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Title: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on June 10, 2014, 01:59:46 PM
Many of us were hoping for a port of the first Bayonetta, but getting it for free is awesome. What value!
The game looks amazing. I only played the PS3 version of the original. Yikes. I'm glad I now get a second chance with a port presumably handled by Platinum Games themselves.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2014, 04:13:56 PM
(http://i.picpar.com/qWO.png)
such good news. I hope this game does well.
What's the over/under on Bayonetta being announced as a New Challenger in Smash Bros. about a month before Bayo 2 releases?
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Post by: Soren on June 10, 2014, 04:16:07 PM
Fine print on the press release mentions that Bayonetta 1 is only available on retail versions of the game. Not on digital.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on June 10, 2014, 04:19:02 PM
What's the over/under on Bayonetta being announced as a New Challenger in Smash Bros. about a month before Bayo 2 releases?
I'm surprised they didn't announce her during the Nintendo Direct right after Bayonetta 2 segment.
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Post by: the asylum on June 10, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
welp this seals it for me then
day one purchase confirmed
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Post by: azeke on June 10, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
No matter if Bayo 2 is gonna be good or not (and it WILL BE), you will already get the one of most amazing game of last 10 year with Bayo 1. Retail/digital shenanigans are troubling. I originally planned to download it the minute it appears on eShop, but now i might have to resort to amazon or play-asia... Though if they will do discount on digital version, i guess i will take just Bayo 2. I already sunk over 200 hours in Bayo 1 on Xbox so might i not want to play it once again...
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Post by: broodwars on June 10, 2014, 10:56:43 PM
I've been on the fence on this one. I didn't like what I played of the demo for Bayonetta 1. There was just too much "dial a combo" in the combat for my tastes. Still, I always meant to go back and give the game a fresh look, especially after liking the most recent Devil May Cry game. Well, playing the version that comes with Bayonetta 2 on Wii U seems as good as place as any, considering my alternative is the digital PS3 version of the 1st game.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 10, 2014, 11:22:14 PM
No matter if Bayo 2 is gonna be good or not (and it WILL BE), you will already get the one of most amazing game of last 10 year with Bayo 1. Retail/digital shenanigans are troubling. I originally planned to download it the minute it appears on eShop, but now i might have to resort to amazon or play-asia... Though if they will do discount on digital version, i guess i will take just Bayo 2. I already sunk over 200 hours in Bayo 1 on Xbox so might i not want to play it once again...
I think I remember seeing the "no Bayo1 on digital" was just an NA problem? The European press release didn't mention it?
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Post by: azeke on June 10, 2014, 11:38:11 PM
I think I remember seeing the "no Bayo1 on digital" was just an NA problem? The European press release didn't mention it?
No idea. According to european site it's a "special edition (http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Wii-U/Bayonetta-2-765382.html#Special_Edition)" that includes Bayo 1.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 11, 2014, 09:51:40 AM
I was gonna buy this at retail anyway. Getting Bayo 1 is awesome. I was a little on the fence before, but now I'm 100% sold.
Anyone gonna mention the Nintendo costumes?
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Post by: Soren on June 11, 2014, 09:56:09 AM
Bayo as Metroid will spur a million gifs. And Link costumes are the perfect "What if Zelda was a girl" troll bait.
I want this game now. Really badly. It's a good thing we're getting 2 games because the summer and fall release schedule is barren.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 11, 2014, 10:00:09 AM
And Peach with DAT ASS
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 11, 2014, 09:59:47 PM
If the first one isn't included as part of the digital version that will substantially decrease the chances I'll buy this game.
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Post by: lolmonade on June 11, 2014, 10:04:03 PM
I've had a mild interest in this game ever since I gnawed through Metal Gear Rising. I was gonna pick up a cheap copy of Bayonetta on Xbox or PS3, but if I can find a good deal on a physical copy of the Wii U game, I might snag this.
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Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2014, 10:19:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/2ZbGdSk.jpg)
Daisy costume. Like I needed another reason to buy this.
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Post by: azeke on July 17, 2014, 01:48:55 AM
Apparently, in online co-op mode you can bet your in-game points.
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Post by: azeke on July 27, 2014, 03:44:00 AM
Yesterday's Nintendo's stream with Bayo 2 was very good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlfSpThLQP4 http://twitch.tv/nintendo/b/551469544 (starting from 2:44) -- for better framerate and quality
I can't wait for this game.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on July 27, 2014, 06:15:11 AM
I'm having a very hard time believing this. You didn't even like the original.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Oblivion on July 27, 2014, 11:19:50 AM
Yeah, I'm with Adrock. You haven't enjoyed a Platinum game before this, why now?
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Post by: Stratos on July 27, 2014, 02:03:56 PM
I am wondering if there will be any pre-order bonuses with the game. Because of the dual-pack deal and the possibility they may release later editions without the first game I may get this early on.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on July 27, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
I am wondering if there will be any pre-order bonuses with the game. Because of the dual-pack deal and the possibility they may release later editions without the first game I may get this early on.
Maybe a copy of the anime? On DVD because giving it away for free on Blu Ray is perhaps too generous as a pre-order bonus. I think Konami did this with Silent Hill: Homecoming; a DVD of the Silent Hill movie (which isn't bad) was the pre-order bonus though the movie was like three years old at that point. The anime is set for release on October 21 which is right around the time Bayonetta 2 should be released.
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Post by: azeke on August 08, 2014, 12:36:02 PM
Direct video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MLpzYDF7ng
Some impressions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUTeRfMuGvM
More vids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01PBlvla0sE
It's an online database of cover art in formats you can print out. Our very own UncleBob has been really into it over the years, using their stuff to make DS cases for his old Game Boy games because he's crazy.
If Nintendo doesn't include a full case for the Bayonetta 1 disc, those guys will have a Wii U cover for it you could print out and put in a case.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 23, 2014, 10:23:39 AM
This game looks so much better than the first game, I wonder how much of that is the years between development and how much of that is the power of the Wii U vs. PS360?
This is 88mph and some serious ****. Not to say it looks better than the best last gen had to offer but damn if it aint pretty.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 23, 2014, 11:25:33 AM
I gotta be honest this game does not look fun at all. I haven't watched much actual gameplay, but the trailer makes it look like it's nothing but super moves and QTEs.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on August 23, 2014, 02:34:30 PM
I gotta be honest this game does not look fun at all. I haven't watched much actual gameplay, but the trailer makes it look like it's nothing but super moves and QTEs.
Platinum Games is literally the only developer in this industry who does QTEs right.
QTEs in Wonderful 101 were the shining moment in entire history of videogames.
Wrong use of QTE is taking away control from the player, Platinum never does that (the main philosophy of PG is "always gameplay first, gameplay second, gameplay third, fourth, fifth and hundreth"), QTEs are only used to enhance emotional impact and most of them are optional.
The main combat is designed in a way that QTE torture attacks are almost redundant in high-level play.
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Post by: azeke on August 24, 2014, 02:56:08 AM
Great video montage from IGN of all people: http://assets.ign.com/videos/zencoder/960/50f55d9e63828106d13163915f317c1c-3500000-1408643905-w.mp4
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 24, 2014, 08:49:35 AM
That's the same video Nile Boogie Returns just posted.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Wah on August 24, 2014, 09:11:22 PM
Deploy kinky ass scene!
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Post by: azeke on August 25, 2014, 07:34:00 AM
That's the same video Nile Boogie Returns just posted.
I had no way of knowing that because i actively avoid giving these sites any clicks.
Here is another IGN video, showing Bayo 1 "cosplay costumes" as they call it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9poOamHznQ
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Post by: sweetfeathery on August 28, 2014, 04:36:53 PM
I know my last forum topic was a bad idea (I'll own up to it) but here's another thought I had on Bayonetta 2. What if Nintendo released Bayonetta 1 on the eshop today for a price tag of 9.99 as of today, and then were to offer anyone who buys it part two for 29.99-39.99? We would be having something to play on the Wii U atm, would bring about lets-plays on YouTube which would be advertisement for the game right there, and would offer savings to players who buy the game digitally?
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Post by: azeke on August 28, 2014, 04:57:51 PM
would bring about lets-plays on YouTube which would be advertisement for the game right there
There are literally hundreds of Bayo 1 let's plays on the net already.
I'd be down for any scheme to get 2 earlier. But i could wait for 1, because i am still playing it on 360 (finishing platinum run on Hard, about halfway there). When i get 1 on Wii U i plan to do a speed run playthrough on a clean save file on it -- it's required to unlock one specific weapon and it's cumbersome to do unless you start anew.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Soren on August 28, 2014, 06:22:00 PM
I know my last forum topic was a bad idea (I'll own up to it) but here's another thought I had on Bayonetta 2. What if Nintendo released Bayonetta 1 on the eshop today for a price tag of 9.99 as of today, and then were to offer anyone who buys it part two for 29.99-39.99?
