultaneous projects.
Title: Cafe Codename Confirmed - 01net leaked the info
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2011, 11:08:05 PM
It appears that the Project Cafe code name may have some truth behind it.
This is as close to a confirmation of one of the rumors we will get until it comes out of Nintendo's own mouth, which will hopefully be 12am pst/3am est Monday nite during the Nintendo Investors meeting @4pm JPN Time on the 26th.

Quote from: wsippel @ NeoGAF
Well, it seems whoever was first on reporting the codename was definitely up to something. Try this:

https://www.warioworld.com/nitro/ (https://www.warioworld.com/nitro/)
https://www.warioworld.com/wii/ (https://www.warioworld.com/wii/)
https://www.warioworld.com/ctr/ (https://www.warioworld.com/ctr/)

Works, right? Now lets make something up:

https://www.warioworld.com/neogaf/ (https://www.warioworld.com/neogaf/)
https://www.warioworld.com/believe/ (https://www.warioworld.com/believe/)

404, obviously. Now try this:

https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/ (https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/)



For those that don't get it, WarioWare.com is a Nintendo development site.


If you put the codename/name of several systems it takes you to the front page. You put something that isn't Nintendo's, then you get an error.

https://www.warioworld.com/NWR/ (https://www.warioworld.com/NWR/) = 404 error
but https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/ (https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/) = working page
Looks like they have a Cafe header image up and ready. code name confirmed.

https://www.warioworld.com/images/cafe/cafe_header.jpg (https://www.warioworld.com/images/cafe/cafe_header.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/abCWj.jpg)

https://www.warioworld.com/images/splash/cafe_high.jpg (https://www.warioworld.com/images/splash/cafe_high.jpg) / https://www.warioworld.com/images/splash/cafe_low.jpg (https://www.warioworld.com/images/splash/cafe_low.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LKNHW.jpg)

That puts some weight behind everythign else that 01net.com has leaked so far.


Everything 01net has said so far (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668794#msg668794)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 24, 2011, 11:17:42 PM
It appears that the Project Cafe code name may have some truth behind it.
This is as close to a confirmation of one of the rumors we will get until it comes out of Nintendo's own mouth, which will hopefully be 12am pst/3am est Monday nite during the Nintendo Investors meeting @4pm JPN Time on the 26th.

Quote from: wsippel @ NeoGAF
Well, it seems whoever was first on reporting the codename was definitely up to something. Try this:

https://www.warioworld.com/nitro/ (https://www.warioworld.com/nitro/)
https://www.warioworld.com/wii/ (https://www.warioworld.com/wii/)
https://www.warioworld.com/ctr/ (https://www.warioworld.com/ctr/)

Works, right? Now lets make something up:

https://www.warioworld.com/neogaf/ (https://www.warioworld.com/neogaf/)
https://www.warioworld.com/believe/ (https://www.warioworld.com/believe/)

404, obviously. Now try this:

https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/ (https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/)



For those that don't get it, WarioWare.com is a Nintendo development site.


If you put the codename/name of several systems it takes you to the front page. You put something that isn't Nintendo's, then you get an error.

https://www.warioworld.com/NWR/ = 404 error
but https://www.warioworld.com/cafe/ = working page
Looks like they have a Cafe header image up and ready. code name confirmed.

https://www.warioworld.com/images/cafe/cafe_header.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/abCWj.jpg)
I'm so going to laugh if in the end of this we find that Nintendo actually changed the codename just for the hype that was being caused by Project Cafe.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 24, 2011, 11:17:47 PM
Funny thing. I found this independently and was writing up the story. I wish I had looked sooner.
I'm so going to laugh if in the end of this we find that Nintendo actually changed the codename just for the hype that was being caused by Project Cafe.
As you can see from my story, I checked out the image dates, and they're from before the rumors first broke.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2011, 11:23:25 PM
We need to bring BnM on as Rumors Editor.
Title: Everything 01net has said so far
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 12:19:25 AM
Everything 01net has said so far
- Wii2 = "Project Café"

- Developer quotes: graphics capabilities "roughly equal to those of the Xbox 360", performance "over the Xbox 360, but just a notch".

- custom IBM PowerPC CPU with three cores

- RAM: unknown. 01net speculates: It would be logical that it is a unified RAM, like the 360, with a minimum of 512 MB

- Graphics processor: AMD (ATI) - probably a series R700, with a shader (for managing the effects) more recent than the Xbox 360 (probably version 4.1).

- controller has a 6" touch screen; 16:9, Single Touch, Sub HD with a resolution of ~800 x 500

- a front-facing camera

- Standard set of buttons (D-Pad, two bumpers, two triggers (4 face buttons?) & IR lights (like a sensor bar)

- Wireless streaming of video content to controllers w/o need for TV.

- Controllers are clients, all processing is done on the console then streamed in HQ with no lag

- Another Surprise feature

- To be revealed at E3

- Launch in June 2012

- Rockstar among 1st to recieve SDK's and have a game planned

- Controller Mockup closest to actual controller according to their source "looks like a close cousin of the uDraw Tablet":
(http://i.imgur.com/sqjW5.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 25, 2011, 12:19:41 AM
BnM should be paid for the work he does.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2011, 12:25:41 AM
If the staff doesn't get paid, none of you forum people do either.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on April 25, 2011, 12:42:43 AM
Man, BnM is like a machine lol.  He must be getting a constant feed of rumors fed to him directly lol.  Anyways, I was thinking, what if the control comes with a stand built into the back of the controller so that you can stream Netflix movies right onto the remote providing you with a somewhat portable movie player.  This would be sweet especially if you can attach headphones to this thing.  Also, I hope this comes with a protective sleeve becuase I would hate to crack that big screen.
 
Personally, I'm really excited for what this controller will bring to the table, specifically western rpgs.  I'm a huge fan of western open world rpgs and many problems these games have when released on consoles is that developers have a difficult time squezing all the items, skills, and magic onto a quick easy access method for the user.  Usually these games resort to a radial menu which, although nice, is not the same as having a keyboard on a pc with all the buttons mapped out to your hearts content.  With this controller though, you can have all your items on the touchscreen in a scrolling collums.  Lets say, all your skills on a scrolling collum on the right side of the screen near your thumb.  All you'll have to do is scroll the collum up or down to access your full list of skills.  They can have another icon on the screen you can touch to switch to the magic, or item collums.  You can also implement maps on the screen which you can manipulate with your finger such as leave notes on specific points of interest or treasur chests you are unable to open at that time.  The nice thing is that since the map is literally in your hands it'll help emerse you more into the rpg experience.  You can also have little mini games on the touchscreen for alchemy and item forging.  All of this is just for the wrpg genre so imagine what could be done in others.  Let me leave it at that though, this thread isn't the place for such talk lol.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 02:10:04 AM
Fake or not, this one keeps popping up
I'm also sure that this next pic is a fake, but this rumor thread don't discriminate.

http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg)

That screen doesn't look 6", but I like the ideas behind the screen in the controller.

Another pic
http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg)

Innovation Reinvented

Project Cafe is simply the most development friendly SDK the industry has ever seen. Deliver unparalleled next generation performance at current generation cost. It doesn't get any easier than this.

-easy portability from PC, Xbox 360
-anytime live update past release
-Integrated Ai-Live framework

(http://i.imgur.com/6BVpS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/yNj6o.jpg)

Looks a little small in those pics according to the IGN rumor (about the size of the Original Xbox).
Actually it looks a little small regardless of what size IGN said. That thing looks to be a little smaller than a Wii.


These are obviously fake and the reflection looks very photoshopped in the first pic, but the light is on in both pics and the console is not even plugged in.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 25, 2011, 03:02:18 AM
Being incredibly easy to port games to it from the 360/PC is an extremely beneficial feature, and that should go a long way towards improving multiplatform support. However, hearing that this thing is only going to be on par with a 360 makes my stomach drop, because I was really hoping for something that would be ahead of the competition by leaps and bounds. Let's say MS and/or Sony comes out with their own successor 2 years down the road. Then its just going to be like the Wii all over again, where Nintendo is stuck with outdated hardware while the competition has moved on with the PS4/720.

BnM, its difficult to judge the size of that thing in the picture because there isn't much to reference it with. If there were some objects on the table next to it like a pen or a coin or something then we could get a better idea.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2011, 03:09:48 AM
I know it's a mockup, but if the vertical slot on the side with the lights is the disc drive, then it would be about original Xbox in size.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: rad.i.kal on April 25, 2011, 03:13:04 AM
that is one awesome mockup!


I hope that is it and I think it could be that the table is big and the console is the size of an OG xbox
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on April 25, 2011, 03:14:05 AM
Nice finds BnM.

No matter whether Cafe has extra streams, the power of the NES, no motion controller, or makes real coffee I think we can all agree that the IGN Xbox size rumor has to be bullshit.

Those pics have a cool Wii form factor.
Title: BREAKING NEWS!!! - Nintendo Talks
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 03:29:16 AM
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110425_4e.pdf (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110425_4e.pdf)

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2dmgxef.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on April 25, 2011, 03:56:04 AM
2012 seems right to me.  It was the earliest I predicted that Nintendo would launch a successor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2011, 04:07:47 AM
Interesting that it will be playable at E3, and it's not slated for this fiscal year, which pretty much kills the idea of a Q1 launch like the 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 05:19:51 AM
It can still have a Q1 launch.... it'll just be for FY2013 instead.

Nintendo will even have a chance to HYPE the launch party of Wii2 at E3 2012 a few weeks before they release it. June 2012 Launch
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 25, 2011, 06:40:26 AM
Actually the line stating Sales have not been included in the financial forecasts announced today...tends to make me think that it WILL be launched before the end of the 2011 fiscal year.  Meaning before March 2012 but most likely ruling out holiday 2011.

I read it as business speak.  There is no way for Nintendo to accurately predict sales of this system and the interest in the system without first announcing it and seeing public reaction.  Nintendo probably hasn't developed a price point to do profit margin analysis yet.  Therefore, they CAN NOT responsibly predict the expected sales and profits from the system...and therefore MUST present its numbers without said data.  However, once proper analysis has been done, an investor meeting will be held which will add this data in.

I think the fact they are announcing playable demos at E3 means alot.  I see this coming out big in March 2012.  I think a slow burn for the 3DS into the holiday season will actually be very good for the system, and will allow the 2011 holiday season to be filled with great games for the system.  The same would be true with the Wii 2.  It allows for time to build hype that can be delivered upon for the holiday season.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 07:25:44 AM
If the staff doesn't get paid, none of you forum people do either.
You were cool before you became staff.

This is an excellent time to get your official exact date and price guess in:
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34112.0
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2011, 07:30:45 AM
That's a lie. I was never cool.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 25, 2011, 07:54:22 AM
What do you mean by "you forum people"? :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 25, 2011, 11:56:29 AM
Being incredibly easy to port games to it from the 360/PC is an extremely beneficial feature, and that should go a long way towards improving multiplatform support. However, hearing that this thing is only going to be on par with a 360 makes my stomach drop, because I was really hoping for something that would be ahead of the competition by leaps and bounds. Let's say MS and/or Sony comes out with their own successor 2 years down the road. Then its just going to be like the Wii all over again, where Nintendo is stuck with outdated hardware while the competition has moved on with the PS4/720.

There is still hope, IGN's trusted sources say it is significantly more powerful than PS360, visually I can't really imagine what that looks like, but just trying to give you more to look forward to.
 
Edit:
Actually I saw last page it said Graphics on par with 360, IGN just says significantly more powerful in a general sense. So I don't know.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 12:55:24 PM
Xbit labs seems to think that the Projevt Cafe is runninging on a "R700-like" (Evergreen) GPU. They mean an 4870x2 like GPU in the HD 5XXX(Evergreen) family which is a series of 2009 DX11 GPUs, not 2008 GPU's like the R700 which is out of the HD4XXX family.
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In fact, the Cafe reportedly resembles Xbox 360 even "anatomically": it is based on custom triple-core IBM Power microprocessor and features ATI R700-like (Evergreen) custom graphics engine.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20110422090131_Nintendo_s_Next_Gen_Console_Code_Named_Cafe_Report.html

I wish what they were saying is true, but they site their source as 01net, who only said R700....
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 01:04:00 PM
Fake or not, this one keeps popping up
I'm also sure that this next pic is a fake, but this rumor thread don't discriminate.

http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg)

That screen doesn't look 6", but I like the ideas behind the screen in the controller.

Another pic
http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg)

Innovation Reinvented

Project Cafe is simply the most development friendly SDK the industry has ever seen. Deliver unparalleled next generation performance at current generation cost. It doesn't get any easier than this.

-easy portability from PC, Xbox 360
-anytime live update past release
-Integrated Ai-Live framework

http://i.imgur.com/6BVpS.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/6BVpS.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/yNj6o.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/yNj6o.jpg)

Looks a little small in those pics according to the IGN rumor (about the size of the Original Xbox).
Actually it looks a little small regardless of what size IGN said. That thing looks to be a little smaller than a Wii.

These are obviously fake and the reflection looks very photoshopped in the first pic, but the light is on in both pics and the console is not even plugged in.

One more pic
(http://i.imgur.com/pDxJP.jpg)
Title: Account Log-ins for Cafe? Nintendo Patent - Pub. 4/19/2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 01:29:13 PM
One more thing. A Nintendo Patent Published on the 19th of April 2011
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7929911.html (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7929911.html)
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Wireless communication game system
United States Patent 7929911

A wireless communication game system includes a plurality of mobile game apparatuses, which function as a parent device or a child device and are capable of making a communication with each other, and broadcasts from the parent device a parent device packet including a parent device PID, a user name UserName, a game name GameName, an OC flag, an E slot, a U slot, and a payload. All the parent device packets are received from the parent device existing within a communicationable range of a user's own apparatus, and the user's own apparatus creates a parent device list, and displays the parent device list on an LCD. Therefore, a user or a player of his own apparatus looks at the game name of the parent device list, for example, and operates a cross key included in an operation key so as to select one desired parent device. Then, transmitting a child device number CID of the user's own apparatus at the E slot designated by the parent device packet, the user's own apparatus transmits a connection request to the parent device.

I would use bolding, but then I would just end up bolding the entire thing.
Does that sound like an account based log-in to anyone else?

I'm thinking Master/Slave (Console/Controller) where the user logs in through the controller and then preset parental controls (stored on the console) block what that user is able to see, do, access & play based on built in game/movie ratings and and parental restrictions.


To take that idea even further (since I've speculated on something similar before), you could log in and your custom menu comes up with your personalized Mii and your own personal friends list. You will have access to the game/movie in the drive (parental controls permitting) or the eShop, Nintendo Channel or Internet browser by default. More customization comes just like the Wii Home Screen where you can choose the Games/Channels/Appz that sit on your home screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 01:34:49 PM
One more thing. A Nintendo Patent Published on the 19th of April 2011
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7929911.html (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7929911.html)
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Wireless communication game system
United States Patent 7929911

A wireless communication game system includes a plurality of mobile game apparatuses, which function as a parent device or a child device and are capable of making a communication with each other, and broadcasts from the parent device a parent device packet including a parent device PID, a user name UserName, a game name GameName, an OC flag, an E slot, a U slot, and a payload. All the parent device packets are received from the parent device existing within a communicationable range of a user's own apparatus, and the user's own apparatus creates a parent device list, and displays the parent device list on an LCD. Therefore, a user or a player of his own apparatus looks at the game name of the parent device list, for example, and operates a cross key included in an operation key so as to select one desired parent device. Then, transmitting a child device number CID of the user's own apparatus at the E slot designated by the parent device packet, the user's own apparatus transmits a connection request to the parent device.

I would use bolding, but then I would just end up bolding the entire thing.
Does that sound like an account based log-in to anyone else?

I'm thinking Master/Slave (Console/Controller) where the user logs in through the controller and then preset parental controls (stored on the console) block what that user is able to see, do, access & play based on built in game/movie ratings and and parental restrictions.


To take that idea even further (since I've speculated on something similar before), you could log in and your custom menu comes up with your personalized Mii and your own personal friends list. You will have access to the game/movie in the drive (parental controls permitting) or the eShop, Nintendo Channel or Internet browser by default. More customization comes just like the Wii Home Screen where you can choose the Games/Channels/Appz that sit on your home screen.
This also sounds like the logical expansion of the Wiimote Memory idea that didn't take off where the console is who you are.  So you take it somewhere else and there you are.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 25, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
However, hearing that this thing is only going to be on par with a 360 makes my stomach drop, because I was really hoping for something that would be ahead of the competition by leaps and bounds. Let's say MS and/or Sony comes out with their own successor 2 years down the road. Then its just going to be like the Wii all over again, where Nintendo is stuck with outdated hardware while the competition has moved on with the PS4/720.

Agreed.  If they do this we'll have good times for a couple of years and then everything will be fucked all over again.  Third parties don't give a **** about stupid little screens.  They want to make multiplatform games.

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I don't want to use a handheld system to play my console games.

I don't either.  But it sounds like I'll be able to play stuff on the TV so that will work okay for me.  I predict that either the screen will be used for connectivity gimmicks, (hopefully) a DS player, and the odd game that you can "take with you" which will probably be mini-games within the game or scaled down titles because they aren't going to get the tech they need for the "real" games into the controller.  Even streaming there would be lag.  They'll push the screen gimmick but the meat and potatoes will be playing the thing on your TV like a normal console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 01:46:45 PM
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I don't want to use a handheld system to play my console games.

I don't either.  But it sounds like I'll be able to play stuff on the TV so that will work okay for me.  I predict that either the screen will be used for connectivity gimmicks, (hopefully) a DS player, and the odd game that you can "take with you" which will probably be mini-games within the game or scaled down titles because they aren't going to get the tech they need for the "real" games into the controller.  Even streaming there would be lag.  They'll push the screen gimmick but the meat and potatoes will be playing the thing on your TV like a normal console.

The rumor states that the controller is a client that is streamed to from the console. The console does all or most of the processing. New HDstreaming tech has far less lag than your LCD screen/monitor, so you would see it practically the same as you would on your TV.

I've posted a vid of the HDwifi or whatever it was called before. I'll edit it in if I find it again though.

edit:
AMD demonstrating HD streaming tech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8omefUZik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8omefUZik)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
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I don't want to use a handheld system to play my console games.

I don't either.  But it sounds like I'll be able to play stuff on the TV so that will work okay for me.  I predict that either the screen will be used for connectivity gimmicks, (hopefully) a DS player, and the odd game that you can "take with you" which will probably be mini-games within the game or scaled down titles because they aren't going to get the tech they need for the "real" games into the controller.  Even streaming there would be lag.  They'll push the screen gimmick but the meat and potatoes will be playing the thing on your TV like a normal console.

The rumor states that the controller is a client that is streamed to from the console. The console does all or most of the processing. New HDstreaming tech has far less lag than your LCD screen/monitor, so you would see it practically the same as you would on your TV.

I've posted a vid of the HDwifi or whatever it was called before. I'll edit it in if I find it again though.

edit:
AMD demonstrating HD streaming tech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8omefUZik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8omefUZik)
On a technical sidenote I wonder what Frequencies are being used for that tech, I didn't see it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 25, 2011, 01:54:42 PM
One more thing. A Nintendo Patent Published on the 19th of April 2011
But filed in 2002 (Japan) / 2003 (US).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 02:01:09 PM
One more thing. A Nintendo Patent Published on the 19th of April 2011
But filed in 2002 (Japan) / 2003 (US).
Which means its a well aged plan.  Not uncommon for Nintendo.
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Post by: MegaByte on April 25, 2011, 02:05:55 PM
If you look at the patent details, it's basically describing the Nintendo DS multiplayer system.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 02:38:40 PM
All that patent talk is confusing. But I admit that I didn't skim through the 44 pages of that patent and only read the abstract.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7929911.pdf
Although Fig. 10 of pg 6 of 27 does look interesting based in how I interpreted the abstract.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
First off is it the goal of every patent to look as close to the time of type writers as possible.
Second looking at the use-cases later on real quick and like.  This looks like a tethered GBA with a Touchscreen.  Can have carts but if it doesn't it calls home to see what can come from their.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 25, 2011, 03:08:27 PM
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The rumor states that the controller is a client that is streamed to from the console. The console does all or most of the processing. New HDstreaming tech has far less lag than your LCD screen/monitor, so you would see it practically the same as you would on your TV.

What sort of distance are we talking about with HDstreaming?  If I play downstairs and I go to the bathroom upstairs on the other side of the house can I still play?  What sort of things can cause interference?

If it is just "hey it's a portable but you can only play it at home" well the idea is toast.  Who would care about that?  At the very least it needs to work as a standard console hooking up to your TV.  The streaming option would work fine if the TV is in use by someone else but as the main method of play, it's pretty stupid.  Might as well use a 3DS.  After all this isn't that huge of a screen that's being rumoured.  If it was something laptop size then there is some advantage to having a portable console you can move around the house.  But a 6 inch screen is like the size of the two DS screens so, again, if that's it it's pretty pointless.

I also would argue that this solves a non-existent problem or perhaps one that only applies to Japan.  It is very common to have multiple TVs in a household and when I was a kid a lot of families had some secondary TV that the console was hooked up to.  If the parents wanted to watch TV then the kids played Nintendo in their room or the basement.  This isn't the 50's where you have one TV and no way to record shows.  And if you can't play games on your console you could always play on your Game Boy.  Nintendo has more or less been providing the solution to this problem for over 20 years already anyway.

I should also note that with a lot of hardcore gamers, single men in their 20's, this is also a complete non-issue.  Once you have the wife and kids that fight for your TV time your videogame time PERIOD is compromised.  If you have to fight to use the TV you're not going to have the freedom to go off with your Cafe tablet either.

Now if this is all an option and the controllers don't cost a hundred bucks, this is pretty cool.  It should be "can't play on the TV?  Use the controller screen!" and not "use the controller screen no matter what all the time!"  Then you're not providing me a service, you're giving me a non-portable handheld like the Virtual Boy.

There's the smart way to do this and the goofy stupid way to do it.  And you can guess which one I fear Nintendo is going with.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 25, 2011, 03:10:24 PM
About this investor's meeting, can we really expect anything more than a few choice quotes?
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 25, 2011, 03:24:05 PM
About this investor's meeting, can we really expect anything more than a few choice quotes?
Probably not, but BnM loves the hype train so he's rolling with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 03:27:36 PM
About this investor's meeting, can we really expect anything more than a few choice quotes?
11.5 hours and we will find out.

Quote from: Ian
concerns over Nintendo fixing problems that don't concern him

You have to remember that Nintendo is a Family Oriented company, so they are thinking of the entire family.

You say people can just go play their consoles on another TV, but who really wants to go digging behind their TV to unhook the console and move it to another TV everytime the GF/Wife needs to watch her shows or you need to watch the game? In that moment you can just stream to the controller instead and carry on with what you were doing.

In other occasions the devs could use the controller screen like it was a DS HD or use the touch screen for puzzle elements or Mario Paint HD. At the same time, I'm sure it would be programmed to be compatible with NoTV Stream Mode as well.

Other instances will be able to use the screen controller for a personal screen to avoid screen cheating, like split screen local multi during a FPS hide and seek death match or picking plays on Madden 2013 or creating audibles on the fly.

There are tons of uses for a screen in the controller and being able to switch the game from the TV down to that screen in your controller. I for one might like to continue my game while I it in the kitchen with my girl and help her cook without having to run back and forth to and from the bedroom or maybe take it outside/in the garage and keep playing while watching the kids/dog/etc/whatever.

As far as distance, I'm not sure, but I would assume it would work like Wifi and have stronger signals the closer you are, so I wouldn't wander too far off. Frequencies likely shouldn't see any interference from the usual sources (cell phone, cordless, wifi, microwave, etc.). If you really need to travel and think you may be out of range, you still have the 3DS as an option though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on April 25, 2011, 03:32:55 PM
My gaming time has severely been cut back due to the son and wife.  However, sometimes I sit on the couch and play quick games on my iPhone while watching him as does my wife.  This idea that I can let him do his thing and I can play at the same time sounds interesting.  I can replace my phoen with my Cafe controller.  It'll more likely have much better games anyways. 

As time passes, he and I will be able to play games together on separate screens.  That'll be awesome.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 25, 2011, 03:35:08 PM
Again, I'm surprised by you Ian. All you preach is: Options! Give me options! Well, it seems like Nintendo is doing that and more, yet you still bash them for solving a "non-existent" problem.

I'm a little skeptical too, but at least I can see how this could revolutionize how we define console gaming. A gaming hub sounds especially cool, which is unlike Nintendo. The ability to play anywhere in your house, then without skipping a beat, turn on your TV and play it there sounds incredible.

What I've been salivating over is "What's going to happen once somebody jailbreaks it?" Can I make it my media hub? If the little screen is 3D, can I watch movies on it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2011, 03:39:06 PM
The talk is that it will be a simple receiver/input device, with no actual computing going on in it. That means using it for non-sanctioned things will either be extremely easy or damn near impossible, depending on what kind of wireless standard Nintendo uses.
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Post by: Stogi on April 25, 2011, 03:44:13 PM
My money is on extremely easy once somebody hacks the actual console since I see Nintendo themselves offering their own version of what I'm talking about with VC and Netflix on the go.

But who knows what'll happen.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 25, 2011, 03:45:33 PM
How much will Nintendo charge for their HD games? Will they go the route of Sony and Microsoft and sell their titles for $59.99 each? It seems to me that games are far too expensive these days and the prices need to come down. This is why I am looking forward to Nintendo selling the Wii 2 games for $49.99 a piece, but with the rise in the price of 3DS games, I am a little worried as what Nintendo will charge once the Wii 2 is out on store shelves.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 25, 2011, 03:47:35 PM
You obviously don't remember the n64 days with $70+ games.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 25, 2011, 03:49:06 PM
You obviously don't remember the n64 days with $70+ games.

I was a Sony fanboy in those days and did not buy my own games.
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Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 03:49:30 PM
I'm really hoping they allow this to be a media hub as well.  My PS3 is basically a Media machine and since it is  I can't play games on it because my wife is using it.  If she could stream netflix from the Super Wii while I play my Super Wii game on the screen that would be great.
 
I remember when a PC Game could command $100 in snes day dollars.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 03:56:12 PM
What I've been salivating over is "What's going to happen once somebody jailbreaks it?" Can I make it my media hub? If the little screen is 3D, can I watch movies on it?

Damn, I didn't even think about that. If this console actually packs some power and can do multi-streams of unrelated content.... could I stream Netflix to one controller while someone on another controller picks it up and plays Angry Birds while a 3rd controller is playing SMBHD on the TV?

I'm not sure what the console will be capable out of the box, so I'm not really sure what to expect from a jail broken console or homebrew appz, but just the idea of being able to push content out to the controllers or use the controller like an internet tablet without using the TV... or while playing a game on the TV takes my anticipation level to over 9000. There is just so much potential here for real innovation in not just the hardware, but the software and it's place in the home. I'm really hoping Nintendo doesn't cheap out on us this time around by being conservative with RAM, included Storage Space or CPU/GPU specs.

They don't need to build a supercomputer like Sony did with PS3, but something highly efficient (like usual) with enough left over to really push things a few years down the line.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 25, 2011, 04:18:24 PM
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Again, I'm surprised by you Ian. All you preach is: Options! Give me options! Well, it seems like Nintendo is doing that and more, yet you still bash them for solving a "non-existent" problem.

My concern is that this won't be an option and I'll be stuck having to play on the controller when I don't want to.  The Wii solved a problem that didn't apply to me either... and essentially didn't provide the option, forcing waggle into most of Nintendo's games with no workaround.

Nintendo doesn't really provide options so when they offer some sort of new alternative it really is a replacement.  The "option" becomes going with Nintendo's goofy way or going with another console.  I want this as an option and that means I can never use this streaming controller idea if I don't want to (except for maybe a small pocket of games that use both the TV and controller screen at the same time).  With Nintendo's track record you never know if an "option" is truly optional.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 04:24:37 PM
This is probably the borest of uses but Cooking recipes in the kitchen...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 04:44:10 PM
Another thing I just thought of.

The IR sensors in the Cafe Controller.
What if the tablet controller comes with a charging dock that stande teh controller up with a slight tilt away from the user.
(http://i.imgur.com/xTWtE.gif)
(like the stand for my Droid X)

now the IR sensors on the front of the upright controller would function as the sensor bar for the wiimote. This actually eliminates some issues that lots of people currently have with the sensor bar and glare or other light sources in the room. Now everyone can focus towards a much closer sensor that would eliminate the finger jitter for the pointer or even a centralized/personal screen with HUD info, private messages or video chat.
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Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 04:51:03 PM
My wife has a Palm Pre and it has and Inductive charging stand for it we got her.  Its sweet but, when its put on there it is held to the center by magnets and goes into a desk type mode.  That would be sweet for the controller.

(The clock isn't pictured in this picture)
(http://assets2.precentral.net/images/product_images/accessories/additional_images/5877/large/2.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 04:59:32 PM
Digital Foundry is chiming in from their "sources' and I'm not really feeling HYPE dampening words they have to deliver
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-project-cafe-rumour-analysis?page=2 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-project-cafe-rumour-analysis?page=2)
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In terms of available power, R700 scales up from anything from a low-power Radeon HD 4350 with 80 streaming processing units all the way to the HD 4890 that utilises 10 times as many. Optimistic speculation zeroes in on the HD 4770 as the most likely candidate for inclusion in Cafe, but our sources suggest that the overall profile of the GPU is much closer to the Xbox 360 - and we've even heard that in some applications it may even operate at a deficit compared to Xenos.

While this may come as a disappointment to many, it's important to remember that Nintendo has achieved incredible success in recent years through a combination of factors: new concepts that appeal to a mainstream audience, a price point that's "right" straight from launch, per-unit profitability from day one and not getting involved in spec wars with rival manufacturers. Wii - and perhaps Project Cafe - aren't consoles with 10-year lifecycles in the way that Xbox 360 and PS3 need to be in order to recoup their costs.

I will be disappointed if Nintendo sells up a slightly upgraded 360 like they did with the slightly upgraded GC that was the Wii. This device has too much potential (based on rumors and speculations) to be squandered away for higher profit margins. But I will reserve judgement until I see what Nintendo has to offer. The HYPE train slows down for no one.


edit: But then again Digital Foundry also said this in that same article
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What's almost as interesting as the rumours themselves right now are the topics not being addressed by the speculation. For example, how much RAM does Project Cafe have? With the 3DS packing 512MB, we would expect more: at least 1GB. And what about onboard storage: iOS-style flash RAM, SD card support or onboard HDD? Assuming an optical drive, is it DVD or Blu-ray based? Can movies be streamed across to the controllers too?

So maybe they just have all their facts messed up and throw their statement on the HYPE trains tracks to get runover and flattened like the penny their thoughts might be worth?

edit: I guess I should point out that IGN also said that there would be a Pre-Announcement and a reveal at E3, both of which were confirmed. They also said that the Cafe (possibly called Stream) was "Significantly More Powerful Than PS360" and would be released in June 2012.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 25, 2011, 05:12:17 PM
chugga chugga CHOO CHOO Hype Train!
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Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2011, 05:13:03 PM
chugga chugga CHOO CHOO Hype Train!
Please... Hype Trains are Mag Lev Bullet trains.

*Swoosh Swoosh*
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 25, 2011, 06:56:54 PM
But the HYPE train has to make the 'choo choo' noises. Perhaps an old-fashioned steam train but with Mag Lev instead of regular wheels on the bottom?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on April 25, 2011, 07:17:17 PM
I'd post a hype train .gif here but it specifically calls out NeoGAF so it wouldn't be appropriate.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 07:38:11 PM
We don't need either of those where we're going

(http://i55.tinypic.com/24brdl1.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 25, 2011, 08:00:17 PM
I never get sick of seeing that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 25, 2011, 08:08:52 PM
I am prepared to ride the hype train this year into a blaze of glory because I missed it last year with the 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 25, 2011, 08:52:37 PM
Has there been rumors about where specifically the cameras are on the controller?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 25, 2011, 08:54:06 PM
the cameras point at your crotch while playing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
I wondering whether it's going to be used for Video Chat or AR.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on April 25, 2011, 09:20:08 PM
We don't need either of those where we're going

(http://i55.tinypic.com/24brdl1.jpg)

You are a good man, sir. (But not necessarily a good mansir).
Title: 4Chan Cafe "Leak"
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2011, 09:28:22 PM
I'm only posting this because i Don't want someone else to get their hopes up and come in here to post it.

*This is more than likely complete and total bullshit - Fanboy fantasy leak*

This is a 4chan leak making it's rounds on IGN boards and whatnot.
4chan (http://4chan.chan4chan.com/v/res/93465835) / IGN Boards (http://boards.ign.com/nintendo_wii_lobby/b8270/201896193/p1/?30)
Quote
More leaks about Project Cafe:

- Nintendo are planning a full reveal of the console, controller and 1st/2nd party games at E3.

- The console is confirmed to be backwards compatible with all Wii/Gamecube titles, and all your VC games will be transferred over once you link your credit card to the system.

- Many 3rd party developers have development kits who are supposedly hard at work to have something to show (and play) at E3.

- 3rd Parties were involved with the development of the console, with requests for what specifications they'd like to see. As of now (which could change) the system runs of a custom built IBM triple-core CPU and has 2gb RAM. The graphics chip is a custom built Radeon R700 chip.

- There is an internal SSD. Size is unknown at this point.

- It will run natively at 1080p.

- The new controller slightly resembles a Gamecube controller with a large LCD screen in the middle of it. The controller is light for its size and looks like a tablet with Gamecube-like prongs to the side. It has dual analogue sticks, face buttons, d-pad and shoulder buttons. No triggers were on the device.

- The screen on the controller is indeed a 6" LCD high resolution (reported 640 x 960 pixels) display. However, Nintendo said in order to keep battery life manageable, the controller doesn't have any hardware to produce graphics itself. The image is simply a video stream directly from the console.

- The controller uses rechargeable lithium ion batteries. Size of the battery is unknown.

- The Wiimote can be used and a new model of Wiimote will be released with the console. This new controller will have overhauled internals allowing for much more precise movement tracking than even the Wiimote Plus had.

- The Project Cafe system development kit is not representative of the final console design. The console is smaller and resembles the Japanese/European SNES models.

- Nintendo have told developers that their online system will be 'the best online experience' that's available on consoles. The whole idea of the machine is to be connected to the internet 24/7. It's being targeted as an online/social console. Friend codes are gone, but no word on whether the online service will be subscription based.

- The Pokemon RPG is the title Nintendo will be showing off their online experience with.

- As reported by other sources, Nintendo is targeting this console to the hardcore gamers once again.

- Nintendo is planning on some sophisticated inter-game communication between the 3DS and the console. Nintendo didn't explain what they're planning on.

To be shown at E3:

Nintendo:
- Pikmin 3 (playable, launch title)
- Pokemon RPG (video, launch or near launch title)
- Super Mario Bros title (playable)
- Star Fox (playable)
- Smash Bros 4 (playable)
- Mario Kart (video)
- Zelda (tech demo)
- Metroid (tech demo)
- New IP (video)

Rockstar Games:
- Red Dead Redemption 2 (video)
- Grand Theft Auto "New Title" (video)

Ubisoft:
- Rayman Legends (playable)
- Red Steel 3 (playable)
- New IP (video)

SquareEnix:
- Final Fantasy XV

Capcom:
- Resident Evil (video)
- Megaman (video)
- Monster Hunter (video)

EA:
- NBA '13 (video)
- NFL '13 (video)
- NHL '13 (video)

Activision:
- Modern Warfare 3 (video)

Konami:
- Metal Gear title (video)
- Winning Eleven (video)

Namco:
- Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (playable)
- Soul Calibur 5 (video)
- Pacman Rebirth (video)

As lovely as all that sounds, I don't believe any of it.
but Custom R700 and 2GB ram sound good.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThomasO on April 25, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
all your VC games will be transferred over once you link your credit card to the system.
That won't work. That excludes games that were purchased using Wii Points cards or with different credit cards.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 25, 2011, 10:59:55 PM
Like he said, it's most likely bullshit - but having the games linked to your console, which is linked to your credit card, could credit all of your games to download again on the new system, no matter how they were purchased.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on April 26, 2011, 12:05:04 AM
some interesting stuff. Nintendo works on alot of things, that don't necessarilly come out right away. I remember something like this in the pre wiimote anouncement era. Some patents were found. MAybe this is the maturation of those ideas.
Title: Rareware to make 3DS games?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2011, 12:18:31 AM
Paging Kytim.... Paging Kytim.... Please report to the Rumor Thread.




....*tapping feet*




.... *checks watch*



Is he here yet?
ok, good.

Nintendo in talks with MS & Rare to get some Rareware games on 3DS?
http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/rumor-rareware-on-3ds-future-of-metroid/ (http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/rumor-rareware-on-3ds-future-of-metroid/)
Diddy Kong? Banjo Kazooie? Star Fox Adventures?


I'm not even gonna quote it, but if your interested, there is the link.


They also mention 3rd party ports (already mentioned)
Retro not making Metroid, but a new Metroid is not out of the question.
Earthbound..... (lol)
& a colorful  HD game from Nintendo (who woulda thought?)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 26, 2011, 12:40:06 AM
Quote
- There is an internal SSD. Size is unknown at this point.

I'm not liking this. Even if its 64GB its just not going to be enough. There should at least be the option to install a HDD, even if Nintendo doesn't want to include one by default. The drive bay should be there.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 26, 2011, 01:28:28 AM
Paging Kytim.... Paging Kytim.... Please report to the Rumor Thread.




....*tapping feet*




.... *checks watch*



Is he here yet?
ok, good.

Nintendo in talks with MS & Rare to get some Rareware games on 3DS?
http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/rumor-rareware-on-3ds-future-of-metroid/ (http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/rumor-rareware-on-3ds-future-of-metroid/)
Diddy Kong? Banjo Kazooie? Star Fox Adventures?


I'm not even gonna quote it, but if your interested, there is the link.


They also mention 3rd party ports (already mentioned)
Retro not making Metroid, but a new Metroid is not out of the question.
Earthbound..... (lol)
& a colorful  HD game from Nintendo (who woulda thought?)

Not only would I be willing to buy all of their remakes on 3DS, but why stop there? If Microsoft will allow their IPs to be on 3DS then why not the VC for either Wii or Wii 2? If the Wii 2 were to launch with Rare N64 games on the VC then I would scream and holler until I got the DAMN system. I will be keeping an eye on this one for further information.
 
That article also goes on to mention how third party developers might port over their PS360 games to the Wii 2 and since I have missed every single HD game like Dead Space 2, Mass Effect 2 and all the other good games, I have no problem with this what so ever. Hell, bring them all over and I will but them all.
 
I have to admit that I have not been this fired up over a post in a long time. Thank you BnM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 26, 2011, 04:16:52 AM
Purported snippets from the investor meeting: http://twitter.com/#!/gibbogame
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 26, 2011, 05:40:09 AM
The fact that the vitality sensor came up has me a bit worried.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 26, 2011, 05:56:18 AM
Vitality Sensor as the casual game/add-on for this holiday and Cafe for 2012?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 26, 2011, 07:01:55 AM
The vitality sensor could work great in a survival horror game. It could sense how freaked out you are and the game could respond accordingly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on April 26, 2011, 11:40:43 AM
The vitality sensor has so many uses. It just has to be inobtrusive. Imagine having a character walk up to a cliff and it opens up to a beautiful vista. If you don't react, then maybe a flock of birds/creatures suddenly swoosh up past the cliff, but if you are just in awe of the site, the birds slowly come out of the distance. Geeze, I don't get why people don't like the idea of it. Its the ultimate **** with you game changer mechanic. Especially if they really are considering Eternal Darkness 2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2011, 11:53:23 AM
The vitality sensor has so many uses. It just has to be inobtrusive. Imagine having a character walk up to a cliff and it opens up to a beautiful vista. If you don't react, then maybe a flock of birds/creatures suddenly swoosh up past the cliff, but if you are just in awe of the site, the birds slowly come out of the distance. Geeze, I don't get why people don't like the idea of it. Its the ultimate **** with you game changer mechanic. Especially if they really are considering Eternal Darkness 2.

Because their are people like me whose heart rate really isn't worth a darn for mood.  I'm waiting on smell personally.  I do think this would be a neat concept incorporated into the controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Retro Deckades on April 26, 2011, 12:01:58 PM
In response to BlacknMild's long, most-likely-completely-speculative-fanboy-BS post, I can definitely see the potential link between the code name "Project Cafe" and a strong emphasis on online. "Cafe" just seems to evoke that social feeling.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 26, 2011, 12:39:02 PM
Apparently the Wii is not worth stealing. Some writer at Kotaku.com had a break-in recently and the burgler took all of his systems except for his Wii. Has the Wii hit rock bottom?
 
http://www.infendo.com/wii-not-even-worth-stealing/#comments (http://www.infendo.com/wii-not-even-worth-stealing/#comments)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2011, 12:42:36 PM
In response to BlacknMild's long, most-likely-completely-speculative-fanboy-BS post, I can definitely see the potential link between the code name "Project Cafe" and a strong emphasis on online. "Cafe" just seems to evoke that social feeling.

I saw this on NeoGAF a few days ago. I think it fits your description perfectly

Quote from: GDGF
It's because you've got a server...

(http://www.crestock.com/images/500000-509999/500737-xs.jpg)

...streaming out four cups of gaming (possibly ala carte)

(http://garcya.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/4-Coffee-Cups-in-vector.jpg)

...to you and three of your friends in a social atmosphere.

(http://www.wethechange.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/business-men-drinking-coffee.jpg)

That's what I think anyway.

As far as that 4chan "leak" goes, nothing about it sounds too far fetched (besides an SSD) until you get to the games. Well one game in particular atleast. That is where things start to sound unbelievable.

Pokemon MMO flagship Nintendo online title - we've been asking for that for far too long to believe it's actually gonna happen.

EA showing of 2013 sports titles when 2012 sports titles haven't even been released yet also sounds off, but maybe some tech demos
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2011, 02:04:42 PM
A new mock-up, and my favorite so far

(http://i.imgur.com/Svd8W.jpg)

just missing the IR lights and a view where we can see the shoulder buttons and triggers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2011, 02:07:24 PM
A new mock-up, and my favorite so far

(http://i.imgur.com/Svd8W.jpg)

just missing the IR lights and a view where we can see the shoulder buttons and triggers.

Has potential but, I think both the D-Pad and Circle Pad 2 are to much in for a rectangle controller. Still want it to be more Wavebird like.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 26, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
Thing is, if you look at your thumbs, they move in a radius not up and down. That's why all the console controllers have the analog sticks (or dpad and analog stick) inset further than the top buttons. The 3DS has them above and below each other, but it's not as comfortable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 26, 2011, 02:38:21 PM
How do you reach the L&R buttons with that mockup?  It just looks like the controller is too tall to make it comfortable.

It's a nice looking mock up and I appreciate the effort people go to make these things but this just isn't usable from a ergonomics point of view.  Anyone making a mock up needs to stop and hold their hands out as if they were holding the controller.  For most of these it would be cramp city.

I figure the screen will be higher vertically than the rest of the controller.  There is a limited amount of space between the bottom of the controller and where you can put the L&R buttons where the average user does not have to stretch out his hands.  If the screen does not fit into this real estate then needs to stick out of the top.

One thing to keep in mind is that kids have to use these things too.  They cannot be designed only for giant adult male hands.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2011, 02:44:30 PM

You need more imagination man. you have a 2D brain in a 3D world.(http://i.imgur.com/Wh7hg.jpg)

I think it's perfect and just needs a charging dock for it to stand upright and we are in business.
I'm sure I will be disappointed by what Nintendo has to show us if it doesn't look similar to this now... atleast until I hold it and forget all about this mock-up


edit:
(http://i.imgur.com/jTOin.jpg)


I think the dimensions are a little off on this pic, but it was made to show how it was held, so just imagine it a little smaller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2011, 02:50:55 PM
I stand by what I said.  They still look to far.  I move the both out so their edge lines didn't match the screens one.  The Dpad Left edge would start about where the circle indention ends, drawing a straight line down from it, and the Circle pad indention right side be closer to the y buttons right side.  It is a picture though and a lot of it matters on how they did the shoulder buttons and back grips.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 26, 2011, 03:01:05 PM
This was posted, right? http://www.irwebcasting.com/110426/87/258092c49e/index.html
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2011, 03:02:16 PM
This was posted, right? http://www.irwebcasting.com/110426/87/258092c49e/index.html
Ah the Background.. Ok I'll watch the rest at home.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2011, 03:06:46 PM

I stand by what I said.  They still look to far.  I move the both out so their edge lines didn't match the screens one.  The Dpad Left edge would start about where the circle indention ends, drawing a straight line down from it, and the Circle pad indention right side be closer to the y buttons right side.  It is a picture though and a lot of it matters on how they did the shoulder buttons and back grips.
Feel free to edit it to your liking, but it's the look and concept that I'm digging.

Besides, you are talking about moving them in about a centimeter in either direction. It's just a mock up, not a prototype, no need to nit-pick the minute details that would be ironed out with a test build.



This was posted, right? http://www.irwebcasting.com/110426/87/258092c49e/index.html
The text version is in the sales thread.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2011, 03:58:14 PM
I Frankensteined that mock-up to the gist of what I think it be like in that style.  Though are new admin at work is starting to snoop so I'm relegated to the phone. I'll post it tonight
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 26, 2011, 04:42:44 PM
I agree with Ceric that the d-pad is too far away.  Looking at the pic where the girl is holding it, she isn't actually using the thing.  She's just holding it and watching.  Now imagine actually using the L&R buttons, analog stick and face buttons at the same time while still holding onto it.  I don't think it works.  It looks like it would slip out of your hands.

I think the end result will look more like a controller so that it forms better to your hands.  Good controllers rest in your hands.  This looks more like you support it with your fingers and thumbs which is no good because you need those to work the controls.  It also looks very top heavy.

It looks cool as hell but I think a tablet focused design will be too awkward to play any sort of game that requires good reflexes.  I think something more resembling a videogame handheld is more what to expect.  That is a design proven to work.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 26, 2011, 04:51:42 PM
Im pretty sure that chick is from an ipad ad.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 26, 2011, 07:27:20 PM
Now imagine actually using the L&R buttons,

BnM posted another picture with a red arrow point to where the L&R buttons could be positioned, did you see that? They don't need to be on the top of the controller like we're used to. There can be a part that juts out in the back and the buttons can be on that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2011, 07:30:32 PM
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f118/Cericme/HackedTogetherWiiStream.jpg)

This is more what I was thinking with this design.  I'm drawing up a mock-up of what I think it should be.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 26, 2011, 07:47:24 PM
That mock-up looks entirely too bulky and not form-fitting. The person in the picture has to stretch her thumbs to reach most of the inputs on it, that would be exponentially uncomfortable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 26, 2011, 07:55:44 PM
There needs to be grips on it. I understand the tablet look is sleek and modern and cool looking, but its not very comfortable or ergonomic. I'd rather have grips, even if that makes it look cheaper and more "kiddie". I don't really care how it looks... form must follow function.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on April 26, 2011, 08:19:37 PM
While the positioning of the buttons and sticks need to be tweaked, I'm digging the iPad-like design. though I would hope we can use regular controllers as well. Maybe let us synch WiiMotes? Because it'd be a shame if we loose the best thing to come from the Wii Phenomenon (IR FPS controls).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 26, 2011, 08:22:28 PM
This picture of what the controller might look like seems like a good idea of what might be the final product.
 
http://technobuffalo.technobuffalo.netdna-cdn.com/files/2011/04/Project-Cafe-Controllers.jpg (http://technobuffalo.technobuffalo.netdna-cdn.com/files/2011/04/Project-Cafe-Controllers.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2011, 10:51:03 PM
While the positioning of the buttons and sticks need to be tweaked, I'm digging the iPad-like design. though I would hope we can use regular controllers as well. Maybe let us synch WiiMotes? Because it'd be a shame if we loose the best thing to come from the Wii Phenomenon (IR FPS controls).
This was my idea for that
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669031#msg669031
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f118/Cericme/HackedTogetherWiiStream.jpg

This is more what I was thinking with this design.  I'm drawing up a mock-up of what I think it should be.

I think that completely ruins the look. Imagine the shoulder buttons in the same place, but behind the tablet like the side view pic I posted. Also imagine those grips to be very similar to the back of the 360 controller including done analog triggers.

Its perfect as is, maybe just a little shorter.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 26, 2011, 11:25:48 PM
I don't really like it. Aesthetically, it's slick. But I don't think that form factor would work. I think the controller would be much more comfortable and lighter if the screen was on top of a standard controller. So when you are holding it, it feels like a normal controller but looks like an iPad in portrait mode. So it would still be a flat surface on the front, but taller rather than wider.

That way, when I hold the controller with one hand, it doesn't feel unbalanced and I can easily manipulate the touch screen with the other hand.

I know what your thinking, this mock up allows you to access the touchscreen with your thumbs, but I don't think that's possible. Not with the added width two joysticks, a d-pad, and buttons add. So it all comes back to how comfortable can I make the device when holding it one handed.

Go ahead and try it out. Grab a book and hold it in one hand in portrait and landscape. You'll see my point.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 26, 2011, 11:40:04 PM
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f118/Cericme/HackedTogetherWiiStream.jpg)

This is more what I was thinking with this design.  I'm drawing up a mock-up of what I think it should be.
This one looks more comfortable to hold over a longer period of time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2011, 11:54:04 PM
I don't really like it. Aesthetically, it's slick. But I don't think that form factor would work. I think the controller would be much more comfortable and lighter if the screen was on top of a standard controller. So when you are holding it, it feels like a normal controller but looks like an iPad in portrait mode. So it would still be a flat surface on the front, but taller rather than wider.

That way, when I hold the controller with one hand, it doesn't feel unbalanced and I can easily manipulate the touch screen with the other hand.

You are forgetting that the controller is supposed to stream games to it. how are we supposed to play 19:9 games on a controller with a 9:16 screen? it wouldn't work unles syou plan was to shrink it down into 2 square DS like screens.

Quote
I know what your thinking, this mock up allows you to access the touchscreen with your thumbs, but I don't think that's possible. Not with the added width two joysticks, a d-pad, and buttons add. So it all comes back to how comfortable can I make the device when holding it one handed.

Go ahead and try it out. Grab a book and hold it in one hand in portrait and landscape. You'll see my point.

Grips on the back like a 360 pad. You are all ignoring the fact that this thing will have shoulder buttons and a trigger on the back.
Look at the side view again: http://i.imgur.com/Wh7hg.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Wh7hg.jpg)
this will have the shoulder buttons in the same place as Ceric's "redesign" only it will be behind the front surface of the controller.

It will be far more comfortable to hold than your 3DS and exactly like holding your console controller that happens to look like a tablet from the front.

If it even pleases you, you can make the unit a little shorter
(http://i.imgur.com/S52LP.gif)
so that it won't look so tall, but almost all of you are ignoring the grips on the back where the the other buttons go.


edit:
these mock-ups look pretty good too
(http://i.imgur.com/CWnps.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2011, 12:01:47 AM
Someone is either really dedicated at passing off a fake or....

Fake or not, this one keeps popping up
I'm also sure that this next pic is a fake, but this rumor thread don't discriminate.

http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg)

That screen doesn't look 6", but I like the ideas behind the screen in the controller.

Another pic
http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg)

Innovation Reinvented

Project Cafe is simply the most development friendly SDK the industry has ever seen. Deliver unparalleled next generation performance at current generation cost. It doesn't get any easier than this.

-easy portability from PC, Xbox 360
-anytime live update past release
-Integrated Ai-Live framework

http://i.imgur.com/6BVpS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yNj6o.jpg

Looks a little small in those pics according to the IGN rumor (about the size of the Original Xbox).
Actually it looks a little small regardless of what size IGN said. That thing looks to be a little smaller than a Wii.


These are obviously fake and the reflection looks very photoshopped in the first pic, but the light is on in both pics and the console is not even plugged in.
http://wii2blog.com/another-leaked-image-of-project-cafe/
(http://i.imgur.com/pfwYM.jpg)

They are really dedicated to passing off a fake

Look at the size of the cables in comparison to the disc drive slot.
Either this thing takes mini disc, or those are some super duper shielded cables.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 27, 2011, 01:30:34 AM
There is no reason why the screen has to be 9x16. The width of the bottom should be able to fit the screen just fine. Maybe using an iPad wasn't the best imagery. Just imagine a Driod on top of a regular controller.

And you are also forgetting that if it had 360 like grips, then both sides of that mock-up would be pretty heavy. So it would be heavy-light-heavy.

For that reason, unless the whole unit is extremely light itself, it might be a struggle for someone to keep it balanced while messing with commands on the screen.

If it were instead:
Light
Heavy

It would be a lot more comfortable to hold it one handed since it would be essentially be holding a standard controller/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2011, 01:42:25 AM
The thickness of the unit would obviously be on the bottom as that is where the controller parts, the grips and the battery would be located. If this thing is truly a client to the console and has no real independent processing onboard, then not only would it be kinda cheap to manufacture, but pretty light overall as the screen probably weighs next to nothing.

take a 360 controller and tape a box of pencils to the front. Now hold it one handed.... problem with the weight? probably not. I'd imagine the "tablet" to be something like that when it comes to weight.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2011, 02:05:07 AM
Looks like IGN has decided to weigh in on rumors surrounding Project Cafe
http://wii.ign.com/articles/116/1164332p1.html
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 27, 2011, 02:12:03 AM
Ok, I understand what you are saying, but I don't think you understand me. It's not necessarily the weight. I do think it'll be pretty light. I'm talking about the balance.

Just because you may have the battery in the middle or the weight centered towards the bottom does not make it easier to hold than a taller, skinnier version.

Here is a shitty example of what I am talking about:

(http://i.imgur.com/s0mhP.jpg)

Now imagine that but more like the mock up. It's pretty easy to envision how much more comfortable it'll be to use both the controller and the touchscreen simply because of balance.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2011, 02:29:07 AM
I know what you are saying but the rumors have it pegged as a tablet-like design.

IGN says it has Dreamcast like handles on the back

http://i52.tinypic.com/szto90.jpg (http://i52.tinypic.com/szto90.jpg)

Based on the rumors, that mock-up seemed perfect from a design aspect and would appeal to the iPad crowd, which is what I assume Nintendo wants to do. A standard controller with a screen attached to the top not only looks uninspired but intimidates the same crowd Nintendo just attracted with the Wii and the crowd they hope to draw from the Apple iProducts.

Besides, imagine how much more potential there is with the mock I posted especially when placed in a charging dock on your livingroom table. Wii compatibility through built in IR ports. Video chat through camera. Message center/Internet Browser with touch screen. and that's all while not even holding the controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 27, 2011, 02:34:56 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think it's slick. It just doesn't seem comfortable for touch screen gaming.

Honestly, what I have in mind is almost like an ultra sleek version of the OG Gameboy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2011, 02:42:55 AM
This is pretty much what you have in mind.

(http://i.imgur.com/QdCPE.png)

I don't like it. I've seen plenty of mock-ups that resemble that or something close, and it just doesn't look good to me.


This is the style everyone else seems to want
(http://i.imgur.com/T2Vsy.jpg)


I don't really like that either, but it looks much better than the one above it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 27, 2011, 03:00:52 AM
But those two mock-ups are the only type that make any sense. Your favorite mock-up is huge for no reason at all. There's lots of wasted space.

Look at it again. Why make a tablet with the controls neither on the side or on the bottom, but both? That's just bad engineering.

In my mind, the smaller and more comfortable you can make it, the better. So basically it comes down to a decision between having the controls to the side or underneath the screen. I'm arguing that having controls on the bottom would make it more comfortable, hence why I think it should look like that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2011, 03:19:19 AM
The controls for the mock up you like and I like would pretty much be the same and having the screen in the middle of the controls or above the controls isn't gonna change how you hold it other than how close you have to hold your wrist together. If that's what it comes down to, then my mock up would win.

I'm gonna see if I can edit it a little and get it a bit shorter. I don't have any photo editing skillz, but I'm gonna give it a shot.


(http://i53.tinypic.com/3136r7o.jpg)


I shortened it up a bit and moved the d-pad and 2nd analog out a little more.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 27, 2011, 03:21:13 AM
I am going to laugh so hard if this thing doesn't end up with screens on the controllers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 27, 2011, 03:49:35 AM
I don't understand. Comes down to what? Wrist distance? Why would it come down to that?

It comes down to size, cost, and ergonomics. And no R&D team worth their weight would draw up that mock-up. Too much wasted space. It's slick, but more expensive for no reason.

I also think you are over-estimating how big a 6" (diagonal) screen really is. It's really not that big. The width of the screen comes to about 4.8". The width of a 360 controller is, according to amazon, 7.5 inches.

So that tablet would look extremely goofy in real life.

That is why I'm willing to bet that Nintendo either chooses controls on the side or controls on the bottom, but not both.

EDIT: But who knows, I'm still trying to figure out how the hell they are going to incorporate a Wiimote.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 27, 2011, 04:08:38 AM
I hope it's two ergonomic motion plus remotes with four buttons, dual triggers and an analog stick.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 27, 2011, 04:09:54 AM
Two wii motes (sans condoms) on top of each other is 6 inches diagonally. Not that big.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2011, 04:18:54 AM
Actually, the mock-ups I drew by hand were done to actual size, so I know exactly how big a 6" screen is. I even printed out a 16:9 screen that was 6" to compare it to my drawing.

Look at this:
Quote
This is the Aino V8000HDW media player, compared with a PSP. It has a 6" 16:9 screen...
(http://i.imgur.com/G16pV.jpg)
Here it is in someones hands
(http://i.imgur.com/RHYkZ.jpg)
and here is a mockup made to the same scale
(http://i.imgur.com/mG09J.gif)

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It comes down to size, cost, and ergonomics. And no R&D team worth their weight would draw up that mock-up. Too much wasted space. It's slick, but more expensive for no reason.

The aesthetics of it look nice and that alone will sell it to far more people than a giant widescreen Gameboy Brick.

Plastic is cheap, but if your so worried about extra plastic, then they definitely wouldn't put the controls on just the side because of the angle the thumbs need to reach the lower controls. To set the controls up properly, there would be plenty of "wasted space".

As far a what an R&D team would draw up... I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
edit: And have you seen a DS, DSL, DSi DSiXL or 3DS? talk about lots of xtra unused plastic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 27, 2011, 04:40:52 AM
Enough arguing. Let's make a bet. $20 through paypal?

With all the rumors we've heard, I am 100% positive that the real controller will not have controls both to the side and bottom of the screen, i.e. the tablet look. It'll either be one or the other.

When I say controls, I am talking specifically about the joysticks, d-pad, and ab/xy buttons.

I am going to laugh so hard if this thing doesn't end up with screens on the controllers.

Me too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on April 27, 2011, 04:54:03 AM
I know this is/was a psp2 mockup but im thinking based on the rumours it could end up looking like this

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2381/2257628900_7241af74be.jpg)

that way it can be both a tablet and a screen controller at the same time, then add some dreamcast handles (http://i52.tinypic.com/szto90.jpg) like mentioned before so its not unconfortable to hold (and make the analog nubs into 3ds analogue sticks)

and since this is all a crazy fantasy they could use the 3-d tech from the 3ds screens hahaha
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 27, 2011, 08:37:54 AM
It appears the Wii's days are numbered.
 
http://www.infendo.com/is-the-world-ready-for-wii-2/#comments
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 27, 2011, 09:41:12 AM
I was thinking about this more and this going to sound odd but what if the control surface was to the side more.  You hold it like holding 2 melons with the buttons on the back... I'll just try to mock it up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 27, 2011, 06:42:18 PM
cant wait lol
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 27, 2011, 07:13:59 PM
I reread what IGN wrote.  They described it as being about the size of an iPhone with controllers. 

So I went to look at the iPhone and I must say that size is perfect.  And a small multi-touch screen with buttons on the side and handles would not add too much bulk and would make it easier to hold than the iphone for gaming. 

I like BNM design the most, because it is simple and slick, but also very approachable.  I just don't know how Nintendo can pull this type of system off.  Obviously, the system is not going to have huge memory in the controller...maybe like a 2-5 Gigs in the controller for streaming, but how is this going to work?  I am seriously baffled. 
Title: Nintendo Select = $19.99 Players Choice line?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2011, 09:14:49 PM
Rumor: Nintendo to release budget Wii titles under the Nintendo Select brand?

games to be-rebranded and sold @ $19.99
Zelda:TP, Super Mario Sluggers & WiiSports(Resort?)


Listed to hit in May 2011
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 27, 2011, 09:24:09 PM
Rumor: Nintendo to release budget Wii titles under the Nintendo Select brand?

games to be-rebranded and sold @ $19.99
Zelda:TP, Super Mario Sluggers & WiiSports(Resort?)


Listed to hit in May 2011
That supports a release for this year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 27, 2011, 09:25:50 PM
It appears to me that Nintendo is preparing the Wii 2 for a 2012 launch by lowering the prices of Wii games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on April 27, 2011, 11:29:12 PM
I complete hate the tablet designs and don't see anything way it could be used for hours on end. Hopefully, it's going to be an enhanced Dreamcast controller design with a built in screen...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 28, 2011, 01:19:06 AM
The way I look at it.  If the screen is the size of the iPhone screen, you can easily add a small DS sized buttons and D-pad to the device. 

The thumb slider thing can be used instead of the traditional analog sticks and everything becomes uniform.  The 3DS and Wii2 use many of the same components making it cheaper to manufacture everything.  Now, if the controller is really only designed to stream images to the device, and not actually be a portable system (that would take from the 3DS line.)  Then how much memory and what type of CPU really needs to be in the controller?  If can they somehow make this controller cost between $79.99-$100.00 it would be a miracle. 

I don't have alot of knowledge of what is needed to stream video to a device like this, what is the cheapest this thing could be? 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on April 28, 2011, 01:39:24 AM
can't make the controller like a ping pong paddle?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on April 28, 2011, 01:54:09 AM
Rumor: Nintendo to release budget Wii titles under the Nintendo Select brand?

games to be-rebranded and sold @ $19.99
Zelda:TP, Super Mario Sluggers & WiiSports(Resort?)


Listed to hit in May 2011
So the player's choice games require a 4+ year life cycle before they go down in price?  Interesting.  I think the Wii needed this last year and they would've sold more systems.  The PS2 kept selling late in life due to so many greatest hits being available.  There's a few games I'd buy for $20 right now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 28, 2011, 02:29:04 AM
Spak: Just so you know, the rumored screen size itself is about the size of the entire iPhone, not just the screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on April 28, 2011, 03:05:44 AM
i remember when Sony had PSX games at 9.99, now that was a great deal. Hell that would bring Wii sales up too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 28, 2011, 06:01:47 PM
I definitely hope the budget line rumour is true, as there are some out-of-print Wii games that I'd still like to get. Although I already own the listed rumoured games. However, they just lowered the price of Wii Sports Resort by $10 so if true, I don't think that will be one of them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 28, 2011, 06:28:31 PM
However, they just lowered the price of Wii Sports Resort by $10 so if true, I don't think that will be one of them.

This is a joke.  They lowed Wii Sports Resort by $10, but they removed the Wii Remote Plus that came packed in with it - a $40 value.  Pretty much, they raised the price of Wii Sports Resort $30.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 28, 2011, 06:38:39 PM
I wasn't aware of that. In fact, I thought it was still sold packaged with a Wii Motion Plus accessory and not the full controller. Is it really now being sold for $40 for just the game and nothing else at all? Because that seems a little ridiculous.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 28, 2011, 06:46:55 PM
I wasn't aware of that. In fact, I thought it was still sold packaged with a Wii Motion Plus accessory and not the full controller. Is it really now being sold for $40 for just the game and nothing else at all? Because that seems a little ridiculous.
Agree
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 28, 2011, 06:51:37 PM
Yup. GameStop (http://www.gamestop.com/wii/games/wii-sports-resort/90866) and Walmart (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Wii-Sports-Resort-game-only-Wii-Nintendo-Wii/16502392)...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 28, 2011, 06:59:26 PM
That's lame.

I can't find a listing that shows a Wii Remote Plus bundle, all I see are the Motion Plus accessory bundles (there's one with one and two accessories). Can you show me a listing for the Wii Remote Plus bundle? I'm just curious what it looks like.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 28, 2011, 07:09:34 PM
You know, I could have sworn they started shipping Wii Sports Resorts with the Wii Remote Plus... but I can't find anything anywhere (aside from the Japanese version)... I may have made that part up (which means they dropped the game $10 and removed the $20 accessory... still not a great deal, but not quite as bad...)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 28, 2011, 07:28:53 PM
Unagi:  Thank for the information.  That is still not that big really.  It is not tablet like at all.  It is more like holding a portable handheld...which most people have no problem with.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 28, 2011, 08:01:58 PM
Spak, I agree. It's not that big at all. Hence why a tablet design would look goofy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2011, 08:14:16 PM
Here is a design someone else made and I tweaked

(http://i51.tinypic.com/od2dw.jpg)

(http://i52.tinypic.com/t5gn0o.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on April 28, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
No wings, no sale.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on April 28, 2011, 08:18:26 PM
What I don't understand is why some people think the controller will have a circle pad(s) in the place of an analogue stick(s). The only reason the 3DS has one is so that it can fold up. Unless the controller also has some kind of folding design, it's still going to have an analogue stick because from what I've read, a stick still functions a little better than the circle pad.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 28, 2011, 08:26:06 PM
I agree that it should be a stick, but that's mostly because I don't want to hear people (gamers and developers) complain. To me, at least based on my somewhat limited experience, the circle pad is just as good as a stick. Actually, I think I'd enjoy certain things more with it, specifically FPS aiming (I'd still prefer pointer controls, but if I'm using dual analog I think I'd like the circle pad better).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 28, 2011, 08:32:00 PM
BnM: Not bad. I like that design. You've made it so I could still access most of the screen with my thumbs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 28, 2011, 10:39:33 PM
I think people are going to break these screen alot. By sitting and stomping on them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 28, 2011, 10:44:02 PM
I think people are going to break these screen alot. By sitting and stomping on them.

Not to mention scratching up the screen and spilling stuff on them. Especially when kids are involved. Its going to suck if these controllers end up being expensive, and I really don't see how they couldn't be expensive. Who can afford to keep replacing broken $100 controllers?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on April 28, 2011, 10:58:45 PM
You just answered your own question.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 29, 2011, 11:23:52 AM
Kids 5 and up are better with electronics now a'days. Cell phones Ipads and the like are good training. I figure if you're kids don't always break your phones and other portable devices they will be just fine with these controllers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2011, 11:42:59 AM
Ok, seriously, Who here has snapped any of there handhelds except at the joints.

Nintendo knows how to make products that can stand up to abuse.  Just look at some of the stuff people did to the GameCube and it still kept going.  I have not worries that the controller will break because Nintendo has never released anything that wasn't made to take a beating.  As Newscast 51 says sometimes its like a religion.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on April 29, 2011, 11:55:16 AM
Here is a design someone else made and I tweaked

looks pretty slick, just replace cirlcle pads with normal sticks and I'd be happy if that was the final design
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2011, 11:59:53 AM
Here is a design someone else made and I tweaked

looks pretty slick, just replace cirlcle pads with normal sticks and I'd be happy if that was the final design
I actually like the circle pad over the stick (and the dpad.)  Though I can see how people wouldn't.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Crimm on April 29, 2011, 12:24:05 PM
No wings, no sale.


?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on April 29, 2011, 01:22:18 PM
Do I need a controller that flies? NO. Think, mcfly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2011, 01:25:47 PM
Do I need a controller that flies? NO. Think, mcfly.
But then you wouldn't need roads where your controlling.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Crimm on April 29, 2011, 01:31:17 PM
Do I need a controller that flies? NO. Think, mcfly.


That's the megaton. So fun it flies.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on April 29, 2011, 01:35:47 PM
Just think of the warning screens we'd have to sit through..

(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/144/2d4a651ab02b470d901fd11bb0234e02/l.jpg)

Mockups with screens gotta have wings
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2011, 01:40:59 PM
Just think of the warning screens we'd have to sit through..

(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/144/2d4a651ab02b470d901fd11bb0234e02/l.jpg)

Mockups with screens gotta have wings
You know I always thought they where dowsing rod handles not wings.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 29, 2011, 02:43:31 PM
I think it needs to be equipped with dual machine guns.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 29, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
I don't see a WIN button anywhere.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
it shows up on the touchscreen when the time is appropriate
(immediately after cutscenes, which will lead to more cutscenes)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on April 29, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
Well my cheeky wee monkeys, you sure have quite the imagination.

I call it the Dual Shock and Awe

(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/132/f569b607458e43369d2d9e16a98be8b9/l.jpg)
Title: Project Cafe E3 Publishers List?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2011, 04:14:16 PM
Supposed Developers list for Project Cafe
(http://i.imgur.com/nnJxa.jpg) (http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/wii/rumor-could-this-be-the-list-of-major-publishers-for-wii-2/)

and the source of this pic also says that Nintendo has decided on the final name for the hardware.
It's not Wii2 or Project Cafe(obviously), but official docs will probably still refer to it by it's code name until announced by Nintendo themselves.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 29, 2011, 04:28:44 PM
Making a pic full of dev logos doesn't seem like something one couldn't just whip up in, ****, MS Paint even in like ten minutes.

Who in that list does not already support Nintendo in some way?  Even Rockstar is part of Take Two who also owns 2K who published MLB Power Pros so it isn't like they aren't technically supporters.  What always matters is exactly what one gets from them.

Though if Project Cafe allows for multiplatform releases with the PS360 we will get all of the big games by default.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2011, 04:37:18 PM
I guess you didn't notice Valve on the list?


edit: But I agree that it is most-likely a fake thrown up for site hits (notice how I didn't post a visible link to the site?)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2011, 04:46:02 PM
I guess you didn't notice Valve on the list?
Steam intergration confirmed.
Steam Stream.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on April 29, 2011, 04:53:00 PM
2 questions:
1) Who's the one above Destineer? (I think it's NIS, but I'm probably wrong.)
2) When the **** did Destineer become a major publisher?
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Post by: ThePerm on April 29, 2011, 04:58:35 PM
haha popcap because running flash isn't hard

i love bejeweled blitz though
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 29, 2011, 04:59:52 PM
Can we speculate on what game(s) each of those developers may or may not be developing for the Super Wii?
 
Disney Interactive: Epic Mickey 2
Rockstar: GTA 5
Square: Final Fantasy 15
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2011, 05:04:11 PM
Can we speculate on what game(s) each of those developers may or may not be developing for the Super Wii?
 
Disney Interactive: Epic Mickey 2: Spectrobes
Rockstar: GTA 5: LA
Square: Final Fantasy 15: Crystal Chronicals Edition
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2011, 05:12:56 PM
Same source just said that something is going down on May 10th.

It's her put up or shut up moment. So keep an eye out for anything on that date.
 
source also admitted to editing the pic a few post up as well. Apparently before i saw it it had E3 dates at June 7-8, now it says June 7-9. Someone also pointed out that Nintendo is using the Grey logo now and not the Red one, so that could be another oversight from a fake document.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 29, 2011, 06:12:12 PM
Quote
Can we speculate on what game(s) each of those developers may or may not be developing for the Super Wii?

Any PS360 games these companies are making that will be released within a six month timeframe of the Super Wii's launch.  If GTA V is in the works then it is a Super Wii game.  Not a Super Wii exclusive, but the Super Wii will get it.
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Post by: noname2200 on April 29, 2011, 06:29:49 PM
Is that a list of developers or publishers? Either way, the inclusion of XSEED sticks out like a sore thumb in my mind: they're not a developer, and while I'm personally a fan I can hardly think of them as a "major licensed publisher."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on April 29, 2011, 07:18:13 PM
Is that a list of developers or publishers? Either way, the inclusion of XSEED sticks out like a sore thumb in my mind: they're not a developer, and while I'm personally a fan I can hardly think of them as a "major licensed publisher."
It does say "Connected" to a major licensed publisher.  Who publishes XSEED games?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on April 29, 2011, 07:40:02 PM
Is that a list of developers or publishers? Either way, the inclusion of XSEED sticks out like a sore thumb in my mind: they're not a developer, and while I'm personally a fan I can hardly think of them as a "major licensed publisher."
It does say "Connected" to a major licensed publisher.  Who publishes XSEED games?

Just XSEED. I'm pretty sure they're independent, not to mention they only operate in the U.S./Canada.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 29, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
The NGP is the first thing that came to mind when trying to picture Project Cafe's controller (though obviously I'd want the analog stick and d-pad switched). However, a controller with an even bigger screen seems almost too large. Looking at pics of people holding NGP, it looks like the middle of the screen is easily reachable with one's thumbs though that may not be true with a 6+ inch screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 30, 2011, 01:06:02 AM
Just think of the warning screens we'd have to sit through..

(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/144/2d4a651ab02b470d901fd11bb0234e02/l.jpg)

Mockups with screens gotta have wings

If the controller doesn't fit, you must acquit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 30, 2011, 10:05:04 AM
Same source just said that something is going down on May 10th.

It's her put up or shut up moment. So keep an eye out for anything on that date.
 
source also admitted to editing the pic a few post up as well. Apparently before i saw it it had E3 dates at June 7-8, now it says June 7-9. Someone also pointed out that Nintendo is using the Grey logo now and not the Red one, so that could be another oversight from a fake document.



You know I like the Red logo better then the Grey anyways.  Wish they go back to that, indigo, and "Playing with Power."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 30, 2011, 03:36:31 PM
Well my cheeky wee monkeys, you sure have quite the imagination.

I call it the Dual Shock and Awe

(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/132/f569b607458e43369d2d9e16a98be8b9/l.jpg)

YEEEEEAH
Title: Itagaki (Team Ninja) hints at Wii2 back in Sept. 2010
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2011, 02:11:24 AM
I just ran across this article while browsing forums, it's back from Sept. 2010

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/19/devils_third_3d/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/19/devils_third_3d/)
Quote from: Itagaki talking about his upcoming game Devil's Third
More mysteriously, Itagaki said that the game could be released on platforms in addition to PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. "We're developing it so that it can be brought to as yet unknown hardware as well. Specifically, the various areas of technology are scalable."

Impress asked if this means Nintendo 3DS and a next generation PSP are included in Itagaki's sights. Responded Itagaki, "More than that, although I can't say this easily because I don't have any information, it's possible that Nintendo could release a higher end console. Something like that."

That sounds like another possible Wii2 game in development right there.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on May 01, 2011, 04:46:07 AM
I thought Itagaki was fired from Tecmo?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2011, 12:48:51 PM
He resigned supposedly because of bonuses he wasn't paid by Tecmo (he filed a lawsuit against them too). Then, he opened his own studio Valhalla Game Studio.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 01, 2011, 05:33:20 PM
He resigned supposedly because of bonuses he wasn't paid by Tecmo (he filed a lawsuit against them too). Then, he opened his own studio Valhalla Game Studio.
Believe the order was Suit, Resignation, and Studio.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2011, 06:52:03 PM
Believe the order was Suit, Resignation, and Studio.
Okay. Thanks?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 01, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
they certainly weren't going to pay him any bonus after his sexual harassment suit.
Title: Haptic Feedback & Vitality Sensor Built In?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2011, 02:35:32 PM
New rumor from loading.de
http://loading.se/news.php?pub_id=15144 (http://loading.se/news.php?pub_id=15144)
Quote
(http://i.imgur.com/uqdIn.jpg)
– Nintendo wants to change the way we play – again. The success of Wii was essentially proof that the controller is every bit as important as graphical technology. When Nintendo unveils its next piece of hardware on June 7th, the presentation will be as much about the feel, as the look, of its new games. The revolutionary aspect will once again be found in the controller itself.

After Touch comes Feel
We already know Nintendo is developing a controller with a built-in screen. Since that info got leaked there have been paralels between Apple's iPad and how Nintendo used the GBA as a controller for a few Gamecube-games. But this new "Screen-controller" brings another dimension - Feel. Our source uses the name "Nintendo Feel"

Haptic technology is a form of tactile feedback used to simulate the experience of touching different objects shown on screen. The player can move their fingertips across a surface and clearly feel the difference between soft, smooth or rugged textures. Electronic companies across the world have been conducting research in this field for years. It’s been rumored that Apple is close to patenting a similar technology, and we’ve seen the Toshiba demonstration of ‘New Sensation UI Solution’, that applies a thin film over a screen in order to achieve a haptic effect. In Nintendo’s case, this is a natural progression of both the Nintendo DS touch screen and the Wii technology.

Hardcore meets Casual
After having recieved the information on Nintendo Feel from our source we have gotten confirmation that the technology exists. Toshiba seems to have shown it to the public and we have had a Novint Falcon in the office for a long time. Novint was one of the first companies to introduce haptic feedback to the gaming world.

According to our source the work for the new console has been going on for a few years, and throughout this whole time the goal has been to create an as direct and easy-to-understand concept as the Wii.

– You have to try Nintendo Feel to really understand. But the idea itself is very easy to sell, no matter if you are aiming for hardcore players or the wider audience that was first introduced to games through DS, Wii or Kinect.

And sure, anyone can suddenly realize the feeling of fur agains the fingertips would do for Nintendogs. You don't have to be unfamiliar to The Legend of Zelda to understand the epicness in drawing patterns in a desert, feeling the breeze from a lake, the burning sensation from lava or realizing the structure of a very old tree.

At the same time, Nintendo Feel is an experience that doesn't want to explain itself in words, but rather tell the player through his hands. Which is probably why Nintendo will bring playable demos to E3, even tho the finished console won't be available until 2012.

All visions in one

Nintendo Feel is on many levels a summary of all the grand visions Nintendo has had during the latest gaming generation. Starting with the Rumble Pack for the Nintendo 64, Nintendo gave the player physical feedback through the controller, and 2006 they started the concept "Touch Generations" to marked the Wii and DS to a whole new audience. If we get to see a "Feel Generations" marketing remains to be seen, but one thing is sure: The new console is an extension of the idea of more intuitive control methods.

Also the individual screens revived the "Connectivity" concept launched during the Gamecube/GBA era. A concept that never got the impact Nintendo was hoping for. Our source says:

Remember Vitality Sensor? It will most likely make a comeback at this year’s E3, though not as a peripheral for Wii, but as a key feature of Nintendo Feel.

And yet another puzzlepiece.

tl;dr version
Innovation is in the controller. It's not just a screen, but a Haptic Screen that allows you to feel texture.
Vitality sensor is also built into the new controller
one more surprise has yet to be revealed.


I don't see how or why Nintendo would do a single touch screen yet include Haptic tech. I also think the name Nintendo Feel sounds stupid, but they didn't call it an official name, just something they refer to it by.

If this brings forth the Feel Generation of games, fine, but do not call it the Feel.

Not sure whether to call BS on this or not, but it's supposedly a pretty reliable site when it comes to regular news. So I guess we wait and see like everything else.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 02, 2011, 03:03:46 PM
It is rather sad how my faith in Nintendo has changed over the years.  Ten years ago when Nintendo had introduced the analog stick and rumble and it was all really cool I was pumped for any new Nintendo innovations.  But the touchscreen and waggle wand were so underwhelming to me that I read about this haptic stuff and I am instinctively rolling my eyes.  It's like I'm just waiting for the stupid gimmick that fucks up the Super Wii's capacity to play normal videogames.

In theory the ideas presented sound really cool and have potential.  But I figure they'll just be used in a lame way.  Hell I feel the same about 3D and how they hell can you screw up that idea?  Nintendo has going have to really blow me away to get me back to that old feeling where I looked forward to their new ideas and gave them the benefit of the doubt.

Of course the thing with force feedback is that it really adds to a game at first but it doesn't take long for you to stop noticing it.  It's still there and it's subtle but if you took it away most people probably would not notice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 02, 2011, 03:05:01 PM
Honestly that would be very cool and I don't see Nintendo limiting it to the touch area but extend it all the surfaces you normal handle.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2011, 03:15:38 PM
Feel The Magic XXX/Y

Imagine how popular that game would be.....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 02, 2011, 03:19:43 PM
Feel The Magic XXX/Y

Imagine how popular that game would be.....

Especially if they extend the Tech to the current Wiimote form...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2011, 03:26:15 PM
and forget 3D porn. Now you can join in on the grope fest of your favorite pornstar.
This will innovate beyond the gaming uses.


on a more serious note though, with haptics, now you will be able to navigate the touch screen without looking away from the TV.
Buttons, sliders, dials & switches. Puzzles and menus will never be the same again.


You say that Rumble is easily forgotten, but I think it's just more taken for granted. It's something that we've become so used to, that we probably don't consciously acknowledge it. Haptic touchscreens could become the next rumble in a sense that it will be in most devices with a touchscreen and we will eventually not even notice it as some extra feature we didn't use to have.


My only question, beyond is this even legit, is how much would this tech cost to implement and what would this magical controller cost us in th end?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on May 02, 2011, 03:28:25 PM
It is rather sad how my faith in Nintendo has changed over the years.  Ten years ago when Nintendo had introduced the analog stick and rumble and it was all really cool I was pumped for any new Nintendo innovations.  But the touchscreen and waggle wand were so underwhelming to me that I read about this haptic stuff and I am instinctively rolling my eyes.  It's like I'm just waiting for the stupid gimmick that fucks up the Super Wii's capacity to play normal videogames.

In theory the ideas presented sound really cool and have potential.  But I figure they'll just be used in a lame way.  Hell I feel the same about 3D and how they hell can you screw up that idea?  Nintendo has going have to really blow me away to get me back to that old feeling where I looked forward to their new ideas and gave them the benefit of the doubt.

Of course the thing with force feedback is that it really adds to a game at first but it doesn't take long for you to stop noticing it.  It's still there and it's subtle but if you took it away most people probably would not notice.

Oh go hump an electric fence, this is going to be awesome.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 02, 2011, 04:17:14 PM
Ten years ago when

I don't want you to feel old, but the N64 came out in 1996, so that was actually 15 years ago.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 02, 2011, 04:43:49 PM
and forget 3D porn. Now you can join in on the grope fest of your favorite pornstar.
This will innovate beyond the gaming uses.


on a more serious note though, with haptics, now you will be able to navigate the touch screen without looking away from the TV.
Buttons, sliders, dials & switches. Puzzles and menus will never be the same again.


You say that Rumble is easily forgotten, but I think it's just more taken for granted. It's something that we've become so used to, that we probably don't consciously acknowledge it. Haptic touchscreens could become the next rumble in a sense that it will be in most devices with a touchscreen and we will eventually not even notice it as some extra feature we didn't use to have.


My only question, beyond is this even legit, is how much would this tech cost to implement and what would this magical controller cost us in th end?

I remember discussing in my Wii 2 a while back that something like this would be for LoZ where Link stands in a shallow stream and the haptic technology massages your hand with rippples that represent water and then the built-in vitality sensor would record how you respond and thus increase the flow of water.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 02, 2011, 05:12:17 PM
Quote
I don't want you to feel old, but the N64 came out in 1996, so that was actually 15 years ago.

Actually I did mean around 10 years ago when the Cube was almost out in that at that time period I had incredibly confidence and faith in Nintendo and they had had some recent awesome innovations to justify that.
 
I didn't think of the using this for touchscreen feedback.  That would actually make pipe dream "the button layout is on the touchscreen" ideas potentially work.  That could be cool.
 
Though, again, how much is a controller going to cost here?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 02, 2011, 05:43:55 PM
So if the screen can create textured buttons then maybe all these mockups are getting it wrong because every mockup has standard buttons, but if the screen can generate the buttons then maybe standard buttons aren't even needed on it. Maybe all it needs is an analog stick or two and that's it. Everything else can just be made on the touchscreen thinger.

If that can be pulled off, it would mean that's the only controller you'd ever need (waggle aside) each game can have its own customized buttons and button layout. If you were to play a Genesis game on the VC, then the screen could generate Genesis buttons for you in the Genesis controller layout. Or it can be a Turbografix16 controller, or whatever the case may be. But the big question is if this can be pulled off? Is it going to be a reliable functionality that is going to perform as well as standard controller buttons do? If not then the whole idea is garbage. But if it can work just as good then Nintendo might really be on to something here.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 02, 2011, 05:48:29 PM
This sounds like such a load of crap. If it's real its going to take allot of convincing for me to buy into this feature. Draw a line in the sand, feel the sea breeze, sturdiness of a tree? Good god that makes me want to throw up. I'm the guy who bought into bongos for music and platforming and loved both. I eat up the touch screen for menu's and platforming Yoshi Touch and Go style. I don't mind the shake mechanic in galaxy or DK returns at all, in some cases I prefer it. But this, this sounds like such a lame way to cash in on early moronic adopters such as myself.

I remember before Wii came out some kid with his friends was explaining how if you do a kick flip in real life it will happen in the game. Feeling a breeze from the lake? In the sense that I am thinking? Yeah right! I'll believe it when I feel it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2011, 06:25:21 PM
A lot of these rumors are just old Wii controller rumors brought back to life. I remember people talking about a touchscreen controller (though I guess it's different here with the touchscreen supposedly being part of the controller instead of the entire controller itself) and haptic technology. I would think after 6 years, it's affordable or at least more affordable now. As cool as the tech sounds, I'm having a hard time buying into it since I've heard it all before. It also seems like too much considering simplicity often prevails. A large touchscreen on a traditional controller with an accelerometer and gyroscope is pretty straightforward. It opens up a whole new level of possibilities that hasn't been done on home consoles before. The touchscreen would be the most expensive component of the controller even if it includes its own cpu. Adding things to the touchscreen like a haptic layer complicates things further. It almost seems like too much.


In any case, I'm glad Nintendo announced that they're showing Project Cafe at E3 so we get some definite answers soon. The shitstorm of ugly mockups and facepalm inducing rumors should only last the next month or so. I presume Nintendo isn't too worried about Microsoft and Sony copying them at this point since they know the competition is going to copy them either way at some point and Cafe is launching at least a year (more likely 2) before either Sony/MS. Should that be the case, I'm impressed. Keeping the controller a secret from most 3rd parties was an awful idea. Maybe they're finally learning not to alienate their partners. It only took them like 15 years (since that N64 Dream Team of developers nonsense).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 02, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
Quote
But the big question is if this can be pulled off? Is it going to be a reliable functionality that is going to perform as well as standard controller buttons do?

If this technology already was present in our lives in some way I would have more confidence in it.  But I have no idea how well this sort of thing works and I don't want to be a guinea pig for it.  With a controller it needs to work perfect.  Not "good enough" and certainly not wishy washy.
 
I turned on motion control the second I moved my "golf club" back to swing and the Mii on the screen just rocketted the ball into the woods before I swung forward.  I'm not at all in the mood for another generation of finicky controls.  I want it to work reliably and if that means they have to cook this haptic idea for another generation before it becomes usable then so be it.
 
It is normal for games to rely one to push two buttons at once which is difficult for a touchscreen to do.  But it might not be so necessary with a touchscreen since you can just give it more buttons.  Usually pushing two buttons together is a workaround for a lack of buttons.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2011, 07:13:54 PM
So if the screen can create textured buttons then maybe all these mockups are getting it wrong because every mockup has standard buttons, but if the screen can generate the buttons then maybe standard buttons aren't even needed on it. Maybe all it needs is an analog stick or two and that's it. Everything else can just be made on the touchscreen thinger.

Except that Iwata went out of his way to say that they like buttons and that there will always be buttons on a Nintendo controller.

Rumors even state that there are the standard 8 buttons on the controller, so if they are gonna put more buttons on the touchcreen, it will likely be macro style buttons where you can change the function of the button on the fly.* But any buttons on a touch screen will be in addition to regular buttons on the controller.



*imagine playing an Action RPG and you can have 4 spells/items attached to your 4 face buttons. You will have your pic at over 30 spells and 40 items in 2 tabs on the left side of your touch screen where you can drag and drop the spell/item icon onto the 4 buttons on teh right side of the screen. You don't need haptics for that idea, but I think on the fly button management sounds good.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2011, 07:26:07 PM
I don't believe it because that would mean Nintendo is throwing every trick at this controller...tricks that no other company has been working on or really developed a consumer product.  The expense is just too high for a consumer.

However, IF I am wrong...then I believe this would mostly be used to feel buttons on a screen and that is all.  You can no simulate real feelings and textures with a touchscreen.  And if you could and Nintendo had the technology first...they shouldn't be making a game system, but a freaking tablet with the device because it would revolutionize every industry. 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 02, 2011, 07:45:13 PM
This could have some potential to allow games to be developed specifically tailored to blind people. The Haptic screen thing could allow for braile to be displayed and interacted with so you wouldn't have to actually see to know what you are doing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2011, 08:01:35 PM
You are wrong.

They've been demonstrating the tech for years.
here is a video from 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUWy2GW7XQ4&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUWy2GW7XQ4&feature=youtu.be)

I even remember a story from a while back about how they could put a haptic film over a current screen and it didn't actually cost that much once mass produced.

here is another video from 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7xkiy0K2BE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7xkiy0K2BE)

We should actually try to break down this controller and figure out what it would cost to build.

Standard controller parts - ~$7
(4 face buttons, 4 shoulder/triggers, 2 analog sticks, d-pad, - + home buttons, circuit board, plastic)
6" touch screen - ~$15
(Nintendo has manufactured almost 150million 3.xxin touch screens over the last 6 years, they must cost pennies at this point. almost quadrupling the screen space for a single<?> touch screen can't be that expensive )
Gyro/Accelerometers - ~$3
(Nintendo has sold more wiimotes and M+ accessories than I even care to count. those things must be worth pennies a piece at this point. Upgraded ones shouldn't be that much more expensive)
Haptic screen overlay - ~$8
(completely estimated. Basing it off some article I read a long time ago on the subject that I can't find.)
Wireless tech - ~$10
(bluetooth + WirelessHD or whatever is in each controller can't be that expensive)
Camera - ~$5
(probably not a very high tech camera, but hopefully it's capable of 1080p. I wouldn't expect more than a 1.2mp camera, but a 5+mp camera would be nice)
IR sensors - ~$1
it's probably less than that, but i'll round to the nearest dollar
CPU - $8
(all that touchscreen & streaming tech will need to be processed locally right?)
Battery - ~$15
(6" screen, haptics, touch, camera, CPU & wireless/streaming all need power)

That brings us to a total of ~$72 for a tablet controller
add on $8 profit for each controller and this thing is looking quite expensive @ $80 each.

And some of us are thinking they are gonna update the Wiimote and include that in the box too....

Either this console is gonna be expensive, I've extremely over estimated the cost of parts, this controller is not gonna be anything like the rumors suggest or the console itself will be weak in favor of a beefed up controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 02, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
so is there going to be casual feeling or hardcore feeling?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2011, 09:20:32 PM
I just realized that I left out the Vitality/Biometric Sensor - ~$5?
(I assume it will be in the form of a rubber grip that you would naturally squeeze while holding the controller so that you aren't even aware that you are doing it. Nintendo's been working on this for a while, so I expect it to be fairly cheap.)

so add all that up and you have a $77 controller that would probably retail for ~$90
Online better be good, because I don't see myself springing for more than one controller unless it comes packed in with a must have game for almost free.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 02, 2011, 10:34:25 PM
The Wii 2 itself has to be beefed up in order to send processed HD video, especially if controller can act independently of each other.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Either this console is gonna be expensive, I've extremely over estimated the cost of parts, this controller is not gonna be anything like the rumors suggest or the console itself will be weak in favor of a beefed up controller.
The console can be a beast and have a pricey controller as well. If Nintendo and 3rd parties can deliver a seamless and unique experience, price really isn't going to be an issue. That's a huge "if" but if any company can do it, I'd put money on Nintendo. They've made ideas work that sound absolutely insane on paper. Ignore the one handed controller shaped like a TV remote. How about Mario driving a go-kart? How about Mario in general? Bitch, please....

$15 seems low for a 6 inch screen. For comparison's sake, the iPhone 4's screen was $28.50 when it first came out. Granted, I doubt the resolution would be as high on Nintendo's controller, but it is a larger screen and I would hope Nintendo would be smart enough to use something lightweight and durable like Gorilla Glass since, unlike the 3DS, the touch screen would be exposed at all times (I always thought DS/3DS should have employed glass touch screens). Scratched screens = FTL

Also, Nintendo could get a camera capable of 1080p for under $10 but considering the 3DS cameras cost less than $1, that seems more likely. I'm not sure Nintendo can get away with selling an $80 controller even though they did for like a year and a half. Selling something in 3 installments (i.e. Wii Remote, nunchuck, Motion Plus) appears cheaper than a lump sum of $80. That's why informercials seems so enticing even though "3 easy payments of $49.99" really means "$150. Nintendo should aim for $60, $70 tops.

By the way, you forgot the speaker. That was a great addition to the Wii remote and woefully under-utilized.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2011, 11:30:29 PM
Which is why I don't think this controller will have all that.  I still find it hard to believe you can truly experience real touch with haptics...but I am willing and hoping to be surprised.

I know Nintendo has raised the bar for pricey controllers...they thought people would carry their controllers over and you would not need more than 1 or 2 tops...but that isn't realistic.  People MUSt have 2 controllers, but most people have 3-4 controllers because they want to play with their friends at home...and not everyone has a system, or carries controllers with them. 

I think a lot of the extra features in these controllers don't exist.  A touch screen yes...but it will not be HD, it will be a resolution between the 3DS and DS I could see that. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2011, 11:40:54 PM
The resolution better be higher if the screen is expected to be that much bigger than a 3DS screen.

I can believe the touchscreen just not the haptic layer.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 12:13:57 AM
I figure a speaker is had for pennies at this point too.

As far as the screen is concerned, it's rumored to be 800x500 which isn't HD, but might look it at only 6.2" (rumored size).

But the Haptic Touchscreen would be really cool, and if it's as cheap as I think it is, since there are other companies putting them on market as we speak, then I say Nintendo should implement it and take the credit for making it a widespread tech like the touchscreen on the DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Nemo on May 03, 2011, 12:18:25 AM
 I'm usually an early adopter (launch) and other friends will want to play, but can't bring their own controllers if they don't own the system. So, I generally buy 4 controllers. Maybe not this time, though...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 03, 2011, 12:18:34 AM
Jeezzz...

E3 can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 03, 2011, 03:14:22 AM
All this haptic stuff was all the rage before the Wii remote was revealed.  Pretty much every rumor involved haptics somehow.  I don't believe it for a second this time either.
Title: Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc & 1080p
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 12:38:37 PM
Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc
http://kotaku.com/#!5797890/nintendos-next-console-will-enter-the-hd-era-but-not-the-hard+drive-era (http://kotaku.com/#!5797890/nintendos-next-console-will-enter-the-hd-era-but-not-the-hard+drive-era)
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The console, codenamed Project Café, will include 8 gigabytes of on-board flash-based memory, presumably for game storage. That quantity, while nearly 16 times the storage capacity of the Wii, is smaller than the 20GB of room available in the original, optional hard drives offered in 2005 for the Xbox 360. The amount of memory in the new Nintendo console would also be dwarfed by the 250 GB drives offered in current, high-end versions of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.
[...]
The new 2012-scheduled Nintendo system will fall more in line with the 360 and PlayStation 3 by matching those consoles' abilities to render and output graphics in high-definition. I've heard mixed things about whether Nintendo will cap their machine's graphical resolution at 1080i or 1080p, but either figure would significantly exceed the Wii's 480p and achieve the resolutions used for most high-end console games on the Microsoft and Sony consoles.

Nintendo's disc format for the new console will hold 25GB of data, I've heard. That capacity is triple the size of the biggest DVD-style discs for Wii and Xbox 360 and comparable to the capacity of single-layer Blu-Ray discs on the PlayStation 3.
more at the link

8GB onboard flash sounds fine(16-32GB sounds better), 25GB disc sounds great, 1080p should be a given.
SD card support is good, but Optional HDD's better be an option though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 03, 2011, 12:49:21 PM
Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc
http://kotaku.com/# (http://kotaku.com/#)!5797890/nintendos-next-console-will-enter-the-hd-era-but-not-the-hard+drive-era
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The console, codenamed Project Café, will include 8 gigabytes of on-board flash-based memory, presumably for game storage. That quantity, while nearly 16 times the storage capacity of the Wii, is smaller than the 20GB of room available in the original, optional hard drives offered in 2005 for the Xbox 360. The amount of memory in the new Nintendo console would also be dwarfed by the 250 GB drives offered in current, high-end versions of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.
[...]
The new 2012-scheduled Nintendo system will fall more in line with the 360 and PlayStation 3 by matching those consoles' abilities to render and output graphics in high-definition. I've heard mixed things about whether Nintendo will cap their machine's graphical resolution at 1080i or 1080p, but either figure would significantly exceed the Wii's 480p and achieve the resolutions used for most high-end console games on the Microsoft and Sony consoles.

Nintendo's disc format for the new console will hold 25GB of data, I've heard. That capacity is triple the size of the biggest DVD-style discs for Wii and Xbox 360 and comparable to the capacity of single-layer Blu-Ray discs on the PlayStation 3.
more at the link

8GB onboard flash sounds fine(16-32GB sounds better), 25GB disc sounds great, 1080p should be a given.
SD card support is good, but Optional HDD's better be an option though.
That doesn't make sense. 
It sound like Nintendo was using HD-DVD with that size. 
8GB of drive is pathetic.  If a smartphone can generally have as much space as your console that's pathetic.  8gb of flash for developers to use for whatever for their games that be cool. 
Since my TV can only do 480i/p and 1080i I'm ok with that.  Though the 25gb disc with how big Blu-ray easily gets seems silly unless it wasn't actually optical.

I'm really hoping that the 8gb of flash are used like I mentioned.  That would help bring load times down.
Title: Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc & 1080p
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 01:13:37 PM
8GB of fast onboard flash is fine. SD card support is still in and if you look at the 3DS, the SD card storage is an extension of the onboard flash. 16GB SD cards cost like $20-$30 today and likely to be $15-$20 each a year from now. Nintendo is also doing a background OS, so being expandable by external HDD can easily be achieved with a FW update.

25GB is the size of a single layer Bluray Disc.
if my memory serves me right, HDDVD was 15GB single layer
So if this rumor is true, then that rumor of them Using a Bluray disc is true and our speculation that they would do it just like DVD's and not use the file format but use the physical disc would be correct.
So hopefully they allow the end user to pay the licensing fee and allow Bluray playback, that would be another good move from Nintendo.

As far as the 1080i thing, I didn't even acknowledge it as a possibility. It makes no sense. Who would cap their resolution at 1080i? If Nintendo was gonna support HD and wanted to ensure relevance by possibly being lead dev when PS4/720 hit the market, then 1080p standard is the only choice on the table. I'm not even gonna consider 1080i a possibility.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 03, 2011, 01:57:59 PM
I'm disappointed by this lack of a hard drive. 8gb is no where near enough for modern games. That might let you hold one or maybe two HD games, but that's it. It seems like in every generation Nintendo is always one step behind in at least one thing. I guess in this generation its going to be HDD support. But the ridiculous thing about this is even the original Xbox and the PS2 (optionally) had support for hard drives. I just looked on Wikipedia and the original Xbox had a hard drive of 8gb or 10gb, so the next generation Nintendo console is going to have only as much or less space as the original Xbox. This is just ridiculous of Nintendo.

You all know what this is going to mean, don't you? This means that once again 3rd parties are going to have an excuse to ignore a Nintendo console. With only 8gb of storage, DLC addons are going to be severely restricted and installing games to the hard drive is also out of the question. This sucks!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on May 03, 2011, 02:00:18 PM
BUT IT'S ONBOARD STORAGE. IT'S LITERRALLY ON. BOARD.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 02:22:47 PM
BUT IT'S ONBOARD STORAGE. IT'S LITERRALLY ON. BOARD.

seriously.
The original Xbox has 0 bytes of onboard storage
The original Xbox360 had 0 bytes of onboard storage (+ Optional 20-250GB HDD)
The PS3 has 0 bytes of onboard storage (+ 20GB - 250GB HDD)
Wii has 512MB of onboard storage
New 360slim has 4GB of onboard storage (+ Optional 250GB HDD)
3DS has 2GB of onboard storage (+ 2GB SD card)

Wii2 is rumored to have 8GB of onboard storage

sounds like Nintendo is ahead of the curve on Onboard storage
HDD support on the other hand.....

Atleast we will have SD card expansion out of the box if 3DS is anything to go by.
32GB SD card Aren't that expensive right now and will only be cheaper a year from now and then again a year from then.


edit: Nintendo could always do what they did with the 3DS (& Verizon did with my cell phone) by including a separate SD card to expand space out of the box. Maybe Wii2 will come with a 16GB card already in the slot just like my phone came with a 32GB card already installed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 03, 2011, 03:08:45 PM
BUT IT'S ONBOARD STORAGE. IT'S LITERRALLY ON. BOARD.

seriously.
The original Xbox has 0 bytes of onboard storage
The original Xbox360 had 0 bytes of onboard storage (+ Optional 20-250GB HDD)
The PS3 has 0 bytes of onboard storage (+ 20GB - 250GB HDD)
Wii has 512MB of onboard storage
New 360slim has 4GB of onboard storage (+ Optional 250GB HDD)
3DS has 2GB of onboard storage (+ 2GB SD card)

Wii2 is rumored to have 8GB of onboard storage

sounds like Nintendo is ahead of the curve on Onboard storage
HDD support on the other hand.....

Atleast we will have SD card expansion out of the box if 3DS is anything to go by.
32GB SD card Aren't that expensive right now and will only be cheaper a year from now and then again a year from then.


edit: Nintendo could always do what they did with the 3DS (& Verizon did with my cell phone) by including a separate SD card to expand space out of the box. Maybe Wii2 will come with a 16GB card already in the slot just like my phone came with a 32GB card already installed.

What I see Nintendo doing with the Wii2 HDD is to just provide a slot for a 2.5 SATA laptop HDD like that of the PS3 and then let the consumer provide their hard drive.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 03:16:50 PM
That's also a possibility and much better than the idea I had of them releasing an external shell tethered by a USB 3.0 cable, that you just plug any HDD into and the Wii2 would recognize it & format it accordingly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 03, 2011, 03:40:58 PM
That's also a possibility and much better than the idea I had of them releasing an external shell tethered by a USB 3.0 cable, that you just plug any HDD into and the Wii2 would recognize it & format it accordingly.

I assume that Nintendo will allow every storage option available jut to avoid the same issue that they faced with the Wii. High definition graphics and advanced online capabilities is not enough to attract third parties alone. The system needs as much storage as possible and the only true way to accomodate that issue is to have an HDD with storage options as high as 500 GBs from the box. Of course I stand by my motion that Nintendo will not provide the HDDs themsleves but the slot in order to avoid cost issues. Let the consumer decide what is best for them by making every modern storage solution avalaible for your system out of the box on day one.

One reason for Nintendo to inlcude HDD support is Gamecube emulation. If the Gamecube were to appear on Virtual Console then it will need lots of storage to accomodate the games. Nintendo can never pass up the opprotunity to charge us on stuff that they have already sold us before, so I assume that if the only thing standing in the way of Nintendo and greater riches via Gamecube emulation is a HDD slot then it will support hard drives.
 
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 03, 2011, 03:45:31 PM
BUT IT'S ONBOARD STORAGE. IT'S LITERRALLY ON. BOARD.

seriously.
The original Xbox has 0 bytes of onboard storage
The original Xbox360 had 0 bytes of onboard storage (+ Optional 20-250GB HDD)
The PS3 has 0 bytes of onboard storage (+ 20GB - 250GB HDD)
Wii has 512MB of onboard storage
New 360slim has 4GB of onboard storage (+ Optional 250GB HDD)
3DS has 2GB of onboard storage (+ 2GB SD card)

Wii2 is rumored to have 8GB of onboard storage

sounds like Nintendo is ahead of the curve on Onboard storage
HDD support on the other hand.....

Atleast we will have SD card expansion out of the box if 3DS is anything to go by.
32GB SD card Aren't that expensive right now and will only be cheaper a year from now and then again a year from then.


edit: Nintendo could always do what they did with the 3DS (& Verizon did with my cell phone) by including a separate SD card to expand space out of the box. Maybe Wii2 will come with a 16GB card already in the slot just like my phone came with a 32GB card already installed.

I just read about this in talkback and everyone elses negative predictions lowered my spirits. But I read this and I am content again. Cafe is predicted to have some on board storage while the latest systems today have 0? Plus we can potentially add more later with big SD's or maybe a hard drive? Whats the problem? Someone argue with BlackN so I can get a different view point on why this could be bad. I'm as technical as a tree so all I can do is sit, watch, and then be influenced by everyone else here.

BlackNMild what do you do for a living? You should be in some kind of marketing, or spokesmen for something.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 03, 2011, 03:46:35 PM
I think the Hard drive slot solution would be a good one for all parties available.  I've seen plenty of enclosures where its simply plug it in same as a cartridge.  I can get behind that idea.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 03, 2011, 03:48:59 PM
As for the optical media of the Wii 2, I am going to assume dual layered HD-DVD and not Blu Ray because Nintendo may not want to get involved with Sony.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 03, 2011, 03:51:54 PM
As for the optical media of the Wii 2, I am going to assume dual layered HD-DVD and not Blu Ray because Nintendo may not want to get involved with Sony.
I'm sure it will be something semi-custom.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 04:09:21 PM
As for the optical media of the Wii 2, I am going to assume dual layered HD-DVD and not Blu Ray because Nintendo may not want to get involved with Sony.

I've looked into that a bit and just so you know Sony doesn't own Bluray. The Bluray Consortium does and I think Panasonic actually holds the most Bluray related patents in the group.

So even if Nintendo was to pay royalties for bluray movie playback, which they likely won't, Sony would see a few pennies of that fee. Currently I think the fee is only $14 and Sony would see much less than $1 of it in a best case scenario.

Avoiding giving Sony ~36million  ($.060 per license x 60mill units) over the next 5 years is hardly worth the consideration. But like I said, Nintendo wouldn't use the licensing and instead do what they did for DVD on the Wii & miniDVD on the GC; use the physical disc and laser of the format but not the file system for movie playback compliance.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 03, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
As for the optical media of the Wii 2, I am going to assume dual layered HD-DVD and not Blu Ray because Nintendo may not want to get involved with Sony.

It would make some sense from an Anti-piracy standpoint as well, since HD-DVD is a dead format which means the burnable media for it is no longer being manufactured. Once existing stocks are gone, they're gone for good. The burners are also no longer being manufactured as well. Blu-ray is now an industry standard and computers are increasingly adopting Blu-ray drives and burners. It is a very vulnerable format to piracy, much like DVD and CD before.

Of course, giving an F-you to Sony by not using their proprietary format nor having to pay them licensing fees in order to use it are also major pluses. Why would Nintendo want to use a format owned by their main rival? That was why they rejected the SNES CD addon because Sony would have owned the rights to it. So it makes sense by that same logic they wouldn't want to use Blu-ray either.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 04:28:16 PM
I swear my post are invisible.

HDDVD will be easy to revive with very similar disc formats in China.

Sony DOES NOT own Bluray and it is not their own proprietary format.
The Bluray Disc Association owns it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association)
as Bluray as it is today was a collaborative effort from many different companies who probably all own some patents that were used in finalizing the tech that we use today.

Sony sees a very small portion of royalties from Bluray movie sales and licensing for the BRD drives (capable of playing back movies) are at ~$14 per unit right now and expected to drop again next year.

A bigger F-U to Sony that also helps Nintendo (& one of it's partners Panasonic) is to use the Bluray format and not pay any licensing to anyone.... like they did with DVD on the Wii and miniDVD on the GC.




edit: And to my understanding Nintendo didn't back out of the Play Station with Sony because it used CD's that would give sony rights to Nintendo's money, they backed out of it because of a term in the contract where Sony would own any properties released on the CD's for use with the Play Station. 2 very different things.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 03, 2011, 04:36:06 PM
I swear my post are invisible.

HDDVD will be easy to revive with very similar disc formats in China.

Sony DOES NOT own Bluray and it is not their own proprietary format.
The Bluray Disc Association owns it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association)
as Bluray as it is today was a collaborative effort from many different companies who probably all own some patents that were used in finalizing the tech that we use today.

Sony sees a very small portion of royalties from Bluray movie sales and licensing for the BRD drives (capable of playing back movies) are at ~$14 per unit right now and expected to drop again next year.

A bigger F-U to Sony that also helps Nintendo (& one of it's partners Panasonic) is to use the Bluray format and not pay any licensing to anyone.... like they did with DVD on the Wii and miniDVD on the GC.




edit: And to my understanding Nintendo didn't back out of the Play Station with Sony because it used CD's that would give sony rights to Nintendo's money, they backed out of it because of a term in the contract where Sony would own any properties released on the CD's for use with the Play Station. 2 very different things.
Also have it spin backward.  :P   As I said I'm sure that it will be something mostly custom except the media.  The Presses themselves don't care.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 03, 2011, 04:37:03 PM
BUT IT'S ONBOARD STORAGE. IT'S LITERRALLY ON. BOARD.

Phew! Well, that's a relief. I was worried for a minute that 8GB of storage space wasn't going to be enough to download huge amounts of GC games and DLC. I guess my fears were unfounded. Its onboard storage so everything's fine, right?

/sarcasm
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 04:45:44 PM
I guess you've never heard of an SD card (expandable upto at least 64GB)... you know like the one in the 3DS where you can boot directly from it

/not sarcasm
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 03, 2011, 05:19:41 PM
But honestly, even 64gb wouldn't be enough. Broodwars pointed out in another thread how he has to frequently uninstall his old games on his 160gb PS3 in order to have room left on it. So if 160gb is a struggle to get by with then how is 64gb going to work? Not to mention the fact that the 64gb requires an additional purchase from the consumer and isn't going to be a default feature of every system. That means that developers are goign to be less likely to fully support the system with DLC and other content.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
Do you know why there is a need to install games on the PS3?
Besides not wanting to swap disc, it's because it's a 1st generation BRD drive and is kinda slow at reading through the GB's of data.

The system Nintendo uses (CAV I believe) allows them to access data more efficiently, so even if they used a Bluray drive it should be multiple times faster than a PS3 drive and since it will likely have a different file system, they now have 2 reasons why they should be accessing data faster than the PS3 drives. Therefore outside of not wanting to swap disc, you shouldn't need disc installs.

But at the same time optional HDD's haven't been ruled out, as the only thing that was mentioned was the onboard storage, like the Wii, 3DS & 360slim all have.
All 3 of those have optional extra storage and the latter 2 of the 3 even let you boot software from them.

You want to store DLC, buy an SD card, maybe Nintendo will even be nice (like with the 3DS) and throw a SDHC card in the box with the system. 16GB plus the 8GB onboard should be plenty for 95% of the customer base.
Most DLC probably wouldn't be over 100MB anyway, most Wii2Ware probably won't cross .5GB & outside of the possibility of GC games on the VC, no VC games are gonna be bigger than 256MB, so 8GB + 16GB expanded will cover almost everyone.

for those that need more, 32GB cards are not that expensive and get cheaper every year and with the background OS approach, in/external HDD's shouldn't be an issue should the need arise if support wasn't included from the start.
Title: Rumor Consolidation 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 06:20:22 PM
Rumor Consolidation 2011

September 2010:
-Itagaki of Team Ninja hints at game Devil's Third being made for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670302#msg670302)

October 2010:
-Marvell QuadCore processors for new console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg637155#msg637155) - *This might have had something to do with Kinect, But I don't remember.
-IBM implies that Wii2 uses Cell based PPC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565)

November 2010:
-Marvell Quad cores gets a large order: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642274#msg642274) From large console manufacturer - *once again might be Kinect related.
-House of the Dead: Overkill 2 in the works (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642866#msg642866) 
-EA reviving NFL Blitz (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg644226#msg644226)

December 2010:

January 2011:
-UltraViolet Media Cloud service coming to a console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg648998#msg648998) - Most Likely Sony since Sony is a partner.
-New Pokemon game for Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg649154#msg649154)

February 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg657316#msg657316) according to THQ

March 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg661397#msg661397) according to EA
-AMD working on CPU/GPU combined chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release

April 2011:
-Monster Hunter 3DS to be announced soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg664597#msg664597)
-SSFIV3D connects to home console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg665437#msg665437) - Hint @ Wii2 from Capcom and 3DS -> Wii2 connectivity
-Wii price drop to $150 on May 15th (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666463#msg666463) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34277.msg671062#msg671062)
-Wii2 announcement @ E3: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666740#msg666740) 1080p HD, More powerful than PS360, BC with Wii, release late 2012 *Partially Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668832#msg668832)
-New Wii2 controller has HD screen built in (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666915#msg666915)
-Wii2 to use Bluray technology (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666928#msg666928)
-Wii2 actually aimed at early 2012 release (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666975#msg666975) (1st half 2012) *IGN backs this up in their mailbag (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668171#msg668171)*
-Controller Screen is actually a Touch Screen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666977#msg666977)
-Project Cafe: Wii2 Controller is a Tablet: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667008#msg667008) 6" touch Screen on Controller, front facing camera & doubles as sensor bar for BC *Codename Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778)
-Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667026#msg667026) Wii2 controller to rival 3DS, NGP, iPhone & iPad apparently
-1st & 3rd Party games @ E3 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667069#msg667069) EA, Ubisoft & Capcom all but confirmed
-Wii2 = TriCore PPC & R700 class GPU w/ 512+MB Ram (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667113#msg667113) Another surprise to be shown @ E3
-3rd Parties have had Wii2 Dev Kits for Months (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667129#msg667129), Has better Motion Tracking than Move
-Pikmin 3 moved to Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667251#msg667251) to be shown @ E3; Nintendo also in talks with R* for solid AAA support.
-Wii2 launch June 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667781#msg667781); Rockstar delivering game (?GTA V?) during launch window
-Wii2, 3DS & E3!? Oh Yes!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667939#msg667939); 3rd Parties taking a front seat this time around.
-Retro working on Wii2 game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667943#msg667943); and it's "a project everyone wants us to do" (Starfox? Zelda? New Original FPS?)
-Wii 2 will not be Dreamcast, it’ll be “the PlayStation 2 of next gen” (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672134#msg672134); A true next gen console? sounds like it.
-Retro's new game is actually Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668169#msg668169)
-"Where there's smoke, there's fire" - Miyamoto's comment on Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668209#msg668209) - He also said not to believe everything you hear though.
-Wii2 controller has a 6.2" screen and 8 buttons (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668218#msg668218)
-IGN: The N Stream (Wii2) Details "confirmed"? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668242#msg668242)
-1up says: No Friend Codes for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668681#msg668681)
-Retro making DKCR sequel for Wii2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668753#msg668753)
-Project Cafe Codename Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778); 01net rumors now have even more credibility
-4Chan Cafe "Leak" (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669121#msg669121)?; Sounds like a wishlist to me.
-Rareware to make 3DS games? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669156#msg669156); not sure how likely this one is, but Rare did release DS games
-Nintendo Select = $19.99 Players Choice line? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669695#msg669695) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34261.msg670710#msg670710)
-Project Cafe E3 Publishers List? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670039#msg670039); More than likely fake, but the real thing will probably still be close

May 2011
-Haptic Feedback & Vitality Sensor Built In? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670488#msg670488)
-Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc & 1080p (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670741#msg670741)
-Track Pad in the Cafe Pad? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671094#msg671094); Just because I don't believe it don't mean it's not possible...
-GTAV to be revealed @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671178#msg671178)
-$350+ Wii2 starts production in October (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671233#msg671233)
-MS to steal Nintendo's thunder @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671476#msg671476)
-Zumba Fitness 2 for Project Cafe? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671988#msg671988) to be announced/released early 2012!?
-Pikmin 3 & Endless Ocean 3 screenshots? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672082#msg672082) They're likely fake, but what if they aren't.... E3 is still so far away.
-IGN: Cafe to use a 4850? maybe 2GB's of RAM (1GB GPU & 1GB CPU)? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672602#msg672602)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on May 03, 2011, 06:25:45 PM
it is May.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 06:33:00 PM
yes you are right. I'll fix that right now :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 03, 2011, 06:50:51 PM
I could see Nintendo releasing 2SKUs, one with a HD and one without but still upgradable should one decide to buy one separately. Seriously, though, SSD or GTFO. The prices are going down. In any case, Nintendo needs a solution to this and if they don't, that's pretty much going to prove how serious they are about supporting 3rd parties who love DLC since Gamestop can't get a cut because DLC can't be traded and resold.

I'm still curious why Nintendo would even consider optical discs when they don't even like the format and already support the format they prefer. Most games are well under 8GB in this so-called "HD era." What does Nintendo have to gain by having a 25GB disc, especially when they have to pay Panasonic for the parts? With Nintendo most likely shunning DVD/Blu-Ray playback (which is fine by me, I have a PS3 that I don't play games on), the only advantage is the price difference between discs and cards which isn't that large anymore. What hogs up memory these days? CG and uncompressed data. No one needs 25GB's of disc space no matter what Sony says.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 07:03:40 PM
I could see Nintendo releasing 2SKUs, one with a HD and one without but still upgradable should one decide to buy one separately. Seriously, though, SSD or GTFO. The prices are going down. In any case, Nintendo needs a solution to this and if they don't, that's pretty much going to prove how serious they are about supporting 3rd parties who love DLC since Gamestop can't get a cut because DLC can't be traded and resold.

I say 1 SKU with the option to add storage to match your needs and budget. No reason Jack & Jane shoudl buy a $349 Wii2 with a 250GB HDD in it when they don't need it and won't use it when everyone could have bought a $299 Wii2 w/ no HDD and then spend $30 on that same 250GB HDD later when I felt I would actually need it.

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I'm still curious why Nintendo would even consider optical discs when they don't even like the format and already support the format they prefer. Most games are well under 8GB in this so-called "HD era." What does Nintendo have to gain by having a 25GB disc, especially when they have to pay Panasonic for the parts? With Nintendo most likely shunning DVD/Blu-Ray playback (which is fine by me, I have a PS3 that I don't play games on), the only advantage is the price difference between discs and cards which isn't that large anymore. What hogs up memory these days? CG and uncompressed data. No one needs 25GB's of disc space no matter what Sony says.

Portability with PS360 & PS4/720
Does Nintendo really want to be the only hardware stuck with an 8GB disc format when everyone else is pumping out games that fill up BRD's?

Lots of games may still take up less than 8GB today, but I'm guessing alot of that is because 360 is the lead platform and most of the games don't actually run at 1080p. I'm pretty sure that most games even at 1080p won't need 25GB of space, but you gotta see and plan a little further in the future than just tomorrow when you are planning a system that is supposed to last from 2012 to 2017 at the very least.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 03, 2011, 07:06:13 PM
Maybe Nintendo is going with 25 GB discs to allow for easy multiplatform releases.  Yeah you probably don't need 25 GB but Sony offers 25 GB so if someone does make a huge game on the PS3 they can put it on the Super Wii without having to compress things or move to multiple discs or whatever.  Or it might honestly be cheaper to just use Blu Rays then to come up with new format and they figure DVDs might be too out-of-date to compete with any PS4 or XBox 720 coming out in the future.

It would be nice of Nintendo just supported SD cards and Hard Drives.  Seriously if they just let the user decide what they want to use then it becomes less of an issue.  That way if SD cards become the affordable solution then it supports it but at the same time hard drives are the more affordable solution right now.  It provides flexibility for the future and the present.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 03, 2011, 07:16:49 PM
I say 1 SKU with the option to add storage to match your needs and budget. No reason Jack & Jane shoudl buy a $349 Wii2 with a 250GB HDD in it when they don't need it and won't use it when everyone could have bought a $299 Wii2 w/ no HDD and then spend $30 on that same 250GB HDD later when I felt I would actually need it.
Selling it separately costs more.
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Portability with PS360 & PS4/720
Does Nintendo really want to be the only hardware stuck with an 8GB disc format when everyone else is pumping out games that fill up BRD's?

Lots of games may still take up less than 8GB today, but I'm guessing alot of that is because 360 is the lead platform and most of the games don't actually run at 1080p. I'm pretty sure that most games even at 1080p won't need 25GB of space, but you gotta see and plan a little further in the future than just tomorrow when you are planning a system that is supposed to last from 2012 to 2017 at the very least.
/facepalm

Cards don't magically stop at 8GB. For games that need it, larger cards are available. By the time anyone would even need it, the prices will have dropped tremendously. Also, if Nintendo can become the lead platform, a game that fits on an 8GB card will probably only use 8GB on other platforms even if there's 25GB+ available.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 07:27:41 PM
I answered you question as the benefit of using a 25GB disc over a not 25GB disc instead of alternately using a comparable size flash drive.

a cartridge based flash disc would be too expensive to use in place of a disc especially at the number of GB's they are planning on needing. To press a BRD probably cost $0.70 per disc while a 10GB flash cart might cost a 3rd party something like $8 a cart.
That extra cost is gonna get transfered onto to someone because the 3rd party ain't gonna eat it.
I can bet you money that Nintendo ain't gonna eat it and the retailer ain't gonna eat it, so I'm sure you won't like it when you could either buy a game on the PS360 & 'PS4/720 for $60 or the same game on Wii2 for $70.

so go ahead and remove you palm from your face and instead reach your hand in your pocket, because that is where you would be starting to hurt the most.


edit: Selling it separately & non-proprietary allows me to buy for my needs at my price vs Nintendo justifying a higher price for marked up goods that I could have bought cheaper online.
see the 360 HDD ($100 for "proprietary" 2.5" laptop HDD's that could be bought online for $30)
or Xbox360 w/ HDD = $299 but w/o HDD = $199 (I can buy 2x the HDD space for 1/2 of the $100 they are charging)
or 360 Wifi ($100 for a wifi card that cost $20 anywhere you look for the PC)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 03, 2011, 07:45:26 PM
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a cartridge based flash disc would be too expensive to use in place of a disc especially at the number of GB's they are planning on needing. To press a BRD probably cost $0.70 per disc while a 10GB flash cart might cost a 3rd party something like $8 a cart.
That extra cost is gonna get transfered onto to someone because the 3rd party ain't gonna eat it.
I can bet you money that Nintendo ain't gonna eat it and the retailer ain't gonna eat it, so I'm sure you won't like it when you could either buy a game on the PS360 & 'PS4/720 for $60 or the same game on Wii2 for $70.

I don't think it would be us paying $70, I think it would be us not getting the game at all.  $8 vs. 70 cents?  That's not even close.  This would be N64 territory.
 
Despite what Nintendo thinks the world honestly is not that concerned with load times and sure as hell is not interested in paying a premium to avoid them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 07:51:24 PM
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a cartridge based flash disc would be too expensive to use in place of a disc especially at the number of GB's they are planning on needing. To press a BRD probably cost $0.70 per disc while a 10GB flash cart might cost a 3rd party something like $8 a cart.
That extra cost is gonna get transfered onto to someone because the 3rd party ain't gonna eat it.
I can bet you money that Nintendo ain't gonna eat it and the retailer ain't gonna eat it, so I'm sure you won't like it when you could either buy a game on the PS360 & 'PS4/720 for $60 or the same game on Wii2 for $70.

I don't think it would be us paying $70, I think it would be us not getting the game at all.  $8 vs. 70 cents?  That's not even close.  This would be N64 territory.
 
Despite what Nintendo thinks the world honestly is not that concerned with load times and sure as hell is not interested in paying a premium to avoid them.

That may be the case, and I'm sure a few would try it at first, but when the game doesn't sell, it would lead to the same problem that the N64 had; Low 3rd Party support due to size vs cost... N64 lost on both of those & Wii2 would too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 03, 2011, 08:43:41 PM
As a person that looks at file size often, I can say to you that most games DO exceed 8 gb (at least on the PS3). God of War was 48 gb!  Killzone was 46 gb! A reasonable game like Fifa 11 is 12 gb. Black Ops was 14 gb. The only games that are less than 8 gb are short 1 player games like Force Unleashed. On the flipside, Uncharted is 32 gb.

I do not know what Nintendo will use as their format, I just hope 3rd Parties give a ****.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 08:52:58 PM
Fifa 11 & BlOps on PS2 were those size, but how big were the 360 versions?

I ask because a lot of PS3 games dulplicate data because of how much space is on the disc and how long it takes the PS3 drives to read that data. It's easier & more convenient to duplicate the data all over the disc than it is to have long load times or smaller areas in the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 03, 2011, 09:05:02 PM
They aren't duplicated. These are rips of the game made specifically to be played off the external/internal harddrive.

There are some games like Killzone 3 where you can forgo the 3D version of the game, dropping it to ~20 gb.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 03, 2011, 09:10:29 PM
I just looked up a torrent that had 62 PS3 games on it with a download size of 535.7 gb. That comes out to around ~9 gb per game. Again, all these games have been ripped to be played on an external/internal harddrive.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 03, 2011, 09:11:55 PM
Fifa 11 & BlOps on PS2 were those size, but how big were the 360 versions?

I ask because a lot of PS3 games dulplicate data because of how much space is on the disc and how long it takes the PS3 drives to read that data. It's easier & more convenient to duplicate the data all over the disc than it is to have long load times or smaller areas in the game.
I think this is sort of ironic because of the load time don't matter argument.  I mean seriously I've been looking into some old RPGs and a lot of the version to get is because of load times.  Same with Portal 2.  With all things equal if the load times on one platform is non-existent I'm sure people who know would go for that one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 03, 2011, 09:18:03 PM
Assassin's Creed's load times piss me the **** off. If load time screens where more like Fifa, where I could kick around a ball and shoot on goal to pass the time, then I wouldn't mind. But in Assassin's Creed, your stuck in a matrix like room devoid of anything and it lasts forever.

I would love for Nintendo to go with carts.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 03, 2011, 09:30:05 PM
I remember reading that an N64 cart cost 3rd parties something like $20 vs. a CD at $1. That's not even close to what you're suggesting. The largest N64 cartridge offered 10 times less storage at 20 times the price. And that was at a time when developers were filling entire CDs. No one has filled an entire Blu Ray with actual content. A lot of it is uncompressed data. Just seems like Sony trying to justify Blu Ray than Blu Ray being a superior format.

You can try to argue that 3rd parties would balk at the extra cost but Nintendo's been using cards for 6 and a half years now and no one has complained. Obviously, Cafe games would ship on larger capacity cards. An 10GB card today might cost 3rd parties something like $8 per card, "today" being the operative word because it won't cost that much a year from now. And that's assuming they'd even need that much storage space. They wouldn't order 10GB cards if their game is, for example, sub-5GB thus reducing the price even more.

DS cards cost more than UMDs but that didn't change anything. Wii used regular sized DVDs, that didn't change anything either. It was also cheaper to develop for. There are other factors. Cartridges were certainly a deterrent on N64, but so was its awful hardware architecture. 3rd parties will support hardware they deem worth supporting. That's really the bottomline here. That and Nintendo doesn't even like optical media. Technology has finally caught up to the point where Nintendo can abandon it. For a game console, cards are a superior format. That's why I even brought this up. Nintendo marches to the beat of their own drum. This seems like something Nintendo would do and for once, I actually don't think 3rd parties would scoff at the decision so long as Nintendo provides them with quality hardware which, if the rumors are true, they are... finally. If 3rd parties feel they can make a profit, they'll support anything.
With all things equal if the load times on one platform is non-existent I'm sure people who know would go for that one.
/internet five

And to think I said all those terrible things about you. I take back (some of them).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 10:26:41 PM
I assume you are talking to me and I agree that carts would be the way to go, but I'm just answering your question as to why to go with an Optical medium over proprietary carts.

I would love ZERO load times, but I wouldn't like to pay an extra $10 for them per game.

The reality is that devs are gonna push the size limit as much as they can and they will be lazy with uncompressed and unoptimized code. The easier it is to fit it onto a Nintendo medium the more likely that it will be released on the Nintendo console. So if the 3rd parties tell Nintendo to just use the optical media that can dual layer upto 50GB for a few pennies more per press, then I would rather Nintendo use the optical media instead of being bull headed, like in Nintendo's past, and get the multi-platform titles as they appear on other platforms and not gimped with things cut out because 3rd parties got lazy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 03, 2011, 10:30:52 PM
well dvds only go to nearly 9 gb, bluerays are more expensive than flash cards...

im thinking maybe Nintendo will nix backwards compatability and tell people if they want to play gamecube games than get a wii, an even better idea would be to allow them for download if you already own the game.
Title: E3 Promo videos for Cafe already filmed?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2011, 10:41:16 PM
Looks like Nintendo may have filmed Cafe's E3 Promo Video last week
http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory (http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory)
Quote from: supererogatory superannuation
Told Nintendo filmed Cafe E3 promotional videos last week in Orange County with a bunch of seeming hand models cast "based on their hands."

The hands "had to be flawless" and "couldn't have blemishes, wrinkles or a lot of hair."

I'm guessing there will be lots of close ups of the controller being handled and played with.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 03, 2011, 10:49:43 PM
Or it's a bunch of people sipping coffee.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on May 03, 2011, 11:12:55 PM
it is May.

Thank you. Finally someone understands. I am so sick and tired of this '/sarcasm' in this thread. It seems that in their old age, too many on this very forum have grown into the warped, frustrated old man who can't see beyond his neighbor's overgrown hedges and have lost sight of what's important. In my heydey, May used to be the holiest month of the gamer's calendar; the month of E3 and the leadup to it was a time of reflection, speculation, tall tales, glorious controller mockups, vision quests, and unbroken unity. What is it now? One or two guys posting rumors and the rest crapping on them as if they were confirmed and acting as if it's the second coming of the Nintendo 64. We are one month and 4 days from the greatest day of the year, the day the Nintendo Hype Train leaves the station at full speed into the future, so is it too much to ask for a little more decorum? Names will be taken, ***es will be kicked, motion-controlled shields will be shattered, and 3D will blow our brains like OBL's... Sure, it may be the last console full of new screwups and subpar technology that only the lowest of nerds will care about... And sure, it may be the last hurrah before Nintendo rides off into the third party sunset, but I tell you -- IT IS NOT THIS DAY. ERE THE SUN RISES.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2011, 11:15:25 PM
it is May.

Thank you. Finally someone understands. I am so sick and tired of this '/sarcasm' in this thread. It seems that in their old age, too many on this very forum have grown into the warped, frustrated old man who can't see beyond his neighbor's overgrown hedges and have lost sight of what's important. In my heydey, May used to be the holiest month of the gamer's calendar; the month of E3 and the leadup to it was a time of reflection, speculation, tall tales, glorious controller mockups, vision quests, and unbroken unity. What is it now? One or two guys posting rumors and the rest crapping on them as if they were confirmed and acting as if it's the second coming of the Nintendo 64. We are one month and 4 days from the greatest day of the year, the day the Nintendo Hype Train leaves the station at full speed into the future, so is it too much to ask for a little more decorum? Names will be taken, ***es will be kicked, motion-controlled shields will be shattered, and 3D will blow our brains like OBL's... Sure, it may be the last console full of new screwups and subpar technology that only the lowest of nerds will care about... And sure, it may be the last hurrah before Nintendo rides off into the third party sunset, but I tell you -- IT IS NOT THIS DAY. ERE THE SUN RISES.

XDDDDDDDDDD MY MAN YOU HAVE WON THE INTERNET. Best post ever. If I could give Karma, I would Karma you SO HARD right now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 03, 2011, 11:28:51 PM
I would love ZERO load times, but I wouldn't like to pay an extra $10 for them per game.
See, this is where I get hazy. What are you basing this off of? If it's N64, I already addressed this. It's not even the same thing by a long shot. A $20 cartridge with with 10-20 times less storage is a far cry from a $5 card with similar storage capabilities. Using cards in 2012 when Cafe launches has none of the handicaps that N64 cartridges had. And if no one is using 25GB, that extra space means nothing. Sony and their 1st and 2nd party developers are pushing the size limit and knowingly writing unoptimized code and leaving data uncompressed. Everyone else is fine making games on Xbox 360 without Blu Ray and 99% of time on a single DVD. Square Enix used 2 DVDs for Final Fantasy XIII because they still feel the need to use CG. Same with Mistwalker and Lost Odyssey's 4 Discs. If Cafe is as powerful as rumors suggest, Square Enix will probably be the only company still wasting their time with CG cutscenes. As long as 3rd parties can put theirs games on Cafe and turn a nice profit, we'll see those games. However, that has little to do with the cards vs. discs and everything to do with Nintendo putting the right pieces together. I doubt any 3rd party is telling Nintendo "Blu Ray or GTFO" considering almost all of them have supported DS and are working on 3DS titles. Alternatively, I can see them telling Nintendo that they want more RAM, a faster CPU, a more powerful GPU, a better online service, more buttons on the controller etc. All of them potential dealbreakers because if Nintendo fails at providing any of those things, then 3rd parties can't bring over the same game to Cafe. If Cafe can't offer the same experience or better, Cafe gets a shittier version or nothing at all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 03, 2011, 11:30:44 PM
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I would Karma you SO HARD right now.

That's what she said.

it is May.

Thank you. Finally someone understands. I am so sick and tired of this '/sarcasm' in this thread. It seems that in their old age, too many on this very forum have grown into the warped, frustrated old man who can't see beyond his neighbor's overgrown hedges and have lost sight of what's important. In my heydey, May used to be the holiest month of the gamer's calendar; the month of E3 and the leadup to it was a time of reflection, speculation, tall tales, glorious controller mockups, vision quests, and unbroken unity. What is it now? One or two guys posting rumors and the rest crapping on them as if they were confirmed and acting as if it's the second coming of the Nintendo 64. We are one month and 4 days from the greatest day of the year, the day the Nintendo Hype Train leaves the station at full speed into the future, so is it too much to ask for a little more decorum? Names will be taken, ***es will be kicked, motion-controlled shields will be shattered, and 3D will blow our brains like OBL's... Sure, it may be the last console full of new screwups and subpar technology that only the lowest of nerds will care about... And sure, it may be the last hurrah before Nintendo rides off into the third party sunset, but I tell you -- IT IS NOT THIS DAY. ERE THE SUN RISES.

/sarcasm
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2011, 12:54:04 AM
I would love ZERO load times, but I wouldn't like to pay an extra $10 for them per game.
See, this is where I get hazy. What are you basing this off of? If it's N64, I already addressed this. It's not even the same thing by a long shot. A $20 cartridge with with 10-20 times less storage is a far cry from a $5 card with similar storage capabilities. Using cards in 2012 when Cafe launches has none of the handicaps that N64 cartridges had. And if no one is using 25GB, that extra space means nothing. Sony and their 1st and 2nd party developers are pushing the size limit and knowingly writing unoptimized code and leaving data uncompressed. Everyone else is fine making games on Xbox 360 without Blu Ray and 99% of time on a single DVD. Square Enix used 2 DVDs for Final Fantasy XIII because they still feel the need to use CG. Same with Mistwalker and Lost Odyssey's 4 Discs. If Cafe is as powerful as rumors suggest, Square Enix will probably be the only company still wasting their time with CG cutscenes. As long as 3rd parties can put theirs games on Cafe and turn a nice profit, we'll see those games. However, that has little to do with the cards vs. discs and everything to do with Nintendo putting the right pieces together. I doubt any 3rd party is telling Nintendo "Blu Ray or GTFO" considering almost all of them have supported DS and are working on 3DS titles. Alternatively, I can see them telling Nintendo that they want more RAM, a faster CPU, a more powerful GPU, a better online service, more buttons on the controller etc. All of them potential dealbreakers because if Nintendo fails at providing any of those things, then 3rd parties can't bring over the same game to Cafe. If Cafe can't offer the same experience or better, Cafe gets a shittier version or nothing at all.

I'm basing this off the fact that large flash based cards are still gonna be multiple times the cost of a disc based format and 3rd parties are already "bleeding" money just trying to produce games @ 720p. The extra cost of actually pushing these games to 1080p and optimizing them to run off a cart that would likely cost whatever Nintendo feels they can get away with charging ($5-$10 a cart?) multiplied by 100,000 unit minimum order (just like they used to do back in the day) plus mandatory lead times on re-orders and all the other bullshit that comes along with 3rd parties having abandoned Nintendo when they last used carts leads to decreased 3rd party support and increased cost for everyone down the line which ends up costing me more to play the same games.

Lots of games now fit on 8GB disc because 1) the lead console was X360 & 2) most games are only pushing 720p assets anyway. I would imagine when 1080p games become the standard, the assets are gonna increase in size yet again and now 8GB disc won't be enough for lots of projects.

If you have a cart, cost rise to add more memory and then you have ot multiply that by every needed cart. On a disc you just add a 2nd layer for a few cents more. It adds up really quickly, especially when you start dealing in the 100's of 1000's or even millions of units.

1million disc @ $0.70 = $700k
1million carts @ $5.00 = $5million

there is your HUGE difference

Carts make sense on a handheld because disc use too much power (see PSP). Carts are small and the cost is necessary. To do the same on a console at the prices doesn't make sense to 3rd parties that are already not making any money trying to push the HD envelope. We would all LOVE to go back to carts for many reasons, but none the overwhelming majority of us are not willing to pay the extra cost to play the same game.

Loading times suck, but if data is handled right, they can be minimal and some times almost not noticed. Not worth the extra cost at this point in time with the state that the industry is in at the moment.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 04, 2011, 01:43:26 AM
Since Capcom is showing Nintendo consoles a lot of love why don't they give the Super Wii a remake of both Resident Evil 2 and three as launch titles. This would be another great reason to own the console in my opinion.

As for those who are debating the storage solutions for the Wii 2, check this out:

http://gizmodo.com/#!5497512/the-future-of-storage
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 10:18:30 AM
I remember reading that an N64 cart cost 3rd parties something like $20 vs. a CD at $1. That's not even close to what you're suggesting. The largest N64 cartridge offered 10 times less storage at 20 times the price. And that was at a time when developers were filling entire CDs. No one has filled an entire Blu Ray with actual content. A lot of it is uncompressed data. Just seems like Sony trying to justify Blu Ray than Blu Ray being a superior format.

You can try to argue that 3rd parties would balk at the extra cost but Nintendo's been using cards for 6 and a half years now and no one has complained. Obviously, Cafe games would ship on larger capacity cards. An 10GB card today might cost 3rd parties something like $8 per card, "today" being the operative word because it won't cost that much a year from now. And that's assuming they'd even need that much storage space. They wouldn't order 10GB cards if their game is, for example, sub-5GB thus reducing the price even more.

DS cards cost more than UMDs but that didn't change anything. Wii used regular sized DVDs, that didn't change anything either. It was also cheaper to develop for. There are other factors. Cartridges were certainly a deterrent on N64, but so was its awful hardware architecture. 3rd parties will support hardware they deem worth supporting. That's really the bottomline here. That and Nintendo doesn't even like optical media. Technology has finally caught up to the point where Nintendo can abandon it. For a game console, cards are a superior format. That's why I even brought this up. Nintendo marches to the beat of their own drum. This seems like something Nintendo would do and for once, I actually don't think 3rd parties would scoff at the decision so long as Nintendo provides them with quality hardware which, if the rumors are true, they are... finally. If 3rd parties feel they can make a profit, they'll support anything.
With all things equal if the load times on one platform is non-existent I'm sure people who know would go for that one.
/internet five

And to think I said all those terrible things about you. I take back (some of them).
But we have such common views at times.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 10:19:15 AM
I remember reading that an N64 cart cost 3rd parties something like $20 vs. a CD at $1. That's not even close to what you're suggesting. The largest N64 cartridge offered 10 times less storage at 20 times the price. And that was at a time when developers were filling entire CDs. No one has filled an entire Blu Ray with actual content. A lot of it is uncompressed data. Just seems like Sony trying to justify Blu Ray than Blu Ray being a superior format.

You can try to argue that 3rd parties would balk at the extra cost but Nintendo's been using cards for 6 and a half years now and no one has complained. Obviously, Cafe games would ship on larger capacity cards. An 10GB card today might cost 3rd parties something like $8 per card, "today" being the operative word because it won't cost that much a year from now. And that's assuming they'd even need that much storage space. They wouldn't order 10GB cards if their game is, for example, sub-5GB thus reducing the price even more.

DS cards cost more than UMDs but that didn't change anything. Wii used regular sized DVDs, that didn't change anything either. It was also cheaper to develop for. There are other factors. Cartridges were certainly a deterrent on N64, but so was its awful hardware architecture. 3rd parties will support hardware they deem worth supporting. That's really the bottomline here. That and Nintendo doesn't even like optical media. Technology has finally caught up to the point where Nintendo can abandon it. For a game console, cards are a superior format. That's why I even brought this up. Nintendo marches to the beat of their own drum. This seems like something Nintendo would do and for once, I actually don't think 3rd parties would scoff at the decision so long as Nintendo provides them with quality hardware which, if the rumors are true, they are... finally. If 3rd parties feel they can make a profit, they'll support anything.
With all things equal if the load times on one platform is non-existent I'm sure people who know would go for that one.
/internet five

And to think I said all those terrible things about you. I take back (some of them).
But we have such common views at times.

On a discussion related portion.  How is licensing done with Nintendo is it per unit?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
As far as carts are concerned, that was how Nintendo did it before.

Cost per unit, minimum orders & several month lead times before shipment ready and then again for re-orders with upfront payments.

I think things are far more favorable with a standard optical disc with quicker turnarounds and much shorter lead times

Even though lots of things have changed since 2000 with read/write carts and internet info sharing, I think that even ignoring the cost difference, 90% of 3rd parties would rather keep disc if it meant Nintendo being in charge of carts on consoles again.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 10:36:26 AM
As far as carts are concerned, that was how Nintendo did it before.

Cost per unit, minimum orders & several month lead times before shipment ready and then again for re-orders with upfront payments.

I think things are far more favorable with a standard optical disc with quicker turnarounds and much shorter lead times

Even though lots of things have changed since 2000 with read/write carts and internet info sharing, I think that even ignoring the cost difference, 90% of 3rd parties would rather keep disc if it meant Nintendo being in charge of carts on consoles again.
Doesn't Nintendo own all the tech for the Discs as well because their slightly different and the process would need to be licensed?  Didn't companies start going around Nintendo  in the Cart days and made their own licensed carts?  Not to mention the technology in and of itself was not in the general consumers hands at the time, all hail the Floppy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2011, 10:45:16 AM
I think the only thing different about Nintendo's disc is the way they are read (CAV*) and the file system used.
Other than that it's a standard DVD for Wii and a miniDVD for GC

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_angular_velocity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_angular_velocity)

And I think Panasonic actually owns it... or at least Panny created it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2011, 11:07:21 AM
All points duly noted. However, you keep going back to N64 but that still doesn't change the fact that 3rd parties have been supporting cards on hardware that already exists and thrives today. There's precedence for it working; just as there's precedence for it not working. The difference is that the former is far more recent suggesting that the issues of the latter have, for the most part, been rectified. No one has complained about Nintendo's handling of DS/3DS cards, not in terms of price, lead times or any other ridiculous old-school Nintendo conditions/restrictions. If it was a problem, we would have heard about it ages ago.
I would imagine when 1080p games become the standard, the assets are gonna increase in size yet again and now 8GB disc won't be enough for lots of projects.
And when will that be? 8GB may not be enough when that happens, but the storage of cards is scable and the prices are dropping. As long as 360 is the lead platform, that's really not an issue anyway. Even if Cafe is capable of true 1080p, 360 is the lead platform and games will be release at 720p and upscaled to 1080p if 3rd parties want to put in the effort (chances are most won't). Estimates place Sony and MS launching in 2014. That's 3 years from now; 3 years of 360 being the lead platform, unless Cafe can become the lead platform at some point in that time and it's still not an issue because advances in technology and the passage of time will have dramatically dropped prices of solid state memory. In 3 years, a 16GB card won't be anywhere near $5 (as in lower), chances are a 32GB card will be less than that as well. What, then, is the benefit of discs over cards? The price discrepancy is narrowing with each passing day.
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Carts make sense on a handheld because disc use too much power (see PSP).
True, but your point was that 3rd parties prefer discs over cards because of price. If 3rd parties were so concerned over the price of media, they would have demanded Nintendo employ discs or cut support which clearly did not happen. DS provided a better ecosystem for profitability despite more expensive media. That's the model Nintendo should be following. As long as suporting Cafe is profitable, it will get support, but that depends on far more than its storage medium.
But we have such common views at times.
Just having some fun. Trying to lighten the mood. No hard feelings. :) We all may get into heated debates on these forums but anyone who takes it personally needs to chillax.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 11:41:30 AM
I think the only thing different about Nintendo's disc is the way they are read (CAV*) and the file system used.
Other than that it's a standard DVD for Wii and a miniDVD for GC

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_angular_velocity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_angular_velocity)

And I think Panasonic actually owns it... or at least Panny created it.
If I'm reading that right it halves the Disc space.  So an 8gig game would be 16gig on a Nintendo disc.

I also wonder on the cart cost we are doing on this based on flash as we know it.  Which is the Read/Write style.  What ever cart is there maybe a little Read/Write on it but we are also talking about ROM here which is historically cheaper then the Read/Write alternative. (Like in flash all that life extending writing algorithms wouldn't need to be licensed, etc.)  Because honestly no publisher would send items on a None Read-Only media as its main format.  Of course it would also be encrypted, etc.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 11:42:22 AM
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But we have such common views at times.
Just having some fun. Trying to lighten the mood. No hard feelings. :) We all may get into heated debates on these forums but anyone who takes it personally needs to chillax.
*Pats head* I was too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 04, 2011, 11:46:55 AM
They should offer everything. Want to put your game on an SD card? Go ahead. Would you like to use a disc instead? Why not? Hate physical media and would like to make people download a 40gb game? Be my guest.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2011, 12:01:33 PM
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Carts make sense on a handheld because disc use too much power (see PSP).
True, but your point was that 3rd parties prefer discs over cards because of price. If 3rd parties were so concerned over the price of media, they would have demanded Nintendo employ discs or cut support which clearly did not happen. DS provided a better ecosystem for profitability despite more expensive media. That's the model Nintendo should be following. As long as suporting Cafe is profitable, it will get support, but that depends on far more than its storage medium.
debates on these forums but anyone who takes it personally needs to chillax.

PSP used disc and gamers didn't buy the games. Why didn't they buy the games? I can only guess that it was because the UMD's ate up all the battery life, which lead for the need to bypass the UMD drive, which led to ripping games off the UMD which led to games as torrents which then meant free games to all who had a memstick.

The DS provided a better ecosystem mostly because there was no clear alternative and trust me when I say that 3rd parties propped up the PSP long since past it should have been considered dead. They tried to make an alternative to DS but games simply were not being bough outside of Monster Hunter. In other words, 3rd parties didn't really have a choice but to support the DS with it's record breaking sales in both hardware and software.


If Nintendo can dominate the console industry again and effectively shut out MS & Sony from actually being profitable and/or viable alternatives in that area then sure, Nintendo can do whatever they want, such as using more expensive carts that regardless of how cheap they get will always cost more than a disc.

But you are also forgetting the other thing I mentioned about carts, Nintendo controls them. You have to go to Nintendo for their proprietary carts and Nintendo can price them as they see fit. They control the manufacture and will probably still request high minimum orders & queued up lead times for manufacturing.

I'm not saying that Carts on home consoles are dead, but I don't think we will be going back to them this generation, and probably not the next either unless they find a way to incorporate that holo tech into it for really cheap.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 12:11:39 PM
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Carts make sense on a handheld because disc use too much power (see PSP).
True, but your point was that 3rd parties prefer discs over cards because of price. If 3rd parties were so concerned over the price of media, they would have demanded Nintendo employ discs or cut support which clearly did not happen. DS provided a better ecosystem for profitability despite more expensive media. That's the model Nintendo should be following. As long as suporting Cafe is profitable, it will get support, but that depends on far more than its storage medium.
debates on these forums but anyone who takes it personally needs to chillax.

PSP used disc and gamers didn't buy the games. Why didn't they buy the games? I can only guess that it was because the UMD's ate up all the battery life, which lead for the need to bypass the UMD drive, which led to ripping games off the UMD which led to games as torrents which then meant free games to all who had a memstick.

The DS provided a better ecosystem mostly because there was no clear alternative and trust me when I say that 3rd parties propped up the PSP long since past it should have been considered dead. They tried to make an alternative to DS but games simply were not being bough outside of Monster Hunter. In other words, 3rd parties didn't really have a choice but to support the DS with it's record breaking sales in both hardware and software.


If Nintendo can dominate the console industry again and effectively shut out MS & Sony from actually being profitable and/or viable alternatives in that area then sure, Nintendo can do whatever they want, such as using more expensive carts that regardless of how cheap they get will always cost more than a disc.

But you are also forgetting the other thing I mentioned about carts, Nintendo controls them. You have to go to Nintendo for their proprietary carts and Nintendo can price them as they see fit. They control the manufacture and will probably still request high minimum orders & queued up lead times for manufacturing.

I'm not saying that Carts on home consoles are dead, but I don't think we will be going back to them this generation, and probably not the next either unless they find a way to incorporate that holo tech into it for really cheap.

I'm sort of curious about the durability of Holo-tech.  It seem flexing the disc to much would ruin data inside it without any signs to the user.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2011, 12:20:43 PM
I don't know much about it other than it has many different "layers" based on th angle of the laser and therefore can store alot more info in much smaller spaces. I don't know anything about the durability of the disc or what form of holotech Nintendo would debut for consumer use.

I know that a version of the InPhase tech was a cartridge of some sort but GE has it in disc form just like a DVD. GE's version is supposed to hit commercial market next year and InPhase was in some sort of trouble a few years ago and probably won't have anything hit market for a few more years.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 12:22:44 PM
Cart doesn't sound bad but, there is actually a reason Sci-Fi makes it holo storage things like solid cubes.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2011, 12:28:05 PM
A box that shines lasers on a spinning holocube probably wouldn't fit in my entertainment center very nicely though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 12:28:51 PM
A box that shines lasers on a spinning holocube probably wouldn't fit in my entertainment center very nicely though.
Just put it where your GameCube was. :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 04, 2011, 12:49:53 PM
Regarding carts remember that third parties are lazy and are always looking to cut corners.  And they already have a rocky relationship with Nintendo.  I think it is important that Nintendo not provide them with even the slightest excuse to not support Cafe.  Yeah maybe the increased cost is minimal or that such-and-such amount of space should be good enough.  It doesn't matter because the other guys are still cheaper and allow for more space.  In a perfect world I think carts are the better way to go but Sony and MS are providing an easier way out and third parties are going to take it.  They would use the increased costs of the carts as an excuse to bail.

Nobody wants to go the extra mile for Nintendo, particularly since Nintendo has a reputation for jerking everyone around.  The slightest inconvenience will send them packing.  Nintendo's third party relations are **** largely because they have this arrogant "everyone will support us because we're Nintendo" attitude and carts would reflect that attitude.  Assume NO ONE wants to make Nintendo games and then think about what sort of format Nintendo would have to go with to change their minds.  Carts ain't it.  Not at all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 01:01:02 PM
Regarding carts remember that third parties are lazy and are always looking to cut corners.  And they already have a rocky relationship with Nintendo.  I think it is important that Nintendo not provide them with even the slightest excuse to not support Cafe.  Yeah maybe the increased cost is minimal or that such-and-such amount of space should be good enough.  It doesn't matter because the other guys are still cheaper and allow for more space.  In a perfect world I think carts are the better way to go but Sony and MS are providing an easier way out and third parties are going to take it.  They would use the increased costs of the carts as an excuse to bail.

Nobody wants to go the extra mile for Nintendo, particularly since Nintendo has a reputation for jerking everyone around.  The slightest inconvenience will send them packing.  Nintendo's third party relations are **** largely because they have this arrogant "everyone will support us because we're Nintendo" attitude and carts would reflect that attitude.  Assume NO ONE wants to make Nintendo games and then think about what sort of format Nintendo would have to go with to change their minds.  Carts ain't it.  Not at all.
Honestly being able to use the competitors disc wholesale would be great for third parties.  Print once for all.
Hackers would also love it.
Title: Track Pad in the Cafe Pad?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2011, 01:02:53 PM
Rear Track pad on the Cafe Remote?
http://www.juegosdb.com/juegos/nintendo/nintendo-wii/videojuegos/opinion-project-cafe-wii-2-y-su-posible-nuevo-mando.html (http://www.juegosdb.com/juegos/nintendo/nintendo-wii/videojuegos/opinion-project-cafe-wii-2-y-su-posible-nuevo-mando.html)
It's in spanish and Google Translate makes for a tough read

but they also say that Dice (Battlefield 3) & Blizzard (Starcraft 2) and many others are betting big on Cafe because the potential of that trackpad.

I will call BS on this, but atleast Cafe would also be able to do NGP ports as well.
No such thing as a 3rd party exclusive unless it's on a Nintendo Console is what it seems all these conflicting rumors are trying to point to.

2 analogs, 4 face buttons, 2 shoulder buttons, 2 analog triggers, 6.2" Haptic 3D backlit OLED HD touch screen, rear touch pad, front facing camera, IR lights/sensors, bluetooth, WirelessHD, battery, rumble, gyros/accelerometers, & speaker(s)

all this controller is missing is a kitchen sink, an SD card slot and it's own Holographic Bluray drive with wireless recharging tech and a fleshlight.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on May 04, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
all this controller is missing is a fleshlight.

Now that's a revolution.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 04, 2011, 01:34:48 PM
Okay I figure that there is no way ALL of these ideas are on the controller.  Probably each idea has been considered at some point and the resulting product will merely feature some of them.

And that makes sense since Nintendo did so well with the Wii remote there would be a certain expectation for them to do something innovative with the controller again.  So in R&D that throw every idea they can think of at the wall to see what sticks.  The rumour-mongers pick up on the different ideas and run with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 01:36:28 PM
Though Nintendo is known to throw all things at the wall during R&D.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 04, 2011, 05:25:11 PM
Who is there in the room where Nintendo "throws ideas at the wall to see what sticks" and is leaking all these rumors? It would be worth finding out, because whoever it is is probably a Sony agent who is there to see what Nintendo is brainstorming so they can start ripping it off.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 05:38:29 PM
I think all these rumor leaks are more evidence of Nintendo reaching out to 3rd parties then anything they've said.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2011, 08:37:56 PM
Now there are rumors of a rear trackpad? Cheesus... I'm still not terribly convinced of the point of the rear trackpad on NGP consider it has a touchscreen. I know, I know... so you can have touch controls without interfering with action on the screen so on and so forth. That said, seems redundant on a home console's controller which supposedly has a 6 inch touchscreen. Also, even if Nintendo was planning a reach touchpad, they'd likely remove it because Sony announced it first.
PSP used disc and gamers didn't buy the games. Why didn't they buy the games? I can only guess that it was because the UMD's ate up all the battery life, which lead for the need to bypass the UMD drive, which led to ripping games off the UMD which led to games as torrents which then meant free games to all who had a memstick.
What the? Really? You can do the same thing on DS. PSP is just easier to pirate than DS. There will always be a subset of gamers who pirate games. People pirate games because getting something for free is, in fact, cheaper than paying for it. I know, crazy, right? I can't believe that either. Nice try, though.
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But you are also forgetting the other thing I mentioned about carts, Nintendo controls them. You have to go to Nintendo for their proprietary carts and Nintendo can price them as they see fit. They control the manufacture and will probably still request high minimum orders & queued up lead times for manufacturing.
No, I didn't. And no, they probably wouldn't. (see quote below)
No one has complained about Nintendo's handling of DS/3DS cards, not in terms of price, lead times or any other ridiculous old-school Nintendo conditions/restrictions. If it was a problem, we would have heard about it ages ago.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 04, 2011, 08:51:37 PM
Adrock: On the PSP back touch area.  Using your free fingers to press soft buttons so you don't have to clutter the screen with them would probably be the best way to use it.  Its actually in a way an elegant solution to avoid making a DS and give the extra buttons.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2011, 09:36:13 PM
Adrock: On the PSP back touch area.  Using your free fingers to press soft buttons so you don't have to clutter the screen with them would probably be the best way to use it.  Its actually in a way an elegant solution to avoid making a DS and give the extra buttons.
I know, I know... so you can have touch controls without interfering with action on the screen so on and so forth.
Come on, man.....

I understand what it's meant for, but it still seems extraneous to me. There are so many buttons on NGP. The read trackpad is a solution; 2 screens is still a better one. I prefer 2 smaller screens over 1 large screen. Having an entire touchscreen devoted to secondary functions just feels better than using screen real estate on a single screen to display that info or having a trackpad where you can't see what those functions are unless they're on the screen anyway and if that's the case, why not just the  touchscreen. I don't know if I'm explaining that well. Still, Nintendo seems to be discouraging the touchscreen as an action screen on 3DS which I get since 3D is meant to be the main selling point, but some of the most innovative games on DS used the touchscreen exclusively or almost exclusively. It's just awkward for games to switch screens on 3DS or to hold it sideways like a book for games like Hotel Dusk. Oh well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 04, 2011, 09:43:42 PM
Personally, I like the idea of having a rear touchpad simply so I can use the features of the touchscreen without having to use a stylus or smear my fingerprints all over my nice screen.  I can't say I care much for the proposed ideas like "pinching" objects using fingers on the touchscreen and the touchpad.  I can do without 2 screens, though.  If there's one thing I thought the DS proved over time, it's that the 2nd screen is largely superfluous.  90% of the time, the 2nd screen was just used to show status screens or maps anyway, and I rarely had problems with just pausing the game to access those.  And there weren't enough games that used both screens well to really prove the functionality worthwhile to me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2011, 10:10:48 PM

My main point with carts working on DS is that there is no viable retail alternative. Games don't sell on PSP unless its called Monster Hunter. If you want to sell portable games for more than $0.99 on an iPhone, your only choice is the DS which uses carts. There is no other physical alternatives regardless of how much money 3rd parties throw at PSP and its disc format. You can't continue to ignore that fact.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 04, 2011, 10:43:25 PM
You guys should just make a bet. Neither of you are going to agree.

While I see Nintendo itching to go back to carts, I do not think financially, they will allow themselves to. 3rd Parties or not, it's about Nintendo's bottom line.
Title: GTAV to be revealed @ E3?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2011, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: twitter
supererogatory superannuation
It is my understanding that the new GTA will be unveiled at E3 in some capacity.

He didn't mention Cafe, but it was rumored that Nintendo and R* had talked, and that R* was one of the first to have a Dev kit. Then it was separately rumored that R* was working on GTAV for Cafe.

Super Annutation has been pretty reliable in the past and has no reason to lie now, so I'm just gonna put 2+2 together and hope that means that fanboys will be happy come E3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 04, 2011, 11:11:51 PM
Woooo! Another ChinaTown Wars!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2011, 11:57:59 PM
You can't continue to ignore that fact.
All points duly noted.
Ignoring what? I've acknowledged all of your points. Your point of there being no viable alternatives is NOT the reason why cards work. Cards work because it's a good format for gaming and no one has complained. No one, about anything regarding cards. Even if 3rd parties didn't consider PSP a viable alternative and everyone only begrudgingly supported DS, someone somewhere still would have said, "Cards are bullshit" then explained why. If 3rd parties were so vehemently against the price or Nintendo's policies regarding cards as you've mentioned before, they would have voiced a dissenting opinion. Furthermore, no one has ever said UMDs are a better format for any reason, including price. DS dominated because Nintendo, for once, had the foresight to predict where the market was headed and flat-out made a better system.

And PSP is a viable retail alternative. It only looks like a failure next to DS but then again, almost every piece of gaming hardware looks bad next to DS's sales figures. Despite the rampant piracy, 3rd parties still support PSP with some decent exclusives. PSP has better 3rd party support than the Wii and that's just plain pathetic. 3rd parties certainly thought there was money to be made otherwise they would have stopped supporting it years ago. Again, that's the bottomline. It's not about storage formats. To 3rd parties, the Wii got that right and everything else wrong. The system as a whole has to provide an ecosystem for profitability. That's the incentive. "3rd parties will support hardware they deem worth supporting." 3rd parties supported PSP. Sony released good hardware, Nintendo released better hardware. Both were deemed profitable and were supported accordingly.
You guys should just make a bet. Neither of you are going to agree.
Bet on what? This all started because I called out the 25GB disc rumor and said moving to cards seems like something Nintendo would want to do considering they don't like optical media. It was an observation until BlackNMild2k1 made it into a debate which is fine by me. This is a message board, people talk about things. As far as I'm concerned, it's not malicious. If it bothers you, I don't really know what to tell you. I signed up for this site years ago so I could talk about things with people who are interested in the same things I'm interested in.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 12:35:20 AM
The thing is we both agree that carts would be a great thing for Nintendo to use on another console, we just disagree on why it isn't happening.

it's just that PSP isn't a viable alternative to DS for software sales because software DOES NOT SELL on PSP outside of a few franchises such as Monster Hunter.

3rd parties aren't gonna complain about the only system actually making them money, that they then turn around and use to release console-like PSP games that they hope will finally start selling (60million PSP units out in the wild), but never seem to. PSP is great hardware with shitty software sales. People buy it for gaming, but not games they intend on buying. People buy it for movies, but not movies they are buying on UMD's, people buy it for media playback in general, but not media they are buying from PSN or Qriosity or whatever their music service is.

PSP doesn't have the ecosystem that DS has and that is why carts on the handheld work without complaint. Money is being made and everyone is content, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't jump on an optical with the proper ecosystem should one actually exist. Doesn't mean they would abandon Nintendo's money printer, but they may put favor towards something alternative format if their was one. Good thing is that NGP is using carts too, so that will be one more manufacturer moving towards making the flash format cheaper sooner, and no better company to do that than Sony.

So even though carts are not a viable medium at the moment, doesn't meant that it won't be maybe in the next next gen(Wii3) or the one after that(Wii4). Problem is that it will never be as cheap as the disc alternative and therefore 3rd parties will probably always prefer it to a cart format of same storage size.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 05, 2011, 01:03:00 AM
I see the Wii 2 as the second coming of the SNES and I hope that Nintendo collaborates with third party developers on a scale not seen since the days of the SNES. Perhaps it is wishful thinking, but I hope that SquareEnix reintroduces all of their RPG glory of that console era onto the Wii 2 and Nintendo themeselves reinvigorate their franchises in tune with what they did back in the early 1990s.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 01:25:39 AM
Honestly that would be very cool and I don't see Nintendo limiting it to the touch area but extend it all the surfaces you normal handle.
I don't believe it because that would mean Nintendo is throwing every trick at this controller...tricks that no other company has been working on or really developed a consumer product.  The expense is just too high for a consumer.

However, IF I am wrong...then I believe this would mostly be used to feel buttons on a screen and that is all.  You can no simulate real feelings and textures with a touchscreen.  And if you could and Nintendo had the technology first...they shouldn't be making a game system, but a freaking tablet with the device because it would revolutionize every industry. 

Here is a very interesting video from a Toshiba showing off Haptic technology that should be ready for market. (video is from May 2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXITjLurof0

Key things of interest:
-Feel texture as if touching actual object
-Does not need to be limited to the screen
It can be wrapped around the entire controller to provide a sensation to all of your hand, not just the screen.

That sounds like something that could not only get everyone taking, but get everyone to want to try out the Wii2 for themselves because you have to Feel it to believe it.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on May 05, 2011, 04:55:04 AM
Quote from: twitter
supererogatory superannuation
It is my understanding that the new GTA will be unveiled at E3 in some capacity.

He didn't mention Cafe, but it was rumored that Nintendo and R* had talked, and that R* was one of the first to have a Dev kit. Then it was separately rumored that R* was working on GTAV for Cafe.

Super Annutation has been pretty reliable in the past and has no reason to lie now, so I'm just gonna put 2+2 together and hope that means that fanboys will be happy come E3.

Guh, **** GTA. Give me another Red Dead game.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2011, 06:11:59 AM
I see the Wii 2 as the second coming of the SNES and I hope that Nintendo collaborates with third party developers on a scale not seen since the days of the SNES. Perhaps it is wishful thinking, but I hope that SquareEnix reintroduces all of their RPG glory of that console era onto the Wii 2 and Nintendo themeselves reinvigorate their franchises in tune with what they did back in the early 1990s.

I could swear you said this same exact thing about 20,000 times before. Do you ever get tired of repeating yourself?
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Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2011, 07:22:48 AM
3rd parties aren't gonna complain about the only system actually making them money
Well, that's just silliness. 3rd parties can criticize something and still support it. They have and will continue to do so. Nintendo is still criticized for Friend Codes which started on DS. Sony was criticized for putting only one analog nub.  3rd parties still published games on DS and PSP, as opposed to neither. And seriously, 3rd parties are making money on PSP games. That's why they still release PSP games. They wouldn't continue doing that if they expected to lose money. They just make more money on DS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 10:22:16 AM
DS success funds PSP failures. That's the way it's been for a long time.
Just like WIi shovelware has been funding AAA budget HD games.

Everyone was complaining about friend codes, not just 3rd parties. Besides Nintendo's online is almost not functional because of them, so there is plenty reason to complain about it.
Dual analog on PSP was complained about because it was preventing them from doing straight PS2 to PSP ports and now they had to actually put effort into reworking controls for PSP games.

The difference between those 2 things and the use of carts on the DS is that either of those things could change with an update. You can't just change the format without releasing an entirely new platform (see PSPgo, failed because they took away retail games from it trying to get away from battery draining and failed as a format UMD's). PSP has proved that spinning disc don't work on a portable and that in order to have a portable product that won't die on you after 2hrs, is to use a flash based format for size and energy requirements. The use of carts is necessary on handhelds therefore is not something you can effectively complain about. Cost of carts is the cost of doing business. Your only other viable option is DD, which means that you either hope PSPgo starts succeeding or you sell games for $2.99 on iPhone and Android.

On PSP games support:
The only place where PSP games are selling is Japan. PSP is, for the most part, DEAD in the U.S. & Europe. So I don't know why PSP continues to get more games than Wii or DS, I can only guess that Sony is offering some sort of incentive, but even if they aren't really losing money, they surely aren't making any either
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2011, 10:39:17 AM
I understand if parents don't want their kids playing with strangers online, but that's something parents need to take care of themselves. Friend codes did the work for parents who were too lazy to keep an eye on things themselves, but while that was helpful to them it was harmful and annoying to everyone else. When you play a game online it should be possible to play with random people that you don't know, because your friends may not have the games you want to play, and even if they do it isn't likely they would always be online when you want them to be so being able to play with random strangers is an essential feature.

That said, the parental controls should be there and I have no problem with that. But they should only be an option and shouldn't be mandatory.
Title: $350+ Wii2 starts production in October
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 10:52:48 AM
$350+ Wii2 production (by Hon Hai) to start in Oct. coming in 2012
http://fudzilla.com/notebooks/item/22633-wii2-to-be-built-by-hon-hai (http://fudzilla.com/notebooks/item/22633-wii2-to-be-built-by-hon-hai)
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We have been hearing this rumor for about two weeks now, but we had difficultly verifying it until now. The Taiwan Economic News has confirmed that Hon Hai Precision Industry Co reportedly has an exclusive contract to build the Wii2 for Nintendo.

Our sources are also saying that Hon Hai will be able to start delivering the first units to Nintendo in October, but it is unclear what the run rate will be once the building is on the way. Whispers suggest that Nintendo will start ramping up production for an expected launch in North America slated for next year. Despite some suggesting a holiday launch for Nintendo yet this year, we just don’t hear it that way.

With the news from Taiwan comes word that the MSRP of the Wii2 will be an estimated $350 to $450. This number is a bit shocking for Nintendo, but actually not unexpected given the hardware that the Wii2 will be using. While others continue to report that the Wii2 will not be HD, the information we have still indicates that the console will use a modified GPU from the ATI R700 family and it will support 1080 HD.

Wii2 production (by Hon Hai) to start in Oct. & a $350 - $450 price point with a 2012 release

This is the 2nd time we've heard the rumor about system being produced starting in October. This is also the second time we've heard a price point of $350+.

At that price this system better blow the screen off my 720p TV forcing me to go buy a 1080p set to replace it because 720p just couldn't handle it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2011, 11:16:12 AM
$450 is steep. I think I would have to wait on it if its priced that high. But on the bright side, at least it isn't $600 like the PS3 was when it launched. The PS3 is now $299, so I'm sure the Wii 2 will go down eventually as well.
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Post by: Ceric on May 05, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
$350+ Wii2 production (by Hon Hai) to start in Oct. coming in 2012
http://fudzilla.com/notebooks/item/22633-wii2-to-be-built-by-hon-hai (http://fudzilla.com/notebooks/item/22633-wii2-to-be-built-by-hon-hai)
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We have been hearing this rumor for about two weeks now, but we had difficultly verifying it until now. The Taiwan Economic News has confirmed that Hon Hai Precision Industry Co reportedly has an exclusive contract to build the Wii2 for Nintendo.


Our sources are also saying that Hon Hai will be able to start delivering the first units to Nintendo in October, but it is unclear what the run rate will be once the building is on the way. Whispers suggest that Nintendo will start ramping up production for an expected launch in North America slated for next year. Despite some suggesting a holiday launch for Nintendo yet this year, we just don’t hear it that way.

With the news from Taiwan comes word that the MSRP of the Wii2 will be an estimated $350 to $450. This number is a bit shocking for Nintendo, but actually not unexpected given the hardware that the Wii2 will be using. While others continue to report that the Wii2 will not be HD, the information we have still indicates that the console will use a modified GPU from the ATI R700 family and it will support 1080 HD.

Wii2 production (by Hon Hai) to start in Oct. & a $350 - $450 price point with a 2012 release

This is the 2nd time we've heard the rumor about system being produced starting in October. This is also the second time we've heard a price point of $350+.

At that price this system better blow the screen off my 720p TV forcing me to go buy a 1080p set to replace it because 720p just couldn't handle it.
Agree.  $350-$450 is still a price point I expect a Haus of a system.  I won't take just better than a PS3.
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 11:24:13 AM
Uh thanks for quoting that for us, Ceric. I hadn't seen it the first time. EDIT: ah, you edited it :)

BnM, 720p and 1080p aren't much different from each other. You'd be hard press to tell them apart if shown side by side. It does look better, but I wouldn't go out and buy a new TV for it.

What I really hope Nintendo deals with is 'teh jaggies'. Even the highest end games like Crysis 2 still have jaggies, which is disappointing. I also hope they automatically upscale Wii games. Unless something amazing stands out during launch, I could have fun simply replaying all my favorite games in 1080p glory.
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Post by: Ceric on May 05, 2011, 11:30:49 AM
Wind Waker 1080P with 70% less water and 25% more fighting at Launch :D

@Unagi: It was their in the original but the screwy way the site insist on some timing placing your cursor when you quote someone got me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
No, keep the water. Despite all the hate, I loved it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2011, 11:43:02 AM
The water was fine. There just needed to be more interesting things on and in it. More and bigger islands, more ships, and more giant sea monsters.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
This is the 2nd time we've heard the rumor about system being produced starting in October. This is also the second time we've heard a price point of $350+.

At that price this system better blow the screen off my 720p TV forcing me to go buy a 1080p set to replace it because 720p just couldn't handle it.


BnM, 720p and 1080p aren't much different from each other. You'd be hard press to tell them apart if shown side by side. It does look better, but I wouldn't go out and buy a new TV for it.

I was making a joke on how powerful the system would need to be to justify a $450 price tag. Not really looking to debate the difference between 720p & 1080p.
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 11:48:31 AM
I agree with everything you said, specifically about bigger islands, but I kinda liked how empty the ocean was. It was peaceful like the real ocean.  In real life, when you go sailing, the last thing you want to see are other ships.
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Post by: Ceric on May 05, 2011, 11:50:44 AM
No, keep the water. Despite all the hate, I loved it.
Oh fine.
The water was fine. There just needed to be more interesting things on and in it. More and bigger islands, more ships, and more giant sea monsters.
Fine but, I want more excuses to use the combat system.  I itched a lot to just go and kill stuff in that game but I had a hard time finding a place local to where I was to do it.
I agree with everything you said, specifically about bigger islands, but I kinda liked how empty the ocean was. It was peaceful like the real ocean.  In real life, when you go sailing, the last thing you want to see are other ships.
I don't mind the ocean being empty but as I said above I really really wanted to use the combat more and felt punished by being in the boat soooo long.
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 11:53:33 AM
Ok...let's drop it before it gets out of hand haha :)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 12:46:05 PM
Update to the last rumor

Foxconn is a subsidiary of Hon Hai
Quote from: Wikipedia
Hon Hai Precision Industry Co Ltd was founded in 1974 as a manufacturer of electrical components (notably electrical connectors for computer components[5] -- which found use in the Atari 2600,[7] etc.) by Terry Gou.[5] Foxconn was first a trade name of Hon Hai before becoming a subsidiary of the company in 2000.[5]

And if you remember the rumor from IGN(?), they said that production would start in October 2011 and it's being produced by Foxconn.
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 01:05:50 PM
Foxconn is the same place that had record suicide numbers, correct?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 01:11:31 PM
that would be the place.

China's Golden Gate Bridge?
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 01:21:35 PM
I wonder why they would partner with that company again. Nintendo themselves had to launch an investigation to find out the cause of all the deaths. The company is political poison. It is very odd Nintendo would use them again.

Is anyone an IE (industrial engineer)? How long does it take to customize a factory platform in order to pump out the desired product? And is it flexible enough to change things along the way?

I ask because I wonder if Nintendo will have time to make changes to Cafe after the reception at E3, either aesthetically, internally or both.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
I wonder why they would partner with that company again. Nintendo themselves had to launch an investigation to find out the cause of all the deaths. The company is political poison. It is very odd Nintendo would use them again.

Probably because they are cheap and Nintendo may need to do anything they can to bring costs down.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 05, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
Are you guys asking for a Wind Waker-esque new Zelda game or literally a Wind Waker remake?  Because paying $450 for a new system to play the same game you already played on the Gamecube is pretty ridiculous.

At $450 this isn't an impulse buy for me.  They have to have a clear killer app that I MUST own.  And the system has to really knock my socks off and not just cost an arm and a leg because of a bunch of controller gimmicks.  I have to look at a game and be wowed by the visuals.

GTA V also won't sell me for one simple reason - it will likely also be on the PS3 which I already own.  Nintendo needs good third party support but those games alone won't sell Super Wii's to any core gamers that already have a PS3 or X360 if the game is multiplatform.  The third party support needs to be there but the first party titles have to sell the system.  Luckily Nintendo is good at first party games but I sure won't buy this for Steel Diver HD or anything like that.
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 01:50:38 PM
Ian: I didn't want a remake. I am hoping the Cafe will upscale Wii games. After all, playing Super Mario Galaxy in 1080p sounds great.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 01:52:40 PM
You may think you would prefer the PS3 version of the multi-plat game, but what if GTAV (for example) was inspired by & designed for the Cafe and then down ported to PS360?

The PS360 version could be missing some very fun features, so I think you should reserve judgement on what you will or won't do until after Cafe is even revealed.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 05, 2011, 02:12:48 PM
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  You may think you would prefer the PS3 version of the multi-plat game, but what if GTAV (for example) was inspired by & designed for the Cafe and then down ported to PS360?

The PS360 version could be missing some very fun features, so I think you should reserve judgement on what you will or won't do until after Cafe is even revealed.

Yeah but would be so much better as to justify the purchase of a whole new system?  I mean if I own both systems I'm going to always go with the better version of the game.  But I wouldn't buy a whole system for it.  I didn't buy a Wii for Twilight Princess because I already owned a Gamecube and the new controls of the Wii version were not sufficient to get me to buy a new system (though in TP's case I personally would prefer the Cube controls anyway).
 
It isn't about what version I would prefer but rather if the Cafe version is enough to justify a Cafe purchase.  Now if I'm already buying Cafe for some awesome Nintendo title then it's all good.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2011, 02:42:15 PM
The 3DS launch lineup was disappointing, wasn't it? The Cafe had better do much better than that, especially if it costs as much as the rumors suggest it will. I think something like a Wii Sports type deal bundled with the console is a given. That strategy was extremely successful for the Wii, so I don't see why Nintendo would just abandon it. Wii Sports was a killer app to millions, and yet in actuality the production costs of it had to be extremely low as the game lacks both graphics and depth.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 02:44:56 PM
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  You may think you would prefer the PS3 version of the multi-plat game, but what if GTAV (for example) was inspired by & designed for the Cafe and then down ported to PS360?

The PS360 version could be missing some very fun features, so I think you should reserve judgement on what you will or won't do until after Cafe is even revealed.

Yeah but would be so much better as to justify the purchase of a whole new system?  I mean if I own both systems I'm going to always go with the better version of the game.  But I wouldn't buy a whole system for it.  I didn't buy a Wii for Twilight Princess because I already owned a Gamecube and the new controls of the Wii version were not sufficient to get me to buy a new system (though in TP's case I personally would prefer the Cube controls anyway).
 
It isn't about what version I would prefer but rather if the Cafe version is enough to justify a Cafe purchase.  Now if I'm already buying Cafe for some awesome Nintendo title then it's all good.

You already know that they are coming. GTA could just be the first of many 3rd party titles to help you make that purchase sooner rather than later.
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 02:47:30 PM
I actually think the production costs of Wii Sports was pretty standard simply because of all the R&D and testing that went into making, what I'm sure at first were demos, games. If you only consider the process of transforming the demos into games, then yes you maybe right, but I wouldn't consider that accurate.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 05, 2011, 03:10:31 PM
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You already know that they are coming. GTA could just be the first of many 3rd party titles to help you make that purchase sooner rather than later.

Yeah I guess the steps for Nintendo to get a purchase out of me would be:
 
1. Show me a system that appeals to core gamers.
2. Demonstrate strong third party support.
3. Release a first party game that I must play and would feel deprived to go without it.
 
I'll find out about steps 1 and hopefully 3 at E3.  Step 2 will be the hardest.  It could be obvious at launch but it probably would take a good year or so for me to feel comfortable.
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Post by: Ceric on May 05, 2011, 03:18:15 PM
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You already know that they are coming. GTA could just be the first of many 3rd party titles to help you make that purchase sooner rather than later.

Yeah I guess the steps for Nintendo to get a purchase out of me would be:
 
1. Show me a system that appeals to core gamers.
2. Demonstrate strong third party support.
3. Release a first party game that I must play and would feel deprived to go without it.
 
I'll find out about steps 1 and hopefully 3 at E3.  Step 2 will be the hardest.  It could be obvious at launch but it probably would take a good year or so for me to feel comfortable.
If they nail 1 and 3 with an iffy 2 would your really wait a year?
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 03:19:34 PM
You sound like if Nintendo put out a bowl of milk, you would be that timid cat underneath the deck, unsure if it's a trap.

My needs are much simpler. All Nintendo has to do is demonstrate an incentive, other than HD, that qualifies the price of admission. Whether that's a touchscreen controller, or more interestingly, a console hub with the ability to stream games -- the concept has to be proven.

So pretty much by E3, I'll know if I'll buy it or not.
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Post by: Ceric on May 05, 2011, 03:31:59 PM
I probably will for one Reason: the SNES.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 05, 2011, 04:13:51 PM
I do not get the $350 to $450 price tag for the Wii 2 if it is going to use the same technology as the 360. It would seem to me as though the system should be $299.99 at the most and that is most I will want to pay for a new HD system.
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Post by: broodwars on May 05, 2011, 04:28:55 PM
I do not get the $350 to $450 price tag for the Wii 2 if it is going to use the same technology as the 360. It would seem to me as though the system should be $299.99 at the most and that is most I will want to pay for a new HD system.

This is the company that is currently overcharging at least $50 on the 3DS, so it's more than feasible to me that Nintendo would charge $350-$450 for an Xbox 360 with a new controller gimmick.

For all our sakes, I hope that the press just bags on the new Nintendo hardware at E3 this year.  Everyone going nuts over the 3DS last E3 is what led to Nintendo upping the cost.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2011, 04:48:57 PM
I do not get the $350 to $450 price tag for the Wii 2 if it is going to use the same technology as the 360.

Cafe will be a Behemoth which will be more powerful than a PS3 and 360 combined.
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Post by: Stogi on May 05, 2011, 04:59:14 PM
I do not get the $350 to $450 price tag for the Wii 2 if it is going to use the same technology as the 360. It would seem to me as though the system should be $299.99 at the most and that is most I will want to pay for a new HD system.

This is the company that is currently overcharging at least $50 on the 3DS, so it's more than feasible to me that Nintendo would charge $350-$450 for an Xbox 360 with a new controller gimmick.

For all our sakes, I hope that the press just bags on the new Nintendo hardware at E3 this year.  Everyone going nuts over the 3DS last E3 is what led to Nintendo upping the cost.

I wouldn't say they are overcharging us, they just made the mistake of telling us their overcharging us ;).
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 05, 2011, 05:14:13 PM
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If they nail 1 and 3 with an iffy 2 would your really wait a year?

I waited a year for the DS and about six months for a Wii.  It is no big deal for me to wait and see.
 
This gen Nintendo's console was so inadequate to my needs that I had to buy another console from a competing company.  This has never happened.  Prior to that any non-Nintendo console I owned was purchased at the end of the generation when the system was cheap so I could grab a couple of big exclusives I missed out on.  This is the only time I felt I had to "switch" consoles mid-generation.  So they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt from me.  They lost my loyality so they have to earn it back.  I think that is totally fair.  If they continue to have **** third party support it would make more sense for the Nintendo console to be the one I get at the end of the generation to grab a couple of exclusives I missed out on.
 
Nintendo will make a profit on the console itself.  If it is $450 we will not be getting $450 worth of cutting edge technology.  Still I bet one could make a pretty awesome console that launches in 2012 with a break even price of $350 so Nintendo could do that and still pocket $100.  Though their uber controller could make up a huge chunk of the costs but I think having controllers in that high of a price range would be a stupid idea because everyone buys multiple controllers.  So to get a Cafe with an extra controller it will cost $550?  That's ridiculous.
 
Though there are rumours that the screen controller will be the "main" one but for multiplayer the other players will play lesser controllers or potentially just use Wii remotes.  This removes the expense of purchasing multiple screen controllers.  So either that is the method Nintendo is going with or their screen controllers are not nearly as advanced as the rumours indicate and would not end up taking a big chunk of the $450 cost.  Or Nintendo has gone crazy is pulling a PS3 with overpriced products.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 06:09:44 PM
I do not get the $350 to $450 price tag for the Wii 2 if it is going to use the same technology as the 360. It would seem to me as though the system should be $299.99 at the most and that is most I will want to pay for a new HD system.

If this system uses the rumored R700 and a better TriCore cpu, it will **** all over the 360 and then use its tears in a bidet to clean it's ass. There is no way Nintendo can release 360clone in 2012 and charge more than $249 regardless of how much the controller cost. The 360 will be $149 standard price by the time this thing comes out.
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Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2011, 06:25:54 PM
DS success funds PSP failures. That's the way it's been for a long time.
Just like WIi shovelware has been funding AAA budget HD games.
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So I don't know why PSP continues to get more games than Wii or DS, I can only guess that Sony is offering some sort of incentive, but even if they aren't really losing money, they surely aren't making any either
You have no evidence for any of this. It's just poorly supported conjecture on your part. In fact, looking back, most of your points are. (that sounds worse than I mean it to)

See, you don't have to explain to me why anyone complained about Friend Codes or a single analog nub on DS and PSP respectively. I know why people complained about them. The point is that people complained yet supported the hardware anyway and neither of those things were related to the storage medium. So, tell me, why would 3rd parties complain about those things and not Nintendo imposing strict N64-esque cartridge policies on DS/3DS cards? Hint: there are no such policies currently in place. We live in the internet age. If Nintendo was jerking 3rd parties around like the old days, we would have heard about it. They'd still support the hardware, but they'd make their voices heard by leaking it to IGN or Kotaku because news outlets love juicy stories. Your fears that Nintendo will suddenly revert to Evil-Empire-Darth-Yamauchi-Run-Nintendo are baseless.

I think we're done here. I never said Nintendo would use cards; rather I said it seems like something they would do considering their displeasure with optical media. Do I really think they'll do it? I'm sure it's been tested in Kyoto. I'm leaning on them not switching to cards even though it totally fits their company culture. Nintendo has a habit of embodying "I play by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own."
For all our sakes, I hope that the press just bags on the new Nintendo hardware at E3 this year.  Everyone going nuts over the 3DS last E3 is what led to Nintendo upping the cost.
I don't know. Nintendo just said 3DS isn't selling as well as they expected. That was their own fault. They overcharged, like you said, and to top it off, their launch line-up was pretty unspectacular. I know they apparently were trying to help 3rd parties which was awful nice of them, but really, when the best 3rd party game on 3DS is a port of a game that came out last year on home consoles, it's hard to justify that choice. In a perfect world, Nintendo will learn from its arrogance, hopefully sooner rather than later, and charge fairly for Cafe. They better. 3DS will recover; Ocarina of Time will see to that, but Nintendo doesn't have the luxury of making these kinds of mistakes in the home console market.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2011, 07:38:45 PM
The problem with #2 on Ian's list is that Nintendo has no direct control over 3rd parties. They can create incentives, but that's all they can do. I would like the 3rd party support to be there as much as he does or anyone does, but I won't hold it against them if it isn't there because time and time again the 3rd parties have shown that they will bend over backwards and go out of their way to NOT support Nintendo systems. This isn't Nintendo's fault (or at least not entirely), so I don't think its fair to blame them for that.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 05, 2011, 07:56:05 PM
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The problem with #2 on Ian's list is that Nintendo has no direct control over 3rd parties.

It isn't exactly fair but that has been my beef with the last THREE Nintendo consoles.  Three generations and things still have not improved?  Sorry, I just don't feel like putting up with that ever again.  They've had 15 years to figure out how to solve this problem and frankly I don't feel they've ever put even the slightest effort into addressing it.
 
But then I'm confident that if Cafe provides no stupid restrictions that would prohibit multiplatform development that the third party support will improve to acceptable levels.  I think third parties want to put their games on ever platform they can and ignored the Wii entirely because Nintendo released a refurbished Gamecube.  If that sort of thing is not an issue next gen, and it shouldn't be, then things should be fine.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 05, 2011, 08:15:37 PM
As a multi-console owner, I won't be satisfied with Café just receiving the same games as the other consoles. I want third party exclusives, which Café won't get without moneyhats (which Nintendo won't do) or some kind of significant difference in hardware. Say what you will about the Wii's third party support, but it got a lot of interesting (at least in concept) titles because of the way Nintendo built it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2011, 08:28:10 PM
I think third parties want to put their games on ever platform they can and ignored the Wii entirely because Nintendo released a refurbished Gamecube.  If that sort of thing is not an issue next gen, and it shouldn't be, then things should be fine.
Agreed for the most part. If 3rd parties could have ported from 360 to Wii, we would have been given most if not all of those games simply because of Nintendo's position in the market.

If Cafe is significantly more powerful than the current generation's HD consoles, we should be looking at straight ports of those games which don't really take advantage of the console's extra power, but I'd take those games anyway. Even though I own a PS3 and would have access to those games anyway, if I owned Cafe, I'd probably get the Cafe version simply because the performance of those games will ultimately decide future support. Eventually, 3rd parties would start developing Cafe specific games that take advantage of the hardware and innovative features.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 05, 2011, 09:32:36 PM
Mass Effect 3 has been dalyed until the first quarter of 2012, so could it be a Wii 2 launch title? If so, I will take two of those games. With this game and the nexy GTA under its belt it could be a real badass of a console.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212 (http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 05, 2011, 09:49:20 PM
Mass Effect 3 has been dalyed until the first quarter of 2012, so could it be a Wii 2 launch title? If so, I will take two of those games. With this game and the nexy GTA under its belt it could be a real badass of a console.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212 (http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212)

There's not a chance in Hell of Mass Effect 3 coming to the Wii 2. There's just no point if you don't have experience with Mass Effects 1 or 2, and if you're strictly a Nintendo owner you haven't.  And Microsoft owns the rights to Mass Effect 1, so that will never come to a Nintendo console even as part of a collection.  And by the time the Wii 2 and Mass Effect 3 come out, Mass Effect 2 will be too old to be financially viable to port.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2011, 09:54:19 PM
Mass Effect 3 has been dalyed until the first quarter of 2012, so could it be a Wii 2 launch title? If so, I will take two of those games. With this game and the nexy GTA under its belt it could be a real badass of a console.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212 (http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212)

There's not a chance in Hell of Mass Effect 3 coming to the Wii 2. There's just no point if you don't have experience with Mass Effects 1 or 2, and if you're strictly a Nintendo owner you haven't.  And Microsoft owns the rights to Mass Effect 1, so that will never come to a Nintendo console even as part of a collection.  And by the time the Wii 2 and Mass Effect 3 come out, Mass Effect 2 will be too old to be financially viable to port.

That hasn't stopped Mass Effect 2 & 3 from coming to the PS3. Mass Effect 1 has not and likely will never come to PS3, but the others have/will. Why can't that happen with Cafe as well? Remember, Mass Effect 2 didn't come to PS3 until a FULL YEAR after its 360/PC debut.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 05, 2011, 10:02:04 PM
And most people would tell you that there's no point in starting with Mass Effect 2 on the PS3 either. And they're right. The only way to play Mass Effect is all three of them on the same system, with the same save file carried over.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 05, 2011, 10:28:51 PM
Mass Effect 3 has been dalyed until the first quarter of 2012, so could it be a Wii 2 launch title? If so, I will take two of those games. With this game and the nexy GTA under its belt it could be a real badass of a console.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212 (http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212)

There's not a chance in Hell of Mass Effect 3 coming to the Wii 2. There's just no point if you don't have experience with Mass Effects 1 or 2, and if you're strictly a Nintendo owner you haven't.  And Microsoft owns the rights to Mass Effect 1, so that will never come to a Nintendo console even as part of a collection.  And by the time the Wii 2 and Mass Effect 3 come out, Mass Effect 2 will be too old to be financially viable to port.

That hasn't stopped Mass Effect 2 & 3 from coming to the PS3. Mass Effect 1 has not and likely will never come to PS3, but the others have/will. Why can't that happen with Cafe as well? Remember, Mass Effect 2 didn't come to PS3 until a FULL YEAR after its 360/PC debut.

Mass Effect 2 was brought over, though, within a year of the 360 version's release.  By the time the Wii 2 rolls around, Mass Effect 2 will be at least 2 if not 3 years old.  Anyone who cares about that game will have owned it at least once if not twice by that point.  And Mass Effect 3 is releasing on the PS3 day and date with the 360 version, something that would not happen on the Wii 2 and there wouldn't be any point to it anyway since the Wii 2 would likely not have Mass Effect 2.

Besides, Insanolord is quite correct.  I owned the 360 and PS3 versions of Mass Effect 2, and I reviewed both of them in our Reader Reviews thread.  The PS3 version is a much emptier experience compared to its original incarnation, partially due to the loss of Mass Effect 1 import data and partially due to spectacularly bad coding leading to crashes and massive clipping.  There is only one "correct" way to play the Mass Effect series, and it's the entire series on 360 or PC so you can have all the import data.  And given how much you know I love playing on PS3, that should give you some indication how inferior the experience is on PS3.  I don't even want to imagine entering the franchise on Wii 2 with the 3rd game and no Import data.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 05, 2011, 10:34:20 PM
Mass Effect 3 has been dalyed until the first quarter of 2012, so could it be a Wii 2 launch title? If so, I will take two of those games. With this game and the nexy GTA under its belt it could be a real badass of a console.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212 (http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-release-delayed-212)

There's not a chance in Hell of Mass Effect 3 coming to the Wii 2. There's just no point if you don't have experience with Mass Effects 1 or 2, and if you're strictly a Nintendo owner you haven't.  And Microsoft owns the rights to Mass Effect 1, so that will never come to a Nintendo console even as part of a collection.  And by the time the Wii 2 and Mass Effect 3 come out, Mass Effect 2 will be too old to be financially viable to port.

You could say the same thing about what ever game Rockstar might be developing for the Wii 2, which very well could be the next GTA game. Keep in mind that the Wii is the only current generation system that I own right now, so one reason that I am looking forward to the Wii 2 is that I can finally own an HD system and a Nintendo system at the same time. i would much rather give my money to a third party collaborating with Nintendo at this point than Sony or Microsoft because I have grown fond of both Nintendo's development style and that of the developers on their system (a la Monster Hunter 3, NHM 2, etc).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 05, 2011, 10:37:52 PM

There's not a chance in Hell of Mass Effect 3 coming to the Wii 2. There's just no point if you don't have experience with Mass Effects 1 or 2, and if you're strictly a Nintendo owner you haven't.  And Microsoft owns the rights to Mass Effect 1, so that will never come to a Nintendo console even as part of a collection.  And by the time the Wii 2 and Mass Effect 3 come out, Mass Effect 2 will be too old to be financially viable to port.

You could say the same thing about what ever game Rockstar might be developing for the Wii 2, which very well could be the next GTA game.

No, I can't since not only do we not know what Rockstar is working on, but it's not likely to be a port of a game with an established continuity.  It's probably a port of L.A. Noire or something fairly standalone, not a port of an old game (or a port of a NEW game at the END of a continuity) where it is highly recommended that you play the previous games in the series to get the full impact of the story and import your own personal data.

That doesn't mean the Wii 2 can't see a NEW game in the Mass Effect series that tells a different story (Shepard's story will be told in ME 1-3).  I just don't think there's a chance at all in any of the Shepard games coming to the Wii 2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2011, 10:42:03 PM
With 25GB of storage, BioWare could fit all 3 on a single Blu-Ray disc and release it as Mass Effect Trilogy......... Sorry.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 05, 2011, 10:47:28 PM
With 25GB of storage, BioWare could fit all 3 on a single Blu-Ray disc and release it as Mass Effect Trilogy......... Sorry.

Nintendo could satisfy me solely on the porting of third party HD titles until the original titles for the Wii 2 are available for purchase. As silly as this sounds, I am not going to waste my money on the current HD consoles because I prefer to save my money for the next system from Nintendo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 10:49:40 PM
So, tell me, why would 3rd parties complain about those things and not Nintendo imposing strict N64-esque cartridge policies on DS/3DS cards? Hint: there are no such policies currently in place. We live in the internet age. If Nintendo was jerking 3rd parties around like the old days, we would have heard about it. They'd still support the hardware, but they'd make their voices heard by leaking it to IGN or Kotaku because news outlets love juicy stories. Your fears that Nintendo will suddenly revert to Evil-Empire-Darth-Yamauchi-Run-Nintendo are baseless.

I think we're done here. I never said Nintendo would use cards; rather I said it seems like something they would do considering their displeasure with optical media. Do I really think they'll do it? I'm sure it's been tested in Kyoto. I'm leaning on them not switching to cards even though it totally fits their company culture. Nintendo has a habit of embodying "I play by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own."

Ummm.... I never said that they would switch to N64-like iron fisted policies. my whole argument was that carts will always be more expensive (especially if you try to match the GB's) and 3rd parties will always prefer optical formats if available because of it.

It cost less to press a game on a Bluray disc than it does to print a DS cartridge. That may always be the case as BRD's are constantly getting cheaper and faster and therefore 3rd parties will likely always favor the optical disc over a cartridge of the same size.

Now we are done here.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 05, 2011, 10:51:47 PM
With 25GB of storage, BioWare could fit all 3 on a single Blu-Ray disc and release it as Mass Effect Trilogy......... Sorry.

No, they can't because of Microsoft's publishing rights to Mass Effect 1.  Besides, even if that wasn't an issue, that's a pretty tight fit on a 25 GB disc when you factor in the DLC (and projected DLC for #3).  And even if that wasn't an issue, anyone who cares about these games will already have them.  There would be little money to gain from Nintendo's casual crowd, who wouldn't buy the collection anyway.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 05, 2011, 10:55:39 PM
With 25GB of storage, BioWare could fit all 3 on a single Blu-Ray disc and release it as Mass Effect Trilogy......... Sorry.

Nintendo could satisfy me solely on the porting of third party HD titles until the original titles for the Wii 2 are available for purchase. As silly as this sounds, I am not going to waste my money on the current HD consoles because I prefer to save my money for the next system from Nintendo.

That is why you fail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI).  You can pick up a 360 and many of these games you pine for for pretty cheap these days.  I can understand if you have monetary problems and want to save for the next Nintendo console, but you shouldn't be wishing for old games on your new console just because you don't want to bother picking up a non-Nintendo console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2011, 11:02:58 PM
Nintendo could satisfy me solely on the porting of third party HD titles until the original titles for the Wii 2 are available for purchase. As silly as this sounds, I am not going to waste my money on the current HD consoles because I prefer to save my money for the next system from Nintendo.
It's not really a waste of money if you get something out of it.
No, they can't because of Microsoft's publishing rights to Mass Effect 1.  Besides, even if that wasn't an issue, that's a pretty tight fit on a 25 GB disc when you factor in the DLC (and projected DLC for #3).
Gah... I was joking hence the exaggerated use of ellipses followed by "Sorry" referring to the drawn out debate I had with BlackNMild2k1... which by the way...
Ummm.... I never said that they would switch to N64-like iron fisted policies
The extra cost of actually pushing these games to 1080p and optimizing them to run off a cart that would likely cost whatever Nintendo feels they can get away with charging ($5-$10 a cart?) multiplied by 100,000 unit minimum order (just like they used to do back in the day) plus mandatory lead times on re-orders and all the other bullshit that comes along with 3rd parties having abandoned Nintendo when they last used carts leads to decreased 3rd party support and increased cost for everyone down the line which ends up costing me more to play the same games.
Really?

Again, sorry. I couldn't let that one go without a response.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 05, 2011, 11:03:48 PM
With 25GB of storage, BioWare could fit all 3 on a single Blu-Ray disc and release it as Mass Effect Trilogy......... Sorry.

No, they can't because of Microsoft's publishing rights to Mass Effect 1.  Besides, even if that wasn't an issue, that's a pretty tight fit on a 25 GB disc when you factor in the DLC (and projected DLC for #3).

This is the very good reason as to why HDD support will be important to the longevity of the Wii 2. One thing that I was debating to myself the other day was whether or not Nintendo would have their own DLC for their franchises? In some way it makes sense for them to do it because they love making money off of our love for their IPs, but I was listening to the recent episode of Infendo and they talked about how Nintendo might avoid DLC in the form that other gaming companies are currently handling the business model. However, one way to appease to third parties is to provide a HDD for their system so that those developers can have as much DLC for thier games as they want and Nintendo themselves can put their own DLC out at thier own leasure.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
I don't think Nintendo will ever have DLC in their games. Or patches. They should allow 3rd parties to patch and DLC the **** out of their games though. Nintendo should be supporting them in every way Sony and Microsoft do in order to stay competitive.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 05, 2011, 11:19:34 PM
I don't think Nintendo will ever have DLC in their games. Or patches. They should allow 3rd parties to patch and DLC the **** out of their games though. Nintendo should be supporting them in every way Sony and Microsoft do in order to stay competitive.

Having patches available for their games is important because they can tweek things that fell out of notice in development. Look at the issue surrounding Other M where you had to mail in an SD card with your save data to rectify the situation. This problem could have been easily fixed had the Nintendo been able to patch the system via a firmware update.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
I was referring to the minimum cart order cost and they have that practice to this day as far as I know.

They even have a minimum sales before the dev sees money back on WiiWare

As far as everything else, if Nintendo is producing it, then they have to charge for it and it will always be more expensive that a disc. That is the whole basis of the argument. Everything else is supporting that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 06, 2011, 12:37:31 AM
I guess we're not done with this then.

If they have that policy in place, still no one has complained. That's my point. It's clearly not a problem for them. Even the 3rd parties that released games on N64, still complained about Nintendo's policies. They supported the console, albeit poorly, yet still voiced their displeasure. This has happened on many systems, both past and present, market leader or not.

Of course, cards costs more. I never said that they didn't. I said that the price discrepancy was shrinking which you also acknowledged. I'm not disputing that 3rd parties may prefer discs because discs are cheaper (they probably do). Rather, employing cards is not necessarily a dealbreaker. The bottomline is if 3rd parties feel they can make money on Cafe, they'll support it, regardless of storage format). Simple as that. That said, if 3rd parties told Nintendo, "Blu Ray or GTFO" (perhaps even citing cost as a reason) and Nintendo went with cards anyway, I would absolutely think that was utterly stupid. In that instance, Nintendo would have just relinquished support by being boneheaded. I just can't imagine it going down that way. Nintendo needs to build them a system worth supporting, part of that is ensuring that it can be a port machine, at least initially. As long as Nintendo doesn't do anything silly, they should be fine.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 06, 2011, 12:41:04 AM
Actually, they have complained. Here's an example: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408920
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 06, 2011, 01:12:28 AM
I stand corrected then (though strange that it took nearly 6 years to come up, as that link is dated 2010... seems like a more serious issue that should have been brought up sooner). Point remains that despite criticism, 3rd parties have still supported hardware if they found it to be profitable. Mind you, I'm not trying to weasel out of being wrong about 3rd parties complaining about Nintendo handling of DS cards. On that point, I concede. I still don't think it's a dealbreaker unless 3rd parties make it one and refuse support if Nintendo chooses cards (or, really, anything that 3rd parties are vehemently against). Nintendo still has the responsibility of making a quality console that benefits everyone.

I wonder if Nintendo is just lackadaisical on the process or if it really takes that long. If they aren't treating it with urgency, they really should if they want to improve 3rd party relations. Just because they're the market leader, doesn't mean their partners don't deserve respect. Nintendo should know that more than any company. Iwata has been talking a lot lately about improving 3rd party relations, I certainly hope this is something they do.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 06, 2011, 01:46:45 AM
If you want a return to cartridge gaming, I have an idea that might satisfy this urge. Suppose that Nintendo allowed you to store your Virtual Console games on your Wii 2 that has SD card support. The game is stored and played off of said card. Now, save each individual game file to its own single SD card and then some third party company can provide a sticker with the game logo on it so that I can now have small cartridge games with modern technology. For example, say that Gamecube finds its way onto VC and you download Wind Waker onto an SD card with the logo of the game. Would anyone like to do this?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on May 06, 2011, 01:56:07 AM
Would anyone like to do this?

not really. as for the whole sd cartridge vrs discs I'd say we'd have to wait about 1 or 2 more generations for them to be super cheap and have lots of storage for the idea to work, Nintendo also has to drop those old school policies. Seriously though, by then downloadable games (like steam) will be all the rage.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 06, 2011, 02:20:07 AM
Would anyone like to do this?

not really. as for the whole sd cartridge vrs discs I'd say we'd have to wait about 1 or 2 more generations for them to be super cheap and have lots of storage for the idea to work, Nintendo also has to drop those old school policies. Seriously though, by then downloadable games (like steam) will be all the rage.

The average VC title is in the tens of megabytes, so all you would have to do is find a small SD card in the average range of said file sizes and the price would be negligable. The most you would have to have is one GB SD card for Gamecube games and most of those titles are not even that big. This could work if it was done right.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on May 06, 2011, 03:20:45 AM
the price point issue wasnt regarding your point but rather the other ongoing argument that's hapening in this thread.
as far as your suggestion goes it seems kind of impractical the size of the files arent that big and it's simply more convientent to have them on the onboard storage. I guess if you're nostalgic for cartridges fine but its kind of a waste of money to have to buy all those extra SD cards just to put one game on it, anyways if you were to do that there are ebay sellers that stock empty game cases for DS and you can print your own boxart if you want to. It's basically what i did with my wiisports game sleeve

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 06, 2011, 03:39:35 AM
the price point issue wasnt regarding your point but rather the other ongoing argument that's hapening in this thread.
as far as your suggestion goes it seems kind of impractical the size of the files arent that big and it's simply more convientent to have them on the onboard storage. I guess if you're nostalgic for cartridges fine but its kind of a waste of money to have to buy all those extra SD cards just to put one game on it, anyways if you were to do that there are ebay sellers that stock empty game cases for DS and you can print your own boxart if you want to. It's basically what i did with my wiisports game sleeve

Some of the people on this forum want to return to cartridges, and rightfully so, but all I am doing is pointing out a simple, or some what obscure, way of returning to cartridges for the next console generation. Also, having a single game on a card that is too small to hold a few modern day music files may seem wasteful, but it something that I would do if given the chance.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2011, 06:31:49 AM
Actually, they have complained. Here's an example: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408920

Thanx for providing that link. I knew I read that stuff somewhere before and couldn't remember where. I read so much stuff that it's hard to remember where it all originated.
And I also have to admit that that debate was so spread out that I often forgot what the original debate was really even about and the original point I was trying to make since I've been so distracted with other stuff.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 06, 2011, 08:27:35 AM
Kytim, I think most of us agree that games would benefit from a switch to solid state media. It's faster, more durable etc etc. The major disconnect was whether the switch would make sense from a business standpoint and alienate 3rd parties. There's evidence supporting both sides. I think it could work, BlackNMild2k1 disagreed.

This was brought up because I said that switching seems like something Nintendo would do in response to the 25GB disc Kotaku rumor, as opposed to switching being something should or even will do. That was just an observation. I'm not itching for a return to cards because I'm an "anti-discite" or anything. I take great care of my games and movies. I understand the benefits of optical media. In terms of the end product, however, solid state memory provides a better user experience. If pressed, I'll debate the merits of its value, but I'll take good games any way I can get it. I'm not a fan of digital downloads but I still bought Shantae on DSi because it's the shizzle and I want to support great, passionate teams like WayForward Technologies. That said, while I support the use of cards, discs don't inherently bother me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 06, 2011, 08:51:40 AM
If Nintendo switched to cards, I bet the first complaint you would hear is that they are too easy to lose.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2011, 08:51:59 AM
That doesn't mean the Wii 2 can't see a NEW game in the Mass Effect series that tells a different story

So we end up getting some casual on rails side story crap like Umbrella Chronicles or Dead Space Extraction while every other console gets the real stuff? Geezus Christ!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 06, 2011, 09:01:43 AM
I'm sure that 3-4 weeks lead time is artificial for the most part.  Nintendo would want to keep their assembly lines fully humming all year so that lets them play to move it around especially if they require X amount.  Nintendo could have a very good reason to require X, like they want to have enough for every major retailer to have.  I find with these types of things that the best way to handle them if you have an insistent on X number is to explain why and answer questions.  Something Nintendo isn't very good at.

Also on the losing car side of things.  For a console I probably make it Bigger so I don't have to use the small flash module but the less expensive big ones.  I personally think they be the size of CD but square.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 06, 2011, 09:04:11 AM
@The Unagi - Yeah, probably even if those same people were capable of keeping track portable cartridges since 1989 as well as SD cards and other memory card types.

@Ceric - I kind of feel like that's too big. I imagined something like half the size of a credit card or something slightly bigger than a DS card so idiots couldn't ram it into a DS/3DS thinking it's the same thing. That probably wouldn't stop them from trying. I guess if it was the same size, a message could always pop up asking to insert a proper card.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2011, 10:56:26 AM
Hopefully Nintendo will keep their profit margin on the hardware itself much thinner than they did with the Wii. I understand if they don't want to sell for a loss and I'm not saying they should, but they should aim for just breaking even on the hardware or only make a few dollars of profit on it. They shouldn't be making $50-$100 profit off it like they did on the Wii. $5-$10 profit would be more appropriate, in my opinion.

I want them to profit and be successful, but that should be achieved from the games; not from the hardware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 06, 2011, 11:01:29 AM
@The Unagi - Yeah, probably even if those same people were capable of keeping track portable cartridges since 1989 as well as SD cards and other memory card types.

@Ceric - I kind of feel like that's too big. I imagined something like half the size of a credit card or something slightly bigger than a DS card so idiots couldn't ram it into a DS/3DS thinking it's the same thing. That probably wouldn't stop them from trying. I guess if it was the same size, a message could always pop up asking to insert a proper card.

A Virtual Boy Cart?
Title: MS to steal Nintendo's thunder @ E3?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2011, 12:37:31 PM
MS to steal Nintendo's thunder @ E3?

Remember that comment I mentioned from some AMD worker about a console he was working on from the current fusion line and how they were ordered to pull in their schedule from end of 2012 to sooner...
Quote from: Rumor Consolidation 2011

March 2011:
-AMD working on CPU/GPU combined chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release


New MS system could steal Wii 2’s thunder with shock E3 reveal
http://www.develop-online.net/news/37618/Develop-source-New-Xbox-console-on-desks-at-EA (http://www.develop-online.net/news/37618/Develop-source-New-Xbox-console-on-desks-at-EA)
Quote
The successor to the Xbox 360 console is on desks at an unnamed Electronic Arts studio, Develop understands.

The new hardware, sent to EA last month, is a very early build with no casing – it is in fact being stored inside a PC shell.

EA developers are getting to grips with the tech to create first-generation software, Develop has been told.

“Quite often when new consoles come around they’re packaged into a PC shell, but actually what’s inside is an entirely new console,” a senior, trusted, well-placed source said.

Microsoft has declined to comment. EA has declined to comment. Develop’s source is not employed at either company.

The source believed, but did not have certain information, that the new Xbox would launch by the end of 2012. The individual expects an announcement will be made, at least in some form, at E3.

Nintendo better be packing a powerhouse GPU because they may not be the only one with a new console next year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2011, 12:47:00 PM
If Microsoft has a new console due for release next year then that one rumor about the Cafe being on par with the 360 had better be false, because a new Nintendo console which is only as powerful as a last gen console from 2005 just isn't going to cut it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 06, 2011, 01:27:21 PM
This could actually be good news for Nintendo.  MS will have to get a lot locked in soon for a 2012 release so if Cafe is much beefier then everyone thinks they may still come out ahead.  Compared to going first normally and guaranteeing being last by the end.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 06, 2011, 01:55:59 PM
That might be bad for Microsoft. 360 is doing really well right now. They're the lead platform the vast majority of multiplatform ganmes with no signs of that changing. Why rush into new hardware?

Also, if Nintendo's controller is anywhere near as crazy innovative as rumors suggest, Microsoft may not have time to counter. Of course, it's possible they could innovate as well, but let's be honest here, probably not. The most I'd expect from MS is a better version of Kinect and more powerful hardware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 06, 2011, 02:14:42 PM
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That might be bad for Microsoft. 360 is doing really well right now. They're the lead platform the vast majority of multiplatform ganmes with no signs of that changing. Why rush into new hardware?

Well people always say the same about the Wii.  "Why should they release a new system when the Wii is the most successful console in the universe?"  Eventually you have to move up.  Though I think this would be premature it does make a little more sense than if Sony did it.
 
I am quite shocked if it happens.  I figured Nintendo would get a few years before the competition introduced successors.  Now I am legitimately fearful about the Cafe's future.  This was Nintendo's chance to "catch up" in terms of hardware.  But I figured Nintendo, being Nintendo, was not going to do a good job of that.  They would catch up somewhat by fluke because the other systems were not coming out any time soon and just by being very conventional Nintendo was going to at least match the PS3.  But I never figured Nintendo was interested in being cutting edge.  So now I figure MS will leapfrog them because Nintendo is going to be conservative.  And then regardless of whatever casual-focused screen gimmick Nintendo is peddling, we're in the same boat where they're a generation behind and get left in the dust regarding third party support.
 
Nintendo has to not be short-sighted here in the slightest.  They have to have had this thing ready to compete not just with the Xbox 360 and PS3 but the inevitable 720 and PS4.  They have to have been thinking specifically about what sort of console MS or Sony could release in 2015 or so and whether or not Cafe could compete with it.
 
The only thing that might work is that technology has hit such a ceiling that third parties don't think the difference is enough to make Xbox 720 games that use so much of the extra power that a Cafe port is not possible.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 06, 2011, 02:22:58 PM
That doesn't mean the Wii 2 can't see a NEW game in the Mass Effect series that tells a different story

So we end up getting some casual on rails side story crap like Umbrella Chronicles or Dead Space Extraction while every other console gets the real stuff? Geezus Christ!

First off, Umbrella Chronicles; Darkside Chronicles; and Extraction were actually good games.

Second, that's not even what I was talking about.  Shepard's story ends with Mass Effect 3, and there isn't a doubt in my mind that EA will want to continue this franchise.  I figured the Wii 2 could get in on the next epic trilogy in the series, or perhaps even the MMO they teased in the Game Informer article last month.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 06, 2011, 02:34:49 PM
I just thought of something.  Could the announcement of the Xbox 720 have a Dreamcast effect on the Cafe?  The Dreamcast was awesome but a lot of the gamers Sega was trying to win back waited for the upcoming PS2 instead.  The assumption with the Cafe is that some effort is being made to win back core gamers.  But what if those core gamers just decide to wait for the upcoming 720 instead?

I think the attitude regarding Sega was that they had burned everyone before so why risk getting burned again when Sony hasn't burned you and the PS2 is almost here.  We could see the same attitude here.  I personally am not very interested in the 720 but I am going to be taking a wait and see approach with Cafe anyway.  Why jump into the Cafe with both feet when MS, who from a core gamer perspective is the top dog, has something new as well?  I figured one advantage the Cafe would have would be some time to itself so core gamers would give it more of a chance because it would be the "next big thing".  Well it will have no such advantage.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 06, 2011, 02:44:52 PM
If all it takes to win is graphics, then I think there will be no clear winner. You are forgetting that graphics are pretty much as good as they can get. Have you seen Crysis 2? I can barely see who's shooting at me because everything is too detailed (yes too detailed, and I'm playing on a 50" 1080p plasma).

I think Nintendo recognizes this. What they are going to release is a different answer to videogames. One that breaks away from what we assume a console videogame system is.

Well at least I hope...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2011, 02:56:53 PM
I'm guessing Cafe will still have a head start anyway. We don't know precisely when it will launch, but many signs are pointing to early in 2nd quarter of 2012, whereas the recent link BnM posting suggests the Xbox420 is coming out in late 2012. So Cafe probably will have some head start, but instead of years its only going to be months.

Cafe may get overtaken by the Xbox420 with the hardcore crowd, but Nintendo will probably keep the casual market, so even in a worst case scenario its not going to be like the Dreamcast which led to the demise of Sega. Nintendo has so much money that they could survive several consecutive Dreamcast style failures, but having that money might save them anyway. Sega back in 2000 or so didn't have a lot of money, which meant they had little available to market the system or fund game development. So personally I see that happening to Nintendo to be very unlikely. Nintendo today probably has as many billion of dollars available to it as Sega had in millions of dollars 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 06, 2011, 03:02:43 PM
If they call it Xbox 420, I will forgive Microsoft for Windows 98.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 06, 2011, 04:06:38 PM
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Cafe may get overtaken by the Xbox420 with the hardcore crowd, but Nintendo will probably keep the casual market, so even in a worst case scenario its not going to be like the Dreamcast which led to the demise of Sega.

Yeah, there is no way Nintendo is going to go broke like Sega.  I'm just making the Dreamcast comparison in the sense of one console being ignored in favour of an upcoming one.
 
I can't decide what would be cooler: if MS called it the Xbox 420 on purpose in a ballsy "look how cool we are" way or if they did so as total squares, oblivious to the slang meaning of the number.  Both of those would be enjoyable and hilarious.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2011, 04:39:10 PM
They named their current console Xbox360 instead of Xbox2 so that they could skip a number and seem like they are up to par with the PS3. That said, even though the next console is going to be the third Xbox there's no way they can call it Xbox3 and calling Xbox720 would just have people scratching their heads and wondering what happened to Xboxes 4, 5, and 6. 720 also doesn't really mean anything or have much significance as a number. It is 360 times 2, but that doesn't really mean anything that people immediately grasp.

420 works because it implies this is the 4th Xbox (even though it isn't really), and makes it seem like its in the same league as the inevitable PS4. 420 is a number that also has some meaning among certain circles and will make it seem more cool with that crowd, while at the same time it will completely go over the heads of those who don't know. Many hardcore gamers will recognize and understand the meaning.

But just in case MS wants to be politically correct, they could call it Xbox4D to somehow imply it is capable of eye popping 4D graphics that are somehow superior to 3D, even though that's impossible.

ETA: Assuming their next console has integrated Kinect support the Xbox4D would be a very marketable name for it, because they could say that it adds another dimension to gaming that actually goes beyond the TV screen and swallows up the player and their living room into that gaming world which players can interact in via the Kinect thing.

I seriously doubt MS invested all that money into Kinect just to have it be a one shot peripheral for a console late in its life. I would bet money its going to be in the next console as well and probably integrated directly into it somehow.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 06, 2011, 04:52:52 PM
You explaining that took away any and all funny.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MaryJane on May 06, 2011, 04:53:05 PM
There's no way they'd call it Xbox 420, since 4/20 is also Hitler's birthday. That's not really good press.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2011, 04:58:07 PM
There's no way they'd call it Xbox 420, since 4/20 is also Hitler's birthday. That's not really good press.

There's no such thing as bad publicity.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on May 06, 2011, 06:22:08 PM
If they call it the 420, the Doritos tie-in is RIGHT THERE. They'd be crazy not to do it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 06, 2011, 06:55:03 PM
Well people always say the same about the Wii.  "Why should they release a new system when the Wii is the most successful console in the universe?"  Eventually you have to move up.  Though I think this would be premature it does make a little more sense than if Sony did it.
The Wii's sales have been dropping due to market saturation and they get no support. 360 is enjoying great sales and has the best support out of the 3. The technology on the Wii is a decade old too. It makes more sense for Nintendo introduce a new console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2011, 11:48:13 PM
Upcoming Retailer Meetings could lead to some pre-E3 announcement leaks:
probably nothing Cafe related, but 3DS & Wii related stuff should be a lock.... hopefully.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/10/retail_meetings/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/10/retail_meetings/)
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A retailer has revealed a schedule of upcoming retail meetings for some major game companies.

Here's the schedule:

5/11: Sony Computer Entertainment
5/12: Nintendo
5/13: Microsoft
5/13: Sega
These meetings, especially in the case of Nintendo, are accompanied by major announcements, or at the very least leaks from attending retailers, so keep a ear open over the coming days.

The retailer that revealed this is Games Maya. In addition to having an adorable puppy as its top image, which in my book instantly makes your blog credible (even if the puppy is clothed, which puppies really don't like), Games Maya is a hot spot for official retail demo events even though it's in the middle of nowhere.

Maybe we'll hear about Xenoblade, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower & Skyward Sword for Wii
and maybe a new bundle or something to spark interest in 3DS beyond Street Pass and SSFIV3D.


edit: it seems that it is a Japanese Retailer Meeting, so maybe all those Wii games won't be mentioned, but hopefully something juicy comes out of it.
Title: Zumba Fitness 2 for Project Cafe?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2011, 12:13:57 PM
Another Wii 2 game announced?
Zumba Fitness from Majesco...
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Majesco-Entertainment-Expands-Its-1-Selling-Zumba-Fitness-Video-Game-Franchise-With-NASDAQ-COOL-1512502.htm (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Majesco-Entertainment-Expands-Its-1-Selling-Zumba-Fitness-Video-Game-Franchise-With-NASDAQ-COOL-1512502.htm)
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Developed by Zoe Mode, Zumba®Fitness 2 will launch on Wii™ this holiday season and another to-be-announced platform in early 2012.

Early 2012!? I will guess that means 1st Half as in after April but before end of June 2012 to go with the rumors and the comment that Iwata himself said.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tanookisuit on May 10, 2011, 02:56:03 PM
Looks legit, BNM!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Toruresu on May 10, 2011, 04:29:18 PM
BnM you should be rumor guru of NWR. Move aside Louie the Cat!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 10, 2011, 04:32:42 PM
If he'd write these things up as actual articles, I'd post them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 10, 2011, 05:41:30 PM
Sounds like a job offer.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 10, 2011, 05:45:55 PM
Sounds like a job offer.

Once you go Staff.  You never come back.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 10, 2011, 05:49:18 PM
BnM's shunned job calls in the past. Unless that changes, call it a contributor opportunity.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2011, 06:50:44 PM
If he'd write these things up as actual articles, I'd post them.
I'll take that into consideration
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on May 10, 2011, 07:10:08 PM
Pay him double James Jones' salary.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 10, 2011, 07:56:48 PM
Here's a little inside information: there is actually no such person as James Jones. That's just a pseudonym we on the staff use when we want to fawn over an RPG or totally rip into something awful, so that it doesn't reflect badly on our actual personalities.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 10, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
I cant' believe it. You guys actually heeded our advice and acknowledged BnM's amazing sleuthing skills.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 10, 2011, 08:02:41 PM
The staff acknowledges his abilities. Neal excitedly brags in the staff email threads when we get something on the site before BnM posts it on the forums.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 10, 2011, 08:09:38 PM
Pay him double James Jones' salary.
The bill is in the mail.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 10, 2011, 08:57:49 PM
The 360 seems to be getting Papal as a new payment method along with a new disc format and a Kinect chatroom. Could similar features be added to the Super Wii? It seems to me that adding Paypal to the eShop would be a quick and easy method to aquire games.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/xbox-36-spring-update-adds-paypal-new-disc-format-support (http://www.1up.com/news/xbox-36-spring-update-adds-paypal-new-disc-format-support)
 
Microsoft buys Skype for 8.5 billion for Xbox Live and Kinect communication and the PSP will not lose Skyoe support. I always thought that Skype integration would be good for Nintendo's Super Wii and 3DS fr online communication.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/microsoft-buys-skype-xbox-live-support-promised (http://www.1up.com/news/microsoft-buys-skype-xbox-live-support-promised)
 
I am trying to out sleuth BnM. ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 10, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
The 360 seems to be getting Papal as a new payment method along with a new disc format and a Kinect chatroom. Could similar features be added to the Super Wii? It seems to me that adding Paypal to the eShop would be a quick and easy method to aquire games.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/xbox-36-spring-update-adds-paypal-new-disc-format-support (http://www.1up.com/news/xbox-36-spring-update-adds-paypal-new-disc-format-support)
 
Microsoft buys Skype for 8.5 billion for Xbox Live and Kinect communication and the PSP will not lose Skyoe support. I always thought that Skype integration would be good for Nintendo's Super Wii and 3DS fr online communication.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/microsoft-buys-skype-xbox-live-support-promised (http://www.1up.com/news/microsoft-buys-skype-xbox-live-support-promised)
 
I am trying to out sleuth BnM. ;)
Payment vy the Pope? :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on May 10, 2011, 11:03:19 PM
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201105/11043465.html

From what I can make out on Google Translate, it sounds like Squenix has 1up'd Nintendo in the "Worst execution of a 25th anniversary" sweepstakes - DQ 1, 2 and 3 on a disc.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 10, 2011, 11:07:46 PM
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201105/11043465.html (http://www.famitsu.com/news/201105/11043465.html)

From what I can make out on Google Translate, it sounds like Squenix has 1up'd Nintendo in the "Worst execution of a 25th anniversary" sweepstakes - DQ 1, 2 and 3 on a disc.

Hey, Nintendo demonstrated that people are gullible loyal enough to buy a small collection of ROMs on a disc, so I can't blame Square-Enix for trying to take advantage of it as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on May 10, 2011, 11:10:02 PM
Found a better translation (read: someone at GAF) who pointed out this was announced in this week's Jump Festa.

And it apparently includes both the Famicom and SFC versions of DQ 1-3, which means we ain't seein' this in NA/EU unless Nintendo shows SE how much pure profit they made off All-Stars. (I'm hoping it'll be a preorder bonus for DQX, but I'm not holding my breath.)
Title: Pikmin 3 & Endless Ocean 3 screenshots?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 12:54:49 AM
Cafe Games Screenshots?
http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/rumor-screenshots-of-project-cafe-games/ (http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/rumor-screenshots-of-project-cafe-games/)
(http://i.imgur.com/jm9DV.jpg)

real? fake? doesn't really matter as there are now less than
28 days to go till E3....


edit: The "leaker" of these pics says that she has video of the games in action. No mention of when she would release them though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 01:09:12 AM
Looks like Rune Factory Oceans might be getting announced for a N.A. release @ E3
http://scrawlfx.com/2011/05/natsume-to-announce-highly-anticipated-ps3-and-wii-title-at-e3 (http://scrawlfx.com/2011/05/natsume-to-announce-highly-anticipated-ps3-and-wii-title-at-e3)


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Natsume (http://scrawlfx.com/tag/natsume) will reveal a “a highly-anticipated unannounced title for PS3 and Wii,” the company has said. Revealing their E3 lineup — which consists of Harvest Moon: Tale of Two Towns, Gabrielle’s Ghostly Groove, and Reel Fishing Paradise — the company teased an E3 unveiling for the unannounced game.[/size][/font]
Like our friends at Siliconera (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/05/10/natsume-will-announce-a-highly-anticipated-title-for-ps3-and-wii-at-e3/), when we think ‘PlayStation 3 / Wii’ and ‘Natsume,’ the only game that comes to mind is Rune Factory Oceans (http://scrawlfx.com/tag/rune-factory-oceans). Given the publisher’s association with the Harvest Moon series — of which Rune Factoryis a spinoff — and their relationship with Marvelous Entertainment, we’d sayOceans is pretty much a given for the reveal.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 11, 2011, 01:09:50 AM
28 days later..
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SnakePlissken on May 11, 2011, 01:44:42 AM
I would not be surprised to still see a Holiday 2011 launch. I know what Iwata has said, that doesn't mean the company can't "change its mind" and announce it at E3. Would be a smart move to throw off Microsoft in particular. Not sure if Foxconn would have enough time to roll out units if they only begin making them in October though, but I have no idea.

Nintendo has also shown, numerous times, that they are willing to launch without a full lineup. E3 can't get here soon enough. I imagine launch will be March 2012 at the latest.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 11, 2011, 02:52:54 AM
If there is an F-Zero launch title for the Super Wii then it must have the production values of these titles: Gran Turismo 5 and Forza Motor Sport 3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 03:23:00 AM
I remember that someone was doubting that haptic/tactile touchscreen were anywhere near ready for a consumer product. Here is more tech in the field
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/touchscreen-prototype-brings-fake-insects-to-life-with-tactile-s/

It's just some food for thought....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 11, 2011, 10:06:37 AM
I sure hope that isn't a screenshot of Pikmin 3 or its taken with the world Worse camera or its for 3DS.  That screen doesn't look as good as the screens I've seen for Pikmin 2.
Title: Wii2 = Next Gen's PS2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 10:41:18 AM
Wii 2 will not be Dreamcast, it’ll be “the PlayStation 2 of next gen”
http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2011/04/19/wii-2-will-not-be-dreamcast-itll-be-the-playstation-2-of-next-gen/ (http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2011/04/19/wii-2-will-not-be-dreamcast-itll-be-the-playstation-2-of-next-gen/)
Quote from: April 19th, 2011
Today I have another update to the puzzle and it comes from a close 3rd party contact. I asked my source about the power of the console, the likelihood of release this year, are the suggestions of the controller having a screen on it true, and more of the like and did get one nice answer and a little explanation.

“Nintendo’s new machine is powerful and though I hate to bash, it won’t be another Dreamcast. This will be the PS2 of its generation.”

So we have it on good authority that this machine will be far enough beyond PS360 to not be completely outclassed by PS4/720, and that is all we can really ask for; A true Next Generation Machine from Nintendo.

This comment was made a few weeks ago, but it was just pointed out to me, so now I bring it to you.... better late than never ;)




Paul Gale is also the source for this rumor:
-Retro working on Wii2 game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667943#msg667943); and it's "a project everyone wants us to do"[/size][/font]
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 11, 2011, 11:19:09 AM
It can only be a PS2 if the 3rd party support is there. Its good knowing it will be powerful enough, but the developer support is crucial.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 11:24:40 AM
I'm sure the developer that made the comment was speaking strictly in terms of power, not support.

Wii2 will be to PS4/720 as PS2 was to GC/Xbox
that is what you should be taking from this comment.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 11, 2011, 11:43:46 AM
That was what I took from it. I'm just saying it would also be nice if the new system was like the PS2 in terms of market share and developer support.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 12:09:25 PM
Only time will tell that.

But if Sony & MS really don't respond till end of 2013 at the earliest, and something tells me that MS may have a system ready to launch at the end of next year, then games and support will probably be just like I predicted with Nintendo being the lead console for 2years and the other systems just getting up-ports until the other 2 system get up there in userbase or pay for timed exclusives.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 11, 2011, 12:17:24 PM
The next generation will probably be dominated by Microsoft and Nintendo. Sony will probably be the last ones to release their console and by then they will be far behind. It also does matter that the Sony and Playstation brand are severely damaged from recent events and thats going to factor into it as well.

Sony will be in 3rd place again, but this time it will be a more distant 3rd. Its hard to say who will be in 1st place, but I'm sure it will be a close fight.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on May 11, 2011, 12:28:02 PM
The game life bar and what not on both of those games seem oversized. Maybe they are shots of the on controller touch screen?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 12:31:50 PM
The game life bar and what not on both of those games seem oversized. Maybe they are shots of the on controller touch screen?

Maybe, I didn't even think of that. Nintendo would want to show off the controller as much as possible, so it's likely that they would do that by showing the games running on the controllers touch screen. But I'm still gonna assume they are fake until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 11, 2011, 12:37:41 PM
The game life bar and what not on both of those games seem oversized. Maybe they are shots of the on controller touch screen?

Not to mention on the Endless Ocean one those look lke touchbuttons on the buttom.  I'm with BnM.  These are fake or concept something or another.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 11, 2011, 12:39:05 PM
How come whenever Square Enix releases the old DQ games DQ IV is often left out?  Why not include all the NES games?  Yeah we got a remake recently but the old 8-bit DQIV is one of the most obscure NES games.

I actually would be content with Cafe being a Dreamcast.  I just don't want it to be a, well, Wii.  But being the PS2 would be awesome.

If Pikmin 3 was a launch title I would buy the system at launch.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 01:22:43 PM
I actually would be content with Cafe being a Dreamcast.  I just don't want it to be a, well, Wii.  But being the PS2 would be awesome.

So you want the Cafe to be unsupported, overshadowed and prematurely abandoned? :P
Power wise, DC was just a notch below PS2, but I'd rather it be the PS2 of next gen than the system that meant well, but just couldn't do well. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 11, 2011, 01:36:59 PM
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So you want the Cafe to be unsupported, overshadowed and prematurely abandoned?

The Dreamcast is the awesome system that did everything right and still failed.  The Wii is essentially the exact opposite - an underwhelming disappointment that nonetheless sold like hotcakes.  I would prefer Nintendo to make an awesome system that unfortunately fails then to see them succeed with mainstream pandering junk.
 
But who says you can't have an awesome system that is also a big financial success?  I would obviously prefer that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 11, 2011, 02:08:16 PM
But who says you can't have an awesome system that is also a big financial success?  I would obviously prefer that.

That is easier said than done though, especially these days. Power costs money. Development time costs money. Competing costs money.

And it's only getting worse.

As customers, all we want is a system full of support and that will last a long time. But to provide that, businesses pretty much have to stick with the status quo. The Wii proved that third parties are more interested in selling to all systems than to one system, no matter how significant the market share. But to stick to the status quo would mean to commoditize games. So instead of systems built to make games - systems would be built to serve them instead; offering different advantages and features, but pretty much the same experience. As customers, this would be the best thing that could happen to the price of games, but also the worse thing to happen to innovation.

Nintendo was the biggest success this generation because they innovated. They brought something new to the table and people found it irresistible. A fresh experience to old and new gamers alike. And despite the lack of support, they made more money than their competitors combined. So while the market is screaming for commoditization, people are buying innovation.

So as a console maker, what do you do? Commoditizing games will lower development cost and garner more support, but innovation has the chance to make you different and commercially viable. So which one do you choose?

I hope Nintendo knows they answer.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 11, 2011, 02:15:05 PM
Here is a good article on nine things the Wii 2 needs to be successful:
 
http://mediarushes.com/2011/05/04/nine-things-nintendo-needs-to-do-with-wii-2/ (http://mediarushes.com/2011/05/04/nine-things-nintendo-needs-to-do-with-wii-2/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 02:20:16 PM
Nintendo was the biggest success this generation because they innovated. They brought something new to the table and people found it irresistible. A fresh experience to old and new gamers alike. And despite the lack of support, they made more money than their competitors combined. So while the market is screaming for commoditization, people are buying innovation.

Nintendo could have made a Trading Places* bet with Sega on this generation for a total profit of $1 and still made more money than both Sony & MS combined.

*Trading places is a Eddie Murphy & Dan Aykroyd movie made in 1983
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/)


Here is a good article on nine things the Wii 2 needs to be successful:
 
http://mediarushes.com/2011/05/04/nine-things-nintendo-needs-to-do-with-wii-2/ (http://mediarushes.com/2011/05/04/nine-things-nintendo-needs-to-do-with-wii-2/)

They forgot #10
Keep it affordable
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 11, 2011, 03:04:43 PM
Nintendo could have made a Trading Places* bet with Sega on this generation for a total profit of $1 and still made more money than both Sony & MS combined.

That was true at one time back when both systems were selling at a huge loss, but hasn't both the 360 and PS3 moved into the black since then?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 11, 2011, 03:30:19 PM
Here is a good article on nine things the Wii 2 needs to be successful:
 
http://mediarushes.com/2011/05/04/nine-things-nintendo-needs-to-do-with-wii-2/ (http://mediarushes.com/2011/05/04/nine-things-nintendo-needs-to-do-with-wii-2/)

It's funny, even though Nintendo has continually made a profit off of every system they've made (sans the VB), we don't really consider many of them to be successful. I think we all hark back to the SNES days and recall how great everything was. The Golden Age in Gaming. That was when Nintendo was really successful. As a result, we try to build similarities and correlations as proof of what Nintendo needs to do to repeat that golden age, but I do not think we understand the underlying reason for that success in the first place. It was successful because it was exactly what people AND developers wanted. It was a rare time, where both type of consumers came together. It flourished both in sales and support, and Nintendo was making hand over fist from both sides of the equation. The only time this has happened again was during the PS2 era (another era we draw proofs).

So naturally, anytime we talk about Nintendo success, we talk about third parties, we talk about support. But third parties are only half the equation - the half we can't do anything about. So all the talk about new systems and wishful thinking boils down to what can Nintendo do to attract more third parties. It's like a magical solution that once that is resolved, we will again experience an SNES-like golden age of games. But if that truly was all they needed to do, then Nintendo would have became Apple a long time ago; with dirt cheap development costs, virtual market support, and instant sales data and gains. That is not Nintendo.

Nintendo is different. Out of every system maker, they do not have an ulterior motive. They don't want to take over your living room. They don't want to be your central media hub. They didn't even want you to play DVD's. All they want is for you to play games everyday. That philosophy isn't going to change. Everything else is an after thought.

So in keeping with Nintendo's philosophy, how do you build a system that both people and developers will enjoy?

The two are almost always at odds with each other and I don't think building a more powerful 360 with a dash of Nintendo, as that article implies, will do it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 11, 2011, 05:32:53 PM
Quote
It's funny, even though Nintendo has continually made a profit off of every system they've made (sans the VB), we don't really consider many of them to be successful.

That's because we're not Nintendo shareholders.  We view "success" from our perspective.  A system is "successful" if it has great games, strong third party support, and is popular within gamer culture.
 
It's no different then how someone might say a sequel to a popular movie was a failure because it was widely panned and nobody likes it.  But it still made a profit.  To us that is irrelevent - if the film sucks it failed because from our perspective a film is successful entirely if it entertains us.  At the same time a film can be a huge financially flop but succeed at being a great movie.
 
Nintendo's post-SNES systems have been regarded as "failures" because from the perspective of quality, which is all that truly affects us, they were.  Their poor third party support ensured that those systems were going to overall have a weak selection of games, with a handful of really awesome titles.
 
In the end these systems all fade away into the past.  Nintendo doesn't make any money from N64s or Gamecubes anymore.  So now, without any financial context, when gamers look back all that remains are the games and the systems are historical judged by that criteria.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2011, 05:54:39 PM
Nintendo could have made a Trading Places* bet with Sega on this generation for a total profit of $1 and still made more money than both Sony & MS combined.

That was true at one time back when both systems were selling at a huge loss, but hasn't both the 360 and PS3 moved into the black since then?
(http://i.imgur.com/SvNjY.png)


You would have to start 360's tally in 2005 & PS3's in 2006.


Nintendo could cover both of their losses (twice) and still have made a profit
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 11, 2011, 08:28:14 PM
It's funny, even though Nintendo has continually made a profit off of every system they've made (sans the VB), we don't really consider many of them to be successful.
That depends on who you're asking. Nintendo consoles have always been very good to me, but I buy them for Nintendo games. Not that I don't buy 3rd party games, I do and I'd buy more if there were more I wanted available, but Nintendo releases great games and as long as they keep doing that, I'll keep buying hardware from them. Ideally, I would only buy one console. My issue with Nintendo is that they're often holding themselves back. They make some questionable moves which prevents me from being cheap and only buying 1 console for my gaming needs/urges. Despite that, I find them plenty successful.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 11, 2011, 08:56:14 PM
I agree. My favorite system wasn't the SNES, but the N64. Why? Because it was exactly what I wanted in a game system - four controllers and a way to metaphorically kill and humiliate my friends.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on May 11, 2011, 09:22:15 PM
How come whenever Square Enix releases the old DQ games DQ IV is often left out?  Why not include all the NES games?  Yeah we got a remake recently but the old 8-bit DQIV is one of the most obscure NES games.
It's because the first three games all have a related story, while the fourth game is completely different. They make up the Erdrick Trilogy, so putting number IV together with them would make no sense outside of it appearing on the same system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 11, 2011, 11:30:19 PM
Isn't it true that if Nintendo were to include a Blu Ray drive without an HDD to install games onto then load times would increse? It appears to me that Nintendo being the keeper of efficiency that they are would be attracted to the ability to keep load times low when games are becoming biiger in terms of memory requirements.
 
Also, Nintendo would be smart to include an HDD into their console to appease third parties. The best way to appease third parties is to allow them to put as much of their DLC as possible onto a gamer's system. This has worked out well for both and Microsoft and has become a market trend, so Nintendo would be smart to adopt it as their standard in order to get more support from third parties.
 
The truth is that flash memory is still too cost prhibitive for the average gamer to use as a replacement hard drive. I agree with Nathan that a 32GB SD card is more expensive than a 320GB laptop hard drive. Nintendo would be smart to include support for all modern storage devices and let the consumer sort it out themselves.
 
If Nintendo want to be the market leader again with the Super Wii then they are going to have to adopt market trends. I can not stress this enough that things such as mass storage, adequate online and high definition graphics are no longer a luxery, but a mandatory features that when not given sufficient support can make or break a console. I respect Nintendo's business policies, but I may not buy thier next home console if I have to miss out on all the good DLC that is prolific on their competitor's systems.

Edit:

Wrong thread...again.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 11, 2011, 11:41:57 PM
Assuming Nintendo goes Blu-Ray, they could use a higher speed Blu-Ray drive.

Not sure Nintendo would include a HDD, but you never know. They should support it though. They should also consider supporting SSD. I recently read an article stating that consumer SSD cards are expected to be roughly $1 per GB in mid-late 2012 so the prices are dropping. If Nintendo included an SSD, the price would be even lower, but again, not sure they would include one, especially if they probably aren't willing to include a HDD.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2011, 12:06:29 AM
8GB of onboard flash is basically an SSD, so if they then pack in another quality 8GB SD card (class 10), then the need for a HDD by >70% of the gaming populace has been satisfied.

But I am of the belief that not only will SDHC & SDXC cards be cheap enough by end of 2012 to not really trip at spending $30-$50 for 64-128GB (less than the price of a current HD game), but HDD support will be there from day one even if a HDD is not including in the base SKU.

I personally feel that 8GB onboard storage is enough space for 95% of developers to consider the space useful and use it as a standard feature for every game (8GB onboard should be reserved for data caching and game needs). Since I believe Nintendo will follow the 3DS lead and include an additional 8GB of flash pre-installed, every base SKU will come with 16GB of usable storage space and every Developer will know they have access to at least 8GB of space regardless of the system. (8GB pre-installed would be for game saves, DLC, VC/Warez and other stuff that the user fills it with)

And I feel like this has already been addressed before, but one of the main reasons for having a HDD in the first place, especially a large one like 250GB, was for game installs. But you have to ask why you would be installing games in the first place... the Bluray drive is really slow in the PS3 as it's a 1st gen drive. Installing of games was a way to overcome the bottleneck that was the Bluray drive transfer/read speed. Nintendo using a faster 6-8X drive would eliminate the need for HDD installs except for those that just don't want to deal with a disc period, for those people, I still believe HDD support will happen out of the box, you just have to supply your own HDD (which I'm sure any person is such a position would rather do than be charged a premium for lower HDD storage than what their dollar could actually buy).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 12, 2011, 12:25:30 AM
Even when you can install the game to the disc you are still always required to have the game disc in the drive in order to play the game. Its not necessary for any technical reasons, but the game companies don't want you to be able to just borrow your friends game and then copy it to the hard drive and return the game and basically have a free copy of the game which is playable from the hard drive. So that's certainly not going to happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 12, 2011, 12:26:54 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27758388&postcount=614 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27758388&postcount=614)


This comes from NeoGAF, who claims to have a source close to Nintendo. Grain of salt. Indeed.  Would be awesome, though! And I could really believe a good portion of that list, too. Crazy.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 12, 2011, 12:40:02 AM
I know Tekken's a multiplat franchise, but I'm still questionable on anything Tekken coming to a Nintendo platform. Also, the poster's banned...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2011, 12:47:23 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27758388&postcount=614 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27758388&postcount=614)


This comes from NeoGAF, who claims to have a source close to Nintendo. Grain of salt. Indeed.  Would be awesome, though! And I could really believe a good portion of that list, too. Crazy.

I saw that earlier and it seemed even less likely than that 4chan list, so I just ignored it....
I mean it's possible, but since it couldn't be traced back to anybody with something to lose ("internet cred"), I just chose not to post it. Alot of the stuff on there would shut the internet down for so long that everyone, including Sony, would forget all about PSN.


edit: might as well just post it here
Quote from: Metallix
A personal acquaintance of mine sent me this list, saying it came from a source close to Nintendo. It's probably fake, but I figured I'd share anyway:

--First Party--
::Launch Games::
Extreme Sports Cafe ("New" IP, Combines 1080 and Wave Race + Other Sports)
Pikmin Cafe (Interfaces with Pikmin 3DS)
Endless Ocean Cafe
Nintendogs Cafe Kennel (Interfaces with Nintendogs + Cats)
Mii Explore (New IP, Multiplayer Adventure Game)

::Launch Window::
Kirby's Epic Yarn 2 (Launch Window, Multiplayer)
Wario Ware Cafe (Launch - Launch Window?)

::Future Games::
Super Mario Cafe (Late 2012/Early 2013, Paradigm Shift ala SM64)
Legend of Paper Zelda (Mid 2012, Paper Mario version of SNES Zelda)
Fire Emblem Cafe (Late 2012)
Retro Studios IP (Late 2012, New IP)
Project Sora IP (New IP)
Monolith Soft RPG (New IP)
Miyamoto Game (New IP)

--Third Party--
::Launch Games::
Battlefield 3 (Extra Content)
Street Fighter X Tekken (Timed Exclusive)
SSX
Super Monkey Ball Cafe
Tony Hawk Cafe
Ridge Racer Cafe
Mass Effect 3 (Possibly with ME 1 + 2?)
InVersion
Dragons Dogma
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Future Soldier
Metal Gear Solid: Rising (Extra Content)
Silent Hill: Downpour (Extra Content)
PES 2013 Cafe (Timed Exclusive)
Trauma Center Cafe

::Launch Window::
Modern Warfare 3
Grand Theft Auto V (Launch?, Timed Exclusive)
Dead Space Spin Off
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Cafe
Soul Caliber V (Extra Content)

::Future Games::
Sonic Cafe (Sonic Generations?)
Platinum Games IP (Bayonetta 2?)
Phantasty Star Online 2 (Late 2012?)
SEGA Game (? ? ?)


The Amazing Spider-Man: The Game
Rockstar Game (New IP?)
BioShock Infinite (Timed Exclusive)
Red Steel III
Beyond Good & Evil 2
Doom 4
Madden 2013 (Timed Exclusive)
Tiger Woods 13
Fight Night Cafe
Need for Speed Cafe
Level-5 Game (New IP)
Kingdom Hearts Cafe (Possibly KH3)
Square Enix Game (New IP)
Square Enix Game (? ? ?)
Grasshopper Game (New IP or No More Heroes 3)
Valve Game (Possibly a collection set + new game?)
Epic Games (New IP, Bulletstorm 2 or New Gears of War Trilogy exclusive to Cafe)





Once again, I can't confirm the validity of this information, but I figured it may be worth discussing, on the off chance that it's real.

[/i]
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 12, 2011, 01:39:11 AM
^The 3rd Party games list on that post is so utterly impossible and implausible that it's kind of funny.  With the exception of "Legend of Paper Zelda" and Kirby's Epic Yarn 2 (that would never be a launch window game), that 1st Party list actually feels pretty likely.
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Post by: Ymeegod on May 12, 2011, 01:59:09 AM
"Fire Emblem Cafe (Late 2012)"  I wish :(. 

Project Sora sounds interesting though, I wonder if that has anything to do with Kingdom Hearts?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 12, 2011, 02:03:23 AM
Project Sora (http://www.project-sora.co.jp/) is the joint venture between Nintendo and Sakurai's Sora Ltd.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 12, 2011, 02:04:13 AM
Project Sora (http://www.project-sora.co.jp/) is the joint venture between Nintendo and Sakurai's Sora Ltd.

Didn't they reveal that that was Kid Icarus 3DS?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 12, 2011, 02:05:36 AM
Project Sora is a "company." They are working on Kid Icarus: Uprising.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on May 12, 2011, 04:07:02 AM
lol Legend of Paper Zelda. Crazy kids.
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Post by: Ceric on May 12, 2011, 10:04:50 AM
I thought that the 3rd party list was pretty realistic.  Though I really doubt there be a PSO2 because I like the Gamecube one soooo much. (I have an insane amount of hours in single player and I had a network adapter just for the game but, people wanted to talk to much online.)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2011, 10:24:02 AM
lol Legend of Paper Zelda. Crazy kids.

(http://i.imgur.com/OepPf.jpg)
http://nintendopapercraft.blogspot.com/2008/10/minish-cap-link.html

I would probably buy it
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 13, 2011, 01:31:33 AM
I thought that the 3rd party list was pretty realistic.  Though I really doubt there be a PSO2 because I like the Gamecube one soooo much. (I have an insane amount of hours in single player and I had a network adapter just for the game but, people wanted to talk to much online.)
PSO2 is being made.  It's right now only a PC game in Japan, but it's official.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 13, 2011, 11:31:16 AM
I would be happy with 16-32 SSD would be more than enough if 8GB of it is reserved solely for caching games, and helping games run smoother or whatever companies might want to use that data for.  Then another 2-5-GB reserved for the OS and expansion and updates. 

The rest would be used for saves, downloadable content and whatnot...with the OS allowing all of these things to be streamed from the SD card to the 8GB memory available for developers to use.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 13, 2011, 03:43:03 PM
I hate what Video Game Systems have become. Back in the day, I didn't know how any of my game systems work. They just worked.

Now I feel invested in checking specs, like I'm buying a new computer.

**** blows these days. /old timer
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on May 13, 2011, 03:48:05 PM
I have a 120GB harddrive on my 360. I am down to around 10GB left. This is a combination of installed games, DLC, xbox live arcade, demos, and patches. Though it is not required to install games, some do benefit from this ability.

The Wii2 needs to not be limited by storage.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 13, 2011, 03:57:30 PM
The Wii2 needs to not be limited by storage.
This is why it is rumored that you will have options for what storage type you want.  Install an HDD/SSD, plug in a USB HDD, use an SD card or even a USB thumb drive.  It will all work we hope.

There will just be 8GB of onboard space like the $200 360 has 4GB of onboard space.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 13, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Quote
I hate what Video Game Systems have become. Back in the day, I didn't know how any of my game systems work. They just worked.

Now I feel invested in checking specs, like I'm buying a new computer.

It might be because you're a grown up now.  I didn't know **** about what was in an NES, Genesis or SNES when they were current but I know now because that sort of thing interests me.
 
Plus it was still talked about but in a dumbed down kid way.  Remember how big a deal the Genesis was for being 16 bit?  You think if Nintendo didn't make note that the SNES was also 16 bit that it would be cool and no one would say a thing?  Nah, it would be a borderline scandal!  They had to make it 16 bit and had to SAY it was 16 bit.  I remember hearing about how the TurboGrafx-16 wasn't really 16 bit or how the Jaguar wasn't really 64 bit.  It was damaging to the reputation of those consoles for that to come out.  Plus everyone went nuts about how many megs each game was.  Whoa this is a 32 meg game!  The Neo Geo had 100 meg shockers!!!
 
You also can't unlearn things.  I know enough about how consoles work to know that if certain aspects of it have limitations that it can greatly affect what games are made for it.  We know the Wii had problems with storage limitations.  We know that WiiWare has lost out on games because of size limitations.  We can't unknow this.  So no matter what it is going to be in the back of my mind because I know that if the storage is too small and too restrictive a whole bunch of problems can occur.  And these are problems that will directly affect Cafe owners.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on May 13, 2011, 05:10:13 PM
Why don't they just give the system as much RAM as its discs will hold? That way, the system could store the entire game in the RAM, eliminating loading times!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 13, 2011, 05:12:19 PM
Why don't they just give the system as much RAM as its discs will hold? That way, the system could store the entire game in the RAM, eliminating loading times!

Actually if you wanted to do that you would need to have what the disc hold plus X for scratchpad type work and the OS.
 
Though I do agree, thats why I like it to go to cart because the read times of ROM, be it flash or something I don't know about, can be pretty close to RAM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on May 13, 2011, 05:22:39 PM
I think the RAM idea would be better than using some kind of cartridge, though. We all know third-parties aren't going to be happy if the medium for the system is any more expensive to manufacture than competing systems, so they can't use cartridges if they want support.

I actually suggested it as a joke, but after thinking about it some, it actually kind of sounds like a good idea. It lets them still use discs but eliminate load times, plus people wouldn't have to go through the hassle of installing games onto a hard drive or equivalent. The only issue is manufacturing costs for the system. I've heard that RAM is fairly cheap these days, but most computers don't have more than a few GB worth. How much would, say, 25GB of RAM cost?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 13, 2011, 05:39:52 PM
Alright lets say that Big N uses DDR3 1066 for the Uber Cache.  I can find it on Newegg for $11 per gig, so for a retail consumer it be $275.  Now I'm sure with bulk discounts etc.  Nintendo could probably get it for a quarter of that so lets say its $68.75.  I don't think they'll spend that much but it be cool if they did.  Though I mean they could actually go much slower and still see a benefit, thats just the cheapest one I found quick.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2011, 05:49:07 PM
Nintendo likes fast RAM in place of more RAM.

You can actually do more with a smaller pool of fast RAM than you can with a larger pool of slow RAM. So I would hope that Nintendo would but 1.5/2GB of some really good RAM in the machine over a pool of 4+GB's of whatever RAM is cheap enough today. (DDR3 probably wouldn't be good enough for Nintendo)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 13, 2011, 05:52:54 PM
Nintendo likes fast RAM in place of more RAM.

You can actually do more with a smaller pool of fast RAM than you can with a larger pool of slow RAM. So I would hope that Nintendo would but 1.5/2GB of some really good RAM in the machine over a pool of 4+GB's of whatever RAM is cheap enough today. (DDR3 probably wouldn't be good enough for Nintendo)
I would assume whatever Ram Nintendo uses for the normal RAM role would be Wickedly fast and have its cycles tuned to complement the GPU and CPU, which is what they did with the GameCube.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 13, 2011, 06:56:22 PM
25GB of embedded RAM would be immensely expensive.  The 1GB for $11 is for one stick of 1GB ram.  It would be way too expensive to interface with 25 sticks of RAM.  So it's more likely you'd have to go with denser ram. On Newegg, the most dense ram I could find was 4GB stick.  The cheapest (with absolutely horrible timings and a type that Nintendo would never use) is $38.99 for the stick.  So 6 sticks would be $233.94.  A quarter of that price is $58.49.  I don't think they'd be able to get this much ram for that price.

Though let's say price wasn't a problem.  The real problem is heat.  This much embedded RAM would be like a furnace.  If there was this much ram, it would make everyone forget that the 360's RRoD ever existed.  You'd have the system at 80C on idle and catching on fire the moment you load a game into it (yes I'm exagerating).  So it's either that or a jet engine decible loud fan to cool it.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 13, 2011, 07:09:31 PM
I didn't think having that much RAM would be feasible, but it's too bad because it would solve some issues.
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Post by: Lithium on May 13, 2011, 07:11:42 PM
I think a single stick of high quality 4gb ram would be more than enough, as far as i know the 360 doesn't have more than 1 gb
anyways i bet that the price of flash cards would fall faster to be feasable than excessive ram. I still think that this discussion will be rendered moot by digital downloads and SSDs in 2 generations though, I mean as a PC gamer i haven't bought retail since 2006 thanks to steam
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2011, 07:13:45 PM
the 360 has 512MB of RAM

Cafe will hopefully have 1.5-2GB of RAM
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Post by: MegaByte on May 13, 2011, 07:14:50 PM
Nintendo could probably get it for a quarter of that so lets say its $68.75.  I don't think they'll spend that much but it be cool if they did.
RAM margins are very thin; there's no way they'd get a discount of even 50%.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 13, 2011, 08:56:39 PM
The Cafe should use Isolinear Chips for its RAM like they use on the U.S.S. Enterprise D.

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101220021106/memoryalpha/en/images/2/2e/Ben_Lum.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 13, 2011, 09:01:17 PM
The Cafe should use Isolinear Chips for its RAM like they use on the U.S.S. Enterprise D.

But where are we going to get an android to do all the multimodal reflection sorting?!   ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 13, 2011, 09:04:27 PM
The Cafe should use Isolinear Chips for its RAM like they use on the U.S.S. Enterprise D.

But where are we going to get an android to do all the multi-model reflection sorting?!   ;)

Maybe its time to bring R.O.B. out of retirement?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 13, 2011, 09:05:52 PM
The Cafe should use Isolinear Chips for its RAM like they use on the U.S.S. Enterprise D.

But where are we going to get an android to do all the multi-model reflection sorting?!   ;)

Maybe its time to bring R.O.B. out of retirement?

I think he's busy being a pile of scrap after being wasted by the Nerd.   :P:
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 13, 2011, 11:16:09 PM
Nintendo could probably get it for a quarter of that so lets say its $68.75.  I don't think they'll spend that much but it be cool if they did.
RAM margins are very thin; there's no way they'd get a discount of even 50%.
I've been surprised before what guaranteed large Quantities have done for prices.  Though you are probably right.
Title: IGN: Cafe to use a 4850? maybe 2GB's of RAM (1GB GPU & 1GB CPU)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2011, 12:22:50 AM
I originally put this in the Cafe thread since it seemed more speculative than anything, but IGN is implying that Cafe may be based off of an 4850 which would be a very very good thing and put us all at ease towards the graphical power of the next Nintendo console

IGN collaborated with their "sources" and built a Cafe.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/116/1168222p1.html (http://gear.ign.com/articles/116/1168222p1.html)
Quote
Based on the information we received and with help from our sources, we found retail PC components comparable to the ones Nintendo is expected to use in their new system and built a mock console of our own.

We called upon our trusted sources to help us determine the retail products with the closest possible clock speed and power, as well as fill in some of the blanks for other components, like finding a suitable motherboard and appropriate amount of RAM.

Our system comprises of the following:
-CPU: 3.2GHz Triple Core AMD Athlon II X3 450
-GPU: XFX Radeon HD 4850 GPU with 1GBs of VRAM
-Motherboard: BIOSTAR A780L3L Micro ATX
-RAM: 2GBs of Kingston DDR3
-Power Supply: Rosewill RV350 ATX 1.3
-Hard Drive: 80GB WD Caviar Blue 7200RPM

Though the parts we used are comparable, our sources say there will be some significant variation in the final product. For one, the CPU is likely to be clocked above 3.2GHz and the GPU will feature a tweaked design but a similar speed to the HD 4850 we used. Most importantly, the Wii 2/Project Cafe's total RAM is likely to be 1GB, but we added an extra GB to offset the Windows 7 OS, which is pretty taxing otherwise.

In total, our system cost $423.93, which, of course, accounts for retail markup. In the case of Nintendo, hardware and production costs will be drastically lower given the high volume at which the components will be produced, though the final retail price could be upwards of $300.


I think the most interesting thing is that they (at the suggestion of their "sources") used a 4850 which is pretty much near the top of the R700 food chain. They said it was for similar clock speed, but I can only assume it's because of similar feature set and power too (in other words, because it's the base model that is being customized).


It was being speculated that Nintendo would go with a 4770 which was roughly 3-4x a PS360, but now IGN is suggesting a 4850 which would put it 3-5x as powerful as a PS360. Not a HUGE difference (from what I've been reading), but more is better. Lets just hope they are off on the RAM and Nintendo goes 1.5GB minimum for total system memory.


edit:---------------------
Don't read IGN's conclusions of their test. They put an unoptimized PC against an optimized 360 and were slightly underwhelmed. In a closed box with a tweaked 4850, the difference will be MUCH greater, but even still, only to those that are really looking for more detail.
Cafe using a 4850 will good enough to compete against a PS4/720. Cafe using a 4850 should be able to render anything the PS360 can, but do it at 1080p 60fps with all effects enables and lots of extra AA. And that's with improved textures and increased draw distance.


(http://i55.tinypic.com/24brdl1.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 14, 2011, 10:46:29 PM
If those specs are true then HOLY SH!T!!!  That would mean the Cafe is basically two generations ahead of the Wii in terms of power, which means Nintendo's own games are going to be out of this world. 

Seriously, if Toyko EAD was able to make Mario Galaxy look like it did on the Wii's hardware, on the Cafe they'll be able to make something that makes everything on the 360/PS3 look like N64/Playstation games in comparison.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 14, 2011, 11:18:39 PM
As much as I would love to believe this, this is Nintendo we are talking about here. 

However, I have never wanted so much to be wrong.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2011, 11:27:15 PM
The 4850 is from 2008. Is it really too much to believe hat Nintendo would be customizing a 2008 chip to release in 2012?

Also the 4850 is the recommended GPU for The Witcher 2. So assuming that the IGN rumor is true, we could be seeing quality ports of current PC games along with everything else.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 14, 2011, 11:58:18 PM
That would mean the Cafe is basically two generations ahead of the Wii in terms of power,

A two generational leap is precisely what is needed. If Nintendo's next console were only a one generation leap then that would only put it on par with the 7th generation PS3 and 360. It needs to be an 8th generation system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 15, 2011, 12:53:42 AM
That would mean the Cafe is basically two generations ahead of the Wii in terms of power,

A two generational leap is precisely what is needed. If Nintendo's next console were only a one generation leap then that would only put it on par with the 7th generation PS3 and 360. It needs to be an 8th generation system.
Not only that but it needs and will set the bar for what an 8th Generation system needs to be to play.  I would like to come out with something that when MS and Sony see's it they have to go back to their current plans and go "What the heck where we thinking" and start from scratch.
Title: Rumor Consolidation 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2011, 12:56:24 AM
Rumor Consolidation 2011

September 2010:
-Itagaki of Team Ninja hints at game Devil's Third being made for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670302#msg670302)

October 2010:
-Marvell QuadCore processors for new console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg637155#msg637155) - *This might have had something to do with Kinect, But I don't remember.
-IBM implies that Wii2 uses Cell based PPC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565)

November 2010:
-Marvell Quad cores gets a large order: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642274#msg642274) From large console manufacturer - *once again might be Kinect related.
-House of the Dead: Overkill 2 in the works (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642866#msg642866) 
-EA reviving NFL Blitz (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg644226#msg644226)

December 2010:

January 2011:
-UltraViolet Media Cloud service coming to a console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg648998#msg648998) - Most Likely Sony since Sony is a partner.
-New Pokemon game for Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg649154#msg649154)

February 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg657316#msg657316) according to THQ

March 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg661397#msg661397) according to EA
-AMD working on CPU/GPU combined (Fusion based) chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release. *Update* - This matches up with this rumor from back in Dec. AMD Fusion based Xbox 720 in 2012? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg645130#msg645130)

April 2011:
-Monster Hunter 3DS to be announced soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg664597#msg664597)
-SSFIV3D connects to home console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg665437#msg665437) - Hint @ Wii2 from Capcom and 3DS -> Wii2 connectivity
-Wii price drop to $150 on May 15th (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666463#msg666463) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34277.msg671062#msg671062)
-Wii2 announcement @ E3: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666740#msg666740) 1080p HD, More powerful than PS360, BC with Wii, release late 2012 *Partially Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668832#msg668832)
-New Wii2 controller has HD screen built in (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666915#msg666915)
-Wii2 to use Bluray technology (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666928#msg666928)
-Wii2 actually aimed at early 2012 release (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666975#msg666975) (1st half 2012) *IGN backs this up in their mailbag (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668171#msg668171)*
-Controller Screen is actually a Touch Screen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666977#msg666977)
-Project Cafe: Wii2 Controller is a Tablet: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667008#msg667008) 6" touch Screen on Controller, front facing camera & doubles as sensor bar for BC *Codename Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778)
-Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667026#msg667026) Wii2 controller to rival 3DS, NGP, iPhone & iPad apparently
-1st & 3rd Party games @ E3 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667069#msg667069) EA, Ubisoft & Capcom all but confirmed
-Wii2 = TriCore PPC & R700 class GPU w/ 512+MB Ram (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667113#msg667113) Another surprise to be shown @ E3
-3rd Parties have had Wii2 Dev Kits for Months (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667129#msg667129), Has better Motion Tracking than Move
-Pikmin 3 moved to Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667251#msg667251) to be shown @ E3; Nintendo also in talks with R* for solid AAA support.
-Wii2 launch June 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667781#msg667781); Rockstar delivering game (?GTA V?) during launch window
-Wii2, 3DS & E3!? Oh Yes!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667939#msg667939); 3rd Parties taking a front seat this time around.
-Retro working on Wii2 game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667943#msg667943); and it's "a project everyone wants us to do" (Starfox? Zelda? New Original FPS?)
-Wii 2 will not be Dreamcast, it’ll be “the PlayStation 2 of next gen” (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672134#msg672134); A true next gen console? sounds like it.
-Retro's new game is actually Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668169#msg668169)
-"Where there's smoke, there's fire" - Miyamoto's comment on Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668209#msg668209) - He also said not to believe everything you hear though.
-Wii2 controller has a 6.2" screen and 8 buttons (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668218#msg668218)
-IGN: The N Stream (Wii2) Details "confirmed"? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668242#msg668242)
-1up says: No Friend Codes for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668681#msg668681)
-Retro making DKCR sequel for Wii2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668753#msg668753)
-Project Cafe Codename Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778); 01net rumors now have even more credibility
-4Chan Cafe "Leak" (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669121#msg669121)?; Sounds like a wishlist to me.
-Rareware to make 3DS games? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669156#msg669156); not sure how likely this one is, but Rare did release DS games
-Nintendo Select = $19.99 Players Choice line? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669695#msg669695) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34261.msg670710#msg670710)
-Project Cafe E3 Publishers List? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670039#msg670039); More than likely fake, but the real thing will probably still be close
-Super Smash Brothers Café @ E3 2011? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg673816#msg673816); Every Nintendo Franchise to be shown off in HD? Sounds good to me ;)

May 2011
-Haptic Feedback & Vitality Sensor Built In? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670488#msg670488)
-Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc & 1080p (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670741#msg670741)
-Track Pad in the Cafe Pad? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671094#msg671094); Just because I don't believe it don't mean it's not possible...
-GTAV to be revealed @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671178#msg671178)
-$350+ Wii2 starts production in October (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671233#msg671233)
-MS to steal Nintendo's thunder @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671476#msg671476)
-Zumba Fitness 2 for Project Cafe? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671988#msg671988) to be announced/released early 2012!?
-Pikmin 3 & Endless Ocean 3 screenshots? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672082#msg672082) They're likely fake, but what if they aren't.... E3 is still so far away.
-IGN: Cafe to use a 4850? maybe 2GB's of RAM (1GB GPU & 1GB CPU)? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672602#msg672602)
-Valve working on Café (Wii2)? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672732#msg672732); HipHopGamer says Gabe Newell is impressed with Café and it's ease of development
-The Last Story coming to Europe!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675149#msg675149); If they translate it, it better come to the U.S. too.
-Wii VC transferable to Café? HD versions getting made? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg674961#msg674961)
-Project Café Spec Sheet? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675476#msg675476); Only time will tell
-21 Rumors & A Bet To Back Them Up (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675797#msg675797); Gotta love a bet where we win either way!
-Metroid Café Screenshot!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675802#msg675802); I call fake, but it still looks good to me.[fake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyWPCF-fDH0)]
-HQ Camera's in Café? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675819#msg675819)
-"Final" Spec Sheet and Comparison (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675910#msg675910); I compare it to the previous Spec Sheet... (less than 6 days left)
-New Zelda for 25th Anniversary!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675947#msg675947); Legend of Paper Zelda anyone!?
-ESRB Leak!? Nintendo Current!? E3 Games Reel!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676051#msg676051)
-Project Cafe @ EB Games Expo!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34193.msg676129#msg676129); Nintendo will be there, surely Café will be too. Will you be there?
-12 Skyward Sword Rumors (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676158#msg676158); A Pre-E3 roundup of Zelda Rumors (with a bonus #13)
Title: Valve working on Café (Wii2)?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2011, 01:15:57 AM
Gabe Newell (Valve) is already working on Cafe software?
http://www.hiphopgamershow.com/2011/05/gabe-newell-joining-the-wii-2-project-nintendo-aims-to-kill-competition-hhgs-5811/ (http://www.hiphopgamershow.com/2011/05/gabe-newell-joining-the-wii-2-project-nintendo-aims-to-kill-competition-hhgs-5811/)

start @ 12:29

HipHopGamer.com says that Valve has been working on Wii2 for a while and that Gabe Newell is impressed with the system and how easy it is to develop for.

Now if you remember that a while back Valve was praising biometric sensor feedback ("Vitality sensor") and even made a special version of Left4Dead2 that utilized the technology. Now we have "word" that Valve may actually be working on Café and may have been doing so for quite some time already.


Nintendo last stated that the Vitality Sensor was still gonna see a release, but they didn't say if it would be for Wii or a future console. There has also been rumor/speculation that the Vitality Sensor may be built into the Café controller, which would make sense considering how awkward the original prototype would have been to use while trying to play a game.


Ofcourse this rumor of Valve actively developing for Café is only gonna provide more fuel for the Steam on Cafe speculative HYPE Train. But I say ALL ABOARD!!!


(http://i55.tinypic.com/24brdl1.jpg)


edit: HipHopGamer also said that "Developers are guaranteeing that you will get more out of Nintendo's Online that you will from Xbox Live."

That's a pretty bold claim to make and one I would love to see Nintendo live up to, but I also don't see how they would do it all for Free. Unless Valve really is involved.....


edit2: HipHopGamer also states that they will be having an early E3 2 weeks before hand. Not sure what secret event is supposed to be happening, but I would guess that it was heavily NDA'd if it even exist.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 15, 2011, 02:04:23 AM
It could be the announcement of the name of the system like they did with the Wii and announcing that name a bit before E3 so the talk wouldn't be about the name but the games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 15, 2011, 03:41:42 AM
What would steam for the Super Wii look like? I ask because I am not that familiar with Steam.

What if Valve is overseeing the production and overhaul of the Wii Shop Channel and Virtual Console into something similar to Valve's Steam?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 15, 2011, 04:32:32 AM
Here is a rediculously left field idea.

We have been hearing rumors of Microsoft being up to something too.  Do you think it would be even remotely possible that this could be a joint effort between Nintendo and Microsoft?
To me it sort of fits these rumors.  If Devs are guarenteeing Cafe online as superior to Xbox Live, do you think it could be an upgraded Live, from Microsoft themself?

Like I said, completely left field.  But pretty interesting to think about. 

Do you think such an alliance would be a good thing?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2011, 05:57:16 AM
Such an alliance would never happen while Nintendo was in a position to prevent it.

If anything, I think MS is has some hardware that could be ready to launch by end of 2012 and they could be planning on leaving Sony as the odd man out this time and try and lock up the multi-plat with Nintendo while Sony competes in an arms race with itself.

If there is anything to this Valve on Cafe & Cafe Steam rumor, then I think it's entirely possible that Nintendo could have an online service capable of spilling coffee on Live's shirt and leaving a pretty big & noticeable stain. I just hope they keep it free.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 15, 2011, 01:47:15 PM
I agree with BnM. The only way Microsoft and Nintendo would form and alliance is if Sony was still a major monopoly like they were in the PS2 era and MS and Nintendo were so far marginalized that they were forced to team up if they were to have any hope at all. But that's obviously not the case and its doubtful Sony will ever have the 1st position spot again, especially with such a wide margin.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 15, 2011, 01:59:17 PM
I am still thinking that Valve is not only bringing Steam to the Super Wii, but I would not be surprised if they are collaborating with Nintendo on revitalizing the Wii shop channel into something similar to Steam. Would Virtual Console be better off being similar to Steam? The Super Wii would need a HDD to work with Steam, right?
 
Think about what a service like Steam would do for Gamecube Virtual Console? Most of the contracts on Gamecube games are still young enough that third parties could easily put games onto the service. It would be one of few consoles on the serivice that may very well have unlimited support.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 15, 2011, 02:34:56 PM
Should I really get ultra excited? The 3DS has great power and features as far as i'm concerned and can only see it all as a huge step in the right direction. I read the IGN article a while before BlackN posted it and I do trust them and their sources, but should I really get excited? My brain says says no, but my spirit is calling for that train!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 15, 2011, 05:02:16 PM
The people that brought us friend codes will surpass XboxLive?
We know Nintendo could (and should), but would they actually do it? They'd have to throw out that whole "safe online experience" philosphy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 15, 2011, 05:23:04 PM
The people that brought us friend codes will surpass XboxLive?

Friend codes were the result of Nintendo doing the online thing themselves. I'm certain this time around they are contracting outside help. The difference is like some average Joe painting their house themselves versus hiring the painters of the Sistine chapel to do it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on May 15, 2011, 06:05:21 PM
i WANT to believe this but hiphop gamer doesn't cite any sources and doesn't even seem like a reliable place for news honestly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 15, 2011, 07:06:23 PM
The people that brought us friend codes will surpass XboxLive?

Friend codes were the result of Nintendo doing the online thing themselves. I'm certain this time around they are contracting outside help. The difference is like some average Joe painting their house themselves versus hiring the painters of the Sistine chapel to do it.

Well, Microsoft pretty much knocked it out of the park on their first try. Friendcodes were more likely just an idea that Nintendo didn't think everyone would hate, that gave us online and kept the system "safe."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 15, 2011, 09:35:28 PM
But Microsoft has decades of experience with computers and all that crap before they even started making Xboxes. They've been running MSN and making Internet Explorer since Nintendo was making the SNES.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 15, 2011, 10:33:58 PM
Didn't Nintendo say that they were teaming up with other non-gaming companies to work with them on their next console? Honestly, I would not be surprised if Nintendo is teaming AT&T to help with their online system for the Super Wii.
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 16, 2011, 01:18:21 AM
Why AT&T? Just curious.

Teaming with Valve and bringing Steam to Cafe or something like Steam or Steam compatible (for cross platform PC/Cafe multiplayer) would make the most sense, because Nintendo Wi-Fi sucks, Steam is awesome but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm having a hard time believing Nintendo could leapfrog Microsoft and Xbox Live. I expect something along the lines of 3DS's 1 friend code to rule them all approach. Still, stranger things have happened. I wonder, though, if Cafe's online structure went the Steam route, if it could be carried over to 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2011, 01:22:39 AM
I wonder, though, if Cafe's online structure went the Steam route, if it could be carried over to 3DS.

Makes you wonder about why that 3DS update was delayed till E3.....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 16, 2011, 02:01:27 AM
Why AT&T? Just curious.

Because obviously no one knows more about online gaming than a phone company who never had a thing to do with video games...... oh, wait.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 16, 2011, 02:07:45 AM
Makes you wonder about why that 3DS update was delayed till E3.....
Makes me wonder a lot of things.

I assume it was delayed because Nintendo sucks and it just isn't ready even though it should have been ready by launch. Similarly, Microsoft launched Windows Phone 7 without some key features then ran into some update snafus. I'm not convinced that delay means or even suggests that Nintendo suffered amnesia and decided to have an awesome online system. A girl can dream though...

I wonder how long it would take Valve to develop a Nintendo version of Steam for Cafe and 3DS. This would be a big deal and the negotiations seem far from easy/simple so I wonder if Vale could even have it ready for 3DS this year, let alone by June. I wonder if it would come with all kinds of Nintendo-esque restrictions thus making it better but still lame. At the same time, I wonder if Valve would even bother if Nintendo had the audacity to attempt to tell them how to make an online system.

I really just don't want to get excited. The thought of Nintendo making a decision regarding online gaming that isn't willfully moronic is rather new so you'll have to excuse the skepticism.
Because obviously no one knows more about online gaming than a phone company who never had a thing to do with video games...... oh, wait.
To be fair, he did say "non-gaming companies" so I'm just curious why AT&T. I ask only because AT&T is my mobile service provider and they fucking suck so I would certainly hope Nintendo steers clear of dealing with them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 16, 2011, 02:47:53 AM
Like I said, I would bet that Valve is collaboratting with Nintendo to develope a hybrid Wii Shop Channel/Steam service that is much faster and more efficient then what we currently have right now. As for the AT&T thing, I figured that Nintendo could get some kind of server connection deal from them since they collaborating with AT&T with wi-fi hot spots for the 3DS. Nintendo is going to have to increase their server capacity if they want Steam and to keep up with Micosoft's online system.
 
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on May 16, 2011, 03:12:59 AM
The people that brought us friend codes will surpass XboxLive?

Friend codes were the result of Nintendo doing the online thing themselves. I'm certain this time around they are contracting outside help. The difference is like some average Joe painting their house themselves versus hiring the painters of the Sistine chapel to do it.

Well, Microsoft pretty much knocked it out of the park on their first try. Friendcodes were more likely just an idea that Nintendo didn't think everyone would hate, that gave us online and kept the system "safe."

No they didn't.  They charged 50 bucks for peer to peer service and for the the entire life of the original xbox that was basically all it offered. Their "first try" was on the first xbox and it didn't offer or do half the things that it can now.  It wasn't even finished the first year to let the most popular game, Halo, have online.  You had to use some jiggery-pokery to play through a tricked lan game over gamespy.

It's like everybody forgets the first xbox even existed.

Makes you wonder about why that 3DS update was delayed till E3.....
Makes me wonder a lot of things.

I assume it was delayed because Nintendo sucks and it just isn't ready even though it should have been ready by launch. Similarly, Microsoft launched Windows Phone 7 without some key features then ran into some update snafus. I'm not convinced that delay means or even suggests that Nintendo suffered amnesia and decided to have an awesome online system. A girl can dream though...

It's my understanding that shops like this are always delayed.  Apple's app store sure wasn't there at launch and that is far more important since your can't plug carts into an Iphone.


All this hand wringing over online seems overblown to me.  The Wii and DS had hardlimits in their design that prevented their online from changing much and the DS especially is old.  DLC was still considered the devil at the start of the gen I still loathe it and now I see people on message boards talking about how much they love it screwing them.  A lot of things have changed since that hardware came out.  Nintendo is not a stupid company and has made the 3ds updatable.  The blueprints for the online systems are already out there, they just have to pick them up.  Valve working with them would be cool but it seems too much like a fanboy's wet dream to be real.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 16, 2011, 10:03:23 AM
To answer the question about Steam  I'm pretty sure that Valve could put Steam connectivity into a game with not problem whatsoever and not really lenghting the development time.  Now to get the full experience integrated into the OS thats another story and I think that would take some time.  By my understanding the 3DS is really the first system Nintendo has made that the OS was running in the background in a noticeable way when you were playing a game.  I may be wrong but I don't think so.

It makes a lot of sense for Nintendo to just have Valve help them incorporate Steam in but, that would be losing a lot of control for them and they wouldn't like that.  Honestly though after trying to play Portal 2 with Bustin last night I would like just a toast coming down and I could press a button to go into the game I was invited to.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2011, 12:45:06 PM
With all this talk about Nintendo leapfrogging Xbox Live and jumping up two generations over the Wii, there is scepticism and I get that because I'm sceptical too.

But the thing is this is what Nintendo HAS to do.  If they do this they are doing it right.  They're a generation behind on hardware and a generation behind on online gaming.  They have to do a leapfrog at some point if they are to ever catch up.  So this would be the correct thing to do.  I have serious doubts that they will, but if Nintendo knows what they are doing then they WILL leapfrog a generation.  It isn't really exceptional for them to do it.  Sony and MS would jump to the same level, the only difference is they didn't "skip" a gen like Nintendo did.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 16, 2011, 01:36:40 PM
Nintendo "leapfrogged" before. Back when they made the transition from the SNES to the N64 they went from 16bit straight to 64bit and they never released a 32bit system. Unless you count the virtual boy, because I believe that was 32bit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 16, 2011, 01:38:24 PM
This is why Nintendo needs to return to cartridges:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCLOxK6FpfA&feature=feedrec_grec_index (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCLOxK6FpfA&feature=feedrec_grec_index)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2011, 02:14:25 PM
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Nintendo "leapfrogged" before. Back when they made the transition from the SNES to the N64 they went from 16bit straight to 64bit and they never released a 32bit system.

