Topic: Rumour come True? Zelda: TP Forward Compatible?

[B00tleg]

Well since the older games have to be downloaded  in order to be played on the revolution, then patched versions of games to work with the revo controller are already possible and feasible. I read that Nintendo may go back and consider modifying some games like the Mario Party games to include online play.  

[Ceric]

Three Games for the Fans who look to the sky,
 Seven for the doubters in there hall of specs.
Nine for the Non-Gamers who are doomed to try,
 One for Miyamoto on his Pipe throne
In the Land of Nintendo where the Plumber lie.
 One Game to show them all how it's done, One Game to find them,
 One Game to bring them all and in the console bind them
In the Land of Nintendo where the Plumber lie.

[SaimDusan.I]

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Originally posted by: Ceric
Three Games for the Fans who look to the sky,
Seven for the doubters in there hall of specs.
Nine for the Non-Gamers who are doomed to try,
One for Miyamoto on his Pipe throne
In the Land of Nintendo where the Plumber lie.
One Game to show them all how it's done, One Game to find them,
One Game to bring them all and in the console bind them
In the Land of Nintendo where the Plumber lie.

Lol.  

Edit: Woops I quoted the wrong person. Fix'd.

[BiLdItUp1]

There's definitely going to be some crazy Rev-exclusive mini-games for that thing, don't know why I didn't think of it before now...probably the prospect of swinging a sword overshadowed it.

[Kairon]

Here we see Nintendo saying that NGC, the magazine that is the source of this rumour and is identified in the first post of this thread, was off on pure speculation when they reported that TP was going to be forward compatible. Note how this is not a denial, but merely saying that Nintendo has said nothing on the subject, not even to NGC.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62348

Ah! But what's this? Nintendo gives National Geographic Kids Magazine a possible scoop on videogame mags?

According to NGKM, Donkey Konga, Smash Bros., and Zelda are all playable with the Rev controller, and they know this because Nintendo of Japan invited them over! Now, do they mean new games, or simply the old SSBM, Donkey Konga and TWILIGHT PRINCESS???

http://joystiq.com/2006/01/07/magazine-reveals-revolution-details-zelda-super-smash-bros-d/

So...we're still confused. NGC was speculation, but Nintendo didn't deny the rumor. They keep denying the TP-ported-to-Rev rumours, but they don't want to outright deny the TP-playable-with-revmote rumours?

And then they invite a non-gaming magazine to Japan to go hands-on and to write this?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  

[stevey]

Nintendo did said they started working on a NEW zelda for the rev and SSBO is one of the launch games for the rev.
edit:got the link

[Kairon]

Hmm...and maybe they're working on a new Donkey Konga too.

Anyways, do you think they're anywhere beyond the testing and conceptualization phases on "New" Zelda?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[BigJim]

I don't see how SSMB could have been programmed to be forward compatible so early in the Cube's own life. Surely the specs weren't even ironed out yet.  Only way to do it would be to have some sort of Revolution update downloaded to enable it.

[couchmonkey]

Nintendo may have some kind of "translator" in the GameCube emulator that converts movements with the Remote Controller into movements on one of the analogue sticks on the Cube controller.  If so the result would probably be an interesting but incomplete and sometimes totally annoying new way to play your old games.

Or they could simply be referring to the traditional controller shell.  That's even something they could show to a magazine like National Geographic Kids without giving them much of a scoop.

[Kairon]

Argh! Nintendo! Stop tortuing us! Now you say that National Geographic Kids was only speculating as to the application of the new controls to established franchises!

LOL. I give up, whatever happens, happens, and I'll just have to trust in Miyamoto that it's for the better! lol.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

You sir, are cross-posting.

[mantidor]

Im sure Nintendo has thought about the idea, but if they are the Nintendo I think I know, they will dismiss it. Now added remote features to N64 games would be great.

[Requiem]

Whats the difference, other than that one is easier to do?

[mantidor]

That they wont be delaying any damn game to start. And the fact that everything added is ok for games that are finished and played a thousand times in all these years.



 

[Kairon]

Yeah, remember the Teaser Trailer where they show the woman flicking the controller to the sound of Mario jumping from the NES? It could very well by that they have some sort of generic one-size-fits all solution to older games so they coud be played with the Rev. Wow...

Anyways, the latest is that NGC, the original source of this story, has gone on record that their story was NOT speculation and have accused Nintendo of trying to cover their tracks.

