Topic: Next Gen. Dreamcast

[eljefe]

People consider it a failure, but I couldn't have been happier with mine. It was a nice holdover while I was waitng to get a GC, but now I play those old Dreamcast games more than anything else in my collection. RIP Sega as a hardware co.

Long live Nintendo and all other innovators..  

[kirby_killer_dedede]

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Originally posted by: stevey

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Originally posted by: alphonso58
Its just a matter of time before the Nintendo Revolution becomes the next dreamcast. Nintendo will keep its handheld but soon or later drop the system will make games like sega. Look at the controller, no one is going to want it just because of that. This is just a story of a gaint fighting a losing war. PS3 and Xbox360 will live, but not nintendo in this war of the Hardware. Theres only room for two gaints, look at the history of video gaming. Ok here comes the heat from the Fanboys

[fixed bad spelling]

There so much worng in there that I dont know were to start. "war of hardwear" The dreamcast was stronger than the ps2 and every system this gen was stronger than the ps2, but the ps2 won. So it not hardware that make winner. The controller is great give it a try before you bash, and the bananarang the final ps3 controller. "Look at the history of gaming" Let see the world of gaming near die when all the game maker just wanted money and forgot to make good games, then died, and nintendo came out with the revolutionary nes a save VG from hell. "only room for two gaints" No, there all has been diffent numbers of systen in every gen with one winner.

ROFL now stevey's fixing spelling errors?  

(No offense stevey, you're not as much of a clown anymore)

[ShyGuy]

I think Stevey picked up English as a written language much faster than I could pick up the language where koopa means poo.

Those Curly Wurly bars look interesting.

I've thought about picking up a Dreamcast, but only games I really want are Shenmue, Soul Calibur 1, and Seaman

[animecyberrat]

Yes but I am only waiting for teh Day when SEGA will make thier triumphant return to Console games and Kill off SOny, Microsoft and then force Nintendo to become THIER 2nd party developers mwhahaha!


SEGA RULEZ!

J/K


Seriously though I wish teh Dreamcast could have done better because it woudl have stopped Xbox dead in its tracks and GC could have maybe had a better change cuz it would have been the most powerfull system.

Oh I forgot to ask does anybody know what happened to Vectroman remake that was coming out on current systems? I heard it was canceled or something but dont knwo what but I woudl love to see that game get made for the REV, and a new Toe Jam and Earl game the controller would be perfect for that.

[Gamebasher]

The SEGA Dreamcast was the second best console ever launched to market, in my opinion, only being surpassed by Nintendo´s 64 bit machine. That is in terms of gameplay fun. But in terms of graphics, the DC won of course. I will never forget it, and hope like others that we can one day see the return of SEGA to the hardware arena.  

I was always enraged by Sony and their Playstation 2, and how they used cunning advertising campaigns, and so much money that SEGA didn´t have to spend, to crush the Dreamcast totally. When I read about how Sony fans were maliciously celebrating "The death of Dreamcast" I went totally mad with rage, and actually would have murdered them if I could have done it somehow. But instead Sony is now paying for their abusive ways, and "we don´t care"-attitude, which I find totally in order.

Never for one moment have I doubted that Nintendo will NEVER share SEGA´s fate, though. Nintendo might even return to become the market leader as Jim Merrick already stated. He stated it, but I THOUGHT it, long before!!!

For, noone can beat Nintendo in pure gaming spirit. They are, and will always be, the best!  

[animecyberrat]

I have felt thsi same way for a long time, gamebasher. I look at how Sony went on a personal mission to kill Nintendo by any means nescasary, and they end up killing off all Nintendos major Compatition instead. I have thought for a liong time that Sony would eventualy fail and now I am actualy seeing the start of this. Its sad though because i did liek the original PS, but after a while developed a hatred for Sony for many of teh same reasons yo mentioned.

[stevey]

I think that Sega will make a come back but ms and $ony need to DIE first so sega can have the chance to succeed with a system.

[BlkPaladin]

There is an instance I would like the Revolution to be like the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was extremely easy to program for and it still has a loyal homebrew development community. There was talk about something like this when the Revolution information came out at E3.

Hopefully Nintendo taps into this area by giving them a place to offer their software or make it easy to do so by themselves. Because they could foster quite a bit of talent and find maybe the next big thing.
mjb

[nickmitch]

This raises an interesting question: Who would enter the console market if MS and/or Sony should fail?
Apple? Naw. Sega? Hmm. . .