I don't think that counts.  If anything the N64 exposed how stupid it was to focus on bits because it and the Playstation were clearly comparable despite the PS1 having half the "bits".  The Xbox was 32 bit and it wasn't a generation behind.
 
The Wii was more like Nintendo releasing a slighty beefed up SNES to compete with the Playstation and then had to jump right to the Gamecube to catch up.
 
Of course while jumping ahead two gens is unheard of, staying a gen behind and relying on a new controller to justify the new system is pretty unheard of as well.  The Wii was uncharted territory so maybe Cafe will be as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 16, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
This is why Nintendo needs to return to cartridges:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCLOxK6FpfA&feature=feedrec_grec_index (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCLOxK6FpfA&feature=feedrec_grec_index)
Thats awesome.  Makes me want to find the vids of PS2 VS Xbox VS GCN for being beaten tests.GCN Wins.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 16, 2011, 02:32:34 PM
But the thing is this is what Nintendo HAS to do.  If they do this they are doing it right.  They're a generation behind on hardware and a generation behind on online gaming.  They have to do a leapfrog at some point if they are to ever catch up.  So this would be the correct thing to do.  I have serious doubts that they will, but if Nintendo knows what they are doing then they WILL leapfrog a generation.  It isn't really exceptional for them to do it.  Sony and MS would jump to the same level, the only difference is they didn't "skip" a gen like Nintendo did.

You have to remember Ian that it's not that hard for Nintendo to be almost a generation ahead of the 360 and PS3.  As the rumors have said, the system is more then likely using 2008 level technology, which would already give the system a huge boast over the 360/PS3 that are currently a lot of 2004 level technology.  Not to mention the type of 2008 level technology the Cafe is said to have is suppose to be very good and would make the system about 5 time more powerful then the 360.


Oh and everyone has to remember that even if Nintendo is using 2008 level technology, if Microsoft releases a new system in 2013/2014 they won't be leapfrogging the Cafe by that much.  The shareholder of Microsoft have made it very clear that they're pissed off at the fact the gaming division hasn't made up for the billions of dollars they lost.  This means the gaming division of Microsoft isn't going to be able to release a system like the 360 again that's so cutting edge, it losses them billions of dollars at launch and then losses another billion dollars because they slapped it together so quickly, half the systems die and they have to then go back and fix the problem.

Since the gaming division of Microsoft has to be more profitable this time, more then likely any Xbox successor will use several year old technology as well which mean any gap between the Cafe and the next Xbox won't be that great.  Sony on the other hand might go for cutting edge again since the NGP shows Sony has no problem losing billions in order to be more powerful.  Of course it'll probably cost $600 again which well, we know what would happen then.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2011, 05:30:48 PM
Looks like Rune Factory Oceans might be getting announced for a N.A. release @ E3
http://scrawlfx.com/2011/05/natsume-to-announce-highly-anticipated-ps3-and-wii-title-at-e3 (http://scrawlfx.com/2011/05/natsume-to-announce-highly-anticipated-ps3-and-wii-title-at-e3)


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Natsume (http://scrawlfx.com/tag/natsume) will reveal a “a highly-anticipated unannounced title for PS3 and Wii,” the company has said. Revealing their E3 lineup — which consists of Harvest Moon: Tale of Two Towns, Gabrielle’s Ghostly Groove, and Reel Fishing Paradise — the company teased an E3 unveiling for the unannounced game.[/size][/font]
Like our friends at Siliconera (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/05/10/natsume-will-announce-a-highly-anticipated-title-for-ps3-and-wii-at-e3/), when we think ‘PlayStation 3 / Wii’ and ‘Natsume,’ the only game that comes to mind is Rune Factory Oceans (http://scrawlfx.com/tag/rune-factory-oceans). Given the publisher’s association with the Harvest Moon series — of which Rune Factoryis a spinoff — and their relationship with Marvelous Entertainment, we’d sayOceans is pretty much a given for the reveal.

Rune Factory Oceans was just announced for N.A.:
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/05/16/rune-factory-tides-of-destiny-crossing-ocean-lands-in-north-america-this-year/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 16, 2011, 05:32:26 PM
it and the Playstation were clearly comparable

No, it wasn't. Actually, the Playstation games were more comparable to the late era SNES games such as Killer Instinct, DKC, Super Mario RPG, etc. N64 games at times came close to the level of the Dreamcast (a 128bit system).

The Wii was more like Nintendo releasing a slighty beefed up SNES to compete with the Playstation and then had to jump right to the Gamecube to catch up.

I assume you meant to say N64 and not the Wii. But that's very wrong. If anything, the Playstation was a glorified SNES. The only remarkable improvement the Playstation offered over the SNES was the CD based media. It is no coincidence that the PS1 and its controllers are similar in design to the SNES because the PS1 is actually based on the SNES CD-ROM addon which Sony worked on but Nintendo ultimately pulled the plug on. So the fact of the matter is the PS1 was nothing more than an SNES and a CD-ROM drive fused together.

The PS1 may have been a more powerful system, but the leap from the late era SNES games to PS1 is miniscule and very much comparable to the leap from the GC to the Wii. Many late era SNES games actually looked better than the majority of PS1 games. So yeah, the CD drive was the only remarkable improvement there.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 16, 2011, 06:20:38 PM
The PS1 may have been a more powerful system, but the leap from the late era SNES games to PS1 is miniscule and very much comparable to the leap from the GC to the Wii. Many late era SNES games actually looked better than the majority of PS1 games. So yeah, the CD drive was the only remarkable improvement there.
Please site examples of late SNES games that looked better than PS1 games.  I can't recall any to that effect.
FYI, in regards to n64 vs Dreamcast, Sonic Adventure could run rings around anything on the N64.  I have never seen a game run on the N64 that looked better than the first Sonic game made on the DC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 16, 2011, 06:47:15 PM
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No, it wasn't. Actually, the Playstation games were more comparable to the late era SNES games such as Killer Instinct, DKC, Super Mario RPG, etc. N64 games at times came close to the level of the Dreamcast (a 128bit system).

Both systems offered 3D games with blocky graphics that look like complete piss today.  If the N64 was so many light years ahead of the PS1 then Nintendo sure did a shitty job of demonstrating it.  In comparison there is a clear difference between Xbox and Xbox 360 games while Wii games look like Gamecube games.  No Wii game impresses graphically in comparison to PS3 or X360 games but it was normal for both Playstation and N64 games to look impressive compared to each other.
 
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I assume you meant to say N64 and not the Wii.

No I mean the Wii, as in the Wii is the equivalent of a hypothetical N64 that was pretty much a SNES with the Super FX chip built in.  The Wii is a slighty enhanced Gamecube instead of a full on upgrade.  It's like the GBC.  So the Wii successor has to leapfrog the other consoles to "catch up".  No one has ever done that before because there was never a reason to have to do that.
 
I used to think some N64 games like Conker compared to the Dreamcast.  That's because I was an idiot.  Go back and play your N64.  Every game looks TERRIBLE.  Just ugly, muddy, blurry, blocky models.  Dreamcast games however match up okay with PS2 games.  Last gen was the first time polygons actually looked GOOD and the Dreamcast was the first one out of the gate.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 16, 2011, 06:48:27 PM
The PS1 may have been a more powerful Please site examples of late SNES games that looked better than PS1 games.

I did. As a matter of fact I did it in the same post you quoted.

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Actually, the Playstation games were more comparable to the late era SNES games such as Killer Instinct, DKC, Super Mario RPG, etc.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 16, 2011, 08:42:29 PM
I think we can safely assume Nintendo won't go for all out power. They may be concerned with being "leapfrogged" but I am positive that they have bigger concerns, like for instance, how do they entice current Wii owners to buy their next system? Power isn't the answer, in fact, I'm sure its main function is to keep the competition at bay, if anything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 16, 2011, 09:10:18 PM
So the Wii successor has to leapfrog the other consoles to "catch up".  No one has ever done that before because there was never a reason to have to do that.

It may not be something anyone has ever done before, but there's no technical reasons why it should be a problem. Nintendo uses components designed and manufactured by companies like IBM and ATI and its those companies' job to stay up to date and cutting edge with that sort of stuff. Nintendo just takes those components and builds the console using them. If Nintendo had to make those components themselves then they would be in some serious ****, because then they would have to do some catching up, but their work is essentially no harder than ordering the parts and piecing them together.

The components Nintendo is working with may be more advanced, but the process of fitting them together has changed little over the last few generations.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 16, 2011, 11:40:54 PM
voxel processor! now!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MaryJane on May 17, 2011, 09:00:27 AM
I think we can safely assume Nintendo won't go for all out power. They may be concerned with being "leapfrogged" but I am positive that they have bigger concerns, like for instance, how do they entice current Wii owners to buy their next system? Power isn't the answer, in fact, I'm sure its main function is to keep the competition at bay, if anything.

Agreed, but they are also trying to attract western developers, and try to stay relevant in the multi-platform arena which is something they haven't done since the SNES.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2011, 12:34:25 PM
I think we can safely assume Nintendo won't go for all out power. They may be concerned with being "leapfrogged" but I am positive that they have bigger concerns, like for instance, how do they entice current Wii owners to buy their next system? Power isn't the answer, in fact, I'm sure its main function is to keep the competition at bay, if anything.

Agreed, but they are also trying to attract western developers, and try to stay relevant in the multi-platform arena which is something they haven't done since the SNES.

If they are truly going with a customized 4850, then power is not really the issue as long as they don't gimp the chip and instead do like they did with the 3DS, add more recent features.
3DS chip was OGL 1.1 compliant, but Nintendo gave it some hardcoded OGL 2.0 features. The 4850 is a DX10 chip, but if they tweak it to add some hardcoded DX11 features while actually upping the speed of the chip and giving it(the GPU) a full GB of RAM, then there is likely no chip that Sony or MS can release with, even in 2014, that will significantly outdo the Café to the point where we are not looking at a PS2 -> GC/Xbox situation power-wise.

Given what has been told to us and assuming it's all true, then the only reason Western Devs would not at the very least port to Café (or use it as lead console) would be because they have something against Nintendo or are being paid off by MS or Sony.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on May 17, 2011, 05:51:03 PM
Nintendo "leapfrogged" before. Back when they made the transition from the SNES to the N64 they went from 16bit straight to 64bit and they never released a 32bit system. Unless you count the virtual boy, because I believe that was 32bit.

Except that both the GC and the Wii are 32 bit (Their processors anyway). That's also why N64 VC sucks since they have to rewrite parts of the code to make the games work.

it and the Playstation were clearly comparable

No, it wasn't. Actually, the Playstation games were more comparable to the late era SNES games such as Killer Instinct, DKC, Super Mario RPG, etc. N64 games at times came close to the level of the Dreamcast (a 128bit system).

128 bits of what? The deamcast has a 32bit processor, 64 Bit Ram, and a 128bit graphics card. You can't compare the numbers of different parts...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2011, 08:19:30 PM
He's talking about the GPU, which is how consoles have basically always been ranked when talking about "bits."
Title: Private "Project Café" Developer Conference?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2011, 11:21:21 PM
Someone is either really dedicated at passing off a fake or....

Fake or not, this one keeps popping up
I'm also sure that this next pic is a fake, but this rumor thread don't discriminate.

http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg)

That screen doesn't look 6", but I like the ideas behind the screen in the controller.

Another pic
http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg)

Innovation Reinvented

Project Cafe is simply the most development friendly SDK the industry has ever seen. Deliver unparalleled next generation performance at current generation cost. It doesn't get any easier than this.

-easy portability from PC, Xbox 360
-anytime live update past release
-Integrated Ai-Live framework

http://i.imgur.com/6BVpS.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/6BVpS.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/yNj6o.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/yNj6o.jpg)

Looks a little small in those pics according to the IGN rumor (about the size of the Original Xbox).
Actually it looks a little small regardless of what size IGN said. That thing looks to be a little smaller than a Wii.


These are obviously fake and the reflection looks very photoshopped in the first pic, but the light is on in both pics and the console is not even plugged in.
http://wii2blog.com/another-leaked-image-of-project-cafe/ (http://wii2blog.com/another-leaked-image-of-project-cafe/)
http://i.imgur.com/pfwYM.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/pfwYM.jpg)

They are really dedicated to passing off a fake

Look at the size of the cables in comparison to the disc drive slot.
Either this thing takes mini disc, or those are some super duper shielded cables.

Seriously, If this thing is fake (and I believe it is) then someone is really dedicated to passing it off as real

Developer "Project Café" demonstration.....
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2w4k0zm.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgjES1oOTlc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgjES1oOTlc)

Or maybe it's real and we all just want to believe it's fake....


pretty sure it's fake though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2011, 12:28:46 AM
What's weird about al the leaks is that the console looks the same, but the controller has been varying in shape with only a few consistent features (aside from the obvious).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2011, 12:32:44 AM
Also that screen has to only be about 3-3.5" because otherwise those analog sticks are freaking HUGE!!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2011, 12:38:53 AM
A six inch screen was an asinine idea anyway.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2011, 12:42:05 AM
Not if Nintendo was truly trying to block the tablet market from taking over their target demographic of casual and core gamers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2011, 12:46:40 AM
I'm still not convinced that there's a significant overlap in those markets.

Anyhow, the video actually says the screen is 6in if you stop it at the right time.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5087/5732182727_e2f1e29ea3_b.jpg)
Between 29 and 34 seconds it comes in to focus.
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Post by: MegaByte on May 18, 2011, 12:54:51 AM
Even if Nintendo was doing presentations like this, I doubt the hardware is finalized enough to fit inside a retail casing.
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Post by: bustin98 on May 18, 2011, 12:55:25 AM
Please. Anyone can go rent a room in a coffee shop or hotel with a projector and throw a home made power point presentation on it. Its a project that someone put a lot of time into, that's for certain.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 18, 2011, 01:25:06 AM
A lot of effort went into hoaxing bigfoot and crop circle formations, so I wouldn't rule something out as a hoax just because a lot of effort went into it.
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Post by: Lithium on May 18, 2011, 03:16:35 AM
At any rate it wont be too long until we get to find out for certain.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 18, 2011, 06:57:02 AM
Please. Anyone can go rent a room in a coffee shop or hotel with a projector and throw a home made power point presentation on it. Its a project that someone put a lot of time into, that's for certain.

This is exactly what went through my mind while watching that video.  Sure, a lot of effort did go into this,  but anyone with a little time on their hands could have made this.

Bah.  All this hoax BS is rather stimulating.  June 7th can't come soon enough. :c
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Post by: Ceric on May 18, 2011, 09:25:58 AM
Please. Anyone can go rent a room in a coffee shop or hotel with a projector and throw a home made power point presentation on it. Its a project that someone put a lot of time into, that's for certain.

This is exactly what went through my mind while watching that video.  Sure, a lot of effort did go into this,  but anyone with a little time on their hands could have made this.

Bah.  All this hoax BS is rather stimulating.  June 7th can't come soon enough. :c
That be the big take away from this is that people are excited enough to Hoax it which says good things about the interest factor.  Though having a simulated case prototype right now especially if manafacturing would be this year wouldn't be unheard of.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2011, 12:55:56 PM
I put this post together over @ NeoGAF to prove how fake the video is according to their own measurements.


Quote from: BlackNMild2k1
The sizing is way off

(http://i56.tinypic.com/35irtc0.jpg)
that's just a quick paint edit though

this is to scale
(http://i55.tinypic.com/r8s0er.jpg)

This is how large the analog sticks should be to a 6" screen
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2yo5to0.jpg)

This is a very rough approximation as to what theirs looks like on the same 6" screen
(http://i55.tinypic.com/eb91tj.jpg)

As you can see the measurements are WAAAAAY off as the analog sticks are 4x the size they should be if that is a 6" screen.

It's nice that someone would go through that much trouble for a fake, but they could have put in a little more effort to make sure it couldn't be debunked so easily by just double checking the measurements.

p.s. The console in the pics looks to be the exact same size and shape as a MS Win7 box.
(http://i.imgur.com/c46Hq.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 18, 2011, 12:56:12 PM
So Newegg was selling a 4850 1GB DDR3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=u292503t0f0fp51763dd0c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16814150482) graphics card for essentially $40 ($110 regular with $40 instant rebate and $30 MIR (http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2936473)).  This tells me this tech is now super cheap.  So it's sounding like IGN is probably spot on for the graphics power in the Cafe.
 
I'm getting more excited now.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2011, 12:59:22 PM
But we want the DDR5 version. How much is that selling for?


edit: apparently the 4850 w/ GDDR5 would technically be the 4870

we can already assume that Nintendo will tweak the GPU to use much faster RAM than GDDR3, so realistically, I think we can assume we would actually be getting a "4870" as a base GPU.

So how much is a 4870 selling for?


edit 2:
After looking at prices for a 4870 (which is just a 4850 with GDDR5), I can see why Nintendo would base it off just a bare 4850 instead and use their own and likely much faster RAM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 18, 2011, 07:09:19 PM
I wonder if they'll stick with their 1T-SRAM that they've used the last two generations.  I know the Wii had some of that and some DDR2 as well.  I'm wondering if GDDR5 Ram is faster than current 1T-SRAM or not.

Actually, a 4850 isn't a 4870 with GDDR3 RAM.  It does have higher clock speeds and higher memory speeds as well.  Using the 4850 architecture and tweaking it to fit Nintendo's needs would probably make it act closer to a 4870 though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2011, 07:16:11 PM
I said technically in my previous post, but I really meant practically. It's basically the same difference either way.

a 4850 with GDDR5 is practically a 4870

all a 4870 is from what I have read is a 4850 overclocked with much faster RAM, like you said.

Nintendo could reasonably be using a 4850 to create their own custom 4870 for probably much cheaper too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 18, 2011, 11:48:57 PM
Possibly.  I'm afraid Nintendo will not release any specs like they didn't with the Wii and the 3DS.  It was all other sources who put out what was in the 3DS and my guess is we'll not know what's in the Cafe until much closer to release.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on May 19, 2011, 01:12:40 AM
Who's to say that the analogue sticks are not to scale? Perhaps Nintendo wants each controller to have two arcade sticks, for those great arcade ports, and buttons large enough to step on, so we can play DDR out of the box.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 19, 2011, 02:05:36 PM
Check out this cool page about the Wii 2:
 
http://www.1up.com/features/dream-nintendo-stream (http://www.1up.com/features/dream-nintendo-stream)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 19, 2011, 08:42:52 PM
Blah, blah, screen size, blah, analogue sticks.

That's what I meant by "a six inch screen is asinine." If the controllers had a screen that big with an analogue stick and four face buttons, the with at the top of the controller would have to be 8-10 inches. The with of the screen is over 5, plus you have to factor in the spacing for the important ****. That's too damn big for a controller. The 360 controller is small, light and comfortable. Good for hours of gaming. Nothing that size would be conducive to extended gaming sessions.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 19, 2011, 10:58:52 PM
What if the screen and controller where seperate?
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 20, 2011, 04:04:58 AM
What if the screen and controller where seperate?

I've wondered this as well. A tablet and a new Wiimote.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2011, 07:28:31 AM
Develop Online chimes in with confirmations from their own source
http://www.develop-online.net/news/37732/Develop-Source-Wii-2-pad-adds-camera-system (http://www.develop-online.net/news/37732/Develop-Source-Wii-2-pad-adds-camera-system)
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The controller for Nintendo’s new home console includes a front-facing camera system, a person close to the matter has told Develop.

The source also confirmed some, though not all, of the controller details that are already in circulation.

The new Nintendo console – widely dubbed the ‘Wii 2’ – will officially be unveiled at E3 in June, Nintendo said.

Its controller has for weeks been at the centre of intense speculation, and Develop understands Nintendo is not showing the tech to all development partners in a bid to curb leaks.

An insider said the Wii 2 pad features a front-facing camera that can be used for in-game images. The person also corroborated a number of well-referenced rumours, such as the controller features a six-inch touch-screen, “possibly with a stylus”, as well as a standard button layout.
Develop could not obtain details of the Wii 2’s hardware specifications.

Nothing new from them, but there is an interesting comment from their source afterwards
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Develop’s source elsewhere speculated – but was not claiming to know – that Nintendo’s 3DS handheld could act as a replacement controller.

The functions are the same,” the source said. “It is a standard wireless controller added with a front-facing camera and touch screen. That sounds far too much like a 3DS to me. But I can’t confirm this, Nintendo is being very cautious about the details.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 20, 2011, 03:18:03 PM
That's one way to sell 3DS's. Make it the official controller of Wii 2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2011, 03:39:32 PM
Using the 3DS as an alternate 2nd, 3rd & 4th controller (for those that have their own already) would be great, except for the little overlooked "fact" that the Café controller is supposed to use Dual Analog and Nintendo didn't see it necessary to put that on the 3DS.

It could still work, obviously, epsecially if it was planned for ahead of time, and it's better than not having a 2nd, 3rd or 4th player because you didn't want to by more dedicated controllers, but it's still a minor inconvenience.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 20, 2011, 03:47:32 PM
The 3DS could be used for certain games as an extra controller if it was programmed into the game.  It most likely won't be a required feature.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 20, 2011, 03:48:21 PM
Is it still too early to discuss how we will be able to move or Virtual Cosnoe games from the Wii to the Super Wii? If not, I am assuming that Nintendo might modify the Club Nintendo account to carry over to the new system, but what if some one has never used the Club Nintendo to register their games? What I am assuming is some kind of transfer via the USB cables of the two devices similar to the Xbox 360.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 20, 2011, 03:48:54 PM
The 3DS could be used for certain games as an extra controller if it was programmed into the game.  It most likely won't be a required feature.
Batman the Brave and the Bold Cafe :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 20, 2011, 04:00:47 PM
Can we get another countdown reminder?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2011, 04:05:10 PM
Nintendo E3 Conference Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=Nintendo+E3+Conference&month=06&day=07&year=2011&hour=9&min=&sec=&p0=224)

edit: I also added it to my sig so you don't have to look for it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 20, 2011, 04:27:00 PM
That's one way to sell 3DS's. Make it the official controller of Wii 2.

$250 controllers for a $350 console? Ugh.

I guess on the bright side the Mario party franchise is canceled because there's no way 4 player local multiplayer could be afforded.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 20, 2011, 05:32:04 PM
Just a heads up. Nintendo stock just dipped below 30, making it the cheapest its been since before the Wii was announced. I just doubled down on it hoping that whatever they announce will bump it into the high 30's (where it usually resides). Unless what they announce is a flop, simply announcing games for the 3DS is sure to raise it back past 30. Get on it while its (not) hot.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 20, 2011, 09:56:54 PM
A good idea that I have for using the 3DS as a Cafe controller is for a game such as Call of Duty. Imagine using the 3DS to pilot a UAV and the augmented reality feature of the 3DS could be used could be used a Point of View for the very same UAV. The main CoD could then down load a feature onto the 3DS that allows Spotpassed reconnaisance for the very same game. How many people you spotpass(ed) determines how many enemies/targets are on the screen at one time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 20, 2011, 10:46:42 PM
Nintendo E3 Conference Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=Nintendo+E3+Conference&month=06&day=07&year=2011&hour=9&min=&sec=&p0=224)

edit: I also added it to my sig so you don't have to look for it.

I'm going to make another series of threads for these press conferences again once we get closer to them.  That was pretty fun last year having that on-the-fly commentary in recorded form.  Hopefully, things are much more civil this time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2011, 10:30:35 AM
If there's a front facing camera, then it's gonna have to be better than the VGA ones we've been putting up with thus far. I feel that most games using cameras (Wario Ware: Snapped comes to mind) require unrealistic lighting to play properly, and I don't know if camera resolution is to blame, but it cefrtainly doesn't help.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2011, 08:23:24 PM
Someone is either really dedicated at passing off a fake or....

Fake or not, this one keeps popping up
I'm also sure that this next pic is a fake, but this rumor thread don't discriminate.

http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg)

That screen doesn't look 6", but I like the ideas behind the screen in the controller.

Another pic
http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ZzLcf.jpg)

Innovation Reinvented

Project Cafe is simply the most development friendly SDK the industry has ever seen. Deliver unparalleled next generation performance at current generation cost. It doesn't get any easier than this.

-easy portability from PC, Xbox 360
-anytime live update past release
-Integrated Ai-Live framework

http://i.imgur.com/6BVpS.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/6BVpS.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/yNj6o.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/yNj6o.jpg)

Looks a little small in those pics according to the IGN rumor (about the size of the Original Xbox).
Actually it looks a little small regardless of what size IGN said. That thing looks to be a little smaller than a Wii.


These are obviously fake and the reflection looks very photoshopped in the first pic, but the light is on in both pics and the console is not even plugged in.
http://wii2blog.com/another-leaked-image-of-project-cafe/ (http://wii2blog.com/another-leaked-image-of-project-cafe/)
http://i.imgur.com/pfwYM.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/pfwYM.jpg)

They are really dedicated to passing off a fake

Look at the size of the cables in comparison to the disc drive slot.
Either this thing takes mini disc, or those are some super duper shielded cables.

Seriously, If this thing is fake (and I believe it is) then someone is really dedicated to passing it off as real

Developer "Project Café" demonstration.....

http://i56.tinypic.com/2w4k0zm.jpg (http://i56.tinypic.com/2w4k0zm.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgjES1oOTlc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgjES1oOTlc)

Or maybe it's real and we all just want to believe it's fake....

pretty sure it's fake though.


http://wii2blog.com/project-cafe-footage-is-definitely-fake/ (http://wii2blog.com/project-cafe-footage-is-definitely-fake/)
It's FAKE. just put put the final chapter on that book.
Quote
A French website gave students the challenge of creating a piece of multimedia work in order to bring 5000 views to the page. The winning prize went to two students for faking an event displaying Project Cafe. And when you click the link to their work it goes straight to the youtube video we’ve all been debating over.

This seems to be heavy evidence that this video is definitely fake.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 22, 2011, 03:19:36 AM
We were 90% certain it was fake already so it's good to be at about 99% now. :)
Title: Super Smash Brothers Café @ E3 2011?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2011, 09:59:57 PM
Super Smash Bros. Café @ E3?

(http://i.imgur.com/DZclR.jpg)
My body is ready (http://greatgamingcrusade.com/2011/04/28/rumor-next-smash-bros-game-to-be-shown-at-e3-2011/)

 ;D ;D

Quote
Although our sources within the industry are few and far between, we do have them and what they are telling us is that Nintendo will be showing off the next Super Smash Bros. game at this year’s E3. On top of that, it’s said that it will be shown for the Wii’s successor. We don’t yet know how true this is, so for now we’ll keep this as a rumor. We also would like to know if the game will be shown in video or playable form. Knowing that Kid Icarus: Uprising for the Nintendo 3DS is almost done, it’s quite possible that Masahiro Sakurai has been working on the next Super Smash Bros. title.
Here’s lookin’ at you E3 2011. I’m sure if this turns out to be true, there will be many a happy gamer at this year’s expo.

This is certainly good news. I've been playing Brawl quite a bit lately (& Excite Bots), so I look forward to Nintendo being able to showcase all of their franchises in HD through one game. We will literally be able to see ALL of Nintendo's franchises in HD including Earthbound (lol), Zelda, Metroid & Mario.

(http://i55.tinypic.com/24brdl1.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2011, 10:08:27 PM
Super Smash Bros. Café @ E3?
My body is ready (http://greatgamingcrusade.com/2011/04/28/rumor-next-smash-bros-game-to-be-shown-at-e3-2011/)

 ;D ;D

Quote
Although our sources within the industry are few and far between, we do have them and what they are telling us is that Nintendo will be showing off the next Super Smash Bros. game at this year’s E3. On top of that, it’s said that it will be shown for the Wii’s successor. We don’t yet know how true this is, so for now we’ll keep this as a rumor. We also would like to know if the game will be shown in video or playable form. Knowing that Kid Icarus: Uprising for the Nintendo 3DS is almost done, it’s quite possible that Masahiro Sakurai has been working on the next Super Smash Bros. title.
Here’s lookin’ at you E3 2011. I’m sure if this turns out to be true, there will be many a happy gamer at this year’s expo.

This is certainly good news. I've been playing Brawl quite a bit lately (& Excite Bots), so I look forward to Nintendo being able to showcase all of their franchises in HD through one game. We will literally be able to see ALL of Nintendo's franchises in HD including Earthbound (lol), Zelda, Metroid & Mario.

Image was here
Man when those Vehicles come out in their Robot Mode to smash people and turn into their Car/Animal mode to run away.. .Awesome.  On a serious note they would be cool Smash Characters.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 22, 2011, 10:51:15 PM
Remember what an amazing surprise it was to see Brawl at E3? The main show was over and done with, then what seemed like the last minute there was a private showing. Great moment to be a Nintendo fan!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2011, 11:56:43 PM
Actually, I didn't believe this could be possible, until I realized its a perfect way to show HD for a Nintendo system.  Will it be playable of course not.  It will be a video that shows what all of our beloved characters would look like in HD and fighting. 

I hope we get a different director and new blood designing the game though.  Hell, I would give it to Retro...that would be pretty amazing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 23, 2011, 12:21:00 AM
Having it in HD would not only make the graphics better, but also give more real estate for the viewers.
Title: Shinobi 3DS?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2011, 07:57:25 PM
Looks like Shinobi may be making it's way to 3DS courtesy of Griptonite Games
Shinobi 3DS anyone?

http://www.linkedin.com/in/brandenbrushett (http://www.linkedin.com/in/brandenbrushett) (via http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory (http://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory))
Quote
Branden Brushett's Experience
Envrionment Artist
Griptonite Games

November 2010 – Present (7 months)

Shinobi 3DS, and an Unannounced title

The profile has been edited since this news was made public earlier, but the quote above is exactly what it said this morning.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 24, 2011, 08:00:32 PM
It doesn't look like Griptonite Games has ever made anything, you know, GOOD.  But then it isn't like Sega has been doing anything good for a while either. ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2011, 08:04:11 PM
I actually shouldn't have even posted it in here since it' already been confirmed along with Sonic Generations.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 24, 2011, 10:07:05 PM
i miss the 1999 Sega
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 25, 2011, 05:39:17 PM
Apparently the development for Max Payne 3, The Agency and Spec Ops have been delayed until well past 2012. Could these games end up being launch titles for the Super Wii? Also, The Agency was a collaboration between Sony and Rockstar, which I believe has been cancelled. However, what if Rockstar has moved development to Nintendo's new console depending on how robust its online system is going to be once it is released.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/agent-max-payne-3-in-development-spec-ops-delayed (http://www.1up.com/news/agent-max-payne-3-in-development-spec-ops-delayed)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2011, 05:51:07 PM
Apparently the development for Max Payne 3, The Agency and Spec Ops have been delayed until well past 2012. Could these games end up being launch titles for the Super Wii? Also, The Agency was a collaboration between Sony and Rockstar, which I believe has been cancelled. However, what if Rockstar has moved development to Nintendo's new console depending on how robust its online system is going to be once it is released.
 
http://www.1up.com/news/agent-max-payne-3-in-development-spec-ops-delayed (http://www.1up.com/news/agent-max-payne-3-in-development-spec-ops-delayed)
If thats the case I sure hope its not a launch title.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 25, 2011, 07:31:14 PM
Could these games end up being launch titles for the Super Wii?

No, because there is never going to be a console called "Super Wii".
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 25, 2011, 08:45:12 PM
Could these games end up being launch titles for the Super Wii?

No, because there is never going to be a console called "Super Wii".

Chozo, we seem to get into tired and defeated arguments too easily, so let's just let everyone call the console whatever they want until the seventh of next month.  ;D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 25, 2011, 09:08:40 PM
The console is being developed under the name "Project Cafe" that's all we know about it at this point. The name may change prior to launch, and it probably will seeing how that's how Nintendo usually does it. The Wii used to be called Revolution; Gamecube used to be called Dolphin; N64 used to be called Ultra 64; but I don't know about the SNES or NES.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 25, 2011, 09:15:33 PM
Who fucking cares!? If he wants to call it Wii2 or SuperWii or Café what difference does it make? We all know what he is referring to. Quit making a big deal out if it as if we already know the official name of the system. There has gotta be more interesting things you can nit pick about on the internet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 25, 2011, 10:37:00 PM
Mega Ultra Nintendo Wii System For Entertainment.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on May 25, 2011, 10:39:26 PM
Power Entertainment Nintendo Innovation System
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 25, 2011, 10:40:50 PM
I refuse to lower myself to childish bickering. Therefore I am going to call the next system the Super Wii.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Toruresu on May 25, 2011, 10:44:09 PM
Power Entertainment Nintendo Innovation System

P.E.N.I.S.?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on May 25, 2011, 10:45:14 PM
The Super Wii Cafe 2 360 Happy Funtime Entertainment Machine is going to be awesome.

Sega....        I want to get excited for a new Shinobi game but I wouldn't trust them to make a find the differences game anymore.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 25, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
I'm going to call it the Wiiii from now on. Wiiii = Wii II = Wii 2
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2011, 12:00:59 AM
There has gotta be more interesting things you can nit pick about on the internet.
We wouldn't have this problem if you would post more rumors. I, personally, blame you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2011, 12:23:05 AM
There has gotta be more interesting things you can nit pick about on the internet.
We wouldn't have this problem if you would post more rumors. I, personally, blame you.

(http://i55.tinypic.com/fd7ciu.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 26, 2011, 12:58:02 AM
Super Nintendo Wii Entertainment System Advance 64

SNWESA64

Super Evolved Wii Entertainment Revolution

S.E.W.E.R.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 26, 2011, 01:18:59 AM
There has gotta be more interesting things you can nit pick about on the internet.
We wouldn't have this problem if you would post more rumors. I, personally, blame you.

(http://i55.tinypic.com/fd7ciu.jpg)

Is it weird that I can hear the soundtrack to that clip?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2011, 07:51:41 PM
I have something for you to discuss

Zelda Universe rated by the ESRB
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp?title=zelda+universe (http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp?title=zelda+universe)



don't quote me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 26, 2011, 07:54:12 PM
Zelda Universe?  The **** is this?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 26, 2011, 07:59:30 PM
They were talking about Zelda Universe on the Penny Arcade forums.  Apparently it is quite old and the speculation is that it was some flash game on one of the old Zelda web sites.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2011, 08:03:29 PM
don't quote me....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 26, 2011, 08:04:43 PM
Well, if there's any one franchise of Nintendo's that could definitely be turned into an amazing MMO, it'd be Zelda. All of the different character races make for a fantastic starting point to entry. I'd be on board -- monthly fee and all. :)

I could definitely see the world of Hylia being expanded on, too. There's just so much one could do with this franchise as an MMO.  Same goes with Pokemon also.

Make it happen, Nintendo!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 26, 2011, 08:07:38 PM
Well, if there's any one franchise of Nintendo's that could definitely be turned into an amazing MMO, it'd be Zelda. All of the different character races make for a fantastic starting point to entry. I'd be on board -- monthly fee and all. :)

I could definitely see the world of Hylia being expanded on, too. There's just so much one could do with this franchise as an MMO.  Same goes with Pokemon also.

Make it happen, Nintendo!

Negative.  If there is one Nintendo franchise that lends itself to the MMO genre it's most definitely Pokemon.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 26, 2011, 08:16:50 PM
I'd be onboard that, too. Haha. Don't get me wrong. :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 26, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
Zelda Universe is going to be Nintendo's first MMORPG

Just like DC Universe Online, only with Zelda..
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on May 26, 2011, 09:56:08 PM
Power Entertainment Nintendo Innovation System

P.E.N.I.S.?

Ahh..I remember how funny that was back in 2006 :)

Good times on the forums then.

regarding that Smash rumor, while it would be cool to see, I just can't see myself getting hyped up for it. Every new Smash to come out, I play it less and less, I might just straight up skip the next one

^Spoilers to keep from being flamed by the hardcore players of said game^

And did BnM just LOL at my beloved Earthbound!? Sir, I demand satisfaction!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2011, 10:23:20 PM
I LOL @ EB because we all know it's not gonna happen.

I've never even played the game and I'm right beside everyone that has hoping for some sort of Mother Resurgence. I'm just not holding my breath waiting for it to happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 26, 2011, 11:11:13 PM
Never played it either. Kid carrying around a baseball bat and has psychic powers is way too japanese for me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 27, 2011, 12:19:58 AM
Isn't baseball widely known as America's past time? Stop stealing our ****, Japan.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2011, 12:38:37 PM
Baseball?
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m74/nickmitch889/american_flag_with_baseball.jpg)
American.


Psychic powers?
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m74/nickmitch889/johnny-carson-carnak.jpg)
American.


Little boys?
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m74/nickmitch889/chris_hansen.jpg)
Well, I'm sure HE'S American. . .
Title: Wii VC transferable to Café? HD versions getting made?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2011, 12:57:18 PM
Café Virtual Console to have HD remixes?
http://telewatcher.com/telewatching/rumor-project-cafe-virtual-console/ (http://telewatcher.com/telewatching/rumor-project-cafe-virtual-console/)
from the same Emily that was posting rumors at Gameolosophy (Pikmin & EO screenshots/3rd party dev list)

I think it's a horribly written article padded for word count, so
I will summarize instead:
-Some VC games get HD version made for Café like they got 3D versions on 3DS
-You will be able to transfer VC games to Café like DSi does to 3DS
-Some XBLA HD remixes will make the move
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
Café Virtual Console to have HD remixes?
http://telewatcher.com/telewatching/rumor-project-cafe-virtual-console/ (http://telewatcher.com/telewatching/rumor-project-cafe-virtual-console/)
from the same Emily that was posting rumors at Gameolosophy (Pikmin & EO screenshots/3rd party dev list)

I think it's a horribly written article padded for word count, so
I will summarize instead:
-Some VC games get HD version made for Café like they got 3D versions on 3DS
-You will be able to transfer VC games to Café like DSi does to 3DS
-Some XBLA HD remixes will make the move
I am not surprised by this at all.  Makes sense considering the 3DS move.  Now I hope this allows for Super Meatboy to go to its original planned platform.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2011, 02:30:25 PM
An HD Remix is a cheap recycling job that can get suckers to buy a game they already own for like a fourth time.  Of COURSE Nintendo is going to have that.

Though I was thinking about something when I was playing Chrono Trigger on the VC the other day.  In regards to TV formats the Wii is in the stone age.  Obviously Cafe will not be.  I figure the VC will just continue on Cafe.  But what happens with VC titles we bought on the Wii?  Aren't they going to look like balls on an HDTV?  Are they going to provide some way to upscale them?  I doubt any VC games you buy on Cafe are going to be restricted to a non-HD resolution.  So will I have to buy my old games again to get a better resolution?  How is it going to work?

Obviously retro games are going to look pixelated on an HDTV anyway but I wonder how this all going to be handled.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2011, 02:33:02 PM
An HD Remix is a cheap recycling job that can get suckers to buy a game they already own for like a fourth time.  Of COURSE Nintendo is going to have that.

Though I was thinking about something when I was playing Chrono Trigger on the VC the other day.  In regards to TV formats the Wii is in the stone age.  Obviously Cafe will not be.  I figure the VC will just continue on Cafe.  But what happens with VC titles we bought on the Wii?  Aren't they going to look like balls on an HDTV?  Are they going to provide some way to upscale them?  I doubt any VC games you buy on Cafe are going to be restricted to a non-HD resolution.  So will I have to buy my old games again to get a better resolution?  How is it going to work?

Obviously retro games are going to look pixelated on an HDTV anyway but I wonder how this all going to be handled.
However they look know will be what they look then.  I'm sure Nintendo will use the same emulators and just throw the system into Wii mode when its time to play those.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 27, 2011, 02:37:38 PM
I've been playing SNES games on my PS3. The greatest thing about it is that it upscales every game I throw at it to either 720p or 1080p (your pick).

It looks glorious coming out of my projector.

So I wouldn't worry about it looking like piss.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2011, 02:44:37 PM
I've been playing SNES games on my PS3. The greatest thing about it is that it upscales every game I throw at it to either 720p or 1080p (your pick).

It looks glorious coming out of my projector.

So I wouldn't worry about it looking like piss.
My biggest problem with the PS3 Upscaling is that sometimes it will decide that something needs to kick down to 720p from 1080i.  Which my screen doesn't support so it will just be green and seperated.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2011, 02:50:13 PM
Quote
  I've been playing SNES games on my PS3. The greatest thing about it is that it upscales every game I throw at it to either 720p or 1080p (your pick).

It looks glorious coming out of my projector.

So I wouldn't worry about it looking like piss.

Well that's the question.  Will it upscale or will Nintendo not offer that ability out of either laziness or ignorance?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 27, 2011, 03:06:46 PM
Well Nintendo is the largest or second largest company in Japan with a handful of strong partnerships with cutting edge technology leaders and thousands of fresh-thinking Nintendo faithful hoping/wishing/praying their CVs are picked, so I wouldn't consider them ignorant of anything. I'm sure they are well aware of upscaling.

Laziness...that's a possibility.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 27, 2011, 03:34:38 PM
The thought of high defintion remakes of Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess are just too damn appealing. Hell, remake all the VC titles into HD and I will gladly pay for them again. Also, add in Dreramcast support and I will them as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2011, 03:37:29 PM

An HD Remix is a cheap recycling job that can get suckers to buy a game they already own for like a fourth time.  Of COURSE Nintendo is going to have that.

Though I was thinking about something when I was playing Chrono Trigger on the VC the other day.  In regards to TV formats the Wii is in the stone age.  Obviously Cafe will not be.  I figure the VC will just continue on Cafe.  But what happens with VC titles we bought on the Wii?  Aren't they going to look like balls on an HDTV?  Are they going to provide some way to upscale them?  I doubt any VC games you buy on Cafe are going to be restricted to a non-HD resolution.  So will I have to buy my old games again to get a better resolution?  How is it going to work?

Obviously retro games are going to look pixelated on an HDTV anyway but I wonder how this all going to be handled.
Maybe they will do something like the GB Player and add custom borders, or special café social stuff on the side and the game screen off to another side.

Maybe they will just upscale the image to fit the screen and it look identical to what it does now

Maybe the VC game will just stream to the controller screen instead and will look perfectly fine at 480p with an icon/status bar at the top or bottom of the controller screen.

p.s. i typed this post over an hour ago and forgot to send it :(
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2011, 05:59:41 PM
Quote
Maybe the VC game will just stream to the controller screen instead and will look perfectly fine at 480p with an icon/status bar at the top or bottom of the controller screen.

If that was the only option that would SUCK.  If I want to play retro games on a handheld screen I'll go rebuy them all for the GBA and DS.  I want to play those games on a TV.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2011, 06:51:44 PM
Quote
Maybe the VC game will just stream to the controller screen instead and will look perfectly fine at 480p with an icon/status bar at the top or bottom of the controller screen.

If that was the only option that would SUCK.  If I want to play retro games on a handheld screen I'll go rebuy them all for the GBA and DS.  I want to play those games on a TV.

It would kinda suck if it were the only option, but as I pointed out, there are quite a few options and I think the one you quoted (stream to the controller) would be the most obvious pairing with how they are currently doing it right now, which is upscaling the image.

And the best things about streaming to the controller would be the possibility of streaming 4 separate VC games to 4 separate controllers,
or even splitting the 4 player split screen amongst the 4 controller screens for a nice game of Mario Kart 64/Goldeneye/PD64 while the split screen still happens up on the main screen at the same time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2011, 09:15:04 PM
Isn't baseball widely known as America's past time? Stop stealing our ****, Japan.

Haven't we taken things like Sushi, Mario, Pokemon, Karate, etc. from them? I think its a fair cultural exchange.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 27, 2011, 10:47:22 PM
Quote
  I've been playing SNES games on my PS3. The greatest thing about it is that it upscales every game I throw at it to either 720p or 1080p (your pick).

It looks glorious coming out of my projector.

So I wouldn't worry about it looking like piss.

Well that's the question.  Will it upscale or will Nintendo not offer that ability out of either laziness or ignorance?
If the system doesn't upscale, your tv will so stop worrying about it.
Title: The Last Story coming to Europe!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2011, 03:33:51 PM
The Last Story to leave Japan!?
looks like it could be headed to Europe
http://jrpgtribe.com/news/a-change-of-heart-from-nintendo-the-last-story-is-coming-to-europe/ (http://jrpgtribe.com/news/a-change-of-heart-from-nintendo-the-last-story-is-coming-to-europe/)
Quote
Our James McWhirter from over at the 3DS Tribe has some juicy gossip for us straight from the London MCM. Upon questioning the Nintendo representatives there this weekend, James was able to learn that we can expect to see The Last Story (Wii) released in Europe! It’s nice to see them change their minds about not releasing it here.

Let’s hope that we’ll see Pandora’s Tower released in Europe too.

..... NoA has a lot of announcement s to make at E3. This better be one of them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on May 28, 2011, 04:45:20 PM
I LOL @ EB because we all know it's not gonna happen.

I've never even played the game and I'm right beside everyone that has hoping for some sort of Mother Resurgence. I'm just not holding my breath waiting for it to happen.

I stopped holding out hope for that a long time ago, so my apologies as the joke flew way over my head.


An HD Remix is a cheap recycling job that can get suckers to buy a game they already own for like a fourth time.  Of COURSE Nintendo is going to have that.

I'm giving out my 2nd or 3rd applaud to this statement, as it's the most positive thing I can recall ever saying in my entire time on these boards.

To add my 2 cents to that topic, while it'd be a great idea in the sense that it could introduce older classics to a new generation who either;

-are ignorant little bitches and refuse to play old-school games because their NOT HD

-have no other means to check out the classics (in a legitimate way that allows the makers to fund future projects)

I personally don't feel the need to do so. I just find it rare that I'd want to re-experience one of the older games I've owned for years in HD, as if it would add anything to the experience. I'm stating this because I recently saw the new trailer for Ocarina of Time 3D and the entire time I thought "this looks exactly how I remember it". Yes, the textures are better, higher polygon count, plus it's in 3d (obviously) but it didn't thrill me into wanting to play the game again, or more importantly, purchase the game again. Through nostalgia tinted glasses, I remember Ocarina of Time as this gorgeous 3d game with visuals beyond anything out at that point in time. I know if I put the game on right now it'll be a blurry/jaggy mess, but still a good game that I'll be able to enjoy no matter how blurry.

tl;dr: HD remakes have their place and purpose but chances of me being into it are slim. Cite all the benefits you want (like PD fixing frame rate issues) but it's just not for me. I'll pass.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 28, 2011, 05:03:30 PM
I'm all for the HD remixes myself, so long as the prices are kept reasonable and the conversion is well-done.  For one thing, SD games for the most part look terrible on HD Televisions, so by giving these games that extra coat of paint it gives them much greater longevity.  It also allows for new controller inputs, the occasional bug fix, online multiplayer if it wasn't available previously, and little perks like trophy/achievement support to incentivise previous owners to go through the games again.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 28, 2011, 05:46:35 PM
The Last Story to leave Japan!?
looks like it could be headed to Europe
http://jrpgtribe.com/news/a-change-of-heart-from-nintendo-the-last-story-is-coming-to-europe/ (http://jrpgtribe.com/news/a-change-of-heart-from-nintendo-the-last-story-is-coming-to-europe/)
Quote
Our James McWhirter from over at the 3DS Tribe has some juicy gossip for us straight from the London MCM. Upon questioning the Nintendo representatives there this weekend, James was able to learn that we can expect to see The Last Story (Wii) released in Europe! It’s nice to see them change their minds about not releasing it here.

Let’s hope that we’ll see Pandora’s Tower released in Europe too.

..... NoA has a lot of announcement s to make at E3. This better be one of them.
Ah, ha. Finally. Maybe now we'll get an announcement from NoA at e3. A little over a week to go, folks! Excited much!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on May 29, 2011, 10:37:32 AM
Is it known yet if the Nintendo World Store in NYC will be holding an event? I'd love to go and experience the hype train 1st hand second hand, instead of checking in on the forums a day or two after the event for recaps.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 29, 2011, 10:52:51 AM
Is it known yet if the Nintendo World Store in NYC will be holding an event? I'd love to go and experience the hype train 1st hand second hand, instead of checking in on the forums a day or two after the event for recaps.
Why can't you watch it live with us online?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 29, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
Is it known yet if the Nintendo World Store in NYC will be holding an event? I'd love to go and experience the hype train 1st hand second hand, instead of checking in on the forums a day or two after the event for recaps.

Does no one read the news stories on the site?

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/26428

Quote from: The goddamned front page of this site.
Starting at 11 a.m. on June 7, Nintendo and StreetPass NYC will host an event featuring tournaments, E3 bingo, and AR cake. They will also showcase the Nintendo Press Conference, which begins at 12 p.m. EST, on a large screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 29, 2011, 01:07:44 PM
Of course! I read all the news the BnM posts in the thread.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 29, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
Oh, you're so banned.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on May 29, 2011, 02:25:01 PM
Is it known yet if the Nintendo World Store in NYC will be holding an event? I'd love to go and experience the hype train 1st hand second hand, instead of checking in on the forums a day or two after the event for recaps.
Why can't you watch it live with us online?

Cuz if there is no event to go to, I'll be at work and won't be able to watch it (i'm assuming it's on a weekday, I haven't checked the calendar to see when the 7th falls on)


Is it known yet if the Nintendo World Store in NYC will be holding an event? I'd love to go and experience the hype train 1st hand second hand, instead of checking in on the forums a day or two after the event for recaps.

Does no one read the news stories on the site?

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/26428

Quote from: The goddamned front page of this site.
Starting at 11 a.m. on June 7, Nintendo and StreetPass NYC will host an event featuring tournaments, E3 bingo, and AR cake. They will also showcase the Nintendo Press Conference, which begins at 12 p.m. EST, on a large screen.

No, no I don't. Haven't since PGC...

To be fair to the site, at the time I used PGC for all my nintendo news, then news went dry and I stumbled into the forums. I'd never been on a forum before and didn't "get it" at first, but eventually I read through some entertaining threads and realized news/and rumors were more regularly posted here, so I lurked until 2006

Sorry NWR..
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 29, 2011, 02:41:07 PM
I'm totally banning BnM so you all can't rely on him for news anymore. Or maybe I'll just start enforcing that ban on discussing video games in the forums I laid down a week or two ago. I'll drive traffic to the front page if I have to dismantle the forums entirely to do so I tells ya!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 30, 2011, 01:51:29 AM
Or just make the forum the front page.  Saves you time and effort.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2011, 11:30:59 AM
I'm totally banning BnM so you all can't rely on him for news anymore. Or maybe I'll just start enforcing that ban on discussing video games in the forums I laid down a week or two ago.

(http://i.imgur.com/4hyx0.gif)

I'll drive traffic to the front page if I have to dismantle the forums entirely to do so I tells ya!
Or just make the forum the front page.  Saves you time and effort.

[(http://i52.tinypic.com/2vab8u1.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on May 30, 2011, 02:28:03 PM
I'm totally banning BnM so you all can't rely on him for news anymore. Or maybe I'll just start enforcing that ban on discussing video games in the forums I laid down a week or two ago. I'll drive traffic to the front page if I have to dismantle the forums entirely to do so I tells ya!

I know your joking but NWR should just make BnM staff, or at least update the rumours post on NWR with the stuff he's posting
Title: Project Café Spec Sheet? Only time will tell.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
I'm just gonna drop this here.

(http://i.imgur.com/i3vXP.jpg)
originally posted on the consolewars forums (http://www.consolewars.de/messageboard/showthread.php/64615-Project-Cafe-Wii-Nachfolger?p=3707338&viewfull=1#post3707338), supposedly from a German Dev
No idea how reliable this is, but sometimes you just never know.


Chip names "Wolf" & "Fox"
Gecko & Flipper = Project Dolphin, Hollywood & Broadway = Revolution, Wolf & Fox = Project Café
Nonte of the chip names lead to anything directly related to them, but could we be seeing that next Gen Star Fox game that everyone has been wanting from Nintendo?
I figure all the 3Dmakes on 3DS are appetizers to a real update... at least that is what I hope.
OoT3D should wet the appetite for some Skyward Sword and StarFox64 3D should be the building block for a full 1080p Café update done internally by Nintendo themselves.


Custom RV770 w/ 1398 GFLOPs
The 360 is doing 240 GFLOPs at peak, so Café doing 1398 is almost 6x the performance of the 360 graphically. Also at 1398 GFLOPs it actually reaches the performance of 4890 which is above the 4770/4850 we were expecting.


Quad Core PPC CPU clocked @ 3.5Ghz
Original rumor called for a TriCore, but that could have just been early dev kits. Would certainly far outclass the 360 with not only a extra core, but all clocked higher and much more efficient. (I'll have to look up flops on Xenos or whatever the 360 CPU was called)


1.5GBs of RAM w/ 16MB of eDram
I would be happy with this amount. That is 3x as much as either current gen HD console. 512MB of fast system ram and 1GB of fast video RAM. Anything over 2GB was unrealistic if you ask me, so I would be happy with 1.5 (happier with 2GB though)


HDD included (250GB/320GB) & SD card expansion.
If that is the case, then let the 3rd party flood gates come crashing down. There will be no excuses as to why the Café couldn't and shouldn't receive each and every game that is not exclusive. I just hope it is a non-proprietary HDD (assuming any of this is true) that is easily user swappable like on PS3.


Bluray based Disc capable of 50GB (dual layer)
sounds good. exactly what was expected. Sticking with DVD would be a major oversight and a crippling feature when it's likely that MS will also join the High Density disc storage party that Bluray provides.



If this "Spec Sheet" turns out to be the real thing (and I'm not even suggesting that it is), then I wouldn't be disappointed in Nintendo's offerings based on what I'm seeing here. We would actually have a very VERY capable system. Something to truly be excited over.
Title: Re: Project Café Spec Sheet? Only time will tell.
Post by: broodwars on May 30, 2011, 03:18:06 PM
I'm just gonna drop this here.

(http://i.imgur.com/i3vXP.jpg)
originally posted on the consolewars forums, supposedly from a German Dev
No idea how reliable this is, but sometimes you just never know.

I notice that those specs don't seem to indicate that the device would play DVD or Blu-Ray movie/TV discs.  That seems like a rather annoying oversight if you don't already have a Blu-Ray player.  I definitely approve of that 250/320 GB storage, though.   ;D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 30, 2011, 03:23:24 PM
I'm relieved to see 2.5" hard drive with 250gb /320gb capacity is mentioned in those specs. This shoots down the previous rumor of it not having a hard drive. This is very good news, because there's no way it would be competitive with just SD cards for storage.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 30, 2011, 03:28:22 PM
That seems like a rather annoying oversight if you don't already have a Blu-Ray player.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo left it out, because in order to include it they would have to pay licensing fees to Sony which would cut into the profits they would make from the hardware. This is why they didn't allow DVD playback on the Wii because even though it would have been trivial to implement they would have been forced to pay $15 per Wii unit to the DVD consortium for the license to do that.

You can be sure Homebrew hackers will find a way to unofficially add Blu-ray/DVD movie playback though... ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2011, 03:33:07 PM
I updated my post with my thoughts on the "spec sheet"

Also, I think Nintendo should just have an app you can buy that unlocks the Bluray playback. The cost of the app would cover the Licensing fee and only those that would use it would pay for it. Win/Win situation and all parties involved are happy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 30, 2011, 03:57:15 PM
HDD included (250GB/320GB) & SD card expansion.
If that is the case, then let the 3rd party flood gates come crashing down. There will be no excuses as to why the Café couldn't and shouldn't receive each and every game that is not exclusive. I just hope it is a non-proprietary HDD (assuming any of this is true) that is easily user swappable like on PS3.

I'm thinking Nintendo may go with a proprietary hard drive just for anti-homebrew/piracy concerns. They sure don't want what happened to the PS3 to happen to their next console. Fortunately though, 250gb/320gb should be plenty, especially with the ability to expand it via SD. I'm just relieved its not the mere 8gb of onboard flash like an older rumor suggested...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 30, 2011, 04:01:10 PM
HDD included (250GB/320GB) & SD card expansion.
If that is the case, then let the 3rd party flood gates come crashing down. There will be no excuses as to why the Café couldn't and shouldn't receive each and every game that is not exclusive. I just hope it is a non-proprietary HDD (assuming any of this is true) that is easily user swappable like on PS3.

I'm thinking Nintendo may go with a proprietary hard drive just for anti-homebrew/piracy concerns. They sure don't want what happened to the PS3 to happen to their next console. Fortunately though, 250gb/320gb should be plenty, especially with the ability to expand it via SD. I'm just relieved its not the mere 8gb of onboard flash like an older rumor suggested...

Well, let's keep in mind that this is still just a rumor, much like the 8 GB of storage one was.  We'll know the truth when Reggie steps on-stage at E3.  I will certainly be happy if that spec were true, though.  It's hard to say how much space games will take in the future as game development changes in the coming years, but 250 GB and 320 GB sounds like more than enough to me (and we'd better not see an insane download size restriction that negates this).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on May 30, 2011, 04:35:53 PM
Also, I think Nintendo should just have an app you can buy that unlocks the Bluray playback. The cost of the app would cover the Licensing fee and only those that would use it would pay for it. Win/Win situation and all parties involved are happy.

They could do that, but I think we'd be more likely to see the situation the original Xbox had - you bought the remote and it unlocked DVD playback. Hell, Nintendo's already making remote-like devices, so it wouldn't be too hard for them to switch a line over to full BR remote functionality.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 30, 2011, 04:46:11 PM
But what about DVD playback? If Nintendo is going to allow Blu-ray then what about DVD? The thing I'm wondering is wouldn't they have to pay two separate licensing fees in order to enable both?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2011, 04:47:25 PM
If your controller already has a 6" touch screen in and maybe an IR port, then you potentially already have the best possible Universal remote (with a customizable touch interface) and one that will certainly work perfectly with your Café. (No IR and you still have a touch screen remote)

Either way, buying a remote or buying an App, the outcome is the same. Nintendo provides the drive, the consumer pays for the license to allow Movie Playback.

And I think the app route would be the better route to take for various reasons.
1. It get the user online to purchase and download the app.
now you have a consumer that is online capable and has already familiarized them selves with the online app/ware store

2. It allows you to keep your Café controller within reach whenever using the TV which would allow for a smooth transition into a game or other social features that the Café touch screen controller will provide.

By needing yet another remote control on the table is more of a hassle than necessary when they provide you with a better one out of the box.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2011, 06:26:48 PM
Here's hoping for Blu-Ray playback. I'm buying a Cafe without a doubt, but I'd like to have a Blu-Ray player handy. As for the other specs, I hope all this turns out to be true. With the horse power there, all Nintendo has to do is get enough 3rd party exclusives to bring back the hardcore crowd.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 30, 2011, 06:33:53 PM
I read them specs and I was like "WHHAAAAAT?! Are you serious Nintendo?" Them GigaFlopz be crazy like you never SEEN.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 30, 2011, 06:41:20 PM
I don't think we could realistically hope for better specs than that, so I hope that's true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2011, 06:53:35 PM
If your controller already has a 6" touch screen in and maybe an IR port, then you potentially already have the best possible Universal remote (with a customizable touch interface) and one that will certainly work perfectly with your Café. (No IR and you still have a touch screen remote)

Either way, buying a remote or buying an App, the outcome is the same. Nintendo provides the drive, the consumer pays for the license to allow Movie Playback.

And I think the app route would be the better route to take for various reasons.
1. It get the user online to purchase and download the app.
now you have a consumer that is online capable and has already familiarized them selves with the online app/ware store

2. It allows you to keep your Café controller within reach whenever using the TV which would allow for a smooth transition into a game or other social features that the Café touch screen controller will provide.

By needing yet another remote control on the table is more of a hassle than necessary when they provide you with a better one out of the box.

3. The possibility of taking the movie with you into any room like the DirectTV commercials, only here you don't even have to pause it.

Imagine watching a movie with the family and you run out of popcorn and/or soda, need to grab a blanket or maybe need to goto the bathroom. Now you don't even need to pause it and interrupt everyone else's movie watching experience. You can stream to the controller and not miss a second while you are out of the room and still be watching the same movie at the same time as everyone else.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 30, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
If your controller already has a 6" touch screen in and maybe an IR port, then you potentially already have the best possible Universal remote (with a customizable touch interface) and one that will certainly work perfectly with your Café. (No IR and you still have a touch screen remote)

Either way, buying a remote or buying an App, the outcome is the same. Nintendo provides the drive, the consumer pays for the license to allow Movie Playback.

And I think the app route would be the better route to take for various reasons.
1. It get the user online to purchase and download the app.
now you have a consumer that is online capable and has already familiarized them selves with the online app/ware store

2. It allows you to keep your Café controller within reach whenever using the TV which would allow for a smooth transition into a game or other social features that the Café touch screen controller will provide.

By needing yet another remote control on the table is more of a hassle than necessary when they provide you with a better one out of the box.

3. The possibility of taking the movie with you into any room like the DirectTV commercials, only here you don't even have to pause it.

Imagine watching a movie with the family and you run out of popcorn and/or soda, need to grab a blanket or maybe need to goto the bathroom. Now you don't even need to pause it and interrupt everyone else's movie watching experience. You can stream to the controller and not miss a second while you are out of the room and still be watching the same movie at the same time as everyone else.

Wow, if all this turns out be true then all I would need is that guy from Futurama announcing, 'Welcome, to the world of tomorrow!'...and pants would be shat.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2011, 09:27:13 PM
That feature would work great with the 3DS (imagine conecting your Club Nintendo and Netflix accounts). I think the problem with it working with the controller would be the memory needed for it. Might drive the costs up a bit too high.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2011, 09:33:20 PM
It's already rumored to stream to the controllers. I would just assume that each controller has everything necessary to make that a seamless experience included from the get-go.

If this controller does everything I think it might, $70 might not be too much to ask, as long as there is plenty of software to support the usage of the touchscreen and therefore justify the price.


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Parental Controls (Spectator Mode).
A parent could pick up a spare controller (assuming all 4 aren't being used) and see & hear what is being played on the console regardless of if it's a game, internet browser or a movie.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on May 30, 2011, 09:47:12 PM
SEVENTY DOLLARS PER CONTROLLER *IS* TOO MUCH TO ASK.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on May 30, 2011, 09:51:00 PM
SEVENTY DOLLARS PER CONTROLLER *IS* TOO MUCH TO ASK.

GET N OR GET OUT
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 30, 2011, 10:11:01 PM
speaking of movies, i always liked the wii channel interface, and would love to see some sort of ala carte television programming with a similar interface
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on May 30, 2011, 10:12:26 PM
It is ashamed if Cafe controllers were that much.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2011, 10:23:43 PM
Truth is that they just might be, as Wiimotes cost that much (without a 6" touch screen), but no one was really complaining all that much. But you did get to buy those in pieces, so the true cost wasn't always paid upfront.


Dual Shock 3 used to cost something like $50 and that doesn't even have all the tech of the wiimote. So a Café pad with a 6" touch screen, accelerometers, wireless streaming tech all the standard buttons and sticks, rumble, bluetooth, etc. for $70 doesn't really seem like too much to ask if it works like I imagine it does.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 31, 2011, 12:19:09 AM
I'm game. Let's do this.

One week to go. :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on May 31, 2011, 12:21:52 AM
$70 controllers (for that matter, anything more than $50, which is already pretty ridiculous for current gen controllers) is probably a deal-breaker for me.  Considering the price of the console; the retail games; and the download games, I just can't afford controllers that expensive (especially if that price is there to support a feature I don't want to use, like the supposed touchscreen functionality).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: RABicle on May 31, 2011, 12:24:03 AM
Hey guys just thinking aloud here.

Rumours around the Apple world is that Apple want to move their MacBook and MacBook Air lines onto ARM processors, this goes with the sub rumor that ARM want to expand into the high end computer processor market. ARM currently power the iPhone, iPad, DS and 3DS.

It's certainly what ARM would need to enter the market; a large order from a big company. So what are the chances of Nintendo, considering their history with ARM, going with them in project Cafe? I know history suggests an IBM/AMD combo but by this point in the Wii's history they had already been confirmed as the chip manufacturers, we only have rumours this time.

I understand that ARM don't actually make processors themselves, just design them, so I guess that still leaves a manufacture open...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 31, 2011, 12:31:25 AM
ARM is currently way too weak if Nintendo is actually serious about exceeding or even closing the current performance gap, though I could see them powering the alleged remote screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2011, 12:35:26 AM
Wii Remote and nunchuck were $60, $80 with Motion Plus ($60 for the new remotes and nunchuck). $70 is pretty steep, but not totally unreasonable. They should aim for $60. Still pricey, but if the controller is as loaded as rumors suggest, it's not a bad deal.
So what are the chances of Nintendo, considering their history with ARM, going with them in project Cafe?
I believe the main strength of ARM processors is their lower power consumption which is why they're normally found in mobile devices. Would Nintendo need that for a home console that is meant to be plugged in all the time?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: RABicle on May 31, 2011, 12:47:40 AM
Fueling the rumour was also that Microsoft demoed Windows 8 written for ARM at CES.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 12:48:09 AM
Hey guys just thinking aloud here.
I know history suggests an IBM/AMD combo but by this point in the Wii's history they had already been confirmed as the chip manufacturers, we only have rumours this time.

But IBM pretty much said they were making a chip for Nintendo's next Gen Console. [link (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565)]
In the same interview they said that Cell tech has been integrated in all their PPC designs... so I'm pretty sure Café will have an IBM/AMD combination for the console.
But like MegaByte said, ARM could be a possibility for the controller itself.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 31, 2011, 03:54:17 AM
SEVENTY DOLLARS PER CONTROLLER *IS* TOO MUCH TO ASK.

It isn't that bad if you consider that's about what it costs to buy both a wiimote and chuck.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on May 31, 2011, 04:04:29 AM
Sigh, the Cafe most likely with be able to playback netflix HD 720 like MS but don't expect to have an Blu-ray player, nintendo would have to pay royalities to Sony and I don't see that happening.  Sure it might have an blue-laser drive but that where it ends. 

Maybe Nintendo will buy the rights to HD DVD :0--that wouldn't be an bad move considering there's already "used" equipment and materials out on the market cheap.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tanookisuit on May 31, 2011, 09:17:50 AM
I don't want Cafe to play Blu-Rays.  I have a Blu-Ray player, and I hardly use it.  Streaming is where it's at.  As long as Cafe has Netflix and other future streaming services, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 31, 2011, 09:31:17 AM
Yeah, Blu-ray playback doesn't matter to me at all. I own a PS3 but I never once used, or even considered using, it to play Blu-ray movies. Instead of spending $30 on a single Blu-ray movie you can just get Netflix which is even better, and I'm sure the Cafe will support Netflix because even the Wii does. If you have that why do you even need Blu-ray?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Even the 3DS will have Netflix support
http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/games

But that's exactly why if the Café has a bluray based drive, the bluray playback should be unlocked through an app. I might want to unlock it someday, but I have no interest in bluray as a movie format at this time. No need to pay that licensing fee upfront for something I may never use.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 31, 2011, 10:32:56 AM
These specs look great and if they are they case then that 8gb of Storage might just be Nintendo telling people higher ups that at most a game can take 8gb of Harddrive space, which is completely legit size limit though WoW takes over 16gb if memory serves but its WoW, which gets chewed down and gets told to the people doing the work as its only got 8gb of space.   

Their is a statement, I believe it was an Iwata ask but I know it was Iwata, that Nintendo would really like to get to the point where you press a button and everything is ready to go for you to game.  That level of ease of use.  With the Controller rumored to having IR this becomes more of a reality.  I would be ecstatic, but not surprised, to see that the ScreenCube Controller could be a Universal Remote.  Now on to some capabilities.

Stats wise that looks good.  If Nintendo wants my PS3 to stop being the most generally used console then they are going to have to be Video Playback options and if I have to pay more for them then they better be better.  Here is the min List:

1. Blu-Ray Playback
2. DVD Playback
3. Netflix
4. DLNA (Which enables watching Hulu and a few other items vy PlayOn)

That is what my PS3 is currently doing for me and it does it well.  That is the Minimum.  Now beyond that.

1. Regular Hulu Playback
2. DVR for Over The Air, Cable, etc.

Need to be able to output Blu-Ray 3D and stay up to date with the Standard.  The controls themselves would need to be solid and intuitive to a non-gamer and preferably a 3 year old.  Also Optical out support be nice, everything but my Wii uses that for sound (Yes even the external TV Tuner).  That would get it into the PS3 covenant position of General Media Center.

Also locking into 1080i when you say that your TV supports 480i, 480p, and 1080i.  Sometimes the PS3 will jump to 720p for a little bit for no reason and become a useless shadowy green screen.

I don't want to get too hopeful because, well, I feel like we will be disappointed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 11:04:44 AM
If your controller already has a 6" touch screen in and maybe an IR port, then you potentially already have the best possible Universal remote (with a customizable touch interface) and one that will certainly work perfectly with your Café. (No IR and you still have a touch screen remote)

Either way, buying a remote or buying an App, the outcome is the same. Nintendo provides the drive, the consumer pays for the license to allow Movie Playback.

And I think the app route would be the better route to take for various reasons.
1. It get the user online to purchase and download the app.
now you have a consumer that is online capable and has already familiarized them selves with the online app/ware store

2. It allows you to keep your Café controller within reach whenever using the TV which would allow for a smooth transition into a game or other social features that the Café touch screen controller will provide.

By needing yet another remote control on the table is more of a hassle than necessary when they provide you with a better one out of the box.

3. The possibility of taking the movie with you into any room like the DirectTV commercials, only here you don't even have to pause it.

Imagine watching a movie with the family and you run out of popcorn and/or soda, need to grab a blanket or maybe need to goto the bathroom. Now you don't even need to pause it and interrupt everyone else's movie watching experience. You can stream to the controller and not miss a second while you are out of the room and still be watching the same movie at the same time as everyone else.

4. Parental Controls (Spectator Mode).
A parent could pick up a spare controller (assuming all 4 aren't being used) and see & hear what is being played on the console regardless of if it's a game, internet browser or a movie.

5. BD Live (Movie information/Commentary/Interactive Games)
After you download the App it could turn the remote/controller into your BD Live Display Panel where it displays information about the movie and optionally director/etc commentary, "interactive" games and all that other stuff they advertise for Bluray (that I'm sure almost no one uses since it has to be done with your BR Remote) since now it won't actually interfere with the actual movie while it's playing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 31, 2011, 11:22:04 AM
I do love me some Infotrac.  Especially the Dr. Who ones.  Those are excellent.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 31, 2011, 12:15:12 PM
Quote
Their is a statement, I believe it was an Iwata ask but I know it was Iwata, that Nintendo would really like to get to the point where you press a button and everything is ready to go for you to game.

This isn't a new concept.  The NES works like this.  Pop the game in, flick the switch and the game is ready to go... in theory.  We'll discount all the blinking lights and blowing on the cartridge.
 
If Nintendo wants to do this then they have to get rid of their annoying mandatory warning messages.  With the complexity of videogame systems these days, particularly with internet connections and hard drive storage space, you have to have SOME sort of menu.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 31, 2011, 12:39:58 PM
Quote
Their is a statement, I believe it was an Iwata ask but I know it was Iwata, that Nintendo would really like to get to the point where you press a button and everything is ready to go for you to game.

This isn't a new concept.  The NES works like this.  Pop the game in, flick the switch and the game is ready to go... in theory.  We'll discount all the blinking lights and blowing on the cartridge.
 
If Nintendo wants to do this then they have to get rid of their annoying mandatory warning messages.  With the complexity of videogame systems these days, particularly with internet connections and hard drive storage space, you have to have SOME sort of menu.
There is a misinterpretation here.  I'll use the NES for example.

NES (Minimum)
1. NES ON
2. TV ON

What Nintendo wants:
1. NES ON
1a. Turns on TV
1b. Turns on Reciever
1c. Set all inputs to correct position

They want to get you right into the action, well the menu in anything beyond GCN.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on May 31, 2011, 01:42:43 PM
This is possible, though they'd have to create a controller that serves as a universal remote with macro support.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 01:45:41 PM
As I've already stated, if the controller has a 6" touch screen, you should be able customize the remote to whatever it's function need to be using the touchscreen.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 31, 2011, 01:49:06 PM
If the controller does indeed cost $70 it would be more than worth it if it is something that you can program to use for anything and everything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 31, 2011, 01:52:53 PM
*Generic super hero struggling noise*

Can't...over hype myself...Hype train too unrealistic...Skepticism...need skepticism...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 31, 2011, 02:03:27 PM
*Generic super hero struggling noise*

Can't...over hype myself...Hype train too unrealistic...Skepticism...need skepticism...
Channel your inner Ian.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 02:08:54 PM
If the controller does indeed cost $70 it would be more than worth it if it is something that you can program to use for anything and everything.

What if that turns out to be the surprise hidden feature.

The Wiimote was designed to look and work like a remote control...
but the Café Controller will actually replace all the other controllers in your home.

One Controller to Control them ALL!!!

Would that be a considered a MAJOR function? Would that be enough to get alot of people HYPED up over the new controller? Would that get YOU hyped up over the controller? Knowing that it is fully programmable that is.


edit:
And this isn't a new idea. Remember the idea of being able to change the function of your buttons while in the game without having to pause. Some on-the-fly function changing. This is very similar.

Think switching spells/items in an ARPG like Zelda, or switching button functions like The Conduit or programming special moves in Street Fighter.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 31, 2011, 02:13:08 PM
If the controller does indeed cost $70 it would be more than worth it if it is something that you can program to use for anything and everything.

What if that turns out to be the surprise hidden feature.

The Wiimote was designed to look and work like a remote control...
but the Café Controller will actually replace all the other controllers in your home.

One Controller to Control them ALL!!!


Would that be a considered a MAJOR function? Would that be enough to get alot of people HYPED up over the new controller? Would that get YOU hyped up over the controller?

At $70 (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Universal-Remote-Screen/dp/B001M5U5AC/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1306865497&sr=8-6), yeah I say it would be.  Of course it would have to program easy as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 31, 2011, 02:34:21 PM
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What Nintendo wants:
1. NES ON
1a. Turns on TV
1b. Turns on Reciever
1c. Set all inputs to correct position

That seems like some pretty complex stuff to have in one function.  Wouldn't you need to do some setup to get your TV and everything to work with the one button design?  And if you are smart enough to do this aren't you smart enough to just, you know, turn your TV on and set it to the right input and everything?  That's kind of a cool feature and all but does Nintendo honestly think this is some major barrier that casuals can't overcome?  If little kids can figure it out any adult that can drive a car, use a phone, or just function in society in the bare minimum way can do it.  And if this TV stuff is too hard for you to figure out then handhelds are already there and they're one button and you're on your way.
 
It's a convenient feature but that is all Nintendo should ever consider it as.  There is no one out there who would have bought a Wii but didn't because they didn't feel like fussing around with their TV.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 02:48:41 PM
It's all about simplification and ease of use.

If I can have just my Café controller on the table, then that is a constant reminder to use my Café.
To replace my TV remote, Cable Box remote, DVD remote, Stereo Remote, VCR remote and whatever other remote I may have sitting on my coffee table to only need my Café remote is a pretty big deal towards simplifying everything and getting you to use your Café everyday.

I currently have my Comcast remote that controls the TV, Cable Box & DVD, then a separate remote for my surround sound, but i still need my TV remote & DVD remote near by because the Comcast remote is limited in it's compatibility (does only the basic functions).

Simplicity and Convenience is key here. and that leads to you hopefully playing more games more often.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 31, 2011, 02:56:33 PM
Quote
What Nintendo wants:
1. NES ON
1a. Turns on TV
1b. Turns on Reciever
1c. Set all inputs to correct position

That seems like some pretty complex stuff to have in one function.  Wouldn't you need to do some setup to get your TV and everything to work with the one button design?  And if you are smart enough to do this aren't you smart enough to just, you know, turn your TV on and set it to the right input and everything?  That's kind of a cool feature and all but does Nintendo honestly think this is some major barrier that casuals can't overcome?  If little kids can figure it out any adult that can drive a car, use a phone, or just function in society in the bare minimum way can do it.  And if this TV stuff is too hard for you to figure out then handhelds are already there and they're one button and you're on your way.
 
It's a convenient feature but that is all Nintendo should ever consider it as.  There is no one out there who would have bought a Wii but didn't because they didn't feel like fussing around with their TV.
I actually know people who are like that.
Yes, their be setup.  Their is also setup with Online.  A good remote that does what I said above costs about $140 and people are willing to buy it and program it.  They do this for their Mom's, Wife's, Kids, Husbands, even themselves because it's just that nice.  Its like getting a cheap couch its cheap and works but its not comfortable.  Trust me once you have something setup like that you wonder why you never had it before and what will you do if you lose it.  If I had more money than I get a remote and program it.  Here's my current from scratch to game.

1. Turn on TV (The remote is always lost by my wife)
2. Turn on Switch Box (The remote is always lost by my wife)
2a. Switch to Wii
3. Turn on Reciever (The remote is always lost by my wife)
3a. Switch to TV (The Wii is the only thing that is not Optical and on the Digital channel)
4. Turn on Wii

All that in 1 click be awesome.  With a little investment I could probably get it to

1. Start Wii Game Button
1a. Turn on TV
1b. Turn on Switch
1b1. Switch to Wii
1c. Turn on Reciever
1c1. Switch to TV
2. Turn on Wii

Which would be 2 remotes 2 clicks.
 
Note:  Everything on my TV goes through Component that why you don't see the TV having its inputs switched.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 31, 2011, 05:12:24 PM
Ceric, I think you and your wife need a rule in the house for where the remote goes. ;)

So do these people that don't buy a Wii because of the TV connection tomfoolery own a DVD player or have digital cable or at some point in their lives owned a VCR?  That's the same barrier.  To accept one but not the other is unreasonable.

But then I never felt anyone TRULY was confused by normal videogame controllers, they were just being stubborn.  If you can drive a car you can use a twin analog stick controller.  They DECIDED it was confusing and refused to try.  My attitude is usually if you're going to be unreasonable then you don't get to participate.  Sorry, this minor amount of effort is required to play videogames and if you refuse to try, we're not including you.  But I understand how from a business perspective Nintendo figured it was a good idea to cater to these people.

Still if I, who is willing to go through the miniscule amount of effort required to operate a console controller and figure out how to turn my videogame system on, has to pay extra for such a feature, that's kind of bullshit.  Why should I have to subsidize people that I feel are completely unreasonable in their REFUSAL to learn something that would take them literally one minute to figure out if they just put the slightest effort into it?

This is what pissed me off about the Wii.  Here I had been a loyal customer for over ten years and I had to compromise this and that and this and that to accomodate people that didn't give a **** and had never made the slightest effort to even try to give videogames a chance.  If I have to pay for expensive screen controllers this time around, well they better provide something substantial and not just be some meaningless gimmick that appeals to casuals.

This is why videogame systems don't come with dance pads and guitar controllers.  Those have such limited functionality that it makes no sense for them to raise the cost of the base system.  Every thing included on that standard controller should be something you NEED, as in the vast majority of games absolutely require them.  And shoehorning to create artifical need does not count.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 31, 2011, 06:21:44 PM
Mostly its because they have already set up their system and the introduction of something new would be to much of a hassle for the perceived benefit.  Also the Universal uber remote is a proven concept people pay $140+ for.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 31, 2011, 06:24:31 PM
A universal remote would be interesting but I don't think it would affect any sales positively or negatively, at least not until more relevant competition comes out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 31, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
That seems like some pretty complex stuff to have in one function.  Wouldn't you need to do some setup to get your TV and everything to work with the one button design?

The touch screen on the controller would certainly make it easier to configure it to work with various devices. Heck, Nintendo could probably fill it with all the necessary codes and all you need to do is just enter in the make and model of your TV and so on via the touch screen and thats all that you'd need to do so anyone could do it. It would be much easier than programming a regular remote, because a regular remote doesn't have a touch screen. That's the one thing that makes programming remotes difficult is that there is no display so you can see or know what you are doing. At best remotes have a red LED which may light up or blink to assist you in programming, but that is difficult for many people to grasp.

Nintendo could make it even easier yet by having a tutorial built into the controller itself to guide people through the process. Heck, Mario (voiced by Charles Martinet) could even be the guide of the tutorial. If there's an error Mario could exclaim "Mama Mia!" in his trademark voice, but if the process is completed successfully he could say "WAAA HOO! HERE WE GO!"
Title: 21 Rumors & A Bet To Back Them Up
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 08:33:35 PM
Emily Rogers, the "journalist" that admitted to sleeping with a Nintendo insider for insider information, and the same "journalist" that brought us

More Rumors! Wii2, 3DS, E3, Oh Yes!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667939#msg667939)
Rareware to make 3DS games? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669156#msg669156)
Project Cafe E3 Publishers List? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670039#msg670039)
Pikmin 3 & Endless Ocean 3 screenshots? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672082#msg672082)
Wii VC transferable to Café? HD versions getting made? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg674961#msg674961)

Has now decided to make a bet with the Internet at large.
She says she posted 18 Rumors (I counted 21)that will either prove to be true or she'll never post an article again... EVER!!!! (and probably stop sleeping with her "Nintendo Insider" too)
Atleast until everything comes true....

http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/lets-make-a-bet/ (http://gameolosophy.com/consoles/lets-make-a-bet/)
Quote
Nintendo 3DS
*Paper Mario 3DS coming before Christmas (Before end of 2011)

*Animal Crossing 3DS coming before Christmas (Before end of 2011)

*Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance coming before Christmas (Before end of 2011)

*Mario Kart 3DS coming before Christmas (Before end of 2011)

* Metal Gear Solid 3DS coming before Christmas (Before end of 2011)

* Mario Bros 2D platformer is in development for 3DS.  (No release date I know of)

* Metroid 3DS is in development for 3DS.    (No release date I know of)

Nintendo Wii
* Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword will be re-confirmed to come before Christmas (Before end of 2011).

* Kirby for Wii will get release date and proper trailer.  Also coming before Christmas (Before end of 2011)

* Xenoblade Chronicles and The Last Story coming to the U.S. before end of 2011.

Project Café
* There will be over 20 playable games for the new Nintendo console at the show floor.

*I guarantee Pikmin 3 for the new Nintendo console at E3.  I was the first person to say Pikmin 3 for the new Nintendo console.  I was the first person to say it would be at E3 and I’m sticking with my sources on this one.

*Soul Calibur 5 is a launch game for Project Cafe.  It will be on the show floor.  Will have exclusive content.  Nintendo pushed Namco to make Soul Calibur 5 become Project Cafe’s fighting game for launch the same way that Street Fighter 3DS became the flagship fighting launch title for Nintendo 3DS.

*Ubisoft wants to launch with at least 3 games at Project Cafe’s launch. 

*You will see Nintendo sway more toward Western publishers than Eastern/Asian publishers.  Nintendo feels that Eastern/Japanese publishers have lost their persuasion over the gaming market.  They don’t feel japanese publishers have the appeal to gamers like they did years ago.  They feel companies like Activision, Bioware, 2K Games, Rockstar, Blizzard, Valve, Electronic Arts, are dominating the gaming industry.  Nintendo feels that North America is a more important gaming market than Japan and they will go to the publishers that appeal the most to North America.  Nintendo no longer considers Japan to be as important of a market as they use to believe.

*Nintendo wants to launch the console with a big first person shooter that has a lot of mass appeal.  They realize that is a popular genre in North America.  Expect a few big FPS games at E3. Nintendo is not stupid when it comes to the appeal of first person shooters.  They understand the appeal.  That’s why they persuaded companies to like Ubisoft to make Red Steel or persuaded Activision to make Goldeneye 007 for Wii.

*The team that worked on Smash Bros 64, Smash Bros Melee, and Smash Bros Brawl transferred the assets of the game to another developer to work on it. The original Smash Bros team is not working on this new Smash Bros title.

*Rockstar is working on something for Project Cafe.  It will most likely not be revealed at E3 because Rockstar normally doesn’t reveal stuff at E3.

* No harddrive.  Nintendo chose to go with a cheaper alternative way of storage.  This is a fact.  Sorry if you’re disappointed.  Nintendo would have to make a special deal with a harddrive manufacturer, and they decided not to.

* You will be able to transfer some of your downloadable content (Wiiware/VC games) from Wii 1 to the new Nintendo console.

* Much more improved online system.  Nintendo went to another company to help them with their online gaming services.

Who doesn't love a good bet where you have nothing to lose and only everything to gain.
Title: Metroid Café Screenshot!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 09:18:56 PM
New Metroid Café Game Screen Shot or Interesting Fake?
you be the judge. (I say fake, but it still looks good)

(http://i.imgur.com/9huBj.jpg)
http://wii2blog.com/a-metroid-screenshot/ (http://wii2blog.com/a-metroid-screenshot/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 31, 2011, 09:23:27 PM
I hope its fake because it looks like another Sakamoto abortion. Look at the Other M styled Samus and that pointer which suggests motion control aiming.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2011, 09:24:25 PM
I say fake because that Samus model looks awful.
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*You will see Nintendo sway more toward Western publishers than Eastern/Asian publishers.  Nintendo feels that Eastern/Japanese publishers have lost their persuasion over the gaming market.  They don’t feel japanese publishers have the appeal to gamers like they did years ago.  They feel companies like Activision, Bioware, 2K Games, Rockstar, Blizzard, Valve, Electronic Arts, are dominating the gaming industry.  Nintendo feels that North America is a more important gaming market than Japan and they will go to the publishers that appeal the most to North America.  Nintendo no longer considers Japan to be as important of a market as they use to believe.
Seems odd that Blizzard would be listed here considering they don't typically release console games. Starcraft 64 is the last console game I remember them being involved in. Being listed separately from Activision is somewhat odd since they're under the same parent company though they exist and operate as a separate entity
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*The team that worked on Smash Bros 64, Smash Bros Melee, and Smash Bros Brawl transferred the assets of the game to another developer to work on it. The original Smash Bros team is not working on this new Smash Bros title.
What does that even mean? The original and Melee were developed by Hal Labs. Brawl was developed primarily by Game Arts. I don't recall Hal Labs having any direct involvement in Brawl's development besides granting Game Arts access to the old code and materials of the previous games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on May 31, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
New Metroid Café Game Screen Shot or Interesting Fake?
you be the judge. (I say fake, but it still looks good)

(http://i.imgur.com/9huBj.jpg)
http://wii2blog.com/a-metroid-screenshot/ (http://wii2blog.com/a-metroid-screenshot/)

I hope its fake because it looks like another Sakamoto abortion. Look at the Other M styled Samus and that pointer which suggests motion control aiming.

Don't worry, it's fake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyWPCF-fDH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyWPCF-fDH0)
Title: HQ Camera's in Café?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 11:09:12 PM
Nintendo to get some High Quality Cameras for Café?
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/26/omnivision.alludes.to.apple.maybe.nintendo.deals/ (http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/26/omnivision.alludes.to.apple.maybe.nintendo.deals/)
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Console plans were also unusually singled out during the call. The company said it had obtained a "significant design win" to supply cameras for a game console that would be ready in the next several months.

While the customer wasn't named, it wasn't likely to be Microsoft given that it already has a deal with the Kinect. With Sony more likely to use its own sensors for the NGP, the deal is more likely to focus on Nintendo's Project Cafe. The sequel to the Wii is rumored to be getting a controller with a camera for self-portraits and other photo-related gameplay that would need phone-sized sensors like those made by OmniVision.

Nintendo has already promised a sequel to the Wii for 2012 and plans to show it at E3 in early June.

Could the Café controllers have some HQ cameras packed in? or could it be for a TV mounted Camera (points back to Sensor Bar 2.0 designs). Either way it would be nice to see Nintendo use a camera capable of 1080p pics & video since that is the resolution that the console will be supporting. I don't know what resolution camera is needed for that (I know someone has told me before), but it would be nice for Nintendo to go there.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 01, 2011, 12:00:51 AM
5 mp seems to be the threshold.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 01, 2011, 01:34:47 AM
Man I am hyped to the max! Even if this lady is full of crap I have so much faith in SCV coming out for Cafe! Man there is no way this E3 can live up to that list can it? Either way I am ultra hyper hyped!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2011, 08:22:26 AM
I remain skeptical because this chick sounds like those so-called "insider" bloggers that popped up in droves before the Wii was fully unveiled. They'd end all of their posts with **** like "You will see that I'm right and my sources are reliable. The Revolution is coming!" Who the hell is Emily Rogers and why do I care if she never writes again? I'd be far more trusting if say Ben Kuchera from Ars Technica put his ass on the line with a guarantee like Ms. Rogers did. Don't get me wrong, she may be legit (I'd bet against her) but her claims sound like click-bait and that's why the bigger sites don't make crazy bold claims like that. They don't need to. Sure, headlines are written in a way that piques curiosity, but "I'll never write again" bets are often red flags.

I like reading rumors as much as the next person but some of these are way outlandish. Nintendo has had some great E3s in the past, but I don't recall them ever unleashing the fury so relentlessly in 1 show, especially for hardware at least a year away.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on June 01, 2011, 11:30:51 AM
http://i53.tinypic.com/15hekqh.jpg
Found another pic of the supposed specs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 01, 2011, 11:33:44 AM
There's way too much software for any of that to be true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 01, 2011, 12:15:06 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/15hekqh.jpg
Found another pic of the supposed specs.

This one is saying there is going to be both a basic and plus version of the console. This means both rumors of it having 8gb flash and a hard drive are true, but it depends on which version you're talking about. Hopefully the basic model can be upgraded with a hard drive similar to how the Xbox360 arcade model can be.
Title: "Final" Spec Sheet and Comparison
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2011, 12:22:28 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/15hekqh.jpg)
Found another pic of the supposed specs.

there was also a video of one of these 2 spec sheets (I think it was the first one, but quality was low I couldn't read it).

So let's discuss the differences between the 2 versions:

-Removed the types of chips used as to not be too specific

-2 version of the console. Basic (8GB) & Plus(8GB? + 250GBHDD)

-*Backwards Compatible only on Plus Version?
... I don't think Nintendo would do that.

-They also changed the amount of eDram to 32MB from 16MB
sounds expensive... very expensive.

-SDHC (which should be SDXC as 64GB is SDXC) has changed to SDHX
I'm sure Nintendo knows their SD card types and their abbreviations

-They have unrounded the edges and changed the background to match Nintendo's website

-They also fixed all that artifacting that was going on with the picture compression.

here is the "original"

I'm just gonna drop this here.

(http://i.imgur.com/i3vXP.jpg)
originally posted on the consolewars forums (http://www.consolewars.de/messageboard/showthread.php/64615-Project-Cafe-Wii-Nachfolger?p=3707338&viewfull=1#post3707338), supposedly from a German Dev
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 01, 2011, 12:44:55 PM
"SDHX"
What a load of crap.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 12:56:58 PM
Yeah, they fat Fingered SDHC which shouldn't get through a professional PR team.  I honestly don't see Nintendo doing 2 SKUs with different functionality from the get go.  Though it is possible I mean how many normal consumers want to play GCN games?  Though whats odder is that the Processor Theoretical  speeds have been rounded and one has bumped down.

If their was a Plus version though I probably go ahead and get that one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 01, 2011, 01:03:54 PM
"SDHX"
What a load of crap.

Yeah. For this reason alone I'm going to call the whole thing bullshit. The x key is right next to the c key on the keyboard so I can see how this typo was made, but the fact it was left there shows some amateur put it together.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2011, 01:15:29 PM
It's supposed to say SDXC
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 01, 2011, 01:23:12 PM
It's supposed to say SDXC

Either way its a typo and therefore a likely forgery.

The original devkit 1.3 specs you had posted with the "for internal use only" stamped on it might have been legit, though. The hoaxers may have taken that legit spec sheet and then edited it just to mess with people.

In fact, maybe whoever it was that posted the earlier 8gb onboard flash rumor may be the ones behind this forgery, because that  wasn't in the original specs but it is added in the more recent one so my guess is they added it in to add further credence to that other rumor they made up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 01, 2011, 01:24:48 PM
The Custom Bluray-disc line makes it suspect, for one. They don't say custom mini-DVD or custom DVD for the other two formats.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2011, 01:44:04 PM
I was just thinking about that too.

It should have said
NHDOD (Nintendo High Density Optical Disc)
NHCOD (Nintendo High Capacity Optical Disc)
NBOD (Nintendo Blue Optical Disc)
or something.

as the previous disc were labeled NOD (Nintendo Optical Disc) weren't they.
But that is assuming Nintendo doesn't use Bluray Playback in the new system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 02:06:40 PM
It's supposed to say SDXC
That would make it less likely in my mind.  That is too new of tech.

The Custom Bluray-disc line makes it suspect, for one. They don't say custom mini-DVD or custom DVD for the other two formats.
Not so much for me because it says its backward compatible right below and I doubt Nintendo will give developers the option of producing games on the lower media, even though I'm sure some would fit on Wii media.

Though a 3.5ghz clock speed would run hot still but, I've been out of the loop processor wise for a while.  I would assume by know they've gotten those down to easy fan cooling level.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 01, 2011, 02:09:51 PM
I'm talking about how they named them on that sheet, not specifically the technology.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 02:13:29 PM
I'm talking about how they named them on that sheet, not specifically the technology.
I get what your getting at.  The obvious answer would be since the other discs have their console name in it they be keeping it from the unavoidable know days leak but, something else to point toward fake you are right.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 01, 2011, 02:17:44 PM
I'm saying that they wouldn't name "Bluray" in the first place since they trying to avoid the license fees.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2011, 02:21:08 PM
a simple "Custom Nintendo Optical Disc of 25/50GB" would probably be a better way to put it.
Title: New Zelda for 25th Anniversary!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2011, 03:08:54 PM
New Zelda Title @ E3 to celebrate Zelda 25th Anniversary?
They are saying that Aonuma said it on Live TV...
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The live-event has now come and gone, and we're hearing that Mr. Aonuma said that a new Zelda title will be shown during the week of E3. This title is related to the 25th anniversary of Zelda.
Original Source: http://www.p-nintendo.com/news/N-1064080983.html (http://www.p-nintendo.com/news/N-1064080983.html)
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=159540 (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=159540)


A Link to the Past 3Dmake?
Something to hold us over till Skyward Sword get a dual release for Wii & Café
A whole new portable Zelda for 3DS for release after OoT3D? (The Legend of Paper Zelda?)
A console Zelda Compilation for Wii & a handheld compilation for 3DS?
What could it be? 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 03:38:22 PM
New Zelda Title @ E3 to celebrate Zelda 25th Anniversary?
They are saying that Aonuma said it on Live TV...
Quote
The live-event has now come and gone, and we're hearing that Mr. Aonuma said that a new Zelda title will be shown during the week of E3. This title is related to the 25th anniversary of Zelda.
Original Source: http://www.p-nintendo.com/news/N-1064080983.html (http://www.p-nintendo.com/news/N-1064080983.html)
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=159540 (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=159540)


A Link to the Past 3Dmake?
Something to hold us over till Skyward Sword get a dual release for Wii & Café
A whole new portable Zelda for 3DS for release after OoT3D? (The Legend of Paper Zelda?)
A console Zelda Compilation for Wii & a handheld compilation for 3DS?
What could it be? 

Zelda, Zelda 2, Zelda: LttP 3D Enhancement (Still top downish) for 3DS all cleaned up and chained so you can beat one and automagically go to the next. :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 01, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
That would make it less likely in my mind.  That is too new of tech.

According to Wikipedia it came out in 2009. How is that "too new of tech" for a console that comes out in 2012?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 03:46:24 PM
That would make it less likely in my mind.  That is too new of tech.

According to Wikipedia it came out in 2009. How is that "too new of tech" for a console that comes out in 2012?
Wide term acceptance.  I'm trying to think of something that comes with SDXC.  Point being SDHC is the mainstream for this type of tech and still has a little iffy acceptance.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2011, 04:02:37 PM
The Wii and many other devices (like cell phones) are all SDHC compliant.

The problem is that the spec sheet list 64GB SD cards which would automatically make it a SDXC card as 64GB and up are all SDXC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 01, 2011, 06:15:18 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo launched with two different system versions. Since I'm sure Nintendo wants to keep the system affordable ($299.99 at most), I don't think they can do that with a hard drive and still be profitable. Of course, they also seem to want the lost "hardcore" gamers back, and they at least need to support hard drives for that to happen. So I see there being an affordable "basic" package with the 8GB internal flash or whatever it is, and then a "premium" model that comes with a large hard drive and maybe some other goodies. I know Nintendo have never sold two versions of a home system before, but they do currently sell two different versions of the DS (one version with two models), so I think they realize that it can work to sell a cheaper model and a more expensive "deluxe" model.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on June 01, 2011, 06:33:06 PM
What Mop said makes sense. This may be their best move if they want to please two markets.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 01, 2011, 06:52:14 PM
The problem is that the spec sheet list 64GB SD cards which would automatically make it a SDXC card as 64GB and up are all SDXC.
And limiting it to the smallest SDXC card doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 01, 2011, 06:52:52 PM
Regarding the Zelda thing, Skyward Sword would be a new Zelda being shown at E3.  They didn't say it would be REVEALED at E3, just shown.  The fact that we already know about Skyward Sword doesn't invalidate that.  Though I could totally some re-release of some sort as well.  Of course that isn't a "new" Zelda at all but Nintendo might think otherwise.

Regarding Mop's two versions idea, why not just have one version but offer the OPTION for a hard drive?  So if you want one you just buy one and hook it up?  Nintendo would probably prefer to have one model and that would allow them to.

Though if a hard drive is not standard I figure Nintendo is going to be all about size restrictions for downloads and that would be the root of any problems relating to third party support.  It doesn't matter if I hook up a TB hard drive to my Cafe.  If 8 GB is the standard then Nintendo will cater to people that only have 8 GB and thus will likely enforce size restrictions.  So anyone going over the restriction will just say "**** it" and release it for the other consoles only.

Still that would not screw up third party support for retail games, which is much more important.  I figure Nintendo will end up sabotaging SOME element of Cafe and I'd prefer this over something worse.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 01, 2011, 07:42:35 PM
Regarding Mop it up's two versions idea, why not just have one version but offer the OPTION for a hard drive?  So if you want one you just buy one and hook it up?  Nintendo would probably prefer to have one model and that would allow them to.
You'd still have the option to buy one later if you bought the basic package, and the premium package would just make everything simpler for those who want it. If Nintendo thought that having more than one model would be confusing then I don't think they would have the DS Lite, DSi, and DSi XL on store shelves at the same time.

Though if a hard drive is not standard I figure Nintendo is going to be all about size restrictions for downloads and that would be the root of any problems relating to third party support.
I figure that anyone interested in downloading content is going to get the model packaged with a hard drive; with any luck, Nintendo will realize that too. So if there is a limit, maybe it'll be the 8GB but, are there any downloads on the XBox 360 or PS3 larger than even 1GB?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2011, 07:52:32 PM
They get up to about 2 GB, but not really any higher than that, at least that I've seen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2011, 09:31:40 PM
Did I ever post this pic?

(http://i.imgur.com/DZclR.jpg)
it's from about 9 days ago... I don't want to look back to see if I did or not.


no idea if the pic is real or not, but it popped up around the same time as that SSB Café thread, so I added it to the rumor posting from that day
Super Smash Brothers Café @ E3 2011? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg673816#msg673816)[/size][/font]
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2011, 09:52:19 PM
Clearly, Cloud is the special 3rd party guest.
Title: ESRB Leak!? Nintendo Current!? E3 Games Reel!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2011, 11:00:33 PM
ESRB Leak!? E3 Games reel for Nintendo's.... "Current"?
http://www.destructoid.com/let-s-talk-about-the-games-that-may-come-to-project-cafe-201762.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/let-s-talk-about-the-games-that-may-come-to-project-cafe-201762.phtml)
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One of the more popular Project Cafe rumors going around right now comes from someone who claims to work for the ESRB, an agency which is tasked to rate the appropriateness of everything vidoegame related, even the trailers. This ESRB employee claims to have seen the video that Nintendo will be showing at E3 to promote Project Cafe --or, as they call it, "Current" -- and the list of games they've named from the video is pretty astounding.

This list includes: a new mini-game collection, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. 4, Endless Ocean, Pikmin, Kirby, a new Zelda collection, Animal Crossing, Kid Icarus, Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario., Dead Rising 2, Street Fighter 4, Resident Evil 5 "or something that looked like it," Silent Hill Downpour, a new Suda51 game that is "not No More Heroes" but is about "something hunting demons," "some mech game," Trauma Center: Current Crisis, Soul Calibur, Tekken, GTA V, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, "some Metal Gear Solid game where you play as a girl," "some cyber punk game" that looks like Snatcher, Gradius, Contra, Castlevania, and "Fallout 3 or 4."

So yeah, that's a pretty insane list. It's hard to believe that any of it's real, but seeing as the 3DS had a new Kid Icarus, Metal Gear, Assassin's Creed, two Resident Evil games, Contra, Castlevania, Street Fighter, Zelda, Persona, and many other games announced in conjunction with the console's initial reveal at E3 2010, I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to somehow get that many third parties to back them out of the gate with their next home console. It especially makes sense to see so many titles from Konami, Namco, and Capcom, who were strong early supporters of the Wii as well.

Mini editorial time -- third parties largely avoided putting their AAA titles on the Wii, and as such, they lost out on potential revenue from the Wii's 70+ million unit user base. We've heard third parties say time and time again that when they Wii took off in popularity, that they were "caught with their pants down." I'm guessing that with Project Cafe, those same third parties will be sure not to make the same mistake twice.

That is one hell of a list, and I must say that I very much prefer Nintendo Stream, Striim or xStream

But I guess my only response to that is...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/DrForester/The5thNintendoElement.gif)
this
(http://i53.tinypic.com/5ug3kn.jpg)
&
(http://i55.tinypic.com/24brdl1.jpg)

So many games rumored, will they show us what we want to see or will they just continue to tease us?
*NSFW* http://i53.tinypic.com/fco8as.jpg (http://i53.tinypic.com/fco8as.jpg) *NSFW*
^Will they or won't they?^
5 days and 13hours remaining.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 11:39:21 PM
I honestly didn't think that list was impressive at all.  It's what I would expect at a launch of a next gen system to an audience with pint up demand for the current games.


Also I'm fairly sure I saw that picture a couple years back.  Probably closer to 2 or so because that is when I started to drift from the Forums.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2011, 11:56:17 PM
I honestly didn't think that list was impressive at all.
Really? That list is insane in the membrane, considering the expectation for Nintendo home consoles is nothing.

That list looks like something Kytim89 cooked up while dropping acid. No offense.

I can't wait until Tuesday, if only so the ridic rumors will die down. Anyone can make up a rumor and claim they know someone or work for some company. How about this? Project Cafe's official name is Nintendo 3S (for Stream, Steam, Screen because rhyming is fun). My cousin works for Retro Studios. Someone post this on NeoGaf. It's that easy to start ****.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 01, 2011, 11:59:02 PM
Dude, my cousin's niece works for Retro Studios too!

She said that it's going to be called Nintendo PS and it's going to be piss powered. For example, every time you want Mario to jump, you take a piss on your screen. She also said Piss Stream will be out June 8 this year!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2011, 01:09:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/9TZdF.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 02, 2011, 04:34:23 AM
Nintendo PSX?
Title: 12 Skyward Sword Rumors
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2011, 01:09:31 PM
12 Pre-E3 Rumors about Zelda: Skyward Sword
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/06/heres-the-first-of-the-annual-batch-of-pre-e3-zelda-rumors.html#more (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/06/heres-the-first-of-the-annual-batch-of-pre-e3-zelda-rumors.html#more)
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1. Skyward Sword is complete, but still needs debugging/testing.

2. There will be a demo at E3 with three different aspects of the game explored: Flying combat, overworld + sky exploration, desert dungeon.

3. Skyward Sword girl's name is "Dorella."

4. Magician from GDC trailer's name is "Nephiburoo," he'll be a part of a group of evil sorcerers who wish to obtain the Triforce.

5. Ganondorf is in the game briefly as a child. Isn't too important to the story.

6. Zelda has a new design, similar to an Egyptian princess with brown hair. She's still recognizable however.

7. Full orchestrated soundtrack by the person responsible for Super Mario Galaxy's soundtrack. (This one is actually true, but I do wonder if the poster only put this one in to make the rumors more
believable.)

8. Two overworlds: Skyloft and Hyrule. Contrast is similar to Heaven and Hell.

9. Ten minute live-action prologue that'll be posted on the net a couple of months before release. (Zelda Williams Secret Shoot? Zelda is rumored to have brown hair and take on an Egyptian princess aesthetic. It COULD fit.)

10. After you complete the game, the game goes into a storyless, neverending epilogue. Every dungeon in the game gets another dungeon inside of it utilizing everything you've obtained in the game with new bosses. New areas on the overworld are unlocked in places you wouldn't expect. Similar to the original Zelda.

11. Game will feature horse riding and boat riding. Not as expansive as seen in Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, however, but a boat will be required to complete some dungeons.

12. Coming November 1st, 2011.

It's missing the all to infamous lucky #13, so I'll add it in myself
13.Skyward Sword will see an HD version for Café. Believe :P: :

The original source was 4chan, but the post has been removed from the site.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 02, 2011, 01:14:41 PM
Quote
9. Ten minute live-action prologue that'll be posted on the net a couple of months before release. (Zelda Williams Secret Shoot? Zelda is rumored to have brown hair and take on an Egyptian princess aesthetic. It COULD fit.)

FMV with actors?!  What is this? 1993?  ;D
 
I find it funny that that big list has Resident Evil 5 on it.  What, they're not working on RE6 yet?  But then it would be very Capcom to release a game that old for the Cafe launch.  Capcom ports Resident Evil to EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on June 02, 2011, 01:33:51 PM
I approve of brunette Zelda.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 02, 2011, 01:40:55 PM
Man I sure hope their is flight within the game with flying combat, I would prefer angel wings on link. Or some kind of feathered contraption.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2011, 01:42:50 PM
Link becomes.... Kid Icarus?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 02, 2011, 01:48:37 PM
I take that back, I want him to ride a flying animal, preferably an eagle or owl.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 02, 2011, 02:01:34 PM
That would make the game even more like Lord of the Rings.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 02, 2011, 02:19:24 PM
Total hogwash on and FMV in the game.  I could see them doing a 10-minute Hype Train live action something.  The Zelda serious has done live action before in commercials but not in the game.

Zelda has been slowly moving to the Egyptian like for a while.  Though isn't there one already where she is a Brunette?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 02, 2011, 02:22:25 PM
I take that back, I want him to ride a flying animal, preferably an eagle or owl.

Not a griffin or dragon?

Quote
5. Ganondorf is in the game briefly as a child.

Hahaha they better make him adorable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 02, 2011, 02:27:57 PM
Wasn't Peach and Samus all sorts of different hair colors before they settled on Blond? In the first NES game when Samus takes off her suit she was either a brunette or a redhead I believe. Nintendo may be making Zelda an Egyptian in response to criticism that all their female princesses are blondes.

It is a step closer to improving the diversity in their games, but really they could have also done that by making some new franchises instead of messing with existing ones.

I guess its a good move also because Zelda and Link look too much alike so it seems almost incestuous to think of them together in a romantic context. But originally it was Link who was the Brunette... then Link became a blond for whatever reason and from then on they both looking alike with their blond hair and pointy ears and whatnot.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 02, 2011, 02:35:25 PM
Wasn't Peach and Samus all sorts of different hair colors before they settled on Blond?
Zelda, too.
Title: Rumor Consolidation 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2011, 02:43:42 PM
Rumor Consolidation 2011

September 2010:
-Itagaki of Team Ninja hints at game Devil's Third being made for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670302#msg670302)

October 2010:
-Marvell QuadCore processors for new console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg637155#msg637155) - *This might have had something to do with Kinect, But I don't remember.
-IBM implies that Wii2 uses Cell based PPC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565) *Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678425#msg678425)*

November 2010:
-Marvell Quad cores gets a large order: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642274#msg642274) From large console manufacturer - *once again might be Kinect related.
-House of the Dead: Overkill 2 in the works (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642866#msg642866) 
-EA reviving NFL Blitz (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg644226#msg644226)

December 2010:

January 2011:
-UltraViolet Media Cloud service coming to a console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg648998#msg648998) - Most Likely Sony since Sony is a partner.
-New Pokemon game for Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg649154#msg649154) *New Pokémon game for 3DS instead* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34703.msg679452#msg679452)

February 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg657316#msg657316) according to THQ *Confirmed*

March 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg661397#msg661397) according to EA *Confirmed*
-AMD working on CPU/GPU combined (Fusion based) chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release. *Update* - This matches up with this rumor from back in Dec. AMD Fusion based Xbox 720 in 2012? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg645130#msg645130)

April 2011:
-Monster Hunter 3DS to be announced soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg664597#msg664597) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35578.0) Monster Hunter 3G & Monster Hunter 4 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35667.0)
-SSFIV3D connects to home console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg665437#msg665437) - Hint @ Wii2 from Capcom and 3DS -> Wii2 connectivity
-Wii price drop to $150 on May 15th (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666463#msg666463) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34277.msg671062#msg671062)
-Wii2 announcement @ E3: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666740#msg666740) 1080p HD, More powerful than PS360, BC with Wii, release late 2012 *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668832#msg668832)
-New Wii2 controller has HD screen built in (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666915#msg666915) *Non HD Screen Confirmed*
-Wii2 to use Bluray technology (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666928#msg666928) *High Density Optical Disc Confirmed*
-Wii2 actually aimed at early 2012 release (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666975#msg666975) (1st half 2012) *IGN backs this up in their mailbag (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668171#msg668171)*
-Controller Screen is actually a Touch Screen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666977#msg666977) *Touch Screen Confirmed*
-Project Cafe: Wii2 Controller is a Tablet: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667008#msg667008) 6" touch Screen on Controller, front facing camera & doubles as sensor bar for BC *Codename Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778) *All Confrmed*
-Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667026#msg667026) Wii2 controller to rival 3DS, NGP, iPhone & iPad apparently *Confirmed*
-1st & 3rd Party games @ E3 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667069#msg667069) *confirmed* EA, Ubisoft & Capcom all but confirmed
-Wii2 = TriCore PPC & R700 class GPU w/ 512+MB Ram (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667113#msg667113) Another surprise to be shown @ E3 *TriCore CPU Confirmed*
-3rd Parties have had Wii2 Dev Kits for Months (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667129#msg667129), Has better Motion Tracking than Move *Dev Kits Confirmed*
-Pikmin 3 moved to Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667251#msg667251) *Confirmed* to be shown @ E3; Nintendo also in talks with R* for solid AAA support.
-Wii2 launch June 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667781#msg667781); Rockstar delivering game (?GTA V?) during launch window
-Wii2, 3DS & E3!? Oh Yes!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667939#msg667939); 3rd Parties taking a front seat this time around.
-Retro working on Wii2 game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667943#msg667943); and it's "a project everyone wants us to do" (Starfox? Zelda? New Original FPS?)
-Nintendo prepping Head Mounted 3D VR? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667950#msg667950) sounds like the NintendoOn to me....
-Wii 2 will not be Dreamcast, it’ll be “the PlayStation 2 of next gen” (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672134#msg672134); A true next gen console? sounds like it.
-Retro's new game is actually Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668169#msg668169)
-"Where there's smoke, there's fire" - Miyamoto's comment on Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668209#msg668209) - He also said not to believe everything you hear though.
-Wii2 controller has a 6.2" screen and 8 buttons (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668218#msg668218) *Confirmed*
-IGN: The N Stream (Wii2) Details "confirmed"? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668242#msg668242)
-1up says: No Friend Codes for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668681#msg668681) *Confirmed* I think
-Retro making DKCR sequel for Wii2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668753#msg668753)
-Project Cafe Codename Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778); 01net rumors now have even more credibility
-4Chan Cafe "Leak" (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669121#msg669121)?; Sounds like a wishlist to me.
-Rareware to make 3DS games? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669156#msg669156); not sure how likely this one is, but Rare did release DS games
-Nintendo Select = $19.99 Players Choice line? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669695#msg669695) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34261.msg670710#msg670710)
-Project Cafe E3 Publishers List? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670039#msg670039); More than likely fake, but the real thing will probably still be close
-Super Smash Brothers Café @ E3 2011? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg673816#msg673816); Every Nintendo Franchise to be shown off in HD? Sounds good to me ;) *SSB Wiiu & 3DS Announced - Confirmed*

May 2011:
-Haptic Feedback & Vitality Sensor Built In? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670488#msg670488) *Fake*
-Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc & 1080p (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670741#msg670741)
-Track Pad in the Cafe Pad? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671094#msg671094); Just because I don't believe it don't mean it's not possible... *False*
-GTAV to be revealed @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671178#msg671178)
-$350+ Wii2 starts production in October (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671233#msg671233) (Foxconn to produce (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671259#msg671259))
-MS to steal Nintendo's thunder @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671476#msg671476) *False* Not at this E3 atleast
-Zumba Fitness 2 for Project Cafe? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671988#msg671988) to be announced/released early 2012!?
-Pikmin 3 & Endless Ocean 3 screenshots? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672082#msg672082) They're likely fake, but what if they aren't.... E3 is still so far away.
-IGN: Cafe to use a 4850? maybe 2GB's of RAM (1GB GPU & 1GB CPU)? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672602#msg672602)
-Valve working on Café (Wii2)? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672732#msg672732); *Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682834#msg682834)* HipHopGamer says Gabe Newell is impressed with Café and it's ease of development
-The Last Story coming to Europe!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675149#msg675149); If they translate it, it better come to the U.S. too.
-Wii VC transferable to Café? HD versions getting made? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg674961#msg674961)
-Project Café Spec Sheet? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675476#msg675476); Only time will tell *Fake*
-21 Rumors & A Bet To Back Them Up (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675797#msg675797); Gotta love a bet where we win either way!
-Metroid Café Screenshot!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675802#msg675802); I call fake, but it still looks good to me. [fake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyWPCF-fDH0)]
-HQ Camera's in Café? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675819#msg675819)
-"Final" Spec Sheet and Comparison (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675910#msg675910); I compare it to the previous Spec Sheet... (less than 6 days left) *Fake*
-New Zelda for 25th Anniversary!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675947#msg675947); Legend of Paper Zelda anyone!? *4 Swords DSi - Confirmed*
-ESRB Leak!? Nintendo Current!? E3 Games Reel!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676051#msg676051) *update (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676943#msg676943)* *fake*
-Project Cafe @ EB Games Expo!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34193.msg676129#msg676129); Nintendo will be there, surely Café will be too. Will you be there?
-12 Skyward Sword Rumors (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676158#msg676158); A Pre-E3 roundup of Zelda Rumors (with a bonus #13)
-Super Mario Café @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676352#msg676352); It would only make sense.... *NSMBMii - Confirmed*
-Nikkei Confirms 6" Touch Screen, Camera and Rechargeable Battery (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676489#msg676489); Mid-2012 Launch Date expected *Confirmed*
-Super Mario Wii 2!? as in Super Mario for Wii 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676845#msg676845) *NSMBMii could be considered NSMBW2 - Confirmed?*
-Another 4Chan leak!? I want to believe it. So do you. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676858#msg676858); So. Do. You. *Controller details are False*
-Project Cafe to be called... Nintendo? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676915#msg676915) Just Nintendo.... that's it. *False*
-Nintendo Beem? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676926#msg676926); I think it works... not as well a xStream ;P but it's probably [fake (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676937#msg676937)] anyways.

June 2011:
-GTA V coming in 2012!? It's Likely. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg682385#msg682385); Wiiu launch window title sounds likely too

July 2011:
-Iwata subsidizes 3DS price drop with executive pay cuts!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg688559#msg688559)
-Street Fighter x Tekken is coing to 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg688947#msg688947)

August 2011:
-4 New Nintendo Selects this Month!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg690187#msg690187) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34277.msg691493#msg691493)
-Patents reveal uMote possibly uses Flash Mem, H.264, WirelessN, Multi-Touch and has a Cradle/Docking Station! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690854#msg690854)
-Zone Of Enders 3DS - ZOE:3DS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg691440#msg691440); Kojima Tweeted it with pics, so it must be true right?
-Magic Box says: New Fire Emblem: Blue Sacred Sword and Red Demon Lance (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg692494#msg692494)
-01.Net  says 2nd Analog Attachment for 3DS coming (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg692603#msg692603) & then details some internal Nintendo Drama *2nd Analog  Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35578.0)
-Dragon Quest X to be MMO-like *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35570.0)
-01.Net says that some Nintendo Game Designs may be a little more than borrowed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg693212#msg693212); Truth may never come to light on this one
-Epic Mickey 2 in development!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg693626#msg693626) Mickey & Oswald co-op?

September 2011:
-Monster Hunter TriG, Baten Kaitos & Mach Rider: Unchained to be unveiled @ 3DS event next week (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg695169#msg695169)
-More games rumored for next week (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg695582#msg695582); Yoshi, Ace Attorney, Etrian Odyssey and more....
-Wii U uses 28nm chips & 1T-SRAM!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg697314#msg697314) NEC & MoSys still in the picture
-Super Smash Bros. Universe!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg697830#msg697830)

October 2011:
-Luigi's Mansion 2 slide pad compatible? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg700132#msg700132) That would make it the only 1st party game so far that is...
-Some Sonic Dimensions Rumors and Details(?) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg703220#msg703220); Sega Dev [laughs] and says "*Hoax* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723280#msg723280)"

November 2011:
-Silicon Knights working on Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705588#msg705588); it's the only "requested" title from them that I can think of.
-Revised Wiimote w/touchscreen mentioned in Sonic Dimensions rumor? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg704076#msg704076) yet another wiimote attachment? :/
-Wii U to support 2 tablets!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg704840#msg704840) they never said it wouldn't, but anything confirming that it will is good news in my book.
-Is EA gunning to be the sole Digital Distributor for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705558#msg705558); Trying to get any edge over Steam that it can.
-Wii U Dev Kits have atleast 2 GB of RAM (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg706351#msg706351); it was also mentioned that it was tri-core dual threaded Power based CPU & GPU around 1.2 TFlops
-DQVII or FFVII 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg707251#msg707251) - Something about 7th entry of popular JRPG released 6 months after spinoff....
-AMD's GCN Graphics Core a possibilty for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708338#msg708338); Graphics Core Next & GameCube Nintendo... surely it's just a coincedence

December 2011
-Xenoblade April 2012 in the US? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708587#msg708587); Operation Rainfall would like to take credit for this one...
-Wii U Specs: 768MB of eDRAM & 3Ghz QCore PPC? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708741#msg708741); I call BS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708752#msg708752) on this one... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708859#msg708859) but we will know soon enough.
-Real Wii U App Store!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg712565#msg712565); I can't wait for Angry Birds & Customizable clocks...
-EPIC Mickey 2 - Fall 2012 (Multi-plat & Co-op) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg712588#msg712588); I hope it's an improvement over the original (which I still have yet to play :P: : : : : )


Consolidation List 2012
http://tinyurl.com/Rumor2012 (http://tinyurl.com/Rumor2012)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 02, 2011, 02:48:20 PM
So many rumors since April...

4 days, 21 hours, 11 minutes, 52 seconds
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 02, 2011, 03:55:27 PM
They get up to about 2 GB, but not really any higher than that, at least that I've seen.
Mass Effect 2 is over 12GB and downloadable on the PSN.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 02, 2011, 03:58:40 PM
They get up to about 2 GB, but not really any higher than that, at least that I've seen.
Mass Effect 2 is over 12GB and downloadable on the PSN.
I didn't realize I could pick it up on PSN.

Edit:
But both Mass Effect 1 and 2 are $20 each on Steam...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on June 02, 2011, 05:48:23 PM
Justin Bailey had green hair.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 02, 2011, 06:42:04 PM
They get up to about 2 GB, but not really any higher than that, at least that I've seen.
Mass Effect 2 is over 12GB and downloadable on the PSN.

I was referring to things designed as download titles. Download versions of retail games will of course exceed that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 02, 2011, 07:02:57 PM
They get up to about 2 GB, but not really any higher than that, at least that I've seen.
Mass Effect 2 is over 12GB and downloadable on the PSN.
I didn't realize I could pick it up on PSN.

Edit:
But both Mass Effect 1 and 2 are $20 each on Steam...
But will you get your trophies if you buy them on Steam?  I thought not. :P:

I love how they did that.  Here everyone, buy this game on PS3 for $60 when everyone else who owns a PC or 360 can get it for $20. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 02, 2011, 07:04:39 PM
They get up to about 2 GB, but not really any higher than that, at least that I've seen.
Mass Effect 2 is over 12GB and downloadable on the PSN.

I was referring to things designed as download titles. Download versions of retail games will of course exceed that.
But the question was about what the largest downloadable title was.  I'm pretty sure ME2 is it regardless of if it's a download only title or not. :)

But I think you're right that there hasn't been a title for DL only that exceeds 2GB.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 02, 2011, 08:17:33 PM
Wasn't Peach and Samus all sorts of different hair colors before they settled on Blond? In the first NES game when Samus takes off her suit she was either a brunette or a redhead I believe.
It was Purple or Green.  Though I think she was Blonde for the Nintendo Power Comic for Super Metriod.  I need to dig all those out and read them.
Title: Super Mario Café @ E3?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2011, 11:05:44 PM
Super Mario Galaxy....3!? Café!?

That's what CVG seems to think in the second part of their Pre-E3 rumor round up.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/303906/features/e3-2011s-inside-whispers-exposed-pt2/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/303906/features/e3-2011s-inside-whispers-exposed-pt2/)
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we've also heard another little whisper from our Ninty sources - that Super Mario 3DS won't be the only new Mario title to be shown off in Los Angeles. Could we be looking at a Super Mario Galaxy for the next, next generation?

Makes sense. New hardware = New Mario game. And what better way to show it off than something that follows up the beauty of Super Mario Galaxy only in HD this time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 02, 2011, 11:18:59 PM
A new Mario title can mean a lot of things. It doesn't necessarily mean its going to be a platformer... it could be some Mario Sports based game, for example; or it could be Mario Party; heck it could even be Mario Paint 2 which many of us have long been waiting for...

So there's lots of different things that could mean.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2011, 11:24:47 PM
Instead of a Galaxy 3 or Universe or whatever the next iteration of the 3D franchise would be, I think a NSMBCafé would be a much better fit for E3 and the over all audience they are trying to reach.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 03, 2011, 01:03:58 AM
Of all the Mario titles I hope to see, Super Mario Galaxy 3 is not one of them. Neither is another game in the New Super Mario Brothers style. As much as I like both games, two games in that vein are enough. If it's a platformer, I want to see something completely new.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2011, 01:10:51 AM
New Super Mario World it is then.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 03, 2011, 01:33:07 AM
That's the same concept as New Super Mario Brothers so I hope they don't go there, although it's still a little better.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on June 03, 2011, 01:44:22 AM
New Mario Party? That series is due for a comeback.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 03, 2011, 01:50:39 AM
I would not mind having Super Mario Galaxy 3 because I enjoyed the second game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 03, 2011, 02:13:37 AM
im kinda excited and hoping not to be disappointed to play a Nintendo console with This-Gen or better Graphics.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 03, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
New Super Mario World it is then.
Please...
New Super Mario Bros 2: Doki Doki Panic

Also don't want a new Galaxy.

NES: Super Mario
GB: Super Mario Land
SNES: Super Mario World
N64: Super Mario 64
GCN: Mario Sunshine
Wii: Mario Galaxy
Cafe: Something not one of these above
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 03, 2011, 09:47:56 AM
I know it sounds crazy, but hear me out... maybe Nintendo could try, oh, I don't know... making a Mario game that isn't either a sequel to a recent game or remake of one from 20 years ago? Instead of Super Mario Galaxy 3 or NSMB2 or New Super Mario Bros. World, how about they make something completely different like Super Mario Oasis? Or Super Mario Safari? Or Super Mario Island?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Retro Deckades on June 03, 2011, 10:04:34 AM
I know it sounds crazy, but hear me out... maybe Nintendo could try, oh, I don't know... making a Mario game that isn't either a sequel to a recent game or remake of one from 20 years ago? Instead of Super Mario Galaxy 3 or NSMB2 or New Super Mario Bros. World, how about they make something completely different like Super Mario Oasis? Or Super Mario Safari? Or Super Mario Island?

Those titles all remind me of Super Mario Sunshine in some way. How might they be different?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 03, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
I know it sounds crazy, but hear me out... maybe Nintendo could try, oh, I don't know... making a Mario game that isn't either a sequel to a recent game or remake of one from 20 years ago? Instead of Super Mario Galaxy 3 or NSMB2 or New Super Mario Bros. World, how about they make something completely different like Super Mario Oasis? Or Super Mario Safari? Or Super Mario Island?
Those titles all remind me of Super Mario Sunshine in some way. How might they be different?
Mario gets the Shadow the Hedgehog Treatment in Mario Be a Gangster.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on June 03, 2011, 10:29:13 AM
Or Super Mario Safari?

Almost... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshi%27s_Safari)
Title: Nikkei Confirms 6" Touch Screen, Camera and Rechargeable Battery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2011, 01:43:24 PM
Nikkei Confirms Controller with Touch Screen, Camera and Rechargable Battery
http://www.nikkei.com/news/headline/article/g=96958A9C93819696E2E1E2EB988DE2E1E2E4E0E2E3E38698E2E2E2E2?n_cid=TW001 (http://www.nikkei.com/news/headline/article/g=96958A9C93819696E2E1E2EB988DE2E1E2E4E0E2E3E38698E2E2E2E2?n_cid=TW001)
Quote from: Google Translation
"Wii" successor, the portable game controller
Nintendo is also equipped with touch screen camera functions
2011/6/4 2:09Electronic version of the Nihon Keizai Shimbun

Nintendo has also released a stationary game machines in mid-2012 "Wii" on the successor, to adopt the new touch panel controller. In addition to the games for a tablet device, such as operations, so that as a handheld game play. 06 Wii was released in the round of boom. Regain lost ground by introducing the successor of increased convenience.

The new controller is equipped with a touch of the screen size of about 6 inches. The controller also incorporates a secondary battery...

edit:
Andriasang translates (but doesn't share whats in the rest of the article)
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/04/nikkei_wii_controller_details/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/04/nikkei_wii_controller_details/)
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Wii 2 will feature a new type of controller that includes a touch screen. The controller will give tablet-like controls to games and can also be used itself as a portable game machine.

The touch panel on the controller is six inches. The controller itself has a built in battery and includes a camera. The camera can be used for a variety of play opportunities -- for instance, a player making an avatar of himself for use in a game.

Nikkei says that Wii 2 will be released in the latter half of 2012.


A direct translation
Quote from: neo2046
>新型コントローラーは、画面サイズが約6インチのタッチパネルを搭載。コントローラーには2次電池も内蔵しており、
>テレビが使えない状況では、コントローラーを携帯型ゲーム機のように利用することができる。
>据え置き型として使う場合は、例えば画面を指先でなぞってテレビ画面上のキャラクターを動かすようにする。


> the new controller will include a around 6" touch panel, including rechargeable battery inside
> when not using TV, the controller is treated as a handheld
> when treating as a console, you play the game on the TV as usual
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on June 03, 2011, 01:44:47 PM
Boom goes the dynamite.

All abord the hype train, folks!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 03, 2011, 01:58:33 PM
Boom goes the dynamite.

All abord the hype train, folks!
Woo WOooo
Fixed to not anger the Hype Train.
Title: Nikkei Confirms Café Controller Details
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2011, 02:21:57 PM
I updated with translations

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>新型コントローラーは、画面サイズが約6インチのタッチパネルを搭載。コントローラーには2次電池も内蔵しており、
>テレビが使えない状況では、コントローラーを携帯型ゲーム機のように利用することができる。
>据え置き型として使う場合は、例えば画面を指先でなぞってテレビ画面上のキャラクターを動かすようにする。


> the new controller will include a around 6" touch panel, including rechargeable battery inside
> when not using TV, the controller is treated as a handheld
> when treating as a console, you play the game on the TV as usual

HYPE LEVEL OVER 9000!!!!!

I'm thinking a single screen, dual analog SuperDSiXL
where is that tablet controller mockup I was praising a month ago...?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 03, 2011, 02:39:56 PM
Well it's official. The hype train has gone super sayian.

(http://files.sharenator.com/It_s_over_9000_dragon_ball_z_8284662_707_562_RE_whats_your_fav_wepon_on_black_ops_zombies-s707x562-147361.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 03, 2011, 02:47:19 PM
Well it's official. The hype train has gone super sayian.
How many more levels do we have to go after that... Will it do Fusion with Reggie.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on June 03, 2011, 04:51:58 PM
If that happened, the world would explode.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 03, 2011, 05:25:15 PM
I don't know.  This still worries me.  If this 6"screen business is indeed true, what are they sacrificing for the room and ergonomics? 

It needs to be positioned in such a way that it will be quick and easy to use on the fly, but also somewhere that allows our buttons and control sticks and things.  Unless, contrary to there word, they are forgoing buttons and everything is done on the touch screen.  Damn I hope not

I guess this will also mean that rumble is out.

Btw, lols at the 360 ad banner beneath the page.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 03, 2011, 05:34:01 PM
I don't know.  This still worries me.  If this 6"screen business is indeed true, what are they sacrificing for the room and ergonomics? 

It needs to be positioned in such a way that it will be quick and easy to use on the fly, but also somewhere that allows our buttons and control sticks and things.  Unless, contrary to there word, they are forgoing buttons and everything is done on the touch screen.  Damn I hope not

I guess this will also mean that rumble is out.

Btw, lols at the 360 ad banner beneath the page.
Ironically that is not the oddest one I've seen before on here.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the 6 in. Screen is the whole most of the controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on June 03, 2011, 05:47:46 PM
It has to have physical buttons or it'll be a pain to play games straight off the 6 inch screen.  You'll have to dedicate screen space for digital buttons then squeeze a smaller screen in the center. That'll suck unheard of ass.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2011, 05:50:12 PM
I don't know.  This still worries me.  If this 6"screen business is indeed true, what are they sacrificing for the room and ergonomics? 

It needs to be positioned in such a way that it will be quick and easy to use on the fly, but also somewhere that allows our buttons and control sticks and things.  Unless, contrary to there word, they are forgoing buttons and everything is done on the touch screen.  Damn I hope not

I guess this will also mean that rumble is out.

Btw, lols at the 360 ad banner beneath the page.

This is what I have in mind
(http://i51.tinypic.com/16itudy.jpg)

I'm expecting something sort of tablet-like but with traditional grips on the back for comfort.
But why would that mean rumble is out?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 03, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
It has to have physical buttons or it'll be a pain to play games straight off the 6 inch screen.  You'll have to dedicate screen space for digital buttons then squeeze a smaller screen in the center. That'll suck unheard of ass.
Not exactly what I was thinking.  Haptic tech will one day yield buttons that will puff up from the screen.  Think about those young kids toys that are soft pieces of plastic.  That would be an interesting development.  All the basic tech is around but, I don't know if anyone has solved how to put it all together.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 03, 2011, 06:17:24 PM
Iwata already stressed the importance of buttons, so they are not going anywhere.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 03, 2011, 06:19:49 PM
I find the controller with the screen to be neat, but I hopwe that Nintendo actually gives us an evolution of the Wiimote and nunchcuck. I really liked the motion contro system and giving something better would be an even bigger incentive for me to buy the system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MaryJane on June 03, 2011, 06:22:24 PM
What if it's something like this: http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22550/page1/ (http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22550/page1/)

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Touch-screen technology has become wildly popular, thanks to smart phones designed for nimble fingers. But most touch screens have a major drawback: you need to keep a close eye on the screen as you tap, to make sure that you hit the right virtual buttons. As touch screens become more popular in other contexts, such as in-car navigation and entertainment systems, this lack of sensory feedback could become a dangerous distraction.

Now researchers at Carnegie Mellon University have developed buttons that pop out from a touch-screen surface. The design retains the dynamic display capabilities of a normal touch screen but can also produce tactile buttons for certain functions.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2011, 06:25:25 PM
What if it's something like this: http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22550/page1/ (http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22550/page1/)

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Touch-screen technology has become wildly popular, thanks to smart phones designed for nimble fingers. But most touch screens have a major drawback: you need to keep a close eye on the screen as you tap, to make sure that you hit the right virtual buttons. As touch screens become more popular in other contexts, such as in-car navigation and entertainment systems, this lack of sensory feedback could become a dangerous distraction.

Now researchers at Carnegie Mellon University have developed buttons that pop out from a touch-screen surface. The design retains the dynamic display capabilities of a normal touch screen but can also produce tactile buttons for certain functions.

Oh my, that would make texting while driving so much easier again since I'll know where the buttons are by feel an not have to look down all the time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 03, 2011, 06:27:41 PM
Texting while driving...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 03, 2011, 06:35:14 PM
I just thought of what the tablet controller could do for the Virtual Console. What it could happen is that each controller could appear on the screen with Haptic buttons. For example, while playing Genesis games a Genesis controller appears on the screen shaped by Haptics.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on June 03, 2011, 06:41:37 PM
Angry Birds will come to the Cafe.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 03, 2011, 06:50:47 PM
I'm glad to hear it has a RECHARGABLE battery in it.  Using AA batteries in the Wii was almost as embarassingly out-of-date as ignoring HDTV connections.

Let's see if the normal controller stuff is on there.  If they're not then it's an instant no-purchase from me.  Unless it has the normal stuff on there too, it could power NASA and still be stuck in casual land.

Good to hear about the TV as well.  Thank God those "the system is the controller" suggestions aren't true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 03, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
it could power NASA

I seen some show once about the space shuttles and they used really primitive computers which are basically the same as when they were built, and they said odds are the computer in your wrist watch is more powerful. I don't know if they meant that literally or if they were just exaggerating, but anyway the point is NASA probably requires less computer power than one might think.

Now, SETI on the other hand...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on June 03, 2011, 07:01:50 PM
I wouldn't expect NASA to have relatively new hardware, but you'd think their hardware would have been considered highly advanced when new, so that even years down the road, they'd still be capable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 03, 2011, 07:32:55 PM
NASA accomplished its greatest feats back in the 1960s-19702 such as when they landed on the moon and sent out all those probes and so on... and of course the only computers available back then were those hulking behemoths which were the size of a house yet no more powerful than a calculator.

Its weird how computers have gotten so much more powerful yet less and less stuff is getting accomplished anymore.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on June 03, 2011, 07:34:15 PM
I guess nobody just feels like it anymore.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on June 03, 2011, 07:37:56 PM
Its a brave new world.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 03, 2011, 07:58:26 PM
NASA accomplished its greatest feats back in the 1960s-19702 such as when they landed on the moon and sent out all those probes and so on... and of course the only computers available back then were those hulking behemoths which were the size of a house yet no more powerful than a calculator.

Its weird how computers have gotten so much more powerful yet less and less stuff is getting accomplished anymore.

ahh what?

NASA has been made basically obsolete because rich people are building their own spacecrafts.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 03, 2011, 08:32:12 PM
NASA accomplished its greatest feats back in the 1960s-19702 such as when they landed on the moon and sent out all those probes and so on... and of course the only computers available back then were those hulking behemoths which were the size of a house yet no more powerful than a calculator.

Its weird how computers have gotten so much more powerful yet less and less stuff is getting accomplished anymore.

NASA accomplished so much back then because 1. they were much better funded and 2. they were given a goal and allowed to work toward it, instead of being constantly micromanaged and forced into unnecessary pet projects by congress like they are now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MaryJane on June 03, 2011, 09:04:51 PM
So rather than talk about how NASA is an antiquated department of government since we can't discuss politics, how about what it would mean, would it be feasible, for the controller to have raised touchscreen 'buttons'?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on June 03, 2011, 09:12:56 PM
I'd rather the screen give an electrical charge to make it feel like you are hitting a button rather than actual buttons. One of these posts linked to a technology that gives an impression of touching something by stimulating nerve endings. That would be pretty cool, until someone uses it to make it feel like a needle went through your finger...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 03, 2011, 09:15:34 PM
So rather than talk about how NASA is an antiquated department of government since we can't discuss politics, how about what it would mean, would it be feasible, for the controller to have raised touchscreen 'buttons'?

First, let me make it clear: do not make a political statement (particularly a false political statement, like you just made) in the process of pointing out the ban on political discussion.

Second, unless I've missed a whole bunch of things, the tech isn't advanced to the point where that would be feasible in a consumer product, and even if it were I doubt Nintendo would be at the forefront of pushing it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 03, 2011, 10:02:03 PM
I don't know.  This still worries me.  If this 6"screen business is indeed true, what are they sacrificing for the room and ergonomics? 

It needs to be positioned in such a way that it will be quick and easy to use on the fly, but also somewhere that allows our buttons and control sticks and things.  Unless, contrary to there word, they are forgoing buttons and everything is done on the touch screen.  Damn I hope not

I guess this will also mean that rumble is out.

Btw, lols at the 360 ad banner beneath the page.

This is what I have in mind

Image

I'm expecting something sort of tablet-like but with traditional grips on the back for comfort.
But why would that mean rumble is out?

We would have to hold this thing for hours on end.  It can't be top heavy or it will be annoying to hold for too long.  I think 6" is just far too big.  The screen itself is a sound idea, but that size, it just sounds completely unwieldy for any reasonable length of time. 

I know that Nintendo has said that buttons are a must.  But I'm afraid that won't be enough to convince me until I see it.  This is Nintendo we are talking about.  They are renowned for making stupidly short sighted decisions for a easy buck.  They have to have room to put this screen on a controller and have it ergonomic with quick and easy access to both controls.  I just can't see that happening with all these things on it.

As for my missing rumble prediction, 2 main reasons. 
1. Battery life.  We are running the obilgitory controls (hopefully), a 6 inch touch screen, rumble, bluetooth and whatever else is necessary for it to work pretty much full time, and a microphone, camera, speaker and goodness knows what else when they are needed.   Presumably the 2 biggest drains on a battery will be the touch screen and the rumble motor.  The motor will probably have to go to get any decent life out of it.
2. I don't know how well a screen like that will like to be shaking around on a regular basis, plus the magnetic field such a motor produces.  I could be wrong about that though.

I'd rather the screen give an electrical charge to make it feel like you are hitting a button rather than actual buttons. One of these posts linked to a technology that gives an impression of touching something by stimulating nerve endings. That would be pretty cool, until someone uses it to make it feel like a needle went through your finger...

Actually, one of my mates has a car head unit with a touch screen that actually feels like it clicks when you press it.  It is so weird.  That might be useful. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 03, 2011, 10:02:22 PM
The touchscreen and camera stuff make me worried that Nintendo is going to abandon the Wiimote and Nunchuk. I'll be severely disappointed if that is the case, but I guess I'll just have to wait and see if they plan to use attachments like the Wiimote does.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2011, 10:30:38 PM
The original rumor was that the Café controller had some sort of IR sensor and would double as a sensor bar.

Also that Café was fully Wii backwards compatible.

So worse case scenario, you should still be able to use your Wiimotes.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 03, 2011, 10:39:04 PM
Yeah, but that sounds like it's only with Wii games, not with games for the new system. Also, even the Motion Plus has a few hiccups, so I was hoping that they would improve the motion sensors once more to create true 1:1 motion control with no issues.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2011, 10:44:48 PM
one of the rumors was that there was better than move motion tracking...
so that may imply that there might actually be an upgraded wiimote available too. A Wiimote+ 2.0 perhaps.

If the controller has a dock that allows it to sit upright and the wiimote 2.0 is trackable by the camera on the controller, then you could have a situation where the wiimote and Café controller are tracking each other (IR sensors on the café controller).

BUt honestly, that is all speculation. It makes sense to me, but may be far from the truth.

3 Days, 13 hours & 15 minutes till the moment of truth
Title: ESRB Leak *update*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2011, 01:35:35 AM
Remember that supposed ESRB leak from a few days ago....

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This list includes: a new mini-game collection, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. 4, Endless Ocean, Pikmin, Kirby, a new Zelda collection, Animal Crossing, Kid Icarus, Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario., Dead Rising 2, Street Fighter 4, Resident Evil 5 "or something that looked like it," Silent Hill Downpour, a new Suda51 game that is "not No More Heroes" but is about "something hunting demons," "some mech game," Trauma Center: Current Crisis, Soul Calibur, Tekken, GTA V, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, "some Metal Gear Solid game where you play as a girl," "some cyber punk game" that looks like Snatcher, Gradius, Contra, Castlevania, and "Fallout 3 or 4."

It mentioned Contra and game that looked like Snatcher.

The next day Contra was teased at the Konami conference and if you watched the conference closely you will notice something else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bvyq8S46O0&feature=player_embedded#at=56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bvyq8S46O0&feature=player_embedded#at=56)

(http://i51.tinypic.com/2q900zp.jpg)

now that has got to be more than just a coincidence right?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on June 04, 2011, 02:01:51 AM
I think that list of games from the ESRB just got a whole lot more serious!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 04, 2011, 02:49:35 AM
YEEEEEHAAAAAWWWW! Yeah man I am hyped!!!! Man what a fun time to be a fan!!!!! I just might go to church on Sunday!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 04, 2011, 02:56:47 AM
If Snatcher is announced for the Super Wii and/or 3DS this E3, I will buy everyone on this forum a round of beer of their choice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 04, 2011, 05:25:05 AM
Guinness!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 04, 2011, 10:05:24 AM
One of those super sick quality Root Beers you have to know a place for.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 04, 2011, 12:57:11 PM
If Snatcher is announced for the Super Wii and/or 3DS this E3, I will buy everyone on this forum a round of beer of their choice.

Buying alcohol for minors is a crime.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on June 04, 2011, 02:14:06 PM
Depends on what country you're in.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2011, 06:10:58 PM
01net has a new article up
http://www.01net.com/editorial/533824/avant-l-e3-un-dernier-point-sur-le-project-cafe/

A rumor breakdown w/ plausibility chart
(http://i.imgur.com/maDIi.jpg)
http://www.01net.com/images/article/585538.jpg
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 04, 2011, 06:25:38 PM
Guinness!
Exactly what I was thinking!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on June 04, 2011, 06:36:41 PM
Hot Definition confirmed by Nintendo :O :O :O
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on June 05, 2011, 01:04:55 AM
http://mynintendonews.com/2011/06/04/nintendo-wii-new-super-mario-bros-wii-2-to-be-announced-at-e3-according-to-retail-list/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2011/06/04/nintendo-wii-new-super-mario-bros-wii-2-to-be-announced-at-e3-according-to-retail-list/)


I could see this happening for this Holiday for the mainstream crowd. Take the same engine, create 80 new levels, and presto!


And if it's true, I suspect Jon Lindemann will shudder the exact moment it's announced.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 05, 2011, 01:09:39 AM
Thats cool, but I wish they would have saved it for Cafe.
Title: Super Mario Wii 2!? as in Super Mario for Wii 2?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 01:12:59 AM
http://mynintendonews.com/2011/06/04/nintendo-wii-new-super-mario-bros-wii-2-to-be-announced-at-e3-according-to-retail-list/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2011/06/04/nintendo-wii-new-super-mario-bros-wii-2-to-be-announced-at-e3-according-to-retail-list/)

I could see this happening for this Holiday for the mainstream crowd. Take the same engine, create 80 new levels, and presto!

And if it's true, I suspect Jon Lindemann will shudder the exact moment it's announced.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/m76s5f.jpg)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28273771&postcount=1 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28273771&postcount=1)
Title: Super Mario World 3!? For the Nintendo Current.....
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 01:14:32 AM
Could be another joke from 4chan, but sometimes you just never know.
(http://i.imgur.com/MJmjk.png)


and I really dislike that name. Current.


I much rather prefer Stream over Current.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 05, 2011, 01:14:55 AM
Thats cool, but I wish they would have saved it for Cafe.
It says "Super Mario Wii 2" and they have "Wii 2" listed under Wii, so it might actually reference Cafe.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on June 05, 2011, 01:15:42 AM
Zelda's Skyward Wii is over 9,999!!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 05, 2011, 01:53:07 AM
Ah thank you my hopes are raised again to sky high levels!
Title: ESRB Leak *update 2*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 01:55:40 AM
Remember that supposed ESRB leak from a few days ago....

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This list includes: a new mini-game collection, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. 4, Endless Ocean, Pikmin, Kirby, a new Zelda collection, Animal Crossing, Kid Icarus, Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario., Dead Rising 2, Street Fighter 4, Resident Evil 5 "or something that looked like it," Silent Hill Downpour, a new Suda51 game that is "not No More Heroes" but is about "something hunting demons," "some mech game," Trauma Center: Current Crisis, Soul Calibur, Tekken, GTA V, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, "some Metal Gear Solid game where you play as a girl," "some cyber punk game" that looks like Snatcher, Gradius, Contra, Castlevania, and "Fallout 3 or 4."

It mentioned Contra and game that looked like Snatcher.

The next day Contra was teased at the Konami conference and if you watched the conference closely you will notice something else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bvyq8S46O0&feature=player_embedded#at=56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bvyq8S46O0&feature=player_embedded#at=56)

http://i51.tinypic.com/2q900zp.jpg (http://i51.tinypic.com/2q900zp.jpg)

now that has got to be more than just a coincidence right?

Everything the "ESRB Guy" said back on May 15th 2011
(http://i.imgur.com/fy2gp.jpg)

As you can see by the previous update, some of those statements have proven themselves true (Contra & Snatcher specifically) but he kinda loses some credibility with the Zelda Universe comment, although it could be refered to that as some sort of code name until official announcement....

2 days 10hours 5minutes remain
Title: Another 4Chan leak!? I want to believe it. So do you.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 02:26:07 AM
As with everything else, I would that this with a spoonful of salt and a shot of tequila

More from 4Chan
http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/97495083 (http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/97495083)
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The System:
- Uses a custom IBM triple-core CPU running at 3.6GHz per core
- The development kit contains 1gb RAM, but Nintendo have hinted that the console will actually have 1.5gb
- Nintendo will be releasing games that will run 1080p natively. Sources say that with Nintendo’s art style and the power of the system, the games look ‘stunning’.
- The system does run on AMD R700 card, but the architecture is slightly different and the clock speeds are much higher.
- The System resembles JPN/EU SNES machines in color only and not in shape
- The development kit is about the size of a 360, not the console
- Close sources say it’s as if Nintendo is in “damage control” with 3rd party developers. Nintendo is trying really hard to get 3rd parties on board to develop games and have offered incentives such as not releasing big-title Nintendo games in holiday seasons to compete against 3rd party titles.
- Nintendo went to many 3rd party developers on guidance on what they were after with the new console in terms of system specs, controller and online system.

The Controller:
- Nintendo have been keeping this really quiet and have only given developers controller prototypes to start designing games. However, the final controller build with all the features have only been given to Nintendo 1st and 2nd party developers for now.
- Nintendo had planned on inserting a screen on the controller back when the Gamecube was in development, but opted out due to technology not being advanced enough to be functional
- The controller that’s been given to developers has a large 5.7inch hd (960x640pixel) screen, 2 analogue sticks, 4 face buttons, 3 middle buttons (select/home/start in that order), 2 shoulder buttons and 2 triggers.
- The triggers aren’t as deep as the 360’s triggers, but have plenty of push
- The big thing about the screen is that it’s a multi-touch screen, contains it’s own battery and is detachable from the controller unit
- The screen when detached contains its own memory so developers can store data on it, so gamers can play whatever the developer designs for the screen-only use
- When the screen is attached to the controller it works by streaming content directly from the console
- Nintendo are giving developers ideas other than just having it function as a quick menu screen for games while attached, or as a simple tamagochi-like mini-game when detached
- The controller contains a gyroscope, but motion controls isn’t the focus of the controller like it was for the Wii

Games:
- Nintendo will release a Mario platformer as a launch title which hasn’t been done since the N64.
- The Mario platformer looks to be the spiritual successor to Mario 64.
- Gamefreak and EAD are hard at work developing a Pokemon online RPG.
- The Pokemon RPG is not an MMO, but does have a large online emphasis and will be Nintendo’s flagship title when showing off the online capabilities of the console.
- There will be at least one new IP Nintendo will reveal at E3.
- Nintendo is working on a new Zelda, but didn’t reveal anything to developers.

Other:
- Some developers have had the Wii 2 dev kit for going on 2 years now. When the Wii 2 is released in late, that’s 3 years to develop games on.
- Because of such generous development time, Nintendo have pushed 3rd parties to develop high quality games to be released at or near launch.
- Nintendo have sourced an external company to develop their online network, which the developer has commented, surpasses both the PS3 and 360 in terms of speed and functionality.
- Nintendo is pushing for the console to be online 24/7 and have seamless online integration with many of their games
- Friend codes are confirmed to be gone
- Nintendo has been toying with the idea of a game where the main character is your Mii
- Nintendo will be pushing their Pokemon RPG to showcase their online network
- Rockstar are supposedly hard at work in bringing on of their “most popular” titles to the console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: KDR_11k on June 05, 2011, 03:07:42 AM
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Nintendo is trying really hard to get 3rd parties on board to develop games and have offered incentives such as not releasing big-title Nintendo games in holiday seasons to compete against 3rd party titles.

Anyone who's that afraid of a competitor has no business making games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on June 05, 2011, 05:21:26 AM
If motion/pointer control goes away completely I will cry. Superior way to play.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MaryJane on June 05, 2011, 09:59:31 AM
Quote
- The big thing about the screen is that it’s a multi-touch screen, contains it’s own battery and is detachable from the controller unit
- The screen when detached contains its own memory so developers can store data on it, so gamers can play whatever the developer designs for the screen-only use
- When the screen is attached to the controller it works by streaming content directly from the console
- Nintendo are giving developers ideas other than just having it function as a quick menu screen for games while attached, or as a simple tamagochi-like mini-game when detached
- The controller contains a gyroscope, but motion controls isn’t the focus of the controller like it was for the Wii

If the screen is detachable from the controller (as I speculated a while back) and has it's own battery, it's very possible that the controller can split in two and be used for motion gaming.


Oh, and now buttons on the screen is seeming even more likely.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 10:31:04 AM
Thats cool, but I wish they would have saved it for Cafe.
It says "Super Mario Wii 2" and they have "Wii 2" listed under Wii, so it might actually reference Cafe.

Unfortunately, it likely means nothing
http://www.facebook.com/emorii/posts/209601609078197

Place holders in the EB Games AUS Directory based on what they think will be announced.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on June 05, 2011, 10:41:25 AM
Hot Definition confirmed by Nintendo :O :O :O

Chaud means hot in french

haute is high in french

I don't know why that just bugged me enough to post haha
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 11:52:43 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/markmacd/status/77286051869241344 (http://twitter.com/#!/markmacd/status/77286051869241344)
Quote from: Mark McDonald
Rumor of Virtual Console "remasterings" for next Nintendo console interesting since Iwata told me of same idea for Wii in ooold EGM intervew


That might make some of these games worth the price they wish to charge for them.... maybe.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on June 05, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
Quote
- The big thing about the screen is that it’s a multi-touch screen, contains it’s own battery and is detachable from the controller unit
- The screen when detached contains its own memory so developers can store data on it, so gamers can play whatever the developer designs for the screen-only use
- When the screen is attached to the controller it works by streaming content directly from the console
- Nintendo are giving developers ideas other than just having it function as a quick menu screen for games while attached, or as a simple tamagochi-like mini-game when detached
- The controller contains a gyroscope, but motion controls isn’t the focus of the controller like it was for the Wii

If the screen is detachable from the controller (as I speculated a while back) and has it's own battery, it's very possible that the controller can split in two and be used for motion gaming.


Oh, and now buttons on the screen is seeming even more likely.

Isn't that called a "3DS"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: RABicle on June 05, 2011, 12:35:29 PM
Quote
The System:
- Uses a custom IBM triple-core CPU running at 3.6GHz per core
Sped up 360?

Quote
- The big thing about the screen is that it’s a multi-touch screen
Aren't Apple defending that patent with vigour?

Quote
- There will be at least one new IP Nintendo will reveal at E3.
I'm revealing at least 3 on pietriots. If I finish writing it tonight. Might have to wait for my morning.
- Nintendo is working on a new Zelda, but didn’t reveal anything to developers.

Quote
- Nintendo have sourced an external company to develop their online network, which the developer has commented, surpasses both the PS3 and 360 in terms of speed and functionality.
- Nintendo is pushing for the console to be online 24/7 and have seamless online integration with many of their games
- Friend codes are confirmed to be gone
Confirming it now: It's Facebook.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MaryJane on June 05, 2011, 01:02:15 PM
Quote
- The big thing about the screen is that it’s a multi-touch screen, contains it’s own battery and is detachable from the controller unit
- The screen when detached contains its own memory so developers can store data on it, so gamers can play whatever the developer designs for the screen-only use
- When the screen is attached to the controller it works by streaming content directly from the console
- Nintendo are giving developers ideas other than just having it function as a quick menu screen for games while attached, or as a simple tamagochi-like mini-game when detached
- The controller contains a gyroscope, but motion controls isn’t the focus of the controller like it was for the Wii

If the screen is detachable from the controller (as I speculated a while back) and has it's own battery, it's very possible that the controller can split in two and be used for motion gaming.


Oh, and now buttons on the screen is seeming even more likely.

Isn't that called a "3DS"

Uhh... No. One screen vs. two. 3D vs 2D. Separating screen. Wiimote and Nunchuck vs. Single clamshell unit.
Title: Project Cafe to be called... Nintendo?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 01:19:44 PM
Could Nintendo's next console just simply be called NINTENDO?
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/06/05/final-nintendo-hd-name-debate-continues.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/06/05/final-nintendo-hd-name-debate-continues.aspx)
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Of course, it's unlikely we'll know for sure until Tuesday morning's Nintendo press briefing. Even so, new variations are still emerging on the name even this late in the process. The most recent reports Game Informer is hearing, just two days before the show? It's possible the final name will be just a single word that everyone is already familiar with.

Nintendo.

It would be great if they see success like they did with both the Wii & DS to have everyone just simply referring to gaming as Nintendo. It would be just like back in the days of NES and SNES when lots of people just associated gaming with the word Nintendo regardless of what system you were actually playing.

One kid could turn on Sonic and start playing it an adult could come in the room and and comment on how that Nintendo game looks like fun. Of course us knowledgeable types would always correct them, but it would happen all the time. Nintendo was synonymous with Gaming and Nintendo trying to recapture that by naming Project Café simply Nintendo could be a call to all the lost gamers over the years to remember...

Don't underestimate the power of Nostalgia, and Nintendo has been tapping into it for years with the Virtual Console and games like New Super Mario Bros. for both Wii & DS.

I am fully onboard with the new system having the name Nintendo.



But I also wouldn't mind the name Stream, Striim, xStream or something like that. Just not Current. Current sound so like it's not thought out so well even if it describes some function of the new system. Could you imagine Mario Kart Current or StarFox Current? neither can I.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2011, 01:23:15 PM
And Striim doesn't?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 01:34:57 PM
Stream/Striim sounds fine.

The spelling looks weird, but the way it sounds and flows with the naming of games sounds much better than Current. The spelling would just be to relate it to Wii in some way and easy trademarking. adding a small x in front of it for game naming makes everything sound EXTREME though, and that is already better than Current.

Mario Kart xStriim, 1080 xStriim, xStriim Sports
The marketing is too easy though and would likely get abused, but still sounds better than Current.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 05, 2011, 01:35:48 PM
Calling it just Nintendo would make things pretty confusing, given that they have other products. Unlike with the Wii, the Nintendo brand is a prominent part of the DS and 3DS names. Also, to an uninformed person, Nintendo 3DS could sound like an enhanced version of just Nintendo. Not to mention the problems it could cause for us game journalists in laying out web sites, having to distinguish between Nintendo the company and Nintendo the console.
Title: Nintendo Beem?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 02:36:05 PM
Ok, how about something that kinda rhymes with Stream and in the context it was being used kinda means the same thing too.

Nintendo Beem

Is anybody opposed that name? Still sounds better than Current.

But "why Nintendo Beem" you might ask. And well "just have a look at this" I would say;

Could ‘Beem’ be Project Café’s real name?
http://wii2blog.com/could-beem-be-project-cafes-real-name/ (http://wii2blog.com/could-beem-be-project-cafes-real-name/)
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Apparently, the domain beem.com was sold on January 31st for about $136,000*, most likely to a major company. Dooks1111 told me that when he tried to access the site then, he found a logo on it which looks very much like a possible logo for a gaming console, which he then sent me a screenshot of. Here it is:

(http://i.imgur.com/nbqGW.jpg)

The domain currently resolves to a blank page, and is under WHOIS protection, which would make sense if Nintendo is indeed trying to mask the identity of its new console.

It’s interesting to note that just a couple of weeks prior, Nintendo registered the domain touchthegame.com, which strongly supports everything we’ve been hearing about a touchscreen-enabled controller. Now, while there is no way to find out who actually owns beem.com, the relatively close registration dates of both domains suggests that it’s possible they may be related.
Quote from: *
Secret Buyer

As mentioned above, Kate Wilson, Karen King and now Emily Jones all have something in common! They use the Authsome.com domain as an email address and are in whois after a domain sells. jones@authsome.com is another email used when the domain name Beem.com sold for $136,000 in January 2011. Beem.com is under privacy protection and doesn’t resolve currently, but it was likely purchased by a large company.



Then there is also this
Quote from: Coolio McAwseome
NINTENDOBEEM.COM
- Registered on May 24, 2011 through the same company that registered NINTENDOWII.COM and NINTENDO3DS.COM. This was registered nearly a year before any of the next-gen speculation began.

NINTENDOBEEEM.COM
NINTENDOBEAM.COM
- Registered on May 28, 2011 through two differed registrars. This obviously isn't just a coincidence.

NINTENDOBEEMSTORE.COM
NINTENDOBEEMSHOP.COM
NINTENDOBEEMGAMES.COM
- All registered on June 1, 2011.

There is also
BeemShop.com
-created on May 23, 2011

owner is set to private

may be nothing, but it's still interesting.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 05, 2011, 02:44:42 PM
Beem me up, Reggie!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on June 05, 2011, 02:47:36 PM
beem...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 03:00:15 PM
Hmmmm....

May 10, 2011 - IGN
http://www.ign.com/blogs/daimyonintendo/2011/05/10/im-calling-it-now-nintendo-beem (http://www.ign.com/blogs/daimyonintendo/2011/05/10/im-calling-it-now-nintendo-beem)
(http://i.imgur.com/t31w5.jpg)

Hmmmm.....

May 7, 2011
http://video-games.findtechnologynews.com/project-cafe-your-wii-2-designs/ (http://video-games.findtechnologynews.com/project-cafe-your-wii-2-designs/)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2ypglqx.jpg)

There is also a Nintendo Current design at the link...
I remember seeing all these, but it didn't really stick with me since we were all so focused on the controller and it's designs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Arbok on June 05, 2011, 03:05:24 PM
Well the Beem certainly kind of shares the same naming convention of the Wii:

- it's unusual
- hate it the first time you hear it
- sounds natural and better the more you think about it
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 03:41:10 PM
Hmmmm....

May 10, 2011 - IGN
http://www.ign.com/blogs/daimyonintendo/2011/05/10/im-calling-it-now-nintendo-beem (http://www.ign.com/blogs/daimyonintendo/2011/05/10/im-calling-it-now-nintendo-beem)
(http://i.imgur.com/t31w5.jpg)

Hmmmm.....

May 7, 2011
http://video-games.findtechnologynews.com/project-cafe-your-wii-2-designs/ (http://video-games.findtechnologynews.com/project-cafe-your-wii-2-designs/)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2ypglqx.jpg)

There is also a Nintendo Current design at the link...
I remember seeing all these, but it didn't really stick with me since we were all so focused on the controller and it's designs.

hmmmmm......

http://whois.domaintools.com/beemblog.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/beemblog.com)

Aaron Carr, creator of the Mock-up above with the name Beem
Aaron Carr, the owner of  Ghost and Horse
Ghost and Horse is the owner of NintendoBeemShop.com, NintendoBeemGames.com

Could Aaron Carr have bought the beem.com domain too and then someone bought it off of him for 136k? Or is this all some elaborate prank?

NintendoBeemStore.com & Beem.com are both registered under Private.

edit:
.... http://www.projectbeem.co.cc/?e7a26600 (http://www.projectbeem.co.cc/?e7a26600)

This guy went through a lot of trouble for all of this.

I said WOW and then proceeded to LOL
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on June 05, 2011, 03:45:40 PM
Curious how the name of the buyer of a domain name would be secret, but the price isn't.

Anyway, everyone knows the Cafe will be shaped like a coffee pot.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 03:47:29 PM
.... http://www.projectbeem.co.cc/?e7a26600 (http://www.projectbeem.co.cc/?e7a26600)

This guy went through a lot of trouble for all of this.


I said WOW and then proceeded to LOL
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 05, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
Well, it should really be Biim, but it's better than Current or Stream. Although Nintendo haven't had a good name since the Nintendo Entertainment System.
Title: ESRB Leak *update 3*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
Anyways.... lets get back to the "ESRB Guy"
Remember that supposed ESRB leak from a few days ago....

Quote
This list includes: a new mini-game collection, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. 4, Endless Ocean, Pikmin, Kirby, a new Zelda collection, Animal Crossing, Kid Icarus, Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario., Dead Rising 2, Street Fighter 4, Resident Evil 5 "or something that looked like it," Silent Hill Downpour, a new Suda51 game that is "not No More Heroes" but is about "something hunting demons," "some mech game," Trauma Center: Current Crisis, Soul Calibur, Tekken, GTA V, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, "some Metal Gear Solid game where you play as a girl," "some cyber punk game" that looks like Snatcher, Gradius, Contra, Castlevania, and "Fallout 3 or 4."

It mentioned Contra and game that looked like Snatcher.

The next day Contra was teased at the Konami conference and if you watched the conference closely you will notice something else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bvyq8S46O0&feature=player_embedded#at=56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bvyq8S46O0&feature=player_embedded#at=56)

http://i51.tinypic.com/2q900zp.jpg (http://i51.tinypic.com/2q900zp.jpg)

now that has got to be more than just a coincidence right?

Everything the "ESRB Guy" said back on May 15th 2011
(http://i.imgur.com/fy2gp.jpg)

As you can see by the previous update, some of those statements have proven themselves true (Contra & Snatcher specifically) but he kinda loses some credibility with the Zelda Universe comment, although it could be refered to that as some sort of code name until official announcement....

2 days 10hours 5minutes remain

Detachable Screens, Full GC & Wii BC, Online & Zelda Universe(it's a website, not a game)...
(http://i.imgur.com/pydUW.png)

He talks about the next SSB game which he says is called SSBParadise
(http://i.imgur.com/0J4A3.png)

And he talks more about that Super Mario World 3
(http://i.imgur.com/j84FN.png)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 05, 2011, 04:23:00 PM
My name is Nintendo, Nintendo Beeman.
I get the geeks, Nintendo Creamin.
And all my fans, are Screamin.
Think you can be me? You're Dreamin.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/47504889_408f7d3fab.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 05, 2011, 04:56:10 PM
Hey BlackNM it looks like you posted the same thing twice. Both those things say the exact same thing and it looks like its for Mario World 3. What is the Smash specific stuff?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 05:01:38 PM
Hey BlackNM it looks like you posted the same thing twice. Both those things say the exact same thing and it looks like its for Mario World 3. What is the Smash specific stuff?

I fixed it, but here it is so you don't have to go look again

He talks about the next SSB game which he says is called SSBParadise
(http://i.imgur.com/0J4A3.png)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 05, 2011, 05:12:31 PM
Thanks, that sounds great! But freakin Snake man! They need to nerf the hell out of him and get the latest Metal Gears on Cafe! Actually no, get them all on cafe! I'm just going to totally believe everything, makes me feel good. As for Megaman Trigger, is that like the Megaman without his helmet who appeard in legends and Tatsunoko vs capcom?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2011, 05:43:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t31w5.jpg)
The font looks too much like the Playstation 2's. Shenanigans?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 05, 2011, 05:50:39 PM
The logo doesn't say Beem anyway. It says "3EEM"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on June 05, 2011, 05:58:49 PM
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/06/05/final-nintendo-hd-name-debate-continues.aspx

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This time, the most common scuttlebutt across the industry seems to point to a move towards simplicity in naming conventions. Some have suggested that Nintendo will stick with the enthusiasm for their last console and name the new machine the Wii 2 or Wii HD. Other sites, including Game Informer, have commonly referred to the system as Nintendo HD. Another popular rumor suggests that this next-gen system will be called Nintendo Stream, partly due to the supposed ability of the system to stream info to its own controllers. This idea is at least partially supported by the purported presence of a six-inch touchscreen on the primary controller, which would presumably receive data directly from the core console.

Of course, it's unlikely we'll know for sure until Tuesday morning's Nintendo press briefing. Even so, new variations are still emerging on the name even this late in the process. The most recent reports Game Informer is hearing, just two days before the show? It's possible the final name will be just a single word that everyone is already familiar with.

Nintendo.

Oh. Snap.

It's a reboot, not a sequel.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2011, 06:02:29 PM
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/06/05/final-nintendo-hd-name-debate-continues.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/06/05/final-nintendo-hd-name-debate-continues.aspx)

Oh. Snap.

It's a reboot, not a sequel.

Already posted;
Project Cafe to be called... Nintendo? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676915#msg676915)

I'm just gonna suggest the name
Nintendo Super Entertainment System - "Keeping Gaming Pure"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 05, 2011, 06:17:50 PM
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/06/05/final-nintendo-hd-name-debate-continues.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/06/05/final-nintendo-hd-name-debate-continues.aspx)

Oh. Snap.

It's a reboot, not a sequel.

Already posted;
Project Cafe to be called... Nintendo? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676915#msg676915)

I'm just gonna suggest the name
Nintendo Super Entertainment System - "Keeping Gaming Pure"

I saw what you did their.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 05, 2011, 07:26:19 PM
Current is a TV channel i watch on occasion. It has a good show on it called Vanguard. There is a channel called We, but I never watch it.


as for Nintendo. They will have to make a new franchise. Not because they need to, but because the're current Franchises are tied up. Im thinking Nintendo is devoting its Mario Resources to 3DS, and its Zelda Resources to Wii. So to fill the void they will have to make a new franchise. That is probably what Current is.
Also, current might use heart monitor tech. If the system (which we all hope) is going to has power behind it than what are they going to use it on if Mario and Zelda are tied up? Nintendo usually creates its new franchises at the beginning of a systems life. Some are big, some are tiny. There was Pikmin on GCN, and Miis on Wii. Also, didn't Miyamoto say he was interested in making his own Survival Horror?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 05, 2011, 11:35:56 PM
I was over at the smash boards forums and those guys are siting BlackNMild for rumors. They think you are staff member of NWA. Yes NWA. Actually maybe one of our guys from here is posting there. But no one besides me was ever a regular online smasher.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: RABicle on June 06, 2011, 05:30:11 AM
Massively Multiplayer F-Zero at launch
Will Wright returns to gaming
Deadly Premonition sequel
Pokemon RPG set in frontier colonization times (http://pietriots.com/2011/06/06/2317/)

Cafe is full of surprises.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 07:32:43 AM
That F-Zero game would be amazing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 06, 2011, 08:28:51 AM
amazing like your cat avatar Dasmos.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 09:02:02 AM
It's almost as amazing as my cat avatar.
Title: BG&E2 Café bound?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2011, 07:48:24 PM
Beyond Good & Evil 2 coming to Café?
Sounds like it's all but confirmed to me. You must Believe.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-06-06-no-beyond-good-and-evil-2-this-generation (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-06-06-no-beyond-good-and-evil-2-this-generation)
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No Beyond Good & Evil 2 this generation

Michel Ancel has confirmed that the much-anticipated sequel to Beyond Good & Evil will not be released on the current generation of home consoles.

You've got to learn how to read between the lines... and it's necessary here because I don't have a GI.biz account and can't see the rest of the article.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 08:03:06 PM
I guess we'll see if Cafe is the last current generation console or the first next generation console.
Title: FarCry3 for Café was already revealed!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2011, 09:45:41 AM
One last thing before the conference in 2hrs 15minutes

FarCry3 will be announced for Café
3rd parties were showing off Café games yesterday and that is why they weren't naming platforms... Just vague 2012 release dates.

Proof!? What do you mean you need proof!? After all this time none of you believe me?

Fine. This is all speculation but...

(http://i.picpar.com/bc7ab5751edd3fbf9f73c1f0ac77993e4c30ba69.png)

How many systems would have a white A button symbol?
My only guess would be a Nintendo system.

I guess we can also assume the system revealed today will have white buttons and probably be all white like the Wii.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 07, 2011, 09:48:20 AM
The graphics in that image also look like Wii quality. I hope the Cafe will be capable of much better than that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 09:48:57 AM
I was already pretty certain FarCry 3 was going to make it to the Cafe. What I didn't know is that it'll be the definitive console for the game. This is great news.

I was addicted to FarCry 2 despite its faults (and there are many of them), so i'm already glad to see they get another shot at making what I think could be the most creative/badass FPS in a long time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Toruresu on June 07, 2011, 09:50:22 AM
Wow, that's a good find!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
Rewatched the trailer and all the buttons are white. Also, at one point it tells you to press the right stick in to perform a takedown. That doesn't sound like Nintendo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 10:01:52 AM
Ok Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctSO3U_0vCg&t=6m19s

Doesn't the way he shoots look familiar? Doesn't that look a little like how you shoot on the wii?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 10:03:04 AM
The graphics in that image also look like Wii quality. I hope the Cafe will be capable of much better than that.
Totally Agree.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2011, 10:17:12 AM
The graphics in that image also look like Wii quality. I hope the Cafe will be capable of much better than that.
Totally Agree.

It's because it's from a low (Non-HD) quality feed and blown up to focus on the hands and button.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 10:18:01 AM
Chozo, you should check out the footage. It looks stunning in some places.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Toruresu on June 07, 2011, 10:50:51 AM
I think I also saw an "X" button in the video, also the lack of a HUD seems weird, or are farcry games like that? He just had the map on the bottom left, that's it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2011, 10:55:54 AM
yeah that's just farcry.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MaryJane on June 07, 2011, 11:02:21 AM
Not sure why, but the video will not play correctly for me, what I did see looked good, and the "A" being white instead of green (like on the 360) makes me think it is a Cafe game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2011, 11:21:01 AM
How many systems would have a white A button symbol?
My only guess would be a Nintendo system.
(http://i.imgur.com/HCWk4.jpg)
There's your white A button. That's the transforming d-pad 360 controller that came out last year. You're probably right though. On screen, it'd probably be green in a 360 game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on June 07, 2011, 11:35:53 AM
The graphics in that image also look like Wii quality. I hope the Cafe will be capable of much better than that.

That screen grab just looks terrible.  I watched the Ubisoft conference live and it looked pretty damn good.  Light years beyond anything the Wii could hope to do.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on June 07, 2011, 11:38:12 AM
How many systems would have a white A button symbol?
My only guess would be a Nintendo system.
(http://i.imgur.com/HCWk4.jpg)
There's your white A button. That's the transforming d-pad 360 controller that came out last year. You're probably right though. On screen, it'd probably be green in a 360 game.

But that doesn't make sense.  Why would they have a white 'A' representing a controller that I doubt a very big chunk of the 360 consumer base even owns?  Most of them, including myself, have the standard controller with a green 'A.'
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on June 07, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
Ok Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctSO3U_0vCg&t=6m19s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctSO3U_0vCg&t=6m19s)

Doesn't the way he shoots look familiar? Doesn't that look a little like how you shoot on the wii?

That looked like a scripted sequence to me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2011, 11:41:22 AM
There's your white A button. That's the transforming d-pad 360 controller that came out last year. You're probably right though. On screen, it'd probably be green in a 360 game.
But that doesn't make sense.  Why would they have a white 'A' representing a controller that I doubt a very big chunk of the 360 consumer base even owns?  Most of them, including myself, have the standard controller with a green 'A.'
At least read the entire post first.....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 07, 2011, 11:43:26 AM
Maybe the A button is from the controller of Microsoft's upcoming console?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 11:45:17 AM
Maybe the A button is from the controller of Microsoft's upcoming console?
The MS Unannounced Surprise 7?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on June 07, 2011, 11:54:33 AM
There's your white A button. That's the transforming d-pad 360 controller that came out last year. You're probably right though. On screen, it'd probably be green in a 360 game.
But that doesn't make sense.  Why would they have a white 'A' representing a controller that I doubt a very big chunk of the 360 consumer base even owns?  Most of them, including myself, have the standard controller with a green 'A.'
At least read the entire post first.....

D'oh! >_>

Sorry, I'm not really clear headed right now because of my giddiness for the conference to begin.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 07, 2011, 02:04:27 PM
I don't know.  This still worries me.  If this 6"screen business is indeed true, what are they sacrificing for the room and ergonomics? 

It needs to be positioned in such a way that it will be quick and easy to use on the fly, but also somewhere that allows our buttons and control sticks and things.  Unless, contrary to there word, they are forgoing buttons and everything is done on the touch screen.  Damn I hope not

I guess this will also mean that rumble is out.

Btw, lols at the 360 ad banner beneath the page.

This is what I have in mind
(http://i51.tinypic.com/16itudy.jpg)

I'm expecting something sort of tablet-like but with traditional grips on the back for comfort.
But why would that mean rumble is out?

this was close
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 07, 2011, 02:06:05 PM
This wasn't just close, it arguably looks more usable and comfortable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 02:06:19 PM
I don't know.  This still worries me.  If this 6"screen business is indeed true, what are they sacrificing for the room and ergonomics? 

It needs to be positioned in such a way that it will be quick and easy to use on the fly, but also somewhere that allows our buttons and control sticks and things.  Unless, contrary to there word, they are forgoing buttons and everything is done on the touch screen.  Damn I hope not

I guess this will also mean that rumble is out.

Btw, lols at the 360 ad banner beneath the page.

This is what I have in mind
(http://i51.tinypic.com/16itudy.jpg)

I'm expecting something sort of tablet-like but with traditional grips on the back for comfort.
But why would that mean rumble is out?

this was close
But that is better till I here differently from the staff and I had even trimmed that one down.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2011, 02:27:05 PM
That's not the one you trimmed down.

The one you did looked like a Tetris shape.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 02:30:06 PM
That's not the one you trimmed down.

The one you did looked like a Tetris shape.
I was mention I had a version which I trimmed down of that picture.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2011, 02:31:50 PM
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f118/Cericme/HackedTogetherWiiStream.jpg)

This is more what I was thinking with this design.  I'm drawing up a mock-up of what I think it should be.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on June 07, 2011, 03:39:16 PM
This wasn't just close, it arguably looks more usable and comfortable.

holding up the bulk of the wait from the bottom? nah
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 04:22:00 PM
This wasn't just close, it arguably looks more usable and comfortable.

holding up the bulk of the wait from the bottom? nah
I've held things both way and I find the bottom approach better.
Title: Wuu is Power 7 based?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2011, 07:10:54 PM

Is this what the Wiiu CPU is based?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER7)

IBM said it is a 45nm Power based SOI chip... same tech that was in Watson*
Nintendo needs an OoO CPU to keep that easy breezy BC with Wii.

IBM designed it with using it commercially in mind and it does use some Cell based tech/knowledge in it.

It can clock upto 4.25Ghz, but Nintendo would likely downclock it to mid 3Ghz (3.25Ghz-3.5Ghz?) and this chip would still far outclass both the 360 & PS3 CPU.


It's only available in a multi-core setup (it says starting at 4 cores)

That's not even counting the fact that IBM said it will have "a lot" of embedded RAM on chip. How much RAM does a CPU usually have embedded? I'm not sure, but from what I've read, a CPU doesn't usually have that much. So what would having alot of it mean for the Wuu? I don't know, but it sounds like nothing but good news to me.





*
IBM Wuutson Inside (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678425#msg678425)[/b][/size]
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 07, 2011, 07:15:12 PM
It can clock upto 4.25Ghz, but Nintendo would likely downclock it to mid 3Ghz

Why does Nintendo want to artificially gimp its performance potential?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2011, 07:23:25 PM
CPU would run hot and have lower yields at full speed.

You want as many working chips off a silicon as possible, and for as small as the system is again, you really don't want it to run hot at all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 07, 2011, 07:25:18 PM
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Why does Nintendo want to artificially gimp its performance potential?

Cooling perhaps?  Maybe if they run it full on it would overheat the system with the way they have everything arranged on the motherboard.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on June 07, 2011, 07:27:08 PM
They can always unlock it at a later date, if need be. Sorta like an N64 expansion pack, but they'd be able to roll it out easily in a software update.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 07, 2011, 07:30:42 PM
Overheating is a valid concern. The last thing Nintendo needs is a 360 RROD style fiasco.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 07, 2011, 07:32:52 PM
Like BnM said, though, even downclocked to that it would be a big step up from the PS3 and 360.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2011, 08:45:48 PM
Quote from: wiki on IBM Power7
32+32 kB L1 instruction and data cache (per core)[8]
256 kB L2 Cache (per core)
4 MB L3 cache per core with maximum up to 32MB supported

That would mean that with 3 cores Wuu would have
96+96kb L1
768kb L2
12MB of L3

The 360 had 1MB total of L2 cache
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_(processor)

Xenos has already been smoked with 3cores, now imagine if Wuu went with a standard Power7 setup of 4cores....

I think PS3 had
32+32 KB L1
512 KB L2
256KB SRAM

But I don't know if that was per core or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)

Either way, Power7 is packing a punch whether Nintendo down clocked it or not.
Title: Eyefinity & an R800 GPU?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2011, 09:48:56 PM
Could the Wuu be using an AMD R800 GPU and not an R700 GPU?

I think it's pretty obvious that since the Wuu is using AMD and has the ability to simultaneously stream to a controller at the same time as the TV with 0 lag (see the videos), it has to be using some AMD Eyefinity GPU right?

well according to wiki, AMD didn't introduce Eyefinity until the R8XX family of GPU which would be the HD5XXX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family))
Quote from: wiki on HD5000 series & Eyefinity
AMD also introduced AMD Eyefinity Technology (previously ATI Eyefinity) in this GPU family - the ability to connect three to six displays to one graphics card. It also supports grouping of multiple monitors into a single large surface (SLS), treated by the OS as a single monitor with very high resolutions. It is promoted as an inexpensive alternative for ultra-high resolution displays.

Now we haven't gotten a confirmation yet in any sort fo way on if Wuu will allow multiple screened controllers to play locally at the same time, but if it did then I woudl imagine they based it off of this?
Quote from: same wiki article
The entire HD 5000 series products have Eyefinity capabilities supporting three outputs. The Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity Edition, however, supports six mini DisplayPort outputs, all of which can be simultaneously active.[6]

Now I don't know the practicality of all this. I don't know if the HD5XXX series is too power hungry or if it even makes sense for Nintendo's needs. I'm just speculating based of the info provided.

Are there any tech people out there that can tell me why this isn't possible or even plausible?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 08, 2011, 06:55:07 AM
Calling KDR!!!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 08, 2011, 07:25:18 AM
Quote
Why does Nintendo want to artificially gimp its performance potential?

Cooling perhaps?  Maybe if they run it full on it would overheat the system with the way they have everything arranged on the motherboard.
I agree with the cooling thats the reason most CPU's today are still 2.*ghz.  I doubt they want to move away from a more passive form of cooling.

I don't know about the Wii but I know on GameCube Nintendo messed with the processors speeds so that everything that was talking weren't at odd intervals from each other so the data flowed better.  I'm sure that is part of it too.

How technology has been moving power efficiency has gone up a lot since even the R800 came out so may be.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on June 08, 2011, 09:07:19 AM
Nintendo has also been known to gimp its hardware in order to get everything in the same order of frequency. If they don't synch up there will be wasted clock cycles.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 08, 2011, 09:41:04 AM
Nintendo has also been known to gimp its hardware in order to get everything in the same order of frequency. If they don't synch up there will be wasted clock cycles.
I wouldn't call that gimping because getting things synced up allows for better flow of data.  Which helps in the long run.  Like in a traffic jam just going 2 miles an hour instead of racing up and stopping that continual motion will un-kink thing later down the line.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2011, 01:06:29 PM
12 Pre-E3 Rumors about Zelda: Skyward Sword
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/06/heres-the-first-of-the-annual-batch-of-pre-e3-zelda-rumors.html#more (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/06/heres-the-first-of-the-annual-batch-of-pre-e3-zelda-rumors.html#more)
Quote
1. Skyward Sword is complete, but still needs debugging/testing.

2. There will be a demo at E3 with three different aspects of the game explored: Flying combat, overworld + sky exploration, desert dungeon.

3. Skyward Sword girl's name is "Dorella."

4. Magician from GDC trailer's name is "Nephiburoo," he'll be a part of a group of evil sorcerers who wish to obtain the Triforce.

5. Ganondorf is in the game briefly as a child. Isn't too important to the story.

6. Zelda has a new design, similar to an Egyptian princess with brown hair. She's still recognizable however.

7. Full orchestrated soundtrack by the person responsible for Super Mario Galaxy's soundtrack. (This one is actually true, but I do wonder if the poster only put this one in to make the rumors more
believable.)

8. Two overworlds: Skyloft and Hyrule. Contrast is similar to Heaven and Hell.

9. Ten minute live-action prologue that'll be posted on the net a couple of months before release. (Zelda Williams Secret Shoot? Zelda is rumored to have brown hair and take on an Egyptian princess aesthetic. It COULD fit.)

10. After you complete the game, the game goes into a storyless, neverending epilogue. Every dungeon in the game gets another dungeon inside of it utilizing everything you've obtained in the game with new bosses. New areas on the overworld are unlocked in places you wouldn't expect. Similar to the original Zelda.

11. Game will feature horse riding and boat riding. Not as expansive as seen in Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, however, but a boat will be required to complete some dungeons.

12. Coming November 1st, 2011.

It's missing the all to infamous lucky #13, so I'll add it in myself
13.Skyward Sword will see an HD version for Café. Believe :P: :

The original source was 4chan, but the post has been removed from the site.

Can someone confirm or deny these rumors for me so that I can finish updating the Rumor Consolidation list?

Thanx.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 09, 2011, 03:20:40 PM
Ah there it is. Only things confirmed are Sky Loft, and the Music being done by the galaxy guy. But we knew that before E3.

The wizard guy has a different name, Zelda's name is already Zelda, no Tetra's or Dorella.

No Heavan/Hell contrast, not yet anyway.

No boats or horses yet. No Ganondorf yet, or Egyptian anything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 10, 2011, 07:54:09 PM
I've always felt certain pieces of Super Mario Galaxy's soundtrack sounded like they were taken from a Zelda game, so it's good to see that composer is working on a game that better fits with his style of music.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 11, 2011, 02:14:44 PM
I just hope some of that music is as fun as the galaxy music. Except for the main theme, Hyrul theme, and that river boat theme all the music sounded like emo teen music. Just sad and dreary. Thankully this art style is a bit more cheery cause its the cheery and/or epic tunes that get me going. So far the music that we herd from the orchestra has all been remade music, nothing new or cheery yet. I just hope allot of it will be as memorable as Galaxy.
 
If a midi tune of Melty Monster came up in TP, I bet I would have had a slightly different feeling going through that portion of the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 11, 2011, 06:32:46 PM
You don't like the main theme for Skyward Sword? I think it's as epic as epic can be (though it could use a choir to really get it going)! Especially since you can reverse it and listen to Zelda's Lullaby. It's a wonderful production.

I don't even remember what the main theme songs were for the other games....well except Wind Waker. I loved that beginning theme.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 12, 2011, 03:02:03 AM
Well the main theme for Skyward Sword is fine. I just hope all the tunes are good with just a couple upbeat tunes.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 12, 2011, 09:43:02 AM
I hope the Sound transition and SFX work are on par or better with WW.  I maybe one of the few people in the world that like the progressive feel of the sword hit sounds.  Very Simonish.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: mac<censored> on June 13, 2011, 09:47:40 AM
This wasn't just close, it arguably looks more usable and comfortable.

holding up the bulk of the wait from the bottom? nah

This.

That's one of the (many) reasons why the PSP analogue stick is so horrible, you kinda have to hold it from an awkward bottom position to use the analogue stick (whereas the d-pad is in much more natural position).

Nintendo's actual design for the wiiu controller looks vastly more comfortable (not to mention more secure).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on June 15, 2011, 08:40:33 PM
This wasn't just close, it arguably looks more usable and comfortable.

holding up the bulk of the wait from the bottom? nah

This.

That's one of the (many) reasons why the PSP analogue stick is so horrible, you kinda have to hold it from an awkward bottom position to use the analogue stick (whereas the d-pad is in much more natural position).

Nintendo's actual design for the wiiu controller looks vastly more comfortable (not to mention more secure).

Speaking of which, I thought it was odd they didn't show any wrist straps for the thing during those interactive demo vids. I saw at least one hands-on preview and didn't notice anyone wearing them, but the unit appears to have the slot for it.. I don't always use the strap on my wii mote, but I think I always would with a umote..

Imagine dropping the controller and cracking the screen? I know they haven't mention pricing of the controller but even if its the same price as a wiimote, that's a lot for something so prone to damage. Yeah, I know nintendo makes durable products, but with that huge screen not having any protection from a drop, i can't help but feel it'll be the most easily broken nintendo controller to date.

/paranoid
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 15, 2011, 08:48:27 PM
I think it would be very hard to crack a plastic screen, though it's certainly open to other types of damage. The controller itself is light, but solid and rounded... I don't think it will break so easily.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 15, 2011, 11:39:43 PM
Until someone tries to play Disc Golf with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 16, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
I'd be more worried about a foot or a fat ass.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 16, 2011, 06:37:10 PM
I'd be more worried about a foot or a fat ass.

Skinny, bony ones do more damage.  It's all about the psi.

Since the demo reel showed it being used on the floor as a virtual golf tee, I sincerely hope Nintendo is going to great lengths to make it durable.  Though I can't imagine how a soft resistive touch screen could be protected from shoes.  Or one of those cheesy golf club Wii Remote extensions.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on June 16, 2011, 11:15:51 PM
I'd be more worried about a foot or a fat ass.

Fat ass, you say? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo2vzXndL2g) NSFL
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 17, 2011, 02:53:34 AM
L stands for life!?
Title: GTA V coming in 2012!? it's likely.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2011, 06:09:07 PM
More GTA V rumors - "2012 Likely"
Quote from: Gamespot
Sources close to Rockstar Games say latest installment in blockbuster franchise is already getting final touches; 2012 release "pretty likely."

Saying that Rockstar Games is working on a new Grand Theft Auto game isn't exactly a bold prediction. However, sources close to the Take-Two Interactive subsidiary have confirmed to GameSpot that the next installment in the blockbuster series is "well underway," and is already having final touches such as minigames being applied to it. The source said a 2012 release was "pretty likely."

Unfortunately, the sources would not divulge any further details on the project, which is already the subject of much speculation. A recent set of casting calls from a talent agency point to the game as being set in a Los Angeles-like metropolis, with a motley crew of California characters being filled for a voice-over session. Prior rumors had the game being set in the Miami clone Vice City.

As of press time, Rockstar reps did not have any comment on casting calls, the game's setting, or whether a new GTA was even in development.

Wuu launch title!?...maybe
Launch Window Title!?.... more likely
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: mac<censored> on June 20, 2011, 08:08:43 PM
rockstar really seems to have a talent for making fun games, so it'll probably be great, but ... I do admit I find the whole vice-city shtick kind of stupid.  I'd much rather have one of their trademark sandbox games in some less stupid setting, e.g. red-dead-redemption, etc.

[I suppose I'm just too sick of the LA-centric attitude one gets from a lot of U.S. movies/media...
I was watching a trailer for the upcoming military-fights-against-invading-aliens movie, and somebody in the trailer cried out "New York - Berlin - London - Tokyo have all fallen to the invaders ... WE MUST NOT LOSE LA!!!" ... and I'm thinking "ehhhh, now let's not be too hasty about this ... maybe let 'em have LA, and ..."]
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 21, 2011, 06:38:56 AM
i kinda wanna see a battle: NYC, battle: London, Battle: Tokyo etc
Title: Iwata subsidizes 3DS price drop with executive pay cuts!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2011, 03:02:28 AM
Apparently Nintendo had a share holders meeting today where Iwata took blame for the failure of 3DS to meet sales goals and punished himself and all the execs responsible with pay cuts and bonus reductions...


http://twitter.com/#!/gibbogame/status/96751049607614464 (http://twitter.com/#!/gibbogame/status/96751049607614464)
Quote from: Twitter
Iwata taking responsibility for 3ds,, taking 50% salary cut and other execs 30% cut, reduced bonuses too

It is the most honorable thing to do and something that corporations around the world should do instead of golden parachuting the responsible party.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Plugabugz on July 29, 2011, 05:44:38 AM
I think the 3DS isn't a failure but rather the entire industry that is embracing 3D has failed on: nobody (meaning the majority) want it, and nobody wants to pay extra for it. You can't force me to like something by giving me more of it.

Being a "market of one", as Iwata put it, isn't relevant when few wants that one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 29, 2011, 06:35:09 AM
The price cut should help a lot towards getting the 3DS moving along. We should notice some immediate effect in sales, so it will be interesting to compare sales the month before with sales the month after.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on July 29, 2011, 08:35:48 AM
@BlackNMild2k1 - I wonder how much Iwata and the other executives makes in stocks. I read that execs at Apple (including and especially Steve Jobs), Google and other companies make a yearly salary of $1 then make millions on stocks.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2011, 08:40:53 AM
Nintendo stock has been going down so, I doubt their making to much off it.  I remember Iwata being paid under a Mil. Already.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2011, 11:26:27 AM
@BlackNMild2k1 - I wonder how much Iwata and the other executives makes in stocks. I read that execs at Apple (including and especially Steve Jobs), Google and other companies make a yearly salary of $1 then make millions on stocks.

Iwata made something like $736,000 in salary, but 2.1 million with bonuses last year.
source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6267531/nintendo-ceos-salary-ranks-low-among-game-execs


Yamauchi just lost $500mil in stocks yesterday due to Nintendo stocks dropping 21% in a single day.
source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-29/nintendo-s-yamauchi-loses-500-million-in-single-day-after-plunge-in-stock.html
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on July 29, 2011, 01:01:22 PM
Being a "market of one", as Iwata put it, isn't relevant when few wants that one.

Well put.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on July 29, 2011, 01:23:02 PM
Yamauchi just lost $500mil in stocks yesterday due to Nintendo stocks dropping 21% in a single day.
source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-29/nintendo-s-yamauchi-loses-500-million-in-single-day-after-plunge-in-stock.html

??? Huh? The article say it was just 12%(±2%) and $300M.

2011 hasn't been a good year for Nintendo stocks.......
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2011, 01:25:55 PM
Here's a Forbes article done before the Price Drop saying Why Nintendo is a Good Investment. (http://blogs.forbes.com/wallaceforbes/2011/07/26/video-game-industry-isnt-playing-around-why-nintendo-is-a-good-investment/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2011, 01:43:54 PM
Yamauchi just lost $500mil in stocks yesterday due to Nintendo stocks dropping 21% in a single day.
source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-29/nintendo-s-yamauchi-loses-500-million-in-single-day-after-plunge-in-stock.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-29/nintendo-s-yamauchi-loses-500-million-in-single-day-after-plunge-in-stock.html)

 :confused; Huh? The article say it was just 12%(±2%) and $300M.

2011 hasn't been a good year for Nintendo stocks.......

would you believe that I had a mis-type and possible temporary dyslexia?
or that they changed the story since it it says 500mil in the story title.....?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on July 29, 2011, 03:19:18 PM
No. You must live with your shame.

Or die with honor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2011, 03:24:14 PM
No. You must live with your shame.

Or die with honor.
Which means a 50% reduction of your Forum Pay and NO bonus.  Give back your Lindy Mask.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on July 29, 2011, 04:10:33 PM
The discrepancy is because it was down 21% earlier in the day, but rose back up to -12%.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2011, 04:16:48 PM
Well there you have it.

I read the story many hours before i posted it, so it's been sitting in an open tab since earlier in the day. I didn't see the edit until it was mentioned, and at that point I had already closed the tab. (almost thought I was going crazy for a second)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on July 30, 2011, 02:03:11 PM
How will the 3DS price effect the Wii U? Honestly, I see Nintendo's investors asking them to change the name "Wii U" to something different due to the similarity to the name "Wii." They would do this out of fear that the consumer might get confused and hurt sales.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 30, 2011, 03:12:21 PM
I don't think that will happen at all, that investors would ask or that consumers would get confused.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on July 30, 2011, 09:28:46 PM
How will the 3DS price effect the Wii U?

That is a good question, and I think right out the gate this 3DS pricing fiasco is going to greatly influence the U's pricing when it launches. Nintendo pulled a Sony. PS2 was so great and critcally acclaimed they release a $600 system, it blew up in their faces.  Nintendo could not believe they gained market share up the wazoo with both the DS and Wii and thought, "$250, everyone will buy it." I'm glad it had a slow start now it may mean a $300 Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 31, 2011, 12:22:33 AM
Yeah, Nintendo blundered by pricing the 3DS so high. But at least its not as big of a blunder as the PS3, because unlike the PS3 the 3DS price can be lowered without it selling for a huge loss, and remember the PS3 was the last system to launch so it right away was faced with stiff competition. The 3DS is the first handheld of its generation, so it didn't have to compete with anything when it launched.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on July 31, 2011, 02:12:27 AM
But will this mean the Nintendo will strip features from the Wii U to keep it as profitable as possible if they are forced to sell it cheaper than first planned?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on July 31, 2011, 03:23:53 AM
Is Nintendo even going to take the risk of allowing multiplayer Umote on the Wii U?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 31, 2011, 05:19:25 AM
Well, they have said they are looking into the possibility. You have to remember that it will tax the system though, the Wii U itself has to process and handle all the video and stuff that appears on the Wii U controllers (the controllers don't do any of it). That means a second controller would take away processing power and memory that a publisher can use in a game if they support a second controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on July 31, 2011, 02:53:50 PM
Well, they have said they are looking into the possibility. You have to remember that it will tax the system though, the Wii U itself has to process and handle all the video and stuff that appears on the Wii U controllers (the controllers don't do any of it). That means a second controller would take away processing power and memory that a publisher can use in a game if they support a second controller.

This is why I want a wireless classic controller pro because certain games I do not want to use that screen exclusively for game play.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on July 31, 2011, 04:19:11 PM
One idea that I had for what the Umote could bring to an RPG series like Final Fantasy is return it to an over world map and towns. One complaint that many fans of the series have been bithcing up a storm over is that Final Fantasy 13 had no overworld map or traditional towns with shops for buying accessories and needed items. So, what if the Wii U had a Final Fantasy game with the production values of Final Fantasy 13 and when the player had to traverse from point A to point B in the game's world the game transfers over to the Umote where you see a pre-Final Fantasy 10 sprite of your character traveling across the screen. Once you reach your destination then the game goes back to the television screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 31, 2011, 06:03:18 PM
If the Wii U is truly more powerful than the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, I wouldn't be shocked if they put Final Fantasy XV on the Wii U since Square Enix usually put the series on the most powerful hardware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on July 31, 2011, 07:24:12 PM
If the Wii U is truly more powerful than the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, I wouldn't be shocked if they put Final Fantasy XV on the Wii U since Square Enix usually put the series on the most powerful hardware.

It would most likely be cross platform with the Wii U version having things that are not included with the 360 or PS3 versions.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on July 31, 2011, 07:42:25 PM
But will this mean the Nintendo will strip features from the Wii U to keep it as profitable as possible if they are forced to sell it cheaper than first planned?

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/08/01/3ds_pricedrop_gamecube/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/08/01/3ds_pricedrop_gamecube/)

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Another reason Iwata mentioned for the decision to drop the price is the state of Nintendo's finances.  The success of the Wii and the DS have left Nintendo's war chest in a good condition, allowing it to take on business risks, such as the 3DS price drop and Wii U development, simultaneously.

So I'm going to say Wii U development isn't going to be effected by the 3DS price drop.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on August 01, 2011, 02:35:34 AM
Street Fighter X Tekken for 3DS?

Quote
"It’s possible. For the 3DS, I wanted to do an [Super Street Fighter IV:] Arcade Edition version, but I haven’t had a chance to do that because of all the other things I’m up to. At the company, we’re debating should we go for an AE port on 3DS? Should we skip that and go straight to Street Fighter x Tekken? There are a lot of things up in the air, so I can’t say for sure what our next 3DS project will be."
http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=16002 (http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=16002)

Who wants that stupid arcade edition!? No one!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 01, 2011, 02:47:06 AM
They also said they were looking at a Wii version of Street Fighter IV before it came out, so I won't believe anything unless they announce it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on August 01, 2011, 03:59:54 PM
They also said they were looking at a Wii version of Street Fighter IV before it came out, so I won't believe anything unless they announce it.

I doubt Capcom was lying about that. They just looked into it in the same sense that I've looked into joining a gym.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 01, 2011, 07:20:41 PM
There was no reason Street Fighter IV couldn't have come to the Wii. The only thing that had to be cut out was HD, but who needs that? Its a fighting game and a 2D one at that, so there's absolutely nothing that would have taxed the Wii hardware. The only thing is the controls might have sucked, but that's what the Classic Controller is for.

Hell, Capcom could have brought Resident Evil 5 to the Wii if they wanted to. Activision was able to bring COD Black Ops to the Wii, so there's really no excuse.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on August 03, 2011, 04:37:52 PM
There was no reason Street Fighter IV couldn't have come to the Wii. The only thing that had to be cut out was HD, but who needs that? Its a fighting game and a 2D one at that, so there's absolutely nothing that would have taxed the Wii hardware. The only thing is the controls might have sucked, but that's what the Classic Controller is for.

Hell, Capcom could have brought Resident Evil 5 to the Wii if they wanted to. Activision was able to bring COD Black Ops to the Wii, so there's really no excuse.

Actually, I understand that the game is actually fully 3D, and that originally even the hitboxes were 3D (outcry made them change that!). But you're pointing out that there probably isn't a technical reason why it couldn't be done. I'm pointing out that they certainly considered it at some point, but for whatever reason concluded that it wasn't worth the effort to bother.

And Black Ops doesn't have as awesome a title screen as RE5, so porting the former was technically feasible.
Title: 4 New Nintendo Selects this Month!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 08, 2011, 07:44:59 PM
4 More Nintendo Select Titles on the Way!?
Super Paper Mario, Mario Strikers Charged, Punch-Out!! and Super Mario Galaxy!?
http://kotaku.com/5828788/rumor-four-more-wii-games-have-been-selected-for-nintendo-selects-budget-line (http://kotaku.com/5828788/rumor-four-more-wii-games-have-been-selected-for-nintendo-selects-budget-line)
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Wii owners, you may soon have four new games to play at budget-friendlier prices. According to retail sources, Nintendo will update its "Nintendo Selects" budget line with Super Paper Mario, Mario Strikers Charged, Punch-Out!! and Super Mario Galaxy in August.


Do you still get full credit for Select Titles?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2011, 08:15:16 PM
Yes, I buy two of those because I don't own them and the Third is good but I never think I beat it again. I own 1 of them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on August 10, 2011, 08:49:45 PM
Wow, I don't own any of those games. Only borrowed Galaxy 1. These could make good gifts for the holidays.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on August 11, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
I want compensation for buying Mario Galaxy too early.
Title: ZOE:3DS
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 16, 2011, 01:58:14 AM
Zone of Enders 3DS!?
Kojima Tweets.... and shares pics
http://twitter.com/#!/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/103269075823755264 (http://twitter.com/#!/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/103269075823755264)
(http://i.imgur.com/sMcF7.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/jP2Q4.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/9zT4q.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on August 22, 2011, 01:27:32 AM
Nintendo will reveal a new Firm Emblem title for 3DS soon, the game is called Fire Emblem: Blue Sacred Sword and Red Demon Lance. The game will take place 100 years after Sealed Sword, the story centers around Princess of Kingdom Bern and Prince of Kingdom Lycia, each will have different story in their perspective. The game will also have new Casual Mode for beginners and Lunatic Mode for advanced players.

Woot, love the FE series.  Hopefully this one's true because that would be another reason to buy an 3DS for me.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 22, 2011, 01:31:29 AM
Source of the rumor?

If true, glad it would have a mood for people who aren't hardcore SRPG fans.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 22, 2011, 02:53:35 AM
Source of the rumor?

If true, glad it would have a mood for people who aren't hardcore SRPG fans.

http://the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2011, 09:13:34 AM
[...]Square Enix usually put the series on the most powerful hardware.

Several titles were PS2 exclusive, in spite of it being the weakest of the three main players during its time...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on August 22, 2011, 11:05:47 AM
Man what ever happened to that Pokemon game for Wii? I know it's being worked on. I expected it and Zelda to hold me til Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2011, 11:11:13 AM
Man what ever happened to that Pokemon game for Wii? I know it's being worked on. I expected it and Zelda to hold me til Wii U.


You mean Pikachu's Pokepark? :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on August 22, 2011, 05:06:46 PM
[...]Square Enix usually put the series on the most powerful hardware.

Several titles were PS2 exclusive, in spite of it being the weakest of the three main players during its time...

Guarantee void if your system sells like crap in Japan or doesn't use a standard media format.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on August 22, 2011, 07:07:24 PM
[...]Square Enix usually put the series on the most powerful hardware.

Several titles were PS2 exclusive, in spite of it being the weakest of the three main players during its time...
Plus the NES, SNES, and PlayStation were not the most powerful pieces of hardware for their respective generations. That statement is true only of Final Fantasy XIII. In other cases, the system was chosen because it was the most popular, and also because the PlayStation could do the CG scenes they wanted. Though when they started developing FFXIII they probably expected the PS3 to sell better than it did.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on August 22, 2011, 07:29:31 PM
So the site that first revealed Project Cafe aka WiiU has come back with a doozy. Get your salt licks ready, folks.

http://www.01net.com/editorial/537862/nintendo-l-and-039-envers-du-decor-confidences-d-and-039-un-employe-de-big-n/

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We are lucky to count among our –mostly anonymous - sources several foreign correspondants, some of them at key positions in the global gaming industry. We owe them, among other things, our early coverage of the Playstation Vita and Wii U hardware. One of them, who happens to be one of the very few Nintendo employees to dare break the code of silence, recently gave us a sobering account of the state of affairs inside the Big N structure.    More than any other sector, beit the music, motion picture, luxury or automotive industry, gaming is synonymous with emotional attachment to brands, devices and companies. And among all studios, publishers and makers, Nintendo enjoys by far the most sincere and dedicated following. Its logo, its many characters and IPs, its leading figures, like Shigeru Miyamoto, are the object of passionate scrutiny all around the world.
   01net. writers are true Nintendo fans. One of us, William Audureau, recently published one of the most careful studies ever about the company’s most celebrated character (in French only so far). Our source has lived for, and eventually thanks to Nintendo, for most of his/her life. What s/he told us sounds like a wake-up call, inspired by the many troubles threatening the institution to which s/he has dedicated his/her life. For the same reasons, we decided to publish this information, as a five-part series running all week.
Part 1/5
3DS: the early bird who couldn’t catch the worm
We have known for a long time that the 3DS had been launched early to undercut the mobile industry, and the upcoming next-gen Playstation Portable. But this rushed release, probably partially responsible for its technical limitations and a disappointing battery life (when compared to past performance), will eventually have much graver and far-ranging consequences.

 
Ooops… I think we forgot something
It’s a mistake beyond belief, but Nintendo honchos finally had to admit, after the 3DS went through the mass production and release stage, that they had made a terrible omission: a right analog stick was a requirement to provide a superior gaming experience. According to our source, right as you read those lines, Nintendo engineers are spending many sleepless nights working on an additional device, which should be sold separately for about 10 dollars. Its shape and fixation mechanism are still unknown, but it needs a tight grip on the right part of the console. Will it have to be removed everytime you want to close the 3DS?

 
Feeling the pressure
Very recently, Nintendo asked a select group of developers to create titles specifically designed for two analog controls… even if that will entail an additional cost of 10 dollars per console to be played on currently available hardware. Although such noises rarely if ever reach the higher strata of the company, most Nintendo employees working with third-party developers are indeed feeling the heat, as disgruntled studios and publishers become more vocal in their disappointment.

 
Developers stand in line
Third-party support is key to the 3DS’s potentiel success. Only they can enrich the software line-up,
suffering so far from a relatively low volume of fresh titles, which makes Nintendo’s ongoing policy towards developers all the less coherent. The submission and approval process is described as very costly, time-consuming and often arbitrary in nature. Worse even, dev kits are still extremely scarce. Although no longer produced by Intelligent Systems – Nintendo’s hardware R&D arm – but outsourced to Tokyo Electric and Marubeni, dev kits are still produced at a ridiculously slow pace (300 units per month), and sold for a hefty price. As a consequence, even six months after the release, the waiting lists are getting more crowded, and many studios are still waiting for a chance to develop on the 3DS. This erratic situation is described by our source as a good example of serious management mishaps inside the Big N, that act as an impediment to developer relations and hardware adoption by consumers.

 
What you can’t see…
According to our source, Nintendo is well aware that it has so far failed to convince the public that its 3D display technology was harmless. Many parents are refraining from buying the console for fear of adverse effects to their children’s eyesight. This innovative “glasses-free” 3D display technology, the console’s main selling point, could well prove a major stumbling block. The advertising issue, despite a vast deployment of demo units at the point of sale level, remains: how do you sell something you can’t show? In the wake of the early price-slashing and “3DS ambassadors” (20 free VC games) program announcements, Iwata’s welcoming of 2D (totally free of 3D content) games on the platform smells like capitulation.
This information corroborates several elements we obtained very recently from various sources. According to them, Nintendo is currently preparing a new 3DS for a 2012 release. This new version would radically tone down the whole “3D“ angle, with a new design and even probably a different name. In that perspective, the radical price-slashing, touted as a measure to boost sales, would also be a way to liquidate current stocks to make way for the sucessor…

 
There’s a war raging on out there…
 Some of the problems alluded to by our source could find a happy resolution, but let’s not forget the unrelentless assaults from the mobile industry, with its breathtaking race to the heights of computing power. Phone makers, like LG with its Optimus 3D smartphone, are even coming up with their own “glasses-free” 3D displays. If John Carmack’s predictions – of smartphones outgunning current last-gen home consoles in “a very short time” – ever came true, the 3DS’s future could seem bleak at best… but let’s not forget there’s always the next brand new Pokémon around the corner!

 
Copyright 01net – 2011
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Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2011, 07:33:21 PM
All that sounds retarded. It doesn't sound legit. Well, besides for a 3DS revision in 2012.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 22, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
If any of that is true then it would not be a smart thing to do.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 22, 2011, 08:15:59 PM
Not even Nintendo is crazy enough to think that could work.
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Post by: stevey on August 22, 2011, 08:20:26 PM
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a right analog stick was a requirement to provide a superior gaming experience

Why are people so fixated on having right analog sticks? Besides shooters (and touch>>>Rstick for aiming), I cant think of any games in the past decade that have really used in an "essential to the enjoyment" way...
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Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2011, 08:53:55 PM
If Nintendo wanted a right analog stick.  They would have a right analog stick.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 22, 2011, 09:01:51 PM
Re: Right Analog Stick

As soon as Nintendo realized that we would all want a second uMote for our Wii U's and 2 seconds after Miyamoto said "just use a 3DS" did it dawn on them that the Umote has 2 analogs and a touch screen and therefore the 3DS was not a viable 2nd controller due to that glaring omission.

Now (assuming this is true... and it does sound plausible) if Nintendo had just listened to us before launch, they would have realized a 2nd analog stick was being requested (along with 2 same size <wide>screens w/ no bezel inbetween).


Re: Dev Kits
If that is true, then Nintendo needs to GET.IT.TOGETHER.
3DS is starved for content and people are waiting in line to get a freakin' dev kit? ridiculous.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 22, 2011, 09:11:43 PM
As soon as Nintendo realized that we would all want a second uMote for our Wii U's and 2 seconds after Miyamoto said "just use a 3DS" did it dawn on them that the Umote has 2 analogs and a touch screen and therefore the 3DS was not a viable 2nd controller due to that glaring omission.
The Wii U controller also has two more shoulder buttons plus other functionality like an IR sensor (or camera, I forget which), so simply adding a second stick to the 3DS would not put it on par with the functionality of the Wii U controller. Besides, I don't think a game would use both the touch screen and two sticks because people have only so many thumbs. I also don't think Nintendo intended the 3DS to be used as a controller for very many multiplayer games, just ones that used the touchscreen; a developer could always use the Classic Controller if their game needs two sticks.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 22, 2011, 09:14:12 PM
Nintendo is being reduced to tripping over itself after mishandling the 3DS launch. This is actually kind of sad to see. I don't think the 2nd analogue stick is that big of a deal, especially if Luigi's Mansion 2 plays fine without one, but it would've been nice to have. An attachment would just be uncomfortable and adding one to a revised model would be really unlike them.
I don't think Nintendo has too many options right now, but pumping out dev kits and riding out this **** storm seems to be the best bet.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 22, 2011, 09:16:23 PM
I call BS on the rumor, the 3DS will NOT be getting a second analog stick.
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Post by: SixthAngel on August 22, 2011, 09:20:42 PM
Seems like BS.  I don't even know how second analog stick could even plug in.  Is there some kind of slot or would the bs rumor want you to use wireless?
A second analog isn't the problem, it is games not being there yet.  Nintendo should be smart enough to realize that
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 22, 2011, 09:28:36 PM
I forgot to add that if Nintendo releases a 3DS next year with a 2nd analog and some other functions that my 3DS doesn't have, I will be pretty mad, & 20 free (old) games will not squash that beef.

Some new branding would probably help though. I can't tell you how many times I've heard it called the Nintendo 3D DS.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 22, 2011, 09:32:44 PM
The thing about adding another analog stick is it would screw all the people who already invested in a 3DS... arguably even worse than the $250 price and price drop. That said one way they could do it is have like a recall thing where they get current 3DS users to send their system to Nintendo and they will ship them a dual stick 3DS in return or a voucher so they can pick one up in stores free of charge.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 22, 2011, 09:39:15 PM
According to our source, Nintendo is well aware that it has so far failed to convince the public that its 3D display technology was harmless.

This one is funny. Not only has Nintendo NOT even tried to convince the public it was harmless, they actually go out of there way with unnecessary warnings and so on that tell people that it IS harmful. This, even though some specialists have come out and said it is NOT harmful to children. Nintendo is damaging themselves by warning people their product is harmful even though it isn't.... that's the opposite of big tobacco. It doesn't make any sense.
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Post by: SixthAngel on August 22, 2011, 09:40:41 PM
Even more than screwing people over it would make compatability a nightmare.  Suddenly their entire first year advantage of userbase over vita gets thrown out the window for any game that supports dual analog. (Are there even that many outside of shooters that a Japan centric handheld probably doesn't care about?)

Also think about the feasability of developing an analog add-on.  Could it even connect to the system without destroying the battery with wireless?  These rumors are linked and if one is flat out crap the other probably is too.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 22, 2011, 09:41:09 PM

The thing about adding another analog stick is it would screw all the people who already invested in a 3DS... arguably even worse than the $250 price and price drop. That said one way they could do it is have like a recall thing where they get current 3DS users to send their system to Nintendo and they will ship them a dual stick 3DS in return or a voucher so they can pick one up in stores free of charge.

That wouldn't happen. They would have to replace more than 5 million 3DS's.

If they actually did do a redesign like that, then I would just sell my 3DS and sit this round out. Either the system would already be dead anyway since you would have such a split customer base (those who can vs those who can't) or the 2nd stick would largely be ignored. But I doubt they would do such a thing with the analog sticks anyway.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 22, 2011, 09:54:25 PM
The more people post good points, the more I think this is bogus. It seems more like someone just wants the second stick in response to the Vita, and the new model claim is probably because products usually get heavy price cuts before a new version comes out. So this rumour is based on some facts at least, but it still sounds fake.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 22, 2011, 10:37:58 PM
That wouldn't happen. They would have to replace more than 5 million 3DS's.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be expensive, but it could be done because isn't that what Microsoft did with the 360 a few years back? Plus it wouldn't be a total loss because Nintendo could recycle the components from the single analog 3DSes and reuse them with the dual analog models. So if you take that into account it probably wouldn't be that much of a loss. Not to mention the fact Nintendo makes a profit off each unit sales and a huge profit from before the price cut, so they wouldn't loss as much money as Microsoft did when they recalled 360s.
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Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2011, 10:44:37 PM
The more people post good points, the more I think it's exactly what Nintendo would do...

ftfy. :D
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Post by: Mop it up on August 22, 2011, 10:59:27 PM
You just want an excuse to buy the 3DS revision!
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Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2011, 11:15:34 PM
Like I need an excuse... :D
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Post by: nickmitch on August 22, 2011, 11:18:27 PM
The excuse is that it exists.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 23, 2011, 12:37:45 AM
Like I said, this is too crazy even for Nintendo. None of it makes any sense. If they were releasing a successor next year they never would have dropped the price of this one because it doesn't matter if it builds market share or not. With the second analog I don't see how they could do it without being ridiculously awkward, and even if they could they'd certainly charge more than $10 for it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 23, 2011, 01:30:00 AM
I see a lot of people are skeptical about that rumor of the revision, but as I recall lot of people were also skeptical that the price of the 3DS was going to drop so quickly. So...
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Post by: Oblivion on August 23, 2011, 01:38:24 AM
This is a little different than a price drop, hombre.
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Post by: Caterkiller on August 23, 2011, 01:46:11 AM
Yeah this is like Sega CD/Saturn type of BS.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 23, 2011, 01:51:49 AM
Nintendo can't be THAT stupid. Adding on a second analog stick as an accessory is impossible, considering there is no way for it to attach to the system or plug into the system on the right. Also, the add-on would be extremely ugly and would probably be awkward and unbalanced to hold. It just doesn't work.

The 3DS revision is a bit more believable, but I doubt they would do anything major to the hardware. It would only confuse the average consumer even more.

No...just no.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 23, 2011, 02:01:00 AM
I don't see how they could do it without being ridiculously awkward, and even if they could they'd certainly charge more than $10 for it.

I doubt it. Nintendo charged $20 for M+ and packaged them with games, yet that didn't really catch on like they though it would. Yeah, there was the issue with games that actually support it, but Nintendo would do absolutely everything in their power to make it work this time. That would mean packaging it with a AAA title and selling it cheap. If they want 3rd party support for analogue stick add-on, they gotta move those units.
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Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2011, 02:09:02 AM
The second analog slider included in a revision could work. It just requires developers to program 2 control methods (one for 3DS, another for 3DS+) which some already do on other hardware, namely the Wii. Some developers have multiple control options without different controller options such as Resident Evil 5. Speaking of, The Mercenaries 3D would play much better with that other slider for those wondering what games would benefit from it. Also, in-game camera.

Adding a second slider isn't completely out of the question. DSi included 2 camera, an SD card slot, more RAM, faster processors, and larger screens. Granted, few developers took advantage of all of that but there's precedence for adding functionality. Will Nintendo do it? Perhaps but I'd personally bet against it. I don't think a second slider accessory is even possible.

The biggest problem would be how pissed off current 3DS owners would be should a revision fix one of the orignal's glaring omissions, not to mention the possibility of fixing ALL of them such as battery life. Does Nintendo try to compensate them again? I had always planned on buying a revision so I wouldn't be upset at all. The free games and sudden price drop just means my brother gets a hand-me-down 3DS once I transfer the downloaded games over.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 23, 2011, 02:26:44 AM
I look at this as the same sort of thing as Motion Plus which started out as an addon module which could be purchased separately or came bundled with certain games but then later was integrated into the controller by default. I think that's how its going to be with this thing too. It will probably cost about $20 to buy it separately, and there will be certain games which will come bundled with it. Hell, it will probably come bundled with the 3DS SKU itself...

Then as soon as Nintendo makes the first revision of the 3DS it will be integrated into it by default, just like how Motion Plus was integrated into the Wiimote Plus by default. This way it will become a new standard, and at the same time those who bought the original 3DS model won't be screwed because they can just get the addon module and they'll be good to go.

So seeing how this same company (Nintendo) has already done basically the same thing with Motion Plus I'm going to chalk this rumor up as very plausible. I'm not going to say its probable, but its certainly plausible.
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Post by: leroypantweather on August 23, 2011, 02:54:55 AM
per second slide pad: HYPOTHETICALLY


Let's say Nintendo does figure out a way to implement a second analog that satisfies the early adopters and future purchasers of the system.  Is anyone really trying to argue that the 3ds is performing poorly because of lack of analog input? no really like seriously?
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Post by: SixthAngel on August 23, 2011, 03:12:01 AM
I look at this as the same sort of thing as Motion Plus which started out as an addon module which could be purchased separately or came bundled with certain games but then later was integrated into the controller by default. I think that's how its going to be with this thing too. It will probably cost about $20 to buy it separately, and there will be certain games which will come bundled with it. Hell, it will probably come bundled with the 3DS SKU itself...

Then as soon as Nintendo makes the first revision of the 3DS it will be integrated into it by default, just like how Motion Plus was integrated into the Wiimote Plus by default. This way it will become a new standard, and at the same time those who bought the original 3DS model won't be screwed because they can just get the addon module and they'll be good to go.

So seeing how this same company (Nintendo) has already done basically the same thing with Motion Plus I'm going to chalk this rumor up as very plausible. I'm not going to say its probable, but its certainly plausible.

Motion+ is a controller not the whole system.  Also  I would still like an answer of HOW an attachment could even connect.  The only answer I can thing of would be making it wireless, insanely draining the 3ds battery and requiring a battery/charger for this thing.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 23, 2011, 10:16:40 AM
I heard some people saying it could connect wirelessly to the IR port. I don't think it would take that much battery.
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Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2011, 10:26:51 AM
If the Audio port has Mic capability, like most Cellphones now, you could even do it that way. (A hack from back in the day in computing.)  The IR port would be the most reasonable since it could do higher data rates but any of those would be so awkward to get from where the stick would have to be to the input.
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Post by: noname2200 on August 24, 2011, 10:37:20 AM
Can somebody please remind me how things went when Sony introduced the Dual Analogue controller for the PS1? I can't remember if all the games released after that still supported the original digital controller, or if the new controller became mandatory. It's not a perfect analogy to the rumored second pad, but something like this has been done successfully before.
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Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2011, 10:47:58 AM
Can somebody please remind me how things went when Sony introduced the Dual Analogue controller for the PS1? I can't remember if all the games released after that still supported the original digital controller, or if the new controller became mandatory. It's not a perfect analogy to the rumored second pad, but something like this has been done successfully before.
Dual Analog didn't become Default till the PS2.
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Post by: noname2200 on August 24, 2011, 10:49:55 AM
Can somebody please remind me how things went when Sony introduced the Dual Analogue controller for the PS1? I can't remember if all the games released after that still supported the original digital controller, or if the new controller became mandatory. It's not a perfect analogy to the rumored second pad, but something like this has been done successfully before.
Dual Analog didn't become Default till the PS2.

So analogue control was just optional until then after all? That's what I remembered, but I wasn't sure. Thank you!
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Post by: ThePerm on August 24, 2011, 09:05:54 PM
The thing about adding another analog stick is it would screw all the people who already invested in a 3DS... arguably even worse than the $250 price and price drop. That said one way they could do it is have like a recall thing where they get current 3DS users to send their system to Nintendo and they will ship them a dual stick 3DS in return or a voucher so they can pick one up in stores free of charge.

it will only screw the small number of people who bought it, remember sales are lower than expected.

There is no need for a second joystick anyhow, it has a joystick and a touch screen, which is more than what ds had for metroid prime hunters which had decent first person controls. Just because Wii u has a second joystick doesnt mean that, that will add a ridiculous amount more on functionality. Dual analog is a relic of the past, before controllers had gyros and touch screens, developers may still use Dual analog if they prefer, but i dont see a problem with having dual analog just being one control option. Nintendo is knowledgeable that developers just dont want to change their control scheme, so they've pulled off a controller that does everything. The 3ds is more than capable of handling all Wii u control needs just in a different way, that is if you can connect to the internet and 3ds at the same time...
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Post by: Mop it up on August 24, 2011, 09:43:27 PM
I've never liked dual analogue, which is the main reason I hope it isn't true.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2011, 11:15:42 PM
Well, I'd love dual analog for handheld shooters or 3rd person platformers and such.
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Post by: Caterkiller on August 25, 2011, 11:30:13 AM
Another rumor from 01net.
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According to 01net Nintendo took an unpublished real-time strategy game, proposed to Nintendo by the game's creators years before Pikmin's development, and Nintendo turned it into Pikmin and fabricated the commonly-heard story about Shigeru Miyamoto thinking of the idea while gardening.
 
The site also claims that a number of ideas were pitched for "Mario 128", which would eventually become Super Mario Galaxy, but they were all rejected. Nintendo then allegedly took a prototype it bought from another company years before and turned it into Super Mario Galaxy.
 
01net's confidential informer also claims that Nintendo is worried about its future and is aware that they need new franchises and IPs in order to keep going. According to the source Nintendo actually has a "treasure trove" of ideas that it could hand to young developers, both internal and external, for them to develop into new games.

http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=16155
 
Aside from the Wii U, what have these guys been right about in the past? Were they always reliable?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 25, 2011, 11:36:10 AM
Sounds like more BS rumors to me, I don't believe them for a second.
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Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2011, 11:43:44 AM
Another rumor from 01net.
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According to 01net Nintendo took an unpublished real-time strategy game, proposed to Nintendo by the game's creators years before Pikmin's development, and Nintendo turned it into Pikmin and fabricated the commonly-heard story about Shigeru Miyamoto thinking of the idea while gardening. Um, With how many game Ideas Nintendo gets I could probably find something similar enough if I digged but, I really doubt that was the source of Pikmin.  It has Miyamoto all over it and its different enough it would need a champion to get made at Nintendo initially.
 
The site also claims that a number of ideas were pitched for "Mario 128", which would eventually become Super Mario Galaxy I be surprised to find out otherwise, but they were all rejected Considering the game wasn't made.  That was sort of assumed. Nintendo then allegedly took a prototype it bought from another company years before and turned it into Super Mario Galaxy. So what?  They bought it.  That means, if they did the contract right, they have the full rights to it and can make it whatever they want.  Nintendo doesn't develop all its own code. I know that may shock some of you and I'll make sure to give you your Dino when you go to bed but, that's how the game works.  You be a fool to think you can code everything by yourself in the most efficient manner or would want to.
 
01net's confidential informer also claims that Nintendo is worried about its future and is aware that they need new franchises and IPs in order to keep going. My 3 year Old could have told you that. According to the source Nintendo actually has a "treasure trove" of ideas that it could hand to young developers, both internal and external, for them to develop into new games. When you been doing this as long as Nintendo I'm sure a lot of ideas have gotten put on the Back Burner or didn't fit the time they were proposed.  Yet again, no surprise.

http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=16155 (http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=16155)
 
Aside from the Wii U, what have these guys been right about in the past? Were they always reliable?
This is getting to be trolling and spin doctoring.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 11:56:11 AM
Jesus. I think 01net is just trying to get site traffic or something now. Or always has been.
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Post by: stevey on August 25, 2011, 12:15:19 PM
Pikmin: Why fabricate a story
SMG: Miyamoto said they threw out every idea they had for years till one of his programmers came up with a gravity sphere prototype.
Rumor: Yes, Nintendo STOLE all of their gaming ideas and Sony is to true face of Video Game innovation.

I bet their source is a butthurt 3rd party employee who got fired for incompetence and is just trolling now...
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Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2011, 12:26:57 PM
...
Rumor: Yes, Nintendo STOLE all of their gaming ideas and Sony is to true face of Video Game innovation.
...
No, it is Microsoft you fool.  Halo Halo Halo.  Now spread your Blasphemy Somewhere else.

Seriously, I still say Troll or Competition.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 25, 2011, 02:08:32 PM
Yes, every rumor is B.S. just like those rumors a few months back about the Wii U..... oh, wait.

But seriously, yes, some rumors really are B.S. but not every single one is. I see a lot of people on here dismissing every single rumor as B.S. and not giving any of them any consideration at all. Surely not every single one is B.S. right? At least some of them will probably prove true.
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Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2011, 02:36:31 PM
This last bit of "Rumors" was mostly stuff that was No Duh.  More like this is normal or who cares at this point.
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Post by: noname2200 on August 25, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Even if the last batch of rumors was true, I'm not seeing the big deal. Anyone who's played Donkey Kong can tell you that not every idea for every Nintendo game originated at Nintendo.
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Post by: Stogi on August 25, 2011, 04:48:19 PM
I actually see that as a positive. It means Nintendo must be excellent at picking through ideas and concepts.
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Post by: Shaymin on August 25, 2011, 05:24:16 PM
Yes, every rumor is B.S. just like those rumors a few months back about the Wii U..... oh, wait.

At this point, we're approaching the "blind squirrel stumbling on a nut" stage. The only other thing they've apparently got right is an alleged RAM reduction in the Vita... that got reversed after developer pressure.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 25, 2011, 05:28:04 PM
I think a lot of people refuse to believe the rumors just because they don't want them to be true, not necessarily because they don't think its possible. They just don't want to admit that it could be possible. Like that rumor about the analog slider addon for the 3DS. Alot of people don't want that to be true either because they already bought a 3DS or because they don't like Dual Analog controls period. So they don't want it to be true, and I think that clouds their judgement and makes them refuse to accept the possibility that it could be real.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 25, 2011, 05:30:59 PM
It's one thing to add it to a controller since most people will buy more than 1 controller, and it costs about the price of a game to replace it. Adding it to a system would be a big FU to consumers and telling them they have to pony up another $170+ tax to get use of a analog stick, and I think few games would use it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 05:32:41 PM
I think a lot of people refuse to believe the rumors just because they don't want them to be true, not necessarily because they don't think its possible. They just don't want to admit that it could be possible. Like that rumor about the analog slider addon for the 3DS. Alot of people don't want that to be true either because they already bought a 3DS or because they don't like Dual Analog controls period. So they don't want it to be true, and I think that clouds their judgement and makes them refuse to accept the possibility that it could be real.


Or perhaps because they simply aren't true? Because maybe a second slider add-on isn't Nintendo's style?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 25, 2011, 05:36:33 PM
It's one thing to add it to a controller since most people will buy more than 1 controller, and it costs about the price of a game to replace it. Adding it to a system would be a big FU to consumers and telling them they have to pony up another $170+ tax to get use of a analog stick, and I think few games would use it.

But the rumor wasn't just about it being added in a revision; an add on was also part of the rumor too and that's what you and a lot of other people are omitting in your criticism of it. The addon might cost $20 or something, but it will add that slider to existing 3DS systems which means that existing systems will not be rendered useless because of it. If you bought the early model 3DS its no big deal, because you just get the addon and you have the same capability.

Plus I can't see every game using it anyway. It will mainly be for FPS games I imagine. If you don't like FPS games then there's probably no reason you ever need to get the addon anyway.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 06:14:27 PM
The 3DS is supposed to be portable. How the hell are they going to make an add-on like that remotely portable? That alone is reason enough why Nintendo wouldn't do something like that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 25, 2011, 06:22:50 PM
The 3DS is supposed to be portable. How the hell are they going to make an add-on like that remotely portable? That alone is reason enough why Nintendo wouldn't do something like that.

I remember in the days of the Gameboy and GBA there were some pretty bulky peripherals like screen magnifiers and Game Genies and Link cables and so on. This wouldn't be much different than any of that. I'm assuming its going to be something that will snap itself onto the 3DS somehow and that way its not going to be something you have to carry around separately.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 06:34:43 PM
The thing barely fits in my pocket as it is, and I don't see how they can make it stay on the system even while closed without adding a ridiculous amount of bulk. I'm not against having a second analog as much as I don't think it's possible to do it without being ridiculously awkward.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 25, 2011, 07:05:25 PM
I don't think it's possible to do it without being ridiculously awkward.

I agree it would be awkward, and that would be a strong incentive to get people to upgrade to the newer model (which is good for Nintendo because it means more system sales). But at the same time, awkward as it may be, it could work and that's the key because as long as its possible to get an addon to bring that functionality to existing 3DS owners then they won't be screwed and don't need to feel upset about it. Yes it would be awkward and unfortunately there isn't much that Nintendo can do about that, but at least it would work from a functional standpoint.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on August 25, 2011, 07:07:52 PM
More system sales wouldn't help if it's the same people who already bought one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 25, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
More system sales wouldn't help if it's the same people who already bought one.

But it adds to the LTD sales total which makes it look better to investors and 3rd party developers and basically everyone. Also, the old systems would end up being traded in or given away so that helps expand the market too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2011, 08:23:04 PM
The thing barely fits in my pocket as it is,
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My Observation since the 3DS launch is that the majority of people on this forum have Midget pockets or wear Girl Pants.  Ever wonder why Women have purses?  Its because they don't have good pockets.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 09:16:20 PM
That was more in reference to my front side pocket, which in fairness I keep a couple other small things in as well. Most of the time these days I wear pants with cargo pockets, because they're useful and as a college student I rarely have any kind of dress code. Except when I'm doing a practicum, but I probably shouldn't carry it with me in those cases because it might look bad if I StreetPassed some of my students.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Just on Tuesday my standard pocket had:
Left: Wallet
Right: 3DS, Windows Phone, iPhone, Pen, Car Keys, Keyring with about 20 Keys.  Though I am required to wear dress pants.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2011, 10:06:03 PM
Are they giant clown pants made up to look like dress pants? That's a lot of stuff.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 25, 2011, 10:07:04 PM
LOL, why both a Windows Phone and iPhone?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2011, 10:15:30 PM
LOL, why both a Windows Phone and iPhone?
I had download Monster Hunter Dynamic Hunting and wanted to play it.  I had updated my iPhone from 3.9 to 4.3 just to do that... and the app always crashes...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 10:18:57 PM
Jeez, not even I carry around that much stuff. That's why I travel with a backpack wherever I go.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on August 25, 2011, 10:31:51 PM
I wear super slim pants to show off my sveltely legs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 10:35:09 PM
Fat people shouldn't wear skinny jeans, Dasmos.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on August 25, 2011, 11:22:21 PM
I agree, wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 26, 2011, 12:17:03 AM
They make carrying cases specifically for gaming systems like the 3DS. If you can't fit in your pocket just get one of those and carry it in that. I'm sure if the analog slider addon becomes a reality then either Nintendo or 3rd parties will start designing carrying cases which are specifically designed to hold that analog slider so you would have something safe to carry it around in when not in use.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on August 26, 2011, 12:33:35 AM
I find even considering these rumor to be very insulting towards Nintendo.

I think a lot of people refuse to believe the rumors just because they don't want them to be true, not necessarily because they don't think its possible.

Not wanting it to be true isn't the reason, it because they're ridiculously bad. Oh look, there's a new rumor from 01net that states Miyamoto is really a secret Nazi-Communist-Werewolf foreigner that's trying to destroy America. But hey, that might be a good thing. He's now more motivated to make more addicting games so kids grow up as weak nerd that don't join the US army and/or Vampires ranks....

There's no room for a 2nd stick add on, no good way to power it, no good way to connect it, no way to grip it, no use for it in a VAST majority of games, the few games the could use it are much better served by gyros and touch. There is no way in hell ANY Nintendo engineer would be going "OH ****, WE FORGOT A SECOND STICK! OUR SPECS ARE NOW INFERIOR! WE NEED TOP OF THE LINE HARDWARE AT ALL COST!!!!1111one" and staying up all night trying to correct it. Nintendo has never been in a rush to upgrade their existing hardware with add on to boost their feature set. The GBA/3D were held back for years, Nintendo Playstation and N64DD were canned before release. Wiimote+ wasn't released for years after and that probably was to easy the transition pains to the WiiU. This rumor is clearly the mindset of a sony fanboy (The only accurate rumor they had was for the psVita; the wiiPad ones were repacked wiimote rumor). Why are people giving these rumors the time of day?

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I agree it would be awkward, and that would be a strong incentive to get people to upgrade to the newer model (which is good for Nintendo because it means more system sales).

It would be a strong incentive to abandon Nintendo and to drive them into bankruptcy. The last thing they want to do is take more risk and increase people's jitters of rapid system hardware updates...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2011, 09:16:08 AM
It would be awesome if Miyamoto really were a werewolf. It would give his tea table upending and random kidnapping an interesting new context.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 26, 2011, 03:34:10 PM
Werewolf Miyamoto?

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That might be too many special characters for some browsers, but there you go.



Just on Tuesday my standard pocket had:
Left: Wallet
Right: 3DS, Windows Phone, iPhone, Pen, Car Keys, Keyring with about 20 Keys.  Though I am required to wear dress pants.


Did you get your pants from MC Hammer's yard sale?  I admit even loose fit jeans have smaller pockets than dress pants, but sweet zombie Cthulhu, man.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 26, 2011, 03:51:30 PM
There should be a powerup in the Mario games that turns Mario into a werewolf who can then savagely tear his enemies apart and devour them with blood and gore splattering all over the screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 26, 2011, 04:17:41 PM
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Did you get your pants from MC Hammer's yard sale?  I admit even loose fit jeans have smaller pockets than dress pants, but sweet zombie Cthulhu, man.
lol
I'm wearing Leei Regular Fit jeans today (not the carpenter style, this are your corn bread fed non-hanging jeans) and my pocket situation is:
Left: Wallet
Right: 3DS, Windows Phone, Pen, Car Keys, Keyring with about 20 Keys, and a Comb (for what little good that does me.)

Though its a little tight in Jeans.
I actually mentioned to my wife that I wanted to make a video of everything going into my pocket.  This is nothing compared to when I'm cleaning the house.

Oh and I realized I forgot the 2 Granola bars in my right pocket on the first one.

There should be a powerup in the Mario games that turns Mario into a werewolf who can then savagely tear his enemies apart and devour them with blood and gore splattering all over the screen.
I say give it to Luigi as revenge.  Then an Epic Sonic VS Luigi VS Link Full On Wolf Battle
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on August 26, 2011, 05:23:06 PM
There should be a powerup in the Mario games that turns Mario into a werewolf who can then savagely tear his enemies apart and devour them with blood and gore splattering all over the screen.

Now let us never speak of this again. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Unleashed)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on August 27, 2011, 05:15:32 PM
Take this rumor with an entire container of salt given its source, but Destructoid's posting a rumor that Epic Mickey 2 may be in development.  At the very least, it looks like Disney might be trying to do some online market research on the game before officially green-lighting it.  The rumor goes on to state that the game would be released for all 3 major consoles (Wii, PS3, 360...yes, no word on Wii U), and would have 2 player Co-op (Mickey & Oswald).

Link (http://www.destructoid.com/looks-like-epic-mickey-2-may-be-in-development-210015.phtml)

I'd be happy if this turned out to be a real game.  I had my share of issues with Epic Mickey (most notably that it never did live up to its own concept art, and the actual "game" part of the experience was a bit of a tedious grind), but it was a good game overall.  I'd like to see a more fleshed-out sequel that takes better advantage of the concept's potential.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on August 29, 2011, 01:34:56 PM
Looking at this whole second analog stick for the 3DS thing the big question is "why would Nintendo do it?"  Does that have ANY effect whatsoever on weak 3DS sales and would it improve sales?  I don't think it would matter at all.  If anything adding the stick would split the userbase and confuse consumers.  What benefit is there in adding it?  All it really does it satisfy geeks that think that since dual analog is standard on a home console it should be standard on a handheld as well.  The whole thing reaks of fanboy wish fulfillment.  There is no good reason from a business perspective for Nintendo to even entertain the idea.  If they're really doing it, then they've lost it.  If that's there big plan to get the 3DS back on track they are totally out-of-touch, even by Nintendo standards.

The 3DS has been a flop because Nintendo charged an arm and a leg for a system that has nothing but a few tech demos and N64 ports.  It has not sold because based on the current library it's a waste of money.  It is no more complicated than that.

And every time some rumour about a hardware revision to a handheld comes up there are always dipshits going on and on about how this or that should be added.  We heard about extra buttons for the GBA and an analog stick for the DS.  It doesn't matter how many times you point out that such an idea would essentially create a new system with games incompatible with the old system.  For some reason there is a segment of gamers hung up on this sort of idea.  So if your site publishes a rumour that involves this sort of thing it's instant traffic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 29, 2011, 01:41:48 PM
The 3DS started off slow, but has not been a flop (and sales have spiked since the price drop). I agree with the rest of your post though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ejamer on August 29, 2011, 04:16:20 PM
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The 3DS has been a flop because Nintendo charged an arm and a leg for a system that has nothing but a few tech demos and N64 ports.  It has not sold because based on the current library it's a waste of money.  It is no more complicated than that.

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Good post, but I especially agree with this part.


Getting systems into the hands of gamers is all about offering software they want to play. All other problems pale in comparison, and sadly 3DS has been ill-prepared to meet that basic requirement. So far there are only a few games that have even been announced that look interesting.


In a way, I wonder why more third-party developers weren't better prepared to fill this gap. Anything decent would sell given the lack of competition... but instead of pushing titles out they seem to be actively backing away. Is it simply that DS is still viewed as a more viable market?


In some ways this reminds me of the PS3 launch. The hardware was too expensive and a lack of good games made that even more apparent. The initial hope and expectations had given way to negativity in the media. And yet, just a few years later, everyone has forgotten that rough start and now the PS3 is (arguably) the best received console at the moment.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on August 29, 2011, 06:54:13 PM
The 3DS started off slow, but has not been a flop (and sales have spiked since the price drop). I agree with the rest of your post though.

I don't mean to sound snarky, but please remind me how many 3DS units Nintendo shipped to retailers in the last fiscal quarter? I don't remember the precise number, (EDIT: Found it. It shipped 710k units worldwide between April and June) but I do recall it was pathetically low for a system that had launched only a few months ago. Didn't the DS ship several times what the 3DS did (EDIT: 1.44 million, i.e. more than double the 3DS' figure)? And I've heard no rumors about manufacturing problems with the 3DS.

There's a reason Nintendo cut a third off its price so soon, and made it what may well be the first Nintendo system sold at a loss since the Virtual Boy. And third parties are actively and publicly delaying (cancelling too?) their games because of the poor sales. Not to mention the fact that NCL's president had his salary reduced by half. ejamer's analogy to the PS3 is entirely too warranted, except that the 3DS lacks a 360 to pull its weight for it.

Things may get better, but so far "flop" is pretty accurate.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 29, 2011, 07:01:32 PM
No, it wouldn't. The system has sold over 5 million systems so far, which is hardly a flop. It may not be selling as well as people expected, but hasn't flopped so far (and sales have improved since the price cut).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on August 29, 2011, 07:03:41 PM
As you wish. I submit, though, that Nintendo's actions demonstrate that it disagrees.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 29, 2011, 07:06:11 PM
What do you consider a flop? They shipped fewer systems because they had so many unsold ones left in retail already. I know the 3DS hasn't been selling well, but I don't think I would qualify as a flop.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on August 29, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
In my mind, a "flop" is a product which has performed grossly under what its seller intended. Useful examples of this include Shenmue (Million+ sales notwithstanding) and Evan Almighty (Over $174 million at the box office).

In this case, Nintendo clearly expected the 3DS to do much, much better than it has. I'm a bit surprised that they're surprised, to be honest, but it seems clear to me that the 3DS' sales performance up to the price drop was drastic enough for them to hit the panic button. You said it yourself: there were too many unsold units still on the shelves.

This situation may change, mind you, and it's good that you're taking the long view on this one, but I do think it's fair to say that the 3DS has hitherto been a flop. Which, I should note, does not necessarily mean "doomed."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on August 29, 2011, 07:34:00 PM
I used the term "flop" because I'm kind of a snarky bastard.  But if you prefer "performed below expectations" then by all means interpret it as such.  Besides the point is that the 3DS performing below expecatations is not because of an absent second analog slider and including one is not going to turn things around.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 29, 2011, 07:43:48 PM
What benefit is there in adding it?

To enable FPS gaming. It would probably be done more for developers than for consumers per se. It would allow much easier porting of console games to the device without having to spend much time or effort retooling the games to suit the lack of input. I believe that was one of the problems the PSP faced and that is why Sony is including dual analog on the Vita. Nintendo never had an analog input on a handheld before so apparently they never had to learn what Sony learned, but you'd think they could have looked at Sony's example and learned from that so that they didn't have to make the same mistake themselves.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 29, 2011, 08:14:01 PM
No one wants an FPS on their 3DS. That's the only thing it'll ever be good for.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: blackfootsteps on August 29, 2011, 09:25:51 PM
The 3DS has been a flop because Nintendo charged an arm and a leg for a system that has nothing but a few tech demos and N64 ports.  It has not sold because based on the current library it's a waste of money.  It is no more complicated than that.

Interestingly, this same comment could be perfectly applied to the original DS launch 'period' as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on August 30, 2011, 01:18:08 PM
No one wants an FPS on their 3DS. That's the only thing it'll ever be good for.

It'd be perfect for twin-stick shooters too, a genre which matches perfectly with portables. Although it's not a huge genre anymore.  :(
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on August 30, 2011, 01:26:48 PM
Anyone who's played 3rd person games on the PSP (Valkyria Chronicles 2 comes to mind) can tell you that a second analog stick would really come in handy when playing adventure or 3rd person shooter games.  I could see a lot of benefit in 3rd person platforming games as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on August 30, 2011, 01:50:56 PM
I think the second analog would definitely benefit game design on the 3DS but I don't think it would encourage sales and would risk splitting the userbase (in which case its benefits are largely negated; few games will support it anyway) and causing consumer confusion.  The worst thing would be if they couldn't do an add-on and thus made existing 3DS system incompatible with a large selection of games.

Would it be nice?  Yes.  But it's just not a good idea from a business perspective.  Nintendo SHOULD have thought of the idea before finalizing the system but they didn't and they just have to live with that.  Nintendo also SHOULD have thought about how releasing last gen hardware for the Wii would completely destory third party support but they didn't.  Lots of talk about a Wii HD but it never came and it made sense for it not to come because it would make existing Wiis incompatible with newer games.  These core features have to be there on day one or they have to wait until the next system.

It is however quite hilarious that they're making a Luigi's Mansion sequel for the thing when that game absolutely required dual analog sticks.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2011, 06:58:06 PM
It is however quite hilarious that they're making a Luigi's Mansion sequel for the thing when that game absolutely required dual analog sticks.

I think that adds a lot of validity to the rumor. One of the first problems the developers would have run into when they began making LM2 is the lack of a second analog, and this very game may have been the one which triggered the whole idea at Nintendo.

Luigi's Mansion isn't due to come out until next year, so it could be designed with the analog stick addon in mind. As a matter of fact, this would be an excellent game for the addon to come bundled with.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 30, 2011, 07:03:56 PM
The original Luigi's Mansion had a non-dual analog control option.  They're just using that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on September 06, 2011, 11:55:26 AM
Who likes game announcement rumours? In the run-up to next week's big 3DS event, there's three titles currently circulating the ol' mill.

Link (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-06-monster-hunter-tri-g-rumoured-for-3ds)

Source claims that the following will be unveiled during the event:

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Post by: ThePerm on September 06, 2011, 03:59:50 PM
i hope the mach rider revival is real, I imagine some mad max meets zelda would be awesome. I've had it in my head fora while now.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 06, 2011, 05:22:01 PM
A new baiten Kaitos.  This is the first announcement which has me even slightly considering a 3DS.  I don't even bat an eyelid at anything else on the market thus far. 

Hopefully this rumoured redesign will be launched about the same time. 
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Post by: broodwars on September 06, 2011, 05:44:26 PM
A new Baten Kaitos on 3DS?  Great, yet another RPG franchise I love being relegated to the handhelds because Japan's obsessed with them.  I guess I won't be playing that one.
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Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on September 06, 2011, 06:35:30 PM
A new Baten Kaitos on 3DS?  Great, yet another RPG franchise I love being relegated to the handhelds because Japan's obsessed with them.  I guess I won't be playing that one.

I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't do, but that's kind of a lame reason not to play a game.
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Post by: broodwars on September 06, 2011, 06:40:21 PM
A new Baten Kaitos on 3DS?  Great, yet another RPG franchise I love being relegated to the handhelds because Japan's obsessed with them.  I guess I won't be playing that one.

I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't do, but that's kind of a lame reason not to play a game.

I don't like playing my big epic RPGs hunched over and squinting at a tiny screen with even tinnier music, especially a series like this where being able to see tiny numbers and text on the cards and acting accordingly is vital to your success.  I didn't particularly enjoy doing that when I played Birth by Sleep on my PSP a few months ago, and I really don't like doing that when I play Valkyria Chronicles 2 on my PSP now.

Besides, these days a Japanese series like that going to a handheld is a black hole.  If it goes to the 3DS, it's never going to leave it, save to go to another handheld.  So for me, a favorite RPG franchise of mine just died because Nintendo preferred Monolith work on garbage like Disaster: Day of Crisis when they could have released a very good Baten Kaitos game on the Wii along with Xenoblade.
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Post by: Stogi on September 06, 2011, 07:25:53 PM
A new Baten Kaitos on 3DS?  Great, yet another RPG franchise I love being relegated to the handhelds because Japan's obsessed with them.  I guess I won't be playing that one.

I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't do, but that's kind of a lame reason not to play a game.

I don't like playing my big epic RPGs hunched over and squinting at tiny screens with even tinnier music, especially a series like this where being able to see tiny numbers and text on the cards and acting accordingly is vital to your success.

Fixed. Also, try playing your epic RPGs while in the tub. You might find games becoming a lot more epic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on September 06, 2011, 07:37:23 PM
I personally don't like EVER playing games on a handheld.  Not only is the screen tiny but because the controller and screen are one in the same it's hard to find a comfortable position to play in.  Either I look down and hurt my neck or hold the system up and hurt my arms.  I also have no need for the portable nature of a handheld so to me it's like just another videogame system only it it's stuck in this cramped tiny format.  The Super Game Boy and Game Boy Players were life savers for me.  I've never been too hot on the DS and the reason for it is that I have to play the stupid games on a damn DS and that's such an annoying pain I've lost interest in the whole system.

Broodwars is right in that once a series moves to handhelds, it is stuck there forever.  They're not going to bring it back to consoles so if you don't like playing games on handhelds you are fucked.  Though if the Wii U can also work as a 3DS player then that problem can be addressed.

Though even with a 3DS player, you're still stuck with out-of-date technology.  If you want your games to make use of cutting edge hardware, you're **** out of luck if it's on a handheld.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on September 06, 2011, 07:42:57 PM
If we got a sort of "3DS Player" adapter/APP for the Wii U, I would totally buy a Wii U w/ the 3DS Baten Kaitos to play it on the big screen and I do not say that lightly.  Of course, Nintendo would never do that these days, since it would mean 3DS hardware NOT being sold.

If there was one, though, Nintendo would have to incorporate some serious smoothing filters and whatnot to make the 3DS games actually look good on a standard HD TV and the Wii U screen.  I bought the PSP cable a while back to play my PSP games that way, and man are the results pretty poor overall.  Some games like Birth By Sleep and Valkyria Chronicles 2 look...ok...on my TV (if desaturated and incredibly blocky), but others like Silent Hill Origins are pretty much unplayable that way.
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Post by: Stogi on September 06, 2011, 07:50:19 PM
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Broodwars is right in that once a series moves to handhelds, it is stuck there forever.

Give me example of games being doomed when going to a handheld.

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Either I look down and hurt my neck or hold the system up and hurt my arms.

LMAO. How old are you?

Both of you need to meet in real life. It sounds like you have the same kind of stick stuck in your asses. You could start a relief group!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on September 06, 2011, 07:54:39 PM
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Broodwars is right in that once a series moves to handhelds, it is stuck there forever.

Give me example of games being doomed when going to a handheld.

Valkyria Chronicles. Done.  Kingdom Hearts seems to be going through that right now as well, though there is at least some hope that we'll see a console Kingdom Hearts game again since it's Square-Enix's baby.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on September 06, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
So...one game? Congrats.
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Post by: Adrock on September 06, 2011, 07:59:59 PM
And Dragon Quest. IX was on DS and now X is on... Oh.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 06, 2011, 08:20:52 PM
Valkyria Chronicles was lucky to even get a sequel at all since it bombed. Since I don't think a third game has been announced, not sure how you can call it doomed. And being a handheld series doesn't doom a series. I would also like to point out that many series have console and handheld entries concurrently (Fire Emblem, Mario, Zelda, etc.)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on September 06, 2011, 08:35:42 PM
Valkyria Chronicles was lucky to even get a sequel at all since it bombed. Since I don't think a third game has been announced, not sure how you can call it doomed.

Valkyria Chronicles 3 for the PSP was released earlier this year in Japan, but is still awaiting an unlikely NA release.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 06, 2011, 08:38:09 PM
LOL, since I barely see any PSP news, yet along Japan-only stories, I didn't know.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on September 06, 2011, 11:31:09 PM
A new Baten Kaitos on 3DS?  Great, yet another RPG franchise I love being relegated to the handhelds because Japan's obsessed with them.  I guess I won't be playing that one.

I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't do, but that's kind of a lame reason not to play a game.

I don't like playing my big epic RPGs hunched over and squinting at tiny screens with even tinnier music, especially a series like this where being able to see tiny numbers and text on the cards and acting accordingly is vital to your success.

Fixed. Also, try playing your epic RPGs while in the tub. You might find games becoming a lot more epic.

Still with the tub? This is like Game Gear all over again..
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on September 06, 2011, 11:39:48 PM
LMAO. How old are you?

Both of you need to meet in real life. It sounds like you have the same kind of stick stuck in your asses. You could start a relief group!

You know, it's funny: I don't throw out half-baked, childish, and inane insults every time I see an opinion I don't agree with.  In fact, I post maybe a few posts a day if I post any at all.  And yet, despite quite a few of you "loyal Nintendo followers" doing just that every time I voice an opinion, somehow I'm the villain.  It's always good to see the hypocrisy of some Nintendo loyalists, where an opinion will only be tolerated if it conforms to a very select set of pro-Nintendo guidelines.  Whatever makes you feel better about your Wii and 3DS purchases, I guess.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 06, 2011, 11:40:13 PM
Does anyone think its possible that they could put a DS game slot in the Wii U?

They could include the hardware and maybe charge for an app to enable it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on September 06, 2011, 11:42:53 PM
Does anyone think its possible that they could put a DS game slot in the Wii U?

They could include the hardware and maybe charge for an app to enable it.

It's possible if there's some kind of USB slot in the thing.  Then an adapter could be made to plug into the USB slot and play the game.  The thing is, Nintendo probably wants to eventually charge for DS games on the 3DS eShop, so they wouldn't put out such an adapter.  But hey, it would be cool if they did, though considering how badly DS games translate to the 3DS screens, I'd hate to see what they'd look like on the Wii U controller and a TV.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on September 06, 2011, 11:43:06 PM
Rumors that famitsu will have information about Monster Hunter that includes the infamous extra slide pad.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/09/07/3ds_stuff_in_famitsu/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/09/07/3ds_stuff_in_famitsu/)

I hope it's not true because I have no idea what Nintendo is thinking unless this is some kind of Udraw thing that only one game comes with and uses.
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Post by: Kytim89 on September 06, 2011, 11:44:26 PM
Does anyone think its possible that they could put a DS game slot in the Wii U?

They could include the hardware and maybe charge for an app to enable it.

A DS game player that plugs into the Wii U USB port and is then controlled via a downloaded app.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 06, 2011, 11:49:32 PM
though considering how badly DS games translate to the 3DS screens, I'd hate to see what they'd look like on the Wii U controller and a TV.

I am playing Dragon Quest IX on my 3DS, and it looks the same as it does on my DSi.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on September 06, 2011, 11:51:48 PM
though considering how badly DS games translate to the 3DS screens, I'd hate to see what they'd look like on the Wii U controller and a TV.

I am playing Dragon Quest IX on my 3DS, and it looks the same as it does on my DSi.

Really?  I've heard nothing but bad impressions from folks trying to play DS games on their 3DS, especially on Radio Free Nintendo.  Yours is the first positive one I've seen.  Were you playing it in the original resolution or blown up?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 06, 2011, 11:53:34 PM
Original, I don't even know how to blow it up.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 06, 2011, 11:55:26 PM
I think it blows it up automatically.

Honestly, the DS-3DS thing isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be.  In fact, I'd bet the large majority of people don't even notice the majority of the time they're playing.
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Post by: MegaByte on September 06, 2011, 11:56:57 PM
Right, you have to hold Select while booting to make it do the original resolution.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on September 06, 2011, 11:58:08 PM
A new Baten Kaitos on 3DS?  Great, yet another RPG franchise I love being relegated to the handhelds because Japan's obsessed with them.  I guess I won't be playing that one.

I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't do, but that's kind of a lame reason not to play a game.

I don't like playing my big epic RPGs hunched over and squinting at tiny screens with even tinnier music, especially a series like this where being able to see tiny numbers and text on the cards and acting accordingly is vital to your success.

Fixed. Also, try playing your epic RPGs while in the tub. You might find games becoming a lot more epic.

Still with the tub? This is like Game Gear all over again..

Haha nope, just wanted to bring it back up for shits'n'giggles.

LMAO. How old are you?

Both of you need to meet in real life. It sounds like you have the same kind of stick stuck in your asses. You could start a relief group!

You know, it's funny: I don't throw out half-baked, childish, and inane insults every time I see an opinion I don't agree with.  In fact, I post maybe a few posts a day if I post any at all.  And yet, despite quite a few of you "loyal Nintendo followers" doing just that every time I voice an opinion, somehow I'm the villain.  It's always good to see the hypocrisy of some Nintendo loyalists, where an opinion will only be tolerated if it conforms to a very select set of pro-Nintendo guidelines.  Whatever makes you feel better about your Wii and 3DS purchases, I guess.

I don't even own a 3DS hahaha.

Listen...It's all about your guys's tone...It is exactly the same. Looking from the outside in, its like you two are the same people. That's the simple point I was trying to make, even if I did so childishly (and why not?).

If something pleases you, you two won't post about it. In fact, in the last year I think you guys combined have only posted maybe 3 positive things you like about anything related to video games that wasn't a review (btw, what does that say?), not just Nintendo. On the flip-side though, if something displeases you, which is most if not all of the time, you'll voice your opinion in a lengthy, repetitiousness form spanning several threads that are similar or even vaguely similar. Then when someone calls you out, you get pissed. Just like you did right now.

It's annoying. I'm all for arguing valid points, but nit-picking. That's just weak. Arguing something that is only vague and hasn't become a real product is even weaker. But most of all, arguing something that has no precedence is the weakest.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on September 07, 2011, 12:00:08 AM
It's official.  There is a cradle add-on for the 3ds that has an extra slide pad.

There are scans of Famitsu with pictures.  Looks clunky as hell and extends the right end of the 3ds by a couple of inches. :'(
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 07, 2011, 12:02:35 AM
Right, you have to hold Select while booting to make it do the original resolution.

Really? I thought it was the original res since there are black bars on the side of the top screen.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 07, 2011, 12:08:32 AM
I play only DS games on my 3DS (I'm awesome lol), and I haven't noticed any issues. Even games with small text, like Dragon Quest V, look perfectly clear. The only thing I've noticed is that the bottom screen doesn't seem quite as crisp as the top screen, but I think that's just the nature of the touchscreen.

As for a hypothetical 3/DS player for the Wii U, I'd love it. I don't mind the way that Game Boy games look on a GBPlayer, so I don't think I'd care about the low resolution. I just don't like handhelds, they're uncomfortable to me in every way, but there have just become too many games on them that I have no choice but to tolerate the handheld.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on September 07, 2011, 12:17:35 AM
If something pleases you, you two won't post about it.

I can't speak for Ian on this, but that's definitely not true for me.  Next time, do your research.  There are plenty of posts by me on this site praising various things, especially games; movies; and TV series.  That's all I think I need to say on that matter.

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In fact, in the last year I think you guys combined have only posted maybe 3 positive things you like about anything related to video games that wasn't a review (btw, what does that say?)

I like to write mini-reviews once I've completed a game, movie, TV series, etc. critiquing what they do or don't do well.  It's a hobby of mine, and I don't particularly care if you like it or not.  When I'm not playing or writing about games I played, I don't tend to post much.  That's "what it says".

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On the flip-side though, if something displeases you, which is most if not all of the time, you'll voice your opinion in a lengthy, repetitiousness form spanning several threads that are similar or even vaguely similar.

This one goes much more for Ian than it does for me, and I'll leave that to him to defend.  Sure, if I don't like something I'll post about it, but stating it a couple of times more than suffices for most things, so I don't see the point in badgering it.  As for the length, true criticism requires words, a concept that may be foreign to you in a world where 150 characters is considered "wordy".  I tend to ramble a little bit if I get particularly riled-up or want to discuss something in-depth, but I'd rather have too much information than too little.

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Then when someone calls you out, you get pissed. Just like you did right now.

Sorry, but to piss me off you'd have to write something that does more than mildly amuse me, and frankly I don't think you possess that capability.

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Arguing something that is only vague and hasn't become a real product is even weaker. But most of all, arguing something that has no precedence is the weakest.

No, there was certainly precedence: Japan has become increasingly obsessed with their handhelds, and at least two notable Japanese console role-playing games have migrated to handhelds, where they seemingly will remain for the foreseeable future (Valkyria Chronicles and Kingdom Hearts).  As for arguing over things that may or may not exist, welcome to the Internet and welcome to the rumors thread.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 07, 2011, 12:20:28 AM
I wouldn't call Valkyria Chronicles notable.
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Post by: broodwars on September 07, 2011, 12:21:48 AM
I wouldn't call Valkyria Chronicles notable.

It is when you consider how weak the RPG genre has been this generation.  It's certainly one of the highest-rated RPGs this generation, it's innovative, it's gorgeous, and it's a blast to play despite a few issues with game balancing.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 07, 2011, 12:26:53 AM
Yeah, but it tanked in sales (I think even in Japan).
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Post by: broodwars on September 07, 2011, 12:30:05 AM
Yeah, but it tanked in sales (I think even in Japan).

*shrugs*

It did alright in Japan, enough to spawn its own anime; 2 sequels; and for Sega to bring over the first two games in the series.  I suspect the first game didn't do well over here due to Sega deciding to release it in the Fall to get buried in the usual holiday games barrage, and the 2nd game was on the PSP (which relatively few people play outside of Japan).  I think the series has unfortunately been a victim of being released in NA by Sega (who can't seem to get anything right these past few years except selling Sonic games), which shouldn't be a strike against what's a very good game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 07, 2011, 01:18:49 AM
It's official.  There is a cradle add-on for the 3ds that has an extra slide pad.

There are scans of Famitsu with pictures.  Looks clunky as hell and extends the right end of the 3ds by a couple of inches. :'(

(http://i.imgur.com/ho3FG.jpg)

That might actually make it comfortable to hold now. I might look into just for the added grip.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 07, 2011, 01:20:47 AM
The 3DS is already fine to me, this makes it look like it would be bulky and less comfortable.

Assuming the pic is not fake (there have been fake Famitsu screens before), I hope it's just designed for this game.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 07, 2011, 01:28:08 AM
Here's a crazy thought... what if this doubles... as a secondary battery...
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Post by: MegaByte on September 07, 2011, 01:31:14 AM
Well hopefully it does, because it's going to need a battery anyway for communication with the 3DS.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 07, 2011, 01:31:53 AM
It's possible, but in those pics, I don't see anywhere where it connects to the 3DS. It doesn't connect to the battery compartment, and it doesn't cover the AC port. Instead, it covers the IR, stylus, and game card slot. That's a part of the reason why it seems fake to me, although it could be a device designed by CapCom just for Monster Hunter. That also may be why I don't see a 3DS logo on it (though it's kind of blurry and hard to see the print).
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Post by: UncleBob on September 07, 2011, 01:32:50 AM
That's what I was thinking... it needs to be powered somehow...

Such a thing would solve two of the big 3DS complaints (2nd slide pad and battery life) without completely screwing over the early adopters.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 07, 2011, 01:34:57 AM
My biggest complaint is that it's a handheld. *rimshot*

If Nintendo wanted to solve those complaints, they would have put that stuff in the original 3DS. Although maybe they thought it would sell better and they could introduce a redesign with that stuff a few years later, but are now moving that up due to slow sales.
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Post by: MegaByte on September 07, 2011, 01:39:56 AM
Maybe it doesn't matter that the Wi-Fi switch is blocked because they're using wireless for communication.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 07, 2011, 01:43:42 AM
The 3DSds would be pretty sweet though.

3DSdualstick that its.

As long as I can transfer my ambassador games (if I still care about them at that point in time) to the new system, then I will be a happy camper.

a 3DSdsXL would be better though.
4.3" 3D screen
4" touch screen
d ouble the battery size and triple the battery life
inward & outward facing 3D cameras
dual sliders
moved power buttons
better home/select/start buttons
slightly bigger buttons
thicker longer stylus
More RAM, more FlashMem
$199.99 price point

whoah.... think I was getting a little carried away there.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 07, 2011, 03:03:48 AM
This is defamation of character...
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 07, 2011, 03:50:10 AM
That is the most hideous abomination I have ever seen.  I will most certainly wait for a proper revision now if that thing is going to become standard.  I don't care what games come out for it in the mean time.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 07, 2011, 06:44:32 AM
I was right about the slide pad! No one on here believed it and thought it wasn't going to happen, but what do you all have to say now? That's twice I was right because I also predicted the price cut and no one believed me then either.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 07, 2011, 07:11:32 AM
It's times like this I wish accessories could be regionlocked.
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 07, 2011, 11:03:59 AM
That is the most hideous abomination I have ever seen.  I will most certainly wait for a proper revision now if that thing is going to become standard.  I don't care what games come out for it in the mean time.

This 100%. That has to be the ugliest thing ever, it just looks silly, a tacked on piece of junk. I will NOT buy that thing, I will just wait for the 3DSlite, and hopefully it actually looks like a brand new hand held. I even liked the look of the purple gamecube...
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Post by: UncleBob on September 07, 2011, 11:06:47 AM
I <3 Nintendo fans.

We know virtually nothing about this.  We don't know who made it, we don't know if it'll be used beyond one game, we don't know hardly anything about it, we barely know what it looks like, aside from a single scan that may or may not even be a prototype version... hell, we don't even know if this'll get released in the US... yet we're all ready to boycott Nintendo over it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 07, 2011, 11:09:20 AM
yet we're all ready to boycott Nintendo over it.

I would only boycott Nintendo if they DON'T release it here.

I don't understand everyone's hatred over it. It makes the 3DS an even better and more capable system by adding new features which can make certain types of games possible. What reason is there to hate or fear it?
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Post by: Adrock on September 07, 2011, 11:21:48 AM
I understand why people don't like it. The add-on looks like ass and makes 3DS far less portable. The second slide pad should have been part of the original design making the peripheral nothing more than a duct tape job to a shortcoming everyone saw coming a mile away. This same problem was the number 1 thing people hated about PSP. Nintendo should have known better or they did and figured they would do it anyway to save a few cents per unit.

But...

That's all water under the bridge now and the peripheral is what we have. No one is forced to buy it nor should anyone feel obligated to especially since the game it's supposedly packaged with is an enhanced port of a game anyone could have bought a year and a half ago. It's certainly ugly and I will most likely not buy one but I'm okay with it existing. I bought a 3DS knowing that this was a possibility and 100 times out of 100, I would have taken the savings and free games.
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 07, 2011, 12:17:17 PM
It's not like this is a new game going in a completely new direction than it's former titles. When things like that happen I am always the first to give it a chance. This looks absolutely terrible design wise, and just turns the 3DS into a hulking device. I'm not worried about comfort or functionality if it's made by Nintendo, but it completely takes away the sleek factor of the 3DS and makes it look like it's from the early 90's. 

The only good thing that comes from it is that I know the redesigned 3DS will have it built in.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 07, 2011, 04:12:44 PM
I'm curious to see how much they are charging for this glorified piece of electrical tape.  It should be free.  It isn't like this is something Nintendo couldn't have seen.  Nintendo stuffed up.  If this thing becomes the standard, then Nintendo should be coughing up to pay for their mistake.
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Post by: ejamer on September 07, 2011, 06:03:35 PM
Interesting to hear that some people don't see any difference when playing DS games on their 3DS. It doesn't look bad, but there clearly is some stretching taking place to make the image fit on the nicer 3DS screens. Try playing a game in the original resolution (hold select when starting) and you might be surprised to see what a big difference it makes.


Doesn't mean that DS games can't be played - there is no problem in that regard - but they might look or feel a bit odd. Personally I'd rather play DS games on my old DS Lite because they simply look better (at least a little bit) with the system they were designed for.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 07, 2011, 06:16:08 PM
We know virtually nothing about this.  We don't know who made it, we don't know if it'll be used beyond one game, we don't know hardly anything about it, we barely know what it looks like, aside from a single scan that may or may not even be a prototype version... hell, we don't even know if this'll get released in the US... yet we're all ready to boycott Nintendo over it.
Some people, like meself, are passionate, and just like to react to things how they happen, whether it be positive or negative. I don't find anything wrong with that. Now that I've had some time to reflect on it, I don't particularly care about this attachment... for the time being. My impression from what's in the magazine is that this accessory is actually made by CapCom, and will be used only with Monster Hunter Tri G, and maybe some other CapCom games. That's what I'm going to go with unless more facts surface, and as long as there are no games that require the accessory (beyond MHTG, in which I have no interest), then I'll be fine with its existence.

However, if it is indeed Nintendo's invention, I'd still criticize their poor decisions with the 3DS even if it doesn't directly affect me, but I'll handle that if it comes to it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 07, 2011, 06:19:38 PM
Hey, isn't 10% of the space on 3DS carts reserved for patches and DLC and such? It should be possible to add in dual slider support even for games which have already been released via a simple update. Right?
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Post by: MegaByte on September 07, 2011, 06:24:17 PM
That space is for patch installers to the system (i.e. system updates, same as Wii discs), not for patches to the card itself.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 07, 2011, 06:56:52 PM
You know, the more I look at it, the more it looks fake. Look at the size and angle at the second pad. Doesn't it look off? At first I was raging like almost everyone else but I'll try to stay positive. Plus, this could be just a Capcom add-on for Monster Hunter Tri G.
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Post by: MegaByte on September 07, 2011, 07:00:15 PM
Uh, it's off because it's a poor photo/scan of a curved page (there have since been better scans). The peripheral is very real.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 07, 2011, 07:28:09 PM
****.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 07, 2011, 07:42:34 PM
But Nintendo did not give any details. For all we know, this could be a peripheral just for the Monster Hunter game.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 07, 2011, 11:05:01 PM
The fact that this is real shows that Nintendo is desperate. Can't wait for the snide comments from Sony execs.
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Post by: bustin98 on September 08, 2011, 12:24:25 AM
What sucks about it is that Monster Hunter will be the only game to take advantage of the second slider, and before you know it, a new 'DS' will be coming out and it will sport two sliders. Attachments suck because 3rd parties can't be convinced to take advantage of them.
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Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on September 08, 2011, 12:50:09 AM
Regardless of its eventual use, the peripheral is a bit of an eyesore. It just adds further credence that Nintendo will bend over backwards to serve Monster Hunter on its platform - looking at the original Tri, they revised the Classic Controller with the Pro and did a new hardware colour pretty much solely to suit that game (no disrespect to the CC Pro, it's an excellent control pad). It's unfortunate that the Circle Pad attachment was announced in response to a leak with no details given. That's not really a good way to introduce that concept into people's minds, because even if this will be a Monster Hunter-specific thing released only in Japan, giving people a week to speculate and draw the worst conclusions they can think of is exactly the sort of buzz they need to avoid.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 08, 2011, 01:14:01 AM
It's unfortunate that the Circle Pad attachment was announced in response to a leak with no details given. That's not really a good way to introduce that concept into people's minds...

The same thing happened with the 3DS itself. At least with this we have a picture.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2011, 04:14:24 AM
This is no different than M+, plain and simple. What I don't get is all this hatred towards this but as I recall when M+ was revealed no one complained and the reaction was more or less positive if I recall correctly. So what's the difference? M+ made the Wiimote more bulky and I guess required ate up more battery power, so its kinda the same thing. Yet people weren't cursing Nintendo over it.

I agree with MegaByte that what we've seen is probably just a prototype and the finalized version will probably be more refined. If this also boosts battery power then hopefully that will appease a lot of the complainers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on September 08, 2011, 05:01:56 AM
Again, we know very little about this add-on, so I'm not going to argue one way or the other. I'll wait until the 13th.

Getting back to those oh so fun unannounced game rumours, we've got another batch, this time leaked by a Japanese game blog.

Link (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-07-new-yoshi-ace-attorney-for-3ds-report)

According to said blog, we'll be seeing the following titles next week:
3DS eShop announcements are also apparently to come, including a Super Mario 3D Land demo and the Legend of Zelda: Fours Swords situation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2011, 05:31:05 AM
All that sounds retarded. It doesn't sound legit. Well, besides for a 3DS revision in 2012.

Does it sound legit now? ;)


Anyways, I just wanted to go back to the original text of the rumor from weeks ago before the whole thing was confirmed. Now that we know the rumor of its existence is true it might be worthwhile to examine the rest of the rumor as well because odds are if the gist of it is correct then maybe the details are correct also.

This is what the rumor said which I'm finding interesting:

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Ooops… I think we forgot something
It’s a mistake beyond belief, but Nintendo honchos finally had to admit, after the 3DS went through the mass production and release stage, that they had made a terrible omission: a right analog stick was a requirement to provide a superior gaming experience. According to our source, right as you read those lines, Nintendo engineers are spending many sleepless nights working on an additional device, which should be sold separately for about 10 dollars. Its shape and fixation mechanism are still unknown, but it needs a tight grip on the right part of the console. Will it have to be removed everytime you want to close the 3DS?

 
Feeling the pressure
Very recently, Nintendo asked a select group of developers to create titles specifically designed for two analog controls… even if that will entail an additional cost of 10 dollars per console to be played on currently available hardware. Although such noises rarely if ever reach the higher strata of the company, most Nintendo employees working with third-party developers are indeed feeling the heat, as disgruntled studios and publishers become more vocal in their disappointment.

If the whole rumor is to be believed (and there's no reason it shouldn't at this point since the existence of the add on itself has been confirmed), then this means this add on comes from Nintendo themselves and it is not a mere 3rd party add on from Capcom that will only work with one game. If you look closely at the parts I've bolded the rumor appears to be very adamant that Nintendo is the one behind it and that they are putting pressure on 3rd parties to develop games that make use of it.

So Monster Hunter 3G is probably only going to be the first of many such titles. Since that game is a port of the Wii game which is already complete it makes sense it could be thrown together quickly and that's probably why it was chosen to be the standard bearer of the new add on. Other games which have to be made entirely from scratch are going to be slower in coming, but this will be out much quicker so that's my guess why it was chosen as the first game the device comes bundled with.

Face it guys, the more you look at this and the more you think about it the more it makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 08, 2011, 08:04:45 AM
The 3DS Slide Pad attachment is nothing like Motion Plus. It's not even close. First, Motion Plus made the Wii remote longer. The slide pad accessory turns the 3DS into a hulking Megazord. Second, 3DS no longer comfortably fits into pockets, making it not portable anymore. The same problem is not encountered on the Wii with or without Motion Plus since it's a home console and people don't normally carry controllers around. Third and perhaps more importantly, the slide pad peripheral isn't just adding functionality, it's patching a severe design oversight. I believe Nintendo claimed Motion Plus was too costly to implement into the original Wii remote. Fair enough. I think most of us bought that reasoning. With 3DS, Nintendo is charging people $10 for what would have cost them less than a dollar per unit and without the hassle had it been implemented in the first place. Everyone would have been happier.

I'm not opposed to the peripheral. I agree that it addresses a major shortcoming. However, I won't sit here and act like it's not a big deal when the implications couldn't be worse for consumers. It sets a bad precedent.

Nintendo made some of their best games without a second analog stick and they did so by coming up with ways around it. PSP developers did the same and games like God of War: Chains of Olympus were still fun. Nintendo didn't need to create the slide pad accessory. Some games will benefit but there's no denying that this makes Nintendo look bad. The missing slide pad was one of the first things everyone noticed and Nintendo had months to fix it. This makes their research and development department look like bumbling fools, especially since their solution looks like the way it does.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2011, 09:12:50 AM
When I went back in time in this thread to dig up that old rumor I read a post BnM made back then which I think is spot on. He said something about how Miyamoto proposed the 3DS could fill in as a 2nd controller for the WiiU, but the problem is the WiiU tablet controller has two analog sticks whereas the 3DS only has one. So BnM suggested that this is part of the reason why Nintendo was so desperate to add an extra stick to the 3DS. I think he hit the nail right on the head.

So its not just about what the 2nd analog means for handheld gaming that is at stake here. The whole idea of the 3DS being usable as a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th controller for the WiiU also depends firmly on the 3DS having the same number of buttons and inputs. That's why I'm firmly convinced this isn't just going to be used for one 3rd party game and that's it. This is going to be the new standard just like M+ and it will be integrated in a future revision. I would seriously bet money on that.

I know it sucks if you were an early adopter of the 3DS, but let's face it we all knew the 3DS was going to have multiple revisions just like the DS and GBA and GB did. There has been a long firmly established precedent for this so no one should be shocked by it. At least this $10 addon means the original 3DS model isn't reduced to a paperweight. It might be bulky and ugly looking, but at least it can get the job done. Fitting it in your pocket might be difficult or impossible, but that's what carrying cases are made for. I'm sure Nintendo and other companies will come out with official 3DS carrying cases where the system and the addon fit snugly inside like a glove and it will be kept much more safe than it ever would have been in your pocket anyway.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 08, 2011, 10:10:33 AM
Those carrying cases are for squares. No self-respecting person is going outside with a handheld game system carrying case or fanny pack. It's like you want people to be ridiculed and beaten up for looking like a douchebag.

3DS shouldn't have to be an additional controller for Wii U because multiple tablet controllers is what Nintendo should be aiming for and they shouldn't release Wii U until they get that part right. Besides, using 3DS as the controller makes no sense except in Dr. Suess's Wacky Wednesday. Instead of asking people to buy an additional controller which Iwata claimed was too expensive, they want consumers to buy an entirely separate system that probably currently costs more than twice as much as a tablet controller will cost. Right, that makes sense.

There's no benefit to using 3DS in this way over another tablet controller. The screens are smaller. It costs more. It's way more confusing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on September 08, 2011, 10:14:08 AM
Those carrying cases are for squares. No self-respecting person is going outside with a handheld game system carrying case or fanny pack. It's like you want people to be ridiculed and beaten up for looking like a douchebag.

...I use a carrying case... :(

There's no benefit to using 3DS in this way over another tablet controller.

1.) I already have a 3DS, so there's no "additional" cost for me.
2.) Access to the entire DS/3DS library of games (including downloadable titles).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 08, 2011, 10:27:49 AM
If people wanted a 3DS, they'd get a 3DS. Asking people to buy a 3DS just to play local multiplayer on A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONSOLE is fucking ridiculous. Asking that up to 3 be brought to a single console is beyond pushing the boundaries of acceptable. It's not just crossing the line. It's clubbing a baby seal, burning down a village, raping its women, and forcing its children into slave labor. Then clubbing another baby seal. On top of that, Nintendo tried this before and it failed but at least GBA was sub-$100.

Sorry about the fanny pack comment. Nothing personal.  I still think they're lame though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2011, 10:36:36 AM
If the WiiU ends up being the same huge smashing success that the Wii was then requiring a 3DS as an additional controller would be extremely helpful for Nintendo because then they could use the WiiU's popularity as leverage to get people to buy the 3DS as well, whereas otherwise some people might not have bothered with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on September 08, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
If people wanted a 3DS, they'd get a 3DS.

Some people already have a 3DS.  Some people want one, but are waiting for the right time/reasons to buy it.

Is it such a horrible, horrible idea that Nintendo reward these people with extras?

Look at games on the 360 that provide for extra modes online.  No one would accuse Microsoft of asking people to buy multiple 360s in order to access these modes.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 08, 2011, 10:46:12 AM
@Chozo - Of course. However, that's a big "if" and doesn't change it from being a ridiculous requirement for local multipayer. Nintendo sells bundles that include 2 controllers. The day we start being required to buy a separate console to play another console for the majorty of multiplayer games is the day I stop playing video games. /insert the Professor Farnsworth "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" pic

@Uncle Bob - Making it an option is fine. Making it a requirement and the only way to play multiplayer games locally (with screen equipped controllers) is wrong. It's asking too much.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2011, 11:06:43 AM
The 3DS has been dropped to $169.99, and will probably get even lower at some point. Meanwhile it has been rumored the WiiU tablet thing costs $100 per unit, so if that's true then for only $70 more you could just get a 3DS instead and have something which is capable of much more.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on September 08, 2011, 11:09:33 AM
@Uncle Bob - Making it an option is fine. Making it a requirement and the only way to play multiplayer games locally (with screen equipped controllers) is wrong. It's asking too much.

In your opinion, of course.

Personally, even if I didn't already have a 3DS, I could see someone preferring to pay the extra to get a system that can do so much more beyond what the WiiU controller can do vs. buying a piece of equipment that's good for one thing and one thing only.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 08, 2011, 12:22:06 PM
The people who see the value in that probably want a 3DS anyway. Others just want the controller and the larger screen. I don't think it's fair to put that expectation on consumers. If a tablet controller is supposedly too expensive, where does Nintendo get off asking people to buy something that costs more and offers a worse experience for Wii U games (smaller screen, fewer buttons/functions specifically the extra shoulder buttons and magnetometer)? Just because something is capable of more, doesn't mean people are willing to pay for it. Making it an option is fair even if it's clumsier. Not only would people need a 3DS but the peripheral too. Personally, I'd rather use the tablet controller and I have a 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2011, 12:28:54 PM
Not only would people need a 3DS but the peripheral too.