So you want to cut the earnings potential of a game that's not expected to sell well in the first place. Sounds legit.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on August 29, 2014, 10:45:56 AM
US PR:
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Bayonetta 2: The witch is back on Oct. 24. The game features over-the-top battles with wild weapons that take place in gorgeous set pieces. A new snake transformation lets Bayonetta better navigate underwater. The original Bayonetta game, complete with some Nintendo cosplay options for the powerful heroine, comes bundled with the retail packaged version of Bayonetta 2
Waiting for PAL date...
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on September 02, 2014, 06:10:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bwj1NVpIcAEG313.jpg)
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Post by: Stratos on September 02, 2014, 07:44:46 PM
Will Nintendo offer DLC or pre-order bonuses for this game as well? This is turning into a very exciting holiday season.
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Post by: Adrock on September 02, 2014, 07:54:21 PM
A Nintendo direct, hmm? We got a Super Smash Bros. debut trailer during the last one.
HashtagBayonetta4SmashBros4WiiU3DS
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Post by: Stratos on September 02, 2014, 08:12:34 PM
Watch, Bayonetta will be the first announced DLC character for Smash and you can get her in Smash for free if you get and register Bayonetta 2 on Club Nintendo.
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Post by: Adrock on September 02, 2014, 08:56:56 PM
If that's the case, I'll be getting Bayonetta for free because hashtagtwogamesforthepriceofoneomfgwhatvaluelmaobbq
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Post by: rlse9 on September 02, 2014, 09:32:53 PM
What's Nintendo's Nintendo Direct to games released ratio been recently? I'm going to guess that they've done more Nintendo Directs this year than games they have released.
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Post by: Shaymin on September 02, 2014, 10:08:40 PM
What's Nintendo's Nintendo Direct to games released ratio been recently? I'm going to guess that they've done more Nintendo Directs this year than games they have released.
In North America? Less than 1.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on September 03, 2014, 11:03:55 AM
Bayonetta will be a clone of Zero Suit Samus, MARK IT DOWN. Ever since they split the character into 2 and gave ZSS those jump boots, I've been saying this.
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Post by: Ceric on September 03, 2014, 03:52:31 PM
Bayonetta will be a clone of Zero Suit Samus, MARK IT DOWN. Ever since they split the character into 2 and gave ZSS those jump boots, I've been saying this.
If Bayonetta makes the cut, I can't see her being a clone of Zero Suit Samus. It wouldn't make a lot of sense. Neither does Ganondorf being clone of Captain Falcon, but the situation is different. Bayonetta would presumably be included to help market Bayonetta 2. The timing couldn't be better. We're getting a Bayonetta Nintendo Direct a little over a week before Super Smash Bros. For 3DS is released in Japan, which is being released a week before Bayonetta 2. If Nintendo is going to go through all this trouble, making Bayonetta a clone of a veteran character is a really weak way to get people exciting about the upcoming game. Then again, Nintendo does weird things.
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Post by: Soren on September 04, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwuMmwiCMAAjxn3.png)
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Post by: Oblivion on September 04, 2014, 06:24:09 PM
Holy ****
I need this game now.
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Post by: Soren on September 04, 2014, 06:29:55 PM
Dat eShop discount tho...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwuOiKPIMAA2kFY.jpg)
EDIT: Also, Europe wins again... (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwuO1DNIcAAxmM-.png)
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Post by: Adrock on September 04, 2014, 06:35:54 PM
No mention of Super Smash Bros. The dream is dead. Boo/hiss
This game looks so absurdly and hilariously over-the-top, more so than the original. I don't get the impression that Platinum Games means for any of it to be taken seriously. Bayonetta is like a parody of sexiness. If I'm interpreting that wrong, I might uncomfortably cringe too much to be able to finish the game.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 04, 2014, 06:47:22 PM
That's a subtle hint from Sakurai that Bayonetta's in Smash not as an alt of Zero Suit Samus but of Fox. The Landmaster will be especially out of place in her case.
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Post by: azeke on September 04, 2014, 07:06:38 PM
People who find similarities between Samus and Bayo are showing that they have zero idea who they are and how they actually look like and behave.
I am guessing that's because they didn't play any games in either series (which is a fair assumption for overwhelming majority).
This game looks so absurdly and hilariously over-the-top, more so than the original. I don't get the impression that Platinum Games means for any of it to be taken seriously. Bayonetta is like a parody of sexiness. If I'm interpreting that wrong, I might uncomfortably cringe too much to be able to finish the game.
Bayo makes you uncomfortable on purpose. She is sexy and flaunts it to make you feel inferior and weak. She is the dominatrix and is always in control.
Bayo is secretly what feminism is all about. Or should be.
It's even written inside the first game's plot. The way how Cereza (little girl from 1st game) sees her as a positive strong female role model is a major plot pint.
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Post by: azeke on September 04, 2014, 07:24:29 PM
This game looks so absurdly and hilariously over-the-top, more so than the original. I don't get the impression that Platinum Games means for any of it to be taken seriously. Bayonetta is like a parody of sexiness. If I'm interpreting that wrong, I might uncomfortably cringe too much to be able to finish the game.
Bayo makes you uncomfortable on purpose. She is sexy and flaunts it to make you feel inferior and weak. She is the dominatrix and is always in control.
Bayo is secretly what feminism is all about. Or should be.
It's even written inside the first game's plot. The way how Cereza (little girl from 1st game) sees her as a positive strong female role model is a major plot pint.
I haven't played Bayonetta, but have the same concern as Adrock going in.
Bayonetta looks like a high quality game with fantastic action and cute Nintendo-based fan service added in. It's a great value to get both games in one package. And it's not like Wii U is getting tons of games released - it's dangerously close to "Bayonetta or nothing" in the Fall.
But that level of sexualization definitely exceeds what I'm normally comfortable with. Even if it is wrapped into the plot, trying to justify overt sexualization of women as a form of empowerment usually doesn't work for me (especially when the target market is very clearly a young male audience). Even if azeke is entirely right, trying to explain that it's really a form of strong female imagery instead of "sexy fun time" to anyone -- including my friends, wife, or daughter -- if they weer to see only a small portion of the game seems like a tough sell.
Still buying because I really like Platinum as a studio and am a Wii U-only gamer... but worried that I'll end up feeling too uncomfortable to actually play through the game.
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Post by: Adrock on September 05, 2014, 08:49:27 AM
But that level of sexualization definitely exceeds what I'm normally comfortable with. Even if it is wrapped into the plot, trying to justify overt sexualization of women as a form of empowerment usually doesn't work for me (especially when the target market is very clearly a young male audience).
That sexualization as empowerment in a game marketed to this particular audience is what makes me skeptical of the game being a commentary on feminism. That message gets lost somewhere in the midst of all the crotch shots. Bayonetta tries too hard and the game is way too pandering to be taken seriously which is why I think it works as parody. More powerful attacks are marked by Bayonetta shedding clothes/hair. Everything about that is ridiculous. Giving Platinum Games the benefit of the doubt, I'm hoping for self-awareness, that Bayonetta was designed to gently mock the people who drool over "sexy" video game characters. If Platinum Games intends for Bayonetta to be a symbol of feminism, I'd find that to be cringe-worthy because they're missing the point entirely. I'd be embarrassed for them.
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Post by: azeke on September 05, 2014, 09:11:24 AM
Shunning female sexuality is very far from definition of feminism. Saying that Bayo should cover herself and be less provocative is slut shaming and leads to stuff like hijabs.
When you confess that you are uncomfortable with such fierce display of Bayo completely dominating everyone you're saying that women should be more demure and passive and sexually aggresiive women majorly turn you off and scare you.
But i would like to close the subject, because this is very clearly cultural/beliefs thing and i won't be able to convince you, even if am objectively right.
How about we discuss the actual gameplay? There is so much more to Platinum games than just asses. Like industry leading combat systems.
Sometimes i wish i haven't played Bayonetta becuase it makes other, lesser, action games feel positively primitive.
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Post by: ejamer on September 05, 2014, 09:50:35 AM
... When you confess that you are uncomfortable with such fierce display of Bayo completely dominating everyone you're saying that women should be more demure and passive and sexually aggresiive women majorly turn you off and scare you. ...
You might want to close the convo, but I'm not willing to on that note.
When talking about objectively wrong, the statement above qualifies. My discomfort comes from the strong suspicion that this is all a sexual fantasy for guys instead of a form of empowerment for women. My discomfort comes with how the topic is interpreted by people around me who don't play through the game to get the full story.
I'm glad you are comfortable with the imagery and messaging. It doesn't make the concern others feel any less valid. (And that's my piece. I'm comfortable ending now.)
Edit: Interesting to note that people voicing concerns haven't played, while people who have played are ok with the game. Could be a handful of reasons for this.