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: BlkPaladin
There is an instance I would like the Revolution to be like the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was extremely easy to program for and it still has a loyal homebrew development community. There was talk about something like this when the Revolution information came out at E3.

Hopefully Nintendo taps into this area by giving them a place to offer their software or make it easy to do so by themselves. Because they could foster quite a bit of talent and find maybe the next big thing.
mjb

OH! I know! Nintendo should sell NES dev kits so that people can make their own NES games!

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Originally posted by: TVMan
This raises an interesting question: Who would enter the console market if MS and/or Sony should fail?
Apple? Naw. Sega? Hmm. . .

Either Hershey or Nestle would.

Personally, since an orphanage owns 51% of Hershey's stock, I wouldn't feel bad buying a Hershey game console. Beats the living daylights out of giving Bill Gates my money, lol....

Ah, I'm just playin', Ya knoz I luv ya gatez!

~Carmine M. Red
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[Hocotate]

If Sony and MS were to drop out, I think Sega would be the best company to step up and make a console. The glory days returned!! Nintendo and Sega dominating the industry. I still don't accept non-gaming companies like Sony and MS making consoles. Both of them still have no idea what they are doing....

[ShyGuy]

Nokia N-gage as a console! Imagine the possibilities!

[nickmitch]

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Nokia N-gage as a console! Imagine the possibilities!

Yeah, all 3 of them.

EA would seem to be the only one who would be capable of making a console but I don't think that even they have the balls for that. Sega might not want to take the risk again and probably won't be able to gain much 3rd party support.

[BlkPaladin]

I doubt Sega will because their new parent company seemed to want them to concentrate on the Arcade. And it doesn't seem Sammy is interested in taking that risk. (I think Sammy is the name of Sega's owner.)

[animecyberrat]

not exactly true my man, Sega-Sammy merged and Sega-Sammy Holdings is the parent company, Sega is still run seperate from Sammy but Sammy funds Sega now. Sammy wants to get out of teh console bussines altogether and focus entirely on arcades, which Sega has been dominating arcades for some time now.

Also they have Sega making slot machines now too, I seen them at a casino i used to work for. Sega is definatley expanding and they made way more money than even Nintendo did last year so if they wanted to make aconsole they could easily fit in, but they would propably be better off waiting until they rebuild more trust and regain thier old image because tehres still al lot fo people who bash them just cuz Saturn and DC failed. I rememebr when Sega was on the verge of filing bacruptcy there was talk of Sega and Nintendo merging, that woudl have been perfect because then they would include the Sega library for the Rev. but no Nintendo was too bull headed to do such a thing and Sega wsnt going to sell out to one of thier chief competitors.  

[Gamebasher]

I really think we will see something from SEGA in the very near future, and the reason why I think so, is because there is a definite need for something better than the current offerings from Sony and Microsoft to fill up the market. The stagnation that has been ravaging the videogame market for years, is simply because Sony and Microsoft don´t have any idea what they are into, don´t know games (like Hiroshi Yamauchi said of Microsoft), and there pump out a mediocre bunch of games, which if it wasn´t for the few highlights such as Halo and Gran Turismo would have long ago landed the whole industry where it was at the last market crash. Yes, I mean this!

They can deny it all they want, but I know for a fact that SEGA, as one of few, and even though they don´t have a console anylonger, has salvaged a lot for the gamers survival on said two platforms during this stagnation, by producing titles being way above the average and below-average games seen flooding the market. I have to merely look at the reviews scores for console games on, say, IGN, to tell how few games are really any good or really, really good! It´s companies like Nintendo, SEGA, Namco, Konami, Square-Enix, Rare (I almost didn´t want to mention them, but did anyway, as I still believe they have potential to return to the glory of the past once again) which continue to keep the market floating, and not sink like a certain luxury liner did in 1912!

So SEGA probably knows they could make mega bucks by returning to the hardware market, but only if they time it incredibly well, and that would mean not until either Sony or Microsoft throws in the towel! Some might argue that will never happen, but I think that one of them will have to bow out for reason of unprofitablity!!!

I don´t think SEGA would have a problem at all attracting support from third-party developers, since they are going to be forced to launch games on several platforms in order to remain profitable, and looking good in investors- and share-holders eyes!

So, perhaps we shall indeed see, that the two companies who were once the two most successfull in the business, with NES/Master System and SNES/Mega Drive, will once more return to the two top spots and duel it out again head-to-head! The emptiness left by the current two market leaders is bound to be whisked away, and filled out by pure gaming love from the Videogame Gods!  