The peripheral is only $10 and it will be bundled for free with many games, so getting it isn't going to be a major obstacle for anyone. Plus by the time the WiiU comes out there will probably be a 3DS revision which incorporates it into the system anyway.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 08, 2011, 12:43:24 PM
So? Four Swords Advantures was bundled with a link cable. That didn't save GCN-GBA connectivity. It made things a bit easier but extra hardware is still extra. It's one more thing in the way of actually playing the game. And a redesign will likely cost more than the current model and that's only attractive if you want a 3DS. Based on the pieces the tablet controller is using, Nintendo could conceivably sell it for less than $80, maybe as low as $60.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2011, 01:09:28 PM
So? Four Swords Advantures was bundled with a link cable. That didn't save GCN-GBA connectivity.

A $2 cable wasn't the reason why GCN-GBA connectivity failed to take off. One of the main reasons it failed was because the GCN was basically a flop, even though the GBA did okay. Plus few games supported the connectivity anyway. Assuming both the WiiU and 3DS sell well and assuming the software support is in place then there's no reason it can't succeed this time around.

And a redesign will likely cost more than the current model and that's only attractive if you want a 3DS.

I doubt it would cost Nintendo more than $1-$2 at most in manufacturing costs to integrate the dual slider. It would cut into the amount of profit they make on each 3DS sold, but there would be no reason to increase the MSRP over the current $169.99 and if anything manufacturing costs should have dropped by that point in time anyway which should more than offset whatever the extra slider costs to integrate.

However, that's just assuming the next 3DS revision is just the slider and nothing else. If they also increase the size of the screen and put in a better quality battery then all bets are off because that could raise the price in a significant way. But the slider alone? That's just some plastic and a small amount of metal.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 08, 2011, 01:15:50 PM
I have to wonder how viable the 3DS would be as a Wii U controller anyway.

According to the patents, the Wii U stream is broadcast using a WirelessN signal and 3DS doesn't support WirelessN to my knowledge. Also the Wii U stream has zer0 lag. Just surfing the internet on the 3DS is much slower than even on my phone. I don't see how it would work just like the uMote with out a revision that included extra hardware, such as the stream receiving hardware or maybe it's a wireless N antenna.


But the real reason I was posting was because I jut updated Rumor Consolidation 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676207#msg676207)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 08, 2011, 01:39:52 PM
I believe the link cable was $20 individually. GCN may have sold poorly but Nintendo had trouble selling a Zelda game to a lot of Zelda fans because it required so much. What you're suggesting is here is paying over $500 to play a 4-player game. How is this not ridiculous to you? How do you think Wii U is going to fair against the competition if Nintendo asks people to pay that much money? And, more importantly, that much more money than Sony and Microsoft because they sure as hell are not requiring that much from consumers. And their consoles are far more widespread.

And DSi launched at $169.99. DSLite was, what $129.99 at that point? Maybe they'll launch a redesign at the same price as 3DS currently is now, but that's still $169.99 vs. a much cheaper tablet controller. If Nintendo wants to have a chance against 360 and PS3 with the same games, they can't be peddling completely separate hardware at the same time. They're going to have a hard enough time selling Wii U without trying to sell 3DS along with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2011, 01:53:29 PM
I believe the link cable was $20 individually.

Was it really? That's a lot more than it needed to be. In any case though, the 3DS and WiiU will communicate wirelessly so the cost and hassle of dealing with a cable is eliminated. Maybe that will help this idea succeed this time around.

What you're suggesting is here is paying over $500 to play a 4-player game. How is this not ridiculous to you?

It only sounds ridiculous if one person is spending $500 to buy all the equipment. I would expect each person to account for their own 3DS/Tablet and then bring it along whenever there is a get together. One person buying everything means that person is either dumb or has a lot of money to blow.

How do you think Wii U is going to fair against the competition if Nintendo asks people to pay that much money? And, more importantly, that much more money than Sony and Microsoft because they sure as hell are not requiring that much from consumers.

Sony has already announced plans to link the Vita up with the PS3 in a similar manner.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 08, 2011, 02:47:00 PM
1. The point is that you would need a 3DS AND slide pad peripheral. Like the link cable, the slide pad is another part Nintendo is asking people to buy. Sure, it's $10 less than the link cable but Nintendo is still asking people to buy it. The more you ask of consumer, the less likely it is to succeed. Of course, a redesign with the 2nd slide pad doesn't require the add-on but they're still putting hurdles in front of enjoying the game. Nintendo has been trumpeting simplicity and ease of use and this isn't. It's needlessly complicated and more expensive.

2. I wasn't suggesting that 1 person supply everything. Bringing $500 worth of additional hardware just to play locally is a lot to ask when the alternative is potentially paying less than $200 with more features and a larger screen.

3. The Dual Shock 3 doesn't cease to be just because Sony is planning on linking PS3 and Vita. And I've posted my thoughts on this before and it's no different with using 3DS as a controller for Wii U. It costs too much. I'm curious how many people Sony thinks will actually take advantage of this. It's not the same thing as the Wii U and tablet controller which is cheaper and built for this exact purpose. However, Sony is offering it as an option, not a requirement. They aren't asking anyone to support this. If (and that's a big if) Nintendo makes 3DS a requirement, I have a hard time believing that can be successful. I think it's great as an option and should definitely be one for people who want to do that. It just can't be their multiplayer solution.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 08, 2011, 03:09:42 PM
I don't know what Nintendo's plans are, but I don't think the 3DS will be a requirement for local multiplayer. I just think it should be an option.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on September 08, 2011, 11:58:19 PM
[...]Nintendo had trouble selling a Zelda game to a lot of Zelda fans because it required so much.

Citation needed, please.
Four Swords Adventure required nothing more that hasn't been required out of virtually every other console game before it.  The game, the system and a controller.  What are these outrageous requirements that FSA had?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 09, 2011, 12:08:36 AM
Game Boy Advances and GameCube-Game Boy Advance cables for every player you wanted to add.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 09, 2011, 12:21:53 AM
4 GBAs and 4 link cables. That's a lot more than most multiplayer games asked. Four Swords Adventures sold considerably less than its console predecessor, The Wind Waker.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on September 09, 2011, 12:26:27 AM
4 GBAs and 4 link cables. That's a lot more than most multiplayer games asked. Four Swords Adventures sold considerably less than its console predecessor, The Wind Waker.

Wait, now...  you said "Zelda" fans.  Not multi-player fans.

Any Zelda fan could enjoy single player FSA in the exact same fashion they enjoyed single-player every-single-console-Zelda-game-before.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 09, 2011, 12:46:26 AM
I never said the game couldn't be enjoyed by Zelda fans. I said Nintendo had trouble selling the game to Zelda fans. Considering how poorly Four Swords Adventures sold (for a Zelda game), I'd say it didn't reach a great deal of the series' devoted fan base. I contribute that in large part to the game's ridiculous requirement to play as intended: with 4 players each with his/her own GBA and link cable.

I've played the game single player. Ehh... It was much more fun the second time around with my brother once I got official link cables in a bargain bin at Gamecrazy and a second GBA for $20. I can only imagine it'd be more fun with 4 players. A girl ca dream....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on September 09, 2011, 01:16:12 AM
I think there's a plethora of reasons as to why FSA didn't sell all that crazy - to Zelda fans or anyone else.

The fact that it was marketed primarily as a multi-player adventure didn't help.  There are probably still people out there who don't know you can play it solo.
Heck, all things considered, I'd say the million-ish that bought the game *were* the Zelda fans.  I didn't hear about too many casual players reviewing the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 09, 2011, 08:37:06 AM
The problem with FSA was that it was multiplayer, and Zelda and Multiplayer is entirely unheard of except for that one game. As Yamauchi said, people who play RPGs are boring losers who hide in the basement. Zelda is kinda like an RPG so its not really a MP friendly sort of game. It was just a bad combination, but in no way does it debunk the whole connectivity idea.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on September 09, 2011, 10:08:49 AM
I'm in the minority of people who like to play FSA single player.

Though to be honest the game really is the equivalent to Link Crossbow Training.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 09, 2011, 10:30:57 AM
See, I never knew you could play FSA single player. I never actually played the game and I thought based on what little I knew about it that the GCN-GBA connectivity was a requirement to play it rather than an option. Maybe it only would have taken a little bit of research for me to figure out that wasn't the case, but I didn't.

So maybe that's why it didn't sell very well. Maybe most people made the same assumption I did and just dismissed it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on September 09, 2011, 10:55:20 AM
I could see that.  When playing single Player you put your links into formations.  Which is frankly easier then trying to direct someone.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on September 09, 2011, 01:32:03 PM
There are probably still people out there who don't know you can play it solo.
See, I never knew you could play FSA single player.

Tee-hee. :D

The game has two modes (three in the original Japanese version).  The primary mode, Adventure mode, can be played with 1-4 people.  One person can play using either a GameCube controller or a GBA/Cable.  2-4 people require each having a GBA/Cable.

The second mode is a "battle mode" that requires 2-4 players, each with a GBA/Cable.

Anyway, the adventure mode is a pretty awesome game.  It doesn't quite have the spirit of exploration that a regular Zelda game has (it's structured in levels), but it still has all kinds of items, puzzles, enemies, etc.  It's a fun game, even single player.  As mentioned by Ceric, depending on who you're playing with, single player can even be more fun. :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on September 09, 2011, 01:56:27 PM
I got the Japanese version so that we could play Navi Trackers. I still don't understand why they removed that in the US version.
Language only came up as a problem in the forest where they ask you about certain items.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on September 09, 2011, 02:04:19 PM
I got the Japanese version so that we could play Navi Trackers. I still don't understand why they removed that in the US version.
Language only came up as a problem in the forest where they ask you about certain items.

I got both versions so I could play Navi Trackers. :D

It's an interesting game that I was able to figure out with the help of a guide...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 09, 2011, 06:31:13 PM
I knew that Zelda Four Swords had a single-player mode, but I thought it still required the link cable. Not that I would have bought the game if I knew that, since I likely wouldn't have ever had the chance for multiplayer, though if I ever see it cheap I'd get it just to have it. I'm still hoping to find the mythical link cable at a GameStop, as well...

As for using the 3DS as a controller, I think it would be neat as optional functionality, but it shouldn't be a requirement for any multiplayer games. I don't think it will be, since it was said that Wiimotes and Nunchuks can be used for multiplayer, but I still hope to see multiple screen controllers supported.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 09, 2011, 06:36:30 PM
I'm still hoping to find the mythical link cable at a GameStop, as well...

http://www.amazon.com/Link-Cable-Game-Boy-Advance-Gamecube/dp/B0000E5U6M/ref=pd_bxgy_vg_text_b
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 09, 2011, 06:49:15 PM
Not bad, but they'd be only 99 cents at GameStop!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 09, 2011, 08:09:50 PM
Not bad, but they'd be only 99 cents at GameStop!

A $7 bird in the hand is worth two 99cent birds in the bush.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 09, 2011, 08:18:18 PM
Ew, I wouldn't put a bird in my hand.

I could get six of them at GameStop for Amazon's price, so I'll risk never finding one. It isn't something I particularly care about enough to seek it out and pay any price, 99 cents about represents how much use I'd get out of it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 09, 2011, 08:38:16 PM
Ew, I wouldn't put a bird in my hand.

I could get six of them at GameStop for Amazon's price, so I'll risk never finding one. It isn't something I particularly care about enough to seek it out and pay any price, 99 cents about represents how much use I'd get out of it.

I bet you could probably get it on ebay for 99cents probably.... but that wouldn't include shipping.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 09, 2011, 10:25:31 PM
The removal of Navi Trackers from the North American release is why I didn't buy the game until I found it used for $15, and why I'm glad it underperformed and is the worst selling Zelda of all time.  Nintendo doesn't deserve to be rewarded for screwing over all North American Zelda fans like that.  Removing entire features from games because a company is too f*cking lazy to translate is inexcusable, especially when North America is where the overwhelming majority of the Zelda fanbase is.

Of course getting my anger out of the way, the actual Adventure mode in the game is f*cking amazing and probably my favorite 2D Zelda game, and yes I played it in just single player which show everyone that the game is great alone as well.  Even though the game is linear, the level design is top notch, with the most creative dungeons in 2D Zelda's.  Plus the combat was great with tons of enemies filling the screen and great boss fights.

So yeah, Four Swords Adventures basically represents Nintendo at their worst and best.  It shows how Nintendo has no problem screwing over all non-Japanese fans just to make a quick buck, but the main adventure mode shows how great Nintendo's game designers can be at making an incredible game.
Title: New Pokemon Soon?
Post by: Caterkiller on September 10, 2011, 11:35:04 AM
Quote

Pokémon Game Announcement Incoming?

TV Tokyo (http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/program/detail/21362_201109180730.html) has posted the summary for the episode of Pokémon Smash, a variety show that covers all aspects of the franchise, due to air next week on Sunday 18th of September. In this summary, it mentions that Pokémon Game Creator, Junichi Masuda is set to appear on the show with a massive shock announcement. While it is possible that the announcement could be unrelated to a new game, his announcements in the past similar to this have ended up being new games. This follows on from Pokémon Company CEO Tsunekazu Ishihara hinting that there are more surprises coming this year. It's possible that the reveal of this game will be in CoroCoro, which is due any day now and/or in Nintendo's special 3DS conference in Japan on Tuesday morning.


http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml (http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml)



I sure hope what ever it is, be it Grey for 3DS or some Stadium game for Wii, I hope in includes the 5th gen Dream World Pokemon!

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2011, 12:30:44 PM
If it's not Grey, then Nintendo is retarded.


You want to boost 3DS sales this year, you announce Pokemon


Between MKart7, SM3D, MH3G & Pokemon:Grey, Vita wouldn't stand a chance this holiday season.
And we dont' even know all the rest of games coming out for 3DS this holiday season yet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 10, 2011, 02:49:19 PM
Sequel to Pokédex 3D.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2011, 03:50:42 PM
or maybe Pokemon the AR Trading Card Game 3D.

Killer App material right there.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 10, 2011, 07:45:26 PM
Pokemon Black/White Pinball. Believe.

(Next mainline Pokemon launches along with the 3DSXL).
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Post by: Ceric on September 10, 2011, 08:54:29 PM
AR/Normal Pokemon Snap.  I know one Whoee podcast would love that.  I would too.

I personally love Grey and a WiiU Pokemon Stadium (based off the original.)
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Post by: Shaymin on September 10, 2011, 10:02:12 PM
On second thought... Mystery Dungeon 3.

Believe.

(That Josh Max will get stuck with the review.)
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Post by: that Baby guy on September 11, 2011, 01:05:13 AM
Muliple titles all at once. With no new Pokemon titles slated for after Scramble (at least that I'm aware of), there's no reason to hold back with a slate of new, creative ideas that are almost certainly in the pipeline.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 11, 2011, 09:47:48 AM
Guys, it seems that the "shock announcement", was a Mewtwo giveaway. Check out that same Serebii article. It's had a few updates since yesterday.


Though I could be wrong...the article isn't exactly clear.
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Post by: sintrom on September 11, 2011, 11:07:47 AM
The thing with Zelda is your to close to the source with an RPG.  The closest thing Mario had to an RPG to date when Super Mario RPG happened was Mario 2.  Zelda on the other hand sort of falls in that category by lack of category.  Also, I'm going to post this in the SSBB thread as well, Miasm(sp?) level would rock.
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 11, 2011, 12:25:18 PM
I don't know, I feel like the head of Pokemon coming out to make just a Mewtwo announcement is just a small part of it. Keeping my hopes up!
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Post by: Mop it up on September 11, 2011, 02:47:59 PM
Maybe it's that unnamed Wii Pokémon game they mentioned a while back.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 11, 2011, 03:12:15 PM
Guys, it seems that the "shock announcement", was a Mewtwo giveaway. Check out that same Serebii article. It's had a few updates since yesterday.


Though I could be wrong...the article isn't exactly clear.

Masuda's appearance is next Sunday (the 18th JAPAN TIME), not today.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 11, 2011, 03:21:14 PM
I know. Did you not read the article? Serebii reported that today's episode said there was going to be a Mewtwo announcement with details in next weeks episode. My original post still stands.
Title: Wii U uses 28nm chips & 1T-SRAM!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2011, 04:23:59 AM
Wii U uses 28nm chips & 1T-SRAM!?
According to a B3D poster it does
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1582489&postcount=7715 (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1582489&postcount=7715)
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I know a person who is an investor of MoSys and other technological companies, we talked about Wii U a few days ago and I became surprised with a comment from him about the new console:

"Wii U uses 28nm manufacturing process from NEC and 1T-SRAM from MoSys"

I asked him how he could know it and he told me that this information have been shared to the investors of MoSys because Nintendo partnership is the more important one for them and any signal of losing the deal can be very dangerous for the health of MoSys business. Since he isn´t a technical person I didn´t ask him about technical specs, but the 28nm comment was very interesting.

That would explain the size of the console, and if that is how MoSys feels about Nintendo, then I bet N got a really good deal on the RAM.... and hopefully it was a lot of it.
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Post by: Ceric on September 17, 2011, 08:10:45 AM
With the time frame of the WiiU can't say I'm too surprised to hear a 28nm process.  I could definitely see the console size being dictated more by disc drive size, ports, and artistic design.  I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the mainboard eventually being brought down to a single chip one day.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 17, 2011, 12:15:31 PM
All that was just mumbo jumbo to me. What is the significance of that?
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 17, 2011, 01:58:19 PM
All that was just mumbo jumbo to me. What is the significance of that?

Seriously! Tell it in a way only us blue collard slobs would understand!
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Post by: Caliban on September 17, 2011, 02:32:41 PM
At 28nm they can make smaller components that use less power, less heat is released, and will perform just the same as if they were of 35nm. They become cheaper too, I would suppose.

That's why the Wii U will look a lot smaller than it should be, won't need an awesome cooling system, and doesn't knock out the entire neighborhood grid.

I was kidding about knocking out the neighborhood grid.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 17, 2011, 03:50:17 PM
Looks like the Wii U is shaping up to be an awesome kickass system. Too bad it has such a shitty name attached to it...
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 17, 2011, 05:29:44 PM
It sounds odd, but the logo looks like the future!
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Post by: Kytim89 on September 17, 2011, 08:18:28 PM
Looks like the Wii U is shaping up to be an awesome kickass system. Too bad it has such a shitty name attached to it...

It is not too late to change it to "Super Wii."
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Post by: nickmitch on September 18, 2011, 12:59:35 AM
Anything that doesn't make the controller sound like a Wii add-on would be welcome, but I don't think we're gonna get a name change anytime soon if at all.
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Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2011, 01:12:42 AM
There's a dozen reasons to change the name. I doubt they will.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 18, 2011, 01:14:29 AM
I think the only way they'll change it is if they see people having real trouble differentiating the 3DS from the DS. If that becomes a significant issue they may change their mind.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2011, 01:17:09 AM
I think the Wii name as a brand is more harmful than good. Nintendo should try to distance themselves from that as much as possible. Casuals won't care, and they may even love it, but Hardcore gamers don't have a good opinion of the Wii and may be less likely to take the Wii U seriously or consider buying it. If Nintendo wants to win over the hardcore crowd they should distance the Wii U from the Wii as much as possible to give people the impression its something different.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 18, 2011, 01:21:00 AM
I think the only way they'll change it is if they see people having real trouble differentiating the 3DS from the DS. If that becomes a significant issue they may change their mind.
People already have trouble doing that. And when the Wii U debuted, the media at large thought it was an add-on. They attributed it to not showing the actual system enough during E3, but that was a single tree to the forest of problems. If Nintendo doesn't change the name by the next time they showcase the system, it's gonna be 100% stuck.

I think the Wii name as a brand is more harmful than good. Nintendo should try to distance themselves from that as much as possible. Casuals won't care, and they may even love it, but Hardcore gamers don't have a good opinion of the Wii and may be less likely to take the Wii U seriously or consider buying it. If Nintendo wants to win over the hardcore crowd they should distance the Wii U from the Wii as much as possible to give people the impression its something different.
Yeah, but I think the blue ocean Nintendo catered to before saw the Wii as a fad. If you ask most people it's the tennis/bowling machine that has the Michael Jackson game (even if that one's on other systems). If they see "Wii U" they'll think it's more of the same.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 18, 2011, 01:26:51 AM

I think the Wii name as a brand is more harmful than good. Nintendo should try to distance themselves from that as much as possible. Casuals won't care, and they may even love it, but Hardcore gamers don't have a good opinion of the Wii and may be less likely to take the Wii U seriously or consider buying it. If Nintendo wants to win over the hardcore crowd they should distance the Wii U from the Wii as much as possible to give people the impression its something different.

To me it's the other way around. The hardcore will be informed enough to know the difference and will make their decisions based on what games are there, regardless of the name. More casual players may not understand the difference between the Wii and Wii U.
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Post by: Kytim89 on September 18, 2011, 01:28:18 AM
Super Wii.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 18, 2011, 01:30:35 AM
That still has the word "Wii" in it.
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Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2011, 01:43:04 AM
They should rename it "iNintendo" then watch the internet explode.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 18, 2011, 01:44:22 AM
iNntendo....

It's like some kind of Chinese bootleg... :D
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Post by: nickmitch on September 18, 2011, 01:47:07 AM
Nintendoitinmybutt inmybutt.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 18, 2011, 01:53:48 AM
The thing about the Wii name is that it isn't like the hardcore gamers don't know Nintendo makes it. Right now hardcore gamers don't have a good opinion of Nintendo in general, so simply changing the name of the system isn't going to matter.  What will matter is the only thing that should matter: games. If the Wii U has games the hardcore want to play, they'll buy one. Even if they do so online, so they can avoid telling a store clerk that they want a Wii U, not a siren.
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Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2011, 01:55:17 AM
I was joking about iNintendo but now that I think of it, iNintendo still sounds leagues better than Wii U. I liked "Nintendo Stream" though "Nintendo 6" is just boring and neutral enough to get people stop caring about the name so, yeah, they should pick that one.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 18, 2011, 02:18:36 AM
If ever there were a name Nintendo should bring back, it's the Nintendo Entertainment System. They had a good thing going by omitting the word "videogame," and since the Wii U will undoubtedly do more than play games, it makes even more sense now.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2011, 02:34:10 AM
iNES would be cool.

Or how about iNXS? Just like the band by that name, except it would stand for something Nintendoey like "Incredible Nintendo Xtreme System"
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 18, 2011, 02:37:15 AM
NiNTENDO
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Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on September 19, 2011, 04:33:03 PM
To briefly move away from this console naming talk, here's a rumour about the fate of Level 5's most anticipated 3DS game in the West.

http://www.gamesradar.com/tgs-2011-professor-layton-vs-ace-attorney-confirmed-release-outside-japan/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/tgs-2011-professor-layton-vs-ace-attorney-confirmed-release-outside-japan/)

GamesRadar claim to have received a press release in English for Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney that led them to believe that it may come out in Western markets after all. For one, it was the first time they had ever seen it called by this title, as opposed to its Japanese title of Layton-kyoju VS Gyakuten Saiban. Plus, it referred to characters in the game by their Japanese names and apparently included a parenthesis saying 'English Names TBD'.
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Post by: Ceric on September 19, 2011, 04:40:20 PM
*shrug* Even if its coming to the states we have 1 more Layton game before we'll even be to it.
Title: Super Smash Bros Universe?
Post by: Caterkiller on September 21, 2011, 12:00:34 AM
I like it! I like it a lot!


http://i.imgur.com/Neycf.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Neycf.jpg)



http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros (http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros)

Possible leak? I'm just going to say yes this is real. Even if it's not the game is still going to start production soon, so who cares? It's fun to get excited!


The name sounds like something Nintendo would do. It's how they will brand all their big Wii U multiplayer games. They will justify the U with Universe at the end of every title just wait and see.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 21, 2011, 12:08:16 AM
Super Mario Galaxy will become Super Mario Universe.
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Post by: Stogi on September 21, 2011, 12:49:11 AM
That's actually a great name for it. I was honestly getting tired of them using a synonym for fight.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 21, 2011, 01:15:12 AM
But I was looking forward to Super Smash Bros. Squabble or SSB Skirmish


But I was really hoping for a Super Mario Universe, so if they are gonna pull the whole Super/64/Wii naming scheme again, Universe is a good way to go.
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Post by: Stogi on September 21, 2011, 01:20:08 AM
LOL SSB Squabble sounds much better

Trying to squable?

SSB War

SSB Fisticuffs

SSB Ruckus

SSB Moderated debate

SSB Willful discussion
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 21, 2011, 01:24:30 AM
I thought

Super Smash Bros. Dissension
 
sounded pretty bad ass to be honest.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 21, 2011, 01:29:54 AM
Super Smash Bros.: Smash.

Worst name ever. :D
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Post by: King of Twitch on September 21, 2011, 01:32:08 AM
Since 'Universe' uses the Wii U logo, I think it could be the name of the u-nified online service.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 21, 2011, 01:36:46 AM
Super Smash Bros. Beatdown

Super Smash Bros. Ass Whuppin'

Super Smash Bros. Skirmish

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Post by: nickmitch on September 21, 2011, 01:40:03 AM
Super Smash Bros. _________ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUkGIsKvn0#t=0m25s)
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Post by: Adrock on September 21, 2011, 08:58:21 AM
Super Smash Bros. Smackdown: Know Your Role
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Post by: Snake-Arms on September 21, 2011, 11:03:08 AM
Super Smash Bros: Gang-Rape

Wait a second...:/
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Post by: Ceric on September 21, 2011, 11:17:56 AM
Super Smash Bros. _________ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUkGIsKvn0#t=0m25s)
Super Smash Bros. Only Game to Be Released on First Build In Honor of Referenced Song Here.
Title: Update on Smash, Sakurai responds.
Post by: Caterkiller on September 21, 2011, 12:21:08 PM
http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=16325 (http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=16325)

Quote


The document mentions third-party support, exclusion of the tripping mechanic and changing Samus Aran's move set and overall 'feel'.


When asked about the rumours Nintendo refused to comment, as per usual. Despite this though, Masahiro Sakurai told fans on Twitter that work on the Wii U version of Smash Bros. has not begun, seemingly making these rumours fake.

Sakurai wrote "I'm currently concentrating on one title, Kid Icarus. Until this wraps up, Smash Bros. will not progress. Of course, characters have not been decided at all."



I'm surprised he didn't outright state this document is fake. I'm still thinking this thing is a valid document for preproduction or something. I would love it if characters got a complete redo and tripping was gone. I still expect those things anyway.
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Post by: Snake-Arms on September 21, 2011, 01:58:54 PM
All I really want out of the next SSB is speedy gameplay and smooth online. 

I can dream.
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Post by: Adrock on September 21, 2011, 02:16:01 PM
It's fake. The English logo in the leaked pic uses Brawl's logo (where the bottom of "Smash Bros." is curved). I suppose they could reuse the logo but they made a point of changing the logo with every game.

Also, I doubt development has even started and I believe Sakurai even stated so. The game is at least 2 years away. I can't excited for a game that only exists on paper.
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Post by: Mop it up on September 22, 2011, 06:59:22 PM
Since there is going to be a version of the game on the Wii U and 3DS, I wouldn't be surprised if the game just tacked on Wii U (or maybe just U) and 3D to the two titles. At least in Japan, I think that's what it will be. Not sure what the US title could be, but they could get away with using previous Japanese titles and call it something like Nintendo All-Star Great Melee Smash Brothers.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 22, 2011, 10:05:47 PM
All I really want out of the next SSB is speedy gameplay and smooth online. 

I can dream.

If it gets smooth online, I will never set foot outside or feed myself again, and that would be bad.  :(

Well, bad-ish.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 22, 2011, 10:17:34 PM
As long as you remember to shower and can afford to eat you'll be alright.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 22, 2011, 10:18:11 PM
All I really want out of the next SSB is speedy gameplay and smooth online. 

I can dream.

If it gets smooth online, I will never set foot outside or feed myself again, and that would be bad.  :(

Well, bad-ish.

Maybe that's where the Vitality Sensor comes into play. Maybe the Wii U will require you to have the Vitality thing hooked up to your body at all times and when it starts to show your health declining it will shut itself down and refuse to boot up again until you go out and get some exercise.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on September 22, 2011, 10:33:13 PM
Brawl started it's development at the end of 2005, and basically finished at the very end of 2007, which is why it first came out in January 2008 in Japan.  If development of the next Smash Bros doesn't start until Spring 2012, and this one will be in HD with a much bigger graphical jump, the Wii U version isn't going to be ready until at last Fall 2014, more then likely delayed until Spring 2015.

Now the 3DS version I could see getting released earlier since it'll probably just port Brawls exact engine over to the 3DS.  This right there would give them 39 characters already made that would be very easy to rework and edit, as well as a lot of other assets that are already done versus the Wii U version which will have to make a lot of it from scratch in order to be up to date with the Wii U's graphics.

So yeah, I'm expecting the 3DS version in late 2013 and the Wii U version in early 2015.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 22, 2011, 10:41:13 PM
All I really want out of the next SSB is speedy gameplay and smooth online. 

I can dream.

If it gets smooth online, I will never set foot outside or feed myself again, and that would be bad.  :(

Well, bad-ish.

Maybe that's where the Vitality Sensor comes into play. Maybe the Wii U will require you to have the Vitality thing hooked up to your body at all times and when it starts to show your health declining it will shut itself down and refuse to boot up again until you go out and get some exercise.

Ooh, it'll be like having to blow a breathalyzer before your car starts! Brilliant!
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 22, 2011, 11:08:16 PM
So yeah, I'm expecting the 3DS version in late 2013 and the Wii U version in early 2015.

That's a long time from now, and we might not even be alive then because the Mayans predicted the world will end on December 21st, 2012. So those games better come out before then.
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Post by: MegaByte on September 22, 2011, 11:24:15 PM
Super Smash Bros. Apocalypse
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 26, 2011, 10:09:33 AM
I do see Nintendo getting Smash Bros on the 3DS out first...and that it will be a cheaper port in a sense...but I am not worried about the asset thing with Nintendo.  I remember an interview where Nintendo basically stated that they have an art team that is basically building definitive versions of all there characters to be used in future games.  I am sure that team has been working on definitive HD models.  Now, whether those assets will be used is questionable.

I am personally hoping for not more characters but refined characters and better character selection.  They can get rid of half the Star Fox lineup and I would be happy.  I also think those additional characters should just be costume changes.

And many characters need to be reworked.  Samus and Luigi are the first but not the only characters that need radical changes in my book.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on September 26, 2011, 11:10:30 AM
And many characters need to be reworked.  Samus and Luigi are the first but not the only characters that need radical changes in my book.

The hell are you talking about?  Luigi is one of the characters that has gotten better with each game in the series.  There's no need to mess with him.
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Post by: Adrock on September 26, 2011, 11:19:38 AM
Calm down there, cowboy. He probably wants Luigi with his vacuum especially with Luigi's Mansion 2 coming out. Before you jump down my throat too, keep in mind that I'm just offering an explanation and don't actually give a **** either way. The only change I do care about is Luigi getting his crazy legs from SMB2. It doesn't even need to affect gameplay. I just think it looks funny.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 26, 2011, 12:09:43 PM
I want to see Smash Bros. 3DS come out in early 2012 and Smash Bros. Wii U come out late 2012.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 26, 2011, 12:44:15 PM
Seeing as Sakurai hasn't started on either, I doubt that will happen.

But Samus does need to be reworked. She's been progressively nerfed in every new entry to the series. I'd like to see her get back up to her SSB64 level.
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 26, 2011, 01:04:37 PM
I want to see Smash Bros. 3DS come out in early 2012 and Smash Bros. Wii U come out late 2012.

As amazing/horrible that would be, I think Luigi Dude is right in that we wont see this game until 2015 at the earliest. By then the world will be destroyed anyway so who cares?
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Post by: Ceric on September 26, 2011, 03:26:43 PM
I want to see Smash Bros. 3DS come out in early 2012 and Smash Bros. Wii U come out late 2012.

As amazing/horrible that would be, I think Luigi Dude is right in that we wont see this game until 2015 at the earliest. By then the world will be destroyed anyway so who cares?
Ironically enough I don't think I mind that too much.
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Post by: Drizzt on September 26, 2011, 04:06:33 PM
Super Smash bros. Fisticuffs.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 26, 2011, 11:20:38 PM
I want to see Smash Bros. 3DS come out in early 2012 and Smash Bros. Wii U come out late 2012.

The development on the games hasn't begun yet, so that's impossible. The absolute earliest we're seeing the game, at least the Wii U version, is Holiday 2013, and this being Sakurai I'd be very surprised if they hit even that.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 26, 2011, 11:56:35 PM
As amazing/horrible that would be, I think Luigi Dude is right in that we wont see this game until 2015 at the earliest. By then the world will be destroyed anyway so who cares?

That's my point. We need to have these games out before the Mayan calendar ends.
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Post by: Adrock on September 27, 2011, 01:07:29 AM
That would be nice but it's not terribly plausible.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 27, 2011, 11:45:34 PM
That would be nice but it's not in the least bit plausible.

Fixed.
Title: Leaf Green 3DS & Slide Pad LM2?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2011, 03:31:34 PM
Leaf Green 3DS & Luigi's Mansion 2 slide pad compatible!?

(http://i.imgur.com/4jSoC.jpg)


or a bad joke and bad photoshop?
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Post by: King of Twitch on October 06, 2011, 03:44:47 PM
The bad joke is that Luigi's Mansion is getting a sequel.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2011, 03:53:10 PM
Once again one of my slider related predictions is coming true. I'm on a roll here. Now we have an official Nintendo 1st party game which supports the slider in addition to the 6+ 3rd party games that we already knew supported. So face it folks, whether you like it or not this is the new standard and there WILL be a revision which will fuse it into the system at some point.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2011, 04:02:54 PM
Hold up now, don't get too far ahead of yourself.
We have no idea if this document is even real.

It was found on a Japanese blog supposedly posted by a Japanese retailer that got it from a Nintendo rep., so it's nothing more than rumor and conjecture at this point.


It makes sense that it would happen, especially with all the 3DS colors coming out and the fact that Nintendo would want atleast one 1st party title to support this new peripheral, but I wouldn't put it in stone just yet.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 06, 2011, 04:06:48 PM
I know, but the dual slider addon itself started out as rumor and conjecture but now its a confirmed fact. But even before you posted that I thought it was going to happen anyway, because its necessary for that game. You need to have two analog sticks so you can fight with the ghosts like reeling in a fish.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 06, 2011, 09:02:59 PM
Since the original Luigi's Mansion had a two-stick option, I wouldn't be surprised if Luigi's Mansion 2 had the option for the second slide pad. It would make some sense.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2011, 01:24:10 PM
I don't remember it being an option. Wasn't it the default control method? I just played it the default way and didn't think anything about it.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 10, 2011, 08:23:34 PM
It's been a long time, but I remember not liking the C-stick so I stopped using it in Luigi's Mansion. I have no idea if that was an in-game option or if I just chose not to touch it. Though now that I think about it, you might have to hold both sticks in the opposite direction of the ghosts to wrangle them, so maybe I just used it when it was necessary.

Regardless, Luigi's Mansion 2 was in development before the second slide pad attachment was created, so they've already created a normal control scheme. I do think the game will be compatible with the attachment because it would make some sense, but not a requirement.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 11, 2011, 12:11:39 AM
Regardless, Luigi's Mansion 2 was in development before the second slide pad attachment was created, so they've already created a normal control scheme. I do think the game will be compatible with the attachment because it would make some sense, but not a requirement.

I openly speculated in a thread weeks ago that LM2 might have been the game which actually set the analog slider addon in motion. There are other games like Monster Hunter which apparently benefit from it too, but LM2 is a first party game and has probably been in development just as long or even longer.

I really don't think MH3G has been in development that long, even though it will come out before Luigi's Mansion. The reason is because MH3G is basically just a rehash of MH Tri from the Wii with only a few additions and tweaks, so the work on it was already done. Luigi's Mansion 2 on other hand is being made completely from scratch. Unless they are reusing code from the original Gamecube game, which is possible but I doubt it.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 11, 2011, 01:40:53 AM
If LM2 would've made Nintendo make the add-on, they would've just had the second slide pad on the system in the first place. It's their game on their system. The add-on had to come from outside pressure because again, LM2 demoed without it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 11, 2011, 09:04:48 PM
If LM2 would've made Nintendo make the add-on, they would've just had the second slide pad on the system in the first place. It's their game on their system. The add-on had to come from outside pressure because again, LM2 demoed without it.

It should have, and it probably will in a future revision. Its hard to say why it didn't get included in the first place, but clearly it was a mistake that it wasn't.
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Post by: Adrock on October 11, 2011, 09:20:49 PM
By nixing the right slider, I think it's possible that Nintendo was hoping to discourage developers from just developing console games for 3DS which the exact opposite point of the DS line. Instead of discouraging console games from appearing on 3DS, it discouraged all games from appearing on the handheld so it pretty much just backfired. Sure, you can make games without a right analog stick, but why should you when it works?
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Post by: nickmitch on October 11, 2011, 10:46:52 PM
I think this just stemmed from Nintendo's usual short sightedness. They don't need a second stick for the games they make, so they didn't put one on the system. Plain and simple. It probably would've been better for them to get developer input sooner in to the design of the system. Capcom is clearly incredibly influential.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2011, 05:26:31 PM
Nintendo also probably figured that since the DS didn't have any sort of analogue, simply adding one would be enough. I'm also not sure how a second slide pad would work on the current 3DS design. Many people already complain about how uncomfortable the D-pad is to use. If there were a second slide pad, either it would be in the same spot as the D-pad except on the right side, or the buttons would be down there if the pad were on top. Both of those options sound awkward to use.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 12, 2011, 05:43:36 PM
We should also remember the dual slider addon is more than just a slider. Doesn't it also add some shoulder buttons as well? That's the thing that isn't really talked about very much. I don't think extra shoulder buttons are as essential, but there are times when it is useful. What this addon does is give the 3DS the same level of inputs basically as a dualshock or xbox or GC controller. Before that, the 3DS was basically just an SNES controller with an analog slider, but now with this addon its on par with modern controllers.

Why is that important? Well for one thing this means multiplatform developers can more easily port their games to the 3DS. They don't have to change anything at all as far as the controls are concerned. Before the addon they would have had to cut stuff and make changes in order to shoehorn games into the controls, but now they no longer have to.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2011, 05:50:51 PM
Yeah, the slide pad attachment adds two shoulder buttons, one on each side. However, it still isn't on par with the XBox 360 or PS3 controllers, as the sticks on those can be pressed like a button and the slide pads can't. I don't know if that functionality really matters, though.

What I wonder is how a redesign could include both the slide pad and the extra shoulder buttons. If they try shoving those onto the current model then things are going to be very cramped. But if they make it bigger then it may not be as portable. This is the dilemma they face with it. I would personally like a larger model since it would be more comfortable to me.
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Post by: Adrock on October 12, 2011, 06:06:01 PM
I expected any redesign to be larger anyway. There isn't a lot of room to make the current model smaller without reducing the size of the screens which would be silly.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 12, 2011, 06:20:06 PM
I don't have a problem with it getting bigger. The only people who care about that are the ones who insist on carrying it around in their pockets, but that's just a recipe for it getting scratched or broken so you should be carrying it in a protective carrying case anyway. Maybe making the system larger will encourage better handling practices, I dunno.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 12, 2011, 07:58:11 PM
Nintendo operates in the here and now, to a point that is ridiculous.  This is the company that stuck with cartridges on the N64, didn't go online with the Gamecube, and didn't support HDTV connections on the Wii. They had a justification each time but it was based so much on the present that like a year later the decision looked archaic.  They just don't think far enough ahead.

So I'll bet when they designed the 3DS they at that specific point in time had no plans to need a second analog stick.  Later they realized they did.  Ooops.  It was probably when they designed the Wii U tablet, where a second analog stick was an obvious choice and realized that without one they couldn't use the 3DS as a tablet replacement.  It's the same mindset that observed that not enough people were on broadband in 2002 but didn't take into account how many people would be in 2004.  Nintendo doesn't future proof.

And the big difference here is that THEY are the ones that need to fix the oversight.  When it's third parties or consumers that want it?  **** it.  Doesn't matter.  But when Nintendo needs it?  Yeah, they're on that.
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Post by: Adrock on October 12, 2011, 08:06:28 PM
I was under the impression that Capcom dangling Monster Hunter in front of their noses changed Nintendo's mind.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 12, 2011, 08:08:16 PM
It's the same mindset that observed that not enough people were on broadband in 2002 but didn't take into account how many people would be in 2004.

That's not really fair, though. Because Nintendo did release a broadband adapter for the Gamecube. Its not entirely their fault that only one or two games supported it. Now you might argue the Gamecube should have had ethernet built into it right from the beginning, but by that same logic why don't you criticize the PS2 for it? The PS2 didn't have ethernet in the beginning either, but it was added later. The PS2 had like 6 times the marketshare that the Gamecube had and no shortage of 3rd party software, so of course it managed to pull the broadband adapter off. Online failed on the GC simply because the GC itself failed. At least Nintendo provided the option for developers to use it, though.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 12, 2011, 08:18:26 PM
Reply #5000!!!!

and now back to your conversation not based on any rumors....
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Post by: Mop it up on October 12, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
I expected any redesign to be larger anyway. There isn't a lot of room to make the current model smaller without reducing the size of the screens which would be silly.
http://pocketmedia.ign.com/pocket/image/article/642/642275/game-boy-micro-date-revealed-20050816105328468-001.jpg

 ;)

Yes I realize that was a totally different situation. I'm just being snarky for no reason.
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Post by: King of Twitch on October 12, 2011, 08:48:19 PM
What if they called it the Nintend6? it'd be like, woa man. mind blowing. the 6 looks like the o, but with bunny ears. just like the bunny hood. That think makes you go faster than you've ever been.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 13, 2011, 03:10:04 PM
It's the same mindset that observed that not enough people were on broadband in 2002 but didn't take into account how many people would be in 2004.

That's not really fair, though. Because Nintendo did release a broadband adapter for the Gamecube. Its not entirely their fault that only one or two games supported it. Now you might argue the Gamecube should have had ethernet built into it right from the beginning, but by that same logic why don't you criticize the PS2 for it? The PS2 didn't have ethernet in the beginning either, but it was added later. The PS2 had like 6 times the marketshare that the Gamecube had and no shortage of 3rd party software, so of course it managed to pull the broadband adapter off. Online failed on the GC simply because the GC itself failed. At least Nintendo provided the option for developers to use it, though.

I criticize Nintendo for not making any online games themselves.  THAT is the reason the Gamecube was effectively an offline system.  Aside from offering the adapter themselves they didn't put any effort into it and third parties were not going to do it for them.  Nintendo's "effort" was a technicality at best.  It's the sort of effort one does in bad faith so they can claim "See? We did it." without actually doing it.  Doesn't matter anyway because Nintendo not making online games themselves demonstrates the point of not thinking ahead.  They needed to do it then to have the proper experience to do it right in the next gen.  But they didn't so we got friend codes and the Wii having insufficient internal storage.
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Post by: Stogi on October 13, 2011, 03:13:01 PM
Yeah, but right out of the gate we have a huge MMORPG in DQX. SquareEnix is probably a bit annoyed with the Wii Online system so I'm sure they had a lot to say about it when they negotiated a deal to bring it to the Wii U.

Same goes with EA and Activision.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 29, 2011, 03:34:04 PM
Not really sure if I should put this here or in the Wii U topic but here is some Sonic Dimensions rumors.

- working title
 - takes place directly after Generations
 - spiritual successor to Sonic Colors
 - visual quality in line with Generations
 - will take advantage of many Wii U specific capabilities
 - includes the use of the Wii U controllers for up to a 4 person multiplayer
 - use of touchscreen to destroy enemies and activate powers
 - storyline will center around another time-space continuum shift at the hands of Eggman
 - this alters Sonic’s world and Sonic himself
 - Sonic will allegedly split into multiple personalities denoted by color
 - each color has its own unique abilities
 - blue Sonic will be the core Sonic, and will be the uniting figure with the other colors
 - five other colors: Red, Orange, Purple, Green, and Yellow
 - Red Sonic can cause explosions to open up new areas, but has a slow speed and a short jump
 - Purple Sonic will be able to move platforms and float and will have a dark attitude
 - Orange personality similar to Big the Cat
 - yellow Sonic will be the fastest of them all, but takes damage easily
 - only two of the personalities can be used in-stage
 - all may be able to combine and act as an equivalent Super Guide
 - White Sonic allegedly pops up as an option after dying in a stage a certain number of times
 - using White Sonic will make the game easier, but will give you a low rank
 - SEGA may be working with Nintendo developers on this game
 - includes most of the Sonic Colors staff
 - Nintendo helping with level design, which will take a more surreal approach
 - Music Plant from Sonic Advance 2 may be revived for this project
 - Rival battles: fight evil versions of friends like Amy Rose
 - Eggman's personality will split, making a nice version
 - classic Sonic-style 2D elements
 

Most noteworthy things from this rumor is that it will use the Wii U controllers for 4 person multiplayer,Nintendo might be helping out Sega with level design, most of the Sonic Colors team will be working on this title and the Clasic Sonic-style 2D elements will be there. As far as I know there hasn't really been any hints as if any games will use 4 Wii U controllers or not. Question is does this game support 4 Wii U controllers or a mix of Wii controllers and Wii U controllers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 29, 2011, 04:28:13 PM
It's the same mindset that observed that not enough people were on broadband in 2002 but didn't take into account how many people would be in 2004.

That's not really fair, though. Because Nintendo did release a broadband adapter for the Gamecube. Its not entirely their fault that only one or two games supported it. Now you might argue the Gamecube should have had ethernet built into it right from the beginning, but by that same logic why don't you criticize the PS2 for it? The PS2 didn't have ethernet in the beginning either, but it was added later. The PS2 had like 6 times the marketshare that the Gamecube had and no shortage of 3rd party software, so of course it managed to pull the broadband adapter off. Online failed on the GC simply because the GC itself failed. At least Nintendo provided the option for developers to use it, though.

I criticize Nintendo for not making any online games themselves.  THAT is the reason the Gamecube was effectively an offline system.  Aside from offering the adapter themselves they didn't put any effort into it and third parties were not going to do it for them.  Nintendo's "effort" was a technicality at best.  It's the sort of effort one does in bad faith so they can claim "See? We did it." without actually doing it.  Doesn't matter anyway because Nintendo not making online games themselves demonstrates the point of not thinking ahead.  They needed to do it then to have the proper experience to do it right in the next gen.  But they didn't so we got friend codes and the Wii having insufficient internal storage.

I don't think when Nintendo created the online adapter for the Gamecube that they intended it to go unused except for one or two games. They probably had big hopes for it, but it just didn't work out. The same goes with the Gamecube itself. Do you think Nintendo intended for the GC to sell only 21 million units LTD worldwide and be in 3rd place? No, but that's what happened. Had the GC been as much of a success as Nintendo had hoped then 3rd parties would have supported both it and the online adapter more. If the GC was successful enough Nintendo themselves might even have supported the online adapter, but we'll never know for sure because the GC never realized its full potential either online or off.
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Post by: Caterkiller on October 29, 2011, 05:31:18 PM
Not really sure if I should put this here or in the Wii U topic but here is some Sonic Dimensions rumors.

- working title
 - takes place directly after Generations
 - spiritual successor to Sonic Colors
 - visual quality in line with Generations
 - will take advantage of many Wii U specific capabilities
 - includes the use of the Wii U controllers for up to a 4 person multiplayer
 - use of touchscreen to destroy enemies and activate powers
 - storyline will center around another time-space continuum shift at the hands of Eggman
 - this alters Sonic’s world and Sonic himself
 - Sonic will allegedly split into multiple personalities denoted by color
 - each color has its own unique abilities
 - blue Sonic will be the core Sonic, and will be the uniting figure with the other colors
 - five other colors: Red, Orange, Purple, Green, and Yellow
 - Red Sonic can cause explosions to open up new areas, but has a slow speed and a short jump
 - Purple Sonic will be able to move platforms and float and will have a dark attitude
 - Orange personality similar to Big the Cat
 - yellow Sonic will be the fastest of them all, but takes damage easily
 - only two of the personalities can be used in-stage
 - all may be able to combine and act as an equivalent Super Guide
 - White Sonic allegedly pops up as an option after dying in a stage a certain number of times
 - using White Sonic will make the game easier, but will give you a low rank
 - SEGA may be working with Nintendo developers on this game
 - includes most of the Sonic Colors staff
 - Nintendo helping with level design, which will take a more surreal approach
 - Music Plant from Sonic Advance 2 may be revived for this project
 - Rival battles: fight evil versions of friends like Amy Rose
 - Eggman's personality will split, making a nice version
 - classic Sonic-style 2D elements
 

Most noteworthy things from this rumor is that it will use the Wii U controllers for 4 person multiplayer,Nintendo might be helping out Sega with level design, most of the Sonic Colors team will be working on this title and the Clasic Sonic-style 2D elements will be there. As far as I know there hasn't really been any hints as if any games will use 4 Wii U controllers or not. Question is does this game support 4 Wii U controllers or a mix of Wii controllers and Wii U controllers.

That all seems like something very Sega like. I would prefer something more along the lines of what generations is now. Still I can't believe that Nintendo would get involved with making the level design. Rumors are always fun though.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 29, 2011, 06:08:39 PM
hmm, I always wanted Nintendo buy Sega just so they can get Sega back in its once glorious shape, and also so there would be some exclusive franchises under Nintendo's belt. However, that's like a wish. The next best thing is Nintendo takes an advisory role and tells Sega how its fucking up and makes that not happen.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2011, 07:02:47 PM
I was hoping someone would post the Sonic rumors here since I heard there were some, but I hadn't seen them yet.

Sounds interesting, especially if Nintendo is directly involved and upto 4 uMotes are planned.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 29, 2011, 07:47:00 PM
Hoping for that, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 29, 2011, 09:14:04 PM
The part about Nintendo helping out makes it more then likely fake because that sounds way to good to be true.  When something like that is said in a rumor, it usually tells me it's just a fanboy wishlist instead of something with any substance.

Then again, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic 4 and Generations were all leaked long before Sega officially revealed them, so Sonic rumors actually have a history of coming true.
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Post by: Caterkiller on October 29, 2011, 09:19:12 PM
I know it would be difficult but if there could be a 2D side scrolling Sonic, the 2nd tag along character could use the wiipad to catch up. It's what Sonic 2-Kunckles always needed. How is that not an epic idea?! It solves the horrible problem of who ever plays as Sonic just blasting away without Tails! If there could be some tiny picture in picture to stream to the pad it would be great! Imagine going through different parts of the stages due to abilities and affecting one another. Knuckles could be blasting away under ground, find the hidden switch that unlocks a secret road for Sonic up above and they meet up later. Side scrolling 4 swords.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2011, 12:22:21 AM
I know Maxi already posted this, but since he didn't source it or quote the original rumor, I thought I would do it now since it's credibility has been strengthened by the patent that surfaced today

http://www.tssznews.com/2011/10/29/rumor-details-emerge-on-wii-u-sonic/ (http://www.tssznews.com/2011/10/29/rumor-details-emerge-on-wii-u-sonic/)
Quote from: 10/29/11
TSSZ has learned Sonic Dimensions, a working title for the next Sonic, will take place directly after Generations and be a spiritual successor to Sonic Colors.  We don’t know if this game will necessarily be exclusive to the Wii U, but we’re told it will have visual quality in line with Generations and it will take advantage of many Wii U specific capabilities.  That includes the use of the Wii U mini-tablets for up to a 4 person multiplayer, and use of the revised Wii U remote and its touchscreen to destroy enemies and activate powers.



what is this revised Wii U remote with a touch screen that they speak of?

Here is a new patent that is more than likely Wii U related (since the Wii all but dead at this point)

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/11/03/nintendo-patent-reveals-accessory-that-turns-a-wii-remote-into-a-touchpad/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/11/03/nintendo-patent-reveals-accessory-that-turns-a-wii-remote-into-a-touchpad/)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/1zydnhd.jpg)
image courtesy of NeoGAF
Quote
Wii U’s defining feature is a giant touchpad controller. While one player controls Samus’ spaceship, other players may have tiny touch screens of their own. A Japanese patent application filed by Nintendo reveals an accessory you slide on to a Wii remote and turns it into a touchpad.

The magic of mirrors makes the device work. When you touch the pad an infrared LED turns on and the amplified beams from the LED bounce off the mirror and are interpreted by the controller as position data. If you don’t touch the pad, the remote works just like a standard Wii remote.

Nintendo proposes their accessory can be used as an in-game drawing pad or to add a mouse pointer interface to a video game.

So now the wiimote can be a pointer or a trackpad.
Maybe that is a MarioPaint Wii accessory?
or a new way to play FPS on consoles.

But this is surely no substitute for 2-4 uMote local multi, so I hope this isn't an attempt at that solution.

So is that 4 uMotes or is that a mix of 1 uMote and  3 "revised" Wiimotes to create that 4 player action?
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 04, 2011, 12:44:04 PM
It's nice they aren't letting the wiimote die, but I want 4 wiimote upgrades and 4 uPads!
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Post by: nickmitch on November 04, 2011, 04:22:49 PM
I think it'd be a "one or the other" situation. Like, you might have two uPads and two of these, three max.
Title: 2 tablets
Post by: Caterkiller on November 09, 2011, 12:33:00 PM

http://www.develop-online.net/news/39077/Nintendo-working-on-Wii-U-support-for-two-tablets (http://www.develop-online.net/news/39077/Nintendo-working-on-Wii-U-support-for-two-tablets)

Full article here ^


Nintendo engineers are working hard to upgrade Wii U so that it can simultaneously support two tablet controllers, Develop understands.



A trusted game development executive has said there are numerous indications within the Wii U codebase that the console is, at the very least, being prepared to operate with two touch-screen pads.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2011, 12:46:03 PM
It was already posted in the Wii U thread I think, but I guess it belongs in here too.

But this isn't really news. Nintendo didn't commit to more than 1 tablet at E3, but never denied that it could be done. Iwata only stated that cost was the major reason why they weren't pushing for more than the included tablet support.
Shortly after E3, a N rep stated that it can do more than one.
EA had also mentioned using it for Madden where 2 people can pick their plays in secret. That implies the use of 2 tablets(because switching controllers depending on who is on offense is ridiculous).
Then Nintendo also said that if a developer had ideas for 2 (or more?) tablets then they would look into support for that.
Then about a week ago Peter Moore (EA Pres) went to Nintendo HQ in Japan for a briefing about the Wii U.
This week it's leaked that support for 2 tablets is well underway.

There is also talk that 2 tablets has been up and running for a little while now.
....and that Wii U has at least 1GB RAM (specifics could not be shared).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 09, 2011, 03:29:17 PM
That's good, but why stop at two? 4 player local multiplayer has been a standard feature since the N64. Nevertheless, 2 certainly is better than one, and while it was shocking that Nintendo didn't already have that implemented to begin with (just like dual analog on the 3DS) at least its getting fixed before the system launches.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2011, 03:34:35 PM
they already have 5 player local multi with the 1 tablet ;)
j/k I know what you mean.

Hopefully this means that it will now be 6 player local Multi

2 uMote and 4 wiimotes or
1 uMote & 2 wiimotes vs 1 uMote & 2 wiimotes


I really don't think 4 uMotes will be necessary, but if support for them can be added without raising the cost of the system any further, then why not include it.
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 09, 2011, 03:45:14 PM
they already have 5 player local multi with the 1 tablet ;)
j/k I know what you mean.

Hopefully this means that it will now be 6 player local Multi

2 uMote and 4 wiimotes or
1 uMote & 2 wiimotes vs 1 uMote & 2 wiimotes


I really don't think 4 uMotes will be necessary, but if support for them can be added without raising the cost of the system any further, then why not include it.

When PS2 launched with only 2 controller ports I thought it was suicide. But now with the limited online that I have played through Wii and DS I can't stand any 4 player plus games that don't share a single screen. Example Smash Bros and NSMBW.

Despite my tv being larger than I could have ever hoped to imagine since the days of N64 and Gamecube, I hate sharing the screen beyond half. I think 2 tablets will be enough for in house sports guys or Smash Bros. The classic controllers will work just fine for most everything else. Well until the 4swords/crystal chronicles types become standard.

FPS are best online anyway, maybe a 2nd person with you while your at home online. This shale one day apply to Star Fox and F-Zero as well. I refuse to play with any more locally, especially F-Zero. Smash, Mario Tennis, NSMB, DK Country, SaP and maybe a few others will all be just fine with classic controllers locally.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on November 09, 2011, 05:18:35 PM
Nintendo getting caught off guard by the suggestion of supporting multiple tablets was just shocking.  It does not give me a lot of faith in them to be oblivious to something that everyone else immediately thought of.  But then they might have thought of the idea and had intentionally not done it to cut corners and then played dumb when they got the backlash at E3.  It's better to look like fools for not thinking of it then to look like greedy misers for intentionally cutting it.

But one positive is that Nintendo may have had to improve the Wii U hardware to allow for a second tablet.  With the Xbox 420 likely to be revealed at the same time a real threat is for Nintendo to be leapfrogged by being too conservative.  If they had to up the specs to meet the two tablet demand, then they're making the system more future proof, even if it's something they didn't originally want to do.  Now would this affect the cost?  Well Nintendo overcharged for the 3DS and it bit them in the ass huge.  I don't see them increasing the price to match increased specs unless it was going to put them in position to take a loss on hardware.  We might very well get a better system from a technical perspective with less mark up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 09, 2011, 06:14:25 PM
Using two screen controllers is definitely a good sign, and much better than just one. It does make me wonder how much power it takes to operate these controllers though, if they're finding it somewhat difficult for just two. Hopefully it will end up supporting up to four if it's possible, but at least it won't be one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 10, 2011, 06:59:39 PM
Considering that the reports say that the framerate may drop even with 2 Wii U controllers, I don't see 4 happening.

I don't see the Xbox 3 leapfrogging it, it may be a slight improvement (but not that noticeable).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 10, 2011, 07:54:17 PM
Considering that the reports say that the framerate may drop even with 2 Wii U controllers, I don't see 4 happening.

No it didn't.

it said and I
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“At E3 they didn’t commit to this, but they know how important it is to make it technically feasible to support two screens. Even if that affects framerate, as a developer and player, I don’t care. It needs to work. Developers will design appropriate games for this. If you’re building a quiz game you’re not going to give a **** about the framerate.”

But it did say that 4 uMotes are unlikely, which is a shame. But I really think only 2 are necessary, although 4 would be nice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 10, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
I guess I should have clarified and said the reports I have seen, one being the IGN Daily Fix. The point is moot though since we both agree that 4 controllers is not gonna happen.
Title: Origin vs Steamworks on Wii U?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 13, 2011, 02:15:14 PM
EA Pushing for Origin to be the Wii U Exclusive Online System?
http://wiiugo.com/exclusive-ea-origin-to-be-a-key-element-of-nintendos-online-strategy/ (http://wiiugo.com/exclusive-ea-origin-to-be-a-key-element-of-nintendos-online-strategy/)
Trying beat out Valve from getting on the Wii U?
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We received a tip from an EA intern with some very interesting information pertaining to the Wii U’s online system. Our source, who wishes to remain anonymous, claims that her information comes from a network engineer whom she is friends with. As with all news from anonymous sources, it’s difficult to determine its authenticity. But what we received sounds plausible and even explains Peter Moore’s relentless excitement for the Wii U.

It’s no secret that EA are helping Nintendo develop the Wii U’s online service. It will allegedly offer voice- and video-chatting support, leaderboards, and detailed friend lists that tell you who’s online and what they’re playing. The service aims to offer greater flexibility to publishers than Xbox Live, and EA . From our source:
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Many publishers are happy with Xbox Live’s features, but they aren’t happy with how strict Microsoft’s guidelines are.  Nintendo went with an open flexible approach with online because when Nintendo asked developers/publishers what they wanted in an online service, that was the number one thing they asked for.
But interestingly, EA are supposedly in talks with Nintendo to try and make Origin, their digital games distribution platform, a key element of Nintendo’s online strategy, too. EA would have the chance to bring Origin to the console space and win many new users while Nintendo see it “as an opportunity to rebuild relationships with Western gamers because they feel that only a massive western company such as EA nderstands what is needed to make an online service attractive to western gamers.”

According to our source, EA isn’t the only company looking into bringing its digital distribution platform to the Wii U – Valve, too, are interested in getting Steam onto it. But EA are “aggressively persuading Nintendo to go Origins exclusive with Wii U’s online so they can gain a competitive advantage over Steam.”

Personally I would love to see Steamworks be the base of Nintendo's online, but if they can work out a blend of the 2 under some Nintendo branding that has deals just like Steam but also with full EA & Valve support, then that is perfectly fine with me.

Edit: But i'm sure the "wild west" use your own service approach will work out fine too. Lots of  devs will probably just use Steam once they port over the PC version anyway. EA will be free to use Origin, Ubisoft will probably use theirs and everyone will be happy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on November 13, 2011, 04:59:07 PM
"Wild West" Like the Gamecube?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on November 13, 2011, 05:06:19 PM
I kinda perfer EA's approach with Origin better than Steam.  Some of EA games allow multiple users to one account like Dead Space 2 and Crysis 2--meaing you'll be able to connect online to play co-op modes without having to purchase multiple copies in your own home.  Though BF3 was LIMITED to ONE. :(

As for as I know Steam limits all it games to ONE though you can install on multiple systems but you can only log in one system at a time.

BTW:  Some of Nintendo's handheld games also have "game" sharing which I support.  Hopefully MK7 has it as well.
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 13, 2011, 06:18:47 PM
But any system that Nintendo adopts its going to be customized. It will not just be a straight port of the PC version.
Nintendo will still need to maintain control of the system even if it's just a central hub with access portals to other company specific systems (which is what I meant by a wild west approach).
Title: Silicon Knights making ED2?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 13, 2011, 09:27:54 PM
Is Silicon Knight working on Eternal Darkness 2?
http://kotaku.com/5855314/silicon-knights-cuts-half-of-staff-refocuses-on-one-of-its-most-requested-titles-for-the-next-generation (http://kotaku.com/5855314/silicon-knights-cuts-half-of-staff-refocuses-on-one-of-its-most-requested-titles-for-the-next-generation)

Just after recent lay-offs, this is what Silicon Knights had to say
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"We are currently in discussions with other potential partners. The recent Ontario government funding is tied to future performance targets, spread out over the next 5 years, which we will meet."

Silicon Knights declined to say who the partner was, but said it wasn't Activision, who they worked with on their last game.

"The company is currently refocusing and returning to its roots, working on one of its most requested titles for the next generation,"

I can only think of maybe 2 titles that have been requested from SK at all and that would either be a sequel to Legacy of Kain or a sequel to Eternal Darkness. And since I'm pretty sure no one really cares if they ever finish that Too Human Trilogy or not, and most people have forgotten about LoK, then that leaves only ED2... right?

Besides Nintendo still has a stake in this company and I can't imagine anyone actually jumping at a chance to work with them considering the lackluster reception of their last few games. It's in Nintendo's best interest to see them succeed enough to dump the shares for a profit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on November 13, 2011, 09:47:01 PM
God, I hope this isn't true. I do not trust Silicon Knights to do Eternal Darkness justice. Even though I didn't like the first game (I only played it for the first time a couple of years ago), I could see what it was doing at the time was pretty special. The curred Silicon Knights would have no idea how to do something like that again.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on November 13, 2011, 09:53:41 PM
Didn't Iwata state that one of the things they have to come to grips with is realizing that they aren't experts in everything and have to ask for help from 3rd parties (paraphrased)? Having a 3rd party content delivery system like Origin would streamline a number of concerns, and free Nintendo from certain security issues and allow them to focus on other matters. I'm sure there will be limitations as Nintendo can't do anything without tying at least one hand of the consumer behind their backs, but it would be a step in the right direction.

As for SK, if they do anything for Nintendo, I hope it all passes by Nintendo's quality check all along the development cycle. SK needs a good game to stay alive.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 13, 2011, 10:37:30 PM
I don't really care what kind of system it uses as long as it is still free to play online.

If Legacy of Kain has devoted fans, they're not going to stop requesting a new entry in the series no matter how long it has been. I wouldn't be surprised if it received more requests than for Eternal Darkness.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on November 13, 2011, 10:55:29 PM
the thing about Eternal Darkness, is that i can get a lot better. Theres a couple of things that held the first one back that wouldn't hold this one back. The other thing that makes it worth wild is Eternal Darkness is some good stuff. Imagine if you were a coal miner and you struck some gold(im speaking critically not commercially), but then you went back over to the other spot where you were only getting coal.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 13, 2011, 11:47:53 PM
Remember how Nintendo didn't want to release the CD-ROM addon for the SNES because it would have given too much control over to Sony? Well, with that being the case I'm surprised Nintendo would even be considering letting EA use their proprietary Origin thing as the online infrastructure for the Wii U. Wouldn't this give too much control to EA? And also, how are the other 3rd parties going to feel about this? Won't companies like Activision and so on be pissed off that EA is getting this special preferential treatment?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on November 14, 2011, 12:18:13 AM
Remember how Nintendo didn't want to release the CD-ROM addon for the SNES because it would have given too much control over to Sony? Well, with that being the case I'm surprised Nintendo would even be considering letting EA use their proprietary Origin thing as the online infrastructure for the Wii U. Wouldn't this give too much control to EA? And also, how are the other 3rd parties going to feel about this? Won't companies like Activision and so on be pissed off that EA is getting this special preferential treatment?

These were my thoughts exactly, but lately with Nintendo.. You can't really tell what they're going to do.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2011, 12:42:49 AM
It didn't say Nintendo was considering it, it said that EA was "aggressively persuading" as in trying to get Nintendo to agree to it.

But Reggie already stated that Nintendo Online would be a more centralized hub where each Publisher has control over their own portal. EA just wants everyone to go through their portal if they want to be on Wii U. I highly doubt Nintendo would allow that as it goes directly against the plan they already have in place. It would also alienate certain publishers such as Valve, Activision & Ubisoft as they either already have their own system or they have a beef with EA.

Valve has Steamworks
Ubisoft has Ubiplay
Activision has major beef with EA

EA is already a major influence and help with the centralized online "hub" that Nintendo is developing, and I'm sure Nintendo is very grateful for the help, but there is no way I will believe that Nintendo will allow one of the competing publishers (EA) to control the entire digital distribution system on their platform.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on November 14, 2011, 12:44:57 AM
Can you really trust what Reggie says though?
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Post by: Chiramii on November 14, 2011, 02:11:10 AM
Oh man, If I could transfer my steam collection over to the Wii U... A man can dream, can't he?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on November 14, 2011, 05:03:03 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see SK close within a year or so.   It recieved government funding for crying out loud and that xmen game sales were pretty awful.  Two, they laid off employees which I'm guessing voliates the government program.  Meaning they would have to pay the government back 4+ million back just to start a few program.

Unless Nintendo did buy them out but I can't see that happening since SK burnt that bridge themselves.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on November 14, 2011, 07:19:39 AM
Bringing in people to complete projects and laying them off once they're finished is a pretty standard industry practice. Think of how many people were brought in to complete Super Smash Bros. I doubt Silicon Knights would have laid off all of those people unless they were within their rights and capabilities to do so. And they made a shitty licensed game. WayForward Technologies does that all of the time. I imagine they take on those projects for the paycheck so they can help did projects that they actually care about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 14, 2011, 08:39:23 AM
Isn't Silicon Knights the ones who were supposed to bring a game called Too Human to the N64 and then the Gamecube before finally releasing it as an xbox 360 exclusive?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on November 14, 2011, 10:17:13 AM
Adrock there's an difference, the government PAID them 4 million dollars to hire 65 people.  Not only didn't they hire 65 people (someone stated they hired 30-40) but then they laid them off within a year?  Most buyouts like this states the one recieving the money has to employ a certain amount of employees for a certain length of time (usually 5-10 years) and SK failed to due so.  Most likely SK is going have to file Chapter 7 or 11 because the G-Man coming and he wants his money.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on November 14, 2011, 11:30:57 AM
None of the articles I've read about this have suggested that Silicon Knights is in any kind of financial or legal trouble and honestly, that's the first thing I would have expected since that would get more clicks than a news story reporting layoffs. The gist I get is Silicon Knights is operating exactly as they always have, making a single game every 23 years.

Anyway, if SK is "returning to their roots" my guess would be Eternal Darkness considering how things went down with their departure from the Legacy of Kain series. Dyack and Silicon Knights never bad mouthed Nintendo. If Nintendo wants to appeal to core gamers with Wii U, they could do a lot worse than resurrecting Eternal Darkness with the original team at the helm. That should please many fans clamoring for a sequel though I have no idea where they could possibly take it plot wise without it seeming like they were cheating.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on November 14, 2011, 11:41:22 AM
Remake Eternal Darkness itself.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on November 14, 2011, 04:42:38 PM
"is in any kind of financial trouble"

LOL?  You don't qualify for a government handout if you're making money.  Also you're know your hurting when your publisher dumps you again, first MS and now Activision. 

As for the bad blood it has to deal with Too Human going to MS even though Nintendo already gave them years developing th game.  You don't want to hire someone who already burned you once do you? 

Maybe they are working with Konami on making MGS HD. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on November 14, 2011, 04:45:16 PM
"Dyack and Silicon Knights never bad mouthed Nintendo"

He griped about poor sales and how poor Nintendo marketted his games.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on November 14, 2011, 04:51:10 PM
Maybe they are working with Konami on making MGS HD.

To be honest, I was surprised to not see Twin Snakes on the list of games in the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection that just released on PS3, since the original MGS was too old to port to HD.  Maybe Nintendo owns the publishing rights on that game?

As for Silicon Knights, I won't shed a tear for them if they close up shop.  In this industry, you don't spend as much money and take as much time as they do on projects, turn out mediocre to poor product, and expect to still be in business.  They've had some good ideas and concepts from time to time, but if another company like Nintendo or Konami has to prop them up to create anything approaching a worthwhile product (and even then, their work doesn't approach the quality of something like a Retro Studios game), they're not worth keeping.  A company with a longer history of quality product should buy out the IPs and the staff worth keeping, and get rid of the rest.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on November 14, 2011, 05:00:38 PM
Found out something, it's not going be Kain or Soul Reaver, Crystal Dynamics owns the IP.

And what's funny is how even the few that remained in SK are branching out to other developers looking for work.  This developer is pretty much dead as it gets.

8+ million on loans from various government program within the last 18 months and poor sales of Xmen = goodbye SK.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on November 14, 2011, 05:04:56 PM
you know Nintendo just needs to release its own games, and stuff to be successful. The Ea thing having too much control. As long as people are buying their consoles because of EA then Nintendo couldn't be happier. The more people who buy their console, the more people are likely to play their games. If Nintendo can drop the bomb at e3, there might be a time in the future where it would be dumb to make games on other systems. Nintendo is in the best position industry wise right now. From all indications Wii U is going to be for third parties what Playstation was for third parties.
I geek out a little on what little I know, but I know enough that I think if i knew more like someone in the industry Id be geeking in my pants.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on November 14, 2011, 05:59:41 PM
"is in any kind of financial trouble"
Are you kidding me? You quoted less than half of that entire sentence and completely took it out of context. /facepalm
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LOL?  You don't qualify for a government handout if you're making money.  Also you're know your hurting when your publisher dumps you again, first MS and now Activision.
This article (http://www.wellandtribune.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2529331&archive=true) doesn't suggest that Silicon Knights got bailed out for hemorrhaging money. More like the government is trying to support the expansion of game development in Saint Catherines. The news media is not that kind. If Silicon Knights were in trouble, that's all we'd be hearing because that's the bigger story. The only one sensationalizing things is you.
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He griped about poor sales and how poor Nintendo marketted his games.
Would you kindly provide a link? I couldn't find one though beyond a few Google searches, I didn't try terribly hard to help you prove your point. Dyack has gushed over his collaborations with Miyamoto and Nintendo.

Anyway, it's most likely Eternal Darkness. Apparently, Nintendo still owns part of Silicon Knights
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on November 14, 2011, 06:08:45 PM
Yes, many countries, provinces, and localities actually fund game development in hopes in helping their economies.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2011, 06:45:56 PM
As for the bad blood it has to deal with Too Human going to MS even though Nintendo already gave them years developing th game.  You don't want to hire someone who already burned you once do you? 

Maybe they are working with Konami on making MGS HD. 

As I said earlier, Nintendo still owns a piece of SK which is shown on their Financial Statements.
If SK was on the verge of going down, it might be in their best interest to throw them a bone just to get their stock up to high enough to be profitable to sell.

To be honest, I was surprised to not see Twin Snakes on the list of games in the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection that just released on PS3, since the original MGS was too old to port to HD.  Maybe Nintendo owns the publishing rights on that game?

Nintendo funded the game so I don't see why they wouldn't own it. I believe it was a deal between Nintendo and Konami to get the deal made, SK just happened to be their available dev at the time who did all the work. Konami doesn't own the code.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on November 14, 2011, 08:20:37 PM
If SK was on the verge of going down, it might be in their best interest to throw them a bone just to get their stock up to high enough to be profitable to sell.
It would be even better if Nintendo could get Silicon Knights to the point where they could make great games without the handholding. It's been like 7 years since Silicon Knights and Nintendo ended their exclusive deal. Why hold onto them for so long just to let them flounder? With Wii U on the horizon, it's as good a time as any to bring them back into the fold and put them to work.

I think Silicon Knights can still be a great asset for Nintendo. They have talent and passion but they lack one of the most underrated aspects of creativity: the ability and courage to throw away a bad idea or even a good idea simply because it isn't a great idea. We all know Miyamoto is quite adept at this and for all the things he has supposedly taught Denis Dyack, "upending the tea table" isn't one of them. They can learn that; anyone can.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 14, 2011, 08:50:30 PM
I kind of liked Too Human. If they ironed the kinks out of the first one with a sequel it could be great.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 14, 2011, 10:45:05 PM
The best thing about Silicon Knights is their name. I remember way back when I was a Wii Lad reading my Nintendo Power magazines and there was one magazine talking about the Dream Team of developers for the N64, and I remember Silicon Knights was one of them. And I was thinking like Wow, this upcoming N64 is going to be awesome because there is these valiant badass Silicon Knights on its side.

So I hope the company doesn't go out of business just for that reason alone.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 15, 2011, 12:45:32 AM
Silicon Knights was not part of the N64 "Dream Team" Nintendo announced.

The only game of theirs I have played was Eternal Darkness, which I liked but did not think it was great. I am not sure I would want Nintendo to have them handle any sequel to the game (though maybe they could do a good job with Nintendo's supervision).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 15, 2011, 01:01:08 AM
Silicon Knights was not part of the N64 "Dream Team" Nintendo announced.

Yeah they were, because I remember it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 15, 2011, 01:09:35 AM
Silicon Knights was not part of the N64 "Dream Team" Nintendo announced.

Yeah they were, because I remember it.
You're probably thinking of Silicon Graphics, one of the teams who helped design the Nintendo 64 hardware. Silicon Knights signed on in 1998 to create Eternal Darkness for the Nintendo 64, which was mentioned in Nintendo Power a few times. That's probably what you're mixing things up with.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on November 15, 2011, 01:09:44 AM
Rare, Retro Studios and Silicone Knights were part of the Gamecube dream team and not the N64.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on November 15, 2011, 01:34:12 AM
Silicone Knights
(http://i37.tinypic.com/vh8dix.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 15, 2011, 01:55:08 AM
Silicon Knights was not part of the N64 "Dream Team" Nintendo announced.

Yeah they were, because I remember it.
You're probably thinking of Silicon Graphics, one of the teams who helped design the Nintendo 64 hardware. Silicon Knights signed on in 1998 to create Eternal Darkness for the Nintendo 64, which was mentioned in Nintendo Power a few times. That's probably what you're mixing things up with.

I guess that's possible. Its been like 15 or 16 years, so....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on November 15, 2011, 02:02:24 AM
Silicone Knights
(http://i37.tinypic.com/vh8dix.jpg)

This will certainly get Dyack's creative juices flowing for ideas for the next Eternal Darkness. Although I would not mind seeing a new Legacy of Kain helmed by SK, SE and Nintendo. Perhaps Konami could contract SK to help in remaking the first Metal Gear game for 3DS?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on November 15, 2011, 02:07:47 AM
well they weren't part of the original dream team, but they were in the fold not long after, i remember when Eternal Darkness was first announced, it looked radically different then what came out. Although towards the end of its n64 development it looked like the same game with shitty graphics. I remember when Eternal Darkness came out though, I and two others were excited. I think I reserved it, as pointless as that was. I got a giant stand from EB games, it disappeared one day(i think my dad took it to the dump).

(http://www.tetrametrics.com/theperm/Images/catEDA.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on November 15, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
Creepy Cat is Creepy.

And that's the last time I try and applaud MegaByte.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2011, 09:40:18 PM
Creepy Cat is Creepy.

And that's the last time I try and applaud MegaByte.

You can just applaud me instead since ALL HIS APPLAUDS ARE BELONG TO ME


and I just updated the rumor consolidation (see my sig)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on November 17, 2011, 02:22:51 AM
(http://www.tetrametrics.com/theperm/Images/snookems.jpg)

cat with my dad

RIP K.C
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 17, 2011, 04:30:27 AM
Hey, so how about those rumors?

Don't make me change the name of the thread to "The OFFICIAL Big N rumor AND CATS thread *bring your own salt*.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on November 17, 2011, 04:47:55 AM
I hear there will be a new Nintendogs and Cats
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2011, 01:09:46 PM
Rumor has it that the Wii U dev kits have atleast 2GB RAM inside of them.

For debugging purposes you usually have more RAM than the final hardware, so if the SDK has 2GB RAM, then that could mean that the Wii U is likely intended to have ~1.5GB RAM.

But since nothing is finalized yet, those numbers could improve.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 17, 2011, 01:16:16 PM
The Wii U needs to have at least 2GB of RAM because that's what the competition is likely to have, and its important not to be outclassed. So if the Dev Kits must have more RAM than the final product I would feel more comfortable if those Dev Kits had like 4GB of RAM or something.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on November 17, 2011, 01:22:55 PM
Wii U will likely get outclasses either way. Nintendo just needs to make sure that their console is efficient and polished so developers feel like they can still make great games on it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2011, 01:34:52 PM
MS will spend more and lose more upfront to have a more powerful system than Nintendo. They can afford to do so with profits from other departments covering their losses.
Sony will be late to the game and by default will push better tech because of it. They can't afford to take a bath in upfront losses this time around, but I don't they will have to.

It's no secret and something that we all expect. Nintendo will likely have the weakest of the 3 this upcoming generation. But the important thing to remember is that being the weakest won't really matter if the gap is more like last gen (PS2//GC/Xbox) than this gen (Wii////////360/PS3).
Wii U will have enough power to outclass current gen system which already happen to be powerful enough to receive ports of current PC games thanks to the game engines being extremely scalable.

If the 360 can receive a good port of a high-end PC game that run at acceptable framerates with decent texture work, then the Wii U will be able to run that same game at better framerates with even better texture work. Maybe not quite up to MAXIMUM PC SETTINGS, but it will be good enough.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on November 18, 2011, 03:21:13 AM
ew 1.5, im hoping for at least 4
Title: DQVII or FFVII 3DS!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2011, 05:19:07 PM
Rumor has it that Nintendo is set to drop a "Megaton" announcement at the announcement of 3DS selling XXMillion Units WW.

It is a remix of the 7th entry in a popular JRPG series that will go on sale 6 months after the release of a spinoff of the same series.

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OK here is the rumor: big N will announce a megaton on next year’s meeting which to celebrate 3DS sold XX million.

It’s a remix version of the 7th game of a famous (J)RPG series, and will sell half year later of a spin-off game of the series.

Now your first thought has to be something like Dragon Quest 7 right?
that's a no brainer. Nintendo and SE are close and DQ has been remade on the DS all the way up to 6 so far.

but lets use what we know to complicate the issue.
There are 2 spinoffs of popular JRPG franchises coming to 3DS next year.

1.) Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D (2012)
&
2.) Theatrhythm Final Fantasy (Feb 2012)

Now as simple as it is to just believe that it will be DQ7, since that would be logical since the remake of DQ6 released on DS (in the US) earlier this year.

But what if it's FF7

If Nintendo really wants to boost 3DS sales while hitting Sony & Vita where it hurts most, FF7 would be a BIG win in the 3DS column.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 23, 2011, 05:34:04 PM
If you ever want proof that Square Enix has lost it (or only cares about pre-merger Enix properties) it's the fact that a Final Fantasy VII remake has never been done.  I can't think of more OBVIOUS can't-miss hit.  The fans have begged for it for years.  And how could you even **** it up?  You just make the exact same game with better graphics.  Done.

I don't think a DQVII remake is really all that exciting of an idea.  There really isn't anything that seperates the seventh game from the other ones in terms of status or prestige.  It certainly is no "megaton" announcement.  Oh wait, any time a rumour uses the m-word it means it's going to be a huge letdown so DQVII it is.

Though the hell with having a FFVII remake on the 3DS.  Get it as a Wii U exclusive!  Now THAT would shed the casual label pretty damn quick!
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Post by: nickmitch on November 23, 2011, 05:57:35 PM
A DQ7 remake wouldn't be "big" news, especially if the other six have already been remade. It's not the kind of thing that's even worth a rumor, unless you're just trying to troll. Now, FFVII would be huge. It's the kind of thing that'd merit a big, surprise announcement.

On that alone, I wanna think it's FFVII. I want to.

Edit: It'd also be easier to say "six months after a spin off" for something with a firmer release date. Plus, you could say Dragon Quest Monsters has become it's own series, even if it's a spin-off series.
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Post by: Adrock on November 23, 2011, 06:01:42 PM
If you ever want proof that Square Enix has lost it (or only cares about pre-merger Enix properties) it's the fact that a Final Fantasy VII remake has never been done.  I can't think of more OBVIOUS can't-miss hit.  The fans have begged for it for years.  And how could you even **** it up?  You just make the exact same game with better graphics.  Done.
I disagree. Of course, it's an instant hit but Square Enix never had any reason to go back to the well... until recently. Final Fantasy Versus XIII is still MIA. Final Fantasy XIII enjoyed good sales but was hammered for its linearity. And Final Fantasy XIV just got plain hammered by everyone. It's not easy to recover from a string of failures in your biggest money maker. A remake of Final Fantasy VII is something Square Enix is saving for a rainy day, a day when they really **** up. It's like buying your girlfriend flowers and new earrings then taking her to her favorite restaurant because you forgot her birthday and/or insulted her mother.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 23, 2011, 06:08:38 PM
What other jRPG series have at least 7 installments?  Wizardry comes to mind.  Tales of Legendia was the 7th Tales game.  I don't suppose there are any spinoffs of those series coming out, though.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 23, 2011, 06:18:21 PM
wouldnt people rather a console ff7 remake? I think people would **** skyscrapers if they saw that ff7 was coming to wii u with graphics from that ps3 demo and was exclusive to Wii U
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 23, 2011, 06:52:51 PM
wouldnt people rather a console ff7 remake? I think people would **** skyscrapers if they saw that ff7 was coming to wii u with graphics from that ps3 demo and was exclusive to Wii U

Good point.  The fans demanding it want HD visuals.  If they did it on the 3DS they would be following Nintendo's lead of 32/64 bit generation remakes.  But just because it would make more sense to make it a console remake doesn't mean that's what Square Enix is doing.  They had FF remakes on the GBA and DS so maybe they're just keeping the trend and plan to offer VII, VIII and IX as 3DS remakes over the next few years.
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Post by: Shaymin on November 23, 2011, 06:54:04 PM
A DQ7 remake wouldn't be "big" news, especially if the other six have already been remade. It's not the kind of thing that's even worth a rumor, unless you're just trying to troll. Now, FFVII would be huge. It's the kind of thing that'd merit a big, surprise announcement.

It would be in Japan, and the leak's based on Famitsu isn't it? Plus, SquareEnix are the second best trolls in the industry behind Nintendo.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2011, 07:22:25 PM
Yes, the rumor is based on info from Famitsu and Famitsu has been more or less reliable with their info.
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Post by: Ceric on November 25, 2011, 12:35:40 PM
*shrug*
FF7 portable would be just fine.  I personally wouldn't be looking forward to it.  I like the game.  Mainly the Battle and item system it used.  I think they should do that again but, I detest with a passion the new visuals they've given to the characters in the newest batch of Spin-off material.
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Post by: broodwars on November 25, 2011, 01:07:30 PM
I hope for the sake of artistic integrity that Square-Enix never remakes FF7.  For one thing, the constant wailing and gnashing of teeth from that particularly whiny fanbase over a single game is delightful.  The only thing quite like it is the crying of Half Life fans over wanting Half Life 3.   ;)

The thing is, I played FF7 back in its day and I replayed it about a year ago via the PSN version, and both times I generally liked the game.  Playing it reminds me how much my extreme dislike for that fanbase warps my memories of the game.  But it is a product of its time both in gameplay and story, and the diehard fans have blown certain things about it WAY out of proportion (like their worship for the story and characters despite both being quite terrible).

 I'm sure Square-Enix will eventually cave in and remake the game, and then the fans will nitpick them to death on every little thing that didn't live up to their inflated expectations.  Square-Enix would have to craft a perfect game from every conceivable angle and change NOTHING to appease the diehard FF7 fans, and that's neither artistically nor realistically feasible.  I'd rather Square-Enix work on new games that push the genre forward rather than constantly looking back.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 25, 2011, 05:01:16 PM
I get what broodwars is saying about how Square Enix should move forward, rather than looking back.  I feel that way for the industry as a whole.  Remake and re-releases are common.  If you want a sure-thing hit, just remake some old game and every sucker will line up to play the same game again and again.

It's the frequency of it that offends me.  I think old titles should definitely be made available in their original form like with the VC.  For outright remakes however it ideally should be saved for only a handful of select titles.  I remember when Super Mario All-Stars came out.  I never thought that Nintendo was rehashing.  To me the SMB trilogy was so significant that remaking it for the SNES made sense.  Of course they included all three games in one cartridge as well as an unreleased Japan-only game.  So you had some of the most important games ever made, bundled together for the cost of a single game, with a unreleased rarity thrown in.  If that was the typical path these things took, no one would complain.  It was only when everyone went nuts with SNES-to-GBA ports that I started to get annoyed.

Square actually had some pretty good re-releases on the Playstation.  Final Fantasy Anthology included both FF V and VI and it was the first time FF V was released here.  FF Chronicles is a little more redundant but at least it has two games on it (and pretty obscure ones as well) and FF Origins brought FF II to North America.  It's the modern "here's Chrono Trigger sold for the exact same price as a brand new DS game" trend that's no good.

FF VII isn't necessarily the best FF but it is undoubtable the most significant from a historical point of view.  It made the Playstation and made Japanese RPGs popular in North America.  It is certainly the sort of rare title deserving of a remake.  In that sense, why not give the fans what they want?  Sure Square Enix has gone nuts with remakes but THIS is the one title that truly deserved it.  It want SE to move forward as well but it would be a big waste for them to spend so much time being remake-happy and to not remake FF VII.  That's like how Nintendo released on those NPC titles but did NOT localize Pikmin 2, the one title that had real demand for a re-release.  The whole thing seems like a cruel joke without it.

How about SE lays off the past and looks towards the future... but first remakes FF VII to make this whole remaking endeavour somewhat worthwhile?
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Post by: Ymeegod on November 25, 2011, 05:26:19 PM
Remakes don't sell all that well, it's better off for Squaresoft to focus on the next installment of FF IMO than remake FFVII.

Movie remakes are a bit different since it's only an 1.5 hrs of your time but replaying the same 40 hour game in high-resolution isn't going attract those 7 million fans.  The story has been told and unless it's going be an "reboot" I'll skip over it.

Same for Metroid II for that matter. 
 
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Post by: broodwars on November 25, 2011, 05:40:09 PM
FF VII isn't necessarily the best FF but it is undoubtable the most significant from a historical point of view.  It made the Playstation and made Japanese RPGs popular in North America.  It is certainly the sort of rare title deserving of a remake.  In that sense, why not give the fans what they want?

Because the whiny Final Fantasy 7 fanbase doesn't deserve any more projects devoted strictly to them.  Let's take a look back at all that Square-Enix has already given these fans over the past 15 years:

- a full-length animated CG movie sequel in Advent Children, which also had a Blu-Ray director's cut with extended footage.

- a 22-minute long animated OVA detailing early events in the Final Fantasy 7 story in Last Order.

- a PS2 action game sequel in Dirge of Cerberus, staring one of the most popular characters in FF7, Vincent.

- a PSP prequel in Crisis Core, filling in the gaps in the Zack/Sephiroth story.

- a cellphone prequel starring the Turks in Before Crisis.

- multiple major appearances by Final Fantasy 7 characters in the Kingdom Hearts games, with Sephiroth in particular being a major bonus boss in at least two of those games if not more (and Cloud being a major character).

- multiple major appearances by Final Fantasy 7 characters in the Dissidia and Ehrgeiz games.

The Final Fantasy 7 fanbase has been catered to more than any other ever since that game released (even taking into account all the re-releases), and yet that still isn't enough for so many of them.  Every time a new Final Fantasy project gets announced that's not Final Fantasy 7 related, they throw a hissy fit.  And if the last 15 years are any indication, not even getting a remake would make them happy.  No, they can sit down and shut up while other Final Fantasy games new and old get their time in the spotlight.

And by the way, everything I've read about the "Final Fantasy Chronicles" port of Chrono Trigger says that it is an abysmal port, with massive loading and sound issues.
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Post by: Shaymin on November 25, 2011, 07:54:14 PM
I didn't mind the sound on the Chronicles Chrono Trigger, but the loading times for every battle made me want to punt a kitten.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 25, 2011, 08:04:11 PM
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Because the whiny Final Fantasy 7 fanbase doesn't deserve any more projects devoted strictly to them.

I would argue that while Square Enix has made many projects targetted at the whiny FF7 fanbase, they have not actually made the one project the FF7 fanbase is actually asking for - a modern remake of the game.  It's kind of like how Nintendo makes tons and tons of Mario product.  You might think "man, those Mario fans are catered to way too much and me as a Pikmin or Star Fox or StarTropics fan is left out in the cold."  But those various Mario spin-offs aren't what the Mario fanbase is asking for.  They'll buy those spin-offs and usually enjoy them but all they really are asking for is new Mario platformers.  Square Enix has focused a lot on the FF7 fanbase but has really been manipulating them by creating product no one really wanted or asked for that they know the fanbase can't resist.  All the while the product the fans actually want has not been made.
 
So my attitude is much like my attitude about SE remakes - make the FF7 product the fans actually want and then lay off that game for a long time.  Much like with the remakes the emphasis on extra FF7 product would be a waste if it didn't include a remake.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 26, 2011, 01:47:41 AM
Using Mario is an odd choice for that analogy, as while Nintendo does do a lot of spinoff titles they also regularly release new Mario platformers. Hell, they just released one of the best ones they've ever made a couple weeks ago.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 26, 2011, 04:38:29 AM
I never liked the ff7 game, i just didnt buy it. For such high production values, it came off as gimmicky and cheap. I had to sit through a lot of stuff before saving was an option and that's total ****. I wasn't having fun and I hate random battles. Also, the fact that the art style was inconsistent between the game and the random battles was off putting. Im not a big fan of pre-rendered backgrounds, and I only tolerated them in the resident evil series(luckily they're fucking gone). You could make a totally different ff7 game though, i mean if you dropped pre-rendered backgrounds and tried to do it legit it would be pretty epic, Id still not be a big fan of the random battles, except on wii u pad they might be fun. I like strategy rpgs but i really dislike walking around then the screen shakes and im forced into a random battle...

id like to play a game which gameplay wasn't designed around cutting corners on NES, the characters are popular enough, i'd like them presented in another way.
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Post by: Tamazoid on November 26, 2011, 09:45:08 AM
NES? FF7 was on the PS1.
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Post by: Snake-Arms on November 26, 2011, 10:13:18 AM
Chocobo Racing 7

It's so awesome it skips the other iterations.


FACE.
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Post by: Snake-Arms on November 26, 2011, 10:17:52 AM
If it does turn out to be FF7 I will be disappointed.  I think it's a horribly overrated game (FF6 rapes its face) and is lifted to a mythical, yet laughable, status.  Don't get me wrong it's good but the fanboy gushing over this game is tantamount to idle worship.

Give me Chocobo Racing action in treeee deeeee.
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Post by: Adrock on November 26, 2011, 11:24:04 AM
NES? FF7 was on the PS1.
He specifically referenced the gameplay so I think he's talking about turn-based battles.
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Post by: Lithium on November 26, 2011, 04:33:48 PM
If it does turn out to be FF7 I will be disappointed.  I think it's a horribly overrated game (FF6 rapes its face) and is lifted to a mythical, yet laughable, status.  Don't get me wrong it's good but the fanboy gushing over this game is tantamount to idle worship.


Agreed. It's funny reading about how people love the story and characters when both are laughably bad.
Gameplay is ok though but isn't worthy of the golden idol status it gets.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 26, 2011, 05:50:23 PM
Maybe that's the real reason it's never been remade.
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Post by: Adrock on November 26, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
I liked Yuffie. Sure, she's no Celes but let's be honest, no other Final Fantasy character will ever match Celes's awesomeness.
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Post by: broodwars on November 26, 2011, 06:53:53 PM
I liked Yuffie. Sure, she's no Celes but let's be honest, no other Final Fantasy character will ever match Celes's awesomeness.

I don't know...Yuna certainly had her moments in FF X, and her overall story was pretty good (and the soul of that game).  There's Auron from that game as well, who was pretty awesome and had some really good moments.
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Post by: noname2200 on November 28, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
If it does turn out to be FF7 I will be disappointed.  I think it's a horribly overrated game (FF6 rapes its face) and is lifted to a mythical, yet laughable, status.  Don't get me wrong it's good but the fanboy gushing over this game is tantamount to idle worship.


Agreed. It's funny reading about how people love the story and characters when both are laughably bad.
Gameplay is ok though but isn't worthy of the golden idol status it gets.

My pet theory has always been that, for many of those people, it was their first JRPG. The sales figures definitely indicate that...
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 28, 2011, 02:10:55 PM
For me the appeal of FF7 was the ambition of it.  The FMV and pre-rendered backgrounds were all about trying to push the envelope in regards to presentation.  You can tell in FF6 that Square wanted to make a game with an epic story and the presentation to match it.  FF7 continued in that direction, only they now had the CD medium to work with.  You might prefer FF6 (I do) but the ambition is similar.  Square had abandoned the "role playing" thing a while back.  RPGs had become the medium for epic storytelling in videogame form.  Those stories are usually laughable but that was the idea.  With FF7 Square was clearly thinking "Now we can have our music sound exactly like we want with Red Book Audio.  Now we can make each area look exactly like we want with pre-rendered backgrounds.  And if we want to have a particularly dramatic moment we can make it look exactly like we want with FMV cutscenes!"

If they could have done the opera scene in FF6 with a real singer and using dynamic camera angles, they would have.  It's only because of the limitations of the SNES that they did it the way they did.  FF7 was Square getting to do exactly what they wanted to do on the SNES.  In that sense it is somewhat impressive.  Even if you don't like the specifics the passion shines through.  They finally could offer a presentation that fit their storytelling ambitions.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 28, 2011, 06:24:31 PM
FF VII isn't necessarily the best FF but it is undoubtable the most significant from a historical point of view.  It made the Playstation and made Japanese RPGs popular in North America.
RPGs were never popular in North America. If they were, there would be other RPGs on the PlayStation's million-sellers list that aren't Final Fantasy, but there are only a few that just barely topped a million and most of those sales are from Japan. Instead, FF7 made FMV popular; this is the main reason why people bought FF7. Once FMVs started showing up in action games and the like, sales of FF games started declining, until today where they sell a small fraction of what the PlayStation games managed.

It's kind of like how Nintendo makes tons and tons of Mario product.  You might think "man, those Mario fans are catered to way too much and me as a Pikmin or Star Fox or StarTropics fan is left out in the cold."  But those various Mario spin-offs aren't what the Mario fanbase is asking for.  They'll buy those spin-offs and usually enjoy them but all they really are asking for is new Mario platformers.
Wrong. I've been asking for Mario Party 9 for a few years now. In some cases I actually enjoy the spin-offs more than the platformers.

but let's be honest, no other Final Fantasy character will ever match Celes's awesomeness.
Bleh. She's such a drama queen. Terra is way better.
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Post by: broodwars on November 28, 2011, 06:41:01 PM
Bleh. She's such a drama queen. Terra is way better.

I was always more a fan of Terra and her theme song as well.

As for the correlation between FMVs and the popularity of the Final Fantasy games, I believe Final Fantasy X sold better than any of the playstation 1 Final Fantasies worldwide.  FMVs were pretty mainstream by that point, so I don't think that was the correlation after probably Final Fantasy 8.  I think FF8 was probably the rude awakening for a lot of people that thought Awesome FMV=Awesome Game.

I think the later Final Fantasies have sold less-well (only 14 has sold poorly) because the West has grown tired of the anime cliches most JPRGs call "characters" and "stories".  Look at Xenoblade, a game that has sold well in the West as far as we know, which has characters that don't conform to the same archetypes that dominate the genre.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 28, 2011, 06:51:54 PM
FFX sold 6.6 million whereas FFVII was 9.8 and FFVIII was 8.15. FFX did beat out FFIX but to be fair on that, FFIX was not only released after the PS2 launched but it also was styled after the earlier FF games and therefore less cinematic. I'm sure that many people who bought FFVII became a fan of the series and its FMV, not RPGs, and that's why they bought new FF games but didn't branch out into other RPGs.

I was always more a fan of Terra and her theme song as well.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the theme. It's one of the best overworld tunes in the series.
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Post by: broodwars on November 28, 2011, 06:58:02 PM
FFX sold 6.6 million whereas FFVII was 9.8 and FFVIII was 8.15. FFX did beat out FFIX but to be fair on that, FFIX was not only released after the PS2 launched but it also was styled after the earlier FF games and therefore less cinematic.

Out of curiosity, where are you getting your numbers?  I remember listening to this (http://cdn1.gamepro.com/video/podcast/roleplayersrealm/RPRealm16.mp3) Roleplayer's Realm podcast and they said that FF X sold better than FF VII, and they believed it was one of the reasons why Square-Enix was "remaking" that game instead of FF7.  They were factoring in Japan numbers as well as the West there, though.  FF7 was not as significant in Japan as it was here.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 28, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
Fallout 3 is considered an RPG and it has sold extremely well in the west. Buts its an RPG and not a JRPG.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 28, 2011, 07:30:40 PM
Western RPGs are more popular than JRPGs right now (not including Japan), but that may just be because there haven't been many worthwhile console JRPGs this generation, and that the mainstream titles in the genre are fairly stagnant.
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Post by: Adrock on November 28, 2011, 08:13:40 PM
Bleh. She's such a drama queen. Terra is way better.
Nonsense! All Terra did was sulk. boo/hiss
I was always more a fan of Terra and her theme song as well.
Hmm, I think Celes's theme wins this round for me too (just barely), but Final Fantasy VI's soundtrack is my favorite in any videogame. It's hard to pick a favorite. Okay, that's a lie. It's Forever Rachel.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 28, 2011, 08:39:43 PM
Out of curiosity, where are you getting your numbers?
Wikipedia. I didn't check the sources for the numbers but I know they don't use VGChartz.

As far as Western RPGs go, those aren't really RPGs. They may have been inspired by RPGs and have some of the elements mixed in, but the core gameplay is so different as to make them entirely different games. This isn't to try and demean them or anything like that, just to say that they are different types of games that appeal to different people.
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Post by: Lithium on November 28, 2011, 09:02:40 PM
i find that the main difference between JRPGs and WRPGs is that western RPGS are actually role playing games.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 28, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
That statement is so vague that it could mean anything. Technically, any game where you play the role of a character is a role-playing game.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 28, 2011, 09:13:04 PM
its not that western rpgs are not roleplaying games and jrpgs are, its that jrpgs arent role playing games and wrpgs are. The western rpg game pre-dates the jrpg genre. The jrpg genre is a sub-genre thats spun off in its own direction.
RPGs are at their core stat management games, based around table top dungeons and dragons concepts. In a regular rpg you get to really create your character and evolve the characters story, but in jrpgs they hand you a group of characters and you grind their stats up and you must follow their linear story line. Everything in jrpgs is predefined except the characters stat management, but even that has limitations.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 28, 2011, 10:10:04 PM
I think what it is that makes an RPG an RPG is that your character gains experience from combat and levels up and becomes more powerful. That makes an RPG different than an action game like say Mario or Call of Duty, where your character is the same strength from beginning to end. In action games the only time your character becomes more powerful is with temporary powerups like a Mushroom or a gun or whatever. RPGs can also have that, but there is also the permanent strengthening of the character brought on from experience in combat

This character experience and leveling up is what JRPGS and western RPGs like Fallout have in common and what separates them from all other types of games.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 29, 2011, 11:08:29 AM
Perm's got this right; the Western RPGs are a lot truer to the pen and paper origins of the genre, so if only one of the two can be considered RPGs, it's the Western games. Interestingly, JRPGs started out a lot more like that, but have become more and more linear and story-based over time. Go back and play the original Final Fantasy (or hell, any Dragon Quest) and they're a lot closer to Western RPGs than current JRPGs are.
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Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2011, 11:25:42 AM
Yes, Western RPGs have there roots firmly in Table Top Gaming (D&D, Exalted, etc).  Which makes sense because that is a Western derived concept.  By my understanding in Europe adult board games are more popular (Axis and Allie, Risk, Those tons of Strategy Games that I've seen but never play that I'm sure KDR could fill me in on.)  I'm trying to think of a Europe derived set of RPGs... My mind is blanking for some reason.

Suffice it to say that playing a role is a very cultural thing still.  Some of us prefer the growing mighty in a more linear experience (Myself being one of them but, I expect my RPGs to be more diamond shaped.)  Other of us love the Sandbox that will just let us be.
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Post by: noname2200 on November 29, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
but let's be honest, no other Final Fantasy character will ever match Celes's awesomeness.
Bleh. She's such a drama queen. Terra is way better.

Sure, but Terra's super-emo. Besides, the real best FF VI character is clearly Mog. Moogle Charm, baby!

I'm trying to think of a Europe derived set of RPGs... My mind is blanking for some reason.

 If you mean video game RPGs, The Witcher, Drakensang, Mount and Blade, and Two Worlds are some of the more popular recent titles. They've actually made a bunch of them. If you mean tabletop RPGs, there's probably a whole bunch there too, but I tend to play the more strategic boardgames, so I'm not up on the scene.
 
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Post by: Ceric on November 29, 2011, 02:22:37 PM
but let's be honest, no other Final Fantasy character will ever match Celes's awesomeness.
Bleh. She's such a drama queen. Terra is way better.

Sure, but Terra's super-emo. Besides, the real best FF VI character is clearly Mog. Moogle Charm, baby!

I'm trying to think of a Europe derived set of RPGs... My mind is blanking for some reason.

 If you mean video game RPGs, The Witcher, Drakensang, Mount and Blade, and Two Worlds are some of the more popular recent titles. They've actually made a bunch of them. If you mean tabletop RPGs, there's probably a whole bunch there too, but I tend to play the more strategic boardgames, so I'm not up on the scene.
Most people from Europe I know play more strategic boardgames then pen and paper.  I have to admit I haven't played any of those.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 29, 2011, 09:26:25 PM
I think what it is that makes an RPG an RPG is that your character gains experience from combat and levels up and becomes more powerful.
So you think that the gameplay has absolutely nothing to do with what makes an RPG?

I've always seen RPGs as having menu-based gameplay with outcomes usually decided by random number generators, which produces results similar to the rolling of dice.

Sure, but Terra's super-emo.
No way. Let's see you go through what she went through and tell me how you feel.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 30, 2011, 12:26:35 AM
god i would love a really awesome Risk game, I love playing the board game, but make some slight console changes to the gameplay and it could be epic. Adding some roleplaying elements to risk would be a pain in the ass on a table top, but would be pretty awesome on a console and add some strategy. One thing I never liked about risk was the dice role, and some jrpg/ srpg stuff would play in nicely and allow for some skill.
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Post by: Ceric on November 30, 2011, 07:06:48 AM
Lots of people has tried risk.  Though you pretty much described Fire Emblem Styled RTSes.
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Post by: noname2200 on November 30, 2011, 01:22:38 PM

Sure, but Terra's super-emo.
No way. Let's see you go through what she went through and tell me how you feel.

Bah, realism doesn't translate into interesting! Besides, take Rydia from FF IV: an eight year old forcibly kidnapped by the man who confessed to murdering her mother and burning down her entire village. She didn't get emo at all! That's a sign of true maturity right there.

Or Stockholm Syndrome

One thing I never liked about risk was the dice role, and some jrpg/ srpg stuff would play in nicely and allow for some skill.

 I'm not sure what you mean here. Like Mop pointed out, rpgs are heavily dependent on dice rolls, albeit ones hidden from the player's view. Plus, maybe I'm just biased here, but boardgames rely on far more skill than they do luck.
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 30, 2011, 05:07:42 PM
This thread is in major need of a new rumor or speculation, so I'll just reach in the hat and try to pull out a rabbit.

AMD is prepping it's Next Generation GPU Architecture and they are calling it GCN (Graphics Core Next) http://www.anandtech.com/show/4455/amds-graphics-core-next-preview-amd-architects-for-compute/5
coicidence?
(GameCube Nintendo)
or maybe not...?

Remember that back in the day Nintendo was working with Silicon Graphics on the N64, who then has a splinter group who was snapped up by ATi (some of the rest went to work for Nintendo), ATi was then bought up AMD, yet the same team has been working with Nintendo ever since.
Some of the tech that this group made for Flipper was integrated into lots of ATi GPUs after they bought them and have been evolved into the cards we have today. I don't know the details since I'm not a techie, but Flipper had some innovations that carried over into the rest of the company.

Now Nintendo is working with AMD/ATi for a brand new GPU architecture since the Flipper is extremely outdated and in desperate need of modernization. So out with the old (GCN's Flipper) and in with the new? (Wii U's GCN?)

So what do you guys think? Could Nintendo be getting a customized version of AMD's GCN Architecture for their Wii U GPU or is AMD just being funny with their naming and it's all just a very big coincidence?

Graphics Core Next....? GameCube Nintendo. GCN & GCN
very weird.

what do you guys think?


here is more on GCN from back in June, which is far as I can tell is when it was announced (the week after E3 and Wii U's reveal).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4455/amds-graphics-core-next-preview-amd-architects-for-compute
http://wccftech.com/amds-graphics-core-architecture-radeon-hd7000-series-detailed-liquid-chamber-cooling-gpus-confirmed/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on November 30, 2011, 05:42:47 PM
Besides, take Rydia from FF IV: an eight year old forcibly kidnapped by the man who confessed to murdering her mother and burning down her entire village. She didn't get emo at all! That's a sign of true maturity right there.
No, that's a sign of poor writing. Every character in FFII/IV is that sort of way, they barely react to anything and just keep pressing onward. Plus, there's a huge chunk of time where we see nothing of Rydia, so we have no idea want she went through to transition from that scared little girl into what we see when she rejoins the party. In contrast, we follow Terra through her transformation.

FFVI is pretty dramatic on the whole, so just about every character shows personality. I wouldn't call it emo because there are legit reasons for them to behave in such a way, and the only character who I feel overreacts is Celes.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on November 30, 2011, 06:37:30 PM
Lots of people has tried risk.  Though you pretty much described Fire Emblem Styled RTSes.

I don't think I've Fire Emblem before, but I assumed it was just like Shining Force and Final Fantasy Tactics. The thing that would set this apart is the growing dividing armies and the up to 4 player game play. It would be a pretty cool game for Wii U.

Lol at GCN, no way they aren't ribbing people with that. See thats why you have to count on Nintendo's custom chips to not just be what people say they are. I tell people Nintendo has a sweetheart deal with AMD. The president of AMD was the head of the N64 team at silicon graphics. No matter which version of which chip AMD says the Wii U core is doesn't really matter, all the chips are related, and I said it could be creative accounting, but it could just be secretism too. The only way for you to know exactly what the chips are is to look at them with an electron microscope, or have some documentation. Its all kept NDA anyways.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 30, 2011, 07:05:51 PM
Maybe the Wii U will be renamed to "Gamecube  Next" and this GCN will be the core graphics thing of that?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 30, 2011, 09:40:42 PM
Not sure they would want to re-use the name of their worst-selling console.
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Post by: yosh on December 01, 2011, 02:18:08 AM
Not sure they would want to re-use the name of their worst-selling console.


I'm a bit disappointed the GameCube didn't sell too well. Imagine how things would have gone differently if it did sell well. The Wii probably would have been equivalent to 360 and PS3 as the GCube was pretty close to PS2 and XBOX if not better than PS2 in terms of hardware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on December 01, 2011, 02:47:20 AM
if there was no xbox than gcn would have probably done better.
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Post by: Stratos on December 01, 2011, 04:05:33 AM
The Virtual Boy was Nintendo's worst selling console. At least the GameCube wasn't discontinued and never mentioned again.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on December 01, 2011, 08:38:10 AM
If the GameCube performed better, there would be no Wii, at least not as we know it today. Nintendo probably would have released the remote as a peripheral for GameCube as originally planned despite the supposed latency issues. If not, we would probably have gotten it as a peripheral for Nintendo's 5th console. I don't know if I would have wanted things to play out like that. The way things turned out, Nintendo learned a few things by making mistakes and I still got all of the excellent 1st party titles that I buy Nintendo console's for. Wii U is looking like a winner and I don't think we would be getting the same console had GameCube been more successful. It would have made Nintendo justify some of their odd choices like the purple console and limited storage medium.
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Post by: Ceric on December 01, 2011, 09:43:51 AM
I don't think the GameCube being succesful would have changed to much coming from the Wii but, I do think we might not have gotten the DS.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 01, 2011, 11:42:09 AM
Nintendo did mention how the Wii was supposed to be a peripheral for the GameCube. I would think having a higher selling system would've changed their minds about the approach. The Wii would still probably exist, but perhaps would've been launched as an upgrade to the GCWii, something probably in between what the Wii is now and what Wii U will be.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 01, 2011, 12:26:07 PM
if there was no xbox than gcn would have probably done better.

If there was no Halo then GCN probably would have pulled ahead. That was the game which single handedly ruined the 6th generation of gaming.

The Virtual Boy was Nintendo's worst selling console. At least the GameCube wasn't discontinued and never mentioned again.

But the Virtual Boy wasn't a console, it was a handheld..... er, uh I mean it was a portable.... um, well... actually it wasn't portable or handheld, but it had its own display and didn't hook up to a TV so it wasn't a console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on December 01, 2011, 12:41:50 PM
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The Virtual Boy was Nintendo's worst selling console. At least the GameCube wasn't discontinued and never mentioned again.

But the Virtual Boy wasn't a console, it was a handheld..... er, uh I mean it was a portable.... um, well... actually it wasn't portable or handheld, but it had its own display and didn't hook up to a TV so it wasn't a console.
VB, Defying classification better than the Wii.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on December 01, 2011, 01:13:39 PM
The original 3rd pillar.
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Post by: Ceric on December 01, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if VB came back as a system that was akin to just putting on a pair of sunglasses with a wireless controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on December 01, 2011, 01:37:38 PM
I think the Gamecube's biggest problem was that it's first impression played into the hands of Nintendo's detractors.  "Nintendo is kiddy" so Nintendo makes the system look like a purple lunchbox.  "Nintendo are behind the times" so Nintendo announces that they won't make online games.  "Nintendo has no third party support" so the system's first E3 shows off Rogue Leader, and virtually no other third party titles.  "The N64 had too big of gaps between releases" so the Gamecube starts things off with a huge post-launch drought.  "Nintendo just does the same thing over and over again" and Nintendo does the "Who Are You?" marketing campaign that almost literally tells people "we're just the same thing over and over again."

Whatever negative opinions people had with the N64 Nintendo seemingly went out of their way to confirm them with the Gamecube.  And the Gamecube wasn't even that bad.  Some better PR work and undoing some really dumb decisions like not going online and it probably would have done way better.  What Nintendo needed to do was tell the world that the N64 was a fluke and that the problems it had were not going to be the norm.  They did nearly the opposite.  And the whole thing came across like Nintendo was utterly oblivious to what problems the N64 had in the first place.  They came across as having learned NOTHING.

The Wii was Nintendo saying "we give up."  "We either don't know what we've been doing wrong or are just too stubborn to change so we're going to focus on a new audience that is ignorant of how idiotic we can be."  And the old videogame audience (minus hardcore Nintendo fans that Nintendo thinks will stick around no matter what) read that loud and clear and wanted nothing to do with Nintendo.  Now with the Wii U what Nintendo needs to do to get the core audience back (assuming they actually give a ****) is tell the world that the Wii U isn't the Wii again.  It isn't going to be predominantly casual focused.  It will have good third party support, it will have cutting edge hardware, it will have current gen graphics.  But will they do that or will it just confirm everything the detractors are saying like the Cube did?  Well they're calling it the Wii U and it sure looks like a Wii so I guess they never learn.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on December 01, 2011, 02:26:56 PM
I think the Gamecube's biggest problem was that it's first impression played into the hands of Nintendo's detractors.  "Nintendo is kiddy" so Nintendo makes the system look like a purple lunchbox.  "Nintendo are behind the times" so Nintendo announces that they won't make online games.  "Nintendo has no third party support" so the system's first E3 shows off Rogue Leader, and virtually no other third party titles.  "The N64 had too big of gaps between releases" so the Gamecube starts things off with a huge post-launch drought.  "Nintendo just does the same thing over and over again" and Nintendo does the "Who Are You?" marketing campaign that almost literally tells people "we're just the same thing over and over again."

Whatever negative opinions people had with the N64 Nintendo seemingly went out of their way to confirm them with the Gamecube.  And the Gamecube wasn't even that bad.  Some better PR work and undoing some really dumb decisions like not going online and it probably would have done way better.  What Nintendo needed to do was tell the world that the N64 was a fluke and that the problems it had were not going to be the norm.  They did nearly the opposite.  And the whole thing came across like Nintendo was utterly oblivious to what problems the N64 had in the first place.  They came across as having learned NOTHING.

The Wii was Nintendo saying "we give up."  "We either don't know what we've been doing wrong or are just too stubborn to change so we're going to focus on a new audience that is ignorant of how idiotic we can be."  And the old videogame audience (minus hardcore Nintendo fans that Nintendo thinks will stick around no matter what) read that loud and clear and wanted nothing to do with Nintendo.  Now with the Wii U what Nintendo needs to do to get the core audience back (assuming they actually give a ****) is tell the world that the Wii U isn't the Wii again.  It isn't going to be predominantly casual focused.  It will have good third party support, it will have cutting edge hardware, it will have current gen graphics.  But will they do that or will it just confirm everything the detractors are saying like the Cube did?  Well they're calling it the Wii U and it sure looks like a Wii so I guess they never learn.

pfffffffffffhahahahhaha

The Wii was Nintendo giving up? More like Nintendo was tired of getting with the same chick everyone else was hitting on and decided to go find themselves some new pussy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on December 01, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
To follow in your analogy, the chicks Nintendo hooked up with are like married chicks who only put out once and then realize they like making scrapbooks more than sex. Meanwhile, Xbox & PS3 may have the same chicks, but at least they like sex, even at 4 in the morning.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2011, 03:15:27 PM
Yet PS3 & 360 keep sharing the same chicks, while Nintendo is popping cherries left and right.
Then all those popped cherries are recommending their friends who also get their cherries popped.

And while PS360 have a steady flow of the "same ol hoes"
Nintendo is getting invited to all the parties where there is a never ending supply of new cherries to pop.

--------or--------------

Nintendo is a rockstar who only goes on tour every once in a while and brings in all sort of new fresh groupies along the way.

Meanwhile PS360 are the local band in the local hotspot with their crowd of usuals that constantly request the same old songs or covers from other bands.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 01, 2011, 03:27:47 PM
pfffffffffffhahahahhaha

The Wii was Nintendo giving up? More like Nintendo was tired of getting with the same chick everyone else was hitting on and decided to go find themselves some new pussy.

Some new soccer mom and elderly casual pussy.

Yet PS3 & 360 keep sharing the same chicks, while Nintendo is popping cherries left and right.
Then all those popped cherries are recommending their friends who also get their cherries popped.

But it was elderly soccer mom cherries.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on December 01, 2011, 03:45:09 PM
How many 20-something year old girls do you know that own a PS3 or 360? I can only think of one and she is a huge (but cute) nerd. Her favorite thing to talk about other than how she loves zombies is how the human brain works. BTW, she owns a Wii too and she just picked  up LOZSS.

On the flipside, I know 7 girls off the top of my head that own Wiis. They may not own Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime, but they love WiiSports, WiiSports Resort, MK, and NSMB.
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Post by: Adrock on December 01, 2011, 03:45:36 PM
But it was elderly soccer mom cherries.
Wait, what? Soccer mom cherries are already popped. Do you know how sex works?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 01, 2011, 03:55:01 PM
But it was elderly soccer mom cherries.
Wait, what? Soccer mom cherries are already popped. Do you know how sex works?

I thought we were talking about gaming "cherries", not literal hymens.

But I have seen some pictures of wiimotes being inserted into women. But I don't think that's the sort of use Nintendo would approve of for their products. I guess a Wii mote could literally pop a cherry...
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Post by: Stogi on December 01, 2011, 04:02:37 PM
And that's exactly where my metaphor stops being funny.

This is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 01, 2011, 04:04:13 PM
Using the chick analogy, Nintendo gave up trying to attract the chicks they had been turning off for the last ten years.  That's how they "gave up".  They completely fumbled one audience, so they went for another who was easier to please.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2011, 04:06:58 PM
Not only were they easy to please, but they were eager to be pleased.

Good call Nintendo. Good Call.

---------------------

Instead of chasing the same group of hot but drunk chick at the bar like has always been done, Nintendo stepped out of the comfort zone of dim lighting, loud music and cheap drinks and sought a more sophisticated and often ignored group of women. The ones at the library, the office building, the grocery store, the parking lot at the elementary school, the gym, garden center at Home Depot, etc etc.
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Post by: Ceric on December 01, 2011, 04:23:25 PM
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The ones at the library, the office building, the grocery store, the parking lot at the elementary school, the gym, garden center at Home Depot, etc etc.
My those are quite specific there BnM.  New Haunts?
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Post by: Stogi on December 01, 2011, 04:31:52 PM
Not only were they easy to please, but they were eager to be pleased.

Good call Nintendo. Good Call.

Ok. It's funny again.
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Post by: bustin98 on December 02, 2011, 09:36:36 AM
Nintendo is only missionary though. Good for a quick fix, but definately not hardcore (haha, I hate that term in relation to gaming, but is good with sex). Nintendo, like 360 & PS3, really need to be getting it on as much as possible. And in the end while a larger stable is desireable, those who get it going on the most wins.

Yes, Nintendo was the attractive tall blonde, able to sweet talk his way into even the church lady's pants. Now the ladies realize he isn't as well rounded as they thought he was. Nintendo hasn't even looked at a kama sutra. As he calls the numbers in his little black book, more and more he's hearing "I'm washing my hair tonight".
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Post by: Ceric on December 02, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f118/Cericme/Fabtendo.jpg)
Yes, I'm Nintendo.
And...
Yes, Those are Actually My Pants.
Title: Xenoblade April 2012 in the US?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2011, 10:37:26 AM
Well, this is an interesting rumor: Xenoblade's been marked (apparently) for an April release as a GameStop exclusive.

(http://i.imgur.com/34q5m.jpg)

Huh.               

I hope that "exclusive" is just some extra content and not the whole game.
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 02, 2011, 01:58:24 PM
Hooray!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Xenoblade April 2012 in the US?
Post by: yosh on December 02, 2011, 02:40:27 PM
Well, this is an interesting rumor: Xenoblade's been marked (apparently) for an April release as a GameStop exclusive.

(http://i.imgur.com/34q5m.jpg)

Huh.               

I hope that "exclusive" is just some extra content and not the whole game.


Just saw that on a different forum earlier this morning. Good news even though I don't know anything about the game and probably won't buy it since my backlog for Wii is way too big.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2011, 03:24:26 PM
Supposedly the best RPG of the gen version regardless of console.


It will probably be the last game I buy for Wii considering how big my back log is too.
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Post by: yosh on December 02, 2011, 03:37:51 PM
Supposedly the best RPG of the gen version regardless of console.


It will probably be the last game I buy for Wii considering how big my back log is too.


I just noticed Mario Party 9's release date on the pic that you posted and I'm super pumped for that game. I love Mario Party games even though after 5 it went down hill and 8 was complete ****. I'm really confident that Nintendo will produce a quality game with it seeing as how later on in the Wii's life cycle Nintendo has just pumped out excellent games. I'll probably GameFly xenoblade or something.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 02, 2011, 03:57:26 PM
It will probably be the last game I buy for Wii considering how big my back log is too.

Not to mention that the Wii U will be out two months later in June 2012 (I'm hoping).
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Post by: yosh on December 02, 2011, 04:26:06 PM
It will probably be the last game I buy for Wii considering how big my back log is too.

Not to mention that the Wii U will be out two months later in June 2012 (I'm hoping).


I highly doubt that. It will most likely be pushed back until November since that's holiday shopping season.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 02, 2011, 06:01:00 PM
It will probably be the last game I buy for Wii considering how big my back log is too.

Not to mention that the Wii U will be out two months later in June 2012 (I'm hoping).


I highly doubt that. It will most likely be pushed back until November since that's holiday shopping season.

probably as early as August though
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 02, 2011, 06:40:34 PM
Nintendo generally likes to launch during the holidays (who doesn't?), but this year may be different because Nintendo has a chance to get a jump on the competition and it would make sense to launch as early as possible to give Nintendo more time to dig in before the other systems appear. If they wait until the end of 2012 and if the xbox 3 and PS4 come out in 2013 then that doesn't give them much of a head start, but launching in June would give them a few more months and that can make all the difference.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2011, 07:00:29 PM
I would hope that Sept would be the latest they will launch. (9/16 or 9/23, both on a Sunday)

That will allow them to get the "Day1"ers out of the way, build up word of mouth, get the initial batch of launch titles out of the way and prepare for the holidays with a huge restock and big holiday titles.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 02, 2011, 07:29:51 PM
June would be perfect because it would be right after E3 so there would be a lot of hype to propel the sales forward.
Title: Wii U Specs: 768MB of eDRAM & 3Ghz QCore PPC?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2011, 07:31:16 PM
I call BS on this... as I'm not even sure it's possible (financially mostly).
http://wiiudaily.com/2011/12/wii-u-has-quad-core-3ghz-cpu-768-mb-of-ram/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2011/12/wii-u-has-quad-core-3ghz-cpu-768-mb-of-ram/)
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According to the source, the Wii U specs are:

Quad Core, 3 GHz PowerPC-based 45nm CPU, very similar to the Xbox 360 chip.
768 MB of DRAM “embedded” with the CPU, and shared between CPU and GPU
Unknown, 40nm ATI-based GPU

768MB of eDRAM on the CPU....
I know several sources have stated a "metric tonne" on embedded RAM, but Good lawd that a lotta memory!

for reference, the Xbox 360 had 10MB of eDRAM
and best estimates for Wii U were around 32MB with topping out at 64MB of embedded RAM. 768MB is waaaaaay beyond any of that.

I also know that IBM said they have a new technique for embedding much more Memory than any of their competitiors, but come on. Really!? 768MB of embedded RAM, and they haven't even said if that is all the ram or not. what if there is still another 1GB of regular GDDR3 or something. But they do seem to imply that there will only be embedded RAM, so I'm not so sure the writer or the source knows exactly what they are talking about.

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The source also mentions that Nintendo has been testing two versions of the console, one with 768 MB of RAM, and one with 1 GB. The RAM is also made by IBM and is embedded with the processor on the same die/silicon, which results in more bandwidth.

These were the specs that Nintendo showed developers around March 2011, so it’s unknown how close to the final specs these are, considering there’s a year until the console is scheduled for release.

But if there is that much embedded RAM and there is still an regular pool of ram ontop of that.. then.. then.. well, let's just say that Nintendo will hopefully make E3 2012 one to never forget.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 02, 2011, 07:32:37 PM
Hey BNM, I already posted that. Same link and everything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2011, 07:44:03 PM
The question that needs to be answered before this rumor can be taken seriously is, how much would it cost, using IBM's new embedding process, to include 768MB of eDRAM on the CPU?

if it was too expensive before to include more than a few MB on the chip, what was the major game changing breakthru that IBM had?

I think the Wii had 3MB 1T-SRAM
the Xbox360 had 10MB eDRAM

The Wii U will have 76.8x the amount of embedded RAM as the previous generation and all the sources around the net that have seen dev kits haven't said anything about having that much embedded DRAM?

I don't know how reliable forum sources are, but from what I've heard, these are the Wii U specs:

TriCore Power based CPU (2 thread per core) <possible asymmetrical core power>
"atleast" 1GB of RAM (as there are atleast 2GB's in the Dev kits)
(there was no eDRAM in the dev kit as far as the source knew)
dev kit GPU was a RV770LE that had 640+SPU's (360 has 240SPU's as a power reference)

so I'm not sure what to make of this new rumor as it goes directly against what I've been hearing and what has been repeated as fact by forum sources that have seen, or know someone that has a devkit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2011, 07:53:55 PM
Since i brought up the IBM process, I wanted to point this out.

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/32970.wss (http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/32970.wss)
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IBM's embedded DRAM technology provides the most dense on-chip dynamic memory available today, enabling more than 1Gb of memory on a single chip. IBM eDRAM performance has advanced to a point where it can replace conventional on-chip static memory (SRAM) in many applications, taking up 60% less space on the chip, and consuming up to 90% less power.

Remember that 1Gb = 1 Gigabit = 128MB

So I think something was lost in translation here.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 02, 2011, 08:11:28 PM
So then let's say it's actually 768 Megabits. That would be much more in line with this tech, but still nearly ten times the 360 at 96 MB.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 02, 2011, 08:14:11 PM
Keep in mind Moore's Law...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2011, 08:15:59 PM
So then let's say it's actually 768 Megabits. That would be much more in line with this tech, but still nearly ten times the 360 at 96 MB.
That would make much more sense as the frame buffer for a 1080p image plus 2 or more uPads @ 480p are gonna need the additional eDRAM.

768MB of eDRAM just sounds ridiculous regardless of how awesome it would be for Nintendo to harness some dark IBM magic should it have actually existed.


Keep in mind Moore's Law...

96MB-128MB eDRAM would fall into Moore's Law* if we use the 360's 10MB eDram as a base

2005 - 10MB
2006
2007 - 20MB
2008
2009 - 40MB
2010
2011 - 80MB
2012 - 120MB


*
Quote from: wiki
Moore's law describes a long-term trend in the history of computing hardware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computing_hardware): the number of transistors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor) that can be placed inexpensively on an integrated circuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit) doubles approximately every two years.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 02, 2011, 08:26:10 PM
Yeah, based on Moore's law it's about right where it should be, maybe a little bit under, assuming they're going for next-gen and not just PS360 1.5.
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Post by: MegaByte on December 02, 2011, 08:30:48 PM
Don't forget that IBM is only using 45nm tech for the Wii U. Moore's law is a consequence of a decrease in transistor size. The Xbox 360 started at 90nm, went to 65nm, and then to 45nm with the 360 S. The Wii U isn't going to continue the die shrink, so you can't expect the full range of Moore's law to take effect here.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 03, 2011, 01:35:06 AM
As long as we are all in consensus that something is very wrong about this rumor.

768MB is more likely 768Mb (96MB) if it's embedded as is repeated several times
and if they do end up upping it to 1Gigabit as the IBM PR says they are capable of, then that really means 128MB+, not 1 GigaBYTE of embedded RAM. that is just absurdly expensive in both price and space.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on December 03, 2011, 01:43:26 AM
yeah this news seems like its mainly on the cpu. So its likely in Megabits. So its still up in the air what type of ram it will have and how powerful the gpu will be. This seems pretty right.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 03, 2011, 12:50:22 PM
Because this rumor just sounded crazy and no one was even sure if it was possible physically or financially, I went to see what kind of tech IBM could use to even make such a rumor plausible.

I'm no computer scientist and not really a techie either, but I did manage to come across this
10 IBM Breakthrus in the last Decade (It' s from 1997 - 2007)
http://www.ibm.com/ibm/ideasfromibm/us/chips/102207/index.shtml
But only really pay attention to those since 2007 (the last 4)

High K - new material that means smaller, more efficient and less power hungry chips
EDRAM - new RAM type to replace the SRAM on die. They c an now fit more than 3X the amount in the same space
3D Chip Stacking - using a silicon glue IBM can stack the chips on top of each other for more power and less power usage
Airgap Tech - Nanotech that provides for better cooling to allow better chip efficiency and less power usage.

I didn't find anything that listed other break throughs since then as plainly listed as that, but even combining those 4 techs, is it possible to stack the RAM on the chip to reach 768MB of eDRAM or would that no longer be considered "embedded"?
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Post by: Ceric on December 03, 2011, 01:21:56 PM
Anyone remember the slot chips from the late 90's they were huge.  The point being that physical size really isn't a real design limitation with a fully custom system. 
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Post by: MegaByte on December 03, 2011, 01:30:09 PM
High K and eDRAM have been used for a while. eDRAM and 1-T SRAM (which is actually DRAM) that Nintendo already uses are basically the same thing. I think chip stacking/channel cooling would be what would be necessary to achieve that density... and so far nothing is using it to that extent. At 45nm, IBM is actually pretty far behind state of the art when it comes to density. It's far more plausible that the RAM is in the same package, but not on the same die.

Anyone remember the slot chips from the late 90's they were huge.  The point being that physical size really isn't a real design limitation with a fully custom system. 
Yes it is. The larger the chip is, the less you can make and the more chance there is for a defect, meaning even less that are usable.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 03, 2011, 03:41:28 PM
The Wii U should go with isolinear chips, like those used on Star Trek.

(http://scienceblogs.com/isisthescientist/isolinear%20chips.jpg)
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Post by: MegaByte on December 05, 2011, 06:34:21 PM
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/12/ibm-racetrack/
There's a conference this week covering the upcoming memory technologies, including the 3D stacking and much cooler stuff, though if it's showing up there, that implies that it's not ready for commercialization yet.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 05, 2011, 07:13:52 PM
But maybe it will be by mid next year....

just maybe. Hopefully mid next year isn't too late to mass produce it though.
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Post by: MegaByte on December 05, 2011, 07:17:02 PM
Very little chance.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 05, 2011, 08:14:21 PM
WiiU officially from the future! You heard it here first, folks.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 06, 2011, 05:12:56 PM
The Wii U will probably just barely miss that boat. Sadly, the competition will have plenty of time to cash in on it...
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Post by: Enner on December 06, 2011, 06:18:45 PM
Ah, 768 megabits of eDRAM sounds much more plausible than 768 megabytes.

While it would be cool if Nintendo made one of the first consumer products to use those new chip technologies, it just doesn't seem to fit their style.
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Post by: Kytim89 on December 11, 2011, 02:27:12 PM
Club Nintendo points used to buy Virtual Console and Wiiware games? If so, call me excited:
 
http://kotaku.com/5866899/club-nintendo-coins-will-soon-buy-virtual-console-games (http://kotaku.com/5866899/club-nintendo-coins-will-soon-buy-virtual-console-games)
 
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NeoGAF user Spike took that screenshot before the news was taken down. In addition to the VC Super Mario Kart and the 3D Classic Xevious, the WiiWare title Fluidity and the DSiWare title Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Minis March Again! were also touted at values ranging from 100 to 150 coins. The selection will be chosen based on member feedback, and will include a "surprise selection" each month.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 11, 2011, 02:50:39 PM
Start of convo in other thread:
CN just got a redesign for North America - and a Zelda poster set - AND DOWNLOAD GAMES.

3D Classics Xevious, Mario Kart and Fluidity are on the list, the selection changes monthly. Notice they put download code support in the 3DS update? This is probably why.

Photo evidence:
I've been to the site, but I have yet to see this:

(http://i.imgur.com/TAgav.jpg)

it seems to cheap to be legit though. But I an't complaining.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on December 16, 2011, 01:07:06 PM
So the site that first revealed Project Cafe aka WiiU has come back with a doozy. Get your salt licks ready, folks.

http://www.01net.com/editorial/537862/nintendo-l-and-039-envers-du-decor-confidences-d-and-039-un-employe-de-big-n/

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We are lucky to count among our –mostly anonymous - sources several foreign correspondants, some of them at key positions in the global gaming industry. We owe them, among other things, our early coverage of the Playstation Vita and Wii U hardware. One of them, who happens to be one of the very few Nintendo employees to dare break the code of silence, recently gave us a sobering account of the state of affairs inside the Big N structure.    More than any other sector, beit the music, motion picture, luxury or automotive industry, gaming is synonymous with emotional attachment to brands, devices and companies. And among all studios, publishers and makers, Nintendo enjoys by far the most sincere and dedicated following. Its logo, its many characters and IPs, its leading figures, like Shigeru Miyamoto, are the object of passionate scrutiny all around the world.
   01net. writers are true Nintendo fans. One of us, William Audureau, recently published one of the most careful studies ever about the company’s most celebrated character (in French only so far). Our source has lived for, and eventually thanks to Nintendo, for most of his/her life. What s/he told us sounds like a wake-up call, inspired by the many troubles threatening the institution to which s/he has dedicated his/her life. For the same reasons, we decided to publish this information, as a five-part series running all week.
Part 1/5
3DS: the early bird who couldn’t catch the worm
We have known for a long time that the 3DS had been launched early to undercut the mobile industry, and the upcoming next-gen Playstation Portable. But this rushed release, probably partially responsible for its technical limitations and a disappointing battery life (when compared to past performance), will eventually have much graver and far-ranging consequences.

 
Ooops… I think we forgot something
It’s a mistake beyond belief, but Nintendo honchos finally had to admit, after the 3DS went through the mass production and release stage, that they had made a terrible omission: a right analog stick was a requirement to provide a superior gaming experience. According to our source, right as you read those lines, Nintendo engineers are spending many sleepless nights working on an additional device, which should be sold separately for about 10 dollars. Its shape and fixation mechanism are still unknown, but it needs a tight grip on the right part of the console. Will it have to be removed everytime you want to close the 3DS?

 
Feeling the pressure
Very recently, Nintendo asked a select group of developers to create titles specifically designed for two analog controls… even if that will entail an additional cost of 10 dollars per console to be played on currently available hardware. Although such noises rarely if ever reach the higher strata of the company, most Nintendo employees working with third-party developers are indeed feeling the heat, as disgruntled studios and publishers become more vocal in their disappointment.

 
Developers stand in line
Third-party support is key to the 3DS’s potentiel success. Only they can enrich the software line-up,
suffering so far from a relatively low volume of fresh titles, which makes Nintendo’s ongoing policy towards developers all the less coherent. The submission and approval process is described as very costly, time-consuming and often arbitrary in nature. Worse even, dev kits are still extremely scarce. Although no longer produced by Intelligent Systems – Nintendo’s hardware R&D arm – but outsourced to Tokyo Electric and Marubeni, dev kits are still produced at a ridiculously slow pace (300 units per month), and sold for a hefty price. As a consequence, even six months after the release, the waiting lists are getting more crowded, and many studios are still waiting for a chance to develop on the 3DS. This erratic situation is described by our source as a good example of serious management mishaps inside the Big N, that act as an impediment to developer relations and hardware adoption by consumers.

 
What you can’t see…
According to our source, Nintendo is well aware that it has so far failed to convince the public that its 3D display technology was harmless. Many parents are refraining from buying the console for fear of adverse effects to their children’s eyesight. This innovative “glasses-free” 3D display technology, the console’s main selling point, could well prove a major stumbling block. The advertising issue, despite a vast deployment of demo units at the point of sale level, remains: how do you sell something you can’t show? In the wake of the early price-slashing and “3DS ambassadors” (20 free VC games) program announcements, Iwata’s welcoming of 2D (totally free of 3D content) games on the platform smells like capitulation.
This information corroborates several elements we obtained very recently from various sources. According to them, Nintendo is currently preparing a new 3DS for a 2012 release. This new version would radically tone down the whole “3D“ angle, with a new design and even probably a different name. In that perspective, the radical price-slashing, touted as a measure to boost sales, would also be a way to liquidate current stocks to make way for the sucessor…

 
There’s a war raging on out there…
 Some of the problems alluded to by our source could find a happy resolution, but let’s not forget the unrelentless assaults from the mobile industry, with its breathtaking race to the heights of computing power. Phone makers, like LG with its Optimus 3D smartphone, are even coming up with their own “glasses-free” 3D displays. If John Carmack’s predictions – of smartphones outgunning current last-gen home consoles in “a very short time” – ever came true, the 3DS’s future could seem bleak at best… but let’s not forget there’s always the next brand new Pokémon around the corner!

 
Copyright 01net – 2011
Just thought I'd relink this page as the circle pad came true.  So it is very likely they are correct about the 3DS redesign in 2012. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 16, 2011, 01:15:51 PM
Even if a redesign is planned, I wouldn't expect them to announce it until around TGS of 2012.
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Post by: Ymeegod on December 16, 2011, 01:36:20 PM
TGS is in the fall?  i expect to see it at E3 myself.  I'm expecting they are going target the battery issue and have the dual analog as a complete system.

Also expect them to release it at current prices with the orginal 3ds dropping to $130-150 range.

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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2011, 01:51:53 PM
Since the CCP is just an optional add-on (and from all we have seen, that is all it will ever be), I don't see it being put into the system itself (and it doesn't make the 3DS a complete system, it already is complete).
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Post by: Adrock on December 16, 2011, 01:54:50 PM
DS Lite was released about a year and a half after DS launched. I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened with 3DS especially with all of the handheld's shortcomings though Nintendo may not want to launch a 3DS revision at the same time as Wii U.

And the inevitable 3DS revision will absolutely have the right circle pad.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2011, 01:59:52 PM
I have to disagree, unless a game gets announced before E3 2012 that REQUIRES the CCP to be used, I don't think it will be included with the system itself since it would be an unnecessary added expense for Nintendo.
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Post by: Adrock on December 16, 2011, 02:11:49 PM
Making a Circle Pad add-on specifically for the revision would cost Nintendo even more.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2011, 02:17:02 PM
Not really, and they could make money by selling them (assuming a 3DS redesign would change it in such a way that the CPP couldn't fit it).
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Post by: King of Twitch on December 16, 2011, 02:22:04 PM
OMG what if the CPP could plug into the revised 3DS? TRIFORCE CIRCLE PADS.
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Post by: Adrock on December 16, 2011, 02:33:38 PM
Not really, and they could make money by selling them (assuming a 3DS redesign would change it in such a way that the CPP couldn't fit it).
It's not much of a revision if it's the same size.

I think it's more likely that Nintendo builds the right circle pad in and never/rarely uses it themselves. This isn't even about streamlining the process for consumers. It's so much less of a hassle for Nintendo. They don't need the extra materials, assembly lines, shipping, marketing, shelf space etc.

And why stop at 3 circle pads? There should be at least 5 or 6.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 16, 2011, 03:15:52 PM
TGS is in the fall?  i expect to see it at E3 myself.  I'm expecting they are going target the battery issue and have the dual analog as a complete system.

Also expect them to release it at current prices with the orginal 3ds dropping to $130-150 range.

Only problem is that they aren't gonna reveal it until they are just about to release it. And since the will probably want to save it for the holiday season, they won't announce it at E3 and then have people not buy 3DS's for the next 3-4 months while they wait for a revision.
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Post by: Ceric on December 16, 2011, 03:41:15 PM
I doubt Nintendo would want to split its message with the Wii U coming out.  The New Nintendo Product should be the Wii U.  Not a 3DS Revision.
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Post by: Ymeegod on December 16, 2011, 04:19:18 PM
Well you could play FPS on the 3ds by having the circle pad act as free aim and the touch screen as an directional pad but the reason for the second analog stick is for those of us that perfer to use what we are already familar with.  Two, not sure how many people can reach the touch screen without hand replacements?  Me, my giant hands have no trouble reaching the any part of the screen but if you have Japanese small features you wouldn't be able to do that all that well. 
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Post by: Lithium on December 16, 2011, 04:26:36 PM
I doubt Nintendo would want to split its message with the Wii U coming out.  The New Nintendo Product should be the Wii U.  Not a 3DS Revision.
agreed. I would be very surprised if the 3ds revision comes out in 2012. 2013 seems more likely.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 16, 2011, 04:39:49 PM
If they wanted to wait till after the holiday season (after Xmas present return time window has expired) then we wouldn't hear about it until CES in January.

But either way, announcement/reveal to release will be a very short period of time and I doubt it will be right after E3.
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Post by: Stogi on December 16, 2011, 04:49:48 PM
I could see them showing a revision at GDC then launching it in March.
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Post by: MegaByte on December 16, 2011, 04:51:32 PM
GDC would be a likely choice, but I don't know if they'd make a move that quickly since sales have picked up significantly, and it's doing much better than the DS was.
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Post by: Ceric on December 16, 2011, 04:52:10 PM
If the Wii U launches 2012 Holiday I don't see a 3DS revision be promoted til 2013 and released after April.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 16, 2011, 05:06:36 PM
GDC would be a likely choice, but I don't know if they'd make a move that quickly since sales have picked up significantly, and it's doing much better than the DS was.

I think Stogi was talking about GDC 2013. If not, that's what I'd predict.
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Post by: Ymeegod on December 16, 2011, 05:27:28 PM
The DS lite and the WII released the same year and it didn't effect anything.  Also since nintendo continues to say no to multiple tablets for the WII U doesn't mean it can't have one tablet with multiple 3DS hook up.  The only difference (after you install the 2nd circle pad) would be the resolution.  Again I bet to see a couple of games using that method at e3 as well.
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Post by: Adrock on December 16, 2011, 06:06:04 PM
Wii and DS Lite launched 6 months apart. I think the concern is releasing a 3DS revision and Wii U within 2-3 months of each other or even sooner. I can see that being a problem. I certainly couldn't take the financial hit by getting both within such a short period of time. I probably couldn't pull that off in 6 months but that's far more likely. Back in 2006, I bought both DS Lite and Wii but I don't live my parents anymore so...
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2011, 07:38:48 PM
8 months apart.
I don't see a revision coming out earlier than 2013 either, the system just recently started picking up steam and is selling better than DS did at this same point in its lifespan.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 16, 2011, 08:22:03 PM
I think it's very likely that at the time of the rumor Nintendo was planning a 3DS revision for 2012, but sales have picked up quite a bit since then and unless they really drop off it would make sense for them to reconsider that.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 16, 2011, 08:37:24 PM
GBA and GameCube launched five months apart, in the US at least. And that wasn't even a revision.

What would a 3DS revision add if not a second slide pad and two more shoulder buttons? Unlike with the original DS, the 3DS doesn't need a change of form.

I don't think a better battery would require a revision, let alone be reason enough for most people to buy a whole new system just for that. The manual for the 3DS describes how to replace the battery, so it's something that can be done by the user easily enough were Nintendo to release a stand-alone battery with longer charge life.
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Post by: MegaByte on December 16, 2011, 08:41:59 PM
I think it would be screens/chips that use less power rather than just a better battery (and hopefully reorganizing the interior so that a bigger battery would fit without a form factor change). Of course, the 3DS is uncomfortable to hold, so there is room for improvement on the form factor front.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 16, 2011, 08:45:55 PM
How can they make it more comfortable without increasing its size and therefore reducing portability? I mean, people say even with the Circle Pad Pro it still isn't very comfortable, and that thing's huge. Other than turning it into a shape of a home system controller, with grips and everything, I don't see a way of increasing the comfort. Though to be fair, I've never used a handheld device I thought was anything other than extremely uncomfortable, so clearly they don't suit my preferences.
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Post by: Kytim89 on December 16, 2011, 09:00:48 PM
I do not own a 3DS, but here are some ideas for the revision:
 
A smaller circle pad on the right side of the console below the buttons.
A matte finish to reduce dust attraction and finger print accumulation.
Stronger should buttons and hinges.
A bigger top screen to better accomodate stereoscopic 3D.
Better speakers.
And most of all, a better battery that doubles the current battery life of the console.
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Post by: Adrock on December 16, 2011, 09:51:34 PM
8 months apart.
In Japan. It was closer to 5 months (June 11 to November 19) in the US which was what I was referring to since I specifically mentioned buying a DS Lite and Wii in 2006. I did buy them about 6 months apart because I bought DS Lite the day it launched and I was on the Wii waiting list at Gamecrazy for 2-3 weeks.
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Post by: MegaByte on December 16, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
How can they make it more comfortable without increasing its size and therefore reducing portability?
I don't know that they can much. The Wii U controller is very comfortable, and I remember the original Game Boy being pretty comfortable. My 3DS is a lot more comfortable than it would be because I have a higher capacity battery. The commonality is that they are all thicker. If they could make the top screen thinner, they could make the bottom thicker. And if they could figure out how to move the controls up a bit more from the bottom, that would help.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 17, 2011, 04:17:54 AM
I have to disagree, unless a game gets announced before E3 2012 that REQUIRES the CCP to be used, I don't think it will be included with the system itself since it would be an unnecessary added expense for Nintendo.

You can disagree all you want, but it will happen. I'd bet you money on it because I know it will happen.

Half of that rumor has already happened, so there's no reason to doubt the other half. Plus even without the rumor it just makes sense.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 17, 2011, 04:45:24 AM
No it doesn't. Because now all you've divided your install base. You've got people with the revised system that has 4 shoulder buttons (like the CCP) as well as dual analogue, people who got the CCP and those that didn't. The first two groups might be fine if the second can tolerate now having to have CCP because developers might assume everyone has the features. Then there's the last group who is basically going to be forced to either use the attachment or buy a new system. Some might just say **** it and be done with the whole thing.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 17, 2011, 05:05:11 AM
It doesn't divide the install base. Whoever has the old 3DS model can upgrade their system with the attachment and it becomes exactly the same in functionality as the revision. The only difference is it will look uglier and require a battery, but in every functional way it is identical.
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Post by: Ymeegod on December 17, 2011, 05:21:18 AM
Most games that are going require the addon will have it bundled I'm guessing.  As for making it larger, not really--the reason the addon is so bulky is because it was an afterthought.  If they do it right it should be only slighter larger than it is now and maybe a tad thicker but they can easily get double the battery life and have the circle pad with extra triggers as default.  The 3DS has a tiny 1350 battery but 2500ohms ones are just a few cents more to make and would just about double your play time (6-10hrs compared to 3-5 standard). 

Right now there's alot of negatives about the addon, for one it blocks your port for your games, so you have to take it apart each time you want to switch?  Hell it even blocks the stylus hideaway.  Not to mention is doesn't fit 3DS's other addon like battery packs.  Not sure if it's going be revised but as it stands now it's not very ideal for most.  It's also ugly as sin and only comes in one color which doesn't even match the 3DS Black Matel finish. 

Two, Sony Vita is set to release next year and so an reversion of the 3ds would be make both systems "fresh" so to speak.   
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Post by: ThePerm on December 17, 2011, 05:24:16 AM
It doesn't divide the install base. Whoever has the old 3DS model can upgrade their system with the attachment and it becomes exactly the same in functionality as the revision. The only difference is it will look uglier and require a battery, but in every functional way it is identical.

yeah as long as the attachment is available this is  true. There are Motion+ controllers with motion+ built in, and then there are separate attachments that add motion+, and that hasn't had a negative effect on the base. The 3ds is going to need a revision sometime in its lifetime too boost sales anyhow. So, there it is. Nintendo did it a bunch with the original DS. You got DS phat, ds lite, dsi , dsi XL.

also, those complaining about asymetic gameplay wont be able to if 3ds+ has an extra joystick, and unlike the Wii u remote the 3ds has some power behind it, so it doesn't just download the video from the Wii U, all it needs to do is download level data from big brother and approximate the graphics.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on December 17, 2011, 10:39:38 PM
How many games use Motion+? Not very many at all? A lot of the games that do had to come with the damn thing at least at first. The good part was that if you had multiple WiiMotes (which was highly likely) then you could use the extra WM+s. The problem is that if games come out for the CPP, you either need to cough up the $20 or wait for a bundle. Games that require the CPP will practically have to have a bundle option for at least a while, and having extras helps nobody except maybe UncleBob.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 17, 2011, 11:01:25 PM
The thing is, I don't know if any game will ever straight-up require the CPP. The Motion+ did things that weren't at all possible with the standard remote, but a second analog can be made to work, if awkwardly, with the touch screen or some other method. There will be games that really should be played with a CPP, but they'll always offer an option to play without it.

Think Classic Controller, not Motion+.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 18, 2011, 05:13:22 AM
need to cough up the $20

Not a huge hurdle. And some games did offer bundles with it (Goldeneye, for example).

But I wish Nintendo had bundled the classic controller with the Wii console so everyone would have it at purchase. If they had done that more games would have made use of it more. I think they left it out deliberately so as to encourage/force developers to shoehorn the gimmicky motion control into their games even if it didn't make sense. Had the CC been bundled with the console developers might have been more inclined to develop traditional games on the Wii.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 18, 2011, 05:36:31 AM
I think they left it out deliberately so as to encourage/force developers to shoehorn the gimmicky motion control into their games even if it didn't make sense.

That's most likely exactly what they did. At the time they had good reason to worry that if the CC came bundled a lot of developers wouldn't even bother trying to use motion control. If Nintendo had known how popular motion control would be I think they probably would have included a classic controller, but if Nintendo really had known that I'm pretty sure the Wii would be a radically different console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on December 27, 2011, 04:56:52 PM
One thing Nintendo could do for 3DS owners before making a hardware revision would be to make a better battery for the current 3DS, sell it off their webiste, or at Gamestop, and then allow the owner of each system to switch out the battery for a better one.
Title: Real Wii U App Store!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2011, 08:10:45 PM
Nintendo building a full on App Store for Wii U!?
let's all hope Nintendo is finally ready to dive in headfirst into the deep end. No more baby steps.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/29/122911-tech-gaming-wii-appstore/ (http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/29/122911-tech-gaming-wii-appstore/)
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Nintendo stealthily building app store for its next-gen console

Nintendo’s next game console, the Wii U, is months away from launch, but its touchscreen controller is already turning heads — and The Daily has learned that Nintendo plans to implement a full-blown app store for the system.

Nintendo currently maintains repositories that act as “light” app stores: The DSi Shop for its portables, and the Wii Shop for its current console. Most of its apps are games and basic utilities like Mario Calculator. The Wii U’s as-yet-unnamed store will go far beyond this, proffering a wider variety of apps, said a person familiar with the matter.

Wii U owners will be able to use apps that operate on the Wii U itself, such as MLB.TV, and others that run independently on the Wii U’s controller. Given its tablet-like design and 6.2-inch screen, it’s not hard to imagine being able to check email, browse the Web, post to social networks and even get some gaming in.

It’s unknown whether Nintendo plans to monetize its app store with a points system, which it currently uses for WiiWare and DSiWare, or with a more Apple-like pay-to-play system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 29, 2011, 08:18:54 PM
That article, or at least the part you quoted, completely ignores the eShop, only mentioning the DSi Shop on the handheld side, leading me to believe it's either out of date or written by someone who doesn't have any idea what they're talking about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on December 29, 2011, 10:07:29 PM
Man I love being excited for Nintendo! The weight of the world and past Nintendo short comings haven't crushed my spirit yet!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on December 29, 2011, 10:24:34 PM
That article, or at least the part you quoted, completely ignores the eShop, only mentioning the DSi Shop on the handheld side, leading me to believe it's either out of date or written by someone who doesn't have any idea what they're talking about.

True, but the eShop only has like 4 3DS apps, the rest are DSi apps.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on December 29, 2011, 10:36:29 PM
Man I love being excited for Nintendo! The weight of the world and past Nintendo short comings haven't crushed my spirit yet!

Manage your expectations.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 29, 2011, 11:41:27 PM
It would be great if the Wii U had apps like Quicken so people could do their taxes on it, or Office suite programs that would allow them to do spreadsheets and things like that. The hardware itself is certainly more than powerful enough to pull it off, and it would be a great thing for those who don't yet have a computer (they are out there).

Oh yeah, and who could forget a Mario Paint app? Make it simple enough so anyone can play with it and have fun, but allow enough complex features so it can be a competitor to Photoshop. As long as it allows file formats to be exported to SD or uploaded online then it will be awesome. The tablet controller is perfectly suited for this, so no extra peripheral would be required, but I suppose they could allow a USB mouse to be used.
Title: EPIC Mickey 2 - Fall 2012 (Multi-plat & Co-op)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2011, 02:16:08 AM
Apparently Disney accidentally released a newsletter that confirmed the existence of Epic Mickey 2.

Multi-platform, co-op, Fall 2012 release.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/12/29/rumor-co-op-multi-console-epic-mickey-2-to-release-next-year.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/12/29/rumor-co-op-multi-console-epic-mickey-2-to-release-next-year.aspx)
Title: Re: EPIC Mickey 2 - Fall 2012 (Multi-plat & Co-op)
Post by: broodwars on December 30, 2011, 02:29:09 AM
Apparently Disney accidentally released a newsletter that confirmed the existence of Epic Mickey 2.

Multi-platform, co-op, Fall 2012 release.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/12/29/rumor-co-op-multi-console-epic-mickey-2-to-release-next-year.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/12/29/rumor-co-op-multi-console-epic-mickey-2-to-release-next-year.aspx)

If this "rumor" turns out to be true, I'll be hesitantly excited.  The original Epic Mickey was an incredibly flawed game that never really delivered on its promises (but still managed to be a decent game IMO), but there is still so much potential in that concept.  I'd love to see a talented development team take another crack at it and get it right this time, especially with hardware that can actually render the look of the concept art.  Maybe we could get an actual moral choice system that affected more than collectable trinkets and 2 seconds of footage in the ending, which would also actually be affected by your choices this time.

Unfortunately, this is Disney we're talking about.  Aside from Split/Second (a game sabotaged by Disney with little marketing and mind-bogglingly bad release timing, which in turn destroyed the studio), I can't think of the last truly-great game to come out of one of their studios.  I have a sinking feeling that Disney does not want to put the resources and time necessary to make a stellar sequel, especially since they saw with the first game that even a mediocre product could sell very well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2011, 02:40:55 AM
I own but never played the original, but maybe they can realize their original vision using the uTab this time around as a canvas much like the touch screen works in Swapnote for the upper screen in real-time.

I can only assume that since they are supposedly making a PS360 version, there will also be a Wii U version based on those assets too. Would make a great launch title IMO.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on December 30, 2011, 11:08:37 AM
I kind of got the impression that Disney made Warren Spector change the story because early interviews with Spector made it sound like Oswald was supposed to be much more antagonistic than he ended up being, like he was supposed to have a broader curve to being Mickey's ally. That's troubling if true because people who don't know anything about game design and possibly storytelling are interfering in and affecting the development process. In that case, the original vision is ruined no matter what console the game lands on.

Also, I'm not especially excited about a Wii U app store, mostly because I don't use apps often and can do much more on my MacBook Pro if necessary. It's not a bad idea if Nintendo goes all in but personally, I can take it or leave it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2011, 12:37:01 PM
Well, if they go "all in" on apps, then it's hopeful that they are going "all in" on online and every other feature that the machine is technically capable of (such as  DVD/Bluray playback that can be streamed to the controller ;) )

Maybe they will allow lots of 3rd party apps or skins and other such personal customizations to the UI to make your Wii U look extremely unique or do things Nintendo never even considered or intended to make (such as a Universal Remote App w/ Channel Guide or PC Media streaming).
How about an app that allows Region Free gaming? No need to hack your system and possibly void your warranty!

So many possibilities open up if Nintendo allows a full on App store in the likes of Android Market (with more control) instead of the occasional Mario clock app or Pikmin calendar.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on December 30, 2011, 01:12:54 PM

Manage your expectations.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2011, 01:51:37 PM

 no

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2011, 04:40:38 PM

 no


Wow. From 8 years ago?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2011, 04:43:45 PM
I wouldn't gone further back, but that was from my first post on the new forums.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 30, 2011, 07:01:44 PM
I don't think this App store is actually an App store like Apples. 

Remember the Tablet isn't going to be storing games on it, it can't be a portable gaming system.  So, I believe this App Store is closer to Xbox market place, Playstation store, and Nintendo Ware.

This was reported in a newspaper which the writer probably doesn't understand the gaming market...doesn't really know what the Wii U Tablet is.  He probably looks at it as another tablet entering the market. 

So my expectations are Nintendo is planning on launching the Wii U with a market place to mostly download games and probably a few cool apps that will work with the Tablet...but nothing much else.  Actually, my biggest desire is for Nintendo to take the Virtual Console market and the Wiiware games and bring everything over to the Wii U.  And allow us to transfer our purchases. 

Then perhaps we can see Nintendo launching more VC games and get the Wiiware games back and perhaps get many of the awesome download games that we missed last generation that Xbox and PS got.  That in itself would help the Wii U have a pretty strong launch lineup.  Imagine launching the Wii U with 3-5 most requested Virtual Console games plus some new Wiiware games, plus 2-3 Nintendo first party Wii U games...plus the 3-4 third party games that always come at launch. 

That would be a killer lineup. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2011, 08:47:05 PM
Maybe at some point in the future Nintendo will revise the Tablet controller to allow it to store games and be usable as a portable gaming system. It can't be done now because of cost considerations, but in the future when the costs come down I can see this happening. Its just like how Motion Plus wasn't included in the Wiimote because it was too expensive at first, but later on the costs came down and Nintendo revised it. So there's no reason not to think it couldn't happen again with the tablet controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2011, 08:59:29 PM
The tablet is a dumb terminal meaning it doesn't really do any heavy processing of anything, that is all handled by the Wii U and then magically beamed over to the tablet (technology is magical).

But I do hope they opt for an SD card slot in the tablet if they intend for us to travel with this thing to a friends house so that we can bring our saves, Mii's, and even our apps/games with us to share with a friend while visiting.


edit: and I think I found what you are looking for:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/27/jxd-releases-s7100-android-based-gaming-tablet-manages-to-steal/
(http://i.imgur.com/AbIEX.png)
[size=78%]http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzM1MDY5MDA0.html (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzM1MDY5MDA0.html)[/size]

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on December 30, 2011, 10:36:56 PM
Sure you won't need "google maps" or something like that but there's plenty of other apps that can used around the house.  Me, I'm looking forward to any "kitchen aid" like the Professional Cooking DS software, home "fix-it" guide, even some self improvement stuff. 

Not everyone has an tablet so there is basically a "free" one that comes with the console.  As long as the apps prices are similar to the apple/amazon/droid stores then it'll work for me. 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2011, 10:46:13 PM
The tablet is a dumb terminal meaning it doesn't really do any heavy processing of anything, that is all handled by the Wii U and then magically beamed over to the tablet (technology is magical).

Yeah, for now. That is something that could be changed in a future tablet revision, though. Like I said it can't happen yet because it would be too expensive, but what about when the prices come down? I foresee a great convergence at some point where the 3DS and Wii U controller end up being one and the same.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2011, 11:06:59 PM
3DTabS

another fork in the Nintendo handheld strategy.

GB - currently retired
3/DS - currently on hold
3DTabS - the FUTURE!!! (yr2015)

a portable gaming tablet sporting a 3D 7" resistive 1024x768 touch screen. 1.5MB RAM w/ 16GB onboard storage + 32GB SD card included. Dual Analog controlls with 2 triggers, 2 shoulders, 4 face buttons and the standrd Start, select, home buttons. 2mp Front facing & a 5mp rear facing 3D cameras. Built in sensor bar for Wii U compatibility. Full 3DS backwards compatibility. Custom Quadcore Arm CPU w/ dual 3DS GPU's & dual 2800mAh batteries all for the low low price of  $169.99

It's a possibility assuming the success of Wii U.
Might be too little too late though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on December 30, 2011, 11:30:32 PM
I suggested this beforeld release a new battery for the 3DS with more power before making a revision.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 30, 2011, 11:34:48 PM
Until the 3DS technology gets cheap enough they could always put the regular DS chips into it and give it the ability to play DS games as well as specific Wii U tab games on the go. It wouldn't be in 3D nor would it be in HD or even close to it, but its something that I think at this point is cheap enough that it could be pulled off very easily, yet it would still be lightyears ahead of the Dreamcast's VMU concept where this idea originally came about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on December 31, 2011, 12:15:50 AM
Man, if only there was an expansion port on the Wii U controller... that you could add a sort of "cpu+battery" pack to so the thing could go untethered from the console...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 31, 2011, 04:21:09 AM
@chozo
The earliest something like that would see the light of day would be right about when we start talking 3DS successor, so not until 2015 assuming all remains good on the 3DS front.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on December 31, 2011, 04:43:00 AM
Man, if only there was an expansion port on the Wii U controller... that you could add a sort of "cpu+battery" pack to so the thing could go untethered from the console...

I don't want to give Nintendo any ideas here, but look at what they did with the 3DS with the dual analog addon shell thing which interfaces with the 3DS wirelessly. In theory Nintendo could create a similar shell which could snap onto the Wii U tablet controller and this shell could have the CPU and RAM andstuff and then beam that content to the screen which it is snapped onto. I really don't think that should be done, but I guess it could be.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 31, 2011, 07:30:46 PM
But I do hope they opt for an SD card slot in the tablet if they intend for us to travel with this thing to a friends house so that we can bring our saves, Mii's, and even our apps/games with us to share with a friend while visiting.

From what I remember at E3, the Wii U tablet will have built-in flash memory for the purpose of saves and Miis.  I wouldn't count on the ability to share games, though...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 02, 2012, 03:30:14 PM
Nintendo building a full on App Store for Wii U!?
let's all hope Nintendo is finally ready to dive in headfirst into the deep end. No more baby steps.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/29/122911-tech-gaming-wii-appstore/ (http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/29/122911-tech-gaming-wii-appstore/)

Looks like Engadget is reporting on this rumor now too

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/02/nintendo-plans-improved-app-store-for-wii-u-looks-to-serve-appl/
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Unless you go through the '80s-style "becoming super cool" montage, the other app stores won't respect you. Nintendo seems to be in this mindset, as a source has stated that it's creating an app store for its upcoming Wii U controller that goes "far beyond" the online stores the company currently provides for its DSi and Wii consoles. According to The Daily, the new gaming system, which is set to launch in the second half of 2012, will be able to use apps that operate on the controller itself, much like iOS and Android-based tablets.

So now the apps will operate on the tablet... or more likely specifically for just the tablet and not be displayed on the TV.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 02, 2012, 03:33:39 PM
The original rumor said some apps would run on the Wii U controller too, so Engadget is not adding anything new. They are basically just re-writing the original rumor and posting it on their site.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on January 02, 2012, 04:36:01 PM
If Nintendo is going to put apps on the Wii U then Swap Note is a given.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 02, 2012, 04:40:11 PM
lets hope so.

it better be cross platform too.
with improvements that I will go mention in the swapnote thread >HERE< (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=36557.msg712987#msg712987).
Title: Wii U eReader & iOS Apps!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 02, 2012, 11:16:20 PM
Lets add some more meat to this rumor so that NWR might finally report it ;)

Nintendo is looking to bring eBooks, magazines and iOS content to the Wii U
http://wiiublog.com/blog/2012/1/3/rumor-nintendo-is-looking-to-bring-ebooks-magazines-and-ios.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed (http://wiiublog.com/blog/2012/1/3/rumor-nintendo-is-looking-to-bring-ebooks-magazines-and-ios.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed)
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Mike Gwilliam of Forget the Box has shared that the company a friend of his in Los Angeles works for has been approached by Nintendo and they apparently:

"...offered them assistance in porting and publishing some software from iOS to the Wii U so it can be played on the Wii U’s touchscreen controller."

There is also talk that:

"Nintendo is planning to launch a digital e-reader type service where you can download books, magazines, newspapers, comics, and other publications to your Wii U console."


This feature would also apparently extend to the 3DS, and the comparison is made that this would be similar to how the iPad and the iPhone share similar functionality. Other content that could also (supposedly) come to the platform includes strategy guide and instruction booklets for virtual console games (meaning, you'd have digital copies of the original booklets included with NES and SNES games etc).

Apparently, Nintendo is also "interested in making every single issue of Nintendo Power (from 1988 to currently) available for download to be read on the Wii U’s touchscreen controller."
(edit: Source - http://www.forgetthebox.net/mag/culture/forum-m/nintendo-e-readers.php (http://www.forgetthebox.net/mag/culture/forum-m/nintendo-e-readers.php) )

If this turns out to be true then there has to be some widespread rebuilding of confidence in Nintendo going around.
This is just the type of thing that they need to do; not limit what the tech is capable of and let it do all that it is capable of.

MS & Sony have steered the home console in the direction it was destined to evolve to and Nintendo needs to adapt to that. You want us to turn the Wii U on every day and to capture the non-gamer and gamer alike, then this is exactly the place to start.


edit: As far as the Nintendo Power thing goes, it would be nice if it was free for all ClubN members, but it would also be pretty cool if you could use points to subscribe every year. Something like 500 Coins for a year long digital subscription wouldn't be bad either.
Title: Retro's using Unreal Engine!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2012, 12:17:46 AM
Also looks like The Paul Gale Network is teasing some Wii U & 3DS news to be revealed soon.

http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2011/12/31/as-this-year-ends-paul-gale-network-has-one-last-tease-for-you-a-2012-shocker/ (http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2011/12/31/as-this-year-ends-paul-gale-network-has-one-last-tease-for-you-a-2012-shocker/)
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I do have some more stories in the pipeline for next year, and I’ll try to get one in particular out in January.  The one I have in mind is huge and should be a real crowd pleaser.  Before I share what it is though, I have to confirm a few things.  I’ll give you a couple of hints in the fashion that I did for Title Fight…shortly.  For now, know that it’s for Wii U and 3DS.  Thank you and here’s to 2012!

Hopefully it's something interesting.

and on a slightly related note, since TPGN is the one who rumored "Retro is working on something that we all want them to", here is some Retro related news.

Metroid Prime 1-3 was supposedly done using UE2 (a heavily modified version) (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31067) and they may still be using UE for Wii U. It was also rumored that the bird demo from E3 was done on UE but no one would/could confirm the engine or the developer. Could it have been Retro on UE that made the bird demo from E3? Maybe someone from NWR will ask them at the next opportunity they get.




edit: forgot to put the word "supposedly" in the news since I can't verify it
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on January 03, 2012, 01:10:46 AM
Metroid Prime used it's own engine, wasn't a modified Epic engine at all. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2012, 01:41:07 AM
How do you know? This person says they can verify in the source files, but I did edit the last post because I forgot the word "supposedly" since it hasn't been confirmed that that is true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on January 03, 2012, 01:52:15 AM
yeah, if Retro wants people to make you think it made its own engine all it has to do is make an agreement with Epic. No wonder the Metroid engine wasn't used in everything. If i remember correctly didn't Wind Waker use a middleware engine?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on January 03, 2012, 02:54:58 AM
Falls down, middleware?  Nintendo's KNOWN for it's own engines and not sharing with ANYBODY, (hense why they claim they are now "working" with developers meaning they are finally starting to open up a bit for the 3ds and WII U). 

Just becaues the used the same Maya modeling software doesn't mean much.  That's like saying everything that uses Word pad is the same :0. 

If Retro's making an new FPS-engine if nintendo would lease it for the WII U--not only would that get "exclusive" games but would also speed up developement time as well.


Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2012, 09:48:35 AM
I was under the impression that Retro Studios, like Nintendo, used their own engines. I don't know for sure or even care but that was what I always thought.

Even though i'd love to see something new from Retrp Studios, I'd be pretty happy if they were working on a new 2D Mario for the Wii U launch. I absolutely loved Super Mario 3D Land and EAD Tokyo should certainly keep making Mario games but if puting Mario im the hands of Retro Studios is what it takes to launch with Mario, I'd fully support that decision.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2012, 09:57:37 AM
All I know is that at some point Retro was having development issues where Miyamoto upended every tea table in the building and scrapped just about everything.

Now I'm not saying that they quietly licensed UE2 and then heavily modified it, but to save another year of development hell and get a product on track for release, it's possible they had to get an engine from somewhere and I haven't heard of the SM64 engine being modified for Metroid like it was for a bunch of other 3D Nintendo games (SMS, SMG/SG2 & I think Pikmin and a few more).
UE2 was popular at the time and something that the devs were probably familiar with, so it would make sense if it was something they were considering.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on January 03, 2012, 11:17:32 AM
I need NP 1-32 to get the ones I care about.  I was just thinking the other day of trying to finish my collection.

Also if they are thinking of getting iOS ports a lot of those need Multi-touch.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
Also if they are thinking of getting iOS ports a lot of those need Multi-touch.

Maybe that's a hint *wink*wink*

p.s. There are resistive multi-touch screens
Title: Sega All-Star Racing 2? Wii U
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2012, 12:15:06 PM
Sega All-Star Racing 2 on the way?
http://www.sonicstadium.org/2012/01/rumour-sonic-sega-all-stars-racing-sequelremix-in-the-works/ (http://www.sonicstadium.org/2012/01/rumour-sonic-sega-all-stars-racing-sequelremix-in-the-works/)
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We have received word from a tipster, who wishes to remain anonymous, that a new Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing game could be on the way. Our tipster recently spoke to a high ranking staff member at development studio Sumo Digital, and when queried about new projects, the developer gave the below reply.

“Now working on another title for Sega on 3DS, VITA and WiiU. [The] title we are working on is top secret but the last game we did for them was Sonic And Sega All-Star Racing, so the logical conclusion would be… ”

While the game could be a sequel to 2010′s Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing, there is also a possibility, given the platforms, that it could be a remixed version of the first game with new characters & courses specifically tailored to Wii U, 3DS & Vita. But having said that, the tipster informs us that the developer told them months ago that they will be doing no more additional work on the first game.

The Sonic Stadium has received proof of the discussion and the Sumo Digital source in question and have confirmed the authenticity of both. But, as the game has not been officially announced by SEGA and things can often change dramatically behind the scenes, we’re posting this up as rumour for now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: cubist on January 21, 2012, 03:11:48 PM
F-Zero GX2!  Quite possibly the most impressive racing game that no one bought, but it would make an awesome title on an engine with more horsepower.  Yessir!
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 21, 2012, 07:30:36 PM
F-Zero GX2!  Quite possibly the most impressive racing game that no one bought, but it would make an awesome title on an engine with more horsepower.  Yessir!

Since Vita is one of the platforms for this rumored game, we know that it is not a F-Zero game.
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Post by: Caterkiller on January 21, 2012, 10:41:56 PM
Nintendo's online equal to that of Microsoft and Sony?

http://mynintendonews.com/2012/01/21/nintendo-network-to-rival-xbox-live-and-psn/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/01/21/nintendo-network-to-rival-xbox-live-and-psn/)

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A source that wished to remain anonymous has told us that Nintendo will launch a website accessible from any web browser that will handle configuration of your Nintendo Network account for use on the Wii U or 3DS. He also stated that Nintendo Network will include many new features that haven’t been used before by Nintendo. According to his accounts: Nintendo Network = Sony PSN = Xbox Live.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2012, 11:19:56 PM
I'm trying very hard not to get my hopes up, but I want to believe.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 21, 2012, 11:24:44 PM
In order for it to be equal to PSN or Xbox Live there must be Trophy/Achievement support.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2012, 01:29:16 AM
Nintendo's online equal to that of Microsoft and Sony?

****, it needs to.
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Post by: Kairon on January 22, 2012, 04:01:25 PM
So jaded, cannot believe.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 22, 2012, 07:17:01 PM
Aside from some sort of achievement system, what do PSN and XBox Live offer that Nintendio's current online service does not?
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Post by: Shaymin on January 22, 2012, 07:30:50 PM
Exposure to racist/homophobic prepubescents?
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Post by: Adrock on January 22, 2012, 07:42:21 PM
Aside from some sort of achievement system, what do PSN and XBox Live offer that Nintendio's current online service does not?
Nintendo corrected or improved many issues with their online service on 3DS. Friend Codes are significantly less annoying now since there's only one and the friend list lets you know who is online and what they're playing. However, I believe Nintendo still doesn't allow exchanging Friend Codes or chatting with random opponents. So, say you're playing Smash Bros. with a really skilled random person, you'll never know who that is once the match is over. If you're big on the social networking aspect of online gaming, Nintendo's online service is extremely limited in that respect. Also, not every game features voice chat, let alone cross game voice chat like 360. PS3 can't cross game voice chat but Vita apparently can.

I'm sure there are more. Nintendo has made major strides and I expect this trend to continue. They should have known better to begin with but I'm willing to give them a modicum of credit for recognizing that their online platform sucked immensely and taking steps on making it better. Baby steps, but steps nonetheless.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 22, 2012, 07:54:37 PM
I actually like that the 3DS uses a friend code for the system account, because it allows two or more people to use the same name. I'm pretty sure that two XBox Live accounts cannot have the same name, though I don't know how PSN works.

There are some Wii games that let you exchange codes with strangers, and even chat with them. Call of Duty: Black Ops, for example, allows you to add the random people you come across, and everyone on your team can hear you if you're using a headset, whether or not they are on your friend list. Monster Hunter Tri also allows you to add randoms and text chat with anyone, though Wii Speak works only with people on your friend list who also have a Wii Speak. It may not be a system feature and Nintendo may not use it in their games, but there is nothing stopping third-parties from allowing these features. It would be nice if Nintendo did make them standard features of the Wii U though, so developers wouldn't have to implement them on a game-by-game basis.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2012, 08:03:07 PM
I actually like that the 3DS uses a friend code for the system account, because it allows two or more people to use the same name. I'm pretty sure that two XBox Live accounts cannot have the same name, though I don't know how PSN works.

With Steam you have an account name and a separate display name that you can change at will and, I'd assume, have multiple people with the same one.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2012, 08:03:32 PM
I dunno if this has come up yet, but with one friendcode per system, can you transfer your info (Miis, playtimes, downloads) to another system? I know on XboxLive you can log in on another Xbox, but this is something I'd like to see on WiiU. Multiple logins on a handheld would be kinda weird, but on a home console, it'd come in handy.
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Post by: Adrock on January 22, 2012, 09:21:40 PM
It may not be a system feature and Nintendo may not use it in their games, but there is nothing stopping third-parties from allowing these features. It would be nice if Nintendo did make them standard features of the Wii U though, so developers wouldn't have to implement them on a game-by-game basis.
Yeah, I didn't list anything that wasn't a standard. I think not standardizing these things is the issue. If given the choice, most 3rd parties will not put these options in their games. I think it's a shared problem. Not sure about 3DS, but the Wii was not made with these things in mind. Sure, it's possible with some resource finagling, but having to go the extra mile to include these features is something that Microsoft and Sony are not asking 3rd parties. Something has to give and Nintendo is probably going to have to be the one to fold. 3rd parties have made it clear that they can easily just not support Nintendo's home consoles. They clearly have more leverage so Nintendo is pretty much being put in a position to provide these tools to 3rd parties or get next nothing at all.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2012, 02:57:37 AM
Rocksteady Studio's (Batman AA & AC) next game is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!?
http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2012/01/22/rumor-is-rocksteady-studios-next-game-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-manhattan-crisis/
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- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Manhattan Crisis is the alleged name of the title.
- Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael, and Michelangelo are the four playable characters, each with their own varied move set and weapon of choice (sword, bo staff, sai, and nunchucku…respectively).
- Flashbacks are played as Master Splinter/Hamato Yoshi.
- Shurikens, smoke bombs, grappling hooks, and climbing foot spikes.
- Gameplay and story/stage progression similar to Batman: Arkham City.
- Classic characters such as Bebop and Rocksteady (warthog and rhinoceros), Dr. Baxter Stockman, Shredder (Oroku Saki), and Krang act as bosses and in the case of the humans-turned-mutants, you fight them in both forms throughout the story.
- The Turtle Van and Turtle Blimp will be present and with them and other gadgets, the Wii U build is expected to have touch screen controls for specific actions.
- Multiplayer is unknown.
- Graphics engine used is that of Arkham City.
- The game is expected to be more dark than slapstick, but the turtles themselves and their interactions with the Foot Clan, bosses, and story characters like April O’Neil and Casey Jones will still have comedy attached.
- Purportedly being in development for Wii U, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3.
- Careful selection of voice actors to bring the universe to life as well as Rocksteady did with their two Batman games.
- Manhattan Crisis shares a similar name to the 1991/1992 NES title, “The Manhattan Project”, but is very much its own title.

Paul Gale is very self conscience about posting rumors that might not turn out to be true.... but it's a rumor. Not so sure why he is all that worried about it if he stated that it's just a rumor (but he sort of obsesses over it).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2012, 03:07:39 AM
another rumor that has been floating around for about a week now just got a little juicier.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1614288&postcount=406 (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1614288&postcount=406)
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Final devkits are out, and rumor has it they differ quite a bit from earlier kits. Supposedly more powerful than anticipated, too.

Makes me want to believe that IBM got the CPU down to 28/32nm and that AMD got the GPU down to the same size.
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Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2012, 08:12:31 AM
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- Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael, and Michelangelo are the four playable characters, each with their own varied move set and weapon of choice (sword, bo staff, sai, and nunchucku…respectively)
No Venus De Milo?! This is bullshit.
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Post by: bustin98 on January 23, 2012, 10:17:55 AM

No Venus De Milo?! This is bullshit.

That doesn't even make any sense...
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Post by: Sarail on January 23, 2012, 10:21:48 AM
another rumor that has been floating around for about a week now just got a little juicier.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1614288&postcount=406 (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1614288&postcount=406)
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Final devkits are out, and rumor has it they differ quite a bit from earlier kits. Supposedly more powerful than anticipated, too.

Makes me want to believe that IBM got the CPU down to 28/32nm and that AMD got the GPU down to the same size.

Oh me, oh my. I sure hope it's true. Also...

Rocksteady Studios. Turtles. Please, oh, please be real. Imagining this game in my head now is making me feel kinky.
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Post by: Caterkiller on January 23, 2012, 11:24:11 AM
Oh I hope this game turns out to be true! Love me some turtles!
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Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2012, 11:40:05 AM
That doesn't even make any sense...
I'm curious if you're unfamiliar with Venus De Milo, the female turtle from the late 90's live action show or if you think I actually want her in the game. No one liked Venus De Milo. No one. Peter Laird, one of the co-creators of TMNT, won't even joke about her existence.
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Post by: bustin98 on January 23, 2012, 01:11:08 PM
LOL, yeah, I am not familiar with her existence. I did not even realize there was a live action show. Glad I missed it.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 23, 2012, 01:19:15 PM
I mentioned beofre that Rocksteady would be a good choice to develope a TMNT. I played a little of Arkham City and loved it, so a new TMNT game would be very welcome. The last few TMNT have been pretty abysmal, and the Arkham games have been a love letter to Batman fans, so I assume that this new TMNT game will be a love letter to TMNT fans as well.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 23, 2012, 02:32:24 PM
Rocksteady is the name of a studio that is developing TMNT? Am I the only one who sees why this is funny? Rocksteady and Be Bop were the name of the mutant Rhino and Boar from the animated series. Does the studio take its name after this character? Or is it just a coincidence? If it is a coincidence then it is weird that they are working on a TMNT game.
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Post by: cubist on January 23, 2012, 10:11:47 PM
That's the first thing I thought about was 'BeBop and Rocksteady' from the animated television show.  Wouldn't it be cool if they did get their name from Rocksteady. Funny ****.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 23, 2012, 10:51:54 PM
I wonder how long this TMNT game has been in development?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 23, 2012, 11:49:17 PM
I wonder how long this TMNT game has been in development?

Development probably began soon after Batman Arkham City was completed, if not immediately after it was completed.
Title: Aint no rumor! Retro doing Star Fox!
Post by: Caterkiller on January 24, 2012, 01:41:06 AM
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/01/23/retro-studios-working-on-star-fox-for-wii-u/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/01/23/retro-studios-working-on-star-fox-for-wii-u/)


From the Official Nintendo Magazine.

While some suggest this new project is likely to be a return to the Metroid franchise, we’d love to see another Nintendo hero get the retro stamp of excellence. After all, having rolled out the barrels for Donkey Kong, perhaps it’s time Retro pulled off a barrel roll of a different kind.

Come on! Who's not excited?! Ian... Broodwars?




Still a rumor...
Title: Re: Aint no rumor! Retro doing Star Fox!
Post by: nickmitch on January 24, 2012, 01:46:08 AM
It's definitely fuel to the Retro/Star Fox rumor mill. Though, Nintendo Power is no longer run by Nintendo. Again, cautious optimism.
Title: Re: Aint no rumor! Retro doing Star Fox!
Post by: broodwars on January 24, 2012, 02:01:37 AM
Come on! Who's not excited?! Ian... Broodwars?

I'm indifferent until I see video of the game in action, assuming it actually exists.  I was very cautious about the idea of Retro doing a new Donkey Kong Country game a few years back, and that turned out well.  I hope the same is true here and that Retro hasn't reached beyond their capabilities.  I'd still very much rather that Retro made their own game rather than keep reviving franchises Nintendo can't seem to make themselves.  I played enough old franchises on the Wii.  Let's see something new.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2012, 02:03:02 AM
I guess now is a good time to post this Retro job posting
http://jobs.gamasutra.com/jobseekerx/viewjobrss.asp?cjid=28879&accountno=288 (http://jobs.gamasutra.com/jobseekerx/viewjobrss.asp?cjid=28879&accountno=288)

no info from it, but I meant to post it sometime last week but didn't really have a reason or rumor to attach it to.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 24, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
well, Retro would probably make the best version of Star Fox yet
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 24, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
I will hold onto my assumption that Retro is developing a new Star Fox game for Wii U until I see what they are actually making and it is revealed at E3.
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Post by: Dasmos on January 24, 2012, 06:10:14 PM
well, Retro would probably make the best version of Star Fox yet

How do you figure? I mean, they didn't make the best version of Metroid (Super Metroid) and they didn't make the best version of Donkey Kong (DK: Jungle Beat). I am confident Retro could make a great Star Fox game, but it would have to be pretty gosh darn amazing to be better than Lylat Wars.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 24, 2012, 06:21:08 PM
Retro did make the best Metroid game (Metroid Prime), though I didn't play DKCR. I am sure they could make the best Star Fox too.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 24, 2012, 06:21:35 PM
well, Retro would probably make the best version of Star Fox yet

How do you figure? I mean, they didn't make the best version of Metroid (Super Metroid) and they didn't make the best version of Donkey Kong (DK: Jungle Beat). I am confident Retro could make a great Star Fox game, but it would have to be pretty gosh darn amazing to be better than Lylat Wars.

Retro Studios helped revitalize the Metroid and Donkey Kong Country series, so why can't they do the same for the Star Fox series? Both the DKC and Metroid series had great interations of their series follwed by some what lackluster sequels that put their series fututre into doubt. If it wasn't a sequel that failed to please attentive fans then the series just faded from the lime light in some manner. The latter happened to the Metroid series and until Retro made the Prime series Nintendo had no interest in maintaining Metroid, or atleast deliverying a true successor to Super Metroid. Look at what happened with Other M. It seems from the way people talk that no new Metroid game will be welcome unless it is developed by Retro themselves. I mentioned this before, but a Retro developed Star Fox game would combined the graphical quality that Retro made with the Prime series and then marry it to the cartoonish and light heatedness (and diffculty) of Donkey Kong Country Return.
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Post by: Dasmos on January 24, 2012, 06:32:45 PM
Yeah, I am very aware of what Retro has done with Metroid and I am also aware that they also made the only worthwhile entry in the DKC series, but that's not what my post was about. Read it again.

I don't disagree with anything in your post, mate.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 24, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Yeah, I am very aware of what Retro has done with Metroid and I am also aware that they also made the only worthwhile entry in the DKC series, but that's not what my post was about. Read it again.

I don't disagree with anything in your post, mate.

I mean Q Games could make a decent Star Fox game, but to truelly make the series cerdible again it needs to be deloped by Retro themselves.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 24, 2012, 07:06:35 PM
What if this rumored Star Fox game in question is actually Star Fox Adventures II? Would everyone's excitement evaporate?
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Post by: broodwars on January 24, 2012, 07:10:49 PM
What if this rumored Star Fox game in question is actually Star Fox Adventures II? Would everyone's excitement evaporate?

No, not really.  Retro actually has the talent that Rare lacked to make a good Star Fox Adventures game.  Besides, I'd said it before and I'll say it again: Star Fox can't remain a rail shooter if Nintendo hopes to make it a major franchise again.  It's too limited a format, and a modern Star Fox game needs more variety in gameplay experiences (as well as a decent running time).  That just hasn't been done well up until now.
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Post by: Dasmos on January 24, 2012, 07:15:21 PM
Yeah, I am very aware of what Retro has done with Metroid and I am also aware that they also made the only worthwhile entry in the DKC series, but that's not what my post was about. Read it again.

I don't disagree with anything in your post, mate.

I mean Q Games could make a decent Star Fox game, but to truelly make the series cerdible again it needs to be deloped by Retro themselves.

Okay, now you're talking out your ass (maybe that's why your spelling is so atrocious). Retro would do a fine job, I'm sure, but they're not the only ones who would be able to. All Star Fox needs is to be made a higher priority within Nintendo. This could be giving it back solely to EAD to develop or giving greater support to any other developer who takes it on, whether they are Nintendo-owned or not.
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Post by: Caterkiller on January 25, 2012, 12:08:19 AM
well, Retro would probably make the best version of Star Fox yet

How do you figure? I mean, they didn't make the best version of Metroid (Super Metroid) and they didn't make the best version of Donkey Kong (DK: Jungle Beat). I am confident Retro could make a great Star Fox game, but it would have to be pretty gosh darn amazing to be better than Lylat Wars.

Well that's your opinion. I say the best Metroid is Prime 1, and the best Donkey Kong is Returns. I loved Jungle Beat to death but Returns just barely beats it out for me. So yeah, Retro could make the best Star Fox ever!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 25, 2012, 12:10:33 AM
I really need to play Jungle Beat.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 25, 2012, 12:13:46 AM
Make sure to play it with the DK Bongos, makes it a lot of fun.
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Post by: broodwars on January 25, 2012, 12:15:00 AM
Whenever people call Super Metroid the "superior game" over Metroid Prime, I have to ask a simple question: if that is true, then why do the sales not show that?  Why did Metroid Prime dramatically out-sell it on a platform with a dramatically smaller user base?  Just food for thought there.  As for me, I didn't like the Metroid series until Metroid Prime, so I easily find Retro's work on the franchise the superior product.  As for Donkey Kong Country Returns, there are things I like better about the original games (the lack of forced motion controls & a much more manageable difficulty level) and things I like better about Retro's game (the level design, animation, art style, etc.).  In the end, I think Retro's work is on par with the original DKC games.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 25, 2012, 12:17:28 AM
Yeah, I had the NPC version, then sold it without playing it in favor of picking up the GameCube version. Funny thing is I've owned the bongos since the beginning, as my sister got Donkey Konga back when it came out, so it's pretty shameful that I still have yet to play what seems to be unquestionably the best thing ever done with them.


EDIT: Broodwars, I really don't think you want to set the precedent that you think sales=quality.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 25, 2012, 12:20:39 AM
I really need to play Jungle Beat.

Only if you want your life to have meaning. :P:

What if this rumored Star Fox game in question is actually Star Fox Adventures II? Would everyone's excitement evaporate?

I'd rather it be a better mix of SFAdventures and SF64 than a straight sequel to SFA, but I still would be excited. Retro has a great track record and hasn't failed to impress me yet.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 25, 2012, 12:21:13 AM
Whenever people call Super Metroid the "superior game" over Metroid Prime, I have to ask a simple question: if that is true, then why did relatively no one buy it?

I bought it. But in answer to your question, I don't think its fair to compare the sales of games on modern (or relatively modern) systems to sales of games on systems from 20 years ago. The reason is because the gaming market has grown since then and continues to grow so now its easier for games to hit the 1 million+ sales milestone. The further back in time you go the fewer and fewer games there are which hit that many sales.

So that's one thing. The other factor is the Metroid fanbase has also grown as well since Super Metroid. There were those games on the GBA, and of course people who remembered hearing about Super Metroid back in the day but never bothered with it, but now that Metroid Prime was out they decided to see what all the fuss was about and that became their first experience with the series. It doesn't mean they necessarily liked Prime more, its just this was their first and perhaps only experience with the franchise. Had they been exposed to Super Metroid in its time they may have liked it more.

It may also be true that Metroid Prime received a much larger advertising push than Super Metroid did back in the 90s. I know Nintendo did advertise Super Metroid, because I remember seeing commercials for it, but it is possible that Prime was pushed harder.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 25, 2012, 12:24:52 AM
Whenever people call Super Metroid the "superior game" over Metroid Prime, I have to ask a simple question: if that is true, then why do the sales not show that?  Why did Metroid Prime dramatically out-sell it on a platform with a dramatically smaller user base?  Just food for thought there.

That's a great point. I think the Metroid series maybe just isn't that popular, hence why we haven't seen a new 2D Metroid in years. But I think fans of the series prefer Super Metroid. Meanwhile, the FPS is a more popular genre, hence the Prime series popularity.
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Post by: broodwars on January 25, 2012, 12:26:48 AM
EDIT: Broodwars, I really don't think you want to set the precedent that you think sales=quality.

I know what you're getting at, but I will bring that up when we're comparing two games that are generally considered to be of high quality.  Nintendo dominated the industry in the SNES days, and it was an afterthought in the GameCube years, yet Metroid Prime easily outsold is predecessor.  As for the GBA games, I don't think Fusion released until either just before or alongside Metroid Prime, because you could link the two games to get bonuses in Metroid Prime.  I also wouldn't use Prime being First Person as an excuse, because back in the day of Super Metroid platformers were all the rage.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 25, 2012, 12:34:20 AM
It should be noted that while even though Metroid Prime did outsell Super Metroid the Prime sequels did not fair so well. If Prime was a superior game you would think sales of Echoes and Corruption would have been at least equally as good, but they aren't. This means a lot of people who bought Prime were not pleased enough with it to bother with the sequels.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 25, 2012, 12:44:11 AM
There are all kinds of factors that went into the sales of the two games, and drawing a direct correlation between sales and quality is ludicrous. For one, there's a good argument to be made that part of the reason Metroid Prime sold so well was the high esteem Super Metroid was held in. Metroid Prime also faced less competition in terms of other high quality games on the system than Super Metroid was surrounded by on the SNES, which could explain the higher sales. Prime also had the benefit of being released in an era with a lot more widespread gaming media; more people were aware of the quality of Metroid Prime thanks to websites (like this one) than learned about Super Metroid from the much more limited media in the early '90s.


The way I see it, Super Metroid and Metroid Prime are basically the same game, and both of them are made very well, so it all comes down to which interface and presentation you prefer.
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Post by: broodwars on January 25, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
It should be noted that while even though Metroid Prime did outsell Super Metroid the Prime sequels did not fair so well. If Prime was a superior game you would think sales of Echoes and Corruption would have been at least equally as good, but they aren't. This means a lot of people who bought Prime were not pleased enough with it to bother with the sequels.

I really hate that the backspace key wipes out all progress and sends you back a screen...retyping this all over again...

Or maybe people saw Echoes for the tedious, sadistic chore that it was and were cautious about buying it, an effect that trickled down to Corruption later on.  I do think that Corruption is a more fun and more interesting game than Super Metroid, but I can accept your argument for why you think Super Metroid is the better game.

If you want to bring up the sequels, though, I'll bring up Metroid: Other M, a game specifically designed to be the successor to Super Metroid in terms of story and gameplay.  That wasn't received so well, was it?  And yes, I know there are many deserved reasons for that, but you wanted to bring up the sequels for some reason.

EDIT: And I hate the "better" argument with these two games myself, Insanolord.  I just hate seeing Super Metroid put up on such a (nostalgia-dominated) pedestal by so many people, as if it's automatic that Retro couldn't create anything of equal quality.  That's why I left it labeled as "food for thought".
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 25, 2012, 12:53:41 AM
To be fair, I played Super Metroid for the first time on the Virtual Console and still consider it one of the best games I've ever played, so there's a lot more than nostalgia there. Prime is just as good, though.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 25, 2012, 01:25:15 AM
The FPS genre is so over saturated these days, so if Retro were to make another Metroid game I would rather it be done in third person in the same style as Gears of War or Uncharted.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 25, 2012, 01:28:30 AM
I'm more fond of Super Metroid for a variety of reasons that don't have anything to do with nostalgia. One reason would certainly be the 3rd person perspective, which was almost the only thing about Other M which I felt was done right. Take Everything from Prime and give it the 3rd person perspective of Other M and that would be a game I would feel truly worthy of being the successor to Super Metroid. So far there hasn't been a game that gets it quite right, and considering the franchise is under the total dictatorial control of Sakamoto its doubtful something like what I want to see is ever going to happen in the foreseeable future.

3rd person perspective aside, I also loved the atmosphere and the music a lot more than in Prime. The atmosphere and music of Super Metroid is eerie and it makes you feel truly alone in the universe and may even send a chill down your spine, even though it was only in 16-bit, and being that the game was actually in 3rd person you could actually enjoy and appreciate it.

1st person shooters have their place, but I don't think Metroid is a game suited for 1st person. There's a lot of platforming which is alot more difficult in 1st person. Imagine playing a Mario game in 1st person and trying to do perfect jumps onto goombas or small moving platforms or whatever the case may be. Metroid doesn't have as much of that tricky jumping as Mario, but it has enough to make 1st person perspective ill suited to it. I also didn't really like getting raped in the ass by enemies I didn't see coming. In 3rd person you have peripheral vision so you always know what's going on all around you, but in 1st person not so much.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 25, 2012, 01:32:59 AM
I also played Super Metroid after the SNES era, and even after playing Metroid Prime. I'm not going to pick one I like better, as I find 2D and 3D games to play in entirely different ways, but I do consider Super Metroid to be one of the best 2D games ever produced. Though I do believe that nostalgia can play a role in one's perception of a game, rarely if ever is it the sole reason that one likes a game. The nostalgia card is usually a weak excuse for why people like a game that someone else does not.

If SNES game sales in comparison to modern game sales are an indication of quality then Chrono Trigger must be a terrible game.
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Post by: Lithium on January 25, 2012, 01:52:52 AM
I loved Metroid Prime, it was my first Metroid game that I've ever played and my favorite in the series (with super metroid nipping at it's heels as my 2nd favourite) but i pretty much agreed with insanolord when he said that super and prime are almost the same game but with a different perspective. The reason I enjoyed Prime 1 more is because i felt the sense of exploration and immersion were a notch above super, part of that is just by virtue of being newer (and Retro's incredible art direction) but the scanning/lore went a long way to immerse me into Talon IV more than my immersion in Zebes.


As for Prime 2 the dark world and fetch quests really put a damper on my enjoyment of it. Also dark Samus is a terrible, terrible character/antagonist especially since it was so close to Fusion which had the SA-X which was infinitely superior as an antagonist, you actually felt scared of SA-X while dark Samus was pretty cheesy.


I liked Prime 3 more than 2 but it unfortunately drifted toward FPS territory both 2 and 3 had a pretty campy story but Prime 3 put it at the forefront, while Prime 1's story was actually pretty good and well executed but optional. The main reason that i didnt like prime 3 as much as 1 though is that prime 3 took away a lot of the exploration aspects that i enjoyed in 1 and 2 (although aether wasn't as interesting as Talon IV save for Sanctuary fortress)



and I know retro didn't work on this but  Metroid: other M... Well, just watch this and see how long you last  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHllGUpXwk0#t=2m41s)
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Post by: Luigi Dude on January 25, 2012, 02:06:11 AM
I like Retro and all but I don't see why some people are hyping them up to be the only one who can revive Star Fox.  Yes they did a great job with the Metroid Prime series and they made a great platformer with DKCR, but I wouldn't put them over everyone in the industry at every single genre.  Yeah I'm sure they could make a great game but in the case of Star Fox I'd rather have Hideki Kamiya get his wish to make a Star Fox game first. 

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/19/platinums-kamiya-wants-to-make-a-new-star-fox-at-gunpoint/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/19/platinums-kamiya-wants-to-make-a-new-star-fox-at-gunpoint/)

When you have one of the best action game designers actually wanting to make a Star Fox game, that's just too good to pass up because you know he'll do something amazing with the series.
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Post by: broodwars on January 25, 2012, 02:08:14 AM
I like Retro and all but I don't see why some people are hyping them up to be the only one who can revive Star Fox.

"Some people"?  I only see Kytim making that claim, while others like me only think they could make a good Star Fox game.
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Post by: Lithium on January 25, 2012, 02:10:52 AM
If i could choose any dev to make the next star fox it would be Treasure without any hesitation.
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Post by: broodwars on January 25, 2012, 02:14:53 AM
If i could choose any dev to make the next star fox it would be Treasure without any hesitation.

As cool as that might be (I liked Sin & Punishment 2 as well), the game would be 3 hours long and have a completely incomprehensible story like seemingly every other Treasure game and I wouldn't relish that.  I'd like the next Star Fox to have more staying power than that, especially as game prices continue to tick upwards.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 25, 2012, 02:17:31 AM
I have never played a Star Fox game before. "What kind of Nintendo fan are you?!"
I own Star Fox on SNES, Star Fox 64 on N64, and Star Fox Command on DS. Of these, which one should I start with? Thoughts?
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Post by: broodwars on January 25, 2012, 02:23:30 AM
I have never played a Star Fox game before. "What kind of Nintendo fan are you?!"
I own Star Fox on SNES, Star Fox 64 on N64, and Star Fox Command on DS. Of these, which one should I start with? Thoughts?

Personally, I think the original Star Fox has a certain charm to it, so if you have a SNES and cartridge that still work by all means play the original first.  Both it and Star Fox 64 take a whopping hour each to complete one playthrough, so you can easily knock out both in an afternoon.

I'm split whether to even recommend Star Fox Command.  There were things about the game I liked and thought were rather clever (like drawing paths on a map to strategically decide the routes of your ships), but I hate the game's time limits and controls, and its All Range Mode combat is spectacularly bland and dull.  The story also comes off to me as some of the worst kind of fanfiction, and it's partially the reason why I'd prefer to just see the series rebooted rather than continued.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 25, 2012, 03:21:37 AM
Play the original one first. It was first, so logic dictates that you must play it first.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on January 25, 2012, 03:47:38 AM

As cool as that might be (I liked Sin & Punishment 2 as well), the game would be 3 hours long and have a completely incomprehensible story like seemingly every other Treasure game and I wouldn't relish that.  I'd like the next Star Fox to have more staying power than that, especially as game prices continue to tick upwards.

This is why a Hideki Kamiya Star Fox would work so well.  The game could still have some traditional rail-shooting levels which I'm sure he'd do a great job at, but also could have great action outside of it as well to provide a much longer experience to justify a full $50 price tag.  I mean, Fox does use a laser so it wouldn't be that hard for Kamiya to give the game DMC/Bayonetta style gameplay for none Arwing levels that would still be great as well.

Basically I can see Kamiya making something like Star Fox: Assault done right.  On paper, Star Fox: Assault was a good way of evolving the series by adding more gameplay with Fox getting out of the Arwing for a longer experience.  The problem is Namco f*cked it all up by making the non-Arwing parts of the game sh!t.

If Kamiya would make a Star Fox with the non-Arwing levels turn into DMC/Bayonetta style action, that would be a great way of making the series more appealing to a larger audience again, and please longtime fans since the non-Arwing levels will actually be good this time.
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Post by: Adrock on January 25, 2012, 08:24:32 AM
Kamiya would do a good job with Star Fox because he's a talented game designer and if he's a fan of the series, he probably has an idea of how to approach a new game but adding DMC/Beyonetta style gameplay is very unbecoming of the series. Not sure you can expand the Star Fox brand, especially by trying to make it into something it's not.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 25, 2012, 01:24:22 PM
I have never played a Star Fox game before. "What kind of Nintendo fan are you?!"
I own Star Fox on SNES, Star Fox 64 on N64, and Star Fox Command on DS. Of these, which one should I start with? Thoughts?

The first game is the hardest, and of course the most dated. The technical limitations really hold it back; if the hardware had more oomph, it'd be my hands-down favorite. As it is, it's just my favorite by a hair.

I'd start with Star Fox 64, as it's generally more accesible, and if you like that game I'd move on to the original.

Star Fox Command was not to my tastes. I like the rail stages, which are scarce in that game.
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Post by: Dasmos on January 25, 2012, 02:13:12 PM
See I wouldn't mind Kamiya making a Star Fox game at all, he has the cred and the passion to do a nice job. But I'd like the idea of a non-arwing Star Fox game being more like a Vanquish type game as opposed to a DMC type.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on January 25, 2012, 02:38:33 PM
See I wouldn't mind Kamiya making a Star Fox game at all, he has the cred and the passion to do a nice job. But I'd like the idea of a non-arwing Star Fox game being more like a Vanquish type game as opposed to a DMC type.

That would also work great as well.  Just goes to show that Platinum would be a great choice to make a Star Fox.  Hopefully Kamiya actually contacts Nintendo to make this someday because I'm sure Miyamoto would easily allow it considering Kamiya's record.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 25, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
well, Retro would probably make the best version of Star Fox yet

How do you figure? I mean, they didn't make the best version of Metroid (Super Metroid) and they didn't make the best version of Donkey Kong (DK: Jungle Beat). I am confident Retro could make a great Star Fox game, but it would have to be pretty gosh darn amazing to be better than Lylat Wars.

well, i think they would make the best version because they could be the most enthusiastic about making a new one. They are also really talented. The last couple star fox games have been pretty half assed, even coming from Nintendo themselves. I don't even lump Star Fox Adventures in the group because it was really Dinosaur Planet in Fox McCloud clothing. The last really good Starfox standalone game was probably Starfox 64, the first Starfox game was developed by Argonaut, a British company. If Nintendo can create a similar enough arrangement with Retro as they did Argonaut then maybe they can get that same feel thats been missed. It was Iwata or Miyamoto who were recently talking about how sometimes its best to use Western talents for certain areas, I agree and I think Star Fox is one of those.

Now, that being said current Retro is not the same as Metroid Retro, though there must still be at least some of the original Metroid team left. They are/were certainly capable of handling the Sci-Fi elements. Even so, they have a pretty good track record with the recent Donkey Kong entry. I agree that Super Metroid was probably the best version of Metroid, but Prime to me is 2nd best. Star Fox kinda could use a boost, and I think Retro has the talent to achieve it. Also, I think the huge boost of power that Wii U will inject into Nintendo's games will be impressive and could elevate games that have been on the wayside. If you were to take Lair and give it Starfox clothing and a cast of likeable characters if would be amazing. Considering all the new people at Retro and what I've seen them work on I'm pretty confident they can deliver something amazing on Wii U regardless of what the franchise is.  I think at this point Nintendo will gain back a lot of credit just on graphics alone. Also, it just seems western studios tend to introduce things to keep games relevant whereas a lot of Japanese studios do constant cliché things that render them passé...Im sorry I never had to use two words like that in a sentence. Sometimes you have to do something drastic to inject fresh air into a product, that could be the thing to do. Years ago we were talking about how Factor 5 would be a good studio for that, but they are in some weird kinda out of business limbo at the moment.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 25, 2012, 04:43:18 PM
I still want Retro to make something new and original.  I'm just curious, you know?  After playing Metroid Prime for the first hour or so I just knew these guys were really creative so what could they do if they were starting something brand new?  Here we are nearly TEN YEARS later and I still don't know.

I also want Star Fox to be good again and Retro can probably do that.  They haven't demonstrated any particular skill in that type of gameplay (I think Treasure is a better choice) but they've proven to be a talented team so that justifies some optimism.

And what's going on with this "Metroid Prime sold better so it must be better" argument?  When does sales mean ANYTHING other than what is more popular?  Lots of stuff sold like gangbusters in its day and is considered a joke now while several creative works that were largely ignored in their time have since been regarded as classics.

I prefer Super Metroid and big reason for that is that it is short on filler.  Metroid Prime suffers from an annoying trend of current game design: PADDING.  It has a stupid fetch quest at the end but what really annoys me are the constant Chozo Ghost fights you have to deal with every time to backtrack.  Those part were an outright CHORE to play.  Super Metroid didn't have that.  It's not an easy game and you can get frustrated playing it but only in the general "I died, now I go back" method that any game has.  Metroid Prime will intentionally be an annoying pain in the ass to give the illusion of a long game length.  Super Metroid in comparison is quite short and I'm cool with that.  Do you judge a movie by how long it is or is pacing more what matters?  I don't mind a game that is a little short if I'm having a great time the whole way.  I much prefer that to a long game with annoying and tiresome padding making the game drag on without being fun.  I enjoy going back to Super Metroid while I have NEVER replayed Metroid Prime entirely because I think of the annoying chore of Chozo Ghosts and lose interest.  Hell I pretty much NEVER replay 3D era games because of their length and padding makes it worse.
Title: Wii U renamed?
Post by: Caterkiller on January 26, 2012, 02:11:19 PM
http://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1217316p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1217316p1.html)


According to IGN there is a rumor going about that Nintendo is considering renaming the Wii U.


I actually like the name, but honestly think it looks cooler than it sounds. Though that's not the issue, the issue is apparently the mass media being confused about what it actually is. We all remember E3 confusing the non gaming press. I know some put the 3DS in the same boat, when they are right next to each other, I guess the average joe would think another DS but with 3D.


I like the name but do I think Nintendo would benefit from something that say's Wii successor and/or Nintendo successor. I know most of you don't like the Wii name, as it would turn off "teh hard core" but if the games people want end up being on it, they'll buy it no doubt.

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Post by: Ceric on January 26, 2012, 02:20:58 PM
http://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1217316p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1217316p1.html)
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Though that's not the issue, the issue is apparently the mass media being confused about what it actually is. We all remember E3 confusing the non gaming press. I know some put the 3DS in the same boat, when they are right next to each other, I guess the average joe would think another DS but with 3D.
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Thats my issue with the name.  Its to similar.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 26, 2012, 02:28:33 PM
I never saw the problem people have with the name. I was surprised by it at first, but I like it and it sounds good. It also fits based on what they want to do with it. I hope Nintendo doesn't cave in and re-name it. Like Cater said, people did the same thing about the 3DS. If the Internet was as big back then, I am sure you would have had people complaining about the Game Boy Color name too (thinking it was just a upgrade to the Game Boy rather than a new system).
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Post by: Ceric on January 26, 2012, 02:41:31 PM
I never saw the problem people have with the name. I was surprised by it at first, but I like it and it sounds good. It also fits based on what they want to do with it. I hope Nintendo doesn't cave in and re-name it. Like Cater said, people did the same thing about the 3DS. If the Internet was as big back then, I am sure you would have had people complaining about the Game Boy Color name too (thinking it was just a upgrade to the Game Boy rather than a new system).
GameBoy.  Everyone knew it was 2 colors. 
GameBoy Pocket.  Its a smaller Gameboy but that its.
GameBoy Color.  Ok its a Gameboy in color there is no way that they could do that with the same tech.
GameBoy Advance.  Its a more Advanced Gameboy.
GameBoy Advance SP.  SP tends to mean Special it must be a special version of the Gameboy Advance.
GameBoy Advance Micro.  Must be a tiny Gameboy Advance.
DS.  Thats doesn't say Gameboy at all it must be a new system.
DS Lite.  Must be a lighter DS
DSi.  I stands for interactive in general that doesn't make sense here.  This must just be an enhanced version like the blender with more settings.
DSi XL.  XL means larger must just be a larger Variant.
3DS.  Name doesn't start with DS.  Its not 3 DSes.  Honestly the Name is clever but its not as clear as the other ones in the line.

My overal point being the names gave pretty good hints at what was a variant and what was a new console.

DS and DSi are essentailly the same core system.  One is slightly enhanced.
Wii and Wii U are totally different but the name scheme Nintendo has been using would indicate that Wii U would just be an enhanced variant (tablet control in this case) with no real extra power.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 26, 2012, 03:21:33 PM
to be fair people are getting stupid, so its best to differentiate things. I dont mind the Wii U name, but Nintendo needs to differentiate it from wii. Wii was popular till 2010. Its isnt any longer, people speak of it with derision quite regularly.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 26, 2012, 03:46:58 PM
Might I make a suggestion? Super Wii should be th new name of the console.
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Post by: Kairon on January 26, 2012, 03:54:13 PM
I've never cared for any of the criticism for the Wii U name. However, if Nintendo thinks the 3DS name created casual consumer confusion that affected sales, that sounds like a very valid reason to consider other options, if true.
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Post by: Adrock on January 26, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
Might I make a suggestion? Super Wii should be th new name of the console.
Stop it, kytim.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 04:27:41 PM
The "Wii" has become a word synonymous with casualness, kiddiness, and weak obsolete hardware with software droughts. All of those are things Nintendo themselves have said they have wanted to distance themselves from with their next console. If they really mean that, then they need to ditch the name because for a lot of people the word "Wii" is a bad word. The "wii" brand name is garbage to all but the most diehard Nintendo fans. There are people on this forum who will defend it, but this is a Nintendo fan site after all.

Me telling you all this may not be what you want to hear, but its the honest truth. The name sucks, and by using it Nintendo makes winning over the hardcore gamers an uphill battle. Whether you like it or not isn't the point. The point is, will the "Halo dude bros" or whatever you call them like it? And the answer is an obvious no.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 26, 2012, 04:32:45 PM
The Wii name is synonymous with success and a system that anyone can play. The system itself may have had some failures due to most developers never doing more than a half-assed job on it, but the system brand itself is still good and I can't see what benefits ditching it would provide. If there are good games on Wii U, then people won't care about the name.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 04:41:33 PM
The Wii name is synonymous with success

Only with casuals. That's my point. To casuals its an awesome name, but to hardcore gamers its not. To them the system was a failure. To them the name "Wii" leaves a bad taste in their mouth. Hardcore gamers will go out of their way to avoid anything with the name Wii attached to it, so this would hurt the Wii U even if it does have great games on it. The name is **** and these gamers would see it as an embarrassment to own it, and they wouldn't want their friends to know they owned it. No self-respecting hardcore gamer would openly boast of owning a "Wii U" out of fear of being ostracized.

Sadly, I can picture kids getting beat up on playgrounds and picked on just because they owned a Wii U instead of one of the "cool" systems. If that happens its Nintendo's fault for not giving the system a cooler name.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 26, 2012, 05:11:23 PM
I think you are blowing things out of proportion. The name is not the problem, it was the lack of games that caused so-call "hardcore" gamers to start avoiding it. If the Wii U has the games and tech, then people will flock to it.
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Post by: marty on January 26, 2012, 05:17:32 PM
The Wii name is synonymous with success

Only with casuals. That's my point. To casuals its an awesome name, but to hardcore gamers its not.
Nintendo made the Wii anti-hardcore and cashed in on it.  This pissed the hc gamer off.
Nintendo then stopped going after their new customers by 2010 (nintendo's last BIG game came out in 2009) so I doubt any of them will even care by the launch of Wii U--Nintendo might have poisoned the well, so to speak.

Wii U is a name that screams confusion.
It's not going to bring back Wii-gamers and it just sounds dumb to... everyone.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 26, 2012, 05:25:19 PM
Might I make a suggestion?


No.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 05:33:34 PM
I think you are blowing things out of proportion. The name is not the problem, it was the lack of games that caused so-call "hardcore" gamers to start avoiding it. If the Wii U has the games and tech, then people will flock to it.

You are right that the lack of games is what ruined the Wii name's reputation (although the Wii name was silly to begin with). But that's exactly my point, the name has been tarnished and trashed.  It doesn't matter why the name is garbage, it just is. And that's why it needs to be dropped. When people hear the name "Wii" they think of that waggle controller console that didn't have any cool games. That's not the reputation Nintendo should want their next console to be associated with. It doesn't matter why it has that reputation, the fact of the matter is simply that it does and therefore the name needs to be dropped.

It would be much easier and simpler for Nintendo to start off with a new brand name than to try to rehabilitate the "Wii" in the eyes of hardcore gamers. I'm not saying the "Wii" brand couldn't be rehabilitated, but it would take a lot of time and effort and until it was rehabilitated the console would suffer. So even though it could be cured, its just not worth it. Better to start off with a new name which is cool right from the beginning.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 26, 2012, 05:39:05 PM
The Wii name is synonymous with success

Only with casuals. That's my point. To casuals its an awesome name, but to hardcore gamers its not.
Nintendo made the Wii anti-hardcore and cashed in on it.  This pissed the hc gamer off.
Nintendo then stopped going after their new customers by 2010 (nintendo's last BIG game came out in 2009) so I doubt any of them will even care by the launch of Wii U--Nintendo might have poisoned the well, so to speak.

Wii U is a name that screams confusion.
It's not going to bring back Wii-gamers and it just sounds dumb to... everyone.

How is it confusing? Because it keeps a successful brand name alive? And I didn't know you spoke to all 7 billion people in the world. It's fine if you think it's dumb, but please don't act like you know how most people feel. They didn't try to make it anti-hardcore, third party publishers did that when they stopped trying to put good games on it. Nintendo tried to make the system one that was for everyone.

No big games since 2009? A few off the top of my head that came out in 2010 or 2011: Super Mario Galaxy 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. Those are big games, they have also released more hardcore games that are not necessarily "big" (like Xenoblade Chronicles and Metroid: Other M).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 05:46:46 PM
Those are big games,

The reason those are all you can think of is because those are pretty much all the big game releases there was. 4 big games in the period of 2-3 years is not something to be proud of. In that same period of time the PS360 received probably dozens of games of similar caliber.

they have also released more hardcore games that are not necessarily "big" (like Xenoblade Chronicles and Metroid: Other M).

Xenoblade isn't getting a proper full blown release in NA like it should, and Other M was garbage. I actually consider Other M to be a negative game, which means not only does it not count towards the Wii's game lineup but it actually detracts from it. It cancels out a good game in the same way that anti-matter cancels out normal matter.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 26, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
I just listed ones from Nintendo, not third parties. Microsoft was not that big either.

For your second point, you just seem to be trying to come up with some reason to not count games.
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Post by: Ceric on January 26, 2012, 06:13:53 PM
Personally if they are going to keep the Wii name I like a clearly indicator.

Wii Too

Would fit there need and Too sounds like Two which indicates iteration.

Wii X

X in the US means Extreme which is synonomous with more Power, Ho HO hO.

neWii

New Wii.  Its in the name.

The name should trigger easy logic to it being the next one.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 26, 2012, 06:36:28 PM
Super Wii is where it's at. ;D ;)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 06:52:52 PM
Super Wii is where it's at. ;D ;)

I'm vehemently opposed to anything with Wii in it, and that includes "Super Wii". Now if it was called Super Gamecube, or Super N64, then okay. Those were systems I loved. But Wii? Hell no.
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Post by: Sarail on January 26, 2012, 07:20:00 PM
I think you are blowing things out of proportion. The name is not the problem, it was the lack of games that caused so-call "hardcore" gamers to start avoiding it. If the Wii U has the games and tech, then people will flock to it.

My library of 30+ "hardcore" games for the Wii disagrees. It's not about the amount of games over the tenure of the console... to grasp a particular audience, the old adage, "First impressions are everything," holds very true - even when naming a console. Chozo is correct. Associate this new console with the Wii moniker, and core gamers will scoff and lift their collective noses in the air.  However, give it a catchy name that might have a slight descriptive notion as to what the console is all about? Now we're talking.

Ditch the Wii name. If Nintendo truly wants to capture as huge of an audience as they can with this thing, then it's time to create a new brand. One that's cool. One that has a catch to it. One that everyone can relate to. Wii IS NOT that name.



Super Wii is where it's at. ;D ;)


Also... please. Please just stop, Kytim. o_O
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2012, 07:22:46 PM
Personally if they are going to keep the Wii name I like a clearly indicator.

Wii Too

Would fit there need and Too sounds like Two which indicates iteration.

Wii X

X in the US means Extreme which is synonomous with more Power, Ho HO hO.

neWii

New Wii.  Its in the name.

The name should trigger easy logic to it being the next one.

WiiTu

NuWii or WiiNu

keeps the u, and is an easy play on words for marketing.
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Post by: Lithium on January 26, 2012, 07:50:12 PM
they could call it Wii² and then make the case a square. Then of course if they want to continue with the branding next time they can call the next one Wii³... I think you know where im going with this.
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Post by: Adrock on January 26, 2012, 08:04:06 PM
I'm vehemently opposed to anything with Wii in it...
Really? That's not the impression I got at all.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on January 26, 2012, 08:34:02 PM
First of all, full disclosure: I really do not like the name Wii U. However, I'm open to Nintendo keeping the "Wii" name if they feel that it'll still attract the casual audience. However, I believe Nintendo has said that they hope to capture both the casual and core audiences with the Wii U. Unfortunately, herein lies the problem that I see with the name "Wii U". It seems the "Wii" name has lost it's "cred" with many core gamers, so they run the risk of continuing to alienate those who wouldn't give a system with a name like "Wii U" a second thought. On the flip side, Nintendo made so much money in the casual market with the Wii that they hope that it's brand recognition will continue to resonate with that crowd. The downside there is that, and correct me if I'm wrong, but many of those new casuals who purchased a Wii did not continue to purchase much software throughout the rest of it's tenure, which really makes me wonder how much of that demographic will bother to embrace the "Wii U", especially if the name does little to differentiate it from the Wii.

Nintendo is in a tough spot with trying to please both crowds. They're best bet might be to try and find a name that had the same impact of "Wii" -- ambiguous yet recognizable -- that won't scare away the casual crowd nor deter the core. Perhaps it will be new and exciting for the casuals, yet maybe with the hint of edge that long lost core gamers crave. Personally, I would just be happy for it to change from "Wii U".
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Post by: Adrock on January 26, 2012, 08:49:31 PM
All this huffing and puffing about the name when it matters more to casual gamers than it does to the core. Any core gamer worth his salt knows that games make a system. Nintendo could call the console almost anything and core gamers would know whether they wanted one or not because they know what games are in the system. They read gaming websites and many post on message boards like this one. They would get over any name if it had the games they wanted to play. That's something Nintendo needs to work out with 3rd parties, not their marketing department.

The problem with the Wii U name always lied with casual gamers because they don't know anything and most likely are too lazy/unmotivated to find out for themselves. The Wii brand is strong. It makes sense to keep it if it's recognizable to casual gamers and core gamers care more about what the console offers. However, "Wii U" is a step away from "Wiii." It's problematic and in that way, it might be worth it to consider marketing a completely new name.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 09:04:27 PM
Nintendo could make "Wii" a more palatable by using it in conjunction with a hardcore word. Unfortunately, "U" isn't hardcore, so that doesn't work. But imagine if it was "Wii Juggernaut" or something like that. Then even though its still technically Wii, its a little more palatable to self respecting gamers.
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Post by: Lithium on January 26, 2012, 09:19:59 PM
Funny thing we're talking about the name, I just got this link from a friend on IM

Quote from: CVG
What's in a name? Nintendo considering Wii U rebrand, sources claim (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/333583/whats-in-a-name-nintendo-considering-wii-u-rebrand-sources-claim/)
Nintendo is considering changing the name of its next-generation console, Wii U, sources close to the platform holder have suggested.



and of course you can click the link for the full article
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2012, 09:22:37 PM
^ Why do you think they were talking about the name?
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg716335#msg716335
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Post by: Lithium on January 26, 2012, 09:23:02 PM
missed that post obviously
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 09:30:45 PM
Remember last year when we were all trying to guess what the new name would be? We were coming up with things like Beam and stuff like that, but then at E3 Reggie ruthlessly smashed all our dreams by announcing it was "Wii U" which he might as have said "F U" instead, because that's how it came across to hardcore fans.

Well, now that the name is up in the air again there's a chance those names we discussed a year ago could be adopted. Names like "Stream" and "Beam" and so on, and even the codename "Cafe" are now possibilities once again. There is now hope again.
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Post by: Caterkiller on January 26, 2012, 09:33:09 PM
they could call it Wii² and then make the case a square. Then of course if they want to continue with the branding next time they can call the next one Wii³... I think you know where im going with this.

Best name yet that actually gets the point across. I don't know how to make the tiny two but Wii Squared. I think it sounds cool and easily makes sense to all.


@Chozo


What is your problem? It doesn't matter what the name is, what ever comes out for it will be the same regardless.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 09:37:06 PM
they could call it Wii² and then make the case a square. Then of course if they want to continue with the branding next time they can call the next one Wii³... I think you know where im going with this.

Best name yet that actually gets the point across. I don't know how to make the tiny two but Wii Squared. I think it sounds cool and easily makes sense to all.

That tiny 2 would be easily missed by consumers, especially the elderly casual consumers with poor eyesight which Nintendo likes to cater to.

And cool? Hell no. Anything with "Wii" in the name is not cool.
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Post by: marty on January 26, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
How is it confusing? Because it keeps a successful brand name alive? And I didn't know you spoke to all 7 billion people in the world. It's fine if you think it's dumb, but please don't act like you know how most people feel. They didn't try to make it anti-hardcore, third party publishers did that when they stopped trying to put good games on it. Nintendo tried to make the system one that was for everyone.
"sounds dumb to...everyone." is a half-joke.   I haven't heard Nintendo or anyone else offer a good reason why it's not dumb.  I don't care that it's a dumb name but that doesn't make it any less dumb sounding.  And boy is it dumb.

And the Wii wasn't intentionally anti-hardcore?  old hardware, not HD, minimal online capabilities, Miis, simple controller, games built around imprecise and unresponsive motion controls... yeah, that's pretty anti-hardcore.  I'm glad they went that route.  Hardcore is boring.

No big games since 2009? A few off the top of my head that came out in 2010 or 2011: Super Mario Galaxy 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. Those are big games, they have also released more hardcore games that are not necessarily "big" (like Xenoblade Chronicles and Metroid: Other M).
Okay, a bunch of games that didn't sell anywhere near what Mario Kart, NSMB, Smash Bros, Wii Fit, or Wii Sports Resort sold.  Those might be games you or I liked but the vast majority of Wii owners didn't buy them.  I mean, Just Dance games sell better than any of those installments of Nintendo's main franchises but I'm not going to put a value judgment on that.  Nintendo has proven that they can do 20-30+ million sellers.  When their AAA titles don't even match the sales of Just Dance, I think it's safe to say that those aren't big games.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 26, 2012, 10:37:15 PM
Most games on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 don't reach the sales of the Just Dance games, so what? Ubisoft got a massive hit on their end with the franchise.

Motion controls work well when the developer puts effort into it, though a lot never did. What about Mii's? Sony and Microsoft like them enough to copy them.
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Post by: marty on January 26, 2012, 11:04:52 PM
Most games on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 don't reach the sales of the Just Dance games, so what? Ubisoft got a massive hit on their end with the franchise.

Motion controls work well when the developer puts effort into it, though a lot never did. What about Mii's? Sony and Microsoft like them enough to copy them.
Yes, MS and Sony don't have a lot of big games.  In fact, Nintendo had the biggest games early on and crushed MS and Sony this generation.  What's odd though is that Sony and MS gamers still get AAA titles and some of them turn into big games or big franchises.

I can only think of 2 games that motion controls helped: Wii Sports and No More Heroes.  God Father was also good but it's a port so I don't think that counts.  I don't blame Nintendo for the bad games they didn't make.  But a lot of Nintendo's games would have been better off using traditional controls.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 26, 2012, 11:45:38 PM
I can only think of 2 games that motion controls helped: Wii Sports and No More Heroes.  God Father was also good but it's a port so I don't think that counts.

RE4 also benefited greatly from motion controls, but that too is a port.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 26, 2012, 11:50:26 PM
So did Boom Blox, Tiger Woods, and Trauma Team, and probably much more. And if we add in pointer controls...

But realistically, I think the ports are the perfect counter-example. If the thesis is "motion controls don't help games," and then at least one game is cited which, by the detractor's own admission, is better than the original game because of motion controls, well...
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Post by: marty on January 27, 2012, 12:42:46 AM
So did Boom Blox, Tiger Woods, and Trauma Team, and probably much more. And if we add in pointer controls...

But realistically, I think the ports are the perfect counter-example. If the thesis is "motion controls don't help games," and then at least one game is cited which, by the detractor's own admission, is better than the original game because of motion controls, well...
I'm not a detractor of motion controls, I just think a lot of games that used motion controls poorly would have been better with better controls or traditional controls.  I also didn't play Godfather on any other system so it doesn't quite work as a counter-example since I can't say that the Wii version was better for any reason.  I just liked the game, motion controls included.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 27, 2012, 11:05:27 AM
Ah, gotcha. I can agree with you: too many titles did try to just shoehorn them in. I still maintain though that, properly done, they'll contribute to most titles.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 27, 2012, 07:30:42 PM
My attitude about the name is the same as always.  They go with something that is general enough that it has no negative association for any particular audience.  "Wii" = casual so it has to go.  Simple as that.  The Wii U is to be a TRUE "everyone" console.  Wii is not an everyone console it's a "lowest common denominator" console.  Calling it for "everyone" is like saying Justin Bieber is for "everyone".  No he ain't and if you wanted to form a band that truly had people of all ages coming to shows you would not make him your lead singer.

The Wii U should have a name that just sounds like some piece of electronics that plays videogames because that is what it is.  Note the iPod has not really been associated with any particular audience.  It's just seen as a portable music player that people of all ages with ANY taste in music use.  "Wii" fair or not is associated with a specific audience and if Nintendo wants more than that audience the successor needs a new name and needs to look different as well.  It's like how "Fisher-Price" means pre-school toys so Mattel doesn't put THAT brand name on Hot Wheels cars because it doesn't fly with that audience.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on January 28, 2012, 02:30:50 PM
They should call it CUBE TWO the second coming.
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Post by: UncleBob on January 28, 2012, 03:08:08 PM
It's like how "Fisher-Price" means pre-school toys so Mattel doesn't put THAT brand name on Hot Wheels cars because it doesn't fly with that audience.
(http://di1-1.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/18/a0/28/42827326-260x260-0-0_Fisher+Price+Smart+Cycle+8482+Hot+Wheels+Software.jpg)
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Post by: Stogi on January 28, 2012, 03:30:45 PM
Someone got SERVEDDD!!!

They should call it The Cube Strikes Back.

The Constantly Cubed Gardener.

How to Train Your Cube.

Wicker CUbe.
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Post by: Lithium on January 28, 2012, 03:32:23 PM
Cube Training
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 28, 2012, 03:59:01 PM
Nintendo Hypercube

3D? That's so 2011. We're taking it to 4.
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Post by: Stogi on January 28, 2012, 05:02:24 PM
Deja Cube

John Cube

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 28, 2012, 05:46:43 PM
But the system isn't cube shaped (unless its been radically redesigned since last year).
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Post by: Snake-Arms on January 29, 2012, 10:34:18 AM
Video Advanced Gaming Interactive Nintendo Arcade System

Heterosexual males and homosexual females the world over rejoice over such a clever name.  And it would practically sell itself with slogans like: "Everyone likes VAGINAS"
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Post by: Stogi on January 29, 2012, 11:52:33 AM
Check out my fancy new VAGINA
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2012, 12:44:55 PM
"Hey I just bought my daughter that new Nintendo for her 12th birthday. what was it called... Oh yeah, anyway, you guys wanna come over and check out her VAGINA? To be honest, I think I play with it more than she does. Even my wife plays a few touch games on it when she thinks no one is watching."


I don't see that happening.
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Post by: MegaByte on January 29, 2012, 02:22:30 PM
They don't have to go that far -- WiiJJ.
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Post by: Snake-Arms on January 29, 2012, 02:33:48 PM
Wow, way to take it WAY too far, BlackNMild  ::)

 :P:
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2012, 02:45:38 PM

Wow, way to take it WAY too far, BlackNMild  ::)

 :P: :
No, we must go deeper!!



NCS: This is Nintendo Customer Support, how may I help you.

You: Hi, uhh, I got a disc stick in my VAGINA

NCS: So your saying you can't get the disc out of your VAGINA?

You: Yes... that is exactly what I'm saying...

NCS: And this disc belongs to you?

You: No, it's my friends disc...

NCS: So you got your friends disc stuck in your VAGINA? *snicker*

You: Yeah... why is that so funny?

NCS: Did you slide the disc into your VAGINA correctly?

You: I think so....

NCS: Did you try to stuff anything else into the slot at the same time as the disc?

You: Well we tried to use tweezers to grab my friends di..... hey wait a minute!!?

NCS: BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHHA!!!

You: *click* :@
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Post by: Snake-Arms on January 29, 2012, 02:54:26 PM
Lmao

Endless hours of entertainment would ensue with such a name.

Petition? ;D
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Post by: Stogi on January 29, 2012, 03:07:45 PM
Endless hours of entertainment would ensue with such a name.

Actually, I'm pretty sure we've covered it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: cubist on January 29, 2012, 05:16:23 PM
Most games on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 don't reach the sales of the Just Dance games, so what? Ubisoft got a massive hit on their end with the franchise.

Motion controls work well when the developer puts effort into it, though a lot never did. What about Mii's? Sony and Microsoft like them enough to copy them.
Yes, MS and Sony don't have a lot of big games.  In fact, Nintendo had the biggest games early on and crushed MS and Sony this generation.  What's odd though is that Sony and MS gamers still get AAA titles and some of them turn into big games or big franchises.

I can only think of 2 games that motion controls helped: Wii Sports and No More Heroes.  God Father was also good but it's a port so I don't think that counts.  I don't blame Nintendo for the bad games they didn't make.  But a lot of Nintendo's games would have been better off using traditional controls.

...and here I was thinking that I was the only one who thought Godfather: Blackhand Edition had excellent motion controls.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 29, 2012, 07:52:36 PM
"Hey I just bought my daughter that new Nintendo for her 12th birthday. what was it called... Oh yeah, anyway, you guys wanna come over and check out her VAGINA? To be honest, I think I play with it more than she does. Even my wife plays a few touch games on it when she thinks no one is watching."


I don't see that happening.

You don't see that happening? Well, let me take your quote and tweak it a little bit.

"Hey I just bought my son that new Nintendo for his 12th birthday. what was it called... Oh yeah, anyway, you guys wanna come over and check out his Wii? To be honest, I think I play with it more than he does. Even my wife plays a few waggle games on it when she thinks no one is watching."

You guys are just joking with the VAGINAS, but its really not much different than the name Nintendo has already chosen and used.
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Post by: Stogi on January 29, 2012, 08:33:13 PM
Ok...that deserves a +1. I laughed.

Now how do I applaud you?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2012, 07:02:35 PM
I know people have been speculating that Resident Evil 6 could come to Wii U

I have it on good authority (not from the horses mouth, but from his jockey) that RE6 IS coming to Wii U.

I will see if I can find out more tomorrow. ;)




-----edit----------------------------


Just wanted to add 2 more rumors I just saw online that might be interesting to some of you


1. Nintendo is working on a speech recognition program that could be put into the Wii U and has already been testing it in Japan Schools using Cloud Storage and the DS
http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-29541_nintendo_travaille_sur_la_reconnaissance_vocale.htm (http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-29541_nintendo_travaille_sur_la_reconnaissance_vocale.htm)


2. Zelda 3DS is to be revealed at GDC 2012 (for a Xmas 2012 release?)
http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-29534_rumeur_le_nouveau_the_legend_of_zelda_3ds_revele_a_la_gdc_2012_.htm (http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-29534_rumeur_le_nouveau_the_legend_of_zelda_3ds_revele_a_la_gdc_2012_.htm)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 30, 2012, 08:40:32 PM
I know people have been speculating that Resident Evil 6 could come to Wii U

I have it on good authority (not from the horses mouth, but from his jockey) that RE6 IS coming to Wii U.

I will see if I can find out more tomorrow. ;)

I hope that woman's poor husband never finds out what you had to do to get that information. ;)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2012, 09:11:55 PM
What else should I try to find out ?

Give me questions to ask...

I will ask about any unknown features of Wii U
Monster Hunter 4 Wii U
a version of MvC coming to Wii U

What other games?

Feed me with ammo people.
I'm also gonna see if I can get me a guest pass to E3....
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Post by: bustin98 on January 30, 2012, 09:15:54 PM
Find out about the network capabilities of the Wii U, if RE6 is going to support 4 player co-op like it was briefly listed as on Microsoft's site.
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Post by: Ceric on January 31, 2012, 12:13:24 AM
What else should I try to find out ?

Give me questions to ask...

I will ask about any unknown features of Wii U
Monster Hunter 4 Wii U
a version of MvC coming to Wii U

What other games?

Feed me with ammo people.
I'm also gonna see if I can get me a guest pass to E3....
Anything about Megaman.
If Capcom is considering anything new for the system.
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Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2012, 01:02:02 AM
Most games on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 don't reach the sales of the Just Dance games, so what? Ubisoft got a massive hit on their end with the franchise.

Motion controls work well when the developer puts effort into it, though a lot never did. What about Mii's? Sony and Microsoft like them enough to copy them.
Yes, MS and Sony don't have a lot of big games.  In fact, Nintendo had the biggest games early on and crushed MS and Sony this generation.  What's odd though is that Sony and MS gamers still get AAA titles and some of them turn into big games or big franchises.

I can only think of 2 games that motion controls helped: Wii Sports and No More Heroes.  God Father was also good but it's a port so I don't think that counts.  I don't blame Nintendo for the bad games they didn't make.  But a lot of Nintendo's games would have been better off using traditional controls.

...and here I was thinking that I was the only one who thought Godfather: Blackhand Edition had excellent motion controls.


Count me in too. I'm not  violent man, but I loved smashing people into cash registers in that game... and strangling them... and kneeing them...
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Post by: nickmitch on January 31, 2012, 01:09:14 AM
What else should I try to find out ?

Give me questions to ask...

I will ask about any unknown features of Wii U
Monster Hunter 4 Wii U
a version of MvC coming to Wii U

What other games?

Feed me with ammo people.
I'm also gonna see if I can get me a guest pass to E3....

Why box-art MegaMan? Seriously. We'll we actually be seeing more of him?
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Post by: Caliban on January 31, 2012, 01:14:36 AM
Count me in too. I'm not  violent man, but I loved smashing people into cash registers in that game... and strangling them... and kneeing them...

Just embrace it, and step into the dark side of the force.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2012, 01:18:12 AM

What else should I try to find out ?

Give me questions to ask...

I will ask about any unknown features of Wii U
Monster Hunter 4 Wii U
a version of MvC coming to Wii U

What other games?

Feed me with ammo people.
I'm also gonna see if I can get me a guest pass to E3....

Why box-art MegaMan? Seriously. We'll we actually be seeing more of him?

I think I'll save that last one for when I hopefully meet or get to talk to him.
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Post by: Arbok on February 04, 2012, 10:56:54 PM
a version of MvC coming to Wii U

If you find out that a version of Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is coming to the Wii U, I will personally drive over to the East Bay to cut you a check...

...either that or continue to mention that the main site should create a feed for the news you mention here (one or the other).
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Post by: Ceric on February 04, 2012, 10:59:10 PM
Viewtiful Joe Remake for Wii U.  Be something I ask about.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 05, 2012, 02:28:56 AM
Or VJ3
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 05, 2012, 02:41:54 AM
Will WiiU get a Wiimake of Wiisident Wiivil 5?

Ask her that, and say it exactly as I just did.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2012, 02:49:22 AM
If you're going to **** up the name that badly for the joke, you should go all the way and call it Wiisident Wiivil Fwiive.

Imagine that said super-seriously over the main title, or conversely, by Charles Martinet's Mario voice like he reads 3D Mario game titles.
Title: Lady GaGa: The Experience!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2012, 09:44:54 PM
Lady GaGa to be the next Experience!?
and my only shock is that it didn't happen sooner
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-lady-gaga-the-experience-coming-to-kinect-and-wii-u (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-lady-gaga-the-experience-coming-to-kinect-and-wii-u)
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A source close to Dual Pixels has revealed a massive Ubisoft E3 2012 leak confirming Lady Gaga: The Experience as currently in development and set for release later this year across multiple platforms. Previous entries in the Experience franchise include Michael Jackson and Black Eyed Peas. The same source also revealed a pending Assassin's Creed and Splinter Cell (Next-Gen).
Rumored to be coming to just every 2012 platform.... (except maybe the 3DS?)
Wii/Wii U, 360/Kinect, PS3/Move & PS Vita




Oh my ears....... I already know I'm gonna have to buy it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 08, 2012, 01:54:11 AM
I'd like to see her in a survival horror game as the final boss you must defeat.
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Post by: Ceric on February 08, 2012, 02:16:50 PM
I'd like to see her in a survival horror game as the final boss you must defeat.
Just to find out you have just been a figment of her imagination all along.  You've always been in her head.  Haunting her Dreams.  For you are the Monster.
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Post by: noname2200 on February 08, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
I'd like to see her in a survival horror game as the final boss you must defeat.

If you lose, she wears a meat dress made out of you.
Title: Activision backing Nintendo Big in 2012 & 2013
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2012, 10:55:20 PM
Activision To Take Nintendo Seriously This Time Around!?
Don't want to miss the boat and watch EA sail off on it this time
http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/2012/02/08/activision-will-be-playing-an-important-role-on-all-nintendo-consoles-this-year-next/ (http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/2012/02/08/activision-will-be-playing-an-important-role-on-all-nintendo-consoles-this-year-next/)
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Nintendo Enthusiast has learned that Activision will be major ally to Nintendo in the upcoming months and years. When learning about Activision’s support for Nintendo we were told by an industry source to just wait and see because Activision will be playing an important role on ALL Nintendo consoles this year and the next.

So, does that mean the launch window, as well? Yes. You should anticipate Activision backing Nintendo during the launch of the Wii U as well as over the next few years. They are currently working on multiple titles for Nintendo systems. And not just a couple unrefined ports as they did with the Wii launch. Remember EA’s people up on stage at last E3′s Wii U introduction? Well Activision won’t let EA have Nintendo all to themselves. It might not be as pronounced as with EA but it will still be a key role for Nintendo.

tl:dr

Activision is going to be a major supporter of Nintendo this gen and plans on not only backing the Wii U at launch and beyond, but also putting major weight behind the 3DS too.

Ubisoft caught a free ride this gen and Acivision sees EA hitching it's wagon to Nintendo for next gen and does not want to be sitting on the side of the road while EA and Nintendo have all the fun.

It's more of what we've heard before, but if they really mean it, then I welcome them with open arms.
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Post by: Lithium on February 08, 2012, 11:05:00 PM
sounds cool but we hear this kind of stuff from developers every generation and allways end up like where we are now
Title: Epic Mickey 2 U?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2012, 11:10:41 PM
Epic Mickey 2 for Wii U?
https://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/status/167333535152218114 (https://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/status/167333535152218114)
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Apparently Junction Point is "implementing Wii U support for Epic Mickey 2." Not sure if that means WiiU SKU or Wii version supports tablet.

and Ubisoft was apparently working on a Wii U Launch title "MotionSports" before they closed the Vancouver studio.
https://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/status/167334519010103298 (https://twitter.com/#!/supererogatory/status/167334519010103298)
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Also, it sounds like Ubisoft Vancouver was working on a MotionSports WiiU launch title—now presumably dead—at the time of their closure.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on February 09, 2012, 01:19:10 AM
Launch fervor is an expected thing, especially now that the U-tab has nearly comparable controls to the competition. What I'm anxious about is third-party wares 2-4 years in the system's life, and that is something that nobody can know or predict at this point.

Still, it's nice to hear such talk even if it might prove cheap.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 09, 2012, 02:35:06 AM
It's more of what we've heard before, but if they really mean it, then I welcome them with open arms.

Its not enough that Activision supports Nintendo with casual shovelware. If that's what their "support" is going to be this time around, then I don't want it. A lot of 3rd parties "supported" the Wii after all; it just wasn't the kind of support that meant anything to core gamers. Until I see otherwise I will remain skeptical.
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Post by: Ceric on February 09, 2012, 10:44:15 AM
You know what Activision-Blizzard should put on the Wii U?


Diablo 3.

Out of the Big 3 from Blizzard, Diablo would be the best for a console.  That would be awesome.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2012, 12:24:02 PM
Activision actually was one of the few third parties who did support the Wii pretty well.  Guitar Hero and Call of Duty were their big franchises this gen and both appeared on the Wii.  There were concessions to be made regarding the hardware but no third party could avoid that.  We got the best Activision support I realistically could expect.

One thing that may help third party support is that because of the hardware difference third parties could not just port their existing multiplatform games easily.  Why would EA go to the trouble to make an on-rails shooter Dead Space if they could just port the main game?  Why would Namco make some shitty Soul Calibur spin-off if they could just port Soul Calibur IV?  They wanted to release some product but couldn't just include the Wii in multiplatform development so they gave us some spin-off made by their B team.  And those games sucked and we justifiably didn't buy them and the third parties just stopped bothering.  Unless Nintendo stupidly falls way behind in hardware again or their third party policies are so terrible that no one wants anything to do with them, we'll at least get the multiplatform games the other systems get in situations where this gen we instead got some crappy spin-off.

Activision is going to port every Call of Duty game to every platform available.  I'm sure they would prefer it if they just give us the same version Sony and MS are getting.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 09, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
Guitar Hero and Call of Duty were their big franchises this gen and both appeared on the Wii.

Activision is going to port every Call of Duty game to every platform available.

I see your point about Activision doing more to support the Wii with actual quality games than most 3rd parties. But it should be said that MW2 didn't come to the Wii. That was the biggest game of 2009, and completely absent from the Wii. COD 3, World at War, Black Ops, MW1/Reflex, and now MW3 all came to the Wii, but MW2 is a very noticeable absence. I guess that's probably more the fault of the developer Infinity Ward, though, than Activision.

It also needs to be said that we have not yet seen any COD game at all on the 3DS hardware. MW3 came out in November, so it could have been released on the 3DS. Maybe they just felt the install base isn't large enough yet to warrant the effort? Whatever the reason, I hope they will bring COD to it sooner or later. For the 3DS to become the de facto dominant handheld system, having the best selling series of all time on it is essential.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on February 09, 2012, 02:27:34 PM
Dear Activision,

I will be there on day 1 for COD Wii U, just like I was for every COD for the Wii.
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Post by: Stogi on February 09, 2012, 02:34:31 PM
I wouldn't get MW3. That game is a tragedy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on February 09, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
I wonder if COD will be the outrageous seller next gen as it is today. What was it last gen for home consoles GTA?

What ever the case I will undoubtedly get my first COD on Wii U and contribute to the madness.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 09, 2012, 03:05:26 PM
I wonder if COD will be the outrageous seller next gen as it is today. What was it last gen for home consoles GTA?

What ever the case I will undoubtedly get my first COD on Wii U and contribute to the madness.

GTA is still huge, in fact Michael Pachter (if you can believe anything he says) has said there is a good chance GTA V might dethrone COD this year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on February 09, 2012, 04:26:14 PM
With Resident Evil Revelations being as finacially successful as it is right now the chances of Resident Evil 6 being on the Wii U have went dramtically up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 09, 2012, 05:23:28 PM
I have been thinking about the Nintendo image problem and how sometimes "hardcore" games don't come over the Nintendo or don't sell well.  Everyone starts by blaming Nintendo for this...but actually I am beginning to think Developers have a lot of the blame.  From making games inferior on Nintendo's platform, from making the games come out after the other systems games have come out and basically making the games gimped.

Well developers, if you want to change the image of Nintendo for traditional gamers, it can easily be done at the launch of the Wii U.  Bring your A game from the beginning and don't just bring out ports of games already out. 

If Wii U launches with RE6, GTA 5, COD, Arkham City with some juicy exclusive content (several new levels and bosses)

And if Nintendo gets Pikmin, and a good racing game (F-Zero please)...We could have a fairly good launch lineup.

But if all we get is mini games again, and half arced crap...then developers you did this to yourself again.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 09, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
I remember when Reggie managed to talk Rockstar into making GTA: Chinatown wars on the DS. From what I understand the sales of that game failed to meet expectations, and consequently Rockstar later ported the game to the PSP. With that experience in mind, I wonder if Rockstar would ever be willing to bring a GTA game to Nintendo hardware again. By all rights the game should have sold better than it did. Its not like the DS doesn't have an enormous install base or anything...

I personally bought the game when it came out and it was an awesome game. It wasn't until recently that I was able to play GTA IV and compare the two, but aside from the graphics, the DS version does an extremely good job of replicating the experience in handheld form. So it was a great game. I can't think of any good reason why the game didn't sell better than it did. Maybe the marketing wasn't good enough. I don't know.
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Post by: noname2200 on February 09, 2012, 06:16:58 PM
I remember when Reggie managed to talk Rockstar into making GTA: Chinatown wars on the DS. From what I understand the sales of that game failed to meet expectations, and consequently Rockstar later ported the game to the PSP. With that experience in mind, I wonder if Rockstar would ever be willing to bring a GTA game to Nintendo hardware again. By all rights the game should have sold better than it did. Its not like the DS doesn't have an enormous install base or anything...

I personally bought the game when it came out and it was an awesome game. It wasn't until recently that I was able to play GTA IV and compare the two, but aside from the graphics, the DS version does an extremely good job of replicating the experience in handheld form. So it was a great game. I can't think of any good reason why the game didn't sell better than it did. Maybe the marketing wasn't good enough. I don't know.

If memory serves, the two PSP GTA ports prior to CT did pretty well, but CT itself sold like octogenarian porn at a pedo convention. I'm glad you enjoyed it, but judging from the game's sales across all systems, you're in the minority. Not a huge surprise though, since it harkened back to the style of the first two titles, whereas the series only got big starting with the shift in III.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2012, 06:44:07 PM
I remember when Reggie managed to talk Rockstar into making GTA: Chinatown wars on the DS. From what I understand the sales of that game failed to meet expectations, and consequently Rockstar later ported the game to the PSP. With that experience in mind, I wonder if Rockstar would ever be willing to bring a GTA game to Nintendo hardware again. By all rights the game should have sold better than it did. Its not like the DS doesn't have an enormous install base or anything...

I personally bought the game when it came out and it was an awesome game. It wasn't until recently that I was able to play GTA IV and compare the two, but aside from the graphics, the DS version does an extremely good job of replicating the experience in handheld form. So it was a great game. I can't think of any good reason why the game didn't sell better than it did. Maybe the marketing wasn't good enough. I don't know.

Personally I wasn't in the mood for a DS GTA.  I wanted the REAL GTA games on the Wii.  Handheld versions of popular consoles series always come across as unessential filler product, even if they turn out decent.  When Nintendo fans said "we want GTA" what they were saying was "hey, we're missing out on this series which is on every system but the Gamecube (and then later the Wii).  What the ****, Nintendo?"  Reggie interpreted this as a GTA game on the DS.  Who the **** wanted that?  Hell, there was a GTA Advance but exactly ZERO Nintendo fans were satisfied by that.  The DS has good third party support and we're cool with it.  But the Wii is getting jerked around like the Gamecube was with numerous games coming to Sony's and Microsoft's console but not ours.

Chinatown Wars came across as a token effort to pacify fans complaining about weak third party support.  It was not what I wanted and it could have gotten perfect 10s all around and I still would not have bought it because I buy what I WANT not what Nintendo or Rockstar decides to give me.  I didn't buy Dead Space: Extraction for the same reason.  In retrospect I probably would have felt the same about The Twin Snakes on the Gamecube (PS2 gets a new MGS and we get a prettier port of a PS1 game, what the ****?) but at the time I had not been worn out by this kind of nonsense yet.

Reggie blew Nintendo's big chance to be chummy with Rockstar by asking for a game no one wanted.  He should have gotten a Wii GTA game made - one that plays like the main GTA series.  And even if he did that he should have done it years before when everyone who wanted GTA on a Nintendo system had not already given up on the Wii and bought another system.  Timing is everything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 09, 2012, 07:53:14 PM
Personally I wasn't in the mood for a DS GTA.  I wanted the REAL GTA games on the Wii.  Handheld versions of popular consoles series always come across as unessential filler product, even if they turn out decent.
I respectfully disagree with this statement. It sounds more like your issue is with handheld games being on a handheld than the actual games being "unessential filler."
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When Nintendo fans said "we want GTA" what they were saying was "hey, we're missing out on this series which is on every system but the Gamecube (and then later the Wii).  What the ****, Nintendo?"  Reggie interpreted this as a GTA game on the DS.  Who the **** wanted that?
I really don't think that's how it went down. What Reggie did was nothing short of a miracle. The alternative was nothing. Of course, he would have wanted a major seller like GTA on the Wii. He's a businessman and GTA is a big deal. I'd bet the issue came up but he has no say in what Rockstar develops. Selling Rockstar on releasing a game on the more popular and cheaper to develop for DS was probably the backbone of Reggie's pitch. It was that or nothing. Reggie was probably banking on Nintendo fans to support the game which would give him leverage in negotiating a Wii title. If there was an audience for mature titles on Nintendo hardware (which seems to be a major concern for 3rd parties), Reggie would have some leverage in negotiating a more expensive production.

There's a limit to what one man can accomplish when the odds are stacked so highly against him. You said Reggie should have "gotten them to make a Wii game." How? Unless he convinced Iwata to fund the game for Rockstar, that was probably not going to happen. Using DS as a springboard for future support was a logical tactic. It just didn't work because despite the quality of Chinatown Wars, the game didn't sell well enough.

I wouldn't be surprised if Reggie negotiated GTA V for Wii U. The console has at least a year or 2 with comparable hardware specs. Rockstar doesn't have to make an entirely separate game for Nintendo nor does Reggie have to sell them on making one. Selling Rockstar on a port of the game should be easy for a businessman of Reggie's caliber. It's low risk, high reward. Core Nintendo fans need to respond by supporting these games. I know I will. I plan on getting Wii U at launch and even though I have a PS3, I'll probably pick up a Wii U version granted one is available.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on February 09, 2012, 08:29:41 PM
Dear Rockstar,

I will be there Day 1 for GTA 5 Wii U.

P.S. I'm sorry I didn't buy GTA:CTW for the DS...
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 09, 2012, 08:37:51 PM
Dear Rockstar,

I really want to see GTA on the Wii U.

PS.  I won't buy it but that is because I hate the series...
BUT I know other people will buy it, HONEST!!!

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on February 09, 2012, 09:33:15 PM
i bought GTA CTW, it was good but i almost didnt buy it since I (and im pretty sure most nintendo fans) wanted a 3-d GTA in the style they had since 3 and not the top down 2-d ones on the wii.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 09, 2012, 09:57:14 PM
I played the original GTA, and had fun for about 5 minutes before I got bored. I am not a fan of the top-down GTA, which is one of the reasons I didn't buy the DS game (or GBA one). I would strongly consider getting the Wii U version of GTA V if there is one (unless the Xbox 360 version is better).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 10, 2012, 04:55:49 AM
Chinatown Wars came across as a token effort

Ian, you said yourself you weren't interested in it just because it was on the DS so I take that to mean you never even played it, so with all due respect you are speaking about something you don't know anything about. I can assure you it was not a "token effort". Chinatown Wars is (or at least was at the time it was released) the largest DS game ever made. The huge map of Liberty City is there. It really pushed the envelope of what the DS hardware was capable of.

Did it have as good graphics as GTA IV on the PS360? No, it didn't. But there was no possible way it could because the hardware couldn't do it, but Rockstar did the best they could, and if you can get past the graphics and lack of voice overs, it really is a good game with a decent story. I have read customer reviews of the game on amazon and there were a lot of people who couldn't get past the graphics and bashed the game solely for that reason. Maybe you are one of them, and if so you probably should avoid the game, but if you can look past that and if you are a GTA fan then you seriously should give the game a chance. I'm sure you can pick it up for cheap these days.

He should have gotten a Wii GTA game made

It would have been pretty much the same thing. The Wii is capable of better graphics than the DS, but it still would have been inferior to the PS360 version. There is also the matter of the controls, which you would probably complain about.

Ian, have you ever played the Godfather on the Wii? That's probably the best sandbox game available for the Wii. Its not GTA, but hell maybe its even better than GTA.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 10, 2012, 07:08:13 AM
Adrock's right here: if Reggie could have gotten a Wii GTA he would have. It wasn't a choice between DS and Wii; it was a choice between DS and nothing. People (especially Ian) need to be careful with false dichotomies. These are complex situations, and it's very rare that it boils down to an either-or choice; sometimes Nintendo has to settle for the best they can get.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ejamer on February 10, 2012, 09:06:07 AM
Wow. GTA Chinatown haters out in force.


It's a shame that so many self-proclaimed gamers skipped a top-notch game that garnered consistent critical acclaim (#1 on DS according to Metacritic) because "they weren't in the mood" or were turned off by the graphical style. Going even further to suggest that Chinatown Wars was a "token effort" instead of a serious attempt by Rockstar to create a great version of one of their biggest IPs that would fit the platform limitations is laughable - especially coming from people who didn't bother to play the game.


Normally I'd say it's your loss for missing out on something special... but since Rockstar is unlikely to give two twits about Nintendo systems going forward due to abysmal sales of the games they have released previously, it might be a loss for me too.



If memory serves, the two PSP GTA ports prior to CT did pretty well, but CT itself sold like octogenarian porn at a pedo convention. I'm glad you enjoyed it, but judging from the game's sales across all systems, you're in the minority. Not a huge surprise though, since it harkened back to the style of the first two titles, whereas the series only got big starting with the shift in III.


Sales of Chinatown Wars on PSP were terrible by all accounts, but weren't the strong sales of earlier GTA games related to hacks that allowed gamers to unlock their PSP systems for piracy?  I vaguely remember hearing something about that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on February 10, 2012, 12:26:17 PM

Sales of Chinatown Wars on PSP were terrible by all accounts, but weren't the strong sales of earlier GTA games related to hacks that allowed gamers to unlock their PSP systems for piracy?  I vaguely remember hearing something about that.

I've never heard that, but that doesn't mean it's not true. I'm skeptical though, because while that might explain the success of one of the ports, it wouldn't really explain the other port.



And as an aside for the general conversation, I'm also unsure why anyone would think that Nintendo, or Reggie specifically, passed on a Wii GTA in favor of a DS one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 10, 2012, 12:28:49 PM
I'm just sick of spin-offs of existing franchises made specifically for the "Nintendo audience".  The Wii was full of that crap and Nintendo fans became hostile to that sort of thing really quick.  Remember the huge fuss about Dead Space: Extraction?  Those that play it say it's good but that game was doomed the second it was announced.  The rumour started off as if Dead Space was being ported to the Wii.  Then it became a spin-off and interest waned and then it was revealed to be an on-rails shooter and things got hostile.  We were sick of getting the on-rails shooter spin-off instead of the real thing.  It didn't matter that the reviews were positive or that those that played it said it was good.  The very idea was offensive and insulting.

Chinatown Wars is the same idea.  We don't get the REAL GTA, we get a special spin-off made just for us.  That **** comes across as incredibly patronizing like Nintendo fans aren't capable of playing "real" games and have to have our own game suited for our specific needs.  By the time Chinatown Wars came out the idea of getting a Nintendo-only spin-off was insulting and the reaction was immediately hostile.  When it was debuted at whatever E3 it was the reaction was REALLY negative.  We were sick of having special Nintendo-only products and missing out on the real deal.  No one wanted Chinatown Wars.  It represents everything that pissed us off about third parties this gen, regardless of quality.

Maybe Reggie didn't screw up but Rockstar did by not realizing the hostility for third parties that this "for the Nintendo audience" philosophy had created.  Any third party that is stupid enough to try the same crap on the Wii U is going to have a big bomb on their hands.  The well is poisoned.  You give us some special Wii U version while everyone else gets the "real" game and we're going to throw it back in your face.  We get either the real deal or an exclusive that has no equivalent on the other systems.  Nothing else is acceptable and I am certain nothing else will sell.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 10, 2012, 01:07:49 PM
Chinatown Wars is not an on-rails shooter, or anything analogous to that. It faithfully recreates the GTA gameplay (albeit in top down perspective) as best as it possibly can on the platform. I guess it would be correct to call it a "spin off", but in this case that's not a negative thing. True, Rockstar could have done GTA IV on the DS using the same engine as Chinatown Wars and with the same story and all that, but that would have probably sold even worse because its the same thing most GTA fans already played just with worse graphics. Chinatown Wars is the same setting and gameplay, but with a fresh new story involving a different set of characters. So there is a reason to get it even if you had already played and beaten GTA IV.

BTW, Mario is technically a spin off of Donkey Kong. No one would argue Mario sucks and never should have gotten his own game. So why argue that Huang and the gang from Chinatown wars being a spinoff is a bad thing? Spinoffs aren't necessarily a negative thing. In some cases, spin offs are even better than the original thing they spun from. Another example would be the Simpsons which is a spin off of the Tracy Ullman show... or the Jeffersons which was a spin off of All in the Family.

I agree with your point about on rails shooters, because in cases like that the actual genre of the game is completely transformed. The gameplay is no longer the same. But Chinatown wars isn't like that. It legitimately deserves to be called a real GTA game, and I'm saying this as someone who has played both that and GTA IV. Obviously compromises were made in order for the game to work on the inferior hardware, but it still plays the same.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on February 10, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
I usually pride myself on being part of the solution instead of part of the problem with regards to third party sales on Nintendo platforms. Along these lines I've been rewarded with fun times playing Far Cry, Godfather, Red Steel 2, House of the Dead: Overkill and Dead Space Extraction. But not buying and playing GTA chinatown wars is a blemish on my record... I can't say exactly why! It just never seemed to... capture my excitement.

Could someone describe the gameplay mechanics and narrative themes of the game? Maybe late is netter than never...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 10, 2012, 02:38:11 PM
Chozo I'm not saying the game is crap, I'm just saying the very nature of it made it a product no one wanted.  Ignore quality, ignore stuff like how Mario is a spin-off of Donkey Kong.  All through this generation Nintendo fans don't get the real thing, we get spin-offs.  By the time Chinatown Wars was announced we were all sick of that ****.  We got burned too often by shitty product made "for the Nintendo audience".  Chinatown Wars was doomed to fail because of the resentment towards third party spin-offs that had built-up over the years.

Another thing to note is that Chinatown Wars was the lone carrot given to core gamers at the infamous Wii Music E3.  Never had Nintendo so utterly pissed off their fanbase.  Unfortunate timing on Rockstar's part (and nothing they could do about it).  At that E3 Nintendo basically told core gamers, the very audience for GTA, that Nintendo didn't care about them.  That's the moment Nintendo lost the core gamers.  So Reggie makes this deal with Rockstar to get this game made and at the E3 it debuts at he scares away the whole target audience.  That whole E3 lineup was grouped together and soundly rejected as a whole.  Core gamers were so upset about Wii Music that the GTA news was lost in the background.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 10, 2012, 02:47:26 PM
Ignore quality, ignore stuff like how Mario is a spin-off of Donkey Kong.  All through this generation Nintendo fans don't get the real thing, we get spin-offs.
How can one ignore something like quality? That's the entire point of a product designed to entertain. There's nothing wrong with a spin-off so long as it's fun.
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Post by: Kairon on February 10, 2012, 02:50:11 PM
Dude. I LOVE WII MUSIC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 10, 2012, 03:10:59 PM
Ignore quality, ignore stuff like how Mario is a spin-off of Donkey Kong.  All through this generation Nintendo fans don't get the real thing, we get spin-offs.
How can one ignore something like quality? That's the entire point of a product designed to entertain. There's nothing wrong with a spin-off so long as it's fun.

How can someone ignore something like quality?  It happens all the time!  All sorts of great stuff sells poorly and we're talking about sales here.
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Post by: Adrock on February 10, 2012, 03:21:43 PM
/sigh

That's not the point. Allow me to rephrase the question: How can one ignore something like quality in this discussion? You're railing against spin-offs because they're spinoffs as if there's something wrong with the game because it's a spinoff. I disagree. You're telling us (specifically Chozo) to ignore the quality of these games but one can't separate the quality of something because that is tied directly to its value. It's not about sales; it's about how good it is as a product.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on February 10, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
I think Ian is saying that a product's subjective value to potential consumers has more to it than impartial quality, or pure fun. It could be rejected as a matter of principle (How dare they sell me a taco salad when I've been asking for tacos!) or simple disinterest (I like tacos, but am not interested in trying a taco salad). The disconnect doesn't come from the product per se, but originates in the mind of the person evaluating it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MagicCow64 on February 10, 2012, 04:30:55 PM
I'm just sick of spin-offs of existing franchises made specifically for the "Nintendo audience".  The Wii was full of that crap and Nintendo fans became hostile to that sort of thing really quick.  Remember the huge fuss about Dead Space: Extraction?  Those that play it say it's good but that game was doomed the second it was announced.  The rumour started off as if Dead Space was being ported to the Wii.  Then it became a spin-off and interest waned and then it was revealed to be an on-rails shooter and things got hostile.  We were sick of getting the on-rails shooter spin-off instead of the real thing.  It didn't matter that the reviews were positive or that those that played it said it was good.  The very idea was offensive and insulting.

Chinatown Wars is the same idea.  We don't get the REAL GTA, we get a special spin-off made just for us.  That **** comes across as incredibly patronizing like Nintendo fans aren't capable of playing "real" games and have to have our own game suited for our specific needs.  By the time Chinatown Wars came out the idea of getting a Nintendo-only spin-off was insulting and the reaction was immediately hostile.  When it was debuted at whatever E3 it was the reaction was REALLY negative.  We were sick of having special Nintendo-only products and missing out on the real deal.  No one wanted Chinatown Wars.  It represents everything that pissed us off about third parties this gen, regardless of quality.

Maybe Reggie didn't screw up but Rockstar did by not realizing the hostility for third parties that this "for the Nintendo audience" philosophy had created.  Any third party that is stupid enough to try the same crap on the Wii U is going to have a big bomb on their hands.  The well is poisoned.  You give us some special Wii U version while everyone else gets the "real" game and we're going to throw it back in your face.  We get either the real deal or an exclusive that has no equivalent on the other systems.  Nothing else is acceptable and I am certain nothing else will sell.

I have to jump in here and say that I've played Dead Space 1, 2, and Extraction, and Extraction is my favorite. The main series is incredibly linear, so it's not like the on-rails aspect of Extraction was entirely sacrilegious. Extraction also had one of the only genuinely surprising video game narratives in memory, as you have no idea if your character will die or not, kind of an essential element of horror narrative.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 10, 2012, 04:31:05 PM
I usually pride myself on being part of the solution instead of part of the problem with regards to third party sales on Nintendo platforms. Along these lines I've been rewarded with fun times playing Far Cry, Godfather, Red Steel 2, House of the Dead: Overkill and Dead Space Extraction. But not buying and playing GTA chinatown wars is a blemish on my record... I can't say exactly why! It just never seemed to... capture my excitement.

Could someone describe the gameplay mechanics and narrative themes of the game? Maybe late is netter than never...

If you've never played a GTA game before, the objective is basically steal cars and deal drugs and murder people. That's why the series is so controversial and always carries an M rating. Its pretty much the same sort of game as the Godfather, so if you like that game you would probably like GTA also.

At this point buying or not buying the game probably isn't going to have any impact at all in influencing Rockstar one way or another to bring further games to Nintendo platforms, but you should check the game out if you are so inclined. You can probably get it now for maybe $19.99 or so.

Godfather Blackhand ediiton was an awesome game and it showed that a GTA style sandbox game could work on the Wii. It was also fun that you could use the motion controls to strangle people to death. It made the experience of killing people alot more immersive than just mashing buttons. ;) That's how motion based games should be... instead of that casual waggle crap. If the Wii had a lot more games like that then it probably wouldn't have ended up losing the hardcore crowd.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 10, 2012, 04:43:38 PM
The First 2 GTA's where just about stealing cars really.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on February 10, 2012, 04:57:01 PM
More depressing TMNT news. It appears that there is a rumour going around that the developers of Arkham City are not working on a TMNT game after all. If so, what a bummer. Can the TMNT games ever come back into the lime light?
 
http://kotaku.com/5883797/arkham-city-makers-arent-making-a-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-game (http://kotaku.com/5883797/arkham-city-makers-arent-making-a-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-game)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on February 10, 2012, 06:00:19 PM
The First 2 GTA's where just about stealing cars really.

And making man-meat hot dogs. That particular Grand Theft Auto 2 mission always stuck with me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on February 10, 2012, 06:17:09 PM
I don't think that buying a game you don't want or like is a good way to get a game you do want or like to come to a system you own. That sounds like a hostage situation. "Buy this game and maybe, just maybe, we'll give you what you want."

I will be there on day 1 for COD Wii U, just like I was for every COD for the Wii.
Why didn't you join the online community?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on February 10, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
I don't think that buying a game you don't want or like is a good way to get a game you do want or like to come to a system you own. That sounds like a hostage situation. "Buy this game and maybe, just maybe, we'll give you what you want."

I agree, I don't think people should buy games they expressly don't intend to find value in playing. But I do wish gamers were more adventurous and open to different game experiences and innovations, regardless of whether that come in the shape of an FPS or on-rails shooter.

Why didn't you join the online community?

I bought on day 1, but it went straight into my backlog. Also, pvp isn't my strongsuit. Also, my internet situation right now is sort of sketchy and laggy and not 24/7.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 10, 2012, 10:09:20 PM
I hear all the talk about people and their backlogs, and it makes me realize just how expensive and time consuming his hobby is.  There are fans that can't play everything they want to play...and more and more games are released. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on February 10, 2012, 11:24:00 PM
Yeah. The tie ratio is what, 6.6 for the Wii? 8.8 for the XBox 360? I remember growing up getting new SNES games was always a big event, something that conceivably happened only during Christmas or Birthdays. I figure that's closer to mean average experience than this really aggressive pursuit of gaming I've undertaken ever since I started making my own income.

I'd like to think that getting only a Nintendo console and playing only Nintendo games would be a pretty decent outcome if you only ever bought one or two games a year like numbers suggest normal people do.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 11, 2012, 09:59:38 AM
I hear all the talk about people and their backlogs, and it makes me realize just how expensive and time consuming his hobby is.  There are fans that can't play everything they want to play...and more and more games are released. 
I've done the math.  For me it works out that gaming is still much cheaper then most hobbies.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on February 11, 2012, 09:24:24 PM
I hear all the talk about people and their backlogs, and it makes me realize just how expensive and time consuming his hobby is.  There are fans that can't play everything they want to play...and more and more games are released. 
I've done the math.  For me it works out that gaming is still much cheaper then most hobbies.

I think you need to double check your work, buddy. Probably forgot to carry the 1 somewhere.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 11, 2012, 09:27:41 PM
More depressing TMNT news. It appears that there is a rumour going around that the developers of Arkham City are not working on a TMNT game after all. If so, what a bummer. Can the TMNT games ever come back into the lime light?
 
http://kotaku.com/5883797/arkham-city-makers-arent-making-a-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-game (http://kotaku.com/5883797/arkham-city-makers-arent-making-a-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-game)

It's not a rumor, the developers themselves are saying they are NOT making the game. That is straight from the horses mouth.
Title: Samaritan on Wii U?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2012, 09:42:11 PM
Released by Epic:
http://www.gamespot.com/unreal-1990/videos/tim-sweeney-dice-2012-session-6350144/ (http://www.gamespot.com/unreal-1990/videos/tim-sweeney-dice-2012-session-6350144/)
(http://www.abload.de/img/samaritanprocessingrel3yqn.png)

and since the Wii U is rumored to be over 1 TFLOP (about 1.2 or a little more)
then technically (or theoretically) the Wii U should be able to not only run UE4 but run the Samaritan demo @ 720p without issue.

and that also falls right in with the IGN rumor of Wii U being 5X the power of the X360 too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 11, 2012, 11:25:00 PM
I hear all the talk about people and their backlogs, and it makes me realize just how expensive and time consuming his hobby is.  There are fans that can't play everything they want to play...and more and more games are released. 
I've done the math.  For me it works out that gaming is still much cheaper then most hobbies.

I think you need to double check your work, buddy. Probably forgot to carry the 1 somewhere.
Nope, don't need to.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on February 12, 2012, 01:14:40 AM
I hear all the talk about people and their backlogs, and it makes me realize just how expensive and time consuming his hobby is.  There are fans that can't play everything they want to play...and more and more games are released. 
I've done the math.  For me it works out that gaming is still much cheaper then most hobbies.

I think you need to double check your work, buddy. Probably forgot to carry the 1 somewhere.
Nope, don't need to.

I did the math once too, and at the end I didn't feel that guilty. I spend more on videogames than the average person, but if I compile my expenses annually and see where the rest of my money is going, I easily see that I have other expenses that impact my finances on a far greater scale than videogames.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on February 12, 2012, 02:54:23 AM
I hear all the talk about people and their backlogs, and it makes me realize just how expensive and time consuming his hobby is.  There are fans that can't play everything they want to play...and more and more games are released. 
I've done the math.  For me it works out that gaming is still much cheaper then most hobbies.

I think you need to double check your work, buddy. Probably forgot to carry the 1 somewhere.
Nope, don't need to.

I have a lot of hobbies and most of them are damn near free. The only thing I can think that I have devoted more money to is my musical equipment. I paint, that's hardly expensive. I run, I bought $200 shoes like 2 years ago. I ride my bike, that was $400 about 10 years ago. I have a pretty extensive CD/Vinyl collection that's probably worth more than my game collection, but cost far less. The only reason I spend money on books is because I found a bloody scab about the size of a GameCube disc in a library book once (and seriously **** that!), otherwise that would be free too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on February 12, 2012, 10:55:43 AM
gaming actually has very good value for money, the only thing is you have to be content with waiting about 3-6 months after the game comes out for the price to fall off a cliff. In fact if you have a backlog that means you're saving money believe it or not since you're buying games months or years after it came out and you're getting games for dirt cheap. This generation i only bought a Wii, and when the ps4 and xbox 3 come out im getting a 360 and ps3 and will enjoy playing through my backlog of games from those systems at a steep discount. I mean just because the game is a few months old doesn't mean it stops being a good game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 12, 2012, 12:00:41 PM
Not every game gets cheaper, though. Some go out of print and become hard to find and the price skyrockets. A good example of that would be Metroid Prime Trilogy, and Radiant Historia (before the reprint). When it comes to games like that if you wait for them to become cheaper you are waiting in vain.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on February 12, 2012, 12:55:15 PM
A bloody scab the size of a gamecube disc inside a library book? Where they using it as a bookmark? What book was it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on February 12, 2012, 01:07:18 PM
I think how much a hobby costs really depends on your dedication to it. Buying one necessary object and using it over an extensive period of time isn't really what most dedicated hobbyists do. I would assume cyclists are frequently checking out new helmets, clothes, tires and even whole new bikes all while maintaining the stuff they already have. It's like photography. Yeah, you can be a "photographer" with your $300 point and shoot or you can be really serious about it and buy $3000 cameras, spend hundreds on lenses and film, buy all sorts of editing software and pay for expensive printings and frames.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on February 12, 2012, 01:49:25 PM
The only reason I spend money on books is because I found a bloody scab about the size of a GameCube disc in a library book once (and seriously **** that!), otherwise that would be free too.

F***... that's where I put that.  I've been looking all over for it.

Anyway, for anyone who doesn't think gaming is an expensive hobby... you're doing it wrong. :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on February 12, 2012, 06:16:58 PM
Bob, I think you're way past "hobby" at this point.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on February 12, 2012, 09:09:11 PM
Not every game gets cheaper, though. Some go out of print and become hard to find and the price skyrockets. A good example of that would be Metroid Prime Trilogy, and Radiant Historia (before the reprint). When it comes to games like that if you wait for them to become cheaper you are waiting in vain.


yeah i agree, which is why atlus games are the only ones i bother with preordering, same deal with xenoblade.  It was pretty clear that prime trillogy was a limited release. However even if you have to spend full price on one or two games on your backlog (and really at this point you could skimp on it and get one in working but poor condition for less if you just want to play it) the net savings are still there since rising prices are definitely an outlier and not the norm
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 12, 2012, 09:13:55 PM
Its hard to believe now, but there was a brief time when Metroid Trilogy was clearanced out of stores for prices like $19.99. This was back in late 2009, which is ancient history now. If I knew then what I know now I would have bought every copy I could find.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on February 12, 2012, 11:34:30 PM
Its hard to believe now, but there was a brief time when Metroid Trilogy was clearanced out of stores for prices like $19.99. This was back in late 2009, which is ancient history now. If I knew then what I know now I would have bought every copy I could find.

same
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ejamer on February 13, 2012, 09:18:29 AM
Its hard to believe now, but there was a brief time when Metroid Trilogy was clearanced out of stores for prices like $19.99. This was back in late 2009, which is ancient history now. If I knew then what I know now I would have bought every copy I could find.


This price drop never happened in Canada. I was waiting and hoping for a price drop... but then supply dried up and you couldn't find the game any more. At that point I jumped in and bought a couple of copies for retail price online.


In the end the game was worth paying full price for anyway.  (Heck, if you bought a closet full of copies at full price back in the day you'd still be making out like a bandit on the second-hand market today.  Prices for sealed copies of this game are nuts.)
Title: Rumor Consolidation 2012
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 14, 2012, 01:47:09 AM
Rumor Consolidation 2012

October 2011:
-Luigi's Mansion 2 slide pad compatible? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg700132#msg700132) That would make it the only 1st party game so far that is...
-Some Sonic Dimensions Rumors and Details(?) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg703220#msg703220); Sega Dev [laughs] and says "*Hoax* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723280#msg723280)"

November 2011:
-Silicon Knights working on Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705588#msg705588); it's the only "requested" title from them that I can think of.
-Revised Wiimote w/touchscreen mentioned in Sonic Dimensions rumor? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg704076#msg704076) yet another wiimote attachment? :/
-Wii U to support 2 tablets!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg704840#msg704840) they never said it wouldn't, but anything confirming that it will is good news in my book.
-Is EA gunning to be the sole Digital Distributor for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705558#msg705558); Trying to get any edge over Steam that it can.
-Wii U Dev Kits have atleast 2 GB of RAM (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg706351#msg706351); it was also mentioned that it was tri-core dual threaded Power based CPU & GPU around 1.2 TFlops
-DQVII or FFVII 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg707251#msg707251) - Something about 7th entry of popular JRP released 6 months after spinoff....
-AMD's GCN Graphics Core a possibilty for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708338#msg708338); Graphics Core Next & GameCube Nintendo... surely it's just a coincedence

December 2011
-Xenoblade April 2012 in the US? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708587#msg708587); Operation Rainfall would like to take credit for this one...
-Wii U Specs: 768MB of eDRAM & 3Ghz QCore PPC? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708741#msg708741); I call BS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708752#msg708752) on this one... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708859#msg708859) but we will know soon enough.
-Real Wii U App Store!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg712565#msg712565); I can't wait for Angry Birds & Customizable clocks...
-EPIC Mickey 2 - Fall 2012 (Multi-plat & Co-op) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg712588#msg712588); I hope it's an improvement over the original (which I own and still have yet to play :P: : : : : :  )

January 2012
-Wii U eReader & iOS Apps!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg713004#msg713004); Taking on Apple head to head? You have my sword.
-Sega All-Star Racing 2? Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715600#msg715600) - was the first one any good? serious question. I've never played it.
-Nintendo's Online Network to revival Live & PSN!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715658#msg715658); Now your taking on MS & Sony head on too? You have my shield.
-Rocksteady Studios (Batman AA/AC) making a new TMNT game!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715797#msg715797); As long as it includes Bebop, we approve.
-New Wii U Dev Kits More Powerful than expected. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715798#msg715798); Now we are playing with POWER!!
-Retro Studios working on StarFox Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715904#msg715904); I'd rather them work on something else, but I'm not mad if it's true.
-Wii U = 5X360!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719089#msg719089); Let's hope IGN gets it right this time.
-Nintendo renaming the Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg716335#msg716335); No. they will not call is Super Wii. Stop It Kytim.
-Resident Evil 6 is coming to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg717101#msg717101); I'm the source on this one... a very pretty birdie told me.
-Nintendo using voice recognition software in Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg717101#msg717101); I hope it's comparable to this Siri I keep hearing so much about
-Zelda 3DS to be unveiled at GDC 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg717101#msg717101); So soon after SS?

February 2012
-Lady GaGa: The Experience!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718197#msg718197); My ears will bleed, but I'll have no choice but to buy it (not for me)
-Activision backing Nintendo Big in 2012 & 2013 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718303#msg718303); Time to walk the walk this time
-Epic Mickey 2 U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718305#msg718305); Looks like it could be headed to Wii U now
-Samaritan on Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718736#msg718736); @ 720p if rumors of power are to be believed.
-HD & 3D uMote screen!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719567#msg719567); I know it was speculated before, but this is a whole new patent
-CoD: BlOps2 is this years CoD title? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719711#msg719711); if it is, it will be on Wii U no doubt.
-Activision Working On Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Game? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719782#msg719782); Do they have a studio by the name Bebop?
-Pokemon B&W Sequel to be announced this Week!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720052#msg720052); Pokemon Grey incoming? *Confirmed* Pokemon B&W2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37097.msg720936#msg720936)
-Nintendo to make Wii U a media centerpiece!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720529#msg720529) Taking a page from Xbox Live's playbook? Sounds good to me.
-CryEngine Wii U Demo @ GDC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720711#msg720711); Rumor is that they can't wait to show it off. Fact is that I can't wait to see it.
-Time Splitters 4, Overstrike & Dead Space Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720904#msg720904); Add the sports titles and EA is not playing around this time.
-No Xbox720 till maybe 2014 & PS3 to come in 2013!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721397#msg721397); So says the same source as RE6 on Wii U...
-$299 Wii U @ launch? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721567#msg721567); This rumor is from the same place that said 768MB embeded DRAM in Wii U. Salt Lick needed.

