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« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2005, 10:10:16 AM »
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Yeah, like Super Smash Bros.


Okay!  Case closed!  

Come on, if you think SSB alone is enough to ensure a great launch, then you haven't paid attention to anything this generation.  The GC started off well, but floundered 6 months down the line.  It was because none of their big guns were ready.  The bottom line is, if they port TP over to the Revolution, and are still working on a newer version, that will equate to a great business move-plus we fans get two Zelda's in two years.  Launching with Mario 128 will help matters, as will SSB, but nothing sells to EVERYONE like Zelda.  And that's the key to launching a system-appealing to potential converts, not just satisfying your hardcore audience.
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« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2005, 10:11:53 AM »
The guys over at the PA boards brought up a good point.  Sony had their AAA title delayed into next year and there wasn't anywhere near the uproar this is causing...  This again just points out the bias towards Nintendo by everyone including most of their fans.  It gets pretty old.
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RE: <b>Zelda Delayed to 2006</b>
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2005, 10:11:56 AM »
The more I think about this plan the more I realize Nintendo is being brilliant with this decision.  Remember the designers had to ask for the extra time, meaning that Nintendo business analysists examined the decision and decided it was best to impliment this step for the holidays.

How would this help Nintendo this holiday season?  Well simple.  Gamers only have limited finances and Nintendo is already having a very BIG holiday lineup.  This year Nintendo seems to be focusing on its dominance of the handheld market...a market they can't refuse to lose.

1)So Nintendo will be pushing sales of Nintendo DS and all its games.
2)Nintendo will be pushing a cheap fantastic Gameboy Micro to become the most portable system around.
3)Zelda would have taken the limelight away from several of the other holiday Gamecube lineup.  That can include all the following 2 Mario Games, a strategy RPG, A Dance Game, and Pokemon Game.  
4)This helps flesh out Gamecube's next year lineup, that also includes a Kirby Game (unless that has been pushed back to Revolution.)

There are several good things to come of this...without thinking about the potential it could mean either being moved to support Revolution or Revolution bonus material.

And for those that say it would delay the game too much.  You are comparing apples to oranges.  

The Nintendo 64 programming language was very different than the Gamecube and required complete retooling of code to move both Starfox and Eternal Darkness over.  Both games did poorly for different reasons.  Star Fox Adventures did poorly because it was a game that had horrible design.  It was surrounded by tedious non enjoyable gameplay.  Eternal Darkness was a game that was poorly marketed, and a mature game from a company not known for producing mature games.  People didn't buy it because they were unsure of the product.

If Zelda TP was retooled the code should require only minor tweaks if no tweaks at all.  Nintendo has already stated that the Revolution and Gamecube programming will be very similar and compatiable.  The engine and gameplay are solid because its Nintendo working on an in house Zelda they won't mess it up.  More proof that changing an original platform doesn't always kill a game is Halo, which was original developed for computer...in fact if I recall it was original being developed for APPLE.  

Ian the truth is you are being way too negative and critical.  Wind Waker was a true Zelda game, and you just didn't like the theme of the game or the graphics or both.  Perhaps you felt betrayed, but to say Nintendo has produced a real Zelda game, because it wasn't what you wanted is kinda self-fish and ignorant.  So now you are complaining that the game is being delayed practally ruining Nintendo's holiday season, unless it works a miracle.  Well, I say it won't ruin it and if Nintendo chooses to prep it for Revolution it will actually be the smartest move Nintendo could make...even if that prepping is just a few bonus levels and features.

Everyone being completely negative needs to look at the news from another perspective.  Not what you would want, but if this makes better since for Nintendo.  Delaying the game to make it the best Zelda possible is what we need.

Now, to the comment that now Zelda will be facing Halo 3.  I laugh.  Halo 3 is not coming out next year.  Bungie works just as hard one their software as Nintendo does, and they will not launch that until it is completely ready and groundbreaking.  Besides launching it in 2007 will make Halo be lost in the flood of 10 million first person shooters.

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« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2005, 10:13:29 AM »
The bottom line is, if they port TP over to the Revolution, and are still working on a newer version, that will equate to a great business move-plus we fans get two Zelda's in two years.