Will the madness never end?!?!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[IceCold]

Wow, that magazine is really putting all their chips in for this one - if it's false, goodbye NGC

[mantidor]

so was it a senior or "someone who is making the game"? because thats a huge difference, if Nintendo  hasnt confirmed anything is because, simply, its not a certain thing. As I have said before they have most likely thought about it but it isnt certain. Or is Nintendo really that crazy and think this is worthy of being one of the many E3 surprises? that would be so dumb in my eyes.

[Requiem]

But brilliant to far more.

If they bust out the REV and have Link doing all sorts of crazy things, it will instantly create a HUGE demand for the REV. People who don't like Nintendo, LOVE Zelda. That's always how its been. Zelda is Nintendo's best franchise, and to make full use of it is absolutely brilliant.

I get your point about how making a Zelda REV from scratch would be better, but that doesn't make any sense. This Zelda could make a base control scheme for Zelda REV, making the newer Zelda automatically superior (control wise) based on this "experimintation" phase alone. Besides, making this game will arouse far more creativity and ideas for the next game. It's exactly like how OOT made the control scheme we know today and how Majora's Mask expanded on the gameplay. And Majora's Mask wasn't a bad game now was it? In fact, it was superior in creativity (and in gameplay in my opinion) to OOT.

It's a win-win situation. We get Zelda with REV controls now, and Zelda with better REV controls later.

NGC is right. I believe this rumor. I've said it before: No magazine would put there entire reputation on the line just for a scoop, no matter how big. And to make a rebutle (sp?) against Nintendo means that they probably do have worthwhile information.

There's no cons in this situation. Adding REV controls is nothing but a positive....and don't give that "we could be playing it now." The delay was already made for gameplay reasons, and you already excepted that.

I guess we can't no for sure until E3, but I will bet anything its true (all signs put to yes).

[IceCold]

It's exactly like how OOT made the control scheme we know today and how Majora's Mask expanded on the gameplay

But OoT was made from the ground up with the 64 in mind; the controls were originally 64 controls, and everything was done with the 64 in mind. This is completely different - TP was made for the GCN - the whole game was based on the fact that it was coming out on the GameCube. Changing the direction to include Rev controls when the game is basically done is not the way to do it. In fact, it would have been better if Nintendo didn't even announce the new Zelda at E3 2K4 - they should have developed it solely for the Revolution. A realistic Zelda at launch which used the controls perfectly and all the power of the Revolution would be a much better indication of the Rev's strengths; adding this functionality will not be. I know that if this happened the Cube would be stuck for nearly 2 years without much meaningful support, and the momentum for the Revolution will be less, but still, I don't like this one bit..  

[mantidor]

"This Zelda could make a base control scheme for Zelda REV,"

No, it wont, at least I hope it wont. And Im repeating myself again, but Nintendo has the interface as the most important thing in a game, we dont notice it because the interface always becomes transparent (something that proves they are very good at it), theres a reason why Miyamoto called TP the "last Zelda game as we know it", because with the Rev the game itself is going to see radical changes in its core mechanics, putting rev features in TP is as lame as putting analog in a Link the Past, a total waste.

[Kairon]

I wouldn't rule out the idea that Nintendo may be adding a secondary optional control scheme to Zelda:TP using the Rev controls. I mean, seriously, if it's only an overlay and playing Zelda Rev with the GC controller is still standard then I don't see what possible harm could come of it. I just don't understand why this is a negative thing to some people. It doesn't degrade the core game, if you really don't like the Rev controls just plug in a GC controller.

Besides, with Nintendo throwing all their chips in with the Rev I wouldn't blame them for wanting to leverage Zelda:TP as much as possible for the next generation. They could use TP to prove the viability of traditional games on the Rev, they could use it as an experimentation ground for control schemes for the Zelda:Rev that we're all expecting, and they could use it as an immense selling point for the Rev instead of just as a swansong for the GC.

And besides, Miyamoto is still there, watching over this project, and it's ridiculous for us to pass judgement without seeing the final product. If Miyamoto himself allows these changes, and allows this secondary control scheme then I don't see why any of us should complain until we see the result. He obviously has good reason for doing so. After all, he IS Miyamoto.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Requiem]

Ok let me start off with this qoute:

But OoT was made from the ground up with the 64 in mind; the controls were originally 64 controls, and everything was done with the 64 in mind. This is completely different - TP was made for the GCN - the whole game was based on the fact that it was coming out on the GameCube.