As you say, though, gameplay is a big part of the reason I'm willing to overlook these concerns for now and buy anyway. Platinum knows what they are doing when it comes to fantastic action games.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 05, 2014, 10:14:58 AM
I didn't play much of the first one, it gets boring pretty fast but I don't think the game was pandering I think it was more like Azeke says. I am not a feminists though so I don't see things through that lens. The game didn't turn me on sexually no video game does I am not a deviant, I say the same for anime and comic book characters but don't take the deviant remark seriously. I just don't get turned on by those things. What I did play of Bayonetta one was it was a mindless beat em up, which I normally like but the stupid story was too in your face the cut scenes are built into the action and could not be skipped, I hated that I just want to play a game not have it preach to me.
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Post by: Adrock on September 05, 2014, 10:23:41 AM
Shunning female sexuality is very far from definition of feminism. Saying that Bayo should cover herself and be less provocative is slut shaming and leads to stuff like hijabs.
When you confess that you are uncomfortable with such fierce display of Bayo completely dominating everyone you're saying that women should be more demure and passive and sexually aggresiive women majorly turn you off and scare you.
But i would like to close the subject, because this is very clearly cultural/beliefs thing and i won't be able to convince you, even if am objectively right.
Edit: Interesting to note that people voicing concerns haven't played, while people who have played are ok with the game. Could be a handful of reasons for this.
I've played the first game, not a lot of it, but I have played it. That said, I'm not uncomfortable with Bayonetta or her portrayal as a dom; I'm uncomfortable with Platinum Games thinking they're making some big statement on feminism. Bayonetta is a strong character in the game world, but when viewed as media, it is appealing to the lowest common denominator, especially given its target audience. If this isn't parody, their intentions and actions clash; it's as if they don't know what message they want to portray. It's certainly their prerogative to create a sexualized video game character, but I'm not buying the notion that this was all for femininism.
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Post by: azeke on September 05, 2014, 10:27:58 AM
What I did play of Bayonetta one was it was a mindless beat em up, which I normally like but the stupid story was too in your face the cut scenes are built into the action and could not be skipped,
All cutscenes are skippable either by pressing Start or by using instant shortcut Select-RT.
Not sure how it was on PS3 though, with how broken that port they could have very well botched even that.
The story in 1 was definitely stupid, i give you that. Here's hoping the story will be closer to W101 which had a great plot than to Bayo 1.
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Post by: ejamer on September 05, 2014, 12:05:25 PM
... The story in 1 was definitely stupid, i give you that. Here's hoping the story will be closer to W101 which had a great plot than to Bayo 1.
If picking between Bayonetta (Wii U version of the first game) or W101 to play first, any suggestions? I'm keen on a Platinum game for the Fall and haven't made up my mind which to play and which to save for later.
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Post by: Soren on September 05, 2014, 12:46:12 PM
That said, I'm not uncomfortable with Bayonetta or her portrayal as a dom; I'm uncomfortable with Platinum Games thinking they're making some big statement on feminism.
You're Winner!!
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on September 05, 2014, 02:07:52 PM
I'm uncomfortable with Platinum Games thinking they're making some big statement on feminism.
A lot of assumptions in this sentence about game you didn't played enough and developer you know little of.
Makng statements and delivering profound messages is not what Platinum Games is about. They are about making cool games, first, second, third and hundred first.
Pitch for Bayonetta was to recreate Dante (of Devil May Cry (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=41328.msg844485#msg844485) series) from scratch. So they inverted him and instead of a dude killing demons they got a lady slaughtering angels.
If picking between Bayonetta (Wii U version of the first game) or W101 to play first, any suggestions? I'm keen on a Platinum game for the Fall and haven't made up my mind which to play and which to save for later.
Either are fine i believe, as long as you're not turning tutorials off.
Bayo has a more "traditional" gameplay so that helps if you have an experience of playing other game in the genre (DMC, modern Ninja Gaiden and such).
There is no more satisfying genre of games to learn and master. Fighting games maybe, but that requires local community and getting a bit more gud than i am capable of, while character action games are all about singleplayer experience.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on September 05, 2014, 03:27:58 PM
A lot of assumptions in this sentence about game you didn't played enough and developer you know little of.
More assumptions from you, specifically about my exposure to the game and what I know of the developer, but nice try attempting to throw that back at me.
I've watched the cutscenes and watched some Let's Plays (mainly because I didn't think I'd ever get a chance to play through a good version of the game). I may not have played through the entire game, but I've seen enough of it. In what I've actually played, Bayonetta shed a lot of clothes/hair which isn't terribly difficult to do in the game. I don't need to see that hundreds more times to come to these conclusions.
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Makng statements and delivering profound messages is not what Platinum Games is about. They are about making cool games, first, second, third and hundred first.
/infinite facepalm
You're the one trying to make the case that Bayonetta is about feminism and that this was Platinum Games' agenda all along by pointing out plot significance.
My comments about this aspect of the game hinge entirely on whether Bayonetta is or is not parody. In this case, I can appreciate it more from an entertainment standpoint if it's done a tongue-in-cheek manner; that's certainly how I've been interpreting it. If that interpretation is incorrect and Bayonetta is about feminism as you say, that changes things. Context matters. Bayonetta is laughably absurd, and if, IF Platinum Games means for any of it to be taken seriously, that, to me, would extremely cringe-worthy. That might be too distracting to play through the game. It'd be like watching a melodramatic movie where the actors are hamming it up. Ain't nobody got time for that.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: ejamer on September 05, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
... Either are fine i believe, as long as you're not turning tutorials off. ...
Thanks. I often enjoy the same games you talk about, so value the opinion.
It depends on work affecting how long it takes to finish off WindWaker... but if both games are equally top-notch then W101 will likely be getting some burn before long.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Stratos on September 05, 2014, 07:47:31 PM
I am uncomfortable by how all of these mostly male gamers suddenly become crusaders of decency and modesty when I bet you most of them watch porn and masturbate daily. Games and films and other forms of media will be outrageous because producers are always pushing the envelope - and is sells. This is going to happen and most of us agree to a point that it is despicable. Stop whining about it. Women have boobs. Males will obsess over them and display that obsession in their work. Get over it and move on.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Oblivion on September 05, 2014, 08:05:35 PM
wut
Men can support feminism just as much as a white guy can protest for civil rights. I don't think you should be telling those people to shut up about it. This is 2014, you're the one who needs to get over it and move on.
Out of curiosity, how old are you? 30? 35?
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Soren on September 05, 2014, 09:37:24 PM
Stop whining about it. Women have boobs. Males will obsess over them and display that obsession in their work. Get over it and move on.
Nope.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Stratos on September 05, 2014, 09:51:57 PM
I'm not talking about feminism. I'm all for everyone being given the same rights and feminisim is an understandable and bold response to a historical lack of equal rights for both sexes.
I'm talking about people complaining about overly sexualized characters in videogames. It isn't as bad here as it is on some other forums and even other threads here so perhaps this wasn't the best spot to voice it. It just seems every time I read about Bayonetta or Hyrule Warriors there will be people complaining about how overly sexualized the characters are - and it is OK to have your opinions if they are different from mine if you feel it has crossed your threshold of tolerance. I just feel sure there are people out there being vocal about it who then go on their computers and watch porn, which flies in the face of the complaints they are voicing, as this objectifies women. I'm not pointing anyone out here specifically as I do not know anyone's hearts on these issues. I'm just pointing out the absurdity and hypocrisy I feel takes place across the web.
I'm getting deja vu so I suspect I have already made this statement before in some fashion and will drop it.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on September 05, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
As i said, there is no convincing people set in their own set (wrong) ways about things they know very little about.
Women have boobs. Males will obsess over them and display that obsession in their work. Get over it and move on.
I will never stop correcting people thinking Bayonetta is some kinda monstrous titcow. She is not.
Tits and asses...
How about gameplay, no? Nothing, nobody? Okay.
How about amazing usage of every single controller button in Bayonetta -- and different actions depending on timing and duration of the press?
How about incredibly fluid dodging that is activated just by one press of a trigger (compared to traditional DMC where rolls are harder to pull off). On Wii U it will be even better because triggr are digital and faster to press.
How about innovative dodge offset idea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOVVmm4KOm4) that solves the problem of breaking you combo when used defensive move.
How about Wicked Weaves that are rewarding powerful moves at the end of most combos and are the reason you want keep your combo uninterrupted?
How about incredibly satisfying Moon of Mahaa Kalaa move where you can block everything simply by twitching the stick toward incoming enemy?
How about combo multiplier system that sometimes turns encounters into puzzles of sorts where you need to do very specific actions to reach required combo points value (some action ony boost points, some only boost multiplier value)?
How about instantly switchable weapons that have unique effectsand combos of their own?