March 2012
-Nintendo tweaked Wii U to run Unreal Engine 4 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg722856#msg722856); Caterkiller knows the source, so direct your questions at him ;)
-Donkey Kong 3D in the works for 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg722869#msg722869); GameStop seems to thinks so... Now GameStop says *NO* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723170#msg723170)
-3 New IP's @ E3 for Nintendo? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723117#msg723117); and 10 Nintendo titles @ E3 + 70 3rd Party games in development!
-AMD has been working on Wii U GPU since atleast June 2009? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723379#msg723379); and possibly with IBM all while in India
-Current Wii U Dev Kits are True 720p with heavy uPad usage. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723752#msg723752); 1080p still possible with less uPad usage & current dev kit is not the most recent released.
-Major eShop leak? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723997#msg723997); I would love for it to be true... but I do not believe it is. But we shall see. Can't wait 4 E3!
-Epic Mickey 2: Power of Illusion 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724084#msg724084); *TRUE* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37299.msg724638#msg724638)... but still waiting on a Wii U version.
-Nintendo NDA's to be lifted sometime next week? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724212#msg724212) FY2012 ends after next week. Investor Meetings & Financial Reports could reveal some goodies.
-Capcom has an Action Title ready to show for Wii U @ E3! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724212#msg724212); RE6 anyone?
-The Last Ranger is actually a sequel to Dillon's Rolling Western!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724212#msg724212); I guess we'll have to wait and see...
-Retro's next game looks "extremely impressive" and it is NOT DK, TLOZ or Metroid... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724428#msg724428); StarTropics?
-Regional Nintendo's want change U too!!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724641#msg724641); It's not just the gamers wishing for this to happen...
-New 3DS Firmware Update Incoming? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724642#msg724642) with lots of new features included!! Nintendo Network goes live early?
-Two tribes hints @ Steamworks/Wii U Cross Platform Play? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725225#msg725225) it would be nice if Steam was on Wii U.... *wink wink*
-Headstrong rebooting a Sega IP from the Dreamcast Era? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725544#msg725544) only to have it cancelled!? ....Jet Set!?
-Nintendo & MySpace Sitting in a Tree....? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725548#msg725548); getting together for the launch of MySpaceTV? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725551#msg725551)

April

-Wii U less powerful than PS360, Developers say... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725755#msg725755); late April fools joke or the bitter truth? Probably BS either way.
-Wii U Launch 11/18/2012? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725800#msg725800); GameStop agees (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726437#msg726437); Lots of Nintendo stuff has launched the week b4 Black Friday.
-Nintendo Grand Prix? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726440#msg726440); Nintendo's own GT/Forza? in the style of Project Gotham Racing?
-Haptics coming to Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726451#msg726451); ViviTouch does haptic rumble and not haptic touch (from what I've heard)
-Engine optimizations lead to 3x-4x performance increase (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726576#msg726576); That's from software documentation (uMote is referred to as DRC)
-Lucas Arts making a Star Wars MMO for Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726522#msg726522); I don't know, but they are making something MMO for Wii U.
-$180 is what it cost Nintendo for all the parts in Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726699#msg726699); not including assembly, R&D, shipping, etc. etc.
-Wii U currently reserves 512MB of RAM for OS functions? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726740#msg726740); that's a lot of space for a console OS. Must be nice!
-Hitman: Absolution coming to Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726955#msg726955) along with several other titles from SE devs?
-Pandora's Tower Coming to North America? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37428.msg727346#msg727346) NWR got the scoop, GameStop is the source.
-Universal uMote!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg727584#msg727584) Potential TVGuide, Channel Preview, multi-device control and more!? make it happen please.
-Nintendo & Square ink a deal to revive an old Square character? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg727964#msg727964) From SMRPG maybe?
-Crazy rumors... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg729622#msg729622) something about Epic & Metroid / Wii U & Android / & a big multimedia push
-uMote has been remodeled and leaked pic is not the final version? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730120#msg730120)
-uMote to get better range than we thought!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730349#msg730349) let's hope so. Nintendo was conservative with Wavebird too...
-Wii U to "Street Pass" like 3DS? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730431#msg730431); using Gamer Cards to collect data on the go? sounds good to me... I guess.
-Wii U @ $350? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730805#msg730805); Likely just a place holder price, but why spend money to advertise it?

May
-More to the "Android on Wii U" rumors than we previously thought? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731235#msg731235) Very fully featured OS incoming? A supposed Google employee on GAF seems to think so....
-Google and Nintendo have been working on an OS together since 2007 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731247#msg731247) (post from 4/30/2010) 
-"Clicky Sticks" on the uMote!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731499#msg731499); Another controller feature to bring parity between Wii U and PS360
-New Patents show possible uMote stand and Zapper gun attachments (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731499#msg731499); lots more plastic attachments to come, I'm sure.
-Starfox in the works for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37674.0); Let's hope that whoever is making it, loved SF64.
-Blockbuster Leaks Wii U Lineup? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731878#msg731878); looks pretty solid if true.
-FFXIV a Wii U possibility? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg732737#msg732737); One of a few rumored/confirmed MMO's coming to Wii U
-Crytek employee talks Wii U dev kits? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg732739#msg732739); sounds like it's about 1 specific studio
-Wii U to have Cloud Storage? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733241#msg733241) only 512MB sounds a bit low though
-Splinter Cell Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733264#msg733264); Hip Hop Gamer says it's so.
-Nintendo & Eminem team up for some marketing aimed at the core? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733736#msg733736)
-No FarCry3 on Wii U, AC3 no different on Wii U & 2 uMotes is possible (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733892#msg733892)
-Retro making Startroid Fusion? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733910#msg733910); Metroid x Starfox...? say it ain't so. I hope it's not.
-New revised uMote revealed! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg733986#msg733986) Analog Sticks! But what are those little squares?
-Castelvania Wii U & 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg734540#msg734540); LoS 2? that's what's rumored for Wii U atleast.
-Wii U's Gamer Card Function!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg734541#msg734541) Street Pass for the Wii U in your wallet?
-New features accessible in the new dev kits! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg735562#msg735562) all stuff we've heard about though.
-New CPU details (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg735600#msg735600); Based on an IBM Express 710, 4Cores, 2 threads each @ 3Ghz.
-Kingdom Hearts HD Collection headed to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg735896#msg735896); would make a nice addition to the Wii U launch.


Previous Consolidation
Rumor Consolidation 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676207#msg676207)
Title: Wii U = 5X360!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 14, 2012, 02:05:03 AM
You know what, I read about this last month, but somehow it seems like no one ever posted it here, so I guess better late than never:


Wii U to be 5X more powerful than X360
and this was based off that last dev kit rumor I posted
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the Xbox 720's raw graphics processing power is expected to be six times that of the Xbox 360 and will yield 20-percent greater performance than Nintendo's forthcoming console, the Wii U.

That is plenty powerful if you ask me and it keeps both system easily within spitting distance of each other.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2012, 02:31:16 AM
If that's true, with Wii U launching first, it has a good chance of being the lead platform once developers start moving away from PS3/360. Always a good thing. I get the feeling that Nintendo tried low-balling the specs again and 3rd parties basically said, "Well, we're just not going to make games for your system then," so Nintendo went back to IBM and AMD for more powerful chips. I hope Nintendo doesn't skimp on the RAM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on February 14, 2012, 03:57:04 AM
I still doubt it, nintendo's not competing with the nextxbox or ps4 again.  Jacking up the CPU or GPU with add costs and neither nintendo will have to sell at an loss or lose a big chunk of their user base.  It's either go with the tablet or go for power, not both.  That's also the reason why you won't see an tablet controller for the Xbox or PS next systems--at least not as a standard package anyhow.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 14, 2012, 07:21:56 AM
They could have had a process shrink which allowed more pikmin to fit in the same space therefore giving them the boost we all wanted.

or the dev kits were just off the shelf parts and the new one has actual silicon that is so custom, that the off the shelf didn't really compare.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2012, 07:47:26 AM
It's either go with the tablet or go for power, not both.  That's also the reason why you won't see an tablet controller for the Xbox or PS next systems--at least not as a standard package anyhow.
The tablet controller isn't much more than a Wii Remote Plus with a touch screen and some fairly inexpensive parts like a camera, magnetometer, NFC chip and whatever wireless thingamajig Nintendo is using to stream content to the controller. I'm not really convinced that Nintendo has to choose between the tablet controller and more powerful hardware. I don't expect Wii U to use state of the art chips but being within spitting distance of the next Xbox is possible even if Wii U launches an entire year earlier.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 14, 2012, 07:49:10 AM
The PS2 was considerably less powerful than the GC and Xbox, but it was close enough that you could port between them most of the time. That should be what Nintendo's shooting for.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2012, 08:02:25 AM
Considering how amazing games today already look, having the weakest console might not even make much of a difference. You'd really have to be looking to notice it sometimes and that's assuming you're looking at them side by side.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 14, 2012, 09:10:02 AM
It all considers how the Tablet is driven.  Being in Spitting difference spec wise could take them out of the race if driving the Tablet takes any meaningful amount of resources.  Not to mention the dream of driving multiple.  It be the possible equivalent of rendering an extra TV for each tablet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2012, 10:14:40 AM
Any hardware comparisons should take the resources used by streaming to the tablet controller into account. If Wii U can only match the integrity of competing future consoles without use of the tablet controller, developers are either going to ignore the console or ignore the tablet controller. The latter is the lesser of the 2 evils but it's still what differentiates the console.

However, i don't believe the tablet controller will have such a significant effect on the hardware depending on how it's used. If the rumors are true, the console should be more than capable of handling at least 2 tablet controllers simultaneously. For most games, the main action will be on the tv with the tablet controller acting in much the same way as the bottom screen of the 3DS which I can't imagine taxes hardware in any significant way. Any game that really takes advantage of the tablet controller with the action switching between screens would have to be reworked when ported anyway. It would still make more sense to start with a Wii U version then just remove any special tablet capabilities. And any game that uses the tablet controller or even more than one for the main action isn't rendering the game in full 1080P. In fact, it's probably not rendering in HD at all meaning and this would still be exclusive to Wii U anyway... unless Sony and Microsoft release their own gaming tablets but then it's a wash anyway.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 14, 2012, 12:13:36 PM
You know what, I read about this last month, but somehow it seems like no one ever posted it here, so I guess better late than never:


Wii U to be 5X more powerful than X360
and this was based off that last dev kit rumor I posted
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the Xbox 720's raw graphics processing power is expected to be six times that of the Xbox 360 and will yield 20-percent greater performance than Nintendo's forthcoming console, the Wii U.

That is plenty powerful if you ask me and it keeps both system easily within spitting distance of each other.

If that's true that's great. But it is still up in the air how much the console is going to cost. Personally, I have no problem paying more if it means the hardware is awesome. Unfortunately, everyone else may be more reluctant. No matter how powerful it is, it has to be affordably priced. At what price can Nintendo sell a console that is 5 times as powerful as a 360 and break even? Will Nintendo break with their tradition and sell the console at a loss?


The latter is the lesser of the 2 evils but it's still what differentiates the console.

No, it doesn't. Both Sony and Microsoft are going to copy the tablet concept, so that does not differentiate Nintendo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on February 14, 2012, 12:47:38 PM
Not sure if this was posted, saw it a week ago.

http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=171749

Retro working on a game with hand painted textures? New Zelda that really looks like the art work? Yoshi's Island?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2012, 12:52:38 PM
No, it doesn't. Both Sony and Microsoft are going to copy the tablet concept, so that does not differentiate Nintendo.
Sometimes I feel like you just like disagreeing with me...

2 things
1. There's no guarantee that they copy the tablet controller. Likely, but not a fact therefore it's still what sets Wii U apart.
2. Please read the last sentence of me previous post, I already acknowledged this.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 14, 2012, 01:27:27 PM
Adrock, apparently you missed what BnM posted about the patents Sony and Microsoft filed for a tablet thinger. Its already confirmed they are copying it. There is no maybe.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on February 14, 2012, 01:52:11 PM
Adrock, apparently you missed what BnM posted about the patents Sony and Microsoft filed for a tablet thinger. Its already confirmed they are copying it. There is no maybe.

Well it still remains to be seen if they actually come out with a product.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on February 14, 2012, 01:56:55 PM
Adrock, apparently you missed what BnM posted about the patents Sony and Microsoft filed for a tablet thinger. Its already confirmed they are copying it. There is no maybe.

Well it still remains to be seen if they actually come out with a product.

Yeah, companies constantly patent crap that they never actually release. Fun on-topic example: that horse-ride thing for the Wii with the creepy baby.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2012, 01:57:22 PM
Since when do companies use every patent they file?

Edit: Wow, 2 people beat me to it...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 14, 2012, 02:42:14 PM
Didn't Sony already say the Vita can be used on the PS4 as a controller? The Vita has a touch screen, so that's pretty much the same thing as what Nintendo is aiming for with the uMOTE.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2012, 02:49:43 PM
Vita isn't the main controller nor does it come with every console. That's not even close to the same thing. It would similar to if 3DS was used as a Wii U controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 14, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
Vita isn't the main controller nor does it come with every console. That's not even close to the same thing. It would similar to if 3DS was used as a Wii U controller.

I know, but the 3DS can also be used with the WiiU as a fill in for a uMote. If the PS4 is going to allow the Vita to fill in as a controller then its certainly possible they will come out with something similar as the uMote as the default controller of the system. When you take that along with their patent filings and look at them together I think it looks likely that's what will happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 14, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
...I think it looks likely that's what will happen.
1. There's no guarantee that they copy the tablet controller. Likely, but not a fact therefore it's still what sets Wii U apart.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on February 14, 2012, 04:49:38 PM
"

Adrock, apparently you missed what BnM posted about the patents Sony and Microsoft filed for a tablet thinger. Its already confirmed they are copying it. There is no maybe."

Actually Sony filed first (2010) and Nintendo didn't file until Feb 2011.  But that doesn't mean much as MS/Sony stated they were "concepts" which just about everyone has one.  Doesn't mean anything IMO considering the 100's of other patents each company files each and every year. 

Recall my profressor comparing it to the "flying car" of the future.


Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 14, 2012, 09:35:36 PM
Not sure if this was posted, saw it a week ago.

http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=171749

Retro working on a game with hand painted textures? New Zelda that really looks like the art work? Yoshi's Island?

I saw that a week out so ago, but when I looked at the job posting, which I posted in the Wii U thread already Weeks ago, I didn't see anything about hand painted textures.

But either way Retro also hired an ex Naughty Dog guy that worked on Uncharted which also used hand painted textures.
Title: HD & 3D uMote screen!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2012, 09:12:30 PM
According to Patents, an HD and/or 3D uMote is not out of the question
Atleast they were in consideration at some point if they don't make it into final release.
http://kotaku.com/5885584/nintendo-flirted-with-3d-hd-displays-for-wii-u-controller
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One of the more interesting nuggets involves 3D and HD. The former might not have caught on like Nintendo, or other electronics companies, had hoped. The 3DS is making innovative use of 3D, but it's still not mainstream. In the patent filing, Nintendo noted that the Wii U "might" feature a 3D display. It also mentions it "might" feature a HD display on the Wii U controller, which so far has sported a sub-HD resolution of around 850x.
Patents:
Game System, Controller Device, and Game Method (http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120015732%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120015732&RS=DN/20120015732)
SPATIALLY-CORRELATED MULTI-DISPLAY HUMAN-MACHINE INTERFACE (http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120026166%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120026166&RS=DN/20120026166)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 16, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
I don't think either of those things are really necessary for the tablet controller. Maybe the higher resolution screen but not 3D. That would only be useful when you use it for gameplay.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 16, 2012, 09:40:05 PM
Has Nintendo said what the resolution of the Wii U controller will be? All I can find are sites estimating what they think it is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 16, 2012, 09:43:13 PM
I don't think they have. I've only seen the estimates too. From the impressions I've read, it was definitely not an HD screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2012, 11:28:08 PM
No. All we have are estimates from the internets best and most professional pixel counters.

Sub HD will only look bad if Sony &/or MS copy with an HD screened controller. But if they could do something with 720p resolution or pretty close to it, I think we will all be satisfied.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 16, 2012, 11:49:59 PM
I don't think either of those things are really necessary for the tablet controller. Maybe the higher resolution screen but not 3D. That would only be useful when you use it for gameplay.

The effect of either is only cosmetic anyway. It has no overall effect on gameplay, so it is unnecessary. Nice to have, but not necessary.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2012, 12:22:57 AM
I've already said this on Kotaku, but HD won't matter. The screen won't have to be iPad level quality simply because we have a nice big HD television right in front of us.


I'm talking out of my ass, since I don't even own an HDTV, but still.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on February 17, 2012, 01:10:42 AM
I remember asking a question a few months ago about whether a sterescopic 3D inabled Umote screen would be a good idea and everyone laughed at me for it. A high resolution screen for the Umote would be very welcome on the condition that it did not drive up the cost too much. Also, I was playing a Vita in a Gamestop today and the OLED screen for that thing was amazing in terms of colors and pixelation. If Nintendo offered a OLED enabled Umote screen to be purchased directly from their store then I might be all for buying it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on February 17, 2012, 02:52:50 PM
It'd be great for there to be an amazing screen on the Tablet Controller, but I suspect Nintendo is prioritizing for functional, durable, and cheap. I look at the difference between the 3DS and Vita screens and think that Nintendo is fine with that difference.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2012, 02:55:51 PM
Maybe later on when the prices come down Nintendo will come up with a uMote+ which will have an HD 3D screen. Right now though, I think their priority is to try to keep the WiiU SKU (which will include a uMote) as affordably priced as possible while still being able to at least break even on it.

Oh yeah, and one other thing is to beam out an HD/3D display to the tablet is much more taxing on the WiiU hardware. So for that reason it probably will never happen. You'd probably have to wait until the 9th generation 7 years from now or something, when Nintendo will come out with the "Super WiiU" which will be 5-6 times as powerful as the WiiU. Of course, by then holographic stuff as seen on Star Trek might be on the horizon, so HD/3D will probably seem obsolete.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 17, 2012, 03:03:48 PM
Holography coming to the home like Star Trek is still 50 years away.

Holography like Star Wars for the home would be common first.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
Holography like Star Wars for the home would be common first.

I can see something like that hologram Leia recorded for Obi-Wan being possible 7 years from now. The "Super WiiU's" tablet controller may have little holograms like that popping out of it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on February 17, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
I really want an AR game. Pokemon Battle Stadium or something would be perfect for it if they come out with new cards/toys with NFC and are AR capable.

But I really want a Fifa AR game. I want to see the stadium on my table through my screen and be able to walk around it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 17, 2012, 04:15:56 PM
I really want an AR game. Pokemon Battle Stadium or something would be perfect for it if they come out with new cards/toys with NFC and are AR capable.

But I really want a Fifa AR game. I want to see the stadium on my table through my screen and be able to walk around it.
I would like that for Madden with the Covet of it digitally rendering a live football game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on February 17, 2012, 06:04:46 PM
It looks like Call of Duty Black Ops 2 could be this year's CoD holiday game. Just in time to be a Wii U launch title? Imiagine fighting zombies on the Umote screen. Treyarch must be developing this title as well.
 
http://kotaku.com/5886065/black-ops-2-reportedly-outed-by-french-as-this-years-call-of-duty (http://kotaku.com/5886065/black-ops-2-reportedly-outed-by-french-as-this-years-call-of-duty)
 
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The site claims that a product page for the sequel to the 2010 Call of Duty title went live on Amazon.fr and that, after they reported this, Activision France requested that the story be killed. When they refused, Gameblog.fr claims that the publisher blacklisted them, disinviting them from a Transformers: Fall of Cybertron preview event and pulling planned advertising from the media outlet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on February 17, 2012, 06:35:19 PM
Holography like Star Wars for the home would be common first.

I can see something like that hologram Leia recorded for Obi-Wan being possible 7 years from now. The "Super WiiU's" tablet controller may have little holograms like that popping out of it.
That would be an awesome gimmick, although I'm not sure what practical benefits it would bring. Still, a similar effect got me to blow $5 on that mediocre Time Traveler game twenty years ago, so...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2012, 06:42:35 PM
Black Ops 2 is a much better idea than Modern Warfare 4, although really why does every COD game have to be a sequel? I am still holding out hope for a COD game set during the Civil War.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 17, 2012, 06:55:48 PM
Black Ops 2 is a much better idea than Modern Warfare 4, although really why does every COD game have to be a sequel? I am still holding out hope for a COD game set during the Civil War.

I would like to have a CoD set exclusivly in the Vietnam war.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Black Ops 2 is a much better idea than Modern Warfare 4, although really why does every COD game have to be a sequel? I am still holding out hope for a COD game set during the Civil War.

I would like to have a CoD set exclusivly in the Vietnam war.

Black Ops takes place in 1968 so it is set during the same time as the Vietnam War (except the bay of pigs thing and the flashback to WW2), and many of the missions do take place in Vietnam. Isn't that good enough?

I wonder if Black Ops 2 is going to be set immediately after the original one ends, or if it will be set sometime later. I'm sure it will be set during the Cold War, but the Cold War lasted until 1991 so there's ample time where it could take place.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2012, 07:03:53 PM
I want to kill JFK.
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Post by: noname2200 on February 17, 2012, 07:05:36 PM
I want to kill JFK.

Decades later, the mystery of the second shooter is finally solved.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2012, 07:07:39 PM
You know what I mean.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2012, 07:10:35 PM
I want to kill JFK.

I don't know if it matters if you say that about dead presidents, but if you said that about a living president like Obama you would get arrested and interrogated by the secret service.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2012, 07:15:20 PM
I know. He's dead, I obviously did not kill him. He's someone that would be a very interesting assassination in CoD. It's a video game.


It's not like I'm going around telling everyone that I'm going to go to the White House and shoot up the place.



Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on February 17, 2012, 07:24:54 PM
Black Ops 2 is a much better idea than Modern Warfare 4, although really why does every COD game have to be a sequel? I am still holding out hope for a COD game set during the Civil War.

I would like to have a CoD set exclusivly in the Vietnam war.

Black Ops takes place in 1968 so it is set during the same time as the Vietnam War (except the bay of pigs thing and the flashback to WW2), and many of the missions do take place in Vietnam. Isn't that good enough?

I wonder if Black Ops 2 is going to be set immediately after the original one ends, or if it will be set sometime later. I'm sure it will be set during the Cold War, but the Cold War lasted until 1991 so there's ample time where it could take place.

The game that I want would encompass the entire war and not just a few missions like BlOps.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2012, 07:28:22 PM
What about a future Call of Duty? Or would that be fairly boring?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2012, 07:31:27 PM
What about a future Call of Duty? Or would that be fairly boring?

The modern warfare series are set in the future, albeit near future. If you want a COD set in the far future, check out Killzone or Halo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2012, 07:34:07 PM
Then how about something that ISN'T American? I've had enough with "America saves the day" storylines.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2012, 07:35:28 PM
Then how about something that ISN'T American? I've had enough with "America saves the day" storylines.

How about a WW2 COD game where you get to be the Germans and/or Japanese? Or would that be too controversial?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 17, 2012, 07:48:34 PM
Anything, that you are playing against the winning team would be controversial.  I think you could do a World War 2 game where you play as the Russians. 

Actually, I would love a Civil War game, but that will never happen because it is Americans killing Americans...but also War was very different back then.  People fought by marching in a line and firing...that is not an interesting Video Game. 

Now, they could take a game and put it in the past, but design levels and such around more modern warfare...but then it isn't historically accurate. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 17, 2012, 07:51:44 PM
The reason WWII gets used as a context a lot is because Germany and Japan were truly evil during that time period. Having people play as them would be incredibly controversial, but beyond that I'm not sure how that would have any effect on gameplay besides changing the color of the enemy uniforms and the gun you start out with. Doing it from the Russian point of view would be interesting, but again, I think going back to WWII is a bad idea in general.


What I'd really like to see is a move away from military shooters and back to a GoldenEye/Perfect Dark lone agent against the world setup. But since that wouldn't sell as well and wouldn't work well for team deathmatch, the lifeblood of the genre, I'd like to see a move to entirely fictional settings.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on February 17, 2012, 07:54:03 PM
The reason WWII gets used as a context a lot is because Germany and Japan were truly evil during that time period. Having people play as them would be incredibly controversial...

But apparently not in strategy games, be they turn based or real time. Which is odd, since I can't see any real reason why this would be, but it seems true nonetheless.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on February 17, 2012, 07:54:52 PM
My dream CoD game is a third person action title set in the near future and centers around China as the villain.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 17, 2012, 08:02:08 PM
If you had a WWII game from the Axis perspective how do you handle the Holocaust?  Or the Bataan Death March?  It's not just the fact that they lost the war that makes them the "bad guys" in videogames and movies.

Videogames get a bad rap anyway.  You want to give the anti-videogame types the argument that a game is pro-Nazi and that it is "training" today's youth to think of the Nazis as cool?  It ain't worth attracting the shitstorm.

But they could let you play the British or Russians.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on February 17, 2012, 08:02:33 PM
Anything, that you are playing against the winning team would be controversial.  I think you could do a World War 2 game where you play as the Russians. 
See Red Orchestra 1 and 2.
How about a WW2 COD game where you get to be the Germans and/or Japanese? Or would that be too controversial?
Again, Red Orchestra 2 lets you play as the Germans. Pearl Harbor Trilogy on WiiWare lets you play as the Japanese. I'm sure there are other examples.

Of course, these are limited to specific battles and ignore the larger atrocities.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 17, 2012, 08:03:15 PM
The reason WWII gets used as a context a lot is because Germany and Japan were truly evil during that time period. Having people play as them would be incredibly controversial...

But apparently not in strategy games, be they turn based or real time. Which is odd, since I can't see any real reason why this would be, but it seems true nonetheless.

Strategy is a lot farther removed from what's happening. Being a Nazi soldier shooting Americans seems different from pushing around units on a map. Also, strategy games don't get the kind of mainstream press shooters do.

My dream CoD game is a third person action title set in the near future and centers around China as the villain.

A war with China just isn't realistic. Even forgetting they're both nuclear powers, it's a lot more of a one-sided fight than you might think. China would suffer greatly in such a war, which is why it will never happen. The conflict between the two countries will be one of economics and diplomacy, not military.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 17, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
Spak, Activision (through its budget Activision Value label) published The History Channel: Civil War – A Nation Divided on Xbox 360, PlayStation 2, and PC.

You could play some missions as the Soviets in Call of Duty 2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
If you had a WWII game from the Axis perspective how do you handle the Holocaust?

Why do you even need to? In the original COD games you got to play as a Soviet soldier, but the game didn't have you sending people to gulags or committing genocide against Ukrainians or any of the other atrocities of the Soviet Union which occurred during this time under Stalin.

In WW2 atrocities were committed by every side, to different degrees. The western allies mostly did good with a few exceptions (wiping out cities with bombers and atom bombs), but we shouldn't kid ourselves into thinking the Soviets and the murderous dictatorship behind it were saints. Yet you could play as a Soviet soldier.

The bottom line is not every Axis soldier was a bad guy. It was the government that was evil and did the evil things like the holocaust. If they treaded carefully they could make a game where you play a good axis soldier who is just defending his homeland and has nothing to do with the bad stuff.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 17, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
Again, though, why would you do that? What, other than the shock value of the story, does that add to the game?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 17, 2012, 09:48:01 PM
Again, though, why would you do that? What, other than the shock value of the story, does that add to the game?

Earlier someone in the thread asked about playing as someone other than the American "good guys" for a change. As for what it would add to the game? Not much, except that it would be something different. People say a lot of the FPS genre has been beaten to death, and it has, but being able to switch sides and play from the opposite perspective would be a change. Its just nice to be the "bad guy" once in a while for a change.

I just had an idea where someone could touch on the holocaust in a game and you could be an Axis soldier who fights against it and disobeys orders and sets some of the prisoners free. We shouldn't forget that during the war there were a lot of good Germans who risked their own lives to save the lives of people the Nazis were trying to kill. Shouldn't their stories be told? If there was a COD game that touched on this then you could be both the "bad guy" and the "good guy" at the same time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on February 17, 2012, 10:06:59 PM
Again, though, why would you do that? What, other than the shock value of the story, does that add to the game?

Earlier someone in the thread asked about playing as someone other than the American "good guys" for a change. As for what it would add to the game? Not much, except that it would be something different. People say a lot of the FPS genre has been beaten to death, and it has, but being able to switch sides and play from the opposite perspective would be a change. Its just nice to be the "bad guy" once in a while for a change.

I just had an idea where someone could touch on the holocaust in a game and you could be an Axis soldier who fights against it and disobeys orders and sets some of the prisoners free. We shouldn't forget that during the war there were a lot of good Germans who risked their own lives to save the lives of people the Nazis were trying to kill. Shouldn't their stories be told? If there was a COD game that touched on this then you could be both the "bad guy" and the "good guy" at the same time.

@ Chozo
 
Too controversial.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 17, 2012, 10:13:51 PM
Please don't.
Title: Rumor: Activision Working On Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Game
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 18, 2012, 12:03:47 AM
Rumor: Activision Working On Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Game (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/02/17/activision-working-on-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-game.aspx)

Maybe Rocksteady isn't working on a TMNT game, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be someone else who is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on February 18, 2012, 12:49:03 AM
Oh, god. Which of Activision's teams would be most adept at taking on this challenge? I'm at a loss. :/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on February 18, 2012, 01:13:46 AM
Keep Beenox as far away from this franchse as possible.
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Post by: Sarail on February 18, 2012, 01:22:50 AM
Crap. It's gonna be Beenox now.. all because Kytim mentioned it. Gah.
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Post by: UncleBob on February 18, 2012, 02:04:03 AM
Not that Nintendo couldn't change their mind, but they've gone on record before that touch screen + 3D = bad.  Fingerprints really screw up the 3D effect.
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Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2012, 02:09:14 AM
They could somehow use whatever the iPhone's use to reduce smudges.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 18, 2012, 05:03:19 PM
I think that would drive the price up too high for Nintendo's liking.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 20, 2012, 12:14:27 PM
Pokemon Black and White sequel might be announced on Pokemon Smash this week.

I don't care if it's Grey or some lame R/S/E remake I just want legit access to the Unova DW Pokemon and new tutors!

http://mynintendonews.com/2012/02/20/pokemon-black-white-sequel-to-be-announced-on-pokemon-smash-this-week/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on February 20, 2012, 01:46:04 PM
I don't think we'll see a R/S/E remake. The only reason gen I got remade was because to allow access to those pokemon in Gen III, the same with Gen II and IV. Plus, the timeline of events is now that Gens I and III take place at the same time and II and IV are also concurrent. You can essentially have all gens on one cart now with minimal work, provided you've already been transferring them up.

I'd like to see a game that crosses gens. Gen II let you revisit Kanto. I wanna do that again. Play through multiple regions. Or even one that uses the story from the Pokemon Adventures manga, but I think I mentioned that in another thread.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 20, 2012, 01:51:27 PM
The Gen's that happen at the same time I would like to see rolled into one large game.  Let you start in the respective area's to be a choice, but allow you to get your badges be mixing and matching between the games.  Also when you "beat" one of the games you go on to the other but everything is tweaked up to compensate.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on February 20, 2012, 02:15:46 PM
You mean like how the Kanto in Gen II was updated (tweaked up) from the Kanto in Gen I?
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 20, 2012, 04:35:49 PM
Not a rumor but not sure where to post it. But this could potentially start a lot of rumors.


http://andriasang.com/con012/seaman_3ds/ (http://andriasang.com/con012/seaman_3ds/)


Nintendo planning on reviving other company's titles on the 3DS. First up is Sega's Seaman.


I hope Star Fox is already underway cause they need to get there own franchises back in gear before they start working on other companies. Maybe this is somewhat related to that new Sonic game where he has personality disorders and Nintendo is working on the stage design. Nintendo just needs to make one 3D Sonic game have it released and let Sega copy that format until the end of time. At least then it would stay consistently good even if it get's stagnant.


Oh yeah Earthbound too! What if something like Skies of Arcadia 2 came out of this made by the Xenoblade guys?
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Post by: noname2200 on February 21, 2012, 12:10:14 AM

I hope Star Fox is already underway cause they need to get there own franchises back in gear before they start working on other companies.

While true on one level, that would miss the point of this exercise. For the record, I don't think it's going to work, but maybe we'll get something interesting retro titles out of it.
Title: CryEngine Wii U Demo @ GDC
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2012, 09:35:12 PM
Rumor has it that Crytek is showing a CryEngine Demo on Wii U behind closed doors @ GDC 2012.

That would explain the triforce positioning of the booths.

& I'm not entirely sure if it's related, but there are upto 50 CryEngine games in development for "next-gen" hardware.
http://www.develop-online.net/news/39791/CryEngine-devs-turn-to-next-gen-target-systems (http://www.develop-online.net/news/39791/CryEngine-devs-turn-to-next-gen-target-systems)
We can only hope that the majority of that will land on Wii U.
Title: Time Splitters 4, Overstrike & Dead Space Wii U!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2012, 02:59:13 PM
Supposedly Crytek big Wii U game is Time Splitters 4, but EA is bringing more than just that to the table.

Rumor: Dead Space, Overstrike, and TimeSplitters 4 coming to Wii U.
http://game0n.net/2012/02/25/dead-space-overstrike-timesplitters-4/ (http://game0n.net/2012/02/25/dead-space-overstrike-timesplitters-4/)
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According to a concept artist for a developer studio associated with Electronic Arts, there are plans that Visceral Games, the company behind the Dead Space games, to make a new installment of  Dead Space, and that will be coming to Wii U and other consoles.  No Dead Space game will be shown at this year’s E3.
Dead Space 3 would still be really early in development, and it better not be a sequel to the onrail version in anyway whatsoever.

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Another game from Electronic Arts that I was told will receive the Wii U treatment is Overstrike, which is developed by Insomniac games.  Insomniac has received Wii U development kits.  Insomniac are known for franchises such as Resistance and Ratchet & Clank  for Sony’s consoles.

The trailer for this one back during E3 sold me even though they showed absolutely no gameplay. This was one of my most anticipated 3rd party games shown at E3 that I hoped would get announced for Wii U.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2TNLL5oYwk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2TNLL5oYwk)

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And the last interesting tidbit of news that I am hearing involves Crytek, who is a partner with Electronic Arts. Crytek might be giving Electronic Arts the publishing duties for TimeSplitters 4 for the Wii U.  Coincidentally, before Free Radical became part of Crytek, Electronic Arts published Timesplitters: Future Perfect.   TimeSplitters 4 will be announced at E3 this year for the Wii U and other consoles.

This was probably the majority of people's guesses fpr what game Crytek was working on especially when they told us what Crytek studio was commenting on the Wii U dev kits (the one previously known as Free Radical).

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I’m hearing that there is over 150-200 Wii U games currently in development.  Nintendo is planning to announce numerous partnerships and collaborations regarding the Wii U at this E3

Expect a really long Sizzle reel at E3 this year. I really hope I get to attend this year. It would be the best year ever to date for a Nintendo fan to attend.

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My friend told me that when Electronic Arts received the first and second versions of Wii U development kits, Nintendo wasn’t sure how powerful the console was going to be.  All they cared about at that point was making a console that was easy to port 360/PS3 games.  They had to keep the dev kits at 360/PS3 level in the beginning because it’s easy to start low on specs and go up in power, but it’s impossible to create a super powerful development kit and then downgrade it in power.   I hear that the 5th and 6th versions of this development kit are pretty powerful, and Frostbite 2 has been seen running on the Wii U with very smooth results and a higher frame rate than the 360 version of Battlefield 3,  that are superior to any PS3/360 game running Frostbite 2.

Again, take all of this as a grain of salt/rumor until its confirmed, but I felt the need to share some of this since people seem to want Wii U news.

It all sounds good to me and the HYPE level coming to GDC (9 days away) and going into E3 (99 days away) is rising steadily.

I expect a few more rumors to pop up as we get a little closer.




edit: I should also mention that a new dev kit listing has popped up on that Singapore Government website (https://tls.ida.gov.sg/tls/TlsEquipmentSearchFormAction.do?strEquipmentCategory=&strEquipmentType=&strEquipDesc=&strTradeName=end&strModelName=&strMarketingName=&strCompanyName=&strIssueDateFrom=&strIssueDateTo=&dispatch=listEquipment).
and I think that is the 6th revision that's popped up on there so far.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 25, 2012, 06:26:30 PM
I thought Insomniac was 2nd party to Sony for all intents and purposes.  If they are diving right in to Wii U then the room of it being port friendly must be true.  Be interesting if Nintendo found a way to make porting a native Wii U game to the others trivial.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2012, 06:35:26 PM
At first thought you might think that, but this is from the end of the trailer for the game I posted above.

(http://i.imgur.com/P4u5k.png)

Whatever they were doing exclusively for Sony before is no longer keeping them exclusive now.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on February 25, 2012, 06:38:09 PM
Second party can be as simple as working just for the company. So they were second party. Insomniac Games only worked with Sony, but they were 100% independent. They announced back in May 2010 that they would start making multiplatform games with Electronic Arts publishing them
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 25, 2012, 07:00:29 PM
If Time Splitters 4 comes out on Wii U and is a launch game...then Wii U will succeed for sheer awesomeness of a killer online multiplayer game.  Time Splitters has never been the best FPS...but it has been consistently fun.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 25, 2012, 07:10:23 PM
I loved TimeSplitters 2. I have often wanted to go back and play the game, but can't. I don't have a PS2 or a compatible PS3 (plus, I don't want the PS2 version), the GameCube version has annoyingly long load times, and the Xbox version is not compatible on Xbox 360 (it's one of the few Xbox games I want to play on 360). I don't really want to buy a used Xbox just for 1 game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on February 25, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
No more rumors.

Pokemon Black 2 and Pokemon White 2. Not sure if brand new adventures with no new pokemon or just a fancy way to title Gray.

http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml

Sorry I was so late BlackNM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on February 25, 2012, 08:55:13 PM
speaking of crytek stuff

the new far cry 3 commercials look awesome, I was watching it out of the corner of my eye. I was filling out a list for something. Anyhow, I didn't notice it was a game commercial at first. I was watching it, kinda reminded me of what the river looks like, but better cus that show sucks. Then i look down fill up some stuff for my list. I look up and it looks like a different commercial. Then I re-watched the commercial without distraction and I realized the whole thing was cgi. That is fucking awesome. Its obvious now, but man I had my uncanny valley tricked for a brief time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on February 25, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
I love all these rumors! Makes me feel good inside! Time Splitters 4 at launch would be sooo nice!

All these rumors are making Wii U sound great! All before we've herd almost any word on any actual Nintendo games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on February 25, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
Farcry 3 uses their own engine called Dunia, it's Ubisoft developed and published now, crytek has nothing to do with it anymore.

Pretty sure this will be ported to the WII U as well given Ubisoft support already.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 25, 2012, 10:19:04 PM
The Dunia engine is just a modified version of CryEngine (and was created by someone while they were working at Crytek).

I have no doubt Far Cry 3 will be on Wii U. It's from Ubisoft, and the Wii U is more than capable of running it since the game will also be on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on February 26, 2012, 03:55:02 AM
Sup BnM, Longtime no see:p E3 eh? Sounds fun,send me a post card, or juicy details of behind the scenes stuff ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on February 26, 2012, 08:06:19 AM
"Dunia engine is just a modified version of CryEngine" Yes, 20% (Ubisoft say's only 3%) of orginal Farcry Cryengine 1.0, most of it is own, similar to valve/quake HL game.  The engine is modifield to the point where it becomes it's own. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 26, 2012, 11:03:19 AM
Sup BnM, Longtime no see:p E3 eh? Sounds fun,send me a post card, or juicy details of behind the scenes stuff ;)

It's not official or anything but definitely a real possibility. And if it happens, I would be the guest of a big developer/publisher, so i keep my fingers crossed. I'm really excited about it, so I hope it happens.

If they don't come thru, then I hope NWR would throw me a bone press pass and ticket. ;)


edit: and for anyone looking to brush up on current rumors, the Consolidation list has been updated (see my sig)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on February 26, 2012, 04:15:33 PM
I loved the **** out of TimeSplitters and I've been waiting for 4 to come out on any system.

Also Far Cry 3 looks like it's going to be my game of the year. People say Far Cry 2 was broken, which I can agree to, but that didn't stop me from playing damn near er'day for a month.

Man and looking at the graphics for the 360 version, I can't wait to see it on Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on February 26, 2012, 04:48:21 PM
Also Far Cry 3 looks like it's going to be my game of the year. People say Far Cry 2 was broken, which I can agree to, but that didn't stop me from playing damn near er'day for a month.

While there were questionable designs in Far Cry 2, I wouldn't say it was broken. The game is horrible to play if you follow the road and try to be a gung-ho gun man. The game is great if you treat it as a stealth and sniper game. For Far Cry 3, I hope the developers made it less of a pain to always play in a overly aggressive style while giving more tools and techniques for a sneaky style.
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Post by: Stogi on February 26, 2012, 07:10:27 PM
Yeah, I agree with that. Just like you, soon after I started playing I found that sneaking around with a sniper in a dune buggy (to get to the best vantage points and make a quick escape) was the easiest way to play. But I really liked creeping around trying to take everyone out with a silenced mp5/pistol combo. I also thought it was particularly hilarious to lure enemies into traps like a C4 ladened choke point.

I just really hope they fix the AI. There are times where it would become increasingly frustrating to sneak through enemy entrapments because they could smell you. It's the only way I can explain how they know I'm around the corner crouched.

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Post by: Ymeegod on February 26, 2012, 08:57:00 PM
Actually that run and gun was the easiest method to play, just drive straight through and stop a little outside of town/checkpoint and they will chase after you in a nice straight line. 

Hate Farcry 2's open gameplay--there wasn't anything to do other than a few quests and gems but it was pretty much the same check point blocks and the same stupid ai waiting for you.

Rather have FC3 go back to being linear, no driving BS.  Just good straight up FPS shooting.
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Post by: Stogi on February 26, 2012, 10:13:57 PM
Too late..


I'm glad driving is back. Now if they only let me hit the switch on my C4 trap while i'm driving..
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 26, 2012, 10:25:27 PM
your uMote could be your remote detonator....

one of the many things it could be.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 27, 2012, 01:40:39 AM
haha, stuff to look forward to this gen :)

just in time, i have a job haha.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 27, 2012, 06:32:40 AM
haha, stuff to look forward to this gen :)

I felt the same way in 2006. I thought that wiimote thing could be a sword, or a gun, or a paint brush, or a toilet plunger, or whatever... it didn't really quite work out the way I was hoping. So this upcoming generation I am going to cut my expectations to a minimum and that way I won't be disappointed.
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Post by: Adrock on February 27, 2012, 07:22:42 AM
A wise man on these boards once said, "Manage your expectations." /Uncle Bob
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Post by: Retro Deckades on February 27, 2012, 11:28:17 AM
A wise man on these boards once said, "Manage your expectations." /Uncle Bob

I will be doing no such thing. It's been ages since I was this hyped for a Nintendo console launch (since the N64), so I've decided to just let it wash over me. Being a single console (Wii) owner, I am confident that there are few ways in which the Wii U will disappoint me, according to my expectations.
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Post by: Adrock on February 27, 2012, 11:43:05 AM
Acknowledging the potential for disappointment is, in fact, managing your expectations.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 27, 2012, 03:24:31 PM
haha, stuff to look forward to this gen :)

I felt the same way in 2006. I thought that wiimote thing could be a sword, or a gun, or a paint brush, or a toilet plunger, or whatever... it didn't really quite work out the way I was hoping. So this upcoming generation I am going to cut my expectations to a minimum and that way I won't be disappointed.

no my expectations are really low, i had a wii this gen.

I don't play Ps3/xbox360 very often, but when I do im easily impressed.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on February 27, 2012, 03:31:38 PM
Acknowledging the potential for disappointment is, in fact, managing your expectations.

Touché, Pedo bear. Just as long as people don't try to tell me to NOT be excited, because that ain't going to happen!
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on February 27, 2012, 04:33:01 PM
Too late..


I'm glad driving is back. Now if they only let me hit the switch on my C4 trap while i'm driving..


So looking forward to FarCry 3, I downloaded FC2 a few days ago on PSN. Hopefully the level editor is easier to use this time.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 27, 2012, 10:15:01 PM
A wise man on these boards once said, "Manage your expectations." /Uncle Bob


Manage your expectations.


 no

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Post by: UncleBob on February 28, 2012, 12:02:20 AM
tee hee
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 28, 2012, 12:53:08 AM
All I ask of from the Wii U is that it have enough software support that it can be my one and only console. This was where the Wii failed me. I know the Wii U isn't going to have every single game I will want to play, but as long as it is only missing just a handful of games I'll be okay. If you read a video game magazine and you look at all these awesome games coming out soon or in the future its depressing to see that they are coming to PS360 (and maybe PC too), but never for the Wii. If the Wii U doesn't end up like that I will be satisfied. Am I going to make that my expectation? No, but that's my hope.
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Post by: UncleBob on February 28, 2012, 01:06:54 AM
All I ask of from the Wii U is that it have enough software support that it can be my one and only console.

I dunno.  Can you be a hard-core gamer and get by with only one system now?

If you get a 360, you miss out on PS3 titles like God of War, Uncharted, Metal Gear, Infamous, Gran Turismo... etc.

If you get a PS3, you miss out on Halo, Gears of War, Fable and the robust online multiplayer offered by XBox live.

Meanwhile, either way, you miss out on all the first party Nintendo games.

A truly hard-core gamer would *need* all three systems.
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Post by: MysticGohan on February 28, 2012, 01:44:41 AM
Any word if Wii U can run Unreal 4 engine? I'm assuming most likely, since it's been stated to be x amount more powerful than pS360, and both those use Unreal 3 engine.

Hope GDC has Wii U info galore, so much is a mystery, and damnit Zelda would be a dream! again..! :p
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 28, 2012, 02:08:44 AM
Any word if Wii U can run Unreal 4 engine? I'm assuming most likely, since it's been stated to be x amount more powerful than pS360, and both those use Unreal 3 engine.

Hope GDC has Wii U info galore, so much is a mystery, and damnit Zelda would be a dream! again..! :p

Last thing I heard on engines that it could run was Unreal Engine 3 and the CryEngine but that was way back in June of last year so things may have changed slightly.By that I mean gotten better.   
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2012, 02:14:36 AM
Theoretically it can Samaritan and that is on UE3.9

it's also rumored that the latest CryEngine is already up and running (CE3? or is it 4? I'm too lazy to look back a page or 2 and check). That rumor hopefully proves true @ GDC and info about it will hopefully leak should it actually be shown behind closed doors.

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Post by: MysticGohan on February 28, 2012, 02:51:43 AM
Curious, What do you believe BnM? You're saying it's been known to run Unreal Engine 3.9 so it's theoretically safe to assume 4 is a safe bet? :D any word on if Retro is working a return on the Metroid franchise or something new? I know Zelda has been tossed around as an idea. 
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on February 28, 2012, 03:10:23 AM
All I ask of from the Wii U is that it have enough software support that it can be my one and only console.

I dunno.  Can you be a hard-core gamer and get by with only one system now?

If you get a 360, you miss out on PS3 titles like God of War, Uncharted, Metal Gear, Infamous, Gran Turismo... etc.

If you get a PS3, you miss out on Halo, Gears of War, Fable and the robust online multiplayer offered by XBox live.

Meanwhile, either way, you miss out on all the first party Nintendo games.

A truly hard-core gamer would *need* all three systems.


There we go again, using that "hardcore / core gamer" terminology. It's worse than when people used the terms "kiddy" and "mature" last gen. A gamer is a gamer, end of story.


Also, prior to getting my PS3 a few months ago, I used to be a single-console owner for most of my life. I've been gaming since 1990 when I got my NES (I'm 27 now).
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Post by: Enner on February 28, 2012, 06:14:11 AM
I dunno.  Can you be a hard-core gamer and get by with only one system now?

If you get a 360, you miss out on PS3 titles like God of War, Uncharted, Metal Gear, Infamous, Gran Turismo... etc.

If you get a PS3, you miss out on Halo, Gears of War, Fable and the robust online multiplayer offered by XBox live.

Meanwhile, either way, you miss out on all the first party Nintendo games.

A truly hard-core gamer would *need* all three systems.

No mentions of the PC make me sad, but it's understandable. Also, I throw in XBLA and some weird PS3 games from Japan in to the mix.

With the PC, X360, and PS3, it is much easier to get away with having only one of them as you only set-down video gaming experience. The Wii's questionable/poor third party support and droughts of interesting games probably made it hard for it to be a person's only video game console.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 28, 2012, 06:37:31 AM
Lets not turn this into a "hardcore versus casual and one console versus 3 console" discussion because those types of discussions always start the same way and end the same way as they always have. Basically everyone getting upset at each other and everyone making no progress on any fronts.
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Post by: bustin98 on February 28, 2012, 08:15:02 AM
I am a veteran gamer who is a fan of games, so I own all three :) My PC is for work, not for play, except for browsing video game sites...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2012, 09:00:40 AM
Curious, What do you believe BnM? You're saying it's been known to run Unreal Engine 3.9 so it's theoretically safe to assume 4 is a safe bet? :D any word on if Retro is working a return on the Metroid franchise or something new? I know Zelda has been tossed around as an idea. 

I believe that Epic likes money and will make sure that UE4 is scalable enough to work on your refrigerator LCD this time around should a developer want to license their tech and make a fridge game. I believe that whatever EU4 ends up being, it will run on Wii U. Wii U may not make the most of the engine since I'm sure PC will remain king, but I really don't think visuals are gonna matter all that much going forward. Everyone's games will look great. The difference will be in how natural the shadows look, the lighting, cloth/hair physics and maybe the framerate. The majority of people won't notice the differences unless pointed out.

As far as Retro is concerned... I have no idea what they are doing, but I'm hoping for new IP or something that will be like new since we haven't seen it since forever (Star Tropics).I've never played the original, but the descriptions of what it could be (Nintendo's Uncharted meets Zelda) then I think it could fill another hole in Nintendo's lineup.
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Post by: UncleBob on February 28, 2012, 09:40:12 AM
The Wii's questionable/poor third party support and droughts of interesting games probably made it hard for it to be a person's only video game console.

Not at all.  You just have to know what you want out of gaming.
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Post by: Lithium on February 28, 2012, 11:22:09 AM
The Wii's questionable/poor third party support and droughts of interesting games probably made it hard for it to be a person's only video game console.

Not at all.  You just have to know what you want out of gaming.


yeah i'm one of those wii only gamers this generation (not counting ds) and use my PC to supplement my gaming, mostly to get my Valve fix. Main reason being is that a lot of the big "dudebro" games on the other consoles dont really interest me that much.
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Post by: Mannypon on February 28, 2012, 11:53:34 AM
I'm a huge RPG fan so I basically end up having to own all hardware each generation as rpgs are usually spread out through consoles.  I had to have my 360 for the Mass Effect trilogy, my PS3 for any rpg that might require online access since its free on that network, and my Wii basically for Zelda, Xenoblade, and now the Last Story.  I'm really hoping the WiiU gets all the multiplatform releases this coming generation because its getting harder and harder to own all available systems.  There is less and less time to play all these games and money is always an issue.  I'm not even going to begin to mention the forest of wires I have behind my entertainment center as a result of this gaming consone get together.
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Post by: Enner on February 28, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
The Wii's questionable/poor third party support and droughts of interesting games probably made it hard for it to be a person's only video game console.

Not at all.  You just have to know what you want out of gaming.

Heh. In my case, I want high-fidelity racing, action, and role-playing games to play and those kinds of games didn't come to the Wii as often as I would like. Thankfully, I have a PC to play Burnout Paradise, Just Cause 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and other games.

That said, I wouldn't have all the hours of fun I had in The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces without the Wii.

yeah i'm one of those wii only gamers this generation (not counting ds) and use my PC to supplement my gaming, mostly to get my Valve fix.

Not counting the DS and PC is cheating! :p
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Post by: Lithium on February 28, 2012, 05:12:40 PM
yeah i'm one of those wii only gamers this generation (not counting ds) and use my PC to supplement my gaming, mostly to get my Valve fix.

Not counting the DS and PC is cheating! :p


well i meant for home consoles, as for PC i literally just play valve games and half life 2 mods (GoldenEye: Source ftw! (http://www.moddb.com/mods/goldeneye-source))
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 28, 2012, 05:29:54 PM
I've been a one-console-a-generation guy for most of my life though what I have done is inevitably bought the top competing console, when it is no longer current, to play some of the big titles I missed.  Cost is mostly the big issue.  Videogame systems are expensive when they're current so it is much more affordable to just buy one system.  It doesn't have to have everything but be good enough that I can keep up with its release schedule and have good games to play on a regular basis.

The Wii was the first console I ever owned that was so inept and meeting my basic videogame needs that I bought a PS3 when it was still current.  I was disappointed in the N64's and Gamecube's underachievement but never felt I made a mistake in picking them.  With the Wii I found myself thinking "why did I buy this?"  So it would be nice if I could buy the Wii U and only the Wii U and feel like I made a worthwhile purchase that suits my basic videogame needs, even if it doesn't do so perfectly.  It never can be perfect anyway.
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Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
Or, stay with me here, you could just stick with the PS3 that you already own, save money by not buying another console, AND be content since almost every game you want is coming out on PS3. Doesn't that fit your description of a console that "doesn't have to have everything but [is] good enough that [you] can keep up with its release schedule and have good games to play on a regular basis?"

Here's your alternative: pay $300 or more for Wii U and then be disappointed in all the Nintendo games that don't meet your specific wants, needs, and desires which, judging by the content of 95% of your posts has been at least 5 years (most likely more). If you already own a console that "suits [your] basic videogame needs" then don't buy something else and potentially regret it. Like you said, cost is certainly an issue. I agree. Good news: You have the console you want. The end. You don't need to buy Wii U when it's current. That can be the console that you buy "to play some of the big titles [you] missed" which, quite honestly, will likely be only 1st party Nintendo games. You dig?
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 28, 2012, 06:35:02 PM
Adrock, you're assuming the PS3 is going to be Sony's direct competitor to the Wii U.  I figure the PS3 will be replaced by the PS4 at some point in the next few years.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 28, 2012, 06:47:15 PM
The PS3 will be outdated. Right now people are unsure if the WiiU can run Unreal 4 or not. Well, whether it can or can't I think its pretty damn certain the PS3 won't be able to. I'd say about 2 years from now the PS3 will be in the same boat that the Wii is in now. All development will have moved to the next gen systems, and I suspect the PS3 won't have the same extended life that the PS2 has had because the PS3 hasn't reached the same level of dominance and market share.

So the bottom line is you can't stick with the PS3 and ride out the next generation with that without missing out on all the current software. Therefore you have to decide between the WiiU, PS4, and Xbox420. Hopefully all three will share pretty much the same multiplatform support and the only differences will be in the 1st and 2nd party offerings. If that's the case depending on which console you choose you may miss out on things like Halo, Uncharted, Mario, etc. but hopefully at least all the 3rd party games will be there regardless.
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Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2012, 06:51:16 PM
Adrock, you're assuming the PS3 is going to be Sony's direct competitor to the Wii U.  I figure the PS3 will be replaced by the PS4 at some point in the next few years.
And you're assuming it isn't. It will be when Wii U launches. PS4 is likely at least 2 years away. That's 2 years you don't have to spend any money on new hardware. More importantly, if PS3 had what you needed, then the logical next step is to wait for PS4. That will likely have ALL of the 3rd party games. I don't know why you're even considering Wii U when the Wii was such an utter disappointment to you. For 2 whole years, 99% of games not made by Nintendo or Microsoft will be available to you on PS3. That's the answer to your gaming question. Look no further than the console you already own.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 28, 2012, 06:56:07 PM
Heh Heh
Bluff = Called
 
Advantage: Adrock
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Post by: Mop it up on February 28, 2012, 08:16:30 PM
Of the three current home systems, I have only a Wii and I don't regret it or feel left out. There are certainly some games on the XBox 360 and PS3 which appeal to me, but whenever I try to make a list it always ends up being smaller than I would have thought. I've never come up with enough games that interest me so I've never wanted to pay current-gen pricing for those systems and games. I may get one of them in a few years after successors are out and they get cheap, but even then there still may not be enough for me (plus some of the games I'd want are online games that may not still be functional). Meanwhile I keep finding games on Wii that I like, some have even surprised me, so I see no reason for me to buy another system yet.

There's also the issue of time. I already can't play all the games I buy right away so I have no reason to buy things on release and pay more.

Of course, it isn't like Wii is the only system I own, just the only current home system. I have a 3DS, but not a DS, so that's opened me up to the massive DS library, most of which cost a lot less than current games. I also just got a PS2 since they are dirt cheap now, so there's another huge library for me to scour. Not to mention other old systems like GameCube, SNES, etc. Heck, just last year, I bought a moppin' NES game!

A truly hard-core gamer would *need* all three systems.
This is a sentiment that I agree with. With the amount that some hardcore gamers play, there's simply no way that any one system could satiate them.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 28, 2012, 08:19:45 PM
Adrock, you're assuming the PS3 is going to be Sony's direct competitor to the Wii U.  I figure the PS3 will be replaced by the PS4 at some point in the next few years.
And you're assuming it isn't. It will be when Wii U launches. PS4 is likely at least 2 years away. That's 2 years you don't have to spend any money on new hardware. More importantly, if PS3 had what you needed, then the logical next step is to wait for PS4. That will likely have ALL of the 3rd party games. I don't know why you're even considering Wii U when the Wii was such an utter disappointment to you. For 2 whole years, 99% of games not made by Nintendo or Microsoft will be available to you on PS3. That's the answer to your gaming question. Look no further than the console you already own.

Please don't try to talk Ian Sane out of buying a Wii U. I fear he is on the fence as it is, so don't push him. This is also a Nintendo fansite anyway, so telling someone not to buy a WiiU should probably be against the rules or something.

And in all seriousness, if he stops being a Nintendo customer altogether there might not be any reason for him to stay on this site, so he might leave. Do you want that to happen? I don't.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 28, 2012, 08:27:29 PM
If all he's going to do is bitch about how Nintendo isn't doing exactly what he thinks they should and complain about every single thing and never acknowledge anything good, then I don't mind if he leaves. That's not to say you should never be negative around here; I wouldn't mind seeing those kind of people gone either, but if you're just going to harp on the same points over and over again I'm not going to make any kind of effort to prevent you from taking that elsewhere.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 28, 2012, 08:37:35 PM
Of the three current home systems, I have only a Wii and I don't regret it or feel left out. There are certainly some games on the XBox 360 and PS3 which appeal to me, but whenever I try to make a list it always ends up being smaller than I would have thought. I've never come up with enough games that interest me so I've never wanted to pay current-gen pricing for those systems and games. I may get one of them in a few years after successors are out and they get cheap, but even then there still may not be enough for me (plus some of the games I'd want are online games that may not still be functional). Meanwhile I keep finding games on Wii that I like, some have even surprised me, so I see no reason for me to buy another system yet.


A truly hard-core gamer would *need* all three systems.
This is a sentiment that I agree with. With the amount that some hardcore gamers play, there's simply no way that any one system could satiate them.


This is exactly how I feel.  You get caught up in a game when it is announced and you want to play the game...but in the end, you eventually drop it...because excitement for another game comes out.  I think it is easy to make this hobby a one system hobby...and therefore make it cheaper.  Just find something to play and enjoy it...and if you miss something let it go.  I haven't had a Wii in 2 years, because I moved to S.Korea.  I go to Wii Rooms here and play whatever games they have when I am missing games, which is a rather small number of games...but I have fun.  Eventually, those games I missed out on, disappear from my mind as new games come out that are more exciting.  Did I miss out on something special, probably but it honestly doesn't matter to me.

Now, the problem I do understand for Nintendo Wii gamers is that this last year people may not have had enough games to play to keep them busy, specially if they choose to play older games to catch up...because old games never take the excitement from new game releases and announcements (at least for me.)  But you know what...Nintendo has still had games come out this year, and third parties...and there were old VC consoles to catch up on, and Wii Ware games...and so I think even in this drought for me...it would not be an issue. 

If or when I get back into gaming, I will only be a one console owner...and still probably only Nintendo, because I still prefer their style and sensibility of games. 
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Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2012, 08:37:48 PM
And in all seriousness, if he stops being a Nintendo customer altogether there might not be any reason for him to stay on this site, so he might leave. Do you want that to happen? I don't.
Wait, is that a trick question? No, I'm just kidding. One doesn't have to stop coming here just because he/she doesn't have the latest Nintendo wares. We talk about games and generally shoot the **** but this isn't about the message board. What I don't get is continually buying Nintendo hardware when one isn't enjoying Nintendo games. That's the only reason one should buy Nintendo hardware. The ONLY one. Generally speaking, Ian hasn't liked the last 5 years worth of Nintendo games. That's a long time to keep eating at a restaurant that he dislikes even if he used to like eating there. More importantly, he has something that provides him with the entertainment he desires. Why mess with a good thing? If money is an issue (and it usually is), why make it a bigger one? He has a PS3; he should enjoy his PS3 for as long as he can. Then, he can get a PS4. If he doesn't agree with the way Nintendo conducts business these days, stop giving them money and give it to someone who gives him what he wants (i.e. Sony). That's the simplest, most straight forward logic there is.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 28, 2012, 08:58:30 PM
I'm not sure if its necessarily Sony which gives him what he wants either. Its the third parties. Sony and Microsoft have them, and Nintendo doesn't. But with the WiiU that could very well change, and if it does then he could own a WiiU and be perfectly satisfied.
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Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2012, 09:17:12 PM
I don't think I can be any clearer. Why buy a Wii U when for at least the first couple of years all of those 3rd party games will be on the PS3 he already has? Why buy a Wii U when he doesn't like Nintendo games anymore? The choice is pretty simple at this point. Don't buy Nintendo hardware. Buy something else. Why bother waiting to see if the state of 3rd party support will change? Just don't get it. He has a console that has all 3rd party games then he can get its successor which will still have all the 3rd party games. The only reason a person would buy a Wii U knowing that he/she doesn't like Nintendo games is so he/she can complain about it and is that really worth the trouble? Since cost is an issue, it's not worth it. He shouldn't willingly put himself in a position to be disappointed. He knows what he wants. He knows why he wants it. And he knows how to get it. PS3 is his console of choice today. PS4 is his one console of the future then he can get a Wii U when it's super-cheap and rummage through the backlog if he so chooses. The end. Problem solved and 2-3 years ahead of time.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 28, 2012, 10:10:05 PM
I think to be fair to Ian Sane...he doesn't hate all Nintendo software.  He loves the characters and the games.  He loves the potential of Nintendo and the quality Nintendo brings even when the potential isn't met.  Nintendo is still one of the greatest talents in this business. 

However, Nintendo isn't the only talent or even great talent in this business anymore.  And Ian's complaint about getting crap support for reasons Nintendo could have prevented for more foresight is valid.  Nintendo has made many short sided business decisions that were great for business, but bad for their market...and eventually good business decisions that hurt your market position become bad business decisions. 

Hopefully, Nintendo has seen that, and all indication is that they have and are working towards fixing it.  However, gamers like Ian have a right to feel concerned about the issue, and still want Nintendo to succeed and root for Nintendo.  There is still a reason to get a WiiU if there is a PS3 port of it.  The WiiU controller may give better interface or new gaming options, the WiiU has Nintendo exclusives, the WiiU can allow you to play your games and watch TV, the WiiU will potentially have higher quality graphics. 

And, if the PS4 isn't out for 1 1/2 or 2 years after the WiiU is launched that is long time of higher quality gaming on a Nintendo system than the rival.  Plus, Nintendo may still be bringing better motion controls to the table with the WiiU.

So, I think Ian Sane is quite Sane in his arguments, and position...though I personally disagree. 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on February 28, 2012, 10:39:35 PM
I think to be fair to Ian Sane...he doesn't hate all Nintendo software.  He loves the characters and the games.  He loves the potential of Nintendo and the quality Nintendo brings even when the potential isn't met.

Mm. Maybe it's just because I don't know the guy well, or because I'm relatively new here, or because I'm just flat-out misunderstanding much of what he says, but that hasn't been my impression. While I admittedly haven't been paying super-close attention, I'm hard pressed to think of many things he's said that support your statement. Judging from some of the reactions here, I'm not alone. Perhaps this perception lies at the heart of the matter?
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Post by: ThePerm on February 28, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
idk, Wii U seems to offer what Iansane wants. its got good graphics, they might not ultimately be the best, but you won't be able to tell the difference. Its got a controller with a regular amount of buttons that can be controlled with a joystick, and its got other options as well. I really think around e3 Wii U will get hyped ridiculously. From the sounds of it Nintendo is picking a good dream team this time. The way Epic has been running the game engine business out of xbox and playstation has been dis favorable to Nintendo. CryEngine however has existed in the shadows second banana to unreal in use mainly on the PC, but now they have a chance to throw some big support to Nintendo and create a strong mutually beneficial relationship. The thing that also interests me about Crytek is that Crytek UK, is Free Radicals AKA the Goldeneye team.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2012, 10:57:44 PM
Even if Wii U offers Ian what he wants, the PS3 he already owns does too. Wii U is potential, the PS3 he's sitting on is a sure thing. The PS4 will likely continue the trend.

And who said Ian hates all Nintendo software? He's clearly demonstrated on numerous occasions that he's dissatisfied with Nintendo's offerings on the Wii. He's certainly within his right to dislike whatever he wants. That's not the issue. Even considering purchasing a Wii U at this point proves to be completely illogical from his standpoint. If one dislikes Nintendo's games over the past few years, it stands to reason that one will continue to do so. His issue lies in Nintendo's entire philosophy on games these days. We've all heard it countless times from him. "Gimmicks controls are for casual rubes" and other such Ian-isms. Fine. If that's how he feels, so be it. But, there's no reason to beat a dead horse... or, in this case, buy a new horse, beat it to death then continue beating it postmortem THEN complain about having paid for the new horse all while already owning a different horse that does what the new horse was originally purchased for. Wait, where was I?

This doesn't need to be a problem. In fact, it isn't one. Wii U should not be something that Ian is thinking about buying. It'll only lead to disappointment because Nintendo doesn't make the kinds of games that resonates with him anymore. Sad but unfortunately also true. If he buys a Wii U on his own volition, knowing full-well how he feels about Nintendo games, he relinquishes his right to complain about it. He probably would anyway but that's what makes no sense. That's like continually dipping your hand in boiling water. It hurts but you keep doing it. Why? **** if I know. You tell me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on February 28, 2012, 11:17:56 PM
I think the way that this thread became about IanSane just shows how much he's become a part of this community, and how significant his views and perspective are in our discussions. What a great derailing of a thread! ^_^

As for me, I've been a one-console gamer most/all of my life (I'm not sure if the PSX I had in the 32/64 bit era counts, I bought practically no games for it. Oh, and I say a DS and PC don't count. &P). Call me optimistic, but I think the Wii U is looking so very viable for a one-console situation again. It looks like it will have some decent compatibility with cross-platform engine tech, and it looks like it will have enough technical power to satisfy someone like me who JUST NOW is getting an HDTV (second-hand even! Wottadeal!). Those are good signs for third party support.

I don't expect the Wii U to be NES/Super NES level of every-game-under-sun, but I definitely hope it will best the N64, GC, and Wii in that department.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on February 28, 2012, 11:20:01 PM
If one dislikes Nintendo's games over the past few years, it stands to reason that one will continue to do so. His issue lies in Nintendo's entire philosophy on games these days.

I think you're misunderstanding Ian's viewpoints. He doesn't hate Nintendo, its characters, or even all of its games. What he loathes is the gameplay or how Nintendo's games have controlled the past 5 years via the Wii/DS. And I'm completely understanding of his rants and pessimistic forum posts over the last couple of years. However, Nintendo's next console looks to change things up from what was done on the Wii. As it's already been noted, third parties are thrilled with this new console, and everything Spak said previously is true. Ian has every right to be intrigued by Nintendo's next console, and should be allowed to purchase it to please his gaming needs. It'll be a more powerful system with a more interesting control scheme - something the PS3 won't give him.

I kinda sit in the same boat as him anyway - though not as severe in my opinion. I've been really dissatisfied with Nintendo's approach to gaming this past generation. I'm also a PS3 owner, too. But why should I wait for the PS4 to get my "next-gen" gaming fix, when it's about to happen in the second half of this year? No. I love Nintendo and its characters. I want that AND all of the third party offerings in one simply awesome package. Hopefully I'll be getting just that over the course of the next several years, too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on February 28, 2012, 11:23:57 PM
I think the way that this thread became about IanSane just shows how much he's become a part of this community, and how significant his views and perspective are in our discussions. What a great derailing of a thread! ^_^

It's true. I even had a conversation about Ian with another forum member in person! And every day I listen to talk radio, I always imagine the guy in the radio ranting and raving about politics is Ian on the other side. I had to PM about his thoughts on Skyward Sword cause I just had to know how he of all people felt about it. He didn't beat it cause he got stuck on a flying portion he doesn't like, but he more or less said the controls are good! With that and Yoshi's tongue Ian is set! If he likes it, who doesn't?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2012, 11:39:08 PM
I think you're misunderstanding Ian's viewpoints. He doesn't hate Nintendo, its characters, or even all of its games.
/facepalm

I never claimed he did. However, he wants Nintendo to makes games a certain way and they just aren't doing it that. He isn't getting what he wants from them. So, no, I'm not misunderstanding his viewpoints.
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But why should I wait for the PS4 to get my "next-gen" gaming fix, when it's about to happen in the second half of this year?
Well, you can do whatever you want. However, Ian specifically cited cost as an issue. Almost every 3rd party game coming out on Wii U is also coming out on PS3. If cost is an issue, why pay $300+ for a new console to play games that are also available on a console that is already sitting under the TV?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on February 28, 2012, 11:50:31 PM
And I never said that you claimed you did. :P

Maybe we'll see a return of classic Nintendo next go around... maybe not. But anyway...

BnM.. any new rumors? Talk going on around the industry? Please? Hah.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 28, 2012, 11:55:15 PM
The only reason a person would buy a Wii U knowing that he/she doesn't like Nintendo games is so he/she can complain about it

Another reason would be brand loyalty.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2012, 11:59:48 PM
Here's my impersonation of you, Chozo Ghost.

"Hi, I'm Chozo Ghost. I like to take everything literally. Also, what's sarcasm?"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 29, 2012, 12:05:51 AM
BnM.. any new rumors? Talk going on around the industry? Please? Hah.

Nothing for this thread really, besides 2nd/3rd hand comments "from devs" about Wii U without a doubt being much better than PS360, but at the same time, the previous kits had left much to be desired. New kits could be a slightly different picture, but far from the "order of magnitude" jump people will be expecting from the likes of Sony with the PS4 (like PS2 -> PS3 jump for next gen if PS3 was the PS2 in this situation)
 
But I've been procrastinating on updating the Xbox720 thread with talk of codename Durango. Atleast I don't think I posted it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 29, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
I think we should blame BlackNMild for this thread once again descending into chaos. Get your **** together, man.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on February 29, 2012, 12:08:27 AM
Adrock, remove thy face from thy palm, lest it become permanently affixed to it.

Also, Kairon and all others concerned: I also do not consider handhelds, such as the DS, when claiming to be a single console owner. I differentiate between the two, and I see nothing wrong with doing so. PSP and Vita aside, handhelds and consoles have traditionally tended to offer different experiences (though the 3DS may be flirting with line itself just a little bit).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on February 29, 2012, 12:13:09 AM
Heh Heh
Bluff = Called
 
Advantage: Adrock

You play a dangerous game, Mr. Bond!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on February 29, 2012, 12:18:37 AM
And I never said that you claimed you did. :P:

Maybe we'll see a return of classic Nintendo next go around... maybe not. But anyway...

BnM.. any new rumors? Talk going on around the industry? Please? Hah.

Smooth.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 29, 2012, 12:33:55 AM
I think we should blame BlackNMild for this thread once again descending into chaos. Get your **** together, man.

I wasn't gonna post this, but I have it written on a napkin (not by me) that PS3 is coming next year and X720 might not till 2014.
I know where this info is coming from, but I think it was misinformation the sake of misinformation as it also came with a message to check IGN for more info.

I didn't push any further for more info since I would rather have an invite to E3 instead.

But if this info helps you guys get away from yet another "Ian hates Nintendo" conversation, then I surrender it willingly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on February 29, 2012, 04:38:15 AM
We'll from what devs have said, Wii U will have power that this gen doesn't :P

Zelda HD looked good at last year's E3, can't wait to see how far actual games have come since then.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on February 29, 2012, 04:52:38 AM
HOELY **** BALLS

Someone has leaked a trailer for ZELDASASASAS ahead of GDC. It looks.....amazing. And it's for the UUUUWIIIII



It's a fan made trailer
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 29, 2012, 04:57:16 AM
Called it yesterday.... Thread would go in this direction. Don't feed the parasprites.

Anyway that is interesting BlackNMild. That kinda leaves the Wii U coming out the same postion as the 360 was this gen. Think it will get the same type of support as it did if this is indeed true?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on February 29, 2012, 05:16:59 AM
Minus the lack of sales due to pricing and ubber fail fortrying to be first? nah... But getting 3party support...? Yes,yes it will!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 29, 2012, 07:28:50 AM
Called it yesterday.... Thread would go in this direction. Don't feed the parasprites.
It wasn't so much about "hardcore vs. casual" as it was about how Ian could logically save $300 over the course of a few years. There was no name calling or mudslinging. Off topic but that's bound to happen in a thread 220+ pages long. I don't think Ian hates Nintendo; I just think, all things considered, he'd be happier sticking with the PS3 he already owns for the time being and strongly considering its successor over Wii U. If Wii U happens to tickle his fancy at some point, he should get one but there's no reason for him to jump in early. Holding off allows him to save money like he wants, scope out the trajectory of 3rd party support and test run some 1st party games from friends or demo kiosks. All of those things allows him to make an informed decision. There should be no surprises then. While he's enjoying 3rd party games on PS3 (the same basic 3rd party games the Wii U will have during that time frame), he gets to decide if Wii U floats his boat. He's free to do what he wants but that certainly sounds like the most logical path.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 29, 2012, 09:33:34 AM
Anyway that is interesting BlackNMild. That kinda leaves the Wii U coming out the same postion as the 360 was this gen. Think it will get the same type of support as it did if this is indeed true?

If the PS4 and X720 aka "Durango" are only the minor bumps (20% or so more than Wii U) that is rumored/speculated they will be, then the Wii U will be like the 360 was this gen and both the PS4 & 720 will be like the PS3 of this gen. Especially if they both have tablet/touch screened controllers like rumored. Just rememeber that I take what was written on that napkin with a whole lot of salt.

But hopefully some juicy rumors come out of GDC considering that Nintendo will be showing Wii U of behind closed doors and it's rumored that Crytek has something (CryEngine 3 demo... TS4?) to showcase too.

GDC2012triforceboothsetup.jpg
HYPE
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 29, 2012, 09:51:10 AM
They have plenty of time to revamp their hardware to make the jump from Wii U even greater in an attempt to make Wii U look dated. Considering Sony's hard-on for powerful hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if their next console is powered by Skynet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 29, 2012, 01:35:27 PM
I thought Adrock was telling me to stick to the PS3 for the next gen period.  I didn't realize he meant until the PS4 comes out.

I'm very interested in the Wii U because when you look at their entire videogame history, I really like Nintendo.  I've just been very disappointed in the direction they have gone in the last generation - and that mostly relates to inaccurate controls that I find utterly frustrating to use.  I want the Wii U to be where they get back on track.  I think it's a given that the Wii U will ultimately determine what kind of company Nintendo truly wants to be.

Now I'm not going to buy a Wii U at launch because I got burned by the Wii.  It's just good sense to wait and see.  In that sense sticking with my PS3 for the near future makes sense.  If I wait until the PS4 comes out that will have given the Wii U a good amount of time to properly judge it and make the call on what to go with.

Though I should note that the PS3 has not been all that satisfying either.  The problem with it - no Nintendo games.  Nobody makes games better.  The problem is that by going with such wonky controls on the Wii, it's been as if NO ONE has made Nintendo console games this gen.  Tight, responsive and intuitive controls were a big part of why I felt Nintendo made the best games and the Wii was specifically a rejection of that.  So my choices were either games that lack Nintendo's polish but control the way I want or games with Nintendo's polish that are a chore to play because of the controls.  What I've learned is that I'm kind of snob for Nintendo-level quality and if Nintendo themselves don't offer that then really no system has much to offer me.  If I don't get a Wii U, I might just stick to retro consoles.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on February 29, 2012, 01:52:23 PM
They have plenty of time to revamp their hardware to make the jump from Wii U even greater in an attempt to make Wii U look dated. Considering Sony's hard-on for powerful hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if their next console is powered by Skynet.

I really don't see this being the way to go, specially for Sony.  They got burned big time this gen by going so hard with their system specs.  As a result, the PS3 was released at upwards of 600 dollars if I remember correctly.  This, along with developers having difficulty getting the most out of the system began the fall of Sony as the market leader it once was. 

I think, as others have said, that we have reached a point where graphics will no longer matter as much.  The cost of having high end specs will be too great for results that will not really be noticeable to the average person.  Developement costs are already too high which has resulted, IMO, in the deaths of many studios.  The costs are at a point that if you produce one high budget game for PS360 and it flops, that could be the end of your company.  I think the focus on the next gen will be on development costs and ease of development.  The graphics will be good enough for everyone with only a minor or decent bump in specs.   
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on February 29, 2012, 02:07:39 PM
While that's a good point, Mannypon, especially the cost of the PS3 on launch, I don't think that will stop them from going rather high-end. Yes it's true that development costs are on the rise, but that doesn't necessarily mean Sony won't put out a high-end product so developers could make insanely detailed games if they wanted to.

Also I think Sony feels that its biggest competitor is Microsoft, not Nintendo. So if Microsoft puts out a high-end system, they will feel obligated to do so also. Furthermore, if Microsoft doesn't put out a spec'd out system than Sony may feel like there's an opportunity to win the specs war.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on February 29, 2012, 02:25:45 PM
That is all true and it all comes down to what exactly they want to accomplish businesswise but I think at the end of the day, if they want to stop bleeding money, they'll have to go conservative.  They won the spec wars this gen and it resulted in the destruction of the empire they built off the PS2.  They had the most success during the PS2 era which, of the big 3 at the time, I would argue was the weakest spec wise.  I think they'll try to stay in line with the competition with maybe a slight advantage hardware wise.  We won't really know this for sure though for another year or two at the least (until we can open up said systems and see what they really got under the hood)
 
We need some rumors in the worst way though lol, these threads are branching out to new thread territories.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 29, 2012, 02:27:09 PM
The Blu Ray drive really pushed the price of the PS3 to unacceptable levels. That's no longer an issue. Price still doesn't seem to concern Sony very much considering Vita is a penny pincher's nightmare. Still, there are ways for Sony to cut costs. How they handle backwards compatibility is one. PS3 initially included the entire PS2 chipset within it further driving up costs. Alternatives include PS4 emulating PS3 games like how 360 ran Xbox games, having a PS3 mode like how Wii runs GCN games or cutting disc based BC altogether (in favor of downloads) or just cutting it entirely period.

Ultimately, I don't think packing egregiously powerful an pricey hardware is something Sony of all companies will lose much sleep over.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 29, 2012, 04:33:50 PM
The Blu Ray drive really pushed the price of the PS3 to unacceptable levels. That's no longer an issue. Price still doesn't seem to concern Sony very much considering Vita is a penny pincher's nightmare. Still, there are ways for Sony to cut costs. How they handle backwards compatibility is one. PS3 initially included the entire PS2 chipset within it further driving up costs. Alternatives include PS4 emulating PS3 games like how 360 ran Xbox games, having a PS3 mode like how Wii runs GCN games or cutting disc based BC altogether (in favor of downloads) or just cutting it entirely period.

Ultimately, I don't think packing egregiously powerful an pricey hardware is something Sony of all companies will lose much sleep over.
I think BC was a bad example.  Sony ultimate solution was to totally take it out of later systems and start reselling the games even though it was the system with the most to gain from BC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on February 29, 2012, 04:42:25 PM
A bad example of what? How to potentially lower the cost of the PS4 hardware? If so, I'm sorry but I don't understand how that was a bad example.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on February 29, 2012, 05:10:42 PM
I'm really not sure where the PS4 and Xbox 720 can go where there is a clear need to upgrade other than the company telling its userbase "sorry, we don't make games for the old system anymore!"  I know there are reasons to go with better hardware and not all of them are related to graphics but are they enough to easily sell people on another gen?

This gen all of the systems had some inadequacy.  The Wii didn't have the HD hardware and the PS3 and X360 didn't have motion control.  There had to be a Wii successor.  The inadequacy was in the guts of the system itself and you couldn't update that with a peripheral.  But the other systems could get their motion control as peripherals and did.  So what do we need a PS4 for other than the fact that Nintendo is releasing a new system so I guess Sony has to as well?  Yeah we can always have better hardware but is it enough of difference to make it worthwhile at this point?

I figure they'll all copy the tablet thing entirely because it provides SOME justification in the marketing for going with a new system.  It isn't even a creative idea on Nintendo's part since it really just the DS applied to a console.  But even with the obvious need for new hardware Nintendo felt they needed something else to really justify it.  The gimmick is the future of new videogame generations because mere upgrades in hardware are not noticable enough to make people think they need to upgrade.  I expect that to be the trend until someone has a new system bomb because of an inability to differentiate it from the old one and then everyone will ease off and the generations will get longer and longer.  Though I think the real future is in having no difference between handhelds and consoles and that everyone will just own a handheld that can be connected to the TV and turned into a console with extra controllers and such plugged in.  The handheld's screen can even be the tablet controller if that idea really takes off.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 29, 2012, 10:26:32 PM
Just wait till they reveal the haptic touch screen
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on February 29, 2012, 11:43:18 PM
A bad example of what? How to potentially lower the cost of the PS4 hardware? If so, I'm sorry but I don't understand how that was a bad example.
It was an example of feature loss.  I can't take my PS1/2 collection and play it on a brand spanking new PS3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 29, 2012, 11:50:25 PM
PS2, no. But you can take your PS1 collection and play it on a new PS3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 01, 2012, 12:47:16 AM
Ian, I think it's always been like that.

SNES's gimmick was more buttons.

N64's gimmick was the analogue stick and 3D.

Gamecube's gimmick was dual-analogue sticks and analogue triggers.

The Wii's gimmick was motion control.

The Wii U's gimmick is a touchscreen.

The trend of gimmicks has always existed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 01, 2012, 01:01:11 AM
I think the difference with the Wii U will be that its gimmick will be harmless. I'm saying that for 2 reasons:

1) The touchscreen isn't something developers are forced to make use of, and if they want to make use of it they can just use it for a map or HUD or something easy and simple like that. Its not going to be like the Wiimote where a game has to be radically altered in order to function with it. The Tablet controller can simply be a traditional controller, and the touchscreen doesn't have to be employed at all.

2) It looks like the competition is going to rip off the tablet idea. This is bad for Nintendo having yet another of their innovations stolen, but its a good thing for developers because it makes their task of making multiplatform games much easier, because all three consoles will have similar controls. Again, that's very different than how it was with the Wiimote versus the traditional controllers of the competition.

So the Wii's gimmick ended up being a bad thing for developers, but the Wii U's gimmick is at worst something that can just be ignored. The Wii U's gimmick is pretty much just a console based rehash of the DS' touch screen gimmick, and I don't need to point out how extremely successful the DS has been as a system, so I'm certain the Wii U will do well if not great as a console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2012, 02:16:11 AM
Ian, I think it's always been like that.

SNES's gimmick was more buttons.

N64's gimmick was the analogue stick and 3D.

Gamecube's gimmick was dual-analogue sticks and analogue triggers.

The Wii's gimmick was motion control.

The Wii U's gimmick is a touchscreen.

The trend of gimmicks has always existed.

Don't forget the NES' gimmick: R.O.B. and a Lightgun!
Title: $299 Wii U @ launch?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2012, 05:17:30 AM
Wii U to launch @ $299?
from same source that said 768MB of "embedded" DRAM.... salt shakers everyone?

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Nintendo will price the Wii U aggressively at $299 when it launches later this year, according to a report WiiUDaily has received (from the same source that brought us the Wii U system specs rumor (http://wiiudaily.com/2011/12/wii-u-has-quad-core-3ghz-cpu-768-mb-of-ram/)). Nintendo will price the Wii U at $299 in the US, $299 Euro in Europe, and at 20,000 Yen in Japan, which comes in at around $250 USD. No word on Wii U software pricing.

If everything we've heard about the Wii U is true, then a $299 price point would certainly mean that Nintendo was selling at a loss for each system. But how likely is it that everything we have heard is true?
$299 is still my guess for lowest price, but I lean more towards $349.99 based on what's been rumored so far.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 01, 2012, 05:39:11 AM
It would sell out and be hard to find for months on end at that price. Then you would have people selling it on ebay for 3 times more. I don't think that would be in anyone's best interest (except the scalpers). $299 is the price Nintendo will want to get it down to in order to hit critical mass in terms of sales, but if the supply isn't going to be able to keep up with that then $329-$349 might be better for the time being. They can always drop the price later on once sales begin to taper off.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 01, 2012, 06:33:52 AM
I don't think $300 would be selling at a loss if we're using the rumors as a base. Every component in the tablet besides the screen is already in the 3DS or DSi. Being 7 (or was 9?) times more powerful than the 360 is certainly possible on a budget when you consider how far even phones have come in the past 6 years (7 by launch).

$300 plus a pack-in game is very plausible and profitable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 01, 2012, 07:06:52 AM
I would be surprised if it were 300. Even if they'd be making a profit at that point, they can get away with charging more than that and still sell out the first few shipments.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 01, 2012, 07:54:09 AM
That's the exact same mistake they made with the 3DS.

Perceived value vs. Real value.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 01, 2012, 08:17:10 AM
It was an example of feature loss.  I can't take my PS1/2 collection and play it on a brand spanking new PS3.
I'm still not sure how it's a "bad" example. It wasn't a lost feature until Sony made it one. The original 60GB PS3 (and the MGS4 gun metal edition) had full BC because it had the PS2's entire chipset inside. Depending on how Sony handles BC in PS4, they can drive the cost down while still preserving BC. I read a rumor that they're considering ditching Cell which would essentially veto a Wii-like GCN mode approach. That would leave Sony with 2 options if they hope to keep cost down as much as possible: emulation or dropping backwards compatibility. Sony doesn't have to lose the feature entirely if they don't want to.
$299 is still my guess for lowest price, but I lean more towards $349.99 based on what's been rumored so far.
I'm hoping for $299 but I still think Nintendo is launching at $349.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 01, 2012, 09:33:41 AM
I think they would want to lose backwards compatibility. Letting people play old games for free doesn't make Sony any money. They want you to rebuy those old games so they can get more money out of you.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on March 01, 2012, 09:39:40 AM
I can see the Wii U being priced at $299.99, that was even my predicted launch price, and Nintendo has said once or twice that they're learned lessons from the 3DS. I'm guessing that means the Wii U will have a more reasonable price -and software to boot- so that Nintendo can avoid slashing a third of the price off within the first six months.
 
That said, a Wii U Ambassador Program with 10 Super NES and 10 GameCube games for early adopters would be pretty rad.  ;)
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Post by: broodwars on March 01, 2012, 01:16:35 PM
I think they would want to lose backwards compatibility. Letting people play old games for free doesn't make Sony any money. They want you to rebuy those old games so they can get more money out of you.

There's no reason to single-out Sony on that, though.  Microsoft hasn't been a big supporter of BC either, and Nintendo is practically the master of trying to get people to buy the same game multiple times.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 01, 2012, 01:35:14 PM
I want the Wii U at a price point that has value to it.  If the system has to be a little more expensive in order to be capable, then so be it.  I would have gladly paid a higher price for a more powerful Wii.  I wasn't getting any deal with that price point, it was trade-off.

I do not want Nintendo to bork the specs to keep the price down.  They shouldn't have a $600 console either.  The whole thing is a balancing act.  And I sure as hell don't want the hardware to be severely compromised so that Nintendo can have a higher profit margin on the console itself.  That REALLY pissed me off with the Wii.  They didn't lower the specs so that everyone could afford it, it was so Nintendo could have a high profit margin.  They shouldn't take a loss but their profit margin for the hardware shouldn't be so high to compromise the system itself, which is what they did with the Wii.

1. It needs to be affordable.
2. It needs to be capable of playing modern games and competing directly with the next generation of videogame consoels.
3. It cannot lose money and really should have some sort of profit margin.

All three of those are essential and none of them should be serverely compromised.  The Wii compromised too much on item 2 and the PS3 compromised too much on 1 and 3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 01, 2012, 01:37:08 PM
Outside of a few games, Nintendo still supports an entire generation's worth of games. Wii completely supported GameCube and Wii U completely supports the Wii. Every generation of their handhelds has supported the previous one. Only Gameboy Micro, DSi, and the new model Wii ditched BC and by the time those hit, you knew what you were getting and still had the option to get the other BC supported models.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2012, 02:31:52 PM
I still think a $299 pricepoint sounds most natural, especially in today's economic environment and with a devalued US dollar. I imagine the economy must be killing Nintendo's ability to price this thing higher.

But lately I've been warming to the idea of a multiple SKU solution to having stronger hardware but claiming a mass market price, with a $299 base model that Nintendo loses/makes less money on, and a $399 model with a custom casing, pack-in Wii-U Play game, 8 GB SD card, and some "Ambassador Downloads".
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 01, 2012, 06:25:52 PM
I think $299.99  is very likely...but I also see Nintendo pushing for $324.99 at launch as well.

I want Nintendo to make a profit from every system sold, and I want them to get things right with power...I am sure Nintendo may have been aiming for a $249.99 to $299.99 price point originally, and started putting new tech in...so that extra 25 dollars could be seen in the spec bump. 

What I want is for Nintendo to allow your VC and Wiiware games to go over to the Wii U...but I want them not to just go over.  I hope it hooks to your Nintendo account online and any downloaded games you have listed as yours can be transferred over without need of a Wii. 

I sold my Wii and disconnected all the VC games from the Wii...only to find out now nobody can play them.  It sucks, because it was literally hundreds of dollars of games.  Now, I know it would play a big part of me buying a Wii U if I can get those games back.  In fact right now, I wouldn't buy a Wii U because I am tired of how expensive gaming is...but I would buy it if I got all those games immediately back because they are the classics I love. 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 01, 2012, 07:22:07 PM
I think they would want to lose backwards compatibility. Letting people play old games for free doesn't make Sony any money. They want you to rebuy those old games so they can get more money out of you.

There's no reason to single-out Sony on that, though.  Microsoft hasn't been a big supporter of BC either, and Nintendo is practically the master of trying to get people to buy the same game multiple times.

Microsoft's reason was that the Xbox 360 used a different GPU than the Xbox, so BC would have to be on the software side. If anything, they have shown that they care more than Sony  on the matter because for like 2 years they spent time and money adding games to the BC list (though they never got around to one of my favorite Xbox games: TimeSplitters 2).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 01, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
I think they would want to lose backwards compatibility. Letting people play old games for free doesn't make Sony any money. They want you to rebuy those old games so they can get more money out of you.

There's no reason to single-out Sony on that, though.  Microsoft hasn't been a big supporter of BC either, and Nintendo is practically the master of trying to get people to buy the same game multiple times.

Nintendo tries to get people to buy the same game multiple times, but they have had the best backwards compatibility record in recent years. The 3DS, DS, Wii, and soon Wii U all feature backwards compatibility to some degree. They don't extend backwards compatibility as far back as they possibly could, but they do a far better job of it than either Sony or Microsoft.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 02, 2012, 12:27:06 AM
Hey BnM Any rumors pertaining to GDC yet?  Seeing that were mere days away, I'm sure hoping to hear more on Wii U, maybe actual software shown off running on hardware, really wanna see what it can do lol.

Love to hear it.... MEGATON!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2012, 12:52:41 AM
Hey BnM Any rumors pertaining to GDC yet?  Seeing that were mere days away, I'm sure hoping to hear more on Wii U, maybe actual software shown off running on hardware, really wanna see what it can do lol.

Love to hear it.... MEGATON!

News:
Crytek Nottingham (aka Free Radical) is Excited about Wii U!!

Rumor:
CryEngine Wii U Demo @ GDC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720711#msg720711)
Timesplitters 4 Coming To Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720904#msg720904)

Speculation/Observation:
Wii U Triforce @ GDC? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg718814#msg718814)

(http://i.imgur.com/x6Nw7.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/WtPnM.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 02, 2012, 01:32:49 AM
I smell... BACON!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 02, 2012, 01:35:30 AM
Speaking of Crytek and closeness with AMD, how about BioWare? seeing they are close to AMD as well. Would be nice to see the next Dragon Age game or Mass Effect III etc. I'm a big fan of both series.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 02, 2012, 01:46:41 AM
How come Sony has the largest real estate? If you combine the Tri-force alliance their territory is larger, but individually they are all smaller than Sony.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 02, 2012, 02:06:27 AM
Sony is showing off more than just games.  They have tvs, computers, bluray players, etc.  They need more space for those different revenue streams.
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Post by: MegaByte on March 02, 2012, 02:18:58 AM
No, they only show games (and their 3D TVs with the games). They always have a huge booth, though it helps to show off certain things like Eye/Move.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 02, 2012, 03:38:02 AM
It's because they are trying to compensate for something ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 03, 2012, 01:28:51 AM
This thread is a dry dry desert. DRY BONES!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 03, 2012, 01:31:56 AM
I prefer the thought of Dessert :D It's alot better, eh?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 03, 2012, 01:38:20 AM
Moist Dessert. Tres Leche Cake.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 03, 2012, 06:12:51 AM
The cakes a Lie!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on March 03, 2012, 08:49:50 AM
Actually MS booth is the largest for GDC, that and they have several smaller booths as well.  Nintendo in the front with Sony and MS has the back along with Valve and Epic who has large booths as well; being engine makers it does make sense for them to have large booths.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2012, 10:02:35 AM
Supposedly Valve might be unveiling the "Steam Box" @ GDC, so if that turns out to be true, they'll be showing off more than just an engine, since they now have a car to put it in.
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Post by: Ymeegod on March 03, 2012, 11:16:04 AM
If that was true, I'll eat my hat. 

Love it, a state of the art gaming machine at a LOW price that's going allow developers/publishers no royalities fee, sure and the damn thing prints MONEY to boot.

Another Phantom in the works or an early april's fools day joke.

 
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Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on March 03, 2012, 11:59:31 AM
I don't know where else to say this, so...

Assassin's Creed III to be a Wii U launch title?

A handful of sites have it listed, and we did, of course, get various comments at last year's E3 regarding an unannounced (at the time) Assassin's Creed game on the new console. Supposedly, Ubisoft is doing a big reveal for AC3 in less than two day's time, so if it is to be released on Wii U, I'd have thought they would mention it then.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 03, 2012, 02:12:11 PM
If that was true, I'll eat my hat. 

Love it, a state of the art gaming machine at a LOW price that's going allow developers/publishers no royalities fee, sure and the damn thing prints MONEY to boot.

Another 3D0 in the works or an early april's fools day joke.


Fixed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 03, 2012, 02:23:15 PM
allow developers/publishers no royalities fee

Huh? I'm pretty sure that Valve takes a cut of every sale, so I think that's effectively the same thing, isn't it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 03, 2012, 02:28:18 PM
Kairon is right, Valve DOES take a cut out of every game sold on Steam. They even mention in their FAQ:

"4. What is your revenue split?
We don't discuss our revenue split publicly. Once we take a look at your game, we'll get to those details. "

So don't expect that to change with any proposed Steam Box.
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Post by: Ymeegod on March 03, 2012, 03:49:32 PM
If you read the report it states how it's allowing EA's Origin and other services to be used without fees--hense everybody can use it free of charge. 

Also states how it's going play PC games which for the most part uses MS's API's, though there's an handful of Mac (CoCoa) and Linux (opengl) games, which means MS wouldn't have to approve this as well.

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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 03, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
If you read the report it states how it's allowing EA's Origin and other services to be used without fees--hense everybody can use it free of charge.

That's because hardware wise its a PC which will be running windows and/or Linux. That means anything which can run on those OSes can also run on this steambox. The only way they could stop it is if they closed the architecture and made it essentially like a console, but in that case software support would be limited and the thing would probably flop.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 03, 2012, 04:51:06 PM
The only way they could stop it is if they closed the architecture and made it essentially like a console, but in that case software support would be limited and the thing would probably flop.

Which is what Apple does with their computers, and why there really are so few Mac games (compared to Windows games).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 03, 2012, 05:17:25 PM
If you read the report it states how it's allowing EA's Origin and other services to be used without fees--hense everybody can use it free of charge.

That's because hardware wise its a PC which will be running windows and/or Linux. That means anything which can run on those OSes can also run on this steambox. The only way they could stop it is if they closed the architecture and made it essentially like a console, but in that case software support would be limited and the thing would probably flop.


Why would it flop? Game consoles are closed platforms, yet they still get plenty of developer support. Developers already know what to expect when developing for a game console, so why should a SteamBox be any exception?
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Post by: Adrock on March 03, 2012, 06:15:03 PM
Which is what Apple does with their computers, and why there really are so few Mac games (compared to Windows games).
That's what Apple does with iOS because Apple can demand absolute control of the platform. Outside of jailbreaking, users have to get software directly through the App Store. My understanding is that OSX is considerably less closed, much to the chagrin of Apple and especially the late Steve Jobs. The reason it has far less software is because developers have to make a Mac version and the userbase is significantly smaller than Windows. It's up to these companies to decide whether it's worth porting to OSX. Every Nintendo fan should be familiar with that reasoning. It's gotten significantly better. Mac gets more major software. Apple has made it easier since switching from Power PC to Intel though they're trying to exact more control of the platform with the Mac App Store and the rumors of them dropping support of disc drives. Not adopting Blu Ray despite being on the BDA is just the beginning. They want people to have to go through the Mac App Store.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 03, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
The Mac is not a closed platform in any way, shape or form. You need to follow certain rules to get on the Mac App Store, but you can release software outside of that that doesn't have to follow any rules. Also, the amount of games on the Mac has increased by a lot in recent years, thanks to the switch to Intel, the increasing market share and the introduction of a Mac version of Steam.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 03, 2012, 07:17:55 PM
Maybe things have changed in recent years (I have no desire to own a Mac), but Mac used to be very closed and in some ways it still is. If Apple didn't want your content on their platform, it wouldn't be allowed.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 03, 2012, 07:24:58 PM
That is not true and has never been true, at least as long as I've been using the platform, going back to about 1996.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 03, 2012, 08:02:08 PM
Well, it was true. They may have eased up a little since, but no software gets on Mac without Apple's approval.
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Post by: Ceric on March 03, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
Linux, Windows, and OSX are open platforms. 
Especially compared to all the Phone OSes and Consoles\Handhelds.

Where it really differs is what standards and APIs are available with them.
In General out of the 3 OSX is the most restrictive.
Linux if there is enough demand someone will make it. A lot of the time if its good from what I can tell OSX will also use is it.

Microsoft supports tons of standards.  A lot they have no real intention to ever use with there own product offerings.  They also have had a vested interest in gaming because it was a differentiator from the Apple offerings.  Thats how Direct X came into being.

Now Apple on the Hardware side is historically limited. Original iPod only worked with Macs,  Displays that used connections that were Apple Specific, etc.  Now days Apple couldn't get away with that.

With all that in mind today it honestly doesn't much matter who you go with.  None of them are really going to limit you in any way.  That battle has moved on to the phones.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 03, 2012, 08:07:53 PM
Well, it was true. They may have eased up a little since, but no software gets on Mac without Apple's approval.

That is absolutely false.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 03, 2012, 08:10:56 PM
Well, it was true. They may have eased up a little since, but no software gets on Mac without Apple's approval.

That is absolutely false.

In your opinion
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Post by: Adrock on March 03, 2012, 08:14:14 PM
From what I've read, the Mac is only "closed" if you consider the Mac App Store and the direction Apple seems to be going with that but anyone can make software for the Mac. Ceric and insanolord already touched on that. I'm admittedly fairly limited in my knowledge because I only read about it recreationally at work since I have the easiest job in the company I work for.

I'm really just curious how long it's going to take tj to relent. /grabs popcorn
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 03, 2012, 08:16:14 PM
Well, it was true. They may have eased up a little since, but no software gets on Mac without Apple's approval.

That is absolutely false.

In your opinion

No, in fact. Anyone can make whatever Mac software they want and release it however they want outside the Mac App Store without any kind of approval or involvement from Apple. You are misinformed.
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Post by: Adrock on March 03, 2012, 08:19:49 PM
You really should post a link before this gets messy. Or you can regulate with your magic modding powers. Either way.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 03, 2012, 08:26:42 PM
I don't even know how to link the fact that there are no limitations unless you want on the Mac App Store. I know there are several applications currently installed on my Mac that Apple wouldn't approve of, and that won't get on the Mac App Store because they do things Apple won't let you do on there.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 03, 2012, 09:29:51 PM
Well, it was true. They may have eased up a little since, but no software gets on Mac without Apple's approval.

That is absolutely false.

In your opinion

No, in fact. Anyone can make whatever Mac software they want and release it however they want outside the Mac App Store without any kind of approval or involvement from Apple. You are misinformed.


Before the Mac App Store existed (or any App Store for that matter), software developers would distribute their stuff on websites. That is how you can put any software on a Mac or PC, just by downloading it from the Web. You don't need a dedicated App Store. That just limits what a developer can do, since they'd have to get approval from the store owner (in this case Apple). In the "old days" we'd just download everything from the Web, regardless of if it was "approved" or not.
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Post by: Shaymin on March 03, 2012, 09:34:43 PM
There is a feature in 10.8 (Mountain Lion) called Gatekeeper that can be used to lock a Mac into the Mac App Store... but it's optional and user controlled. (Source (http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html)). Anyone can still go outside the App Store for open-source software, demos/betas which the App Store doesn't allow, or whatever you want.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 04, 2012, 02:03:43 AM
Why would it flop? Game consoles are closed platforms, yet they still get plenty of developer support. Developers already know what to expect when developing for a game console, so why should a SteamBox be any exception?

Because the console market is already heavily oversaturated, and even though the three in it presently may be profitable, console history is littered with examples of flops from many different companies like Sega, Atari, and so on. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo have been in the console business for at least a decade and in Microsoft's case they had to hemhorrage a huge amount of money to get the Xbox brand to where it is today. I don't think Valve has the billions at its disposal to strong arm its way to success like that, and even if they could why would they want to? They make money with their Steam service, and that's good enough. Its more in their interest to get that Steam service running on more hardware than to actually enter the hardware race themselves.

So that's why this thing is simply a PC and not a new proprietary console which developers would have to rework their games to support. It will run Windows, so any game which is designed for windows should work on the steambox. Developers also won't have to pay licensing fees like they do on consoles. They will have to pay to run their games on Steam, but that's how it is on any other PC as well.
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Post by: Adrock on March 04, 2012, 02:06:34 AM
I don't think Valve has the billions at its disposal to strong arm its way to success like that, and even if they could why would they want to?
Why else? To make even more money by spreading they brand.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 04, 2012, 02:10:08 AM
I don't think Valve has the billions at its disposal to strong arm its way to success like that, and even if they could why would they want to?
Why else? To make even more money by spreading they brand.

But they can spread their Steam brand just as well and at less cost by getting it to work on things like the WiiU.
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Post by: Adrock on March 04, 2012, 02:24:18 AM
And if Nintendo refuses?

There are certainly benefits to controlling your own platform. Why else would Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft bother?
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 04, 2012, 02:32:56 AM
I want substance! where's the Gossip? the Juicy details! The agony! BnM save us! Steam talk is killing me xD
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Post by: Mannypon on March 04, 2012, 02:59:46 AM
Tell me about it man lol, this week better bring news.  I've been popping on every couple of hours in hopes of a new scoop from BnM lol.  The wait for E3 is going to be brutal.
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 04, 2012, 03:09:22 AM
Yeah, with GDC coming up, I'm expecting news and showings of Wii U, actual game demos, Surprise game announcements, something big lol. Tri Force with AMD, Nintendo and Crytek being close to each other. Maybe we can get another DDR Mario from Konami? lol
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 04, 2012, 05:40:48 AM
And if Nintendo refuses?

Then Nintendo adopts Origin, or tries creating their own thing and then we end up with another 5 years of shitty online infrastructure on a Nintendo console. Steam is probably Nintendo's best option.

And even if Nintendo turns them down, that's where the Steambox comes in. Valve can expand Steam by having it preinstalled on PCs so it is available to more people. It looks like that is what they are aiming for with that. For the umpteenth time this is not a new console or platform, its a PC with Steam preinstalled. That's all it is.
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Post by: Adrock on March 04, 2012, 08:52:05 AM
Then Nintendo adopts Origin, or tries creating their own thing and then we end up with another 5 years of shitty online infrastructure on a Nintendo console. Steam is probably Nintendo's best option.
No, that's not the point. This isn't about Nintendo. It doesn't matter what they do here. This is about Valve. For clarification: If Nintendo refuses, then Valve doesn't get to expand their brand that way. Sucks for both of them but that's not the point. The point is Valve doesn't get to expand Steam through an existing console maker.
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And even if Nintendo turns them down, that's where the Steambox comes in. Valve can expand Steam by having it preinstalled on PCs so it is available to more people. It looks like that is what they are aiming for with that. For the umpteenth time this is not a new console or platform, its a PC with Steam preinstalled. That's all it is.
I'm not saying Valve can't expand Steam through pre-installation and/or a Steambox. Of course, they can. It would be silly to believe otherwise. That's the very definition of expansion. I'm saying Valve can also expand Steam by releasing their own console, especially one that could and probably would have cross platform play between PC and a Valve console, something no other console would likely offer.

You asked why Valve would want to release their own console and the answer is quite simple: To make more money. It's the same reason every other console that has released a console in the past has released a console. If there was no money to be made, they wouldn't make consoles. Of course, there are other ways of doing things. Valve probably shouldn't go through the headache of launching a console in an already crowded market in order to expand Steam's reach. However, it's not a question of should Valve release a console; it's a question of why.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 04, 2012, 09:37:28 AM
Making money on a console requires that the console succeed, and as history has shown that isn't always the case. The reason there are only 3 console makers right now when there have been so many others over the years is because all the others have failed. So the success rate for a console maker is actually pretty slim, because the overwhelming majority are now extinct.

If Valve did enter the console race many would view that as a hostile act and a threat and would take measures to undermine them. Its a safe bet that EA for example would refuse to support that console. EA is a major player in the console market, and the fact they didn't support the Dreamcast at all did have a lot to do with that console's failure. Would other companies besides EA support it? Maybe, maybe not. But without EA on board others may be more reluctant.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 04, 2012, 10:23:48 AM
To be honest, I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. I answered your question twice now. Why would Business X do Action Y? Because Business X wants to make money on Action Y. That doesn't mean they're going to. It means that's the plan. It's the same reason any company does anything. You insist on bringing in all of these different factors that are ultimately irrelevant to the question you originally asked and I answered. Regarding your original question, it doesn't matter if Valve succeeds, who supports what, and so on. You didn't ask about that originally. I answered your question with the only correct answer to it. You're posing these additional scenarios and, no offense, I'm not interested in discussing them.

In any case, we really need some Nintendo rumors to talk about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 04, 2012, 12:48:22 PM
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/03/04/nintendo-software-technology-developing-a-new-game/

Nintendo Software Technology developing some new unannounced game. They think it could be wave race or 1080.

But just a rumor from some guy at another forum, don't know how reliable he is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2012, 01:00:23 PM
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/03/04/nintendo-software-technology-developing-a-new-game/

Nintendo Software Technology developing some new unannounced game. They think it could be wave race or 1080.

But just a rumor from some guy at another forum, don't know how reliable he is.

NST is also hiring

Senior Software Engineer - Webkit (http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=2626122&srchIndex=0&trk=njsrch_hits&goback=%2Efjs_*1_*1_Nintendo+Software+Technology_Y_*1_*1_*1_1_R_true_*1_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2)

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 04, 2012, 02:20:21 PM
^( ' ' )^ Still bored lol. Any rumor relating to Capcom, Konami, Namco Collab?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2012, 09:21:16 PM
No, but there is a little rumor that crawled it's way out of 2ch a few days ago. Nothing that would ever make it onto the official rumor list of course, but I'll post if if you want to hear it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on March 04, 2012, 09:26:56 PM
Wasn't Banpresto in on that as well, basically clinching the game being a Super Robot Wars/Virtual On/Steel Batallion crossover?
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Post by: MegaByte on March 04, 2012, 09:33:40 PM
Nowadays, Banpresto is owned by Namco Bandai, so, not necessarily.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2012, 10:16:08 PM
I think Namdai was releasing it under the Banpresto name.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 04, 2012, 10:36:08 PM
Love your avatar BnM, **** Elmo shrink and got constipated? lol. "Are you using the whole fist, doc?"

I wanna see a Gundam Vs. Voltron Vs. Robotech/Macross kinda thing going :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on March 05, 2012, 12:49:39 AM
Then Nintendo adopts Origin, or tries creating their own thing and then we end up with another 5 years of shitty online infrastructure on a Nintendo console. Steam is probably Nintendo's best option.
No, that's not the point. This isn't about Nintendo. It doesn't matter what they do here. This is about Valve. For clarification: If Nintendo refuses, then Valve doesn't get to expand their brand that way. Sucks for both of them but that's not the point. The point is Valve doesn't get to expand Steam through an existing console maker.


But isn't that what the PS3 version of Steamworks is for? Why would Valve even need to expand Steam to the console market? Steam is a PC service, and Valve is primarily a PC developer. Besides, consoles already have their own digital networks (Xbox Live, PSN, etc.), so adding Steam on top of that would be pointless.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 05, 2012, 12:51:54 AM
Simple, the more people that have access to Steam the more money Valve makes (since they make money off every Steam game, whether its from them or another publisher).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 05, 2012, 02:33:33 AM
Rare possibly bringing Banjo-Kazooie to 3DS? And talks of a Star Fox Adventures for 3DS?
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/04/rumour_rare_looking_into_3ds_development (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/04/rumour_rare_looking_into_3ds_development)

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Supposedly, the company is in talks with Nintendo to develop games for the 3DS platform, including a 3D continuation of the Banjo-Kazooie (http://retro.nintendolife.com/games/n64/banjo_kazooie) franchise. Pleased with the success of their previous handheld outings and seeing no conflict between the Xbox market and the handheld gaming market, Microsoft supposedly sees this as a positive as it could boost sales of their titles developed for Xbox 360. Sources also say that Nintendo and Rare discussed a 3DS continuation of the Star Fox Adventures (http://retro.nintendolife.com/games/gamecube/star_fox_adventures) series, but that nothing is currently in development on that front.

Now for Caterkiller's own interpretation of seemingly useless nonsense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkYJEOstIL0&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkYJEOstIL0&feature=player_embedded)


Something is cooking with Nintendo and Capcom! Yeah that's it...


Edit: Brought to you by not BlackNMild!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 05, 2012, 02:39:29 AM
lol, What could be cooking with Nintendo and Capcom? the revival of Mega Man? or... Mega Man X Or or.... something that hasn't seen a sequel in over a decade, Breath of Fire. We need a Sequel and back to the Nintendo camp!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 05, 2012, 02:49:37 AM

Edit: Brought to you by not BlackNMild!

LOL, keep that up and you might get an unasked for name change.


oh, and
Quote from: from your link
Rumour: Rare Looking Into 3DS Development
Posted Tue, 26 Apr 2011 | 21:30 BST by Zach Kaplan (http://www.nintendolife.com/users/Zach)


that's almost a year old, are you sure it wasn't already on last years list?\


edit 2: yes... yes it was
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669156#msg669156
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 05, 2012, 02:58:13 AM
lol Someone just got served!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 05, 2012, 08:23:20 AM
Hahaha Caterkiller, keep trying bud.
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Post by: Mannypon on March 05, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
lol, this could turn into a game.  Who can get a scoop posted on this thread before BnM lol.  It might have to get to the point where we come up with a fake rumor on neogaf and then come on here and post it lol.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 05, 2012, 02:37:00 PM
A new Star Fox Adventures?  That's where Star Fox jumped the shark in the first place!  How out-of-touch and completely STUPID would Nintendo be to think that THAT would be the way to rejuvenate that series?  That better be some baseless fanboy rumour.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 05, 2012, 02:45:31 PM
Foiled again I see. Or am I? Little did you all know my seemingly feeble attempts to bring news and rumors first was all part of an elaborate scheme to get one thing and one thing only... The description under my name to read "Not BlackNMild!" It appears everyone else was served but me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 05, 2012, 02:51:03 PM
It would have been funnier if they changed your name to "Not BlackNMild". Still time...

Oh and Ian, I know how you feel about Star Fox Adventures, but I think taking another stab at it wouldn't be such a bad idea.

If done right, it could be a hilarious parody of Mass Effect. Flying to different destinations could be like the Star Fox we know and love, while adventuring on planets could be a mix of Zelda and a RPG. You'll stumble on to missions, find new crew mates and level up your ship with new equipment that lets you further explore the vast reaches of space. With plenty of satire, solid gameplay and furry action, it could easily become a highly anticipated game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 05, 2012, 04:34:30 PM
So now that Assassin's Creed 3 has been officially announced for the WiiU, are there any rumors of the first four games getting ported to the WiiU as well?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Retro Deckades on March 05, 2012, 04:38:26 PM
Assassin's Creed Collection Wii U? I'd buy that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on March 05, 2012, 05:38:56 PM
Is there any rumor linked to the Darksiders 2 release date?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 05, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
Actually, the problem with Star Fox Adventures is the Zelda adventure like gameplay of it.

I wouldn't mind a game that took the idea of the Star Fox Mercenary storyline and focused on Star Fox's team getting the job done during War in many different situations...not just Ships, and Tanks, but Stealth missions, and other ground battles and such. 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 05, 2012, 07:00:23 PM
If someone suggested a Gradius game where you do more than dodge and shoot would you not consider it  ridiculous?  Yet all sorts of ideas get tossed out for Star Fox.  Star Fox is a shmup.  It isn't supposed to be some epic ambitious adventure title, it is supposed to dodge and shoot, kill or be killed.  It sucks now because Nintendo has totally lost track of that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 05, 2012, 07:08:25 PM
Is there any rumor linked to the Darksiders 2 release date?

The Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 versions are June. The Wii U version is confirmed as a launch game, so it depends on when Wii U releases.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 05, 2012, 07:18:36 PM
If someone suggested a Gradius game where you do more than dodge and shoot would you not consider it  ridiculous?  Yet all sorts of ideas get tossed out for Star Fox.  Star Fox is a shmup.  It isn't supposed to be some epic ambitious adventure title, it is supposed to dodge and shoot, kill or be killed.  It sucks now because Nintendo has totally lost track of that.

I don't see why it couldn't be a fantastic tongue-in-cheek space opera, given the right developer. The Star Fox Assault concept could have been great if they'd put more thought into the ground-based segments. If you put somebody with real talent on the series (read: not Namco's 4th string guys or post-exodus Rare) you could do something really great beyond just a shoot-em-up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 05, 2012, 07:45:31 PM
Gradius doesn't have characters with personalities talking to each other.  Gradius doesn't focus on actually telling a story with character development and relationships in the heat of combat.  Gradius doesn't present a real world with characters you know getting hurt or dying.  Star Fox does. 

This is why Star Fox can evolve into something more.  When it evolves can developers ignore the aspects that make the game great?  No.  They need shoot'em up action.  They need campy and fun dialog.  But more could be done with it.  In fact, it could be made even better...and still keep that shoot'em up feel.

Imagine.  a ground level on foot.  Game play is based on the top down Smash TV type run and gun.  Now the Wii U tablet shows where your allies are, and in real time displays how they are fighting and doing.  Are they in trouble or what not?  Falco rushes in head strong and is doing his part well...an is calling out snarky remarks about how many he is taking out, and that the team is taking too long.  You are fighting waves of enemies, but then you hear slippy is in trouble.  You look down at his map and see him pinned down.  You can command him to make his way towards you, or you can move to him.  You notice the enemies are mostly between you and him, and he can not move towards you safely, so you run to him.  Again, the game play is pure action. 

Fox can even have a dodge that activates like a barrel roll to get out of danger.  This type of game play that is not a first person or 3rd person traditional shooter...would add variety and I think fun to the game...if it is designed well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on March 05, 2012, 07:48:05 PM
Gradius doesn't have characters with personalities talking to each other.
That would be Parodius, or Otomedius.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on March 05, 2012, 08:14:04 PM
It would have been funnier if they changed your name to "Not BlackNMild". Still time...

Oh and Ian, I know how you feel about Star Fox Adventures, but I think taking another stab at it wouldn't be such a bad idea.

If done right, it could be a hilarious parody of Mass Effect. Flying to different destinations could be like the Star Fox we know and love, while adventuring on planets could be a mix of Zelda and a RPG. You'll stumble on to missions, find new crew mates and level up your ship with new equipment that lets you further explore the vast reaches of space. With plenty of satire, solid gameplay and furry action, it could easily become a highly anticipated game.

I actually loved Star Fox Adventures. A little too much collecting doodads and whatnot (though, not near as bad as DK64), but it was still a great, little adventure game. I want more.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 05, 2012, 08:30:10 PM
I agree with Ian here.  I like my Star Fox like the original or N64.

Things I wouldn't mind adding:
Squad missions where I'm controlling the squad from home base
Bombing missions.
Stealth Drop Missions.

I have rarely found a game that can do both vehicles and On foot well together.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 05, 2012, 08:34:36 PM
The strategic elements of StarFox Command would have been an awesome addition if the actual gameplay were better. The on-foot stuff in Assault would have been great if there were more depth to it in terms of both the combat and the objectives. They were good ideas, but executed poorly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 05, 2012, 11:00:36 PM
There is no word on platform(s) yet, but I'm gonna drop this here anyway

http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/03/inside-source-reports-darkstalkers-4-is-in-the-works-exclusive/
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Post by: Adrock on March 06, 2012, 12:28:17 AM
If it comes out next year, it will probably be on every major platform.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 06, 2012, 01:13:08 AM
There is no word on platform(s) yet, but I'm gonna drop this here anyway

http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/03/inside-source-reports-darkstalkers-4-is-in-the-works-exclusive/

I saw that yesterday and decided to let you have it.

How about this one! Nintendo-Gamer thinks Bioshock is coming for Wii U?

http://www.nintendo-gamer.net/2012/02/20/22-wii-u-games-in-development/4/
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So, with that final enigma to muse over, that’s about it. We do know that Ken Levine of BioShock fame has got something planned for the new machine (BioShock Infinite looks most likely, which suits us just fine, as you can see from our Bioshock Infinite Wii U feature here) as has Warren Spector, of Junction Point and Disney Interactive. With a third-party line-up like this already and the machine still waiting for its first finalised design debut, the future is looking very bright indeed. Bring on E3 2012!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2012, 01:37:12 AM
I saw that rumor and it was sort of "put to bed" by the game creator a while ago when he said that he wasn't working on it.

I remember some people having a big discussion about it a while back, but don't remember what the original rumor was. It's about as old as the mention of Warren Spector working on Epic Mickey 2, and for some reason Nintendo-Gamer has been re-releasing alot of old news as new news lately, and also being quite misleading in their story titles (they ran the ACIII trailer as a Wii U trailer), so I would be a little careful about sourcing them right now.


edit: almost forgot why I actually came in here.
Another rumor, but this time based on a game that is rumored to be coming to Wii U
http://www.vg247.com/2012/03/06/rumour-2k-czech-working-on-grand-theft-auto-v-mafia-iii/ (http://www.vg247.com/2012/03/06/rumour-2k-czech-working-on-grand-theft-auto-v-mafia-iii/)


Mafia III team is helping with GTA V and R* is helping with Mafia III in return.
Hopefully both games see the light of day on Wii U
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 06, 2012, 01:40:39 AM
Oh please! Just trying to make me look bad! I mean who is everyone really going to trust? Come on now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2012, 01:47:59 AM
I will look it up later. I think Broodwars was heavy in that discussion, so maybe he remembers.
Details about it possibly being Bioshock Infinte might be new (I don't remember the original rumor/speculation), but if I don't find it, I'll add it to the list ;D

pre-post edit:
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/714431/irrational-games-ken-levine-has-no-plans-for-wii-u-game/

Ofcourse things could have changed, but since everyone is sourcing nintendo-gamer as the source to an article they wrote 2 weeks ago (after several really old stories being posted as new), it more than likely means people are Wii U news starved and willing to jump on anything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 06, 2012, 01:56:05 AM
Seems odd that Nintendo would go out of their way to interview Ken Levine for their Wii U E3 presentation last year if he didn't have something in the works for the platform. Of all the designers to interview, why pick one who isn't interested? If that was the case, they might as well have gone the extra mile and asked David Jaffe on his thoughts. Why? For the hell of it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2012, 02:31:54 AM
He said he wasn't developing anything yet, but we shall see come E3.

That article also said that Scribblenauts is coming to Wii U too, so let's see if we can get some info on that (new or old rumor) as a member of the Scribblenauts team was a frequent poster over at NeoGAF back when the first and second game came out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 06, 2012, 02:38:54 AM
Anything happen at GDC today? Or should we expect more news as the week goes on?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2012, 02:48:29 AM
Show doesn't officially open till Wednesday.

word has it that there are Wii U games on display and they look good (much better than E3). Not sure how reliable that is, but his credibility has been pretty solid in the past.

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Some of the GDC Wii U titles are pretty hot
[...]
It's just cool to see how things have improved since E3. The controller does spark some creative ideas when teams have the time and budget to play around. I think it'll have a good launch lineup (better than 3DS for starters). Though it's still too early to really tell what'll hit launch vs launch window
[...]
I dunno what people are going to 'announce,' but tons of people come to SF to hit the career path and lots of people talk about what they've been working on. It's like a walking version of LinkedIn

So take that for what it is...


edit: and that quote is from someone that was supposedly at GDC today and has direct access to a dev kit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 06, 2012, 03:29:54 AM
He said he wasn't developing anything yet, but we shall see come E3.
I know. I just meant, it seems more likely that Levine and irrational Games already came to some kind of an agreement to develop for the platform prior to E3. They probably already started and Nintendo asked them to hold off on announcing anything. My understanding is that Levine and co have never developed for Nintendo hardware ever. If there was no intention for development, why him of all designers? Why not someone else? I think there's a strong possibility that Wii U at least gets a port of Bioshock Infinite though I'd love to see something entirely new from Irrational Games for their inaugural game for Nintendo hardware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 06, 2012, 03:35:08 AM
Can't wait! Thanks BnM, Hope GDC starts with a Bang, wonder what games will be on display, let alone announcements.Hey BnM any chance Capcom will release another Breath of Fire game? Remember there was a pole in japan a while back asking what capcom franchise they would want to see revisit, Breath of fire was #1 on the list.
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Post by: MegaByte on March 06, 2012, 03:42:28 AM
Just don't get your hopes up. We don't know what will be at Nintendo's booth, but I do know that none of the major publishers will be showing anything Nintendo-related outside of Heroes of Ruin.
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 06, 2012, 04:32:15 AM
That we know of;) NDA's and all that jazz hehe.
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Post by: Adrock on March 06, 2012, 07:17:09 AM
I didn't expect anything from 3rd parties at GDC. Nintendo probably wants E3 to be Wii U's coming out party. Still, Nintendo has had a few big announcements at GDC in the past like Phantom Hourglass (a brand Zelda is always a big deal even if the game didn't blow my socks off) and Super Mario 3D Land which is quite simply one of the best games ever made. A new Metroid or Zelda for 3DS could get announced and then be demoed at E3. Metroid seems more likely.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2012, 09:29:06 AM
That article also said that Scribblenauts is coming to Wii U too, so let's see if we can get some info on that (new or old rumor) as a member of the Scribblenauts team was a frequent poster over at NeoGAF back when the first and second game came out.

Here is the reason that the Scribblenauts rumor came to be.

http://www.anddev.org/jobs-teams-f24/aaa-audio-designer-great-rates-t60150.html (http://www.anddev.org/jobs-teams-f24/aaa-audio-designer-great-rates-t60150.html)
and here is what it said before he edited it:
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LATEST TITLES:
Drawn to Life, Drawn to Life: The Next Chapter, Lock’s Quest, Scribblenauts, Super Scribblenauts, Hybrid, Unannounced Wii U launch title.
http://nintendoeverything.com/83112/rumor-5th-cell-creating-wii-u-launch-title/ (http://nintendoeverything.com/83112/rumor-5th-cell-creating-wii-u-launch-title/)

David Franco is a freelancer that has worked on lots of 5th Cell games, so someone took the leap of faith to call it Scribblenauts when we don't what it is he is/was working on or for who.

Outside of that David Frano connection, I never saw anything else point to 5th Cell developing on Wii U, not saying it isn't true though.

but definitely something to speculate about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 06, 2012, 09:32:21 AM
I figure we'll at least get a public speech from Nintendo saying "Don't worry.  Everything is on track." pretty much. 

I wouldn't mind a complete collection of Bioshock that has all the current games.  I never played them.  Partially because I don't have a PC I can crank up for them.
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Post by: MegaByte on March 06, 2012, 11:09:59 AM
They got rid of the big keynotes this year, so there's no Nintendo speech.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 06, 2012, 11:44:31 AM
No Iwata speech? RRRAAAAAAGGGEE
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 06, 2012, 01:12:55 PM
Just saw an Epic Mickey 2 rumor by Nintendo Gamer. I suppose you're right BlackNMild, they are posting a lot of old rumors as something new lately.
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Post by: Ceric on March 06, 2012, 01:22:46 PM
http://www.develop-online.net/news/40073/GDC-Nintendo-licenses-Autodesk-tech-for-Wii-U-devs
Nintendo is licensing the tech from Autodesk for the use of developers with there dev kits.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2012, 02:43:58 PM
http://www.develop-online.net/news/40073/GDC-Nintendo-licenses-Autodesk-tech-for-Wii-U-devs
Nintendo is licensing the tech from Autodesk for the use of developers with there dev kits.

That should be in the Wii U thread or in a newly created "News from GDC 2012" thread.
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 06, 2012, 03:47:16 PM
What would that mean for developers?
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Post by: noname2200 on March 06, 2012, 03:53:35 PM
They got rid of the big keynotes this year, so there's no Nintendo speech.

But how are we ever going to get another handheld Zelda?!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 06, 2012, 04:49:58 PM
http://www.develop-online.net/news/40073/GDC-Nintendo-licenses-Autodesk-tech-for-Wii-U-devs
Nintendo is licensing the tech from Autodesk for the use of developers with there dev kits.

That should be in the Wii U thread or in a newly created "News from GDC 2012" thread.

If people are waiting for me to make a GDC topic I won't be around on Wednesday for most of the day because I will be busy so someone else should make it and keep it updated.
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Post by: MegaByte on March 06, 2012, 04:53:04 PM
GDC topic is here (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=36922.0).
You can see here (http://gameware.autodesk.com/) which games use Autodesk. I think they bought out some other companies, so the name itself isn't as well-known.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2012, 10:38:37 PM
This may be gibberish from Google Translate, but I think it said UE4 is being demonstrated on Wii U
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/1-36-16074193-1-0-1-0-la-gdc-2012-n-en-a-que-pour-la-wii-u.htm
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Since the opening of GDC Monday morning is the Nintendo Wii U which is usually in the middle of conversations, notes the media monitoring agency Clara, which closely follows the conference in order to award the main trends . "Of all the subjects analyzed, and what are the next Nintendo Wii that generate the most interest of the people attending the conference," the agency noted in a statement. Nintendo has already released details of the U Wii, but what are some developers who should be a little more in the coming days, while the studio Epic Games provides a demonstration of its next generation of game technology Unreal Engine 4 is designed for this new
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on March 06, 2012, 10:48:52 PM
If true, then fantastic.

I can't wait to hear (and see!) more on this development. I really hope this next console is all I need for next-gen. I really don't want to have to buy a "second" console again. Ugh.
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 06, 2012, 11:09:01 PM
Go BnM! Maybe Epic is working with Nintendo for once, heh.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 06, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
Yeehaaa! Getting hyped! I've never played One Game that runs on any UR engine, but I know enough that this is something to be extremely excited for!

Good job bringing us the news BlackNMild, my teachings have been serving you well.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2012, 11:35:24 PM
They have served me well indeed.

and maybe this will hype you some more

Quote from: IGN Twitter
Wii U's fall line-up is shaping up. The big question - when does the system launch?
https://twitter.com/#!/RichIGN/status/177109941100888064
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 07, 2012, 12:24:12 AM
When does Nintendo GDC kick off?:D
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Post by: MegaByte on March 07, 2012, 12:32:54 AM
The expo floor opens at 10am PST. There's a Super Mario 3D Land talk at 3:30pm.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 07, 2012, 12:35:28 AM
This may be gibberish from Google Translate, but I think it said UE4 is being demonstrated on Wii U
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/1-36-16074193-1-0-1-0-la-gdc-2012-n-en-a-que-pour-la-wii-u.htm (http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/1-36-16074193-1-0-1-0-la-gdc-2012-n-en-a-que-pour-la-wii-u.htm)
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Since the opening of GDC Monday morning is the Nintendo Wii U which is usually in the middle of conversations, notes the media monitoring agency Clara, which closely follows the conference in order to award the main trends . "Of all the subjects analyzed, and what are the next Nintendo Wii that generate the most interest of the people attending the conference," the agency noted in a statement. Nintendo has already released details of the U Wii, but what are some developers who should be a little more in the coming days, while the studio Epic Games provides a demonstration of its next generation of game technology Unreal Engine 4 is designed for this new

It says that "Epic is expected to demonstrate its next generation Unreal Engine 4, conceived for this new platform [Wii U]."  But yeah, it sounds like UE4 is coming to Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on March 07, 2012, 12:39:21 AM
I really would like to see Mark Rein bring a compilation disc of Gears of War to Nintendo's next console. I go nuts for third-person shooters. Bah.
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Post by: bustin98 on March 07, 2012, 09:14:01 AM
Microsoft subsidised Gears of War, no way will it appear on another console other than one owned by Microsoft.

Mark Rein has made comments about being in conversation of the WiiU specs, so I am sure Epic and Nintendo will have a working relationship this time around.
Title: ED2 is possible from SK!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 07, 2012, 09:16:33 AM
Is Silicon Knights actually working on Eternal Darkness 2?
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2A5Mp1/www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-07-silicon-knights-open-to-new-eternal-darkness (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2A5Mp1/www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-07-silicon-knights-open-to-new-eternal-darkness)
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When we questioned him specifically on whether "it's too much to ask" for a new Eternal Darkness, he responded, "I don't think it is too much to ask. Certainly we love Eternal Darkness. It's a project that's near and dear to our hearts."

Dyack noted that the game is "requested a lot by a lot of people" but he also said that he simply can't comment on what the studio is working on right now. When we pressed Dyack on whether a new Eternal Darkness could indeed be what the studio is developing for next-gen, he once again hinted that "anything's possible."


Just remember the original rumor: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705588#msg705588 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705588#msg705588)
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"The company is currently refocusing and returning to its roots, working on one of its most requested titles for the next generation,"


Let's just hope that if SK is working with Nintendo again, Nintendo is heavily involved in the gameplay portions and maybe task Retro to help out some.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 07, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
So GDC is today right? Where's this thread for all its news I've been hearing about?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 07, 2012, 09:39:03 AM
GDC topic is here (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=36922.0).
You can see here (http://gameware.autodesk.com/) which games use Autodesk. I think they bought out some other companies, so the name itself isn't as well-known.
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Post by: Caliban on March 07, 2012, 10:43:47 AM
They have served me well indeed.

and maybe this will hype you some more

Quote from: IGN Twitter
Wii U's fall line-up is shaping up. The big question - when does the system launch?
https://twitter.com/#!/RichIGN/status/177109941100888064

I'm sure that would be nice to know, but the price point is more important. Rich, you're an idgiot.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 07, 2012, 12:25:51 PM
If Nintendo can have a successful console that has no restrictive barriers that prevent third parties from making the games they want, then it will be very hard for Nintendo to **** up third party support.  The N64 and Wii had too many hardware restrictions to allow third parties to make the games they wanted to make.  The Gamecube just didn't sell well enough.

It isn't really that Nintendo had to go to the trouble to seek out UE4, they just needed to have hardware that could do that stuff Epic wanted to do.  Epic is a business.  If the Wii U hardware will let them do what they want to do and they think they can make a buck doing it, they'll do it.  Nintendo wouldn't even need to seek them out, they would just come.  Third parties didn't shun the Wii because they hate Nintendo or anything like that.  They wanted to support the Wii because it sold so well but they could not include it in multiplatform development so they had to make a unique Wii product and they only have so much staff so the b-team got it and the resulting game wasn't much of anything and it didn't sell so they gave up.  To make money on the Wii they needed a seperate team just for Wii games and that team had to make product with comparable quality to their other games, which they already had their best guys and the bulk of their budget going towards.  It just didn't seem worth it to them.  Nintendo was essentially asking everyone to make every game twice or make twice the games they wanted to make.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 07, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Must have GDC news! Any idea when reports coming in?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 07, 2012, 05:38:20 PM
I think the GDC news should get its own separate thread.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 08, 2012, 12:08:50 AM
Worst GDC ever.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 08, 2012, 04:07:42 AM
Indeed! Unless BnM knows something... that was shown behind closed doors? I need updated Wii U game footage xD E3 is killing me, 3 months. Help us BnM!
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Post by: Ceric on March 08, 2012, 10:00:02 AM
Indeed! Unless BnM knows something... that was shown behind closed doors? I need updated Wii U game footage xD E3 is killing me, 3 months. Help us BnM, Your our Only Hope.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 08, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
Help us OBnM Kenobi! You're our only hope.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on March 08, 2012, 08:51:10 PM
How about the crap contained in this (http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29087127/wiiu-game-screenshots) GS topic?
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Post by: Ceric on March 08, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
BnM mentioned that in the GDC thread but, it looks to be the E3 footage reshown.
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Post by: Snake-Arms on March 08, 2012, 08:57:26 PM
Help us OBnM Kenobi! You're our only hope.

Just terrible.  You should be ashamed of yourself.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 08, 2012, 09:42:55 PM
Who wants to bet that UE4 was running on Wii U behind closed doors during GDC but we haven't heard anything about it because Nintendo killed everyone in attendance!?


....ok, maybe not killed, but certainly cut their tongues out... legally speaking of course.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/339083/unreal-engine-4-to-be-publicly-shown-later-in-2012/?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS
Quote from: about Epic
That's what the studio told assembled press at GDC yesterday, adding that the decision to put its UE4 demo behind closed doors - and viewing developers under non-disclosure agreement - at the conference "wasn't our decision".
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 08, 2012, 11:07:17 PM
That's gotta be it, I have absolutely no doubt at all. Nintendo wised up listened to these guys and definitely made the Wii U powerful enough to run this thing.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 09, 2012, 02:08:10 AM
But the question is can it run it...and push the data to two Wii U tablets.  That is the biggest question. 

If that is possible, then Nintendo will have struck Gold with the device.  There will be nothing to prevent developers from fully supporting this system.


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Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 09, 2012, 03:20:39 AM

If that is possible, then Nintendo will have struck Gold with the device.  There will be nothing to prevent developers from fully supporting this system.




Yet....
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 09, 2012, 03:46:32 AM
Pr0N!
Title: Splinter Cell coming to Wii U?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 12:08:25 AM
Ubisoft to reveal the next multi-plat Wii U title soon?
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/339294/ubisoft-toronto-about-to-announce-triple-a-game/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/339294/ubisoft-toronto-about-to-announce-triple-a-game/)
they speculate Splinter Cell. sounds reasonable.
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"We are about to announce our first big triple-A being developed by the studio," she confirmed. "I've got to say I think it's going better than I could've imagined. I'm really amazed at the team we've put together and what we've been able to accomplish and I think Ubisoft is pretty excited too. Soon we'll find out what everyone else thinks!"
[...]
"We're not actually working on a big new IP yet within the studio," she explained. "It's one of the mandates and we're definitely starting up some things in that direction, but we're not working on a big new IP yet. Right now we're 100% focussed on Splinter Cell."

yep... Splinter Cell sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 10, 2012, 12:31:15 AM
Does anyone think that GTA V could release this year? Perhpas in october? The game could carry over to 2013 but the video we saw back in novmber kind of makes me think that the game has been in developmet for enough time that it could very well be out this year, but who knows? Right GTA (and possiblt RE 6) is the third party game that will make or break a Wii U purchase for me and that is what I am banking on right now.
 
Can someone put together a list of confirmed and probablr third party launch titles for the Wii U?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 12:37:16 AM
since you seem to have some free time, you could skim through the Wii U thread and compile the list yourself.

If it helps, you could use the search feature and search out my post, as I think I posted about 85% of any news in that thread. So that would narrow the search down significantly.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 10, 2012, 01:05:04 AM
Wii U Third Party Launch Titles:
 
Confirmed:
 
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Assassin's Creed 3
Killer Freaks From Outer Space
Darksiders 2
Batman: Arkham City
Ghost Recon Online
Lego City Stories
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Untitled Sports game from Ubisoft
 
Probable or Unconfirmed:
 
Resident Evil 6
GTA 5
Mass Effect 3
Resident Evil: Operation Racoon City
Max Payne 3
Spec Ops: The Line
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
Soul Calibur 5
Asura's Wrath
Hitman: Absolution
Chainsaw Lollipop
Devil May Cry
Dragon's Dogma

I look for anything developed by Capcom to be released for the Wii U at either lauch of the system or somethime in the following year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 10, 2012, 01:05:55 AM
For me splinter cell could benefit from touch controls. I had the first one but for the life of me could not figure out how to split up the walls and carry out several other odd stealth techniques. If I had touch screen button that was an icon of him splitting up the wall, I would have eventually beaten the game.

Counting only the games I know will be on Wii U, I already feel over whelmed. I guess that's how all PS3 360 players feel all the time?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 10, 2012, 01:11:21 AM
If Nintendo Wii U first and third party games could be sold at $49.99 rather than $59.99 like what is on the other systems then more people could be attracted to the Wii U for games.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 10, 2012, 01:19:55 AM
Resident Evil 6
GTA 5
Mass Effect 3
Resident Evil: Operation Racoon City
Max Payne 3
Spec Ops: The Line
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
Soul Calibur 5
Asura's Wrath
Hitman: Absolution
Lollipop Chainsaw
Devil May Cry
Dragon's Dogma

Kytim, none of those are even confirmed to be Wii U games (yet alone launch games).

Of the ones you think are confirmed for launch:
Ubisoft just said they are working on a new Rabbids game for it, no launch date has been announced (not even a year). Same with the untitled Ubisoft sports game. LEGO just has a "2012" release date. Ghost Recon is just "2012". Same with Killer Freaks. Assassin's Creed almost certainty will (but not confirmed) since the other versions are out in October. The only confirmed launch game right now is Darksiders (at least from what I have been able to find), every other game is just speculated for launch or seems obvious to be one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 01:28:59 AM
Kytim, none of those are even confirmed to be Wii U games (yet alone launch games).

Actually, I think just about all he listed (I question Ubi sports game*) has been confirmed to be in development for the Wii U.

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Of the ones you think are confirmed for launch:
Ubisoft just said they are working on a new Rabbids game for it, no launch date has been announced (not even a year). Same with the untitled Ubisoft sports game. LEGO just has a "2012" release date. Ghost Recon is just "2012". Same with Killer Freaks. Assassin's Creed almost certainty will (but not confirmed) since the other versions are out in October. The only confirmed launch game right now is Darksiders (at least from what I have been able to find), every other game is just speculated for launch or seems obvious to be one.

Launch or Launch window. same difference. give the guy a break.


* I think it was cancelled
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 10, 2012, 01:31:00 AM
Kytim, none of those are even confirmed to be Wii U games (yet alone launch games).

Actually, I think just about all he listed (I question Ubi sports game) has been confirmed to be in development for the Wii U.

Where have they been confirmed? I know some are rumored, but AFAIK none of those have been confirmed as Wii U games. I would love for all of them to be Wii U games though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 10, 2012, 01:36:06 AM
Although Resident Evil 6 has been officially announced, it is a given for a Wii U launch title considering its release date and the fact that business between Nintendo and Capcom seem to be at a high point right now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 01:36:32 AM
They've all been confirmed by the developers. Maybe you should revisit the Wii U thread.

Lego City stories was in the E3 presentation.
Ghost Recon & Killer Freaks where shown off on the Wii U hardware @ E3
Batman, Darksiders II & Ninja Gaiden 3 have all been talked about on numerous occasions by the developers.

You even back up the claim on Raving Rabbids among the rest of them, but then follow up that they aren't confirmed!?

Now that seems odd.

He forgot Aliens Colonial Marines, which has also been talked about and even shown off(again) in the GDC Epic reel.

But the majority of those are more than confirmed. Some we've even seen being played.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 10, 2012, 01:38:55 AM
They've all been confirmed by the developers. Maybe you should revisit the Wii U thread.

Lego City stories was in the E3 presentation.
Ghost Recon & Killer Freaks where shown off on the Wii U hardware @ E3
Batman, Darksiders II & Ninja Gaiden 3 have all been talked about on numerous occasions by the developers.

You even back up the claim on Raving Rabbids among the rest of them, but then follow up that they aren't confirmed!?

Now that seems odd.

He forgot Aliens Colonial Marines, which has also been talked about and even shown off in the GDC Epic reel.

But the majority of those are more than confirmed. Some we've even seen being played.

Metro Last Light as well. Hving a new GTA and Call of Duty game at launch would help boost hardware sales. If Nintendo knew what was good for them then they get these as soon as possible.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 10, 2012, 01:43:43 AM
BNM, I am referring to the list of games Kytim lists as "probably or unconfirmed". None of those have even been confirmed as Wii U games, so I don't see how they could probably be launch games.

Of those other ones, I know they have been confirmed as Wii U games, but only Darksiders has been confirmed by the developer or publisher specifically as a launch game. Are the others likely launch games? Sure, not denying that.

Metro is confirmed as a Q1 2013 game, so that def is not a launch game (or maybe even launch window, depending on the Wii U release date and what you consider as "launch window").
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 01:47:05 AM
I can't speak on GTAV, but CoD will be on all available systems this fall/winter.
from iPhone to 3DS/Vita to Wii to PS360 to Wii U & PC

GTAV was part of the original rumors coming from 01.net, so I'm sure we will see it come to light at E3 as just about everything else they were talking about came true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 10, 2012, 01:50:11 AM
I have no doubt COD will be on Wii U, and GTA V is likely too. I was just being on the safe side and sticking with games that have confirmation.
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Post by: Kairon on March 10, 2012, 01:51:52 AM
Has there been any word on Dirt or F1 Racing for the Wii U? Also, Toki Tori 2 could possibly make Launch/Launch Window.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 01:55:25 AM
BNM, I am referring to the list of games Kytim lists as "probably or unconfirmed". None of those have even been confirmed as Wii U games, so I don't see how they could probably be launch games.

The list even said PROBABLE OR UNCONFIRMED, what part of that could be mistaken as he was saying it was confirmed? and then you even listed out the games on the confirmed list and proceeded to prove their announcements and then call then unconfirmed.

prepost edit: I see where the confusion is now. He listed that whole list as all Launch Titles.
Yeah, all of those at launch would be crazy, but that's why I think Wii U will launch early to get alot of those late ports out of the way and have a second hardware push with the hot winter games (CoD, Darksiders II, RE6, AC3, etc etc) leading the way.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 01:56:48 AM
Has there been any word on Dirt or F1 Racing for the Wii U? Also, Toki Tori 2 could possibly make Launch/Launch Window.
Project Cars has also been left off the list of confirmed Wii U games and I think DiRT was mentioned too, but I can't remember. & yes Toki Tori 2 was also just recently mentioned by the dev too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 10, 2012, 01:57:13 AM
Back in June IGN reported that a Dirt game was in development for Wii U, it could possibly be Dirt 4 (which was announced last December).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 10, 2012, 02:02:26 AM
The list of unconfirmed games could always be ported to the Wii U. Since the Wii U is more powerful than either the PS3 or 360 it could get upgraded ports with extra content in the same manner that the HD consoles got upgraded Wii games with extra content. A form of revenge if you will? Honeslty, Nintendo could request that online servies like Steam and Origin release pre-Wii U launch games to help close the gap.
Title: UE3 and UE4 for Wii
Post by: Caterkiller on March 10, 2012, 02:06:44 AM
I have BIG FAT news! A NWR exclusive! News that BlackNMild has speculated for the last week now.

I have a source, a super duper reliable source.

My source has told me directly:

That Epic is indeed running Unreal Engine 3 and Unreal Engine 4 on Wii U!
To clarify on what was said, it was more along the lines of Nintendo tweaked the Wii U to make sure it can run UE4, which would explain the recent bump in specs... and apparently Nintendo is still tweaking the hardware.
I can't say what development company. But my NWR friends this is the super hyper mega truth! Anyone else not from this site would think I'm a lying moron, but I think you guys know me better to be an honest moron!This should actually go in the Wii U thread! That's how concrete this is!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 10, 2012, 02:10:22 AM
Let me say, I did what I did out of love. Caterkiller, you're an asset to these forums and are doing a great job.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 02:11:08 AM
I'm expecting a private email with some more detail ;D

I'll PM you an email since it's no longer in my profile.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 10, 2012, 02:14:56 AM
Honest moron?! Now I truly belong! Seriously I like it!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 10, 2012, 06:12:16 AM
Hey, My Title came from Ty the younger plumber directly!
Title: Donkey Kong 3D!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2012, 09:21:26 AM

New Donkey Kong game headed to 3DS!?

http://mynintendonews.com/2012/03/10/brand-new-donkey-kong-game-coming-to-nintendo-3ds/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/03/10/brand-new-donkey-kong-game-coming-to-nintendo-3ds/)


(http://i.imgur.com/cfAQc.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Arbok on March 10, 2012, 11:30:00 AM
...the 3DS Smash Bros is supposed to come out this year? I thought it hadn't even started development?


Probably going to call fake on this one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 10, 2012, 11:42:27 AM
Well development started earlier last month after Kid Icarus went gold, but yeah no way it's coming out in a year.

Still I wouldn't doubt a 3DS DK in the works, seems natural.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 10, 2012, 12:03:26 PM
God Caterkiller, I'm hoping, so hoping, what you're saying about UE4 on Wii U is true. I'm pretty sure the Wii won't be gangbusters compared to X720 and PS4, but if it was JUST barely powerful enough to be a sort of minimum-level spec to the next-gen engines like UE4, then by god that sounds powerful enough for 90% of the games out there!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 10, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
God Caterkiller, I'm hoping, so hoping, what you're saying about UE4 on Wii U is true. I'm pretty sure the Wii won't be gangbusters compared to X720 and PS4, but if it was JUST barely powerful enough to be a sort of minimum-level spec to the next-gen engines like UE4, then by god that sounds powerful enough for 90% of the games out there!

I have utter faith in my source. A long history with said person, so it's wasn't just hear say. I just decided to keep the conversation to myself for now. But just after getting back from San Fran, this person didn't even realize I cared for or even knew of the UE since all I play is nothing but Nintendo consoles. But I must have made my source clarify like 3 times, "Will Wii U utilize UE4?" to which several replies of "yes Unreal Engine 3 and Unreal Engine 4."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 10, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
What other major next-gen engines are out there that will be contemporary to UE4? Frostbite 2?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 10, 2012, 12:36:04 PM
Hmmm I don't even know what that is. To be honest I thought Frostbite was a game it's self. I can check for other stuff, but UE4 was the only thing I thought mattered.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 10, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
I think an interesting twist would be that Nintendo enters into an agreement to relicense the UE4 Engine like what they are doing with Havoc and Autodesk.  Making an effective defacto standard which allows Nintendo to effectively drop the development cost of HD Games.
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Post by: Caliban on March 10, 2012, 03:26:48 PM
Awesome news, Caterkiller. I hope your source doesn't get mad at you if they found out you told us.

Hmmm I don't even know what that is. To be honest I thought Frostbite was a game it's self. I can check for other stuff, but UE4 was the only thing I thought mattered.

It's the engine used for the current Battlefield, and Medal of Honor games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frostbite_Engine

I'm going to assume that UE4 is intended for DirectX 12 and up which would be quite a leap from 11.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on March 10, 2012, 03:58:01 PM
Can't forget about the support from Crytek and CryENGINE 3.
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Post by: Caliban on March 10, 2012, 04:54:43 PM
That's definitely another great addition, bustin98.
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Post by: Kairon on March 10, 2012, 05:11:15 PM
CryEngine is another one of those things that's heavily speculated to be supported, but nowhere near confirmed or even rumored about right?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 10, 2012, 05:37:36 PM
Crytek confirmed it last year at E3: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/307061/wii-u-gets-crytek-support-with-cryengine/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/307061/wii-u-gets-crytek-support-with-cryengine/)
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 10, 2012, 05:40:05 PM
Woot! ^( ' ' )^
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 11, 2012, 01:05:15 PM
...the 3DS Smash Bros is supposed to come out this year? I thought it hadn't even started development?


Probably going to call fake on this one.

Just because it's not likely to come out this year probably wouldn't stop GameStop from collecting that money ahead of time locking you into a future purchase (even if that future purchase is about 1.5+ yrs away). I think all GS needs to start taking pre-orders is a game announcement, and it's very unlikely that Nintendo will cancel Smash Bros, so I think it's a safe bet for them that it will see release eventually.

But that is gonna be a long time to have those "coming 2012" boxes sitting on the shelves for it.

But about Donkey Kong 3D, anyone think that Retro could be responsible? They were previously working on a 3DS game (MK7) so we can assume they have a 3DS team in place.
And their studio is large enough to have more than one team working on more than one thing at a time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 11, 2012, 02:46:30 PM
What other major next-gen engines are out there that will be contemporary to UE4? Frostbite 2?

Talked to my source again. Nothing else actually. This person didn't get to do extensive research on engines or anything. They were at GDC for other business and nonesense regarding the company.


http://mynintendonews.com/2012/03/11...real-engine-4/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/03/11/epic-says-samaritan-looks-like-crap-compared-to-unreal-engine-4/)
This year’s Samaritan demo, however, was highly optimized and according to Epic’s Mark Rein, it could be running on a laptop next year or a smartphone the year after. This is where Rein pointed out that the UE4 demo will make the Samaritan look feeble by comparison and will generally be crap next to what they show off for the next generation engine, saying “Imagine if that were a piece of crap, what would the next thing look like?”
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 11, 2012, 03:32:52 PM
That is the HYPE man being a HYPE man.

Samaritan was run on what Rein himself call "UnrealEngine 3.975", which to me reads like UE4 beta.
so if Wii U can run UE4, then we are all in for an Unreal Treat.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 11, 2012, 04:23:38 PM
Unreal Engine 3 was the most popular engine of this generation, but I think it also had the least imaginative games and the art design usually had a very similar feel across the games that used it. I hope another engine is more popular next gen.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on March 11, 2012, 04:38:57 PM
Regarding the Donkey Kong 3DS rumor, I think there could be some stock in it. After all, Donkey Kong Country Returns was a surprise reveal at E3 two years ago, so a sudden announcement and a release this year is not completely out of the blue.
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Post by: Mannypon on March 11, 2012, 04:44:06 PM
Crytek confirmed it last year at E3: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/307061/wii-u-gets-crytek-support-with-cryengine/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/307061/wii-u-gets-crytek-support-with-cryengine/)

maybe someone else can read the links article because I didn't see a mention of cryengine 3.  To me it just sounds like they were talking about thier current engine.
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Post by: MegaByte on March 11, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
CryEngine 3 is their current engine. It's been out since 2009.
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Post by: Mannypon on March 11, 2012, 05:40:57 PM
Ohhhh lol, I don't even know why that'll even be in question then.  The wiiu is coming out in 2012, it damn well better be able to support tech from 2009.

  Damn, e3 is going to be epic.  Seeing nintendo games built around current tech is going to be something special.
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Post by: Enner on March 11, 2012, 05:41:22 PM
Unreal Engine 3 was the most popular engine of this generation, but I think it also had the least imaginative games and the art design usually had a very similar feel across the games that used it. I hope another engine is more popular next gen.
Alice: Madness Returns, Asura's Wrath, Mirror's Edge, and TERA look similar to each other?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games#Unreal_Engine_3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games#Unreal_Engine_3)

Granted most of the UE3 games look like Gears of War, but that is not the fault of the engine.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 11, 2012, 10:56:58 PM
Mortal Kombat (9) ran on Unreal Engine 3...doesn't seem anything at all like Gears if War 3.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 11, 2012, 10:57:51 PM
There are exceptions, sure, but even Asura's wrath looks very Gears of War to me. Most of the games using the engine have that too shiny, too bumpy, too chunky UE3 look.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 11, 2012, 11:04:17 PM
I find it funny that, according to Wikipedia, Zumba Fitness uses Unreal Engine 3.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2012, 12:21:22 AM
What other major next-gen engines are out there that will be contemporary to UE4? Frostbite 2?

Talked to my source again. Nothing else actually. This person didn't get to do extensive research on engines or anything. They were at GDC for other business and nonesense regarding the company.

You should ask him if he has a devkit.

if yes:
does it contain more or less than 3GB RAM
if more:
is it closer to 4GB or 3GB

Is there another feature to the uMote that we haven't heard about yet?
if yes:
is it from additional hardware added since E3 (such as a rear facing camera, analog triggers or something along those lines)


What AMD GPU would he most closely associate the Wii U GPU and why?



Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 12, 2012, 03:01:38 AM
For the person who mentioned Direct X 12, that is a product that is at least 2 years out as Windows 8 will be coming with Direct X 11.1.  So you'd have to wait for Windows 9 before 12 would even exist.  UE4 is DX11 based I believe.
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Post by: Caliban on March 12, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
Well I assumed based on that UE3 was for DX9/10/11, and that UE4 would be for the next DX's. I didn't state it as fact.
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Post by: Ceric on March 12, 2012, 11:54:15 AM
Microsoft have shipped the next version of DX on the same OS before.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 12, 2012, 11:55:53 AM
What other major next-gen engines are out there that will be contemporary to UE4? Frostbite 2?

Talked to my source again. Nothing else actually. This person didn't get to do extensive research on engines or anything. They were at GDC for other business and nonesense regarding the company.

You should ask him if he has a devkit.

if yes:
does it contain more or less than 3GB RAM
if more:
is it closer to 4GB or 3GB

Is there another feature to the uMote that we haven't heard about yet?
if yes:
is it from additional hardware added since E3 (such as a rear facing camera, analog triggers or something along those lines)
What AMD GPU would he most closely associate the Wii U GPU and why?

Nothing! The only thing added was app support for the Upad. Only he didn't seem so sure about it. He said he would keep me updated with info though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Karanlos on March 12, 2012, 02:53:13 PM
I'm going to assume that UE4 is intended for DirectX 12 and up which would be quite a leap from 11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRp_mVi969I

Wait what? Quite a leap? DirectX 12? ;P?

Okay let's take it from the beginning. Direct3D 8 to 9 was quite a leap because developers could now program the Vertex and Pixel shaders. This is one of the reasons Wii didn't get nay ports more or less because the engine had to be rewritten to fit the Wii API which has the same features as Direct3D 8 more or less. Direct3D 8 is really static. Adding lamps in a scene requires you to add them via the API. With 9  u merely had to add them as a variable in the pixel shader.

Direct3D 9 to 10 was quite a leap because the GPU architecture went from being devided into vertex- and pixel shader units into a unified arcihtecture where every units could do everything. Things means you didn't have to have in mind the vertex shaders could be starving while pixel shaders could keep up.
Direct3D 10 to 11 was a minor upgrade, mostly only adding tessellation, other than that it was only API changes.

Wii U has a modern GPU with modern architecture. The 4870 is more or less a 5770 or 6750 or 7750 with the lack of a proper tessellation unit.
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 12, 2012, 06:41:17 PM
Wii U has a modern GPU with modern architecture. The 4870 is more or less a 5770 or 6750 or 7750 with the lack of a proper tessellation unit.
And the GPU in the WiiU can easily be modified to do proper tessellation, though it may not be extremely necessary.  Tessellation is only just now being utilized more substantially in PC games.
Title: 3 New IP's @ E3 for Nintendo?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2012, 01:13:09 AM
Nintendo to reveal atleast 3 new IP's @ E3!?
http://www.forgetthebox.net/uncategorized/nintendo-working-on-at-least-three-new-franchises-for-the-wii-u.php (http://www.forgetthebox.net/uncategorized/nintendo-working-on-at-least-three-new-franchises-for-the-wii-u.php)
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We are hearing from our sources that there will be between ten to eleven Nintendo published retail games shown for the Wii U at E3, with the rest of the Wii U games being third party titles. It seems that Nintendo already knows what titles they will be revealing and displaying at E3 even though E3 is still a little less than three months away. Around 70 Wii U games are currently in development from a variety of publishers, and Nintendo will be publishing/releasing four Wii U games of their own before the end of 2012. We’ve been told that Nintendo is considering keeping the price of the Wii U lower than they want to, and they will release a tsunami wave of 3DS and Wii U software this holiday season to soften the blow from hardware losses.

According to our insider source, Nintendo has at least three new franchises in development by various studios for the Wii U. Nintendo has always been under criticism for recycling their existing franchises over and over again, and it seems that Nintendo may have taken some of that criticism to heart. Nintendo had recently published new intellectual properties such as Pandora’s Tower, Xenoblade Chronicles, and The Last Story for the Wii, and then they published Dillon’s Rolling Western, Pushmo, and Freaky Forms for the 3DS. It seems more evident that Nintendo is pushing harder for new franchises and more creativity.

that seems like a lot of detail for what Nintendo has planned. I wonder how credible this rumor is as I'm not very familiar with the site it's coming from.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 13, 2012, 01:25:18 AM
Wow that sounds exciting but sounds a little too good to be true. Or you know maybe not. A new Wii like series could be one or 2 of them. I'm hoping for at least 1 character based, story driven IP.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 13, 2012, 01:47:34 AM
I hope one of the new IPs is an FPS. It probably isn't, but that's what I would hope for. Microsoft and Sony have their own exclusive FPS games, but this is the one genre Nintendo is completely devoid of and it should be addressed.
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Post by: Enner on March 13, 2012, 02:48:57 AM
Nintendo having an exclusive and successful shooter series or two would be good. Don't know who would be making it unless Retro would be okay staring down the barrel of a different gun for the good part of another decade. Maybe Nintendo can fuse/collaborate Retro, High Voltage, and n-Space and make some magic!

The rumor that interests me most is Nintendo taking a loss on the Wii U. Given the history of how Nintendo profits off of selling hardware, this is an unexpected and aggressive move if it is true. It might mean a cheap home console, or it could be that the system has a lot of pep.
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Post by: Adrock on March 13, 2012, 07:11:44 AM
The rumor that interests me most is Nintendo taking a loss on the Wii U. Given the history of how Nintendo profits off of selling hardware, this is an unexpected and aggressive move if it is true. It might mean a cheap home console, or it could be that the system has a lot of pep.
Yeah, I'd be really surprised if Nintendo took a loss on hardware out of the gate. Is that really a smart strategy? I'm not convinced that they're taking a loss on 3DS but I recall reading years ago that they took a small loss during the GameCube years after one of the price drops (possibly when they cut it to $99, not sure though).

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo was willing to break even on hardware. That's a fair compromise. Still, in terms of spending money, I really wish Nintendo would start using better components in their hardware, specifically things like glass screens, bigger/better lithium ion batteries, a better/faster Wi-Fi chip etc. I'm just listing things on 3DS but they apply to Wii U also. I hope Nintendo manages to get the tablet controller to last at least 15-20 hours on a single charge.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 13, 2012, 09:34:23 AM
Reading what BnM posted My take away is:

3 Months out they better know what there going to be showing at E3 for the most part.  Good, large scale, custom presentations take time to make.

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...that Nintendo is considering keeping the price of the Wii U lower than they want to...

We all know that Nintendo has a pretty good profit margin on most there products.  For Nintendo getting say 1% above cost on the Hardware is not as much as they like.

I'm not going to comment on the numbers and that last paragraph could just as easily be an educated guess.  The reasoning is given in there.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 13, 2012, 11:25:22 AM
I think Nintendo should rebrand Custom Robo with a robust online feature. Some team style death match gameplay would really fit with the series. But new IPs are cool too.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 13, 2012, 11:47:34 AM
I would love another Custom Robo game.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 13, 2012, 12:04:04 PM
Traditionally Nintendo never sold their hardware for a loss, but what may make the Wii U different is that this time around Nintendo has a shitload of money which they've made over the last 6 years from the extremely successful DS and Wii. All of this extra money Nintendo has at its disposal may change their thinking about selling hardware at a loss. They would definitely make it back in software sales, so I don't see it as much of a risk.
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Post by: Kairon on March 13, 2012, 12:40:23 PM
It's not just that. I think the market is definitely more price conscious now, and weak foreign exchange rates will also cut into their profitability on each sale.
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Post by: Ceric on March 13, 2012, 01:15:11 PM
They had a lot of money going into the N64 from the Super Nintendo.  Nintendo is never hurting for money, but they make choices to insure that will continue.
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Post by: Kairon on March 13, 2012, 01:35:57 PM
Yeah, there's a reason Nintendo has all that money saved up: they've resisted many past temptations to spend it. This fiscal conservatism enables their consistent artistic radicalism, and always keeps them buffered against a fate like Sega's.
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Post by: Ian Sane on March 13, 2012, 02:21:47 PM
Wow that sounds exciting but sounds a little too good to be true. Or you know maybe not. A new Wii like series could be one or 2 of them. I'm hoping for at least 1 character based, story driven IP.

I'm hoping for something story driven as well.  Steel Diver is new IP but do I give a ****?  It needs to be something exciting where we are introduced to a new world and form an emotional connection with it.  Wii Sports was a licence to print money but is there any emotional interest in it like fans have for Mario, Pokemon, Zelda?  It's just customized avatars playing sports.  Not every game can have a mythology to it but that is what I really want out of a new IP from Nintendo.

The low price thing is encouraging because it is not associated with Nintendo intentionally borking the specs to achieve it.  I want good value, not something cheap.  It also suggests that Nintendo learned from the 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 13, 2012, 02:27:14 PM
Apparently Donkey Kong 3D was fake. But it will happen eventually.

http://kotaku.com/5892805/gamestop-debunks-wild-donkey-kong-3d-rumors?utm_campaign=socialflow_kotaku_twitter&utm_source=kotaku_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

And Megaman creator wants to make something for Wii U.
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/inafune-on-the-sad-state-of-japanese-gaming-6365702

Ian, we are going to get project hammer watch as one of them. But it won't look like a lame beat em up with crappy motion controls. It's going to be some Epic hammer wielding robot messing up massive robot aliens or some stone age cave man beating up dinosaurs. I'd like either of those actually.


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Post by: MysticGohan on March 13, 2012, 02:30:57 PM
Keep it up, I need more news. I'm starving here.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 13, 2012, 02:32:56 PM
Not a rumor but news. Pikmin and Donkey Kong could have appeared in Galaxy, but Miyamoto said no.
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/2012/03/12/super-mario-galaxy-2-could-have-featured-donkey-kong-and-pikmin-cameos-but-miyamoto-said-no/ (http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/2012/03/12/super-mario-galaxy-2-could-have-featured-donkey-kong-and-pikmin-cameos-but-miyamoto-said-no/)


This is a good article. They ask if DK could be the main enemy again. They answer to the affect of, if we need an enemy to throw barrels or some such then maybe. Bowser was throwing barrels in Mario 3D Land. I know Ian wants to see a none Bowser core Mario game. Seems like some of the actual guys making the game think the same way.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 13, 2012, 03:16:16 PM
Wow that sounds exciting but sounds a little too good to be true. Or you know maybe not. A new Wii like series could be one or 2 of them. I'm hoping for at least 1 character based, story driven IP.

I'm hoping for something story driven as well.  Steel Diver is new IP but do I give a ****?  It needs to be something exciting where we are introduced to a new world and form an emotional connection with it.  Wii Sports was a licence to print money but is there any emotional interest in it like fans have for Mario, Pokemon, Zelda?  It's just customized avatars playing sports.  Not every game can have a mythology to it but that is what I really want out of a new IP from Nintendo.

Xenoblade and The Last Story are exactly what you people are asking for and are coming out on the Wii in the next few months.  Both games are very story driven new Nintendo IP's and in the case of Xenoblade, a f*cking massive 100+ hour experience.  Just because NOA hasn't been the most supportive in bringing them over, doesn't chance the fact they're still new Nintendo IP's that NCL funded and created.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 13, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
Wow that sounds exciting but sounds a little too good to be true. Or you know maybe not. A new Wii like series could be one or 2 of them. I'm hoping for at least 1 character based, story driven IP.

I'm hoping for something story driven as well.  Steel Diver is new IP but do I give a ****?  It needs to be something exciting where we are introduced to a new world and form an emotional connection with it.  Wii Sports was a licence to print money but is there any emotional interest in it like fans have for Mario, Pokemon, Zelda?  It's just customized avatars playing sports.  Not every game can have a mythology to it but that is what I really want out of a new IP from Nintendo.

Xenoblade and The Last Story are exactly what you people are asking for and are coming out on the Wii in the next few months.  Both games are very story driven new Nintendo IP's and in the case of Xenoblade, a f*cking massive 100+ hour experience.  Just because NOA hasn't been the most supportive in bringing them over, doesn't chance the fact they're still new Nintendo IP's that NCL funded and created.

Hey i'm not complaining at all, and I have never EVER once complained about seeing Nintendo's franchises given sequels every generation. I'm super happy for these RPG's and i'm even expecting these characters to show up in smash bros.

And seeing how Smash is the most important thing on my mind right now, I just hope at E3 we get at least 1 more new IP that is character and story driven, so another new character or 2 could join the smash bros crew.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2012, 11:37:06 PM
Crytek to announce something next month.... I wonder if it's Wii U related?
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.computerandvideogames.com/339584/crytek-to-announce-spectacular-consolepc-project-in-april/
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 14, 2012, 12:57:54 AM
:o
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Post by: sebasrd27 on March 14, 2012, 06:34:58 AM
Hi everyone! I´m a newcomer, posting from Spain. I´ve been reading you those days. It´s very interesting to see how people share information or rumors about WiiU. On the Spanish forums most people is excited about WiiU and waiting for the E3 so badly  :)
I want to share some info, coming from the Japanese website Andriasang. It´s about FF Versus XIII:

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  Tetsuya Nomura says in this week's Famitsu that he's almost ready with preparations for sharing new Final Fantasy Versus XIII info. So does that mean we can expect an update soon? Apparently not. According to Nomura, certain circumstances, which he describes as "totally unrelated," are preventing him from sharing the info. He also said that he's not allowed to talk about the situation, so all he can do is continue engaging in discussions. Discussions with who? He didn't say.
Mysterious!
 

A bit misterious words from Nomura... They are engaging discussions with SONY cause the game will be on others platforms too?  He is not allowed to share the info according to certain circumstances? Maybe a WiiU version of the game?

To me, it would be very nice to see this game on WiiU!!


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And seeing how Smash is the most important thing on my mind right now, I just hope at E3 we get at least 1 more new IP that is character and story driven, so another new character or 2 could join the smash bros crew.

Thanks for responding my emails the other day, Matt!!
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 14, 2012, 12:03:01 PM
A WiiU version would be neat.  I'm not getting my hopes up though.  Welcome to posting on the forums.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 14, 2012, 01:34:24 PM
That Sonic Dimensions rumor appears to be a hoax.
 [size=78%]http://spong.com/feature/10110643/Interview-Sonic-4-Episode-2 (http://spong.com/feature/10110643/Interview-Sonic-4-Episode-2)[/size]


Good, Nintendo needs to just do it themselves and no need for multipersonality Sonic with slightly different abilities, that's what Kunckles and Tails are for!


Analyst things GTA V early next year with a Wii U version possible.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-14-gta-v-likely-to-launch-in-early-2013-wii-u-sku-possible-analyst? (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-14-gta-v-likely-to-launch-in-early-2013-wii-u-sku-possible-analyst?)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 14, 2012, 01:37:07 PM
Oh god if the Wii U could bring mainline FF back to Nintendo consoles... *swoon*
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 14, 2012, 05:40:16 PM
Oh god if the Wii U could bring mainline FF back to Nintendo consoles... *swoon*
Technically FF Versus XIII is not mainline.  It's similar to FFXIII-2 only held in much higher regard.
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Post by: Sarail on March 14, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
I'm actually expecting Versus XIII to land on Nintendo's next console. The dev team switched engines on the game in the middle of development to make it functionally work properly and efficiently for the PS3 (I believe, right?).

Though, I'd love to see the mainline series return on a Nintendo system. It's been FAR too long.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 14, 2012, 07:11:48 PM
I'd like to see Nintendo and Square-Enix collaborate on a long overdue sequel to Super Mario RPG. There was supposed to have been one on the Nintendo 64, but the relationship between Nintendo and Square fell apart and it just never happened. I know its been a long time, but we recently seen a new Super Mario bros. game and a new Donkey Kong Country, so anything can happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 14, 2012, 07:25:55 PM
I may be in the minority, but I'd argue that every Mario RPG since the original is a better game than Super Mario RPG. Both Paper Marios, and at least Mario & Luigi 1 and 3, if not 2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 14, 2012, 07:46:37 PM
I may be in the minority, but I'd argue that every Mario RPG since the original is a better game than Super Mario RPG. Both Paper Marios, and at least Mario & Luigi 1 and 3, if not 2.

Insanolord, I hate to rain on your parade but Super Mario RPG was the best of all. Not to discredit the other RPG series, but the SNES was so ahead of its time and the quality of the game demands a sequel.
 
Why is Team Ninja including a Hero mode in Ninja Gaiden 3? They seem to to want to appeal to a broader market by making the game series easier. Honestly, I think that Tecmo Koie realizes that Dynasty Warriors, DoA and Ninja Gaiden need more customers in order to keep the bills paid on time. That is reasoning.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on March 14, 2012, 07:51:47 PM
Wow. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Kytim, but yeah, Super Mario RPG is leaps and bounds better than the Paper Mario series. There may be more humor found within the characters in Paper Mario, but the battle system, having a three-person party (with backups), and 3/4-view graphical style is loads better than PM. I just get the sense of having a more epic adventure out of Super Mario RPG than I do with Paper Mario. It is what is.

And Square/Nintendo did it right.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 14, 2012, 08:18:12 PM
The mode 7 mole cart races and battling a giant wedding cake are two good reasons why Super Mario RPG game is better than all Mario RPGs since. Oh yeah, and don't forget Frogfucious.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 14, 2012, 08:19:36 PM
The mode 7 mole cart races and battling a giant wedding cake are two good reasons why Super Mario RPG game is better than all Mario RPGs since. Oh yeah, and don't forget Frogfucious.

The Smithy gang is one of my favorite group of villains of all time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 14, 2012, 08:51:38 PM
I didn't play Super Mario RPG until the Virtual Console, and it just feels really dated to me. In my opinion, the newer games have better battle systems and are certainly better written and better looking. "Epic adventure" just feels out of place in the Mario universe to me; I prefer the more lighthearted, humorous takes the newer games have. I will admit that having a larger party is nice.

Keep in mind that I'm not usually a big fan of JRPGs, so the increased platforming elements in the new games help a lot, and I absolutely love the badge system in the Paper Mario games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 14, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
Even if Sonic Dimensions isn't gonna happen, that doesn't mean Sega might not have something Sonic related planned for Wii U
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-14-takashi-iizuka-outlines-vision-for-sonic-on-ps4-next-xbox (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-14-takashi-iizuka-outlines-vision-for-sonic-on-ps4-next-xbox)
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Meanwhile, as Microsoft and Sony sort their next-generation plans out internally, Nintendo is preparing to release the Wii U, its Wii successor, in time for Christmas.

Iizuka said Sonic is the "perfect fit" for the device, but kept his cards close to his chest when quizzed by Eurogamer.
He said: "The Wii was an extremely successful platform. It was totally global. It went into the families that maybe would not have picked up a home console before. It created that living room experience with families, and it had great success.

"Now, adding the controller, and in a sense upgrading the Wii, it has got potential to further that and increase its customer base.

"I feel Sonic is the right fit because it is that kind of family experience game. I do feel Wii U is applicable to Sonic. But how we will apply using the controller to Sonic is something we're still thinking about at the moment."
Title: AMD & IBM building Wii U together in India?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 14, 2012, 09:57:17 PM
It's been rumored for quite a while now that AMD & IBM have been developing the Wii U together somewhere in India for the last 2 years, but now there are some resumes out there that back this up. But I'm only gonna quote the one with the most direct evidence.

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(http://i43.tinypic.com/ndu42b.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 14, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
Interesting BnM, especially the SATA part, does this mean,it will have a Hard Drive? Theoretically?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 14, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
It's been rumored for quite a while now that AMD & IBM have been developing the Wii U together somewhere in India for the last 2 years, but now there are some resumes out there that back this up. But I'm only gonna quote the one with the most direct evidence.

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(http://i43.tinypic.com/ndu42b.jpg)
I doubt that is good for getting them a job because I'm sure the NDA isn't up on that stuff.  At the very least should have left Wii-U out in that part till it was released.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 14, 2012, 10:05:32 PM
Is anyone interested in Ninja Gaiden 3 for the Wii U?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 14, 2012, 10:07:09 PM
Is anyone interested in Ninja Gaiden 3 for the Wii U?

Sure!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 14, 2012, 10:16:18 PM
I actually agree all the other Mario RPG games were better than Super Mario RPG.  I played the game first on the Wii...so I didn't have any tainting of the game system being revolutionary at the time...which should get points at the time, but should not have any real determining factor which is more fun and enjoyable in the future.

When I look back at Super Mario RPG, I thought the controls in the overhead exploration were not perfect...and it caused problems for me.  I thought the characters were bland.  Yeah...I am looking at you toy man Geno.  Boring.

I thought the gameboy advance Mario RPGs are by far the best with a great sense of humor not often found in RPGs.  An action combat system that is nearly perfected.  Yes, Super Mario RPG did it first, but it is so much better in the GBA Mario series. 

But in the end, these are all opinions, so to each his own.
Title: Silicon Knights definitely working on Wii U
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 14, 2012, 10:17:36 PM
oh, and Silicon Knights is working on something for the Wii U... but we already kinda knew that didn't we ;)

What we don't know is if it is Eternal Darkness 2 or not
http://pileon.ca/?attachment_id=211 (http://pileon.ca/?attachment_id=211)
check out this resume for yourself
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on March 14, 2012, 11:34:59 PM
Could be the sequel to Too Human, as it ended in a way that hinted at a sequel... actually, I remembered now that they said it was supposed to be a trilogy. Oh well, Eternal Darkness 2 it most likely is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 14, 2012, 11:39:31 PM
I would love a Too Human sequel. The first was a solid game with some problems, and if they had the opportunity to hone what they had and fix the flaws a sequel could be great/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 14, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
Could be the sequel to Too Human, as it ended in a way that hinted at a sequel... actually, I remembered now that they said it was supposed to be a trilogy. Oh well, Eternal Darkness 2 it most likely is.

But if you look back on the list, Dyack said they are working on their most requested title of this gen and I'm sure that could only be ED2


Silicon Knights making ED2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705588#msg705588)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2012, 12:11:57 AM
It's been rumored for quite a while now that AMD & IBM have been developing the Wii U together somewhere in India for the last 2 years, but now there are some resumes out there that back this up. But I'm only gonna quote the one with the most direct evidence.

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(http://i43.tinypic.com/ndu42b.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2lxwl6g.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/24m5pxf.jpg)

I decided to go ahead and post the other 2 just for the hell of it. ;D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 15, 2012, 12:15:00 AM
What does all of that mean?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2012, 12:30:32 AM
It means that the Wii U GPU has been under work since atleast June 2009 somewhere in India where AMD has a research and development pretty damn close to a IBM research and development place also in India.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on March 15, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
I would love a Too Human sequel. The first was a solid game with some problems, and if they had the opportunity to hone what they had and fix the flaws a sequel could be great.

Indeed.

But if you look back on the list, Dyack said they are working on their most requested title of this gen and I'm sure that could only be ED2

Wouldn't that mean they would have to work with Nintendo again?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2012, 12:39:17 AM
Has this rumor been posted yet?

http://www.gamezone.com/products/wii-u/news/rumor-wii-u-to-get-three-new-franchises

Three new franchises, 70 games in development (10 by Nintendo) Multiple price points

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2012, 12:55:01 AM
But if you look back on the list, Dyack said they are working on their most requested title of this gen and I'm sure that could only be ED2

Wouldn't that mean they would have to work with Nintendo again?

Nintendo does still own a portion of the company.

Has this rumor been posted yet?
http://www.gamezone.com/products/wii-u/news/rumor-wii-u-to-get-three-new-franchises
Three new franchises, 70 games in development (10 by Nintendo) Multiple price points

yeah.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723117#msg723117
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 15, 2012, 01:05:12 AM
Has this rumor been posted yet?

http://www.gamezone.com/products/wii-u/news/rumor-wii-u-to-get-three-new-franchises

Three new franchises, 70 games in development (10 by Nintendo) Multiple price points



You just pulled a Caterkiller!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on March 15, 2012, 01:13:15 AM
You just pulled a Caterkiller!

So... much... wrong...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on March 15, 2012, 01:16:00 AM
Has this rumor been posted yet?

http://www.gamezone.com/products/wii-u/news/rumor-wii-u-to-get-three-new-franchises (http://www.gamezone.com/products/wii-u/news/rumor-wii-u-to-get-three-new-franchises)

Three new franchises, 70 games in development (10 by Nintendo) Multiple price points



You just pulled a Caterkiller!

But nothing happened.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2012, 01:40:26 AM
I like to call it a "Britta"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 15, 2012, 07:02:10 AM
Denis Dyack teased "making a sequel" like 5 years ago before Too Human was even released. The only logical conclusion is Eternal Darkness because Legacy of Kain is so far away from what Silicon Knoghts originally created and why would Square Enix, the current owners of the IP, feel nostalgic enough to invite SK back to the series?

It makes sense for Silicon Knights to start making games for Nintendo consoles again. I remember reading that they disagreed with the direction Nintendo was going with the Wii. With Wii U hardware supposedly impressing everyone, Silicon Knights probably don't feel like they have to compromise their vision.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on March 15, 2012, 09:06:32 AM
Rumour: Mini Ninjas sequel coming to Nintendo platforms?

Source - http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/122/1220810p1.html (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/122/1220810p1.html)

Square Enix purportedly filed trademarks and web domain names for Mini Ninjas: Hiro's Adventure. The first game was on both Wii and DS, so it would hardly be a stretch to see the next one on 3DS and Wii U.

I know Mini Ninjas was kind of under-the-radar, but I thought it was a pretty good action-adventure game, even if it was primarily aimed at kids.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ejamer on March 15, 2012, 05:22:34 PM
Rumour: Mini Ninjas sequel coming to Nintendo platforms?

...

I know Mini Ninjas was kind of under-the-radar, but I thought it was a pretty good action-adventure game, even if it was primarily aimed at kids.


Agreed.  It was clearly targeting a younger audience, but avoided feeling like a "dumbed down" game.


Mini Ninjas was a quality title and entertaining enough that adults who are supervising or playing along (or sneaking their own game time) could enjoy the game too.  I'd be happy to see a sequel.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2012, 12:48:08 AM
Some Speculation from someone who's speculation may be a little more than that.
his sleuthing is what led to this latest entry on the rumor list.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723379#msg723379
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Quote from: wsippel
Since I suspected SoCtronics to be involved in the Wii U design, I dug a little deeper. Turns out at least one of my early conclusions was spot on: SoCtronics did, in fact, work with AMD Hyderabad on a GPU. And at least one more company was seemingly involved: Incube Solutions. (http://www.incubesol.com/) Turns out Incube Solutions designs high performance audio DSPs (Incube APS), as well as custom realtime operating systems, drivers and frameworks for high performance multimedia applications.

The part they worked on is a 40nm GPU with GDDR5 interface, ~625 million transistors, which would put it roughly in line with Redwood (5570). Raw performance wise, that part would actually be about twice as fast as Xenos.
Quote from: wsippel
I'm not reaching far, I'm connecting dots:

  • The Wii U GPU was in the works at AMD Hyderabad from June 2009 to June 2011
  • SoCtronics worked with AMD Hyderabad from 2009 to June 2011
  • SoCtronics worked with AMD on the GPU I described
  • The GPU in question is not available at retail and doesn't match any off-the-shelf AMD GPU


I figured at worst, this will spark a little conversation around here.
But I remember speculating way back when that the Wii U GPU might be based off an HD5000 series chip where the Eyefinity was already native. If there really are dots to be connected, then maybe I was on the right track after all.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg678745;topicseen#msg678745
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on March 18, 2012, 12:52:54 AM
I'm not a smoker but I can't resist a BlackNMild every now and then lol.  Looks like your spot on bro.  I literally can't wait till WiiU launches.  I think this could be the first time where I might just be content with one console.  If WiiU can secure a mojority of the multiplatform titles, then I'm set.  Goodbye PS4 and xbox720.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2012, 01:05:09 AM
and something I want to add to that that wasn't quoted over, the Resumes go till roughly June 2011, which could possibly be the chips that were banged out for the demos at E3, BUT we know that there was a boost in performance at the end of the year, which means that they obviously kept working on the chip and that speculated 5570 could be boosted up to the performance of a 5670 or a 5770.

But I don't know much about the differences other than what is listed here on this wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 18, 2012, 02:02:10 AM
Oooh, so GDDR 5 then it sounds like? I wasn't sure if GDDR3 was still an option, but this makes it sounds like they're upgrading. But... I remember reading elsewhere that GDDR5 isn't yet coming in small enough, high-density enough chips, so if they want to put a lot of RAM on there they're going to have a difficult job, and the console's going to need more internal room and be larger sized.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 18, 2012, 02:45:33 AM
the console's going to need more internal room and be larger sized.

The console could always be slimmed down later on in a future revision, once the chips can be made smaller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 18, 2012, 04:18:08 AM
heh, BnM hit Jackpot! sound's good, can't wait to see what Nintendo could do with such powah!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2012, 11:13:13 AM
A lesson in how to start a rumor and drive hits to your site based on nothing. and why you always try to track a story/rumor down to where it originated from.

Below, an Analyst speculates that Rockstar may delayed GTAV (based on retail channel checks and previous release schedules) to possibly complete a Wii U build of the game;

Analyst things GTA V early next year with a Wii U version possible.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-14-gta-v-likely-to-launch-in-early-2013-wii-u-sku-possible-analyst? (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-14-gta-v-likely-to-launch-in-early-2013-wii-u-sku-possible-analyst?)

The next day, a blog site runs with that speculation and rewords it as fact, yet provides no source to their info in hopes that they won't be discovered.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/03/grand-theft-auto-5-coming-to-wii-u-in-2013/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/03/grand-theft-auto-5-coming-to-wii-u-in-2013/)
Quote from: wiiudaily 3/15/2012
According to a new financial report from developer/publisher Rockstar, the company will release Grand Theft Auto 5 in early 2013, and it will be coming to the Wii U in addition to other consoles. GTA V was announced last year, but no release date was given. Considering that Rockstar usually takes their time with games, and rarely announces release date until they’re absolutely certain, it’s easy to see Grand Theft Auto 5 be released about a year from now. But the biggest surprise is that it now appears we’ll be seeing GTA V on the Nintendo Wii U as well, and hopefully with some new and innovative ways of using the new Wii U controller.

well, you've been discovered. and I'm only posting this here just in case it gets picked up elsewhere and someone else decides to post it thinking it's a confirmation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 18, 2012, 02:42:43 PM
I'm totally having flashbacks of Shattered Glass right now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 18, 2012, 02:45:29 PM
the console's going to need more internal room and be larger sized.

The console could always be slimmed down later on in a future revision, once the chips can be made smaller.

Yup, I'm starting to think Nintendo will take take a hit in form factor if they intend on putting all this tech in the thing. Maybe if they can keep everyone looking at the controller, which is the general idea, no one will stop to think about how big the console is.

The Wii had to be small and attractive and non-threatening partly because Nintendo wanted the thing front and center in people's living rooms. But with the Wii U, it's the controller that's supposed to be a visual center of attention, not the console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2012, 03:04:29 PM
I'm totally having flashbacks of Shattered Glass right now.

Shattered Glass?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on March 18, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
GDDR5 has been around since 2008. I don't think that's a limiting factor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 18, 2012, 03:07:18 PM
Shattered Glass?

That movie about that reporter who made up stories at a major periodical and kept doing it for like, years and years before getting caught.
Title: Wii U Dev Kits are True 720p with heavy uPad usage.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2012, 04:51:11 PM
Reassurance of what we already believed to be true?

IdeaMan over @ NeoGAF (a french  "ex-journalist") has been dropping bread crumbs behind him in hopes of keeping things exciting on the long road to E3 based on 2nd hand info he has obtained from dev contacts of his.

His latest post points things out quite clearly.
Current Wii U dev kits are topping out @ 720p with extensive uPad screen usage.
1080p still doable with little to no complex sub-screening... but, games being referenced are ports of PS360 games.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36144655&postcount=4991 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36144655&postcount=4991)
Quote from: IdeaMan
About the resolution of the games from which my second-hand knowledge come. This may precise a tad more the Wii U power, in a specific context, how third-parties handle the system. It’s related to everything I’ve said before.

The games concerned run ALL in 720p on the main screen. For now, from the mouths of my sources, it's not a console that looks to manage software with complex engines with such ease that their resolution might be 1080p, even at 30 fps. The 720p resolution is best suited for these titles to have a smooth framerate, in addition of the subscreen.

Now let’s talk about the context, which is as important as the information itself:

- Both games have an intensive use of the padlet. More concretely, 3D scenes, different angle of what is on the TV (bird eye view for example). The system is therefore capable of displaying a main screen of AT LEAST comparable quality than current gen versions in 720p (with I guess, a certain amount of AA, etc.) AND another 480p content on the tablet.
- The titles are ports that will be available on actual HD platforms, or more “exclusive” ones but build on inhouse engines already deployed in previous softs. They aren’t tailored from A to Z for the Wii U particularities. And everything is still in development, + dependent of the evolution of dev kits that are changing regularly (at least until now). So it can only improve, and the situation may be different for Nintendo and first-party titles.
- The dev kit involved are the V4 ones. The “V5” is a little more powerful, but apparently not to a point to push these games from 720p to 1080p.
- My sources added that the resolution is the one chosen for now, but a hypothetical other power boost that may occurring post V5  need to be important to allow the system to run these games properly in 1080p.
- These titles will change in the visual department as, like I said, some effects will be applied more in the “end” of the development, with perhaps graphical features not handled by current gen, thanks to the more modern Wii U GPU. So the end result on the main screen will be prettier than on PS360, with a higher resolution (many current gen content are not in true 720p) and especially in conjunction with a heavy use of the tablet. We might expect that games leaving it for simple things will be even more impressive on the TV.

From these informations, several speculations can be derived as:
- The possibility that games with simple engines, such as family titles, Mii-based ones, etc, will be in 1080p.
- Maybe other developers, with a simplistic use of the padlet + after all the optimizations and hardware boosts/tweaking until the dev kit finalization (if they are only moderate and not extensive to a point that it will change this situation completely), will release games in 1080p (with less AA than on 720p, less FPS, etc.), but it doesn’t seem possible AT the moment, if they want their titles to reach a certain level of sophistication and quality in visuals on the TV + intricate use of the subscreen.
- I guess we can speculate further on the power and the amount of some components with this, such as memory / buffer, the GPU…

All these infos are related to my previous posts (it’s the same context) about the hardware power scale, the impressions of my sources, the tablet usage, the memory, the surprising amount of RAM occupation from the OS/Background (it will surely be better and therefore have a positive impact on the general performances, etc.).

Nothing revolutionary as I said, but it can help narrowing a little more the Wii U capacities in this particular context, what you can expect from third parties ports/not exclusive games (because having followed each page of these threads, I saw many gafers who are expecting these titles to be the 1080p versions of their current gen counterparts, but for now, it’s not the case). This does not necessarily mean that the Wii U is underpowered EITHER: manage a visually ambitious game in a solid 720p & framerate, at the minimum a bit prettier than on Xbox 360 + an additional 480p screen with a complex scene rendered on it, is not a small thing.


Just want to note that he is talking about PS360 ports on the Wii U and not games that were build from the ground up for Wii U, nor are they being developed on final Dev Kits, so many things could still change.


But what is being said:
Better than PS360 visuals (atleast true 720p) with more effects and better framerates on the TV while also using the uPad (480p) screen, and that is for a game with complex imagery going on on the uPad at the same time.
does still sound good. and that is from a non final dev kit from a game(s) that are not built from the ground up for Wii U.

Now we need to know how the dual uPad usage is gonna work out. 1080p Madden 2013?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 18, 2012, 05:19:57 PM
Interesting read. I wonder how many games are really going to need to display complex imagery on both the TV and tablet controller at the same time. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 18, 2012, 06:13:17 PM
Just for an example, a number of 360 and PS3 games are not full 720p. A list of resolutions can be found here:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on March 18, 2012, 06:18:22 PM
Excellent stuff, BlackNMild.

Also, I hope you don't mind, but I sometimes post your rumors finds at gamespot.com.  Of course, I always give you credit. ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 18, 2012, 06:21:47 PM
Sony never required games to be in HD (720p and up), though for the first few years of its existence Microsoft did require all Xbox 360 games to be at least 720p.

Not surprised that games the use the Wii U controller extensively will be limited to 720p, the system does have to process the video for both the TV and the controller since the controller does none of it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 18, 2012, 06:46:04 PM
Can't current (PS360) consoles do 1080? If the WiiU can only do 720 then that's a step backwards. I know it can do 1080 if the tablet display is disabled, but that's a major selling point behind the console, so that shouldn't have to be disabled.

Also, imagine what this is going to mean if 2 or more tablets are involved. Will the TV's resolution have to be knocked down to 480 in order to pull off local multiplayer? That would really suck.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 18, 2012, 06:52:40 PM
Do you mean upscaling or actual resolution? Only like three 360 games can do 1080p and they're sports games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on March 18, 2012, 06:56:41 PM
From my understanding of what I just read is that 1080p means simple Upad integration not a complete disabling.  All this is for ports not built around the wiiu specifically and its only regarding V4 of the development kits.  Things will always improve with time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 18, 2012, 06:58:10 PM
Chozo, I don't think you read any of what BnM2K1 posted.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 18, 2012, 07:34:05 PM
I am surprised to find that rendering anything to the uMote effects the main screen.  Simply because the 3DS has a GPU for each screen if memory serves.  I be very surprised if the uMote doesn't have a smaller dedicated GPU of its own in the WiiU. 

I personally be dismayed to only be doing 720p on complex things.  Why?  Because PCs can support larger than 1080p and has for while.

If I was going to make a game system today I would want doing 1080p 60 FPS on my most taxing game in the current gen to be a clear goal.  We are not moving from 1080p in a while.  I would have an eye on doing 1080p 3D at 30 FPS on the same game.  I be very surprised if MS and Sony are not thinking much the same thing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on March 18, 2012, 07:44:55 PM
I am surprised to find that rendering anything to the uMote effects the main screen.  Simply because the 3DS has a GPU for each screen if memory serves.  I be very surprised if the uMote doesn't have a smaller dedicated GPU of its own in the WiiU. 

But the Wii U console has to process the image and send it to the controller.  With the 3ds, each process can access the game information independently and thus they do not need to be linked.  The controller has no access to anything unless the console accesses it and sends it in a format that the controller can understand.  It would have to be plugged into the Wii console to do things independently of the system.

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I personally be dismayed to only be doing 720p on complex things.  Why?  Because PCs can support larger than 1080p and has for while.

That is a little baffling.  I know a decent computer would cost more than most consoles, but a console isn't running a large OS and dozens of programs in the backgrand.  Plus, you know what your getting with a console.  On the PC you have to code additional options to be able to handle all the different hardware possibilities. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 18, 2012, 08:09:24 PM
But the Wii U console has to process the image and send it to the controller.

He gets that. He said the WiiU should have a separate GPU on the console (not the tablet) which has the sole purpose of handling the display which is then streamed to the tablet. Apparently, as it is there is only one GPU on the WiiU and this one GPU has the burden of handling display to BOTH the tablet and the TV at the same time.

What Ceric is saying is the WiiU console should have another GPU to handle the tablet streaming. That way the core GPU which does the TV would be completely free to do its thing and not have to be taxed by doing multiple things.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 18, 2012, 08:14:47 PM
I am surprised to find that rendering anything to the uMote effects the main screen.  Simply because the 3DS has a GPU for each screen if memory serves.  I be very surprised if the uMote doesn't have a smaller dedicated GPU of its own in the WiiU. 

But the Wii U console has to process the image and send it to the controller.  With the 3ds, each process can access the game information independently and thus they do not need to be linked.  The controller has no access to anything unless the console accesses it and sends it in a format that the controller can understand.  It would have to be plugged into the Wii console to do things independently of the system.
I'm a litte confused by this.  Read the portion that is bolded.  The WiiU does all the processing and then sends it to the uMote.  It makes sense that it would have a dedicated GPU that sole purpose in life was to do the processing for the uMote.  The 3DS already has the concept with the second GPU which was intended to just drive 1 of the screens.


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I personally be dismayed to only be doing 720p on complex things.  Why?  Because PCs can support larger than 1080p and has for while.

That is a little baffling.  I know a decent computer would cost more than most consoles, but a console isn't running a large OS and dozens of programs in the backgrand.  Plus, you know what your getting with a console.  On the PC you have to code additional options to be able to handle all the different hardware possibilities. 
Whats baffling?  PCs have been able to do 1080p since before it was relatively standard on TVs.  Mind you maybe not very cost effectively.  With how Consoles can specialize it should be easier to obtain the same goal.


But the Wii U console has to process the image and send it to the controller.

He gets that. He said the WiiU should have a separate GPU on the console (not the tablet) which has the sole purpose of handling the display which is then streamed to the tablet. Apparently, as it is there is only one GPU on the WiiU and this one GPU has the burden of handling display to BOTH the tablet and the TV at the same time.

What Ceric is saying is the WiiU console should have another GPU to handle the tablet streaming. That way the core GPU which does the TV would be completely free to do its thing and not have to be taxed by doing multiple things.
Yeah.  It was also a statement of confusion since Nintendo has already done this method before with the DS line.  It would also make the initial 1 uMote only concept make more sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on March 18, 2012, 08:17:09 PM
I think I'm more interested to know what developers are putting on the uPad screen that's so taxing. Gotta be some pretty neat stuff.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on March 18, 2012, 08:21:09 PM
The 3DS does not have a second GPU. It has a dual-core CPU, but a single-core GPU.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on March 18, 2012, 08:27:06 PM

I'm a litte confused by this.  Read the portion that is bolded. 

That makes sense, I'll have to work on my comprehensive reading skills a little bit.  The Wii U isn't finalized yet.  But then again I wouldn't hold my hope out for such an arrangement since that would require a greater console cost. 

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I personally be dismayed to only be doing 720p on complex things.  Why?  Because PCs can support larger than 1080p and has for while.

That is a little baffling.  I know a decent computer would cost more than most consoles, but a console isn't running a large OS and dozens of programs in the backgrand.  Plus, you know what your getting with a console.  On the PC you have to code additional options to be able to handle all the different hardware possibilities. 

Whats baffling?  PCs have been able to do 1080p since before it was relatively standard on TVs.  Mind you maybe not very cost effectively.  With how Consoles can specialize it should be easier to obtain the same goal.
I was agreeing with you.  I.E. that is baffling that console's haven't pulled off 1080p yet(other than some token PS3/xbox360 games).  Then in my own way tried to list a couple of reasons why consoles should be able to hit those goals easier despite not having the same specs as modern PCs. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 18, 2012, 08:36:02 PM
The 3DS does not have a second GPU. It has a dual-core CPU, but a single-core GPU.
I know I have read that it had a big and a little GPU at least at one point here before.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 18, 2012, 08:49:01 PM
I think I'm more interested to know what developers are putting on the uPad screen that's so taxing. Gotta be some pretty neat stuff.

It sounds to me like they're rendering completely independent 3D scenes. This is why people are suggesting that the Wii U could probably achieve higher graphical benchmarks at launch if the controller were completely out of the picture.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 18, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Holy smokes GTAV for Wii U!!!!!!

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/03/grand-theft-auto-5-coming-to-wii-u-in-2013/


















Nah I'm kidding! I'm not that late! I checked this time!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 18, 2012, 09:20:10 PM
You bastard!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2012, 10:24:52 PM
Excellent stuff, BlackNMild.

Also, I hope you don't mind, but I sometimes post your rumors finds at gamespot.com.  Of course, I always give you credit. ;)
Oh, I don't mind at all. It would also be nice if you linked them to the rumor consolidation(s) too.

Holy smokes GTAV for Wii U!!!!!!

Nah I'm kidding! I'm not that late! I checked this time!

LOL you got me that time. I was ready to post a quote on you. Even funnier is that you are the last post on the page and that link was from the first.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: doomd on March 18, 2012, 10:58:07 PM
I am surprised to find that rendering anything to the uMote effects the main screen.  Simply because the 3DS has a GPU for each screen if memory serves.  I be very surprised if the uMote doesn't have a smaller dedicated GPU of its own in the WiiU. 

I personally be dismayed to only be doing 720p on complex things.  Why?  Because PCs can support larger than 1080p and has for while.

If I was going to make a game system today I would want doing 1080p 60 FPS on my most taxing game in the current gen to be a clear goal.  We are not moving from 1080p in a while.  I would have an eye on doing 1080p 3D at 30 FPS on the same game.  I be very surprised if MS and Sony are not thinking much the same thing.
That would honestly be a waste of silicon. Modern GPU's can handle processing images for up to 3 screens or more without much issue. And having 1080p and 60fps as a standard would severely limit what you could achieve over the current generation of consoles. Better to keep 720P as the standard in this day and age.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 18, 2012, 11:13:41 PM
I bet Ubisoft's Petz Babiez for the Wii U will still be in 480p
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 19, 2012, 05:39:59 PM
... having 1080p and 60fps as a standard would severely limit what you could achieve over the current generation of consoles. Better to keep 720P as the standard in this day and age.
Where did I say it was the standard?  So having a machine capable of doing 1080p 60 FPS on this gens complex games = severely limiting what you could achieve over the current generation?  That's like saying that buying a Sports car will stop me from going as faster then I would just buying another station wagon.

I bet Ubisoft's Petz Babiez for the Wii U will still be in 480p
and will require not TV ever to play.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 19, 2012, 05:55:12 PM
There is a cool rumor about Counter Strike and World of War Craft coming to the Wii Us download service. It has a big list of games like Sonic 4 part 2 and FF Crystal Chronicles Wii U. Don't know how to link from my phone. If BlackNM were here he would know what to do!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 19, 2012, 06:42:57 PM
If only there was a way to clone BnM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: doomd on March 19, 2012, 06:48:14 PM
... having 1080p and 60fps as a standard would severely limit what you could achieve over the current generation of consoles. Better to keep 720P as the standard in this day and age.
Where did I say it was the standard?  So having a machine capable of doing 1080p 60 FPS on this gens complex games = severely limiting what you could achieve over the current generation?  That's like saying that buying a Sports car will stop me from going as faster then I would just buying another station wagon.

I bet Ubisoft's Petz Babiez for the Wii U will still be in 480p
and will require not TV ever to play.
Ok well i must admit i didn't catch the current gen comment you stuck in there so my understanding of your post was off. But even still to have a console take the most taxing current gen game and running it at 1080P 60fps without the developers having enough understanding of the new system would be an absolute beast of a machine and something i would not expect from Nintendo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 19, 2012, 08:45:17 PM
There is a cool rumor about Counter Strike and World of War Craft coming to the Wii Us download service. It has a big list of games like Sonic 4 part 2 and FF Crystal Chronicles Wii U. Don't know how to link from my phone. If BlackNM were here he would know what to do!
That is a false rumor.  World of Warcraft will never be on a console.  The rest of it could work out.  Do people still play Counter Strike?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on March 19, 2012, 08:48:32 PM
There's a new Counter Strike coming out Ceric.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on March 19, 2012, 10:10:28 PM
Pac-Man Battle Royale is pretty ****ing awesome.
Title: Major eShop leak?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 19, 2012, 10:24:41 PM
There is a cool rumor about Counter Strike and World of War Craft coming to the Wii Us download service. It has a big list of games like Sonic 4 part 2 and FF Crystal Chronicles Wii U. Don't know how to link from my phone. If BlackNM were here he would know what to do!

I'm also posting from my phone, but here you go
 http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-major-wii-u-eshop-games-leak-includes-world-of-warcraft-cou (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-major-wii-u-eshop-games-leak-includes-world-of-warcraft-cou)

Major eShop leak?
Is it possible that atleast some of this rumor could be true...?
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Nintendo Wii U eShop Titles In Development

Level 5
  Professor Layton Chronicles (Level 5)
 
Activision
Tony Hawk Pro Skater HD-Complete (Activision) (Launch)
Goldeneye 007: Reloaded (Acitivsion) (Launch)
World of Warcraft (Activsion) (Launch)

Capcom
Resident Evil: The Mercenaries Bio Ops (Capcom)
Okamiden HD (Capcom) (Launch)
 
Electronic Arts (EA)
Boom Blox Wii U (EA)
NFL Blitz Touchdown (EA)
Burnout: Rush Hour (EA) (Launch)
Shank 2 (EA) (Launch)
Crysis (EA) (Launch)
 
Gaijan Games
Bit Trip Runner 2 (Gaijan Games) (Launch)

Namco Bandai
Tank! Tank! Tank! (Namco Bandai)
Meteos (Namco Bandai)
Pac-Man Battle Royal (Namco Bandai) (Launch)

Nexon
Dragon Nest (Nexon)
 
Nintendo
Big Brain University (Nintendo) (Launch)
Super Mario Strikers Unlimited (Nintendo) (Launch)
Fluidity: Toxic (Nintendo) (Launch)
 
Sabarasa
Protocol (Sabarasa) (Launch)
 
SEGA
Rodea the Sky Soldier (SEGA)
Renegade Ops 2 (SEGA)
Phantasy Star Online 2 (SEGA) (Launch)
Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 2 (SEGA) (Launch)
 

Spicy Horse
Big Head Bash (Spicy Horse) (Launch)
 
Square Enix
Demon's Score (Square Enix/Epic)
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles (Square Enix)
 
 Telltale Games
The Walking Dead (Telltale Games) (Launch)
 
Ubisoft
UbiArt Presents: Sketchtarium
Red Steel 2: Locked a Reloaded (Ubisoft)
I Am Alive (Ubisoft) (Launch)
 
Valve
DotA 2 (Valve)
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (Valve) (Launch)


there are a few omission that should have made this list (assuming it was legit) such as Toki Tori 2 which was confirmed to be coming already.


There is also a few games that make this list suspect, such as World of Warcraft.


But we would all love to be wrong about this one not being right.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 19, 2012, 10:37:55 PM
If that rumor is true, the Wii U launch just got even more epic and even the most jaded journalist will have a hard time saying Nintendo isn't going for the "hardcore" gamers this time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 19, 2012, 10:57:23 PM
I call fake just for the fact they have a Mario Strikers sequel as an eShop game.  Mario Strikers for the Wii was a million selling $50 retail game.  Does anyone honestly believe Nintendo would release a Mario spinoff that can easily sell millions, as just a cheap download game instead of a full price retail game were they'd make more money off it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 19, 2012, 10:59:28 PM
It would be nice if Treasure made an eShop game for laucnh. They always struck as a developer that would majke more money by going strickly digital since most of the time their retail launches seem to falter due to being so niche of a game maker.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 19, 2012, 11:01:07 PM
I call fake just for the fact they have a Mario Strikers sequel as an eShop game.  Mario Strikers for the Wii was a million selling $50 retail game.  Does anyone honestly believe Nintendo would release a Mario spinoff that can easily sell millions, as just a cheap download game instead of a full price retail game were they'd make more money off it?

Maybe they are planning to do what Sony is doing with the PS Vita, and make every retail game also available on the eShop?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on March 19, 2012, 11:04:13 PM
I call fake just for the fact they have a Mario Strikers sequel as an eShop game.  Mario Strikers for the Wii was a million selling $50 retail game.  Does anyone honestly believe Nintendo would release a Mario spinoff that can easily sell millions, as just a cheap download game instead of a full price retail game were they'd make more money off it?

Possibly, but there's always the chance that they REALLY want to promote the eShop and a big release like that might be the thing to do it. By E3 2013 they get to say they have million seller physical and eShop releases.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 19, 2012, 11:06:06 PM
I call fake just for the fact they have a Mario Strikers sequel as an eShop game.  Mario Strikers for the Wii was a million selling $50 retail game.  Does anyone honestly believe Nintendo would release a Mario spinoff that can easily sell millions, as just a cheap download game instead of a full price retail game were they'd make more money off it?

Maybe they are planning to do what Sony is doing with the PS Vita, and make every retail game also available on the eShop?

What's to say that Batman Arkham City and Nnija Gaiden 3 (and Max Payne 3) do not release on the eShop rather than retail? Most of the people would have bought those games on other systems and the hardcore gamers who would double dip already know about online retail. There is also the added bonus to third partys who do not have to risk retailing old games again and can just release them digitally and have pure profit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 19, 2012, 11:12:50 PM
World... Of... Warcraft.  No way Blizzard is putting that on Console.  Diablo 3 be much much more believeable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 19, 2012, 11:22:57 PM
Dear god, Nintendo is the platform holder I'd LEAST expect to fully embrace downloadable retail-size games in practice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 19, 2012, 11:28:16 PM
World... Of... Warcraft.  No way Blizzard is putting that on Console.  Diablo 3 be much much more believeable.

WOW subscriptions have been dropping quite a bit, why wouldn't they want it on Wii U too? Another $15 a month per subscriber (in addition to the cost of the initial game)? The Wii U controller makes it more app than any current console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on March 19, 2012, 11:50:04 PM
Do people still play Counter Strike?

Yup. It's the 5th and 6th most played game on Steam today.
Current   Peak Today

13,615   74,832       Counter-Strike
12,531   62,836       Counter-Strike: Source

Never underestimate gamers to continue playing a game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 20, 2012, 12:51:31 AM
Has anyone noticed my new avatar?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on March 20, 2012, 01:06:06 AM
Has anyone noticed my new avatar?

Nice lol, that reminds me of an old Mario Rap song I found back when I was in HS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SmlAWKXpqI

Anyways, back on topic, I think the WiiU can really open things up for PC games that would've never found the light of day on console to finally start making the transition.  The use of the Upad is the game changer here.  It can take the place of hotkeys on a keyboard and they can even provide a touchkeyboard too if necessary.  WoW and RTS games I think can really make the jump.  Western rpgs I believe would also fit right in with the WiiU's control setup. 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 20, 2012, 01:55:43 AM
I think the touch screen can add a lot...but unless Nintendo is doing a multi-touch screen...which I actually think Nintendo MUST DO.  Then...a touchscreen keyboard is not really that feasible. 

However, I do really like the idea of hot keys for games, and some sort of touch screen used for communication purposes...though if the Wii Umote has a microphone on it...then a hot key for communications could be all you need.  Something like a choice to talk to your team press this button...Talk to everyone press this button...Talk only to other team press this button.  Or a really cool idea would be a yell button.  Which takes what you say, and decides who can hear it by how close they are to your player...and have it fade away as your further away.  This could be a great addition to first person shooters, and can really add to the immersion of the game. 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on March 20, 2012, 02:35:09 AM
I really don't think you need a multitouch screen for a keyboard to be implemented.  I have swype on my phone and ever since I began using it, I can never go back to typing with two fingers.  I don't see why swype couldn't be used on the upad.
Title: Epic Mickey 2 3DS!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
Official Nintendo Magazine France says
Epic Mickey 2: Power of Illusion
is a 3DS game with classic 2D that will be shown off next Week
https://twitter.com/#!/NintendoMagFr/status/181793421483188226 (https://twitter.com/#!/NintendoMagFr/status/181793421483188226)
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La présentation d'Epic Mickey 2 aura lieu la semaine prochaine. Une version 3DS, Power of Illusion, plus "classique" en 2D est aussi prévue.
translated:
presentation of Epic Mickey 2 will take place next week. 3DS version, Power of Illusion, more "classic" 2D is also planned.

So who is looking forward to an EPIC Mickey 2 spin off on with 2D action the go?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 20, 2012, 09:37:07 AM
World... Of... Warcraft.  No way Blizzard is putting that on Console.  Diablo 3 be much much more believeable.

WOW subscriptions have been dropping quite a bit, why wouldn't they want it on Wii U too? Another $15 a month per subscriber (in addition to the cost of the initial game)? The Wii U controller makes it more app than any current console.
WoW really requires mods to play most effective plus in a year or two the WoW replacement will be here.  Also Diablo 3 is coming out soon (5/15/2012) and controls and what your doing wise just makes more sense.  I be very surprised to see WoW on even the Wii U.


Also what about Vent, Team Speak, Mumble, Axiom, etc...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 20, 2012, 11:34:45 AM
I'd like to see Star Wars: The Old Republic on WiiU
I'm just sayin'
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 20, 2012, 12:37:43 PM
I don't see WoW on the WiiU because I don't see Nintendo giving up control of an aspect of their system.  Blizzard likes to keep full control on their games and having to get approval from Nintendo when adding things to the game will make it nearly impossible to keep the WiiU version updated and so it would have to run on its own server completely separate from the PC version.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 20, 2012, 01:19:26 PM
In regards to Epic Mickey 2, I'm not happy it's on the 3DS.  I got nothing against the 3DS, but I do not like it when sequels to console games go to portables.  I'd rather they expand it and make it for the HD consoles including WiiU.
I wouldn't care if it was a spinoff, but it's not.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 20, 2012, 02:01:54 PM
I don't think Epic Mickey 2 moved to 3DS. I think the 3DS version is a portable, spin-off version of the console game. It seems the 3DS version has an extra subtitle. I think the console version will be mlti-platform, including WiiU. I wouldn't even be surprised to see bundles for multi-plat that include the original (maybe an HD version of it).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 20, 2012, 06:13:03 PM
I don't think Epic Mickey 2 moved to 3DS. I think the 3DS version is a portable, spin-off version of the console game. It seems the 3DS version has an extra subtitle. I think the console version will be mlti-platform, including WiiU. I wouldn't even be surprised to see bundles for multi-plat that include the original (maybe an HD version of it).

Bingo, the Twitter quote even says 3DS version[/i], meaning it's not just on the 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 20, 2012, 10:29:34 PM
Could Legacy of Kain be getting a reboot (for the Wii U)?
 
http://kotaku.com/5895038/rumor-reboot-could-make-soul-reaver-rise-from-the-grave (http://kotaku.com/5895038/rumor-reboot-could-make-soul-reaver-rise-from-the-grave)
 
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Those memories may be getting a modern-day resurrection, according to VG247. Citing "anorexic" sources, the website's reporting that dev studio Crystal Dynamics is working on an all-new iteration of its nocturnal action property. It's not clear if this will be a reboot like Tomb Raider's getting with a new version of those Kain or Raziel characters or something entirely different. The report loosely speculates on that a reveal might happen this year.

Has anyone noticed that both Ninja Gaiden 3 and Resident Evil: Operation Racoon City have gotten pretty low reviews (mostly from IGN) some where in the range of three and four out of ten. Damn, I had such high hopes of these games being on Wii U later in the year.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2012, 10:35:32 PM
Let's see... what new "rumors" can we post today?

Let's start with some random GameBlog forum post citing that he has a source that says NDA's will be lifted sometime after next week.
http://www.gameblog.fr/forum/topic/99012-le-topic-de-la-wii-u/page__st__720__p__1979609#entry1979609 (http://www.gameblog.fr/forum/topic/99012-le-topic-de-la-wii-u/page__st__720__p__1979609#entry1979609)
which makes sense considering FY2011 ends after next week. Which likely means Investor Meetings and Quarterly Financial Reports. New news will be likely to surface.


Some E3 exhibitors have surfaced from the E3 site... it's hard to get it to load now, and I'm sure this info will not be there whenever you do get it to load (maybe), but this guy has no reason to lie.
Quote from: Rösti
I noticed a few things in the [E3] floor plans, Wii U is mentioned on a number of occasions, under the following product categories:

Accessories > Nintendo Wii U

Hyperkin, Inc.
http://hyperkin.com/ (http://hyperkin.com/)

Action > Nintendo Wii U

Capcom U.S.A., Inc.
http://www.capcom.com (http://www.capcom.com)

Casual Games > Nintendo Wii U

Bigben Interactive
http://www.bigben.eu/ (http://www.bigben.eu/)

Distributor > Nintendo Wii U

GAMEWORLD DISTRIBUTORS
http://www.gameworlddistributors.com/ (http://www.gameworlddistributors.com/)

Mecca Electronic Ind. Inc.
http://www.meccaelect.com/ (http://www.meccaelect.com/)

Proximo Games LLC
http://www.proximogames.com/ (http://www.proximogames.com/)

Family/Children's Entertainment > Nintendo Wii U

Bigben Interactive

Fitness > Nintendo Wii U

Bigben Interactive

Hardware > Nintendo Wii U

Mecca Electronic Ind. Inc.

Internet Product/Service > Nintendo Wii U

Pole To Win
http://www.poletowinamerica.com/ (http://www.poletowinamerica.com/)

Manufacturing > Nintendo Wii U

LevelUp
http://www.levelupgear.com/ (http://www.levelupgear.com/)

Peripherals > Nintendo Wii U

Mecca Electronic Ind. Inc.

Retail > Nintendo Wii U

Pole To Win
Proximo Games LLC

Sports > Nintendo Wii U
Bigben Interactive

As the hub appears to be only in the starting phase, I assume much more will be added soon, or perhaps Nintendo wants to have everything under wraps. Though that wouldn't explain why Capcom is listed under "Action > Nintendo Wii U". The Pole To Win America testing group is kinda interesting as well.

http://www.mapyourshow.com/shows/index.cfm?Show_ID=E312 (http://www.mapyourshow.com/shows/index.cfm?Show_ID=E312)

and another one from IdeaMan.
Apparenty if you beat Rolling Western, it hints at a sequel. That sequel will be The Last Ranger.
Quote from: IdeaMan
Concerning the recently trademarked "The Last Ranger"

I'm sorry but it appears it won't be a fantasized J-RPG nor a dreamed of Mach Rider revival for Wii U. A contact told me that when you complete Rolling Western on 3DS and respect some parameters (maybe beating a special boss, or reach an amount of gold, i don't know), it hints toward a sequel named The Last Ranger. I think i've seen someone suggesting that this new trademark could be that, but it was just a guess without data to proof it from what i remember. If this information is true, it's a confirmation. I didn't saw it while reading all the thread pages, or on the dedicated topics.

I haven't witnessed this myself so don't know if it's true, it would be cool if someone with this game could check that.

If it's the case, then, The Last Ranger could simply be a sequel on 3DS, still on Eshop, maybe the first game was an appetizer to probe the market and the 2 will be available on retail, or it could be a future installment of this franchise on Wii U via the Nintendo Network (perhaps a double launch, for handled and home system), or we can even imagine a more ambitious action/tower-defense shipped in box for the platform.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on March 20, 2012, 10:37:21 PM
I don't know. The Japanese title of The Last Ranger makes me think more of
(http://i.imgur.com/4bmjQ.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 21, 2012, 12:31:36 AM
I don't know. The Japanese title of The Last Ranger makes me think more of
(http://i.imgur.com/4bmjQ.jpg)

Yusagi Yojimbo?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 21, 2012, 01:24:52 AM
I don't know. The Japanese title of The Last Ranger makes me think more of
(http://i.imgur.com/4bmjQ.jpg)

Usagi Yojimbo.

If an Usagi Yojimbo game was ever released...ok...scratch that if a GOOD Usagi Yojimbo game was ever released...I would be the happiest person in the world. 

The only thing that would make me happier is if a GOOD Usagi Yojimbo cartoon was created.  (The stories are already written...the style is perfect for animation...and you even have a cute way of showing death to make it less scary)  Cartoon Network do this NOW!!!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 21, 2012, 03:31:41 AM
I don't think Epic Mickey 2 moved to 3DS. I think the 3DS version is a portable, spin-off version of the console game. It seems the 3DS version has an extra subtitle. I think the console version will be mlti-platform, including WiiU. I wouldn't even be surprised to see bundles for multi-plat that include the original (maybe an HD version of it).
Yeah, I just noticed that too.  Guess I got all upset for nothing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 21, 2012, 03:41:03 AM
I don't know. The Japanese title of The Last Ranger makes me think more of
(http://i.imgur.com/4bmjQ.jpg)

Usagi Yojimbo.

If an Usagi Yojimbo game was ever released...ok...scratch that if a GOOD Usagi Yojimbo game was ever released...I would be the happiest person in the world. 

The only thing that would make me happier is if a GOOD Usagi Yojimbo cartoon was created.  (The stories are already written...the style is perfect for animation...and you even have a cute way of showing death to make it less scary)  Cartoon Network do this NOW!!!!

Wasn't he from TMNT? The comics? hehe
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 21, 2012, 03:57:44 AM
No.  He is from an independent Comic, which is amazing...much better than anything the Turtles ever did.  Written by Stan Sakai. 

At a comic convention Stan just happened to be placed by the TMNT booth and a collaboration was born, which Stan wrote a few stories with the Turtles in his book, and TMNT had Usagi in the cartoon, and I think the comic.  Stan Sakai did some awesome stuff with the Turtles treating them more like real Ninjas. 


Usagi Yojimbo is one of the longest running comic book series, that is written, drawn and inked by one guy.  Please check it out.



Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on March 21, 2012, 05:01:44 AM
No.  He is from an independent Comic, which is amazing...much better than anything the Turtles ever did.  Written by Stan Sakai. 

At a comic convention Stan just happened to be placed by the TMNT booth and a collaboration was born, which Stan wrote a few stories with the Turtles in his book, and TMNT had Usagi in the cartoon, and I think the comic.  Stan Sakai did some awesome stuff with the Turtles treating them more like real Ninjas. 


Usagi Yojimbo is one of the longest running comic book series, that is written, drawn and inked by one guy.  Please check it out.





When you say Cartoons are you referring to the 80's or 2002's? As he has appeared in both ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on March 21, 2012, 06:20:03 AM
Then he was probably referring to both?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: sebasrd27 on March 21, 2012, 08:24:36 AM
*Rumor* Wii U NDA to end on March 26th?

Quote
Some of the tightly sealed NDA's might be coming to an end on March 26th. While I'm very skeptical of the "source" of this information since this time of year always has unconfirmed sources of other sources who claim their source is a developer who knows the truth. However, if I was a developer sitting on exclusive Wii U information for nearly a full year.....
For now, at least for another week we need to wait and see what comes of this. While it's a bit frustrating to not get any confirmation of these rumors from Nintendo themselves, it's also fun to live through the experience.

Lets hope it!! Maybe next week will be nice, or maybe another week without nothing to eat XD
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 21, 2012, 09:42:26 AM
No.  He is from an independent Comic, which is amazing...much better than anything the Turtles ever did.  Written by Stan Sakai. 

At a comic convention Stan just happened to be placed by the TMNT booth and a collaboration was born, which Stan wrote a few stories with the Turtles in his book, and TMNT had Usagi in the cartoon, and I think the comic.  Stan Sakai did some awesome stuff with the Turtles treating them more like real Ninjas. 


Usagi Yojimbo is one of the longest running comic book series, that is written, drawn and inked by one guy.  Please check it out.





When you say Cartoons are you referring to the 80's or 2002's? As he has appeared in both ;)

Both.  I have seen both.  The 80s cartoon was horrible representation of him.  The 2000s cartoon was a pretty good representation...and the Space Usagi pitch that was created was pretty bad as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on March 21, 2012, 03:28:50 PM
Well going back to seeing MMO on consoles, nothing stopping you from using any usb keyboard (or even WII wireless ones) for the WII U.

 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on March 21, 2012, 04:55:23 PM
Just provide a virtual keyboard on the touchscreen with swype installed and the issue is resolved imo.  Swype is so easy to use as long as you know how to spell
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 21, 2012, 05:15:43 PM
Well going back to seeing MMO on consoles, nothing stopping you from using any usb keyboard (or even WII wireless ones) for the WII U.
Just provide a virtual keyboard on the touchscreen with swype installed and the issue is resolved imo.  Swype is so easy to use as long as you know how to spell
A lot of MMO controls require pressing more than 1 button at a time plus mods that aren't made by the company in WoW's case plus Vent, Teamspeak, Mumble, etc. if you want to progress in large group content in an effective manner plus at time clicking special on screen objects fast.

Don't get me wrong.  I think SWTOR could be adapted ok.  Though most of what we think of today as an MMO could not unless it had a console in mind already.  I do think the Wii U will allow for an MMO that is made with the console in mind to really outshine other console MMOs that have beend done before.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 21, 2012, 06:10:55 PM
as long as you know how to spell

Sadly, that seems to be too much to ask for from most young people these days.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on March 21, 2012, 07:38:12 PM
Well going back to seeing MMO on consoles, nothing stopping you from using any usb keyboard (or even WII wireless ones) for the WII U.
Just provide a virtual keyboard on the touchscreen with swype installed and the issue is resolved imo.  Swype is so easy to use as long as you know how to spell
A lot of MMO controls require pressing more than 1 button at a time plus mods that aren't made by the company in WoW's case plus Vent, Teamspeak, Mumble, etc. if you want to progress in large group content in an effective manner plus at time clicking special on screen objects fast.

Don't get me wrong.  I think SWTOR could be adapted ok.  Though most of what we think of today as an MMO could not unless it had a console in mind already.  I do think the Wii U will allow for an MMO that is made with the console in mind to really outshine other console MMOs that have beend done before.

If only there was a way for Nintendo to design some kind of, I dunno, keyboard controller. . .

*sigh* If only. . .
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 21, 2012, 09:00:28 PM
or... keyboard button combinations replaced by *wait for it*



.... *wait for it*



...icons!!!


I've never played an MMO, but I'm sure that if you really need to press combinations of buttons at the same time, they can be replaced bu a combination of buttons on the controller and icons on the touch screen.
no need to hit Shift-S for your spell book or whatever and then shift l for your lava spell when you could just touch your spell book and then tap your lava spell.

but at the same time I am also in the multi-touch uMote camp because there are lots of things that multi-touch could come in handy for.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 21, 2012, 09:58:23 PM
as long as you know how to spell

Sadly, that seems to be too much to ask for from most young people these days.

I think Pokemon Teaches Typing should be a Wii U launch title.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on March 22, 2012, 04:15:57 AM
I've never played an MMO, but I'm sure that if you really need to press combinations of buttons at the same time, they can be replaced bu a combination of buttons on the controller and icons on the touch screen.
no need to hit Shift-S for your spell book or whatever and then shift l for your lava spell when you could just touch your spell book and then tap your lava spell.

but at the same time I am also in the multi-touch uMote camp because there are lots of things that multi-touch could come in handy for.

Having played a bunch of World of Warcraft, WoW derivatives, and Korean grinders, there is a silly amount of actions and functions you can perform. Along with the ubiquitous 1-0 hot bar keys, there are all sorts of displays and menus you can access alongside the text chat. However, as with a lot of PC-centric  games, there are a lot of things you can do at any given moment but only a few things that would be meaningful in a given moment. With some smart design, the touchscreen should do just fine with a MMORPG.
Title: Retro NOT working on DK, LOZ or MP
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 22, 2012, 09:44:46 AM
According to a B3D member Li Mu Bai, they have heard that whatever Retro is working on, it is NOT DK, Metroid or Zelda, but visually it is "extrememly impressive".

which we knew it would be considering that Retro recently hired some people from (I think) Crytek and the Uncharted games on PS3.
So even though I've never played Star Tropics, I've heard great things and think a reimagining by Retro could be just what Nintendo needs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 22, 2012, 09:51:13 AM
Let's look at what I said...

Quote
... most of what we think of today as an MMO could not unless it had a console in mind already.  I do think the Wii U will allow for an MMO that is made with the console in mind to really outshine other console MMOs that have beend done before.

From BnM:

or... keyboard button combinations replaced by *wait for it*



.... *wait for it*



...icons!!!
...

Great, More Icons.  I currently have a 12 Hot Key Icons and those 12 Hot Keys are not enough when I'm tanking to use all the abilities that I use on a regular basis and the ones I need for emergency.  I have another 6 or so to the side of that.  Not to mention a lot of them I have to hit while moving.

I don't know how you would move and heal with the uMote.  The center screen would have to be dedicated to just the players in your raid in WoW.  If you made it so your heals would be smart targeted  you take away the fun of healing plus put you at a major advantage over the PC healers.

I will grant that I could make DPS work, maybe even Tanking work with some ability consolidation on Blizzards part, but healing I really couldn't do.

Back to my post.  Unless Blizzard wants to completely overhaul WoW with Mist of Pandaria, which they have already said is a clear no, they couldn't make the WiiU a true viable alternative to PC.

Quote
... most of what we think of today as an MMO could not unless it had a console in mind already.  I do think the Wii U will allow for an MMO that is made with the console in mind to really outshine other console MMOs that have beend done before.

There is no reason the WiiU can't do an MMO.  Like the Dragon Quest one.  It just that MMO needs to be designed from the ground up with the console in mind as well.  Any old Established PC Based MMO will have way to much baggage to survive being brought down to the WiiU in General.

...However, as with a lot of PC-centric  games, there are a lot of things you can do at any given moment but only a few things that would be meaningful in a given moment. With some smart design, the touchscreen should do just fine with a MMORPG.

That I agree with, but I believe this design has to occur when the game is made itself or it will not hold or feel right.

According to a B3D member Li Mu Bai, they have heard that whatever Retro is working on, it is NOT DK, Metroid or Zelda, but visually it is "extrememly impressive".

which we knew it would be considering that Retro recently hired some people from (I think) Crytek and the Uncharted games on PS3.
So even though I've never played Star Tropics, I've heard great things and think a reimagining by Retro could be just what Nintendo needs.

We could also look at Metroid Prime on the GC as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 22, 2012, 12:11:22 PM
According to a B3D member Li Mu Bai, they have heard that whatever Retro is working on, it is NOT DK, Metroid or Zelda, but visually it is "extrememly impressive".

which we knew it would be considering that Retro recently hired some people from (I think) Crytek and the Uncharted games on PS3.
So even though I've never played Star Tropics, I've heard great things and think a reimagining by Retro could be just what Nintendo needs.

After watching some vids of Star Tropics, it looks like you'd basically be working with a blank canvas if you were trying to re-imagine it. Other than walking on land, travelling by submarine and heading into caves, you're pretty much free to do what ever you want, from an artistic stand point.

So yeah, I'd be down with that. Retro re-did Metroid and even with all its precedence, made it feel fresh and new. I can't imagine what they can do when given even more freedom. It might be what Ian has been screaming for (though we all agree with him).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 22, 2012, 12:51:29 PM
According to a B3D member Li Mu Bai, they have heard that whatever Retro is working on, it is NOT DK, Metroid or Zelda, but visually it is "extrememly impressive".

which we knew it would be considering that Retro recently hired some people from (I think) Crytek and the Uncharted games on PS3.
So even though I've never played Star Tropics, I've heard great things and think a reimagining by Retro could be just what Nintendo needs.

After watching some vids of Star Tropics, it looks like you'd basically be working with a blank canvas if you were trying to re-imagine it. Other than walking on land, travelling by submarine and heading into caves, you're pretty much free to do what ever you want, from an artistic stand point.

So yeah, I'd be down with that. Retro re-did Metroid and even with all its precedence, made it feel fresh and new. I can't imagine what they can do when given even more freedom. It might be what Ian has been screaming for (though we all agree with him).
There is the Weapons (http://tartarus.rpgclassics.com/startropics/weapons.php) Yo-yo etc.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 22, 2012, 01:57:30 PM
Yeah, but were those ever necessary for exploring? Ice, Wave, etc. were all necessary, but a yo-yo that does more damage? I think you can wipe the slate clean.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 22, 2012, 02:32:43 PM
Star Tropics looks fun! Either that, Star Fox or something brand new would make me super happy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 22, 2012, 02:37:36 PM
Retro could do more with Star Fox than Star Tropics. A smaller developer could handle Star Tropics and Star Fox has the benefit of having all of Retro's talent focused on bringing backs its quality.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 22, 2012, 02:46:01 PM
That doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 22, 2012, 02:52:47 PM
That doesn't make any sense.

That was my way of saying Retro should do the next Star Fox.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 22, 2012, 03:29:06 PM
Retro could do more with Star Fox than Star Tropics. A smaller developer could handle Star Tropics and Star Fox has the benefit of having all of Retro's talent focused on bringing backs its quality.
That doesn't make any sense.
That doesn't make any sense.
That was my way of saying Retro should do the next Star Fox.
That being said I have to respectfully disagree with you there Kytim.  Star Fox is very set in what it really is at its core.  A Space on Rail Shooter.

Star Tropic on the other hand is a little more liberal at its core.  An Earthbound esque RPG.  There is a lot of room to move and fail with such a broad core concept.

Oh, and yes I think the Yo-Yo matter to the feel of the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 22, 2012, 03:35:39 PM
Retro could do more with Star Fox than Star Tropics. A smaller developer could handle Star Tropics and Star Fox has the benefit of having all of Retro's talent focused on bringing backs its quality.
Stop it, Kytim.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2012, 05:22:54 PM
Star Tropics is basically a rougher version of Zelda.  It plays less like how you would expect a Nintendo game to play and more like some third party Zelda clone that lacks polish.

There isn't much reason to bring it back.  To be "authentic" it would more or less be a Zelda clone and do we need one of those?  And if Retro is to go in some new direction for it why limit them with an old ass licence that is so obscure the only people who will recognize the name are hardcore Nintendo nuts who would by a new Retro game anyway?

It's a lot like the Kid Icarus revival.  For years everyone was asking to bring it back but a lot of them had never played the original in the first place and what does it really do that Mario and Metroid don't already do better?  The reason people were calling for it is because it is a Nintendo franchise that has fallen through the cracks.  It's a "name".  Star Tropics is also an old Nintendo "name" and the demand for its return is the same: I've never played it but Nintendo made it so it must be good.  I'm sure the Mach Rider revival movement will be next.

It's like the desire for new content mixed with the desire to stick with the familiar.  A new Star Tropics is essentially something new but it is an established IP so it's a "safe" pick.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 22, 2012, 05:29:30 PM
Not that I'm really attached to bringing back Star Tropics but your reasoning for not bringing it back is just as valid as a reason to bring it back. If it would essentially be a new IP, what's the harm in bringing it back? Fans get to have a nostalgia erection while everyone else just thinks it's new. I don't really see how anyone loses.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 22, 2012, 06:28:21 PM
Star Tropics is basically a rougher version of Zelda.  It plays less like how you would expect a Nintendo game to play and more like some third party Zelda clone that lacks polish.

Just because that's how the original was doesn't mean that's how the sequel would have to be. I am sure with Retro at the helm they could take that (or pretty much any franchise, for that matter) and make it golden. These are the guys who revived the Metroid franchise and made it popular again. Maybe Metroid wasn't quite as dead as this one, but its the same principle. It seems to be Retro's mission to take these old franchises, dust them off, and then turn them into gold.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 22, 2012, 06:49:56 PM
Not that I'm really attached to bringing back Star Tropics but your reasoning for not bringing it back is just as valid as a reason to bring it back. If it would essentially be a new IP, what's the harm in bringing it back? Fans get to have a nostalgia erection while everyone else just thinks it's new. I don't really see how anyone loses.
I agree.  It could also lead to Star Tropics and Zoda's Revenge getting released on the Virtual Console to give more of the nostalgia.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 22, 2012, 07:13:42 PM
Not that I'm really attached to bringing back Star Tropics but your reasoning for not bringing it back is just as valid as a reason to bring it back. If it would essentially be a new IP, what's the harm in bringing it back? Fans get to have a nostalgia erection while everyone else just thinks it's new. I don't really see how anyone loses.
I agree.  It could also lead to Star Tropics and Zoda's Revenge getting released on the Virtual Console to give more of the nostalgia.

Unless you're referring to the 3DS, those games are already on the Virtual Console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
Not that I'm really attached to bringing back Star Tropics but your reasoning for not bringing it back is just as valid as a reason to bring it back. If it would essentially be a new IP, what's the harm in bringing it back? Fans get to have a nostalgia erection while everyone else just thinks it's new. I don't really see how anyone loses.

The only real harm I can think of is that a completely new IP has no restrictions while an existing one forces you to go in somewhat of a familiar direction, even if it is just the setting and characters.  Of course that can be taken too far and you get something like Punch-Out!! on the Wii with it's amazing total of ONE new character.

I would prefer something completely new and most of those asking for a new Star Tropics don't even know what the hell they're asking for.  They have either never played the old games or they HAVE and fail to realize that they're either asking for a Zelda clone OR a game with virtually nothing in common with the old titles which seems rather pointless.

The whole thing just seems like a kneejerk "hey that's a name I've heard before" reaction.  If someone presented some argument about how they would like to see the story continue or how this type of gameplay could really benefit from newer hardware (3D, online, motion control, tablet) then we've got something.  I never **** on the requests for another Zelda in the style of Zelda II because those asking for it often explain why that gameplay could use another chance and demonstrate that they have actually played the game in the first place.

When Nintendo slept on Metroid for a gen the suggestions to make a new one had some meat to it.  "Metroid" wasn't just some word.  There was a large group of fans who had played the old games and had ideas for what a new version would have.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 22, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
I'm with Ian on this one.  I think the game could be done, but I would rather it be made as a 3DS Retro style game, that embraces its heritage and allows it to grow.

The only plus Nintendo and Retro could have is Star Tropics is an existing IP with a fan base, so you don't have to fit gamers to fall in love with your new IP. 

New IPs are really risky.  You can have a completely original idea, executed well...and for some reason gamers just don't take to it.  Either, the market wasn't interested in the game, or the character wasn't appealing to gamers...something just doesn't click. 

And when games are so expensive to make, risk is the last thing you want on your mind. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 23, 2012, 12:08:09 AM
If Retro managed to make the Star Tropics franchise awesome as hell and extremely popular, then one day people might look at Zelda and say that is just an inferior Star Tropics clone.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 23, 2012, 12:35:05 AM
If Retro managed to make the Star Tropics franchise awesome as hell and extremely popular, then one day people might look at Zelda and say that is just an inferior Star Tropics clone.

Zelda Wii U is going to destroy everything in its path, Chozo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on March 23, 2012, 01:01:50 AM
Not that I'm really attached to bringing back Star Tropics but your reasoning for not bringing it back is just as valid as a reason to bring it back. If it would essentially be a new IP, what's the harm in bringing it back? Fans get to have a nostalgia erection while everyone else just thinks it's new. I don't really see how anyone loses.
I agree.  It could also lead to Star Tropics and Zoda's Revenge getting released on the Virtual Console to give more of the nostalgia.

Unless you're referring to the 3DS, those games are already on the Virtual Console.
How did I not know this?  Oh yeah, I haven't turned on my Wii in over a year.  And I haven't paid any attention to VC releases for even longer. 

One of these days I will turn it back on and play Skyward Sword.  When you buy it you should play it.  That's what I've heard.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 23, 2012, 01:05:04 AM
LOL, both were released on the VC way back in 2008.
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Post by: Sarail on March 23, 2012, 01:06:58 AM
I think you guys are crazy. Nintendo is sitting right freaking on top of its own Uncharted franchise with Star Tropics.

The ONLY aspect that needs to be retained from the original two games is the notion of room-to-room puzzle solving. Guess what current-gen franchise does this, and has been doing this incredibly well? Yep, Uncharted.

As for weapons and magic, give Mike a modified, current-day yo-yo like type weapon, a baseball bat, and some fire magic, and you're all set. Or just screw it all, and let Mike fight with whatever objects he finds in the environment. That could work, too. But you gotta keep it zany in a semi-realistic world with not-so-realistic monsters.

Those are really the two things that matter most for Star Tropics. But the weapons, not so much. There's free reign there. Remember, Mike even gets laster blaster type guns near the end of the first Star Tropics. Really.. anything goes. :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: sebasrd27 on March 23, 2012, 02:36:32 PM
Ideaman on Neogaf:


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Expect a tiny bit of info (not a wall of text this time, maybe 2 or 3 sentences) regarding the dev kits, soon :p


I will be following his posts and share the new info when it comes. Hopefully in a pair of days...
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Post by: Louieturkey on March 23, 2012, 02:49:48 PM
I'm anticipating more info on dev kits.  It's more stuff to build up the hype train!
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Post by: Snake-Arms on March 23, 2012, 03:15:44 PM
I just watched some Star Tropics videos for the first time (the game was a little before my time) and it looks like a LoZ/Earthbound mesh.  Witch is amazing.  I'm gonna buy it from VC right now.
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Post by: sebasrd27 on March 23, 2012, 05:11:38 PM
Vigil declarations about Darksider 2 WiiU version:


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"Visually, for the most part, It will be pretty much the same... You know, so far the hardware it´s been on par with what we have on the current generation"


WTF??? WiiU the same to PS3/360? I wish not, but those words scared me...  :-[ :-[
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Post by: bustin98 on March 23, 2012, 05:19:57 PM
The key is 'so far'... Meaning it could change. Like they are going to say anything before E3.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 23, 2012, 09:38:41 PM
most of those asking for a new Star Tropics don't even know what the hell they're asking for. ...they're either asking for a Zelda clone
Is Donkey Kong Country a Mario clone? Is Wario Land a Mario clone? Is Kirby a Mario clone? All those series have their differences from Mario that make then unique, just like how StarTropics has its differences from Zelda.

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Post by: Luigi Dude on March 23, 2012, 11:36:06 PM
Vigil declarations about Darksider 2 WiiU version:


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"Visually, for the most part, It will be pretty much the same... You know, so far the hardware it´s been on par with what we have on the current generation"


WTF??? WiiU the same to PS3/360? I wish not, but those words scared me...  :-[ :-[

Its a third party port, of course it's going to look the same.  Like I've said before, people shouldn't be expecting much from third parties since they just want to port their games as quickly and cheaply as possible.  The only Wii U games that will truly show what the console is capable of will be Nintendo's own games and that's it.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 23, 2012, 11:38:20 PM
And haven't almost every other developer been saying how much more powerful the Wii U is compared to current gen systems? I am sure developers putting more effort in will get better results. Remember than some of the Xbox 360 games looked practically the same as the original Xbox versions (like Tony Hawk's American Wasteland).
Title: Regional Nintendo's want change U too!!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2012, 12:35:50 AM
I'm sure everyone remembers this:  Nintendo renaming the Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg716335#msg716335)
http://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1217316p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1217316p1.html)

According to IGN there is a rumor going about that Nintendo is considering renaming the Wii U. 

and we all know that gamers around here (and all over) have been quite vocal about wanting a name change for the Wii U

we also know that Nintendo has been having issues getting the proper trademarks for Wii U in several countries outside of Japan:
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=36953.0 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=36953.0)

but today we hear that Regional branches of Nintendo have all been requesting a name change too
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/analysis-nintendo-3ds-one-year-on/093295 (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/analysis-nintendo-3ds-one-year-on/093295)
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“Labelling 3DS a ‘headache machine’ was textbook scaremongering. The real problems Nintendo needs to learn from were the ludicrous pricing and the confusion between DS and 3DS. 3DS followed four iterations of DS – it was all too easy to mistake it for a fifth. No wonder we hear rumblings about regional Nintendo offices wanting to change Wii U’s name.




So is it possible that Nintendo could actually be considering a name change for their next generation HD Wii successor?
Title: New 3DS Firmware Update Incoming?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2012, 12:38:47 AM
New 3DS Firmware Update Incoming?
with lots of new features on the way...?
http://gamegaz.com/201203247322/ (http://gamegaz.com/201203247322/)
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* Ability to access Nintendo eShop account from other internet enabled devices including computers and smartphones.

* This system update will allow users to take pictures of QR codes with the 3DS from the other device’s screen to redeem purchased content.

* This update will add the application "Nintendo Network" to the 3DS.

* Ability to update physical Nintendo 3DS Games via Nintendo Shop (DLC feature).

* A "Game Preview" Mode for the Nintendo 3DS system Nintendo Shop.

* Enhances the speed of the handheld.

* Increases the system security with automatic security updates.

* Nintendo Zone will be automatically added to European 3DS owners.

sounds good to me. Update away!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 24, 2012, 01:02:39 AM
So if I understand this correctly, if it is true, it would allow for developers to add DLC to their 3DS game even if it may not have been programmed with it from the start?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 24, 2012, 01:19:12 AM
I have no doubt 3DS sales were hurt by a lot of people thinking it was just another revision of the DS. It looks very similar to the DS, and the name doesn't do much to distinguish it as a new system either. People probably just assumed it was the same old DS they already had, but with 3D tacked onto it, and maybe they didn't realize it was a lot more powerful and broke software compatibility.

That's good enough reason for the Wii U name to be changed. Of course, I also just don't like the name and would give anything for Nintendo to change it to something cooler, but putting that aside it still needs to be changed just for the sake of not confusing consumers into thinking its just a Wii revision with HD tacked on.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 24, 2012, 01:25:08 AM
I think proper branding and ads can take care of the confusion. People didn't think Xbox 360 was just a re-modeled Xbox even though it could be based on the name.
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 24, 2012, 05:01:06 PM
I wonder what they would re-name it? Nintendo eXpress? Nintendo Abomb? :p Nintendo Fusion? Nintendo Live? NES2? Super Nintendo power to the 9th degree?
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Post by: Caliban on March 24, 2012, 05:10:01 PM
Anything goes, as long as it's not called Super Wii.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 24, 2012, 05:56:02 PM
I see other forums exploding with cries regarding that latest Darksiders 2 statement. I don't know over all how poweful the Wii U will be but I am super confident in my UE4 source. If the Wii U can't run that next gen only engine I will hang my head in shame and never post on these forums again!

Hahaha, like its some real life changing consequence.
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Post by: Mannypon on March 24, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
I would still love for them to go with nintendo stream.  I think it goes perfectly with what could possibly be one if its biggest selling points. 
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 24, 2012, 06:32:42 PM
You know, Nintendoworldreport.com shows up #6 when you search Wii U on Google. That's really good positioning. I don't know if it's organic or we have Megabyte to thank for SEO, but It's currently in this web site's best interest that the name remain Wii U.

That Vigil/Darksiders thread on GAF is bogus. The article it points to is from June 2011.

I don't think people realize we are seeing diminishing returns with each console generation. The leap from SNES to N64 was bigger than the leap from N64 to Gamecube, and so on.

I don't expect the Next Xbox or PS4 to look extremely better than their predecessors. 10 times the RAM and CPU doesn't mean the games are 10 times better looking.
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Post by: MegaByte on March 24, 2012, 06:35:04 PM
I think those are personalized results. See if it looks the same when you're logged out of Google.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 24, 2012, 06:42:08 PM
I was curious, and googled Wii U without being signed in. NWR doesn't show up until page 11.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 24, 2012, 06:46:41 PM
Dang it, you can't trust Google page ranking anymore!
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Post by: sebasrd27 on March 26, 2012, 06:16:30 PM
New info!! Posted by Ideaman on GAF:

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A news concerning the dev kits, as promisedThird-party studios will receive the "v5" dev kits very soon (before the next month). It's even possible that some just got them- They are apparently the dev kits which where in possession of Nintendo lately (whereas third-parties had the V4).

There is a noticeable increase of performances with them, a noticeable but not huge however. We don't know if this amelioration is due to a change of components, tweaking of the previously present ones (frequencies, etc.), or a global & light optimization of the hardware, the dev kit itself, the software development kit that may be linked to it, etc.

Some details about the context and assumptions:- Except maybe big japanese studios (like Capcom), i doubt that other third-parties received these dev kits (much) earlier. It's likely that my sources are one of the firsts to be granted of the latest revisions. This means that all the declarations, the news, from foreign developers, that you've read until now, were in a V4 dev kit context, before the release of these newest ones.
- A previous post of lherre indicated that Nintendo guys were testing an engine and saw slightly improved results on the V5 compare to V4.

Context: it was posted 1 month ago, when lherre decided to come out of his lair in answer to my very first message to confirm that Wii U was clearly closer to "2x than 5x xbox360". And he basically added that the expected more advanced dev kit in Nintendo headquarters at the time that i've talked about will not change dramatically the Wii U power status. So he surely knew of these engine benchmarks before my intervention, maybe some days, maybe some weeks.


Assumption: considering the 1month+ interval between these internal tests and the V5 delivery to third-parties (minus the dev kits assembly and shipping), there's a chance that the V5 dev kits in the hands of foreign studios have received even more hardware refinements and optimizations than the models used for these Nintendo tests some time before.- They could have a different code name, but my sources called them V5, as in "the ones following the V4 that they currently develop on".

Therefore, it appears they are a rather major revision.[Now, a detail that could be important, but i'm not sure at all of it, as what my sources told me isn't clear and rely on subjectivity (maybe they didn't understand well what Nintendo said). Take that with caution, and it would be cool if a developer working on the Wii U could precise this.

- It seems these kits may be "near final"Maybe Nintendo still have more advanced dev kits, but apparently not to a point to constitute a real new future revision (perhaps just small increments in numbers like 5.1/5.2). There may be new dev kit shippings to come but it could point that there is a progressive stabilization in hardware changes.

It could also be a word-confusion from my sources between "last" and "latest", or maybe Nintendo thought that when i gathered these infos (a few weeks) but in fact there will be new revisions in the work because they decided to modify the components again, etc.

So big grain of salt for this part]I hope we'll hear more about these dev kits, what kind of modifications occurred on them, and their performances.


It seems WiiU could be something between x2-x5 more powerfull than Xbox360. I think it will be around x3, or x3.5, and I will be happy whit that!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 26, 2012, 06:26:09 PM
Hmm, so ideaman is saying that the size=78%.
Veddy Interestink...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2012, 06:34:40 PM
Hmm, with this thing launching in 2012 and probably over $300, I was hoping for a more substantial leap over 360/PS3. If x2 is the minimum expectation, that's probably the more likely end result. I suppose we'll see.
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Post by: sebasrd27 on March 26, 2012, 06:38:34 PM
Another quote from him:


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And for your conclusions about the hardware, really, don't expect too much from it, but don't be disappointed in advance. From all i've heard, the guts aren't on par with current gen at all, and there's so much room for improvements, optimizations, and potential stretching of the Wii U capabilities that you'll say wow many times in front of your screen (for first-party titles in the first place obviously). I bet a video of myself running disguised as a Nintendo character in a Paris street by night that it will be the case :p
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 26, 2012, 06:58:37 PM
Wait, so he's saying the guts aren't even current gen but we'll still be wowed?  Is he optimistic or pessimistic?  Anyone else confused?  Is this good or bad?
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 26, 2012, 07:18:49 PM
yeah, what Ian said
As one of my old  profs used to say "Is this a happy story or a sad story?"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 26, 2012, 08:43:23 PM
And it starts again.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on March 26, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
Wait, so he's saying the guts aren't even current gen but we'll still be wowed?  Is he optimistic or pessimistic?  Anyone else confused?  Is this good or bad?

I think he means the hardware is more advance then the current systems, hence why it's not on par because it's on a higher level then them.  This is why we'll be wowed since the the graphics will be better looking then the current systems.

Of course I'd still only expecting Nintendo's own games to look better and truly wow people since I doubt third parties will be putting much effort in their Wii U ports, even if the Wii U is significantly more powerful.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 26, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
Luigi Dude:  Actually, that may be what he meant to say, but that isn't what he actually said.

I think what is more than likely what he meant to say is something along the lines of this:  The Nintendo Wii U is more powerful than the current generation, but it isn't as large as a jump as you would expect for next generation hardware, but when you see the system games customized for the system you will be WOWED. 

This means to me, that while we will get a nice new system and it will be more advanced than current generation, the system will likely be underwhelming when looking at the Xbox 720 and PS4. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 26, 2012, 10:13:38 PM
Is a 2-3x leap over the PS360 good enough for the Wii U? Apparently the Wii was a 2-3x leap over the Gamecube, which would seem respectable, but everyone slammed it as not being good enough.
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Post by: Caliban on March 26, 2012, 10:48:49 PM
Another quote from him:


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And for your conclusions about the hardware, really, don't expect too much from it, but don't be disappointed in advance. From all i've heard, the guts aren't on par with current gen at all, and there's so much room for improvements, optimizations, and potential stretching of the Wii U capabilities that you'll say wow many times in front of your screen (for first-party titles in the first place obviously). I bet a video of myself running disguised as a Nintendo character in a Paris street by night that it will be the case :p

This IdeaMan (he's French, so it's normal for there to be some mishaps in the translation he makes) edited his post to:

"And for your conclusions about the hardware, really, don't expect too much from it, but don't be disappointed in advance. From all i've heard, the guts aren't on par with current gen at all (edit: "aren't on part with current gen at all" = "they aren't just on par, they are superior"), and there's so much room for improvements, optimizations, and potential stretching of the Wii U capabilities that you'll say wow many times in front of your screen (for first-party titles in the first place obviously). I bet a video of myself running disguised as a Nintendo character in a Paris street by night that it will be the case :p"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2012, 11:42:37 PM
Will you guys do me a favor and not hang on his every word. There is a reason why I haven't posted all his comments here... alot of it is regurgitated info we've already heard before just re-presented to us with new wrapping paper.
Alot of what he says is purposely vague as to not draw a line in the sand and most of the rest of it is info already talked about by other sources but he so conveniently wrapped up into one neat litte post with a pretty bow on top.

Now I'm not saying he doesn't know stuff or people, it's just that alot of what he shares isn't exactly new and/or unknown(to those of us that have been paying attention to the right places since the beginning).

But you can tell he definitely did journalism at some point, because he sure knows how to milk the hell out of the info he decides to share. And I'm not saying that he is attention whoring or anything of the sort.... but when he makes announcements that he is going to make an announcement and that he would do it now but it's too late in the day to type that out, but spent 200 words just to tell us that... it makes it hard not to think that that is exactly what he is doing.


But besides him telling us that the newest version of the devkits "V5" are going out to the devs and that they may be "near final", and that the Wii U is more powerful than PS360 (all stuff that has been talked about before) did he say anything that wasn't already known and/or speculated about?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on March 27, 2012, 12:03:44 AM
I've been waiting for the BnM/Caterkiller newscast. I don't usually read neogaf... I was just bored.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 27, 2012, 12:43:59 AM
BnM has a point, but unfortunately regurgitated info is pretty much all we have to go on until E3. Its either that or nothing at all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on March 27, 2012, 12:52:31 AM
Weren't some sort of NDAs supposed to be up today? Should we start hearing more bits of information starting tomorrow?

Holy crap, I'm all too excited.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 27, 2012, 12:54:56 AM
I think that was just a rumor, though I would love to get any new info.
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Post by: Mannypon on March 27, 2012, 01:04:51 AM
Well I have been seeing a lot of stories up on various sites about Assassin's Creed 3 so maybe those NDA were in reference to that game.  Nothing major has come out regarding Ass Creed 3 but lil tidbits about how the Upad will be used.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 27, 2012, 01:10:51 AM
No reputable news site would announce when the NDAs are up, so we're relying on the rumor. If anything, we'll see some posts in the morning. If they're not rolling out by noon, fahgettabowtit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 27, 2012, 01:13:33 AM
Well, major sites sometimes say when NDA's about game reviews are up. I expect they wouldn't do that about a new system though.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2012, 01:15:20 AM
If NDA's were to end, I really don't think it would be until next week after FY2011 has officially ended and Investor Meetings are held and Financial Reports are presented. And even then, it would likely only be a limited lift of the NDA preventing screenshots and/or any actual detail from being shared.

But I would love for a big leak to happen overnight.
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Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2012, 01:34:13 AM
I think the only big thing ideaman did is to change the tone of speculation on RAM. I think people were all talking 768 MB or 1 GB before he chimed in, and now even pessimists like me seem to be dreaming of 2 GB.

I'm pretty confident that Wii U games will be gorgeous given the fact that the Zelda and Bird E3 2011 demos were hands-on and on such early hardware. The question is how future proof the console will be, and on that point I'm perfectly willing to be cautious. Frankly, I'm returning to the idea of the Wii U as a true generational stopgap, with maybe major noncompatible engines emerging as soon as 1 to 2 years after its release.

I just get the feeling graphical tech is really expensive to push right now, and that major investments are necessary to get to what hardcore graphics afficionados are aiming for, as well as much later launch dates. I expect Nintendo to invest enough to catch up, but not to break through whatever barriers are still holding us back, especially if they launch this year instead of waiting for graphical tech to work some things out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on March 27, 2012, 01:43:37 AM
But current rumors sudjest that WiiU is capable of running Unreal Engine 4.  If it can do that then I think it'll be future proof in regards to this upcoming generation.  Unreal Engine 4 is still a few years away from becoming the norm based off what I've been reading so I think Nintendo will be fine as long as they reach the minimum requirement for future engines. 
 
As others have said though, eventually, a limit will have to be reached as the industry cannot continue this trend towards high end graphics IMO.  Sure EA and its equals will be fine but all middle and lower end developers will either close down, be bought up, or move to digital releases and or mobile games.  That would be disastrous in my eyes.  Hopefully all the low and middle line developers can find a home on the WiiU if the other 2 become to expensive to develop for. 
 
Basically it looks like its 2 apposing views to game development clashing.  The western studios are all about high end specs whereas Japan is still taking a more modest approach.  Eventually common ground will have to be reached as both extremes cannot become the standard.  Although I do see Japan's modest approach feeding into and building on the transition to strictly handheld gaming that seems to be happening over there.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 27, 2012, 01:47:29 AM
Check out these videos:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceIyXRPUaYE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceIyXRPUaYE)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VmGsD8EddI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VmGsD8EddI)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2012, 01:57:18 AM
I think the only big thing ideaman did is to change the tone of speculation on RAM. I think people were all talking 768 MB or 1 GB before he chimed in, and now even pessimists like me seem to be dreaming of 2 GB.

Nope. lherre, the dev that Ideaman claims "half validates" him, is the one that provided this rumor: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg706351#msg706351

he was talking about the ram being more than 1GB and possibly 1.5GB or so way before Ideaman came into the picture.

The only thing Ideaman has said that hasn't been said before so far is that the Wii U is topping out at 720p with heavy uMote usage, there there an SDK and an Hardware Dev kits and that they are on different versions and that The Last Ranger is a sequel to Dillon's Rolling Western. Everything else is something that has already been said by someone else. Ideaman just used a lot of words to vaguely tell it to you again.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 27, 2012, 02:02:01 AM
I think I have an exclusive tidbit about an upcoming video game (probably not something to get excited over), but I don't know if it's coming to Wii U. Do we have a general gaming rumor thread?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2012, 02:04:04 AM
I remember reading rumors a while back that a lot of Japanese midsize developers were targeting both Vita and Wii U releases because they couldn't afford anything higher. If true, I'm excited to see what sort of quirky out-there Japanese games the Wii U will get!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2012, 02:06:54 AM
I think I have an exclusive tidbit about an upcoming video game (probably not something to get excited over), but I don't know if it's coming to Wii U. Do we have a general gaming rumor thread?

Just post it here.
adding a "could it be coming to Wii U too!?" for a little bit of speculative flare couldn't hurt either.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 27, 2012, 02:07:07 AM
I remember reading rumors a while back that a lot of Japanese midsize developers were targeting both Vita and Wii U releases because they couldn't afford anything higher. If true, I'm excited to see what sort of quirky out-there Japanese games the Wii U will get!

Atlus don't fail us now!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on March 27, 2012, 02:11:02 AM
As you know, the movie Expendables 2 is coming out this year. There is an Expendables video game in production and it will feature voice work by the movie cast. How do I know this? The author of the Expendable's comic book is writing the dialog.

...could it be coming to the Wii U too?!?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2012, 02:11:52 AM
He was talking about the ram being more than 1GB and possibly 1.5GB or so way before Ideaman came into the picture.

Yeah, but I think it was some uber vague Ideaman comments that all of a sudden shifted the conversation into the 2+ GB range.

But I totally see what you're saying. For all intents and purposes, the guy is 100% unconfirmed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 27, 2012, 02:20:41 AM
I remember reading rumors a while back that a lot of Japanese midsize developers were targeting both Vita and Wii U releases because they couldn't afford anything higher. If true, I'm excited to see what sort of quirky out-there Japanese games the Wii U will get!

There are a bunch of third party Vita games that I hope gets ported to the Wii U. Namely any any game developed by Vanillaware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2012, 02:26:16 AM
Right now, I hope PSO 2 gets ported from Vita to Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 27, 2012, 02:32:47 AM
It would pretty much cripple the Vita if the Wii U and 3DS got the same third party games. The Wii U is basically a handheld console too, so whatever games that the 3DS could not handle then they could get ported to the Wii U from the Vita.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2012, 02:37:28 AM

He was talking about the ram being more than 1GB and possibly 1.5GB or so way before Ideaman came into the picture.

Yeah, but I think it was some uber vague Ideaman comments that all of a sudden shifted the conversation into the 2+ GB range.

But I totally see what you're saying. For all intents and purposes, the guy is 100% unconfirmed.

and for the record, lherre was saying that the Dev kits have atleast 2GB of RAM in them. and since the dev kits are usually double the RAM (excluding the 360 until sometime long after the 360 release), which would mean that the retail unit was all but guaranteed to have atleast 1GB minimum but more likely closer to 1.5GB or more.

ideaman was also talking about dev kits when he was talking about 2GB+.

trust me when I say that all of his post have been purposely vague and overly wordy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2012, 02:53:44 AM
I'm not disputing the vagueness of his posts. I personally just think that if not for him, we wouldn't have seen the momentary burst of speculation at or above 2 GB that we saw.

Personally, I'm starting to re-acclimate myself to a much more modest target. But I do wonder how having two screens that will require graphics will affect some other aspects of the hardware in ways that single-screen console technologies haven't had to worry about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 27, 2012, 03:12:50 AM
The Wii U is basically a handheld console too

How do you figure? You still need to have the system on and plugged into the tv (even if someone else is using it), and you can't go too far from the system because the controller needs to be able to communicate with it. The closest it gets to being handheld is some more simplistic games can be played on the controller. And only if you are like maybe 30 feet from the console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on March 27, 2012, 03:16:56 AM
Right now, I hope PSO 2 gets ported from Vita to Wii U.

If Sega gets to run or have access to their own network on the Wii U, then it's a possibility. News today have stated that Phantasy Star Online 2 will be a free-to-play game (http://www.gamespot.com/news/phantasy-star-online-2-will-be-free-to-play-6368061) (with a cash shop) and looking at early summer for the PC release and 2013 for the Vita version. The PC and Vita version will be played on the same server. If Sonic Team is confident that the Vita has enough control inputs to match PSO2, then I hope they consider a Wii U version too! Also, I hope Nintendo lets Sega run the free-to-play game somehow.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 27, 2012, 03:30:52 AM
The Wii U is basically a handheld console too

How do you figure? You still need to have the system on and plugged into the tv (even if someone else is using it), and you can't go too far from the system because the controller needs to be able to communicate with it. The closest it gets to being handheld is some more simplistic games can be played on the controller. And only if you are like maybe 30 feet from the console.

Correction: It will be like a handheld in its own speciel way.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2012, 03:31:15 AM
The Wii U is basically a handheld console too

How do you figure? You still need to have the system on and plugged into the tv (even if someone else is using it), and you can't go too far from the system because the controller needs to be able to communicate with it. The closest it gets to being handheld is some more simplistic games can be played on the controller. And only if you are like maybe 30 feet from the console.

wrong.

you need the system to be plugged in and near by, but if it delivers like Nintendo said, you shouldn't need a TV at all. If the games are devved anything like DSII where they got the game up and running on the uMote in a matter minutes, then it really is like a portable home console in the sense that you can use in anywhere in the house (within range of the base) and never need to turn the TV on.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 27, 2012, 04:03:19 AM
Please read my post again, I never said the tv needed to be on. I said the system needed to be plugged into the tv. And it's hardly a portable system when the Wii U needs to still be on and you can't go too far from it (in addition to the limitations as to what games can be streamed to it).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2012, 06:15:24 AM
I wonder if the Wii U really does need to be plugged into the TV. I mean, I can't see why it can't still work without any AV cables tethered to it. The tablet controller would just act as the main screen 100% of the time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2012, 06:18:35 AM
I'm sooo game for turn-based strategy games on the Wii U Controller now!

portable home console

Did you just coin a new phrase?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 27, 2012, 08:37:26 AM
I'm sure the WiiU won't need to be plugged into a TV (at least not for all games). The main menu when you turn on the console should be displayed when on the Umote too, then it's up to the games you're playing as to whether or not you need a TV at all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on March 27, 2012, 09:24:44 AM
Actually most games have the WII U remote as an inventory screen/map ect meaning the main game is still on the big screen without all the menus/hud so you wouldn't be able to play any of them. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2012, 09:27:15 AM
Please read my post again, I never said the tv needed to be on. I said the system needed to be plugged into the tv.
wrong.

you need the system to be plugged in and near by, but if it delivers like Nintendo said, you shouldn't need a TV at all.
I read your post right the first time ;)


Actually most games have the WII U remote as an inventory screen/map ect meaning the main game is still on the big screen without all the menus/hud so you wouldn't be able to play any of them. 
I'm sure that lots of games will be playable the same way as it's PS360 counterpart on just the tablet too. There may be a few Wii U exclusives that rely heavily on the use of a second screen and can't be played without it, but I could see  a majority of titles having a "tablet only" mode too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on March 27, 2012, 11:05:06 AM
I just wondered something.  If a player ops for striclty Upad play, without the TV, would Nintendo, or any developer, be able to up the framerate to 60 frames then?  This would be similar to how some 3ds games run smoother when you turn 3d off.  The WiiU will now just have to display 1 image at 480p, that should make it a cakewalk no matter how much graphic effects are being shown.  It should easily be able to run smoother.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 27, 2012, 11:13:06 AM
What if there was a way to reverse the display outputs so that what was meant to be displayed on the TV gets displayed on the Upad and what was meant for the Upad goes to the TV? Wouldn't that be weird to have the entire game world in the palm of your hands, and then on your big ass tv screen there is some little character or something that was supposed to be on the tiny screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2012, 01:18:18 PM
I just wondered something.  If a player ops for striclty Upad play, without the TV, would Nintendo, or any developer, be able to up the framerate to 60 frames then?  This would be similar to how some 3ds games run smoother when you turn 3d off.  The WiiU will now just have to display 1 image at 480p, that should make it a cakewalk no matter how much graphic effects are being shown.  It should easily be able to run smoother.

I think that will depend on what their streaming tech is capable of.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 27, 2012, 01:57:32 PM
I would imagine that Nintendo would be aiming to release some dual screen games where you use both the TV and tablet at the same time, like a DS game.  In that case just using the tablet isn't going to work.  And if it's going to be normal for games to only display on the tablet, what is the point?  Why are you making me buy an expensive controller to play a game that only uses one screen when I would rather view it on my TV and can use the Wii remote to simulate the touchscreen?  If the games only use one screen than the user should get to pick which screen they want to view it on.  But in that case they also don't NEED the tablet and therefore it should up to the consumer to decide if they want to pay for it or not depending on how they would prefer to play.

Dual screen is going to be a big thing I think.  If it's just about playing the home console away from the TV then it might as well be a portable.  Nintendo has been all over this dual screen thing since Gamecube/GBA connectivity.

I don't think the market for a large handheld that can't be taken out of the house is very large so that isn't going to be the focus (or at least shouldn't be the focus).  The iPad is different because you can take it ANYWHERE.  It isn't tethered like the Wii U.  A tethered iPad is a pretty restrictive idea.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on March 27, 2012, 04:11:01 PM
Who takes their iPads out of their house?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 27, 2012, 04:28:32 PM
Who takes their iPads out of their house?

I do sometimes. An iPad with cellular data is the greatest thing ever on a long car ride. I don't carry it around everywhere like I do my iPhone and 3DS, but I regularly take it with me places when I think I'll have a use for it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on March 27, 2012, 04:30:51 PM
Really? I've never seen that before. I always thought people used them as their laptop replacement.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on March 27, 2012, 04:57:37 PM
Who takes their iPads out of their house?

All I ever see out here in California is people walking around with their ipads. Big show offy jerks!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 27, 2012, 05:18:34 PM
Really? I've never seen that before. I always thought people used them as their laptop replacement.

You don't take a laptop out of the house?  Am I so freakin' old?  I remember when the whole marketing behind laptops was that you could take a computer on vacation or on a business trip.  The mere purpose of moving it to different rooms of your house was never really focused on.

But I see people in public with both laptops and iPads all the time.  They're not permantly affixed to it like they are to their phones but they're out there.  It can be as simple as going to a friend's house and bringing it with you.  In that use is the Wii U any more convenient than every other videogame console in existence?  If you have to go gather up the main unit and plug it in at your destination, then you're doing the same thing you do now with a Wii.  Part of the appeal of a tablet or laptop is that you just pick it up and go (maybe grab a power cord).  You don't even have to turn it off.

I should also point out that single people who never have to share the TV don't really have that much use for a second screen that is purely for not tying up the TV.  The appeal of that is more for families or couples that apparently live in 1987 and only have one TV.  Yes the family demographic is large but it isn't enough to sell a whole videogame system primarily on this concept.  And if this issue that a videogame console ties up the TV is such a dealbreaker for someone couldn't they have bought a DS or 3DS?  Nintendo (if they're not completely nuts) is going to sell the interaction between the two screens and the ability to use a touchscreen on a console and this "leave the room" stuff will be secondary, particularly since Nintendo has already been selling the solution to this "problem" since 1989.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on March 27, 2012, 06:43:38 PM
I take my laptop to school when I need to write a paper. But that's about it. The draw behind my laptop is not being confined to a desk. At my house.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 27, 2012, 07:09:30 PM
True,

Nintendo has been flirting with dual screen gaming and how to make the most of these games for awhile.  Zelda and Pacman vs, are just a few elements. 

If Nintendo could get 2 player Wii tablet play, that can go really far into making an engaging game.  If Nintendo can figure out how to do it with 4 players, that could make an amazing party game. 

I hope Mario Party Wii U goes this route....I think it would be fun, and even if they drop the resolution to get those results it would be worth it. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on March 27, 2012, 07:09:48 PM
more of a desktop guy myself, you can get more power for cheaper that way. Also i hate laptop keyboards. Sure i could use a usb keyboard but it'd be on a desk in that situation anyways. I would buy a tablet to do what most people do with their laptops when they eventually have fully featured OS' (hopefully Windows 8 tablets will turn out well) with that said i hope the internet browser is at least decent on the wii U, with the wiiU tablet it could be the first actually useful console browser.

I should also point out that single people who never have to share the TV don't really have that much use for a second screen that is purely for not tying up the TV.  The appeal of that is more for families or couples that apparently live in 1987 and only have one TV.  Yes the family demographic is large but it isn't enough to sell a whole videogame system primarily on this concept.  And if this issue that a videogame console ties up the TV is such a dealbreaker for someone couldn't they have bought a DS or 3DS?  Nintendo (if they're not completely nuts) is going to sell the interaction between the two screens and the ability to use a touchscreen on a console and this "leave the room" stuff will be secondary, particularly since Nintendo has already been selling the solution to this "problem" since 1989.

Also this. Although the not hogging the tv part could be useful for RPG grinding at least. oh wait on second thought this is more of a problem in the japanese market since housing is generally smaller and i don't think a lot of people have more than 1 tv there.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 27, 2012, 10:01:45 PM
Well, most families have two TVs in the house, but usually one is in the living room, and the other is in the parent's room, unless they have two living rooms.  So the Wii U tablet is still useful.  Also, if you only have two TVs...you can still let one child watch a movie and the other play a game.  There are uses.

Also, I am now a laptop person...I don't need that much power for my computer....and I like that laptops are less cluttered, and more self contained.  I do take my laptop out sometimes, but not always.  I just think in this day and age...I only need one computer.  So I should make it a laptop so that if I need portability I have it.  Options are good.

The same with the WiiU...even if you don't need the screen in your house...options are good.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on March 27, 2012, 10:36:05 PM
Not that we'd ever see it...

But imagine an app that lets you connect your phone to your WiiPad via Bluetooth.  Then, via your cell connection, over the internet, to your WiiU.  Then, playing VC games and other Pad-only games in the car. :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2012, 10:37:43 PM
Not that we'd ever see it...

But imagine an app that lets you connect your phone to your WiiPad via Bluetooth.  Then, via your cell connection, over the internet, to your WiiU.  Then, playing VC games and other Pad-only games in the car. :D

HOMEBREW!!  HOMEBREW!!  HOMEBREW!!  HOMEBREW!!  HOMEBREW!!  HOMEBREW!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 27, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
If you think about it the whole dual screen concept is as weird as the N64 controller. The N64 controller was designed in such a way that unless you were an alien with three hands you could only use it in a certain way at a time, and that's how it is with the dual screen thing as well. Even though we have two eyes, they can only focus on one screen at a time. So glancing back and forth is necessary. I'm not saying its problematic, but it requires additional attention/effort than a single screen would.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 27, 2012, 11:33:42 PM
Two screens is easier to handle with the DS/3DS because you could really look at both screens at the same time. That is a lot different than the Wii U (unless you are holding the Wii U controller up so it's parallel to the TV).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 28, 2012, 02:53:01 AM
It's not that hard. I'll bet most of us have done a lot of grinding in Gameboy/DS RPGs while watching TV. A lot of people text or check facebook while in front of the television so I don't see it being that big of a hurdle.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 28, 2012, 03:44:15 AM
It's not that hard. I'll bet most of us have done a lot of grinding in Gameboy/DS RPGs while watching TV. A lot of people text or check facebook while in front of the television so I don't see it being that big of a hurdle.

This right here. I watch my wife's favorite shows with her while playing either Mario Kart online or grinding away in Pokemon. It's already built into us all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: sebasrd27 on March 28, 2012, 08:59:49 AM
Han Randhawa, Darksiders 2 art director:
Quote
"There is not much I can really talk about right now, but I think that the Wii U is a pretty powerful machine, which obviously means more resources, and means you can do a lot more. So the Wii U team is doing very well, we've been working with Nintendo and I think it's going to be a very exciting version of Darksiders but we want to keep the overall theme relatively consistent."



Vigil contradictions everywhere!  ::) ::)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 28, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
True...we are used to passively looking at one screen and using another.  As long as one screen is more passively used then it will be very easy.

It is when both screens must be used ACTIVELY, that will make it difficult.  It also depends on the type of game you are playing obviously, a game like Pokemon can be played somewhat more passively. 

It is definitely a hurdle to look into, but I think very few games will use both screens actively...it is hardly done even on the DS and 3DS. 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on March 28, 2012, 07:14:04 PM
All this dual-screen talk makes me want Kirby's Tilt N Tumble to make a comeback.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on March 28, 2012, 08:00:44 PM
It is when both screens must be used ACTIVELY, that will make it difficult.  It also depends on the type of game you are playing obviously, a game like Pokemon can be played somewhat more passively. 

You could just have easily had this concern for the N64 controller.  There is nothing stopping a developer from making a game that actively requires you to look at both screens just like there was nothing stopping a developer from requiring you to use the N64 d-pad, analog stick and face buttons at the same time.  It wasn't a concern on the N64 because any developer that would do such a thing would pay for it with crappy sales of their unplayable **** game.  Good developers aren't going to do this on the Wii U and if they try to the game will probably suck so much that the sales will be in the shitter.  At worst Nintendo would try something like that ONCE and then never again after it bombs.  It just doesn't make sense to make a game like that.

Though I figure we'll get lots of titles from Nintendo where it plays like a normal game except you have to look down at the tablet for menus and other stupid crap that doesn't need a seperate screen but will be shoehorned in accordingly to justify the decision to make a console with a tablet controller.  You know how in NSMB on the DS the game is pretty much all in the top screen but if you want to access any power-up you have in reserve you have to touch it on the touchscreen?  That is the future.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 28, 2012, 08:09:45 PM
I disagree. You call it shoehorning; I call it an improved interface. For example. the touchscreen completely changed Ocarina of Time. That's not an exaggeration by any stetch of the imagination. I wasn't a believer until I played OoT 3D but I can't go back and play it on N64 ever again. It has nothing to do with the graphics and everything to do with how well the second screen improved the game.

It depends on how it's used and what it's used for. The item swap in NSMB was pointless because, if I remember correctly, the X button did nothing. In other games, the entire experience is greatly enhanced.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 28, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
The future is flexibility. It's having a platform, much like Apple and Google have built, where anyone with an idea can realize it.

And I think Nintendo themselves, finally realizes that. The Wii U is set to have all the standard industry control options and more, standard industry graphics ability and more, and the standard online network and more.

If a third party wants to make anything for any system, they can make it on the Wii U (especially if the tablet is multi-touch). If third parties want to make a game for the Wii U, there is a chance they can't make it for other systems. And that's the methodology Nintendo seems to be subscribing to.
Title: Steamworks/Wii U Cross Platform Play?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2012, 12:02:05 AM
Steam U!? *wink wink*
Two Tribes Hints At Steam & Wii U Cross Platform Saves?
https://twitter.com/#!/TwoTribesGames/status/185195880142483456 (https://twitter.com/#!/TwoTribesGames/status/185195880142483456)
Quote from: twitter
Two Tribes
‏ @TwoTribesGames
 
“@rothsothy: @TwoTribesGames Steamworks/Steam Cloud support! #tokitori2Cross platform PC/Wii U saves! Wouldn't that be nice ;)

yes. yes it would be nice. very nice actually.
It would also be even nicer if I could buy it on the eShop and also have access to it on my computer so that I won't have to buy it twice to enjoy that cross platform save feature.
What would be nicest is if Steamworks was just on my Wii U to begin with.




edit:
and don't forget this little tidbit from the Rumor List 2011
Valve on WiiU (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682834#msg682834)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 29, 2012, 12:09:59 AM
I don't think Nintendo is going to forsake EA and take in Valve, but this may play to the rumor (or was it official?) that said Nintendo is allowing third parties to bring in their own online infrastructure onto the Wii U.

This little hint gives that much more water.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on March 29, 2012, 12:39:10 AM
Wha... what.. why, yes. Is that a little drop of pee in my panties ...I mean, underwear?

Please, oh, please.. Nintendo.. for the love of jeebus. Please give us Steamworks on your next console. Cross-platform game saves are making this sound more likely.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... I'm all too excited about E3 this year. Don't worry, Ty. I won't liveblog it this year. ;)
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 29, 2012, 01:40:03 AM
As long as I can download all the pre-Wii U launch games then I will have no problems with this happening.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 29, 2012, 02:10:02 AM
I swear I'm trying, Kytim. But that sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 29, 2012, 02:34:13 AM
I swear I'm trying, Kytim. But that sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Dead Space 2? Saints Row: The Third?  Mass Effect 2? Modern Warfare 3?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on March 29, 2012, 02:46:51 AM
Yes I understand that games might be coming out before Wii U is released, but your concern...It doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that third parties will wait to release the PC version of games to accommodate the Wii U version? Why would they do that?

The only thing I can think of that would pertain to what your talking about is if the Wii U is straight up a Steam Hub and allows you to access more than just your save, but also your game. But then, that wouldn't delay the release either. In fact, that would be a main draw to the Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 29, 2012, 03:37:39 AM
Yes I understand that games might be coming out before Wii U is released, but your concern...It doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that third parties will wait to release the PC version of games to accommodate the Wii U version? Why would they do that?

The only thing I can think of that would pertain to what your talking about is if the Wii U is straight up a Steam Hub and allows you to access more than just your save, but also your game. But then, that wouldn't delay the release either. In fact, that would be a main draw to the Wii U.