Are you so sure about that? I happen to recall a Nintendo Employee (not sure who it was) mentioning that TP was basically finished. This was before E3 of last year. I am positive that this decision wasn't made when the internet started speculating ideas for Zelda (i.e. when the control was revealed), or when the delay announcement wa made. It was determined long ago. This game was made for the GCN and REV. The first of its kind. The best of the franchises.

Furthermore....made for the GCN? WW was made for the GCN, TP will expand on it. TP isn't the OOT of the N64...WW is. Therefore, TP is more like Majora's Mask in a way. It is the game that expands on the current scheme. Not only that, but it both expands and developes an entire new scheme. Is it unfathomable that they could do both at the same time? Is that some how out of the question?

Zelda REV will be BETTER (control wise) because TP has REV features. End of story. You can't argue that fact. So therefore, isn't it better, for the sake of Zelda REV, that TP has REV controls? Why wouldn't it be (talking only game wise). Maybe the initial shock of playing something new will be lost, but then again, all Zeldas retian that feel; they all bring something new and refreshing to the table, so that point is moot.

A realistic Zelda at launch which used the controls perfectly and all the power of the Revolution would be a much better indication of the Rev's strengths; adding this functionality will not be.

It's true that it would of been a much better indication. However, what a perfect way to transition into the next gen. I don't know which on is better; the transition or the indication, but I know for a FACT that if TP didn't have REV controls, it wouldn't be either.

putting rev features in TP is as lame as putting analog in a Link the Past, a total waste.

It is absolutely NOTHING like that. Adding functionality has the possibility of making the controls even more transparent. Is that a bad thing? You said it yourself, Nintendo is a master at this sort of thing. Do you actually expect them to half-ass it?

If this is true, TP will be the example of what it means to be a REV game. It will have the side-by-side comparison that is needed to prove the concept. What other franchise would be better than the critically accliamed Zelda, the game of all games? If Zelda works marvelously, then it must be good for gaming.

I honestly don't know what you guys are complaining about. Is it because you want to play Zelda now? Or, is it because you'd rather have TP be a REV game only? Please tell me.

EDIT:

I wouldn't rule out the idea that Nintendo may be adding a secondary optional control scheme to Zelda:TP using the Rev controls. I mean, seriously, if it's only an overlay and playing Zelda Rev with the GC controller is still standard then I don't see what possible harm could come of it.

Is that it IceCold and Mantidor? Are you afraid that the original game will be somehow altered or lost? What proof do you have to arouse (sp?) such fear?

I didn't even want to go back into the beside side of this decision, but Kairon brushed up on it. I'll just say this...From a business perspective, this is a great idea with no negatives.

[mantidor]

I thought it was pretty clear the thing thats pissing off the most is the delay, and that from a busniess point is not a bad decision.

Ill elaborate later since Im at work about the other points, but its very obvious that the game has never been near finished specially after all the promises about its length and depth, if the game was near finished so long ago Nintendo wouldve released it last year since thats like common sense, I think is very naive to think the game was ready to go last year.

[Ian Sane]

"Zelda REV will be BETTER (control wise) because TP has REV features. End of story. You can't argue that fact."

That's not a fact so it's pretty easy to argue.  None of us have played with a Rev controller.  The only indication that it's "better" is that Nintendo said so and they're obviously a pretty biased source for that kind of info.  Personally I find the idea of playing current generation games on the remote very unappealing.  The lack of buttons to me suggests a huge compromise will have to be made in order to shoehorn controls designed for six buttons into two.

To say that TP will be improved by the Rev controls requires incredible faith in Nintendo.  I will agree that the game probably won't be worse unless they have to retool everything or compromise any ideas that would have worked with just the Cube controller but not with both.  But to declare the controls will be improved as factual just doesn't make sense.

[Kairon]

Sorry Mantidor, lol. But if the only thing upsetting you is needing to wait longer for TP then you really should just say that and not imply that Nintendo is wasting their time and doing something pointless on the level of delaying LttP to add analog stick functions. Any besmirck on Nintendo's interface design is a serious attack on Nintendo's honor! Grah! Grah! (not to say that Nintendo hasn't made interface mistakes, they have, but on the whole they've been absolutely magical)

Anyways, on a personal note, I can't imagine why this delay is anything negative to gamers. There's just so much other stuff out there to play. And we're Nintendo fans to boot, delays should be second nature to us by now.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com