But yeah that is too boring and acrually requires one to play the game, ef that.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on September 06, 2014, 12:35:35 AM
As i said, there is no convincing people set in their own set (wrong) ways about things they know very little about.
Oh, other people are just wrong. Your arrogance is astounding.
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I will never stop correcting people thinking Bayonetta is some kinda monstrous titcow. She is not.
Who is saying this?
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How about gameplay, no? Nothing, nobody? Okay.
You want to talk about the gameplay in a game that isn't out yet? Has anyone here even played Bayonetta 2 at E3? I haven't so I have nothing to add. I suppose we can use the first Bayonetta as a basis, but that isn't really the same thing. And in case you haven't noticed, no one else here has obsessively played the 360 version like you have. If you want to talk about the first Bayonetta in the meantime, start a Bayonetta thread. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll get back to you in October regarding Bayonetta 2's gameplay.
And you're just as responsible for this arm of the discussion as the rest of us as you were the first to respond to my "parody of sexiness" post. You brought up feminism first and steered the conversation in that direction so if you didn't want to talk about, maybe you shouldn't have brought it up because we're just responding to a discussion you wanted to have.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on September 06, 2014, 12:53:01 AM
You want to talk about the gameplay in a game that isn't out yet? Has anyone here even played Bayonetta 2 at E3?
Every gameplay feature i mentioned (every single one) is actually from Bayonetta 1, the game i spent hundreds of hours playing. Bayonetta 2 only builds up on it, and honestly there isn't much they added or changed in the sequel. Even the video i linked to specifically says it's Bayonetta 1.
You're just being confrontational at this point for no reason.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 06, 2014, 12:59:18 AM
I guess being 2014 means we somehow passed some magical point in time where everybody is wrong and only the kids are right. Sounds like something a teenager would say.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Oblivion on September 06, 2014, 01:11:00 AM
I guess being 2014 means we somehow passed some magical point in time where everybody is wrong and only the kids are right. Sounds like something a teenager would say.
Unfortunately for you, I am not a teenager. Nice try though. Feel free to actually join this debate instead of sitting in the sidelines spouting meaningless gibberish.
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Who is saying this?
I'm pretty sure Stratos said something to that effect, but I'm not really sure what anyone is trying to say anymore.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on September 06, 2014, 01:18:04 AM
We're all around thirty guys here discussing the most pointless stuff on internet forums here.
Stop fighting and play some videogames, guys. Or go out, isn't it friday night for you?
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Ymeegod on September 06, 2014, 01:34:37 AM
What I remember about Bayonetta and also what I loved.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 06, 2014, 01:35:00 AM
Alright you want a real discussion I will give it you, but don't post an ignorant TL:DR bullshit remark if you can't accept what I have to say.
You come in here with a snide remark about how it is 2014 somehow that means everybody is just supposed to agree with your views for no reason even if they are wrong. You think your the only one with convictions when you don't even know what your fighting for. Political discussion is forbidden but ideology is given a free pass apparently so here goes. You said your self you were only 17, that was the last indication of your age I remember reading, I am not a stalker I don't go digging up information on people who claim to be 17 so I took that at face value. Maybe you are older now I don't know but I don't need to know you are young to know you are wrong.
You called Stratos out for being over 30 implying anyone over thirty would be out of touch or ignorant or oldfashioned or whatever point you were trying to make. There was nothing intelligent about your argument just a snarky comment, something a child would say not a grown adult. A grown adult would do exactly what I did, correct the child who made a mistake so that the child would learn from their mistake. Since you do not seem willing to learn I might be wasting my time trying to educate you in the first place.
I don't care if my views are popular or if they differ form yours the intelligent thing to do is to listen to both sides of a discussion and logically decide which view you personally agree with, not to just close your mind to the other side and make comments of the nature that you did. I even went so far as to try to get you to calm down and even pleaded with a certain mod not to ban you, I even offered to accept a temp ban in your place. You know nothing of maturity so let me explain it to you.
Knowledge is power, you I am sure agree with that. Your generation, as was mine before we actually have done more than you give us credit for, still let me dodge that and stick with knowledge for a second. If we are going to have any kind of discussion using intellect alone you have to concede that there is a certain amount of wisdom that comes with age, not just maturity but wisdom, something you learn by living not by reading books. Still I would probably bet I have read more books than you so if you want to have a discussion here it is.
Feminism is now what we are debating but the ignorance that youth can supersede the intelligence and wisdom of an older generation. I know you are younger than 25, you admitted to that recently I thought you were still a teenager but nevertheless it is a scientific fact that the frontal lobe does not finish developing until later 20's past 25 by most accounts. So at the very least I can deduce that scientifically speaking your brain is still not fully developed therefore I can assume with great significance that you are still developing which means you are not as mature as you think. Also it means that someone whose brain has finished developing is in a better position to actually lecture an immature younger person when they are mouthing off about things they know nothing about, or at least nothing beyond what they hear but not experience first hand.
I won't even get into the civil rights issue because you assume that because I am over 30 I must be racist, except it was my PARENTS generation that fought for equal rights, MY generation continued the struggle and all you did was read about it in a book. I don't have to have what you call facts to support my views I have 32 years of human experience on this earth dealing with other people, I have 5 years of college education under my belt and I have read more books than I care to remember so I think it is safe to say I have at my disposal the resources to make assumptions about you which all you did was prove right by the way you acted.
You want some truth, I know first hand the struggles of the LGBT community, my sister is a bisexual and I have friends who are homosexual. I can tell you I know more about bigotry than you will ever know but you hide behind your little computer desk and act all big because you think it makes you feel better. I grew up in Nevada in a town where white people were the minority and my roomate for a long time was a homosexual black man. Don't pretend that just because I am a certain age I can't have certain views.
Here is what I know, we all need support nobody is arguing that. I struggle with my feelings and I struggle living in a society that preaches that one way of living is wrong an another is right. My age has nothing to do with it except if you want to bring that up, when were the first gay marches held? Which generation has done more for the struggle. If you want to argue feminism is something only a young person would support you are the one who is mistaken. I may or may not agree with your views but to ignorantly call someone else's views into question purely based on their age was ignorant of YOU not me, all I did was attempt to show you the flaw in your argument. But no you think because you got pissed off it somehow makes you righteous or something.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 06, 2014, 02:00:22 AM
I think uttering the word feminism should be bannable as its a politically charged ideology anyways. If you don't think I can derail a thread you have another thing coming. What was the discussion anyways, how having big tits means you can't be feminist? Or having big tits makes you feminist? Or having a cartoon character with big tits makes you a pervert? I don't think the thread has been on topic for a while now. Honestly I think the mods let us get away with this **** because if they banned everyone in this thread, which they should do we all broke the no politics rule, they would basically have to shut down the damn site.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on September 06, 2014, 02:02:34 AM
but not to be outdone let me also throw a video game related comment in there for good measure just incase someone decides to salvage this mess anyways. This game is not going to save the Wii U, weather you think th Wii U needs saving or not. This game is going to be five minutes of fun and once that's over people will forget about it. I think it will sell fewer than Wonderful 101 and then what will Nintendo do?
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 06, 2014, 02:40:56 AM
I disagree with your premise that feminism is an inherently political topic, though the line between "politics" and "not politics" gets pretty blurry in places, and my stance in terms of moderation is more of a laissez faire approach; I try not to kill discussions unless I have to.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on September 06, 2014, 08:53:40 AM
I am talking about the game i know. Other people make assumptions based on youtube gameplays.
Sigh. And another condescending comment from you...
I don't see why it matters that I watched the cutscenes and some Let's Plays regarding this arm of the discussion. We weren't discussing gameplay, the best way to take down a boss, the best combos to use etc. You brought up feminism and plot significance, neither of which are gameplay related topics, thus do not require completion of the game in order to discuss. Nothing I've seen of the rest of the game changes my opinion of what I played of the beginning.
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Every gameplay feature i mentioned (every single one) is actually from Bayonetta 1, the game i spent hundreds of hours playing. Bayonetta 2 only builds up on it, and honestly there isn't much they added or changed in the sequel. Even the video i linked to specifically says it's Bayonetta 1.
Many people here have not played any version of the game, and the Wii U version will be their first opportunity to do so. Until that happens, no one is really in a position to talk about the gameplay.
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You're just being confrontational at this point for no reason.
No reason? Come on, now. You've peppered what was an otherwise decent discussion with your typical arrogant and condescending comments. Those are the reasons. At several points, you could have responded in a normal and respectful manner, yet you chose to condescend to others. Not cool and I refuse to sit here and let you talk to me and others like that. You're free to do so, but expect to be called out on it.