Please tell me why this is a better move than just putting the game out on the GC, which already has a set userbase?  Considering the Rev's backwards-compatibility, porting the game to the Rev would just be outright stupid...
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RE: <b>Zelda Delayed to 2006</b>
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2005, 10:15:49 AM »
"I am calling out for your help fellas, I am weak and need help in this time of heartache and crisis."

well here a flash zelda game if you need something to play and here a zelda movie.

There is only one thing that nintendo can do to make it up send the e3 demo to stores so we can play it. They sent it to comixcon and g phoura so why not?  
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« Reply #80 on: August 16, 2005, 10:16:31 AM »
I'm not so much saddened by the fact that I won't be able to play Zelda this year.  If they're going to make it a better game, I'll give em all the time they need.

I'm VERY saddened however from a business standpoint...Nintendo's got nothing.  Unless Rev plans are revealed tomorrow at the German conference, there are probably 10 million GameCube owners who're jumping ship to buy a curvy new Xbox.
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« Reply #81 on: August 16, 2005, 10:24:27 AM »
"there are probably 10 million GameCube owners who're jumping ship to buy a curvy new Xbox. "

They be back, ms is going to make upgrade to the 360 after time making old 360 usless and then they be back.
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« Reply #82 on: August 16, 2005, 10:30:18 AM »
Time for a Pale rant again..don't read if you don't care...

Why the hell is the console industry a freaking pissing contest?  Virtually every other industry in this world has multiple players and people don't bitch and moan on forums about them...

Damn i really like Ferraris, but they are letting the fans down because there are other car companies that sell more cars than them!

Sheesh.  I wish I could discuss news with people on the internet in a world where every other post wasn't some "I'M SMARTER THAN THEY ARE!  THEY ARE DOOMED!" message.

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RE: <b>Zelda Delayed to 2006</b>
« Reply #83 on: August 16, 2005, 10:30:38 AM »
Kirby:  Did you not read my post.

Nintendo has the DS online with Mario Kart.
Nintendo has Mario Baseball, and Mario Strikers, and Fire Emblem, and Battlan Wars, and Pokemon XD.
Nintendo has the Gameboy Micro and few really nice new GBA game to go with it.
Nintendo has alot of games coming out this holiday season, missing Zelda isn't that big.

It probably is just being prepped to be the best Gamecube game available.  I don't mind if it comes on the Cube.  I wish that it could hit the Revolution and be a launch game, pushing the Revolution launch up sooner, but I think that is just me dreaming for the Revolution to come sooner than later.



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RE: <b>Zelda Delayed to 2006</b>
« Reply #84 on: August 16, 2005, 10:45:22 AM »
"Sony had their AAA title delayed into next year and there wasn't anywhere near the uproar this is causing... This again just points out the bias towards Nintendo by everyone including most of their fans."

Apples and oranges.  The PS2 has incredibly strong third party support and has a healthy release schedule.  Final Fantasy XII was one of several games that are scheduled to be released this year.  The Cube doesn't have that luxury.  Zelda was pretty much literally the only major Cube game scheduled for the Christmas season.  You're comparing a system that has more games released in a week than the Cube gets in two months.  The difference between these two situations is HUGE.

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« Reply #85 on: August 16, 2005, 10:48:23 AM »
I GOT IT!

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« Reply #86 on: August 16, 2005, 11:00:19 AM »
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RE:<b>Zelda Delayed to 2006</b>
« Reply #87 on: August 16, 2005, 11:16:04 AM »
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That would have been a smart move...two years ago.  It's too late now.
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« Reply #88 on: August 16, 2005, 11:28:04 AM »
Also, since there's no screenshot talkback, why does PGC put their logo on the screenshots? As well as a lot of other gaming sites? You guys did not make the screenshots, you didn't even take them yourselves. You got them from Nintendo. Do you have some special premission to put your logo on it while displaying it?

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« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2005, 11:32:19 AM »
Its a practice most sites do, and I think the main reason is to discourage bandwidth theft, but I could be wrong.

I don't know how familiar you are with HTML, but for the sake of explaining, I'll assume you have none.

In any html page you can put a image regardless of what server it is on.  It would be possible for me to make a site and put all of the images from PGCs server directly on it.  This is important because bandwidth costs money and visitors to my site would be unknowingly downloading stuff from PGC without my bandwidth being affected.  Thus, I wouldn't have to pay a dime for it.