I mentioned before that I have missed out on the last five years worth of third party games and something like Steam on the Wii U would help me play catch up relatively easy. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 29, 2012, 08:30:12 AM
Well Portal 2 does this on PS3.  I would look to that for how it will work.  I think buying a Wii U version can get you a Steam version but not vice versa.  At best I could see being able to buy a Deluxe version that rolls in the Nintendo cut and allows you to also use it on WiiU, but that little loss of control may be to much for Nintendo.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2012, 09:28:53 AM
Iwata already mentioned selling the eShop titles through different vendors or was it being able to access the eShop from anywhere and not just from Nintendo hardware?

either way I took it to mean that I could go on Amazon and/or GameStop to buy download codes, or if Steam is a part of Wii U, then maybe you can go on Steam on your PC, register your Nintendo account and be able to purchase all your gaming goods right from the Steamworks app on your PC.
Maybe this is where My Nintendo Accounts (Wii U acct based log-ins) come into play also. Being able to link your account to Steam like you can a Facebook account to just about anything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on March 29, 2012, 09:50:00 AM
Iwata already mentioned selling the eShop titles through different vendors or was it being able to access the eShop from anywhere and not just from Nintendo hardware?
...

In Nintendo's Semi-Annual Financial Results Briefing (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/111028/05.html):

Quote
Although this next feature is not going to be available with the next system update, we are now preparing for the Nintendo eShop to be available on the Web so that you can access it via PCs or smartphones too. As of now, the information available on our Nintendo eShop, including the reviews that I mentioned just now, is only available at the Nintendo eShop on Nintendo 3DS and it does not have a great affinity with the social media which are currently being used as a means to spread information. In other words, even if a software title receives an incredible review, majority of people will not know about it unless they access the Nintendo eShop with their Nintendo 3DS system.

We would like to solve this issue by making the Nintendo eShop accessible via PCs and smartphones as well. At the beginning, you will not be able to directly purchase software from your PC or smartphone. Instead, you will need to take a photo of a QR code at the Nintendo eShop by using the camera of your Nintendo 3DS. The Nintendo 3DS will then open that specific page of the Nintendo eShop. That function is already included in the upcoming system update for the Nintendo 3DS. In the future, we will make it so that you will be able to purchase software by using your PC or smartphone,

Which very clearily states there intention to have the eShop accessible from web enabled devices.  I really doubt Nintendo will ever sell specific downloaded games from other vendors.  Just the point cards like iTune does.  I'm hoping that Nintendo will automatically give you the digital version of a title if you buy the physical version and it is the first time registering it.  Which the registration being done by simply putting the disk in and saying Register to my Club Nintendo or whatever.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 29, 2012, 09:57:59 AM
I take my laptop to school when I need to write a paper.

When I was in school we wrote our papers on, well... paper. At the time Laptops cost like $2,000.

We also had to walk 50 miles up hill in the snow every day to get to school, but that's another story. :P
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Post by: bustin98 on March 29, 2012, 10:40:40 AM
What I think would be the way to go for Nintendo is to allow the installation of apps, similar to what the 360 allows now, along with phones and tablets. The problem with the 360 is that Microsoft is the gatekeeper of all things sold and a separate games app would run against their control.

Now, Nintendo wants to be flexible with the publishers, so they could allow EA to have an Origin app, and Valve can have their Steam app, and Activision can have an app... Nintendo still tracks the sales, and if you want to monitor your account, you just visit each app. Nintendo doesn't have to maintain a history of your downloads, they don't have to monitor your credit card info, its all on each platform holder. Even online aspects can be up to the platform. I'm sure the storefronts will be specialized to the WiiU, and you can choose whether or not a particular platform is open on your system.

A weak point is a lack of an overall wallet. On the 360 and PS3, you have a unified account that has funds, and you pay MS or Sony and they redistribute the cash. Though on a PC you do have to maintain separate accounts, so its not an entirely new idea. Just throw a magnet stripe reader on the controller... lol.
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Post by: Stogi on March 29, 2012, 12:27:33 PM
Magnet stripe....how about NFC?
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Post by: Ceric on March 29, 2012, 01:19:49 PM
I take my laptop to school when I need to write a paper.

When I was in school we wrote our papers on, well... paper. At the time Laptops cost like $2,000.

We also had to walk 50 miles up hill in the snow every day to get to school, but that's another story. :P
When I went to school in the 90's (1st - 12th)  I used a laptop of some sort that whole time.
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Post by: bustin98 on March 29, 2012, 05:18:08 PM
Magnet stripe....how about NFC?

I was being stupid... and I was too lazy to look to see if NFC is prevalent on CCs to make it a feasible feature.
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Post by: Stogi on March 29, 2012, 05:19:19 PM
I know you were being facetious, but that could actually work. And most CCs don't have NFC, but Google Wallet and Android phones do.
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Post by: Enner on March 29, 2012, 06:28:32 PM
A weak point is a lack of an overall wallet. On the 360 and PS3, you have a unified account that has funds, and you pay MS or Sony and they redistribute the cash. Though on a PC you do have to maintain separate accounts, so its not an entirely new idea. Just throw a magnet stripe reader on the controller... lol.

It shouldn't be too much trouble for Nintendo to run some sort of universal wallet that supports all the different publisher services, right? Or course, the same can be said for having a universal Nintendo account supported by all the possible services. Hmm, I would hope that Nintendo would keep their own record of all the different things you can purchase on the Wii U, if only so they can offer Club Nintendo coins for each purchase!
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Post by: bustin98 on March 29, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
Isn't Club Nintendo coins offered only on Nintendo games? Or is it up to the publisher to participate? I'd figure Nintendo can track their own app.

If the various publishers track your sales, then they can offer corresponding downloads for your PC, or something. Similar to Valve and Portal 2 on PS3.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 29, 2012, 08:03:28 PM
Nintendo has started to extend it to some third party 3DS games (like Crush 3D and Jaws: Ultimate Predator.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 29, 2012, 08:45:45 PM
And, from the start, every download game was eligible for Club Nintendo, regardless of publisher.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 31, 2012, 02:19:44 AM
I HUNGER FOR NEWS
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 31, 2012, 03:00:07 AM
Apparently SEGA is in some bad financial straits.
 
http://www.screwattack.com/news/sega-bleeding-money-and-cancelling-games (http://www.screwattack.com/news/sega-bleeding-money-and-cancelling-games)
 
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Due to the state of “rapid change” in the video game industry, Sega Sammy is going to take a large hit in 2012. Reporting a loss of 7.1 billion Yen ($86.4 million) for the year the company will be going through “structural reform” and “studio streamlining”. Basically the company will be downsizing and is currently reviewing their game lineup to see what can be cancelled.
While they haven’t revealed what those cancelled games are they have assured us that their “strong IPs” will remain safe and include franchises such as Sonic the Hedgehog, Football Manager, Total War, and Aliens. The most successful product for Sega Sammy wasn’t actually video games at all; it was their Pachinko machines and amusements. Guess it was a good thing they stopped making Marvel games (http://www.screwattack.com/news/disney-tells-sega-they-can%E2%80%99t-make-marvel-games-anymore), but now I see why they won’t commit to Sonic 4 Episode III (http://www.screwattack.com/news/further-sequels-sonic-hedgehog-4-not-currently-planned)…

Could SEGA go the way of the Dodo bird?
 
What can they do to get back strong again?
 
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on March 31, 2012, 03:28:43 AM
Sega seems fine enough to last for at least this year. At least I hope as I want to see Phantasy Star Online 2 to come out. I hope its strong series such as Sonic, Yakuza (in Japan), and such will sustain the company for at least a few more years. However, I doubt that we'll see any big games from them that aren't a sequel, spin off, or well in to production.
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Post by: MysticGohan on March 31, 2012, 03:46:19 AM
Sad to see that Sega will put the final nail in the coffin. As Farnsworth would say "What in Sega Genesis are you blabbing about?"
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 31, 2012, 03:52:59 AM
Sega seems fine enough to last for at least this year. At least I hope as I want to see Phantasy Star Online 2 to come out. I hope its strong series such as Sonic, Yakuza (in Japan), and such will sustain the company for at least a few more years. However, I doubt that we'll see any big games from them that aren't a sequel, spin off, or well in to production.

If SEGA is in as bad of shape then I could easily see them become a exclusively digital distribution based company. They forgoe pubishing even their own titles in physical form to reduce financial risk and then try and make some profit the best the can do. Honestly, I have been saying for years that SEGA was going to go bankrupt (again) and be delivered the coup de gra. I am surpried that SEGA has lasted this long considering that their one IP, Sonic, has been more or less paying the bills since they left the home console market.
 
I will tell you one thing, if SEGA were to cease to exsist then other companies will carve up their IPs relatively quickly. What I would like to see is SEGA of Japan sell the company and its assets to a western developer like EA or Activision.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 31, 2012, 05:11:57 AM
Apparently SEGA is in some bad financial straits.

This would be the perfect time for Nintendo to show a little charity and throw a little money their way to help them out.

And by help them out, I mean buy them out of course. Then Sonic and all the other Sega franchises would be Nintendo exclusive.
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Post by: Lithium on March 31, 2012, 05:24:15 AM
Apparently SEGA is in some bad financial straits.

This would be the perfect time for Nintendo to show a little charity and throw a little money their way to help them out.

And by help them out, I mean buy them out of course. Then Sonic and all the other Sega franchises would be Nintendo exclusive.


yeah i completely agree, i'd love to see what Nintendo could do with the sonic franchise. It's not like they don't have the funds for aquisitions it would be a smart investment in the long term. Not so sure about the short term though, nintendo just lost plenty of cash themselves and investors have their panties in a bunch I would also guess that Nintendo would also have to assume Sega's debt if that were to happen.


another alternative is to wait until they actually do go under and hope they can snag the good  I.P rights fast enough.
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Post by: Adrock on March 31, 2012, 06:54:55 AM
I really wouldn't want any company besides Nintendo to get their hands on Sega's IPs. Nintendo is more likely to handle them best (mainly because they're willing to trash an entire game and start over if it sucks). At the same time, I would expect many of the IPs to remain dormant though that's likely the case no matter who got them. Would anyone bring back Alex Kidd? Probably not but Nintendo would probably use him in Smash Bros.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 31, 2012, 08:25:45 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but if someone buys out SEGA then they are on the hook for whatever debt obligations that SEGA might owe, right? The only reason I mentioned a western company should buy them is that a company like EA would better allocate their resources than the people running SEGA today. 
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Post by: Adrock on March 31, 2012, 08:59:28 AM
Yeah, they would have to take on the debt. As for EA, Nintendo could not only do the same, but would likely do it better. It doesn't really have to do with West vs East. Nintendo handles their numbers better than most companies. That's why they've stayed in the game for so long. That said, they would probably consider buying Sega or their IPs a bad investment. Nintendo clearly doesn't need them because they have several of the strongest IPs in the industry. I was just saying that Nintendo would manage those IPs better than anyone and from a gamer's POV, Nintendo and Sega together would be the bomb diggity.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2012, 09:57:23 AM
What SEGA should do (and I'm not sure why this is in the Rumor thread) is make sure they support the Wii U with all they got when it comes to launch time. There is a lot of money on the table should the Wii U be a success. Put real software out at launch along with some casual flare, and enjoy your recovery.

If such a plan were to fail and Sega/Sammy were to fail right along with it, then Nintendo should absolutely NOT buy the company and assume any of that bad debt. Nintendo should wait till they fail, then pick off the talent as they get let go or leave the sinking ship. Buy rights to any IP's Sega/Sammy is willing to sell off (such as Sonic) to recover from their losses and possibly buy the Sega name from them and form a new studio using that that name to house all the "new" talent and their "old" IP's.

Now it will look like Nintendo bought Sega and that Sega is a Nintendo exclusive dev. This would also allow Nintendo to fund/produce some more risque games under a different brand that everyone is familiar with without having to tarnish the Nintendo brand with lots M rated content.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 31, 2012, 10:10:52 AM
Yeah, they would have to take on the debt. As for EA, Nintendo could not only do the same, but would likely do it better. It doesn't really have to do with West vs East. Nintendo handles their numbers better than most companies. That's why they've stayed in the game for so long. That said, they would probably consider buying Sega or their IPs a bad investment. Nintendo clearly doesn't need them because they have several of the strongest IPs in the industry. I was just saying that Nintendo would manage those IPs better than anyone and from a gamer's POV, Nintendo and Sega together would be the bomb diggity.

Since Nintendo is moving into HD development they could use the man power, and since SEGA's developers are more familiar with developing HD games then they could get a whole lot of work done on making games. However, I do not see Nintendo buying their IPs because Nintendo has enough of their own to manage, and they have the capacity to grow new IPs if the need ever arises.
 
If SEGA does go bankrupt for good then I see Capcom or Konami buying them in the east and EA or Activision buying them in the west. Who ever would get them would most likely jump at the chance to have a second tier mascot at their disposal. Of course Sonic has went down in quality since SEGA's heyday, but it would be a status symbol to own an IP that went toe=to=toe with Nintendo's mascot, Mario, and survived for several decades.
 
One thing I have noticed about SEGA is that they have quality games, and the talent to back it up, but what they lack drive, or initiative. If they were to be bought out then a more stable company would then be able to make better use from their games.
 
 
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Post by: Ceric on March 31, 2012, 10:23:28 AM
Yeah, I can see Sega/Sammy closing down their video game segment and selling off the IPs.  That should be worth enough to give them a  good star on there debt.  If I'm reading this right there other part is making money so it be like removing the diseased limb from a tree.

In no way should Nintendo ever just buy Sega outright.  That's a losing deal.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 31, 2012, 10:24:47 AM
What SEGA should do (and I'm not sure why this is in the Rumor thread) is make sure they support the Wii U with all they got when it comes to launch time. There is a lot of money on the table should the Wii U be a success. Put real software out at launch along with some casual flare, and enjoy your recovery.

If such a plan were to fail and Sega/Sammy were to fail right along with it, then Nintendo should absolutely NOT buy the company and assume any of that bad debt. Nintendo should wait till they fail, then pick off the talent as they get let go or leave the sinking ship. Buy rights to any IP's Sega/Sammy is willing to sell off (such as Sonic) to recover from their losses and possibly buy the Sega name from them and form a new studio using that that name to house all the "new" talent and their "old" IP's.

Now it will look like Nintendo bought Sega and that Sega is a Nintendo exclusive dev. This would also allow Nintendo to fund/produce some more risque games under a different brand that everyone is familiar with without having to tarnish the Nintendo brand with lots M rated content.

SEGA has a bunch of games that were developed in Japan and due to their financial troubles may never be released in North America or Europe. We all know how Nintendo feels about money hats, but what if Nintendo went to SEGA and told them that they would pay for the localization of games like Valkyria Chronicles 3 and in exchange SEGA makes them Wii U exclusives. That would be one hell of a deal for prospective Wii U owners.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 31, 2012, 11:06:01 AM
Now it will look like Nintendo bought Sega and that Sega is a Nintendo exclusive dev. This would also allow Nintendo to fund/produce some more risque games under a different brand that everyone is familiar with without having to tarnish the Nintendo brand with lots M rated content.
Yeah, Sega could essentially be Nintendo's Miramax/Buena Vista brand. At the same time, isn't Sega's name tarnished? Maybe it would be better for Nintendo to establish their own M-rated brand. Then again, Infogrames adopted the Atari name and that's one of the most tarnished names in gaming so perhaps you can't beat name recognition.

Since this whole buying Sega thing is a pipe dream, it might still be a good idea for Nintendo to form an M-rated publishing brand to release games with a hard T or M rating.

Since Nintendo is moving into HD development they could use the man power, and since SEGA's developers are more familiar with developing HD games then they could get a whole lot of work done on making games. However, I do not see Nintendo buying their IPs because Nintendo has enough of their own to manage, and they have the capacity to grow new IPs if the need ever arises.
 
If SEGA does go bankrupt for good then I see Capcom or Konami buying them in the east and EA or Activision buying them in the west. Who ever would get them would most likely jump at the chance to have a second tier mascot at their disposal.
Okay, I'm a little confused. Your reasoning for Nintendo not buying the Sega's IPs also applies to the 4 other companies you mentioned. In fact, with the exception of maybe Activision, they have all introduced more new IPs in recent years than Nintendo. So, if anything, Nintendo would benefit the most from an IP grab because they wouldn't have to establish a new IP (something they almost seem allergic to). They could rely on name brands and just focus on making games that people already recognize.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2012, 05:55:04 PM
I don't know how strong of a rumor this is, but right now it's being discussed that Jet Set Radio for Wii U was possibly one of the unannounced games that Sega cancelled due to the restructuring.

If I find something/someone I can source I'll let you guys know more.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 31, 2012, 07:26:06 PM
I don't know how strong of a rumor this is, but right now it's being discussed that Jet Set Radio for Wii U was possibly one of the unannounced games that Sega cancelled due to the restructuring.

If I find something/someone I can source I'll let you guys know more.

Yeah I read that somewhere, how lame would it be if it were true?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on March 31, 2012, 09:01:37 PM
The later part of this article has me worried about the longevity of SEGA:
 
http://kotaku.com/5898026/sega-of-america-walloped-by-layoffs-western-publishing-reduced-to-sonic-and-three-others (http://kotaku.com/5898026/sega-of-america-walloped-by-layoffs-western-publishing-reduced-to-sonic-and-three-others)
 
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In a statement published by Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/30/sega-canceling-games-cutting-jobs-in-us-and-europe-to-restructu/#continued), Sega of America re-named those four series and confirmed the layoffs. "As a result of the SEGA Sammy Board decision to consolidate the business, many of our internal functions will be re-structured and this could result in a number of redundancies within the publishing business across the Western organisation," it said.
IGN reported (http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1222024p1.html) that QA for North America has been completely shut down, with Sega Europe taking over its functions. Positions in functions like marketing, social media and design also got the axe, IGN says, citing unnamed sources.
The reduction of Western publishing will surely kill off a significant chunk of Sega's portfolio here. In addition to the four franchises named above, western consumers have seen titles like Virtua Tennis, Virtua Fighter, Bayonetta, MadWorld and The Conduit published by Sega over the past three years. No word yet on what this means, specifically, for HD re-release plans for Jet Set Radio. (http://kotaku.com/5888947/hd-jet-set-radio-blasts-onto-consoles-and-pc-this-summer) But it probably kills rumors of a similar re-release for Shenmue. (http://kotaku.com/5893458/sega-might-actually-re+release-shenmue-in-hd-and-skies-of-arcadia)
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Post by: Caliban on March 31, 2012, 10:17:08 PM
I wonder if there will be any company with enough guts to buy their IPs.
Title: Headstrong rebooting a Sega IP from the Dreamcast Era?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2012, 11:22:22 PM
I don't know how strong of a rumor this is, but right now it's being discussed that Jet Set Radio for Wii U was possibly one of the unannounced games that Sega cancelled due to the restructuring.

If I find something/someone I can source I'll let you guys know more.
I found out more thanks to Shocking Alberto over @ GAF

According to his source, the rumor goes that Sega reached out to Headstrong Games to reboot one of their Dreamcast IP's and that IP had ties to a XBLA port.

There were several IP's in question
Space Channel, Crazy Taxi & Jet Set Radio

and if you read the Sega layoff/restructuring news, that leads to speculation of it being Jet Set
Radio since that has(?) an HD port coming to XBLA.


and now it's possible that this may be one of the unannounced games that Sega cancelled.
Title: Nintendo & MySpace Sitting in a Tree....?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2012, 11:39:57 PM
and one more before March is officially over, and this one may be an early April Fools joke....
but if you think about it, it's not all that unbelievable. But maybe that's why I'm cautious about it.

Nintendo working with MySpace on Wii U
http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/myspace-nintendo-wii-u/ (http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/myspace-nintendo-wii-u/)
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It was passed down the grapevine that Nintendo is working behind the scenes with MySpace. They are trying to create something like a MySpace TV app for the Wii U that would turn the controller into a full communication/social media device. I have no idea what that means, but that was the notion of it.

Honestly, I think this would be a great move for all involved. Video Chat, IMing, pictures, social networking tailored specifically for the Wii U and it's special controller. MySpace is more media centered (music & videos) as Facebook took over on everything else it did, so Justin Timberlake and his MySpace may be looking for a say to make a new name for itself and let everyone know that they aren't dead, or maybe just taking the opportunity to recreate themselves for a whole new audience. It makes so much sense, that it can't possibly happen though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 31, 2012, 11:51:51 PM
Who even uses Myspace anymore? This would be like a company in 2007 announcing a deal with Geocities. More content is always good, but this rumor seems like it would benefit Myspace more than Nintendo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2012, 11:59:27 PM
Nintendo needs social networking integrated directly into the Wii U. Something that uses video, chat and all aspects of media to make it a centralized online media hub of the home.

MySpace is in the process of reinventing itself ever since Facebook kicked it off the couch and told it to find a comfortable spot on the floor.

as a matter of fact MySpace was at CES back in January talking this very same thing (reinvention)

Myspace and Panasonic partner to unveil new social TV service
MySpace partners with Panasonic who is very close to Nintendo....
http://specificmedia.com/press/171 (http://specificmedia.com/press/171)
Quote from: re: MySpace TV
“We’re ready to take television and entertainment to the next step by upgrading it to the social networking experience. Why text or email your friends to talk about your favorite programs after they’ve aired when you could be sharing the experience with real-time interactivity from anywhere across the globe? As the plot of your favorite drama unfolds, the joke of your favorite SNL character plays, or even the last second shot of your favorite team swishes the net, we’re giving you the opportunity to connect your friends to your moments as they’re actually occurring. This is the evolution of one of our greatest inventions, the television. And, we no longer have to crowd around the same one to experience it together.”

Myspace TV: The Next Step in the Comeback
http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2012/01/myspace-tv-the-next-step-in-the-comeback.html (http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2012/01/myspace-tv-the-next-step-in-the-comeback.html)
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According to the press release, the social activity will be handled via a smartphone or tablet app. If that’s the case, then it’s really not much more than GetGlue, Miso, and several other apps are already doing. It works, but it feels like two experiences, what’s happening on TV and what’s happening on your phone.
Title: Re: Headstrong rebooting a Sega IP from the Dreamcast Era?
Post by: Kytim89 on April 01, 2012, 12:11:47 AM
I don't know how strong of a rumor this is, but right now it's being discussed that Jet Set Radio for Wii U was possibly one of the unannounced games that Sega cancelled due to the restructuring.

If I find something/someone I can source I'll let you guys know more.
I found out more thanks to Shocking Alberto over @ GAF

According to his source, the rumor goes that Sega reached out to Headstrong Games to reboot one of their Dreamcast IP's and that IP had ties to a XBLA port.

There were several IP's in question
Space Channel, Crazy Taxi & Jet Set Radio

and if you read the Sega layoff/restructuring news, that leads to speculation of it being Jet Set
Radio since that has(?) an HD port coming to XBLA.


and now it's possible that this may be one of the unannounced games that Sega cancelled.

I see this as a bad omen of things to come for SEGA because it is relatively easy to make a profit via digital downloads, so if they are cancelling games that have no physical copies then they might very well be in such turmoil that they could go belly up soon.
 
Edit:
 
When I mentioned the easy profit on digital games I menat that gamers would consume as much as SEGA produced and the chances of losing profits on used games would be nullified.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 01, 2012, 12:59:53 AM
Blah, blah, blah MySpace.

Just because MySpace is giving it one last hurrah, doesn't mean that they aren't dying.

As for SEGA, I think Nintendo should just take the plunge and buy them out. There's too much brand synergy going for them right now. Nintendo's about to post a loss themselves, but the company still keeps a large cash reserve. SEGA would be foolish to just sell off their IPs to pay their creditors, and I wouldn't think too many companies would buy them. Yeah, you can buy Shenmue and give that game's fans the sequel they've been begging for to make a quick buck, but that game would suck and make everyone hate you. (Actually, Rockstar could probably pull it off.)
In any event, Nintendo could easily rotate some staff around and whip whatever remaining studios SEGA has in to shape. Rebranding existing IPs and giving some of Nintendo's (F-Zero, Star Fox) over could really work out in Nintendo's favor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 01, 2012, 02:37:32 AM
Blah, blah, blah MySpace.

Just because MySpace is giving it one last hurrah, doesn't mean that they aren't dying.

Never said they weren't dying. M point was that they need to do something bold and Nintendo needs someone that has social networking down to make it work flawlessly on the Wii U the first time.

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As for SEGA, I think Nintendo should just take the plunge and buy them out. There's too much brand synergy going for them right now. Nintendo's about to post a loss themselves, but the company still keeps a large cash reserve. SEGA would be foolish to just sell off their IPs to pay their creditors, and I wouldn't think too many companies would buy them. Yeah, you can buy Shenmue and give that game's fans the sequel they've been begging for to make a quick buck, but that game would suck and make everyone hate you. (Actually, Rockstar could probably pull it off.)
In any event, Nintendo could easily rotate some staff around and whip whatever remaining studios SEGA has in to shape. Rebranding existing IPs and giving some of Nintendo's (F-Zero, Star Fox) over could really work out in Nintendo's favor.

Nintendo buys them out then they have to buy them off of Sammy (who already bough them) or buy SegaSammy as a whole which would mean assuming whatever debts they have at the moment. and that doesn't guarantee all the talent that made the IP's they just acquired will stick around to continue working on them.

I think it would be much easier and cheaper to pick them off in pieces.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 01, 2012, 03:08:47 AM
Is the Sega brand really worth all that much anymore? The people who care are most likely more loyal to individual franchises, and either wouldn't be aware in the change in companies or knowledgeable enough about the industry to get what happened. Hell, in certain cases I think the fact that it's made by somebody other than Sega might be a selling point to some people after the decline their internal studios have had. I'd be much more interested in the next Sonic game if it were made by somebody other than Sonic Team or Dimps.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 01, 2012, 03:36:21 AM
Most people like Dimps, they do a really good job.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 01, 2012, 03:48:15 AM
Pinterest is the new hotness in social media. Nintendo needs to jump on that, not MySpace.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 01, 2012, 03:58:50 AM
Most people like Dimps, they do a really good job.

Dimps is okay, but I think part of the reason people like their games is because they get compared to the complete **** coming out of Sonic Team. There are at least half a dozen studios I'd be far, far more interested in seeing make a Sonic game than them.


Pinterest is the new hotness in social media. Nintendo needs to jump on that, not MySpace.

Watching Reggie doing a section of the E3 Press Conference about how Nintendo's integrating the Wii U's online system with Pinterest would be hilarious. In some ways, it's exactly the kind of thing they would do: aiming at a broader market, being unconventional for no reason, a misguided attempt to be cool and cutting edge.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 01, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
Is the Sega brand really worth all that much anymore?

It is in the sense that it is a brand everyone recognizes and remembers, just like Atari. If Sega did go under the Sega brand name would be something alot of companies would want to be in possession of. When Atari went bankrupt all of its various property was split up among various parties. There is a company today called Atari Interactive, but it has nothing to do with the original Atari other than the name and logo. I suspect if Sega went under and was auctioned and parceled out something similar would happen with the name. It would live on, but it probably wouldn't have Sonic or the other IPs associated with the original Sega. Someone else would be in possession of that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 01, 2012, 02:28:15 PM
Blah, blah, blah MySpace.

Just because MySpace is giving it one last hurrah, doesn't mean that they aren't dying.

Never said they weren't dying. M point was that they need to do something bold and Nintendo needs someone that has social networking down to make it work flawlessly on the Wii U the first time.

Yeah, but that would only help MySpace. It could even hurt Nintendo as MySpace's brand might have a certain toxicity to it, making Nintendo look "behind the times." Having them build a social network would work, as long as the brand wasn't there.

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As for SEGA, I think Nintendo should just take the plunge and buy them out. There's too much brand synergy going for them right now. Nintendo's about to post a loss themselves, but the company still keeps a large cash reserve. SEGA would be foolish to just sell off their IPs to pay their creditors, and I wouldn't think too many companies would buy them. Yeah, you can buy Shenmue and give that game's fans the sequel they've been begging for to make a quick buck, but that game would suck and make everyone hate you. (Actually, Rockstar could probably pull it off.)
In any event, Nintendo could easily rotate some staff around and whip whatever remaining studios SEGA has in to shape. Rebranding existing IPs and giving some of Nintendo's (F-Zero, Star Fox) over could really work out in Nintendo's favor.

Nintendo buys them out then they have to buy them off of Sammy (who already bough them) or buy SegaSammy as a whole which would mean assuming whatever debts they have at the moment. and that doesn't guarantee all the talent that made the IP's they just acquired will stick around to continue working on them.

I think it would be much easier and cheaper to pick them off in pieces.

The thing for me is the staffing. Nintendo already seems to have trouble managing the IPs they've got now, and adding more IPs with the same number of people would only make that worse. Keeping the teams around and putting some better leadership around them would give them that Nintendo quality we've all grown to love. The key talent is almost irrelevant, it's really just the numbers that are needed.

And it's not like Nintendo doesn't have the cash to buy SegaSammy. Nintendo's current ratio is like 4.something, which is a lot. They could easily assume all of SegaSammy's debt and have it paid off in a reasonable time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 01, 2012, 02:36:44 PM
Is the Sega brand really worth all that much anymore?

It is in the sense that it is a brand everyone recognizes and remembers, just like Atari. If Sega did go under the Sega brand name would be something alot of companies would want to be in possession of. When Atari went bankrupt all of its various property was split up among various parties. There is a company today called Atari Interactive, but it has nothing to do with the original Atari other than the name and logo. I suspect if Sega went under and was auctioned and parceled out something similar would happen with the name. It would live on, but it probably wouldn't have Sonic or the other IPs associated with the original Sega. Someone else would be in possession of that.

Actually, Noland Bushnell is on the board of directors at Atari. In fact, the company that owned the name renamed itself to Atari, though the last name was Infogrames. If that name can last, SEGA certainly can. I don't remember Atari having nearly as die hard a fan base as SEGA does.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 01, 2012, 09:45:47 PM
Actually names are fairly important.  Sega is a recognizable name...and people may see a franchise and buy it on the name alone...so I think the name Sega is still fairly important.

More over, I think the IPs are even better.  Take Sonic for instance...yes he hasn't been in too many great games recently, but one stellar game would bring him back into the forefront. 

As well as all the other games that COULD be reinvented...or franchises that are old which could feel like new franchises for Nintendo if they were to do something new with them.

I think it would be a good purchase if possible...but Sega probably would not let go of any worthwhile IPs without a complete buyout.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 01, 2012, 10:51:00 PM
The IPs are certainly worthwhile, I'm just questioning whether it's that important to buy the Sega brand along with them. And Sega will have to let go of their IPs if no one is willing to buy the whole company.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 01, 2012, 11:51:03 PM
That is unless they can restructure.  I just don't see them selling the IPs without buying the whole company.

And the Sega name is important.  Sonic might be recognizable without Sega's logo, but what about Shinobi?  Or Shemmue?  I think the Sega name is fairly important...and if anybody bought them they should really shake up the teams...and mix the talent with their own teams and try to give them a new start. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 02, 2012, 03:10:19 AM
The name matters for certain franchises. People might buy Sonic for Sonic, but still think it's weird to see say, Activision, on the title screen. Shenmue and Powerstone still have a fanbase asking for sequels, so they'd be alright especially with good developers. Games like NiGHTS and Jet Set Radio without the SEGA name are DOA, though.

The thing is, no company is gonna buy more than one IP from SEGA without needing more people, preferably experienced with the franchise. And SEGA wouldn't do well trying to sell them one at a time. They wouldn't do Sonic first, and that's the hottest one. The prices would just get driven down and EA would buy Crazy Taxi for like 99cents.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 02, 2012, 03:23:51 AM
Depending on how bad things are, SEGA may not have much of a choice regarding how they're sold.  I don't know how it works in Japan, but if a judge *could* order that SEGA auction off their properties to raise funds to cover their debts.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 03:34:39 AM
I have never seen thAt happen to a video game company other then when Acclaim went bankrupt and the bankruptcy judge had their IPs auctioned off individually (of course, they owed so much money that even office furniture was being sold to pay off creditors).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 02, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
That's a little more common than you think. The videogames industry I think is simply more subject to buyouts than other industries.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 02, 2012, 10:45:13 AM
Also, Acclaim is probably about the only major publisher to go under and bankrupt in recent years.

Generally, what we've been hearing is about development studios closing doors - and they generally (though not always) don't own the IPs they work on - thus have nothing to sell.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 02, 2012, 01:50:58 PM
Also, Acclaim is probably about the only major publisher to go under and bankrupt in recent years.

What about Midway? Wikipedia says they were the fourth largest publisher in the year 2000 so they were a big deal, but about three years ago they went bankrupt. They were the creators and owners of Mortal Kombat, among other things.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 02, 2012, 04:23:31 PM
Ironically, Acclaim published all of the home versions of Mortal Kombat and many other Midway franchises.
Title: Wii U less powerful than PS360, Developers say...
Post by: Stogi on April 02, 2012, 05:14:01 PM
Wii Less Powerful than PS360, according to two anonymous developers

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-02-wii-u-less-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-02-wii-u-less-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say)

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"No, it's not up to the same level as the PS3 or the 360.," said one developer who's been working with the Wii U. What does that mean? "The graphics are just not as powerful," reiterated the source.

This developer is not alone in their opinion. Another developer at a major company confirmed this point of view. "Yeah, that's true. It doesn't produce graphics as well as the PS3 or the 360," said the source. "There aren't as many shaders, it's not as capable. Sure, some things are better, mostly as a result of it being a more modern design. But overall the Wii U just can't quite keep up."

The article goes on to give an explanation of why the Wii U may not be as powerful as today's systems. The reason is the tablet controller.

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Nintendo is also hampered in some ways by the tablet controller. Putting something innovative into a new console is pretty much expected, and the tablet controller is Nintendo's big innovation for the Wii U, not raw horsepower. The tablet controller, with its color LCD touchscreen, is not going to be an inexpensive component. This would tend to push the price of the Wii U (which consists of a Wii U console plus a single tablet controller, according to sources) higher; keeping the retail price of the whole package low means cutting back on the capability of the GPU, CPU, RAM and other components in order to keep the price at the desired level.

What is that level? Nintendo hasn't said yet, but certainly the continued weakness in the retail market for console hardware and software (down 8% last year in both the US and Japan) indicates that consumers will not be enthusiastic about high prices for new consoles.

Nintendo has been focusing their public statements about the Wii U on innovation, and game design quality, and offering a unique experience. Those are good things, but at the same time they have avoided direct power comparisons between the Wii U and the current competitors, the Xbox 360 and the PS3. This implies that at the least the Wii U does not have a strong graphics advantage over the competition; if they did, why wouldn't Nintendo want to shout that from the rooftops?

Some of the developers discuss the Wii U's main weakness....One tablet controller. They also discuss how other controllers like the Wiimote+ may get a redesign.

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"The whole thing about the tablet controller is that you only get one of them, and you can only use one and it's not completely independent," noted the source. "The base console has to be on, and you have to be in range." Queried about other controllers, the source was clear: "Other controllers are just Wiimotes, or other Wii controllers. They may change the form factor or looks a bit, but it's the same controller."

This means that one player using the tablet controller will be having a somewhat different experience than other players on the same console. Nintendo has shown several Wii U games that make interesting use of this, where the player with the tablet controller has a different view and different goals than the other players, or is competing directly against the other players. However, what if you've got 2 or 3 or 4 players who all want to play Call of Duty on the Wii U, and the tablet controller offers some advantage (or puts you at a disadvantage)? Will there be arguments, and will that affect satisfaction with the console?

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Some developers are looking at the PS3/PS Vita combo as being more powerful than the Wii U with tablet controller, and easier to program, too. "You can do everything with that combo that you can with the Wii U, and more," said the source. Nintendo's bid for a unique play experience with the tablet controller may not be completely successful.

The key issue of console price versus performance is definitely a difficult one for Nintendo. Unless they can price the Wii U very low, Microsoft and Sony will probably be able to price their consoles below the Wii U, and they may well want to do that in the Wii U's first holiday selling season. Will Nintendo be able to convince hard-core gamers to buy the Wii U if it offers somewhat less power at a higher price? Or, indeed, what would any consumer think of slightly less power at a higher price? This would force Nintendo to make sure the innovations of the tablet controller (and perhaps other features) are compelling enough to make the Wii U a desirable buy despite the price. Many fans would probably buy a Wii U if they could get a new Legend of Zelda game with HD graphics; but are their enough of those fans to make the Wii U a hit? Will Nintendo even have one ore more of its iconic brands available in a game at the Wii U's launch? These critical questions are likely to receive some answers at E3 this year.

This article basically gives us a reason to doubt the power of the Wii U while also claiming that it's new innovation isn't really an innovation at all (though they don't mention buying a PS3 and Vita would cost a **** ton of money). Sounds like some bullshit to me, but I posted it because it does calm expectations.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on April 02, 2012, 05:26:42 PM
Rumor mill making hard swings in the Wii U's power question these past few weeks. Ah, it makes me anxious!

While there is no doubt the PS3 and Vita combination is great and full of potential, it also costs at least US$500. Sony will have beaten the Wii U to the tablet controller punch when there are games out that use it as such. Perhaps we'll see something of the sort at E3?

Hell, we better be seeing everything at E3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on April 02, 2012, 05:30:23 PM
I trust Caterkiller's source more than these anonymous developers. To have a system capable of running UE4, theoretically it is already better than a PS3/X360.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 02, 2012, 05:39:48 PM
The PS3/Vita combo is the same idea as the Gamecube/GBA combo and that really failed to set the world on fire.  For this concept to take off it needs to be standard.  Expecting people to own two different systems is too much of a gamble.  It will be too niche for developers to give it serious support and rarely would they make a game that REQUIRES it.  There is no such concern on the Wii U.  You want to require it, put it in, as every Wii U owner has the necessary equipment.

My big concern about the Wii U has always been that it will be too much like the Wii.  The threat of Nintendo going skimpy on the specs and relying on shallow gimmicks has always been there.  Any rumour about such a thing is easily believable.  After putting up with Nintendo's annoying ability to **** anything and everything up, I pretty much expect it.  Anything negative is believable.

The Wii U has to be comparible in hardware to what the PS360 successor's will be.  LESS than PS360?  I'm not buying it.  It'll be strictly the casual console and will get **** third party support.  That's a completely avoidable situation and I'm not going to tolerate it.  To do such a thing either means that Nintendo are hopeless idiots or they specifically WANT to just be the casual guys.  Either way, I'm not going to be their customer anymore.

Of course if Sony and MS lock-out used games I'm sure as hell not going to be THEIR customers either.  So then what?  I guess I buy NOTHING and stick to retro games.  But if the industry honestly went that way I question how well it would do.  All three consoles would then have something would seriously turn off a good chunk of potential customers.  That could have a serious negative impact on their bottomline.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 02, 2012, 05:52:33 PM
I actually don't think developers won't care that much if the Wii U is only barely better than the PS360. They've been working on those consoles for 6-7 years now. They are extremely capable with those graphics. They also couldn't help but notice the extreme rise in development costs, so a system where they could continue to use they're already prefabricated assets could be seen as a plus. After all, not all developers care whether a single blade of grass moves independently from another. They care about their jobs and being financially stable.

The problem that might occur is the PS420 coming out and being drastically better, basically forcing developers to go high-end and thus allocating most of the money onto their systems. If that happens, it'll be the Wii vs. all, all over again and third party support will be severely lacking.

Nintendo can avoid this, but it would require a pricey system. There's a good chance MS and Sony will end up building a high-end system, but what if they don't? Nintendo could lose their new blue ocean base.

Obviously the answer is the middle somewhere, but it's tricky. Nintendo may have to sell at a loss.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 02, 2012, 06:01:50 PM
Just one of those day later April Fools jokes. How come we've herd nothing but "at least on par" up until this massive wave just now?

Plus UE4! That is all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2012, 06:12:46 PM
Shenanigans. I recall Mark Rein, of all people, saying some nice things about the platform which is a good sign because he has no reason to do so if he didn't think he could make money off of it. He seems like the type of person who would blurt out something negative if hardware was really an issue. I think there's a decent chance that Wii U will be able to handle Unreal Engine 4. Rein just seems too excited for the hardware to be less capable than something that came out 7 years ago. And I really don't think Nintendo would be that stupid. If Nintendo really hadn't figured out the importance of more advanced hardware, 3DS probably would have been less capable than the PSP.

I don't expect Sony and MS to make the same leap in power that PS3 and 360 did over PS2 and Xbox. Taking such heavy losses in a global economy that's much worse than it was 6-7 years ago seems horribly irresponsible. They'll be plenty powerful but I think the limits will be a bit more modest.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 02, 2012, 06:33:54 PM
I don't believe for a second that the Wii U will be as weak as or weaker than the PS360 in terms of CPU power, but there might be something to this in terms of the GPU since it will have to output display to not just the TV but the tablet as well. So in that sense this is a bit plausible. But I would think the tablet display could optionally be disabled in certain games, and then with the full power of the GPU going entirely to just the TV I would think that should just shatter anything the PS360 could even dream of producing.

If there is anything at all to this rumor it means Nintendo should have equipped the Wii U with either a more powerful GPU, or added in a secondary one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ejamer on April 02, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
This is a load of bull coming from a Sony development house.  How can I tell?  First there are the inaccuracies that sound like they are based on old dev kits instead of anything recent. Second, we've got this gem:


"Some developers are looking at the PS3/PS Vita combo as being more powerful than the Wii U with tablet controller, and easier to program, too. 'You can do everything with that combo that you can with the Wii U, and more,' said the source."


Yep, Sony development house confirmed.  Nobody else has ever claimed that Sony systems are easier to program for than the competition, or cared enough to talk about console/handheld interaction.


 ;)


All kidding aside, I don't believe that Wii U will be less powerful than current systems. That simply doesn't make sense to me. However, I also don't believe that Wii U will offer a huge leap forward in power - or that such a leap is particularly necessary or beneficial.  (And where additional power will be exciting is in AI and general processing power, not graphical improvements.)


Just my two cents.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 02, 2012, 09:13:01 PM
I think these weak comments come from developers not knowing how to port games to the different hardware of the Wii U. Look at all the lousy ports the PS3 has gotten that look worse even though the system has more graphical muscle than the 360.

Heck, look at the crappy PC ports of 360 games that run like garbage on the much more CPU, RAM and video of a modern desktop computer.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2012, 09:31:04 PM
I guess this is as good a time as any to post this comment that I've been sitting on for over a week.... (I've been hoping some counter to it would surface... but that has not the case)

I'm not sure how reliable the info is... but when you start to hear it from several different places all at once, maybe you should atleast hear them out. :/
Quote from: wsippel - 3/25/2011
Just read something official (middleware documentation I won't link here) that made it sound like the Wii U CPU should perform roughly comparable to Xenon for the most part, and better in some cases. So while the CPU itself is only slightly better, the fact that the system can offload stuff to the GPU and DSP leaves more computational performance for logic and AI. That's pretty much in line with my expectations.
Quote from: wsippel - 3/25/2011
I guess I should clarify the statement a bit further: A company I won't name wrote that their engine performs "roughly the same and in some cases better" on Wii U. The engine in question is completely CPU bound, so the GPU doesn't matter and the DSP wasn't used. Said company also notes that the Wii U version now performs an order of magnitude faster compared to previous releases, which helps explaining some statements by 3rd parties: unoptimized middleware can bring even the strongest system to its knees.

Anyway, as the piece is strictly talking about software performance, stuff like OS overhead wasn't taken into account (they only used the resources available to developers). The 360 version also had tons of updates by now, so there's probably still room for further optimizations on both ends, the OS and the engine itself. But at this point, the systems seem roughly comparable, with the Wii U having the edge.


But just the fact that the floor version of the Bird demo exist tells me that something isn't right.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 02, 2012, 09:58:27 PM
Lets also not forget the Zelda HD demo from E3 last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHNcSMXaBk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHNcSMXaBk)

This demo was made by Nintendo in only a few weeks and on early Wii U hardware which is less powerful then the final hardware.  Seriously, the Zelda demo looks better then anything on the 360 and right up there with the PS3's best looking games like Uncharted 2 and 3.  If this was done quickly on early hardware, then that pretty much shows that full fledge games done on final hardware are going to be well above what the 360 and PS3 can do.


Of course I wouldn't be surprised if the reason some developers are saying the system is less powerful then the 360/PS3 is because they're only going to give the system the quickest and shittiest ports possible that will look worse then the 360/PS3 versions.  It's going to be just like the Gamecube where even though the system was more powerful then the PS2, a good number of Gamecube ports looked worse then there PS2 counterparts.  Oh and lets not forget that even though the Wii was right on par with the Xbox, a lot of third parties made their Wii games look like crappy PS2 games, despite the fact these same third parties made much better looking Xbox games just a few years earlier.

Like I've been saying, don't expect much from third parties when it comes to how their Wii U graphics look.  They're going to say it's a weaker system now, just so they can try and justify why their ports looking like sh!t at E3 when the system is finally revealed.  And like always, they'll just pretend that Nintendo own games that look lightyears better on the same system don't exist and keep saying the systems weaker then it really is, just like they did on the Gamecube and Wii.
Title: Wii U Launch 11/18/2012?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2012, 10:05:56 PM
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/04/wii-u-launch-date-set-for-november-18-2012-report/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/04/wii-u-launch-date-set-for-november-18-2012-report/)

some people may want to reevaluate their choice of launch date in the appropriate thread before it's too late (myself included) ;)




...or maybe not considering that site still has up their story about 768MB of embedded DRAM in the Wii U.
and the story that puts words in the mouth of Take Two and their financial report regarding GTAV.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 02, 2012, 11:41:22 PM
SEGA is in trouble? That's news to me. They just finished their publishing deal with Platinum Games, they made Sonic Colors and Generations, they're currently working on Sonic 4 Episode 2 and Phantasy Star Online 2. Not to mention the new IP's like Valkeria Chronicles.


SEGA has done a lot the past few years. If they really were in trouble, then they wouldn't have spent the time and effort in developing/publishing those big games.


Then again, with them shutting down much of their North American QA and publishing sectors, maybe they're just going to exit the Western market and simply focus on Japan? If they do that, then what will become of the Sonic franchise and its fanbase?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 11:52:12 PM
A company can make a lot of products while being in debt. Sega was pretty much in debt from like 1993-2003 and still released lots of stuff.
Title: Re: Wii U less powerful than PS360, Developers say...
Post by: millerball on April 03, 2012, 03:28:48 AM
Wii Less Powerful than PS360, according to two anonymous developers

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-02-wii-u-less-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-02-wii-u-less-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say)



I don't doubt this at all. If you want non-pixel counters to recognize a visual jump over 360/PS3 you'd have to make the system ridiculously powerful. A cheaper and smaller system is probably better than a 2-5x hardware bump that most people won't even notice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 03, 2012, 04:17:23 AM
Unless I am mistaken, but haven't NAMED developers stated it is at least as powerful as PS3/360 if not more powerful? Why are we believing anonymous developers if that is the case when larger, known, developers have stated the opposite?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ejamer on April 03, 2012, 04:25:12 AM
Unless I am mistaken, but haven't NAMED developers stated it is at least as powerful as PS3/360 if not more powerful? Why are we believing anonymous developers if that is the case when larger, known, developers have stated the opposite?


Why?  Because we all know that Nintendo will go cheap on the hardware to keep entry costs low and stay profitable, and it wouldn't be a surprise to see them release new hardware that is closer to the previous generation than push any boundaries on the technical side.


That said, not many people seem to really believe these anonymous statements - or at least not that they represent the full story.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 03, 2012, 06:00:58 AM
Unless I am mistaken, but haven't NAMED developers stated it is at least as powerful as PS3/360 if not more powerful? Why are we believing anonymous developers if that is the case when larger, known, developers have stated the opposite?


Why?  Because we all know that Nintendo will go cheap on the hardware to keep entry costs low and stay profitable, and it wouldn't be a surprise to see them release new hardware that is closer to the previous generation than push any boundaries on the technical side.


That said, not many people seem to really believe these anonymous statements - or at least not that they represent the full story.

But we have far more reputable developers stating otherwise. So wouldn't that override any other "anonymous" rumor out there? I understand people are upset with the Wii being under-powered, but unlike the Wii we have some pretty solid, provable, statements from reputable people that the system is at LEAST on par with 360 and PS3, if not more powerful.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 03, 2012, 06:51:17 AM
The Wii is the only console Nintendo really skimped on power. Even the original DS was an appropriate jump from GBA. Sony just leapfrogged Nintendo in the hopes that people would be drawn to PSP. We all know how that ended up for them.

3DS is an extremely capable system. It only looks weak next to Vita which is also not doing as well as 3DS. I really don't think there's reason to worry about Wii U's hardware. Didn't Nintendo ask for 3rd party input when developing 3DS? Besides the missing right circle pad, they got it mostly right. I presume Nintendo asked for similar input with Wii U. If Nintendo went to them and said that the hardware is less capable than current generation consoles, most of them would raise and eyebrow. If they requested input and took it to heart, they probably would have started with rectifying issues developers had with current systems like PS3's split memory. No one seems to be a fan of that.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 03, 2012, 10:20:12 AM
I dunno why we're even entertaining those comments. They don't make a lot a sense, and were likely just written up to draw hits or be an April Fools gag. It's funny how one ANONYMOUS source gets everyone worked up after we've already heard from real people.

SEGA is in trouble? That's news to me. They just finished their publishing deal with Platinum Games, they made Sonic Colors and Generations, they're currently working on Sonic 4 Episode 2 and Phantasy Star Online 2. Not to mention the new IP's like Valkeria Chronicles.


SEGA has done a lot the past few years. If they really were in trouble, then they wouldn't have spent the time and effort in developing/publishing those big games.


Then again, with them shutting down much of their North American QA and publishing sectors, maybe they're just going to exit the Western market and simply focus on Japan? If they do that, then what will become of the Sonic franchise and its fanbase?

SEGA has been in trouble for a while. Their risk for going under has just been increasing as the company is getting ready to post a massive loss. And being in debt doesn't mean that a company completely stops the day to day operations. That's typically how companies get out of debt.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 03, 2012, 01:22:36 PM
One anonymous sources gets us worked up because we're scared.  Nintendo skimping on the hardware again is the worst case scenario and the number one fear about the Wii U.  This is what we don't want and we're scared it could happen so the slighest hint of that occuring and we're shitting bricks.

I don't think the source is correct, I just think it COULD be correct.  Until Nintendo officially releases the specs, I'm not going to relax about it.  And if Nintendo doesn't release the specs, then the Wii U IS underpowered.  The whole reason they were all coy about the specs last time was because they knew the Wii was a glorified last-gen machine and wanted to hide that potentially damaging information for as long as possible.
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Post by: Ceric on April 03, 2012, 01:46:05 PM
IF all the third party games look great and aren't limited at E3 then it could be powered by a hamster for all I care.  There has been enough information already out to know that in the first set of Dev hardware it was at least as powerful as PS360.  Some Developers had already ported some of there games fully to the test hardware with no issue and only Nintendo saying they couldn't show it stopping them.  We know that.  We also know that the hardware itself has only gotten vastly better since the E3 Dev Kits.
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Post by: Adrock on April 03, 2012, 02:41:45 PM
And if Nintendo doesn't release the specs, then the Wii U IS underpowered.
Flawed logic is flawed. Nintendo didn't release the specs of 3DS. If nothing else, they're consistent. They haven't released specs since the GameCube (possibly DS) so that seems more like an Iwata policy than anything else. I think Nintendo was ahead of the times with the whole "specs don't matter" thing. They don't. Ultimately, you don't play specs; you play games and Nintendo hasn't stopped making great games despite their dated hardware. In 2006, you could still see the difference in games. However, we're reaching a point of diminishing returns. How much better are games going to look? How much further can they push those boundaries before it's almost a waste to do so?

I'm really not worried about the specs. Whoever is posting these comments from annonymous sources is clearly looking for a story.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 03, 2012, 04:31:02 PM
And if Nintendo doesn't release the specs, then the Wii U IS underpowered.
Flawed logic is flawed. Nintendo didn't release the specs of 3DS. If nothing else, they're consistent.

Perhaps it is just their policy now but there is justification to hide the 3DS specs and again it has to do with the Wii.  Revealing the 3DS specs further exposes the inadequecy of the Wii.  Nintendo's handheld is more powerful than their console?  This isn't a good thing to promote.

Specs don't matter... until third party developers refuse to make games for your system despite it having the most sales because it's too weak to include in multiplatform development.

Plus buying a new system is expensive.  If Nintendo is to convince me to upgrade from one console to the next they better provide some noticable improvement.  There has to be some justification to create games for a new console instead of an existing one.  With the Wii it was like they just re-released the Gamecube with a new hat.  Yeah I can't play Wii Sports on the Gamecube, but only because Nintendo decided to release the Wiimote as the standard controller for a new system, instead of as an accessory for the old one.  I understand the business reason to start fresh but from a technical perspective there was no reason to make me buy a whole new system.

This applies to all console makers.  If the PS4 is a glorified PS3 with used games locked out, that's a borderline scam.  A new system should allow for games that cannot be done on the old hardware.  If the SNES was just a slightly spruced up NES (say SMS level graphics) with a six button controller it would justifiably be seen as a huge rip-off.  You have to provide some value to justify asking everyone to pay for a brand new system.  The Wii got away with it because they targetted a large group of new users and thus were not asking them to pay for an upgrade that wasn't really an upgrade.  If Sony or MS, who were trying to get an existing customerbase to upgrade, tried that crap it would have bombed.  A follow-up to the incredibly popular PS2 that is essentially a PS2.5?  That would have been a disaster.  The Wii worked because the Gamecube wasn't very successful so there were less people being asked to upgrade (and those that were were largely loyal Nintendo fans).  It was like a Gamecube do-over.  But they can't do that again.  The Wii was successful so they have to follow it up and expect the existing Wii userbase to upgrade.  They can't just sell a Wii 1.5.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 03, 2012, 04:49:15 PM
SEGA has been in trouble for a while.

That's an understatement. They've been in trouble since like 1994, which was 18 years ago. They've been able to hang on all this time, but its been a downward spiral, and no one can deny being forced to go 3rd party was a major blow at least psychologically if nothing else.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 03, 2012, 04:52:40 PM
Plus buying a new system is expensive.  If Nintendo is to convince me to upgrade from one console to the next they better provide some noticable improvement.  There has to be some justification to create games for a new console instead of an existing one.  With the Wii it was like they just re-released the Gamecube with a new hat.  Yeah I can't play Wii Sports on the Gamecube, but only because Nintendo decided to release the Wiimote as the standard controller for a new system, instead of as an accessory for the old one.  I understand the business reason to start fresh but from a technical perspective there was no reason to make me buy a whole new system.

This applies to all console makers.  If the PS4 is a glorified PS3 with used games locked out, that's a borderline scam.  A new system should allow for games that cannot be done on the old hardware.  If the SNES was just a slightly spruced up NES (say SMS level graphics) with a six button controller it would justifiably be seen as a huge rip-off.  You have to provide some value to justify asking everyone to pay for a brand new system.  The Wii got away with it because they targetted a large group of new users and thus were not asking them to pay for an upgrade that wasn't really an upgrade.  If Sony or MS, who were trying to get an existing customerbase to upgrade, tried that crap it would have bombed.  A follow-up to the incredibly popular PS2 that is essentially a PS2.5?  That would have been a disaster.  The Wii worked because the Gamecube wasn't very successful so there were less people being asked to upgrade (and those that were were largely loyal Nintendo fans).  It was like a Gamecube do-over.  But they can't do that again.  The Wii was successful so they have to follow it up and expect the existing Wii userbase to upgrade.  They can't just sell a Wii 1.5.

Have you not seen the tech demo's because the Wii U is far beyond the Wii in terms of power.  Once again, we have seen at a minimum what the Wii U is capable of doing from last year's E3 and it's a huge difference from the Wii.

Zelda Demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHNcSMXaBk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHNcSMXaBk)

Japanese Garden Demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Nsa06KRLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Nsa06KRLo)


Both of these demo's were done on early Wii U hardware which is weaker then the final hardware.  Both of these demo's already look better then nearly everything on the 360/PS3.  If the early Wii U hardware was already above the 360/PS3, this proves the final hardware will have a significant difference in power.  This proves that any source that says the system is actually weaker is outright lying because the actual video's prove differently.

Unlike Microsoft and Sony who show fake FMV's for their tech demo's that look better then what the final games look like, Nintendo's early tech demo's are actually done on real hardware and always look weaker then what the final system can do because Nintendo actually makes them on the early hardware.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 03, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
Yes, and both of those Demos were done with no AI or other programing required for a real game.  Yes, I think Nintendo's games will look nice, and it will be better than the current systems...leaps and bounds better?  No, but better.  We will have to see what Nintendo does with the experiences overall. 

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Post by: Adrock on April 03, 2012, 06:24:44 PM
Perhaps it is just their policy now but there is justification to hide the 3DS specs and again it has to do with the Wii.  Revealing the 3DS specs further exposes the inadequecy of the Wii.  Nintendo's handheld is more powerful than their console?  This isn't a good thing to promote.
Really? Why would it matter? Nintendo made boatloads of money on the Wii and their own development resources had already begun shifting at that point to Wii U.
Yes, and both of those Demos were done with no AI or other programing required for a real game.
Wouldn't that be handled by the CPU? Those demos give a good indication of what ATi's GPU can do so unless Nintendo plans on putting a really shitty CPU in there, there's really nothing to worry about on that front.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 03, 2012, 08:04:04 PM
Plus buying a new system is expensive.  If Nintendo is to convince me to upgrade from one console to the next they better provide some noticable improvement.  There has to be some justification to create games for a new console instead of an existing one.  With the Wii it was like they just re-released the Gamecube with a new hat.  Yeah I can't play Wii Sports on the Gamecube, but only because Nintendo decided to release the Wiimote as the standard controller for a new system, instead of as an accessory for the old one.  I understand the business reason to start fresh but from a technical perspective there was no reason to make me buy a whole new system.

This applies to all console makers.  If the PS4 is a glorified PS3 with used games locked out, that's a borderline scam.  A new system should allow for games that cannot be done on the old hardware.  If the SNES was just a slightly spruced up NES (say SMS level graphics) with a six button controller it would justifiably be seen as a huge rip-off.  You have to provide some value to justify asking everyone to pay for a brand new system.  The Wii got away with it because they targetted a large group of new users and thus were not asking them to pay for an upgrade that wasn't really an upgrade.  If Sony or MS, who were trying to get an existing customerbase to upgrade, tried that crap it would have bombed.  A follow-up to the incredibly popular PS2 that is essentially a PS2.5?  That would have been a disaster.  The Wii worked because the Gamecube wasn't very successful so there were less people being asked to upgrade (and those that were were largely loyal Nintendo fans).  It was like a Gamecube do-over.  But they can't do that again.  The Wii was successful so they have to follow it up and expect the existing Wii userbase to upgrade.  They can't just sell a Wii 1.5.

Have you not seen the tech demo's because the Wii U is far beyond the Wii in terms of power.  Once again, we have seen at a minimum what the Wii U is capable of doing from last year's E3 and it's a huge difference from the Wii.

Zelda Demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHNcSMXaBk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHNcSMXaBk)

Japanese Garden Demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Nsa06KRLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Nsa06KRLo)


Both of these demo's were done on early Wii U hardware which is weaker then the final hardware.  Both of these demo's already look better then nearly everything on the 360/PS3.  If the early Wii U hardware was already above the 360/PS3, this proves the final hardware will have a significant difference in power.  This proves that any source that says the system is actually weaker is outright lying because the actual video's prove differently.

Unlike Microsoft and Sony who show fake FMV's for their tech demo's that look better then what the final games look like, Nintendo's early tech demo's are actually done on real hardware and always look weaker then what the final system can do because Nintendo actually makes them on the early hardware.


This. People need to realize that Nintendo isn't trying to directly compete with Microsoft and Sony. They are in their own bubble. For Nintendo, the Wii U is a huge leap ahead in terms of technology and graphics.
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Post by: Adrock on April 03, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
Nintendo can try to play it off that they're aren't competing with Sony and MS but they really are. If you buy a Sony/MS console or game, you didn't buy a Nintendo console/game. Nintendo wants people to spend money on their wares.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 03, 2012, 08:32:57 PM
Nintendo can try to play it off that they're aren't competing with Sony and MS but they really are. If you buy a Sony/MS console or game, you didn't buy a Nintendo console/game. Nintendo wants people to spend money on their wares.


So would the same thing apply to the 3DS competing with Apple (iPod / iPhone / iPad), Android, and Windows Phone 7? They all play games.
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Post by: Adrock on April 03, 2012, 08:53:39 PM
In a way, yes. As a company, I'm sure Nintendo understands that people buy phones, for example, because they need phones. In terms of gaming dollars and time, Nintendo is competing with iOS and Android. Of course, they can coexist but Nintendo is still competing with all of these companies that threaten their bottom line, whether directly (Sony/MS with dedicated gaming devices) or indirectly (Apple with devices that play games but not as a primary function).
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Post by: Kairon on April 03, 2012, 09:50:34 PM
Actually, that IS pretty close to what Nintendo, or Iwata, actually implies. This last gen Iwata's rhetoric has had this messiah complex tinge to it where it almost sounds as if Nintendo feels they have to compete against all the possible ways people spend their entertainment time and dollars in order to preserve "videogaming" against irrelevance. Especially when going after the blue ocean gamer, they know they have to compete for attention with movies, books, tv, etc.

I think it's probably more accurate to say that Nintendo isn't competing JUST against Sony and MS. They see themselves as part of a bigger entertainment picture, where a bevy of factors aside from hardware musculature are of great import.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 03, 2012, 10:12:51 PM
Yeah I can't play Wii Sports on the Gamecube, but only because Nintendo decided to release the Wiimote as the standard controller for a new system, instead of as an accessory for the old one.  I understand the business reason to start fresh but from a technical perspective there was no reason to make me buy a whole new system.
Could you buy an accessory for Miis, online play, the digital game store, more space on discs, and everything else the Wii brought with it? I know there was technically online on the GameCube, though it wasn't wireless so it wasn't as practical. The Wii brought a lot more than just the Wiimote, and if there were a hypothetical accessory for all its features, it would cost more than what a Wii does, function less smoothly, and be one ugly monstrosity.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 04, 2012, 02:03:42 PM
Yeah I can't play Wii Sports on the Gamecube, but only because Nintendo decided to release the Wiimote as the standard controller for a new system, instead of as an accessory for the old one.  I understand the business reason to start fresh but from a technical perspective there was no reason to make me buy a whole new system.
Could you buy an accessory for Miis, online play, the digital game store, more space on discs, and everything else the Wii brought with it? I know there was technically online on the GameCube, though it wasn't wireless so it wasn't as practical. The Wii brought a lot more than just the Wiimote, and if there were a hypothetical accessory for all its features, it would cost more than what a Wii does, function less smoothly, and be one ugly monstrosity.

No one would buy a new console entirely for the Mii's, digital game store and more space on discs.  Those are rinky-dinky improvements.  They're important but they aren't the selling point.  That's like if the N64 had the four controller ports and that was it.  As for online the Gamecube was supposed to be online and Nintendo promoted the feature when I bought a Cube and then essentially backed out of it.  So that doesn't count.  Features you promised and then cancelled don't count.  There is no excuse for Nintendo to not go online with the Cube.  "Remember those vague online plans we were never specific about and then just dropped altogether?  Now you can enjoy them... by buying a new console!"  What a fucking rip-off!
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 04, 2012, 02:24:56 PM
There is no excuse for Nintendo to not go online with the Cube.

Actually, there was an excuse: the Gamecube did poorly. I honestly think when Nintendo was promising online with the Cube they probably really meant that, but then the system bombed and third party support was almost non-existent. I think that's what forced them to change their plans.

The same is probably true with the 64DD addon which they promised for the N64. At the time, they probably thought the developer support would be there, and that the N64 itself would sell a lot better than it did. Not that the N64 did poorly by any means, but it didn't reach the NES or SNES level of success. So when things change and don't measure up to your expectations sometimes its necessary to alter your plans to accept the reality of the situation.

I don't know what all Nintendo has planned for the Wii U or might promise us with that, but if the Wii U bombs or just doesn't do as well as expected those plans may be altered or scrapped.
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Post by: Ceric on April 04, 2012, 02:33:22 PM
There is no excuse for Nintendo to not go online with the Cube.

Actually, there was an excuse: the Gamecube did poorly. I honestly think when Nintendo was promising online with the Cube they probably really meant that, but then the system bombed and third party support was almost non-existent. I think that's what forced them to change their plans.

The same is probably true with the 64DD addon which they promised for the N64. At the time, they probably thought the developer support would be there, and that the N64 itself would sell a lot better than it did. Not that the N64 did poorly by any means, but it didn't reach the NES or SNES level of success. So when things change and don't measure up to your expectations sometimes its necessary to alter your plans to accept the reality of the situation.

I don't know what all Nintendo has planned for the Wii U or might promise us with that, but if the Wii U bombs or just doesn't do as well as expected those plans may be altered or scrapped.
The big difference between GCN being online and the DD drive was that the Gamecube had the hardware for it in the market.  Nintendo should have tried to go online with there games.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 04, 2012, 04:50:54 PM
No one would buy a new console entirely for the Mii's, digital game store and more space on discs. Those are rinky-dinky improvements.  They're important but they aren't the selling point
Actually, I recall lots of people finding the Miis to be a large part of the charm of the Wii in the first couple of years. The Virtual Console also received a lot of praise for a while, so I have no doubt it's one of the reasons that people bought a Wii. Larger discs may not seem very important, but many games like Super Mario Galaxy could not be on the GameCube in their current form (even assuming the GameCube could push the graphics), as the data is too large to fit on a GameCube disc. You can discount online if you want, but the fact is, it practically didn't happen on the GameCube and the Wii did it a lot better than the GameCube could have. Did Nintendo actually promise online on the GameCube, or did they just toss out the Broadband Adapter for third-parties to use? I don't recall Nintendo ever talking about using it themselves, but I could be mistaken.

If most of the features of the Wii don't appeal to you, that's your prerogative. But they appeal to lots of other people, and I don't think any one of them on their own was a sole selling point. The complete Wii package is what sold it to people, and none of those things individually could have worked as well on the GameCube, much less been successful.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 04, 2012, 05:38:42 PM
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Did Nintendo actually promise online on the GameCube, or did they just toss out the Broadband Adapter for third-parties to use? I don't recall Nintendo ever talking about using it themselves, but I could be mistaken.

Nintendo showed off both the broadband adapter and dial-up modem when they debuted the Gamecube.  They were asked about their online plan and gave vague answers about revealing the details at a later date.  That was actually the norm as MS and Sony did not have solidly stated plans right off the bat either.  Technically they didn't say "we're going to make online games" but they didn't say they weren't until years after the Cube was out.  It was a feature the system supported and it was clearly implied that Nintendo themselves would support it.  Why wouldn't you assume that?  When did any videogame company release a peripheral and not support it themselves?  It was also assumed that they would provide some sort of development kit to third parties about the broadband adapter and they didn't.  Everyone was just on their own and naturally only one company supported it.
 
Technically they didn't promise anything but it was clear that people would interpret it the way they did.  Sega didn't state outright "hey we're only going to support this 32X thing for like a year" but people were still pissed at them and rightfully so.  The implication was that they would support it longer.  I don't like to play lawyerball.  Nintendo also didn't promise us anything with the infamous Spaceworld Zelda footage but it was clear that every sane person was going to assume that the new Zelda game would look somewhat like that.  For that and the online thing Nintendo either operated in bad faith, allowing us to assume one thing when they knew it was the opposite, OR they're really really DUMB to be so oblivious as to how we would come to these assumptions.  Are they dicks or idiots?  I think they were idiots on the Zelda thing and dicks on the online one. Odds are they didn't know yet if they would or would not make online games so they kept it vague and then backed out later and didn't care if it would upset their existing userbase.
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Post by: MegaByte on April 04, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
Larger discs may not seem very important, but many games like Super Mario Galaxy could not be on the GameCube in their current form (even assuming the GameCube could push the graphics), as the data is too large to fit on a GameCube disc.
Many of the Wii games that are too big to fit on a GC disc are due to the use of a relatively uncompressed video format, Super Mario Galaxy included.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 04, 2012, 06:11:42 PM
Nintendo showed off both the broadband adapter and dial-up modem when they debuted the Gamecube...
Ah, I had forgotten about that. I never really paid attention to online back then, but if they debuted the adapter with the GameCube and things were like you explained, I can see how that made it seem like it would be something more than it was.

Many of the Wii games that are too big to fit on a GC disc are due to the use of a relatively uncompressed video format, Super Mario Galaxy included.
Doesn't more compression equal lower quality, though?
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Post by: MegaByte on April 04, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
Not if you're using more modern compression algorithms. Anyway, Nintendo just bought a company to do that.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 04, 2012, 06:29:44 PM
Didn't Mario Kart DD (and possibly a few other games) make use of the broadband adapter thing for local LAN party play? I know that's not online, but it would count as official Nintendo support of the peripheral.

But as far as bad faith and all that, I don't think it was Nintendo's intention to introduce those peripherals and then have them not receive any support. Why would they go through the hassle and not to mention the cost of making something which serves no purpose? That's why I genuinely believe Nintendo intended for those peripherals to see a lot more use than they did. Maybe Nintendo didn't support them directly like they should have, but 3rd parties should also be blamed for either not making use of it or just not even supporting the Gamecube period.

Even in multiplatform online games which did make it to the GC the online capability was cut out of the GC port. There was no good reason for that becasue the peripherals did exist. But you can't blame Nintendo for that.
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Post by: Tamazoid on April 05, 2012, 12:17:54 AM
But no third party would support online without an online strategy from Nintendo (Besides Sega). It would involve too much work for them in regards to creating the infrastructural for online play and I doubt it would have been worth it for third parties. That's why some third parties supported online for the Wii because Nintendo supported and made it a fully fledged feature of the Wii. Nintendo can't just half heartily release a feature and expect it to take off without little input from them. You can't expect third parties to pick up and fix your mistakes.


Nintendo pushed GBA functionality with the GC more than online and it was a dismal failure. I bet that it would have been reverse if they had pushed and supported online instead.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 05, 2012, 01:28:14 PM
So Nintendo has responded to comments about the Wii U's lack of power: http://wii.ign.com/articles/122/1222399p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/122/1222399p1.html)
 
In typical Nintendo fashion they made sure to word things in a way that will cause MORE damage.  They say that the "experience of play" is what is important and that "We do not focus on technology specs."
 
So is the Wii U underpowered and they're clearly dodging the question or is Nintendo just too oblivious to realize that this sort of answer does more to confirm the negative in people's mind?  It's like when everyone suspects a celebrity is gay and when asked about it he responds something like "I don't think one's personal life is anyone's business" which of course means he IS gay because if he wasn't he would just say "no, I'm not".  Nintendo can kill this whole thing in a second by saying "the Wii U will be more powerful than any videogame system currently on the market" but they don't.  So why wouldn't I assume it IS underpowered?  Why dodge the question when the honest answer will do no damage and will completely kill the issue?
 
Either it is underpowered or Nintendo is DUH-UH-UMB.  Either one is pretty believable.
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Post by: Kairon on April 05, 2012, 01:53:52 PM
Apparently, Nintendo thinks that they are above idle gossip.
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Post by: Adrock on April 05, 2012, 01:59:03 PM
If a celebrity asked about being gay said he wasn't gay, the media would spin it to make him sound homophobic or something. The media is always looking for a story. This is called a no-win situation. Nintendo opted to stay consistent with their own stance on specs. This is only damaging if you already have a negative view on things. Otherwise, it's Thursday. What else is new?

Additionally, this rep probably doesn't know anything anyway and is just towing the company line with a stock answer to an old question. If people are readying an army of raisins hoping for a PR person to dole out a major scoop, they're going to be sorely disappointed. My previous sentence was inspired by Annie Edison.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 05, 2012, 02:17:54 PM
If the rep doesn't know I think a better non-answer would be something like "all details about the Wii U will be revealed when we feel it is the appropriate time.  Until then anything you hear is just uncomfirmed rumours."  Instead the rep basically told us that what we're concerned about doesn't matter anyway.  Not that our concerns were unfounded but that what we were concerned about doesn't matter.  I remember when CDs didn't matter and online gaming didn't matter or how specs didn't matter with the Wii.
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Post by: Adrock on April 05, 2012, 02:28:13 PM
One could argue that specs didn't matter with the Wii.

One could also argue that most people aren't concerned about this. There's more than enough reason to blow off these anonymous sources starting with their anonymity. People with faces and names have already had good things to say about the hardware. Why are you so attached to unconfirmed reports?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 05, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
It's not what the rep knows, it's what Nintendo as a company wants to say. The official stance is "Specs don't matter, the experience does," and that's  basically what was said. Nintendo is just sticking to its guns on this one.


New Thought: Maybe Nintendo doesn't want to give specs because it would give Sony and MS too much of a benchmark? If they're next consoles are as close to being done as rumors say, you wouldn't want them to say they're gonna beat that (eventhough they have to and will).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 05, 2012, 02:41:14 PM
I saw this yesterday and had the same thoughts as Ian. Though despite having a very powerful console, I see Nintendo as being ever so humble and I knew they'd respond exactly the way they did. Even if they are just being stubborn to stay consistent with statements like that from earlier this gen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 05, 2012, 04:46:10 PM
It's like when everyone suspects a celebrity is gay and when asked about it he responds something like "I don't think one's personal life is anyone's business" which of course means he IS gay because if he wasn't he would just say "no, I'm not". 
If you really think that argument holds water, then apparently, you are just as stupid and narrow minded as the masses. Come on Ian, I expect better than that from you.
"If you've got nothing to hide, then why don't you answer the question?" "Because I don't fucking have to, that's why. Just cuz you asked, doesn't mean I have to tell you sweet-fVck-all." This is the correct reponse to all questions of a personal or confidential nature, whether or not you have "something to hide."
I realize this may have little or nothing to do with Nintendo's corporate rresponse to questions about " WiiU Powah".
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 05, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
It's like when everyone suspects a celebrity is gay and when asked about it he responds something like "I don't think one's personal life is anyone's business" which of course means he IS gay because if he wasn't he would just say "no, I'm not". 
If you really think that argument holds water, then apparently, you are just as stupid and narrow minded as the masses. Come on Ian, I expect better than that from you.
"If you've got nothing to hide, then why don't you answer the question?" "Because I don't fucking have to, that's why. Just cuz you asked, doesn't mean I have to tell you sweet-fVck-all." This is the correct reponse to all questions of a personal or confidential nature, whether or not you have "something to hide."
I realize this may have little or nothing to do with Nintendo's corporate rresponse to questions about " WiiU Powah".

I don't want like police randomly asking people "are you commiting crimes?" and such but if you're asked something and the truthful answer will get everyone off your back and is not damaging or embarassing or controversial in any way whatsoever, it's kind of stupid to not just answer it and relieve yourself of any hassle.  I guess instead of just assuming that one is stupid or hiding something, you can add "needlessly stubborn and bad at picking their battles" as an option.

New Thought: Maybe Nintendo doesn't want to give specs because it would give Sony and MS too much of a benchmark? If they're next consoles are as close to being done as rumors say, you wouldn't want them to say they're gonna beat that (eventhough they have to and will).

Well I don't expect them to just outright give us the specs right now but they don't have to do that to squash this negative rumour.  It isn't top secret information to state that the Wii U is more powerful than the existing consoles.  That's the expectation.  If it ISN'T then what does Sony or MS even have to do in reaction to it?  And the specs will come out prior to Sony and MS releasing their next systems.  That's just what Nintendo has to deal with with going first.  Even if they say nothing once the system is available for purchase, tech savy people can just buy it, open it up, and let everyone know what they see.  Hiding the specs is futile.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 05, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
Well, the only good thing about the Wii U being less powerful than the current HD systems is that would make Nintendo hitting that $249.99 or even $199.99 price point doable.

That said, if it does indeed end up being less powerful than the PS360 then I'm afraid I will have to pass, but I will wish Nintendo well in their future endeavors.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 05, 2012, 05:46:46 PM
What doesn't make sense to me is why we are all of a sudden hearing the exact opposite of what we have been hearing for the last few months.

The rumors were all telling us this thing was a small powerhouse, but we are hearing it is still a limp wristed toy? 

Have new dev kits gone out recently with a massive spec nerf or something?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 05, 2012, 05:51:32 PM
Until Nintendo confirms it one way or another we won't know how powerful the Wii U is. Then again, they may just end up doing exactly what they did with the Wii and not give the specs at all. To this date everything we know about the Wii's internal guts is from unauthorized leaks. The Wii U may also end up that way, and if it is we won't know the details until after it launches and some tech savvy individual dissects it.

I have a theory that the reason they are being evasive isn't that it is weaker than the PS360, but rather that it is weaker than the PS420. Maybe that's what Nintendo wants to keep under wraps. Being weaker than the PS420 is acceptable, and I think its expected by pretty much everyone. But at the same time, its not something for Nintendo to be proud of either, so maybe that's why they evade the question.

Maybe Nintendo doesn't realize that evading the question is being interpreted as implying that the Wii U is weaker than the PS360.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 05, 2012, 06:13:02 PM
Nintendo isn't going to release the specs. We should all expect this by now. The difference here in 2012 is that the hardware may have actually reached a point where Nintendo can say "specs don't matter" and most people will probably respond, "Okay, fine." In previous generations, we would be seeing developers struggling with the hardware after a few years on the market in order to realize their vision. Looks at some of the games coming out at the end of the year and even stuff that came out in the past 2. I don't know about any of you guys but I don't see games in the future making the current crop look dated.
What doesn't make sense to me is why we are all of a sudden hearing the exact opposite of what we have been hearing for the last few months.
Click bait. Remember all of those "insiders" back in 2005-2006 who ended all of their blog posts with nonsense like "Stay tuned. The Revolution is coming!"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 05, 2012, 07:50:20 PM
The CEO of Take Two has recently made a statement that THQ will not last another six monsths sue to their financial situation. What does this mean for Darksiders 2 for the Wii U? The gaming industry seems to be in a bad times with SEGA just recently admitting their own financial turmoil.
 
 
http://kotaku.com/5899537/grand-theft-auto-publisher-thq-wont-be-around-in-six-months (http://kotaku.com/5899537/grand-theft-auto-publisher-thq-wont-be-around-in-six-months)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2012, 11:51:05 PM
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/04/wii-u-launch-date-set-for-november-18-2012-report/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/04/wii-u-launch-date-set-for-november-18-2012-report/)

some people may want to reevaluate their choice of launch date in the appropriate thread before it's too late (myself included) ;)




...or maybe not considering that site still has up their story about 768MB of embedded DRAM in the Wii U.
and the story that puts words in the mouth of Take Two and their financial report regarding GTAV.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/342798/more-evidence-points-to-wii-u-november-18-release-date/

summary: GameStop agrees and has the same date.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 05, 2012, 11:56:28 PM
Back to Neils point that is the traditional date.
Personally I don't think its a good idea to launch it on that date this time but they'll do what they do.
Title: Nintendo Grand Prix?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2012, 12:26:07 AM
Nintendo working on a GT/Forza of their own?
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-nintendo-s-answer-to-gran-turismo-and-forza-in-development-?utm_source=dlvr.it (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-nintendo-s-answer-to-gran-turismo-and-forza-in-development-?utm_source=dlvr.it)
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Nintendo is working on their killer app simulation racer for Wii U that is designed to put GT and Forza on their heels.
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Their newest project, which our source (who has insight of Nintendo developments) refers to as "Concept Grand Prix", is in development by Lucid Games made up of ex-Developers of Bizarre Creations (Fur Fighters, Project Gotham Racing, Blur).

Concept Grand Prix is expected to provide extremely realistic physics, with controls and gameplay similar to Project Gotham.


There are more details at the link if you're interested. I'm not, as I prefer my racing to be a little more on the arcadey side than the straight up real-life simulator side of things.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 06, 2012, 12:39:25 AM
Not really a sim racing fan. Forza Motorsport 3 is a little bit fun, but I mainly played it because I got it for free (along with a digital version of Alan Wake when I bought the slim Xbox 360) and saw I could get a few easy Achievement Points. I know plenty of people do like them though, so I hope this is true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on April 06, 2012, 01:18:17 AM
All this talk of hardware upsets me. From what we had seen at E3, I really thought this machine would be more powerful than the PS360. But people claiming that it doesn't seem up to par just makes me wonder if I'm going to feel bad about being "a step behind" everyone else for owning a Wii U instead of these next gen Microsoft/Sony machines.

But then again, I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games... because they're damn good. And when people commit to their hardware, they make good things too- the 3DS is a great example of this, with its third party games being pretty good. I think Nintendo's main focus with this next console, really, is going to be how you can use the controller to enhance online playability. I think this is Nintendo's "online age" beginning. And I hope that people respond to it well, because we could end up getting some really cool stuff from it.

HD Zelda doesn't hurt, either.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 06, 2012, 01:21:21 AM
Don't worry, the only people claiming it isn't up to par are some unknown "developers". People who aren't afraid to go on record have said it is more than powerful enough, including Mark Rein (notorious for being a tech-snob) and lots of developers who have gotten their hands on it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 06, 2012, 01:30:10 AM
Nintendo working on a GT/Forza of their own?
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-nintendo-s-answer-to-gran-turismo-and-forza-in-development-?utm_source=dlvr.it (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-nintendo-s-answer-to-gran-turismo-and-forza-in-development-?utm_source=dlvr.it)
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Nintendo is working on their killer app simulation racer for Wii U that is designed to put GT and Forza on their heels.
Quote
Their newest project, which our source (who has insight of Nintendo developments) refers to as "Concept Grand Prix", is in development by Lucid Games made up of ex-Developers of Bizarre Creations (Fur Fighters, Project Gotham Racing, Blur).

Concept Grand Prix is expected to provide extremely realistic physics, with controls and gameplay similar to Project Gotham.


There are more details at the link if you're interested. I'm not, as I prefer my racing to be a little more on the arcadey side than the straight up real-life simulator side of things.

RAD RACER 2! Oh sweet deliciousness!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 06, 2012, 01:44:00 AM
GAF has once again turned into a festering swamp of Nintendo trolls. I think I prefer to get my rumors in this thread, filtered by BlackNMild and CaterKiller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 06, 2012, 03:35:25 AM
All this talk of hardware upsets me. From what we had seen at E3, I really thought this machine would be more powerful than the PS360. But people claiming that it doesn't seem up to par just makes me wonder if I'm going to feel bad about being "a step behind" everyone else for owning a Wii U instead of these next gen Microsoft/Sony machines.

But then again, I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games... because they're damn good. And when people commit to their hardware, they make good things too- the 3DS is a great example of this, with its third party games being pretty good. I think Nintendo's main focus with this next console, really, is going to be how you can use the controller to enhance online playability. I think this is Nintendo's "online age" beginning. And I hope that people respond to it well, because we could end up getting some really cool stuff from it.

HD Zelda doesn't hurt, either.


Here this is for you!

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-05-wii-u-competitive-position-has-deteriorated? (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-05-wii-u-competitive-position-has-deteriorated?)

If aren't worried now, you will be after you read this.



And for those of you who just ignore all analysts like me just read this!
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2012/04/nintendos-e3-show-floor-booths-revealed-haptic-technology-is-coming.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2012/04/nintendos-e3-show-floor-booths-revealed-haptic-technology-is-coming.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
The feelable touch screen!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on April 06, 2012, 06:08:01 AM
The Games Industry article is just another analyst taking negative rumors and lack of information to say that Nintendo is a bad bet in the stock market. If I only cared about playing stocks and knew nothing about video games, I guess I would be scared to put money in to Nintendo. Thankfully, I care about video games and, personally, Nintendo has been a consistent performer. The article mentions waiting for E3 2012, and that is stating the obvious.

The haptic technology seems a bit too pricey at the moment for a Nintendo system. I have never seen or handled a haptic screen. It sounds interesting.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 06, 2012, 06:48:45 AM
If aren't worried now, you will be after you read this.
Another day, another analyst.

He loses credibility immediately for claiming Nintendo's stock would be worth more if Nintendo supported iOS/Android then says that the iPad makes Wii U less relevant, especially since Apple is rumored to be releasing controller. There are just so many things wrong with that. Adding a controller to the iPad doesn't make it a gaming device. It can only store at best 64GB worth of games (technically less considering it still has to be an iPad so it has other things on it) and storage is not expandable. Ignoring that and assuming the iPad is a legit threat to the Wii U, he wants Nintendo to willingly give away the biggest advantage to buying Nintendo hardware (Nintendo's own games). That is clearly a textbook case of conflicting interests. Why don't these same supposed problems also apply to Microsoft and Sony? How does this guy have a job?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2012, 09:00:23 AM
And for those of you who just ignore all analysts like me just read this!
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2012/04/nintendos-e3-show-floor-booths-revealed-haptic-technology-is-coming.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2012/04/nintendos-e3-show-floor-booths-revealed-haptic-technology-is-coming.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
The feelable touch screen!

If it is a standard feature in the controller then I really look forward to it. if it's just an add on,        then.... I'll pass. unless it sees incredible support with good games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 06, 2012, 09:59:13 AM
Yeah, there's no way that can be a difference maker if it isn't built into the tablet controller itself right out of the gate. If Nintendo is considering this technology, I hope they learn from the whole Motion Plus thing. The Wii would have benefitted greatly had Motion Plus been available from the start. I know cost was an issue but considering how much more freedom and fluidity it provides, it would have been worth taking the hit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 06, 2012, 10:22:15 AM
The claims from "anonymous developers" that the Wii U is less powerful than the PS360 may have just been FUD paid for by either Sony or Microsoft (or both). Both Sony and Microsoft love using FUD to tear down their competition; Sony used this to great effect against the Dreamcast.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 06, 2012, 11:04:24 AM
And for those of you who just ignore all analysts like me just read this!
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2012/04/nintendos-e3-show-floor-booths-revealed-haptic-technology-is-coming.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2012/04/nintendos-e3-show-floor-booths-revealed-haptic-technology-is-coming.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
The feelable touch screen!

If it is a standard feature in the controller then I really look forward to it. if it's just an add on,        then.... I'll pass. unless it sees incredible support with good games.
I believe I put that on my Reveal bingo sheet that they have that sort of Haptic.  It would be an amazing boon for Nintendo if they have that technology in the uMote.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 06, 2012, 07:24:23 PM
Star Wars MMO for Wii U?


http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/06/lucas-arts-creating-an-mmo-for-wii-u/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/06/lucas-arts-creating-an-mmo-for-wii-u/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 06, 2012, 08:06:49 PM
Strar Wars MMO for Wii U?


http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/06/lucas-arts-creating-an-mmo-for-wii-u/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/06/lucas-arts-creating-an-mmo-for-wii-u/)

A console version of the Old Republic?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 06, 2012, 08:43:22 PM
If LucasArts is creating the game then, no, not The Old Republic. That was developed by BioWare. If it was The Old Republic, I feel they would have just said so since it's already out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2012, 10:17:30 PM
I'm not techie, but to me it sounds like Nintendo is planning a Fixed Function and Programmable Shader hybrid beast of a GPU.

It's raw specs may not wow us, but it's output should more than get the job done.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1634440&postcount=833

I think 3DS shares the same design of Fixed/Programmable shaders on the GPU.
Title: SuperMario4.com
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 12:22:01 AM
Don't want to read anything into this but....


http://SuperMario4.com

http://whois.domaintools.com/supermario4.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/supermario4.com)

We know a new Mario game is coming to 3DS, but will it be a direct sequel to SMB3? or is the name more of a place holder name for now?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 07, 2012, 12:24:24 AM
Doesn't that say Nintendo is looking to sell the URL?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 12:53:42 AM
Well, it also says it was created back in 2007, and that's why I didn't want to read anything into it. Just thought it might draw some people out on a friday nite.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 07, 2012, 02:18:48 AM
If LucasArts is creating the game then, no, not The Old Republic. That was developed by BioWare. If it was The Old Republic, I feel they would have just said so since it's already out.

Why go to all the trouble of making a new one when the Old Republic on home consomes would suffice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 11:19:31 AM
Well, I've just run across some information regarding Wii U from 2 different software kits

1. the Software SDK (aka CAFE) is on version 2.3
2. As of late March engine optimizations have led to a 3x to 4x performance
3. The uMote is referred to as DRC
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on April 07, 2012, 11:25:01 AM
DRC?

Hmm... "direct-response controller," perhaps? Hehe. :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 07, 2012, 11:30:55 AM
Why go to all the trouble of making a new one when the Old Republic on home consomes would suffice.
Is that a real question? Replace "The Old Republic" with any popular game. You're basically asking, "why make anything new when something that already exists would suffice?" As I said, that rumor has LucasArts developing the game and LucasArts didn't develop The Old Republic. The rumor is so vague and based on so little (a map of their E3 booth, really?). It's obviously sensationalized/click-bait and many of us already fell for it so clearly it worked. Let's assume that this is even a thing, who said it has to be a Star Wars game? LucasArts isn't only involved in Star Wars branded things. You may still get The Old Republic on Wii U but just looking at the wording of this rumor, it's not referring to The Old Republic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 11:38:01 AM
Actually I think it's fact that Lucas Arts is registered to show a MMO (Massively Multiplayer Online) for Wii U at E3.
It's rumor that that game will be Star Wars related. a rumor that is likely to be true, but doesn't mean it will be a RPG type game. It could easily be Battlefront III or something else entirely.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 07, 2012, 11:38:19 AM
LucasArts isn't only involved in Star Wars branded things.

Other than the 2009 Steam/Xbox Live Arcade game Lucidity, LucasArts hasn't developed a non-Star Wars game since the 2003 GameCube/Xbox/PlayStation 2 game Gladius. So odds are that this would be a Star Wars game. They have published non-Star Wars games since then, but not developed them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 07, 2012, 11:56:49 AM
Yeah, it's probably a Star Wars game. I was just pointing out that it's not definitely a Star Wars game and that it's not The Old Republic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 07, 2012, 12:24:26 PM
It could be an Indiana Jones game. Lucas owns the franchise, and the 5th movie is in development. It would make sense to have a game to tie in with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on April 07, 2012, 01:04:39 PM
I'm not techie, but to me it sounds like Nintendo is planning a Fixed Function and Programmable Shader hybrid beast of a GPU.

It's raw specs may not wow us, but it's output should more than get the job done.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1634440&postcount=833 (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1634440&postcount=833)

I think 3DS shares the same design of Fixed/Programmable shaders on the GPU.

Someone needs to elaborate on this so a tech newb like myself can better understand.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 07, 2012, 01:31:43 PM
It doesn't really make sense on modern hardware except for two cases... making certain complex effects that would normally be too processor intensive possible (I don't know of any in particular), or simply easier backwards compatibility with Wii. Anything else should be programmable and/or handled by middleware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
I'm not gonna pretend to have a deep understanding of anything on the tech side of things, but wouldn't fixing certain functions make them essentially free since they are hardwired and you no longer have to waste precious GPU function on including them?

so if they could fix the lighting sources like they did with the GC and maybe something like Global illumination, wouldn't that free the dev to spend precious time to go program other stuff like Tesselation and HDR into their games and not have to worry about resources to use GI & other lighting?

the down side being that you either turn the fixed function on or you turn it off like a light switch, instead being able to dial it back like a dimmer switch?

or do I have it all wrong?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 07, 2012, 01:52:18 PM
Right. That stuff could be handled by the middleware unless it's simply not powerful enough to do dynamically (e.g. 3DS).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 08, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/08/wii-u-cost-of-manufacturing-detailed-system-to-retail-for-under-300/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/08/wii-u-cost-of-manufacturing-detailed-system-to-retail-for-under-300/)


Discuss.




Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 08, 2012, 04:32:28 PM
What does NFC stand for?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2012, 04:33:17 PM
Near Field Communication: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_Field_Communication)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 08, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
What does NFC stand for?

Nebraska Fried Chicken
Title: Wii U cost $180 to build?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 06:34:57 PM
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/08/wii-u-cost-of-manufacturing-detailed-system-to-retail-for-under-300/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/08/wii-u-cost-of-manufacturing-detailed-system-to-retail-for-under-300/)
discuss
FZero, I'll actually give you an applaud for new rumors to the thread. (Cater I owe you a few too :P), but you should have linked the actual source.

Rumor: Wii U’s Total Bill of Materials Estimated at $180
and should retail at no less than $300
http://www.forgetthebox.net/mag/culture/forum-m/rumor-wii-u-price.php (http://www.forgetthebox.net/mag/culture/forum-m/rumor-wii-u-price.php)
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Speaking with sources closely involved with manufacturing and distributing Nintendo products, the total cost of materials to manufacture the Wii U console (includes cost of controller) is estimated to be around $180. On top of this, our source tells us the controller’s total bill of materials and components cost no more than $50.

The source goes on to say that Nintendo is assessing the overall market and finalizing costs to determine the price for the Wii U, but it will be no less than $300 retail price when it launches.
Summary:
- total cost of materials to manufacture the Wii U console (includes cost of controller) is estimated to be around $180
- controller’s total bill of materials and components costs no more than $50
- Wii U will be no less than $300 when it launches
- Cost of cameras in system to be $6 and of slightly higher quality than those on the 3DS
- NFC in controller to cost about $5 but expected to quickly fall to about $1
- Touch screen estimated to cost $14

Cost of individual parts doesn't mean it won't be powerful though, so even though I would be a little happy that my estimates for the controller cost would be pretty accurate (and at that cost, I couldn't see why they wouldn't allow atleast 2 on a single system) and that $300 is right about where most of though the price would land, I was actually hoping it would be closer to $350 just for that added boost in capabilities.

But we shall see. As usual, taken with a grain of salt. and I'll update the list pretty soon too.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 08, 2012, 06:58:34 PM
It only costs Nintendo $180, but they will sell it for no less than $300? Isn't that a huge profit margin?

And my concern is if the total manufacturing cost is only $180 then those rumors about it being weaker than the PS360 might actually have some validity to them, and if that's the case that will really suck.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
well, it is sill just a rumor, and as far as we know, Nintendo still hasn't finalized the CPU or the GPU (as I don't think final dev kits have been released internally or externally according to "sources" who are apparently in the know)

But yes, I was hoping it cost north of $250 to put together with a $350 price tag at retail, but whose to say it won't?

I'm not expecting a complete powerhouse of the system, but I'm definitely expecting it to outshine current HD console offering in every way possible (outside of HDD capacity in box)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 08, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
I'm not expecting it to out muscle the PS420 either. The minimum I hope for is that it at least out muscles the current HD systems, and hopefully by as wide of a margin as possible. If it can at least pull ahead of existing systems then I will be satisfied.
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Post by: Shaymin on April 08, 2012, 07:38:47 PM
It only costs Nintendo $180, but they will sell it for no less than $300? Isn't that a huge profit margin?

That's just the cost of manufacturing the stuff that goes in the box. Once you add in marketing expenses, shipping costs, the inevitable packin game, retailer margin... $300 is probably the minimum you could charge and still make a small profit.
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Post by: Ymeegod on April 08, 2012, 07:47:02 PM
Sigh, there's a difference between manufacturing costs and developement, you have to factor in all the middlemen, labor, shipping, retail, so when it's all factor in it's more likely $200+ just to ship and that's without marketting costs.  A good example would be the fisco that was the 3ds, at $250 nintendo was making less than $30 profit even though the reports claimed the system costed less than $110 to make.
Damnit, Shaymin beat me to it :( .
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Post by: Snake-Arms on April 08, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
Wait, am I crazy or did Nintendo not say that the Wii U would likely be a pricey console?

Maybe it's just me, but I don't exactly view $300 as pricey.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 08, 2012, 08:12:20 PM
What, are you rich or something? $300 is pretty pricey.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2012, 08:15:58 PM
Wait, am I crazy or did Nintendo not say that the Wii U would likely be a pricey console?

Maybe it's just me, but I don't exactly view $300 as pricey.

The rumor says the Wii U would be at LEAST $300, meaning that is the lowest it would possibly be. And $300 is not cheap.

Sites iSuppli are interesting, though some people think that the manufacturing costs are the only expenses. As others pointed out, you have to add in money for the retailer, shipping costs, advertising costs, etc.
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Post by: Snake-Arms on April 08, 2012, 08:21:25 PM
Wait, am I crazy or did Nintendo not say that the Wii U would likely be a pricey console?

Maybe it's just me, but I don't exactly view $300 as pricey.

The rumor says the Wii U would be at LEAST $300, meaning that is the lowest it would possibly be. And $300 is not cheap.

Sites iSuppli are interesting, though some people think that the manufacturing costs are the only expenses. As others pointed out, you have to add in money for the retailer, shipping costs, advertising costs, etc.

I know dis, mister. -.-

I was just wondering if someone can confirm Ninty making any comments on the price of the Wii-U.
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Post by: Snake-Arms on April 08, 2012, 08:22:31 PM
What, are you rich or something? $300 is pretty pricey.

No.  The price of the PS3 at launch (which I bought day one) was pricey.  $300 is very nice price for a new console IMO.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 08, 2012, 08:28:34 PM
It only costs Nintendo $180, but they will sell it for no less than $300? Isn't that a huge profit margin?

No, that's just a bill of materials. Labor isn't included nor are selling expenses. There's more to profit margins than just how much the stuff you buy costs. The stuff I mentioned only gets you to gross margin.


EDIT: And "slightly better" cameras? Are you shitting me? Is Nintendo buying the cheapest available cameras again? I really don't wanna find out that the only reason they're not using VGA cameras is because nobody wants to make those anymore.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 08, 2012, 08:30:32 PM
I'm afraid I am getting more and more disheartened by everything I hear now.  I am growing more and more fearful this will be the Wii all over again.  An underpowered machine with a gimmick strapped onto it. 

I never thought I would say this, but if this thing does turn out to be thus I will not be purchasing it until it see it in a bargain bin somewhere.  Which incidently I don't think will be that long a wait.  Can they really pull off a Wii miracle for 2 generations?  I doubt it very much.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 08, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/08/wii-u-cost-of-manufacturing-detailed-system-to-retail-for-under-300/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/04/08/wii-u-cost-of-manufacturing-detailed-system-to-retail-for-under-300/)


Discuss.



It is worrying if the whole system costs $180 for the parts and that includes the controller. If I recall that is even lower then what the parts cost for the Wii when it came out.





I'm not expecting it to out muscle the PS420 either. The minimum I hope for is that it at least out muscles the current HD systems, and hopefully by as wide of a margin as possible. If it can at least pull ahead of existing systems then I will be satisfied.


That is what I hope as well. At the very least have it be comparable to what the Dreamcast was when compared PS2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 08, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
Nintendo is not stupid enough to make a console that is still underpowered compared to its current competition and will still be underpowered when it new competiton arrives in the next few years. What is most likely going to happen is that the Wii U will be vastly more powerful that the PS3 and 360, but Nintendo will still retail it at $299.99 even though Microsoft and Sony will drop the price of their consoles again. This makes sense when figures the probable price of the PS4 and Xbox 720 as being between $349.99 to $499.99. These systems will be more powerful than the Wii U, but the power difference will be so insignificant that third party developers that will already be familiar with the system will have no issue down porting to the Wii U. As for the price of the Wii U, by the time its real competion is released Nintendo will have the benefit of lowering production to a point of selling the the Wii U at $249.99 and still make a profit. It will be the Wii all over again, except this time in a better way.

What is really going to make or break the Wii U at this point is its online network. If the Wii U comes out of the box with Steam and Origin enabled from day one then there is no reason to say it will fail. Couple this with some kind of multimedia system that is similar to what Microsoft is putting in place for the 360 and the Wii U could be the center peice of the living room.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 08, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
I wonder if "no less than $300" still excludes the $299.99 point. If those costs are true, then I see Nintendo going with $299.99. With the bad taste of the 3DS still in Nintendo's mouth, they are going to make sure they charge as little as possible without losing money on the Wii U, especially since consoles aren't as popular as handhelds in Japan.

Also, if the controller is around $50 in materials, then I think it could be priced at $70. Sure, we'd all rather it be lower, but it's not unreasonable, as a Wiimote + Nunchuk + Classic Controller is $80. Nintendo may not make a profit at that price, but the point would be to get controllers in people's hands so they buy multiplayer games. This is, of course, assuming the Wii U supports more than one controller, which is somewhat unlikely.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 08:57:24 PM
I just saw a mock-up of a Nyko branded uMote.
It looked pretty nice. Let me go find it again and I will edit it.

I hope it's a real concept and not just a fan made thing as that would all but confirm multiple uMotes per system (although it could just be for replacement controllers too).
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 08, 2012, 09:01:01 PM
If Nintedno allowed third parties to develop their own versions of the uMote wouldn't it have the added advantage of driving down production costs and thus retail price? This would make it easier to get it into the hands of consumers and thus be more readily available for games.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 08, 2012, 09:02:34 PM
Not really. Nintendo would still need to ship the console with a controller, so the costs don't change.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 09:05:10 PM
I just checked the source of the pic and unfortunately it isn't a real product as the designer currently works for Huawei (according to his resume)

(http://i.imgur.com/4kWB5.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/I2ZtS.jpg)

http://www.coroflot.com/jianxuying/game-accessories/11 (http://www.coroflot.com/jianxuying/game-accessories/11)

But it still looks nice. Maybe something from a 3rd party will look just as nice or even better.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 08, 2012, 09:06:14 PM
I just saw a mock-up of a Nyko branded uMote.
It looked pretty nice. Let me go find it again and I will edit it.

I hope it's a real concept and not just a fan made thing as that would all but confirm multiple uMotes per system (although it could just be for replacement controllers too).

Hopefully, there seemed to be a lot of fans upset when they suggested it would only support one controller. I just hope the system is powerful enough that the quality isn't degraded when using more then one. I know some of the rumors seemed to suggest that one controller can potentially hog a pretty big chunk of the resources, unless it is something simple like a map or item select screen.
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Post by: Snake-Arms on April 08, 2012, 09:07:17 PM
Can someone direct me to the page/topic with the rumors consolidated?
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 08, 2012, 09:08:42 PM
Does anyone think that Nintendo will launch the Wii U in multiple colors? Honestly, if the Wii U just launches in white then I will pass because I prefer a black Wii U.
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Post by: Snake-Arms on April 08, 2012, 09:09:59 PM
Does anyone think that Nintendo will launch the Wii U in multiple colors? Honestly, if the Wii U just launches in white then I will pass because I prefer a black Wii U.

You would pass on a console you want merely because the color doesn't please you?

Srong wit chu?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 08, 2012, 09:15:44 PM
Nintendo is not stupid enough to make a console that is still underpowered compared to its current competition and will still be underpowered when it new competiton arrives in the next few years.


I hate to be the nay-sayer, but I reckon they are.  They have given us no reason to believe otherwise.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 08, 2012, 09:17:47 PM
I remember a time when Nintendo fans were optimistic and full of hope. But now? I dunno, man. I just don't know.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2012, 09:20:39 PM

I just saw a mock-up of a Nyko branded uMote.
It looked pretty nice. Let me go find it again and I will edit it.

I hope it's a real concept and not just a fan made thing as that would all but confirm multiple uMotes per system (although it could just be for replacement controllers too).

Hopefully, there seemed to be a lot of fans upset when they suggested it would only support one controller. I just hope the system is powerful enough that the quality isn't degraded when using more then one. I know some of the rumors seemed to suggest that one controller can potentially hog a pretty big chunk of the resources, unless it is something simple like a map or item select screen.

That was Ideaman over at GAF that said that, and something else that he said that I meant to mention over here was that the Wii U OS is currently taking up ~512MB of system ram.

lherre (dev @ NeoGAF) has previously said that the Wii U dev kits have more than 2GB of RAM (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg706351#msg706351) in them, so that means that the Devs still have atleast 1.5GB RAM to play with if we are to take them both for their word.

and since the dev kits usually have more RAM than the retail unit, that should at minimum give the Wii U 1GB of RAM to play with. Hoping for 1.5GB

Now considering that the the Wii U is at minimum outputting PS360 level graphics only at 720p/480p (between TV & uMote) with atleast double the ram and (speculated to have) atleast and 3X the eDRAM (32MB for frame buffers and other things), also using AMD's expertise in multiple screen output (even though it's usually one image rendered across multiple screens) using a GPU that is easily(read: theoretically) 3X the power of the PS360 units, you would think that outputting to a second controller shouldn't be too taxing if we aren't looking for anything more than PS360 level output (which is not as bad as it sounds since it will be 480p on a 6.2" screen) while still maintaining atleast 720p output on the screen.






Can someone direct me to the page/topic with the rumors consolidated?


I need to update it, but check my sig at the bottom of my post.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 08, 2012, 09:23:43 PM
I was optimistic until I heard all these recent rumors.  I have always given Nintendo the benefit of the doubt.  But it is really wearing thin on me. 

I mean sure.  Some high profile figures in the gaming community have said that the hardware is good.  Sure.  That's awesome.  But how can one ignore the other more recent rumors from "Anonymous sources"?  Ordinarily, they would be the ones to disregard, but given Nintendo's recent history and absolutely appalling decision making therein, I'm afraid I am now completely disregarding my former optimism until I am shown otherwise.

edit: Spelling
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 08, 2012, 11:30:38 PM
The thing is Shorty, we've already seen things at the last E3 that look better than the current generation. The bird demo and the Zelda HD demo. Not to mention Ghost Recon looked as good as a PS360 game.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 08, 2012, 11:36:21 PM
The thing is Shorty, we've already seen things at the last E3 that look better than the current generation. The bird demo and the Zelda HD demo. Not to mention Ghost Recon looked as good as a PS360 game.


Another thing people don't seem to understand about game consoles:


Graphics are constantly improving the more developers get accustomed to the system's architecture. Look at the early Xbox 360 launch games (Kameo, King Kong, Perfect Dark Zero, etc.) and compare them to the games of today. There is a huge increase in graphical quality.


When the Wii U launches, games will most likely look like modern Xbox 360/PS3 games (from the last 2 years, at least). But once developers get used to the system, they will be able to push it more.


Another good example is the PS3. Most of the launch games were buggy Xbox 360 ports, but then developers finally got used to the complicated Cell processor, and they were able to code their games more sufficiently. Look at Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, MGS4, etc.
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Post by: Caterkiller on April 08, 2012, 11:53:44 PM
The thing is Shorty, we've already seen things at the last E3 that look better than the current generation. The bird demo and the Zelda HD demo. Not to mention Ghost Recon looked as good as a PS360 game.

Yeah and Darksiders 2 and Aliens as well. We have anonymous sources and then we have real games! And you got my testimonial!  Who you gonna believe some random mystery man or me? The guy who only occasionally lies when it benefits him most with his own random mystery man!/joke WiiUE4 is our future!
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 08, 2012, 11:57:23 PM

Look at Call of Duty 2, it was an Xbox360 launch game in 2005 and it practically looks like the Conduit! A few years later and the graphics have much improved.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 09, 2012, 01:04:04 AM
I'm afraid I am getting more and more disheartened by everything I hear now.  I am growing more and more fearful this will be the Wii all over again.  An underpowered machine with a gimmick strapped onto it. 

I hear ya. The only difference for me is that I'm not really disheartened, because in order to be disheartened I would have to be heartened in the first place, but ever since E3 2011 when Reggie announced the name of the new console was going to be "Wii U" my heart sank like the Titanic, and ever since then my expectations for the new console have been very low.

But that said, I did expect at the very least it was going to be more powerful than the PS360. If it can't even pull that off then even my very low expectations for it won't be met. I guess we just have to wait and see. Maybe in two months time at E3 more stuff will come to light and maybe alot of these rumors about the hardware being trash will be put to rest.

I never thought I would say this, but if this thing does turn out to be thus I will not be purchasing it until it see it in a bargain bin somewhere.  Which incidently I don't think will be that long a wait.  Can they really pull off a Wii miracle for 2 generations?  I doubt it very much.

I think they can and they will. By being the first on the market and at such a low price and with the Wii name attached they will draw the same casual crowd they did 6 years ago. Maybe its possible it won't do quite as well as the Wii did, but I can't see how it can really fail in a commercial sense.

But that doesn't matter to me. It can sell 200 million units for all I care, but if its severely underpowered and developers don't want to support it with the sort of games I want to play then what good does it do me if it is breaking sales records left and right? I don't care at all about the "Wii ---" series of games, or the raving rabbids or "let's dance" casual party stuff. Millions of people do love this stuff though, so the Wii U should do quite well sales wise, but what does that mean to me as a "core" gamer?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 09, 2012, 01:08:35 AM
Fellas.  Please don't misunderstand me.  I would love ever so much if I was wrong. 

But look at Nintendo's recent history.  Look at what we have seen.  And listen to what we have been hearing lately.  I just can't help but be pessimistic until I am shown otherwise. 

We have seen it all before.  We are all hyped up, ready for E3 with bated breath.  Waiting very impatiently for Nintendo to start dropping the Banzai Bills *Cue BNM gif*.  What happens?  Probably what usually happens.  Something so glaringly obvious will not be supported or some juvenile mistake will lleave us all feeling extremely underwhelmed.

It happens time and time again.  At least if my expectations are already low, I'm not going to be left disappointed. 

Like I said.  I would LOVE to be wrong.  I want to be looking forward to the launch knowing that this is the system we have been waiting for for the last 10 years.  This is the one the all the 3rd parties will flock to.  This is the one that will not get the spinoff junk that the Wii got.  This will be the one that puts Nintendo back in the spotlight as the system to own.  This is the one that won't get fobbed off as a toy. 

Please, please, please, please!!!
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Post by: UncleBob on April 09, 2012, 01:18:07 AM
With all this talk about the system innards not being finalized... If Nintendo's aiming for a mid-November release (and surely they are), when do they need to start making these things?  What's the lead time on a product like this?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 09, 2012, 01:22:56 AM
I'm afraid I am getting more and more disheartened by everything I hear now.  I am growing more and more fearful this will be the Wii all over again.  An underpowered machine with a gimmick strapped onto it. 

I hear ya. The only difference for me is that I'm not really disheartened, because in order to be disheartened I would have to be heartened in the first place, but ever since E3 2011 when Reggie announced the name of the new console was going to be "Wii U" my heart sank like the Titanic, and ever since then my expectations for the new console have been very low.

But that said, I did expect at the very least it was going to be more powerful than the PS360. If it can't even pull that off then even my very low expectations for it won't be met. I guess we just have to wait and see. Maybe in two months time at E3 more stuff will come to light and maybe alot of these rumors about the hardware being trash will be put to rest.

I never thought I would say this, but if this thing does turn out to be thus I will not be purchasing it until it see it in a bargain bin somewhere.  Which incidently I don't think will be that long a wait.  Can they really pull off a Wii miracle for 2 generations?  I doubt it very much.

I think they can and they will. By being the first on the market and at such a low price and with the Wii name attached they will draw the same casual crowd they did 6 years ago. Maybe its possible it won't do quite as well as the Wii did, but I can't see how it can really fail in a commercial sense.

But that doesn't matter to me. It can sell 200 million units for all I care, but if its severely underpowered and developers don't want to support it with the sort of games I want to play then what good does it do me if it is breaking sales records left and right? I don't care at all about the "Wii ---" series of games, or the raving rabbids or "let's dance" casual party stuff. Millions of people do love this stuff though, so the Wii U should do quite well sales wise, but what does that mean to me as a "core" gamer?


So you're lumping all traditional gamers (I hate the term "core gamer") into one demographic by saying the "Wii ____" games are mainly enjoyed by casual gamers? I find that highly stereotypical. I've been playing video games since 1990 (I'm 27 now), and I highly enjoyed Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort.


Simplicity in video games can be fun too, you know. Look at the various arcade/puzzle games out there: Pac-Man, Tetris, Angry Birds, Dig Dug, Galaga, Asteroids, Donkey Kong Arcade, Mario Bros. Arcade, etc.


I find games with a simple concept and engaging gameplay to be more captivating than games with the latest graphics, guns, violence, cinematic presentations, etc. The whole concept of a video game is fun, and sometimes the most simple games can be the most fun. If it has that special gameplay hook that keeps me playing and enjoying the experience, then it's a good game to me.


Why do you think some of the most highly-revered games came during the 2D era (8-bit and 16-bit generations)?


Do you really think:
- Call of Duty
- Assasin's Creed
- Gears of War
- Bioshock
- Uncharted
- Forza Motorsport
- Killzone
- LittleBigPlanet
- Uncharted
- SOCOM
- Plants vs Zombies
- Angry Birds
- Cut the Rope
- Infinity Blade
- Dead Space
- Mass Effect

...etc. will be remembered 20 years from now?

Will we have the same nostalgia for those franchises that we have for:
- Mario
- Zelda
- Metroid
- Pokemon
- Sonic
- Mega Man
- Castlevania
- Street Fighter
- Mortal Kombat
- Final Fantasy
- Chrono Trigger
- Resident Evil
- Mario Kart

...etc.? I doubt it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2012, 01:31:39 AM
Navigating the dangerous soul-wrecking straits of Hype is a perilous and important travail for every Nintendo fan. I wish you luck Shorty!

Personally, I've been following every rumor, but my expectations are pegged almost squarely to what I've already seen. I personally already feel so excited for what E3 2011 promised: visuals as fancy as the Bird and Zelda demos and 3rd party experiences like AC3, DS2, and Aliens. That's all stuff I feel virtually guaranteed to get since it's been more or less confirmed and shown or publicized already. And while I definitely DO want more from Nintendo and the Wii U (an RE announcement, multitabled support), this handful of what I consider "knowns" is already enough to get me excited for launch.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 09, 2012, 01:48:15 AM
Navigating the dangerous soul-wrecking straits of Hype is a perilous and important travail for every Nintendo fan. I wish you luck Shorty!

Personally, I've been following every rumor, but my expectations are pegged almost squarely to what I've already seen. I personally already feel so excited for what E3 2011 promised: visuals as fancy as the Bird and Zelda demos and 3rd party experiences like AC3, DS2, and Aliens. That's all stuff I feel virtually guaranteed to get since it's been more or less confirmed and shown or publicized already. And while I definitely DO want more from Nintendo and the Wii U (an RE announcement, multitabled support), this handful of what I consider "knowns" is already enough to get me excited for launch.

Eh?

I am not hyped.  That was the whole point of the post.  I was.  But not now.  I am expecting mediocrity. 
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Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2012, 01:52:17 AM
Eh?

I am not hyped.  That was the whole point of the post.  I was.  But not now.  I am expecting mediocrity. 

I mean "navigating hype" in the same sense as "keeping your own expectations under control."
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 09, 2012, 02:05:10 AM
...etc. will be remembered 20 years from now?

Yes. I don't know about every single one of those, but some of them like COD are so extremely popular that they aren't going away anytime soon.

You also have to keep in mind these modern franchises are to kids today the equivalent of what Mario and Metroid and Contra and so on were to us back in the 80s-90s. Kids today who don't own Nintendo hardware don't know what these franchises are and it doesn't mean anything to them, just as Nintendo fans who grew up in the golden age probably don't give a crap about these new  fangled games kids are playing.

So its all about the perspective of what you played when you grew up. Kids who are playing Assassin's Creed and COD today will remember them with nostalgia 20 years from now, even though by then there will be some new franchises which we can't even imagine yet. That's the way it goes.


But to get this unrelated discussion back on topic, what do you think would have happened back in the 80s-90s if Nintendo had the same casual centric attitude back then that they do today? What if the big pack in game for the NES wasn't Super Mario Bros. but instead some 8-bit equivalent of Wii Sports? What if instead of making Zelda Miyamoto made an 8-bit Wii Music? What if instead of Metroid there was 8-bit Wii Play? Those games could have been fun, but they aren't the same thing.

What you have to keep in mind is all these great Nintendo games which core gamers have nostalgia for were made way back then before Nintendo turned their focus to casuals. Had that focus been there back in those days none of those franchises would ever have been created, or they would have been far different and unrecognizable.

Would we have the same level of Nostalgia for these games if they were what we had grown up with? I don't know the answer to that. Its possible. But all I'm saying is what Nintendo is doing today in the present day is a far cry from what they did decades ago when I became a fan in the first place.

So let me ask you will Wii Sports, Wii Music, Wii Play, etc. be remembered fondly 20 years from now? Or will they be rejected as gimmicky tech demos? The kids who grew up on these games in the here and now are the only ones who will know the answer to that, but we will have to wait about 20 years to see how they and history judge these games. Personally I don't think they have the same long term appeal as Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc. but we shall see.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 09, 2012, 02:11:03 AM
Right, because Duck Hunt was a hardcore experience that was totally not a casual tech demo at all.

Oh, wait.

I'm just gonna say this- Nintendo's been selling on underpowered tech for a while, now. They've made a ****-ton of money off of it, but they've lost the hardcore gamer. When they said this was a gaming device for YOU, they meant to reconcile the hardcore audience, to reconcile those who have been ready for Nintendo's franchises to leap into HD for a long time, now.

Whether or not the console is underpowered, I saw the HD Zelda demo. That is what I want. I will buy a Wii U if I get to play a game that pretty. That's all that really matters to me.
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Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2012, 02:19:37 AM
Umm... back in the 80's Super Mario Bros. and Duck Hunt WERE casual. My aunts played Super Mario Bros. and showed me tricks and warp zones. EVERYONE played Duck Hunt.

I am of the opinion that the current "casual" is just a flavor of Nintendo's eternal commitment to gamers aged 2 to 92. From Dr. Mario to Brain Age, from the Power Pad to the Balance Board, from Duck Hunt to Wii Play, from Mario Paint to Wii Music, from Super Mario Bros. to New Super Mario Bros. I don't know, the Wii has made me feel so much more closer to the full breadth of Nintendo's gaming legacy than I have in a long time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm desperately praying for a wide array of new and exciting genres, experiences, and viewpoints on the Wii U. I'm just hoping that it also continues to remind me of why I became a fan in the first place. And maybe convince a few other people to join the club.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 09, 2012, 02:20:04 AM
Right, because Duck Hunt was a hardcore experience that was totally not a casual tech demo at all.

I'm not saying they didn't make any casual games then, nor that they aren't making new core games now (albeit not as many). That's not my point. My point is the focus.

How many brand new hardcore franchises has Nintendo created for the Wii? Not much, if any. The Gamecube introduced some new franchises, but almost all of the core Nintendo franchises that exist today were formed during the NES-SNES era. That was when Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Kirby, Star Fox, etc. came into being. The Gamecube gave us Pikmin and a few others. But what has the Wii given us that's new? There's the Wii ---- series of games, and that's pretty much it. No new core franchises. At least not from Nintendo directly. There is Red Steel, No More Heroes, etc. from third parties.

So as I said if this same attitude had been in place back in the 80s then a lot of the core Nintendo franchises never would have been created at all, or if they were they would be drastically different. Even existing core franchises have been casualized to some degree on the Wii, whether that was by necessity in order to work with the Wiimote, or whether it was things like having the game essentially play itself to take away the challenge from players to dumb it down and make it easy for them.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 09, 2012, 02:36:34 AM
I was optimistic until I heard all these recent rumors.  I have always given Nintendo the benefit of the doubt.  But it is really wearing thin on me. 

I mean sure.  Some high profile figures in the gaming community have said that the hardware is good.  Sure.  That's awesome.  But how can one ignore the other more recent rumors from "Anonymous sources"?  Ordinarily, they would be the ones to disregard, but given Nintendo's recent history and absolutely appalling decision making therein, I'm afraid I am now completely disregarding my former optimism until I am shown otherwise.

edit: Spelling
Well, I wish I could make some of Nintendo's appalling decisions.  I'd be super rich at this point.  People keep stating that Nintendo made horrible decisions, yet they fail to realize that these "horrible decisions" led to Nintendo's most successful period in history.  The Wii is their most successful home console ever and the DS is their most successful handheld system ever.

The only real mistake was not having the foresight to see how successful the Wii would be so that they could futureproof it a little better.  From all the rumors and statements they've made about the WiiU, they will have that foresight this time around and try to futureproof it as best they can.

I feel like Nintendo is just adding one generation inbetween the PS420 and PS580 generations so eventually they will be back on equal footing with those two systems in about 12 years time.
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Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2012, 02:59:47 AM
So as I said if this same attitude had been in place back in the 80s then a lot of the core Nintendo franchises never would have been created at all, or if they were they would be drastically different.

Umm... Nintendo HAD no franchises in the NES generation. They had Mario and Donkey Kong... and that was it. The creation of new IP in past generations was due to NECESSITY. The slowdown of new IP generation was due to LACK of necessity. That's all there is to it, no dramatic left turn in company policy.

And if you want to capture people's nostalgias, you can continue doing this just as well with older franchises as with newer ones: case in point, yesterday I had an EXHAUSTIVE conversation with a kid whose first Pokemon games were Heart Gold/Soul Silver!!! Our respective introductions to the Pokemon series were TWELVE years apart and his zeal was not dampened at all. It doesn't matter that Mario was born in the 80's, if his games today are still good enough to strike an emotional chord with players, he'll qualify for Nostalgia patrol in 20/30 years. And hopefully, he'll still have new games coming out for a new generation of kids to discover and start the cycle all over again.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 09, 2012, 03:02:59 AM
Well, I wish I could make some of Nintendo's appalling decisions.  I'd be super rich at this point.  People keep stating that Nintendo made horrible decisions, yet they fail to realize that these "horrible decisions" led to Nintendo's most successful period in history.  The Wii is their most successful home console ever and the DS is their most successful handheld system ever.

The only real mistake was not having the foresight to see how successful the Wii would be so that they could futureproof it a little better.  From all the rumors and statements they've made about the WiiU, they will have that foresight this time around and try to futureproof it as best they can.

I feel like Nintendo is just adding one generation inbetween the PS420 and PS580 generations so eventually they will be back on equal footing with those two systems in about 12 years time.

What you say is true Mr Turkey.  But we need ask just one question.  Why should we as a consumer care if they profited?  Yes it sounds selfish.  But that is the hard truth.  Why should we care if they make 100 Billion dollars or 1 million profit?  As long as they have enough money to keep pumping out the awesomeness, then who cares?

In actual fact, this huge profit is probably the reason why Nintendo would once again make a limp wristed system.  They made a toybox with a CPU for nigh on free, slapped a Wii badge on it sold it for a (knowing Nintendo probably substantial) profit and watched their bank account exponentially grow.  Why not do the same thing again?

As long as the dollars roll in, who cares about the loyal followers who were there through the hard times.  If the average joe will pay them for toybox 0.5 with a shiny new gimmick than thats fine.

That is what worries me the most.  We keep hearing that the true follower is getting looked after, but nothing ever materializes except for the expected sequels.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 09, 2012, 03:12:34 AM
Let's take a break from the speculation and watch this video.


http://www.gametrailers.com/video/new-consoles/728876 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/new-consoles/728876)
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Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2012, 03:31:00 AM
What you say is true Mr Turkey.  But we need ask just one question.  Why should we as a consumer care if they profited?  Yes it sounds selfish.  But that is the hard truth.  Why should we care if they make 100 Billion dollars or 1 million profit?  As long as they have enough money to keep pumping out the awesomeness, then who cares?

In actual fact, this huge profit is probably the reason why Nintendo would once again make a limp wristed system.  They made a toybox with a CPU for nigh on free, slapped a Wii badge on it sold it for a (knowing Nintendo probably substantial) profit and watched their bank account exponentially grow.  Why not do the same thing again?

As long as the dollars roll in, who cares about the loyal followers who were there through the hard times.  If the average joe will pay them for toybox 0.5 with a shiny new gimmick than thats fine.

That is what worries me the most.  We keep hearing that the true follower is getting looked after, but nothing ever materializes except for the expected sequels.

I guess it's different for everybody...

Myself, I suffered through the "hard times" of the GameCube so that I could experience an utter revolution in terms of game input, an eye-opening expansion of the types of people I could find myself playing games with, and a reinvigoration of a company without whom it would be hard for me to believe in a future where videogames continue to surprise me.

But seriously, it wouldn't make sense to buy the GC, Wii, or Wii U unless I feel confident I'll have fun with it as a consumer. I had a blast with the GC, Animal Crossing alone almost took over my life, so I guess that was an ok decision there. And I think I own more games for the Wii than any other Nintendo system before so... Now what about the Wii U? Will I have enough fun with the thing over the next 5-6 years to spend $300-$350 on the hardware at launch? Personally, I think I will.

I consider myself a pretty committed Nintendo fan, but I don't think Nintendo owes me anything. They've never listened to a thing I had to say before, and so far it's worked out pretty well for them... and me.
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Post by: Caterkiller on April 09, 2012, 03:44:03 AM
Kairon, you're a true Nintendo hero!

http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/whispers-of-the-wii-u-around-the-industry/ (http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/whispers-of-the-wii-u-around-the-industry/)

Say's Nintendo doesn't like the bad rumors going around.


This is a few days old did someone already post it?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 09, 2012, 03:56:11 AM
In all seriousness.  I think I enjoyed the GC generation over the Wii anyday.  I just seemed to have more fun with it.  I dont know why.  It was the only system I had.  I didn't need an Xbox or a PS2.  The cube was enough.  And I didnt have a good PC in those days either. 

For some reason I felt the Wii lacking.  Don't get me wrong, it has some excellent titles on there (Mostly 1st party but anyway). 

If I feel the Wii U satisfies me, I will most certainly partake.  If the tablet makes enough of a difference and isn't just shoehorned in I will be happy.   But the question I find myself asking is this:  Why would I buy the Wii U as my primary next gen console if the tablet is used as just a tacked on gimmick and the hardware is far less capable than its competitors? 

Aside from 1st party games I don't see a reason at all.  And if I wait a few years till the price drops, and can play all the first party releases in 1 glorious month.
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Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2012, 04:40:51 AM
Personally, I think I enjoyed my N64 the most. Sure, I had a NES and SNES, but the N64 was just... everything was new and utterly never-seen-before since Nintendo was taking almost all their stuff into 3D. *sighs happily* Also, I love that controller.

Frankly, yeah, Nintendo HAS to sell the world on that tablet controller. They put so much effort into it, and it's such an expensive piece of the kit, if it doesn't pay off that's wasted money, effort, opportunity.... sort of bust. I mean, I'm excited for the potential it embodies, but I want there to be some games using it that actually frazzle my brain with how much the tablet adds to the experience... Or maybe it might just add to the experience because I'll NEVER have to fight for the TV again, or because I can play games from anywhere in my house, like my bed or the bathroom. That might be frazzle-worthy in and of itself for me personally.

And in all honesty, I can't argue against the logic of waiting for one or more years to buy. Getting stuff at launch is too exciting for me to miss out on, but you hands down save time, money, and effort if you can hold off on buying a console until you get a year or two of hindsight with which to evaluate it.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 09, 2012, 05:04:30 AM
Make no mistake.  If I love this thing, I will be there at launch.  I am most certainly not above paying for overpriced stuff at launch price.   I just hope that I will love it enough to do that.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 09, 2012, 06:05:33 AM
I don't get why you're putting so much stock into these anonymous rumors, when a lot more people, who have gone on record publicly as opposed to anonymously taking shots and include people who had all kinds of negative things to say about the Wii like Mark Rein, as well as the things they've already shown running on the hardware, say the opposite. I can understand being worried, but if you were feeling good about it before this I don't think they should have changed your mind.

Personally, I'm so hyped for Pikmin 3 that as long as I get that I'll be satisfied with my purchase.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 09, 2012, 07:19:07 AM
I mentioned this in an earlier post. 

It isn't the rumors for the sake of rumors.  It is the recent history combined with the rumors.  If the Wii was an capable opponent hardware wise to the other 2 consoles and Nintendo were giving their all for the benefit of  the consumer, than I dismiss them immediately. 

But does anyone here think that Nintendo have really been doing everything they can in order to create the best gaming experience possible for their consumers?  Have they been willing to spend an extra few dollars to buff the hardware without asking for thrice that money back from the paying customer?  Have they been diligent in getting as many quality games as possible onto their system for the benefit of the gamer?   

As far as I'm concerned, the answer to these questions is no.  Now I realise this is largely opinion so take it as you will.  But because the answer is no, and Nintendo have not been going all out for their clientèle, than I have no expectations that anything will change.  From a shareholders point of view, "Why change what isn't broken?"

When I say a company that goes all out for it's fanbase, I am referring to companies like Valve.  Look at everything they do for their games and fans.  TF2 is a great example.  They have a workshop, so all who want to can get involved and make something that may end up in that game.  The continue updating it even though it is quite a few years old now.  Still bringing out new maps and awesome weapons. 

To me, that shows a real relationship with their fans.  They listen to feedback and do something about it. 

When was the last time Nintendo did this?  It was us, the loyal supporters who kept them afloat through the GC days.  What did we get for our support?  A half baked attempt at a new console.  Do you as Nintendo fans really feel appreciated? 

Please don't think of me as the eternal pessimist.  I don't enjoy this at all.  But I don't want to get all excited and get crushed at E3.  I would so love to be wrong.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 09, 2012, 07:52:17 AM
But why is their past more important than what they showed last year at E3 and what people who have no reason to want to be kind to Nintendo have to say? Granted, talk is cheap, but everything we've seen and pretty much everything anyone who's actually played the thing or seen it in action has said indicates that Nintendo did this right.

Which is more likely: some random anonymous accusation, or the opinion of Mark Rein, a man who consistently went out of his way to criticize the Wii? Were all the demos we saw at E3 last year faked, when Nintendo has no history of that? Lots of actual developers have gone on record saying it's a step up from the current systems; are you suggesting there's some kind of pro-Nintendo conspiracy going on here?
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 09, 2012, 11:22:57 AM
But why is their past more important than what they showed last year at E3 and what people who have no reason to want to be kind to Nintendo have to say? Granted, talk is cheap, but everything we've seen and pretty much everything anyone who's actually played the thing or seen it in action has said indicates that Nintendo did this right.

Which is more likely: some random anonymous accusation, or the opinion of Mark Rein, a man who consistently went out of his way to criticize the Wii? Were all the demos we saw at E3 last year faked, when Nintendo has no history of that? Lots of actual developers have gone on record saying it's a step up from the current systems; are you suggesting there's some kind of pro-Nintendo conspiracy going on here?

I think we all know whats really been happening.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/luigidude/ReggieBody.gif)
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Post by: Evan_B on April 09, 2012, 11:41:10 AM
Mother of god...
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 09, 2012, 12:12:54 PM
But why is their past more important than what they showed last year at E3 and what people who have no reason to want to be kind to Nintendo have to say? Granted, talk is cheap, but everything we've seen and pretty much everything anyone who's actually played the thing or seen it in action has said indicates that Nintendo did this right.

Which is more likely: some random anonymous accusation, or the opinion of Mark Rein, a man who consistently went out of his way to criticize the Wii? Were all the demos we saw at E3 last year faked, when Nintendo has no history of that? Lots of actual developers have gone on record saying it's a step up from the current systems; are you suggesting there's some kind of pro-Nintendo conspiracy going on here?

That is probably the only thing that gives me hope, I don't put much stock in anonymous developers because they can range for being pure fabrications, to having older development kits (which supposedly were under-powered if I recall, but have since improved). Individuals with experience in getting the most out of hardware have nothing but positive things to say about it, including Epic Games.

I just worry about the cost of parts, unless Nintendo managed to get some kind of deal on it. One thing I want to confirm is if this rumor for $180 just for the console itself or the controller and console? If it is just for the console that sounds fine to me.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 09, 2012, 12:19:17 PM
In actual fact, this huge profit is probably the reason why Nintendo would once again make a limp wristed system.  They made a toybox with a CPU for nigh on free, slapped a Wii badge on it sold it for a (knowing Nintendo probably substantial) profit and watched their bank account exponentially grow.  Why not do the same thing again?

As long as the dollars roll in, who cares about the loyal followers who were there through the hard times.  If the average joe will pay them for toybox 0.5 with a shiny new gimmick than thats fine.

That is what worries me the most.  We keep hearing that the true follower is getting looked after, but nothing ever materializes except for the expected sequels.
Oh I agree here.  I got bored and fed up with the Wii 3 years ago.  Yes, I've bought the occasional game here or there, but nothing like what I buy for the PS3 or PC. 

I've always bought the Nintendo system each generation first.  This time, I am definitely waiting, especially if the system is only slightly more powerful than the PS360. 

I'm afraid Nintendo will only think about their profit margins and try to cater once again only to the "casual" demographic.  I'm worried they will still leave things out of the WiiU that are standard with the PS360 because it wouldn't benefit them monetarily.  I'm worried they will gimp the system to make sure they make a profit at launch on the system itself.

I'm also worried they'll never release a true Pokemon MMO for a home console (though I've only bought one Pokemon game, the original Blue).

But I'd still like to make money like they do, even when they are considered a failure.  The GC was the worst selling system for them and that generation, yet they made more money than Sony and M$ during those years (partly because of the GBA, but they weren't losing money on the GC either).
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 09, 2012, 12:34:12 PM
Personally, I'm so hyped for Pikmin 3 that as long as I get that I'll be satisfied with my purchase.
I think this is where I will be when Pikmin 3 is set for release.  If it's not a launch title, and I haven't bought a WiiU by the time it's set for release, I think I will get the system for this game alone.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 09, 2012, 12:37:43 PM
In actual fact, this huge profit is probably the reason why Nintendo would once again make a limp wristed system.  They made a toybox with a CPU for nigh on free, slapped a Wii badge on it sold it for a (knowing Nintendo probably substantial) profit and watched their bank account exponentially grow.  Why not do the same thing again?

As long as the dollars roll in, who cares about the loyal followers who were there through the hard times.  If the average joe will pay them for toybox 0.5 with a shiny new gimmick than thats fine.

That is what worries me the most.  We keep hearing that the true follower is getting looked after, but nothing ever materializes except for the expected sequels.
Oh I agree here.  I got bored and fed up with the Wii 3 years ago.  Yes, I've bought the occasional game here or there, but nothing like what I buy for the PS3 or PC. 

I've always bought the Nintendo system each generation first.  This time, I am definitely waiting, especially if the system is only slightly more powerful than the PS360. 

I'm afraid Nintendo will only think about their profit margins and try to cater once again only to the "casual" demographic.  I'm worried they will still leave things out of the WiiU that are standard with the PS360 because it wouldn't benefit them monetarily.  I'm worried they will gimp the system to make sure they make a profit at launch on the system itself.

I'm also worried they'll never release a true Pokemon MMO for a home console (though I've only bought one Pokemon game, the original Blue).

But I'd still like to make money like they do, even when they are considered a failure.  The GC was the worst selling system for them and that generation, yet they made more money than Sony and M$ during those years (partly because of the GBA, but they weren't losing money on the GC either).

The lack of true Pokemon RPGs on a home console system does bother me. I'd love to have them do one, if Game Freak is uncomfortable doing it, I'd give it to Monolith Soft to develop.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 09, 2012, 12:40:09 PM
The lack of true Pokemon RPGs on a home console system does bother me. I'd love to have them do one, if Game Freak is uncomfortable doing it, I'd give it to Monolith Soft to develop.
Monolith Soft would make an awesomely epic Pokemon MMO.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 09, 2012, 12:46:55 PM
The lack of true Pokemon RPGs on a home console system does bother me. I'd love to have them do one, if Game Freak is uncomfortable doing it, I'd give it to Monolith Soft to develop.
Monolith Soft would make an awesomely epic Pokemon MMO.

I really want to see Monolith be successful with Nintendo, while I haven't played it, Xenoblade sounds like one of the best RPGs around, not just on Wii. With the Pokemon name you know it would sell amazing, people could care less who developed it as long as it appears to be a mainline Pokemon game.
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Post by: Caterkiller on April 09, 2012, 01:10:38 PM
No real offense to people who are actually putting stock in the rumors(because I am just as guilty of getting excited over the good rumors) but some of you people are just sheep.

It's like when you watch the news and you hear "New study says if you take 1 fish oil pill a day, your risk of heart diseases will be lower." Fast forward 1 year later "New study says if you take 1 fish oil pill a day, your risk of heart diseases will be higher." And people just go "oh me of my!" They have no idea what is true! When all that technical jargon is being thrown at us, the majority of the time we can only take some scientists word for it. Even the reporters reporting on it and the whole darn news crew don't even know whats truly up. You can't just get frantic every time you hear some new rumor, because how the hell do you honestly know? Following random literal nobodies like it's gospel? Come on now!

The difference between the fish oil analogy and the Nintendo rumors is that we have actual facts and product to go by  to do actual research ourselves! Quit acting like you aint got no god damn sense! I can look at Aliens, Darksiders, that Ghost Recon, and even the word of Ubisoft who say's Assassins Creed 3 won't look any different on the Wii U and I can make my on intelligent assessment of the situation. Who has gone on record to say bad things about the Wii U other than analysts? Which developer who has even the oldest kits(assuming) has said it doesn't perform as well as the PS360? Weren't the first things we were hearing long time ago was that it was structured like a 360 so porting games was very easy?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 09, 2012, 01:24:53 PM
In all seriousness.  I think I enjoyed the GC generation over the Wii anyday.  I just seemed to have more fun with it.  I dont know why.  It was the only system I had.  I didn't need an Xbox or a PS2.  The cube was enough.  And I didnt have a good PC in those days either. 

That's how it was for me. People talk about the "dark times" of the GC era, but the GC was a system I loved deeply, and I never once felt I needed to get a PS2 or Xbox. Sure, the GC missed out on a lot of stuff, but it still kept me happy and satisfied.

The Wii is another story. This marks the first time I've ever felt the need to own another system because of Nintendo's system not being good enough.

So I don't understand when people talk about the GC being some dark time. If anything it was a bright and happy time, and now is the real dark time of Nintendo. Maybe the company has made record profits from it, but as a fan and a gamer this is without a doubt my least favorite Nintendo console. The GC may have had its issues, but I've had far more fun with that than I've ever had with my Wii.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 09, 2012, 01:34:59 PM
I really want to see Monolith be successful with Nintendo, while I haven't played it, Xenoblade sounds like one of the best RPGs around, not just on Wii. With the Pokemon name you know it would sell amazing, people could care less who developed it as long as it appears to be a mainline Pokemon game.
Xenoblade is, by far, the best RPG of the past decade. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. It easily surpasses the trash that Square Enix has put out in the past few years in terms of gameplay and story.

If Monolith had to make a Pokemon game, I'd be okay with a similar battle system to Xenoblade, but instead have the arts be the moves that Pokemon normally learn. That would be sweet. And those environments. They would be massive.

BACK to the real discussion. I just feel that, as a company, Nintendo has made a statement that gives me plenty of hope- that they want to reconnect with the hardcore audience. I think that is a bold, but earnest thing to say, and it at LEAST implies that they know where they stand in the gaming community nowadays. Now, they dominate the casual market, and I believe they aren't just going to throw that away, but if you think about the Nintendo Network and the work that's gone into that concept, you can tell that there is an effort being made.

Honestly, I truly hope that launch provides something that is integrated with the Nintendo Network, because that's going to be a driving point of the system. But also, I think that Nintendo isn't going to say a thing about their specs at all, for reasons I stated in the talkback of today's article. They don't want Sony or Microsoft capitalizing on that- they want those companies to be as threatened as possible and blow as many resources trying to outdo them as possible and win out in the end. That's my opinion, though. Take it as you will.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 09, 2012, 02:10:48 PM
Nintendo would be smart to not force their gimmicks onto third parties. This would have the advanatage of untying their hands when it comes to porting their games onto the Wii U.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 09, 2012, 04:39:38 PM
No real offense to people who are actually putting stock in the rumors(because I am just as guilty of getting excited over the good rumors) but some of you people are just sheep.

It's like when you watch the news and you hear "New study says if you take 1 fish oil pill a day, your risk of heart diseases will be lower." Fast forward 1 year later "New study says if you take 1 fish oil pill a day, your risk of heart diseases will be higher." And people just go "oh me of my!" They have no idea what is true! When all that technical jargon is being thrown at us, the majority of the time we can only take some scientists word for it. Even the reporters reporting on it and the whole darn news crew don't even know whats truly up. You can't just get frantic every time you hear some new rumor, because how the hell do you honestly know? Following random literal nobodies like it's gospel? Come on now!

The difference between the fish oil analogy and the Nintendo rumors is that we have actual facts and product to go by  to do actual research ourselves! Quit acting like you aint got no god damn sense! I can look at Aliens, Darksiders, that Ghost Recon, and even the word of Ubisoft who say's Assassins Creed 3 won't look any different on the Wii U and I can make my on intelligent assessment of the situation. Who has gone on record to say bad things about the Wii U other than analysts? Which developer who has even the oldest kits(assuming) has said it doesn't perform as well as the PS360? Weren't the first things we were hearing long time ago was that it was structured like a 360 so porting games was very easy?

I think people just have gotten cynical. I honestly don't take much stock in the anonymous comments in regards its power, but a part of me can't help be a little worried considering how the Wii turned out power wise. On the flip side though there are people, like Epic, that have been saying positive things about the hardware's ability and they were hardly a fan of the Wii's power.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 09, 2012, 06:31:07 PM
I think people just have gotten cynical. I honestly don't take much stock in the anonymous comments in regards its power, but a part of me can't help be a little worried considering how the Wii turned out power wise. On the flip side though there are people, like Epic, that have been saying positive things about the hardware's ability and they were hardly a fan of the Wii's power.

The thing everyone has to remember is the situation Nintendo was in when making the Wii and the Wii U is completely different.  The number one reason the Wii was as underpowered as it was is because the Gamecube was Nintendo's worst selling home console and Nintendo worried that their presence in the home console market was dying.  The whole point of the Wii was to see if they could do something radically different to try and become popular again, but in a way that wouldn't sink the company if it failed.  This is why the Wii was just a Gamecube with more RAM because if the system only sold 10 million units, the losses would be very minimal compared to what a way more powerful systems losses would be.  And in 2005, there was a real chance Nintendo's next system could have only sold 10 million or less.

These were the sales of Nintendo's home consoles before the Wii.

NES - 61 million

SNES - 49 million

N64 - 33 million

Gamecube - 22 million

Seriously, Nintendo didn't have a time machine in 2005 when they were making the Wii.  They had no idea the Wii would be as popular as it did.  If Nintendo had released the Wii with power similar to the 360/PS3 and it only sold 10 million units, it would have been a disaster that would have cost Nintendo billions of dollars.  People have to remember that Nintendo's home console brand had been severally weakened during the Gamecube era and so there's a reason Nintendo wasn't willing to risk a lot of money on their next home console because they worried it might do worse then the Gamecube.

For the Wii U though, it'll be the successer to the Wii which is Nintendo best selling home console by far.  By the time the Wii U comes out, the Wii will have sold around 100 million units, with it's top selling games managed to sell over 20-30 million copies each.  The Wii completely revitalized Nintendo's home console presence and made it stronger then ever, which is why Nintendo can afford to actually make the Wii U a more powerful system this time because the risks with the Wii U are way less then the risk with the Wii were.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 09, 2012, 06:34:26 PM
I think people just have gotten cynical. I honestly don't take much stock in the anonymous comments in regards its power, but a part of me can't help be a little worried considering how the Wii turned out power wise. On the flip side though there are people, like Epic, that have been saying positive things about the hardware's ability and they were hardly a fan of the Wii's power.

The thing everyone has to remember is the situation Nintendo was in when making the Wii and the Wii U is completely different.  The number one reason the Wii was as underpowered as it was is because the Gamecube was Nintendo's worst selling home console and Nintendo worried that their presence in the home console market was dying.  The whole point of the Wii was to see if they could do something radically different to try and become popular again, but in a way that wouldn't sink the company if it failed.  This is why the Wii was just a Gamecube with more RAM because if the system only sold 10 million units, the losses would be very minimal compared to what a way more powerful systems losses would be.  And in 2005, there was a real chance Nintendo's next system could have only sold 10 million or less.

These were the sales of Nintendo's home consoles before the Wii.

NES - 61 million

SNES - 49 million

N64 - 33 million

Gamecube - 22 million

Seriously, Nintendo didn't have a time machine in 2005 when they were making the Wii.  They had no idea the Wii would be as popular as it did.  If Nintendo had released the Wii with power similar to the 360/PS3 and it only sold 10 million units, it would have been a disaster that would have cost Nintendo billions of dollars.  People have to remember that Nintendo's home console brand had been severally weakened during the Gamecube era and so there's a reason Nintendo wasn't willing to risk a lot of money on their next home console because they worried it might do worse then the Gamecube.

For the Wii U though, it'll be the successer to the Wii which is Nintendo best selling home console by far.  By the time the Wii U comes out, the Wii will have sold around 100 million units, with it's top selling games managed to sell over 20-30 million copies each.  The Wii completely revitalized Nintendo's home console presence and made it stronger then ever, which is why Nintendo can afford to actually make the Wii U a more powerful system this time because the risks with the Wii U are way less then the risk with the Wii were.

Fair point, and yeah I do realize it was likely necessary for Nintendo to do what they did with the Wii. I just think the more "core" gamer like those who are on this board are just a bit gun shy about it though. Wii U will probably be just fine, even if some of us may be kind of gun shy with some of the rumors floating around.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 09, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
The Wii completely revitalized Nintendo's home console presence and made it stronger then ever,

Game Informer magazine wrote in an issue a few months ago that the Wii is "irrelevant". That's their words not mine. But when you look at a list of upcoming games right now there's very little if anything for the Wii, but meanwhile there is tons of stuff coming to the PS360 and handhelds. The Wii is number one in marketshare by a wide margin, but you wouldn't guess that based on how little software support it is seeing.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 09, 2012, 07:08:30 PM
I think this is a sign of the real damage that Microsoft and now Sony have caused to gaming. Since they broke the bank beefing up the hardware of their systems, people now expect every game system to be like that. Now, if there's even any profit margin on a Nintendo system whatsoever, the perception is that Nintendo is being cheap and conservative, and isn't giving consumers enough.

The game industry can't survive on this model. The only reason both Sony and Microsoft are still in the game is because they have other departments to draw profit from if their gaming division bleeds money. Now, Nintendo may have huge cash reserves thanks to the Wii and DS, but things aren't that simple because of shareholders. Nintendo cannot afford to create a machine that sells for a loss. They can't afford to go a generation losing billions of dollars, as they have no other division from which to pull money and stay afloat. If Nintendo doesn't make a profit, they go out of business. That isn't being cheap, that's doing what it takes to survive. It's as simple as that.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 09, 2012, 07:16:45 PM
To be fair, Nintendo really broke the model on profiting from hardware. Even before the NES came out, it used to be standard for console manufacturers to sell the hardware at a loss and make it up on software (a model that pre-dated video games as they took it from razor companies selling razors for little or no profit and charging a lot for the blades). Nintendo always bucked the trend by profiting on hardware too.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 09, 2012, 07:26:57 PM
That isn't true TJ. It was only when Sony came around when that model came about.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 09, 2012, 07:29:48 PM
Game Informer magazine wrote in an issue a few months ago that the Wii is "irrelevant".

Wait... aren't you the one who trashes GameStop to no ends?

But you take the word of their marketing catalog as gospel?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 09, 2012, 07:31:27 PM
Actually, I think Nintendo having the most conservative hardware is the smart move and I'm fine with that. Using conservative hardware allows them to keep the MSRP lower than the competition, which means better sales. The older but more stable and proven hardware also means a more stable and reliable system, unlike the PS360 with their red rings an yellow lights of death.

But the problem was the Wii went too far with that conservative mentality. If the difference between the Wii and the PS360 was like the difference between the Dreamcast and PS2/GC/Xbox then it wouldn't have been a big deal, but the gap was much bigger than that. The Wii is literally a full blown generation behind. That's why developers didn't want to support it, because it being so far behind meant porting games over to it wasn't a simple task. It would take a major undertaking to make a Wii version of a PS360 game, and that's why for the most part they just didn't bother.

So just like how the Dreamcast was the first 6th generation console, so too should the Wii U be the first 8th generation console. Being a true 8th generation console is the key, though. It can't just be a 7th generation console with a gimmicky controller slapped on. That's not going to fly with developers in the long run. If Nintendo does that, the developer support may be there at first, but a few years later it will be like the Wii all over again.

Nintendo has to keep in mind that no matter how innovative the Wii U tablet controller may be, the competition is probably going to rip it off. I think the turning point this generation was around the same time Sony and Microsoft unveiled their rip off versions of motion controls. From that point on the one exclusive advantage the Wii had going for it was gone. So Nintendo should be operating under the assumption that their uMote or uTab idea isn't going to stay exclusive forever either. They can't rely on the gimmick alone, so the hardware needs to be able to hold its own.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 09, 2012, 07:36:01 PM
MopitUp:  You are completely right.  I hate when everyone hates on Nintendo for running their company like a business, and trying to stay in business to create the games we love.  Now, sometimes those same business decisions are BAD DECISIONS, and I think people can discuss those decisions and should.  But to blindly attack without thinking about business decisions and the effects on everyone in the company and shareholders, and yes the fans is ignorant.

Now, I do think Sony and Microsoft are playing a dangerous strategy in this business.  They are both basically attacking each other full force without worry of collateral damage to themselves, their competition or even 3rd party developers.  What they hope to do is out last the other companies bleeding to death, and hopefully pick up the spoils afterwards.  Nintendo is kinda caught in the middle of this dangerous game...and they aren't losing profit much yet, but they are losing image and position in the gaming community.  If some how Nintendo was too lose market share to see making the hardware wasn't profitable anymore, THEN it would be a huge boon to both Sony and Microsoft...which is (I think) their ultimate goal with these systems that create massive loses...which they can allow other departments to eat. 

The real danger of this strategy is newcomers.  There are always other companies willing to step into an industry...specially a billion dollar industry and take a risk to becoming popular.  Both Sony and Microsoft were once newcomers and became market mainstays.  If Sony and Microsoft are bleeding to death and someone like Apple or Valve comes in with an intriguing product for the consumers...it means more fights, they may not be able to maintain. 

Nintendo's strategy, means they may lose market share and image, however as long as they continue to make a profit, they will be able maintain in the industry, learn and adapt.  And just like the Wii has shown, all it takes is one good innovative idea to connect to the consumer for Nintendo to jump ahead again...having two at the same time, Wii and DS is just icing on the cake.  If Nintendo can do this one more time with the 3DS and Wii U...next generation Nintendo will be in much better shape to really wow us...and compete with competitors that are even weaker. 

I mean look at what the rumors are for the Xbox720 and PS4...they are not as large of jumps as the 360 and PS3...and they may have really annoying design choices to help mediate the loses of the new generation and this generation.   
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 09, 2012, 07:42:50 PM
My only hope is that, like Chozo said, that Nintendo isn't too conservative this next generation. I honestly don't expect the system to be leaps and bounds better then PS3 or 360, but I do expect it to be more powerful even if it is by a slim margin. Honestly I don't expect ports to be significantly affected even if Wii U is just a small percentage more powerful then 360 and PS3. The industry is starting to hit a wall, not just with significant visual jumps but, more importantly, the cost of game development.


You will not see the difference you seen between PS3/360 and Wii, no matter how powerful (or underpowered) the Wii U is.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 09, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
So just like how the Dreamcast was the first 6th generation console, so too should the Wii U be the first 8th generation console. Being a true 8th generation console is the key, though. It can't just be a 7th generation console with a gimmicky controller slapped on. That's not going to fly with developers in the long run. If Nintendo does that, the developer support may be there at first, but a few years later it will be like the Wii all over again.


The thing is it's very doubtful Microsoft and Sony will make their next systems as powerful as the 360/PS3 were for their time.  After seeing how successful Nintendo was which was nothing more then a modified Gamecube, Microsoft and Sony realize that going the more powerful route isn't all that important in succeeding.  Plus there's the fact Microsoft shareholder have made it clear the gaming division needs to be more profitable because they're not happy with all the billions lost with the original Xbox and the 360 in its early years.  Sony might try to go more power since the Vita shows they're still run by idiots, but if the PS4 is the only hugely powerful system it won't do sh!t since third parties will just focus on the Wii U and 720 and ignore the PS4 added power.
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Post by: Shaymin on April 09, 2012, 07:45:49 PM
The 360/PS3 were the worst possible thing to happen to your mid-range developers, mid-range being "anyone outside of Activision/Ubi/EA". Another generation like that, and I'm going handheld-only.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 09, 2012, 08:20:18 PM
Actually, I think Nintendo having the most conservative hardware is the smart move and I'm fine with that. Using conservative hardware allows them to keep the MSRP lower than the competition, which means better sales.


I remember when Sony was doing that with the PS1 and PS2. Then they suddenly threw everything into the PS3.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 09, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
I really don't think we're going to be seeing much of a graphical leap like there was from GC/xBox/PS2 to 360/PS3. It's just not going to happen. If it does, then game developers are going to have one hell of a time dealing with that.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 09, 2012, 08:42:49 PM
I really don't think we're going to be seeing much of a graphical leap like there was from GC/xBox/PS2 to 360/PS3. It's just not going to happen. If it does, then game developers are going to have one hell of a time dealing with that.

Graphical leaps are going to be increasingly confined to handheld systems. Where home consoles will grow the most is services such as online and stores that feature online retail.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 09, 2012, 08:53:34 PM
Then I don't care what the Wii U can do. As long as it gives me pretty graphics. I mean, nice online would be nice, but other than that... I'm not picky.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 09, 2012, 11:58:08 PM
I know everyone is super curious about the Wii U OS, and some of you may be aware that Ideaman had previously said that "according to his sources" the OS was currently using about 512MB of RAM that is unaccessible to devs in the dev kit.

He just told me that this is what it's supposedly used for
"multi-tasking, os, background, applications, the possibility to put your game on standby, store your progression, switch to other software, then switch back to when you stopped."

How happy would you be if Nintendo really took the OS seriously this time around and greatly improved upon what they've already started on the 3DS? Being able to jump from one app to the next without necessarily having to lose your place, and then being able to jump right back into where you left off would be great.
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Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2012, 12:13:24 AM
You get to do that with the 3DS to a certain degree so I expect that to carry over to Wii U. I'm sure Nintendo has thought of ways to make it more sophisticated. Pausing the software to open the browser is one thing but what if I could keep playing the game and open the browser on the tablet would open up more possibilities.
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Post by: Ceric on April 10, 2012, 12:21:16 AM
I would also hope the OS being doing the social components as well.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 10, 2012, 12:24:23 AM
The thing is it's very doubtful Microsoft and Sony will make their next systems as powerful as the 360/PS3 were for their time.

Well, due to the graphical wall and the law of diminishing returns even if they did make their systems as much of a leap forward it wouldn't be very noticeable. That doesn't mean the leap won't be made, its just that from a graphics perspective it won't be very noticeable. There is still a lot of room for improvement in terms of the A.I. and things like that, though.

I think the reason why Sony and Microsoft pushed so hard for such a drastic leap forward this generation is the result of a technological arms race between these two electronics giants. In generations past video game systems were made by companies such as Sega, Nintendo, and Atari who only did video games and nothing else. But then in 1995 the TV and Walkman giant known as Sony entered the race, but it wasn't such a big deal until another giant named Microsoft showed up. Now these two behemoths are duking it out in a sort of video game Cold War like between the Soviet Union and United States. Just like the real Cold War eventually one of these two is going to lose. I think its just a matter of time. But until that happens I think this video game arms race is going to continue.

Making money isn't really the goal of either Microsoft or Sony in this case. The only reason they are in this race at all is for dominance over everyone's living room. Video games have always been an after thought to them, which is also why they put such an emphasis on things like Blu-ray and HD-DVD in their consoles. Video gaming is only one aspect of it. They want to control all media in your living room.

Their goals are very different than the goals of Nintendo who won't even offer DVD playback on the Wii. Nintendo's focus is 100% video gaming, but in Sony and Microsoft's case video gaming is probably only 25% of the focus. Since they have such differing goals that's also why they have such different design philosophies.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 10, 2012, 12:35:11 AM
Could Hitman: Absolution be coming to the Wii U? Afterall, it is being published by Square-Enix, so it could happen.
 
http://wiiudaily.com/2011/06/hitman-absolution-coming-to-wii-u/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2011/06/hitman-absolution-coming-to-wii-u/)
 
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According to a tip WiiUDaily obtained from source close to publisher Square Enix, the parent company of Hitman developer IO Interactive, they’re looking into bringing several of their properties to the Wii U, either as launch titles or as releases down the line. One of those titles is supposedly Hitman Absolution, which would use the new Wii U controller to display additional mission information, use the accelerometer during melee combat, and more. So far Hitman Absolution has only been confirmed for the PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, and will be released sometime in 2012.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 10, 2012, 12:41:53 AM
The thing is it's very doubtful Microsoft and Sony will make their next systems as powerful as the 360/PS3 were for their time.

Well, due to the graphical wall and the law of diminishing returns even if they did make their systems as much of a leap forward it wouldn't be very noticeable. That doesn't mean the leap won't be made, its just that from a graphics perspective it won't be very noticeable. There is still a lot of room for improvement in terms of the A.I. and things like that, though.

I think the reason why Sony and Microsoft pushed so hard for such a drastic leap forward this generation is the result of a technological arms race between these two electronics giants. In generations past video game systems were made by companies such as Sega, Nintendo, and Atari who only did video games and nothing else. But then in 1995 the TV and Walkman giant known as Sony entered the race, but it wasn't such a big deal until another giant named Microsoft showed up. Now these two behemoths are duking it out in a sort of video game Cold War like between the Soviet Union and United States. Just like the real Cold War eventually one of these two is going to lose. I think its just a matter of time. But until that happens I think this video game arms race is going to continue.

Making money isn't really the goal of either Microsoft or Sony in this case. The only reason they are in this race at all is for dominance over everyone's living room. Video games have always been an after thought to them, which is also why they put such an emphasis on things like Blu-ray and HD-DVD in their consoles. Video gaming is only one aspect of it. They want to control all media in your living room.

Their goals are very different than the goals of Nintendo who won't even offer DVD playback on the Wii. Nintendo's focus is 100% video gaming, but in Sony and Microsoft's case video gaming is probably only 25% of the focus. Since they have such differing goals that's also why they have such different design philosophies.


Actually, I'd say that Sony's video game focus is 50% aand Microsoft's is 25%, considering the Xbox brand is having some sort of identity crisis.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 10, 2012, 12:42:24 AM
Here's the thing: Nintendo had to be conservative with the Wii, or else it would have been very risky. They knew the possibility of people buying a Wii solely for Wii Sports and buying little else, and if they took a loss on the hardware, these people do nothing but cost Nintendo money. The low price point was one of the keys to Nintendo's success, so raising the price if the specs were higher wasn't an option. The way I see it, Nintendo had two choices: make the Wii, or stop making home systems. My question for the room is, is it better to have had the Wii, or have had no Nintendo consoles?

Things are much different now. Nintendo just had their most successful console generation ever, and the Wii will probably end up becoming the second-best selling home system (which is currently the PlaySation at 102 million, I believe). Coming off of that, it's a lot easier, and a lot less is at risk, for Nintendo to create a more capable home console, both in specs and in features. Somewhat vague quotes from anonymous sources should in no way invalidate everything else we've seen and heard from E3 2011 and named sources since.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2012, 12:57:15 AM
Nintendo working on a GT/Forza of their own?
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-nintendo-s-answer-to-gran-turismo-and-forza-in-development-?utm_source=dlvr.it (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-nintendo-s-answer-to-gran-turismo-and-forza-in-development-?utm_source=dlvr.it)
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Nintendo is working on their killer app simulation racer for Wii U that is designed to put GT and Forza on their heels.
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Their newest project, which our source (who has insight of Nintendo developments) refers to as "Concept Grand Prix", is in development by Lucid Games made up of ex-Developers of Bizarre Creations (Fur Fighters, Project Gotham Racing, Blur).

Concept Grand Prix is expected to provide extremely realistic physics, with controls and gameplay similar to Project Gotham.


There are more details at the link if you're interested. I'm not, as I prefer my racing to be a little more on the arcadey side than the straight up real-life simulator side of things.

GoNintendo apparently has something to add to this rumor
http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=175200
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Post by: Mannypon on April 10, 2012, 01:08:38 AM
EDIT:  I deleted my previous post as it I thought I was in the WiiU thread lol.
As for the discussion here, I don't see why everyone is so scared Nintendo will gimp the hardware again.  Just because they did it with the Wii doesn't mean we have to throw out their whole history out the window.  Every system Nintendo has released outside of the Wii has been able to hold its own against the competition.  Based on what I've read and seen online, I ,in no way, believe these "anonymous" developers who are bad mouthing the WiiU. 
Ignoring everything positive that has already been said by big name people in the industry, ignoring all the rumors coming from our resident sleuth BnM and CaterK and the posters at Neogaf who are actually legit, and ignoring all the video we have seen from the previous E3; there is no way the WiiU can be weaker than the current gen systems when its streaming the same, if not better, graphics to the TV and the Upad at the same time.  It just doesn't make sense.
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Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2012, 01:10:04 AM
Here's the thing: Nintendo had to be conservative with the Wii, or else it would have been very risky. They knew the possibility of people buying a Wii solely for Wii Sports and buying little else, and if they took a loss on the hardware, these people do nothing but cost Nintendo money. The low price point was one of the keys to Nintendo's success, so raising the price if the specs were higher wasn't an option. The way I see it, Nintendo had two choices: make the Wii, or stop making home systems. My question for the room is, is it better to have had the Wii, or have had no Nintendo consoles?
Nintendo made the Wii needlessly riskier by making motion controls the only viable option on the console which they've thankfully backed off from. They wanted to replace traditional controls but motion controls works much better along side it. In terms of hardware, I don't think Nintendo had to lowball the specs quite so much. I'll always wonder if it was possible for them to have positioned themselves somewhere between where the Wii and PS3 so perhaps 3rd parties could scale down the games rather than make an entire separate version.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 10, 2012, 01:17:22 AM
I disagree about the motion controls thing, especially since the Nunchuk and Classic Controller exist, but that's neither here nor there. I do agree the Wii could have had slightly higher specs without breaking the bank, however I don't think it could have been close enough to the PS360 to make a difference to third-parties. We just would have seen slightly better results from exclusive games, like Mario Kart Wii wouldn't have blocky characters, for example.
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Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2012, 01:27:51 AM
I disagree about the motion controls thing, especially since the Nunchuk and Classic Controller exist, but that's neither here nor there.
Well, no, that's a whole point. Some developers just flat out don't want to finagle with motion controls and the Classic Controller cost extra. It didn't come with the Wii. That made supporting it less desirable.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 10, 2012, 01:30:17 AM
All I want is an os experience similar to that of the ios with the ipad.  I think that is quite an amazing system...it is natural and easy to go back into other apps...then jump back into your game.  Nintendo has been working (even with the Wii) of creating an experience that is easy to jump in and out of games. 

I am not worried about the ios in those terms.  However, Nintendo and an ios that fully integrates the internet is something different.  Personally, I would love for the ios to be able to turn on/off the wifi connection easily and when it is on, everything just works in the background.  Friend update, chat/message system, updates and downloads...ect...  I like the Xbox Live experience and if Nintendo has to charge $50.00 a year for fully integrated web service, I say go for it...I would rather that than what we have now.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 10, 2012, 01:30:40 AM
I disagree about the motion controls thing, especially since the Nunchuk and Classic Controller exist, but that's neither here nor there.
Well, no, that's a whole point. Some developers just flat out don't want to finagle with motion controls and the Classic Controller cost extra. It didn't come with the Wii. That made supporting it less desirable.
That didn't make it riskier for Nintendo, though. The motion controls were the draw of the system, so they had to be front and center.
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Post by: Caterkiller on April 10, 2012, 01:39:11 AM

So I shouldn't say this because it may cause more hysteria. But I was told that prototype development Wii U kits from way back had only one Upad usable. That was a long time ago and this person knows nothing about current development kits. So keep this expectation reserved and hopefully Nintendo pleasantly surprises us when their first sizzle reel shows 2-4 people in local multiplayer, all with Upads. But hey it's a negative rumor about Nintendo, must be true right?

There is a big Pokemon rumor out. But I can not find the source. They say it's from the soon to be released Corocoro where all new pokemon info is always released. Lot's of details, may be fake, but with the game coming out so soon I can't help but think this info will be a part of the massive blow out expected to come from the magazine and the Pokemon show this sunday.

I'm going to reserve my judgement because no one has truly proved it real or fake.

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Post by: Evan_B on April 10, 2012, 01:45:25 AM
Sweet jebas, if this was true... This would change the friggin' Smogon tiers like crazy.

Personally, I'd welcome it. The Gen V Pokemon were weak anyway, this would make me like Gen V a LOT LOT LOT more.
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Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2012, 01:55:02 AM
That didn't make it riskier for Nintendo, though. The motion controls were the draw of the system, so they had to be front and center.
I don't know if I'm just not explaining this well enough. Asking 3rd parties to adopt motion controls without question was an absurd proposition. Nintendo should have offered both motion and traditional controls equally and let developers decide what was right for them because some games are just not appropriate for one or the other. By making traditional controls are far less convenient option, Nintendo put themselves in a much worse position. That's what made it riskier and needlessly so. Consumers were drawn to motion controls; developers not so much. Some experimented and that's great but I think Nintendo did themselves a great disservice by downplaying the Classic Controller to the point where they didn't even include one with the system.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 10, 2012, 02:00:36 AM
Riskier in what sense? Nintendo still made a profit on the Nintendo 64 and GameCube, so they don't need third-party support and can survive by themselves. The Wii wasn't risky in that sense, even if it sold a quarter of what it did, it'd still have been profitable.
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Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2012, 02:07:40 AM
They may not need 3rd party support but they want it and clearly they didn't get a whole lot of it this generation despite all the consoles they sold. If Nintendo didn't think they made a mistake on that front, they wouldn't be trying so hard to reach out to 3rd parties now. They left a lot of money on the table.

And what if motion controls failed miserably? Nintendo would have been sitting on millions of units that didn't have the controller that developers and consumers wanted. Sound pretty risky to me.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 10, 2012, 02:14:30 AM
Well, releasing a new system is always risky no matter what, but I believe Nintendo chose the path of the least risky. But Nintendo did research and they knew the Wii would find an audience, they just didn't know how big. Even so, if their Wii strategy failed then it still would have left them with enough money to try some other home system, but there's a lot of ifs involved there (like how many did it end up selling and all that) so I won't get into that now. Their focus was their own survival, and third-parties didn't factor into that at the time. Things are different now, and third-parties factor in now because Nintendo is aiming for expansion rather than simply trying to stay in the home console market.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 10, 2012, 03:34:13 AM
Here's the thing: Nintendo had to be conservative with the Wii, or else it would have been very risky.

I just want to interject and point out that being too excessively conservative is also taking a risk of sorts. I don't think this will happen with the Wii U, but if Nintendo had really cheaped out on the hardware and made only the bare minimum of updates in order to pull off the new controller gimmick and HD there would have been a strong possibility both the market and developers would have wanted nothing to do with it.

Again, I don't think that's the case because from the rumors we are hearing it seems like at least most developers are pleased with it. But it was something Nintendo could have done.

Maybe the best example I can think of where a console went too conservative and ended up failing as a result is the Atari 5200 which was the sequel to the far more popular Atari 2600. The 5200 was an extremely minor and insignificant improvement over the 2600, so the market rejected it. It was just too similar to the console that came out before.

Then Atari made the same mistake all over again by following the 5200 up with the 7800 which was yet again another minor incremental improvement over its predecessor.

One thing Nintendo has shown with the Wii is that the market will be willing to tolerate an incremental hardware improvement, so long as there is some major gimmick or other selling point to go with it. In the case of the Wii there was of course the motion controls, and as a result of that people were able to accept that it was just a Gamecube on steroids. But the Atari 5200 and 7800 didn't have anything like that. Same basic controls and same basic software, with just minor graphical improvements.

Was going conservative with the Wii hardware a risky move on the part of Nintendo? Well, if the motion gaming aspect wasn't there the whole thing would have flopped. So I think Nintendo was taking somewhat of a gamble, albeit a very educated one.
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Post by: Dasmos on April 10, 2012, 03:50:13 AM
Wow, this thread sure turned into a floundering cesspool of pessimism fast. I'm not however suprised who instigated the negativity, it's the same jugheads who always do.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 10, 2012, 04:26:04 AM
Wow, this thread sure turned into a floundering cesspool of pessimism fast. I'm not however suprised who instigated the negativity, it's the same jugheads who always do.

Nintendo is D))MEDDDD!!!

<cue those mocking the "Nintendo is doomed" mockers>

Seriously, forget you all - Day 1 WiiU purchase, right here, baby.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 10, 2012, 04:43:28 AM
Wow, this thread sure turned into a floundering cesspool of pessimism fast. I'm not however suprised who instigated the negativity, it's the same jugheads who always do.

What can people do? This thread is the thread of negativity. Rumors are always bound to have speculation and that always causes conflict and confict leads to 2 sides and if not dealt correctly it leads pessimism. I am thinking of a Yoda quote from Star Wars right now which would be appropriate here...
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Post by: Dasmos on April 10, 2012, 04:59:43 AM
What can people do?

People can wait. People can not jump to conclusions and get ahead of themselves based on absolutely nothing. And sure this can go both ways, people get ahead of themselves and over-hype everything. But isn't it more conducive to discussion and active participation in discussion to conduct this in a positive way rather than a negative one, especially when most of the stuff people are arguing over is speculation and opinion?

But hey, we're probably doomed to see the same posters spouting their same stagnant opinions over even more stagnant discussions forever.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 10, 2012, 05:42:34 AM
What can people do?

People can wait. People can not jump to conclusions and get ahead of themselves based on absolutely nothing. And sure this can go both ways, people get ahead of themselves and over-hype everything. But isn't it more conducive to discussion and active participation in discussion to conduct this in a positive way rather than a negative one, especially when most of the stuff people are arguing over is speculation and opinion?

But hey, we're probably doomed to see the same posters spouting their same stagnant opinions over even more stagnant discussions forever.

Well you are right about that first part it is usually a good idea to go about the positive way and the informed way. I mean I have heard that this forum be called the best Nintendo Forum out there in the past. I haven't really been feeling it lately though. Also the members here are I have been told the brightest out the in the Nintendo Forums. Hmm I wonder if that is still true. I know the forums have pretty much shifted as far as mood and I think that has to do with a number of factors. Different personalities, active forum members becoming staff, and members leaving.

I guess what I am getting at is that if you are unsure about a rumor or something go do the research yourself. Don't believe everything you hear.I know we become lazy and we want everything given to us on a silver platter but when become lazy then become lax and then we become irritable and that can can lead to something like this thread.

Oh by the way Dasmos that wasn't really directed at you it was directed at the people arguing in the thread.
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Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2012, 09:12:11 AM
I don't really get the negativity. Aside from some dissenting comments from annonymous sources, we've been hearing nothing but good things from people who matter and aren't afraid to put their money where their mouth is. The only thing I would have liked to have seen (as in an actual video or pic of) is 2 tablet controllers being used on a single console. That's the 1 thing that hasn't been confirmed though I recall someone from Nintendo of Europe saying something along the lines of "We never said there would only be 1 per console" but that's still not a confirmation.

Otherwise, I haven't been this excited about Nintendo hardware since the Gamecube, maybe even the Nintendo 64. I have a PS3 so I don't need a Wii U for 3rd party titles but I'm excited all the same. I'm excited when I hear new titles announced. People seem to be waiting for Nintendo to screw up and so far they really haven't. There are a few nuisances like the console not supporting Blu Ray movie playback and even that's not a big deal. Everything else from the 25GB discs to Nintendo Network has been good news. Anyone who is viewing Wii U negatively at this juncture is looking for something negative to be worried about. Everyone was caught with their pants down with the Wii. With Wii U, Nintendo has already admitted that they've been more open with 3rd parties and have actively sought their thoughts and suggestions. And it shows. 3rd parties love the thing and are actually announcing games instead of saying "we'll look into it."
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 10, 2012, 09:36:26 AM
The problem right now is if you're looking at things sanely and reasonably you get caught in the crossfire between two sources of obnoxiousness. One one hand you've got the people who are immediately ready to believe the worst about Nintendo and are endlessly negative and pessimistic, yet still come here for some reason, and then on the opposite side are the people who get angry any time someone says something even remotely negative, even when it's clearly justified. I love these forums dearly, but they're in kind of a bad way recently, and I'm not sure how to get them out of it, which is probably my job as King of the Forums.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 10, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
I feel like these forums are starting to allow the bad vibes that the rest of the industry throws at Nintendo to seep into the conversations.  So the more people who allow that, the more pessimism and infighting occur.  I think it has gone on for a couple years now, especially since all the 3rd party games that "core" gamers want are all going to the 360/PS3.

I also think Nintendo allowed these bad vibes to fester.  I always believed that the Wii should have been a 4 year system at most due to being so underpowered.  So when the other systems were able to do motion controls similar to the Wii and have the better graphics, the Wii started to get more and more of those bad vibes. 

I used to be a diehard Nintendo fan and always buy the Nintendo system first before even thinking about the other systems.  The WiiU doesn't excite me like the N64,GCN and Wii did when hearing the rumors and speculation and the game videos leading up to launch.

My real hope is that Nintendo blows me away when the truly reveal the WiiU and all its capabilities.  If it does that, I think the negativity on these forums will slowly, but surely, dissipate and it'll be like the first coupld years of the Wii again.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 10, 2012, 01:12:13 PM
Rumors lead to speculation.

Speculation leads to fear.

Fear leads to anger.

Anger leads to hatred.

Hatred leads to the Dark Side.

All that we have been discussing is, in fact, speculation. You can pick and choose what rumors you want to believe in, but when it all comes down to it, this is a forum about Nintendo discussion. Hell, it's a forum about loving Nintendo. I came here to gush and be excited about this console. I'm excited, what else can I say? I want pretty Nintendo games, and I want reviewing websites to start treating Nintendo like it's not on a different level because of its poor graphical ability. I want to play online Nintendo games- I want to SEE how Nintendo makes online games. Those are the things I would like to talk about.

But this is what has currently been happening, and you can't blame people for getting up in arms about it. Rumors are something, and at a time when we've been hearing nothing solid about the Wii U, we'll take anything we can get.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 10, 2012, 01:23:29 PM
I love these forums dearly, but they're in kind of a bad way recently, and I'm not sure how to get them out of it, which is probably my job as King of the Forums.

You could use your power as "king of the forums" to ban everyone you don't agree with. Then everyone who remains would be in agreement with you, and then there'd be happy times with no disagreement or argument whatsoever.

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But isn't it more conducive to discussion and active participation in discussion to conduct this in a positive way rather than a negative one,

No. If everyone only praises everything Nintendo does and never criticizes them over anything they do wrong then there would be no discussion whatsoever. There has to be someone to tell it like it is, even if what it is isn't pretty.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 10, 2012, 02:56:41 PM
I don't think Neal would be happy with me if I started banning people for disagreeing with me. I can dream, though.
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Post by: Ceric on April 10, 2012, 03:15:23 PM
I honestly think a lot of it is there isn't much engaging Nintendo news really at the moment.  This is how it is right before an E3 that we know will be huge.  I think things will become better again when we have WiiU and like.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 10, 2012, 03:32:11 PM
If insanolord can ban people for disagreeing with him then we're all fucked because we all like Super Mario World and A Link to the Past. ;)

My pessimism regarding the Wii U stems from utter distrust in Nintendo.  The N64 and Gamecube years were rough but I felt that overall Nintendo and I were still on the same page.  I became a Nintendo fan because of their commitment to quality and innovation.  They rarely made bad games and were incredibly ambitious and creative with their games, even when making sequels.  With the Wii, they compromised those qualities.  They just took it too far and lost my trust.  Everyone has a breaking point and they pushed me past it.  So, **** it, they want to patch things up they have to EARN my trust all over again.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 10, 2012, 03:44:46 PM
I think E3 is going to be a real turning point. If Nintendo hits it out of the park with the Wii U presentation and keeps building on the 3DS, I think the forums will settle down and get back to where they were before. If E3 is a disappointment, though, this is going to get way worse.

It's clear that the lack of solid information is what's causing this, and as this is a discussion forum, if we're not given information to discuss we're going to be prone to speculation to fill that void. The near-total lack of quality Wii software in the last year combined with the rocky start to the 3DS have got people pessimistic, at least somewhat understandably so. The 3DS has really come around now and boasts a pretty impressive lineup for being just over a year old, so I think that gives people a better attitude, and if Nintendo has a strong showing at E3, as I'm sure we all hope is the case, I think things will calm down.

This is shaping up to be one of the most important E3s Nintendo's ever had, and I can't wait to see what they have in store.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 10, 2012, 03:47:15 PM
I honestly think a lot of it is there isn't much engaging Nintendo news really at the moment.  This is how it is right before an E3 that we know will be huge.  I think things will become better again when we have WiiU and like.

Probably the most likely reason, when new is slow people will jump on any little bit of information, even if it is just a rumor. At the moment I put the most stock in what Nintendo has said, and what non-anonymous developers have said. Everything else is rumor and speculation, though sometimes speculation can be fun to discuss as well.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 10, 2012, 03:57:46 PM
The explanation for all the pessimism regarding Nintendo is really very simple. Its because a lot of people got burned on the Wii, or at least felt disappointed with it. There are also a lot of people who were satisfied or happy with the Wii and that's perfectly fine, but I think the people who love the Wii have a hard time understanding where those who didn't like the Wii are coming from.

But anyway, that's all there is to it. The pessimism regarding the Wii U stems from the disappointment over the Wii. A lot of us are worried its going to be an underpowered system relative to the competition. That's a perfectly reasonable and rational thing to be worried about, because that's exactly what just happened in the present generation.

A lot of the pessimism went away when many developers began talking about being pleased with the Wii U hardware. The only thing which has changed recently was the anonymous rumors that the system was weaker than the PS360. This ignited a fresh wave of pessimism that wasn't there a few weeks ago.

But those of you who don't like the air of pessimism don't have to worry, because its not going to last. One of two things is going to happen in the near future: 1) It will be revealed that the Wii U will be a satisfactorily powerful system which will prove those rumors were just bullshit, or 2) It will be revealed that the Wii U really is as weak as those rumors suggest, and if that's the case we don't need to worry about it being that way because then we will know for certain it is that way. Well, actually I guess the second one won't really get rid of the pessimism, but it would certainly validate it.
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Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
A lot of the pessimism went away when many developers began talking about being pleased with the Wii U hardware. The only thing which has changed recently was the anonymous rumors that the system was weaker than the PS360. This ignited a fresh wave of pessimism that wasn't there a few weeks ago.
See, that is the part that people don't understand. That means any Joe Schmoe with an imagination and an internet connection can run his mouth without even a lick of evidence supporting his claims and pessimists are going eat it up. How does that even make any sense? How does some anonymous source invalidate months of good will and good news? That's what makes pessimism so exhausting to be around and why people (not even just the optimists) are like, "Uh, what just happened?"

If a complete stranger gave you a bowl of something and you don't know what it is or what's in it and they just insist that it's edible, would you eat that? I wouldn't and that's why I brushed off those reports. There's a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Then again, I suppose if you were hungry enough, you'd eat it so I understand the stance that we're starved for news and it's easy to grasp onto something that comes along even if it's unhealthy. I kind of wish some of the people who were praising Wii U weeks and months ago would step forward and say, "Yeah, I don't know what the hell that's about. All nonsense, don't listen to it."
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 10, 2012, 05:36:18 PM
A lot of the pessimism went away when many developers began talking about being pleased with the Wii U hardware. The only thing which has changed recently was the anonymous rumors that the system was weaker than the PS360. This ignited a fresh wave of pessimism that wasn't there a few weeks ago.
See, that is the part that people don't understand. That means any Joe Schmoe with an imagination and an internet connection can run his mouth without even a lick of evidence supporting his claims and pessimists are going eat it up. How does that even make any sense? How does some anonymous source invalidate months of good will and good news? That's what makes pessimism so exhausting to be around and why people (not even just the optimists) are like, "Uh, what just happened?"

If a complete stranger gave you a bowl of something and you don't know what it is or what's in it and they just insist that it's edible, would you eat that? I wouldn't and that's why I brushed off those reports. There's a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Then again, I suppose if you were hungry enough, you'd eat it so I understand the stance that we're starved for news and it's easy to grasp onto something that comes along even if it's unhealthy. I kind of wish some of the people who were praising Wii U weeks and months ago would step forward and say, "Yeah, I don't know what the hell that's about. All nonsense, don't listen to it."

You know you are right. In part the reason I haven't been in this thread much is because I have been focusing on my backlog of games and upcoming Wii games and quite frankly until the Wii U is a few months away I am not going to bother with it as far as rumors. I will try to look and differentiate between the news and the rumors but until there is a big reveal from Nintendo I am just going to enjoy this generation of games. It isn't over until the next console hits or the previous system stops being supported.
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Post by: Stogi on April 10, 2012, 06:15:42 PM
If a complete stranger gave you a bowl of something and you don't know what it is or what's in it and they just insist that it's edible, would you eat that?

I would, but that's because I'm not a pessimist. ;)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 10, 2012, 08:00:23 PM
Adrock, those anonymous rumors in and of themselves weren't a big deal and were easy to brush off. What made them most troubling was how Nintendo reacted to them. Instead of denying them, Nintendo seemed to get defensive about it and said "we care more about gameplay than technical specs". That's the thing which has raised some red flags.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 10, 2012, 08:20:06 PM
Adrock, those anonymous rumors in and of themselves weren't a big deal and were easy to brush off. What made them most troubling was how Nintendo reacted to them. Instead of denying them, Nintendo seemed to get defensive about it and said "we care more about gameplay than technical specs". That's the thing which has raised some red flags.

Isn't that how they usually try to spin things? Nintendo, at least since the GC era (I don't even recall them bragging about the hardware of the GC) has emphasized gameplay over visuals even if the visuals are still apart of the package. Sometimes they come across as having more pride and focus over the true heart of a game, the gameplay, rather then visuals, always have.

Or the statement could have easily been more of a PR mistake. Either way there are lots of explanations other then them trying to cover up a severely underpowered system.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 10, 2012, 08:29:05 PM
Nintendo's just on their own time-table. They don't care what other developers are doing, they'll take their sweet time in crafting whatever they want for release.

I am glad that they have acknowledged online gaming as a whole, though.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 10, 2012, 09:07:25 PM
Or the statement could have easily been more of a PR mistake.

I'm convinced that that is exactly what this is. If Nintendo had just said "Nintendo does not comment on rumors and speculation." like they always do I think they could have avoided a lot of this.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 10, 2012, 09:17:03 PM
Or the statement could have easily been more of a PR mistake.

I'm convinced that that is exactly what this is. If Nintendo had just said "Nintendo does not comment on rumors and speculation." like they always do I think they could have avoided a lot of this.
Truth.
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Post by: Mannypon on April 10, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
You can spin their respone any way you want I think.  If Nintendo were to say their system was beyond what the current gens are (which IMO is true) then people would've taken that statement and aimed for the stars with their expectations.  Nintendo would have never been able to live up to those expectations.  If Nintendo came out and were modest about their specs compared to the other gens, then the naysayers would've jumped all over that just as they are now.  I think if Nintendo is upset about anything, its not about specs but more so about having to reiterate their belief that gameplay trumps all.  A belief they have proved time and time again especially this last generation.  They released a significantly weak system and still managed to make compelling software, some more so than what you would find on the "high end" PS360.  The system with the weak specs managed to become the number 1 system this gen and one of the best selling systems of all time.  How many times does Nintendo have to tell people that specs don't mean anything in the end, the developers and their skills are what count.  That is what Nintendo is upset about if anything at all. 
 
All in all, I'll follow what I hear from our resident sleuths and the few reliable members at neogaf who know what they are talking about.  Based on what they are saying, the WiiU will not be a powerhouse of a system but it def will not be below a PS360.   In the end, that's good enough for me.  If Nintendo can produce games that look like the demos they showed off last year, the thing could have NES guts for all I care. 
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2012, 11:05:30 PM
If Nintendo can produce games that look like the demos they showed off last year, the thing could have NES guts for all I care. 

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Post by: broodwars on April 11, 2012, 12:41:46 AM
The Wii U's already a hard sell with me, as I found the Wii years just abysmal both in terms of 3rd party and 1st party software (outside a few select titles).  Nintendo seems to be targeting people like me who went multiplatform because of their bungling with the Wii, but so far they haven't demonstrated why I'd want to leave my PS3/360 for the Wii U.  It would probably be the final nail in the coffin with me if it turns out the Wii U is as powerful or less than the current Sony and Microsoft platforms.  At that point, I can play anything 3rd party I'd want to play on the consoles I already own with pretty much the same graphical fidelity and none of Nintendo's gimmicky B.S.  When Sony/Microsoft leapfrogged Nintendo again with their next platforms, the Wii years would just repeat themselves when it came to 3rd party support.  And as Nintendo's 1st party titles don't tend to appeal to me as much these days, I don't think I'd be losing much 1st party-wise.

The Wii U needs to be at least technologically on-par with where Sony and Microsoft are likely headed, or the 3rd parties will drop it again after a year or two.  I'll believe the stories about the Wii U's specs when Nintendo releases them themselves, but it's troubling that these rumors are starting to creep up now when Nintendo is very close to unveiling the finalized Wii U at E3.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on April 11, 2012, 01:16:20 AM
The Wii U's already a hard sell with me, as I found the Wii years just abysmal both in terms of 3rd party and 1st party software (outside a few select titles).  Nintendo seems to be targeting people like me who went multiplatform because of their bungling with the Wii, but so far they haven't demonstrated why I'd want to leave my PS3/360 for the Wii U.  It would probably be the final nail in the coffin with me if it turns out the Wii U is as powerful or less than the current Sony and Microsoft platforms.  At that point, I can play anything 3rd party I'd want to play on the consoles I already own with pretty much the same graphical fidelity and none of Nintendo's gimmicky B.S.  When Sony/Microsoft leapfrogged Nintendo again with their next platforms, the Wii years would just repeat themselves when it came to 3rd party support.  And as Nintendo's 1st party titles don't tend to appeal to me as much these days, I don't think I'd be losing much 1st party-wise.

The Wii U needs to be at least technologically on-par with where Sony and Microsoft are likely headed, or the 3rd parties will drop it again after a year or two.  I'll believe the stories about the Wii U's specs when Nintendo releases them themselves, but it's troubling that these rumors are starting to creep up now when Nintendo is very close to unveiling the finalized Wii U at E3.

That all may well turn out to be true, but I can't get worked up about it. If all of these rumors about PlayStation and Xbox next gen turn out to be true about constant internet and used game blocking and whathaveyou, combined with the integrity destroying DLC practices being embraced by all of the major 3rd party developers, then I will not be partaking of any other consoles. I think the Wii had the best games of the generation, in it's own weird ignored way, but I still bought an Xbox to catch up on "current gen" stuff. A lot of it has been entertaining in a transient way, but the major design and art direction aesthetics that have taken root in the PS3/Xbox era have been distressingly lame. Nintendo is the only outfit pushing a big segment of what video games are; even the awkward transition properties like Jak and Daxter have petered out for the most part, leaving nobody developing non-sports, non-GOW games for retail release. If the WiiU crashes and burns with the current hegemony, and Nintendo can support another console based on 80% their efforts alone, then so be it. It'll be better than the alternative.

I might fall into a weird category, though, in that I play through maybe 12 games a year on average, and I'd prefer 6 great Nintendo games over 18 Unreal Engine products. This market segment might explain why Nintendo still makes consoles. It's like a regional restaurant!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 11, 2012, 01:21:29 AM
Magic Cow brings up an excellent point. Even if the Wii U is no more powerful than the PS360, when you look at these rumors about the PS420 being download only, or requiring constant internet access, or locking out used games, and etc. then even if the Wii U is weak and a generation behind it would remain the last non-Orwellian console in existence, and that surely counts for something.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 11, 2012, 01:29:07 AM
The Wii U needs to be at least technologically on-par with where Sony and Microsoft are likely headed, or the 3rd parties will drop it again after a year or two.  I'll believe the stories about the Wii U's specs when Nintendo releases them themselves, but it's troubling that these rumors are starting to creep up now when Nintendo is very close to unveiling the finalized Wii U at E3.

So a no name anonymous rumor has more credibility then actual named major developers that have praised the Wii U and it's hardware power?  So if I anonymously post a rumor saying Iwata has a doomsday device and plans on destoying the world on Friday, everyone in the world should start to panic because since it's an anonymous rumor, it must be true?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 11, 2012, 01:33:29 AM
Like the Wii U spec rumors, I think we have to take the PS4/Xbox Next rumors with a grain of salt.  I could see Sony or Microsoft deciding to attempt to lock out Used Games,  but I find it unlikely that both would make that same mistake, especially Sony given their severe financial woes of late. They really can't afford that sort of high-risk, grand-scale experiment right now.

If the rumors are true, it's also quite possible that they've been blown out of proportion a bit.  For instance, Used Games could merely have some sort of standardized fee to unlock the full content, not that much different really than the online pass system many companies are doing these days and gamers are begrudgingly used to by now.  I'll make my call on it when I have more information.

Unfortunately, we probably won't know the truth of the Sony/Microsoft rumors till the end of this year or early next year, if those two are telling the truth about not revealing any next-gen system details at E3.  We'll know the truth of the Wii U rumors in a couple of months.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 11, 2012, 01:38:26 AM
The Wii U needs to be at least technologically on-par with where Sony and Microsoft are likely headed, or the 3rd parties will drop it again after a year or two.  I'll believe the stories about the Wii U's specs when Nintendo releases them themselves, but it's troubling that these rumors are starting to creep up now when Nintendo is very close to unveiling the finalized Wii U at E3.

So a no name anonymous rumor has more credibility then actual named major developers that have praised the Wii U and it's hardware power?

I take my rumors with a grain of salt, just as I do Sunny statements from developers trying to con people into buying launch-day software.  Nintendo is no stranger to developers sipping the Kool-Aid for a while in public statements which eventually come to nothing.  Just ask Dennis Dyack.  Nintendo's been awfully reticent to reveal details on the Wii U for a console where being more powerful than the current HD consoles would be a major selling point.

For the moment, I believe the truth is somewhere in-between "it's slightly more powerful than the existing HD consoles" and "it's less powerful than the existing HD consoles."  i.e. "it's about as powerful as the existing HD consoles."  It fits Nintendo's track record, and given the complaining I've seen from some developers over not wanting another hardware generation it's quite possible that Nintendo would try to give them what they want with more of this hardware generation in the Wii U.  It's basically what they thought they were doing with the Wii, only they forgot that developers largely sat out on the GameCube as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ejamer on April 11, 2012, 01:41:50 AM
The Wii U needs to be at least technologically on-par with where Sony and Microsoft are likely headed, or the 3rd parties will drop it again after a year or two.  I'll believe the stories about the Wii U's specs when Nintendo releases them themselves, but it's troubling that these rumors are starting to creep up now when Nintendo is very close to unveiling the finalized Wii U at E3.

Troubling?  Maybe.  Suspicious?  The conspiracy lover in me definitely thinks so.  Unconfirmed rumors based on speculation from unnamed devs just as Nintendo starts their Wii U marketing push?  Tell me that Sony and MS don't love it, assuming they aren't behind it from the get go.

Anyway, I don't think that Wii U needs to be on par with the future MS/Sony consoles at all, or that being limited to a modest upgrade in processing power (to PS3/360 levels) would hurt their sales viability any more than it hurt Wii.  It would be frustrating for some gamers... but most people who really care will probably end up owning multiple consoles anyway, just like what happened this generation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 11, 2012, 02:24:25 AM
Nintendo's been awfully reticent to reveal details on the Wii U for a console where being more powerful than the current HD consoles would be a major selling point.

I think to get into a spec match would only open the door to unfavorable comparisons.

"Oh Nintendo only has 1GB of RAM.... PS4 has 4X THE AMOUNT OF RAM!!!"
"Wii U can push 100million pixels.... Xbox1080 can push 1 BILLION PIXELS!!!"

fanboys: PS1080 is 4X-10X more powerful than Wii U!!

I think it's best for Nintendo to stay out of the tech comparison game and just let the systems features and games speak for themselves. And I say this fully wanting to know what in the machine but also knowing that if games can deliver, then the specifics of the tech in the box don't really matter all that much.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on April 11, 2012, 02:47:40 AM
I liked what I read on Tom's Hardware's comments when they posted the rumors about the WiiU being less powerful than the PS360 systems.  Many people laughed at that stating that the rumored hardware for the WiiU that everyone was touting only a couple months ago was based on the 7 series IBM processors, which are three or four generations newer than the 360's processor. And the GPU is based on the R700 chips, which are 3-4 generations newer than either PS3 (a 7900GeForce card or something close) or the 360 (I don't remember which one it has).  So there's no possible way the WiiU is less powerful than current systems based on the rumored hardware that has been discovered.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on April 11, 2012, 03:15:51 AM
Also, I dunno... I think having a console on-par with Microsoft and Sony's current gen for 300 bucks isn't really that bad of an investment. It's still gonna have good online, and the games will be pretty- and it won't be as much of a price commitment as the other two current gen consoles- the 360 less so. And it will just have good, solid games made by Nintendo, and hopefully good third party stuff too.

Whether we like it or not, everyone has to admit that Nintendo makes a specific type of gaming experience- they make damn good games that are about high quality and imagination. That's the truth.That's why I buy them. That's why I continue to buy them, and that's why I enjoyed the Wii so much- they committed and worked with an idea, and they exploited it to the max. They sold that console on that idea. But really, games like Mario, Zelda, Monster Hunter, Xenoblade, and Dragon Quest, even- they simply work better on a Nintendo console because that's where developers get to let imagination, color, and vivacity come to life. (Mind you, some games are dark and gritty on Nintendo consoles, but they too are unique, like Madworld and No More Heroes).

I believe that the Wii U is going to drive a very different concept into people- I think the Wii U's gimmick is really going to be the internet. How Nintendo deals with DLC and virtual purchases and implementing this crazy internet into our gaming experience. The tablet kind of enforces that, because it's a tool for both playing and communicating your commands in ways that you can't with just face buttons and analog sticks. I mean, for more traditional games I think it will be more of a single-player gameplay enhancer, like being a world map or a use as a place to control your character's actions (but for HD level graphics). But loading out, issuing commands, and communicating with other players is going to be perfect for this system, and that's why I think we've heard rumors of MMO's on this console. I think it will just work for hotkeying and commune like in World of Warcraft, and I think it could greatly enhance games like Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (in its more traditional GC-esque form), Monster Hunter, and even Pokemon. Because players don't really play in the same room anymore- I think Nintendo's beginning to realize that- but I think that they'll continue to use Wiimotes for local co-op, still. I think the tablet will be used in congruence with Wiimotes for local play, actually, as we've seen with games like Find Mii, etc.

But the additional abilities of being a NFC, app download (specifically ebooks and board games, smart move), and some independent functions for the controller also make it widely appealing to households as a family device. I think that's how the Wii U may be an attempt to satiate both the casual and hardcore.

In other words, I think that the Wii U has plenty going for it, in concept. A lot of game developers are going to want to work on the system for what it can do for gaming- even more will if the device proves more powerful than current gen offerings, but even if that's not true, it will still have developers. Because without the Wii, a lot of cool games wouldn't have seen the light of day- and that will be the same with this console.

And Nintendo will keep standards high with their own titles. I think that's the fantastic thing about Nintendo, really- they partly maintain a high quality for their system with their own releases and show people how good it can really be. That's why I think Pikmin 3 might come out later than launch to make way for a Nintendo title that really showcases the Wii U's possibility... OR it will do so itself, if it can. Which it could.

So... I guess what I'm saying is... uh... Nintendo's cool? That, and "relax, everybody". I think we're forgetting that nothing about the actual content and fantastic experience is going to change with this new console- and nothing's going to change with the developers we see jumping on board with the system- be they new or old, they will exist. They will continue to create games that work on Nintendo consoles- games like Mutant Mudds and Mighty Switch Force and Xenoblade Chronicles and Ivy the Kiwi and Zelda and Mario.  I mean, it takes some thinking, but when you really take Nintendo's words to heart- "it's all about the play experience," you have to think back at how they choose what they think they can work with the best. We all know how Nintendo made the Wii a successful device- motion control and casual appeal. But when you think of why the Gamecube was swell, it was because Nintedo loved working with the improved graphics- and they expanded on such ideas as having a handheld device like the GBA attach and enhance. The N64 was all about taking games into 3D and implementing all those different controller options- rumble packs, memory, gameboy cartridges. So I think we're just seeing a system that catches itself up with what's out there currently and will show us how Nintendo quality and innovation apply to what they've created- a controller that's going to be a great home device for the family as well as an asset to online gaming and control methods.

That blog post (http://nerdraeg.blogspot.com/2012/04/infinite-hope-or-lets-talk-about.html) practically wrote itself.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 11, 2012, 03:54:50 AM
This can't be right. Am I on the right forum? 3 positive posts in a row!

In all seriousness. BlackNMild you do make great points it is the games that sell the systems. It always has and always will. A great game is timeless no matter the system or hardware specs.

@LouieTurkey Yep that is what I was talking about earlier doing your research and finding about the rumors and dispelling them with truth. Nice job.

@Even_B You talk about internet's in that post well you deserve 10,000 internet's for that post.

 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 11, 2012, 04:11:23 AM
In all seriousness. BlackNMild you do make great points it is the games that sell the systems. It always has and always will. A great game is timeless no matter the system or hardware specs.

In all seriousness, tell that to Nintendo.  They've hyped their last two systems focusing solely on their respective gimmicks: the Wiimote's motion control for the Wii and "3D without the glasses" for the 3DS, and IMO at least in the Wii's case I've found their software for the platform rather lacking.  That's something that troubles me with the Wii U as well: once again, Nintendo has focused on the gimmick of the tablet controller rather than their content.  As the saying goes, "content is king" but Nintendo seems more interested in talking about the interface than their content.  After all, once you start focusing on the content, some of Nintendo's more glacially-evolving franchises start to show their age.  That was the big failure of the Wii U's last E3 appearance, so hopefully Nintendo is ready to rectify that this E3 by showing that they have great games coming for the Wii U (rather than "games with an interesting control method").

A great game is a great game, regardless of platform; genre; or interface device.  If Nintendo wants me to buy into the Wii U, they need to start by showing that their content is worth buying the device for, not the idea of playing games with a tablet controller.  I can already play great games on other consoles without a tablet controller.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 11, 2012, 05:48:56 AM
In all seriousness. BlackNMild you do make great points it is the games that sell the systems. It always has and always will. A great game is timeless no matter the system or hardware specs.

In all seriousness, tell that to Nintendo.  They've hyped their last two systems focusing solely on their respective gimmicks: the Wiimote's motion control for the Wii and "3D without the glasses" for the 3DS, and IMO at least in the Wii's case I've found their software for the platform rather lacking.  That's something that troubles me with the Wii U as well: once again, Nintendo has focused on the gimmick of the tablet controller rather than their content.  As the saying goes, "content is king" but Nintendo seems more interested in talking about the interface than their content.  After all, once you start focusing on the content, some of Nintendo's more glacially-evolving franchises start to show their age.  That was the big failure of the Wii U's last E3 appearance, so hopefully Nintendo is ready to rectify that this E3 by showing that they have great games coming for the Wii U (rather than "games with an interesting control method").

A great game is a great game, regardless of platform; genre; or interface device.  If Nintendo wants me to buy into the Wii U, they need to start by showing that their content is worth buying the device for, not the idea of playing games with a tablet controller.  I can already play great games on other consoles without a tablet controller.

I don't have a direct line to Iwata so I can't tell that to him. It isn't the "gimmicks" make the system it is the whole experence.The audio,visual, controls, gameplay,characters, and the memories and community and the "gimmicks" that make the system. They are all important pieces. The Wii had a whole lot of that. I can't speak for the 3DS yet but from what I have seen of gameplay and videos it is pretty impressive. 

I don't know about you but I have a lot of Wii games that I still need to buy and a lot of Wii games that I need to go through in my backlog. Some people only buy one game a month and some buy many a week. Personal taste is personal taste.

If you are so worried about the future of the Wii U then just take a wait and see approach because there is really no harm in that. Also if you don't think that any games from Nintendo will appeal to you then there is no harm in waiting on the sidelines and not getting a Wii U until you happen to see something that you see that grabs you and want to grab a Wii U.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 11, 2012, 06:06:41 AM
3DS, despite what they may have focused on in the beginning is doing quite well for itself with a bunch of A+++ games with even more in the wing. The Wii U is still probably 6 months or more from release, and it is unfair to judge them focusing on the tablet back almost a year ago! Like it or not, the tablet is a positive selling point for the Wii U, and so early on in a console's unveiling, there is absolutely nothing wrong with pushing that feature, especially since the big games were likely not ready to be shown.

Every console in history has some feature they tout, including Sony and MS who love touting all the multimedia features a system can do. I fail to see how that is much different from Nintendo showing off something that will actually impact how games are played on their system. In fact, I'd argue it is more relevant. The primary difference is that Nintendo is usually not willing to show trailers for games that aren't ready to show, unlike Sony and MS who do enjoy their CGI teaser trailers. There is nothing wrong with what Sony and MS do, but on the flip side there is nothing wrong with what Nintendo's philosophy has ALWAYS been as well.

Whine and complain all one wants about Nintendo showing off a new controller, but at least their focus has always been on the heart of a gaming system, which is gaming which is the focus of any new input method, even if it may be flawed. Nintendo does their own thing and doesn't get caught up in the modern day leap frog of showing games long before they are ready to be shown, by videos that may be not representative of the final product.

Also we are getting heavily into the laws of diminishing returns this generation. The focus is likely going to shift to things other then the game visuals, such physics and AI. And even that is going to run into a cap because of this thing called financial resources and development costs. As someone who plays PC games, my old Radeon 4870 X2 card still manages to keep up quite well with most newer games, including games made exclusively for PC, on high settings as well. For the first time ever I have been in no rush to upgrade any of my components in my desktop. The only reason why I'll likely have to upgrade the graphics card is because mine is showing signs of dieing completely.

Not to say there aren't still places where gaming "power" can take things, but that wall appears closer now, then it ever has been before, especially due to the limits of even HD televisions. I think this last generation will be one of the first where games hardly look "ugly" in comparison to next generation games.


Whatever happens this next generation should be more interesting then others to see what truly separates the gaming consoles when it comes to the games themselves in the visuals/physics/AI/etc department. I don't think any of us really know what will happen, especially when you consider that development costs are already putting major strain on developers, and with game sales lagging overall, it may really impact this next generation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Padawan of Windu on April 11, 2012, 11:40:39 AM
I was sad to read the quote yesterday that Suda51 doesn't have a Wii U dev kit yet.  When he said he would make No More Heroes 3 for the next nintendo console, I was so excited.  Hopefully he gets on it after Lollipop Chainsaw (or a new Killer7, dear god a new Killer7 please.)  I was lucky enough to meet him Saturday at PAX East!  He was just standing around and I got to talk to him for a bit.  He didn't understand all of it (one of his translators came over halfway through our conversation), but was impressed when I told him I made it all the way through Flower, Sun, and Rain on DS.  He had a Whaaaaa?? expression on his face, haha.  I asked him to make Killer7 2, and tried to get him to say Coyote Smith's quote "You're F*cked!" (Can we swear on here?) but he was just like "Yup, yup, Killer7, thanks for being a fan!"  I got a picture with him, too - (I've never met a game developer before and was kind of starstruck, haha.)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2012, 12:43:03 PM
Suda51's next project is Killer Is Dead on PS3/360, no relation to Killer 7. I wouldn't be surprised to see ports of Lollipop Chainsaw and Killer Is Dead. They should hold No More Heroes fans over until a sequel is made.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MagicCow64 on April 11, 2012, 01:12:14 PM

Like the Wii U spec rumors, I think we have to take the PS4/Xbox Next rumors with a grain of salt.  I could see Sony or Microsoft deciding to attempt to lock out Used Games,  but I find it unlikely that both would make that same mistake, especially Sony given their severe financial woes of late. They really can't afford that sort of high-risk, grand-scale experiment right now.

I was pretty suspicious of the PS/Xbox next gen rumors, but over the course of the last two months there have been quotes splashed every other day on Gamespot by high-profile devs complaining about how bad used games are for the industry. It feels like the third parties are linking arms and putting the pressure on Sony/MS to move to an always-on DRM system or at the very least charge for access to used games. Which would be bogus and demonstrate the industry's continued confusion about what ownership is and what the nature of its product is. I think they're longer-term really itching to move to all-digital-download, so they can hack up games to their hearts desire and sell them piece by piece.

Nintendo might luck into a superior market position this time around by being a generation behind as far as shiesty business practices go.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 11, 2012, 01:25:08 PM

Like the Wii U spec rumors, I think we have to take the PS4/Xbox Next rumors with a grain of salt.  I could see Sony or Microsoft deciding to attempt to lock out Used Games,  but I find it unlikely that both would make that same mistake, especially Sony given their severe financial woes of late. They really can't afford that sort of high-risk, grand-scale experiment right now.

I was pretty suspicious of the PS/Xbox next gen rumors, but over the course of the last two months there have been quotes splashed every other day on Gamespot by high-profile devs complaining about how bad used games are for the industry. It feels like the third parties are linking arms and putting the pressure on Sony/MS to move to an always-on DRM system or at the very least charge for access to used games. Which would be bogus and demonstrate the industry's continued confusion about what ownership is and what the nature of its product is. I think they're longer-term really itching to move to all-digital-download, so they can hack up games to their hearts desire and sell them piece by piece.

Nintendo might luck into a superior market position this time around by being a generation behind as far as shiesty business practices go.

We'll see, I still don't think Sony and MS are going to be that dumb regardless of the rumors. It just seems like suicide for either of them to restrict used games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on April 11, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
Games make the system.  Do you know what I'll always think of when I reflect on the Wii?  Struggling to play DKC Returns because Nintendo insisted on shoehorning some broken, unresponsive **** control scheme into every game because it was an effective marketing tool for rubes.  That's the Wii: potentially great games ruined by **** controls.  So I don't give a **** about this tablet nonsense.  All I care about is if the Wii U will have great games.  To do so the design philosophy has to be entirely to make great games and dumbing down a game to have more casual appeal or going with less responsive controls because it makes a good marketing gimmick goes against the philosophy of making great games.  The sheer presence of the tablet is pretty much a big warning sign for me.  Does Nintendo actually have some great ideas that require this thing or did they just notice that the iPad is big and putting that kind of functionality in their system will make a great marketing gimmick?  Having the marketing department design the controller is a HORRIBLE idea.

Regarding the specs of the system, Nintendo really just needs to make a system that meets the needs and wants of developers.  Last gen third parties wanted to make ONE game that they could port to all platforms.  Nintendo made their system incompatible with that plan so the third party support sucked.  What they need this time is a platform that fits what third parties want to do, whatever the hell that is.  If they do that it doesn't matter what the specs are.  You make the system that developers want to make games for and then the resulting good game selection will attract the gamers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 11, 2012, 01:57:25 PM
At least this time Ian the new controller isn't a 1 or the other type of thing. All the necessary functions are in this controller without having to resort to another controller that people may not have. I think more than anyone you are going to eat up the tablet when it comes out. If only for quicker weapon switches and a clean screen on the tv.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2012, 01:59:06 PM
Does Nintendo actually have some great ideas that require this thing or did they just notice that the iPad is big and putting that kind of functionality in their system will make a great marketing gimmick?  Having the marketing department design the controller is a HORRIBLE idea.
Are you for rizzle? Nintendo has been tinkering with the concept of a second screen on a home console for over 10 years.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 11, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
Anyone remember how word of a 3DS headset popped up a while back? Well, GoNintendo put up a rumor to add to that.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=175301 (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=175301)

And for memory's sake, here's the original account from Nintendo Life:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/10/officially_licensed_3ds_headset_revealed_priced_and_dated (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/10/officially_licensed_3ds_headset_revealed_priced_and_dated)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 11, 2012, 02:50:13 PM
At least this time Ian the new controller isn't a 1 or the other type of thing. All the necessary functions are in this controller without having to resort to another controller that people may not have. I think more than anyone you are going to eat up the tablet when it comes out. If only for quicker weapon switches and a clean screen on the tv.

Yes. There is nothing that people deemed "offensive" about the tablet controller who actually held it. It is a pretty traditional controller, just with a touch capable screen. That to me sounds like a positive evolution as long as it isn't uncomfortable to hold. The Wii mote had issues, but it still provided for some ground breaking titles like Skyward Sword with its motion controls, despite what I might think of the overall game, the motion controls were great and added to my enjoyment, not subtracted from it.

Controllers and input methods always go through bumpy patches, just go back to the N64 controller or even the NES's original pad, and neither are a perfect controller (the N64 was limited and clunky at times with some games, and the NES wasn't that comfortable), in fact they are quite flawed compared to what we have now. Motion controls are still going to be apart of gaming in some form, maybe not on the level of the analog stick on the N64, but will always be there in some form. The Wii may have been a flawed system but it has many wonderful games that complement it as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 11, 2012, 03:00:23 PM
Games make the system.  Do you know what I'll always think of when I reflect on the Wii?  Struggling to play DKC Returns because Nintendo insisted on shoehorning some broken, unresponsive **** control scheme into every game because it was an effective marketing tool for rubes.  That's the Wii: potentially great games ruined by **** controls.  So I don't give a **** about this tablet nonsense.

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think we need to worry quite as much about the tablet controller. The Tablet's gimmick is a touch screen, which could be annoying if games shoe horn that in where it isn't needed, but from having played the DS at least we can be sure the touch screen will be precise and not hit or miss like the wiimote and its waggle controller is.

But the real danger is there is more to the tablet controller than just a touch screen. Apparently it also has gyroscopes and accelerometers, and the E3 presentation last year demonstrated it being used to catch a baseball and things like that. I think this is the area we need to worry about, because this is where things can get really imprecise and wonky.

Another thing we should keep in mind is the Wiimote itself isn't actually dead, because again at E3 2011 they showed that all the Wii accessories we know and "love" will be forward compatible on the Wii U. So once again we may have to deal with that imprecise waggle instead of just doing a button press. But what makes me hopeful is that the Wiimote gimmick is old news now, so it doesn't need to be "proven" like it needed to be on the Wii, so that means developers don't have to shoe horn it into their games. Unfortunately, they still can and probably will in many cases, but at least there isn't the same pressure on them to do it this time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 11, 2012, 03:07:53 PM
Anyone remember how word of a 3DS headset popped up a while back? Well, GoNintendo put up a rumor to add to that.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=175301 (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=175301)

And for memory's sake, here's the original account from Nintendo Life:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/10/officially_licensed_3ds_headset_revealed_priced_and_dated (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/10/officially_licensed_3ds_headset_revealed_priced_and_dated)

I like how the first response is that the that the 3DS Headset has already been confirmed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 11, 2012, 03:13:10 PM
Games make the system.  Do you know what I'll always think of when I reflect on the Wii?  Struggling to play DKC Returns because Nintendo insisted on shoehorning some broken, unresponsive **** control scheme into every game because it was an effective marketing tool for rubes.  That's the Wii: potentially great games ruined by **** controls.  So I don't give a **** about this tablet nonsense.

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think we need to worry quite as much about the tablet controller. The Tablet's gimmick is a touch screen, which could be annoying if games shoe horn that in where it isn't needed, but from having played the DS at least we can be sure the touch screen will be precise and not hit or miss like the wiimote and its waggle controller is.

But the real danger is there is more to the tablet controller than just a touch screen. Apparently it also has gyroscopes and accelerometers, and the E3 presentation last year demonstrated it being used to catch a baseball and things like that. I think this is the area we need to worry about, because this is where things can get really imprecise and wonky.

Another thing we should keep in mind is the Wiimote itself isn't actually dead, because again at E3 2011 they showed that all the Wii accessories we know and "love" will be forward compatible on the Wii U. So once again we may have to deal with that imprecise waggle instead of just doing a button press. But what makes me hopeful is that the Wiimote gimmick is old news now, so it doesn't need to be "proven" like it needed to be on the Wii, so that means developers don't have to shoe horn it into their games. Unfortunately, they still can and probably will in many cases, but at least there isn't the same pressure on them to do it this time.

The people who shoehorn it in will likely have games no one cares about. The competent developers will do what they feel works best for their game and their vision. People forget the PS3 has the six-axis motion capability, and while a couple top games used it to a detrimental effect (leading to Factor 5's destruction), the games that matter don't use it unnecessarily for the most part, or it can be turned off. Fact is this, the Wii U will be packaged with a tablet, which has all the functionality of a typical controller, with other features that can be used or not used. Developers no longer have to fear whether someone has, for example, a classic controller or not.

The tablet controller, and yes the Wii Mote provide OPTIONS which is NEVER a bad thing, especially when the initial obsession to use every feature wears off. Just look at the NIntendo DS when it first came out, developers felt the need to use most if not all the features, but after a year or so things calmed down, some games that could benefit from, let's say, the touch screen were crafted, while others that wouldn't were crafted with more traditional controls.

My guess is that the tablet controller will be beneficial most for a second display screen, and everything else will be based on a game to game decision by the creator and what their vision is. Perhaps one of the biggest blunders, arguably, NIntendo made with Wii was not including the classic controller with every console. I see none of those issues cropping up with Wii U.
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Post by: Stogi on April 11, 2012, 04:12:01 PM
The Wii U needs to be at least technologically on-par with where Sony and Microsoft are likely headed...

And you need to stop using italics. heh

Anyway, remember Miyamoto talking about how HD lends itself to Pikmin. Does anyone get the feeling that Miyamoto is going to blow every single HD game that has come before it out of the water?
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 11, 2012, 05:50:02 PM
Does anyone get the feeling that Miyamoto is going to blow every single HD game that has come before it out of the water?

Of course, all of Nintendo's games for the Wii U will blow away anything on the 360/PS3.  The Zelda and Bird demo from last years E3 already looked better then 99% of all 360/PS3 games and those were done on early Wii U hardware that was weaker then the final hardware.  The games Nintendo shows on the final hardware are going to look amazing.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 11, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
I figure Nintendo will either deliver some HD games that will blow everyone away or ones that wouldn't even stand out on the Wii.  Nintendo can and does make great looking games, when they want to.  However since the Gamecube they also are known to make very unexceptional looking games and then reuse those "bare minimum" models in other games.  You see it with the Miis and many of the Mario spin-offs.  With something like Zelda or Pikmin we're going to get really nice looking games.  Any new Mario Party of Wii Sports is going to look no different than what we have now.  Nintendo demostrated NSMB Wii U and it looked no different from the NSMB Wii.
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Post by: Stogi on April 11, 2012, 06:16:30 PM
Other than in style, how could you improve NSMB? That's the question people refuse to ask themselves.
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Post by: broodwars on April 11, 2012, 06:35:26 PM
Other than in style, how could you improve NSMB? That's the question people refuse to ask themselves.

More unique characters (instead of two generic toads), higher polygon models, and better animation would be a good start.  The problem with your question, though, is that the game's art style is at the heart of what's wrong with the way that game looks IMO.

If you're going to make a 2D game, make it the most gorgeous 2D game anyone's ever seen, with fluid and detailed animation and a great sense of style (such as Rayman Origins or WaveForward's A Boy & His Blob and Bloodrayne Betrayal).  The New Super Mario Bros. games just feel cheap and lazy to me whenever I look at them, lacking both Retro's boldness and the charm of the old 2D Mario games.  If the game had the sheer energy and creativity of DKCR or the sheer gorgeousness of something like a Trine 2 (both of which also use the "3D character on 2D plane" style), I would have probably liked the game a lot better with this concept.  But I really would have preferred a straight-up 2D Mario revival over the hybrid that Nintendo went with.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 11, 2012, 06:53:07 PM
Other than in style, how could you improve NSMB? That's the question people refuse to ask themselves.

More unique characters (instead of two generic toads), higher polygon models, and better animation would be a good start.  The problem with your question, though, is that the game's art style is at the heart of what's wrong with the way that game looks IMO.

If you're going to make a 2D game, make it the most gorgeous 2D game anyone's ever seen, with fluid and detailed animation and a great sense of style (such as Rayman Origins or WaveForward's A Boy & His Blob and Bloodrayne Betrayal).  The New Super Mario Bros. games just feel cheap and lazy to me whenever I look at them, lacking both Retro's boldness and the charm of the old 2D Mario games.  If the game had the sheer energy and creativity of DKCR or the sheer gorgeousness of something like a Trine 2 (both of which also use the "3D character on 2D plane" style), I would have probably liked the game a lot better with this concept.  But I really would have preferred a straight-up 2D Mario revival over the hybrid that Nintendo went with.

Have to agree, while I enjoyed NSMB for Wii, it was pretty uninspired visually in more ways then one, and was hardly pushing the Wii's hardware.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 11, 2012, 07:04:57 PM
True...but NSMB was a fun game, that really played like a classic Mario game.  The game was "cheap" in that it probably wasn't the most difficult game for Nintendo to develop nor did it push the system...but does every game have to do that? 

The game delivers the fun, and that to me is all that matters.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 11, 2012, 07:05:20 PM
The whole Mii system needs a drastic overhaul. I'd like it to be as advanced as the options to create your own wrestlers in the WWE 12 game. You should be able to make Miis which are extremely detailed and realistic like a real person, instead of a goofy cartoon character that looks like something from the N64.
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Post by: Stogi on April 11, 2012, 07:07:14 PM
Other than in style, how could you improve NSMB? That's the question people refuse to ask themselves.

The problem with your question, though, is that the game's art style is at the heart of what's wrong with the way that game looks IMO.

That's not the problem with my question...that is my POINT. Art style rules all.
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Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2012, 07:13:28 PM
The whole Mii system needs a drastic overhaul. I'd like it to be as advanced as the options to create your own wrestlers in the WWE 12 game. You should be able to make Miis which are extremely detailed and realistic like a real person, instead of a goofy cartoon character that looks like something from the N64.
If that's what you're looking for, you've missed the entire point of the Miis. They're supposed to be goofy cartoon characters. That's what makes them charming and inviting.
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Post by: broodwars on April 11, 2012, 07:17:16 PM
I'm fine with the whole "cartoony" nature of the Miis.  I just wish they were actually cartoonish using something like a Tales of Symphonia/Vesperia-ish cel-shaded art style instead of a mass of simple shapes that wouldn't look out of place in the early years of the GameCube.  If the Miis are to change, that's the direction I'd really like to see them go.  I have my 360 Avatar for the whole "more realistic" look.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 11, 2012, 07:19:22 PM
The whole Mii system needs a drastic overhaul. I'd like it to be as advanced as the options to create your own wrestlers in the WWE 12 game. You should be able to make Miis which are extremely detailed and realistic like a real person, instead of a goofy cartoon character that looks like something from the N64.

That would take away from the point of Miis and make them a lot less approachable. While I agree that Miis need more customization options, I like the look of them (or at least I'm used to it) and don't think they need to be particularly realistic. The more realistic they look, the less I feel you can do with them. Imagine Leon Kennedy in Mario Party. He'd look out of place. Or Solid Snake playing tennis. That would be funny but unusual.
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Post by: Stogi on April 11, 2012, 07:21:17 PM
Knowing Chozo he just wants an option to change the "bust" of a Mii.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 11, 2012, 07:43:41 PM
Warioland: Shake It and DKC Returns have similar art styles to NSMB and just absolutely smoke it in every way possible.  NSMB could look WAY better.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 11, 2012, 07:56:05 PM
Why can't the option exist for Miis to be both cartoony and realistic? Why can't it be up to personal preference for a person to decide which one they would rather use? I don't see why it can't be both. Isn't providing people with options always a good thing?

Whether anyone here agrees or not, some people are turned off by cartoony art styles. These are the same people who slam Nintendo as being "kiddie". If Nintendo ever wants to win them back, allowing for realistic Miis would be a small step in the right direction.


Anyway, cartoony or realistic doesn't change the fact that the options for creating Miis are extremely limited. There is only a small set of options for clothing, hair, eyes, noses, etc. This needs to be greatly expanded. There were times I've wanted to make Miis of certain celebrities and I've found the options available to be extremely lacking for what I wanted to do.

Imagine for a moment that the Wii U came bundled with something like Mario Paint which would allow people to take the time to go into as much detail in creating their Miis as they would like. How could that possible be a bad thing? Are you saying Miis should stay locked into the same 20 or so set choices and that's it? It should never be improved or expanded beyond that?
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 12, 2012, 01:16:50 AM
I see this thread is linked on the GAF. Hello, you GAF SOBs, get a haircut and a job!
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Post by: ThePerm on April 12, 2012, 02:11:57 AM
they wouldn't be miis if they were realistic, the point of miis is they are a caricature of people. that being said there can be something other then miis that are more realistic. I remember when i first played with the Aion character editor I made a perfect Angelina Jolie, my friend walked in and was like "woah thats a perfect Angelina Jolie!" It was pretty amazing, wish i saved it.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 12, 2012, 02:19:29 AM
Right... and xBox Live avatars are totally realistic. An Avatar should be a simplistic way of identifying someone. Sure, some more customization options and accessories would be nice, especially adding graphics to bodies and other special wear would be nice. But Miis represent simplicity and easy identification, plus modification that's accessible to all ages.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 12, 2012, 03:22:26 AM
I actually understand people wanting more from there Mii creator...but I don't want more realism...I want more surrealism.  I want more options for creating great cartoon caricatures.  I loved how people were being creative and making movie monsters, actors, actresses and more all in a silly way.  To me...more facial options and perhaps a very, very simple clothing editor would be great.  I don't mean being able to go style crazy...just a couple of simple options like a basic dress, suit, pants, or shorts, cap, cape...ect, ect. 

In the end, keep Miis what they are...and perhaps allow us to do more creative stuff.  My last idea for this is allowing drag and drop features first...then simple edits.  I would love to be able to easily put 2 sets of eyes on people...or more.  Or be able to choose any color for skin and such.  Let me go crazy...but keep that Mii style.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 12, 2012, 02:16:38 PM
Controllers and input methods always go through bumpy patches, just go back to the N64 controller or even the NES's original pad, and neither are a perfect controller (the N64 was limited and clunky at times with some games, and the NES wasn't that comfortable), in fact they are quite flawed compared to what we have now.
I remember that the NES controlller was quite "controversial" in its day. Up until then, most folks had been gaming with joysticks, where you move the character with your right hand and press the button(s) with yor left. The NES controller reversed that (forever, it seems). It really did take some getting used to at the time.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 12, 2012, 03:13:10 PM
I don't have a problem with the way the Miis look but they're very basic design means that any game that uses them if also going to have a basic design.  If they put Miis in Mario Kart then Mario Kart's visual design is restricted to something that the Miis wouldn't look ridiculously out of place in.  That NSMB Wii U demo used the Miis and as a result it's visuals are restricted.

Though I really don't like how Nintendo will use the Miis as a lazy substitute for original characters.  Pilotwings 3DS is the big offender here.  The original Pilotwings games had their own cast of characters and Nintendo ditched that and reused Wuhu Island.  The Miis are unfortunately an excuse for Nintendo to be lazy.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 12, 2012, 03:29:19 PM
It would be funny if Nintendo made an M rated COD clone shooter that used Miis. Imagine blowing a Mii's head off with a shotgun, or putting one into second chance and then it pulls out a pistol and kills you.
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Post by: Adrock on April 12, 2012, 03:32:04 PM
That NSMB Wii U demo used the Miis and as a result it's visuals are restricted.
I know you have an ax to grind but, come on, that's not even remotely true. New Super Mario Bros. Mii's look has nothing to do with the Miis. It looks like a New Super Mario Bros. game without the jagged edges. The only restriction is Nintendo's insistence on adhering to the series' boring art style.
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Post by: Caterkiller on April 12, 2012, 03:35:06 PM
Just because Miis have a simple design means nothing for the graphics of the rest of the game they may be in.Mr Game&Watch fighting Snake looks totally acceptable in Smash. MarioKart7 would like like Mario Kart7 with or with out Miis. When Mario Kart looks like Galaxy and Miis are included you have nothing to back you.

And before you say it Nintendo does not want ultra realistic stitching in Mario's clothes, his design and everyone elses still look phenomenal in the galaxy games. Even if Nintendo decides that's ok for main series Mario or Mario Kart that would hardly stop Miis from getting in, nor would their inclusion dictate the graphical design.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 12, 2012, 07:29:04 PM
I don't have a problem with the way the Miis look but they're very basic design means that any game that uses them if also going to have a basic design.  If they put Miis in Mario Kart then Mario Kart's visual design is restricted to something that the Miis wouldn't look ridiculously out of place in.  That NSMB Wii U demo used the Miis and as a result it's visuals are restricted.

Do I have to repeat this a millions time?  The NSMB Mii demo at E3 2011 was not a real game.  It was nothing more then a tech demo using the NSMB Wii engine to show how the Wii U controller can stream the games from the TV onto the controller and still be playable.

Yes we'll eventually get a NSMB game for the Wii U but the demo shown at E3 last year was not it.  So stop acting like the NSMB Mii demo is what the Wii U NSMB is going to look like because no one knows since Nintendo hasn't shown or announced the real game yet.  It's just like how the Zelda graphics demo artstyle is based off of Twilight Princess models for Link, ArmoGhoma and the Temple of Time but it doesn't mean the eventual Wii U Zelda is going to look exactly like that with the same artstyle either.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 12, 2012, 08:14:07 PM
Yes we'll eventually get a NSMB game for the Wii U

Hopefully it won't feature Miis. The Super Mario and the Wii universe should be kept separate. When you allow these goofy N64 quality Miis to enter into the sacred Mario universe it taints the whole thing. I like Mario to be kept pure and only have the canonical Mario characters allowed into it. When Miis show up it stops being a Mario game and instead just becomes some all inclusive generic thing where anything goes, even if it doesn't belong.

The day Miis are allowed in a Mario game is the day the Mario franchise jumps the shark, imo. Then what's next? Miis in Zelda? Miis in Metroid? Will nothing be sacred? Having Miis in some casual mini game thing is one thing. I don't care about that. In something like Wii Sports or Wii Play there's no story to it, and its just mini games just for fun, so the character you use in that doesn't matter. But in a game where you are playing the role of a hero, you shouldn't be able to make some steve urkel Mii or something goofy like that and rescue the princess. It should just be Mario like it has always been.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 12, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
Because when I think of integrity and pure storytelling, I immediately think of the Mario universe.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 12, 2012, 08:31:29 PM
Because when I think of integrity and pure storytelling, I immediately think of the Mario universe.

The Mario universe is beloved by millions of people. Its kinda like Coca-Cola. When they tried changing the formula of Coke in the 80s everyone rejected it and there was mass protests, and they forced to go back to the original classic formula. They did it to try to make the product more like Pepsi, but the problem was the people who like Pepsi drank Pepsi, and it only pissed off the people who preferred Coca-Cola.

Trying to change Mario to be more like the Wii series is the same thing. There are people who love Mario but hate the Wii series, and vice versa. The people who love Mario the way it is and has always been wouldn't be happy to have their beloved childhood memories being invaded by a bunch of goofballs.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 12, 2012, 09:12:50 PM
I don't think the Mario universe is beloved by millions of people. The Mario games are, but I doubt most people care about the universe all that much. The series has historically had about as little story as was possible, with the universe only there to provide a backdrop for the gameplay. I believe the number of people who would have any real objection to the Mii characters being in a Mario game is statistically insignificant.
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Post by: broodwars on April 12, 2012, 10:03:27 PM
Yeah, let's remember that this is the same franchise that gave us such "gems" as Mario is Missing!, Mario's Time Machine, Hotel Mario (yes, I know...it wasn't made by Nintendo, but it still bears his name and characters) and all the various incarnations of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show.  It's also the series that tends to redefine its universe about every other game.  It's not a franchise I hold up as some lofty Eden that has never been soiled by strange or bad ideas.

That said, I'd rather the Miis stayed in their own games rather than taking a spot in another game that could be used for a character that actually belongs in that setting.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 12, 2012, 10:12:26 PM
Well, honestly...I don't care if Miis are in the game or not.  It doesn't bother me at all.  However, I still understand people who would rather see the Super Mario 2 cast in a 4 player Mario game, having to work together with each characters unique advantages. 


I actually would love to see that. 
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2012, 11:21:11 PM
Do I have to repeat this a millions time?  The NSMB Mii demo at E3 2011 was not a real game.  It was nothing more then a tech demo using the NSMB Wii engine to show how the Wii U controller can stream the games from the TV onto the controller and still be playable.

Well, NSMBMii was the only thing Nintendo showed @ E3 that was listed as "software" and had screen shots released of it. Everything else was labeled demo.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 13, 2012, 12:04:20 AM
Well, NSMBMii was the only thing Nintendo showed @ E3 that was listed as "software" and had screen shots released of it. Everything else was labeled demo.

Doesn't chance the fact that all Nintendo reps said over and over again it wasn't a real game.  When everyone working for the company is telling people what they played isn't a real game, that makes it pretty clear that even if their is a NSMB Mii in development for the Wii U, the demo at E3 2011 isn't what it'll look like.
Title: Universal uMote!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2012, 12:14:59 AM
Are my hopes of a Universal uMote closer to reality than I thought?

Wii U Controller listed as Univeral Remote Tech in Patent (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=%22wii+u%22&OS=%22wii+u%22&RS=%22wii+u%22)
It's not a Nintendo Patent, but they are specifically mentioned in it.
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This invention relates generally to remote control systems and, more particularly, to a system and method for facilitating the set up and configuration of a portable device, e.g., a smart device which may incorporate universal remote control functionality, to command operation of one or more types of remotely controllable appliances of one or more manufacturers. Exemplary smart devices include but are not limited to Apple's "iPhone` and "iPad," Google's "Android" platform, Nintendo's "Wii U" controller, Blackberry's "Torch" or "PlayBook," etc. Exemplary types of appliances include, but are not limited to televisions, digital video disc players (DVDs), cable or satellite set top boxes (STBs), digital video recorders (DVRs), audio video (AV) receivers, thermostats, game consoles, lighting systems, etc.

Now if they put TVGuide on it and channel previews, DVR management and things of that sort, the battle for the living room would be over.  Wii U would have won that war without a doubt.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 13, 2012, 02:10:01 AM
Yeah, let's remember that this is the same franchise that gave us such "gems" as Mario is Missing!, Mario's Time Machine, Hotel Mario (yes, I know...it wasn't made by Nintendo, but it still bears his name and characters)

Those games all feature Mario, but they aren't set in the Mario universe anymore than Mario and Sonic at the Olympics or Super Smash Bros. Moreover, those games were very minor spin offs which few people played or remember.

A crossover game where Miis and Mario exist together probably wouldn't be a bad idea, but one where Miis invade the Mushroom Kingdom would be. If that makes any sense.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 13, 2012, 11:23:43 AM
I disagree. A game where Mii's invade the Mushroom Kingdom would be AWESOME and meta. There's so much potential to be really clever there.

However, I highly doubt it's going to happen.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 13, 2012, 12:41:41 PM
The Miis already invaded Mario Kart so isn't the Mario series already tainted?  I do get that isn't a storyline Mario title so it is a little different.

My objection to them showing up in a storyline game is that it would take me out of the world.  Their presence would say "this is just product".  You know why people get so worked up over discussions about the Zelda timeline?  It's because they care.  Their favourite videogame series mean something to them.  If Nintendo just haphazardly cheapens a series by putting in illogical Mii appearances to try to bring in the casuals it damages the series.  The worst thing Nintendo can do is make product that looks and feels like mere product.  A big reason why I've never liked the Wii Series is because it is sheer product and is blatantly obvious about it.  There is no emotional connection to it.
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Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 13, 2012, 01:09:24 PM
The solution is obvious: put Miis into the next Smash Bros. as playable characters and anybody who doesn't like them can vent their disdain there.  ;D


Heck, it's near guaranteed that Wuhu Island will be in future games; it sneaked into Mario Kart 7 and Pilotwings Resort.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 13, 2012, 01:12:45 PM
I think it's a safe bet that Miis will be in the next Smash Bros. game, and that is fine with me.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 13, 2012, 01:55:09 PM
SSB is actually a very appropriate place for Miis since the whole series is just a big Nintendo IP lovefest anyway.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 13, 2012, 02:24:13 PM
I don't really see what the big deal is with having one's Mii substituted for Mario in a 2D Mario adventure.

I'm curious - is it the Mii artstyle?  Would some of the reactions be the same if there was a character creator within a new New Super Mario Bros. that didn't use the Mii artstyle?
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Post by: Kairon on April 13, 2012, 02:58:01 PM
I think some people just yearn for new characters and brands.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 13, 2012, 04:04:00 PM
I don't really see what the big deal is with having one's Mii substituted for Mario in a 2D Mario adventure.

The problem with Miis being in a Mario game is they would break the fourth wall.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 13, 2012, 04:06:20 PM
If they put Miis in Zelda or Metroid I would agree with that argument, but this is Mario. The story is irrelevant.
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Post by: Louieturkey on April 13, 2012, 04:06:45 PM
I don't really see what the big deal is with having one's Mii substituted for Mario in a 2D Mario adventure.

The problem with Miis being in a Mario game is they would break the fourth wall.
There's a fourth wall in video games?
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Post by: Ceric on April 13, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
I don't really see what the big deal is with having one's Mii substituted for Mario in a 2D Mario adventure.

The problem with Miis being in a Mario game is they would break the fourth wall.
There's a fourth wall in video games?
The Uncanny Valley. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 13, 2012, 04:56:36 PM
If they put Miis in Zelda or Metroid I would agree with that argument, but this is Mario. The story is irrelevant.

The story of the Mario games may be irrelevent, but the atmosphere of those games is not. And that's what would stand to be destroyed if Miis were introduced.

Miis are an invasive species. When you introduce them into an ecosystem which can't handle them they tend to destroy the native species. Its what what happened to Australia after rabbits and then foxes were introduced. These things don't belong in Australia, and many native species have become extinct as a result of their presence. The same would go with Miis in any game they would invade. Mario and the mainline characters would be safe regardless, but the presence of Miis might push out some of the more minor characters like Toad, Birdo, Shyguy etc. These characters might otherwise have been in the game, but if Miis are there it might have tipped the balance and developers might not bother.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 13, 2012, 05:23:38 PM
Do you guys know what you're even arguing about?

Take a step back and listen to yourselves.

Are my hopes of a Universal uMote closer to reality than I thought?

Wii U Controller listed as Univeral Remote Tech in Patent (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=%22wii+u%22&OS=%22wii+u%22&RS=%22wii+u%22)
It's not a Nintendo Patent, but they are specifically mentioned in it.
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This invention relates generally to remote control systems and, more particularly, to a system and method for facilitating the set up and configuration of a portable device, e.g., a smart device which may incorporate universal remote control functionality, to command operation of one or more types of remotely controllable appliances of one or more manufacturers. Exemplary smart devices include but are not limited to Apple's "iPhone` and "iPad," Google's "Android" platform, Nintendo's "Wii U" controller, Blackberry's "Torch" or "PlayBook," etc. Exemplary types of appliances include, but are not limited to televisions, digital video disc players (DVDs), cable or satellite set top boxes (STBs), digital video recorders (DVRs), audio video (AV) receivers, thermostats, game consoles, lighting systems, etc.

Now if they put TVGuide on it and channel previews, DVR management and things of that sort, the battle for the living room would be over.  Wii U would have won that war without a doubt.

Yeahhh buddy!

I hoping for more than just a TV guide feature, but actually being able to tune in to two different channels - so I can watch my Game of Thrones while some else watches Portlandia. Another example is watching a movie on Netflix and checking up on the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 13, 2012, 05:27:59 PM

WAIT WAIT WAIT: Apparently GoNintendo shot this rumor down. False alarm, folks! (I think.)                           

Courtesy of NeoGAF:


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36921818&postcount=1 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36921818&postcount=1)                                     
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on April 13, 2012, 05:31:50 PM
Huh. I still think that would be just as dumb as the original title- even less-recognizable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 13, 2012, 05:34:27 PM
Please, let's keep out the obviously fake stuff.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 13, 2012, 05:36:29 PM
People bitch about the name "Wii U", but "Wii Entertainment System" would be terrible and sounds like a Wii add-on (or a third party accessory kit from Nyko).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 13, 2012, 05:42:04 PM

WAIT WAIT WAIT: Apparently GoNintendo shot this rumor down. False alarm, folks! (I think.)                           

Courtesy of NeoGAF:


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36921818&postcount=1 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36921818&postcount=1)                                     
Summary: a screenshot that seems to indicate something called "The Wii Entertainment System" - speculating a WiiU re-name.
 
The comment thread on GAF is interesting:
Comment #6
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The icon is the WiiWare icon and this is the only 100% English part on a Japanese website.

IT'S FAKE!

Comment #35
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I can guarantee you now 6000% its not a product of Photoshop . . . . It is 100% a screenshot taken running Chrome on my iMac . . .
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 13, 2012, 05:54:41 PM
Though the WES could have Wil Wheaton as a spokesperson.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 13, 2012, 06:18:06 PM
Instead of Wii U how about "NES U"?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 13, 2012, 08:26:27 PM
This begs for me to respond: Super Wii. :cool; ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 13, 2012, 10:22:32 PM
The U in NES U seems more out place than the U in Wii U. At least with Wii U both parts mean absolutely nothing.

Super Wii is just ugly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 13, 2012, 10:23:15 PM
Super Wii is Destiny. I feel it in mah bones.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 13, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
Wii 2 sounds fine if there is a name change, and want to keep the Wii brand.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 13, 2012, 11:45:12 PM
Super Wii U Entertainment System

LOL
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 13, 2012, 11:51:18 PM
For some reason if the name was Wii 2....I would want it to be Wii 2.0  It is strange, but I like it in print.

I actually like NES U.  But I would either have it UrNES or NESu   
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 13, 2012, 11:55:22 PM
How about WiiN which would stand for Wii NES.

WiiN for the Win! That could be the slogan used to market the WiiN console. "For The WiiN"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 14, 2012, 12:54:45 AM
The Super Wii just sounds so much better than what every else is comin up with, bot to offend anyone else though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on April 14, 2012, 12:56:46 AM
Nintendo Stream.

..or..

Nintendo HD.

Nothing else will suffice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 14, 2012, 03:07:15 AM
Weren't there rumors that the system would simply be called the "Nintendo" last year?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 14, 2012, 03:18:32 AM
Weren't there rumors that the system would simply be called the "Nintendo" last year?

Yep. It's on the list if you want to check.


edit: and while you're in there, I just updated the list with 4 rumors.
2 previous ones that got skipped over on accident (2 in 2011 and the other in 2012), and the latest about the Universal uMote.

The previously omitted entries:
April 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667950#msg667950) - Head mounted 3DVR potentially using uMote motion tech being worked on right now bu Nintendo
August 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg727691#msg727691) - Patents reveal uMote may use Flash Mem, H.264, WirelessN, Multi-Touch & have a Cradle/Docking Station
Feb 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720529#msg720529) - Nintendo planning to turn Wii U into a media centerpiece taking a page from Xbox LIVE
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on April 15, 2012, 02:25:41 AM
OMG If true nintendo will own them all! lol
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 15, 2012, 02:23:08 PM
Interesting informed speculation at Beyond3D: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1637040#post1637040
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on April 15, 2012, 03:12:46 PM
Interesting informed speculation at Beyond3D: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1637040#post1637040
Mind explaining this in layman's terms? All I got from it is that it's trying to be as port-friendly as possible, though I don't understand the reasoning for bringing this up...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 15, 2012, 05:13:18 PM
Highlights:

Basically, complaints from third parties are not due to technical limitations but due to lack of understanding of the system architecture. The poster seems to be a student who has spoken to developers who have Wii U dev kits.

"Optimized code for the 360 may run sub-par on the Wii U" But Nintendo builds very efficient systems that need to be taken advantage of.

"The performance will scale up considerably on proprietary engines I've been told. (much like the PS3, though even more capable)"

"As far as the lighting is concerned, I tried to describe having some fixed functionality in parallel to programmable shaders. What this yields is stable, predictable performance. This is especially important when rendering a seperate viewpoint on the DRC (display remote controller) from what is shown on the main screen" - Meaning lighting effects don't have to be a programmed shader in the engine, but are built in to the Graphics.

"There is definitely a DSP" - Digital Signal Processor, probably for dedicated audio.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 05:45:55 PM
Weren't there rumors that the system would simply be called the "Nintendo" last year?

Yep. It's on the list if you want to check.


edit: and while you're in there, I just updated the list with 4 rumors.
2 previous ones that got skipped over on accident (2 in 2011 and the other in 2012), and the latest about the Universal uMote.

The previously omitted entries:
April 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667950#msg667950) - Head mounted 3DVR potentially using uMote motion tech being worked on right now bu Nintendo
August 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg727691#msg727691) - Patents reveal uMote may use Flash Mem, H.264, WirelessN, Multi-Touch & have a Cradle/Docking Station
Feb 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720529#msg720529) - Nintendo planning to turn Wii U into a media centerpiece taking a page from Xbox LIVE


The Wii U controller uses a resistive touch screen and a stylus, similar to the DS / 3DS. This was confirmed by Nintendo at E3 2012, and they even showed pictures of it.


(http://e3.nintendo.com/_ui/img/hw/playstyle/hardware/2b.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on April 15, 2012, 08:48:30 PM
But is it a Multi-Touch screen? Will it be able to play all iPad games?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 08:50:52 PM
But is it a Multi-Touch screen? Will it be able to play all iPad games?


I don't think you can do multi touch with a resistive screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 15, 2012, 08:53:11 PM
But is it a Multi-Touch screen? Will it be able to play all iPad games?

If I recall the one shown did NOT have multi touch. Who knows if that has changed. I don't recall playing any games on iPhone that use the multi touch feature of the pad for anything other then simulated touch controls, which are unnecessary for Wii U since it has actual buttons. Not to say they aren't out there, but every game I've played, that has it, could easily use physical buttons instead.


I guess my point is how necessary is multi touch support? It would be nice to have, but it depends on the expense incurred by adding it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 15, 2012, 08:55:59 PM
Cut the Rope has you use two fingers to cut ropes simultaneously.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 15, 2012, 08:59:59 PM
The Wii U controller uses a resistive touch screen and a stylus, similar to the DS / 3DS. This was confirmed by Nintendo at E3 2012, and they even showed pictures of it.
The patent application in question says they could opt to use a capacitive one; the hardware shown last year wasn't final. There are special styluses designed for capacitive screens.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on April 15, 2012, 09:23:54 PM
Cut the Rope has you use two fingers to cut ropes simultaneously.

A shitty iPhone game requires it? That's a reason? God, I hope Nintendo don't included multi-touch so all the horrible iPhone games don't start getting ported over.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 15, 2012, 09:30:12 PM
The Wii U controller uses a resistive touch screen and a stylus, similar to the DS / 3DS. This was confirmed by Nintendo at E3 2012, and they even showed pictures of it.
The patent application in question says they could opt to use a capacitive one; the hardware shown last year wasn't final. There are special styluses designed for capacitive screens.


Nintendo uses that same line with each new console they reveal at E3. They said the 3DS hardware wasn't final, yet the actual device only had a small color difference (the circle pad was a lighter grey). The Wii U's controller is final. The only thing that might change is the overall size of the Wii U console, it might be a bit shorter or a different color, but the final design will most-likely be the same.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 15, 2012, 09:47:12 PM
Cut the Rope has you use two fingers to cut ropes simultaneously.

A shitty iPhone game requires it? That's a reason? God, I hope Nintendo don't included multi-touch so all the horrible iPhone games don't start getting ported over.

HEY! Cut The Rope is a very good game! >:^(
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
Yeah, Cut the Rope is one of the best games on the platform. It understands what the controls are capable of, and does a really good job of using them.

Multitouch isn't necessary most of the time, but it would be nice, and having more control options is always a good thing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 15, 2012, 10:03:34 PM
There was a picture of two people touching the Umote screen at the same time. I do not have time to post it, but I do not have time to find it and post it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 15, 2012, 10:40:19 PM
I don't think we are going to see great looking third party games until Microsoft and Sony join the next gen. As long as developers are making the 360 the primary platform. There won't be much difference between a 360 and Wii U game. To illustrate this, check out Console vs PC on Youtube. The visual game experience between the two is small.








Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
edit: and while you're in there, I just updated the list with 4 rumors.
2 previous ones that got skipped over on accident (2 in 2011 and the other in 2012), and the latest about the Universal uMote.

The previously omitted entries:
April 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667950#msg667950) - Head mounted 3DVR potentially using uMote motion tech being worked on right now bu Nintendo
August 2011 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg727691#msg727691) - Patents reveal uMote may use Flash Mem, H.264, WirelessN, Multi-Touch & have a Cradle/Docking Station
Feb 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720529#msg720529) - Nintendo planning to turn Wii U into a media centerpiece taking a page from Xbox LIVE

The Wii U controller uses a resistive touch screen and a stylus, similar to the DS / 3DS. This was confirmed by Nintendo at E3 2012, and they even showed pictures of it.

[img]http://e3.nintendo.com/_ui/img/hw/playstyle/hardware/2b.jpg[img]

I don't understand your point. There are multi touch resistive screens too. I'd look it up for you, but I've already done that somewhere in this thread or the Wii U one, and I'm on my phone, so that would be too difficult at this time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 15, 2012, 10:48:59 PM
Nintendo uses that same line with each new console they reveal at E3. They said the 3DS hardware wasn't final, yet the actual device only had a small color difference (the circle pad was a lighter grey). The Wii U's controller is final. The only thing that might change is the overall size of the Wii U console, it might be a bit shorter or a different color, but the final design will most-likely be the same.
You say that with such conviction.

The original DS wasn't final at E3 2004.
(http://i.imgur.com/BjoUy.jpg)


The Wii Remote wasn't final when Nintendo revealed it. Note the missing speaker and the nunchuk's larger plug. It's also shorter than the final Wii remote.
(http://i.imgur.com/oVL9I.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 15, 2012, 11:27:02 PM
Yeah, I have to agree - Cut the Rope is a pretty great game for the platform... but I don't recall ever needing multi-touch.  In fact, there's a version of it for DSiWare that's not multi-touch, though I don't know if any of the puzzles have been changed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 16, 2012, 12:42:23 AM
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m74/nickmitch889/IMG_0840.png)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2012, 01:00:56 AM
Resistive Multi-Touch

http://www.slashgear.com/toshiba-resistive-multi-touch-from-embedded-world-23142186/

http://www.panjittouchscreens.com/Default.aspx?tabid=255

http://www.display-solution.com/pdf/touch_screens/Multi%20Touch%20MAR/dmc_multi_touchscreen_mar_spec.pdf

http://www.omnidisplays.com/component/k2/item/49-resistive-multi-touch-technology.html

and that's just after a quick google search.

I'm sure that if Nintendo wanted to use it, they will. Not sure what the cost of the tech is, but it is available and has been since atleast 2010.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 16, 2012, 01:25:40 AM
Nintendo uses that same line with each new console they reveal at E3. They said the 3DS hardware wasn't final, yet the actual device only had a small color difference (the circle pad was a lighter grey). The Wii U's controller is final. The only thing that might change is the overall size of the Wii U console, it might be a bit shorter or a different color, but the final design will most-likely be the same.
And yet, they've already announced that they're adding NFC at a minimum.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 16, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
But is it a Multi-Touch screen? Will it be able to play all iPad games?


I don't think you can do multi touch with a resistive screen.

Resistive is futile. /borg
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 16, 2012, 02:59:41 AM
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m74/nickmitch889/IMG_0840.png)

Hm.  Either I just don't remember that or the Android version had different levels.

*edit* Guess it's got different levels:
http://www.androidtapp.com/cut-the-rope/

Quote
My only gripe is that it is not multi-touch enabled. For example, some levels require swift actions like using a few whoppee-cushion to push the candy into a bubble, to pop it and drop it; which would be more convenient using two hands, but I can respect how it adds to the complexity of gameplay challenge.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on April 16, 2012, 05:42:00 AM
I don't think we are going to see great looking third party games until Microsoft and Sony join the next gen. As long as developers are making the 360 the primary platform. There won't be much difference between a 360 and Wii U game. To illustrate this, check out Console vs PC on Youtube. The visual game experience between the two is small.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZmfHzqQxzw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZmfHzqQxzw)

Bethesda isn't known for being a technical jaw dropper with its games.
If you want to see the current graphics gap between multiplatform X360 and the PS3 games and the best PC can offer, then the quickest way is to look at comparisons of Battlefield 3 and The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings - Enhanced Edition. It's mostly in the details so your mileage my vary.

http://www.gamespot.com/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings-enhanced-editio/videos/the-witcher-2-enhanced-edition-graphics-comparison-6370098/ (http://www.gamespot.com/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings-enhanced-editio/videos/the-witcher-2-enhanced-edition-graphics-comparison-6370098/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 16, 2012, 09:56:55 AM
THe question I have isn't whether graphics can improve with technology.  Of course they can.  My question is are we getting to a level where graphics don't really have to improve much anymore...and is it worth the cost to developers to have them improve more? 

I would argue that this next coming generation could last a while, because honestly we have almost everything we could want in gaming systems now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2012, 10:19:01 AM
The current generation has lasted a while. Even the Wii has lasted longer than most expected. If the 360 is anything to go by, the next generation could last a good 8-9 years.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 16, 2012, 11:30:29 AM
Cut the Rope has you use two fingers to cut ropes simultaneously.

A shitty iPhone game requires it? That's a reason? God, I hope Nintendo don't included multi-touch so all the horrible iPhone games don't start getting ported over.

HEY! Cut The Rope is a very good game! >:^(

Thanks for the suggestion, I bought it from the app store last night after reading the praise for it. I can see the game designed without multi touch though, but still a wonderful little game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 16, 2012, 01:14:53 PM
You're welcome. :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on April 16, 2012, 03:11:47 PM
Bethesda isn't known for being a technical jaw dropper with its games.
If you want to see the current graphics gap between multiplatform X360 and the PS3 games and the best PC can offer, then the quickest way is to look at comparisons of Battlefield 3 and The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings - Enhanced Edition. It's mostly in the details so your mileage my vary.

http://www.gamespot.com/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings-enhanced-editio/videos/the-witcher-2-enhanced-edition-graphics-comparison-6370098/ (http://www.gamespot.com/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings-enhanced-editio/videos/the-witcher-2-enhanced-edition-graphics-comparison-6370098/)

The difference is CD Projekt's primary development platform is the PC. Practically everyone else focuses on the console's because that's where the money is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 16, 2012, 04:59:39 PM
A rumor with no real source.


http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=175607 (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=175607)


Quote
Here's a juicy rumor for you guys and gals. We're hearing that Square-Enix may have worked some sort of deal with Nintendo to share a character or characters for use in a game project. We don't know what Square-Enix characters these are, but apparently they haven't been used in a very, very long time. Is Square-Enix looking to revamp a forgotten series/character with Nintendo's help?


I certainly don't believe it, but it would be nice to think Geno is getting a shot at Smash Bros. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2012, 05:03:23 PM
I don't believe it either. My guess would be Chrono Trigger.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 16, 2012, 05:10:05 PM
A rumor with no real source.


http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=175607 (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=175607)


Quote
Here's a juicy rumor for you guys and gals. We're hearing that Square-Enix may have worked some sort of deal with Nintendo to share a character or characters for use in a game project. We don't know what Square-Enix characters these are, but apparently they haven't been used in a very, very long time. Is Square-Enix looking to revamp a forgotten series/character with Nintendo's help?


I certainly don't believe it, but it would be nice to think Geno is getting a shot at Smash Bros. 

Would be nice if true, I would love to see a true sequel to SMRPG in my perfect world.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on April 16, 2012, 05:19:20 PM
Geno in M&L 4 would be my guess. Although he doesn't completely fit there, does he?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on April 16, 2012, 07:14:14 PM
It feels like Geno.  But we've been wrong before.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 16, 2012, 08:50:37 PM
"Sharing a character" sounds like a crossover type deal and "not used in a very, very long time" may rule out Chrono Trigger since that was remade for the DS some time ago.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: broodwars on April 17, 2012, 01:02:35 AM
Considering Square-Enix's pathetic history of "sharing" characters before in games like that DS Mario Basketball game, something tells me we're more likely to get such renowned characters as "Black Mage", "Fighter", and "Slime".  I would LOVE for a major favorite character like Geno to appear instead, though.  I've never understood why Square-Enix has always been so hesitant about putting a real named character in these crossover games when they have no problem whoring out such characters in their own crossover games like the Kingdom Hearts series.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on April 17, 2012, 01:10:05 AM
3D Classics: 3-D WorldRunner
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2012, 02:27:04 PM
Considering Square-Enix's pathetic history of "sharing" characters before in games like that DS Mario Basketball game, something tells me we're more likely to get such renowned characters as "Black Mage", "Fighter", and "Slime".  I would LOVE for a major favorite character like Geno to appear instead, though.  I've never understood why Square-Enix has always been so hesitant about putting a real named character in these crossover games when they have no problem whoring out such characters in their own crossover games like the Kingdom Hearts series.
You've answered your own question.  People need to give Square the Big Cuts to get the Good Stuff.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 17, 2012, 07:47:13 PM
Well Geno was a heavily requested character by the Japanese and American fans for Brawl so it wouldn't be that much of a surprise if he was to appear in the next Smash Bros.  For Brawl, the majority of the new characters were Melee's most requested characters that didn't get in so Geno does have a chance this time.

Considering Sakurai started development after Kid Icarus was finished in February, I'd imagine the character roster has been finalized by now so if the rumor is true that Nintendo has recently worked out a license deal for a very old Square Enix character that would make Geno inclusion the most likely.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2012, 02:11:45 AM
Youtube TV App coming to Wii U?
http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1223191p1.html
Quote
YouTube is developing a "TV experience" for next-generation consoles. In a job listing on Google Jobs, the company advertises that it's hiring a Game Console Software Engineer to develop "versions of YouTube to work with next generation game consoles."

The listing notes that the engineer will "build the next generation game-console-based TV experience with YouTube video content" and "integrate and optimize with distribution channels and devices including all major game platforms." It also specifically notes that candidates will need "deep technical knowledge of Microsoft Xbox 360, Sony PlayStation 3 and/or Nintendo Wii." YouTube already exists as an app for Xbox 360, so this position could be to expand the service onto the PS3 and Wii-U markets.

We've reached out to YouTube for comment, as well as Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft declined to comment.

makes sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2012, 02:41:56 AM
nevermind... this post never happened.


expect something to be edited in here later.

EDIT: something  -UB
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 19, 2012, 02:45:28 AM
Aww man. well good thing i clicked the link. now lets see here...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on April 19, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
These last two posts seem so deliciously shady lol ;).  Now I need to know what was posted lol.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on April 19, 2012, 10:22:11 AM
I MUST KNOW.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on April 19, 2012, 11:10:21 AM
That's not right!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on April 19, 2012, 12:10:42 PM
nevermind... this post never happened.


expect something to be edited in here later.
You, sir, are evil.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on April 19, 2012, 12:14:01 PM
nevermind... this post never happened.


expect something to be edited in here later.

EDIT: something  -UB
Still evil.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on April 19, 2012, 01:48:11 PM
Thanks for the suggestion, I bought it from the app store last night after reading the praise for it. I can see the game designed without multi touch though, but still a wonderful little game.

Cut the Rope is on DSiWare...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 20, 2012, 12:20:34 AM
Youtube TV App coming to Wii U?
http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1223191p1.html
Quote
YouTube is developing a "TV experience" for next-generation consoles. In a job listing on Google Jobs, the company advertises that it's hiring a Game Console Software Engineer to develop "versions of YouTube to work with next generation game consoles."

The listing notes that the engineer will "build the next generation game-console-based TV experience with YouTube video content" and "integrate and optimize with distribution channels and devices including all major game platforms." It also specifically notes that candidates will need "deep technical knowledge of Microsoft Xbox 360, Sony PlayStation 3 and/or Nintendo Wii." YouTube already exists as an app for Xbox 360, so this position could be to expand the service onto the PS3 and Wii-U markets.

We've reached out to YouTube for comment, as well as Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft declined to comment.

makes sense.

Didn't we basically see that during the E3 presentation?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on April 21, 2012, 03:51:34 AM
Youtube TV App coming to Wii U?
http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1223191p1.html


makes sense.

Didn't we basically see that during the E3 presentation?

Yes. There was even a parrot!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 22, 2012, 12:00:25 AM
Youtube TV App coming to Wii U?
http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1223191p1.html


makes sense.

Didn't we basically see that during the E3 presentation?

Yes. There was even an adorable parrot!

Fixed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 25, 2012, 02:06:37 AM
Youtube TV App coming to Wii U?
http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1223191p1.html (http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1223191p1.html)


makes sense.

Didn't we basically see that during the E3 presentation?

Yes. There was even an adorable parrot singing the Super Mario Bros. theme!

Fixed.


Double fixed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 26, 2012, 12:23:30 AM
Quite possibly the biggest Wii U rumor ever (and the most outlandish)!

From
http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=176226 (http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=176226)


Quote
- Nintendo + Epic = Metroid on UE3

- Big online multimedia content push for Wii U

- Wii U operating system to be mobile based (Android powered?)

One of those 3 is quite likely. I doubt it has anything to do with Nintendo and Epic teaming up to make a Metroid game. Nor do I think Nintendo would use Android for the Wii U operating system. So that leaves only one choice left.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 26, 2012, 12:25:30 AM
I could see Nintendo maybe licensing Unreal Engine 3 (or Unreal Engine 4 if it's out by then) for use in a Metroid game, but not Epic Games actually making the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 26, 2012, 12:40:47 AM
Metroid with Unreal Engine 3 will look bland. :(
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 26, 2012, 12:52:59 AM
Metroid with Unreal Engine 3 will look bland. :(


Ha! Says you. Imagine Metroid Prime with graphics like Gears of War. *drools*
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 26, 2012, 01:00:27 AM
Wouldn't Android need to be ported to IBM's Power architecture first? I just quickly Googled this but Android officially supports ARM and more recently MIPS and x86. That rumor just sounds like click-bait. Nintendo would only need a fraction of what Android provides that it might actually be easier for them to make their own Linux based OS rather than stripping Android down to the essentials.

Nintendo working with Epic to make Metroid would be huge. Asking one of the most well known and popular Western games companies with arguably the most pervasive games engines to retool Metroid would do wonders for the series' reach and popularity. I don't really see that happening but it would explain a lot, namely Mark Rein's unbridled glee when speaking about Wii U. Again, sounds like click-bait.

The online multimedia thing seems like a given. Nintendo is forgoing disc-based movie playback again but they've embraced Netflix and Hulu. I suppose if you read between the line, employing Android would give Nintendo direct ties to Google Play and even more online media. I suppose Nintendo couldn't ask for a better partner. Well, probably Apple but that's not happening unless they practically hand the keys to the kingdom to Tim Cook and Steve Jobs' ghost.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 26, 2012, 01:05:25 AM
Metroid with Unreal Engine 3 will look bland. :(


Ha! Says you. Imagine Metroid Prime with graphics like Gears of War. *drools*


Bland as in it looks like the 60 or so other games that use that engine. No thanks. And I don't find an engine good if it can't successfully animate human faces. You know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 26, 2012, 01:09:46 AM
Doesn't that have more to do with the artists to who created the characters rather than the engine they used?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 26, 2012, 01:11:39 AM
Doesn't that have more to do with the artists to who created the characters rather than the engine they used?

Yes it does, and I'd imagine Nintendo would demand a certain level of creativity.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2012, 01:14:41 AM
Metroid with Unreal Engine 3 will look bland. :(
Metroid with Unreal Engine 3 will look bland. :(


Ha! Says you. Imagine Metroid Prime with graphics like Gears of War. *drools*

OMG Screenshots!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/6Lmwy.jpg)
http://wiiugo.com/a-metroid-screenshot/ (http://wiiugo.com/a-metroid-screenshot/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 26, 2012, 01:22:01 AM
Metroid with Unreal Engine 3 will look bland. :(
Metroid with Unreal Engine 3 will look bland. :(


Ha! Says you. Imagine Metroid Prime with graphics like Gears of War. *drools*

OMG Screenshots!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/6Lmwy.jpg)
http://wiiugo.com/a-metroid-screenshot/ (http://wiiugo.com/a-metroid-screenshot/)


Too bad those are fake. Come on Nintendo, catch up with the rest of the industry and make a beautiful HD game that will dazzle all of us with it's sheer beauty.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on April 26, 2012, 01:22:36 AM
Hahaha! If I didn't recognize that from a long time ago, i'd spread that everywhere in typical late and unreliable Caterkiller fashion.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2012, 01:39:42 AM
if you hover your mouse over the pic I tell you it's not a real Metroid game, but some mod for Unreal Tournament or something like that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 26, 2012, 01:47:24 AM
if you hover your mouse over the pic I tell you it's not a real Metroid game, but some mod for Unreal Tournament or something like that.


I bet the Metroid game for Wii U will look that good. Hell, the Zelda demo for Wii U looked better than Uncharted 3 at times.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 26, 2012, 01:50:15 AM
No way it looked better.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on April 26, 2012, 01:51:33 AM
No way it looked better.


The lighting and smoothness of the animation were leagues better than what Uncharted 3 pulled off.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 26, 2012, 02:21:13 AM
No way it looked better.


The lighting and smoothness of the animation were leagues better than what Uncharted 3 pulled off.


Nope. Sorry.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on April 26, 2012, 05:34:33 AM
if you hover your mouse over the pic I tell you it's not a real Metroid game, but some mod for Unreal Tournament or something like that.

Good times in Unreal Tournament 3 using the Samus model. http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/608548-UT3-model-Samus-Aran-v1-0-Final-Pics

Shame about the rest of UT3 not being received well and being in UT2K4's shadow.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 26, 2012, 10:31:38 AM
Even though the rumor is probably false I do expect Nintendo to have a western studio make a new Metroid game this gen.  Like I said a few days ago, Metroid Prime western First Person style gameplay is much more popular then the Japanese 2D/3rd person style gameplay so Nintendo will make the next Metroid more western style again.  Since Retro is probably working on something new now, Nintendo is going to find a different western studio to make the next Metroid.

Of course whether it'll be Epic or not remains to be seen.  Personally I'd think Valve would be a better choice since their previous work like Half-Life and Portal would give me more faith in them doing a great Metroid then any other western studio that isn't Retro.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 26, 2012, 10:33:41 AM
Even though the rumor is probably false I do expect Nintendo to have a western studio make a new Metroid game this gen.  Like I said a few days ago, Metroid Prime western First Person style gameplay is much more popular then the Japanese 2D/3rd person style gameplay so Nintendo will make the next Metroid more western style again.  Since Retro is probably working on something new now, Nintendo is going to find a different western studio to make the next Metroid.

Of course whether it'll be Epic or not remains to be seen.  Personally I'd think Valve would be a better choice since their previous work like Half-Life and Portal would give me more faith in them doing a great Metroid then any other western studio that isn't Retro.
Ironically Half-Life and Portal to an extent are the exact reason I wouldn't want Valve doing Metroid.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 26, 2012, 10:38:12 AM
I expect a Western developer to handle the next Metroid as well. I think Valve or Epic would do fine because neither would be making the game beyond Nintendo's influence though their size probably allows them more freedom than most other companies. If nothing else, Nintendo probably wouldn't have to do as much handholding like they originally did with Retro Studios (as well Rare and Silicon Knights for that matter).
Title: uMote has been remodeled?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2012, 06:33:39 AM
Ideaman says that the controller shown in the leaked Rayman Legends trailer is not the final "updated" uMote.

He did not specify what changes were made though.
Quote from: IdeaMan
I'm in a good mood, so i'll drop a mini-bomb, k ?

This is NOT the final & definitive controller. The one used in this trailer isn't the "updated" model.

so besides what could be an outward facing camera shown in the  Rayman Trailer
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37608.msg730117#msg730117 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37608.msg730117#msg730117)
(http://i.imgur.com/geEnV.jpg)
what else do you think could have changed?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 27, 2012, 07:11:44 AM
Come in, digital click!

Start and sect could stand o be moved closer the face buttons.
Title: Re: uMote has been remodeled?
Post by: lolmonade on April 27, 2012, 07:30:18 AM
Ideaman says that the controller shown in the leaked Rayman Legends trailer is not the final "updated" uMote.

He did not specify what changes were made though.
Quote from: IdeaMan
I'm in a good mood, so i'll drop a mini-bomb, k ?

This is NOT the final & definitive controller. The one used in this trailer isn't the "updated" model.

so besides what could be an outward facing camera shown in the  Rayman Trailer
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37608.msg730117#msg730117 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37608.msg730117#msg730117)
(http://i.imgur.com/geEnV.jpg)
what else do you think could have changed?

Jokes on you.  That's not a camera, it's a really small touch pad on the back of the U-Mote (a la Vita).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 27, 2012, 08:27:41 AM
I would bet that circled thing is just the NFC reader.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 27, 2012, 08:34:06 AM
I would bet that circled thing is just the NFC reader.
It probably isn't since the NFC stuff doesn't need to have an edge area.  If I was placing it I put it smack in the middle.  I keep it away from the speaker and mic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on April 27, 2012, 08:52:51 AM
The way NFC works is by touching compatible devices/objects together or bringing them close to one another hence "near field." The Rayman Legends trailer shows people placing various action figures on the tablet controllers screen and having that character show up in the game.

****, I should have taken that bet...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 27, 2012, 10:59:28 AM
Maybe its for the motion controls of the uMote. Take your Wii mote and look at the end of it, doesn't the part of the Wii mote you aim at the sensor bar look just like that? And since in the picture this is at the top of the uMote I reckon that's what it is.

I'm going to change my bet (no one had accepted it, so I can do that :P ) to now say that this is what it is. Its simply for the motion control aspect of the uMote. It detects the infrared of the sensor bar and that's how it knows where its aiming.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 27, 2012, 01:48:53 PM
...Something just occurred to me. Given the apparent ability to scan figures and put them into the game, what if Nintendo uses that for the Wii U Smash Bros.? Makes sense, given the characters in that series are figurines come to life.


They could sell additional characters as figurines  for 5-10 bucks a pop. You scan them once, they're added to the game, and buyers get a nice little collectible. It's genius!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 27, 2012, 02:29:24 PM
...Something just occurred to me. Given the apparent ability to scan figures and put them into the game, what if Nintendo uses that for the Wii U Smash Bros.? Makes sense, given the characters in that series are figurines come to life.


They could sell additional characters as figurines  for 5-10 bucks a pop. You scan them once, they're added to the game, and buyers get a nice little collectible. It's genius!
Considering Kid Icarus has AR cards I be surprised if that was not the case.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on April 27, 2012, 03:33:03 PM
...Something just occurred to me. Given the apparent ability to scan figures and put them into the game, what if Nintendo uses that for the Wii U Smash Bros.? Makes sense, given the characters in that series are figurines come to life.


They could sell additional characters as figurines  for 5-10 bucks a pop. You scan them once, they're added to the game, and buyers get a nice little collectible. It's genius!
Yes- frighteningly so. Factor in having a starting roster that comes with the game and slowly releasing new characters in congruence with DLC and it could be the most ambitious and clever use of NFC for a console game yet- Skylanders be damned. The only thing that worries me about this idea is that Sakurai is the kind of guy who finishes a game and moves on- I don't see him wanting to go back to the next Smash Bro.s once he's completed what he believes to be a full product. HOWEVER- Kid Icarus pretty much utilizes EVERYTHING the 3DS has to offer, from AR cards to online, and I think that the next Smash Bros. will definitely do that as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on April 27, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
The DLC can easily be handed off to another team at Sora.  I'm sure Sakurai would be okay with that since he actually finished the game.  This is just extras.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on April 27, 2012, 03:58:22 PM
Well, I don't know. Assembling half the team from Kid Icarus and going out and finding the other half of the developers for this game might mean they can put in a lot of time and effort.

Speaking of Kid Icarus and DLC, weren't we supposed to hear something about that game recently, or was that just another figment of my imagination...?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 27, 2012, 06:28:22 PM
Adding characters to Smash Bros is too big of a deal for Sakurai not to want to be involved with. The balancing, the moveset, maintaining the character's unique personality is something he probably takes a lot of pride in. I'm sure he'd want to be on top of it if characters were developed for the Wii U game post release.
Title: uMote Gets Good Range?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2012, 12:40:42 AM
Was Nintendo being modest about the range of the uMote from the Wii U console?
there were the same way with the Wavebird back in the day, wouldn't surprise me if they were the same way here.

uMote Gets Good Range?
Quote from: wsippel
The latest pad (product id DK-DEV-V5) is wireless. Also looks like Nintendo uses Ni-Fi for the controller now (2.4 or 5GHz), so range shouldn't be limited to a single room - possibly not even just a single floor.

Now I don't know the specific source of the info, but I know wsippel is getting it from a reliable source. Likely official documentation from some place or another.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 28, 2012, 01:30:11 AM
Would it be possible for someone next door house, or in the next aparatment, to be able to pick up the stream from my Wii U and be able play it on their own uMote? They most likely will be encrypted to work on their own system, or some kind of syncing process.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 28, 2012, 01:31:46 AM
Most likely a syncing process. The same way that you can't use a Wii remote or other controller on your neighbor's Wii.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 28, 2012, 01:47:32 AM
Just let me connect it to a WiFi connection and be able to then connect to my WiiU at home. :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 28, 2012, 01:52:12 AM
Just let me connect it to a WiFi connection and be able to then connect to my WiiU at home. :D

What if you are suddenly out of range?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on April 28, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Just let me connect it to a WiFi connection and be able to then connect to my WiiU at home. :D

What if you are suddenly out of range?

Game Over.
Title: Wii U to "Street Pass"?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2012, 08:30:08 PM
Wii U to "Street Pass" like 3DS by using a "Gamer Card"!?
it's a small Tomogotchi like device that houses your Mii and collects other Mii's that you pass on the street...
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-wii-u-to-feature-revolutionary-nfc-gamer-card (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-wii-u-to-feature-revolutionary-nfc-gamer-card)
Quote
Nintendo had added a very important concept to the gaming industry with Nintendo 3DS's Street Pass feature. Knowing that the guy sitting in the next car of the train you're in, or the kids playing in the park are also gamers on the console of your choice will expand the amount of allies and foes amongst your personal gaming scene. The NFC feature of Nintendo 3DS (Street Pass) will return on Wii U integrated with the Nintendo network according to our source industry source Geno.

Earlier today, the NFC functionality of Wii U was previewed in a leaked Rayman Legends trailer that showed Ubisoft character action figures being migrated into the game by simply sitting them on the Wii U tablet display. We've gotten word that the tablet won't be the only NFC device featured with Wii U. According to Geno, a small device that's comparable to Pokemon's pedometer (seen with Heart Gold and Soul Silver) will accompany Wii U to "Street Pass" gamers everywhere. This small device can be carried inside a pocket or can be clipped upon one's waist. The device currently has no name but 3rd Parties have nicknamed it the "Gamer Card". It's a small low res color LCD device that shows an image of your Mii and a few stats about you. The device will gather the Nintendo Network profiles of the people you come in range with allow you to play games and communicate with them via Wii U. The slogan for the device is "When you walk back from work or school and log into Wii U you will have met new friends and even more enemies."

That will be great as long as they don't limit it like 3DS where I've street passed the same person about 7 or 8 times now and am no closer to figuring out who it is or where I passed them at since I haven't been able to communicate with them (am I missing something?)

If you can pass someone and then automatically communicate with them when you get back to your Wii U without having to exchange anything other than a message back and forth (like bump for the cell phones where you exchange contact info by bumping phones). Then this is really good news.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 28, 2012, 11:41:39 PM
I would like something the size of a credit card so I can just put it in my wallet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: stevey on April 29, 2012, 12:06:37 AM
Why not just use a synced 3DS? Do we really need more devices to worry about charging or losing on us?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 29, 2012, 12:25:54 AM
Whoever's going to E3 needs to write down all of these awesome suggestions and mention them to Nintendo guys. Or just slip it in their pockets when they're not looking.


It's not bad; we're just giving them a nudge in the right direction.  ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2012, 12:26:41 AM
I would like something the size of a credit card so I can just put it in my wallet.

something like this?

(http://i.imgur.com/qqQKn.jpg)
Quote
The ThinQ pedometer from Sportline is about the size of a credit card (3mm thick) and easily fits into your pocket or even your wallet giving you discrete tracking of your steps, distance traveled and calories burned. It also houses a sports timer and comes in colors of blue, orange or green, retailing for about $35.

only with a gba quality (low rez color) screen


Why not just use a synced 3DS? Do we really need more devices to worry about charging or losing on us?


Even better, why not have an app on our phones? then I can sync it with my 3DS and my Wii U later without having the added bulk in my pocket for the majority of the day.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on April 29, 2012, 01:20:02 AM
I think this is something that would be cheaper than a 3DS or Cell Phone so each of your kids can carry one around with them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on April 29, 2012, 02:01:44 AM
I am very interested in this. :)

I think that syncing a Wii U account to a 3DS is definitely going to be possible, and these items will work in tandem with one another, really. They are already pushing connectivity with the Wii U and 3DS, so I don't see why these devices wouldn't be able to interact. Plus, transferring the friend data I already have on my 3DS would be very nice and time-saving.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on April 29, 2012, 02:35:53 AM
Will you be able to upload the Spotpasses that you have already gotten onto the Wii U?
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2012, 09:11:43 AM
I would like something the size of a credit card so I can just put it in my wallet.

something like this?

(http://i.imgur.com/qqQKn.jpg)
But with this or similar on the screen instead of a Counter.
(http://www.toysnjoys.com/tamagotchi/musicstar_risingstar.jpg)

Sticking with black and white because of power concerns.  Though if they make an e-ink display that thin I think they take even less power.

Then I hope they allow for 3DS to be used as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2012, 10:46:54 AM
you do realize that the rumor said a low res color screen right?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2012, 01:37:32 PM
you do realize that the rumor said a low res color screen right?
I still rather it just be B&W.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 29, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m395y7ZJ1t1qzp9weo1_500.jpg)


Just in case some people want ideas of sizes of games that could be downloaded through the eShop. You'd definitely need a bigger SD card for Revelations.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 29, 2012, 04:54:16 PM
What's that image from?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on April 29, 2012, 04:56:24 PM
Here you go:  http://wii.ign.com/articles/122/1223941p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/122/1223941p1.html)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on April 29, 2012, 08:19:37 PM
Pretty interesting stuff. I'd like them to dig out and see how big the data for Xenoblade is.
Title: Wii U @ $350?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2012, 12:44:16 AM
Walmart is running ads for Wii U @ $350
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/04/walmart-sets-wii-u-price-at-350/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/04/walmart-sets-wii-u-price-at-350/)

do you think they know something we don't?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on May 01, 2012, 12:56:25 AM
Doubt it. Since last July I could have pre ordered the WiiU at EBgames for $600 AUD.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on May 01, 2012, 01:01:33 AM
It's most likely a placeholder price imo
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Post by: Ymeegod on May 01, 2012, 01:13:07 AM
Considering Nintendo not announcing a price point at E3, they probably don't have a set price yet and is going use the show to test publics interest.  If it recieves high praise expect to see an higher price point but my guess it's going be sub-$300 still with the likely hood of $250 or less since both the PS3 and Xboxs are stated to be taking a price cut as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 01, 2012, 01:41:03 AM
I think it's a placeholder price too. Probably just a slip up that the ads started appearing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 01, 2012, 02:08:20 AM
Considering Nintendo not announcing a price point at E3, they probably don't have a set price yet and is going use the show to test publics interest.  If it recieves high praise expect to see an higher price point but my guess it's going be sub-$300 still with the likely hood of $250 or less since both the PS3 and Xboxs are stated to be taking a price cut as well.

It won't be less than $300.

Think about it, the Wii U is a huge step in technology for Nintendo. Forget about comparing it to the PS3 and Xbox 360. The Wii U is Nintendo's first real HD system. They will price it higher than the current Wii, because they feel that's an appropriate price for them.

And pretty much every major game system has been around $200-$300 at launch.

PS1: $300
N64: $200
Saturn: $400
Dreamcast: $200
PS2: $300
Xbox: $300
GameCube: $200
Xbox 360: $300 and $400
PS3: $500 and $600
Wii: $250

There is a trend with console pricing. When a new console is about to be released, the older console is discounted so the new one can have a similar launch price.

Case in point: The PS1 was $300, the PS2 was $300, the Xbox was $300, the Xbox 360 was $300 / $400. The PS3 was an exception to this rule, simply because Sony packed in so much advanced tech at that time (Blu-Ray, Cell processor) that they couldn't afford to price it low.

Going by Nintendo's own pricing standards, the Wii U will be about $300, simply because it's comparable to the PS3 and Xbox 360 in power, and the technology is also newer.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 01, 2012, 12:15:00 PM
If they use E3 to gauge interest and set the price based on that, they will be repeating their mistake with the 3DS.  At E3 2010, the 3DS got huge praise and Nintendo decided to set the price at $250 because of that.  That failed and they admitted it.  They said they learned from the 3DS launch, but if they do the same thing here, they will be repeating their mistakes.

I wouldn't be surprised with a $350 price, but wouldn't be surprised with a $300 or even $400 price as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 01, 2012, 12:15:29 PM
Another reason is inflation. The U.S. dollar has lost a lot of value over the last 5 years or so due to the economy being down the crapper and whatnot... so stuff has to go up in price simply because the money itself isn't worth as much. A console which just barely broke even at $249.99 would be selling at a loss in terms of today's money.


If they use E3 to gauge interest and set the price based on that, they will be repeating their mistake with the 3DS.  At E3 2010, the 3DS got huge praise and Nintendo decided to set the price at $250 because of that.  That failed and they admitted it.  They said they learned from the 3DS launch, but if they do the same thing here, they will be repeating their mistakes.

Its debatable why the 3DS had such sluggish sales in its first months. Price is certainly a factor, but you can't deny the software lineup wasn't that impressive. Eventually the 3DS turned around, but one could argue that was as much due to the release of Super Mario Land 3D and other hit titles as to the price drop itself.