Look, some of us just don't agree with your claims that Bayonetta is about feminism. Thus far, you've relied on straw man ("Saying Bayonetta should cover herself..." No one said that.), redirection ("Makng statements and delivering profound messages is not what Platinum Games is about." You brought that up.), and flat-out elitism (too many to list) to derail the views of others. If that's the way you want to go with this, well, I guess we're done here.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Manthony Chopkins on September 07, 2014, 12:18:02 AM
With Bayonetta's new Fox McCloud costume, Kamiya can finally make the Starfox game he always wanted to make!! :cool;
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on September 07, 2014, 12:54:48 AM
And here I was hoping azeke's reply was going to be...
Come on guys, don't start the routine "i correct people using actual facts about the game and linking to videos while you talk about things you don't know and then get inexplicably angry when shown wrong repeatedly" all over again ;)
Why were you "hoping" to see this again? Do you enjoy shitposting more than gameplay discussion? I don't.
I am honestly trying to make it a decent thread here by trying to spread the love and fix a few mistakes.
Come on, guys. Look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFbcw_LTTI
Isn't it amazing? How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIcoFOosS9U
This is what i want to talk about. Feel free to ask me how any of the things in the videos are done if anything peaked your interest. And the best thing is -- you can totally learn to do this yourselves with enough practice.
I will try to be a bigger man from now on and refrain from responses outside of topic...
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on September 07, 2014, 10:15:50 AM
Wait, wait, wait... so you don't want us to use youtube videos to discuss topics that can be discussed without gameplay ("Other people make assumptions based on youtube gameplays."), but you want us to watch youtube videos to discuss gameplay before even having played the game?
You are impossible. (http://i.imgur.com/btttlk9.gif)
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Shaymin on September 07, 2014, 10:44:18 PM
(http://i.minus.com/i9KvzGLPtbfmj.gif)
GAWD DAMN I have the strangest boner right now
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Khushrenada on September 08, 2014, 12:05:33 PM
And IGN interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcAHdFufiQI
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 18, 2014, 03:16:27 AM
Wow...what happened?
I don't even know what this is about.
Are we talking about gaming and the representation of women in games? Are we asking if this game is sexist or feminist? Does it even really matter?
For my two cents. I loved the irony of the developers talking about creating a strong female character, capable of some of the most badass moves that and attacks that male gaming characters don't get...and then dressing her in sexy outfits and stating that the big change was giving her glasses to look smart and supposedly a realistic female body.
It is funny to me, because I feel like there are two different feminist movements out there. One movement is what I consider true feminism and is looking for true equality and protect for women in the workplace, government, and life. These are people trying to fight the glass ceiling, the difficulty of women running for office, and stop abuses that were/are sometimes overlooked by society.
Then there are the feminists that want woman to be just like men...and it seems there main push in this realm is sexuality. Now, before I get labeled. I think it is quite awful that there is a double standard against women in promiscuity and sexuality...and I think the idea it is OK for men and not for women is awful. And conservative people that had this mindset always had a double standard. They could not live by their own moral code and so forced it on the "fairer" sex so that they can feel less guilty doing what they wanted. However, I am to say the answer to this isn't to sexualize women as much as men, but to actually live by the true standards of your morals for both genders.
Now again, before I get labelled. I am not saying people need to live by my moral codes...what I am saying is these people that setup this "sexual oppression" against women, did so not for any of their own moral or ethical codes, but because they were selfish, and if they want to keep them for their own personal values then they need to strictly hold both genders accountable...and so if the major culture still finds values in these ethics and morals then it should push the more conservative role on the offenders not push the for the subjected to become more like the perpetrators. That is backwards logic.
So when I look at this video and it claims she is a strong, feminist character I laugh...because it me it is a stereotypical male oriented view on what he wants for a strong feminist...not necessarily what is truly good for women.
Again, just my view. What does this have to do with the game. Actually I think nothing. The game is what it is. And I do not think what the creators claim or not claim the character to be takes anything away from it.
So what is the game? A 3D action-hack'N slash game with a female protagonist that uses magic which requires her to strip down and bare her body for the most powerful attacks. To me this sounds like satire of the highest kind on the gaming community...but even that is subject to debate.
Also I think the rant above was quite rude against the other poster and you could have made the same rant and post without sounding angry and offended at the other person. And if you wanted to sound that way, I am sorry that person made you feel like such...but it was an uncalled for tone.
EDIT:
Wow after reading the comments of this debate. I kinda wish I didn't get involved. But some things annoyed me.
About the idea of hypocrisy from men. I think this is an annoying and foolish argument. First, it states that if you are not perfectly on the side of an issue then you can't support it. A good example of my point is the chocolate industry. I probably should not eat any chocolate unless I know 100% the chocolate does not use child labor, but I do. That does not mean I can't still be against child labor, and call companies out that use child labor.
Plus, for argument sake could you not argue that some porn supports women having a stronger, healthier sexuality in culture. (This to me is a sick argument that I do not support, but I think it holds.)
Another point is if someone objects to nudity then they must be afraid of sexually strong characters. NOT SO...it could mean that I want women to be strong and can be sexually strong, but I don't need them to be stripping to show that. You know, because that is how men show everyone they are sexually strong, by taking off their clothes in a fight.
Finally, parody and satire must be very careful not to truly become what they are mocking. If you become it...or even worse become an overly exaggerated form of it...are you really making awareness or are you exploiting just as much? I remember a comic character Joe "Mad" created with boobs 3X the size of a normal woman. His logic was he was doing satire...but actually it seemed like he was worse and just exploiting the same ideas of comic book women.
The point is...everyone is fighting the system the wrong way. Do you want to prove that gaming has a poor image of what female video game characters should be. Then make a different image. So a strong female character dressed and behaving like strong women do in the real world. Write their story and dialog in such that you see they are strong physically and are not bullied or weak in any way. You can make her attractive, but dress her realistically for the situation at hand.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on September 18, 2014, 03:48:05 AM
New Famitsu scans: (http://i.imgur.com/RjMmNNv.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/RjMmNNv.jpg)
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on September 27, 2014, 07:11:46 PM
A great write up and some comparison videos of Bayonetta on Wii U, 360, and PS3. (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-bayonetta-wii-u-face-off)
TLDR: The Wii U version is essentially on par with the 360 version. The PS3 version is still awful. 360 version has better light bloom. Wii U version has better shadows, less screen tearing, and more importantly to me, better load times even with the other versions loaded onto a hard drive. Impressive!
I only had access to the PS3 version which is partially why I gave up on even trying to play the original Bayonetta so I'm glad I finally get a second chance with arguably the best version of the game. Hooray for things working out in the end.
Bayonetta on Wii U vs Bayonetta on 360
Bayonetta on Wii U vs. what's supposed to be Bayonetta on PS3
Frame-rate comparison of all three versions.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 27, 2014, 08:12:31 PM
Sadly, sales are in the exact opposite order as framerate.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 29, 2014, 11:44:49 AM
Sadly, sales are in the exact opposite order as framerate.
You seem to be taking a lot of pleasure in the (arguably) low Japan sales. I don't get it?
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 29, 2014, 11:58:05 AM
I think it's more just Brandogg being Brandogg. He's pretty much always a sarcastic asshole, and I mean that in the best possible way.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 29, 2014, 12:08:28 PM
I wouldn't say I take pleasure, otherwise I would say "Happily." I have no stock in Bayonetta's sales. Once again, I wish I could applaud insano. Things are getting weird.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 29, 2014, 01:38:28 PM
You just keep going on about it. And not in a lovable-IanSane-I've-been-repeating-the-same-negative-crap-for-12-years kind of way.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 29, 2014, 11:59:34 PM
It's the only thing to talk about on Wii U these days. I said a lot of nice things about Mario Kart 8. I imagine I'll have nice things to say about Smash Bros as well (though to be fair I've never really enjoyed any Smash Bros game).
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 30, 2014, 12:07:56 AM
It's the only thing to talk about on Wii U these days. I said a lot of nice things about Mario Kart 8. I imagine I'll have nice things to say about Smash Bros as well (though to be fair I've never really enjoyed any Smash Bros game).
Don't **** up other thread with sales talk since that's not what they're about. Either talk about the actual game in this thread or just don't post at all. It's really that simple.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 30, 2014, 12:13:12 AM
I only mentioned sales one time in this thread. That's hardly shitting up the thread.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 30, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
Discussing the sales of a game in its specific thread is a perfectly legitimate thing to do.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: ObbyDent on September 30, 2014, 01:19:08 AM
Don't **** up other thread with sales talk since that's not what they're about. Either talk about the actual game in this thread or just don't post at all. It's really that simple.
Is it though? Who the hell are you to say what can and can't be said about the game? Considering this is the Bayonetta thread, why the hell would Bayonetta 2 sales numbers be off limits?
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 30, 2014, 02:18:32 AM
First rule about Fight Club: Don't talk about the sales of Fight Club.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Stratos on September 30, 2014, 08:27:02 PM
I thought the Fight Club game sold terribly?