[animecyberrat]

true true Sega shall rise again!

[JonLeung]

People say Nintendo games are childish.  And then we get immature statements from anti-Nintendo gamers.

Sheesh.

[animecyberrat]

whatever I was just posting my feelings in regards to Sega. re-read the thread.


I ama HUGE Nintendo fan I just like Sega alot also. I used to like them more but they made way too many mistakes.

[IceCold]

Heh, don't worry - Jon wasn't referring to you, at least I don't think he was. He was just stating about people in general who do that..

[kirby_killer_dedede]

Gamebasher...what?  You expect SEGA to create a console yet continue to support the others?

[Gamebasher]

No, I expect the others to support them! Read my post properly!

[animecyberrat]

ok well I just saw it beneath my post and well reacted appropriatley.

[Khushrenada]

I find it interesting how Sega is one of the biggest supporters of Nintendo these days. To me, it just confirms that Nintendo has the right ideas. Sega was at war with Nintendo for all those years and then when they went third party, they could have rejected Nintendo and just worked on Playstation and XBOX. But they've worked with Nintendo and even released all their Sonic games on the Gamecube, aiding Nintendo with their biggest franchise. When you consider how long Sega has been around in the video game market, the fact that they endorse the direction Nintendo has been taking with the DS and the Revolution, puts more weight to Nintendo's stance that this is the direction video games need to go.

I don't think Sega would return to making consoles though. The fact that Sega is making more money now than they did while making consoles would be one arguement against it. I think some of the reasons that Sega lost the console wars are still there and would repeat themselves. Frankly, I'd rather see Sega become a second party to Nintendo. That would be huge. But I doubt that's as likely to happen as Sega returning to consoles.

But I think the market would be helped with a new console maker. However, it should be one that makes games like Sega or Nintendo. I know the complaint's been raised about Nintendo only making consoles that suit their needs and ideas and telling third parties to do it their way. This has been sited as one of the reasons Nintendo has poor third party support. But I don't fully agree with that. Sure, some game developers may resist following Nintendo's direction but I think the real reason is because Nintendo's games are usually better than the other developers. So, people buy Nintendo's games but don't bother with the third party's offerings. Third party decides Nintendo system isn't profitable, I'll go to this other system where I can dump my crap and make more money.

Why are Nintendo's games better? Because they've been making them longer and their system's provide what they need to keep making them of such high quality. Also, Nintendo needs their games to be of high quality to sell their systems. Thus they work hard at making sure their games excel. A third party doesn't have to worry about that and isn't concerned by helping sell a certain console. They just have to make sure the consumer buys their product.

That's the big problem with the game market. Sony and Microsoft aren't really making their own games to sell their systems. They instead try to buy other developers (Rare) or reach exclusive deals with them (Katamari Damacy). They instead use their resources to market and sell their console and leave it up to the developer to innovate or provide a stellar product. That's why we need another console maker that also makes their own games. Because, like Nintendo, they would work hard with their first party titles to help sell their system's and this would result in better games for the market.

Finally, I would just like to say that I don't think Microsoft or Sony are going to bow out soon. In fact, I don't think such a thing would happen until the time of PS4 and Xbox720. I think both are going to battle hard to the end of this generation. And if Xbox does manage to get ahead a bit, then I'm sure Sony's going to try hard next generation to retake it's former position. If it continues to lose more ground during that battle, they probably consider pulling the plug. If Xbox does better this generation, and comes closer to beating Sony or does beat Sony, they'll stick around for awhile. If they only do slightly better, the same or worse, then they may consider pulling the plug at the end of this generation. That's the only way I see one leaving and I still wonder if Bill Gates would be stubborn enough to try for a third time if the latter happens. Now, if Nintendo comes out as the leader and gains as much share as PS2 did this generation, all bets are off.

P.S - I realize this is pretty long and it might be a bear to read but remember - it was also a bear to write. Let's share the pain.

[Ceric]

Good points all.  But like any industry wants it becomes "tame" and not trying to prove itself quality tends to go down.  Like old CD-Rom drives will for the most part read any format you give them, old or new, and are neigh indestructible.  Only thing that get those are old age.  New ones are cheap and you can tell that no one spent the time to do all the nit-picky stuff like when it was an emerging technology.  Unless games start fighting for there lives again or there is another dedicated video game company that can't settle into the current model I don't think we'll see any of that.