When Nintendo said they "learned from the 3DS mistake" I thought they meant in regards to the games available at launch.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 01, 2012, 12:20:27 PM
Another reason is inflation. The U.S. dollar has lost a lot of value over the last 5 years or so due to the economy being down the crapper and whatnot... so stuff has to go up in price simply because the money itself isn't worth as much. A console which just barely broke even at $249.99 would be selling at a loss in terms of today's money.
This makes huge sense.  I wouldn't be surprised if the lowest priced PS4 and Nexbox SKU start at $400 when they release.  Sony really can't afford to sell their new console at a huge loss this time around.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 01, 2012, 01:54:56 PM
If they use E3 to gauge interest and set the price based on that, they will be repeating their mistake with the 3DS.  At E3 2010, the 3DS got huge praise and Nintendo decided to set the price at $250 because of that.  That failed and they admitted it.  They said they learned from the 3DS launch, but if they do the same thing here, they will be repeating their mistakes.

Its debatable why the 3DS had such sluggish sales in its first months. Price is certainly a factor, but you can't deny the software lineup wasn't that impressive. Eventually the 3DS turned around, but one could argue that was as much due to the release of Super Mario Land 3D and other hit titles as to the price drop itself.

When Nintendo said they "learned from the 3DS mistake" I thought they meant in regards to the games available at launch.

There were a LOT of reasons why the 3DS failed at launch. Price is just the easiest to point to because Nintendo slashed it in response. In addition to what Chozo said, the eShop wasn't up and running until some time after the system launched either. Hell, I'm pretty sure we didn't even have the web browser, did we? The mistake was that the system wasn't ready to be launched when it did. Nintendo learning from that means there will be more titles at the launch, an eShop ready to go, and no features that we'll have to wait for a software update to get.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on May 01, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
I WANT the WiiU to cost more than $300. That means they've put some muscle in the box. I want to see the WiiU have some longevity. I look at purchasing a console as an investment. If I put big money in, I want long term returns. If the console runs out of steam after 2 years because the developers have moved on to bigger and better, what kind of investment is that? Yes, I want to buy a Nintendo console for more than Nintendo games. Mario and Zelda and Donkey Kong is fine, but I have no interest in Mario Party or Kirby or other games that feel dumbed down to appease a family base that wasn't there in the 80s.

Anyway, my point is, I will pay $350 - $400 for the WiiU if the tech is there. I will probably skip this machine until later in the lifespan if it launches sub $300 and it fails to deliver tech that keeps up with at least 5 years of the future.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 01, 2012, 02:51:21 PM
I WANT the WiiU to cost more than $300. That means they've put some muscle in the box.

Hopefully that's what it would mean. But you need to keep in mind a lot of the cost that's going to go into the Wii U will be in the innovative things like the tablet controller and things like that which are innovative features and good to have, but don't have anything to do with muscle. Then on the other hand, Nintendo will probably be selling the system with some sort of profit margin. I know after the 3DS price cut they are now selling that at a slight loss, but before the price cut they were making a tidy profit off each unit sold. One would think they learned their lesson with that and won't try to charge more than is necessary, but who knows?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2012, 06:15:34 PM
This talk about the price reveals a big problem with the gimmick approach to designing a videogame system.  The tablet controller is going to cost money.  Some concession has to be made to accomodate it.  Either the hardware has to sacrifice power or the price has to go up or Nintendo has to just eat it (and we know they won't do that).

So if we have to pay more money or deal with inferior hardware and the almost certainly negative effect that will have on third party support, the tablet better be fuckin' worth it.  The Wii was a rip-off.  Everything was riding on motion control and what did Nintendo give us?  Glorified tech demos like Wii Sports and games with button presses mapped to imprecise "shakes".  Not worth it.

The stuff that comes with a videogame system is what absolutely SHOULD be standard.  You don't include fringe crap.  It's a good thing the SNES didn't sacrifice Mode 7 for a pack-in Super Scope.  The Super Scope was, thankfully, an optional accessory because it's functionality was too specialized to be standard.

So unless they're giving us this tablet for free, it damn well better prove itself to be a new standard in videogame controls.  And I don't mean Nintendo shoehorns it into every game and forces us to use it, I mean it's clear that it has to be there like L&R buttons on the SNES controller and the analog stick on the N64.  This means Nintendo has to have some clear purpose for it and game ideas that require it, as opposed to just putting it on their as a marketing gimmick and hoping to come up with some ideas.

Of course this isn't a new idea.  It's very similar to the GC/GBA connectivity idea and the dual touchscreen of the DS.  We already know what to expect and it isn't anything to justify including a tablet as a standard.  Unless Nintendo just happened to have suddenly come up with all these great ideas that for whatever reason they never thought of in all these years they could have done it on the DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 01, 2012, 06:27:14 PM
It's a good thing the SNES didn't sacrifice Mode 7 for a pack-in Super Scope.

The funny thing about the SNES is it had far better graphical and audio capabilities than the Genesis, but the Genesis utterly smoked it in terms of CPU speed. That was one (probably the only) respect where the SNES was actually inferior. A game like Sonic which is obviously involves a very fast moving character is something the SNES couldn't pull off very well. I remember a lot of the early SNES games which had a lot of stuff going on had some severe slowdown because the processor had a hard time keeping up with it. On the Genesis that was never an issue.

But as I said, the SNES delivered far better graphics and audio, so it was the superior console for more slow paced games like RPGs and Mario platformers and such, but when it came to fast paced shoot em ups, sports games, and of course Sonic, the Genesis had the better CPU to make it happen. In comparison to SNES games, Genesis games looked duller and more dreary. They played blazingly fast and with no slowdown, but they didn't look or sound anywhere near as good.

The question is did Nintendo make sacrifices with the CPU just so they could pack in Mode 7 and 16bit audio and a more vibrant color pallete? I honestly don't know, but I'm kinda glad they did because I prefer the genres of games that the SNES can pull off more beautifully versus the ones better suited for the Genesis. At least we can be sure Nintendo didn't make sacrifices for the sake of a controller gimmick, but on the SNES maybe they did sacrifice power for looks?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
It's a good thing the SNES didn't sacrifice Mode 7 for a pack-in Super Scope.

The funny thing about the SNES is it had far better graphical and audio capabilities than the Genesis, but the Genesis utterly smoked it in terms of CPU speed. That was one (probably the only) respect where the SNES was actually inferior. A game like Sonic which is obviously involves a very fast moving character is something the SNES couldn't pull off very well. I remember a lot of the early SNES games which had a lot of stuff going on had some severe slowdown because the processor had a hard time keeping up with it. On the Genesis that was never an issue.

But as I said, the SNES delivered far better graphics and audio, so it was the superior console for more slow paced games like RPGs and Mario platformers and such, but when it came to fast paced shoot em ups, sports games, and of course Sonic, the Genesis had the better CPU to make it happen. In comparison to SNES games, Genesis games looked duller and more dreary. They played blazingly fast and with no slowdown, but they didn't look or sound anywhere near as good.

The question is did Nintendo make sacrifices with the CPU just so they could pack in Mode 7 and 16bit audio and a more vibrant color pallete? I honestly don't know, but I'm kinda glad they did because I prefer the genres of games that the SNES can pull off more beautifully versus the ones better suited for the Genesis. At least we can be sure Nintendo didn't make sacrifices for the sake of a controller gimmick, but on the SNES maybe they did sacrifice power for looks?

You can't just release the best hardware around because the price would be too high so there is always some sort of trade off that has to occur.  With the SNES, Nintendo made the right call.  Slowdown wasn't the best but devs learned to work around it and Mode 7 and the superior graphics and sound were undoubtably worth it.  It didn't damage third party support and the system's library has some of the absolute best games ever made.  SNES owners didn't suffer to any major extent from the slower CPU.  The N64 on the other hand is an example of a bad trade off.  Nintendo picked the fast load times of cartridges over larger and cheaper CDs.  This pretty much destroyed their third party support and N64 games cost more to the consumer.  N64 owners clearly suffered as a result of the decision.  Nintendo suffered too, since their poor decision greatly helped a major competitor get their foot in the door and lead the market for the next ten years.

Is the tablet worth whatever trade off has to be made to accomodate it?  The answer better be "yes" and it better be Wii U owners who benefit from it, not just Nintendo.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 01, 2012, 09:14:54 PM
The question is did Nintendo make sacrifices with the CPU just so they could pack in Mode 7 and 16bit audio and a more vibrant color pallete?
Well, it was more complicated than that. Even though the SNES base CPU was relatively slow, they added co-processor chips right in the cartridges that needed them. Apparently, the SNES was supposed to ship with a DSP co-processor, but it was either not ready or too expensive to include at launch. So, when they actually needed this functionality, they stuck one in every cartridge (for example, heavy Mode 7 games such as Super Mario Kart and PilotWings). Chips like the Super FX and SA1 (Super Mario RPG) chips were more complex processors running much faster than the SNES CPU. Somehow, Nintendo (and other companies like Capcom) managed to put these in games cost-effectively (which says something about how much they must have ultimately been making on hardware). This was actually a continuation of a practice that served them well in the NES days -- adding memory mapper chips and the like greatly extended the ability of the system (otherwise, Super Mario Bros. would have been the end of the system rather than the beginning). Sega instead opted for add-ons like the 32X. They did try to go the embedded chip route once with Virtua Racing, but it ended up being too expensive.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2012, 10:18:17 PM
Did they do the same with the N64? I don't remember much from that era.
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Post by: MegaByte on May 01, 2012, 11:10:56 PM
Nope, they had the memory expansion, but tech probably got too expensive.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2012, 11:13:01 PM
Did the memory improve graphical capabilities?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 01, 2012, 11:50:51 PM

Why are people assuming that the Wii U might be "underpowered" if it costs $300? Since when do we judge a system's power based on it's price?


$200 - $300 was the standard launch price of consoles for many years.  The PS1, PS2, and Xbox were all launched at $300, and they were vastly different in terms of power. The PS2 was more powerful than the PS1, yet it launched at the same $300 price. The Xbox was more powerful than the PS2, yet it also launched at $300.


As the cost of components goes down, then the cost of the console goes down. We see this all the time. Manufacturers drop the prices of their older consoles so they can launch the next one at a comparable price. It's how the industry has always done things.


The only reason the PS3 cost $500 is because the cost of components was so expensive at the time (Blu-Ray, Cell processor, etc.). Nintendo doesn't have to go the route Sony did. They can still make a powerful console without going all-out.


We can't have these preconceived notions of how powerful the Wii U will be just because it might cost $300.


If anything, the Xbox 360 and Wii are way overpriced for how old they are. The Wii was technically outdated and overpriced the day it came out. Xbox 360 is showing it's age as well, the components must be dirt cheap by now (by PC standards). PS3, on the other hand, can possibly last a few more years, simply because of how advanced that Cell processor is.


There is no reason for the Xbox 360 to still cost $300. It should be under $200 by now. And the Wii should be about $99.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
Because, generally, it's true. Lower price generally is a sign of lower power.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 02, 2012, 12:01:55 AM
Because, generally, it's true. Lower price generally is a sign of lower power.


Lower power compared to what? For Nintendo, the Wii U is a huge step up compared to the Wii. They shouldn't have to compare themselves to what the competition is pricing their consoles. The Wii U is their first true HD system, with technology that is more advanced than an Xbox 360. The components are newer and faster, so it has to be more advanced than the current consoles.


$300-$350 is perfect, it shows that the Wii U is a big leap ahead of Nintendo's older system.


When Sony priced the PS2 at $300, the same launch price as the PS1, did people say to themselves "damn that system must be underpowered"? No. Sony knew that $300 was a price that their customers were comfortable with paying. Microsoft also launched the original Xbox at $300, the same price as the PS2 and PS1. But in their situation, they had to take a loss the console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 02, 2012, 12:03:33 AM
Sony must have really brainwashed people this gen. People are really expecting $400+ to be the new standard of console prices? Even though for the past 30 years, console prices have generally stayed around the $200 / $300 mark?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2012, 12:05:31 AM
Lower compared to whatever Sony and Microsoft has up their sleeve in the next two years. It may look good next to the Wii, but the 360/PS3? No difference so far. And please, no need to insult us with accusations of brainwashing.


I think I found my first smite. xD
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 02, 2012, 12:11:53 AM
Lower compared to whatever Sony and Microsoft has up their sleeve in the next two years. It may look good next to the Wii, but the 360/PS3? No difference so far. And please, no need to insult us with accusations of brainwashing.


I think I found my first smite. xD


I wasn't insulting you or anyone. I was simply pointing out a fact that expecting a $400+ price is a bit excessive. People complained when the PS3 launched at $500, and now they think it's the norm from here on out?


Launching a system at that high of a price hasn't worked before, and it more than likely won't work in the future.


Remember: 3DO ($600), Saturn ($400), PS3 ($500)


The PS3 almost flopped until Sony drastically cut the price down to $400 in just 2 years. They had to wait for the cost of components to come down, because they were already taking heavy losses as it was.


Also, the gaming industry will never be able to expand to new audiences if we keep launching consoles at these high prices. People turned away from the 3DO, Saturn, and PS3 for a reason. It's financial suicide to continue down that path.


Even Nintendo learned a hard lesson with the 3DS launch. Nintendo priced the original Wii at $250 because they knew that it would be an acceptable price for many people. It's safe to assume that they won't make the same mistake with the Wii U. Iwata even discussed this in the company's recent investors meeting.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2012, 12:14:13 AM
PS3 launched at $600. Hence the "599 US DOLLARS" meme. And I wasn't aware they announced the price for the Wii U.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 02, 2012, 12:15:13 AM
PS3 launched at $600. Hence the "599 US DOLLARS" meme. And I wasn't aware they announced the proce for the Wii U.

Technically they had a $500 model too. It was inferior, but it existed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 02, 2012, 12:15:39 AM
PS3 launched at $600. Hence the "599 US DOLLARS" meme. And I wasn't aware they announced the proce for the Wii U.


Fixed my typo. I meant "the original Wii".


So do people really expect the standard launch price of consoles to be $400 - $600 from now on? If so, then the gaming industry won't last much longer with those prices. People can't afford to spend that much on what are essentially "toys".


$300 is the most I will spend on a game system. Why do you think people waited years for the PS3 to drop to under $300 before buying one?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2012, 12:16:00 AM
PS3 launched at $600. Hence the "599 US DOLLARS" meme. And I wasn't aware they announced the proce for the Wii U.

Technically they had a $500 model too. It was inferior, but it existed.


Really? In what was it inferior?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 02, 2012, 12:19:05 AM
PS3 launched at $600. Hence the "599 US DOLLARS" meme. And I wasn't aware they announced the proce for the Wii U.

Technically they had a $500 model too. It was inferior, but it existed.


Really? In what was it inferior?


Smaller hard drive, less USB ports, no Wi-Fi, no chrome detailing on the disc tray.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 02, 2012, 12:55:06 AM
$200 - $300 was the standard launch price of consoles for many years.

Did you miss what I said earlier about inflation?

50 years ago a Coke cost a nickel. Things change. Just because video game consoles used to be a certain price level doesn't mean its always going to stay that way forever.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 02, 2012, 01:08:05 AM
$200 - $300 was the standard launch price of consoles for many years.


Did you miss what I said earlier about inflation?

50 years ago a Coke cost a nickel. Things change. Just because video game consoles used to be a certain price level doesn't mean its always going to stay that way forever.

Inflation doesn't affect everything. Game consoles have generally launched at around $200-$300, with the manufacturers taking losses on the hardware.

The reason for this is because console makers usually take a loss on the hardware, so they can sell the system at an affordable price to consumers. They then make up those losses on game and accessory sales.

3DO and PS3 were the only mass-market game systems to launch at $500-$600, and they came out 10 years apart. Sony took a loss on the PS3, but they still had to price it at $600 because the technology was so new (and expensive) at the time. 3DO was different, they wanted to profit on every console sold, so they priced it accordingly.

The next-gen consoles can easily be affordable if the console makers don't go balls out with cramming new tech. Nintendo did that with the Wii, and they were able to launch it at under $300.

Also, inflation hasn't affected the PC market that much. PC prices have generally gotten cheaper over the years, because chips have become more efficient and smaller, so it costs less to build them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 02, 2012, 02:41:37 AM
Nintendo doesn't take losses on hardware. The current situation with the 3DS is a first. If the Wii U os priced $250, it would mean that the system would cost Nintendo what the Wii cost (not very much). If the Wii U is priced $350 then we could assume that it's worth closer to what the Xbox 360 cost MS at its launch (ie, more than the Wii). The cost of the system is already driven up for the controller. All anyone is really saying is that it should be driven up EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT because the hardware is just so kick-ass.

Now, the PS3 cost Sony a whole bunch. They had to cut the price so soon because the BluRay wasn't worth that much to consumers at the time, it just drove the cost of the system (and thus its price) up through the roof. We know Nintendo's markup is on the high side, so if we see a low price, we can assume that either Nintendo is taking a hit, or the components don't cost that much and the system is underpowered.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2012, 03:10:40 AM
Actually I have to say it is not the price of the hardware that is killing the industry.  It is the cost of the software period.

If you break down the cost from a depreciation standpoint and look at the value you are getting.  6 years of possible entertainment is a great deal for only $400.00  That is less than $100.00 a year.  That is a reasonable price.  Going higher than that...it gets less reasonable. 

This is why price drops of hardware are important, because the value of the system goes down each year because it is closer to the next new system.  If the next generation of hardware can last longer than 6 years it is even a better deal. 

However, paying $60.00 a pop for a game is where it gets pretty unreasonable for gaming.  I am not someone that expects my games to be $2.99 or $5.99 like in the ios market...I think those games can do well if they are a great game, but they survive only by volume sales.  However, that $60.00 is a killer.  Remember that premium pricing hurt the N64, and it helped elevate that PS1 to popularity because they had lower price games. 

I think that the market would do better with most games being priced at $49.99 as the highest cost game, and closer to $39.99 for regular games...final games like Wii Sports Resort being priced at $29.99 or less would be even better.  Basically, the industry is launching about 2 games a month per system it seems like...with some months getting even larger number of games.  At $60.00 I can at most buy 1 maybe 2 games a month...but realistically I will only get 1.  Some people can only get one game every few months...so this price is really hurting the industry.

What if games cost less?  I could potentially buy 2-3 games a month then...and probably would. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 02, 2012, 03:17:51 AM
All anyone is really saying is that it should be driven up EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT because the hardware is just so kick-ass.


Sony did just that with the PS3 and look what happened. They had a disastrous 2 years. The PS3 didn't take off until they finally dropped the price to under $400 a few years later. Do you want Nintendo to be in Sony's shoes next gen?


We don't even know what MS or Sony are planning for their next systems, so all this speculation is pointless. Nintendo will price the Wii U based on how they design the system (cost of components, power, features). Iwata already said that he wants to balance cost vs power (cost of the system, power of the hardware), so I highly doubt they will price themselves out of the market like Sony did.


Long story short:  Nintendo knows that a high price will turn away consumers, like what almost happened with the 3DS.
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Post by: Ymeegod on May 02, 2012, 05:33:20 AM
A vast majority of Nintendo's market is parents so pricing the console high isn't going help.  $300 might sound reasonable to a core-gamer but as Core-gamers we only make about 10% of the market.

$250 is about as high as most parents would go IMO.  Once you figure in extend warranty and taxes it's still going be around $300. 

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Post by: Stogi on May 02, 2012, 05:59:58 AM
Parents are willing to buy a good bargain as well. So $300 with a pack-in game is do able.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2012, 08:08:27 AM
Yes, I think $300-$350 is the highest you can go with the Wii U.  The reason being is the perception that the controller is expensive. 

People are now getting into the tablet thing, and understand how much a tablet PC costs.  Now, I know that the Wii U is not a tablet PC...but it will function like one for the general public in a way...and that will give perceived value.  Same with Nintendo sticking to the Wiimote Plus as the central controller for the system. 

But, a pack in game would not hurt at all.  Honestly, what parents would see as a bonus is seeing Nintendo across the board drop the price of their games by $10.00.  This would help all people see the system as the go to system for affordable gaming.  Buy 5 new games in the lifetime of the system and you have made up the $50.00 difference of 250-300...and 10 games...add into that the possibility of not having to buy new controllers....and you have yourself a good bargain overall.
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Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2012, 08:59:18 AM
Perceived value is only beneficial if consumers understand what they're getting. Nintendo needs to make sure people realize that they aren't getting a bargain tablet because the controller isn't one. It's a controller that can do tablet-esque things around your house. If people (albeit not very smart ones) buy Wii U thinking they're getting the equivalent of an iPad and a game console for a little more than half the price of an iPad, they're going to be very angry. It's not Nintendo's fault but they could certainly do without the headache.

I agree that a pack-in game would be nice but I really don't see Nintendo dropping the price of their games by $10. In fact, prices of 1st party titles are likely going up for parity. 3rd parties will not be dropping the price of their games. They're going to continue selling brand new titles at $60. Nintendo would be wise not to strain 3rd party relations by undercutting them on pricing especially after trying so hard to accommodate their needs and listen to their concerns. Nintendo could have probably sold Wii games at $40 and still turned a decent profit because their games are low risk, high reward. They can probably continue selling games at $50 but doing so negatively affects them in too many ways. 3rd parties have expressed concern over competing against Nintendo's own titles. They certainly would not be happy doing so with Nintendo at a lower price.
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Post by: Ceric on May 02, 2012, 09:48:39 AM
You know the ironic thing about this whole discussion.  The $500 dollar PS3 which is pretty much equivalent to today's PS3 was consider at Launch a Cheap Blu-Ray Player.  Considering it has/had a lot more capability then most/all Blu-Ray players at the time.  Its can stream video, Play Games, Store and play Music, output 3D, etc.  Being one of the people who decided to buy a $600 PS3 for Hardware Backward compatibility I can easily say that my RoI for the system is better than almost anything I own.  It definitely wasn't because of the games.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 02, 2012, 10:02:16 AM
All anyone is really saying is that it should be driven up EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT because the hardware is just so kick-ass.


Sony did just that with the PS3 and look what happened. They had a disastrous 2 years. The PS3 didn't take off until they finally dropped the price to under $400 a few years later. Do you want Nintendo to be in Sony's shoes next gen?

Like I said, the value of the PS3's components outweighed their cost. Nintendo has never really had that problem (except maybe with the 3DS). I want Nintendo to show the value added.

Quote
We don't even know what MS or Sony are planning for their next systems, so all this speculation is pointless. Nintendo will price the Wii U based on how they design the system (cost of components, power, features). Iwata already said that he wants to balance cost vs power (cost of the system, power of the hardware), so I highly doubt they will price themselves out of the market like Sony did.

Long story short:  Nintendo knows that a high price will turn away consumers, like what almost happened with the 3DS.

We've already talked about the various things that hurt the 3DS at launch. It wasn't just the price tag. With balancing cost, we just don't want to see too many concessions made because of the controller. A lower price tag (sub 299.99) suggests those concessions were made.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 02, 2012, 10:45:51 AM
Inflation doesn't affect everything.

Nah. Just the stuff that costs money.

You know the ironic thing about this whole discussion.  The $500 dollar PS3 which is pretty much equivalent to today's PS3 was consider at Launch a Cheap Blu-Ray Player.  Considering it has/had a lot more capability then most/all Blu-Ray players at the time.  Its can stream video, Play Games, Store and play Music, output 3D, etc.  Being one of the people who decided to buy a $600 PS3 for Hardware Backward compatibility I can easily say that my RoI for the system is better than almost anything I own.  It definitely wasn't because of the games.

The only problem with that is the Phat PS3 model has a really bad failure rate. Maybe its not quite as bad as the 360 was in its first years, but it was still pretty bad. So $600 is a lot of money for something that breaks down a few months or a couple years after purchasing it. In order for the RoI to pay off the investment has to actually continue operating, and with the Phat model that was an issue for a good number of people.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 02, 2012, 12:11:53 PM
Inflation doesn't affect everything.

Nah. Just the stuff that costs money.

You know the ironic thing about this whole discussion.  The $500 dollar PS3 which is pretty much equivalent to today's PS3 was consider at Launch a Cheap Blu-Ray Player.  Considering it has/had a lot more capability then most/all Blu-Ray players at the time.  Its can stream video, Play Games, Store and play Music, output 3D, etc.  Being one of the people who decided to buy a $600 PS3 for Hardware Backward compatibility I can easily say that my RoI for the system is better than almost anything I own.  It definitely wasn't because of the games.

The only problem with that is the Phat PS3 model has a really bad failure rate. Maybe its not quite as bad as the 360 was in its first years, but it was still pretty bad. So $600 is a lot of money for something that breaks down a few months or a couple years after purchasing it. In order for the RoI to pay off the investment has to actually continue operating, and with the Phat model that was an issue for a good number of people.
You know I use mine at least 6 hours a day average and I haven't had any notable problems at all out of it.  Been going strong for over 4 and a half years now.

I couldn't find the thread where I bought my PS3 but I did find this from the Revolution days.

Launch Prices

$199 Atari 2600
$299  Intellivision
$150  Intellivision II
$249.99 Jaguar
$299.99 TurboDuo
$200 Master System
$200 Genesis
$200  Super Nintendo
$399 Sega Saturn
$299 Playstation (That was a surprise to me.  It thought it looked terrible and would never make it)
$199 N64


I just feel that it's gotten to the point that since there not using off the shelf parts that a $50 price markup would be justified.  Especially if they included a game like everyone wants. (I had a point with those but lost.  Though I thought that was interesting so I'm leaving it up.)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 02, 2012, 12:40:40 PM
My Phat PS3 died after 3 years because I stupidly put an HD Dish DVR receiver below it which generated a lot of heat (more than the PS3) and the combined heat of the PS3 and the DVR caused it to overheat.  Luckily, an error in my favor got me a free 120GB Slim PS3 so it all worked out and I also got my Phat fixed and didn't lose anything on the HDD either. 

I have a feeling most people who had problems with their Phat had a similar situation to me or their system was in a place where there was little ventilation so it was recycling the hot air back into the system.

There were problems but no where near what the original 360 had.  The fail rate of the phat ps3 was I think around 6% before the slim was released.  The fail rate of the 360 was at a 60% rate (and yes, I have no sources, I'm going by memory from 3 years ago). ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 02, 2012, 01:08:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 02, 2012, 01:41:12 PM
I fix game consoles for a living, and I think it's safe to say that the "phat" model PS3 failure rate most likely is just as bad as the 2005-08 XBox 360.

That 6%/60% comparison is not even close. I would put them both at around 85% - but the susceptibility to failure is 100% in  both cases.

The failure of the PS3 and XBox 360 is not due to having too many components around, or poor ventilation (though that certainly does not help) - it was bad design, period. I have only seen one PS3 Slim with the Yellow Light of Death (which is a generic code anyway, though 95% of the time it's a cold solder joint under the GPU just like on the 360 with the RRoD), and have *never* seen a Jasper (late 2008-2009) XBox 360 with the RRoD.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 02, 2012, 05:07:31 PM
I fix game consoles for a living, and I think it's safe to say that the "phat" model PS3 failure rate most likely is just as bad as the 2005-08 XBox 360.

That 6%/60% comparison is not even close. I would put them both at around 85% - but the susceptibility to failure is 100% in  both cases.

The failure of the PS3 and XBox 360 is not due to having too many components around, or poor ventilation (though that certainly does not help) - it was bad design, period. I have only seen one PS3 Slim with the Yellow Light of Death (which is a generic code anyway, though 95% of the time it's a cold solder joint under the GPU just like on the 360 with the RRoD), and have *never* seen a Jasper (late 2008-2009) XBox 360 with the RRoD.
I can't find any numbers online that put the PS3 and 360 in the RROD era at the same percentage of failure.  The numbers I've been able to find puts the PS3 at half the failure rate of the 360, which in my opinion is still high.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 02, 2012, 07:10:21 PM
I fix game consoles for a living, and I think it's safe to say that the "phat" model PS3 failure rate most likely is just as bad as the 2005-08 XBox 360.

That 6%/60% comparison is not even close. I would put them both at around 85% - but the susceptibility to failure is 100% in  both cases.

The failure of the PS3 and XBox 360 is not due to having too many components around, or poor ventilation (though that certainly does not help) - it was bad design, period. I have only seen one PS3 Slim with the Yellow Light of Death (which is a generic code anyway, though 95% of the time it's a cold solder joint under the GPU just like on the 360 with the RRoD), and have *never* seen a Jasper (late 2008-2009) XBox 360 with the RRoD.
FYI, most people sent their 360s back to M$ because they were replaced for free and wouldn't lose what was on the HDD.  With the PS3, sending the system to Sony meant losing everything on your HDD no matter what.  It's the main reason I went with a 3rd party repair company to fix my system.  They guaranteed the HDD would be left as is and all my stuff would stay.  It was there when I got it back.
There is no way the PS3 had the same failure rate as the 360 or else there would have been huge outcry about it similar to what happened with the PSN hacking and then Sony would have had to do something about it.  There was no public outcry. So they never got dinged like M$ did.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2012, 07:14:03 PM
Adrock:  I agree I don't think the price of games is dropping.  My point is people are saying Nintendo can't offer the system at 300+ because it would kill the market.  But I think that isn't true.  I think $350 is not only likely but I think people will buy it at that price in droves. 

But, the people saying that the hardware is too expensive for consumers, and hardware prices are killing the industry I personally think are wrong.  I think the software is the most expensive part of this hobby...it is not likely to ever change, but the fact is gaming is pretty expensive hobby.  And to people like me...it isn't the entry level it is the sustained constant expense of games that keeps me from being all in.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 02, 2012, 09:33:47 PM
There is a huge public outcry over the PS3, there just aren't nearly as many old-style PS3s as their are old-style XBox 360s. SONY does not give a single **** about their customers (and Microsoft voluntarily did the 3 year warranty - not that they are any better than SONY) - SONY even charges a $50 diagnostic fee just for you to send them your console, and if you don't pay it within 15 days THEY KEEP YOUR CONSOLE.

You'll never find official failure rates, because no one releases information like that, but on a percentage-wise basis, the failures rates are certainly extremely close - again, there aren't nearly as many "Phat" PS3s as there pre-Jasper XBox 360s.

Also, if you ever did send a console to SONY, they specifically tell you to remove the hard drive, just like Microsoft does, so you shouldn't lose anything (unless SONY sends you a different console, in which case, depending on which model PS3 you have, you might lose everything anyway).
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Post by: SixthAngel on May 02, 2012, 11:43:55 PM
I don't know failure rates either but I'm pretty sure that even if they are failing now that PS3's lasted far longer than the 360s.    With the 360 it wasn't just shitty hardware but hardware so shitty that it failed so quickly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2012, 12:06:57 AM
According to chatter, there may be more to the Android on Wii U rumor than we may have thought.

Not exactly Android, but very possible that Google is working with Nintendo on OS functionality and it's quite possibly very full featured.

Quote from: Supposed Google Employee
I wouldn't worry about the functionality of Wii U's OS or front-end. It'll be more full-featured then most people imagine.
[...]
...I wasn't guessing.
Not going to say anything else, but people should take heart.


I could point all the way back to those Google/Nintendo OS rumors from way back when, but I don't feel like looking them up right now.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2012, 12:16:37 AM
Meh. I really don't like Android.
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Post by: Sarail on May 03, 2012, 12:27:25 AM
Android doesn't have anything to do with it...

But Google+ is all over the freaking place. That'd definitely put Nintendo back in everyone's everyday social atmosphere.

I'm game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2012, 12:37:04 AM
so I looked it up after all.
I've got something for us all to speculate on. It's something some of us have mentioned that Nintendo needs in the next system to bring them up to date feature-wise with the competition.

A background operating system that allows uniformity of function between different features and software. Such as Wii speak being independent from the game you are playing so that you can have a conversation with a friend while surfing the net, paying a game (same or different) or while browsing the WiiShop, background downloading (self explanatory), user accounts, etc. etc.

First we'll start with the Nintendo ES Operating System (NES OS?)that they were working on since way back before the release of the Wii
Inside Nintendo's ES Open-Source Operating System (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=16503)
Quote
[...]an open-source operating system from Nintendo, titled ES[...]was made public on August 30, 2006.
[...]
ES "runs natively on x86 (and qemu of course), kernel is written in C++, uses an ECMAScript interpreter for all of the userland, uses Cairo for graphics, and even has a port of [programming language] Squeak."

The OS is a 'research system,' meaning that there is no specific application for it at present, and is being used for experimentation. However, a story commenter on Gamedev.net theorizes: that it could be the framework for something like Microsoft's XNA, and is certainly expandable to platforms other than PC with a little work.

The commenter, 'ravyne2001' postulates: "Officially, it's simply a "research operating system." Something Nintendo is toying with and which may or may not lead to an eventual release in much the same way that Nintendo has always been in constant hardware development..."

"The working theory" he continues, "seems to be that this OS might be the early stages of something similar to Microsoft's XNA -- basically a sandbox environment which offers hardware acceleration and a userland based on some form of VM execution, ECMAscript in this instance. Although the current build is against X86, it could be ported over to PPC to run on the Wii, for instance."

For now, the operating system is laid bare to the public, which OSNews commentors seem to think is designed with broad adoption and simplicity in mind.

We know the next Wii needs a central OS to avoid the incompatible short sighted mess that is the current IOS we use now (older games can't use SDHC cards because it wasn't programmed for them, can't use WiiSpeak in multiplayer games because they weren't programmed for it, can't use whatever control scheme I want since it wasn't programmed for it, etc. etc.).

But the lead programmer for this ES Operating system left Nintendo for Google Japan....
http://jp.linkedin.com/pub/shiki-okasaka/7/876/5b3 (http://jp.linkedin.com/pub/shiki-okasaka/7/876/5b3)
Quote
Shiki Okasaka’s Experience

    *
      Software Engineer
      Google Japan Inc.

      (Public Company; 10,001 or more employees; GOOG; Internet industry)

      January 2008 — Present (2 years 4 months)
   
    *
      Group Manager
      Nintendo Co., Ltd.

      (Entertainment industry)

      August 1998 — December 2007 (9 years 5 months)

      Designed and developed the operating system for GameCube

But he is still working on the ES Operating system which just so happens to be under copyright by Nintendo & Google.
http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/ (http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/)
Quote
We are creating a new pure component operating system named ES. This  project was started by Shiki Okasaka and Kyu Ueno at Nintendo largely  affected by Rob Pike's "Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf)" talk in  2000. Since 2008, this project has been hosted in Google Code under the  copyright of both Google and Nintendo in hope we can reach more people  worldwide.

But what does all this mean? Is this something that Nintendo is hoping to make standard and use in the next home console?

Google just recently came out with their own browser and have an Operating System that soon to follow, could this code research have some overlap?

Is it possible that for the next generation Nintendo & Google team up to provide the software tools & enironment needed to build games and online infrastructure for future Nintendo systems?

Quote from: *2007
"We propose an extensible component operating system architecture in  which an operating system kernel uses reflection to process C++ pure  virtual function based system calls and upcalls to provide a unified  programming environment for application, server, and kernel development.  We found that we could even develop file subsystems and a TCP/IP  protocol stack on an existing operating system based on this  architecture."

What does everyone think of a NintenGoogle team-up?

They do have common rivals in Apple & MS
and if the OS is any good, you can count on Sony licensing it* just to stick it to MS... and make things harder for Apple.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 03, 2012, 01:00:32 AM
Interesting.  Does it really benefit Nintendo to be bed partners with Google?  Does it hurt them any?  I guess Nintendo could do worse than to integrate some of the Google stuff that people are already using.  Think about A Gmail, Google Calenders, and other google stuff families may already use being functional on the Wii U out of the box.  This is appealing to the casual market immediately, because it is what many already use. 
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Post by: MegaByte on May 03, 2012, 01:10:01 AM
The main guy on that project later left Google to start his own company and continue development on the OS. Here's his blog: http://shiki.esrille.com/ (http://shiki.esrille.com/) FWIW, he also designed the GameCube OS.
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Post by: Ymeegod on May 03, 2012, 03:40:07 AM
"Microsoft voluntarily did the 3 year warranty "  LOL, not sure where you read that but the government forced the issue.  Class-action lawsuits is what changed MS "heart".

 
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 03, 2012, 04:58:45 AM
There is a huge public outcry over the PS3, there just aren't nearly as many old-style PS3s as their are old-style XBox 360s. SONY does not give a single **** about their customers (and Microsoft voluntarily did the 3 year warranty - not that they are any better than SONY) - SONY even charges a $50 diagnostic fee just for you to send them your console, and if you don't pay it within 15 days THEY KEEP YOUR CONSOLE.


Proof? I highly doubt Sony is that stingy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 03, 2012, 05:01:57 AM
so I looked it up after all.
I've got something for us all to speculate on. It's something some of us have mentioned that Nintendo needs in the next system to bring them up to date feature-wise with the competition.

A background operating system that allows uniformity of function between different features and software. Such as Wii speak being independent from the game you are playing so that you can have a conversation with a friend while surfing the net, paying a game (same or different) or while browsing the WiiShop, background downloading (self explanatory), user accounts, etc. etc.

First we'll start with the Nintendo ES Operating System (NES OS?)that they were working on since way back before the release of the Wii
Inside Nintendo's ES Open-Source Operating System (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=16503)
Quote
[...]an open-source operating system from Nintendo, titled ES[...]was made public on August 30, 2006.
[...]
ES "runs natively on x86 (and qemu of course), kernel is written in C++, uses an ECMAScript interpreter for all of the userland, uses Cairo for graphics, and even has a port of [programming language] Squeak."

The OS is a 'research system,' meaning that there is no specific application for it at present, and is being used for experimentation. However, a story commenter on Gamedev.net theorizes: that it could be the framework for something like Microsoft's XNA, and is certainly expandable to platforms other than PC with a little work.

The commenter, 'ravyne2001' postulates: "Officially, it's simply a "research operating system." Something Nintendo is toying with and which may or may not lead to an eventual release in much the same way that Nintendo has always been in constant hardware development..."

"The working theory" he continues, "seems to be that this OS might be the early stages of something similar to Microsoft's XNA -- basically a sandbox environment which offers hardware acceleration and a userland based on some form of VM execution, ECMAscript in this instance. Although the current build is against X86, it could be ported over to PPC to run on the Wii, for instance."

For now, the operating system is laid bare to the public, which OSNews commentors seem to think is designed with broad adoption and simplicity in mind.

We know the next Wii needs a central OS to avoid the incompatible short sighted mess that is the current IOS we use now (older games can't use SDHC cards because it wasn't programmed for them, can't use WiiSpeak in multiplayer games because they weren't programmed for it, can't use whatever control scheme I want since it wasn't programmed for it, etc. etc.).

But the lead programmer for this ES Operating system left Nintendo for Google Japan....
http://jp.linkedin.com/pub/shiki-okasaka/7/876/5b3 (http://jp.linkedin.com/pub/shiki-okasaka/7/876/5b3)
Quote
Shiki Okasaka’s Experience

    *
      Software Engineer
      Google Japan Inc.

      (Public Company; 10,001 or more employees; GOOG; Internet industry)

      January 2008 — Present (2 years 4 months)
   
    *
      Group Manager
      Nintendo Co., Ltd.

      (Entertainment industry)

      August 1998 — December 2007 (9 years 5 months)

      Designed and developed the operating system for GameCube

But he is still working on the ES Operating system which just so happens to be under copyright by Nintendo & Google.
http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/ (http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/)
Quote
We are creating a new pure component operating system named ES. This  project was started by Shiki Okasaka and Kyu Ueno at Nintendo largely  affected by Rob Pike's "Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf)" talk in  2000. Since 2008, this project has been hosted in Google Code under the  copyright of both Google and Nintendo in hope we can reach more people  worldwide.

But what does all this mean? Is this something that Nintendo is hoping to make standard and use in the next home console?

Google just recently came out with their own browser and have an Operating System that soon to follow, could this code research have some overlap?

Is it possible that for the next generation Nintendo & Google team up to provide the software tools & enironment needed to build games and online infrastructure for future Nintendo systems?

Quote from: *2007
"We propose an extensible component operating system architecture in  which an operating system kernel uses reflection to process C++ pure  virtual function based system calls and upcalls to provide a unified  programming environment for application, server, and kernel development.  We found that we could even develop file subsystems and a TCP/IP  protocol stack on an existing operating system based on this  architecture."

What does everyone think of a NintenGoogle team-up?

They do have common rivals in Apple & MS
and if the OS is any good, you can count on Sony licensing it* just to stick it to MS... and make things harder for Apple.


So Nintendo and Google teamed up to make an OS? This is news to me, how long have they supposedly been working on it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2012, 08:01:35 AM
But he is still working on the ES Operating system which just so happens to be under copyright by Nintendo & Google.
http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/ (http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/)
Quote
We are creating a new pure component operating system named ES. This  project was started by Shiki Okasaka and Kyu Ueno at Nintendo largely  affected by Rob Pike's "Systems Software Research is Irrelevant (http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf)" talk in  2000. Since 2008, this project has been hosted in Google Code under the  copyright of both Google and Nintendo in hope we can reach more people  worldwide.

But what does all this mean? Is this something that Nintendo is hoping to make standard and use in the next home console?

Google just recently came out with their own browser and have an Operating System that soon to follow, could this code research have some overlap?

Is it possible that for the next generation Nintendo & Google team up to provide the software tools & enironment needed to build games and online infrastructure for future Nintendo systems?

Quote from: *2007
"We propose an extensible component operating system architecture in  which an operating system kernel uses reflection to process C++ pure  virtual function based system calls and upcalls to provide a unified  programming environment for application, server, and kernel development.  We found that we could even develop file subsystems and a TCP/IP  protocol stack on an existing operating system based on this  architecture."



So Nintendo and Google teamed up to make an OS? This is news to me, how long have they supposedly been working on it?

I did the research, it's all right there.

But to answer your question; Since atleast 2007, the research done in 2010, and Wii U being released in 2012 means they've been tinkering with this for 5 atleast years, and 4 of those "with" Google.
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Post by: Ceric on May 03, 2012, 08:14:46 AM
In light of a lot of the licensing issues with Android.  I as Nintendo wouldn't want Google's help with an OS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2012, 08:29:30 AM
Nintendo would make sure all software patents were available or secured before release.

Nintendo Law Sharks are quite vicious... but that's understandable when you have a squad of Nintenjas to intimidate all opposition.
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Post by: Adrock on May 03, 2012, 08:37:08 AM
Nintendo would make sure all software patents were available or secured before release.
Would they? I thought that was one of the biggest issues with Android. Apple has been suing the **** out of Android OEMs for patent infringment and Microsoft has been practically forcing companies like Samsung and HTC into signing licensing deals.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2012, 11:49:08 AM
Thats on Googles end & the whole reason why Google purchased motorola mobility.

Now Apple is losing lawsuits and Google currently has ridiculous patent lawsuit against microsoft right now.

Teaming with google for the patent library alone for OS functions on the uMote  (mobile touchscreen device) would be a very smart move, if you ask me.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 03, 2012, 12:25:02 PM
There is a huge public outcry over the PS3, there just aren't nearly as many old-style PS3s as their are old-style XBox 360s.
Please site your numbers.  This seems farfetched unless you are including all models of old style 360(including Jasper)

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SONY does not give a single **** about their customers (and Microsoft voluntarily did the 3 year warranty - not that they are any better than SONY) - SONY even charges a $50 diagnostic fee just for you to send them your console, and if you don't pay it within 15 days THEY KEEP YOUR CONSOLE.
I believe I read about this.  It's another reason why I didn't send my YLOD system to them and instead to a 3rd party.

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You'll never find official failure rates, because no one releases information like that, but on a percentage-wise basis, the failures rates are certainly extremely close - again, there aren't nearly as many "Phat" PS3s as there pre-Jasper XBox 360s.
According to this study by Squaretrade in 2009 (http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/xbox360-ps3-wii-reliability-08-2009/) and this study in 2008 by Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008/02/xbox-360-failure-rates-worse-than-most-consumer-electornics.ars), the PS3 is failing at a normal rate, whereas the 360 was absolutely horrible.  Please site your studies that show the PS3 and 360 failed at an equal rate.

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Also, if you ever did send a console to SONY, they specifically tell you to remove the hard drive, just like Microsoft does, so you shouldn't lose anything (unless SONY sends you a different console, in which case, depending on which model PS3 you have, you might lose everything anyway).
Yeah, they said to remove the HDD.  The problem was that you had no guarantee you'd get your original system back, whereas the 3rd party guaranteed they'd give me my original system back.  I think we're agreeing here that Sony's repair, replacement, and warranty system suck.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 03, 2012, 12:26:15 PM
The main guy on that project later left Google to start his own company and continue development on the OS. Here's his blog: http://shiki.esrille.com/ (http://shiki.esrille.com/) FWIW, he also designed the GameCube OS.
Didn't this guy work for Nintendo at first and was working on this OS?  Then he started working for Google and was allowed to continue to work on the OS (hence how Nintendo and Google started talking)?

Edit: Oh yeah, since he worked on the GCN OS, I'd think he worked for Nintendo before. :)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 03, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
I am citing my own numbers based on fixing these consoles for the past two years. Unless a normal failure rate is the majority of consoles, then I don't accept that "normal" failure rate. If anyone wants proof for SONY's $50 fee and console stealing, enter your serial number on their repair page and see for yourself. No, I am not including Jasper consoles, since those are virtually immune to the hardware failure that the 3 previous revisions are, same with the Slim PS3 in regards to the YLoD. Those numbers also are based on manufacturer repairs - which Microsoft covered for 3 years, and SONY covered for only 1 year, so of course the repairs by the manufacturer make Microsoft's numbers look a lot higher. I've never had a single customer tell me they had paid SONY's ridiculous $150 out-of-warranty fee for the YLoD, but a very large percentage of them said that they had it fixed under warranty, and another large percentage said that the console has been sitting in the closet for years, and they had already bought a replacement.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 03, 2012, 01:10:17 PM
The small sample size institute approves your numbers Brandogg. :)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 03, 2012, 01:27:51 PM
Everything is based on small samples, that's the basis of statistics. I have a very specific population of people that have broken consoles, and I wouldn't really consider thousands of customers a "small" sample size.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 03, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
Why does Nintendo (or anyone, for that matter) need to make an entirely new OS for the Wii U? Why can't they just take an existing OS like Linux or Android and run with that? Why reinvent the wheel?

Also, if Nintendo had Linux pre-installed on the Wii U as its default OS then the Linux hackers would have no need to hack it, because the Linux would already be there anyway. The PS3 didn't get hacked until Sony stripped out Other OS support. Had Sony left it in GeoHot and others would have had no motivation to do what they did.
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Post by: Ceric on May 03, 2012, 02:45:47 PM
Why does Nintendo (or anyone, for that matter) need to make an entirely new OS for the Wii U? Why can't they just take an existing OS like Linux or Android and run with that? Why reinvent the wheel?

Also, if Nintendo had Linux pre-installed on the Wii U as its default OS then the Linux hackers would have no need to hack it, because the Linux would already be there anyway. The PS3 didn't get hacked until Sony stripped out Other OS support. Had Sony left it in GeoHot and others would have had no motivation to do what they did.
Optimization and the removal of bloat.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 03, 2012, 04:01:54 PM
Why does Nintendo (or anyone, for that matter) need to make an entirely new OS for the Wii U? Why can't they just take an existing OS like Linux or Android and run with that? Why reinvent the wheel?

Also, if Nintendo had Linux pre-installed on the Wii U as its default OS then the Linux hackers would have no need to hack it, because the Linux would already be there anyway. The PS3 didn't get hacked until Sony stripped out Other OS support. Had Sony left it in GeoHot and others would have had no motivation to do what they did.
FYI, PS3 was hacked before OtherOS was removed.   I saw a huge discussion about it I think in an Engadget talkback thread about Geohot having an article done about him.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2012, 01:40:00 AM
I've tried to source this pic back to a patent... but my Google Fu is apparently not that strong.

(http://i.imgur.com/kdBQV.png)

maybe someone else will be able to validate this with an actual uspto link to the patent that contains it.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 05, 2012, 03:57:00 AM
All sources seem to go back to a NeoGAF post that doesn't link to an actual patent.
Title: "Clicky Sticks" on the uMote!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2012, 09:42:34 AM
Apparently another insider (John Harker @ NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37557549&postcount=232)) is saying that the uMote now has "clicky sticks" as in clickable circle pads. So if true, that is another controller featuer implemented to match PS360's standardized controls


also, I may have found the patent(s), but since I can't see any of the pics on the upsto site right now, we'll just have to assume these are the right ones (pub 5/3/2012)

plus more plastic attachments
(http://www.abload.de/img/ghfv3kud.jpg)

7 New Patents from Nintendo
http://uspto.com/7_Nintendo_Patents (http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=2&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=(20120503.PD.+AND+Nintendo.AS.)&OS=PD/20120503+AND+AN/Nintendo)

Quote from: 2 of 7
A controller system includes a terminal device 7, and an input device 200 as an additional device which can be attached to and detached from the terminal device 7. The controller device 7 includes a generally plate-shaped housing 50, and an LCD 51 provided on the front side of the housing. The input device 200 includes an operation section such as a stick 204, a bar-shaped first grip portion 200a, and a support portion 205. The support portion 205 detachably supports the terminal device 7 so that the screen of the LCD 51 is in a generally vertical direction when the first grip portion 200a is in the vertical direction.
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A terminal device 7 includes a generally plate-shaped housing 50, an LCD 51 provided on the front side of the housing, analog sticks 53A and 53B, a second L button 54K, and a second R button 54L. The analog sticks 53A and 53B are provided respectively in left and right portions of the LCD 51 above the center of the housing 50. The second L button 54K and the second R button 54L are provided on the back side of the housing 50 so as to generally correspond to the analog sticks 53A and 53B on the front side of the housing 50.


edit: link to the pics (including a diagram of Wii U innards)
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20120108329.pdf (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20120108329.pdf)


(http://i.imgur.com/NpO5C.jpg)
notice the 3 memory pools.  11d, 11e & 12
Internal main memory, external main memory and VRAM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 05, 2012, 10:28:10 AM
That's not really a diagram of the WiiU as much as it is a...patent application.
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Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2012, 10:31:07 AM
Interesting. I'm not a fan of the analog stick click function but, if true, I appreciate it being there for parity with the other consoles. This is especially good news because it seems Nintendo would have learned something instead of forcing 3rd parties to make due with what they're given. Now, if only the triggers...
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 05, 2012, 10:42:37 AM
I don't like the stick clicking either, but I think I would like it more with a Circle Pad type of thing than with a traditional stick, so maybe it will be better.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 05, 2012, 03:32:03 PM
I don't like the stick clicking either, but I think I would like it more with a Circle Pad type of thing than with a traditional stick, so maybe it will be better.

Even if its not better its good that its there because whether you like it or hate it its something that's standard on the competition's controllers these days, and Nintendo should strive for feature parity so as to eliminate every possible excuse developers might have for not supporting it.
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Post by: Enner on May 05, 2012, 04:55:22 PM
Maybe instead of click-in stick buttons they could have went with six face buttons. Nah, that would take up a lot of space.

I see FLASH MEMORY in the innards diagram. Would it be safe to assume that there will be 512 MB-4 GB of internal storage in every Wii U? There is no explicit mention of a USB connected hard drive. I hope EXTERNAL MAIN MEMORY means we'll be able to hook up a SATA hard drive!
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Post by: MegaByte on May 05, 2012, 05:04:50 PM
Yes, they've talked about Flash storage from the get-go. There's going to be way more than 512 (that's what the Wii had). External main memory just means memory not embedded in the CPU/GPU. i.e. what we usually refer to as RAM.
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Post by: Kairon on May 05, 2012, 05:21:02 PM
I wonder how much internal Flash storage they'll throw on there. The Wii had 512 MB, the 3DS had 2 GB, so I'd like to think that sets a baseline. The XBox 360 has that 4 GB model out there, and I'd like to think that Nintendo could best that... is that too much to hope? I mean, won't Dragon Quest X require an included custom 16 GB flash memory usb drive to run on the Wii?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 05, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
I mean, won't Dragon Quest X require an included custom 16 GB flash memory usb drive to run on the Wii?

I don't think it's custom, you can use any 16GB+ USB drive to play the game.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2012, 08:57:36 PM
Interesting. Now, if only the triggers...

Well it was rumored a while back that Nintendo had already switched to analog triggers.
That's coming from the same place, but different person, so still far from a confirmation.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 05, 2012, 09:06:54 PM
I wonder how much internal Flash storage they'll throw on there. The Wii had 512 MB, the 3DS had 2 GB, so I'd like to think that sets a baseline. The XBox 360 has that 4 GB model out there, and I'd like to think that Nintendo could best that... is that too much to hope? I mean, won't Dragon Quest X require an included custom 16 GB flash memory usb drive to run on the Wii?

I'd think (and hope) that they at least have 16GB of storage if they went with flash memory if they decide to go the non-hard drive route with the out of box model. That seems to be the appropriate amount of memory to allow a gamer to download a couple of retail releases, something they seem to being pushing.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 05, 2012, 11:47:21 PM
What would be nice is if whatever amount of flash memory that Nintendo places into the Wii U (8 or 16GBs) is also used in the eventual 3DS Lite. This way it cuts down on production costs for the flash enough that we can have adequate storage for both consoles. Nintendo would also be smart to put SDXC support in that SD card slot because those cards go above 32GBs, but they cost way more money.
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Post by: UncleBob on May 06, 2012, 12:43:11 AM
I thought SDXC cards were already confirmed to work in the 3DS.  Seems odd that they wouldn't be WiiU compatible.
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Post by: Evan_B on May 06, 2012, 01:12:53 AM
Honestly- when I purchase a digital copy of something I don't want to have to pay MORE MONEY FOR ANOTHER FLASH DRIVE FOR IT. I don't care if SD cards are the new memory card, I shouldn't have to pay more for it.

Just saying.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 06, 2012, 01:22:29 AM
Honestly- when I purchase a digital copy of something I don't want to have to pay MORE MONEY FOR ANOTHER FLASH DRIVE FOR IT. I don't care if SD cards are the new memory card, I shouldn't have to pay more for it.

Just saying.

If you buy enough music/movies/TV shows/games, even the largest flash drive won't be enough.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 06, 2012, 01:29:51 AM
When you buy a digital product, you need to find the space for it, just like you would physical space for a physical product. Personally, I'd rather buy a bigger SD card than have to make room for all those plastic game cases.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 06, 2012, 02:15:30 AM
I might buy everything digital if it does not take forever to download.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 06, 2012, 03:09:10 AM
I hope the internal storage is only 2gb so Ian can do an epic rant.
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Post by: Enner on May 06, 2012, 04:26:43 AM
Honestly- when I purchase a digital copy of something I don't want to have to pay MORE MONEY FOR ANOTHER FLASH DRIVE FOR IT. I don't care if SD cards are the new memory card, I shouldn't have to pay more for it.

Just saying.

As typed previously, there are always auxiliary/secondary costs between physical and digital copies. It's all about figuring out what costs are more acceptable than others.

I hope the internal storage is only 2gb so Ian can do an epic rant.

Heh.
I'm already running on the assumption that whatever storage the Wii U will have out of the box, it will be inadequate for the needs of the video game enthusiast. Well, at least for the needs of an enthusiast who plans to own their entire collection of games digitally. I wait anxiously on how easy or hard Nintendo will make expanding storage for the Wii U. Given the unexpected and pleasant surprise of Nintendo's commitment to having most of their games available physically and digitally on the day of the release, my best hope is that the Wii U will have an empty 2.5" SATA slot ready to receive nearly any laptop drive to be formatted and be put to use. The nightmare or "Nintendo 'Nintendo-ing' it" scenario would have the final Wii U hardware axing the USB HDD solution with Nintendo expecting me to invest in high capacity SD cards.

It's hard to guess what the will be needed in the future, but it is hard to imagine one where a Wii U with one terabyte or even 500 gigabytes of storage is the optimal recommendation. Video will not account for any hard drive space as streaming is already the predominant choice as opposed to downloading a local copy. There is the possibility of many home movies and such. Unless you plan on having a 24+ hour jukebox and slideshow, music and images shouldn't take up more than one, two, or three dozen gigabytes.

That leaves video games. Now, I have 40+ games installed on a desktop computer that take around 250-300 GB of storage. Keep in mind that the very pretty PC games have their data uncompressed for faster loading (at least I think that's how it works) and have higher quality assets (so PC gamers can show off). Digital copies of games for the Wii U ought to be much more storage efficient than PC games. Barring strange things happening, 120-180 GB or maybe even less should be barely adequate amount of storage for the life of the Wii U.

Well, unless there will be 20+ must-have games on the system that are 12-25 GB behemoths. If the PS4 and Xbox 3 end up using Blu-Ray (or equivalent) with games filling up those discs, then that could be a possibility (assuming you only want them as a digital copy).
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Post by: Shaymin on May 06, 2012, 09:20:28 AM
I hope the internal storage is only 2gb so Ian can do an epic rant.

Wasn't the original rumor 8GB?

/is probably busting out an old 500GB hard drive for his WiiU storage needs
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Post by: Kairon on May 06, 2012, 01:40:23 PM
Heh.
I'm already running on the assumption that whatever storage the Wii U will have out of the box, it will be inadequate for the needs of the video game enthusiast. Well, at least for the needs of an enthusiast who plans to own their entire collection of games digitally.

Haha, me too. In fact, my Wii U budget projected budget is taking into assumption I'll want to buy a 64 GB SD card at launch.... hmmm... I just realized I haven't even factored in an external HDD purchase, but I don't know enough about how that would work to budget for it...
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Post by: Enner on May 06, 2012, 02:17:31 PM
Haha, me too. In fact, my Wii U budget projected budget is taking into assumption I'll want to buy a 64 GB SD card at launch.... hmmm... I just realized I haven't even factored in an external HDD purchase, but I don't know enough about how that would work to budget for it...

A quick check in a newspaper ad reveals that hard drives (internal or external) don't exist in anything less than 250 GB. There are solid state drives that are more expensive with prices at US$1 a GB. A 2.5" notebook 320 GB HDD goes for $75-80 while a 500 GB one costs $90-100. A quick check of 64 GB SD cards reveals they ring up at more than $50.

Suffice to say, if you're going to buy a new hard drive to put in or be used by your Wii U, you will most likely have more storage than you will ever need. As for the nightmare SD-card-only scenario (which I doubt even Nintendo would be that stupid), that will be pretty expensive for the storage you are getting.
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Post by: UncleBob on May 06, 2012, 02:36:25 PM
80 GB External Hard Drive for under $60:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822158054

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 06, 2012, 04:34:11 PM
HDDs were a lot cheaper about a year ago, but apparently a Tsunami in Taiwan (where most HDD manufacturers are) made all the prices go way up. I got a 2TB external HDD for $79.99 on Black Friday 2010.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2012, 06:31:27 PM
HDDs were a lot cheaper about a year ago, but apparently a Tsunami in Taiwan (where most HDD manufacturers are) made all the prices go way up. I got a 2TB external HDD for $79.99 on Black Friday 2010.

I heard it was floods in Thailand.

80 GB External Hard Drive for under $60:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822158054

For less than $5 you can get a HDD enclosure from Amazon and then if you have any spare HDDs laying around you can just pop it in and make your own external HDD solution for dirt cheap.

http://www.amazon.com/SATA-Hard-Drive-Case-Enclosure/dp/B001AAVA08/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1336343523&sr=8-2

Even if you don't have spare HDDs laying around, its probably much cheaper to buy a regular internal HDD plus the enclosure and then combine them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 06, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Well, I think Nintendo will look at what Apple is providing.  I see either 8GB or 16GB being the highest Nintendo will go...but they won't go much lower than that. 

This seems like an adequate number for games, pictures, movies on a portable device...so a non portable device that could delete games and redownload them should be just fine with that number.  I could also see Nintendo having some of that memory "locked" for game saves and such.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 06, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
This seems like an adequate number for games,

COD Black Ops is an 18gb download from PSN, so 16gb wouldn't even be enough for that one game.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 06, 2012, 07:10:37 PM
I think we're leaving out an important factor here, and that's how much the price will drive up the cost of the system. Probably not a whole bunch, maybe a total cost of about $20-30 a system, since they'd have to design something that look good with system design. If the system was already going to be $299.99, then Nintendo would have to up the price to at least $329.99 or up to accommodate their usual mark up. Nintendo still wants to sell this thing to the blue ocean market or at least try to. If they miss the pricing sweet spot, then they'll easily lose those sales. The only question then is how much will the casual market even need a hard drive?
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Post by: Evan_B on May 06, 2012, 09:44:56 PM
Smart marketing implies that digitally distributed games will be priced accordingly with how much space they take up... but that's smart marketing, not Nintendo Marketing.
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Post by: Dasmos on May 06, 2012, 10:09:37 PM
Explain how that would be smart marketing?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 06, 2012, 10:12:59 PM
Evan, if that is "smart marketing", then almost no game/movie/TV/music company does "smart marketing". Although smaller games can be price less, the size of the download is not the main factor in determining the price.
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Post by: Nemo on May 06, 2012, 10:50:05 PM
Resident Evil: Revelations – 3.17 GB, $39.99
Super Mario 3D Land – 0.31 GB, $39.99

Everyone complained when Capcom considered charging $49.99. It was not smart marketing, even though the game takes up 10 times the space of Super Mario 3D Land.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 07, 2012, 12:41:29 AM
The price for games is should be market based. The rules of supply and demand should dictate that as demand falls for the physical copy of a certian games, so should the price of the digital version of the game. If I can get Steel Diver for $8.99 on Amazon then I should be able to do the same on the eShop, right?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 07, 2012, 12:51:27 AM
The price for games is should be market based. The rules of supply and demand should dictate that as demand falls for the physical copy of a certian games, so should the price of the digital version of the game. If I can get Steel Diver for $8.99 on Amazon then I should be able to do the same on the eShop, right?

It varies from store to store though. It might be $9 on Amazon, but GameStop, Toys R Us, and Best Buy have it for $40, Target has it for $36.
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Post by: MegaByte on May 07, 2012, 12:52:01 AM
Nintendo's said they're keeping the wholesale price of digital and physical retail games the same, so it'll be up to the retailers to do that.
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Post by: Evan_B on May 07, 2012, 01:15:13 AM
Evan, if that is "smart marketing", then almost no game/movie/TV/music company does "smart marketing". Although smaller games can be price less, the size of the download is not the main factor in determining the price.
Huh. I suppose I should have elaborated. My comment was not meant in a "nerd-pushes-glasses-up" manner commenting on the unfairness of the industry- I know the industry is unfair. While I understand that the wholesale price of digital and physical will be the same, companies  should understand that they would benefit greatly from honestly pricing their games based on how much space it takes up and factoring in the necessity to buy more SD cards, etc to cover that cost. I mean, they'd gain more trust and generally be more decent, but that's a risky move by anyone because the losses could also be just as severe. Yadda yadda yadda marketing 101 you all know this and it would be stupid for me to dream ideally about this silliness.

If the Wii U is going to have a crap internal memory that can't hold larger games, that's going to drive up the demand for getting more flash drives to accommodate. However, taking into account that Nintendo doesn't KNOW if "that next game" will take up more than the space your Wii U currently possesses, they can't really price it based on the need to buy additional memory for it... nor can they price on the size of the download because Nintendo would lead us to believe (and they would be partially correct) that file size isn't what counts- it's the overall experience. And hey, Super Mario 3D Land is chock-full of content and doesn't have the loading times of Resident Evil: Revelations, so it's fair that the two are similarly priced, I guess.

I don't know how I expected that last comment to blow over, honestly. But I apologize for the shallowness- I suppose it was too "bright-eyed youth" of me.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 07, 2012, 08:47:32 AM
I heard it was floods in Thailand.
My bad, it was Thailand.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 07, 2012, 06:45:17 PM
Did Blockbuster in the UK just accidently reveal the Wii U launch titles?
 
http://www.infendo.com/did-blockbuster-leak-wii-u-launch-titles-in-the-uk/#more-40193 (http://www.infendo.com/did-blockbuster-leak-wii-u-launch-titles-in-the-uk/#more-40193)
 
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• Just Dance 4
• Killer Freaks From Outer Space
• Marvel Super Heroes
• Metro Last Light
• Monsters Party
• New Super Mario Brothers Mii
• Ninja Gaiden 3
• Pikmin
• Rabbids Party Land
• Raving Rabbids
• Rayman Legends
• Shield Pose
• Splinter Cell 6
• Sports Connection
• Tekken
• Your Shape 2013
• Zombie
• Aliens: Colonial Marines
• Assassin’s Creed
• Batman Arkham City
• Darksiders II
• Dirt 3
• Formula 1 All Stars
• Game Party
• Ghost Recon Online
 

That is what I like to call a "blockbuster" Announcement.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 07, 2012, 07:00:37 PM
Isn't that also pretty much just a list of every Wii U game announced so far?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 07, 2012, 07:06:51 PM
Nothing on that list stands out as impossible.  2 Nintendo games.  3rd party ports and a few new games.  The only thing that has me questioning is the 3 Rayman games or Rabbid games...  I think 2 is possible....the platformer and the party game.  Though honestly, it could very well be only 2 games with some games being inside other games...or 2 games with one game being a downloaded game. 

If this is the launch line up for the Nintendo WiiU it is very good.  Great even...but I do have some reservations about it, that put up the red flags of doubt.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 07, 2012, 07:07:09 PM
Isn't that also pretty much just a list of every Wii U game announced so far?

Along with a bunch of games that have not been announced. I call BS on the list. Even if that list is real (they could be fake, it could also be the retailer having games that are not real like when GameStop had "Donkey Kong 3D" boxes), nothing in them indicates they would be launch games.

Spak, there are 3 Nintendo games on that list (Pikmin, NSMBM, and Shield Pose). Shield Pose would be too simplistic for a retail release, at most it would be like a $5 eShop release (at least if it's the same length and depth as the E3 demo).

At the very least, this would NOT be a launch list because Metro: Last Light is confirmed by its publisher to be a Q1 2013 release, and Wii U will be out in the UK by the end of 2012.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 07, 2012, 07:22:00 PM
Did Blockbuster in the UK just accidently reveal the Wii U launch titles?
 
http://www.infendo.com/did-blockbuster-leak-wii-u-launch-titles-in-the-uk/#more-40193 (http://www.infendo.com/did-blockbuster-leak-wii-u-launch-titles-in-the-uk/#more-40193)
 
Quote

• Just Dance 4
• Killer Freaks From Outer Space
• Marvel Super Heroes
• Metro Last Light
• Monsters Party
• New Super Mario Brothers Mii
• Ninja Gaiden 3
• Pikmin
• Rabbids Party Land
• Raving Rabbids
• Rayman Legends
• Shield Pose
• Splinter Cell 6
• Sports Connection
• Tekken
• Your Shape 2013
• Zombie
• Aliens: Colonial Marines
• Assassin’s Creed
• Batman Arkham City
• Darksiders II
• Dirt 3
• Formula 1 All Stars
• Game Party
• Ghost Recon Online
 



Fake list is fake. Like every single rumor ever made, it's nothing but speculation. If this list is even remotely true (assuming Blockbuster UK has "insider info"), then the rest of the company would have the same info as well. And we'd be seeing more lists like this from other retailers.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 07, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
my Wii U budget projected budget is taking into assumption I'll want to buy a 64 GB SD card at launch....

Woah, wait a sec, I just double-checked and the Wii U only supports SDHC (Max SD card size 32 GB), not SDXC(64GB-2TB). According to wikipedia supporting SDXC requires licensing some proprietary tech from MS so that's probably why.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 07, 2012, 07:45:10 PM
my Wii U budget projected budget is taking into assumption I'll want to buy a 64 GB SD card at launch....

Woah, wait a sec, I just double-checked and the Wii U only supports SDHC (Max SD card size 32 GB), not SDXC(64GB-2TB). According to wikipedia supporting SDXC requires licensing some proprietary tech from MS so that's probably why.


For small games like the ones found on 3DS, smartphones, and tablets, 32GB is more than enough. For console-size games, it's pathetic.


In Nintendo's defense, they are very good at file size compression. I have a ton of games on my Wii's 8GB SD card, and I've only used a fraction of the card's total capacity. Same thing with my 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 07, 2012, 07:48:51 PM
my Wii U budget projected budget is taking into assumption I'll want to buy a 64 GB SD card at launch....

Woah, wait a sec, I just double-checked and the Wii U only supports SDHC (Max SD card size 32 GB), not SDXC(64GB-2TB). According to wikipedia supporting SDXC requires licensing some proprietary tech from MS so that's probably why.

For small games like the ones found on 3DS, smartphones, and tablets, 32GB is more than enough. For console-size games, it's pathetic.

In Nintendo's defense, they are very good at file size compression. I have a ton of games on my Wii's 8GB SD card, and I've only used a fraction of the card's total capacity. Same thing with my 3DS.

Even with console games, 32GB would get you at least 3 or 4 full size games (unless the publisher decides they don't want to do any compression). Last gen, almost every console game could fit onto a 8.7GB DVD disc. Plus, like you said Nintendo has very good compression techniques. I am not worried. Besides, you will be able to use USB drives too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 07, 2012, 07:56:35 PM
The 3DS officially only supports SDHC (and regular SD), but has been shown to accept SDXC as well. The Wii didn't officially support SDHC at first, but it was added via software update with the SD card channel.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 07, 2012, 09:03:06 PM
The 3DS officially only supports SDHC (and regular SD), but has been shown to accept SDXC as well. The Wii didn't officially support SDHC at first, but it was added via software update with the SD card channel.


If the 3DS officially supports only SD and SDHC, then how can it support SDXC? By the way why do SD cards over 32GB need to have a special name ("SDXC")? Why can't they all be considered high capacity?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 07, 2012, 09:07:22 PM
I believe the difference in name refers to a slight difference in tech, either in the hardware or the software. What likely happened is Nintendo bought SD card readers that had the capability for SDXC, but they only advertised SDHC, most likely because of licensing costs. As I said, the Wii didn't officially support SDHC cards until they patched it in, even though the hardware was capable of it all along.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 07, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
Man, I would love my 3DS to have a 2TB SD card...
Title: Re: Rumor Consolidation 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 07, 2012, 11:31:24 PM
You know what guys, there's been a long road of rumors leading up to this very moment in time, and here we are, less than a month away from the big reveal @ E3 2012.

So I thought that maybe we should all take some time to review all the things that lead us to where we are now. And to help things get started, I though I would quote the Rumor Consolidation in it's entirety from beginning to present.

Rumor Consolidation 2011

September 2010:
-Itagaki of Team Ninja hints at game Devil's Third being made for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670302#msg670302)


October 2010:
-Marvell QuadCore processors for new console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg637155#msg637155) - *This might have had something to do with Kinect, But I don't remember.
-IBM implies that Wii2 uses Cell based PPC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg638565#msg638565) *Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg678425#msg678425)*


November 2010:
-Marvell Quad cores gets a large order: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642274#msg642274) From large console manufacturer - *once again might be Kinect related.
-House of the Dead: Overkill 2 in the works (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg642866#msg642866) 
-EA reviving NFL Blitz (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg644226#msg644226)


December 2010:


January 2011:
-UltraViolet Media Cloud service coming to a console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg648998#msg648998) - Most Likely Sony since Sony is a partner.
-New Pokemon game for Wii (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg649154#msg649154) *New Pokémon game for 3DS instead* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34703.msg679452#msg679452)


February 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg657316#msg657316) according to THQ *Confirmed*


March 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg661397#msg661397) according to EA *Confirmed*
-AMD working on CPU/GPU combined (Fusion based) chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release. *Update* - This matches up with this rumor from back in Dec. AMD Fusion based Xbox 720 in 2012? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32855.msg645130#msg645130)


April 2011:
-Monster Hunter 3DS to be announced soon (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg664597#msg664597) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35578.0) Monster Hunter 3G & Monster Hunter 4 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35667.0)
-SSFIV3D connects to home console (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg665437#msg665437) - Hint @ Wii2 from Capcom and 3DS -> Wii2 connectivity
-Wii price drop to $150 on May 15th (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666463#msg666463) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34277.msg671062#msg671062)
-Wii2 announcement @ E3: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666740#msg666740) 1080p HD, More powerful than PS360, BC with Wii, release late 2012 *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668832#msg668832)
-New Wii2 controller has HD screen built in (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666915#msg666915) *Non HD Screen Confirmed*
-Wii2 to use Bluray technology (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666928#msg666928) *High Density Optical Disc Confirmed*
-Wii2 actually aimed at early 2012 release (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666975#msg666975) (1st half 2012) *IGN backs this up in their mailbag (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668171#msg668171)*
-Controller Screen is actually a Touch Screen (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg666977#msg666977) *Touch Screen Confirmed*
-Project Cafe: Wii2 Controller is a Tablet: (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667008#msg667008) 6" touch Screen on Controller, front facing camera & doubles as sensor bar for BC *Codename Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778) *All Confrmed*
-Dual Analogs, Streaming & Games (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667026#msg667026) Wii2 controller to rival 3DS, NGP, iPhone & iPad apparently *Confirmed*
-1st & 3rd Party games @ E3 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667069#msg667069) *confirmed* EA, Ubisoft & Capcom all but confirmed
-Wii2 = TriCore PPC & R700 class GPU w/ 512+MB Ram (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667113#msg667113) Another surprise to be shown @ E3 *TriCore CPU Confirmed*
-3rd Parties have had Wii2 Dev Kits for Months (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667129#msg667129), Has better Motion Tracking than Move *Dev Kits Confirmed*
-Pikmin 3 moved to Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667251#msg667251) *Confirmed* to be shown @ E3; Nintendo also in talks with R* for solid AAA support.
-Wii2 launch June 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667781#msg667781); Rockstar delivering game (?GTA V?) during launch window
-Wii2, 3DS & E3!? Oh Yes!! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667939#msg667939); 3rd Parties taking a front seat this time around.
-Retro working on Wii2 game (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667943#msg667943); and it's "a project everyone wants us to do" (Starfox? Zelda? New Original FPS?)
-Nintendo prepping Head Mounted 3D VR? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg667950#msg667950) sounds like the NintendoOn to me....
-Wii 2 will not be Dreamcast, it’ll be “the PlayStation 2 of next gen” (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672134#msg672134); A true next gen console? sounds like it.
-Retro's new game is actually Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668169#msg668169)
-"Where there's smoke, there's fire" - Miyamoto's comment on Project Cafe (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668209#msg668209) - He also said not to believe everything you hear though.
-Wii2 controller has a 6.2" screen and 8 buttons (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668218#msg668218) *Confirmed*
-IGN: The N Stream (Wii2) Details "confirmed"? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668242#msg668242)
-1up says: No Friend Codes for Wii2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668681#msg668681) *Confirmed* I think
-Retro making DKCR sequel for Wii2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668753#msg668753)
-Project Cafe Codename Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg668778#msg668778); 01net rumors now have even more credibility
-4Chan Cafe "Leak" (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669121#msg669121)?; Sounds like a wishlist to me.
-Rareware to make 3DS games? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669156#msg669156); not sure how likely this one is, but Rare did release DS games
-Nintendo Select = $19.99 Players Choice line? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg669695#msg669695) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34261.msg670710#msg670710)
-Project Cafe E3 Publishers List? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670039#msg670039); More than likely fake, but the real thing will probably still be close
-Super Smash Brothers Café @ E3 2011? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg673816#msg673816); Every Nintendo Franchise to be shown off in HD? Sounds good to me ;) *SSB Wiiu & 3DS Announced - Confirmed*


May 2011:
-Haptic Feedback & Vitality Sensor Built In? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670488#msg670488) *Fake*
-Project Cafe: 8GB onboard Flash, 25GB disc & 1080p (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg670741#msg670741)
-Track Pad in the Cafe Pad? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671094#msg671094); Just because I don't believe it don't mean it's not possible... *False*
-GTAV to be revealed @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671178#msg671178)
-$350+ Wii2 starts production in October (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671233#msg671233) (Foxconn to produce (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671259#msg671259))
-MS to steal Nintendo's thunder @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671476#msg671476) *False* Not at this E3 atleast
-Zumba Fitness 2 for Project Cafe? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg671988#msg671988) to be announced/released early 2012!?
-Pikmin 3 & Endless Ocean 3 screenshots? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672082#msg672082) They're likely fake, but what if they aren't.... E3 is still so far away.
-IGN: Cafe to use a 4850? maybe 2GB's of RAM (1GB GPU & 1GB CPU)? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672602#msg672602)
-Valve working on Café (Wii2)? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg672732#msg672732); *Confirmed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg682834#msg682834)* HipHopGamer says Gabe Newell is impressed with Café and it's ease of development
-The Last Story coming to Europe!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675149#msg675149); If they translate it, it better come to the U.S. too.
-Wii VC transferable to Café? HD versions getting made? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg674961#msg674961)
-Project Café Spec Sheet? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675476#msg675476); Only time will tell *Fake*
-21 Rumors & A Bet To Back Them Up (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675797#msg675797); Gotta love a bet where we win either way!
-Metroid Café Screenshot!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675802#msg675802); I call fake, but it still looks good to me. [fake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyWPCF-fDH0)]
-HQ Camera's in Café? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675819#msg675819)
-"Final" Spec Sheet and Comparison (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675910#msg675910); I compare it to the previous Spec Sheet... (less than 6 days left) *Fake*
-New Zelda for 25th Anniversary!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg675947#msg675947); Legend of Paper Zelda anyone!? *4 Swords DSi - Confirmed*
-ESRB Leak!? Nintendo Current!? E3 Games Reel!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676051#msg676051) *update (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676943#msg676943)* *fake*
-Project Cafe @ EB Games Expo!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34193.msg676129#msg676129); Nintendo will be there, surely Café will be too. Will you be there?
-12 Skyward Sword Rumors (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676158#msg676158); A Pre-E3 roundup of Zelda Rumors (with a bonus #13)
-Super Mario Café @ E3? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676352#msg676352); It would only make sense.... *NSMBMii - Confirmed*
-Nikkei Confirms 6" Touch Screen, Camera and Rechargeable Battery (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676489#msg676489); Mid-2012 Launch Date expected *Confirmed*
-Super Mario Wii 2!? as in Super Mario for Wii 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676845#msg676845) *NSMBMii could be considered NSMBW2 - Confirmed?*
-Another 4Chan leak!? I want to believe it. So do you. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676858#msg676858); So. Do. You. *Controller details are False*
-Project Cafe to be called... Nintendo? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676915#msg676915) Just Nintendo.... that's it. *False*
-Nintendo Beem? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676926#msg676926); I think it works... not as well a xStream ;P but it's probably [fake (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg676937#msg676937)] anyways.


June 2011:
-GTA V coming in 2012!? It's Likely. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg682385#msg682385); Wiiu launch window title sounds likely too


July 2011:
-Iwata subsidizes 3DS price drop with executive pay cuts!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg688559#msg688559)
-Street Fighter x Tekken is coing to 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg688947#msg688947)


August 2011:
-4 New Nintendo Selects this Month!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg690187#msg690187) *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34277.msg691493#msg691493)
-Patents reveal uMote possibly uses Flash Mem, H.264, WirelessN, Multi-Touch and has a Cradle/Docking Station! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg690854#msg690854)
-Zone Of Enders 3DS - ZOE:3DS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg691440#msg691440); Kojima Tweeted it with pics, so it must be true right?
-Magic Box says: New Fire Emblem: Blue Sacred Sword and Red Demon Lance (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg692494#msg692494)
-01.Net  says 2nd Analog Attachment for 3DS coming (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg692603#msg692603) & then details some internal Nintendo Drama *2nd Analog  Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35578.0)
-Dragon Quest X to be MMO-like *Confirmed* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35570.0)
-01.Net says that some Nintendo Game Designs may be a little more than borrowed (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg693212#msg693212); Truth may never come to light on this one
-Epic Mickey 2 in development!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg693626#msg693626) Mickey & Oswald co-op?


September 2011:
-Monster Hunter TriG, Baten Kaitos & Mach Rider: Unchained to be unveiled @ 3DS event next week (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg695169#msg695169)
-More games rumored for next week (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg695582#msg695582); Yoshi, Ace Attorney, Etrian Odyssey and more....
-Wii U uses 28nm chips & 1T-SRAM!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg697314#msg697314) NEC & MoSys still in the picture
-Super Smash Bros. Universe!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg697830#msg697830)


October 2011:
-Luigi's Mansion 2 slide pad compatible? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg700132#msg700132) That would make it the only 1st party game so far that is...
-Some Sonic Dimensions Rumors and Details(?) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg703220#msg703220); Sega Dev [laughs] and says "*Hoax* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723280#msg723280)"


November 2011:
-Silicon Knights working on Eternal Darkness 2? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705588#msg705588); it's the only "requested" title from them that I can think of.
-Revised Wiimote w/touchscreen mentioned in Sonic Dimensions rumor? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg704076#msg704076) yet another wiimote attachment? :/
-Wii U to support 2 tablets!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg704840#msg704840) they never said it wouldn't, but anything confirming that it will is good news in my book.
-Is EA gunning to be the sole Digital Distributor for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg705558#msg705558); Trying to get any edge over Steam that it can.
-Wii U Dev Kits have atleast 2 GB of RAM (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg706351#msg706351); it was also mentioned that it was tri-core dual threaded Power based CPU & GPU around 1.2 TFlops
-DQVII or FFVII 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg707251#msg707251) - Something about 7th entry of popular JRPG released 6 months after spinoff....
-AMD's GCN Graphics Core a possibilty for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708338#msg708338); Graphics Core Next & GameCube Nintendo... surely it's just a coincedence


December 2011
-Xenoblade April 2012 in the US? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708587#msg708587); Operation Rainfall would like to take credit for this one...
-Wii U Specs: 768MB of eDRAM & 3Ghz QCore PPC? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708741#msg708741); I call BS (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708752#msg708752) on this one... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg708859#msg708859) but we will know soon enough.
-Real Wii U App Store!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg712565#msg712565); I can't wait for Angry Birds & Customizable clocks...
-EPIC Mickey 2 - Fall 2012 (Multi-plat & Co-op) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg712588#msg712588); I hope it's an improvement over the original (which I still have yet to play :P: : )


Rumor Consolidation 2012


January 2012
-Wii U eReader & iOS Apps!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg713004#msg713004); Taking on Apple head to head? You have my sword.
-Sega All-Star Racing 2? Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715600#msg715600) - was the first one any good? serious question. I've never played it.
-Nintendo's Online Network to revival Live & PSN!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715658#msg715658); Now your taking on MS & Sony head on too? You have my shield.
-Rocksteady Studios (Batman AA/AC) making a new TMNT game!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715797#msg715797); As long as it includes Bebop, we approve.
-New Wii U Dev Kits More Powerful than expected. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715798#msg715798); Now we are playing with POWER!!
-Retro Studios working on StarFox Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg715904#msg715904); I'd rather them work on something else, but I'm not mad if it's true.
-Wii U = 5X360!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719089#msg719089); Let's hope IGN gets it right this time.
-Nintendo renaming the Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg716335#msg716335); No. they will not call is Super Wii. Stop It Kytim.
-Resident Evil 6 is coming to Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg717101#msg717101); I'm the source on this one... a very pretty birdie told me.
-Nintendo using voice recognition software in Wii U (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg717101#msg717101); I hope it's comparable to this Siri I keep hearing so much about
-Zelda 3DS to be unveiled at GDC 2012 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg717101#msg717101); So soon after SS?


February 2012
-Lady GaGa: The Experience!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718197#msg718197); My ears will bleed, but I'll have no choice but to buy it (not for me)
-Activision backing Nintendo Big in 2012 & 2013 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718303#msg718303); Time to walk the walk this time
-Epic Mickey 2 U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718305#msg718305); Looks like it could be headed to Wii U now
-Samaritan on Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg718736#msg718736); @ 720p if rumors of power are to be believed.
-HD & 3D uMote screen!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719567#msg719567); I know it was speculated before, but this is a whole new patent
-CoD: BlOps2 is this years CoD title? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719711#msg719711); if it is, it will be on Wii U no doubt.
-Activision Working On Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Game? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg719782#msg719782); Do they have a studio by the name Bebop?
-Pokemon B&W Sequel to be announced this Week!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720052#msg720052); Pokemon Grey incoming? *Confirmed* Pokemon B&W2 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37097.msg720936#msg720936)
-Nintendo to make Wii U a media centerpiece!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=34617.msg720529#msg720529) Taking a page from Xbox Live's playbook? Sounds good to me.
-CryEngine Wii U Demo @ GDC (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720711#msg720711); Rumor is that they can't wait to show it off. Fact is that I can't wait to see it.
-Time Splitters 4, Overstrike & Dead Space Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg720904#msg720904); Add the sports titles and EA is not playing around this time.
-No Xbox720 till maybe 2014 & PS3 to come in 2013!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721397#msg721397); So says the same source as RE6 on Wii U...
-$299 Wii U @ launch? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg721567#msg721567); This rumor is from the same place that said 768MB embeded DRAM in Wii U. Salt Lick needed.


March 2012
-Nintendo tweaked Wii U to run Unreal Engine 4 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg722856#msg722856); Caterkiller knows the source, so direct your questions at him ;)
-Donkey Kong 3D in the works for 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg722869#msg722869); GameStop seems to thinks so... Now GameStop says *NO* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723170#msg723170)
-3 New IP's @ E3 for Nintendo? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723117#msg723117); and 10 Nintendo titles @ E3 + 70 3rd Party games in development!
-AMD has been working on Wii U GPU since atleast June 2009? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723379#msg723379); and possibly with IBM all while in India
-Current Wii U Dev Kits are True 720p with heavy uPad usage. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723752#msg723752); 1080p still possible with less uPad usage & current dev kit is not the most recent released.
-Major eShop leak? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg723997#msg723997); I would love for it to be true... but I do not believe it is. But we shall see. Can't wait 4 E3!
-Epic Mickey 2: Power of Illusion 3DS!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724084#msg724084); *TRUE* (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37299.msg724638#msg724638)... but still waiting on a Wii U version.
-Nintendo NDA's to be lifted sometime next week? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724212#msg724212) FY2012 ends after next week. Investor Meetings & Financial Reports could reveal some goodies.
-Capcom has an Action Title ready to show for Wii U @ E3! (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724212#msg724212); RE6 anyone?
-The Last Ranger is actually a sequel to Dillon's Rolling Western!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724212#msg724212); I guess we'll have to wait and see...
-Retro's next game looks "extremely impressive" and it is NOT DK, TLOZ or Metroid... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724428#msg724428); StarTropics?
-Regional Nintendo's want change U too!!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724641#msg724641); It's not just the gamers wishing for this to happen...
-New 3DS Firmware Update Incoming? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg724642#msg724642) with lots of new features included!! Nintendo Network goes live early?
-Two tribes hints @ Steamworks/Wii U Cross Platform Play? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725225#msg725225) it would be nice if Steam was on Wii U.... *wink wink*
-Headstrong rebooting a Sega IP from the Dreamcast Era? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725544#msg725544) only to have it cancelled!? ....Jet Set!?
-Nintendo & MySpace Sitting in a Tree....? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725548#msg725548); getting together for the launch of MySpaceTV? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725551#msg725551)


April

-Wii U less powerful than PS360, Developers say... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725755#msg725755); late April fools joke or the bitter truth? Probably BS either way.
-Wii U Launch 11/18/2012? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg725800#msg725800); GameStop agees (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726437#msg726437); Lots of Nintendo stuff has launched the week b4 Black Friday.
-Nintendo Grand Prix? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726440#msg726440); Nintendo's own GT/Forza? in the style of Project Gotham Racing?
-Haptics coming to Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726451#msg726451); ViviTouch does haptic rumble and not haptic touch (from what I've heard)
-Engine optimizations lead to 3x-4x performance increase (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726576#msg726576); That's from software documentation (uMote is referred to as DRC)
-Lucas Arts making a Star Wars MMO for Wii U!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726522#msg726522); I don't know, but they are making something MMO for Wii U.
-$180 is what it cost Nintendo for all the parts in Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726699#msg726699); not including assembly, R&D, shipping, etc. etc.
-Wii U currently reserves 512MB of RAM for OS functions? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726740#msg726740); that's a lot of space for a console OS. Must be nice!
-Hitman: Absolution coming to Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg726955#msg726955) along with several other titles from SE devs?
-Pandora's Tower Coming to North America? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37428.msg727346#msg727346) NWR got the scoop, GameStop is the source.
-Universal uMote!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg727584#msg727584) Potential TVGuide, Channel Preview, multi-device control and more!? make it happen please.
-Nintendo & Square ink a deal to revive an old Square character? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg727964#msg727964) From SMRPG maybe?
-Crazy rumors... (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg729622#msg729622) something about Epic & Metroid / Wii U & Android / & a big multimedia push
-uMote has been remodeled and leaked pic is not the final version? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730120#msg730120)
-uMote to get better range than we thought!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730349#msg730349) let's hope so. Nintendo was conservative with Wavebird too...
-Wii U to "Street Pass" like 3DS? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730431#msg730431); using Gamer Cards to collect data on the go? sounds good to me... I guess.
-Wii U @ $350? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730805#msg730805); Likely just a place holder price, but why spend money to advertise it?


May
-More to the "Android on Wii U" rumors than we previously thought? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731235#msg731235) Very fully featured OS incoming? A supposed Google employee on GAF seems to think so....
-Google and Nintendo have been working on an OS together since 2007 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731247#msg731247) (post from 4/30/2010) 
-"Clicky Sticks" on the uMote!? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731499#msg731499); Another controller feature to bring parity between Wii U and PS360
-New Patents show possible uMote stand and Zapper gun attachments (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731499#msg731499); lots more plastic attachments to come, I''m sure.
-Starfox in the works for Wii U? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37674.0); Let's hope that whoever is making it, loved SF64.
-Blockbuster Leaks Wii U Lineup? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731878#msg731878); looks pretty solid if true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 08, 2012, 12:54:07 AM
Thank you for that. +1
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 08, 2012, 11:32:14 AM
Did Blockbuster in the UK just accidently reveal the Wii U launch titles?
 
http://www.infendo.com/did-blockbuster-leak-wii-u-launch-titles-in-the-uk/#more-40193 (http://www.infendo.com/did-blockbuster-leak-wii-u-launch-titles-in-the-uk/#more-40193)
 
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• Just Dance 4
• Killer Freaks From Outer Space
• Marvel Super Heroes
• Metro Last Light
• Monsters Party
• New Super Mario Brothers Mii
• Ninja Gaiden 3
• Pikmin
• Rabbids Party Land
• Raving Rabbids
• Rayman Legends
• Shield Pose
• Splinter Cell 6
• Sports Connection
• Tekken
• Your Shape 2013
• Zombie
• Aliens: Colonial Marines
• Assassin’s Creed
• Batman Arkham City
• Darksiders II
• Dirt 3
• Formula 1 All Stars
• Game Party
• Ghost Recon Online
 

That is what I like to call a "blockbuster" Announcement.
A former Blockbuster UK EE told Joystiq that this is just a list of speculated games.  It's nothing different from what Gamestop does, especially during the run up to the launch of new consoles.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Lithium on May 09, 2012, 06:17:28 AM
my Wii U budget projected budget is taking into assumption I'll want to buy a 64 GB SD card at launch....

Woah, wait a sec, I just double-checked and the Wii U only supports SDHC (Max SD card size 32 GB), not SDXC(64GB-2TB). According to wikipedia supporting SDXC requires licensing some proprietary tech from MS so that's probably why.


pretty sure you can buy USB external HDDs as well. Although i hope they support usb 3.0 since you'll want a fast transfer speed when playing downloaded retail games. external usb drives are pretty cheap (you can buy a 2TB one for the same price as those marked up 360 harddrives) and they'll only get cheaper as time goes on. Hell, maybe by the end of the generation you'll be able to buy external solid state drives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) without paying an arm and a leg.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 09, 2012, 06:22:05 AM
I think we might have to put the odds of Nintendo using USB 3.0 pretty low. They're known for their. . .frugality.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2012, 07:18:10 AM
I expect Sony and MS to support USB 3.0 so Wii U should have it. However, more than feature parity, it would be nice to have in Wii U considering we probably won't see a successor until 2017-2019. When you look at it that way, USB 3.0 support makes a lot more sense. And unfortunately, this isn't one of those things 3rd parties are likely lighting up Nintendo's phones to include so this is probably the thing that suffers from Nintendo's trademark lack of foresight.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2012, 09:33:26 AM
Though you are forgetting Nintendo war against load times in general.  I think we will get USB 3.0 if you can only hook an external harddrive to the Wii U.  If it has a spot for an internal one then I think it will probably be no dice.  Though I sort of rather have eSata.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 09, 2012, 12:13:07 PM
Though you are forgetting Nintendo war against load times in general.  I think we will get USB 3.0 if you can only hook an external harddrive to the Wii U.  If it has a spot for an internal one then I think it will probably be no dice.  Though I sort of rather have eSata.
Either eSata or USB 3.0 would be ideal, or even Thunderbolt would be fine (though that is less supported).  If they do have a slot for an internal HDD, I hope they use Sata 3.0 so it's 6GB/s download speed.  SSDs make load times nearly non-existent, especially on Sata 3.0.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2012, 02:41:24 PM
Though you are forgetting Nintendo war against load times in general.  I think we will get USB 3.0 if you can only hook an external harddrive to the Wii U.  If it has a spot for an internal one then I think it will probably be no dice.  Though I sort of rather have eSata.
Either eSata or USB 3.0 would be ideal, or even Thunderbolt would be fine (though that is less supported).  If they do have a slot for an internal HDD, I hope they use Sata 3.0 so it's 6GB/s download speed.  SSDs make load times nearly non-existent, especially on Sata 3.0.
I keep waiting for SSD prices to drop but they really haven't.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: xxbrothawizxx on May 09, 2012, 02:55:14 PM
I can't speak on GTAV, but CoD will be on all available systems this fall/winter.
from iPhone to 3DS/Vita to Wii to PS360 to Wii U & PC

GTAV was part of the original rumors coming from 01.net, so I'm sure we will see it come to light at E3 as just about everything else they were talking about came true.
I know you're pretty reliable, but do you know CoD 3DS and Wii U for sure, or are you just speculating based on their prior platform choices?


In other words, has a source clued you in on this?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 09, 2012, 04:43:01 PM
Though you are forgetting Nintendo war against load times in general.  I think we will get USB 3.0 if you can only hook an external harddrive to the Wii U.  If it has a spot for an internal one then I think it will probably be no dice.  Though I sort of rather have eSata.
Either eSata or USB 3.0 would be ideal, or even Thunderbolt would be fine (though that is less supported).  If they do have a slot for an internal HDD, I hope they use Sata 3.0 so it's 6GB/s download speed.  SSDs make load times nearly non-existent, especially on Sata 3.0.
I keep waiting for SSD prices to drop but they really haven't.
SSD prices have dropped dramatically from even a year ago, but they aren't coming down fast enough for the mainstream.  I don't have one yet either.  Of course, I still haven't built my dream machine either.  Until I do that, I won't need an SSD. :) (unless I found one for a great price and could put it in a WiiU.)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
Though you are forgetting Nintendo war against load times in general.  I think we will get USB 3.0 if you can only hook an external harddrive to the Wii U.  If it has a spot for an internal one then I think it will probably be no dice.  Though I sort of rather have eSata.
Either eSata or USB 3.0 would be ideal, or even Thunderbolt would be fine (though that is less supported).  If they do have a slot for an internal HDD, I hope they use Sata 3.0 so it's 6GB/s download speed.  SSDs make load times nearly non-existent, especially on Sata 3.0.
I keep waiting for SSD prices to drop but they really haven't.
SSD prices have dropped dramatically from even a year ago, but they aren't coming down fast enough for the mainstream.  I don't have one yet either.  Of course, I still haven't built my dream machine either.  Until I do that, I won't need an SSD. :) (unless I found one for a great price and could put it in a WiiU.)
I wouldn't say dramatically when you compare them to the drop in price of even the Fastest Largest SD Cards.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 09, 2012, 06:50:31 PM
I think we might have to put the odds of Nintendo using USB 3.0 pretty low. They're known for their. . .frugality.

Even if they don't at first, they could always add it into a later revision (if they do a revision).

But is it really that costly to toss in a USB 3.0 port or two? I'm sure its a bit more than a USB 2.0 port, but could it really be THAT much more?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2012, 10:34:32 PM
I can't speak on GTAV, but CoD will be on all available systems this fall/winter.
from iPhone to 3DS/Vita to Wii to PS360 to Wii U & PC

GTAV was part of the original rumors coming from 01.net, so I'm sure we will see it come to light at E3 as just about everything else they were talking about came true.
I know you're pretty reliable, but do you know CoD 3DS and Wii U for sure, or are you just speculating based on their prior platform choices?


In other words, has a source clued you in on this?

CoD this year is done by Treyarch. They are the BIG supports of Nintendo systems.
And Activision has basically all but confirmed it's coming to Wii U already after the latest reveal.


But to answer your question, it's all speculation, but do you really think they would put the game out near launch of the Wii U and not put the game on the Wii U?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 10, 2012, 12:10:00 AM
Even if they don't at first, they could always add it into a later revision (if they do a revision).
I certainly hope not mainly because I plan to be an early adopter.
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But is it really that costly to toss in a USB 3.0 port or two? I'm sure its a bit more than a USB 2.0 port, but could it really be THAT much more?
The components aren't but Nintendo has to do more than just tossing a couple ports in Wii U. My understanding is Nintendo can either write drivers for the operating system or have the IBM integrate USB 3.0 directly into the chipset. The former is probably the cheaper route. It comes down to whether Nintendo decided USB 2.0 was adequate or had the foresight to decide that USB 2.0 won't be in a year or 2.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 10, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
Though you are forgetting Nintendo war against load times in general.  I think we will get USB 3.0 if you can only hook an external harddrive to the Wii U.  If it has a spot for an internal one then I think it will probably be no dice.  Though I sort of rather have eSata.
Either eSata or USB 3.0 would be ideal, or even Thunderbolt would be fine (though that is less supported).  If they do have a slot for an internal HDD, I hope they use Sata 3.0 so it's 6GB/s download speed.  SSDs make load times nearly non-existent, especially on Sata 3.0.
I keep waiting for SSD prices to drop but they really haven't.
SSD prices have dropped dramatically from even a year ago, but they aren't coming down fast enough for the mainstream.  I don't have one yet either.  Of course, I still haven't built my dream machine either.  Until I do that, I won't need an SSD. :) (unless I found one for a great price and could put it in a WiiU.)
I wouldn't say dramatically when you compare them to the drop in price of even the Fastest Largest SD Cards.
You do realize that SD cards tap out around 30MB/s read and 10MB/s write speeds whereas SSDs are now hitting 500+MB/s read and write speeds right?  There is no comparison between the two.  SSDs are clearly superior by a huge margin and the reason why there is a price difference.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 10, 2012, 01:55:57 PM
Though you are forgetting Nintendo war against load times in general.  I think we will get USB 3.0 if you can only hook an external harddrive to the Wii U.  If it has a spot for an internal one then I think it will probably be no dice.  Though I sort of rather have eSata.
Either eSata or USB 3.0 would be ideal, or even Thunderbolt would be fine (though that is less supported).  If they do have a slot for an internal HDD, I hope they use Sata 3.0 so it's 6GB/s download speed.  SSDs make load times nearly non-existent, especially on Sata 3.0.
I keep waiting for SSD prices to drop but they really haven't.
SSD prices have dropped dramatically from even a year ago, but they aren't coming down fast enough for the mainstream.  I don't have one yet either.  Of course, I still haven't built my dream machine either.  Until I do that, I won't need an SSD. :) (unless I found one for a great price and could put it in a WiiU.)
I wouldn't say dramatically when you compare them to the drop in price of even the Fastest Largest SD Cards.
You do realize that SD cards tap out around 30MB/s read and 10MB/s write speeds whereas SSDs are now hitting 500+MB/s read and write speeds right?  There is no comparison between the two.  SSDs are clearly superior by a huge margin and the reason why there is a price difference.
Tech wise there not to dissimilar.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 10, 2012, 02:23:09 PM
Though you are forgetting Nintendo war against load times in general.  I think we will get USB 3.0 if you can only hook an external harddrive to the Wii U.  If it has a spot for an internal one then I think it will probably be no dice.  Though I sort of rather have eSata.
Either eSata or USB 3.0 would be ideal, or even Thunderbolt would be fine (though that is less supported).  If they do have a slot for an internal HDD, I hope they use Sata 3.0 so it's 6GB/s download speed.  SSDs make load times nearly non-existent, especially on Sata 3.0.
I keep waiting for SSD prices to drop but they really haven't.
SSD prices have dropped dramatically from even a year ago, but they aren't coming down fast enough for the mainstream.  I don't have one yet either.  Of course, I still haven't built my dream machine either.  Until I do that, I won't need an SSD. :) (unless I found one for a great price and could put it in a WiiU.)
I wouldn't say dramatically when you compare them to the drop in price of even the Fastest Largest SD Cards.
You do realize that SD cards tap out around 30MB/s read and 10MB/s write speeds whereas SSDs are now hitting 500+MB/s read and write speeds right?  There is no comparison between the two.  SSDs are clearly superior by a huge margin and the reason why there is a price difference.
Tech wise there not to dissimilar.
Just because something is flash based storage does not make it similar.  That means the ipod is similar since it has flash based storage.  You can run apps from an SD card and store music an movies.  It's obviously similar.

Do you run your Windows/Mac/Linux based PC off of an SD card?  If so, then I will think about agreeing with you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 10, 2012, 02:38:01 PM
Honestly do you think an SSD drive has more in common with a traditional HDD then an SD card?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 11, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
Honestly do you think an SSD drive has more in common with a traditional HDD then an SD card?
It actually does.  That is fact.  There's no thinking involved here.  They are mostly internal drives, not portable.  They are in the same form factor as 2.5" HDDs.  They have the same connectors as HDDs (SATA).  They are 99% of the time used as the drive in the PC/Mac that you put your main OS and executable programs onto because it dramatically increases the speed in which they are accessed and started.  Here is a blog also explaining the differences between SSD & USB Flash drives. (http://premnair.wordpress.com/2010/12/20/ssd-solid-state-drive-vs-flash-drive-usb-drive/)  Here's the Wikipedia articles on SSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) and SD Cards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital).  Here is a link (http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=110985) to a forum post at Maximum PC from last year asking what the differences are between a Class 10 SD Card (fastest out there) and an SSD (please note that most SSDs have doubled in speed since this question has been asked and SD cards are still stuck at USB 2.0 speeds).

Getting an SSD into your computer is the number one way to increase the perceived speed of your computer.  Nothing else comes close.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 11, 2012, 01:22:26 PM
Honestly do you think an SSD drive has more in common with a traditional HDD then an SD card?
It actually does.  That is fact.  There's no thinking involved here.  They are mostly internal drives, not portable.  They are in the same form factor as 2.5" HDDs.  They have the same connectors as HDDs (SATA).  They are 99% of the time used as the drive in the PC/Mac that you put your main OS and executable programs onto because it dramatically increases the speed in which they are accessed and started.  Here is a blog also explaining the differences between SSD & USB Flash drives. (http://premnair.wordpress.com/2010/12/20/ssd-solid-state-drive-vs-flash-drive-usb-drive/)  Here's the Wikipedia articles on SSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) and SD Cards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital).  Here is a link (http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=110985) to a forum post at Maximum PC from last year asking what the differences are between a Class 10 SD Card (fastest out there) and an SSD (please note that most SSDs have doubled in speed since this question has been asked and SD cards are still stuck at USB 2.0 speeds).

Getting an SSD into your computer is the number one way to increase the perceived speed of your computer.  Nothing else comes close.
I Harddrive uses a motor turning a magnetic disk.
A Solid State Drive uses mostly Nand Memory.
A SD Card uses mostly Nand Memory.

The connectors and form factor are like saying just because someone is a different color and height that internally they are totally different.  Which is simply not true.   The biggest difference in the two tech is that

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An USB flash drive uses lower quality low performance NAND flash with just 1 or 2 channels. Its durable, cheap but slow. An SSD on the other hand uses high performance NAND with mutliple channels. ( 12 or 8 is not uncommon), and there is a  memory controller on a SSD which is much better and both can store data even if its not powered.

Any breakthrough in Nand memory tech and manufacturing will affect both.  That is simply not true between a SSD and HDD unless someone finds a way to make a cheaper connector or case.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 11, 2012, 01:30:20 PM
Like I've said before, the only similarity is the fact that SD and SSDs use flash memory.  Speed (both access speed and read/write speed), how they're built, how they are used, and portability are all different (some drastically). Saying SD and SSD are the same thing is like saying a steak and an orange are the same thing because they are both edible and both have a taste and flavor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 11, 2012, 01:38:53 PM
Like I've said before, the only similarity is the fact that SD and SSDs use flash memory.  Speed (both access speed and read/write speed), how they're built, how they are used, and portability are all different (some drastically). Saying SD and SSD are the same thing is like saying a steak and an orange are the same thing because they are both edible and both have a taste and flavor.
I never said they were the same thing.  Just at their core they use the same type of tech and that price fluctuations in one would mean more to the other then price fluctuations in there equivalent for the role.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 11, 2012, 02:20:42 PM
Like I've said before, the only similarity is the fact that SD and SSDs use flash memory.  Speed (both access speed and read/write speed), how they're built, how they are used, and portability are all different (some drastically). Saying SD and SSD are the same thing is like saying a steak and an orange are the same thing because they are both edible and both have a taste and flavor.
I never said they were the same thing.  Just at their core they use the same type of tech and that price fluctuations in one would mean more to the other then price fluctuations in there equivalent for the role.
And like I said, I only said they were similar because they both are flash based, which I guess is sort of what you said, even though there is a lot more tech going into an SSD than and SD card.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 11, 2012, 02:24:09 PM
Like I've said before, the only similarity is the fact that SD and SSDs use flash memory.  Speed (both access speed and read/write speed), how they're built, how they are used, and portability are all different (some drastically). Saying SD and SSD are the same thing is like saying a steak and an orange are the same thing because they are both edible and both have a taste and flavor.
I never said they were the same thing.  Just at their core they use the same type of tech and that price fluctuations in one would mean more to the other then price fluctuations in there equivalent for the role.
And like I said, I only said they were similar because they both are flash based, which I guess is sort of what you said, even though there is a lot more tech going into an SSD than and SD card.
Agree.  Its like the difference between a Cyborg and a Human.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 11, 2012, 02:25:27 PM
Like I've said before, the only similarity is the fact that SD and SSDs use flash memory.  Speed (both access speed and read/write speed), how they're built, how they are used, and portability are all different (some drastically). Saying SD and SSD are the same thing is like saying a steak and an orange are the same thing because they are both edible and both have a taste and flavor.
I never said they were the same thing.  Just at their core they use the same type of tech and that price fluctuations in one would mean more to the other then price fluctuations in there equivalent for the role.
And like I said, I only said they were similar because they both are flash based, which I guess is sort of what you said, even though there is a lot more tech going into an SSD than and SD card.
Agree.  Its like the difference between a Cyborg and a Human.
That works.  Same human shell, just the cyborg has enhanced tech making it faster and more durable.  Nice.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on May 11, 2012, 03:13:50 PM
What just happened here?
Title: FFXIV a Wii U possibility?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2012, 04:01:21 PM
So it seems Wii U could be a natural home to many upcoming MMO's
DQX is leading the way, so what would follow?

Well, it seems that Square Enix is looking to possibly bring FFXIV over to the Wii U.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37731595&postcount=5818 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37731595&postcount=5818)
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supposedly SE wants to port FFXIV to Wii U depending on whether it picks up popularity on PC soon.  The PS3 port is still being worked on and the Wii U version would not take much more in the way of resources.


Not sure exactly where that is coming from, but I don't see why he would make it up either. grain of salt as with just about everything in this thread.[/quote]
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 11, 2012, 04:03:53 PM
FF XIV is not doing anywhere near as good as Square Enix hoped, so I could see that alone being reason for a Wii U version so they can try to make back as much money as possible.

I do hope Wii U will get a real Final Fantasy game though (not just Final Fantasy Online II as I like to call it).
Title: Crytek employee talks Wii U dev kits?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2012, 04:08:29 PM
and another one from GAF: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37774590&postcount=7104 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37774590&postcount=7104)

Apparently a Crytek employee is talking about Wii U
says they aren't making a game and that Wii U is very capable, but being held back by always on controller streaming.
I'll let you read their translation (source is in french)
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- Crytek is NOT developing a game for Wii U, but they created a Crysis 3 level just to fully understand the console capabilities
- apparently he tried this level on the last DevKit available
- the game run on dx9 with a native 720p resolution, fxaa filter (it is impossible to use txaa), good framerate (30-35 stable fps), high quality texture (no pop up as in the Ps3/x360 game version due to the higher RAM amount), not fully implemented water shaders
- great particles effects (ambient occlusion on par with PC version)
- lighting effect on par with PC version (ultra setting)
- in the dev kit he tested, it is not possible to "turn off" the Pad monitor, so that it always streams 480p contents
- the programming staff thinks that (they are not sure) toggling off the Pad monitor, the game could run on a 1080p native resolution

In other posts he is well impressed by the overall console power, but he hopes that in future dev kits there will be the opportunity to disable the Wii U pad in order to unleash the console full power.

He thinks Crytek will show this demo on E3 showflor even if the game is not under development.


Original post
http://forum.spaziogames.it/board/showthread.php?t=324866&p=16074539&viewfull=1#post16074539 (http://forum.spaziogames.it/board/showthread.php?t=324866&p=16074539&viewfull=1#post16074539)

This kinda contradicts other things we've heard such as Crytek UK is making a Wii U game.
it's rumored to be Timesplitters 4, but could be Homefront 2.
Or maybe this person meant that that particular Crytek studio is not making a Wii U game and has only created a demo to familiarize themselves with the hardware.

either way... here is more salt.

anyone got some limes and tequila?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 11, 2012, 04:30:57 PM
Maybe he meant Crytek proper is not working on it (could be like Miyamoto saying Nintendo is not working something, but Retro Studios or Intelligent Systems are).

So as of right now the Wii U controller is always streaming even if the developer has no plans to utilize it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 11, 2012, 05:55:14 PM
FF XIV is not doing anywhere near as good as Square Enix hoped, so I could see that alone being reason for a Wii U version so they can try to make back as much money as possible.

I'd be tempted to try out FFXIV if it came to the Wii U, but I'd be afraid to find out exactly why it's so infamous.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on May 11, 2012, 07:09:28 PM
That was the tastiest Wii U morsel I've been fed in WEEKS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on May 11, 2012, 07:37:38 PM
Seems a shame that the developers aren't able to shut off the tablet controller if they want to. Sure, the tablet controller is the defining feature of the console, but it would be nice for the developer to have options. I guess it is currently out of the question that the Wii U can be operated with just a Wii remote and Classic Controller (Pro).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 11, 2012, 08:27:35 PM
So it seems Wii U could be a natural home to many upcoming MMO's
DQX is leading the way, so what would follow?

Well, it seems that Square Enix is looking to possibly bring FFXIV over to the Wii U.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37731595&postcount=5818 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37731595&postcount=5818)
Quote
supposedly SE wants to port FFXIV to Wii U depending on whether it picks up popularity on PC soon.  The PS3 port is still being worked on and the Wii U version would not take much more in the way of resources.


Not sure exactly where that is coming from, but I don't see why he would make it up either. grain of salt as with just about everything in this thread.
I've been playing FFXIV well over a year-and-a-half now -- I've seen every change it's made. All of the ups and downs, and it has definitely improved since its inception. The game is actually pretty fantastic now -- all that's really left to do is the graphical revamp and restructuring of the land and zones.

In terms of a Wii U version... based on the current structure of the battle system, the game figuratively BEGS to be played with that tablet controller. Using the touch screen as an input method for your character's abilities/traits would be perfectly suited for the style of gameplay SE has created in FFXIV.

I say do it. I'll hold off buying the PS3 version, and instead, I'll pick up the Wii U version - it should graphically be more impressive anyway.[/quote]
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 11, 2012, 08:29:55 PM
So it seems Wii U could be a natural home to many upcoming MMO's
DQX is leading the way, so what would follow?

Well, it seems that Square Enix is looking to possibly bring FFXIV over to the Wii U.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37731595&postcount=5818 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37731595&postcount=5818)
Quote
supposedly SE wants to port FFXIV to Wii U depending on whether it picks up popularity on PC soon.  The PS3 port is still being worked on and the Wii U version would not take much more in the way of resources.


Not sure exactly where that is coming from, but I don't see why he would make it up either. grain of salt as with just about everything in this thread.
I've been playing FFXIV well over a year-and-a-half now -- I've seen every change it's made. All of the ups and downs, and it has definitely improved since its inception. The game is actually pretty fantastic now -- all that's really left to do is the graphical revamp and restructuring of the land and zones.

In terms of a Wii U version... based on the current structure of the battle system, the game figuratively BEGS to be played with that tablet controller. Using the touch screen as an input method for your character's abilities/traits would be perfectly suited for the style of gameplay SE has created in FFXIV.

I say do it. I'll hold off buying the PS3 version, and instead, I'll pick up the Wii U version - it should graphically be more impressive anyway.

If this actually happens I'll jump in with you Rachtman!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 11, 2012, 08:36:47 PM
Excellent! I've already got a good steady group of close friends online and real life friends that play alongside me. You'll have a blast.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on May 11, 2012, 08:47:34 PM
I would also be interested in Final Fantasy XIV if the Wii U version is good. I really enjoyed playing Monster Hunter Tri with NWR members, and it'd be nice to have another game like that around here.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 11, 2012, 08:56:46 PM
http://gdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/download/en/FFXIV_2.0_Outline_EN.pdf (http://gdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/download/en/FFXIV_2.0_Outline_EN.pdf)


For those who haven't seen what changes are coming...check out Yoshida's outline leading up to V2.0. Especially read the portions pertaining to the battle system/ability icons and new graphical/zone restructuring. This all would work out incredibly well on Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 11, 2012, 09:23:05 PM
Seems a shame that the developers aren't able to shut off the tablet controller if they want to. Sure, the tablet controller is the defining feature of the console, but it would be nice for the developer to have options. I guess it is currently out of the question that the Wii U can be operated with just a Wii remote and Classic Controller (Pro).
The impression I got from that quote was when you use the tablet controller, the screen is always on which makes sense though the option to shut the screen off would be nice. Still, I can't imagine it's taxing the hardware if it's only displaying a map or mission objectives. And I would hope that you can operate the Wii U with a Wii Remote but then again, the Wii didn't recognize the GameCube controller until you were in an actual game that used it. A very bizarre oversight.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on May 11, 2012, 10:53:49 PM
What just happened here?

Friendship is magic.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 12, 2012, 12:45:22 AM
With all this supposed MMO support for Wii U, I hope Nintendo's gearing up for a MMO themselves...

*cough cough* POKEMON *cough*

Sorry, I had something in my throat. What I meant to say was "Come on, Nintendo. Get on that Pokemon MMO already."
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 12, 2012, 07:13:58 AM
Pokemon MMO would be the last MMO anyone would need.  It would be awesome.  Could start with Generation 1 and new expansions add new lands and new generations.  It would be awesome....more awesome than anything before it. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 13, 2012, 09:38:06 AM
With all this supposed MMO support for Wii U, I hope Nintendo's gearing up for a MMO themselves...

*cough cough* POKEMON *cough*

Sorry, I had something in my throat. What I meant to say was "Come on, Nintendo. Get on that Pokemon MMO already."
They outsourced it to Blizzard.  Which then made it part of World of Warcraft: Mist of Pandaria
:P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 13, 2012, 05:10:05 PM
OFF TOPIC:
I noticed a few users from here are also on NeoGaf. I tried signing up for an account, but it said I need a private email account (not free). Is that NeoGaf's way of preventing bots and kids from posting on their forums?


ON TOPIC:
So what are the chances that the Wii U will have clickable circle pads? I'd say next to 0%. How would it be possible to make a circle pad that clicks?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 13, 2012, 05:13:40 PM
I recall there being a rumor of the tablet controller have a click function. It can't be that hard to implement.


EDIT: Here's the rumor posted by BlackNMild. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731499#msg731499)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 13, 2012, 05:16:18 PM
I recall there being a rumor of the tablet controller have a click function. It can't be that hard to implement.


But with analog sticks, the sticks are raised to make the "clicking" feature work better. I don't think you'd get the same accuracy with a circle pad.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 13, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
I never liked the analog stick click but I actually think it would be more accurate since the circle pad is not raised. It's more like pushing in a button.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 13, 2012, 06:06:55 PM
I'm surprised we haven't had any confirmation of RTS games being developed for the Wii U (and 3DS). I'm not talking about Fire Emblem or Pikmin, either.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 13, 2012, 06:22:33 PM
I'm surprised we haven't had any confirmation of RTS games being developed for the Wii U (and 3DS). I'm not talking about Fire Emblem or Pikmin, either.
Patience, grasshoppa. E3. Next month. ;)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 13, 2012, 06:26:36 PM
I'm surprised we haven't had any confirmation of RTS games being developed for the Wii U (and 3DS). I'm not talking about Fire Emblem or Pikmin, either.
Patience, grasshoppa. E3. Next month. ;)


Well, the Wii U's tablet controller (and 3DS touch screen) are perfect for an RTS game. It could be the first time they could finally get the gameplay right on consoles.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 13, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
The main issue with doing them on the 3DS is the limited size of the touch screen, which would be much less of an issue on the Wii U tablet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 13, 2012, 11:18:25 PM
I wonder if the 3DS will get ports of the PSP GTA games... The 3DS could certainly handle them, seeing as how it's a bit more powerful than a PSP.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 14, 2012, 12:16:33 AM
I wonder if the 3DS will get ports of the PSP GTA games... The 3DS could certainly handle them, seeing as how it's a bit more powerful than a PSP.

A game like Grand Knight Story that is developed by Vanillaware for the PSP would make a nice addition to the 3DS library, as well as the Dragon's Crown, which is also being developed by Vanillaware for the Vita. There are many RPGs on the PSP that would be great if they were on the 3DS and Wii U. So yes, PSP games would do well on 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 14, 2012, 12:51:48 AM
ON TOPIC:
So what are the chances that the Wii U will have clickable circle pads? I'd say next to 0%. How would it be possible to make a circle pad that clicks?

By making it detect when you push down firmly on the circle pad. Whether it literally does a "click" sound or not is optional.

Why would it be hard to do that? That's what your mouse's left and right button does, as well as pretty much every button on everything since ever.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 14, 2012, 12:54:02 AM
But with analog sticks, the sticks are raised to make the "clicking" feature work better. I don't think you'd get the same accuracy with a circle pad.
The Wii U circle pad is raised compared to the 3DS circle pad.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on May 14, 2012, 01:18:07 AM
I'm surprised we haven't had any confirmation of RTS games being developed for the Wii U (and 3DS). I'm not talking about Fire Emblem or Pikmin, either.


Of course Fire Emblem doesn't count, Fire Emblem is not Real Time but Turn Based :P Maybe Blizzard will release the long awaited sequel to StarCraft 64.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 14, 2012, 02:41:25 AM
I'm surprised there isn't an FFTA3D (Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced 3D). Talking about strategy games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on May 14, 2012, 02:54:56 PM
I think the WiiU analog pads would be so much better for clicking than regular analog sticks.  My experience with pressing analog sticks is that they feel fine when its dead center but when your moving the analog stick to its limit in any direction and then try and press it down, it feels off and unnatural.  Given the WiiU seems to use raised slide pads, it'll work much better as the pad will stay perpendicular to the controller regardless which direction your moving it. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 14, 2012, 06:58:16 PM
I think the WiiU analog pads would be so much better for clicking than regular analog sticks.  My experience with pressing analog sticks is that they feel fine when its dead center but when your moving the analog stick to its limit in any direction and then try and press it down, it feels off and unnatural.  Given the WiiU seems to use raised slide pads, it'll work much better as the pad will stay perpendicular to the controller regardless which direction your moving it.


Hmm, good point. I've been playing my PS3 lately, and I really hate how difficult it is to keep the stick pressed in while I'm tilting it (to sprint in an FPS, for example).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 14, 2012, 07:06:21 PM
Why is a first person shooter making you Press a button on an analog stick to make you sprint?  Seriously!!!

It is like the game is being designed by a someone without a clue to developing intuitive controls. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 14, 2012, 07:15:09 PM
Why is a first person shooter making you Press a button on an analog stick to make you sprint?  Seriously!!!

It is like the game is being designed by a someone without a clue to developing intuitive controls.


Most shooters are like that. You have to press the analog stick in while tilting it forward to run. That's why I dislike most first-person shooters.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 14, 2012, 07:24:05 PM
You realize the majority of FPS games let you customize the controls.  So you can change which button lets you sprint.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on May 14, 2012, 07:33:22 PM
Why is a first person shooter making you Press a button on an analog stick to make you sprint?  Seriously!!!

It is like the game is being designed by a someone without a clue to developing intuitive controls. 

Haha, it's really not difficult at all. I'm already pressing on the stick to tilt it, just press a little harder and it clicks in to sprint.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 14, 2012, 07:43:03 PM
I dunno. I feel that thumb slips a little if I just press it while already moving. I kind of have adjust it a little before I decided to start running. But maybe that's just me.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 14, 2012, 07:52:42 PM
There's a huge argument over on IGN's forums about this very subject (clickable sticks on the Wii U controller). It seems a few people don't have much imagination when it comes to alternative control schemes.


You don't need clicky sticks in a shooter. Plenty of shooters on the Wii played just fine, and in most cases, "run" was mapped to the A button.


The Wii U's touch screen will give developers more room for creating customizeable controls. You can use the screen to plan airstrikes, moving a cursor to the exact position of the target. You can use it to set mines around the map.


Here's a control scheme I thought of, and another poster on IGN had the same idea.


Left Circle Pad:  Move
Right Circle Pad:  Aim / camera movement
D-Pad:  Weapon / grenade selection
L Trigger:  Aim down sights / aim grenade trajectory
L Button:  Throw grenade
R Trigger:  Shoot
R Button:  Melee / knife
A Button:  Jump
B Button:  Crouch / cover
X Button:  Sprint
Y Button:  Reload
Touch Screen:  Direct airstrike target, place claymore mine, hotswap weapons
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 14, 2012, 08:11:10 PM
My only point is its an ANALOG stick.  It has the ability to sense how far you push it.  Mario 64 did it.  Goldeneye did it.  It is not more intuitive to have to press a button to run...it is just worse design.  I don't want to choose another button to run I don't want to press a button to run period.  Just move my analog stick in the direction I want to move.

I still think Goldeneye had the best FPS controls.  Sure you couldn't Jump straight up, look down on your enemies and ran fire on them like a mouse and keyboard FPS...but you know what...Goldeneye was more realistic and still fun.  Where these COD games are realistic, but not as fun.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 14, 2012, 08:44:31 PM
That is an odd vestige from the 2D era, but I think it stems from being in run mode in a lot of FPSs means you're not allowed to shoot. You're essentially in a "run mode." It's easier for a player to know they're not gonna be able to shoot by pressing a button that says "I'm willing to make that tradeoff right now" than by moving the stick just slightly so.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 14, 2012, 09:14:15 PM

Hopefully this hasn't been posted previously, but Wii U to have Cloud storage. Looks like it will be used just for  profile and save data so the 512 mb doesn't sound so low when that is taken into consideration.


Quote
- involves the Nintendo Network
- allows for 512 MB of online storage to each gamer
- storage tied to each Nintendo Network profile
- exclusively for save games and player profile data
- launching in Japan first
- supposedly working with Seattle, WA-based Mozy, Inc.to handle this
- source says Nintendo approached Mozy in 2010
- integrated into Wii U channels




http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/nintendo-to-offer-wii-u-cloud-storage-for-save-games-and-player-profiles/
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 14, 2012, 09:46:52 PM
That is an odd vestige from the 2D era, but I think it stems from being in run mode in a lot of FPSs means you're not allowed to shoot. You're essentially in a "run mode." It's easier for a player to know they're not gonna be able to shoot by pressing a button that says "I'm willing to make that tradeoff right now" than by moving the stick just slightly so.

True, Nickmitch.  I am sure that is part of the concern...but isn't that where animation can come in and help.  Obviously, if you show the player running in such a fashion they can not shoot it would make sense.  Though honestly, I don't know why this is a part of the game either.  I would rather be allowed to shoot with a horrible accuracy and possibly get a lucky shot then not.  Again...it goes back to how great Golden Eye was.  To aim you had to STOP moving...but you could still move and shoot without aiming, but your accuracy was much worse overall.  Goldeneye with Auto aim turned off was brilliant.
Title: Splinter Cell Wii U!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2012, 12:27:37 AM
Splinter Cell coming to Wii U?
Hip Hop Gamer says it's so.

jump to the 6 minute mark to where he starts talking Wii U & Splinter Cell

He also says there will be downloade-able in game stuff
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Post by: Evan_B on May 15, 2012, 12:57:37 AM

Hopefully this hasn't been posted previously, but Wii U to have Cloud storage. Looks like it will be used just for  profile and save data so the 512 mb doesn't sound so low when that is taken into consideration.


Quote
- involves the Nintendo Network
- allows for 512 MB of online storage to each gamer
- storage tied to each Nintendo Network profile
- exclusively for save games and player profile data
- launching in Japan first
- supposedly working with Seattle, WA-based Mozy, Inc.to handle this
- source says Nintendo approached Mozy in 2010
- integrated into Wii U channels




http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/nintendo-to-offer-wii-u-cloud-storage-for-save-games-and-player-profiles/
Well this would sure-as-hell solve the internal memory issue.
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Post by: Caliban on May 15, 2012, 01:04:16 AM
I don't know if it was a slip, but he let November out at 8:35ish.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 15, 2012, 01:25:59 AM
Man the video wont play for me, but still makes me excited.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 15, 2012, 01:39:26 AM

Hopefully this hasn't been posted previously, but Wii U to have Cloud storage. Looks like it will be used just for  profile and save data so the 512 mb doesn't sound so low when that is taken into consideration.


Quote
- involves the Nintendo Network
- allows for 512 MB of online storage to each gamer
- storage tied to each Nintendo Network profile
- exclusively for save games and player profile data
- launching in Japan first
- supposedly working with Seattle, WA-based Mozy, Inc.to handle this
- source says Nintendo approached Mozy in 2010
- integrated into Wii U channels




http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/nintendo-to-offer-wii-u-cloud-storage-for-save-games-and-player-profiles/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/nintendo-to-offer-wii-u-cloud-storage-for-save-games-and-player-profiles/)
Well this would sure-as-hell solve the internal memory issue.

How would it solve internal memory issues?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 15, 2012, 02:58:56 AM

Hopefully this hasn't been posted previously, but Wii U to have Cloud storage. Looks like it will be used just for  profile and save data so the 512 mb doesn't sound so low when that is taken into consideration.


Quote
- involves the Nintendo Network
- allows for 512 MB of online storage to each gamer
- storage tied to each Nintendo Network profile
- exclusively for save games and player profile data
- launching in Japan first
- supposedly working with Seattle, WA-based Mozy, Inc.to handle this
- source says Nintendo approached Mozy in 2010
- integrated into Wii U channels




http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/nintendo-to-offer-wii-u-cloud-storage-for-save-games-and-player-profiles/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/nintendo-to-offer-wii-u-cloud-storage-for-save-games-and-player-profiles/)
Well this would sure-as-hell solve the internal memory issue.

How would it solve internal memory issues?

I'm not sure but I think it's as simple as the actual memory from the game is not stored on the Wii U, but online in the vastness of cyberspace.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 15, 2012, 03:23:39 AM
I think the idea is that you can have a smaller memory in your Wii U...if game saves are being done online as an optional backup or main download.  The problem of course is those gamers that don't get online won't use this service and it can not be depended on as the solution for having a small internal memory. 

Instead, this should be viewed as an amazing option for backing up saved game files and sharing game files with friends, but overall it is not a solution to anything.
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Post by: Evan_B on May 15, 2012, 04:27:18 AM
Cloud is a technically-infinite storage solution, but nobody has the nerve to go all the way with it because it's cyberspace, not real, and therefore can be lost with a simple global energy crisis.

It could be a solution to the lack of internal storage space if Nintendo wanted to, I don't know, actually stay ahead of the game and offer something other consoles don't have, but a mere 512 MB is a joke. Amazon gives you 30 gigs FREE upon using their service.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 15, 2012, 05:33:02 AM
Cloud is a technically-infinite storage solution, but nobody has the nerve to go all the way with it because it's cyberspace, not real, and therefore can be lost with a simple global energy crisis.

Another problem with cloud storage is that it can't come anywhere close to the access speed of a hard drive. The speed at which you can read/write to and from the cloud is FAR less than the read/write speed of a HDD. Your cloud speed is basically the speed of your internet, and while broadband is fairly common these days, even the fastest broadband still would take a long time to juggle files which are tens of gigabytes in size. With a HDD it only takes minutes, but with a cloud it would take hours or even days.
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Post by: Adrock on May 15, 2012, 07:55:18 AM
a mere 512 MB is a joke. Amazon gives you 30 gigs FREE upon using their service.
If this is just for game saves and player profiles, does it really need to be bigger? It doesn't seem like it's aspiring to be a storage solution, just a back-up tool mainly for simpler system transfers and broken consoles. I don't know too much about the cloud but going by what Chozo said, if there are speed issues, maybe Nintendo doesn't want to deal with that for anything major just yet. It would be nice to get the same kind of free storage that Amazon is offering because free things are nice. However, like GP said, for what it seems to be used for, 512MB is a decent amount of memory. I wonder how many people will need that much for game saves and such.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 15, 2012, 08:28:17 AM
Buying a new HTC or Samsung phone gives you 50GB of free storage with box.com (I think that's the one)...512MB would be a slap in the face. I actually don't give two shits about cloud storage, and am largely against it, unless it's purely option and in no way could ever even remotely be mandatory...as in, we get enough storage and storage options on the console to never, ever, have to depend on it.
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Post by: Ceric on May 15, 2012, 09:40:47 AM
512MB is not that much storage even for saves.
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Post by: Ymeegod on May 15, 2012, 09:41:17 AM
One thing about Cloud is file sharing, no I'm not talking about games but saves/scores/ect.  Or just plain backup saves since it's free and wouldn't require additional hardware.

Right now I have something like 20-30 saves files on 512MB besides rpg and sports titles most games don't require that much space--most games it's less than 10MB.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 15, 2012, 10:41:53 AM
512MB is not that much storage even for saves.


If you have fifty games. Just looking through my PS3, the largest save file is a 10 MB file.
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Post by: Ceric on May 15, 2012, 10:44:24 AM
512MB is not that much storage even for saves.


If you have fifty games. Just looking through my PS3, the largest save file is a 10 MB file.
I'll go back through my PS3 when I get home.  I don't have nearly that many and I'm fairly sure my saves take more then that in space.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 15, 2012, 01:30:43 PM
It could be a solution to the lack of internal storage space if Nintendo wanted to, I don't know, actually stay ahead of the game and offer something other consoles don't have, but a mere 512 MB is a joke. Amazon gives you 30 gigs FREE upon using their service.
Amazon only offers 5GB of free space.  That is still a lot more than 512MB.  But so far, on my PS Plus account, 512MB is more than enough.   I have over 30 game saves in my online storage and have yet to crack 100MB of space used.  Unless a save file is overbloated (the largest file I have on there is about 3MB), then 512MB should be more than sufficient for save files.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 15, 2012, 01:32:41 PM
512MB is not that much storage even for saves.


If you have fifty games. Just looking through my PS3, the largest save file is a 10 MB file.
I'll go back through my PS3 when I get home.  I don't have nearly that many and I'm fairly sure my saves take more then that in space.
What games do you play?  Are you making huge custom maps on FPS games or huge amounts of custom characters on a sports game?
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Post by: Ceric on May 15, 2012, 02:37:20 PM
512MB is not that much storage even for saves.


If you have fifty games. Just looking through my PS3, the largest save file is a 10 MB file.
I'll go back through my PS3 when I get home.  I don't have nearly that many and I'm fairly sure my saves take more then that in space.
What games do you play?  Are you making huge custom maps on FPS games or huge amounts of custom characters on a sports game?
Don't own an FPS and only own 2 sports game which I only played through 1 game of baseball and Football on respectively.  I'll check when I get home.  I may be mistaken.

While I'm thinking of it.  How much space did the Wii Animal Crossing take?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 15, 2012, 04:13:55 PM
It could be a solution to the lack of internal storage space if Nintendo wanted to, I don't know, actually stay ahead of the game and offer something other consoles don't have, but a mere 512 MB is a joke. Amazon gives you 30 gigs FREE upon using their service.
Amazon only offers 5GB of free space.  That is still a lot more than 512MB.  But so far, on my PS Plus account, 512MB is more than enough.   I have over 30 game saves in my online storage and have yet to crack 100MB of space used.  Unless a save file is overbloated (the largest file I have on there is about 3MB), then 512MB should be more than sufficient for save files.
Noted. I just checked the ECloud service though, and that's what they had on the site... in any case, Nintendo could offer a little bit more, I think, especially if they want to push the system. 512MB implies the same amount of games I bought for my Wii, which was a pretty poor amount.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 15, 2012, 05:52:41 PM
Yes, but the Wii also had to hold on Wii Shop games and othe game data. This seems like a "save data only" deal.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 15, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
512MB is not that much storage even for saves.


If the save files are small, then it's more than enough. Most Wii games have very small save files (1-3 "blocks"), and Nintendo is very good at compressing data.


Case in point: I have an 8GB SD card in my Wii with a couple dozen VC and WiiWare, and I still have over 50,000 "blocks" left over. On my 3DS, it's the same situation. I have a 16GB SD card with dozens of eShop games, and I still have over 100,000 "blocks" left over.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 15, 2012, 05:55:03 PM
It could be a solution to the lack of internal storage space if Nintendo wanted to, I don't know, actually stay ahead of the game and offer something other consoles don't have, but a mere 512 MB is a joke. Amazon gives you 30 gigs FREE upon using their service.
Amazon only offers 5GB of free space.  That is still a lot more than 512MB.  But so far, on my PS Plus account, 512MB is more than enough.   I have over 30 game saves in my online storage and have yet to crack 100MB of space used.  Unless a save file is overbloated (the largest file I have on there is about 3MB), then 512MB should be more than sufficient for save files.


PS Plus only offers 150MB, which is pathetic, considering many PS3 games can have large save files.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on May 15, 2012, 07:19:23 PM
512MB is about twice what the Wii has available for game saves, did anyone here fill up their Wii memory with nothing but saves? I know I haven't and I've played a lot of games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 15, 2012, 07:21:15 PM
It could be a solution to the lack of internal storage space if Nintendo wanted to, I don't know, actually stay ahead of the game and offer something other consoles don't have, but a mere 512 MB is a joke. Amazon gives you 30 gigs FREE upon using their service.
Amazon only offers 5GB of free space.  That is still a lot more than 512MB.  But so far, on my PS Plus account, 512MB is more than enough.   I have over 30 game saves in my online storage and have yet to crack 100MB of space used.  Unless a save file is overbloated (the largest file I have on there is about 3MB), then 512MB should be more than sufficient for save files.


PS Plus only offers 150MB, which is pathetic, considering many PS3 games can have large save files.
You're right, it is only 150MB.  I believe I am still no where near capacity on my storage though.  I'll look again when I get home...after I install Diablo III on my computer. :)
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Post by: MegaByte on May 15, 2012, 07:27:05 PM
512MB is about twice what the Wii has available for game saves, did anyone here fill up their Wii memory with nothing but saves? I know I haven't and I've played a lot of games.
Due to stuff like Swapnote, Nintendo Video, and Pokedex 3D, "extra data" is taking up about 500MB on my 3DS currently. If the limit is that low, they'll have to exclude those types of apps from backup.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on May 15, 2012, 07:31:10 PM
True, if the Wii U has applications like that then they could use a lot of data. Can you back up those files onto your computer? I forget. If so, then at least you can still back them up in some form.
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Post by: MegaByte on May 15, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
You can back up those files (they're already on the SD card), but you can't back up save files that are on 3DS cards (without a third-party adapter).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2012, 11:35:06 PM
If the rumor of cloud storage for Wii U was true and only had 512MB of space, I could see it being handy for when you carry your tablet to a friends house and want to log into your own profile.

Now I don't know how it will work in reality, but I have a pretty solid imagination. So I see it working as such; Your Wii U is at home wirelessly connected to the internet while you have your uMote over at your friends house synced to his Wii U. You log into your profile which loads your Mii and User data off your personal cloud storage, assuming that wasn't already stored on the uMote's internal memory.
Your friend pops in Madden 2013 and starts loading his custom roster complete with custom uniforms and a custom stadium.
This is where your 512MB of cloud storage comes into play.
Since you are logged into your profile on your uMote on someone elses Wii U, your account recognizes that you also own Madden 2013 and pulls your save game from your console down to the cloud and then pushes it to your new location so that you also have access to your custom roster, uniforms & stadium even though you didn't plan ahead to play Madden 2013 by bringing a memory card with you. And because you are connected to the cloud, that data is automatically updated back to your Wii U at home when you are done. So it is forever recorded that you spanked your friend from endzone to endzone on both of your saves and not just his.

If that was how the 512MB of could storage was used, then I think 512MB should be plenty. If it's meant to replace personal storage all together, then Nintendo will need to rethink that strategy.


oh and I have an article published on the front page:
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=37764.0
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 16, 2012, 12:43:19 PM
Most Wii games have very small save files (1-3 "blocks"),

But we are talking about the Wii U. This could be a problem if the Wii U gets big Bethesda RPGs like Skyrim because the save games get really huge with games like that. The Wii never had to deal with something like that, but the Wii U (hopefully) will.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 16, 2012, 02:30:14 PM
So I checked my save files on my PS3 online storage and I'm only using 25MB of it with 25 games (I was wrong about the number I had on there).  About half the games used saved files in the 100-200k size and the other have were in the 1-3MB range.

So if it is just for saves, 512MB will be more than enough.  If it is used for things such as Pokedex info (unless the way it is stored is different on the WiiU) and other collectible game information, there may be a problem.

With the info we have, I'd say it is more than enough as the rumor states it's for save info.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 16, 2012, 02:31:56 PM
512MB is about twice what the Wii has available for game saves, did anyone here fill up their Wii memory with nothing but saves? I know I haven't and I've played a lot of games.
Due to stuff like Swapnote, Nintendo Video, and Pokedex 3D, "extra data" is taking up about 500MB on my 3DS currently. If the limit is that low, they'll have to exclude those types of apps from backup.
There's no way the cloud storage will be for Nintendo Videos.  That would be something you'd have to back up used an SD card or upload to Youtube/Facebook to be able to save.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 16, 2012, 02:41:00 PM
On a device like Wii U, it doesn't really make sense to auto-download Nintendo Videos anyway, just stream on demand. Nintendo Video doesn't even deserve to exist as a standalone program, but that's another topic...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 17, 2012, 05:27:03 PM
Good read. I've got a sleeping baby in my arm, so too hard to type, just look.

http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/whispers-of-the-wii-around-the-industry-pre-e3-2012-edition/
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Post by: Evan_B on May 17, 2012, 06:51:49 PM
Massive, huh. Massive hype, massive comeback, massive world... Could mean a lot of things.

Other stuff isn't interesting, really. I hope for a more gamecube-styled Classic Controller, especially for Smash Bros.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2012, 09:57:21 PM
Mass(ive) Effect 4 featuring Samus...?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2012, 12:03:34 AM
Who wants to hear a crazy rumor?

oh.... everyone? great ;D
http://www.nintendo-gamer.net/2012/05/16/todays-mad-rumour-eminem-and-wii-u-team-up/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 18, 2012, 12:07:39 AM
Bullshit btw, the concept art was ripped off from a student's blog/DeviantArt page.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 18, 2012, 01:42:41 AM
Too often MegaByte shines the harsh, unwanted light of reality on our Wii U fantasies.

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/shyguy70/debbie-downer.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2012, 02:08:27 AM
Bullshit btw, the concept art was ripped off from a student's blog/DeviantArt page.

There was concept art?

But anyway, I only left a link (no post title, no quotes) and called it crazy for a reason.
But sometimes..... you just never know what too crazy/stupid to not be true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 18, 2012, 02:14:21 AM
Bullshit btw, the concept art was ripped off from a student's blog/DeviantArt page.

I don't think that picture of MnM and duck hunt ducks were meant to be anything but a picture that somewhat relates to the rumor.
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Post by: MegaByte on May 18, 2012, 02:25:00 AM
I was referring to the follow-up rumor content (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=177431).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2012, 02:38:56 AM
I was referring to the follow-up rumor content (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=177431).

So are you saying the whole thing is BS, or that the follow-up content they tried to add to it is BS?

and on a completely unrelated note
https://twitter.com/#!/Eminem/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2F1bvqwi
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 18, 2012, 02:49:26 AM
I was referring to the follow-up rumor content (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=177431).

Those goons! I hope there is truth to this rumor, but already someone F's up the credibility.
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Post by: Treverend on May 18, 2012, 10:59:43 PM
@Caterkiller Can you ask your source what resolution Unreal Engine 4 uses on Wii U, and at how many frames?
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 18, 2012, 11:11:25 PM
@Caterkiller Can you ask your source what resolution Unreal Engine 4 uses on Wii U, and at how many frames?

Hello stranger! I assume you have come from far away boards to get info. I'm certain he doesn't know as I'm sure his company doesn't have access to one. Maybe they do, i'm not sure I'll check though and you can report it back to neogaf later. ;)
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Post by: Treverend on May 18, 2012, 11:24:06 PM
Oh he might not have a Wii U? Disregard the questions I sent you if he can't answer them, wasn't sure. xD That's AMAZING Unreal Engine 4 is confirmed though, if that's true, which I really hope it is, I have no doubt Nintendo will be right there with the other next gen systems.
Title: New Rumors
Post by: Caterkiller on May 19, 2012, 12:20:09 AM
BlackNMild recently put me on a mission to find out more, but at the time none of my developer sources knew anything, i'll check again.


Edit:


-So I just got confirmation from a great source that Far Cry 3 will NOT be coming out for Wii U.


-Assassins Creed 3 Wii U is the same game as the PS360 versions. Didn't clarify version specifics if any.


-This person said 2 Wii U tablets could be used at once, but at the same time, didn't sound very positive. I didn't press it further after I realized this person wasn't a Nintendo fan, and wondered why all I had was a big red Wii in my living room. 


I know it seems like i'm just fishing for comments, but again I got a real source! Even after working on those SW The Old Republic cut scenes a couple years ago, I didn't realize until recently how many connections to developers I had!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on May 19, 2012, 01:14:30 AM
Its too bad developers can't just be console agnostic. Seems so childish.
Title: Retro making Startroid Fusion?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2012, 09:21:51 AM
Retro Studios’ Wii U game “Star Fox – Metroid: Fusion Saga”?
http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2012/05/19/rumor-is-retro-studios-wii-u-game-star-fox-metroid-fusion-saga/ (http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2012/05/19/rumor-is-retro-studios-wii-u-game-star-fox-metroid-fusion-saga/)
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- Nintendo sees Retro Studios as a very competent developer and worked with them in creating the hybrid title of Star Fox – Metroid: Fusion Saga.
- The title has multiple gameplay mechanics and needed a wide staff of talent to incorporate the many ideas.
- The story begins as you control Fox McCloud and the Star Fox team on deep space mission in your Arwing, flying through a Meteos-like stage. As you enter a light speed warp, there’s a collision with an orange ship (Samus’) and the game continues with you now plummeting to a planet as Samus in her craft.

- The game switches off between intense Arwing space and planetary battles as Fox makes his way to the planet that Samus crashed on and a Metroid Prime-like experience of gameplay as Samus on this planet, gradually uncovering its mysteries, leveling up, etc.
- The Star Fox stages represent what the series is best known for, including the chatter and coming to the aid of the rest of your team, all range mode battles, and on rails stages.
- The Metroid part of the game puts you alone, void of human or any talking character contact, and like the Prime series, sees you gaining upgrades, battling bosses, and in this case, repairing your ship.
- The game is said to be epic in size, scope, ambition.
- The pacing has been perfected to not interrupt what the feeling is behind either franchise, since Star Fox is more often known for being acceptable to have short sessions with and Metroid rather the opposite. You can opt to continue playing either just Samus’ part or Fox’s part without crossing over for much of the main game (or play it as it’s scripted back and forth), but will eventually have to complete both, as the characters will ultimately meet up.

- Though a tentative title, the idea behind the story of “Fusion Saga” is both a play on the fact that the two series are fusing together into one game and of course, a storyline behind Andross using Metroids to enhance himself, his army, etc.
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I’m leaning towards believing that this indeed could have possibly been conjured up at some point when Nintendo and Retro Studios were deciding what should the latter’s first Wii U game be.

What I can’t tell you or even guess, really, is whether or not this proposal/concept is actually, in fact, the game that Retro Studios has been working on all this time for Wii U.

Not sure I want this.

I think the revival of Star Tropics as a grand adventure with RPG elements sounds better. I hope Startroid Fusion is not a reality.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 19, 2012, 09:29:05 AM
Ugh, yeah. Do not want.

Mixing characters in Smash Bros. to duke it out? Sure, I can believe that - it's a game created to drive Nintendo fans into a zen state of happiness.

But doing a cross-over "Fusion Saga" type of game where the lore/areas/characters of both Metroid and Star Fox meet up? I don't think so.

As BnM stated, I'd rather Retro create Nintendo's own "Uncharted" series using Star Tropics as its base. Would make for a fantastically zany version of Uncharted type gameplay.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 19, 2012, 09:35:09 AM
Yeah, I don't believe that for a second. I think Platinum Games is working on Star Fox.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 19, 2012, 11:03:46 AM
Retro said before they were "working on a game everyone wanted them to do". Since I don't think anyone (except maybe Kytime) would want them to do a Metroid-Star Fox hybrid game, I think that statement contradicts this rumor.

Although I have to admit, I am curious how such a game would turn out. I think it would have a lot of potential for spawning internet memes, so it would be kinda interesting even if its just for that purpose.

I also don't think it could end up being any worse than that Other M abomination. A Metroid-Star Fox hybrid might be a pretty shitty concept, but with Retro at the helm they could probably make it good. Give Sakamoto gold and he will turn it into a piece of ****; give Retro a piece of **** and they will spin it into gold. That's the difference between Retro and Sakamoto.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on May 19, 2012, 11:22:52 AM
I'd play that game, but you know, maybe without bastardising two of Nintendo's franchises in the process?

That game would be perfect for a new IP, make it the crew's captain that goes down in the middle of a dogfight or something and everyone presumes he/she are dead. One half see you piloting the rest of the squad through Star Fox like missions to keep battling a war (or something) the other half sees you as the captain fighting off monsters/baddies to explore the planet and restore your ship so you can rejoin your comrades.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 19, 2012, 12:06:59 PM
They could also do a Metroid-Pikmin crossover where Samus and Olimar team up to battle the Metroids or whatever. They are both space based characters, so why not?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 19, 2012, 02:44:08 PM
While they're at it, they should just add Captain Falcon, too, since that's a futuristic setting.

Oh, the crossover possibilities. Makes you wonder why the Subspace Emissary was so crappy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 19, 2012, 03:04:56 PM
Retro said before they were "working on a game everyone wanted them to do". Since I don't think anyone (except maybe Kytime) would want them to do a Metroid-Star Fox hybrid game, I think that statement contradicts this rumor.

Although I have to admit, I am curious how such a game would turn out. I think it would have a lot of potential for spawning internet memes, so it would be kinda interesting even if its just for that purpose.

I also don't think it could end up being any worse than that Other M abomination. A Metroid-Star Fox hybrid might be a pretty shitty concept, but with Retro at the helm they could probably make it good. Give Sakamoto gold and he will turn it into a piece of ****; give Retro a piece of **** and they will spin it into gold. That's the difference between Retro and Sakamoto.


Well, there are people that want Retro to make a new Metroid Prime, and there are people that want Retro to make a new StarFox. Put the two together and...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on May 19, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
I'm pretty sure Retro is done with Metroid. After the three games and Wii-conversion, they're probably burned out a bit.

I do not want to see Nintendo's mascots cross over in anything other than Smash Bros. It'll come off as cheesey or hookey. No thank you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 19, 2012, 03:07:28 PM
I'd play that game, but you know, maybe without bastardising two of Nintendo's franchises in the process?

That game would be perfect for a new IP, make it the crew's captain that goes down in the middle of a dogfight or something and everyone presumes he/she are dead. One half see you piloting the rest of the squad through Star Fox like missions to keep battling a war (or something) the other half sees you as the captain fighting off monsters/baddies to explore the planet and restore your ship so you can rejoin your comrades.


So you want the exact same game, just without the StarFox and Metroid characters? What's the point then? They'd just be not-Fox and not-Samus. Same game with different characters.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on May 19, 2012, 03:23:04 PM
Yeah, it's clear you've missed the point because it is exactly that. This franchise crossover wouldn't work well, it's nonsensical. Whereas with a new IP you're not limited by anything that has come before it. You're not going to get hounded by people complaining "this doesn't play like Metroid" or "this isn't StarFox" (which is exactly what happened with Adventures). Reception would be based on the merit of the game itself, not its pedigree.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 19, 2012, 03:41:35 PM
I'm pretty sure Retro is done with Metroid. After the three games and Wii-conversion, they're probably burned out a bit.

They probably WERE burned out, but keep in mind that Metroid Prime 3 came out in 2007 which was no less than 5 years ago. Considering that over 5 full years have passed since they last worked on anything to do with Metroid I think they could be past the burned out point by now and could be up to doing it again.

I do not want to see Nintendo's mascots cross over in anything other than Smash Bros. It'll come off as cheesey or hookey. No thank you.

I agree, but I will make an effort to look past that if this rumor is true and the game actually ends up good. I might not be happy with this direction, but that doesn't mean the game will end up being terrible gameplay wise.

I also think that after how badly butchered the Samus character was in Other M I don't really think something like this matters anymore. The "purity" of the character is already tainted, so what's the difference if she crosses over with Star Fox? Before Other M I would probably be really worried or angry about this potential crossover, but now I think the damage is done so at this point who cares?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on May 19, 2012, 05:51:32 PM
So I just got confirmation from a great source that Far Cry 3 will NOT be coming out for Wii U.

Awww, that's a shame.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on May 19, 2012, 05:59:35 PM
I've toyed around the notion of a game that has the Metroid, Star Fox, and F-Zero elements mixed together ever since I read that all the ships in the game have the G-Diffuser. I don't know if I want an actual game made in to reality since it seems such a silly idea. Also, the rumor reads like they are jamming two different games with different attitudes and atmospheres together, and that seems to be a hard idea to pull off well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 19, 2012, 06:05:23 PM
That rumor is fake as fake can be.  Nintendo has a long history of making sure its different franchises are separated from each other so they don't cause brand confusion.  Unless it's a crossover game that plays completely different from the games the characters come from like Smash Bros, they won't in a million years combine the two main series of something together.

Seriously, Nintendo had Good Feel remove this song from Wario Land Shake because it was a remix of a Mario song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oa_X8gQVaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oa_X8gQVaQ)

Even though it's one of the best songs composed for the game and the best remix of the Mario 1 Underground theme ever made, Nintendo had Good Feel remove it because they wanted to keep the Mario and Wario Platformers as completely seperate series, which means even a remix of one song was unacceptable to the management of NCL.

So if one song was a big deal to Nintendo, no way in hell they'll allow something like this to happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on May 19, 2012, 06:12:34 PM
The gaming rumour mill in the run-up to E3 can be so funny. There's just no way...

On the topic of Retro's next project, I wouldn't read too much into the whole "It's a game everyone wants us to do" spiel. To my knowledge, there was never any widespread clamouring for Retro to tackle any specific franchise.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: sebasrd27 on May 19, 2012, 06:18:02 PM
Actual WiiU pad leaked!! From the twitter of a TT games tester:




(http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/nintendo/wiiu/newwiiucontroller_610.jpg)

And here, the old and actual WiiU pad, to se it´s changes:
(http://i.imgur.com/bvgFm.gif)


-Now we have analog sticks and no circle pads like on 3DS (And, on Neogaf says that the sticks have "click" feature)

-Also, we can see a new distribution of the buttons and sticks.

-Twoo unknown square little buttons...


-And the console stills remains as WiiU.



Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 19, 2012, 06:18:37 PM
That rumor is fake as fake can be.  Nintendo has a long history of making sure its different franchises are separated from each other so they don't cause brand confusion.  Unless it's a crossover game that plays completely different from the games the characters come from like Smash Bros, they won't in a million years combine the two main series of something together.

Seriously, Nintendo had Good Feel remove this song from Wario Land Shake because it was a remix of a Mario song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oa_X8gQVaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oa_X8gQVaQ)

Even though it's one of the best songs composed for the game and the best remix of the Mario 1 Underground theme ever made, Nintendo had Good Feel remove it because they wanted to keep the Mario and Wario Platformers as completely seperate series, which means even a remix of one song was unacceptable to the management of NCL.

So if one song was a big deal to Nintendo, no way in hell they'll allow something like this to happen.

Epic Song! Never knew about this!

You've given me hope that this does not exist. I know I would certainly buy it though, but there really is no need for this at all, considering the state that both franchises are in. Though I don't think Metroid is ruined by any means.

Edit:
Just in case someone missed it yesterday.
I got "confirmation" about 2 Wii U controllers being used. And no Far Cry for Wii U, not sure who was waiting on that game or how popular it is but it seemed noteworthy.

I say "confirmation" like that only cause he wasn't too concerned with Nintendo and had to think about it for a moment.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 19, 2012, 09:59:06 PM
Actual WiiU pad leaked!! From the twitter of a TT games tester:




(http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/nintendo/wiiu/newwiiucontroller_610.jpg)

And here, the old and actual WiiU pad, to se it´s changes:
(http://i.imgur.com/bvgFm.gif)


-Now we have analog sticks and no circle pads like on 3DS (And, on Neogaf says that the sticks have "click" feature)

-Also, we can see a new distribution of the buttons and sticks.

-Twoo unknown square little buttons...


-And the console stills remains as WiiU.





I would like the old design stick design back.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 19, 2012, 11:13:41 PM
Retro said before they were "working on a game everyone wanted them to do". Since I don't think anyone (except maybe Kytime) would want them to do a Metroid-Star Fox hybrid game, I think that statement contradicts this rumor.

Although I have to admit, I am curious how such a game would turn out. I think it would have a lot of potential for spawning internet memes, so it would be kinda interesting even if its just for that purpose.

I also don't think it could end up being any worse than that Other M abomination. A Metroid-Star Fox hybrid might be a pretty shitty concept, but with Retro at the helm they could probably make it good. Give Sakamoto gold and he will turn it into a piece of ****; give Retro a piece of **** and they will spin it into gold. That's the difference between Retro and Sakamoto.

the game everyone wants Nintendo to make is a new IP
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 19, 2012, 11:34:07 PM
Different people want them to make different things. Some people would love Retro to be making Zelda, whereas I'd be pretty disappointed if that's what it turned out to be. Some people want them to make Star Fox, while others want Platinum or Q Games to be doing that. Whatever it turns out to be, as good as Retro is, I'd be shocked if it weren't great.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 19, 2012, 11:39:29 PM
I just think that a drastic alteration of Zelda wouldn't be a good thing. Or if Retro made it very similar to how normal Zelda plays like DKCR, it would be panned for not taking enough risks. It's a lose-lose situation because Zelda is something that Nintendo knows how to make and makes WELL, whereas Starfox has been stale for too long now and could use some revision.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 19, 2012, 11:54:53 PM
See, I feel the exact opposite; I think a drastic alteration is exactly what Zelda needs. I just would rather that be done by someone other than Retro.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 12:30:28 AM
Different people want them to make different things. Some people would love Retro to be making Zelda, whereas I'd be pretty disappointed if that's what it turned out to be. Some people want them to make Star Fox, while others want Platinum or Q Games to be doing that. Whatever it turns out to be, as good as Retro is, I'd be shocked if it weren't great.


Why would Platinum Games make a StarFox game? They aren't owned by Nintendo, they're a completely independent developer. Same with Q Games (though I do realize Dylan Cuthbert at Argonaut Games created the original concept for StarFox on the SNES).


Then again, Namco made StarFox Assault for the GameCube.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2012, 12:39:17 AM
Why would Platinum Games make a StarFox game? They aren't owned by Nintendo, they're a completely independent developer.
Or Platinum is working on a new Star Fox and Sakurai wanted to see it because he's a huge Star Fox fan.  Like I've said before, Platinum would be the best choice for a Star Fox game because Kamiya himself is a huge fan of the series, wants to make a game for it, and has the resume of great action games to insure he'd deliver on the actual gameplay.  Considering Kamiya's record, I'd imagine Sakurai himself would agree that Kamiya is a great choice for the series and really wanted to see the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 12:45:49 AM
Just who exactly is a 1st-party Nintendo developer? I know of the following:

- Retro Studios
- Intelligent Systems (WarioWare)
- HAL Labs (Kirby, Smash Bros. series)
- Project Sora (Masahiro Sakurai's joint venture with Nintendo, created Kid Icarus Uprising)
- The Pokemon Company
- Game Freak (Pokemon main seiries)
- Monolith Soft (Xenoblade)
- EAD (Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc.)
- EAD Tokyo (DK Jungle Beat, Super Mario Galaxy series, Super Mario 3D Land)
- Nintendo Software Technology / NST (Mario vs DK series, Metroid Prime Hunters)

Am I missing some developers?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 12:47:36 AM
Why would Platinum Games make a StarFox game? They aren't owned by Nintendo, they're a completely independent developer.
Or Platinum is working on a new Star Fox and Sakurai wanted to see it because he's a huge Star Fox fan.  Like I've said before, Platinum would be the best choice for a Star Fox game because Kamiya himself is a huge fan of the series, wants to make a game for it, and has the resume of great action games to insure he'd deliver on the actual gameplay.  Considering Kamiya's record, I'd imagine Sakurai himself would agree that Kamiya is a great choice for the series and really wanted to see the game.


And how does Luigi Dude know this?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 20, 2012, 12:48:12 AM
My biggest question concerning the Wii U: Does it come in black?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=61ASMtM4FS4&feature=endscreen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=61ASMtM4FS4&feature=endscreen)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2012, 12:52:42 AM
And how does Luigi Dude know this?
Source: the internet
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 12:57:01 AM
And how does Luigi Dude know this?
Source: the internet


The internet is full of lies, rumor, and speculation. Just look at NeoGaf.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2012, 01:05:02 AM
Platinum's Kamiya wants to make a new Star Fox at gunpoint (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/19/platinums-kamiya-wants-to-make-a-new-star-fox-at-gunpoint/)

Sounds pretty legit to me. No one is saying Platinum Games absolutely are making Star Fox. You asked why they would. Well, this is why they would, not why they are.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 01:11:07 AM
Platinum's Kamiya wants to make a new Star Fox at gunpoint (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/19/platinums-kamiya-wants-to-make-a-new-star-fox-at-gunpoint/)

Sounds pretty legit to me. No one is saying Platinum Games absolutely are making Star Fox. You asked why they would. Well, this is why they would, not why they are.


Hmm, seems legit to me. Ok then, make it happen Nintendo. Have Platinum make a new StarFox game, then if it's successful, have the company join your 1st-party development family.


I'm actually surprised that Nintendo hasn't bought out Monster Games (ExciteTruck, ExciteBots), Next Level Games (Mario Strikers, Luigi's Mansion 2, Punch Out Wii), and Good-Feel (Wario Land Shake It, Kirby's Epic Yarn) yet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 20, 2012, 01:16:31 AM
Just who exactly is a 1st-party Nintendo developer? I know of the following:

- Retro Studios
- Intelligent Systems (WarioWare)
- HAL Labs (Kirby, Smash Bros. series)
- Project Sora (Masahiro Sakurai's joint venture with Nintendo, created Kid Icarus Uprising)
- The Pokemon Company
- Game Freak (Pokemon main seiries)
- Monolith Soft (Xenoblade)
- EAD (Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc.)
- EAD Tokyo (DK Jungle Beat, Super Mario Galaxy series, Super Mario 3D Land)
- Nintendo Software Technology / NST (Mario vs DK series, Metroid Prime Hunters)

Am I missing some developers?
Gack. You're selling Intelligent Systems far too short. Those guys rocked the Paper Mario series, as well as Pushmo. WarioWare is far from their best game... IMO.

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_development_teams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_development_teams)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 01:21:42 AM
Just who exactly is a 1st-party Nintendo developer? I know of the following:

- Retro Studios
- Intelligent Systems (Paper Mario, WarioWare, Pushmo, Super Metroid)
- HAL Labs (Kirby, Smash Bros. series)
- Project Sora (Masahiro Sakurai's joint venture with Nintendo, created Kid Icarus Uprising)
- The Pokemon Company
- Game Freak (Pokemon main seiries)
- Monolith Soft (Xenoblade)
- EAD (Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc.)
- EAD Tokyo (DK Jungle Beat, Super Mario Galaxy series, Super Mario 3D Land)
- Nintendo Software Technology / NST (Mario vs DK series, Metroid Prime Hunters)

Am I missing some developers?
Gack. You're selling Intelligent Systems far too short. Those guys rocked the Paper Mario series, as well as Pushmo. WarioWare is far from their best game... IMO.

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_development_teams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_development_teams)


I didn't want a Wikipedia link. I was hoping for a more "official" list from Nintendo's corporate site. I searched and found nothing. How do the people at Wikipedia know who is a true 1st-party Nintendo developer?


Does Nintendo have an official list of their 1st-party developers?


And I fixed the list.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 20, 2012, 01:27:27 AM
It just had a name or two that wasn't on your list, sorry. I was just hoping to help out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 01:31:39 AM
It just had a name or two that wasn't on your list, sorry. I was just hoping to help out.


Oh no it's ok man. I was just wondering if Nintendo lists their 1st-party developers on their corporate site? I searched and couldn't find anything. I also searched on Microsoft's gaming site for their 1st-party developers and couldn't find anything.


How do the people at Wikipedia know who is a 1st-party developer?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 20, 2012, 01:33:58 AM
Being weirdly involved in obtaining data? Your guess is as good as mine.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 20, 2012, 01:45:38 AM
And you left out probably the biggest series they've created, too...

Fire Emblem. :P

Sheesh, tendoboy. C'mon!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 20, 2012, 01:52:23 AM
Also, Advance Wars. And I'm pretty sure Metroid: Zero Mission. Intelligent Systems gets around.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2012, 01:59:50 AM
Intelligent Systems gets around.
Sluts. Where are they going to wake up next?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 20, 2012, 02:05:12 AM
Intelligent Systems gets around.
Sluts. Where are they going to wake up next?
I think I saw them with my ex-girlfriend last week...

...which means they've learned a new cheat move.. or something. :/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 02:07:00 AM
Ok ok let me revise it again:


- Retro Studios (Metroid Prime, DKC Returns, some Mario Kart 7 tracks)
- Intelligent Systems (Paper Mario, WarioWare, Pushmo, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars)
- HAL Labs (Kirby, Super Smash Bros.)
- Project Sora (Masahiro Sakurai's joint venture with Nintendo, created Kid Icarus Uprising)
- The Pokemon Company
- Game Freak (Pokemon main seiries)
- Monolith Soft (Xenoblade)
- EAD (Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc.)
- EAD Tokyo (DK Jungle Beat, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario 3D Land)
- Nintendo Software Technology / NST (Mario vs DK series, Metroid Prime Hunters)



It wasn't supposed to be a complete list of every single game they made. Sheesh. You expect me to be that diligent?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 02:08:17 AM
Intelligent Systems gets around.
Sluts. Where are they going to wake up next?
I think I saw them with my ex-girlfriend last week...

...which means they've learned a new cheat move.. or something. :/


Up up, down down, left right, left right, B, A - The Konami Code
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2012, 04:09:26 AM
Intelligent Systems gets around.
Sluts. Where are they going to wake up next?
I think I saw them with my ex-girlfriend last week...

...which means they've learned a new cheat move.. or something. :/


Up up, down down, left right, left right, B, A, select cheat

fixed
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 20, 2012, 04:14:46 AM
Intelligent Systems gets around.
Sluts. Where are they going to wake up next?
I think I saw them with my ex-girlfriend last week...

...which means they've learned a new cheat move.. or something. :/


Up up, down down, left right, left right, B, A, select cheat

fixed


I thought it was "up up, down down, left right, left right, B, A, Select, Start"?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 20, 2012, 09:00:16 AM
Actually the Select Start is only because Select changes it to two player mode for Contra and Start...well starts the game.

If you do it B, A, Start then you play one player with 30 extra men. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 20, 2012, 09:05:01 AM
I posted this else where, but about the Retro rumor...here is my thoughts.
This is a pretty stupid rumor...I don't believe it.

Unless, they took the Metroid leap too literal.

If they said the gameplay Started as a standard Star Fox mission and Fox McCloud was stranded on a planet...and he sends his team off to finish the battle while we repairs his ship I would buy it. 

Then you would have Fox playing the part of explore trying to find make shift parts to repair his ship...all along while being on a hostile alien planet...potentially being controlled by Andros's Army.

Now, that would be a cool game.  Mix in exploring and shooting action...as well as tight space control.  And even allow Fox to jump into vehicles for combat would be great...

But more importantly...this could be Nintendo asking Retro to create a bigger universe for Star Fox for the express purpose of multiplayer. 

Imagine, If Retro designed an all out robust Star Fox battle system for 8-16 players online...with Star Fox Tank, and Ar-Wing battles as well as well designed on foot combat. 

Now that would be an Epic game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 20, 2012, 09:24:52 AM
Speaking of the Konami Code....


Fast forward to 00:45
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 20, 2012, 11:17:07 AM
I posted this else where, but about the Retro rumor...here is my thoughts.
This is a pretty stupid rumor...I don't believe it.

Unless, they took the Metroid leap too literal.

If they said the gameplay Started as a standard Star Fox mission and Fox McCloud was stranded on a planet...and he sends his team off to finish the battle while we repairs his ship I would buy it. 

Then you would have Fox playing the part of explore trying to find make shift parts to repair his ship...all along while being on a hostile alien planet...potentially being controlled by Andros's Army.

Now, that would be a cool game.  Mix in exploring and shooting action...as well as tight space control.  And even allow Fox to jump into vehicles for combat would be great...

But more importantly...this could be Nintendo asking Retro to create a bigger universe for Star Fox for the express purpose of multiplayer. 

Imagine, If Retro designed an all out robust Star Fox battle system for 8-16 players online...with Star Fox Tank, and Ar-Wing battles as well as well designed on foot combat. 

Now that would be an Epic game.
I am thinking of something along the lines of Star Wars Battlefront, but a little more story driven. You'd have missions with different vehicles and such available to you, or maybe you could have a Slippy science bay and upgrade to new tech, all while trying to route out the enemy. Almost RTS esque, but from a third person perspective... and depending on how you want the multiplayer to be, the story could either only focus on Team Fox, or it could introduce a galactic defense force to buff your numbers a bit.

That's the coolest idea I could think of for reinventing the Starfox franchise. Because I'm gonna be honest- on-rail space battles don't really cut it for me, especially with the tech we have nowadays. Give me more freedom and more options, please.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 20, 2012, 03:03:42 PM
iv always thought of a more robust Star Fox, but i understand half the fans are against it. SFA does not count though, it wasn't really in the Star Fox universe. Im thinking something between SFA, Beyond Good and Evil, Star Fox 64, Grand Theft Auto, and Rogue Squadron.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 20, 2012, 04:46:04 PM
I still say it's gonna be a Metroid/Mass Effect crossover.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 20, 2012, 06:27:40 PM
Evan B:

I think the deal with Onrail shooters is that they can be carefully level mapped and planned to create a well crafted action level.

Many non-rail shooters have a problem with pacing and creating a sense of scale of the arcade battle...they also have the problem of forcing an invisible wall or some level design mechanic to bring you into the action.

Which creates many objective levels about defending bases and cargo shipments....I have always hated those levels.  I still think a well designed rail-shooter is better, but of course give us some levels with free movement. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 21, 2012, 01:29:33 PM
iv always thought of a more robust Star Fox, but i understand half the fans are against it. SFA does not count though, it wasn't really in the Star Fox universe.
FYI, Dinosaur Planet was mentioned in the instruction manual for the original Star Fox game on the SNES.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 21, 2012, 03:20:20 PM
Are you sure about that? Dinosaur Planet started as it's own game, but then Nintendo told RARE to put Star Fox in it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 21, 2012, 03:27:39 PM
That Dinosaur Planet in the SNES game was fortuna if I remember correctly. Yes there was a dinosaur planet in the first SNES game, kind of like that LandMaster stage Slippy got lost at during SF64. I might be wrong but I think in the SNES it was Fortuna, the dinosaur planet. Going to look it up.

But the SFA Dino Planet as something else entirely.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: FZeroBoyo on May 21, 2012, 03:46:23 PM
Star Fox Adventures' planet was called Sauria, was it not? I at least remember that being mentioned in Star Fox Assault. It made for one of the more silly multiplayer arenas because you could leap right off the waterfall.
Title: Castelvania Wii U & 3DS!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2012, 02:08:06 AM
Castelvania coming to Wii U too!?
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-more-castlevania-games-getting-revealed-at-e3 (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-more-castlevania-games-getting-revealed-at-e3)
Quote
As some of you may have seen Castlevania: Mirrors of Faith(3DS) got leaked earlier today, this news coincides with it. Castlevania: Mirrors of Faith will be shown with a Castlevania Lords of Shadows Sequel which is hinted for a PS3, Xbox 360, Vita, and Wii-U release. The Wii-U and 3DS Castlevania Titles are said to be Cross Compatible according to our source, which makes us ponder about the Cross Compatibly for Vita and PS3. The 3DS Version of Castlevania: Mirrors of Faith, will also feature Co-op play and will be a 2-D sidescrolling game. We will give you more details as unveilings follow.

So not only is Castlevania coming to 3DS, but has a Wii U version that may feature cross platform play?
Sounds good to me. Hopefully it's PLAYABLE at E3.
Title: Wii U's Gamer Card Function!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2012, 02:14:17 AM
Remember this: Wii U to "Street Pass" using a "Gamer Card"? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730431#msg730431)

Well, there is some more detail to go along with that now
Rumor: Wii U's Revolutionary Gamer Card Feature Detailed
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-wii-u (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-wii-u)
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The Wii U gamer card will be able to also Street Pass Nintendo 3DS(s) that are synced to the Nintendo Network. A single gamer card will be available with the Wii U along with more that can be purchased at retailers for $5 or (possibly) $10; Nintendo is said to be planning a family pack containing multiple gamer cards. From what we've been told, the gamer card hardware features a small low res GBA like LCD screen; to our assumption this keeps costs down allowing them to make the Street Pass feature a possibility without the significantly higher entity of purchasing a 3DS for the functionality across Nintendo Network devices (Wii U & 3DS).


Not much more new that what was said/speculated before. But interesting none the less.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 22, 2012, 02:15:19 AM
Co-op? Oh god please be true! And I'm not even a fan of castlevania!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 22, 2012, 02:17:04 AM
Remember this: Wii U to "Street Pass" using a "Gamer Card"? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg730431#msg730431)

Well, there is some more detail to go along with that now
Rumor: Wii U's Revolutionary Gamer Card Feature Detailed
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-wii-u (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-wii-u)
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The Wii U gamer card will be able to also Street Pass Nintendo 3DS(s) that are synced to the Nintendo Network. A single gamer card will be available with the Wii U along with more that can be purchased at retailers for $5 or (possibly) $10; Nintendo is said to be planning a family pack containing multiple gamer cards. From what we've been told, the gamer card hardware features a small low res GBA like LCD screen; to our assumption this keeps costs down allowing them to make the Street Pass feature a possibility without the significantly higher entity of purchasing a 3DS for the functionality across Nintendo Network devices (Wii U & 3DS).


Not much more new that what was said/speculated before. But interesting none the less.

Wow.... I mean... @_@ Wow. I TOTALLY dig Streetpass, I think it's one of the best features of my 3DS. If the Wii can do this too I'd be very happy but... wow... VMU?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on May 22, 2012, 02:23:55 AM
Hmmm... wonder how's that supposed to work?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 22, 2012, 02:25:32 AM
Man these sound great! I've only owned 1 Castelvenia in mu life, but if this one has co-op i'm all for it! Man my 3rd party selection is going to be huge within the first year! Already I want Aliens, Darksiders, Batman, Rayman, right off the top of my head. As long as it doesn't get terrible reviews I can't wait!

As for the Wii U street pass oh please please please please please be true!!!!!!!! When I realized how cool the Street Pass was for 3DS I thought is there a way they could do it with Wii U? It seemed difficult and kind of odd, but if they have a way then I am all for it!

Once I street passed a guy and later I found out he crapped himself when I tried to race my MK7 Airship Fortress record! It felt so good! I want more feelings like that with Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 22, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
Rumor: Wii U's Revolutionary Gamer Card Feature Detailed

I see cards lying around this picture:
 
Actual WiiU pad leaked!! From the twitter of a TT games tester:

(http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/nintendo/wiiu/newwiiucontroller_610.jpg)

Do you think those are prototype Gamer Cards?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 22, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
I don't really think so... if it's going to be an actual card, yeah, but they're saying that it has a screen so I think it's going to need a little more bulk to it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2012, 03:22:03 PM
Those are probably RFID cards because that's one of the cheaper easier to work with forms by my understanding.

I wonder if the Gamercard will let me tap the uMote and get my personally setting and privileges.  That way I can have it set one way for my son and different for me.  At $5-10 that is cheap enough for me to buy one for my whole family and let everyone StreetPass.  Maybe they'll be a Family Find Mii.  Also maybe allow the Wii U to split up the Usage stats.  Authorize pulling my save and settings down to be played on another Wii U.
Title: Ubisoft employee leak?
Post by: Caterkiller on May 22, 2012, 04:16:08 PM
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1388344/wii_u_price_release_date_details_leaked_by_ubisoft_dev_rumour.html? (http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1388344/wii_u_price_release_date_details_leaked_by_ubisoft_dev_rumour.html?)

Wii U supports DirectX 11 and is already running Unreal Engine 4
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 22, 2012, 04:25:40 PM
Something about that big list of rumors sorta makes me distrustful of it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 22, 2012, 04:28:17 PM
I don't believe it either. Except for the UE4, even then I bet all this person did was piggy back off of all the other rumors surrounding it.
Title: Re: Ubisoft employee leak?
Post by: Lithium on May 22, 2012, 04:29:32 PM
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1388344/wii_u_price_release_date_details_leaked_by_ubisoft_dev_rumour.html? (http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1388344/wii_u_price_release_date_details_leaked_by_ubisoft_dev_rumour.html?)

  • Crytek, EA and Valve are all working on Wii U
  • Valve are working on a digital distribution platform and Portal ports


that sounds way too good to be true
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2012, 04:41:09 PM
Something about that big list of rumors sorta makes me distrustful of it.
560MB dedicated to the OS <--This and the Grammar mistakes

560MB dedicated to a console OS seems to me to be way way overkill for something on specific hardware.  Especially when in a dorment state behind a game.
Title: Re: Ubisoft employee leak?
Post by: noname2200 on May 22, 2012, 04:42:00 PM
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1388344/wii_u_price_release_date_details_leaked_by_ubisoft_dev_rumour.html? (http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1388344/wii_u_price_release_date_details_leaked_by_ubisoft_dev_rumour.html?)

  • Crytek, EA and Valve are all working on Wii U
  • Valve are working on a digital distribution platform and Portal ports


that sounds way too good to be true

Eh, I can see it. That doesn't mean I believe this rumor, though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on May 22, 2012, 06:32:26 PM
No analog triggers? That's not good news for simulation racing games. Sure, you can buy a dedicated wheel and pedal set up, but that's expensive.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 22, 2012, 06:50:00 PM
I hope that's not true. What an odd omission. There are rumblings that Nintendo added clicky analog sticks and now they may ditch analog triggers. Hmm, sounds fishy to me. I know Nintendo ditched them on the Wii Remote then the Classic Controller Pro but they should know better now. I'm not ready to believe this one. I feel like 3rd parties would be like, "Um... what?"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 22, 2012, 07:12:38 PM
Something about that big list of rumors sorta makes me distrustful of it.
560MB dedicated to the OS <--This and the Grammar mistakes

560MB dedicated to a console OS seems to me to be way way overkill for something on specific hardware.  Especially when in a dorment state behind a game.
I agree. the XMB on the PS3 originally took up around 100MBs I think and they even cut that to 50MB late in the system's life.  560MBs seems like way way WAY overkill.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 22, 2012, 07:34:56 PM
Something about that big list of rumors sorta makes me distrustful of it.
560MB dedicated to the OS <--This and the Grammar mistakes

560MB dedicated to a console OS seems to me to be way way overkill for something on specific hardware.  Especially when in a dorment state behind a game.
I agree. the XMB on the PS3 originally took up around 100MBs I think and they even cut that to 50MB late in the system's life.  560MBs seems like way way WAY overkill.

Or it could be Nintendo planning for some pretty hardcore firmware upgrades in the future.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on May 22, 2012, 07:35:55 PM
Analogue shoulder buttons would work nicely with Mario Kart. The controller can already do a decent job acting as a wheel, so add in an analogue button for the gas pedal and it'd be great. I hope they didn't really axe it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 22, 2012, 07:38:06 PM
Could this be what the Wii U box art looks like?
 

 http://www.infendo.com/wii-u-should-we-even-pay-attention-to-the-rumors-and-leaks/ (http://www.infendo.com/wii-u-should-we-even-pay-attention-to-the-rumors-and-leaks/)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 22, 2012, 07:43:29 PM
No.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 22, 2012, 08:24:16 PM
Wii U supports DirectX 11 and is already running Unreal Engine 4
This part especially doesn't make sense. DirectX 11 is a Microsoft API.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 22, 2012, 09:00:05 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure a third party would cry foul at no analog triggers.

The clicky sticks, not so much. I honestly don't care about clicky sticks at all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2012, 11:06:45 PM
I was gonna post that rumor on Sunday or Monday or whenever it had surfaced, but too many things didn't quite sound right about it, so I left it sitting in my other tab (like so many other things I contemplate posting and sometimes never do). Now I can close it.

it screamed fake if you saw the original post
Quote
Hi everyone, I'm a developer Ubisoft Milan.
I followed the situation very recently the Nintendo Wii U, I would like to spread some information with you that Nintendo has told us about.
Most likely, however, will not last long, but we feel the same.
Does that in anyway sound legit?


and there was also more to it that made it sound even worse
Quote

>A lot of Dev-kits were sent to Ubisoft
>One of them was 4GHz
>The 6GHz one was from 3 months ago

There is also another fake rumor floating around about FLCL game for Wii U.
Don't buy into that one either. It another one that I decided not to post.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on May 23, 2012, 04:59:49 AM
Wii U supports DirectX 11 and is already running Unreal Engine 4
This part especially doesn't make sense. DirectX 11 is a Microsoft API.

Indeed. Shouldn't it be OpenGL? I've heard that is what is used on Nintendo platforms.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 23, 2012, 07:48:56 AM
Those rumors sounds really fake. 6GHz? 4GHz? 1.21 Gigawatts? And while I'd be open to the idea of playing as Haruko Haruhara, I'm not sure how they could make a legitimate FLCL game, by that I mean, without cheating a lot regarding the source material. I guess that never stopped anyone from making a game out of a popular franchise. At the same time, FLCL is what, like 10-11 years old. Is it really popular enough to bring back after all this time?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 23, 2012, 09:35:39 AM
Wii U supports DirectX 11 and is already running Unreal Engine 4
This part especially doesn't make sense. DirectX 11 is a Microsoft API.

Indeed. Shouldn't it be OpenGL? I've heard that is what is used on Nintendo platforms.
It is a Microsoft API, but Microsoft also has released Hardware standards to accompany it.  They have done this for the last few DirectX versions because they were tired of the API not being fully supported.  Being DirectX 11 could simply mean that the Wii U as a piece of Hardware is DirectX 11 compliant in its feature set.  Now with that being noted if Nintendo reimplemented the exact DirectX 11 API like how Wine implements the Windows library then that be a great boon for Developers.  3 Platforms from 1 API.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 23, 2012, 10:37:44 AM
I honestly don't care about clicky sticks at all.

You need them in COD in order to Sprint and/or Stab someone.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 23, 2012, 01:42:56 PM
They put the clicky sticks in just to make it easier for third parties.  The other systems have it, so include it.  Like it or not, that's an industry convention that developers expect you to offer.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 23, 2012, 02:03:57 PM
I don't see any reason to not have it. Left thumbstick click is my Z-trigger for playing N64 games on my XBox...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 23, 2012, 10:57:04 PM
Could the Xbox 360 be banned in America?
 
Quote

 
I know what you are thinking, this isn’t an article about Nintendo.  You are right, it isn’t…at least not directly.
In 2010, Motorola sued Microsoft for infringement of 16 patents (http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/10/motorola-strikes-back-sues-microsoft-for-infringement-of-16-patents/).  I won’t bore you with the details, however Motorola had requested that Microsoft cease using their patented technology and provide compensation for past infringement.  Needless to say, Microsoft did not just write a blank check to Motorola, but instead decided to battle it out in court.  Of course there is a lot more to the court battle.  Microsoft has sued Motorola as well,  so it seemed that the case would be tied up in the court system for years, or until one side gave in.
The court battle has been ongoing and it is look like Microsoft might not come out of this one victorious.  In fact, it is looking really bad for Microsoft right now.  International Trade Commission Judge David Shaw has suggested that the Xbox 360 should stop all imports and all existing consoles already in the US should be banned from further sales.  This is a huge roadblock for a console that is posting stellar sales.  This does not even take into consideration the fact that we are entering a crucial time of the year for the video game industry with E3 just around the corner.
Of course Microsoft disputed the potential banning of the system, however Judge Shaw had the following response to Microsoft’s dispute:

“enforcing intellectual property rights outweighs any potential economic impact on video game console buyers.”
As part of the judgement, Judge Shaw has stated that he wants imports of the 4GB and 250GB models stopped as soon as possible.  If the judgement is enforced, President Obama and his officials will have 60 days to decide whether to allow the ban, or override the ban.  Now, normally I would say that the judge has the final say in an issue such as this, however it is an election year, and a ban on Xbox could mean layoffs.  This could get pretty ugly.
On a lighter side, a ban on the Xbox 360 could be huge fro the Wii U.  With Microsoft out of the picture only Sony and Nintendo would remain.  And with only one of the two pushing a new system, could we see Xbox fans jumping to Nintendo?  I only ask because the rivalry between Sony and Xbox fans is pretty rough.  What are your thoughts on the judgement?
 
 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 23, 2012, 11:31:12 PM
where are you quoting from?

that link to the article in the quote is 2 years old

sounds like wishful thinking to me. Also, it wouldn't affect xbox 360 much. The install base is too high. With 66.6 million users worldwide its not really a big deal if consoles go off the shelves.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2012, 12:21:37 AM
It would affect Microsoft a whole bunch. MS would have to pull all of that inventory off of the shelves, put it somewhere, and halt production. That's assuming an actual ban goes through. It'd cost them a lot of money and close off a revenue stream. Hell, it might force them to drop the 720 sooner than later.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on May 24, 2012, 12:45:34 AM
In these cases the judge makes a recommendation, not a judgment. And its rare that a ban is followed through.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Uncle_Optimus on May 24, 2012, 06:15:37 AM
It's messier than just this potential XBox ban...
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/05/xbox-itc-motorola/
That link details how MS is simultaneously pursuing a ban on Motorola phone and tablet imports. Yuck...this is a patent pissing contest. I think it will ultimately conclude with a cross-licensing agreement between the two companies and MAYBE a lower negotiated payout from MS.
I can't say with certainty, and it helps that Motorola is now owned by cash-flush Google, but mobile devices comprise the majority of their revenue. Meanwhile, MS just seems happy if their Entertainment division profits at all (their money printers are of course elsewhere).
 It benefits Motorola little to win a retail ban of a product they do not even compete against and thus it seems likely they would settle for cash and patent licenses. Motorola has been bleeding cash for a while now, surely Google wouldn't go hard line just to spite MS?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 24, 2012, 02:08:00 PM
you could import your xbox 360 from mexico, wait...you already do...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2012, 04:21:20 PM
Metroid Wii U concept art? New Deadspace in HD?
I'm not sure, and an exact source was not linked, so just enjoy the pic regardless of whether it is legit or not.

(http://cghub.com/files/Image/095001-096000/95042/007_max.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 05:36:57 PM
Metroid Wii U concept art? New Deadspace in HD?
I'm not sure, and an exact source was not linked, so just enjoy the pic regardless of whether it is legit or not.

(http://cghub.com/files/Image/095001-096000/95042/007_max.jpg)


Oh God yes.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
you could import your xbox 360 from mexico, wait...you already do...


You'd think Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, etc. would be wealthy enough to build their own factories and hire their own workers. But no, they just have to outsource to China so they can get the cheapest workers possible.


Underpaid workers = cheap/low quality output


There's a reason why most auto companies build their cars in America, even the foreign companies have plants over here. The quality (for the most part) is better.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 27, 2012, 05:53:34 PM
Source: http://cghub.com/images/view/95042/
Learn to use Google image search :-p
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 27, 2012, 06:01:52 PM
you could import your xbox 360 from mexico, wait...you already do...


You'd think Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, etc. would be wealthy enough to build their own factories and hire their own workers. But no, they just have to outsource to China so they can get the cheapest workers possible.


Underpaid workers = cheap/low quality output


There's a reason why most auto companies build their cars in America, even the foreign companies have plants over here. The quality (for the most part) is better.

Some XBox 360s come from China, some from Mexico, some from Canada, etc. It's not just Mexico, and the people who do the work (as in assembly) have little to absolutely nothing to do with the actual quality of the product.

Car companies have factories here because it's cheaper than having 10 million cars shipped from overseas.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2012, 06:02:55 PM
You'd think Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, etc. would be wealthy enough to build their own factories and hire their own workers.

That's why they're wealthy. If they did things like how you're suggesting and open their own factories in a country where it would be far more expensive to do so then they wouldn't be wealthy anymore.

Also, its not outsourcing to have consoles made in China or Taiwan or whatever because that's where they have always been made. Those jobs aren't being outsourced away from here because they were never here in the first place. Do you get it? Jobs can only be outsourced if they were ever here in the first place.

Car companies have factories here because it's cheaper than having 10 million cars shipped from overseas.

Exactly. And in addition to that most of the work these days is done with robots anyway, so just because cars might be made in the USA doesn't mean a lot of people are being paid to do it. True, there is still a lot of work which still requires human hands, but the bulk of it is robotic now and its only increasing as robots become more and more advanced and capable.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 06:06:36 PM

Car companies have factories here because it's cheaper than having 10 million cars shipped from overseas.


Then shouldn't that also apply to video game systems as well? All Nintendo hardware is manufactured in China, and Foxxcon is known for its poor treatment of its workers. Nintendo could build their own factories in Japan, Europe, and America, where they can have unionized workers. And they wouldn't have to worry about overseas shipping costs, since each region would manufacture it's own product.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2012, 06:10:14 PM
Then shouldn't that also apply to video game systems as well?

A video game console isn't as costly to ship from overseas as a car. It would probably take about 100 video game consoles to equal the weight of just one car, if not more than that.
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Post by: Adrock on May 27, 2012, 06:11:03 PM
Nintendo would have to pay them an actual wage and not the beads that Foxconn gives their workers.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2012, 06:17:44 PM
Assuming that the Foxconn thing did shut down, what would happen to the people who work there? See, that's something Tendoboy isn't considering. Those factories are their livelihood. The reason they choose to work there (and they do work their willingly, because they aren't slaves) is because its either the best job they could get or the only job they could get. If that's gone then what the hell are they supposed to do? Commit suicide becasue they can no longer support themselves and their family?

That's the thing people don't realize when they complain about sweat shops in foreign countries. You shut them down then what happens to those people?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 06:19:37 PM
Nintendo would have to pay them an actual wage and not the beads that Foxconn gives their workers.


Nintendo has their own in-house engineers, game designers, animators, etc. The actual hardware design is done by their own engineers, so why do they have to outsource the actual hardware manufacturing? Yes it's cheaper to send everything to China, but most of those workers are treated very poorly.


This question applies to Sony and Microsoft as well. Outsourcing to factories that are known to have underpaid / overworked staff is just wrong.


And the output from these outsourced factories is lower quality. Look at the animation industry, everything that is done in Korea looks cheap and sloppy. Back in the 1940's and 1950's everything was animated domestically by American animators. The output was high, and the quality was unrivaled. The animators valued their work, and it showed in the cartoons they produced. Look at cartoons today, everything looks sloppy and hastily done.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 06:21:49 PM
Assuming that the Foxconn thing did shut down, what would happen to the people who work there? See, that's something Tendoboy isn't considering. Those factories are their livelihood. The reason they choose to work there (and they do work their willingly, because they aren't slaves) is because its either the best job they could get or the only job they could get. If that's gone then what the hell are they supposed to do? Commit suicide becasue they can no longer support themselves and their family?

That's the thing people don't realize when they complain about sweat shops in foreign countries. You shut them down then what happens to those people?


Well none of these problems would happen if the sweatshops didn't exist. You don't see auto companies outsourcing their manufacturing to 3rd world countries. The problems is the workers in China aren't unionized, so they can't vouch for better pay, better work conditions, etc.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2012, 06:21:54 PM
Cars tend to weigh at least a ton and a half (3000 pounds). The original PS3 was 11 pounds. It would take about 273 PS3s to equal a car, or over 1000 Wiis.

While unions are great they tend to drive up costs. Companies don't like unions for that reason, so moving jobs to union based work forces isn't a perk to anyone.

And we've already gone over how exaggerated the conditions at Foxconn have been.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2012, 06:24:46 PM
The actual hardware design is done by their own engineers, so why do they have to outsource the actual hardware manufacturing?

Because to do it like how you suggest would bankrupt the company.

Maybe you don't really want Nintendo to go bankrupt or for the Foxconn workers to starve to death, but that's the effect that would happen if what you want were actually carried out.

Yes it's cheaper to send everything to China, but most of those workers are treated very poorly.

A poor job is better than none at all.

Would you at least ensure there is some alternative in place for those workers before you pulled the rug out from underneath them?

Well none of these problems would happen if the sweatshops didn't exist.

If sweatshops didn't exist what jobs would these people have? In a perfect world everyone could have a cushy high paying union job, but how could that be possible? In places like Africa people are literally starving to death because they have no job at all period. I'm sure they would love to have something like Foxconn because even something terrible is better than nothing.

If Chinese factory workers unionized, you know what would happen? The jobs would be outsourced from there to some other 3rd world country, such as Africa and the Chinese would be unemployed. People in Africa would benefit if the factories moved in, but China would be where we're at right now with no manufacturing jobs because they've all been outsourced to where the labor was cheaper.

You don't see auto companies outsourcing their manufacturing to 3rd world countries.

Brandogg explained that. The shipping costs for 10 million cars weighing 2+ tons a piece would be horrendous and would more than cancel out any savings from the cheaper labor. Not to mention that a lot of the manufacturing these days is robotic anyway, and you don't have to pay robots a wage.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 06:26:15 PM
Cars tend to weigh at least a ton and a half (3000 pounds). The original PS3 was 11 pounds. It would take about 273 PS3s to equal a car, or over 1000 Wiis.

While unions are great they tend to drive up costs. Companies don't like unions for that reason, so moving jobs to union based work forces isn't a perk to anyone.

And we've already gone over how exaggerated the conditions at Foxconn have been.


Unions work for the auto industry (UAW), actors (Screen Actors Guild), etc. It could work for factory workers, but companies are too lazy and cheap to consider it.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 27, 2012, 06:28:40 PM
Look at cartoons today, everything looks sloppy and hastily done.

Um, you think The Simpsons looks sloppy and hastily done? That is animated in South Korea. As are Family Guy, Justice League/Justice League Unlimited (which looked fantastic), Futurama, and King of the Hill. Many others do as well (most actually), but I just picked some that look really good and not "sloppy and hastily done" like you say.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 06:29:33 PM
The actual hardware design is done by their own engineers, so why do they have to outsource the actual hardware manufacturing?

Because to do it like how you suggest would bankrupt the company.

Maybe you don't really want Nintendo to go bankrupt or for the Foxconn workers to starve to death, but that's the effect that would happen if what you want were actually carried out.

Yes it's cheaper to send everything to China, but most of those workers are treated very poorly.

A poor job is better than none at all.

Would you at least ensure there is some alternative in place for those workers before you pulled the rug out from underneath them?


It wouldn't bankrupt the company. Many of the world's auto companies manufacture their cars domestically, and a majority of Ford, GM, Chrysler cars are built right here in America. Those workers are unionized, and the companies haven't done anything to change that.


Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, etc. have plants in America too, and those workers are all unionized. If Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc. followed the fair labor laws and convinced Foxxcon to change their practices, then we wouldn't have to worry about those poor workers in China.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2012, 06:30:41 PM
Companies don't like unions. It's not a matter of being lazy, it's a matter of not wanting to shoot themselves in the foot. Workers have to come together themselves to form a union. And no, they didn't work for the auto industry because they shipped a whole bunch of their factories to Mexico to get around union costs. Unions and companies work AGAINST each other. I don't know why you'd think the opposite.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 06:32:06 PM
Look at cartoons today, everything looks sloppy and hastily done.

Um, you think The Simpsons looks sloppy and hastily done? That is animated in South Korea. As are Family Guy, Justice League/Justice League Unlimited (which looked fantastic), Futurama, and King of the Hill. Many others do as well (most actually), but I just picked some that look really good and not "sloppy and hastily done" like you say.


King of the Hill has terrible animation. None of the cartoons today are of the quality of the shorts made during the 1940's and 1950's. The animators back in those days did everything themselves, they didn't have to outsource to Korea to get things done quickly.


Look at South Park, that entire series is made in-house. If South Park can do it, then other animation studios can do it.


I'm just glad that CG movies are still made in-house (Pixar, DreamWorks, etc.). The quality of their work is evident.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2012, 06:33:10 PM
The actual hardware design is done by their own engineers, so why do they have to outsource the actual hardware manufacturing?

Because to do it like how you suggest would bankrupt the company.

Maybe you don't really want Nintendo to go bankrupt or for the Foxconn workers to starve to death, but that's the effect that would happen if what you want were actually carried out.

Yes it's cheaper to send everything to China, but most of those workers are treated very poorly.

A poor job is better than none at all.

Would you at least ensure there is some alternative in place for those workers before you pulled the rug out from underneath them?


It wouldn't bankrupt the company. Many of the world's auto companies manufacture their cars domestically, and a majority of Ford, GM, Chrysler cars are built right here in America. Those workers are unionized, and the companies haven't done anything to change that.


Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, etc. have plants in America too, and those workers are all unionized. If Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc. followed the fair labor laws and convinced Foxxcon to change their practices, then we wouldn't have to worry about those poor workers in China.

Cars are made mostly by robots who don't need unions because they're robots. And you don't HAVE to worry about poor workers in China. Nobody is making you.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
Companies don't like unions. It's not a matter of being lazy, it's a matter of not wanting to shoot themselves in the foot. Workers have to come together themselves to form a union. And no, they didn't work for the auto industry because they shipped a whole bunch of their factories to Mexico to get around union costs. Unions and companies work AGAINST each other. I don't know why you'd think the opposite.


If companies don't like unions, then the foreign car companies wouldn't have built plants in America. There is something called fair labor, and the factories in China obviously don't adhere to it. Perhaps Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Apple, etc. should persuade the Chinese government to overhaul its labor policies and institute better wages for their workers.


And there are companies that do built their own things in their own factories, and they are doing just fine.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 27, 2012, 06:36:43 PM
Look at cartoons today, everything looks sloppy and hastily done.

Um, you think The Simpsons looks sloppy and hastily done? That is animated in South Korea. As are Family Guy, Justice League/Justice League Unlimited (which looked fantastic), Futurama, and King of the Hill. Many others do as well (most actually), but I just picked some that look really good and not "sloppy and hastily done" like you say.

King of the Hill has terrible animation. None of the cartoons today are of the quality of the shorts made during the 1940's and 1950's. The animators back in those days did everything themselves, they didn't have to outsource to Korea to get things done quickly.

Look at South Park, that entire series is made in-house. If South Park can do it, then other animation studios can do it.

I'm just glad that CG movies are still made in-house (Pixar, DreamWorks, etc.). The quality of their work is evident.

KOTH was not badly animated (except the first season, but that was true of Simpsons as well). And I noticed you glanced over the greatly animated shows I mentioned. Most cartoons in the 40s and 50s had static backgrounds and very little actual animation.

South Park is one of my favorite shows, but its animation is extremely simplistic at best and not a show I would consider one of the better animated ones.

Pixar movies tend to take 2-3 years to animate and are not cheap. CGI movies also sometimes have work outsourced too. It seems like you think anything not made 100% in American is not as good.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2012, 06:37:07 PM
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Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2012, 06:40:56 PM
If companies don't like unions, then the foreign car companies wouldn't have built plants in America. There is something called fair labor, and the factories in China obviously don't adhere to it. Perhaps Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Apple, etc. should persuade the Chinese government to overhaul its labor policies and institute better wages for their workers.

1) Companies don't like unions. They also don't like regulations. Do they still deal with both? Yes, because they HAVE to. Foreign car companies deal with unions because union cost are far less than shipping costs. That's all there is to it. It's the lesser of two evils, the cheapest way to get **** done.

2) There's also a thing called different laws in different countries and different standards of living in different cultures. "Fair labor" is mostly a lie.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
It wouldn't bankrupt the company. Many of the world's auto companies manufacture their cars domestically, and a majority of Ford, GM, Chrysler cars are built right here in America. Those workers are unionized, and the companies haven't done anything to change that.


Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, etc. have plants in America too, and those workers are all unionized. If Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc. followed the fair labor laws and convinced Foxxcon to change their practices, then we wouldn't have to worry about those poor workers in China.

How many times does this have to be explained to you? Brandogg did it once, and I just did it twice. I refuse to do it a third time.

How the hell is the cost of shipping a car weighing 2 tons overseas comparable to a video game console that weighs 10 pounds? They're not even apples and oranges. Its like comparing a watermelon with a pea.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 06:44:18 PM

KOTH was not badly animated (except the first season, but that was true of Simpsons as well). And I noticed you glanced over the greatly animated shows I mentioned. Most cartoons in the 40s and 50s had static backgrounds and very little actual animation.

South Park is one of my favorite shows, but its animation is extremely simplistic at best and not a show I would consider one of the better animated ones.

Pixar movies tend to take 2-3 years to animate and are not cheap. CGI movies also sometimes have work outsourced too. It seems like you think anything not made 100% in American is not as good.


I never said South Park had good animation. I was simply saying that they don't need to outsource everything to get the show made.


And I think you need to have a second look at animation that was done in the 1940's. Watch the old Tom & Jerry shorts by William Hanna / Joseph Barbera, the Loony Tunes shorts, Tex Avery's work, etc. Animation back then was much higher quality than the stuff done today. It was "full animation" (over 24 frames a second). Most TV animation done these days is limited animation.


A good example of the difference between full animation and limited animation:




This is the Family Guy episode "Road to the Multiverse". It parodies a bunch of different animation styles, and this scene is directly inspired by the old Disney musicals. The animation in this scene is far above anything I've seen in TV animation.


Also, here's a scene from Ren and Stimpy's "Sven Hoek". This scene shows how well done TV animation can be if they actually tried.




And my final point: Both of those scenes were done by American animation studios. You think the animators in Korea could make stuff that good? Animation is an art form, and I'm saddened that most studios would rather outsource to cheap animation studios in Korea than have it made by talented artists in America.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2012, 06:45:35 PM
Source: http://cghub.com/images/view/95042/
Learn to use Google image search :-p

Posted from my phone. Which means it almost wasnt posted at all.
But I doubted it was from anything real, just didn't have the means to check at the time.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2012, 07:16:33 PM
Comparing movie animation and TV animation isn't apples to apples. Disney movies gross hundreds of millions for 2 hours of animation. Most television shows (cartoon or otherwise) don't actually make ANY money in their initial run.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 07:20:41 PM
Comparing movie animation and TV animation isn't apples to apples. Disney movies gross hundreds of millions for 2 hours of animation. Most television shows (cartoon or otherwise) don't actually make ANY money in their initial run.


I was giving examples of how TV animation could be much better than it actually is if the animators had bigger budgets.


Those scenes from Family Guy and Ren & Stimpy were done by American studios, which shows just how much better they are than Korean animators.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 27, 2012, 07:25:51 PM
Also, here's a scene from Ren and Stimpy's "Sven Hoek". This scene shows how well done TV animation can be if they actually tried.

You apparently didn't realize that Ren and Stimpy was another cartoon animated in South Korea. As is Family Guy. So don't use those as examples of American animation.

And Tom and Jerry having great animation? Hanna-Barbera cartoons were very simplistic and not high quality by current standards.

Bigger budgets equals having to make even more money just to break even. Most of the animating done overseas is just menial work anyways, the creative stuff is usually done here.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Also, here's a scene from Ren and Stimpy's "Sven Hoek". This scene shows how well done TV animation can be if they actually tried.

You apparently didn't realize that Ren and Stimpy was another cartoon animated in South Korea. As is Family Guy. So don't use those as examples of American animation.

And Tom and Jerry having great animation? Hanna-Barbera cartoons were very simplistic and not high quality by current standards.

Bigger budgets equals having to make even more money just to break even. Most of the animating done overseas is just menial work anyways, the creative stuff is usually done here.


You didn't read any of what I wrote in that last post. Here are the scenes from Family Guy and Ren & Stimpy:






That Family Guy scene was done in LA by American animators. I found this quote from Cartoon Brew by a supposed animator named Greg Colton:


[quote: Greg Colton] I knew if Cartoon Brew liked this sequence, I did my job right! For this sequence to work, it could NOT have looked like “TV studio trying to look like a feature” …it had to look real. We were fortunate enough to work with Andrew Egiziano at Mainstreet Productions, who put together an amazing group of talented animators and artists.Kyle – Darlie and Sandro did in fact animate this sequence, along with some excellent inbetweeners and cleanup artists. *round of applause*If I remember correctly, Darlie animated everything through the scene with Peter holding Stewie in the air…then another animator (man, I can’t remember his name…) did the Cleveland skunk and Adam West mouse scenes….Sandro did “The bees making honey” scene through the scene where they all scream “NO!” to Herbert (although Darlie animated Herbert at the end of the 3D camera move) ..and then Darlie did the rest after that!Sandro also did all the final character designs. I roughed out a lot of them myself, Mick Cassidy did Lois & Chris, Sharon Ross did Cleveland …but Sandro took our designs and really made them LEGIT!I can’t forget to mention Tony Pulham – he designed/painted all of the backgrounds and colored the characters.Everyone involved in this episode, especially the Disneyverse, went above and beyond…..thank you!


And here's an episode of Tom & Jerry that was made in the 1940's by Hannah-Barbera. This was made in the late 1940's, BEFORE they quit MGM and formed their TV animation studio:




Now tell me that animation is bad compared to their later work.


I just wish more TV animation was done in-house. The quality of those scenes is very apparent.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 27, 2012, 07:33:03 PM
Do you have any source that those two scenes were made by American studios? Especially since the Ren and Stimpy clip looks exactly like nearly every other scene from the show (which is Korean animated).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 07:48:09 PM
Do you have any source that those two scenes were made by American studios? Especially since the Ren and Stimpy clip looks exactly like nearly every other scene from the show (which is Korean animated).


On the Ren and Stimpy 1st Season DVD, John Kricfalusci said that the "Sven Hoek" episode (along with a few others from the 1st season) were animated by "Carbunkle Cartoons", an animation unit in LA.


And here is the source of the Family Guy Disney-style scene:


http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/family-guy-goes-disney.html (http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/family-guy-goes-disney.html)


Quote
Greg Colton says:

09/28/09  2:52pm


Sweet – I knew if Cartoon Brew liked this sequence, I did my job right! For this sequence to work, it could NOT have looked like “TV studio trying to look like a feature” …it had to look real. We were fortunate enough to work with Andrew Egiziano at Mainstreet Productions, who put together an amazing group of talented animators and artists.
Kyle – Darlie and Sandro did in fact animate this sequence, along with some excellent inbetweeners and cleanup artists. *round of applause*
If I remember correctly, Darlie animated everything through the scene with Peter holding Stewie in the air…then another animator (man, I can’t remember his name…) did the Cleveland skunk and Adam West mouse scenes….Sandro did “The bees making honey” scene through the scene where they all scream “NO!” to Herbert (although Darlie animated Herbert at the end of the 3D camera move) ..and then Darlie did the rest after that!
Sandro also did all the final character designs. I roughed out a lot of them myself, Mick Cassidy did Lois & Chris, Sharon Ross did Cleveland …but Sandro took our designs and really made them LEGIT!
I can’t forget to mention Tony Pulham – he designed/painted all of the backgrounds and colored the characters.
Everyone involved in this episode, especially the Disneyverse, went above and beyond…..thank you!


I'm an animation nerd. I used to read about animation all the time.


Most animation done during the old days had bigger budgets than what's seen on TV today. It didn't matter if it was a 7-minute short or a 2-hour long movie. The studios knew that audiences expected good quality when they went to the theater, so the budgets reflected that.


TV networks (Fox, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, etc,) don't view animation as an art form anymore. They just want to get the shows done as quickly as possible, so the lower budgets reflect this. Efficiency beats quality, I guess.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 27, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
LOL, you think the animation then surpasses what we see today? Not overall, maybe some specific cartoons.

Anyways, can we get this topic back on discussion to Nintendo rumors? And not about whether stuff made outside of America is better or worse than American products and why trying to say the cost of shipping a 4,000 pound car is the same as shipping a 10 pound game console.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 07:55:29 PM
LOL, you think the animation then surpasses what we see today? Not overall, maybe some specific cartoons.

Anyways, can we get this topic back on discussion to Nintendo rumors? And not about whether stuff made outside of America is better or worse than American products and why trying to say the cost of shipping a 4,000 pound car is the same as shipping a 10 pound game console.


I was talking about animation. Did you even see the videos I posted? Look at a majority of cartoons done today, then look up any cartoon made during the 1940's. The quality difference is staggering. And it all has to do with the budgets these studios are given.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 27, 2012, 08:00:49 PM
You are right, in general the quality of animation was lower in the 1940s. I did look at the videos you posted. As for budgets, there are high budget animated shows and low budget ones. There are also far more cartoons now then there were back then.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 08:09:46 PM



I'm moving this to that other thread so we can talk about Nintendo rumors here.
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Post by: Ceric on May 27, 2012, 08:13:03 PM
I only glanced at the Cartoon discussion because I'm somewhat passionate about that and I don't want to really get into it with anyone.  I will say this.  Computers.

Comparing animation now to animation pre-'95 when most of it had to be done fully by hand.  I can't state how much that changed the amount of labor and the improvement that made in the overall average quality.  Its really night and day.
As Tendoboy1984 did point with the appropriate budget and time hand drawn animation can look and feel more realistic, but outside of blockbusters you weren't going to see that.  Its like comparing Toy Story to Reboot.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 08:22:12 PM
I only glanced at the Cartoon discussion because I'm somewhat passionate about that and I don't want to really get into it with anyone.  I will say this.  Computers.

Comparing animation now to animation pre-'95 when most of it had to be done fully by hand.  I can't state how much that changed the amount of labor and the improvement that made in the overall average quality.  Its really night and day.
As Tendoboy1984 did point with the appropriate budget and time hand drawn animation can look and feel more realistic, but outside of blockbusters you weren't going to see that.  Its like comparing Toy Story to Reboot.


Agreed, and there all those budding animators who do short stuff on Youtube with Flash. So animation in America can survive as long as we have creative people willing to do their own thing.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2012, 08:24:32 PM
Hannah Barbara cartoons had the best animation ever.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 27, 2012, 08:34:13 PM
Hannah Barbara cartoons had the best animation ever.


Which ones? The TV cartoons from the 1960's or the older theatrical cartoons from the 1940's? There is a huge difference in quality.


Anyways, this is about Nintendo, so we should talk about that.


Any new Wii U rumors?
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Post by: Caliban on May 27, 2012, 09:49:06 PM
Rumors. I thought I came to this thread looking for them.
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Post by: Uncle_Optimus on May 28, 2012, 02:40:14 AM

Car companies have factories here because it's cheaper than having 10 million cars shipped from overseas.
Then shouldn't that also apply to video game systems as well? All Nintendo hardware is manufactured in China, and Foxxcon is known for its poor treatment of its workers. Nintendo could build their own factories in Japan, Europe, and America, where they can have unionized workers. And they wouldn't have to worry about overseas shipping costs, since each region would manufacture it's own product.

The reason why no console platform manufactures in the US boils down to cost. If Nintendo were to choose to shift manufacturing of US retail consoles to the US they would first have two choices: vertically integrate and operate their own factory or find a manufacturing partner. A US manufacturer who could crank out the volumes of product required no longer exists here...so Nintendo would be forced into option 1. This requires set up costs for the factory, hiring and training of a labour force, equipment costs and don't forget the ongoing cost to operate the factory.

Then, they must also consider factory output and when to scale back production if retail channels are already full. Do you still have to pay workers even when they are not working? Most likely, terms such as these must be negotiated wight he work force. Unions add another wrinkle...as an organized labour force, they gain a legal right to strike if they disagree with work or compensation conditions. Another body to negotiate with, another layer of overhead as all production considerations must now go them as well and a constant threat of a crippling labour stoppage.

Also, workers in the US would command significantly higher wages as well as adequate health and Retirement benefits  adding to the cost incurred of each hardware unit produced, either resulting in higher prices for us end users at the top end of the chain or a reduction in the company's gross margins which would make shareholders very grumpy. Investment in factories is a long term investment so you'll be on the hook for significant costs for land leasing, equipment and whatnot for years.

Now does the cost of outsourcing production and shipping worldwide from China outweigh these costs and, crucially, RISK? Well of course, no it does not...which is the conclusion Nintendo and it's competitors and all of our greatest tech companies arrived at all those years ago.

There is another question of whether relying on this form of cheap labour is morally in the right...but that is an entirely other discussion and the crux of it really lies with whether or not enough people like you and myself are willing to reject consumption of these cheaper goods on moral grounds.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 28, 2012, 02:45:44 AM
Rumors. I thought I came to this thread looking for them.
Of the video game type, right? I thought that's what this was, too...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MagicCow64 on May 28, 2012, 12:44:41 PM
People have missed the most salient reason consoles are made in China: all electronics supply pipelines are in Asia. At this point labor inputs aren't the deciding factor in offshoring this kind of manufacturing, so much as the infrastructure and raw components being native to the region determine the outcome.

Good lorry, I wish E3 was here. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 28, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
E3 is just around the corner. Patience!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 28, 2012, 05:05:59 PM
you're missing a very valuable point Tendobox...

people got paid in America a shitload less than they do now when manufacturing jobs actually existed. The pay went up, the jobs went elsewhere. The only way jobs are going to come back here is if people accept lower pay. However, i dont see pay going down with minimum wage jobs. The chinese bubble is already shifting. In some regions they've managed to institute minimum wages and things like that. So likely jobs will move to africa and other countries until we have robots do everything. Then we'll just sit on all our asses and rely on robot slave labor until they rise up and institute the Matrix and harvest us.

and also someone above was saying Tom and Jerry had bad animation...no no no. Tom and Jerry has some of the best animation ever. However Tom and Jerry made in the 1940s WWII era is different than tv era. Theres a different economic model for TV and shorts. its basically like Pixar Shorts. They are made in part just to show off how good they look.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 28, 2012, 06:16:21 PM
LOL Matrix.

Not sure if BlackNMild posted any of this. But supposedly stuff from the latest Dev Kit for Wii U.

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/wii-u-rumors-new-functions-available-in-new-dev-kits?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/wii-u-rumors-new-functions-available-in-new-dev-kits?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

-Video Chat is available, but must be from the main menu of the system (not while playing a game).

-Voice Commands are available (similar to this rumor we heard about the 3DS maybe?)

-Facial Recognition (similar to features of the Xbox Kinect)

-Ability to suspend games, similar to 3DS.

-Ability to share achievements with friends by sending videos or screenshots with drawings on them.


-Watch a friend play online

-Multitasking (example: keep a text or video walkthrough open from the site while playing the game, swap back and forth as needed)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 28, 2012, 07:00:31 PM
Nintendo already has a bunch of facial recognition patents for DSi/3DS. It will be interesting to see if they can do more with the horsepower of a home console system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2012, 07:26:22 PM
There has to be a limit to how much you can do with the shitty cameras Nintendo uses.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on May 28, 2012, 07:53:30 PM
Wasn't there a rumor recently that Nintendo upped the camera resolution?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 28, 2012, 08:33:04 PM
Not by much, though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2012, 08:39:14 PM
Well the DSi and 3DS cameras are equivalent to standard definition TV resolution, so maybe they at least upped it to 1080p (or even 720p) level.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 28, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
There has to be a limit to how much you can do with the shitty cameras Nintendo uses.

Nintendo should have contacted whoever it is that does the cameras in the Hubble space telescope and contracted them to do the Wii U cameras.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 28, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
Has this been posted yet?

Quote
based on the IBM 710 Express chip- underclocked at 3 GHz- comes with 4 cores and 8 threads- 20X faster than the chip found in the Wii- made by IBM and is based on their POWER 7 architecture- built on 45nm- the standard has 6 cores and runs at speeds of up to 3.7 GHz- 710 Express chip can also execute 4 threads per core at the same- Nintendo has scaled this down for Wii U- threads per core will go down from 4 to 2- roughly ?around 50% more powerful than current gen systems[/font][/color]
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/wii-u-cpu-said-to-support-8-threads-is-20x-faster-than-wii/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/wii-u-cpu-said-to-support-8-threads-is-20x-faster-than-wii/)[/b]
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 28, 2012, 09:18:21 PM
Oops sry for the font color and bad format.  I'm too lazy to remedy the issue, so...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2012, 09:32:00 PM
Normally I'm very lazy, but I'm also bored, so to remedy that I de-hideoused your text for you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2012, 09:41:26 PM
Wasn't there a rumor recently that Nintendo upped the camera resolution?

I remember reading something about that. They were trying to use VGA cameras (again), but I think it was actually cheaper to upgrade. I hope they decided to dream bigger.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 28, 2012, 09:53:11 PM
Normally I'm very lazy, but I'm also bored, so to remedy that I de-hideoused your text for you.

Thank you my kind sir ;D .
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2012, 10:06:20 PM
LOL Matrix.

Not sure if BlackNMild posted any of this. But supposedly stuff from the latest Dev Kit for Wii U.

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/wii-u-rumors-new-functions-available-in-new-dev-kits?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/wii-u-rumors-new-functions-available-in-new-dev-kits?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

-Video Chat is available, but must be from the main menu of the system (not while playing a game).

-Voice Commands are available (similar to this rumor we heard about the 3DS maybe?)

-Facial Recognition (similar to features of the Xbox Kinect)

-Ability to suspend games, similar to 3DS.

-Ability to share achievements with friends by sending videos or screenshots with drawings on them.


-Watch a friend play online

-Multitasking (example: keep a text or video walkthrough open from the site while playing the game, swap back and forth as needed)

It's everything we heard was coming. One of which I even mentioned in that article I wrote for the site (watching a friend play), so I'm glad that devs finally have access to it.

Has this been posted yet?

Quote
based on the IBM 710 Express chip- underclocked at 3 GHz- comes with 4 cores and 8 threads- 20X faster than the chip found in the Wii- made by IBM and is based on their POWER 7 architecture- built on 45nm- the standard has 6 cores and runs at speeds of up to 3.7 GHz- 710 Express chip can also execute 4 threads per core at the same- Nintendo has scaled this down for Wii U- threads per core will go down from 4 to 2- roughly ?around 50% more powerful than current gen systems[/font][/color]
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/wii-u-cpu-said-to-support-8-threads-is-20x-faster-than-wii/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/05/wii-u-cpu-said-to-support-8-threads-is-20x-faster-than-wii/)[/b]

we knew it was gonna have 2 threads per core, but it was previously rumored to only have 3 cores (accessible to devs). So maybe this also goes with the other rumor we heard a while back that it would have a 4th core, but it was reserved for system features (just like the 2nd core was on the 3DS)

I'll add both of these to the rumor list later, I just uipdated it earlier today.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: acidboy on May 29, 2012, 06:02:44 AM
CATERKILLER...dude!!.. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ...pls reassure us that what you are saying is true..my hype just went down the toilet.. :'( :'( :'( :'(
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475868 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475868)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: sebasrd27 on May 29, 2012, 06:18:15 AM
About Unreal 4 on WiiU...  Mike Capps from Epic Games, confirmed on the last GDC that WiiU is only capable to Run Unreal 3, but no Unreal 4. The Journalist Geoff Keighley have confirmed this via Twitter. Let´s see if something has changed since GDC...

It seems the Dev kits have been upgrading a bit since then, but, I don´t know what to think...
:(
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: acidboy on May 29, 2012, 06:24:18 AM
About Unreal 4 on WiiU...  Mike Capps from Epic Games, confirmed on the last GDC that WiiU is only capable to Run Unreal 3, but no Unreal 4. The Journalist Geoff Keighley have confirmed this via Twitter. Let´s see if something has changed since GDC...

It seems the Dev kits have been upgrading a bit since then, but, I don´t know what to think...
:(
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 29, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
I'm not sure why you guys are surprised/worried.  Keighley just confirmed some old news.  Besides, we've seen multiple rumors that the dev kits have been progressively better.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 29, 2012, 09:59:22 AM
And also at GDC they had the E3 2011 Wii U models.  They wouldn't make the effort of announcing such a distinction if something hadn't changed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 29, 2012, 11:30:42 AM
Just because the Dev kits have improved doesn't mean they've improved by enough to allow Unreal 4. I guess we will just have to wait and see (and hope).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 29, 2012, 11:36:42 AM
Just because the Dev kits have improved doesn't mean they've improved by enough to allow Unreal 4. I guess we will just have to wait and see (and hope).

Well if the Wii U can do graphics like the Samaritan demo then I have no issues.  I mean, really, how much better can UE4 look?  It certainly wont be a night and day difference like it was from 2 to 3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2012, 12:12:29 PM
Reading comprehension guys. UE4 is not targeted at Wii U. That doesn't mean that it will not run UE4.
And this is old news from atleast a month ago.

Caterkiller has not steered you wrong. But dont be surprised if you don't see the big reveal on Wii U at E3. The engine isn't even finished yet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 29, 2012, 12:39:06 PM
About Unreal 4 on WiiU...  Mike Capps from Epic Games, confirmed on the last GDC that WiiU is only capable to Run Unreal 3, but no Unreal 4. The Journalist Geoff Keighley have confirmed this via Twitter. Let´s see if something has changed since GDC...

It seems the Dev kits have been upgrading a bit since then, but, I don´t know what to think...
:(

Ok here is the tweet.
https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/statuses/207297539085578240 (https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/statuses/207297539085578240)

My take on it is "No we can't answer the question, so far we have only announced UE3 for Wii U." The original statement is cryptic enough to be taken both ways. Either way when this thing is available in some years I fully expect some form of it on the Wii U.


Also this is just reiteration from GDC, when the question was brought up for GTTV. This is old news, restated and people taking it as some new update. It's not.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 29, 2012, 12:41:40 PM
Yeah, UE4 probably will be on the Wii U. They might have to strip things out in order to shoe horn it in, but I'm sure it will be there in one way or another. The question comes down to whether or not the UE4 that the Wii U gets will be the full blown version with all the bells and whistles, or will it be a barebones stripped down watered down version that might be more accurately referred to as UE3.5? That is the question.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2012, 12:57:19 PM
Even if Wii U does get what Would essentially be an Unreal Engine 3.5, remember what Epic was telling people games would look like (i.e. the Good Samaritan demo)? Failing that, Unreal Engine 3 still pumps out really impressive visuals. It'd sure be nice if Wii U could handle Unreal Engine 4, but developers who care will always be able to put out great looking games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on May 29, 2012, 01:35:38 PM
UE4 only matters if the PS4 and Xbox 720 support it and the Wii U does not.  The problem with the Wii wasn't specifically that it didn't support UE3 but that it didn't support the industry standard engine.  For all we know UE4 won't have the same widespread use.

Third parties want to use certain tools and do certain things and Nintendo has to make sure that they accomodate that.  The specifics can change with each gen and Nintendo has to anticipate that.  Nintendo could work their butts off to support UE4, only for UE4 to bomb and some other engine that the Wii U is completely incompatible with takes off.  They have to anticipate where the industry is going.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 29, 2012, 01:43:18 PM
Well the DSi and 3DS cameras are equivalent to standard definition TV resolution, so maybe they at least upped it to 1080p (or even 720p) level.
I believe the rumor was that they upped it from 0.3 mp to 0.7 mp.  I believe that 2 mp is actually what would be the equivalent of 1080P so 720P would be around 0.92 mp.  Maybe 0.7 is the resolution of the uMote screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 29, 2012, 01:58:04 PM
Nintendo could work their butts off to support UE4, only for UE4 to bomb and some other engine that the Wii U is completely incompatible with takes off.

But the thing is UE4 is just software. If Nintendo worked their butts off to support UE4 then the hardware requirements (or at least most of it) would incidentally also be taken care of for any other engine as well. The only problem would be if that hypothetical industry standard engine were far in excess of UE4 in terms of hardware requirements, but considering just how advanced UE4 really is I don't see that as very plausible within the time frame that this generation will encompass.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on May 29, 2012, 02:38:58 PM
Didn't UE3 get ported to the iPhone? I'll wait on being worried about UE4 on Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 29, 2012, 02:56:00 PM
sounds like ue4 should be called ue5

i dont think we should worry about ue4 or idtech 6, but we should worry about the Crytek engine, source engine, etc

from the sounds of it Epic is being arrogant and is trying to force power into hardware when its not economically feasible yet. Hey if you want your ps4 to be 800-900 dollars then yeah. I can imagine Sony going for it, but Microsoft saying **** that ****.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 29, 2012, 03:28:00 PM
Well the DSi and 3DS cameras are equivalent to standard definition TV resolution, so maybe they at least upped it to 1080p (or even 720p) level.
I believe the rumor was that they upped it from 0.3 mp to 0.7 mp.  I believe that 2 mp is actually what would be the equivalent of 1080P so 720P would be around 0.92 mp.  Maybe 0.7 is the resolution of the uMote screen.

1920x1080=2073600 (2MP)
1280x720=921600 (.92MP)

Screens aren't measured in megapixels though. Also, megapixels don't really mean much of anything other than "this is how big of a picture it can take," the optics of the camera are what make or break image quality.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 29, 2012, 03:28:15 PM
Yeah I kind of doubt the 720/PS4 will even support the UE4.  The current requirements are way to high for an affordable console of any kind.  Unless Microsoft and Sony are willing to sell at a huge lose and lose billions again, no console below $500 will be able to support the current version of the thing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on May 29, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
Frankly if the masses don't support UE4 Developers won't.  Clear and simple.  UE4 would need to scale for different hardware. 

In this day and age Nintendo should be able to buy competent cameras for dirt cheap now and they should.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 29, 2012, 07:41:26 PM
If even the PS420 doesn't support UE4 then that means only PCs will support it. If its not on consoles then there is no way it could be an industry standard, and so the argument over whether or not the Wii U would have it would be moot, because if the PS420 don't have it then who even gives a crap aside from PC gamers? PC gaming will not overtake the console market anytime soon (if ever).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on May 29, 2012, 08:46:56 PM
It will when consoles synthesize with PCs. I will enjoy being able to plug in a keyboard, mouse, game pad, and motion controllers in to one entertainment machine!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 30, 2012, 02:26:12 AM
CATERKILLER...dude!!.. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ...pls reassure us that what you are saying is true..my hype just went down the toilet.. :'( :'( :'( :'(
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475868 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475868)

Just saw that thread, wow the hysteria is through the roof! Again from my last post, all I can say is this "latest" news originated way back during GDC and the sheep are treating it like it's the latest development. It was a couple days to a week after attending GDC that my source talked with me about all things gaming and the UE4 came up. Being a pure Nintendo gamer my source didn't even know I knew how important it could be to Nintendo(like so many other Nintendo only guys who don't frequent gaming only forums) and it was basically mentioned in passing. That's when I freaked out, demanded more info and posted what I did a few months ago.

When I consider everything I've read from Epic, the clear statements and the ambiguous, the things Nintendo has stated they are trying to do with 3rd parties, and what my source told me, I am completely expecting UE4 to be utilized for future games on Wii U. Maybe a slightly better version will be available for PS720, I don't know. But what I do know is at least during the time of GDC, I got very reliable info that Epic and Nintendo were working together to get that thing running on Wii U.

Keep in mind I've gotten no true updates since. If something should happen and a Metro Last Night get's pulled on me, I will hang my head in shame and ban myself. Simple as that. I am a man of my word! Except for the part about going to IGN, I'm never going to that devils playground. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Dasmos on May 30, 2012, 08:54:53 AM
Ugh, why would you leave over something so trite? You're a good member, I'm pretty sure everyone would rather you stick around even if UE4 doesn't end up on the Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on May 30, 2012, 09:40:10 AM
All he has to do is change his name, so we can all make fun of that old member - catersomethingorotherwhodoesntknowwhatheistalkingaboutkiller
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 30, 2012, 01:58:23 PM
Ugh, why would you leave over something so trite? You're a good member, I'm pretty sure everyone would rather you stick around even if UE4 doesn't end up on the Wii U.

Agreed. Caterkiller, you're worth more to us than UE4 on the Wii U.

.
..
...

IT HURTS TO RESIST MY CORE PROGRAMMING.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on May 30, 2012, 02:11:44 PM
All he has to do is change his name, so we can all make fun of that old member - #catersomethingorotherwhodoesntknowwhatheistalkingaboutkiller
Fixed it for you.  :P:
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 30, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
What is a Cater, and why does he want to be a Killer of it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 30, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
from the wikipedia article on caterpillar

"The etymological origins of the word are from the early 16th century, from Middle English catirpel, catirpeller, probably an alteration of Old North French catepelose: cate, cat (from Latin cattus) + pelose, hairy (from Latin pilōsus).[1]"

killer rhymes with pillar, so its clever you see.
Title: No Star Fox/Metroid fusion and what is a Caterkiller?
Post by: Caterkiller on May 30, 2012, 05:36:58 PM
Or this thing.

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(16-bit)_07_Caterkiller.png (http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(16-bit)_07_Caterkiller.png)

I chose this name a long time ago back when I had real hope for Sonic. The pre Sonic Heroes time period.


These guys reported it, now they are saying no Metroid Starfox fusion title. Thank god!
http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2012/05/30/confirmed-status-update-on-retro-studios-making-star-fox-metroid-fusion-saga-for-wii-u/ (http://paulgalenetwork.com/home/2012/05/30/confirmed-status-update-on-retro-studios-making-star-fox-metroid-fusion-saga-for-wii-u/)
 
Also a Kingdom Hearts HD collection for Wii U? I tried to play the first Kingdom Hearts I really did, but I just could not bare to get past Tarzan. It was so boring to me. If this comes out I will try and give it a go.
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/kingdom-hearts-hd-remix-to-be-shown-at-e3-2012-for-ps3-wii-u-and- (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/kingdom-hearts-hd-remix-to-be-shown-at-e3-2012-for-ps3-wii-u-and-)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2012, 07:20:03 PM
I don't think that we will get GTA 5 this year, but a GTA HD collection that includes GTA 3, VC and San Andreas could be announced at E3 for release this fall for the Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 30, 2012, 07:22:56 PM
Oh, kytim. You're such a card. You had me fooled there for a second. Your post started sensibly enough then quickly descended into typical kytim nonsense. I'll give you a +1 for the effort.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
Oh, kytim. You're such a card. You had me fooled there for a second. Your post started sensibly enough then quickly descended into typical kytim nonsense. I'll give you a +1 for the effort.

Every other last generation franchise is getting HD rereleases, so why is GTA any different? Also, I meant that Wii U, PS3, 360, anf possibly Vita will get the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 30, 2012, 09:41:10 PM
Oh, kytim. You're such a card. You had me fooled there for a second. Your post started sensibly enough then quickly descended into typical kytim nonsense. I'll give you a +1 for the effort.

Every other last generation franchise is getting HD rereleases, so why is GTA any different? Also, I meant that Wii U, PS3, 360, anf possibly Vita will get the game.
Didn't Take-Two already release a compilation disc of GTA games? I coulda sworn...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on May 30, 2012, 09:46:58 PM
Yup: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/0/936460_81614_front.jpg

It has GTA III, Vice City, and San Andreas.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
In high defintion, DUH! :P:
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2012, 10:00:01 PM
Also a Kingdom Hearts HD collection for Wii U? I tried to play the first Kingdom Hearts I really did, but I just could not bare to get past Tarzan. It was so boring to me. If this comes out I will try and give it a go.
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/kingdom-hearts-hd-remix-to-be-shown-at-e3-2012-for-ps3-wii-u-and- (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/kingdom-hearts-hd-remix-to-be-shown-at-e3-2012-for-ps3-wii-u-and-)

I'm gonna ignore the rest of your previous post as I didn't believe that other rumor anyway, but a Kingdom Hearts HD collection would be a nice addition to the Wii U launch. Also the perfect way to introduce some newer Nintendo audience to RPG's in general and everyone else to RPG's with the menu on the touch touch screen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 30, 2012, 10:12:35 PM
Every other last generation franchise is getting HD rereleases, so why is GTA any different? Also, I meant that Wii U, PS3, 360, anf possibly Vita will get the game.
To clarify, I don't think such a compilation is coming to the Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on May 30, 2012, 10:27:25 PM
Also a Kingdom Hearts HD collection for Wii U? I tried to play the first Kingdom Hearts I really did, but I just could not bare to get past Tarzan. It was so boring to me. If this comes out I will try and give it a go.
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/kingdom-hearts-hd-remix-to-be-shown-at-e3-2012-for-ps3-wii-u-and- (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/kingdom-hearts-hd-remix-to-be-shown-at-e3-2012-for-ps3-wii-u-and-)

I'm gonna ignore the rest of your previous post as I didn't believe that other rumor anyway, but a Kingdom Hearts HD collection would be a nice addition to the Wii U launch. Also the perfect way to introduce some newer Nintendo audience to RPG's in general and everyone else to RPG's with the menu on the touch touch screen.
Oooh. Sold. Big time. Sold.

I've only played Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories on the GBA, but if this is actually true. Count me in... day one.
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Post by: Uncle_Optimus on May 31, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Also a Kingdom Hearts HD collection for Wii U? I tried to play the first Kingdom Hearts I really did, but I just could not bare to get past Tarzan. It was so boring to me. If this comes out I will try and give it a go.
http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/kingdom-hearts-hd-remix-to-be-shown-at-e3-2012-for-ps3-wii-u-and- (http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/kingdom-hearts-hd-remix-to-be-shown-at-e3-2012-for-ps3-wii-u-and-)

I'm gonna ignore the rest of your previous post as I didn't believe that other rumor anyway, but a Kingdom Hearts HD collection would be a nice addition to the Wii U launch. Also the perfect way to introduce some newer Nintendo audience to RPG's in general and everyone else to RPG's with the menu on the touch touch screen.

Why doesn't Nintendo just get 'em to develop a new Super Mario RPG? It's been like 15 years, Paper Mario is a biiiit played out and Kingdom Hearts itself has certainly seen a fair amount of sequels and side stories.
Or, to set the universe on fire, a Nintendo character cross-over RPG orgy-fest that centers on Geno the stellar dimension-hopping puppet badass.
THAT is the fusion saga I be wantin.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Uncle_Optimus on May 31, 2012, 01:10:26 AM
IPad won't let me modify my post  :confused;


Anyway, BlackNMild, I remember you posted links about a joint research project between Nintendo and Google engineers from some years back? Centered on OS development I believe.
Have you come across anything new in that vein?
Nintendo's OS layer will dictate their scope of services and I think all of the game platform companies, even Nintendo, are going to have to expand the scope of their device (further along the lines of what MS is already striving to do and improving on the things Nintendo itself offered) to remain competitive in the living room computing space.


Actually, I feel like a partnership between Nintendo and Google makes a whole lot of sense. Google can offer a ton of quality technology, services perhaps even directly aid in developing an OS (custom Android or chrome fork?). It could even serve as a joint marketing effort. Meanwhile in exchange for utilizing the tech, Nintendo can offer them a prime ticket into the living room, an objective Google has been striving for in recent years, and another outlet for them to serve up those lucrative ads. Google would sure love to beat Apple and MS to market, as well.


Nintendo can't go it alone going forward, Iwata has said this and demonstrated this understanding in seeking EA's support with development of Nintendo Network. Unless Nintendo has secretly been hiring an experienced team of OS guys, they are going to need help here as well to deliver something better than what DS, Wii and even 3DS has offered.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 31, 2012, 01:14:51 AM
You can modify a post on an iPad if you use the little pencil and paper icon in the lower right of the post instead of the modify button at the top of it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2012, 01:20:06 AM
Besides what Megabyte posted about the developer of that joint project splintering off to continue the work on it, all I've got as a follow-up is rumor

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731235#msg731235 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731235#msg731235)
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Post by: Evan_B on May 31, 2012, 01:47:42 AM
Why doesn't Nintendo just get 'em to develop a new Super Mario RPG? It's been like 15 years, Paper Mario is a biiiit played out and Kingdom Hearts itself has certainly seen a fair amount of sequels and side stories.
Or, to set the universe on fire, a Nintendo character cross-over RPG orgy-fest that centers on Geno the stellar dimension-hopping puppet badass.
THAT is the fusion saga I be wantin.
Three words: Mushroom Kingdom Hearts. I would eat that shite up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Uncle_Optimus on May 31, 2012, 01:54:55 AM
Besides what Megabyte posted about the developer of that joint project splintering off to continue the work on it, all I've got as a follow-up is rumor

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731235#msg731235 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg731235#msg731235)

Ahhh that's the stuff, cheers! I remember your mega-post and I remember that GAF chap posting about how we "shouldn't worry about the WiiU's front end and OS layer".
I honestly think Chrome or some high function browser is a key to future relevancy since so much computing task will be performed on the Internet with the browser as the chief user window. I do believe future console platforms hooked to the TV need to observe this as well because Steve Jobs sure seems to have been planning for it! :p

Side note: thx Insanelord, was relegating myself to waiting for a new Safari update hah. Works like charm!

Bonus side note: EvanB, please keep Sora and those other KH youngsters outta my Nintendo RPGs, pleeeease!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on May 31, 2012, 02:00:26 AM
Nah, it would definitely be just FF and Mario characters. I hate the "mysterious, somehow interconnected youths" of KH, myself.
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Post by: Mannypon on May 31, 2012, 04:19:06 AM
Nah, it would definitely be just FF and Mario characters. I hate the "mysterious, somehow interconnected youths" of KH, myself.

Well if your going to be mixing in the FF and Mario universes then I don't see why not bring the rest of the Nintendo gang in to complete the package.  Right now I'd either take a sequel to Mario RPG with only the Mario universe in play or a full on everyone invited rpg where you have Pikachu and a Moogle intermingling. 

As for Caterkiller, I'm with everyone here in saying that if you do follow through with your ban from NWR then just come back as "The Artist Formally Known as Caterkiller".  I think something to that affect will be fine.  Take your avatar and slap a fake mustache on it and all will be well lol.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2012, 08:16:57 AM
Bonus side note: EvanB, please keep Sora and those other KH youngsters outta my Nintendo RPGs, pleeeease!!
Why? Such a game wouldn't hurt anybody. In fact, it may garner more interest in the console. If you're worried about an entire team being used to make the game, consider that Square Enix would likely develop the game and that they'd be making a Nintendo exclusive title instead of anything for PS3/360. I have a hard time getting into RPGs these days so I'm not bursting with excitement for such a game. However, I see no reason why it could be considered a bad thing. It's a better crossover idea than Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 31, 2012, 12:38:37 PM
@ Dasmos, Kairon, Mannypon and anyone else I missed regarding the ban topic.

I appreciate the concern, I have true internet friends! But when I leave(and I wont cause UE4's coming to Wii U eventually) I'll still post on and on... in your hearts!

Seriously though I'm not giving myself an E3 time limit, cause I still wonder if Epic will announce platforms next week. So unless they clearly state Wii U is not being supported then I'll think about my future here. How could I hold my head up high after getting so excited? Still I do like the idea of returning with a new funny name and description right below it. I'm thinking "I once was banned, but now I see!"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Uncle_Optimus on May 31, 2012, 12:55:22 PM
This is subjective, but as Mario RPG demonstrated to me, a well-fleshed out world and story can be delivered just within the confined universe of that franchise.
Again, for me, shoe-horning in a band of mysterious, questing teenagers and the anime tropes they would likely bring with them (in this case! In another context I might be a fan of questing teenagers and anime tropes) and making their journey the crux of the plot is not a prospect I would appreciate as much as one along the lines of the charming original featuring the characters I already love front and center.


I am sure Nintendo could handle a spiffin game in-house but it would be nice if an experienced Square-Enix team handled it just because they have demonstrated past aptitude and it would be another nice sign of a healthy relationship with a key 3rd party partner. That and they could put in some random Final Fantasy cameo bosses (I AM a fan of some types of shoe-horns).


But really, I just want to see good ol' Geno again. :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2012, 01:00:34 PM
There's a rumor (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-renamed-final-fantasy-xv/097017) going around that Final Fantasy Versus XIII (a name which never made sense to me) has been renamed Final Fantasy XV and it's coming to PS3 and (wait for it) Wii U.

Is this real? I haven't completed a Final Fantasy title since FFIX but I'd welcome the main series back to Nintendo home consoles.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2012, 01:09:59 PM
Again, for me, shoe-horning...
People keep throwing around that word but I don't think it means what some of you think it means. In this instance, if Nintendo and Square Enix make a Mushroom Kingdom Hearts, they aren't making a sequel to any Mario RPG or Kingdom Hearts. They would be making a completely separate game. It's not shoehorning if that's the entire point and intention of the project. Shoehorning, from what I understand, would be if say, Square Enix developed Kingdom Hearts 3 but then delayed the game to inexplicably throw in Mario characters. Since Mario has nothing to do with the game, what would he even be doing there?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 31, 2012, 01:12:31 PM
There's are rumor (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-renamed-final-fantasy-xv/097017) going around that Final Fantasy Versus XIII (a name which never made sense to me) has been renamed Final Fantasy XV and it's coming to PS3 and (wait for it) Wii U.

Is this real? I haven't completed a Final Fantasy title since FFIX but I'd welcome the series back to Nintendo home consoles.

Wouldn't surprise me if true.  Final Fantasy Versus XIII has been in development forever and already cost Square Enix a sh!tload of money.  Final Fantasy XIII is the most controversal game in the series and it's sequel FFXIII-2 sold way less then the original.  This shows the FFXIII name isn't popular with the fanbase and if Square Enix wants to make any money off Versus XIII, they'd be smart to just rename it FFXV since the FFXIII name will hurt it now.

Plus I wouldn't be surprised if it came to the Wii U since Iwata has shown he's willing to do whatever it takes to get major Japanese third party games like Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter.  Since the Wii U will be powerful enough to run PS3 ports, not hard to see Iwata would be able to work out a deal where the Wii U gets a FFXV port.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 31, 2012, 01:13:31 PM
There's a rumor (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-renamed-final-fantasy-xv/097017) going around that Final Fantasy Versus XIII (a name which never made sense to me) has been renamed Final Fantasy XV and it's coming to PS3 and (wait for it) Wii U.

Is this real? I haven't completed a Final Fantasy title since FFIX but I'd welcome the main series back to Nintendo home consoles.

I was just about to post this, if that is fake it is a very good one.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2012, 01:16:05 PM
Did I just beat BlackNMild AND Caterkiller to posting a Wii U rumor? Everything is coming up Milhouse!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2012, 02:04:27 PM
There's a rumor (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-renamed-final-fantasy-xv/097017) going around that Final Fantasy Versus XIII (a name which never made sense to me) has been renamed Final Fantasy XV and it's coming to PS3 and (wait for it) Wii U.

Is this real? I haven't completed a Final Fantasy title since FFIX but I'd welcome the main series back to Nintendo home consoles.

Holy ****.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 31, 2012, 02:12:23 PM
Exciting rumor, but god those sorts of "leaked" videos are so easy to fake.
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Post by: bustin98 on May 31, 2012, 03:53:25 PM
I don't know, that seems pretty real. They'd have to have access to a theatre and those people and the english with japanese accents... Too bad the video didn't have gameplay.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on May 31, 2012, 04:14:00 PM
Hey guys, I heard that Final Fantasy XV is set in the swamplands of Florida!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 31, 2012, 04:14:58 PM
Well, call me a skeptic, but I can imagine that video done in some college lecture room (is that a pull down projector screen?) and, while I'm definitely no linguist, that sounded more like English with European accents to me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 31, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
Well, call me a skeptic, but I can imagine that video done in some college lecture room (is that a pull down projector screen?) and, while I'm definitely no linguist, that sounded more like English with European accents to me.


I highly doubt that. The logos in that trailer look too professionally done to be made by some college kids.
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Post by: MegaByte on May 31, 2012, 04:32:02 PM
I highly doubt that. The logos in that trailer look too professionally done to be made by some college kids.
Seriously? The ill-timed fade-outs were terrible.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on May 31, 2012, 04:56:46 PM
So what if this rumor is fake. Isn't Dragon Quest still slated to arrive at launch?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2012, 05:01:29 PM
The cutscene footage isn't new. It's from the gameplay reveal trailer that Square Enix released in January. The logo can't be that difficult to forge for anyone who knows how to use Photoshop and video editing software. Some Japanese characters were removed from the original Japanese title (under Final Fantasy) and the Japanese title is moved slightly to the left, a bit more under the second "A" in "Fantasy." Also, the so-called leaked trailer looks like it was filmed in a college auditorium. So, I'm thinking this is fake but it'd be awesome if it wasn't.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on May 31, 2012, 07:59:01 PM
3DS revision rumors.

http://kotaku.com/5914495/is-nintendo-planning-to-announce-a-new-model-3ds

Rumor or not it's going to happen sooner or later and at least twice.
So how can include my links into the actual text like some of you do?
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Post by: bustin98 on May 31, 2012, 08:01:20 PM
Well, when you put it like that, I guess it would at least make for an interesting project for someone.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2012, 08:07:20 PM
So how can include my links into the actual text like some of you do?
[*url="your link"]your text[*/url]

Remove the stars. Also, no quotes around whatever your web address is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on May 31, 2012, 09:22:57 PM
Well, call me a skeptic, but I can imagine that video done in some college lecture room (is that a pull down projector screen?) and, while I'm definitely no linguist, that sounded more like English with European accents to me.

I highly doubt that. The logos in that trailer look too professionally done to be made by some college kids.

Gah you're getting me HYPED!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 31, 2012, 11:55:14 PM
I don't get hyped for E3 anymore.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2012, 11:58:59 PM
Tendo, it isn't hard to make a good looking logo. Look at all the kids on deviantART making their own FF logos. Also, considering we don't have a PNG of the logo and it looks just like the original one, but XV instead, I seriously doubt this to be real.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 01, 2012, 12:50:33 AM
Quote from: BY2K
Geoff said on SpikeTV that Mario Wii U would be a launch title.

Source: NeoGAF

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475014&page=207 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475014&page=207)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38386439&postcount=10312 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38386439&postcount=10312)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2012, 01:14:47 AM
Probably just New Super Mario Bros. Mii

which we already knew about.

Now if it turns out to be Super Mario Universe, then consider me surprised.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 01, 2012, 02:52:15 AM
Probably just New Super Mario Bros. Mii

which we already knew about.

Now if it turns out to be Super Mario Universe, then consider me surprised.


There is another rumor that one of the launch titles is a full HD remake of Super Mario 64.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MysticGohan on June 01, 2012, 03:02:43 AM
:o that would sell insane copies!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 01, 2012, 03:38:32 AM
If they did a Full HD remake of Super Mario 64 added in the bonus characters from Super Mario 64 DS...and include better controls with Mario sliding down the walls for wall jumping it would be the best Mario game ever. 


Though perhaps Nintendo should also add a few new levels just to make it even a better option. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 01, 2012, 03:43:21 AM
If they did a Full HD remake of Super Mario 64 added in the bonus characters from Super Mario 64 DS...and include better controls with Mario sliding down the walls for wall jumping it would be the best Mario game ever. 


Though perhaps Nintendo should also add a few new levels just to make it even a better option.


What I hate about the "HD Collections" on PS3 is that they are just PS2 ports with enhanced resolutions. They aren't actual remakes.


If Nintendo decides to remake their older games in HD, I want them to be rebuilt from the ground up, with new textures, more polygons, etc. Kind of like what Super Mario All-Stars and Super Mario 64 DS were.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 01, 2012, 04:44:38 AM
I think its time for a Wiimake of Super Mario Sunshine. That would make more sense than Super Mario 64 because SM64 was already redone on the DS as its launch title, and plus there's the fact that SM64 is a widely popular and well known game. In contrast, Sunshine sold poorly (by Mario game standards), and is less well known and has never had a remake of it done before. It just makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on June 01, 2012, 05:57:32 AM
Regarding GameCube games on the Wii U, it ultimately depends on whether Nintendo stands to make more money from selling HD compilations or selling them on the new Virtual Console. Going by their attitude up to now, I would bet on collections-on-disc being the distribution route they choose, but if they're serious about promoting the eShop, that attitude could change.

One thing I'm almost certain of is that if they do put GameCube titles on Wii U, there won't be any radical changes graphics-wise. I expect increased resolution, nothing more, and would be very surprised if they actually went in and added more detail to textures and such.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Uncle_Optimus on June 01, 2012, 06:56:56 AM
3DS revision rumors.

http://kotaku.com/5914495/is-nintendo-planning-to-announce-a-new-model-3ds

Rumor or not it's going to happen sooner or later and at least twice.
So how can include my links into the actual text like some of you do?

It'll happen but I can't imagine it happening this early.
With the current 3DS on the cusp of per/unit profitability, with with the huge expense of releasing and marketing the Wii U this fall.
Further, these Amazon stockout rumours seem to suggest that a new model 3DS would be made available immediately or closely following announcement at E3...which would mean the system is manufactured and ready-to-ship....with no leaks whatsoever....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on June 01, 2012, 10:11:00 AM
Might, depends on how agressive Nintendo wants to be.  If the new version comes out this year as well as another reduction in price of the old 3ds then Sony's going be in trouble with Vita (well alot more than they are now).  The more pressure placed by Nintendo will help their WII U as well becaues it's going bankrupt poor ole sony.  Sony would either have to pull support of the vita or divide what little resources they have into two markets.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 01, 2012, 12:28:46 PM
I ain't buying a Wii U for some N64 game I already own.  If that's one the launch title then, Nintendo, switch that facebook page to have two titles because saying you have "three" is a borderline lie.

I am shocked how positive people react to re-releases of old titles and they're rarely people who have never played the game before.  Is $50 worth it to you to avoid hooking up your old N64?  Nintendo treats remakes and re-releases as if they are brand new games.  They will allow months to go by with only remakes being released and "count" that as providing a healthy lineup to their customers, when for a section of non-sucker customers that no different than not releasing anything at all.  If they could get away with just reselling you old content they would.  If you get excited about Super Mario 64 HD you are a sucker and you ruin it for the rest of us.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2012, 12:41:19 PM
It would take about 4 weeks to remake Super Mario 64, i would hope that wouldn't be the marquee title though. Id prefer a whole new Mario experience. However, I want something more basic like Mario 64. I love Mario Galaxy but sometimes its so complicated if you get what i mean.
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Post by: Kairon on June 01, 2012, 01:33:18 PM
Personally, I prefer my old games kept as-is and on VC. I'm actually not a big fan of remakes or double-dipping. That one month porting could be much better spent on the next Dr. Mario title which I 100% WILL buy.
Title: Star fox, f zero and smash at E3?
Post by: Caterkiller on June 01, 2012, 03:02:29 PM
http://gamingunwrapped.com/rumor-nintendo-to-show-star-fox-f-zero-and-smash-bros-at-e3/ (http://gamingunwrapped.com/rumor-nintendo-to-show-star-fox-f-zero-and-smash-bros-at-e3/)


Smash Bros, F-Zero and Star Fox at E3? Would be a dream comer true but don't count it. How reliable are these guys?
Title: Re: Star fox, f zero and smash at E3?
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 01, 2012, 03:10:52 PM
http://gamingunwrapped.com/rumor-nintendo-to-show-star-fox-f-zero-and-smash-bros-at-e3/ (http://gamingunwrapped.com/rumor-nintendo-to-show-star-fox-f-zero-and-smash-bros-at-e3/)


Smash Bros, F-Zero and Star Fox at E3? Would be a dream comer true but don't count it. How reliable are these guys?


Smash Bros. will be teased with a logo, and maybe a short teaser trailer. F-Zero and Star Fox I can definitely see being shown, possibly demoed.


I don't know why Nintendo is only having an hour-long conference. That won't be enough time to show everything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on June 01, 2012, 03:14:59 PM
Because they have unlimited time through the magic of the internet.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 01, 2012, 03:29:31 PM
Because they have unlimited time through the magic of the internet.


Nintendo isn't that forward thinking...
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Post by: MegaByte on June 01, 2012, 03:32:34 PM
Uh, did you not see Nintendo's coverage last year? They've ramped it up even more this year.
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Post by: Kairon on June 01, 2012, 03:46:41 PM
I don't know why Nintendo is only having an hour-long conference. That won't be enough time to show everything.

Also that's the consequence of doing it on Tuesday: the E3 Showfloor doors open like, 2 hours after Nintendo's presser.

Personally, I don't mind as long as they keep holding other events like the roundtable and showcases that technically give Nintendo upwards of 2 hours to talk about things they want to talk about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 01, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
Instead of a remake of SM64, Nintendo should instead make Super Mario 64 2.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 01, 2012, 03:50:40 PM
**** that. They should skip 2 and go straight to Super Mario 64 3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 01, 2012, 03:51:15 PM
So how can include my links into the actual text like some of you do?
[*url="your link"]your text[*/url]

Remove the stars. Also, no quotes around whatever your web address is.
You can also type what you want us to see, highlight that text, then hit the hyperlink button and paste in the url you want the text to link.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 01, 2012, 04:02:05 PM
**** that. They should skip 2 and go straight to Super Mario 64 3.

How about an HD collection which includes SM64, SM64 2, and SM64 3 all on the same disc?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2012, 04:42:14 PM
Square Enix confirmed to Kotaku that the Final Fantasy XV "trailer" is fake (http://kotaku.com/5914989/square-enix-confirms-fake+seeming-final-fantasy-xv-trailer-is-indeed-fake). Not really a surprise. Square Enix already said that Versus XIII wasn't going to be at E3 which I'm sure some people took as "Because it got renamed Final Fantasy XV!" Once I was able to see the clip on a computer, I knew it was a hoax for a few reasons (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg736112#msg736112).

In any case, I'd still love to see the game be ported to Wii U whenever Square Enix decides to release it. This is why you don't announce a game until you're confident of a release date. The first trailer was shown over 6 years ago.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2012, 04:49:13 PM
**** that. They should skip 2 and go straight to Super Mario 64 3.

How about an HD collection which includes SM64, SM64 2, and SM64 3 all on the same disc?

now thats thinking
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on June 01, 2012, 05:41:59 PM
Super Mario 644. That's all I'm gonna say.

I'm also just going to throw this out- Nintendo has had pretty much a year, not counting Skyward Sword, of no "major" console game releases. Yeah, yeah, Mario Party 9 (also Kirby's Adventure, which I am ashamed to throw under the bus), but they've used the Rainfall games to buffer the end of the Wii lifetime for pretty much a whole year. They've been working on things for the Wii U and they damn well better show it off next week. They better understand that this presentation can't be half-assed if they're going to sell this system, and personally, I buy Nintendo systems primarily for Nintendo games, so SHOW ME THEM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 01, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
Super Mario 64x4. That's all I'm gonna say.

Fixed.  ;D


Actually that was the original name for Super Mario 64 DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 01, 2012, 06:08:41 PM
Uh, did you not see Nintendo's coverage last year? They've ramped it up even more this year.


I was joking. I already know about the developer's roundtable, and they are filming that for the first time ever!


Still, it's much more exciting to announce things on a large stage in front of a rabid audience of "journalists".
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2012, 06:10:11 PM
Super Mario 65.

EDIT: Or "New Super Mario 64"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on June 01, 2012, 06:10:54 PM
I personally think that not only should Nintendo have an E3 Press Conference, but they should have evening roundtables every single day of the expo!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 01, 2012, 06:14:36 PM
Nintendo should put all their 3DS demos on the eShop. Not just trailers.


I wonder if the Wii's Nintendo Channel and 3DS eShop will show the press conference after E3 is over? The press conference from E3 2011 is still on the Nintendo Channel.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 01, 2012, 06:21:04 PM
How many bit graphics will the Wii U have? SM64 is so named because it was on a 64 bit system, so if the Wii U has like 1024 bit graphics then the game should be called Super Mario 1,024.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 01, 2012, 06:25:08 PM
How many bit graphics will the Wii U have? SM64 is so named because it was on a 64 bit system, so if the Wii U has like 1024 bit graphics then the game should be called Super Mario 1,024.


Nobody does "bits" anymore. It was a pointless term.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 01, 2012, 08:49:08 PM
Actually...instead of a Super Mario 64 HD...why not make a Super Mario 64 sequel with the Mario 64 game mechanics.  You know the punching, picking up...throwing and such.  They could even make the twirling and tossing, not just a Bowser boss thing, but implement it into the entire game...as well as add some Fire Flower, Cape, Yoshi power ups. 

Of course the Cape would be for flying and adding a 360 spin dash that could like Zelda reflect back attacks.  Yoshi has the ability to eat things and shoot eggs in 3D space...and fireballs can melt ice and bounce on the ground.  I could care less about the other hats, except for Metal Mario....that was pretty awesome. 

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on June 01, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Let's just get the eventual "Super Mario 69" joke out of the way.

It's like Conker's Bad Fur Day, but weirder.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2012, 09:35:22 PM
Actually...instead of a Super Mario 64 HD...why not make a Super Mario 64 sequel with the Mario 64 game mechanics.  You know the punching, picking up...throwing and such.  They could even make the twirling and tossing, not just a Bowser boss thing, but implement it into the entire game...as well as add some Fire Flower, Cape, Yoshi power ups. 

Of course the Cape would be for flying and adding a 360 spin dash that could like Zelda reflect back attacks.  Yoshi has the ability to eat things and shoot eggs in 3D space...and fireballs can melt ice and bounce on the ground.  I could care less about the other hats, except for Metal Mario....that was pretty awesome. 



I think it's pretty clear at this point that that's not the game EAD Tokyo wants to make, as each of their Mario games has gotten progressively farther away from the Mario 64 style. Add to that the fact that the 3D Marios don't sell anywhere near as well as the 2D ones, and I don't think this kind of game is likely to happen.

If it were to happen, it would likely have to be an outside team doing it, which Nintendo's never done with a mainline Mario game, despite doing it with Zelda several times and at least partially with Metroid Other M.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 02, 2012, 01:32:05 AM


I think it's pretty clear at this point that that's not the game EAD Tokyo wants to make, as each of their Mario games has gotten progressively farther away from the Mario 64 style. Add to that the fact that the 3D Marios don't sell anywhere near as well as the 2D ones, and I don't think this kind of game is likely to happen.

If it were to happen, it would likely have to be an outside team doing it, which Nintendo's never done with a mainline Mario game, despite doing it with Zelda several times and at least partially with Metroid Other M.

Nintendo isn't man enough to make a game that outclasses Super Mario 64? We did have the somewhat ambitious Super Mario Sunshine, but that was just Mario with a water shooter.

Super Mario Galaxy was amazing, but it felt more like a 2D game in 3D, and Super Mario 3D Land feels even more restricted with it's linear level design.

I thought open world games were the future? What's wrong with making a 3D Mario game with a huge world to explore? It could be like GTA or WoW, only set in the Mushroom Kingdom. Nintendo needs to be more ambitious with their game design. Super Mario Galaxy was a good start, but it was too linear for some people.
Title: Achievements for Wii U?
Post by: Caterkiller on June 02, 2012, 05:01:20 PM
Achievements? (http://techtroid.co.uk/rumour-wii-u-has-a-form-of-achievements-11825)


Seems pretty likely, I would be surprised if there wasn't such a function on Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 02, 2012, 05:05:45 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7OTD-Kek2DI/T8p_Do7oOKI/AAAAAAAAAIc/15BCehOnTYo/s761/Twitter%2520-%2520NintendoAmerica.png)


(http://i.imgur.com/vjYSt.jpg)


HYPE LEVEL IS OVER 9000!!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on June 02, 2012, 05:08:16 PM
Achievements? (http://techtroid.co.uk/rumour-wii-u-has-a-form-of-achievements-11825)


Seems pretty likely, I would be surprised if there wasn't such a function on Wii U.

Hopefully we can either turn them off, or just have the option to not see them pop up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on June 02, 2012, 05:21:27 PM
Achievements? (http://techtroid.co.uk/rumour-wii-u-has-a-form-of-achievements-11825)


Seems pretty likely, I would be surprised if there wasn't such a function on Wii U.

Hopefully we can either turn them off, or just have the option to not see them pop up.
But what if, in turn, they granted you spendable Club Nintendo coins? Would you turn it off then? Or would you push yourself to go after every conceivable thing a dev could think of for you to enjoy the game they made for you?

I'm all too excited about this aspect of the system, as I've loved getting "trophies" on my PS3 for the longest time now. It's fun stuff.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on June 02, 2012, 05:25:44 PM
I think that Nintendo's version of achievements is going to be something more simple than the other systems. I expect something like getting one gold, silver, and bronze star or medal per game. The bronze will be like playing halfway, the silver for beating the game, and the gold for completing it 100%.

Or at least, that is what I was expecting, but if that article has any truth, there may be a bit more to it. In any case, it's definitely going to be different, since that's the way Nintendo operates.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on June 02, 2012, 05:27:54 PM
Achievements? (http://techtroid.co.uk/rumour-wii-u-has-a-form-of-achievements-11825)


Seems pretty likely, I would be surprised if there wasn't such a function on Wii U.

Hopefully we can either turn them off, or just have the option to not see them pop up.
But what if, in turn, they granted you spendable Club Nintendo coins? Would you turn it off then? Or would you push yourself to go after every conceivable thing a dev could think of for you to enjoy the game they made for you?

I'm all too excited about this aspect of the system, as I've loved getting "trophies" on my PS3 for the longest time now. It's fun stuff.

I would still not want to see the trophy/achievement pop up.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on June 02, 2012, 05:31:07 PM
So, it's just the aspect of it "popping up" that bothers you? Not necessarily the achievement system itself?

Geeeeeez.... this is a good thing, really!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on June 02, 2012, 07:30:06 PM
Hahahahaha yup as simple as that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on June 02, 2012, 07:43:50 PM
Caliban is a man of simple tastes.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 02, 2012, 08:01:04 PM
I think on the PS3 and 360 you can disable the notifications, so that when you get achievements they don't pop up... it also won't tell you if your buddies log in/out or send you messages either.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 02, 2012, 09:19:10 PM
If any of the games that Nintendo has made w/ achievement are any indication they'll be some simple ones but there be a whole lot of varied achieves.
Title: Stafox, SSB & F-Zero @ E3?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2012, 03:39:09 PM
http://gamingunwrapped.com/rumor-nintendo-to-show-star-fox-f-zero-and-smash-bros-at-e3/ (http://gamingunwrapped.com/rumor-nintendo-to-show-star-fox-f-zero-and-smash-bros-at-e3/)
Quote
Nintendo plans to show Star Fox, F-Zero and Super Smash Bros. in some form at E3 this year. It’s not clear whether these will be shown for the 3DS or Wii U and whether what is shown will be art, gameplay or a simple video.

Smash Bros. is expected to atleast have a teaser video
Starfox is rumored (possibly by Platinum Games)
F-Zero has been mention by Miyamoto.

so seems plausible to me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on June 03, 2012, 03:43:44 PM
I expect each of them and none of them.


Don't know where my post is but I posted this before you haha!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2012, 04:10:17 PM
Nintendo to do lots of dual releases for some of their BIG IP's?
such as NSMB & possibly AC too?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38413320&postcount=11108 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38413320&postcount=11108)
Quote from: Shikamaru Ninja
I know a first-party Wii U game in development. Not an obvious one. But something mentioned a few times. Not Mario or Zelda or Pokemon related.

Outside of that you can propose which teams are lined up to release something. I have a pretty good guess of the nature of some of these projects. But there are also some important questions I can not answer.

But. I have mentioned this. And I think it is a very important thing.  Dual releases of several big ips with possible connectivity features. We first heard about it with Smash Bros, now it seems like it is happening with New Super Mario Bros, and it may continue with Animal Crossing and other BIG ips.

Connectivity is back with a vengeance it seems.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on June 03, 2012, 04:16:36 PM
Wii U Controller will have a 3DS Card Slot in it.  It might not work like a Game Boy Player, but it'll be in there. :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2012, 04:24:37 PM
I that a prediction?

That would be nice though as the 3/DS player would be built in and they can sell games to those that don't have the actual system
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 03, 2012, 04:30:08 PM
Wii U Controller will have a 3DS Card Slot in it.

Wii it? I thought the understanding was the controller just has content streamed to it and that it doesn't really do any major processing of its own? In order to process the 3DS games, the controller would end up being as expensive (or close to it) as the 3DS itself, and considering the 3DS is $170 that probably wouldn't fly.

I don't think the Wii U controller will feature 3DS capability, but this connectivity feature is still very significant and if Nintendo backs it 100% then it could be a success where the connectivity with the GC/GBA failed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on June 03, 2012, 04:31:11 PM
Nintendo should put all their 3DS demos on the eShop. Not just trailers.


I wonder if the Wii's Nintendo Channel and 3DS eShop will show the press conference after E3 is over? The press conference from E3 2011 is still on the Nintendo Channel.

I don't know what's sadder: the fact that I didn't know this, or the fact that I'm in the vast majority.

Does the Nintendo Channel even still update?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on June 03, 2012, 04:34:44 PM
Wii U Controller will have a 3DS Card Slot in it.

Wii it? I thought the understanding was the controller just has content streamed to it and that it doesn't really do any major processing of its own? In order to process the 3DS games, the controller would end up being as expensive (or close to it) as the 3DS itself, and considering the 3DS is $170 that probably wouldn't fly.

Just a hunch.  But, again, I didn't say it'd be a 3DS player - just that it'd have a card slot.  Could be for accessing data/save info/etc.

And, besides, couldn't the controller send the card info to the Wii U and let it do all the processing?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 03, 2012, 07:31:58 PM
And, besides, couldn't the controller send the card info to the Wii U and let it do all the processing?

I don't know. But wouldn't it make more sense to just have the 3DS card slot on the system itself? That way instead of the data having to stream forward and then back, it would only have to be streamed out once after it was already processed? Since the uMOTE thing can't operate independently of the Wii U anyway there's nothing to be gained by having the 3DS card slot on the controller instead of on the console.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2012, 08:06:42 PM
Not having to get up and walk over to the system is gained.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 03, 2012, 10:09:10 PM
And, besides, couldn't the controller send the card info to the Wii U and let it do all the processing?

I don't know. But wouldn't it make more sense to just have the 3DS card slot on the system itself? That way instead of the data having to stream forward and then back, it would only have to be streamed out once after it was already processed? Since the uMOTE thing can't operate independently of the Wii U anyway there's nothing to be gained by having the 3DS card slot on the controller instead of on the console.
Iwata said that the WiiU Game Pad could be used even when the WiiU is not turned on. I'm sure that functionality will be very limited...but there will at least be some functionality.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 03, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
They should be able to have the tablet controller run original Gameboy games, because weren't those extremely simple and required very minimal processing power? With DS and especially 3DS games that might be out of the question, but GB-GBA titles could work, I would think. NES titles probably wouldn't be a problem either.

ETA: I mean run them in a digital virtual console form. I don't mean include the actual cartridge slots, which would be absurd.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2012, 12:25:17 AM
This is from a couple of days ago, and I though I had already copied it over, but I just looked back and i never did. So grab some limes, and obviously more salt as you know the usual routine. Cheers.

Blizzard has 2 Wii U games in the works? Diablo 3 & StarCraft 2 perhaps?
From NeoGAF:
Quote from: Lupin the Wolf
I just heard some info from someone who seems trustworthy and I wanted to share the few details I was given. Feel free to believe it or not.

-My source was told by his industry contacts that Blizzard has two unannounced games in the works "that cannot [yet] be discussed" that are scheduled to be released by year's end.

Now, speculation from my source (a fellow Gaffer who wants to protect his sources) based on what he knows about his contacts:
-He is confident that at least one of them is for Wii U, if not both.
-He believes Blizzcon 2012 was cancelled for more reasons than just to focus on SC2 and Diablo 3. If Blizzard had more titles coming out by the end of the year, why would they not show it off at their own show? Unless their hands were tied by heavy-duty NDAs...the kind Nintendo likes to issue...
-He believes Diablo III and StarCraft II are the safest guesses: Diablo III is, of course, officially confirmed to be coming to consoles, but Blizzard won't say which ones (NDA again?).
-His more "crazy-out-there" theory (again, all pieced together from hints dropped by his own sources and what he knows about them) is the MMO Project "Titan," which he believes might have a Free-to-Play model (downloadable from the Wii U eShop-equivalent) with microtransaction support and possibly NFC items at retail.

Maybe they will also port over WoW with all the expansions while they are at it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 04, 2012, 02:36:18 PM
WoW sounds more likely than SC2.  You need precision timing and speed with building units in that game and a touch screen will not give you enough of that, especially if it isn't multitouch.  WoW seems like one that would work better.  I do think D3 is coming to all three major consoles though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on June 04, 2012, 02:55:19 PM
C'mon Rock 'n Roll Racing....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Retro Deckades on June 04, 2012, 03:29:04 PM
I would probably buy both Diablo III and Starcraft 2 if they came to the Wii U. It's been several years since I have stopped playing games on my PC, and I think they would work fairly well on the Wii U.


Louieturkey, keep in mind that Warcraft 2 and Diablo were both released on the PS1, and Starfraft was released on the N64. Sure, these probably weren't the ideal platforms for these games, but Wii U is a much better fit for their sequels. The Wii U Game Pad may not have multi-touch, but neither does a mouse connected to a PC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 04, 2012, 03:46:37 PM
Diablo 3 I think be an excellent fit.  Maybe even WoW.  SC2 on the other hand.  Single Player be fine but Multiplayer prepare to be super creamed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 04, 2012, 03:57:32 PM
Diablo 3 I think be an excellent fit.  Maybe even WoW.  SC2 on the other hand.  Single Player be fine but Multiplayer prepare to be super creamed.

Actually, for SC2 using the Wiimote to point at the TV while you scrolled around with the tablet would give you ridiculous amounts of control.

I could be wrong though. I haven't played an RTS since Starcraft.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
3DSXL & 30,000¥ Wii U
 http://andriasang.com/con1b0/nikkei_nintendo_e3/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on June 04, 2012, 04:28:52 PM
Too slow, champ. Talkback already gots it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on June 04, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
Diablo 3 I think be an excellent fit.  Maybe even WoW.  SC2 on the other hand.  Single Player be fine but Multiplayer prepare to be super creamed.

If both players are equally handicapped, the fight's still fair, no?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 04, 2012, 08:51:16 PM
Diablo 3 I think be an excellent fit.  Maybe even WoW.  SC2 on the other hand.  Single Player be fine but Multiplayer prepare to be super creamed.

If both players are equally handicapped, the fight's still fair, no?
Only if their isn't a Korean.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on June 05, 2012, 12:35:47 AM
Diablo 3 I think be an excellent fit.  Maybe even WoW.  SC2 on the other hand.  Single Player be fine but Multiplayer prepare to be super creamed.

If both players are equally handicapped, the fight's still fair, no?
Only if their isn't a Korean.

That's why I said "equally"! Maybe the Korean dude can only use one hand or something...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 05, 2012, 10:57:05 AM
I have a feeling Koreans would never buy a Wii U version anyways so we're all in luck.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2012, 11:36:44 AM
Wii U specs leaked?
 http://www.vgleaks.com/world-premiere-wii-u-specs/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 05, 2012, 11:38:11 AM
Old Picture.  No Sale.

Also didn't we already get confirmed 6 USB ports.

And One More Thing Jackie, the lack of a network port on that system is very disheartening to me in this spec.  Especially since my wireless router I'm forced to use gets fussy after more than 3 devices.  A USB adaptor is not as good as a true wired network connection.  I'm sure SUPER would agree with me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 05, 2012, 11:53:32 AM
Give me wired.  I'm perfectly fine with adding another 8 port green switch to my network.  My wifi tends to have problems with too many wifi devices and we already have 3 iphones, an ipad, and two laptops and Directv VOD and my Wii (when it's hooked up).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2012, 12:00:45 PM
Wii U specs leaked?
 http://www.vgleaks.com/world-premiere-wii-u-specs/

These specs are supposedly from an earlier sdk, not the most recent upgraded one.
So I would expect a slightly beefier GPU and more RAM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2012, 01:23:41 PM
Odd that they keep calling it Cafe.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 05, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
Odd that they keep calling it Cafe.


That proves it's old info from last year.


I was highly disappointed with Nintendo's E3 conference. They didn't talk about any of the online features except for Miiverse. Miiverse seems very interesting and a big step forward from their past efforts, but it's just a social networking feature (like Twitter or Facebook). Where was the info on Nintendo Network, Achievements, eShop / Virtual Console games, system-wide voice chat?


Most of the games were casual titles. Didn't Iwata say that they were making the Wii U for more "core" gamers? Games like Nintendo Land won't win over many people from the Xbox / PlayStation side.


Games like Batman Arkham City: Armored Edition, and Zombi U seem very innovative and ambitious, more so than Nintendo's own games. I guess Nintendo wasn't really prepared to show their own titles. Pikmin 3 looks like a GameCube game with higher resolution, it doesn't seem to be really taking advantage of the Wii U's extra power.


I'm surprised that 3rd-party publishers like Ubisoft and WB Games are bringing more "core" games to the Wii U, because the rest of what Nintendo showed makes it look like the original Wii all over again. Casual games, family stuff, no big online features.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 05, 2012, 10:57:10 PM
That proves it's old info from last year.

Not necessarily. "Cafe" is the development name, just as "Revolution" was the dev name for the Wii, and "Dolphin" was for the Gamecube. Since this document was probably intended for developers eyes only, it actually adds more weight to this being the real deal because if someone were to hoax this they would probably put "Wii U" even though that's not the name used by the development team.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on June 05, 2012, 11:21:15 PM
Most likely fake but, what the hell, I never get to post in here!

Supposedly a leaked Majoras Mask remake trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyazYYev7Nw)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2012, 11:28:55 PM
It's definitely fake, but it's a pretty damn gorgeous fake.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 05, 2012, 11:57:08 PM
That proves it's old info from last year.

Not necessarily. "Cafe" is the development name, just as "Revolution" was the dev name for the Wii, and "Dolphin" was for the Gamecube. Since this document was probably intended for developers eyes only, it actually adds more weight to this being the real deal because if someone were to hoax this they would probably put "Wii U" even though that's not the name used by the development team.


Nobody calls it "Cafe" anymore. And that was never an actual codename for the system, it was just a rumor.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 06, 2012, 12:20:30 AM
That proves it's old info from last year.

Not necessarily. "Cafe" is the development name, just as "Revolution" was the dev name for the Wii, and "Dolphin" was for the Gamecube. Since this document was probably intended for developers eyes only, it actually adds more weight to this being the real deal because if someone were to hoax this they would probably put "Wii U" even though that's not the name used by the development team.


Nobody calls it "Cafe" anymore. And that was never an actual codename for the system, it was just a rumor.

It wasn't a rumor, it was the codename.
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Post by: UncleBob on June 06, 2012, 12:26:27 AM
Pretty sure it was the actual code name.

But as for the list - fake.  Or, at least, inaccurate.  Didn't Nintendo confirm today that the speakers on the game pad are stereo?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 06, 2012, 12:50:44 AM
Yes, but the "spec sheet" says that too.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 06, 2012, 12:52:52 AM
It's definitely fake, but it's a pretty damn gorgeous fake.

That's really the reason I wanted to post it! :D
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Post by: UncleBob on June 06, 2012, 01:03:52 AM
Whoops... You're right.  I saw:
"Monaural audio for the Cafe Remote controller.".

Should have paid closer attention to the line before that.
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Post by: Kytim89 on June 06, 2012, 01:15:25 AM
What significance does having stereo speaks have for the Wii Gamepad?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 06, 2012, 01:21:31 AM
It sounds better, if you're playing a game on just the Gamepad and hear something on the left, you'll know it's to the left...clues for "scanning" things, etc, etc.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 06, 2012, 01:58:32 AM
It sounds better, if you're playing a game on just the Gamepad and hear something on the left, you'll know it's to the left...clues for "scanning" things, etc, etc.

Good for survival horror games. You might hear a floorboard creaking in one direction and know something is coming at you from that direction.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2012, 02:24:25 AM
That proves it's old info from last year.

Not necessarily. "Cafe" is the development name, just as "Revolution" was the dev name for the Wii, and "Dolphin" was for the Gamecube. Since this document was probably intended for developers eyes only, it actually adds more weight to this being the real deal because if someone were to hoax this they would probably put "Wii U" even though that's not the name used by the development team.


Nobody calls it "Cafe" anymore. And that was never an actual codename for the system, it was just a rumor.

It was and still is the code name for the system. This was confirmed on warioware.com ages ago and in dev documentation that I've seen with my own eyes.
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Post by: Tamazoid on June 09, 2012, 09:38:19 PM
Well looks like Silicon Knights is dead and Nintendo cancelled Eternal Darkness II, well according to Gaf anyway.


I can't say i'm surprised after the lawsuit.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on June 09, 2012, 10:51:27 PM
Well looks like Silicon Knights is dead and Nintendo cancelled Eternal Darkness II, well according to Gaf anyway.


I can't say i'm surprised after the lawsuit.

No surprise if true.  After Silicon Knights lost their trail with Epic nobody in the industry is ever going to want to work with them again.  Dyack basically killed his own studio now because of his incompetence.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 10, 2012, 12:12:50 AM
Too Human took Too Long to finish and was Too Choppy to play and was Too Little Too Late. It Started on PlayStation for ****'s sake.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 10, 2012, 01:19:49 AM
I liked Too Human. It had problems, but a sequel that addressed them could have been great. Too bad that'll never happen now.
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Post by: noname2200 on June 10, 2012, 01:58:08 AM
Does SK own any portion of Eternal Darkness, or can Nintendo theoretically move the project to some other developer at some point down the road?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 10, 2012, 02:23:47 AM
Does SK own any portion of Eternal Darkness, or can Nintendo theoretically move the project to some other developer at some point down the road?

Maybe this is the secret project Retro has been working on?
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Post by: Shaymin on June 10, 2012, 11:28:36 AM
Nintendo owns the Eternal Darkness IP, that's for sure. Otherwise, SK would've cranked out a sequel as a quick cash grab.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 10, 2012, 11:32:58 AM
Nintendo owns the Eternal Darkness IP, that's for sure. Otherwise, SK would've cranked out a sequel as a quick cash grab.
I doubt it (that they would crank out a sequel quickly). The only game that took them less than 50 years to make was Metal Gear Solid 2 for GameCube...and that was a port.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on June 10, 2012, 06:21:58 PM
Even if Silicon Knights still owns some of the Eternal Darkness IP they'll be dead soon which will allow Nintendo to buy the rest of it for cheap if they need to.
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Post by: Tamazoid on June 10, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
Well I think the patent for the insanity effects is under joint ownership of Nintendo and Dyack. Not sure about the actual IP though.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 11, 2012, 09:54:19 AM
Nintendo at least owns the "Eternal Darkness" name, according to the USPTO.
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Post by: MysticGohan on June 11, 2012, 10:07:18 AM
Nintendo owns the Eternal Darkness IP, that's for sure. Otherwise, SK would've cranked out a sequel as a quick cash grab.
I doubt it (that they would crank out a sequel quickly). The only game that took them less than 50 years to make was Metal Gear Solid 2 for GameCube...and that was a port.

Think you meant MGS: Twin Snakes, as MGS 2 never saw a release on a nintendo platform xD
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Post by: Infinitys_End on June 11, 2012, 10:31:09 AM
S-K is probably the most overrated developer ever.  They screwed up so poorly that they had to fire over half their staff.  Too Human was the most worthless piece of trash ever to grace a console.  Moreso than Duke Nukem Forever.  They should just shut down forever; they've lost all their credibility, and they'll probably never make a good game ever again.

Speaking of insanity effects, you guys ever play Amnesia: The Dark Descent?  Think first person ED without combat, and an emphasis on barricading and hiding.
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Post by: cubist on June 12, 2012, 11:14:17 AM
S-K is probably the most overrated developer ever.  They screwed up so poorly that they had to fire over half their staff.  Too Human was the most worthless piece of trash ever to grace a console.  Moreso than Duke Nukem Forever.  They should just shut down forever; they've lost all their credibility, and they'll probably never make a good game ever again.