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 30, 2014, 08:31:35 PM
No one would never know, since talking about sales of that game in threads about the game is strictly forbidden.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: nickmitch on September 30, 2014, 11:19:09 PM
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on October 09, 2014, 10:25:34 AM
I'll download this when I get home from work. Apparently, the demo has a 15 use limit. Goddammit, Nintendo...
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on October 09, 2014, 11:00:43 AM
Impressions:
"Remaining uses: 15" -- **** you Nintendo. I guess i will keep my console on until full game hits then.
Adjusting to Wii U gamepad takes a while and some of the actions are remapped a bit. That's what you get after playing 200+ hours of Bayonetta 1 on xbox controller.
No abilities, no tetsuzanko or afterburner kick or weapons unlocked it seems D:
Occasional jaggies D: It wasn't as pronounced in first game because environments were all very rounded and never had any straight lines in them (Vigrid which has a very 30-40s look and Paradiso where everything is natural and circular). While in the demo we have an urban city and skyscraper lines have very visible jaggies.
Very smooth though -- feels better than first game already, or maybe it's warmer colour pallette...
Combos are rehashed significantly -- i can't find my favourite combo with roundhouse sweeps that i use for cheesing levels.
Many of new combos suddenly have launching finisher hits (not Wicked Weaves)
And most importantly:
HOLY **** I AM PLAYING BAYONETTA 2
HOLY ****
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 09, 2014, 11:20:43 AM
It's better than Capcom's 3-play limit for the Dead Rising 3 demo on Xbone.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on October 09, 2014, 12:59:34 PM
My face when playing the demo: (http://abload.de/img/wiiu_screenshot_tv_018krqb.jpg) (http://abload.de/img/wiiu_screenshot_tv_01gmxtz.jpg) ^ uploaded from wii u
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 09, 2014, 02:05:48 PM
SWEETMOTHER! THIS GAME! I haven't played a game like this in quite sometime. THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Ymeegod on October 09, 2014, 04:12:28 PM
Just finished up the demo --three gold metals first playthrough. Evade works to well, all you have do is smash the evade button until witch time happens then switch to attack. A bit to much QTE's for my liking and I still hate the "new" Bayonetta look.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on October 09, 2014, 08:00:35 PM
I finally played through the demo. I had no idea what was going on. I kind of just attacked and dodged when the game let me, but there's so much **** flying every which way that I had trouble figuring out how much of it I was causing.
I'm not very good at these types of games, but as long as I can manage to get through each stage, I'll be happy. I have no interest in earning Pure Platinum medals, mostly because I'm fairly confident that I can't. I button-mash a little, and that's good enough for a Silver Medal. With some practice, I'm sure I'll get better. I'm not putting the time to perfect stages. I'm okay with that.
I really like Bayonetta, the character. She's so delightfully over-the-top. I'm still going with this being satire because it just works so well. I mean, the alternative is that this is all serious, and that hasn't worked out so well for these guys in the past.
I choose not to take Bayonetta seriously, and I think that's what makes her a fun character. "It's not Christmas without caviar." Haha, okay, Bayonetta.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on October 10, 2014, 01:59:47 AM
ChipCheezum's playthrough of a demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3kg7yrtKIo
Hoping after watching this i will be able to Pure Plat the demo...
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on October 10, 2014, 10:53:51 AM
If you want to take a quick glance into the complexity of Bayonetta's scoring system (with combo and medals) check out this tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXl6XSEnLPY It's for the first game, but it should also work for Bayo 2 as well.
It even works for W101 because it's scoring system is extremely similar to Bayo's
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Ceric on October 10, 2014, 11:20:47 AM
If you want to take a quick glance into the complexity of Bayonetta's scoring system (with combo and medals) check out this tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXl6XSEnLPY It's for the first game, but it should also work for Bayo 2 as well.
It even works for W101 because it's scoring system is extremely similar to Bayo's
I don't have speakers where I'm watching part of that and so I turned on the CC from Youtube. Oh my. This video has a very interesting engrish of a Closed Caption. As in talking about the number of Catholics you can get.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: ShyGuy on October 10, 2014, 07:51:48 PM
I stoned it through my first playthrough and got bronze-bronze-stone on my second try. This demo is 10x better than the first Bayonetta demo.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Mop it up on October 11, 2014, 02:32:05 PM
I tried the demo, it's okay. The controls aren't as complex as I thought they might be so that's a plus, but there's a lot of stuff going on and it's tough to keep track of everything. I almost got killed a couple of times in the demo, and I would have if there wasn't something that restored my health. Not sure what it was, whether it was a move or scene change or something. The theme of the game doesn't appeal to me at all.
I wasn't planning on buying this game and trying this demo just confirmed that.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 11, 2014, 03:42:12 PM
I specifically got the first on PS3 when this was announced to see what all the fuss was about. I liked the game but there was too much going on to follow it. One of the reasons why I lost interest in Smash Bros once Brawl hit the scene. I enjoy the gameplay style of Bayonetta but I don't like the clutter. I haven't tried the demo but I might see if I get to it this weekend maybe.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 11, 2014, 05:51:39 PM
It's sensory overload to the fullest extent! There is so much going on, its really hard to discern what the hell I'm doing but I'm having a helleva time doing it. Much like taking on a Star Destroyer with an X -wing, I love huge bosses that could be the final boss in any other game that wasn't made by Platinum*. I'm going full in on this bitch come Halloween.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 11, 2014, 05:54:44 PM
I keep forgetting to download the demo. Hopefully I'll catch Epilepsy when I play it.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 11, 2014, 06:01:58 PM
I keep forgetting to download the demo. Hopefully I'll catch Epilepsy when I play it.
It's like getting caught in some high-level Genjutsu.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 11, 2014, 11:50:50 PM
Just played the demo...it's not for me. It's basically like Devil May Cry on speed and LSD.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Shaymin on October 12, 2014, 12:24:25 AM
And Viagra.
I think I pre-called Bayo 2 as my 2014 GOTY at the end of last year. The demo has made me more confident in that selection.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: ShyGuy on October 12, 2014, 02:33:58 AM
These reactions seem weird. I am no huge player of Character action games, but I didn't think it was all that hard to keep track of. The demo felt more streamlined than Wonderful 101.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on October 12, 2014, 01:08:32 PM
I guess that's the best i can do...
I nearly memorized Verse 1 so can consistently Pure it: (http://abload.de/img/wiiu_screenshot_tv_01vmpy1.jpg) after around 20 retries or so
Then i fumble around on Verse 2 with a train, mess up my dodges and take damage, netting Silver.
Gomorra part is no problem at all, i already had it Pure'd a few times, but this time for some reason i took too much time and got Gold on time: (http://abload.de/img/wiiu_screenshot_tv_01e7upd.jpg)
Despite bad verse 2 i still get Platinum overall, which is around my level of play. (http://abload.de/img/wiiu_screenshot_tv_01wducr.jpg)
Even if i can platinum the entire game i usually pull rating up to Platinum by getting a few Pures and majority of Plats with some odd Golds or even Silvers where i was just not "gud" enough.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 14, 2014, 11:03:52 AM
Azeke, you so hardcore man! Looking forward to another player's guide thread for Bayo 2 like you did for W101 (https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=slhilu13e72sm7aff113p8puv4&topic=42616.msg808687#msg808687)
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on October 14, 2014, 03:33:46 PM
Azeke, you so hardcore man! Looking forward to another player's guide thread for Bayo 2 like you did for W101 (https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=slhilu13e72sm7aff113p8puv4&topic=42616.msg808687#msg808687)
There is no point for me to write a guide.
First Bayo is super casual friendy. Secondy, B2 appears to be very iterative over 1 mechanics wise, so majority of already available guides should work for 2 just fine. And lastly and most importantly, there are already much more talented people on the case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BNUfsCVIv8 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQeKbtsCa950sgzUWWrxLBQbDk_zpUhfB
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Mop it up on October 14, 2014, 07:32:44 PM
These reactions seem weird. I am no huge player of Character action games, but I didn't think it was all that hard to keep track of. The demo felt more streamlined than Wonderful 101.
I think my issue is that I was attempting to play more carefully and strategically, whereas from what other people have said, it would seem I'd be better off just mashing buttons.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on October 25, 2014, 09:08:52 AM
My fingers hurt.
I am playing both Bayonetta games basically non-stop since i downloaded them.
Bayonetta so far looks easier than first game. I picked "Third Climax" mode (this should correspond to Hard) and it's easier than Normal in original game. I am getting Platinums and Pure Platinums on first try: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSk-LbE58VYces) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAABUaXD1Y2IJA)
Level 3 with a boss killed me for the first time -- i just didn't know any of the tells. Next level also had a boss in the end and it was AMAZING. It starts with Bayo and Luman Sage fighting one on one and ends with giant forces of Heaven and Hell going at each other. I think i died like ten times there.