By putting their logo on the images, if people do this, their readers will be confused by the fact that another sites logo is on their page.  So they are protecting bandwidth, not the actual image files.

I'm sure there are other reasons too.    
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RE: <b>Zelda Delayed to 2006</b>
« Reply #90 on: August 16, 2005, 11:34:26 AM »
"That would have been a smart move...two years ago. It's too late now."

Well that's like Nintendo's mission statement.  Hell, Twilight Princess should have been released two years ago instead of Wind Waker.  Release the arty Zelda that the mainstream audience won't like first and the more traditional "cool" Zelda at the very end of the console's life when no one cares anymore?  What sort of backwards logic is that?

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« Reply #91 on: August 16, 2005, 11:40:30 AM »
TP was going to be the holiday game from GC, so now what is Nintendo going to put the spotlight on for GC owners?  
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« Reply #92 on: August 16, 2005, 11:43:28 AM »
I'm eagerly awaiting Mario Soccer! (no I'm not being sarcastic )
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« Reply #93 on: August 16, 2005, 11:56:42 AM »
As for the Gameboy micro news, a date is nice, but still no price point or firm details on included accessories and link capabilities.  Billy over at GI says he was told we would learn more very shortly.  This is very strange to me given the IGN rumors of a Rev unveiling next week.  As of now there is no good reason to wait 1 week from one press release about the release date to release another one with the pricing info. (sorry for all the releases =P)  Does Nintendo have something up their sleeves?
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« Reply #94 on: August 16, 2005, 11:58:08 AM »
Ian is not being too negative Spak-Spang, in fact, he is one of the most realistic people on this site. Not having Zelda ready for a holiday release is in no way a good move how you look at it. That game was going to sell GameCubes to most people and was the only real defense fans have for choosing a GC this holiday season. Its almost a joke to me that Nintendo is coming out this holyday season without a major holiday game but has a third verson of a system we already own.
Having Zelda released in spring will also hurt the sales they could of had if they had released it for holiday season. We also DONT need any more droughts from Nintendo if they are serious about being a competitor for the upcoming console war.  
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« Reply #95 on: August 16, 2005, 11:59:27 AM »
Release the arty Zelda that the mainstream audience won't like first and the more traditional "cool" Zelda at the very end of the console's life when no one cares anymore? What sort of backwards logic is that?

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« Reply #96 on: August 16, 2005, 11:59:57 AM »
the only real defense fans have for choosing a GC

Who are you defending your choices to?  Grow a pair.

I'm assuming that you didn't mean that the way it sounds, but it sounds pretty childish.
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« Reply #97 on: August 16, 2005, 12:00:21 PM »
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might thoughts exactly, though I would have added a few of these, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
"I wonder Perrin Kaplan, how many of these multi-million copies do you intend to sell after everyone has sold their GC's and bought XBOX 360's"

The only reason I kept my Cube was for this game.  I would have sold the empty lunchbox over a year ago (when I could have still gotten a little cash).

As has already been said, this is unsatin fo sure.

I'm going to keep my explitives to myself.


"Deep down this is the game I bought a Cube for in the first place. I've been waiting for this game since Nintendo showed the "bogus" Zelda footage in 2000."

I bought the system for that and the Mario64 sequel


I am going to bet they are delaying this game to the launch of REV to have a brand new Cube game to brag about the backwards compatibility.  They have to be working on nothing but REV games; because there really hasn't been jack on Cube since RE4 and MP2 and niether of those games were internal.


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« Reply #98 on: August 16, 2005, 12:01:00 PM »
Oh holy frak!!!!!

So I won't be playing TP is year, and it was supposed to my 50th GCN title bought.

And to Ian, I won't be jumping over to Hypebox 360, since I have charactors I need to work on on PSO (both games) and of corse, I can play GBA games on TV if I get really board.  I in yo face, fool.

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« Reply #99 on: August 16, 2005, 12:05:25 PM »
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Having Zelda released in spring will also hurt the sales they could of had if they had released it for holiday season. We also DONT need any more droughts from Nintendo if they are serious about being a competitor for the upcoming console war.
What side of the argument are you on? You want them to release Zelda for Xmas or do you want them to avoid another drought in the release schedule?

Blow your load now or trickle it out over the next year? I don't think you can have both in Nintendo's situation.

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