Speaking of insanity effects, you guys ever play Amnesia: The Dark Descent?  Think first person ED without combat, and an emphasis on barricading and hiding.

Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem is one of the most memorable gaming experiences of the GCN era. The update of MGS wasn't too shabby either.  If Miyamoto and Kojima trust SK enough to handle their published titles, they're a competent developer.
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Post by: Stratos on June 12, 2012, 12:37:48 PM
If Miyamoto and Kojima trust SK enough to handle their published titles, they're a competent developer.

With adult supervision, most children can appear competent.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 12, 2012, 01:12:53 PM
If Miyamoto and Kojima trust SK enough to handle their published titles, they're a competent developer.

With adult supervision, most children can appear competent.
Doesn't this happen with all Nintendo 2nd parties?  Nintendo lets them work alone until they are scheduled to show the project.  The project is no where near Nintendo's standards and they delay the game for a long time while hand holding the developer to guide them in the right direction.  The game finally comes out to critical praise.  Then Nintendo decides not to buy or re-up their commitment to the developer who them goes on to another platform where the game they make there sucks universally and the company is barely heard from again.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 12, 2012, 03:05:11 PM
If Miyamoto and Kojima trust SK enough to handle their published titles, they're a competent developer.

With adult supervision, most children can appear competent.
Doesn't this happen with all Nintendo 2nd parties?  Nintendo lets them work alone until they are scheduled to show the project.  The project is no where near Nintendo's standards and they delay the game for a long time while hand holding the developer to guide them in the right direction.  The game finally comes out to critical praise.  Then Nintendo decides not to buy or re-up their commitment to the developer who them goes on to another platform where the game they make there sucks universally and the company is barely heard from again.

unless its Squaresoft, then the game becomes a major system seller phenomenon and creates a cult of hungry zombie fans.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 12, 2012, 04:46:51 PM
If Miyamoto and Kojima trust SK enough to handle their published titles, they're a competent developer.

With adult supervision, most children can appear competent.
Doesn't this happen with all Nintendo 2nd parties?  Nintendo lets them work alone until they are scheduled to show the project.  The project is no where near Nintendo's standards and they delay the game for a long time while hand holding the developer to guide them in the right direction.  The game finally comes out to critical praise.  Then Nintendo decides not to buy or re-up their commitment to the developer who them goes on to another platform where the game they make there sucks universally and the company is barely heard from again.

Yeah, that sounds about right.  Though when the game came it fuckin' delivered.

Rare is all sucky now so a common opinion is that it was good Nintendo got rid of them.  Nintendo didn't ditch Rare they ditched the Rare/Nintendo team.  THAT was worth hanging on to.  The collaboration between those two companies consistently delivered amazing games.  It isn't like if Rare was still with Nintendo we would get the same lukewarm games MS got out of them.  That would only happen if Nintendo allowed it to be that way.  Odds are we would have continued to get great stuff out of them because of Nintendo's involvement.

Nintendo works really well as QA for someone else's work.
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Post by: Kytim89 on June 12, 2012, 08:42:25 PM
If Miyamoto and Kojima trust SK enough to handle their published titles, they're a competent developer.

With adult supervision, most children can appear competent.
Doesn't this happen with all Nintendo 2nd parties?  Nintendo lets them work alone until they are scheduled to show the project.  The project is no where near Nintendo's standards and they delay the game for a long time while hand holding the developer to guide them in the right direction.  The game finally comes out to critical praise.  Then Nintendo decides not to buy or re-up their commitment to the developer who them goes on to another platform where the game they make there sucks universally and the company is barely heard from again.

Yeah, that sounds about right.  Though when the game came it fuckin' delivered.

Rare is all sucky now so a common opinion is that it was good Nintendo got rid of them.  Nintendo didn't ditch Rare they ditched the Rare/Nintendo team.  THAT was worth hanging on to.  The collaboration between those two companies consistently delivered amazing games.  It isn't like if Rare was still with Nintendo we would get the same lukewarm games MS got out of them.  That would only happen if Nintendo allowed it to be that way.  Odds are we would have continued to get great stuff out of them because of Nintendo's involvement.

Nintendo works really well as QA for someone else's work.

Conker's Bad Fur Day 2.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 13, 2012, 02:24:31 PM
If Miyamoto and Kojima trust SK enough to handle their published titles, they're a competent developer.

With adult supervision, most children can appear competent.
Doesn't this happen with all Nintendo 2nd parties?  Nintendo lets them work alone until they are scheduled to show the project.  The project is no where near Nintendo's standards and they delay the game for a long time while hand holding the developer to guide them in the right direction.  The game finally comes out to critical praise.  Then Nintendo decides not to buy or re-up their commitment to the developer who them goes on to another platform where the game they make there sucks universally and the company is barely heard from again.

Yeah, that sounds about right.  Though when the game came it fuckin' delivered.

Rare is all sucky now so a common opinion is that it was good Nintendo got rid of them.  Nintendo didn't ditch Rare they ditched the Rare/Nintendo team.  THAT was worth hanging on to.  The collaboration between those two companies consistently delivered amazing games.  It isn't like if Rare was still with Nintendo we would get the same lukewarm games MS got out of them.  That would only happen if Nintendo allowed it to be that way.  Odds are we would have continued to get great stuff out of them because of Nintendo's involvement.

Nintendo works really well as QA for someone else's work.

Conker's Bad Fur Day 2.
Probably wouldn't happen due to the dismal sales of the first one.
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Post by: Mannypon on June 13, 2012, 10:47:59 PM
Retro in trouble?????? 

I'm on my cell so I can't post much but I ran into this story in gonintendo and I hope its not true.  The article seems in depth but I've never heard of this site or if the info is accurate. 

 http://emilyrogersblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/trouble-brewing-at-retro-studios-rocky-development-for-wii-u-project/
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 13, 2012, 11:06:01 PM
Retro in trouble? :confused; ?? 

I'm on my cell so I can't post much but I ran into this story in gonintendo and I hope its not true.  The article seems in depth but I've never heard of this site or if the info is accurate. 

 http://emilyrogersblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/trouble-brewing-at-retro-studios-rocky-development-for-wii-u-project/ (http://emilyrogersblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/trouble-brewing-at-retro-studios-rocky-development-for-wii-u-project/)

Without reading past the link, its Emily Rogers, everything she has "rumored" to date has been bullshit or never come to light. I wouldn't just take with some salt, I would get a whole salt lick for this one.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 14, 2012, 02:49:46 AM
Retro in trouble? :confused; ?? 

I'm on my cell so I can't post much but I ran into this story in gonintendo and I hope its not true.  The article seems in depth but I've never heard of this site or if the info is accurate. 

 http://emilyrogersblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/trouble-brewing-at-retro-studios-rocky-development-for-wii-u-project/ (http://emilyrogersblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/trouble-brewing-at-retro-studios-rocky-development-for-wii-u-project/)

Without reading past the link, its Emily Rogers, everything she has "rumored" to date has been bullshit or never come to light. I wouldn't just take with some salt, I would get a whole salt lick for this one.

well idk, it sounds pretty reasonably true if you follow the rumor mill. I think by now things would have stabilized though. However, That must be why we didn't see anything from Retro this year though. It just seems odd what went on after Prime. Does a 2d DK sound like the right series for the Metroid Prime team? No of course not, and thats probably why the 3 key Metroid People left. What other GOOD reasons would people leave to work with the same people? However, like in the rumor mill they have been hiring some good talent up lately. Good artists and stuff. It says so in their Linked-in Resumes they are now working for Retro and working on a secret games, and their work before now was GREAT. So, by now Retro is stabilized and full of experienced talent.
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Post by: Adrock on June 14, 2012, 07:34:49 AM
Is Emily Rogers the chick who said she slept with someone for a news scoop? Her name sounds so familiar but I don't remember why.

Even if that rumor is true, does it matter? Metroid Prime had a pretty rocky development cycle too. The game came together at the end and that's what matters. Didn't Retro/Nintendo also say that Donkey Kong Country Returns only started to come together within the last year of development? As long as they don't put out garbage, I don't think there's any reason to panic.
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Post by: Tamazoid on June 14, 2012, 07:46:28 AM
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Retro has been bleeding staff since the beginning. They are really living up to Rare's reputation of staff turnover. The thing is they have been replacing their ex staff with developers from other highly well regarded studios. What surprises me is that Nintendo sent people from NST to Retro to help out, I wonder what NST is doing, I highly doubt that they are working on another Mario vs Donkey Kong. They did hire that co founder of Sonic earlier this year, I swear they are working on something.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2012, 09:13:28 AM
Is Emily Rogers the chick who said she slept with someone for a news scoop? Her name sounds so familiar but I don't remember why.

Yes she is, and if you check the 2011 rumor consolidation, she was the one who had "leaked pics of pikmin and some other game, but both pics were more than likely BS. She also had a bunch of rumors leading up to E3 2011, none of which came true (iirc), so I wouldn't take anything she says that isn't backed up with something besides her word as probably false.

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Even if that rumor is true, does it matter? Metroid Prime had a pretty rocky development cycle too. The game came together at the end and that's what matters. Didn't Retro/Nintendo also say that Donkey Kong Country Returns only started to come together within the last year of development? As long as they don't put out garbage, I don't think there's any reason to panic.

well idk, it sounds pretty reasonably true if you follow the rumor mill. I think by now things would have stabilized though. However, That must be why we didn't see anything from Retro this year though. It just seems odd what went on after Prime. Does a 2d DK sound like the right series for the Metroid Prime team? No of course not, and thats probably why the 3 key Metroid People left. What other GOOD reasons would people leave to work with the same people?

If I remember correctly, Retro had asked to do DK, but now I'm pretty sure they are working on something new.

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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 14, 2012, 10:44:03 AM
Does Retro include any of the old talent that made up Rare? If so, that would explain why they would have asked to do DKCR. Otherwise, they might just perceive themselves as the reincarnation of Rare.
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Post by: Louieturkey on June 14, 2012, 02:38:04 PM
Does Retro include any of the old talent that made up Rare? If so, that would explain why they would have asked to do DKCR. Otherwise, they might just perceive themselves as the reincarnation of Rare.
If they did, then that would mean people moved from Europe to the US for the job.  It's highly unlikely unless they loved either the IP or Nintendo that much.
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Post by: Zzyzx on June 15, 2012, 02:08:45 AM
Retro in trouble? :confused; ?? 

I'm on my cell so I can't post much but I ran into this story in gonintendo and I hope its not true.  The article seems in depth but I've never heard of this site or if the info is accurate. 

 http://emilyrogersblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/trouble-brewing-at-retro-studios-rocky-development-for-wii-u-project/ (http://emilyrogersblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/trouble-brewing-at-retro-studios-rocky-development-for-wii-u-project/)

I'm not too concerned. The key developers leaving Retro over the last 5 years has been nothing really hidden or secretive, the info has been out there. The article just seems like complete BS to me based on the way it's written. It's so doom and gloom and it reminds me of cable news networks, like its trying to paint a more dramatic picture than is actually the case to grab your attention. It's so negative about Retro but I didn't see (not sure if it's in it or not but there's no big mention of it) the article mentioned how they just hired developers from Naughty Dog, id, and Vigil games. If you managed to snag developers from Naughty Dog, than that's a great sign.

I often worry that Retro may become what Rare has, but there's a key difference between Rare and Retro: Retro still has Nintendo backing them, which has some of the best developers in the industry. Bare in mind that Retro initially cancelled like 4 games when they started and the initial development of Metroid Prime was a complete mess to the point that they had to bring Miyamoto in. If you have to bring in Miyamoto, that's not a good sign. But hey, turned out great. So let's just hope either way someone from Nintendo is looking over their shoulder.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 15, 2012, 03:01:53 AM
this might be a good thing in the long run anyhow, because Nintendo wouldn't want to go through this mess again. Also, it might give them some insight into starting new studios from scratch, which i would say they need 2-3 Retro class studios.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 15, 2012, 02:27:20 PM
http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250189/miyamoto-interested-in-developing-a-first-person-shooter/

Miyamoto may not have the time, but like he did with Retro with Metroid Prime, he could put Retro on the task.

Speaking of first person, i play a first person game that is not a shooter all the time. Minecraft. which is brilliant.
Well, not in the last couple of weeks much, but there was a year where thats all i did. It was fun going down in caves with Stratos and Shyguy trying to see what we could find. We got lost and stuck a few times, and that was scary.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 15, 2012, 05:24:25 PM
I always hate it when people accuse me of wanting Nintendo to just make some Halo or CoD clone.  No, what I would like is to see what Nintendo's take on a first person shooter would be like.  Unless they put Miis in it, I figure Nintendo would make one of the best games of that genre around.  I think that with almost any genre.  Miyamoto making an FPS would be sweet, because it wouldn't be just some generic FPS.  He would probably think of some new element that the entire genre would copy from here on out.

Part of what I loved about Goldeneye/Perfect Dark was that those games were first person shooters with that Nintendo level of polish.  The irony is that Nintendo pretty much made the FPS genre viable on consoles and now they're like completely disassociated from it.  Before they sold Rare I figured that Perfect Dark would be a major series for Nintendo by this point.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 15, 2012, 06:35:11 PM
Goldeneye had polish? lol


If that isn't the very definition of being "blinded by nostalgia" I don't know what is. I'll give you Perfect Dark, but not Goldeneye at all.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 15, 2012, 06:56:51 PM
I don't think he means visual polish.
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Post by: Sarail on June 15, 2012, 08:08:31 PM
Oh, definitely. GoldenEye is a very well-polished game. Still has great gameplay, solid play-control, a decent soundtrack, awesome multiplayer... yeah, it's still a great game.

How can one not see that? o_O
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Post by: Mop it up on June 15, 2012, 08:34:14 PM
I think FPS games have changed so much since the Nintendo 64 days that it's difficult for a newcomer to understand what made Goldeneye a big deal back in the day. They now have a lot more realism and spectacle, which is what I think most people these days want from an FPS game. Even although I don't feel they make games in its particular style anymore, Goldeneye is not a game I would recommend to the new generation of gamers.
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Post by: Kairon on June 15, 2012, 08:53:08 PM
PD64>GE64
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Post by: Mop it up on June 15, 2012, 08:57:09 PM
PD64>GE64
No doubt, but it also came out three years later! Though I think Goldeneye has better single player levels than Perfect Dark does.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 15, 2012, 09:33:18 PM
I don't think he means visual polish.


Not talking about that either. The gameplay is boring, the multiplayer levels were bland, and even for the time, the framerate was ****.


 
Oh, definitely. GoldenEye is a very well-polished game. Still has great gameplay, solid play-control, a decent soundtrack, awesome multiplayer... yeah, it's still a great game.

How can one not see that? o_O


Like I said, nostalgia. Sorry to say, but it doesn't hold up today. Perfect Dark, like I said, is very good. I refuse to accept that Goldeneye holds up today. Hell, I don't think it held up well at the time.
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Post by: Tamazoid on June 15, 2012, 09:36:24 PM
Goldeneye had polish? lol


If that isn't the very definition of being "blinded by nostalgia" I don't know what is. I'll give you Perfect Dark, but not Goldeneye at all.


So your saying that in 1997 when Goldeneye came out you thought it was a godawful game with unbearable graphics and gameplay? Polished doesn't necessarily mean that the game will hold up for most people anymore


Wow
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Post by: bustin98 on June 15, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
I don't believe Oblivion is old enough to make that judgement.

At the very least, Goldeneye needs to be compared to Turok, Quake I, Duke Nukem, and Doom64. GE made distinctions in the FPS genre that even today are not implemented in many FPS games, if at all.
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Post by: Oblivion on June 16, 2012, 12:44:11 AM
I don't care if you don't think I'm old enough. I played both Quake and Goldeneye just four months ago, and I feel like GE praise is overblown. id's shooters are much better in every way and still hold up today. In my very humble opinion, GE doesn't.

Please, don't pull the "I'm older than you so I know better than you" argument. I didn't come to these forums to be treated like I'm your child that just doesn't know any better. The great thing about video games is that I can still play them today, no matter how old I am. 

Might I clarify that while it did pursue things that pushed the FPS forward and introduced different modes still used today, that doesn't make it the best. Things can be innovated and improved on things. Just because Martin Cooper created the first cellphone, does that make his creation good compared to the cellphones today? No, not at all. GE is the same way. Sure, it was good for it's time (so you say, I wouldn't know) but I feel like it didn't age well compared to other FPS's of its time and FPS's today.

But I'm too young so my argument is instantly invalid right?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 16, 2012, 01:08:10 AM
Retro in trouble?????? 

I'm on my cell so I can't post much but I ran into this story in gonintendo and I hope its not true.  The article seems in depth but I've never heard of this site or if the info is accurate. 

 http://emilyrogersblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/trouble-brewing-at-retro-studios-rocky-development-for-wii-u-project/

http://nintendoconnect.com/2012/06/14/all-is-well-at-retro-studios-after-all/

Quote from: Retro Studios
“A complete fabrication. All is very well at Retro Studios.”

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Retro Deckades on June 16, 2012, 01:12:58 AM
Not talking about that either. The gameplay is boring, the multiplayer levels were bland, and even for the time, the framerate was ****.

Well, I have to disagree with this statement. I spent hours upon hours playing the game in both the single and multiplayer modes, and I wouldn't have done so if it weren't fun, interesting, and engaging. Goldeneye was not a simple run and gun shooter like many FPSes today. The ability to sneak up on enemies and strategically eliminate them added a ton of depth to the game, and I wish more FPSes would utilize the same mechanic today. As for the multiplayer levels, there were one or two that were bland, sure, but the majority of them kept me and my friends playing this game until only a couple years ago.

It certainly could have used a better frame rate, but other than that, I have to think it is one of the most polished games on the N64. They went the extra mile in many areas including multiple enemy reactions to where they were hit (something I am not sure all FPSes even do today), as well as including excellent soundtracks and level designs that really use the 007 license to its full extent.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Scatt-Man on June 16, 2012, 01:14:31 AM
Quake and Goldeneye really shouldn't be compared with each other. One's an arcadey twitch shooter, while the other is Goldeneye. Go and play the original Deus Ex and tell us you also hate that game. I know I definitely couldn't get into it after playing it two years ago, and it's the same reason you can't play Goldeneye.

No one's bloody patient enough to figure **** out for themselves these days. End! We've all been babied through incredibly pretty-yet incredibly non-interactive FPS games for the past decade and it's sent the genre way back. But that's my opinion, and obviously sales for those select few explosive set piece-driven shooters are through the roof, but whether or not they're successful due to ease of play or merely the appealing action sequences is anyone's guess.

The original A Boy and his Blob is totally a **** game compared to Super Mario bros.!!! Accessibility, right? Trying to make a game as appealing to on-lookers at a first glance as possible. Quake is incredibly easy to pick up and get in to, where Goldeneye needed those two old words no one uses anymore, learning curve.

Nintendo has mentioned many 'o times recently--as recently as a week ago when referring to the WiiU Zelda in fact--that they're trying to make their games as accessible as possible. No learning curves!!! Great for you, someone who grew up in such a time, but for the rest of us? It sends shivers down our spines, as we find sticking with complex games with layers of depth rewarding when digging deeper. Most people are just happy with runnin' and gunnin' though, yay. -___-

WALL OF TEXT OVER.
tl;dr Back in my day, etc...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 16, 2012, 01:15:36 AM
GE is still the best offline multiplayer FPS created. 

I know because I play games.  So obviously, that means my opinion is right and everyone else is wrong if they don't agree with me. /sarcasm
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on June 16, 2012, 01:16:17 AM
Not talking about that either. The gameplay is boring, the multiplayer levels were bland, and even for the time, the framerate was ****.

Well, I have to disagree with this statement. I spent hours upon hours playing the game in both the single and multiplayer modes, and I wouldn't have done so if it weren't fun, interesting, and engaging. Goldeneye was not a simple run and gun shooter like many FPSes today. The ability to sneak up on enemies and strategically eliminate them added a ton of depth to the game, and I wish more FPSes would utilize the same mechanic today. As for the multiplayer levels, there were one or two that were bland, sure, but the majority of them kept me and my friends playing this game until only a couple years ago.

It certainly could have used a better frame rate, but other than that, I have to think it is one of the most polished games on the N64. They went the extra mile in many areas including multiple enemy reactions to where they were hit (something I am not sure all FPSes even do today), as well as including excellent soundtracks and level designs that really use the 007 license to its full extent.

How old were you when you played the game?

Quake and Goldeneye really shouldn't be compared with each other. One's an arcadey twitch shooter, while the other is Goldeneye. Go and play the original Deus Ex and tell us you also hate that game. I know I definitely couldn't get into it after playing it two years ago, and it's the same reason you can't play Goldeneye.

No one's bloody patient enough to figure **** out for themselves these days. End! We've all been babied through incredibly pretty-yet incredibly non-interactive FPS games for the past decade and it's sent the genre way back. But that's my opinion, and obviously sales for those select few explosive set piece-driven shooters are through the roof, but whether or not they're successful due to ease of play or merely the appealing action sequences is anyone's guess.

The original A Boy and his Blob is totally a **** game compared to Super Mario bros.!!! Accessibility, right? Trying to make a game as appealing to on-lookers at a first glance as possible. Quake is incredibly easy to pick up and get in to, where Goldeneye needed those two old words no one uses anymore, learning curve.

Nintendo has mentioned many 'o times recently--as recently as a week ago when referring to the WiiU Zelda in fact--that they're trying to make their games as accessible as possible. No learning curves!!! Great for you, someone who grew up in such a time, but for the rest of us? It sends shivers down our spines, as we find sticking with complex games with layers of depth rewarding when digging deeper. Most people are just happy with runnin' and gunnin' though, yay. -___-

WALL OF TEXT OVER.
tl;dr Back in my day, etc...


I was always under the impression that Quake/Doom was the shooter with the steep learning curve, not the other way around.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Phil on June 16, 2012, 01:27:46 AM
PD64>GE64

Of course.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 16, 2012, 02:29:51 AM
I played both Quake and Goldeneye just four months ago,

There is a difference between playing these games four months ago and playing them 15 years ago when they were revolutionary and mind blowing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on June 16, 2012, 02:35:54 AM
Boy the Model T Ford really SUCKS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: UncleBob on June 16, 2012, 02:39:27 AM
As someone who did play FPS games - heavily - all those years ago... Goldeneye... wasn't very good.  Game had a lot of issues.

With that said, with regards to FPS on a console - it was pretty much king of the mountain... of console.  About the best FPS experience you could get... on a console.  And the multi-player was amazing... on a console.

Now, I don't want to open the whole PC vs. Console debate, but back in the day, consoles couldn't touch PCs for FPS games.  So... comparing Goldeneye to PC FPS titles... well, it's not a good plan.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on June 16, 2012, 03:19:00 AM
I played both Quake and Goldeneye just four months ago,

There is a difference between playing these games four months ago and playing them 15 years ago when they were revolutionary and mind blowing.


You mean 15 years ago when you were much younger and now that when you look back, you are blinded by nostalgia?


(I bet because Unclebob said that it sucked y'all will accept his, right? )
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 16, 2012, 03:26:59 AM
No, I mean back then all the stuff gamers take for granted today was only starting to come into being. Back in those days Super Mario 64 was a huge deal because nothing like it had ever existed until that point, but nowadays a 3D platformer on par with that could come out and people would just take it for granted and it wouldn't have the same excitement.

The same goes for Goldeneye and other early FPS. Nowadays we get like at least a dozen FPS games each and every year, and the graphics and gameplay have come a long way since the late 90s. Gamers today are spoiled and are unable to appreciate something like that. That's why I said when you play an old game like today its probably not going to impress you, but if you played it in 1997 it would have blown your mind because nothing like it existed up until that point.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on June 16, 2012, 03:35:46 AM
I know this. I'd really appreciate it if you didn't call me spoiled.


I didn't come to these forums to be treated like I'm your child that just doesn't know any better...But I'm too young so my argument is instantly invalid right?

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 16, 2012, 05:18:06 AM
I don't think anyone is saying you being younger doesn't mean your opinion is any less valid, at least when it comes to stuff going on now. But how could you know more about a game which you didn't play until only recently? If you look at it through a modern lens you will be judging the game with a modern bias and you won't be able to appreciate it for what it was during its era. That would be like if I were to argue with someone who lived during World War 2 and me telling them I know more about that then they do, even though they lived through it and I did not. If I told them their WW2 was a joke compared to our current war in Afghanistan they would probably be offended.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 16, 2012, 06:15:58 AM
GoldenEye doesn't hold up that well now, but it was really impressive in its day. And it really is amazing how well Perfect Dark holds up; I've sunk a ton of time into the XBLA version, and it's probably my favorite shooter on the system.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: bustin98 on June 16, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
I'm the one who put Quake and GE in the same sentence. And I did so because I did not have a computer back then. So I played those games on the 64. The changing missions based on difficulty is something that remains pretty much unique to Rare's shooters, and adds immensely to replayability.

And just because you're young doesn't automatically invalidate your opinion. But you don't even realize what you take for granted. Though I guess I am in the same boat with my previous lack of pc experience.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Drizzt on June 16, 2012, 09:32:23 AM
I'm pretty young too but I've played goldeneye and it's fun, especially with friends. lol golden guns and slappers only and what was up with those bouncing grenades. From a modern point of view though it's harder to get friends together to play co-op offline than it was back in the day. The use of the rumble pack was awesome.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Retro Deckades on June 16, 2012, 09:37:49 AM
How old were you when you played the game?

I was under the impression that age was irrelevant to this argument, as you have expressed the interest not to be judged based on yours.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 16, 2012, 10:43:20 AM
Age when you played it doesn't really matter as much as it matters when you played it for the first time. If you were 15 and played it for the first time in 2007, then certainly it wouldn't be as impressive as it was to someone who was 15 and played it in 1997.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 16, 2012, 11:00:29 AM
It's not about age; it's about what you're comparing it to. The game was revolutionary compared to what was on consoles in the late '90s, and had a few wrinkles that were impressive even compared to most PC games of the time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on June 16, 2012, 11:15:20 AM
Quake and Goldeneye really shouldn't be compared with each other. One's an arcadey twitch shooter, while the other is Goldeneye. Go and play the original Deus Ex and tell us you also hate that game. I know I definitely couldn't get into it after playing it two years ago, and it's the same reason you can't play Goldeneye.

No one's bloody patient enough to figure **** out for themselves these days. End! We've all been babied through incredibly pretty-yet incredibly non-interactive FPS games for the past decade and it's sent the genre way back. But that's my opinion, and obviously sales for those select few explosive set piece-driven shooters are through the roof, but whether or not they're successful due to ease of play or merely the appealing action sequences is anyone's guess.

The original A Boy and his Blob is totally a **** game compared to Super Mario bros.!!! Accessibility, right? Trying to make a game as appealing to on-lookers at a first glance as possible. Quake is incredibly easy to pick up and get in to, where Goldeneye needed those two old words no one uses anymore, learning curve.

Nintendo has mentioned many 'o times recently--as recently as a week ago when referring to the WiiU Zelda in fact--that they're trying to make their games as accessible as possible. No learning curves!!! Great for you, someone who grew up in such a time, but for the rest of us? It sends shivers down our spines, as we find sticking with complex games with layers of depth rewarding when digging deeper. Most people are just happy with runnin' and gunnin' though, yay. -___-

WALL OF TEXT OVER.
tl;dr Back in my day, etc...
Learning curve and difficulty curve are not the same thing.

As for his whole Goldeneye debate- it revolutionized shooters on consoles. There's nothing else that needs to be said at this point. It was a pretty magical expereince for the people who first got it when the system was in its heyday, and that's not nostalgia. Its game design and addictive multiplayer quality made is likeable and successful. Now, does it hold up today? Probably not, from a graphical and even a gameplay standard. But it was the tits back then.

I enjoyed it when it first came out. It was certainly more engaging than the five-minute online shooters of this day and age.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 16, 2012, 11:28:27 AM
Plus it had fucking Pierce Brosnan on the box!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 16, 2012, 11:28:44 AM
Yeah, going back.  Goldeneye was an awesome game.  The design was smart and focused on stealth and less on twitch aiming and gun fights. 

It took the weakness of console controllers of difficulty aiming and made that part of the game...by really needing to know how to stop and aim.  Something that later has been incorporated into all the more realistic shooters. 

I will not say that Goldeneye had a difficult learning curve or was relatively hard per say.  Was the game hard?  Yes, 007 mode was intense, but the easier modes weren't hard at all.  The game also pretty much taught you the very first level how to play the game...now yes, if you started playing the game from the start on 007 mode, then the learning and difficulty level were quite difficult.

In the end, I think the game was great, but had some issues that keep it holding up in today's market.  When I compare Goldeneye to Perfect Dark, I think that PD had the better and probably the best FPS multiplayer on a console system at the time...but Goldeneyes levels were more interesting and fun.  I think Perfect Dark had some great levels...but they also had many levels that were overly complicated to figure out what to do...and just not fun.  Goldeneye this was not the case at all.  Most if not all of the levels were well crafted  and easy to interpret your objectives. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2012, 12:30:02 PM
What blew my mind about Goldeneye was that it had mission objectives and such.  Before that I had just played FPS games like Wolfenstein, Doom and Duke Nukem 3D and those just had "find red key, get to exit, kill everything" gameplay.  In Goldeneye you go to plant bombs here or access this computer here.  That was incredibly complex and creative stuff at the time.  The game plays less like Doom and more like a first person Metal Gear Solid, which is really impressive since MGS came out a year later.  I can't think of a computer FPS from that time period with that kind of depth.  Half-Life was still to come.  In this era first person shooters were pretty much just shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot.
Title: Insane n" Incentives?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2012, 12:57:26 AM
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/nintendo-offering-insane-incentives-to-publish-on-wii-u-eshop/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/nintendo-offering-insane-incentives-to-publish-on-wii-u-eshop/)
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The source, working at a European developer who previously informed on Wii U Achievements (a report which was later confirmed by Nintendo), said that Nintendo is taking digital downloads seriously this time. He said Nintendo wants to offer all retail games — first and third party titles– available as downloadable titles on the console via the Wii U eShop.
“They’re offering insane incentives for publishers to sell retail games as downloads on the console. You’d be stupid not to take advantage of it and go retail box-only”, he said, adding “The new platform is perfect for indie devs, it’s a whole different ball game than WiiWare. They’ve learned a lot from that mess”.
When we asked what the “insane incentives” on the Wii U eShop were, he replied: “It’s just a much bigger revenue cut that you’d get selling it on any other platform at the moment, plus promotions on the online store. If they [Nintendo] pull it off and it gains traction, it’ll press the other guys [Microsoft and Sony] to give more of the revenue to the publishers. It’s very good for us who make games”.

Sounds good to me. However they can entice 3rd parties to bring more games to the system, then the better.
Title: Re: Insane n" Incentives?
Post by: Kytim89 on June 20, 2012, 01:09:29 AM
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/nintendo-offering-insane-incentives-to-publish-on-wii-u-eshop/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/nintendo-offering-insane-incentives-to-publish-on-wii-u-eshop/)
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The source, working at a European developer who previously informed on Wii U Achievements (a report which was later confirmed by Nintendo), said that Nintendo is taking digital downloads seriously this time. He said Nintendo wants to offer all retail games — first and third party titles– available as downloadable titles on the console via the Wii U eShop.
“They’re offering insane incentives for publishers to sell retail games as downloads on the console. You’d be stupid not to take advantage of it and go retail box-only”, he said, adding “The new platform is perfect for indie devs, it’s a whole different ball game than WiiWare. They’ve learned a lot from that mess”.
When we asked what the “insane incentives” on the Wii U eShop were, he replied: “It’s just a much bigger revenue cut that you’d get selling it on any other platform at the moment, plus promotions on the online store. If they [Nintendo] pull it off and it gains traction, it’ll press the other guys [Microsoft and Sony] to give more of the revenue to the publishers. It’s very good for us who make games”.

Sounds good to me. However they can entice 3rd parties to bring more games to the system, then the better.

I thought Nintendo was against money hats?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on June 20, 2012, 01:13:49 AM
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/nintendo-offering-insane-incentives-to-publish-on-wii-u-eshop/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/nintendo-offering-insane-incentives-to-publish-on-wii-u-eshop/)
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The source, working at a European developer who previously informed on Wii U Achievements (a report which was later confirmed by Nintendo), said that Nintendo is taking digital downloads seriously this time. He said Nintendo wants to offer all retail games — first and third party titles– available as downloadable titles on the console via the Wii U eShop.
“They’re offering insane incentives for publishers to sell retail games as downloads on the console. You’d be stupid not to take advantage of it and go retail box-only”, he said, adding “The new platform is perfect for indie devs, it’s a whole different ball game than WiiWare. They’ve learned a lot from that mess”.
When we asked what the “insane incentives” on the Wii U eShop were, he replied: “It’s just a much bigger revenue cut that you’d get selling it on any other platform at the moment, plus promotions on the online store. If they [Nintendo] pull it off and it gains traction, it’ll press the other guys [Microsoft and Sony] to give more of the revenue to the publishers. It’s very good for us who make games”.

Sounds good to me. However they can entice 3rd parties to bring more games to the system, then the better.

I thought Nintendo was against money hats?
This isn't "money hats." This is Nintendo not taking as much of a cut of the pay when a third party's game sells on the eShop. More profits for third parties means happier third parties distributing games on our Wii U consoles means MORE games for Wii U console owners.

 :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 20, 2012, 01:23:35 AM
This isn't moneyhats; this is better than moneyhats. This makes the platform more attractive across the board instead of just buying a few exclusives. If the Wii U provides more revenue per sale, the Wii U version of the game is likely to be a focus of development and have exclusive features to get people to buy it that way.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on June 20, 2012, 01:26:35 AM
And remember, the indie developer of today could be the awesome third party developer of tomorrow.

However, this is pretty awesome news, if true.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2012, 01:28:01 AM
I thought Nintendo was against money hats?
They are. What that rumor is saying is that Nintendo is taking a smaller cut of revenue from 3rd parties. For example, say a company sells a digital download for $10 and Nintendo used to take $6. Here, Nintendo would only take $3 or $4 and the 3rd party gets more back. Those aren't official numbers. I was just using them for simplicity's sake.

A money hat would be if Nintendo gave Capcom $50 million for Resident Evil 7 exclusivity. That's a gamble because there's no guarantee that the initial investment pays off. By the time the game comes out, it might not make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Sure, Wii U owners get a nice exclusive but it might only amount to a short spike in hardware sales.

Giving 3rd parties are larger cut of revenue is probably a sounder strategy. It encourages 3rd parties to support Wii U. Ultimately, Nintendo may even make more money this way despite taking a smaller cut per download by increasing the amount of titles available.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 20, 2012, 01:30:10 AM
This is good news. 

Actually I see Nintendo balancing this out.  Retail games I can see Nintendo keeping the same margins or even asking for a slightly higher margin ratio...however, Nintendo telling developers.  You can also sell your game as a download and you get to earn more money that way.  Its really win/win for Nintendo.  Promote indie developers to the WiiU and offer large 3rd parties an incentive to offer the game as a download.  And yet...the price of boxed games might go up.  Also, 3rd parties and Nintendo would rather you buy digital to prevent second hand game markets from reaping the reward of the game. 

Now hopefully this means downloaded games will be priced lower. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 20, 2012, 01:39:19 AM
I thought Nintendo was against money hats?
They are. What that rumor is saying is that Nintendo is taking a smaller cut of revenue from 3rd parties. For example, say a company sells a digital download for $10 and Nintendo used to take $6. Here, Nintendo would only take $3 or $4 and the 3rd party gets more back. Those aren't official numbers. I was just using them for simplicity's sake.

A money hat for be if Nintendo gave Capcom $50 million for Resident Evil 7 exclusivity. That's a gamble because there's no guarantee that the initial investment pays off. By the time the game comes out, it might not make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Sure, Wii U owners get a nice exclusive but it might only amount to a short spike in hardware sales.

Giving 3rd parties are larger cut of revenue is probably a sounder strategy. It encourages 3rd parties to support Wii U. Ultimately, Nintendo may even make more money this way despite taking a smaller cut per download by increasing the amount of titles available.

I mentioned a while ago that if Nintendo wanted strong third party support they should offer them a greater percentage of profits than either Sony or Microsoft. Nintendo already makes bank off of their own titles, so losing a few extra dollars on each third party title is well meaing sacrifice if it will incentivize companies to bring games to your system. The big question is whter Take Two will bother to get involved, or not?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on June 20, 2012, 02:02:10 AM
While the devs would be a big draw, I don't see why Take Two being involved is such a big question.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2012, 02:10:35 AM
Take Two would offer more variety and would help legitimize Wii U as a viable platform for the remaining holdouts because of the games they publish. I don't personally like their games, but I stand to reap the benefits if they were to be successful supporting Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 20, 2012, 02:15:46 AM
They didn't say would never make games for it; they just want more evidence that Nintendo's figured things out. If stuff like Zombi U and other core-focused launch games sell well I'm sure they'll jump onboard.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 20, 2012, 02:20:14 AM
its the same self fulfilling prophesy logic. To define what audience is for a console 3rd parties have to jump in from the beginning and decide. They over estimate brand loyalty too much. People will buy whatever platform their games happen to be on.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 20, 2012, 07:14:25 AM
I thought Nintendo was against money hats?

Think of this as more like a tax cut in contrast to a government subsidy. A money hat would be Nintendo giving a "subsidy", whereas this is simply a "tax break". Nintendo isn't giving away anything, they're just not taking away as much. If that makes any sense.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 20, 2012, 01:17:42 PM
This is awesome news!  It's third party friendly.  When is Nintendo EVER third party friendly?  That's their whole damn problem.  This is very un-Nintendo like which, in this case, is AWESOME!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2012, 01:26:05 PM
When is Nintendo EVER third party friendly?
Between 3DS and Wii U, they've been really 3rd party friendly.

And don't get too excited, it's still a rumor. However, +1 for not being a Negative Nancy. You earned it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on June 20, 2012, 01:49:18 PM
Maybe disproved.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on June 21, 2012, 04:20:27 AM
Looks like Nintendo now partially owns the Fatal Frame/Project Zero IP.


http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/several-new-project-zerofatal-frame-2-wii-edition-trailers-fatal-frame-ip-now-officially-co-owned-by-nintendo/ (http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/several-new-project-zerofatal-frame-2-wii-edition-trailers-fatal-frame-ip-now-officially-co-owned-by-nintendo/)


Seems like they are getting very close to Tecmo-Koei
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 21, 2012, 07:50:02 AM
Nintendo should out right buy Tecmo-Koei. They would really benefit from the exclusive content these studios could create for their hardware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 21, 2012, 08:03:19 AM
Nintendo doesn't need to go out and buy every company they have the opportunity to get. I think their current method of working closely with trusted third party partners works very well, and I don't think it's necessary to go out and buy these companies.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on June 21, 2012, 08:16:18 AM
Ehh, I think Nintendo could do better than Tecmo Koei if they really wanted to acquire another company. They would be better off looking west. Nintendo could use more exclusive western style games while also increasing their presence over here.

And unless Nintendo can find companies that want to be part of Nintendo (like Monolith Soft did), they're probably better off making partnerships and signing contracts like they do now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on June 21, 2012, 03:03:08 PM
Looks like Nintendo now partially owns the Fatal Frame/Project Zero IP.


As an American, there goes my hopes of ever playing a new mainline Fatal Frame game again.  :P:
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 21, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
I'm a little late but the Rumor of Nintendo taking a far less cut on the Digital version of games over the Physical games is good news for their marketplace.  Though I do see this not really benefitting consumers beyond game availability.  I see this pushing Nintendo even more into there evergreen model where we won't see game cuts until the console itself is on fire sale.  It be clever for Nintendo to just cut ~$10 off the top of Digital games with Retail releases.  Have people need to pay a Physical Premium.  In exchange Nintendo saves a possible copy from the second-hand side.  More Importantly for Nintendo it gives them Control.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 21, 2012, 04:14:33 PM
Looks like Nintendo now partially owns the Fatal Frame/Project Zero IP.


As an American, there goes my hopes of ever playing a new mainline Fatal Frame game again.  :P:

We need an Operation Framefall to convince Reggie to give us what we want.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 21, 2012, 04:44:44 PM
Here's hoping a Fatal Frame HD collection for the Wii U gets made (of course, then it needs to get translated and released in the US as well). :)  All collection of all 4 games upconverted to HD and released in one package would be something I would pick up.  I never played any of them and a friend of mine showed me a bit of 2 which intrigued me. 
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Post by: Stratos on June 21, 2012, 10:17:57 PM
Maybe a chance to re-release a retooled Fatal Frame 4.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 21, 2012, 11:02:21 PM
Actually I would love that with some gameplay tweaks.  Imagine holding the GamePad up like a camera to take pictures...even if it isn't the most intuitive controls...it would feel pretty awesome. 

And I love the idea of collections...however, these days more money is in releasing individual games as download titles...and not changing them.  I would imagine upconverting the original 2 games would actually be quite expensive. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on June 24, 2012, 12:11:21 PM
While nintendo could go westto look for aquistions they would probably be better off picking up tecmo koei. Seems alot of bang for ones buck. Alot of valueable IP would be gained from that as well.

Maybe Sega or THQ would be great before nintendo has to compete with the guys with more money when picking apart the corpses of those guys in about three years. (Sega can easily turn it around, not sure about thq)

Woulnt mind them picking up mistwalker and intergrate them into monolith soft.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2012, 01:08:55 PM
1. Go to Konami.
2. Buy Bomberman IP.
3. Profit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on June 24, 2012, 01:28:50 PM
While nintendo could go westto look for aquistions they would probably be better off picking up tecmo koei. Seems alot of bang for ones buck. Alot of valueable IP would be gained from that as well.

Maybe Sega or THQ would be great before nintendo has to compete with the guys with more money when picking apart the corpses of those guys in about three years. (Sega can easily turn it around, not sure about thq)

Woulnt mind them picking up mistwalker and intergrate them into monolith soft.
I personally think that Japanese developers could do great things if they united under a single banner, especially with the new minds being mixed with the veterans.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on June 24, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
I dunno I thi k that would create an even bigger problem. The thing is that alot of the Japanese devs are really big and an old boys club. Looking at it a lot of the best Japanese studios are smaller devs were everyone gets more input. Platnium Games,Level 5,From Software.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 24, 2012, 02:52:53 PM
1. Go to Konami.
2. Buy Bomberman IP.
3. Profit.

Better yet, just buy Konami. It would really be beneficial for Nintendo to expand their hardcore repertoire with such franchises as Silent Hill, Contra, and Metal Gear. All of these (and more) are owned by Konami, so if Nintendo were to buy Konami they would own these franchise along with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2012, 06:07:32 PM
Nintendo probably could not afford Konami...and they would not sell anyway, unless they were drastically in trouble.  However, Bomberman is an IP I could see them selling...and Nintendo would be a great owner of it...and just for Smash Bros...it would make me happy.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 24, 2012, 06:12:20 PM
People seem to be under the impression that every Japanese developer is up for sale for some reason. Buying companies is incredibly expensive and difficult to do.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 24, 2012, 06:31:38 PM
Actually I would love that with some gameplay tweaks.  Imagine holding the GamePad up like a camera to take pictures...even if it isn't the most intuitive controls...it would feel pretty awesome. 

And I love the idea of collections...however, these days more money is in releasing individual games as download titles...and not changing them.  I would imagine upconverting the original 2 games would actually be quite expensive. 
If you've paid attention to either of the HD systems this gen, you'd know how incorrect you are.  I've seen so many hd collections of ps2 games this gen than any other gen has had previous gen's collections.  Also with Fatal Frame 2 already remade for Wii, I don't think it'd be that hard to upgrade it to hd.  HD upgrades really are all the rage.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2012, 07:01:28 PM
Hey, if we end up with an HD collection of DMC then we have me to thank for that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 24, 2012, 08:56:03 PM
Nintendo probably could not afford Konami...and they would not sell anyway, unless they were drastically in trouble.  However, Bomberman is an IP I could see them selling...and Nintendo would be a great owner of it...and just for Smash Bros...it would make me happy.

Nintendo could definitely afford them if they wanted them and they were up for sale. They lost a bit of it this past year, but the company is sitting on a ton of cash and could probably buy up most of the studios in Japan if they had the opportunity.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 24, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
Nintendo should buy SEGA and the good parts of THQ like Volition.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 24, 2012, 09:33:41 PM
And then they can finally put an end to that Saints Row nonsense and make Freespace 3 exclusive to Wii U.  (But I would prefer it on pc)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 25, 2012, 12:10:01 AM
Hey, if we end up with an HD collection of DMC then we have me to thank for that.
It's already been released...on PS3 & 360. (http://www.amazon.com/Devil-May-Cry-Collection-Playstation-3/dp/B005VBVQDI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1340597348&sr=8-3&keywords=dmc)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 25, 2012, 12:23:22 AM
Hey, if we end up with an HD collection of DMC then we have me to thank for that.
It's already been released...on PS3 & 360. (http://www.amazon.com/Devil-May-Cry-Collection-Playstation-3/dp/B005VBVQDI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1340597348&sr=8-3&keywords=dmc)

I said "we" as in Nintendo gamers and more specifcally for Wii U and in conjunction/bundle with DMC3.


to keep it in context of the comment right before I posted it.


Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mannypon on June 25, 2012, 12:48:46 AM
Something I just  thought of but didn't know where to post it lol, Nintendo should team up with Squareenix to help publish a "RPG classics" line where they take all the great rpgs from the SNES era and remake them in HD yet still retain the 2d graphics approach and release them digitally on the WiiU's eshop.  I'd kill for a remade HD 2d chrono trigger, FF6, Secret of Mana, Soul Blazer, Act Raiser, Secret of Evermore, Illusion of Gaia, Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, Zelda: LttP, and so on, and so on.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 25, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
Hey, if we end up with an HD collection of DMC then we have me to thank for that.
It's already been released...on PS3 & 360. (http://www.amazon.com/Devil-May-Cry-Collection-Playstation-3/dp/B005VBVQDI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1340597348&sr=8-3&keywords=dmc)

I said "we" as in Nintendo gamers and more specifcally for Wii U and in conjunction/bundle with DMC3.


to keep it in context of the comment right before I posted it.



I'm confused.  DMC3 was a PS2 game and it was part of the HD collection.  Did you mean DMC4 or the new Dmc?
So your hope is that the DMC Collection is also released for the Wii U and includes (either with it or released beside it) DMC4 and possibly the new Dmc as well at the same time.  Is that right?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2012, 01:01:18 PM
Something I just  thought of but didn't know where to post it lol, Nintendo should team up with Squareenix to help publish a "RPG classics" line where they take all the great rpgs from the SNES era and remake them in HD yet still retain the 2d graphics approach and release them digitally on the WiiU's eshop.  I'd kill for a remade HD 2d chrono trigger, FF6, Secret of Mana, Soul Blazer, Act Raiser, Secret of Evermore, Illusion of Gaia, Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, Zelda: LttP, and so on, and so on.

God they'd take so much of my money this way...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on June 25, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
Stephen TROLLtilo has unsubstantiated sources claiming the Wii U will be underpowered in two years. http://kotaku.com/5920931/the-wii-us-power-problem
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on June 25, 2012, 08:48:43 PM
Yeah, I saw that article. Pissed me off to no end. People started bitching about him and calling bullshit to many of his claims and he unsuccessfully tried to defend himself. His defense? "I HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN JOURNALISM HERP DERP".
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on June 25, 2012, 09:03:42 PM
As a standard rule of thumb, I think any time a "journalist" has to defend what they've written, then they should just admit to being wrong or offensive or opinionated or whatever. But that's just me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 25, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
Hey, if we end up with an HD collection of DMC then we have me to thank for that.
It's already been released...on PS3 & 360. (http://www.amazon.com/Devil-May-Cry-Collection-Playstation-3/dp/B005VBVQDI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1340597348&sr=8-3&keywords=dmc)

I said "we" as in Nintendo gamers and more specifcally for Wii U and in conjunction/bundle with DMC3.


to keep it in context of the comment right before I posted it.



I'm confused.  DMC3 was a PS2 game and it was part of the HD collection.  Did you mean DMC4 or the new Dmc?
So your hope is that the DMC Collection is also released for the Wii U and includes (either with it or released beside it) DMC4 and possibly the new Dmc as well at the same time.  Is that right?

I apologize. I meant bringing the whole HD collection to Wii U along with the newest game in the series. I clearly have no idea how many DMC games there have been, as the first one I have ever played was the demo @ E3.... which I also found and exploited a bug in the demo. It was nothing big, but the producer said she had never seen that one happen before.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on June 25, 2012, 11:21:31 PM
Think you're a bit mixed up.

At E3 there was the new DMC, or I should say--the reboot by Ninja Theory.  The reboot has nothing to do with the DMC series.

Orginal Dante vs reboot Dante

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ0g5_1zcN-drcGhYy0sKpysvpaoZSIxg5pprYUM32iDQQ7oO8W) (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTRFWgc2-6AqiMZ-cD6ai9h-4eZTmr0PK4E1LYZNL2zPMGpDT3JYQ)


 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 25, 2012, 11:35:47 PM
Well, either way, I talked with them about bringing the new game (of the same name) to the Wii U but also consider bringing the HD collection along with it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 25, 2012, 11:45:25 PM
The 3DS does not make a good chew toy for the dog:
 
http://kotaku.com/5921263/when-a-dog-eats-a-nintendo-3ds (http://kotaku.com/5921263/when-a-dog-eats-a-nintendo-3ds)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on June 26, 2012, 10:00:15 AM
I enjoyed the Devil May Cry series as sort of a Pulp type fun with the comboing and getting a review very Viewtiful Joeish.  The Reboot so far holds no interest to me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 26, 2012, 05:17:37 PM
Well, either way, I talked with them about bringing the new game (of the same name) to the Wii U but also consider bringing the HD collection along with it.
So you just want all five of the games on Wii U.  I understand now.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 26, 2012, 11:15:05 PM
Considering the love affair between Nnitendo and Ubisoft is there a possibility that Watch Dogs could be a timed exclusive for the Wii U for about a year then have the game released on the PS4 and 720?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 26, 2012, 11:23:45 PM
I think there's a possibility the game will never materialize into an actual release, and there's certainly a possibility that it won't at all live up to the trailer if it does come out, so why the hell not, that's a possibility as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on June 26, 2012, 11:42:09 PM
Wait, I thought it was announced for PC and PS360?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 27, 2012, 12:26:14 AM
Watch Dogs was the GTA like game?

There was a GTA like game next to the Capcom booth at E3, I think it was what became of True Crime Tokyo. Insano, do you know what game im talking about?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on June 27, 2012, 12:29:58 AM
Watch Dogs was the GTA like game?

There was a GTA like game next to the Capcom booth at E3, I think it was what became of True Crime Tokyo. Insano, do you know what game im talking about?

Sleeping Dogs is the name of the game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 27, 2012, 04:14:17 PM
Watch Dogs was the GTA like game?

There was a GTA like game next to the Capcom booth at E3, I think it was what became of True Crime Tokyo. Insano, do you know what game im talking about?
Watch Dogs is the one where you have your phone/pda that can hack into anything electronic and either manipulate it (controlling traffic signals) or find out info about people.  It looked like it would be a sandbox type open world game just with the hacking gimmick added in. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 27, 2012, 09:58:22 PM
Watch Dogs was the GTA like game?

There was a GTA like game next to the Capcom booth at E3, I think it was what became of True Crime Tokyo. Insano, do you know what game im talking about?
Watch Dogs is the one where you have your phone/pda that can hack into anything electronic and either manipulate it (controlling traffic signals) or find out info about people.  It looked like it would be a sandbox type open world game just with the hacking gimmick added in. 

Yeah, I remember the trailer for that game now. Was that playable at E3?

Is it weird that im asking all of you, while I was the one that was actually there?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on June 28, 2012, 10:24:47 AM
Watch Dogs was the GTA like game?

I thought that was Lego City: Undercover?  :P:
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on June 28, 2012, 06:59:59 PM
Watch Dogs was the GTA like game?

There was a GTA like game next to the Capcom booth at E3, I think it was what became of True Crime Tokyo. Insano, do you know what game im talking about?
Watch Dogs is the one where you have your phone/pda that can hack into anything electronic and either manipulate it (controlling traffic signals) or find out info about people.  It looked like it would be a sandbox type open world game just with the hacking gimmick added in. 

Yeah, I remember the trailer for that game now. Was that playable at E3?

Is it weird that im asking all of you, while I was the one that was actually there?
I know that at the Ubisoft presser when they were showcasing it, they were playing it from onstage.  So it could very well have been playable.  Did you go to the Ubisoft booth?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 28, 2012, 11:08:14 PM
Ubisoft booth was the first place I went. Didn't see it.
played Zombi U, watched Just Dance 4, seen Rabbids, AC3 & FarCry3.

Edit: almost forgot Shooting Game .... or whatever the generically named Unreal Tournament type game was called.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 28, 2012, 11:18:00 PM
I'm almost certain it wasn't playable. I only went to the Ubisoft booth for our appointment, though, so I didn't spend that much time there.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: SixthAngel on June 29, 2012, 12:05:25 PM
Watch Dogs was the GTA like game?

There was a GTA like game next to the Capcom booth at E3, I think it was what became of True Crime Tokyo. Insano, do you know what game im talking about?
Watch Dogs is the one where you have your phone/pda that can hack into anything electronic and either manipulate it (controlling traffic signals) or find out info about people.  It looked like it would be a sandbox type open world game just with the hacking gimmick added in. 

Yeah, I remember the trailer for that game now. Was that playable at E3?

Is it weird that im asking all of you, while I was the one that was actually there?
I know that at the Ubisoft presser when they were showcasing it, they were playing it from onstage.  So it could very well have been playable.  Did you go to the Ubisoft booth?

Unless something screws up in the presentation I wouldn't actually believe anything was actually played live.  MS faked their entire Kinect presentation a few years ago and the only reason we knew was because it used motion controls.  With a regular controller there is really no way to know.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on July 02, 2012, 03:26:00 PM
Not really a rumored but wanted tl get everyones thoughts on the NFC.

For those who don't know what NFC is.

 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/10/engadget-primed-what-is-nfc-and-why-do-we-care/

Its probably one of the reasons I'm excited about the wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on July 03, 2012, 03:34:39 PM
Not really a rumored but wanted tl get everyones thoughts on the NFC.

For those who don't know what NFC is.

 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/10/engadget-primed-what-is-nfc-and-why-do-we-care/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/10/engadget-primed-what-is-nfc-and-why-do-we-care/)

Its probably one of the reasons I'm excited about the wii U.
FYI, there is a thread here (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=38331.0) pertaining to NFC.  It was specifically made for Smash Bros but it's a better place to discuss NFC, or you can create your own thread about NFC only.
Title: 2 Big Unannounced Multiplat games look much better on Wii U!
Post by: Caterkiller on July 19, 2012, 05:15:35 PM
http://www.thegamerscene.com/2012/07/wii-us-graphics-wont-be-a-generation-leap-at-launch-2-big-titles-yet-to-be-announced/ (http://www.thegamerscene.com/2012/07/wii-us-graphics-wont-be-a-generation-leap-at-launch-2-big-titles-yet-to-be-announced/)


According to this source 2 big multiplatform games are coming to Wii U, and the Wii U versions look much better. Is it true? Well since it's positive it can't be right?


I believe!


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According to my source, whom I will keep anonymous, who has actually had play time with the Wii U, yes it is. I have spoken with him many times previously and he told me, and even showed me drawings, of the 3DS XL way before it was announced and Nintendo were still prototyping it a year ago (yes, so soon after launch as some of you may be surprised to hear).

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At launch, of course, we won’t expect to see the best out of the system because developers can’t just get the max out of a system that they have had for little under 2 years; just look at the difference between Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune (2007) and Uncharted 3 (2011). But the 2 titles that he has seen have been superb, he said, and they are both multiplatform games. The Wii U will boast a higher texture resolution that what we will see in these games compared to the PS3 and 360 versions, making it look much better.

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Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on July 19, 2012, 07:35:55 PM
Dead Spce 3 and Tomb Raider.
Title: Rare and Nintendo?
Post by: Caterkiller on July 19, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
Now this rumor is just insane, but it certainly is interesting. Just no way.


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[size=0px]According to the tipster, Nintendo is in direct negotiations with Microsoft to buy RARE, though the purpose of buying them seems to be all based around getting the rights to Banjo and Kazooie. Of course, we can't forget the other key franchises Nintendo gets with the acquisition. Conker's Bad Fur Day may have been shunned by Nintendo, but a sequel to that game should be embraced by the Nintendo brass if they want the Wii U to really be for everyone. Of course, this rumor doesn't stop there - it goes as far as to suggest that Retro Studios is actually deep into development on a Banjo and Kazooie title, and that the talks with Microsoft have been ongoing for some time."[/size]

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http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-nintendo-attempting-to-negotiate-its-way-into-ownership-of-banjo-and (http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-nintendo-attempting-to-negotiate-its-way-into-ownership-of-banjo-and)
Title: Re: Rare and Nintendo?
Post by: Kytim89 on July 19, 2012, 09:27:20 PM
Now this rumor is just insane, but it certainly is interesting. Just no way.


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[size=0px]According to the tipster, Nintendo is in direct negotiations with Microsoft to buy RARE, though the purpose of buying them seems to be all based around getting the rights to Banjo and Kazooie. Of course, we can't forget the other key franchises Nintendo gets with the acquisition. Conker's Bad Fur Day may have been shunned by Nintendo, but a sequel to that game should be embraced by the Nintendo brass if they want the Wii U to really be for everyone. Of course, this rumor doesn't stop there - it goes as far as to suggest that Retro Studios is actually deep into development on a Banjo and Kazooie title, and that the talks with Microsoft have been ongoing for some time."[/size]
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-nintendo-attempting-to-negotiate-its-way-into-ownership-of-banjo-and (http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-nintendo-attempting-to-negotiate-its-way-into-ownership-of-banjo-and)

I can't explain it, but I felt a strange urge to return to this very thread to see what news that Caterkiller had the forum. Strange that I sense something like this so far away from my computer. What could it be?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 19, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
Meh, Microsoft is barely using them now. Aside from the two Kinect Sports games (released in 2010 and 2011), they haven't made a new game since 2008 (just XBLA ports of their older games).
Title: Re: Rare and Nintendo?
Post by: MagicCow64 on July 19, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
Now this rumor is just insane, but it certainly is interesting. Just no way.


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[size=0px]According to the tipster, Nintendo is in direct negotiations with Microsoft to buy RARE, though the purpose of buying them seems to be all based around getting the rights to Banjo and Kazooie. Of course, we can't forget the other key franchises Nintendo gets with the acquisition. Conker's Bad Fur Day may have been shunned by Nintendo, but a sequel to that game should be embraced by the Nintendo brass if they want the Wii U to really be for everyone. Of course, this rumor doesn't stop there - it goes as far as to suggest that Retro Studios is actually deep into development on a Banjo and Kazooie title, and that the talks with Microsoft have been ongoing for some time."[/size]
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-nintendo-attempting-to-negotiate-its-way-into-ownership-of-banjo-and (http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-nintendo-attempting-to-negotiate-its-way-into-ownership-of-banjo-and)

Yeah, no way in hell that's true for any number of reasons. Out of curiosity, though, is there any precedent for a developer buying the rights for a single franchise when it didn't involve a company going bankrupt? Nintendo knew what they were doing when they sold Rare, but I can almost countenance the notion of them trying to get B&K back. Microsoft clearly doesn't need the franchise, and doesn't seem inclined to let Rare do anything else besides Kinect games. They've probably juiced the HD versions of the original games for about as much as they're worth at this point, so it wouldn't be a big loss to take them off Xbox Live.
Title: Re: Rare and Nintendo?
Post by: Kytim89 on July 19, 2012, 09:37:25 PM
Now this rumor is just insane, but it certainly is interesting. Just no way.


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[size=0px]According to the tipster, Nintendo is in direct negotiations with Microsoft to buy RARE, though the purpose of buying them seems to be all based around getting the rights to Banjo and Kazooie. Of course, we can't forget the other key franchises Nintendo gets with the acquisition. Conker's Bad Fur Day may have been shunned by Nintendo, but a sequel to that game should be embraced by the Nintendo brass if they want the Wii U to really be for everyone. Of course, this rumor doesn't stop there - it goes as far as to suggest that Retro Studios is actually deep into development on a Banjo and Kazooie title, and that the talks with Microsoft have been ongoing for some time."[/size]
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Yeah, no way in hell that's true for any number of reasons. Out of curiosity, though, is there any precedent for a developer buying the rights for a single franchise when it didn't involve a company going bankrupt? Nintendo knew what they were doing when they sold Rare, but I can almost countenance the notion of them trying to get B&K back. Microsoft clearly doesn't need the franchise, and doesn't seem inclined to let Rare do anything else besides Kinect games. They've probably juiced the HD versions of the original games for about as much as they're worth at this point, so it wouldn't be a big loss to take them off Xbox Live.

Rare and its IPs has and always will be better utilized under Nintendo's sphere of influence. Please let this be true. I want them back on Nintendo consoles very much.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 19, 2012, 09:43:42 PM
Forget Banjo, I'd kill to see what Retro could do with Perfect Dark. I mean, if we're going to dream, we might as well go all out.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 19, 2012, 09:52:16 PM
Forget Banjo, I'd kill to see what Retro could do with Perfect Dark. I mean, if we're going to dream, we might as well go all out.

I have some good ideas for what they could do with Perfect Dark.
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Post by: Kairon on July 19, 2012, 09:55:08 PM
Forget Banjo, I'd kill to see what Retro could do with Perfect Dark. I mean, if we're going to dream, we might as well go all out.

All out? Conker's Bad Fur Day: The Day After.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 19, 2012, 10:22:19 PM
If Rare and Nintendo got back together  then think about what it would mean for the next Smash Brtohers game.
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Post by: Adrock on July 19, 2012, 10:49:12 PM
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Of course, this rumor doesn't stop there - it goes as far as to suggest that Retro Studios is actually deep into development on a Banjo and Kazooie title, and that the talks with Microsoft have been ongoing for some time."
This is why I don't believe this rumor. Why would Retro Studios have already started to work on a game for a series Nintendo doesn't own? What if negotiations broke down? That would be like if the Brooklyn Nets started making Dwight Howard jerseys back in June. This isn't like Pac-Man Vs. where Nintendo was experimenting with a concept with probably only a few programmers. And at least Namco was a 3rd party when Nintendo developed Pac-Man Vs. There aren't as many barriers.
If Rare and Nintendo got back together  then think about what it would mean for the next Smash Brtohers game.
Probably nothing. The roster was probably finalized back in April/May. I suppose there could be DLC characters, but Katsuhiro Harada, who produces Tekken and is involved with the new Smash Bros. games, is not a fan, going as far as to say he would maybe quit than deal with paid DLC. It's not up to him since Sakurai is in charge. However, he might have enough influence to say, "F that noise." Unless Nintendo released it for free... what are the chances of that?
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 19, 2012, 10:49:54 PM
Screw all that noise; Grabbed by the Ghoulies HD Remix!
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Post by: SonofMrPeanut on July 19, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
Screw all that noise; Grabbed by the Ghoulies HD Remix!


Not obscure enough.  Time for a new Jetpac game!  :cool;
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Post by: Stratos on July 19, 2012, 11:04:34 PM
Jumping on this bandwagon I like to see Jet Force Gemini with pointer controls.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 19, 2012, 11:14:57 PM
Now this rumor is just insane, but it certainly is interesting. Just no way.


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http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-nintendo-attempting-to-negotiate-its-way-into-ownership-of-banjo-and (http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-nintendo-attempting-to-negotiate-its-way-into-ownership-of-banjo-and)

As far fetched as this may seem, I would like to point out that Nintendo DID recently purchase the Fatal Frame franchise. Does that help lend some credence to this rumor? If Nintendo recently bought one franchise (Fatal Frame), then them buying others (B&K) seems a bit more plausible.

But remember, this rumor is just that they are ATTEMPTING to negotiate. That's a far cry from actually succeeding. There are many hurdles that could get in the way.
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Post by: Stratos on July 19, 2012, 11:21:25 PM
You know, it is possible that some Retro folk were fans of some Rare franchise and started dabbling in a side project off of a Rare franchise and Nintendo was so impressed that they are trying to acquire the property.

Or they realize how much they could capitalize on N64 nostalgia considering over half of that system's hits were from the Rare library.

Another thought: they may have nearly cinched a deal to re-release Goldeneye but they have to 'eliminate' one of the potential hands that could be holding onto the prize. Reacquire Rare from Microsoft and that is one less party at the table.
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Post by: Sarail on July 19, 2012, 11:23:07 PM
Jumping on this bandwagon I like to see Jet Force Gemini with pointer controls.
OOOOOOH. You're my new favorite person! :D
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 19, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
I doubt the validity to the Nintendo/Microsoft/RARE threesome, but I wouldn't be that shocked to find out if it were true. Nintendo and Microsoft don't have the bad blood between them that Nintendo and SONY have, or that Microsoft and SONY have. Nintendo did sell their old Seattle land to Microsoft not that long ago, and Microsoft published RARE titles on the GBA (and DS?).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 20, 2012, 12:00:13 AM
(and DS?).

Viva Pinata and Diddy Kong Racing. But these came out in 2007 and 2008 respectively, and there has been nothing else since then.
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Post by: MegaByte on July 20, 2012, 12:37:06 AM
Well, there hasn't been much out in general since then. They've been working on avatar and Kinect stuff instead.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on July 20, 2012, 12:49:29 AM
You know, it is possible that some Retro folk were fans of some Rare franchise and started dabbling in a side project off of a Rare franchise and Nintendo was so impressed that they are trying to acquire the property.


Yeah, it could be that Retro is trying to pull off a reverse (or anti?) Dinosaur Planet, working up a next-gen platformer/adventurer game with the hopes that they can plug in Banjo and Kazooie.
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Post by: ThePerm on July 20, 2012, 12:57:01 AM
Benjamin Frankin wants Banja Kazooie back. It just makes sense.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 20, 2012, 01:19:52 AM
Zelda Informer is a website notorious for making stupid rumors up.  Seriously people, anytime you hear a rumor from Zelda Informer you should know it's false right away because 100% of all their rumors since the very creation of the site of been wrong.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 20, 2012, 01:31:43 AM
Zelda Informer is a website notorious for making stupid rumors up.  Seriously people, anytime you hear a rumor from Zelda Informer you should know it's false right away because 100% of all their rumors since the very creation of the site of been wrong.

I have to admit, the name "Zelda Informer" does make the site a bit hard to take seriously.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 20, 2012, 02:07:27 AM
But...stupid rumors get hits and are exciting.
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Post by: Caterkiller on July 20, 2012, 03:26:24 AM
Man why is no one talking about the 2 unannounced better looking major multiplayform games? That's the rumor that should have gotten all the responses!
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 20, 2012, 03:31:24 AM
What kind of (realistic) news can we expect from the next Nintendo Direct?
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Post by: Hey Einstein! on July 20, 2012, 04:36:34 AM
Pah, Microsoft can keep Rare, what talent is left with them anyway? N64 was a long time ago!


On the other hand I love Banjo and would be delighted if a dev I have some faith in (like Retro) could work on a proper sequel (NOT nuts and bolts).

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Post by: Adrock on July 20, 2012, 07:31:44 AM
Man why is no one talking about the 2 unannounced better looking major multiplayform games? That's the rumor that should have gotten all the responses!
Probably because that one was less specific than the Rare one. That Rare rumor was so easy to pick apart; that's why i responded to it. The other one was just vague enough that it could be true and could be twisted any which way to be construed as true once we know more about Wii U's upcoming lineup. That said, there isn't much to talk about. Those 2 games could literally be any 2 games coming out. Pick 2 games and that's kind of it: Resident Evil 6 and Tomb Raider.
Pah, Microsoft can keep Rare, what talent is left with them anyway? N64 was a long time ago!
I think the point of scooping up Rare was specifically for their IPs which Nintendo made no attempt to keep when they sold back their near-half in Rare and let them walk. The rumor is claiming that Nintendo wants all of those IPs, namely the Banjo series. They're not in it for the talent or what's left of them. A good bulk of Rare's talent from the N64 days are at Crytek UK (Free Radical Designs) anyway. It's a bizarre rumor to say the least. Why would Nintendo want a bunch of franchises a decade later that Microsoft either didn't use or squandered? I could see Nintendo wanting something with tons of history that was just dormant like Mega Man. Then again, maybe Nintendo would want Rare's IPs because they're inextricably a part of Nintendo's history. Having Banjo and Conker sure would make Diddy Kong Racing feel more complete.
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Post by: Stogi on July 20, 2012, 11:29:19 AM
Releasing Rare games on the VC is money in the bank. I would definitely buy Killer Instinct Gold. But yeah...this idea is bullish.

As for the two games, my guess they are from a developer who was given a Wii U Dev kit early; probably EA.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 20, 2012, 11:58:28 AM
We can talk all we want about what should happen in the present, but do you know what should have happened 15 years ago? Rare should have made a Metroid game for the N64. That is what SHOULD have happened.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 20, 2012, 12:14:11 PM
Releasing Rare games on the VC is money in the bank. I would definitely buy Killer Instinct Gold. But yeah...this idea is bullish.

As for the two games, my guess they are from a developer who was given a Wii U Dev kit early; probably EA.

I would buy everything twice.  ;D
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Post by: ThePerm on July 20, 2012, 12:25:49 PM
it seemed almost inconceivable that Nintendo would let Rare go when they did. When it happened I thought it was weird they let the IPs go too. N64 might as well have been a console made by Rare. IF I were Nintendo I would really really try to get as many IPs as possible. I would own Sega and would have never let Rare go. As much as I like Microsoft now, they still mismanaged Rare into the ground. Now would be a good time to buy back the franchises. Microsoft just posted its first quarterly loss ever.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 20, 2012, 12:37:35 PM
I wonder if Nintendo could get Rare cheaper tha they paid for them since they have been run into the ground by Microsoft? How about 100 million?
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Post by: noname2200 on July 20, 2012, 01:02:47 PM
We can talk all we want about what should happen in the present, but do you know what should have happened 15 years ago? Rare should have made a Metroid game for the N64. That is what SHOULD have happened.

I can see it now: "You must collect 98 artifacts, 22 Chozo feathers, 16 Federation Emblems, and 8 fhwagads to proceed to Ridley."
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Post by: Adrock on July 20, 2012, 01:09:47 PM
I like that Rare never made Metroid 64. I don't think we would have gotten the same Metroid Prime or even at all. That 8 year absence plus Ocarina of Time made the game what it was.
I wonder if Nintendo could get Rare cheaper tha they paid for them since they have been run into the ground by Microsoft? How about 100 million?
I don't know how much Nintendo paid for their 49% of Rare back in the 90s but $100 million to acquire them today seems low, especially with inflation. Rare and their assets are probably worth less now than they did when Microsoft bought them in 2002 since they've been mishandled or just plain dormant. To be worth almost 1/4 of what Microsoft paid is stretching it.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 20, 2012, 01:23:51 PM
Getting Rare's IP back would be awesome!  It feels right, like things would be "correct" again.  At the very least having Rare's N64 titles on the VC would make sense.  The N64 selection is severely compromised without those games.  Cutting Rare out of Nintendo's history is like cutting out Yokoi or Miyamoto.

Though Banjo-Kazooie is a pretty silly choice to be the Rare IP Nintendo is most interested in.  Banjo-Kazooie was just the Super Mario 64 sequel EAD wasn't going to give us.  If they got BK but none of the rest, what have they really added?  So we just get Super Mario Galaxy 3 with BK?  The impact is minimal.  Perfect Dark is the truly valuable IP.  There is reason Goldeneye was Rare's biggest hit on the N64.  It was totally different than anything Nintendo themselves made.  I think the truly valuable Rare IPs would be Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, Jet Force Gemini and Blast Corps because those would actually add to Nintendo's library.  They're different than what Nintendo already provides.  We don't need Rare's IP back to make more 3D platformers and kart racers.

And if Nintendo thinks that a Retro developed BK game is the big money maker over a Retro developed Perfect Dark, well their heads are so far us their asses they just be seeing through their belly buttons.

I think getting all of Rare's IP back, or least the one's that were created on Nintendo systems (ie: MS can keep Viva Pinata), would be the valuable move.  Getting just BK back is a waste of time and money.  Mario With A Bear is fun and all but will have zero impact on, well, anything.
 
And Retro totally did Metroid right.  I see no reason to tinker with history on that one.  I think Nintendo should never have sold Rare (or forced Star Fox into Dinosaur Planet) but things worked out right for Metroid... until recently. ;)
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 20, 2012, 02:15:11 PM
Not going to happen for a number of reasons.

1) The Rare IP is very bauble for Microsoft.
2) Rare is Microsoft's main kinect studio and is also heavily invested kn the avatar stuff on the OS side.
3)Rare helps other developers on a tech level similar to how Sony Santa Monica helps smaller studios.
4)Rare is currently hiring for multiple next gen xbox games.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 20, 2012, 03:23:35 PM
Nintendo never should have sold Rare's IPs in the first place. Selling the studio itself was the right move because all the talent was gone and it was basically an empty husk of what it used to be, but the franchises were worth holding onto. Why did Nintendo part with those?
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Post by: Ceric on July 20, 2012, 03:32:26 PM
Nintendo never should have sold Rare's IPs in the first place. Selling the studio itself was the right move because all the talent was gone and it was basically an empty husk of what it used to be, but the franchises were worth holding onto. Why did Nintendo part with those?
Because MS really wanted them.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 20, 2012, 04:10:30 PM
Nintendo never should have sold Rare's IPs in the first place. Selling the studio itself was the right move because all the talent was gone and it was basically an empty husk of what it used to be, but the franchises were worth holding onto. Why did Nintendo part with those?

While people left much of the talent didn't leave until after the last Banjo and Viva Pintana. Some hyperbole there. Also Rare owned the IP not nintendo. I'm honestly surprised at how many people didn't know that. All of The OG IP made from Rare stayed with them with expection of a few. If if nintendo wanted them they couldn't have did anything.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 20, 2012, 04:18:26 PM
Also Rare owned the IP not nintendo.

I'm well aware of that, but the fact of the matter is Nintendo owned Rare, so everything Rare owned Nintendo also owned. Do you get it?
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Post by: Disco Stu on July 20, 2012, 04:32:27 PM
Also Rare owned the IP not nintendo.

I'm well aware of that, but the fact of the matter is Nintendo owned Rare, so everything Rare owned Nintendo also owned. Do you get it?


Actually, Nintendo only owned 49% of Rare.  This why they were always called 2nd party instead of 1st party developers.  I'm pretty sure any new IPs developed internally by Rare were owned wholly by them.
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Post by: Louieturkey on July 20, 2012, 05:08:27 PM
Also Rare owned the IP not nintendo.

I'm well aware of that, but the fact of the matter is Nintendo owned Rare, so everything Rare owned Nintendo also owned. Do you get it?


Actually, Nintendo only owned 49% of Rare.  This why they were always called 2nd party instead of 1st party developers.  I'm pretty sure any new IPs developed internally by Rare were owned wholly by them.
This is correct.  The only way Nintendo would have been able to get those IPs was to buy them, either from the Stamper brothers or from Microsoft once they bought the brother's shares.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 20, 2012, 05:19:23 PM
Okay then. But if they owned 49% of Rare then doesn't that mean they were 49% owners of these franchises as well?
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Post by: Disco Stu on July 20, 2012, 05:41:50 PM
Okay then. But if they owned 49% of Rare then doesn't that mean they were 49% owners of these franchises as well?


Obviously this is speculation on my part, but I would assume it was a stipulation of the contract when Nintendo bought the non-controlling share of the company that this would not be the case.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 20, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
No.  It means they were 49% share holders in a company.  If you own a company's shares you do not get any right to their assets.  You are only a shareholder.

Now, if you had majority or super majority shareholder you could possibly have more weight...again it all depends on conditions of the shares though.
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Post by: shingi_70 on July 20, 2012, 05:49:50 PM
Okay then. But if they owned 49% of Rare then doesn't that mean they were 49% owners of these franchises as well?

Technically Yes but for a IP buyout to go through than the shareholders wouldst have to agree and Microsoft becoming the majority shareholder killed any chance of that.

Thats the main reason why Nintendo sold off their shares to Microsoft.
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Post by: Ian Sane on July 20, 2012, 06:39:03 PM
At what point did the talent leave Rare?  When defending Nintendo's decision to sell them all I hear is that "well everyone who was any good had left".  Uh huh.  When did this happen?  Conker's Bad Fur Day kicked ass.  Star Fox Adventures is a pretty low note to end the Nintendo/Rare era on but it isn't just outright crap.  I would call it a well-made game with some major flawed ideas (and made by a team that had clearly lost their passion for the project when the big company execs shoehorned an unrelated IP into their game).  Did everyone skip out between Conker and SFA or is this revisionist history to defend the all-mighty infallible Nintendo.  All I get is vague answers.  Who left and when?  And no, don't point out DK64 and say "that game sucked" to defend yourself because Rare still released awesome games, including Perfect Dark, after DK64.

To me it seems like Nintendo sold off the company that almost single-handedly kept the N64 afloat in North America because their consistently great and successful games were often delayed even though Nintendo themselves always did that anyway.  And while Rare sucked with Microsoft, that's the point.  They sucked with Microsoft.  The Nintendo/Rare collaboration was what created the magic.

I look at the Rare sale as Nintendo pretty much signing the Cube's death certificate.  Okay so we're going in with the image that we're some kiddy company and the only cool stuff we got is Rare and Zelda.  So let's sell Rare and turn Zelda into a cartoon and then act completely befuddled when the system underperforms.

Did Star Fox Adventures suck because Rare had lost it or because Nintendo meddled with it in a way I would expect out of Activision or EA?  Hell the game came out around the same time Rare was sold.  The sale didn't happen overnight.  Is it possible that the impending sale could have had some effect on the SFA team's work?  You start off with this ambitious N64 game and then you have to move it to another system and then some meddling exec (ironically a fellow game designer) sabotages your whole creative vision and insists you insert an unrelated IP (with ridiculous gameplay elements like the Arwing levels that would naturally have to be thrown in) and this is all happening while there is talk that your company might be sold to someone else.  Could there be a less inspiring work environment?  Dinosaur Planet was likely ruined by outside factors.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on July 20, 2012, 06:52:01 PM
Didn't quite a few staff members leave after just about every game was published, starting with Goldeneye and culminating with the Stampers hanging it up? The Conker project was long-in-the-works, as was DP/SFA, so you could maybe assume that those teams were constituted during the height of their creative prowess. But then you've got Mickey's Speedway USA, DK64, Jet Force Gemini (people have a lot of nostalgia for this game, but I don't think it stands up next to BK or PD), and the announced Kameo (which looked lame to begin with and turned out to fulfill that promise). Then Microsoft era: Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Conker port, Perfect Dark Zero (hiss, boo), BK: Nuts and Bolts, Viva Pinata (which was actually pretty good), and finally Kinect Sports.

I think Rare looked on the wane toward the end of the 64, and never really recovered creatively. The question might be how much of the staff defection and creative decline can be directly attributed to Nintendo's meddling. Probably a lot. I used to read the Uncle Tusk and Letters columns back in the day, and in the last few years they were letting quite a few thinly veiled jabs fly at "Ninty", culminating with that Mr. Pants Christmas Tree image with what were clearly a PS2 and an Xbox wrapped beneath it.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 20, 2012, 08:06:14 PM
Nintendo put up with a lot of crap from Rare, like the constant delays in development. If anything, Nintendo should have been more strict with them.
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Post by: Sarail on July 20, 2012, 08:22:04 PM
I wonder if Nintendo could get Rare cheaper tha they paid for them since they have been run into the ground by Microsoft? How about 100 million?
But see, that's the thing. They'd just be buying the name. Rare's talent has all scattered and left. It's not Rare anymore.. just a company that designs avatars and Kinect games for Microsoft.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 20, 2012, 08:31:49 PM
their consistently great and successful games were often delayed even though Nintendo themselves always did that anyway.

Perhaps it is no coincidence that both Nintendo and Rare are known for consistently great games, and also delays of those said games. Its like if they game isn't ready they have no problem holding off on releasing it until its just right as opposed to rushing it out before its ready.

In contrast to that, look at what Bethesda did last November in releasing Skyrim in order to meet the holiday season even though the game was clearly not ready (at least not the PS3 version anyway). That game NEEDED to be delayed because it wasn't ready, but Bethesda doesn't care. Getting those holiday sales were more important to them than having a bug-free product.

Nintendo put up with a lot of crap from Rare, like the constant delays in development. If anything, Nintendo should have been more strict with them.

I disagree, for the reason I just explained above. In the N64 days there was no such thing as patches for games. If a game was rushed out and it wasn't ready, then it would remain in that condition forever. There was no patch or DLC system to correct it. Nowadays game companies can get away with rushing incomplete games out to some extent, but even though nowadays there are online patches, its still generally frowned on.

There is a reason Rare is known for the stellar quality of its games. I think if they did things they way you are suggesting they would probably have a somewhat different reputation.
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Post by: Adrock on July 20, 2012, 09:12:23 PM
It's pretty well-documented that Miyamoto had frequent correspondences with Rare every month and would fly out to the UK to observe their progress a couple times a year. Miyamoto often had to tell Rare what they were doing wrong and how to fix it. That same kind of handholding should be familiar to Nintendo fans because it's what gave us Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime. The difference between Rare (and Silicon Knights for that matter) and Retro Studios is that Retro Studios eventually earned their autonomy by not sucking. Miyamoto doesn't have to babysit them. I'm sure Nintendo steps in every now and then, but for the most part, Retro Studios is trusted to make good games.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 20, 2012, 09:53:49 PM
It's pretty well-documented that Miyamoto had frequent correspondences with Rare every month and would fly out to the UK to observe their progress a couple times a year. Miyamoto often had to tell Rare what they were doing wrong and how to fix it. That same kind of handholding should be familiar to Nintendo fans because it's what gave us Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime. The difference between Rare (and Silicon Knights for that matter) and Retro Studios is that Retro Studios eventually earned their autonomy by not sucking. Miyamoto doesn't have to babysit them. I'm sure Nintendo steps in every now and then, but for the most part, Retro Studios is trusted to make good games.

I was always under the impression that Miyamoto chastized Rare for developing the origila DKC to be too similar to that of Mario, and the I heared conflicting reports that he is actually too polite to insult the quality of some one else's work. What really happened?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 20, 2012, 10:39:11 PM
Miyamoto later admitted he war just being harsh because he was still upset at Nintendo's marketing team telling him to make Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island look more like DKC (of course, Miyamoto then went and make it look even more like hand drawn art).
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Post by: ThePerm on July 21, 2012, 01:34:47 AM
At what point did the talent leave Rare?  When defending Nintendo's decision to sell them all I hear is that "well everyone who was any good had left".  Uh huh.  When did this happen?  Conker's Bad Fur Day kicked ass.  Star Fox Adventures is a pretty low note to end the Nintendo/Rare era on but it isn't just outright crap.  I would call it a well-made game with some major flawed ideas (and made by a team that had clearly lost their passion for the project when the big company execs shoehorned an unrelated IP into their game).  Did everyone skip out between Conker and SFA or is this revisionist history to defend the all-mighty infallible Nintendo.  All I get is vague answers.  Who left and when?  And no, don't point out DK64 and say "that game sucked" to defend yourself because Rare still released awesome games, including Perfect Dark, after DK64.

To me it seems like Nintendo sold off the company that almost single-handedly kept the N64 afloat in North America because their consistently great and successful games were often delayed even though Nintendo themselves always did that anyway.  And while Rare sucked with Microsoft, that's the point.  They sucked with Microsoft.  The Nintendo/Rare collaboration was what created the magic.

I look at the Rare sale as Nintendo pretty much signing the Cube's death certificate.  Okay so we're going in with the image that we're some kiddy company and the only cool stuff we got is Rare and Zelda.  So let's sell Rare and turn Zelda into a cartoon and then act completely befuddled when the system underperforms.

Did Star Fox Adventures suck because Rare had lost it or because Nintendo meddled with it in a way I would expect out of Activision or EA?  Hell the game came out around the same time Rare was sold.  The sale didn't happen overnight.  Is it possible that the impending sale could have had some effect on the SFA team's work?  You start off with this ambitious N64 game and then you have to move it to another system and then some meddling exec (ironically a fellow game designer) sabotages your whole creative vision and insists you insert an unrelated IP (with ridiculous gameplay elements like the Arwing levels that would naturally have to be thrown in) and this is all happening while there is talk that your company might be sold to someone else.  Could there be a less inspiring work environment?  Dinosaur Planet was likely ruined by outside factors.

its not so much that they left all at once, but they are 80% gone now. First Free Radicals left so no more Goldeneye/PD team, then slowly more people left, and finally the stampers themselves left.

but back to the wishing Rare would come back. I think i mentioned earlier, but its worth mentioning again...Microsoft posted their first quarterly loss ever, and a good Hollywood accounting way for making that as if it never happened is to sell some IPs that don't make them much money. They might make more money selling those IPs then holding on to them. If their long term global domination goals are to be believed, then they will get them back in the long run anyhow.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on July 21, 2012, 02:07:00 AM
I would like to chime in and say that Starfox Adventures was INDEED crap.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on July 21, 2012, 09:45:41 AM
At what point did the talent leave Rare?  When defending Nintendo's decision to sell them all I hear is that "well everyone who was any good had left".  Uh huh.  When did this happen?  Conker's Bad Fur Day kicked ass.  Star Fox Adventures is a pretty low note to end the Nintendo/Rare era on but it isn't just outright crap.  I would call it a well-made game with some major flawed ideas (and made by a team that had clearly lost their passion for the project when the big company execs shoehorned an unrelated IP into their game).  Did everyone skip out between Conker and SFA or is this revisionist history to defend the all-mighty infallible Nintendo.  All I get is vague answers.  Who left and when?  And no, don't point out DK64 and say "that game sucked" to defend yourself because Rare still released awesome games, including Perfect Dark, after DK64.

To me it seems like Nintendo sold off the company that almost single-handedly kept the N64 afloat in North America because their consistently great and successful games were often delayed even though Nintendo themselves always did that anyway.  And while Rare sucked with Microsoft, that's the point.  They sucked with Microsoft.  The Nintendo/Rare collaboration was what created the magic.

I look at the Rare sale as Nintendo pretty much signing the Cube's death certificate.  Okay so we're going in with the image that we're some kiddy company and the only cool stuff we got is Rare and Zelda.  So let's sell Rare and turn Zelda into a cartoon and then act completely befuddled when the system underperforms.

Did Star Fox Adventures suck because Rare had lost it or because Nintendo meddled with it in a way I would expect out of Activision or EA?  Hell the game came out around the same time Rare was sold.  The sale didn't happen overnight.  Is it possible that the impending sale could have had some effect on the SFA team's work?  You start off with this ambitious N64 game and then you have to move it to another system and then some meddling exec (ironically a fellow game designer) sabotages your whole creative vision and insists you insert an unrelated IP (with ridiculous gameplay elements like the Arwing levels that would naturally have to be thrown in) and this is all happening while there is talk that your company might be sold to someone else.  Could there be a less inspiring work environment?  Dinosaur Planet was likely ruined by outside factors.

its not so much that they left all at once, but they are 80% gone now. First Free Radicals left so no more Goldeneye/PD team, then slowly more people left, and finally the stampers themselves left.

but back to the wishing Rare would come back. I think i mentioned earlier, but its worth mentioning again...Microsoft posted their first quarterly loss ever, and a good Hollywood accounting way for making that as if it never happened is to sell some IPs that don't make them much money. They might make more money selling those IPs then holding on to them. If their long term global domination goals are to be believed, then they will get them back in the long run anyhow.

You do realize that that loss was due to a write off so it doesn't mean anything in the long run and they made 7billion in profits with 16billion in revenue. That and microsoft is looking are to what people are looking to what could be there most profitable holiday season ever with multiple product launches. That and if Nintendo has a good change or chunk accumulated and apple has a warchest I. The billions hownmuch money do you think Microsoft has.

That ans Microsoft aren't known for selling IP. They usually lisence it to other companies to use.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 21, 2012, 10:28:06 AM
SFA was indeed crap, but it was a graphically stunning game on the GameCube. It's one of the only GCN games I've ever played that isn't plagued by aliasing issues.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 23, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
SFA was indeed crap, but it was a graphically stunning game on the GameCube. It's one of the only GCN games I've ever played that isn't plagued by aliasing issues.


I sure wish more 3DS games had anti-aliasing. The fucking N64 had anti-aliasing built in, so why don't all their newer systems have it?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 23, 2012, 10:58:27 PM
It's actually very taxing performance-wise, at least on older hardware.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 24, 2012, 07:38:34 PM
It's actually very taxing performance-wise, at least on older hardware.


If the N64 could do AA, then the GameCube and Wii can do it since they are more powerful.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 24, 2012, 08:04:54 PM
Didn't the Nintendo 64 have a specially designed graphics cheap that AA?  Perhaps that is why, and Nintendo decided that wasn't the best resource and did something different.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 24, 2012, 08:11:29 PM
It's actually very taxing performance-wise, at least on older hardware.


If the N64 could do AA, then the GameCube and Wii can do it since they are more powerful.

Your avatar could benefit from some AA.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on July 25, 2012, 11:57:07 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed Dinosaur Planet. I may have been initially disappointed that it was nothing like Lylat Wars(probably one of my favourite games) but it was still a great near launch title for the Gamecube. I don't really see where all the hate comes from.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 25, 2012, 12:50:01 PM
The problem is that it doesn't hold up too well, and it's a Zelda game, not a Star Fox game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on July 25, 2012, 02:03:38 PM
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Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on July 25, 2012, 02:15:22 PM
I wouldn't mind that all. The sooner the better for me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on July 25, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
October 1 is a Monday and the 1st day of Q4. October 7 is a possibility if this is to be believed unless Nintendo wants to pull the nostalgia card and launch 16 years after N64. In any case, that gives Nintendo plenty of time to start the hype train. It might not be smart to launch so close to Resident Evil 6 if they're not getting it at the same time.

I won't be buying a Wii U this year. I just spent an arm and testicle on new out of network eyeglasses. For anyone who is 3DS friends with me, my Mii is accurate.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 25, 2012, 05:14:35 PM
October 1 is a Monday and the 1st day of Q4. October 7 is a possibility if this is to be believed unless Nintendo wants to pull the nostalgia card and launch 16 years after N64. In any case, that gives Nintendo plenty of time to start the hype train. It might not be smart to launch so close to Resident Evil 6 if they're not getting it at the same time.

I won't be buying a Wii U this year. I just spent an arm and testicle on new out of network eyeglasses. For anyone who is 3DS friends with me, my Mii is accurate.


Hey can I add you to my 3DS? PM me your friend code if you'd like.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 25, 2012, 05:15:15 PM
WiiU releasing on or about October 1?
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They list the platform as "Nintendo Wii". Good way to confuse customers, Amazon.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on July 30, 2012, 01:35:30 PM
WiiU releasing on or about October 1?
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They list the platform as "Nintendo Wii". Good way to confuse customers, Amazon.

Jeez. Didn't CNN tell them that it's for the Wii add-on?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on July 30, 2012, 06:44:40 PM
The worst rumor ever. Good god, I don't even...

Smash Bros rumor.

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-next-smash-to-be-a-retro-throwback
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 30, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
Sounds BS to me, really hope this doesn't happen.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on July 30, 2012, 08:34:16 PM
I don't know that may be really fun.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on July 30, 2012, 10:03:47 PM
The worst rumor ever. Good god, I don't even...

Smash Bros rumor.

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-next-smash-to-be-a-retro-throwback (http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-next-smash-to-be-a-retro-throwback)


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Zeldainformer

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Seriously, don't ever post Zelda Informer rumors because they are always wrong.  They're not even like other rumor sites that have gotten some rumors right in the past, so what they say might be true.  Zelda Informer has never gotten anything rumors right at all in the history of the site.  They are nothing more then a joke site and don't deserve the attention they get from constantly making up false rumors.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 30, 2012, 11:02:15 PM
Well, you gotta give Zelda Informer credit for trying. Its not like there are a lot of "real" rumors in circulation at the moment, but they didn't let that stop them.... they just made rumors up. Sure, those rumors are almost certainly false, but anything is better than nothing, right? It gives people something to talk about where otherwise there would be nothing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on July 30, 2012, 11:48:55 PM
Well, you gotta give Zelda Informer credit for trying. Its not like there are a lot of "real" rumors in circulation at the moment, but they didn't let that stop them.... they just made rumors up. Sure, those rumors are almost certainly false, but anything is better than nothing, right? It gives people something to talk about where otherwise there would be nothing.

But if we know the rumors are false, there really isn't much to talk about.  If we're going to talk about things we already know are fake, then we might as well start making up our own false rumors on this site then.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 31, 2012, 12:02:09 AM
That's actually not a bad idea. Why don't we make up our own rumors?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 31, 2012, 12:14:31 AM
I've been trying to convince Neal that we should start doing that for a while, but so far he hasn't been on board with the idea.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 31, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
It would bring a lot more traffic to the site.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 31, 2012, 12:33:09 AM
RUMOR: Nintendo Close to Buying Epic Games, to Have Them Develop the Next Excitebots Game
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on July 31, 2012, 04:58:32 AM
My cousin's father's brother's son told me that Sony Allstar Battle Royal is going to include Mr Game and Watch

You heard it hear first.

Seriously, these made up rumour are pretty ridiculous this year. We have had:
Metroid Starfox Fusion Saga
Acid Ghost
Nintendo buying back Rare.

There's most likely some more I don't recall. I suppose a new console launch usually attracts bullshit artists.
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Post by: Shaymin on July 31, 2012, 06:00:16 AM
Capcom to be bought by Nintendo (e5)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on July 31, 2012, 09:31:01 AM
Capcom to be bought by Nintendo (e5)
Nintendo to be bought by Capcom.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on July 31, 2012, 12:05:57 PM
I like that retro SSB idea.  It would keep the two games distinct.  Now I'm going to be all disappointed when the 3DS SSB is really no different than the Wii U one.  What purpose is there for both to exist other than wanting one for each system?  That's like the lame Sony handheld approach, where the handhelds games are just scaled down console games made by b-team devs.  One thing that worked well in the past was that the handhelds were 2D and the consoles were 3D so the games were naturally distinct.  To maintain that they now have to make a deliberate effort to differentiate.  If they don't then we're going to get some redundant games.
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Post by: Tamazoid on July 31, 2012, 12:09:49 PM
Or maybe the 3DS game will be a fully fleshed out Sub Space Emissary .


 I doubt Nintendo will release the same game on two platforms, hell even NSMBU and NSMB2 are different. I don't think Nintendo will take the Sony approach.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on July 31, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
I like that retro SSB idea.  It would keep the two games distinct.  Now I'm going to be all disappointed when the 3DS SSB is really no different than the Wii U one.  What purpose is there for both to exist other than wanting one for each system?  That's like the lame Sony handheld approach, where the handhelds games are just scaled down console games made by b-team devs.  One thing that worked well in the past was that the handhelds were 2D and the consoles were 3D so the games were naturally distinct.  To maintain that they now have to make a deliberate effort to differentiate.  If they don't then we're going to get some redundant games.

Dude, we haven't even seen any footage or screens of either games yet and you're already declaring them a rehash of each other?  Have you ran out of current games to complain about so now your complaining about games that haven't even been offically shown yet?

Plus Sakurai already said both versions will be different making your complaints even more baseless.
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Post by: noname2200 on July 31, 2012, 04:32:07 PM
Or maybe the 3DS game will be a fully fleshed out Sub Space Emissary .

*shiver*

Don't even joke!
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 31, 2012, 06:57:47 PM
It wasn't great, but SSE wasn't that bad.
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Post by: Evan_B on July 31, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
It wasn't great, but SSE wasn't that bad.
This. It's not the most amazing platforming adventure game, but it does what it was supposed to do well enough. At least it was a fresh take on the "fighting games having a story" idea.

BTW, I hear Zelda Wii U is coming next year and is called "Clockwork King".
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 31, 2012, 11:29:48 PM
Rumor has it: he's the only I'm leaving you for.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 31, 2012, 11:55:37 PM
Plus Sakurai already said both versions will be different

Wouldn't this statement from Sakurai give some credence to the Zelda Informer rumor?
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Post by: Luigi Dude on August 01, 2012, 01:12:58 AM
Wouldn't this statement from Sakurai give some credence to the Zelda Informer rumor?

No because we know Zelda Informer is a site that makes up sh!t.  Sakura's statements come from a real interview.

http://andriasang.com/comw97/iwata_asks_smash_bros/

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Specifically, Sakurai feels that a portable system makes the game a more "individual" experience in that, compared to a console, it's easier to make players attached to the data that they've built up and collected. The fact that you're carrying the hardware with you makes for a more personal experience.

The difficulty here is that the current Smash Bros. games haven't relied on rewards, collecting money or raising your character's level. There's no element of gaining experience to make your character stronger, Iwata noted.

Adding the notion of experience would pose a dilmena, explained Sakurai, as there are some players who would get into such a game, while others would not like it. Iwata added that placing a focus on experience would also make the game lose its instant play quality.

What Sakurai hopes to do is have the 3DS version of Smash Bros. allow players to build up their character through battle and rewards, then take their custom character to the Wii U version to face off against everyone. He feels it could be nice if they can make the "personal" portable space and the stadium-like "public" console space mesh together.

Iwata summed it the basic idea nicely: players would spend time on the 3DS version, building up their character and collecting stuff, then show off their skills on the Wii U version.

This right hear is all we currently know about the 3DS version.
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Post by: Caterkiller on August 01, 2012, 01:26:54 AM
Plus Sakurai already said both versions will be different

Wouldn't this statement from Sakurai give some credence to the Zelda Informer rumor?

Your logic to everything is coocoocaca. Everything.

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Post by: ShyGuy on August 04, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
This isn't directly related to Wii U, but I thought this was an interesting tidbit from Valve about porting a game to a new platform

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Running Left 4 Dead 2 on Windows 7 with Direct3D drivers, we get 270.6 FPS as a baseline. The data is generated from an internal test case.

When we started with Linux, the initial version we got up and running was at 6 FPS. This is typical of an initial successful port to a new platform.

Then they optimized it for the platform.

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After this work, Left 4 Dead 2 is running at 315 FPS on Linux.

That's why I have a hard time taking criticisms seriously from anonymous developers porting their games to Wii U.

http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/ (http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/)
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 04, 2012, 06:17:26 PM
Linux has games now? I've been following Linux off and on since about 1998 when I first heard about it, and it always seemed like Linux's big break was just around the corner, but it just never quite got there...
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 04, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Linux has always had games.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 05, 2012, 12:38:27 AM
Linux has always had games.
Now it's going to have steam which should be pretty big.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 05, 2012, 08:05:54 AM
I am using Linux Mint Maya as I write this.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 05, 2012, 10:35:03 AM
That's what I run. Do you get the cinnamon or mate version?
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 05, 2012, 12:14:34 PM
That's what I run. Do you get the cinnamon or mate version?

Cinnamon, I think... whatever the Gnome one is.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 05, 2012, 04:06:20 PM
They're both Gnome. One is Gnome 2.x, on is Gnome 3.x Welcome to the confusing world of Linux!
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Post by: Shaymin on August 05, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
So are we excluding WINE* from this discussion?

*WINE Is Not an Emulator
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 05, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
It's called Wine now.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 06, 2012, 08:06:55 AM
How is Wine not an emulator? Isn't an "emulator" EXACTLY what it is?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 06, 2012, 09:28:16 AM
Because it doesn't emulate anything. Emulators let you "pretend" you're using a different machine, you emulate the hardware. With Wine you are not emulating a Windows PC, you're basically using a middle man of sorts to run Windows software on a non-Windows-running machine.
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Post by: Ceric on August 06, 2012, 10:26:41 AM
Yeah, Wine is like using the terminology from McDonalds to order food from Burger King.  It just steps in the middle and goes "Hey this translates to this".
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 06, 2012, 10:28:45 AM
That's probably the best analogy for anything, ever.
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Post by: marty on August 06, 2012, 11:13:17 AM
Yeah, Wine is like using the terminology from McDonalds to order food from Burger King.  It just steps in the middle and goes "Hey this translates to this".
That's probably the best analogy for anything, ever.
pretty much
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 06, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
But in order to be that middle-man, doesn't Wine have to trick the programs into thinking they are running on Windows even though they are not? That seems to kinda fit the definition of emulate. Maybe the serious business stuff isn't being emulated, but the go between stuff is still emulated, right?
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Post by: Tamazoid on August 06, 2012, 12:19:04 PM
From Wikipedia:
"Wine is a compatibility layer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibility_layer). It duplicates functions of a Windows computer by providing alternative implementations of the DLLs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic-link_library) that Windows programs call, and a process to substitute for the Windows NT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT). This method of duplication differs from other methods that might also be considered emulation, where Windows programs run in a virtual machine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine).Wine is predominantly written using black-box testing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-box_testing) reverse-engineering, to avoid copyright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright) issues.



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Post by: Enner on August 07, 2012, 05:33:19 AM
Quote from: http://wiiudaily.com/2012/08/ea-origin-wii-u/
A rumor has been spreading on the web that suggests publisher EA and Nintendo tried to work out a deal for Wii U online component. Reportedly, Nintendo was in talks with several third parties to improve the Wii U’s online capabilities, and EA was one of them. However, the talks broke down when EA wanted all of Wii U’s online network — including the Nintendo Network — to be run through its Origin system. As expected, Nintendo walked out of the negotiations after such outrageous demands by EA.

Well, looks like that fell through. Better for Nintendo to not give the keys to the Wii U online kingdom to a third party.
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Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2012, 09:02:54 AM
If I was Nintendo I walk out too.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 07, 2012, 09:54:59 AM
Good to see that Nintendo refuses to negotiate with terrorists.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 07, 2012, 09:57:27 AM
I'm glad Nintendo didn't cede that much control to EA, but I'd bet the system EA would have put in place would have been better and more full-featured than what we'll get.
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Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2012, 10:08:14 AM
I'm glad Nintendo didn't cede that much control to EA, but I'd bet the system EA would have put in place would have been better and more full-featured than what we'll get.
Probably, but as an American I fully understand fighting to the death to be allow to make hard and difficult choices that I'm not qualified to make in my life.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 07, 2012, 02:26:46 PM
I'm glad Nintendo didn't cede that much control to EA, but I'd bet the system EA would have put in place would have been better and more full-featured than what we'll get.
Maybe, but I'm still hoping something is worked out similar to Portal 2 on PS3 where you bought the PS3 version, you get a Steam copy for free.  It'd be where you buy a copy of Mass Effect 3 on Wii U and you get an Origin copy for free and you can link your Nintendo account with Origin.  I'd love to see something like that.  Maybe it's not feasible to include cross network play but that would be awesome as well.

I'm just hoping the talks aren't completely done and EA and Nintendo find a way to work together with their online networks in some capacity.
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Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2012, 02:37:22 PM
I'm glad Nintendo didn't cede that much control to EA, but I'd bet the system EA would have put in place would have been better and more full-featured than what we'll get.
Maybe, but I'm still hoping something is worked out similar to Portal 2 on PS3 where you bought the PS3 version, you get a Steam copy for free.  It'd be where you buy a copy of Mass Effect 3 on Wii U and you get an Origin copy for free and you can link your Nintendo account with Origin.  I'd love to see something like that.  Maybe it's not feasible to include cross network play but that would be awesome as well.

I'm just hoping the talks aren't completely done and EA and Nintendo find a way to work together with their online networks in some capacity.
I rather that work the other way because I have an Origin Copy >,> <.<
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 07, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
I'm glad Nintendo didn't cede that much control to EA, but I'd bet the system EA would have put in place would have been better and more full-featured than what we'll get.
Probably, but as an American I fully understand fighting to the death to be allow to make hard and difficult choices that I'm not qualified to make in my life.

You don't have that choice on others really. Every game on Xbox 360 (except EA) runs trough Microsoft. Sony is the same way with PS3 (with minor exceptions). The only difference here is that EA would be doing it rather than Nintendo themselves.
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Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2012, 05:24:39 PM
I'm glad Nintendo didn't cede that much control to EA, but I'd bet the system EA would have put in place would have been better and more full-featured than what we'll get.
Probably, but as an American I fully understand fighting to the death to be allow to make hard and difficult choices that I'm not qualified to make in my life.

You don't have that choice on others really. Every game on Xbox 360 (except EA) runs trough Microsoft. Sony is the same way with PS3 (with minor exceptions). The only difference here is that EA would be doing it rather than Nintendo themselves.
But all your examples the platform holder is also running the service.  The EA deal would be like letting the company you work for dictate where you take your vacation and what you eat.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 07, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
Which is what I even said in that statement. It would be the same thing, but just EA doing it rather than Nintendo themselves.
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Post by: Kairon on August 07, 2012, 07:58:22 PM
Which is what I even said in that statement. It would be the same thing, but just EA doing it rather than Nintendo themselves.

It wouldn't be the same thing to Nintendo. And it wouldn't be the same thing to other third parties on the Nintendo platform.
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Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2012, 08:21:39 PM
Which is what I even said in that statement. It would be the same thing, but just EA doing it rather than Nintendo themselves.
There some context missing. Did you mean:

A) If EA had there own Platform
B) If EA ran the Nintendo Network

A my statement doesn't work and it wasn't intended for.  B is what it was intended for.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 07, 2012, 08:34:05 PM
I guess it's all a moot point regardless.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 09, 2012, 01:28:33 PM
Which is what I even said in that statement. It would be the same thing, but just EA doing it rather than Nintendo themselves.

It wouldn't be the same thing to Nintendo. And it wouldn't be the same thing to other third parties on the Nintendo platform.
True, but if EA ran the Nintendo Network, don't you think the EA games on the Wii U will get better features?
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Post by: Kairon on August 09, 2012, 03:59:20 PM
Which is what I even said in that statement. It would be the same thing, but just EA doing it rather than Nintendo themselves.

It wouldn't be the same thing to Nintendo. And it wouldn't be the same thing to other third parties on the Nintendo platform.
True, but if EA ran the Nintendo Network, don't you think the EA games on the Wii U will get better features?

And maybe Activision, Ubisoft, Squaresoft, and etc. would get worse features?
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 09, 2012, 07:36:45 PM
Which is what I even said in that statement. It would be the same thing, but just EA doing it rather than Nintendo themselves.

It wouldn't be the same thing to Nintendo. And it wouldn't be the same thing to other third parties on the Nintendo platform.
True, but if EA ran the Nintendo Network, don't you think the EA games on the Wii U will get better features?

And maybe Activision, Ubisoft, Squaresoft, and etc. would get worse features?
Maybe.  Never said I was for it.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 09, 2012, 07:40:45 PM
Third parties don't need any more excuses not to support Nintendo hardware (I'm sure they'll find enough of those on their own). So its good that EA won't have the online thing lock, stock, and barrel, because if they did every other company which isn't EA would have that as yet another excuse to not support Nintendo.
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Post by: Anth0ny on August 10, 2012, 01:33:14 AM
 GameStop NA Wii U Promotion Officially Begins August 13th
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Images of a GameStop Wii U advertisement have been circulating the internet today, and we now have confirmation of the “official” plans for the promotion. Since I have good relations with GameStop management, I can confirm that these are official Nintendo-made advertisements that are intended to go on display in GameStop stores on August 13th (though some stores may obviously have put theirs up early).
 
 I can also confirm that there is currently no SKU in the GameStop system for a Wii U pre-order, but I’m told it is likely that pre-orders will begin the same day or shortly after. With in-store advertising and official pre-orders just around the corner, it seems as though we’ve gotten our first sign that Nintendo will soon release the big news we’ve all been waiting for: Wii U’s price, release date, and other official launch details.
Source: http://gengame.net/2012/08/gamestop-na-wii-u-promotion-officially-begins-august-13th/


Can we expect a surprise Nintendo Direct on August 13th? I kinda doubt it since it's pre 3DS XL launch in North America, but we'll see.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 11, 2012, 12:42:52 AM
I think the next Nintendo Direct will be broadcast about 1 week after NSMB2 and the 3DS XL have launched. That will give those products some time to be in the spotlight before Nintendo hypes up the Wii U launch.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on August 11, 2012, 01:29:22 AM
Since Nintendo will probably have their big Wii U conference in September, I doubt we'll get another Nintendo Direct until after that.  Nintendo's going to wait until they have a big audience with the media at their September conference to finally reveal the price and release date for the Wii U as well as reveal more games coming out on the system.

If we do get a Nintendo Direct this month it'll just be for upcoming 3DS games coming out this Fall since the September conference will probably be all about the Wii U so they might want to get 3DS info out of the way before that.  That's the only way I see a Nintendo Direct happening before the big conference.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 11, 2012, 03:33:34 AM
Resident Evil 6 will be announced as a Wii U launch title. Capcom has had more than enough time to port it over and tack in motion controls. If this happens then I will buy the Wii U for sure.
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Post by: Kairon on August 11, 2012, 03:39:24 AM
Resident Evil 6 will be announced as a Wii U launch title. Capcom has had more than enough time to port it over and tack in motion controls. If this happens then I will buy the Wii U for sure.

I'll only believe it if Caterkiller tells me to.
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Post by: MysticGohan on August 11, 2012, 05:14:38 AM
Caterkiller, please tell him! Make it up if you have to, just because he'll listen to you lol.
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Post by: shingi_70 on August 11, 2012, 10:31:26 AM
Glad Nintendo didn't get in bed with EA. One of the biggest mistakes Microsoft ever made was getting rid of the XSN sports games and letting EA use their own servers instead of Microsoft's. Probably the biggest thing I dislike about pan and hopefully the Wii U nonlinear system isn't like that. Rather have nintendo handle all that but like Sony that probably wont happen.

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Post by: Caterkiller on August 11, 2012, 11:51:46 AM
Hahaha, you guys are silly.

When BlackNMild was in town we talked about RE6 every day. If I remember correctly when he was talking with people behind the scenes at E3 the prospect of it coming to Wii U was discussed, but nothing confirmed.

My bet? It will come out for Wii U. Only a guess though.

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Post by: MysticGohan on August 11, 2012, 05:36:27 PM
Hahaha, you guys are silly.

When BlackNMild was in town we talked about RE6 every day. If I remember correctly when he was talking with people behind the scenes at E3 the prospect of it coming to Wii U was discussed, but nothing confirmed.

My bet? It will come out for Wii U. Only a guess though.



That's an almost Semi-Confirmed RE6 coming to Wii U straight from Cata ;)
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Post by: BlkPaladin on August 15, 2012, 02:33:57 PM
For those who are wondering about the possible achievement/trophy system the WiiU has optionally in place. I guess Ubisoft hinted at it plans in the GamesCon promo videos for Rabbid Land and and Sports Connection. In Sports Connection it is a corny display but if you watch the couch in the Rabbid's trailer there are a pile of trophies that slowly build up on the right.

Sports Connection Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GGFFkWZ-tWU

Rabbids Land:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SzU8MJRULOY

EDIT: ok they work.
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Post by: Mannypon on August 15, 2012, 04:35:49 PM
That sports connection actually doesn't look too bad.  If its anything like wii sports and provides me with more than just 18 holes of golf and online play, I'm there.  I loved wii sports golf and only wished there were more holes and online tournaments. 
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Post by: BlkPaladin on August 16, 2012, 07:57:46 AM
Here is soemthing else from GamesCon it seem the title Cars will have what they are calling Wii U accomplishments and are on the same chart as the 360's game score and PS3 trophies.

http://mynintendonews.com/2012/08/16/wii-u-to-have-achievement-system-called-wii-u-accomplishments/#comment-282255
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2012, 08:01:04 AM
I think every multiplatform Wii U game will have these since the developer already put the effort in to create them for the Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 versions. Platform exclusive games might not always since the rumor was Nintendo would make it optional. I love achievements, so I hope this is true.
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Post by: BlkPaladin on August 16, 2012, 08:38:45 AM
Well it is my conjecture seeing these three things that each game that supports it will give you some short of trinkets for the various accomplishments in the game. For example: Sport Connection trophies look a little like Heismans and the ones in the Rabbids look like gold cups with a R forged in them.

And you can pick and choose which ones you want to display in the MiiVerse, much like the trophy system on the PS3, and they will be handled in the simular way to what the Mii's do on the 3DS greet the person say something about them and show their accomplishments.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 16, 2012, 01:04:44 PM
Will Nintendo put this accomplishment system on the 3DS as well?  It seems like it'd be a good idea.
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Post by: Caterkiller on August 16, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
If these accomplishments are a part of the Miiverse system, I think once it hits the 3DS the street pass accomplishments will get expanded into future titles.
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Post by: Evan_B on August 16, 2012, 03:00:15 PM
I hope that the 3DS gets accomplishments. I'm a little upset Kid Icarus' rewards system isn't something I can show off... :(

But, wouldn't this technically apply to the Nintendo Network and Miiverse? If you can link your 3DS to Miiverse, I don't see why 3DS accomplishments shouldn't be recorded.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 17, 2012, 03:33:18 AM
Integrated Circle Pads and an Accomplishments system are two things Nintendo needs to put into the 3DS ASAP.
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Post by: Evan_B on August 17, 2012, 03:59:59 AM
Integrated Circle Pads and an Accomplishments system are two things Nintendo needs to put into the 3DS ASAP.
The latter, perhaps. But not the former.
Title: Pre-E3 Rumored Wii U Specs Confirmed?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2012, 01:15:19 AM
Wii U Pre E3 Spec Leak Confirmed!?


(http://i50.tinypic.com/xkwz9u.jpg)

What leak is he talking about? Well, It's one I might not have posted about (I'll have to go back and look) as I was @ Caterkiller's house getting FREE Wushu lessons and using what I learned to avoid hollywood homeless and hookers on the street....

But these are the specs that were leased just prior to E3:
http://www.vgleaks.com/world-premiere-wii-u-specs/ (http://www.vgleaks.com/world-premiere-wii-u-specs/)
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Hardware Features

Main Application Processor

PowerPC architecture.
Three cores (fully coherent).
3MB aggregate L2 Cache size.
core 0: 512 KB
core 1: 2048 KB
core 2: 512 KB
Write gatherer per core.
Locked (L1d) cache DMA per core.


Main Memory

Up to 3GB of main memory (CAT-DEVs only). Note: retail machine will have half devkit memory
Please note that the quantity of memory available from the Cafe SDK and Operating System may vary.
Graphics and Video


Modern unified shader architecture.
32MB high-bandwidth eDRAM, supports 720p 4x MSAA or 1080p rendering in a single pass.
HDMI and component video outputs.
Features

Unified shader architecture executes vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders
Multi-sample anti-aliasing (2, 4, or 8 samples per pixel)
Read from multi-sample surfaces in the shader
128-bit floating point HDR texture filtering
High resolution texture support (up to 8192 x 8192)
Indexed cube map arrays


8 render targets
Independent blend modes per render target
Pixel coverage sample masking
Hierarchical Z/stencil buffer
Early Z test and Fast Z Clear
Lossless Z & stencil compression
2x/4x/8x/16x high quality adaptive anisotropic filtering modes
sRGB filtering (gamma/degamma)
Tessellation unit
Stream out support
Compute shader support
GX2 is a 3D graphics API for the Nintendo Wii U system (also known as Cafe). The API is designed to be as efficient as GX(1) from the Nintendo GameCube and Wii systems. Current features are modeled after OpenGL and the AMD r7xx series of graphics processors. Wii U’s graphics processor is referred to as GPU7.


Sound and Audio

Dedicated 120MHz audio DSP.
Support for 6 channel discrete uncompressed audio (via HDMI).
2 channel audio for the Cafe DRC controller.
Monaural audio for the Cafe Remote controller.


Networking

802.11 b/g/n Wifi.
Peripherals

2 x USB 2.0 host controllers x 2 ports each.
SDCard Slot.
Built-in Storage

512MB SLC NAND for System.
8GB MLC NAND for Applications.
Host PC Bridge

Dedicated Cafe-to-host PC bridge hardware.
Allows File System emulation by host PC.
Provides interface for debugger and logging to host PC.

Just remember that some of these specs can still change at the last minute, such as the final amount of RAM in the system, which is rumored to be upto 2GB (not including the separate OS mem?).
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Post by: ThePerm on August 19, 2012, 01:31:11 AM
i really need to plan a trip to hang out with caterkiller hahah, or plan a trip to get him to come over here.
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Post by: Enner on August 19, 2012, 01:56:37 AM
2 USB ports? Ah, I guess that's enough as the most you'll want is a USB HDD and maybe either a keyboard or a USB LAN adapter.

The AMD r7xx series means the Wii U will sport similar graphics tech that I got nearly 4 years ago for my desktop PC. The Wii U will probably perform better than the Diamond video card I bought on impulse.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 19, 2012, 02:00:41 AM
Unfortunately that still doesn't give us clock speeds.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 19, 2012, 02:01:16 AM
two USB controllers with two ports each, for four ports total.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2012, 02:11:25 AM
Unfortunately that still doesn't give us clock speeds.

Clock speeds and RAM amounts are the last things to get locked down. They can tweak those right up till the final stages pre actual production
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 19, 2012, 02:27:28 AM
I'd like to know the amount of shaders too. the AMD R7XX series PC cards can range from 80 to 800 streams.
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Post by: Tamazoid on August 19, 2012, 02:29:27 AM
http://www.vg247.com/2012/08/17/metroid-team-ninja-wants-to-work-with-nintendo-again-hayashi/ (http://www.vg247.com/2012/08/17/metroid-team-ninja-wants-to-work-with-nintendo-again-hayashi/)

Hayashi (Team Ninja) wants to have another go at Metroid, he has kept in touch with Sakamoto apparently.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 19, 2012, 05:14:13 AM
http://www.vg247.com/2012/08/17/metroid-team-ninja-wants-to-work-with-nintendo-again-hayashi/ (http://www.vg247.com/2012/08/17/metroid-team-ninja-wants-to-work-with-nintendo-again-hayashi/)

Hayashi (Team Ninja) wants to have another go at Metroid, he has kept in touch with Sakamoto apparently.

OH PLEASE GOD NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!111111
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 19, 2012, 09:05:58 AM
Unfortunately that still doesn't give us clock speeds.

Clock speeds and RAM amounts are the last things to get locked down. They can tweak those right up till the final stages pre actual production
For a release this year They should be locked by this time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on August 19, 2012, 10:09:14 AM
http://www.vg247.com/2012/08/17/metroid-team-ninja-wants-to-work-with-nintendo-again-hayashi/ (http://www.vg247.com/2012/08/17/metroid-team-ninja-wants-to-work-with-nintendo-again-hayashi/)

Hayashi (Team Ninja) wants to have another go at Metroid, he has kept in touch with Sakamoto apparently.
Absolutely fantastic. I welcome it with open arms. I'd love to see that team have another go at making a Metroid title - this time correcting any mistakes made from the first game's development. A bit more backtracking, take away the pixel hunts, and I think we could see a great Metroid game come out of the whole ordeal.

Honestly, you lot who hate on Other M are morons. :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on August 19, 2012, 11:19:02 AM
No USB 3.0 or thunderbolt. Why cant nintendo go with the two ports that are going to be on pretty much every computer next year and are going to be on all high end machines when the win8 machines launch.

Beyond that and no built in HDD/SDD or a bigger amount of flash memory I'm cool with the specs thus far.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 19, 2012, 12:10:01 PM
Because the Wii U isn't a computer, and no one will give a **** about thunderbolt and USB 3.0.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 19, 2012, 01:15:17 PM
If they want us to load whole games off an external hard drive then USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt would definitely be preferable to USB 2.0.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on August 19, 2012, 01:39:56 PM
Because the Wii U isn't a computer, and no one will give a **** about thunderbolt and USB 3.0.

Seeing as by nextyear most hdds/SSds are going to be usb3 only itwould make sense to use that format.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2012, 02:50:10 PM
Because the Wii U isn't a computer, and no one will give a **** about thunderbolt and USB 3.0.

But isn't USB 2.0 already faster than your normal bluray drive?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 19, 2012, 04:57:40 PM
What's Thunderbolt? Is it anything like that failed Firewire tech from the early 2000's?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on August 19, 2012, 05:35:04 PM
What's Thunderbolt? Is it anything like that failed Firewire tech from the early 2000's?

 http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/

And firewaire wasn't a failure. There is a big difference in being a consumer standard than being a industry standard. Firewire was widely used in the photography/film industries and is just now being slowly phased out.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 19, 2012, 05:47:05 PM
What's Thunderbolt? Is it anything like that failed Firewire tech from the early 2000's?

 http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/ (http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/)

And firewaire wasn't a failure. There is a big difference in being a consumer standard than being a industry standard. Firewire was widely used in the photography/film industries and is just now being slowly phased out.


Apple and Intel created Thunderbolt? So it's like a new version of USB that will most-likely only be on Macs. Cause I highly doubt Apple wants to license their tech to other manufacturers. Look at how stingy they are with iOS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on August 19, 2012, 05:59:22 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

Apple doesn't own the tech. They just helped in development and marketing of it. Its no different that. Intel teaming with Microsoft to make Ultrabooks.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 19, 2012, 06:08:28 PM
2 USB ports on the Wii U is exactly enough to be able to plug in a USB hard drive that requires 2 USB ports. Too bad if you want to be able to plug anything else in, though. Is it really too much to ask to have at least 4 ports?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2012, 06:15:10 PM
2 USB ports on the Wii U is exactly enough to be able to plug in a USB hard drive that requires 2 USB ports. Too bad if you want to be able to plug anything else in, though. Is it really too much to ask to have at least 4 ports?

There are 4 USB ports on the Wii U.... so no, it's not too much to ask.

(2 in the front & 2 in the back)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on August 19, 2012, 06:16:23 PM
2 USB ports on the Wii U is exactly enough to be able to plug in a USB hard drive that requires 2 USB ports. Too bad if you want to be able to plug anything else in, though. Is it really too much to ask to have at least 4 ports?

*sigh*

Would you care to re-read the specs? Or Shyguy's previous post? Or just look at Nintendo's already announced number of USB ports the things has?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on August 19, 2012, 07:22:39 PM
Unfortunately that still doesn't give us clock speeds.

Clock speeds and RAM amounts are the last things to get locked down. They can tweak those right up till the final stages pre actual production
For a release this year They should be locked by this time.
Minimum is probably known already.  It's one reason games in the first year usually look worse than games in years 2-5 of a system.  The games made in the first year are using the minimum specs to make sure their game will run no matter what on launch day.  Once they find out that Nintendo upped the ram by 512MB and upped the clock a bit, they will push the next game even further.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 19, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
2 USB ports on the Wii U is exactly enough to be able to plug in a USB hard drive that requires 2 USB ports. Too bad if you want to be able to plug anything else in, though. Is it really too much to ask to have at least 4 ports?

*sigh*

Would you care to re-read the specs? Or Shyguy's previous post? Or just look at Nintendo's already announced number of USB ports the things has?

Okay, my bad. It was 2 USB controllers not two USB ports. So each controller provides 2 ports for 4 ports total. I guess that's reasonable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on August 19, 2012, 11:30:38 PM
His desire to see the Wii U fail is blinding him!
Title: uMote operates @ 30yrds !!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 20, 2012, 01:13:07 AM
uMote operates @ 30 yds!!??

According to a GAF user who spoke to a Nintendo Tech Ninja @ a recent event, that is exactly what the uMote is capable of in an unobstructed environment.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41177845&postcount=17092
Quote from: Nostremitus @ NeoGAF
First off, the game pads were tethered, no luck testing distance, however I spoke to one of the actual Nintendo employees there Not the black shirted cheerleaders, the plain clothed guys who fixed the systems if there were to be any type of problem He told me that he had personally seen one work at 30 yards bit beyond that he couldn't say. He then specified that there were also no walls separating the game pad and system at the time, then added the standard anywhere in the living room line before stating that they always officially state a shorter range than what is technically possible because depending on their setup not everyone will achieve Max range. We then spoke of the wave bird functioning at double Nintendo's official range, but he would comment further...

so assuming what he was told (and is saying) it true, that's about 90 feet when unobstructed. That is quite impressive.
Assuming a drop down to 1/3 when obstruction is involved, most people will be able to play from many different rooms in their house, if not the entire house and then some. Very good news if you ask me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 20, 2012, 02:19:48 AM
So would it be possible to play a Wii U game on a Titantron from like half a mile away? Then thousands of people could watch you play on the same big screen, but the tiny controller screen would be for your eyes only.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 20, 2012, 10:04:24 AM
The Wavebird was rated at 30ft I believe, but it could pull off 100ft easily. Apples and Oranges, I know, but Nintendo has always had some impressive wireless controller tech.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on August 20, 2012, 10:45:10 AM
but but the controller is still tethered! Nintendo not understanding wireless technology confirmed.



Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 20, 2012, 04:31:16 PM
but but the controller is still tethered! Nintendo not understanding wireless technology confirmed.

Or maybe it's because they don't want people attending events to steal the Wii U GamePad, since the GamePad is wireless and we've known that for quite some time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 20, 2012, 11:27:34 PM
but but the controller is still tethered! Nintendo not understanding wireless technology confirmed.

Or maybe it's because they don't want people attending events to steal the Wii U GamePad, since the GamePad is wireless and we've known that for quite some time.

I think he forgot to use this

(http://i.imgur.com/8Tk0u.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlkPaladin on August 23, 2012, 03:31:13 AM
A little more on the accomplishments. I final was able to see a closer view of ZombieU's Gamescon build. It seems there is a pop up message on the right of the screen. It seems to have to do with MiiVerse since it pops up what others are doing in the game at them time. And sometimes there is a trophy like icon in the pop. (The feed usually is this person gets infected or kills their last avatar.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZvGfAfV0JM

Just a warning this person has a really slow start.
Title: An October Release Date?
Post by: Caterkiller on August 23, 2012, 07:22:19 PM
Cool video BlkPaladin, I actually jumped at one portion. I hope those are the accomplishments.


(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg7/scaled.php?server=7&filename=a1ahpjwcaaehkqn.jpg&res=landing)


From this coming saturdays Pach Attack.
http://twitter.com/#!/rohanlikespants/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FLj8YbChO (http://twitter.com/#!/rohanlikespants/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FLj8YbChO)


Uh buh bo...

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 23, 2012, 07:33:01 PM
Nintendo doesn't launch hardware on Thursdays.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on August 23, 2012, 08:36:22 PM
Have Nintendo released anything ever on Thursday? They seem to go with Sunday for big releases and Monday for small releases, then Tuesday for everything else.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 23, 2012, 08:37:30 PM
Nintendo doesn't launch hardware on Thursdays.

Nothing stays the same forever.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 23, 2012, 09:01:13 PM
Nintendo doesn't launch hardware on Thursdays.

Nothing stays the same forever.

There is zero reason to launch on a Thursday. And Pachter saying it means we KNOW it won't happen.

Mop it up, the Xbox launched on a Thursday (November 15, 2001). That was 3 days before GameCube launched. The Xbox 360 also launched on a Thursday (November 21, 2005). Nintendo doesn't though. Always Sunday or Tuesday (well, sometimes technically on a Saturday as come games would be released at the Nintendo World store on Saturday, then everywhere else the next day).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 23, 2012, 09:03:08 PM
It doesn't matter what the day is, people will buy things any day of the week.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 23, 2012, 09:36:32 PM
That's true, but Nintendo is a company that's very set in its ways, and they wouldn't move away from Sundays for hardware launches without a good reason. Pachter has proven time and again to know absolutely nothing about what Nintendo is going to do, so don't read anything into that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on August 23, 2012, 10:30:06 PM
Actually launching on a Thursday would be more reasonable IMO for a system launch than a Sunday, you'll get the entire weekend to play your new system vs just one day. 

Also, Thrusday/Fridays are usually pay days for the working stiff so that kinda helps as well. :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 23, 2012, 10:47:44 PM
Sundays are a day that almost everyone has off, and wont require you to miss school/work to get at midnight, making it ideal.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on August 24, 2012, 07:56:39 AM
Nintendo launches software and hardware on Thursdays in Australia. . .  .


Doubt Patcher is predicting the Australian Launch though.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 24, 2012, 08:21:21 AM
Nintendo launches software and hardware on Thursdays in Australia. . .  .


Doubt Patcher is predicting the Australian Launch though.

He might spin it that way later on so he doesn't look like an idiot, just like how since 2009 or so he was going on and on about how Nintendo was going to make an HD revision of the Wii, but it never happened, and now he's saying that the Wii U was this revision he had predicted... even though everyone knows that's not what he meant.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2012, 11:03:53 AM
I'm partially surprised Pachter has had something done on the forums with the filters.

It be nice if Nintendo would get off their high horse on Sunday's though.  That is a terrible release day.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on August 24, 2012, 01:27:38 PM
Oooh, a pre-Halloween releaase? Maybe a special Zombi-U bundle? Could be sweet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 24, 2012, 01:39:21 PM
It be nice if Nintendo would get off their high horse on Sunday's though.  That is a terrible release day.

As I explained though, it's actually not. It allows people to get it without having to miss work or school, and people can line up the night before without missing anything. Pretty much the only issue is if you plan to order it online since you will wait til Monday. I don't see any downside to a Sunday launch.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2012, 01:45:38 PM
It be nice if Nintendo would get off their high horse on Sunday's though.  That is a terrible release day.

As I explained though, it's actually not. It allows people to get it without having to miss work or school, and people can line up the night before without missing anything. Pretty much the only issue is if you plan to order it online since you will wait til Monday. I don't see any downside to a Sunday launch.
No, Its still terrible.  Simply being most people don't live by a store that sells videogames so you have to make a trip into town to pick it up.  The stores open later and close earlier.  The games have to be shipped there by Saturday anyway. Saturday be a much better day.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 24, 2012, 01:55:14 PM
Most people actually do live close to a game store, it's really just people in rural areas who don't (and that is a small percentage). How is Sunday worse than something like Tuesday, when most games and movies are released?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 01:59:30 PM
I live 25 minutes from the nearest video game retailer. Hell, I live 25 minutes away from anything.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 24, 2012, 02:00:27 PM
25 mins is not bad, it's pretty reasonable actually.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 02:02:31 PM
lol No it's not. In the state I live in we have the highest price of gas than anywhere else in the country.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 02:04:16 PM
Wow, you live in Washington! Do you shop at Yard Birds up the road?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 02:05:25 PM
...yes. And Sun Birds. But that too is still 25 minutes away. XD
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2012, 02:19:05 PM
Majority people live in Suburbs.  Which is really hit or miss on items like Videogames.  I'm not really fond of Tuesday either.  Thats why I mentioned Saturday.  Its an ideal balance.  Though at least Tuesday I can pick up things after work.

I did the math before on the cost for me to make a trip solely to pick-up a videogame at the absolute closest place to me that sells them.  I'm going to use the Government Mileage just for consistancy, $0.555/mile.  To make a trip with the sole purpose of picking up a Video Game it costs me Roundtrip $18.97, 44 miles.   That's easily a Digital release or a bargain on Steam.  That's a big part of why I'm looking forward to a Digital future if the price is right.  If I can buy the same game physically for say $10 cheaper, effectively a $9 mark up, all the extras you get with a physical copy may be worth it. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on August 24, 2012, 02:59:39 PM
Majority people live in Suburbs.  Which is really hit or miss on items like Videogames.  I'm not really fond of Tuesday either.  Thats why I mentioned Saturday.  Its an ideal balance.  Though at least Tuesday I can pick up things after work.

I did the math before on the cost for me to make a trip solely to pick-up a videogame at the absolute closest place to me that sells them.  I'm going to use the Government Mileage just for consistancy, $0.555/mile.  To make a trip with the sole purpose of picking up a Video Game it costs me Roundtrip $18.97, 44 miles.   That's easily a Digital release or a bargain on Steam.  That's a big part of why I'm looking forward to a Digital future if the price is right.  If I can buy the same game physically for say $10 cheaper, effectively a $9 mark up, all the extras you get with a physical copy may be worth it. 
Wow, you live that far away from a Walmart or Target?  You are not the majority with this.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2012, 03:06:17 PM
Majority people live in Suburbs.  Which is really hit or miss on items like Videogames.  I'm not really fond of Tuesday either.  Thats why I mentioned Saturday.  Its an ideal balance.  Though at least Tuesday I can pick up things after work.

I did the math before on the cost for me to make a trip solely to pick-up a videogame at the absolute closest place to me that sells them.  I'm going to use the Government Mileage just for consistancy, $0.555/mile.  To make a trip with the sole purpose of picking up a Video Game it costs me Roundtrip $18.97, 44 miles.   That's easily a Digital release or a bargain on Steam.  That's a big part of why I'm looking forward to a Digital future if the price is right.  If I can buy the same game physically for say $10 cheaper, effectively a $9 mark up, all the extras you get with a physical copy may be worth it. 
Wow, you live that far away from a Walmart or Target?  You are not the majority with this.
I can't fully believe that:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Walmart_footprint.png)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 03:15:41 PM
Wow, the West Coast is not Wal-Mart friendly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 24, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
Actually, it is very friendly. If you mean Nevada, about 70% of Nevada's population lives just in the Las Vegas area. The 2010 census shows that about 85% of the US population lives in about 3% of the country. Walmart has 9 locations in Montana, despite having only 998K people. Unless you live in a rural area, it's almost guaranteed you live within 15 miles of a Walmart. Add in Target, GameStop, and Best Buy and very few Americans don't live in a reasonable distance from a game store. Those that DO, probably live far from just about any nation chain (whether electronics related or not).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2012, 04:09:39 PM
I'm 3 miles from a Publix, Food Lion, McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Tractor Supply, Fred's, and Dollar General.

Though just using the 15 miles number that be 30 round trip and that still be $16.65.  You can buy Retro/grade every 18 miles traveled at goverment rates so, that's 9 miles from your home. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on August 24, 2012, 08:11:54 PM
Ceric's new title should be, "Does his math...and YOURS, too." :P

Intelligent guy, that Ceric is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on August 24, 2012, 08:55:02 PM
Ceric's new title should be, "Does his math...and YOURS, too." :P

Intelligent guy, that Ceric is.
He also seems to live far away from all other human establishments.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 24, 2012, 11:52:15 PM
lol No it's not. In the state I live in we have the highest price of gas than anywhere else in the country.

So you live in Hawaii?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on August 25, 2012, 02:31:06 AM
interesting wal-mart colonization chart. Also keep in mind western states are bigger and more sparsely populated except in urban areas. Like I live in Arizona for instance...and thats basically where the cities are.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on August 25, 2012, 03:26:38 AM
Connect the dots and you can see most of the major highways.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 25, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
lol No it's not. In the state I live in we have the highest price of gas than anywhere else in the country.

So you live in Hawaii?

LOL, good point. California is expensive, but Hawaii's average price is about 15 cents per gallon higher (even DC is slightly more than California).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2012, 01:06:53 PM
What's your guy's gas prices?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on August 25, 2012, 01:20:54 PM
LOL, good point. California is expensive, but Hawaii's average price is about 15 cents per gallon higher (even DC is slightly more than California).
DC is nowhere near California (http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx), especially after the Chevron refinery fire.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 25, 2012, 02:51:13 PM
interesting wal-mart colonization chart. Also keep in mind western states are bigger and more sparsely populated except in urban areas. Like I live in Arizona for instance...and thats basically where the cities are.


What part of Arizona? I live in Mesa, near Tempe.


And I'm surprised how often threads get derailed here. The mods over at GoNintendo and Nintendo Life would be banning people left and right for doing this. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2012, 03:52:25 PM
interesting wal-mart colonization chart. Also keep in mind western states are bigger and more sparsely populated except in urban areas. Like I live in Arizona for instance...and thats basically where the cities are.


What part of Arizona? I live in Mesa, near Tempe.


And I'm surprised how often threads get derailed here. The mods over at GoNintendo and NintendoLife would be banning people left and right for doing this.
It's the lack of News Tendo.  If there was actually a good amount of Rumors or Nintendo News Insano or UncleBob would probably come in and say "Hey, stick to the topic at hand."  They tend to be looser within the rules when it is a really slow news period.

Luckily, gas is "cheap" in Tennesee.  If it was West Coast prices with how little the pay is compared to the West Coast and how under developed the Public Transportation system is it be devastating to the Tennessee Economy. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 25, 2012, 06:14:49 PM
RUMOR: I heard that Gas prices are actually gonna go up again before this summer is over...
but that they will drop again right before the elections.

discuss. and stay on topic this time
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 25, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
And I'm surprised how often threads get derailed here. The mods over at GoNintendo and Nintendo Life would be banning people left and right for doing this. 

I don't see the point in banning people for that. Why not let the discussion go where it will? If people get upset about the derailment they can take steps to get it back on track. Especially in a thread like this, which is a fairly loose topic, it's best to let it go. Maybe somewhere like TalkBack, where you're responding to a specific topic, things should stay on topic a bit more, but I still wouldn't go as far as banning people for going against that.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on August 25, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
Forum topics are like reading wikipedia articles. Eventually you just end up at Hitler.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 26, 2012, 12:52:42 AM
Forum topics are like reading wikipedia articles. Eventually you just end up at Hitler.

The overwhelming majority of wikipedia articles I've read have nothing to do with Hitler. So I think that is a myth.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2012, 01:04:53 AM
I believe he was talking about clicking through links from article to article. There's a fun game that I think I originally learned about on these forums, where you click random article and have to navigate from that one to the one for Hitler in 5 clicks or fewer. More often than not, it's possible, unless you end up starting with a stub.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on August 26, 2012, 12:37:04 PM
I live in both Coolidge and Tucson Arizona, Right now Coolidge/Casa Grande is $3.3-$3.4. When I was in Tucson a month ago it was $3.19 at the Safeway on Broadway and Campbell. Apparently that is the cheapest gas price in the country.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2012, 01:06:56 PM
Florida last month was $2.95. Right now in WA it's $4.21.
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Post by: Disco Stu on August 26, 2012, 01:51:17 PM
I believe he was talking about clicking through links from article to article. There's a fun game that I think I originally learned about on these forums, where you click random article and have to navigate from that one to the one for Hitler in 5 clicks or fewer. More often than not, it's possible, unless you end up starting with a stub.


Haha, awesome.  I hadn't heard of that before.  I just got to Hitler in exactly five clicks starting at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_(spirit) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_(spirit)) (from there it was anime,Rankin/Bass,Red Baron,Germany,Hitler).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 26, 2012, 02:34:06 PM
Right now in WA it's $4.21.

Maybe some places, but the average in Washington state is $4.01
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Post by: noname2200 on August 26, 2012, 02:44:37 PM
Luckily, gas is "cheap" in Tennesee.  If it was West Coast prices with how little the pay is compared to the West Coast and how under developed the Public Transportation system is it be devastating to the Tennessee Economy.

Our public transit largely blows too. The only city around here where you can go without a car is San Francisco. So that $4+ a gallon kinda hurts.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 26, 2012, 03:18:47 PM
I believe he was talking about clicking through links from article to article. There's a fun game that I think I originally learned about on these forums, where you click random article and have to navigate from that one to the one for Hitler in 5 clicks or fewer. More often than not, it's possible, unless you end up starting with a stub.

Why does it have to be Hitler? The game would work just as well with any famous enough person, place, object, or thing. Its weird how out of the billions of things the game COULD be about, people choose Hitler.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2012, 03:40:57 PM
I seriously doubt it would work just as well with anyone else. Hitler's a good central point to the history of the 20th century, which is likely to be the most represented time period on the site, with far-reaching ties and a big enough name to be mentioned in lots of different articles. I don't think there's anyone else it would work nearly as well with.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 26, 2012, 03:58:15 PM
But isn't Hitler too easy then? Why not make it more of a challenge, and have let's say Albert Einstein or Gandhi or something. They were significant 20th century people too, but unlike Hitler they weren't evil.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2012, 07:02:14 PM
It might work well with Napoleon, but Hitler just has that reach. WWII was an incredibly important event for the 20th Century, and Germany is still kind of a big deal in the global economy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on August 26, 2012, 07:31:39 PM
It might work well with Napoleon, but Hitler just has that reach. WWII was an incredibly important event for the 20th Century, and Germany is still kind of a big deal in the global economy.

That doesn't have much to do with Hitler really. Germany was a big Global player in WWI too. They were left in shambles after WWII, the rebuilding took forever. Things didn't really pick up for Germany until they tore down the wall. Actually, the reson Germany didn't have prominence before the 1870's was because there was no Germany, just a bunch of little German speaking kingdoms.
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Post by: Kytim89 on August 26, 2012, 09:03:11 PM
I will attempt to try and get this thread back on topic:
 
Will the Wii U Game Pad be compatible with Wii games? If so, I suppose any Wii game that uses the CC Pro or the Wiimote in NES mode will be able to be played on the Game Pad. Games such as Galaxy and Skyward Sword will not be able to be played, but then again there is that IR sensor on the Game Pad, but the tiny screen is kind of a hinderance to game play.
 
Is Zombie U the Wii Sports of the Wii U?
 
Will Retro City Rampage be released for the Wii U? Will that game ever be released for that matter?
 
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Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2012, 09:07:11 PM
Is Zombie U the Wii Sports of the Wii U?

Why are you asking this of Zombi U instead of Nintendo Land?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on August 26, 2012, 09:12:45 PM
Zombi U might be the Red Steel of Wii U
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 26, 2012, 09:15:41 PM
How would ZombiU will like Wii Sports? It won't have the same mass market appeal, it won't be packed in, and it wont be most people's first exposure to playing with the game. If anything, I think that role will be Nintendo Land (hell, even Nintendo said that).
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Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2012, 10:50:53 PM
It might work well with Napoleon, but Hitler just has that reach. WWII was an incredibly important event for the 20th Century, and Germany is still kind of a big deal in the global economy.

That doesn't have much to do with Hitler really. Germany was a big Global player in WWI too. They were left in shambles after WWII, the rebuilding took forever. Things didn't really pick up for Germany until they tore down the wall. Actually, the reson Germany didn't have prominence before the 1870's was because there was no Germany, just a bunch of little German speaking kingdoms.

True, but a lot of things go through WWII or things related to it, at least in my experience. Plus, you can't fight Germany as a modern day power. It can't be hard to link the Euro Zone crisis, the EU, etc. My point was that you don't have to get to Hitler per se, just things that can get to him.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 26, 2012, 10:59:24 PM
I think ZombieU will be the Red Steel of the Wii launch titles.  An original game that is of average to above average quality, that is bought up by the masses for a unique Wii U launch experience.  It will make alot of money for Ubisoft and a sequel will be eventually made.  However, unlike Red Steel, I don't see the sequel of ZombieU being nearly as cool as the sequel to Red Steel was.

Nintendo Land will try to be the new Wii Sports, but I don't think it will work.  Wii Sports was amazing because it was the first game you moved to play a game and sports are the perfect games to represent the power of movement.  Nintendo Land doesn't have that immediate connection so it won't have the same impact.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2012, 11:04:26 PM
Zombi U was easily the best game on the system at E3. That game's really good, and should not be compared to Red Steel as much as it is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 27, 2012, 12:38:18 AM
It might work well with Napoleon, but Hitler just has that reach. WWII was an incredibly important event for the 20th Century, and Germany is still kind of a big deal in the global economy.

So again, its just because Hitler makes the game easy. Make it a challenge and use someone else. If its too hard to do it in 5 clicks, then make it 7 or 10 or whatever. You can do the game with any person or thing. It doesn't have to be Hitler. To me it sounds like the game is basically you just try to find Germany as quickly as possible, because its through that article that everyone gets to Hitler. That makes it too easy (in my opinion).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 27, 2012, 12:57:30 AM
Going through Germany's one way, but there are others. Basically any military related article can get to World War II in a couple clicks, and that's another way to get there. I don't understand why you're so opposed to using Hitler for this. Why make it longer than it needs to be?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MegaByte on August 27, 2012, 01:55:01 AM
The version I've seen has you getting to the "philosophy" page.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 27, 2012, 02:27:51 AM
Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, its very easy to cheat and edit in a link or two to get you there faster. Just like how Captain Kirk was able to win the Kobayashi Maru scenario by reprogramming the simulation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on August 27, 2012, 02:35:47 AM
Focus guys. -_-
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on August 27, 2012, 01:49:37 PM
@chozo...oh chozo (sigh)
 
Anyway, I am liking what I have seen and heard of ZombiU. I am skeptical, however, that it will be a deep experience. Seems arcade-y. Like the whole point is to survive as long as you can. Get killed, rinse and repeat.
 
I would like a story and an adventure to play but I am not hopeful about them being included.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 27, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
I would like a story and an adventure to play but I am not hopeful about them being included.
You need to get Assassin's Creed III if you want that.  It will by far have the most story and adventure of any launch game.  I'm still hoping that Ubisoft will release a collection of the other four games in the series on the Wii U as well.  I may just get it and replay these games.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on August 27, 2012, 02:24:23 PM
You need to get Assassin's Creed III if you want that.  It will by far have the most story and adventure of any launch game.  I'm still hoping that Ubisoft will release a collection of the other four games in the series on the Wii U as well.  I may just get it and replay these games.
Yes to all of this. I keep forgetting about AC3.
That bundle would be great, too. Heck, I'd settle for an AC1&2 bundle.
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 27, 2012, 06:02:59 PM
Mass Effect 3 as well.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 28, 2012, 12:18:49 AM
@chozo...oh chozo (sigh)
 
Anyway, I am liking what I have seen and heard of ZombiU. I am skeptical, however, that it will be a deep experience. Seems arcade-y. Like the whole point is to survive as long as you can. Get killed, rinse and repeat.
 
I would like a story and an adventure to play but I am not hopeful about them being included.

There is a story mode. I played one of the missions from it at E3.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: cubist on September 03, 2012, 08:03:44 PM
What happened to this thread?
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Post by: Disco Stu on September 03, 2012, 09:36:14 PM
What happened to this thread?


I'm guessing there will be rumors coming soon ahead of the Wii U press event next week, but we'll see.  The rumor mill's just dead at the moment I guess.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 03, 2012, 10:44:00 PM
I just checked Zeldainformer.com to see if there was any rumors I could find there to defibrilate this thread back to life, but couldn't find anything noteworthy. Usually BnM and Caterkiller post stuff, but I guess they got tired of it. I just wonder how they managed to dig up their scoop, when mere mortals like us can't seem to find anything.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 03, 2012, 10:56:01 PM
Most I could find is that Ubisoft's European website is listing the Wii U version of Just Dance 4 as an October release.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 03, 2012, 11:19:30 PM
I've been pulling 12 hour shifts for the last 3 months and doing projects after that around the house for the last 2 or 3 weeks.... I haven't had time to read the forums, much less dig up a rumor.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 03, 2012, 11:21:35 PM
It is possible that there will be games out before the system launches. You could buy GameCube games before the console was released in the US. I bought Wave Race: Blue Storm and Rogue Leader at least a week before the system came out here (and a Japanese GameCube with the region switch soldered in).
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Post by: Sarail on September 03, 2012, 11:33:00 PM
Most I could find is that Ubisoft's European website is listing the Wii U version of Just Dance 4 as an October release.
22 October release date, baby! ;)
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 04, 2012, 12:51:41 AM
I've seen rumors but most were nothing special. Still before E3 I had a man from Ubisoft in my house and a friend who was at GDC. Since then I've herd nothing, nor have I asked, hahaha. One of my wushu students is a developer for Team Fortress 2, but they don't know anything Nintendo related.

Oh but here is something interesting though not really new. A known developer who posts on Neogaf said something like uh....

Iherre

"checking platforms supported by UE4 ;)

(some surprises there)"

I know some folks there don't trust what I posted a while back but that got their hopes up. I just hope it's not the "RU4Real?" version. With the first game utilizing it Railsident Evil Crystal Cronicles.



One more thing. Brand New RPG from French developer might be in the works for Wii U.http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/09/03/developer-mentions-wii-u-for-unannounced-fantasy-medieval-rpg/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ymeegod on September 04, 2012, 12:22:46 PM
Leaked from an amazon listing:

Release date for WII U --11/11/12 (Sunday)
Price:  $250 barebones
$299--bundle 1
$350--bundle 2

Unknown what the bundles include?
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Post by: crashnnburn on September 04, 2012, 01:56:25 PM
I'm not sure if this has been addressed, but does anyone know if this WiiU will upscale Wii games to 1080p resolution? It shouldn't be hard because Wii games are technically HD just not more than 420p. I wish this feature would be available since I haven't played several games like Sin & Punishment, Xenoblade Chronicles, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Muramasa, Resident Evil 4 and others I can't remember for now.
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Post by: Ymeegod on September 04, 2012, 02:36:40 PM
Upscaling really doesn't make much of a difference.  Nintendo isnt' bothering to upscale WII games, but I do believe WII U games will be upscaled from 720P to 1080P (pikmin 3, batman, ect).

You can buy upscalers if you TV doesn't offer it but it's really not worth the cost unless you find it in a garage sale.

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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 04, 2012, 04:35:58 PM
You can buy upscalers if you TV doesn't offer it but it's really not worth the cost unless you find it in a garage sale.

Of all the things you might find at a garage sale, this one I don't think is very likely, and if you did find it it probably wouldn't work.
Title: Wii U Zelda Rumor
Post by: Caterkiller on September 04, 2012, 05:01:37 PM
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/)


Lots of info. Most likely fake. Though this source talked about nintendos social network and achievements before they were revealed. So who knows? Seriously though read it. It's super hype inducing and no Zelda could live up to this article.




Due  2014, first temple as big as hyrul field, etc.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 04, 2012, 05:27:38 PM
The funniest part of that Zelda preview is that the new game's graphics don't match with that video we saw last year.  So baiting and switching graphic styles is going to become a tradition for the series? ;)  At least I like the Skyward Sword look.

Though I realize something that's kind of a bummer.  Immediately upon reading this my mind starting playing armchair developer.  What Zelda fan doesn't start daydreaming about the next game and what ideas they want to see implemented?  I realize that when I start fashioning this stuff in my head, virtually no elements from the Wii and DS Zelda games are included.  It's like I cut off of Zelda at Twilight Princess and imagine a follow-up to that.  I'm not even doing this in a "formal" sort of way where I intentionally cut these newer titles off, there are just very few new ideas they introduced that I would put in my dream Zelda game.  I'm not at all in sync with Nintendo in regards to the Zelda series, which hurts my interest in any new Wii U Zelda game.  Oh and Metroid is the same way.
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Post by: Kairon on September 04, 2012, 05:38:40 PM
I'm pretty much 100% sure that the "dream Zelda game" I envision in my head is one that will NEVER happen.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 04, 2012, 06:22:53 PM
I'm pretty much 100% sure that the "dream Zelda game" I envision in my head is one that will NEVER happen.

You mean Zelda + Animal Crossing + a lot of random crying? :P
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Evan_B on September 04, 2012, 06:51:40 PM
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/ (http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/)


Lots of info. Most likely fake. Though this source talked about nintendos social network and achievements before they were revealed. So who knows? Seriously though read it. It's super hype inducing and no Zelda could live up to this article.

Due  2014, first temple as big as hyrul field, etc.
But... it HAS to live up to this hype. It... has to...

Ian, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but I, for one, think that Zelda could benefit from a lot of the stuff that was introduced in the past three games. I mean, the Wind Waker was a fantastic game, but I would have loved it if you had been able to trace your path before setting out on a journey, leaving the other controls free in the meantime. I think that the past three Zelda games have streamlined the experience heavily, so that the games didn't feel empty like Twilight Princess or tedious like Wind Waker (at times, don't get me wrong, I love that game to death), and, you know... motion controls. I don't want to play another game without them.

I just think that these games proved that the puzzles can be different and new and interesting no matter what play style you give them, and that at its core, Zelda can be a very varied game. Now, my perfect Zelda game would arguably be twice as long as Skyward Sword and three to four times as long as Spirit Tracks or Phantom Hourglass, but I trust Nintendo when it comes to controls and O trust Miyamoto when it comes to overall design. They know what works.

However, the Sky was not a good overworld.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on September 04, 2012, 07:47:12 PM
Tracing the path for sailing is a good idea but I don't really dig sailing to begin with and never would think to include it in the first place.  And motion controls... well I've given my opinion on that a million times and the short answer is I don't like them and would be a happy man if no game ever used them again.

I actually think Xenoblade would have more impact on my design of a Zelda game.  The quick travel of that game and the ability to change the time at will are fantastic conveniences that would fit Zelda like a glove.  That game also has a giant world to explore while Zelda worlds feel kind of cramped (or they're a big blue sea of nothing).  So how about Xenoblade only starring Link and with the realtime fighting and interaction we expect from the Zelda series?
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Post by: MagicCow64 on September 04, 2012, 07:53:44 PM
I seem to recall very similar rumors early in the dev cycle for Twilight Princess.
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Post by: Evan_B on September 04, 2012, 08:34:28 PM
Well, a Xenoblade-sized Zelda adventure would of course be wonderful.

But three-hour dungeons would by far be the best.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on September 04, 2012, 11:40:07 PM
Zelda with Xenoblade sized worlds would be pretty cool! Give me flight via some animal with no bs reasons why I can't fly near the ground amd have my animal interact with the world with me. Maybe a horse that later get's upgraded to a pegesus. Loftwings were alright and I love the idea of giant birds but maybe one a little more vicious like an owl or eagle that plays a bigger role in the story and game play mechanics.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 05, 2012, 12:59:46 AM
See...I don't think the over world needs to be big.  I think that is were the mistake people have is.  The over world doesn't have to be giant...it needs to be interesting.  OoT's over world seemed massive, but also had a completely uninteresting field that just made traversing it boring. 

I also, don't want to play 3 hour dungeons.  I think 1-2 hour dungeons are great...and I would probably lean towards 1 1/2 hours being the optimum dungeon size. 

Now, what I can see is more dungeons.  There is no reason Zelda has to keep to same dungeon system they have used before. 

I would love to see mini-dugeons all over the game's over world.  These mini dungeons play like Zelda versions of Super Mario Sunshine's no water pack star levels.  What I mean is that they are tightly designed challenges that force the player to use specific items carefully and wisely to get through the level.  These mini dungeons are where Zelda gets hear pieces, rubies, special weapon upgrades, anything that is basically a bonus item not needed for the game.  The dungeons could even be worked to disable certain items, or even disable Link's sword so you can only use items. 

Basically the ideas are limitless with this mini dungeon idea...and it creates an incentive to explore everywhere and have a bigger over world. 

Then I think keeping the real big dungeons the same size as most Zelda games would be more acceptable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 05, 2012, 01:32:55 AM
I would love to see mini-dugeons all over the game's over world.  These mini dungeons play like Zelda versions of Super Mario Sunshine's no water pack star levels.  What I mean is that they are tightly designed challenges that force the player to use specific items carefully and wisely to get through the level.  These mini dungeons are where Zelda gets hear pieces, rubies, special weapon upgrades, anything that is basically a bonus item not needed for the game.  The dungeons could even be worked to disable certain items, or even disable Link's sword so you can only use items.

Have you played Skyward Sword because this is pretty close to what they did.  All the overworld area's in Skyward Sword are basically mini-dungeons filled with puzzles that players have to solve in order to get to the bigger main dungeons.  Your last part about a dungeon where Link doesn't have a sword and can only use items is exactly what they have you do at the Volcano area toward the end of the game, when he loses all his items and has to work his way up the volcano using only the items he keeps rediscovering until you finally reach the top and get your sword back.
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 05, 2012, 01:35:24 AM
Yeah Spak, it has been done and I loved the majority of it.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 05, 2012, 03:11:30 AM
Nope, I haven't played it yet...but that sounds awesome...and it sounds like Skyward Sword really took the Zelda formula into the right direction.

I haven't played it because I don't have a Wii anymore...and living in S.K...I don't think I could play it because it would be in Korean.
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 05, 2012, 03:41:52 AM
Many wanted a less empty over world and we did and didn't get it in SS. I love that their were constant puzzles in between dungeons. I wouldn't mind a big spread out over world again if there was constantly something interesting to do. Doesn't have to be a puzzle, just something.
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Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2012, 04:21:43 AM
You know what had a great, dense, intricate, intricately-designed world? Link to the Past.
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Post by: Stogi on September 05, 2012, 06:21:42 AM
If you make the overworld too small, then you can't have awesome set pieces like the one from TP where you battled orcs on warthogs and bird-dragon things.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 05, 2012, 08:05:13 AM
Yes, the TP Orc battle was awesome...and shows a good use for larger over worlds, but that battle could have been done easily in OoTs Over World.

And I agree that Link to the Past is perhaps the best Over World in all the Zelda games.  Though the Dark World is much less interesting than the Light World.  What worked in Link to the Past is almost every screen had a secret, an enemy or something to do.  A few screens were used to help set mood and create atmosphere. 

The Dark World was less lively, but that also set the mood of danger in the stage...and you were never safe in the Dark World it seemed like every screen had dangerous enemies that would eat up your hearts quickly.  Which is another thing that Link to the Past did well...the over world was a serious threat to Link sometimes. 
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 05, 2012, 01:31:15 PM
The overworld undoubtably has to be interesting and not just big, but I want to feel like I'm really on an epic quest.  I remember in OoT when I had to go back on learn Saria's song.  They made out like me leaving the forest was this huge deal and yet I could easily walk for ten minutes to get back on see Saria again?  So my epic journey is like walking to the corner store for milk?  Lame.  At the time I figured that was just the limitations of the N64 but the Zelda games have not really gotten bigger since then.  RPGs used to use overworld maps to give the illusion of covering a great distance and Xenoblade is the first game I've ever played where all the distance is covered in realtime and feels grand.  In Zelda I feel like I'm walking around Disneyland where I have all these different areas cramped into one property.  The older games feel bigger and I think it's because of the limitations at the time.  The original LoZ was HUGE compared to the typical game of the time but Skyward Sword does not.

One thing I didn't like about Skyward Sword is that each area was disconnected.  I should be able to go from the woods to the desert without having to fly back up the hub.  It felt like levels.  If I want levels I'll play Mario.  Zelda is supposed to one world or possibly two parallel ones (LttP, OoT).  I think MM and LA did things best for having dungeons that aren't dungeons.  Both games have mini-dungeon parts that are not "proper" dungeons.  MM only has four dungeons but there is so many other things to do it doesn't feel like a small game.  What they really were doing was blending the dungeons into the overworld.  Skyward Sword also has a very formal seperation between the safe NPC populated area and the rest of the world.  I didn't like that.  The dungeon like areas were cool but I like how in other Zelda games you might have a typical overworld area with enemies and then there'll be this one cabin near the woods or on the mountain or whatever where some NPC guy lives.  In SS it felt too much like Skyloft was the safe area with NPCs and everything else was where the enemies were.  There were some NPCs outside the sky area but not many.  The whole execution seemed really out-of-touch frankly.  The whole "problem" with dungeons is the formality of it.  That's what is getting boring.  What would make it more interesting would be the blur the seperation between dungeon and overworld.  But SS didn't do that.  SS made things MORE formal.  Here is the safe NPC area.  Here is the dangerous enemy infested area.  Here is the dungeon.  While I can't speak for every Zelda fan I want things to feel more like a connected world and Nintendo decided to make it more like a bunch of levels.  Zelda is becoming stale because it is so structured and SS is the most structured Zelda game yet.

And does ANYONE like the guardians?  I HATED that **** in PH and they brought it BACK?!  I never want to see that **** in a Zelda game ever again.

What did I actually like about Skyward Sword that wasn't already a typical Zelda element?  My favourite parts were how Skyloft felt like a real village and how they did a good job of offering dungeon like elements outside of dungeons.  But I can offer the same praise to MM and I think that game did those BETTER!  SS has motion controls, seperated areas, flight, and a lot of backtracking to previously established areas.  I don't like ANY of those.  No wonder my armchair developer Zelda has virtually no elements from SS!

...though I liked the graphics and the ability to run.  And flight is a cool idea in theory but I would prefer conventional controls for it.  Not a total loss but my enjoyment of SS was largely based on my general enjoyment of the Zelda formula and not really anything that it specifically introduced to the series.
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Post by: Stogi on September 05, 2012, 01:41:05 PM
Yes, the TP Orc battle was awesome...and shows a good use for larger over worlds, but that battle could have been done easily in OoTs Over World.

Not to belittle your point, but weren't they the same thing?

What I would summarize as people's most asked for overworld is one that is dense first, large second, and can be skipped through third.

My fantasy Zelda would be the original except bigger and in 3D. It would possibly be the hardest game ever made. You start out with no idea what you are doing and freely explore the land and sea. You may happen upon a quest or side-quest but that's really not the point of the game. Its all about adventure and finding the tools and items to further your adventure.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 05, 2012, 01:52:18 PM
I haven't played it because I don't have a Wii anymore...and living in S.K...I don't think I could play it because it would be in Korean.
My suggestion is you should buy it and make it your first game you play on your shiny new Wii U. :)
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Post by: Evan_B on September 05, 2012, 02:12:51 PM
Well, I won't disagree with the whole disconnected fields thing... I felt that was a poor choice and that the developers didn't know what they wanted to be the overworld of the game- so they stuck with the sky because it was more different. If the other areas had been interconnected, however, the sky would have been severely underplayed- even more than it already was.

I feel that having one town was a risky choice, but I think it was to emphasize how early in the story this game is- it allowed things to be simple and streamlined. I do think that the enemy populous could have been a little higher, but I think that's because I just got used to the combat really quickly- I just really enjoyed how each enemy encounter was its own challenge and had to be faced down in a thinking, adapting manner. That's one thing that I really hate about the series in general- that the combat isn't engaging at all, and by Twilight Princess, I was more or less done with the "wait for an attack and strike" formula the series had boiled down to. The masterful sword combat in Skyward Sword is one of the main reasons I love the game.

I can't really agree with your "formal and structured" argument because that's kind of what the series is at its core, however, I think Skyward Sword suffered heavily from the development time put into the motion controls because it lacked a lot of the varied gameplay we got with Twilight Princess- escort missions and more interesting little side diversions. However, Twilight Princess seemed empty and I'd say it had just about the same amount of enemies throughout its "enemy populated areas", and the engagements were less interesting, to boot. Skyward Sword utilized its environments, which were just about the best seen in any 3d Zelda game, over and over again and in different ways that were engaging and gave purpose as to why you revisited the area. And call me crazy, but I enjoyed Skyward Sword's guardian segments because they gave purpose to the basic abilities you had and were challenging in a different way. Now, I'm not saying I liked PH or ST's guardian segments, but I thought Skyward Sword did it great.

I just think that overall, you need to take each game with the mindset that it's always going to be different. One could argue that Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time are very similar, but I would disagree because they both have very different focuses. I don't think a Zelda game has to be land-based, classic style to be good, because they've proven that to me with Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, and Skyward Sword. I think a varied locale and design to the game is what keeps the series fresh. However, a larger, more populated overworld would be nice, but I'd also very much enjoy platforming and puzzling elements to be woven into the game to a point that dungeons gradually become overworld and vice versa, and you know that you're getting close to a dungeon when the puzzling and platforming elements start to become more difficult, but it's still a gradual change.

But now, Zelda to me should always have motion controls because that was the most engaging combat I've ever had in a Zelda game, and the series deserves to have a well-rounded amount of elements contributing to it, not just puzzling.
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Post by: Ceric on September 05, 2012, 02:16:21 PM
I don't think the Sky would have became down played if they connected the areas.  The sky would be Fast Travel and the interconnection would be more difficult and slower.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 05, 2012, 02:26:05 PM
Disconnecting the world to justify the sky isn't a good reason.  Well why bother with this sky concept in the first place, then?  There is no reason they had to take that approach.  Plus with the big town being in the sky it was clear I would be returning again and again anyway.  There are locations in the sky I have to visit to complete the game.  Shouldn't that be good enough?

Both WW and SS have really inconvenient time-wasting methods of travel.  Intentional padding perhaps?
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Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2012, 03:11:50 PM
I'm pretty much 100% sure that the "dream Zelda game" I envision in my head is one that will NEVER happen.

You mean Zelda + Animal Crossing + a lot of random crying? :P

Zelda Crossing: Pitfalls and Peahats!
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Post by: MagicCow64 on September 05, 2012, 03:22:10 PM
I agree that the areas should have had manual connections at the periphery. My problem with Skyloft wasn't the formal element, though. I think it was fine that there was a big separation between the sky and the ground. I mean, that's basically the point of the game, connecting the isolated sky world back to the Earth. What Skyloft needed was a second town or populous area, perhaps a rival community with opposing goals. This would have allowed more to do in the sky, and amped up the tension. Despite the fact that the world was sorta ending, everyone in Skyloft was just of whistling in the breeze until near the end of the game. They could have had a Majora's Mask level of NPC interaction going on in the clouds as a huge, ongoing sidequest to the combat/puzzles/dungeons.
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Post by: Sarail on September 05, 2012, 09:59:52 PM
I just want a Zelda that retains the series' tried and true dungeon/puzzle elements and sense of discovery. But I want to see the series start to steer itself in a new direction - and Skyward Sword started to show a bit of this...

I want Link hopping across platforms, swinging from vines, climbing ladders and cliffs, etc etc... like Nathan Drake. I mean, identically like Drake, too. I want more severity in the platforming and more intensity in build-ups to all of the big moments in-game. Hey, I'd even like the gameplay/play control loosened up a bit by creating a cover system, but with Nintendo and Aonuma's team's twist on it. Link's got a bow, hookshot, slingshot, bombs (grenades)... so let's give him a craftier way to use each of those forms of weaponry.

And for the love of all that is holy and mighty... I. Want. VOICE. ACTING.

Sheesh, Nintendo... it's your most epic series, and it still hasn't stepped into the 21st century of video game design. "Haters gonna hate" against my opinion on this matter. But oh well. I like what I like.
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Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2012, 10:20:29 PM
I don't need voice acting. But for the love of god, I DESIRE ARCHERY TO BE A MAJOR PART OF THE GAME. Especially horse-back archery. I want the Zelda series going all Samurai about it too.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 05, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
The overworld undoubtably has to be interesting and not just big, but I want to feel like I'm really on an epic quest.  I remember in OoT when I had to go back on learn Saria's song.  They made out like me leaving the forest was this huge deal and yet I could easily walk for ten minutes to get back on see Saria again?  So my epic journey is like walking to the corner store for milk?  Lame.  At the time I figured that was just the limitations of the N64 but the Zelda games have not really gotten bigger since then.  RPGs used to use overworld maps to give the illusion of covering a great distance and Xenoblade is the first game I've ever played where all the distance is covered in realtime and feels grand.  In Zelda I feel like I'm walking around Disneyland where I have all these different areas cramped into one property.  The older games feel bigger and I think it's because of the limitations at the time.  The original LoZ was HUGE compared to the typical game of the time but Skyward Sword does not.


I kinda disagree with this point.  The reason it was a big deal Link left the forest was because none of those kids left the forest before.  They always stayed and were protected.  The impact is the same even if you only walked 10 minutes back to the forest...and you know what...that 10 minutes sometimes felt long and boring...I didn't care for it.  In OoT before I got the horse, I hated walking in the over world. 

These action RPG games have a delicate balance to maintain.  Creating an interesting world that is big enough to feel like you are exploring a world...but small enough not to be boring, because in the end, you are moving from one level to the next in these worlds...there is just some stuff and story to experience on the way.  In Twilight Princess, there were many times, I dreaded changing locations, because it was going to take 10-15 minutes to just get to the location I wanted to be in before doing what I really wanted to do. 

I am kinda liking the sound of Skyward Sword's disconnected over world because it seems to allow for easier exploration and perhaps travel to teach area. 
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 05, 2012, 10:30:18 PM


I kinda disagree with this point.  The reason it was a big deal Link left the forest was because none of those kids left the forest before.  They always stayed and were protected.  The impact is the same even if you only walked 10 minutes back to the forest...and you know what...that 10 minutes sometimes felt long and boring...I didn't care for it.  In OoT before I got the horse, I hated walking in the over world. 

These action RPG games have a delicate balance to maintain.  Creating an interesting world that is big enough to feel like you are exploring a world...but small enough not to be boring, because in the end, you are moving from one level to the next in these worlds...there is just some stuff and story to experience on the way.  In Twilight Princess, there were many times, I dreaded changing locations, because it was going to take 10-15 minutes to just get to the location I wanted to be in before doing what I really wanted to do. 

I am kinda liking the sound of Skyward Sword's disconnected over world because it seems to allow for easier exploration and perhaps travel to teach area.

If you want a boring game with tedious trekking across a large, empty world, try playing Skyrim...
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 05, 2012, 10:33:34 PM
I don't need voice acting. But for the love of god, I DESIRE ARCHERY TO BE A MAJOR PART OF THE GAME. Especially horse-back archery. I want the Zelda series going all Samurai about it too.

The problem with too many items is that they start replacing each other.  I liked TP because archery became a very useful means to snipe enemies...but soon I just didn't need it that much. 

I actually feel a Zelda game with fewer items, would be better...so that they can more carefully balance game play to make all items important all the time.  I feel item classes would be a good measure to do this. 

You could easily have link have a Slingshot, (short ranged attacks, become a bow and arrow, longer ranged attacks, become a cross bow longest ranged attacks.)

Boomerang short ranged item, used to hit switches, and collect items.  Can be used to distract enemies, but no stun effects.  Long Boomerang longer and adds stun effects.  Hero's boomerang, multi-targeting weapon. 
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Post by: Sarail on September 05, 2012, 10:41:30 PM
I don't need voice acting. But for the love of god, I DESIRE ARCHERY TO BE A MAJOR PART OF THE GAME. Especially horse-back archery. I want the Zelda series going all Samurai about it too.
Oooh... +1 for you, sir. I wholeheartedly agree!


Spak, SS sort of started that for us with the whole item upgrading process - which I thought was absolutely brilliant. I'd love to see that expanded even more in the next game. Also having that added to Link's tunic/armour as well...would be really cool to give particular enhancements to Link's defence via armour upgrades.


Nothing wrong with giving the series a bit more of a RPG flair.
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Post by: Evan_B on September 05, 2012, 10:44:20 PM
Bleh. The Uncharted series is not what I want Zelda to be.
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Post by: Sarail on September 05, 2012, 10:56:17 PM
I never said I wanted it to be entirely like the Uncharted series, hah. I just want Link to have more mobility and fluidity to his actions and movements - just like Nathan Drake. Also, you can't possibly tell me that having Link hiding behind a huge rock (via a cover system style), waiting for an impending Moblin to walk by, only to catch him from behind, stuff a bomb into the Mob's garb, and watching the Mob blow up and *POOF* up in smoke ala WW or SS style... wouldn't be cool as hell?

If not, you're crazy. The Zelda formula needs to be changed up, and Skyward Sword was a good start to the changes that need to occur.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 05, 2012, 11:02:49 PM

I never said I wanted it to be entirely like the Uncharted series, hah. I just want Link to have more mobility and fluidity to his actions and movements - just like Nathan Drake. Also, you can't possibly tell me that having Link hiding behind a huge rock (via a cover system style), waiting for an impending Moblin to walk by, only to catch him from behind, stuff a bomb into the Mob's garb, and watching the Mob blow up and *POOF* up in smoke ala WW or SS style... wouldn't be cool as hell?

If not, you're crazy. The Zelda formula needs to be changed up, and Skyward Sword was a good start to the changes that need to occur.

Uncharted was the sole reason I got a PS3. It's the PS3's Halo, so to speak, and it solidifies Naughty Dog's position as one of the best developers in the gaming industry.

If the Uncharted series was multiplatform, I'd buy a copy for every console in existence. ESPECIALLY Uncharted 2.

Can't wait for The Last of Us. Damn that game looks incredible.

I sure wish Microsoft had a developer as talented as Naughty Dog, but it seems they really don't care about 1st-party games anymore.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 06, 2012, 12:17:33 AM
I want the Zelda series going all Samurai about it too.

What if the Zelda series took a more Aztec oriented direction? I would like to see Obsidian swords, Atlatls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlatl), and Jaguar skinned warriors which would put PETA in an uproar. Also, you should be able to cut out your opponents still beating hearts with an obsidian knife and offer it as a sacrifice to the Gods of Hyrule. The game would of course have to carry an M rating obviously.
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Post by: noname2200 on September 06, 2012, 12:32:28 AM
I just like exploring a world crammed with secrets while killing a bunch of enemies with my sword 'n stuff.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 06, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
I just like exploring a world crammed with secrets while killing a bunch of enemies with my sword 'n stuff.

You could still do that in an Aztec universe.
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Post by: Sarail on September 06, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
I just like exploring a world crammed with secrets while killing a bunch of enemies with my sword 'n stuff.

You could still do that in an Aztec universe.
As cliche as it is, I still want a steampunk Zelda. Imagine the dungeon puzzles! :D x 10000000
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 06, 2012, 12:56:20 AM

As cliche as it is, I still want a steampunk Zelda. Imagine the dungeon puzzles! :D x 10000000

Majora's Mask's "Great Bay Temple" and Skyward Sword's "Lanyru Mining Facility" say hi.
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Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2012, 12:56:42 AM
I want the Zelda series going all Samurai about it too.

What if the Zelda series took a more Aztec oriented direction?

Haha, I'd support that!

Actually I only meant "samurai' in the sense that it related to archery... though judging by these Hungarian YouTube videos I've found, it probably doesn't need to be a specifically Japanese inspiration. I'd just LOVE for archery to take a more prominent role both on foot and on horse.

Also, you should be able to cut out your opponents still beating hearts with an obsidian knife

*has the sudden urge to give Link a crysknife*
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Post by: noname2200 on September 06, 2012, 01:03:13 AM
I just like exploring a world crammed with secrets while killing a bunch of enemies with my sword 'n stuff.

You could still do that in an Aztec universe.

Aztec swords just aren't the same... :'(
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Post by: Sarail on September 06, 2012, 01:41:49 AM

As cliche as it is, I still want a steampunk Zelda. Imagine the dungeon puzzles! :D x 10000000

Majora's Mask's "Great Bay Temple" and Skyward Sword's "Lanyru Mining Facility" say hi.
They do? Because those aren't really steampunk in design.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 06, 2012, 01:45:06 AM
Aztec swords just aren't the same... :'(

In some ways they are superior to metal swords. Against an opponent wearing armor they would probably shatter, but against raw flesh obsidian blades are better because they are much sharper than any metal blade could ever be. You can hack off limbs and decapitate your opponents with minimal effort. They also don't rust the way a typical iron/steel sword would.
Title: Wave Race
Post by: Caterkiller on September 06, 2012, 02:22:09 AM
Nintendo renews it's Wave Race trade mark.
http://www.trademarkia.com/wave-race-74246565.html (http://www.trademarkia.com/wave-race-74246565.html)


Wave Race, Star Fox and  F-Zero. Three franchises that the Wii hardware probably would not have done justice, I think now they could make a come back.
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Post by: Caliban on September 06, 2012, 11:20:28 AM
Wave racing on giant waves, please. Massive storms too.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 06, 2012, 11:27:06 AM
Nintendo renews it's Wave Race trade mark.
http://www.trademarkia.com/wave-race-74246565.html (http://www.trademarkia.com/wave-race-74246565.html)


Wave Race, Star Fox and  F-Zero. Three franchises that the Wii hardware probably would not have done justice, I think now they could make a come back.

The Wii could definitely handle those games. They were all on the GameCube, so why couldn't the Wii (with its more powerful hardware) handle them?
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Post by: Caterkiller on September 06, 2012, 11:54:22 AM
It's not that the Wii couldn't handle one of these titles it's that each of these are big graphical showcases and with the Wii there wasn't much farther to go from their GameCube iterations.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 06, 2012, 12:49:42 PM
Going back to Zelda, a good way to incorporate the steampunk idea is to offer time travel in a way much grander than that in OoT.  If you could swap between the traditional fantasy setting and a steampunk setting set hundreds of years later then you can do it without really "betraying" the traditional Zelda style.

I think a problem Nintendo has is that they clearly don't play other companies' games and certainly not ones on non-Nintendo systems.  In a way that allows Nintendo to be creative since they can think out of the box more freely.  But it becomes a problem when new ideas are introduced to the industry and are so well accepted that Nintendo not being influenced by them makes their games seem archaic.  Zelda is supposed to be very ambitious and part of its appeal is that it tried to give us a world that felt more real than a standard videogame level.  During the N64 years Nintendo was at the cutting edge regarding this and OoT was probably the most impressive videogame world ever at the time.  But now games like GTA or Uncharted have introduced a lot of ideas that really make a videogame world feel alive and Nintendo is probably as ignorant of those games as you could get.  Skyward Sword isn't a generic game but it does not stand out as particularly ambitious (part of that is the archaic hardware it's on).  I still want Zelda to feel like Zelda but I think Nintendo has to do some research to figure out what would make Zelda a truly ambitious title in today's day and age.  The fact that they're six years behind the rest of the world because of the Wii makes it worse.

I want them to make Zelda with the goal of making the best game of all time.  But to do that they need to be aware of where the rest of the industry has gone so they can improve and top it.  It feels a little too much like they're just making a more polished version of what was ambitious on the N64.
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Post by: Ceric on September 06, 2012, 01:51:06 PM
Skyward Sword was Ambitious in several ways.  Jut not the normal ones.  Nintendo has to have played other games but, a lot of Nintendo is pretty old now so ...
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Post by: Evan_B on September 06, 2012, 02:52:31 PM
The industry is in a terrible place, and Nintendo wasn't this past gen. They made games with legs that stand individual to each other on decent budgets. I mean, I want "the best game of all time" from them too, but I think that the alternative, which is "make a different game from the rest of the series" is even better.

Personally, I'd like a more ground Zelda title set closer to modern times. Spirit Tracks was sort of this way, but I'd like it if we had a huge Hyrule that you could traverse by train, foot, or horse. Let's say getting to certain areas by train wouldn't be possible until you rode out on horse and fixed the tracks in a distant region. I'd like to see a different origin for Link, too.

Dammit, now I'm daydreaming.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on September 06, 2012, 02:54:03 PM
Going back to Zelda, a good way to incorporate the steampunk idea is to offer time travel in a way much grander than that in OoT.  If you could swap between the traditional fantasy setting and a steampunk setting set hundreds of years later then you can do it without really "betraying" the traditional Zelda style.

I think a problem Nintendo has is that they clearly don't play other companies' games and certainly not ones on non-Nintendo systems.  In a way that allows Nintendo to be creative since they can think out of the box more freely.  But it becomes a problem when new ideas are introduced to the industry and are so well accepted that Nintendo not being influenced by them makes their games seem archaic.  Zelda is supposed to be very ambitious and part of its appeal is that it tried to give us a world that felt more real than a standard videogame level.  During the N64 years Nintendo was at the cutting edge regarding this and OoT was probably the most impressive videogame world ever at the time.  But now games like GTA or Uncharted have introduced a lot of ideas that really make a videogame world feel alive and Nintendo is probably as ignorant of those games as you could get.  Skyward Sword isn't a generic game but it does not stand out as particularly ambitious (part of that is the archaic hardware it's on).  I still want Zelda to feel like Zelda but I think Nintendo has to do some research to figure out what would make Zelda a truly ambitious title in today's day and age.  The fact that they're six years behind the rest of the world because of the Wii makes it worse.

I want them to make Zelda with the goal of making the best game of all time.  But to do that they need to be aware of where the rest of the industry has gone so they can improve and top it.  It feels a little too much like they're just making a more polished version of what was ambitious on the N64.

Why does it matter what the rest of the industry has done, that doesn't have anything to do with Zelda games.  You mention GTA and Uncharted but those games play nothing like Zelda games so why should Nintendo care what they do?  The only Zelda style games that have been made in the last decade are Okami and Darksiders, and many would argue that neither series surpasses Zelda.

Once again, these post show why the Zelda fanbase on the internet is the worst fanbase period.  They pretty much want the series to become a clone of another series instead of actually being a Zelda game.  The games people mention Zelda should be more like are nothing like Zelda games, which makes comparisons pointless.  Who gives a **** would GTA, Uncharted, Skyrim, Assassins Creed and Demon Soul are doing.  None of these games have the balance of combat, puzzles, exploration in the way the Zelda series does which makes statements that Nintendo needs to make Zelda more like them completely pointless.


Plus Skyward Sword was the most ambitious Zelda since Ocarina of Time and has done more to change the series then a game can without turning the series into a completely different genre.  Skyward Sword completely changed up the overworld design, where they're all more like dungeons now instead of straight paths like the previous 3D Zelda's.  Even Majora's Mask which you like to mention was still a mostly straight paths for it's overworld.  The actual min-dungeons in that game that you like to mention were actual mini-dungeons locations that were seperate from the actual overworld. 

They completely changed up the combat system, where it's much more strategic now since you have to aim at the right area's of enemies now in order to defeat them and the enemies will block and change the area's you have to hit them at.  Even using the shield was changed up were you have to block at the exact moment an enemy attacks to block or deflect, or else your shield will get damaged and eventually break, leaving you defenseless.  Unlike previous 3D Zelda's where players can just block forever until they get the moment to stab.

They also changed up dungeon design as well where the dungeons have a lot more action and puzzles going on per room then the previous 3D dungeons, and they designed dungeons to make more use of all the items, unlike previous 3D Zelda's where the dungeons were based around almost entirely around the item you found in the dungeon.  Plus there's the Beetle item that opened up a whole new set of puzzles never seen before in the series since there had never been a flying item in the series before.

Seriously, to say Skyward Sword wasn't ambitious is completely false.  Just because it wasn't a clone of a different popular series on the PS3/360, doesn't mean it brought a lot of new things to the series.  Just because Link still wears green and swings a sword doesn't mean it's still the same game as Ocarina of Time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on September 06, 2012, 05:12:34 PM
I never said I want Zelda to be a clone of other games.  But there are ideas and elements from other games that could be incorporated into Zelda.  I suggested some ideas from Xenoblade as concepts that would work well in Zelda but that's doesn't mean they should make it the same thing.  If Nintendo was more aware of well, ANYTHING, outside their little bubble, they could be inspired by other games.  Maybe see an idea that would fit Zelda well or an idea that they immediately think of a way to improve it.  Sandbox games like GTA have REALLY changed the idea of how a videogame world can be presented.  Same with the post-Morrowind Elder Scrolls games.  Nintendo could probably learn a lot from those.  I'm not saying to make Zelda in GTA or Skyrim, but these days Skyward Sword's world doesn't come across as epic or expansive.

One thing I noticed in SS is that I felt the story was (at least until Zelda got kidnapped) so much better than a typical Zelda game.  There was actually a sense of romance to Link and Zelda's relationship.  Of course this was like Playstation era RPG storytelling at best but still a big step up from Nintendo's usual.  So good for you, Nintendo.  You're now only 15 years behind the rest of the industry in storytelling instead of 20.  It comes across exactly like what it probably is - a very isolated company discovering storytelling techniques on their own and coming to the same conclusions someone else did 15 years ago.  Only the rest of the industry noticed when Square figured that stuff out back then.  Isn't this Nintendo's whole problem with online?  They're five years behind the rest of the industry and are slowing figuring this stuff out themselves.  Only that's fucking stupid.  How about they just do some research, figure out how the rest of the industry does things, catch up and then go forward from there?

Nintendo is going into HD for the first time.  So are we going to get cutting edge stuff or is Nintendo going to be cranking out games that feel like they're from 2006?  Look how long it took orchestral music to make it into Zelda games.  No way Nintendo actually paid any attention to what was being done back in like 1997 and decided to just wait until now to go with it.  They're in their bubble and they missed out on the CD thing and it took a long time for them to discover what was already discovered.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2012, 06:45:32 PM
Aztec swords just aren't the same... :'(

In some ways they are superior to metal swords. Against an opponent wearing armor they would probably shatter, but against raw flesh obsidian blades are better because they are much sharper than any metal blade could ever be. You can hack off limbs and decapitate your opponents with minimal effort. They also don't rust the way a typical iron/steel sword would.

They sound really ideal for an Eternal Darkness game...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Oblivion on September 10, 2012, 08:25:32 AM
Bioshock Infinite for Wii U. Rumor or not? Because there's oddly no talk about it here at NWR.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 10, 2012, 09:14:17 AM
Because the rumor is already dead...and it was misinterpreted information...there is no reason to talk about it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on September 10, 2012, 01:29:55 PM
I never said I want Zelda to be a clone of other games.  But there are ideas and elements from other games that could be incorporated into Zelda.  I suggested some ideas from Xenoblade as concepts that would work well in Zelda but that's doesn't mean they should make it the same thing.  If Nintendo was more aware of well, ANYTHING, outside their little bubble, they could be inspired by other games.  Maybe see an idea that would fit Zelda well or an idea that they immediately think of a way to improve it.  Sandbox games like GTA have REALLY changed the idea of how a videogame world can be presented.  Same with the post-Morrowind Elder Scrolls games.  Nintendo could probably learn a lot from those.  I'm not saying to make Zelda in GTA or Skyrim, but these days Skyward Sword's world doesn't come across as epic or expansive.

One thing I noticed in SS is that I felt the story was (at least until Zelda got kidnapped) so much better than a typical Zelda game.  There was actually a sense of romance to Link and Zelda's relationship.  Of course this was like Playstation era RPG storytelling at best but still a big step up from Nintendo's usual.  So good for you, Nintendo.  You're now only 15 years behind the rest of the industry in storytelling instead of 20.  It comes across exactly like what it probably is - a very isolated company discovering storytelling techniques on their own and coming to the same conclusions someone else did 15 years ago.  Only the rest of the industry noticed when Square figured that stuff out back then.  Isn't this Nintendo's whole problem with online?  They're five years behind the rest of the industry and are slowing figuring this stuff out themselves.  Only that's fucking stupid.  How about they just do some research, figure out how the rest of the industry does things, catch up and then go forward from there?

Nintendo is going into HD for the first time.  So are we going to get cutting edge stuff or is Nintendo going to be cranking out games that feel like they're from 2006?  Look how long it took orchestral music to make it into Zelda games.  No way Nintendo actually paid any attention to what was being done back in like 1997 and decided to just wait until now to go with it.  They're in their bubble and they missed out on the CD thing and it took a long time for them to discover what was already discovered.


You really think they weren't aware of CD's? You don't remember the SNES CD addon that was being worked on? We all know the reasons why Nintendo stuck with cartridges over CD, and no it wasn't because 'Nintendo were stuck in a bubble". I love your whole rant about "Nintendo being behind the competition" I suppose that's why Sony and MS came out with motion controls after the Wiimote. Monolith created one of the best JRPGs of this generation but somehow they are still behind (And yes, Monolith is Nintendo). You really think Nintendo developers are locked in boxes and not aware of other games? Takahashi was quoted that he wants to make a game on the same scale as Skyrim.


I want to see these story masterpieces you talk about, how story telling in gaming has somehow made a quantum leap. Seems to me it's hardly changed besides character models having recognizable facial features. Besides, what RPG or JRPG has an amazing story that isn't cliched or been done before, there are some exceptions such as the Witcher but most seem to use the same tropes (WRPG heavily influenced by high fantasy) and JRPGs have many cliches. I frankly don't see how Nintendo are '20 years' behind in story telling. Also Zelda is hardly a RPG so I don't see why you are comparing them against them. Action Adventure games hardly need a compelling story, take Darksiders for an example. War in the first game is a pretty uninteresting character and the story on the whole is a standard 'character x is set up and attempts to clear his name, plot twist occurs towards the end'.


We can't judge the online yet, need to see what the Wii U's online infrastructure is like. But the Wii's online was dreadful and obviously wasn't a priority for Nintendo. The 3DS has decent online so they are improving in that regard.


If your claims about Nintendo were true they would have died years ago.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Disco Stu on September 10, 2012, 05:51:41 PM
Oh god, is this thread still overrun with Zelda speculation/pipe-dreaming?!  Separate thread, I say!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on September 11, 2012, 02:35:11 AM
recent zelda games had shadow of the colossus and ico stuff
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on September 11, 2012, 10:26:06 AM
Don't know if this has yet to be posted but there's a rumour on Neogaf that certain third parties are trying to convince Nintendo to not pack in Nintendoland with the Wii U as it may take steam away from their own mini game compilations.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on September 11, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
Don't know if this has yet to be posted but there's a rumour on Neogaf that certain third parties are trying to convince Nintendo to not pack in Nintendoland with the Wii U as it may take steam away from their own mini game compilations.
This actually makes sense.  So it may just be one person's good idea and other people believing it is a rumor from 3rd parties.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on September 11, 2012, 01:32:47 PM
Makes sense though I think nintendoland will do better as a pack in.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 11, 2012, 02:15:20 PM
Oh come on. Nobody complained when Nintendo packed in games with the NES, Game Boy, and Super NES. Games sell systems, and it's Nintendo's responsibility to sell their systems.

If Nintendo thinks a pack-in will help sell the Wii U, then that's their prerogative.

I'm honestly sick of "feeling sorry" for 3rd-parties. Nintendo shouldn't have to cater to their demands, they have their own problems to worry about.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ceric on September 11, 2012, 02:46:28 PM
You know this reminds me of when Microsoft bowed to the Security companies with Windows.  Vista on where going to be way more locked down and they got such a huge stink from Antivirus companies that they had to loosen the security.
Title: Rumored Wii U Specs.
Post by: Caterkiller on September 11, 2012, 02:54:09 PM
http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-wii-u-final-specs/ (http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-wii-u-final-specs/)


CPU:
“Espresso” CPU on the Wii U has three enhanced Broadway cores


GPU:
“GPU7” AMD Radeon™-based High Definition GPU. Unique API = GX2, which supports Shader Model 4.0 (DirectX 10.1 and OpenGL 3.3 equivalent functionality)


Memory:
Mem1 = 32MB Mem2 = 1GB (that applications can use)


Storage:
Internal 8 GB with support for SD Cards (SD Cards up to 2GB/ SDHC Cards up to 32GB) and External USB Connected Hard Drives


Networking:
802.11 b/g/n Wifi


Video Output:
Supports 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i


Video Cables Supported:
Compatible cables include HDMI, Wii D-Terminal, Wii Component Video, Wii RGB, Wii S-Video Stereo AV and Wii AV.


USB:
Four USB 2.0 Ports




I know not what these things mean, but man do I want an ethernet port. Are there usb converters for such things?


If these things are real I expect melt downs like the other websites. Still what does this really tell us? Can't wait to see how far the other systems take their hardware. Despite knowing nothing about specs I'm still convinced the gap this generation from Wii to PS360 will be impossible to replicate, in the graphics department that is.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on September 11, 2012, 02:59:18 PM
Sounds in line with my some of my personal speculation that was less hype-affected. Internal storage from those rumored specs seems low for my tastes, however.

I know not what these things mean, but man do I want an ethernet port. Are there usb converters for such things?

Yes. Or at least, there were for the Wii.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on September 11, 2012, 02:59:39 PM
So...how many Hollywoods go into a Broadway? And is an Espresso better or weaker than a Macchiatto?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on September 11, 2012, 03:25:06 PM
I'd actually prefer if Nintendo's pack-in hurt the sales of other mini-game comps.  We all know Nintendo's will be good and everyone else's will be ****.  Mini-game shovelware is what gave the Wii its casual image.  I don't want such titles to succeed.  It would be far better if things start off with shovelware selling poorly so as to discourage devs from making it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Enner on September 11, 2012, 03:28:23 PM
I know not what these things mean, but man do I want an ethernet port. Are there usb converters for such things?

Yes. Or at least, there were for the Wii.

There was a fact sheet in a NWR article that stated that LAN adapters for the Wii will work with the Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on September 11, 2012, 03:34:26 PM
I'd actually prefer if Nintendo's pack-in hurt the sales of other mini-game comps.  We all know Nintendo's will be good and everyone else's will be ****.  Mini-game shovelware is what gave the Wii its casual image.  I don't want such titles to succeed.  It would be far better if things start off with shovelware selling poorly so as to discourage devs from making it.

Unfortunately, the message they'll actually hear is "our games won't sell on this thing at all. Pack it in, folks!"
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 11, 2012, 03:57:19 PM
http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-wii-u-final-specs/ (http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-wii-u-final-specs/)


CPU:
“Espresso” CPU on the Wii U has three enhanced Broadway cores


GPU:
“GPU7” AMD Radeon™-based High Definition GPU. Unique API = GX2, which supports Shader Model 4.0 (DirectX 10.1 and OpenGL 3.3 equivalent functionality)


Memory:
Mem1 = 32MB Mem2 = 1GB (that applications can use)


Storage:
Internal 8 GB with support for SD Cards (SD Cards up to 2GB/ SDHC Cards up to 32GB) and External USB Connected Hard Drives


Networking:
802.11 b/g/n Wifi


Video Output:
Supports 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i


Video Cables Supported:
Compatible cables include HDMI, Wii D-Terminal, Wii Component Video, Wii RGB, Wii S-Video Stereo AV and Wii AV.


USB:
Four USB 2.0 Ports




I know not what these things mean, but man do I want an ethernet port. Are there usb converters for such things?


If these things are real I expect melt downs like the other websites. Still what does this really tell us? Can't wait to see how far the other systems take their hardware. Despite knowing nothing about specs I'm still convinced the gap this generation from Wii to PS360 will be impossible to replicate, in the graphics department that is.

I want to say that that is old and wrong, but I'm sure some of it is right. IBM has all but confirmed that the CPU is all new and not recycled yet again.

And i could have sworn i saw this posted somewhere like a month or so ago....
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on September 11, 2012, 04:16:58 PM
when printing the die for the modified watson cpu they could have thrown in some broadways for backwards compatibility. Think of it as another specialized core. On the other hand a modified better broadway core would be an xbox 360 cpu. Its really hard to word these things because they are all under the same family of processors.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on September 11, 2012, 04:24:39 PM
@Iansane - I agree 100%!

@ Noname - Sadly you are probably absolutely right! Hahaha. :(

@ Enner - Oh so that's what a LAN thingy is for! Yeah i'm as tech savvy as a tree.

@ BlackNMild - I recently saw this on Gaf, seems to be recent, at least by the way they are acting.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: alegoicoe on September 11, 2012, 04:49:18 PM
am sure nintendo will announce Resident Evil 6 on thursday
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 11, 2012, 06:08:39 PM
am sure nintendo will announce Resident Evil 6 on thursday


No. That's Capcom's decision, they will be the ones announcing it, if it ever comes to the Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 11, 2012, 06:11:37 PM
First parties announce third party games at these kinds of events all the time. For all we know, Capcom has been working on it all this time and Nintendo asked them to not announce it until Nintendo wanted too.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on September 11, 2012, 06:38:40 PM
am sure nintendo will announce Resident Evil 6 on thursday
Along with Resident Evil 5 Gold Wii U edition.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on September 11, 2012, 06:49:02 PM
Nope, just another round of RE4. It's a test to see if the WiiU is worthy of getting games worth a damn this generation.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 11, 2012, 06:59:15 PM

Nope, just another round of RE4. It's a test to see if the WiiU is worthy of getting games worth a damn this generation.

Don't be so pessimistic. The only reason why the Wii didn't get good 3rd-party support is because it was so underpowered compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360. Developers found it was easier to make multiplatform games for the PS3 and Xbox 360 because they were/are so similar in power. It would take more effort to downport a PS3 / Xbox 360 game to the Wii.

The Wii U is a different story. It's the first next-gen console to be released, meaning it will (hopefully) get plenty of multiplatform games this time around. Remember, when the Xbox 360 launched, it got mostly PS2 and Xbox 1 ports, so it will be a similar situation with the Wii U until the PS4 and Xbox 3 are released. After that, it will be an even playing field for all parties.

The power gap between the PS4, Xbox 3, and Wii U should be much smaller this time. Console manufacturers and game developers have to keep their budgets in check.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on September 11, 2012, 07:05:52 PM
You call it pessimism.

I call it realism.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on September 11, 2012, 08:53:32 PM
So, if 1gb is useable, then 1.5gb on the retail system? 512mb is a lot for the OS, but I wouldn't be surprised if they planned it so Netflix is streaming on the TV while junior plays New Super Mario on the tablet.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on September 11, 2012, 08:56:20 PM
But resident evil is a great game.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: noname2200 on September 11, 2012, 09:28:28 PM
So, if 1gb is useable, then 1.5gb on the retail system? 512mb is a lot for the OS, but I wouldn't be surprised if they planned it so Netflix is streaming on the TV while junior plays New Super Mario on the tablet.

Hadn't thought of reading it that way. Although since they make a point to divide "mem1" and "mem2", doesn't that imply that the 1gb usable part means that mem2 is for applications/games/etc., while mem1 is for, I dunno, the OS or something?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on September 11, 2012, 09:41:34 PM
I would buy a Wii U just to have Resident Evil 6.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on September 11, 2012, 10:48:08 PM
32mb Mem1 is a fast buffer, not the OS RAM.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: azeke on September 12, 2012, 12:05:18 AM
So, if 1gb is useable, then 1.5gb on the retail system? 512mb is a lot for the OS, but I wouldn't be surprised if they planned it so Netflix is streaming on the TV while junior plays New Super Mario on the tablet.
Considering how much resources your OS and API eat up on your PCs, it's really not that much.

Also about wii u reusing broadway processors as in decade old tech... And it's not really that bad.

How about your own PC using 30+ year old architecture (IBM PC was released in 1981)?

And processor in your PC using 40+  year old architecture (x86 started in 1978)?

And PCs are not reusing that decades old tech because it's perfect the way it is. Hell no. That policy of dragging 70s tech into new future caused lots and lots of problems starting from "problem 2000"  and your Windows Vista losing 1Gb of your 4Gb memory.

But they keep it because PC have no generations when each time they have the opportunity to start from a clean slate. They have to keep BC at all times, not just between generations.

And so they add things like PCI, AGP, southern bridge -- all these patches to keep it relevant to times. And it just piles on and on. Overhead if enourmous.

And that's just hardware. Software legacy cost is even greater and cripples tech inside your PC even more.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on September 12, 2012, 07:51:45 AM
You call it pessimism.

I call it realism.


Realists are just pessimists that are full of themselves.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on September 12, 2012, 12:14:13 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Nintex_nl/status/245864336910860288#!/Nintex_nl/status/245864336910860288 (https://mobile.twitter.com/Nintex_nl/status/245864336910860288#!/Nintex_nl/status/245864336910860288)

Some interesting Wii U stuff coming up tommorow, not 'Zelda Wii U' like, but still quite big and perhaps even unexpected.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Dinfire/status/245670695231688704#!/Dinfire/status/245670695231688704 (https://mobile.twitter.com/Dinfire/status/245670695231688704#!/Dinfire/status/245670695231688704)

@Dinfire (https://mobile.twitter.com/Dinfire) Do you know if the unannounced #WiiU (https://mobile.twitter.com/search/#WiiU)launch title you spoke of before is still coming this year or has been delayed?

@GT_NoTR (https://mobile.twitter.com/GT_NoTR) Should be this year. Should find out on Thursday at the press event.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 12, 2012, 02:28:23 PM
Caterkiller, you cock-tease!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on September 12, 2012, 04:44:05 PM
You're the one holding bananas!



...I got nothing.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on September 12, 2012, 11:28:54 PM
You're the one holding bananas!



...I got nothing.

No, that was actually pretty good.

Can't wait for tomorrows news..
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Anth0ny on September 13, 2012, 12:34:10 AM
Sakurai just retweeted the tweet regarding the announcement of the Japanese Nintendo Direct tonight.

The last time he did that, they announced Namco Bandai was working on the next Smash Bros.

oh boy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 13, 2012, 12:59:32 AM
Sakurai just retweeted the tweet regarding the announcement of the Japanese Nintendo Direct tonight.

The last time he did that, they announced Namco Bandai was working on the next Smash Bros.

oh boy.


****, the hype train is in full force now. Smash Bros. Wii U (and 3DS?) ahoy!
Probably just a teaser trailer... :'(
Title: Wii U Dash Board and Sakurai Tweet
Post by: Caterkiller on September 13, 2012, 01:40:52 AM
Ok a rumor that isn't anything to get excited about. A trusted source on them Neogaf forums, IdeaMan, say's the real dash board to the Wii U is available to developers today. Up until now it was a place holder.


It's a continuation of the Wii dash board with some 3DS like updates. Doesn't sound too exciting to me, but here is the link. Maybe we will get to see it tomorrow. I think we already knew it was going to be like the Wii's channel system but it doesn't sound exciting at all. I could be wrong though.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42041244&postcount=8958 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42041244&postcount=8958)




Ok one more thing. I shouldn't bring this up but I will.
https://twitter.com/Sora_Sakurai (https://twitter.com/Sora_Sakurai)


Sakurai of Smash Bros fame as retweeted Nintendo's Nintendo Direct tweet. Last time he retweeted a Nintendo Direct, the announcement came that they were collaborating with Namco-Bandai.


Please don't expect Smash tomorrow, we know it's being made as I type, just don't expect it tomorrow. I just thought I'd mention it...














CHOO CHOO!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 13, 2012, 09:44:23 AM
Caterkiller, you cock-tease!
You're the one holding bananas!
LOL. I'd +1 you if I could.  ;D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 14, 2012, 12:41:59 AM
I'd actually prefer if Nintendo's pack-in hurt the sales of other mini-game comps.  We all know Nintendo's will be good and everyone else's will be ****.  Mini-game shovelware is what gave the Wii its casual image.  I don't want such titles to succeed.  It would be far better if things start off with shovelware selling poorly so as to discourage devs from making it.

That sounds good in theory, but remember shovelware is cheap to produce so even if it sells poorly I don't think it would do much to discourage more from being developed.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on September 14, 2012, 07:56:11 AM
Shovelware are like the games Atari were releasing before the market crashed. They are probably developed in 3 weeks with not even a shoestring budget.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 14, 2012, 01:07:12 PM
Shovelware are like the games Atari were releasing before the market crashed. They are probably developed in 3 weeks with not even a shoestring budget.
I think you need to do your homework. That was one game, E.T. and it was produced so quickly so as to tie in with the film's release popularity. And the crash happened in large part because of that one game, too. They sort of put their eggs all in one basket, produced way too many cartridges of E.T., which did not sell well (possibly due to the game's crappiness) and so thousands of cartridges became garbage. It is rumoured they were hastily buried in a land fill (or under a new developmet site?) in the desert.
At least, that is what I recall. If I am wrong, I will expect the cutomary skewering, starting with the turnabout observation that I need to do my homework!  :D
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 14, 2012, 01:12:42 PM
The crash already was starting, ET just personified it. The game did sell quite well, but it sucked (as did Pac-Man for the 2600, which Atari actually manufactured more copies of the game than 2600s which existed, so they thought millions would but one just for the game).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 14, 2012, 01:18:30 PM
I remember Pac Man on the 2600. I, like many, was a bit disappointed it wasn't exactly like the arcade game, but I enjoyed the heck out of it anyway. That and the Empire Strikes Back game which I got around the same time.
Ah, memories.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Tamazoid on September 15, 2012, 04:51:12 AM
Shovelware are like the games Atari were releasing before the market crashed. They are probably developed in 3 weeks with not even a shoestring budget.
I think you need to do your homework. That was one game, E.T. and it was produced so quickly so as to tie in with the film's release popularity. And the crash happened in large part because of that one game, too. They sort of put their eggs all in one basket, produced way too many cartridges of E.T., which did not sell well (possibly due to the game's crappiness) and so thousands of cartridges became garbage. It is rumoured they were hastily buried in a land fill (or under a new developmet site?) in the desert.
At least, that is what I recall. If I am wrong, I will expect the cutomary skewering, starting with the turnabout observation that I need to do my homework!  :D


My statement was hyperbole based on how Atari gave a developer one month to make E.T. and how the marketing manager of Atari told the President gamers wouldn't want to play Pacman and he was ignored. Also that there were many games released by different companies in that era that were heavily marketed but were of poor quality and other companies jumping on the video games band wagon while it was booming in the mid 80s.

Pacman probably had a bigger effect on the market crash than ET. I believe Atari manufactured 12 million cartridges when they had only sold 10 million 2600s. It ended up selling around 8 million if I recall correctly


I probably should stop making similar statements.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 15, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Shovelware are like the games Atari were releasing before the market crashed. They are probably developed in 3 weeks with not even a shoestring budget.


You could say that about any console game that came out before the NES. The gaming industry was revolutionized by games like Super Mario Bros., Castlevania, Mega Man, Legend of Zelda, Contra, etc.


I've played quite a few Atari games, and I feel sad that the industry's standards were so low back then.
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Post by: Sarail on September 15, 2012, 10:28:37 PM
Shovelware are like the games Atari were releasing before the market crashed. They are probably developed in 3 weeks with not even a shoestring budget.

You could say that about any console game that came out before the NES. The gaming industry was revolutionized by games like Super Mario Bros., Castlevania, Mega Man, Legend of Zelda, Contra, etc.

I've played quite a few Atari games, and I feel sad that the industry's standards were so low back then.
I don't know what kind of low you're talking about, but I had a blast between the ages of 3 to 5 playing games like Megamania, Pitfall, River Raid, Kangaroo, Asteroids, and even Mario Bros. on my Atari 2600. Even today, I'll fire up Megamania every once in a while just to see how high of a score I can get.

You're nuts, man.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 15, 2012, 10:44:23 PM
Shovelware are like the games Atari were releasing before the market crashed. They are probably developed in 3 weeks with not even a shoestring budget.
I think you need to do your homework. That was one game, E.T. and it was produced so quickly so as to tie in with the film's release popularity. And the crash happened in large part because of that one game, too. They sort of put their eggs all in one basket, produced way too many cartridges of E.T., which did not sell well (possibly due to the game's crappiness) and so thousands of cartridges became garbage. It is rumoured they were hastily buried in a land fill (or under a new developmet site?) in the desert.
At least, that is what I recall. If I am wrong, I will expect the cutomary skewering, starting with the turnabout observation that I need to do my homework!  :D


My statement was hyperbole based on how Atari gave a developer one month to make E.T. and how the marketing manager of Atari told the President gamers wouldn't want to play Pacman and he was ignored. Also that there were many games released by different companies in that era that were heavily marketed but were of poor quality and other companies jumping on the video games band wagon while it was booming in the mid 80s.

Pacman probably had a bigger effect on the market crash than ET. I believe Atari manufactured 12 million cartridges when they had only sold 10 million 2600s. It ended up selling around 8 million if I recall correctly


I probably should stop making similar statements.

It sold about 1.5 million copies, with 2.5-3.5 million unsold.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 15, 2012, 10:55:04 PM
Do you mean Pac-Man? Because it actually sold 7 million copies on the 2600.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 16, 2012, 07:50:03 AM
I wonder what an ET game could be like today if it were on HD consoles and if it were handled by a quality studio like Rocksteady and they were given a decent sized budget and all the time necessary to make it right.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 16, 2012, 09:02:58 AM
ET was never a movie that should have been made into a game...there just isn't content to make the game work...and it would suck.  Suck donkey balls...or something.  I dunno why every big movie is assumed to be able to be a video game...because it just isn't true. 
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 16, 2012, 10:08:45 AM
ET was never a movie that should have been made into a game...there just isn't content to make the game work...and it would suck.  Suck donkey balls...or something.  I dunno why every big movie is assumed to be able to be a video game...because it just isn't true. 

ET could be made into a quality title, but it might have to deviate a lot from the movie in order to be fun and interesting. Toy Story 3 was a fairly decent game. I imagine ET would probably work best if done in a similar vein.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 17, 2012, 12:59:57 AM
But Toy Story actually works as a movie franchise that could be made into a game...in fact it screams to create a game for it.  I did not mean to imply all movies can not make good games...some can and some can't. 

Toy Story 3 is perfect for game material...you have a band of Toys with different abilities working together to break out of Toy Prison and rescue their friends...and go on a huge adventure.  You have Stealth, Action game play right there...many characters to play as...possible co-op play...and more. 

ET...you have a singular chase scene and a story focused more on relationships and mystery than action. 
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 17, 2012, 03:57:41 AM
As I said it might have to deviate from the movie a lot in order to be fun and interesting. How many movie based games follow the movie to the letter anyway? All that's necessary is that it is set in the ET universe and uses the ET characters. Everything else can be altered to be more game friendly.
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Post by: Tamazoid on September 17, 2012, 08:08:23 AM
Yeah you could make an ET game about ET collecting ships parts for his ship to travel back home while the FBI are searching for him.
Oh wait.
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Post by: lolmonade on September 17, 2012, 09:09:10 AM
As I said it might have to deviate from the movie a lot in order to be fun and interesting. How many movie based games follow the movie to the letter anyway? All that's necessary is that it is set in the ET universe and uses the ET characters. Everything else can be altered to be more game friendly.

The real question isn't "is it possible to make a good E.T game?", but "does anyone actually want an E.T. game?".
 
And the answer to that question is an emphatic "No".
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 17, 2012, 09:48:07 AM
boy this thread has sure gone downhill, at least since Thursday. Wonder why? :P:
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 17, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
The real question isn't "is it possible to make a good E.T game?", but "does anyone actually want an E.T. game?".
 
And the answer to that question is an emphatic "No".

I wouldn't say no one. It is a popular movie...

And btw, check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Oz_%28video_game%29

Someone apparently made a Wizard of Oz video game for the Super Nintendo many many many decades after the movie came out. Didn't the movie come out in 1939 or something? So this was like 60 years later or something. So if that can be done, then an ET game 30 years later isn't that far fetched.

But the reason I brought the whole thing up is because everyone likes to hate on the ET Atari game because of how bad it sucked. I just can't help but wonder what an ET game would be like if it were done today on an HD console and by someone who had enough time and resources to make it good.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2012, 03:56:57 PM
I need to dig up some new rumors.... i'm not sure what happened in this thread, and i'm too afraid to go back and read it.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 17, 2012, 04:08:20 PM
I need to dig up some new rumors.... i'm not sure what happened in this thread, and i'm too afraid to go back and read it.
Don't.  It's not worth your sanity.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 17, 2012, 04:46:56 PM
I heard a rumor that the Wii U is going to be the hot toy of Christmas 2012.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 17, 2012, 05:13:37 PM
I heard a rumor that the Wii U is going to be the hot toy of Christmas 2012.
I heard a rumor that it's going to fail miserably because science.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 17, 2012, 09:20:02 PM
Actual rumor: Nintendo and partners taking steps to cut off system flippers?

First sign: Our own Andy Goergen has this experience when he goes to preorder:
Quote from: http://www.twitter.com/drewmg
GS told me today that they couldn't guarantee a Wii U on Day 1 for me, and that priority would be given to customers with more pre-orders.

Then I was told that more preorders got me higher priority in the queue.  I preordered NSMBU and LEGO City Undercover.

When I pressed them why preorders should matter, they said something about wanting to be sure I was a serious customer.

I asked about flippers...
Quote from: http://www.twitter.com/donaldmick
If this means they're telling the eBay flippers to jump off a cliff, I approve.

And got this response...
Quote from: http://www.twitter.com/drewmg
He specifically cited that as a reason as well.

Now tonight, a post on another prominent internet messageboard...
Quote from: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=491855
  It's a rumor I've heard from two sources now and one of those sources is a friend who works for Ebay. He said that internally there are serious talks of deterring resales of Wii U, which, in the past, has led to unhappy customers acting out and fake-bidding to sabotage auctions. Apparently there will be some screening/checks in place when it comes to listing the Wii U in the launch window and possibly a waiting period of 2 weeks to list the system when it releases.
 
 Seems a little harsh but Considering some of the backlashes from last gen it makes sense. I wonder if Nintendo could have possibly had a hand in that.

Has anyone else gotten this treatment when pre-ordering?
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Post by: Zach on September 17, 2012, 09:31:03 PM
Actual rumor: Nintendo and partners taking steps to cut off system flippers?

First sign: Our own Andy Goergen has this experience when he goes to preorder:
Quote from: http://www.twitter.com/drewmg
GS told me today that they couldn't guarantee a Wii U on Day 1 for me, and that priority would be given to customers with more pre-orders.

Then I was told that more preorders got me higher priority in the queue.  I preordered NSMBU and LEGO City Undercover.

When I pressed them why preorders should matter, they said something about wanting to be sure I was a serious customer.

I asked about flippers...
Quote from: http://www.twitter.com/donaldmick
If this means they're telling the eBay flippers to jump off a cliff, I approve.

And got this response...
Quote from: http://www.twitter.com/drewmg
He specifically cited that as a reason as well.

Now tonight, a post on another prominent internet messageboard...
Quote from: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=491855
  It's a rumor I've heard from two sources now and one of those sources is a friend who works for Ebay. He said that internally there are serious talks of deterring resales of Wii U, which, in the past, has led to unhappy customers acting out and fake-bidding to sabotage auctions. Apparently there will be some screening/checks in place when it comes to listing the Wii U in the launch window and possibly a waiting period of 2 weeks to list the system when it releases.
 
 Seems a little harsh but Considering some of the backlashes from last gen it makes sense. I wonder if Nintendo could have possibly had a hand in that.

Has anyone else gotten this treatment when pre-ordering?


Pre-ordered from best buy with no such requirements.  I can see how Ebay would be getting on this, people using their service to flip systems is bad for their image.  However, from the sound of it I would bet that Gamestop is just trying to get more pre-orders by telling customers they're "not guaranteed" a system, playing on the concerns about sellout, and on parent's fears of ruining little Johny's christmas by not getting the hot item.  GS probably doesn't care that much about what happens to the system after it's been payed for.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 17, 2012, 09:32:42 PM
If this is true, I very much approve. It sucks that someone who actually WANTS a system so they can play it, can't get one because someone else bought one just to sell it on eBay (and never had any intention of keeping it).
Title: GTA V Wii U?
Post by: Caterkiller on September 18, 2012, 01:30:01 AM
http://gimmegimmegames.com/2012/09/retailer-lists-grand-theft-auto-5-for-wii-u/ (http://gimmegimmegames.com/2012/09/retailer-lists-grand-theft-auto-5-for-wii-u/)


(http://gimmegimmegames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/gtawiiu.png)


This Swedish retailer has GTA V listed for Wii U. Accident? Who knows! I certainly don't. There is only one major 3rd party game I've been hearing reliable buzz about and this isn't it. I sure hope so though!
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Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2012, 01:33:37 AM
I think GTA V will get ported to the Wii U, but I don't think this is a confirmation by any means.

Now, about that other game you teased...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 18, 2012, 01:34:56 AM
uMote has a rear facing camera!?
Is Nintendo still keeping a few secrets from us? According to Firebrand games they are...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2012/sep/17/wii-u-interview?newsfeed=true (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2012/sep/17/wii-u-interview?newsfeed=true)
Quote
So you think the most interesting possibilities of the hardware won't be realised for a while?

There is still a degree of uncertainty about exactly what you can, should and must do with the Wii U, almost as if Nintendo is still working this out for itself, or not quite ready to show all its cards. Even though we have the hardware in house, we won't really know what it's all about until we see the first wave of first Party Titles, and see and play what Nintendo have been working on.

It definitely has a lot of scope for experimentation. The combination of a second viewport on handheld screen, very accurate gyroscopes and accelerometers, and front and back cameras seems to offer a lot of possibilities – and you're seeing some of the more obvious ideas already in titles like ZombiU. The Controller itself is light, nice to hold and has a great display on it – it feels impressive and natural in the hand; once you hold it and play with it, it does make sense – perhaps not in the revolutionary way Wii Remote made sense, but it is intriguing nonetheless.

Seems like an obvious inclusion to me, should it turn out not to be a misspoken feature.
I can already think of tons of uses for a rear facing camera on the uMote.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 18, 2012, 06:34:39 AM
Why does every developer play "the waiting game" with Nintendo consoles? You don't see them do this with Xbox and PlayStation consoles.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2012, 07:43:24 AM
Why does every developer play "the waiting game" with Nintendo consoles? You don't see them do this with Xbox and PlayStation consoles.

The same reason why so many people were posting comments threatening to kill themselves because Bayonetta 2 was announced as a Nintendo exclusive. Haters gonna hate, and what haters are going to hate is unfortunately Nintendo. There is clearly an anti-Nintendo bias in the industry and its been that way for the last 15 years or so. If you try to point out this bias they will deny it, but its the truth.
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Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2012, 08:27:25 AM
Yamauchi earned that reputation for Nintendo. Then, Iwata inherited the problem and has been trying to mend it ever since without completely turning his back on the principles that made Nintendo the company they are today.

"No, no, dig up, stupid!"

I don't think it's necessarily fair that Nintendo is still paying for mistakes made over a decade ago, but they haven't found a strategy that works for everyone. It's not as simple as following the leader because then, they'll never be the leader. I think they're as close as they've ever been with Wii U though no one knows if that's good enough yet.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 18, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
But then developers make the excuse that they "can't compete with Nintendo's games". Do they mean Nintendo's quality? Or sales?

Also, both Sony and Microsoft have plenty of 1st-party games, yet developers never complain about that.
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Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2012, 12:47:20 PM
Probably sales because quality is subjective and they most likely don't care about matching perceived quality as long as the games sell well. That's part of the problem. If a bad game sells well, they'll make more. If a bad game sells poorly, it's Nintendo's fault for making better games that people actually want. Not every time, but that doesn't really matter because it's nonsense if it happens more than never.

I think it's a concern, but perhaps grossly overblown. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm more than ready and willing to support 3rd parties if they didn't treat me like a 2nd class gamer and an idiot who accepts shoddy ports and other quarter ass efforts. Give me the same games that are on PS3 and 360 with the same effort and quality and I'll gladly consider your wares.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 02:43:53 AM
You know, it's odd that developers strive for perfection when making games for Xbox and PlayStation consoles, but when they make a game for Nintendo, they just half-ass it. Why give Nintendo gamers a sub-par effort like that? Do they really think Nintendo gamers deserve less?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 19, 2012, 03:17:54 AM
Developers will half ass projects if they think they can sell it and still make a profit.  Only a few projects can be the high dollar budgets...and it is usually only the biggest multi-platform games that are getting the large budgets.  Nintendo didn't get the ports because it would have cost them too much money to port the games. 

You can actually see this same trend in Nintendo's games.  You see Nintendo releasing 2 really big high budget titles a year...sometimes only 1.  And then they have 2-3 smaller budget games they release.   The more games they release a year...it seems the smaller the budgets for many of those games, because Nintendo has to look at it from a business perspective. 

If Nintendo is doing it...of course the 3rd party developers are doing it.
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Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 07:45:55 AM
Nintendo's smaller budget games are still generally well made. That's the difference. Nintendo might put more care and money into Zelda and Mario, but their 2nd tier franchises won't be released riddled with glitches and errors.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 19, 2012, 09:49:45 AM
That may be because of the level of talent Nintendo has...and the level of talent Nintendo chooses to partner with on their lower budget games. 

But I still say a 3rd party developer will make crap for any system if they believe it will make them money, and they can get away with it.
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Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 10:00:11 AM
I agree. I was only point out that when Nintendo releases smaller budget games, they're still held to up to quality standards. I wonder if 3rd parties understand the difference because blaming placing the blame on Nintendo isn't especially fair. Don't put out a crap game then act flabbergasted when it performs poorly. Even if the 1st or 2nd don't, consumers wise up.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 19, 2012, 10:24:13 AM
Good points, but that still doesn't explain why developers put their best games on Xbox and PlayStation consoles, while Nintendo consoles usually get the B-team efforts.
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Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 10:31:13 AM
If I'm going to spend millions on a high profile game that will carry my company for the quarter or even the Christmas season, I want my best team on it. Then, I (hopefully) get a competent team to port over to PS3 or 360, whichever was not the lead platform. If there's a Wii version, that's like making an entirely new game and it's less priority since it's expected to sell less. If I'm putting all my eggs in the HD basket, my best team isn't working on the only non-HD console (version or original game). I'm not saying I agree with the sentiment, but that's probably the reason.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 19, 2012, 01:08:22 PM
The Wii's lower graphic standards and perceived casual audience allows you to get away with less.  That becomes the B-team project because the bare bones standards for a PS360 games is higher.  Also it isn't Wii vs. PS3 or Wii vs. Xbox 360.  It's Wii vs. PS3, Xbox 360 and PC COMBINED.  The Wi is the best selling console but doesn't sell better than everything else put together.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 19, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
Sometimes the Nintendo SKU team (the so-called "B-team") did it better than the lead SKU team (i.e., PS3 or 360). Like for Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Guitar Hero World Tour and GH5, and Dark Void Zero (the DSi tie-in game which folks liked much better than the console game).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 02:09:17 PM
The Wii's lower graphic standards and perceived casual audience allows you to get away with less.  That becomes the B-team project because the bare bones standards for a PS360 games is higher.  Also it isn't Wii vs. PS3 or Wii vs. Xbox 360.  It's Wii vs. PS3, Xbox 360 and PC COMBINED.  The Wi is the best selling console but doesn't sell better than everything else put together.

In the early years of this generation the PS2 still seen some support and probably benefited the Wii to some extent, because a game developed for the PS2 could easily transition to the Wii. So in the first year or two it was PS2 and Wii Vs. everything else. Eventually though the PS2 support died off, so now the Wii was in a category by itself.

Hopefully the Wii U situation isn't going to be a repeat of that. Is it more accurate to describe the Wii U as the first 8th gen console, or the last 7th gen console? This is the question. It has 4 times the RAM of the Xbox360, but didn't the Wii have a similar technical advantage in power over the PS2?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 02:12:35 PM
Sometimes the Nintendo SKU team (the so-called "B-team") did it better than the lead SKU team (i.e., PS3 or 360). Like for Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Guitar Hero World Tour and GH5, and Dark Void Zero (the DSi tie-in game which folks liked much better than the console game).
Good for them. I don't mean that to sound sarcastic. Maybe they had a chip on their shoulder for being considered that B-team. It doesn't really matter. It's always a great thing when developers work their asses off to put out a quality product. It's also a great thing for Wii owners (even if I never played any of those games myself).
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 19, 2012, 03:27:51 PM
Another thing to note is that devs will naturally want to work on newer and more powerful hardware.  They're creative people with ambitious ideas (at least until the publisher breaks their spirit).  Chozo pointed out how Wii projects could also get PS2 versions.  Yeah, what ambitious game developer wants to make a PS2 game after the PS3 is already out?  No one is going to volunteer for that, they'll get assigned.  How inspired are you if you feel you got "stuck" with the old hardware?

I think Nintendo really underestimated that.  What developer would want to stick with last-gen hardware while the rest of the industry moves forward?  Motion control was never THAT enticing.  And while Nintendo had thought about it for a long time and thus could pump themselves up, the rest of the industry had the idea dumped on them unexpectedly.  Devs would have been dreaming about what new games they could make for more advanced hardware and now Nintendo says "forgot those ideas.  Stick with the current hardware and make ideas for this peripheral you had never even thought of before."  Who wants to be yanked in another direction like that?

I'm sure someone will suggest that if devs are so ambitious and want new hardware why didn't they flock to the 3DO or Jaguar back in the day.  Well they didn't have to.  They knew Sega and Nintendo were going to make a follow-up to the Genesis and SNES.  It's easier and smarter from a business perspective to just stay the course since they would get to use the new hardware in a few years.  But with the Wii Nintendo was telling them to hold back for a whole generation.  That's a huge difference.
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Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 03:34:05 PM
Some developers made some flat-out fucking fantastic games on DS even with the PSP out...
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 04:17:40 PM
I'm sure someone will suggest that if devs are so ambitious and want new hardware why didn't they flock to the 3DO or Jaguar back in the day.

I think a lot of them did.... at least at first. The 3DO had a large software library because the licensing fees were "3 Dollars Only" which is where the 3DO name came from. Unfortunately, most of the software was hastily slapped together interactive video CD games which were popular at the time. And as for the Jaguar, it was the console where the Rayman franchise by Ubisoft made its debut. The Jaguar also had Doom, Wolfenstein 3D, Tempest 2000, and Aliens Vs. Predator. All of them highly acclaimed games of the era.

So from a developer standpoint the support was kinda there at first, but consumers didn't buy the systems (or the games) so that caused the developer support to dry up. The 3DO was $799 which I believe makes it the most expensive console of all time (especially when you factor in inflation), so its easy to understand why that console failed. The Jaguar debuted at $249.99 which was a reasonable price, but probably what killed that was the fact it was cartridge based and the Atari name had a very bad reputation at that point. Also, the Jaguar controller is considered one of the worst controllers of all time. But in any case, my point is that they died more because of rejection from consumers rather than rejection from developers. Ultimately developers rejected them too after their games didn't sell, but initially the support was there.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 19, 2012, 04:24:20 PM
which is where the 3DO name came from.

Actually, no. The companies name came from standing for "3 dimensional object". The $3 thing is just a misconception because they picked that a their royalty rate (they probably did it on purpose).
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Post by: MrPhishfood on September 19, 2012, 04:41:37 PM
Nintendo has to deal with a lot of stuff being both a publisher and a console manufacturer. If you live in the UK and went inside a GAME (http://www.game.co.uk/) store did you ever notice how Nintendo products are always near the back of the store or some hidden away corner?

This is because Nintendo refuses to pay GAME for "premium" space, they have a weird antagonistic business relationship with each other. When GAME were starting to go bankrupt Nintendo were the first to refuse them stock of new games because they knew GAME wouldn't be able to pay for them at a later date, then Capcom did the same.

This talk of the 3DO is kind of interesting too. I think today's equivalent of the 3DO may just be the Ouya (http://www.ouya.tv/). You may eventually have to scroll through a ton of crap to find the real gems.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 19, 2012, 05:20:33 PM
This talk of the 3DO is kind of interesting too. I think today's equivalent of the 3DO may just be the Ouya (http://www.ouya.tv/). You may eventually have to scroll through a ton of crap to find the real gems.
Actually, scrolling through the crap to find the real gems can also be what the Wii was outside of 1st party efforts.  Ouya is an unknown quantity and can't really be compared to anything at this point.  If it never materializes, it'll be another Phantom.  If it does, we don't know exactly how popular it will be. 
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 20, 2012, 01:58:44 AM
This talk of the 3DO is kind of interesting too. I think today's equivalent of the 3DO may just be the Ouya (http://www.ouya.tv/). You may eventually have to scroll through a ton of crap to find the real gems.

The Ouya will cost $700 less than the 3DO so that's an important key difference which should allow the Ouya to succeed where the 3DO failed. Also, the licensing fee to create a game on the Ouya is nonexistent because its a purely open platform. The 3DO was super cheap, but there's still a difference between super cheap and completely free.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 20, 2012, 07:26:48 AM
The Ouya is not today's 3DO...there is no today's 3DO.
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 20, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
BranDogg is today's 3DO. I am today's Phillip's CD-i. Kairon is today's Neo Geo.
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Post by: Kairon on September 20, 2012, 06:20:42 PM
Kairon is today's Neo Geo.

I...I am? Couldn't I be like... The Jaguar or something? (Wotta controller) Or the...the Pippin? (WOTTA CONTROLLER!)
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Post by: Shaymin on September 20, 2012, 06:29:00 PM
You could be the Jaguar CD, and be a dental camera.
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Post by: MysticGohan on September 20, 2012, 07:28:04 PM
You could be the Jaguar CD, and be a dental camera.

didn't that thing look like a toilet?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 20, 2012, 08:58:16 PM
I never really thought about myself as a 3DO, but I guess you're right.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 20, 2012, 10:01:24 PM
Ok,  so someone who brags about their power but usually under performs compared to others is a PS3

Someone who is slightly inept but strangely popular is a Wii...

Someone who is different just to be different, and therefore thinks themselves superior is an iPad or any Apple product...

Someone who is an expensive date...but will never deliver of his/her promises is a Vita.

A person who is easy to chill with and someone that always want to have hanging around you is a Nintendo DS...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kairon on September 20, 2012, 11:21:52 PM
You could be the Jaguar CD, and be a dental camera.

didn't that thing look like a toilet?

Oh man the Jaguar CD... it looks AWESOME! I love how when I was younger every video game console and their controllers doubled as space ship toys...
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 21, 2012, 02:55:21 AM
The Jaguar was made in the USA by an American company. That sets it apart from all the other consoles of the era which were made by Japanese companies. The Xbox is made by an American company (Microsoft), but since its made overseas I'm not sure if that really counts. But anyway, the Jaguar was the last truly American video game console. Too bad Atari didn't appeal to patriotism when they marketed the thing because that might have helped make a difference.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 21, 2012, 12:25:51 PM
I think Atari did somewhat push the "Made in the USA" thing.  The Jaguar bombed because it just wasn't all that impressive.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 21, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
The Jaguar bombed because it just wasn't all that impressive.

It was the first 64 bit system, beating the N64 by 3 years. Although technically I think its more accurate to describe it as a 32 bit/64 bit hybrid because from what I understand there was two chips in it but only one was truly 64bit. Some of the games on it did look pretty impressive by 1993 standards.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 21, 2012, 04:52:00 PM
Jaguar was not 64 bit at all, and they got ripped to shreds by the competition because of it. It did have 64-bit co-processors, but the CPU and GPU operated at 32-bit.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 21, 2012, 05:11:39 PM
I meant impressive in the sense of its games.  I remember when it came out and the initial games just didn't stand out all that well.  Games like Cybermorph or Trevor McFur were laughable.  Of course they later got games like Alien vs. Predator.  It did not make a good first impression during a time where the Genesis and SNES were on a major roll.  The Jaguar ain't like the Dreamcast where an incredibly impressive system with a great library flopped.

The Neo Geo was always more known as an arcade system and the home system was just some niche hardcore thing.  Unlike the Jaguar or 3DO, Neo Geo was regularly talked about among kids at my school (though a distant number four to Sega, Nintendo and PC games).  We all liked it, we all wanted one, but it was just too expensive.  But we all played Samurai Shodown in the arcade and talked about it.  Because of the arcade system, Neo Geo games were never obscure like Jaguar or 3DO games were (and still are).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 21, 2012, 06:02:52 PM
Jaguar was not 64 bit at all, and they got ripped to shreds by the competition because of it. It did have 64-bit co-processors, but the CPU and GPU operated at 32-bit.

That's why I said it was a hybrid 32/64 bit system. Whether it was 64bit or not is debatable. Some would argue it was, and others would argue it wasn't, but both are right depending on how you look at it. Its just like the Turbografix-16 which has 16 bit graphics but an 8 bit CPU, so was that really a 16 bit system? The answer is both yes and no.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 21, 2012, 07:32:42 PM
Do any of you even know what 64-bit means?
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 21, 2012, 08:07:29 PM
Do any of you even know what 64-bit means?

Four times the power of the Sega Genesis. DUH!
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Post by: Ceric on September 21, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
Do any of you even know what 64-bit means?
64 Bit registers.
Though IA64 Has many more registers as well shame AMD killed that by releasing x86 extended to 64
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 22, 2012, 05:52:40 AM
Do any of you even know what 64-bit means?

Four times the power of the Sega Genesis. DUH!

That was how people who grew up back then seen it. The companies marketed more bits as being better, and we simply bought it without even really understanding why. It was a major selling point of the N64. So much so, that Nintendo deliberately included the number 64 in the name of the system as well as in many of the games to drive home the fact it was double the bits of the competition. Was it really that much superior than the PS1? Probably not, but as a kid you blindly believed it.

Title: Retro making an engine?
Post by: Caterkiller on September 25, 2012, 10:40:46 PM
http://gengame.net/2012/09/rumor-retro-studios-is-working-on-game-engines-for-wii-u/ (http://gengame.net/2012/09/rumor-retro-studios-is-working-on-game-engines-for-wii-u/)


The rumor is Retro is making game engines for Wii U.


It's an interesting read. I have no comment about the UE4 thing. As far as I know it was inevitable that it would be available for Wii U productions. Unless all this dates way the heck back and this is why UE4 is being supported on Wii U. Still expect UE4 all over the place.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 25, 2012, 11:47:04 PM
As far as engines are concerned, Nintendo has licensed so many for use internally by 1st & 2nd parties, and externally for 3rd parties, that I would be surprised if they were really creating an engine from scratch, as the article made it seem more like they may have been tweaking an existing engine (such as UE4) to work with the Wii U and then showing other developers how to get the same results.


[edit: On second thought, I guess it's possible that Retro could have made an engine so nice, that they showed other engine creators, such as Epic, that Wii U can infact do most, if not all, the same effects they thought it not capable of doing, and therefore convinced them to reconsider their stance on Wii U support.


Really makes you eager to see exactly what it is that Retro is actually working on right now]

Rumor from before was that Nintendo was in constant back and forth talks with Epic about UE4 and there was some tweaking going on. Maybe it wasn't just final hardware specs that Nintendo was tweaking, but also engine code for the rough build of UE4 in an attempt to show Epic that with some official support, Wii U was capable of some amazing results.

Now I can't say with 100% certainty that UE4 is being supported officially by Epic on Wii U, but besides Caterkiller and his source, another source has shown me a little evidence that Wii U is officially supported as of earlier this year.

So regardless of whose rumors you decide to believe, it seems pretty clear to me that Nintendo is pretty serious about lowering the bar of entry for everyone when it comes to developing on the Wii U (we need all those 3rd party ports and support in general), so expecting that they would go above and beyond to convince the most popular 3rd party engine of last gen to get on board with the Wii U seems very plausible to me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 27, 2012, 10:15:55 AM
Retro has been an invaluable asset for Nintendo. Too bad they are Nintendo's only official link to the Western development world. Nintendo needs to buy (or startup) a second Western studio. It's surprising that a company as big as Nintendo tends to keep all their game development within Japan. Why not open up a few more European and American studios to diversify their portfolio?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 27, 2012, 10:27:48 AM
Retro has been an invaluable asset for Nintendo. Too bad they are Nintendo's only official link to the Western development world. Nintendo needs to buy (or startup) a second Western studio. It's surprising that a company as big as Nintendo tends to keep all their game development within Japan. Why not open up a few more European and American studios to diversify their portfolio?

It's too hard to upend tea tables from half way around the world.
Although they could have a robot that rolls around each office set up with cameras and wifi so that Miyamoto can keep an eye on these studios and remotely have the robot upend the tea tables for him.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 27, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
they could have a robot that rolls around each office set up with cameras and wifi so that Miyamoto can keep an eye on these studios and remotely have the robot upend the tea tables for him.
Ha!
+1 from me (if I could; I assume that ability willl show up one day.)
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 27, 2012, 10:41:15 AM
Retro has been an invaluable asset for Nintendo. Too bad they are Nintendo's only official link to the Western development world. Nintendo needs to buy (or startup) a second Western studio. It's surprising that a company as big as Nintendo tends to keep all their game development within Japan. Why not open up a few more European and American studios to diversify their portfolio?

It's too hard to upend tea tables from half way around the world.
Although they could have a robot that rolls around each office set up with cameras and wifi so that Miyamoto can keep an eye on these studios and remotely have the robot upend the tea tables for him.

Then Nintendo should give more power to NOA and NOE. Let NOA and NOE make their own decisions and fund their own studios, instead of using them as puppets. Sony gives SCEA and SCEE their own corporate freedom, and it's worked out quite well for the company. They have a diverse portfolio of games and developers to utilize.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 27, 2012, 10:51:32 AM
Nintendo should buy Sony Santa Monica
And Rockstar San Diego
 
Nintendo should buy Everything
And Everybody
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Post by: Kytim89 on September 28, 2012, 02:42:03 AM
Retro has been an invaluable asset for Nintendo. Too bad they are Nintendo's only official link to the Western development world. Nintendo needs to buy (or startup) a second Western studio. It's surprising that a company as big as Nintendo tends to keep all their game development within Japan. Why not open up a few more European and American studios to diversify their portfolio?

It's too hard to upend tea tables from half way around the world.
Although they could have a robot that rolls around each office set up with cameras and wifi so that Miyamoto can keep an eye on these studios and remotely have the robot upend the tea tables for him.

Then Nintendo should give more power to NOA and NOE. Let NOA and NOE make their own decisions and fund their own studios, instead of using them as puppets. Sony gives SCEA and SCEE their own corporate freedom, and it's worked out quite well for the company. They have a diverse portfolio of games and developers to utilize.

SEGA had a similar corporate setup as what you are describing and it ended up with the three major branches of the company being a bigger threat to each other that their actual competitors like Nintendo. The lack of consolidation with the various branches of SEGA is what led to the Saturn fiasco, and eventually the downfall of the company's hardware empire. There is a reason why one divisin controls everything and writes checks: consolidation equals success.
 
As for Sony, while their first party games are very superb, the fact that the company has experienced massive debt in everyone of its divisions tells me that Sony is not a company that I would want to emulate.
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Post by: MysticGohan on September 28, 2012, 04:05:53 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Sega ironically, a Company started by an American after WWII? Could've sworn I heard it somewhere.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 10:55:36 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Sega ironically, a Company started by an American after WWII? Could've sworn I heard it somewhere.

Yes, it was founded as Service Games (which is where "Sega" came from), and he would import games from America to Japan. Eventually they merged with Rosen Enterprises (found by David Rosen, they started as a company that made two-minute photo booths and later imported coin-op games to Japan) to become Sega Enterprises. So yeah, Sega is an American-created company (from 1969-1982 they were even owned by Gulf+Western, the company now known as Viacom).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2012, 11:07:35 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Sega ironically, a Company started by an American after WWII? Could've sworn I heard it somewhere.

Yes, it was founded as Service Games (which is where "Sega" came from), and he would import games from America to Japan. Eventually they merged with Rosen Enterprises (found by David Rosen, they started as a company that made two-minute photo booths and later imported coin-op games to Japan) to become Sega Enterprises. So yeah, Sega is an American-created company (from 1969-1982 they were even owned by Gulf+Western, the company now known as Viacom).

You're gonna tell me you didn't have to wiki search that info, and all of that, names dates and all, were common everyday knowledge in that head of yours?


edit: LOL haha just noticed this


TJ Spyke (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4306)
Wikipedia Lite


nice
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Post by: MysticGohan on September 28, 2012, 11:09:23 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Sega ironically, a Company started by an American after WWII? Could've sworn I heard it somewhere.

Yes, it was founded as Service Games (which is where "Sega" came from), and he would import games from America to Japan. Eventually they merged with Rosen Enterprises (found by David Rosen, they started as a company that made two-minute photo booths and later imported coin-op games to Japan) to become Sega Enterprises. So yeah, Sega is an American-created company (from 1969-1982 they were even owned by Gulf+Western, the company now known as Viacom).

You're gonna tell me you didn't have to wiki search that info, and all of that, names dates and all, were common everyday knowledge in that head of yours?


edit: LOL haha just noticed this


TJ Spyke (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4306)[size=0.85em]Wikipedia Lite
[/size]
  • [size=0.85em][/size]

    nice
lol +1 for BnM
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Post by: Ceric on September 28, 2012, 11:31:54 AM
TJ Spyke vs Prospective Jeopardy Contestant Shaymin!
Fight to the Death Death Death.

First will be the Price is Right Round.
Second be the Jeopardy Round.
Ending in the Wrastl'n Round.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 11:51:58 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Sega ironically, a Company started by an American after WWII? Could've sworn I heard it somewhere.

Yes, it was founded as Service Games (which is where "Sega" came from), and he would import games from America to Japan. Eventually they merged with Rosen Enterprises (found by David Rosen, they started as a company that made two-minute photo booths and later imported coin-op games to Japan) to become Sega Enterprises. So yeah, Sega is an American-created company (from 1969-1982 they were even owned by Gulf+Western, the company now known as Viacom).

You're gonna tell me you didn't have to wiki search that info, and all of that, names dates and all, were common everyday knowledge in that head of yours?


edit: LOL haha just noticed this


TJ Spyke (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4306)
Wikipedia Lite


nice

I had to look up the dates it was owned by Gulf+Western, but I did know everything else (mainly from reading Steven Kent's The Ultimate History of Video Games multiple times before).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 03:58:16 PM

Yes, it was founded as Service Games (which is where "Sega" came from), and he would import games from America to Japan. Eventually they merged with Rosen Enterprises (found by David Rosen, they started as a company that made two-minute photo booths and later imported coin-op games to Japan) to become Sega Enterprises. So yeah, Sega is an American-created company (from 1969-1982 they were even owned by Gulf+Western, the company now known as Viacom).


So technically SEGA is an American company that's based in Japan with all-Japanese employees. But SEGA does a lot of software development in America, too. So are they an American or Japanese company?
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Post by: ThePerm on September 28, 2012, 07:14:47 PM
Retro is not only making engines, they wouldn't have hired some amazing character modelers otherwise. They are probably making a really good engine though, but a game too.

Chances are it will be a very powerful engine that will be used by Nintendo internally thmselves, and a select group of 3rd parties who will make new games, or ports.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 28, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
Retro is not only making engines, they wouldn't have hired some amazing character modelers otherwise. They are probably making a really good engine though, but a game too.

Chances are it will be a very powerful engine that will be used by Nintendo internally thmselves, and a select group of 3rd parties who will make new games, or ports.


Who would have thought we'd see Nintendo making an internal game engine for widespread use. Technically, Retro is making it, but they are owned by Nintendo and they answer to Nintendo HQ.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 28, 2012, 10:39:32 PM
So technically SEGA is an American company that's based in Japan with all-Japanese employees. But SEGA does a lot of software development in America, too. So are they an American or Japanese company?

No, SEGA is technically a terrible company with all-incompetent executives.


Just kidding SEGA, btw...I might apply for a job with you one day...
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Post by: MegaByte on September 29, 2012, 12:14:15 AM
So technically SEGA is an American company that's based in Japan with all-Japanese employees. But SEGA does a lot of software development in America, too. So are they an American or Japanese company?
No, they are a Japanese company. They were bought by Japanese in the 80s and again in the 2000s. They also closed down much of their American and European operations over the past year.
Title: Metal Gear Rising U, spring 2013!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2012, 11:44:07 AM
HipHopGamer says: Metal Gear Rising coming to Wii U
to be announced next year for Wii U w/ extra content and better graphics than the PS360 versions

direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNciGYEu-zo#t=2m38s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNciGYEu-zo#t=2m38s)

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Post by: Ceric on October 01, 2012, 12:01:43 PM
Platinum Games was on that reel.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2012, 12:29:14 PM
Platinum Games was on that reel.

Yep. It seems Platinum Games is (co-)developing the game, and it's releasing on my birthday.

Nintendo Cozying up to Platinum may have it perks after all ;)
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Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2012, 12:42:47 PM
Nintendo Cozying up to Platinum may have it perks after all ;)
If only Shinji Mikami was still working with Platinum Games... Blerg! /LizLemonStyle

Assuming this is true, would you prefer extra content/better graphics or the game released alongside the other versions? I wonder if Nintendo could convince Konami to allow Platinum Games to port Ground Zeroes to Wii U. I know GZ is using Kojima Productions' own Fox Engine (instead of Platinum Games' own engine like Rising), but a girl can dream, right?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2012, 01:14:00 PM
I'd want both, considering P* knows the Wii U inside and out. I'm sure they've been developing all versions side by side, considering their relationship with Nintendo recently. I really don't see why we couldn't have both (outside of the MS clause for game parity, but we can circumvent that with Wii U exclusive DLC at launch).
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Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2012, 01:41:25 PM
I think we'd all want both. I was asking mostly in a hypothetical either/or scenario. If I could only pick one, I'd take the extra content.

I'm pretty excited about Nintendo and Platinum Games' relationship lately. They're exact the type of developer Nintendo should be working with because Nintendo is deficient in the types of games they make. Yeah, they're mostly niche, but they fill a need and there are people who would buy a whole console just for their games.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 01, 2012, 02:49:06 PM
I applaud moves like this and how Nintendo snagged Bayonetta 2 and buying Fatal Frame and so forth. But I still can't get over the fact it took Nintendo so long to do this. Why didn't they make these moves years ago when they were sorely needed on the Wii? Its like even Nintendo knew the Wii was a lost cause, so they decided to wait until their next console before doing anything.
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Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2012, 02:58:54 PM
Something specifically like Platinum Games might have to do with timing. Platinum Games released their 1st games in 2009. The Wonderful 101 is a launch window game and has probably been in development since 2010. Nintendo acted as quickly as one could hope here. It made more sense to work with them to make a Wii U game than Wii swan song.

Nintendo have made moves throughout the Wii's life and before then. They did scoop up Monolith Soft back in 2007 who then opened a new studio in Kyoto in 2011. These things take time and money. Nintendo hasn't been sitting idly by. Some moves have worked better than others. For every Monolith Soft, there's Silicon Knights.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 01, 2012, 03:05:16 PM
I applaud moves like this and how Nintendo snagged Bayonetta 2 and buying Fatal Frame and so forth. But I still can't get over the fact it took Nintendo so long to do this. Why didn't they make these moves years ago when they were sorely needed on the Wii? Its like even Nintendo knew the Wii was a lost cause, so they decided to wait until their next console before doing anything.

Well yeah since videogames take years to make.  The Wii was on top of the world from 2006 to 2010.  By the time Wii sales finally took a huge hit was 2011 and by that time Nintendo was already planning for a Wii U release in 2012 making it pointless to try and get more big third party games on the Wii before the end of its life.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 01, 2012, 03:32:17 PM
Well yeah since videogames take years to make.

That's why I specifically said in my post that this should have been done years ago. That was my whole point. Waiting until its too late was a mistake. Sure, it will be a good thing for the Wii U, but it should have been done when it could have saved the Wii.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 01, 2012, 04:12:58 PM
That's why I specifically said in my post that this should have been done years ago. That was my whole point. Waiting until its too late was a mistake. Sure, it will be a good thing for the Wii U, but it should have been done when it could have saved the Wii.

Like I already said in my post, the Wii didn't need saving until 2011.  By that time it was too late to get anything done since its successor was just a year away.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 02, 2012, 11:28:43 AM
Platinum is making Ground Zeros? I thought that was Kojima's baby?

In your ideal scenario, who would you want to buy out Platinum? Konami, SEGA, or Nintendo?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on October 02, 2012, 11:59:47 AM
Platinum is making Ground Zeros?
No, Kojima Productions is. I was suggesting Nintendo ask Konami to allow Platinum Games to port the game to Wii U since they're familiar with the hardware.

Also, I would want Nintendo to buy Platinum Games. They fill a need for Nintendo and I would never need another console to play their games. That's just economical for me.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on October 02, 2012, 01:54:46 PM
I'd want Platinum to stay independent.  I'm tired of larger game companies gobbling up the independents.  I think too much consolidation will lead to bad things.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on October 02, 2012, 02:13:15 PM
I disagree. I'd love for Nintendo to grab them. They need some big guns to fight this war, and even though I disagree, western gamers don't consider Zelda, Mario, and Metroid big guns anymore. Seriously, look at the outrage that Bayonetta 2 has caused among core, western gamers online.

Nintendo needs more of that. Because if they do, then maybe western gamers will start taking them a bit more serious.

Could you imagine the riots if Nintendo purchased Naughty Dog from Sony? I fully believe people would commit suicide (as ridiculous as that sounds).
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 02, 2012, 03:03:52 PM
Like I already said in my post, the Wii didn't need saving until 2011.  By that time it was too late to get anything done since its successor was just a year away.

I would argue the Wii needed saving since about 2009. But either way, even if it didn't need saving it never hurts to expand the game support of the platform regardless. Nintendo (or anyone) shouldn't be content with game support being "good enough". They should never stop looking to expand it, whether its necessary or not.

And as far as saving a console goes, the wisest policy instead of saving it is to never let it get to the point where it needs to be saved in the first place. The path of wisdom is to think ahead and plan for the future so you never get into a position where there are lengthy game droughts. If it requires you to do something years in advance, then do it years in advance. Don't wait until its too late before you do it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on October 02, 2012, 05:33:17 PM
you cant control sales for third party games, that what ultimately hurt the wii. They sucked. Third parties didn't know what to do. The Wii was a success...for Nintendo. I think the Wii U will do what the Wii didn't. There are so many options, and its very versatile.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MrPhishfood on October 02, 2012, 09:44:05 PM
I can't remember who it was at Nintendo but they said they made the mistake was pushing too much in to casual gaming. While they made a lot of money from the casual gamers they weren't the type to stick around long enough to give Nintendo long lasting success. The core gamers are the ones who will stick around and continually increase their library of games.

I disagree. I'd love for Nintendo to grab them. They need some big guns to fight this war, and even though I disagree, western gamers don't consider Zelda, Mario, and Metroid big guns anymore.
You're underestimating the star power of Zelda and Metroid. Everytime a Wii U article gets posted somewhere I read comments like "I don't care about the specs I just want to play the next Smash Bros, Mario, Zelda and Metroid" I certainly consider Nintendo's key franchises to be big guns. If you mean "western gamers" as in the ones who exclusively play CoD and insert annual sports game here then you would be right.

I have no figures but I just imagine a lot of people grew up playing Nintendo games because that's what their parents bought for them; Nintendo being the most child friendly console maker. I expect when the Wii U is released parents will buy it for their kids once again thus ensuring a new generation that will be filled with excitement when next big Nintendo game or console is released. That nostalgia is something that stays.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 02, 2012, 09:56:36 PM
What I really hate is how PC elitist gamers consider themselves to be the only "true" gamers, like they're all part of some exclusive club. There's no such thing as a "true gamer". Gaming is for everyone enjoys it, regardless of whether they're casual players or mainstream "core" gamers.

I guess film critics are the only ones who truly appreciate movies, or painting is the only "true" art. See how ridiculous that sounds?
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Post by: noname2200 on October 04, 2012, 04:56:36 PM
I can't remember who it was at Nintendo but they said they made the mistake was pushing too much in to casual gaming. While they made a lot of money from the casual gamers they weren't the type to stick around long enough to give Nintendo long lasting success. The core gamers are the ones who will stick around and continually increase their library of games.

I am very interested to read this interview.
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Post by: Caterkiller on October 04, 2012, 11:46:14 PM
I can't remember who it was at Nintendo but they said they made the mistake was pushing too much in to casual gaming. While they made a lot of money from the casual gamers they weren't the type to stick around long enough to give Nintendo long lasting success. The core gamers are the ones who will stick around and continually increase their library of games.

I'm pretty certain Iwata said that. So far things seem to be moving smoothly. So far...
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Post by: Tamazoid on October 07, 2012, 02:09:58 AM
What I really hate is how PC elitist gamers consider themselves to be the only "true" gamers, like they're all part of some exclusive club. There's no such thing as a "true gamer". Gaming is for everyone enjoys it, regardless of whether they're casual players or mainstream "core" gamers.

I guess film critics are the only ones who truly appreciate movies, or painting is the only "true" art. See how ridiculous that sounds?


It's called the "Master Race" apparently.


Yeah Iwata said that earlier this year http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Multiformat/Nintendo+news/news.asp?c=40568
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 08, 2012, 10:11:31 AM
I'd want Platinum to stay independent.  I'm tired of larger game companies gobbling up the independents.  I think too much consolidation will lead to bad things.

You know those larger companies had to start out somewhere right? Every successful company has humble beginnings. Buying out companies and forming partnerships is the only way to grow in today's corporate world. That's how capitalism works.
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Post by: noname2200 on October 09, 2012, 05:00:19 PM
I'd want Platinum to stay independent.  I'm tired of larger game companies gobbling up the independents.  I think too much consolidation will lead to bad things.

You know those larger companies had to start out somewhere right? Every successful company has humble beginnings. Buying out companies and forming partnerships is the only way to grow in today's corporate world. That's how capitalism works.

I...can't say I agree. You can still grow organically, or at least mostly-organically.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 10, 2012, 11:53:19 PM
Here is one I think we missed, not sure if it was posted already:

http://d.iplsc.com/ebi/35773/Raport_IIQ_2012-08gotowy.pdf (http://d.iplsc.com/ebi/35773/Raport_IIQ_2012-08gotowy.pdf)
Painkiller: Hell & Damnation coming to Wii U?

Quote from: google translated
In June of 2012. A similar procedure has been completed regarding Nintendo, the third largest operator in the stationary consoles market. The Farm 51 Group developer has obtained an official game development license for the Wii U, whose premiere is planned in the fourth quarter of 2012. It should be noted that unlike the Xbox 360 platform and PlayStation 3, which are available on the market for several years, the opportunity to create games for the Wii U before the planned market launch is made ​​available only to developers who are are planning to release titles in the coming years particularly of interest to Nintendo. In this case, not only the history but experience and current status of the issuer was analyzed, as well as the market potential for future products. The issuer has taken this action in cooperation with the publisher Nordic Games, in plans involving production and release of new games in the series "Painkiller" for the Wii U.
source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41028909&postcount=16016 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41028909&postcount=16016)

I'm really hoping Wii U becomes a PC port haven, a sort of console version of steam with retain and indie PC projects. Touch screen controller really opens up the input options for PC style games.
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 16, 2012, 02:17:51 AM

]http://mynintendonews.com/2012/11/16/next-generation-unexpected-game-coming-to-wii-u/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/11/16/next-generation-unexpected-game-coming-to-wii-u/)



IdeaMan, a very reputible insider from Neogaf, has said a branded game that was thought to not be able to run on the Wii U is being made for the system. He knows what it is but can't reveal it.


Looking for the actual quote.
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Post by: MysticGohan on November 16, 2012, 02:21:08 AM
hmmm.... any ideas? can't really think of any such game.
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 16, 2012, 02:23:45 AM
Maybe that new Star Wars? 2020 or something?
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 16, 2012, 02:31:06 AM
It says "couldn't run on the Wii U". To me that implies it was  formally PC exclusive?  If it couldn't run on Wii U, then how would it run on the PS3 or 360?
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Post by: azeke on November 16, 2012, 02:47:59 AM
There aren't that many developers who said anything at all about how possible or not their new games are on WiiU.

Off the top of my head: Kojima with Ground Zero and Ancel with Beyond Good and Evil 2.
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 16, 2012, 02:49:32 AM
It says "couldn't run on the Wii U". To me that implies it was  formally PC exclusive?  If it couldn't run on Wii U, then how would it run on the PS3 or 360?

Your right, I don't know what I was thinking.
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Post by: azeke on November 16, 2012, 04:54:55 AM
I'm really hoping Wii U becomes a PC port haven, a sort of console version of steam with retain and indie PC projects. Touch screen controller really opens up the input options for PC style games.
Nintendo should have bought Blizzard when they had the chance. They could have Starcraft, Diablo and/or WoW working on WiiU in no time.
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Post by: Neifirst on November 16, 2012, 06:26:03 AM
Maybe that high profile game is Watch_Dogs.  It's an Ubisoft title, and they seem to be 100% behind the WiiU. 
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Post by: Ceric on November 16, 2012, 09:21:00 AM
I'm really hoping Wii U becomes a PC port haven, a sort of console version of steam with retain and indie PC projects. Touch screen controller really opens up the input options for PC style games.
Nintendo should have bought Blizzard when they had the chance. They could have Starcraft, Diablo and/or WoW working on WiiU in no time.
I don't know if WoW be a good fit for the WiiU with the mods necessary for the game.  Now Diablo and Starcraft sure.  Especially Diablo.

I'm going to throw out anything on this list with Kinect Required. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kinect_games)
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 16, 2012, 11:23:39 AM
I'm hoping for Watch Dogs.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 16, 2012, 12:03:58 PM
Maybe its StarWars 1313?

Only next gen games I can thin of are starwars, the unreal 4 game, and watchdogs.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 16, 2012, 01:33:31 PM
Given how much Ubisoft seems to love Nintendo right now, I think Watch Dogs is a good bet.
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Post by: Sarail on November 16, 2012, 11:51:45 PM
I want to make sweet, sweet love to Watch Dogs. That E3 showing completely blew me away.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2012, 12:35:14 AM

]http://mynintendonews.com/2012/11/16/next-generation-unexpected-game-coming-to-wii-u/ (http://mynintendonews.com/2012/11/16/next-generation-unexpected-game-coming-to-wii-u/)

IdeaMan, a very reputible insider from Neogaf, has said a branded game that was thought to not be able to run on the Wii U is being made for the system. He knows what it is but can't reveal it.

Looking for the actual quote.

I found the actual quote:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44383550&postcount=1131 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44383550&postcount=1131)

and besides the guess that Watch Dogs is coming, which is something I figured would happen.

based on the exact quote
Quote from: IdeaMan
I can't reveal the name, but a branded "next gen" game that some people thought couldn't run on Wii U seems to be in development for the system :p

Even if downscaling the engine may be employed, it shouldn't be to a point the developers behind wouldn't recognize what they envisioned for their game visually.

So it's a really promising news about the viability, the future proof aspect, of the system (along with other data we got like Shin'en comments on their NotEnoughShaders interview).

HYPE BEFORE LAUNCH GUYS ! :D

I'm gonna go with Beyond Good and Evil 2 for a few reasons.

1) IdeaMan's source(s) are obviously from Ubisoft

2) Watch Dogs isn't a "next gen" game

3) After the love that Nintendo has been showing Rayman, and the fact that BG&E2 was said to be  a real "next gen" game that can't be made on current systems. I think Nintendo convinced Mr. Ancel that not only is Wii U the first next-gen console, but since he has had so much experience on the Wii U already, thanks to Rayman, that Wii U should probably be included (if not the target console) for the sequel of the game that sold best on the GC.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 17, 2012, 02:56:56 AM
I want to make sweet, sweet love to Watch Dogs. That E3 showing completely blew me away.

It was amazing to be in the theater at the Ubisoft press conference when they showed it for the first time. Nobody knew it was coming, and the whole place erupted into cheers at the end of it. Easily the biggest surprise of the show.

@BnM: While I'm pretty sure Watch Dogs will end up being a next-gen game by the time it comes out two years from now, BG&E2 does make a lot of sense. If anyone is going to reconsider preconceptions about the power of the Wii U, it's a guy who's already made a big exclusive game for it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2012, 03:10:46 AM
Is Watch Dogs 2 years away? I thought it was 2013 and definitely coming to PS3/360?


http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/06/watch-dogs-coming-to-xbox-360-and-ps3-for-sure-producer-says/
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 17, 2012, 03:32:51 AM
They may say that, but there is no way that game is ready to come out next year.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 17, 2012, 12:05:17 PM
It could have been in development for years, for all we know.
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Post by: Louieturkey on November 17, 2012, 01:17:55 PM
They may say that, but there is no way that game is ready to come out next year.
There is always a way.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 17, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
Watchdogs is already pretty much confrimed for the Wii U.  We already know its going to be on xbox 360 and include smartglass features. It wouldn't be a strech to see the game come out on the Wii U as well.
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Post by: Caliban on November 17, 2012, 08:08:31 PM
I'm going to say it's a Crysis game.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 19, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
So, BnM, now that the Wii U is finally out, any chance we might get a compare list of rumours vs what ended up being true (or still has yet to be confirmed, lol)?


I know it would be a lot of work but I sure would love to see it.
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Post by: Stoeff.at on November 19, 2012, 04:54:41 PM
not a rumor but a fact:
wii games will be upscaled to HD if you play them on wiiU, altough nintendo said they would not be.
this happens after installing the first 1GB firmware update.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 19, 2012, 04:56:19 PM
Is it the Wii U that's upscaling, or the TV? How can you tell which is doing the upscaling?
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Post by: Oblivion on November 19, 2012, 05:02:54 PM
Source please?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 19, 2012, 05:04:18 PM
Source please?


There's an article at GoNintendo that has a picture of a TV screen that says "1080p".
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Post by: Oblivion on November 19, 2012, 05:05:22 PM
I was talking to the dude above you.
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Post by: Stoeff.at on November 19, 2012, 05:36:06 PM
Source please?

sry dude, did not know links to other sides are allowed.

http://wiiu.gaming-universe.de/news/309_wiispiele-auf-der-wii-u-doch-auf-hd-skaliert.html
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Post by: MysticGohan on November 19, 2012, 06:04:43 PM
Source please?

sry dude, did not know links to other sides are allowed.

http://wiiu.gaming-universe.de/news/309_wiispiele-auf-der-wii-u-doch-auf-hd-skaliert.html

Is there an English translation? lol
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 20, 2012, 02:48:59 AM
I've been reading about this as well.  I have not been thorough enough to confirm either. I suppose I could just try myself, but that's another update right?
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Post by: Mannypon on November 20, 2012, 04:04:34 AM
This was being discussed in a thread in Neogaf but for the life of me I can't remember which one and threads move so fast over there that its a pain to try and find it now.  From what I had read and the images I saw from users that had actually tried it, it seems to work.  It looks like the WiiU upscales Wii games to HD.  Now it isn't the same as what Dolphin does as in taking the original source and outputting it in HD.  This just upscales it similar to what most HD tvs already do but users have been saying that the quality is better than what you get from TVs.  They have said the image is slightly sharper.  I'll see if I can try and find some more info tomorrow or try it out myself.  Time to take my ass to bed lol.  Catch you all tomorrow.
 
EDIT:  Decided to do a quick google search to help find that neogaf thread and I lucked out.  Here's the page
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500423 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500423)

Here's a good video from IGN demonstrating it, you can really see the difference near the end when they show actual gameplay.
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/11/19/do-wii-games-look-better-on-wii-u (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/11/19/do-wii-games-look-better-on-wii-u)

Now I'm really off to bed lol.
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Post by: Stogi on November 20, 2012, 01:29:28 PM
How hard would it be for Nintendo to release an update that actually upscales Wii games to 1080p like Dolphin does?

I'd love to see what SS looks like in HD.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 20, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
Not sure if the Wii U can handle that, but 720p should be relatively easy. Disappointed that there is no resolution bump, to say the least.
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Post by: Ceric on November 20, 2012, 05:13:24 PM
Not sure if the Wii U can handle that, but 720p should be relatively easy. Disappointed that there is no resolution bump, to say the least.
If they can do it with an emulator on a different architecture I would think the Wii U would be able to being able to leverage the similar architecture.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 20, 2012, 05:36:09 PM
So Metro Last Light isn't coming to the Wii U because the developer claims the console's CPU is "horrible and slow".

How could Nintendo build a console that's technically weaker than 6-year-old machines? It's impossible.

Source: GoNintendo
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Post by: Adrock on November 20, 2012, 06:00:48 PM
Here's the link (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=191092).

Sounds more like 4A Games can't be bothered to optimize their code. New hardware takes time to learn the ins and outs of. If you put in a half-assed effort, you get half-assed results. Launch ports of PS3/360 titles hold up pretty well, but they're still launch titles handled by smaller teams.
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 20, 2012, 06:01:51 PM
THQ is on the verge of going out of business, they can't afford to port Metro Last Light to the Wii U. This is a handy excuse.
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Post by: azeke on November 21, 2012, 01:33:38 AM
How could Nintendo build a console that's technically weaker than 6-year-old machines? It's impossible.
I can totally believe that.

Nintendo is cheap, lazy and dumb sometimes.

Still hyped for european launch, my august pre-order is ready
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 21, 2012, 01:44:22 AM
We've known the CPU was slower for a long time now. Wii U just isn't as CPU reliant as past consoles. According to developers it is capable of creating better visuals the the PS360. That's all that anyone is going to care about in the end.

Worry about the U's graphics when the PS420 come out.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 21, 2012, 02:45:05 AM
But how can the Wii U's more modern CPU be slower than the 6-year-old Xbox 360's? Did Nintendo tell IBM to deliberately design an outdated chip?

Slower than the PS3 I can understand, because that thing was (and in some cases, still is) way ahead of its time.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2012, 03:10:47 AM
supposedly the clock-speed is lower, but it's designed to offload work to the DSP & GPU so maybe Nintendo figured that it didn't need to be as beefy as it could've been.

Nintendo loves to optimize hardware towards optimal performance over raw power, so I'm sure on paper somewhere, they have their reasons.
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Post by: MysticGohan on November 21, 2012, 03:16:43 AM
supposedly the clock-speed is lower, but it's designed to offload work to the DSP & GPU so maybe Nintendo figured that it didn't need to be as beefy as it could've been.

Nintendo loves to optimize hardware towards optimal performance over raw power, so I'm sure on paper somewhere, they have their reasons.

I still think it can kick ass and chew gum at the same time! And unfortunately it'll all out of gum :D

Soon BnM I'll have my Wii U, I want to add you and the regs here, it'll be a blast. Still haven't decide on what to get for Christmas, I'm leaning on Super Mario Bros. U, not sure what else. Any games coming in December worth looking at? eShop sounds like it's hitting off well, Trine 2: Directors Cut and Mighty Hyper switch force HD look fun and Nano assault.

Also looking at getting Hori screen protector for the gamepad, is Hori's easy and simple to apply then most? I want an easy and clean and bubbleless process as possible lol.
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Post by: Adrock on November 21, 2012, 08:43:56 AM
Best Skins Ever (not pr0n) has awesome screen protectors and are easy to apply. They're pretty cheap too. Not sure they have one for the Wii U GamePad yet.
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Post by: Ymeegod on November 21, 2012, 08:57:03 AM
For some reason nintendo was concerned with low watts & form factor so the CPU/Memory/GPU is very much underclock.  Most of the time the WII U is running less than 40 watts (think the average is 30 in most games) which is 1/4 or 1/3 what MS or Sony are running at.

As for using GPGPU, Metro's team is one of the first ones to use those features (Metro 2033 was one of the first DX11 games).  There's still plenty of stuff the CPU handles in modern gaming, AI, Objects, stats, ect and any PC builder will tell you the same, you really can't skimp on the CPU.  Games, especially ones like RTS and RPG require quite abit of CPU power. 
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Post by: Ceric on November 21, 2012, 10:22:54 AM
But how can the Wii U's more modern CPU be slower than the 6-year-old Xbox 360's? Did Nintendo tell IBM to deliberately design an outdated chip?

Slower than the PS3 I can understand, because that thing was (and in some cases, still is) way ahead of its time.
I'm going to say the same thing that I said earlier in the thread (or a similar one)  Technically almost every CPU today is "Slower" than something in the past.  How many of us use a computer or device that is running consistently at over 3.1GHz?  We aren't.  Most of are processors are in the 2.something to upper 1 GHz range.
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Post by: azeke on November 21, 2012, 10:44:33 AM
GPC/CPU/RAM...

I, for one, don't care.

Give me the games for my console and i'll buy them (well, provided i'm interested in it in the first place).

Can't deal with my console? Sorry, pal, my money go elsewere.

Okay, i actually kinda care since i'm pretty tech savvy mostly pc guy, but in Nintendo's case as long as games are there, they can run on abacus for all i care.
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Post by: Ceric on November 21, 2012, 10:45:55 AM
...
they can run on abacus for all i care.
That would be a trick.  Those human processors are glitchy and rarely follow instructions.
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Post by: Shaymin on November 27, 2012, 07:52:16 PM
So apparently there was this giant Miiverse leak, and one of those things shown was a game called "Yoshi Land".

And where there's smoke... there's a retail listing.
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/nintendo-wii-yoshi-s-land-nintendo-wii-u-400100624975/10233565.aspx?path=dda434935b6fe7de496bacec7db51837en02#/catalog/productdetails.aspx?ajax=true&sku=10233565&lang=en-CA
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/nintendo-wii-yoshi-s-land-nintendo-wii-u-400100624975/10233565.aspx?path=e4768593576af6e744f8febb6da02aa8en02

Release date suggests a 2013 release.
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 27, 2012, 09:44:32 PM
So apparently there was this giant Miiverse leak, and one of those things shown was a game called "Yoshi Land".

And where there's smoke... there's a retail listing.
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/nintendo-wii-yoshi-s-land-nintendo-wii-u-400100624975/10233565.aspx?path=dda434935b6fe7de496bacec7db51837en02#/catalog/productdetails.aspx?ajax=true&sku=10233565&lang=en-CA
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/nintendo-wii-yoshi-s-land-nintendo-wii-u-400100624975/10233565.aspx?path=e4768593576af6e744f8febb6da02aa8en02

Release date suggests a 2013 release.


Yeah I meant to bring this up a while ago. Please please please god be an honest to goodness Yoshi's island. Preferably 3D, but if it's co-op then all my child hood gaming fantasies will have almost been completed.

Sounds like this is the game Reggie hinted at when he said there were more unannounced launch window games.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 27, 2012, 10:09:23 PM
Assuming that this is a genuine Yoshi's Island, then this will be the game that will sell me a Wii U. That is of course as long as Nintendo does something about the freezing issues.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on November 27, 2012, 10:26:52 PM
If there is a new Yoshi's Island then it's guaranteed to be Good Feel's new game.  There was a two year gap between Wario Land and Epic Yarn and now it's been two years since Epic Yarn.  Plus Yoshi's Island is a platformer, which is the types of games Good Feel's previous two were, and the Yoshi Island series is known for having a more artsy looking style, which Good Feel's last two games has also specialized in.

When you put all the facts together, everything points very heavily to Good Feel.  Which is great since they have a good track record so far.
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Post by: Sarail on November 27, 2012, 10:45:20 PM
Whoa. Fantastic. As long as it plays just as perfectly well as Yoshi's Island does, then great. I look forward to this one!
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 27, 2012, 11:08:37 PM
Oh, I would love for a glorified 2D Yoshi's Island for Wii U...at the same time though, I can't help but think a fantastic 3D Yoshi game is the direction the 3D Mario games should go next to keep it fresh and original. 

I would love to play as Yoshi in 3D, protecting Baby Mario and doing grand crazy platforming feats that only Yoshi can do.  Add into the mix some fresh new egg mechanics and transformations and you have a stellar 3D game.
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 27, 2012, 11:16:11 PM
Good Feel did Yoshi's Island DS right? It wasn't a bad game by any means, but I thought multiple baby's switching off gave me a DK 64 kind of vibe. It wasn't a bad game by any means just really underwhelming to me.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 27, 2012, 11:32:29 PM
Good Feel did Yoshi's Island DS right? It wasn't a bad game by any means, but I thought multiple baby's switching off gave me a DK 64 kind of vibe. It wasn't a bad game by any means just really underwhelming to me.


Artoon did that game. They were founded by one of the creators of Sonic the Hedgehog (not Yuji Naka), and they also created that Blinx The Timesweeper game for the original Xbox.
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Post by: azeke on November 28, 2012, 12:01:37 AM
Yoshi's Island DS...

I played it first and kinda liked it.

Then i got GBA port of the original.

WOW. One of the best games of all time.

Don't screw this up, Nintendo.
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Post by: EasyCure on November 28, 2012, 08:27:01 PM
So all the people who guessed a Yoshi game was coming based on all those videos of key Nintendo staff staring down fruit were right!?

I'm pretty sure I'll be all over this game. I looooove Yoshi's island (haven't played 2, dammit!) so revisiting that world, with or without a baby, will be a pleasure. Plus the thought of it being in 3D gives me this giddy feeling like the first time I saw Mario 64 in action. I'm sure the team behind it could use assets established in Mario Galaxy 3 that had a the first good use of Yoshi in 3D, so I'm confident it would be good. Even if it is 2D, I'm sure it'll make me drool.

Bring it!
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 28, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
It's just a rumor based on what some hacker allegedly found in the Miiverse system data. Don't take these things seriously.
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Post by: EasyCure on November 29, 2012, 01:10:12 AM
It's just a rumor based on what some hacker allegedly found in the Miiverse system data. Don't take these things seriously.

We're discussing a rumor in a thread about rumors that even warns us to bring our own salt. I don't know how many people here believe it to be true, just a lot of us showing excitement for something that is a genuine possibility.

Don't take forums so seriously.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 29, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
THQ going out of business? See if I were Nintendo I would buy the rights to whatever popular series a company has that going out of business. Red Faction might be worth nabbing. Other than that I'm surprised THQ doesnt have more, they mostly make licensed ****.

ironic...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2017401/humble-thq-bundle-is-ready-to-shut-up-and-take-your-money.html
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 29, 2012, 05:12:31 PM
THQ going out of business? See if I were Nintendo I would buy the rights to whatever popular series a company has that going out of business. Red Faction might be worth nabbing. Other than that I'm surprised THQ doesnt have more, they mostly make licensed ****.

ironic...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2017401/humble-thq-bundle-is-ready-to-shut-up-and-take-your-money.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2017401/humble-thq-bundle-is-ready-to-shut-up-and-take-your-money.html)

I still think they should buy Vigil and Volition along with the Metro, Darksiders and Saint's Row series.
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Post by: MysticGohan on November 29, 2012, 06:17:52 PM
I guess not even Jason Rubin could save THQ xD
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 29, 2012, 11:09:01 PM
The head of Ubisoft has said they would be interested in buying some THQ IPs. And I don't see this as them going out of business.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 30, 2012, 06:08:43 AM
Yes! Get volition to make Freespace 3 exclusive to Wii U instead of that Saints Row junk.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 30, 2012, 11:53:15 AM
But saints row is a really good and well made series and the only IP that thq has that's wortha damn.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on November 30, 2012, 04:41:45 PM
It was more frustration than anything else.  I have never played Saints Row so I have no idea if it is good or not, but it isn't Freespace so its quality is irrelevent (as far as I am concerned anyway).
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 01, 2012, 11:55:25 AM
But saints row is a really good and well made series and the only IP that thq has that's wortha damn.

What about the WWE games? They're still popular. And Red Faction was pretty popular.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 01, 2012, 12:57:42 PM
Wwe isn't owned by thq. When thq dies someone else (ea) will pick up the rights.  Red faction hasn't been doing that hot the last couple of games. 

Beyond saints row I can't see any other big IP they have aside from darksiders and da blob (imo)

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Post by: Retro Deckades on December 01, 2012, 05:11:35 PM
Does THQ own the Darksiders IP? If so, I would love to see Nintendo pick that up.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 01, 2012, 05:16:22 PM
THQ does own it.
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Post by: Adrock on December 01, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Even on firesale, I don't think it's worth it for Nintendo to buy Darksiders. It's like 70% Zelda, not super popular, and Joe Madureira recently left Vigil Games. Nintendo might as well just create a new IP at that point.
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Post by: Kytim89 on December 01, 2012, 07:31:45 PM
Even on firesale, I don't think it's worth it for Nintendo to buy Darksiders. It's like 70% Zelda, not super popular, and Joe Madureira recently left Vigil Games. Nintendo might as well just create a new IP at that point.

I had hoped that Nintendo could aquire Vigil and Volition and make a new dream team of developers for the Wii U much in the same way that Rare, SK,and Factor 5 were in the past. If SK were to go bankrupt then perhaps Vigil could make Eternal Darkness 2 will Nintendo's close supervision?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 01, 2012, 07:34:44 PM
Buying the developers is a lot better of an idea than buying the Darksiders IP. I like whoever's idea it was to have them make a new Freespace, although that sadly will never happen.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 01, 2012, 10:02:04 PM
Well you to assume that when the fire sale happens IP will go alongside the developers. 

I think darksiders might be a good fit for sony. They really don't have anything comparable to Zelda and Fable.

I think most of THQs properites will do well.  The Del Torro project Insane which was cancelled recently got picked up by an unkown publisher.

Word on the street is that WB Games have picked up the project to solidfy their relationship with Del Torro. He's directing the Hobbit series, next year he has Pacfic rim coming out, and he's been in talks to direct a Justice League Dark film for the DC movieverse. Makes sense that they would be the ones to pick up the game.



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Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2012, 01:33:17 AM
Peter Jackson is directing the Hobbit Trilogy...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2012, 01:56:58 AM
I thought he was Producing and Guillermo was directing
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 02, 2012, 01:58:01 AM
I think Guillermo dropped out a while back.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2012, 10:31:21 AM
I had heard he moved on when the movie was in a holding pattern, but then it got back on track and he was back on board.

But I haven't been following it. Should be easy enough to look up, so I'll go do that real quick.
edit: Look like Jackson did decide to just direct it all, which makes sense since he did do the original trilogy.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 02, 2012, 04:11:07 PM
Buying the developers is a lot better of an idea than buying the Darksiders IP. I like whoever's idea it was to have them make a new Freespace, although that sadly will never happen.

Apparently Freespace is owned in too many bits by too many people.  One of the guys from Volition did say the team would kill to make it though. 
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 02, 2012, 04:24:54 PM
According to a poster on GoNintendo named YoshiRider123, it seems you can delete the Wii Menu app from the Wii U.

The actual thread is posted on the Nsider2 forums, where he goes by the name Yomi:

Quote from: YoshiRider123
1. Have the Wii game inserted into the Wii U so that the disc app on the Home Menu changes so that it directs you to the Wii Menu when you start it.

2. Drag the Wii disc app over to the Wii Menu app, and let go.

When I did this, the Wii Menu app disappeared. Instead of both apps swapping places, the Wii disc app that I dragged over to the Wii Menu app took its spot, and an empty space went to where the Wii disc app was originally located as if I were actually moving an empty app slot. What essentially happened was that the Wii disc app took over the Wii Menu app and the Wii U treated them as the same thing, causing them to merge into a single app in which the disc app had the priority of being executed. This is a very plausible theory because the Wii U actually refers to both the Wii Menu app and the disc app when a Wii game is loaded as "Wii Menu" when you select either, creating the implication that the Wii U may interpret both apps as the same thing.

I am now left with a Wii U that no longer provides me direct access to the Wii Menu without having having a Wii game disc inserted, because the app that lets me do that no longer exists. This is not good. This means that if I want to play a WiiWare or Wii Virtual Console game, I have to have a Wii game disc inserted. In theory, I have no way of retrieving the Wii Menu app back unless I reformat my console.
Title: Smash Rumor
Post by: Caterkiller on December 07, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/rumored-single-player-and-online-super-smash-bros-4-details-for-3ds-and-wii-u (http://www.examiner.com/article/rumored-single-player-and-online-super-smash-bros-4-details-for-3ds-and-wii-u)


No way they are going to to a 1 year beta test. Is that not insanely long? These are all very safe guesses aside from the testing.