Playing both games from the start i get reminded how much stuff you have to buy before you get all upgrades. I am basically gridning, destroying everything on the levels for halos: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSk8dZomil19O_) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEw-9wpfw)
As i am playing Bayonetta 1 on Wii U, i started Platinum-ing levels: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSlJBVERy3KQZy) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAABUaXD3jNyvw) Yeah, it's nothing special on Normal, but i don't really have much in terms of upgrades (not having Bat Within that increases the timing window for Witch Time dodge messes me up because i become too reliant on it). I am fighting the temptation to resort to cheat codes to unlock everything i already have on Xbox.
Spent half of day trying to Pure Platinum first proper level after Prologue. It's surprisingly hard. Again without Bat Within there is always that one time where mess up my dodge and get hit. Or i forget about some secret mission or alfheim and this ruins overall score even if i got Pure Platinums on everything else: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSlAtDUnaezhq-) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAABUaXD2Q01lg)
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on October 26, 2014, 09:45:01 PM
First episode of Umbran Arts is out. When Saur said comprehensive he meant it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqzztvoVngY
I'd say there are even too many details of such minute and intuitive stuff like movement and targeting.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Stratos on October 27, 2014, 12:59:49 AM
Tried the demo finally and had a blast with the game. It was thankfully not as overwhelming as some of the videos made it seem. I suspect that it will ramp up at you progress but it did the job of making me more excited for the game. I suppose I should open up W101 and play through that before I get this game. Won't be grabbing it until some time next year when my possible raise kicks in.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on November 03, 2014, 01:48:09 AM
Despite having new Bayo 2 hotness, i find myself having way too much fun coming back to old reliable Bayo 1, on two platforms even. So i finished platinum run on Hard on 360, and started (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAABUaXD3jNyvw) Normal (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKExLImx2A) Pure (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAABUaXD96xDCw) Platinum (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEyDr_LcQ) run (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAAABUaXEPZLCNQ) on Wii U.
I had to almost force myself to put some times into 2 as well: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSnKc_knRy8tUH) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACaVCdUmu2xvw) (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSmHXhEa6LP8Gt) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAADtVCikNUkoKg) (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSmHVS8FSD_sKl) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACaVCdUZZVvdA)
While i haven't beaten the game yet (finished chapter IX last night), i can make some preliminary conclusions.
Bayonetta 2 is a very safe sequel. There is nothing mechanically new here. Instead it does away with bad stuff people didn't like (insta-death QTE and gimmick sections) and retreads on the same stuff 1 had.
First game was absolutely groundbreaking and brought a whole package of innovations and improvements into the action genre: witch time, extremely tight controls, dodge offset for flowing combos, ranking system that doesn't punish exploration.
The only gameplay feature from 1 to 2 looks to be Tag Climax online co-op mode, which i only played once, but it looks very fun.
You might even say there is a slight downgrade in enemy design now that some enemies and bosses of B2 are highly dependent on you activating Witch Time, while B1 had an entire difficulty mode past Hard without WT.
B1 was designed in a way so witch time is a crutch that you grow out of as you play the game. Once you really, really mastered the game -- you don't need witch time.
Story in B1 also i think was a bit better. It wasn't any good to begin with, mind you, plot in 1 was mostly incomprehensible but it was still charming in a way. In B2, the first story cutscene that made me care about what's going on happened last night in chapter IX which by my estimation is past the middle of a game.
At least, if you can't engage me with writing in the slightest, put some wacky scenes in. B1 had more crazy funny stuff, B2 feels way more somber and serious by comparison.
The main good thing B2 brings is great looking graphics and brighter colour palette.
Otherwise it's looking to be the weakest of all three Wii U Platinum games, but still an amazing game.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on November 03, 2014, 11:30:47 PM
This is the worst feeling: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSnaLtM4vWDLVF) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEyLE5dcw)
Pure Platinum streak ruined by a regular Platinum in the second to last verse...
After that i tried to do this level again twice but had to stop after getting unpure Platinums even earlier, so the sting isn't that bad but still it's rather crushing. I think i need to change something, maybe stop using shotguns because they kill enemies too fast.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on November 05, 2014, 12:07:01 AM
After banging my head against a wall trying to Pure Platinum that blasted level here ^ for the third day in a row, i've had enough and switched to 2.
As i unlocked more weapons game instantly became even better.
Hammer: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSnnfQAgA3CLXL) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEyQo7kgw) Very satisfying weapon to use -- swinging animation, charging, sound effects, impact.
Chainsaws on arms and legs: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSnn39wliM-kg0) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEyRK8PSA) Also super fun to use.
Rodin is just absolutely badass: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSnn5b0gM1EXdD) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEyRBWLPQ) The was a section when we fought together and i barely had to do anything -- he was wiping the floor with everyone and i barely had any enemy left for me. I can't wait to play as him in Tag Climax online mode.
Also, Ben Ruiz developer of upcoming beat'em'up game Aztez (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=43972.0) has posted Pure Platinum walkthrough of the first level of Bayo 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smKojt_XMzw
It's not "perfect" perfect (could have used some taunting), but it's showcases variety of weapons and strategy that goes into Pure Platinum runs very well.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on November 07, 2014, 07:15:05 PM
I started Bayonetta 1. Listening to Bootleg Joe Pesci is already old. I'm pretty much just mashing buttons and dodging. I looked up some of the unlocks. The one I want requires Platinum Medals on all chapters in Normal mode. Yeah... I don't think that's going to happen. I still have no idea why Bayonetta stands like that. It hardly looks comfortable.
The game still looks good, but after playing the demo of Bayonetta 2, it's noticeably worse. That's expected as Bayonetta 1 is a five year old game though I'm not sure if I was giving Bayonetta 1 too much credit or giving Bayonetta 2 too little.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on November 10, 2014, 12:00:31 AM
I looked up some of the unlocks. The one I want requires Platinum Medals on all chapters in Normal mode. Yeah... I don't think that's going to happen.
Jeanne? The tradeoff is not that great. Though i've yet to put any significant time with this character.
Also Platinuming Normal is pretty easy. It just takes some time.
Do research and look up where all secret verses and alfheims are. Then make sure to get a few (Pure) Platinum on easy verses (on long missions there are usually three-four of them that last about 20 seconds), then you can relax and get golds/silvers and it will average out to overall Platinum on the level.
Alfheims are good to farm Platinums, because if you die in there, deaths doesn't count. Usually when i get hit at all, i give up and let angels kill me to restart alfheim. Rinse and repeat until i reach pure platinum.
There is yet another trick with auto-save, but you don't need that just to get Platinum on all levels. Pure Platinum-ing on the other hand will require some intense abusing of auto-saves, though.
The gap in skill and time commitment between regular Platinums and Pure Platinums is huge. But it's still very doable: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSn-Eqw7GIMd1J) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEybZJ8bg)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSoHook6pUSTSy) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAABpVFs0OHA8oA)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSoHvUs_mH0uaY) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEyezCOdQ)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSoIJF0gxidUKP) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEyfO2qjA)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSoZSLIIbmvcH5) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEyoBkjLw)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSoaysseIQj0ft) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEypJkmhA)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSoa_pkm23Rml6) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAADtVCiknoFPqA)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSokOnUOgrAwP7) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAADtVCikoVwXhQ)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSokc4wWwvQwOM) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEyryEwDg)(https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSom0RonBF8syF) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEys6gh6Q)
I still have no idea why Bayonetta stands like that. It hardly looks comfortable.
It's supposed to look like old-timey fashion art with stylisized proportions: (http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/61/16/ea/6116eaa8146aa387538fab5046b90598.jpg) (https://images.laughingelephant.com/large/05038.jpg) Same with art deco-ish architecture and remixing songs from 1950s..
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: Adrock on November 10, 2014, 07:53:40 AM
Jeanne? The tradeoff is not that great. Though i've yet to put any significant time with this character.
Yeah. I just like the character. First things first, I want to finish each game once so I don't add to my ridiculous backlog. I'll worry about unlocks later though this is the one I'm most interested in.
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Also Platinuming Normal is pretty easy. It just takes some time.
Unfortunately, time is a luxury I don't always have. I get a lot of burn on video games playing on the go. When I don't have a choice but to sit at a laundromat, I can make some real progress.
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Do research and look up where all secret verses and alfheims are. Then make sure to get a few (Pure) Platinum on easy verses (on long missions there are usually three-four of them that last about 20 seconds), then you can relax and get golds/silvers and it will average out to overall Platinum on the level.
Easier said than done for someone of meager gaming skill. I tried the first Alfheim many, many times and I couldn't complete it in time. When I didn't totally screw up the timing on Witch Time, I'd get to the last set of enemies and just run out of time. I think I just need better items/equipment so I decided to forge ahead and hopefully, if I'm diligent, I'll go back to it. I definitely like the game enough. There are certain games I like knowing I completed specific tasks such as Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D. Some of those stages were so infuriating, but I wanted to conquer them.
Anyway, I just got to Chapter 2. The camera is kind of annoying in spots, but it isn't game breaking.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on November 11, 2014, 04:30:33 AM
Umbran Arts episode 2 is out. It's about Witch Time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ap4QxTZDQ
Unfortunately, it's not super informative. And it's not just in my eyes, obviously i know the basics after spending many a hundreds of hours with the game, but even then Saur simply doesn't have much material in there. He basically spends 7 minutes to say "press dodge button to dodge".
Despite playing the game almost religiously for two years, i STILL find new tricks and see new challenges to overcome. Like, just last week i learned that depending on if you hold or tap the punch button with the sword will decide if you will float in the air hitting the enemy or will lunge to the ground with the sword out.
Umbran Arts is just moving too slowly to get the "good stuff".
The advice to learn the timing for dodges by going into graveyard in Prologue and doing nothing but dodging is very useful but it's also very "well, DUH!".
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on November 21, 2014, 12:04:37 AM
I am done with Bayo 1 (33 hours on save file): (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSq5py8Hx6Rckt) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKEzy9hujw)
Haha, not even close!
I've yet to delve into harder difficulties, yet to beat an hour long Lost Chapter endurance level, yet to beat final final secret boss, yet to unlock like a dozen of hidden weapons and unlocks.
And that's just for one playable character. Add two more -- you can triple all that.
But most importantly -- i've simply yet to git gud at Bayonetta for real.
Pure Platinum-ing last boss was hard because of insane combo requirement. The part makes it hard is that most of the attacks Jubileus does are very disruptive and will almost always make you break your combo.
I had to do some rather advanced (for me) panther offsets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOVVmm4KOm4) to keep my combo up and reach enough combo points required.
Now that i "beat" the game on Wii U, i can compare it to original X360:
UI (UI is my proffesional specialty so i never miss out to ramble on it): Button prompts with grey colourless boring buttons feel very off after playing Bayonetta 1 on 360. Red/yellow/blue/green button prompts stood out instantly while still having the same Art Nouveau styling as the rest of the game. As busted as PS3 port was but even there UI was made fit into the game too.
On Wii U button prompts stick out like sore thumbs -- they are not reworked into game's overall aesthetic and are just copy pasted from the manual or something.
Also because modern Nintendo control layout (outside of New 3DS) has no coloured buttons game loses one of the means to communicate with you. Like in one of the annoying instant death QTEs you actually get a warning a full second in advance before QTE prompt even shows up in the form of a shrinking circle:
The colour of a circle is actually telling you which button exactly you need to hit.
Colouring scheme is not all lost -- both Bayo 1 and 2 uses Famicom coloured button layout on some screens (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128563370&postcount=1981) but this colour scheme is simply not present on actual physical buttons on your controller so that kinda falls flat.
During dreaded by some (not by me, as you see i've Pure Platinumed them rather easily) bike and missile sections you have a huge button prompt to press Y which shows you help screen showing how to control. This is actually kinda annoying because i kept pressing Y many times by mistake and it took me quite some time to exit this dialogue.
Also for some stupid reason they added motion control for these sections and they're also on by default.
Game shows the same picture on Gamepad as on TV, but it also shows rather ugly and not-fitting Miiverse icon in the corner at all times. I would be fine with it if only they reworked the icon to make it fit more into the style but they didn't...
It's not all bad though -- surprisingly touchscreen controls despite being worthless way to control the game have a very cool application in this port. During button mashing finishers you can mash both the button AND touchscreen prompt directly on gamepad, boosting your mashing considerably. Without it my maximum of mashing was 1100 points, with this trick i have seemingly hit the mashing ceiling of 1500 points.
This isn't just for kicks because these points go into your combo and have your current combo multiplier applied to them meaning that if you reach 9.9 multiplier by the end of a fight you get extra 15 000 points for free, basically.
Graphics comparisons: It feels on par with Xbox version. Can't really tell you juicy details about framerate -- i kinda stop noticing it after 30 fps. It feels fine, same as in 360. I am sensitive to slowdown though.
There were a few isolated instances where game slowed down considerably, it felt like i was suddenly submerged into honey and could barely move. It happened to me in Jubileus boss battle where game bombarded me with epic galactic scale effects and during boss battle with plant angel. It felt like in these two cases i had more severe slowdown than in Xbox 360 original.
Aside from all that there are some minor control differences between two version -- like the same combos now require somewhat different timings and somewhat different input buffering behavior, but it's not a big deal and i can adjust between them in literally seconds.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on December 26, 2014, 01:14:36 AM
I lost interest in playing 2 for some time and had to force myself a bit to even finish it. Mostly because i was busy Pure Platinum'ing first game and then i was playing other games in December.
So after finishing it -- yep, this isn't on the level or B1 or W101 PG games. Out of the games on Wii U: TW101>Bayo 1>Bayo 2.
It's still in higher league of Platinum games, but not quite close to the level of polish, variety and originality of W101 or the first Bayo game.
It's still an amazing game and runs circles around any other game i played this year in terms of satisfying combat, but it loses quite a lot in trying to casualize the first game. It was successful in that, seeing how critical reception was far more tolerable than to first game.
Default difficulty which masks behind "2nd Climax" name is actually "Easy". Health and invincibility items now don't influence ranks.
One of the most amazing feats of the first game is that the main gameplay progression was outside of the story. It was the story of YOU, the story of the PLAYER learning to play Bayonetta: first by beating the game on Normal/Easy, then going for Platinum rank, then going for higher difficulties and then when you finally master the game for real you start Non-Stop Infinite Climax where you grow out of Witch Time and don't even need it.
Bayo 2 has completely broken this progression it by making Witch Time mandatory. Not only this breaks your progression of mastering the game but this also turns ALL boss battles into epileptic sequences of going in and out of Witch Time each three seconds which completely breaks the flow of the combat.
The bosses itself. While Bayo 1 was (rightfully) criticized for having too many "hands and head" bosses, Bayo 2 has an even worse variety of bosses.
Even the story of 1, as much as dumb and incomprehensible as it was, is still somehow better than sequel's. The way this game turns itself into a prequel to the first game was cool though.
Final battle while still cool (i chuckled at cameo from Vanquish space station AKA Shirogane comet) was largely inferior to the orgasmic finales of B1 and W101..
The only good thing 2 has gorgeous graphics and online tag mode.
Oh and Umbran Climax which breaks the game even further with how overpowered and unbalanced it is.
After you beat the game once, you immediately unlock two more playable characters for campaign, compared to the first game where you had to get all Platinums on Normal to unlock additional playable character. Also thankfully this time you can switch into all unlockable characters within the same save file.
I played Prologue with Rosa -- she is COMPLETELY OP broken.
Ah well, it's still a great game. And probably a better introduction into character action genre.
Oh and i guess this starts my Pure Platinum run of 2: (https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSyq-psguCwSYw) (https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKE3YZd1XQ)
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on March 24, 2015, 11:07:42 AM
My B2 Pure Platinum got stuck on chapter 13 or so... One of the reasons why is because i started Pure Platinuming Hard from first game, Pured upto bike level already...
Also, yoshiesque started LP of Bayonetta 2:
Just like with the first game it's gonna be Pure as well. I wonder if she will do those crazy background research episodes like she did for the first game like the ones about ballet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcGZ6gRO840) or tortures (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwOYOQT12f4)...
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on August 31, 2015, 04:40:03 AM
As yoshe finishes her LP she gathered several action game players (speedrunners and contestants from v-style tournament (http://cuhrayzee.wikia.com/wiki//v/_Style_Tournament)) to discuss the game in a podcast like format:
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: TOPHATANT123 on December 06, 2015, 11:48:34 AM
Whoa I didn't realise how powerful Bat Within is, I left that upgrade till last since it sounded very situational, but it actually gives you a much larger margin for error on the dodges and just makes combat easier in general.
Title: Re: Bayonetta 2, now with twice as much Bayonetta
Post by: azeke on December 21, 2015, 12:26:54 AM
I left that upgrade till last since it sounded very situational, but it actually gives you a much larger margin for error on the dodges and just makes combat easier in general.
Descriptions on a lot of moves are pretty terrible. If i haven't watched videos, i would have never figured out that Umbran Climax is actually a teleport move.
Speaking of videos.
VST7 has concluded. V style tournament is contest between skilled action game players. This VST was remarkable with how many Bayonetta entries there were.
There was one really standout Bayonetta 1 entry, that i REALLY liked:
There were also entries with W101, Ninja Gaiden and of course DMC3/4 (no Viewtiful Joe or Vanquish this year tho).