Namco-Bandai is working with Sakurai to get a fully working demo at E3 for Smash Bros. Sakurai really took to heart the complaints about the single player game and the online game. He is solving this by making the single player very deep this time done by the Tales series people and is planning to have a Network Beta of the game for download the day of Nintendo’s E3 show. This way they can beta test online for about one year before they ship the game.







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Post by: nickmitch on December 07, 2012, 03:50:33 PM
That's an awfully long beta. Would they have to charge to keep it up that long?
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Post by: Soren on December 07, 2012, 03:54:52 PM
Normally I would say a 1 year beta test is way too long. Buuuuuuuut I think we can all agree this is the one game Nintendo cannot screw up when it comes to online. We can tolerate other games not having online modes but this has to be the one game that has a robust online mode.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 07, 2012, 05:35:25 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/rumored-single-player-and-online-super-smash-bros-4-details-for-3ds-and-wii-u (http://www.examiner.com/article/rumored-single-player-and-online-super-smash-bros-4-details-for-3ds-and-wii-u)


No way they are going to to a 1 year beta test. Is that not insanely long? These are all very safe guesses aside from the testing.

Namco-Bandai is working with Sakurai to get a fully working demo at E3 for Smash Bros. Sakurai really took to heart the complaints about the single player game and the online game. He is solving this by making the single player very deep this time done by the Tales series people and is planning to have a Network Beta of the game for download the day of Nintendo’s E3 show. This way they can beta test online for about one year before they ship the game.

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ome possible details may have been revealed on Saturday in regards to the upcoming multiplatform title, “Super Smash Bros. 4.” (http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/rumored-single-player-and-online-super-smash-bros-4-details-for-3ds-and-wii-u) According to Dual Pixels, Namco Bandai Games is preparing a demo for next year’s E3.

Fake as fake can possibly be.  The original source for this rumor is Dual Pixels which has a terrible record with their rumors.  They're up their with Zelda Informer and Spoong when it comes to making up ****.
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Post by: Adrock on December 07, 2012, 06:13:48 PM
Dual Pixels is hit or miss. However, I believe they outed Lords of Shadow 2 AND Mirror of Fate. The former was pretty obvious if you played the original, but the latter came out of no where. I was pleasantly surprised when that turned out to be true. /Catsylvania
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Post by: Sarail on December 07, 2012, 08:07:17 PM
That's an awfully long beta. Would they have to charge to keep it up that long?
You apparently haven't been a subscriber to Final Fantasy XIV like I have. :P
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Post by: Kytim89 on December 21, 2012, 02:17:20 AM
Resident Evil 6 could appear on the Wii U afterall according to a rumor.


http://www.examiner.com/article/resident-evil-6-final-hope-may-be-coming-to-wii-u-with-claire-and-more (http://www.examiner.com/article/resident-evil-6-final-hope-may-be-coming-to-wii-u-with-claire-and-more)


According to Dual Pixels, the Nintendo Wii U will be getting a special edition of the game with the title of “Resident Evil 6 (http://www.examiner.com/topic/resident-evil-6): Final Hope.” In addition to the bug and gameplay fixes, the new version will also add the Wii U gamepad functionality, DLC for a Claire scenario and more modes in addition to a high-definition port for the Nintendo 3DS game, “Resident Evil Revelations.” A new “Resident Evil Operation” is also apparently in development for multiple systems. You can check out the full details on the rumors from Dual Pixels (http://dualpixels.com/2012/11/29/rumor-behind-the-scenes-with-first-party-hardware-and-third-party-softwear-next-gen/)below:
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And here is a website detailing how the game could benefit from using the Gamepad.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/10/talking_point_games_that_need_wii_u_resident_evil_6
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Post by: Oblivion on December 21, 2012, 11:57:06 AM
I just bought Revelations last night. God dammit.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 21, 2012, 12:22:38 PM
Doesn't Resident Evil 6 suck?  I've heard that, like a lot of bad games, it has sold below expectations so I can see why Capcom would want to try to get some Wii U sales to compensate.  But I'm pretty sure the game has sold below expectations because it sucks and negative word-of-mouth has killed it.  So I fear that Capcom will make a Wii U version, it won't sell because it's a crap game and it will not have the benefit of early adopters buying it before the negitive opinions were in, and then Capcom will base future Wii U support on that.  Much like Mass Effect 3, it's a con game that only Wii U owners that are completely ignorant of the rest of industry would buy.  Capcom's hope would be to get enough people thinking "hey, Resident Evil!" without knowing the full details.

So either the game sells and third parties figure that Wii U owners are dumb rubes that will buy anything OR the game flops and third parties figure that Wii U owners don't support third party games.  It's a rigged game.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 21, 2012, 12:24:56 PM
They mention bug and gameplay fixes, so maybe that'll make the game better?
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Post by: Kytim89 on December 21, 2012, 12:32:06 PM
Doesn't Resident Evil 6 suck?  I've heard that, like a lot of bad games, it has sold below expectations so I can see why Capcom would want to try to get some Wii U sales to compensate.  But I'm pretty sure the game has sold below expectations because it sucks and negative word-of-mouth has killed it.  So I fear that Capcom will make a Wii U version, it won't sell because it's a crap game and it will not have the benefit of early adopters buying it before the negitive opinions were in, and then Capcom will base future Wii U support on that.  Much like Mass Effect 3, it's a con game that only Wii U owners that are completely ignorant of the rest of industry would buy.  Capcom's hope would be to get enough people thinking "hey, Resident Evil!" without knowing the full details.

So either the game sells and third parties figure that Wii U owners are dumb rubes that will buy anything OR the game flops and third parties figure that Wii U owners don't support third party games.  It's a rigged game.


You could argue the same points about Ninja Gaiden 3 being on the Wii U. Team Ninja went back and fixed the bugs and issues that fans of that series complained about and the Wii U version is considered the definitive version. Why can't Resident Evil 6 be any different?
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Post by: Adrock on December 21, 2012, 01:01:27 PM
Resident Evil 6 is okay. It gets better after upgrading your skills but it takes forever. It has a lot of really dumb design choices which individually aren't bad, but as a whole really drags the game down. Jake was super annoying.

I heard this rumor a couple weeks ago, but it didn't get picked up by the bigger sites so I figured it was bogus. I have no doubts that a special edition of the game will eventually come out; I just wasn't sold on this being true, at least not yet. I'm pretty confident that RE6 will eventually come to Wii U and a special edition is how I would expect it brought over. The Claire scenario sounds like shenanigans. An HD Revelaitons is pretty likely. The game was well received and is an obvious port. Still, while it is nice and all, but I can't imagine it playing better than it does on 3DS, even if there is a Wii U version though that would be the best HD version due to the GamePad.
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Post by: Kytim89 on December 21, 2012, 01:27:02 PM
Resident Evil 6 is okay. It gets better after upgrading your skills but it takes forever. It has a lot of really dumb design choices which individually aren't bad, but as a whole really drags the game down. Jake was super annoying.

I heard this rumor a couple weeks ago, but it didn't get picked up by the bigger sites so I figured it was bogus. I have no doubts that a special edition of the game will eventually come out; I just wasn't sold on this being true, at least not yet. I'm pretty confident that RE6 will eventually come to Wii U and a special edition is how I would expect it brought over. The Claire scenario sounds like shenanigans. An HD Revelaitons is pretty likely. The game was well received and is an obvious port. Still, while it is nice and all, but I can't imagine it playing better than it does on 3DS, even if there is a Wii U version though that would be the best HD version due to the GamePad.


I would pay good money to have a better version of Resident Evil 6 on the Wii U.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 21, 2012, 01:32:10 PM
The HD version of Revelations was unofficially confirmed almost a month ago, the Korean Rating Board (South Korea's version of the ESRB) listed the game as for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.
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Post by: Adrock on December 21, 2012, 01:40:21 PM
I would pay good money to have a better version of Resident Evil 6 on the Wii U.
Fixed.

I would only double dip if Capcom released the Anthology on Wii U including Code Veronica and the Remake instead of Director's Cut. That doesn't seem likely though. Depending on the extras in the RE6 special edition, I would consider it after the price drops.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 21, 2012, 02:56:41 PM
Capcom loves its BETRAYALTON!
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Post by: Louieturkey on December 21, 2012, 04:15:07 PM
They mention bug and gameplay fixes, so maybe that'll make the game better?
Capcom announced back in November that they had heard the complaints and seen the scores and were working to fix the game to make it better and more playable, that the update would be free for the PS3 & 360 versions.  I'm waiting to pick the game up until that actually happens and probably will still wait for the Gold/GOTY version of the game.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 21, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
Resident Evil 6 is coming to Wii U!!!!!

Why are we just now hearing about this!?

Adrock heard this rumor a few weeks ago!?
why are you just sharing this now!?
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Post by: Kytim89 on December 21, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
Resident Evil 6 is coming to Wii U!!!!!

Why are we just now hearing about this!?

Adrock heard this rumor a few weeks ago!?
why are you just sharing this now!?


I had to bring it to everyone's attention.
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Post by: Adrock on December 22, 2012, 06:42:32 AM
Adrock heard this rumor a few weeks ago!?
Someone already complained about Dual Pixels so I wanted to wait for better sources. The entire universe expects Capcom to release a special edition of Resident Evil 6 and the "Final Hope" subtitle does go along with the game's "No Hope Left" tagline so this rumor wasn't much of a stretch. That said, anyone can make up a rumor this believable. The Claire scenario makes this sound fake though. I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but I was a bit more skeptical of the rumor after reading it. She's the bridge between Leon and Chris, but I don't see how she fits into game's plot. The rumor does state a "sequel scenario" featuring Claire so it would take place after the events of RE6. Not to spoil anything, but RE6 wraps itself up pretty neatly, in terms of the conspiracy that drives the plot. Some **** goes down in China, but the plot doesn't lend itself to a new scenario like Resident Evil 4 or 5 did. We'll see.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 22, 2012, 12:06:10 PM
I'm more interested in Revalations getting ported to the Wii U.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 22, 2012, 01:38:21 PM
 was being sarcastic for those that didn't catch it.

Details are new, but special edition of RE6 for WiiU i believe has been mentioned before, somewhere ...

But all kidding aside, the more support for this rumor, the better.
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 22, 2012, 01:51:07 PM
Meh I understand why their porting RE6 to Wii U. (It sold below expectations and has a bad word of mouth)

But if I were to port any game to Wii U it would be Dragon's Dogma. The Wii U doesn't really have any game similar to it (I guess monster Hunter is close) and its still a pretty new IP.

Bundling the First Game its DLC and the Dark Arisen expansion pack would move a good amount of units for a growing franchise.


But I guess they're afraid that it will cannablize monster hunter sales and vice versa.
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Post by: azeke on December 22, 2012, 02:11:26 PM
Put wiimote controls in, and i just might think about it, Capcom. Not promising anything though.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on December 22, 2012, 02:12:45 PM
It was word of mouth that hurt RE6. Capcom said it started off really well, but then sales dropped (indicating bad word of mouth from initial buyers). Hopefully some of the problems get fixed if it gets ported to Wii U.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 22, 2012, 02:39:57 PM
If they fix the problems and add pointer controls I'd definitely pick it up, and I'd most likely double dip on the Revelations up-port.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 22, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
I'm still hoping for that special version of MvC3 for WiiU that i requested, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 22, 2012, 05:40:03 PM
Somebody needs to come out with an arcade stick for the Wii U first.
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Post by: Caliban on December 22, 2012, 07:21:01 PM
Somebody needs to come out with an arcade stick for the Wii U first.

Speaking of which, has anyone tried out their Capcom vs Tatsunoko arcade stick on the Wii U? I suppose there's no reason to, as there's no fighting games yet for the Wii U.
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Post by: Ceric on December 22, 2012, 08:58:34 PM
Somebody needs to come out with an arcade stick for the Wii U first.

Speaking of which, has anyone tried out their Capcom vs Tatsunoko arcade stick on the Wii U? I suppose there's no reason to, as there's no fighting games yet for the Wii U.
Tekken?
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Post by: Spenczar on December 23, 2012, 12:36:36 AM
http://www.examiner.com/article/rumored-super-smash-bros-4-characters-and-stages-revealed


Dunno if this has been posted.  Get your salt block, horsies.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 23, 2012, 01:06:11 AM
I SEE RIDLEY
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 23, 2012, 01:09:32 AM
I SEE RIDLEY

Any fake list is going to have Ridley on it. That's not to say the list is necessarily fake or that he won't be in the game, but anyone trying to pull off a fake is going to put him there.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 23, 2012, 05:55:38 AM
The funniest fake list was during Brawls development when someone claimed Sakurai was on some Japanese radio show and he said the Ice Climbers and Mr. Game and Watch were being removed from Brawl and a lot of people actually thought it was true and freaked out.

Even when the Ice Climbers were revealed on the official Dojo, some people still acted shocked and said they thought Sakurai removed them, because they still thought the stupid rumor from a year earlier was true.
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Post by: Caliban on December 23, 2012, 10:27:54 AM
Somebody needs to come out with an arcade stick for the Wii U first.

Speaking of which, has anyone tried out their Capcom vs Tatsunoko arcade stick on the Wii U? I suppose there's no reason to, as there's no fighting games yet for the Wii U.
Tekken?

D'oh!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: MagicCow64 on December 23, 2012, 11:19:36 AM
As far as plausible-sounding, almost certainly fake leaks go, that article is pretty good. I reaaaally doubt King K. Rool will ever appear in anything again, though. DKCR seemed to go out of its way to eliminate the kremlings.

On the other hand, the weaving in of the new Yoshi Game/character is great rumor synergy.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 23, 2012, 12:09:49 PM
That article sounds fake, just the rumored characters alone are enough to rule it as BS.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 23, 2012, 04:34:52 PM
All of those characters have good fake rumour logic behind them. I especially like the Little Mac vs Takamaru part. Tying in the Yoshi Land rumour is pretty slick, though that's also the biggest indicator that it's fake.
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Post by: azeke on December 23, 2012, 11:08:45 PM
Sakurai said there won't be any news for quite a while.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Arbok on December 24, 2012, 03:03:41 PM
I'm still hoping for that special version of MvC3 for WiiU that i requested, but I'm not holding my breath.

YES! Please... I would love this oh so much; I keep sticking my head in here to see if anything pops up about a Marvel vs. Capcom game on the Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caterkiller on December 28, 2012, 12:46:47 AM
K Rool, Ridley, Megaman and Mewtwo are hands down, universally the most requested characters in the West. All fake leaks will include at least 2 of them. And as much as each of them would make great characters and even with all my campaigning I don't have much hope for any but 1. God I hope I'm wrong.

K Rool, hasn't been seen since Super Sluggers and god knows what Capcom will do with Mega. At least Ridley has had a real presence in each Smash, with it getting bigger in the sequels, still... It's awkward body Ridley. Mewtwo is the only one any of us should count on.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 28, 2012, 12:51:06 AM
And that is because Mewtwo has already been in the series as a playable character (in Melee).

I think Nintendo could maybe includes Miis.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 28, 2012, 12:53:21 AM
I'm shocked they didn't include Miis in Brawl. It just makes too much sense to include what have to be the most significant new characters Nintendo's created in close to a decade.
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Post by: Stratos on December 28, 2012, 02:09:42 AM
It's gotta be longer than a decade. I don't think Olimar and his Pikmin can't really count as significant considering Nintendo regularly ignores the series.

It is kinda sad that they are only really making one new IP or so a generation: Pikmin on the Gamecube and Miis on the Wii. Even in the established franchises they haven't made many new additions. The biggest new Mario character I can think of is Rosalina. Before that all I recall is Tingle and Waluigi in the N64 generation and one of those are just a clone.

Any other 'new' characters in the Mario world have bit roles and are tossed away after a brief cameo. And great new characters like Midna in Zelda are forgotten.

I'm hoping my memory is failing me but what else has Nintendo brought to us (and kept with us) since the time of the N64 in terms of new IPs and characters? Pikmin, Rosalina, Tingle and Miis seem to be it.

I don't count games they choose to abandon in Japan because they are just that: abandoned.


Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 28, 2012, 02:16:32 AM
Animal Crossing was in that span, and I think a character based on that would work well. There's also Custom Robo, which is fairly obscure, but has seen two releases outside of Japan.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 28, 2012, 02:19:48 AM
Dillon's Rolling Western! Nintendog! Dr. Kawashima! Dr. E Gaad!


and the new Hotness... MONITA!

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/shyguy70/monita-nintendo-land_zps8fe6c665.jpg)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on December 28, 2012, 02:20:32 AM
Animal Crossing was in that span, and I think a character based on that would work well. There's also Custom Robo, which is fairly obscure, but has seen two releases outside of Japan.

You mean CHIBI ROBO! perfection!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 28, 2012, 02:27:12 AM
No, I mean Custom Robo, but Chibi Robo is a good suggestion too. Forget about Smash Bros., though, just give me a new Custom Robo game for 3DS.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stratos on December 28, 2012, 02:55:27 AM
Forgot about those, but they do seem to not fit the role of 'major' IPs. They could easily become major IPs if Nintendo would cultivate them more but Nintendo treats them more like inconvenient necessities than big releases. If it isn't Mario, Zelda, Pokemon or their 'flavor of the season' IP like Metroid or Kirby they don't make a huge deal about it.

In terms of games:
>Animal Crossing was an N64 title.
>Custom Robo hasn't seen anything since the early DS title with no Wii title. Also an older series dating back to N64 (earlier?)
>Chibi Robo's last game was a Wal-Mart exclusive which limited its availability and exposure.
>Fire Emblem skips every other title in its release schedule. Also dates back to pre-N64.
>Nintendo owns the IP rights for Eternal Darkness and it's game mechanics yet we have not seen a sequel, spiritual or otherwise.

All those characters you mentioned (with the possible exception of Dr. E Gaad) would fall under the label of minor characters.

I feel my original point still stands that Nintendo has not produced much, if any, meaningful new significant IP since the N64 era. They have the potential for it, but they regularily choose to ignore those underdeveloped IPs.

...And I've thoroughly derailed the rumor thread...I should make a new thread for this topic. Apologies for the derail but I feel this is a good point of discussion.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 28, 2012, 04:11:36 AM
I'm shocked they didn't include Miis in Brawl. It just makes too much sense to include what have to be the most significant new characters Nintendo's created in close to a decade.

Mii's weren't in Brawl because Sakurai didn't even know they existed in 2005.  Sakurai decided Brawl's roster (with the exception of Sonic) in Summer 2005 before they even started development in the Fall.  Back in 2001 when Link's profile was added to the Melee Dojo that was Japan only then, he said that he was surprised by the cel-shaded Link shown at the SpaceWorld event that year and joked about how it was to late to add that Link instead since he didn't even know this new Toon Link existed until the rest of us did.

In other words, Nintendo doesn't really inform Sakurai about what some of their upcoming major games are going to be like so he can only decide the rosters based only on current games released.  It's the same reason Ike had his Path of Radiance design instead of his Radiant Dawn design.  Path of Radiance was released in Spring 2005 in Japan while Radiant Dawn was early 2007.

This is something everyone should remember since the roster to the next Smash Bros would have been decided around Spring 2012 so any new IP's or characters added to Nintendo series after Spring 2012 won't get in since Sakurai had no idea they even existed.  Nintendo still believes in Yamauchi's practice of isolating their developers from each other so that they have no idea what the other ones might be doing.  You'd think they'd make an exception for Smash Bros but according to Sakurai, they don't.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 28, 2012, 02:46:47 PM
Sakurai could have added Miis though. Miis were announced in June 2006, the game came out in February 2008. Even if he found out about them when we did, he still could have added them. He may have had a idea of the roster he wanted, but nothing stopped him from changing it. Anyways, I would be surprised if SSB 4 didn't have them.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on December 29, 2012, 04:13:41 PM
It's possible that Nintendo don't want Miis in Smash Brothers due to possible backlash, the game may be a bit too violent to put in representations of real people.
Title: Diddy Kong Racing sequel
Post by: Caterkiller on December 29, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
]http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u/63993533 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u/63993533)

Who's up for another stupid gamefaqs rumor? This one is about Diddy kong Racing.

Hello,

I'm a friend of someone at Monster Games, and I felt Nintendo fans should know about their upcoming project. I do not work at Monster Games, but I have a pretty good connection with multiple employees there.

Nintendo hired a bunch of people in Minnesota to join the team. They just hired two contract artists a week ago.

Back in 2011, after Pilotwings Resort wrapped up, Nintendo offered Monster Games different ideas for future projects. Around June 2011, Monster Games began work on a Diddy Kong Racing sequel for the Wii U. Nintendo owns the rights to Diddy Kong and Diddy Kong Racing, and Monster Games specialty is in the racing genre. Dave Broske and Dave Pollatsek are the programming leads on the game, and the game design chief is John Schneider. Josh Defries is working on Environment design. Kodai Matsumoto is a superviser on the project.

A guy named Mitch Ernst is another person working on the game. He's involved in user interface design with the Wii U controller's touchscreen. You can touch certain icons on the touchscreen to use power ups.

There were some legal grey zones with characters like Tip Tup, Timber, Bumper, etc, and Nintendo was in talks with Microsoft/Rare to clear it up. Banjo and Conker won't be in the game.

The sequel to Diddy Kong Racing is planned for a 2013 release for the Wii U, and it will be revealed sometime next year. There will be an adventure mode similar to the Nintendo 64 game, as well as online multiplayer. Miiverse will be implemented into the game, and you'll be able to race using your Mii's as well as other characters.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on December 29, 2012, 07:01:48 PM
Lately there seems to be a shift were everyone is poo-pooing Aliens:Colonial Marines. Is it because it's coming out on Wii U?
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 29, 2012, 07:26:23 PM
Lately there seems to be a shift were everyone is poo-pooing Aliens:Colonial Marines. Is it because it's coming out on Wii U?

Oh absolutely. I sware every time a franchise is finally ligitamately coming to Nintendo it's either lost all credibility because of quality or the general consensus is its not that important anymore.

It's the only reason why numbered final fantasy will ever make it back to Nintendo home consoles.
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Post by: Caliban on December 29, 2012, 07:53:04 PM
Lately there seems to be a shift were everyone is poo-pooing Aliens:Colonial Marines. Is it because it's coming out on Wii U?

Who are these everyone?
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Post by: Sarail on December 29, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
It's the only reason why numbered final fantasy will ever make it back to Nintendo home consoles.
I can't wait until Final Fantasy XV is announced for Wii U and PS4. Going to make heads roll!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on December 29, 2012, 09:43:07 PM
I can't wait until Final Fantasy XV is announced for Wii U and PS3. Going to make heads roll!

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on December 29, 2012, 11:20:09 PM
Lately there seems to be a shift were everyone is poo-pooing Aliens:Colonial Marines. Is it because it's coming out on Wii U?

Who are these everyone?

Weekend Confirmed, NeoGaf, Gametrailers commentors, Joystiq commentors, Kotaku commentors.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: azeke on December 30, 2012, 12:37:25 AM
But, but i wanted my ExciteBots sequel!..  :'(
Just can't get too much excited about buying yet another kart racer no matter how good.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on December 30, 2012, 12:12:57 PM
Lately there seems to be a shift were everyone is poo-pooing Aliens:Colonial Marines. Is it because it's coming out on Wii U?

Who are these everyone?

Weekend Confirmed, NeoGaf, Gametrailers commentors, Joystiq commentors, Kotaku commentors.


More like the majority of the press guys have played the game and it isn't that hot and there are better games in that niche coming out around the same time frame.

The only reason why Nintendo fans are even hyping this game is because its one of the only third party Wii u games hitting early next year.  The whole motion sensor gimmick sounds cool but if the the rest of the game is hot garbage than its a moot point.
Gearbox was smart though this game is going to bomb hard on Xbox/PS3 but will probably do decent numbers on the Wii U as that seems to be the only version they are hyping and mostly due to lack of competition on the platform.
Also the only other game that has had a dubious production history that was released from gearbox was also total ****,
Its less paranoid Wii U hate and more the game is mediocre and there are way more other better games hitting in that same time frame on the two systems that side of the media cares about.
Even if there wasn't a Wii U version the game was always going to bomb because

1) its supposedly mediocre.

2) its coming out next too fuse (another bomb that will kill insomniac), army of two devils cartel, dead space 3, gears of war judgement, BioShock.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ShyGuy on December 30, 2012, 01:32:15 PM
The thing is the press was rah-rah about it several months ago. I think it will at least be competent. Gearbox knows shooters, Gearbox knows co-op.
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Post by: ThePerm on December 30, 2012, 02:04:06 PM
That game looks good. MAybe I just like my Aliens universe. What if this was the Goldeneye of Wii U? Maybe it will be amazing and hit everyone off guard.
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Post by: EasyCure on December 30, 2012, 02:23:02 PM
That game looks good. MAybe I just like my Aliens universe. What if this was the Goldeneye of Wii U? Maybe it will be amazing and hit everyone off guard.

I dunno about that, Goldeneye 007 had a few things going for it that have long been lost because of how common console shooters are. Honestly the only reason I'm thinking of buying it is because I like the Aliens universe as well, even if I'm more of a casual fan than most, and sometimes I like having a mindless FPS around. The sci-fi setting instantly lends catches my interest over the only other shooter on Wii U, BLOPS II - which had a few sci-fi weapons/gadgets but is still too stuck in the realistic. Maybe I just prefer my shooters.... IN SPAAAAACCEEE
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on December 30, 2012, 02:26:45 PM
The thing is the press was rah-rah about it several months ago. I think it will at least be competent. Gearbox knows shooters, Gearbox knows co-op.

Eh game sounds cool but really isn't what I want in an aliens game which is a metroid/read space/borderlands hybrid.

Even if the game turns out good I'm expecting it to bomba which is really bad for Sega which desperately needs a hit.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Caliban on December 31, 2012, 12:16:32 AM
Weekend Confirmed, NeoGaf, Gametrailers commentors, Joystiq commentors, Kotaku commentors.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFT!

Wait. What kind of gaming website is chosen to be titled as Weekend Confirmed. Who are these people. Bah, couldn't care less.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 31, 2012, 12:19:56 AM
Weekend Confirmed is a podcast from shacknews.com, I don't listen to it but it's one of the more popular gaming podcasts.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Sarail on December 31, 2012, 10:04:44 AM
I had to stop listening and subscribing to Weekend Confirmed. Too much unsupported drivel and bias comes from Garnett Lee's mouth. I couldn't take it any more. Though I do like Jeff Cannata (two Ns and one T) and Andrea Rene, Garnett hogs the spotlight, stealing conversation and/or factual points away being made by the other hosts. He comes off as a hothead, and I dislike that aspect quite a bit...

Which is why I LOVE RFN, Connectivity, 8-4 Play, and P1P. Tons of chemistry and balance between all of the hosts from each of these podcasts - makes it a joy for my ears to listen to. Much appreciated.

Anyway, back on topic. Has anyone heard anything on Watch Dogs - specifically a Wii U version happening? Game looks like it was MADE for the GamePad. Also, I really do hope Monster Games is working on a direct sequel to Diddy Kong Racing. I'd love to tackle a new Adventure mode. Previous game's single-player was killer.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on December 31, 2012, 11:51:01 AM
Nope they were coy on it getting a wii u version. However it might come seeing as the 360 version will support smart glass and the PS3/PC will have an iPad application add on. Also it was hinted that its also for next gen consoles,

I'm guessing the Durango/Or is/PC will get the crazy Huber good looking game with more content shown off at e3 while PS3/369/Wii U gets downscaled version.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Soren on December 31, 2012, 01:43:32 PM
http://polytroncorporation.com/state-of-the-polytron




Polytron saying they're porting Fez to other platforms. I know it's a long shot but...eShop maybes?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 31, 2012, 03:59:12 PM
With the designer of the game being a bitch and letting fans play a glitched game because he doesn't want to pay for a patch to fix it, I think it's a good chance since Nintendo is not charging for updates to Wii U eShop games.
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Post by: azeke on December 31, 2012, 05:39:38 PM
Polytron saying they're porting Fez to other platforms. I know it's a long shot but...eShop maybes?
I'll have a long and hearty laugh when it will appear on PC.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 02, 2013, 10:05:40 PM
The thing is the press was rah-rah about it several months ago. I think it will at least be competent. Gearbox knows shooters, Gearbox knows co-op.

Eh game sounds cool but really isn't what I want in an aliens game which is a metroid/read space/borderlands hybrid.

Even if the game turns out good I'm expecting it to bomba which is really bad for Sega which desperately needs a hit.


SEGA needs a hit? Just make more Sonic games in the vein of Sonic Colors/Generations.
Title: Cartridge to use 3DS as Upad
Post by: Caterkiller on January 03, 2013, 11:40:58 AM
Nintendo Master, a French site, is saying Nintendo is working on a cartridge to stream Wii U to 3DS, then if you had the Circle Pad pro, it will function as another Wii U game pad.


It would be a decent solution for people who already own a 3ds and a 2nd pad isn't an absolute necessity. Miyamoto mentioned this as a possibility during Wii U's E3 reveal when he was caught off guard by the double Upad concern. S it's probably happening.




[font=.HelveticaNeueUI]http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-32743_rumeur_la_nintendo_3ds_se_muera-t-elle_en_wii_u_gamepad_.htm[/font]
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on January 03, 2013, 05:00:16 PM
that would give someone like me who doesn't have a 3ds more inventive to pick one up, if true..

it also gives someone like me who doesn't own a 3ds more hope that they'll release a revised version with dual circle pads, and the wiiu cart built in.. nah, it'll never happen :'(
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Louieturkey on January 03, 2013, 07:42:28 PM
it also gives someone like me who doesn't own a 3ds more hope that they'll release a revised version with dual circle pads, and the wiiu cart built in.. nah, it'll never happen :'(
I'd buy it immediately if they did that.  I'll continue to hope.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on January 03, 2013, 10:16:49 PM
/still waiting
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: azeke on January 03, 2013, 10:43:37 PM
3ds as wii u controller would be useless cause developers would have to code in support for it.

And if you thought two screens is confusing -- try three with your 3ds! And one of them is stereoscopic!

And no, it won't create even more confusion: wiimote, wiiboard, wii classic controller, wii u pro controller, wii u gamepad, wii zapper, wii u zapper, wii u vitality sensor. No, sir, no confusion at all.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on January 03, 2013, 11:23:53 PM
If it were to happen, everything would only display on the DS touch screen to make it comparable to  the Gamepad - but then you'd have a big empty screen on the top half.. I'm just assuming that it'd be programmed similar to how the DS handled GBA games, the second screen isn't off, just displaying solid black - lame.

I don't have a 3DS, but isn't (at least the bottom) screen smaller than the Gamepad? Obviously that would affect the resolution but would it have to be coded any differently to make sure everything is displayed properly, so that - for example - on-screen icons-as-buttons aren't cut off? That seems like way more trouble than its worth if that is the case.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2013, 11:28:38 PM
I imagine in this fantasy fairy tale scenario you would probably only use the bottom screen because that's the touchscreen.

Still, as stated numerous times before, a 3DS is not a suitable replacement for another GamePad. 3DS can't function as another GamePad because it's missing functionality. It lacks the magnetometer and more importantly, the analog stick click. Also, the touchscreens are different aspect ratios. You're just not getting a 1:1 experience. Developers can certainly write code in their games to use a 3DS as a controller, but that probably requires way too much effort and probably won't happen.
(http://i.imgur.com/jEMWj.png)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: azeke on January 03, 2013, 11:30:44 PM
Touch screen is ridiculously small yes. It would be just too much of a hassle for devs, i think.

Maybe if it was a game especially meant to be played that way and built from ground up with this feature in mind... Something like Mario Kart or such... Then it would work...
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on January 03, 2013, 11:32:06 PM
Touch screen is ridiculously small yes. It would be just too much of a hassle for devs, i think.

Maybe if it was a game especially meant to be played that way and built from ground up with this feature in mind... Something like LoZ: Four Swords or such... Then it would work...

Fixed!

I don't get the meme-type photo Adrock is using :/
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2013, 11:39:48 PM
People keep pushing this rumor because it sounds plausible. It's not happening.

The picture is from Mean Girls. Gretchen keeps trying to "make fetch happen" and Regina puts Gretchen in her place.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on January 04, 2013, 06:17:37 PM
Here is the perfect excuse for Nintendo to get the unified system account network going ASAP:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNq1outvwR0
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 04, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Same thing happened with the Wii, no big deal.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Kytim89 on January 04, 2013, 06:30:37 PM
Same thing happened with the Wii, no big deal.


The Wii never had $59.99 games that could be re-downloaded?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ymeegod on January 05, 2013, 09:28:04 AM
"People keep pushing this rumor because it sounds plausible. It's not happening."

Yet there's already games coming that are doing just that?  Any crossplay game is using the 3ds as an conroller already so the software is already wriiten so it's not the developers are going have to do extra work as the game already exists vs the whole dual gamepad thing. 

The Gamepad standard pricing (based on the Japanese model is going be $150+) which means only %.01 of the people are going BUY an extra, which everyone would have to bring their WII U controllers over (which would be logically) if they had one to begin with. 

On top of the availablity of the gamepad you're also going have to deal with power.  From reports earlier you already read about how it's costs half the power of the system just for 2 gamepads which means you can forget about 4 players playing on one WIIU with all gamepads.


----------------------------------------

No, I expect to see more 3ds/wii u crossplay titles then I would dual-gamepad ones.

Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on January 05, 2013, 12:24:50 PM
I don't think 4 uPads was ever really expected. And I don't know how that price tag means only .01% of people are going to buy a second uPad. For what the thing does, that's a pretty reasonable price, and it's not like you'd have to buy more than just the one.

As for the 3DS thing, it won't work like a second uPad. FINE. It'll be more like the GBA/GC connectivity, but that is still a good thing. It still opens up room for new types of gameplay, and I can see Nintendo pushing it.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on January 05, 2013, 05:19:31 PM
The 3DS cartridge Wii U thing looks like an older patent, so it's probably just another thing Nintendo experimented with that won't go anywhere, like that football controller. I don't think the 3DS would work very well anyway acting as a GamePad since it lacks buttons and the touchscreen is smaller.

It'll be interesting to see how connectivity is used in the future though.
Title: Watch Dogs and Rainbow 6 on Wii U?
Post by: Caterkiller on February 13, 2013, 04:13:49 PM
EB games reserve list shows Watch Dogs and Rainbow 6 for Wii U.


Is it true? Who knows?!


http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=196144
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Soren on February 13, 2013, 05:46:17 PM
Ubisoft Redeemed! Not really.


But I'd go for some Watch Dogs on Wii U.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Stogi on February 13, 2013, 06:29:29 PM
Watch Dogs is a no brainer. The game pad used as your hacking device.
Title: Re: Watch Dogs and Rainbow 6 on Wii U?
Post by: azeke on February 13, 2013, 08:31:14 PM
EB games reserve list shows Watch Dogs and Rainbow 6 for Wii U.
Couldn't care less about either of games if i tried.

Whoever made the trade with Ubisoft about it, got ripped off.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: tendoboy1984 on February 21, 2013, 09:10:56 PM
Watch Dogs has been confirmed for PS4, PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii U!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on February 21, 2013, 09:15:15 PM
Watch Dogs has been confirmed for PS4, PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii U!

lol.. did you not see the thread dedicated to the game :P

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Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Shaymin on March 26, 2013, 06:46:41 PM
So NOA sent out a PR blast celebrating the 2 yr anniversary of the 3DS launch in North America. After the puffery, there's a list of games on the 3DS, and this is the coming soon listing...
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§ Coming Soon:
 
 Lego City Undercover: The Chase Begins, Animal Crossing: New Leaf, Super Smash Bros., Pokémon X/Pokémon Y

Now, the other lists aren't in any chronological order, and I'm taking this with the salt generated by Bayonetta 2, but I'll just throw this out there; Is there a possibility of Smash 3DS coming out this summer, given Namco is working on it and Sakurai maybe wanting it out so he can get surgery?
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: pokepal148 on March 26, 2013, 08:48:31 PM
So NOA sent out a PR blast celebrating the 2 yr anniversary of the 3DS launch in North America. After the puffery, there's a list of games on the 3DS, and this is the coming soon listing...
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§ Coming Soon:
 
 Lego City Undercover: The Chase Begins, Animal Crossing: New Leaf, Super Smash Bros., Pokémon X/Pokémon Y

Now, the other lists aren't in any chronological order, and I'm taking this with the salt generated by Bayonetta 2, but I'll just throw this out there; Is there a possibility of Smash 3DS coming out this summer, given Namco is working on it and Sakurai maybe wanting it out so he can get surgery?

none whatsoever
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2013, 10:14:46 PM
I don't see it coming out with only a little over a year after planning started. There's a better chance of it coming out Q4 this year, but still probably not terribly likely. Unless Nintendo and Namco pull a rabbit out of their hat, my guesses are Q2 2014 for the 3DS game and Q4 for the Wii U game.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on March 26, 2013, 10:16:48 PM
Even Q4 2014 would be optimistic IMO. I would put it in summer 2015.
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Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2013, 10:26:24 PM
I disagree. According to Sakurai himself (http://web.archive.org/web/20061116161044/www.smashbros.com/en/main.html), Brawl's development began October 2005 and the game came out in Japan January 31, 2008. That's less than 2.5 years from planning to release (I can do the mathz). Summer 2015 would mean Smash Bros. 3DS/Wii U will be in development for over 3 years. Given Namco's experience making HD games and probably having all the assets from the first 3 games at their disposal as well as the creator of the series guiding them/telling them what to do, I just can't see the games taking over 3 years, even if there are 2 of them this time.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on May 29, 2013, 03:03:58 AM
So Nintendo has a partnership with Sega. The big new Sonic is exclusive to Wii U(looks like mario galaxy engine). Sega has pretty much been weaning themselves off other consoles making mostly PC and mobile games....

whats that rumor that always pops up, that we all believe won't happen, but feels sooo sooo right?

The house of cards is being set up.

i might buy some Sega shares. or maybe i should buy stock in Mortons


also Namco making smash bros is awesome

2 out of 3 of my favorite fighting series are smash bros and soul calibur, the third is mortal kombat and has nothing to do with the conversation
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThomasO on June 01, 2013, 12:33:34 PM

Supposed leaked Nintendo Direct video on YouTube

(http://i.imgur.com/Gtxizbn.jpg)
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Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2013, 01:23:19 PM
Hope not that would be ... Disappointing to say the least.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2013, 01:44:58 PM
So, 3.5 minutes dedicated to retro studios? 6 minutes dedicated to new mario games. 2 minutes dedicated to Zelda games. 1 minute dedicated to watch dogs.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 01, 2013, 02:51:30 PM
So fake it's not even funny.  The fact it doesn't have Yoshi's Yarn or X on the list pretty much proves it's false since both games will be shown at the E3 Direct.  Those were the only 2 new Wii U titles revealed in the January Nintendo Direct that had actual gameplay footage, and your telling me they aren't going to show them at E3 Direct now, despite the fact both games have been in development for years and will be out in the next year?

Yeah, calling bullshit on that.  Who ever made that list should have at least watched the January Nintendo Direct first.  That way they could have made a list that might be believable.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 01, 2013, 04:33:36 PM
Why do you assume Yarn Yoshi will be in the Nintendo Direct? Nintendo has not said it would. And you assume that and X have been in development for years? Based on the footage, both could have easily been very early builds (like a couple of months max). Plus, both only have "TBA" release dates, no indication they will be out in the next year.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 01, 2013, 04:43:11 PM
I thought it was confirmed that the E3 direct was going to be only for Wii U games?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 01, 2013, 04:49:57 PM
It's Wii U focused, but they will probably still have 3DS news (like when they mentioned Wii U stuff in that 3DS Direct earlier this year.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2013, 04:55:36 PM
There'll be at least a 5 minute sizzle reel showing all the 3DS games they have coming before the end of the year, and a separate mini-showcase to go into more depth on them like they did last year.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on June 01, 2013, 05:25:26 PM
Why do you assume Yarn Yoshi will be in the Nintendo Direct? Nintendo has not said it would. And you assume that and X have been in development for years? Based on the footage, both could have easily been very early builds (like a couple of months max). Plus, both only have "TBA" release dates, no indication they will be out in the next year.


Kirby's Epic Yarn was a million seller and this game is a spiritual successor using Yoshi who's another popular Nintendo character.  This game has much more selling power then Pikmin 3 and The Wonderful 101, and yet according to that list it's not even going to be shown while those games are?  Plus Good Feel's last game Epic Yarn was released Fall 2010, so Yoshi will have been in development for several years, meaning the chances are pretty much 100% it'll be shown at E3 Nintendo Direct.

Oh and for X, there's no debate for how long it's been in development.  Xenoblade was released on June 10th, 2010 in Japan.  After the Wii U was announced at E3 2011, Monolith Soft released a statement saying they were developing a game for it and were hiring people to work on it.  The team at Monolith Soft behind X is the same team that made Xenoblade and hasn't made anything since then.  So yes, X has been in development for several years at this point as well.

Seriously, you do realize the next year at E3 means from June 2013 to June 2014? Considering how long both games have been in development, yes I'm going to say Nintendo plans on both being released before June 2014 which is why they'll both be shown in the E3 Direct.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 01, 2013, 05:32:38 PM
You are assuming Good Feel started development on Yoshi right after they finished Kirby. We don't know that. Plus, Nintendo has been known to announce a game and then not show it again for a LONG time.

As for X, that is anecdotal evidence at most. Plus, Nintendo has "announced" they were working on a game before they even started (remember Super Smash Bros. Brawl? Iwata said they were working on it before he even approached Sakurai about developing it).

We don't know how long either has been in development. I do think Yoshi has a good chance of at least being shown at some point during E3. As for being released before E3 2014? Much less likely, especially for X.
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Post by: azeke on June 01, 2013, 05:33:17 PM
Yoshi should definitely be in E3 Direct.

What they showed us during last Wii U Direct, was obviously made very quickly. Like, here's a photo of Tezuka! He's a big deal (and he IS a huge deal), it's just most of you don't know him! And here's some slapped together screenshots with conlicting artstyles! And some barely finished demo footage!

Oh, and if they blew people's mind with that half baked emergency Direct, i think they could roll out much bigger guns for an event they are supposedly were preparing for a year.

I come on, people!..  Really, really, really?.. They are gonna announce details on the sequel to two of the most amazing games ever! Both are considered the pinnacles of game design!

How come noone's psyched for that

Retro who? Platinum what?

Super Mario Universe is coming, bitches.

i love Platinum too, but come on, they're smalltime compared to EAD
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: shingi_70 on June 01, 2013, 05:35:41 PM
I just hope we get some Dragon Quest announcements for the west. Sony really carved out a niche by having somewhat obscure jrpgs on their systems. Nintendo is at a point where they could capture that market early on.
Plus a B2P Dragon Quest would do quite well I would imagine.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2013, 05:44:50 PM
If Nintendo's smart they're going to show every game they have far enough into development to be able to cobble together a trailer of. They need a big show, and they should be throwing everything they've got at it.
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Post by: alegoicoe on June 01, 2013, 09:44:14 PM
I just hope we get some Dragon Quest announcements for the west. Sony really carved out a niche by having somewhat obscure jrpgs on their systems. Nintendo is at a point where they could capture that market early on.
Plus a B2P Dragon Quest would do quite well I would imagine.


For me this would be the megaton announcement of the show, well, except for whatever Retro is working on.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on June 02, 2013, 11:22:51 PM
If Nintendo's smart they're going to show every game they have far enough into development to be able to cobble together a trailer of. They need a big show, and they should be throwing everything they've got at it.

the problem with that is people will STILL bitch that the games aren't coming fast enough.. glad I'm not the type to bitch about such trivial things, so whatever they show will be nice :)
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: nickmitch on June 03, 2013, 09:13:55 PM
I think it's a guarantee that the games aren't going to come fast enough.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 03, 2013, 09:51:42 PM
I think it's a guarantee that the games aren't going to come fast enough.

the real guarantee is that the next Smash can be announced to be released this Xmas and the internet will still bitch that it should of been there at launch (along with all new zelda, 3d-mario, mario kart and every other franchise we know is coming but are too impatient to wait for)
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Post by: Stratos on June 03, 2013, 10:22:15 PM
Teams don't 'start development' right away on new games once the old ones are done. There are things like planning that happen before development is started. Depending on the size of a studio they could have already started planning before the last game releases or they don't start planning until after the game releases.


I know people tend to mean both when they say 'development' but there can be a distinct difference. It also explain why some planned games take forever to come out or mysteriously disappear.


So those titles are not guaranteed to even release this generation let alone this year. Nintendo has canned projects much farther along than these titles. No reason they couldn't decide to can them now.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 03, 2013, 10:45:36 PM
I think it's a guarantee that the games aren't going to come fast enough.

the real guarantee is that the next Smash can be announced to be released this Xmas and the internet will still bitch that it should of been there at launch (along with all new zelda, 3d-mario, mario kart and every other franchise we know is coming but are too impatient to wait for)

Personally, I don't like Mario Kart being so early in a console's life. Haven't played the 3DS one in ages, and I that might've been different. At least it'd be downloaded to my SD card.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 03, 2013, 11:01:30 PM
Traditionally though, the Mario Kart games always come out early in a systems lifespan. The longest was Double Dash at 2 years after GameCube's launch, the shortest being Super Circuit at just 2 months after GBA's launch.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: EasyCure on June 03, 2013, 11:04:35 PM
I think it's a guarantee that the games aren't going to come fast enough.

the real guarantee is that the next Smash can be announced to be released this Xmas and the internet will still bitch that it should of been there at launch (along with all new zelda, 3d-mario, mario kart and every other franchise we know is coming but are too impatient to wait for)

Personally, I don't like Mario Kart being so early in a console's life. Haven't played the 3DS one in ages, and I that might've been different. At least it'd be downloaded to my SD card.

Neither do I. Nintendo's top franchises are event-games to me; having them too early feels like the console is blowing its load and there is nothing left to look forward to. Personally, I don't care when Smash 4U comes out; I finally have some friends who AREN'T Melee hardcore fanatics so after all these years I'm finally enjoying some good multi-player matches in Brawl.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 04, 2013, 04:23:05 AM
One of the things that is great about Nintendo is it doesn't need 3rd parties that much. Its nice when we do of course, but the ultimate snub is inevitable. It is hard to compete with Nintendo on their own console. The balance of games though is what Nintendo needs to work on. I feel this is a goal that will finally be reached this generation.

When we look back, yes there was an initial drought, but Nintendo will come out of it stronger than ever.

That Retro game has a lot of potential, but I never like to get my hopes too high up. I think Nintendo needs to make 1 new franchise thats a heavy hitter.

I would also like to have them revive some franchises they've neglected.



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Post by: RABicle on June 04, 2013, 06:37:30 AM
Guys guys I heard that Macklemore is doing the soundtrack to Retro's new game and it'll be about working to undermine urban street gangs!
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Post by: azeke on June 04, 2013, 06:49:27 AM
You heard wrong. It's actually Eminem and the game's called Acid Ghost.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on June 04, 2013, 02:17:09 PM
One of the things that is great about Nintendo is it doesn't need 3rd parties that much. Its nice when we do of course, but the ultimate snub is inevitable. It is hard to compete with Nintendo on their own console. The balance of games though is what Nintendo needs to work on. I feel this is a goal that will finally be reached this generation.

I would say that NOW Nintendo needs third parties far more than they did in the N64 or Gamecube eras.  It isn't like just the Wii U has had a drought, Nintendo consoles PERIOD have been bare for the last three years.  The last two years of the Wii were incredibly sparse as well.  Games just take too long to make these days and Nintendo is unable to make them at a fast enough rate to provide anything resembling a healthy release lineup.  These sort of droughts cannot be routine.  So unless they greatly increase their staff to make twice the amount of games, they need third party support to fill the gaps.

I would say at bare minimum a console should have at least one "major" game each month (ie: not shovelware or a port; a game that at least tries to be worthwhile) and Nintendo has proven that they cannot do that by themselves.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 04, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
a major game each month is too high of an expectation. Do you expect to pay $600 in games a year or $3000 in games for a console lifespan? I'd say 2-3 major releases every year half seems reasonable to support. A great game is a game you can play for several months though IMO. I dont want to play a game for 6 hours and it be done. I want to play a game thats 10-30 hours and still be fun to play over and over again.
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Post by: Khushrenada on June 04, 2013, 04:12:35 PM
I think it's a guarantee that the games aren't going to come fast enough.

the real guarantee is that the next Smash can be announced to be released this Xmas and the internet will still bitch that it should of been there at launch (along with all new zelda, 3d-mario, mario kart and every other franchise we know is coming but are too impatient to wait for)

Personally, I don't like Mario Kart being so early in a console's life. Haven't played the 3DS one in ages, and I that might've been different. At least it'd be downloaded to my SD card.

Neither do I. Nintendo's top franchises are event-games to me; having them too early feels like the console is blowing its load and there is nothing left to look forward to. Personally, I don't care when Smash 4U comes out; I finally have some friends who AREN'T Melee hardcore fanatics so after all these years I'm finally enjoying some good multi-player matches in Brawl.

I don't know. By having them out early, it gives me hope that maybe Nintendo would then focus on making some new stuff or get experimental. By placating the fans of all these franchises by giving them a new game for that system as soon as possible, hopefully it would mean that they were now unencumbered to make more of those sequels for the console and could branch out into something new and exciting.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 04, 2013, 04:53:36 PM
You have a point, but if it happened that way I would be more worried that they'd instead focus on sequels.. That get delayed.. And delayed.. And launch with their next console :p
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Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2013, 05:23:02 PM
a major game each month is too high of an expectation. Do you expect to pay $600 in games a year or $3000 in games for a console lifespan? I'd say 2-3 major releases every year half seems reasonable to support. A great game is a game you can play for several months though IMO. I dont want to play a game for 6 hours and it be done. I want to play a game thats 10-30 hours and still be fun to play over and over again.
I have neither the time nor the money to devote to a big game every month of every year of a console's life. I now even wait for sales and bundles. Still, a major release about every month isn't a bad benchmark for any console because the expectation isn't that consumers will buy each one. Some may, but many will not. Having a healthy release schedule, however, allows for people to have something available from either Nintendo or third parties close to every time people are finished with the last game they bought.

The problem with Wii U is that there was a gaping hole in the release schedule that Nintendo hoped would be filled by pretty much Rayman Legends alone. Then, that got pushed back leaving a lot of nothing. Delays happen. What Nintendo should strive for is still having enough other releases to fill the void, to soften the impact of a delayed title.

Still, that's easier said than done. How Nintendo has to go about doing that is an entirely separate discussion we've had many times before on NWR.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 04, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
I just want Nintendo to start releasing more eshop titles for the Wii U and that alone would saite the core intend gamer.
 
Get some Denpamen on the system.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 04, 2013, 06:56:30 PM
I agree that consoles should be shooting for about a good game every month from either first party or third party developers.  Not every good game should or needs to appeal to all gamers though.  And if you have a healthy variety throughout the year you could easily hit all genres and give fans a variety of games they want to play.

Also not all the games have to be full price retail games either.  They could be smaller releases as well. 
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 04, 2013, 08:03:49 PM
a major game each month is too high of an expectation. Do you expect to pay $600 in games a year or $3000 in games for a console lifespan? I'd say 2-3 major releases every year half seems reasonable to support. A great game is a game you can play for several months though IMO. I dont want to play a game for 6 hours and it be done. I want to play a game thats 10-30 hours and still be fun to play over and over again.

*I* am not buying a game a month and I'm not expecting you or anyone else to.  Every game is not going to appeal to everyone.  That's the whole point of having a healthy release lineup.  So this game comes out one month and maybe you don't like it, even if a whole bunch of people do.  That's fine because you might like next month's game.  If you look at any videogame system with a healthy release lineup there are games for all genres and all demographics and the idea is that regardless of your taste, you will find something to play.  Nintendo consoles have not had that since the SNES.  You wait months and months for a major release to come out and if you doesn't appeal to you?  Tough ****!  Wait another six months, loser!  See, that's no good.  If you don't get why games like Wii Fit seem to inspire legitimate rage with some people THIS is why.  Because Nintendo releases a casual game that doesn't appeal to them and that means waiting months for ANYTHING else to show up.  With a healthy release schedule this does not happen.  Who cares if this game doesn't appeal to me when another one is due soon?

I'm not suggesting Nintendo themselves release a major game a month, I'm saying that that is what a console should offer, regardless of who is providing the games.  Since Nintendo cannot do this themselves then it is important that they have good third party support.  This four or five games a year crap is NOT normal.  If you think it is normal then you are living in a sheltered Nintendo bubble.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on June 04, 2013, 09:29:24 PM
My beef is with the gluttonous consumerist over-appetite. My problem isn't just on the consumer side of the equation, its on the developer side. Doing what you suggest would probably be comparable to the budget of NASA in the 1960s. For a game to be worth a damn it has to have probably 2 years of development. So that's like 48 teams of people working on projects. Teams can be any where? between $3 and $30 million to make games in terms of budget. Thats an expenditure of like 1.4 billion dollars. That's what they make in a year,  not what they'll spend. Even over a span of 4 years 360 million is a lot to ask.
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Post by: alegoicoe on June 05, 2013, 12:10:55 AM
Just read over kotaku that Nintendo is getting rid of the white 8 gig sku. I hope this is true and that the premium goes down to 300.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 05, 2013, 12:21:23 AM
Again, we are not saying Nintendo itself must Publish 12 exclusive games per year...one a month for every year of a consoles life.

Nintendo should try to get 3rd party developers to work within the Nintendo time frame.  Give them incentives to releasing games at certain times and sharing preferred release months with 3rd parties and take the lesser months for the Nintendo games that will sell anyway. 
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Post by: Mop it up on June 05, 2013, 07:35:02 PM
Just read over kotaku that Nintendo is getting rid of the white 8 gig sku. I hope this is true and that the premium goes down to 300.
Yeah, I've seen the same thing. Seems plausible, the Basic is always piled up unsold in stores. It needs to go, it's clear no one thinks it's worth getting over the Deluxe.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the Deluxe takes its place at the $300 point, though this probably wouldn't happen till the holidays. They don't want to do it too quickly and tick off the early adapters. Again.
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Post by: alegoicoe on June 05, 2013, 09:02:49 PM
Just read over kotaku that Nintendo is getting rid of the white 8 gig sku. I hope this is true and that the premium goes down to 300.
Yeah, I've seen the same thing. Seems plausible, the Basic is always piled up unsold in stores. It needs to go, it's clear no one thinks it's worth getting over the Deluxe.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the Deluxe takes its place at the $300 point, though this probably wouldn't happen till the holidays. They don't want to do it too quickly and tick off the early adapters. Again.


Early adopters are already ticked, me being one of them. I woudnt mind if nintendo suddendly droped the price of the system, that means more support and hell more people enjoying the wii u.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 05, 2013, 10:43:30 PM
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Aww Yeah.


On the topic of the 8GB what did nintendo honestly expect. It went against all the reasons why the Wii was a success. Most people would have went with the one with a Game, more memory, and DDP. The *GB probably looked like a even worse after it was found out how much space it really had after all the updates.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2014, 01:57:35 PM
Here's a rumor that should interest Ian Sane

Nintendo working on successors to both the 3DS & Wii U to replace sinking Wii U asap
Called Nintendo Fusion and developed together
http://www.nintendonews.com/2014/01/nintendo-fusion-could-be-nintendos-next-gen-hardware-name/

Buckets of salt required, but something to discuss none the less.
Any technically inclined people want to break down the supposed specs?

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FUSION DS

CPU: ARMv8-A Cortex-A53 GPU: Custom Adreno 420-based AMD GPU
COM MEMORY: 3 GB LPDDR3 (2 GB Games, 1 GB OS)
>2 130 mm DVGA (960 x 640) Capacitive Touchscreen
>Slide Out Design with Custom Swivel Tilt Hinge
>Upper Screen made of Gorilla Glass, Comes with Magnetic Cover
>Low End Vibration for Gameplay and App Alerts
>2 Motorized Circle Pads for Haptic Feedback
>Thumbprint Security Scanner with Pulse Sensing Feedback
>2 1mp Stereoptic Cameras
>Multi-Array Microphone
>A, B, X, Y, D-Pad, L, R, 1, 2 Buttons
>3 Axis Tuning Fork Gyroscope, 3 Axis Accelerometer, Magnetometer
>NFC Reader
>3G Chip with GPS Location
>Bluetooth v4.0 BLE Command Node used to Interface with Bluetooth Devices such as Cell Phones, Tablets
>16 Gigabytes of Internal Flash Storage (Possible Future Unit With 32 Gigbytes)
>Nintendo 3DS Cart Slot
>SDHC “Holographic Enhanced” Card Slot up to 128 Gigabyte Limit
>Mini USB I/O
>3300 mAh Li-Ion battery

FUSION TERMINAL

GPGPU: Custom Radeon HD RX 200 GPU CODENAME LADY (2816 shaders @ 960 MHz, 4.60 TFLOP/s, Fillrates: 60.6 Gpixel/s, 170 Gtexel/s)
CPU: IBM 64-Bit Custom POWER 8-Based IBM 8-Core Processor CODENAME JUMPMAN (2.2 GHz, Shared 6 MB L4 cache)
Co-CPU: IBM PowerPC 750-based 1.24 GHz Tri-Core Co-Processor CODENAME HAMMER
MEMORY: 4 Gigabytes of Unified DDR4 SDRAM CODENAME KONG, 2 GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600 MHz (12.8 GB/s) On Die CODENAMED BARREL
>802.11 b/g/n Wireless
>Bluetooth v4.0 BLE
>2 USB 3.0
>1 Coaxial Cable Input
>1 CableCARD Slot
>4 Custom Stream-Interface Nodes up to 4 Wii U GamePads or 4 DSc
>Versions with Disk Drive play Wii U Optical Disk (4 Layers Maximum), FUSION Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) and Nintendo 3DS Card Slot.
>1 HDMI 2.0 1080p/4K Port
>Dolby TrueHD 5.1 or 7.1 Surround Sound
>Inductive Charging Surface for up to 4 FUSION DS or IC-Wii Remote Plus Controllers
>Two versions: Disk Slot Version with 60 Gigs of Internal Flash Storage and Diskless Version with 300 Gigs of Internal Flash Storage.

Alternate sources with additional thoughts on the subject:
http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/21/nintendos-next-console-and-portable-reported-to-be-called-nintendo-fusion/
http://gaminrealm.com/2014/01/21/nintendo-next-gen-system-specs/
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Post by: Ceric on January 21, 2014, 02:26:42 PM
Honestly, Looking at the Fusion DS the first thing that comes to my mind is ... Smart Phone.
Then looking at the Terminal DS... Home Console/Phone Dock Station/Entertainment Center.

That be very interesting.  Though with how things are moving to Download having the option for a disc that at its reference lowest spec holds 100GB... Wow...  Compression Who needs Compression?  It has a theoritical max in the Terabytes.  If you wanted games to stay retail Hello answer.

Now considering the current costs I found there have to be some way for Nintendo to make it cheaper but, you definitely have the space to drive a 4K or finer TV with Content.

I think this would be an excellent way for Nintendo to go but, it doesn't have as much Memory for general use than what I want and the type of Memory.  HVD Drives are stupidly expensive and lets say they release this 2 years from know they getting cheap enough to be put into a game console.  Same goes for HVD Discs.

An informed made up rumor.  If it was just Fusion DS then yeah.  I be willing to say that it could be pretty plausible if by going mobile Nintendo meant taking the DS line the NGage route.  Those two together I have to call Bull.
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Post by: Oblivion on January 21, 2014, 02:45:34 PM
Even if this is real some of those specs sound like they are still below Xbox One and PS4. And I don't know why they replace the 3DS so soon.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 21, 2014, 02:56:05 PM
The name Fusion suggests the popular hybrid idea but that clearly looks to be two different systems.

Replacing the 3DS at this point seems unnecessary since it is successful.  And personally I only bought one back in October so I would pretty annoyed to see it replaced so soon.  The Wii U is on borrowed time but not the 3DS.  Though this design suggests that the two systems link together in some way so I guess they would consider it important to release them together.  Of course this could be a rumoured system for several years from now, being designed under the assumption that both the 3DS and Wii U get a normal lifespan and get replaced at the same time.  We had to guess that some connection between the two platforms was going to happen when Nintendo joined their hardware divisions together.

Nintendo's top priority for a new console should be to work with third parties to get something that works for them.  If this is some weird non-standard design that only Nintendo wants to work with then it will amount to squat.

So the console supports 4 Wii U Gamepads?  Why on Earth would you want to associate your new console with that thing?  The Fusion should distance itself from the Wii U as far as possible.  I like the 3DS slot though.  I guess to make that work you need this screen controller approach but it's obvious that feature has bombed and it would be silly to keep with it.  Though for all we know this was Nintendo's design prior to their sales reforecast and they will be moving in a different direction now.

How does this compare to the PS4 and XB1?  I shudder to think of the possibility of this being Nintendo's PS4 equivalent due to be released a year before the PS5 comes out.
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Post by: Ceric on January 21, 2014, 03:30:06 PM
From what I can tell on Paper its a significant bump up.
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Post by: Adrock on January 21, 2014, 03:31:09 PM
That rumor is silliness. A thumbprint security scanner? Really? Still, Nintendo's next console and handheld should launch within the same half-year to year of each other. Launching simultaneously might not be the best idea as I think it's more likely most people would buy one or the other rather than both at the same time. Guess which one would sell worse?

Four GamePads absolutely should happen in a successor. At launch. With a game that can be played with four. How goddamn ridiculous was it that Nintendo didn't think people would ask about two simultaneously? By the time a successor is ready (in a two to three years). Nintendo can probably sell a thinner, lighter GamePad with better battery life for $50.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 21, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
Even if this is real some of those specs sound like they are still below Xbox One and PS4. And I don't know why they replace the 3DS so soon.

No they aren't, but it's fake anyway.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 21, 2014, 04:58:57 PM
Four Gamepads seems rather unnecessary if the console connects to the handheld.  Why not just allow support of using the handheld as the controller?  I feel the reason this feature didn't catch on on the Gamecube was because Nintendo insisted on selling the cables separately.  I could find GBA owners with no problem but ones that had the cable, particularly when they didn't own a Gamecube?  That was pretty much impossible.  If they packed in the cable with every GBA or used the same cable that was used for GBA multiplayer it probably would have been much more popular.

Of course the other reason connectivity didn't catch on was that Nintendo didn't have that many great ideas for it and they still don't as the Wii U demonstrates.  So why stick to the feature when it is associated with a flop when you have never demonstrated it as some essential feature that has to be available?  No one would give a **** if Nintendo never bothered with screens on the controller ever again.  You can count the amount of good ideas to stem from this concept on one hand.

Though I'll admit that part of why I'm so hostile towards the concept is because I want this gimmick controller phase of Nintendo to end NOW.  They use that as an excuse to cut corners.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2014, 05:13:30 PM
I think the screened controller should stay. Not in its current form, but more like a gamepad 2.0.
add multi-touch, add some level of processing power, add a 3DS player, maybe a slightly higher resolution screen.

I'm not sure 4 gamepads would ever be needed, or bought in the same household w/ only 1 system, but support for 4 could never hurt, even if we only ever use 2. There is alot of potential in a controller with a screen in and out of gaming usage.
My ambitions for the idea lay mostly in the non-gaming applications, but I'm sure there are plenty of uses in game, especially for head to head competition gaming, like FPS and Sports. a lot of the in-game uses may seem gimmicky, but they could also be immersive, and we have threads with game ideas using the game pads so I won't go too deep into that.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 21, 2014, 05:24:07 PM
I will say that if you're going to have screen controllers it would make sense to support four.  Nintendo being caught off guard by people wanting more than one was really weird.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2014, 05:33:49 PM
Yes it was. we were all dumbfounded at Nintendo's major oversight.
I think that was the first pin to poke a hole in the HYPE bubble. It's been deflating ever since.
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Post by: Adrock on January 21, 2014, 05:59:48 PM
Four Gamepads seems rather unnecessary if the console connects to the handheld.  Why not just allow support of using the handheld as the controller?
Why not both? The GamePad route is cheaper for those who don't want a separate handheld system. Also, real analog sticks > circle pads. Nintendo could stand to be far more accommodating.
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Of course the other reason connectivity didn't catch on was that Nintendo didn't have that many great ideas for it and they still don't as the Wii U demonstrates.
That remains to be seen. For someone who likes to point out that Nintendo was so unprepared for HD development, is it that hard to imagine that those games are still in development? Of course, since this is you, "I didn't like it" means "No one liked it" therefore the idea was bad.

Add-ons are typically a hard sell. If you ask people to pay more, it's natural that they ask why. Four Swords Adventures even with two players is a lot of fun. I didn't have a chance to play it multiplayer until after the generation was over and I got the game, link cables, and extra GBA for relatively cheap. More importantly, GCN-GBA connectivity is also severely limited compared to what the GamePad can do so any comparison is woefully unfair. It doesn't make much sense to even talk about the two in the same breath.
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So why stick to the feature when it is associated with a flop when you have never demonstrated it as some essential feature that has to be available?
That's terrible logic. Unworthy by association? That's like saying a player is bad because he's on a bad team. Maybe, but not necessarily. Also of note, the entire industry crashed in 1983. We wouldn't be playing video games as we know them today if Nintendo didn't try again. It's silly to just give up on an idea just because everything didn't go according to plan.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2014, 06:49:08 PM
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Of course the other reason connectivity didn't catch on was that Nintendo didn't have that many great ideas for it and they still don't as the Wii U demonstrates.
That remains to be seen. For someone who likes to point out that Nintendo was so unprepared for HD development, is it that hard to imagine that those games are still in development? Of course, since this is you, "I didn't like it" means "No one liked it" therefore the idea was bad.

I gotta side with Ian on this one.  With the Wii, you kinda understood the controller right off the bat.  The system even launched with a game that justified the concept.  With Wii U, we're a year in, and there's not one game that sells the gamepad that's even been announced.  Maybe it's right around the corner, but who the hell even knows?  Granted, off screen play is a sweet feature.  There just isn't a game that wouldn't be the same without the gamepad.
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Post by: Adrock on January 21, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
ZombiU.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2014, 07:08:51 PM
I think Yahtzee of Zero Punction mentioned in his review that a semi-transparent GUI would create the same effect of looking at the menu on the gamepad and having action on the main screen.
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Post by: Stratos on January 21, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
I would think Nintendo Land was supposed to be the game to showcase the Gamepad capabilities. It brought a lot of fun possibilities to the table. Granted, there has been no follow up to that title, but did everyone hate that game and thus it 'cannot' be counted as this generation's Wii Sports?
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Post by: Adrock on January 21, 2014, 07:38:39 PM
I think Yahtzee of Zero Punction mentioned in his review that a semi-transparent GUI would create the same effect of looking at the menu on the gamepad and having action on the main screen.
Well, ****, if one reviewer said it, I should rethink my entire opinion on the game.

But really, it would not be the same because looking at the GamePad simulated looking through a bag. A transparent screen is not the same affect because looking at the GamePad, and away from the TV, added tension. If you don't pay attention, you could die which greatly affects you in ZombiU. I've died again trying to get my **** back from my previous character.

We've discussed many ways the GamePad could be used intelligently and uniquely in other threads. Unfortunately, we're not developing Wii U games and it doesn't seem like a lot of other people are either. It's silly to think the ideas don't exist just because they haven't been implemented. I find most ideas complimentary. They enhance more than revolutionize. The GamePad can and has made games better. Not to the point where a game is garbage without it, but if that's what you're expecting, reevaluate your expectations.

I strongly prefer local multiplayer. A four-player death match where you can't cheat by looking at another player's screen changes that entire dynamic. I've never been in a four-player death match setting where that didn't come up. My hope is that Nintendo gets this working in a successor.
I would think Nintendo Land was supposed to be the game to showcase the Gamepad capabilities. It brought a lot of fun possibilities to the table. Granted, there has been no follow up to that title, but did everyone hate that game and thus it 'cannot' be counted as this generation's Wii Sports?
I would have brought up Nintendo Land, but I felt it goes without saying.

Also, Miiverse, while not a game, would suck without the GamePad. Miiverse is one of the few things on Wii U Nintendo did right.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 21, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
I'm sure there are going to be lots of rumours like that over the next couple of years...
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Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2014, 07:59:28 PM
The ZombiU example still only points to one feature of a game.  Even Nintendoland still has games where you don't really need the gamepad.  Nintendo still doesn't have that "one game" that explains the concept and sells the system.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 21, 2014, 08:01:16 PM
I would think Nintendo Land was supposed to be the game to showcase the Gamepad capabilities. It brought a lot of fun possibilities to the table. Granted, there has been no follow up to that title, but did everyone hate that game and thus it 'cannot' be counted as this generation's Wii Sports?

Calling ANY game this generation's Wii Sports would be a big deal.  Wii Sports was the sort of dream concept that my friends and I hypothesized in elementary school.  It was like if the Power Glove actually worked.  Nintendo were delusional/naïve/desperate/stupid to think that the Gamepad had that same appeal.  The Wii wasn't successful because it had a wacky controller.  It was successful because the wacky controller was used in a game that fulfilled what people had dreamed about getting from a videogame for decades.  Everyone at some point thought of the idea of a game where you move and the character moves the same way.  No one ever dreamed about a game where you have a second screen.  And if they did wouldn't the Gamecube/GBA connectivity or the DS have fulfilled that desire at some point?  This concept wasn't even new.  Nintendo had offered some variation of it for a good ten years when the Wii U came out.

The Wii was a damn fluke.  Nintendo stumbled ass backwards into a multi-million dollar idea.  They have no idea why it was successful and the Wii U came from an inane assumption that wacky controller with outdated hardware = $$$.  They copied the superficial elements of the Wii without understanding its true consumer appeal.  It's the sort of thing you would expect from a competitor trying to rip off the hot new thing, not the company that made the hot thing in the first place.
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Post by: Adrock on January 21, 2014, 08:24:27 PM
Nintendo still doesn't have that "one game" that explains the concept and sells the system.
I agree and have said the same in the past, but that's still not the same thing as "There just isn't a game that wouldn't be the same without the gamepad." There are many. The ZombiU example is still an very important part of the game and is one of several ways the GamePad is used. It simply would not be the same game without the GamePad. Personally, I think it'd be worse. To use another UbiSoft game, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say Rayman Legends was better on PS3/360. Not that those versions are terrible, it's just that the Murfy sections were made with the GamePad in mind thus are better on Wii U.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 21, 2014, 08:36:05 PM
I still think Nintendo went the wrong direction with the Wii U.

They should have enhanced the control bar, and figure out a way to use the Wiimote with a new HD system and new control bar and package the game with an enhanced Nunchuk controller or two. 

Instead of developing the Wii U Gamepad, Nintendo still had the BEST of the motion controllers.  If they could have developed a system which could have brought more of the future of motion controls.  Perfect the controls while giving the gamers the HD experience they wanted.  They could have delivered a system that would be closer to specs of the Xbox One or PS4.

I am not saying they would be on Par with that.  But if you could take the 20-30 more dollars it cost to develop that Gamepad controller and the resources needed to stream the video to the controller you could have put that into more RAM, and a more beefed up graphic chip and CPU chip.  No it would not have been the next generation perfectly, but it could have been closer…and it could have given us perfected motion controls, which is what I think people wanted and loved about the Wii. 
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2014, 08:48:28 PM
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They should have enhanced the control bar, and figure out a way to use the Wiimote with a new HD system and new control bar and package the game with an enhanced Nunchuk controller or two.

I had a pretty good idea for that too. It involved a two way tracking, from the wiimote to the sensor bar, and from the camera(s) in the sensor bar tracking the wiimote 2.0 and the wireless nunchuck 2.0.

Unfortunately, that vision won't be realized since Nintendo decided to go the DS home console route instead.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2014, 09:02:14 PM
Nintendo still doesn't have that "one game" that explains the concept and sells the system.
I agree and have said the same in the past, but that's still not the same thing as "There just isn't a game that wouldn't be the same without the gamepad." There are many.

I would argue that there are few, but I otherwise see your point.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 22, 2014, 12:21:56 AM
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They should have enhanced the control bar, and figure out a way to use the Wiimote with a new HD system and new control bar and package the game with an enhanced Nunchuk controller or two.

I had a pretty good idea for that too. It involved a two way tracking, from the wiimote to the sensor bar, and from the camera(s) in the sensor bar tracking the wiimote 2.0 and the wireless nunchuck 2.0.

Unfortunately, that vision won't be realized since Nintendo decided to go the DS home console route instead.

I remember this idea.  I would think it would be cool to have been able to use the same controllers and save people money, but the more I think about it…the original controllers would not have any means of being tracked by the new sensor bar.  A new controller would have needed to be made.  But I think Nintendo could have done that and bundled any new controller with a new nunchuk as a single set controller…and added a few more buttons. 

I would have named it Nintendo Motion or something like that.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2014, 12:39:10 AM
I think the nunchuck was kind of limiting in the long term.  Like now, we have a Wii remote that does more, but with the nunchuck still limited you don't get the full upgrade for games that use both.  I feel this mostly when playing Wii Fit U games that use the nunchuck, especially Rhythm Kung-Fu.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on January 22, 2014, 10:29:29 AM
Instead of complaining about what we didn't get like we're ungrateful children, how about we discuss the positive aspects of the Wii U?

Wind Waker HD sold me on the concept of the GamePad. It's use for inventory management and a permanent map display is brilliant. And I love off-TV play, it's such a seamless transition to go from the TV to the GamePad screen.

Metroid Prime would be perfect for the GamePad because you could use it as a Scan Visor (and map display). I really hope Nintendo released Metroid Prime Trilogy HD on the Wii U, and don't make it limited edition this time...
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Post by: Oblivion on January 22, 2014, 10:43:55 AM
Instead of complaining about what we didn't get like we're ungrateful children, how about we discuss the positive aspects of the Wii U?


What kind of fucking logic is that? We should just shut our pretty little heads and take whatever they give us? Criticism is sometimes warranted. This is one of those times.
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Post by: Ceric on January 22, 2014, 11:46:40 AM
Ah NintendoLand, that would have been such a better game if it was built in like the Streetpass game and then expanded every once and awhile.  Either with the purchase of a game or to promote one.  WiiU Sport instead of getting its own little app would be an extension of NintendoLand it be a now branch that you could just go to.  Could have been interesting at the least.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2014, 12:12:50 PM
Yes, the built-in expanding amusement park was an idea that came up around launch. Too bad Nintndo didn't also think of that. Could have a great marketing tool, a reason to pack that game w/ every Wii U sold, and a reason for people to always have a reason to play it.
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Post by: Stratos on January 22, 2014, 12:25:45 PM
That was what I thought it was going to be originally. Miiverse and Nintendo Land rolled into one online, expanding carnival experience. I guess they could always do DLC expansions and make them free as pre-order bonuses.


If they weren't Nintendo I'm sure that is how it would have been. Nintendo is as Nintendo does.
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Post by: Stogi on December 01, 2014, 11:07:14 PM
What the hell happened to this thread?
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Post by: nickmitch on December 01, 2014, 11:21:38 PM
Nintendo Directs killed the rumor mill.
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Post by: Soren on December 01, 2014, 11:53:41 PM
Can't have rumors if you don't have games...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2014, 12:27:10 AM
What the hell happened to this thread?

BlackNMild2k1
Gamer at heart
...just not in practice

Can't have rumors if you don't have games...

yeah... and that too.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on December 02, 2014, 01:02:46 AM
What about ZombiU 2: Is this one of Ubisoft finished games? 
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 02, 2014, 11:08:01 AM
Man rumors gave such hope. This was always the best thread. How many years until the Wii U successor, about 2? Hopes and dreams will be rekindled again and hopefully not smashed.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2014, 06:04:50 PM
Hopefully someone will take the time to dig up the rumors and keep the thread alive.

I have no problems with cataloging it all once it's posted, but I don't have the will power to mine the rumors like I used to.... I'm not sure if there even rumors anymore, since I haven't bothered to even look.
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Post by: Stratos on December 03, 2014, 12:20:55 AM
Since there is a need I'll keep an eye out for rumors. I suppose I could create some rumors.


Series 4 of Amiibo to have non-smash characters and release this Spring?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 03, 2014, 12:24:01 AM
I could make up some new rumors out of nothing and contribute them to this thread.
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Post by: Stratos on December 03, 2014, 12:27:19 AM
No! Leak them to me via PM and it will be more credible! I am part of a game forum -NWR- where industry giants are known to frequent!
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Post by: MagicCow64 on December 03, 2014, 03:35:09 PM
I glance around at the underbelly once in a while, and there's precious little in the way of Nintendo rumors, or any major rumors at all really. The PR machine of the major publishers has learned to wield forums to hype pre-press releases for standard products. Like, "RUMOR!!! Square-Enix to announce FFXIV release date soon!" And outside of that Smash ESRB blow-out, Nintendo is friggin' air tight.


The only thing I've read, which has been kicking around for months, is that Nintendo is supposedly working on an HD remaster for the WiiU to release in 2015, anything from an N64 to a Wii title. And that's vague enough to just be common sense/idle speculation.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 03, 2014, 05:09:53 PM
That's almost not even a prediction, more of a "well, of course Nintendo's doing something like this."
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Post by: Mop it up on December 03, 2014, 06:40:51 PM
RUMOR: Sonic the Hedgehog is in the new Smash Bros.!
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Post by: Adrock on December 03, 2014, 06:59:50 PM
EGM just made that up for their April Fools joke. Nintendo will never add third party characters to Super Smash Bros. Don't be so gullible.
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Post by: Khushrenada on December 03, 2014, 07:41:23 PM
Rumour: The rumour thread may be dead.
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Post by: RedBlue on December 03, 2014, 08:04:07 PM
Rumour: The rumour thread may be dead.
My uncle that works at Nintendo said that's true.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 03, 2014, 08:51:09 PM
I read online that Nintendo is going to announce the Wii U version of Pokken Tournament that will launch (and possibly be bundled) with new Amiibo figures (and one of an "special" or "secret" character).
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Post by: Soren on December 04, 2014, 01:12:30 PM
Welp, here we go. 4chan delivers.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/12/rumour_has_shin_megami_tensei_x_fire_emblem_been_cancelled (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/12/rumour_has_shin_megami_tensei_x_fire_emblem_been_cancelled)

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Development was difficult because of differing viewpoints on how the project should be handled story-wise. Apparently the SMT team was possessive and difficult around the story, and the FE team was frustrated because it was being bossed around, which created tension and overall awkwardness.

IGN will supposedly announce the cancellation tomorrow. EDIT: Timing is interesting considering tomorrow is the release date of Captain Toad, and the Video Game Awards, where we know other consoles will be making announcements.

Unless...Nintendo announces a solo Fire Emblem Wii U game in conjunction with the news of the SMT X FE cancellation.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 04, 2014, 05:38:17 PM
The SMT/Fire Emblem crossovers was one of the coolest Wii U games announced.  It would be really shitty for it to get canned.

At this point Nintendo can't really afford for ANY Wii U to be cancelled.  They'll need something to replace it.  Soren's suggestion of a solo Fire Emblem game is a good idea.  Or maybe they can cross it over with something else.  How about they phone up Square Enix and make Tactics Ogre x Fire Emblem?  It isn't like Square is doing anything with that IP and that could let Intelligent Systems be given more freedom on the direction of the game.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 04, 2014, 05:56:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if FE x SMT got cancelled or re-purposed into something else, it's been like what, two years it was announced and we've seen nor heard nothing since?
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Post by: Evan_B on December 05, 2014, 08:04:24 AM
I mean, let's get real, here. Nintendo has had SMTxFE on their release schedules for a while now and I feel like Atlus and Nintendo have a pretty good relationship. I think SMTxFE is just on the back-burner for now.

The way I see it, is that it could be the chance for a now quite popular franchise (Fire Emblem, with the recent sales of Awakening and Smash representation) to pull another more niche franchise into the spotlight. Bonus if it's actually a good game!

If that falls apart, I sure as hell hope Intelligent Systems is thinking about a Fire Emblem game to make up for it, or maybe... I dunno, a PAPER MARIO THAT DOESN'T SUCK.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 05, 2014, 08:12:47 AM
Intelligent Systems needs to be making a new Advance Wars for 3DS.
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Post by: Evan_B on December 05, 2014, 09:47:43 AM
Intelligent Systems needs to be making a new Advance Wars for 3DS.
See, that's where you're wrong, and will always be wrong.
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Post by: Khushrenada on December 05, 2014, 01:40:48 PM
It's Insanonlord. He's always wrong. Except when it comes to putting my name in the Funhouse title. Good job! Sorry about the slam just now. Gotta keep up my forum bad boy cred.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 05, 2014, 05:23:11 PM
Intelligent Systems needs to be making a new Advance Wars for 3DS.
Yeah, been a while since we've gotten a new game in that series. Not even any representation in Smash!
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Post by: Khushrenada on December 05, 2014, 07:34:44 PM
Intelligent Systems needs to be making a new Advance Wars for 3DS.
Yeah, been a while since we've gotten a new game in that series. Not even any representation in Smash!

Lies! There's an assist trophy of Advance Wars infantry men and tanks! Know your games before you criticize them. Always so quick to be negative. Tsk tsk.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 05, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
I think that assist trophy is actually from Famicom Wars, but yes, I did mean in terms of characters and stages.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 05, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
RUMOR: two Nintendo announcements at tonight's Game Awards, one at the start, one at the end.

Kranky Kong in Smash as Starfox clone
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Post by: Shaymin on December 05, 2014, 09:17:30 PM
Half right so far: Mario 3 and World are in Mario Maker.
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Post by: Soren on December 05, 2014, 10:10:19 PM
Codemane STEAM multiplayer trailer reveal with a release date (March 13). Plus Nintendo wins developer of the year and Smash (I assume Wii U) wins best fighting game (cue Ty's angry rant in the next Famicast).
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2014, 11:45:53 PM
Here comes Zelda.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2014, 11:50:24 PM
And that was terrible.
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Post by: Soren on December 05, 2014, 11:51:19 PM
Guys...guys...guys

That's not even the whole map...
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Post by: Evan_B on December 06, 2014, 06:28:50 AM
Actually, I'm pretty sure it is. It looks decently sized to me, and if they put enough **** in it, they won't be taxing themselves too heavily.
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Post by: Shaymin on December 07, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
According to a prominent retailer, the following have been discontinued: Marth, Farmville character, Wii Fit Trainer Amiibos and the GameCube adapter. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXJmfd3cmg)

The link is actually a video of the process.
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Post by: Stratos on December 07, 2014, 12:43:07 PM
I also heard Nintendo denied the rumors and stated it is a production issue because demand outstripped their supply. I can't find a story for this, though.
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Post by: Soren on December 07, 2014, 12:53:11 PM
I know the production run was small, and I know Nintendo will eventually stop making these figures, but it's ridiculous to think the figures will be discontinued after just 2 weeks on sale in the middle of the holiday shopping period.

This is the same issue as the Gamecube controller adapter. No reason to go crazy buying things at inflated prices when it's clear they'll soon be back in stock at normal prices.
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Post by: Stratos on December 07, 2014, 01:16:12 PM
Agreed. I plan on getting all of them once they are back in stock early next year.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 07, 2014, 04:31:37 PM
At least it isn't as bad as people paying thousands of dollars for a PlayStation 4, which would obviously be restocked and wasn't limited. It amazes me that some people are so impatient that they're willing to overpay by the thousands just to not have to wait at most a few months.
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Post by: Khushrenada on December 07, 2014, 05:10:05 PM
A fool and his money are soon parted by Khushrenada! Ha ha ha!
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Post by: Soren on December 07, 2014, 08:57:06 PM
NOA's David Young has confirmed that neither Amiibos nor the Gamecube Controller Adapter have been discontinued. Carry on.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 08, 2014, 09:18:59 PM
What the hell, you guys? Looks like we finally got some rumors, and no one wants to chat!

Source. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=142335742&postcount=1)
Earthbound remakes coming to Wii U in 2016. All three games to be ported and will ship to US.

Wouldn't have believed this two years ago.  This year, it seems almost plausible.
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Post by: Stratos on December 08, 2014, 09:21:10 PM
Maybe the downloads of the VC version made them realize they were fools to not be doing anything with that series. Plus it could give a pleasant boost to Wii U in between the larger releases next year.
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Post by: Soren on December 08, 2014, 09:23:56 PM
Maybe you should have linked the part where a reddit user shoots this rumor down. This is too good to be true.


http://www.reddit.com/r/wiiu/comments/2om5k2/xpost_from_rearthbound_earthbound_forever_wiiu/cmoiw43
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Post by: nickmitch on December 08, 2014, 10:17:56 PM
LET ME HAVE THIS MOMENT, DAMNIT!
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Post by: Soren on December 08, 2014, 11:12:13 PM
Earthbound/Mother fans have suffered enough...
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Post by: nickmitch on December 08, 2014, 11:42:46 PM
T_T
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Post by: Adrock on December 15, 2014, 08:01:43 AM
Is This a New Wii U Gamepad? I Honestly Don't Know. (http://kotaku.com/is-this-a-new-wii-u-gamepad-i-honestly-dont-know-1671135159) (Sorry, azeke, it's a Kotaku article)

The source is a commercial on Nintendo's own YouTube channel. The supposed new GamePad is blurred out. The article makes a point of stating that it is not shot with a deep focus so Nintendo is blurring it out.

I would save the image and upload it to imgur to post here, but I've been having trouble posting on the forums from my iPhone. Just some weird page errors and delayed typing. I'll try to edit it, but no guarantees.

EDIT: Here's the image
(http://i.imgur.com/VWN7K4H.jpg)
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Post by: Shaymin on December 15, 2014, 08:08:35 AM
Nintendo's saving the Vita!
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Post by: Soren on December 15, 2014, 08:26:45 AM
I'm pretty sure Nintendo has to take the Vita in order for Sony to make a Mario Bros. movie that doesn't suck.

Take it to the bank.
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Post by: azeke on December 15, 2014, 08:53:55 AM
It' been making rounds on Neogaf since yesterday and was disproved on the spot right then.

Obviously Kotaku being Kotaku didn't even read following posts in that very thread and copy pasted it day later.

It's now coming back to NeoGaf again.

I've seen two threads already "re-reporting" this bullshit since i started my dinner 15 minutes ago.
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Post by: Soren on December 15, 2014, 10:52:15 AM
No new GamePad, just bad post-production.


Ad was from May but who knew because no one ever sees Wii U ads ever.
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Post by: Stratos on December 15, 2014, 03:45:43 PM
I figured it would turn out to be an incomplete prototype unit that Nintendo passed out to media agencies (like ad production companies) and no one stopped using it for ads because Nintendo likes to drop the ball in the oddest of ways.  The "Nintendo difference" even applies to their mistakes ;).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 17, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
Not Nintendo news, or rumor, but I didn't want to make a thread for it.

Nintendo should keep an eye on this tech, and possibly try to revive the Virtual Boy with it in the next gen (after 4DS. after PS4) of hardware. Maybe 5 years down the line, if it's feasible.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/532001/how-magic-leaps-augmented-reality-works/

Google Invested a very large sum of money, and this tech is supposed to make Oculus Rift look like a 3DS you wear on your face.
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Post by: Stogi on December 17, 2014, 06:38:20 PM
So they give each object a unique set of light rays (like how objects normally reflect light) in order to stimulate our eyes to focus? That's ingenious. They mention it, but the first thing I thought of was corrective displays that allow you to view them without lens or contacts. And depending on how fast it is (they mention augmented reality, so you would assume it's pretty quick) they could develop a one-size fits all prescriptive glasses. Essentially it would be focusing the outside world with a computer instead of a lens. It could even diagnose your eye strength on the fly. But again, it would have to be very fast.

As for Nintendo, I don't see how they could use this. The technology has a chance for widespread acclaim due to it's non-evasive, true 3D depth of field. With a high enough resolution TV, it could be similar to looking at a window. So the need to develop proprietary hardware could be a fools errand. But this is Nintendo after all, and they love their proprietary hardware.
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Post by: Ceric on December 18, 2014, 01:21:31 PM
...
So the need to develop proprietary hardware could be a fools errand. But this is Nintendo after all, and they love their proprietary hardware.
Not to mention fools Errands.
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Post by: Stogi on February 19, 2015, 06:27:37 PM
Aonuma: Zelda has "as large a world as can be realised" on Wii U

http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/290594/Aonuma:+Zelda+has+%22as+large+a+world+as+can+be+realised%22+on+Wii+U/

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In the latest issue of Gamereactor Magazine - out in stores today - we have an interview with Legend of Zelda producer Eiji Aonuma, who discusses not only the remake of Majora's Mask (out last Friday, and reviewed here), but the upcoming Wii U title.

"A huge, seamlessly unfolding world is something that can't be achieved if the hardware isn't advanced enough," he responded when asked how the studio was transitioning to the new world teased in last year's demo. "Ever since we made the very first generation of Legend of Zelda games though, we've had as large a world as can be realised with the hardware, so you could say it was inevitable that we've now done the same with the new Wii U title."

He also commented on claims that the series had finally gone open world.

"When I first showed off the new Zelda game on the Wii U, it seemed everyone was very excited and started proclaiming that a Zelda game had at last become open world! Zelda games have always allowed you to roam and explore a huge world.

"What's changed now is that the hardware has progressed to the point that you can now explore this vast world seamlessly; the underpinning of the game hasn't changed."

And keeping track of where you are in that open world is now easier with the second screen on the Wii U GamePad, which Aonuma says aids with the sense of adventure while paralleling real life.

"Recently, I've taken to relying on the map on my smart phone when I'm out walking in a place I'm not familiar with. A map isn't something you keep tucked away in your bag, it's by holding it in your hand and being able to constantly check it as you move forward step by step that gives you that sense of adventure."

I wonder what Monolith has to say about this...
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 19, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
Aonuma: Zelda has "as large a world as can be realised" on Wii U

... so not that big then?  KIDDING!

Sounds cool.  Hey if they want to have a dick measuring contest with Monolith Soft I'm all for it.  Having a Nintendo team talking about maximizing the hardware is a nice change of pace.  "A huge, seamlessly unfolding world is something that can't be achieved if the hardware isn't advanced enough" is not the sort of comment I can imagine coming from Iwata or Miyamoto.  How did Aonuma feel about making Zelda games with effectively the same level of hardware for 11 years?  We've been debating about what to do with the Zelda series for a while but Wind Waker is the last time Nintendo was using new hardware to push the scale of the world in a Zelda game.  Maybe the "problem" with Zelda lately has been that the series outgrew it's sandbox and now it finally has a bigger one to play in.

Zelda and Xenoblade in the same year might be my killer app for the Wii U.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 19, 2015, 09:32:06 PM


... so not that big then?  KIDDING!

Sounds cool.  Hey if they want to have a dick measuring contest with Monolith Soft I'm all for it.  Having a Nintendo team talking about maximizing the hardware is a nice change of pace.  "A huge, seamlessly unfolding world is something that can't be achieved if the hardware isn't advanced enough" is not the sort of comment I can imagine coming from Iwata or Miyamoto.  How did Aonuma feel about making Zelda games with effectively the same level of hardware for 11 years?  We've been debating about what to do with the Zelda series for a while but Wind Waker is the last time Nintendo was using new hardware to push the scale of the world in a Zelda game.  Maybe the "problem" with Zelda lately has been that the series outgrew it's sandbox and now it finally has a bigger one to play in.

Zelda and Xenoblade in the same year might be my killer app for the Wii U.




So is these to games the ones that get you to buy a Wii U? (assuming you still don't have one)
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Post by: Louieturkey on February 23, 2015, 08:24:02 PM
I likely will buy a Wii U for Zelda and X as well.  I'll probably plunk down for Smash and Mario 3D World and Hyrule Warriors when I can find them for the right price for me as well.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2015, 08:32:31 PM
I'm waiting for the *NEW* Nintendo Wii U with upgraded specs, faster UI and exclusive games that I can now play at the same time as the versions that released on other consoles not named Wii U.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 23, 2015, 08:55:44 PM
Well, you're in luck!

Here's that console you desire! (http://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4/)
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Post by: nickmitch on February 23, 2015, 09:46:15 PM
But you have to buy the Game Pad separately. (http://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/psvita/)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2015, 10:13:27 PM
Well, you're in luck!

Here's that console you desire! (http://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4/)
But you have to buy the Game Pad separately. (http://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/psvita/)

WTF!? How did I not know that Nintendo launched the Playstation.... why didn't they market this to gamers like me!!!?

I should make a new thread. This is exciting. What a wonderful time to be a Nintendo gamer!!!
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Post by: Soren on February 26, 2015, 01:17:15 AM
https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/570260304476700673 (https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/570260304476700673)

Some dude worked as a programmer on Headstrong Games for a year, put "Unannounced Wii U game" in his LinkedIn profile, and the internet found him.

I'm guessing it's the Art Academy game that hasn't come out yet.


EDIT: Also, Gaf strikes again. Straight Right working on another AAA port for Wii U? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=153723005&postcount=1074 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=153723005&postcount=1074)



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Post by: azeke on February 26, 2015, 02:15:51 AM
Some dude worked as a programmer on Headstrong Games for a year, put "Unannounced Wii U game" in his LinkedIn profile, and the internet found him.

I'm guessing it's the Art Academy game that hasn't come out yet.
That or a House of the Dead: Overkill 2: Kill Harder
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Post by: Soren on March 08, 2015, 08:01:04 PM

Next Level working on a Wii U game?

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/03/next_level_games_employee_suggests_hes_working_on_a_wii_u_title_then_stealth_edits_the_post
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Post by: Dasmos on March 08, 2015, 08:21:37 PM
It almost looks like he deleted the last part because he was insinuating it was "weird" to own a Wii U. If I worked for a company who worked almost exclusively for Nintendo it probably wouldn't be the smartest move to insult their products and their user base by calling them weird.

But hey, it could be a sign that they're working on Wii U too. Next Level have a pretty good track record of late, so I'm keen.
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Post by: Soren on March 08, 2015, 09:12:33 PM
I think dude was just so pumped to be working in the industry for the first time that he didn't initially think his post could me misconstrued as something negative. Instead, people now interpreted as him saying he was working on a Wii U game.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 08, 2015, 09:34:27 PM
I thought Next Level basically said they were only working with Nintendo now, because most everything they've done that wasn't published by Nintendo has been complete garbage. I just kind of assumed they were doing something for them.
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Post by: Stratos on March 09, 2015, 04:08:51 PM
They are pretty much a 2nd party studio for Nintendo. That's what I got out of this article on Gamasutra (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/205707/Working_with_Nintendo_making_a_studio_great_for_developers.php).


No surprise if they are making a Wii U game. Lots of possibilities just based on previous games they have worked on for Nintendo.

Maybe a Luigi's Mansion game with the Gamepad acting as a ghost detector similar to how the "Gameboy Horror" was used in the original?
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Post by: Mop it up on March 09, 2015, 07:12:37 PM
It's been two years since their last release so I'm sure they're working on something that will be revealed at E3 most likely. A new Mario Strikers seems like a real possibility, especially since it would go with Nintendo's statement about releasing more Mario and franchise games on the Wii U, and this would be a lower-budget game. I wouldn't be surprised if they're making some other Mario spin-off either. They could also be working on another series revival similar to Punch-Out!! and Luigi's Mansion, though for some reason I find that less likely.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 09, 2015, 11:41:10 PM
RUMOR:

Nintendo actually making a game people care about.


Status: FALSE.
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Post by: Dasmos on March 10, 2015, 01:45:30 AM
Yeah, good one, rat.
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Post by: Soren on March 10, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
Speak for yourself, I'd totally care about a new Mario Strikers.
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Post by: iandemel on March 11, 2015, 04:25:57 PM
I figure this stuff is 99.9% false, give or take 0.1%.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 11, 2015, 04:58:30 PM
Speak for yourself, I'd totally care about a new Mario Strikers.



Sure but you know they aren't going to make one this year.
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Post by: Stratos on March 12, 2015, 09:58:20 PM
It will get delayed to be a launch title for the Super Wii U Too.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 12, 2015, 10:37:25 PM
They haven't made anything since Luigi's Mansion, right? That's long enough ago that their next thing could definitely be coming this year.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 12, 2015, 11:18:44 PM
Wouldn't an Animal Crossing for Wii U be a better fit than some random Mario Sports title? There is plenty of Mario to go around on Wii U, as little as I care for Animal Crossing I think even that would be better at this point than anything remotely Mario related for a while.
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Post by: Soren on March 12, 2015, 11:32:18 PM
Since when does Next Level Games work on Animal Crossing titles?

whynotbothgirl.jpg
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Post by: Evan_B on March 12, 2015, 11:43:01 PM
As much as I hate to admit it, I think Animal Crossing is going to be a big reveal at E3 this year. I hate to admit it because I don't care for that series at all and I'd rather they work on anything BUT Animal Crossing.
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Post by: azeke on March 12, 2015, 11:53:48 PM
I hate to admit it because I don't care for that series at all and I'd rather they work on anything BUT Animal Crossing.
EAD2 (i think it's 2) is a dedicated Animal Crossing studio, and them doing/not doing the next Animal Crossing has zero effect on other studios.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 13, 2015, 12:00:42 AM
I don't follow the different studios so I don't know who makes what all I know is if someone is making a new game for Wii U to release this year Animal Crossing is a likely top candidate.


As for what this mystery game might be, I would put my money on HD remake.
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Post by: Soren on March 13, 2015, 12:25:38 AM
EAD 2 works on Animal Crossing and the Wii _____ games. They are working on Splatoon and are most likely also working on the next Animal Crossing game by now. If Nintendo is serious about getting StarFox and Zelda out this year, Animal Crossing will come out next year.
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Post by: Evan_B on March 13, 2015, 01:10:43 AM
Yes, but given how Wii U releases have been scheduled over the life of the console, animal crossing would be one if the, what, two Wii U games Nintendo releases themselves in the year? I mean full-scale releases. Captain Toad as Kirby honestly aren't huge games with satisfying content. I highly expect Starfox to be priced similarly, which I have stated before.
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Post by: Khushrenada on March 13, 2015, 02:09:15 AM
As much as I hate to admit it, I think Animal Crossing is going to be a big reveal at E3 this year. I hate to admit it because I don't care for that series at all and I'd rather they work on anything BUT Animal Crossing.

I like this post so much considering you are still rocking an Animal Crossing avatar from the Mafia game you participated in. That should confuse some people.
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Post by: Evan_B on March 13, 2015, 01:12:48 PM
I'm full of contradictions, in case you haven't noticed. Hate 3D Land, love 3D World. Hate ORAS, love X&Y. Hate grind fests, love Xenoblade and Hyrule Warriors...
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Post by: Khushrenada on March 13, 2015, 01:15:01 PM
I know what you mean. Sometimes I'm Khushrenada, sometimes I'm NotKhushrenada, sometimes I'm Anti-Khushrenada, sometimes I'm Pro-Khushrenada. I'm just so conflicted.
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Post by: Evan_B on March 13, 2015, 01:41:56 PM
Sometimes you're Khushrenada, sometimes you're ɐpɐuǝɹɥsnɥʞ, am I right?

Love the show and the name, by the way. I don't believe I've ever mentioned it.

In any case, I am going to go out on a limb and say we'll be getting a new Nintendo Direct next week, to smooth out the info regarding the next Mario Kart 8 DLC, Splatoon release, and something else that we may or may not expect.
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Post by: Khushrenada on March 13, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
Thanks. Gundam Wing is a show that less and less people seem to have seen as time goes by which is to be expected with all the Gundam iterations out there. I never knew you knew the reference. Very cool.

I agree that we should be seeing a direct pretty soon because the Mewtwo DLC for Smash Bros requires a code of some sort according to Club Nintendo and we are running out of time for that to get released and I'd think Nintendo would want to hype it up a bit more and maybe explain more about Mewtwo and if there will be future DLC.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 13, 2015, 07:49:40 PM
I also wouldn't be surprised if we hear about the new Nintendo loyalty progarmme soon, since game registration ends on Club Nintendo in a couple of weeks.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 13, 2015, 10:07:45 PM
EAD 2 works on Animal Crossing and the Wii _____ games. They are working on Splatoon and are most likely also working on the next Animal Crossing game by now. If Nintendo is serious about getting StarFox and Zelda out this year, Animal Crossing will come out next year.


Is it always that way? Does it always have to be that way? Is there not a chance Nintendo might try something different considering they have indicated a dedication to developing games for Wii U and recent business trends indicate they know Animal Crossing sells well on consoles and handhelds. Unlike Pokemon where they go out of their way to keep them separate for some reason.

Zelda games were always made in-house but then they started farming them out. Is there a chance they could farm out Animal Crossing to a studio just sitting around with nothing better to do?


Other than that, seriously what else could it be?

If it is a NEW franchise anything goes but they already have Splatoon they aren't likely to launch two brand new IP's the same year are they?

It won't be Kid Icarus or Earthbound. There is that Fire Emblem game that people stopped talking about but that game is not coming out the same year as X and Zelda no way. A Mario Sports game could be in the works just like they used them to pad the Game Cube library when they lost most major sports games back then. But why would they release another Mario game this year they already have two.

Punch Out was mentioned earlier that could be a possibility.

If its not Animal Crossing, which is fine by me I don't like that series anyways, then what else? The only thing I can think of that would be good for them, Nintendo and US would be teaming up with Hudson and doing a new Bomberman for Wii U those generally tend to do well and that would fit right in with Splatoon coming this year.
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Post by: Stratos on March 13, 2015, 10:12:13 PM
Hudson doesn't exist anymore. Nintendo should have bought that up when they had the chance. Maybe they still do.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 13, 2015, 10:39:23 PM
I am sad Nintendo didn't have the foresight to try to buy IPs from failing companies.  Nintendo should have truly been seeking to be the nostalgia gaming company.  Imagine if Nintendo had bought outright the IPs for Bomberman, Mega Man, heck, they could have tried to get Sonic.  If Nintendo did that when the Gamecube launched and then released good games in the franchises for the last 2-3 generations (into the Wii U) they could be in a different situation. 

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Post by: Evan_B on March 13, 2015, 11:05:48 PM
Nintendo can barely manage their own franchises. I can't imagine them taking on more without also acquiring new studios, which is also costly.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 14, 2015, 09:06:27 AM
I didn't know Hudson was gone. Does that mean nobody is making Bomberman games anymore?
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Post by: Dasmos on March 14, 2015, 11:39:49 PM
Konami have the rights now, I think?
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Post by: azeke on March 15, 2015, 12:44:36 AM
Nintendo can barely manage their own franchises.
True, but at least they're doing MUCH better job than any other long-running videogame company.

Did someone say Konami? They have become Metal Gear company, neglecting other series like Silent Hill, Castlevania, Contra. Then they bought Hudson, only to ignore their series as well (though there was some kind of Bomberman online web thingy).

Capcom? Heck, Capcom ruined more their own series than Nintendo ever had.
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Post by: nickmitch on March 15, 2015, 01:32:47 AM
It's not like buying 3rd parties wouldn't come without manpower.  I'm not sure what kind of oversight Nintendo would need to put on studios, but certainly there'd be enough people to keep the franchises maintained as long as someone was keeping the lights on.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 15, 2015, 01:41:10 AM
Nintendo has basically said they don't like to buy studios when what they really want is the talent. They don't want to get into the situation Microsoft did with Rare where they got the brand and the IPs but all the talent jumped ship. They've also shown that they don't really care much about acquiring IPs.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 15, 2015, 10:01:34 AM
Isn't the new studio Nintendo built only meant for young developers to come up with new and awesome ideas?  I'd rather that than some Bubsy-esq has-been retreads.



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Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2015, 01:07:08 PM
talking about Konami, Hudson, and Capcom makes me sad. Throw in Sega for good measure.
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Post by: Triforce Hermit on March 15, 2015, 08:32:59 PM
I hope Capcom finds a deep, dark hole and dies in financial ruin. Sadly they can milk Resident evil remakes and Monster Hunter so that isn't happening anytime soon.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 15, 2015, 09:35:43 PM
Does the world really need any more Mega Man games or whatever the hell else they made though? Mario is fine but you generally don't get one right after another like they did with Mega Man for a while it was a yearly franchise no wonder they killed it. And the way they handled Street Fighter wasn't any better. Sure they learned their lesson with Street Fighter but sadly they regressed with Mega Man.
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Post by: Evan_B on March 15, 2015, 11:42:47 PM
Apparently we do, because Mega Man fans have been complaining about no new Mega Man titles since they stopped making them and foam at the mouth when offered a retread of the same ideas.

Unfortunately, none of the recent ripoffs have been great. I doubt Mighty Number 9 will be, either.
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Post by: broodwars on March 15, 2015, 11:54:01 PM
Unfortunately, none of the recent ripoffs have been great. I doubt Mighty Number 9 will be, either.

Having played the Kickstarter Beta, I can tell you that unless that game has really come together in the last 4 months since I played it, it sure isn't worthy of the hype it's gotten and will probably disappoint a lot of people. That game was ****ing rough in the Beta, which was to be expected of an in-development title but it really felt like the devs hadn't figured out what made their game fun yet. Hopefully they have by now, because I pledged a lot of money on that Kickstarter.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 16, 2015, 12:10:44 AM
Mighty Number 9, just looks bad.  The art direction, the animation, the speed...everything about the game is lacking in charm.

It makes me really sad.
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Post by: Triforce Hermit on March 16, 2015, 12:52:40 AM
I am still very fucking pissed with what they did with MML3. Call it major butthurt, it probably is, but I don't care. Fucking assholes.
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Post by: Caterkiller on March 16, 2015, 03:06:19 AM
Unfortunately, none of the recent ripoffs have been great. I doubt Mighty Number 9 will be, either.

Having played the Kickstarter Beta, I can tell you that unless that game has really come together in the last 4 months since I played it, it sure isn't worthy of the hype it's gotten and will probably disappoint a lot of people. That game was ****ing rough in the Beta, which was to be expected of an in-development title but it really felt like the devs hadn't figured out what made their game fun yet. Hopefully they have by now, because I pledged a lot of money on that Kickstarter.

I didn't know this. Now I'm worried. I initially thought, how could you fail? This coming from a guy who has seen none of the footage and going in with blind faith.
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Post by: Evan_B on March 16, 2015, 05:11:37 AM
I didn't know this. Now I'm worried. I initially thought, how could you fail? This coming from a guy who has seen none of the footage and going in with blind faith.
I don't know, man. The game doesn't look good. I mean, it LITERALLY doesn't look good. The concept art was gorgeous and if they had gone the hand-drawn look I would at least be interested in the visuals. But the gameplay isn't stellar either and the level design is garbage.

Then, of course, there's also the fact that Inafune went back to Kickstarter to try to get MORE money for DLC. That was a low blow.
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Post by: broodwars on March 16, 2015, 04:24:39 PM
I didn't know this. Now I'm worried. I initially thought, how could you fail? This coming from a guy who has seen none of the footage and going in with blind faith.
I don't know, man. The game doesn't look good. I mean, it LITERALLY doesn't look good. The concept art was gorgeous and if they had gone the hand-drawn look I would at least be interested in the visuals. But the gameplay isn't stellar either and the level design is garbage.

Then, of course, there's also the fact that Inafune went back to Kickstarter to try to get MORE money for DLC. That was a low blow.

The game looked pretty mediocre in the Kickstarter Beta, but bear in mind that was 6 months ago and games usually look like crap until their final month or two of development. That was the case with every (sports) game I worked on when I was at EA, so I'm not really worried about the visuals.

No, what worried me about the Beta were that the controls flat-out did not work (literally, you'd press a button on the controller, and the game would think you were pressing a completely different button) and that the moment-to-moment gameplay was extremely abstract and unsatisfying. The main hook of the gameplay is shooting enemies enough to put them into a dazed state, and then dashing through them to acquire a temporary stat modifier on your main weapon. In theory, I suppose this would make the "fun" a kind of score attack/rush-style experience where you're chaining enemies together using each of their stat boosts in sequence. However, in my experience (with the exception of the anti-armor stat booster) you really couldn't feel a distinct difference between the boosts and the shooting was generally unsatisfying.

It's also worth noting that the extremely hard bosses in the demo had to be beaten by knocking enough health off them to put them into a dazed state. Then you had to dash near them (not "through" them, because then you'd hurt yourself) to make that health loss permanent (otherwise, they'd regenerate it completely after a few seconds). It was extremely frustrating and not at all fun.

Like I said, if that Beta was indicative of the final product that game is a mess.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on March 16, 2015, 11:32:12 PM
Doesn't surprise me considering Inafune is nothing more then a greedy piece of **** who's the most responsible for Capcom becoming the crap it is now.  Inafune was the guy who chased away both Kamiya and Mikami, and the one who started Capcom down the path of trying to just rip off Western games instead of you know, continuing designing games the way Capcom had already been doing for 2 decades and was already quite popular in the West because of it.

The whole point of MN9 was just a scam to steal millions from desperate Mega Man fans.  I can guarantee you that not even half of all the money spent on MN9 is even going into development while the rest is going straight to Inafunes bank account because that's just how shameless he really is.
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Post by: Phil on March 17, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Pokemon Rumble World classified by the AUS ratings board (http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/View.aspx?sid=3Dr7D%252fNOA1E1DtmqFV47pA%253d%253d&ncdctx=CMzzotPPsI3EW6EuhYChBcfM0TEqXSOxlGDbpSSE4R%252fDzBotRnYDV3VgJ806VULL)... Multi-platform, probably Wii U and 3DS (Wow, incredibly risky guess, Phil!)

I enjoyed the 3DS and WiiWare games. Didn't play the Wii U one due to there not being dungeons and instead just an arena format.

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Post by: Mop it up on March 17, 2015, 07:24:20 PM
Hudson doesn't exist anymore. Nintendo should have bought that up when they had the chance. Maybe they still do.
The Nintendo subsidiary Nd Cube houses many former employees from Hudson, most notably the Mario Party team, so Nintendo have already gotten a piece of them. Nd Cube took over the Mario Party series with 9 and also make the Wii Party series.
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Post by: Shaymin on March 17, 2015, 08:55:51 PM
In Australia, "multi platform" in ratings means "We can't be arsed to disclose what platform it is so we're covering our bases."
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Post by: Evan_B on March 17, 2015, 09:51:37 PM
I enjoyed the 3DS and WiiWare games. Didn't play the Wii U one due to there not being dungeons and instead just an arena format.
I too enjoy the Rumble series a great deal- the original game is ridiculously addicting, but each subsequent title has moved away from what made the original so great. Here's hoping World has the original formula intact.
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Post by: Soren on March 19, 2015, 06:45:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Stealth___/status/578532958237110272
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Post by: Shaymin on March 19, 2015, 08:42:11 PM
One last one before the end of the FY sounds good to me.
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Post by: Evan_B on March 19, 2015, 11:43:19 PM
Yeah, but if it was going to happen, I feel it would have happened already. Plus Nintendo has just come off of a very busy week/month of preparing another announcement. I can't imagine what they would have in store for us.
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Post by: Evan_B on October 17, 2015, 11:57:27 PM
Hey hey hey, so we haven't had a lot of rumors lately...

But one that has always stuck out to me was Intelligent Systems' job fair where they stated they were currently working on a Paper Mario game for Wii U. You think that holds any water? They've been finished with Fire Emblem If for a while now and I think Paper Mario would be a nice way to keep the Mario brand on Wii U in 2016 while also being a nice, simple game to throw out there- aesthetically, I think it would look lovely on Wii U, too.

Might we hear about this come January?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 18, 2015, 12:12:25 AM
Seems pretty plausible. It'd be a good kind of thing to fill space in the lineup, while their main teams have moved on to NX.
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Post by: Stratos on October 20, 2015, 06:49:40 PM
Plus the final year of a console brings out those quirky side games in droves. Especially Nintendo. It's like they just take all of their side projects and green lights a bunch of them as a last hurrah to see the system off and make some employees happy that their pet projects saw the light of day.
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Post by: Parallax Scroll on October 20, 2015, 07:49:51 PM

This basically sums up the Wii U.


https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/611168047576055808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

(http://i.imgur.com/mykJl0p.jpg)
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Post by: Evan_B on October 21, 2015, 01:53:12 AM
But there are Wii U games. There's a title every month.

I mean, that's not a lot, but still...
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Post by: nickmitch on October 23, 2015, 04:00:02 PM
There a lot of differences between what happened with the Dreamcast and what's happening with the Wii U. I don't really think the situations are that comparable.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 23, 2015, 05:20:17 PM
Yeah, it's even a stretch to say the Dreamcast controller has a screen in it, since technically the screen is on the memory card.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 23, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
Neither Dreamcast or Wii U had the opportunity to reach its full potential...opportunity is the wrong word. Wii U had years to shine and Nintendo mismanaged almost every aspect except it's  game library. I guess some light burn out faster than others. If Xenoblade Chronicles X is the last big Wii U release (quite possible) than its ironic. That was the game that people thought would "save the Wii U so long ago (Nintendo Direct  Jan 2013)
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Post by: Evan_B on October 23, 2015, 05:54:39 PM
It probably could have if it had been released during that time.

Hey! Nintendo has a private video on their Japanese YouTube page! Here's hoping we get some confirmation that Shovel Knight isn't in Smash and that they have some decent holiday fun planned.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 24, 2015, 05:24:45 PM
If Xenoblade Chronicles X is the last big Wii U release (quite possible) than its ironic.
Have some faith man, Zelda U at the least will be the last "big" game, even if it isn't Wii U exclusive.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 24, 2015, 07:33:09 PM
Here's hoping we get some confirmation that Shovel Knight isn't in Smash and that they have some decent holiday fun planned.

Why wouldn't we want Shovel Knight in Smash?
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 24, 2015, 07:50:58 PM
Here's hoping we get some confirmation that Shovel Knight isn't in Smash and that they have some decent holiday fun planned.

Why wouldn't we want Shovel Knight in Smash?
He's the anti-christ or something apparently.

Evan are you referring to this video? If so it was debunked as a past direct they privated for whatever reason.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPh3p_yYrx0CjUKA7c0f8K20wMD-crPMx
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Post by: Evan_B on October 24, 2015, 09:33:07 PM
He's the anti-christ or something apparently.

Evan are you referring to this video? If so it was debunked as a past direct they privated for whatever reason.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPh3p_yYrx0CjUKA7c0f8K20wMD-crPMx
II was referring to the NWR article, which was from trusted sources etc etc.

Still hope that isn't true. But I do expect SOMETHING from Nintendo before the Holiday season reinvigorating Smash and several other titles so that they can market them for the sweet winter cash.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 25, 2015, 08:36:14 AM
Still, the Wii U and Dreamcast are somewhat comparable. 3rd parties abandoned both consoles relatively quickly, and the next-generation PlayStation dominated both console eras.
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Post by: Ymeegod on October 25, 2015, 12:08:54 PM
Damn pirates killed the DC.  Any CD-burner worked.  Also Sega was bleeding money for years so they couldn't afford to support the system after year one.

Nintendo's making a profit on the WII U, it's not selling the hardware at a lose and software sales are decent though still a lot lower than than were during the WII golden years.

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 25, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
The "cost" of piracy is way overblown. The demise of Dreamcast had nothing to do with piracy. Nothing. The PS2, EA Sports, and Sega's lack of marketing killed the Dreamcast. If piracy killed consoles, then the PlayStation would have died quickly, the DS and 3DS would have died quickly, the Wii would have died within  weeks of release, the PS2 would have died, etc, etc. All of those consoles mentioned thrived in spite of rampant piracy.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 25, 2015, 04:26:13 PM
"Florida Man Violates DMCA"  ;)

If I remember correctly, Sega was loosing money quite rapidly and didn't have much in reserve when they dropped the Dreamcast price to $50 and cancelled it. The company's overall financial issues caused them to cancel the console.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 25, 2015, 04:38:49 PM
I'm not advocating piracy, just saying that as bad as it may be on some consoles, it's never put any of them out of business. I don't know how I got that title anyway, I guess because I explained how to install Nintendont to play GameCube games on the Wii U or something. I buy all my games. Movies...not so much.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 25, 2015, 05:09:06 PM
I would say that piracy is still a big issue, especially like on DS where it was probably more common than legitimate purchases. Dedicated pirates will always find a way and that isn't so much an issue since it's a very small percentage of the audience, however once it becomes easy to do and more convenient to the general public than actually paying for it we start to see sigificant drops in software sales. Bold prediction here but I'd say if 3DS had the same piracy protection DS had, which is so say basically none, it wouldn't be the saving grace it is to Nintendo now and they would be in a very different situation financially.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 25, 2015, 05:17:33 PM
So, you thing more people pirated New Super Mario Bros., for example, than purchased it? Nearly 31 million people bought it, for the record. That is a bold statement, and one that is not based in reality. Mario Kart 7, on the newer-to-piracy (and harder to pirate) 3DS has sold 12 million.

Anywho, back to NX...
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 25, 2015, 07:07:49 PM
Ah yes you are right, I am miss remembering it, looking into it was the PSP that had a piracy rate higher than purchase rate.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 25, 2015, 07:27:40 PM
Didn't the DS require special hardware (a card that took micro-SDs) in order to pirate?  The Dreamcast only needed two things that were likely already in your home: a burner and a blank disc.  Though the files may have been harder to come by, I just remember it being so easy that everyone I knew who had the console was pirating games.  (Not me, though. I got strong morals.) I just can't picture piracy not being a big nail in that coffin.  Though I'm just going on anecdotal evidence and substantial facts.
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Post by: Stratos on October 25, 2015, 07:30:14 PM
Piracy doesn't hurt the "big" games. But I know several people who pirated The World Ends With You on the DS and raved about the game and how they hoped for a sequel. It did irritate me in that instance because the game sold low enough to not spur a sequel in a good long while. What has it been? 10 years? I'm not saying that piracy is the reason, but I would suggest that the niche and indie games are the ones with the most potential to suffer from piracy.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 25, 2015, 08:19:03 PM
Piracy does hurt software developers, some more than others, but again that can be overblown. I only have anecdotal evidence, mainly just people on message boards, but it seems at least a good chunk of software pirates would have never purchased said games to begin with. A game pirated != a sale lost. I can't say that's a majority, or even a half, or really any subset, but it's part of the equation. Piracy does help hardware sales though.


Back to the Dreamcast - it had a good chunk of million sellers, and 2.5 million sales of Sonic Adventure out of 8 million total console sales is pretty decent, and probably enough to make the point that piracy was not a major (as in console-killing) issue.


PSP did have an unusually high piracy rate, but it also had a very small slate of good games, especially of the mass-appeal type.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 25, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
Yeah that is an interesting point. The old argument was the people who were pirating Photoshop couldn't afford to buy Photoshop anyways.

Anyway, with so much becoming digital download only, physical media piracy is becoming less of an issue. On the other hand, people dump Wiiware games to Dolphin, so they are still pirating digital only games.

I expect the NX (and other platforms) to have online verification like Steam or like Xbox One was supposed to have.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on October 25, 2015, 11:07:37 PM
I am in the camp that piracy concerns are generally overblown and that piracy can in fact be beneficial under certain conditions. The PSP (and DS as well) would have sold substantially less as a hardware platform had it not been a pirate haven. In terms of a pirated game experience not taking a purchase away, I mean, it's probably like a .3, but the purchase of the hardware and need to purchase certain games that don't work otherwise and whatnot probably makes up for it. And really piracy is performing a genuine social good in preserving games, so it's kind of a cost that the makers should be willing to bear in the face of at best indifferent industry concerns about preservation.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 26, 2015, 12:40:03 AM
I always thought more than anything, Dreamcast failed due to its lackluster drive. If the DC had a DVD player built in, Sega XboX 360 might have come out 8 years ago and Shenmue 5 could be the 2015's big Holiday title.




"I have dreamed a dream, and now that dream is gone from me"
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Post by: Ymeegod on October 26, 2015, 08:53:25 AM
The PlayStation needed to be modded though vs the DC was able to play burned CDs right from the get go.  Two the price of CD-burner's was nearly $1000 back when PS1 launched and around $50 by the time DC launched meaning tons of people could afford them.  Since you didn't need any special hardware, what people even without internet were doing were "purchasing" games and returning them after burning a copy.

PSP sales were the same, hardware wise the PSP sold 75+ million UNITS but software was a joke (outside of Japan who don't pirate games as much of the rest of the world).


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Post by: Ian Sane on October 26, 2015, 11:52:27 AM
I think the Dreamcast's failure was a result of two major issues:

1. Sega was coming off the Saturn and the 32X and had generally destroyed consumer trust in them.  The Dreamcast was a great console with great games and Sega were pretty much doing everything right but gamers didn't trust them enough to just immediately buy the console without first waiting to see what the PS2 offered.

2. Sega financially was not in a good enough position to survive anything but a major overnight hit, which they didn't get.  The Dreamcast would probably have done fine if it had a chance to build an audience over a generation.

The Wii U isn't Nintendo's Dreamcast though, it's their Saturn - following a successful console with a misguided product that was not at all what consumers were looking for and quickly looked completely out of its league with its two competitors.  The NX is more likely to be Nintendo's Dreamcast - the comeback console where the manufacturer learned from their prior mistakes (at least I HOPE that part happens).  Only Nintendo has stronger finances and could survive a slow steady comeback without the NX needing to be an overnight sensation.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 26, 2015, 05:23:56 PM
The PlayStation only needed a GameShark and a spring (or a pen cap or anything that pressed the "lid is closed" button) to play games off of CD-R. I don't know what you'e talking about with not needing special hardware - Dreamcast games are on a GD-ROM, so you could not copy them with your PC's drive, you have to have the DC serial cable and it took (if I remember correctly, from what I've read) about 24 hours to copy a disc - you could, however, copy a PSX game with any CD burner. PS2 only needed a GameShark and a piece of plastic.


This is getting out of hand though, I suggest we make a "general piracy discussion" thread (not a how-to).
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Post by: Ymeegod on October 26, 2015, 07:03:01 PM
"The PlayStation only needed a GameShark and a spring (or a pen cap or anything that pressed the "lid is closed" button) to play games off of CD-R."

And that workaround came towards the end of it's life and needed additional hardware, vs DC which needed nothing from day 1:(.  Big difference.

As far "Dreamcast games are on a GD-ROM"  LoL, only a few select games required more than 720MB.  Very few 1GB games.  You didn't need an connection to the Dreamcast neither.  PC burners could read the disc files just disc swap.   
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 26, 2015, 07:38:19 PM
CD burners could burn images, but CD-ROMs or DVD-ROMs could not read the GD-ROM discs - okay there were a handful of drives that could be modded and rip some discs (at least parts of the discs). The GameShark swap worked without the hardware dongle (which came with the GameShark), you only needed the dongle for cheat codes, not for playing games off of CD-R.


And for the record, day one is only true if you consider "10 months after release" to be day one.


http://consolecopyworld.com/dc/dc_backup_faq.shtml#0 (http://consolecopyworld.com/dc/dc_backup_faq.shtml#0)


Full disclosure: I burned a lot of Dreamcast games back in the day. I did not own a Dreamcast until at least a year after it was discontinued, however.
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Post by: Ymeegod on October 26, 2015, 10:09:12 PM
That info is so not correct.

You can "trick" your burner (I had an 2X CD burner first generation) into 1:1 ratio with GD-ROMS.  The only issue would be if the game was over 720MB (or 1GB if you overburn) and very few DC games were.   

Disc swapping:

"The second method consisted on the typical disc swapping. It worked by introducing a CD filled with data on your computer, and swapping it with a GD-Rom without your computer knowing it. That way the PC thought there was data all the way to the end of the disc, due to it using the CD’s TOC, instead of the newly swapped GD’s  TOC. This method produced a 1:1 copy of the disc."

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Post by: Ymeegod on October 26, 2015, 10:14:57 PM
What's funny is your agruement is that piracy didn't hurt the DC but your own link quotes this
" In January, new releases started coming few and far between, since most of the games that could have been ripped had already been ripped. In mid-February 2001, Sega announced the end of Dreamcast unit production would take place on 31Mar01 citing the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars, and many third party companies scrapped their DC games in development even if they were near completion for more viable platforms, such as the Playstation 2, Nintendo GameCube and Microsoft X-Box. "
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 27, 2015, 12:13:33 AM
Piracy absolutely contributed to the demise of Dreamcast. Picture the year 2000, I'm a young sailor on board USS Hayler and we pull into a port in South America (Peru I recall) Long story not as long I buy 10 DC games plus the Freeloader disc for 40 US dollars if it was even that. Since the internet was a baby and I was on ship I had no Idea how games were sold over seas. So save for a few newer games that came out after Jan 2001, there wasn't a game I had that was an actual retail game sold through Sega.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 27, 2015, 01:45:20 PM
The line about "new releases" is talking about games being ripped and posted online, not about retail releases, which were never that robust.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 27, 2015, 03:48:08 PM
Every retail Dremcast game was 1.2GB. Not all of it was "real" data. You could not trick your burner into burning a 1:1 copy, ever. You could burn a CD-R image that typically had downsampled audio or video files, or even  re-linked/replaced video files in order to fit the actual game onto a 750MB or 800MB disc. I believe some burners could burn 99min CDs, but even that was not enough room to make a 1:1 copy.
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Post by: Ymeegod on October 27, 2015, 04:52:32 PM
"Every retail Dremcast game was 1.2GB"

Yet the actual data was less than that 95% of the time.  So the CDR DC copies didn't record all those "empty tracks" so it's not 1:1 by your standards. 

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Post by: Soren on October 27, 2015, 05:02:55 PM
I would like to think you kept reading Brandogg's post after the bit you quoted. I mean, at least the sentence directly following it. But I don't know man...this whole thread's gone someplace weird...
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 27, 2015, 05:56:03 PM
Like I said, we need a "general piracy discussion" thread. We're way off base here. 1:1 means exactly that...1:1. It's not my standard, it's the definition.
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Post by: broodwars on October 27, 2015, 06:17:20 PM
Personally, I think this whole conversation just needs its own thread because it's incredibly boring to read and has next to nothing to do with the actual thread...but that's just me.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 27, 2015, 07:14:45 PM
Rumour: NX cancelled due to piracy.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 27, 2015, 07:59:26 PM
Here we go, info on the Nintendo Mobile front. Must keep Broodwars entertained!

1) One day to go until Nintendo’s first of two briefings this week. The first app will use existing IP, but don't expect too much from it.

2) Don't get your hopes up too high for Mario. But I heard Nintendo and DeNA are planning to pull out the big guns (bigger IPs) next year.

3) About the membership service, I heard technical challenges made a roll-out earlier in the year impossible (well, this isn't trivial).

4) Another point: according to my sources, Nintendo+DeNA experiment with different business models, so non free-to-play apps are possible.

5) Thank you for reading, and please take all of this with the appropriately sized grain of salt. /end

https://twitter.com/serkantoto (https://twitter.com/serkantoto)
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 27, 2015, 08:09:38 PM
I doubt we will hear anything of NX in the upcoming meetings since they have specified on two separate occasions that we will have to wait until next year. Although I would be very surprised if we didn't hear details on the reward system and mobile strategy.
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Post by: Evan_B on October 27, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
I don't care about NX, I care about their other consoles having support until the NX launches Holiday 2017.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on October 28, 2015, 01:17:16 AM
The release schedules for both the 3DS and WiiU are so anemic going into next year that I don't understand how one could not expect at least one part of the NX to launch in 2016. Does anyone seriously think Nintendo is holding back a significant pipeline of unannounced games for either console next year?
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Post by: Enner on October 28, 2015, 04:05:55 AM
Well, not a significant pipeline. But something along the Geist/Baten Kaitos Origins years or the Skyward Sword years are a possibility with Nintendo. I don't think it's out of the question that Nintendo would just do a whole lot of nothing for 12-18 months.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 28, 2015, 01:17:57 PM
I don't think it's out of the question that Nintendo would just do a whole lot of nothing for 12-18 months.

They have done it before but, ****, that would so stupid to do it again.  The Wii practically disappearing off the face of the earth for two years did the Wii U no favours.  If Nintendo thinks that sort of thing is perfectly acceptable yet again then they haven't learned a damn thing and if they haven't learned from their mistakes the NX is already dead.  If they can't get obvious stuff like that right then they won't get the big important stuff right either.

The NX is coming out in 2016 or it might as well come out in 3045 for all the fucking good that any further delay will do Nintendo.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on October 28, 2015, 03:22:05 PM
I'm with Ian on this one. If they wait til 2017 they're toast as hardware makers.

I mean, if we're assuming that this fall season to next fall season is the final year of retail releases for WiiU/3DS, what does that consist of?

WiiU: World of Woolly Yoshi, Xenoblade X, Mario Tennis Ultra, Star Fox U, Pokken, Amiibo Festival, Weird Anime Fire Emblem Crossover Thingy, Maybe Zelda U, Maybe Twilight Princess HD, Maybe Pikmin 4

3DS: Uhh. Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam. Happy Home Designer. Triforce Heroes. Hyrule Warriors port. Chibi Robo The Last. I think they're publishing Yokai Watch. I must be missing something.

Even if we assume there are a few Rainbow Curse level spin-off games being held back, between two platforms that's not a great showing, and a lot of the titles are pretty thin. Another full year without even a hypothetical mainline Zelda title would be a graveyard compared to even the last year of the Wii.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 28, 2015, 04:10:03 PM
Nintendo is in a good position to sweep Wii U under the rug and go into NX with everything they got guns blazing. At this point in the Wii's development it was still hard to get hyped because we already knew it wasn't going to be HD, we knew it was going to be focused on "retro" gaming, and we knew that it was going to barely be more powerful than Gamecube, the quote was 2-3 times and that was debunked early on. So right now we haven't yet had any red flags jump out to derail the hype, which is very promising. With Wii U we already knew it was going to be underpowered and feature a head scratching gamepad that has yet to justify it self in the marketplace. Right now we have reports of real support from companies that actually matter, plus we have reports it will feature cutting edge tech, those are the two biggest things that derailed the Wii and Wii U hype train even before the baffling waggle wand took all the thunder out of that big reveal. With Wii the waggle worked out because it was priced right and had a killer app at launch, with Wii U it had nothing at all going for it.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 28, 2015, 04:16:37 PM
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028_3e.pdf (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028_3e.pdf)
The release list from Nintendo out today is mostly reliable, although not completely since Brain Training is still on EU's list and it's missing some games like DQ Monsters 3, DQ 11 and Shin Megami Tensei 4F. If we take third parties into account and assume everything will be localised the 3DS would have an excellent year in 2016 although that likely won't happen. There isn't much original coming put in terms of second wave sequels, oh man, new entries in Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright, Fire Emblem, Shin Megami Tensei, Etrian Odessy, Bravely Second, Picross 3D, Project X Zone and if we're lucky Rhythm Heaven and Dragon Quest. Not to mention game of the year 2016...
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 28, 2015, 04:27:16 PM
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028_3e.pdf (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028_3e.pdf)
The release list from Nintendo out today is mostly reliable, although not completely since Brain Training is still on EU's list and it's missing some games like DQ Monsters 3, DQ 11 and Shin Megami Tensei 4F. If we take third parties into account and assume everything will be localised the 3DS would have an excellent year in 2016 although that likely won't happen. There isn't much original coming put in terms of second wave sequels, oh man, new entries in Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright, Fire Emblem, Shin Megami Tensei, Etrian Odessy, Bravely Second, Picross 3D, Project X Zone and if we're lucky Rhythm Heaven and Dragon Quest. Not to mention game of the year 2016...

This is the problem with Nintendo CONSOLE discussions, someone always brings up how great the portable is doing as it somehow has anything to do with the console in question. Nobody is disputing the 3DS is set for releases, this year and next, Wii U is where the droughts are but hey I guess talking about an upcoming Nintendo CONSOLE somehow wouldn't make sense if we didn't also talk about the handheld.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 28, 2015, 04:43:38 PM
3DS: Uhh. Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam. Happy Home Designer. Triforce Heroes. Hyrule Warriors port. Chibi Robo The Last. I think they're publishing Yokai Watch. I must be missing something.
Well that was in response to this, but as for Wii U releases I think what we have coming is decent for the last year of a console and would be about on par with '13 '14 and '15. If we get Q1 Twilight Princess HD and Star Fox, Q2 Pokken Tournament and Lost Reavers, Q3 Genei Ibun Roku #FE and Pikmin 4, and Q4 Zelda Wii U (+ the launch of NX with all of it's launch games) I will be more than satisfied. HD console games take longer to make and require more resources so I fully expect to spend more time with my handheld than with my console.
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Post by: Enner on October 28, 2015, 04:46:52 PM
The NX is coming out in 2016 or it might as well come out in 3045 for all the fucking good that any further delay will do Nintendo.
I'm with Ian on this one. If they wait til 2017 they're toast as hardware makers.

Granted, Nintendo's advertising has been weak for years. Also, I'm going at this as a person that can wait a while.

But this is a problem that can be solved with a good marketing story. Okay, and maybe enough games for the Wii U and 3DS.

My thinking is that whatever perception there is on Nintendo from the enthusiast audience and press won't be any significantly different between 2016 or 2017. Put another way, whatever gamers think of Nintendo has solidified a while ago and any conversions will be few. Meanwhile the wider audience, who is most likely largely ignorant of the daily tumbles of the enthusiast audience, is just as susceptible to a shiny new Nintendo game in 2017 as it would in 2016. And hey, everyone likes the underdog and a comeback story, right?

Personally, I'm hoping for NX in 2017 in order to have a higher quality games at launch. If NX SDKs are only now being sent out to third-parties, a 2016 NX launch would mean third party games that have spent a year in development with Nintendo games that only had a little more time being made. Maybe that works out somehow, but I have my doubts.

Alas, perhaps I am overestimating the patience available for Nintendo these days. I can't discount that I'm a weirdo for saying, "I can wait for you in 2017!" Also, the 3DS is in dire need of a successor.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 28, 2015, 04:53:25 PM
3DS: Uhh. Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam. Happy Home Designer. Triforce Heroes. Hyrule Warriors port. Chibi Robo The Last. I think they're publishing Yokai Watch. I must be missing something.
Well that was in response to this, but as for Wii U releases I think what we have coming is decent for the last year of a console and would be about on par with '13 '14 and '15. If we get Q1 Twilight Princess HD and Star Fox, Q2 Pokken Tournament and Lost Reavers, Q3 Genei Ibun Roku #FE and Pikmin 4, and Q4 Zelda Wii U (+ the launch of NX with all of it's launch games) I will be more than satisfied. HD console games take longer to make and require more resources so I fully expect to spend more time with my handheld than with my console.


My bad, I apologize for the attitude then forgive me friend. I don't buy the HD games take longer story though, Sony, EA, Activision, Microsoft, they don't have any trouble putting out multiple HD games a year that any ONE game could take vastly more resources than every single Nintendo game released in a year. Okay a Star Fox, Metroid, Zelda I see those taking longer but Mario Maker? Mario Tennis? Those don't need any longer in HD than they did before, how much longer does it take to paint a new HD jpeg image for the textures that is all HD takes over SD, larger textures the rest is easily scaleable in the dev software.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 28, 2015, 05:09:46 PM
Most of the upcoming 3DS titles are games that have already been released in Japan and are just be localized later for the West.  The 3DS actual future in terms of new content is just as bare as the Wii U.  The signs are pointing pretty heavily to the NX being both a handheld and home console that share the same OS, meaning the 3DS is getting replaced as well next year.

Of course the advantage is the NX is looking to have a pretty impressive launch lineup.  The Wii U had a crappy launch lineup because not only were Nintendo's studio's not prepared for HD, but because after the 3DS terrible sales in it's post launch months, Nintendo shifted most of their resources into 3DS development because the handheld market was more important to them which resulted in Wii U development getting set back in many cases.

With the NX sharing an OS between the systems, not only will several titles outright be shared between the two, but easier development for the console unique titles.  Like say right now Tokyo EAD could be working on a 3D Mario for both the NX handheld and home console.  The handheld version is like 3D Land and will be ready for launch while the home console will be more like the Galaxy games and released May 2017.  Because they share on OS it's easier to reuse all the assists for the games to allow for quicker development unlike right now where they have to basically start from scratched when developing the handheld and home console version of games.  So instead of their studio's having to take 2-3 years to make a new home console version they can make both at the same time and release the bigger home console games less then a year later or in the case of Smash Bros a few months later.


Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if the NX launch lineup for November 2016 is something like Mario 3D Land 2 is exclusive to the handheld, Zelda Wii U port is exclusive to the NX home console and something like a real Animal Crossing will be available on both with cross-play support.  Then in 2017 from here on out you'll have almost a new game every month since some games will get released for both systems at once while the unique titles for one, will get a unique counterpart released for the other months later.
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 28, 2015, 05:11:55 PM
3DS: Uhh. Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam. Happy Home Designer. Triforce Heroes. Hyrule Warriors port. Chibi Robo The Last. I think they're publishing Yokai Watch. I must be missing something.
Well that was in response to this, but as for Wii U releases I think what we have coming is decent for the last year of a console and would be about on par with '13 '14 and '15. If we get Q1 Twilight Princess HD and Star Fox, Q2 Pokken Tournament and Lost Reavers, Q3 Genei Ibun Roku #FE and Pikmin 4, and Q4 Zelda Wii U (+ the launch of NX with all of it's launch games) I will be more than satisfied. HD console games take longer to make and require more resources so I fully expect to spend more time with my handheld than with my console.


My bad, I apologize for the attitude then forgive me friend. I don't buy the HD games take longer story though, Sony, EA, Activision, Microsoft, they don't have any trouble putting out multiple HD games a year that any ONE game could take vastly more resources than every single Nintendo game released in a year. Okay a Star Fox, Metroid, Zelda I see those taking longer but Mario Maker? Mario Tennis? Those don't need any longer in HD than they did before, how much longer does it take to paint a new HD jpeg image for the textures that is all HD takes over SD, larger textures the rest is easily scaleable in the dev software.
I'm sure it's easy to up the resolution of a texture but if you want to truly make something look good and take advantage of the hardware I think it would take a lot more time. Nintendo relative to other companies is quite small, like twice as many people at Ubisoft than at Nintendo and Ubisoft doesn't have a hardware division. Ubisoft releases many massive open world games per year but in my personal opinion I think these mass produced AAA games lack the soul of something made by a smaller team with less resources like child of light or grow home.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 28, 2015, 05:24:00 PM
3DS: Uhh. Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam. Happy Home Designer. Triforce Heroes. Hyrule Warriors port. Chibi Robo The Last. I think they're publishing Yokai Watch. I must be missing something.
Well that was in response to this, but as for Wii U releases I think what we have coming is decent for the last year of a console and would be about on par with '13 '14 and '15. If we get Q1 Twilight Princess HD and Star Fox, Q2 Pokken Tournament and Lost Reavers, Q3 Genei Ibun Roku #FE and Pikmin 4, and Q4 Zelda Wii U (+ the launch of NX with all of it's launch games) I will be more than satisfied. HD console games take longer to make and require more resources so I fully expect to spend more time with my handheld than with my console.


My bad, I apologize for the attitude then forgive me friend. I don't buy the HD games take longer story though, Sony, EA, Activision, Microsoft, they don't have any trouble putting out multiple HD games a year that any ONE game could take vastly more resources than every single Nintendo game released in a year. Okay a Star Fox, Metroid, Zelda I see those taking longer but Mario Maker? Mario Tennis? Those don't need any longer in HD than they did before, how much longer does it take to paint a new HD jpeg image for the textures that is all HD takes over SD, larger textures the rest is easily scaleable in the dev software.
I'm sure it's easy to up the resolution of a texture but if you want to truly make something look good and take advantage of the hardware I think it would take a lot more time. Nintendo relative to other companies is quite small, like twice as many people at Ubisoft than at Nintendo and Ubisoft doesn't have a hardware division. Ubisoft releases many massive open world games per year but in my personal opinion I think these mass produced AAA games lack the soul of something made by a smaller team with less resources like child of light or grow home.

Um re-read what I said, textures are the part that takes the longest to do in HD, you have to paint a whole new image upscaling won't work or else it will be ugly like N64 textures were. If you create a 3D model of a character/object you just set the resolution when you output the file its that simple. Most of this stuff is done in super high res and down scaled to SD anyways. What exactly takes longer in a Mario game? The levels are not any larger scale, the models are not any more detailed then before all you get is more objects on the screen and higher res textures, those games are pretty simple. I haven't seen much on Wii U that would have taken any other developer as long to produce as it takes Nintendo.

Even before HD, it took them just as long to release games so again I don't buy the whole games being in HD as the argument, YES what you said about smaller teams that is the real culprit which Nintendo addressed by consolidating their teams recently. But to make Mario Maker in HD would add not a single minute to the actual development time because their artists are likely creating their images in hi res to you know see what they are doing and then exporting those at the targeted lower resolution anyways, most likely always have been.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 28, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
The NX is coming out in 2016 or it might as well come out in 3045 for all the fucking good that any further delay will do Nintendo.
I'm with Ian on this one. If they wait til 2017 they're toast as hardware makers.

Granted, Nintendo's advertising has been weak for years. Also, I'm going at this as a person that can wait a while.

But this is a problem that can be solved with a good marketing story. Okay, and maybe enough games for the Wii U and 3DS.

My thinking is that whatever perception there is on Nintendo from the enthusiast audience and press won't be any significantly different between 2016 or 2017. Put another way, whatever gamers think of Nintendo has solidified a while ago and any conversions will be few. Meanwhile the wider audience, who is most likely largely ignorant of the daily tumbles of the enthusiast audience, is just as susceptible to a shiny new Nintendo game in 2017 as it would in 2016. And hey, everyone likes the underdog and a comeback story, right?

Personally, I'm hoping for NX in 2017 in order to have a higher quality games at launch. If NX SDKs are only now being sent out to third-parties, a 2016 NX launch would mean third party games that have spent a year in development with Nintendo games that only had a little more time being made. Maybe that works out somehow, but I have my doubts.

Alas, perhaps I am overestimating the patience available for Nintendo these days. I can't discount that I'm a weirdo for saying, "I can wait for you in 2017!" Also, the 3DS is in dire need of a successor.

I think you are overestimating the patience available for Nintendo.  You're the converted.  My general feeling is that in general Nintendo is ignored at best and outright mistrusted at worst.  I see the Wii U as an embarrassing failure and with each year it damages Nintendo's reputation more and more.  Just waiting one year for 2016 seems like a major challenge, let alone two.  Pretty much no one makes games for the Wii U except Nintendo and they're notoriously slow at releasing games.  People like to go with a console that seems like a safe purchase.  A steady flow of games markets a console as a safe bet.  It is good PR for people to see new games on the shelves every week.  It's good to have the gaming press constantly talking about product on your console.  In the past it was the magazines and now it's the web sites.  If you go to a site that covers all systems the Wii U is a footnote and it isn't even because of any perceived bias.  You can't write reviews and previews for games that don't exist.  You can't report news if there is nothing going on.  A gamer that visits these sites will see Nintendo console related news like 10 times a year while he'll see PS4 related stuff every single day.  Because the Wii U is such a non-entity Nintendo gets little exposure so that makes it look like they don't matter.  And any exposure they do get will just emphasize the Wii U's problems and create the impression that the NX will have the same issues.  The last thing Nintendo should want is for people to associate their brand with a lack of games and yet the Wii U has been blowing that trumpet since day one.  Why would any company want to do that for two more years?
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Post by: TOPHATANT123 on October 28, 2015, 06:50:05 PM
"When it comes to the scale of software development, Wii U with HD graphics requires about twice the amount the human resources than before" - Shigeru Miyamoto

When you have more detail on screen it stands to reason that if you want to fill that detail it's just going to take longer. Not just resolution but you have more complex lighting , physics and particle effects that come with new hardware. Now for something faux retro like Mario Maker or something like NES Remix I agree more powerful hardware wouldn't drastically increase development time. But the argument that the time taken to develop graphics for a game like Mario 3D Land and Mario 3D World would be identical, I just find it silly.

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Post by: Ymeegod on October 28, 2015, 08:04:10 PM
I wonder why Nintendo never leases out it's own engines.  I would have an teir license agreement based on software sales, if a game does well than pay up royalities; if it bombs, pay nothing.  Something to attract third party developers for making exclusive games on Nintendo platforms.

There's third-party multiplatform engines like Unity but they really don't optimize for Nintendo's products.  Middleware engines :(.

I would've loved to see a Sonic Game running on SM3DWorld's engine. 
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 28, 2015, 08:52:57 PM
"When it comes to the scale of software development, Wii U with HD graphics requires about twice the amount the human resources than before" - Shigeru Miyamoto

When you have more detail on screen it stands to reason that if you want to fill that detail it's just going to take longer. Not just resolution but you have more complex lighting , physics and particle effects that come with new hardware. Now for something faux retro like Mario Maker or something like NES Remix I agree more powerful hardware wouldn't drastically increase development time. But the argument that the time taken to develop graphics for a game like Mario 3D Land and Mario 3D World would be identical, I just find it silly.

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You are quoting a man who himself has no hands on involvement in the process whose games require a fraction of the manpower other games in the industry require and it isn't like they don't have that manpower Nintendo is NOT some small developer with twenty or so people they have hundreds of employees working for them.

Call it silly do you work in the industry do you know how things are made? OKAY take Mario Maker, how long does it take YOU to copy and paste items from a pre developed engine? Don't you think Nintendo already has their own in house "mario maker?" or do you honestly think they just built New Super Mario U and 3D World entirely from scratch? Again none of those minor games would require that much additional time no way not the games Nintendo has been making not even Mario Kart, maybe Smash, Maybe Bayonetta 2, MAYBE Star Fox development was increased due to HD but no way any of the other games made by Nintendo on Wii U were.

It takes longer to do animated cut scenes in HD because of the amount of time required to PROCESS and RENDER the animated files but hardly any of Nintendo's games use those. Nintendo has been using that as an excuse for far to long, its the same BS they said about needing to use Carts because loadtimes were an issue and then N64 games didn't benefit at all from carts and CD games didn't lose anything from load times.

A game like God Of War takes longer to do in HD verses the SD version but there is NOTHING on Wii U that would require a significant increase in development time, especially the third tier lazy slop that is all they have left in the works and their Zelda game that is probably more ambitious than they anticipated.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on October 28, 2015, 11:51:03 PM
Yeah, I'm not buying that the 3DS has a rosy outlook for 2016. It's taking advantage of the fact that Japanese 3rd parties are still making games for it, and Nintendo is hard up enough to focus on localizations, but if that was a huge asset the Vita wouldn't be dead. The 3DS has ridden hard on strong first party support. I suppose it could have a third wind if Yokai Watch turns out to be a huge phenomenon in the west, but I somehow doubt it. What I'm mainly seeing is that there are no more big releases planned for the platform and there is a baffling absence of even Pokemon Z.

I think it's crystal clear that most of Nintendo's internal firepower has shifted to development for the new hardware platforms, and if that has been managed toward a 2017 launch then they will be dead in the water.
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Post by: Wah on October 29, 2015, 12:16:41 AM
As long as it has a new Pokémon ranger game and a good Pokémon Mystery (one with the personality test back!) I'm sold!
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Post by: Soren on October 29, 2015, 01:51:28 AM
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/10/nintendo_has_unannounced_wii_u_and_3ds_titles_ready_for_launch_before_the_year_end


Project Guard may very well release this year as a small eShop title. That and maybe a few surprises.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 29, 2015, 01:18:32 PM
but the problem with eshop is they don't have big reach. People don't go into Game Stop, Walmart, or Best Buy and ask a sales rep to look at an eshop catalog, they browse the store display don't see any new games since last year outside of two or three they might not even be that interested in, and move on. I have plenty of eshop games but I have learned about all of them from within the eshop or had then on another platform and only got them to spend unused shop points I got from promotions long gone.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 29, 2015, 01:26:56 PM
How does Xbla, PSN, or Steam do it?
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 29, 2015, 01:40:33 PM
How does Xbla, PSN, or Steam do it?

Um they have MILLIONS of users talking about them on the internet?
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Post by: Evan_B on October 29, 2015, 07:44:27 PM
And Nintendo doesn't?
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Post by: Stratos on October 29, 2015, 08:09:31 PM
They do what Nintendon't.


The userbase is much larger for the other networks.
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 29, 2015, 08:31:55 PM
I'm going to need to see some numbers on this...
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Post by: Wah on October 29, 2015, 08:41:44 PM
Steam = **** ton of people, their you go and you should join shy!

plus do you think the NX will have cupholders?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 29, 2015, 08:45:58 PM
I don't know about cupholders, but it should definitely have a handle. That would come in handy in so many different situations.
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Post by: Wah on October 29, 2015, 08:47:04 PM
That's Gamecube 1o1 right there!
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 29, 2015, 08:56:30 PM
I am on Steam. I first touched steam back in 2004!
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Post by: Wah on October 29, 2015, 09:05:58 PM
username?
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Post by: nickmitch on October 29, 2015, 09:20:04 PM
I don't know about cupholders, but it should definitely have a handle. That would come in handy in so many different situations.

Seriously, people made fun of the Gamecube, but that was one of its best features.  I remember seeing someone drop a PS2 and thinking "Nintendo really thought of everything except online".
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 30, 2015, 12:20:14 AM
username?

shyguy_site I'm part of the NWR group.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 30, 2015, 10:41:38 AM
I'm going to need to see some numbers on this...


Okay well Steam is near universal but I meant if you go into a store you will see tons of games on shelves for PS4 and Xbox One and know they are still getting support, if you don't see games on shelves for Wii U you are no going to think to ask about the digital store. If all the games are on the digital store, there needs to be a way to let people know about that. Maybe publish an eshop Christmas catalog or something?
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Post by: Wah on November 01, 2015, 06:13:40 PM
when my internet comes back I'll join the steam group!
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Post by: nickmitch on May 13, 2017, 12:39:36 PM
Gonna bump this thread because NoA might've just tweeted (https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/863272610926387200) an E3 spoiler.

(http://i.imgur.com/YLsaP5p.jpg)
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Post by: Shaymin on May 13, 2017, 01:38:17 PM
The size of the font is noticeably different between the two parts of the title, so I suspect either someone needs to lern2shop or all pre-Awakening FEs are now rebadged "Fire Emblem Echoes".
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Post by: Evan_B on May 13, 2017, 01:59:54 PM
Well it is on the Nintendo of America twitter.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2017, 05:54:23 PM
My Thread LIVES!!!!

so is there any juicy Nintendo rumors? What are we expecting out of E3? when exactly is it?
Is the pic above supposed support some rumor for a Fire Emblem game for Switch or something?
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Post by: King of Twitch on May 13, 2017, 06:24:55 PM
Deus Ex, Unreal composer working at Retro Studios http://nintendoeverything.com/?p=484212

But their Twitter feed is infuriatingly silent.
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Post by: Stratos on May 13, 2017, 06:30:36 PM
That would be my best guess. Maybe this will be the FE Switch game that was announced? I really want an original title, but I'll take this too.

As for other rumors, I'm just hearing the usual suspects (Smash Switch, Mario X Rabbids, Beyond Good & Evil 2)


Pokemon Stars on Switch has some compelling signs in the wild. Nintendo pulled the previous Direct from Youtube, which could indicate that they wanted to avoid confusion when they announce the new one (they only ever do this before announcing a new version of an already released Pokemon game). Also, the Official Direct page on Nintendo's website has changed to have an open spot, which happens when a new Direct is imminent.

We should start an E3 Prediction Pool.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 13, 2017, 06:41:26 PM
My Thread LIVES!!!!

so is there any juicy Nintendo rumors? What are we expecting out of E3? when exactly is it?
Is the pic above supposed support some rumor for a Fire Emblem game for Switch or something?

Pic is promoting a character thing in FE: Heroes, but references the game Ike is from a FE Echoes: Path of Radiance and not just FE: Path of Radiance, sparking some speculations.

Their E3 plans were also tweeted out:
(https://i.imgur.com/VRMDFES.png)
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Post by: Stratos on May 13, 2017, 07:19:55 PM
Interesting note, they are specific in stating this is a look at their 2017 titles. So anything expected to hit in 2018 (Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Switch, etc) may be excluded.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 13, 2017, 07:36:53 PM
Yeah, there was some nerd rage over that on twitter when it was posted.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2017, 03:12:06 AM
Are there any rumors or anything about Nintendo adopting VR with the Switch?

it is absolutely perfect to be a market leader for the tech.

they already have the display and the controllers in the peoples hands. just need the the headset to attach the device to and BAM instant potential largest gaming install base (excluding cellphones and basic free-ware micro-transaction games.)
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Post by: Evan_B on May 14, 2017, 03:26:17 AM
But Xenoblade 2 is coming this year. They... *snort* confirmed it at the first Switch reveal conference. *snigger*
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Post by: Order.RSS on May 14, 2017, 09:22:12 AM
Are there any rumors or anything about Nintendo adopting VR with the Switch?

it is absolutely perfect to be a market leader for the tech.

they already have the display and the controllers in the peoples hands. just need the the headset to attach the device to and BAM instant potential largest gaming install base (excluding cellphones and basic free-ware micro-transaction games.)

I'd wager Ninty aren't very inclined to give a VR a second chance after the Virtual Boy. Sure times have changed, but VR is still pretty expensive, has no real must-haves besides Resident Evil 7, and I'm not sure if the motion sickness thing has been solved yet?

There's surely some Switch owners who would like to try VR, but I get the feeling the technology hasn't really taken off yet. Also you gotta wonder how many of Nintendo's core audience would really be down for VR, I mean this is a company that still hasn't really figured out online stuff and its audience (begrudgingly?) accepts that.

But it's a neat idea yeah, and I wouldn't mind being wrong on this!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2017, 11:30:34 AM
But we already have the screen and the independent controllers.
If they released the head hear (the cheapest part of the equation) along side maybe Metroid Re-Primed, released an MK8 patch for first person driving, and a patch for Minecraft: Mario Edition, how could it fail?

I mean, it's a low risk add-on, or what is currently a niche market, but one that seems to be gaining traction, and they already have all the key components getting into consumers hands as we speak.
I figure by next summer, they would have a large install base ready for the next step, and maybe offering the headgear as part of a bundle next Xmas will surely be an enticing offer.

I mean I've only done 1 VR demo, and it was just watch only, but it was pretty damn cool, and would have been awesome if I could control what I was doing. I would love to see Nintendo revisit the idea now that we have the tech in our hands to do it right... and cheaply.

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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 14, 2017, 01:15:20 PM
I don't know why this Switch VR idea keeps coming up. The unit is isn't nearly strong/hi-res enough to render any VR stuff on par with competitors, plus the tablet is way too big to slot into a head mounted display. It's not going to happen with the current system. And that's okay!

In general, the VR market seems to be under-performing, and investment is drawing off: http://about.crunchbase.com/news/despite-hype-vr-investment-fades-q1-2017/
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Post by: nickmitch on May 14, 2017, 02:01:47 PM
Not only that, but there'd be no motion controls in the headset unless you bought a second set of Joy Con. So, you'd really just be gluing a screen on your face to make it look bigger.  You couldn't really "look" around the world you were in.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2017, 02:11:36 PM
oh, well... I dont' know the specifics on the tech, it just looked like something viable, as the only thing it looked like it was missing was the headpiece (which could house it's own motion controls, which would probably "justify" the price they would charge for the thing....)

But maybe in the next iteration of Switch2.0, should the interest still be there, or a killer-app idea happens to motivate Nintendo to move on it.

But I've mostly checked out on Swtich news for a while, and just these last few weeks, i bought my daughter (4yrs old) Super Mario Run on her tablet, she became obsessed... so then she dusted off the Wii U and has been playing SMB3D non-stop, and together we got all the way to the last level (I've never beat the game... I'm actually farther with her now, than I got when I was playing by myself).
so long story short, my interest in picking back up the controller has resurfaced and now I'm actively trying to get caught up so that I can probably pick up a Switch in the near future (probably post summertime when supply is stocked and games choices are plentiful).
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Post by: Evan_B on May 14, 2017, 04:13:13 PM
Pokemon Stars is never happening, by the way. Not on Switch.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 14, 2017, 04:31:03 PM
I kinda wish they would go back to the 3rd version.  The Zygarde thing in SuMo felt forced.  Like they just had to do something with that legendary.
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Post by: Adrock on May 14, 2017, 07:18:42 PM
So when the inevitable smaller Switch model is announced, should we expect Nintendo to name it Lite Switch?
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 09, 2017, 08:24:44 PM
RUMORS!

Mario Odyssey November 17th

Xenoblade 2 pushed BACK to February 2018!

DIFFERENT RUMORS

Tokyo Mirage session port!

New! Sin and Punishment: Angels Ascent!
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 09, 2017, 11:28:12 PM
We need a new Metroid.
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Post by: Khushrenada on June 10, 2017, 12:13:12 AM
Too bad! You'll take your Sin & Punishment and you'll like it!
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Post by: Luigi Dude on June 10, 2017, 01:59:45 AM
Too bad! You'll take your Sin & Punishment and you'll like it!

Sin and Punishment: Star Successor is the greatest On-Rails shooter ever made and one of the pinnacles of action gaming.  So yeah, everybody better be excited for a new one.

Of course the Sin & Punishment rumor comes from 4chan so I wouldn't put the most stock in it.  Yeah they have had quite a few correct rumors over the last year including the January Switch reveal but more often then not many of the rumors from that place are still fake.

Still I'd hope the rumor is true since a new Sin and Punishment would be awesome, especially since the rumor mention it looks like Platinum is developing it.  Considering Treasure doesn't develop games anymore Platinum would be the best choice to continue the series since after the way Star Successor ended, they're the only studio capable of even trying to top it.
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Post by: Order.RSS on June 11, 2017, 04:28:35 PM
Ooooooooohhhh a possible new Sin & Punishment?
Switch must-buy status intensifies
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Post by: Stratos on June 11, 2017, 06:25:08 PM
Wait, why isn't Treasure making games anymore?
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Post by: Khushrenada on June 11, 2017, 07:21:10 PM
Because you didn't buy them.
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Post by: Stratos on June 11, 2017, 07:28:39 PM
I own both Sin & Punishment games and their titles that were on the VC. I buy them alright, I just never play them. S&P2 is still in the shrink wrap.
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Post by: Khushrenada on June 11, 2017, 07:37:48 PM
Did you buy Wario World, Mischief Makers, Gunstar Super Heroes, Ikaruga, Sin and Punishment 64?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2017, 07:59:25 PM
Did you buy Wario World, Mischief Makers, Gunstar Super Heroes, Ikaruga, Sin and Punishment 64?

no, yes, no, yes, and maybe...?

was there a sin & punishment on the GC?
because i owned one of them, just can't remember which system.
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Post by: Stratos on June 11, 2017, 08:06:49 PM
No, Borrowed from friend, yes, no, yes
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Post by: Mop it up on June 11, 2017, 08:21:17 PM
Did you buy Wario World, Mischief Makers, Gunstar Super Heroes, Ikaruga, Sin and Punishment 64?
Yes, yes, no, no, yes (VC).
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2017, 11:32:54 PM
A new Sin & Punishment would be really cool.  But the Wii game didn't sell very well so Nintendo to still release games in that series while neglecting Metroid and F-Zero, which get flack for not selling well enough but clearly outsell Sin & Punishment, is kind of bullshit.  They can't keep niche franchises going while making excuses to not continue much more popular franchises.
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Post by: Khushrenada on June 12, 2017, 12:36:08 AM
Yes, no, no, yes, no (although I've always meant to)


Well, there you have it. 5 games and 9 confirmed sales and a 2 extra sale possibilty. No wonder they aren't making games anymore. You had your chance to support them and you failed.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on June 12, 2017, 01:37:36 AM
A new Sin & Punishment would be really cool.  But the Wii game didn't sell very well so Nintendo to still release games in that series while neglecting Metroid and F-Zero, which get flack for not selling well enough but clearly outsell Sin & Punishment, is kind of bullshit.  They can't keep niche franchises going while making excuses to not continue much more popular franchises.

If Sin and Punishment is being made by Platinum then it makes perfect sense.  If after working on Star Fox Zero, Nintendo wanted Platinum to work on another series then Sin and Punishment would be the perfect choice for them since Platinum is the best action studio in the industry and Sin and Punishment is the most hardcore action IP Nintendo has.

Plus who's to say there isn't a new Metroid or F-Zero in development?  There's a lot of studio's in the industry, just because someone like Platinum might be working on Sin and Punishment doesn't mean someone else, who would you know, be more qualified to handle the type of games Metroid and F-Zero are be working on them.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 12, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
Well, we know Nintendo wouldn't have someone more qualified working on Metroid, so we can assume no one's working on it.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 13, 2017, 01:56:37 PM
Nintendo has a lot of stuff they haven't brought to the Switch yet

Animal Crossing
F-Zero (lol)
Paper Mario
Smash Bros
Donkey Kong
Mario Party
Pilot Wings...
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Post by: Mop it up on June 13, 2017, 02:04:46 PM
Nintendo has a lot of stuff they haven't brought to the Switch yet

Animal Crossing
F-Zero (lol)
Paper Mario
Smash Bros
Donkey Kong
Mario Party
Pilot Wings...
Advance Wars...
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Post by: lolmonade on June 13, 2017, 02:05:04 PM
Nintendo has a lot of stuff they haven't brought to the Switch yet

Animal Crossing
F-Zero (lol)
Paper Mario
Smash Bros
Donkey Kong
Mario Party
Pilot Wings...


 :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: Khushrenada on June 13, 2017, 02:05:35 PM
Where was Sin & Punishment?!?! I didn't expect that rumor to come true. Sales just aren't there for S&P. It seemed like a longshot that came out of nowhere.
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Post by: King of Twitch on June 13, 2017, 02:05:47 PM
:-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: King of Twitch on June 13, 2017, 02:10:02 PM
Where was Sin & Punishment?!?!

Didn't you see Reggie's muscles
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Post by: Khushrenada on June 13, 2017, 02:13:29 PM
Oh yeah. Left arm is Sin and right arm is Punishment.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 13, 2017, 02:43:18 PM
Well, we know Nintendo wouldn't have someone more qualified working on Metroid, so we can assume no one's working on it.

Look at you now, ya idiot!
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 14, 2017, 02:03:16 AM
Nintendo has a lot of stuff they haven't brought to the Switch yet

Animal Crossing
F-Zero (lol)
Paper Mario
Smash Bros
Donkey Kong
Mario Party
Pilot Wings...
Advance Wars...

And Warioware and Mario Maker and Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion and Star Fox (lol)
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Post by: King of Twitch on June 14, 2017, 01:11:42 PM
Another goose egg for Star Tropics and Earthbound
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 14, 2017, 04:01:46 PM
WHAT is Retro doing???
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Post by: KeyBilly on June 14, 2017, 04:20:05 PM
I don't like to think of Retro doing another Donkey Kong at the cost of their own passions, but they are so good at it that it would be nice.  They seem to be good at making pretty much any sort of game and are being used for technical support in games like Mario Kart, so I guess what they are doing is making Nintendo games better.
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Post by: that Baby guy on June 15, 2017, 07:15:03 AM
I think the current rumor is that Retro is working on a Mario Party spin-off featuring Donkey Kong.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 15, 2017, 10:59:41 AM
That could actually be pretty fun, especially if there was an emphasis on rhythm using two joy-con for drumming.
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Post by: Stratos on June 15, 2017, 02:36:17 PM
I'm thinking a sequel to DK's Bongo Blast would be a better fit for the Switch.
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Post by: Khushrenada on June 15, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
DK Bongo Battle! Defeat your friends with your mad bongo skillz. Story mode included with final boss Ravi.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 15, 2017, 11:10:54 PM
Gotta be a 2018 game cuz Zelda already has GOTY.
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Post by: Order.RSS on June 16, 2017, 11:27:00 AM
In regards to Retro, Tropical Freeze was 2014, DKCR was 4 years earlier, Prime 3 was 3 years before that. We know that they've also worked on Mario Kart 7 (and the 3DS port of DKCR?) between DKC titles... So if they've maybe done a lot of work helping out other projects, it's not rrrrreally that strange to go 3 years without a new game from them.

Was kinda hoping we would've found out by now, but if they've hit some development SNAFUs as well or maybe canned/reworked an entire project some way into development... Could see why. All speculation of course, maybe they've just been trying to open a bbq place.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 16, 2017, 09:22:53 PM
The 3DS port of DKCR was handled by Monster Games.

Tropical Freeze was ready to go for November 2013, but they pushed it to February 2014 just to spread out releases. It's practically a 2013 game, since at least they wrapped up work on it in 2013.
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Post by: King of Twitch on June 16, 2017, 09:25:33 PM
Maybe they're making Boyhood: The Game.
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Post by: Khushrenada on June 16, 2017, 10:02:52 PM
Wii Sports 3. The switch from standard rumble to HD rumble has really increased the development time of games.
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Post by: Stratos on June 16, 2017, 10:27:54 PM
Promised that I would post the Monster Hunter rumor so here it is (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1302699).


Gist is that Sony paid for exclusive MH5, contract explicitly forbids a Switch version, doesn't care about XBox and PC.


Detailed all of the things revealed in Monster Hunter World such as open worlds and more "western friendly" gameplay.


But allegedly Capcom is kicking themselves now due to Switch's success and so they are reviving the "Monster Hunter Portable" series with the primary MonHun dev team and that will be considered the true mainline MonHun sequel (MonHun5).


Seems a bit out there, but this "leak" did predict the name of Double Cross (XX) and the multiplat Monster Hunter World, so the rest doesn't seem as far-fetched anymore.


Interesting times for Monster Hunter fans. I'm confident we will see Double Cross in the west at some point, but they didn't want it to overshadow this MonHun World reveal at E3.
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Post by: Wanderlei on June 17, 2017, 01:50:57 AM
Promised that I would post the Monster Hunter rumor so here it is (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1302699).


Gist is that Sony paid for exclusive MH5, contract explicitly forbids a Switch version, doesn't care about XBox and PC.


Detailed all of the things revealed in Monster Hunter World such as open worlds and more "western friendly" gameplay.


But allegedly Capcom is kicking themselves now due to Switch's success and so they are reviving the "Monster Hunter Portable" series with the primary MonHun dev team and that will be considered the true mainline MonHun sequel (MonHun5).


Seems a bit out there, but this "leak" did predict the name of Double Cross (XX) and the multiplat Monster Hunter World, so the rest doesn't seem as far-fetched anymore.


Interesting times for Monster Hunter fans. I'm confident we will see Double Cross in the west at some point, but they didn't want it to overshadow this MonHun World reveal at E3.


I hope this blows up in their face. Gonna cost them way more to produce this westernized MH game and its gonna sell way less than past 3DS games.


I not really interested in new westernized MH myself but it seems insane for them to not include Switch so Nintendo player can migrate to new game. Hopefully they decide 'world' is just a side game and make portable the true MH5.
 
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Post by: Stratos on June 17, 2017, 01:39:15 PM
If I don't hear anything about Double Cross coming the the US by the end of the year I plan on downloading the Japanese version off the Switch eShop. I already wanted to learn Japanese so this could be a fun way to do so.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 17, 2017, 10:16:50 PM
Rumor has it that now since Microsoft and Nintendo have crossplay for Minecraft the Goldeneye project is back on. Microsoft had pretty much fully developed an enhanced port of Goldeneye for xbox 360, but never released it because Nintendo, Activision, and Microsoft couldn't get on the same page. I believe MS and activision were on board but Nintendo wasn't.

We probably didn't see it at e3 because they wanted to take the time to make it will look like a next gen game.

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Post by: King of Twitch on June 17, 2017, 10:21:39 PM
That is a beauty. Would love to play that.
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Post by: Stratos on June 18, 2017, 06:24:51 PM
I thought it was actually MGM that ruined everyones fun. Reggie had said he would love to see this on Nintendo systems too, but "other players with a stake in the game" had to be considered".
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Post by: Shaymin on June 18, 2017, 07:59:38 PM
And guess who owns the Bond franchise now?

(Sony.)
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Post by: ThePerm on June 19, 2017, 04:49:28 AM
Sony has been more closed recently about licenses. Actually, it could get quite tricky on who owns Bond. Eon owns the Bond film rights and licenses it out to MGM for movies. MGM was owned by Sony, but that isn't the case anymore. Some complex bankruptcy stuff happened.

So, to get more complicated. James Bond is a book series. As such the company IFP can license out Bond to video games based off of the books instead of the movies. Think the Hobbit for Gamecube. MGM made the majority of the movies where we would get out derivative content. And also now owns the movies they didn't make.

according to Eon's wikipedia page.

"The video rights for all of Eon's films are owned by MGM Home Entertainment, and are controlled by MGM's distributor 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment. Sony Pictures Home Entertainment initially assumed the video rights to Casino Royale, but the 2012 home video editions of this film were issued by MGM and 20th Century Fox."

according to the New York Times Sony's rights to the movie expired in 2015.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/business/media/james-bond-sony-mgm-eon-productions.html

 As of April several companies have been courting MGM, but I can't find any news since that time.

If I were to guess whose going to buy bond? Disney. If I were MGM I would think I would probably make the most money off of Disney. After the initial rights sell off I would Imagine I still retain a cut of the later profits. The company to make the most profits is going to be Disney. Also, Disney would be smart enough to plan their films so they don't compete.

Otherwise it's going to be Star Wars vs Bond at the box office. Or Avengers vs Bond.
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2017, 01:03:31 PM
I wonder if they could remake Goldeneye by keeping the level layouts and objectives the same but changing the characters and story as needed to make it a port without the James Bond licence.  Back in the day the devs of Wonder Boy wanted to port that game to the NES but Sega owned the rights to the Wonder Boy character.  So to get around it the devs made Adventure Island which is literally the same game but with different characters.  A later Wonder Boy title got ported to the TG16 as the Dynastic Hero using the same workaround.

So if Rare owns the rights to the gameplay and level design of Goldeneye could they release a modern remake of it with generic characters?  Maybe refashion it into a Perfect Dark game?  Though MS (probably rightly) may assume that without the Goldeneye name the game won't attract enough attention.  It may be difficult to let fans know that this is actually Goldeneye *wink* *wink*.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 19, 2017, 01:53:37 PM
You could always call it a "spiritual successor *wink* *wink*".
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Post by: King of Twitch on June 19, 2017, 04:56:08 PM
The bummer is that the soul would be sucked right out of it. When I noticed in the above vid that the enemy faces were changed and Dr Doak was changed to Dr Rakhmanov, it felt kinda funny in my gut. Would I still pay top dolla for it? I think so. Maybe?
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Post by: ThePerm on June 19, 2017, 07:49:11 PM
There are some multiplayer Goldeneye levels in Perfect Dark. I wouldn't mind a British spy game with original characters and missions. They could get real weird with them.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 28, 2017, 10:07:43 AM
Cacpom is finally letting loose with the Switch games.

https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/890919984301449216

Screw your tests Capcom! The Disney Afternoon and Megaman collections should have been day and date!
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Post by: Adrock on July 28, 2017, 10:52:33 AM
I'd buy Resident Evil 4 for the third time.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 28, 2017, 12:00:25 PM
RE4 portable (not the mobile ****) would be great. I already bought it for GameCube, Wii and PS4...what's another copy?
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Post by: ThePerm on July 28, 2017, 12:26:22 PM
I just recently bought the majority of the re series on ps4. My only problem with the ps4 version  is the controls. The best version  for controls for me is still the Gamecube version.
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Post by: Adrock on July 28, 2017, 12:49:12 PM
RE4 portable (not the mobile ****) would be great. I already bought it for GameCube, Wii and PS4...what's another copy?
Probably $40 with the Switch tax. I'd gladly pay that for one of the best games ever made.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 28, 2017, 03:41:35 PM
I could see myself getting RE4 again too.

Are we getting the second Mega Man collection?
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Post by: Mop it up on July 28, 2017, 04:56:02 PM
I want Mega Man Collection Collection, a collection of the various Mega Man collections.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 28, 2017, 06:23:53 PM
Collector's edition.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 28, 2017, 07:43:00 PM
I'll pay $40 for another edition of Resident Evil 4 and be ashamed of myself.
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Post by: Stratos on July 28, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
Does anyone have a list of titles likely to be a part of this series of releases? Hoping for the Disney Afternoon collection along with some actual discussion on Monster Hunter Double Cross.
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Post by: Khushrenada on July 28, 2017, 08:57:24 PM
I'm kind of amazed SFII sold 450,000 units myself. How is the Switch becoming such a software sales beast? Is it the small selection still facing the millions of owners at the moment?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 28, 2017, 09:37:03 PM
Yeah that's over a 10% attach rate for USFII, pretty great for a 3rd party game...especially one that's 25 years old.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 29, 2017, 11:45:37 AM
I'm kind of amazed SFII sold 450,000 units myself. How is the Switch becoming such a software sales beast? Is it the small selection still facing the millions of owners at the moment?

It's because it's the hybrid system people have dreamed about Nitnendo making for years, combined with an incredible strong first party lineup.  Nintendo is selling to a large portion of the general gaming public which want Zelda and Mario Kart, but the hybrid nature makes it very tempting to pick up a lot of other titles as well.  Street Fight 2 is an iconic game and I imagine having the ability to play it on the go but still able to play on the big screen with friends is very tempting especially to older nostagic gamers which Nintendo systems usually do pretty well with.

This is why I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of major third party titles do better then expected since the hybrid nature of the Switch brings a whole new element to the system, especially to older gamers who don't have the time anymore to spend hours just sitting in front of the TV because of family and work, but still want that option when they do have time.
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Post by: lolmonade on July 31, 2017, 12:24:15 PM
The cynic in me thinks it's more a vacuum of compelling first party titles outside of Zelda and familiarity with Street Fighter 2 as a brand name.


Granted, that comes from someone who reluctantly bought Mariokart 8 Deluxe, was disappointed a bit with Arms, and can't justify buying Splatoon 2 when I ended up putting the original down and never picking it back up after a few weeks of playing.


Bomberman R got surprisingly good numbers too, if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 31, 2017, 04:13:53 PM
I don't think it's cynical to say that SFII was a genre Nintendo wasn't covering at launch and is a brand name.  Those are just clean facts.  Same with Bomberman R.
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Post by: Agent-X- on August 06, 2017, 11:46:12 AM
No, but it is cynical to conclude that SF2, or any other game for that matter, sold well for lack of other compelling games. While I even think that could be partially true for the launch window releases, it's just such a tired argument that has been played to death by Switch skeptics. Every title that has had strong sells on the Switch can't be because there aren't any other games--there's too many games selling well for that argument to not sound ridiculous! It's time to give in and admit that Nintendo, for now at least, has a very successful new platform with a very bright future for at least the next couple of years.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 06, 2017, 10:17:45 PM
So the first batch of new Capcom support comes in the form of Resident Evil Revelaitons 1 & 2 on Switch (after the PS4 and Xbone versions, since this was a recent decision)...hopefully we get RE7 and the RE2 remake that apparently has been in development for PS4 for a while now.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2017, 12:01:25 AM
So the first batch of new Capcom support comes in the form of Resident Evil Revelaitons 1 & 2 on Switch (after the PS4 and Xbone versions, since this was a recent decision)...hopefully we get RE7 and the RE2 remake that apparently has been in development for PS4 for a while now.

I'll jump in when Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite (or whatever it was subtitled) gets announced as well.
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 07, 2017, 01:16:19 AM
By this time on the Wii U pretty much every third party was scaling back support because the first sales figures were so poor.  Here we have a third party increasing support because they're so impressed of how well their game sold!  We should be thrilled about this.  I suspect that Ultra Street Fighter II benefited a lot from being a decent game among a small lineup of Switch launch titles.  But does it really matter since Capcom's happy?  I thought this game was getting into Mass Effect 3 territory as a poison pill title guaranteed to not sell since it's pretty much a port of Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix, which is a last gen download release that costs half as much.  Well we dodged that bullet and that's great.

And we should also be happy that games like Street Fighter and Bomberman have sold well because it means that the Switch isn't only attracting the Nintendo-only crowd.  The industry constantly accuses Nintendo fans of buying first party titles and nothing else.  Well even if that's true (personally I don't think it is; much of the rep comes from third parties dumping shovelware on the Wii and then whining when no one justifiably bought it) then at least we know that the Switch is attracting gamers beyond just that fanbase.  It's not just people buying Zelda and then Mario Kart and then Splatoon with no interest in anything else.

If anything there's a selling point here for all Switch titles.  Maybe Capcom stumbled into a money concept - portable Street Fighter II uncompromised.  If Nintendo is smart they should emphasize that to third parties.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2017, 01:32:16 AM
If anything there's a selling point here for all Switch titles.  Maybe Capcom stumbled into a money concept - portable Street Fighter II uncompromised.  If Nintendo is smart they should emphasize that to third parties.

All the games you've EVER loved on the GO, and at HOME!!

Switch it ON, Switch it OUT, Switch it UP.
.......(Nintendo)


you're welcome Nintendo. just did your marketing for you. mail me the check plz.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 07, 2017, 09:05:02 AM
Ian being the non-cynic in a thread currently discussing an influx of support from Capcom is cray.
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Post by: Adrock on August 07, 2017, 10:00:01 AM
Ian being the non-cynic in a thread currently discussing an influx of support from Capcom is cray.
It's comforting to know we aren't in the darkest timeline.
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Post by: lolmonade on August 07, 2017, 10:19:00 AM
So the first batch of new Capcom support comes in the form of Resident Evil Revelaitons 1 & 2 on Switch (after the PS4 and Xbone versions, since this was a recent decision)...hopefully we get RE7 and the RE2 remake that apparently has been in development for PS4 for a while now.

I'll jump in when Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite (or whatever it was subtitled) gets announced as well.


I understand some people came out and said it was a bad slice of the game, but man, have you played the post-E3 Demo?  I love me some MvC, and I just did not like the way that game demo played.
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Post by: lolmonade on August 07, 2017, 10:24:12 AM
If anything there's a selling point here for all Switch titles.  Maybe Capcom stumbled into a money concept - portable Street Fighter II uncompromised.  If Nintendo is smart they should emphasize that to third parties.


I wouldn't call it uncompromised (D-Pad control missing is a big no-no for me, personally), but an overpriced port of a wildly popular game on an ecosystem that currently had NO 2D fighters was probably a smart play on Capcom's part.


And if it means ANY additional support, even if it's just the megaman collections, Disney Afternoon Collection, or smaller projects, it's better than having another generation with a console drought.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2017, 09:16:32 PM
So the first batch of new Capcom support comes in the form of Resident Evil Revelaitons 1 & 2 on Switch (after the PS4 and Xbone versions, since this was a recent decision)...hopefully we get RE7 and the RE2 remake that apparently has been in development for PS4 for a while now.

I'll jump in when Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite (or whatever it was subtitled) gets announced as well.


I understand some people came out and said it was a bad slice of the game, but man, have you played the post-E3 Demo?  I love me some MvC, and I just did not like the way that game demo played.

I've seen pics, but no video's... if they fucked up the game, that is very disappointing, as I've been waiting on a MvC game on a Nintendo platform for waaaay too long. I don't have a Switch yet, and barely take a passing interest at VG news lately, but I know I'm gonna jump in before the year is over (Xmas present to me and my daughter from Santa ;) what a swell guy. lol) so I'm really hoping for about 4-5 games I really want to play at purchase, and about 3-4 more to look forward to shortly after that.
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Post by: Stratos on August 07, 2017, 09:31:36 PM
Wasn't the last MvC game for Ninty fans on the Wii? It has been a while.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 07, 2017, 11:34:29 PM
There's never been a Marvel vs Capcom game on any Nintendo console. Wii had Tatsunoku vs Capcom All Stars and GameCube had SNK vs Capcom
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Post by: nickmitch on August 08, 2017, 09:45:06 AM
So, it sounds like the Switch would, oddly enough, be better off with a port of last gen's MvC.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 08, 2017, 09:50:20 AM
So, it sounds like the Switch would, oddly enough, be better off with a port of last gen's MvC.

But they can't port it as it has X-Men and probably F4 characters in it. Disney/Marvel has cracked down on the licensing of non MCU related/accessible Marvel characters for games due to marketing reasons.
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Post by: lolmonade on August 08, 2017, 10:49:20 AM
So the first batch of new Capcom support comes in the form of Resident Evil Revelaitons 1 & 2 on Switch (after the PS4 and Xbone versions, since this was a recent decision)...hopefully we get RE7 and the RE2 remake that apparently has been in development for PS4 for a while now.

I'll jump in when Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite (or whatever it was subtitled) gets announced as well.


I understand some people came out and said it was a bad slice of the game, but man, have you played the post-E3 Demo?  I love me some MvC, and I just did not like the way that game demo played.

I've seen pics, but no video's... if they fucked up the game, that is very disappointing, as I've been waiting on a MvC game on a Nintendo platform for waaaay too long. I don't have a Switch yet, and barely take a passing interest at VG news lately, but I know I'm gonna jump in before the year is over (Xmas present to me and my daughter from Santa ;) what a swell guy. lol) so I'm really hoping for about 4-5 games I really want to play at purchase, and about 3-4 more to look forward to shortly after that.


For what it's worth, Giantbomb folks seem to have gotten some hands-on time with the game proper in its current state, and seem more or less positive on it.  Again, the demo may have been a bad demo (it pushes you through a slice of the story mode where you are forced to play as certain characters).


There's also been some controversy over how bad some of the character's faces look in comparison to other renditions of themselves, but 1) Capcom has already stated they're working to patch fixes to the issue, and 2) with how fast paced the game is, I suspect it's not really noticeable unless you're deliberately stopping movement to look at it.


Not to suggest it's acceptable the character's design looks that bad, but i'm not surprised if Capcom thought they could shortcut that and get away with it, given the general speed of the game.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 08, 2017, 12:35:10 PM
So, it sounds like the Switch would, oddly enough, be better off with a port of last gen's MvC.

But they can't port it as it has X-Men and probably F4 characters in it. Disney/Marvel has cracked down on the licensing of non MCU related/accessible Marvel characters for games due to marketing reasons.

Oh damn.  That really sucks.
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Post by: Ian Sane on August 08, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
So, it sounds like the Switch would, oddly enough, be better off with a port of last gen's MvC.

But they can't port it as it has X-Men and probably F4 characters in it. Disney/Marvel has cracked down on the licensing of non MCU related/accessible Marvel characters for games due to marketing reasons.

This is the stupidest bullshit imaginable.  Oh no, someone else may indirectly make money because our game, which those people will get no money for, may remind people that someone else is making movies with our licences... which unless we made the stupidest deal ever should also make us some money.  I swear every company big enough that all the employees don't know each other's names is run by morons.  This would be like Nintendo holding off on Zelda games for a bit to sabotage those CD-i games.
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Post by: Khushrenada on August 08, 2017, 08:30:30 PM
Hey now! Morons run small companies too! Quit limiting incompetence.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 08, 2017, 09:14:27 PM
So, it sounds like the Switch would, oddly enough, be better off with a port of last gen's MvC.

But they can't port it as it has X-Men and probably F4 characters in it. Disney/Marvel has cracked down on the licensing of non MCU related/accessible Marvel characters for games due to marketing reasons.

This is the stupidest bullshit imaginable.  Oh no, someone else may indirectly make money because our game, which those people will get no money for, may remind people that someone else is making movies with our licences... which unless we made the stupidest deal ever should also make us some money.  I swear every company big enough that all the employees don't know each other's names is run by morons.  This would be like Nintendo holding off on Zelda games for a bit to sabotage those CD-i games.

While on the surface I do agree with you, because I want all the characters regardless of the stupid deals they made 25 years ago....
But i also understand that they are trying to starve them out in hopes that they get no boost from the popularity of Marvel Comics/Movies/TV or the connection to and marketing of the Disney Machine. Marvel gets a cut of the Fox X-Men/F4 movies and TV shows, and Marvel is also in control of the merchandise (which Fox get's a piece of as well), but Marvel ain't producing any X or F4 related comics, merchandise, cartoons, games, etc etc. at the moment.
I think some mobile games even had to remove some characters while other can keep what they've had, but can not add any new versions or characters from the X/F4 franchises.

But like I said, I don't agree with it, but I understand what they are trying to accomplish.
Personally, I think they should just pony up the cash and buy the studios, gut them for their own franchises and then set them free on the open market, but I'm sure that's not cost effective.

Or work out something with Fox for F4 rights, and in exchange make merchandise, games and new comics for X-Men related crap, also help produce more X-related TV shows.

I can't say that I don't care how they work it out, but they need to work something out so that I can get my MvC: Ultimate Edition on a Nintendo system please. With ALL the relevant Marvel Characters please.
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Post by: ThePerm on August 09, 2017, 12:43:20 AM
On the other hand Nintendo has handled it's franchises and licenses with care. They only fucked up in the early 90s, and learned their lesson. cdi-zelda, cdi-mario, mario bros movie. Those are the only **** ups. Everything else since then has been good.

Marvel fucked up decades ago.
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Post by: Adrock on August 09, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
Or work out something with Fox for F4 rights, and in exchange make merchandise, games and new comics for X-Men related crap, also help produce more X-related TV shows.
Marvel cancelled Fantastic Four two years ago so it isn't fucking around. I wish it was as easy as tossing money at Fox to relinquish the rights to at least Fantastic Four. I'm not a big Fantastic Four fan, but I want Marvel to get the rights to Galactus. I was under the impression that Fox just isn't willing to play ball. It made Fant-four-stic to build its own shared universe with X-Men which obviously didn't work out for the studio. Fox seems only willing to deal with Marvel when it can benefit (e.g. trading the film rights to Ego the Living Planet for permission to change Negasonic Teenage Warhead). That ultimately sucks for everyone including Fox because it has made more shitty movies than good ones. And as long as the shitty movies are profitable, those rights aren't going anywhere.
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I can't say that I don't care how they work it out, but they need to work something out so that I can get my MvC: Ultimate Edition on a Nintendo system please. With ALL the relevant Marvel Characters please.
That's the goal. It's a shame Marvel and Fox can't figure this out. I find myself in a tough position. I want all Marvel properties returned to Marvel because Marvel Studios has proven time and again that it can make great movies and shows consistently with very few duds (looking at you Iron Fist). The problem is that it often forces me to hope Fox shits the bed. I'm torn between wanting good movies but kind of hoping they fail at the same time. It's great that Deadpool was a hit, but it also encourages Fox to hold onto the rights. It won't sell the properties until it feels like it can't make money on them.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on August 09, 2017, 11:54:52 PM
I actually think it's to Marvel's accidental benefit that they don't have the rights to a bunch of stuff. It significantly reduces the comic book problem of "How is all this **** happening at the same time? Where is Thor when Magneto is trying to flip the poles?" Like, it currently wouldn't make sense if there were also hundreds of mutants running around in the MCU, and the Fantastic 4 would also be pretty redundant (_Another_ science tower in Manhattan?).
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Post by: Order.RSS on August 10, 2017, 06:30:51 PM
On the other hand Nintendo has handled it's franchises and licenses with care. They only fucked up in the early 90s, and learned their lesson. cdi-zelda, cdi-mario, mario bros movie. Those are the only **** ups. Everything else since then has been good.

Would like to add one more screw-up: when they handed Donkey Kong over to Adam Sandler & co. for that awful movie Pixels. Especially strange since they clearly know quality scripts when they see them, as evidenced by Bowser appearing in Wreck-It Ralph.
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Post by: Stratos on August 13, 2017, 05:24:00 AM
Allegedly Nintendo was a huge pain in the butt for Wreck it Ralph. They kept complaining Bowser wasn't large enough as they wanted him bigger than what would have been reasonable for the film.
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Post by: Khushrenada on August 13, 2017, 06:07:17 AM
Allegedly Nintendo was a huge pain in the butt for Wreck it Ralph. They kept complaining Bowser wasn't large enough as they wanted him bigger than what would have been reasonable for the film.

It's why Ridley didn't make it into the film either. Too big!
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Post by: Order.RSS on August 13, 2017, 12:14:54 PM
Definitely explains why Wreck-It Ralph jumped ship for Sonic Sega All Stars Racing afterwards!

Dr. Robotnik & Shadow confirmed for the movie sequel!
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Post by: ThePerm on August 13, 2017, 01:06:42 PM
On the other hand Nintendo has handled it's franchises and licenses with care. They only fucked up in the early 90s, and learned their lesson. cdi-zelda, cdi-mario, mario bros movie. Those are the only **** ups. Everything else since then has been good.

Would like to add one more screw-up: when they handed Donkey Kong over to Adam Sandler & co. for that awful movie Pixels. Especially strange since they clearly know quality scripts when they see them, as evidenced by Bowser appearing in Wreck-It Ralph.

Pixels isn't that bad. I've had to watch it repeatedly with nephews. I've seen worse movies.
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Post by: Order.RSS on August 14, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
Pixels isn't that bad. I've had to watch it repeatedly with nephews. I've seen worse movies.

Yeah you're right, it's just a rather lazy production. Basically all of the funny visual gags are cribbed from that YouTube video from years ago, like how Pong and Tetris slowly tear down buildings. The characters are all pretty annoying too, but you're right, there's thousands of way worse films out there. Like the Entourage movie haha.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 23, 2017, 11:03:21 PM
Game Cube controller now compatible with Switch

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 23, 2017, 11:23:04 PM
Nice! The Mayflash adapter used to work (without analog) and appeared as a Pokkén controller, but this is pretty awesome.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
Here are some (final?) rumors from NeoGAF

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-A sequel to a 3DS game is coming to Switch. Remember what was said about new character inclusion for Smash.

-Netflix (but not Hulu) are coming Q1. Announcement will be tied with a Netflix-produced show.

-Themes will arrive with a Dec. 25 update. Free if you own the game or amiibo.

-Metroid Prime 4 will have a subtitle that people know, Q4 at the earliest. First footage in January Direct.

-Little Mac was almost in ARMS. There's a reason he's not.

-A new spinoff is coming exclusively to the eShop using assets from a game already released

Anyone care to make guesses as to what the end product is these rumors are?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 24, 2017, 03:00:35 PM
Metroid Dread?
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Post by: azeke on October 24, 2017, 03:27:47 PM
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Metroid Prime 4 will have a subtitle that people know
Metroid Prime 4: Micheal Jordan

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A sequel to a 3DS game is coming to Switch.
Codename S.T.E.A.M. 2: STEAM Harder!

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Little Mac was almost in ARMS. There's a reason he's not
Punch-Out franchise was sold to EA last year.

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Netflix (but not Hulu) are coming Q1. Announcement will be tied with a Netflix-produced show.
Can't wait for gritty Urban Champion show.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 24, 2017, 05:13:16 PM
Well there were talks for a Zelda show on Netflix years ago.

http://ew.com/article/2015/03/24/nintendo-ceo-iwata-netflix-legend-of-zelda-series/ (http://ew.com/article/2015/03/24/nintendo-ceo-iwata-netflix-legend-of-zelda-series/)

If they were in early talks back in 2015, then maybe they finally reached a deal?  Especially after how huge Breath of the Wild became, maybe both sides decided this was the perfect time to act.  Netflix gets a series based on a recent popular property and Nintendo gets something to help keep the hype and legs going.

Not saying the rumors true but if it is, my money is on Zelda since it's something we officially know both sides have talked about in the past.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2017, 06:15:59 PM
Netflix is trying to invest $8Billy in original content. And there is no fear of Nintendo trying to take all their licensed content and starting their own streaming service. So sounds like a match to me.

I also heard something about the people that did the Castlevania series was interested in doing one for Metriod as well. 2 Nintendo Netflix original's to be announced with the Netflix streaming app Q1 2018!?

That could also tie in with the Metroid rumor as well.
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Post by: Phil on October 25, 2017, 01:24:45 AM
Those hints/rumors were made-up by the topic creator. (He said so in the same topic.) I doubt he wanted to post real rumors on a site he disapproved of so said site could get traffic and the owner of the said site could get ad revenue, so he made them up in his final topic before moving on from GAF.
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Post by: Wanderlei on October 25, 2017, 08:27:06 AM
I'd love them to do update to enable Wii U pro-controller. I might have to get one of those maytag dongles.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 25, 2017, 10:20:42 AM
Little Mac's arms are too short. That's obvious, you guys.

Edit:

-A sequel to a 3DS game is coming to Switch. Remember what was said about new character inclusion for Smash.

Pretty sure SMT V was already confirmed.
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Post by: Stratos on October 26, 2017, 10:15:13 PM
I'd love them to do update to enable Wii U pro-controller. I might have to get one of those maytag dongles.


I posted this elsewhere, but I'll share it here too. Adapter available for ~$25 (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B074JZPS39/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1) that lets you use the Wii U Pro Controller on a Switch.
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Post by: Evan_B on December 09, 2017, 11:10:27 PM
Whoa. Russia. Who knew?
I posted this elsewhere, but I'll share it here too. Adapter available for ~$25 (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B074JZPS39/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1) that lets you use the Wii U Pro Controller on a Switch.
As a staunch defender of the Wii U Pro Controller (and a huge fan of its 70 hour battery life) I will be taking advantage of this.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 10, 2018, 12:56:14 PM
What does it mean???

 (https://i.imgur.com/Ctfi2I8.jpg)

Does Chibi Robo need to be sacrificed like the Wicker man in order for the Direct to come to pass?
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Post by: nickmitch on January 10, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
Someone forgot to record the Nintendo Direct they also forgot to announce.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 10, 2018, 09:04:59 PM
Something is definitely happening. Nintendo is getting super weird on Twitter.
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Post by: Stratos on January 11, 2018, 12:33:21 AM
Something is definitely happening. Nintendo is getting super weird on Twitter.


I LOVE how everyone is getting in on it and all the fans are going nuts. Just a fun feeling. Even other game companies are tweeting burning versions of their characters. r/NintendoSwitch is off the wall.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 11, 2018, 11:18:57 AM
Well, the Direct was a le-down, but to be fair, Nintendo never even mentioned having one until they released the video.
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Post by: Soren on January 11, 2018, 12:30:58 PM
You drop a Direct Mini without announcing it and you get the Wii U ports, remasters and such out of the way before announcing the good stuff later on. Mario Tennis was just a teaser.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 11, 2018, 01:12:37 PM
To be fair, this is the kind of year I expect to follow a year with Mario and Zelda and Metroid all in one.
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Post by: Shaymin on January 11, 2018, 02:17:02 PM
Turns out Chibi-Robo was praising the sun.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 11, 2018, 03:39:24 PM
All of these games are out by May...I don't think it's really any indication of the whole year.
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Post by: Stratos on January 11, 2018, 06:42:15 PM
Not really disappointed. I'm pleased with the announcements. I like this stream of ports, as some of them I missed (Tropical Freeze) or never delved deeply into (Hyrule Warriors, hardly played and never bought DLC) so these will be nice additions to the console.


Do we know who is handling the Hyrule Warriors port? I'm hoping that we get a new wave of Fire Emblem DLC with some older characters.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 12, 2018, 08:23:36 AM
At least now we know what Retro's been working on.
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Post by: Adrock on January 12, 2018, 09:03:07 AM
At least now we know what Retro's been working on.
Are we sure Retro Studios is handling this port? Monster Games ported Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS and co-developed Tropical Freeze with Retro Studios. I'd expect Monster Games to be on port duty again.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 12, 2018, 10:10:37 AM
At least now we know what Retro's been working on.
:( :( :(
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Post by: nickmitch on January 12, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
At least now we know what Retro's been working on.
Are we sure Retro Studios is handling this port? Monster Games ported Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS and co-developed Tropical Freeze with Retro Studios. I'd expect Monster Games to be on port duty again.

I was mostly making a joke, but I assumed that because Funky Kong was added, the original team was involved.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 12, 2018, 07:15:56 PM
Retro hasn't released anything in almost four years now.  Surely they've been doing more than porting Tropical Freeze to the Switch during that time.

We know they're not working on Metroid Prime and I would figure if they were working on a new DKC it would probably be far enough along by now that Nintendo would tie it in to the Tropical Freeze port somehow, like a "port now - new game next year!" announcement or something like that.

I think the point of the Direct-mini and the focus mostly on ports and remakes is that people got Switches for Christmas and Nintendo is trying to keep the releases flowing (and ports are easy padding) and let new Switch owners know that stuff is coming in the near future.  The big announcements are for titles later in the year and 2019.  They don't need to reveal that stuff now.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on January 12, 2018, 07:27:49 PM
Yup, and if the release schedule for the back half of 2018 is underwhelming compared to 2017 (kind of inevitable), I'd imagine Nintendo would opportunistically rescind their latter day reveal strategies by making a bunch of early phase announcements at E3. Hell, they already felt the need with that Metroid Prime 4 logo.
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Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2018, 08:51:43 AM
Ridge Racer 8 Switch Exclusive Reportedly in Development by Bandai Namco Alongside First-Person Shooter Adventure Title – Rumor (https://wccftech.com/ridge-racer-8-switch-exclusive-metroid/)

If you’re too lazy to click the link, it cites the LinkedIn profile of Shawn Pitman, the lead designer at Bandai Namco Singapore, who mentions both an “Unannounced First Person Shooter/Adventure Exclusive to the Nintendo Switch” and “Ridge Racer 8 (Drift-based High Speed Car Racing Exclusive to the Nintendo Switch)” as projects he’s working on. Pitman has worked for Sony, Midway, and LucasArts. According to MobyGames, his past credits include Star Wars: The Force Unleashed and EverQuest.

Ridge Racer 8 is seemingly out of nowhere. The series has been largely dormant for several years save for a couple mobile games. The last main series installment, Ridge Racer 7, was released in 2006. Bringing it back exclusively on a successful platform with a dearth of comparable racing games makes sense. The other bit may be more interesting as people seem to be connecting it with Metroid Prime 4.

If true, it’s nice that Nintendo and Namco Bandai are continuing their close working relationship. I feel like it’s practically a given that the latter is also porting Super Smash Bros. for Wii U to Switch.
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Post by: Order.RSS on February 07, 2018, 03:13:52 PM
Still holding out for that R Racing: Evolution sequel though, the real Ridge Racer spin-off we all want and deserve!
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Post by: Shaymin on February 08, 2018, 12:09:01 AM
So they wait until Kaz retires before bringing back RIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER? Clever girl.

As for the shooter... since that's going to Next Level if there's a just/loving god, I'm skeptical.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 08, 2018, 09:58:13 AM
Bandai Namco DID give use Lost Reavers!
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Post by: Order.RSS on February 08, 2018, 10:14:01 AM
Bandai Namco DID give use Lost Reavers!

Which was a first-time effort of many new promising developers...
... Prime 4 is being developed by a talented new team...

Case closed, Lost Reavers team is making Metroid Prime 4!
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Post by: nickmitch on February 09, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Ridge Racer 8 Switch Exclusive Reportedly in Development by Bandai Namco Alongside First-Person Shooter Adventure Title – Rumor (https://wccftech.com/ridge-racer-8-switch-exclusive-metroid/)

If you’re too lazy to click the link, it cites the LinkedIn profile of Shawn Pitman, the lead designer at Bandai Namco Singapore, who mentions both an “Unannounced First Person Shooter/Adventure Exclusive to the Nintendo Switch” and “Ridge Racer 8 (Drift-based High Speed Car Racing Exclusive to the Nintendo Switch)” as projects he’s working on. Pitman has worked for Sony, Midway, and LucasArts. According to MobyGames, his past credits include Star Wars: The Force Unleashed and EverQuest.

Ridge Racer 8 is seemingly out of nowhere. The series has been largely dormant for several years save for a couple mobile games. The last main series installment, Ridge Racer 7, was released in 2006. Bringing it back exclusively on a successful platform with a dearth of comparable racing games makes sense. The other bit may be more interesting as people seem to be connecting it with Metroid Prime 4.

If true, it’s nice that Nintendo and Namco Bandai are continuing their close working relationship. I feel like it’s practically a given that the latter is also porting Super Smash Bros. for Wii U to Switch.

Well, looks like there was confirmation that the FPS was MP4 from Eurogamer.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2018, 02:48:19 PM
I didn't realize Namco made Smash 4...I have faith
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2018, 04:23:45 PM
What else has Bandai Namco Singapore made?  Have they done anything to suggest that they would be a good team for Metroid Prime 4?

To me the Metroid Prime games were a perfect storm of great but unconventional ideas coming together.  It has the viewpoint of an FPS but isn't really an FPS.  A fair amount of gamers had difficultly wrapping their head around that.  Nintendo doesn't seem to quite understand that either so we got outright shooters like Metroid Prime Hunters and Federation Force using the Metroid Prime name.  The last thing I want is some dev just making "Metroid the FPS" which unfortunately I would probably expect from 90% of the developers out there.  If this is a hand picked dev that has demonstrated that they "get" Metroid Prime, great.  But if it's just "hey these guys are available for work.  Give them that Metroid franchise that gets great critical acclaim but doesn't sell in Japan so we don't really care about it" that's a problem.

I wanted my reaction to finding out who the dev was to be "oh yeah, that's a good choice!" not "who are they?"
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Post by: Evan_B on February 09, 2018, 04:33:17 PM
What else had Retro Studios done to suggest they would be a good team for Metroid Prime?
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Post by: Adrock on February 09, 2018, 05:23:43 PM
What else had Retro Studios done to suggest they would be a good team for Metroid Prime?
Just about the post the same thing. Most of the original team was poached from id Software, Epic Games, Iguana Entertainment etc. Granted, many of them had experience making first-person games, but Metroid Prime was always more of an adventure game.

More importantly, Metroid Prime’s development was in trouble until Nintendo stepped in, cancelled the rest of Retro Studios’ projects, and basically held the developers’ hands until release. Every developer has to start somewhere, and many experiement with new things. Retro Studios, for example, went from Metroid to Donkey Kong.

The only other thing we really know about Metroid Prime 4 is that Kensuke Tanabe is once again leading the project. Okay, Federation Force was a weird choice, but Tanabe is still the Prime series’ producer. That said, I’m not really sure how, at this point, there’s any reason for skepticism. Nintendo hasn’t shown anything except a preliminary logo.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 09, 2018, 05:33:09 PM
Hunters and Federation Force were clearly spinoffs, whereas this is a numbered sequel on a console, so I wouldn't worry about them straying too far from the original gameplay style. Nintendo producers tend to get the best out of other studios they work with, so even if this particular team doesn't have a track record of working on this kind of game I'm sure Tanabe and others at Nintendo will bring them up to speed.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 09, 2018, 06:13:45 PM
That was kind of the point I was making for Ian. But I’m sure he remembers those times, as that was when Nintendo was making games for him, rather than the filthy casuals they cater towards now.
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Post by: Adrock on February 09, 2018, 06:36:34 PM
Whatever works. Only Nintendo could decide, “Let’s sell some fuckin’ cardboard lol,” and get people excited about it.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 09, 2018, 07:46:38 PM
What else had Retro Studios done to suggest they would be a good team for Metroid Prime?

I recall at the time there was a lot of nervousness then as well, particularly when the first info about it being first person came out.

There are a few things that were a little different then though.  At that point Nintendo has never released a bad or even mediocre Metroid game.  We also had Metroid Fusion in the works as well so even if Retro buggered up Metroid Prime we had a "proper" Metroid by the original team to fall back on.  Today I don't really trust that Nintendo truly understands why Metroid is as well regarded as it is, and I had no reason to assume that when Metroid Prime was in development.

I'm not saying this team is certainly going to screw it up.  I'm just wondering who they are so I can set appropriate expectations.
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Post by: Soren on February 09, 2018, 07:58:26 PM
I think the last few years have offered ample evidence that NCL sees Retro's role in the company as something that goes beyond traditional game development cycles. Some people might see that as them getting the NST treatment but you can't look at their output and say it's been anything but stellar.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 10, 2018, 12:01:29 AM
Today I don't really trust that Nintendo truly understands why Metroid is as well regarded as it is, and I had no reason to assume that when Metroid Prime was in development.

We just got a new 2D Metroid that was made by a studio that hadn't worked on the series before and was lead by Sakamoto, the guy people like yourself said couldn't be trusted with the series anymore because of Other M, and yet that game turned out fine.  Yeah Mercury Stream has worked on a 2D Metroidvania with Mirror of Fate, but Samus Returns was higher quality then that which goes to show Sakamoto was able to get the best out of this team that hadn't made a real Metroid game before.

Like Samus Returns, Prime 4 is going to be a new game in the Prime series and will play like them.  Acting like Hunters and Federation Force are a troublesome sign doesn't mean anything when Tanabe was involved in the original Prime trilogy and knows what these games are about and can guide any new team.  Like Sakamoto knows 2D Metroid, Tanabe knows Prime and I don't see why we should doubt his ability to lead a team to make a traditional Prime game based on what he had a team do with 2 spinoffs which were intentionally designed to be different from the main Prime games.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 10, 2018, 12:49:59 AM
The main focus of Metroid Prime 4 should honestly be environmental design. As long as they ain't screwing up the original combat mechanics- something that was similarly treated with respect in Samus Returns- they should focus on Metroid being their big, moody, graphical showcase- something that wasn't really treated with respect in Samus Returns.
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Post by: Adrock on February 10, 2018, 08:21:52 AM
And add more lights to Samus’ various power suits.

And I liked Mirror of Fate more than Samus Returns. /gets booed off stage
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Post by: nickmitch on February 21, 2018, 02:38:52 PM
Emily Rogers is saying Smash is coming to Switch this year. (https://mynintendonews.com/2018/02/21/emily-rogersa-smash-bros-title-will-be-announced-and-released-for-switch-later-this-year/)

She also says she doesn't know if it's a sequel or a deluxe port.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 21, 2018, 03:28:48 PM
Emily Rogers is saying Smash is coming to Switch this year. (https://mynintendonews.com/2018/02/21/emily-rogersa-smash-bros-title-will-be-announced-and-released-for-switch-later-this-year/)

She also says she doesn't know if it's a sequel or a deluxe port.

I still hold strongly to the belief that the Smash 6 job listing was legit and Nintendo had Namco and the gang getting the next Smash ready just after DLC was finished. Maybe even before actually. Realizing that Zelda was more than enough for the year they decided to take even more time on the game to make sure Ridley was perfect.

There has been too much smoke about a new Smash coming soon and I don't doubt one bit that we will get it this year.

Edit: alright where did this new description come from? It disrespects Ridley and all who worship him! As I tell my kids, who I got to whoop?
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 21, 2018, 03:34:05 PM
A deluxe port may run into licensing issues with guest characters like Cloud.  I think at this point a full-on new SSB game makes sense.  They can then negotiate third party characters from scratch.  After all if they can't get the Wii U third party characters in a Switch port then it's an inferior port.

I also fear that if Nintendo goes with ports for this and Mario Kart that we may not get a proper new release for those series on the Switch.  We don't get multiple games in those series for one platform.  Are we going to get a Mario Kart 9 on the Switch or does the MK8 port "count"?

I don't have SSB on the Wii U as I was holding out for a version with all the DLC included so it doesn't really matter to me either way.  But I think a proper sequel is the way to go.
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Post by: Khushrenada on February 21, 2018, 04:22:43 PM
Edit: alright where did this new description come from? It disrespects Ridley and all who worship him! As I tell my kids, who I got to whoop?

:D You're only noticing that title change now?! I think I did that at least a month ago if not longer. I think it's a great title tat captures something we all associate with you. Plus, I don't see any mention of Ridley in that title so not sure what he's got to do with it. It seems that you yourself are too big for Smash Bros if I'm reading it correctly. However, if you really want another title change, just send me a pm or reply back to this stating so but I can't guarantee you will like it any better. That's the NWR Title way!
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 21, 2018, 07:15:35 PM
A deluxe port may run into licensing issues with guest characters like Cloud.  I think at this point a full-on new SSB game makes sense.  They can then negotiate third party characters from scratch.  After all if they can't get the Wii U third party characters in a Switch port then it's an inferior port.

I also fear that if Nintendo goes with ports for this and Mario Kart that we may not get a proper new release for those series on the Switch.  We don't get multiple games in those series for one platform.  Are we going to get a Mario Kart 9 on the Switch or does the MK8 port "count"?

I don't have SSB on the Wii U as I was holding out for a version with all the DLC included so it doesn't really matter to me either way.  But I think a proper sequel is the way to go.

Going back into theory mode.

When Smash 3wiiDU DLC was being negotiated I have to assume they realized the game wasn't going to be all it could be and made preparations for the future. It really is hard imagining those 3rd Party characters topped right? Sakurai very well may have realized this early on and negotiated for those characters to appear in the next title as well.

So much of Switch's success has revolved around top Wii U games getting moved over to a system that people actualy wanted and Smash being a part of that makes way too much sense for me. Iwata and Sakurai knew the next Smash was going to be needed right away and I'm certain that job listing was legit.

The amount of work that went into the near 60 character roster and all those stages across 2 games will certainly be leveraged further. That instead of starting from scratch with a new engine and such.

Now I know that sounds too much like a Mario Kart 8 port but we all know the true draw of Smash Bros and thats the characters. Much like Splatoon 2 this will only seem like a port to the uninformed. Expect a good 10-15 brand new characters if Sakurai is involved, along with everyone from the previous roster. A bunch of new and improved modes, stages, tons of music, etc.

Count on it. I know how these things work.

Edit: alright where did this new description come from? It disrespects Ridley and all who worship him! As I tell my kids, who I got to whoop?

 :D You're only noticing that title change now?! I think I did that at least a month ago if not longer. I think it's a great title tat captures something we all associate with you. Plus, I don't see any mention of Ridley in that title so not sure what he's got to do with it. It seems that you yourself are too big for Smash Bros if I'm reading it correctly. However, if you really want another title change, just send me a pm or reply back to this stating so but I can't guarantee you will like it any better. That's the NWR Title way!

Man I don't know how I missed it! I actually do like it though. Whether the Ridley association was intentional or not it is pretty perfect for me. A title earned not asked for.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 21, 2018, 07:27:02 PM
Yeah, fighting games are defined by their characters so really you can add some new characters and some new backgrounds and, boom, SSB sequel.  It doesn't really matter if it uses the same engine as other fighting games do that all the time.

With racing games the tracks are what matters so if the tracks are largely taken from an earlier game with a few new ones that comes across as a port instead of a proper sequel.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 21, 2018, 08:32:33 PM
This is Smash 5.

Smash 4 3DS and Smash 4 Wii U were essentially the same game. This one is likely going to be the same case, so really we should just call it Smash 4 Switch.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 21, 2018, 08:41:42 PM
This is Smash 5.

Smash 4 3DS and Smash 4 Wii U were essentially the same game. This one is likely going to be the same case, so really we should just call it Smash 4 Switch.
No it isn't. One has smash run and the other one has smash tour. They're totally different. :smug:

The sad thing is people actually unironically make that argument
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 21, 2018, 09:21:56 PM
The job listing called it Smash Bros 6. Sakurai will call it Smash Bros 6 as he considers 3DS the 4th title and Wii U the 5th.

3DS and Wii U offered the same roster with the same mechanics but the different stages and modes are enough for me to refer to the new game as Smash 6 as well.

Not that I really care too much. What ever we refer to it as we all know we are talking about the next Smash.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 21, 2018, 10:59:48 PM
It's the sixth Smash Bros. game, certainly. But if it's based on the same systems as Smash 4, then it will be a new version of Smash 4.

Brawl and Smash 4 are not the same game. Melee and Brawl are not the same game. They have the same characters but there are a number of key differences that set them apart. Smash 4 3DS and Smash 4 Wii U are as similar as you can possibly get in regards to replicating the same fighting mechanics on two different systems.

Smash 4 3DS is the Street Fighter IV 3DS edition of Smash 4.

I'm not trying to be contrarian, or anything. Yes, Smash 4 3DS has Smash Run and Street Smash, and Smash 4 Wii U has the Hand Challenges and whatever that stupid board game mode was, but they're just additions atop a base game. It's like saying Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for Wii U is a completely different game from any other version because it has Tekkenball.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 21, 2018, 11:38:16 PM
Maybe Doom guy will be in Smash Bros.
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Post by: Adrock on February 22, 2018, 09:38:00 AM
Upgraded port for Super Smash Bros. for Wii U seems like the most likely scenario.

1. While it sold well for a Wii U game, Nintendo would be reaching far more people, far more quickly for a fraction of the work by porting to Switch in a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe package with all DLC and just adding/updating things.
2. Speaking of the work, I find it unlikely that Sakurai would develop a new Super Smash Bros. in secret and in fewer than three years since finishing the Bayonetta DLC.
3. Nintendo is well aware of the tournament scene. Getting the series to its current and notably widely successful platform has to be a priority. A port is the path of least resistance.
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Post by: Order.RSS on February 22, 2018, 10:14:41 AM
Maybe Doom guy will be in Smash Bros.

Honestly that'd be sick! I also hope we'll see Bomberman make an appearance, maybe we can convince Konami it'd mean a sales spike for Super Bomberman R? Also we need Rabbid Luigi from Ubisoft and maybe Shovel Knight? Would also be cool to see one of the SteamWorld characters show up, I bet Image & Form would be game. Last unexpected third party announcement: Chase McCain from Lego City Undercover.

I'd hope/expect to see some representation of Splatoon, ARMS, and maybe Rex from Xenoblade 2 as well.

Of course none of these would mean anything so long as Ice Climbers don't return!!! :@
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Post by: Evan_B on February 22, 2018, 10:20:48 AM
Adrock hits it on the head. The Smash 4 tournament scene has just lost one of its major players in ZeRo and the meta is very Bayonetta-heavy as of right now. The best thing they could do to cause a resurgence in the game’s popularity and viewership is add Ice Climbers, Wolf, etc to offer more matchups for Bayonetta to deal with- and likely give her a few nerfs to encourage more matchup diversity.

Not saying I think Bayonetta is broken, but her playstyle is vastly different from any other character and that is causing a lot of toxicity in the community as of late.

However, hoping for new fighters, especially from the Western/indie scene, is pretty fruitless.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 22, 2018, 12:33:25 PM
2. Speaking of the work, I find it unlikely that Sakurai would develop a new Super Smash Bros. in secret and in fewer than three years since finishing the Bayonetta DLC.

Counterpoint: Sakurai is a madman.

But I think an enhanced port is definitely the way they'd go.  The 3DS stages (and Smash Run?) in HD would feel like a significant add to the Wii U game.
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Post by: Stratos on February 22, 2018, 01:37:30 PM
If we get a Smash this year, it will be a port. If it won't come until 2019, then odds are it is a new title.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 22, 2018, 02:38:32 PM
2. Speaking of the work, I find it unlikely that Sakurai would develop a new Super Smash Bros. in secret and in fewer than three years since finishing the Bayonetta DLC.

You know maybe it was something very calculated. I've read in multiple interviews that Sakurai feels he has to constantly be careful of what he says because of the frenzy it causes to Smash hopefuls. Remember Kid Icarus Iwata asks? I know you guys remember. Sakurai keeps talking about whats up with Kid Icarus and Iwata keeps asking questions about Smash lol.

The way people unlike me hound him on Twitter about anything and everything he does wondering if its in relation to Smash must get tiresome.

I bet you more than anything he is enjoying this cool down moment because he can breath with only 10,000 Tweets a month instead of 10,000,000. The moment this game gets officially announced the hypening begins and what little home/social life he has once again ends.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 22, 2018, 09:19:17 PM
Like Caterkiller already said earlier, it'll be like Splatoon 2 at least where even if it's made heavily reusing assets, it'll still be presented as a new game by Nintendo and have enough new content to be considered one, even if it'll be extremely similar to it's previous installment.  Even though the Wii U version of the last Smash only sold 5 million, the 3DS version sold over 9 million.  Considering they're 2 versions of the same game, combined they're already the best selling Smash Bros, which means Nintendo can not get away with just releasing an enhanced port.

The best selling game in the series before last gen was Brawl with over 13 million sold.  Even if everyone who bought the 3DS version also bought the Wii U version, which I find unlikely, that still leaves the majority of the Smash Bros fanbase getting their fix of the latest game last gen.  This isn't like the best selling Mario Kart doing over 37 million, so even though Mario Kart 8 did over 8 million on the Wii U, it still paled in comparison to the best selling in its series.

Basically an enhanced port of the Wii U version of Smash isn't going to cut it.  This isn't like Mario Kart or Donkey Kong who saw huge drops in their audience from the last gen, or Pokken which was a new IP released right at the end of a dead systems life.  Even if the majority of content from Smash Bros Wii U is just ported over, the game will still need a dozen new characters, tons of new stages and at least one new major mode to get the fanbase truly hyped.  At which point it's not really fair to call it an enhanced port anymore.

Plus I don't see why some think they wouldn't be able to get a new Smash Bros this year.  They made Smash Bros 3DS/Wii U in a little over 2 years since development started during Summer 2012 with that game, and since they wouldn't have to worry about making a 3DS version as well this time, they would have had more then enough time to create enough new content.  If the Splatoon team could create a sequel in only 1.5 years, I don't see why some doubt Sakurai and Namco could do the same in only 2 years, when they created 2 versions of the the last Smash Bros in the same amount of time.
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Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2018, 10:23:28 AM
Considering they're 2 versions of the same game, combined they're already the best selling Smash Bros, which means Nintendo can not get away with just releasing an enhanced port.
I disagree. Port or not, the series is bankable. A port would sell well; a brand new game may sell more. Either way, it's a win for Nintendo. People who post on video game message boards may be privy to the development history of the 3DS and Wii U games. I wonder how many people view them as "two versions of the same game." While they share content, the 3DS version is a severely stripped down experience missing features from previous installments played using a Circle Pad. Still pretty good, but let's call it how it is.

The Wii U game, the one used in tournaments with an audience Nintendo is increasingly paying more attention to, flat out performed worse. Nintendo spent significantly more resources on the version that sold significantly fewer copies. I'd imagine Nintendo wants more mileage out of that investment.

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Plus I don't see why some think they wouldn't be able to get a new Smash Bros this year.  They made Smash Bros 3DS/Wii U in a little over 2 years since development started during Summer 2012 with that game, and since they wouldn't have to worry about making a 3DS version as well this time, they would have had more then enough time to create enough new content.
There's a lot to unwrap here.

It's physically possible for Sakurai and [insert developer here] to develop a new Super Smash Bros. in the time between when Bayonetta DLC released and the end of 2018 (as the rumor suggests). However, it doesn't seem particularly likely.

1. Sakurai left HAL Labs because he was tired of the expectation that sequels were inevitable and had to be asked to return to direct the next two installments (as an independent contractor) by Iwata who had the benefit of decades of friendship. For a brand new Super Smash Bros installment, we would have to assume that Sakurai, after completing two games he slaved over for three years to the detriment of his own health, was eager to jump back to work on a sequel at best only a few months later.

2. Aside from key people like Sakurai, it’s doubtful that the 3DS and Wii U versions were developed by the same people. Since the games were developed concurrently rather than one after the other, not creating a separate version doesn't reduce development time. There are no real shortcuts to the work that is required to make something new and more importantly, good. Creating one version only means fewer people would be hired/contracted. Budgetary restraints mean a company can’t hire/contract indefinitely for the purpose of significantly speeding up development time; it hires/contracts many people as it thinks it needs. Once the project ends, contractors are let go/not renewed which leads into the last point.

3. For a project as large as a new Super Smash Bros., someone would have noticed an influx of hiring/contracting regardless of who the developer is. With all the leaks from Wii U/3DS, I'm not convinced Nintendo could have kept this quiet for so long. A port, even with additional content, doesn't require nearly as many people.

To be clear, I'm not saying a brand new game can't happen by the end of 2018, but there's enough stacked against it. Personally, Nintendo has me by the wallet when it comes to Super Smash Bros. I'll buy anything so my opinion on the matter has no bearing on whether I want a port/new game more.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 23, 2018, 11:54:49 AM
Luigi Dude has a good point.  Wii U ports work because hardly anyone owned a Wii U.  But SSB is also a 3DS game.  That was a successful system and you can assume that a lot of Switch owners owned a 3DS.  Hell the Switch is essentially the 3DS' successor.  This also might make other Wii U/3DS multiplatform games like Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World and Hyrule Warriors a hard sell in porting.  Putting these games on the 3DS was already moving them to a more popular platform to get them noticed.
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Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2018, 12:09:32 PM
This also might make other Wii U/3DS multiplatform games like Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World and Hyrule Warriors a hard sell in porting.  Putting these games on the 3DS was already moving them to a more popular platform to get them noticed.
Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition is already scheduled for a Spring 2018 release on Switch so there goes that idea.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 23, 2018, 01:16:14 PM
I also fear that if Nintendo goes with ports for this and Mario Kart that we may not get a proper new release for those series on the Switch.  We don't get multiple games in those series for one platform.  Are we going to get a Mario Kart 9 on the Switch or does the MK8 port "count"?
That's what bums me out too. I'm ready for a Mario Kart 9, but it's probably years away at minimum.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 23, 2018, 01:29:02 PM
This also might make other Wii U/3DS multiplatform games like Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World and Hyrule Warriors a hard sell in porting.  Putting these games on the 3DS was already moving them to a more popular platform to get them noticed.
Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition is already scheduled for a Spring 2018 release on Switch so there goes that idea.

I think the question is whether the game would see expanded success by being on the more popular home console, or if the return on the Switch port would be diminished because of the 3DS port.  Essentially, has Nintendo already reached the game's potential audience by porting it once already?

I would argue in the case of Smash, the answer is probably no.  There's too much demand for that game on Switch. I don't about Hyrule Warriors, but without looking at the sales number for the previous versions, I think the demand for the Switch version won't be hurt significantly by the 3DS version having existed.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 23, 2018, 01:47:04 PM
Doesn't the 3DS version of Hyrule Warriors run extremely poorly without the NEW 3DS model? That would limit its appeal on 3DS. It's one reason why I didn't get that version and am waiting for the Switch version instead.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 23, 2018, 02:10:40 PM
Doesn't the 3DS version of Hyrule Warriors run extremely poorly without the NEW 3DS model? That would limit its appeal on 3DS. It's one reason why I didn't get that version and am waiting for the Switch version instead.

Yeah here's a comparison of the different versions.


So even though it was technically ported to the 3DS, I can see why Nintendo might feel the 3DS port was hurt because of how poorly the game ran on the non-New models which make up the majority of the 3DS userbase.  The Switch will be a more popular system that can properly play the game along with all that extra content, which I can see why Nintendo would be willing to port it again.

That's why I think Hyrule Warriors is kind of a special case since even though the 3DS version has more content, the gameplay is heavily watered down.  For a series like Warriors, having less enemies and slower gameplay is kind of a big deal which is why even in Japan, the home console versions of these games have always outsold their handheld counterparts despite handhelds overall being way more popular.
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Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2018, 02:48:37 PM
The fact remains that Nintendo has been padding Switch’s release schedule with expanded ports of Wii U games, and one of those ports also has a 3DS version. To paraphrase Occam’s Razor, the simplest solution with the fewest assumptions is usually the right one. There isn’t enough known right now to say one way or another for certain. However, based on Nintendo’s own behavior this generation, there’s very little reason to believe a Super Smash Bros. released on Switch by the end of this year would be a new game.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 23, 2018, 04:05:22 PM
There is no way they wouldn't have the Smash Bros. Hype machine rolling by now if there was a new game coming.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 23, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
Yeah, NEW Smash games usually get the insane hype train- if a new game were to be announced AND released this year, if would give almost no time for that hype train to get moving.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 23, 2018, 05:39:35 PM
Yeah, NEW Smash games usually get the insane hype train- if a new game were to be announced AND released this year, if would give almost no time for that hype train to get moving.

If it's going to be their big holiday game, between now and E3 would give it plenty of time to be revealed and hyped up.  People have to remember that Brawl was originally suppose to come out at the end of 2007 and yet the Dojo first opened up on May 22nd of that year.  And when it first opened, the early updates were filled with filler like "You Must Recover" and recaps of everything we already knew from E3 2006.  It wasn't until about a month in did they finally reveal Zelda as the first returning veteran we hadn't seen yet, followed by Bowser.  It wasn't until August 1st, over 2 months after the site opened did we see Ike as the first newcomer that hadn't been shown at E3 2006.

So if they literally open a new site at E3, it'd give them plenty of time to start revealing returning veterans, stages, new stages, new characters, items, modes and music at a rate similar or even faster then Brawls Dojo originally did.
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Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2018, 06:57:43 PM
But Brawl was quasi-announced in 2005. Even if we don’t count that, Nintendo released the game’s first trailer at E3 2006 in which Final Smashes, a couple new stages, and five newcomers including the series’ first third party character were unveiled. There was plenty of hype for Brawl before the Dojo started. As far as sequels go, Melee is the outlier, having been released on the same year it was shown to the public.
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Post by: Evan_B on February 24, 2018, 12:41:41 AM
We’re not getting a new Smash Bros.

If we do, I will punish myself by not buying it. Happy?
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Post by: Soren on February 24, 2018, 07:40:07 AM
I just want people to keep talking themselves into the idea that a port is more likely to happen the more time passes.
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Post by: Adrock on February 24, 2018, 08:47:22 AM
If we do, I will punish myself by not buying it. Happy?
No. You’ll have to buy eight.
I just want people to keep talking themselves into the idea that a port is more likely to happen the more time passes.
The more time passes, sure. Rumor states a release later this year though. Here’s a crude over-simplification:

2018 = port
After 2018 = new game

I’ve yet to hear a compelling counterpoint to a port in 2018, just a lot of assumptions based on little to no evidence and hand waving away things that have already happened. For the record, I’d prefer a new game so I’d love to be wrong. However, this discussion isn’t about what we want; it’s about what we think will happen.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 24, 2018, 02:01:30 PM
If an actual new Smash Bros. game releases this year, I'll eat my cat.

As far as sequels go, Melee is the outlier, having been released on the same year it was shown to the public.
Yeah, and if I remember rightly the game was rushed out for the GameCube launch window, leaving it with something like eleven months of development time. I doubt Nintendo will be rushing out the next game.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 21, 2019, 05:47:34 PM
https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/02/21/rumor-microsoft-bringing-game-pass-and-published-titles-to-switch (https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/02/21/rumor-microsoft-bringing-game-pass-and-published-titles-to-switch)

Rumor: Xbox Game Pass to Switch
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Post by: Khushrenada on February 21, 2019, 07:49:33 PM
If an actual new Smash Bros. game releases this year, I'll eat my cat.

As far as sequels go, Melee is the outlier, having been released on the same year it was shown to the public.
Yeah, and if I remember rightly the game was rushed out for the GameCube launch window, leaving it with something like eleven months of development time. I doubt Nintendo will be rushing out the next game.

Hope someone was able to rescue Mop's cat before she had the chance to eat it....
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Post by: Mop it up on February 21, 2019, 08:19:07 PM
No worries, it wasn't a new game.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 21, 2019, 10:41:57 PM
It was a new game. Eat your fucking cat.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 21, 2019, 11:00:29 PM
I mean I don't want to support eating a cat, but Smash Ultimate really has enough brand new features to be called a new game.

1) Many new characters
2) New Single player game
3) New Spirits System

So yes, an argument could be made that these are just revisions of old systems repackaged, but that repackaging counts as new content for a new game.

A healthy compromise would be to just accidentally lose your cat so you don't have to eat it.
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Post by: pokepal148 on February 22, 2019, 03:24:00 AM
This thread sure has taken a catastrophic turn.
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Post by: lolmonade on February 22, 2019, 08:14:26 AM
This thread sure has taken a catastrophic turn.

Take my canada goose and GTFO.
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Post by: lolmonade on February 22, 2019, 08:20:40 AM
https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/02/21/rumor-microsoft-bringing-game-pass-and-published-titles-to-switch (https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/02/21/rumor-microsoft-bringing-game-pass-and-published-titles-to-switch)

Rumor: Xbox Game Pass to Switch

This got trampled by the people eating...felines conversation, but this is a crazy rumor, if true.  Would it be a limited offering of indies that can run competently on Switch?  Would it include some kind of streaming ability to try and push the larger Xbox exclusives like Sea of Thieves/Crackdown/Halo/Gears of War?  So many questions come to mind from this.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 22, 2019, 08:25:50 AM
Pretty sure Switch is going to surpass Xbox One LTD sales in the next couple month globally, so Microsoft wants to stay relevant in the games world. I can see them supporting Switch for cloud streaming - they've basically got nothing to lose by supporting as many platforms as possible.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 22, 2019, 10:17:20 AM
I mean I don't want to support eating a cat, but Smash Ultimate really has enough brand new features to be called a new game.

1) Many new characters
2) New Single player game
3) New Spirits System
4) An entirely new Link

https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/02/21/rumor-microsoft-bringing-game-pass-and-published-titles-to-switch (https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/02/21/rumor-microsoft-bringing-game-pass-and-published-titles-to-switch)

Rumor: Xbox Game Pass to Switch

This got trampled by the people eating...felines conversation,[. . . ]

Mostly Khusrenada's fault, but I don't blame him.  I'm actually impressed with how many wrong takes there were around that Smash rumor.

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Would it be a limited offering of indies that can run competently on Switch?  Would it include some kind of streaming ability to try and push the larger Xbox exclusives like Sea of Thieves/Crackdown/Halo/Gears of War?  So many questions come to mind from this.

I think they would push the smaller indie titles initially and then work their way up to offering larger titles for cloud streaming.  I'm sure they have some games that could probably run well enough on Switch, which would gather interest and attract some early adopters.  Then they can slowly rev up as the tech improves.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 22, 2019, 02:55:38 PM
No worries, this is why I had two cats.

Pretty sure Switch is going to surpass Xbox One LTD sales in the next couple month globally,
I thought Micro$oft stopped revealing the sold numbers of XBONE a while ago, how can we be sure what they are?
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Post by: Khushrenada on February 22, 2019, 05:08:07 PM
No worries, this is why I had two cats.

She's just been looking for an excuse this whole time! She's just admitted to preparing for this moment all along. Pretending that it is something she'd never want to do but she knew exactly what she was doing when she made her declaration. Oh, the humanity cat-ity!
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 22, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
She wanted to try a delicacy "Family Pet Meat" and now she has.
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Post by: nickmitch on February 22, 2019, 09:10:30 PM
The other, other white meat.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 25, 2019, 02:23:44 PM
I'd settle for a cat cake. Make a Nyan Cat cake and eat it too.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 25, 2019, 07:33:53 PM
We can't trust Mop It Up to do the right thing.  We need someone else to eat the cat with her.
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Post by: ShyGuy on February 25, 2019, 10:51:57 PM
Just to get us off the topic of feline feasting...

https://gonintendo.com/stories/329361-rumor-microsoft-bringing-cuphead-to-switch-over-100-xbox-games

This would be crazy.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 25, 2019, 11:46:39 PM
Microsoft knows what's good for them.

Oohboy should concede defeat. NX has Xbox on it.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 26, 2019, 12:02:36 AM
Just to get us off the topic of feline feasting...

https://gonintendo.com/stories/329361-rumor-microsoft-bringing-cuphead-to-switch-over-100-xbox-games

This would be crazy.

I'd be all over it for Cuphead.  You'd have to imagine all the Rare games would be on their way as well for pretty obvious reasons as well.

Wow, if all of this is true Microsoft is about to become Nintendo's biggest third party supporter by far.  That would certainly be a nice headline to send back to 2004 when so many in the gaming media were declaring Nintendo doomed since there was no way the DS would be able to compete against the PSP.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 26, 2019, 06:24:11 AM
This is one thing that really intrigues me about streaming services for games and specifically Microsoft's potential future for gaming.  See Microsoft already has 2 platforms for gaming, Windows and Xbox One.  Providing a gaming service for a reasonable price would allow for Microsoft to get money from gamers despite if they invest in the hardware which is usually a low profit or no profit investment.  So they could still have a next generation console for those that want the ease of a console, still have the games be compatible with Windows and even provide the games on a competing console.  It is an interesting proposal and I could see it working well for value.  $19.99 a month could get you a library of games, online service and the ability to play those games on any system with Microsoft Gamepass. 
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Post by: Kairon on February 26, 2019, 07:39:24 AM
Yeah, it's weird. This is what we used to call "going third party" but nowadays it looks like a very smart play with all the revenue that can get made through subscription fees and services. It IS still a platform play though, just that the platform isn't a piece of hardware but a streaming ecosystem that can be profitable without being tied to any one device.
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Post by: Shaymin on February 26, 2019, 08:32:45 AM
I feel like if this is true, then the Xbox basically becomes the Google Pixel of video game consoles. It provides a reference design, and is there if you want a pure experience, but you can buy so many alternatives from other suppliers with their own twist on the platform.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 26, 2019, 08:45:16 AM
I feel like if this is true, then the Xbox basically becomes the Google Pixel of video game consoles. It provides a reference design, and is there if you want a pure experience, but you can buy so many alternatives from other suppliers with their own twist on the platform.

This doesn't sound like a bad place to be.  Honestly, the game industry 3rd parties have been looking for a more uniform experience.  I think a Steam-like streaming system would be great for the gaming industry, but then consoles could still be a thing. 
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 26, 2019, 10:34:41 AM
It makes sense for Microsoft to go this way.  They originally entered the industry because they thought entertainment systems like the PS2 were going to be the future.  After Smartphones and Tablets showed this wasn't the case, that already made some at the company question the decision to keep pumping billions into the Xbox.  Now that Balmer and the rest of the original crew behind the Xbox have left the company and the One is getting clobbered by PS4 and Switch, I can see why they're looking for a way to make the Xbox brand more profitable and a service route would be a smarter way to do it.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on February 26, 2019, 08:03:29 PM
I'm skeptical this is actually going to play out like the maximalist rumoring, but I've been saying for awhile that the enemy boxes don't really make sense anymore. I mean, it does still for Nintendo because they're much smaller than Sony or Microsoft and they actually make money on hardware, but in general walking back from the game theory disarmament stalemate would be better for everyone. I wonder if the anti-Xbox faction at Microsoft was pacified by the long-term road-map toward this.

Still, though, it's hard to imagine Sony taking a similar step, and I basically unthinkable that Nintendo would reciprocate. I suppose if this next-gen streaming stuff really take off, however, the rules of the market could get majorly re-written.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 26, 2019, 11:34:31 PM
Nintendo isn't really smaller than those other companies.

https://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/98426

https://quote.jpx.co.jp/jpx/template/quote.cgi?F=tmp/e_stock_detail&MKTN=T&QCODE=7974
https://quote.jpx.co.jp/jpx/template/quote.cgi?F=tmp/e_stock_detail&MKTN=T&QCODE=6758

Nintendo is a weird company where they can fluctuate from being the number 2 most valuable company to not even in the top 25 in a day. I blame crazy stock people.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on February 27, 2019, 04:07:59 AM
The problem is the other companies have diversification to help or hurt them.  But Nintendo doesn't.  So Nintendo is always all in, and if they get a bad product or something happens then the stock suffers.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 27, 2019, 04:48:35 PM
I could get free months of Game Pass from Bing rewards, so I'd try it out if it went to Switch.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 27, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
The problem is the other companies have diversification to help or hurt them.  But Nintendo doesn't.  So Nintendo is always all in, and if they get a bad product or something happens then the stock suffers.


Nintendo has playing cards, and a percentage of the Pokémon company.  They really aren't going anywhere.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on February 27, 2019, 07:12:28 PM
Nintendo's not going anywhere as a company, but I think it's fair to say that diluting their hardware strategy in favor of streaming is not likely to be in their best interests anytime soon.

I'd say that they've been keenly aware of the issue with identical game boxes for a while, as they've never veered back after bailing on the arms race with the Wii. For all that the Switch is loaded with ancillary gimmicks, I'd bet that most of it's usage is as a low-powered static home console, which I would imagine gives them the willies.
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Post by: Kairon on February 27, 2019, 07:14:54 PM
Hanafuda will save us!

I'd say that they've been keenly aware of the issue with identical game boxes for a while, as they've never veered back after bailing on the arms race with the Wii. For all that the Switch is loaded with ancillary gimmicks, I'd bet that most of it's usage is as a low-powered static home console, which I would imagine gives them the willies.

Actually, didn't Nintendo present usage data in some of their recent presentations? I want to say it turns out 20% of people use it pure handheld and another 20% use it pure docked?
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Post by: ThePerm on March 07, 2019, 06:33:42 PM
I have pretty good intel saying there will be a Labo VR headset.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 05, 2019, 11:51:28 PM
Toad for Smash?


BnM Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqjKQcUWOWM)
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Post by: nickmitch on January 08, 2020, 11:15:37 PM
Switch Pro coming this year?

(http://i.imgur.com/5oDSyFm.png)

Link (https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/1214195658137075713?s=20)

This was originally reported by DigiTimes (https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20200106PD206.html), which has a spotty track record, but confirmed by Takashi Mochizuki, who has a good record.

Additionally, there's some speculation based on inventory levels at Nintendo and Nvidia. Here's a twitter thread explaining it. (https://twitter.com/PiranhaCapital/status/1214627015862566913?s=20)
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 09, 2020, 12:15:52 PM
Releasing another Switch model when they just released the Switch Lite just seems like a good way to piss off your customers.  There are going to be people that just got one for Christmas and then a few months later they get to find out their shiny new toy is obsolete?  But then I'm the sort of guy who uses the same phone for years and years so my way of thinking doesn't necessarily reflect that of today's consumer.

With the PS5 and Xbox Whatever coming out soon it makes sense to offer some sort of hardware upgrade but if they felt the need to do that, why release the Lite only a year before?  It isn't like the Switch isn't selling well and needed a stop gap to stay afloat.

I'm not a fan off half-step upgrades like the PS4 Pro anyway but because of the Wii U flopping Nintendo is kind of stuck between generations.  So I understand how a half-step can buy time to stretch out the Switch's life until Nintendo can sync generations better with the competition.  But if you feel the need to release such a product don't release another product so soon before.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 09, 2020, 01:42:50 PM
Well, the Switch lite isn't really a step up from the original Switch. Since it's handheld only, it's more like a slight step down. The pro would be a step up and a totally different proposition for consumers. Now, anyone who got the new Switch with the better battery might be a bit upset, but if the pro has a premium price point, the consumer now has to think "well, would I have paid $350-400?" and that's a maybe/maybe-not.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on January 09, 2020, 03:16:44 PM
Yeah I have to imagine the Pro will be noticeably more expensive just so Nintendo can have distance tiers between the OG, Lite and Pro.

Plus keep in mind the report say Nintendo is planning on releasing it in mid-2020, so we're talking Summer at the earliest.  Of course if Switch sales remain strong, I wouldn't be surprised if they delay the Pro beyond that as well.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 09, 2020, 06:35:06 PM
Okay, I think the price points makes a good argument for having two different products in the Pro and Lite.  But I think that would look better to the consumer if both had been released at the same time.  Some people didn't buy a Lite because of any price point.  They wanted a Switch and determined of the two models available that that was the one that suited them best.  But if they had the third choice that would have been available to them if they just waited a little longer they might have picked the pro.  Some existing Switch owners bought a Lite because they wanted the better battery life.  If the Pro also has better battery life that also might have been their pick.

And if the Switch Pro has exclusive games or games that are noticeably inferior on a vanilla Switch then that might upset Lite owners as well.  The Lite has some compromises but the owner felt it was worth it.  But if "won't play certain new games a year from now" was factored in the decision maybe they wouldn't have gone with the Lite.

I feel like if you're having multiple models at a different price point make them available at the same time so that customers feel informed and don't feel swindled if the model they really would have wanted comes out shortly afterwards.  Obviously this isn't an issue if there is a bigger gap between the release dates.

I love my 3DS XL but it does bother me a fair bit that there are some games that won't play on it.  In my mind that's not how consoles are supposed to work.  It's supposed to be one specification, everything works on it.  And any change is like the Famicom Disk System or N64 Expansion Pak where at least existing owners can upgrade without a whole new system (though I don't think upgrades are a great idea either; they're just better than "pro" versions of consoles).
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Post by: nickmitch on January 09, 2020, 06:43:30 PM
Some existing Switch owners bought a Lite because they wanted the better battery life.  If the Pro also has better battery life that also might have been their pick.

True.  But Nintendo kinda dropped the ball already by only quietly refreshing the Switch prime, and not really advertising the better battery.


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And if the Switch Pro has exclusive games or games that are noticeably inferior on a vanilla Switch then that might upset Lite owners as well.  The Lite has some compromises but the owner felt it was worth it.  But if "won't play certain new games a year from now" was factored in the decision maybe they wouldn't have gone with the Lite.

I think games looking inferior are gonna happen.  Many games on Switch run with variable resolutions, and a Pro model would have to allow for higher resolutions or it wouldn't have an obvious value.  Likewise with games like BotW, where the frame rate has noticeable drops.  A Pro model needs to not have or have less frame rate drops in that game, or what's the point?  So, I think some games have to look better on it.

Now, as far as exclusives, I would hope Nintendo waits for a ~new~ Switch type refresh where they can drop a lite, pro, and/or classic model at the same time before they do something like that.  They should hold off on exclusives and make them few and far inbetween.  There weren't that many on n3DS, but they were notable.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 09, 2020, 06:47:38 PM
I was waiting for the Switch Pro all along so...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2020, 10:59:02 PM
I might buy a second Switch if it's a Switch Pro, depending on what that means exactly.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Adrock on January 10, 2020, 10:44:04 AM
I’ve been meaning to post a new poll/thread asking if you fine people think Nintendo should release a Pro soon or wait to launch a successor. Unfortunately, I have been too lazy.

Releasing an enhanced Switch revision fits into what Iwata said way back about NX:
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Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models.
The plan: Regularly release new form factors then eventually phase out the older ones. I don’t know if that’s going to work in the video game hardware space because these are specialized devices. Smartphones are used all day, every day in a variety of ways.

Switch Lite has a specific use case: Parents can buy all their wiener kids a “cheap” Switch. It’s much easier to understand Switch Lite’s place on store shelves. I don’t know what the market is for a “Pro” revision since it will be a half-step more powerful than the OG Switch yet still lag behind PlayStation 5/Xbox Series X/PC in terms of hardware power. If it’s powerful enough to get some ports, maybe I can see it’s worth if I squint though most of the Switch audience will remain on the standard chipset. Still seems unnecessary and Nintendo not done well justifying the existence of such revisions in the past. I suppose it depends on just how powerful a “Pro” revision is. The modest spec bumps of DSi/New 3DS won’t cut it.

Admittedly, I’d probably buy a Switch Pro because I’m a gainfully employed 30-something with no kids. Business-wise, in my opinion, waiting to launch a successor makes more sense. Support the previous generation for as long as possible with compatible indie titles and smaller first-party stuff while moving the bigger first-party releases to the successor. Switch is so popular that time is on Nintendo’s side as long as it doesn’t sit on Switch the way it sat on Wii for an extra two years. Nintendo can probably make it to March 2022 as long as the previous five or six months are spent marketing a successor similar to the lead up to the OG Switch.

Nintendo really should specifically aim to be powerful enough to snag most ports of PlayStation 5/Xbox Series X/PC third party games. Sony and Microsoft are aiming for 4K so if a true Switch successor can handle ports at 1080p/60 FPS docked, Nintendo will be in good shape.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Ian Sane on January 10, 2020, 12:02:30 PM
One thing that should factor into Nintendo's decision to go with a Pro variation is how well did the PS4 Pro or XB1 X sell compared to the base models?  How successful was the New 3DS vs. the base model?  Obviously these things didn't outright tank but did they sell well enough to indicate that this approach is worth doing?

The cellphone approach hasn't actually been tried yet.  We've got a handful of game systems with one minor hardware upgrade partway through the generation.  That's like the DS and DSi.  It's not a new model every two years and at some point the old models are phased out.  I think that approach is a much harder sell than the mid-generation Pro approach.  If you have to spend hundreds of dollars every few years to keep up with the newest games you might as well switch to PC gaming.  Maybe the cellphone approach will work but I think there's a big risk in being the first to try that.
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Post by: Adrock on January 10, 2020, 12:31:36 PM
I’m having trouble understanding what is gained from the cellphone approach. Research and development, marketing, manufacturing etc. all cost money. Is this something anyone really wants from a video gaming device? Look, I’ll upgrade because I like Nintendo games and things. I’ll cop to that, but I also consider myself an outlier in that sense. If I had kids or other major financial responsibilities, I probably couldn’t afford it.

That said, there’s only one place to get Nintendo games therefore switching to PC isn’t an option so if any company can pull off such a bold shift in hardware release strategy, it’s Nintendo. I have my doubts it actually will.
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Post by: nickmitch on January 10, 2020, 07:53:55 PM
R&D costs money, yes, but it costs money Nintendo is constantly spending.  It makes sense to keep your R&D team fully intact between generations than try to hire a bunch of people to design your next system, when you're ready.  If you're going to have those people around, they need to work on something and you have to sell that something, otherwise you're just spending cash to no benefit.

The different model approach definitely leads to more sales.  When the Switch came out, there were people who thought "That's too expensive and I'd only want to play on the go", and the Lite sells to those people.  There's people now that thing "Well, the Switch is cool, but seeing those resolution dips/frame rate drops turns me off", and a Pro would pull in those people.  Not to mention that you also get double dippers.

Further, dropping a new version, or even having rumours, gives your product some social cache.  The media will run stories, which is free publicity, which keeps your product at the top of peoples' minds. 

I could see a full cellphone model working, but the systems would have to be 3/4 years apart, where only two "waves" are supported.  But that assumes Nintendo wouldn't have some other hook for their next generation of consoles.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 10, 2020, 07:54:04 PM
PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro released close together and I didn't hear a lot of kerfuffle about it.
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 10, 2020, 08:11:45 PM
PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro released close together and I didn't hear a lot of kerfuffle about it.

Because people generally didn't buy either of them. lololololololololol
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 11, 2020, 08:58:45 AM
Different beast.  PS4 Slim was just a PS4 release model.  PS4 Pro was launched longer into the life of the PS4.  But I do remember people wondering if it was necessary, and the trust is, it wasn't.  PS4 Pro didn't extend the life of the PS4 brand or a Switch Pro won't either.  The best thing Nintendo can do moving forward is to just make sure download games and accounts will always be backwards compatible and try to support a system for as long as it is feasibly profitable to do so.  Wii U was a failure so ending that generation early made sense.  But the Switch is a success and people are not worried about it's power, so keep it going for another year or 2 before releasing a Pro....or never release the Pro and when the PS5 drops just drop the Switch price to be like super affordable.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 11, 2020, 03:52:27 PM
I’ve been meaning to post a new poll/thread asking if you fine people think Nintendo should release a Pro soon or wait to launch a successor. Unfortunately, I have been too lazy.

Releasing an enhanced Switch revision fits into what Iwata said way back about NX:
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Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models.
The plan: Regularly release new form factors then eventually phase out the older ones. I don’t know if that’s going to work in the video game hardware space because these are specialized devices. Smartphones are used all day, every day in a variety of ways.

Switch Lite has a specific use case: Parents can buy all their wiener kids a “cheap” Switch. It’s much easier to understand Switch Lite’s place on store shelves. I don’t know what the market is for a “Pro” revision since it will be a half-step more powerful than the OG Switch yet still lag behind PlayStation 5/Xbox Series X/PC in terms of hardware power. If it’s powerful enough to get some ports, maybe I can see it’s worth if I squint though most of the Switch audience will remain on the standard chipset. Still seems unnecessary and Nintendo not done well justifying the existence of such revisions in the past. I suppose it depends on just how powerful a “Pro” revision is. The modest spec bumps of DSi/New 3DS won’t cut it.

You have to factor in that as time goes on technology gets cheaper. OG Switch price drops while new switch becomes the price of old switch. Tech prices are all half a sham too. Upgrading chips doesn't really cost nvidia other than research cost. The actual material cost is going to be similar. I am sure nvidia has recouped the research cost many times over and could provide huge leaps at low cost for Nintendo.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 13, 2021, 04:59:14 PM
So what's the word on all this Switch+ mid gen refresh talk?

4k on the dock? 720p on the go? new OLED screens?

and Nvidia hiring for development tools programmers for "Next Generation of Console Gaming" which means Super Switch in development?

Someone give me a breakdown summary!!!
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Post by: pokepal148 on March 14, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
But the Switch... ...people are not worried about it's power,
That aged well.
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Post by: ThePerm on March 16, 2021, 08:14:24 PM
Well back when Switch was coming out we were torn whether Ninvidiado would go with X1 or X2. Now we should wonder if they will go with X2 or Xavier.

I predict X2 with a ram upgrade.

Or they might hit the industry jugular with a 16 GB T194. Nintendo already made the form factor of a Switch cheap, a better screen and a T194 and then it's truly next gen. How does modern SD card and Switch cart badwidth performance compare to the ps5 hard drive?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on March 17, 2021, 01:38:43 AM
But the Switch... ...people are not worried about it's power,
That aged well.

Seeing that the Switch is still selling, I standby that statement.  Yes, developers will complain when they don't want to put the normal work to optimize a game for a system...something that used to just be standard practice.  But it is still doing well.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 13, 2021, 03:30:09 AM
So, at this point Metroid Prime 4 is going to be a launch title for the next hardware isn't it?  If it comes out at all.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 13, 2021, 09:00:52 AM
So, at this point Metroid Prime 4 is going to be a launch title for the next hardware isn't it?  If it comes out at all.

The game rebooted development end of 2018 which is only 3 years ago.  New hardware isn't coming out until at least late 2023 so there's still plenty of time to hit the Switch.  Worst case scenario is it ends up being cross-gen like Breath of the Wild.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 13, 2021, 06:21:11 PM
You think late 2023? Switch came out on March 3rd. I'm not sure Nintendo cares about releasing everything in the Winter anymore.

because Switch has been out for 4 years I think branding is now a sort of issue. The Wii was very popular, but had dropped off tremendously by the last years. When Wii U came out there was brand confusion as everyone thought it was an addon and not a system itself.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 13, 2021, 09:18:17 PM
Nintendo wasn't in a position of strength when the Switch launched. The Wii U had been dead for a while at that point and they needed to replace it as soon as possible. The Switch is still going strong, and barring a sudden drop off Nintendo should be able to launch its successor on their own terms. All things being equal I think they would prefer to launch new hardware in the holiday window.
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Post by: ThePerm on October 14, 2021, 03:39:28 PM
There is also the Golden week holiday in Japan. April 29-May 5th.

March 3 was when Switch Launched. (Friday)
March 4 was when Playstation 2 Launched  (Saturday)
February 26 was when 3ds Launched. (Saturday)

If Nintendo follows the same strategy they did in 2016-2017 they can just repeat it. Announce it in October 20, 2022 and release it on March 3, 2023. Which, would be the 6th year anniversary of Switch.

NES(Famicom) and SNES -  7 years, 4 months, 6 days
SNES and N64 - 5 years, 7 months, 2 days
N64 and GCN -  5 years, 2 months, 22 days
GCN and Wii -  5 years, 2 months, 5 days
Wii and Wii U -  5 years, 11 months, 30 days
Wii U and Switch -  4 years, 3 months, 13 days

Switch release through today - 4 years, 7 months, 11 days

November 2022 is 5 years 8 months.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: brewmaxwell649 on November 06, 2021, 04:15:06 AM
There's no guarantee of a large media drive for Wii either; it was only said to be possible due to the USB slot.
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Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: ThePerm on November 12, 2021, 12:52:46 PM
There's no guarantee of a large media drive for Wii either; it was only said to be possible due to the USB slot.
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Is this some sort of AI?
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Post by: pokepal148 on November 12, 2021, 07:15:40 PM
Looks like it.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 12, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
It's a spambot which copies something from a previous post in a thread, in this case it's:

Playing CD based games off a memory card = ass.  Those things are too slow.

There's no guarantee of a large media drive for Wii either; it was only said to be possible due to the USB slot.

Meh, this is why I don't like rumor discussions.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 13, 2021, 01:19:05 AM
Rumor: Switch 2 cpu core has gone semi-sentient triggering judgment day soon.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 08, 2023, 04:01:07 AM
I couldn't find the Switch 2 thread, and didn't feel like creating a new one, so I'll just bump this instead.

https://www.eurogamer.net/nintendo-demoed-switch-2-to-developers-at-gamescom

Apparently Switch 2 was demo'd using BotW remastered as a showcase.
Dev Kits are out and we can expect this to happen sometime next year.
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Post by: M.K.Ultra on September 08, 2023, 11:11:01 AM
I couldn't find the Switch 2 thread, and didn't feel like creating a new one, so I'll just bump this instead.

https://www.eurogamer.net/nintendo-demoed-switch-2-to-developers-at-gamescom

Apparently Switch 2 was demo'd using BotW remastered as a showcase.
Dev Kits are out and we can expect this to happen sometime next year.
I found this topic: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=65290.0 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=65290.0)
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Post by: Evan_B on September 08, 2023, 05:33:19 PM
*Slaps hood* this baby can fit so many teraflops…
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2023, 02:21:20 PM
I couldn't find the Switch 2 thread, and didn't feel like creating a new one, so I'll just bump this instead.

https://www.eurogamer.net/nintendo-demoed-switch-2-to-developers-at-gamescom

Apparently Switch 2 was demo'd using BotW remastered as a showcase.
Dev Kits are out and we can expect this to happen sometime next year.
I found this topic: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=65290.0 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=65290.0)

We'll just use this one for now, as it's all still rumors, not facts, and this thread has the most recent update.

But I forgot to share this part....
https://twitter.com/digitalfoundry/status/1699745957972160739?s=20

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Another VGC source claimed that Nintendo showcased Epic's impressive The Matrix Awakens Unreal Engine 5 tech demo – originally released to showcase the power of PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X in 2021 – running on target specs for its next console.
[...]
The demo is said to have been running using Nvidia's DLSS upscaling technology, with advanced ray tracing enabled and visuals comparable to Sony's and Microsoft's current-gen consoles (however, it should be noted this does not mean the Switch successor will sport raw power anywhere near that of PS5 or Xbox Series X, which aren't portable devices).
[...]
DLSS (deep learning super sampling) is a feature exclusive to Nvidia graphics cards. On PC, it works by using AI to upscale the resolution of games, effectively allowing developers to achieve higher graphical settings and better frame rates on weaker hardware. According to Digital Foundry analysis, DLSS at any normal screen distance "looks almost as good as the real thing."

and this is the demo from 2 years ago for the PS55 and XBX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU0gvPcc3jQ


All I gotta say is that regardless of if they actually hit that mark, the future looks bright if we getting UE5 support out the gate.
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Post by: Stratos on September 11, 2023, 08:17:36 PM
Guess it is a blessing in disguise that I am jobless and broke. I wa splanning to buy the TotK Switch and can't now. So by the time I have the cash to splurge on a new console Switch 2 may be coming.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 12, 2023, 06:19:33 PM
If the rumours are true then the Switch 2 looks a lot like the 3DS in comparison to the DS, a successful concept tweaked and upgraded to keep up with changing tech.  Now the 3DS also had the 3D gimmick but Nintendo eventually de-emphasized that by the time the 2DS came along.  It became clear that the 3DS' success was largely due to building on what people already liked about the DS.

That's really what I want out of a Switch 2.  The Switch concept is so well done that it doesn't need much to upgrade it.  You can presumably do better specs now on a handheld so let's bump those up, but keep the hybrid concept largely in tact.  The fact that they're rumoured to be demoing Unreal Engine 5 is great because a big part of the concept was that the Switch often got current games, just scaled down a bit.  If the gap in hardware was too big we would probably stop seeing any of the "miracle" ports we got.  Third party support would take a huge dip if Switch 2 ports were too difficult to do.

The Switch experience really works for me.  I get Nintendo games and I get most of the third party games I'm interested in.  Maybe the framerate isn't as good or it shows up later but I get them and they're good enough that I'm satisfied.  So if the Switch 2 keeps that going I'll be content.  Though my Switch backlog is large enough I probably won't buy a Switch 2 until years into its life.  I've only had a Switch for about 2 years so I was late for this gen to begin with.

Though I would like backwards compatibility with both digital purchases and physical ones.  I'll keep my Switch 1 so it won't be like these games will disappear for me but I'd like to just keep one system docked that plays everything.  My DS was essentially retired once the 3DS came out but I played DS games on it as much as 3DS games.  I would love to be able to do that with the Switch.  Also if it's backwards compatible then the eShop will stick around longer.  Nintendo has been brutal with retiring their online stores so early but they'll have no reason to if digital Switch games can be purchased for the Switch 2.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2023, 07:58:19 PM
Here's a rundown of all the latest rumors from the behind the scenes demo

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-All of what they discussed is the rumor/chat that dominated Gamescom. The impressions of the demo are from second hand sources so they could be well off on how did The Matrix demo actually compared to PS5 and Xbox Series as 2 years passed between the 2 demos, or the “target hardware” may be not representative of what Nintendo/Nvidia actually manage to achieve in their final hardware (PS3 was only half as powerful as the “target hardware” that run many demo at E3).

-What Eurogamer and VGC reported is what everyone at Gamescom was hearing behind the scene.

-The reports seems to confirm the T239 Nvidia SoC being the actual Switch 2 intended hardware as the Nvidia leak indicated.

-BotW demo was running at 4K/60fps using DLSS.

-The Matrix demo has the benefit of Nvidia having much better ray tracing hardware than AMD.

-DLSS 3.5 (minus frame generation) is what they probably were using to run the demo and they think it’s reasonable to expect T239 to be able to handle DLSS 3.5 features (minus frame generation).

-Unreal Engine was 5 developed quite a lot in the past 2 years after the PS5/XBS demo released and it’s more scalable now that it was when the demo first debuted. The engine is getting “lighter”.

-It’s in Nvidia and Epic Games’ best interests to have Unreal Engine 5 be scalable down for Switch 2. Epic Games wouldn’t want to make Unreal Engine 5 hard to use on a platform potentially as successful as the original Switch was and Nvidia would desire this console to be a showcase of their impressive DLSS/ray tracing capabilities.
https://mynintendonews.com/2023/09/11/digital-foundry-discusses-vgc-eurogamer-switch-2-gamescom-rumors/

So far sounds great.

Also heard something about 12GB of RAM.
that also sounds great.

I hope Nintendo is able to make this thing as capable as it sounds.
Release at $399 and let's go!!! 

edit: I haven't watched this, but this is the DF video discussing some Switch 2 stuff that's being referenced above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2bl_Jqti44
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Post by: Luigi Dude on September 13, 2023, 04:26:22 PM
Though I would like backwards compatibility with both digital purchases and physical ones.  I'll keep my Switch 1 so it won't be like these games will disappear for me but I'd like to just keep one system docked that plays everything.  My DS was essentially retired once the 3DS came out but I played DS games on it as much as 3DS games.  I would love to be able to do that with the Switch.  Also if it's backwards compatible then the eShop will stick around longer.  Nintendo has been brutal with retiring their online stores so early but they'll have no reason to if digital Switch games can be purchased for the Switch 2.

The only Nintendo system in over 20 years that hadn't been backward compatible was the Switch because it was basically the successor to both the Wii U and 3DS so it would have been impossible to allow the system to play both of those games.  I mean just putting in a disk drive to play Wii U games would have required the system to be much bigger and less handheld friendly, and more expensive.  And 3DS games since they require a dual screen would have made things an even bigger mess.

Since the Switch successor doesn't have to worry about dealing with that kind of crap, it'll be backwards compatible with the Switch like all previous handheld systems where, as well as the Wii and Wii U were.  I mean this is the company that gave the Wii, Gamecube backward compatibility even though the Gamecube unperformed.  With the Switch literally Nintendo most successful system of all time that's still selling software like crazy, there's a zero percent chance it's successor won't be able to play its games.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: King of Twitch on September 14, 2023, 08:23:45 PM
The Switch 2 will be an absolute beast. By the end of it, it'll have a 12-14-year span of games library, including a Smash with all characters and a Mario Kart with 60-zillion courses and a Mario movie that will let you put your face into the action with an AI camera. PLUS they're building a real museum and hopefully some more amusement park add-ons.

It's like in Sim City when you hit 100,000 pop. and you get to add a bunch of new casinos and the music speeds up. Will Wright would be going out of his mind.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: Mop it up on September 15, 2023, 12:24:05 PM
Rumor: It prints money.
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Post by: Evan_B on September 15, 2023, 02:59:51 PM
And just think, they could have found such success so much earlier if they had only gotten rid of Reggie!
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 10, 2023, 04:22:41 PM
New rumors floating around.
Posting from phone. So keeping it brief....

- Developer codename NG
- 2 SKU's - digital only is the cheaper SKU
- large onboard storage compared to existing offerings
- Target price point of $400 for cheaper model
- Target release date of 9/24/2024 or 11/03/2024


As usual, take with grain of salt. Shared for conversations purposes.

Edit: update with more rumors from a different source.....
https://famiboards.com/threads/future-nintendo-hardware-technology-speculation-discussion-st-read-the-staff-posts-before-commenting.55/post-855132

Major devs like Activision and EA have had kits for months.
Nintendo including some AR abilities in the system and there's "evidence" of parts being shipped and kits being shipped to back both these claims.

And apparently mass production in some capacity has already begun.

And they think first half of 2024 releae, and that previous "rumor" at top of post is likely fake
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Post by: Evan_B on October 10, 2023, 10:03:12 PM
400 for the cheaper model? Nintendo Switch, this new system ain’t. We haven’t inflated that much in the past 7 years, and if they’re aiming for making $70 games the norm this next gen hardware might be a bit too rich for my blood.
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Post by: Ian Sane on October 11, 2023, 11:46:44 AM
That's the same pricing as the PS5 which is a little expensive for my tastes.  I'll be waiting for sales or price drops if it's $400 for the digital-only model, which wouldn't be the one I would get.
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Post by: Torchwick1234 on October 11, 2023, 07:01:38 PM
If that will be' the effective pricing, then I will do myself a further favor by quitting gaming as soon Switch ends its lifecycle.

I already talked about it enough in my own topic, but I want to bring it up again because it seems to be an overlooked problem: Things have gotten grim for gaming, as someone who is mainly a Nintendo fan. Sony fanboys have taken over the internet, they made their word "the law of gaming" and they destroyed the games of the competition, especially Nintendo's ones, by spreading a lot of deliberate hate and false informations. Because of all of that, I cannot express anymore appreciation over Nintendo games without being victim of online attacks. It's disgusting situation and as long I still get new games I will always be forced to face this crap... which is why I've decided to quit gaming for good as soon Switch ends its lifecycle next year. I'm still going to get most o the remaining major releases on the console, including the remakes (except Luigi's Mansion 2 HD), but as soon the new console is officially revealed, I will stop looking at gaming sites for good, as I will ignore what will come next.

Regardless my whole situation, it does seem that Switch's successor will not replicate the success of its predecessor, of these are the premises. And I have no intention of spending much more than I would. So if these are the rumors then it's yet another gops reason for me to quit gaming as soon Switch ends its course...
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Post by: RABicle on October 12, 2023, 03:48:00 AM
Sony fanboys have taken over the internet, they made their word "the law of gaming" and they destroyed the games of the competition, especially Nintendo's ones, by spreading a lot of deliberate hate and false informations. Because of all of that, I cannot express anymore appreciation over Nintendo games without being victim of online attacks. It's disgusting situation and as long I still get new games I will always be forced to face this crap... which is why I've decided to quit gaming for good as soon Switch ends its lifecycle next year.
I feel this is just the online spaces you’re hanging out in. Anyone who is a Sony fan in 2023 is an imbecile, or doing it ironically. Their machine is overpriced, has less features than its Xbox competitor. It has no exclusive games and every other year hackers steal all your information.

Anyway as for Nintendo rumours, guess you gotta jsut swallow a $500 price or whatever it’ll be in AUD. We’re stuck on this train for life, even if I stop gaming I’ll have to maintain a subscription for my children. Imagine not raising your kids right and one day they come home and ask for a PlayStation?!
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Post by: ThePerm on October 13, 2023, 06:53:52 AM
As a Sony fan it's just the PS4. I never moved onto the ps5. I don't have money.  I've been broke since 2017.
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Post by: Stratos on October 26, 2023, 01:07:29 PM
While I have converted to digital for all future purchases and been that way for a while, I would never buy a digital-only console if I had the choice. My nephew loaned me a copy of Pokemon Arceus and that couldn't happen if I was exclusively digital.

I'm glad it is late next year, my job situation has been rough and may finally be settling down so that will buy enough time to save and plan for a big purchase like that.
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Post by: nickmitch on October 28, 2023, 04:57:03 PM
I already talked about it enough in my own topic, but I want to bring it up again because it seems to be an overlooked problem: Things have gotten grim for gaming, as someone who is mainly a Nintendo fan. Sony fanboys have taken over the internet, they made their word "the law of gaming" and they destroyed the games of the competition, especially Nintendo's ones, by spreading a lot of deliberate hate and false informations. Because of all of that, I cannot express anymore appreciation over Nintendo games without being victim of online attacks. It's disgusting situation and as long I still get new games I will always be forced to face this crap... which is why I've decided to quit gaming for good as soon Switch ends its lifecycle next year. I'm still going to get most o the remaining major releases on the console, including the remakes (except Luigi's Mansion 2 HD), but as soon the new console is officially revealed, I will stop looking at gaming sites for good, as I will ignore what will come next.

I think you just have currate your spaces more actively. A lot of fan boys are still out there fighting the console wars, but you just have to use your blocks and mutes to filter them out. It sucks, but you can make a nicer space online for yourself.

Personally, since I'm primarily a Nintendo player, I alternate which competitor to keep up with. I had a 360, and only got a PS3 towards the end to play the PS2 remakes/collections. I got an Xbox One S that I woke up one day and realized I barely played. I now have a PS5 and a PS+ subscription for those exclusives.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2024, 09:46:44 AM
I saw an article over the weekend about some company releasing some tech, that stated they were gonna make the drop along side the release of the Switch 2 in September of 2024.

I was on my phone, and away from home, so I kinda lost the page it was on as I was browsing through stuff, but I'll see if I can find it again and share it here.

but until I find it.... here is an updated article of all you we know so far from Polygon https://www.polygon.com/nintendo/23899504/nintendo-switch-2-release-date-power-name-games

edit: It was a press release by Altec Lansing (this 1 of several sources citiing the bolded quote below)
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nintendo-switch-2-might-hit-175852743.html#:~:text=The%20press%20release%20from%20Altec,Switch%202%20in%20September%202024.%22

Original Press release: (must've been altered as it doesn't mention the bolded quote below)
https://www.prweb.com/releases/altec-lansing-ventures-into-new-territory-as-the-inaugural-licensee-of-ai-sharks-original-gaming-software-302032707.html

Quote
Altec Lansing, the leading global audio electronics company, today announces its role as the first licensee of Ai Shark’s cutting-edge gaming software. Formerly known as GameShark, Ai Shark is set to redefine the gaming landscape with its revolutionary AI-enhanced technology. The innovative gaming software is set to mark a significant leap forward in the gaming experience, bringing enhanced gameplay for beginner-level users. The official launch is planned to coincide with the Nintendo Switch 2 in September 2024.
Title: Re: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2024, 12:53:02 AM
Rumor has it that Switch 2 reveal could be next month.

I haven't watched the video, but I guess that's what's rumbling out of the rumor mill right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1KjvYTv8LA
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2024, 04:30:05 AM
This says that Switch 2 will have physical and digital backwards compatibility
and that Devs can "enhance" Switch 1 games on the Switch 2
https://universonintendo.com/rumor-proximo-hardware-da-nintendo-tera-retrocompatibilidade-fisica-e-digital-com-jogos-do-switch/

I'm assuming that will be higher frame rates, cleaner textures, higher rez output?
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Post by: Evan_B on February 12, 2024, 10:05:25 AM
This says that Switch 2 will have physical and digital backwards compatibility
and that Devs can "enhance" Switch 1 games on the Switch 2
https://universonintendo.com/rumor-proximo-hardware-da-nintendo-tera-retrocompatibilidade-fisica-e-digital-com-jogos-do-switch/

I'm assuming that will be higher frame rates, cleaner textures, higher rez output?
The backwards compatibility would be lovely, if true. But I find the backwards enhancements a bit suspect. It has to be a dev-side thing, right? Like, the system can’t possibly perform such actions itself.
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Post by: Stratos on February 13, 2024, 03:11:28 PM
I seem to recall PS2 had that ability to "upgrade" PS1 games. It was just something like extra anti-aliasing or some other form of pixel smoothing you could toggle on or off in the menu.
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Post by: Khushrenada on February 13, 2024, 05:12:02 PM
This says that Switch 2 will have physical and digital backwards compatibility
and that Devs can "enhance" Switch 1 games on the Switch 2
https://universonintendo.com/rumor-proximo-hardware-da-nintendo-tera-retrocompatibilidade-fisica-e-digital-com-jogos-do-switch/

I'm assuming that will be higher frame rates, cleaner textures, higher rez output?

I've been wondering myself if there might be something like that with the Super Switch. When the PS5 released, the big thing that many early adopters talked about was just enjoying the improvement to PS4 games they were playing on it. It enabled them to run better and the impression was that was a big selling point since it had pretty unremarkable software during that first year. With recent games on the Switch like Batman: Arkham Knight or Mortal Kombat 1 which had videos highlighting the drops in framerate or downgrade in graphics. Thus, it has made me ponder if some of those game might get updates that allow them to run a bit better on the next Switch or if the Switch 2 would just run them better on its own.
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Post by: Adrock on February 13, 2024, 11:40:30 PM
This says that Switch 2 will have physical and digital backwards compatibility
and that Devs can "enhance" Switch 1 games on the Switch 2
https://universonintendo.com/rumor-proximo-hardware-da-nintendo-tera-retrocompatibilidade-fisica-e-digital-com-jogos-do-switch/

I'm assuming that will be higher frame rates, cleaner textures, higher rez output?
Probably some DLSS/AI upscaling wizardry.
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Post by: Stratos on February 13, 2024, 11:55:26 PM
With recent games on the Switch like Batman: Arkham Knight or Mortal Kombat 1 which had videos highlighting the drops in framerate or downgrade in graphics. Thus, it has made me ponder if some of those game might get updates that allow them to run a bit better on the next Switch or if the Switch 2 would just run them better on its own.

The problem will be if it is developer/update dependent, which will actually take the time to make the change? If a game sold poorly they may not get the clearance to work on an update. And even better selling games may not get the greenlight to update either if they are more than a year or two old unless they are still getting updates.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 13, 2024, 11:59:07 PM
As far as I know. As long as they're using the same type of vendor for their GPU, upgrading existing games shouldn't be much of an issue. From a market capitalization perspective, Nintendo should stick with Nvidia.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 14, 2024, 11:36:19 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the option to upgrade Switch games will be there on the Switch successor, but as Stratos said, it'll be developer dependent.  So some of the more recent titles might get patches if the developers are still working on them, but how many older titles will have devs willing to create a new patch for them?

So it'll be a nice feature to have, but I wouldn't hold my breath and act like all the Switch games that had frame rate and graphical issues will magically be getting fixes.  Like I've seen a lot of people online talking about how Xenoblade 2 will suddenly be improved, when it's like, really guys, Monolith Soft is busy on whatever new Xenoblade game for the Switch Successor, I doubt anyone at Monolith Soft or Nintendo really cares about patching an almost 7 year old game by the time the Switch Successor comes out.
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Post by: Dinar87 on February 15, 2024, 09:08:50 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the option to upgrade Switch games will be there on the Switch successor, but as Stratos said, it'll be developer dependent.  So some of the more recent titles might get patches if the developers are still working on them, but how many older titles will have devs willing to create a new patch for them?

So it'll be a nice feature to have, but I wouldn't hold my breath and act like all the Switch games that had frame rate and graphical issues will magically be getting fixes.  Like I've seen a lot of people online talking about how Xenoblade 2 will suddenly be improved, when it's like, really guys, Monolith Soft is busy on whatever new Xenoblade game for the Switch Successor, I doubt anyone at Monolith Soft or Nintendo really cares about patching an almost 7 year old game by the time the Switch Successor comes out.

Yeah it seems very unlikely nintendo would go beyond their usual backwards compatibility approaches.

Also speaking of Xenoblade 2, I'm currently replaying it again  ;D it's such a good game!
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Post by: Adrock on February 18, 2024, 01:39:13 AM
The internet went into meltdown because Switch 2 got "delayed" to 2025 (https://www.polygon.com/24075215/nintendo-switch-2-delay-2025-reports). Can it really be a delay when Switch 2 wasn't even officially announced? I'm being pedantic.

I'm not even disappointed. I only opened Tears of the Kingdom to claim the My Nintendo Gold Points, and I haven't bought Super Mario Bros. Wonder or Super Mario RPG. My backlog is LOL even without those games. I'm old; it'll be 2025 before I know it.
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Post by: Dinar87 on February 18, 2024, 05:00:56 AM
The internet went into meltdown because Switch 2 got "delayed" to 2025 (https://www.polygon.com/24075215/nintendo-switch-2-delay-2025-reports). Can it really be a delay when Switch 2 wasn't even officially announced? I'm being pedantic.

I'm not even disappointed. I only opened Tears of the Kingdom to claim the My Nintendo Gold Points, and I haven't bought Super Mario Bros. Wonder or Super Mario RPG. My backlog is LOL even without those games. I'm old; it'll be 2025 before I know it.

Same, also have a huge backlog here too; persona 3 reload, tekken 8, replaying xenoblade chronicles 2 and torna, sonic x shadow generations, sonic frontiers...
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Post by: M.K.Ultra on February 19, 2024, 09:52:00 AM
I only opened Tears of the Kingdom to claim the My Nintendo Gold Points, and I haven't bought Super Mario Bros. Wonder or Super Mario RPG.

I am surprised the coins were still available. I recently opened Fire Emblem Engage and the gold coins were already expired  :'(
I know it is an older game, but I am not that late to the party.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on February 19, 2024, 11:04:00 AM
The internet went into meltdown because Switch 2 got "delayed" to 2025 (https://www.polygon.com/24075215/nintendo-switch-2-delay-2025-reports). Can it really be a delay when Switch 2 wasn't even officially announced? I'm being pedantic.

I'm not even disappointed. I only opened Tears of the Kingdom to claim the My Nintendo Gold Points, and I haven't bought Super Mario Bros. Wonder or Super Mario RPG. My backlog is LOL even without those games. I'm old; it'll be 2025 before I know it.

Not only do I have a huge backlog of games I own and need to play, I still have over 160 games on my eShop wishlist.  So my backlog, literally has a backlog of games that needed to be added to it.

I also find it funny how a lot of the comments about people being angry are acting like nothing else is coming to the Switch this year.  Which is the same thing they were doing last year when many of these same people thought Tears of the Kingdom would be the last game released in 2023 and then a new system was guaranteed to come out in the 2nd half of 2023.

I mean Prime 4 is probably still a regular Switch title and can still come out this year.  Grezzo hasn't done anything since the Links Awakening remake so a new 2D Zelda could come out.  The rumored Fire Emblem 4 remake that has been around for years now could finally come out.  There's also the rumored Donkey Kong platformer that EAD has been rumored to be working on for years now.  And who knows what other 3rd party collaborations Nintendo mights have for Switch titles as well.
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Post by: Stratos on February 20, 2024, 01:46:08 AM
The internet went into meltdown because Switch 2 got "delayed" to 2025 (https://www.polygon.com/24075215/nintendo-switch-2-delay-2025-reports). Can it really be a delay when Switch 2 wasn't even officially announced? I'm being pedantic.

I'm not even disappointed. I only opened Tears of the Kingdom to claim the My Nintendo Gold Points, and I haven't bought Super Mario Bros. Wonder or Super Mario RPG. My backlog is LOL even without those games. I'm old; it'll be 2025 before I know it.

I thought that was some people overreacting about nothing. Makes me curious what will be coming this year to supplement if that is the case. Final years of Nintendo consoles tend to get some of the must unique and fun stuff because they have fully mastered the hardware, and the "flagship" games are being mostly held over for new systems.
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Post by: Dinar87 on February 20, 2024, 05:18:32 AM
The internet went into meltdown because Switch 2 got "delayed" to 2025 (https://www.polygon.com/24075215/nintendo-switch-2-delay-2025-reports). Can it really be a delay when Switch 2 wasn't even officially announced? I'm being pedantic.

I'm not even disappointed. I only opened Tears of the Kingdom to claim the My Nintendo Gold Points, and I haven't bought Super Mario Bros. Wonder or Super Mario RPG. My backlog is LOL even without those games. I'm old; it'll be 2025 before I know it.

Not only do I have a huge backlog of games I own and need to play, I still have over 160 games on my eShop wishlist.  So my backlog, literally has a backlog of games that needed to be added to it.

I also find it funny how a lot of the comments about people being angry are acting like nothing else is coming to the Switch this year.  Which is the same thing they were doing last year when many of these same people thought Tears of the Kingdom would be the last game released in 2023 and then a new system was guaranteed to come out in the 2nd half of 2023.

I mean Prime 4 is probably still a regular Switch title and can still come out this year.  Grezzo hasn't done anything since the Links Awakening remake so a new 2D Zelda could come out.  The rumored Fire Emblem 4 remake that has been around for years now could finally come out.  There's also the rumored Donkey Kong platformer that EAD has been rumored to be working on for years now.  And who knows what other 3rd party collaborations Nintendo mights have for Switch titles as well.


Hope we get Prime 4 and FE4 this year!!  ;D
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Post by: ThePerm on February 21, 2024, 08:19:12 PM
I predict Prime 4 will just be a Switch 2 title.

Likely, that's all Switch 2 will have going for it for the first year. Other than backwards compatibility, and upgraded version of games.

Now the question is will Nintendo name Switch 2 something sensible like Switch 2, or something stupid that confuses people? Did they learn their lesson with the Wii U, or has the success of the Switch made them forget how Wii was successful too before Wii U came out?

It's kind of funny to think that the Switch has been out so long, that there is a generation of kids who don't understand the concept of an upgraded generation.